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Hey everyone, welcome to the withering effect. This is episode 16. Today's date is October 1st 2019 and I am Duds or does versus everywhere else on the internet and I'm bunk out up or bank for sure. And today we're going to talk about some mind going like SHINee. What up? What if you've been working on before we start heading to that topic Minecraft has been put on the back burner again. I've had some recent personal life stuff get in the way. Yeah.Um, well I came to the senses. I sat down last weekend and tried like literally tried recording episode and I could tell it was just going to turn out really bad. Yeah, and I don't ever want to put out bad quality stuff with how little I put out content as it is right now granted. I was putting out stuff once or twice a week. But it's like yeah one bad videos not it's not worth it. So until I can really get to urge to be super creative. It's kinda on the back burner. I promise to try to start streaming a little bit more though, just to kind of help get myself back into the swing of things people have been asking for that to come back. So Yeah. Yeah, it's been a while since you stream doesn't it like a month already? Yeah. Well it started out just because I had tons of stuff to do on Saturday mornings and I couldn't stay up late stream, even though my stream isn't were never like really late at night. It's yeah, it's the fact that I go to bed like 10 and I don't fall asleep to like for things so yet that's the personal life stuff and the Discord is convinced me to talk a little bit about Mystery project that may never see the light of day. Oh because I keep mentioning it and they're like, hey, yeah, you have been teaching a bit Yeah, and I don't mean to tease just I wanted people know I'm working on something that I don't know if I want to talk about but I'm going to talk about a little bit. So I've been having really vivid dreams because I only sleep for like three hours a night and I decided to turn that into a book. All six books. That's right. A mystery project comes in. That's the mystery project is going to take several years. Yeah, but it's like two stories based on three books. And now as of today I might be adding a third story in there. That's just a single book or a short story and I haven't written a single page of this book yet. It's just basically been note Pages or notes everywhere because I have to Build an entire new world and I don't want to mess it up. I mean, I've never written a book but I think starting off with notes that sounds like a common thing to do. Yeah, like I have character bios. I have a timeline I have here's one set piece and another set piece and another set piece and I just in kind of need to fill in we're all these set-pieces go, but I'm doing them over six books and the two are the stories that don't really intertwined. And together that have two intertwined together. It's yeah, it sounds really strange. It really does. I don't want to give plots away. Everything Bank knows apply and he seemed to kind of like it. I think yeah you explain that a little bit to me because obviously the first question I asked was like, how is this going to be so many books like How do you know and stuff? So you gonna explain that a little bit it? Yeah. There was a really good Logic for it. Like you can tell people that there's just no way of explaining it without just giving it away. Right-click the story. I mean, it's I told it was an incredible story almost the like it was it sounded amazing. Yeah, and if I can get the work, it's got to believe the words. It's got to be a believable world or it's not worth it. So basically I have to write the history of this world down so I don't mess myself up because writing is not my forte. I don't write ever I went to school for architecture. That was very A moon like mechanical writing so mostly members, I guess. Well, we had a write-up descriptions on how to do certain things and stuff. But yeah, it was like to the point that's it. And now I'm trying to do creative writing and it's like well, here's the point and here's all this color for description of the set point. It's like I can do it, but it's going to take me time and I stress over making it bad because I don't want to do anything bad and I don't want to do it. Anything half. Well, I want to use a different world word, but Carlos insurace, so Yeah, that's what I've been working on and there's the mystery project. I hope you guys get a little bit excited and understand I'm not going to spoil any of it any of it. So Probably don't ask ask you can ask how it's coming along and everything but plot details are hush-hush. Yeah, don't don't ask about it's really I don't think you want to know the plot and like I said, you left out a lot for me as well. Yeah. Yeah. I think I left that finding out for you. Yeah, you left quite a big big part of the ending out you sort of explained sort of debate first parts and Yeah, I don't really want to know more as well because it sounds amazing. Yeah, I hope it turns out or it's gonna turn out to be just a pile of diorite. I mean, even if it turns into a pile of cheese, I want to use words diarrhea. Yeah, we'll go with that one and surely it's gonna be a fun experience right and a nice. Yeah for a while. I hope so. Yeah, I hope to get like at least one written and so I have a buddy who's written a book and he said the hardest part was getting The publisher and he actually couldn't ever get a publisher. He had to publish his on his own right and that cost a decent amount of money. So I would hope my first ones good enough where I could get a publisher and maybe they would pay for the rest of the books to get done too. But I'd say let's I would worry about just writing the book at first and then once you get close to finishing something maybe start leaking in. Well, that's it. Worse comes to worse. If I can't get a publisher. I'm not spending any of my own money to get it out there. I'm really just going to post it on the internet. Yeah, it may be there is like sort of I know we have a like the Dutch Amazon sort of thing. They have a book publishing thing going on like you can publish your book there for free and I think you can earn some money. It just selling it as an e-book. Heck. Yeah Amazon. Hit me up on my something. Yeah. But yeah, so that's it. That's what I've been working on. That swag. Minecraft has took a backseat because all my creative know how is trying to go into this very hard idea. I have that could turn out to be really cool. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can completely understand that. Yeah, but how are you? How's your week been horrible? Basically, my my upstairs neighbor has just been well pursue us to stomping on the floor all day on a dark horse when she wasn't at home like the dog was on the balcony barking outside. Which yeah, I don't wait. It wasn't noisy all week. I did do a speed run though. I did play a little bit of games and I managed to get it down to one under one and a half hours, which is three go awesome. I mean, yeah, I'm surprised how many city do it. I think that's kinda I mean I put you back up on the list a little bit higher doesn't it? Yeah was actually kicked out of the top 100 and I'm back in. I think I'm 97 again. Awesome. Yeah, pretty cool. But that was about it for miweek. It's like I just wasn't in the mood to do much. Yeah. I know that feeling too. Hmm. I had to have that feeling all through the day where I just don't want to do anything and I'm like, okay, let's go to bed at ten o'clock and then it's like I have so much stuff to do like I can't sleep. Right? Well all the time. I also had like, oh I could watch a movie or something and then I was and then I finally like it take takes an hour to find a movie you want to watch? Yes. Then and then I was like I start the movie and I just couldn't get my attention to it's like no, I remember one of this and then I turn it off after like five minutes and then you stare at your screen again for like eight hours. So Saturday night, I went well Saturday I went and I played football and pulled a muscle and much pain but I warn myself out I got tired. I went yes. I'm going to get good sleep tonight. And then yeah, I know that therapist. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, well at 1:30 in the morning I decided to start a movie. And I remember 10 minutes and going what the heck did I just do in the movie ended like after three o'clock in the morning and I was just like I am so stupid. Oh well, I mean Also, if you guys here little Tippy TAPS in the background, I am watching my parents dogs. So instead of just Susie there are three different dogs here now and they tend to be restless. So I apologize up front. There's pictures in the disk or of those jokes. Yeah pictures in the Discord. You guys should join her Discord know what let's just go ahead and do the disk or dad right now. I was just going to do an extra one. But sure we can do it. Now. What do the Discord and now we have a Discord. It's a great place to hang with fellow withering effect members and ask people who work on the episodes questions. We should probably put a comma in there somewhere. I ran out of breath reading that it's a I mean you could imagine one that's true too. It's the best way to get in contact with us and we always love to hear from you guys. Honestly our Discord little family is growing and as yeah really cool, there's been Been chatter just about every day. So that's awesome. Yeah, really like negativity that somewhere on the some cool conversations as well. Uh-huh. Yeah, not just Minecraft wise know it's it's a it's an actual just discard Community kind of thing. Uh-huh. Everyone's very welcoming. Shall we move on to actual Minecraft? OK, let's talk Minecraft once were timid and we haven't been talking about Minecraft. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. All right. We'll start a 15 years, I guess. Yeah, let's go for and it was a new snapshot. And as I read it I completely didn't check before the show. So I got a quick check. What was in the new snapshot? I definitely rendering engine stuff the yeah. What are they calling it Blaze 3D something like that. What what what's the tri-di biome thingy or is this something else kind of so they've got a new rendering engine that is Going to help make Minecraft perform easier on your PC, right? And that's what the 115 is all about. That's why I won 15 such a small update the whole another update which we'll talk about later is a 1/16 update 115 is all about bees bugs and getting this rendering engine and okay and I want to say that snapshot that have a lot of bugs such as like nether portals. Going above just about anything else. So when you look at another portal, the little glowy part of the portal is sticking out and doesn't really look correctly or when it rains the rains behind everything else. So it looks funny same thing with water. So it's going to need some tweaking it needs some tweaking. Okay, like everything Minecraft in the meantime. I quickly looked at the snapshot. Dentist been the some small nice little changes, I guess. Hmm. Let's see. I ruined our state they now must me by my mind with a pickaxe else. They won't drop us an item make sense to me. Yeah. I mean it's a small change doesn't affect that much. Nah melon stem some pumpkin stems attached em Snowdrop their seats again when broken cool and this one I actually Anna like real snow places facing the player rather than always North's out. Yeah, he places the way you face it. I like that. I love that. That's awesome. I don't know what this means lightning lightning lighting of blocks in the Infantry has been swapped from being dark on the right to being dark on the left. I mean, I know what it means but it doesn't make sense to me. So exhume of oil went over this in one of his snap. Shot videos, but I'm very creative mode and you have all the blocks sitting there and you look at it. You can kind of see the direction of the light flip-flop depending on like the block and stuff. I'd never noticed that it well. We'll talk to Carl see if you can't get a link to exhume his video and there because he goes over pretty well. I'm sure we can better than well as some changes to Texas. I'm not gonna go through them. That seems small stuff. Yeah. Let's talk about the biome vote because yeah, we didn't get to really talk about the last biome before the last podcast went out. And that's the one that one did you actually vote? I did not actually okay me neither. Like I said Saturday, I was out playing football. I was not home all day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I wasn't I wasn't my parents. So I wasn't at home either. I didn't get the chance to watch the whole thing either so I would have voted for mountain. It's senior to you one, but then again the ones I voted for on every other vote have never actually won. So maybe it's a good thing. I don't vote. Yeah, maybe you should stop voting. Yeah, so Mountain we guessed correctly. There's goats there mountain goats. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks purple: we upload that the soudan and the day after we recorded that episode and then the day after it was it was announced that I was like, wow, that's It's it's awesome. I don't expect that. We did we also mentioned Mountain generation. Mmm that's going to be in there. It's like ya know what more gangs doing before they do it or they're finally starting to do the cool stuff. Well, and then we also called that 115 wasn't going to be a big update and that they were saving everything for 116. Which also kind of seems true. I'm telling you guys. We need to be more popular to get your Minecraft news here because we're guessing on all cylinders, right? Maybe you're going to get your red dragon Red Dragons one per episode. Yeah. I wanted to help you out this stuff. That's like my little trademark thing instead of just Red Dragons TM. It's Red Dragons one per episode. Yeah mountains super excited about that. I was upset that mountains didn't have a new tree and then we had the Weather update so now I'm not worried about that anymore. Yeah. Yeah 1.16 another update that that got me excited a lot when I so the way I cause I didn't watch the whole mind going string thingy. Right? I should have read like that that the top line on the video or I went to that page for something and I was like, oh never date so I didn't I was kind of weary but I got really excited by what I saw. Yeah, that looks amazing. Yeah, but I guess we'll go over that a bit more in Diaz with a blanket that's like our main topic today. So yeah go we'll come back to it. Well, I will talk a bit more about that later. Yeah, and another thing that kind of got me excited. What's that? They're going to use illusion hours. You're gonna add them to rates apparently in the future. I don't know when we'll see. I know they originally were supposed to be enraged but then they said that made the raids too hard. So they took have me our maybe they wanna make it a bit more difficult. Maybe they're gonna only that them and in hard mode or something. Huh, it'll be very interesting to see and I kind of welcome it. I have not done a raid yet just because that's not my cup of tea so I don't bother but I want to see the illusion are in the game. Anyways, I think it's a very cool mob. So Heather cool mechanic. It had a nice Echo stay at the invisible guys, right then the last one real one and then yeah and then like duplicate to like four or five of them or something like that. Yeah. It is cool mom. Yeah. I thought it was cool. Also in news, that's awesome. We're gonna get a real Minecon again. Something called the Minecon Festival boo boo know I like that they do it, but they should have done in Europe. Yeah, so it's going to be in Orlando Florida, which means I have the option to finally go visit one of these so I'm thinking next year for Minecon. I might go visit if anyone wants to meet up just Am I mean I woot but I doubt I get the chance to its survival and I met you go to Disney World. I really don't care. You can go to Universal Studios. I'm not much of a theme park right guy, and I gotcha. I love theme parks. I usually like to hang out right or isn't that many people and there's more like nature stuff. That's true. You're not going to get that early on the floor. Well, don't you have like some what is it Big Swamp kind of famous thing and that's the Florida or something. Yeah, that's the Everglades and you got to go past like Fort Lauderdale. I think to really get to them. It's far away from Orlando. I guess I think that's like another four hour drive. Oh, no, that's all right, but it's Florida. So there's people everywhere. It doesn't matter where you go in Florida. There's people I mean, I don't mind people but you know crowd it. I don't like crowds. Yeah for people who don't I was born and raised in Tampa, Florida. So I know firsthand we keep going home to visit family and it gets more crowded and more crowded and I'm just like, oh my God, there's too many people. Yeah. Try driving over the Sunshine Skyway and it takes like three hours because traffic For what distance it's if there was no traffic. It's like a 15-minute Drive boy. Really? What peeps man even too many people imagine that geez. Yeah. So Minecon, I'm probably going to go use it as an excuse to go see some family because I don't think I've been home in like three years. You just want to gape Yeah, and I want to keep who doesn't want a cape. Well, I don't know. I don't know if I'd actually go into Minecon because I don't know how expensive it is. And if I'm in Orlando, I'm going to like Universal Studios, not Disney World cause I can't afford Disney World, but I'm going to be pricey. I can see how you wouldn't go it. I mean, it seems like fun to visit once but yeah, well Universal I want to say is like 90 US dollars, so it's not horrible dang. But yeah, when compared to like Disney World, I won't say it. 200 what she's all right. Yeah, if I'm going to Disney World it I'm get one them package deals for multiple days and I'm having friends join in and get that discount. Plus I got my granny and I like hey Granny, I need your resident discount because you live in Florida so I can get some tickets to Disney World. No, no. Okay. Yeah. Well if that's got into it gets better. Yeah, and what's that's and she's she senior citizen to so the senior citizen discount on top of the resident discount. You guys don't tell Disney when I'm doing I mean you're talking about it in a both cost. Yeah. I know I'm screwed. It's a Minecraft both girls kissing. Thank you that yeah, we're getting way off topic again, but I love it. I love ranting and raving on you guys. Are they getting your you're like weekly session of mental stability. I need a podcast does just 30 minutes of crap. Dad says, I mean if they could be included in the what we have talks about doing like yeah. The random sort of chitchat as a separate thing. Yeah, and we need to bring that up with you guys again because we're actually hitting the viewer counts that we were guarding talk about it. So you guys have been awesome and we've been thinking about bringing a secondary podcast this podcast would obviously stay exactly the same will talk about Minecraft will get off topic every once in a while, but then we'll have a secondary podcast where it we're not aiming for the hour time limit like we do here where we just talked about. Any random thing it could be movies that came out that week or maybe there was a new game. That's not Minecraft who both want to play or something like that random space. Basically, we kind of hang out with a microphone and able and we basically yeah, so let us know if you guys want that. I think that could be really fun. Yeah. I think that could be interesting but let's get back on topic of Mine Craft and Minecon do another disk. Correct. Like I think they've got their Discord pug puppies Community Discord. Yep. Alright, so let's get to the to the main to the real deal. Yes. Yes Minecraft 115 and Minecon 2019 you go ahead because you wrote most of the the topic for today's discussion down. So I'll let you lead and I'm just going to kind of fill in some blanks. I wrote a bunch of thing sound. It was mostly thinks that I was like, well, I like this or I don't like this. Yes, I got to say there wasn't much I didn't like the first thing that stood out obviously in the first thing I was curious for was which but which buyer one Wait, obviously, it's the mountains and I'm really excited for that because it was my favorite in the main reason why it was my favorite was because I had the idea they were aiming towards having sort of generation in improvements which turned out to be true. And even though it's just in one biome. I think that'll be a step towards working to a bigger generation rework. Yeah. I Yeah, I agree. Yeah 100% but then I saw this post on Reddit that said the mountain biome wasn't coming to Minecraft to 117. Wow. Really? Yeah. I have a I don't know who posted it but I have the picture and I'll post it to our Discord. So Carl knows put it in the show notes, but they did like a breakdown of what's coming in 115 116 and then they have the mountains biome in 117. Oh, I didn't actually pay attention to when it You released I didn't I don't remember hearing assuming would be released and 1.15 but that was a that's what I thought and this could be totally wrong so take it with a grain of salt I'm just going to post hey I saw this you guys tell me if it's right or wrong or not but yeah if it's 117 it's like why did we have the vote then unless they're really planning on 115 and 116 coming out relatively quickly I mean, yeah gold. Sorry, they Said 115 by the end of this year, which probably means May of next year with the way it's been and then 116 was going to come out before summer of next year, but that probably means Christmas of next year. I mean one 116 is pretty much the size of flight 113 and 114. Yeah. I'm good. I'm gonna say it's gonna take a bit longer than half a year, but he knows yeah, I mean think about what they did on Team creating all those new biomes in the ocean now, they're doing that in the nether. Yeah. I feel it's about the same among the stuff. They're adding hmm. I agree that critic might be more difficult to set a lot of like mops going on all the fishes and dolphins well as true, and then you mix water in there. That's always write some coding physics challenge. So I think the the nether will probably be easier. I mean, I don't know that this is Way Beyond what I know about About coding I mean that's yeah, that's a big game they have but yeah, I got I got really excited by the mountains. And then what else did I wrote down? I should have read through my note before the episode big coming so prepared today guys. Well, I got really prepared because I prepared over the weekend. Yeah, and then I should have read through it now. It's all right, though. Well, you said you had all your notes done this weekend. I almost contemplated be like Let's just record it over the weekend real quick, but then I had stuff come up and I didn't have time. Yeah, I figured I'll just get it done. I don't know why but I'll get back to what this is actually from 1.15. So I thought the mountains was from 1.15, but I guess it's not that we got a honey blocks, which had I told her kind of fun. Yeah. I did not see a lot about the honey blocks from what I'm hearing. Is there like slime blocks, but they stick to everything. Thing and can get it. Did you like better tease something? Yeah, if you walk on them, then you can't you can only jump like half a block. Hi. Hmm. It's well, I don't know I kind of like that. It seems completely useless but I like the feature or someone tell me like if you put an armor stand on top of a honey block and you move the honey block around the armored Saint moves with the honey block because it sticks to it. There will be awesome. Yeah, that could be kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, I think the only block could have a good potential of changing Redstone. Yeah, my first like what I find it. Yeah. My first thought was does it act like Soul Sand in were so sad in a hopper underneath it will obviously pull an item through it. It's like one of the only full blocks that can pull an item all the way through without it being a copper mine cart. All right, I didn't I didn't know but I think the way you like you brought up salsa, and then I guess it's a good A way of saying like this is kind of the Soul sound of this line. Yeah, like who knows? It might have a lot of similarities? Yeah, do you sink down in it? Like you do sauce and we know you stick to it, which is something different than slime blocks. Slime slime blocks you balance. How do you block cheese stick? Yeah. Yeah, I like that. They added sort of a new kind of thing sticking to something. That's new if I fly into it within a light trap. Well, it'd be like I get stuck in a spider web. Well, I just slowly slide down the block. Well, yeah, I saw you could slide down the side of the block sort of like a stair. See I did not know this. I wonder if you can climb up in them as well. I don't know but I think they're really interesting. They have a lot of potential I think. Yeah, I agree. I think it's going to be really cool to play with it. And I think it's going to change some Redstone somewhere. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's Jonathan everything that gets added changes Redstone somewhere. Well, just because it's sort of what stickier than slime or something. So I think the work fun with pistons. I wonder what people are gonna do with that. Yeah, my big thing about the mountain biome vote. I know we keep saying it's 115 even though it might not be but snow or snow. What does that mean? I don't know. I wish I knew. I'm gonna guess they're just going to add different kinds of snow. I guess I was thinking it's going to be like the ice how you have ice pack ties to the blue ice. Could we get snow stairs? Maybe be able to build like snowy Peak loose purple runs. I don't know snow Fortress Is how do you call them? Yeah, maybe no no snow stairs. Why not? What the heck is snowy or snow? Maybe maybe it's more like real snow. Like you can sink into it a little bit Yeah. Well, I kind of hope it's like non spawnable blocks. Can we beat files on when it's actually snowing like now know when it's know she just got one layer but if there was already a layer of gets another layer, that would be awesome. Hello should leave it running for really long. You would just get really tall. You just gonna drink fill to build living or maybe it layers snow layers until you get to that one layer before it becomes a full block and doesn't go any higher than that. Oh, yeah, that could be I'm sure they'll figure something out. If that's the case, yeah, who knows? I'm glad mountains one. I don't think swamp is going to add anything crazy frogs were okay, but basically it's a rabbit in a swamp. I like the boat just thingies as well. I wasn't too excited about the trees because well mainly because I didn't expect them to actually I don't know I thought they would maybe be disappointing. Yeah. I mean I pretty much expected the trees. To just be bigger oak trees. Yeah using the same texture and everything. But I don't really know who know me really they say they'll eventually launched them. So we'll eventually know. Yeah, I'm still waiting on the ones from last biome vote, but you sure and that's been a while back already that biome vote. I know right? Couldn't we have got those in 115 at least? Just add them. I mean we should we've said this so many times already. I mean just don't even make an update for it. Just add them dead. Don't show me what I can't have. Okay? No, so don't want to move it about the REM do we? Oh, yeah, we can move on as well. I was curious what you told about the ram. That's how it's cool. Right? I'm a mountain goat. I can't remember. Yeah. I don't know. Eight at the mob. I have a feeling you'll be able to get wool from it, but it won't be as much as sheep. That would make sense. Yeah getting some wool from it. Yeah, I want to say it's going to be kind of aggressive more than not gressive. Maybe something like llamas. Yeah, if you attack them they're going to be annoying exactly. That's what I was thinking like it does like a half a heart of damage, but it's going to keep bugging you in with its head. Yeah. I know. I am America's mountain goats have horns, right? Yeah, there could be a potential to add like maybe an item to the game - true some crafting. I mean, yeah make a trumpet out of it when I know goats like the climb thing. So they just going to constantly try to get to the highest point. I'm sure they'll be bouncy. Yes, the gonna jump all over the place. I don't know. I got the feeling. I kind of agree with that will be cool. If you could write them and then right over mountains better or something. Yes, maybe they help you get through snow or snow. Maybe we're going to get sleds. Ooh, that will be cool. Mmm. Whatever be awesome. Yeah starting to sink in now, isn't it? Yeah, it took a few seconds, but thing that's a good idea. Yep. Okay, so we're going to end on a good idea there. Let's go to 116. Yeah, cause that's that's the big thing right? That's the big thing. Wow. Yes beep. Yeah, it actually says that in the notes I gotta yeah, dude. It's actually in the notes. So yeah Carl. Well, I mean, we're through start then that are they yeah, they I mean I feel they did a lot. They gonna add bio student other which I think is awesome. Yes. I kind of like being in another already. I'd like to and I thought it was a really scary place and I'm really comfortable in it. But that opens a new new sort of perspective on it and I love to explore that new nether. Yeah the to me the nether now feels like a place. I want to go travel through. Yeah, this is not gonna be the same all red. It's going to have variety and colors and stuff. Yeah, whereas before you kind of enclose your tunnel or you build it really high. So it's it's whatever you want now, it's like well, it'd be kind of cool to have Windows and look out into The Nether and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, especially the the forests they looked really well really cool colorful. Yeah. I'm excited for blue fire. Oh, yeah same here, and I'm sure. I mean it's kind of work when you light source and so I guess that's just going to work in the Overworld as well. Yeah, I think I remember them saying it's going to work. No, as long as it's on Soul Sand it's going to be that's going to make so much cool like magical places. Hmm, which had some stuff. Yeah. I saw some new glow stone as well. I think I saw that too. I didn't know if it's glowstone, but it sort of looked like it. I want to call it new glowstone to it kind of looked like an orange that was sliced and put on a black but right I can't remember if it's low. I mean, I guess I can tell it was in the nether. Yeah, everything is maybe some new kind of order that could be I guess, huh? I mean with all these changes that I can't really I don't I think I saw something about new or type they can I don't think I did either. Okay, I mean maybe that's going to be it. I want to lean more towards its kind of a new glow stone. Yeah, that was my impression as well. Well, maybe it's like a new fruit or plant or something. Oh something edible. Yeah, because Italy because they mentioned food in the nether was a thing now and if you saw from the video there are tons of new mushrooms. So I had missed that I didn't seen you mushrooms. I mean I could see at least five or six new kinds of mushrooms in one picture and I went to Cali they're like blue and orange red. Why create new to new mop stay at goes. Yeah. Well, they're gonna add new mopes, but they drop meet the Beast. Yes, but can I honey on it? I mean, let's hope your find you'll eventually get your honey on meat but I didn't read anything or see anything about it. Yeah, I haven't seen that either. I wish I could say. Yes. I just want to put honey on my meat. I told those new Mobs were really cool though that bilgin stare cold. Yeah, they look like actual never pigs. Hmm. I think it's a shame there yet another humanoid. Yeah, but I really like the way they look they look like War Hogs. Yeah, and they gonna add some new kind of trading systems, you know, you know what they look like. They look like a pink version of that guy and Star Wars Return of the Jedi that like guarding Jabba the Hutt who gets thrown into the Starlit or not. This are like spit but the guy what do they call the guy? I don't know Star Wars nerds. You know what I'm talking about. It looks just like him. I I know Star Wars but I don't know that seemed well enough to know the guy next to each other. All right prepared guys, we're gonna we're gonna do some ranting. So in Return of the Jedi Luke's at Jabba the Hutt's palace right? He's trying to convince Java to let Han Solo go and everything, right? Yeah, and then he gets strong down in a bit. Right? Well, he gets thrown down in the pit with a Anything there's another guy in there. I guess it's time for me to re-watch the movie yet. All right, guys your homework. Go watch your turn the Jedi tell me what the heck that thing is and why do our penguins look like it? I mean, I'm sure there are some well, I don't know if they listen to our both girls, but I'm sure there's some people in the world who told his language. Yes. Okay Star Wars rant over back to why I can't put honey on my meat. Oh, well that looks why I guess we should ask me. Minecraft yeah. Yeah. Why can't we do that? I want that honey. Such a cool thing. You should be able to add it to food sources. Did they like even say anything about adding a function of it? Or I don't think so. I'm not seen anything like that. Well great. I guess we'll just have to I mean, it sounds like it's gonna be a kind of disappointing food source, but hopefully they change that. Yeah. Also you can set your spawn point in the Now, yeah, when's that gonna be a descendant 1.15 or so the 16? I don't know I heard about that as well. But I didn't I wouldn't want to say 115 because I mentioned that you'll no longer have to sleep through the night to set your spawn point. You'll just have to click on your bed. Oh, right. Yeah, so I would hope that would transfer into another but you still have that whole click on a bed in the Nether and you set off a nuclear warhead. Hmm. I mean it would make Sense, if they added when they update the not are as well. That's true. Well, we'll just have to wait and find out I guess I'll go get the corrected in the discard go. So let's get back to well. We're kind of store that 1.16. What else do we get? We get new trees. Yes, we get never trees. I saw blue ones and red ones. I hope we get new wood with that. I mean I can't imagine it would be like oak wood. No, well, they had like these veins and all right. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I'm just assuming we're going to get new a new week type because yeah, well guys to be so here's what gets me so they have these like a red and blue veins in his new Woods. Yeah that going to be like tree sap or we going to be able to get the tree sap out of those woods. Maybe you know, it sort of looked like glowy vines that grow on it. That's something that that could be it too. Oh, thanks guys doggies. Yeah, that one's knees. Yes one sneaky. Well bless you. Yeah don't know which one but yeah, so they could be Vines. I thought they look like veins but I don't know. I watched it two or three times trying to figure this out. But there's definitely New Leaf blocks. Yeah that to do it the way I kind of saw the veins. They just looked like they were part of the bark didn't really expect them to be separate. Yeah. Yeah new leaves that that's going to be interesting. Yeah, and they're different colors. They're not green. We have red and blue leaves finally. Well, I was just starting to think like how would they react and over worlds? Oh true. I wonder if they die in the Overworld and you have like gray kind of like how if you take Coral out of the water? It turns gray or like regular leaves to change their colors a little bit depending on which bio on there that her to maybe they have the same subtle kind of change like they just get a bit the Lord but still be right. Blue but what if it's suggestion it what if it's just one tree type and depending on where in the nether that tree grows it changes from Blue to red or red to blue. Oh, yeah, cuz where I saw the triste were sort of entire that coal or biomass, I think yeah, if you look down they have like no other grass now and that's colored red and blue too. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't even read something about that. I don't know if it's going to be cold and that are gross or something else or yeah. I don't know what nobody thinks that nothing gonna add. Yeah, we they going to add some new kind of trading as well. I don't know if you looked into that. We've heard about that against so I heard I was going to work which basically is you throw a gold bar at them and then they they can throw something back, right? Which I thought was kind of cool. Yeah and tune it all depends on what they throw back at you obviously, there's going to be a loot table with percentages of what they throw back at you if they're just throwing like a gold sword at you and it sounded like it's not going to be an effective trading. We like regular villagers, right but it does sound like day the way they're going to update another a said it's a sir. - both spoke like you could just go instantly into the another soon as she's falling in the world and survive. Yeah, and I'm sure that's going to be like some hardcore players world like that. It's like day one in the nether don't come back out. Yeah, probably I mean with the new not on that that's actually like you would stay sane. Yeah talking about the trading system when I heard about out it to me it kind of sound like this was a trading system. They were going to use for 114 and they realized that players were really attached to more of the older way. So they just kind of made a better older way and then took this trading system and put it with the pig limb guys. If that think I follow yeah, I didn't even think about that. Maybe yeah, because the thing about you can hold an item up at a villager and he'll tell you what he trades or what he would trade for that now anyways, mmm, so they just basically took that concept and said hey, I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to give you, but I'm going to give you it. Yeah, I mean gonna make sense. It could be a stretch but I'm going to keep stretching because we have guessed right so much on this Minecon announcement that who knows we've got to be right at some point. Right if we just keep saying stuff. Yeah, I do. It'll become true. Maybe somebody is listening. Yes. If you are listening tell us please. Oh, we shouldn't forget another cool thing about the pilgrim is that they are going to attack other mobs. Yeah, that looks sort of effect. So once I am worried though, like if they had take a Zombie Pigman instead like a skeleton and taking a zombie pigmen and you're screwed when you're around or I'm gonna be safe when they do that. I don't know but I also looked at like, okay, so you have gold Farms right? Well if they go around just killing Pigman now you have no gold Farm. Unless they drop gold too. But now I've now what if they're taking out wither skeletons before you can take out with their skeletons. Yeah, what if they take out the piglet Beast that you use to get food before you could take it out? Like it's are they just going to Rampage the nether to the point where there's nothing but them in there at the time. How is that going to work? Well, I'm sure I mean they're going to have some spawn requirements. If they're going to spawn like another big like the pig now we got now that that actually could be an issue. Yeah, but just because you mentioned that I guess they're gonna spawn in certain areas maybe to get a their own biome. Maybe it's going to be like Villages. They just have a yeah or a little Adria Pillager Outpost I should say. Yeah. I think that that last one is probably that seems likely like they're gonna have some kind of outposts. Village kind of deal yet me when make the most sense. I just like how if you go digging through their chest they get all angry at you and stuff. Yeah, and they don't attack you or something when you wear gold like your sweater invisible if you wear golden armor instead like they are really after gold always or something. Yeah. I'm not sure exactly how that works because I don't think their whole stole to watch you anyway, and I should provoke them. It would give golden armor a purpose because let's face it right now. It really doesn't have one. Yeah, but then again, it's not really a big enough purpose for me to say. Oh I need gold armor. Well, so I mean it's smokes, right? So yeah slap him in the face with my sword exactly. I have so many little clips of me saying stuff that if out of context would be extremely bad. So please don't take my words out of come on. X well, maybe somebody's going to make a song out of that. Please don't. Okay, I'm still in one of yours because I've been wanting to talk about it the target block. Oh, I completely forgot about that one. Yeah, I think it's kind of exciting and kind of kissing here. I hope it's able to be moved with a piston. Well, I saw the target block and I was like, oh that's cool mechanics. And then and then I kind of jump to another thought I was like, I want to see what Alton he's gonna do if this yes, that was my first thought was I want to see what Omni can do its Target block. I kind of stopped thinking because I can't make as good as a game with that. Anyway, so just let all the do his magic on those and I want to see what happens with that. Yeah. I still went back to I think buttons are the best Bullseye. I thought the target block was really cool in the fact that it could tell where your arrow was in the block, right? Yeah, but buttons are so small that they're kind of a you either hit it or you didn't there's no question about it. I mean, I wonder how accurate the target books are going to be. Yeah, you can definitely make some cool. I don't know I guess doorways by having to exactly hit the bullseye and then only something will open left or far away. Or missing the bullseye purposely on a certain section. That's even more difficult maybe trying to yeah, Mike some halfway amount of Point. Uh-huh. I think that's it. I think we covered everything. We wanted to cover 116. Do you know of anything else? I mean, we're probably forgetting something but I didn't write anything more down o sauce and valleys. Oh, yeah, Didn't They also add different kinds of salts? And I don't know if they a different kind of sauce and now you saw like stalagtites or whatever. They're called in caves in these valleys. So I don't know if that's going to be like a new stone block or if they're just using it to me. It looked like andesite. But I don't know. I mean, I hope it's not gonna be on the side but they had some kind of new new nether stone look or whatever. Yeah, I mean I get the feeling we're gonna get a lot of new blocks in that update. Anyway, I do too. Well. We have to we've seen so many new blocks exactly. So so we know at least like for example, they cross you mentioned. I didn't even think about it. But that's an obvious one. We saw it. It's got to be added even though nobody said anything about it. He said think so. Yeah, did you get the trees and the leaves? Yeah, and then the mushrooms you mentioned as well mushrooms. I think I saw different kinds of Soul sound. Like different textures met don't know it's a rotatable texture. Yeah, we'll have to go back and look at that that may be one of the textures they're tweaking because you had made mention the snapshot some textures got some towed it could be and maybe it's just a new texture. I mean, we'll find out soon enough. Yeah, if you guys know more definitely let us know tell us what your favorite part of 116 is going to be where you going to 115 or 117 because mountains I mean, I'm sure we'll get back through the Thule pack anyway. Yeah, and in future episodes probably pretty quick because it seems like this is this is exciting stuff. Yeah, and we purposely skipped Dungeons and Minecraft Earth that's going to be in the news part for the next podcast. We figured there's so much to cover with just one 16 exactly. Well, we're already at nearly what is it like over 50 minutes at the moment. So yeah adding those two topics that we didn't win an affair. We're taking way longer we'd have Part 1 part 2 again. And yeah, we're just save it for next week. So if you guys don't get too mad about that, I think that's the first time we actually thought we were gonna talk about next week. I think so too - we'll have to put those in the show notes immediately. So we don't forget next week. It's a good point else. Who would forget it. Yeah. All right, but you are ahead and lead us out. I'll take us out if you like the show share it with all your friends and on social. Via leave us a rating and a review that really helps us out to reach more listeners. If you would like to get into contact with the show send an email to podcast at ripple effect SMP.com or tweet us or the best thing join of this court and have a chat with us. It's a great way to get in go in touch with her son. And the rest of the community as well links will be in the show notes as usual. 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In this honey-packed episode, DuDs and Bank discuss the announcements from Minecon Live 2019 including what they are looking forward to in bees and bugs (1.15), the nether update (1.16) and even looking as far as 1.17. Also, the Illusioner is coming to raids and there's going to be a real Minecon again and it has a new name, Minecraft Festival. Minecon roundup blog post: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/everything-we-announced-minecon-live-2019 Xisumavoid snapshot video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5OEzQQfcOg Minecraft updates breakdown image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KeV_FeJTrb10D-HaTL-t5hQaMjELTs0K/view?usp=sharing Podcast Website: http://rippleeffectsmp.com/podcast Contact the show: [email protected] The Withering Effect Discord: https://discord.gg/gqnKyeZ The Ripple Effect Twitter: https://twitter.com/rippleeffectsmp Hosts: DuDs YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Twitter: https://twitter.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Mixer: https://mixer.com/DuDs_vs Banks YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyg7sNFi_qMG2pRtTM4046w Banks Twitter: https://twitter.com/AardappelBank Banks Mixer: https://mixer.com/BankAardappel Digital Producer:  CarlRyds YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/carlryds CarlRyds Twitter: https://twitter.com/carlryds Music: DiiKoj YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/DiiKoj DiiKoj Twitter: https://twitter.com/DiiKoj Podcast hosted by: Anchor.fm

You're listening to the Cannabis investing Network before we begin a short disclaimer the full disclaimer follows at the end of this episode. This podcast is a general communication and is being provided for entertainment and information purposes only. It is educational in nature and is not designed to be a recommendation for any specific investment strategy plan feature or other purpose. Please enjoy responsibly.Hello and welcome back to the Cannabis investing Network and welcome everybody to 2020. My name is Manish and I'm here with the one and only the men of the new year a be. How you doing a be new year new money. All right. Magic Manish. How are you? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. Well since we've been in the studio, it's been quite some time. It's been probably three weeks now two weeks three weeks something like that. Yeah. Happy New Year. Yeah you as well and I'm excited to be able to do this episode because it's been a while since we've been able to sit down and a lot has been happening in the interim. And I think also 2020 is going to be a very interesting year for the Cannabis industry in cannabis investors. So let's just get into it because we've got a lot to cover here. So the theme of this market update today which by the way is Tuesday, January. Seventh the theme is really that 2020 is the year of the boom and the bust and what that means is that 2020 will really be a year that will have a lot of mixed things happening some good some bad and it will be a year of catalysts and results but also a year of headwinds and challenges and we're going to go through today just sort of some examples of what we're already seeing. And you know how that's looking going forward. So some things will cover our we just had on January 1st legalization in Illinois comparing that to what's happening in Canada and Ontario and then looking at the overall General market with regards to Capital deals as well as just what's happening in the rest of the market. So kick head so to kick it off on January 1st of this year. We had full recreational legalization in Illinois. So Illinois is really interesting because it's about the same size as Ontario. It's just a little bit smaller, but the rollout was extremely smooth. It happened by ballots are not by ballot but by legislation and it sort of came out of nowhere, so it happened mid last year sort of out of the blue and the first of January was the first day of Sales, and it was an we've been saying for a while a couple months. Now that we thought Illinois was going to be one of the best markets and it certainly looks that way so far. So the very first day of sales 3.3 million dollars u.s. Of cannabis was sold and that is that is a huge number that is massive huge number for the first day second day 2.2 million dollars of sales. We've got 5.5 in your first two days and then the report just came out now that the first five days 11 million dollars u.s. Was sold total. Holy and in Illinois, they've legalised all products. Yeah. So I chose this flower exactly exactly. So great point so that funny enough cannabis 2.0 products are hitting retail shelves supposedly this week in Ontario. So people were able to buy Vapes or 2.0 products in Illinois. Before they were able to in Ontario, you know only by a couple of days right? But that's pretty funny. When you consider that, you know, we've been legal for you know, one and change years and and they were just legalized on the first. Yeah. Yeah, so Also another another fun fact I have you might like is that people are paying in Illinois twenty dollars u.s. A gram. You're kidding me twenty dollars u.s. Are you out of your mind? That's about 20. Wow Canadian. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, and and I mean some of the box I grab some of these videos the lineups that they had on day one. Mind-boggling seriously mind-boggling one of the companies I've invested in which is a private company. They put out an email after the first day the first day they did for with to dispensaries. They did 450,000 dollars of sales u.s. In one day and I think they served 1,200 customers through to dispensaries and one day so I mean absolutely mind-boggling and by the way, they limited the amount people could buy. Why because they don't want to run out of product, right? So everybody was limited to buying like three grams maximum or something plus you could buy, you know an edible and The Vape card or whatever. It was. Yeah, and on top of that they have to pay in cash to the see these numbers. It depends actually so so states you have to pay cash for it depends what I've been to places before where you're able to pay with debit because you can be serviced by like a local credit union or something. Okay? Okay, and I've and there's other some of them like Planet 13th. Went to them they had a system that you could use your credit card somehow. So there's there's other I'm not sure about that one. Okay, but you're right cash is definitely a big one and I think a lot of people actually want to pay with cash because of the federal illegality. They're worried about sort of having a record of purchasing this product. So you're right there definitely is a lot of cash in the system and some bad news to you know today it was reported that one of the dispensaries was robbed and it's not the one that I'm talking about, but just different one I think which was in Chicago. Yeah, and I think there was actually some some violence Associated because there was some heavy security there. So so, you know, that's a problem that will probably continue until they figure out that solution to the cash problem. Yeah, but why this is is so interesting and is Illinois is going to be a huge market for cannabis. And I think that will we're going to do another episode on this but what makes a good Market, you know, what makes a great Market when you look at Illinois you've got Very permissive government. You've got a culture. I think which promotes the legal market and that, you know, the black market a lot of people are saying they don't they don't want to go to because of legal ramifications because a lot of drug dealers who Supply the product in the state's, they're not just doing cannabis. They're also doing harder drugs and that sketches people out. They don't want to go to those people. Okay, and that's what you what you realize about places like Canada in California the In the black market is so strong. It's so well-established right people have you know a friendly neighborhood person? They don't mind buying off of right right. In other states where you had the War on Drugs, which you know, I would for sure say is a bad thing. One of the effects that has is that when legalization happens people are willing to pay a premium to get the legal product, right? Which is good, which is good for investors, right? Yeah. Well, that's good for the overall economy. Yeah. Yeah for sure. I mean, I don't want to see the War on Drugs is good, but the resulting Fact that it had is good for certain States, right? And that's why I'm more bullish on the US than Canada one of the reasons at least and the other thing too is Illinois is going to be very limited license, which is sort of the Holy Grail. There's a very limited number of cultivation licenses. I think it's like 21 and there's a limit very limited number of dispensaries was about I think 43 right now for give or take and there's going to be, you know, another wave coming online, but it's still going to be very limited license and where do they stand in terms of vertical integration? Versus specialization like do you have to sell your own products? Yeah, not at all. There's no my okay. So I'm not a hundred percent sure. But what I know is that definitely the dispensaries are selling. Sorry. The cultivators are selling into the dispensaries of all kinds. Okay, if you'll see GTI green lime Industries and Cresco both have products in sort of, you know, every dispensary, right? So they're wholesaling, but then also they do own the retail locations now there is a cap on how many retail locations Can have and it looks like you could have five recreational and five medicinal. So there is a you know, there is really a tight cap on how much retail you can control right? So we're Cresco and GTI and these guys will make the majority of their money. I think will be on the wholesale side Gaucho although initially. Absolutely. They will make a lot of money on retail as more retail licenses rollout that will become a more competitive game, but wholesale they will really have a huge Advantage because some sorry I should also point out that one of the reasons it was such a smooth roll out is because they had an existing Medical Market. So they already had these dispensaries that we're doing medical sales. They already had cultivation for the medical side, right? Obviously, there's a huge ramp up that has to happen, right because you have way more demand now, but at least your systems are already in place gotcha, right. It makes it a smoother roll out. Yeah. So Cresco, for example, I think they can have up to six hundred thousand feet of cultivation where all the new players will have maximum 200,000. Okay, right and even then too. Without a significant grow takes so much capital. I don't think it will be easy for anybody else to come in and challenge them unless it's another large MSO. That's really well Capital. Right? Right and especially in this market to rights always it's getting harder right very difficult very difficult to call back layers for cannabis companies that alone cultivators. Yeah raising Capital. So yeah, I mean, that's something very compelling Market. Yeah, and I mean that's real fundamentals were talking about their I think when we when we finish this year, we will see very strong. First year sales in Illinois, and I think we will see it ramp over the next two years as well. Right? So 2020 in a lot of ways is going to be a year of ramping sales and that is probably the biggest positive I can think of for the yeah. Yeah. So let's compare that to Canada and Ontario and actually there are some more good news. I think so in the next quarter, you know, let's say three to six months first half of this year for sure. We will see about 45 new dispensaries open and Cheerio, so, these are the dispensaries that were already granted licenses last year, and they're just in the process of scaling out now, and then additionally, I think just today the the website tool to become a retail dispensary operator was opened up to the public. So anybody can apply now to become an operator? Okay, so that's not that doesn't mean that you can apply for a for a location yet or for a dispensary. You're just you're just applying. To be approved as an operator who can then apply for locations? Okay, right. So that's the difference but what that you know as we've discussed already, we will start seeing new licenses being granted starting in April at 20 a month. Right? So we'll have 45 new stores come online, which is basically going to Triple the store account right that we already have so that's going to be a very immediate effect in the first half of the year and then throughout the year and Beyond we will have more storms popping up. We should have forty five stores in the first half and then another hundred and sixty licenses granted throughout the year, but those will also take time for those people to open up and scale up and etcetera etcetera God but that is positive news. Did they say how many dispensers are going to capita? There's no cap mentioned yet. But if you just take 20 a month, right that would be theoretically about 250 a year that you're cut you're getting right? So this year you'll get a hundred sixty. We already had will already have about board we have about 70 right so you get Up to about 230 by the end of the year and another 250 but next year. So by the end of next year, we should have 500 licenses in Ontario. Wow, people estimate that the number we need is about a thousand but I also think hey, you know what like 20 a month is a really solid number, right? That's a good ramp up. Seeing it the first year. You got 25 25 the first year, right? So yeah. Also I have to you hop, we have to appreciate that. There's you know, if it goes too fast you can get pushed back in opposition as well for sure. You need a little bit of a measured rollout. I do think this A good solution and this this actually adds a lot of light at the end of the tunnel and actually report for another day is that they stats Canada released a really cool report on the first year of cannabis sales and they talked about online versus retail and I think the conclusion was something like only 10 to 15 percent of sales are being done online now, they don't break it out by province. But if you sort of extrapolate that to Ontario that means there's a lot of money being left on the The table and the retail is going to be the so the answer to unlocking a lot of that, right? Yeah, so we'll see that play out. Now what I'm very excited for us. This is even more good news. There's more of it rolling out here. So the 2.0 roll out in Canada. Technically, it was legalized October of the of 2019, but that was just the sort of opening window that you could apply for your product. We were hoping to see something on shelves in December. It did not happen. We will be seeing Things on shelves in January there was a interesting sort of collection of what's being presented. It's mostly vaporized product so far. It will be some edibles. It will be beverages. There's a couple of T lines which look interesting. But so far it will be a very limited role out and they will probably be sold out almost immediately. The interesting to see well, but again, this is a big Catalyst for the producers because this is the high margin extracted product. We've been talking about forever and I think I read a the best comment I read about this online with somebody said it will probably be very similar to the flour roll out, which is that initially it will be under supplied. The prices will be high. It will be, you know, very hard to get your hands on. Yeah, and then somewhere along the line the switch will flip and it will be over Supply. And we'll see. Yeah, I agree. I wholeheartedly agree with that and I don't think I think you and I were chatting about that before that. It is a shorter term window 18-24 months. That's just my guesstimation of when we think that's going to happen because we saw that happen with flour think very similar role that's going to happen with with the extraction to but nonetheless, I mean, it's still an opportunity and it's the not Patrol for sure has me excited for it for sure. And and this is what we need. Right? We need people going out to stores and buying stuff. Yeah excited and spending money and that's what I Think is going to happen and a lot of you know, the success of 2020 Canada sales are dependent on how many stores we get open, Ontario. And what kind of how much how how well do these 2.0 products sell right and what's going to constrain them in the beginning? That's just Supply and also I think a lot of companies very prudently are taking a slow approach to the 2.0 products. Yeah, because you want to be there you want to be there in the Days, you want people to be excited about your products also a new market, right? So there's going to be a lot you're not going to get that little anymore back. Yeah percent. You know, you say you like, I'm sorry. I'm not as a feedback. But yeah feedback but also you don't have the research of what's going to sell and let's not you have thousand percent theories because so this is why employee unchartered Waters exact. Well, we can't say completely uncharted waters. It is on the legal side. But you know remember there was a Black Market at one point where all this did happen. Yeah good point and so and of other legal markets like California or whatever, right? And so but yeah, and so I think you can you can kind of take to that and sort of add to it. But I think that's where some of the advantages could kind of go to some of these the the black market guys that are going late Market. They had that I guess I don't a cop 360 feedback or whatever. They had that touch point with their client or the customer and they knew what sold in what did in right. So with with this it'll be interesting to see what actually sells and what doesn't actually sell. Yeah absolutely great point and I think that one of the things that we've talked about a couple of times And I've read some interesting articles on is the beverage category. And you know, I think first of all a lot of the points are very correct, which is that beverages in the states have not taken off at all. They've been a remained a very small category, especially in relation to Edibles which have you know performed exceptionally well but to your point a be about unchartered Waters or sort of, you know, not having feedback yet. Nobody has been has had the capital and the The sort of professionalism to put into Rd of new products more so than exciting companies right canopies been spending I think over a hundred million dollars building out all of their new product lines, right? So this is really a make-or-break for them. And if they can come out with an awesome cannabis infused beverage which by the way, I am super excited for I think people are really discounting how cool these beverages have the potential to be and I'm a Believer because when I In California, you know, I had a cannabis beverage I thought was just exceptional. Right right. So I think that if these things I think that no one's ever really given this a fair Shake because it hasn't been done in the right way. So the question is can people revolutionize this right? Can we see a really good cannabis beverage come out. Can we see, you know some kind of product Innovation. We haven't seen yet. Right and how will consumers react to it? And I think that some companies will sort of take a back seat and And let other people go first. Yeah, see how see how it sells see how it does see how you know, let the Kings get worked out first so then come in. Yeah, and you know what, I agree with you. I think that is the way that it's going to kind of roll out one thing that I've I'm a big fan of beverages, you know that right? Like I've always said that cannabis beverages are going to be the end-all be-all eventually, maybe not the end obviously wrong strong statement. Yeah, they're gonna be they're gonna be a lot more prevalent than they are right now. Yeah, and I wholeheartedly believe that but the one Thing that I whenever I say this a lot of people I always get the pushback or asterisk that I always put it all depends on what marketing restrictions the Kenyan government is going to have for these beverages because if you look at other Industries, so for example, soft drinks even harder anything it all boils down to the marketing, right? The marketing is very crucial on these beverages absolutely look at the Coca-Cola and if a Christmas polar bears, they've got people who are high-fiving it was having a great time and I'm not saying that's why you bike. Coca-Cola, but it holds its mindshare right? You're right heating for people's dollars. Yeah, right and and you're absolutely right. I mean, this is why I'm saying it annoys such a good Market is because it's limited license. So it's there's a limited amount of supply and who can supply the market so we know the demand is there for cannabis, but the problem in Canada is you have too many companies too much money and not enough distribution and Retail right? But you also have marketing restrictions, right? That's okay dear mark That's what I'm getting to ready that you Have to like people designed the system in such a way that it's like oh, this is like free money. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. You can't not sell your product right but to your point. No, it's not like that. There actually is a lot of competition whether it's with the black market or just disposable income in general or whatever. So you do need you know, you do need to be able to get the word out somehow and that has been very very challenging and the Hope like beverages by the way to answer your question are under all the same restrictions as everything else, right? So, So there's not that's not really an answer. However, the hope is that maybe there will be some easing of the guidelines. You know, whether it's Health Canada, whether it's having consumption lounges something like that that allows you to get two people. I would say as investors. We certainly shouldn't assume that that's going to be you know, relaxing of the rules. No, I mean, I don't think I don't think we should I think I think the cannabis companies have to step up and get creative in their marketing, right? They know the restrictions they've seen on the drive Flower we saw with I think this Terrible examples and remember the name but Drake's company with like growth more life growth. He walks around gave everyone a torontonian of flour or whatever whoever they ran into right and they just had more life grow. So w goes exclusively pretty girls. But yeah, I think so I got one but also when you walk into a store and you see more life brother like, oh, that's a brand I know right? So that that's a very creative way to Market. I'm in circumventing the rule the whole premise of partnering with Drake and giving him the facility to your point. That is a creative form of marketing right rather than just having a mother. Well, no, no other celebrities have put their name on cannabis products before but just the way that they did it. It was so hush-hush. Nobody knew about it. They gave out these flowers to everyone. No one knew what more like growth wasn't some Instagram page are blowing up and it was like it was like Grassroots viral marketing that Instagram page, by the way, I followed it like the day it came out has like we wonder like why you think it a flower I angry message. At 20,000 followers still hasn't followed me back or still hasn't he doesn't sorry accepted my follow but I still can't because that is a great point that I didn't even think about which is that the more life growth brand has been really quiet since they made their first announcement. Right and my theory on this is that Drake is sort of the ultimate marketing tool for a canopy. So if I I was them what I would do is is really just wait not push anything out to more life growth until I have that feedback loop, right? So I know what my best products are and then I would say okay, you know Drake you have to promote this or you know, you have to but look this is the product that is the best one and this is like best represents you yeah, let's put this to your channel because this is the product that if we can get people to try it will blow up. Right right because you know to your point marketing is so hard. I don't want to like you have a limited amount of Firepower with Like I don't want to waste that on something until I know it's going to be a hit right and they can't go around giving out flowers again, you know, I mean, yeah that only work so many times exactly exactly. So anyways, I think to know we kind of beat this this point a little bit further than we're hoping to but I think Canada's companies have to step up with the marketing restrictions and just be very creative like canopy did yeah, I think another caveat to that is I'd say one thing that we saw which was which was very successful was the the formation of the cannabis. Well, as I sort of call it and that was the the LPS getting together and really lobbying the government with one voice to say look. This is what we need and it was extraordinarily effective because what happened was they got their message out in a controlled way it permeated through the media and it put a lot of pressure on the Ford government to change their retail policy, which they did right. So I think that the next phase will have to be them lobbying Health Canada in that fashion. So I think that I think ultimately there's only so much they can do when they're handcuffed. You're right. They do have to get more creative. But ultimately I think the big change will happen when they can get through to health Canada and say look like you got to help us out somehow you got a right we gotta we gotta ease some of the restrictions here, right? So I think when I think that will take time, but I think that's the ultimate move for right exactly will prepare for the worst and hope for the best right? There you go. Okay, so then flipping the coin around to the the and some of the challenges, you know, the 2.0 rollout has not has not been as not all been been so Rosy so Quebec for example, raising the minimum age of cannabis to 21, which is unheard of because they're drinking age is 18 and you never go out without that. I literally I mean nobody has 21 for anything in Canada. Yeah, nothing not for cannabis or drinking or smoking, right? So Quebec going way over the top with that and then Quebec also. Banning Vapes completely outright Banning cannabis Vapes which look like they're going to be probably the number one seller in the market, you know, probably neck-and-neck with Edibles. So everyone who's complaining about how you know, Ontario is the worst. You know, I'd like you have to acknowledge that the Ontario and the end although ensure a rollout was completely botched. It's going to be a much better Market than Quebec right and if you think about opportunity for sure you think about this logically like, you know so many open he's you know, whether it's the big LPS or whether it's extractors or whatever are relying on Vape sales. So we just lost Quebec that's like a quarter of the country to a third of the probably 30% of the country. We just lost right there right for all Vapes, right that is a huge blow and then on top of that Alberta, which has been the best province in terms of rollout has put a hold on any vaping products until they come out with a review in the spring now again, we can be hopeful that that will be Of but really as investors, we shouldn't assume that right so you've lost about half the country now for vaping and that will be probably one of the best and biggest money makers and that's a big problem. That's a really big dragon negative that I think people are sort of overlooking or not really paying attention to hmm. Yeah, and it's true. So like I said, you know, there's good and bad, right? So Ontario's going the right way. We're start but unfortunately, you know, Alberta and Quebec not so much right Albert has more of a delay Quebec is kind of yeah, that's it. Drawn the line. Yeah. Quebec is totally worse than Alberta by far for writer and then and a little fun prediction for you. Is that In I remember when I was in university many moons ago. And when I was 18, the big thing was we would go over to Montreal or Quebec to be able to drink right because you're 18, you can't drink in Ontario, but you can drink in Quebec. So a lot of the you know, there's a lot of nightlife basically in the Border towns, right? So I predict you'll have the opposite now the reverse so they raised to the Cannabis age to 21. Yeah. Well, I bet you that up and down that the head Ontario Quebec border will be a fun. Nominal place to spica cystic cannabis dispensary. Yeah because also actually Quebec has a worse cannabis distribution system. They use a centralized provincial system like the LCBO. So it's all government-run stores. So if you stick a Tokyo smoke, you know across from Gatineau or you know, wherever along the border a lot of people drive over people values are from Montreal to get it. I bet you I bet you're gonna get a ton of traffic from the local communities who come over to get better product selection. You know come over because they're only 19 and not 21. I just I think you're going to see that as a trend going into the next year two years three years, you know, unless Quebec reverses their stance, which who knows right? So moving on to the us just to wrap it up some good news from the US actually a couple of big debt deals were done in the last 30 days. Really? So cure Leaf 275 million dollar 275 million u.s. Debt raised purely debt, no warrants attached and that is a phenomenal sign. It seems to be the deal at a lot of people are doing on the street though. I've seen a lot of debt deals as opposed to equity deals right now. Well, so so yes, I hear what you're saying. I would say that especially in the u.s. Those debt deals are far and few between because it's Hard to find somebody who can cut a check for 275 million. Yeah, this is an Institutional lender who lent them money, right? So that's really impressive. And the other thing too is I think in Canada, it's the other way around where they're taking debt because the equity is not there right with cure relief. I think the equity would be there because they're one of the top players. This is more a positive sign that look we can we can actually go raise debt in this tough environment. We have an Institutional lender who believes in us, right right and to In 75 million u.s. That's a ton of money at that's the kind of dough. You need to build out the kind of footprint that they absolutely and cure Leaf is why like one of three msos that are over a billion dollars. Well, Carol Leaf is the largest MSL by any other leaders like Marshall Eve and Noah's the biggest ones right now would be here early early Cresco meant relief. Yeah, maybe Jack. No, I think GT I would be a g and then truly would be fourth. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but Carol Leaf is one of the reasons I've always been cautious on. Pure leaf is a market cap is so large. Yeah, they do have a huge footprint. So it's kind of I guess you could say it's Justified but that's always been a point of concern for me. Yeah. This is definitely a good sign. Yeah, you know because I think this debt rolls over not for another like four years or something. So they've got some time now and some Runway to build out their footprint. Yeah, right and then along with that Harvest did a 90 million dollar US deal Harvest. I've been cautious on, you know, since things started hitting the fan just because financing was a concern Yeah, this definitely helps. I think they're going to need more money. So I'm still pretty cautious on harvest but this was a mix of debt and Equity. So this was you know, some debt some straight debt some convertible debt, and I think I think they would have preferred to do a straight debt deal. But you know, the appetite wasn't there for them the way it was for cure relief, right? So I end this also finished off one of their debt deals that they or sorry convertible Equity deals. So again, it's a big positive for all these companies because capital is so scarce right now the number one. Concern is running out of money. So that this was a really good sign across the board. Yeah, you know the numbers vary on all these deals, but it was not cheap money by any regards. So it does tell you that there is still risk here is uncertainty you got to get paid for it, but it's a very positive sign that the best operators are getting Capital, right? And as this is a note I'd say, you know, I end this in Harvest them a little cautious on just because again, they will need a lot more money to keep going. Certainly. This makes me feel better about those two operators and then lastly a piece of negative news and really unfortunate for myself because of how much you know, how much I love Florida and how invested I am in Florida. Oh, actually sorry I should just do a quick note that when we were off a short report came out on true leaf, and this was a you know, it was unclear at the time, but it was really written kind of in the style of very reminiscent of the Bria short report a year earlier and it was it was very negative and I went through it and I felt it was quite misleading in many ways. But basically what it said is that you know truly it has a lot of issues the issue that I actually agree with and that I think that people should be the most aware of is that Kim Rivers husband is on trial and is going to be is on trial in Florida and his trial date just got set for April. Okay, why that's important, you know to CEOs. Has-been who cares it's because he was a he's an Insider in the company. He his construction company did a lot of the build-out for the company not without getting into too many details. It's a real issue and I think that you know, he has a good chance getting convicted and I think that will weigh on the stock they have him on tape, there's a bunch of stuff but when you get it's a whole nother episode, but basically it's not looking good for him and you know the bet the flip side is I still I'm a big believer in true leave and the financial performance. Speaks for itself and I believe the company will get past all of this. Even if he goes down even on the off chance that Kim Rivers was to go down which I don't think will happen. But if that was to happen, I think the company would still go forward. So I am comfortable holding and I did buy a bunch actually when this report hit but I wrote sort of a point-by-point rebuttal breaking down the report and I'll put a link in there, but basically just something to be aware of I do think it will be a choppy Road. True Leaf. Yeah it like it has recovered nicely. It's gone up and down though. And I think there will be more up and down for that company, but I think the financial performance is really going to set it apart from everybody else in 2020 and 2021 right now you're into the so the last point is that one of the things we're really looking forward to in Florida was the potential for going fully wreck for it to be on the ballot adult use in November some bad news. Is that the the Initiative called make it legal Florida or or MILF for short as people are referring to it is that they have just sued the Florida government asking for more time. So without getting too much into it a new rule came into effect earlier last year which basically made it harder for measures to qualify and their argument is look that is a punitive measure. It's literally just there to stop people from qualifying ballot ballot measures. And we have enough signatures, but we can't get them validated because of the wacky system. You guys have put into place, right? So whenever somebody has to sue to try to you know, make the rules work. I always consider it like okay it's done and this is now a long shot. Mmm. That being said flower was only legalized in Florida because they sued for it so floor to the different place, who knows, but I would now look at Recreation getting the Anal vote in Florida as more of a long shot unfortunately, but we will see what happens right? So that that remains to be seen right and just to add to your point. And if anybody who just are listening on truly like focuses mostly on medical, right? So well Florida's medical only right? So that's the yeah. That's the flip side or in true leave is 95% of their business is Florida, right? So that's what they're not. I what I'm trying to say is you're not relying on wreck coming online for True Leaf to get a pop. Yeah, and others are already. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's my whole thesis on if you go back and some of the Florida episode which I you know encourage you to do that's a thesis on true leaf and Florida and general that market is phenomenal it grew about 50% and maybe even more last year and should grow by probably another 35 percent this year. They're gonna have Edibles finally launching early this year. So I think you're going to see really really good growth in that market. It's just recreational would be sort of the Holy Grail right? If we got that would probably just be a A huge pop so, you know fingers crossed but again, I wouldn't I wouldn't bet on that, right? Okay guys, that's it. That's your market update certainly a lot more stuff to come from us. We've got a episode about some predictions for 2020. We've got a episode were working on for sort of my top picks for 2020. We've got a few other things coming out. So please we'd love to hear your feedback and thoughts cin podcast at gmail.com. 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Happy New Year! In this market update we cover the good and bad for the start of 2020! - 2020 will be a year of Strong Catalysts driven by Fundamental Growth - There will also be significant headwinds to navigate Illinois Goes Full Rec: - Banner first day with $3.3M USD sales + $2.2M on 2nd day - $11M USD of sales in 5 days (with customers paying $20 USD/gram of flower) - Illinois will be a great market in 2020 and 2021, with a strong sales ramp and limited licenses Ontario Retail: - 45 dispensaries to open in Ontario Q1-Q2 (licenses were granted last year) - 160 new retail licenses in 2020 in Ontario (~225 granted by end of 2020 and ~475 by end of 2021) - This will greatly help ramp Canadian sales in 2020 and 2021 Cannabis 2.0 Launches in Canada: - 2.0 products shipping this week to retail and online next week (in Ontario) - These High Margin products will greatly drive sales for the entire industry - Very limited supply of products initially with many more to roll out over next 6 months - Will be similar to flower – under supply then over supply - We debate the strict marketing rules and how fast companies should be moving Vaping Bans: Quebec banning vapes and raising age to 21 Alberta delaying vapes until spring (at least) US News: - Debt Deals for Curaleaf ($275M USD) + Harvest ($73M USD) Curaleaf - $275M USD debt deals // Harvest - $90M USD debt deal - Trulieve Short Report Florida – Rec vote not looking good, suing for more time (flower got approved by lawsuit) See full Florida point-by-point rebuttal here: https://www.reddit.com/r/weedstocks/comments/ebztnd/my_analysis_of_the_trul_trulieve_short_report/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

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And we've got a show for you North Hollywood the before we get started with all of that stuff. Obviously, I have to go ahead and introduce the amazing panel first up all the way to the left. We've got the mayor the governor the senator and the president ladies and gentlemen will be no.com. What's going on man? My gavel still in my luggage. But other than that, I'm so glad to be here man. We also have got TK here. You've done more shows today that I think I've done in my entire life the hardest working person in show business today TK. It's going well. I'm going well. Obviously I am pumped. I'm in a catbird seat Evan would say and I'm so I'm pumped to be here so big Shadow obviously not just to our panel. But to all the amazing people here in the chat. We've got Dylan Matthews Joseph Boza may know our Dino our all you good good people. Thank you so much for joining us. We had a kraken episode lots of great matches to good shows and row, if you're the type of person that likes NXT, I think you're the type person. Like this episode, would you guys think about it what's gonna is a great episode actually, it wasn't because sometimes you can kind of Coast like doze off and do other things but you had to pay attention to this episode. So I think it was really good episode. Hashtag black. Don't crack. I have to agree man. You know, we are all the big rumors are gets a little bit later, but you're not seeing more and more of a structure what Annex he's going to be as far as the storytelling as far as the angles are being set up an overlapping. I dug it. Yeah, absolutely and you had alluded to the big rumors and we're definitely going to get to those in a little bit. That's what we call at ease ladies and gentlemen, but first we're gonna go ahead and talk about that Undisputed era promo to start things off personally. I felt like this was a really great way to start off the show is really great showing for Adam Cole to me. It feels like now that his Feud with Gargano is done. It's really his title flow about you. He said he's the the best NXT champion of all time. Where would you rank him? Wow? Whoo, that's a hard question. I mean like he did say I mean since kids up there Finn balor's Up there, I would say thing would be put a gun to my head. But I like the fact that there was almost a bit of a wreck on there when it's promo right saying no takeover. We all got screwed but it's only a matter of time to think that the inevitable I was pretty sick, but I got to say Adam Cole top five Amy. I mean, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, he's as quick a short Reign but because yes now he's stripping. Absolutely. I absolutely love him. Now obviously had mentioned he's continuing sort of this draped and gold thing wanting everyone to have titles at EK where are You standing with this continuation of the draped in gold thing. Is it starting to feel stale? Like okay, you've been saying this for months and months or are you into it? Do you like them? Don't worry have to be consistent and it's not one of those things where we had Bianca Bel-Air where she was like undefeated and then she was defeated but she still sings undefeated. It's like a dream that you have so I buy it. I'm really into facts infections. If you watch the show often enough, I keep preaching it. So I'm always about a faction and a goal for the faction and achieving that goal until you know, there's nothing else. Else left so you know, I don't think it's old. I definitely am digging the new what's called. Well, I think you're gonna get into it but the new storyline so yeah. Yeah. I really thought this promo as you alluded to flow as well this this feeling more like a like a missed opportunity and and sort of a Prelude as opposed to a big stumbling block for them at the last take over and obviously right after the promo we go right into Jordan Miles coming out and In that contract that he won with the breakout tournament. I love how Adam Cole had this kind of high school bully attitude about him and with his with his buddies kind of egging him on and he tells miles that he should challenge baesler instead. One of my one of my favorite moments of the night obviously was him holding up the contract and then dropping it and Deuces up flow bow. Would you rather face Adam color Shayna baszler? What kind of match? Do we have a match? Anyway, I want to say that if I'm gonna go get the dream where Adam Cole you're thinking. I haven't opportunity gonna get any person out there. I was afraid that we'll go to India and a tap Champion not against dream, but the fact that why would you like any of the bottom the fact that comes out now didn't say a word and saying see you in two weeks. I'm on board. That's what was your question again. Guess. I don't know. I don't know baser seems scary to me a chance. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So TK obviously miles coming out challenging Adam Cole. Do you like this move him going right after the champion or do you think he should have like a buffer few to build him up a little bit. We rebuilt them up. You think the breakout tournament got him to that level? Well, I mean in time because you have The Break-Up turn breakout tournament you seen him kind of go through the ranks. Obviously, you know, you prefer somebody to start from the bottom and kind of with the way up but this breakout tournament put him on that list. So why not go after the top? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think it's better than dragging out something. We think we already know Jesus being dragged me out. Do you think that this is a one and done kind of thing or is this going to be a few that we see build for a while? Well, I mean, we know that he won the breakout tournament for a reason so somebody back there thinks that he has the potential. So if he goes against and I'm Cole, it's not this is there's gonna be more to come there's our there's a reason why he's in that like, I mean, it's a nice like we all know that it's kind of scripted right? So there's a reason there's a reason breaking news. It's not like, you know football or any other sport. We're just like, you know, you build the story but you really don't know what's gonna happen this somebody has some type of game plan and what's going to happen. And I believe it. I'm still waiting to see a few elements, but I think you know people they've been doing and XT and WWE for a long time. So I think they have a game plan. Sure sure, and to kind of piggyback on all of this draped and gold stuff. We got an announcement that next week the Undisputed areas facing the street profits for the Tag Team titles. It should be interesting globo. Bobby fish. Most underrated heal and NXT true or very true. Absolutely true. I love you. You poopoo on Bobby fish in that group. For some reason. I do think he has the the best emotions out there. You told him about the ceilings more. He's more technically sound a lot of times. I know Colorado gets a lot of the flashier highlights and stuff and you need a straight person behind him to set up those things up. So I got to say the most under a person is in that group. I'm not sure and I randomly Jordan. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely angry TK IV. Okay, not everyone could be Jordan Miles either nor the projects. So ya later in the evening also we get a In dream promo, and I think Velveteen dream is going to be one of the biggest stars we've seen in decades. Hopefully, I know some people may say is not ready yet. I don't care. I think he's amazing. I think he's got gonna go so far. This guy's literally Shilling his own swag while also putting over the fact that he just defeated Pete done without having to change breasts. I thought that was absolutely amazing what they're change breaths. I guess. I've been one graph So we've got a Daniel Bryan a picture up. But but so I thought this was absolutely amazing and what you did now TK. He mentioned that he was going to challenge Roderick strong or at least implied that Roderick strong was the next Challenger. Do you think this means Pete Dunn is out of the North American Title seen or do you think we're going to get a three-way going forward again? And now we don't know. Again, like I mean for I guess both so whoever watches NXT UK, we don't know it's like this was just to create something for an XT and then move on to you know back to NXT UK. So we don't know if there's like a time stamp my almost like how the street profits are. I'm Raw just talking. Yeah, but there you can see them on NXT. So we don't know what the game plan is for for him. But the whole team dreamed I mean box office. Absolutely. He tells a great story. He has the Look, he has a different look. I mean, the only thing that will stop him main roster wise is it they just don't have the right storyline for him. Like I mean, I think mainstream Wise It's A Wrap because he just it's the timing is everything but as far as wrestling wise, you know, we've seen them do it, right and then we've seen them do it wrong. So it just depends on you know, the game plan of the powers that be yeah, it's very very important realize how important the character Velveteen dream is as nxt's During its next stage. You're going to have to find a way to present a different kind of rusting product and a character product. So if you're saying this brand has these kind of characters and that could be his into being that that household name. I wouldn't seem on Smackdown. I wouldn't I would tell you is this time I'll but that's it. Here's a here's the the clutch and I know we're going to get into the news right here the clutch the fact that there's two hours of this and it's a bigger audience. Do you really need to move now? That is a fascinating question and again something we'll get into a little bit later. You got a state to take sweetie. That's a tease. We call that he's in this industry who teases because to teases maybe three hang out for a little bit. We've got some duties and folks. I just I'm just teasing. Advertising and promoting. Why don't feel about go ahead and you go ahead and cut a promo on on these folks yourself. Sure man from humble beginnings. 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This is a match we've seen building up for weeks and weeks and weeks and obviously started injured Matt riddle ribs, and it started with some slow kind of abdominal holes and things like that, but definitely picked up and Matt riddle just with insane crazy strength and speed totally took me off guard with him. She found the Gift Stop Loving Me Now. Yes. There's actually a second we gotta try you were sweet to Dylan Dylan. You are like the creative director for bills or anything. Yes, whatever Point. Yeah. So so anyways back to sorry back to Killian Dana and Matt riddle realize this crazy unorthodox style. I don't wrestle me throw on unorthodox style around a lot. But Matt riddle really does have an unorthodox style and TK. I'm going to go to you on this as we talked about people going to the main roster if It was promoted to yourself. No, I mean it's a shows. So like if Matt riddle was to go to the main roster. We're not talking about his character anything like that. But just the way he wrestles would he be able to do that with a Randy Orton or I can Erick Rowan or some of these big guys, would he be able to do that or is that something that he's going to have to work not even counting about character? Have you the big guys? I think it's more like the box office. And from what I've seen and you guys are definitely more in two or more years into wrestling than I am. Why See that seems like there's more Ebbs and flows. As far as Who's the champion who's not and who's surrounding them as far as what's those people go through those who go through to get to Champion. So, you know, sometimes you have them going through all these big people and sometimes it's just, you know, the middlemen and then they make it to Champion. So I think it just depends on whom a trail goes up against but I think he could connect to the audience. But again it do you really need to go into main roster now, I mean, that's it's a phenomenal question. And I do want to go ahead real quick though and comment on the more years of into wrestling. I actually take more Credence in the something. Someone says who isn't hasn't been into it as long because I think they you can see it more clearly than some people who've watched it since they were like three years old. I definitely agree on my abs look fantastic in that picture. I do have to Hell for real follow me. Yeah, but yeah, it just depends emit. Just I do agree with you some way. I think people who have been watching it since they were a kid and I didn't grow up watching wrestling but then you know, I ran professionally. Yeah and I did stuff with my life no shade, but it's just I took I took a break. I took a break from watching it and some people watched their whole life and they're very passionate. They're very connected to it. Whereas, you know, I try to you know, obviously you guys know who my favorites are if you've been watching me for long enough, but But I try to take the emotion out of it and you know see the read. Oh, yeah well and speaking, you know, obviously this was a matter it has been around for a while. But this was sort of Danes moment. I think him getting the win. Obviously, I think for a lot of us riddle has sort of proven himself flowba. Do you think Killian Dane has proven himself as a singles competitor in his return with this match or is he still an unproven commodity? It's not yet. The thing about killing Danny he's at The BC W1 over Matt real today, which I think this matters did Matt real more favors in my eyes because my biggest crap of my mat riddle was. Yeah. I love the gimmick but a lot of times how do you show me your aggression and he got that today so as far as killing and and doing that yeah, he's in the map is being a mid car talent, but he needs something longer term birth weight could be Matt riddle. But if this is going to be done and he dominated move on to somebody else then I'm not too impressed. So I think he definitely needs another program even on short one and himself on the map and I think somebody at well, I think so. Oh what color somebody ask somebody asked about Jim Jim is coming back. So just y'all don't get too excited my promos. He didn't he didn't get fired. Just so you guys know we definitely we are definitely waiting for him to come back and we're excited for another excitement, but he's coming back and he was a fantastic person. Very nice. I don't think that's very well. You know, it's the he gets the reputation he'll gym, but I am a heel Jim fan so Jim I am kill yourself. I can't wait for Jim to come back and we're going to we're going to Sweet together like that. And so so then yeah, I'm loving the angry bro thing. I feel like I like that killing Dean has brought a lot of anger out of out of that riddle and it makes him a little more interesting. So I'm excited for that. Of course then moving on. We also had me Amanda match with Vanessa born and Ally Leah pretty straightforward match, I think an outcome. We all sort of Saw coming. We all sort of expected that outcome. They're one of my favorite points of the night was when born put the lower sticker on me again. That was a funny little little Moment full about. Yeah, Vanessa born and Alia their great heels, but will they ever be credible? Can we ever seen as credible heels? The answer was no which medium should have like totally destroyed them as a proving point that she was still a hot towel. But she Russell with them for what four or five minutes long. That match should be so now I even left confidence in her stock, right? I feel like this is what I'm trying to be like, you know before the program that Shayna baszler. She not both Alia and Vanessa born. Now, you're having trouble what is going on me? Yeah. Well, maybe it's a psyche thing. Whereas like she thought she put so much stock into beating Shana. She didn't get the win and know maybe she's questioning all and this should be an angle like free fries. Now she's questioning, you know all the years that she's put in in wrestling to when am I that good? If I can't even you know, I've been wrestling longer than Shana right? And am I that good and if you questioning yourself then you know things like this happen, I'll take that but that's way more creative than was having. That's great. Now I've been shot. Yeah, it felt like a very straightforward situation. I thought they really missed a great opportunity with this when basilar came out and asked her to join her crew. I thought you could have had Really cool Nia game joining the crew and adding a second dangerous person I group and even if she's kind of the disgruntled member that eventually breaks off and challenges again. It may be is the person within that breaks up that group. Right? I think it would be a little more interesting than just I don't want to join beat down probably another takeover match down the road TK. Do you still think I know you're a big medium fan. Do you still think she's the most likely person to be the next Women's Champion or do you think this is going to be a I think we have well. That's how they're gearing it to be but we just don't know what's going to happen. The next couple weeks. Like we haven't seen Bianca that much so we don't know if they're getting her up for something. So you just know I think there's probably two or three viable options and with the big news coming to we just don't know what's going to happen with other women because I for instance I saw Chelsea Green and oh my gosh another lady another chick. They took a picture together for WWE NXT, so and there In their gear and also the stuff so it's like we just don't know who's coming down the pipes, right? And on top of that based off how NXT is like going like going towards it's not going to be giving people chances. I think NXT is gonna be a live in legitimate show and then you're going to have the house shows and the performance center shows like the Full Sail shows gonna be a little bit different. So now he's gonna be like a different variation of that. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I gotta say with the women's roster we're looking at Baesler. Yeah, Candace will re he. Oh sure. I Bianca's in the back somewhere. It's no less than ten talents. So if I had to guess it will probably be some sort of tournament or Battle Royal to get some new faces out there. Especially they don't do am a young they have today. I don't have to do something. I feel like there's something missing with the factors. No, man, young this year may Young's well, it seems they can just throw in there pretty quick. What kind of King of the Ring was announced one day and then suddenly there was the King of the Ring tournament throw together. You have a great you didn't need young essentially. They took people from all over the place. Not just WWE really great in these we had Madison Rayne on women's point about sleeping women's wrestling weekly a couple weeks ago. She talked about it. You had Jazzy who's on the first episode first season of Mae Young has a Gabriel. Yeah. She got she got a neck injury she came back now. She's on NXT UK you have amazing people that came on the show that are not part of them W. Whereas what we have with the men they were already signed town a little bit. Rent, so it's great to see we also have big swole are enroll those on on me young as well a little slow because of oil. Yeah, shut up a little swollen. A lot of people who weren't aware unsigned town that they were showcasing. So that's why I met you can't put that together because I think from the interviews I've done they started casting the wrestlers probably late spring to film it in early fall. So it's a little bit you can't just throw that I guess I thought I said no. No, that's I like that. I like a Raging Raging just try. I feel I am I am worried trust crying. So I didn't mean like they could just I guess what I meant from a what we see on TV. It could be announced quickly for all we know they are trying to put this all together behind the scenes and so But if they were to come out with a commercial tomorrow saying in three weeks, it's the Mae Young classic. We would say, okay that makes sense as opposed to it does I don't know if we necessarily need a long build to the show start itself on TV I guess is what is where I was coming from but I love tournaments. I said on the the main roster shows, I love tournaments and things so I would definitely love some more of that. But while you're nice and fired up and angry, I would love to segue. I'm not angry and I'm fired up that into a little segment. We call the Boudoir brought to you by Center in the skincare and candles fighting super basic. So today's Boudoir a couple of new people. So Vanessa born, you know, I think she's you know, she's despite the fact that a lot of us on this panel of you know weeks and months. Don't feel like she's gonna make it to the top. She's been there for a minute and I believe she also she did actually debut with me young as well. So kudos to her and then another Boudoir member Adam Cole. Okay. Yeah. Well different. Yeah, he's been he's been getting some some cut arms to he looks like he's been doing some some curls some tricep extension. And the shirt and he's had the Chicago Bear shoes. I thought you gonna talk about this chest or something. I was like, where are you going with this what I mean, you know I missed that tricep. I can't lie about that, you know. On a show saying you've got a great-looking chest. So Jordan Miles, she's got a great looking chest. So Dylan you know what to do. So this is an iconic episode. So so obviously we've teased it a few times and now is the time obviously NXT is going live on USA two hours every Wednesday. What do you guys think? Well, if you want wrestling, it's all good for everyone is he always want more spots with people to get their good work and working their Crafts People to get into the Brand's. My concern is one of the cool aspects of edx. He for me it was that was only an hour see if it's best to much time in it. I am worried the to our expansion that some of the storytelling may fall apart maybe but after the fact where I'm like, I'm not gonna give a shot or it's right it Start program ever wrong. I think it's good idea for all I mean NXT has great character is and we even though our ation with raw, they still put out three hours of content every single week even on holidays, and I'm sure and they do a really great job with Smackdown as well. I'm sure they can do this pull this off with NXT because there's a lot of people and XT locker room that we don't see with that our so I am not a fan of the two hours either but that's more personal thing because I watch all of this stuff plus interviews to prep for all these wrestling shows. So that's more of a personal thing and that was just watching TV to watch TV. And you know, I'm dozing off getting ready for bed and not you know, sneak in this thinking that then yeah, we're from the but I'm watching it with the purpose of us being here. It's like yeah, he was always an hour. It was pretty much match batteries promo front a sperm whale a match and I reload the two hours you're gonna have a lot more things to fill it because you can put 40 guys or girls people every week when the same matches so you need things to break things up segment. So that's what I hope. It doesn't become a third brand that way right? All right. Well, yeah, but Tell him it's great. I think it's if you're on that brand has chosen talent that on NXT. Yeah voice said, what are the what are the hidden bonuses? That NXT has is that you don't see the same people every week and that you wait two or three weeks between seeing people so we probably won't see Adam Cole next week. And while I like Adam Cole it's kind of nice to not see him every week because then every time I see him, I'm like, oh this is greater when Velveteen dreams music hits every time I owe this is great. Right, but are you other side mounted then XT UK is going to be like dabbling. Did they say anything? That I did not mention. It hasn't been announced but I don't see why they wouldn't yeah, but I guess one of the the positives because I was want to try to look at this as a positive. We always talk about how we want to see more people like a keighley and all these other people who don't get a chance to be on the show and this could be that opportunity to see more people like a Keithley and I always think that's good anymore opportunity to see people there is a lot of wrestling on TV right now, which I think is going to be a very interesting. Because there's also other companies that are getting TV shows ew a well. Aw, but there's also even I hear NWA is looking at trying to get a show and mlw as well, but I know a lot of people think that this is a this is a countermeasure to a ew, I don't necessarily think it is. I think NXT has been on Wednesdays. I don't think it's been forever and USA's paying them a ton of money. I think this would have happened one way or another maybe it's happening sooner but I think is going to happen one way or the other. I don't know what that I'm gonna be kind of program and it seems their first well and is T was on the WWE platform. Right? Right, aw announced their whole TV deal. Sure, right? I don't think like I think we did mention did talk about NXT, you know being on a TV show but I don't think it would have been two hours. Hmm. I don't think it would have been at this time slot. Like I think if they it aw wasn't around it. Oh Dylan. Fire, I think Steven Hayes a smart man. NXT might have been on a different night bear and a different time. It's possible. I mean, I always think with any type of TV show you're always trying to get networks to pay you money to produce these shows and I mean, I think right now whether or not aw was around if USA offered them money to put 205 live on TV on a network they would do it too. I think they would do with any show. I didn't even have done it but the time slot and the day is the questionable thing because like for instance and know I like watching NXT, but I honestly think that if aw wasn't around you might have gotten NXT on USA on a Friday night at 9:00. / yeah, so it's just, you know, it's a little it's a little different verses on the same night that aw this time at the same time. I was a this know that the one thing that aw has over an XT because we're now seeing an excuse a third brand is that they have to Define what that brand stands for because before we wrote it off as developmental like okay, we can have some time for characters and stuff. But what is NXT going to be when it expands its you hours with a double? He's already saying we're more mature more mature fans and more into the Indie scene. I mean, yeah, but but I think with NXT you're still going to have you're not going to have the developed developmental. We're not going to you're not going to test people sure they're going to take the people. They're going to test those people still at full samples that fall sailboats. Full Sail at Full Sail, but there's not going to be televised right and you're gonna have the house shows to what is actually gonna be so NXT. I think anything's gonna be a legitimate third Mac because there's certain there's certain matches that we see on NXT their main roster worthy. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm trying to explain this to like my mom or something grows more entertainment Smackdown his humor rustling base and actually have to fill that hole now because it was before this this upgrade. It was considered the minor league or the developmental but now you're saying is the third brand was that their brand like what's going to Be the hook, I guess is it the mature rustling but is it going to be that's what we have an answer for them. We just don't have an answer. I think NXT would be it be misguided for them to remove the developmental side of it because I think a lot of when you look at the type of fan that watches and XT or even the type of fan that watches a ew, they're the kind of fans that like seeing people in their new they like seeing scooping them discovering them and be their the kind of people that go to small music like small concerts and and things to find musicians before anyone else. I found them and I think if they get away from that they're going to lose a lot of the audience that they've built within that be new people. But I think that you're not gonna you're not gonna see the developmental part where we've seen some matches where it's just like, oh, they're definitely just testing stuff out. I think that the testing part will not be televised. So you're going to see essentially something that they're willing to go with and if it doesn't work out and they do this on Raw and SmackDown as well that doesn't work out then, you know, they remove it. And start start from scratch, but you're not going to see the you know new person who just got signed to WWE the performance center and now, you know, six months later, they're doing something for NXT, but people backstage or not confident in their ability. Do you think that could be why they're signing so many Indie Stars right now and in an x and x t that they just got a new crop, I think of a big group of people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Garrett. Oh my gosh. She's been around. Forever she's treating some of the people that are on NXT right now. I think it's a combination there. So they're like mean for instance. And as you guys know, I've said it a million times. We talk about later is a track athlete former CrossFit athlete but she's an athlete through an all-around athlete through and through so wasn't hard for her to pick up, you know wrestling not to say it's easy, but certain people just comes, you know easy to so they're siding a lot of like NCAA athletes they're signing and it's a little it different than you know, 15 years ago where people want to be a wrestler and you go to you you have to travel to some random state to wrestling. So there's nothing school's almost everywhere now, so it's a little bit different where you having the Indies but it's almost like a lot of people the majority of people aside from those folks who were NCAA athletes majority them are going wrestling schools because it's something that's attainable. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, I think I'm a big fan of competition. I'm a big fan of They're being other companies for people to go to I think it gives people leverage when they have their contracts, which I always think is really good to have that out there. So people can choose their own path instead of saying I'm stuck with whatever the WWE gives me which is what they've basically been in this they go to Japan or somewhere else, but I think it's really cool. I'm really really excited about it. I'm really excited about getting to see more and more people as I mentioned like a keighley we saw a promo video for keighley and Dominic died. Asia Kovac. Am I say that bad Djokovic? I feel like I always say that wrong. Yeah, and I jeopardize our curve off by a simple. I can't even correct. Yes, but do your research Jack learn the name so but this promo, I don't know what you I'll get your guys thoughts and saying but I loved this problem. I loved how you took two people who let's be honest weren't in in the WWE NXT world. I know and he's people know who they are and everything but in the NXT World they were kind of nobody's right, but They still gave them a promo video like they were the biggest deal in all of wrestling and I thought that was so cool. Are you guys excited for this match? Is it something that you feel like they teased before and so I'm gonna have to do it. Where do you guys stand on that? I mean, I'm just excited that they're giving Keithley an opportunity. I know you're not a fan of his music blah blah blah but us anything because I know you say two million times, but I don't believe there's you for weeks. I mean, it's sure you have some killer music though. And not necessarily afforded opportunities. Like he's it's like they show him and then they pull him back seems like they know what he's capable of and they're just waiting for the right storyline to kind of launch him into the NXT universe. Sure, using hindsight booking and I it does feel like they tease this match and then dominant got hurt and then they were like, let's put keighley on hold until his back and then just go back with what we were originally planning because he has been sort of its kind of India but not not there and I think he's thing with possible it like Matt riddle would have been a good angle to like they had that and then they know something like then Matt Ritter went somewhere else. Oh, you know, yeah, how about you I know six months ago you were what's up? Can we get TK versus flow not know whenever I put money on TK right now? This is what we do when we just like each other but we literally just after you leave we're still here just talking in a dark room not be nice, but I will say this man the promote we saw today really made it sound they were even and now you can pick your Pony you can say man. He has a legitimate reason I believed to be a man with Keith Lee and keeping his legitimate reason to be mad Dominic. I like keighley I thought even though he should have gone. He said he did go over his program at caches on know what could have been a month-long instead of a week-long. Yeah. But yeah, you just kind of hanging out there and we lost the Damien priest couple weeks ago. Oh, I was like is that it? And where's that Hawaiian Guy? What's his name in the cat? Kona Reeves? Yes. Yeah. Okay. I don't know the finest. Yeah, but I mean you haven't seen him either we want to Seco. No reason. I think he has I think he needs to tweak it a little bit but I think he has something different because the thing is you don't want the great thing about NXT. Is that everybody to me is different enough that you their memorable in some way shape before. I'm not remember his name, but I'm like yo, he was there at one point with with Raw and SmackDown you have some people who are like forgettable because they're they fit into they resemble the other person and you're like, oh, well, we only need one jar. So it's just That's why I like about and and XT but he also had something luckily as well. He's had a bunch of mini mini issues with folks, but it's never felt anything HR Keithley. Yeah, we have some issues which one will talk the room. So yeah. So yeah, I'm hoping we see more of more of him Dominic. I'm not I'm not sour on the guy just He just seems like another big guy to me. Where's my backup medium because they're date. They've been dating for a while. There we go. I'm just saying that to me. Yeah. Well, it would be kind of great companies are Basil's crew comes in to get me a Yemen and keighley just comes in and are you just can't adjust time. It's like how dare you smell like baby powder the same way again. I'm just going to smell baby powder. Whatever Big Daddy big do typically sound smells like baby powder and Cocoa Puffs. Doesn't Duty cast weird like big dude. I don't sniff them if you if you take Take a shower and you put lotion on your skin or whatever and cocoa butter guys and you're cooking you're gonna smell like whatever you have to but Speedy promo code So, yeah, thank you hug them. I'm not slipping underneath their armpits, but they're a big dude. Then you smell the essence of whatever they're wearing like the boys at school. I'm speaking a big smelly dudes Bronson and Thorn had a match called transition. How do you guys feel about Shane Thorne coming after these breakout bracket folks you care? I feel like I do and for two reasons one. I think I mentioned before one of my trip that look it's kind of cool. You had a grizzled veteran saying look, it's not fair. You're spending so much time on new Talent. Where's my slot? But to this guy is actively going against breakout tournament participants and Jordan Miles have a title match two weeks from now. I bet he gets involved in that match. It's of a program which is more to his level. So I'm excited to see where that goes because shape Dora Thorin has been knocking around for so long. Yeah, do you do you think he should be at the top do you think he should be a world title Contender Shane Thorne? No, I'm saying that sort of Novel come now because once you once you find out I'm calling you can't find them again because I think he's gonna he's not going to beat them. No, I don't think so because this is like wow, that was that tournament is did nothing then because it kind of came a wet to be compared male classic and the King of the Ring. That's kind of like a oh, yeah, he won. Yeah something TK you had mentioned. In a few weeks back that I thought was really really smart. Was that sometimes people get built up just so someone else can take them down. Maybe this is Shane Thorne building himself. They're building Shane throwing up. So that after miles loses his match. He can rebound and stay up without falling back down because otherwise, what does he do? That's always the tricky thing getting title matches is one thing but if you lose what you do after is almost more important. Yeah, but it's also to what you do in that time period so you get the title match and you have a lead up to the title match. CH you build a name and then you're going to even though the person didn't win that title match, you're gonna remember the name guaranteed for people who didn't watch the Indies and in know who Mia um is or was after this title match you're going to remember her because of such a great match. So even if she rolls back down, you know, I think people still are gonna remember, you know, of course, I'm biased as you know, but people remember Bianca earlier because of the things that she's done even though she didn't get that title match. So it's what you doing that between time. Yeah, even if you don't get the match that Where it's getting some people get you know, they do they don't do it properly and you're like, oh, yeah, I forgot they even had a match. It's not memorable. Yeah and speaking of memorable and the point you had made a little bit ago about people staying out. My big thing was ashamed Thorn is if I was to start describing to you a wrestler. How long would I have to describe Shane Thorn before you realize that's who I was talking about discount, Australia Randy Orton. That's what I always say. I mean without without giving away the Australian thing he He just doesn't stand out to me. He very much Blends in where I thought Bronson stands out. He's someone that you see I feel like he's a serious version of Otis from heavy machinery. Okay, and so I thought I I'm actually really excited about bronze. I thought he was he I want to see more of him. Yeah, the former join a rock. I mean this guy can do the things that they say you can do off top rope has incredible stamina for a guy his size and strength. So his long-term Ranch is gonna be way more impressive. I just didn't feel right when he when he lost tonight, but I guess you gotta make sure you don't let more of a threat. Yeah, I felt watching that. I felt like Bronson was the person I wanted to see more than Shane Thorn when but you're right. I get it. It makes sense. Oz illa by the way, I thought is one of my favorite nicknames for someone. So that was a good name for Bronson that was rant right now, but the any wrestling scene just a little bit. I'm not turning heel guys. I'm just saying I don't like the fact everyone claims to be strong style these days. I don't get it like I how can you Be ghetto strong Stoppers is regular strong Shoppers British song style in Australia Strong Style and the moves are just hard hitting you all can't be strong style and I like the fact that he had the size and strength and he can totally do it. Alright guys, it's me to get that man. We need to get Evan back. I got yelled at by both TK and flow both tonight. Jeez Louise. We like you jack. I like heaven. I'm cracking. I'm joking. I'm joking. You don't become a farmer without being able to deal some people yelling at you know, but yeah real quick. Let's go ahead. I just want to kind of go. Oh, there's one more thing we Didn't cover and that was Mansoor versus Damien. Priest. I Damien priest I think has a cool. Look. I think he has cool music man sewer. I feel like maybe he'll be good some day. I don't think that day is today just to make sure we cover everything. What did you guys think about that match and those people I mean, it's the same thing. Well again, it might change with the two hours even priests like they hype them up. I remember when he died the promo and you know, the video is like, oh my gosh, who's this guy? And then he appeared and then he just disappeared. So I'm hoping with the two hours. Oh my God two hours and it's watch NXT to with the two hours. We love NXT. By the way, I do my I do too. But when you again when you watch like it's a lot I've spoken to wrestlers and I tell them what I do and they look at me like I'm crazy and they're wrestlers right? So it's just kind of like, you know, it's a lie, and you know, believe it or not I cover other Things other than wrestling. So anyways, that's just my personal thing, but I think hopefully they're going to write something interesting for him because right now I'm not I'm not feeling it then embraced. Yeah. Okay. I was like, oh you big monster a fan of french fries. Yeah. He's kind of in limbo right now. I mean, he's the Archer Archer something. I forget exactly that because Mom's the greatest Battle Royale Battle Royal it almost didn't matter like Marlo singing. You're like, okay what are almost tells you that sometimes you need those promos to be so I'm going to between a pretty versus because of that was mentioned before maybe going into the match. I would have cared more but for our minds are had no shot. No shot no chance and if moms are would have one what they say about Keith Lee and Jamie Breese be yeah the lost them on Source. I was a lose-lose for everyone. Yeah. Well, I thought that match was it was whatever I thought. At the show overall though was absolutely amazing. I thought this episode of AfterBuzz TV was a crack in episode. Maybe that's because I was in the Catbird Seat, but as we wind down flow Bunch go ahead and tell everyone where they can find you. No problem. You can find me at flow voice on Twitter at flow beats on Instagram. 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He's also my favorite out of the whole bunch. And I'm your host Miss Conversation Piece. We're gonna dish on news and gossip. We have a new game husband Swap and we have some tweets and much more. So stay tuned to the end. I have Brianna Cheyenne's the left of me. Hi guys. She is not only a diva, but she has all the tea the tweets all of that. So all the messy juice you guys. Oh, yes. And you know me I'm the one who stays mingling with the cast and bringing us the tea right from the horse's mouth. So I can't wait to get into this episode overall thoughts. What do you think of this episode? This episode was actually quite Pleasant and I haven't been able to say that in a really long time. I like the way Jackie went about her situation with Jennifer. I like that Jennifer took the high road and forgiving her it seems like everybody is trying to make amends. As in some type of way some made it some failed but you know, yeah, you see what happens. Would you think? I think it was great to see Jackie being a woman which is something these girls have a problem with doing she comes direct to you. Ask you questions like she did with Evelyn. Did you say this? Do you feel like this and you know, their response may be truthful or not. However, I feel like that was the best way to go about it versus like having a everybody in the building getting into an argument throwing chairs at each other. They were able to have a conversation even though I felt like Evelyn was mine. Oh, yeah. She was definitely lying and it's so crazy because Jack Evelyn your oh gee, you're not you're not Phoebe. What are you lying for own it? She's lying because she doesn't want that that title because it's becoming you know, she's just being a mean girl like yeah making Jackie cry every episode. Lie detector test and just telling her she's not friends and laughing behind her bag and thrown under the bus. It's not right. Don't do your friends like that. Especially not Jackie who's very loyal? Yeah, and they already had a rocky past. So the fact that they were on the up and up and then it just took this steep downhill turn for no reason. It's very disappointing. Yeah, very disappointing and another couple who's disappointed on this show is Kristen and Tom is they finally get a chance to spend some alone time, but they're just wondering If their families ever going to get back on track because Byron hasn't come over for dinner yet and they're not inviting CC. So one do we need to invite both parties or do they need to have a sit down? One-on-one with Byron first, I think because of the relationship between Kristen and CeCe had a downfall because Kristen was so convinced that CeCe was the reason why Byron wasn't coming to the house. I think CC does deserve to be at the dinner because cc is owed an apology as well. And I think that's the only reason Kristen didn't invite her because it would take too much on her to have to bow down say C sub. I was wrong to both of them and I think it would hurt her more to have to tell Cici I was wrong and I'm sorry Kristen was talking in circles the whole time. Yeah, I think she would if it wasn't for the ladies like if she would have been okay to just do it in the comfort of their own home, but she knows it's going to get it dragged out into the learning lady Circle because Cece's gonna tell somebody got Christian apologize to me and she doesn't want to take fault. Right but she's at fault. She even said it like cease he's not the one why is it so hard and you want your family back. Do you want Byron to come see little Kinsey, but you're not willing to do what it takes. Exactly. And when she said I'm going above and beyond I'm doing the most to do what I have to do and you're not you're doing what girls Comfortable and do it not with that fake and bake your kitchen was she didn't cook it but this is the thing and I will stick to this if you cannot cook do not invite me to your house for dinner unless you're going to order that's just what it is. I don't care about the thought I don't care about the effort. Okay, because Byron said every time we go out, I have to pick up the check so they could have brought him out to dinner and pick up the check. Okay? Now if you're going to buy food buy good food because yeah that food on a plate did not look pasty. And now, you know, the cameraman fact are very shady. They zoomed in on that drive chicken and then yams. It didn't look good facts didn't look good at all. That's true. That's true. That's very true. Um, I'm done with her so, you know in the midst of trying to figure out how to go about this apology. She sits Kristen's is with Malaysia Malaysia tells her that he's he's older apology to so I don't know. What's what's going to what is it going to take for Christians who see that she needs to apologize siren. What have to tell her you need to apologize to Cece because Kristen said that she's intimidated by him, which I don't get because you've been married into the family for how long and you're still intimidated by your father-in-law that just shows that there's been a strain in her relationship with Byron and that's why the comments she made about him as a grandfather was so touchy for him because there is it's Clear that there's a strain already what she says. She sees him with his other grandkids and is not the same. Is it because that's not his biological. I mean, he says think so because he doesn't treat he said he doesn't treat Thomas different from his other kids, but he just doesn't like Kristen and so that trickles on the visits to their I think that's what it is. I just think it's the fact that Kristen blatantly does not respect his soon-to-be wife. So he's like, all right. Well, then I'm out and Thomas doesn't respect. I was about to say that too because during their little alone time that they barely get they say he said that some people aren't moving with love. So that's like make an inference that CeCe is doing it for cloud and I don't eyes we've both seen them in here and how they interact with each other. I think it's real love. They're very much in love and CC doesn't have anything to gain from Byron other than what she could get on her own. She has her own business. She is educated. She's very driven. She has her own family. Only here, so it's not like she's here and she's alone. So Byron is kind of just the cherry on top as far as I'm concerned when it comes onto Cece's life. Yeah. I think she definitely has something to bring to the table and another person who has something to bring to the table. Oh gee, she's ready to coach. She's like I've done this for so many years. My team is winning. I want to give back to the girls and teach them what I know and so the coaches that have coached her aren't so sure they're like will give you a shot but Are you sure you're ready to be a counselor and all the things that go along with coaching? Do we feel like oh geez ready with her experience so far, I think seeing how OG has tried to be fair with in the basketball wives group. I could see her being a good person to go to when it comes onto the counselor side. However, the because there are so many different aspects of being a coach and being a leader on a team. I don't know I haven't seen Seen her as a player because they say that she's been a leader on the field but there's still a difference between being a leader on the field and leading a team very true. It's a big difference. But I feel like if you have that passion, she's not ready to let go of basketball and that's what a lot of I'm sorry football. She's you know, basketball-wise, but she loves football. She loves sports and it's just in her and even when Jackie came to support she says I've seen Doug go through when he had to make his transition. He's coaching now. So it's like almost a natural transition. A lot of players go into corresponding. They just not ready to give up the game. It's inside of them and I think with that passion and the women empowerment that she has inside of her. I feel like she really wants there to be a Sisterhood. So I think she'll be good coach. I think I think she can be especially if she has training from her other coaches as well. I I just find it interesting that she is convinced that she and Kwame can start this relationship this family eventually because he'll be looking into playing in the league and the league there and then she'll be and I'm just like, oh gee your schedules are going to conflict non-stop football season and basketball season ordering two different times. So at like, oh wait Kwame as a basketball basketball player. Yeah, so it's not there. You guys are never going to be around. Each other. Well, she's not gonna be flying overseas and he'll be here so it'll be a little better. But even if he's not playing in games, he'll be traveling like he'll be traveling for away games. He'll also have training camps probably during the entire summer if he what if what if he doesn't get it like the LA Clippers or the Lakers. What if he ends up in Golden State? That's it. That's in the bay. Like that's a whole other side of California. Well, hopefully Byron his next we'll get him on the leg. We'll see because that was been pining for yeah. I know Kwame won't take what you can get though. Yeah. Well, it's good to see OG in her element. I think she'll be a great coach and she also sits down with Jackie to let her know what she heard while Jack was outside screaming for Phoebe to come out and why Phoebe didn't come out. So it turns out Evelyn in the crew were kind of like no you're not going out there and in the midst of all of that it was The oh Evelyn Angel friend, right Jackie. So Jackie was very thrown off. She was like, I thought we were building. I thought we were good. But we see the lie detector test. We see all these things from our end and I'm like Why didn't it Dawn on Jackie? This girl is throwing you under the bus because I saw it like three different times within the last three episodes. I think Jackie just wants friendship. So badly that she just keeps giving Evelyn the benefit of the doubt dust is what I think she chooses to be blind. I don't even think she's I think she's just naturally blind because she wants friendship so much that she I think yeah free and she had a lot of friends at the party. She has a lot of friends but to Jackie I don't think there's such thing as too many friends. I mean, would you want to be friends with Evelyn after everything? They went through last season for me once you cross me one time that's a wrap. We're not going to get back to how we were before. Yeah, but a lot of them have had these same, you know falling out and they been able to sit at tables. Go on girls trips. It might not turn out the best but they never turn out the best and that's how they turn into toxic relationships that you go in a cycle over and over and it gets to a point where it's where are you going to just stop? Well, we hope you guys don't stop watching this. We love you guys. So today each and every week making this the ESP n of T v-- talk, please be sure to like comment subscribe. If you're listening to us on iTunes. Give us a 5 star rating Spotify. We're on pretty much all the the listening stream so you can catch us anywhere that's convenient for you. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and interacting with us anybody in the live chat. We see freak said what does Kristen do for a living and then Gladys Reynolds says, I think she does nothing but create problems y'all so shady and you could get a check for that. Yeah, my Shady friends and in the live chat with thank you guys so much for interacting with us. So shaunie's wellville in is well. She's talking about she's gonna be selling weed this fall legally, you know, it's legal now and this is a very lucrative business. She's even thinking about getting into business overseas Chinese about to be doing it. You know, I love her business - yeah, I mean her kids are grown. So she might as well milk it hmm. And Shaq still like her I heard you love talking about Shaq. The only one that loves talking about shay. Hey. Hey. So speaking of that even though shake like so she's tired of being single she needs to go on some dates and Evelyn's tired of being single to it's been almost a year since they've had some is that a long time first of all, that's a lie. Okay, that's a lot but, you know, I am not the kitty cat police. So that's not my business be so big. I mean I but it's Evelyn and Evelyn was recently not recently, but she Spotted with French Montana does that mean she has sex? I mean are it's the possibility is there I'm just saying I don't see it happening for you. But you know, who knows it is possible because I've done it before for two years. Okay. I was upset how long yeah pit stop it is possible. But you know when you have a certain track record is kind of like girl you might be exaggerating a little sometimes you need to give it a break give your stuff a break. Okay, that's the way you know, it's like a detox detox that as well as her insides, you know, sometimes you need to detox. Yeah, that's true. I think you detox from your ex because that's toxic sometimes as well. So they go on this speed dating events and they first they talk about how it is. Just meeting guys, like guys are intimidated by their exes. They are very wealthy powerful men. They're known it's kind of hard to go from that to a guy who works at Cedar Sinai or something. I don't know. The Ashton and I don't know it's different I think for men it is intimidating because they're so ego-driven. However for the women I feel like we just looks and say do you have your own? Can you add on to what I have will you elevate me? You don't have to have multi-millions like my ex just support me. Sometimes Egypt even just the emotional support is better than the financial support that gets tricky for me because I feel like a lot of wealth E women get tricked into things because I get Deema ties door just get emotionally attached and then these men take advantage of you, especially when you're older and like a cougar with money. I feel like it's happened to Halle Berry is happened to what's-her-name Sherri Shepherd, like all these women. They have meant even Wendy Williams, you know, these men are on their level. With her with Wendy Williams and who her husband her husband is on her level he was her manager, but he's trying to get spousal support now that she's divorcing him. So it's like these men aren't on your level and they're trying to take you for your money and but go buy a car for their mistress. I don't like that. So I feel like women have to be very careful when it comes to selecting someone when they have money because men will sell you a dream even if you you're not in that situation so level. In that situation. I'm just glad that we're in a time where women are kind of more hip to the game because you'll see a lot of women pimping like playing these dudes out here and I'm just like, yes, you better check it like let him think that he's running things bold time. Yeah, like you party hard. I like how she moves I'm just yeah, so I just I just say why So for that, but yeah, we want to see the girls final of these dates though. It's you know, I downloaded a dating app and I'm not feeling it. I was like the girls like why am I here? Like I rather be single then do the day nap and the speed dating because it's like the weirdest of the weird guys. Are there like this is the bottom of the barrel right here. I don't know. It's just weird because when I came out to LA it seems like being on dating apps is the norm. And on the East Coast that's not it like if you're on Tinder or something, you're a weirdo like you're desperate. So when I came out here and everybody's like, oh, there's hinge and black and then I'm like, oh my God, so I just go on it for fun. Not really expecting anything. But yeah, there are a lot of weirdos out there and I feel like these days when you just let it fall in your lap and let it happen. Organically. I think those are the healthiest just gotta get out ladies. He's not going to break into the house. So you got to get out. Be able to meet people because I know it me, I'll stay inside and that's my problem. Like who am I going to meet? He's not gonna break in your house. So true that little issue I get out there. Yeah, that is true. I look very intimidating in general. So guys don't really approached me until they see me smile and then they tell me that I look mean like, oh, I guess that's gonna make me want to give you my number because to me now, I feel like you look like a punk but to each their own. Yeah. I'm not sure. About speed dating haven't gone yet, but the apps I'm done with those. But yeah, those days were looking courage. They had a mixture of like super old with gray beards and then somebody that was 22. So I'm like, how do we know? Like, how are we gay aging? Because I feel like that's a waste of time. It was a waste of time. I think it was just a comedic break. Honestly The Producers just through that together because let's be real Shaunie and Evelyn do not need to go on no speed dating thing with the general public what they want to meet regular guys. They don't know they don't know they don't know they don't every single camera. No, they don't. No they don't so CC and Jackie they meet up as well. We don't really see them one-on-one a lot. But she talks about the podcast that she's going to do and she tells about Evelyn giving her this lie detector test and that's when she realizes maybe Evelyn is in my friend. You know, she's hearing from oh jeez Hanna from Seas. See so now it's a light bulb but she still invites her to the Roundtable Jackie Christie project, which I'm excited for. I think it'll be something I would listen to what do you think to learn about the wives in girlfriend and groupie mentality of these girls that date I would I would listen to it if it's non Basketball Wives show women if it's real life Basketball Wives living in the moment as wives. I Listen to it for entertainment purposes. I was thrown off though because At first she said it was going to be lifestyle entertainment and sports and then she went straight into sex. So I'm like, oh so it's just a Girls Chat thing girl, you know, Jackie needs to be a sex therapist just - she should that's what she should make. It just say it's a sex podcast That's Entertainment to yeah, and she loves to talk about it and do it and all that stuff. So I think that would be super amazing for her a good opportunity. Unity, but she was also sad that Evelyn and shiny didn't show Jen even show - yeah, she was mad at her for how she was acting and once again how Jackie handled it she was able to sit down pull her to the side say Hey, you know, I'm sorry in June was able to accept it and I feel like things could be so much easier things went like this. Would you be able to forgive Jackie if she did something like that to you? I wasn't that mad she did. Will be different if she came in and wrecked the place now backs she didn't so she was just like come outside. No, she did say a college that God. That's what she did. Yeah, wait until the speech was over but besides that was okay. Yeah. I mean I've yeah, it could have been a lot worse seeing knowing Jackie's track record. Yeah. She could have knocked some shoes over. It could have been champagne everywhere. You know, she didn't do that bad. So it was forgivable. Let's see. Who else Evelyn so by her not showing up do do we not invite people anymore. Once they do two three to know shows is that mean you're not my invite list anymore? Yeah, like what am I gonna keep on it? But it's literally it's just like what Byron said when he was talking about the situation with Kristen. I keep reaching out to you and you have excuses as to why I can't come O Kenzie sleeping can see the school Clinic He's at a daycare. I keep hitting a wall eventually. I'm going to say okay, forget it and I'm just gonna go about my way. So why am I gonna keep on inviting you so you can keep on embarrassing me in proving that I don't care when I always show up to your event. Jackie goes to every single event someone puts together and their support and their she can't go she sends a gift. Hmm. She's very supportive. You know that wrong for that. Y'all should be at her Ponderosa podcast and quit playing with her emotions. Yeah, Shaunie and Evelyn. That's your friend. Okay, she just wants everybody to lift each other up and not tear each other down and I think she's doing well with therapy. I think this is helping her like just be mature look that therapist. I told you. Oh, she's she's our old show. Well, let's get into our special segment. We have husband swap. Tell us about it. Yes, so instead of invasion of the closet snatchers, we have husband swab. Now. We have amazing relationship goals here. Basketball Wives so two husbands and let's be clear. We do not condone wrecking home. Okay, however, we can have aspiration. So if we were to swap husbands, who would you choose between Byron or Doug Christie? You know what I think Jacob would be okay with swapping. No, you know what? I remember that time Malaysia is that she was going to say what son she's crazy. She was outside. But you know, I think CCM Byron are meant to be but I really love how Byron treats her. I love how he you know with her no matter what like on her team you enemy. Yeah, he's a partner. He's a partner and he has her back. I like Doug to because he gets married every year. So I want a man to shower me with romantic things and you know, I don't like that. You would do that too, though. I don't think he would get married every year. He probably wouldn't get married. Yeah, you like CC sit down. Yeah, I would choose I would choose doug because I see a lot of the Antics that Jackie does and I see a lot of myself in her and I always say it's going to take a strong man to handle me and my personality's Laurel and so I just respect Doug so much because he must have so much confidence. Since in himself as a man yes to be able to handle what a woman Jackie is and still support her and let her be who she is without trying to change her. Yeah, and I just admire that so much so I loved us you know what I like him too. I don't know if his strong is what I see. I mean, I don't think he has no backbone or anything but I just feel like he's just a free spirit. Like he just lets her be you know what? I mean? I don't see him like I think that is the free spirit. They're both you think he's a free spirit. Yeah. He's the Cool Head. Yeah, that's why I say free spirit. That's cool. Oh, that's what you consider. Oh, I see when I think free spirit. I think la-di-da Sunshine rainbows and butterflies and cool spirit. I see okay, you know cool it down bring it down anchor anchor it out a little bit at that because I know I need that. I need that in my life. I don't know. That was a tough one. But yeah, they're both good men. Yeah, they're both amazing. I so lucky. All right, let's get into our trending tweet. Yes. Let's see what you guys do. Talking about at sexy he and mommy is Texas on another planet if Kristen wants her daughter to see her father get on a damn plane and go visit him. Kristen must be spoiled because she expects everyone to code to her girl. If you don't take that baby to see her grandparents, hashtag, stop it girl you be trippin. That's a fact because I like Texas like this Europe or something right at Nina's world. E7 says OG needs bigger shoes that big toe always hanging out. Shout out to the producers because touji in the filled. Why are they so shady on the show? I don't know but we were weak at yv Willis one Evelyn girl, you realize all this stuff is going to are right. You actin like there's not footage on this going down and then you lie on pain a lie. That's the The word cause you got to keep on lying and lying lying and then defend yourself when you get called out ever unions about to be lit. Oh, yeah, it is at the book of underscore a I'm surprised you didn't call her podcast of Ponderosa. I was thinking that the same thing. Yeah Ponderosa podcast. That would be a nice ring at Man of Steel underscore x k at Jackie Christie. We love you so much Jackie, but why why is it old but it is a but Only so much we can take you are not addressing anything involving Evelyn's lies on you at all. You are bowing down kissing her ring and letting her play you into a false pretence of friendship because I told you guys Jackie really loves friendship. She will play she will act a fool as long as somebody's will say you're her friend, but this is the thing. She's not really seeing the the lie detector test with a did it for me, but exactly nothing everything. She's Not seeing when at the skate party, she's like oh Jackie did it or you know at the at the court, you know, she's not she's not really in the moment. I feel but I think when it's brought to her by cc is Dawning on her like yeah, this girl isn't my friend, but why does it have to be brought to you by somebody you barely have a relationship with what versus someone you've known for years, you know someone who's been Shady for years and you were still getting over a bad fall out. You just had last year. Yeah, that's true. But it is It's like being in a bad relationship. Sometimes you're free. I got to be like girl. Your man ain't ish. Just leave them. You know. Well, I mean in a relationship you getting you getting some and in a friendship, you're not just saying. Well, let's get into a little bit of news and Gus that see what this he is. Oh, I have a little tea because Evelyn was on the scene at the big three championship game with her kids. She brought Carly. Oh Crawford and Shanice was there as well but here's a picture if you're listening on iTunes, this is Thomas Kristen Carl the Junior and and Evelyn. I didn't know they were so close. But there they are. Where is Luke NZ and and speaking of that. I have a picture of Snoop Dogg another friend, Kristen and Evan. They've been in the scene pretty tough together and that's her new Jennifer. That's her new Jennifer and we see LeBron showing Carl love he has on a James jersey. So cute as can the big three Championship. It looks like somewhere is the place to be now getting into our next piece of news. We have Sharif who got a tattoo of shaunie's face on his arm and Shaunie was super surprised at it. Yes, I was ER who did it. I think they they put it in the article. But yeah, it's a pretty dope tattoo of Chinese face. She's looking really gorgeous in the picture. I'm glad I picked a good picture. He said I'm glad the tattoo artist. Did her justice. Definitely there's a picture right there. So it's on her Instagram as well as Cherise Instagram if you want to take a look but he's showing his mommy love after she took care of him after his heart surgery. So I love that gotta show. Love to Mama. Yeah. All right. Let's get into our projection. Well, you know what I want to do something special before we get into that. I want to give some fans shout outs because like I said, we love love love when you guys interact and leave comments. So we have vodka with Three Olives who leaves comments. Regularly. Mermaid Adams has a Alston Felicia Coleman cool guy. The one NCO Soul she says Conversation Piece looking like a conversation piece and that angel Brinks outfit. Thank you girl, Brittany Richard your pal. Again, thank you each and every week for coming through little cupcake. We appreciate you girls and guys. Thank you so much how we can get into her predictions what's gonna happen girl? You look like a gypsy to make my predictions will come true. I think. Um Kwame and oh, geez relationship is going to hit a speed bump because she's really pushing for this family thing. He's not very enthusiastic about it. That's how men are they want their careers and their professional lives together and then they worry about that personal stuff qualms. He's in this weird head space where he's still trying to figure out what country he's about to be in. So this whole family thing is just going over his head. I think oh jeez going to get you know, really aggressive about it and I just don't see it. I mean it's going to end fine because I don't think they're going to break up but I do think it's they're going to hit a bumpy road. I don't think so. I think they're going to get stronger now that he comes back home. He's not going to want to like come home and get right into like let's have a family and I don't even think OG is I think she just wants to have that conversation. Like are we on this path? Like are we still good? Oh, I think she said you don't think she just she said I don't feel like she's like super pressuring him because she wants him to have stability as well as a job. You know, she's doing great things. She's going to law school. She's returned for football. Now. She's coaching. She has clothing line. She has a lot going on. So I just feel like she's just as adamant about her career is he is and I feel like that is the making of a power couple and I feel like either way whether he plays in a league. He's a correspondent. Is assistant coach to Byron, he'll figure something out. You know, I'm sure he will ya but my prediction I feel that Tammy is going to officially quit the show. I thought she had already quit because we hadn't seen her in a while. So we see her in the Montage. She's like I'm over it. I think this is gonna be her exit out. She's like no girls trip for me. I'm not going on she's not going on that girl's trip. She doesn't even shoot with the ladies exactly. She's only shooting with algae and whoever else she wants to see it with But yeah Pam, he's officially done and this Costa Rica trip. I feel like just seeing how Chinese like taking a bag of whatever Jennifer said. She's going to leave Jennifer back. She's not going to take her on the trip. So I think she'll be excluded from the trip as well as Tammy and this will be some drama. I don't know who it's gonna be drunk. Oh, yeah. I think OG will push Evelyn ambushes. Yeah. I like that. I think it's an accident how Convenient hmm. I would love to push them out in the bushes. My grandma bad. Oh shout out real quick to Cameron Cruz 1974. Hey panelist have not yet watched the episode. Just wanted to say hello and that I look forward to watching the great discussion with you both. Thank you so much Cameron. Thank you for tuning in. I hope we didn't spoil anything, which you probably just got here just in the nick of time to catch our predictions, but we appreciate you and everybody else that's been in here Faithfully. Yes, we appreciate you guys and this tends to be the end of the episode. I'm so sad. Did we leave off anything? Is there anything you want to touch on? No, I think we covered everything we did we did. So you guys next week. We're going to bring you another jam-packed episode full of news and gossip and tweets and all the juicing is that you need to talk about Basketball Wives and I'm your host Miss Conversation Piece. You can keep up with me on Instagram @ Mi SS. 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All right, let's go into a little bit about what the f we have been up to in the last week because we know you're dying to know right actually. I thought people were bored to hear about us by the way Casey but someone the other day said, I actually love that part of the episode. I think it makes us relatable and real and like we're BFFs and they are like we're going through struggles just as much as they are and it's nice. Here that I think right. I mean my life is basically perfect. Everything's going great. I mean I couldn't ask for anything else this week. I just hit a million dollars and it's great. So what's wrong with you? Oh, yep, same here. Perfect getting up. Perfect eight hours of sleep every night with no sleeping meds necessary. I am rolling in the dough over here. My student loans actually got forgiven last night. So things are looking up for me here. Yes and let the financial podcast. We had so many sponsors. Reach out to us. Just wanting to pay our bills, which is so sweet. Thank you so much. Love you to death. Hashtag blessed guys. Okay, not really real shit. So I have a question for you. Yeah, and I'm sure people listening part of my job right now is developing an outreach program. That means like getting credentialed with insurances and filling out the think it's to see a qh application when you were working for your company where you credentialed Yeah, I was but I think it actually the amount of work that it takes to do it. I worked there for a year. How long did it take you I think I brought about the final insurance. I literally think it was like two weeks before I left. She's like that's what I'm scared of also, they filled it out for me, which was nice because I wouldn't really know what to do. But so getting credential with insurance is a pain in the ass working with insurance as a pain in the ass writing reports for insurance is also a pain in the ass. And also on a personal note was somewhat health issues what insurance won't pay your bills that's also a pain in the ass like what insurance sorry side note. This is my little rant and I'm not going to insert a personal insurance provider like when they pre-approve me getting three prosthetic fingers and then when push came to shove they hate were to like out of the three. I lost them for the same reason. So I'm going to save my F-bomb, but I would like to use it and insert insurance provider, but I won't. Oh my God, that's insane. Yeah, yeah, I know that the insurance world is hard and a VA. We just have to keep pushing guys and we are a like we're at evidence-based leading treatment for autism and it is proven time and time again insurances will catch up to how awesome we are so that I don't I don't think it's a matter of insurance catching up to how awesome we are. I think it's like oh my God this profession this evidence-based treatment worked, but holy crap, they need a lot of Where's we are paying a shit ton out of pocket. So we're going to try screw them in every way we can that's personally how I feel about insurance. Yes, like, you know, I also I didn't really sleep. Well last night so expect me to be real real today. Okay, I think someone texts posted in one of our things that when do you sleep or window like with all with the teaching classes with the podcasting with working with everything? It's a hashtag hustle guys. And today we are tired, but We are here because we love you. Okay, and I'm sure you could see me today as to why I use that flower filter on Instagram. Yeah, thank you so much. I mean what I look like right now if you could see through here all the spots I get from Scleroderma. Oh, yeah, I can see. Yeah, it's okay girl. You're so beautiful. All right, so we're also going to continue on with our reinforcing review of the day. So we are taking a review From Apple podcast we are so grateful that you guys are leaving us good reviews. So reinforcing for our Behavior to continue, but this one is from Samantha F. And it went to put her last name for anonymity HIPAA HIPAA hashtag HIPAA. It's she says and she's so sweet. You guys literally give me life and motivation best thing to listen to if you want to learn something about a be a related understand ABA and laugh at the same ethic time. Thank you, Samantha. Ah, we pride ourselves in being able to make you guys laugh and learn laugh and learn. Yeah, we decided to do this podcast. Could we love talking but I have to say and I know everyone who's in our classes we teach is probably like okay Leon and Casey shut the f up referring to your podcast, but it's actually amazing. We're not actually doing the podcast in any order for the way that we teach to align with it, but there are certain things where I'm like actually go listen to episode 3, trust me, you will understand the difference between In mentalism and behaviorism so it just happens to work out well and hope this nicely ads or enhances your study experience. That's very true. It is I think a lot of the topics we tie into every episode and so it is beneficial to listen to all the episodes starting with the teaser all the way to this one. Alright guys. Well without further Ado, I think it's time that we we get into today's topic. Alright, so today's topic hits super close to home for me. It's also a huge problem in our society today. It is addiction people don't want to talk about it. It's considered taboo, you know, it's hid behind closed doors, but it is affecting people all over the world. It's a Epidemic and it doesn't discriminate between what type of person some people like. Oh, it's just junkies on the street. That's bullshit. Okay. It could be a house Mom. It could be you know, in this case we have my sister here. She's a gorgeous only 30. Yeah 30 years old and she you know has a great story to tell us it's a sensitive topic, but we are here to also provide support. I'm going to shout out some hotlines that You can go to a few may need to get help yourself or help for other people. So there's groups called Alcohol Anonymous Narcotics Anonymous allanon, which is helpful for people maybe a sibling or friend or a parent of somebody who has an addiction. Also. There's the national hotline for Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services. The number is 1-866-376-8255 say And they're open 24/7 their English and Spanish. They're super confidential and a little hashtag empiricism fact in 2018. They received 68,000 calls per month. That's I'm sorry to be a little bit exact Casey but it's sixty eight thousand six hundred eighty three, you know, we don't round up and you know, I you know, I didn't say that was because I didn't know how to say it as a number. I was like wondering why you're saying it I was like I was Like Casey Casey the comma means thousand you like I played that off like a stick. Alright. Anyways, guys wow master's degree. Thank you Masters. What? I know National drug helpline is another one. It's one eight hundred six, three, three, three, two, three nine. Awesome. It's actually one eight eight eight six. Three three, three, two, three, nine Lord. Help us Lord. Help us. I mean, it just shows how we work. I'm okay. I'm glad that you got your like my eyes. It's because my lines not printed and I'm reading on my computer. Anyway, I'm telling you it's a huge difference. I'll learn that behavior next time also guys, we are not Professionals in any way when it comes to this so don't use us in place of seeking professional help, please that's why we're giving you these resources and we hope that if you do need some help or help for someone, you know that you will use the resources totally. Alright, so when people hear the word Addiction they immediately think of substance abuse but people could be addicted to a variety of self-reinforcing behaviors. It constantly checking your phone checking social media exercising. I wish that was a little bit more of an exercise. I mean an issue that yeah God sex food abusive relationships God. I'm tired today, by the way. I'm not trying to get it to further talk about this topic, but I Feel like I lately have been addicted to checking social media. I'm just saying like between same here, but getting between the behavior bitches podcast Instagram Behavior bitches podcast Facebook Behavior bitches email so study notes a via email study notes a be a resource share study notes 88 new bcba group we started and but all the emails I literally feel like my brain is fried. So I need to insert some self-care there. But anyways, all the things you could be. Did to exercising sex food abusive relationships gambling Etc. So let's go into a little background on addiction and tie in some Behavior principles before we introduce our amazing guest. So I did some research and although addictive behaviors may be influenced by genetic environmental and behavioral factors addictive behaviors are learned hashtag operant behaviors, and they are reinforced by the effects of Behavioral choices. This made me think of hashtag matching. A lot right Behavior goes our reinforcement flows where it feels good using a drug or whatever you're doing that feels good. That's what your behavior is going to flow according to the National Institute of drug abuse for teens children of parents with addiction problems are at increased risk of addiction themselves because they are learning the same behaviors guys. When you see a behavior you are learning that behavior so a huge thing we need to do to make new pair. Asians that don't reinforce The Addictive behaviors is we need to use a dra now if you're listening and you're in the field era is differential reinforcement of alternative behaviors, so we want to find replacement behaviors for these drugs or for the drug use which we know is difficult, but we will get further into that but let's get into our guest. I'm so so so excited Our Guest is here today, and I'm so happy to meet someone who's connected to you Casey. And I'm sorry that this is the topic that we have to bring someone on for but I'm also so thankful because this is not a joke and this is something that way more people than you or I or anyone listening realizes go through. I mean I kind of know because I do pride myself on and I probably don't even know I pride myself on being an avid intervention listener hence the music that must have been inserted earlier but today Gas is actually Casey's fabulous and brave sister who's first-hand experience with addiction and she's ready to tell all of you her story her journey the good and the bad the ugly the ugly and everything in between so that maybe she can save one person listening. I know that speaking to Casey before the podcast. She had mentioned that her sister Kaitlyn who's here was a little nervous to do it but excited with the thought of if I could save one. And by doing this podcast, I know I've helped one person. So thank you so much for coming. And so we ought and I are going to jump in and interrupt her where it's appropriate. Ask her some questions and insert some behavioral principles at work that we see as applied Behavioral Analyst, and we're going to try to shred some topic or some light on this very serious and hard to talk about topic. So we'll get into some facts later, but I think right now I just want to say to my sister Caitlin. Thank you for Being here firstly thank you for having me. You are a badass for coming out and telling your story to thousands. Yeah, that's right. We have that many listeners. Hope it's more soon. Just kidding. I am so proud of you as your sister. I know that you were nervous, but also excited to come talk about this because you have a very personal journey to share. So let's start into some questions and See how it goes. Okay, and I am here to support you. I got your back. We have our large iced coffee. We're holding each other's yeah, and yeah, by the way again, thank you so much for coming. Literally you doing an episode like this. I could tell you just from our abuse episode we had so many people reach out and say wow, like thank you so much for talking about gas lighting or thank you so much for talking about this is Thing that I didn't know that other people were experiencing or I mean, I'm sure you know, some people might be dealing with this with a sibling or something and they feel embarrassed like oh, well, this makes me like a lower caliber which is not true at all and I could even tell you how I relate in some sense not at all to the degree, but I'm just saying that this could happen to anyone. This is someone who has their shit together. This is a lawyer. This is a doctor that says no one who's beneath any Anyone else? So I urge you to listen with entirety, please stop whatever you're doing. If you're driving pull over well getting your tissues out. Yeah. No, it's fine. All right. So let's start Kate. Let's start from the beginning. Okay and talk to me about maybe we kind of had this similar childhood, but maybe things that were different than I didn't experience. Like can you remember things from your childhood that may have been an antecedent event a setting event, too? Or Journey. Oh most definitely we did have the same we grew up in the same home. But Casey was always off and running. Oh nothing's changed. And so I was the one who was attached to my mom's hip and saw the first hint violent abuse from one of her husband's and seeing the drug her drug use firsthand as well. It was more she tried to hide it but I think that a lot of my things in my childhood definitely made me feel the need to be numb. So do you would you think of it as like you were escaping like a verse of negative feelings that you had or memories most? Definitely. I think that's why everybody is you know, that does drugs has some type of reason why they want to be numb why they want to escape reality because of you know trauma that has happened in her childhood or even in their adulthood. So get it as quickly. Sorry just because I as I'm going to try be the outside Source because I know you know some of it going on Casey but are you saying your mom had an addiction issue as long as you can remember? Yes and same with our fathers. Yeah, both of our parents. Okay. So this is something that you saw. Yeah, and it was like really like a learned behavior. Right? And like I had mentioned previously guys that children of addicts are more likely to become. X themselves because it's something that they've learned over the years and it's maybe something all that they know and typically when you have drug abuse in the home you also are going to have violence and actually thing called the Asus and it's like a scoring on like a aversive events in your childhood that can you can you know was a parent incarcerated were your parents divorced and you're more likelihood to engage in those things. Behaviors Escape maintained, you know addictive behaviors and when you grow up seeing an adult do the same thing that escaping in that numbing you learn that behavior as well as a something that is normal. That isn't normal. But you kind of learn those same behaviors as a know. What can I do if this happens and I want to not think about it or I want to run away from it. If you can't physically run away from it, you're 90% going to go to drugs or anything else. Jim sex gambling anything right totally and I think that I mean I'm just gonna say how strong a parent modeling goes in terms of learned behaviors. Like recently. I'm sure you guys know that I got this little French Bulldog Pavlov when I got him he was literally the size of like half my shoe size. I'm a size 8 and 1/2 so maybe like a size 4 and I went to someone a friend of mines house who's a mom and her kids were like freaking out like as if and I'm like what like this mom had modeled this behavior and this Obviously not related to drugs but I'm just saying these kids who like this tiny animal they had modeled their parents Behavior even like about like fear of a dog, right? And the dog was literally the size of like a rabbit a small rabbit. So yeah, so I mean this just goes and does coping mechanisms that they see from their parents and Casey when we had the podcast the other day, like I realized a lot of things my dad was saying about bit like money have a deal with that like I've seen these things modeled from a young age, right? So it was like, oh, yeah. Okay. This is what I saw a standard and not knowing a difference and so a lot of people who have been through abuse or drugs. You don't know anything different. No, you don't and your behavior is almost being shaped, you know, a hundred percent in our childhood. It was great. Yeah. I mean we're in again. I want to shut up my mom. We love you so much. She did the best with what she had like her skills, and she was amazing a single mom shoutouts to all the single moms out there. Addiction again, it doesn't discriminate and she had childhood childhood aversive events that led to her abuse. And that's a cycle. You know what I mean? And then it continued to you know her children. Luckily. I mean, I'm sure I'm addicted to many bike like exercise being perfect. Like I like my glass of wine after work or my whiskey soda, but I was gonna I thought it was a vodka soda. That's what I well it's yeah. Yeah, it can be either or I was luckily. I didn't have the experience like the very reverse of experience like childhood trauma that Caitlin will talk about who's older who's older by the way me the Casey controlling one control. Yeah. I'm obsessively controlling. So that is not a good thing either but I had to like always make sure everything was you know, perfect and you know, too Take care of my sister and I was always at this anxious little like worrywarts that I still continue to be and try to practice some skills, but and I don't want to get I don't want to like push anything too far so you could always just tell me likely. Ah shut the hell up. Nothing is off-limits. I told her that what was yeah. I just tell people like I told Casey yesterday. She's like, I think I need to like start working on my real job a little bit more liad and I'm like, okay, just tell me to f off that's fine boundaries. Yeah working on it. I don't think Either of us have really good ones. But so if I say do you feel like there was maybe one triggering event in particular? I mean, I know it was Model Behavior, but I don't know and you might be likely out you ignorant piece of shit. You just watch intervention. You don't know anything but I feel like based on the intervention that I do want and when I say watch intervention, I mean I've watched like every season like binge-watch. Yeah. Yeah, and it seems like and I'm not saying this is what you want to do, but was there something I saw a lot of people there was a consistent theme I've seen is either like sexual abuse of some sort. I don't know if that's always an event. Like was there some kind of an exciting event in particular that then Further that like so something went on and then it then you use behaviors that you had seen modeled before was there something in particular most definitely and I was going to talk about that when I was 13. I lost my virginity when I was raped at a party. So that was a huge underlying if anything had showed me just a throw me right into the throes of addiction. I think from then on I have been indicted ever since. Yeah, that's a horrible horrible thing. That's that's their terrible, but It seems like it's obviously so it's not just me being like ignorant watching intervention. It is a consistent theme. I mean not the only thing obviously but yeah, I think it's a buildup of a lot of things but when something that traumatic happens at such a young age and you have seen these behaviors and you've seen what to do when these things happen and you don't have the right coping skills or support center support system. That's what you tend to go to or resources, like not everyone can afford to send their kid to the all these like Rehabilitation or therapy centers. I mean I said, you got a single mom. So these are all also variables that play into this. So I think that also led to like your mental health disorders. So what were you diagnosed with anxiety ADHD PTSD bipolar? Yep, and that's like, you know, if you don't have the insurance or the money to go to like proper therapy, they Prescribed you all these pills and you know, I'm insurance companies and doctors are you know, so prescribed happy like you go in and it's like there's could be such a simple therapeutic like way to deal with the issues that you're having a just prescribe pills. Yeah. It's like hearing a pill Mill up. I mean don't get me wrong. I am like if you saw my I mean I have bragged about my pill box before on the study notes Instagram just because I was so proud of my organization method. I mean, I was on lots of pills even before I I want all these lupus stuff, but right but like what I look at it, but I also like when we talk about and behavior we talked about doing things in combination are like, okay, if you're using punishment, you need to make sure you're reinforcing something else with it. So like I was on these pills, but I also came from a side where my family was able to put me in the right support system. So like you didn't have that so you had to find that out somewhere else like you needed to address those issues elsewhere. R so it seems like a few variables need to be in line, right and I think when you talk about the motivating operation, right so for my sister let her tell you but when she first started, you know her, you know drug addiction. How old were you when you first tried drugs? Eleven eleven eleven when I was first prescribed painkillers from an operation in what was well Henry team or your ovaries. My appendix was when I was 10 and then my wow those when I was 12 and then so you're the motivation there is that you're in pain, right? And the taking of the prescription drugs make you feel bad that you're prescribed by a doctor so you don't think that it's you know, It's not a bad thing. I'm not going to they don't tell you that you could become addicted to it like that then they don't and so her motivation was to remove the pain. It was right negatively reinforced. All right, so removing something removing the pain and reinforcement because you're increasing the future frequency that that's what you do when you're in pain exactly and that's exactly what it was when even my periods having endometriosis. Is every month I was on I was prescribed Percocet at from 9 10 years old on so we're talking like 2015 20 years of being prescribed something. It's just sad to me. Sorry to interrupt but like I'm just like makes me so effing mad that like someone who's going through like pain like so you had a lot of childhood, you know with your endometrial to endometriosis, which I witnessed you would projectile vomit every Month you were so sick your your operation for your appendix blah blah, but like it's like not fair that just because you had you know, painful stuff that you now are prescribed these like highly Adept highly addictive as a child pain meds were I was I didn't have any medical medical issues growing up. So I never was prescribing it there. So I wonder what would happen if I had been if I had a taste of what she had a taste them. I've never tasted any of that stuff like taste. By meaning taking it but like so fast forward a little bit can tell us about as so you say as a kid. You were prescribed those pain meds and then did that turn to like more recreational. Yeah. It didn't I can't remember even being in high school and taking those pain meds ever really withdrawing from them. I just always be always being on them or they were drawn me not realizing the gravity of it of how much your body needs these. Hmm. I don't ever remember going through any of that. I don't know if it's because I was consistently taking 80-milligram oxycottons a day two or three times a day or and then I got prescribed with my back pain when I was 20 right after I write before I had my son and they had me on oxycodone and oxycontin and Fentanyl patches in Morphine pills my insurance would not allow the Oxy Cotton with oxycodone. So they made me try the fentanyl patch and the morphine pills before they would pay for the Oxycontin which Fentanyl patches is for people who have cancer. I've had them before. Yeah. I was 20 21 years old being prescribed things that are more addictive than what I was actually on and like so wait. This also okay at someone with a chronic illness who is so it's also a fine line. So it's a matter of When you're an agonizing pain, let's just talk about ammos and the moment. Okay, so Mo remember that means like how valuable consequence a reinforcer is to you in that moment get it mo men. So as someone who has lupus and thank God knock on wood. Ends up in the hospital quite a bit when I go in there and I am in excruciating pain. I'm talking about pain where I'm like, I mean, I'd let's say it my fingers were coming off right and that moment there is nothing more valuable to me than I go in there and I'm like get me Dilaudid now like now and I am counting down the seconds till I could get it. So in one sense, it's like that thing is so valuable to you in that moment. And so the doctor is doing what they can to help but Also, I mean you also need someone educated along the way to be like, okay, this is not going to happen. This is dangerous and I was telling how can a case we always talk before the episodes and and I am above the day. Yeah. Okay, I get it. I'm coming down you can't and so what for so my typical regimen is it I go into the hospital the flare up. I'm typically like highly dehydrated that point it turned into me like Ting and Daya ring everywhere and like can't move can't get my shirt off can't do anything like screaming in pain and I'm like, okay I need fluids into lot that now right immediately. Yeah. And in that moment that is all that is valuable to me. It is now it wanders your behavior, right? Your behavior is gonna do whatever I need to do right? It's gonna it's gonna have an evocative effect on behavior in terms of make me do whatever I need to do to get it. So what it's like to be on here. Lynn that's exactly so I was telling Casey and I know we're gonna get into like the fact that you've recently been to the hospital something for your tooth. And so I mean at one thing I would be like well a few doctors like, how are you not giving me these meds right now and and yes, I have gone into the hospital times now where I will be in a different city like New York or something visiting my sister and I end up in the hospital with a flare up and here I am this young adult who might look fine on the outside. So I immediately they're like, nope. Sorry. We're going to give you Tylenol and I'm like no no no Fu I need to lauded. Now. I know as soon as you say it like that. It's like okay. She's an addict thinking Behavior. Yeah, right. So before they know it, I mean, would you take that little seeking Behavior? Yeah. So I've never heard that pill seeking behaviors guys. Guess what they know. So by the way, it's also shaped my behavior. I know how to go in now and how to ask but I mean I since my fingers came off I was telling Casey yesterday. I think it My situation a little bit because it's like no. No, I really am sick. Like I need to see an observable Behavior permanent product right here. My fingers came off. So this is obviously a legit thing but I it's shaped my behavior in a sense of like knowing how to ask. I like. So I like to go to the hospital where I know they have all my medical records like this girl has a real thing, but if I'm in another place, it's like all right this young adult wants drugs. There's an opiate epidemic and so for it. Yes, and and it It almost feels it increases the value of that reinforcer even more. It's like I achieved something. I got it. Yes. Mmm Burr seeing our dad in the hospital and he was really I mean like super super super sick and so many surgeries and open wounds and they were pursuing, you know, giving him Dilaudid every four hours and you know, it started becoming not enough and then his behavior would be yelling at the nurses getting angry, you know. It seemed like it was it was just a never-ending cycle is that he'd get his meds. He'd be happy and high and like fun to be around and then as it started wearing off he would it was almost like he was already entering that withdrawal phase and then of course they send you home and don't give you anything and it's like for three months you were just on that and then you're going to seek other behaviors. I think that brings us into asking Kaitlyn. So what you were prescribed all these pills, right? Did they just like stop prescribing you and what happened? What was it like setting event for why you turn to your drug of choice with his heroin right? Be real and honest here because that's what we do at the behavior bitches podcast. Yes, so I was on these painkillers for maybe three years and when I got taken off of them for having something in my system in one of my urine test for having something in my system that they were prescribing. I think that it was getting to the point in this whole epidemic where they were trying to pull back. They are realizing that a lot of these people have these problems and this addiction because of the prescribing happy that the prescribers get when they're like, oh, here's this this and there you are on what Oxycontin oxycodone 30 milligram oxycodones three times a day in 20 milligram oxycottons twice a day. And so when did that ever stop working for you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, because like my sister said it gets to the point where your body needs more just like anything that you take your body gets immune to it and you need more in need more it would bet you waited to it. Yeah habituated to it. So it started off with you know, 5 milligram Percocets to tends to 15 to 30 S2. Then needing the Oxy Cotton which is a longer lasting. It's not and your doctor was like just like yeah prescribed prescribed prescribed for three years and then like can saying it you know, they Realizing that people are becoming addicted to this and then they start what do they do? They just started like reeling it in like okay. I had muscle relaxers cyclobenzaprine in my system and that was enough for them when they prescribe that to me to begin with. So, I mean, it was a blessing in disguise, but when it's only tested, uh, sorry explain these people they tested your urine to in order for you to keep getting prescribed the pills you Ron and you had taking some taken something that wasn't currently prescribed and it was in your system. So then they just took you off completely. Yes, like cold turkey like cold turkey. No. Oh, no. They tried to give me Extinction. Yeah, they tried to give me clonidine which is a blood pressure medication in the anti-diarrhea medicine, but that's all under the withdrawal medications that they would give out. But that does not when you're on such a high amount of pills like that long holder that I just I just want to throw something in here for anyone being an asshole in judging the situation. Has let's be real we know when you talk about something like this people judge that. This could be anyone. Okay, like I'm just like I don't know. I like to think that you guys like think I'm cool. Mike have my shit together, which I don't know. Maybe you don't and I'm just like tooting my own horn, but when I was going through these different things in my finger, I was on a drip like every 10 minutes it was on a fixed interval of 10. I was able to push a button for this trip when I would be out of the hospital. I had Dilaudid tablets to take every two hours and a fentanyl patch on on top of that. Okay like and then I wasn't making it to the two hours anymore. And I would just scream on top of my lungs. My parents didn't know what to do. They were like worried at a certain point and like the fact right now that I am it's not about like oh this person has willpower. This one doesn't I was lucky that like one doctor saw me at some point in the hospital and was like, alright, this big enough is enough yet. Like they came to talk to me and my fingers were coming off. It was nerve pain. No amount of delaughter anything was touching the pain because those were like like dopamine drugs, right? I think like Doping like or opioids don't touch nerves are like they took me off it but the thing is this could be anyone like, I mean, I'm just like lucky as shit that I'm not addicted to it. But this is anyone its reward these days. Like I've been reading articles of you know, some of the reasons contributing to the opiate or opioid addiction and you know, you think of like kids that go not kids teenagers. However old you are you going to get your wisdom teeth out and they prescribe you either Vicodin or Percocet or an oxy. And your you could really get by with it ibuprofen 800 honestly and there that I think that's actually now a law that they're implementing Buzz Casey. It's a hard line to draw because I could tell you when I go in with certain things. Give me a like a Tylenol 800. I'll be like lick my butt. Like literally like Kiss My Ass Like I am here like like so it's hard thing about for like a typical kid who has no problems. No hundred percent. They break their arm or something and then they're immediately prescribed this high-dose pain meds. And that's where you know, they get that taste that but there's also multiple factors playing in like look at your sister. Okay, like she was really in pain she needed this at the time but and and think about this also your Mo like meaning your background situation beforehand, right? So someone who right now like right now, I feel like thank God. I have a lot of different things going for me. But when Earn an amount of pain. You don't have those things going for you. It changes your state of mind, like nothing matters, you're in agony, whether it's emotional pain or physical pain, like for me my fingers were coming off. I'd like there's nothing valuable in my life. Like I was just lucky like seriously, like there was nothing better than those pills. That was the highlight of my day. Yeah. Well, that's where the doctors come in and where they're supposed to when you go in every month to your appointment. They have a sheet that you know, they check off that goes through your what you look like. Lee what you look you know how your emotional state is how you're dressed how you're handling yourself in all the doctors did back then. They just didn't pay attention to it. You know, I would go in and you could see that I was withdrawing I mean I would go and literally withdrawing and so I looked a mess felt a mess. You were a mess. I wasn't a complete hash tag next the lingo. Yeah, so but you know the doctors Tell you back then either that these things are so highly addictive, you know, Oxycotin never put on there. I don't wanna leave. Yeah, they knew either know they knew they knew they just guess I'm here playing Devil's Advocate. I they just didn't want to you know what I mean put that out there because once that's out there then I'll maybe people won't that's why the Pharmaceuticals are getting sued so much because of what was your let's get out a way to insurance. No, no, it's fine. But I think we want to get in. Into why you decided to turn to heroin. Um, what was that Tipping Point? Well, first of all, I swore because my dad right did heroin that I would never I mean I promised myself my whole childhood that I would never ever try heroin and probably right like maybe not too long after I had my son everybody was doing it because the pills were too expensive and you know, and when you say everyone are you talking about like bums on the Are you talking about like I'm talking about kids from rich neighborhoods kids from families who you wouldn't think would try this because it has no discrimination. You can be from the most upper class family. You can be that AKA junkie in the alley you it doesn't just you could have a perfect sister like me and lll kill you. That was just me being funny and hitting and I can't blame any of it on my parents. You know, I have to sit now in my Recovery Act to sit there and take full responsibility for why I chose to want to be numb why I chose to not deal with those traumas that happened why I chose to go this route. And I that's been a huge thing for me my sister because the whole time that I was using we were fighting arguing we didn't have this relationship. No, I would never would have had her on this podcast. Are you effing kidding me? We were like, I just I I'm a person who I tried to be compassionate and empathetic and I am at my job all day long. But trying to find that for my sister because I knew she was using was really hard and I just got really mean and that's where Al-Anon comes in guys to help you get through that as a family member of someone who's struggling with addiction. But yeah, she would lie to me lie to my face like I'd be like, you're fucking canning. That's my F-bomb. You can't even keep your eyes up in your falling down the stairs. There's you passed out on the staircase. Just I took a nap time. I don't nap on a staircase. Okay, so we make light of this because we have to we have to laugh about this now because we went through years of oh my God, I like PTSD of still, you know, like going over I'm like is she gonna still be sober like it's a fine line and families have to support and like accept and know that things that you know are going to be tough. But yeah things were horrible when because all that we do as Addicts or me. I can only speak for myself was a lies and manipulation. You know, it really ruins all the relationships that you have in life because you don't care about anything but that high you have one purpose and it is to gain access to that and we you won't know what we do to get to it. You'll do anything you'll go through anything to get through it just to get that next high with the lies. You would come up with we're hilarious thinking back on there now. I'm like looking at you like, oh I had to Take a nap. Like I just like elaborate things that were like so crazy. I was like, this is not that your mind on drugs kids. Yeah, you will come up with anything and everything to make it look like I would literally be high high and call Casey and just starts like crying and yelling and I would abuse her. Yeah. I mean it was a psycho of it was a huge cycle. But but look at that that by the way insert behavioral principle that's response generalization, right? She had one function. She wanted one thing. And by the way, when we talk about maintaining this Behavior, there's Casey remind me to come back to that what's maintaining it but when I talk about response generalization, she had one purpose, right? She wanted access to one thing. So she did whatever she needed to do and whether it was I'm sure you probably lied to get access to things you probably I don't know you tell me if I'm wrong. I watch a lot of intervention. So be likely out your tongue I told Old you like you'll steal you'll take stuff to pawn it. Like these are all functionally equivalent behaviors to doing whatever you need to do to gain access to it. Am I right? Yeah you are right. Is there can you point out one thing that you like look back in hindsight if you're feel comfortable with it and like now in hindsight that was like wow, that was an all-time low that I did this. There's a lot of those thank you so much for sharing. By the way. I know that this is I would rather be completely transparent and honest and tell my story and hopefully help somebody then to tell parts of my story or lie about certain things addiction is addiction whether it no matter what it is that you're doing. It still sucks in the stigma of it is MM is even worse so Um, I mean like yeah, like I said, there's a lot of things that I go back to that. I'm like, oh, wow. I probably shouldn't have done that. What about okay, I have one in this is kind of an elitist into the kind of major thing that happened that led you to get clean. My son most definitely what happened when dcyf got called in. They showed up at the house they came in and they they asked you know, we got first of all that I never fed. My son my God, that's what someone said. This is my son in that I was a heroin addict and I woke I actually woke my son up and had the ladies see him because at that point he was like a hundred pounds and I was like, I don't feed my son if anything he's over 50. And it means you know very well taken care of but I admitted to her like yes, I am a heroin user. You know, she was like, can you pee in a cup right now? Is it going to be clean I lied and said yes because I felt like that would give me some time to get things out of my system and then she left and had to do our investigation in a month later. She came back in took my son and had him go with his dad. Okay, we got you know where you are. Now. Look where your and Maddox is back. He's living his best life as a nine-year-old, right? Yeah, I'm Going on 30. So yeah, so that's a hard thing for her to share and for me, so we're going to take a quick woohoo reset. Here we go. Um, so yeah, so Maddox got taken from her and really when two and a half month two and a half months. He went to live with his Dad he had to switch schools, which is really, you know hard for a Kid, who's in what first grade kindergarten? Yeah, he's in first so you what did you what was your decision instead of I know a lot of people who lost her kids in continued to get high and that feeling of having him taken I couldn't breathe in. So I that means you're a good Mama. Okay, you can take a moment people in the podcast. You can just chill right? You know how hard this must be for somebody to talk about? Yeah, don't worry. Take your time. So right there. Okay. So her her losing her son, right that is gonna be a huge that was her punishment right huge Punisher that was stronger than the reinforcing principles or feeling. Of getting high. Yeah, I knew life without him was gonna be way like on my life with yeah, my life with him was better than any High me being a mom to him was wow any high so I went right away and I got into IOP which is intensive outpatient program where I had to go to classes a couple times a week for a couple hours a day and do drug test every single day. I went in there. there And that's just what I did to get clean and I found a lot of people in recovery and that's been my driving force ever since so I want to say something behaviorally really quickly to insert. First of all, thank you for sharing this and it's actually a blessing that you have your son because ultimately that could have saved your life. Right? I mean, it seems like that you so when we talk about drugs often times, I let's talk about functions of behavior. So you the As you went through something, right you went through shit, whether it was, you know, being raped or you know, like whatever it was they like the antecedent event. So at that point, I'm assuming you you could correct me if I'm wrong is probably started off with Escape, right? You wanted to escape something you weren't like the way you were feeling the same way anyone who drinks after even a long day of work right on a different scale. I mean, yeah, I have escaped maintain behaviors like all of us. Yes, absolutely. Might like my drug of choice is Klonopin. So I was prescribed that as well. So I understand that. Yeah, so whatever so I'm assuming it started with escape. And by the way guys Behavior could be months multiple e maintained. Okay, so it started with Escape now. It seems until if I'm right. Well, well drugs. We actually I mean there's research on them. I like I mean, it's not my total background but there is some addictive effect. I mean there is something that it actually does to your brain. It's not like your which is it really is it is like the consequences like the reinforcing mechanism associated with the behavior. The pleasure centers have been stimulated by that drug like the dopamine serotonin. I don't really know exactly all have them anymore. Right, so it's it's right. So it was initially a skate maintained which I'm sure that continue to be something because you're like, oh wait this worked. I actually was able to escape it for a little and my body needed it my bed. Then it took on exactly as Caitlin saying then it took on a automatic or sensory component of function of Behavior. Now her body actually needed there were some biological need right and we R this when we see some behaviors that don't have the typical Escape attention or tangible, I mean it probably also did have a tangible right you engage in these behaviors to get access to a tangible item. So drugs has like there are so many functions of that behavior and drugs think about that as the ultimate reinforcer. I mean that is why people are addicted to find something to compete with the rien forcing. You of drugs. It's so hard. I mean the hardest to treat for sure the hardest it's like oh, okay. Why don't you go start? Yeah yoga crocheting like yeah, right kiss my ass. That is not. Hmm, and I don't know tell me if I'm right at all and it might not be to the same level but as someone who has quite a bit of experience of going to the hospital for a Dilaudid. I know that that tell me if the Ang is similar. I whenever I go there I'm like, this is how someone who's addicted to heroin must feel I wait for that second for that needle to get in there. Right? Like I'm all anxious until they could get the IV in my arm because I hate needles more than anything. But when I see that container or that little vile vile of the Dilaudid, I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God, it's coming. It's coming when they put it in and I'm like put it in fast put it in fast. I really want to feel it because I don't like it when they like mix it with like the fluid. I'm like, I really want to feel Like I'm an Agony right now like and then they put it in and suddenly you get this feeling like you're gonna like throw up you get nauseous for like a hot second and then it's this warmth that comes over your whole body. You're like did I just pee my pants? I can't tell because and you don't feel anything you are numb is that exactly I couldn't describe it any better. That's exactly what it is. Okay, so that feeling I wanted to throw up and wanting to pee your pants. I know it sounds sound the initial like it's this nausea, right? You're like your head feels like it's gonna explode in that one second, but it makes it that much better because it's like this warmth and it's like when I go in I'm telling you I'm in a type of pain like I've been in hospital room screaming like cut my hands off. I don't need them anymore. I'm in so much pain like I don't need these fingers. I don't need my hands. Actually. I have a question for you. Okay? Yeah. Why do you think that you didn't do develop an addiction? When you had been given this feeling so I think when I compare I just wanted to know if like I'm being stupid thinking that like it compares to your feeling, you know, that's exactly okay. So the reason I think when I look at it is I think it's the environmental like the environment along with my Mo so I think during a time when I was hospitalized for four and a half month watching my fingers decompose in front of me at that point. I lost sight of hope. I didn't see that. I had anything left that took a doctor intervening like shout-out to dr. Wiggly at John Hopkins who is like number one in the world for the condition of Scleroderma and finger freezing. I guess essentially he came in and he was like All right. This is a lost cause giving her these like this is not going to help her at all. These are dopamine blockers. This is nerve related. We have to take her off was I pissed? Yes. Did I lash out on nurses who were in the room and like fuck you? Do you see my hands? That's my fuck. You see my hands coming off. I need these meds like nurses become calm me down. I'd be pissed but like so that took a doctor getting involved. Otherwise, I had nothing to live for at the time. I was supposed to take my board exam that was done. I didn't have a memory anymore these Like affect your memory. I couldn't remember to number sequence. So that was that but now when I go in for these little episodes where I get the Dilaudid on a one-time thing, I mean, I got to say I have an amazingly supportive family. I have I have a family who is like able to help me when I get these medical bills when you're someone and you have all these factors playing in when it's like, okay. Well I get out of here like I was telling Casey I had to pee Say on Sunday fifty six hundred dollars worth of medical bills and you know, like there's no way out when you don't have something and you don't have a family you don't have someone instilling purpose in your life. You don't have like I could say the study notes ABA alone has put such purpose in my life that I had these other things to compete for when I come out that there's something valuable to come to but if you are someone who is now with medical bills you're in pain again, you don't have the resources to go. Help there after you don't have that the example the model, right? You're hopeless and that's what are hopeless. And I think I don't think it's because I'm special that that I got out of it. I think that I was just lucky lucky lucky. Like I'm just it's not so that's what I want to say is so for someone like you it's a blessing that you have this son because finding a computer for like a competing reinforcer for drugs has to be huge. Yeah, like a contingent management intervention, right? Something has to be more reinforcing more motivating than the competing contingency of the feeling that drugs give you and by the way taking her son away would be a negative punishment because it decreased as you said, we do know that the consequence The future frequency of the behavior decrease. She no longer. She stopped using the drugs. Yeah, but for a lot of people it's not that way. No absolutely not and it doesn't mean you don't love your son, but it's the point of how strong the drug is exactly what and also having like a family like Mom and I really supporting you and being able to talk about it and not shame her or make her feel like oh you got your son taken away. So you're a shitbag like because I like okay. No, we're going to help like this is a time. This is the intervention time. And the moment was right, right. The everything was in play that needed to be in play. She was being held accountable by the envelope out IOP. They were monitoring her hashtag piss test like you could not you couldn't get away from this. I think that when you first stop the behavior, right, let's say it was put on extinction you no longer could have your son. Did you have an Extinction bursted your You're like blow up when you first going to get any more. No, I mean I kind of secluded myself during all of that so that I wouldn't do they give you something so that you wouldn't withdraw when I went through withdrawals on my own. She's here strong that shit sucks like that. Yeah wedding and everything like wanting to escape your own body. I knew that I had to do that for the first couple of days in order to really not go back to it. I had to really really live in my own shit. Sit in your own shit in your own shit and dirty around anybody you were doing some like antecedent interventions. You're not hanging out with the same people that were using drugs with no, you're not engaging. So you're changing the behaviors that you who were engaging in that got you the drugs. Yeah. These are all things that you were gonna be. So proud of you I am so so so proud of you thank you and I'll always be an addict the rest of my life. I will always be an addict. But the you own that story that exact and you only I can own that story. My story is my story and everybody else who has a story to tell I just want you guys to know that there is light at the end of that dark dark tunnel that you're in right now and just ask for help. That's the only thing that you can do stop being ashamed because you never know whoever you're asking they could have gone through something very similar in the stigma Buck the stigma. There's hereafter. Yeah, like I would never expect Lee got to have so much in common with my sister as like a girl who I see working her ass off and having like 15 side hustles and always being on her shit. Like you never know what people are going through. You don't know people's struggles don't judge and you're not alone. And as Caitlin said and she can proudly sit here today and say that there is hope right now. Is there any thing that you can offer in terms of? Advice to someone else listening because I'm sure someone's listening right now and saying, oh great. That's your story. That's amazing, but it would never work for me. That's another huge thing is what works for somebody else is not going to work for everybody else. People said to me when I first got clean. Oh, you didn't go to rehab it's not going to work. You don't go to Nara. It's not going to work. You're never going to get clean. You're never going to stay clean. That's a lie. Like I had to do it in the way that I had to do it. I was one of those people guys. Yeah, she sure was but it's individualized treatment just as we practice in our field and it's crazy to think that you started what journaling and yeah journaling and just being open. I had to be really raw and honest with myself and with my family in order to get through all the stuff and starting to deal with I also started counseling again. I like the 30th time, um, but to get through that you just have to be it sucks. And there's a lot of shame that goes and that's what keeps us as addicts using as a shame and the guilt of you know, we feel bad when we use it's that guilt of feeling bad when we use but we have to use in order to get better and just do what works for you. That's all I can say ask for help and do what works for you because don't listen to anybody that says if you don't do this it's not going to work now. A question. Did you ever relapse? Yes. Okay. So relapsing what essentially be would that be spontaneous? Recovery Casey? Yeah, I think you can relate it to that. It's basically the behavior was put on extinction and then just want to check in and it's like I was saying with a relationship yesterday, right? Yeah. I actually think that bad relationships toxic relationships could also be addictions like most definite what you have someone. City in your life. You're like, oh, let me give it one last hit every now. I'm cool. Now I could I could just handle it casually me and him are totally cool. I could be around him. Like I'm so over it. Like what I could have one drink you stay away from drinking also, um, I drink every once in a blue with never but I wasn't care. I was excuse me. I was never a drinker I had and I haven't caught consistently always used like I got clean for periods of time and then I'd relapse get clean for periods of time and then I relapse but Getting Maddox Egan was my driving bottom. That was my absolute Rock Bottom. Okay, so when when you have fallen into that you find it hard to get started again. Um, I don't know if it's hard but what I'm saying is like so when you're in a shitty relationships you go back to it, right? I mean I was with the guy who was literally like toxic and I'd be like, oh, we're cool now. Yeah. No, it's fine. Like things have totally changed. I could see him in a casual capacity. We fixed it whatever it is, and I'm sure you speak yourself into that. Same thing. Like it's fine. I could do one last hit exactly you do. You're like, yep. I got it if I can just get had one last time. It'd only be this but it only takes that one last time to get you right back into that behavior. So you know that if you ask engage in that behavior one time, it's going to it's going to go all over again. It's going to continue. Nobody can ever just use one time. I mean if that was true, nobody would be an addict and thank them thank with Heroin. Hmm. I mean, I feel like All those dress. I mean all those drug videos you watch when you're in school like Red Ribbon Week and whatever it is. Is it actually like you try it one time and you're hooked. I mean it's different for everybody. But for me, I don't think that it was because I had already my brain already knew what it felt like to have a drug. That was so similar to that. And did you start off with injecting I start it from the get-go. I'm the guy go. That's the first time I ever did it. I injected it and it was just like you said that whole entire thing that you for that you described as that feeling is what hits you and then it's not Only that feeling that drives you for it's your brain goes into withdrawals like your mind you start like that bag is gone you start withdrawing and you know engaging work. Yes more Behavior to get you more stuff. Yes. Are you like always stress that like, where am I gonna get my next thing always because once you do your last shot or your you sniff your last line your brain is already going into I'm going to feel lighter. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna feel like crap and soon, you know a couple of hours. They say it's like for a boy didn't insert avoidance behavior. Exactly. So it's just a nasty cycle. And remember when we talked about escape and avoidance Casey. What does that associate with negative reinforcement? Yeah, just so you guys know in case you're studying and Casey told me something which I thought was really really cool of you that recently you had like a tooth abscess or something. Am I saying that right? Yes. And if anyone's ever had tooth pain that shit hurt like really bad like, you know, like what happened when you went to the hospital. So I was extremely dehydrated. I was kind of delirious when I went in because I had been throwing up for two days and they put me into the critical care unit because my white blood cell count was so high. It was almost septic. So one of my name I've been through that we can make so much. Let's just like I don't know why I'm even here you guys. Yeah, get out longest podcast ever. So one of my nurses was very very because she knew I had gone in there, you know my charts in the hospital saying that I'm an addict, you know, heroin user pill user. So she had already had kind of like a preconceived notion where she was very cold and she knew that I was in there for the for my tooth like that pain is excruciating back pain. It is like worse than Labour pain and and you could speak to that exactly and she came in and she was telling me about you know, she was more on me about you know, why are you using I've lost a brother to heroin and then she was like, oh, I'm going to ask your doctor to put you on the oxycodone for your tooth pain and I was like, so it's kind of weird because she was so hard on me and so cold to me because I was an addict. But at the same time she was like, I know that tooth pain like I'm a nurse in my husband to see me, you know taking shots and taking everything that I can to try to get that tooth pain to go away and I was like, no, I don't want it that's amazing. It took it trust me. It was so hard to say that but I knew that that first taste of that oxycodone was going to be enough and I was like, nope, you can get through it. You can get through it you can get through it and wow is it was better and I was happier for not taking the Oxycodone that is impressive because we are Mo in that moment. I was like, there's some I mean obviously getting rid of the pain the removal of that pain is something huge. Also, there's something that goes unsaid tell me if you know what I'm talking about. You almost feel like a little Victory when the doctor has decided like I'm gonna give it to you like every time I go in like I have Lupus and the medical record to show enough issues of but every time I get it I'm like I feel like I've done this little victory of like Got it, right that and your victory was I didn't get it. That is so huge for you to say. No, you should be so proud of yourself. I am thank you. That was definitely the once I got through that pain in a couple days later. It was better. I was like, I was even happier or more proud of myself for saying know whether you know where that would have led are exactly that would have let me straight back to the heroin. So we are very proud of you Caitlin. I am you so happy that you can sit next to me today on the podcast. Cast and share your story. So again, thank you for coming on. Thank you for one thing one last thing and I promise I'll shut up Casey's like enough lie. I know did back to my intervention watching. Did you know Candy Finnigan? Whatever her name is? Thanks T. We connect so much Casey. Just get out of here. I'm like I have to go to work. Okay last thing did your family ever have to do bottom line? Like we are no longer. Enforcing this in any way or was that bottom line your son that bottom line was my son. I mean, I'm sure Casey has tried to do that in the past and I just never really let her do it. Yeah, like I mean there was a time when I went over and you were messed up and I took Maddox. Yeah moment and like part of me. I'm like thinking back like why didn't I call dcyf and I just couldn't imagine you know that I like if I would have done that that would have been like it was sitting down. Devastating and horrible and Maddox, you know, I don't I didn't want to put him in a foster carer place and I was working three jobs. I can't take a kid and like I mean we would have figured it out. But anyways, I took him from you for a couple days and he was so mad because he's a guy why my mom and I don't like you Auntie, but that was kind of me trying to put, you know, give her like a way Camille or and Punisher and it didn't work so it worked but it didn't work because Is that like you said that behavior and that need for that drug not to ever say I didn't love myself probably gave you a like free pass to go use drugs because I was like babysitting exactly at that point. It was different wrong intervention. Right? But once the state got involved that was a hole. That was somebody's specifically who wasn't in my family telling me you cannot see him. You cannot have him you he's not safe with you. So that was a huge wake-up call guys. There is hope nope. Yes, there is you can do this Rock Bottom comes and then dark. I mean the sun comes up after the darkest part of the night. Please remember that there is light at the end of that dark dark tunnel you're in right now. So if you guys know someone who's struggling with addiction or you are like we said, there's hope and you're not alone and we love you all and thanks Caitlin. I love you. Thank you so much for coming in and answering all these questions. I love you too Leah. Thank you so much for having me. Of course, and by the way, guys, we only have so much family and friends that we could bring on. So if you have something interesting to share with us and you think you would be a valuable guess that we could share on our podcast reach the hell out to us. 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If you haven’t picked up on the theme by now, we can analyze the behavior in anything (impressive huh?). In episode 5 we are covering a very serious topic: Addiction. We are lucky to have a special guest joining us who is a recovering addict and is brave enough to share her story. Liat and Casey break down the topic of addiction using behavioral principles and discuss how F’ing hard it is for people who are addicts to stop engaging in addictive behaviors. When people hear the word “addiction” they immediately think of substance abuse but people can be addicted to a variety of self-reinforcing behaviors including constantly checking your phone, checking social media, exercising, sex, food, abusive relationships, gambling, etc. So this episode is really for everyone. Whether you are struggling with addiction or know someone who is, tune in for a real AF episode. Love ya, mean it. Extra Items: If you want some cool, extra research to read through while on a summer tropical vaca, read these: Introduction to The Special Issue on The Behavior Analysis and Treatment of Drug Addiction By: Kenneth Silverman, John M Roll, and Stephen T Higgins: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2606609/ (Need apa citation like below ) And a cool article on the use of a replacement behavior to maintain sobriety: Silverman, K., Holtyn, A. F., & Morrison, R. (2016). The therapeutic utility of employment in treating drug addiction: Science to application. Translational Issues in Psychological Science, 2(2), 203-212. http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/tps0000061

This episode is brought to you by Spotify on Spotify. You can tune in to all of your favorite podcasts playlist and party Tunes literally for free. Like I don't even have a premium account right now. You can tune in to my podcast and so many of my guests podcast on Spotify and you'll never miss an episode because you can just click follow and they will let you know when there's a new episode and if you have premium you can download the episodes and listen literally Whenever Wherever like on the airplane when your super boredAdd flying to Paris. So if you don't already have it downloaded the Spotify app, you can search for the mindset magic manifestation podcast. Be sure to follow me so you can get notified every week for the new episode. Welcome to the mindset magic and manifestation podcast. I'm your host. Mckaela. Mckaela J.com. I'm a manifestation mindset coach. And blogger if you're ready to dive in deep get real AF about your belief and manifest the life of your dreams. Then you're in the right place. I'm dishing out everything. You need to go For Broke too. Bougie first class to world class. If you're a hashtag life goals involve a luxury travel and being the boss of your own life. They get ready to embrace your mindset magic and manifestation Powers. Let's do this. Hey guys. Welcome back to the podcast it is yo girl. Mckaela teaching you how to manifest your next level looks life. How are you? Happy Tuesday. I hope yours well, I am doing really good. So so quick life updates. First of all, I have quite a bad going. I have Smart Water next to me. I just bought this thing called a golden Prosperity bill at my local Crystal store the other day and basically it's a fake one hundred dollar bill and it's like gold and X next to To my bed, if you follow me on Instagram you may have seen this before but I have like a little money Shrine and just some quick details on that. It's just a little area that I have and it's literally just a shrine for my money so I can call in more money intentionally and have a special place for that for me to channel that energy I guess. So anyways, I have that Prosperity bill on my money Shrine in my money trained also has the check I got from American Airlines after Hawaii if you scroll down my podcast episodes I have Have a whole story time on that crazy trip. My so I have that check from American Airlines have the golden Prosperity bill. I have my first class ticket from when I got the free upgrade and I also have a check that I wrote myself. It's like a fake check for my income goal for the month and then all of my crystals piled on top with all the Good Vibes and at night I put my debit card and credit card under there and I just send it love and light and call in all the extra money. So anyways, I'm quite the vibe going I have that over there. And I'm just loving looking at my $100 bill and then I have a new candle that I got and it's grapefruit grapefruit and citrus and it smells so effing good and yeah, I'm just feeling really good. It's pretty late, but I wanted to sit down and record this episode. So I have this signature course and you may have heard of it before I talk about all the time because it's my favorite thing in the whole entire world and it's called the mines and magic and manifestation method. This is a Of a week course and group program and its online. There's a trip to La involved. It's my heart and soul the a tizzy blueprint of literally how I changed my life and I give it to you guys in meditations and workbooks and this time I'm actually going to be doing live video trainings every single week and enrollment is finally open. I wasn't planning on opening this up literally until the fall because I'm traveling so much but I made time to squeeze in an extra trip so we can go to LA. Ha and I'm so effing excited in the program. You literally get $2,000 worth of free bonuses immediately when you sign up so I'm going to have all the info in the show notes. So definitely click the link check it out. See what it's all about. I explained all the content everything on the sales page. So just go to the link in my bio and you know, see if it's the right fit for you. I think it's pretty effing awesome. Everybody manifests handbags first-class travel money clients happiness dates. All the things with this program. It's basically the secret sauce to everything. You could possibly need in your life with that being said our spiritual Splurge of the week is Chanel eyeshadow. So today, we're talking all about being materialistic and spiritual. So I thought this was the perfect spiritual Splurge a couple months ago when I was in January when I was working on my money mindset, one of the things that was recommended for me was to spend all of my gift cards because I would just make me feel really abundant. A good way to circulate money and I actually had a gift card to Neiman Marcus from an event. I had gone to literally like a year before like literally last January and I was on the Neiman Marcus website and I was like, what am I going to buy here? Like I have like 50 dollars. Like what am I going to spend this on and I decided to get a Chanel eyeshadow. And then I also got a Kate Spade hot Tumblr for like hot drinks. And so anyways we're focusing on is the Chanel eyeshadow because it comes in the cute Chanel compact that you like. Always see pictures of that looks like it's black with the gold Chanel and it's super cute and I just got like a pale pink color. I will link it up below but seriously you guys I love this. It's only like 25 or $28 and it's a single eyeshadow, but it's so pretty and so pigmented and it looks super cute and just High Vibe when it's sitting on my counter because I actually keep it out on display. Whereas my other makeup. I just put in my makeup drawer and it just looks really Cute and like you're like, oh my God, I have Chanel and it makes you feel high Vibe and then you call in more things hivi because you're feeling High Vibe and it's just a great cycle to start. So I'll have that Linked UP below. I'll have my program Linked UP below. Everything is always in the show notes you guys so just slide up and check out all the Deets. Today's topic is very interesting. And I think it'll be great Following last week's episode where we talked with Alyssa about fashion, you know, how cheetah prints now a How we can manifest our next level selves through clothes, but we're talking specifically about being materialistic and also being spiritual this week. And I think this is a really important conversation that we need to have because a huge part of my brand is living a luxury lifestyle like you guys know, obviously, I love getting Starbucks like every fucking day. I love Louis Vuitton. I like to travel first class. I like to stay in nice hotels like I'm going to be Staying at the Ritz Carlton next week all the luxury things. I talk very openly about how I want to be a billionaire. I want a private jet. I'm going to live in Beverly Hills next year all the things all of the very materialistic things and nobody really talks about how that can coexist with being spiritual not very openly at least and I want to start to have this conversation because it's important and I think it boils down to Simply this do what makes you happy. E do what makes you happy? Okay. It's very simple and I don't need to give you permission to do it. But if you need some kind of permission, here it is do what makes you fucking happy. Okay for me. I'm really happy when I walk into Louis Vuitton and I'm on Rodeo Drive and I'm wearing my thigh high boots and my black blazer and I'm wearing my Louis Vuitton bag. That's super super hard to get your hands on now and I'm just feeling my best self and I have champagne because They serve champagne while you shop and I just love a buying a good movie Vuitton purchase. That makes me really happy. I'm also very happy when I eat at the Cheesecake Factory and I feel super extra because that's the nicest restaurant. We literally have in Nebraska. I love the feeling of Sitting In First Class where you have big seats like that wider seats more legroom, you get to drink out of an actual cup you guys like a glass not just a plastic little cup and you have somebody that's Waiting on you hand and foot basically that makes me happy and it might make you happy too and it might not and that's okay, but you can't hate on people who are materialistic because they're just following what makes them happy and if that's What Makes You Happy Jump Right In jump in with two feet jump your full belly flop in and if you're not a materialistic person then do what makes you happy. What makes you happy is that Maybe what feels really luxurious to you is just taking an Uber instead of taking public transportation. Maybe it's eating a nice meal. Maybe it's you know traveling first class that can be like a less materialistic thing. I think because it's not something you're taking home necessarily and it might just be experiences. It might be taking friends for drinks and that feels really luxurious but the whole point of buying materialistic items and feeling really high Vibe for materialistic items is Cause that's just what fills you up. Like an another thing is I get really motivated when I have like a physical thing. I want to buy I have my eyes set on this Louis Vuitton bag and it's like three thousand dollars. I think and that motivates me like that motivates me to work hard that motivates me to get shit done that motivates me to save money so I can buy it when I go to New York next month, by the way, I'm speaking in New York next month, which I'm super excited about details will be on my Instagram story if you live in New York. Or are near the you New York area all the things but anyways, so when I have my eyes set on that Louis Vuitton bag, I'm like, okay that's $3,000. I know I need to do X Y and Z to call in that money. I know I need to do X Y and Z to save that money, you know, whatever it is and that can kick me in the butt and then I'm like, okay I can do this. Let's do this and that motivates me and if you're not that kind of person where Louis Vuitton motivates you what is that thing that motivates you what is your drive in life? What makes you happy? What makes you motivated to go out and do the things that you need to do? What's going to be the treat because a really good way for you to manifest is to plan out your celebration in advance. So let's say you have a business and you're launching a product a product Oh my God, why was that so hard to me to say say you're launching a product and you have a goal of how many you want to sell or how many clients who want to get whatever when you reach that goal. How are you going to celebrate plan that out before it even? Opens okay, is this can be you buying a materialistic thing and it could be you may be treating all of your friends to dinner. Maybe it's you going and getting a massage whatever it's going to be that makes you feel super high Vibe and motivated to get to work for me when I go into launches. I usually plan on buying something we're taking a trip this time. I'm like, okay, I want that leave Vuitton bag when I go to New York. I want to fly first class and I want to stay in a really nice hotel. That's all the motivation. I need to get my ass to work and That's a very unique perspective that I bring because I make it so Unapologetic to want the things that you want and I would say partly it's because I'm a Capricorn and we're very success driven were very we are very goal-oriented. We want to see the fruits of our labor. So I I want a Range Rover. I want to Tesla I want to leave tan collection. I want Birkin bags, you know all the things and I'm so Unapologetic about it because those are my desires. That's what makes me happy and why hold myself back From the things that make me happy. So the second piece of this that I want you guys to consider or think about is what's going to make you feel elevated. What makes you feel high Vibe. What makes you feel Next Level. Let's focus on that because I talk a lot about the next level solve your next level looks life. All of that. What makes you feel Next Level Next Level to me feels like living in Beverly Hills and having my Range Rover and my Tesla parked next to each other and me going. To the gym owner the morning and having my personal trainer and then when I get home, my personal assistant has my coffee my green juice ready for me that feels Next Level and having a Louis Vuitton gym bag and only Lululemon workout clothes that's next level to me. But what feels Next Level to you, I don't want you guys to pressure yourselves to look at the shiny objects in life. A lot of people say like shiny object syndrome. You always want like the next Bucks best thing blah blah. I don't want you guys to pressure yourself into being in that way into feeling that way into thinking that physical things are the only things that are going to motivate you because for me also like trips motivate me like the idea that next year. I'm going to be able to take my friends on a trip to Dubai that we're planning and that I could like possibly be able to fly us all out. Like that's incredible that motivates me to so what makes you feel Next Level. That's some next-level shit flying my friends to Dubai if you ask me, I mean, I think so the reason why I'm very Materialistic is because that makes me feel Next Level everything in life is a vibration. I we all know this by now. If you're this far into my podcast, this is literally episode 50, you know that everything is a vibration and so things hold certain vibrations a Range Rover has a high vibration. It's a luxury-car the one that I want psych $100,000. That's a certain vibration. That's a vibration of luxury of next level of expansion. And I want that and that's that's going to help me expand into my next level. I need to expand my energy to be at the same level as the energy of the Range Rover. But once I'm in the Range Rover, then I get to step into the next next version of me that gets to have the Range Rover and the Tesla and the G-Wagon and the private jet and what the fuck ever else I decide I want which is a lot of things but that feels Next Level to me. So when you guys are thinking about how like what's the thing that I want? How do I want to celebrate? Do I want a materialistic thing do I? Not think about what feels Next Level to you and I have an episode you can scroll back and look or listen to it was said look at it and listen to it all about your next level self. I have trainings on this and my just bundle I talked about this literally all the time, but when you're writing out your next little self, what is she doing? What is she owned? What does how does she spend her energy? Does she get massages every week facials. What is that and look at that and see how Next Level that would feel for you and start to reach for those things this kids, too. To coexist with spirituality because when you're doing things that feel Next Level when you're stepping into that next level self what you're doing is expanding and literally when we Exhibit expand our universe expands I read about this in my cosmology book that I reference all the time that our universe can only expand as far as we are expanding. That's why Kylie Jenner can become a billionaire. That's why people do the impossible. That's why people expand and break the rules. Do things that feel are impossible and they make them possible and then we see that and then we can do it too and then we can do things that once seemed impossible and then we get to push forward our society push forward our universe literally expand our universe. So materialistic Ness being materialistic and being spiritual get to coexist because you're really serving the World by doing what makes you feel Next Level. Well that's buying a Louis Vuitton bag or taking your friends on a trip. Or even donating to a charity if that feels Next Level to you you get to do that because it gets to expand our universe which just helps out everybody. I mean then our energy is even more expansive even more wide even more vast. There's even more possibility and imagine if everybody started to step into that everybody was like, okay, I'm going to expand I'm going to do things that feel Next Level to me. I'm going to step into this. I'm going to finally accept the fact that I am a little materialistic or I'm going to step in the fact that Don't anyone make me feel really Next Level everybody started to do that. Imagine how much better of a society we would live in everybody would be happier because they're doing things that feel good. Everybody would be more motivated more shit would get done more would be created more rules would be broken more of the impossible would be happening. So it's actually one of your civil duties to start to step into this step into what feels Next Level start to show people what's possible because you may be listening to this podcast. Just because you can connect with me and resonate with my message because maybe the people around you don't understand. So once you start to step into these feelings real like okay, I know that feels really Next Level, so I'm going to push and push and push and I'm going to do my part and I'm going to make this should happen and I'm going to expand and people are going to wonder. Oh, wow. Hey enter your name here. How did you do that? And then you're going to start to create this ripple effect, and people are going to wake up people are going to understand vibration slowly, but surely because they'll You'll something's different about you. They'll feel the different energy about you and you wake up Society you expand the universe you expand people you expand yourself and everything is just hunky-dory. Everything gets so much better from here on out and think about if you were to start to expand and step into what feels really good what feels really Next Level what would be motivating for you to work towards? Imagine how much happier you're going to be? Imagine how much better your life is going to be because you're more of your Self once you just admit to the things that you want, I think a lot of people hide from what they desire because they're afraid of being judged but if you just look at straight in the eye and be like listen, I want that like I really do desire that and I'm not going to hide it anymore. Imagine how many people you're going to inspire with that attitude? I say all the time that I want to be a billionaire. Is it scary to say out loud? Yeah, because a lot of people probably listen and they're like, yeah sure whatever. I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna do it and then you guys are going to listen this. And be like Michaela said she was going to be a billionaire and now she's a billionaire and then you're gonna be like, okay. Well if she could do that, then I can do anything and you're going to expand people and you're going to show people what's possible once they believe in themselves. And once they believe in the next level of themselves. Also, I want to make the point that once we started to own our desires then we make it spiritual when we're like, okay I desire this and I'm going to get my energy behind it and I'm going to become a match for that and then it's just going to Flow To Me. So easily as I take my inspired action because I'm taking it from the energetic perspective and I'm telling myself. It's going to be easy then we take away this whole concept of whoo. Okay, you guys know how everybody's like? Oh this is so woo. And I know this is a little woowoo. But hang on a sec, you know, let's get rid of that. Can we just get rid of that? Honestly, like can we just all of the how is this stuff? Not normal, you know, there's so many people talking about this. So maybe we'll talk about manifestation and mindset and So many billionaires and millionaires talking about how you need to get your mind around the money and that's why I like people who win the lottery lose the money because their minds not in the right place. We're seeing these patterns and they're becoming more prevalent in society. So why is the woo still a thing? Can we can we just get rid of that? Can we just by Louboutin and say that we bought Louis Vuitton because you got your fucking energy behind it. And you decided that that's what you were going to be a match for and you started living your life as if you already had the entire Louis Baton collection. So of course you made more money and of course it was easy for you to buy it. And of course you're associated with people who also have giant bag Collections and of course, you're like gets better and then the universe expands and everything is amazing and great. Can I just be are normal like that's so possible for people. It's so possible because listen I remember going to La for my the first time and it was Oh What three years ago two years ago. It was my freshman year of college and I remember being on Rodeo and going to Vuitton store and feeling so like I did not belong I didn't have money to buy anything in the store. Like I couldn't even pay for like the $200 perfume. Like I that was just so out of my range at the time and then I went to LA and January and I went and bought my Louis Vuitton bracelet at the store like it was nothing because I decided that that's what my energy would get behind and that Louis Vuitton bracelet was on my vision board for like three months before I bought it and I just got my energy behind it and I was living and acting as if I was the kind of girl who had Louis Vuitton bracelets who had Cartier blind bracelets who had the luxury things. I got my energy behind it. And then that was just my normal being spiritual and being materialistic is just how I exist. I don't know any other way to live and when I think about my childhood we were really wealthy before we got really poor in my life. And so my there was a point where my mom would get her hair and nails done all the time and like at the time coach We're cool. So she like had all the Coach bags and I did private cheerleading and we did we went to private school and when we were super wealthy, we had like a boat in a lake house and all of these things and that's just how I knew how to exist and also at the time the private school we went to was a Christian school. So we would be going to church we were spiritual, you know all the things. So that's literally how I was raised with spiritual and materialistic. That was my upbringing and I remember the time when we started to live off of food stamps and We were like at that point where you were on we are on Medicare. We had the EBT card. We were getting canned foods from the church. You know, we had to we had us obviously switch to public school. I wasn't doing competitive cheer anymore all of the things and I remember thinking like this sucks. Like I can't have the material things that I was raised on and that's a huge culture shock almost and this is so like hashtag first world problems, but I'm telling you that like the two can coexist and it's just a decision we have to make because in the last Two years when I've been learning about manifestation getting my mindset and check. I've just been so motivated and driven by materialistic things because that's how I raised. That's what I desire in life. And so I learned how to make that coexist in my life. And that's why one of the things I talked about all the time. Is that like I make the universe work for me while I drink my daily Starbucks. I will literally be in Starbucks drinking my eyes two spresso. I'll May journaling in my journal with my swarvoski crystal pain and a cute outfit probably my blazer are pods and looking bougie journaling about my fears and doubts as I typically do to work through them and I'll start to receive things that I desire because the universe is out there working for me while I am just existing in my materialistic world and there's nothing wrong with that. I love living this way. I love living this way. I wouldn't want it any other way. So what I want you guys to take out of this is that being materialistic and being spiritual gets to co-exist if you desire for it And if you don't that's okay. That is okay. You don't have to be materialistic at the end of the day just follow what makes you happy. What makes you feel Next Level. That's the question. I want you to ask yourself. I want you to journal on this and let me know or DM me on Instagram be like you ask them podcast while makes me feel Next Level will this makes me feel Next Level and just just to clear that shit to the universe declare it to me put it on your Instagram story tag me so I can see it to clear it in your Journal whatever. It is and just own it because we need to own our desires. We need to show people what's possible. We need to expand our universe. We need to keep growing. We need to keep expanding taking up space taking up the energy that's ours because any desire we have we deserve to have or else we wouldn't have the desire. It's not like the universe isn't like a tease like you get to have everything you want. Oh so good. So Good by the Louis Vuitton save up for your private jet get your Range Rover get your G-Wagon by the Tesla. I recently decided that when I moved to LA not only do I want to buy a Range Rover, but I also want to buy the Tesla at the same time because I don't want to wait. I want them all now and I can get my energy behind that because I get to be a spiritualist spiritual and materialistic at the same time and the fact that I'm going to buy two cars at once motivates me even more to give But to work and to make more impact and make wine come and have all the things that I want and show you guys over and over and over again. What's possible for you? So what feels Next Level to figure that out DM me write it in your Journal whatever it may be and maybe what feels Next Level to you is just starting on this spiritual path in general. It may be identifying your limiting beliefs and learning how to work through them. Maybe it's learning to Define your magic. Maybe it's learning about manifestation and investing in your Yourself and that it's that would feel Next Level to you. Then. I invite you to check out my mindset magic manifestation method program. Like I said, the link is going to be in the show notes, but that's going to make you feel expansive that's going to literally teach you how to Next Level. So figure out what feels Next Level to you. If it's my program, I'd love to have you Journal it declare it decided to order to decide it's going to work for you and that's what I'm going to do with and I'll talk to you guys next Tuesday. Thanks for driving in and getting your daily dose of personal development with the Mindset magic and manifestation podcast if you loved this episode leave a rate and review on iTunes for notes details and more information. Check out Michaela, Jay.com. See you next week.

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This is the who we be podcast with me DJ sensex. Every alternate we can connect with the people that Define our culture. I'm talking to the producers DJ's few artists big artist the Legend legend when hip-hop you came back Grime Apple spring. I'm doing all of that all of that all of that. This is our culture. This is who we are. This is who we feel we should be First of all, I got to give a big shout-out to Dre school for mixed pack a shouts Miss Lola way as well as she recently hit me up in the grandma. She likes em, absolutely. Love to who we be podcast. But when are we going to hear from the female y'all? Listen Lola? I got you if you're gonna like this, this is Stephen, London. You're when I'm in the presence of greatness the queen herself stuff London looking all a list of everything. I think you know. Is these is good to be able to hook up with you today? Because I wanted to catch up with you and talk about you know, your journey so far like you had an amazing run know that there's much more to come and more to follow but just to catch up for people who may not know that your story. How did it start for yourself. Like what is a start for Stephen and the artist I come from a musical family. So there's like my mom and dad are seven kids together and growing up my dad. Dad was very heavily influenced in the music scene like he was like, well we call it in Jamaica like a DJ but it's like a scene J Jeremy in someone. Who does that your drive kind of thing which one that always does and then I think when I was like seven eight, he would always encourage me to write or read sing some songs on like a tape recorder. So it was he still I gave me a tape recorder and I used to always yeah just sing over songs on there and write my own stuff. So from the age of 8, I was writing and then he took me to the studio for the first Time when I was nine. Wow. Yeah, and then there was a guy he knew which his name was unique and he wanted me on one of his songs and he wanted the kid on a hoax. Like I think he kind of wanted it like hard knock life like Jay-Z type of thing. And then yeah, that's the first time I went to um recorded before, you know, number one records and tearing up the charts and tearing up the club's of hurt me and everything that you've been on the ground for a minute. I think a lot of people think you're just new and you just came out and you started out from when he was 8 or 9. I'm in the studio. What was the next point from when you discovered that like, you know, could you got the influence of your family but you know the whole to make them by was different to the that vibe that when did that come into your life rap as well from younger because around the house we would always put on like instrument or then as a family we would just start freestyling like we'd be like, okay, let's freestyle but none of us were really that good really coming up with a younger but that's what we used to do. And then I'm in my my sister because I was singing The times almost always tell me Steph like you you're sick. Like when you freestyle like it just sounds sick, even though to me it was like not good, but she saw potential anyway, and I remember going to the studio and I was always singing so from the age of 18, I was going in and out studio and I'll sing anymore, but I was never like a real singer. You know, I mean, I was always like just in between but always try and sing and then I would be shy and in my voice will crack and then I couldn't hit certain notes and I was like, you know what this is just this is long and then I thought about what My sister's keep telling me stuff. You need to see to rap like your secret weapon. And I think that's when I started taking it serious and I was like 18 19. Who was he listening to like? What rappers would you listening to that kind of encourage you to start going from singing to rapping? I was listening to so many like my household was always on music whatever was on the channels. That's what we would listen to so whatever was banging so it will be like definitely Lil Kim. I Used To Love Her Eve. I remember as well like when she's part of Rough Riders and she'll just come. And look dope. Yeah, you got foxy as well. Obviously. She was sick and I remember seeing all these women just thinking at the time even when I wasn't rapping just thinking how unique they are and how every time I hear a track and there's a female wrap around it. I can't wait to hear what the females going to say is like a waiting game and it was always going to it was always late and it felt to me that way to go over the track and that's why I admired as well. You're the Knight is was popping for Papa was mad was crazy, you know foxy Kim knowing he'll Missy right? They go like so sick. I'm not saying there was maybe there wasn't maybe just one main female. I'm not sure but as a kid growing up, I didn't see like it that it was just one main one to meet was like everyone was lit. So we trap meant the most to you that you know, like inspires you like the you connected to the new like, you know, I'm going to do this definitely Little Kim, but you know at a time when I was listening to her it wasn't I wasn't listening to her singing. I want to be just like I just kind of just listening to enough - always put she was sick. And then I feel like when I picked up wrapping I started remembering when I was younger and how I used to feel when I used to listen to and how I feel like to be like a real done. You got a kind of be in that type of Lane. Do you know, I mean, I don't know you can trap any other way like you can't just be like with your high-pitched voice or just talking about any or nonces. You kind of have to be like rough, you know, I mean like a bit like the man them. So yeah, that's what she made me see definitely so inspired by Lil Kim Your family is encouraging you to get into and to focus on lapping. When did you become Steph London? When the that when did you start taking it? Seriously, when you let you know what I can do this, I think I was about 19 I was about 19 and that's when the wrapped really started and that's when I was like, you know, what? Yeah, the more practice is the more better. I became and then I remember listening to like a lot of old school rappers and I remember seeing this interview what I say, like every line has to count and I forgot when I started to pick up my pen and started to remember that. I started to become a lot more better because I was like, okay, everything has to make sense and like for when I did lock off that those black that was a time when I was practicing every line has to kind of make sense. I can't just be seen anything and I feel like when lock off came off a full like that's what it was for the audience as well. They felt like okay this is actually lit and that's when I actually knew okay. This is stuff on them. That's what it was before luck offer. I'd seen I've seen you around like online like Has your name for purple? I'll see you you had freestyles and SoundCloud and stuff at our other things, but that really was like a rival for me. Anyway, when I saw the look of freestyle, I was like, I think I heard it first on Soundcloud missing the video and the guy was like I reached out to you as well as hell. This is hey, it's shit started playing it on my show. What was that response like that when you first put that out because that was like that was like the Rival moment, you know to be fair. That was the only song I did because I've had so much songs and never really put them. That but that was the only song I actually did an I loved every bit of it myself before it would always be learning some parts of machines happy that Mark could do that better. That wasn't that good. So this was for me really the only song that I feel like I do this every bar every everything sounds like to me so when I got that response is like I can't say I knew it was going to happen, but I've thought okay, this might come now because I thought it was so late myself. So I remember playing in the studio and then like people in a studio and there wasn't really that loud. It was just like oh, yeah, this is Sick Enough, he cannot Rob this is sickening. I'm just dead lot on my own. I don't care what you think. I know this is lit. And yeah, so there was just receptive it man and they fought yeah, therefore it was late. So that's definitely a tuna. I could go around and say yo, I do music and play and a representation of myself. Yeah. You got hip hop out. Here we go crime. You got UK wrap how easy was it to establish yourself like at a time because where you're at now it looks like you've made it looks like it's overnight on it and everything else one. Was waived but you have been on I know you've been on the crying because I've seen you do it. Yeah, definitely have what was that like around that time like fighting to be heard and be taken seriously? Do you know what in all my career? I never I never felt like I was ever fighting should I mean I never felt like I had to prove something. I kind of just kind of just did what I did. So I never felt like this is now they have to see me like I've been on out here for so long drumming because even when I just started doing music and I wasn't really coming on the scene. I was actually behind the scenes trying to perfect my craft. That's what I really was doing. So, I knew that everything I was doing wasn't ready yet. So it wasn't until I was like 19 20 21 Around the lock off time where I knew I was ready. So for me it kind of started from there, even though it started before hand but on a serious note, that's where it kind of started From and it wasn't hard to like you said cause I was kind of only three my doing that thing you stand that automatically so it's like it's not like I'm battling with five other girls who kind of have the same sound, you know, I mean, I think it wasn't that hard. I just got called for features and I always was jumping on features and I made sure I did them straight away like that. Lethal be colored me for a feature when sneakbo holiday early on for a feature. I just made sure I guess who I need to get in the studio and do the speech and send it back and I have to kill it and that was my mentality all the time, like killing killing the track killing the features you go glow and You Got Confidence. Where does that come from? Everyone else? I think the normal Sagittarius I do know is I don't know such time as it is a bit. No, but my dad is well, he's like I'm a bit like that. So you speak with authority and and It moves through your music as well, right? That's a good thing. All right now definitely but you know for the rap game look is in Easy is fickle its unforgiving and you know isn't for the faint-hearted know what you've got this confidence where you know, like you just said you didn't feel like you had to fight most people do yeah. Most people are like now that's how that's how people feel you're right. So is it so you send us from your father? It is I think you got this. Yeah, he's a bit like that. He's very like, you know, I mean like why that is so bossy likes a fool like, you know, like genetics in it. Well, I don't is a bit low and my mom is so laid-back and so cool. Yeah. She's the total opposite to my dad. So like yeah, I was DJing in Manchester after one extra life and I did an after party up there and you know this club it was it was hot it was worth it. And and it was like, I think you're Who was then your sister was there and your sister was like yo play some Steph. No way. Ha ha ha, you know, I thought you you know the Clippers. I think I went on to do I like my routine mixtape? I think that's why I went on to do you and I dropped them rotating. I think that was the first I'm not sure but I think that was my first tune without having to remix anything like my first original. Soon the I dropped and I had all the girls in the video and I think that was another I feel like I've anyone doubted me that time when I dropped that video it was definitely like not kind of thing. She said to stay like it's not like just a common goal kind of thing. And I feel like that definitely solidified that mixtape is popping put you on the map again even more 60 shots as well. We did a video for that 16 shots is though. Thank you like and someone asked me if someone Ask me about it. I would you think that's how you met I was like, is that a seizure? No defining moment. I was like, you know, like point out together. I mean clearly it's about your family everything else, but you could feel the passion in that tract and it is it's real. Yes. One of the builders tracks decided. What was it like making that joint like, you know, why did you feel like it was the time to put that truck out at that point as she made 16 shots because I think sometimes I'm going to see Jonah be listened to Just stuff like just anyone anyone who are full of okay, he's got lit tunes right now who's just a lip person that I want to listen to and then I remember listening to some dancing and stuff and he's always talking about sucking my toes. I came out and I was like, you know what it would be good to like say something about don't tell me about my mom like, you know, I mean, you can't tell me because Jamaicans like they have a big thing where if you tell someone to suck suck their mom, it could be like a real problem, you know, I mean that you probably can't come back from and and I thought okay cool. Gonna make a tune like this and at the time as well, there was a situation with my mom so I thought okay, so I just used all of that and then made the tune and then everyone that heard the tune was just like this is so late that I thought it was lit, but the way the response was I didn't think it was going to be like that. But because I'll drop in the mixtape at the time I'd done that shot the video and my producer which was named Fred he gave me the idea is that when you put your mom in a video at first I lost the light no put my mom in love with you actually that might be a good idea and I mean we got my mom in the video as well. Do you prefer to report to thing? That's difficult. I like both it depends as well. It just depends on the beat if I come in a studio and someone plays a beat if I feel like okay. This is a to need to sing on this is you need to wrap on. I'm not gonna lie. I feel a bit more expressive. I could express myself a bit more bitter think we'd singing Tunes even a lot of stuff that I put out yet. There's a lot of tunes that just might have acoustic or some shit and that freestyle to but I'll be thinking about something that is real to me. And I feel like it's way more expressive because it takes longer to like takes a lot longer to find the words and we drop you gotta like be quick quick find their words to fill in all the gaps when sometimes you don't need so much words to express yourself. So yeah, sometimes I feel like here singing as a bit more expressive but I love the edge of the wrap. I love the I love the hardness about it drumming was your Minister Stephen. That's what means Yeah, I just say about a lot of people like a lot of people love the normal Style remix. Yeah, people love that verse who you feeling out of the UK like MC was like inspires you what would you wake you do? I react there's so many people I think gigs is good. I think I got to say Dutch. Of course Jay Haas most Stacks love most acts obviously love like he's our I think he's told Type of rapper. Well, you said that yeah the way you said yesterday and I like most I think he's very different and I remember being in the studio with more like years ago when me and him wasn't left open or anything and I remember the boys tell him you need to work with him. You know, he's sick and I'm like, okay cool, and he's just standing there. Yeah. Thank you for saying that. You right quick. Like, you know, you go to Feast Island, like he's basically saying you can wrap because you know, like there's a lot of people you can you can wrap like this a lot karaoke shit at the moment. There's a lot of people who started rapping last week and you know, they pop up or whatever but he was like no no, no, she she can give as good as she's got she's dope nice and you like what kinda studio and everything? Yeah. I learned to write quick because when I was just coming up as well, I was like around a lot of mundum so we would go The studio members video is time like at this time is money. So you have to pay like 2,500 hours. So we have to be quick. So there was there always be free people on a tune. I'll be the only girl that we to man them and we all got all right, and we all gotta lay down these Tunes in like three hours like maybe three tracks. So that's how I learned how to write real quick. But also try and make sense of what you're saying. So I'll be in the corner right and I'll be done before everyone and they'll be like rust if we did they were late ever. So whatever the Malcolm being lame and they'd be like not angle and I'm not 10 times. They'll be like Steph. Man, I think I got to redo my work and that was the aim. I was like now I'm gonna be so sick that it's just gonna fake mad. I got to go really diverse and that's what was happening all the time and them times. Did you ever feel intimidated because it's you know, as a guy I can't imagine what that's like like what if you're the only woman in the room, you know laughs is very, you know, it's misogynistic isn't exactly women friendly, but you know, your elbow and your way through like you're fighting to be it but without any points where you are, like I never I never I never felt like that still don't I feel like if anyone anyone that does anything in life, I feel like if you ever feel Like a bit disheartened or you know, I mean someone might be a bit more above you just go back in the lab and make sure you're hotter than them or or make sure you're the best you that you could be is all down to you is all in your hands. So like I'll never joke about something called feel like I'll just make sure it happens like make sure that I'm I sound the best on the track or the just the best me doesn't have to be the best but the best use so when people hear that, yeah, that was that was sick, you know intimidated to being the only girl in a room full of guys that No, I feel like I feel like that's good because you stand out morning everyone. You're the only girl says you're the only one everyone's going to look at. You know, I mean, yeah. Hey me is the Anthem. You know, what was it like making that and did you think of the time it would do what it's done? Make it I didn't take too long to make it as well and it was based off of a true story which happened a while ago a couple years ago. And nah, I didn't I knew it was going to be a big track though. I didn't know I didn't know because when I use a plate in my kitchen because I had this five bedroom house and we had like this big island in the kitchen and I used to always have people around my house and then I would always play that song and everyone would always sing it like how everyone sing it now it would always be like an Anthem type of song and I think that this one is going to be big Up, of course, you don't know that it's going to be that big. You just know it's gonna be a sick tune like people going to love this tune, but I didn't know it was gonna go platinum. I didn't know that I mean it connects with women though in a way. It's like, you know aside from your sister telling me to play some stuff like it's not so you got play that track any Clips say anything like any show any festival and you play it as a DJ, you look like a genius because you think that thousands of women singing so but it's crazy the way that you resonate because in easy to do not everyone does it it's like it's not giving you know, you know, that's crazy. That's a blessing because that was actually my first official single offer label as well. So everything else I did on my own everything else was just just me and then I had my manager on board and then to have that and a part of a label, you know how it is like some people say like as a bit pressure to be a part of the label and the day But yeah, I assigned obviously my label Universal and I definitely delivered way of that one. She was that I'm happy about that. I'm happy about that. Okay. Now that's dope. So you come up you done your thing UK wrap and everything else going from lock off to 16 shots her and me. It's popping off in the UK. What's the response like worldwide? Like I see you doing promo in America and everything. Was it like going over there from a Because you know we talk about how great you Casey news right now. It is it's amazing. I don't think it's ever been as great as it is, but we're still yet to have the MC pop up in the US and yeah do that thing over there, you know is you the US has actually been really good to me. Actually every time I go over there and do a couple interviews the people are so support if they know so much about my journey as well and it feels like they're mad excited to see what I'm going to do next. You know, I mean Yeah, and they're just mad supportive. I think the last time I went over there and did that radio promo after that like they've been battering hurting me is like it's not even a joke. They just been putting in the work because I feel like they met me now and I feel like okay cool. Let's support this girl, which is mad because a lot of people don't just get that support just like that. So I'm proper grateful for that. But yeah, I feel like it's it makes me want to go away more harder when it comes to rappers. Well, you know, I mean, I'm a rapper as well at the same time and member they only here in hurting me for the first. I'm sorry, I think in this this chick is a singer and I want to let them huh. I'm actually a rapper that's things like you need to know. I'm a singer that rap. So with this mixtape that's come in. I feel like - Stephanie that point I want to prove so I think the work that we started that as well the week it for ya. Everyone loved that one. Yeah. We could we could I like will kick man is right. He's a nice guy. Eggs works with fakie and gas and everything. He understands Grime you gave up on the scene and I think it does a lot for us than people realize we're in terms of put on his own out there but is doped he embraced you and you know, yeah, but it's even better that you killed it. So, yeah, definitely now in the game where you know you seen you came up and you know, this is nice. Is that I'm back. Then you had Lil Kim phuc. See Lauren Missy. Yeah, I know but they all went platinum as well. But right now is with his handful and the handful they were getting compared and like cause you know, I've seen people like oh, yeah. She's the UK Nicki Minaj. I want to be just a UK He Caden artists behind that no one says us the u.s. Future the u.s. Cardi job means just fastest-selling. But how is it by now? You know I get the comparison especially in the beginning when you don't really know me and you here maybe one to tuned because I'm Jamaican and I was he/she does departing as well sometimes and I rap she wraps, you know, I mean and Jeremy you just going to find similarities in general. They that's what they do in general try to compare people to each other. But if you really know much things, you're not going to be comparing me to her and it's not even a bad thing because I think she's dope but you're not going to be comparing me to your gonna see that I'm stiff, you know, I mean and that's why it is. Yeah, how do you feel about the way that people are trying to pick cardi B against Nicki Minaj and for me, I'm like, I'm I really like, you know, like people People are like it's like they wanted to fight versus once a time. Yeah. It's like it's the anime, you know, it's just good. You got great artists like there's no need to be like, yeah, you know, you know is I said, I've said in my previous interviews as well that's always sad that it was want to put females against each other but also said females do separate themselves from other females as well. So it's not like everyone else does it some people do it to themselves and they just want to be the only female there some people have done that in the past. You've seen it and it happens and that's sad and I feel like Like if you're confident in your in your things and you're confident, you shouldn't be scared to to share the spotlight. Do you know I mean, you shouldn't be scared and I feel like it's dope when other females support each other especially female rappers and I feel like once they start doing it. I feel like more the world will start doing it. You know, I mean, once you see the world sees that is acceptable to them and they really Embrace each other then the world of start embracing it and that's just I think way is yes. Oh, yeah, they used to do that back in the day. Yeah, they did. Exactly, and I don't think it was as bad with certain. The art is like putting against each other because they made sure they let the world see that we are one like we're together which I mean, why do you think is so few females in rap compared to back in the day because even even in a is like you have salt and pepper Queen Latifah MC Lyte. This is a really solid history of like, you know dope our is the came through but why is it like why is it only a handful now like the coming through? I have no idea. I feel like sometimes it can be slightly a bit more harder for the female, especially a female who's not really into the sexy type dressing and maybe that's not their style and then they have to figure out how to come through an industry because a lot of people are more taken to people who maybe show a bit of tip in the bit a bomb or some shit. So like what about the rappers that do not mean like to wear trachy that's a bit more difficult because now you haven't got what people are eye-catching looking at even if the person is a bit shit, but they have a bit of luck. We'll be at it and you're like oh shit. Yeah, I like I like her but really she ain't that great, but you love the way she looks but know what about the girls that's wrapping in a Trekkie. What are you got to look at? So now she's got a lot deliver even a bit more than a female that looks a bit sexy July means a full like that stands in a lot of people's way and I feel like that discourages some females were full up when they're not getting heard because they might not fit in that bracket of the sexiest or whatever and I feel like that could be a bit of a problem. But at the same time I do see a lot of females coming true in America. Are like on the ground like you got the Asian down the Cuban doors and all these all these dog has. Yeah. I like them. I think they're dope and I feel like they're coming through a bit more on their own tip where they're kind of, you know, I mean not trying to do this big boom big bursting the kind of just doing their own thing and I feel like that's good for young girls that's looking up to them knowing that you don't have to look like that to be heard. You know, I mean, they got the bars though not all of them. Some of them got some choose though that you could run in a club and it sounds late. Do you know I mean But not all of them have really the buzz the buzz. It feels like you're taking your time with what you're doing because I've heard some stuff that you've done that you got. You got big tracks. Yeah, like I don't think people realize how great your pain Gamers and is that even the fact that you point out a mixtape next rather than an album, like what is that? You're just taking the time of it sound if I'm looking to be here for a long time, so I'm not going to rush, you know, I mean like like you said, I do have a lot of jeans that you have a lot of A big change that's like album material big singles. Definitely gonna try a hundred percent is yeah, that's definitely got to try a hundred twenty five percent and sometime the labels even like to me when he just put this out on my own. I don't want to do that yet. I want to like, I feel like the greatest all is are the people that never rush stick stay true to themselves and not really worry about a chart position but more put in the ground work and I still feel like I've got so much ground work to do and so much really let them I feel like more a molding of me. Like a still got some some work to mold and let people really know who I am before I do so much of the commercial stuff even though there's nothing wrong with you commercial stuff because I feel like that's who I am as well. You know, I mean, that's the type of stuff I can write and that's why I'm good as well. So, that's me, but I feel like a bit more. This would be more edgy a bit more edginess though. I got some more edginess in me and it would always be there anyway along along the road, but just a bit more just to let people know I'm not just here. For the charts. I'm here on the Gridiron in Army. That's good. But I know a lot of people will they be trying to get the back straightaway? I got the bag still I'm I got the bug bomb. I'm gonna get some more soon. It's coming. What can we expect on the mixtape? Yes, um some real Tings some you know, what like I feel like my first mixtape was really good. I feel like it would be good. Even when I wasn't it now and I'm like yo, this is actually sick at the time. I leave elastic it actually was but no one listened to I'm the oldest. The sea I feel like just going to get some proper rap tunes. Definitely some some Vibes. I'm UK type Vibe / the Dancehall thing but what are always been doing anyway, because I feel like I've listened to some people's albums, especially in the states and just don't get that yard Vibe. You don't get that even the British yard Vibe afrobeat / yard. You know what we do like, I miss that when I hear them when I listen to certain people's album like this is something they really don't do and I feel like definitely have to keep that. I don't think they can. Yeah, they probably they probably can't even trying for years to get probably got no, they probably can't and I feel like that's that's actually a dope aspect that we have that we should just definitely Embrace and never never never let it just slide. So yeah, what's the biggest mistake you made? What in music in general? What's the biggest mistake? Oh my gosh. I can't think of a mistake my ex. No, I'm joking. I'm playing her. What's the biggest mistake on my own? I would say the biggest mistake but a mistake I've made is always expecting people to be like me like in friendship was like I always expect a certain amount loyalty because I'm that person. You're not mean you expect and I feel like that's why people get hurt because you always think another person should think or do what all approach the situation how you would approach it when you have to realize that everyone is individual and they're going to do what they're going to do and you just have to you know, I mean, sometimes keep yourself to yourself with And situations and that's what I've learned. Anyway, the attainment you've worked with a lot of artists and you know, you've had people featured on your music, you know, French Montana hurt me hurt me remix was helped. By the way. I think that was an event and you know you featuring another records that it's like every other week you unlike some kind of big muscle, but it's all coming out what's been the greatest learning experience like recently because you know you you Come through you've made it look easy, but it is a struggle. But what is the most important lesson you've learned on this road to success never lack like always give it you always give it your best. Like if there's any bars that you feel like I want to change every time you hear it, but you just feel like I've already done it. Let me just let it go out don't like make sure that everything you do you love visuals the way you sound the way is mixed but I'm a part of every part of everything like I direct my videos. I'm in the studio. You're like basically co-produce even though Rambo give me the credit but Rhymes I do Co pretty slow is tell you what to do on the track. No, but I always I'm always involved on that heavily involved and even certain times like don't play that make sure you work harder than you play. Make sure you work harder than you play and I feel like everything everything you put in is what you're gonna get out. If you put in 30, you're getting free if you put 50 again 50 if you put a hundred you're getting a hundred and I think that's just the power of the universe and that's what you Really is you accepted that your role model Yeah by force. I'm not trying I'm like, I just turned 26 like I'm not trying to be I'm sure you anyone in it that was 26 and that's now their age of today. You've learned so much. I made so much mistakes. So he's like I'm not going to be sitting here acting like I'm perfect or acting like I'm going to be teaching your kids the best thing. I just I me come here for do music. You know, I just Michalka money and them today, but I know I'm a role model but at the same time No, it can't be. The overall being for a child, you know, I mean, they have to have something else look up to you as well. And I think it starts from home. So put your very strong woman even speaking to you now, like, you know, obviously a healthy music spoke before but even like when were talking about, you know, I'm trying to find the struggle. It doesn't look like a joke, but it's like you're you are used very very strong person some people Eat that because I haven't got our around them and that's to say nothing. I think sometimes eyes don't realize how much you know, you are raising a generation of kids for your music and your Artistry just by default because there's nothing else. Yeah. Well, I hope if I'm a role model people just look at the best qualities just pick the best sites just pick the best sides and then yeah learn from my mistake then whatever mistakes you feel like I made make sure you don't do the same e learn from them. You certified as an MC as a rapper, you know, you rap to some of the greatest in the UK and in the US and you're very very sick songwriter. Who do you rate? Party next door. I think he's sick and actually see. Oh Sean Kingston and he was doing some amazing stuff. I was like, oh that's dope. You just doing a lot of stuff on top of his head and I was like, that's sick. Who else do I read Drake? I think he's adult songwriter as well as his sick. Actually think Niko's are dope. You know, I think the way they put their word plays a bit different most of the songs sound the same. They find a way to still make it different the know you're not tired of them, which is good. That's that that song right in a bit. That's the math ability to you kind of every move. He needs a new Migos track. Yeah. It's kind of like yeah you do they feed in you write is like you but you don't feel like it's the same sound but it still feels different. You're not tired of it in a lot of here we go. Again. It's just like, oh, okay cool. This is late again. And that alone I think is a good ability to write I like the weekend. Yeah, I think he's dope as well. He's dope around what for you is the ultimate collaboration to Ultimate cure yourself. What were you trying to get people to try to bag people ask me this summer? I don't know. I would say Paulie. I think he's sick. He also funny to me like it might not be the biggest artists that I feel like I need to be around or I need to work with it could just be Something that's so special that I see in that person that feel like rod for me to just even be in the studio. Would you like like when I say party for me to just be in a studio and hear your Vibes and what you how you work that would be an honor to me? And even when I was in a city with Sean Paul that to me was like a real big situation at the time. I didn't really see it. But I sat down and thought about it. I was like yo Steph you always used to listen to this guy when you was a kid when I grew up in Holland and I told people I'm Jamaican didn't know what Jamaican one side, you know, Sean Paul, they'd be like, yeah be like, hey, that's me. That's what I am. He will be my go-to. Reference so people could know what the hell what the hell I'm from. So like yeah just to be studio with people like that even having Sizzla, um on hurting me remix don't stuff to me or like or like big for me. They all came through on that. They didn't know that was that dummy mix is powerful and Caesar was a whole surprised. I didn't even ask him to be on it just happened free popcorn. So that was crazy and obviously in her Ami also reference to one of his tracks, so that was crazy that he's under remix. It's the that's imagine it one of my favorite songs. Actually dry cry. Swear you taking this tip to the top baby with it? Well P or was the moment when you let you know, I've done it. I've made it that I have arrived. What is that according to your goal? I don't know what when that's going to be or what moment is going to be but I feel like definitely when I feel like I've made my stamp and I brought out all types of music that I've been doing that people probably in heard of just all the stuff that I love as well just different types of sounds and combining them all into this one. One thing which is stifling done. Yeah, I think when I get to that point where I could do any type of genre that I want and you still feel like this is just if she does it all For look at that point. I'll be like ok, cool. Well done it but it's dookie. Go to know living in a crazy time where you know, you got a situation in America you got situations going on over here. You seen black lives matter become a thing me to movement gender pay Gap thing that's going on at the moment and there's been some other situations with been going on definitely in the center of London Lite. What advice would you give to young women coming through? Because you know, Your Role Model one of the strongest women I have met you're doing it you're making it you're killing it yeah, you mean struggling I feel like You should never feel like you need someone to get somewhere. First of all, I feel like always rely on yourself and just know that Anything Can Happen through you, you know, I mean, I don't feel like you should never sell yourself short to get somewhere like always stand your ground always know your worth and don't ever sell yourself short and that's definitely what I would say to people like ya know. You're with a friend. I think that's so important. And I feel like you get so far with that as well. Yo, she's one of the strongest women I've ever met. Shout out to Steph London shots of right shout to the whole team of pulido for making this happen is another Pepper's old fuse feeding that make sure you check out the other episodes of the who'd be podcast. 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At just 26 years old, Stefflon Don has achieved a lot; her own label imprint with Universal Records, a platinum-selling single with French Montana, a slew of underground hits and a truly international fanbase. First bursting on to the scene in 2015 with her remix of Section Boyz' breakout street anthem, Lock Arff, Steff's relentless work-rate and business savvy has earned her a space as one of the UK's most exciting rap acts today, but global superstardom didn't happen overnight. Born in Birmingham to Jamaican parents, Steff spent her formative years in the Netherlands before returning to the UK at 14, ultimately settling in East London. Attending her first studio session at just 9 years old, it was her father, a DJ himself, that first encouraged a young Steff to explore her talents as a songwriter, penning her first songs at the tender age of just eight. Fast forward to 2018 and she is not only a tour de force as a singer, but also a formidable MC and astute businesswoman. In the ninth episode of the Who We Be podcast, DJ Semtex charts the rise and rise of one of the UK's most exciting female rap acts, following her journey from street anthems to global chart hits. The pair discuss the impact of coming from a musical family, being inspired by the likes of Foxy Brown and Lil Kim and the importance of building a solid foundation on which to grow your career.

Welcome to the transform you podcast the ask me anything podcast were Jodi and that answer listener questions about health mindset nutrition sleep exercise and lifestyle. So if you've got a question, you'd like us to tackle. Please email it to us at transform you questions at gmail.com. That's transform the letter U questions at gmail.com.Calm and don't forget to like rate subscribe and share this podcast with anyone who could benefit and now onto the episode. Welcome everyone to episode 1 of the transform you podcast. So I am here with my husband that is hey and we are in a lovely Costa Rica. So what's going on Dad? I just had an awesome pig roast yesterday. I had a about 25 kilo pig on a rotisserie. We cooked over wood at 4-4 Dayton's birthday. Yeah, one of our sons just turned eight years old, so he celebrated out here lots of fun. So you may hear some Birds chirping in the background maybe some dogs wild animals. Over monkeys. So those of you who are new to us fad and I own three training studios in South Florida. They are Fit Body boot camps and we've asked Our member and just our Facebook audience to send us questions, which we will answer in this podcast. So they can range from anything and everything. We are going to go through some of our first questions and answer them here. And if any of you would ever like to submit a question to us, you can email it to us at transform you questions at dot-com that's transformed the letter u Yeah questions at gmail.com. Yeah. All right. So we want to get started. Yeah, let's get going. We have we have our first question. It looks like from Lindsay F. Alright, so Lindsay asks, hi. I'm interested in intermittent fasting does the Pre-Workout break my fast the one y'all have so short and simple she is talking about our supplement from our Fit Body line and Sickly what's in that has no amino acids. So the Pre-Workout week Kerry will not actually break your fast it contains a neurological stimulant for focus and energy, which is caffeine from green tea and it also has a circulatory stimulant for blood flow. But again, no amino acids, which the majority of pre-workouts do contain also contains l-theanine, which is a super cool combo neurologically with caffeine just a give you some focus and looks like kaput Choline as well. So it's some some super offset found in egg yolks. It's good. It's good to have the brain a lot of cool brain supplements in these in this line. I'm a big fan of them. So now the reason you probably would want to avoid any amino acids like branched-chain amino acids is only if you're fasting for a topology now at office. She is this process where damaged components of the cells are recycled for newer healthier. And damaged mitochondria is also cleared away. So it's off a G is like spring cleaning for your body. It's one of the huge benefits of fasting over. All right, it is and the great thing is electrolytes will not break a fast either so you can make sure that you have plenty of sodium magnesium potassium. Those are your electrolyte pumps which is vital especially when you're working out. So always make sure that you have lots of water and lots of salts so that you don't cramp you don't get headache. You don't feel lethargic. Now for fat loss branched-chain amino acids the BCAAs. I can actually still play a role. So in this case fasted training has to do with your insulin levels in your blood. So when you guys eat food, it gets broken down into various molecules that your cells can use and insulin is released as shuttle those molecules into your cells. However, insulin also blocks lipolysis and that's your breakdown of your fat cells in your body. So when you're Bodies in this fed State when it's insulin levels are elevated. It's absorbing nutrients that you eaten. It has little or no fat burning that's occurring at this time and just to fund tidbit to whey protein it's actually more insula. Genic it releases more insulin than white bread. So a lot of people think want you saying that's bad. It's not bad. No, it does play an important role because we want to use insulin this hormone like a drug because it can do wonderful things for us because it It will build key components in your body, but you want to use it at the right time. And when your fasting is not the right time. So save your whey protein for when your art you are in that eating state in your day and BCAAs. They have a very small impact on insulin levels and that will allow you to actually stay in a lower insulin level while you train. So a few people out there use it to just spare any lean protein that may occur any breakdown of protein. Is whenever they work out and Jody can I say something about BCAAs in general here? Just that there's a lot of conflicting research on BCAAs, whether their benefits for for fat loss and for building muscle while you train there's a lot of interesting research and my one of my things that that I always tell people is if you are consuming these for the idea of preserving lean and or building lean muscle mass I would say just just just go with protein that's supposed to be ca because you're actually giving your body and with with real whey protein or a protein Source, you're giving it the entire chain of amino acids to work with whereas BCAAs are giving you three valine leucine and isoleucine. Usually what's included correct? And the other thing is how does this apply to pre workouts in general? Not everybody buys our pre workouts that we sell at the body boot camp, but other pre-workouts if you were fasting you'd want to find one that obviously didn't have sugar in there are still a lot of enough sugar maltodextrine other versions of sugar. And there are other ones that load it up load up with BCAAs. So if you're going for the topology that Jodi is talking about those long-term super health benefits, then be sure whatever pre-workout you're taking doesn't include those things. You know, this is this is this is basically our pre workouts basically brain food. Yeah and and vasodilator and it contains zero calories. So, you know, you're not ingesting any caloric load at all the sweetener. They used to our Super Simple and Clean. It's a Elite extract with monk fruit. So it gives it a nice flavor and the color in it snow dies. It's colored with natural veg vegetables, which is beetroot juice powder. So yeah, I mean in before you turn your nose up at Stevia because I do to Steve you mate lot of times make stuff tastes weird that combination that they mix in there with the monk fruit really makes it taste pretty good. And we also have a line to it's called everyday fit. This is just a water enhancer to get you to drink a lot more water per day and this comes packed with Lots of great things for metabolism support your brain, they're called neurotropic factors for mood satiety and it's a great little tool to have especially for electrolytes because it does come with your magnesium sodium potassium. So you're having trouble getting your electrolytes or salts in it's a great way to add that to water quick and easy and this supplement does however have BCAAs and it's so bad back to what we said before if you were going to take this or something like this and you Understand that fasted State this probably wouldn't be a tapa G is what he's talking about. You still be in a fasted State because it's not going to spike your insulin. But however, it will take you temporarily out of the etapa G, which is the cleanup of your cells, but you will still be able to lose body fat. So I know a lot of clients are just trying to start this fasting thing and it's you know hit or miss and it's kind of a deal-breaker when you know, they can't put some cream in their coffee or you know, that maybe drink something with flavor in it. So this would be about the same as putting, you know some crazy. Cream in your coffee use your claw or quote your insulin loads not going to spike. So everyday fits just fine. If you want to continue on your fasted State and have some tasty water. I mean the other the other benefit to fasting in general is people that are people that it previously of eating a lot of food. I have a high caloric load it helps. It's just a tool for people to not eat so much. That's as long as they're focusing on getting their protein intake and they can utilize fast as a tool to give them a window to eat so their color clothes Around the day. It is not outside the used to be and we're talking about fasting for those of you out there who have maybe new to this concept. We're just asking you to shorten the hours of the day you eat your food. So it's a shorted shortened eating window. So not even necessarily the quantity of your food is going to be less. It does sometimes tend to because you just don't have that much time to eat and you find you're not as hungry. But all we're asking you to do is basically push the food window to about an eight-hour window. So most people I'll choose somewhere between like 11 a.m. To 7 p.m. To eat their food and that could be three meals. It could be two meals it could be whatever is comfortable for you and doing that like we talked about that at apogee. It gives your body a chance to actually clean up some dead cells debris junk, you know make less dark circles and wrinkles on your skin just it's really beneficial for anti-aging and it actually giving your body a break from having to digest food right is a wonderful and That for your energy Supply because digestion takes a lot of energy and you'll notice that you actually start burning body fat without having to do a thing because your body gets a chance to get the insulin levels low enough for can tap into your body fat for your fuel. So it's just a great added benefit for our program or your inline your kind of tipping into that that ketogenic activity goes on with with the ketogenic diet. You just only doing it for short period of time. So, yeah. All right. So I think that question was answered next we have one. From Rick Rick see Eric asks, how do I get rid of fat at abdominal and sides so I can see all of my abs and obliques need to get rid of all the waste abdominal fat. I'm at the North Palm location. Can you give me an excuse me? Can you give me routine exercises that focus on this area when I'm at home best regards Rico kind of that kind of a classic question that is receiving the gym all the time. How do I how do I move fast? From one spot I had how do I get rid of one area you want to tackle or do you want me to well, so I think this one is one that probably we could both tackle and even some of our members are kind of familiar with this because it's kind of like a parrot phrases that we use over and over you cannot spot reduce fat. Unfortunately. I wish we could you know, and there is an entire industry of people selling workout equipment on TV. He at night basically peddling a guy showing if you work out your abs here. You're going to lose fat here. You know with this with this Magic Machine. If you do this with your abs you're going to lose fat in that are in it simply doesn't happen. Now you Rick you can spot increase your muscle. You can increase that abdominal muscle underneath the fat but you need to get rid of that layer of fat to see them. I guarantee Rick you got some ABS under there and you Egypt we just can't see them because of the layer of body fat. So you want to focus Is on getting shirt or ensuring that your body is burning fat. Now, if you have more so in the abdominal area that could be due to genetics but it could also be due to your lifestyle stress tends to increase a lot of abdominal fat visceral fat as well. Yeah, it's the worst kind so first step would be to make sure that you manage your stress in your life. Meaning that you quickly, you know, not letting things, you know, piss you off. Having coping mechanisms meditation sleep. All right sleep is a great de-stresser. The more sleep that you actually get each night will help you decrease cortisol, which is one of the stress hormones making sure that's on point first and then of course your diet so intermittent fasting is a great way to actually help, you know, just speed up fat loss in general. So if you're not doing that you might want to play around with maybe a longer fasting window. You can also do a little bit more. Protocols we you dial your fat down just a little bit in the diet. Your body uses the fat on your body instead of the fact that you're eating making sure your protein is high keep that adequate. Well, make sure that you're not consuming excess processed carbohydrates sugars. Be careful with that. I think there's a there's a misconception that's gotten popular with all these high fat ketogenic diets. These books coming out Gary taubes books with their titles like good fat bad fact. Calories bad calories the Time Magazine cover with butter on it where people have we've shifted away from carbohydrates, but now some people have been like hey, you can eat as much fat as you want. It's fine. I mean, I think if I were to pick a macro, that's the one I would I would I would select if I were going to go overboard with it, but it's still fat still a form of energy for your body to use. So if you're giving your body a ton of fat or you're trying people out of people unlike say the ketogenic diets become really popular. He was loading up on butter. It's like yeah, you will be burning fat, but you're burning the fat that you're sticking in your mouth. So we want to be burning the fat off your body. So once you've your body is regulated to our nutritional protocol, we're on a lower carb approach. You can try to play around with a fat. You only need as much fat for your hormones do their job and it's individual for each person. So you guys just kind of play around with a point. So you're not feeling tired and rundown that your hormones are firing that you feel good. And just kind of play around with it. That would be one of the best tips and for abs, I'm telling you Rick. All you need to do is make sure your core is engaged with every single weighted exercise and any cardio exercise you do with us and your abs will get strong personally myself. I do nothing outside of just the regular fit body workouts for abs nothing. So I'm not like focused on my abs. I focus on the diet. Just keeping them intact strong whenever I work out and eventually if you The protocol you'll start being able to strip off the layer of body fat see them and speaking of common things paired it in the kitchen. They always say abs are made in the kitchen, right? I'm sorry parotid at the gym abs are made in the kitchen. So and and that's that's so true. So, okay. So next one on read this one and every this one sure okay, here we go. So here's my question Linda S. I have arthritis for herniated discs stenosis. Blah blah blah blah blah and lower back from a car accident. My neuro always my neurologist always refers to me as it refers to me as it's perfect storm with all my back. He's just now I was taking Tramadol for the last 15 years last year. I stopped taking his afraid of addiction and my head I believe as a lose weight the pain will lessen as I strengthen my core. It will get easier to but aside from the days we focus on back what type of exercise our best to do at night and ofttimes and how often should I do them? I can vest I've now taken Tramadol if the last few back and shoulder classes because I'm so uncomfortable two days after after those particular classes, but just one never for a day like I was before so thank you. Wow. Alright, so lots of things doing back here. So my first suggestion that would be the easiest to implement would be taking fish oil EFA. So essential fatty acids, there are special because they're building blocks that make our hormones membranes Eyes Ears brain sex organs and are part of every cell in your body. And again, you must get these essential fatty acids from your diet because your body can't make them. So these omega-3 fatty acids are found in the body oils of cold water ocean fish like cod mackerel halibut Herring and tuna and the benefits of you know, that essential fatty acid supplementation their vast and varied. So these guys are anti-inflammatory and that means they can benefit most if not all types of inflammation. Action, you might not be aware that heart disease is actually a form of inflammation and that's why FAS are currently recommended to all cardiac patients. The EFA supplementation greatly reduces the risk of many many related conditions to cardiovascular disease even like cancer depression inflammatory diseases of joints connective tissue, kidney disease renal failure osteoporosis, asthma prenatal postpartum support diabetes insulin resistant. Many other diseases as well and it increases your resting metabolic rate and improves body composition regulation and they these essential fatty acids. They are vital and accelerating fat loss by turning on the lipolytic gene. That's your fat burning Gene and turning off the lip of genic Gene the fat storage Gene. So this would be potential for Linda to help with any inflammation. She's dealing with so in the past, you know, like days of old caveman old. Consumed ample quantities of efa's. We didn't suffer from arthritis or die from heart attacks January were eaten by lions or some Beast action. So but you know, as our diets, we've become more and more processed more prepackaged are intakes of these essential fatty acids have dramatically plummeted. Yeah. We had a we had about a one to one ratio. He's we used to yeah, even today Hunter like modern-day hunter-gatherers. They their ratios range from 1 to 4 to 4 1 one where we are between for omega-6 to omega-3 standard American diet were between 20 and 30 to 1. So we're ingesting that much more omega-6 fatty acids. That's crazy, which is and that's one reason. We also tell you guys to avoid the processed oils sunflower oils the highest in that a family Tori omega-6 and it's in every like health package product because a sunflower sounds very healthy. So when they slap sunflower oil on there you think oh, this is healthy and it's the most Ettore oil and that's one way it just creeps up into all of our packaged products that and the corn oil soybean oil cottonseed oil safflower oil all of them. So we have you sticking with good quality, you know animal fats avocado oil olive oil butter. So even going back to the essential fatty acids one study actually showed that it can increase your metabolism as much as 400 calories per day per day. So that itself should be just a reason for all of the clients to take and that's one of the reasons I recommend this supplement to everyone now, how much do you take so most fish oil or EFA pills? They're usually around a thousand milligrams, but that thousand milligrams is only about 300 milligrams of the EPA EPA and DHA. So what does that stand for? Well, the EPA is the Epic Osa Penta Empanada kascid and the DHA is Adele Cosa hexa fnatic acid. You don't need to know what those stand for but that's the good stuff. That's the stuff. We want the EPA and DHA. So that means about only 30 percent of most pills, you know is the stuff we actually want so why is that a big deal because to get the optimal benefit you're going to have to shove down tons of pills into your mouth and that's never fun. So you want to find a source that's concentrated. And we actually we found one too. It's in my Jody run store if you're interested in In a concentrated pill where you don't have to take six to ten of them. You can check out Jodi run.com forward slash store and I've got the fish oil in there easy to grab and actually fit body is coming out with its own fish oil supplement line to that's locally sourced. It's going to be cold pressed wonderful magic magic magic magic angels and unicorns are going to make it so I can't wait so that's in route as well. But until then my store contains one, that's Good vitamin vitamin shop has a good one The Vitamin Shoppe brand. But again, it does have a quality Source, but you're going to have to take a lot of them because it's not concentrated. The the big thing is don't buy the ones that don't specify EPA DHA because they're usually just they usually different like cod processing plants exactly. You have to be careful with oil because it's sensitive to heat and light so you don't want to get one that's been sitting on a shelf for a long time or it hasn't been any been independently tested by another lab because supplements guys there. Not regulated so they can tell you whatever the heck they want to so unless they're tested outside of their company from an independent lab that tests the quality and what's in it. You don't know what you're getting. You don't so basically Linda asked for she has chest pain issues. So I'm assuming you're doing you answer the fish oil section for her campaign issues, right something to test out something try for a few weeks. He actually feels now she asked what about particular exercises? Okay, so to do that what You're good. So you have a you're suffering from lower back pain? And you said you know, I need to strengthen my core. It's going to get easier. That's true. But it's a misconception that back pain is due to a weak core. So let me explain something here with muscle activation. It's called reciprocal inhibition and all that means is reciprocal you have pairing muscles. So you have a muscle that will move the joint and you have one that will move it back down. So they're opposite muscles. For example, you know if you're doing a Bicep curl. You got your bicep muscle that is the prime mover and on the opposite end. You have the tricep, you know the muscle on the back of your arm that brings it down. So those two are paired together. Now when you think about your hip flexors, those are you know, the how would you explain that the muscles right here in your pelvis when you sit down that shorten and today in society guys lets you know, let's be real we sit way more than we should right you sit in a car. When you drive you sit at a table when you eat food you said at a table when you do work, you see you lay in the the fetal position when you sleep you sit on the couch to watch TV all day long were stuck with those hip flexors tight. Now the opposite muscle of those hip flexors. Are your glutes your butt. So what happens is as that muscle those hip flexors are tight at sends a neural drive to the opposite muscle your but telling it to relax so all day long while you're sitting you're in that seated position your glutes are getting a signal relax relax relax relax relax. So because of that overstimulation to relax it's really hard now to activate your glutes and the glutes are one of the strongest and most important muscles on your body. So because of that we get this droopy glute syndrome. We're about to start the glutes your but just starts to Sag and it sags in sex because it cannot get activated now, why is that an issue for Linda's back problem? Because here's the thing anything you do for Back like a bent over row a deadlift, right? We're trying to activate the back muscles are you know, you're trying to I'm sorry trying to activate your glute muscles what happens is the glutes won't activate. So it pulls in the back muscles instead. So overcompensates. This is a where week let's pull in some helpers and it grabs your back. So now you're back is doing all those heavy lifting that the glutes were supposed to do and this is where back pain starts to surface. So one of my main, In suggestions with back pain is to activate glutes. So how do you do that? Well any exercise where you just have that mind-body focus and you're using your butt to do the work like an easy one at home would be glute Bridges bridges hip thrust like lay your back on the edge of a couch. You can put a weight a water bottle a child over your lap and just thrust your hips forward. All right, so constantly engaging your glutes and once you have that activation, then you can start using the back for any exercise that way, you know, the glutes are Wrong they're going to do their job. The back is not going to overcompensate for them. So my suggestion would be of course the glute Bridges at the house hip thrusts the clam shells where your legs are laid out like an Indian position feet or touching and you press up with the heels do those first and then I would start with some bent over rows Linda. So after your glutes are activated, you can feel them you hinge at the hips and you can use a little band if you have any resistance bands at your house put that over your foot and You're just going to pull back on that and use now you can focus on using your back your lower back to do the work. It's and as always be sure your protein and takes up to so your body can repair and build. Yeah, sleep. Yeah, of course. You need to be sleeping for Recovery making sure that I don't know. How many does it say how many classes she's taking any sessions? I would say, you know, just making sure that your you have adequate adequate rest in your protocol may be doing three times. If you're doing more than three, you know, maybe knock it back. Just so you can prioritize the recovery part. So if your fish oil and sleep Right on. Alright, here's the next one Darryl. Hi, my name is Darryl and I have a few questions in regards to the whole plan in general with the nutritional plan. Are we supposed to follow the book and it's list per instructor if we modify as long as portions are correct on the same note. Can we do what can we do if there was food allergies to recipes and menus in the program besides the session sleep nutrition. Is there anything else we can do to help maintain our goals throughout the program? She's got a lot of questions in here. We have to tackle them one. One here. Can we continue to use everything given after the six weeks transform you including workouts and nutrition plan? Why are you going so fast? I need to hear exactly. What ok, ok super fast. Can we continue to use everything given after the six weeks for transform your including the workouts nutrition plan. Thanks for all of the attention with these questions. Looking forward to see what I and others can learn from this benefit Daryl. So start with number one. Okay, I'll read the questions from here on out. That was really fast and Mumble. I hope you guys understood that so let's go back. Okay, so Darryl asked are we supposed to follow the book and lisp or instruction are going modify. As long as the portions are correct as on our transform you get so here's a full cookbook and everything was so most of our programs out there. Do you come with nutrition? We make sure that it is always a done-for-you program. That way you don't have to Ask about anything but as I say Darryl, there is no Magic Bullet and following that protocol it's not like some magic is going to happen. If you do every single meal all the time every single day and follow the plan or if you ask accidentally skip a breakfast you like. Oh crap now, I'm not the Magics not going to happen right then work that way. So it's only there for you. So you can build a habit off of it. Once you have the nutritional protocol down and you're able to do this habitually without even needing the book and you know, What you're doing, you're golden go for it. Right do your own thing you can use this kind of as a guideline here. And there this is also Darryl why I included the food Matrix at the beginning of the book so you can create your own quick and easy meals in there. That's a one pot meal right you put some fat in there Brown the meat you add your spices your vegetables close it boom done, right? So that's so you can do your own thing quick and easy as well. And we also provide a Foods list, right that's for your ideas for substitution substitution, right because you can substitute Anything you like as long as it's you know within the nutritional protocol guidelines, and of course, your ultimate tool is Google you can type in whatever ingredients you have. I like to type Tito after it just so I know they're not going to add sugar in it, but you can also do low-carb after it and boom you'll find tons of different recipes tons of different ideas that you can do and just be sure you really do know how to wing it before you try winging it right? We don't want to end up at McDonald's eating Big Macs because you winged it. So if you're confident and what you are Looking for by all means do your own thing and you know lean on us with questions or for guidance. And I also have a post in the private group. If you do a search in there, you'll find out how to eat healthy when you eat out at restaurants. So if you type in restaurants in the search and our private group, you'll see all of my tips and tricks and guidelines there and Shannon just post a video with Kim at Longhorn Steakhouse. Where were they I think so. Yeah. They're ordering off the menu there like think dear. I think Darrell's Del Rey, maybe though. I don't know if Was it yeah, I don't know if it was in the dressing room next chunk of the question. But before we move on Daryl know that you can use that book as a tool for ever, you know, feel free to continue to use the recipes the ideas as long as you want. You can recycle them, you know, feel free to stick with that book as long as you're happy with it. You can use it as a security blanket blanket basically for the rest of your life. So don't feel bad if you want to keep using it and continue using it. So it's there for All right, besides the sessions sleep and nutrition. Is there anything else we can do to maintain goals throughout the program? So let's see here. He's got the big three. He's got the big three water intake be sure water intake is substantial when you're working out the other. I mean, one of the other big things is just kind of focusing on your mindset while you're doing this because we all know that initial motivation when you start a program kind of Fades a lot, you know, you get Midway through and you naturally we just get used to it and it's mindset is is probably it's probably the most important thing to getting to getting results and any Lounging tasks we undertake in life. So monitoring your mindset As you move through as your weeks in it's very important thing else here Jodi sleeping nutrition sessions. Well, so I mean that's that's the ticket there. I mean, there's no magic bullet here Daryl at all. What you're doing is going to get you the results. You're after if you're doing the sessions properly. I mean we can do some tweaks, but just making sure that you're prioritizing your sleep because sounds like you are in the nutrition and working out, you know at the sessions with the maximum level of effort making sure You're not cheating yourself, you know stop and three seconds early using heavier weights going slower really really pushing yourself in that finisher. Then that's that's your ticket and you follow a nutritional protocol and then if you know as you're on track to your goal, we always do a little measurement here and there with the body scanner just to make sure that we keep you on track and see if there's anything we can tweak for you sometimes wait having some whey protein might might be beneficial. Did you test out some supplements? It depends it's all Theon your situation I would ask if your are you seeing goals if you are continue what you're doing if you're not if you're way off on your goal then come in and chat with us and we can kind of tweak some things here and there and help you out and see what we can do to try to jumpstart it make it go a little faster but in that, you know, just make sure that your heads always in it knowing that this isn't a quick fix there are this is lifetime. So you are doing this to make sure that you regenerate healthy cells in your body to regenerate a healthier stronger use so you can always live disease-free be healthy climb stairs play with kids grandkids neighbors whom ever do all the things that you wanted to do and not have to worry about your body holding you back and that's what this is about you only live once you might as well make your body as optimal as possible and be as healthy and a strong and as happy as you can I just my dad 7 just turned 76 a couple days ago and I just had the neighbor came over and he said my dad's are my Father-in-law's 75 and he's in the hospital in a wheelchair like she I mean it's amazing how and I know there are some factors we can't avoid but 75% of those factors are lifestyle related and you know, there's the other 25% you have to you have to work with but lifestyle is just so important as we age and I know my dad is stayed active and he's he's out there shoveling dirt and Swinging pickaxes and climb it up-and-down. Jungle Val. He's he's yeah and you believe whatever excuse you tell yourself so stop. Stop telling yourself excuses, right there's you can do whatever basically whatever you put your mind to it. You can 39 now. I needed to slow down a little bit early. So almost 39. All right? Oh, yeah, what was this? You read this one? Yeah, let me know. Okay. Yeah, Mary Kate asks. Hi guys. I love the Delray boot camp and the instructors and interns. They are upbeat and fun. It's the best 30 minutes of my day to be truthful. They are wonderful. Funny encouraging to all my question is about building muscle as we age. What can I do diet-wise to help with increasing muscle mass? If possible. I would also like to build my muscles in my arms legs. And of course my rear specifically on the bottom where it tends to disappear with aging. Is there anything else I should be doing other than the class? I tried to attend five days a week. I have seen changes and I'm stronger and my body has slimmed. I'm not trying to lose weight but fighting against Muscle loss which will help with my skin tone. And of course osteoporosis any thoughts suggestions are appreciated Mary-Kate. All right. So with this kind of the same similar Concepts we were talking about with building muscle. You can build muscle at any point in time. The best tip for muscle is time under tension. So that means you want that muscle to be under some resistance for a good amount of time and this Occur actually by picking up heavier weight and moving slower. So you want to be careful to not let momentum do the job for you and it's tough in a high intense protocol like our sessions are so you need to be really mindful of the moment you pick up those weights. You're not jerking them around the movement starts as soon as you pick those up. So you want to think in your head my core is tight. I'm going to get those weights and my movement has started now because the weights are in my hand and I'm going to place those weights exactly. Where I want them to go same with cardiovascular movement, you can actually get more muscle activation by placing your body where you want it to go and I use the example all the time at the finisher whenever everyone's super tired and there's kind of throwing their body around just trying to last, you know, like jumping jacks or just like and their arms are going everywhere. The legs are going they don't even know where their body parts are going. If you can just be mindful and take out the jump and just step it out and say I'm placing my hand here. I'm placing my Here you will activate a lot more muscle fibers and you'll get a more efficient workout. Just being mindful. So always think about that mind-body connection, you're going to activate and recruit more muscle fibers to build them. So time under tension move slower. I'm also in our private group Mary. I do have a post about how to build muscle. So if you just search muscle in the group that will pop up you can read more tips and tricks. That's one other thing too with muscles. It takes you know it It's building blocks, which is protein. So you want to make sure you're getting adequate protein and increasing that just Tad, you know, that way we can get optimal protein synthesis happening and plenty of sleep because that is where the rebuilding happens. So just to note remember that workouts. They are catabolic meaning it's a stressor to your body your body tears down stuff when you're working out so it's a slight stress and that means your body needs to be distressed sleep. Right need that sleep and needs an anabolic window for it to build back up what you tore down at that work out and that will only happen if you fed it some good quality protein, and you're getting good quality sleep. So you do need to prioritize your rest as well because that's where all the magic happens. And if you say you're going five days a week. I would suggest to you to increase your intensity during three sessions and dial it back. So you're going to stop coming five times a week and dial it back. Back to maybe three four times a week and go a little bit more intense at those sessions. Meaning you're going to try a heavier weights and you're going to move those weights lower. You're not going to stop early and you're going to be mindful where you place your body at all times even during the finisher. So there's a lot of researches on a whey protein with seniors who have recovered from illness or long hospital stays. They lose a lot of muscle whey protein is the it's the ticket for quality protein seems to really be effective for specifically seniors and one thing There are two weeks since we do high intensity workout. We work through our energy phases in the body pretty quickly and our first cycle of energy can actually be depleted pretty quickly. So you can't push as hard. So one easy dirt-cheap supplement always recommend is creatine creatine monohydrate. It can kind of help with that First Energy phase for high intense workouts and you just take a little teaspoon of it at night and that might help just for you to push a little bit harder so you can build a little bit more money. Soul to just another tip right on anything else. Diet-wise increased protein. So yeah, so and so for building muscle in your legs aren't wherever you want the muscle you just need to make sure you're picking up adequate amount of weight and moving slow and you will build it and those are some of those those those glute activation exercises are tough to do slow because their tortures when you slow down a little bit. Alright we go on to the next question. All right. So Lauren Lauren broke. She says hi there. So I have two questions. I started to fit body almost two months ago been coming three times a week weighed in on 5:30 and signed up for the six-week challenge increased water intake getting good sleep following meal plan. Although I'm confused about serving sizes. So question 1 I am confused about the meal plan serving sizes in the beginning of the book. It says women should be eating Palm sized amount of protein, but for example, there's a recipe. For the steak and broccoli stir-fry. It is meant only for one meal lunch, but it says it serves to so I assume instead of the 12 ounces of rib eye I should do six ounces but that is basically also double the amount that it stated at the beginning of the book. I've asked three people and I got different answers some say I should be eating the full 12 ounces. But then why does it say it serves to the others say one serving should be six ounces so which is it? I've been feeling super tired sore. Lethargic despite keeping up with the water sleep meal. Eels so I am not so am I not eating enough? All right question to weighed in yesterday, and I don't think I've even lost a pound in the last month and actually weighed about the same two months ago. So, how do I know if I'm not making any progress or if there is a positive shift and lean muscle mass and body fat reduction. Thanks for making the space for these kinds of questions best Lauren. All right. So let's go back to tackle question 1 so she's confused about the meal plan serving. Sizes so with this and no also Lauren that the suggested guideline at the beginning of the book is what you follow because everybody's body frame is different. That means everybody's protein requirements are also going to be different. So with this you start as a basic premise with your palm. So as a female you should be getting three to four Palm size servings of protein a day. So now you keep that in mind and as long, Long as you are getting I would I would almost err on the side of caution say for so let's say you're eating to two meals a day. You're going to make sure in both of those meals you get to Palm sizes of protein and then you're good. So going back to your steak your steak salad, if that's your one of your two meals eat the whole 12 ounces. If you're going to have two more meals eat the six ounces whatever is going to fit in the palm of your hand. So kind of use that as your guide line and you can ignore the serving suggestions, you know, because you are going to actually Be modifying it for your needs based on the size of your palm on let's just let's just also reconfirm with Lauren that it's not really necessarily about what you eat at one meal. It's about the macros that you're giving your body throughout the day. So as long as she getting her she's getting her protein requirements of your palm based requirements throughout the day. She's solid your body is really efficient at moving around his nutrients and macros and using them official in your body. So there's even people that I know that do one meal a day. That's that's you know, like a didn't Doesn't Peter Peter Atia do one is yeah, one meal a day guy does it's called The Warrior Diana. This is one big huge meal a day. Alright, alright. So now the feeling of Sephardic part of your question takes a lot more deeper diving into your situation because I can't just analyze it based on that statement. The first thing you said you get sleep, but that doesn't tell me much because I've had clients that sleep ten hours and wake up exhausted. So you really need a quality sleep that means You're having your body actually get into the deep waves of sleep that are restorative and are doing what it's supposed to do. So with this you need to make some adjustments and making sure that you cut off any type of stimulants like caffeine nicotine by noon making sure that you're blocking out any type of light. So even overhead lights in our house can affect the people the pineal gland in your body not making you produce serotonin so that you fall asleep at night. So you want to be careful on all of our Devices at our house. We have a blue light filter and all the smartphones have them now. Look at it is is the night the night filter make sure that's on so if you do stare at your phone before bed, it's blocking out the blue light same on your computer anything you're looking at try not to watch TV, especially before you're going to bed. You can also turn down the temperature of your room by you know, a couple degrees. We usually have it between 68 to 72 degrees. Get your body into a deeper sleep making sure you don't have any Ambient light so block out your room. Make sure your phone's not blinking clocks not blinking also any noise to so you sometimes like just a circulating fan in your room to ambient noise. That way you're not startled in case you hear something that wakes you up quickly. Also, if you do have trouble with feeling like you've got restorative sleep you might want to try a supplement that just helps with neurotransmitters magnesium is a good one. On zinc, there's a brand. Well, it's a brand name. Do you remember the ma MHP makes it makes a cool sleep supplement. Okay. So M HP and that's on my online store to Jodi run.com forward slash store. If you want to look in there, it's called MHP and that just helps get you into a deep sleep as well. So besides besides sleep. We've seen a couple of factors that way and I mean, you're right you do need to dive in a bit and it might even require maybe a sit-down with one coaches, but One of the big things as alcohol intake what's alcohol intake look like it could be that no alcohol before bed. I would try removing that and I know it's not fun, but definitely that before going to bed because even and I am in night cap kind of guy. I enjoy a little bourbon, but I've always told myself through the life that it helps me sleep and it absolutely doesn't it's actually there's there's a lot of science that shows that even a little bit alcohol before bed doesn't give you you might go to sleep and have your eyes closed but you're not going to have quite as quality sleep and it's He's up your REM Cycles. So get out of the nightcap mind said if you're if you're someone like me, the other thing is what we would dive into if we're going to talk about your nutrition on that would be one real quick. It was argick. Make sure you get salts. Yeah, you know, you're hitting screen Bo you okay? So if you're hitting a wall you want to make sure that you are really good on your electrolytes. It kind of sounds like you may not be consuming enough salt and believe it or not. Even even like taking a bouillon Cube putting it in some hot water getting a car. A bone broth chicken stock at the store. You don't have a kado with some soy sauce. That's like yeah that gets your soul gets potassium cesium that that's an awesome combo. Yeah, and I there's a lot of even online supplements that are just the electrolyte sodium potassium magnesium. You can get that put it into your water. Of course, we sell every day every day that has it. Yeah, but that would be a first sign I would have you go to you're getting enough water put the salt in there. Another thing that happens is we still don't deal with almost a religious fervor on the low-fat mentality. It's what kind of creeps back in and I think a lot of people when they move on to nutrition plans, they still really try to skimp on fat sometimes to the point where they their caloric intakes too low so it could be that she's not eating enough, you know, maybe she's eating all the protein in the veggies you're giving her, but her fat intake is not high enough and she just is she's at risk of not only being tired but also as you lean mass the other The other side of the do you want to add in on that? Yeah. So upping your protein should help you feel a little bit better. So whatever you're consuming now, I would increase it and increase maybe to another Palm sized portion. And also what will help to so you're not feeling as lethargic is one night a week. You're going to have a carb a start your car with your dinner. So what I would suggest is starting with just a cup of white rice at it with your dinner and white rice is very Tropic so that means it will quickly release insulin, but then the incident quickly goes out of your system. So it's not lingering around in there and that's going to help to reset a hormone called leptin leptin will allow you to burn more body fats can make you feel better too. It's going to push the glucose into your muscle cells just make you feel a little bit better too. So those would be our three tips to help you and that's also a good kind of testing phase 2 if you are following a lower carbohydrate protocol and For most people they're fine for some people they require more carbohydrates here and there and it's really just a matter of testing what our how our genetics that the deck of cards. We were given with our genes but be conscious of how you feel, you know, the following days of that and if it's if it's something night and day than maybe want to explore that a little deeper, you know their coaches or we can we can go into may be another answer another question on the podcast. Okay. So your second question about your way in so the main the main focus of our program Lauren are non scale victories and why is that bad? Why don't we have the scale as their Victory because the scale only measures are gravity of the earth. It doesn't doesn't measure bone. What's in the digestive system the muscle mass that mass it's just it's just one solid wait, so we want to know what how your clothes are fitting. Actually. Are you losing body fat specifically body fat? It's easy. It's easy to give someone a cleanse or a detox program or they drink a liquid for five days. And yeah, you'll lose a bunch of water weight digestive way. You can lose up, you know 10 pounds in a week. But what what is what are those 10 pounds comprised of its just its silliness TT would think like that but she did say over two months though. So let's attack that. So here's the thing. My best guess is your clothing making is your clothing still fitting the same. If you went to my orientation or if seen any of my orientations, you see the examples I put on there are six week Challengers that lost only 5 pounds, but they look dramatically different. Yeah, you asked the crowd and yeah. Hey, how much did we did she leave a note 5 I get up to 50 pounds. It looks like it looks like she lost but she only lost 5 on a scale. So what we you know focus on here is making those metabolic changes because what happens as you build this muscle, it's not just But it's your bones your bones will increase in density, which is a great thing and you won't see that but it'll weigh more on a scale and that's a great thing. You want that bone density to prevent osteoporosis. Also your joints your fibers your ligaments thicken again, you won't see a visual change with that but that's going to weigh more on a scale and to build that muscle fiber. We have to tear it down its micro trauma. It's those tiny microscopic tears all of your body. And this is why we're sore after a workout it's because we're injured and when you're injured your body is inflamed. And the inflammation pulls water to the inflammation site and that's going to weigh more on a scale as well. Especially if you're ingesting all the salts and stuff. Yes, right. Exactly. We don't care about water who cares no, and and all of those muscle fibers, they hold 3 grams of water. So, you know, if you've got an electrolyte imbalance, all that water is pulling to each muscle fiber and that's going to weigh a lot more on a scale but it's not body fat. So to be successful in our program, you've got to understand you know this little Different chemistry of changing your body composition you're building a machine that's going to keep you where you want the rest of your life. This isn't a typical. It could just happen during your way in Zack. Maybe you've done a workout prior that was you know new on you you got inflamed. You're sore you're carrying a little bit of water weight around and then you know, it shows up on the scale. There could be many things menstrual cycles the time of day you weigh in the time of month you weigh in for females in particular. You want to pick the exact same time of day exact same time of months for our Cycles are Girls can throw off our weight, you know by about five ten percent know how what Lawrence starting body fat percentage was but you know, if if it's none of this that we went over it requires a bit more of a deep dive right? I mean we need to really ask them questions. Otherwise, we're kind of throwing throwing darts darts blindly. But again, just remember you so you want to know how you're making progress your clothes. So make sure you have like a pair of jeans or a dress that you're constantly trying on to see if you know, it's fitting different. Also, ask your coaches to see how much body fat percentage you've lost and your lean tissue. So if your lean tissue is actually going away this would be something we need to address with your hormones. That would be your sleep and your protein intake first and foremost and then possibly doing that Carbonite one night a week and we want you building lean tissue actually once you gaining weight in some ways, but we want your body shrinking too. So it should look smaller even though it weighs more. All right. So let's move on to sue so soon says I follow the Paleo. I follow the Paleo two bottles of paleo. I started when I joined the 80/20 protocol that means 80% of the time. She's good 20% of the time she cheats. She's that works. Well for me stuck on the fiber part my doctor suggested. I needed more fiber in my diet due to diverticulitis. Should I take Metamucil so You are first protocol would be try to get your fiber with real food because it's going to give you some vitamins and nutrients along with the fiber and it'd be cheaper. So vegetables that have the most soluble fiber are brussels sprouts avocados broccoli. I bet broccoli Sprouts to probably broccoli sprouts and flaxseed turnips carrots sweet potatoes apples guavas Pairs and sunflower seeds and of course. Figs famous for fiber and apricots and hazelnuts to so maybe adding avocados always great. Most people love them. They're higher on the list. So have those with some brussels sprouts roasted in the oven. Those are awesome. You can also add flaxseed oil is your suggestion had flaxseed to oh, yeah, you could add ground up flaxseed to sprinkle over salads things like that. Any anything really it does. Yeah bad much flavor the downside of things like like Metamucil is or any of these fiber supplements that are basically psyllium husk. You're like you're if you're Your fiber from Real Food you're getting all the vitamins all the benefits encapsulated in the way that your body is is built to here is built to you know do it to ingest but if you're getting it from from just raw fiber, it's going to push things through your body and you're not going to be able to absorb a lot of the nutrients that came with that food. You're just kind of pushing it through your system and not take advantage of the food you're eating so and the good healthy gut bacteria loves fiber from vegetables. It's how they stay alive and eat. So if you can populate your gut with that then they're going to actually have you crave more of the vegetables that you're eating because I want to stay alive. I don't know if Sue's going to be happy with that answer. All we did was told her to eat more vegetables and your veggies your vegetables and water soon pacifically those and you know, put some avocado oil on them are eating with avocados. There you go. Alright. Alright, so next question is from so be So we be all right. Yeah, I read it. Hello. I'll let you read it. Since it says your name. Okay. Hello Jodie. I have always been a curvy woman and finding a good secure sports bra has presented a problem for me not having one has stopped me from being able to participate in Dynamic movements such as jumping jacks Etc. Do you have any suggestion as to brand or type? That would be good for me? Thank you. So subedar to so be I'm not sure if the t is silent. A lot of our clients have the exact same issues. So my first tip to you is going to be to post this in our private group and asked some of the members because I'm sure they'll shower you with love and ideas and suggestions. But for me, I did just a quick Google search and I looked at some of the top ranked Brands and a now that's Eeny LL. They actually have a women's high impact sports bra on Amazon that got a lot of great reviews and stars not looks like it's well. Built holds up to Quality and people have used it said it's one of the best for high intense workouts. So I will provide a link in the show notes for you if you want to take a look at them and try them out, but you know, unfortunately like for me I know just being in sports in general. I mean, I'm not as curvy as most women so I know a lot of girls who were bussed year than me. They always doubled up their sports bras and we're like two to three which can get uncomfortable but it does provide more, you know secure support for you in the meantime until you Get you know a high impact sports bra. Those are kind of my only tip I got it's a good thing for the private group really because yeah, so and I know like a lot of our members if they're not, you know bust your themselves. They're going to have a family member or friend that they would know and be able to push you into the right direction but more so, but again, I'll provide that link to a Nails women's high impact sports bra the Amazon one in the show notes. So if you want to click on that, that's yours. All right, I have one from Edward. Oh, this is our last question guys. Get one time a nice one. We got five minutes to tackle It Go five minutes. All right, I started with Fit Body on January 1st. 2019 Kim Weidman on July 1st, 2019 and measured my body fat at the end of six months. I lost 25 pounds in drop 5.6 percent body fat to be the top part top part of the proper percentile for my weight. Nice work awesome my goal for the next six months is to repeat the results of my first six months. This will coincide with my 80th birthday on December 30th you Of invited to observe my way in and I am serving pizza. Although I feel stronger. I'm still having trouble with balance and getting off my feet. All of the girl instructors are stronger than me. How do I get over the embarrassment asked them to help me off the floor. Also what exercises can I do at home to supplement the workouts and strength in my arms fit bodies the right choice for males and females at any age. I am the proof. Happy Fourth of July Ed. All right, Ed. So first congratulations on 80 that is fantastic and Losing more fat getting to that next gold just be sure that you're sleeping enough. That's a priority especially as you get older party is sleeping and your protein. So make sure that you're falling or nutrition protocols, which is lots of protein non-starchy fibers veggies good quality fats animal fats in particular tend to help men with testosterone production. So keep that in mind also intermittent fasting and also high intensity exercise have both been shown to increase human growth hormone so that can help you burn fat and build muscle. At the same time just be sure that you're avoiding or at least limiting your intake of grains sugar and processed foods and oil. So save that pizza for your reward now for balance a misnomer that you have to do any special exercises. You do not strength training and getting stronger also improves your balance. So don't think like I have to isolate balance. I'd start by strengthening your legs and your quads. So one thing you can do is do a very slow sumo squat to a one leg isolation hold. So what you're going to do is sumo squat down and as you come up, you're just going to slowly bring one leg off the floor. Once you stabilize you do it again and switch legs now for your chest and arms you're going to practice a very slow- push-up where you do a hand release and a one-armed stable stabilization. So you do a push-up and try to slowly lift one hand off the floor and then go back into the push-up position and then you slowly Only slowly bring your body back to the floor you're going to rest and then push back up into that push-up position and bring your other hand slightly off the floor. So you can also practice these against a wall or on an incline. Like if you got a staircase at your house that will work too and you can do these every night or every other night for about 15-20 minutes and that should also help with your balance and stabilization and congrats Edward. Those are awesome results. Yeah, that's fantastic 80 years old and doing our high intense workouts. Fantastic your perfect example. So, all right husband some good stuff. That is well. Thank you guys again for joining us for episode 1 of transform you and we'll see you keep your questions coming in. 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If you're listening to this you obviously like podcasts and you probably like music to on Spotify. You can listen to all of that in one place for free. You don't need a premium account on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode download episodes to listen offline, wherever you are easily share what you're listening to with your friends via spotify's Integrations with social platforms, like Instagram Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now just search for empty frames on the Spotify app or browse podcasts in your library Tab and follow me. So you never miss an episode of empty frames Spotify is the world's leading music streaming service and now it can be your go-to for podcasts to On March 18th 1990 the most audacious art Heist of all time took place at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston. Check out season one of empty frames for a 12-episode dive into the Gardner Heist this season, we will be exploring other art crimes and significant moments in the art world before returning to the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. Least this is empty frames. Welcome back to empty frames. I'm Tim here today with Lance in the crawlspace studios in worm Town Lance. How goes it it's going pretty well. How are you today? I'm doing great. I tried to riff just long enough to get me. My coffee because that's what I do right before we need to talk. I take a big swing a cough. Well, this episode is pretty interesting Lance. We again talk to Paul turbo hendry's really become an our partner on this, uh, our go-to in the empty frames world in the world of art heists art crimes significant moments in art history and back by popular demand not only through necessity on our end, but the crowd really likes them too. He's so knowledgeable he Blogs about the case. So check out his Blog the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum Heist case. Yeah and all cases and about our crime in general to yeah. There's he's got a Blog called Art hostage and you can link to them in the show notes that are also about art crime and he's just an interesting guy. He's been at this for a long time Lance started off as a knocker. That's somebody who will case a home for artwork something that could be stolen so he then Delivers that information back to the people that are going to go steal it so we started off as a criminal and now he's a go-between a liaison between people who are involved in our crimes and law enforcement and he writes about it and he does research all the time. He helps recover pieces of art. So that's what we're talking about. Here is his involvement in the recovery of DaVinci's Madonna. So we're talking about Leonardo DaVinci heard of them his version of Madonna of the yarn Winder. Really interesting painting. It's a woman holding a baby and there's also another version It's the Virgin Mary holding Jesus. Oh, well, yeah, that's a woman holding a baby and it was stolen from the Duke of buccleuch who could be Clues Castle. He just kept it behind a glass door like a glass encasement and these guys came in very as all art crime. All heists are very Brazen. They come in they grabbed it. They jump out the window a car chase ensues. But I'm not going to give it away to everybody right now turbo does a much better job as we just hop on and go for go for the turbo ride. All right, so buckle up everybody and enjoy this episode and we will be back in two weeks with our season finale of season 2 of empty frames. Thank you very much for listening. All welcome back to empty frames. How are you doing today? I'm doing great guys. Yeah, thanks a lot for joining us again here back by popular demand and also by necessity every time we look into something significant in the art crime or just general art World We tend to get into the underbelly of it and then we just tend to come right back to Paul turbo Paul Henry because he's got his finger on the pulse of everything. So back by popular demand and backed by necessity and what are we talking about today Paul? All well, she died. I'm going to take you on a journey which involves the theft of the Madonna of the yarn Winder by Leonardo DaVinci. It's one of only two versions known there's the version we're going to talk about which is owned by the Duke of buccleuch. And there's another version that's in America called the Lansdowne Madonna So This is the Leonardo DaVinci, right? What is he famous for? Leonardo da Vinci's famous, obviously for the Mona Lisa for his drawings and for being the general renaissance man in the Medici period So real quick, what's the difference between the buccleuch Madonna and the Lansdowne Madonna, which you said is in America and we're in America is that one? What was the Lions down with Donna is held in a private collection. And if you look at that, you can see mountains in the background which are lacking in the Duke of buccleuch version and Experts of come to the conclusion that the Lansdowne Madonna is partially painted by. Leonardo DaVinci and the Duke of buccleuch Madonna of the yarn Winder by Leonardo. Da Vinci was mostly painted by him a very very large amount. Why is there some discrepancy here? Well at the time when Leonardo da Vinci was painting he would have a studio and a lot of students he would be painting so many different works of art that sometimes he students would finish them off but I would do is perhaps little things like I don't know what A tree or or something like that. So you may not get a full 100% painting by Leonardo da Vinci. It's a lot of artists around that period or even throughout our history that the if they're fact when they're famous in their lifetime. They would have students and if they paint a serious amount then sometimes the students would complete them. Okay. So let me just see if I can figure this out a little bit more. So there's these two paintings that look nearly identical one of them. Is painted almost completely by DaVinci and the other one was probably started by DaVinci in front of his students and may be finished by a student. Well, yeah, I mean that's that's bicycle. Yeah, you know, the conversion is regarded as probably the primary version and you can tell by the six fingers on Virgin Mary's left hand in the Lansdowne version. I'm totally I'm totally kidding. I'm just kidding us are left hand. To be honest with you. I think it's extremely difficult to actually unless unless you're on and forensic expert to be able to distinguish them. You know, all we can say is it's one of the you know, it's one of the great artworks of the world. Okay, cool. Yeah, what's a little bit of the history here with the buccleuch one? I'm the Duke of buccleuch, I think bullshit at auction in I think 1787 or around that time and it's been in the family ever since and he's a he's Scottish Rite yet. The Duke of buccleuch is Scotland's largest landowner. He's an aristocrat and you know a member of the British Irish aristocracy and you know, probably half if not more of Scotland and class land Holdings. All around the world, you know, one of those quite old money goes back hundreds and hundreds of years that that don't ever really get mentioned to be honest with you. Yeah. I've never heard of a Duke of buccleuch and I call Lance the Duke of worm town, but it's kind of just an affectionate nickname because of our location here in Worcester. Yeah. Well, yes, I mean to be honest with you. It's it's subjective. You're a Duke I'ma Do For All Dukes. So Duke turbo when this painting was stolen. What is the story there? How did it get stolen right now strap yourself in for the turbo right on The DaVinci Madonna art Heist of 2003 awesome. Click it or ticket. Exactly. Yes in August 2003 two young men paid an entrance fee to drum Larry castle in Scotland home with the Duke of buccleuch to view the artworks and posed as tourists when they got to the room, which was Under the Staircase which had a cabinet which housed the Madonna of the yarn Winder by Leonardo DaVinci. There was one guard there. She was a young lady I think student one of the Thieves threatened her with a knife why the while the other Thief open the cabinet took out Madonna of the yarn Winder by Leonardo DaVinci and they both took off and jumped out of the window fled across the grass where they were confronted by two actual tourists from New Zealand and they responded don't worry. This is a practice with the police and they run to their vehicle that on the way to there. Vehicle they took the actual Madonna of the yarn Winder painting out of the frame through the front frame on the floor jumps in there Volkswagen and drove off at high speed. How large is this painting? Probably the size of I don't know probably 15 20 inches taken out of its frame. It's quite portable. You could put it under your coat. So anyway, so anyway, they're getting their Volkswagen. They drive off for one mile. Where they switch cars, they then set light to the to the Volkswagen and then they flee in the second car to Glasgow in Scotland, right? They then stashed The DaVinci Madonna. And wait for the initial. Blowback from the global media want to go back real quick to the castle drum drum land rig dram. Lari lari. Okay, this is a gigantic castle. Correct. This is a pizza my Z's everything, you know, we would Envision from the word Castle. It makes it makes Downton Abbey look like a two-up two-down. Not sure what that means but it doesn't sound good a TV show exported from the UK to the United States. So a lot of people in America would know of the TV Show Downton Abbey, which is filled in this huge mansion, but drum Larry Castle is Mega huge. Okay, okay, and they they escaped through a window was this a window that was on the first floor or second floor or seventh floor? It was the first row the ground floor ground for? Oh, okay. Yeah. I was housed in a cabinet with a glass from which you could open below the staircase. Of one of the staircases in from Larry Castle on the ground floor. That's pretty impressive that these guys pulled this off in 2003. You were not talking about the gardener how he's from 1990 when technology wasn't where it's at today 2003. There was still some pretty significant technology technological ways to prevent ice and just to just to go into the castle and simply open up a glass panel and then hop out the window and you said they burned the car as well, right? Yeah that a promise possible even 2019 you have homes in the UK and across Europe which are open to the public and by that very nature. It's extremely hard to provide a lot of security. So to be honest with you in America. Yes museums and homes. They do have a lot of security but in Europe and UK and Scotland, especially security is normally a secondary issue. Because I want to allow the public free access to the works of art and on the other question of burning out the vehicle. Yes, they fade from drum lowered castle with the Volkswagen. They they swap cars set light to the Volkswagen and strayed off towards Glasgow so they had a car waiting for him. Yes. Wow. Yes. Of course. I did and soon as they got back to Glasgow within a very very short period of time hours. Perhaps the truck. DaVinci Madonna was sold by the thieves to the Daniel crime family for $50,000 which doesn't sound a lot for a 50 million dollar painting. But for the thieves it was a day's wages a day's work. Well $25,000 each, you know for two three hours work. So the Daniel family and a Scottish Godfather of the criminal underworld called George Allen Shaw purchase T2 V2. Madonna shortly after the heist for $50,000. Okay. Let's back up real quick here. Do we know who the thieves were? Now that is a subject of debate because they left some DNA there and police have been unable to trace that DNA leading to two conclusions one that they had never had any criminal convictions and had their DNA taken before or more likely they probably weren't British. They may have been Eastern European or Europeans. So yes, the police currently still have that DNA but have not been able to match it to anyone. Okay is the method Of switching cars. Is that something common that we see in art crime during a getaway? Yes. I mean, I'm not crying if you're going to rob a country house, you might have a van and you would fill it up and then soon as you leave and get down the road and split the hole into which means that if you know, if one gets caught at least you've got half the hall so yes, I mean those things do happen Okay, and now you said that the weeded somewhere for the blowback from the media before they did anything else. So what was the what was that like again? Can you repeat that? And and how long was it that they waited there off to the heist the thieves got back to Glasgow and they went back to where they were living and within hours they met with someone from the Daniel crime family and gave them the DaVinci Madonna and they received $50,000 in cash. And then I just went about their life and they've never been heard of since okay. So this happened really quick. So it wasn't like they waited very long. So they sold it on the day. They stole it the guy's a sound or the following day or IV two days later, you know it was done for them. It was a commodity. Yeah, it was a commodity they stolen something which took a couple of hours. They sold it for $50,000 right to a combination of George Allen short and the Scottish guy. Father and the Daniel crime family. So now they are in possession of the davichi Madonna and they wrap it up and put it away and let the heat die down. I'm getting the sense that this might have been a pre-arranged thing. Do you think that this crime family and Shaw contacted these thieves and said we want the the Madonna or did they say get us something by DaVinci? It could have been he's all the things could have come. Across from Larry castle and sing a holy security during a previous visit and thought okay. We're still that and they know that they could sell stolen items to the Daniel family be they a DVD player a diamond ring or a DaVinci Madonna for a nominal amount. Yes. Some of the Daniel family could have had intelligence that drum. Larry Castle was vulnerable and the most valuable thing. Is that the Richie madano Whatever happened the theft happened and Daniel crime family and Georgia and short had possession of The DaVinci Madonna within a short period of time now selling stolen art that quickly is that something that happens most of the time some of the time or well, yes, I would say most of the time because first of all you have to remember not 99% of stolen art are not DaVinci, Madonna's. Are not Picasso's that they are works of art that are worth $10,000 $100,000 and maybe a million dollars but mostly 10 20 $30,000 so they can be sold on to a fence or a or a pawnbroker for a relatively small amount but even big things yes, of course you nishal things get an amount of money, which they're happy with for their day's work. It doesn't matter that davichi Madonna's worth 50 million dollars. It could have been worth. $500,000 $50,000 to those thieves will that afternoon's work or that morning's work right for them was fine. And so that was the end of that but the Journey For The DaVinci Madonna was only just beginning to pretty good hourly rate. I'd say yeah that works to be about a little bit more than minimum wage little bit more than what we make here crawfish. Media is a little bit. Yeah. Okay. So you just said the journey for this Madonna was just the beginning before you get into. To the continuation of the journey. Did you hear about this in 2003 when it happened? When were you were you immediately on the case obviously, and obviously it was a mouth-watering prospect to delve into there were rumors that it was the Scottish that it was a Scottish underworld that had possession of this painting. And I heard that initially it was wrapped up and it was hidden away in the Scottish city of Perth for about 12 months. How do you hear that? How does that information come to Turbo through contacts within the the art world the underworld also through law enforcement and the insurance industry as well, you know, and that ended up being credible. Yes. I mean to be honest with you looking back most of the information that I managed to obtain. Tain was accurate when we look back upon the case and how it developed. I mean I was in contact with the art loss adjuster who was brought in by the insurers hiscox a man called Mark Dalrymple from day one. I think I spoke to in the next day. And so to be honest with you, you know, I had my fingers in all the pies from day one really do people come to you. Did that guy come to you or did you reach out to him? Oh, you know I Mark Dalrymple for years and he I think he found me or I called him and said, what do you think about that? You know the DaVinci's gone missing and so it will be a case of you know at that stage. He wasn't even employed as the art loss adjuster but in the subsequent days and weeks he took over the case and we used to speak on a regular basis. Is there anybody in the UK that you don't know I think you can extend that in the global art crime weld from law enforcement. The underworld insurers themes victims there probably isn't anyone that. I don't know podcasters. Yeah, that's fair. But cost is yes. How is that? You're just a social butterfly or how do you know have so many contacts in this world? I don't know. I mean I suppose. Years of experience, you know, I started out on the wrong side of the tracks so to speak got an education and now I'm sort of a social commentator on the ark crime world. I mean, it's a quite an untapped weld that the very few people can consider themselves experts. I mean, you could name them on one hand the experts on our crime turbo Turbo. You know from each different angle and I find myself in my little beach house as a as a sort of epicenter of the global are crying gossip. That's great. So take us on the Journey of the Madonna post theft, right? Post tactics wrapped up and it's stashed away in Perth then. Within a year a year later. A private investigator called Michael Brown. Mike Brown will call him. approached George Allen short and said if you could help recover The DaVinci Madonna then maybe a substantial reward. Now in the meantime Mark Dalrymple had offered a substantial reward publicly on behalf of the insurers axle and hiscox of 200,000. Well, it was he said substantial than 200,000 300,000 and our crime conferencing Machin that the reward could even be a million pounds and shortly after the theft there was an article in the Scotsman newspaper which valued The DaVinci Madonna I've been worth 50 million dollars and that the value in the Underworld would be 6 million dollars. So obviously George Allen short saw that and would think that himself so he responded to the private investigator Michael Brown that yes, I mean if he could help recover The DaVinci Madonna, you know, the sort of figures would be talking will be 6 million pound six million dollars. Sorry six million dollars. hours So Mike Brown then goes to the Duke of buccleuch the elderly Duke of buccleuch and says I may be able to get your painting back, but the person who can help do that once six million dollars. So the Duke of buccleuch said well, okay, you know, let's talk about this and he gave The private investigator Michael Brown $50,000 as a Goodwill gesture which might Brown then took back to George short and gave to him which obviously reimbursed the Daniel family in George short of the original $50,000. They did when the thieves So then discussion started to take place about how the DaVinci would be handed back and how they would do it. But then all of a sudden the case took a Sinister turn when Mark Dalrymple the art loss adjuster appeared in a TV show which was a three-part show about it was called The Big Heist which had a team of old veterans thieves going to steal the painting and it showed how they Would steal it and how they would try to Ransom it back and during the show Mark Dalrymple says, oh we like it when they ask for lawyers. We can go to the lawyer's office and soon as the painting appears we arrest everyone and we don't pay the reward and no one gets paid will George short and Mike Brown saw this on the TV in December 2004 and it spooked both of them obviously, so they called off negotiation. ins with the Duke of buccleuch and Mark Dalrymple Then we move to January 19. Sorry January 2005. when Mark Dalrymple trying to redeem himself the Duke of buccleuch the insurers and the police reach out to Mike Brown again, the private detective and say would you have another go because now we will give you six million dollars if you can recover The DaVinci Madonna, and they said there's a sign of Goodwill will take you to a bank vault in Edinburgh where you can see the six million dollars sitting A table in cash to prove that we will pay you. So Mike Wilson Julie went to the bank in Edinburgh to the bank vault where there was six million dollars sitting on a table in the vault and they said if you get the DaVinci Madonna back, you can have this monthly he goes back to George Allen short and says, I've seen the money six million dollars. And as soon as the DaVinci Madonna is handed back. I can collect the Six Million Dollars. hours, so The plan was hatched. And the location was decided and what would happen on the day would be Mike Brown the private investigator would go to the bank and sit in the vault in front of the table with six million dollars and some whole dolls and George Allen short would deliver the stolen DaVinci Madonna to a pre-agreed location and the money will be given to Mike Brown and he would leave the bank. however on the day of the Handover Sorry that yeah on the day of the hand over. The location was was sorted out by Mike Brown and he got a third person Timmy Boyle James Boyle to go to the location to make sure everything was was safe. And that George Allen short was to drive to the location 1 hour before the meet and to drive down the road in his Rolls-Royce with the DaVinci Madonna in the boo. And if Jimmy boil gave him a thumbs up. Document everything was okay for the meeting to take place in an hour. If it was sums down. It was everything is bad. It's a set up an ambush get out of here quick George Allen short drove down the road an hour before the meeting James Boyle put his thumb down saying that it was a setup George Allen short drove off and stashed The DaVinci Madonna again. And then Mike Brown later on in the day left the bank. And then when he spoke to George Shaw and Jimmy Boyle, they said that they had noticed undercover police one was a road sweeper who kept talking into his hand. There was a couple in a car and there was a man reading a newspaper and there was also men hiding behind the curtains of the house that was opposite. So they realized that the place was swarming with police. Wow. Okay a couple of questions there when you say The painting was in the car. Boot of the Rolls-Royce. Do you mean the trunk? Yes. Okay, George Allen show had the dimension Madonna stash and elderly relatives house either in the wardrobe or in the Attic, you know, the Loft space and on the day of the hand over he went and he put it in the trunk of his Rolls-Royce to go to the Handover. He drove down the road an hour before got the thumbs down. From Jimmy boil and sped off and why did Jimmy Boyle give him the thumbs down? Because you know, how did he know they were undercover police officers is that conspicuous reading a newspaper in public these days well, to be honest with you. I mean people are you know might Mike Brown is a private investigator Jimmy boil and I think had some leeks with with the criminal wealth, you know, they get to know. Plus you got a road sweeper. Keep talking into his hands. You've got a couple in a car. You've got men hiding behind the curtains. You know, I mean to be honest with you these one sort of CIA or MI5. These were just undercut these which is police officers from Scotland who would just dressed in plain clothes trying to be undercover. So the guys hiding behind the curtain that was in the bank they were hiding behind it goes out. In the boat, you can imagine yeah in front of the table with six million dollars with his whole dough waiting to scoop all the caching and run out the bank. But how did how did this person see the people hiding behind the curtains because he was the lookout he was staking it out and waiting for the world's roast. Sadly the undercover police officers were professional and they got they got seen as soon as they've got seen it spook George short. He drove off and stashed The DaVinci Madonna, who is the guy who gave the thumbs down Doyle Jimmy boil Jimmy boil. So I mean the worst thing that would happen to Jimmy Boyle is you know, he's always erring on the side of caution. Even if these were just regular people he's gonna give the thumbs down and A I don't know this weird guy was talking into his hand for God's sake. Well, I would say that's the the One giveaway or and the curtains. Those are the give aways from from the description two people sitting in their car. I who are we to say that's anything err on the side of caution. Someone can reading a newspaper. I don't know anything about that someone talking into his hand. That's super conspicuous same thing with The 1015 failed operations, they tried and didn't succeed. Yeah, you're not so we hear on the news Police Undercover agents arrested people, but we don't hear on the news yesterday. There was for undercover surveillance operations that the police didn't arrest anyone. That's why we get you here. This is perfect Tim. I feel like you'd make a terrible Lookout guy. I feel like everyone would go to jail and you be like what it's just normal someone's behind their curtains. Someone's reading the paper. What are you talking about? What is that been illegal? Okay. So what happens now? So we have the we have Shaw, who's this Kingpin? He's in his Rolls-Royce. He gets the thumbs down. They speed off. We have Michael Brown who is who's just left the bank after, you know left six million dollars sitting on a table in the bank where we at now they reconvene itself. Is anybody in trouble now, I'm not hang on. Hang on. I read something and Jimmy boy also. Sighs I saw suspicious characters George Shultz said well stash the intervention Madonna way. Mike Brown says leave it to me. He gained calls Mark Dalrymple and the police and the Duke of buccleuch and says, I know it was a setup. You tried to shaft us but you didn't succeed. Now the police didn't know the DaVinci Madonna was in the trunk of the Rolls-Royce. They didn't know Jimmy boy was standing there, right? They did all they knew was that Mike Brown was in the bank vault with the Six Million Dollars. Someone was going to turn out but these pre pre-arranged location and hand over the DaVinci Madonna So the merge in The DaVinci Madonna is driven back on the ground. The next thing that happens is that the DaVinci Madonna is then used as collateral for a loan of half a million dollars. Right, which is put up by the Irish underworld and Irish Godfathers. So they then give half a million dollars and take possession of The DaVinci Madonna that was in 2005 and 2006 and everything went quiet the police Michael Brown and said to the police you tried to set me up and sold off forget about this and everything. And so that was the end of the sort of police operation. The next thing is the Madonna elsewhere gets into the possession of the Irish criminal Godfather's for a debt of Thousand dollars which was going to be used in a property deal anger is flat-out the easiest way to make a podcast anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free which you can use right from your computer or even your phone creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership so download Oh the anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started now. Now how does Michael Brown come across as so confident or Brazen that he can contact the police and say you were trying to set me up deal's off. How would how did he cannot get some sort of like repercussions just based on his involvement in this Right. First of all, Michael Brown was a private investigator. So you obviously had contacts in the police. Okay had contacts with the police. He know he used to work at the clerk's office or something in the court system, you know, so he was someone who was no he had nothing to do with the $500,000 the after million dollars loan. He's now out of the picture for the minute. Okay? Okay. So now half a million doc writes another dimension Madonna's being held by the Irish Godfather's half a million dollars has been Because you for a property deal. We then fast forward to 2007 in 2007 to amateur private detectives from Liverpool called Robbie Graham and Jack Doyle want to start a stolen art and stolen items website called stolen stuff reunited and what they were hoping to do was to try to recover stolen things that were sentimental or whatever. They were not necessarily valuable and hand them back to the victims. They then went to a solicitor a lawyer that they knew in Manchester called Marshal Ronald and asked him to help them set up the website. So they set up the website and they made a few small recoveries of items of jewellery and motorcycle or sword a couple of little things and they put a bit up on this website. Decided I've recovered some stuff next they get approached by an Irish contact to obviously knows the Irish Godfather's who says I can recover The DaVinci Madonna how much money would be paid if we can recover it. So Robbie Graham and Jack Doyle then speak to Marshall run of the lawyer and say, how can we do this where the Dmitri Madonna is handed back? And a reward is paid so Marshal Ronald then contacts to lawyers in Scotland because obviously this is Scotland has a different legal system than England. So he consulted with two lawyers in Scotland and they hatched a plan that they would get a legal agreement. Whereby they would hand back The DaVinci Madonna and millions of dollars be paid. Then in August of 2007 Marshal Ronald contacted Mark Dalrymple, the art loss adjuster who was employed by the insurance company to investigate The DaVinci Madonna case and he sent him a DVD of his of them of The DaVinci Madonna showing that proof of life and said that he had clients that were private detectives who could recover The DaVinci Madonna. Without any arrests and I want you to know and he wanted to know how much reward would be available. But the one fatal mistake you made that I that I told him this was that he said he didn't want any police involvement now any successful recovery, especially if you are a lawyer or lawyers are involved must include little law enforcement and if law enforcement don't go along with it, or they won't agree then everyone walks away, but if you don't include Law enforcement you leave yourself open to be set up and stung which is what happened eventually. So you're saying that it was a marshal Ronald who showed the DVD to the insurance loss adjuster and he was the one that also said that he didn't want the police involvement. That's correct. Gotcha. And you said that that's a mistake and you should have law enforcement involved to some extent. Yes, of course. Okay, so you are in All did that point to yes, yes. Yes, of course because to be honest then what happened was I was approached by Mark Dalrymple and the undercover police, right? And they asked me to put a post on my blog explaining the legal ramifications, right? And and that the only way The DaVinci Madonna could be successfully recovered would be if legal agreements were in place negotiated by lawyers. And everything was okay. Like what was done in the Turner case that you get an agreement from the police you then get an agreement from insurers. Did you could put glue and then you take that to come to a high court judge and say your honor we want to recover The DaVinci Madonna is this legal and we will all stick to our part of the bargain and if the judge says yes, like he did in the Turner case you can proceed Marshal Ronald went off the The valuation and didn't want any police involvement. So after he Marshal Ronald Robbie Graham and jackdaws saw my post on my blog, they then move forward and Mark Dalrymple stepped aside and introduce them to John Craig and David resta who said that they represented the Duke of buccleuch, but in reality were both undercover police officers and no one from the recovery. The parties knew that this was that they were dealing with undercover police. Well Master, they didn't tell Marshall. Why don't they run the cover police? You didn't tell Jack Dawn or Robbie Grand that they run the cover police. Okay. Now I sat down and they had they had a meeting and it was agreed that if the DaVinci Madonna was handed back that the Duke of buccleuch would pay six million dollars to Marshal Ronald the lawyer. Who would then distribute it to the Scottish lawyers and to Jack Doyle Robbie Graham, and whoever I have a feeling that this isn't going to go. Well well to be honest with you at that point Marshall wanted at one point asked John Craig and not knowing use undercover police to sign a legal agreement and he refused that should have been a red flag. The next thing you should have done was involved the police and say look privately we're going to have a buy back here, but all the Parties are agreed. And if the police are on board with this this can happen, but he didn't do that. Now. This is the next thing the other big hurdle to overcome was that the Irish Godfather's wanted their half a million dollars back before they would even park with the painting forget about what promises are down the road, you know and somewhere over the rainbow of six million dollars. Some Marshal Ronald n goes to two clients of his brothers who had one and a half million dollars compensation for some something else that was in Marshal Ronald client account. And he said can I use 750,000 dollars of that to release the DaVinci Madonna when I get the 6 million dollars, I'll put the money back plus I'll give you something for allowing me to do it. One of the brothers said. Yes. The other one said no. But Marshal Ronald took it as a green light Marshal Ronald Drew out in cash $500,000 half a million dollars and a cashier's check for another 250 thousand dollars. He then gives that in a briefcase to Robbie Grime and Jack Doyle who then go to a car park and give it to their Irish contact. Who's connected to the Irish Godfather's and then some hours later Robbie Graham and Jack Doyle a given the davichi Madonna. It was in a lot of steel case you use for camera equipment to protect it. So now they've got it. They then start to make their way to Glasgow where it's been arranged that they will hand over at the offices of Gately wearing a very prestigious Scottish lawyers where the two Scottish lawyers involved and Marshal Ronald John Craig and David wrestler will be waiting. On the way to Scotland, the weather was really bad. So Robbie Graham and Jack Doyle stopped over in a hotel and they took the time to take the have their photograph taken with the DaVinci Madonna on their lat and all the kinds of things that you would do which were later published in the Press. Yeah. Some tells me they would bite them in the ass. Maybe you shouldn't do that. So soon after recovering it so well even handed it back yet. Yeah, so the next so the next morning Like you're not like a drive to the to the solicitors up to the lawyer's office. They walk into the room and there are the true Scottish lawyers. There's Marshal Ronald. There's John Kraig the Jew couple clues representative, but in reality undercover police and David rester undercover police. They open the the suitcase they get the Madonna DaVinci out John Craig looks and there's some things on the back of it, which he knows. It's the original he He then says he's phoning the Duke of buccleuch to give him the good news. But in reality, this is a signal to the police to bursting. He makes the call the police burst in from everywhere and arrest everyone in the room, including the undercover police officers. They take them to the police station and they charged the two Scottish lawyers Marshal Ronald Jack Doyle and Robbie Graham with armed robbery. Kindly, The DaVinci Madonna attempted extortion of six million dollars and lots of other charges they appear in court and they get bailed and the trial takes 3 years before it comes to trial in Scotland. Hang on now whilst the police have now got these five people three lawyers and two private detectives indicted for The DaVinci case. They then go back to our old friend George. Allen Show Jimmy boil and Michael Brown the private detective and they then charge them separate with attempted extortion of six million dollars from the Duke of buccleuch. So you now have two groups of people that are charged in The DaVinci case, which will mean two different trials. And then that's 2007. We have to fast forward to 2010 when the trial starts got a couple questions before we do that what happened to the $750,000 that Marshal Ronald took from the two brothers account. That way to the Irish connection someone that they called the ghost right? He was obviously they said he was next paramilitary Ira I know lay or something like that that was involved in crime that $500,000 went and was never seen again. The cashier's check was stopped. Okay, I didn't get that but $500,000 went and went into the underworld and never been seen since so that those those brothers were just out $500,000 do not know because there's something no no because there's something called The Lawyers Indemnity fund which reimburse the brothers and subsequent as well as will. Learn Marshal Ronald had to face the consequences of that later on. Okay. So what happened to the painting at this point? Well, the pine team was recovered in the lawyer's office in Glasgow of Gately wearing and it was taken from there to the National Museum. Check that it was okay and then back to the Duke of buccleuch. And then now it sits in the national museum of Scotland on a long-term loan. I would add this one thing though that one month before the recovery happened in October 2007 the very elderly Duke of buccleuch died. So he never got to see his beloved Madonna of the yarn Winder by Leonardo DaVinci recovered and that's that a bit tragic. Yeah. Yeah. It's terribly sad. Yeah. Okay, so but there's a there's a whole story after this. So everything gets wrapped up. The painting is on long-term loan and seemingly, you know safe secure look here, but what's going on legally to the people who arranged all of this right in April 2010, the trial starts at the high court in Scotland and last for two months of the three two Scottish lawyer. Has Marshal Ronald Jack Doyle and Robbie Graham now in Scott in the Scottish legal system, you can have three verdicts you can have guilty. You can have not guilty. But there's also a third version it called not proven which means that you're not guilty. You're not quite not guilty. But you still walk away. It's a verdict of not proven its in Scottish law. So it's saying we might think you'd be your only a little bit. Able to not enough to be really guilty. Like that's great trial. Yeah, is it what's a comparison here? Let's a mistrial hung jury. Yeah. Yeah. I'm well, yeah, I mean no no, yeah not proven could be something I think there is something in the American justice system, which means that you can omit some admit to something but it's not on your record or you or it's a misdemeanor or it's it's something that's you know, it's an alternative for a jury, but it's Knowing that there's an anomaly of Scottish law guilty not guilty or not proven. So anyway, after a two-month trial costing millions of dollars all 5 of The DaVinci accused of not proven. So Jack Doyle and Robbie Graham leave the court in Scotland and drive straight to drum Larry castle and bang on the door and saying your dukeship. We want to reward money. Now we've Found not we're not guilty. Where's their money that you could but you obviously wouldn't speak to them. They then try to apply to the insurance company and say you put up a reward. We want to collect it the insurance company refused to pay them out saying that they needed the police approval before they would pay anything out the police refused to give that approval. And so Marshal Ronald independently set about launching a lawsuit against the police insurance company and the Duke of buccleuch to recover the promised six million dollar reward money in the meantime shortly after that trial had collapsed the criminal prosecution service dropped the case against Michael Brown George Allen Shaw. And Jimmy boil so you had accused all finished and that was the end of it. So to speak until we move on to the lawsuit from Marshal Ronald. Okay, let's hear about that Marshal Ronald launched a lawsuit and he couldn't get any legal aid or help with it because the establishment closed ranks. So he did it all on his own and it was hundreds of paperwork of hundreds of pages and the issue proceedings in 2014, and it came into court in 2015 at the higher Court where it was thrown out where he didn't receive any reward whatsoever. And so that's the end of it to be honest has been very traumatic. I would like to say this however Marshal Ronald who I know very well in his defense. He had a terrible injury accident many years ago, which left him with a brain injury and He's what he regarded as bipolar. So The DaVinci case is something whereby. I think that that he got intoxicated with the enormity of being the person to recover The DaVinci Madonna that he let his guard sleep and he didn't act as a lawyer and do things the right way. He could have done things differently, but it's like all of these high-profile art thefts everyone becomes intoxicated with the infirmity and with the whole case like the Gardner case, whereas everyone becomes Territorial and no one wants to give credit to anyone else for anything that they may say on a particular case and that can be very very diverse Aviv divisive. So through your contact with Marshall. We reached out to him for an interview and he declined but he said something really interesting. He said he's deleted all his records. In a cathartic exercise of Soul cleansing and we found that kind of an interesting way to put something behind you. I guess obviously this is a traumatic thing for him and his family. Yeah, but I'm just kind of trying to figure out what the moral of the story is. The moral of the story is that if you have good intentions, then you won't mind those intentions being relayed to everyone concerned and there's no good cutting corners. And to be honest with you as lawyers. They should know better at the end of the day on the Turner case. What happened was to take Gallery said they wanted to pay a German lawyer six million dollars to recover, too. The paintings they went to the high court in London to a judge and said This is Our intention. Is it legal and the judge said well as it's not on UK soil or British to English soil. I have no objections if Marshal Ronald had got all the information and gone to the high court in Scotland and said to a judge your honor we want to recover The DaVinci Madonna. It's a 50 million dollar iconic artwork. But this is what we how we want to do it. Can you say that? That will be lawful or unlawful if he says it would be unlawful. They don't do it if he says it's lawful they go ahead but he's fatal mistake was not wanting to speak to the police in the first place wanting to cut Corners because legally, there's no law that says you can't buy back your own stolen stolen property. There's no law against that and there's no law for giving a reward if Lance loses something someone steals it and I'm all of a sudden Tim says I found this is no law that says Lance can't reward Tim for finding something that was stolen off of him. There's no law against it. But there's a way to do it legally. First of all, if I lost something or if it was stolen I would make my first phone call to be to you and then we'd go from there and then I would call Tim give it back. Armor that comes home and says, unfortunately, he did not cover his tracks incomplete. They is it fair to say that there is something about stolen art famous art beautiful paintings by done by Masters. Is there something about that that makes people are rational and and do things in situations like this that they wouldn't normally do. Well. Yeah, I mean, but also I think we can apply that to anything that has an intrinsic high value. That's fair, you know, okay we can we can be Very fluffy and arty-farty and talk about you know, now we can be all culturally ran academics and talk about my old Masters but a yacht in the marina in Miami would still attract the intoxication a Ferrari. Okay, you know yellow diamond Blue Diamond a diamond necklace. There are millions of thing, you know, if something has a extremely high value then I think everyone can get intoxicated. Okay, so it's not necessarily Like something mystical about this beautiful artwork or this beautiful Diamond. It's more people see dollar signs. And that's what motivates them. Well, you know, I would say that. Yeah because to be honest with you, you know, you know, some people can look at some are abstract art and say that I don't think it's worth ten dollars yet. It's worth hundred million dollars some other people can say I like this particular art. Someone could say I love boats and that yacht there is the most beautiful your I've ever seen so being a worker. Of art is a subjective notion. So I guess my question is how could this have have gone more smoothly like it sounds like at every turn there were mistakes made that led us to a point where there's a couple of Trials and and a huge waste of money and the painting ends up back in the hands of the owner. Anyway. Yeah, I mean you ironic thing is you guys are millions of dollars that we used in the trials. Could it be you Is 2pi higher reward? However, now the white should have gone was Marshal Ronald should have contacted Mark Dalrymple and said I've got a DVD. Can you arrange a meeting with the investigating police and the Duke of buccleuch or his representative and at that meeting he should have said to the police. Look I've got two clients who are going to remain nameless who are private investigators. You can recover The DaVinci Madonna. Is there a way that you will allow to happen The DaVinci Madonna to surface and monies can be paid. To me if they say no fine walk away if they say yes, then you explore further and once you get them on board and the insurance company in the Duke of buccleuch you then get the package and you take it to a high court judge. And so look your honor. This is what we intend to do. If you think there's something legally we're going to do wrong. Can you point out then after that trouble is the Duke of buccleuch. The insurers had no intentions of practical, you know paying any reward. They don't want to pay any more. When the Duke of buccleuch under oath in the Marshal Ronald lawsuit trial was asked by Marshall. Why not? He said did we did you intend to ever offer a reward? He said no. He said I expected the police to recover my DaVinci Madonna for nothing. Okay, and so that's kind of typical to because I mean we've talked with you about it in the past. A lot of people who are in possession of stolen artwork are afraid to come forward even if they cannot sell this art work. They're afraid to come forward because there they think they may get the book thrown at them when they're just trying to give this artwork back. Yes, because oh so what happens if it goes, yes, he moves into ego that all of a sudden you approach people to hand back stolen art. And then those people want to see you know, they seek Glory. I not only recovered this artwork, but I've arrested someone or you know, everyone wants the Limelight and that's the problem. That's the problem that you get. So how often do things like this happen and they turn out to be fake or do they turn out to just never come to fruition? Like what is it less than 10% of stolen art is recovered. Right? So this this DaVinci Madonna is already in a category. That isn't typical. Well, yeah, I mean to be honest with you that their operations on the cover operations, their attempts to handbag style will not every day of the week and nine out of the Ten of them. Don't come. Um to anything because either the people who had the stolen art know it's a it's a sting and no they won't get paid or authorities won't go forward with it because they know they would have to pay the money and they wouldn't get any arrests. So it's a Mexican standoff. And so what has to happen is something has to happen. We're all of a sudden people can come together or it's a break on either side, you know at the end of the day, you know authorities say, yes, we want that back. Desperately will allow money to be paid because there are instances where money's have been paid and throughout this entire process the Duke never knew what was going on. Right? Well now that you know another joke no more. Yeah, of course he met with Michael Brown. Yeah, right and he was informed of what was going on right up until his death and when he died one month before they recovered The DaVinci Madonna in October 2007, you know, he was aware that there was an operation underway. Way to recover his painting. Okay. And do you think that there was something intoxicating that the Marshal Ronald became a part of when you get involved in this something about the the underworld that was more intoxicating than the financial benefit. I'm upset that yes. I mean the actual notion that Marshal Ronald would be the guy to recover the Madonna of the yarn Winder by Leonardo DaVinci. I'm with something that intoxicated him intoxicated Robbie Graham Jack Doyle. And so all of a sudden it surpassed perhaps the the monetary aspect that he made two mistakes. The second mistake was using the money from his client account to pay to pay the Irish guy to release the DaVinci Madonna without telling the police against let me rephrase the question. I didn't freeze ER properly. Do you think that Marshal Ronald? Ronald was intrigued by the notion that he could outsmart the Scottish Mafia and these kingpins and be sort of the average guy and and outsmart career criminals. I don't think so. Because if that was the case then to be honest Marshall one of would have cooperated with the police and would have negotiated a separate reward when everyone else got arrested bar him, right? Is there anything from this case that we can learn and apply? I to the Gardner case. Yeah, what needs to be done is transparency, you know, I don't want you. I don't want people to lie up crime with the Gardner case. I want the Gardner case is C on its own pedestal away from everything else because of the notion that it's impossible to hand back stolen up without everyone's permission. I want the Gardner case to be this one unique Holy Grail where we can do things that perhaps we wouldn't do. Ooh on other cases, you know at the end of the day, there are people out there with some Gardner art want to hand it back in get paid or authorities law enforcement the Gardner Museum Antonia more a Uncle Tom cobley and all don't want to pay bad people money for handing back the gardener up and they want people arrested indicted and convicted and you know, that's well within their remit to do that. So that's the standoff you having the Gardner case and until such And that Gap is closed then we just have to sit back and hope that law enforcement stumble across a gardener artwork during another investigation. We gotta bust on Ian standoff here. Yeah. I mean that's what you've had from day one a Bostonian standoff and you know, you can you know, you can understand why they've done that but my only problem is is that the lack of transparent transparency from the FBI and go Gardner Museum, you know if that's their position tell the public but don't tell the public that we just want the art back. We don't want to arrest anyone there's immunity and there's 10 million dollars when actual fact all we all know that it's a fake reward its fake immunity. And in many respects that you Gardner investigations been a fake investigation. I mean, you know normal our crime goes, right but, you know an informant steps forward and is willing to sacrifice or throw someone to the I always say this person at this address has stolen our the police raided. They recover the art there rest of the people in charge and we've handling and then you form it gets paid and agreed a reward or a reward right short of that. Right? It's very difficult, but every now and again and historically a few times police can be given and a location where stolen art can be recovered and money can be paid. Paid to an informant and no arrests be made that has happened the Turner case. There's the teaching case. There are other cases where this has happened and that's why I always want to separate the Gardner case as a unique case separate from your everyday are crying. I think that is a very fair and accurate assessment of the Gardner case. Yeah, but having said that it would be nice to get a break. It'll be nice for people to actually feel. I can be open and a bit more honest about the Gardner case and not trying to Hoodwink the people try to distract the People by talking about all this is the history and these are the people doing this that and the other and not focus on how do you recover The Gardener up, you know, I also found it very interesting that the guys from TRC. I mean and David Turner is in a medical facility William Molino was released apparently in 2015, and no one's mentioned that Stephen Rossetti is listed not to be released until to that 2044 yet. He's not in the custody of the Bureau of Corrections. I don't know what that means. What do you think that could mean could possibly mean witness protection? Oh, all you are a naughty man. I shouldn't you shouldn't have said something like that. Now, of course, it means that I only said that because you said it in your email to us. Yeah, of course. Yeah, exactly. You know, I mean, I mean that's what everyone would assume but that information is on a public website and you don't need right more than two brain cells to work out the Stephen Rossetti. He's not due for release 2 2044. He's not in the custody of the Bureau of Corrections. Where is he's not working at McDonald's is he well for the record I wasn't aware. Yeah. About how information is suppressed yet. There's the website you can go and search for any prisoner in the you in the u.s. Correctional system and all the details just come up in front of you. Well, we got some good Gardener info there at the tail end which is pretty awesome all the who's who and where are they at now players in the in the Gardner Heist. I will like to say if anyone has something that'll fit into a to By three PO Box say maybe an eagle finial or Rembrandt's postage stamp-sized self-portrait. We have a post office box 22 Front Street FR o NT Box 2 3 0 Worcester, Massachusetts make that up to crawl space media. Now, I agree. I've always said, you know for me. In the case. Is the crooks get you those with the gardener up nothing and authorities get nothing. In other words, they hand back the gardener up no reward. No indictments. No arrests anonymously hand back. Even if it's a less a work of art just hand it back so that it gives hope we all want hope we had no indication of the existence of the gardener are in nearly 29 years to give everyone hope and you know to continue the Any careers of people who are used a garden that case, you know, as you know, as part of their repertoire hand something back anonymously that that's not you know, the most valuable thing. Yeah, the eagle finial that you know, the the vars or a day God drawing, you know, something like that. Don't try and collect a reward and don't and don't open yourself up to be arrested by authorities. Let's get back to the Catholic Church confession box. Just go and stick one in the confession box knock on the door and say father. Nick stores is a bit of gardener are there you can't trust those priests. Well, I don't know not actually generalization for every bad one. There are certainly a lot of good ones there. Yeah. I'm just kidding and that will be a happy Saint Patrick's Day 2019 good stuff. Thank you so much for opening our world to get another very fascinating story involving art Heist recovery and just what happens when sort of average people. Get involved in the whole thing. Yeah, of course, I mean base of the food chain, you know and what happens is when people take their position on the food chain, which is not theirs. That's when mistakes happen. I mean and that's from law enforcement as well. I mean The DaVinci case is perfect. The Scottish police used could probably beat cops right? I said right tomorrow. You're going to be a road sweeper. From a gangster, you know and so all of a sudden that was the Keystone Cops the first attempt at The DaVinci when everyone realized I was undercover cops the second time it was those who handing back the art. The lawyers were those are the guys that messed up the second time by not insisting on legal agreements to cover themselves. And then the third one was the judicial system which wasted millions of dollars on a two-month. The end it with no convictions and somewhere Leonardo. DaVinci is laughing and saying I didn't even paint that.

In season 2 of Empty Frames Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna continue their dive into the subject of art heists by getting a broader scope of the world in which these crimes take place. In episode 5 of season 2 Tim & Lance again talk to Turbo Paul Hendry. He's a former "knocker" who went on to be a firewall between people who possess stolen artwork and their owners. We talk about the stolen Madonna of the Yarnwinder by Leonardo da Vinci. The painting was stolen in 2003 from Drumlanrig Castle by two thieves posing as tourists, who said "Don't worry love, we're the police. This is just practice" to two tourists from New Zealand as they exited through a window. The Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston, Massachusetts was robbed of thirteen pieces of artwork on March 18th, 1990. The frames remain empty today, awaiting their return. Please sign and share the Turbo Plan petition for an itemized price list for the stolen Gardner art. 28 years into our response to this terrible crime, we must consider modifying the approach we take as we attempt to restore what’s been astutely identified as “our heritage.” Through Change.org, you can make your voice heard and help to bring the art home. Go to the link to sign your name: https://www.change.org/p/let-s-bring-home-the-stolen-isabella-stewart-gardner-museum-art-a-new-approach

Welcome back to another episode of the podcast episode 2 with Glenn Richards was the reason why I started this podcast to show you guys that the world is your oyster and that you can achieve anything you do if you have a desire and will to get there and to not let Society to tell you to play it safe this episode. I'll be interviewing Nick Marshall the co-founder of surf life physio. This was the most free. Flowing interview I've done since beginning this podcast. It was filled with so much gold and Nick talks about all the amazing experiences over the years and how your network is your net worth. So without further Ado here it is. Well, welcome to the podcast Nick. Thanks for jumping on Leisure. Absolutely. How's everything been going? Yeah, really good really good. Look would you always want to be busier? So I guess yeah. I mean we are really busy but you're always looking for some sort of more opportunities or you know, I don't know wish injuries on people but more you know sports that have to be involved in order bits and pieces. So yeah, we're busy but you know, yeah like busier. Well, maybe I might be seeing you soon. I'm running the marathon. I've seen that part ways people here that are doing I think they just doing that maybe the half. Yeah, we've already spoken about yeah. Oh really? He said if you see you later. Come party in Dickey. So my I've already got Budgy Smuggler teamed up with me. But this time I'll show you after their good advice is all happening. So I'll delve into it and we're like to break the ice is by asking something that knowledge people know that you like that quirky thing whether it's like your sucker for peanut butter or you love cold showers or just something out there that know a lot of people would know about you. All right. Well, okay. I don't think many would know this obviously people know that a lot of junk food why so fast food probably like a four. Yeah. It'll be like a weakness but I've never ever had Cave City in my whole life. Never never had it never had a year, even though there's one literally across the road across the road from us. Yeah. Yeah never had it and I think I got 220 and I've never had it and I really like over 40. Yeah, and it was the I see things that I tell people I'd say I've never owned KFC. It's a now my wall. I can't have it. It kills me because I only had enough she said it was amazing, but maybe that's right. Hello. So moving on to the next bit. I'll be interview. I like to talk about let's say around you 11 year 12. What did you want to become like understand used to be a swimmer back in the day? Like, did you want to become professional swimmer or was ago? Yeah. Look high. At school probably swimmer or an Ironman or then in fully season. I might have convinced myself that I was better than what I was actually a footy player both my parents were lawyers. So they probably that was probably always at the back of my mind that maybe that's what I would do. Yeah, and I think blast and I should probably say I think everyone thought that's what I was going to do, but I'd probably never really given it much thought. And I don't know what there was was immature in grade 11 and 12, but I really had no I had no plan great. You know Mosey is probably towards the end of grade 12. Everyone said you just got to go to UNI doesn't matter what you do? Yeah, which I kind of wasn't it a struggle to probably get my head around like why would just be going to UNI? Yeah, if I didn't know what I wanted to be and I literally I went to an all-boys private school in Brisbane, so It was kind of unheard of to not put something down on your qtac form or something. So yeah, yeah obviously had to put law down with my parents. But yeah, I you live in a 12 man. I had no plan. Yeah, everyone tells you you need to know what you want to do or yeah, and even that even before that in grade 10 when they're saying pick your subject so that you can do it for the rest of your life. I yeah that for me was just and I would say to young people now that's just pointless like you no one knows what they want. Great team, you know, I think my grandparents maybe were in the one career from school on words, but I certainly don't see myself just doing the one thing. Yeah, he when I want to do as much as I can. So yeah, I had no plan. Yeah, are you it were your parents like pushing you to go a certain way because I know like parents can influence like yeah restrictive or with a all of my I think My mom was obviously a lawyer but she's a uni lecturer. So she was big on you just got to go to UNI and make your mind up their dad probably was more sporting supportive. He's so for now, you've got your whole life to do your career, you know, Chase the swimming or chase the Iron Man or the surf dream and and it'll happen. So I've probably very lucky that way. Like I didn't have a mad parent that was saying Sports. The only way to go or mad parents say You know, you got to get great marks or uni that they I mean they were great parents. I just gave me the skills to pick and choose what I wanted to do and supportive but at the same time they are very big on I couldn't do nothing. So I had to do something other than just going to go off and do nothing. Yeah. So yeah and then hold it and unfolded. Yeah, and then so you're at University. I believe you studying physiotherapy. Yep. What? Was that like and was that something that you are grateful that you've done now and also funny I am I actually did a year of uni and then had a year off because I wasn't convinced it was for me. So I had that kind of I guess Gap year, but after after a gap and that I've I mean there were Times Obviously in that Gap year that my parents were onto me like you can't be doing nothing about it. Um, and and probably that that was probably the thing that kept me in check, you know that I couldn't just go out partying all the time there had to be some kind of ticket that I was on but that first year of uni, I just didn't really want to be there. Yeah, and and I think I really attribute the Gap year to being the thing that maybe at least put my future in a bit of focus because I think if I just floated through uni continuously Probably wouldn't have passed and I probably would have thrown it in. It really meant after a gap year and admittedly eyelid. I have quite happily I think it in that Gap you had another Gap year and then probably still being get Ewing now, but my parents were very big like a so, that's your Gap year, you know, you know what you want to do now and and I'd made up my mind then that physio was of thing. So and probably it sounds crazy but apart from You know, maybe a lawyer fizzy. I was probably the only thing that I really knew about because as a kid, I had a lot of injuries. Yeah, and and fizzy as I had what I thought was pretty cool people. So I thought I want to be cool. So I'm going to do that. Yeah, Sophie. I mean look uni with uni was fun and it was a fairly full on degree. And then everyone in that degree was very competitive and marks driven, and I'm probably At the time was just happy to make sure I passed and your family and obviously but so it was fun. Mmm. I probably not until the end of the degree so sort of four years into it. Did I realize You know this the enormous amount of opportunities in physio, but I pretty much stayed true to what I wanted to do, which was this sort of setting and in sport. Yeah. Awesome. And we're you always passionate about physiology yet to the fourth year and you're like, yeah, I want this now or was it like progressively throughout your career sort of the yeah, probably not. I probably wasn't passionate. Yeah. I got to the end of it and looked at it as though it was I did not bought a job. But my degree had given me a occupation to look in the paper for jobs if that makes sense. Yeah still very much throughout uni. Wanted to be a sports person. I wanted to be an Ironman or a swimmer. And and so what is certainly wasn't my focus at all and I and I probably would say that's actually stood me in really good stead because you know, I wasn't a great Sports person but being involved in sport at the same. Mom is having a physio degree meant that I got opportunities with teams through just connections as opposed to just being a super physio. Yeah, and now sort of 20 years down the track that's its kind of helped me and over as i gaze sport away. I then really did become passionate about physio. But the time I was passionate about you trying to be a sportsman. Yeah, I think that's it. You know that like Network because I hear a big saying that you know, your network is your net worth so absolutely. Yeah, absolutely and Moving on to the next segment of how you got to where you are today, obviously through hard work ethic and all that. Tell us a bit how you found it. So if I physio, yeah, look it it's one of those things where you're you look back now and I was using was just a whole bunch of kind of crazy connections your interactions and things just seem to fall into place. But so very early on obviously was racing in the surf and Surf Club stuff and was a And got an opportunity to be the Queensland team Physio. And now I think it was the first-ever Physio and still the only one that ever used. So that's over 20 years ago. So went away with these State teams and New South Wales had a Physio and you that he's name is Troy 80 and he's now my business partner. So he was the team for the New South Wales. He was physio. Sorry for New South Wales team and I was the physio the Queensland team and every year once or twice a year. We come across each. Each other and we talked and we chat and he and he's probably almost like a mentor to me a little bit older and he had a business in New South Wales. So we got chatting and then he was at the time the Australian team physio for the subtraction life-saving team, and he sort of said do you want to have a crack at that as well? And you know, I wouldn't mind spending more time with my family. So I had a crack at the Australian team probably again, you know those crazy kind of interactions. Most people don't get a chance to be with an Australian team in there first. You're four years as a physio. So I'm just like really accelerated and all the guys on the team on you are swimming with or training with yeah. So um and then ultimately after about five or six years Troy sort of said, look, I'm going to move to Queensland should we start a business together and and because he had up into that point probably 15 years. I'd had close to 10 years of surf lifesaving physio experience and little both Club. He's he used to race as an Iron Man himself. Yeah, we decided to call it. Surf life Physio. And then and then from there I continue to coach so kids that I was coaching and I was still floating around in a few events and Troy was coaching and he's lived sort of always down by Iran area. So we were very entrenched in Surf life saving and also just people talk about starting a physio business around a footy Club. No, I guess we started around Surf lifesaving and then you do people came to us because they perhaps knew that we knew the sport or we Somebody within the club and that's how we met. Obviously I barely survived Club so that it says connections and then people realize he's someone that hopefully they can trust whether you're good physio or not. Yeah. He's you know, depending on someone that is fixed my slipped disc in the back. Here we go fix it. So obviously there's been those hard days. Can you sort of say that there was really just like one day where you like or I know if I can do this anymore what? You learnt from that day the whether it was the importance of always looking on the positive side or some sort of having to take a step back to take two steps forward. Yeah, definitely. Look I can pretend to be someone that struggles to say no to things. Yes, I take on far too many things and that's probably my personality. But and and look I think it I think it's a good trait to have no I think your life's entertaining there and it can be exciting but I think you also get to certain points where you like spinning plates and his plates that are about to fall down and break and there's been a couple times certainly business-wise where yet there's been a whole bunch of other stuff going on and I probably at those times that I probably do it more now of tend to sort of compartmentalize things and just be content when that Parts done and then leave it alone. I'd be going home at night and you know, I wouldn't sleep at all. Because I'd have my mind racing about a thousand different things and it's money and how we're going to pay certain stuff and rent. And yeah how we're going to do this and pay off that and keep running our remaining busy. And so it's not without its stress, but I guess the big difference and though, you know one particular time I'm thinking about is I just had to almost cap it and sort of say when I shut the doors on that day. I'm going to leave that there. Yeah. I'm going to come back to it and I at the time I had a I've got a mate he's a sports psychologist and he sort of saying it's almost like you've just got to imagine all those thoughts and worries concerns being like your breath and just going to blow them up into a balloon tie the balloon off leave the balloon at work, but I will be there for you tomorrow when you really do it alone and that's probably made a biggest difference because obviously when you take that sort of stuff home and if you've got young kids or family or wife you end up getting short with them and you it affects A whole life. So I just tried to do that. So if my strategy was certainly kind of compartmentalize different components deal with that at the time when you're finished filling out and move on to that sort of next bit. So is that like through meditation? Did you do any meditation or no? No, probably meditation. Although I would I would have liked to have done something like that. Yes. Certainly. I think that would be yeah quite worthwhile, but I know it was probably more just Move over planning people would be guilty. I'd be guilty of that but probably talking to people about strategies of how I could deal with that. So your again because I had a connection and a friend who was a psychologist from a sports way. We approached it because I enjoy that kind of element and that is how I did it. But but that was just a strategy for me. It might not work for everyone. Yes Ali. Yeah hundred percent and now I obviously there's been some awesome opportunities having this. Life is your business of seeing you on the footy field Broncos and then obviously the Commonwealth Games so tell us a bit about those opportunities that arise and how much they excite. Yeah. Yeah. Look I think for me when I say it to all young physios is that there's kind of there's two elements to the profession. There's the people that are going to make a lot of money and that's great and there's nothing wrong with that and then there's a people that are going to have those amazing experiences and unfortunately, You probably can't have these amazing experiences and still get remunerated an amazing rate. So I've always chosen the experiences you have and sometimes that's to the detriment, you know, the business or your ability to build four things or make money. But yeah, but yeah, it was absolutely right. So I've had amazing opportunities that are literally have come through connections and not yet. Not necessarily job interviews or that sort of stuff. So yeah, I work. In our oh, yeah referees. I'm at all Broncos and Titans games state of origin tonight we call well that's exciting and as a kid, you know that I think I like any Queensland kid. That was my absolute number. One thing. I wanted to be was that guy Queensland state of origin player. So those sort of things we sitting sideline and you get to run on the field during the game in origin unlike sort of wow moments amazing. So opportunities. Yeah. But they obviously have a you know, a detrimental effect sometimes to the business because you're not there and people want run a ring up and see you and then they can't because you're away and then they might see somebody else or what. Have you say you are and then the Commonwealth Games is very very similar. Just somebody approached me about doing that that role that medical roll. Yep. And again those opportunities don't come very often. So you have not kind of put the business a little bit on the back burner to take those opportunities. Yeah, and then I'm working with Doing Australian now again, another opportunity out of the Griffith uni. And yeah, so I guess it's that's where I've always wanted to be of want to just stay in sport. Always wanted to be a sportsman. Yeah, and now I'm just trying to capitalize on that Jersey. Oh, I guess yeah the old saying it's not what you know, it's who you know, he's totally used and I think that's in all professions. I think, you know, you can be exceptionally good at what you do and that's always your goal, but I think It is your connections Europe that they're laid to get jobs. I mean I've had I was I won't say which sport but I went for a job in a certain sport. They said no to me and they said no no. No, you look we want somebody with more experience and I just thought okay. Yeah. I had the time I'd been on three different Australian teams in different sports. Yeah, and this was a quite a lower ranked sort of job. Like it wasn't like a national job. Yeah, I don't want to go like a key. Can I got some and then 12 months later that that same organization rang me for the top job and they said are you interested in this top job? And I said I'll look I actually put a CV in last year for one of the lower rank physios just because I wanted to get out of my comfort zone and now you run me to be the boss. Okay. I'm kind of at a bit of a loss and and they kind of laugh and they said look. Look, you know those a lot of the time it's just connections that we ringing you because you know, the boss knows you the doctor knows you they think you'd be good fear. Yeah, obviously when you went for the job interview last year probably just another CV, you know, I don't like everyone else and so I sort of thought well that's incredible. But you think that's what life's about your take your opportunities and and your roll with the punches if they don't come your way you don't want to lose and I think you touched on a little bit there. You said going outside your comfort zone. That's a big one. Like I tried a lot like seeking discomfort because when you're almost in that black area of like we're not comfortable. It's where you grow in like I was an idiot. What are your thoughts on that? I absolutely look at I mean, I probably don't I wouldn't be a thrill seeker. Yeah, but I love the opportunity while of the opportunity to be involved in a job that's new for a start so and something that's brand-new where you can bring your knowledge and experience to develop something and I think that's where you added comfort zone where you live, you know if things go bad they're on you and that's probably where I think I'm at my best because I like to be able to not be a control freak or anything like that, but be able to be in charge of my own destiny you are which I think scares a lot of people a lot of people like to have that that comfort of for make mistake that somebody above me that's going to check on that and there's somebody below me that's you know going to help me but Probably much preferred to being you know on my own and doing something. Yeah, obviously that means you can overcome it yourself and sometimes not delegate enough work. Yeah, but I totally agree. I think that's where you really realize where your strengths and weaknesses are and where your force yourself to learn and grow. I think you can you can tell yourself that you're going to go home every night and learn more about money and tax systems and billable. Al's or any of that sort of stuff but until you actually forced into it and you have to do it he probably wanted and so I love it. I love that opportunity to just have to run with it. Yeah, there are times when you're in it that you might put me, you know get stressed when you think I'll have I done this. Yeah, but I think at a certain point if you can take a step back in a deep breath and look look at everything you've been able to do by being out of your comfort zone. Yeah. It's a really positive thing to do a hundred sad. And now going on to the next question I'm talking a bit about how do you manage to stay? So motivated? I believe it's all about knowing your why and also like doing certain activities that will drift away from the business like you said before switching off. So what do you do for that? Yeah. Look II guess it's again that we spoke about IQ in terms of personality. I love to have a thousand different things on the run on the go and I think It keeps me quite fresh. So it means I never doesn't mean you never get bored of something. But if you get bored of something, there's always something else that in the short term you can turn your attention to because it's now the time was boring you, you know, you refreshed a little bit and you get that sort of stuff done. So I do tend to have a whole bunch of things on the go. Which understandably for the people that work for me or that live with me is annoying because they're like, you know just do one thing and stick with it. But I think you are personality and what I enjoy that works for me. It means that I don't get stale. I do I do I do stay really super positive and in the moment on one thing and then like I said earlier with that sort of compartmentalizing or cut compartmentalizing things once I get to a point where I might write okay, that's a good level or you know, I'm going a bit tighter that I'll fix up the other things and yeah. Oh, I stay active. I totally agree with the why like I think when you've got like a whole most but it's a mentor or you know Central sort of idea you of who you are and what you want to do when you do stay focused and positive on stuff. It's when you're not really sure why you going to work or you're not really sure why you're doing this you're not really sure but I think people, you know not go off the rails, but they sort of they tend to get lost. I guess. It's Say and sure we talk about it here with the staff that I've got and certainly in other areas where I work. He said, you know if you know your why and obviously it helps sometimes if I know they're why you're doing something then it's easy, you know, we can tailor jobs and tasks and fun stuff around what they want to do as opposed to Simply things that I don't want to do with that money. So there's always things that I think God. Why would anyone want to do this but somebody loves doing that? So yeah, and and so that yeah, I mean, I think you know and I It's probably a little bit of a buzz term but I think if you do know your why then you certainly give yourself a chance to have more purpose and meaning in what you're doing and Direction. Yeah, that's what you're after for. Sure. I know I think it's a big thing when you come out of school, you get all this pressure to swim know what you want to do and you can lead you to just going into University like you said but blind and I think that should be something out there where like the first man. Three months you don't go to university and you figure out what you lie is I think it would probably take more people in University and like you said, you know, just keep people motivated when they do know they were absolutely and I'm and I'm Testament to that. I absolutely I mean, I think there is his focus at this is what you got to do, you know, you get to year 12 and then you got to go off and do this and you're either going to get a trade or you going to get a degree you're gonna go work and then you just get caught in this sort of rot. And then You're right. Like if you knew what your why I was and whether that has to happen the year after school and never might be an evolving Dynamic process. But I think that gives you that purpose and then you find that if you those people at work that maybe don't have the direction or the purpose or you know, they don't know their why then they're the people that you don't want to work with because they're a bit negative and it's not really but they're trying to be like that, but they just there have been lost. I don't know what they're doing to do and then I think workplaces. You know put more positive and more driven if everyone knows what they want to do and certainly in that grind at Uni, you know, I mean obviously it to a certain point everyone has to go to school but at that you anywhere. Yeah are there hopefully at the your choice, you know, not your parents choice, but so many people are just they're just going through the motions. Yeah. Just getting a degree as opposed to being motivated to be that At that person at the end of the degree. Yes. Oh for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, I understand and now I'm moving on to the next segment. It's more about mentors and all about people who have had a significant so that aspect in your life and then also about giving back in the community. So I have you had like like you said your business partner was a bit of a significant Mentor but have there been certain mentors for different aspects of your life. Like you said that Psychologists and all that. So yeah, look II think anyone who's done in sport has been exposed to coaches and I think what I've been so lucky that in swimming. I was exposed to some really fantastic mentors and probably always had coaches that were older, you know, and so from a very young age I swung with mr. Kerew. It's crazy that That even my dad called him. Mr. Kerew. No one ever called him John. It was always mr. Kerew. It's a brand-new suit teachers on the street. You don't know whether the court first name or last name? Yeah, and I'm fortunate. Mr. Cruz passed away now, but he now in our swim Squad, you know, we had for a period of time there we had obviously kieren Perkins was there through his whole career is one of the greatest of all time. Everyone called. Mr. Cruz Ted Cruz really respectful sort of coaching environment and I felt like we learnt For people and how to communicate how to talk to people in that sporting environment. And so I'd always you know, whether my kids are at good at sport. I think sometimes I really good early Mentor is that kind of sports coach providing you get the right one? Obviously, sometimes you can fall into some bad coaches, but and then you know, I've had surf coach has the same who were and swam with Dennis cottrill and Rayleigh and Ryan. Here who have fantastic mentors as well. And so we're really lucky through sport in just to sort of see and have people that you can kind of obviously you're looking to in your sporting sort of stuff, but they are also show you how to interact with people and and I guess you learn Without Really realizing that your as you can hear the audio sadly cut out it was due to my camera actually not being fully charged. So My hand up it is all my fault. Nick goes on to speak about the significant figures that have shaped him into the person who he is who he is today through mentorship. Obviously, he's co-founder and certain individuals in the sporting industry. And then he goes on to speak about his charity that he started which is the albatross Nippers. So he's helping reduce blockages in the sport of surf lifesaving and making a more inclusive sport for all. To enjoy if you want to check him out on these social media. It's the underscore Ozzy underscore Sports underscore physio that's on Instagram. And if you want to check in on Facebook just gone surf like Physio and that's his physio practice. Well tune in next time as I interview Dave Gardner. The owner of Gardner cars. He started this with one car and now he's turned into a hundred car business hear his story and how he Dated it. Thanks for listening. I'll see you soon.

This episode was the most free flowing interview to date. I spoke with Nick Marshall, the co founder of surf life physio. We spoke about your network is your net worth, and how compartmentalisation has helped nick handle tuff situations and leave them in the office and not worry about them when he spends time with the family or does other tasks. Nick learnt this off a psychologist that he is forever grateful for. Then we spoke about how the expectations you have on you when your 16-20 expecting to know what your "why" is or at least thinking you know what it is and then realising first week of uni wtf am i doing here this is not what excites me. Alot of teenagers believe its a race to finish there degree and they just want to get out in the workforce and they think it will be awesome, take a step back and really ask yourself "are you happy" are you excited to wake up or are you dreading to get up for the day. Society will tell you that your best days are when you are at uni or school but i don't know about you but i reckon that's bullshit and you should look for different people to look up to. If you want to see more of nick here is his instagram and facebook; IG: The_aussie_sports_physio FB: Surflifephysio If you enjoyed the podcast don't forget to give it a share and tell a friend.

Hello, everybody. Welcome to episode 47 Acres shouidn't so Ross, but I did meet at the Lakers shooting bulk up some very good question my phone thank you very much. Look. We want to offer a shit back approach to student life and to also discuss the problems that Effects all young people Jello we Face most the topics that we discuss how we understand. I just want to make it a bit more accessible for younger people. Well enunciated thank you like that raising the energy levels in the room. Could you please give them our Instagram bundle? Yeah Instagram is the naked student underscore so easy to remember and probably the best medium to find us on we have reached 1,000 followers. We have indeed. I didn't seem very excited about obviously. We're still Growing each and every day and I as the game has gone up to a level that is to join, you know. Yeah, they're really ready to hook. He's got some fantastic graphics on the go. He's The Wiz kid on there. So we've upped it. I'd say this but I'm not a turn at the moment Vince Vaughn Ross by us what they call this find Ross. I don't know where I stand them. Also. Let's not forget. We also have another platform that we use which is art Tienes capital letters those underscore podcasts s is so very important. Yeah, so we used Twitter slightly differently Twitter's for the Articles follow on from what we discuss in these podcasts and also just generally call articles that we find funny videos that we find a couple of gifts couple of hands. Yeah just like that. So you retweeted the Dalai Lama. Yes happiness. Yeah. To the 20 and finally also if you enjoy these podcasts then and you have an iPhone, of course then could you go to Apple podcasts and leave us a nice review because it helps us to climb the charts each day. I don't really get our message out to more people which is the aim of this bunker coat sleeve. So it isn't it but today episode 40 we have a guest a guest who's been on before a few weeks back Emily. How are you Emily? I'm good. Thanks. How are you guys? Yeah, not too bad. Nice to have you back nice to be back. Yes, and we're going to sort of somewhat continue the conversation a little bit from last time. So we focused on sustainability on the world. It was you know, what was the title? Maybe we're all a bit doomed but do with a brooding work involved and I think this time we want to hone in a little bit. We're on this Christmassy theme at the moment. So we thought what better time to do a podcast about way Just what we can all do that at Christmas time a time of excess. I think it's asking us very good way to put it. It's really hilarious indeed. So we're going to focus on that in the second half we as well as a few other things such as the UN climate talks, which is informed a little bit about this debate. But in the first half we wanted to talk to Emily about myself a little bit more and how she arrived at the stage. Here's where she obviously cares so much about the environment and it's the thing that she wants everyone else to be as passionate about as well. So we want to sort of understand that Journey a little bit more. That's all right. Yeah. Yeah, so I know you guys wanted me to touch a bit about school University because obviously it's very different for everyone as well. And that's obviously a big part of how I got to sustainability and why I want to build a business around a sustainable life and I think the place that makes the most sense Sense to start is kind of at the beginning. So that's very good. I think if you ask any child what their dream is to be they don't come out with I want to be a banker or I want to be the counter what about it over carefully say that it said it. So for me, I loved history. I grew up watching the mummy. So yeah. Yeah, I really wanted to be an archaeologist loved all that kind of I was probably one of the nerdiest children you will ever like for I don't know if the birthday presents normal girl said well the same normal girls all the other girls in the class did get like Princess toys. My friends would buy me science that I felt left out. So anyway, I kind of got the secondary school and I think turning point for me was the first every year 700 grams. So the the subject that I like the most like history and English I did the worst in just because I just couldn't write fast so you can't get the get it all down yesterday is so annoying and just having that I think I went to a very high pressure school or just high high high academic performance. So just the stress of not being think considering good at something. Yeah kind of lost interest in it at all completely and then it was like, well what we're gonna do? Yeah. Well what what came down to what am I good at if I look at a Humanities then give them the two choices your cat not kind of given at school, but that's reality. Its kind you're either going to be a lawyer or a doctor you pushed into. Yeah. This is very true stinkpot see right? Yeah. So if science I was gonna be a doctor then I'll just Seem to fit with the way School wanted me to go the way my subjects went so did some work experience and that and I remember just getting to the end of the week. Like I'm so bored at home, but I'll try I'll be better when it's my job. You don't really think it through you. Just thinking to get an interview. I need to take off that and then I think a turning point was definitely when I went to an open day with my mom and they were listing all the qualities of a doctor at the University of Sheffield like empathetic and patient. And caring my mom just elbowed me and when you've got none of these calls, well, I've definitely grown a lot more games. Yeah, and then I wrote was trying to write my personal statement and you the kind of got a kind of got back up all these qualities supposed to have not just like I'm just like everything I'm writing about teamwork. I've just wasted something. It means everyone's yeah. At that stage to do geography. I focus on the physical side of it and I remember writing about all these light rocks that I had encountered over my time. Like well not lots. Yeah. She didn't touch physical geography. It's so us you do for ya personal statements good grief. You have to be it's somewhat like your CV is well, it is what it is. I think everyone is a bit. What's the temperature economical with the truth National Geographic magazine? And twice a week. I've never read it what at subscription to issue magazine just by throat. Sorry go on then you find literally sexually but yeah, I mean everyone was like the thing is with with something like Madison was I five six years at the University then to Foundation then it just wasn't it's not like if I wasn't just if I was just making up on the spot, that's not really a gamble you can take with them a career that so long. So instead of thought you know, what biochemistry kind of fits the subjects So write another line personal statement, but slightly more truthful. So what what does biochemistry involve and what sort of things you do or did you ditch generally couldn't tell you what good luck condense everything I know want to like like an 85 piece of people, you know, it's ridiculous. But yeah, it's basically like enzymes and proteins. It's interesting. So remember with the University of Leeds being so close when I was in Louis X or stop very Table Six when I was like, oh, I don't want me to do not could do medicine. I went to the University of Leeds open day and sign every single one of the talks really just I find about the subject. So I remember getting the biochemistry one. They started talking about proceeding was like gasps. Oh, you know jobs over doing that panicked and end up doing it. That was six. He decided Yes. Actually I'm trying to think really from personal perspective. I just thought of changed what I wanted to do as well. I wanted to economics and management of your house. I you Decide like a well if you enjoy it, but be you got to think like what are you actually good at? What are your skill sets as usual. I wanted to do business our business management stuff like that and suddenly thought I would have said the Unis I wanted to go to a kind of shows uni over actual course, which is probably bad things too. So I chose geography instead by remember going to not seem you need a light, you know with your mom for an open day. Not your mom. For the very same as always we went all the way to not see him first. So we went into it's fantastic. Yeah, Mom was few. Should I eat to put a good impression as I'm um, they don't know who I am. I didn't go to a single opened it because I went to any merch my second choice and I'm going to take a gap year because I've never been to I don't know. What's it like it was I just off the core my second choice because I didn't get my think. I'm a great skill to you, sir. Missed out on you are nice-looking. I don't know how much an open day it sort of gives you insight to actual Unity. Does it I mean I did go to Bristol for me going to breast has more about looking at the city. Yeah, it was really nice hordes words and obviously shambles whores were Grim. Yeah, but that's everyone. Crystal Crystal, yeah, first year, you know what mine weren't too bad apart from they had like a silverfish infestation and when you have like insects things that like trouble in pipes, so so you have to do the whole building but they just sort of float by flight travel up the drain pipe. Yeah. So it's like you just disgust that's hardly but living in flowers like in the cupboard as well. It's horrible. See him or Syria. No, no the like proper little try to compare them to something without solid wide is the only friy Bay for it. So missed a big fish. So they're probably around the side. It's the main Asian either definitely not definitely some level on that. Oh, wow their goal. Was that sounds like a cockroach? No, no small that I said, I'd say like a mop with its wings closed in like a not a massive mouth Mark just like I'm gonna say the original Mark gargantuan, but that is disgusting. Anyways, yeah, but I mean in terms of that like I still had like an ensuite and when when the sole fish were there like a free course bad so I can't really complain that much. It's really really driven by sure toilet with Yeah, I think especially when you don't know the people you're moving in with I think he's just give you your own space a bit. Yes, I think you and so you in a flat. Yeah, because I think that was slumped slightly difference what we had like, so I think a lot of you need is just like this prison building recommended on Stewie. Yeah brothers that Community I realize I said that may be an obvious question. Well at least get you ranked what you want. So when I was like location or Self catering or en suite so the top of my desire. I need monster you gal far away from you dear. I am I wonder what that was because like sometimes when you have that sort of option for an en suite, sometimes you're like you stay in your room a bit more or whatever because you have because you don't have any transfers the toilet because once you bring this back, okay, so you need to satisfy about biochemistry. And yeah, End up enjoying that unit. No. No, I think by the Five Thirds of my attendance rate was like less than 4% or something ridiculous. Like I really I just I just it just you know, it's like the when they decided to plan University that like, right, what is the least effective way of teaching people and we are going to do it like that. Yeah, so I can't I can't learn by. Someone just talking at me, but also the speed they did it up and it's no time to learn anything. Did you have your like choose recorded so you can walk? Yeah, so that was a big big fuck you. Just watch mr. Or be very very start. Or you don't go in but you still catch up for that if you got mate, so I'll just give you the money. Honestly. I told my friend Oliver. I actually mentioned in the last one valve X into Rebellion like that all his podcast but she gave you like author note since I could year so I had a very nice trip somewhere forgive me my degree, but everyone needs a friend like that. Yeah when they need it most but yeah, so he didn't really enjoy it. No, and then we had so we had labs for six. Hours a week. So it's like you literally wow, you hold one day you're in a lab for six hours a day. I pointless experiments and to Counting proteins. I was seven. I was in total. Yeah contacts a difference in science and 28 ridiculous. I'm trying to meet people. Yeah, I guess you do me a lot of people only course the make sure you're actually going was in touch the whole Space your friendships or were they? Yeah, definitely. So yeah pretty much. My friends from my course and then just threw my the housemates and they're your friends but one of the girls a lot to the girls, I love with her from my course. She saw him at kind of everyone else. I think when you're in that a lot and you do tend to stick with your course with it being so intensive hours wise. Yeah, I think that's the big difference for people to think of, you know with Humanities and the more sciency based practices. Look at most. Holy any well, actually that's a lot like quite a few people did history but my friendship it's wood from the course. It was from outside that yeah, I have like I had four hours a week and it's all on a Monday. So I had six days off from we obviously you like like I can do all my summon our work on a Tuesday. I have three weeks Sunday night at 9:00 a.m. Every day every day, which is probably why my attendance rate dwindled. So worse. I just I just be obscene a kid, I'd get back from 9 a.m. At like 11 o'clock and I just sleep the rest of your rights. I'm not surprised. No name is to remember that. Has he been socializing and there's good old days when we all had made run lives. When was he sort of neighbor when you're like right here. I actually want to do something different away from my calls. I don't want to use this to go into a job. When was there like a specific moment? I say the turning point was during that I think the labs was a turning point. I was like, I can't do this. I don't want to do this. So that was my first indication and then I got a job working at Manchester Airport. In duty-free, so that's where so I start work at five o'clock in the morning finish up at five o'clock, but not just that so Airport parking because I wasn't I wasn't consistently there because I was at Uni I didn't pay for the parking because it was more than what I would be learning some of the months because I wasn't working the whole month and they automatically just take off your wages. So I was getting up at 3 o'clock in the morning to walk to the airport because there's no park anywhere with your whole heart like security reasons. How long does that take? Here 40 minutes. Okay, that's at every morning for that shift then start on my feet all day and I think Jean Paul Gaultier the perfume tipped me off the edge because I was just in the sailor costume for 12 hours in the same spot and then you'd have people what will pass out any rationale get away from me. Get away from me in sailor costume. Oh, I'm the best part of it is when you see if you see any of that adverts. They have like this Opera noise. Yeah on TV behind me for 12 hours. If I every time I see Dad where I throw something at CV honestly that I used to watch that all the time. It was on its are halfway through one of my favorite shows but the same the costume of love in that big fan of what are the bottles of aftershave look like that bodies. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to do is like the thing Jean Paul Gautier. Yeah, I'll try them in the shop and maybe a family and it was horrible horrible. I just character building. That's what this ER. Yeah. Yeah, you know what, but I was living in a different time zone to everyone else and I thought My as actually paying a lot better than most kind of student jobs. So I just can't I can't do something. I hate the rest of my life and I looked at back at my University experience or so, like getting myself slabs. It's a struggle and that's pretty much the one compulsory attendance thing I have and I'm not managing to consistently do that. Actually enjoy anything I'm doing so I kind of looked at what what can I do? What will I enjoy doing and I don't have been big into fitness because of my because my mum and I done before I was in sixth form. I was working a receptionist at a gym. So I was like, well, I'm just giving you a PT qualification is something I love the love exercise. I love training and it's something I'm passionate about. So that's why I was working so much over summer to pay for this personal training degree. So I did all the PT qualifications and also because it's quite it's like thousands of thousands of pounds to do that. This is Petey Kafka 3,000 pounds, so Then try and find out what uni, so I was paying that off for like a year. So it was working at the airport for a bit when I was still trying to get PT clients are doing a bit of pitting and doing an academic internship at University. So I had like all that going at once didn't really I mean I did obviously had the student experience but after pitying for because I was petting here because I thought well, my plan is I can't suffer client base and leads and then finish University and with Manchester and then not have a job. So I was traveling back and forwards from leads to Manchester like multiple times a week PT and it just I think just the traveling was part of that but it just didn't have time to exercise myself. So I really fell out of love with my own great Fitness thing and then I got to talk to brother of my final year at University of so, I'm not ready. I've worked three jobs a whole time. I've been here. I've not really hard bop University experience. So stop eating I thought whilst I've enjoyed doing it. I will My clients and training people and just getting to know people really it's a very social job and it is great. But I just thought this isn't going to be a long term thing for me kill it kill just say I respect that so much like that growing like, I'm actually I'm so taken aback at how that is. So impressive to balance all of that at such a yeah, it was it was it was tough and I think I think it was just a realization of when I finish University these kind of I know I'm not going to use my degree. So these three years are kind of Of not Wasted Years, but my years to kind of get out everything. I need to feel like I need to get the most out of while some young and I thought it got dr. Tobin of that not done this. I think the longest I've ever stayed at University for its two-week sot Corey over here. So I just love those months close as well as hah. Yeah. Hah. Yeah. How long did it take to get back an hour? What's start first year when I was fairly new to driving that now 15 by the end. It was a 55 minutes. Yeah, when you first start out Joe you first you first like yeah when you're driving, I think that's the best the best and the most. Hey, yeah, I remember going for a whip-round there. As soon as I passed my test and Mike are on notice for this vol 5 they have to do is rush hour traffic. I was I was I was I was yeah, but now when you I think when you're closer to home, you have the tendency to just nip back at the week. Yeah, one of our dear friends at lead to know she does that as well because you weren't if you have the opportunity to iíd recommend it obviously not everyone can what go home. Yeah, cuz obviously like distance wise without you over there doing bro. Yeah fortunately, but you are completely he had the opportunity. Hmm. Just just to like refresh become a human being again, you know away from this beauty lifestyle of just I don't know it's hard to keep a routine sometimes isn't it? So home can just reset it. So I see it as we say only go. But yeah, I mean, it sounds like I mean, I respect that so much. I'm real. I'm just the amount you were balancing a young age is yeah. It was it was very very fun. Yeah, but I don't know I wouldn't change that. I think might work it work. Ethic was probably a lot stronger than but I think I probably did need some more more time to unwind after all that then what I gave myself, I think when I first finished University, I was like right I'm going to throw myself straight to my business because why well, as I was I'd been partying and doing everything else. I'd already kind of put into the The process of thinking about what do I actually want to do? Right if I'm not personal training and I'm not doing anything with biochemistry. What is my plan and that's when I started to plan my company so I can sustainable clothing company so that all been in the works for about a year before I finish University because I originally wanted to launch it was I was eating I was like, come on can get caught. You don't have time for anything else. I mean it was something like starting your own business or even do even my degree at the end of it. I have to give it. 2% if I wanted to make it work and especially starting out as a young business owner. I'm gonna have to give that a hundred fifty percent. I can't do that when it comes to see a uni, so I think when I finished I was like right give yourself a week go on holiday come back and start the graft. But if you're not ready to get him something you need to give yourself the rest your mind deserves. Otherwise, you're not gonna be able to function correctly Society sometimes sort of tells you the opposite tells you right you got Crying, you gotta grind straight away. And I think the fact that you do that as an incredibly mature decision decision that we recommend people do when we like, you know, if you want to pursue something properly make sure that you're you're going to give it your all not 60% Yeah, which is what a lot of people will do. I think supporting is because obviously work hard throughout school. Don't you obviously the schools we went to as well quite intense. I think it is important to take a bit of time out and obviously you need a few is quite quite not So long, but yet, like I said, yeah DPT stuff is good that you've actually taken a bit of time and you have more time to think about it to be honest. Why don't you really plan out what you want to do rather than just rush into something then that it not working perhaps because you rushed into it completely. I think you said that really well. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. I mean also times change that markets change. I had to hold business partner to be completely scrapped and redone but it was good because it gave me like a fresh start. Yeah, so but all together I'd say to anyone thinking about going to University units into of the course. It sounds ridiculous because I didn't take this advice when I was given it so when I was about to go into a levels, I love German at school and I'm quite good at it say with art and and I remember my gym teacher saying I know your candy you like it and I know you're considering doing it. And then what is your reasons for not wanting to do it and it was the I didn't think her getting a star on it. So that's so we're calling an adult-sized eyes, but a lot of people think she said you can't just do something because you don't think you got The grades in it by the time it wasn't the most important thing to me. I think the sweet spot is between enjoyment in your grade as well as like, you know what it would be like a Venn diagram and there's sort of overlapping and you will not have sweets. What were you gonna do but you also enjoy because it you need this is what you found out like mmm. If you enjoy something you will do better. Yeah, the only one long just that she's like what I found obviously the units in geography were okay, obviously choose what she needs to do. So I was that I was a bit of a bit of a poor sport obviously. Human and I'd say about 50 to 60 percent of the unit's I did I didn't actually enjoy really short like that philosophical geography exactly what you want to do the choice. I know economics didn't have much choice. You have to choose your class Shield Works given us at the yeah given a question. Is obviously but which ography thought that was the person obviously I did better meditation because I actually enjoyed it got some me was actually like capture the whole. Yes, you do better what you enjoy? Yeah, but with so we're sustainability. And as you mentioned the company that you are hoping to well, but you will sort of start in the next year or so did that love for that field and that passion for that field start in University or is it started? What do you think? It's developed as you've left University? If I think my kind of environmental my passion for the environment and things like that is that it's growing that all the time I get more and more extreme with with the things I want to do or that my students kind of towards it. But I think it was more of a came more of a result of the person. I became when I was at University, I think there are different reasons people go to university genuinely passionate about their degree want or they want Icarus do with the degree but The lessons I learned and just the person I became through University and also the people I met was worse all the that I'm in now and it wasn't like Wasted Years or anything. I think I went through the hardest things I've ever been through in my life whilst at University and I think before that I had my parents have given me such a wonderful life that I never really nothing bad ever really happen to me. So that's probably why I wasn't that interesting caring because it's hard to if you've never truly experience anything horrible happens. Happened to you can't you can't appreciate what's going on the people's lives because it doesn't occur to you to think about that. Trust me. We know we know that one. Don't worry and I think yeah rise with your views on empathy because it's very true. You know, there's one. This is a big thing like sympathy and empathy is so different putting yourself in that person's shoes is empathy like feeling bad for someone who's obviously sympathy like saying, I it's all right, but I think it's very hard to learn about the unless something bad. Padilla you can put your eye and you know a lot of people struggle and some point with everything. I do really what you said actually because for me it's about is like we discussed this on another podcast to me about what we've actually learned from unit. It might not should be historical facts and job the geographical Fox Sports is about the skills you pick up and you learn a lot about yourself. Then you're living on your own for example dealing with perhaps loneliness and how to go about that. I think that's the key thing person who goes into uni Me and the person to come out upcoming used to being at school 24/7 and looked after doing yes, you do encounter problems, but it's just dealing with them. And yeah learning of our said I think thats starts key process. It's a process and I suppose one thing also. I mean I'm going to ask sort of everyone who comes on but like did you find it hard in first year because I think this is a thing that was horrible. It's horrible. I mean I'd a lot going on at home. So my parents had just were going through a really rough time their marriage and As the oldest child a kind of talk that pressure on to me. Yeah, and just I just I just don't think first the first year these beats only one is is tough for pretty much everyone everyone you speak to us like first it was horrendous, but you never you never hear about that. So you kind of like am I the only one that's feeling this lonely that's that's quite recovered. Like I said dinner which episode it was but I did read some other university 50% of people have encountered some sort of loneliness is episode 23. Oh, yes. A half people. Yeah. Yeah, so I go no, thank you for being you know on this because I think this is we want to have this. Well, the reason for this podcast I guess is that everyone has had that time especially first year first. She was horrible. I look back at your life. Realistically you're in a new city trying to meet new people all the time slot of For it unless you have a big group of people, you know for home that it can be difficult. I think if you know people that helps a lot but still at the same time, but again you learn about that's being one stays your life that you can actually take on board. If they write. I've got through that pretty much. I love the empathy that you said you've you sort of Gone In from yeah, that's sort of turbulent time if you will, I think yeah, I think overall I think I was just giving perspective. That's that's beautiful, but I think when I think When you find a find yourself in like a desperate Point your life think once you come out of that, it's you just it's you're a different person because of it and also you see the world differently. I think just an appreciation for everything was definitely a changing Factor something. That's why I care so much about I don't know what you see things differently. Like when I look at a sunset now, it sounds cringey as fun but I don't know just taking the moment stop and appreciate that and just the world the beauty of the world around us. But then back. Empty if you see all these bad things that happen in the about like the environment like the natural increase the national not natural disasters. Yeah, and you just doesn't sit right with you. You can't you actually thinking that oh my God, these people are going through that losing their family their lives have been torn apart. You just can't sit back and just see as a statistic anymore. Of course. Yeah, so genuinely perspective caring get on the plane that to the world, you know something that obviously Madras probably want to do more. That's why we you know, we love learning from you. And and this is what we gonna do in the second half is given to a little bit more about what we can all do and I hope that everyone you know what I know every will be listened to a lot. Well, you know who I was I was perfectly poor so candid and I think it's actually a beautiful place. Yeah. Yeah. I just keep the baby comes a shit and bring in our world-famous pointless fact of the day. I was want to join in by Shot didn't get caught. That's just a fact of the day. Yes. Love it. Love it. I was I was really nice all the different octaves as well. Yeah, who would like to go first? Not me? Okay. Well, I'm gonna go first it's not interactive. So goodness. No last time is short. So you've got over that now have no no no no. Short and sweet. So Australia and Taiwan have roughly the same population of about 24 million. However, Australia is 200 times bigger than Taiwan. Wow, that is straight as a big coin Trinidad the whole of the Outback like the whole of the Middle Ages. No one lives. It's crazy. Cause you got Perth on one side and that's like sort of one of the only major cities and everyone just moves down it. So 24 million I think is all like 25 million is population of Australia. That's crazy. There you go short and sweet Lolita. I was going to say how many times bigger is Australia didn't I was how many times 200 have two engines other one, right so that we go short sweet who's going next? I'll go next. So I'm not actually sure how legit this fact is I think it is. I think it is. So apparently vending machines kill four times more people per year than sharks four times. Yeah. I believe that I can believe it. I think a lot of the facts to do is sharks. Like you saying earlier, there are people actually get killed by sharks is very insecure. But then there's sensationalism in the news. Like I said, what does it start? Oh my God. Yeah. It was wonder if I live in the Seychelles. This is a few girls that got rhythm who are currently like. Yeah, her mom was that had one was out on the boat? She's got it. No, no sharks like when after all of them today, but yes, it's like but that's that's like out of the six point six. In people warm, it's horrific. Obviously a lot to try to them that but it is crazy how you know, I want me driving. We never get scared really do we know it's all about this last week were me I don't know it's just so that you basically are here on the road. For example, it depends on other people doesn't it so might you might driving perfectly but if someone comes into the back of you as the side of you that, you know, you can't do anything about it anyway so I can almost find what this act. A little bit of a selection going on here, but I'm going to go for one that you may have heard earlier. But I spoke to you is that the average person spends six months of their lifetime waiting for a red light. So in green? How long 6 months of their lifetime waiting for a red lights angry actually Furious is three-halves R Johnny said, would you rather we always it was would you rather constantly get stuck at a red light? I wasn't it or half slow Wi-Fi through rest of your life. See I'm reading this book the moment. That's basically I'm telling you about loads of different things but saying but one of the factor of that is about anger suits your goal to be angry. Okay, then I think about things like traffic and now it makes me so angry and I just sit there thinking. I'm just trying to make myself while you're here. I need to stop this calm down. There is literally nothing worse when you're driving in every like just so yeah, we're still experiencing that they actually I think a lot of people felt about of arch. This is I was following carve just stick the speed limits, okay? Sort of Us video and it's called off its hangers following this car is National speed limit Country Road and stealing about you still thirsty. Okay, which is absolutely fine. I'm not sure there's anything wrong with that but it's very stressed out a lot because I like to go 50/50 sixth inning. I just went 4-4 miles is going 30 30 35 always get speeding up know it's nice because like that we get to the 32k. He speeds up to 50 it just Rises off. I was like wow. Well, that's good. I bet that's one of my pet peeves. Hey, yeah Barry mud, I'll bury one other in front of the it's not really break the speed limit now. I'm I've never had an issue about you killed subject fantastic driver also similarly to my speed awareness course is that so let's see drive 10 miles to get to work for example, and you're running a bit late. If you drive that see break the speed. Let me drive 85 miles an hour down the To rather 7c realistically. All you're going to save is about a minute in time. Yes, you don't need to be together. There's no point because you're only going to arrive a minute earlier. It's not going to make a big difference. It's not that I think it's the pressure from other drivers, you know, if you're sticking to the speed up and you've got like a pretty aggressive driver behind you like for me could be tranquil over like the past we need to do it. Sometimes that is just not feasible. Is it it's fine safe safe place pull up indicate. Check your mirrors anything for bypass. It's not it's not gonna be as hard shoulder maybe so but we are digressing once again, and that concludes all three of us up up up up up up up up idlers fact of the day. That was nice. Nothing to do with what we're going to talk about the second half. So it's best to break it up for the point of fact section. So obviously learned a bit about how you got to like this field and your time of uni, obviously. Thank you for being candid about that. So now we want to talk. Well, well follow on from what we what we talked about on the last podcast we did which is more to do with what we can all do in our lives to make it a bit more sustainable bit make the world a better place. I think that's a good a good generic quote for everyone, but I just wanted to start off this section actually because yesterday or the day before was actually the end of the UN climate talks that happened in Madrid in Spain, which is why I did that selling kits on Jackson. But basically they had a clock as the logo with the tagline Time for Action. You know, this is this is what it's all about with Greta tunberg as well like it's time for actually this is a two weeks long these climate talks and it was very hopeful cop 25. That's the name very hopeful that something had happened and there be some big decisions. So they were to sort of main goals who is questions over-ambition. So this is an individual governments up in the until-- their climate change policies and making them faster making the better making them a priority. And this is obviously just to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and then there's also rules in the Paris agreement. So this was the idea of global carbon markets. So this is like the big discussion point of this is it's kind of weird. It's like trading the right to pollute so you can trade sort of carbon pollution credits or most yeah. Yeah. It's on your own. Is I don't know is looking at the Paris agreement. It's an age thing, but they were very hopeful they were very disappointing results basic. There was everything is pushed back to 2020 as always. It seems in head Pub in politics. Nothing's ever know. So yeah, we'll talk about it next year because it's Friday. So I basically it was pretty poor commitment. And that's quite sad, you know, there's been a lot of Hope in regards to making governments change and it doesn't seem like they're quite on board just yet. But a question that I wanted to pose to both images. Stir to start and I'm not going to talk about climate change too much, but I thought was topical. So there's a the key issue that I think is, you know, these traditionally strong countries from an economic standpoint, you know, these industrial Nations the US the UK, but Allah, they're the ones that caused all these issues are they so these sort of countries that want to develop melzer countries in Africa, for example, starting to develop an arm or they're now being somewhat held back by These restrictions are being put in and I don't want to say it's not fair, but surely the issue lies with the bigger Mission countries. So it should we be enforcing these laws and countries that want to develop when it's actually our countries that have caused this mess. Yeah. How is that China obviously challenge probably one of the biggest yes liters the like should they be like imposing leadership? Jeans and the US on these other countries that are just catching up. Yeah. The question is cut canola is a feast it has to be all United and United Nations. They all have to agree hundred ninety three countries all have to agree. So it would apply to all of the countries that are a part of the you at so that these restrictions that are putting would be on every country. But how is that? Yeah, I think is that I think is really tricky one because it's easier for us to say. Oh, yeah, you just you just do all green. We'll just get on with what we're doing. This one thing. Is he freaking farted in terms of when the Industrial Revolution was massive in like Wesley. Yeah rest of world or like England in particular in particular. We've all been down to style Mill for portraits and coats to Manchester and their parents that time like they talked about the working conditions was just pretty much as making money and for those people to go and do it. They were on they would that was them just paying for that family. Yeah, and it's the exact same could can one. Like conditions but exactly situation these people in these developing countries. Their main priority is not the environment is no funding their family. Yes, and you can't can't judge someone for that is that was anyone's first priority done the ours and we bought a hundred and twenty years ago. Realistically. This is the issue is I do we need to work with these countries need to put in more of an effort as the countries that are sort of industrialized first and to help create a Greener future whilst allow these countries to grow. Yeah, I think definitely there. Kim is definitely that but when we were having our Industrial Revolution the technology for kind of green sustain carbon-free energy was wasn't there but it's now it is but can these countries afford to do it that way when this is a question, that's why I didn't want to like I said last time in India the smog. For example. Yes daddy is 30 times worse than the the average loss is also terrific mom. But hot, how do you go about that? It just comes from the top Justin care. Yeah. Well, this is the other thing like well that will there ever be a grievant ever at this rate? There won't be time to be an agreement. That is very true. I mean with what is it the commitment to the sun year 2015. This is for stuff or shit out. She starts to hit the fan her the fine. Yeah to put it lightly you have little but I anyway I thought I was just starting to kick off his top call. It happened. Past few weeks, you know something that people need to look into research with more the Paris agreement look into this top 25 anything that happened between someone someone needs to take the what I was five I would onus so I was in the lead. Yeah because everyone just going to wait until someone else does and let's go to come to the big countries like China exactly US the US on even in the Paris Accords you do that. Yeah. Absolutely. So Trump tried to pull him out didn't he? Yes, like a year-long process or something and obviously he's about to either be impeached or being scared of me. I think he's gonna win again quite easily I think because they just got a way of tapping into that demographic. It's got yes or no food for Arch the last night. Is that me what are these blue? Which on BBC obviously talk about Trump in this just the advert was it was like say why is it safe Trump or Trump is gray like just it was so fast. No, but this is I think it's just art school or some goals that to sort of kick off this chat about sustainability. And today we're actually going to focus on the customer side of it's going up two Christmases as mentioned at the start time of great success and it's like what can we do? That's quite a small change to make our Christmas is more Eco code. So because our interests and store-bought food first that is obvious. We talked about maybe food and then actual like presents and stuff. Can I hit you up with a gues quickly right in the u.s. How much food as a percentage is thrown out each year. So so I in the US the United States how much food as a percentage is thrown out each year 40% Yeah. I was gonna say four words for that. Did you both these two both know that is that I just know a lot of things that common knowledge now they're kids. 40% which when I read that asset, that's that's a long thing. You know, you'd think I'd be closer to 20 percent which is still a lot but 40% and I mean I suppose at Christmas time that will grow even more going to be close to the city and it's just this is to the UK's this is Unilever. They said that the UK throws away over 4 million tons of edible food during Christmas, which is about 30 percent of our total new annual volume. Sorry, it's just intensifies. Doesn't it? So how many minutes pliers thrown away in the UK? I Christmas. Well, I'll go off or you can guess first. I'll guess like a mince pie. No. No, I don't. I don't like the supermarket. Mince pies. I can't say I never really tried them back. I guess how many thrown away each year TV million 7.5 million. There are so many pigs in blankets all oh God. No. So I thought it most Insidious that 20 million. Okay, I think you've overstepped the Mark again 707 41 million Pigs in Blankets, which is enough to match the weight of a thousand kilograms of leeway, or if you can picture that at all blue whale made out of Pigs in Blankets. Yeah, but I mean is it's about this I think the way to go about trying to obviously he's the sort and actually help. It's actually plan what you're going to eat. So my mom last night said that she waste a lot of food because it goes over that it goes goes over its date. We don't eat it quick enough. She buy all this food and then it gets to 24th of December 11th, you end up throwing it away. So I think it just planning in general and really kind of obviously need to buy a lot because the shops get busy down there and stock up basically and then another thing is to freeze food. Yes. I don't think a lot of people freeze enough food to eat the food over that three days, you know for me. Christmas Yeah, well, yeah leftovers there's loads of creative ways. You can feel bad laughter the food to food these bones. I think I mean you got it's just can you find a local one is that you know, well because in Manchester that for some people that might be some recycling centers do have like well it's like canned food. But yeah if you want to drop so I mean we did that with finish University all the stuff you had in your company means it just fell beans always got eaten something else that I can end up in there. That's the thing to see You can get a Christmas dinner in a column. We see that and they go well sounds throat I think supermarkets are getting getting more involved as well. So I was reading last night the pilot Audi there Step their game up quite a lot. They're basically giving all the leftover or on the sell-by date food over Christmas or laughter Christmas Eve to Charities. And I think there's now five hundred Charities involved in the program. So Last thoughts a good idea to do this fantastic in terms of packaging though, you know, that's that's a big addition coughs. Oh, we just got onto the packaging just quickly because it was a thing that I just read before we came on air. So in the guardian this is just to do with food but like very quickly scared me a little bit to be honest. So they see these two giant called fatbergs like a you know, an iceberg of fart while Ross is just showing me the dinner in the car. That is absurd. It's called Chris. - Timur this is got now by three course Christmas dinner it is that is that is awful. Don't let that up Christmas together. There you go. But right so these two giant fatbergs are removed to the sewers in central London and one weighed 63 tons 63 tombs, so it's been so there's like this play basically for customers to not poor fat down the drains oils and fat which is a I think a lot of people do that fortunately. So just think this Christmas one thing if you take anything away, yeah don't pull down fat and oil down the sink at Christmas because these giant colossal that boots but just for being under the ground for my mom's voice omelets for fact that she keeps me in like empty coffee jars. Yeah, the other thing you mentioned packaging packaging is is a problem, isn't it? Yes. I mean, do you and your household have you thought about how you can make it a bit sort of more eco friendly with the package inside of it or yeah. Well, I'm the rock this year right person. So just give it. Is it just wrapping up and I will ask you can you do the just use wrapping paper? Well, I think so with wrapping paper the basic the problem with it is that it's it's got like a plastic lining on it that has to be separated manually. So just can't be recycled. And also if you buy really cheap they'll see the dies in it. Yeah, it's a good size is big problem of how I messing up the environment. But yeah recycled brown paper is a good way to go and then you can get these really cute wood and stamps and like kind of me. Your own and I've been seeing a really really pretty pretty designs like online where people like wrapped it with string and put so Christmassy looking plant it it looks really looks really really nice, but I don't know some people always like renowned like one of my auntie's everything every Christmas beautiful packaging like you got a bow, you got ribbons or Sparkles amazing. So if she's going to she sort of person that she's going to put that much effort in any way. Yeah to make it all look pretty she would do that with More eco-friendly Alternatives. I think if you're the sort of person that's gonna do the effort. Anyway, why not make the effort to make a eco friendly or not sexy. That's a really great Point definitely unwrapping it goes in the bin. This is a thing you see it for roughly five. So you don't even care what's on the outside you care what's on the inside then you video and take away that you know when your kid will disagree. So what we tend to do is we use bikes. So Christmas Boggs that we've used for the last ten years. So we'll keep we always make the I'm Jody seay the same bags every year so I'll be like I've not seen this before but we use the same ones and wrapping paper. Try not to use wrapping paper, which is literally put it in the bag maybe a bit of tissue paper over the top. So you still got that surprise of feeling you don't know what's inside the new site that saves it and also some it's quite interesting is that in the department of the environment food and Rural Affairs estimated last year's wasted paper would be enough to wrap up again Z. But it's also another little thing you could do is to try the scrunch test. So anything that does not hold its shape when scrunched into a ball, it's not recyclable. This is bad. I mind. Yeah, but yeah, I think it's a thing that we could all cut down and in on the other points of how how durable things are etcetera and about Plastic side of it. Yeah, it's Christmas trees. Yeah, so do you think getting a real or artificial tree is more environmentally friendly what depends if you're getting so you get an artificial like one of the massive. Yeah, I think ones and have it for two years and throw away. Obviously, you've got the plastic waste and energy cost of making that but party have to have it for ten years before having an artificial tree is actually better for the environment. Yeah, but there are different things with Trees now, but you can rent them in a pot. So they just go back to be planted. So it's not the obviously worried like when you if you do get a real tree what happens to it? Is it going to be chopped up for Ward? Is it just me or is it going to go back to your answer? Like this is interesting which is interesting bit of information. So it's you me or artificial tree has roughly a carbon footprint equivalent to about 40 kilograms Greenhouse emissions. Okay, so that's the artificial tree which is more than twice that Of a real tree that ends its life in landfill and more than 10 times that of a real tree that is burned. So you'd be better off bidding the tree of some not saying do that than spine artificial tree unless you keep it for 10 years and then balances out. So these are just important things to think about. Obviously. We don't take advice decorations and stuff funny video. I did see our Cellini whether you've seen his the home. The girl was obviously video on her mom guess in a tree at all. They decided to just roughed up from the previous year it all she does is just take the side of fade off and it just opens up and it's already decorated from last year is all got stuff on it's quite funny. You can't buy them now pre decorated and yeah, like I said Son and barking it's quite interesting looking at the different initiatives there. I wait till you can buy our edible trees and yeah it was it little brother Rosemarie trees. Yeah that you can use obviously S6 for their little table decorations you can get but there's so much you can do Justin just ones her think that's what we're trying to say for this like just pick one small thing. Don't do it. Although me like DNS is ruining my Christmas. Just choose one small thing that we can all do I need what would you say is the easiest thing that people can do this Christmas that's or more eco-friendly. It's I think there's a lot you can do it Christmas. I wouldn't necessarily focus on Christmas if it's one. Thing get the bamboo toothbrush get a bubble. That's what an extra bit of plastic and it's not like sort of thing. You have to think about every time you go shopping. It's just in your cupboard. Oh, yeah. That's the easiest what we can do ask for that for Christmas. So yeah, everyone wants some boom toothbrush. That's a great suggestion. Yeah. Exactly. Even that's a little thing where your little things I do. We said this in the last podcast and we like if everyone did a little thing and make a pretty big difference. And I like that I would ask for but selfishly is a big issue with the presents that people buy a set of people by others. Yeah. So on average we got 17 presents each individually. Think about Harmony. I think when when you younger okay leads for you when you think about how many presents you know, I actually use yeah, but that's what Christmas is about weeks ass is capitalism is a series of presents. And up going to the tip the week after Chris, but also think about how many presents yamanashi used and you don't actually need and maybe by experiences for someone in started. Well, there's lots of similar very good point tickets or even gift card. She's spend on something you want that I think that's a fantastic Point experiences are a great one Oxfam obviously started doing you can sponsor a goat for example continued if animals are absolutely President is so in Scotland in like the national parks. They want to protect that from being built on so you can actually buy up like a tiny patch of tiny tiny patch of land really and then so yeah my one of my friends my sister bought her this oh, she's technically a lady. She technically lady Jamie because you get the title with the landlord can't yeah, that would be so good. That's a nice gift and iterative. I will put the link in the description of for that either. Everyone can become a Lord and Lady and do their bit for that for the London same time. So what have you guys asked for Christmas socks, I've got to the age now where I just don't have any socks anymore pants a hoodie and that's it. Okay. Mine's actually very own theme. I've asked for some Lush packaging a free foundation so that she just comes as I stick. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. I'm just a couple of jumpers but of aftershave. Yeah. Well, that's easy. Are you standing struck is that now people have nobody to go Auntie I'm getting some deodorant though. That's a glossy semi-liquid. He's got such that as but let's be fair. I've got some point now where I'm actually not too fussed. It's about the day it's about food. It's about having a nice time and just kind of soaking it up earlier. The Builder pie thing is more enjoyable than actually yeah. I mean like the calm down off. After as well, which is a bit. What's that new year period you come to John? Yeah, I've got nobody I'm done. I'm done with with going out and stuff. But yeah, no, I want to finish this chat with a happy note, which is, you know, some cool initiatives that we've found around the world these sort of, you know startups or whatever that are the trying to do. Positive things with regards to becoming more eco-friendly maybe packaging or whatever carbon and we've all found one each of that cool things. There is stuff being done whilst it might not seem like the government's are necessary on board. There are things being done. So we all have one. I went first for the point of fact 71 else like to go first to their initiative. They fell I will start please. So the thing I found is called Cobb fix and it's based on tax base. Iceland and what it is is they are turning carbon dioxide into rock and obviously Rockets very permanent. So that carbon dioxide is now locked up which is a great way of getting carbon dioxide out the atmosphere fantastic initiative you I never even like I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah, they're actually doing it for well since 2012. So he's well, you see that's what you wanted to use. You want something like that to be mainstream you so you're like, wow, that's cool. You look into a lot more instead of, you know having to hear it on a pod you'll be With the BBC did something on that, you know guys, I think that's so cool. Yeah Ross of you got one. Yeah, so I think a lot of people know this but I've see the the ocean cleanup and which is a nonprofit organization which basically develops Advanced Technologies to obviously reduce the world's oceans of plastic and I think it's crowded needs to be done. So there's come up with all the different Technologies and developing the developer basically. Feet of systems on the ocean cleanup has been estimated to be able to remove 50% of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. You say that every five years exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's obviously modern. I was kind of made aware of this. I was reading a magazine called the drum which is like a marketing magazine and they've obviously one of those rewards for their campaigns that they've run especially on their Instagram if you on their Instagram is quite interesting link down the description. Yeah, of course and they put loads of videos up and I think that's hugely important. I mean, I'll be very interesting working there to be honest. Yeah or doing something for it. So there's very sides. Yeah, so credible fantastic suggestions, but seeing of the day taking the day. Yeah, so mine is what I was looking at startups really cuz startups take a lot more risk than companies, you know because they can they get funding to take risks. So there are a few you know that stood out so there's one called Loop which you mentioned in the last podcast so dear Emily, so Oh, I didn't choose that one. This one called T / which is israel-based has huge funding and that both to do with packaging and biomaterials and basically removing packaging in a way, but the one that I think really stands out to me is called not to play which is a london-based starter and basically pioneered is edible film made of seaweed so you can package drinks and sauces in seaweed and then eat afterwards which I think is so cool. Then they've also done gone so pretty much sushi. Yeah, but with drinks so really on board, but they also did this really cool thing to democracy where they handed out like water pouches. So you just oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it rather than plastic bottle single year fucking some with bubbles. Yeah, you pop it you have all the water either knows so I'll be thinking about you walking. They had these like Banks. The water. Mm-hmm. No, no, you got to be like obviously aren't ya that's what they actually do. Yeah, I think books life saving the day. Yes it there are some great things happening as you can see in all elements here. People are starting to come together to try and combat the issues that we sort of raised but Christmas, you know, obviously we want everyone's had a lot of fun. It's just something to think about if you can do one small thing this Christmas those eco-friendly Deb a bamboo toothbrush, whatever it is, but just try and do one thing if we all do one small thing it can only really add up to something quite great and look at me. I just appreciate you come back on again, you know the second time myself again. Yeah, it was fantastic to hear, you know a little bit more about you as well. I think that's something that we like to deal with this podcast a we do re do SI. Thank you. It's nice to know that other people especially with the stuff we said with first. She never never was Was a bit this year though that you don't realize that you want to do maybe until you've left uni. Yeah, that's another big thing. You don't have to like go into Union take your degree and use your degree. It's something that will happen maybe later on in life. So these are all important things. So thank you for sort of raising those points. Obviously respect the grind so much to keep going. Yeah, you got an exciting exciting times ahead. Haven't you? Yes, hopefully very nerve-wracking times, but it just got to take that punch. Yes, that is a great advice some Be nerve-wracking is what your the plunge? Yeah, you don't regret anything. You don't know. Yeah not do anything. That's my kids. You don't know until you try it was a classic they were depending on the situation. You don't have the money to do sad thing. Yeah, just be careful because I do that situation. So think before I did but but it was in your lies wrong. So I just want to thank you so much for coming on. I mean maybe a part three is some point in the future something big, you know, your customers are friendly. Yes, but we've got a few other things lined up this A few moments each other work with with people. We don't we don't actually know that the contents are said interviews just yet. But we've got we've got a few more lined up wanted to bring you some some Christmas Joy at TNS. We've had to sell our research and easy. I hate Christmas. I'm Scrooge Scrooge, but hope is a lesson is Christmas Joy enjoy it, but we'll be back in the next couple of days guys. So it's Health kitchen window see it.

Welcome to our second interview of the Christmas period - Episode 40! Today we welcome back Emily to the podcast. Emily joined us for episode 34 to discuss the human impact on the environment (make sure to give it a listen if you haven't already) - something we build upon in today's episode. However, before we delve into that, we first explore Emily's path from school to uni and beyond. She tells us why she cares so passionately about the environment and making a difference, and how this came primarily from developing a real sense of empathy whilst at university. After our Pointless Facts, we then hone in on how we can all make our Christmas' more sustainable in little ways, so as to not spoil any of the fun. We raise issues such as pouring fat down the drain, food waste, wrapping paper & even the issue with Christmas trees. Christmas is a time of excess and thus, if we all made one small eco-friendly change each, it could make a real difference. Stay to the end to hear some cool initiatives taking place around the world that are tackling environmental issues! We absolutely loved this episode and we hope you do as well.

Don't have enough time to sit down and read all the best Bitcoin articles. Well, let us read them for you. This is a crypto Konami quick read. It has been a bit of a crazy day here. I have had power literally shutting off and coming back on every 30 minutes for almost two and a half three hours this morning before everything was shut down. So I've been unable to access my computer. And then once I finally got the power company to figure out the head but huge problem in my meter box on the side of the house. The main line was actually getting yanked. was was almost actually was it was completely pulled out of the contact and it was just resting against it, which is Grazie crazy not good and then I couldn't figure out I looked like my USB extender and my keyboard were screwed up. So at spent an hour trying to diagnose that because all my I have a really obnoxious Electronics setup in the closet and yeah trying to Source out problems with that was basically anything but quick and easy. So it looks like I have got everything back up and running and operational. So we are getting back in and I still want to it's late. Afternoon already, but I want to try to get in a read today. So hopefully hopefully you'll be hearing this or will see this post it on Wednesday, even though I have a man. I have a something else to get to in about an hour and a half. All right. So let's let's go ahead and I'm not going to waste any time. Let's go ahead and jump right into this read. We are Reading part 3 of 4 of Brandon quit Em's mycelium series for Coin I will link two parts one and two. I don't think you'll really need to get parts 1 and 2 in order for this to be interesting but I highly highly recommend it in part four is not out yet. So we will probably be covering that well whenever he drops it, but we are Reading part 3 today titled Bitcoin is the antivirus mushroom medicine. So without further Ado, let's go ahead and jump right into this piece. We've all heard the incredible potential of a Bitcoin future. I'm certainly own board for sound money and social scalability. However, this drama will take decades. What if Bitcoin doesn't survive long enough to realize its full potential thankfully Satoshi learned from failed attempts at private money Bitcoins genetic code was engineered for maximum survivability. In this article, we're going to explore the fertile macro-environment in Bitcoins survivability to do the lens of fungi. Here's the whole series for reference part 1 Bitcoin is a decentralized organism. Mycelium part two Bitcoin is a social creature mushroom. Part 3 Bitcoin is the antivirus to uncertainty or medicine. This one and part for Bitcoin is a catalyst for human evolution space money coming soon. Let's Dive In. honey bees varroa mites and mushroom medicines In 1997 a curious Mycologist by the name of Paul stamets observed a unique Behavior demonstrated by honey bees the bees went out of their way to consume water containing mushroom spores. Hmm. That's interesting thought Paul 15 years later Paul started to connect the dots honey bees were dying at an unprecedented rate due to colony collapse disorder or CCD the bees. Dying in part by infestations of varroa mites which transmit deadly viruses such as deformed Wing virus and lakes and I virus chemicals used in modern agriculture poisoned the bees so their immune systems are too weak to fend off the varroa mites as bees travel around they spread the mites to all nearby bees leading to a 70 percent decline in Bee populations since 2005. Who cares about the bees bees are a Bedrock species responsible for pollinating a large percentage of our food sources avocados almonds Etc. If we lose the bees there are countless Downstream effects such as lost jobs destroyed ecosystems and reduced food security back to our Mycologist Paul who in 2012 made a Monumental realization fungi are known to support a Systems and bees must have instinctively known to drink the fungal water Paul tested his hypothesis and soon after demonstrated that using a simple antivirus mushroom medicine. We can reduce the effects of deformed Wing virus and colony collapse by 80% Our current monetary regime is the varroa mite. Our current Central Banking based monetary regime is just like the pesky varroa mites attacking our financial markets. One varroa mites are hard to kill fiat currency regimes benefit from a monopoly on violence. To they spread viruses on everything they touch Market distortions cronyism regulatory capture and three- Downstream effects Capital Miss allocation increased time preference limits human productivity and increases the risk of catastrophe. Bitcoin is the antivirus the mushroom medicine that quote saves the bees Bitcoin the mushroom medicine prevents the spread of our destructive Financial hegemony the varroa mites which will usher in a new era of human achievement saving the bees has secondary effects such as ensuring food security. Heading into the great unknown. We're heading into a period of uncertainty never before witnessed by our civilization. The Fiat money experiment is on Shaky Ground and our social systems are beginning to break down. Globally, we're facing unprecedented debt to GDP levels the FED European Central Bank bank of Japan and the bank of England now appear to quote own a fifth of their government's total debt central banks are running out of moves. In a last-ditch effort European Central bank's are pushing negative interest rates. Are we really going to allow the hegemonic banking system to charge depositors for storing our digital Fiat in their insecure panopticon Banks. How about China? China's real estate market is shaky and long overdue for a correction Capital controls and seeking yields in a cooling economy have led to inflated real estate prices in China what happens when the market corrects and everyone rushes for the door better have a plan B and the US The u.s. Is currently over twenty two trillion dollars in debt. However, don't expect the u.s. To default on their obligations former fed. Chairman. Alan Greenspan said the United States can pay any debt because we can always print money to do that. Easy money is one hell of a drug. In an enlightening article titled. This is water been hunt explains how artificially suppressed interest rates or Easy Money lead to decreased productivity and a zombification of our financial markets this same pattern foreshadowed the oh 809 Financial collapse quote. The reason companies aren't investing more aggressively in plant and equipment and technology is because we have the Most accommodative monetary policy in the history of the world with the easiest money to borrow the corporations have ever seen why in the world would management take the risk and it's definitely a risk of Investing For Real growth when they are so Awash in easy money that they can beat their earnings Guidance with a risk-free stock buyback. Why in the world would management take the risk and it's definitely a risk of testing for gaap earnings when they are so Awash in easy money that they can hit their pro-forma narrative guidance by simply buying profitless Revenue why in the world would companies take any risk at all when the FED has eliminated any and all negative consequences for playing it safe end quote. Social structures are showing weakness. Countries around the world are seeking to eliminate physical cash cash is a fundamental tool for privacy and is a requirement to maintain an open Society without physical cash or Bitcoin citizens are at the mercy of the financial surveillance machine a slippery slope indeed. Can't forget China's social credit system soon. China's surveillance technology will be exported all around the world. Young people don't trust their governments or financial institutions 40% of Americans cannot afford an unexpected $400 expense. No wonder potential Democratic nominee. Andrew Yang is gaining steam in the polls while campaigning for Universal basic income an uncertain future is a perfect substrate to breed extremism Democratic socialism modern monetary Theory negative interest rates policy. See the war on cash widespread consumerism and mounting student debt are merely symptoms of a derelict regime. Our Legacy institutions are simply not equipped to deal with the complexity of the information age. Current attempts to fix the political economic machine from the inside are unironically powered by the quote waste heat of the war machine. Hat tip vinod Gupta. We need a systemic change something Cut From a Different Cloth. What if a sound money regime Bitcoin is an antidote to the madness? It is my hope that in the future will look back on our current quote Fiat banking experiment with discussed. How could we live under such an archaic regime for so long just like fungi transforms dead and dying organic matter into New Life Bitcoin will transform our decrepit banking system into a robust Financial Foundation upon which new growth can occur. the great filter of cryptocurrencies Can Bitcoin survive long enough to reach its full potential? Cyberpunks anarchists and voluntarist have been trying to create private non government money for a very long time. In fact modern attempts date back more than 30 years since the early days of CHA Me Andy cash to eagled and be money despite moderate success of private money before Bitcoin. Eventually, they were all shut down by overreaching governments and or business interests. the great filter Theory The great filter theory was developed after noticing our lack of success finding intelligent life in the universe. Where is everybody? The theory predicts during life's evolutionary process. There are some obstacles that are extremely unlikely or impossible to overcome. That obstacle is the great filter. For example, what if every time an advanced civilization created nuclear bombs it ended up destroying itself in this scenario. It might be statistically improbable to survive long after inventing nuclear weapons. For cryptocurrencies, the great filter is surviving nation state level attacks Bitcoin is the only monetary species that has a chance of surviving the great filter more on this below. Why would a nation state or entrenched business want to attack a competitive form of money? In short he who has the gold makes the rules. Two main benefits of controlling the money supply are the ability to inflate the money supply a shadow tax and the can see on affect the kantian effect describes the uneven expansion of the money supply when the Central Bank prints new money those closest to the money Banks and big corporations profit from new cheap money by the time the rest of the population receives. The new money price inflation has already begun. the Keynesian effect results in a wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich Quote I cannot what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the Sun never sets the man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply Nathan Mayer Rothschild. The government goes to Great Lengths to protect their monopolies. Like eagled in the 1990s any competing cryptocurrency can thrive in times of Peace? However, when sufficiently agitated those in power will lash out to protect their interests history is littered with examples between 2006 and 2008 the US government expanded the definition of the money transmitter license under the Patriot Act to Target eagled in its peak eagled was processing over. Two billion dollars worth of purchases per year. Unfortunately, the US government took advantage of the centralized nature of e-gold busted down the door and shut it down. Moral of the story governments do not like competition. In fact Congressman Sherman from California recently called for a complete ban of Bitcoin. Sherman is surprisingly enlightened. He understands Bitcoins true Mission creating a new Global base money that cannot be weaponized by the global superpower dujour time for a new strategy be unstoppable. In 1984 famous Austrian Economist Friedrich August von Hayek, unknowingly laid the foundation of Bitcoins evolutionary strategy be unstoppable quote. I don't believe we shall ever have a good money again before we take the thing out of the hands of government. That is we can't take it violently out of the hands of government. All we can do is buy some Sly roundabout way introduce something that they can't stop end quote Friedrich Hayek with chilling foresight Hayek predicted Bitcoin some 25 years prior. Satoshi obviously read Hayek, and he understood the great filter of cryptocurrencies. In 2009 Satoshi Nakamoto released an implementation of Hayek's Unstoppable money from day one Bitcoin was engineered to survive the great filter. Quote a lot of people automatically dismiss e currency as a lost cause because of all the companies that failed since the 1990s. I hope it's obvious. It was only the centrally controlled nature of those systems that doomed them. I think this is the first time we're trying a decentralized non-trust based system end quote, Satoshi, Nakamoto. All right. Let's take a quick break. I'm going to go get something else to drink. We'll hit our sponsor and come back and finish up this awesome piece Bitcoin is the antivirus. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid me for exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. If I don't want it I can edit at sound effects clips and they automatically published to all of the top podcasting platforms. I never had to do a thing. So if you were thinking of starting a show or already have a podcast, there's no better platform out there check out anchor by downloading the app. Go to Anchor. FM today. In order for the full potential of Bitcoin to be realized it needs to be so resilient that even nation state level actors cannot successfully kill Bitcoin this meant preventing any party from having full control over the system. Parallels with fungi the most resilient species on our planet over 1.3 billion years of evolution fungi have perfected the art of staying alive unlike plants fungi. Do not rely on sunlight instead. They find or create their own food fungi. Do not have a centralized point of failure making them resilient to attacks when sufficiently Herbed fungi steal genetic code from their ecological neighbors the horizontal Gene transfer since complex life evolved on our planet. We've experienced five great Extinction events where seventy five to ninety six percent of all life on Earth perished. During each cataclysmic event fungi inherited the Earth due to their anti fragile nature in an effort to survive the great filter Bitcoin mimics effective evolutionary strategies observed in the fungi Kingdom. Can Bitcoin survive the great filter? How could you kill Bitcoin turn off the internet make it illegal to use tax it to Hell any cryptocurrency that cannot feasibly survive a nation state level attack is pointless simply delaying their inevitable demise Satoshi designs a Bitcoin super organism to survive the great filter and to resist corruption this lofty goal kick started an evolutionary path. Bitcoin from all the other cryptocurrencies and quote blockchain projects Does this mean Bitcoin is guaranteed to survive the great filter? Not necessarily it's impossible to know until the day It suffers a coordinated attack by a state level actor. However, Bitcoin is the only existing cryptocurrency that stands a chance. Let's explore some positive Trends in Bitcoins survivability toolbox. Bitcoin is unregulated oil. No one person or entity in charge code is Free Speech. Each country has their own Computing jurisdiction. Game Theory protects Bitcoin from a global coordinated attack nation states compete with each other unlikely to see top Nations cooperate if the u.s. Bands Bitcoin China has incentive to adopt Nations not benefiting from the current USD regime have incentive to adopt BTC. Bitcoins proof-of-work protects the Ledger with an energy Shield by anchoring Bitcoin to real economic value or energy. The only way to change the Ledger is to quote redo all the work AKA spend the same amount of money in the form of electricity. Hat tip to Dan held Bitcoin inspires a religious fervor from its supporters ideologically motivated hardliners act as an immune system surviving the scaling Wars New York agreement and segue to X demonstrates. This bitcoiners quote provide cover fire until Bitcoin gets through the door at tip to the Bitcoin Sign Guy. Bitcoin can Route Around ISP censorship Bitcoin has a growing network of alternatives to the mainstream internet mesh networks Ham radios and satellites, maybe even routing transactions through a mycelial network, theoretically possible. Bitcoin is an idea ideas are Eternal Bitcoin spreads like a mind virus, even if somehow the current form was killed the idea will live forever quote this snow crash thing. Is it a virus a drug or a religion Juanita shrugs? What's the difference? Hat tip to Neal Stephenson? Bitcoins privacy improvements reduce taxability coins and other privacy technologies will minimize the ability for governments to attack Bitcoin through predatory tax legislation. Thank you Wasabi wallet and Samurai wallet. Bitcoin minimizes the ability to cheat Bitcoin doesn't rely on trust think can't be changed instead of trusting that a system won't be changed Bitcoin recognizes leaders formalized governance and concentration of power as attack vectors. Waiting to be exploited. nation states underestimate Bitcoin this buys time for Bitcoin to get stronger and harder to kill the hegemonic banking system is digging their own grave with shovels made of 100% pure hubris. If only we had a back-up plan. So far, we haven't seen any serious state level attack on bitcoin. However, if Bitcoin continues to absorb value, there is an incentive to attack it in the future. We'll call this period in Bitcoins life the Great Piece. Alternative Game Theory honey badger lives here. Big one only needs to convince a few super powers that the reward of adopting it outweighs the risk of attacking it. This game theory is similar to having a sign in front of your house that says security system installed or big Angry Dog lives here doesn't matter. If you actually have a dog or security system the threat alone acts like a deterrent to would-be attackers Bitcoin has a sign in the front yard that says beware of honey badger. This sign reminds nation states that they cannot easily. You kill Bitcoin. If nation-states attempt to destroy their monetary competition, they'll highlight the very need for Bitcoin in the first place and yet the longer they wait the stronger Bitcoin becomes. The blockchain industry is a red herring. First it's important to understand that blockchain errs stable coiners security token heiser's and corporate chain errs. Do not compete with Bitcoin. They taxonomically branched off and are attempting to satisfy a separate Niche by and large the blockchain industry is a red herring leading businesses and governments to false conclusions. It serves as a distraction and unwillingly. Cover fire for Bitcoin does that mean we should shun the blockchain errs know they simply mistake blockchain hype the mushroom for Bitcoin the mycelial network. We should first attempt to educate them as most people were not born bitcoiners that being said deliberate scammers deserve to be flamed. How the blockchain industry helps Bitcoin? Blockchain errs tie up government resources train future developers confuse incumbent businesses and lull banksters to sleep Banks like JP Morgan will train hundreds of blockchain developers. Eventually, they'll discover Bitcoin and say goodbye to boring Bank coin and instead joined the peaceful Revolution JP Morgan is funding their own demise. How poetic Zuckerberg will soon put a crypto wallet in everyone's pocket instead of competing with Bitcoin Zack bucks may actually attempt to compete with US dollar either way, it gets people comfortable with an on state money on their phone similar to WeChat and alipay, the first widespread censorship of Zach bucks will nicely demonstrate the need for Bitcoin in the first place. Blockchain errs and scammers claim Bitcoin is old and can't scale its beanie babies in my space. They paint Bitcoin as a friendly but limited use fungus that brought us the blockchain quote-unquote while the blockchain Zeitgeist chases their tail Bitcoin is quietly growing underground fusing with the roots of the Legacy Finance system building resilience recruiting volunteers infecting curious minds like a Two steps mushroom and preparing for the great filter if we're lucky block Changers will distract Global superpowers just long enough for Bitcoin to become too big to fail. Let's wrap up. Did you enjoy part 3 part 4 is coming out soon where we will explore Bitcoin as a catalyst for human evolution. Here's part one and two in case you missed them part 4 teaser. Let's assume Bitcoin fulfills. Its Destiny as the global monetary base. What are the effects of unleashing a globally accessible technologically advanced open ideal money? Bitcoin enables Humanity to reach the heavens Bitcoin is space money Bitcoin is the Renaissance follow me here on medium and Twitter to be notified when part 4 is released. Come say hello on Twitter my DMs are open. Thanks for reading Brandon. all right, and he has a he has a list of acknowledgements for Nick Carter GG Robert Breedlove and Danielle diamond for reviewing earlier drafts of this piece and also has a number of suggestions on apparently people have been asking for resources about you know more on the whole mushroom and fungi topic and I links to the Paul stamets on Joe Rogan's podcast, which is a really It went actually have listened to that one and his Ted Talk and a couple of other couple of links here. So definitely go check out the actual article so that you can explore this further. There are actually a number of other links kind of spaced throughout the mix to kind of dive a little bit deeper into the topic and I definitely encourage it because this is this is one of those metaphors that I really really love just because it's a fascinating thing to explore and There's definitely a degree of Truth in it. Like it sounds absurd on its face. I feel like that because of the the natural tendency to think about an organ like how we think about an organism. In fact fungus in just kind of a general sense is rather bizarre on the whole scale of organisms. So it's it's really hard to understand that people. Might be parts of another Network another system that could be described as or properly mimic the kind of behaviors and the characteristics of something that is an organism of its own. In fact, like you could almost argue that the economy itself is a large part of that. I mean think about the in credit like the huge amounts of complexity and the Various roles that are played in society versus like for cells in the human body. I mean the analogies are just go on and on like it's like the idea of a multicellular organism is that cells have essentially established themselves in certain roles and that they cooperate to build something that is a joint goal or end. It is trying to be met. Ed but like our roads our our our internet like like we have we have mental networks around the world that communicate just like we have nerves and communication networks within our bodies. We have we have like roads and systems to ship and get resources. We have a response system. I'm just like we have a chemical response system that tells our Body where resources are needed like which which muscles are burning the most energy and how to distribute to those. We have a price system that allows us to distribute resources to where they're needed in the economy to where they are like so that part of the economic body does not deteriorate or fall away and like the the analogies are endless like we could you could just keep going on and on and the fact that humans. Work together like everything that we know of as life in the normal idea of being human is deeply rooted in Social organization. We cannot get around working with each other like the ability to be self-sustaining is with our technology is actually possible but it is impossible without the benefits of the technology, which is US relying on thousands of years of development and innovation. And work of other people so it is still relying like just my very nature that I can go buy a hammer means that I didn't have to do the work to figure out how to build construct find the resources and all of that stuff for that hammer. I am greatly benefiting from thousands of years of a manufacturing improvements and Innovations and efficiency. And in the varying resources that you can make a hammer out of so that you can get one now today for like five bucks that we'll do a decent job for cheap Hammer, you know, so one could argue that we as individual humans without the body without the economy cannot survive really any better than a cell can without being part of the human body and like maybe they're there is obviously a degree there. But when we talk about like like are spread over the over the planet like the only He's in we can have as many cells as many individuals as we have now is because we have our we can produce even though we are unhealthy at the moment. We can produce a healthy body in order to have a thriving culture of cells a thriving network of cells working together of individuals. The the world could never ever sustained 7 or 8 billion people. People without an efficient economic system like mean you're not even close but in that sense. When you start fleshing out this thing as like maybe we are creating. And maybe we are a part of something bigger. That's real. That's that like even though it seems absurd on its face and it's hard to it's hard to accept something that sounds like crazy because it's very easy for us to see from an individual's individualistic stance and just the nature of trying to imagine the economy is almost laughable like you can't even the scope of even like a large city is hard to imagine. I mean not It's impossible that you can't possibly like I constantly in the Raleigh-Durham like triangle area. I'm constantly Blown Away how big this is how much activity there is how many the scope of just the varying things that go on in this area is something that is impossible to put entirely together like no one can hold all of that activity or understand exactly what's going on. Or all the ins and outs of the economic needs in this area 100% like nobody can possibly imagine the amount of knowledge and information and activity that goes on it's just it's just not even close. But when you start looking at something like Bitcoin Bitcoin in a sense if if we're talking about like higher-order organisms where Um, like where we create these networks, like fungal networks where the all the individual pieces of the fungus are Standalone like you can you know, you can split a fungal Network in half and it still behave it just becomes two networks. And that's when you start to realize that all of the things are simply the individual pieces of this system are simply cooperating to best achieve the ends that's best for each of the individual pieces that life may be easier or better understood as a an abstraction of incredible complexity into a more simplified category like into it something that's simpler to understand and I actually think this imagery this this frame of reference makes it easier to And the idea of the role that ideas play in our economy. And when you have an institution that parasitic to the economy something like our government and financial institutions and the idea of Bitcoin as an antivirus is just fascinating to think about because it is a new set of incentives. It is a it is something that changes the underlying processes that essentially destroys the environment with with which that parasite can survive. It is only when the environment allows the behaviors to take place when there is no defense against an attack a particular attack vector and that's the whole idea is like you when you think about this in like a terms of like Game Theory like any kind of attack Vector is just it's not a question of does it? it exploited as a question of when and massive monopolistic like Financial controls the manipulation of the economic mechanism itself of the pricing structure in order to benefit one institution at the cost of everyone else is an attack Vector that has been exploited by every government since government was a thing and and it's the reason I mean, it's the same story over and over again. And we see the stage is set. I mean just lays out the last ditch effort of negative interest rates. I mean the absolute the fact that this is just kind of being done with like hardly any consideration like nobody is Like the fact that nobody is freaking out about this. I mean granted people are freaking out. There's a lot of people particularly in the Bitcoin space, but this is just kind of business as usual for the mainstream media and the like kind of the current and every regime that this the entire modern Financial system is headed into negative interest rate territory. This has never happened before in human history and it's just like, oh, well, it's obviously this is just the next step. That's how we're going to boost the economy. We're going to bring everything back into good and everything's going to be great. You know, it's absolutely absurd. It's so absurd that it's hard to believe someone can speak about it with a straight face. Negative interest rates there that they are going to consume resources and charge the people who have made an earned the resources for the right to for them to consume it that is what a negative interest rate means. I'm going to consume someone else's resources. I am going to EE be a parasite first. I'm going to take your resources for through the manipulation of a monetary mechanism. I'm not going to Why'd you those same resources or those that same value in return which is what monies job actually is and what the role of the economy is to do so that our organism that we are fueling here does not die due to a parasite or a cancer. And they are being that cancer and making the environment available to profit in that way. So they're doing that and then they're charging a negative interest rate on it. Then they're saying we're then going to charge you for the fact that we have taken your resources, and it's just Oh, it's so painful. And we need an anti-virus so bad. It's solution to this could not be more critical like this will kill the organism. In fact, I'm not a hundred percent sure if there's any way to save it. It's just that we have to shed the shell of our old one and build a new one in its place. Which is what Bitcoin is doing Bitcoin is like a better DNA. It's like a better protocol. It's a it's a signaling mechanism like so if we think of the price system as a signaling mechanism to determine where resources are needed and to make sure that we're not feeding cancers that were not feeding parasites and instead. We're keeping a healthy Lively organism alive that we can all benefit from, you know, being a part of That's the purpose of the price mechanism just like chemical mechanisms to tell us where to take resources till cells were to take resources in our body. Then Bitcoin is a protocol. Well when we talk about like government in the modern financial banking system is a parasite A system that is able to manipulate those chemical signals to direct all the resources to them to grow like a cancer and continue to suck up more and more of the resources until they a kill the body for their own benefit and basically make the entire body work in order to fuel the cancer instead of making the body healthy and honestly, that's basically where we are. In fact, that's a pretty damn good analogy. It works in a lot of different ways and exposes exactly what the fraud of the financial system is and shows why it gets so massive and so bloated and To think it runs the world because it's it's manipulating the chemical system to direct all resources toward it and its goals as opposed to those who are actually contributing in making the resources and earning the value that's been confiscated. It's being sent and consumed by the cancer and it's everywhere. It's not that's the thing. Is that this somehow we first have this The first time in history, we've had a truly Global connected economy to any comparable degree, like like trying to compare what we have today versus 300 years ago as far as like a global economy is I mean, there's no comparison. It's it's an entirely different game today and because of that all of our finances all of our even our government systems got deeply deeply interconnected and they began to sort of behave as this one cancer. Opposed to many cancers we ended up with essentially a world one world government with the idea of a dollar Reserve currency and then massive central banks that basically cooperate to enforce the exact same policies because it's sort of in their benefit to work in tandem so that you know, they essentially nobody stands out it like it's like this is just this is normal business. Is this how we do things. But we see we see the consequences of this like it's not it's obvious to everyone that our financial system it obvious to everyone paying attention everyone who is actually looking knows that our entire Financial system are our Global dominant Financial system is on the brink of collapse is unbelievably shaky and based on completely unbanked. And false value essentially fake Assumption of what kind of productivity and actual value is their social structures are breaking down because we're seeing the body is sick the the cancer has gotten out of control. And now the only part of the bodies that are thriving are those that are attached to and helping the cancer everybody else in the real economy. Everyone else trying to respond to actual economic incentives and actually having to earn and do all of the work have nothing. They're struggling. They're in a worse situation. Everybody's in debt. Everybody is on the verge of I mean that statistic that 40% of Americans cannot afford an unexpected $400 expense. That is a sick sick organism our entire economy. Is in shambles that is that is what that means. And if anybody thinks that half nearly half of the American population is is financial situation isn't a result of our monetary system is that the manipulation of prices and interest rates in debts does not affect that is blind they're not paying attention because that is exactly what it affects. It's saying that these people are in debt up to their eyeballs that they can't afford anything that they have all been directed with bad incentives. You know, there are always stupid people who make stupid decisions, but if incentives are aligned half the country half the population does not make the wrong decision because the incentives punish them for the wrong decisions and reward them for the right ones and instead are incentives incentives are reversed and we have been wrongly reward. For bad decisions and irresponsible and sickly things that activities and choices that make our economy sick for decades and decades and the bill is finally coming do but then we enter Bitcoin and Bitcoin is a correction to those incentives Bitcoin is actually a it's the equivalent of as far as like a difference in the incentives. It's it's the equivalent of like not slowly, you know, dipping your toe in the water and then getting up to your knees and then you know sitting down on the step and then working your way into the pool. It's literally jumping out of a helicopter into the ocean. It is full on 100% No questions asked this is the this is real economic incentives. And this is real sound money and it cleans the chemical the the the signaling mechanism for the resource. Haitian up society and it will drain the Financial Bank of the major Financial system of their resource manipulation and the the cancer will essentially have to turn into healthy tissue or be evacuated from the body essentially and that's why I think it's critically important that we adopt a Bitcoin because otherwise there's no we're just going to all the organisms just going to die and we're gonna have to scramble together to try to put something. Thing in its place because if the organism dies none of us can feed ourselves. Like I can't I can't do this show without somebody else who knows how to make computers that I can communicate with and trade exchange value with think it is the most critical there's nothing I'm and obviously I don't have to have a podcast in order to eat. But just as an example of what is what I'm doing right now. None of it is possible without the help of millions of other people. We none of us are self-sufficient even somebody who lives on their own land and you know lives out with that has a solar power for to power the house and their battery backup. They didn't make the solar panels. They didn't they didn't make the solar cells or the battery backups. They didn't make the the tractor that they're using to farm their land. Like if any of that stuff breaks, they need a economic organism. They need a giant economy with Ian's of people sharing and exchanging value and ideas properly and with good economic signals actual Market incentives in order to keep all of that stuff running, but that's one of the most fascinating things about a monetary crisis is that it's got nothing to do with the machines did all the body parts of this of this economic system are here we can still produce like when you have a monetary collapse, you don't lose the ability to produce shirt. Like the manufacturing plant still just blow up what we lose the ability to communicate. It's as if our language broke down and suddenly none of the words that I am speaking mean the same thing to anyone listening and in that same way the money breaks down and no one can communicate value which simply means the body like in our analogy that the body is unable to regulate itself is unable to regulate its temperature. It's unable to get resources to The body parts that are starving essentially and this what leads this is what leads us because this is a networked organism that we're talking about and we have these protocols these Bitcoin is kind of like the DNA of our value communication or the neural network of our economy. Then we have this great filter and that we have to be able to survive Bitcoin has to survive a nation state level attack. Obviously this goes back to the whole idea of small blocks. It has to work. This has to be able to you know, get across, you know, satellites like it needs to be able to get through every crack in every border. It needs to maintain. Global consensus and be completely censorship resistant no matter what jurisdiction or location. It is in the world. It needs to be ubiquitous everywhere. It is or ubiquitous is not the word Universal. No, it needs to behave the same everywhere. It cannot be that there can be no Geographic or political jurisdiction in which Bitcoin is different than it is everywhere else because that's Only way it becomes a global Haven against this cancer that we're having to deal with this debt and false false signaling mechanism that has thrown the entire economic body out of balance. And this one makes it in like almost inevitable that the cancer is going to fight back because the cancer will die. If it like the Cancer Care is just about asthma is just as much about itself as everybody else cares about themselves and we're talking about adopting a signaling protocol that stops sending resources to the cancer or at least the the largest attack Vector which that cancer is Fondling resources to itself from we're going to cut off 90% of it. So this may be the great filter for Bitcoin is does it survive or for cryptocurrencies in general can it survive the largest adversary that it directly competes with and to some degree? You know, it may be in fact, there's a really good article that I might be covering on the show. I guess now that I'm mentioning I probably will by Jesse Lawler. Who's actually a patron of the show about how he thinks the incentives essentially lays out an argument saying that the incentives actually suggests that there won't be a state-level attack that just the nature of Bitcoin itself will be co-opted and not co-opted in the sense that they're going to I mean anybody would try to control it if they could but that it will actually be in their best interest to adopt it. And that there will no there will be no cohesive government action against it because there will be fighting in the government against from people who were are adopting Bitcoin in people who are seeing it as a threat that because they will not work in concert or they may not be able to work in concert because of the incentives and the essentially the self-interest of the motivation of people and to the the element of the game. The kind of Bitcoin is the Wild Card puts this whole new. It's this whole new player in the game that just changes all of the outcomes and it changes the incentive for everybody else still playing in that game. So I love the idea of Bitcoin as an anti-virus or a anti-cancer drug, or maybe maybe it's better understood as a and evolution of our System a new Evolution because Evolution comes when one thing begins to collapse and you know new ideas spring up and and that's kind of what we have we have we have the evolution of a system that is under incredible strain and pressure that is forcing new ideas to the surface and Bitcoin is that Evolution? It's a new system that is immune to exactly the sickness that our global economy is going through right now. Now that is in immune to the imbalances that we are seeing on a a unbelievable scale today. So if our global economy is an organism and we're asking the doctor for what to do. Our prescription is Bitcoin. And really it's extraordinary that we have this at our disposal that this technology exists in that it came about exactly when it did because it truly truly changes the game. So I hope you guys enjoyed again. This was part 3 of 4. We got space money coming soon and I have little doubt that I'll be covering it on the show that I won't be covering it on the show. And again, this is by Quit mmm, if you have not listened or red Parts 1 and 2, I highly recommend it. I will link to this article where he's got all the links and like I said a number of other ones did dig a little deeper into this concept on his medium post and I will link to I will tag him in Twitter so that you can follow him there as well and I'll drop it's just his name Brandon quidam of qit t-- e-- M. So definitely follow him so you don't miss part. Part 4 and all the other great stuff that he is always working on. All right. Thank you so much for listening. Sorry. I didn't get this one out yesterday. So it's late and I got bit block boom happening. I'll be heading out tomorrow morning. I'm going to still try to get a episode recorded So that y'all have one to listen to tomorrow and I know we've got some really fun stuff coming up next week. 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Our monetary system has confiscated trillions in resources and value by corrupting the very incentives that keep our economy healthy and resilient… in that world, what role does Bitcoin play? Today we read and discuss the fascinating metaphors in Part 3 of Brandon Quittem’s excellent series on the Bitcoin Organism - “Bitcoin is the Antivirus to Uncertainty” https://medium.com/@BrandonQuittem/bitcoin-is-the-antivirus-mushroom-medicine-part-3-4-fd1e6606a3f8 Don’t forget to check out Parts 1 & 2 below, links to the audio as well as the original articles. Bitcoin is a Decentralized Organism: https://medium.com/@BrandonQuittem/bitcoin-is-a-decentralized-organism-mycelium-part-1-3-6ec58cdcfaa6 Part 1 Audio: https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_201---Bitcoin-is-a-Decentralized-Organism---Mycelium-Part-1-e2sarg Bitcoin is a Social Creature: https://medium.com/@BrandonQuittem/bitcoin-is-a-social-creature-mushroom-part-2-3-6a05c3abe8f0 Part 2 Audio: https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_224---Bitcoin-is-a-Social-Creature--Mycelium-Part-2-e3iq3u Follow Brandon Quittem so you don’t miss the incredible work and perspective he contributes to the space: https://twitter.com/bquittem Support the show and help me turn every amazing work of written content on Bitcoin and the Cryptoconomy into audio by becoming a patron!

Hey guys, I'm Whitney. And I'm Kylie. Welcome to the Midwest Farm wives podcast. We are to Millennial Farm wives raising lots of Littles figuring out how to run a good business as with our husbands learning loving and living life day by day and America's Heartland. If you landed here, you can expect uplifting positive real talk about being a farm wife mom and being a woman in agriculture conquering all God gives us we are so excited you're traveling on this.a crowd with us Hello and welcome back to the Midwest Farm wives episode 6 the one where we prepare for extra Grace little recap last episode. We did the 10 bag challenge with our declutter your life episode. And so Kylie, how's your decluttering going? May veeam is so freeing to get rid of stuff. I have I'm proud to say that I donated 6 bags and I've thrown away three and packed away a couple of extra stuff. So I just went through rats room finally and got rid of 3T stuff that hasn't fit for weeks. So I'm excited. Yeah, it's good. We'll still keep doing it because I think I've only made it through half my house, right? I did the upstairs and I'm on bag 9 I'm going to finished in today because I was my goal before we did our next episode but I'm the same way like I had a bunch of stuff like the kids toys how many broken toys can one have in a playroom or just pieces pieces that you don't know. Know where the other half of the toy is. Yeah, so I chucked all that stuff. I donated a couple bags from our closet. I donated a bunch from my kitchen, which I can't believe I had to do that again. I just did that last year. But yeah, I'm kind of a hoarder so same don't feel bad. Yeah. So me since last episode I went to my little brother's K-State game. He got to play so that was super exciting, but he's not little no Huge he's like way taller than me, which is weird which is weird because my parents I mean like you saw the picture we're all like the same height except for him. He's a giant Your whole family's kind at all really. But yeah, when you said little brother, I'm like we should probably say younger because he is a tall kid. Yeah, my younger giant brother. Yeah. But yeah, other than that, we started silage Harvest so I'm back to seasonal single mom life, which is we talk. Yeah, we haven't done a whole lot. I enjoyed watching your footage of your brother like like nothing is more exciting than like a proud family member. We I was trying to think before we got on here what we did. The last two weeks and I'm sure oh we went to the farm progress show. That was a big deal. Oh, yeah. I saw you met some of our friends. Yeah studies. Yes our podcast friends. It was it was really fun. I've never been to a farming trade show. I've been to a lot of hog trade shows. And so this was kind of an eye-opener the guys, you know, oohed and ahhed over the tractors and I'm looking at all kinds of like cool like hats and shirts and all things girly and I was like the pack mule. I carried everybody's stuff will only because they let me come along this year. So that was really exciting. I enjoyed that a lot. You just had a bag full of goodies had like three bags and I had to make a trip back to the truck. So We're going to talk about all things Harvest on this episode because Whitney's already started Harvest and were over here really going like all you know gears on to get the combines ready and go and so Whitney and I have been visiting on the side about all the things that we're doing and prepare for Harvest. So we thought what better way to share that then on episode six truth. So this is just silage Harvest for us, which is all custom and Chop, so I'm not involved in any of that Barton has brother have the salad Chopper and then we have three trucks around her under it. So I'm not involved in any of that unless they need rides or something. That's pretty small. But we will start actual Corn Harvest with our combines in probably three weeks on dry land. So we're close. Yeah. We're in the same boat were real close. Yeah, so then we'll do we'll do corn and that takes us my Lord it takes us forever. Like we'll start and three weeks and we'll probably end close to Thanksgiving is usually how long it goes the goal in a normal year is to get it done for us by Halloween, but we have a grain dryer which we're going to kind of dive into that here pretty quick, but that's are always our goal and this year. It's I mean our beans are all still so green and you just can't cut those until they're completely dried. So yeah, we're going to have an interesting it's going to be really Inviting it's going to be a lot of start and stop and go and stop it. I just think it's going to be it's the pain of plant 19 is going to show it's nasty face and harvest and we're lucky we have a grain dryer. And so that's going to really help us out on the corn side just hand over fist, but it's just going to be a year could be a lot of wait wait and try to find some dry enough which like you said. You have a grain dryer, but still beans keep can you dry beans? I cannot answer that I want to off the top of my head say no. We haven't ever dried beans. I don't think you can I think you can put are on them. Once they get in the bin. So maybe you can that's a question for Jordan. I'll ask and I'll relay the message. Yeah, you'll have to because I don't know anything about beans. So then you do corn and then beans yes will swell. It just depends always it just depends on how we get stuff planted. Well cut corn until it's ready time for beans and then we will stop on corn go cut all our beans because That's more of a crop that you guys have soybeans. No hardly. Anyone around here does I wonder why maybe just the weather? I don't really know that it's one of those crops that like when it's ready to come out it needs to come out because if it gets a lot of extra weather on it, it just gets that you just drop pods and you really lose your yield and so on a normal year we would cut then we'd go cut beans and then we come back to harvest the rest of our corn like maybe It's maybe we get all our corn done before beans but beans always get harvested when they're ready. You take a break if you need to. Yep. Yeah, so so yeah, we Milo really is last there's usually no rush on Milo like the last few years we've had issues with ears dropping off our corn just after the wind and stuff. So then we try to get obviously all that out first because that's like our main crop. So hmm. Yeah as far as how many people helped us with Harvest its Bart. E we have two hired men and then we actually have a third now that Harvest has started and then we actually hire out trucks to haul our stuff because we did penciled it in and it was cheaper like the rights that we're getting for them to Halt and honestly, it's going to take what we have to combines into grain carts. It's going to take four of us to just you know, like keep the fieldwork going. So our one guy will drive one truck and then we just hire the rest done. So that's how that's a good idea. We haven't ever looked. Get into that because we do have quite a few semis in a I think we have three grain trailers, but that is definitely the bottleneck when you have a bumper crop you can get it off the field, you know, you keep improving your combine and your grain car and you may make those bigger capacity at a faster running speed to get all that grain through but then if you can't get it away from the field, there's no use in having all of that power and speed we do the same thing. So we have one combine for corn and then we usually rent a second combine for It's because we like to get it done quick and the lessons that we have learned in this past 365 days is that when you have an opportunity to run you just run like you don't you don't stop for anything really unless it's an emergency or you break down right? No matter what you have to do. You get it done. That's how we were for plant 19. We had like 300 acres left and it was a long ways from our house and we had a friend up there already and Bart's like just do it. I'll hire you get that stuff in the ground before it rains again. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. Yep, and we so we have seven employees total but a couple of those are primarily for the pigs, but we run we run at least five guys in the field all the time. Yeah, I swear man power is like really hard to stay on top up especially around here. There's not a lot of people that really want to work or people do look for day work, but don't want to work as long as we are now the hours are crazy during Harvest. So for any of you listening Are that know what Harvest is but you may not have a full grasp on it. The guys will start especially when you're cutting corn beans. You have to wait till they're dry. Like so you can't start cutting beans until like maybe 10 in the morning when the sun's out and really drying off that do but corn, you know, you could start you could really run all night. If you wanted to we usually start seven eight nine o'clock in the morning and then they run until they get tired. Yeah, that's how we are to and we actually we as the same way you can't start Harvest until Snot humid. It's really dry. So yeah corn were the same way and where I help bark gives me a break that I can get Bodie on the bus at 7:10. And then I usually want to show up till eight because the guys are really helpful and have me fueled and stuff. So that's a huge help because honestly getting kids to the field as like brushing your teeth while eating Oreos it definitely hard. I know how it is. Just taking food to the field. I could not imagine if they were like holding me accountable to run a piece of equipment. Right, and so I admire you so much for all of this and I can't wait to talk about our responsibilities because we're so different and I think my life is hectic and I'm like the home my gosh Whitney your you're just killing it. I know but but don't compare girl. I know I know because there's other people doing crazy things to there are so many different versions of harvest for sure. We one last thing on storage. Do you guys have any grain storage? So we do have bins in our house, but we don't have dryers and when we start Harvest we want to get it out ASAP. So we we do just use the elevators near here because we contract corn and so we just take it and they give us our payment which is legit. Yeah. Yeah. See you just pay them to store it basically for you. And then maybe maybe that's a certain fee a month or something like that until your contract comes. Yeah and So we can just sell it immediately. It's up to us what we do. So yeah, where we have it we have some contracts at like I think the best ones like 395 which isn't really that great in the scheme of things. But so we'll just take it there and they sell immediately to a feedlot. And so yeah, it just it's easier we tried to do our bins one year and it was such a pain in the butt where we didn't have dryers. We had to babysit it to make sure it didn't mold or start on fire or any of that stuff. So it was less. Yeah, just go to town. Down sometimes they are more work than what they're worth. We actually have a lot of grain storage. That's one thing that my in-laws have put in over the years just slow improvements. And so we can we always plan out we go start yield checking and seeing what we're going to be able to hold on farm and then whatever we don't can't hold on Farm. We actually bought a grain bagger. Do you guys have grain bags out there? So there is a bunch of people that have grain bags, but we do not yeah, we bought the bagger and one of our neighbor Farmers has the unloader because you of course you have to have to His of equipment for this one thing but we have on like bumper years use the grain bagger. We don't sell a whole lot right out of the field just because of the efficiency of our guys running our own trucks and then they sit in line and that doesn't make sense for us, but I can see where Contracting and out. It wouldn't be quite as much of a planning issue for you guys. Right and actually where our fields are we are super lucky that we like at ourself fields. We have an elevator. Five miles away and then our next set of fields. We have an elevator to miles away. And so like everywhere fields are there's just elevator super close and we're really lucky that even if there is a line like we have trucks coming back and forth really quickly. Yeah, that's such an interesting thing. Like I love finding out about other people's operations because we don't contract haul anything like if anything we help others and that's so interesting. Yeah. The difference. Yeah, we're so we're so the same but so different let's chat about our responsibilities during Harvest. We've touched on them, but I will go ahead and start and I am a hodgepodge just I do all kinds of anything and everything during Harvest except for really running equipment. I can run the green card. I can you know run a tillage equipment, but Jordans not going to throw me on the grain cart only because my schedule is so unpredictable. Well, as far as the kids go and I don't take them necessarily with me all the time. And so he can't count on me from like eight to he can he can count on me from 8 to 5, but not much after that. So we give those good fun jobs to the guys that do such a good job for us. But I do everything else, you know, as mom's we are doing everything. We normally do so cook clean tend to the house, you know, all summer Whitney and I talked about mowing and you know, waiting our yards and stuff. So we still To do all of that because it's still warm enough to have green grass and it's still warm enough and you always have Dirty Toilets and dirty dishes and all that stuff. So we do all that stuff like normal, but then on top of that my responsibility is Spill bookkeeping billing we have to keep all of our grain tickets separate. We have a set of skills that are Granary and so one advantage and I guess disadvantage is extra record-keeping for having all of those grain bins because so we have to know who's grain goes in what and this year. We have a lot of 50/50 ground. So we're going to be putting 50% of our grain and 50% of their grain in the same bin and then when it gets sold and there's just a lot of record-keeping so I'll be helping with that. But then we also one of my job's is to basically take Jordan supper every night and that's kind of a job in itself. Yeah for sure. So do you guys have your this is a little off subject there. Do you guys have your own scale house? We do that makes it handy. Yeah, we do. We put it in primarily put in like four years ago and it was for our hog truck and it's a certified set of scales so that when we came back by to take our Hogs up to Iowa, we weren't it just made sense. The way the route was plus then we get the added benefit of doing running fertilizer and corn and beans all over it. And so it's really been a huge benefit to our farm. Yeah. My in-laws added one at their place to just for the cattle stuff and it really I think it changes our operation to be Because they do have bends and they utilize at their place. So that's good. Yep. Livestock kind of makes you get those skills and then you just use it for everything else. Yeah. Yeah, one of those things that you get to write off that really everyone uses it. Yep. So I'm the same way. I still have to do all the house chores The Domestic Goddess stuff that we just all love so much but I am in the grain cart. So I let Bodie get on the bus at 7:10 and then Will most likely head to the field by 8 and then we pick until we can't pick any more. I mean nine is usually a pretty common but where we will have a truck driver borrow is has the last truck driver whatever take over for me. And so then I can leave like an hour or so earlier to get the kids to bed. And so that's that's really handy. The biggest adjustment for us is going to be this year. I have to get off to come get Bodie from the house because the The bus will bring him here. And so I'll have to like find a stopping point to come and get him and rushed back. He has had to learn that when it hits eight o'clock in the combine with his dad like no matter what he has to lay down and try to go to sleep because otherwise we had I mean when he started preschool was really hard for him because we would like pick till 9:30 or 10 and he'd be so tired the next day and I'd feel terrible. And so we finally we made the rule that no matter where we are at eight o'clock. You have got to lay down whether it's in the pickup the And whatever and so we really had to implement that to make it to where he could still go to school and be worth a dang. Yes, which is our lifestyle. So and I will say that I run the grain cart mainly because I want to I really want to Bart does not make me in any way for those of you that think that this is crazy I do with kids but it saves us so much money. Like I think I figured one time that between all three harvests it prices us like 18 to 20 grand to have me run it. And then I mean, that's a big deal. Oh, yeah, and it's that's if you can find someone to just work part-time. So we struggle with that around here is to find a reliable part-time person who knows your operation who understands Harvest who understands the equipment so we actually only ever use full-time employees. And so if you think of it that way if we were to use someone just for Harvest and hire them we have to find things for them to do throughout the year now Granite were always busy there's always stuff to do but for us financially we use our When we just use full-time employees because difficult process and honestly sometimes in the winter or at least here anyway, there's not much for for guys to be doing. So, we're lucky that a couple of those guys are just mainly Harvest help and they have day jobs like their own day job so they can leave to come and do Harvest with us and then it still works out. So that's good that they can do that. And as far as meals we don't and and wheat Harvest we do because it's so light out you go longer. And so we do have someone bring us meals. I obviously can't do it cause I'm in the field with them. Yeah, but I for sure hit up a crock pot every morning before I leave. There's a roaster steaks or something in a Crock-Pot. So when we get home, it's not hectic to find something to eat. Yeah, so you just eat when you guys all get home. Yeah, but I do keep a ton of snacks in my pickup like crackers granola bars all that stuff just in case the kids get hungry before we make it home for supper. Yeah. I will say the snacks are not always the healthiest but who gives a dang right I have in my notes like have snacks, but they don't always have to be healthy. I was just going to add that because sometimes a sucker will just save your whole day. Yeah, and honestly some the days that I don't have time to get a Crockpot meal. It's like hot dogs and chicken nuggets for life at home. No shame. No, it's something quick and easy and then we go to bed. We make a Sam's run before we start fall work or like a Costco or any of your big stores and we will get you know, travel size chip bags will get a bunch of deli meat. And so Jordan always gets deli meat sandwiches during Harvest because going bringing lunch unless maybe I'm at work and I have the ability to run in food. Otherwise, we don't we don't make it out of the house twice with kids. So it's either I'm going to bring you a good lunch and not suffer and your have to the deli sandwich for supper or we're going to take supper and we're lucky we Farm in about a 30-mile radius of the house. So Nothing like the you know three hours away or anything like that, but it's always cold sandwiches for lunch make it easy. I like to eat cold-cut sandwich has myself. So don't be hard on yourself. If you're a wife and you're like I have to fix my husband something wonderful for lunch supper and breakfast and you know, give yourself a little Grace. Let's be real give him a cold-cut sandwich and some chips and some carrots and ranch and he'll be fine. Yeah for sure and if you women make your husband's breakfast girl, go girl go because I don't no me either like Jordan gets up. He's am not a morning person, but he gets up just in time to leave for work. So I'm definitely not going to fix go out of my way to fix him him breakfast. He'll be fine. One other thing that we do I do try to make Jordan as many meals in the evening as I can and as I'm able to but I do use I really like it when it starts to get cold because we do things like we use a Crock-Pot like a thousand times and it's chicken and noodles and roast. Doesn't carrots or chili spaghetti and those things are kind of hard to eat on the go because we don't stop for meals in the field. Like we don't expect we don't stop because we don't expect our guys to stop they don't want to stop. I mean they'd rather spend that 30 minutes working and getting off 30 minutes maybe earlier rather than like eating and eating so when progress stops, I mean, that's a big deal. We don't stop either it just stops. Yeah, you don't once you stop one machine year everything else flows down to So we use lots of those like semi cut to-go containers, which I'm buy new ones this year because I kept buying the cheap ones the like take out that has the sectioned off where you can put like your spaghetti and your green beans in it. Right are they like throw away? They are not throw away like you would wash them but they get nasty and I've got to stop start making Jordan throw out his extras in the field because there's nothing worse than getting the next day getting a bag of food. That's got like leftover. And it oh the smell is so sour and like I have to clean it out. No, thank you. Clean your own food out of your own pan and then bring it to me like at least empty if it's dirty, that's fine. But empty right one time actually a couple times like I've gotten Bart sprayer to take his trash out and stuff and I found my like Tupperware and I'm like, nope. I don't even remember the last time you took this so it's going in the trash. I don't I don't do smells. So I'm also the mom that if I find a sippy cup with milk, and I don't know how long ago was it goes in the trash as well? Absolutely. I'm so ashamed to say that I'm the same way because I feel like why can I not just bleach that and make it better but it's like disgustingly nasty and I used to be a waitress and I had no problem taking a stranger's Fork off of their plate by what they ate it with like a busser. I had no problem just like pick go pick go pick go and move on and maybe that's because someone was paying me but my own food my husband's my kids. Gross. Yeah, and the lids are like what gets me like hoof. Those hurdles clean your food out. Yeah, for sure. We have I know there's a lot of harvest moms and wives out there. I actually have a ton of farm friends like even outside of Instagram. I have like real life friends that I visit with and they take Harvest meals for their whole crew. And I think that is like insane the impressive we do not put that pressure on ourselves. Here are guys bring their own food from home or we even like their wives might come out and bring them out them a hot meal. In the evening, but we do try to take myself. I've kind of started working on this and maybe it's just a few pizzas. I try to take out like on a Thursday or Friday toward the end of the week when I know we're going to go into the weekend, maybe takeout pizza or chicken and noodles or Dairy Queen cause we have like a really bomb Dairy Queen in our town, right? Yeah. And so heart we Harvest we do do that. That's just I don't know why but when I started dating Bart, that's what his family did and so then we've just carried that tradition on but Corn Harvest weed. Do not provide any meals. Well, let's chat back to some more like nitty-gritty stuff. How do we keep our sanity during Harvest because physically mentally the strain of harvest it's it's a lot. It's a lot for the farmer. It's a lot for us as Farm wives and also as farmers and then it's also a lot as a family Dynamic it puts a lot of like heavy. I love Harvest because you're you're harvesting. You know, what you worked for. Year, but in the same breath. I'm always so happy when it's over. Yeah, for sure. It's it's hard on kids to I mean my kids are in the field and they still miss their dad and stuff. Yeah, but but I will say as far as being on a schedule try to be flexible during Harvest because you'll go insane if you're trying to be super strict and I don't I try to I was trying to be a yes Mom during Harvest because I don't argue with me. My kids any more than I have to and I don't wanna lose my cool. So I just try not to sweat the small stuff. Yeah, I like that a lot because you do there's going to be a lot of things in your normal day-to-day, even if you're not in the field working like me not working in the field. There's still a lot of stuff that we don't do normally during Harvest that we have to do during Harvest because that's just how we have to get by so I agree flexible schedule 100% I like to plan you guys know me. This is episode 6 Guys know that I like to have a plan so it may not go right. It may not work. But I like to plan the next day at least the night before and really if I'm lucky I like to plan like five days out. So okay. We're going to be doing Corn Harvest this whole week but we have to stop because we have a meeting here here and here and that means I'm going to try to take meals out early this night and this night, you know, there's just got to be a schedule or a plan of some sort for my personal sanity and it may all go Go horribly wrong. I have to ask how does Jordan feel about your planning OCD he thinks I'm like want to control his whole life, which is not true. I just want to know so often get Jordan on the podcast some time. He loved to be like Kylie is such a crazy psycho woman because honestly, I don't even know what I'm going to do this afternoon. We're just Whitney boys, aren't we we are and that's okay it is. Okay provide watched. Other yeah, for sure because if it's going to rain, you know that you get time at home. Yeah, you know, you're going to be home, or maybe if it if it doesn't rain, you know, you're going to work longer you can make other plans for your kids or something or you can all go ride of an evening. I actually like Harvest sometimes I liked taking meals to the field because it carves out some of that time that I was going to have to spend alone with the kids and you know that gets that's fine. People are like, oh you're spending time with your kids look. Do you do da well, that's fine. Okay, but when you're doing that and it's like week for and it's been you've seen your significant other like for all of 24 hours that whole time besides sleeping, right? You know that gets a lot that gets to be a lot. So taking that hour and a half to make that round trip of delivering food. The kids. Don't mind it. I don't mind it and then by the time we get back home, it's like bath time bedtime and then you can sit down and relax. He's to yourself. Ha so from my standpoint. I will say don't ever expect anything to be perfect for me and Bart. I'm going to say this because I know there's other women out there in the field. It gets very stressful in the tensions can get really high because you're with each other all day and like anyone that runs a grain cart will agree that sometimes you get looks and you're supposed to know what they're telling you by like how their hand signals signaling or Like giving you this face and it's like I have no idea what you want. I have no idea what you're saying to me. And so like Bart can be really short-tempered and impatient and like can get upset easily and I almost have to like be the mediator to our own fight because I need to make sure we don't get a huge argument like in the first day of harvest. So we Harvest we had like a giant fight one day and then the next day I'm like look we can't do this. We have to get along use your radio next time like Have them for a reason. I don't know what all these hand signals mean. So just tell me please. I like that's all he needed was like me to tell him please just tell me what you want instead of expecting stuff be clearer. Yeah, I only know one hand signal and it involves your third finger on your hand. So if it's not that one, I'm not going to understand. Yeah and Trust I've given those a few times so and then another thing is the stress from breakdowns and like when your crops aren't doing As well as you expected or you know anything that can go wrong. It makes the stress and levels of worry and emotions like Skyrocket. So you're just going to have to always like woosah. Take some deep breaths and try to be a patient optimistic person as much as you can. Yeah, just remember what's going on in your life because it's so is sometimes it feels like you're in this cycle and you don't get out of it. Like there's never a down time. I feel that way this summer we've plant was He had a very short summer. And here we are getting gearing up to go again. And I just have to remind myself always. Okay, like it's harvest it will not always be like this like it's just a season. It's not the rest of your life just a season and it actually is rest of our life because we married into it but we do get a lot not a whole year I should say it's a season not the rest of the year. Yeah. Yeah have to you have to involve Harvest for how long and then you could have winter yet, which that's kind of more the plan. I'm talking about like I just To know like give me just a heads up like do we got 20 days left or because I'm a certain Market on my calendar Jordan X the next day next day. I survived another day of harvest true the let's chat hacks on harvest with young kids because that's a tough one. Once your kids can wipe your their own butts and can like entertain themselves and their rooms. I think things might change a little bit or maybe stay home by themselves, but when you got kids six and under at least six and under A life can get really really crazy. Yeah it can for sure. So for me in the grain cart huge hacks for me. Are we take a Doodle Pad? It's called like a doodle board and you can get that on Amazon. That's super handy. We take Alpha Bots. Where's Waldo books? Small Ziplocs have Legos. I do take oils with me. I take some peace and calming lavender all that good stuff for like different things to settle us down or whatever a high chair. Are obviously because Rowdy can't really set up in the bouncing pillows and blankets and snacks are obviously a must for every single kid so they can get comfy. Just wait. Yeah Rowdy will be moving around before you know it I know he's crawling now, so it's going to be for real when heartless starts are I'm off to strap him in the high chair. A schedule is huge for me. When I am in Harvest because I am the type of person that wants not Perfection but I want tidy and I want my yard to be mowed and we'll all the things so I can get like a huge anxiety attack if I don't have a schedule and make myself just do a few things a day to keep on top but not lose complete control of our home in our yard. So yeah, those are big things for me what you got I only could come up with Three, but I know in like six weeks I'll be making a list of like this is all the stuff that I'm currently doing that I could share with everyone lots of crafts. Even when I'm home with the kids by myself. We do crafty things because you can only you could only play outside for so long for so you can only do some of the things that you do normally and so we like those like colorless markers that are white like they don't mark on anything. We like books like that both of my kids love that right now dry erase markers and a board colored pencils. And we're not really ever use markers yet. We're not to that stage yet. But anything crafty that my kids like to use glitter glue and that's only on rare occasions that we allow them to do that but you can take some of that stuff to the field with you in the car or you know, those are ideas for even when you're just trying to pass time until you know bedtime for sure if you don't have well you could have TV because we do have TV, but I would advise if you have the extra money to spend subscribe to like a movie streaming Network or something that you can put on something that you choose for your kids to watch. So I would much rather have my kids watch Frozen or maybe an educational TV. I we like I mean, we love Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. I'm not sure how educational that is, but it's very PG and like uplifting happy. And of course, I can't think of any other cartoons Bubble Guppies T-Mobile to me. Yes, all that. Okay, so we would rather I would rather have the kids watch, you know, half an hour or an hour of that. A movie then watch PJ masks. And if you have young kids you get it like PJ masks is like the end all I'm like thinking of the theme song in my brain right now and they're like Peppa Pig. No. Yeah, we like pigs but we don't like Peppa Pig. No. No, I'm the same way educational is like I don't want my kids to be zombies as my issue. I don't want their brains to be like mush from watching stupid stuff. Yeah. My last tip is stuck your pantry which we chatted about that. During mealtime like get good bad all the snacks but like snacks my kids like to use the word snack a ton. So whatever you think you need by it fruit snacks graham crackers bananas, like just make sure you're fully stacked on snacks that well-stocked on snacks. It's a lot of s. Yeah. Yeah, you'll be fine because it don't just make sure it's not just in your pantry like take a bag for the car. Yes for sure. Always a bag of snacks. So just know the timeline of harvest we have hopped around all over this podcast, but I think we're going to be able to offer you guys just some preparation and maybe in a couple of episodes will do another like heat of the podcast, you know, he'd of harvest podcast because we're just four for seeing some of the things that we've done in the past of what's going to happen this year because we're just not there yet, but maybe by listening to this you'll be able to take a few tips and tricks and make your life just a little bit easier. During this crazy hectic time. Yeah, and for sure like every year as your kids grow or as things change on the farm. I feel like every season you almost have to relearn what works for you because the I mean just from last year things are going to be so different for me and the tractor you just have to work do what works for you best because everything is going to change every year. Yeah last year. You were pregnant. Yeah. Oh my God. I'm so glad I'm not pregnant this year. I'd wear like a belly band to keep my stomach from bouncing so hard Oh, it was miserable but got to do what you got to do. Absolutely pray to God for patience and Grace be the supporter that you're tired husband needs just you know understand the time that you have until Harvest ins like enjoy it while it's there. But, you know just know exactly, you know know how long it's going to be. Yeah and be grateful that you have a crop to harvest and that you're able to do what you are doing. Yeah, think of those I had a girl message me and I said, oh I'm so jealous. You're in Corn Harvest. Like I can't wait till we get in Corn Harvest even though you know, I'm sitting here saying it's crazy. But I do enjoy Harvest time. It's my favorite time of the year. And she said yeah, we're racing to get crops out before Dorian the hurricane hits and I'm like my heart hurt for her because I could not imagine, you know, they're not going to get it all out. No or like I've heard of people having freeze warnings already like Bueller still trying to cut we I can't imagine that either. Oh, yeah. We don't need a frost down here either because our soybeans are still maturing. And like when that comes it shuts it down. Yeah for sure. So just gratitude attitude per usual absolutely and you know drink an extra glass of wine like give yourself like it's okay at the end of the day you get your kids to bed grab wine or if you're like Whitney and I grab a cold beer. Yeah, and and just remember that you're not alone. No matter how overwhelmed crazy lonely sad or frustrated you may feel because I'm telling you Kylie and I feel it. I know millions of other Our wives and ladies that are at home, even if they're not a farmer that are at home doing the single season on Mom stuff alone, like everyone feels it don't feel alone for sure. Greed. Do not let the comparison game during Harvest get in your brain. No, like look how different Kylie and I are and it's okay to be that way. Uh-huh. Yep mad respect for you. Yep, I agree. So we end every podcast with a quote. So Kyle, he's got it when life. Gets hectic and you feel overwhelmed take a moment to focus on the people and the things you are most grateful for when you have an attitude of gratitude frustrating troubles will fall Wayside and remember things could always be worse Whitney. I'm going to send it back over to you and your interview with our guests Leslie Kelly also known as high heels and canola fields on her take on Harvest Life. Okay, great. Okay, so we are here with Leslie. Kelly also known as high heels on canola Fields. She is a mom Farm wife Farm her she is a co-host of what the farm podcast with Rob Sharkey. She's a blogger and the co-founder of do Morag. Welcome Leslie. Hi. Thank you for having me. Yes. Thank you so much for talking with us. So Leslie is in the thick of harvest right now with her family. Sharon and so we thought she would be perfect for this podcast today. Yeah, we started what slate for us. We started about a couple weeks ago and we've only gotten two quarters done two quarters of lentils. It has been slow but hopefully the Sun comes out the rain states away, right? So as is that all you have left to harvest now as lentils know we put two quarters of lentils in so we still have Peas canola wheat Durham flax oats and barley left. You guys have a lot of different stuff. We do. We are very diverse defied it fits well with our Agronomy or crop rotation or marketing plan and it works really well for us. You have to have what you know space to hold all of that and we do have lots of Bags to but ya know it works for us. That's awesome. So we're going to ask you or I'm going to ask you Kyle. He's not with us, but I'm going to ask you a few questions and hopefully you can just give us some advice as Farm wife to farm wife and other Farm wives. Sure the first one I have is how do you cope with the Harvest stress? Oh, I would say probably one one day at a time. Take it one day at a time my expectations change during Harvest where even a five minute shower and clean clothes is amazing. Right sure my family and I deal with you know, the essentially like everything farm stress-related when it comes to harvest is we actually sit down prior to harvest. We have a family meeting and Talk about each other's lives and each others worlds so he can better understand, you know, it might be a stressful time for my brother or for Matt and I and then it's a way for us to just to see how we can help each other and then it's also the notion that we're in this together and then we celebrate you all the small the small wins. We made game plans, you know for meals or when things need to be swamped and it just it helps us. Focus and focus on family. Yeah, that's that's really good advice the communication see Bart and I it's just us so it's obviously just him and I that need to talk but for a family farm that is a very very good idea. That's a great piece almost to ensure that we're all on the same page because that's where they're you know, the breakdowns happen but communication breakdowns and also literally couldn't break. But yeah just helps to reinforce that no one is alone in this. We're all in it together, right? Gives you a chance to respect each other and what you have going on in your own families. Okay. So the next question is what is the toughest thing you face during Harvest? Oh, I would say just the lawn like it is a long season. It's long days even longer nights and it gets lonely. I would say almost for everyone whether it's me with the kids running around with them or it's my husband and my Dad and my brother sitting by themselves in a tractor cab. So I think that is probably one of the hardest things is it's long and it's lonely right and it's that way for everyone. I like how you said that hmm because yesterday I mean it's hard on them to not see the kids or their wives as well exactly. Like they miss sports activities and birthdays and homework and just the everyday aspects of life and that in itself is really hard. Then for us for me I missed the extra ham they extra support even someone just to talk to about you know the day because sometimes it's not conducive to phone maths on the phone like on the phone and talk about, you know the day for 30 minutes. It's and then when he comes home, I'm usually in bed. So yeah, it's we try to have those small wins during during those lonely times, right and Kylie Kylie and I have talked about this before. I just told her once that even for like BART to be her around bedtime to get the milk for the kids. Like that's such a big deal on such a big help but I don't think the guys realize how much we appreciate that when they are here, but I feel the same way like with what you were saying about the small wins. Yeah Matt he is so amazing to help around the house and when he's not around I definitely feel the the lack of extra hands around just to do even the smallest things. Right right, and you're always Bed when they get home and let's be real who wants to get up and talk. We're the same thing. He usually comes home and I have ai have fallen asleep like trying to stay up and wait for him. I've usually fall asleep with a book on my chest leaning back at all. Right or I'm sitting on the couch and then he's like Whitney. Let's go to bed and I'm like, wait. How long have you been here? Our next question is what is some advice? Ice you can offer other moms wives or any women in ag during their harvest season. Oh advice, I would say first you're not alone. It is a hard and grueling time and it can be lonely. So reach out you have to make the effort to reach out whether that is, you know girls nights and get a sitter ask for help. That's the other notion of the other piece of advice is don't be afraid to ask for help whether it's meals a sitter just for you to have Malone time or a long time to go out in the field and have a date night on the combine or on the tractor that can be essentially like one of the best things that we look forward to in Harvest is spending time with each other on the tractor with without children, but also the children to at times because they like that. Yeah reach out. Don't forget about you. I know with Harvest we push everything else to the side we say we try to do as much for everyone else. But you were just as important and your health your physical health your mental health all that stuff. So make sure you take time for yourself, right? I'm sure that's really good advice. I like that a lot and we're the same way like my niece is oh, she's 12 now and she's really good. She's like, I trust her more than most adults and she'll just text me. Do you want to go ride with Uncle bar? And I'll keep the kids and I'm like, you're such a blessing. It's so good. Yeah. Yeah mini date nights on the town. Tractor on the combine as possible because it is such a it is a really nice time to be together. Right and we all experienced that before were married when you're dating and there's no kids in the picture and then it kind of goes away when you have kids. Yeah, man. I always say you never stop dating. Yep, for sure. That's a really good tip to what is your best life hack or tip for any busy season? Your sitters your best friend out that my best life hack is it it's so cute. But my husband before Harvest he gets me a box of wine all the drinks all the wine and you can easily transport if you have to take meals out to the field, but I would say the best life hack. I don't have something that would make your life easier or you know, a recipe or anything like that. I would say try to have as much fun as possible, you know, those smiles take those moments for yourself and try to have fun dream during the hard season right? Try to be The Optimist. Hmm. Okay, and last question is if you could describe your role during Harvest or on your form and on your farm in one word, what would it be? Who in one word? Yes only one only one. Oh I what comes to mind is the Gopher that is my role. You know you go for parts you go for meals you go for kids you go you go ahead and have to step in and be at the green cart operator a combine driver. I am the Gopher on the farm you do it all do it. All right, right. I might not be the best at it. But I try where I always say, I'm the filling gal. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So for our guests Leslie if they were to find you on social media, where could they look for you? They can find me on high heels and canola Fields.com under high heels and canola fields on Facebook and Instagram and Leslie Ray Kelly are on Twitter. Okay. And as far as your do Morag, you're the co-founder for that. What exactly is that? Can you tell our listeners that yeah do more are culture. It is a foundation. Ian up here in Canada that focuses on supporting and encouraging our farmers in their mental health and mental well-being. So we've found it or we started about a year and a half ago and we're really working towards bringing more resources and more awareness about mental health and agriculture. That is really awesome. That is something that is very under talked and very over. I mean, it's a huge issue that people don't realize yeah, there's not a lot of awareness when it comes to mental health and agriculture. There's Stigma and it's also just you know part of the things that we do everyday on whether it's a ranch or a farm. So trying to get as much support and resources to our Farmers to help help them during those hard times, right? So where can people find that on social media? Yeah, you can find or look for more information at do more Egg and I was mad as walking by you can find more information at do more dot egg and we have a list of Places that you can call or text or email for more support. That's great. And you guys do you have an Instagram page to yes, you can find us on Instagram Facebook and Twitter. Okay. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for interviewing with us today. Yeah, thank you for having me. Yes. We're really happy to have you and we think you're a great inspiration for women and egg. Oh, thank you you guys are too and I love I love the podcast. I listened to the cleaning one. Yes. Day, and you need to up my game while you're in the thick of harvest. We understand we are doing this pre-harvest great while you guys have a wonderful and happy harvest and safe you guys to thank you. Thank you. We sure appreciate all of you listening today. We would love to reach more women in ag. If you would like. Please share our podcast with your friends and let us know what you think. You can also find us on Instagram at Farm wife Guru and at the Grateful Farm wife, be sure to follow or subscribe to the Midwest Farm wives podcast on your favorite podcast streaming app will see you next time and remember every day may not be good. But there is some good in every day. Stay grateful friends.

Hey y'all! Back to single seasonal mom life! In this episode we chat about preparing for harvest. We explain what our roles are during harvest and then we offer some life hacks and tell you a little about our operations during the harvest season. The one thing we want to emphasize is whatever you feel during the harvest season, you are for sure not alone. And please please, don't fall into the comparison game of another farm wife doing something more of less than you. "Its OK for someone to else to do more than you or even less than you and its especially OK for them to do things differently" -farmwifeguru Listener review from apple podcasts- 5 stars! If you are looking for a bright and uplifting podcast to listen to look no further. Whitney and Kylie are two farm wives who keep it real and always look for a silver lining in life. The lessons they have learned from farming are so valuable, that can and should be applied to everyone's life, farmer or not. I love that they don't pretend to be perfect and end each podcast with a positive quote. If you are feeling down, turn on their podcast for a dose of positive energy and encouragement. You wont be disappointed. -Jackie O. As always thanks for listening friends!

Hey guys, welcome to the portals podcast with dr. Alban Casas and anything are we and we pass the Nathan and we faster Tony Cassius will see you soon. bumble Where we blow your boy? Oh my goodness. Pasta you are rebelling again. I said portals. He said it. I heard him out of my right here. Okay, he said it with the deep breath of literally reluctantly, but I said it you said it and he was on key. I was on Kea. Yeah. Okay, I won't even go there. Hello everyone. And this is another episode of portals. I know Potter's of course. I am shinee's and we have dr. Robin Casas. Hello. Hello as the Tony Casas. Hello, everyone and Pastor Nathan Casas your pussy. Oh my goodness. I think they did only know how about if you just say hello. Hello. Hello, right. God blessed to be here. Oh, what a blessed day. It is. Come on, the religions flying everywhere. Well, let's kill it about from that. I'm last portal we had about that Independence that we can kill a lot of religion right now. That's a shark thing that you want to do Joys. Come on bring it in. Don't last thing we said, Choose to do with the straight to the point. Yeah, Tara Babel and the independence benefits there. I think you should bring that point out again. It was so good. And I think it's probably never been discussed in its fullness about in the face of God to you know, they are so good. They used pitch as mortar and cooked bricks, which is first mentioned in in the Bible of like a kiln of clay bricks, but the intention was that if it if the world was to flood again this city and its wall and Tower would be water resistant or waterproof. It was a type of rebellion / independence from God because they all said let us make a name for ourselves. Right? And so the onus was on them and not God anymore. I mean, it's so sad that the human race. Default to this Independence when you know when they're given Freedom, you know, we talked about freedom and freedom was always used by the human race to inflict and to rebel and not to actually go forward with God. So it's very sad. I think they wanted to reach him. Yep, you know touch him reach him. You see call this your man's efforts again wasn't it was but even more than that it Was like, let's be on the same level. Mmm. No, she was nakedness is not transparency. And that was really the transparency really exposes everything inside and out to God and to people oh Jesus, so I'm to yourself. Yeah. So a lot of us are afraid of being transparent because we fear our nakedness inside will be revealed. So we cover our souls with these little lies or these things that you can uses. Yeah a little fig leaves. We got to bring the live audience in on that one. Can they introduce themselves? Yeah. I was about to say your name and put you on blast Independence, but you know what? Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because you guys talked about the independence from being close to God and not just the usual quote-unquote that we hear from is like being from the side of rebellion. Yeah, because in the beginning Inning it was that way it was never as against God. It was more that to be like God and then it went from being like God to being God we start to go to be like God, you know and work with but then eventually with Independence you will end up wanting to be God give you a job. I got a pocket already. He has get them ready because so it's like the enemy takes their desire to want to be like God which is a good desire in the sense of you know, yep, but then it gets skewered and screwed up because we want to be like God but without relationship, you know, it's what it's that. It's that power without the presence, right? And that's when the independence can come in because if we truly want to be like God then God is a god of relationship. He's never independent that even mean. Yeah, so I was always like God you got to had the reflection of God and he's not a solo prophet and he's not a solo person he relies and he uses people and he uses even just the godhead the Trinity, you know, they never work independently from one another. You know, you said that in the last guest imagine just imagine You know when we get to heaven God's going to be jealous because people were worshiping the Holy Spirit not him. No, that's not going to happen. They work together. They the greatest team that ever was there was nothing independent about the godhead hashtag trending. Nothing independent. They were here to make up the will of God. Hashtag got team. So will I say it again? Did you get that? Did you get that past? The Tony just told me to stop he's trying to tell me. A to stop being myself be still I'm not going to be independent. I'm gonna be myself then I'll get all of the fullness of God. Now, we need to Independence button because it's not Independence going on around here in these streets. I can tell you or these churches. Oh, wow. So we picked the subject that could keep us going for a long time. Yeah, but we're not gonna go too long because we're going to take a break and then come right? Hey guys. Want to hear God speak to you personally, then join us here at dipping night. It's every first Monday of the month at 7:30 p.m. To find out more information or to RSVP. You can visit us at dipping night dot torque. And why c.org? Hope to see you there. Will you blow your mind? I had to change it up there. I see we're going to get the other side to hold it. We have a live audience here. They not alive their flesh is burning They're All Dead. Oh you are the portals. Maybe we'll hold it out this time portal. Nice. Thank you. The jazz version. No, no. No, we're not even two Jet's we had a hip hop. Ready? 1 2 3 but yeah, thank you. 92 out do the actual right already. Did the artificial don't have the real your Independence was in? Oh was in full effect you missed your cue. I'm just kidding. Anyway, we're back and of course, we're still talking about this independent Spirit, which has been very interesting because It just has been why because I was about to choke because I was manifesting its deliveries for this reason. Even three times. One, two, three, where we get. All right. Here we go. So any home? Yeah. I I do have a question about this whole independent concept because like say as a parent, okay, Jesus is our father, right and you know when you're raising like a toddler, I don't know from prior experience. Just from you know, having visuals. We are raising a toddler in their learning how to do things on their own, you know, they build confidence in doing it themselves. So for instance, if you tell a toddler like how to tie their shoes or whatever if he's very Advanced, you know, he builds a confidence in a relationship of like learning how to do that by himself. But how is that different from? Kind of being independent from the spirit even though because you were saying how we're still closer to God so saying we heard a word or whatever and then we start going on the route of Independence. How is that kind of different things? Hopefully, I gave a good analogy. I think it what you're doing here is confusing two words from Independence to ended up being an individual. You must never lose your individual hit that shit. Because you're unique. Wow, okay, we're not talking about something that's negative here when you're talking about being an individual God created you to be an individual. He said he before you were formed in your mother's womb. He knew you he knew you personally inch and every one of you he knew you personally so you see he created you so if he Dude you why you trying to take over you can't do what God's already done. You had nothing to do with your creation. Nothing and I hit that baby here and we were talking in the sub portal about and I'm not going to steal it. I'm going to set it up for you. And then you're going to add and we were talking about going to be a supplant know and we were talking about this brings up the truth of the scripture. Which we keep quoting on this portal because the load is emphasizing. No not before you were formed. I knew you and I created you. Yeah, and I called you. So here you're saying aye I mean ownership. Mmm. He's the owner. Yeah. Okay. So when we become an independent person, we are starting to take part of the ownership. Mm-hmm. That's good. That's good. That's a good key it. Can you see is that Jay past deep go for it. Now how deep well, it goes to motive again. Yeah and what your life is centering around, so I think that's very important because again, Jesus is example Someone who lived the life completely for someone else his father. Yeah, so it has to go down that deep and obviously the holy spirit's leading us all down that path because that's the only time you bear fruit. When you're doing the father's will and I think that we need to come back again just touch on it very lightly but touch on it. It's the probably one of the worst sins. It was the the sin in the beginning that started this whole journey hmm him falling being independent and then from independent he went to wanting to be the one. Yeah, so He just didn't want to I will have a say he wanted to have all say yeah, I think the rebellion of Lucifer is is Manifest by the fact that he wanted to be greater than God, and he also wanted to take the position that was not his to take being a created being he's not honoring the Creator by trying to overtake the Throne of God, really. Like we said earlier, he's own Beauty and wisdom his pride led to deception. This is a characteristic. Also self-deception is really rampant in some of the churches because they start this separation from the rest of the church think that the character is where the generation of got the truth. And again, it becomes an independence and not an interdependence on the body. Yeah. And so I think that's another form of rebellion actually, but even more it can be we always say in the dependence on the body, but where's our interdependence on God? That's it. That's it. Yeah because it's more than just an interdependence on the body. It's an injured dependence on God gee that was a mouthful. Yeah and and sun god without me you can do nothing. But that's what Jesus said or how many of us actually live that. I want to jump back into that because the Lord has brought that to my mind that scripture. I think the key what you said is we won't actually embrace our full individuality that show without including the one that created us. Yeah, when we try to embrace individuality independent from the one that created us, we're not getting the fullness what we talked about last week because go on because he said without me you can do no thing nothing. You know thing at all like and I know that the Amplified actually can go right in there. It says nothing at all, you know, nothing that even the mind can conceive. So I think some of us Christians we get into the habit and we get into the the false identity of well, you know my individuality and then I'll add God into that. No, no you find individuality from who he is Fitzy individuality has already got God in that's the key that's already got got it. Dependence hasn't got God in there you see but I think we need to see give you know, why don't we eat quickly surrender mmm, because it's like a threat if we give over to God and let him be the one that we depend on. Okay, people say well, you're a cripple or you know, you're crippled my spiritual crippled, but if you are a cripple, you need someone to lean on come on. I'd rather be a A cripple. Yeah, and look I'm talking about the real thing. Yeah once crippled that's right and totally healed of it. That's right. But what I'm saying is they turn around and they always have a fear attached to if if there's Not My independence here. I'm losing my identity. Well, you shouldn't have an identity your identity to cry. Oh, that's burning and I think Duality because this is really hitting me. I'm really now the portal is opening in my head that the thing that you said about I could see the hell. Yeah, you can see it's pouring it but something that you said is really unlocking something in me. Even my individuality is still an expression of his individuality in me. It's not even it's not against Cano be exactly like some he gave this. This some he gave that even though that's an expression of who I am. It's really an extension of who he is individually through me yet because we made in His image. So he is an individual yet because we said on the other portal, you know, not one fingerprint alike. Not one sand on the seashore alike. Not once no fake alike. That's because he is so, you know recreating his character in individuals all the time, but different emphasis different facet of it. So when I try to embrace who I am as a person without him. Mmm. I'm just going to go around that mountain. I think we need to get the fact that God there's only one God. So here we are. He's the unique and he's the individual there is no other gods before him he is and so therefore this shouldn't frighten us. Yeah, that's should bring such security to us. Hmm, you know that God. You know wants to be that one that you depend upon. Wow. It is to make your crippled by the way. Mmm far from it doesn't make you weak. That's just me. Oh, you're very Meek. Yeah not weak and it doesn't make you cripple. It means that he's already ordered your steps. You just walk in those steps, you know, you know, I know we have a choice that we can make we can make choices. But you know how many times have we made the wrong choice? Yeah, I'd rather give the choice over to the one that's knows me better than I know me and that he can make the right choice and I could get the benefits from the right choice. Amen. No sighs well that I live audience asleep everywhere. Say 1 2 3 - sing properly do it with sound is a says taking a turn for another Direction in that note. We'll be right back. 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I'm counting all the angels that are there we go. Yeah, come on. We gotta be religious. They look at how much is in that Crowd Oh, Oh my goodness. So before before we you know Departed the break, we were talking about distinguishing the difference between individuality and Independence. Yeah, that's so good. And of course we step forward about it. It's just interesting. You know, what you said was kind of mind-blowing. I'm trying to wrap my you know, my brain. Around it, you know being an individual and not feeling like daughter trying to rob me of that. No. No he created you seem created you in the image of him, but he is so many facets the one you know, he's like a diamond, you know any created you the same way with that that that ability to be able to turn that diamond around there are different facets of that Dynamic you never see Same brightness. She never seen the saying excitement coming out of it. You never see the same. Do you understand what I'm saying? Each every time you turn that diamond around. Wow. Look at that side of the diamond. Look at that sad look. Oh and it never ends you see and he made us that way so that made sus have in be an individual with uniqueness. That's so good that you're That because the diamond can't find its unique, you know, prism and of reflection without the light and who created the diamond in its rough State. Yes in coal and then the pressure being put on it comes this incredible very precious stone that man loves I love to win them all over my fingers. We know all got to have a weak link another weakness. It's a it's a It's a good thing. Yeah, bling bling. Yeah, it's a good thing. It's a good thing. And so anyhow what I saying about this the facets of the diamond is so unique and he made us that way so that when you look at something it's never boring. It's always unique and you're an individual have such parts of you that only when you turn do they shine like this and the problem Um with that Shania is that we try to make our children. In the image of us and that will definitely cause problems and Independence, but if we give them an individual uniqueness, then we can see all the potential of what God has made. So am I right in saying that we are that like the Diamonds? Oh, are you writing multifaceted? You know, you sure cut cut and every kind of, you know cut basically every type of form when the light shines through us. Stuck in the light shines through the diamond as we turn it there's different things expressed different fat come forward, but the diamond can't be independent To Shine by itself. It has to have light coming through it to show those different facets. Well, let's go back again. Can't be independent. All right. This is a visual. Mmm who made the diamond in the first place. What did you just dig it out of the ground? Can you go and dig and diamond? That is just ready. No shove it in your ring. You know that comes out as a big gemstone. I got it. Yeah times but Cole it's like a cold starts off of school. I believe yes, it does under pressure and heat it's the transforms into what we call the diamond Stone. So it's a black thing. It doesn't have any beauty to it. Sorry. No, no problem. God chose black for Cole no matter how do you understand? Then you're saying the word black is actually a redeemed word. So let's not own it it's redeem for God. Okay, so I just want to go back to this just to get a visual that that Blackstone okay is just doesn't look that interesting. But when the pressure comes on it, oh, wow. You see what comes out of it is so unique still clear and crystal clear and so much an individual. Oil, so that means that the the two diamonds by the way are the same are the same. So that means you said the pressure that means the circumstances of life that are in our lives are there to bring out the fact that your reality? Yes, so we should stop letting circumstance be the be this voice that you know, is this woe is me and realize that why is God allowing this in my life. It's to bring out the facet of YMS, he shines through me and who he is in me and Independence will not bring the diamond to its full potential. Hmm. The pressure of that we bring upon ourselves makes our Diamond not Flawless. We become having flawed sin us. So am I right in saying even our circumstances have an assignment on our lives? Of course they do of course to do something in us and bring out something from us, but we immediately Idiot lie, I totally agree but we immediately instead of working with those things. Yeah, we run God and then you see I'm not speaking dependent because I can't give up my identity. Well, what identity do you have exciting Christ Jesus? Excuse me, who made you in the beginning? Yep, who formed you before you were in your mother's womb who gave you Daddy his identity. There's not your identity and his identity when you're walking down the street and you come in the shadow of something bigger than you. You cannot going to find you anymore. So, you know you walking along the street and You See Your Shadow and wow how this me. There's me, you know get carried away with ourselves looking for me. And so then you come into the shadow of this massive big cut skyscraper. Okay, can you find your Shadow whether it's gone? It's been overshadowed. You've been overshadowed by the best. Yeah, that's good one that made the skyscraper which brings us back to your question that you were asking during the portal about, you know, like the the glory and the honor. What's the difference? Yeah, because if you are being overshadowed because you know, sometimes I feel and I'm sure people listening can feel like, you know, there's some contract like contradicting statements. It's in the Bible like, you know, like we're told don't take the glory but then we're also told don't defer or deflect pray, you know. Yeah. So where's the fine line between that how do we how do we not deflect? You know the honor that God wants to allow people to bestow on us, but then also how do we not become prideful and accepting all that honor and I know that Pastor Tony and pass the room going to elaborate on that because that's a really good question because we using words here and making them sound the same. Mmm, so we went from the word independence to being an individual ya think that they had the same working. They do not write the same with take the glory glory belongs to the God because got to God because he creates it. He create it. Wow, why gets the glory? Wow the Praises from him. Yes to the people not the people to the people. Maude braces ask for alibied deviance and l l honor where he honors us, but the glory belongs to him. The glory has got to be to the one that created all things very wow. Wow, so let's not keep mixing. These were so many times in our Christian walk. We get these words. We think they mean the same but they sure don't mean that The same, you know, it's a lot of Christians that beat themselves up sometimes to feel like oh, I'm just you know, they do the deflecting of like Oh Praise Jesus or you know, whatever just to try to show that they're not receiving the glory for something someone. I think that's morphia. Mmm. It's more fear that God might honor them. Wow. Wow. Oh wow. Let's unpack that because those same Christians probably deep down as saying I wish someone would actually affirm my effort but they've Selected for so long you add a fear of moving into you know this. Well what they don't even know what on Earth from the Lord really looks like because they've got their Visual and they think that if I will if I accepted then again, it's this Independence, they're actually believing that if they accept it then they're putting themselves on the same level as God, you know, that's quite a high to think like that. And that's ridiculous. Yes. I'm going to be straight with you. That's just delusion. That's demonic. It's delusion to the The mutt to the most yeah, you cannot put yourself on the same level as God. So Church stop trying you cannot wow. You cannot go and make me somebody walk on water. You drowned yourself rickets. Yep. I'm serious King Kingdom now theology. Yeah, but it's almost the we are God's kind of thinking to yeah. Yeah, we all know the truth to it. Now we had God. Right, he's gone clarify not he's God in us. We keep changing the standard. We keep changing the rules. We keep changing the words. Why don't we leave it alone? Stop doing it and enjoy being an individual and a unique person that's been made in the image of God. So you're saying don't deflect the affirmation don't deflect need the encouragement, but That except the glory. Yeah Glory can't be yours. That's when it will turn into pride and Independence and that's when we come back again we go back to the beginning That's what Satan wanted. He accepted. The he wanted the glory. He wanted the glory. I will Ascend I will be like the most I've got I've got all these angels that fell with me. I deserve to be in the same place you are on the same level Jesus, but he forgot He was a created being wow. I'm listening. So in depth as well. I can't give you the gym and you guys are sleeping. I've been holding onto your I know I've been you know, I must have to apologize. I wasn't giving you all your gems you were so you wait, it might hit him three times in the portal. That's the glory one. I said why is good and that's the creation one. There you go. But that does that answer your question? I think it does. Yes. It definitely is showing me like how I've heard and how sometimes in my own life. I've received those things as being the same thing glory and praise is the same thing, you know Independence and individuality is the same thing. So, you know that separation that Clarity is I feel like is will be useful in this portal 200 help listeners. Also understand. Well, it isn't let me just You say example of David David dumb, you know, he was a man after God's heart. Yeah, so that was God praising part of David that he created. Hmm. Okay, but he wasn't going to give the glory to David for doing it who uses you have to see this yellow see it GW was good after my own heart. So the emphasis was not David Wright was on God's hat. Mmm, that's good. And he was going after that you see so there it is. There it is. And you know, we need to see don't keep lumping words together. Yeah. Okay. Don't do that. Independence is really it's harmful. Whereas in big in individual. It's not harmful, you know you dropping them tonight. Like praying in tongues wrapped. Ahahahahaha all of that. Yeah feeling better now. Yeah. Thank you Patrick. I mean jihae in this room. Yeah, and then we should head that pizza is a little. Oh, yeah. The list is ID. There's a Christian comedian and he will grew up in a Baptist Church and he was never an option I worried but he was never allowed to pray in tongues. So he wanted to get the holy spirit so much that he went on YouTube. Tube and he started listening to learn how to pray in tongues and he just thought to himself one day. I'm just going to combine all these words together really really fast. So he said hey you want to peel a banana? He just started say words really fast like buddy tow. It candle candle is desperate to hear. Yeah, like he told he couldn't hear the spirit in his church. So he just thought he just had all these fast words. He's like, I'm just gonna join all these vowel sounds together. Yeah. It was in faith, right? That's the Tony wasn't intended. Oh, that's a nice religious. All right, well, Let me go bunch of bananas. Let me go kill off this religion. We'll be right back. Hi, everybody pass tonight here again. And I am thrilled to announce the official launch of Skype dipping on this means dipping night has gone International. That's right. Even if you're outside the New York City area you can now be blessed by the prophetic Ministry of this house. Look God is speaking to everyone and we want to give you the opportunity to hear what God is saying regardless of location. So go to our Facebook page look for the tab on the side. His prophetic appointments and sign up for your appointment now everyone should he what God is saying to them and have the chance to share that with the world? Well be blow your mind. I think I need to make a real theme song out of this now. No, I think it's trending right now. It's a hot thing. I think it will go off in the club's. It's a Christian clubs. Yeah, that's Robins game in the first kind of goes off in the Christian quarter Christian Club. Yeah, I know. It's another that's another subject keep it for another day. Have you heard yourself? Say that well, but that's for another day at time. Yeah. Another Christian Club is a club where you're not single and when you're single and you're not ready to mingle, okay enough that's going to be another subject another danger an encyclopedia of modern day Christian terms. Pull them up. Will you please stop it? Will try I will try or Or create one can just create that's going to lead us through question time of or of some sort. Well, I know that we were talking you and me and sorry are you and means you should have just about this becoming more interactive and so I for all the listeners if you're listening in and you're a regular like, you know, someone that Tunes in regularly and download the podcast on your devices, there is a way that you can send us in your questions or if you want to like, you know, find out more about Topic or get us to expand on a certain topic. So we host our podcast through this site called anchor and that's a and C hor. Sorry an accident. Shout out to Anchor. Thank you. You're opening portals in heaven. So yeah anchor has this ability where you download the app and you can send in a private message and you can record yourself asking a question and save that question and we'll get that actually sent to us. Us on our end and we'll be able to play that sound bite of your question on the episode so that all of the listeners can hear your question. So it's a really really great way to make it an interactive podcast. Can we get an Applause? But they want everybody to be everybody and make sure when you record your questions that is understandable, you know clear I give you a writing, you know. You know, you got a print nice and clean. Yes nice and clean and in a quiet environment so we can hear you clearly. Yeah, we don't want to have to interpret we don't want to have to interpret so don't send it in tongues. We embrace it in tongues. We don't want to interpret it. That's a task of its own, you know, anyway, so we're going to go ahead and play the first can I tend to read the book play and don't write a book. Yes, no marathons or knob and and I'm gonna put it out there because I'm going to be little bit postural and don't teach us. Yes. This is meant to help you. This is meant to bring out what's in US upload it to you. We've been downloading from heaven. So if you're going to ask a question ask a question, well Endeavor will endeavor to answer it. We don't know at all. Nope. We're not know-it-alls, but maybe experience alone at all's well. Learn it all I'ma use that one. Maybe we're experience life as Christians a little bit longer. So maybe Been seasoned with thyme. All right. So we're going to go ahead and play the first sound bite of this question. Okay, let's do it. How can I tell when I'm being independent versus interdependent while being in a relationship with the Lord? Hmm. That's a deep question. I think we getting date now. Don't you dare? I think this listener is asking for warning signs. Yeah, you know a barometer of how do I tell when I'm being independent on myself and relying on myself that self-reliance and then how do I tell when I'm actually moving in inter dependence upon the Lord and the Holy Spirit? So what's a barometer for that start? We cast the Tony I'm with some spiritual guidance. That would pass the Tony no drop a few gems here then. I think I think if we understand that we don't have everything we have the fullness of God, but God is not going to manifest that fullness without others being involved. So I think this came up in the last portal, how how do I become an individual stay as an individual or knowing part and we prophesy in part. All right. I think Pastor addressed this in the last portal it's to do with our approach. All right. So if we if we realize that what we're reflecting as far as God's gifts and character is affecting everyone else. There is a part of the you know, the relationship between Christ and ask that will always get from other people. And so that that's a good way to understand that you're not walking wholly and solely on your own. But you do have a need that can only be met by someone else in the body of Christ. Yeah, I think that's the interdependence we're talking about. Yeah, I think you to maybe just make it a little bit clearer and maybe less complicated. There's some more because I don't think I answered that question to soak a couple of keys here Independence Independence versus In dependence or Independence versus interdependence? Okay. One thing here is the word I was going to say that ah, yeah, I is a beginning of Independence. I was going to say that examine your speech. Yeah examine your thoughts. Do you thought start with i all the time? I think I want I desire I feel I need I need. III was it started? I will do you know if your thoughts are always starting with I yeah, it's then independent you are living independently. Yeah, and if your words are always starting with I and if you if your actions are always I do so, I think I think what the interdependence will be. It will always center around others and God where is independence? Center around you, right? I think one thing I understand maybe Pastor Yan so clarify Paul Paul said, you know imitate me as I imitate Christ. So I don't think he meant cloning yourself to pour like and don't want you to clone him. He was saying to follow his example of good deeds and you know and conduct so we don't want anyone to clone anyone else you can. Can't be anyone else because the way God is like every chromazone and every part of your body is unique and it's the same in the body of Christ. Yeah. So even in our attempt to mimic someone or clone someone it can never happen really ultimately because it's not in your DNA. God has made everyone. Let's go individually understand. Yeah. We need to go back to the first conversation. I will Ascend yeah. Who said that Lucifer Lucifer? Okay. There's a sign of Independence. Hi, I will Ascend I will do this. I will work this out. Yeah, I will reason this through I was said in the beginning and it's being said every day in a church. Well, so is incredible, I think another thing and I'm just going to quickly add. Don and then we'll move on to another thing that I know the Lord is saying I'll say is also when a sign of Independence is when you think you know yourself like I hear people telling me all the time in conversations. Well, you know, I'm this kind of person and you know, this is the way I process and this is the bubble though. I like and they realize you don't know. Yourself is fake news as much as God knows you fake use interdependencies. Well, I believe this about myself but I'm ready for the Holy Spirit to show me something new. Yeah. Yeah, it's Maybe I'm Wrong hurry. It's a discovery. So another sign of Independence is are you ever wrong? You come back to sometimes? I think you'd come back Independence when you say I am the conversation. Ian's closed. Mmm. That's a gem that someone already has that if you don't make the eye the beginning of your conversation if you don't do that and that you let God show you hmm, then you're going to be ended dependent on what is shows you. Sorry got to put my hands up for that one. Yes. Oh Jesus and also little y'all going you could give me a double whammy with this one. You're going you're going if you allowed the inter dependence upon the body, then you will allow God to use that part of the body to show you what it's doing who follow I had mine 20 cents worth. It's actually please can I leave the room look a little put their hands up and I found it very hard to ask for help often. I'll take on a task very hard to to I find that Old Goat into a task. That's beyond me and tell myself. I can handle this, right? You know, I mean get halfway through and think I can't handle this but I'll continue in it and trying and prostrating myself because I think I just don't like asking people. Hey, I can't do this. Can you please help me? And so this is not good for any of this really this stage. Has another character is fraud of Independence. That is what he said. I will find it hard to ask for help. All right, so the only time The song of we're here here this one. The only time we ask for help is when we can't do it. Are you two saying instead of asking from the beginning when we can do it? It's the last thing when I can do it. I still need your cheese. I got the visual Bell my Lord. Wow, if we would ask for help, even when we are able to do it inning Jesus not halfway through no more one-night-stands guy. Wow, that was a good. I think we need to go next question. That deserves us to go the next question. All right. Is there an obstacle that got insert for the lady that I asked? All right. This one is another one. Let's play the sound bite. My question is I'm wondering if there's a negative side of Independence as in like with like the pride. There's a false Pride are like false humility is the like negative form of Pride and I'm wondering if there's a negative form of Independence as well that can show up in a feud be able to speak about that. Well ended in dependencies negative, but it It doesn't look negative because in the beginning you have to see where it was first located and it wasn't as as a negativity in the beginning it became negative. But yes, there is very much the characteristic of a pride in Independence and very dangerous lead you down the wrong path lead you you know this. This is saying that if you don't feel close to God guess who Moved he doesn't ever moved that deliverance. We got we move coming out but I said before he instigated the move to hold us to do all these things so he doesn't let go even when we let go, you know, so we need to see that that's important. I think I'll jump in here too. I think that question really refers to the negative side of that. It is being when you think that because that means if you're asking for the negative and there's got to be a positive side to Independence. I think that's where we mix it up. And we think that the positive side of Independence. Is that obviously done exactly. I think that we think that it's that individuality. Yeah, and so mixing it we want to see that individuality is where God wants us to, you know forward go forward and go through it and find our individuality in him by him through him. Yeah, but the negative side of that is independence from him. I think. Yeah, and I think whoever there was that asked the question you need to see the difference between Independence and individuality because in when you are independent, it's you when you ended when you are an individual person. Yeah, you're not doing your thing. NG you're doing his thing. Mmm. Wow, I think the in the independent you're getting with a girl you getting rid of you listening. I'm quiet, but I'm listening. Mmm. He Paul, you know, when he says not that we are sufficient in ourselves. He says that nothing self-sufficiency is a big part of being independent you think your sufficient within yourself to do? Rudy's that either God or you think you can do and so even Paul with the great, you know walk with Christ that he had. He makes the statement not that we are sufficient in ourselves, but our sufficiency comes from God so he understood that like past has been teaching us, you know, he could do nothing without without Christ doing it and he forever says that, you know instant quote that scripture, you know, I can do all things. Things that was directly after he said I've been through shipwrecks. I've been through starvation of the American people has nights. I've been through persecution. I can do all of that when Christ is doing it through me. Yeah, and I chose more in the context of endurance rather than you know taking on tasks that are Beyond us and I think Independence let's look at individuality and that is It's causes you to lose your identity. Wow price but being an individual you never lose your right and so good in Christ. That is so good. God does not want to take away your identity because the team Christ. Yeah. Yeah. They do you want to make a new identity through being an individual? Yeah apart from him. Well, I mean I look at Nebuchadnezzar King Nebuchadnezzar and he believed his own height, you know to the point around believe your own advertisement. Yeah Ali does own hype he believed his he wanted not he didn't want just the you know, what was it affirmation, but he wanted the glory. Yeah, you know and look what You went insane as when not created to hold that Glory. We definitely were not created to be a carrier of Glory except to carry the one who is glory in us. That's why in any situation when we are put in the face of people and we become you know, that figure whether it's a an artist or you know, a politician or a pastor when we start taking Glory we sharing it. It's that lower form. Into that higher reality. Yeah. Remember we mentioned that we are not created to hold the lower reality of Glory accept the higher reality of Glory that we are created to create. Sorry created to hold and our house is he's the Glorious one living in us and therefore all glory all power all honor all praise goes to him. But I mean we've seen time and time again when Christians begin to hold Glory it corrupts them Tow and they end up more alone. Then when they started totally totally and you're right, we're not called to carry that Glory except to channel it. Yeah, we channel the Holy Spirit. Yep. We carry him. He's we are his Temple and we are a vessel a channel for that glory and the presence and the power of God, but you see you can't mix yours with his wow. That's crazy. Z he what I just said people did you hear what I just said? You can't mix the two together. They don't mix. It's like oil and water. It just doesn't mix. Okay, at least the lower and the higher because we were trying to fix the created to worship something that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What we're doing is my doesn't matter what we're doing. We're always worshipping something we work whatever I give my attention, whatever I give my She is whatever I give my um, you know my energy to whatever I sacrifice to get that's my worship and and you know, you were right we are we were created to worship. Yep something. So if you're not going to worship God you're going to worships. Exactly. Well, you're going to worship the devil bet you can't not worship something because that's the way you were created. Yeah. That's the key. You're a created. You likes this table is created to whole thing. Yes. We were created to worship. He made us are worshipping vessel. Yeah, but that reason I mean, there's people out there worshipping sports teams. There's people out there worshipping arm, you know artists there's people out there worshipping Lifestyles. There's people out there worshipping nothing or is worshipping tree. There's people out, you know, there's people out of tree a hug. There's people out there that are just you know, and I'm not passing judgment because I don't want to be a hypocrite but there are people out there that worshipped the lifestyle of having everything that you know, What's up, the lifestyle of just working 9:00 to 5:00 on the week and having the weekends and worship family, whatever we getting our affection and our attention to is what we worship. Yeah, I'm serious. But he's a little thing here, you know, people want to hug trees Lord Jesus watch the bugs Don't Hug the bunch of other aspects of spiritual battle bucks. Karen doesn't like bugs about life. I don't like to somebody really bugging me to them led to get the bugs to bugging me. But one thing back to the topic no offense to your joke. I appreciate it. I'm gonna kiss the tree and make it feel good. It's all that was the stuff. We were saying about worshiping no Lena, hype the hype. No the Antics we were talking about Chris go. Yeah the 18th. That's that's a lot of different things. No, don't don't give me some to gimmicks. That's the way I'd stick on step on a cockroach in might be your grandmother. Come on step on a crack break your mother's back. But anyway, but which interesting I think when I'm taking away about independence to there's a form of inadequacy in it, because if you don't realize that's a bad, you know, you need a channels I get again. I promise make sure it's in your pockets in my pocket. Yeah, I just really feel like you know, we become independent in ways of trying to fulfill the inadequacy within us not realizing that we are encasing, you know, the Lord within us we don't realize that so we always beat ourselves up to try to work up to that. You're trying to glean. Something you already have but you're also being independent by trying to work towards getting that very thing when you have it. Well, I think that's what I've been getting out of just hearing everything in addition to the pride in addition to all the other characteristics. We've bought out tonight. Yeah. I think that one was standing out the most for me. It's like okay there's in that in that adequate see their don't know okay me in the nod your head Pastor Robb and I don't know just maybe either I know what you doing. No with the perfect. Independence is separation because that's where it leads isolation. She and you know what? He's the key. Jesus was not independent. No, it was never separated except when he went to talk to his father. So therefore if we are made in the image of God, we've shouldn't have independent Sinners period Blank purred. So I want to bring in something quickly here as we bring it to a close because I know we're going to bring it to a close. Is there any more questions? No, that's it. What sometime question time is over. Wow. So next time they can bring in a just reminding our audience members next time they can get on the ankle wrap and sending their messages for each episode. It doesn't have to be a specific episode whatever but I will answer it as the topics come up and it's going to be good because that means now the church is not going to be ending because they've got it. Wow, although Jesus we're settling down where I sucked it for. It means slut I think slut would have been a better word don't you know, it's an inward with the church and I know please don't go there sucking you tell me Rising. Let me bring out a couple of things just quickly before we close a sign of no Independence. Is just this past week we baptized over 30 people. Yay. Some of them are new converts. Some of them are returning, you know, children behind the prodigals and some of them are established people that have been walking in faith, but they wanted the reality of you know, that deeper revelation of being baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And so we just wanted to let our church family know that listen and also those that you know follow us online. We are so privileged that these people have taken this step. Faith and God provided an amazing day. He provided an amazing way for us to do it and we were able to prophesy into all their lives and it was just an amazing testimony. We were so excited to do it unless you're change did there were tears flowing and we saw change and and that that was very moving very touching to for people to feel and I don't go by feelings. You know that Chanel. But this wasn't true deep feelings inside where you could see a release from their Spirit more so than their soul it was being processed through this Soul if you know and you could really see Godly emotions coming forward. Does he gets all the glory that is not forget. He gets on the glory honor and praise and of course you have listened to another episode of my by now.

Coming off a powerful week with our Annual Season Casting II, we didn't want you to miss out on your weekly portal experience. So we wanted to share with you a special episode that was originally meant to be released but never actually got published. In this bonus episode, host Shenaya Annise jumps back in with our senior leaders -- Dr Robyn Kassas, Ps. Tony Kassas, and Ps. Nathan Kassas -- on the final segment of living free from independence. After a lengthy conversation on such a hot subject, the portals team close us out with such a powerful truth that brings the answer to the question, "If we are not to be independent, then what are we supposed to be?". Our team takes us through the journey that leads us out of independence and into the answer...Individuality. Be encouraged, as Dr Robyn releases the revelation that independence will rob you of your individuality -- the very thing that makes you unique. God has made everyone of us unique and by allowing ourselves to fully depend on Him, our true identity and individuality can be fully realized. While we are not to be independent each one of us has been called to be an individual, and it's in our individuality that we will see the fullness of God manifested as we rely totally on Him to reveal our unique gifts and callings. This is gonna bless you to the point where you will be singing, "Snap, Crackle, Pop!". Let the download begin!

Hey, what's up? Everybody? Here? We are in Tribeca the new home of police off the cuff. I'm here with my partner in law enforcement Bill Cannon. What's up, bro? Hey, how you doing? Miss sleeping to be here. Yeah, me too before we shall give a shout-out to our engineer on the ones and twos Richard. What's up Rashad? Give it up for Pam. What's up? Pam's got the grease Port there with her notes and we got a guest today. His name is Kevin, right? He's all Irish and he's in the house from Dublin. He says he's gonna do another podcast. I don't know if I believe it or not. But without further Ado we have a fantastic get guess somebody that we've been trying to get for a long long time. She played hard to get but we finally nailed it down. Let's give it up a barber put your folks. Yeah. I'm leaving make up that name. That's really her. That's really her name. And if you're not from New York City and you don't know who Bob a butcher is let me just give you a little she was the chief of staff at the office of the medical examiner of New York City. I had the pleasure of having her show up to some of my crime scenes possible homicides and let me tell you something. There was nothing nothing like seeing Barbara come through the door man. She and she still looks beautiful. It's been a couple years, but you still look amazing a lot of years old. A lot. Thank you, though. Hello. You were 26 27 years. You were 20. No 24 years 23 years with the chief medical examiner the chief medical examiner New York City and about a little more than half of those years were spent on the streets with you guys. It's Robin cases investigating deaths and having a hell of a good time while we did it. All right. So here's what happens if you have a body a DOA that's it looks suspicious. What do we do Bill we call the Of the chief medical examiner and they send out a team of medical Legal Investigators who actually go after crime scene all crime scene unit does their act first film the scene they do whatever they do and then the medical Legal Investigators come they do the forensic investigation, which is taken the temperature check in for wounds looking for petechial hemorrhages pretty fucking smart guy here. Yeah. He's pretty good at the Monroe College in case you missed the bus. So yeah, so used to basically showed up at the crime scenes and you determine whether it looked like it was a suspicious death, right? Yeah, we used to, you know, make the determination. Like I always saw at the scene belonged to you guys and the body belonged to us, but you know most of the time I try to work with crime scene Absol so I could see what things they did they can see what things I did it, you know make it worked. It made it work better. Yeah, we did God how many thousands of scenes in the city? It says you went to 680 homicide scenes. That's right. Wow, that's amazing. It's 680 homicides and my total case count is five thousand. Oh my God, but those weren't all scenes. So do you have nightmares? No kidding. Yeah, but you wouldn't tell us anyway, you gotta have you gotta have some PT. But yeah, but yes, we're jumping the gun here. Wait, let's build. First of all, let's just start in the beginning. Where you from born in Brooklyn raised on Long Island in Massapequa Park, I grew up in Levittown. We were almost neighbors. That's right. I was probably over there looking for no not that upset trouble trouble trouble trouble a good student even early on I was good lazy but smart and did you have a curiosity for because you worked basically a job was you're always running Dead things that people actually as a little kid I started very very young. I like to dissect dead animals to see what happened likes it. So that's one of the size of a serial killer killed Emily. I know serial killer a medical exam the same, you know continue. So, how do you go about that? They sexting animals? Well, you know, I told one of my my uncle's who was like a into biology. I told him I want to dissect these animals. See what's inside him. See what happened. Him so he gave me a scalpel tweezers and I told my parents that first I started when I was about ten. Okay, and I told my parents for Christmas. I want some dead animals. Wow honest to God. So they actually there's a catalog where you can get these little dead animals like frogs and stuff preserved in formaldehyde side got him and I cut them up then they got me a microscope so I could look at them. I was a strange little dude. You know, what you did you start to learn what you're looking at. Also studying that part of it or you just I don't know. But yeah, I just wanted to see what was inside there. We must have been heaven when you get to high school and you started dissecting frogs you do it. This is nothing. You gotta see what I do in my backyard. Yeah, you know and I told my father he said what do you want to be? I saw I want to be a doctor. I want to find out what makes things tick. He said Jesus Christ. I'm a cop if you think you're going to college you got another thing coming. It's on the job where he was in. He was a deputy inspector when he when he went out on this show. Yeah, Adam butcher, but this is way before you have to before you were born. Even. Yeah, he started out in Brooklyn. He was Captain at a77 your brothers and sisters. Yeah, but nobody went into the job. Some of my cousin's did. They also did this they help you dissect your animals? No, I was the oldest of nine kids and they were scared of me 9. Yeah, of course. Look what she has wanted. I was the third of a no kidding. Smoothies cops. They don't know how to put that thing away, you know exactly they don't have any money but they got a lot of energy. Let's just keep having kids. Yeah who's messing with her older sister when she said they write they said would ask a poem like, yeah. So you start this curiosity. I guess it just kept blossoming, right? Yeah lost interest in it. Yeah. I did a lot of different things. I was working as a physician assistant working as surgery, of course. Well, I cut and stuff and your PA. Yeah, so that was your first job out of college. No, I had I kicked her out with a few more things. I did a little bartending which would a college I went to Long Island University. Umbrella you yeah, Liu welcome play baseball for them. Yeah. It's a great I was a fun school and then I went to yes, then I went to Columbia for the for the Master's Degree. How do you need to be an ml? I do you have to be a physician's assistant back then you had to be officials that mli medical-legal investigate, okay. Back, then you had to be a physician or a physician assistant. We had guys in Staten Island in the Bronx who were Physicians doing this part time and that's a lot of education for a job. That doesn't pay a whole lot of money, right? Yeah it but now they've relax the rules a little bit was so hard to get people to do it. So, you know now they allow forensic anthropologists to be invested. They had a lot of them on the World Trade Center member found some bones and they go. Oh, no, that's it. Turkey, yeah, that's right. I was one of the terminations was whether it was a human piece or I'm an animal. Yeah, so let's go back. So now you're you were in high school. Did you go to college and then you become efficiencies assistant and none of this was satisfying you still wanted to get back to the science part of it dissecting part of it. Well, you know, I it was weird. I was after being a physician assistant. I Came like a hospital administrator, but I was bored all those things. So I go to a career counseling service and they said we'll give you all these tests and figure out what you be good at what you should do and I think Minnesota multiphasic and preferential and blah blah blah the end of it. They said you should be a poultry veterinarian or a corner. Let me pull I know working on chickens. That's exactly what I said. I said, why should he narrow field? It's a white chick. They said well if you work with puppies and kittens, you know, you get upset when they die. It's too much. So motions you give Frank Perdue a call. Now, let's say I said chickens what you know, so he says they chickens have beady little eyes and you won't get attached to them. Nobody cares about chickens. I said, you know what I'll take that guys so they said call the person in New York had has that absolute best job you can think of Culturals Hirsch I said would you talk to me about your job? They said how did you know what you know him beforehand. I'm sorry. If you hear about any noise in the background, we got construction going on here in the building. They're redoing the whole studio for us. I'm killing this. Yeah, but you knew trousers beforehand. Well, I knew the name, I mean he's he was a papers and things so I called him. He said sure I'll talk to you and I came in and Cinema had shot before him. I was wondering what So I sat down at that time, right? Yeah. Yeah, and he introduced me to all his staff. I went and looked at an autopsy and they said how'd you like to work for us? Luciano Chief Charles hers was he was the chief medical examiner of for the medical examiner said yeah. Was he was a lot of four years, right? I don't know. What is 30 years. Who knows but it he was use a gentle snow and he had a great sense of humor. Very very dry wet when I used to bring them up at the speak at the homicide course a lot of you know, you got 250 300, you know investigators from all over the country there and sometimes they're chatty in between speakers and he one thing I loved about him was he never raised his voice he started off at a nice. Even Pace where most speakers would you want to be, you know over the top so you grab everybody's attention. He would be very subtle and soft spoken until every the room dropped. I learned a lot from him the room dropped and he listened to and the first thing that he said at the end it was a joke. It was a punchline. He like. Oh my God, this guy's funny. Yeah, and then they had to listen more so they would quiet down even more and before you know it he had the whole room in his palm of his hands. He never raised his voice and he was brilliant. Well, that's because his audience never talk back to I was waiting Mark film about was the deputy chief Fang then because they gave the most fascinating lectures on 9/11 not mine. But I mean he spoke about the reason they didn't find a lot of the bodies was because they were turned. It to gas basically they just vaporized. Yeah, and that was people I would imagine if you lost a loved one. That way you wouldn't want to hear that right but scientifically that's what happened is that there was never ever in the history of mankind that amount of force dropping down. Well there actually was but that was a cataclysmic event here with Shannon. No. No, I mean when when the floods or whatever you believe in the meteorite that hit the earth and cause of floods like six and a half thousand years ago. I mean that Is the magnitude to do of his degree in astrophysics now, but I listened to and I've read up on it. Anyway back to back to back to Hirsch. So you went in the had this meeting with Hirsch and he offered you a job right there on the spot. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that too. I thought I was kind of a happened to you mark what you walked in to get a job on the spot and that and I did. Me neither. So so you started working on what capacity there. I started out as an investigator. I was a trainee, you know, you had to have the medical background but they put us through three months of following everybody around and working cases or working autopsy that I went to the homicide course and ypd. Then I went to the FBI course that they have good old good courses amazing. I couldn't get any of that shit. The way to get a hot blonde on the stair, right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah Cooper the homicide course, you're the fucking course, we have that other guy can fuck him. So now you're ready. And you start working there was like I can't imagine what the first couple days were they the called the meat wagon, right? Is that what they call it? Well, you guys did wait I never said that. I read there's a truck and that truck or van and it says oh Oh CME on it and when that's parked in the neighborhood, it's not a good son. Somebody's dead. Somebody's dead and you what you guys would go out in the in the van and you'd call the your your homicide scenes and I would imagine it takes a little bit of getting used to well. There's so many things that like the smell at a homicide Mmm. Yeah, the body said even though you were dissecting out animals at the time when you were there were there were in from aldehyde. When did you start getting really exposed to dead bodies often? You know, right right from the get-go when I was in my training they sent us down to see some autopsies. And the first time they did a decomposed body that they flushed out of the river. I just yes goodness. Just leave that smell and it's does the autopsies the forensic pathologist, but we had to participate observe learn and there is no smell on earth like that and that was hard to get used to but it's really, you know, what else was hard to get used to. To like I go back to what 92 is when I started the job. That's when I got on the gym and walking into a scene full of detectives mostly male officers and I'd come in and I'd say hi the medical examiner coming to you. That's nice honey. Yeah, wait over here that took some getting used to like letting those guys know. Hey, I know what I'm doing here, too. I'm here to help I'm here to work with you, you know, let's work together. Detectives have such a huge huge egos because I was a boss of detectives as a sergeant and even though your sergeant they don't really consider you in there in there in there team. Well, I'd say team but then you're not a detective your boss, you know. Yeah, and so many of them have these what I would call it would hypothesize and theorize on homicide before anything was clear and I would say shut the fuck up and stop hypothesizing and theorizing and start type of roads in your reports, right they use To her. She used to tell me take your hands off your ears. Put them all over your mouth. Don't get theories. Just just listen observe. Listen, it's not the truth at all. What are you listening to what two detectives are talking about what other family members? Okay. Now, I mean how much information did we get from people just standing there chatting right? And you know, let's face it. It was a dick waving contest there was there was a lot of good. I you know what, To work with you and you showed up in our scenes by that time. You've already had that veneer that very very tough paneer you came in there. You would like in complete control. It wasn't the shy timid girl. I mean you'd walk in it was almost like a TV or movie character red high heels on you has record on at the only thing that differentiates you from like being like a businesswoman or like, you know, just some of lady walking down Fifth Avenue was the fact that you had that that windbreaker on this hit ocme on. On it. That was the only thing and you little faggot Trix. Yeah. Well demanded a designer Tyvek suit Calvin Klein. I tell you what she demanded a lot of respect. There was a lot of respect everybody. Okay, but that's the irony of it. If you're going to film this it's the beginning of it when you get there and it was like stand over here, but and then at the end not the end but right in the middle, why don't you started really having control of it? You get there and everybody back up Let It Go Let Her Go Let Her Go to this part Let It Go. It I mean I have enormous respect for detectives for and for NYPD one and it's always my job and your job is the hardest damn job. But yeah, I mean it was it was pretty quick that we started really working together and everybody cooperating and they said all right. She knows something letter read. Yeah, and it was wonderful. Absolutely. Wonderful. Well, you're the work you do though is sort of its prepping it for the pathologist. East who's going to come up with the final determination? I mean you're going to come up with this is a homicide or this is looks like a suicide or strange or whatever it is. But the pathologist is ultimately going to come up with the yeah, but you know, the pathologist is seeing that body on a table just a naked body on a table with a gunshot. You can't tell if it's a homicide or suicide or an accident, you know those guys that playing with their guns shoot themselves and right between the eyes so his first shot is his last shot as his best shot, but they We established whether or not it was suspicious. First of all, not a natural death than whether or not it needed an autopsy. And what were the circumstances of the death homicide suicide accident or natural then you do the autopsy and get the exact cause of death and then the manner of death based on our investigation to give you a rodents just a little bit example, I had a case and when we get there, I definitely thought it was a homicide. It was a when you looked at. At this guy this guy was face down in his living room. It looks like somebody beat the crap out of him. His face was so badly disfigured and beat up when you get there. Will you look at the body? There was no bullet wounds. There was no stab wounds then he will she go. Hey fellas. Can you give me a hand turning over the body which nobody wants to have it so we turn it over and he look at his face. And that was the thing that his face was just destroyed like wow somebody and then you start looking around and there was No evidence of Foul Play in the apartment. Nothing was moved. There was no sign of a struggle nothing like that. And then you looked at his arm. I remember and he had track marks. He was obviously a heroin junkie and he look at the size of his belly because this guy had this big belly and he looked at the chair that was turned over and you said you go to us. You know what I think I think he you know, how you do that heroin not like this. It was so top heavy that he fell over and he landed right on his face and and then I I was like, wow, that was pretty great. And the the worst part of it all it's just this is the way this is the way thing nobody did this on purpose but when we put the body back his face, it was already like just it just hit the back to the apartment floor like like that it made this sound like but the nose was inside the head already. So it made that sits just a flush sound that I'll never forget in my head, but that that's exactly what it's like you came there. You made that determinant. We all thought it was a homicide we I thought and I was catching into as I was already getting nervous. I was like, wow, this is gonna be my case right now. I'm gonna how many times did we go to one apartment where you'd see like a bloodbath look like a butcher shop that was excuse me. There was blood everywhere and then you find that you'll accept we examine the guy and we see that, you know clearly he's an alcoholic because he's got 72 empty bottles in the doorway and he you know got the garbage full of beer and you looked as a tiny little cut on the side of his head, but how Alcoholics bleed like hell when they get cirrhosis and we go around the apartment and see that it was all his handprints his footprints that he was just walking around the apartment drunk and bleeding to death that happened. I can think of like three cases with the apartment look like it was a slaughter house turns out to be just another poor drunk tell us about a case that wasn't so easy to solve maybe one of the maybe something that's maybe even bothers you or still troubles. You too. Today, you still not a hundred percent sure about something that tells about one of those cases God there's so many of those there was one that really bothered me. This guy. He's riches all hell and he buys his wife like a nice little Boutique that she can run and she's she's a beautiful younger woman dressed in like a Chanel suit, and apparently he commit suicide by injecting maybe some insulin into himself. And they can first of all is he diabetic and she said yeah, he was a little diabetic a little bit and then I said who called 9-1-1 she said well, I called his doctor his psychiatrist who told me to call 9-1-1 I said, oh who's a psychiatrist? She said here Here Comes this really good-looking young guy sharp suit really hot in the Tulips the fuck. They got major chemistry I can. Let these two are in love this wife and this psychiatrist. So I sit down in my little like Columbo raincoat, you know my cheap suit, my little heels I said, you know, so don't tell me about this guy I said, did you treat his depression or something? He says no, I treated his diabetes. I said, oh, are you an endocrinologist now? I'm a psychiatrist. I said, why would you treat his diabetes? Because I understood him. Oh good perfectly. Well capable of doing these things, you know, very and the wife was at yes. He was most favorably disposed toward. Dr. So-and-so and I just knew that there was something going between these with science collides with common sense, right? Yeah. It just it made no sense but on the autopsy. Yes, he had an overdose of insulin, but I couldn't find where he injected himself. Why he did this he had a little girl, like maybe he found out about his wife and the psychiatrist doing each other. I don't know but I could never prove a thing. I think it went out as a cuppie right circumstances undetermined pending police investigation. Exactly. I don't know whatever happened to those two. I wish I could remember their name. I was thinking about a lot of these TV shows and movies that we watch the always. Like if you watch CSI and looks like the crime scene people of the one solving the case if you watch I don't know if you used to watch Quincy with member jackw Club got yeah, but you would think that the medical examiner's are is the one serving the cases but here you're telling us you actually do kind of sort of step out of your boundaries a little bit and you actually did you're doing some investigative work. They're having an interview with somebody sure. I mean that was the most fun. Did you document that on a 500 that will DigiTech just were right there with me. Okay, good. We were doing this together. Oh, no, I would never question a witness on my own. Uh-huh. No, I had the guys with me and we're just you know back and forth with them. They'd ask a question. I'd ask a question back and forth and we sort of tag-teaming but that's that's why it's so important for you to have a good relationship with the detectives and work together not work against each other. Oh, yeah. No. No, I loved I like, you know. No, I wanted to be a cop but back then when I was the right age, I wore glasses and I was to be male at the time it was going to ask you that. How come you just didn't become a cop detective 1969-1970. It wasn't a whole bunch of women on the first it wasn't. Yeah, so she probably would have had to wear the skirt and stuff. Yeah. That was the uniform. Yeah, right. I wanted to be like a real do you know and my father told me so she's stalker one that Force they'll break your heart. They'll rape you and kill you and ruin your whole life. He was right. I was a tough even when when I came I came out in 1985 the old-time cops. We'll all I'm going to say all because nothing's all but they were overweight. Yeah, they smoked cigarettes. Like they were healthy. They drank coffee like it was out of control. Yeah, and then they would want to give you advice on economics. And they were they were all idiots with their own economic. So take a punch alone every 6 months. It's your money which was exactly the wrong the wrong thing. But listen to these guys because these guys Call the my hair back. I love that. You know, this is what you want to do kid, right? So you're after how long does it take for you to get it back? You might start getting your confidence on these scenes. I think within about six months. I started feeling it and you know, the reason I wore a skirt suit and heels was because you got a dress for success success, you gotta you gotta dress like you look like you're somebody like an authority. I still tell those investigating. Those who wear jeans and khakis and you know old shirt don't do that makes you look like a little technician or something, you know, if you're a professional dress like one thing this way societies going right now. Anyway, though. Nobody wants to would lose in the getting dressed up or for an occasion people get like it's not even ironic anymore that you're wearing sneakers with your tuxedo and whether that's like every let's do it everybody you may have to run What about having a leather sole in your shoe that makes you stand up straight. Yeah rubbish too comfortable. You know your man you should have ever loved is so let's you and keeps you upright. It keeps you know what I'm saying? You like a madman. He got to go have a couple of martinis at lunch. This is all goes together. Yeah. I'm more of a professional. I don't know what I'm saying. Well, you know detectives always dressed beautifully. I some of those guys had some really nice. Maybe you worked a lot. He worked in Manhattan. Yeah. Well, you know, what is the South they Had the French cuffs and they just really good and they didn't have that much violence in the north. We had DNA and blood all over us suits mobile blood in the north and I used to say you guys eating quiche going to the best places to eat and what catching all the murders exactly. How long did it take before you can actually get used to the crime scene that that does not the people now forget that but I mean just so many horrific things that you walked into man. It's like the slug we talked about the smell. This is the one time I had a case with The guy he died in his another guy that it was everyone but apparently he had cancer or something like that. We thought he had a dog. Because we just saw like mounds of shit everywhere and place stunk so bad between the dead bodies and shit and and I'm like, I don't see a dog. Where's the dog the dog that to like not on its human shit. Yeah, and so the whole place stunk so freaking bad now all of a sudden you showing up, uh-huh, you know it yeah you little high heels is turn. Hey guys, what's up? Has then every time you smell Vic's you think of decomp. I think it does. Wow. Yeah, so no, I never did anything like that. I just tried to get used to it. Try to breathe shallow. It was horrible. Remember if you smell that on an empty stomach sick as a dog single day it gets in your clothes it gets in everything. So it's good to eat right before you get to a black disgusting crime scene as I was saying that was the stench of loneliness and her she used to say, you know, what is the sense of Home decomp someone dying alone if somebody dies. Hello also sell. Yes. Nobody checks on you for two weeks. We had one one that the guy was there so long that you know his body, I guess it liquify then it seep through the bed and then it seep through the floor and the only way that people knew downstairs was because there was a spot looked like it would there was a leak coming from there and there was like dripping into their apartment. That was yeah. That was yeah close this what used to be his skin that's called putrefaction, right? That's right. Purge is the liquid comes out of the body it just every all the liquid start running out. It's just that's a smell you cannot describe. It's unbelievably bad worst thing I've ever smelled the smell of what was it again? The smell of what the stench of lonely the sense of loneliness is so sad. Yeah, but yourself, I want to go out with the odor of partying this still smell the skies above the ranks of everybody else now though because how many are there how many I think that when you were 20 of us when I left but throughout the whole city. Yeah. Yeah, maybe 25 now. I'm going out in these Vans and in every Borough a you you centralized in New Could use every barrel have their own little ocme dispatch every Borough had their own ocme office with you know, autopsy sweets Bronx Queens Staten Island, Brooklyn all had their own offices now, I think there's a bit more consolidation Bronx doesn't have on they go to Manhattan and the Staten Island people go to Brooklyn their autopsies. So yeah, we all you know, we dispatch out of our individual Burrows. I always worked Manhattan I insisted on that because I Ali wanted to see nice Apartments, you know, you know, we just wanted to smell the stench of loneliness and nice million dollar apartment. But you know we use as a better chance that you're gonna get it almost a little bit a better scene. Yes, that's you in Manhattan and are is what saying the Rockaway? Sorry, you're sitting in the South Bronx, but I loved looking at I mean apartments in the buildings and the places we would go you don't crawling around on rooftops climbing through. Garbage and stuff and and and some of the apartments. I mean from the richest people in the world and art collections of stuff and I remember going to a scene we always play jokes on you guys and O is a go to the scene is a this one officer standing watch outside the apartment. So I put my jacket took my jacket off and I took my case put it behind the door. I said, oh hi. I understand this an apartment available and it's rent stabilized. Can I I see it. He said I'm sorry lady but you're talking about is somebody died here. I know and I heard it's a really nice apartment awfully quick. Can I just have one little look this poor guy was so confused and I can't come on come on your little pink. And finally, he said all lady, please go away. You're really upset. So I said medical examiner. That's great. Excellent. Let me know what you probably want the first one there that day, right exactly. Me some is there a national protocol for homicide crimes seen response from the office of the medical examiner and some of these small towns? Obviously, they have a problem with because they don't really investigate many murders, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a huge problem in the United States 60 percent of the population is served by an elected corner and the rest are by medical examiner's. So for instance upstate, New York. Go to be a corner and to investigate deaths. All you need is a high school diploma a driver's license and to be 18 years old. Wow. These guys don't know anything so you can really get away with murder in a lot of areas. So good little towns that have coordinates but you know, and the so there's this national movement to train people from all jurisdictions up to the standards of like an NYPD and a New York City medical examiner level. So remember you know that author Patricia Cornwell. She gave me 1 million dollars to establish an academy forensic Academy. Then I got a grant from the feds for a million and we started bringing people from all over from Podunk. I feel like Vegas how much money is not that much but we did we've established that out of the ocm and of the ocme. Yeah for I think it was for you as I still doing that now nah once I left, you know, they probably ran out of money too, right? Yeah, they ran out of money and And what imagine that you're in a small town and there's a murder and people go there and they have no qualifications whatsoever whatsoever to investigate solve. It happens all the time. And it's so they call unusually the state troopers, right the state and state troopers have a better knowledge, but there's still not MediCal examiner's and a lot of times the autopsy is done by a regular pathologist from a hospital the same person who reads pap smears and we have a wart removed and now all of a sudden they're Can 14 bullets through some guy's body and a you know in a shooting and flat blah blah. So the bodies the bodies. You used to those right? And you used to is there anything that scares you like? He's scared of roaches or a spider or some no you ever pretend like you are just so people know sometimes I'd be sitting at a kitchen table snakes. You're not scared of snakes. I don't like them, but I'm not particularly scared. What am I scared of that is so I don't know there is something you swim. No, that's you know what it is. I'm a I'm a safety security freak Lynn lover a landlubber. If I see like I check the smoke alarms every month everywhere not just my house, but my friends yeah, I'm always afraid things are going to blow up go on fire. If you see dead people every single day dying in these horrible ways. You start to think that's the norm. That's how everybody is going to die. So I'm wary of strangers. I don't walk close to the subway Edge, you know, because I know somebody's I don't trust you either. Yes. Um, He's got to push me, but I'll do that. So I'll check the smoke detectors. I don't know about that. No do that do that. You got to check your smoke detectors. I also don't when I'm crossing at the walk. I always stand back. I stand behind a poll just because he's coming up here hits me and I was have a body at to on the side. I could just thrown away. If I have to this way, you know I'm saying make sure you stand in the crosswalk lines because if you do get hit you get more money on the lawsuit because you're in the crosswalk. Yeah, if you're outside the crosswalk then your That's not good. So that's why I don't do that either. I don't you. Okay, and I told my kids that I was walk to the corner. Yeah, make sure I get to the corner you make much more money that way well, I mean if you live could you there was a really interesting case in in the wire and I took because forensically this really interested me and the the scene was in prison a guy strangles a guy and then he hangs them from the doorknob with a piece of Rawhide. Yeah, and to make it look like he hung himself. Yeah, but the problem is and you know Oh this dead bodies. Don't bruise. That's right. So the Rawhide should have made a bruise if he was alive when he was right. So I was like, that's great because like months later. They Revisited that destination women. There was no bruising on his neck with that Rawhide, right? He must have been murdered right? I thought that was so cool because talk about a case like that. Well, you know what speaking of that tell us what your opinion is on Epstein. So we're going to talk about a case like that. I'm calling the Epstein case. A semi assisted suicide. I I know it was a suicide because I know the people who went to the scene. I know the autopsy person who did the autopsy. I know everything about it. It is a suicide but it was I call it semi assisted because the two Corrections Officers went away for eight hours and they sat in the general area and surf the Internet they didn't check on them for eight whole hours and goes to check out of my finger was like every every half hour then his roommate got transferred out that day. They said they were busy know they were yours. So something that videotapes. I'm just saying, that's what they were saying. Burano they worked overtime or something like that and were exhausted. That was the initial excuse. I remember yeah. So how come on that day for eight whole hours. They didn't check. They didn't do one little safety check. Plus they got rid of his roommate. Yeah, his roommate was gone. He ran with the most powerful people in the world. Yeah prince Andrew Bill Clinton all the Saudi Arabian Sheiks. And the last thing on earth they wanted was to have this guy test. Testify because he had everything on them. So you think somebody put a gun to his head and said no, I think he had already tried to do it himself two weeks before and he the news broke he fell he's on the ground with bruises. Somebody held them up this time. Yes this time. So he absolutely should have been on suicide watch. So not only were they negligent fall asleep, but they were supposed to be watching this guy. He was on suicide watch for I think five days maybe six and then they're like, yeah, he's okay. Let him go which is bull. Anyway, you can't do that, right? That's not protocol that sense. It has to mental illness in the thinking about committing suicide last longer than a week two weeks sure does and this guy sit in a like a 4x6 cell that was had roaches and it was disgusting. So he goes from the top of the world living at a private island and sleeping with 17 year old girls. Now, he's sitting there like a miserable bastard and the food stocks. The roaches are running around on his feet and everybody says to him, you know, Jeff you'd be better off if if you just want to buy so I think it was encouraged and the assistance was that the guards went away. I gave him his moment to take care of it eight whole hours. How many times you think he's trying to do it in front? Come on, Jeffrey. His metal sheet time out Jeff Jeff listen to you not doing it. Right how many times you got to tell you? Yeah, you know and he had paper sheets originally and then all of a sudden he's got a real sheet enough to hang himself. So is that what you used the sheets of the paper sheets that they're made to break apart if you gotta suck a sheets to man. Yeah something special how many how many special you must have silk threads. Do you think those sheets were he had sheets made? Out of virgins hair. Oh my God, he with this guy. So Corrections Officers and it's up to you know, what kills me is when they bring the FBI in what the fuck does the FBI know about homicide investigation how many murders that I respond to a year Well, I want to kill this Premier law enforcement agent. They don't know shit the FBI. My guys investigate hundreds and hundreds of homicides and if they see an FBI agent to like Kill Ya, he's got a bone to pick with I do I'm a little bit not homicide homicide investigators you need boots on the ground for that man. Yeah there to see them do a canvas Up In Harlem, they'd be with their ivy league suits be shitting their pants they pull up they pull up and they get there. They got to get the flak jacket out of the trunk and then the clock we go home at 4:00. XU FEI will going home. It's four o'clock. So an assisted and assisted suicide that semi assisted suicide. I'm Chloe. Yeah, man, it's well, it's opposite than obviously a Kevorkian thing. Yeah when you talk about assistance, but you saying a semi so they encouraged and abetted they enabled you think they might even got some extra cockroaches and let them loose in this cell just a little bit. I wouldn't be surprised if they you know, whoever came to visit him said Jeffrey. This is gonna get bad. Dad, you're going to get like gang raped every day or something. Who knows? Who knows what the music they said it was messing with a mentally. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, that's I tell you man. That's the best excuse that I've heard Still Clinton. I heard chemicals. I feel your pain. You see that I forget what I'm going to say. But anyway, yeah, well prince Andrew last night. So prince Andrew was one of his very close friends. So the royal family is having a fit last night. He does an interview and they said do you regret having partied with and stayed with a convicted sex offender after his release said well to tell you the truth. I wouldn't say my friendship. I found it. Very interesting. A fellow plus he had 17 year old girls had but yeah, he's trying to fix the the didn't go. Well probably shouldn't I think you should have left over they could have had a rehearsal and then he could have like a drill. Tape out. Let's do it again. What are you watching that thinking? It's going to be okay, but don't you love when the Press calls it a homicide? It's just a homicide thank press called it. They know or they pick a guy with a heart attack. You know, he's like, he's running down the street screaming my heart my heart. I've got heart disease and I've got a heart attack and I'm gonna die and I know all of a sudden he collapses forward and dies and they say the medical examiner will determine the exact cause of death. like the heart attack wasn't good enough doesn't matter how many Clues and then they'll speculate on everything else with no knowledge what I love when they would say time of death and you know with the body temperature everything goes down 3° the first hour an hour, but also depending on the temperature of the room as for the best determination of time of death is witness as far as mistakes I've ever made Large large family this like 20 people the 92 year old great grandfather's dead. And the wife the daughter comes to me and says, can you please tell me what time he died? Exactly. I want to have a mess said at that time for his soul. Please please I said, oh yeah sure. So I go in the room and I'm examining the guy and I'm doing my little calculations, you know, 3 goes into 4 and gets into consent there x 7 rigor mortis alchemor distemper modest. Urban Waters come out and I said he died at approximately 11:30 p.m. No, I saw him at midnight. What do you mean? How can he be dead? I talked to him. I forgot the most important question was the last time anybody saw a guy alive. Yeah. I took all my little scientifical calculations. Let's throw him out the window. Yes to show your comments. It's kind of actually made a phone call that yeah, probably exactly it was a lot of those things guy gets shot like in the head, but he died of like something else like a heart attack of some lead poisoning. So yeah, you know boys and go to an emergency room of a hospital guy shot eight times and it's a dock is is he likely and he'd say nice gonna be fine. That's why the military found out how to do it on the battlefield and emergency rooms are practicing a that's right stuff. They shoot into the wound. That's amazing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Get the glue. Yeah, that's incredible. And now with the nowadays with all the opioid overdoses actually bombarded with that maybe not so much in New York City, but the other states and then they also have that thing that you can dark head. Narcan can give them so these people are basically technically a dead until you give them the notch. All right. I mean, they're very close to dad. Usually they were exactly somebody they come back to life in the middle of it. It didn't happen to me, but it happened to Kenny Dodson in the Brooklyn office he was This is woman. She took an overdose of Valium and they EMS pronounced her dead and they're hanging out Kenny gets there and he he's examining her he's doing this and doing that and then he's turning her over because he's going to take the rectal temperature and she goes up. She had that'll wake you up. She goes. Oh Kenny, you know, it's bad to touch somebody you think is alive and find out. Dead but it's much worse. If you think they're dead man's right to be alive. Oh my God, that's horrible. So they revived a jump EMS jumps on it reviver blah blah blah. Can he leaves he saw shake a nice? Oh my God. I can't believe that they call it back half an hour later and say she's dead again said are you sure? You know, you guys make up your mind for Christ's sake glories of the morgue and this always This like there's gases that get out of the body and the body tends to move like a lot of times after it's dead. Those things scare you the first time I saw that a guy died in a van and he decomposed he was homeless living in the band van in the poor. The poor guy is living in Israel ratty looking thing. So I was pretty new when the police were having a good time with me and they go up Marburg a going the fan will be out here. I said I wanted you come in with me Nana. Two small go on in I go in there and this guy is crawling with maggots. So so decomposed that is flies and it's everything and as I step toward him I hear I didn't and I screamed and I leaped out of the van into their arms. It turns out you know, the gases Escape it makes them grown and when his face call him with the maggots it looked like his face was moving and he groaned and I almost died. I lost it and they like they're all laughing and they go what is it Barb what I said, um, nothing I thought I saw a spider. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. You can tell how it when the eggs are laid turn into poop about the dark. You scared of the dark now. No, in fact, I'm good. And you aren't you get did you get trained in the Firearms? No, but a couple of the guys used to take that you hold it Runge and yeah, oh my God a couple of guys they take me out. I never wanted you could have you kind of could have got a license really easy you think see now? I need one now. I don't think the end would have been. Hard because they change them see no. No, why not? Because they don't want anyone getting a gun permit Source he carried now I'm talking about but back in the day. Everybody would give it out to well. No, we had to sign a paper Hirsch made us all sign a paper that we would not carry a gun. Well really? Well, that's interesting. Why because we're all crazy. There was no need for a gun instead what they bought us was bulletproof vests. Well, that's not going up to the three four back in the day. You'd want one on Three four in the be people in the streets screaming because some kid got shot. They don't know who you are. You just you got the jacket and looks like a cop jacket right here some stupid girl and she's touching my friend Desmond, you know, and so they were used to get a little speaking of that. You have a we talked a lot about scenes that are inside apartments and inside dwellings. You still get cold two scenes that happen outside in the street, right? Oh, yeah, and the weather is inclement weather that's got to be a pain in the butt to yeah the high heels and stuff in the show. No, the heels are good for traction and the ice. Yes, and the water to him. If you have you got probably going through with a pool of bodies out of the water everything. Oh, yeah, many many a time. Does The Source floaters popping up in the spring? You know, that's how you know what it's when it's springtime in New York is all of a sudden this loaders pop up from the bottom of the springtime in New York. That's a great scene to shoot the movie. I know what a lovely but you know, we struck me. About outdoor scenes is that if it was specially if it was a some big shooting or something and a bodies on the street and it was cameras around, you know, the inclination is when you see a guy haven't seen in a couple of weeks. Hey Bill, how you doing? Good to see you. Hey, how's your kid doing is still getting that college and you're all talking and smiling at each other you turn around. There's a TV camera right looking at Shannon. It looks like you're having a hell of a good time at this homicide. It's just work. This is my job. You know, I'm seeing my friends. He's having a good time and we're talking now. I'm going to get down to business but people used to get out. We got to be where that bitch what the hell you laughing at out there. And then the Press would actually try to get evidentiary stuff before we did. Oh, I would go off on them. Like they would go to get the video that caught the shooting. Yeah, I'll be like dude. What are you doing? Yep? Oh, I want to slap the guy, you know, yeah that brings up another interesting thing. You're out here, you know doing your p's and q's on what you believe is. Homicide what happened and then all of a sudden they still could be collecting tapes. Yep, and you don't want to come up with a hypothesis. So this is this is the way it's done and then all of a sudden they tape comes out and it was like nothing like that, you know, well, you know that's changed homicide investigator investigation over all greatly is that there's video everywhere. Yeah, because now you have a point to start what gives you time stamps gives you all kinds of things. Yeah a video has really really changed the murder game between In DNA and video, I think it's kind of hard to get away with murder has anything cell phones to and cell phones cell phones the third. Yeah, I mean leave yourself own home. You want to do murder? Yeah, exactly. If you want to kill somebody attracting everywhere you go, you know, it's best to go out to the beach or the country or someplace way way far away take someone hunting. That's the easiest way to kill somebody. Yeah. I saw this could be the Scribe to especially nowadays. I mean if you if I had you on a case. And all of a sudden I can I can prove a pattern of you carrying yourself on everywhere. You never lost it you never left behind and all of a sudden today. You left your phone behind, you know for three hours. So I forget I'm saying you have to explain that. When did you notice that your cell phone was missing? Did you left it at home? Well, I got I got a burn it now officer will your case out of the water? So when you're watching TV and the TV and movies I said hard for you to watch whenever the medical examiner off it comes up and then and they're doing it wrong. Yeah, it just pisses me off it just especially when they have there was one of female medical examiner and she'd say I see dead people she would when she got near the body. She intuitively imagine. She see what happened to them. Come on. I was so ridiculous or they'd be like, you know sure bill that's an entrance wound from about 18 inches away. I love it and I see the trajectory is up into the Toward that that tree and if you look at that tree, I think you'll find a bullying bill, you know, probably that became a huge thing with something known as CSI effect. Absolutely and you know, it destroys jury pools because they think the police Can Do Magic shit that they can't do but they do it on TV. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you could you could you could shoot a guy in the middle of Fifth Avenue with 27 Witnesses three of them priests for them nuns and it goes to goes to trial and the jury says well, what about it? There's no DNA. Where's the DNA evidence the hell you talking about? There's no contact between them but people think you got to have DNA off of everything. If it's not there you didn't do it. Yeah, they think it absolutely no proof. They must not have done it. So that's yeah that that ruined a lot of people also because you work you also do some work as a consultant now on TV shows and stuff like that. I did I was a police consultant on the show. Do you give them the real answers? Oh, yeah, I never did. I wanted to stay on as a writer. Do you always believe it or not? This shows far-fetched. Anyway, it was going to be a great show because the the head writer was and the breckman and the show is based off of hocus-pocus a woman who could solve Crimes by reading handwriting. Oh, right. Yeah graphology. Yeah. She was she wrote a book. So I for 17 weeks I sat there and you know every time they wrote apart and they always ask me because this could this happen I would absolutely what are you kidding me? Because the writers the writing, you know, there was spending all week writing. I come in one day a week though you that kid had evaluate that and I think I'm gonna piss them off. They're gonna have to write more I figured this out real quick. So I have whatever they wrote. I was like, yeah that could happen. Yeah. No I can so I'm giving you advice for yeah, she Consulting work. He used the magic spray that tells you what kind of blood it was. Okay. Yeah. Look, we got a kick out of the luminol video. You will see that one the crime scene one. Yes without looking on the sweater. This firm is again. I think what are you guys gave that to me? It's a matter of fact that I think I know what kill excerpt EV every time first of all Law and Order when they make the arrest they always read Miranda Right on the scene. I cringe when I see that and the second thing is when the detective no matter how dangerous the seniors he goes in before ESU. Oh, yeah, that is like but you know, you would never allow that because the detectives got to go through the door first, you know, yeah, and that's doesn't happen. I consult with a lot of authors and mystery writers and a couple of TV shows. I did everybody's dying to develop a forensic game show. So they had me on three different shows where they have contestants investigating a scene and trying to come up with the answers, but it made no sense it just Make any sense these people they were like regular citizens. They didn't know what to ask. So they'd be like amateur sleuth. Yeah, they thought they knew a little something because talking about that the other day about an article that he read and it was written by somebody who basically was critiquing online detectives, right? Yeah. They do all their investigative work from the luxury of their living room. Right? Well there was that's how they do to me talking to people. So other people show and they were talking about the The guilt go through killings all that case. And yeah, it's amazing to me and it will touch upon that in the next hour. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. I mean you believe an hour went by they could know it's tough. But yet it's still unsolved. That's a crazy but you'll go. Oh, there's like ten bodies 11 times bodies and maybe more because they also there was Manorville bodies. Yeah, because and some of the bodies were found years before So that would dump job. Think about this case. We had I want to hear more about this is the best case there is all right. So we're going to start off with the next hour with Gil case. But in the meantime, we're going to take a break. I'm going to refill my mighty here and I want to thank you for sitting with us for the first hour. And then that would flew by was it hard? No, that was very easy. You guys like having the conversation imagine. We were drinking in a bar be the same thing. I have a funny feeling the second. I was going to be even better suited to take a break now.

Barbara Butcher is an expert in medicolegal death investigation and mass fatality management and is currently a consultant for medico-legal death investigation, working with forensic pathologists, attorneys, educators, television producers and mystery writers.She is now writing a book about her most interesting cases. She is the former Chief of Staff and Director of the Forensic Sciences Training Program at the NYC Office of Chief Medical Examiner, where she was responsible for Medicolegal Investigations, Disaster Planning, Fatality Management, WTC 9/11 Victim Recovery, Identifications, Evidence, and Missing Persons. As Deputy Director she coordinated the remains recovery effort after WTC 9/11 and helped manage the response to the crash of Flight 587 that resulted in 265 deaths, and investigated the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. In 2007 she consulted for the World Health Organization in Geneva, working with an international committee of experts to formulate policy and plans for mass casualty/fatality events. Following the 2004 Tsunami, she went to Thailand on behalf of W.H.O. to assist in Victim Identification strategies, and returned to speak on Fatality Management to an international audience convened by the United Nations and W.H.O. In 2011 the Hong Kong government invited her and OCME colleagues to put on a symposium in disaster management for more than 300 officials. As a medicolegal death investigator at OCME, she investigated more than 5500 death scenes and 680 homicides. She created the Forensic Sciences Training Program at OCME, a National Institute of Justice-funded academy for national training on best practices in death investigation.

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the fantasy free agents podcast. I'm your host Joe Dolan and it is Wednesday, August 21st. So it's a date early a day earlier than anticipated. But I will be talking to NFL films Legend Greg Cosell today. He is the senior producer of the ESPN matchup show on air Talent. They'll be returning week one to the ESPN networks family of networks. They're always one of the best shows if you love the science of football. I'm breaking down the film The Way Greg does and if you want to see the game through Greg's eyes with actual visual cues. Well, there you go. Watch the ESPN NFL matchup show as we've talked about and lamented with Greg for years. It is on at weird times, but we have this magical thing called DVR that you can use to make sure you never miss an edition of the matchup show and oftentimes some of the topics we're going to be covering on this podcast will be covered on the show. Greg will mention when he covered it on the show and you'll get to see everything in action that's going to be wonderful but we still have a couple weeks left of the preseason and as we've said before teams aren't doing anything interesting schematically right now. We are just evaluating the players and if you wanted to know how some of the players from last week did especially the quarterback position. That's what we focused on with Greg young quarterbacks. Second-year guys. Rookie guys, go back and listen to last week's podcast. It is up on our feed here. Udall the quarterback play from week one of the preseason but I sent out a call to action to the listeners last week and wanted to hear what some people wanted to know about maybe some of these under-the-radar fantasy guys that are getting the hype and that's what we're going to talk to Greg about this week. I sent him an email a little bit earlier in the week and he's going to do his personal evaluations of these players. Once again, he's going to relate to some of the things he saw in college because we're not looking at a ton of tape here from the preseason. But he's given them a look in the preseason. He's going to continue to watch these players for us and point out some interesting guys that we need to look for heading into the regular season. That'll be coming up in just a little bit Tom Brawley and I will be back on Friday. We're going to break down our rankings vis-à-vis the popular site rankings at Yahoo and ESPN. It's but it's become kind of a popular Topic in in fantasy football comparing site rankings against the PS and against the rankings where you can exploit them on the major site. So we're going to do that because well we have award-winning rankings up at Fantasy pros.com. Number one in two of the last four years number one overall over the last four years. We're very proud about that. So we're going to provide you with those rankings and we're going to provide you with that podcast on Friday Tom symons. Justin barns will be have dropping an IDP podcast this week. I've been really excited about how popular the IDP. Cast in the IDP rankings are they are a wonderful addition to our podcast family here at Fantasy free agents.com Tom Bradley and I will also be breaking down my nff see draft that I did last night Tuesday the 20th and it was a sharp room guys. It was the beat Joe Dolan contest in the Roto wire online Championship. It was drafted at 9:30 on Tuesday night. 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Greg Cosell from NFL films and the ESPN matchup show and Greg you and I were talking off air the first matchup shows a few weeks away, but you're already working on that and working on the scripts. Oh, yeah. I mean the first one, you know, the good thing about the first one the good and bad thing. I mean, obviously there's not real football yet this year, but there's a bunch of matchups some are rematches. I spent a lot of time this summer looking at At individual players and different schemes. So I even increased my familiarity with certain things. So, you know it we're able to kind of pick plays and that are very indicative and representative of teams and players. So we try to grind it out as early as we can spend a little more time and then of course it gets exciting, you know for me. I don't I'm sure you feel the same way Joe but week one once I have real NFL tape to look at, you know, we getting the Monday after the first Sunday at that really gets me excited. It gets us excited, too. Obviously when a whole offseason of analysis actually gets to come to a head and come to fruition. It's really exciting. But Greg these last couple weeks here are those of us in the fantasy industry. We're looking for just a little bit of an additional Edge. We don't want to overreact to positive or negative things from the preseason, but you do have to try to absorb them and put them in context last week you and I discussed the quarterback position. You have been dealing on those some of the some of the younger guys in the league the second-year guys some of the veterans who have been like Marcus Mariota who have been up and down. But today I wanted to take a little bit more of a unique approach. We're going to talk about some of the more under the radar fantasy players who are getting a little bit of hype here based on the preseason and I'm excited to get into this Greg and I know there's a little bit different positions here for us to go through. All right. Well, let's do it. I'm ready Joe. All right. Well, let's start Greg with the New England Patriots and I own the the problem with the Patriots wide receivers. Is there always seems to be a guy hyped up from training camp in the preseason every single year and the names like Ken Braille Tompkins and Brian Tim's come to mind guys who never really made him act in the way right now, but there's a guy young guy from NC State who is making an impact for them and is rising up the draft boards, and now people are considering what whether or not he's going to be a contributor this year because he's actually outplayed the first round pick. Nikhil Harry in Camp in the preseason that should Jacoby Myers and I know you mentioned to me off are last week that you would watch them. I'm wondering if you could give the people what you've seen from this Jacoby Meyers and what kind of player he might be. Yeah. I like Myers from what I've seen and I watched him some coming out as well. He was at NC State where they also had the other wide receiver Kelvin Harmon, but Myers, he looks to me like he could be a very effective big slot receiver. He's got an understanding of Route running. He's beating guys one-on-one. Inside he's got short area quickness. He's not an explosive vertical guy, but that's irrelevant and his running for catch. He's got strength and power and you know in that offense, it's far more predicated. When a lot of those what we call option routes Joyce routes working with throws that are under 10 yards and then run after catch and we know that the Patriots we've seen this for years with Julian Edelman. They do a great job with motion and stack Concepts to get receivers clean off the line of scrimmage and Myers looks to me like he kind of fits that mold now it is preseason. But we're talking about the traits and attributes of an individual player fitting into a system. That's pretty well defined over a number of years and in the rift Jacoby Myers, let's just say now we have a three-man receiving Corps or at least depending on what Myers does but we know who the two starters are going to be for the Patriots. It's going to be Julian Edelman and it's going to be Josh Gordon. Julian Edelman Greg in in your studies and what he's done over the years he has enough experience to play outside. You would think that much Meyers inside. Well, they do such a good job. I went through a ton of Edelman. Oh probably about two weeks ago and would they do a great job with him? He does play outside, but they'll often put them in motion and make him a stack player getting him those free releases. I'm sure a lot of people remember they SEC Championship game against the Chiefs and critical situations. They did just that at the chiefs were playing a lot of man and add almond wood motion behind whoever was in the slot at the time get him get him free access get him winning The Leverage battle right off the snap of the ball. I mean that's those are the kinds of things the Patriots do exceptionally. Well, so, you know, and and look I'm not saying Myers could never line up outside. We know the Patriots are not the Holden the way some teams are to a player can only do one thing, you know, they they create opportunities. For players to be able to do what they do. And so far Myers looks the part and Greg a couple weeks ago on the podcast. We talked about Josh Gordon. And you said he didn't look quite the same as he did six years ago. Well Greg, none of us. Look the same place. We did six years ago. It's just only the same as I did yesterday Joe, you know, I know I know how that feels Greg. I'm 33 right now. I've it's been downhill for me for the last 12 years. Well, I was once 33, but I can't remember. I can barely remember being 33 either and I'm 33 right now. I've been at NFL films longer than you've been alive Joe. Well, that's great. This is what we're dealing from. Where do you learn from experience now? Right. Right, right. I want to talk about Josh Gordon just a little bit because as you might imagine Greg the news that he has been reinstated. Well first and foremost, it's good news for him. And it's good news for football. I just love watching Gordon. I just hope he can stay cuz you know it you want the best players to play and he is one of their best players and although he might not be as explosive as Was in 2013. What does he give this offense that they lacked without? Well, first of all, he's a big receiver, you know, he certainly an outside receiver, which is you know, you'd always like that. I think he can line up as their x i so their single receiver to the boundary and you know, given the nature of the things they do a ton of play action with a lot of in Breaking routes. I mean, there's a lot of plays from last year where he basically ran the same things that Gronkowski would run though. As quick and Breakers and I think you'll see that because that's a major part of what they do. So and we'll see I mean, maybe maybe he'll gain some of that explosiveness back. You know, I wouldn't call him a highly refined route Runner, but I think you know, he's just a physically talented guy, you know, it'd be nice and who knows it be nice. If you could get back to somewhat of what he was because as I'm sure you remember for a couple years there you could make the argument that he The best receiver in football I'd love if he could get back to anywhere close to that level but he's obviously going to be a very important player for Fantasy Greg quickly before we move on from the Patriots Damien Harris had a big game this past week against the second-stringers now he was he was against the backups and he's probably still behind Sony Michel and James White, but they drafted this guy with a premium pick and when I questioned him and how does he fit what they do? Well, I think the Patriots are going to be a fascinating him to watch with what they do offensively because what Sony Michelle did down the stretch and the approach they took and now the drafting of Harrison the third round which is not a filler pick. Are they going to be a running football team first? I mean, he's your Damien Harris is your classic sustainer. He's a tough physical Runner. He's got Nach natural power. He's got enough wiggle to work away from the point of attack when demanded I really like them coming out and he doesn't have a ton of tread on his tires because of playing in Alabama, so I don't even think he carried more than a hundred. Fifty a hundred and sixty times in any of his years there. So when you look at the fact that they have Sony Michelle and Damien Harris who are somewhat similar stylistically in their downhill ability. You just wonder other Patriots going to essentially morph into a run first football team Greg. Let's go to a team that's definitely going to be a run first football team the Baltimore Ravens and he the one second-year quarterback. We didn't really talk about last week was Lamar Jackson. So I first want to lead off with what you've seen from him on the preseason tape thus far and And anything that's different from last year, you know, it's hard to say. I mean, you know, he's made a couple of throws. But again, it's so hard to get excited and say well look at the great Improvement. I wouldn't say that he's made any throws where you say. Wow, that that I'm really impressed with his Improvement. Now, you know, like I've said many times when I watched him as last year at Louisville. I actually thought he threw the ball. Well, he did not throw the ball. Well last year now that doesn't mean he's incapable of Throwing the ball well, but you know, I think with what they plan on doing with their run game and what they do with all kinds of formations and backfield actions, they'll be a lot of defined one read throws for him that will be predetermined by the design of the play because everything else about the play will cause hesitation and confusion in the second level of the defense and throws will be there. So again, I don't know if he's going to throw 40 touchdowns. I would doubt It but my guess is he'll probably be somewhat efficient and then they'll mix in some shot plate Concepts and hope that they can hit the big explosive plays off that Greg, you know, damn. Well that the Ravens ran more than 70 plays per game last year. That's number one in the NFL and even if they're not an explosive amazing offense, the more plays you run. There's more opportunities for Fantasy production and that brings me to the rookie running back fourth round pick. Oklahoma State just yep Hill and he is getting a lot of hype now. I like what Mark Ingram brings to this offense, but there are plenty of snaps here for multiple backs to get involved. How do you think he'll fits this offense? I think you fits really well because I think what you're going to get with that offense at times, of course, not every play is you going to get spread looks you're going to get a lighter boxes. You're going to get Jackson's running ability putting pressure on the defense and and impacting run support. I thought He'll coming out of Oklahoma state. Was it really intriguing Prospect? I mean, he's got really good running traits. There's a dynamic and electric field to his running at times the more I watched him the more I like them. He's Shifty. He's elusive. He's got creativity. He can generate big runs, you know, he's not going to be a quote-unquote feature back. That was really the question coming out of Oklahoma State because he was under five ten and under 200 pounds, but it's kind of a compliment in Kind of offense. I think that he can be a valuable piece and an explosive piece and one more player who people have been talking about is Mark Andrews the tight end because he hasn't played a ton of snaps with Lamar Jackson and the first team offense, but we know Nick Boyle is the blocker and this is going to be a team that's going to have a lot of a lot of heavy protections because they want to run the football they want they want to be almost kind of a finesse Power Team. I know that might be an oxymoron, but I know they're going to have Nick boiling there to block but what did you see from? Drew's last year and his connection with Lamar Jackson. You know, I think Andrews is a good receiving tight end. I think he'll fit this offense as well because again so much of this offense will be what did you probably call misdirection and deception and by that I don't mean gimmicks, but I mean so much backfield action the threat of Lamar Jackson running that puts definite pressures on a defense and I think when you're talking about a guy like Mark Andrews working between the hashes between the numbers as an Threat, he's got that kind of movement. I mean, he's not explosive in the way that lets say Travis Kelce is but he's got that kind of movement. He's not quite let's say a Jared Cook, but he certainly has enough movement to work at the intermediate levels. I remember last year. I think it was against the Chargers equal to 68 yard touchdown on a really well-designed shot play, you know, I think they can do those kinds of things with Mark Andrews. The question is how much he plays because they have Hayden Hearst as well and that's a big question for them. Only something that we're concerned about but he was the guy who had the connection with Jackson which is why we're intrigued Now Greg go into their division rival the Steelers applier who I know you've watched a little bit this preseason and is making a lot of waves is James Washington the second year wide receiver and he just looks a little more explosive to me. You know, it's funny when he came out of Oklahoma State you obviously made a lot of big plays long plays, but on tape to me, he didn't look like he'd be a true vertical threat in the league and I don't know whether he lost weight. I don't know, you know. Looks like to me at a good offseason probably as far as nutrition and weight training because he just looks a little Slimmer and and a little more explosive to me. And I think ultimately, you know, that's that's the kind of receiver. They would like him to be they've got a very intriguing receiving Corps because they've got some big bodied guys some guys who can run we know about Juju Smith Schuster who's just a really good receiver. I'm kind of fascinated by the whole thing with James, Washington. Donte Moncrief because as we've discussed many times Joe as you know, Moncrief is one of those guys that just looks like he should be really good and while he's had moments in the league, he's never quite gotten over that hump. I could not begin to speculate as to the reasons why but we'll see, you know, I don't think we know how the snaps will play out with a Moncrief or Washington. We just don't know I mean Ben Roethlisberger hasn't played and yeah Washington's been playing with the So I guess he is going to look more explosive against the backups, but explosiveness is something you thought he struggled with last year. Was there anything else that you thought he struggled with? Because I know Roethlisberger did call him out at one point last year. Yeah. Well, don't forget and then I actually had a chance to talk to her. I thought Swagger about this last summer believe it or not is you know, he's a guy James Washington who essentially lined up 98% of the snaps at Oklahoma State on the right side of the offensive formation. So when you get to the NFL, you know, you have to you can't just line up in one place. So there was a lot that he had to learn not only about receiving for him but then about coverages so he's still a work in progress and we'll see how that plays out. But he just looks a little different body type to me in a good way. The those of us who are concerned with Josh Allen's short to intermediate accuracy Greg and if you're not concerned with it, I'm wondering what you're looking at, but we know what kind of talent Josh Allen is, but I always thought Cole Beasley was kind of an interesting fit for them. Given Allen. In that area but it looked like in their second preseason game that the bills came out and made it a point to have Josh Allen Target Cole Beasley Target him often and if they had a little bit of a connection, what did you see on tape from that? Well, I and I thought that Josh made those throws pretty well. So, you know, I think that there was only one throw that I thought it still ended up being a first down. I think it was 9 yards on Third and five and I think the throw was a little low at Force Beasley to the ground which prevented run after catch but for the most part Part Josh me those throws well, and that's got to be a critical part of their offense because I tell you what you line Beasley up when he's number three two trips working inside his ability to run option routes Choice route often times. It could work against a linebacker doing that. I think that needs to be a meaningful part of their offense. Those are chain mover plays. They're not plays that make highlights but their chain mover plays and I think that's what's critical to the bills offense this year. Josh will hit some big plays. He'll run. Some big plays but it's these kinds of plays that seem like nothing plays Joe. Yeah that are absolutely critical not only to their offense but to their team because they've actually got a pretty good defense, you know, this is a team that could be pretty good if Josh Allen and again, we don't need him to be at 68% in Pro 40 touchdowns. He just needs to be able to move the change and be a little more consistent. How big a loss is Beasley for the Cowboys just flipping over I know they face. Signed Randall Cobb a signed copy. Yeah, but I would think at this point is Is basically almost a better fit for the Cowboys as well because cops find a he's been up and down recently. Yeah, I mean look, it was a couple of years ago that Beasley really looked like an important piece of what they did last year. He did not have the same numbers. He didn't did not seem to be as critical. You know, I think that that kind of receiver is always critical for a team because those kinds of slot receivers are chain movers. It's hard to get a feel for the Cowboys right now Prescott is not thrown. Many balls, I think he's thrown nine balls in the preseason. So you really don't have any feel for how they're receiving. Corps is going to play out Amari Cooper is not played now all of a sudden we hear he won't play it a week one, which is a little scary thought usually that means a guy might not played a week 3, you know, so we don't know we really have no idea what's going on there with their offense other than Tony Pollard is getting fitted for the gold jacket. Oh, yeah, he and Daniel Jones Greg. I saw him in care and this past week, but let's let's talk about 20. Because he's another one of these kind of mid to late round smaller for lack of a better term Gadget backs. We just talked about Justice Hill and we're going to get into Darwin Thompson as well. But what what do you like about Tony Pollard? And how does he fit this offense? Because I don't think the Cowboys can run their offense through him the way they do Zeke Elliott. Well, you know the Polish got very good abilities good-sized kid. He's never been a runner first. He wasn't in college. Anyway, I don't know about his high school career. But he's good sized. He's got some subtle shiftiness and confined space. He showed some finishing power. You know, the thing about running backs is there's a lot of backs with ability Joe the thing about being a true feature back in the NFL is there's a mindset that goes with that a mental and physical mindset. You know, Zeke Elliott to me was the best runner in the NFL and the thing about guys like that is they are really good in the fourth quarter of games because they have a mint Holiday that allows that I remember one point talking to a Damien thomlinson about that. So you have no idea about Tony Pollard if indeed this is the way it plays out. Yes, he's got ability. But is Tony Pollard going to be a guy that carries 1820 in a given week 25 26 times a game over the course of 16 games. There's no way anyone can answer that question. He's got no track record in that regard when you talk about an offense running through the I run game starting with the Run game Greg, you know as well as anybody almost nobody in the NFL runs the ball more than they throw it at this point, correct? I mean 45% run is a significant amount that in this day and age. That is correct. However, when you mention that team runs through the Run game starts with the Run game the way you have said the Cowboys do what does that mean from your perspective and tape study? Well, I mean from a tape study perspective. I don't know if it means anything, you know amazing. It's just I'll give you an example real quick example, like I think the Rams okay, I don't think their offense runs through girly in terms of the player. I think their offense runs through a back in the sense that they use the Run game as the foundation of everything they do from a conceptual. Standpoint another words the outside Zone run really does a great job in minimizing and limiting pass rush because D lineman not just linebackers now D lineman start to move laterally and they don't move up the old vertically to rush the quarterback. So I don't think that their offense is a function of Todd Gurley per se. I think it's a version of it's a it's what they do conceptually the Cowboys to me on the other hand. Are different their offense runs through Zeke Elliot. He's not used conceptually. He's used as the player. Let's give him the ball and everything will work off him and I think there's a difference. So in other words you think the Rams could run what they do with Daryl Henderson provided he's 75% of what girly is at his Peak the Cowboys cannot run what they do without Ezekiel Elliott. I would say that I'd lean in that direction, you know again, you know, it's always hard to make those definitive statements because there is speculation there and there's a pinion there but I would lean in that direction but having said that just as a matter of point of whatever with no inside information, I think that Jerry Jones right or wrong believes that Dak Prescott is on the verge of something big and that he is far far more. Oughtn't to the Cowboys than Ezekiel Elliott is so I think that he's not going to break the bank for Zeke and he will for deck and I mean you can argue the validity of that. He might well be right given the importance of the running back in today's game. I think I think he is right is as much as I love Zeke. I think that you know, it's the Cowboys had to line up with Zeke and Cooper rush. I don't think they'd be as good as if they had to line up with DAC and Alfred Morris and Tony Pollard, you know. But I don't think the Run game would be the same. Let's talk about another one of these a late-round back. She's getting a lot of Buzz Greg Darwin Thompson out of Utah State didn't get invited to the combine. But everybody is looking for that Andy Reid back that explosive back in this offense. And while he doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a feature back, he's making a lot of Splash place here in the preseason. Yeah, and he's a guy he's not very big that you know, that's the thing and so but but he's a very interesting player because he's a tough physical. All inside Runner despite his lack of desired size you ran really hard between the tackles and I would say despite his size. He's much more of an inside Runner than this catback type runner. In fact, I didn't think he had great perimeter quickness or speed, you know, it's not slower prodding. But you know, he didn't let's put it this way didn't strike me as let's say Brian Westbrook type player. I don't think he's at that level of player. I'm sure because it's Andy Reid some people probably see him that way and and you know, maybe he can be that to some degree in the context of that off. It's he did catch a 29-yard touchdown it you this year in the preseason to came on what we call a Texas route when he was offset in the backfield and he beat a linebacker, but I don't know if he's quite that explosive. It sounds to me like you're describing Phillip Lindsay. Honestly, don't forget. I know Lindsay had a great year last year, but he was also undrafted. So, you know, it's it's always hard to know that you know, obviously there's always guys who are either late round picks or undrafted who make it. It you know Lindsay's had one really good year as a rookie and we'll see what his career turns out to be but you know, who knows maybe there are similarities. Let's get to the Carolina Panthers. Great. We have a couple more teams. I want to get to and I want to get to them quickly Curtis Samuel and DJ more at the end of last year Greg. I'm not sure we saw exactly what these guys could do because cam was hurt. But yeah, both of these guys, especially Samuel or getting big time hype here in the preseason. What do you think Norv Turner? Do with these guys and could this be a really effective wide receiver pairing for cam? I think it could I think Samuels an explosive guy. I loved him coming out of Ohio State. He lined up all over for Io State including the backfield, but I thought he was a receiver in the NFL. He's you know, he has explosive traits more was that guy? I really really like now, I don't think he plays as fast as he ran at the combine. I think he ran a 4/4. I don't think it's necessarily that guy but I think he's You know in the context of a North koerner offense, I think he can work the intermediate areas really really effectively with a good-sized body get him a little stronger good run after catch. I think more could end up being one of those just really solid receivers, you know, and I think that they have those guys young guys Samuel 30 or more second year. I think it's a nice pairing because same you'll gives you the explosion and I think that more gives you the consistency in the short intermediate areas. More sounds like the classic X and Samuel the classic Z your you could be right, you know that does make sense and Harper relationship. Yeah, I mean obviously Samuels not as big as Harper, but I think Samuel is a movement guy and the Z is the movement guy because he's off the ball Greg. I know we do have to touch on this Kyler Murray the Cardinal offense looked really bad on Monday night don't want to freak out. I always point back to the preseason two years ago when DeShaun Watson looked terrible and to Shawn Kaiser look like he was going to be A Hall of Famer. We don't want to freak out but was there any concerns from what you saw what their offense? No, I mean first of all, I think that the Raiders said you know what you're not in the Big 12 anymore Cliff. So we're going to show you some stuff that you've never seen and it's going to pose a little bit of a problem and it did you know to me the biggest issue and the biggest challenge that college coaches face offensive coaches when they get to league is past protection and I think that look they want to get all five out all the time. They want to be Brad you know, they haven't shown what they're going to show we'll see about that when this regular season starts, but I think Kliff Kingsbury, he's gonna have to learn that in this league. He's not always going to get all five out. The team's defense is won't let him do that. I think that the wider splits of offensive lineman. I don't know if he can do that in the NFL. I think that that will cause pass protection issues. So we'll see what happens. I wouldn't put too much stock in what happened in the Raiders game. Well, you know, I think they open they open at home against the Lions which is to me a very interesting matchup because of Matt Patricia obviously coming from the Belichick school and we'll see about the receiving Corps, which I think is a little bit of a question mark and so is there all line I mean, you know, you got to protect in this league is as explosive as calamari is you can't spend every game just running around. I mean it's going to wear him down and once again, you can't game plan for that as well as you've always said, you know a great. We talked about it with Michael Vick Michael Vick would have games like he had against the Redskins where just everything worked well, but then you know, sometimes you go and you play the Vikings with Joe Webb and just everything goes wrong and you never know what quarterback you're going to get and I think Marie Greg, I know you love them too. I think he's going to overcome a lot of this but they might not be a good team year one know we'll see. We'll see how it plays out. I mean, like I said, I think Kliff Kingsbury you'll have some things that that he's gonna have to learn and look. I don't know Cliff never I met him maybe he's incredibly brilliant in three years or saying. Wow, you know, we don't know the answer to that but he was a college coach running a particular system. That's the system. He knows that's the system he teaches you'll have to make some tweaks to it in the leak Greg with the Seahawks. I remember last year you were one of the early adopters to hey, I know they drafted Rashad penny in the first round, but I think Chris Carson kind of fits what they do better lo and behold Carson has the big ear itself. It's what they do better. Yeah. Exactly and apparently penny is struggling here camp in the preseason. Have you seen that on film and Carson by the way for fantasy is moving up draft boards as Penny false here. Well, they're going to play the same way. I fensively so if Carson does not get hurt he's going to be the feature back in the foundation back and he'll get 250 plus carries and he'll probably do what he did last year because I think they have a pretty good ol line. And now that now that Mike Solari and his second years d-line coach. They're very well coached. I did not love Richard Penny coming out, you know, maybe See, I was in the minority. I didn't think that he was a physical inside Runner. I didn't think that he was he ran through contact or broke a lot of tackles and I think in this offense, that's what you have to do the key to this offense and it's white Carson were a Carson's not going to break 60-yard runs Joe that's not Carson. But what Carson will do is when it's locked for to who get 5 that's that offense, you know how difficult that offenses defend when Russell Wilson's constantly in second and five or third and three, that's a Really hard offense to defend and and that's really what they're about Greg one more player before we let you go. He hasn't been getting a lot of fantasy hype but somebody's going to catch the ball in Miami and the guy who's getting a lot of buzz in Camp is Preston Williams the undrafted. Oh, yeah. I remember watching him in car. Yeah. I remember watching him in college. I think he had some kind of issue but he had over 9000 acted stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't remember what it was. So I hope it's not the kind of thing that gets him suspended but big kid, you know, I think he's a contested catch guy not necessarily explosive, but you don't have to be you know, I he's a talented kid in the cunt EXT of today's NFL because of his size and his contested catch ability Greg one more thing before we go. We talked last week about the Eagles needing to add a backup quarterback, maybe not but they actually go out and signed Josh McCown. Yeah, and I know Eagle fans are really interested because when says missed a couple of games in each of the last Two seasons a can he still play but be and I think this is more important. What does he bring to the quarterback room got really good hair. That's what you've got. You know, I know that yeah. Well look Josh been in the league a long time. He's a smart guy. He can learn systems. I'm protecting. My guess is throughout his career. He's probably been in in a system like this. I can't remember every team. He's played for it's been seven or eight list of NFL teams Greg and and that's the S of T that he's probably you know, and this means something it's a cliche but it's true. He'll be great in the quarterback room. He knows his role. He can probably help Carson Wentz just you know in many different ways if he has to play look was it two years ago? I believe it was the year before Donald got there. He actually played very well. So, you know, I think that they probably brought him in because such felled and you know, maybe they found out and they that he won't be ready till week five or six and you know, they Look, they have a really good team with a really good roster. Unfortunately, we you never know about went once there's a high high level talent, but the Eagles don't want to lose games just if went can't go for two or three weeks because their rosters pretty good and and rightfully so they see themselves as a Super Bowl team Greg. Thank you so much for joining us. I thought this was an enlightening podcast talking about some of the Lesser highlighted players Greg will get back with you next week. I know this is typically the dress rehearsal. Weak teams just aren't playing guys. And I don't know if that will continue this week Punk named. Well, you know, but you're right we'll find that out. I mean teams are so worried about guys getting hurt. So we'll see. You know, I'm going to Eagles game tomorrow night. I you know, they still haven't said anything about Carson Wentz. He might not play One Snap in the preseason. Yeah. So I mean and what the one thing I do think is will get an extended look at some of these rookies as they try to get more snaps and will filter through which of those guys actually played some meaningful snaps and we'll talk to you next week, right? Thank you for joining us. To appreciate it. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast. 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Last week, I think we did what Greg Cosell does best what he's known for breaking down the quarterbacks, but I also think he does a great job with some of these under the radar players because he studies everyone coming out of college. So even if he really hasn't looked at a guy in the NFL he has an idea of what the guy was from his college tape, and I thought this was a particularly enlightening podcast with some of these under the radar fantasy players who are getting some late hype and with the Advent of the 0 RB draft method or a modified 0 RB draft method some of these late-round backs like a Tony Pollard a Darwin Thompson a Justice Hill one of these guys is going to make an impact. Maybe it's somebody we haven't even talked about on the podcast who who is going to be able to make an impact a little bit later, but it's always important to know who these guys are. We even mentioned Preston Williams briefly from Miami at the end of the podcast. So it's not just the quarterbacks Greg knows it's everybody. And if I did an offensive line focused podcast he would deal on that too. It's just a wonderful resource and it's amazing to have Greg Cosell with us each and every week. Once again. Typically he's going to be with us on Thursdays but being with us on Wednesday this week because he is a very busy man as he said he was working already on the NFL matchup show. I wanted to get this podcast out to the people Greg will be with us next week to recap those quote unquote dress rehearsal games. I don't think anybody's going to be playing their starters into the third quarter the way they used to but maybe we'll get a little bit more of a glimpse of some of these rookie quarterback some of these younger players some of these second-year quarterback says we look for them to make a leap going into the 2019 season filtering Greg's analysis through the lens of fantasy is one of the things that I'm most excited about this podcast and I really hope you guys are very excited about it, too. I want to remind people that Tom Brawley is drafting in the nff. See wrote a wire online championship. Next Tuesday at 9:30 p.m. Eastern the spots are going quick. If you want to beat Tom have a chance at a two hundred thousand dollar grand prize check the show notes reach out to us on Twitter and we'll talk you through the process. That will be a lot of fun. 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Seeing what wrongs he intended to write grievances to redress Injustice has to repair abuse is to remove and duties to discharge. So without giving notice of his intention to anyone and without anybody seeing him. One morning before the dawning of the day. Which was one of the hottest of the month of July. he donned his suit of armor mounted rocinante with his patched-up helmet braced his buckler took his lands and by the back door of the yard sallied forth upon the plain in the highest contentment with the greatest satisfaction at seeing with what he's he had made beginning with his purpose But scarcely did he find himself upon the open plain? When a terrible thought struck him one all but enough to make him abandon the Enterprise at the very outset it occurred to him that he had not been dubbed tonight and that according to the law of she Lori. He neither could nor Aunt bear arms against any other night and that even if he had been still As I noticed night to wear white armor without a device upon the shield until by his prowess. He had earned one. These Reflections made him Weaver in his purpose, but his grace being stronger than any reasoning. He made up his mind to have himself to up tonight. But the first he came across. He would follow the example of others in the same case as he had read in the books that brought him to this pass. As for white armor, he resolved on the first opportunity. To scour his until it was wider than inner mind and so comforting himself. He pursued this way taking that which is horse shows for he believed this is where the essence of Adventures lay. Thus setting out her new fledged Adventure based along talking to himself and saying who knows but that in time to come when the voracious history of my famous Deeds is made known the sage who writes it when he has to set forth my first Sally in the early morning. I'll do after this fashion scarce had the little birds of painted plumage a tune their notes to hail with dulcet and mellifluous Harmony in the coming of the rosy Dawn that deserting the soft couch of her jealous spouse was appearing to Mortals at the gates and balconies of the men should gone Horizon. When the renowned night Don Quixote of La Mancha quitting the lazy down mounted his celebrated Steed rocinante and began to Traverse the ancient and famous Campo Dei Monti L, which in fact he was actually traversing. Happy the age. Happy that time he said aloud in which shall be made known my Deeds vain. Worthy to be molded in brass carved in Marble lined and pictures for memorial for ever. And oh Osage magician, whoever Thou Art to whom it shall fall to be the chronicler of this wonderous history. Forget not I entreat thee my God rocinante the constant companion of my ways and wanderings. Presently he broke out again as if he were loves tricking in earnest. Oh princess dulcinea lady with this captive Heart the Grievous wrong as thou done to drive me forth with scorn and with inexorable up to her and see banished me from the presence of your beauty. Oh lady Dane to hold and Remembrance This Heart by vassal that thus an English Pines For the Love of Thee. And so he went on stringing together these and other absurdities all in the style of those his books had taught him imitating their language as well as he could and all the while he wrote so slowly. And the sun mounted so rapidly and with such fervor that it was enough to melt his brains if he had any. Nearly all day. He traveled without anything remarkable happening at which he was in great despair. He was anxious to encounter someone at once upon whom to try the might of his strong arm. Writers there are who say the first Adventure he met was that appear to Allah peace others say it was that of the windmills. But what I have ascertained on this point and what I have found written in the annals of La Mancha. Is that he was on the road all day and towards Nightfall his hack and he found themselves dead tired and hungry. They anxiously searched all around to see if he could discover any Castle or Shepherd Shanty where he might refresh himself and relieve his sword once He perceived not far out of his road and in which was as welcome as a star guiding him to the portals if not the Palaces of his Redemption. And quickening his Pace. He reached it just as night was setting in. At the door, we're standing two young women girls of the district as they call them on their way to Seville with some carriers who had chance to Halt that night at that is and as happens what might to our adventure anything he saw or imagined seem to be and to happen. After the fashion of Buddy and red. The moment he saw the end. He pictured it to himself as a castle with its form turrets and Pinnacles of shining silver. Not forgetting the drawbridge and moat and all the belongings usually ascribed to castles of the sort. To the sin which seemed to him the castle he Advanced and at a short distance from it. He checked rocinante hoping that some dwarf would show himself upon the battlements. By the sound of trumpet you have noticed that a night was approaching the castle. But seeing that they were slow about it and that rocinante was in a hurry to reach the stable he made for the indoor and he perceived the two beautiful damsels standing there and it seemed to him to be too Fair maidens or lovely ladies. Taking their he's at the castle gate at this moment. It's so happened that a swineherd who was going through the stubbles collecting and drove a pig's for without any apology. That is what they are called and gave a blast of his horn to bring them together and forth with it seemed to Don Quixote to be what he was expecting. the signal of some dwarf announcing his arrival and so with prodigious satisfaction, he wrote up to the end and to the ladies who upon seeing a man of this sort of approaching them in full armor and look at my aunt's and buckler turned and dismay toward the end when Don Quixote guessing Their Fear by their flight raised his pasteboard visor disclosed his Dusty Try this Edge and with courteous bearing and gentle voice addressed them. Your ladyship's need not fly or fear any rudeness for that. It belongs not to the order of Knighthood, which I professed offer to anyone. Much less Highborn maidens as your appearance for claims you to be the girls were looking at him and straining their eyes to make out the features, which the clumsy lies are obscured when they heard themselves called maidens the things so much out of their lives. They could not restrain their laughter. Spain Don Quixote wax indicted and say modesty becomes the fair and moreover laughter that has little caused his great silliness. this however I see not to pain or anger you for my desire is none other than to serve you the incomprehensible language and the unpromising looks of our Cavalier only increased the ladies laughter and that increased his irritation and matters might not have gone further if at that moment the landlord had not come out. The landlord being very fat man was also very peaceful one. He seeing the grotesque figure clad in armor that did not match any more than his saddle. Brindle Lance buckler or corselet was not at all indisposed to join the damsels in their manifestations of amusement. But in truth standing in awe of such a complicated Armament, he thought it best to speak him fairly. So he said senior Caballero if your worship once lodging beating the bed for there is not in the end. There is plenty of everything else here. Don Quixote observing the respectful bearing of the decade of the Fortress for so Innkeeper and in seemed in his eyes read answer, sir caste on for me anything will suffice. My armor is my only wear. My only rest is The Fray. The host fancied he called him caste on because he took him for am worthy of Castile. Although he was in fact and delusion and one from this strand of Saint Luke are as crafty a thief is caucus and is full of Tricks as a student or a page in that case said he Your bed is on flinty rock your sleep to watch all the way. And if so, you may Dismount and safely reckon upon any quantity of sleeplessness and you may stay under this roof for a twelfth month and not only for one single night. So saying he Advanced old the Stirrup for Don Quixote who got down with great difficulty and exertion for hid not broken his fast all day and then charge the host to take great care of his horse. As he was the best but in flesh that ever ate bread in this world. The landlord eyed him over but did not find him as good as Don Quixote said nor even half as good putting him up on the staple. He returned to see what might be wanted by his guests whom the damsels who had by this time made their peace with him. We're now relieving of his armor. They had taken off his breastplate and back piece. But they neither knew nor saw how to open his gorget remove his makeshift helmet for he had fastened it in with green ribbons, which as there was no untying the knots required being cut. This however, he would not by any means consent to. So he remained all the evening with his helmet on the draw list an artist figure that can be imagines. And while they were removing his armor taking baggages who were about it for ladies of high degree belonging to the castle. He said to them with great sprightliness own never surely was there night. So served by hand of Dame's as served. Was he Don Quixote height when from his town he came. With maidens waiting on himself and princesses on his hack all rocinante for that. Lady's mine is my artist name. And Don Quixote of La Mancha is my no for though. I had no intention of declaring myself until my achievements in your service and honor had made me known. The necessity of adopting that old Ballad of Lancelot to the present occasion has given you the knowledge of my name altogether prematurely. A time however will come for your ladyship's to command me to obey. And then the mind of my arm won't show my desire to serve you the girls who are not used to hearing rhetoric of this sort had nothing to say in reply. They only asked him if he wanted anything to eat. I would gladly eat a bit of something said Don Quixote for I feel it would come very seasonably. The day happened to be a Friday and in the hole in there was nothing but some pieces of the fish. They called in Castile up a dado and in some places kerra Dio and another's true Outlet. So they asked him if he thought he could eat trout lids for there was no other fish to give him. If there be true Outlets enough, he said they will be the same thing as a drought for it is all one to me whether I am given eight reels in small change or a piece of eight. It may also be that these trout limits are like feel which is better than beef or kid, which is better than goat. But whatever it be let it come quickly. With the burden and pressure of arms cannot be born without support to the inside. The girls laid a table for him at the door of the Inn for the sake of the air and the host bought him a portion of ill soaked and worse cooked stock fish and a piece of bread as black and moldy as his own armor. But a laughable site it was to see him eating for having his helmet on in the beaver. He could not with his own hands put anything into his mouth unless someone else placed it there. And this was one of the services the ladies rendered for him. But to give him anything to drink was impossible or not have been so had not the landlord boorda read and putting one end in his mouth pour the wine into him all of which he bore with patients rather than sever the ribbons on his helmet. While this was going on there came up to the in a Cell Gilder, who as he approached sounded his reed pipe five times this completely convinced Don Quixote that he was in some famous castle. And that they were regaling him with music and that the stock fish really was Trout the bread the widest The winch's Reel ladies and the landlord the caste on the castle. And consequently he held that his Enterprise and Sally had been to some purpose. But still it is stressed him to think he had not been dubbed the night for it was plain to him. He could not lawfully engage in any Adventure without receiving the order of night. I miss my darling and so I reading of chapter 2. And I hope that you are relaxed. You may fall asleep. sweet dreams creepy tree Good night.

ASMR reading of Don Quixote, soft spoken and whisper. Ingenious Gentleman Sir Quixote of La Mancha, was written by Miguel de Cervantes in two parts between 1605 and 1615. It is considered one of the most influential works from the Spanish Golden Age and frequently appears on any list of he greatest works of fiction ever published. The story of Don Quixote follows the adventures of a noble man named Alonso Quixano who was brought up reading books about romance and chivalry. He has a bit of a mental breakdown and wants *to revive chivalry by becoming a knight-errant under the name Don Quixote. Sancho Panza is recruited as his squire and acts as the funny sidekick in the face of Don Quixote’s more errant ramblings. The primary theme, that individuals can be right while society is wrong, still exist as a poignant social commentary on idealism and chivalrous choices.

This is optimal living daily episode 1335 8 things you should fight for every day by Mark chernov of Mark and Angel.com and I'm just a molecule personal narrator reading blogs to you. Mostly sometimes books anything that I think will help you live your life in a more meaningful way before we get to it. Thank you to Gusto for their support. It can be a lot of fun being a small business owner. I love it. But some parts of the business can be confusing and complicated like filing. Has and running payroll. I hate it. It's one of my least favorite parts of being an entrepreneur personally, but that's where it Gusto comes in. I use it Augusto makes payroll taxes and H are actually easy for small businesses. Their payroll processing is simple and super fast. You can easily provide benefits and access expert HR Support all in one place even better Gusto can automatically pay and file your federal state and local taxes so that you don't have to worry about it. 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Goals of magnitude you will dream of the strength you found within yourself that allowed you to achieve what once seemed impossible don't do what's easy do what you're capable of Astound yourself with your own greatness. Number two honesty and Truth personal transformation and growth can be remarkably rewarding but only when the process of change is based on honesty and Truth when you're not being authentic somewhere in your life or with someone in your life and Time to transformation eventually leads to anger and frustration the truth always creeps back up on you. It does not cease to exist when you ignore it being fake about any aspect of your existence slowly digs a Dark Void in your soul life will simply not work for you. If you don't show up as you the truth may not be easy to deal with but it will always set you free in the end read The Four Agreements. Number three a mind free of envy and jealousy envy and jealousy are costly diseases. You simply can't be yourself within their confines. When you give in to them the price you pay is steep a bad mood and unproductive mind an inferiority complex and are chronic migraine headache being envious of what someone else has is like drinking poison and waiting for it to somehow improve your situation likewise tearing someone else down in you're jealous, mate. And only tears you down in real life rather than devastating yourself with contemplations of things. You don't have or don't want to happen think for a second about what you do have what you do want going forward and what you can do right now to make progress with the realities you face number for positive change when you're in a situation, you don't want to be in the prospect of making any change at all can be very appealing yet unfocus change for the sake of change won't necessarily. We bring you forward when you use your time and energy to make a change. Be sure to change that will not only move you away from where you are, but will also move you to a better place realizing that you need to make a change can be a great source of motivation. But in order for this motivation to create positive change, you must apply it toward creating things of value. Don't fight against what you don't want create what you do want don't punish those who have caused you pain let go and focus on something new that Soothes your pain don't focus on what you are running away from give your attention to the great things. You want to create in your life number five a willingness to learn from mistakes one mistake does not have to rule your entire life in a can't unless you let it this hour is a brand-new hour with no Faults in it yet think about your mistakes and learn from them, but don't attempt to carry their weight around with you. The road to success is littered with mistakes. Avoiding them is impossible. The thing that will ultimately Define your success or failure will not be how many mistakes you make but how you handle them. All the bottom line is that all mistakes die quickly, but you can't live beyond what you know today if you aren't willing to make mistakes and forgive yourself for them read the untethered Soul number six persistence and patience before you give up. Think about how unfortunate it would be if the results you have worked to achieve require just a tiny dose of additional effort. Disheartening would it be if the train you've been waiting for arrived five minutes after you walked out of the station not only does success required diligent effort. It requires persistence and patience rest when you are tired, but don't quit. You. Never know. What's just around the corner. It could be everything you've been working for or it might be just another mile marker on your journey. Either way when you keep putting one foot in front of the other one day the next step you take will be the one that carries you to your goal. Number 7 true love there's no soul mate out there who will solve all your problems. There is no love at first sight that last without work and commitment but there is someone out there worth fighting for not because they're perfect. But because they're imperfect and all the ways that are right for you you complement each other's flaws in a way that allows your to Spears to unite and operate more efficiently as one you will know when you meet this person when through them you meet the very best. In yourself read 1000 little things in Number 8 Goodwill, there is no greatness or Peace of Mind where there's betrayal of your own good will always aim at complete sincerity of your thoughts words and deeds if it is wrong don't do it. If it is untrue don't repeat it do what you do because you believe it's the right thing to do do the right thing. Even when nobody is looking be one of the people who make a true difference in the world by leaving it a little better. Her and more wholesome than you found it. You just listen to The Post titled eat things. You should fight for every day by Mark sure enough of Mark and Angel.com. I'll keep this short before we go. Don't forget to try Augusto listeners get three months free when they run their first payroll try a demo and see for yourself Augusto.com old that's gu sto.com / o LD for free demo. Thank you for being here. Have a great rest of your day and I'll see you tomorrow where your optimal life awaits.

Marc Chernoff of Marc and Angel Hack Life shares 8 things you should fight for every day. Episode 1335: 8 Things You Should Fight for Every Day by Marc Chernoff of Marc And Angel on Personal Development Goals    Marc and Angel Chernoff are New York Times bestselling authors, professional coaches, full-time students of life, admirers of the human spirit, and have been recognized by Forbes as having "one of the most popular personal development blogs." Through their blog, book, course and coaching, they've spent the past decade writing about and teaching proven strategies for finding lasting happiness, success, love and peace. Marc and Angel's New York Times bestselling book, Getting Back to Happy: Change Your Thoughts, Change Your Reality, and Turn Your Trials into Triumphs, is a guide to spark sustainable action - and to return to whenever needed. It's available online at http://www.marcandangel.com/book/ and on Amazon. The original post is located here: http://www.marcandangel.com/2013/03/06/8-things-you-should-fight-for-every-day/     Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! Gusto is making payroll, benefits, and HR easy for small businesses. Get 3 months free once you run your first payroll with our link: Gusto.com/OLD --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/optimal-living-daily/support

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Awesome, you know people when they go on these type of vacations, it's like, oh we gotta go in this excursion. And get up hurry. We got to be here like fuck that right? I got go there to relax not, you know be fucking like worried about being on somebody else's schedule for something. So yeah. Sure. Yeah. Well, I just I mean not in again like nothing wrong with people want to do that. I'm just that's not me. I don't know not up for that activity fuck. No it was young married. My girlfriend's friend of hers. Oh cool the she knows from she works with this. Group called The Unusual Suspects ever tell you about that I ever heard about it. It's like the help they put on like Productions like plays and they go into like underserved communities and like even into like Juvenile Detention halls and and work with kids, you know, and and they at the end of it there's a big play and like everyone comes and it's great. Oh, wow. That's yeah. Yeah, and it's really cool to see the the CDs parents, you know, all these parents so proud of their kids and how you know, even the kids, you know, just to see them get up there and overcome like a lot of things like shyness or just shit like that. Yeah, of course you mentioned on one of our passions that you worked you did something with them along the lines of that as well. Yeah. So anyway, she knows it from there. I'm not real big on destination wedding, but it was so nice and relaxing. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, what else fuck? I don't know you but I watch Smackdown while I was there because you know my NXT people, of course, there was real proud everybody. Absolutely for everyone. Yes, Michelle stepped up to the plate and you know, The swing and everyone got on base. Yeah, the one you know that knocked out of the park little bit actually going to be honest about things and and then the people are into it and so I was watching a little bit last night mate because so I have Hulu Plus live TV now, okay instead of slang but here's the problem with that. I just sling man. It was just one problem after another with them. Hmm. But the problem with Hulu is is the feed as the East Coast like it's I don't get I can't watch it live. That's where I live. I have to watch her get this time zone. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so I'm looking at Twitter and seeing the everything I missed. That's always the worst. I hate not watching something live. Like I'm in that zone now we're before this was so easy. I obviously I would always watch you know, the west coast feed but now I feel like I have fomo when I'm seeing everything happen on Twitter. Her and you know, you can't be part of that. Yeah, so and I read a couple people's comments on Twitter. This isn't getting over like it did last week and I'm like, oh, that's the Rocks. Yeah. It's like it's just not you know, and then I actually went and I watch a bit of it. Once it finally came on here in our market, right? And I was like, yeah, the crowd is fucking dead. It's almost like a fucking Nassau Coliseum crowd and then I looked up see where they were Nassau Coliseum. No, the crowd was dead. Pretty much higher show Dad in a Nassau Coliseum. Trust me for years all the venues in the New York City Market the Meadowlands just fine. The garden can be hard sometimes but still they get there with it, man, and they bring it fuckin asshole calls him. I don't know what the fuck is up with that crowd forever, man. Oh, nope. They're too cool for school. Cool, they don't want to you know, you know react to things. I just don't know but it's always been like that always and and I mean obviously, you know, the, you know, the reactions picked up a bit when you know, there are people that everyone's real used to seeing the real big red, but like, you know, For instance. What was it? Who's the guy that Mexican guy real good-looking kid their bachelor number two. Koreas. Yeah, who was he working with it straight profits. Yeah. Yeah him and the prophets against AJ Styles and Gallows and Anderson. Yeah, and so like the crowd not being into it that like affected my viewing pleasure. Right, right, you know, that's how I felt for the Cedric Alexander buddy Murphy match. That was when I really noticed it, but the thing that I the reason why I thought that the crowd was not really all there for that was because I felt that they were expecting a show. More similar to smack down and it was different with raw today. You know, they had you know some moments with NXT, but I think they were expecting more of the Takeover life. They had with Smackdown. So I thought maybe that was part of the reason but kind of Merlino. Yeah, it could be fun too. But on top of that it had to be a Nassau Coliseum. Yeah, right. Right, right. There is a few pops. Obviously when Triple H came out and they had the NXT chants. But other than that there was nothing else that was really sold it given the Brock Lesnar stuff. I thought was really good. Good at the top of the show, but it wasn't as well received in terms of like there was some really good. There are some crazy one-liners that Paul Heyman had on the show, you know it with the King and then when he called the the roster the b word and all of that so there were some moments there that you would expect some larger Pops that maybe weren't received. Yeah. Yeah, and I think I don't know. I think there's there's a million different reasons, but part of it I think is as far as the NXT stuff I think to a certain degree of like that's already It's already kind of you know, now that we've seen that on Smackdown. I think some of that freshness may have may have been lost a little bit now people might have been expecting it. Whereas on Friday. No one's surprise. Yeah exactly like on Friday. No one really kind of knew what to expect. But but yeah, how did you feel about the ending to SmackDown when Triple H basically sort of use the bowl out of the promo the right right. Call your friend call you blood. Yes. Yeah, I mean obviously You know that kind of stuff is a kind of neat, you know, and the people all knew exactly what that was. And so yeah, you know, I mean, obviously Yeah, it was nice because it as like an evolution, you know where you go back and you think about it and we had just talked about it recently on the show. So you sort of just see that Evolution from you know that moment to you know, now where he's leading, you know NXT and it really feels like you know, this is one of the things that I liked or kind of a moment for her exactly. He said that because it was it was a mint mint that and so like that's what was that was the coolest part about that like as you know, he Connected it to to that and so yeah, you know fucking am I supposed to say well I just figured you'd be watching be like, yeah, you know like yeah, it's a nice moment. Yeah, but I don't like to be that guy. I see that part right there. That's what that's about me. You know, just yeah. Well a lot of people were doing it for you online. I think yeah, so all right. Yeah, what are we doing today? All right. Well today we're If sewing so we're going back and we're talking about your time. We're talking about your time both in UWF. And the best of The Super Juniors. It's so are we going to clarify because there was a couple you wwf's at the time you Wi-Fi which was the shooter promotion or there was UWF. I hadn't hadn't come into existence yet. It was like sure they might have I'll fuck actually they did. But it was UWF was their original like tiger mask group that would tiger mask left New Japan, you know the history of that at all, roughly. Okay, and so they're in so this guy his name is Hisashi Shima. He was in this past Year's Hall of Fame. He was inducted the Legacy, you know. Most inductions they throw in you know, I'm talking about right so he was he was inducted into that and he's a big part of New Japan over the years and a kind of a business partner type with an Okie, but he broke up and he started this UWF with with with tiger mask with with syama and you know, they brought up more realistic style and Karl gotch was there and teaching, you know teaching all those guys. Guys, and you know everybody that came in and Russell there was supposed to have you know, a legit background of some kind and it but although some guys did like I think even Dutch mantell like I'm really getting off into the weeds here. But anyways, I won't go into that anyways, so it it had a pretty good amount of popularity, but it still died off and And then later again, you know the UWF reformed with a cure my dad, you know about him, right and then he started when it rings later on but I care my ETA is a guy that he was a frustrated New Japan heavyweight and then a lot of guys felt like they were being held back by you know, they are no keys and then Cho shoes and guys like that. Hmm. How much I had to do with him doing this but my ETA like he blindsided choshu with a kick when till she had like the Scorpion on somebody and like crossed his orbital bones like the anyways and then laughed and they restarted UWF got it. Why am I telling this part of the story? So there's that UWF all that to say there's that UWF that was submission style. And then so Shima the the old man. I was telling you about no disrespect. He's an older gentleman. This UWF I'm talking about was actually more commonly known as universal Pro, right? That's what I was when I was listening to you and we talked about it. I was a little confused on that as to why you guys were referring to it as universal Pro. So there's the UWF name was used. I'm assuming because it was still the Chimas. It was the son of his Sashi shin-bi. His name is his SATs nay and he was just like Really big tyke nice guy, but such a mark and huge Mark for Lucha huge Mark. So that's where all this came from. Hamada was the original main Japanese star, I'll ground Hamada. Well because it was also referred to as a grand modest UWF, correct? Yeah, right. Yeah. So I mean that's and and it's where Ultimo Dragon gained his is initial popularity as Just without the mask as you know Shiro acai, right? I was going to say that there was you know, essentially one of the really the first Lucha style promotions in Japan that featured dr. Wagner jr. Silver King L Tejano, Los Vinos, and then they had the up and coming Talent like Ultimo Dragon gado taka michinoku and so on. So it was pretty interesting to see like, you know, all these people that would eventually you know, yeah, so like the their younger Japanese talent that they eventually We you know, well the answer left and michinoku pro and this that and the other company but you know, so the the young Japanese guys were like you were saying is gate on Jada. They were called Bulldog Katie. Anyways, they had these weird names in these mullet Mohawks and you know, they were big huge like American wrestling fan like gate out here. Big-time American wrestling fan anyways, so those guys Massa michinoku who is great Sasuke hmm without the mask and bless his heart. I give you ever seen him without the mask. You'll know why he was one now. I started know to laugh or not. You know, that's sad. I don't think he looks in the mirror and goes Damn, you're handsome. Look at motherfucker. So yeah, so I you can also sorry I know it's all right. No, no, it's fine. Monkey. Magic Wakita who later became super Delphine and he wasn't wrestling yet when I was there, but he was a young boy and it was shinozaki who was a cushy mmm. and and even some other are you know men's Te'o Fuck I don't know a lot guys. Right, right. No. Oh, yeah dick Togo my first match ever. Anyways, I'll show you going so, you know, basically with this promotion this help lead, you know, open the doors for you know, what would become later on like Dragon Gate for example, Montour you mod as well. So it's very interesting to sort of see how you know, basically you had all of these guys under this one roof. And then you know, everybody made a name for themselves whether it be in Japan Mexico or the us but this guy know we sort of talked about this, you know, And passions but just for the sakes of this show how you got brought on to this and you know, your first tour Because I'm Happy. How many tours did you do in general my God quite a few actually. Okay, it seemed like what about once a month? I was going over there. Okay, and you were you are what you were, you know you were you weren't you the first one. I think you were 19, correct? You are still at GW f for the first was still the gwf heavyweight champion. So yeah, let's kind of talk about how that first all came together then go and kind of go from there. So I was doing GW. UF right, yeah, and anyways there's a gentleman and he's in one of the pictures that were going to show actually no, he's not in that one but there's a guy he's a rat he was a referee in the Minnesota area and also a photographer took pictures for like Japanese magazines and stuff and he is also the cousin of Gary just ER who's a famous NWA promoter Like local / like promote. He was the guy that promoted the town's. Okay. We should WCW that was the picture. We showed a few weeks ago right with you and Jerry Lynn. Yeah. Yeah that was in that picture. Yeah. So I've already talked about so Bruce kreitzman and anyway, so while Yamaguchi was coming through town and his wife his wife Wrestled a little bit. And anyways, he came to town and right at that time. I was still the gwf that was still the champion. I studied the belt and everything, but they had called and told me they couldn't pay me anymore. I had a guaranteed contract for $300 a week, which was my pay that that was my nightly paid. So I was at least getting one one night's pay every week. So they told me I couldn't pay me anymore and like even though it's like 300 bucks like that's still help pay the bills. So I need to fuck pay the bills somehow. I can't remember exactly how it all came together. There but Wally happened to be in town and was like, hey, you wanna come to Japan like real last minute and I wasn't I wasn't advertised or anything for this tour. I was just I come and have this one match in Cork and Hall and head itches anyway, so Yeah, we're in it was a thousand dollars whether it was like one show or for the week thousand dollars and when you're over there for a week at thousand dollars. I know people go like it down dollars. It's not you know, I mean and at the time it was obviously a lot more than the thousand dollars is now be sure. We get like $100 to beginning and that was what we had to spend for the for the make your per diem. Yeah, try to make that last for a week is just almost it's almost impossible, right but Yeah, so yeah, I went over there and I didn't realize I did high-flying stuff. Obviously you've seen some of the matches I had back then and but I wasn't a Lucha guy, you know, actually more like to Japanese and even a bit of submission stuff I was still doing but anyways, they put me in a match with he was called gantetsu suck a key. The tide but it's people now and now is Dick Togo. And I actually them up like I was pretty stiff and there I was really kind of nervous. I'm so nervous. I had a wedding band. I'm and take off that's a big deal. But you know because people just do that anyways, but wow, that's that's that's gado actually right there in that to know that it's is that I think that's six. That's dick Togo now. Yeah. Wow shit. So yeah, he gave me a great match and I did like all this stuff flew outside the rain couple different times and he caught me grey like then I gave him a tombstone pile driver to a table Shack with no one did that right step and it was this little one up you ever watch wrestling from Japan. They have these little really narrow tables and like all I can't believe I ended up pulling it off. But yeah, I gave him that Bro, you know put them through table got back in one by count-out which usually is a shitty now, but they dug get this. Yeah after a tombstone through a table. It's yeah, so they have me stay and and then I worked with him every night what on the rest of the tour before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify you can listen All of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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Because I did want to mention some of the things that you did talk about with family with that you talked about sleeping on the floor the long bus rides want to kind of dive into that. Yeah. Yeah, it was stopped because I mean the show the it was a small company and you know, it was respected, you know people respected it because it had a lot of great. Great talent, you know because I mean, you know got dos caras was there, you know Santo blue demon jr. I mean the Legends or something like the guys you're naming actually team heavy metal over there, you know are a constant sound brother of Negril Casas. Yeah, absolutely. Let's see. But yeah, it was tough. You know, like I was saying, you know, that was the pay I got and we would stay in if we had a hotel it was you know, it was budget, you know, that was Not the nicest hotels, they weren't dirty or anything but really tiny rooms and like the one place we stayed at like it was near that New Japan hotel and Shinjuku. We stayed it was called the B&B hotel which stood for bed and breakfast our business and breakfast something like that. But yeah, but when we would travel outside of Tokyo and it was all bus rides. Even when we went to Hokkaido, which is an island, you know where Sapporo is we drove the bus to send die and then the bus got on a fucking like a fairy. Yeah fairy. Oh, ah. Yeah, and so like we went to her like a typhoon and that actually are you serious? How was what was that like using the fucking boats up and down and they're so there's this like bath area in the in the ferry, then there's like a hot tubs and stuff like that. No fucking water. It was spilling all out everywhere, but they let you guys continue going through that like even though they knew that this was gonna happen, you know weather-wise. So yeah, I was crazy. That would I'm skipping around but that that ferry ride was actually where we're the guys had enough and decided to quit and start michinoku Pro because they like there are some shit. Yeah the money and like, you know, they were kind of fucked but you said that the Mexican guys were making way less last sentence. I was I was it like a dramatic difference or yeah. Yeah, or or some of them like we're getting similar to me. That should like we're Legends like fucking dose cart guys. I mean, I'm sure it does get a little bit more of a you know, there's probably guys are getting 500 a week and trying to make ends meet and what they were selling they brought gimmicks to sell merch to sell so that helped. Yeah. Yeah, we brought. I brought like imitation Zuma's like this lady and she also made my gear but she made she made fake Zubaz and Zubaz came from Minneapolis. So there was other people popped up, you know, MN Minnesota that made these cheap knockoff Zubaz tsubasa's were really popular and Japan they were a higher bucks a fucking pair for him. So I brought these cheap Zoo bazan, you know, I sold him every night and I made if you are. Stir box and it helped boy that was fascinating part of the story. Well, I've noticed that you always kind of find ways to make a little extra. Like when you mention you were selling geralyn's hair and now you have this so it's pretty interesting to see how you can like make ends meet. Okay. So what I was what I was getting to is like sometimes when we were going outside Tokyo for instant when we would go to down south to this city. Fukuoka and Hakata, which there's this famous venue. It's called Hakata Star Lanes and then we would go run that place and the crowd was great there loved wrestling there. But when we would go there was like 12 hour bus ride we get there and we would stay at this place called a King Cole and and it was like a similar to I don't know if you ever heard of a capsule Hotel the capsule Hotel, you know what that is? No. Capsule hotels like dog kennels, like, you know, there's some on top of each other and Apostle's like a no it's not even that it's like a real fucking you get your own dog kennel. It's big enough for you to fit in and lay down and it might have a little TV in there and made a thought up here. If you guys want to take a look too bad as I actually yeah, it's not but it's, you know, people kind of want their own rooms when they're on the road, but fuck we were just so happy to get there after 12 hours on uncomfortable. Yeah, so and they have like food there and you can get massaged and but that's that's the capsule Hotel the can't go in everyone sleeps in a fucking big room on the floor on Matt. Oh, wow, so you can hear everyone snoring and you know it go fuck right, so But we just I was just happy to get there and you know be able to lay down somewhere getting a hot bath and felt so nice to get in a hot bath. And so what would you say was the biggest challenges was it kind of getting used to being too like traveling like that and you know going through these long bus rides and then just not really having too much of your personal space or what other challenges did you face? Just you know. some of the guys spoke English but not everyone and I was the only American guy was the only you know So it was two communication was a kind of a little bit of an issue not too bad because Jerry Lynn was also there for a couple of Tours wasn't there for your first one, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah and and that and then he came over there we teamed over there we are. Really good matches with gado and Pat Tanaka, which I love people, you know, probably never heard of those matches. But yeah, really good matches with them good matches. What gate on Jade? Oh Jerry and I like so it was like, who's it fucking new? Actually, that's the photo that we had up actually with you and Jerry Lynn versus gado and Jo for the Intercontinental Tag Team Championships. Yeah. Yeah. That's a picture. We had well, and we also worked with fuck was that oh, so we've just six man's a lot obviously, you know Lou to a lot of six man's and it would be like Jerry Lynn myself. And dr. Wagner versus versus Tejano silver King and dose can actually got to see that one. Valerie wasn't fucking silver King busted my eardrum right in the beginning. It's like a smack me in their higher jump still fucked up from really yeah, cuz I I was able to see that one of the things that I noticed for that one was he did a lot of mat wrestling for that match that was you know, very different from what we were seeing you do in gwf around. This is roughly the same time. So when you have communication issues, that's what you do. That's why you have to know how to wrestle to hmm. You know, that's why you have to know how to do you know that kind of stuff so you can go out there and even if you can't talk to someone you can go out there and have a little bit of a match with them, you know. Yeah, and you know, so You can never go wrong with a little bit of wrestling in there. And then you mentioned that you can add Geralyn was coming on with you during the second tour wasn't didn't make a world of a difference for you to have somebody that you're more familiar with and you know, it's sort of, you know along the same lines with you gets in their language barriers and all of that because obviously we were we were extremely close and in that so yeah, it helped a lot and have you wrestled any of those guys prior and any other places like this was off first times who were some of the people you were immediately Like impressed by anybody that you were kind of like oh this guy is going to be like something. You kind of do that about like a lot of those guys. I mean you saw the kind of had reputations already. Yeah, like Sasuke started doing that gimmick, you know eventually and so you could kind of tell okay, you know be a big star like, Delphine Yeah, I could because those guys started doing those gimmicks after I had gotten there they went from you know, monkey magic Wakita super, Delphine. You know, I knew I knew heavy metal is going to be a big star because just had this thing about it like this weird RI this Vibe like he was very very enigmatic. You know, like they talk about Jeff Hardy like that like he had that similar type of the thing. I see now you mentioned on our last show that when you were doing you are studying tapes, you know from Japan as well, but that some of the guys did give Sort of like feedback and things that you are doing wrong or maybe not doing the way it was supposed to be. Did you get any of that what you were in Japan? How did that all work out a little bit but still like I still kept doing the the spinning back breaker wrong with when I would take it like I wouldn't fucking feed for it. Right? Hmm, so it would make it make my opponent look stupid. Yeah, so but you know, but ya know I learned some things I learned how to do like ahead spraying and You know just different like some of the Mexican routines Ike. Yeah, just the stuff that those those guys do on a routine basis and and just I don't know. It was just cool just it was a great experience being able to train gazelle chain before the show's set what citrangada everyone was in not every single person but most everyone was in the ring warming up doing a little bit of training. And so yeah. I was cool to learn from those guys that any big differences in terms of how they prepared. Probably they were preparing for their matches versus what you are used to seeing in the states. And then also with the crowds was what Were there any major differences I think the major difference is that they were actually doing that at all? Yeah, because guys on the state's weren't really doing that before shows. Nope. Not at all. So yeah, it was just I mean they were it was taken away more serious, you know, you know like here in the state a lot of that as your own shows what guys that just do it on the weekends and they're not like, you know full-time like this was a bunch of fucking real pro wrestlers and you know guys that have been You know, like I said, they would legit. Hang on and you did several tours where you ever kind of like hasn't so like oh, maybe I don't want to go back because of it's so different or were you always like? Yes. I'm ready to go back. Yeah, I couldn't wait to go back. Yeah. I was just just loved it. That's all right. It was tough. And so, you know once for me came around and started I started spending time of fumi when I was over there like it changed everything like You know made everything just some just felt so much more comfortable over there the more because you had maybe someone giving you guidance. Yeah, you know developing a closer closer relationship in Germany during the Japanese wrestling better than anybody, you know, because he was like one of the top guys at Baseball magazine. So yeah, but you guys talked about your bonds together on the podcast and you know, spending holidays together and stuff like that. So obviously it was a relationship that was formed earlier on and you know lasted hey so, you know going back talking about acai my you know, my first show there was his last so it wasn't like I was on a bunch of shows with Ultimo Dragon. He was that he was finishing up that night and going to ask WS. Actually Great Kabuki was there with him actually a kabuki was a I think like, you know, he was like an office guy a little bit. Yeah for 10 Rue awesome. Awesome. Did you want to add anything else or do you want to go ahead and talk jump into the top of the Super Juniors? Um, ya know even just talking about how you know, when I was talking about that that ferry ride when everyone the typhoon. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know because business wasn't great and There was some money owed to maybe some. You know, like sometimes questionable people invest in wrestling whether it be in Japan or Mexico, like people that have no no no wrestling background. No, I'm talking about maybe a little bit from you know, the underworld or oh I see not saying that's exactly what was going on. But I suspect it and like there was you know money issues and Jerry landed. Not getting paid for his last show their hajjis. I wouldn't leave. Yeah, I wouldn't leave until I get my money. Like I was like, no, you're not sending a like you're not fucking I'm not going home. I won't get it. Yeah, what did he do? Was it just kind of like you never got it? You live and you learn? Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. So my last my last tour of their I separated my shoulder I fucked up and then I just never went back until Sony Japan, right. Alright, so let's go ahead and talk about that New Japan top of the Super Juniors 1993 from May 26 to June 14th of 1993. And this was obviously prior to it be called The Best of The Super Juniors and before the Jacob it was an 11-man tournament round robin. And then the last four guys did a tournament with Pegasus kid, Chris Benoit ending up winning that year, but there is a lot of notable names in this tournament. That's for sure some including Eddie Guerrero Dean malenko. Jooshin. Fit Finlay out summer, I yourself. So let's kind of go ahead and talk into how the opportunity came about and all of that from the beginning. Okay? so at some point around that time Road Warrior Hawk quit WWF and decided to go work in New Japan. And so it was decided that Hawk and Ken's cases sake we're going to become a team and they ended up being called the Hellraisers. Hmm. I was a really fucking popular team there to like it wasn't just our let's do these guys together and it was kind of half at like know they were over like A motherfucker. So anyways weirdly enough like there's this little bar like this is C naught 3 400 people Max. I crammed in there like the place that we like that bar that I saw the Jerry Lynn and I have that match. Yeah. Yeah that place that's where the Japanese flew all the way over here. Like because bread Rankin's, you know, I was talking about Brad a little bit before. Or you know, he was new Japan's guy over there. He trained all of guys like like nah, konishi guys like that like anyways and even Brad Brach. Yeah. It was a lot of guys New Japan would send to you know Vader went to Brad's so that for some I guess that's why they decided to debut Hawkinson and can skate at this little bar weirdly enough and so I was the guy that was making the match ends at the time kind of like the booker you shows and so I Jerry Lynn and I were with the tag team champions of the pwa and so I had and they said okay Ma Society those comments are him. You know, he's not he's going to he'll be on the show and I'm like, I'll fuck you so I booked it Jerry Lynn and I versus masahito and Brad dragons. Umm. Oh, I'm so you know how to really good man. Yeah. And then after that Masa brought me to Japan for top Super Junior. Oh nice. Yeah, basically that's I mean And this is the short version of that story and I know we talked about that in terms of you were already signed with WWE. So and know I was no not yet because remember you had that break in between laughter laughter. I got this gift. That's what okay. Yeah, so I don't give you can remind me as because you had told to be like, hey, I have this coming up and you know, they were where they perfectly fine with that had it's an N power. Okay, and also at the time I was Bring this show that I talked about recently, but we called NW a grand slam and it was Terry Funk and hawk in the main event. It was myself and Sabu Taz versus Brad dragons Sayid. Oh and Charlie Norris. Where's his nails and the hater Chris candido verse Jerry Lynn, Tommy Ferrara versus lethal Larry Cameron. Anyways, it was a great show. And so we were promoting that at the same time were you treated differently by like by New Japan now that you know you had this relationship with WWE. No, no, no making comparison, you know to your first time, you know with people and how they interact with you and started like I don't know because I never worked with New Japan at that point right now, but I'm saying like in general though, like would like it was hard to tell. Okay, maybe maybe I just don't know. Okay, so yeah, but yeah, that's how that happened. and Yeah, so and I was cool that Vince let you know let me go over there and fulfill that commitment and you were able to work with Eddie Guerrero one of those one of those guys that we you know at this point, he was already, you know killing a he'd already been wrestling, you know and AAA and CML at what was it like working with him, you know during this time period that was a little bit into the tour like like that was I don't know that was a couple weeks into the tour actually and I work with am I? My first Alex oblast and I'm I'm really honored to even like I've been in the ring with this guy, but my very first match of the tournament was with fit family and it was fuck. I couldn't even believe it. Like just you know what I say, I couldn't believe it was once I got in there with them. Like if y'all great he was in there like you just don't realize how great someone is, you know, like you can have a purse. Spective on how great someone is from a viewer standpoint, but on top of it just like holy fuck man. That guy was on a whole nother level. That's great. And he made me look amazing and he put me over and it was in a place called omiya at the only Escape Center actually have a tweet from you that you tweeted David Finley. You said I was in I was in the next one with your dad and my first match and you Japan was with your father carried me to a brilliant match in oh Mia. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah fucking great and you know, you know talked about. So nishamura had a match with it was okay. He was really new still and I potato the fuck out of him and he wasn't happy and I understood like I was I sorry Mary. I'm really hard with the clothesline, but the guy that I really had a really good one with it wasn't like match of the Year type thing or anything, but we just went out there and we're had Russell back and forth and even like the stuff we did like that you would think we would have called in them back was shit that we call it on the fly. It was with shinjiru Otani as really good that matches out there somewhere but um, but yeah, no I had he was just it was it was so good so good and we really had a good chemistry. I had to do the spinning back breaker right how to take it better. Yeah, and now that I mean it wasn't like a Wasn't that type of situation? Yeah, I mean We just had one match and so he he did more than his part in there. Like that part was great. I can't really say I learned a lot from him out there anything but he just didn't more than his part out there to make me look at you, you know, she feels different being in a ring with a guy like him, you know for sure you feel the difference obviously. Yeah, there was just a thing that week and it was from the first time I ever worked with him there in Japan like and even you know, Later on when I work with him, there was just a you know, what I was talking about with family or just a little bit ago. Same type of situation when you Actually feel a guy out there when you lock up with him. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah for sure and what I've always found so fascinating about like round-robin tournament is that you know, you you have to wrestle everyone at some point, you know, and so you're you're getting ready for all these different kind of styles and different sort of chemistry's what's it like kind of like going in going like okay, you know having to prepare for Pegasus kid versus having to prepare for someone like El Samurai or something like that. I don't remember hmm. I just remember going out there. You know having the matches and yeah, you know are hating the thing that you know at night we go out and get drunk and you know. There's a couple of funny stories. Oh don't start with me Lu Lu's over here. Yeah, where was I going out with the guys after shows? Okay. So there's a lot of that and somebody rip the fuck out of me to they put like sardines or something in my bag and like he's a you know and still to this day whenever tell me who did it. I was actually going to ask you about the competed against the rest of the tour. Yeah, everything my gear everything fucking stomach. I couldn't get it out. I'm just the smell. Oh, yeah, it was brutal brutal. Now one of the things that I do have to ask you about because you tweeted this twice a year apart was when you said first one we had was from 2016 where you said liger at New Japan top of the Super Juniors attorney. I shit the bed nervous and then again in 2017, when I wrestled lygren you Japan I shit the bed twice the what happened there. I just say like, you know, there's this there's this dive that silver King made famous out of the corner and he kind of yeah, like a vaulting fucking toe pay whatever whatever the phone I so like I went to do that on him and I slipped and he's just standing there waiting for me and he ends up having to like give me the fucking polite Applause. I guess a rib just I was nervous as fuck and a lot of people were like they had their eyes on that match to the Press right fucking this shit the bed for everyone and so when I when I teamed with liger, I actually brought that up. Might he was really cool about the last yeah. Okay. I spot. Yeah that that wrestling when I you know him at me and hurricane and I don't know what lose so I brought her out there about Lulu out there and and I shouldn't even do anything Snappy. I don't know she's outside. So if you hear something scratching at the door, that's really where were all right, let's go ahead and you just kind of go back into it we're talking about About you basically shutting the Bad and the bad and you talking with liger about this at WrestleMania at what WrestleMania weekend? Excuse me, because I had it all in my head all these great things. I was going to do it by match what with liger and his fucking bitch. What was it? You think I just nerves nerves nerves got the best. Yeah. So when you told him this, you know at the at the Russell kancho, what did he say to you exactly? It's just so you know is it was sue me sick. I was doing the you know, she is yeah. Yeah for the name. Yeah for sure. She she's Japanese female wrestler and she works and roh sometimes and she was in Blood Sport. Yeah, Josh Barnett what sport anyways, she was there and she was translating and you know, he was really cool just as I don't know it was perfect that you know, it's like you're just very gracious about it, right? You know, what do you do? You're really trying to make up for it after all these years out there and have another shitty match. I don't think it was as bad as you felt that it was. Yeah, but how did you feel wrestling him, you know in his prime I got sound aside from the fact. I was just you know. That's all that was. That's my only memory of it was fucking it up. We're trapped this place called trial amenity Hall. I was like this outdoor venue, which I hate working Outdoors. Anyways, yeah, and it was like kind of dreary kind of rainy if I remember correctly. So yeah. Yeah hate wrestling Outdoors. Fuck. Yeah is that because of the here what is a whole different kind of things like just whatever though? I'm not your fucking slave to whatever. That's a bad word EU slave but I got you mean. Yeah, just some people are going to be hot. That's JW concisely now, what a fuck anyways, I don't even say that. Yeah. Yeah, just hit the energy like, you know just goes up into the exactly. Yeah, but you're the sky six are terrible. Yeah, you know, it's kind of like the outdoor stadium like when you get you can't really hear a reactions and right. So yeah, just not a fan. Yeah, whether any differences in working the Lucha style at UW F. And then the New Japan Junior style big time. What was those? Yeah, it's just like it's a totally different style. You know, I even like I don't know where they're at. I mean the closest I had to in that style was what with Addie and he even Stole was like working more Japanese style. Hmm. When a Mexican guys when the Lucha guys go to Japan. They just they don't do lewd like traditional huto one and exact then especially because Eddie was playing Black Tiger at the time, right? Yeah. Oh not yet. Okay. Yeah. No. No, yeah. But yeah so much different. Yeah, just and I actually was work. I was it was easier for me because I was trained more along those lines. Mmm. We had similar training to like how they train the new Japan guys. Sure. So yeah. Remember I'll Samurai kind of had that a little bit of a blue chip feel to him. Mmm. I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I had a match I talked about this but 2 cold Scorpio Students ankle and they work the whole fucking tour with a broken. Ankle. Yeah, and I'm the my match what them a broken ankle on or lag. Anyways, something like that, you know break down there rydym of the and especially for someone who works the style that Scorpio worked like that seems like it would be so like I've talked about this. Not that long ago. Actually it's kind of its kind of comical for for Scorpio even even being the Junior tournament because he's like 250 fucking pounds, you know, he would just hide behind stuff. He's like 250. He's not even close to fucking Junior at work and he might look like it from the waist up but man his ass and legs is like 200 pounds alone. Good home. So my last question for you is when you were in WCW, did you ever want to do another Super Junior tournament given the relationship that they had with New Japan? Driver crossed. So did you ever want to do another Super Junior tournament when you were in WWE given that they had that relationship. Did you want to know? No not never know. Okay Mama because I had moved on from that style. I mean I still did a little bit with certain guys if I was working with, you know, sure sir guy, you know, I don't know I hadn't met like we're working hoovy or Hector guards are somebody like that, you know, but I was I was pretty I was you know, I fancy myself a heavy weight by then. Right right actually put on packed on a bit of weight like trying to you know have people look at me as a heavyweight. Yeah, and in that but you know, I did go and do this Junior tournament while I was working for events for for wa are was that Anne was it I think it was O7 was it or no? No 90 it was in 90. 94 I think that's way off. Okay. Yeah, it was I worked I worked with an egg. Yolk. I beat my go Casas in the first round in the second round. I lost the gate. Oh, okay. And Jericho was on it who the fuck else chirico? I think he wanted actually like I post concussion syndrome at the time. Yeah, like I was fucked up after my machua gado like like I just remember waking up in the hallway with Haku. And over me and like Jericho's here different guys and haku's like smack me in the face trying to keep me awake. Sorry pass out because Vince almost didn't let me go to that that wa our Junior term. I'm jumping around all over the fucking place here, but because of my concussions. Oh, wow. He was concerned from for my health. Yeah for sure because the concussions in 94 so, right Anyways, where else what else will we? All right. That was pretty much what I had to be. That's what I had here. I don't know if you want to add anything something you think the fan should know the cool story. You might want to share or anything else that I might have not brushed on. No. I just, you know Hawk came over for the end of that tour because they had a big Budokan show and like him and him and system and Ken's gay worked with Jurassic Powers. They were called. I think I was like fucking earthquake and earthquake and fuck. I don't remember whatever so in Tony Hall who was ludvig borga. Okay. Yeah. Mmm, that was interesting but he got along good with Tony but he was fucking you know, like there's no way anybody would even employ him right today, right? All right. The way, you know his ideals and beliefs but Bobby Bobby Eaton beautiful bomb came over and he was there as a heavyweight as a singles guy and had great matches, you know, people don't think of him as it singles guy bike man. He's fine either way for sure. Absolutely excellent matches. Let's see. I think that's it a couple of stories. But yeah, I'm not going until we can get in the zone. Are you just gonna leave us all with curiosity? Okay. I'll tell it when it was we going out drinking one night and I can I think somebody found a go while it or something and it was like 300. But anyway, I think it was anyway, somebody paid for the drinks all night. It was a Hostess bar. But like some of the hostess were transgender and I just remember that being the case sure in anyways, there was some big interaction with them. We were all fucking drunk and we're laughing and fit Finlay. They're like Dean Abandon one rod drunk as fuck and one of the transgender ladies like fault fucking Father Like This falls into this bush and a fucking fucking big giant rat comes out and starts running out of shit. I'm circling around the lady. And anyways it I just somehow I just remember that like fucking sticking out my head, right? Yeah. It was crazy. Oh my God, what does she would get out of the Bush fast? Yeah. Going to say cuz that's kind of dangerous. You know, it's terrible. It was so funny. I actually did anybody think like hey, let's help her up. There's a rat there. No. No, I think she's trying to kick one of us. Who's huh? All right, I guess that's about it. In a big hurry to get out of here every week. So like do you think that the the stuff like The Super Juniors at the time with mixing American style Lucha style Japanese style. Do you think it was kind of ahead of its time as far as because I feel like we're seeing a lot of that today, you know. Yeah. Hmm. I you know, it's all kind of mixed together these days. Yeah exactly. Even if you go to Mexico like I told Todd I mean they're still the guy some some of the guys are still doing a traditional but a lot of those guys in Mexico are working a hybrid style now, right? You know, everyone's kind of Yeah, it's kind of like similar to MMA in the early days of you know, it was called no-holds-barred back then right but you know, it wasn't now everybody trains and everything, right? Exactly. But yeah, the whole the whole draw of you see was like What if a karate guy disgraced, you know and Taekwondo guy or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. Yep, the grappler versus the striker. Yeah fucking now. Everyone's a Grappler and a strike, right? Exactly. So, yeah, but It's been interesting and it's been fascinating to see how it's all kind of come together. And you know how the Styles have mashed and yeah, yeah, so it's and I look forward to seeing like seeing it continued to evolve because it is I mean even in the last few years, you know, I see things change and trends Change of like what you know what's popular to do in there and disguise a try new things all the time and we're able to see those things because of like fucking you know the internet. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah, we're gonna get spider in there for sure. Yeah, so I don't know when we're going to do next week any ideas. Well, I didn't want you to talk about your time in Mexico to maybe Can talk about that and we can brainstorm after the show sure our core we talked about how you know the style you were working in the WCW Cruiserweight division, you know stuff like that too. Yeah. Well anyways, I hope everyone enjoyed it, you know, at least of one stat because these shows like when I start talking about something like this, it kind of narrows it down to people that are just interested in that particular subject and that's fine. Sheila just spit everywhere and that's why I like, you know, it might get a few less views or you know our listeners. And hmm But it's it's cool. I enjoy talking about these you know these subjects. Yeah, totally. Oh and I do recommend people to listen to the podcast that you did with fumito was really good and it gave you know, obviously he has all the knowledge so, you know, it really tied in really nicely together. I think yeah, and I was cool just because you know, you get to hear me reminiscing with a dear friend of mine. Yeah, it's fun. All right everyone cool. See you at your next week. Weak now. We're ready Jeff. Executive producers Maria Menounos, Keven undergaro Sean Waltman and the entire x hawk 1 2 3 60 staff. 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Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Era, Becca. Hey episode 82. Yep episode 82 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa and Rebecca. Yeah, I'm still making you do it. Oh man. You're right. You got a migraine coming on, don't you? Yeah, I do. Are you going to be a little lesser Becky today? Yes, just a little bit. Yeah. That's okay. Definitely. We still love you. Yeah, do you think you're getting sick though, too? Yes. Yeah, yeah, how do you know? I can feel it in my face and your face my face hurts. Maybe it's your sinuses. Yeah. Yeah for sure because that good it's a sinus cold or whatever. It is sinus infection. I will say I like almost passed out while shoveling today. Why were you shovelling make your husband do it? He was already gone to work because he leaves super early and then my kids had to go do their exams and they were getting ready and I was like screw it. I'll just go do it quick the end of the driveway cause The plow finally came around last night of course and you know - 30 temperature. The snow is all Frozen at the end of my driveway. No tends to be like that. Yeah Frozen know like frozen ice blocks of ice blocks of ice, right? Yeah. So I was like, oh my God is a lot harder than I thought it was going to be and again, it's like just make him do it and then my head was hurting and stuff. So, where was where was your husband last night? He did shovel last night, but the plow didn't come until the middle of the night short and he has a truck and he was just like I don't have time to show of all time. I don't worry about he's like just get Justin to do it my son and that's what he's for. He said I was 17. I'll just do it. It's fine. Whatever. Yeah, and then I did half of it and I'm like, well, there's enough room for you to get out and then you go to the rest. You're like superwoman. I did the very front of our driveway the other day and went fuck this and walked inside. Yeah, I gave up so fast. Was huffing and puffing you have never seen someone so out of shape from someone's it was hilarious. It's hard work. It's really hard it is we have this really crappy little shovel. Yeah quite tiny, right and everybody in California is laughing at us. Yes, they are in Australia right now to the because fucking cold man so hot over there is so cool today. Like that was the problem when I was shoveling is I couldn't breathe. Yeah. It's that like I felt like my lungs were going to freeze its the daggers. And your chest coughing? Brutal. Well, I've been outside a lot today, but it wasn't because we were shoveling big day for me today because officially I'm leaving my studio and I've been there for about three years now and it was a great time but I am leaving photography and it was just time. Yeah, you know and I tried to do the portraiture thing and a couple of reasons. I didn't want to I just didn't want to do it anymore. Yeah, I I realized I've fallen out of love with it and I don't want to keep doing something if I'm not in love with it and it's not to say I'll never do it again, but I'll probably never do it again or now. This is where you're at. You don't want to here's the thing I said this before and I'll say it again. If a wedding comes up as a novelty to do like maybe a couple of year. Yeah, it'll be a novelty because I'm not doing them all the time and I don't mind doing that but to force myself to do portraiture to force myself to do weddings when I'm not head over heels in love anymore with it. Yeah. I don't think that's right to Do I think it's one of those jobs to you have to love it. You do have to love it. I'm sorry. I know a lot of photographers will disagree with me. But I think I think you have to love it in order to do it really? Well. Yes, and I think too many people get lulled into a just making it a business a day to day they lose the passion, but they don't give a shit that they've lost the passion. Yeah. Yep, and that's not necessarily fair to the client either. So no, you know, I want it and I'm very proud that. I think I created. Beautiful work until the end absolutely and it's not necessarily the on but like I'm still doing, you know music photography, which is my passion. Yeah, although not that I get out that much but I still will ya still do occasional weddings, but it has to be for the right client. It is basically the most diverse too high-maintenance clients I've ever been. Yeah at this point. It's yeah if you want to be cool, you know pretty chill work with me that way awesome. No, that's great. But I just oh my gosh, I've talked to a couple people and I said, you know, yeah, let's discuss it whatever and then they got high maintenance like right away and I was just like I can't I can't do this. Yeah. This is why I'm getting out of it. And yeah, it's not for me, you know, so I noticed that shift though. Do you think it's like an actual like shift within the industry it is a shift now. I will say my clients aren't high maintenance. Yeah, like the ones I have right now currently booked they've been amazing, but I mean I Also see the shift in the whole industry that clients are getting like you need to handhold and yeah, why is that? No offense. We don't get paid enough for that. Yeah. It's no really we don't and I won't take on people like that because I get it's one day and you know, it's one day I get that. I guess it's an important day. I do get that. I understand that but they almost need more of a planner. I think I need a fucking Planner. Yeah. Okay, I do. I consider myself a jack-of-all-trades for couples absolutely most wedding photographer and we are and we go above and beyond most of us but a common expectation again, we're back to expectations. Exactly and you know, I don't mind helping you with your itinerary because I want it to benefit me, right of course, but I'm definitely not gonna I'm not going to entertain 50 emails either from a client. Yeah. Sorry II get that that maybe that's something Something either photographers will do but time is money baby. And and that's exactly what I think I'm past. Yeah that I'm just I can't I can't get there anymore. Yeah, and then you know and then I was like well, let me try portraiture, right? Yeah, and I did some beautiful stuff. I'm really proud of the work I did. Yeah, but I didn't love it and I was hoping that it wasn't photography as a whole. It was just weddings that I was like, okay, maybe I'm just out of love with weddings and I can shift my technique and everything and keep the studio. And yeah. Yeah, and be happy there and then I realized trying to do these portraitures portraits. Number one, you have to have high turnover. If you have a portraiture business and you have a studio. Yes, like a lot of clients all the time, right because portraiture you're obviously not making as much but it's also spilling the same mentality spilling out into portraits. Is it really see? I don't family sessions and stuff because I do it. All right you do so I get the same and I'm noticing that shift majorly. I why do you think that is I think Just that generation. Yeah, right. Yeah, and we're getting older I know and we're kind of were used were used to our our mentality and how we look at things right and certain clients that were more of art closer to our age another so much younger right not a lot but they've heard what but that generation. They just they expect so much more. Maybe that's it. Yeah, I don't know and Hate to tell you but you're not going to get more like a lot of that's just the way it is and they want more and they want it faster and they cheaper cheaper and that's just kind of the way it is. And this isn't actually just so you guys know this isn't just our opinion know that we're here in this a lot from our friends in the industry minute. Let me PSA y'all are losing amazing fucking photographers in the industry because they're quitting because they can't take it anymore. Yeah, some are that's that's the reality of it. There's too many good people. I know that have quit and I'm and I'm just like know if you go then how the fuck am I going to stay in this? Oh your strongest. No, but you know what, I mean like and it's the same with like I shoot families as well. Yeah, I get it. I get tons of inquiries, right? I would say about 60 percent of them. I won't take really yeah because they want a consult. Yeah their family session. I don't do that. Yeah, I don't do that because that's not my thing. I'm not an editorial post. We don't have been drug-free don't make enough money from a portraiture session to no weren't a consult. No, no the problem. I don't mind having a quick chat with you on the phone. That's totally cool. If you need to understand something. I don't have a problem with that. But let me tell you Mike. Is that my ideal clients? They're booking me. Yeah, they're booking me without any of that. Yeah, and I don't need any of that and I'm not going to give you a style guide and I'm not going to hold your hand while you go shopping. Yeah for clothes and and it's not to be a bitch. It's just you're not my client. That's the thing. I kind of didn't want to go down all that road, which is why I got the Wardrobe in and I got and I was just like just come come do it, you know, bring whatever you want, but I have stuff, you know, and and 99% of the time people just ended up using my stuff. Yeah, but exactly and it's like you have to be head over heels in love with this and this whole process and I really did used to love all of this and that's the thing we all did but then there is this big shift. Yeah, and I think and it kind of kills that it kills that passion that you have. Yeah. It's probably a natural progression in a way to it's like, you know out with the old in with the new for sure. Absolutely generationally. I think it's this way the whole like, isn't it amazing at this shit. I'm like, I'm old. Yeah. You this shift though has pushed people. Yeah, the ones that we know they expedited the whole leaving the industry, you know? Yeah, because and I'm not trying to shit on people. I'm just saying like, it's got a I think more it's almost like we have to educate. Oh, well, that's that's what people say like the masses. You got educate them know people are saying you had to educate photographers and have them adjust to the new know I think people need to be educated on. You know, what photography is a luxury I told us that this to you before you said it too. Yeah, it's a luxury it's not something you have to have like the BMW. Yeah. I mean, you know, you should do you should everybody should have something nice in their life for sure. But but are you gonna not be able to get married without it? No. No, but is it important? Yeah. Yes. So you have to you have to weigh your you know, pros and cons right? You got to weigh it out, you know that, you know this guy's but anyway, I just wanted to do it I just It's true though. It's true. And if you're seeing that shift, let us know because we were curious. We know a lot of photographers are listening to this show. Yeah, as well. So if you're a photographer or if need anybody in the wedding industry, you know or portrait or whatever. Are you noticing this because we certainly are hearing from our friends. If you don't your liar or they're young or there y'all are young? Yeah, and um, and there's nothing and there's nothing wrong with me and young, you know, that's great. But amazing. We're just noticing quite a shift in the more established. Yeah parts of the industries and I noticed my ideal clients are older is all right. Yep, isn't that funny? Mmm Yeah, I've just so I've just hilarious. I've lost. You know what I've lost Rebecca. I've lost the drive to chase it and once you lose the drive to chase the business at all. Yeah, you'll go I didn't go down but I just decided I decided to step away and I was like, I'm not going to do it this year. You know, I always say to my husband. I'm like I'm tired of chasing a paycheck exactly. It's exhausting after 11 years. It's very exhausting. So tiring. Yeah, can I tell you something that like we don't get to go just to our job and our job and get paid weekly like it's not this now, you know, you have to always be weren't wondering if I'm putting all this here's a problem with the consult stuff too. I'm putting all this effort it and then they ghost you. Yep, and then so, you know ghosn, you know, what is a huge problem right? Now those people doing that? Let me tell you if you guys are doing that. Stop it, please. No, stop it. Yeah, I'm not going to be nice about it. Yeah, don't be a dick like stop it. We deserve didn't to know if you're booking or not. It's so simple. It takes you 2 seconds. Just keep your vendors updated. Yeah, like just like thank you so much. But I've gone with someone else. I appreciate it. I was go cool. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, thank you for let me know now. I can delete your fucking email and forget about you. You know what I mean? I can move on to someone else exactly. You know, like I keep these emails in my I have dates all around are usually being like raided this wedding quoted this one. Yeah this wedding. Can you hold the date? No, I I can't no no. No, I can't without money fire up the ghost and it's not cool. The ghosting is a is a is I say this as I goes people that write to us not ghosts. I don't ghost them. I just yeah, you just haven't been able to write them back. But listen so many I'll tell you something that really is pissing me off though, and I can't say this to anyone. So I'm just going to say it to the general public. I can't say the city my brother tell everybody I'm gonna tell everybody because it's so funny. It's like, you know people I see day-to-day in my town. Don't necessarily listen to the show. So it's like only a few do but yeah, they're my friends. So they'll know if I'm bitching about this. They'll get it. It's really pissing me off because every time I'm like it was almost terrified to put stuff up from my studio for sale on my Facebook page. You know, why you're leaving photography. Oh no. Oh, yeah quit first of all guilt about the fact that I'm good at something and I shouldn't quit something. I'm good at which is already a scary thing to do. Yeah, you know to walk away from something. Yeah for 11 years and you know, like I am good at it. I know I'm good at it. Nothing I could do. No. Okay. No. No, you ain't fucking right. No, no. No, I'm very much a you do you if you need to that you also kind of went. Oh, oh, yeah, you know I can see that. Yeah, but you're at the same place I am but here's the thing all my clients. For example. Oh my God, which I appreciate you know that they care but here's it makes me feel bad or like people who don't know me. Oh and then like I was selling, you know, I was selling some stuff and then I had someone come to buy something at the studio and I was like, yeah, you know, I'm closing too young. She was really sorry. It didn't work out for you. Yeah, and I'm like, oh, oh, no it did it worked out quite well, everyone's graders. It worked very well, but I just was like no no. No, it was my decision. Yeah changing careers quite odd. Why is it we assume that just because someone's changing they think we fail fail. Yeah, and that's really something that's been frustrating to me. Yeah hurtful. And I know it's just me being sensitive about it, and I kind of don't care anymore, but when I was first Going through but it's not it's not being sensitive though. It was sliced people being asked assuming and I hate that. I hate that people assume that maybe I'm having another baby. I'm not but yeah, I'm having another baby and I decided I don't want I just can't spend the money every month on a studio and I would rather work at home or something. Like why is it a net? Why is it a negative as yeah, by the way, so not pregnant like so not pregnant she is. No I'm just kidding. I'm just fat. You know my God. No. Yes, I am. But anyway, the point is no so not Knocked Up and very happy to be done. And yes, I had a moment where I was like leaving the studio and I actually said to I had my husband and my dad take the sine of junk. So I was like I can't do it. I was going through a bit of a period where I was like, I have to mourn this almost. Yeah because it was like what you do because it's such a massive transition a huge, you know, and I went through a Mourning period where I was like a bit upset. I got teary a couple times and then I was like and then I started like getting rid of stuff in the studio and it started feeling good. And I started it was cathartic. And as of today the reason I'm telling you all this is because as of today the last little bits of gone and we're about to give the keys back and I'm going to save almost 2 Grand a month. Yeah, and and the weight from that I didn't realize slowly. It had become a weight. It hadn't become a benefit in my life. It had slowly become a negative and it's something that I just I don't know. I just wanted to say like reassess your life. Maybe there's something in your life that you don't realize has become. Yeah a weight and on you and something On your shoulders like it's going to be so much better now. So I'm really happy about that. Good. Yeah, I just wanted to share one has to do what's right for them, man. Yeah, exactly. Also, I think exactly that's my opinion. So it's been good and I'm feeling good, and I'm I don't know. I'm just the have high hopes for us and from we're up to and you know, it's going to be it's going to be a good year. No, you're so positive. Yeah. Well, I try I'm definitely not but wow, you know, I'm the pessimist in this. She's the past relationship. I'm The Optimist. What are you going to do about it? You want to talk about the news? Yeah. Okay. So in the news Express dot Co dot u k OK and here we go. Another Royal Wedding is on the calendar another one another one. Okay, Lady Gaga. Gabriella Gabriella Gabriella Gabriella would think I don't really know have ever and Thomas Kingston the fifty first in line to the throne. Well, he's so what you're saying is he's practically can I ask whoever listens and knows all about the Royals. Does it really matter to point that out? That their 51st in line like they're never going to make it I would have lost count by that like they're never going to make it. So does it matter I would have stopped counting at 14. Yeah, and really why like, I don't know. It's stupid the whole funding these things. It's a little much. Is he the one like funding these things are they are the taxpayers paying for this one? I don't know who's paying for it. I mean anyways now here's the catch. If the Duchess of Suffolk now, which one is that Megan? Okay. Thanks. We're to attend the wedding. She'd likely be just about to pop and her presence could take the attention off the bride. Mmm. In addition if Megan goes into labor at the time of the nuptials. She is likely to steal the Thunder from Lady Gabe Gabriella's nuptials. Hmm. So here we go with throwing Megan under the bus again. Yes. Is it right to attend? Well, maybe Milady Gabrielle. Gabriel at what other fucker name is should just move her wedding. Like I don't know. Why would she want it for wedding just like she can't move her freaking due date Albert baby. So so they don't go no big deal. I just okay. Is this really like obviously, this is like a gossipy. I don't think this website where they like, I don't think it matters. It doesn't matter. It's a wedding Lisa so we talk about it. No, I didn't mean I mean in the sense that like I would say fuck it invite her and it is what it is. She's about to have a baby. What are you gonna do criticize her for going into labor? She get closer cervix people. Can I just say hmm. Megan is going to steal the Thunder from everybody. Just get over it. I know I was thinking that it's like if you don't have one of those people who's very well-liked. Yeah. She's very much admired. She's gorgeous. And and I she wears in her defense. I've never even heard of Lady G. Like I don't know what even know who she is. I mean, we're officially shortening this Megan. I know her yeah, lady G not so much. No, I know Lady Gaga, but I don't know lady. So, you know, I mean is it why is it such a thing? I don't think so. I don't think basically if you don't want your thunder stolen don't invite her in the first place pregnant or not. Is that pretty much what we're saying? I just think people need to accept that. She's just very well-liked. Yeah and admired and you know what she's going to still Thunder no matter where she goes or if she's pregnant or not. So that's all I'm saying. You might want to get over it because you're 50 first in line and I'm thinking you don't stand much of a chance. Anyways, so the fuck. Oh, yeah. I wanted to just give us a quick update here as well. We had someone write in about not such a good wedding song. So remember how last week we Talked about I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For by you too. Yeah being the groom in Brazil walking into that song and of course not knowing what it means because it's English. Yeah, so we had a note here from Fiora and it says hi Lisa and Rebecca the story about the Brazilian groom entering his wedding on I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For made me remember a little story from some years ago at the time. My boyfriend was still studying. And since he was very good at making videos and had access to good equipment and he was earning some money by doing montages for weddings one time. He was filming a video for the Alig wedding montages wedding montages. I like it because I get to sit and eat I just like it because they're funny. I just like it because I get I like to laugh at them and I don't have to photograph during that time. So I'm like, oh I get to say I do usually hurting you get the reaction. Yeah. It depends on you know what it was Rebecca. It depends on how much I've gotten. Yeah the night. And how much my back is breaking at that plane. And yeah, I hear you one time. He was filming a video for the party of a future wedding. He didn't have any artistic input and therefore spent an entire afternoon filming those friends literally trashing the bride and groom's apartment while they were out of town because they thought it would be funny. Oh my God, I'd kill them. Seriously. I'm talking food everywhere. The bride's underwear everywhere. It was gross. They did clean afterwards but But they didn't tell him they were going to until the very last minute cut to the Montage part. He chose a nice song That Wasn't well known and the quote friends threw a fit demanding a more famous song regardless on how it would fit with the images and refused every other proposition. He made finally they decided to choose the song themselves and I'm not kidding. They chose love is gone by David Guetta just in case it's not known outside of France. It's the song and then she put a YouTube link, but I hope the title gave away. That it is not a good song for a wedding my boyfriend just gave up. I don't blame him and delivered. The Montage got paid washed his hands of this shit show. I think it was actually the last video he ever made. Oh my God fucking ruin him. Obviously, we weren't invited to the wedding. But oh what I would have given to be able to see the poor bride and groom's faces when during the wedding dinner their friends got up and said we made something for you to celebrate your love. Boom their apartment trashed in front of all, the guests are panties everywhere and love is gone resonating in the room. That's horrible. That was a little story I have more for you, but those would require me to be anonymous. So they'll wait a bit. Oh my God. I love it. Love you guys. I love the podcast. Keep up the good work From Paris With Love Fiora. Thank you for your you are a doll. That's that's great crazy animal. It's great and terrible. That's so bad guys. Don't do that to your to your Friends, I would be so mad. I would be really fucking like anybody goes into my drawer. Hmm. That's like the time that I was moving and we had everything packed up almost except for like the bed. Yeah and the movers did I tell you this no and the movers picked up my mattress off the floor and underneath the mattress was like a box that had been opened yet, and it was edible underwear. I've never had a pair of those and they they looked at me and I looked at it and they looked at me. It's like well who's gonna pick it up? Like it was one of those? Oh funny and then and then you guys all been for it at the exact same moment. Yeah clunk heads like three stooges. It was so awkward. Oh, that's great. What flavor? I don't remember too bad. Yeah, we should sell those on the website. Yeah slow edible underwear. Oh my God, this is so fun. So Secret Life embarrassing right down the landing strip area right there. I was embarrassed. I don't know why because I'm not usually embarrassed by stuff like that. No, you should just Rebecca looks. And goes huh? Look at that. Yeah. So yeah, I guess I forgot one thing you should have said you should have said so whose is it and then are all big Burly man, you know probably because they were like older guys and I thought oh, yeah kind of like finding that in front of your dad. Yeah a little bit. Yeah, not so good. Anyways, that's great. So what's next? Let's start story listener story. Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Is it mine? Uh-huh. All right. Okay story from listener. My favorite podcast ladies. Thank you. So time has come and gone for my wedding day. And although I'm crazy happy and loved that didn't happen without a shit show. If you choose to read this. I've changed the names to be anonymous my wedding day started really common peaceful. My photographer who I had been friends with for years had flown. Loan out from California to Tennessee to shoot my wedding and was not answering his phone. He was now an hour and a half late. Oh, that sucks. I had loaned him my car since I would be gone for my honeymoon and he wouldn't have a vehicle for the remaining time. He had in Tennessee to visit other friends mistake. I have no pictures of the getting ready process, but whatever not the end of the world. So this is part of the problem of hiring friends. I think she knows I'm just rubbing salt in the wound at this point. Everything else is still pretty good until we reach 4 p.m. And I'm ready to put my dress on for pictures before the ceremony, except my mother forgot to pick up my dress the day before Oh my God, that's a big thing to forget. I let her know. So no all okay. Wow, but inside I'm stressing the fuck out don't blame you my sister-in-law takes charge and goes to pick up the dress. No biggie. I got the dress within 45 minutes. It's so no harm. Wow. She's rolling with it. Somehow the ceremony takes place at 6 p.m. And it's even more beautiful than I could have dreamed. Oh, the wedding is a huge hit other than this random drunk bitch spelling drinks on my dress and acting like a fool but it's up and she's like and it was my mom. No, she didn't say that but it's a party. So I just get out of her way. I have family from out of town. So I'm trying to get pictures with all that I can but my photographer once again is nowhere to be found. Let's fuck. Come on come to find out he's in the parking lot smoking a joint. Okay all for the weed but I'm paying you to be here. So I'm a little agitated. No big deal. We ended up getting the pictures when he came back from his 30 minutes smoke break again, whatever. I'm so happy. I don't even care. Oh, she's chill as fog. Yeah, no kidding. Not shell. We do a send off and drive away to what I thought was the most. Perfect day, I get a call about 20 minutes later from my maid of honor who is riding in my car with my photographer another bridesmaid and the drunk bitch. They they ran into a ditch right outside of the venue, but they tell me the car is fine. They just need my dad's info to help them get out and handle the situation. Oh my God. Don't call her my God. I'm not worried about it. They'll just pull it out of the ditch and it'll be fine. In my head, then I get another call from another friend who pulled up to Hell Drunk Bitch is unconscious and finally wakes up screaming at the top of her lungs that she is going to sue everyone because she quote only had one Margarita. Haha. Wow, my cousin who is a policeman gets to the scene and he tries to help her get out of the car since she's not all the way there. She cusses him out and tells him he can't touch her and that she's gonna call the her lawyer. So he lets go of her and she passes out. Out and face plants and gravel and now has busted her nose. Oh my God. This bitch is a wreck turns out they weigh more than ran it into a ditch. They totaled my car. I'm a little angry at this point just a little girl. Oh, but drunk, so I don't know how bad this actually is. It's 2 a.m. And I'm exhausted by the whole day and just want to go to sleep get another call from my mother. My photographer is in jail with a DUI. She says, oh my God, this is a new one. We haven't doing this for a year and a half and we've never had a photographer DUI. No, thank God. I'm trying to be rational. But what the fuck dude also in her car? Yeah exactly. This is so fucked and her friend drunk bitch gets knocked out by my maid of honor and that is the best thing to happen all night. Oh my god. Oh man maid of honor for the win. Okay. I had a wonderful time on my honeymoon. But now I'm dealing with a huge mess turns out drunk bitch. She's Indian called my dad racist because he saved the last cocktail at the end of the night for me rather than letting her have it. Wow, that's not cool grabbed. My Mother's Day. Tits and shook them twice. Hello. Hello, Mom nicely told my husband's grandmother who 77 years old to come and get turnt with her after the wedding and they could have some fun. What does that mean? I'm old. We're drunk. Turnt mean. Yeah drunk. Okay grams is conservative as hell. She cussed out my brother-in-law and shook her fist at him. Well, it's kind of like the the old man get off my lawn. She yeah. No for taking us cussed him out for taking us away because quote the party wasn't over overall. I'm just laughing at the whole night and glad everyone is okay, but drunk bitches, officially no longer invited anywhere else. Hope you guys enjoy my story. I love listening to you guys every Tuesday kisses and hugs. No, thank you so much for your story. That's so funny. That was epic the she needs to get some help that woman. Yeah taking people's tits without asking that's just not cool. I mean well like a good tip Shake. Yeah, but it's like time and place people maybe not Grandma. Maybe not Graham or no is Mom. Sorry. Maybe not Mom shaking Grandma's titties too. Oh, no, those will shake. Okay. Well they will but no thank you for that. That was fabulous. Hey Rebecca. Yeah. I haven't been able to shut up about my mattress have I know I have had an ND mattress for about two years now and I am absolutely I asked my old mattress. It was so uncomfortable, you know and people were raving about ND I saw it was made in Toronto and were Canadians. I was like I'm down with that. I love that. It's Canadian. So I ordered one. Holy shit is the best sleep I've ever had in my life. That's amazing. Don't be fooled though. Just because they're Canadian. They still shipped to the US and he's foam has a unique open air cell structure that provides the perfect balance of comfort and support plus temperature control pressure relief and reduced motion transfer if you toss and turn you get hot at night. These are all things that are not going to be a Problem for you with an ND mattress and you will ship it to your door for free and if you a hundred night trial so you can you know test it out. See if you like it. If you don't they pick it up for free and refund your money. I'm telling you do it is the best decision you will ever make I am so happy. If you want to have the best sleep of your life risk-free support a Canadian company support the secret life of weddings podcast go to ND that CND y dot secret life of weddings.com and you will get $50 off your Andy mattress, all right, we have another listener story. I just stumbled onto your podcast a few days ago and cannot stop listening. My brother-in-law just got married to the most perfect sister-in-law anyone could ask for this past October and the wedding was basically Flawless. The only snafu was the almost a hundred year old Something Borrowed bouquet cord Hit the Floor during the you may kiss the bride kiss, but the groomed saved the day with that one. So all was well, but but I have a bachelorette story for you guys. Mmm. So for context of the story changing names and locations for protection of the innocent the bride's side of the party consisted of bride who we will call Bobby Joe. We call her BJ Bobby Joe whatever you can keep straight her sister the maid of honor who we will call Barbra Jean. I feel like a very easy. That's too many BJ. So you have to say, um, Gene our myself and three bridesmaids who we will call Beyonce Kelly and Michelle, that's hilarious. I love that. Okay, here it goes. King of a long one kind of a long story king of Longwood King of the long ones. I being the mom of the group was the designated. That would be a good porn name right King of the long ones. I being the mom of the group was the DD for the weekend DD's degnan designated driver case. Anyone doesn't know which everyone knows is everybody listening to this podcast is wicked drunk right now. Yes, we booked a suite at a winery that Bobby Joe hinted to us early on that. She would like to visit. We planned a few wine tastings and we bought tickets at a night club nearby to see a band that the Bridesmaids wanted to see hint hint the morning of our road trip arrives and we pick up Bobby Joe in our matching wine saying tank tops. Everything happens for a reason lling ha ha ha ha Hakuna Moscato. You can't sit with us. How mare low? Can you go? Hahaha cetera and we had to the first Winery the winery is gorgeous and we take lots of pictures and the lady officiating the tasting was giving us huge pores, like almost half a glass to taste. That's nice. Yes. Usually the only give you a little late. Mmm. I've never been on one of those actually, it's my it's my dream to do a secret life of weddings like wine trip in Niagara. I don't like wine. Well, we can get it down and I just thought it'd be pretty yeah me being the DDA could only have a tiny sip of each glass. So Bobby Joe enjoying Girls day gladly drink the remaining wine from my glass. I'll help you. We proceeded to the next unplanned Winery stop as we were ahead of schedule and couldn't check in at the hotel for a few hours. We have lunch there after our tasting and get some more pictures and then proceed to our final tasting and the hotel to check in. We finish our tasting tour of the warranty where we are staying and Barbra Jean and I can tell Bobby Joe has a pretty decent wine Buzz going on and try and get Her to drink water we check in at the hotel and get the room all decorated and proceed out to the back patio area for snacks and relaxing and Beyonce Michelle and Kelly break out the jello shots. So funny Barbra Jean and I have one Jell-O shot and the others all have a few we all clean the cheese and grape tray clean and head up to our room to play pin the lips on the penis. Oh dear and if you drinking games, Barbra Jean and I keep a light Buzz the whole night. You know what we're playing that on our hundredth episode. It's official. Yeah ellipse on the penis. I'm going to spin you around inside this little tiny booth and shove you at the door. There we go at the wall. I like it'll be good. Is it a big penis, you know would be a funnier game to put like a ton of lipstick on and like almost do the same thing. But then you have to actually go kiss the wall and then wherever your lipstick color and I'm down wouldn't that be funnier? Yes, that'd be a wicked way to do it and really funny to take pictures of yes, I agree. When have the eye masks the Sleep masks to put over her eyes. There we go. I'm just saying I'm down. Okay. So for that wine get away guys, all we're doing all night. Is that there we go. Yep, Barbra Jean and I keep a light Buzz the whole night. I think we had a feeling in the back of our minds of what was to come while the other is especially Bobby Joe pounded back quite a few spiked Seltzer's and poorly but heavily mixed cocktails. We all get dressed up and ready to go out to dinner and the club when things started to Rapidly go downhill. I found that my sweet baby boy had pulled my Romper out of the suitcase the night before while I was packing and I must not have noticed until that moment. Luckily Barbra Jean had an extra dress and we are the same size. We were finally able to find a lift big enough to fit all of us in the remote area of our hotel. We went downstairs to meet the driver and took what would end up being our final selfie of the evening in the elevator. We get into the minivan and greet our Lyft driver only to find out The only word in English he knows is hello. Oh, is it the say? Hello? Yeah. Hello. Hello side know Bobby Joe is very much a lightweight Drinker and even when she is completely sober gets carsick very easily. Oh fuck so we are about two minutes into our 20-minute lift ride and Barbra Jean and I noticed Bobby Joe looks a little green and quickly rolls down her window for are she keeps saying I'm fine, but then proceeded to open the car door as we are pulling haunted the express. Sway as Barbra Jean and I are yelling at the driver who can't understand us to pull over my got why wouldn't you just peek out the window? Yeah, he finally pulls over and Barbra Jean jumps out of the car to help Bobby Joe who is bent over the guardrail puking. Oh, no after he's going hello. Hello, after three more incidents like that. We make it to about my God. It's like by the yeah. We make it about four blocks before the restaurant went Bobby Joe starts pleading to get out and walk. We thank the driver and say we will walk the rest of the way. We make it to the restaurant and Bobby Joe drinks a glass of water as we wait for our table and nibbles on some bread when we are seated suddenly. She gets up and says I'm going to the bathroom I had to go to and said I'm right behind you. Well, let's just say we made it two feet from the front door and she bolted outside and all. All of the water and bread she just ate came back up all over both our feet and all over the sidewalk of the main strip. Oh, no wine is nasty when you get too much Nu is yeah nasty a group of guys from what I would assume was a bachelor party walking into a strip club behind us starts cheering and hooting and carrying on and whipped around and told them sorry and I whipped around and told them to fuck off and get a life as her sister came outside. Oh no. We discussed with Bobbi Jo and decided her condition was now very bad as she was not keeping anything down and we were going to take her back to the room and the other girls could go enjoy dinner and the club I go in to tell the other girls. We were catching an Uber and going back to the hotel. They immediately started whining and bitching and we're like she needs to sit down and drink this ginger ale and eat some bread. She will feel much better. I put my foot down and said, she said she wants to go back and we are going with her you guys. I'd say and enjoy yourselves and the show it is the worst thing when you're feeling that said. Yeah the worst all you just want to do is die and you don't want to do that and no they reluctantly followed me out of the restaurant and to the Uber which was a wheelchair rigged minivan with no seat belts on the back bench the girls immediately start complaining about the Uber and we said, okay then let's get another one and they were like, nope, it's fine. It's fine. That's one of the women it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Bobby Joe is tirelessly apologizing for being sick to the girls because she's picking up on their attitudes while her sister and I are texting back and forth about how childish and careless. They were acting mind you her sister and I are both three years younger than these other girls. Wow, which one is the bride again? Is that Bobby Joe? Yeah. Yeah all poor thing. We traveled the several blocks to the expressway. And as soon as we hit the expressway the Beyonce Michelle and Kelly start bitching that they should have stayed and gone to the club. And how much they wish they'd stayed and seeing if they would have enough time to ride back before they cut people off just seriously unbelievable behavior from people who are supposed to be the bride's best friends Barbra Jean and I both told the driver to stay in the right. Most Lane as Bobby, Joe will be getting sick at least once all right back the driver proceeds to ignore our request then one can only say goodbye. Yeah and moves into the Verlaine Bobby Joe quickly rolls down the window for some air and we scream at the driver to pull over and before he can even get into the right lane Bobby Joe pukes out the window leaving some residue on the window and door the driver starts yelling and whining how he has to get the card read detailed now and we were like we don't want to hear it. We told you we pull up to the hotel and Bobby Joe is in tears at this point and the driver who is quite a large. Man Stomps around the car and looks at the door and throws a full-on hissy fit about he how he can't drive anyone else tonight blah blah blah and that he's putting a complaint into Uber who is going to charge us a hundred dollars for a car wash for his car. I walk they do do that. Do they really? Yep. Oh dear. I walk over and not my water bottle down the outside of the passenger door and wipe it down with the sleeves of my sweater and say there's your damn car wash now piss off. For you. Yeah, we walk Bobby Joe into the hotel and I look back and see her sister give the driver some cash, which I later found out was a hundred dollars to get his stupid rickety-ass bucket of bolts van washed from the Teensy amount of spit up that Bobby Joe got on it going to say how much can this girl possibly have left? Yeah. So really not much now, but they do like to do that. The bride's bitches continue to bitch and moan throughout the rest of the night came the next morning. I'm still Not every time I don't like Bridesmaids in a story they're going to be Brides bitches. Yep. I'm down. We ended up skipping breakfast and stopping at Wawa on our way home because Bobby Joe insisted on buying us all coffee and something to eat because she thought we were all mad at her for ruining her bachelorette party. How fucked up is that this matter in which her momzilla totally played into and told her she had to pay for the hotel and the club tickets. We didn't get to use I took them back. Back and drop them all off at Bobby Joe's parents house, which is where I picked them up from the morning prior and they all pitched about that because they thought I was going to drive all over town to drop them off with my six sister-in-law still in the car. Yeah. I don't think so. I kicked them out of the car and picked her up some Gatorade and soup and took her home and sat with her until she held down liquids and food and my brother-in-law came home. Can we just say bachelorette party from Hell anyways. Like the story. I'm an aspiring photographer trying to get into the photography game in the next few months. So this is bad episode for you all over her dreams. I would greatly appreciate any pointers. You have to offer live podcast one can run to get hurt with the new episodes. Thanks again. Oh my God. Okay. First of all, we're sorry. I forgot about that part. Okay of the story are cynical old bitches. Just don't even don't even mind us. Listen, honey. I don't even mind. I'll write you an email. Don't worry. Yes, Rebecca's got you. Listen, you'll be fine. As long as you love it. Yep. You'll do great. Yep. Second shoot help out other people. Yep, make friends in the industry. These have a good website. Great website have a social. Yeah, you're all about making. Yeah. See I have a totally different. I don't believe in making friends in the industry. Oh, you have to know but you prefer work back and forth to one another. No, I'll make a couple friends. That's it. Yeah, I'm just And it's gone well for me, but I guess this is the introvert extrovert way if you're an introvert do what Rebecca? No, no, I would did make friends in the beginning. Did you? Yeah, and it didn't go with a disservice. I'm sorry. Yeah, so my overall has been good. Let me just say some photographers are dicks. So they're not there to help you whatsoever. They don't care about you some everybody or dicks. I think exactly right. All right, so thank you again for that email. That was amazing and good luck in your photography career. We hope to hear Lots about it and hope it's awesome. Hmm. So we are going to read now the last part of our mama drama Saga because oh, yeah, you know, why not part 3 of 3 I am curious if anybody went and found this one. Oh, you mean to read ahead yeah, somebody asked me on social media they said I can't remember who it was but they said does Rebecca read ahead in the Saga because I'm dying to know when I said she totally does at least see her but she totally does. I know it all I might have been on patreon because we were reading that other long story. Yeah might have been on that one. Oh my God. What? I got muted. Okay, we'll talk about that in a minute. We're going to talk about that after okay Rebecca got muted in a Facebook group. And that's for a silly reason. But any who will talk about that in a minute, so part three of our Saga here. This will make me get kicked out. Watch this. Sorry. Go ahead. We left the gifts at the venue along with the car as we were drunk and went home. I had nightmares about the wedding all Long my husband took pity on me in the morning and went with father-in-law to retrieve our things long story short and I'm blurring the details for anonymity. We got robbed overnight. What? Oh, fuck thieves broke a window to get into our car to and stole amongst other things. My husband's favorite pants while damn it. You know, what there's nothing like your day just does not get worse than when your favorite pants are stolen. Okay, you know what though? I would be I have favorite pants. Yeah, and I would be I would lose my mind. What are you so mad are you told them? What are your favorite pants? My favorite pants are the ones I wear to work which are what they're from Banana Republic. They're just like a loose cute pant with black. Yeah pockets on the side. I love them and it's so funny because when I bought them on like I should buy two and I didn't and I went back to go get another pair and they were sold out. Don't make them anymore. There was like just this one time thing of course, of course, right? So now I'm like because you lie God if anything happens these pants, I'll lose my mind. It's because you liked them. So the moment they got worked out Rebecca loser likes them fucking cut that shit off right now, right? Yeah no more. I'm not making any more pants. Yeah, you know what take pants out entirely none. I feel this pain. I feel this pain of this I do favorite pants are pay. Yes. I feel that this is good. They were my favorite pants to his butt looked. Ting thieves broke into the venue took some of the venue's outdoor furniture and all the gifts and cards. Wow. So wow, so their cards were left overnight. So guys never leave your money anywhere overnight. That's not like in a safe. Whoo. We hadn't even unwrapped them yet. I've not been able to send out proper thank-you notes. That sucks. Thank you. We didn't get anything. Ha ha ha the venue. Thank you, but I have bad news. The venue was a small nonprofit Community Hall who was cooperating fully with the police investigation. We had underway they done all they could in terms of security and were in no way responsible. We were working on the issue with them insurance and police it was being sorted. So it was already a miserable morning for us when my mom and dad showed up at our house. They hadn't given us their gifts last night and we're bringing them around my bridesmaid / BFF. Was also there she'd been roped into hugging me while my husband fix the car mom acts like absolutely none of her tantrum last night happened and I thanked them properly for the gifts because sometimes it's easier to drop that then pick a fight, right? Oh, I definitely wouldn't know you mean you wouldn't my grudges Gogi. What are you a tourist like me? Nope Capricorn? I know you're not I know they'd seen the broken car window on the way in and we outlined what happened. And how her throwing a fit and leaving was inappropriate and not helpful. I'm proud to say I didn't swear or yell, but I did use what has now been dubbed my scary ice voice. She looked shamefaced when she left my husband got to work on fixing the car window because we plan to leave for a road trip honeymoon the next day. I did nothing of any value that day and it was glorious till I get an email from my mother. She's like, oh you're having fun. Hold on. It was a copy of an email. She'd sent to the venue. She had not been involved in the venue planning part of the wedding. So I don't know how she got their contact details. It was not a polite email. It was about how they had failed her how the wedding was tainted due to their negligence. She'd written a personal Victim Impact statement and given it to the police. Oh my God. She also had several unrealistic suggestions to stop others being hurt the She was think 24-hour security guards at a tiny Community Hall by allowing my car to be broken into the venue had ruined my honeymoon as well as destroying my wedding. Can you imagine this poor Community Hall coordinator getting this email? She would have died. She was going to take this issue as far as she could. She even insinuated that the hall was in on it. I was so angry. This wasn't her fight. How dare she Co-op my Misfortune my reply all was again ice cold. I told the venue that my mother was in no way speaking on behalf of myself or my husband. We were happy with the service. They had provided and while this was severely unfortunate it wasn't their fault. Mom wasn't behaving rationally. No one with any right to assign blame was blaming them. They should feel free to ignore her suggestions and threats and should probably just delete any future emails from her the good for them like standing up and yeah and was like guys ignore the crazy woman. Yeah writing you right now. I think the once again at the end of the day, it's not the venue. So it's actually their fault. It's because they didn't take the cards home. Yeah. Yeah, like the whole broken into the car. That's just unfortunate. It's no one's fault. No, but the whole breaking into the venue even like they you know what you're taking your gifts home, but I think they accept that for sure the venue responded and thanked me they had been concerned like a so my mother responded with insanity and vitriol. Basically, she doesn't need my permission to verbally attack a small nonprofit Community Hall on my behalf. Of course, this was about her. She was the mother of the bride and her feelings and opinions were important. She had a right to be mad at the hall. They had convinced me that she was to blame for the robbery. And that was why I was abusing her when she came round earlier that day. Wow. She's out to lunch Jesus. Her daughter would never say that her behavior was inappropriate. I must have been misled and confused by the venue that evil then you also how dare I abuse her in front of company my BFF, how dare I be so disrespectful in front of people. She came to me with gifts and hand and I had rejected her once again by saying she wasn't allowed to write a victim impact statement about my robbery just like I'd rejected her at the wedding by not spending time with her or making a big deal about her mother of the bride status. I was obviously not going to do anything about the egregious betrayal done to me by the hall. So she had to step in and make sure it was done correctly. How dare I make her look like a fool in front of everyone saying she didn't know enough about the situation. Comment she knew more than I did about it. Oh my God. Okay. Okay, Mom. I moved all correspondence with her to a different folder drink another bottle of wine and had a new cry my husband fix the window and we went on our honeymoon almost as scheduled where I didn't talk to her at all which led to vignette number one in my first pose. You're all caught up with my wedding. It was about six weeks ago and I still have nightmares about the whole situation. Dad is now saying he Not too many years healing the Rifts people have made with Mom and he's getting old. So it's someone else's turn now, he does not mean mum, he means me after all she's old and not likely capable of change true older sister is still not talking to me younger sister is talking to me and seems to be firmly on our side though. I think she's still keeping things in about what happened at the wedding. Wow. That was a good one. That was Saga it was a pretty good song. Uh, it's outcome other is batshit and for know I know and for more batshit craziness go to our patreon. Yes code or patreon for additional episodes. We want to thank our new patreon members Ashley H. Read a be Samantha F. Just sent to F A me a rose F and Kelsey a again patreon.com go there for well. Actually you have to go to patreon.com slash secret life of running. So that's the URL. To get extra episodes first fewer free and you can help support the show and get more drama for your llama. Cool, write a rap ready go. I'm a wedding photographer and that one wedding the bride went to put on her dress and it didn't fit. It was a corset back with the flap that pulls across under it but she had gained weight and the flap didn't go all the way across her back anymore. She was flapless her mom started hysterically yelling at her daughter saying she warned her. She was getting fat and should have stopped eating so much. I hate the word fat either way. No, the bride is in tears and mortified. I had to kick the mom out of the room and take control of the situation. Luckily the hotel Sheets Were A close enough Ivory. So we cut a piece from the sheets be used as the fabric under the corset threading and it was possible. I kept a mom away from the poor bride all day. Oh that's such a good solution amazing for you. We went from a drunk photographer to one who's killing it above and beyond. Yeah. Go and Beyond love it amazing. That is so fabulous. Yeah, I like it hate the fat shaming the pisses me off and I think the word fat I know is that why you snapped at me earlier when I said I was fat. Yes. I don't I don't like people calling themselves fat. I don't call people fat and I don't think the word fat should be used agreed. I hate that word. We need a new word such a disgusting word will just make it fabulous instead. Yes, we'll replace the T with It'd be less if I'm fat tabulous. I'm fat tab. No, just get rid of the T and time. Yeah. Hey, I hate the word. I'm fabulous. Anyways, it's good. So don't forget to go to secret life of weddings out calm. If you want some merch we haven't taught talked about our Merchants a long time. Yeah, I still have to buy a t-shirt. Yeah, because there's t-shirts there is kind of a lot of everything but we've got our Whispering girls on there. So if you want some cute merch and to represent A little bit. Yeah for the screams. We actually just passed two thousand members in our Facebook group. That's cool, which is amazing. Yeah. So, you know our group is awesome unlike other groups. Okay. So Rebecca, you do tell us what happened to you on the Facebook. Yes to be fair. I'm in a lot of groups, but I don't I don't always read the rules. Nobody reads the rules. So it was funny this picture find out the hard way you get banned or muted right? I got muted and it's so funny because I've never been muted. It hurts doesn't I've never been kicked out and I've never been muted kind of stings doesn't it was kind of like well, what did I do? Yeah, I know. I know it's so funny and it's such a foreign thing to me that I went into our group chat on Facebook. Yeah that we have with some of our mods and I said, hey is this group working for anybody else because mine's not working you're soaking their like A fucking mute. And then I look at the top of the page and it says you've been muted like you've been muted for 24 hours or whatever. Are you back yet at like three something today. I'll be back. Okay. Yeah, I'm counting down the minutes, but I was little peeved. Yeah, tell them why okay, I was a lot peeved actually. Yeah because I Jen I don't I don't post anything in there. No, I just kind of like I'll skim through it. Do you want to look at group? It was I don't know why I'm gonna get kicked out now, which whatever I don't. Care, that's it. I'm wetting shaming. Yep. The is that the original Grille is that not the original grouping? Not the original? I don't know. Actually, you're still in here. I got kicked out and banned from the original groups. Yeah, I like the other one. Which one is the one you go? I'm so curious. Which one did you get muted on now was it that's it. I'm wetting shaming. So not the non-band happy. Yeah, not that one. I'm still in that one. That's the good one. Yeah. Okay, so I got banned and you've been muted. Yes. Haha. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do you know why? Why someone posted a picture of like a spiral ceremony setting so have the chairs going in a spiral which I thought was really pretty. That's actually cool. Yeah, and a lot of people I was reading the comments because I thought oh, that's so neat. I've never seen that before and I've been doing this so long, right? Yeah, and I was looking at it and I saw like are you know, everyone was shooting on it? Of course because that's what you do in there and I was like whatever teach their own but then a lot of people were saying how you can't even get Photos bubble butt and I thought yeah, you can actually you can get really great photos because you have every perspective 360. Yeah, so I trimmed in as a wedding photographer sure and I just said I actually loved it and I saw that you sent me screencap was like seven people agree with your some. Yeah, and I said I loved it and I and it's actually I put in Brackets. Why don't we talk over here? You can actually get all perspectives. It's actually pretty cool. Right and I got muted for that. How dare you not be as a he know why I got muted why? Why because I went and read their terms the rules because I was like, I don't understand. What did I do wrong? Yeah, and it says ain't caught capitals. Shame things through number 5 rule. No compson commenting. Oh, this is so cute. I love it kiss hug kiss hug, or I had this and it was so great. I loved it blah blah blah. If you want to praise things or be positive or ask planning advice head to are connected group. That's it. I'm wetting praising. You're welcome to disagree and not find things shame were they Keep it to yourself. And then another one it says shame or get the fuck out. Wow. So that is a bitter bitter person who wrote those rules. They might have wrong didn't think that that's kind of it's a little much. I know a lot of our our listeners that are in that group, but guys that's a little aren't you afraid to say anything, you know, here's the thing. I'm all for wedding shaming in a funny way, whatever like spent for sure. That's what our whole show is but but at the same time you have to let people have opinions or else it's just like hate-mongering at some point. I feel like after I read that I was like, oh this group is not for me. Because I feel like it's just going to bring me to such a negative outlook. Well, then you're in there too much. There's something healthy about a bunch of people being like I actually really like it and then it's like you have one side guy like positive one. So why do you have to have a causative only or a negative only? Yeah like that non ban happy group. It's positive and negative. I've seen all kinds of policy it. Well, that's when you said to I said, but I see it all the time and now I realized it's because it's the other guy. Yeah, and I'm like, okay. So seven people agree with me. That's one way from a posted some people agree with me. Hey B. There's three other people that commented so I guess we all got fucking muted. That's that made positive comment saying I like it and shut the fuck up. Yeah, and I'm just like, I'm sorry. What happened to you as a child that you are so angry at the world message them and go who hurt you. Yes what to and you know what? I'm not judging anybody who hangs out in there. That's cool. Whatever if you dig the negativity more power to you, but I couldn't and I know our show can come across a negative 2 at times but oh my God, I have to I actually want to post in that group before I leave and just say what the fuck happened to you Rebecca just because I like to laugh at a Although getting shot out of it hitting a guy in the head and actually give you a stitches don't think I'm negative. But the problem is I think that my issue was that there shaming everything and everyone but you know, what's hilarious they don't allow body shaming. It's you can shame everything else in the world. But I swear to God if you call that woman fat you're out of here. Is that the fucked up it's fucked up because body shaming is fucked up no matter what you do, but at the same so you can call people pieces of shit. You can tell them that they're disgusting and their trailer trash, but you cannot call them fat but don't you dare comment on their body even comment on their clothes their weddings their loved ones their children, probably yes, but you can't comment on their Yes. Yeah, it's a yeah double edged sword. I don't know am I wrong? No, you're not. I've actually spent a little too much time thinking about this. Yeah, I'm going no, but just come to the other one just comes I am in the other one and I like the other one and I'll comment and stuff in that one because I like that one. I wouldn't deserves your but this one. I just had it just it was in my feed. Right so I went and read it and I was just like, okay, but I was like, okay, hold on you guys you guys are kind of if your opinion is Li like intelligent, yeah, I hate to be a dick but to say that you're going to get awful photos and that know you're deadly wrong. The problem I have is your you're not allowed to have an opinion. Yes, when you're not allowed to even have a fair opinion in a group. They had a problem with a rule comes up in my opinion. So basically I have to go there in there and shit on everything and everyone even whether you feel it or not. Yes, and then that's it. Yep. So shit aren't shit on everything or get out. Yep. Should our get out. Well, I'm taking it out because I don't know I feel like shitting on everything and everyone. I'm going to follow up with you on this next week and make sure you've left this group and that you're coming. I am leaving. Are you I feel like I need to like fucking poke the bear before I go. What are you gonna do? Like post something put up a post about how beautiful something is and how gorgeous? Yes, so I'm going to say go fuck a unicorn or some shit. Like, what's wrong? What's wrong with everybody? Hey, fuck you that poor Unicorn. It's not everybody. I know there's a lot of we have a lot of Screams in there too, which is sure which I get that it can you say target market? It isn't it isn't dying. It's a whole other level in there. Actually, we've had a lot of people come into our group and just say it was too negative. Yeah, not our group the other groups like you're making negative comments just for the sake of it. Yeah, there's they're shooting on people just for the sake of it. Yeah. There's there's a line guys. We should only be told people know we'd well we do a little bit feel like when we do it's warranted. Does that make sense? Yes, yes, but see that's why I commented was all because it bugs me. I have my hand up. Yeah, can I say something? Yeah. Also if someone was like came to our group and said I disagree I respectfully disagree with you for these reasons. What do you think? I would do what I mute them. No, I won't have a discussion with them about it or I would say sorry. That's just what I put here. They're relying on the fact that that's part of the rules, but I'm like, why is that a rule though? Just because it's a rule doesn't mean It's not bullshit. I think we know that it's a cult. It's officially a cult. No, isn't it wouldn't be a calls. If you're not allowed to do this you only you can only do this. Yeah, that's a cult. Yep. You know turn around they're going to be given free personality test next week. You just watched. It's coming and then they're gonna let sit for the only reason I commented was cuz people kept commenting on how bad the photos will be would be and it bugged me because I'm like, you don't actually don't know what you're saying because I actually do know what I'm saying in that group who goes. Oh, well, I was going to do this. It was my dream, but I can't because the photos will be terrible and you just helped them I got muted for it. You're welcome. Well, I think that's wrong. I was president get kicked out. Yeah. Well anyway, maybe because I never comment you will be now. I don't even know why I was in there. I didn't know it was a rule well, I don't think many people do that's fucked. It is fucked. But you know what guys they get to they get to police that all the time. That must be really fun for them. Yeah. No, thank you. No fucking thank you. Don't come to our group if you're sensitive because we don't yeah, we're not exactly you know, PG fucking PG either like it's pretty like we got shit in there but no, but it's all and everyone's allowed their opinion as well. Yes. It's like some people like what we posted some people don't and that's okay IE turkey. Man, right this is just what we have. I've had people being like I need to see this turkey now. Yeah, so but we're not telling you to like it. Now you best like turkey man. If you say one bad thing about turkey Mega get the fuck out. That's it. Anywho. Yeah, I dunno why I didn't even want to mention their name because I don't even want to give them I know attention but go to the will make this a positive thing go to our group. Yeah, and we won't censor what you say. As long as you're not a complete dick. Yeah, you know Yeah, and believe me. Our bar is real low for that like you have to really be low to get in trouble with us. You basically have to be racist or homophobic. Yeah, one of those really bad. Yeah Gary's but yeah, other than that, we're good as long as you don't touch on that shape. We're good. We're good. We're all good place. Mmm. Well, thank you for listening to episode 82 of the secret life of weddings podcast and remember anything can happen I weddings and we will be here to tell you all about it. 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And so there's many reasons why an Arctic can become a mentor Eric and blue energy availability and not consuming enough food are my children and load over training or an increase in training volume. That's quite common with see that and get a lot of questions in around that and travel and across time zones as well and lifestyle factors stress for psychological stress and weight loss and weight gain and then obviously the use of hormonal contraception. So but it's you know, We're massive Advocates. That know period is an issue. Hello and welcome to episode number 46. I'll forfeit sake this week. I'm joined by FIFA once again. Hello, and we're also joined by Nev Malin Nev. How you doing? Neves background is sports Scientist by trade Nev same as myself and Roads. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm currently working with Oracle in specifically Federal woman and look at Innovations to have science driven solutions to help optimize athlete. Commence, but fitter woman specifically do with female athletes. Yeah. Absolutely. I couldn't rockhead upset but a motor and fought before you crack into it FIFA and crack how you get none be enrolled usually do this. So it's probably good to have a little magic Force crack. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Let's go I put on my ski layer don't gonna get skiing this year, but I plan on my ski layer in preparation for sitting in 34. It's called pretty Juliet and get is called. Obviously. I'm very much looking forward to having roads back. Until you and he's I think he's we're recording this. Unfortunately a few days after the World Cup exit. So he's back. He think he could be back in the country as we speak. So looking forward to having a back in here and everyone's kind of been missing him and looking forward to catching up obviously not the way the guys wanted things to work out. But I'm sure he had an incredible experience not a huge value to the group and is looking forward to bringing all these Turnpike tolls I imagine so I'm looking forward to his presentation on the earnings from the Irish team for the FST. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. Okay. Anyway enough about roads, we always talk about roads. Leave, how are you doing? Yeah, good. I think it's Grace all super. Thanks for coming all the way down to your base in Galway. Yeah Argos offices. There's one in London LA and yeah, I'm based in golly. Okay, very good and you can always double in just to see us. So we've been trying to put this podcast together for a long time and it's coming from we send out sort of questionnaires stand and look for feedback on the podcast and this is an area that's very interesting to people. So what I'm not just talking about our female members, it's something that will be put up questions and Instagram. Our guys were coming back who've got questions from their Partners their girlfriends their daughters, whatever it might be. So like what we're going to talk about today is the effect of the menstrual cycle on training on nutrition habits aren't specifically on performance, which is what you're working on right now with fitter woman. And is there anything that you can kind of say about the app and the technology are trying to develop at the minute and yes, I suppose and one of the minions of the app is probably opening up the conversation and I suppose he meant recycle. Has been seen as a to be a taboo subject and for a long time and and I suppose we have said a woman want to try and open up the conversation and I athletes, you know to get the best from the body on any day regardless of if they're during their period and the lead up to the period or and what any time Point throughout the natural cycle. Okay, fantastic and obviously it's something several roads have been trying to like we talked about this I'd say when we when we set up the podcast just over a year ago and like you said, there was no one willing to really have that conversation with us. Became it was very difficult in our own circles to try and find somebody who come in and be willing to start this conversation. And so it's great to see that. You know, this is it things are moving in the right direction for female athletes. I think you're obviously from a sport Science Background. We will learn a lot of research when we were in college on the female. Athlete Triad. Yeah, and you know the impact that that has but that's very Niche that's specific to endurance Runners and the dysfunction dysfunctional period and how you can how we can have a negative effect on health and performance. So it isn't something that you see even for UFO with with clients administer something that's just much easier to discuss a kind of like a gym floor level are people more open to have conversations about it. Yeah, absolutely. Well in the run-up to this when we knew when I we had the date set for this and when it was happening, I think all of my female PT clients I've said so we're doing a podcast about periods Johnny questions. Great. Yeah great and everyone's got a different obviously a very personal experience on us and they've somewhere like, okay cool. Great. No, I'm fine. It doesn't really affect me much or Oklahoma. Wow amazing. Or is that it's someone else last week and she said oh, yeah, I always hear like testing week always my period always fell on testing because I never tested those members will understand what I mean by that in the testing of come every four or eight weeks said, yeah just do it. We'll talk with that more specific because that's the pride inside. Yeah. I'm really interested pygmies rain that to like the experience that I would have as a male culture in the industry for the last seven years is luckily over the last few years women have been very comfortable discussing their period and and the effect that it has on them when they do come into the gym and that that's great. That's a step forward because even seven years ago. No one would come and say that to us. So I assume that comes with trust over time. We've built relationships with clients. They're okay to discuss these things with us, but now even newer clients. We haven't in the gym, there are far more open to discuss what stage they're at in their cycle and how they're feeling. So I suppose what we really want to dig into today. What you need is the different stages throughout the cycle and what people should expect whether it's a decrease through hormonal balance and performance whether it's an increase in Cravings are It's the food that the common things that are discussed. So and if we're to start the testing point is a really good example and you know, so like we test our clients on eight eight weeks rank blocks. We text test them at week 4 and week 8 so your comment. I know who said that I'm not going to call you out on air but like I've heard loads of people say that or how can I test when I have my period I'm going to I'm going to be weaker because there's there's popular podcast out there where this this information was shared was before some guy has podcast He said it's the James Smith podcast. That's the podcast podcast. Okay, and you know great podcast puts out a lot of Regal content, but that's come back to us as coaches, you know over a year ago saying, well, you know, I can never reach my Max figures during my period is this true Nev in your experience? What where's the researchers probably are the kickoff and your menstrual cycle is driven by to me and hormones and estradiol origin and progesterone and may fluctuate over the course of your cycle. And so we're Federal. I've broken the cycle into four main phases are fears one their menstruation phase two days. After menstruation fee is three m is in around ovulation and then four years for is the days leading into your next period And so sort of based on these four phases and the hormones sort of fluctuate continuously and we try and look at it more objectively. Obviously your menstrual cycle. There is a blade and a lot of women. Sorry women are meals, you know, Think it's very gross topic to talk about but if we look at it more objectively and say that is all it is. It's a cycle of hormones continuously fluctuating how we going to work with it. And that's probably the best place to start and so in terms of your talking there about and strength training and what was the question again. Sorry, you said about do a testing so it's a lot of a lot of women would come and say if their period Falls I'm testing require max strength is the outcome. They'd be reluctant to test or they'd have a I could never be at my best during that. It so first part of the poem. Yeah, so I suppose that so that's man. She should not be fears one. And so that's when a surgeon and progesterone and are probably at the lowest and on at that point. Then females will be able to access glycogen and more readily and which means and that they're able to push harder and in sessions and because glycogen is more or available. So we would recommend and the app that you know, females focus on sort of high intensity strength based work at that time. And so I would go back to your client and say test away because that's probably a good time to do so potentially the exact opposite to what a lot of us might think it's the testing of I feel crap. I feel a bit crampy. I just don't feel great. You know, I don't think one of it day too, but we're really get out there and do it. There's no doubt about it. You probably will feel knock. It and but once you actually get through that and you get into the gym and you should be able to push hard and I'm hit the scores. I think that's really interesting because like let's put the elephant it over here. I can't discuss from experience only from experience at the women in my life and all the members that I work with, but I can't imagine what it feels like when you have your period I can imagine it's you know, it's the first couple days. You don't feel great your mood changes. You might want to go to the gym. You just like his ultimate. It's just that feeling so It does the knowledge that hang on. I actually can like physiologically be at my best here. Is that like how would that affect you even if you knew like now that you know that I didn't know that coming in here if you knew okay, I actually can Peak here. There's a potential reader Peak. Is it still the mental hurdle? Like do you just have some kind of a trick to save yourself? Look let's get in there and go it's her some people something listen just might be like, yeah, that's very easy to say. Yeah. I'm I'm I particularly have a heavy period first other people, you know. Well, how's that going to sing to you? When one of the girls who's Member for years and years and years replied to me reply to my message when I put up a story last week. I said hey girls this is happening or guys. What questions do you want to school starts tonsured and when the girls at oh my God amazing. I'm absolutely like cramped and wrapped up at home for three four days with it. And I have I'd I know she's tough. She's met me before and said I've got really bad cramps. I can't get to class this evening, but everyone's got such a different experience of it and everyone's got such a different experience of training themselves and how much testing they've done. That's so contextual for the individual but I suppose it does come in. In a little bit like the way if you go into testing for your 3rm on testing week and you know, like at the moment sonar week before that they're doing force and then they go to three some testing week. So if you know for argument second week for they've done a certain number. Yeah, you're not feeling a strong. Look. I know I did this last week. This is in me. Like I go one rep at a time. I get it and I stick to my good for my do it. So it's a little bit of that. I've got this I can do this. It's a little very helpful to know that much I think and have that secret sort of not this is going to work for me. This is not going to be shitty for me. This is going to work for me. I think so a little bit. Yeah. Think you can really use that. Yeah, I think we are supposedly one of the men and ideas behind the app was to empower women and they look, you know, they log into the app and they can see that you know, okay. This is how I should be feeling but this is what I can do, you know, there's always something you can do and that empowers them to get out there and move and I'm feeling better increase, you know, if you can actually size at all during that time will increase, you know, the release of endorphins it get, you know, feeling more positive increase your mood. And just ultimately make you feel better. So that was that was a real one of the main ideas behind the app ID and that's it's incredible because you talk about just getting into the gym and starting and I think most ladies and all that you work with they come in and the silica I have my period. I'm not sure I'm going to do my best within five minutes it once they start They're laughing. They're joking their training hard. If you wouldn't have a clue, you know, where's it's if you look at it this way you go. Well, hang on. I actually can't physiologically perform here, right? There's a mental barrier might be a discomfort or pain barrier and if that's the case completely understandable that you know you either It might take a little bit longer during that first menstruation phase to build up, you know, the Comfort go in and train but like if you can get in and just start dot but physiologically you can't perform. I think that's good that's huge for a lot of people because that's something that I definitely wouldn't have known and so anyone who comes in and says I'm on my period I can't lift this heavy. I can't say well, hang on a second. You told me you can't on put that weight on the bar and let's go. So sorry about that everybody. We haven't week three its tired. Yeah. Okay. So what happens next time so that's so yes. And so then as you move into phase two, and these are the days following on from your period. This is probably the the most beneficial for use in terms of training. So your adoption to training this time is probably at its highest and so each region is raisin, but progestin still remain and low so adoption to high intensity and strength training and as out its peak as estrogen is hey, yeah, it is an anabolic effect on muscle therefore a must Couple years greater following muscle breakdown as a result of exercise. Okay, which means that your adoption will be great at this time, though, despite the benefits you can gain at this time and its region does tend to decrease pool collagen synthesis, which can increase ligament laxity. Okay, which can then obviously make females more susceptible to certain types of injury. We're not saying that you're going to get injured. Yeah, and but they are more susceptible. Also, we will sort of recommend a real Progressive warm up and I may be consuming some sort of collagen supplement this time to try and combat the effects of that. What could that be a collagen supplement? What does that look like? And yeah, so it's something very simple go to the supermarket and buy some gelatin and preferably bovine gelatin and mix it up with some vitamin C and vitamin C contains exotic acid which helps to helps you to probably to absorb the collagen and a lot better mix it up. Stick it in the fridge. Emma make some jelly. And so if I buy kids jelly. Oh my is that what we're going to look and not specifically? Okay. Next time you bring in jelly babies probably steer clear. It just a simple sort of tap we would recommend is to just two. Breathe into your routine. There are three things that are really interesting. That one is it's coming back to that empowering. Is that like, you know, okay. This is the phase that I mean, this is what I do. This is what I need to do like it's taking ownership of because I find a lot of people period happens to them. Yeah, right. So this is something that does confuse me. Please people don't kill me when I say this but like for the women I speak to when it comes to training I speak to the same women a lot and I tell them the same things as you should know. This is going to happen at this stage. Okay? No, but it's the same conversations. Where as if If you use something like the app where you know, you're taking ownership of it your period is something that happens to you. This isn't happening to you. This is a process is something that all I own now, when you take ownership of it, you know, you can be in control of what happens to you at that time. I just think that that's really important and that that's one of the great things about the app. Yeah, I think like it's an advantage the females have before meals. They communicated through Trina the Hill Country at certain points of their cycle. And so that's what the apps all about empowering women to sort of get the passion themselves and be Proactive rather than reactive. Okay. I think the other things that are really interesting in that second phase is obviously better adaptation to training is huge. But I think either you're probably a great example for for example, if laxity is higher at certain periods. Again, sorry if Black Sea is higher at certain times throughout the cycle things, like deep squats like a party or Olympic lifting, you know, a lot of deep squats overhead squats that might be something you could look to avoid during that period that that be very practical implementation of the research. Absolutely and I think when you dream job at wait Lifting weights up to me then I immediately think oh, there's so many younger girls getting into weightlifting. Yeah, and there's so many obviously in here at we're hitting a certain age group. Typically. Our members are certain age group. When you look at Sports in the greater context and a lot of our females in your are doing in other sports as well and women coming into sport. I thought younger age you could potentially have your first match. You could have your first competition you got your period that day on your suddenly like a lots about experience and I can't maybe can't talk to someone about it there. So it must have lie like Is worth talking about just from the point of view of will walk training makes sense at this time doesn't make sense to your competition. Does it make sense to do deep squats that time does it and so yeah things like just what exercise my doing but also really like it from a broader training going to do what makes sense to do during that time or not. Yeah, that was a little bit of a second tangent off there. So I like it. I just worry about your deep squats. That's all I saw you die squatting this more you don't train that often because you had it you tell everyone you train like at Throwing my weight lifting we see you train once a month. It's a treat. It's pizzi train. She used a treat for me. She's a sweet. Yeah. All right, so then roll into the third phase. Yeah, and then in the face three, I suppose and high usage in throughout history. Yeah to cause your body and see if glycogen stores and use fat as a few and this time. Okay. Yeah, this is random variation. And so and fathers are more effective and energy source as opposed to glycogen. And so you me females are may be more prone to be able to sustain longer endurance efforts. Yes time as opposed to you know, high-intensity sort of strength this work. And so yeah, so this would be the time for endurance because work. Yeah during three throughout history. Type of gesture levels and around this time means that you know, it is the opposite effect to hydrogen so it would be more catabolic which means it promote muscle breakdown. Are there for Recovery is compromised massively at this time and your ability to maintain muscle mass. So if you had if going back to the strength training and testing if you're in that phase 3 and it's testing is it a go do your testing? Be realistic being sort of set maybe a more manageable expectation on it rather than Phase 1 real thing and let's go for this. We've got it. Everything is working for me at this point or is it a case of you can still perform but because you're not more catabolic State your recovery just has to take precedence during that period I tell you that grind that period of recovery is massive and whether that be from whatever recovery modalities use and more from a nutritional standpoint. Yeah, you know getting your poutine in your Eddie to 60 Minutes post exercise and then you're you know continuous protein throughout the course of the day and but recovery should take precedence. Absolutely at this time. I'm just kind of curious I would probably talk about your own experience in sports up to your playing intercom DiCamillo Gigi. It's a minute. Yeah and like for you does this tie in just before we get into the four-part. Does this tie in with you for your own personal training sojourn week one you're looking at right heavy strength I'm going to do is find intensity training stuff that's got huge carbohydrate in mind because I can utilize that carbohydrate very effectively. Phase 2 and no 3 p is to you probably Focus heavy on that as well. Okay? Yeah, okay and obviously just being cautious of the the downsides with the agrees laxity maybe looking at your collagen supplement or whatever else. Yeah, and then in Phase 3, which is that where you look at more because especially for a corgi huge amount of you know, steady steady state activity for longer endurance words, would you look at that period to say like this is a really good time for me to hammer. My steady state exercise. Yeah, that's a massive opportunity and you know to try and improve your Probably your endurance capacity and obviously, you know more lower intensity exercise at that time and but again recovery is a massive focus and if fat loss is a goal of somebody's is that a very good time to try and very efficiently utilize fat as a fuel. Would that be at home where you can get more bang for buck from, you know, you could you could you could catalyze more fat much quicker during that period yeah. Okay, right so onto the fourth phase. Yes, so this is obviously the fears where everybody feels rubbish and doesn't really want to protect Exercise so all types of exercise or training at this time, you know, it's seen as beneficial and we were sort of suggest some sort of yoga pilates something more relaxing and but just get your body moving and exercise at this feels, you know can increase the release of endorphins, you know, increase piloted every mood and and just probably try and yeah as I say just get him moving at this time and sleeps another issue at this time. Okay, and so it can be disrupted and protected as the hormones for am going to decline And progesterone and you know, your quality of seeps affected and and you knew your ability to fall asleep. So putting in practice, you know good sort of sleep hygiene routines and it is a big thing at this time as well and but exercise in any capacity and fears for and we would you recommend. Is there anything that you would recommend not doing or is it just come very much don't like evil say that personal preference. Yeah, obviously like the menstrual cycle and people, you know experience it extremely differently and so whatever. In sort of deal with yourself and your own capacity and go for it, but exercise in any form. She definitely benefit you what about your own practical experience with this like how we've given a research we've given this, you know, I don't like I'm I've learned two things today that I didn't know. I'm sure there's people listener going to be the same. How easy is it to practically apply this water day because I just I'm aware that people listen to podcasts when we talk about, you know, implementing the knowledge. It can be very difficult in the real world. So like what's your experience of like is it just down to have a really good system really good routine. What's it like for you as an Intercounty? Come only player? Yeah. Well, I'm not going to tell you any lies from a training perspective. It's not easy because we're in a team environment. Everybody's obviously on their own cycle and work from nutrition standpoint. Absolutely. That's something you can take ownership of so, I would really implement the nutrition strategies that we sort of recommend the app whether that be you know fears one menstruation. Iron lost therefore you need to try and increase your iron stores or increase your sources of iron in your diet three red meat spinach whatever it may be alongside some vitamin C and to sort of, you know, get the maximum out of absorption at that time. As I said top of the collagen supplement to the gelatin and Phase 2 and then a few as three and obviously recovery and should be priority. You're increasing your protein intake, you know, consuming sort of insulin sensitivity and instant. N7 sensitivity is sort of reduced the stage. So you're sort of want to consume sort of and complex carbohydrates snack slow-release carbohydrates to slowly sugar into the bloodstream. So I'm sort of take that on board and then fears for and inflammation be quite high. So trying to combat that with a lot of antioxidants through your berries and through your recovery smoothies, whatever it may be and I'll definitely am sort of so I would take a Also have ownership with my nutrition and as I said training and Physiology, it's difficult to do in a team environment and but as much as I can in terms of my own gym work, I would incorporate it. But on the pitch you just sort of have to align with what you're told. I think what's really interesting that as well as it creates, like for small Windows like nutrition is we'd be very much on have a base nutrition and like every knows the challenges in committing to something long term in terms of creation. This actually creates a little bit of Variety where there's a slightly different Focus or say each week so like that can actually if if you're focusing on one thing so okay. It's a routine of right my jellies or whatever whatever it might be Barry's a lot more berries and say week for whatever you want to go with that that can help reinforce. So many other really good nutrition habits and being a positive lifestyle lifestyle habits. So by taking ownership of this one area, which like we said some people feel like there's something happens to them if they take ownership of this one area. We can tweak it can really Force a whole a whole host of really positive physiological and just physical behaviors that allow women to be healthier, but also perform better in an exercise or performance setting. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. It really does. I think I was saying to you in when we start talking about this and I got an audiobook which is regular book as well called period power which is a lot more around it's not true. It's not training. It's not performs of knots work Focus. It's just as use that it's not about your period happening to you or that your Or the whole cycle, it's something that happens within your body. It's natural and it's yours and it's very individual and and that the focus in that really is like learn it use it know how yours affect you in every day and I'm thinking to kind of combine something she recommended in that which is to literally every day at an absolute minimum just write down like a word that describes how you're feeling. I think something that's then going to affect your training. Of course. We can't just go trading one side emotions and Rest your life elsewhere. So if you write down, even if it's just one word and then you might start to see Trends as to how that's what's happening. We can week and month or month and then use that as well to tie in with what you're learning from. Yeah in the app itself. We have a calendar section we can sort of log your symptoms and you can log notes. Yeah, that's a very simple way of doing that just literally everywhere every day every week. Whatever it is log note log your symptoms and you can see patterns and begin to you know, add develop and then If you're putting in place the recommendations to see if that sort of helping long-term. Okay, and then obviously from some people have are buying on 28 day cycle or the slightly longer other slightly shorter. How is how do I suppose how does the app tie in with that or what's the best way for someone who has a cycle which isn't 28 days and may not have a week-long one a week-long phase for each. What's the best approach for someone who wants to use the app but maybe is on a slightly longer cycle? Yeah. Still get us through that and it takes roughly three cycles and for you to log and before it sort of regulates to your you know to your own psycho. Okay? I'm so the more you use the app and the more sort of comfortable it becomes with your cycle and the more accurate. It becomes essentially great hands on those the hormone fluctuations you're talking about are they obviously I presume given that everything is a generalization or at least the average is 10. Laughs this from all the research of obviously hundreds and hundreds of thousands women if that's something that's very different among individuals that they might learn that actually that one's I'm a day I had on that one armored a mine usually kicks in earlier on that in terms of hormones. Yeah, and or is that again what the app takes into account on it read it? Yeah. Yeah based on the feedback that you are giving us ya know the app will account for all that and then based on that will give you your it will calculate the fuses for you and then and give you your M cycle length m in the app. And so the more you use it the more comfortable comes with you like obviously another area to look at here is like say it dysfunctional period where the cycle you know, you're saying that there's there's slight irregularities from the norm but that's still quite regular. So if it's a 24-day or 30-day period like it doesn't come across which we're like What watching women look to do if they have a seriously dysfunctional periods. Like what symptoms are what science should they look out for? Yeah, so obviously no period at all is a red flag. And so amenorrhea it's sort of the absence of a period and for 90 days or more. Okay, that's sort of secondary amenorrhea and then you've got primary aim area which is sort of No period before the age of 16 or so, there are two types of and amenorrhea and so there's many reasons why and I think can become a mentor Eric and low energy availability and not consuming enough food and a match between a node and over training or an increase in training volume. That's quite common with see that and get Questions in our own that and travel and across time zones as well and lifestyle factors stress for psychological stress and weight loss and weight gain and then obviously the use of hormonal contraception. So but it's, you know, where massive Advocates that know period is an issue you must address that so where we sort of always take the line at and a period having a period or a Her period is a Vital sign and of a happy and healthy sort of sort of system. So absolutely what will be the course of action is basically your doctor's right away. And yeah, so obviously make sure the athlete aware of the applications, you know that first and foremost and sure the athlete, you know was aware of the nutritional requirements in relation to the trailer and load. So are they consuming enough food to master trainer and encourage regular Fuel and and don't have large gaps between meals. Tend to do that go to end in the morning or maybe eat gold chain in the morning. Maybe don't eat again Trend in the evening and then eat again, and they're not much in their energy requirements whatsoever. And so you want to monitor your training load as well and increases should be Progressive. You don't want to just go from maybe training once a week the movie Training five six times a week. Your body will be able to cook without at all and then obviously seek advice from your medical, you know, practitioner and a check for any underlying sort of And medical or health concerns, but I think it's important, you know from a coach's perspective and a parent's perspective and on the athlete themselves of the mature enough, you know to sort of understand the implications in the performance implications. So they will have a decreased responses response, you know, dear train and Terminus and the Redeemer revered it delayed recovery and I'm suppose like more from a health side of things purple and health and off the back of that and low energy Ability, which will all contribute them to increase injury risk, which means trainers data lost which means in the overall decline of performance. I couldn't have heard that summed up any way better. And I think that's I think that's just really highlights the importance of and something you're talking about is stress. So obviously we're talking very specifically about athletes we would treat anyone who trains here as an athlete. They're serious Fitness enthusiasts in our oh, he's a funny one trains, you know once a week, but it's very committed to that session. And I think the impact of stress and other factors outside of just what you do physically I've seen from my experience that I could that can be huge and look what seven rods and we do a lot of our corporate talks. We we sort of use the analogy like stress is stress is stress. Your body doesn't know whether you're stressed because you know, you're waiting for payday to come up you've got bills to pay or if you just run a marathon your central nervous system feels stressed now locally muscles it feel different things, but you just feel stressed and you know, your body doesn't recognize these sometimes so If you're putting a huge one is stress by not much nutrition consumption with what your training load is if you're emotionally stressed, if you're not sleeping all these things add up, you know, that's going to be the Red Flag straight away. Yeah, absolutely and I suppose that's a massive sort of from a coach's, you know from a coach is standpoint that we sort of we want them to sort of identify these issues and and we've actually just, you know launched and not long ago around the Apple Time, Mr. Federal coach platform. So which is sort of where coaches have access and to their team's Federal improvements on a dashboard and where they can sort of see where each other it is. And which videos are in and what symptoms are logging in real-time and and if they're not logging and a cycle at all again as a red flag and this can allow the coach to probably, you know, put in place like proactive sort of recommendations. Therefore their athletes tell them to get the best out of themselves before we go into aoife got loads of questions saying before we go into those questions. This might be a little bit off the wall here. But if with that coach platform, is that something at a higher performance level to say Intercounty Emoji or football. Is there something a coach could look to do to manipulate Cycles? So what a coach it is create create a huge ethical issue or is it something that a team my by interfere and say okay. We want to try get everybody's cycle aligned so we can take advantage of these natural adaptation. Are happening a certain certain times. Is that something is that something that you've heard of obviously when you're create this platform probably getting feedback from coaches. There's a lot goes in is that something that you could see happen at some stage online or is that completely unethical out the wall not if I'm coaching. I've I'm gonna coach I want to win. Okay, and I'm I'm here a lot of positive aspects to what we could do here. So if I was a coach at at in the county level, you know, I'm wondering I don't know if I have to I can do this but is that something that's ever come up in conversation our competition data sets. No, that's six months out of right? Why do we have to yeah, so you're at a good face for on that day. That's it. Absolutely. So actually at this year's World Cup Women's World Cup and the US Women's National Team animals. Yeah for record yea high performance coach Dan Scott bought into the whole menstrual cycle gotten talk contact with their shells that fit a woman and when they utilize the federal code platform, so there you go and what they utilize the platform. Yeah, but necessarily put all their menstrual cycles if you don't know that She could be going there. Yeah, so they sort of manipulate a different sort of aspects. We don't know to what extent exactly that's just going to be going to keep that information live in an imaginary culture benefits. But absolutely I think down the line that's something that and there's more and more teams and sports are getting involved on the platform and which is fantastic to see and it's fantastic to see the buy-in from both coaches and athletes and in this area, which is something that I can only see expanded over the next it's very exciting and imagine for ue4 with When you have competition is called Big competition coming up in the next few weeks Freeport free plug competition in Turkey in three weeks 14th ish of November. It is a decent level International competition is called a silver level. Okay, come over the word. So usually for Olympics you can only Pure Country qualifies and earn spots. Based on your European or Pan Am or Asian and and your world positions, but they've created these new competitions which you your nation can use to help you earn those spots. Okay, that makes sense those that this is one of those competitions this competition is very close to the turkey and Syrian border. So what I diplomatic immunity go and sort things out before we got into the turkey. Syrians in politics there. Like would you look at using utilizing something like this and say right. I've got a competition x daesh, you know use ways to regulate your period to Peak during those times. Is that something you would consider doing now that you have this information that you might not had before and I absolutely would I'll give you the slightly. I won't go too long on this but one saying I was reading that book period now where I currently I'm on the pill so I don't effectively get a period you can I get a withdrawal bleed? Yeah, so I don't take the pills for seven days. I get a withdrawal bleed. I know. Buying on practically to the hour when that's going to happen based on when I took my last bill, but from reading the book and you're saying this is really an advantage that women have over man. I'm almost getting genuine period fomo because all these things you can do to improve your life and that you can use it on that. I'd be having a natural cycle rather than just hormone hormone hormone. No woman for seven days horrible hormone. How one know and can you doing it that way and it's worked for me. I know a lot of people a lot of friends who have said no kind of Oh near the near the pill in there Worth age makes me crazy. How do you just doesn't work for them for me? It's always worked on it's fine and what I am now starting to think well, well, I maybe I maybe I'll just give it a go and see see how I get on. Yeah, and so there are there definitely are benefits to it. Like you can have a light modulator period and with the pill whereas previous for me. It was really heavy. I was much younger the time there. Maybe I'm fine with that made my vote is not bodies massively changed. Anyway. Yeah. So now that I'm learning so much more about us. I'm definitely thinking there's a lot of benefits here. Yeah. At least thinking it that way to be asked it creates a conversational. Yeah, when he makes you think a different way about like that's that's gonna be really exciting time for I'm sure any for you. It's so exciting that like the Forefront of the research in the technology here to see people having these conversations to see, you know, someone like you who's who's trained as an athlete and much different disciplines at different levels for years to even you know, someone who's very experienced like even in her field to be rethinking things that must be very exciting for you guys. Absolutely like as I said, maybe one To five years ago, they're sort of topic was still a massive to be and I'm just stripping it back and open it up. The conversation is something we want to do and and providing you with the latest evidence-based research and I'm sort of information in a broken-down manageable way and is only going to Empire more and more females out there to open up the conversation and just becomes normal and both in a health perspective but in a sporting environment as well, so speaking of questions, either you put this up on Instagram. I think you're looking for your Students have some questions. Okay. Yeah, that's sort of what no pressure. No, Nev. Just gone to your head. Let's go if I'm taking painkillers for cramps. Yeah. Can I still then do strength training? So taking some of the paint goes into account the fact that someone's got really bad cramps. Is it still a good idea to then do strength training? Well, I assume if you're taking the painkillers for cramps, this is in and around these four and or maybe during your period therefore as I said earlier exercise in any capacity and it is good. And it releases endorphins and increases your mood increases your positivity and just generally makes you feel better. Obviously, we would sort of suggest and from a nutritional standpoint and we wouldn't say because you're experiencing, you know, a lot of information at this time increase your antioxidant intake, but obviously at the inflammatories are a necessity of certain times. So yeah, there's no reason why you shouldn't strike three and there's no white reason why you shouldn't train at all. The only caveat for that's probably the dosage of the painkillers depending on certain days painkillers hat will have different effects drowsy non-drowsy. I know this sounds basic but certain people might have a certain medication that works when it comes to cramps things like famine Ox older products where I don't know if you okay. Yeah, but no these are products. They might have different effects on how you might feel increased nausea those kind of things. So it probably is important to I would imagine the pain killer need to be as generic as possible and avoid those kind of side effects. I'm basing everything else. You've said potentially think get to know well what class works for me or well, I guess training works for me on what day usually I go to the evening class. I know if I get into that morning class instead that I'm going to feel a hell of a lot better for the day today because I've got those endorphins in the morning. He loved us. So maybe it makes more sense to know that you're going to book a book that class in advance. Get out of the game. Yeah taking ownership ownership are the Cravings real or emotional real for sure. Yeah, and so they often occur around. Fee is three and four and when a surgeon and progestin our height and are short in Phase 3 when a suggestion or high and then V is for when a gingerbread progestin decline the build up to your period so and the primary cause said to be related to changes in insulin sensitivity and energy requirements and appetite and sojourn fee is three High hormone levels affect glucose metabolism and transportation and leading to a decrease in insulin sensitivity and which may result in unstable blood sugar. Cause an energy dips and an increase in women Cravens am an appetite high-level suggestion may also cause a small increase and basal metabolic rate and during phase 3, which can cause your appetite and to increase. Okay. So basically your body your body's going to use more energy to do what you usually do. So you're going to want more food. So you're going to create more things. Yeah. Okay, and there's a particularly is because of the instant 70 sensitivity aspect of particularly makes I don't have the Cravings but chocolate seems to be kind of the chocolate more Kyra based food. Carbohydrate carbohydrate these Foods absolutely would be more okay, but also from a practical point of view again when you're doing the little or the Al D sharp and you know that weeks coming up get the stuff that you know is going to be good and useful during that time rather than run into Center and buying all of ya whipping up some nice healthy treats. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so like selected as I sort of mentioned and sort of some sort of Snoop slow-release are carbohydrates. Snacks hummus with Vege rice cakes and nut Butters, you know things that we potato brownies. I'm going to go I think they're going to add a lot more value now than that's yeah. I just found it on as well. And as well if you'll bring them in for the coaches when you're you know at that stage like we be happy enough to potato brownies for the lads on the what's going down. We can have a chat about. All right? Yeah. Okay. There are there's a few questions on girls. Hopefully your questions have been answered around. With training should I do this kind of training Shield? I am when I have my period what should I do or not? Yeah. It was on a question on that. I think most of those guys. Can I ask my something I was going through my mind when you're explaining the phases was on I sort of gave you a summary earlier of the kind of classes we have or maybe someone doing similar type of training where they've got strength glasses. Yeah. Well, they got strength training and they got more Rogue Based training. Yeah, and really what makes most sense to do is stick with your usual schedule. I like him like that week where you need the extra recovery know you need the extra recovery. Get to stick through usual schedule. Just know what your body needs more of at the time really, isn't it? Yeah, it's the it's the real thing to confidently do with your training. Okay, and one of the thing that did come up in the questions and which I think a lot of our first members might be interested in certainly coach is is our whoop bands and our heart. What are we getting money from Mars right by the way? Okay. Okay. We're not gonna give us any money. Okay? Well there myself but like not allowed to like that. Yeah, we have a T we have a team set up. Yeah. So today Rory I congratulated me on my recovery yesterday. Yeah, and it was to join our team. I believe it's better faster stronger on whoop. Is this? Yeah. Okay. Can anyone join could be coaches only let's just I'm not the admin of the team selected automatically email. Okay. Yeah, why the week leading up to my period my heart rate variability is much lower. Why? Is this and we were kind of talking about this before and saying that heart rate variability is something that we and a lot of members are now much more conscious of members are learning more about it, which is brilliant that they're learning something that actually in sports science. You might study or look into it some point but that there isn't necessarily that much research around at the moment in relation to menstruation. Yeah. So I suppose from a members point of viewer for Schneider. I coaching or cashews are physio that it could be something that we also login. Our app to say well it's done. It's over. Yeah, that's it more into our wealth of information around highlight cycle facts or some what's going on with us. Yeah. Anyway, what do you have you? Well, I would think that based on everything that never said I'd imagine during that phase when you know, your basal metabolic rate is increasing their there's increased demands on your body like just for heart rate variability. I'm going to I'll do my best to sort of explain it the simplest way possible with her if variability what you're looking for is if you take it as your bodies perfectly in tune, so Recovered, you're rested. You're sharp. You're focused. You're hydrated act. Like everything is close to perfect. You should have huge increases in I'm drawing the air above and down that no one can see the graph you should have huge increases in the variability of your heart rate throughout the day throughout the minute throughout throughout the hour. So the way I would look at it as if someone was to jump out and scare the crap out of me. My heart rate should boom Spike as high as it can as quick as possible then if I was to engage in a deep breathing exercise like 7-Eleven breathing or box breathing. I should be able to bring that back down really quickly. To a much Lower State than it was naturally. So I should get these huge graphs because I'm very responsive to different stimuli throughout the day now if I'm perpetually stressed and I'm run down. I'm not I'm not hydrating attrition is poor my sleep quality for my heart rate variability would be very low because my response to different stimuli won't be as high throughout the day. So some jump scares me. I'm already at a fairly high heart rate level. It's not going to jump that high my adaptation to things like deep breathing or to try and recover. I'm so kind of perpetually stress to that level. No matter how much I engage deep breathing meditation. My heart rate won't drop as quickly. So like that's sort of says that a good good good. Well someone else something. Okay. That's all I got. That's that's what Harvey's like all use the whoop band for a couple of things. I've used like game Samsung bands before I've used with the sleep tracker on my iPhone of used all those things and I'm not saying even though I want the money from Loop. I'm not saying that you've got you've got to use something like this. It's just about how you use it. So the reason I like it is there's not a watch on us. It's just it's I don't To look at it doesn't strike me. But what it tells me is am I am I getting enough sleep so like and it doesn't just go on the calendar and I set for the sleep it takes account information or my training and everything over and my heart really really over last week and then it recommends how much sleep I should get on a given day for what I have to do tomorrow. So I look at the heart rate variability because I want to perform at work. I want to be Sheriff. I want to be mentally sharp if I Tre and I want to get the best out of station possible from it if I want to relax. I want to relax. I want to enjoy All that time, whereas if my heart were very very low it correlates to how I actually feel and we're very motivated and we're very excited to do things. Not really. So I've got that little metric next to the toast. Your heart rate variability is very low. I'm like, okay that makes sense. Okay. I need to really work on improve my sleep quality and looking at my recovery other things so I can enjoy my life and that's the way I look at is how can I go into work, you know, bring good energy bring a good attitude for be sharp and get what I need to get done done because sometimes you have to fake it like some days you have to come in and hey, Hey, if I it's so good to see you. I'm you know, that that's just yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is no but like but now genuinely over the last kind of couple of months of using this and really looking at okay, I feel like shit today, right? I can really tell what my heart rate variability is going to be and it lets me know as well. Okay. I'm really peaking at the minute. I can either go to the gym and smush really recession or this might be very good time to have a conversation with someone. This might be very good time to to go golfing or do something that I enjoy because I feel really good. So that's kind of slightly off tangent with heart rate variability. Lee but I think you taking a picture me for from my heart rate variability, so I think that I think that that's why for the person that asked that question during that that stage I think it was week the week before 240p reduce question like your there's increased stress on your body, you know, you're getting ready for a cyclical event that's going to take that's going to it's going to create issues that are bleeding. There's no lack of iron there's all these things are going to happen. So yeah, it makes sense that your heart rate variability is going to be the crease now this click disclaimer not research-based, but But that would be my take on us. Yeah, you like it using your whoop as a male and if at all all that say about us all that you're thinking all those things you're conscious of now you sleep your food your coverage getting getting stress if it's good training stress, but whatever's work stress getting excited about something chilling out. I'm getting a breathing done add into that hormones constantly fluctuating the how much better are we if we know and understand what those hormones are likely to be doing on any given day and week and what that reasonably means for us. And we can say okay thought that makes sense that I feel like I want to cry at that. That's okay feels shit that I want to cry but that like that makes sense. Yeah, I'm just the finally on is it don't let these things on you and I'm going to say that even about the app because like a lot of Roads talked about before on the podcast this worried well concept which is people are looking at their watches now, I'm going oh my God, I was supposed to get eight hours sleep last night. I only got four and then they become more stressed and it creates a more negative cycle. Like it. Don't let it only it just use it as a data point. Point it's an information point that might be you know, like I don't talk about appearance a lot. So if you look in the mirror if your eyes are bloodshot red and you've got bags in your eyes in your eyes or hanging over your head subscribe, that's not normal. You know, that's that's not the way you should look like. I've got this teeny little patch of eczema that creeps up on my have to show the ladies on my wrist if that flares up II know that I might be as well rest as fast but these are all little weird data points that I might have it's very like isolated as but it costs it could actually be from the roof and the strategy could be causing it. But they're all just out of points. Like don't let them own you find a way of implementing them in and I think it's experience and try and things that's really important. So, I don't know. I just think from from everything you disgust me from all the information that I had before you came in. I think that the the Federal might happen. I think it's fantastic thing. I know she made here is using what her clients she started to look at planning for week and eight-week Cycles based on the menstrual cycle. She's gonna do a little bit of research on that in kind of real world application and come back and presented those as a Coaching staff and what we can look to put it in a PT's and like I just think that it's such a great conversation to have and you know for me for me as a male just it's going to increase my ability to coach female so much better and like I just look at athletes as male female doesn't matter but I do it does matter I need to have different information on both of them and see how things apply and I just think what you guys are doing is incredible and I couldn't implore with enough to go download the app. What's what's best place to get free to download are both on the App Store and on Google Play if it's free on Get it. Just play around itself and make pretend period yeah, listen to you. Thank you so much for coming in big effort corner from Galway and best of luck in everything. I don't know what stages of corgis is not write down. I'd imagine it's don't come into winter. Thanks so much. Amy for best of luck in Turkey if you get there over the next few weeks. Yeah. Thanks again Eve tears thinking. Thank you. Nice.

Discussing the Menstrual cycle openly with clients and highlighting the impact that it can have on your performance is something that we have wanted to do on the For Fit Sake Podcast for quite some time. On this week's episode Rory and Aoife are joined by Down Camogie star and Orreco employee Niamh Mallon. Niamh joined the guys to discuss both the positive and... (yes you read that correctly - positive) and negative affects that a period can have on a female athletes performance. Niamh breaks the menstrual cycle into 4 stages and highlights the physiological areas that elicit certain perfromance traits during each phase. The research is very interesting. Niamh discusses the FitrWoman app. FitrWoman helps you track your menstrual cycle and provides personalized training and nutritional suggestions tailored to the changing hormone levels throughout your cycle. ‍ "No matter what your sport and no matter what your goal, FitrWoman takes the guesswork out of training." The software and it's coaching version of the platform raised some questions surrounding ethical implications of seeking superior sports perfromance in female squads. Niamh and Aoife field questions that came in from the masses through our social media channels and there is a little segway into  heart rate variability, an area that is gaining increasing interest,  near the end of the episode. Enjoy!

There are a few major reasons for why people procrastinate on the things that are really really important to them see a lot of the time the reason you're not doing what you're supposed to do has less to do with it being difficult or challenging or too much overwhelming for you and usually has something more to do with that you feel bad about yourself your self-esteem might be low. Maybe you've been procrastinating for a while. So you're feeling even worse about doing it. Maybe you don't feel like you're worthy. Maybe you don't feel like you're worthy of the good result that you'll get if you do accomplish it and this is the type of stuff that most people that talk about procrastination and how to solve it never touch on see when I was taught that procrastination can be solved the way that it was approached was more like get on with it just do it, you know hustle. It's kind of like this rora motivation type stuff get to work and that can be helpful, of course, but A lot of people myself included when I was starting out on my journey trying to build a brand trying to do what I was passionate about. The reason I procrastinated was because I didn't feel worthy. I didn't feel good enough. I didn't feel like I really deserved what I wanted. Anyway, I felt like, you know, if I made the video who would even watch or if I had a client what could I even helped them with and then over time? I became incredibly self-confidence and I totally believe that myself of course and I built a six-figure business and Beyond just doing what I love. But the reason why I struggled for so long again came down to that Lack of self belief that feeling like, you know, like I don't really deserve it anyway, so you don't act because you feel unworthy you feel like you just don't deserve it what I want you to know and understand is that it's more important for you to take the time to reaffirm to yourself. Hey, it's okay to not feel good enough. It's okay to not Like you can do everything or accomplish at all or that you deserve all this greatness. It's okay to actually doubt yourself. That doesn't mean that you can't move forward. You see because what you realize is the moment that you take action the moment that you do the things that you know, you're supposed to do you feel better you will feel more confidence and if you can really look at that and see it for what it is that gives you infinite power over the procrastination if you realize that the moment that you start doing the dishes you feel better. Or the moment that you start writing that essay you feel better or the moment that you start, you know, marketing your business you feel better already, then it's not that hard to move forward realize that that nasty feeling you have will go away the moment you take action the moment you start doing what you're supposed to do the moment. You just get into that flow. If you just cut out all the structions, you put everything away including this video right after it at least, you know, it clicks in. It's like you go into the zone and I You've been there before in the matter how old or where you are in life. You felt like you're focused. You're doing what you're supposed to do. You feel good about yourself at some point in your life. We will had that experience and that's exactly how you will feel. Once you get into the activity. It's the fake out that your mind plays on you that actually is the problem not the procrastinator or the lazy personality type that you have. That's not who you are if you choose to identify with that. Of course, you'll say no No, that is I'm just lazy I'm procrastinating but the truth of the matter is you can't be a procrastinator. You are a soul inhabiting a human body having this Human Experience. And if you're human bodies acting like a procrastinator that's like three layers deep worth of acting like something you're not see you're not this person. You're not this identity. Don't buy into that rip yourself out of that and realized look the reason why I feel Had is because I'm not doing it and because I'm not doing it and I feel bad. I'm not going to do it. But the moment that you move and you just take the action, even if it's small doesn't even have to be that thing that you're procrastinating on. It could be literally anything to get the momentum going. It could be again doing the dishes or you know, vacuuming are hoovering whatever you want to call it. It could be just doing a few push-ups anything to get the momentum going and then the next thing and the next thing in the next thing you start to feel better. You build momentum you get over it. It's not this hustle hustle. Push yourself. It's realize that when you move it feels good. When you act you are energized when you lay there and you're lethargic, you go deeper and deeper into the spiral you rationalize more and more and you just get more and more frustrated and flustered with yourself. So don't let this Loop continue cut it right at its core know that the moment that you make some type of move the moment that you take action the energy. Shifts your whole body feels different and the deeper you go the more into the flow. You get the better you feel the more progress you're making the more your identity changes and you start to realize hey, this was not hard. Why was I putting this off for so long? Why was I making it so difficult? It's not difficult. This is easy. Why was that making it into such a big deal? And then now you start to identify more as somebody who takes action, you know that it feels good. You do more you create a positive. Of spiral now, you don't procrastinate anymore. I used to put off recording a video. I never put it off. I love doing it now maybe used to put off cleaning your house. Now you love cleaning your house because it creates momentum and you feel good about it and moves your energy up. If you're on the low level of energy that actually will move you up. So taking some type of action instantly gets you out of that lethargic State. It's just understanding that being sort of Apathetic and not really wanting to move feeling lethargic. It comes from not taking action not moving and the moment that you create momentum easy you snap out of it because your energy moves up. So move your energy up take some action. Don't let the procrastination Loop continue. I hope that you enjoyed the video make sure that you subscribe and turn on your notification and also that you don't miss a single upload and if you'd like to experience a real breakthrough and some massive progress s in your life sign up for coaching. It's in the bottom left of your screen right now. If you click on that, you'll go to my website and you can book a free consultation to get us started.

I share with you how you can beat procrastinating in your life! S U B S C R I B E : https://www.youtube.com/user/RafaelEliassen?sub_confirmation=1 Coaching with Rafael: https://www.rafaeleliassen.com/coaching #BeatProcrastination #BeatingProcrastination #NoMoreProcrastinating #StopBeingLazy #NotLazy #StopProcrastinating #StoppingProcrastination #BeProductive #GetThingsDone #PersonalDevelopment #SelfImprovement #SelfHelp #Motivation  What will be your single best advice to remove procrastination from your life? We tend to force our way out of procrastination. We try to trick and push ourselves out of this feeling. Without ever questioning where this feeling is coming from. Where does procrastination come from? If you are procrastinating, it’s likely that this is what’s going on in the background. You don’t think you will do the task ‘right’. You don’t think your efforts will get you any results. You have didn’t follow through on something and now you are saying what’s the point of working on this. These background thoughts are the real culprit. Not you being a lazy person. Target them and solve your procrastination. 1. Mental Work What you have to realize is: It’s okay to feel like you can’t do it properly. It’s okay to feel like you won’t achieve anything. It’s okay to feel like you don’t deserve what you want. That’s what you have to tell yourself. And the moment you give these hidden emotions space to breathe, they will lose their grip over you. You won’t feel so tense and find it easier to take action 2. Positive Action After fixing the real cause, treat the symptoms. Take some positive action. It doesn’t even have to be the thing you are procrastinating on. Any action to get the momentum going. It could be washing the dishes or cleaning your room. Soon you will get your flow back and feel good about yourself. Fixing your mindset coupled with action is the only way to beat procrastination.

Welcome to haken in Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 113 is brought to you by kiwi one of our newest patreon patrons today Sergio and I are answering the most recent 100 day countdown to New Horizons questions Talking a bit about the pre-order bonuses and New Horizons merchandise and taking a A lot of mail from our post office so to begin. Hello Sergio. How you doing? Hello tree. I'm doing rather. Well, it's pretty awesome to be below the 70s numbers for the countdown. Honestly still hasn't hit me how close we are. I haven't let it hit me. I wanna realize it when it's like 20 or 15 days to go and it's gonna be crazy. How are you doing to the same? I feel like I'm really amazed that it's already under 70 when I'm just like, oh man. I don't know when it's gonna feel. Well, you know, I have like little kind of glimpses of it here and there and I'm just like, oh man, this is really happening. And then it's just a regular day for the rest of the time. But yeah, I'm really excited about it and something I forgot to say last week is hello everybody Welcome to the year of Animal Crossing because this is it like we're in 2020 now and this has been a long wait. I know I've talked about this a lot, but I feel like this wait. It started back in E3 2015. Yeah, and we got we got amiibo Festival which you know, it's something it might have been. I don't know it could have been better. But you know, we got what we got and now we're just about there. We're today is 68 days for everybody listening. It's 66 I believe right? Yes, cool. Well, yeah. So it's getting really close and I guess we'll just start off with answering the questions for the past seven days. So if you're unfamiliar with the show, we have a 100 day countdown going on and this started about I don't know I guess 34 days ago now. Yes for everybody listening, but we are going through Day 72 through 66. So these questions we asked daily on social media and our disk. Cord and everything but Sergio and I answer them for everybody here. So let's get started question for Day 72 was favorite furniture set. So surgery. I just read your answer. What is it? It is the same as your answer. It's modern would said yeah. Yeah, we both pick the modern would I mean we know that your place your mother era like, right which translated as would in Spanish for those who don't know. So naturally you like that good ol natural material, right? Yeah. Yeah, and you know, I also like that it kind of looks like chocolate. Yeah, it does kind of look like a nice little chocolate bar to yeah chocolates delicious. Yeah. I don't mind that. Yeah, I guess what I like about it. The modern would set is just like the different tone color tones of the would you know, and I really like the variety. You get when you customize it as well with Cyrus, you have kind of more of the plane. Look where it it's kind of more of the same color would you know and then you have one that keeps the wood colors like the different colors and it turns them into more like diamond angular shapes and all that's right. That's right. Yeah instead of like the stripes that we have in the modern would ya but ya know I love a lot of them and they All have like a different thing going on that I really like I think for a while actually probably to this day that upstairs in my new Leaf uses the modern would set but I think I have it all customized to kind of the basic look which that's probably confusing. So it's not like the standard look that it comes in but it's the more simplified single tone color for it right? Nice. Yeah, but I love that set. I think it's it was really refreshing to see like new furniture and Animal Crossing, you know, because I mean it's a game about furniture for at least the first three games and then it's all about the furniture you collect right? And it was I mean, they've added stuff here and there but New Leaf really gave us a huge update to what types of furniture we could find, you know, and I think that was one of the strengths of newly for sure. Because I see complaints about Pokemon. For example where everybody is let just like, you know, it's the same game every single time just with some new Pokemon kind of thing. And I mean some people if you really wanted to meet be mean you could say Animal Crossing's just the same game every time just with out new Pokemon because they didn't really add furniture sets. Yeah, but that's one thing that's got me really excited about New Horizons to That just like the new huge amounts of new furniture that we're going to be making it's exciting. Yeah. Yeah, definitely and as soon as I saw the modern wood sitting you lie, if I said yes, this is this is my main Furniture said that I'm going to be using and it is it is prominently displayed in my living room. Right as you go in I went without the customized look for it just the natural one and I just really think it goes really well with my data. In with my living room, it's perfect. Yeah. Yeah, and like I said that natural look to it. I love that look still and I had that for a long time before I decided to change it up at some point. But since I changed it up, I just don't play as much so I've never changed it back cool. So day 71 the question. This one is a really good one. And I mean, I'm surprised we said that much about the modern would set but we're going to have a lot to say about this one. I'm sure but day 71 the Question was what were your initial thoughts when you learned that you'd be starting New Horizons on a deserted island and Sergio. I'm really wondering what you kind of what you went through seeing that setting. Honestly, I was glad when it was all said and done. I was glad because I do like the beach so Beach setting and Island setting type of thing. It's really nice and I do like the change of theme, you know, the change of environment that were used to the Town for is the type of place. Now, we have an island if we want it to look like a regular 10, we can if we want it to look more like an island. It's already set. That way we can change it. So it was a little bit surprising. It was a little bit confusing and off-putting at first but overall after a little bit of time just getting used to it. I like to change I'm all for it. Yeah. Well, that's good because I know like going through that initial reaction to knew her. Horizons, you know, you're going to have different feelings about different things and I'll say for me at first I was just like yuck. I don't know about this island thing. But at the same time if there were Seasons I'd be good, you know, but essentially like I go back to this video a long time ago that are low made when he was I think it was his predictions for 2019 video where he was pretty he makes like very specific predictions about Year and what's going to happen but those videos are always really fun. So I watched it and all of the stuff he said for Animal Crossing at least the next game. I thought were not great. I didn't like it. But essentially he said, you know, it's going to be an island this time so he got that right, but he used the words like your Perpetual summer getaway kind of thing. I was just like no not in my Animal Crossing I don't want it to just be summer and I need the seasons like that's that to me is like half the fun to the game, you know, like being able to live the real time clock, you know, and then the seasons change as they change for you and yeah, I was not about that. So when I first saw the island pop up, I was just like, oh no, please no, please be winter and fall and something different, you know, and so Actually, they did show us a little scene from Fall a little scene from Winter and I was just like, okay, this is my Animal Crossing. This is this is the game. I'm ready to come back to because honestly, I don't know if I play it if it didn't have seasons. I mean I play it but I just it wouldn't be the same to me. It would still it would feel like the heart of it would be missing. You know? Yes Mmm Yeah. So for me at first I was just like, oh no the island, please. He's just don't be summer every single day for the rest of my life because I don't I don't want that. But yeah, those were my initial thoughts but now I guess just to follow that up. What are your thoughts now on the island? No, I'm definitely the old for it and I appreciate to change, you know, it's nice to change things. We have four games with a regular town. So now it's an island in like you said it's affected by whether all the seasons are here. So I think it's fine. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm excited about it because I think it's pulling off something very new and unique to animal crossing that I really appreciate and that's just like when we talked about this a lot before the game was out, but I said something along the lines of like I want to start in a place. That's a complete dump. You know, like I want it to be built up from nothing essentially and I think the island setting allows us to do that pretty Naturally and easily. So yeah, I'm all about that for sure. Nice. So Day 70 the question was design a new villager species. And this one I've fallen off of the drawings. It didn't take long because it's essentially just one time that I drew something so I didn't draw anything for this one, but I guess I did come up with an idea and it's not a very great idea, but it's something that I know a lot. People want but I want bats. I want fountain at Fox faced bats specifically because I think they're adorable. They're really cute and I guess it just a lot of people when they bring up this idea. They go toward having like nocturnal animals in that sort of thing. I'm gonna ignore that. I don't think they need to be nocturnal. I think they can just be out at whatever hour of the day. They want to be out like other villagers, you know, and the one thing that I would change about them though is instead of sitting on Things they hang upside down from trees. It's awesome. Because I mean obviously right. Yeah. Yeah. So what about your villager Sergio cool? Well, I have this idea. It's sort of like a subspecies. I wanted to add panda bears to the game. I know we have Chester he kind of looks like a panda but he's technically a cup bear cub. So I want to have an actual panda bear species. They can be different ones, you know bigger smaller ones. In at least one of each personality. So I just want a lot of actual panda bears. I think it's possible. There's a lot of variety they could do there. So I'm all for that. Yeah pandas are really cute. I had Chester in my town for long time on and eventually I let him move because he was in the exact spot. I wanted to put like a lighthouse or a windmill and I feel bad because I had didn't actually ever put a lighthouse or a windmill there. There's another item there right now, so So I think I need a fix that swap with them out and just make sure that Chester is you know, that's going to be placed there for Chester by is like to remember. Yeah, exactly. The Chester Monument Lighthouse is what it's going to be officially called. Yeah. So the question for day 69 was your favorite pocket Camp Fortune Cookie, and I'm really interested. And what you're going to say Sergio because you haven't been playing this game for a bit. That's right. And you know, honestly, it's a silly answer for me. I don't really like any of the cookie ties because they look they look artificial. They don't look like a cookie that I would want to eat. They look like they're painted on and I wouldn't want to eat paint. So I'm going with the Pom-Pom Perrine cookie. That's one of the Sanrio character collaborations. And if you look at it, it kind of looks like a cookie and half of it is dipped in chocolate. It looks really tasty I would eat. That one so that's the one I'm going with. Yeah, I guess I didn't think about that like it should be an edible cookie, right? Yeah because you know the character you watch them eat it. There's a whole thing. Yeah shows them doing that. So hopefully they're not just eating paint. Yeah. Yeah. My personal favorite is Apollo's Cinema cookie and it wasn't deaf. It definitely wasn't based on what it looks like because it looks like you're probably eating paint on this one, too. But it was based on the items that I got. It was essentially like this really big screen kind of TV / theater screen, you know? Yeah and it's a very it's something that I really really want to see and you Horizons but thus far there hasn't quite been evidence for it, but it is a very long piece. So it's like a one by four I believe and or maybe even longer than that like 1 by 5 or something, but it's a very long piece of furniture and you know, the one thing that has been kind of remaining true in previous Animal Crossing games is item sizes tend to range from 1 by 1 to 4 to 2 by 2, you know, so like the biggest items would be a two by two kind of square. But like I want to see a 3 by 3 lengths items era, you know, like something bigger something longer. So this screen does that but then also it All of these really cute like Theater seating and one of them has popcorn in it and it's really cool. All the other has like soda and I'm just I so I made my whole downstairs to my camper a home theater. So everybody who comes in can just watch a movie with me. It's pretty nice. Nice. Yeah. And so I mean like if I'm not doing any work for chewy plays or hakken or you know, just recording videos and stuff. Like usually I'm watching something. NG which cuz I love watching. Thanks. Yeah. So that's my favorite day 68. This is for us today Sergio new leafs fortune. Cookie. Nintendo items cutesy or tacky. What do you think? I think they're cute overall, but I agree with your comments if they are overused to anyone had them and personally I didn't want them in my home. I just store them in the museum because like we said there. They're everywhere. Everyone has them but in a way, I think a lot of people also have them in the museum. They don't really use them in their homes, I guess because when we play Animal Crossing we want our homes to look like the ones we have in real life or like a fantasy type of location, but not really a Nintendo type that's more for like other games. So it's nice to have them for the people that want them but overall for the most part. I think most people really don't want them or use them. Yeah, and I think For me, it's like you were saying I feel like they're cute and I definitely liked them but they just become overused a lot of people as at least if you played around like convention centers and got like tons of StreetPass every single place that you went into would typically have like Nintendo item room, and I was like, I just want to see something different. Yeah, but Yeah, II feel like for me my experience with it was that it was overused and I saw it too much. But now I don't know I guess we'll see how I feel about it in this next game because I don't know if I'm going to see them a lot or if they'll be like feel like more rare items, you know? Yeah, they could add that you could always add new ones. I think if they do and I think they will we're gonna see them and it's going to be like, okay cool, and that's probably going to be it. We probably not going to You use them again unless it's a really really cool one but I feel like it's better to just have one or two of them instead of a whole theme because Animal Crossing has so many unique themes to it that I think we are all mostly inclined to just go with that instead of the general Nintendo ones. Yeah. Yeah, there's going to be so much that you can do that. We're probably not going to see a lot of the same things going on in everybody's place this time around. Yes. Yeah. Alright, so day 67 concerning York. Characters face. Do you answer Rovers questions with a guide or do you leave your look to fate? So yeah Sergio. How do you handle it? I use the guide. I don't know if we could be for I definitely didn't I started a new Leaf but I am going to hit New Horizons. He would need to unless we are able to customize ourselves from the very beginning. I think that's going to be the case, but it's important to me to look the way. I look in real life because Because it's it that's how I approach Animal Crossing. You know, this is me. This is my life on on an island. So I want to look the way I look. Yeah, I definitely use the guy no, no shame here. Yeah. I also use the guide typically, I guess when I first go through it and stuff because I knew I was going to reset I just kind of did whatever and saw what my face would turn out like, you know, if I just answered the questions the way I would and then after that I decided Of whether or not whether or not to use the guide and I definitely went with the guide. All right. So the final question for today is from day 66 or today for everybody your go-to hairstyle. What are you thinking on this one Sergio? So related to the previous question. It's pretty much what I have in real life and most of the time it's just a bus card that shorter my hair is the better. It's just better for our weather here and it's a lot easier. For headphones listening. So yeah, the shorter the better. Yeah, I tend to do the one that's buzzed on the sides and long on the top. Yes. Nice. Yeah. All right. So let's go ahead and move on to this next segment of the show and we're going to talk about the New Horizons merchandise and pre-order bonuses that have come up so recently if you've been looking around Twitter or seeing some videos pop up on YouTube from some people covering this I haven't really Talked about it too much yet, because a lot of this news already comes out while I'm at work and then I see other people already cover it. So I'm just like oh, yeah, it's up there, but I figured we'd talk about it here. So thus far we're seeing a lot of pre-order bonuses for the UK Europe and even like Australia and New Zealand and it wasn't until recently that we started seeing some stuff that popped up in kind of Japan that's more like merch that you can buy and You don't really I guess need to pre-order the game. So this stuff though like it is coming from Japan. So there is probably some like importing that you'll have to do to get some of it but we'll go over it regardless. But yeah, let's I guess I'll take you through this pretty quickly. So those far for pre-order bonuses. We've seen kind of some cake a slider keychains and Isabella, there's an Isabel keychain and a thomna keychain and they also have enamel Is that I don't know if those were orderable in Japan or if you would need to I guess pre-order the game for any of them, but they are an option. The other thing that came in at a pre-order bonus for the UK / Europe. There was some sticker sheets that had like some stickers of cake a slider Tom Nook Timmy and Tommy Isabel some villagers and those are like animal villagers and some flowers. And a tree as well and they had a pre-order bonus with a notepad that looked really cute. Yes, and I think the sticker sheet and notepad came together in one set. I forget where it was and then they had some New Horizons tote bags and a cleaning cloth. So kind of like a lens cleaner and a thing. So yeah a lot of those if you're in Europe, I think those are kind of your options with pre-ordering. So I'm hoping if you like one of them you can get Of them and then Australia New Zealand had a pre-order bonus. That was just one of the random key chains. So it was either the cake a slider the Tom Nook and the Isabel. So I'm going to try to put like pictures of these on the podcast if you're watching on YouTube so you can take a look and see if you like any of them. Oh nice. Yeah, and then before I go to you Sergio, I guess I'll just cover some of the new merchandise because I think we'll have a little bit more to say about behave. Since you know, they're ones that we could possibly order ourselves, you know. Yeah. So this is just Merch this doesn't you don't have to pre-order the game to get it but you could probably find a place to order it from Japan. I don't never done that so I don't know exactly the process but I'm sure somebody out there will be able to fill us in on that. But we have one thing that's very exciting is the new pop tart pattern. And for those of you who don't know there was a what we've lovingly called the pop tart. Aaron was this 3DS that came out the special limited edition 3DS. That was Animal Crossing themed and it had little kind of polka dots of different of the different charms. I guess of the animal cussing world. So everybody calls it the Pop-Tart pattern because the color scheme looks like a strawberry Pop-Tart. But yeah, I guess Sergio you've seen the new kind of Pop Tart pattern we've got yes, definitely. What do you think of it? I like it a lot. You know, it's traditional Animal Crossing Pop Tart, but with a new look and we kind of needed that so I like it. Yeah, and that's my thing too. Like I was looking at it and I was just like this is updated like there's some new things here. I think this is a really cool update to what we've already had but also like keeps that classic look and I think this was kind of what I was looking for for sure. I wanted something that captured the pop tart from before but updated it, you know, yes. Yes. Oh this new Pop-Tart pattern is featured on a switch light. Couch it is also there's also a switch / switch light over the shoulder carrier bag. So there's one pouch that will fit the switch better. There's one pouch that will fit the switch light better. There's also this what I like to call the switch lunch box and this is a carrier carrying case for your entire switch and accessories. So it'll hold the doc. It'll hold all the cables some games and the switch itself. So that one's a pretty cool one. I like It I might actually look into getting that one. And then there's some really cool like switch light back covers. There's some more outside of this Pop-Tart pattern, but I'll get to that but the Pop-Tart pattern has a switch light back up back plate kind of thing, you know. Oh nice Mmm Yeah, and then there's a switch stand. I actually have like a little stand that's just like this one, but it just isn't regular old black but this one has the pop tart pattern, so it's obviously cuter. Um, and then there's also like this tote bag of a nice. It looks like pretty nice like a nice quality tote bag and be believed were these all Horry. Yeah, I believe so. Yes. Oh then I feel like they're gonna come to the west then. Yes, they 10th. We tend to get a lot of their stuff here. So look be on the lookout for those if you're really interested in them. But anyways, if for General Animal Crossing merch, they came out with a whole line of Which light back covers that are Animal Crossing themed and some switch light cases as well. So nice little pouches to put your cases. It seems like they're very switch light heavy with this kind of options that they put out, you know, hmm, and this could mean two things, but I'll get to that then the last thing that they had was some switch Joy con skins along with like a cover for the switch and this is the regular size switch if you have that So Sergio, I did want to talk about how a lot of these items are switch light focused, you know, and to me this means this could mean two things. One thing that it could mean is that the switch light is not getting a themed console. So they're putting out like all of these back plates to kind of cover that you know, so like if you don't if you're not gonna get an animal Passing switch light maybe they're giving you some back plates to use instead and kind of still have that theme with you, you know, yes, the other thing it could mean is that we are getting a switch light thing and they're just giving you all of the switch light accessories to go even more all out with it, you know. Hmm. So what are you thinking with that? It's interesting. I was talking to a friend. I was we were discussing that I don't know about. Japan or Europe, but I believe in North America. The regular switch is very hard to come by nowadays. So if you're trying to buy a switch most likely you're going to run into the light and I mean we were kind of discussing maybe Nintendo's doing this on purpose. Maybe the light is not selling as well as they want in the kind of holding back stock of the regular switch, you know, because they want the light to sell and I think if that's the case they're going to have a limited edition Animal Crossing switch light. So seeing the Don't know it's surprising honestly, but it's nice to have options. I specially really like the accessories with the new like minty looking green popped our pattern. I really like that and like you said since their by hurry, I think it's very safe to say that we're going to get them if people wanted to to get them now just be in be aware that it could take a little while because it's shipping from Japan. So usually takes honestly about a month to get things here, but you could order from Amazon. On or for from eBay there are several several sellers that would sell you things from Japan. So if you really want them in time, yeah, I would say start looking now because it could take awhile to get here. Yeah, and you know, we're almost halfway through January at this point. So it's getting close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if there's anything you really want you can go ahead and get it. I'm still waiting a little bit though because I need to know if there's going to be Switch console. I just I want to know yeah, so I'm just busy waiting for that. But hopefully it happens. It's the one thing I've been that's been stopping me essentially from pre-ordering this game already. I just don't know what to order. All right, because we don't know if there's going to be a bundle and if there is it could have the game where it couldn't be could be physical digital. We don't know. That's the thing. Yeah, we gotta we had to keep waiting. Yeah. So we're still waiting. But if you all like any of this stuff go ahead and pick it up. It's pretty cool. Cool. So we've gotten a lot of questions lately on our Discord. So I thought it would be a good time to do more of a Post Office episode. So I've collected a lot of these questions for Sergio night to answer and yeah, we'll probably be focusing on that for the rest of this episode, but there are a lot of really good questions and I'm really excited to go through some of them. So Where'd y'all go ahead and read the questions and then we can go through and answer them. So the first question is from thunder buddy, and they asked what would you do to make the town bulletin board more relevant. So Sergio, where do you thinking with this? I was thinking of an idea to make it more relevant and at least in the sense of you wanted to go look at it every day and I thought of implementing something like a raffle. There's something like that in the Pokemon cafes. There's Some special battles that you can do once per day in each location in there's also one that will you check the Rodham at the Pokémon Center you can get like a raffle depending on the Pokémon numbers that you have and it changes every day. So it kind of encourages you to keep going back every day and it would be nice to have something like that on the bulletin board, especially if you can get rewards that are exclusive to that. It could be like the bulletin board series of furniture or custom. I think itís or something that encourages you to at least look at it every day and you might win something. You might not it probably wouldn't require you to write something on it. But you at least have to check it every day. That would be a nice little something. Yeah, that would be really good. That's like, you know, it could easily be turned into a Nook miles kind of goal. Like checking that bulletin board. This this many days in a row or something. Yeah, so that that could keep you you reading. I like that. I like that. That idea a lot because if you played the first animal crossing game population growing then you know that like all of the houses were essentially, you know placed around the bulletin board. It was easy to walk right out of your house and then instantly go through and see what the news was, you know? Yes, and but the other thing that it did that was really special and I feel it just hasn't made a return which is unfortunate, but I don't know how it would work. Rick but the one thing that made that one special is the scavenger hunts that popped up randomly where a villager would post something and say hey I buried an item in acre a five or something. So if you go to acre a 5 you could find something special if you found it, you know, if you manage to find it and the reason that worked is because the acre system in Animal Crossing kind of moved with you. You could physically follow the Acres because of how the screen move to each spot, you know. Yes so that because that was probably taken out because there wasn't really a way to do that anymore. At least. I haven't seen it on the new map. So it doesn't seem like things were being labeled like a through F or whatever and then one through five or six and so I don't the system just wouldn't work the same but I think it would make the bulletin board a lot more relevant if You knew you could go up to it and see like oh this villager has hid something for all of us to kind of hunt for that would be really cool to find so I think like giving yourself more kind of rewards for doing that would make it just feel more worth reading at least. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like that. Yeah, so that's kind of my idea with that and I think it just be fun. I love finding the random items in Animal Crossing. I think that yeah. A lot of the fun in the game, you know. Yeah and both of these ideas would be even something else to do every day. And I think any little daily activity they can add to the game. It's like it's a huge win in my book. So for sure daily things, this is great. Yeah. So the next question was from Atari Jinx and they asked have you noticed the orange bug net looks like it has an astro theme to it. It's orange and metal. I think her clothes look a little like a stroke. You and that watering can chewy said looks like a Fisher-Price can that looked like the kids theme applied to the watering? Can this makes me think that we can customize the look of our tools and Sergio? This is a really interesting idea. I didn't notice it that way but like when they put it that way I'm like, oh that does kind of make sense. So I'm kind of wondering if it makes me wonder if we can customize more things according to like a different Furniture Series. So yeah. I was wondering what you thought about that. Yeah, I'm definitely with you. I hadn't noticed that too. It kind of feels like oh, you know, we're just going to be able to craft different versions of the item and different tiers of them and they just going to look a little bit different which would make sense. But if we are if they have that like a normal progression in the look of the different tiers for the tools, but if we're also able to customize them and apply them to like the toy set or the blue the green said the modern wood. Everything all my goodness, that would be amazing because we're gonna be able to customize every different tier of the tool to our style the way we want them to look. I feel like that's going to add a lot of personality in a lot of variety to our towns is every something else to make it. Look the way we want. That's that's that would be amazing. Yeah, it would be really cool. Yeah. I mean, I also think it's just interesting to think that it would be customizable for tools for sure just because Was yeah the tools have always looked the same they've always kind of been the same thing where it's regular tool silver and gold at least since they added the silver of I think in the first game only regular and gold existed. But yeah, I think it's a cool idea. I wonder if it'll play out like that, but that's a good catch for sure. So what were you going to say and you would also encourage us to you know, try different looks for the tools because once we get for example, the golden fishing rod, that's pretty much all we going to use But if we're able to customize the looks of it, we might want to change it. I don't know every week or so and just have a different look for different season or different event or something. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, I'd like that. So lampshade asked what improvements would you make to the fossil system digging identifying and donating it was I was thinking it would be neat to have a new special character visit once a week and archaeologists building museums and researching across the world. Old you can interact with him or her once and he either gives you more Bells than normal for specific fossils of the weeks enough to hold onto or special Fallout fossils or archaeology archaeologist themed furniture or he could act as some of fossil wonder trade of fossil wonder trade with random Islanders across the world and it says the fossil was donated by that person in your Museum or something. I haven't thought of so, yeah. II guess I remember seeing one thing that J VG s Jeff wanted to change and if you don't know him, he's one of the just like longest-running Animal Crossing bloggers out there. His towns have been existing for a very long time at this point. So he's very cool. But he in one of his recent videos said he would really like to see us be able to identify our own fossils. So that would be interesting but me personally I'd Really focus on the finding them aspect, like maybe we can find fossils underwater or something and you can add a see fossil exhibit. For example all okay. Yeah. So that was my idea. What do you think of that nice know? I like all of lamps ideas and I like your ideas. Well everything they can do to improve the fossil system would be great. My idea is you know, eventually we find all the fossils and that's kind of it. So we just sell them or give them away to friends and Can still do that but I have an idea to add more value to this and I was thinking maybe if you keep getting the same fossil several times eventually you get the perfect perfect version of that fossil. I'm thinking I'm just throwing a number out there. Maybe after you get the same fossil 50 times you get that perfect version of it, you know that's gonna take a while but it's it's something we would look forward to doing, you know, we have already our collection, but now we're tracking which ones are close to being perfect. That'll be a nice little incentive. I think yeah, that would be kind of bring some different value to the Future fossils that you find rightly blathers could say oh this one's even better than the first one we found. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that too. So Sasha 2020 asked how would you improve the museum bringing the observatory back is something that people really want but what else how would you improve the Bug fish? Fossil art rooms? I adore the museum and that's why I think it would be fun to see. Being improved. So what are you thinking for this one Sergio? Okay for this one. I mean it's gonna take a lot of work for the developer team in the translations and also for bladders, but I think it would be up to it because it would promote the museum. So I have two ideas what the first one is that bladders would give you a random description for a bug or a fish or a sea creature. They're going to be random once every day and it's going to be like little actual fun facts about the the items in the museum in they're going to be factual. So they're going to be true in they're going to be random. So it's going to encourage you to go to the museum at least once a day. So you get a couple of cool facts about what's in there the second one. It's a little more involved than that. It would actually be bladders doing like a little skit or like a presentation for the fish or the fossil. He would actually wear lined up bug or a fish costume just to make it like more exciting, you know, and in sizing for people to visit the museum, so maybe this could work in tandem he Have the little scaling he could give you the facts about the fish the bug dark bees are everything that's in the museum. So it would be random it would be again something else to basic daily another reason to go to the museum. Yeah, and you know the kind of gives me a thought to like what if you could hire him as like a tour guide and maybe he'll tell you some different stuff about everything as you pass by and maybe who won't show everything in a single day. Like he'll focus on certain things each day. Yeah and kind of give you some new information. Nation as you go, yeah, exactly good. We know he's an expert at all this stuff for sure. Yeah, of course, especially the bugs. Yeah. Yeah. I like that for me. I said I'd give us some different options to upgrade the museum and change the layout of how you display your findings. I I think we attended just have all of the same Museum, you know. Yeah, and so like once you've seen one of them you've kind of seen all of them. So there's really no not a huge reason to go into a frenzy Museum unless you're just interested in what they've caught or what they're missing, you know, yes, but outside of that I'd also like it to keep records on like sizes because like a new Leaf all yeah, it would show what size something you caught was but it just wouldn't you couldn't ever find that information again? And so I think it'd be really fun to keep trying to beat the record in the museum and you know donate the biggest sea. Bass that was ever caught, you know, yeah, so I don't know. I think that would be fun and it also gets you back into donating to the museum a lot longer than just like you donated at once you're done for now, you know forever essentially. Cool ice. Hmm. So the next question was from Clare and they asked what if Isabel is a real estate agent in the picture. It looks like she's showing fuchsia around the town. Maybe she promotes the island as and tries to get people to come to the island. And yeah, what are you thinking for Isabel Sergio? Yeah. Actually that's a really good idea hadn't really thought about it in it makes sense. It would be nice. It seems like she might be trying to get more people to the island. And it I feel like that's something Isabelle would do. Only concern for people that really like Isabel and they would probably want them in they would probably want her in their Island, you know, mostly daily on a daily basis, but I feel like if she's working to get people in the island. She's probably not going to be around that much. She might only base hit like once a week or so that might make her a little more meaningful like a special character, you know, kind of like AK, we only seem to see him once a week. So it's about could be like that now and I guess if she's okay with it, you know, we should be okay with it. Oh, yeah, I still want to see her more though. Yeah for me. I said it does it look like she's wearing you know, the classic uniform now at this point there their island T-shirt If you can say so it does look like maybe she was hired by Tom Nook and I've no idea what she's going to be doing for him. But I imagine she is very helpful with getting new residents situated. So, yeah, she I mean she handled us moving into our new Leaf where That very well, so I'm sure she'll be able to handle that everybody going into their Island. Yeah, definitely soku asked what do you think about the new young beaver special character? Do you think chip has been replaced or does fishing have a new mechanic that needs a new special character? And I think it's definitely that last one I think fishing has a new mechanic that needs a new special character. We do see him fishing of course, so that's kind of where that That idea comes from but they added the new bait feature, you know and perhaps it plays a big role in fishing that it requires a bait shop. So yes, that's kind of my thinking with this character, but I don't think he's a replacement for chip. No, definitely I agree. I he doesn't need a replacement. I really hope he's not getting replaced. I agree with you that a bait shop would be very nice for cheap Junior. I guess we could call him for now, and I'm thinking if we I've chipped jr. In we already had Timmy and Tommy it will be nice to finally start seeing some of the younger versions of the special characters. They could either help in the shops, or they could have their own unique shops or like we kind of we're hoping the other episode maybe they could just be regular villagers in they're just going to be around your Island and they're just act like normal regular villagers introducing those special species as regular builders. That would also be very nice. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I'm super down to see like more siblings and children and other people I guess animals related to the characters. We already know. Yeah. Yeah. So the next question is from honey oceans and they asked what if part of our Island expansion is actually being able to reach smaller and nearby Islands to decorate on one hand. It would be cute to have different mini islands with their own themes. But on the other I'm not sure I'd prefer it over what we Originally thought Island expansion might be what are your thoughts? And which do you prefer? What are you thinking Sergio? Hmm. That's very interesting. I do hope there's a way to expand the island regardless of how it is. I just really want to be able to expand it. If there is a multiple Island system my first and biggest concern is how easy and quick it would be to go from one little island or from your main island. I guess to the the smaller ones around it. I hope it's quick if it's a Little you know, if you have to go to the place where dodo Airlines is and you have to wait a little bit between travel that might make it not too enticing to do, you know, it sounds like a little a little bit bothersome, but if it's nice and easy if it's maybe just Bridges all over the place, but they look nice. They look like an actual natural way to expand the island. I'm all for it. The more room. There is the more special locations. There can be a mold for a bigger island. Yeah. I think I would. For expanding but I'm kind of opening up to the idea of different Islands being around. Yeah, I just feel like it makes it a little bit easier. I guess to handle it makes it a little bit easier to grasp because some people might be like, it seems a little weird to expand your Island, you know? No, yes, so and we're already kind of seeing like another Island pop up where Harvey is like off in the distance. So yeah, it's starting to look. Look more and more like islands are going to do some different. They're going to be different islands that do different things, you know, yes, but at the same time I'm like when has Tom Nook ever turned down and making us pay for something else, you know? Yes, like I feel like once we paid off that first loan he's going to be like, yeah, so you can pay off another make your house and maybe pay off this big loan for a big island, you know, the second floor to your Island. Yeah. I just feel like that is in Tom. Xcode at this point so I I feel like I have to happen nice. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, so she's away said do you believe that Isabel foreshadowed New Horizons when she said that she wanted to go to the beach. However, since she was the hardest worker and you leave she asked for seashells since she could not go and for me I said, I think the developers are just constantly coming up with ideas for Animal Crossing. There are things that they just Can't fit into the game if they want it to eventually be done so we can play it, you know. Yeah, so I think you can see a lot of the ideas show up from spin-offs and like they're making their way into New Horizons some things from each spin-off game I think is making an appearance. So I wouldn't be surprised if there were plenty of ideas that were sparked during New Leaf, you know. Mmm. Yeah that makes sense. It's a it's an interesting idea. I think if that's the case. Definitely gonna say something about that so that we can all make the connection, you know, officially in a way so if that's the case and I think it would be a very nice a nice approach to it. I feel like if they acknowledge it and she something she said something about it. Yeah, that's a very good catch. Yeah, it could have happened. So gamma game said do you have any thoughts or once for early game progression like villager Milestones to unlock features like the town Tree Town Hall shops Etc or some set playtime unlock system. So what are you thinking for this Sergio? I'm thinking for the most part. They're going to stick to the traditional way of unlocking things which is by the number of days that you play the game and that's nice because you know, everyone is going to be playing pretty much at the same Pace in the beginning. We can only play one day every day, right but I feel like if they can add a little more unlockable items or things depending on how Many hours you're playing that would be a nice little extra. You know it since this would be for people that have a lot of free time in the beginning. It's probably not going to be the biggest thing the biggest craziest feature to unlock but it would be a nice little extra something else to keep track of we have however many days were playing but also the hours could play into that. So if we two ways to unlock things, I think that would be nice. Yeah. Yeah, the traditional a definitely seems like you know, that's the normal thing to do. Do with animal gassing and I kind of went that way to where I guess I just always treat the new shops and like shop expansions is kind of that early game progression. Yes. I think it's like more things pop up. You kind of see like how special the game becomes after putting some time into it, you know. Yeah, so and it'll feel especially more. So with just that we start with nothing we essentially are going to have the one shot that Tom Nook runs and two villagers and yourself. And then it's going to grow from them, you know, so I think it'll be cool to see just like how much they can grow it from there. And I think it'll be a lot for sure. Oh, yeah. So something said and that's your name. It's something that what's the verdict on the money rock? Is it cheating by giving basically free money or is it a good part of early game start up and you know I said I didn't even think of it in terms of cheating or you know, just Making it easier for us to get money at the beginning of the game. But personally I just love it because it's a quirky part of Animal Crossing and like it's quirky and magical and that's kind of the fun things about Animal Crossing is just like yeah, you know, you're already moving into a town where you're the only human and everybody else is animals and just add the fact that you can grow money trees and hit rocks and money falls out of them and you know even money falls out of trees if you shake them. So yes, I just love that. Is these little weird places that Bells come from and it's it I think that's magical so I don't think it's cheating. I don't think I don't even consider it like a fun startup thing. I just think it's fun. Yeah. Yeah for sure. I don't think he's cheating either and you know, it's cool because it's optional and it's another one of those daily things to do. I also like that sometimes, you know, depending on your luck or the items like the lucky items if you have any you might get more rewards you Just get regular belt. So you might get a special gemstones which eventually give you more. So that's nice. One thing I would change is that maybe it would be better. If you don't have to like do the the Diggy spots around you sort of like to set of like a barrier so you can hit the money Rock perfectly without the bounce-back effect. So if they could do it so that you could still hit it all the times in a day. But without setting up that very I feel like they'll be like a more natural. To it. Yeah. Yeah, you're right and I totally forgot that was a thing too, but I did kind of naturally every single time where I just dig holes behind me. So I don't have to you know, I don't get pushed back with each hit. Yeah. So yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, I like that. But I wonder if we'll get an update to it. I will see because right now we know that we're going to be hitting essentially materials out of rocks this time around. So yeah. Who knows if it's going to make a comeback, but I hope it does. Yeah. Yeah, so we got a question here from Islander Tab and she said chewy, what do you think about the paid DLC for Pokemon? And do you think there will be something similar with New Horizons and I realized she said Jimmy, but we can both answer it because we're both here for me. I think the paid DLC is in terms of Pokemon good and bad and here's kind of my In behind that one, I think it's good because I know that there are a lot of people out there who just kind of by a new generation of Pokemon, you know, like that's all they get they don't buy the next game in the series like when you have your red and blue there's always that yellow that follows, you know, yes, so I like that instead of buying a full new game to get like all of these little updates and stuff. You can just add to Or existing game right but there's also that small amount of people that actually doesn't buy the the game when it first comes out and they only by the next little updated version, you know, Platinum is one that comes to mind or Emerald is one that I actually did like I didn't play Oh Ruby or Sapphire. I just bought Emerald because I was already like late into getting Ruby or Sapphire like my brother got a sapphire and I was like Man Pokemon I miss this and so I went out and got Emerald version, you know, right nice. And so there is there's that's not going to exist essentially. Like if people want that version of it like they're going to have to buy that original one plus the DLC to get all of that which would still come out to more than they would have if they had just gotten that third version, you know, it's right. So that's what I think about it in terms of Pokemon. But I think the vast majority falls into the they've bought that first game already and appreciate that. The second version is a lot cheaper, you know, that's true. But do I think there will be something similar and you Horizons kind of I think like Nintendo has been dipping their toes into DLC. They are putting it out for a lot of different games. Now, at least I paid DLC they always kind of did free things. For but I think now they have like a plan to do substantial DLC packages. We've seen it with Zelda Splatoon just like tons of games. We didn't know would that would happen to but yes now that it has and you know, we've kind of seen a big DLC update to Animal Crossing before it was free then I don't think it'll be free in the future. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you thinking Sergio? I'm completely with you, especially on the Pokemon side. It's very surprising to me that they are not said so quickly. It kind of points to me that they were working on it before the game was finishing. That's a little disappointing. But personally I can never say no to Pokemon. So I already pre-ordered both of them. So well good. Yeah, but definitely I think Animal Crossing is gonna get something like that. I mean if you look at games even something like fire emblem has the LCN the way even Luigi's Mansion 3 and that that's still really surprises me. That again like that is going to have DLC. So I think Animal Crossing definitely is going to follow suit and I feel like like those other examples that I mentioned pretty much anything except Pokemon. You can tell they are working on it either as soon as the game is finished or even afterward and I think that's going to be the same with Animal Crossing so it might take a little while before we see whether working on but when we see it, it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna be DLC that makes sense and it's gonna expand our playtime in our the value of our Island. I'm looking forward to that for sure. Yeah, and I just totally forgot about that Luigi's Mansion DLC. Yeah. I know. It's all like kind of what's the word for it? It is multi player DLC, which is also very strange because they've guess for the most part just done story DLC thus far that's right. Like that was the case with Splatoon and Zelda, but I guess they're just trying out different things now. Yeah. Yeah. So the next question is from Flair and they asked how do you plan to? Decorate your house and you Horizons and when I saw this question, I thought it was pretty funny because like I haven't thought about decorating my house and your eyes and I've strictly kind of been thinking about decorating my Island, you know, because that's like the big new thing that we're going to be able to do so that has been where my focus has been but that said I do really hope they add some things from happy home designer. I want the rugs I want the feeling is Items, I want I'm glad that we already have the half grid placement. So that's a huge thing. But I think for the most part with my homes and Animal Crossing I go for more of a cozy look for sure. But what are you thinking Sergio? Nice? Yeah. I'm also thinking the same type of rooms that I usually like to have. You know, I like that main room to be like a cozy inviting living room and then I have a bathroom a kitchen in my own bedroom this time around I'm probably gonna switch them. Like instead of the bathroom be on the left. Maybe I'll have it on the right this time around. I also have like a game room or in an entertainment room in the basement and then a storage Cellar so I'm probably going to stick with the same rooms, but I'm going to change the location in definitely going to change the theme the items that the style that I go for each one. Yeah, and that's that's my plan right now. That's fine. I'm glad you have like plans for different types of rooms to make it like a home, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I hadn't even thought that far so your Way ahead of me. I'm just like I hope we can do these things before I decided right? Yeah. All right, so we have one more question and it's another one from island or Tab and she asked chewy and Sergio. There's been some discussion about this on Discord, but I'd love to know what you guys think now that we are seeing bundles for sale for the switch / switch light not being a special edition. Does it change predictions on there being special edition consoles for me? I said I think there's still time to hear about a special edition console. I mean, they just have to make animal crossing Joy con. They have to please what do you think Sergio then they'll be great for sure. I'm with you. I think there's still time I think if there's going to be any Limited Edition full system is probably gonna be the light in honestly. I kind of warming up to the idea of - which library for I mean for sure. I'm going to wait until March. Until the very last second. I guess it would be the day before or the day of the release when they couldn't answer. I mean they could even announcer for like the holidays, you know, but I guess I'll be waiting longer than that then yeah, that's true. There's a long wait, but I'm glad I mean like it's if they put out an animal crossing switch light. I think that's honestly going to be the what gets you Sergio? Yeah. Yeah, cool. So thank you everybody for sending us some listener males. Into our post office on Discord if you are interested in sending us some mail to feel free to leave a comment on YouTube tweeted us and on Twitter and pretty much anywhere you can find a send us something and I'll if I remember because sometimes I forget about these things I'm like, oh man and don't be afraid to just give me a little nudge because I need a lot of those with all the stuff. I'm always thinking about but yeah, send us anything wherever you want and will fit them into the show next time. We do another one of these post office. Roads nice, but let's go ahead and close out the show with our classic Hankins Islander corner, for those of you who don't know every single week on patreon. We asked our patrons a question and read their answers out loud here. This week's question was what were your initial thoughts when you learned that you'd be starting New Horizons on a deserted island. So Sergio and I have already answered this but we're going to go ahead and read these answers back and forth Sergio. Do you want to start? Yes, definitely the Sensor is by Miranda and they say I was so excited. I love camping in real life and I'm excited to do that in New Horizons. I love that starting from scratch would be able to extend how long it will take until I feel like I'm done with the game Ah, that's a very good point. We're starting with so little just two villagers. That's it. Only one shop. Like I said, so for sure this is going to add value. Yeah. Definitely there's just so much that we can do from right the it from the get-go, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So t with the T said or t with t said I was glad to see a refreshing take on the game. I believe the Animal Crossing team is overall very good at continuously improving each installment. I'm always happy to see them try new things. Yeah, and I agree with this to like at this point. We've played how many different Animal Crossing games. I think it's really nice to see one that's as different as this, you know, yes, definitely. Yeah nice, so, Library says I was just excited about any news by the time I could start to judge the new features more fairly and in-depth the details from the tree house where available in everything sounded great. That's true. We got we got those three has details very soon after the first reveal. That was nice because I remember a lot of us were kind of concerned but then the tree has just like put us at ease. Definitely. It was great to see. Yeah. I do think they said like a lot of what we needed to know to make us Us feel at ease for sure. So I'm glad they had the tree house after and it seemed like they planned it out very well. They know. Yeah, I think they had an idea of how we would react to some stuff and they handled it very well. Yeah. Alright. So the next answer is from Taos Ski and they said I was just worried that we weren't going to have different seasons at first it looked like it only featured summer, but I'm glad they cleared that up pretty quickly or else I would be losing my mind waiting to see if we could Snowman no, that is exactly where I was. I was just like not about a seasonless animal crossing that that's the one change that never needs to happen. So I'm really glad that we're going to have seasons. Yes. Definitely. We need them. It just goes hand-in-hand with the real-time aspect of it. Yeah, we definitely need them. So that's good. Yeah, so I got this is when I saw the initial trailer, I was kind of confused and happy. I'm not sure if it was even a Mainline game. Oh, that's a good point. But then the Treehouse came along and I saw where they were going with New Horizons. I'm so excited to build something from the ground up in to see how creative people can be by making their Islands their own. That was a very good point because there's like a in that time lapse version of the first trailer a friend and I was thinking wow this kind of looks like a mobile game. This doesn't really look like a fool Main Line AC game, but eventually I in the tree As you can definitely tell it is yeah, definitely and it's good. It looks great much more than just a mobile game. Yeah cool. So the next answer is from but elephant. She said I honestly don't think I had an impression directly about it being an island setting I was too I was too surprised and excited by even seeing the news that my brain was just like yes. Yes. Yes after the shock wore off. I still was just excited about how pretty the game looked. And the fact that we can place Furniture outside personally, I'm freezing all the time in western Canada. And I don't mind the fact that I can be on an island when I'm spending my life on Animal Crossing New Horizons. I'm just happy we have all the Cozy Seasons. Yeah. So for some people living in the cold, it's probably pretty great to know that your you've got an Island Getaway during that time. Yeah. Yeah, definitely cool. Say would you or says I was really hoping for an expanded large Forest town with access to new something like Bloom areas. The island was the getaway area that we could decorate in go to but not we we lived so it's rare to see that as the main place. We live also. That means not train station, but I don't know despite being an island as long as it is bigger overall. I doubt it would feel that different from normal still the beach rivers and trees, but what's the island we get to go in This one the mainland that's true. And I guess that goes in part with the speculation. We were talking about earlier. There's got to be different like sub Islands. They could even have a slightly different theme to them a different feel because definitely the island for like a different place from our regular Council. I really hope there's something like that here as well. Yeah, that's true. It's just gonna I remember what Nina was kind of saying about her changing heard whole Direction with her town because it didn't seem If it like the Island theme, you know, yeah, so yeah, some people might have changed their mind based on that too. Cool. So the next answer is from Spirit of ace and I think this is the last answer that we've got but they said I was really confused at first because for the first half of the reveal trailer, they actually made it look like it was something completely different to what we were used to and then when the screen goes black shortly before the music kicks in again and reveals the tent that's when I got really excited because that's when I was for sure. I was sure it was a proper Animal Crossing game and also the part where you see the villagers talking in the snow. Yeah. I mean this game is really doing winter very well. It's like I think winter for a lot of people has been the least favorite historically but now it seems like it just looks too good. Yes. Yeah. This is the best-looking winter we've gotten in awhile. So it's pretty exciting to see yeah, I agree it. It makes it inviting it makes it nice and cold but exciting. Yeah, who would have thought that winter would look the best on and I yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's pretty funny. All right, everybody will thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of hakken and Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. 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Welcome to the Chinese medicine. With your host Marie Hawkinson Chinese medicine practitioner. Hi, welcome to the Chinese medicine podcast. I'm very Hopkinson. I'm a Chinese medicine practitioner. And today we're going to be talking about headaches and the pain that had to alleviate the pain that you might get from a headache. So you've probably done this before when you've gotten the headache maybe press your temples with one like that. So people sort of line one like going like that on the desk because they're they're in pain and our Natural Instinct. Sometimes is to actually press where the pain is. Press those pressure points. So you can see that I'm here in lovely. Beautiful Melbourne yarra river is behind me. It's beautiful city. It's a bit cold outside. So I'm glad to be nice and cozy warm inside but let's get on with it today. So pain in our head or headache pain, how can we alleviate that pain with acupressure now? What's acupressure? It's pressing the points pressing the acupuncture points. So this is the main point you might have seen being used before. This is called her gu large intestine 4 So her ghost was the pinion the Chinese name of the point and that point is on along the second metacarpal, which is your second finger. And if you feel that you've got a little bone here and just kind of press in that sort of squishy space you or you can use the thumb and your first finger like that and pressing in like that. So you using the pressure of your finger under your hands to sort of push up a little bit and the finger the thumb then to press down into the point now the trick with This point a lot of people say it's between the two fingers. It's more on it's the channel is on the large intestine Channel, which is on along the finger side not on the thumb side. So you need to have it needs to be kind of more here not here not in the web of the finger now with all acupressure. What you should feel is like a tingly a heavy and a key sort of Sensation from pressing the points. Now if you've ever had acupuncture, which is like needling the points it the acupressure should replicate that same kind of feeling so you should have a similar feeling to acupuncture with acupressure. Now for headaches were pain in the head. Sometimes you can just naturally find you that you feel relief by just pressing the pressure points. You might have had like an Indian head massage or some some different kinds of massages where they press on your head scalp acupuncture is like to acupuncture points on the scalp. That's also utilizing the many many many pressure points that are on your head now. You can't press the points too hard in terms of like what would what would be the worst thing that would happen? When you press the points too hard. Well, you get a bruise on that area. And before you got the bruise, it will probably feel uncomfortable. So you usually stop the person would often stop pressing if you get a bruise in that area, then once the bruise goes away, there's usually nothing else that's damaged there unless you I mean, this is just when you simply pressing the points with your own pressure, then that's you know, that's it's nothing. You can kind of help you can't do too much damage to yourself. So you can press away. If you press the wrong spot you not going to you know, put your body out of balance. Let's say by just pressing the wrong point when you're trying to trying to do this. So it's worthwhile just to give it a go give it a try and see if you can alleviate the pain of your headache before you need to go and take painkillers. So acupressure works the best it's the most effective for when you like the suit of the headache starts to start the acupressure. Rather than waiting until it's like a throbbing intense headache or you know, it's so it's so bad. You may need more than just acupressure to stop it if it's been going on for a long long time and it with everything with everything on my channel. I always tell people like don't use YouTube as a replacement for medicine. So if you have a headache there can be lots of reasons why you have headaches headaches can come because you're dehydrated they can come because of caffeine withdrawal you can cut this lots of reasons and if you want to know the reasons in Chinese medicine, I've got another Video on that so you can also put the link to that below you can check that out. But also headaches can be signs of serious health problems in our body like so serious problems. You could have a brain aneurysm you could have lots of different problems in your body and you won't know that the diagnosis unless you go towards a medical practitioner like so an actual GP your medical doctor and when you go to a Chinese medicine doctor and they may refer you to a western medicine doctor. That's the reason why because they don't know they don't have the ability to Give you an MRI scan or whatever is needed to make the diagnosis. So if you're not sure go and see practitioner control why you've got the headache or if your headache persists and you're not and it's not being alleviated, even with with your standards kind of painkillers and things like that. Then that would be a time when you go to a medical professional and get a diagnosis now acupuncture can also be used to relieve headache and there's lots of evidence documenting the treatment of headaches with a Poncho you can occupy Chinese medicine practitioners can treat the pain of the headache at the time. Now, there's lots of different ways. They may go about that. Sometimes they may put some needles in your head. Excuse me. They may put some news in your head. They may put some acupuncture points in your body your hands feet legs arms. That kind of thing. Sometimes acupuncture acupuncture is used along the neck and the back like the upper back to alleviate that tightness and then free up the The flow of blood to the head because that's often the cause of many headaches is just musculoskeletal tightness, but we're mostly focusing on what you can do for your own self today in treating headaches. So you've got pain in your head. You can basically just palpate your head and I suggest you do this technique where you put your fingers in it on your scalp somewhere and you basically just move back and forth and you can see with my as I'm moving my hair lines moving back and forward, that's because we have our skull And then we have the skin that's on top of that and the hair coming out of our skin. And so you'll see that as I'm doing that I'm actually moving the skin is kind of moving being manipulated over the bones. Now your skull bones can move a tiny bit. You won't feel the move by doing this but it's your skull isn't one big bone. It's lots of bones that have basically fuse together like this and this is where you're going to do like a cranial if you see a crane No sacral therapist they often do treatment where they're they're slightly even chiropractors are slightly manipulating those bones or just affecting like in what we call the sutures which is where those two the two aspects of the bones. I'm so using my hands like this because if you if that's kind of what it's like and it's so what you'll see is what you're feeling your head is a little divot like a little sometimes you feel a little wine. So if you're not sure you can just run your Down and going back and forward and you might feel I can feel a little little. Little divot in there and so often that he knows along those lines are where many acupuncture points are and often you'll find in your head that is one or two spots that feel incredibly painful when you've got a headache like you might press and you might feel all that really hurts like it's but at the same time it's like a good feeling it feels like a good pain. So what do you do with that? Well often you can it's like a little acting like a little trigger. In your head, you can press press press it. Like just like I am now I'm just basically using one finger or two fingers to kind of just press in on that spot, press it in. Maybe if you want to go even harder like make it stronger. You can manipulate your fingers. I'm doing this very obviously but just kind of like this back and forward sort of in those spots and often with these kind of pressure points. You need to hold them for a bit of time. So, let's say you have your your head throbbing you're in a lot of pain you can kind of press the points like that. I'm mostly using my thumb's there, but I'm just resting my fingers on there. If your thumbs get tired, you can use the knuckles of your of your thumbs there at the side. So you can kind of just press in there and the other point that's often used is just at your temple. So this is one point here on your gall bladder Channel gallbladder one, but just back from that you have this soft area here now just use the pads of your fingers real gentle really gently to kind of just massage in there and you shouldn't feel any kind of title. Um Pine or anything like that. We just that gentle pressure. But you can press in a little bit harder. They don't want to press too hard because you certainly wouldn't want to press. Yeah. Don't press too hard. But you can just press gently a lot of people like to combine acupressure with essential oil use. So the oil that I would recommend you use for headaches is lavender oil now if you're allergic to Lavender or you've got other reasons why you can't use lavender than don't use it, but You can just use a carrier oil which is like I mean, you could just use cooking oil out of the cupboard if that's all that you've got a high-quality olive oils better than just standard vegetable oil. You could also use in massage therapy. They often use almond oil. Jojoba oil those kind of oils are nice oils to use when your skid soybean oil can be used and so you just using a little bit of oil to mix with the essential oils and then apply that to those areas. Just like that. So that's the first one I would do on your face. That is called Taeyang T AI y Ang and it's kind of just in that spot there and then Yin Tang here. So the way you use this point here, which is just what most people would consider their third II error. So just between you two eyes at the bridge of just above the bridge of your nose. Now, when you press here, if you just press you can press with your thumb and press with your finger. It's not as as effective as if you actually pinch it. So if you pinch that area pinching the skin together and is actually more effective because you're just you're really getting into that little bit of muscle that's there and printing those that muscle together rather than just pressing down on to the Bone. So that's a little tip that will make that so you can basically pinch and on your face you tend to want to press as generally much lighter than on like on your body. So on here on the her go point or any other points on your hands or feet Compress a little hot or not on your face one is you don't want really what most people want to bruise on their face. I don't want to bruise on my face. So it press lighter and also your face is more sensitive. Your skin is more a lot more sensitive, especially if you do have even more sensitive than average sensitive skin, then you can just press it very lightly. If you've got thinner skin. You don't want it to sort of tear your skin by pressing things to heart. So there the first points I would start with this one is just massaging your own scalp like this going around and just feeling mmm. Does that feel good as a Kind of some of the oh, wow. There's a really tight pop spot. They oh, wow, that really hurts. Okay so find those little trigger point. So it's really and you can just press them like a basically just pressing in so them holding them if I press two hands together, or I press in it and I can actually lean my head into my hand. So if I'm really tired I could less rest my hand on the desk and just sort of and you see people do that naturally just they do it because they're kind of in pain. It's just a natural way to kind of try to alleviate the pain. I'm so that's a good thing. You can try. The other ones you could do is on the back of your neck. So here this is called a full choke or bladder 20. So just behind your neck. So how do you find that point on yourself? Well, okay go to your ear. And just if you feel behind your ear, you'll feel this bony protrusion sort of there and they're going little bit further back and you might feel that protrusion of the muscle in a ridgy kind of way here. So that points in between two muscles once your That I caught a mess toward muscle or something just caught sem. It's got a really long time and then your trapezius. So the trapezius is the one at the very back. I'll just turn around here so you can kind of see. Do it like that I turn around here. You can see that's the point there. So you can use your two thumbs in between there. Now. What I'm doing is I'm just holding here on my head a tiny bit, but mostly pressing in here. And another little trick is then to lean your head towards the the pot the point and that's a that's a super effective point to do and that's called gallbladder 20. So that's a really nice point to kind of press. Press right in there and you can just get in there again if you get the wrong spot, but it's feeling good to you. You're not going to make it worse by pressing the wrong spot in those areas and you might even feel that through that SCM that Center clutter mastoid muscle that you have a bit of tightness that if it comes sort of round to the front here, you can see in the other video. I made I was talking about different how different channels like you to stomach her the large intestine Channel how that kind of relates to different areas this area. Here's the gallbladder area in in Chinese medicine a gall bladder channel is relating to the shower Yang channels of the other xiaoyang channel is you're saying ciao. Ciao. So if you've got if this is relieving the pain and you feeling better from pressing that the other aspect that you want to process on your forearm, so how do you find that so just the middle between these two bones you can just massaged that channel up and down here. So there's a lot of points here. So it was right in the middle of your wrist. That's one. Appoint such a for the main one. You probably want to use a center 5 which was two finger spaces apart from the center for sort of here and then a little bit further up now don't be worried so much more go for the channel. So you can just rub the channel. You can just rub literally just rub your thumb up and down you can what in Chinese Master they call Tambor which is like strumming across pressing across the other one that I really like to chat to recommend to people is me see if I've got a little pain or something on this. This desk. No, I don't but what I do have heat I do for pain is pain this please hold them. Here we go. So here's a pen just a standard pen. Okay, so we don't have anything else. So one is you can click it down so that you just have the blunt end there now, that's Two sharp, but you can use that as a little press. Oh now you're not poking it into the skin. But you just using that as a little thing to kind of press into the point, press into the point and you'll get a little very little pain mark on you just a circle payment or often the blunt end of the pen is a good one to use. So this is got the thing that presses the pen up and down. It's going to do that when I am clicking sound is picker, but that's really effective. You can do that. If you want that clicking sound doesn't annoy you too much. Sort of do some massage like that and that brings me to the other aspect which is the bird packing. So I'm going to go down sort of the sand jail Channel, which is kind of like going down my arm. And if you're not sure where these channels are just Google them. It's not that hard Sandow Asin Jiao Sandow is also translated as triple warmer or triple heater. And then the other one is your large intestines are this line intestine for point and if you're really interested in knowing about well, why do those things relate to headaches you can go and watch that headaches video the one I'll put in the description box bit more long-winded more about the Chinese medicine understandings of it and then you could just grab a key or something and just use the key to press. The points that's another thing to do. I often acupressure quite commonly done through the clothing. And so then you can use an Implement like you can even do you can do with you if your thumb or your hands through the clothing? So I hope this video has been useful and helpful to you. If it has then I encourage you to go and seek help with a Chinese medicine practitioner. If you've got ongoing problems with headaches and you want to see if you can find the natural way to treat it. It lots of people look for natural ways to stop pain because they want to get off painkillers or they just don't want to use painkillers on a regular basis. So, you know, there's nothing wrong with Western medicine like in Chinese medicine with a lot of practitioners, you know would use Western medicine on themselves or use Western medicine in some cases and lots of patients who use Chinese medicine use Western medicine as well. But the issue with chronic pain problems is when you're taking pain pills all the time, we're having second. So regularly they can have an impact. On your digestive system on your like on your actual the actual digestion. So you stomach especially anti-inflammatory based ones or the issue. Some people have is just being overloaded in their kidneys or liver because they like working overtime all the time and they might be at the point where they're maxed out on painkillers. Sometimes people get headaches. They've already got another chronic health problem, which is mean they're taking a lot of painkillers already and then they get this other issue and they can't just add in more more pain medicine. So go and see your Chinese medicine practitioner acupuncturist a registered acupuncturist or herbalist. And that way you'll be able to get that specific diagnosis. So these points are all just kind of very general generic point. So when would these be useful maybe if you're traveling and you and you can't get to a practitioner because you're on the airplane or something like that stuck in the airport. You've got a headache you're in a meeting and he just can't get out of that meeting at that moment and you want to try to relieve that pain if you can then these things can be used to help. Finally the other tip. I would give people is try a hot pack. Now often you go for cold. You can you can try either a cold or hot pack but heat expands blood vessels makes blood vessels expand the best place to put the hot pack is on the back of your neck or on the top of your head. And so if you try the sometimes I even put the hot pack on my forehead what that does is it just makes blood vessels expand and then that can often alleviate the pain and at least you could get some symptomatic relief for a little while. So, I hope that this video has been useful and helpful to you and look forward to seeing you again on the next.

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Yeah, this is our final show of the Year final show of the decade. You know, it always blows my mind how quick these things go by like before I know it we start the year and then the next thing you know it hey, we're on the last show. I feel like I remember last year's last show so vividly and I'm like, how did that go by so fast? Well, I mean as we get older, It seems even quicker Denise. I know you hear that and yeah that and I'm sure for you even now as your age. I mean, you're not 30 yet. No, but like the perception of time has started to get quicker for you, right since you were a little kick like I remember being in middle school and thinking oh God this year is never going to end and now I remember planning my New Year's Eve celebrations last year and I'm like now I'm planning them again. Like that's kind of really scary to me. Like I'm running. I feel like I'm running Of time. Yeah. Wow. We started on a positive note there ya know really what it is. It's just the way it is and so I could just makes me more grateful and like and and it also makes me try harder to be in the moment, you know, and and enjoy things and be present right now and enjoy life instead of you know, you know projecting into the future like, you know, you know, or Or just living in the past great. It's also interesting how much can happen in a year. Like if you think about it, you know, January, you know, we were still sort of, you know, preparing for the Road to Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania comes your in the Hall of Fame and then few months later. You're like, oh look this is happening again. Like it's crazy all of those things that happened in this one year. Yeah. And so I could since you mentioned the Hall of Fame I was still I still hadn't come down from the high of this past Year's Hall of Fame ceremony, and then I get a call he going and hold him again. Right. That's what I'm saying. A lot of things happen can happen in one year like it makes you like more hopeful for the following year, you know. Yeah, that's crazy. The other day I did Sam Roberts show. How was that? I'm fine. You know, I mean you guys are good friends. Sure. I don't know. I just brought that up because I be we just talked about the same stuff. Yeah about last week. Oh, no, you know, it sounds been a good friend. He's a friend of the Network's to this is Chef your producer in the booth and he our CEO. Undergaro is very close to Sam. So always nice to keep it in the family Sean. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he really has been like and like I was one of Sam's first big interview like yeah before when he was still like a producer Opie and Anthony show. He really hadn't he really hadn't really made the name for himself yet. And so I'm I'm proud of that. I've been a Sam Roberts fan before about anybody. We got to see the growth from like where you started. To like where he has the now Etc. Yeah, then Kevin to write and like you like you were just saying Jeff Kevin, you know undergaro separately was big fans of Sam. So when Kevin and I connect and then we have all that in common is just pretty cool. It's really cool makes the world feel pretty small and that's it happens, which is always good Denise. What are we going to talk about? All right. Well, obviously we started talking about all the things that happen in a year while there was so much. That happened in the world of wrestling and literally as I was driving over here, like all these things just like kept popping up into my head. I was like wait this happened that happens. We need to talk about this on the show. So let's go ahead and kind of start off talking about some important wrestling moments that happen this year. Let's go ahead and start off with no particular order, you know this year. We had the first ever women's main event at WrestleMania and that was very historic and not only the fact that it wasn't just because they were women know they were the hottest thing on the On the show. So let's kind of dive into that and you know, maybe something I don't know. Did you ever think you'd see the day? Well, I did starting the night of WrestleMania the previous one previous one, you know when when Rhonda and and in Kurt Angle, yeah, they're match was Stephen and honor your lips, right? Yes, Maryland's. Yeah. So after that I kept in My Mind. And I'm told Ronda Rousey the next day, but you're going to be in WrestleMania. You're going to be in the main event of WrestleMania next year. I just knew it my mind. I could just see it all coming together and it's easy to say that like after it all, you know after it all happens. Oh, I saw it coming and I called it and I'm probably not the only one it just seemed like that was the natural progression of things and it's so crazy because during that point in time. I'm sure you didn't expect to see Becky might have expected. Charlotte's but you didn't expect Becky Lynch as well, right, you know and to kind of sort of see that all culminate into this year. Like it's pretty pretty intense how that all happened just to watch like how they adjusted creatively, you know to accommodate that, you know, Becky coming in prominent and you know becoming so hot so quick and kind of throwing a little monkey wrench and to the long-term plans for that, right? And those I thought they did a really good job of adjusting like she made and whatever their plans were because of her. They had to change those things clearly and I mean, obviously we don't know what the original plans where but it's safe to say that maybe nobody saw her coming in that sense, you know, but I think one of the cool things about all of this though is that people were genuinely interested to see what I mean. Everybody obviously had their money on Becky, you know, expecting to her expecting her to have her big WrestleMania moment, but I'm sure there was some people that probably thought well maybe They could go with Ronda Rousey or you know surprises all and go with Charlotte. So I think that I remember that day where people were, you know, really talking about who their picks were who they thought but then oh they had a they people were second-guessing who might win this, you know, gee I didn't make a pick. I just like I could see I could see a case for any of them winning that and say that's a good thing that it made you have a case for everybody because not every match has that and that was one of the things that we're that one fight for left and I were talking about on Raw that was one of the things That we were talking about during The Gauntlet match where I was like you need a half contenders wrestlers that you actually think have a shot at winning this whatever it is, whether it's a tournament a main event Etc. Like you want to believe that this person has a shot. Even if they're not your pick. Well, you kind of I mean, it's really important really important. I mean Nelson, you know, what's the I don't know makes the match mean who held a lot less when you don't have that. So I mean obviously yeah. Yeah. Alright. So there you go. So that happened there with that that was iconic. I think that people are that's definitely a moment that you know, they were able to have and you know appreciate so one of the other things that I was thinking about obviously was the move for Smackdown to Fox and NXT on the USA Network. So let's talk about let's start off with NXT on the USA Network. You know, how do you think that has? God in terms of like, you know the success the storylines the whole thing and you know, just what it meant what it means for the business and what it means for those guys in NXT to you know be now on the USA Network. Hmm. Well, I mean as far as like what it means like it's not really for me to say what it means to another individual like we kind of you know. Each person kind like things mean something different to different people, you know, and like, you know, like we were talking about I don't know in the last week or two. I can't remember what show it was but it was in the last few weeks how you know, the actually like the demographic of the NXT roster is quite diverse. Not just you know, like ethnically or you know gender wise or anything like that, but just like AIDS wise and experience. Balls, so yeah, some people like are like it mean like because of that it can mean different things to different people right? Like I mean, it's about from a business perspective like a standard like as a fan like how this changes like, you know wrestling where you're like, oh, you know, you not only have Raw and SmackDown, you know, now you have NXT 2 and sort of seeing it, you know, because we saw this big shift from it going from a developmental brand to it being in Paris, you know, we saw the whole Survivor series and all of that with it actually been on par with Raw and SmackDown. Of how its seen because it should no longer be seen as a developmental brand. Yeah, and and I got to take my hat off to them when it comes to how they did that because in the past say like Survivor series or things like that, you know, the perceived top brands like, you know, the Big Show is raw, right and then Smackdown was on Tuesday, and it wasn't so like I remember a couple of like last year. Or before like Smackdown brand got their ass handed to them right? I can just make it look like like nothing and then have to go and pick up the pieces the next week and like try to build all the stars back up on TV. So that didn't really happen. It was actually the opposite right? Yeah. Yeah, you know introducing NXT roster to the greater, you know universe that might not have been familiar with them. So I think they did a great job on that and the lead-up to That you know where they had, you know, the NXT stars on Smackdown which was you know, probably like I don't recall people raving about a Smackdown life that one this whole entire year. So like I feel like that says a lot but are we talking about when they had the transportation issues? Yes. Yeah. Yes. I think it was the November other Saudi they gonna get back from Saudi, right? Yeah. Yeah the November 1st Smackdown. Yeah, when they just had to throw something together and fly in the guy, you know that ended up working really has great. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, so like that's what I'm saying. Like I think I can terms like this to me. It was a big deal because you know NXT. Yeah people were raving about it. But now it's on the same plane right now. It's like, you know, it was kind of like the cool kids had the secret like The Underground club like the punk kind of a punk punk rock Vibe. Ya know that that's that's the thing and like now the fact that they have this going, you know, it's just you know, it's good for everybody. You know, we've talked about it. We talked about it with Damian presents cetera. You know, we've talked about a Non-Stop here and we'll talk more about it later actually, but now let's go ahead and sort of talk about SmackDown on Fox because this was a big deal because as we know Fox, is that a big big Network and for them to sort of, you know, make that move there and you know sort of be you know, there's always been you know, there it was more of a mainstream move and then to be more associated with you know Sports. I thought that was a big impact and a big change for WWE. But what are your thoughts on that? I'm just I'm really impressed because in the past like the you know, the networks that that have partnered with various. Well, you know wrestling promotions have gone nearly as all and as fox has with WWE in this as far as getting behind them and promoting them and you know promoting them on their other shows on football and baseball. All of it. So, you know, it's really hard for anyone to blame Fox if things don't go right in this I got the network really wasn't supporting us like they've done a great job. Excellent job. They've been everywhere, you know, you know, what do you call it? My fiancé is big on Sports and he's always watching the games and it's always very likes astonishing to me. Where are you know, I'll be casually watching and then bam out here the promotion first Mac that and I'm like that is so, you know, it's not something. Thing that you were used to seeing I think and you know having them go having those having the guys go to the shows and you know them being talked about, you know on commentary which I thought was pretty cool. But one of the things that I remember talking about this heavily with everybody during the the blue carpet that they did was the fact that they were being seen on a different playing field and one of the things that is really cool too is that the women were being you know, Becky Lynch was one of the faces that Charlotte was one of the ones that was doing all the promotional stuff. So it seems like they were going like it was Big change overall not just like it was a big change over all yeah. All right, and now obviously we have to talk about this because the biggest one of the biggest things that happen in wrestling was aw coming to get coming and you know, basically putting their show on and the Wednesday night Wars with aw NXT. So in terms of that like how do you think that change the to this year in wrestling? Hmm? I mean besides the obvious. I don't know. I mean obviously the One competition. I mean I'm sitting here like we're like speechless it's just I don't want to say something and just the same old shit. Like everyone says, oh just great everyone, you know make more money, but obviously obviously like I guess what talk about what it's done for the overall product because I mean, it's look T. Shows NXT is putting out because of That you know, like it's on every week. I turn a Christian. It's so good. Even if there's a couple things here and there that aren't, you know, complete home runs. They're still good. I know. I wish I had a better like a better Insight on that and I know you just ask me just it's just the obvious. It's not it's interesting. Great. Everyone making money. Yeah, you know more leverage for talent. I don't know or what about the fans like weighing in and having this big emphasis on like weekly ratings. Like everyone's like stoked to see like what the ratings are and maybe that has, you know inspired some sort of spark, you know within the wrestling fan Community as well, you know to You know be checking up on these shows and see what they're doing. You know, it adds, you know that human interest to it. Oh sure. Yeah. All right. Now the big things that happened that happened in wrestling and I just thought hey 2019 all of these things happen, and I'm sure there's still a lot more that I didn't even mention or like little things even with some of the outsider companies as well. Which you know, it's pretty interesting to me. Okay, so So let's go ahead and jump into because this morning you were talking to me about the NXT year-end Awards, so do not want to talk about like Marty's girl know that that first that first. Okay, let's go ahead and jump into the news then and there to talk about the no it's okay. Well then talk about that next to year-end Awards, but I thought that was interesting and you are like, I wasn't familiar with the - girl thing. Okay. Alright. So let's go ahead and so Marcus girl appeared on nwa's and to Into the Fire pay-per-view and basically confronted Nick Aldous at after he had had With a James storm, I believe and so as we know his contract expired November 30 with Ring of Honor and everybody was like, oh, it's Marty gonna go with aw. All his friends are there or is he gonna you know do something different and go to WWE maybe go on NXT or something or whatever, you know, so people were asking themselves these questions, but then it sort of was a swerve surprise for him to appear on NWA who has been getting you know, you know people have been saying a lot of good things about power and the product that they have been putting out. Yeah. So for him to show up there was kind of I think unexpected. But Shawn I kind of want to talk about these things because right now it seems that people it seems that people thought. Hey, it's either a w or WWE. Yes, but it seems to me like he might be going a different direction and maybe taking the direction of going towards the Indies. Yeah, because what I saw it as and how I pitched it to you this morning was hey WWE, aw are going to be there regardless Yep. This is a Time. Opportunity to take basically for him to make more money. So your thoughts. So yeah. I call them are key in the tower either has been gobbled up by one of the two or you know for the most part one of the two companies. I mean that you know, there's something that mlw there that are good gets talent-wise obviously and and impact a butt. So just a short, you know few months ago you last year like there was a much greater availability for good talent. Right, right established Talent on these and it's just not there right now. I mean, that's all like, you know all the names that I think I've been take it out take it up, you know and And so there's a demand there and the and these these promotions still exist. I mean they still I think there's still that that that demand for that product. And so it's really smart. Yeah. I think it's actually smart Marty right like granted. He hasn't made like any official. Hey, I see, you know, we know he's a free agent, but the way I see it. I'm like dude like go make your money work that's needed right now, and he Do that like on a nightly basis and stay a free agent to where he can sign with anyone and show up anywhere just like that right and make an actual impact because if you know if he doesn't show up right away to aw, or he worked in if he were to show up right away to aw kind of be like, oh, well, you know, I expected that their friends Etc. They have a history, you know, if you were to show up to WWE people like oh, okay. That's also interesting. But I think if time goes by By it'll be, you know, sort of you know impactful with whatever decision he decides to make and Marty really and truly is one of the very top talent out there right now and he's unique he absolutely unique actually. Yes, we had him on the show like over a year ago and the way he talked about how he came up with his character development was just yeah, you know extraordinary, so that's what's going on with Marty's girl and one of the things I also want to talk to you about because you mentioned it on Twitter. You've also had this person as a guest before it's pco2 is now the new Ring of Honor Champion. What are your thoughts on that? I don't really follow roh except for what I see, you know Twitter online, but I'm aware that that Carl has been performing an incredibly high level ever since he came back on the scene that really surprised me actually when it comes to him like he's always been incredibly durable and resilient and and some of the bumps. I've seen him take like I remember one time he worked with Bret Hart when he was the pirate not Brett, but when I close the pirate and He did like that topic on hero and had brought just move out of the way and he just fucking ate shit right on there, you know, like spam this things like that. You had no problem doing it. Like I seen them do similar things like that recently. Yeah, you know But I'm so happy for him and he obviously has more pressure going into this because people aren't going to be just nice about things nowadays, you know, they're gonna hold them to either some people obviously going to hold them to a different standard. But some people are going to hold them to the standard that everybody else is being held to you know, but it seems like I know the events that I saw him people were freaking out in the audience. I'm sitting there and I'm watching grown man going. Oh my God, like did he just do this? And that's In that sense. I feel he brought something different because every time he does something it's so crazy. It's so powerful. It's impactful. It makes you just go. Oh my God, and I feel like you know, we haven't gotten a lot of that when you're watching, you know, somebody, you know, you're impressed. Yeah, but he made people just freak out about what he was doing. At least for the shows that I put in line work and developing that character, you know him and his manager the whole Destro event and just all of that. Oh that character work that went into this and it just really really cool to see that for him. Yeah, you know, yeah, I think you know, some people know like there was a history The Click and and Carl but you know, let's that was a long time ago and I'm really happy for the guy before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one. 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So as we mentioned we were going to talk about the NXT year-end Awards, so can you kind of tell me a little bit or tell everybody here, you know kind of about them and how you you were voting and all of that stuff and then we'll just and then we'll go into each one of them one by one just that we The Hall of Famers are being included in the voting with with the with the WWE Universe this year like I'm not sweet so you got to vote for your favorites. Okay, that's pretty cool. Alright, so let's go ahead and kind of break them down. So for takeover of the year your selection was part of Cardiff. So yeah, tell us a little bit about why you chose Cardiff or take over the year because there are so many great ones. So what about balance just act like Remember in the ring broke. Yeah. Yeah. It was like like it was there was that show and every and even that Matt like like every match was just excellent on that show like and you say that about all that all you know and talk about this all the time Whenever discussing takeovers whether it's like on my Twitter or here, you know a gun the show like they just always doing an amazing job of either. Hopping or at least following the the previous takeover. And and this was just one of those like the match is they built their each match was excellent and it just built until like the until the Walter and tiger bait match, which is just I have no I had no problem vote for that. Like I know we haven't gotten there yet. But like well, what do you got there? That was your match? Absolutely. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. Tyler Bay and Walter, that's saying a lot. Yes. Oh my God, the women's war games all kinds of great stuff. There was so much torment. Like I'm said that I called my, you know hundred Sean everybody. I'm like man I'm taking this really serious and these are really tough decisions to make as far as you know, choosing a winner for take you long to pick a long time. Yeah. I don't really think we think are but see that's that if you know If you're a Tyler babe, you're Walter and you're hearing this and for you know for you to say like hey, he took a long time at the end. He picked me that I was part of this. So what was it specifically about this match that made you or these two guys that made you. All right, right. It was just one. It was just a classic, you know. It was really Innovative stuff. It wasn't just a bunch of. You know, we have all the we have all these routines that we do with each other in matches and that's all stuff. We've seen before and going in and out of it in the same ways. And it was just wasn't a lot of that in this match. It was just really fresh fresh stuff and and hard hitting it just you know, it just like table tennis fucking killing each other and just Tyler, you know, Tyler bait just Man, I die huge huge fan. I have since he was a kid. I mean, he still kind of kid like compared to us. But like I mean since he was in his teens, I've just been huge fan of his so I gotta ask, you know, obviously been in the wrestling business for so long. Do you is it hard to be impressed by what you're seeing or is it hard for certain guys to or sort of matches to impress you or do you feel like you're more open towards that like, how do you like like, do you You're watching and because you know it so well, like what are yours? What's your thought process when you're seeing starting guys do something? I don't know. I don't really have a thought process. I'm just going to try to go into a pray like, you know, my trying to make my mind go blank. Like, you know, but nitpicking ass. Yeah, and that way I can receive all like everything they're doing, you know without immediately going on fuck that up and they did you know, like I just try to To enjoy it, right? You know, I think we can still Critique and analyze and all that without you know something I mean some people they just fucking ruin it are you can be a fan and give your appropriate analysis, you know and not have to have people trashy because I feel like that's a thing nowadays where you say I'm a fan of no selling it and I doing that. Okay, let's just enjoy it for what it is. All right, so Tyler bait Walter from the Cardiff show. What's the your match of the year? So now let's go into rivalry of the year. What was your pick? For me, it was cold and Gargano. So I am going to ask you just for the sake of people knowing but I know exactly why that was, you know rivalry of the year, but for you, like what was the reasoning behind it? I mean obviously but no just for the viewers perspective to get this. It was just there was execution was the that was well written and they executed everything, you know, and both guys did a really good job verbally, the matches were amazing. I don't know what else to say. Well, I think the cool thing is about this one particularly is that you know, there's so many guys that we've seen, you know have match after match after match and you know, sometimes eventually the interest is lost but with these Two guys, they had so many matches where each and every single one of them. You're like, oh it can't top the last time because the last one was the best thing I ever saw and then the next one you're like, okay. Well, that was the best thing I ever saw and the fact that they were still able to keep the people's right at the edge of their seats, you know, really falling for everything that they did and it's just they always took it to a different level. Yeah, you know, that's right. All right best tag team of the year, yui. For you, what was it about them that made you pick them? I mean obviously they're excellent in the ring, but it's just their books really strong. You just be honest with you. I mean just it's kind of hard not to choose. It's either him or the prophets. That's true. You know, it was tough because I was I was on I was on you know, it could have gone either way with that because good case could be made for street profits. Oh, yeah, excellent case. All right, and this one I guess. They just they were book strong as fuck. Yeah, that's that out. So this next one. I was actually pretty actually your next few answers. I was pretty surprised. I'll be honest with you. But let's go ahead and start off with a breakout star of the year. Your pic was so key flee there are obviously like it's there's so much talent. And then okay. Yeah, it was tough because in my boys are riddle and and Damian priest. And you can talk about any of those guys. It's just most recently Keith has made like, you know, a huge impact when he was given the opportunity. So I just hard for me to pick anybody else and it only feels recent because you know, he did have an injury back in March of this year. And then you know, he sort of came in and was part of the you know, the the take over the invasion and all of that and it was really feels like it's a recent. Yes shot light that's been shined on him, you know? Yeah, okay and Go ahead and talk about future star of the year your pick. I might Jaya Jaya. So I think it's hard to you know, sort of like look forward to Future and say like this person's going to be a star II thought your answer was going to be Matt riddle. To be honest for this one was already a star but like in terms of like the level he's not even in that category. I see what you mean. There's two like there's little chance for okay. Okay. So what was its particularly about her? I just I She hasn't zero experience. I don't even know if she ever watched wrestling before they recruited her and she's really good. She has a really good handle on this mentally on what to do in there when when she's like making her come back to her fire. She shows and uh people that have been in wrestling for way longer than her some of y'all need to look at her when when she's making her come back. She fucking blows so many of y'all away. It's not even fucking funny. You know the way I see knock somebody down and instead of just standing there waiting for them to get back up. She's like come on and like she's into it and it just doesn't look like choreographs just pulls you in yes. Yes, and her technique is excellent. All right, and I guess speaking of technique for this one. This is a good pig. Twitter feed is really good too. Really? Yeah. Is that okay female Superstar of the Year female star of the Year tough? That's tough. That's really tough. Well and just based on performance I had to go with you but I it was tough for me not to pick Shana. I know I think I was expecting you to picture. She's my favorite. Yeah, she's my favorite and overall like she's it just if I'm to be honest like like man, nobody fuckin touchy. Oh, right, like just my opinion what seems an and she's one of those people that can have a great match with Smile any person that she's working in the room with and whatever their style is. She can pull out, you know a great matchup that person you know, and there's something I mentioned emotions almost just like Carrie saying before her in a taxi, right? It's a really like to me like they're really similar such a villain. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, but it seems like whatever she does in the ring is like super clean and crisp no matter how fast she's moving. These she does everything the way it's supposed to burn. Everything is done with purpose. Everything I see her do so and I'm just so impressed with her. All right and male star of the year. Mmm jumper and for you, what was that? um part of it obviously is he's booked in that position and he I mean he he's dying every like, he's done all the work. He he's worked on his body his look his Who's Mike skills, you know every match he's in that he just comes up as to as the top guy of NXT to me. You know like it seems like they've kind of put him in that position and he's risen to the occasion and like guy. I have no problem looking at him as that. I feel like he's one of those guys that no matter who's in the ring with him just by being in the ring with him. He elevates that person. You know, that's how I feel when I see tommaso Champa versus pretty much anyone or I'm like, okay, you're in the ring with tomasa Champa like for me, it just makes me take you much more seriously and the match more seriously because he just brings that attitude and that vibe to everything that he does. Yeah, and you know the old tommaso Champa And I heard the name before and I'd seen around but was I don't think I don't think he would take exception to hear me say this but it was kind of forgettable. I didn't even think like when I heard the name, I couldn't put a face to it mind you. He looks way different now, right? Right, right and that's all part of this. Like, I think he real there he is. I think he realized you know, so I have to something has to change, you know, like he I was just just fine as it grade a great part of any shell but like wasn't a standout right you have a casual wrestling fan you guys know and when you look at this photo I have pulled up. There's nothing really distinguishing previous Champa that would compare to now there's such more of an identity with what he's made this year. I think yeah, he's cultivated this image and this Persona that is just I mean, it's catapulted him right good for him, man. I'm so happy for him. all right, and our last one which was overall star of the year and for you that was Your answers for you. Sorry. Yeah, sure. I for you. Yeah, that's just I don't know. Like that was it could it could have been her could have been Chopper could have been changed. I don't know. I just had to kind of give her the edge right with it. There's just too many people to pick from like I feel like there's kind of no wrong answer for this one. I don't well. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. I mean that's the else. They wouldn't have been included in the category to choose from right? So, all right. Well, there you go. That's where your NXT year-end Awards. I'm sure everybody else has you know, you know, I feel like everybody's everybody's take on. This will be pretty fun to see ya. Yep, so hopefully I won't get hot about me talking about this on the show. I got this but why though like I feel like everyone's allowed to have an opinion like you're a fan have an opinion. I just don't know if they've announced award categories or anything yet. Have they? I don't think so. Oh, oh, oh, I see what you mean now? Okay. Well when I got too far out of it, but I mean it's categories that are expected there like every year end award is so Of going to have these similar categories so you can go up and decide for yourself. I love it when I think I turned my phone off, but I really didn't. Okay, I'll fuck it. Okay. Well, that's our show that we've got we went through we actually did like a lot of you know talking about different things. Is there do you have any pics for next year in terms of just not like not specifically just for honesty anybody that you want to see highlighted more next year. Well, I just I not that not that I it's not what I want. It's just observing things and you know. This is a 20/20 is going to be really Ripley's year. That's a good pic. Yeah point. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out fuck. So yeah, it's going to be a lot of their years riddle priest reah Shana. They're all going to fucking Kick-Ass all of them Keith. Fuck. I'm this one are missing, you know, I mean people out here. Just I mean, that's it. I'm just a really really big on NXT right now. What an incredible roster. Well, especially with the platform now on USA Network. I think it's going to be clear for all of all of us to see that and you know sort of, you know, see what they've been doing. So it's pretty it's pretty exciting I think for 2020 specially because there's still people that we haven't really seen, you know, we've heard of we but you know, once they get that focus on there it'll you know be even more exciting. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess that's the show for this week. Appreciate everybody tuning in. See you next week right here AfterBuzz TV studios. Thank you for tuning in to x hawk one to 360.

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See your stamina is like it's very very if you're watching this on YouTube, we're wearing the same clothes. We don't have a lot of production value here. Nope, or a wardrobe production value and frankly we both look great. Let's be honest. Oh, that's nice. I think this was actually a Father's Day gift this t-shirt if you're not watching It's a Millennium Falcon streaking across the sky with red white and blue stripes. So somehow it's like Star Wars and America. No GI Joe. That's it's not really a gyro. Is it is that truly a GI Joe realize that aren't you? The guy loves GH all of his capacity watch your words. Be careful Cassity. Think about what you're going to say capacity thinking about like like pop culture Uncle Joe, but here's the thing. I don't have To spend time thinking about it. I just wondered that shit like a sponge some people have you know, an affinity for certain different things. I have a friend who can tell you who was drafted in the drafted six by the Bruins and the third round in 1983 to see Rock back and forth. You know what just because you're not passionate about things and you don't have hobbies. Yeah. I'm passionate about being dead inside that doesn't make sense my passion. That's a contradictory statement someone who's dead inside without is actually about things is it though? I'm so sick of you the burden the burden I was about real people think that is because we keep asking people to go to patreon and give us money so I can get a new new co-host and we've got single dad. We got a handful of people who can see really want get out. Okay on the single dad tear trying to put we should rename these two, you know lukewarm. I'm pushing peed out for two dollars a month is Chris Coleman David Tuttle, Ms. Baybayin who also helped pays on anchor because she just getting her money everywhere to get you the fuck out of her ears that seems Barbara Geiger on the dad bod funky feet last one. I teased she has a really nice comment about Father's Day coming up. Okay, my former colleague Julie McCarthy. She has some excellent. I think it's Mockingbird jewelry perhaps where she does like she goes to Renaissance faires, right which is like fantasy football, but with like nights you're spoiling the right. She creates jewelry and sells it there and it's actually very nice stuff World's Greatest Dad. Tear Sarge hates. Your guts really wants you off. He sometimes he deems me on Instagram. It says p is really holding you back and I'm like, you know, what starts? All right, just kidding. Yeah feel like you're really shooting your coal wedemeyer Mary Williams and Mom party of two or the other worlds greatest dad's you guys appreciate your support. If you do want P. If you do want me to use your funds to oust Pete. Please be specific. Shoot me some dams. Let me Maybe I'll put a pole up. Yeah, like you really turn this pretty nasty so good for you. It's Father's Day. Oh good call Father's day though is the best day for all dad's? Hey, I'm it is I disagree best. We're going to get into that in a second. But if you want to hear what we say, you need to get us on iTunes Spotify Blaze, which is a platform. I've made up which plays sounds like it should be a podcast. Oh there there is the blaze. Is it a podcast now? It's no that's like a conservative out. I'm not into that let me retract that you made up an ultraconservative my father heard have you heard of Infowars absolutely was also there to we're also you can hear us on the blaze. You can see the wars about gay frogs supplements. I'm telling you. Have you seen the commercials for on them? There's a new Nissan called Nissan kicks. The name of the car is kicks that literally almost makes me throw up Kicks Ki C KS. It's the dumbest name for a car I've ever heard and then there's one called Enclave. It's a minivan. Obviously it's going out. There's so many I think he might be on supplements. You're just naming karnazes. Anyway, has anyone ever heard of a full Focus Ford Focus can't even believe this. You got me Pete. If you were paying our names all over me for no reason. I think I'm bringing. That I feel like I'm bringing a little bit of something to this but arm like that the pole is for guys. I want to say one thing. Well Mike's taking a sip of his beer and just chilling out. We have a merch site. Wow. Look at this murder site. I'll haul those on YouTube will be able to see it with their eyes where those listening can have to visualize we will put us a lesson old wrapping a little couplet will put a link at bars and Danbury.com. Yeah, we'll put a link to the merch we had to get my deal for mug on their I love that thing was also a Father's Day gift. Can't wait for that mother octopus who is a very good mom memer and kind of bloggers and Instagram one year. I took a photo of myself with my with my deaf mug on Father's Day and she just runs she goes because you bought yourself a dilf mug for Father's Day my no, it was a gift. She's like, yeah sure. It was a gift so shouts to a mother octopus for making me feel bad about myself. Wow, and I think that to you for really really taking that one falling on the sword of that one. Well, you know, what if I Self-deprecating guy are you okay? Yeah, I fucking am okay not very good at it though. So today we're talking about effers day Father's Day. If you just said is the best day of the year for dads and you said on our page here in our notes that you think is better than your birthday birthday any holiday. It's the best honey best ha your favorite holidays for the number one holiday. Why because it's a blank check. No because you know what? It's nationally recognized you have so so are all the other fuck. In Holiday what holiday Christmas is nationally recognized. It's not about money. It's how you say it again. It's not about me. It's not about me though. It's about Jesus what birthdays garbage the greatest Gathering of all is happening. Oh and your birthday, we've I've organized we're going to go to a family event out in Secaucus. God damn it. Wow, trash and throw in Secaucus under the bus. It's the Cottages fine. I guess mates from the Garden State. He said earlier I know but I just don't want to go to these things. I'm sitting moving to the Garden State and one of my Hang-Ups is I When I have to say that I live in New Jersey, okay, although we have friends who live there and they love parts of it, New Jersey Daniel. Larusso is from New Jersey know what that's good enough for me. It's wonderful. All right, we'll be right back after this. Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcast in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now here. We were having a normal conversation and I thought I knew more about Spotify. We're on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download Episodes and listen offline wherever you are and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. I'm on Instagram. Are you on Instagram? Get out of here? If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for dead and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. So I want I want to get back before we get into Father's Day. I want to apologize to my friend Pete over here. I was little I was a little hard on you in the earlier segment. I didn't mean it. Oh buddy Pete, you know, you know what happened? We did discipline. Oh, it was pretty heated. You were just filled with adrenaline. I was you know, you know, I'm running like I'm spinning like a top right now. Okay, right. You know what trying to get my bearings trying to keep the energy level up. That's big of you you yeah. I own my mistakes. You know what that makes you a perfect father for Father's Day house, I'm not a perfect father for any day. I don't know man. I'm just trying to like you fucking blew it. You got uncomfortable be apologizing to you. And now you're fucking ruining it a damn it. But what I want to do is when you talk about Wi-Fi is really ready to stay in the world. That's like what I disagree that small I want to send this is the day so we talked about Mother's Day remember that. Do you know why I remember Pat moms? Oh my God. I know me to get into it. Although I read a comment about pet moms. That actually made me really sad and I've take this happen. Everyone can well, I think everything's back about pet mouse. So there are fat dad's to okay people have been sending my stuff about them and I don't want to think about is if anything I'm into pet dad's I'm fine with it. I'm just kidding. I'm good with the pet now. Okay getting it's all crazy know. It's that it's crazy. But let's not we're talking about dads. This is called Dad and buried because that's the whole point of this thing. We're dad's right you and I yeah to get point is that were buried the dad thinks not unique and but Guess what is unique Father's Day. It's a nationally it's a national holiday where your wife and my wife have to recognize they did a might have to do anything and our children. It will not up for that. You feel legally bound to recognize Mother's Day a hundred percent in your prenup. Oh my God, definitely. I don't give a shit about Father's Day. You know, but like I don't care that's like what a boring person would say. Why would you be well, I think it's what the most interesting person was. Okay. My wife's don't what do you want to do for Father's Day and I say I don't care. Don't worry about it. Really? Yeah, it's not something that you want to take advantage of wind. Why wouldn't be asking but I don't need to why don't you you know what it is. It's because you don't like going anywhere outside of your apartment. And all you want to do is stay inside your apartment. Here's Thing here's the thing coming up with such a thing with me. I like you. Just want to be there. I like why don't you tell your family to just like why are you being places outside of my apartment? I don't like going places outside of my heart. This is the thing. I don't like Logistics. I don't like the traveling between I don't like having to pack stuff and I'm packet. Okay deal with shit. I don't like having kids with me when I go places. They don't play married. I don't like a lot of things. I don't let gistic saikai like I like going on vacation. But when in the lead-up to Vacation, my wife is like it's all about the anticipation. I am just yeah, I'm just so nervous and anxious about all the packing and how miserable that part is going to be right so why don't till I'm there. I'm not having this is the thing though. It's your day. So why can't you be like, hey, I'll meet you at the Bronx Zoo what? I don't know. Why don't you send your family you guys take the bus and I'll dry it out. He's at the Bronx Zoo. See you when I see you. I think you pick you up from the bus. Stop. I took the Bronx Zoo. What's that? And it literally kill myself that's actually the correct response the to the bus. Yeah to the professionally that it was not I dig the fire was hot days we gonna fucking Bronx Zoo is August and you're hot and miserable in the lions are hiding because they just want the shade God. Damn it. The zoo really sucks most of the time. I love it in theory and I always want to go and see my little guys because I love animals, but man the Bronx Zoo is nice the Bronx taking out of subway. To the Bronx is Hell on Earth yet not cool. It's not it's not sweet. We double it into I'm saying we won't be me doing it with my wife and my two children, right if probably driving and you'll pick them up and you'll be okay. How was it? How was it if they make it off all three of them? No, no just have them walk, you know to the soldiers. So what you're saying is I think what you should be saying is if I don't like Logistics of it, that's one of the nice things is you tell your wife what you want to do or just say surprise me or whatever. She handles everything but here's the thing my wife already handles all the Planning because I don't plan things because I don't like planning or doing things literally is this Ella confidential whatever you desire is that an LA Confidential reference the bump-out said, fuck it like that movie where the blood was. All right, that's it. That's all that last sharp suit and every desire love that movie. It's the day. Yeah. That's the one day be if you're saying Father's Day is Like high-end hookers have been cut to look like Hollywood stars. You know what I wasn't but now that you put it in my room just I'm kind of thinking about it like Give me a little bit of time and you know, ask your wife be like so how far does my carte blanche on Father's Day? Go honey. What do you think if I was with Bettie Page not like the real Bettie Page is that someone cut to look like Betty Page? Right? He'd probably like who's abducted from her family and she would probably say absolutely not and then I'd say, it's Father's Day. She was Bettie Page like the old like an older actress Rita Hayworth Bettie Page is really the only one you could think of time actress that I make it like this so feel around and said, you know what Grace Kelly boom. Jim okay because you're wondering super says she is more dead than what dead people. All right, I like it because I've had so many birthdays where it's like. Oh, maybe don't be so hard on yourself. You still look good to me home, please the you know, the Crypt Keeper Kripke Peter. I do. I love that shown as a kid keeper. I'm I'm in that zone. Yes, it doesn't hurt me. So But no, I like the fact that this is a national recognized holiday. Obviously think that's meaningless, but sure no, but I think like you have to recognize nope. Why do you keep there's no because there's no holiday. Anyone has to recognize. Yeah, if you really matter if you're National, whatever. Yeah, I'm saying sure but I'm just saying that's a weird distinction to make that's why you like it. So your birthday is it but so what does the fact that your birthday is? Not nationally recognized affect whether I wrecked your wife celebrates it Because she feels like if yes in celebrate Father's Day, she'll get arrested. It doesn't make any sense. You silly. You've cover Godly nail. So you what's funny is you say nationally recognized. Apparently they have one in other places. I know they do right but funky fee. Okay, Barbara Geiger, who is the dad bod tear? Yep, and I did not mean to imply that she paid to join the dead by tear because she wants you gone. I don't know. I'm putting words in her mouth if she wants to she gets a that herself and a few she's sweet. She gives me a lot of confidence. So you like she's not afraid to say so let's find out Barbara. Funky feet let us know so she said they already had there's in Germany, but this is what they did. They let her husband sleep in they prepped all his favorite stuff for breakfast and like had it on the table waiting for him when he got up like fruits and they live in Germany, right? So then they went to the grandparents because his I believe it's his dad loves it when like the families together. Let's not and they went out to dinner for schnitzel and spot Soul who spaetzle I'd love that and a bunch of beer right? But on the flip side the school didn't Anything like didn't have the kids know anything good Father's Day. And I guess in response to that factor, maybe just separately that guy didn't like it. Yeah. No, he didn't like the his mom or mother-in-law again. I'm not positive. It's his mom said Father's Day is not important. Anyway, like I don't know if it was in his presence in the dad's presence. I don't know but the best part is she said her kid was on his best behavior and acting great all day. And then he said at one point to his dad. The kids said if there was No Father's Day. We should invent it because you were the best daddy in the world. I love you. Oh, imagine your fucking kid said that to you. No, I can't I'm kind of trying to imagine on great. You know what I'm going to live through that comment. It's amazing, right? Imagine. Yeah. It was amazing if there was no Father's Day. We should invent it because you were the best daddy. I have some issues a probably a slightly slightly better daddy than funky fees husband. Let's be honest, but it's a nice sentiment. Yeah. You know what funky fee if you wouldn't mind or eggs because she said she was cool that if I don't know why if you wouldn't mind just start showing your kids pictures of dad and buried over here Mike over here. Just let me know. What does he think I look like Paul Rudd. That's all it just yes what I needed. I'm just what kind of rent do they know I run run is Middle ready or very low you ever seen the show dark in Germany. It's on Netflix. I heard it's fucking so good. I've heard of the casting on that show because there's three time frames. I've heard it. So awesome. And that's it's amazing the casting that they found the kids. Look it's so good. Have you watched it? I watched the whole first season. It's been a while since I don't know when the second season happening. It's fucking great on time travel. Yeah, yeah impressive subtitles. But guess what? You can read people that do not put on Dominique do not put on dubbing but like I'm American. Yeah, you don't have to read feels wrong or waste of time. Okay. So another thing you said on the thing aside from it being your favorite day of all time for it because it's nationally recognized like by the He's going to come and fucking make sure your wife gives you a cupcake if my wife a cupcake is no it may have sure she gives you one because she's under penalty of law. You must celebrate Father's Day. It's like the Hunger Games but about Father's Day. Anyway, you also said it's like Mother's Day but for dads and I don't think it is. You know why I don't think it is and we talked about this. So when I asked what moms want on Mother's Day all of them. Most of them said I want to get a hotel room by myself. I want him to take the kids away. A I want to sleep in I don't want to do anything. I want all we yes, but I want all of it will probably we could probably get away with it. But dad's asking for that because I think the implication is that like dad's maybe aren't as home as much or at least it used to be right Dad you want to spend time with their kids if we said no, I want to go to the game with my with my friends or I want to go to get some legs and eggs at the fucking stripper joint. Okay scores. Yeah, I'm gonna I'll show my friend strip joints. Fun fact what I take stairs two at a time. I'm not a fan of Joints as a to fun facts about me. Neither of those things are fun. So yeah you right taking stairs to it steps twice at it two at a time to time is just it's a couple of years ago. I was we get it I we get any new and old friend we were together and I started going upstairs because up still doing them two at a time. Yeah, man, that's one of my trademarks good old two times stair stepper. Yeah and a bit of a mouth breather. Really? I don't know nothing if you take stairs at two at a time now know you maybe it smells I'm trying to work my quads. I'm trying to work my quads. I'm just saying well, it's the size of a second of a doubleheader. I'm just saying there's a bit of a double standard where moms because they're super moms and their overloaded. It's a little bit easier for them to be like, I want a break dad seemed a little bit more like the deadbeat dads if they don't want to be with the kids on Father's Day. So I get that I get that Meme but here's what I haven't made that. Here's what I'm sure here's what I'm gonna throw up you I feel like relatively woke dad's modern dad's. It's called like that are very active are doing breakfast, but it's still and and okay, I get it. I said that Twitter effect, right? We're on Twitter you feel like there's no chance. Joe Biden is like the winning in the polls because you Twitter's an echo chamber, right and with like with the woke dad's that we know and the small group. They're pretty vocal but I still think the rest of the country lags behind, okay. So but I don't care about any of those people. I just care you don't care about Joe Biden. No, all I care about is my family. I agree with you 100% fart. And when I wake up to that never do that again, I thought to myself I just asked you nothing. I knew what the reference was. You just didn't meet you like my top. I yeah because that's it. That's all I want. I just need I just need a little I need a break. I need a break. Okay. Well we're going to get into what people do but I thought this was funny in regards to my double standard comment. Parag on Instagram said since Mother's Day is always work for mothers and meaning we still plan the events and get everyone's clothes ironed which first of all nobody irons clothes. It's 2019. Wow, people. Don't iron it. You know what I actually know hold on a sec. Can I just say something if you iron clothes, that's so badass. I my mom taught me how first time anyone has ever suggested ironing clothes was bad. I know it is. It's a very very useful skill time not saying I specially the most useful skill is if or a dress shirt a man's dress shirt is look if you don't know how to iron a man's dress shirt as a man, you're saying the most useful ironing skill not the most useful skill in general is you know, what ironing it. I'm going to walk it back and say the most useful ironing skills like you. Okay cool. But as a man, you should know how to iron a dress. You know, what this was beautiful or 2019. You don't get to Define. What makes me a man. How about that? Okay, so she said for Father's Day, I walk it Forward. He's for Father's Day. I'm getting him a Toolset, she's going to wrap some meat from the local grocer and just hand it to him get to work bitch. He's gonna love that if he wants a grill toolset unless it's like you don't Grill enough. Here's your tool set. Please don't get shit out get an oversized Grill toolset, please so dicks think there's Sporting Goods sent me a variety of things that are like this long, you know, like what the fuck and they sent me can just use regular she Longs regular kitchen tongs work Dick's Sporting Goods sent me some gear for Father's Day and they sent me. Dolphins Miami Dolphins spatula Okay, little dolphin logo. Is that because they want you to stop promoting know. Why do they I guess they should have sent me six of my home stuff. Yeah, he's the real hot ass. But no, I really am before United freshen. You know what I'm gonna I don't know if I have a crush, but I really appreciate his athleticism the way he looks at this. Speaking of guys. I'm no I would rather you didn't please if you're gonna get your dad or husband or father get back in the big tools. They don't get him big gas grill tools. They are they will destroy me. It's just it doesn't make sense. Just get him, you know, just regular Met Office army knife long metal work for long does long like metal. Kitchen. Tongs are the absolute best thing for anyway, so I asked what people do to celebrate right? So there's a mix of stuff right? There's a couple of family time peeps who want to hang out. There's a couple of I want some alone time shit and there's some random stuff. So 1031 tailor-made gets like a date weekend out of it, right little one goes to the grandparents for the weekend. We do date nights and Lounge, that's nice. But is that what is that? What that's really what Dad wants. Is that what you want? No tails wait, trust me. You're the woman in this scenario or load wife. I would imagine the mom. I'm gonna I'm gonna Infer that, that's probably helpful for the dad. I'm sure the dad really appreciates. Maybe G braunstein says we drop our kids off at summer camp every Father's Day just like the whatever the cycle there in so they must like just have like a celebration I see but that's kind of a pain than having to do. It depends on where the camp is. Yeah. It's right gonna be far. It's not I went to Camp Wampa set in Rural, Connecticut. It was not a fun experience. I didn't know they had clarinet camps up and you're trying to shame me. I'm now you know what I was a gifted musician. Okay, I had other interests. I was in Little League. Okay. What are you trying to imply? No, I'm just I just didn't know that they I took an archery and skeet and rifle shooting and I spent the first week of Sleepaway Camp unbelievably home sick and sad. Wow. Hmm well-being feeling homesick is a an Sensation that's that sometimes you gotta power through it to get what's on the to get to what's on the other side which is good times and good memories and friends that will last I don't actually remember the second week. I only remember the homesick week, but I know I recovered you. Did you not have Camp friends? I know. So what happened was is fuck you first of all, ha ha, I don't know. So what happened is she my brother was going to marry. My brother was going to Camp with one of his friends and we went to tour it I decided I wanted to go and I was only 10 and he was 13. And when we joined and he was going with a friend and I wasn't and when we joined we were in the middle of a one-month session. So everyone else had been there for two weeks bonding and being friends yujin. I join in the middle and for the and I didn't have my friend. I had my brother and his friend and they were three years older and a totally separate section of the camp during this whole thing like I would go to him and his counselors stopped letting me because I thought I was ruining my brother's experience because he was like worrying about me and we were both writing letters home. I have them I made a blog post out of it me writing letter saying I want to come. Mrs. Hell on Earth and my brother writing Mike is serious. Come pick him up at his own letters. Anyway homesick. Oh jeez. It was a very homesick until I was like 12. All right, you know, how do we get onto that? I don't know. Okay, don't drop the kids at g-protein. Thanks for the tangent. They hate my tangents its color. You know what it's what people are here for Stephanie. Kennison says same as Mother's Day just like you said, yes gift spoiled dad spend the day together unless mom wanted to go to a hotel. Which is yeah, not spending the day together. Well, that's fine. I feel like I feel like if you can the morning lots of hugs lots of cuddles and then at 8:15 sharp gotta go. Yeah. I'm out of here you go to the city field borrow them somewhere pineapple Anderson. No relation said making sure hubby knows how loved and appreciated. He is for all he does for the family. Isn't that sweet? It's not as sweet as the Thing that funky fees kid said about inventing Father's day, but it's a butts a run around right now. It's the runner-up. I'm just saying if we're doing like the sweet pineapple Anderson is a distant second, but second nonetheless. Yes, Joyce underscore. Nolan says her dad used to wear the ugliest shirt. He could find and no one was allowed to make fun of it. Weird flex but okay. Yeah, that isn't just want to have a day where i'm not being made fun of and then so what's the dynamic there? Is it your ugly assure. Well, she put ugliest in quotes meaning either which is either a trump kind of thing. That doesn't mean anything or she was just saying he puts on a funny ugly shirt like ugly Christmas sweater or something. He likes to have fun. He does. He sounds like a fun guy right? I wouldn't mind hanging out with Joyce underscore Nolan's husband who I assume is but you have to go I think Elsa underscoring we'd have to go there. I don't know where she lives traveling would be your main deterrent because yes, we know I don't know. I don't it's not the travel that I don't like it's with the kids prepping for anything. So just why don't you uh, like that is the request honey. I don't know because anything she already I already don't do anything. It's not about I like being with my kids on Father's Day. Okay, that's cool. I will meet you some keep saying I will meet you and it reminds me of a line from Um the subway book that I read to my kids. Okay. I don't know. It's the worst rhyme in the whole book. I'll meet you at 42nd Street know it's all be the one of its y'all believe in the G part ways of one point. It was the F ing part ways. And then the G says don't be sad. I will meet you again at Roosevelt Avenue and it doesn't the way the couplet breaks doesn't rhyme I swear to God it makes me so angry. I'm gonna do a story on it at some point. I don't be sad. Don't be sad. I will meet you again. Okay and Roosevelt Avenue, like why couldn't you just Tweak it. You can burn tool so it really gets me going. Yeah, it does. All right. So family time Daniel Potter Daniel M Potter loves family time. I mean, that's nice. I like spending Father's Day with my kids and wife but my goal is to not lose my shit that day. Hey, guess what? If you're spending it with your kids and wife your goal is not gonna happen if I can go Lou it. You've got come on guys get together get out of the scene. So this way you're saying alone time Phil y89. She's guessing her hubs would like a day without the kids some alone time Mobius no relation to the Mobi within an appropriate autobiography when she insinuates. He had an underage relationship with Natalie Portman. Yeah. What was that about those weird dude creepy man. He said she says day without the kids and what and wife for the hub's crucial distinction. She throws herself into the mix. Oh, she says a day without the kids and wife for the hubs. Oh, that's nice. Right? Well, that's you said Mother's Day. Well, that's like a Mother's Day what she wants to be alone. Yes. We're just as irritating. So as the kid Colleen are Wilcox says she lets her husband go golfing all day. Same shit. Nice Biz Bobby his going to see he's a dad himself. He's going to see the Yankees win in Chicago with my son. I didn't know his Bobby could tell the future. Who knows if they're going to win Biz Bobby. We that's not exactly the fucking 1920s Murderers Row here everybody calm down over the Yankees. Okay, it's fucking June early June. All right, regardless cam. That's fun to go to the baseball game with your son. It's fun until I he wants everything on the menu and then you get fucking pissed off so or until you have to go home and it's like, oh here's another hour. Yeah exactly on the subway. Yeah. Oh, but don't worry because there's tons of people that you might not get to see so some other dad's had some comments. So cynical parent is a instead of memer Instagram memer who I'm acquainted with and I didn't know until recently the cynical parent was a dad. I guess he started the account with his wife and slowly he kind of took over he what happened. No. I think she just got bored with social media and or he murder but maybe we'll have him on what's going on. He says he's ditching his wife and kid, which is suddenly sounds a little little convenient if I'm ditching. My wife is getting find a Vegas to meet with my dad, right? So there are a variety of people. Are you gonna spend the day with their dad's cool? So I have a good friend who were parents of somebody what about you whatever he know. What if I what if I what if my wife doesn't give me anything and says what you're My dad no, I live in Cal said that Lynn Kells. I meant to say that earlier said she's not getting her husband anything because he's not her father. Oh my God. What is happening? I'm sure that's a joke. Okay, I hope so. I'm sure it is. She her handle sounds good Lynn Kells. It's a real name. Okay, maybe her middle name is Kelly and so or kills so but that that Mother's Day by the way that that comment from yeah. There's the episode has resonated you. In a way that I didn't even just I've told me today Weekend Update. I've told that story of my friends and some other and people like there's no way that actually happened. Oh, yeah that people said that yeah, it did happen. And you know, so I'm sure Lynn Kells is joking Lynn. Let us know if that was a joke or if that's really how you feel. I'm assuming she listened to her other shit or she just knows that that kind of joke is in the wind in regards to Mother's Day. Yes, he picked up on it. So a good friend of mine whose kids go to school with my kid. We saw them this weekend and on Father's Day. They do something with his dad the live in Long Island on Long Island, and they do some with his dad. So they have a separate Father's Day called Super Dad desde that's devoted to him. What do you mean except? What are they what it's just another Father's Day that in the dead of him celebrating his dad and I think it's like a different weekend or something. I don't know right then they because two days overshadow, but I'm saying because he gets overshadowed by Grandpa by celebrating his own dad his family. Sure to give him his due by having a separate day for him. Wow. That's very nice extremely sweet. Right and Jenny 702 says her father is sick with stage 4 lung cancer, and she just wants to spend Father's Day sitting with him and laughing and crying hope he gets I hope she gets the chance to do that. Yeah, which that's nice. Yeah. It's a dead end right there. Okay. Well so Tiki 473 just wants silence for fighting. Yeah, don't we all it's here's the orgill I saw this and I was like, this is exactly how I feel don't care family shouldn't spend a dollar on it. I will probably watch the US Open. I'm not going to watch the US Open but I don't give a shit about Father's Day. I appreciate getting to something. There's something weird about something broken about. Yeah, like it was something that's not quite right something broken inside. Yeah that ER but don't you want to go and like hang with friends and like just what are we doing right now? Okay. Well, we're I got my cast and yeah you brought you guys about all I got left. Okay. Well, wow this really turned around from the beginning of the doing something owed. Everybody else is has Father's Day plans like with their family a lot of times. It's Father's Day is not necessarily unless you really plan it beforehand. Well, you guys know I don't plan things. How many times do I have to repeat this? All right. Well and our friends we live far afield because I know sometimes there's a baseball game. Yeah. I wasn't invited this time. What did I do to him? God damn it forgive me. There's a lot of shit. That's that's unfair. So so people Vani 7 whose name I butchered last time. Yeah. She says her husband doesn't really like that many gifts or any of the hyper father's they either don't want gifts. He loves handmade stuff cards and notes. That's great. And then they go to the movies and go bowling that's decision movie though. I kind of feel like movies. Fucking time suck in the middle of the day. Yeah, sure like and then you come out here. I like why are you later? I'm a fan of them. I know I know but four hours later what movie you seeing fucking it always seems Shawshank to go there like half an hour before and one of the most over rated films of all time and I love Shawshank Redemption, but it is not shouldn't be fucking number one or number two on IMDb or whatever. Let's get into it. Not right now. I'm saying hit me with your Shawshank takes and he crawled to foot. You don't sound like you sound like Anthony Hopkins you something like Hannibal Lecter. You don't even sound like Fred Freeman. What are you even doing? He's not British the Morgan Freeman. That's almost every damn it. Frankly. I don't give a shit. No, that was again the wrong you are just choking left. And right now that this is it so high. Oh, I was joking about needing a new calls not well have to find dead serious as they say we'll listen. Father's Day is upon us. We love you guys. We Happy Father's day before keep so I did a poll on my Instagram to ask how many people on my Instagram our dads and moms. Yeah, 14% were dad. So pass this to your dad friends. Come on send it on 14% Love to the dads out there. And yeah, so we have this like I said, we got some T-shirts It's guys but the trick is if you buy the camper mug your block from listening to any of our stuff because camping compose. I hate it. Oh my God, you're such a campus. I like it. Yeah minute Aunt identity and okay and but yeah, so I think the camera most probably not going to be ready but I think of a deer hunters not gonna be ready for the time. It's not gonna be ready for Father's day. But if you order it, it will be ready by next Father's Day. Yeah almost positive. It'll probably be ready by next Father's Day. All right. Well Happy Father's Day to everybody listen to us everywhere. Listen to our last episode discipline. Yeah. Do you like discipline? Do you lack discipline? I do. Yes. I know you do. I'm trying to do is do a little joke. Who is your daddy? And what does he do? Okay get it. Yeah, I get it. Kindergarten. Come come good fucking nailed it Arnold. That was Arnold if you didn't know. Okay, I'm new Personnel, right? All right. All right. Can we just let these poor people go by a man riding High. Let's do a third know. What's next? All right. We you got you got podcast like fever yet few really Crush that one, right? Yeah. I really all right. Hopefully keep this energy going next week. Okay. Thanks and Happy Father's Day.

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Very excited to actually get to talk about him guys. Welcome Saturday Night Live after show. My name is Amy maestri this The over here those steps are bra. Hey, Amy is our in-house comedian also sketch writer. So during her special segment. She does the best thing ever. It's called anatomy of the sketchy breaks it down and the eyes of a true comedian and I just watch and think about how I'm going to propose to her in the future. Well, yeah, that's typically how yeah, so I'm expecting pretty elaborate things from The Proposal just so you know, and Steph is our in-house comedy connoisseur social justice. Warrior badass Queen if you didn't see our episode last week she dropped bars on how dope lizzo is so everyone should go on ahead to know her today. So if you could retweet that, that'd be great. Thanks. Yeah, so please do please do so. We are going to break down every sketch of the evening from this episode which was of course Adam Driver with musical guest Halsey where you be talking about each one of the sketches will talk about the musical performances and Weekend Update and like stuff settle do our special segment, which is the anatomy of a sketch where we will get to We'll break down one of the sketches talk about what worked in it kind of all the formats and the devices that they used in it and stuff. My I don't know she might do like there might be something about news. Maybe she might have some gossip. I don't know maybe like very low energy stuff. Yeah. I have no energy or just gonna keep it out of love and one fry so expectations going into this episode Adam Driver. This was his third. Yes time hosting. Obviously. You're a fan from from our opening. Yeah, you guys might not know this about me, but I'm a rider Dy Star Wars fan as well. I host the Star Wars new show at our sister Network popcorn talk Thursday 4:00 p.m. PST. Anyways, yes, big Adam Driver fan actually huge Adam Driver SNL hosting fan. He has some of my favorite sketches as a guest host which surprised me when he was first coming on to the scene because he's kind of exploded and just a past few years and every the past two times. Literally the last one I think in 2016. I loved in the Undercover Boss. I'm so glad they brought back. Yes. I feel like they're doing a good job for him it being his third time hosting and pretty short period of time because he did kind of, you know, really blow up a lot over the past few years and bringing in new fresh stuff for him and still really playing to his wheelhouse bringing back some of those characters that he's already done. Like I feel like they're giving him a good mix of things and they're throwing a lot of good stuff out and which you always want to see when you have a host that that's you know, that's Strong so let's just jump in. Let's talk about the cold open. I feel like this is what we're always talking about. They literally took it from in a normal setting to a crazy setting which is so great because it's just it gets stale it gets repetitive when we just see them in the Oval Office and you know it the debate sketches are obviously a different game, but I thought this was a lot of fun just taking it to that insane place. What were your thoughts about the the cold open so good. I love the play on the devil because let's be real what these people are doing and kind of how we're brushing crimes under the rug in the name of keeping someone in office is like you're straight from Haiti. So you can't tell me anything else. And so I thought Kate McKinnon did such a good job of being the devil and I mean, I guess the devil could be a woman. I just feel like if God has a sexy she would be a woman. I don't believe that either but Kate McKinnon can play at all. That's true. Yeah, just like will just give a pass to anything because it's Kate and then we had Jon Lovitz come into play Alan dershowitz, which was a great little surprise. I think they messed up his cue cards a few times, but I still I you just gotta love his voice. Yeah, I'll just listen to him all yeah, they want it hard on the Epstein Jokes, which I appreciated. I was like they're just coming in with fire right now. This is what I love about comedy and why it must be protected. See that all cost because they say it how it is. I think oftentimes we have become a society where people who run like their ethics by morals and their decisions and their opinions through kind of a moral compass feel. Shy to say things how it is and they're like, oh it's too taboo. I don't want to cause controversy and some obscene was a criminal. Yeah like a fierce criminal Predator go on. Him. Yeah, and they did that and I loved it. Exactly. Yeah, like whenever there's a joke made it a Predators expense. No one should be going and they do stuff is actually not allowed in the audience that S&L because never there's been a predator joke. She is charged the stage chanting and cheering for them. Yes protector of women stuffs her bra so broad 2020. Oh, I'm already. For yesterday already wrote it I was a write-in ballot. I'm taking all the people of color all the women and all the white men like Jeff who support us. Yeah me Jeff grams our producer in the booth. What up, Jeff? Hey, sorry guys. I'm let's just roll with the buttons, but I'm here and I'm on that. I'm on this abroad rain. I think he was a little nervous at first. He's like, I don't think I'm gonna go around the tree anybody like I know I've been invited on the train, but of all the voices that need to be heard. I'm still low on the list so no but yes, okay. I'm in there we go, all-inclusive all inclusive. But yeah, the cold open was super strong. I love Beck's Mitch McConnell. It's always so creepy and so spot-on and Cecily is Susan Collins is great everyone in the cold open. I thought that it was great that they just kind of came with fire right off the bat and then we jumped into the monologue. What a good proper monologue. Just him up there doing his thing owning the space owning the stage. So confident so comfortable. I thought the writing was funny. But man he just this is only going to work for someone like him who so confident and who can just go up there and own the stage and own a bit like this where you do have to let it breathe and take beats and just kind of let it be weird. So I absolutely loved it. What about you another fellow Adam Driver fan. I loved Adam drivers monologue. I thought it played to his skill set perfectly and he just he focused on his characteristics that I think everyone's so interested about like how he like you would assume he could be a little bit rude or just a little bit short, but I loved I loved it. I loved it. I will see my favorite part about this monologue ever was when he started taking up time and he actually said I don't know if it's transfer. He's like I what'd he say, sorry. He kept going and then he made a little know. He said I don't know if it's transphobic or just really dated and that was about he was trying to take up time so that he didn't have to do the last Stitch of the night. It's unconfirmed if that's actually what happened. But if it is that is such the energy that I need and I haven't seen that since Don cheadle's episode where he wore a shirt that said protect trans kids in that was awesome. So both of them can definitely join this abroad 2020 ride. Yes. I think they're already out on the Campaign Trail right now, they're painting the sides that tour bus as we speak the best totally agreed. I feel like a lot of his jokes were they reminded me of Ellen DeGeneres stand up like random observational just when he started to hit that middle section of like, I don't know. Let's see what else what else and hitting these kind of like weird quirky random observations. It reminded me of like very much Ellen DeGeneres, but like weirder, but I just I enjoyed him so much and he just sets the the show off on such a good tone. I also just love that this And just like this happened on national TV live. He's so funny. We get the way that he just walked back into frame. I am a sucker for someone just awkwardly walking into frame as they stare at the camera such a mood. Is that how supposed to say? Yeah, exactly. It's very much a mood Jeff. I love it. So the the First Catch of the night after this we're going to save for our special segment. So we will be talking about that at the end of the show. Which is actually great because we can jump right in to your boy. Kylo Ren back for another Undercover Boss. It was so good Amy. It was so good. I I loved it because the people who work for kylo Ren in Star Wars are the exact same where they are just complete numchucks. I am and I loved how they played with it. And I actually love that. They didn't do a spoiler at all. They just started where they left off, which was really Smart because I don't know if people live under a rock like Jeff Graham who haven't seen the last Star Wars it would suck if an SNL sketch was the reason why I got ruined so I can I can confidently let you know that it there's no information about what happens. Yeah. They do a good job of just kind of taking you right up to there and then just leaving it. I loved the first time they did this back at Bobby Moynihan was a standout in that the last time they did it and in this everyone's reactions to him and I like the fact that they just call it out this time there. Like that new interns kylo Ren right just going right in for it. But oh man, Adam drivers timing. It is brilliant. Yeah, he was he was made for this kind of humor. And so it's just so perfect putting him in that weird dark intense place that letting him just go on these really fun comedic beats the whole time and he killed Chloe about All right, P. She hurt Chloe this episode. She did she did. Yeah, it was good seeing her on there a little bit more until she was stabbed a lightsaber. Mine. That's a good way to go. That's how you know, what if you're gonna go might as well be by kylo Ren stabbing you with a lightsaber. Why not exactly which of course led to the great line at the end of him just being like well, I think it went okay cuz I made for friends and I only killed one of them very kylo Ren then from creepy kylo Ren in turn to creepy director for a Del Taco commercial. My dad's just as weird. What were your thoughts on this Del Taco commercials so weird. I okay. It's one of those things that I don't love repetitive humor. It works. Sometimes you see it with Family Guy and American Dad. They have that same style would they'll repeat a line over and over again until it gets funny and that did happen but it is really aggressive form of Comedy that I thought it was a really good combo between him back and Kyle. Yeah, I think you do. Oddly enough. I think the repetitive nature of it was my least favorite part, which is kind of like the whole bit but I just loved the weird intensity from Adam Driver of just to him just yelling all the time. Like well now you look like a pervert like just these random observations guy take his pants down and gyrate into the air and I think just the idea of someone being bad intense as a director for a Del Taco commercial and seeing no difference in the delivery the line delivery. Of him just being so weird just being like well, you don't want to kill yourself. You just want to talk. Okay, there's no difference between any of the lines so this is such a weird sketch but it was it was quick it moved. Well, and I think everyone's performance has made it work really well and speaking of Chloe. I don't know if they even intended to do that wide shot when they pulled out and you just see Chloe look standing and yeah laughing staring straight ahead. I think it was intended to but it almost looks like it might not have been too but I still enjoyed it either way side note if you're watching us right now. We love you. Thank you for tuning in with us live. We are live Tuesdays at 5 p.m. PST. Make sure to hit that like button leave us a comment after you're finished watching this video so we can keep the convo going if you're listening to us on Apple podcast or Spotify. Give us those five stars leave us a review those are extra feisty and spicy and you know, we love that. We love the feisty and spicy love it. That's what everyone calls us Finance. Duh, I think are using our new spice reeling over three decades. Everyone should know this common knowledge Google it Google someone put it on Wikipedia now put it on my Wiki be so let's talk about this PBS PDS kids sketch the science room. So another recurring for Adam Driver, which is just it's so great seeing him be so angry with children. I'm just going to say a relatable. What a great idea for a sketch though of this science guy who has to deal with stupid kids. Okay, but also not so stupid Cecily brings up a fair point. I luckily have not struggled with this issue that much in my lifetime. However, it is so interesting to think about women or adults talking about their sex lives and the areas that men and women can improve in particularly men. Are a little bit behind on some things but but having a kid interpreted a I think it's so good. A lot of they went with that but her and Mikey is kids are great. I feel like I'm always right feel like the gold standard of playing a child on SNL is Gilda Radner because she oh my God, she just played little kids so well and I feel like they're living. Well, they both do a really good job. Yeah. She's like a master class in that. I think if you there's no way Kristen Wiig for Gilly didn't Buddy Gilda's characters exactly. I think everyone should study Gilda scarcity good that I will never do character when I just I really enjoyed this again flowed. Well, I'll say all night the sketches there wasn't one that I felt like went too long, which is rare. I have to say, I'm so happy that I genuinely enjoyed this episode. Obviously Eddie Murphy. I was cracking up that was like true SNL Glory of really laughing every sketch, but I liked Very single sketch they did. Yeah. Yeah, they all seem like they were good length. They flowed. Well like something hit in every single one. And in this one I still I love whenever someone calls attention to something weird going on in a sketch. You can't always do it and get away with it. But in this after having that conversation about who comes first and Adam Driver who's just like this was an awful conversation, sometimes when you have that person to just call attention to it. It makes it even funnier when done in the right way. A is and I feel like they did it the right way. Yeah. Yeah. I know who did it in the chat. What up said I'm going to scream the c-word into my shirt and three two one such a good ending to that Sky great ending. That's a good ending another a night of good ending. Yeah where they had good strong buttons to end out all the changes sex life have good endings as well because I know that's what this sketch was trying to tell you all at home. I hope that Cecily's character is listening that she knows there is hope you deserve You deserve to finish happy. I am a champion of women. That's just all the rest of the show's gonna be it's gonna be it's just I'm gonna shouting microphone and I am into it. This is because speaking of feminism. Let's talk about this R&B song slow that does not end. Well for the ladies we got to see Halsey jump into this. I know I was hoping to see her in sketches because she's great in sketches. We got to see her in this one. What did you think of this? I just want to take a leap of faith and say I feel like Adam Driver asked to be the most giving partner because there's no way it's a coincidence that we have this when he sketches being like men do your job you do your job and do it better than you're doing now because there is issues and yeah, I just thought that it was a really funny premise. I love that. He got the relief. Voice really gave me some Keanu Reeves Vibes and now maybe yeah, I see it but I liked it. I think every time they went to him. He knows how to milk a laugh too because he knows what that voice sounds like so he was matching everything so well for his face for his body language everything about it. And then of course, you know at the end that one second goes by and those boys were out of it hurts. So maybe Cecily's character was right. Maybe I think your sister was saying is, you know, it's true true true. The boys in the slow music video anyways, yes, but yeah, I love Hall C II think she's such a gem and she is that a good pivot. Oh my god. Let's do pivot to this musical for yeah. Okay. Can I just say what a comma for Halsey, you know my issue with her lot not the last performance, but she went from to two times before when she was on SNL. She was her first time Musical. Being a musical performer for SNL. She had brought on G-Eazy at the time. They had a hit song on and they were all so madly in love. I did not love that choice of hers because it was it's such a big moment to be on SNL and I just don't think that he would have shared the stage with her and I think she deserved it in all its Glory. Luckily the universe works for good people. She was able to come back she hosted and performed and then this time to see her back with her new album that just it was released and had two songs one was a complete dig at him and she just looked stunning sounded stunning is such a come up. Yeah. Yeah Halsey. Oh my God. Yes. Thank you. And even in the second time that she performed she got to do the same and come out of him and one of those songs because I agree like especially at that time when she came on to do that song with him. She had so many Standalone fire. So yeah, but she did not have to do that one. And yeah, you're right like you think geez, he's like, yeah. I'll see come on a new show. With me and no well, maybe because she's more famous than yeah, but but still no but no she I'm just I love everything about her style her voice what she stands for which she speaks to this new album. If you guys haven't heard it who it's really good. It is really really good. It's very like I like that. She can do a range of everything. Yeah. She's having a Lady Gaga. What was her album Joanne Joanne moment. Yes, totally. This is like it's a very different but still the album, which is cool. And yeah, I I love both of her performances. I like that. She always has fun with her performances on us and I'll II like the staging everything was first starts on a bull. I mean come on, it's gangster and the words of Paris Hilton that's hot and in the words of Colin Jost. I don't know. Let's talk about Weekend Update. Did you have any favorite jokes before we get into the characters? I put I loved when Colin Jost couldn't finish the joke because I think he's gonna drop the r-word, right? Yeah, that's where they're I'm seem to be going. I'm totally for you not saying that he's very glad he didn't say Put That Woman probably because he was like I would have said yeah. I'm glad they refrained from is so funny. How bias the crowd is towards Jos though? Yeah, or maybe I don't know. Maybe they just don't find Chaz funny but Chase humor is different than the typical office and I'll fan I would say yeah, and I think he plays into it so much now it's almost become a game between him and the audience of him just being like hey, did I get you? Yeah, and I'm just kind of giving those reactions so that he's kind of feeding into it too. So I almost feel like it's like a tennis match between him and the audience now, And do you ever need great ones? I loved just and it wasn't even the the punchline but just just description of Mitch McConnell saying Mitch McConnell seen here calmly watching an orphanage burn just because it was spot-on to the way his creepy ass face. Always has the best Mitch McConnell one. He does the way that he describes how he looks or like what he's looking at? No, I loved that and I loved the just shape probably caught shit for this one too, but I just liked his delivery on. The into two hundred fifty Seven Years women will finally receive the same pay as men. So just like calm down. Yeah. Just hold on be a little patience. Absolutely. It's only two hundred fifty Seven Years side note that the win Michael Che made the joke about the World War Two hero. His name was Doris Miller the family actually. Okay. So the joke was the US Navy has for the Time ever named an aircraft carrier in honor of an African American sailor. He must have been pretty brave joining the Navy not knowing how to swim the ship will be called the USS guy from The Village People. His family was not so happy with that and they replied his great-nephew Miller's great-nephew said we watched in horror and disbelief at the level of insensitivity and racist undertones. In addition to have a black American doing the segment does not provide a pass to the end. Appropriateness of the segment sadly the writers and producers are most likely not aware of the historical actions of a national hero that could have been Googled. Yes yikes Jaden just reforming he wrote that yeah. I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Yeah where you're just like when it's someone who's like a war hero. I'm just gonna back away. I am all for I Don't like to tell a group that is the group involved what to be offended about because it's affecting you in a way. I can't understand. So I respect that but I will say it wasn't about him being a veteran and a hero. It was more about black people The Stereotype that they can't swim. Yeah. Yeah. It was very much. I mean like it's those types of tropes that like sometimes yeah, they're kind of like played out with certain things. I've just like, okay joke about black. People not being able to swim or you know, things like that or like I know they go go hard like during winter Olympics on stuff do like that. Those kinds of jokes are like very stereotypical but also, yeah, it's like one of those things where you don't want to tell that other group that like don't worry about it, but you're also still like but it wasn't directed after yeah. I don't know what I'm allowed to stop talking to you guys. And if we all want to feel better about ourselves, I think the funniest line from this was actually a Direct quote from our President Donald Trump saying he does good at Rockets about Elon Musk and then went up to say we have to protect our Geniuses like Thomas Edison, you know, the guy who died in 1931, so we should all feel pretty okay about ourselves as human weird God if you guys let Thomas Edison die under my watch I will literally off myself. It's all Nancy Pelosi's fault. She let Thomas Edison's I lie. The extreme left wings wings s the wing is now you know, what Obama he did, it's Obama. You killed Thomas Edison. How dare how dare they can't believe that's actually a resume that I like choked when I'm gonna just some of the life was choked out of me when I heard that oh god. Let's talk about 80 Bryant because we need something good in our lives right now. So this is a recurring character. This one wasn't one of my favorites from her. Her delivery still makes me laugh too hard. I think yeah, there wasn't a lot of one-liners but the next one let's let's just talk about some white male rage. Let's take a second. Would you have the wine again this week? We need some wine for the wish we had some wine for them. It's good that we need a shot of tequila. Yes. We need to Kela because our girl is back Melissa Villasenor baby. I was so happy to see her. Ending on Twitter and that's so many people really resonated with that sketch because that's exactly the point of comedy and US analysis to really have that bridge between current events politics and comedy. Yeah and seeing her come back to do like of course all we can think about when she came out to do like Awards season stuff. Last year was her Lady Gaga impression when she sings shallow and the world broke because of how good it was and this like she matched it. No, it wasn't an impression that just Do you like give you Goosebumps but it was so on point such a strong narrative. And so true Oscar's love a pissed-off white dude. They love it. They love to see it. I loved all the specifics that she gave. It was a catchy song. I had it in my head the rest the day after I watched any to and I liked how even at the end. They didn't she just got to sneak in like how great Little Women was that Greta Gerwig got snubs so good because it was really good. Yeah guys, and I know all the girls Girls out there including myself you all resonated with Joe. So let's go. There's a ronin is Joe for that P is the Joe that I've been wanting since I was a little girl who read that book. Oh 100% I actually I love that movie so much Greta Gerwig champ. I'm glad that she gave her credit in my way. Thank you Melissa Villasenor cuz she did a hell of a job and I would also argue that they should have snuck in luang as well for a snob in this song because my goodness, I don't want to get too into this, but I just want to Say Lulu Wang bless you that movie made me weep like a baby from beginning to end. Yeah, like it's we're off the rails guys forget us and now we're just gonna talk about female directors the rest of the show, but no, I love the shoes able to sneak that in there and it just made me think of luang to because those are the two that I was really like damn it. I know what neither of them are white men who get very angry and write movies about white men getting angry. So by from the Oscars I Felicia see you never let talk about the medieval times. Have you been to one of these? Yes, yes, and I will never go back because the where do they Outsource those turkey legs? It's very scarring, but I thought this was so funny so la but you having these actors so in character and it's like bro, your yoga teacher or like you're something that you should be applying your job to this position, but you are yes, and also damn Adam Driver. That look I don't know his homemade costume those working who's working with Morrissey platonic. Let me stay platonic. You're trying you're trying to be good. I'm not it's okay. Oh my gosh. She had the way that and again that intensity he is so he's an angry white male. There we go. He plays that that comedic lie, so well because he commits so hard to the character and I could totally buy him as some dude who yeah is like a yoga teacher something but acts on the side took a Class 1 time 3 years ago and thinks he has to go off script on this epic character that he's created in his head. That was not even given to of even Mike. He's like, no you're not that's not what happened. Is it adding the element of him being like so within the time period that he was also horribly racist everyone to called. He called him the Mongolian bow and just yells now and runs off stage. That's like those beats that are just like they add that next level of yeah, because Guy who's so into this character? Probably would just be like, oh, yeah, it's a timepiece. It's during this era. I'm really fully going forward and going method on this you're so right and the Clincher for me was at the end saying I'm sag-aftra eligible. Just proving the sceeto is about to Hawaii. So good again. Great button for the end of the sketch. Did you have any other sketches on our thoughts on the Medieval Times? No, I really don't want my computer to die so I can stick with y'all in the chat. But go on we're gonna power through and stick with you guys the cheer sketch. Have you been watching too or no? But I the the intro was exactly what I feel I should have had. Yeah. Did you guys have did you watch chair? Did you watch Sharon? No, not yet. But we are AfterBuzz TV, you know where the ESPN MTV dog? So this entire building has been buzzing about your just like that for weeks. Yeah, and I think I already knew they were psychos like yeah the rich Sports where you need a lot of money to participate just feel psychologically. Yeah, ice skating. Yeah competitive dance all that know stuff is that's not for staff. Yeah, they're fantastic sigh I got put on time out when I was in my first gym class and I look from then on out. I've always said if you're someone who's like really into horses, I'm just like suspicious of you just like, you know, like one of people whereas another No, I'm not going to make any judgments but maybe quietly and in my head. Oh no a hundred percent. I saw that girl the other day at the store who wasn't a hundred percent came from riding a horse in like her pants and boots and I was just like I was she a bitch. I was just glaring at him. Don't know why and I think there we go. Jeff grams. Hold it there. Just thank you job trustworthy. Okay point. We're all like meet someone like they just like seem like a horse person. That's the only way I can describe it is like the best Passive shade. I think they ride horses. That's like my brand. Yeah, everyone's confused and slightly offended, but they don't know why and that's I think that the cheer folks their horror. They might be horse people as well. It was a really funny sketch. I thought that Chloe did an amazing job with you - she came in and I just love how each of their body parts with melted and deteriorating and just under no condition to perform anything. Yes, but if You pray on it Praise. Jesus, praise me. It'll be just fine. No that brings me back to righteous. Gemstone. Oh, yeah, we do the righteous gemstone show together and whole boy did we have a fun time doing basically an SNL sketch every week. So you should watch that Praise Jesus. She's Praise Jesus for the marriage of these ketchup bottles. Okay. This was definitely written by someone who had been smoking the entire Seth Rogen cane and studio and was like, listen, let's do play off my movie. Because this is funny. Yes. I at first I was just like what and I just started enjoying it so much because they were just so committed and they were so serious and it was literally just like a soap opera with ketchup bottle. Yeah, and I'm into that but honestly, let's talk about the realness that is the mix of ketchup and Cholula its unmatched. They do need to make that a thing that you can just buy because I'm always like putting it in and mixing it. I don't mind because I'm a witch and I'm used to mixing things but it gets annoying obviously. Well, you know, maybe this gave it the platform that it need. Yeah. You're right. You're right. Let's hope let's pray on it. Y'all let's do the special segment. Yes, talk about an anatomy of a sketch. We're going to take it back to the first sketch where it was just about a sleepover at first it started off in a way that I said like, oh God. This is the first of the night. It's really gonna be a schedule button awkward dad. Talking about a girl who had her period at a party like At first was a little at down and then they started to get really into it really quickly of know. This is going to be about escalation. It's going to be about an embarrassing situation that literally could have been any embarrassing situation that you could experience as a child whether you're a boy or a girl anything and then making it so clear that you need to cover it up and then it gets higher and higher and higher this was a master class in escalation. And we understood where everyone was at why they're there who everyone is right away as it starts. It starts really grounded with the idea of a pad was flushed down the toilet and then someone tried to cover it with toilet paper and you know, like normal things and then he's like, but then they also put duct tape over it and there is water going into the electrical sockets and that's when it started to get crazy. And you knew that the floodgates were just going to open from there the timing of Meghan coming in of Kate McKinnon coming and what the hell It's like half electrocuted the wet clothes her entrance was the perfect time because it was right as you're starting to think like they're not showing the girls. I wonder how we're going to find out who did it or where this is going and that Megan comes in with her hair to the side great timing for her entrance. She kind of reminded me of Melissa McCarthy characters kind of in that of her just being like Mom and that's that's sick. That's sick, man. So from there it got so crazy and so here are the best moments of escalation it went from those normal things to they had to soak it up with water with coats. Try to nail the bathroom door. Shut paint it over the handle. So no one would know those door tried to order a new toilet on Amazon Prime and G chatted someone's called someone named Megan's mom saying it happened again like that time at church, but worse. So again, it went from normal. Someone tried to cover it up with toilet paper to try to buy a new toilet after painting over a door handle. So no one could know. A door, they took it to such crazy extremes and then added this element of Megan also having a six-year plan of how she's going to marry the hot dad. So all around it so many different elements that play her callback moments to Mark Harmon continuously mentioning him. So they used so many great sketch devices while it was still a master class in escalation and raising the stakes and then of course it ends with an I am Spartacus moment of them all taking blame except for Megan only for the house to blow up. Up because what else can you do at the end of an escalation sketch but blow it all up and Burn It To The Ground I loved it. It started as a sketch. I wasn't sure about and it ended up being one of my favorites of the night dude guess retweet false and absolutely love this. Sketch. I'm driver is the hot dad and I thought Kate McKinnon was so good in this sketch. I love when she gets raunchy like that. Yes, she just goes for it. And then so at last I don't know if we have a Bit of a little news. It's not just a little bit Amy. This is right. Welcome to the newest report of breaking news brought to you by subdiver on AfterBuzz TV this last Sunday was the Grammys and we saw Ariana Grande perform. Why does Ariana Grande matter? Number one? She is Ariana Grande number two. She is SNL cast member Pete Davidson's ex who they were actually engaged to now Ariana Grande perform. Thank you next with which would notoriously mention all of her exes including Pete Davidson who she had just broken off an engagement. Quit now where did the shade come I'll tell you when she took off her engagement ring. Threw it on the bed and laugh like the cute which she is almost just used another word. Did I just put this in just to talk about Ariana Grande? Absolutely, but I have another piece of news for you. Our very own Leslie Jones came out with her Netflix comedy special time machine and I have to say it's excuse my language fucking breaking news breaking news. That's when a Breaking News segment. Thank you so much. Also, shrill dropped on Friday. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes season 2 shrill everyone watch it. Everyone prays 80 Bryant every chance you get every day in your lives. Very good. Thank you. Jeff very overlooked but wonderful show. Yes. Yes agreed agreed. I believe my I crushed that in a day less. I'm so excited for this one. And so excited for next week on February 1st. We have JJ Watt and Luke Combs. So we'll see when they have the token athlete of the year, but here coming on decimal how he does. So Stephen steps, I to look about him. He's a football player. Apparently he does. He does the footballs. So we're gonna enjoy that magic next week stuff. Where can we find you? Yeah. Thanks, prove me wrong prove me wrong. I'm steps around. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter. Dad stuffs her bra much. Love y'all. I'm a maester. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter at Amy maestri. We'll both talk to you about football obvious. Yeah, who's Sports? See you next week our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. 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Coming off an extremely successful past year with starring roles in Marriage Story and The Rise of Skywalker, Driver came back as host stronger than ever. We were happy to see there was a few recurring sketches of his including, "Undercover Boss" and "The Science Room." There were some other notable new sketches including "Sleepover" and "Marrying Ketchups." Weekend Update delivered another great segment, with the highlight coming from Melissa Villasenor's Oscars song "White Male Rage." Don't worry if that song is still stuck in your head because....same. Lastly, Halsey made her return and killed it. She performed two songs off of her new album and even made an appearance in a few sketches! Safe to say, she's quickly becoming an SNL go-to. Hosts @AmyMaestri & @StephSabraw break down Adam Driver's third successful SNL episode as host and this time with Halsey as special guest. Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

episode 55 money dates with Yael chesh of Jewish Latin princess Welcome to the first year married podcast where we get real about building the marriage of your dream. I'm marriage Coach Cal 11 and I take newly married and engaged women from anxious insecure too confident and connected through practical tips real-life inspiration and more than a little self awareness along the way. Hi there. Ladies. We have an interview today. I am so excited to share this one with you. I was recently a co-host with my friend and colleague get out Rush on her podcast, which is called Jewish Latin princess and during that podcast. We were taking listener questions people had sent in questions to her and I was just there to help facilitate the conversation. So one of her listeners asked her to talk more about this concept that she had discussed in a podcast called money. And immediately after we finish and I heard her answer. I was like stop it. I'll you have got to come on here and talk to my lady's about money dates. This is such a fabulous idea. She articulates it so clearly and I think this is something that a lot of us could really use I'm speaking to myself here very much. So if you're anything like I was as a newlywed you might even know a lot about money, especially in theory, right? I personally had an amazing personal finance class in high school. So I know that that's very unusual and I also started working. At a very young age, but you might not have a ton of experience, especially when it comes to setting long-term goals, like retirement and investing and for sure not with managing your money with another person. So I'm super excited to have you out on I know that no matter where you are with your money. You're going to gain something from this conversation today. I'll has this background in finance earning her ba in economics and international relations from Tufts University and an MBA from New York University's so she's got her credentials right there today. She's a writer a Cast host an international speaker who's passionate about financial literacy and women's relationship with money. Welcome. Yell. It's so great to be here Kayla. Thank you so much for being on I love this topic. So amazing. I know when you get the topic that you love you could just go forever, right? It's like right it's easy and fun. It's also so relevant for your audience. So it's just so smart of you to provide this space in this platform for us to have this conversation. So glad because this I could not give this material over myself. I do not have the background that you have and I don't have the experience you have and I don't do money dates. So so let's start there. Could you give us just to start off a bird's-eye view for people who don't listen to your podcast to understand. What is the money date? Sure. So before I Define it, I went to paint a picture for you and tell me if this Rings familiar or true in your life. This is something that you're familiar with. Okay. Let's say you are setting up dinner you're prepping for dinner. Your oldest is sitting at Table doing homework your toddler is I don't know on the high chair. There's a pending email that you know, you have to send to a client that's really top of mind and you're also kind of like drafting that in your brain as you're getting dinner on the table and all of a sudden you get a text from your husband or your husband walks by the kitchen and mentions something about the credit card or you remember something or you get a call that's has to do with money and you snap at your husband or he snaps at you or even doesn't have to be snapped just a passing comment, right and within five minutes this turns into some sort of argument and there's tension in the room and you're like what just happened here. Is it sound true ever happened to you? Yeah for sure. Right. So there's there's tends to be in marriage and this might be you know, your audience is as newlywed in the first year of marriage. It's a time when we haven't kind of learned yet how to communicate around an area of life that not many of us were taught how to even think about letting On communicate, right? And so it might happen that whenever you have a conversation around money it just it it becomes volatile or there's tension and some people might even avoid it altogether. So what the concept of a money date is is striving to avoid the volatility and trying to create good communication. So it's basically an appointment with your spouse where you're going to talk intimately openly and respectfully. About something that tends to be emotionally charged your financial life money. So it's giving you guys the space and the time to enhance your communication skills around that area giving you the opportunity to actually understand each other's views and concerns or habits and upbringing around money ensuring that you're both involved in the Practical processes and decisions of money and making talking about money something almost fun and normal and and Like easing the tension, so that's that's kind of where we want to get with. This money date concept is rather than just leaving these conversations to happen kind of haphazardly and you know the wrong time just setting up the space on the time for them to happen in a healthier way, you know, yeah. Well I would have really appreciated this information about 10 years ago rights just meet you. Yeah, but just the way you're describing and I know when we went into our marriage I had a lot of Attention and a lot of like I've got freaked out about money so easily and my husband really wasn't that way and I think you know over time we had enough conversations and the this was a thing that we were comfortable talking about a bit so I was able to share with him. But right now just knowing just the way you're describing it this kind of like, yes, we do all come from different backgrounds and some of us have more tension and some of us have less and we have different attitudes and philosophies, but you can get to this place where this you know, I'm hearing you say you can get to a place where this is. Kind of fun and its eggs intentional. It's not reactionary. Yes. It's intentional and also going to believe you on this. I'm gonna believe yeah, that's where we can get. You're going to have to prove it to you showin out how because it's your painting a beautiful picture here. Well, you know what happens is a money is a huge part of everybody's life and all the more so of a marriage right? There's one in every marriage. There's going to be financial decisions that will have to be made and you want your marriage to be a full-on partnership. I don't want it to be a partnership in all other areas, but then the financial life is just like kind of weak over there. You want to bring that along you want to be full Partners in all of this? So that's that's the idea amazing. I love it. There's such a spectrum just there in terms of our partnership right like something will come into a marriage and they're like, well, I'm going to have my bank account and you're going to have yours and you know, maybe they've been working longer and they've been used to being in charge of their money. And then right there's marriage coaches out there who say, you know, what give him control of all the money And be in control because that's going to show that you respect him and that's going to let him be the man and you know, there's like a whole philosophy behind that and I think you're coming somewhere in the middle. How do people know? What's the healthy balance? What's the what's a good place to be and what how much of this is personal and how much of this is there is a right answer here. I love this question because the answer to your question is and how are we going to know? First of all, it's very personal. There's no right answer that, you know something a your planner or me is going to tell you this is the way you have to do it. No personal finance is personal, but it's the personal and finance very it right. So it is very personal but precisely because of this is that the money date is very important because the money data we could get into this now or a little bit later but the money date the way the way I like to teach it is not just about the numbers but there's there's the actions the financial actions that we're going to take You know who's going to pay the bills Who's Gonna Keep the tax for the records for the taxes who is going to you know, setting up all the accounts for retirement this or that or college savings, whatever it might be there's and setting up goals. But before even before that, there's a step that is called awareness even getting to know your partner getting to know your spouse, you know, kind of like dating them and in the process also getting to know yourself because there's a lot of things About ourselves and how we think and behave about money that we don't really know we kind of operate by default, but we never really sat down and thought Oh, I behave that way because a lot of things that happen to me my childhood kind of made me shape this, you know my mind in this in this way, right? So there's a lot of the understanding that has to come especially this is especially relevant to your audience because they're getting to know each other still. It's a beginning so like you said before, you know, you came with your own. Sets of boobies and your husband was slightly different and you've got came to a point where you learn how to communicate around that and you know form your own unified voice, but if we don't have that communication that we can't even get to that place smoothly. I would say of deciding whether we're going to be more comfortable with having separate bank accounts or one joint account or two separate bank accounts, but one but a third one that is for the both of us, you know, there's all these practical Decisions that I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. I have my preferred way, but it's because that's what my husband and I are comfortable with having now that we know each other now that we've discussed how we think about money how we feel about money. What our goals are what our values are. So this is an excellent question. I think I love about this is what you're saying is like it's not we're not deciding on what we want to look like and then telling our husbands we're going and really with just an exploration in the beginning. That's what you're Right like at the Bix actually at the Peak at the very beginning. We want to explore how we are around money. We don't know that we don't know that yet. Right and we want to kind of connect the dots between the past and the present, you know, and you know, we both were both in this marriage are going to have stories that were pivotal and we're both coming with family relationships that shaped us the role that our parents had with the money. That's what we absorb. That's what we observed and we might be just mimicking. In that by default, but we might want to change that and that's okay, but we have to have those conversations. So I always like to tell people that the first few money dates the first two three, maybe even four should be focused on these areas and I could I could share with your listeners some type of problems and things of the conversations they could have so that they can you know, they could make it easier because because the emotional part I Think It's Tricky for a lot of people right? So they know, you know, there's there's a whole month. Story that we come with in a marriage and especially like you mentioned some people can married later in life. So, you know, they have a longer experience and you know, so there's a lot that we bring that we want to uncover for ourselves. And in order to then build from there. Okay, great. Okay, so I hear that there's a lot of different phases but I can imagine that people are already wanting to get a little bit more of a picture of the how so can sort of paint for us. Like what is the structure of a money day and then maybe we'll go into all these different phases of What were what were developing over the course of those? Right? Right, right. So how do we do the money date? So the first thing that I like to tell listeners is to schedule it regularly. That's the most important thing. It has to be something that's scheduled in both your calendars and it has to be a regular occurrence again, there's no right or wrong or I recommend to do it at the very least once a month. I personally do it weekly. However, we've gotten to a point and a rhythm that we can go to twice a month. Instead of four times a month and you know, but it just there has to be a regular. It has to be like a regular conversation that happens so weekly twice a month or at the very least once a month make it a regular thing that you and your husband do it schedule and their your calendars now related to that is the second part which is too limited. We don't might one of you might be able to do spreadsheets or talk emotions, you know till 2:00 in the morning, but we don't want to do that. We want to cap it, you know 32 1 An hour max 30 minutes to 1 hour max. That's it. The the next time we'll take it. You know, we'll take it from where we left off. But we want to still be alert. We still want to you know cover what needs to be covered and be productive and not overburden ourselves with this is supposed to be helping us not being just another thing that's burdening us. God forbid. And then the third thing is to have an agenda to really just be able to before you sit down kind of job the you know, two three. Five Points that you want to cover together and you might get to them all you might not but at least you're both coming into your date like kind of knowing and it's going to change every time you know, it might be you need to talk about an experience that happened with your boss and you're thinking of quitting and what's that going to look like financially or you might need to talk about, you know, having children or saving for a vacation, whatever it might be right, but how about an agenda have an idea of what is what needs to be covered during those? Those 30-minute period or an hour and the fourth and very important thing of how to do a money day. Kayla is to lighten the mood. You know, what happens is that money can get can start feeling like a very heavy topic very quickly. And so what we want to do is make this into a date keep a little give a little bit of the fun and the personality, you know, if you're the type of couple that it's going to be more comfortable going to a park and just kind of nudging notes on your phones and just do that go for a walk or go to your Your coffee shop where you'd rather just sit on the couch with blankets and your laptops and a notepad. That's also great. If you need to bring some yummy treats or some tea or hot cocoa or dark chocolate, you know make lightning about the little bit because because it's just time together where you going to explore this this area of your lives with the it's your finances, but try to keep it light. I love it. I love it. I think that and also the the point about putting a cap on the end is so important maybe even getting an agreement at the Beginning or setting an alarm at the beginning or something so that if you know you're setting it in the beginning so that no one's feelings need to get hurt at the end when it's time to put it away. But just knowing the way to keep this healthy the way to keep this positive is not to let this sort of spin out because things can feel so so so so important and Urgent in the moment and then we step away from it in the next day. We're like why why did I get so, you know like caught up in that exactly. So letting this sort of take some time. He's really why they love that and I'm glad you mentioned that because even With me and my husband are very experienced at the money day, you know, sometimes even during the week something will come up and then one of us has to stop the other and say put it on, you know, next week's money date, you know like at it's great because it's like no we're not talking about this right now. This is what why we have a certain limited designated space and time to do this and it's like, oh, yeah, great. Well cover it at the money date, you know, we don't have to do this right now when it's back time, or will we have to rush to meet our and my in-laws are right and I left it always. Think of hacks. So I'm just thinking that one thing that can be really helpful is if you think that either you or he might get not you but the you know, someone is wanting to do money dates and I'm thinking that one of them might get carried away with this or have trouble or be offended. So what you can do is you can just have a hard stop. So again, like if you know that you have to go through carpool or you know, you have to leave for work or there's there's something coming up that you can't miss it, but you can't not go on time. Then that's a really easy way. So you just back it right up against that, you know, so the an hour you just have Because you have to move on and again, it keeps it from being personal not that it is but I can feel that way sometimes. Yeah, the other one the agenda idea. I was thinking, you know, if people share a Google Calendars, which a lot of people do what you can do is if you just have that repeated event, then my husband and I do this sometimes you can go into the notes on the event and and both you can just add to the agenda on the notes and then it carries over to the next event brilliant take things off as you cover them. Brilliant exactly. We do this we do this exactly amazing. Okay, great. You already know. Okay, great. So we have our weekly or bi-weekly or maybe even Monthly our money dates and you know, I love the consistency of it because I think you know things are going to get so far out of control and over from when we were first married, like when we learned that we needed to sit down and look at our money on a more regular basis and we really were able to get in control in a totally different way and life shifts so much, right and your your your financial decisions are constantly, you know having to be Some re-evaluated so we want to make this just a normal part of married life. Okay amazing and then so then once you get there, so then we've gone through this first phase over just sort of exploring and we're learning about where we're coming from in our beliefs and our goals and things like that with an especially for newlyweds, but I guess for everybody like how to me I can all look very overwhelming like do I need to have a portfolio? Do I need to have retirement? Like I just need to figure out my budget like one of those mrs. Bennet. Groceries. So how do we know sort of how much we should be worrying about or what's okay for now and what we can worry about going forward or I don't know what words to the wise do you have on this? So I love that you painted it that way because I want to take you back a little bit and stress why this beginning space of awareness is so important because it's that's going to set up the foundation when you know that just the word budget causes you And makes you feel you know triggers you in certain ways when you know that about yourself or about your spouse already, right? You can then decide, you know, how to tweak your budget. Maybe you just have to change the word budget all together and use different language and agree with your spouse that we're going to call things differently. We're going to use language that makes us feel empowered and calm right we could call it a happiness plan a family happiness plan. We could call it a life plan. And we could you know, we could call our charity account bank account. We have one. You know God's blessings account. We could call our mortgage, you know, our beautiful home that we love right if we try to write you might have been like if you're using a software you could even like put it on there a hundred percent a hundred percent a hundred percent. So what I'm saying is even before we tackle the Practical nitty-gritty just knowing things about your money story, you know, where your successes. Failures for both of you, right because we're going to do this together and when we have this initial these initial conversations, I would really love to see one spouse speaking and the other one just listening and then, you know reversing that right but as you're getting to know each other that's going to be the foundation for knowing of hey like it's okay. You're in a safe space. I know this makes you nervous or I know this is exciting and it's good for you to know it. It feels good for you to know that we're saving for this goal, right? So so Even before we get to the numbers but to your question, which was about the numbers right? I think even before we set these goals that can feel a little bit overwhelming especially if you're in the beginning of your marriage like what retirement what is that right? All right, I think we have to start playing detective after we've learned a lot about each other about our money stories about our families about are you know, upbringing and how we think about money how we feel about money and all these things. We want to play a detective which They means look out for the number. Look at the numbers and list them and you know know how much do I make how much does my husband make how much do I have in savings? How much does he have in savings? How much death do we have? You know, all these numbers that are painting the financial picture what our credit scores before we even start deciding. Where are we going to focus on are we going to focus on credit card debt? Are we going to focus on Getting are we going to focus on investing long-term right first try to get a financial picture, especially if you're early on in your marriage. You probably don't know this yet. You probably don't even know. I mean, maybe hopefully you talked about it when you're dating, but maybe you didn't maybe you don't have Clarity on the numbers and it's good to just know and by the way, I should say that sometimes even this step can be overwhelming and if it gets too overwhelming like if just looking at your Both your assets and liabilities is like enough then put a note that in six months. You'll find out your credit scores and you'll you know, you like you don't have to do it all at once. You know, if you you can breathe through this you're in a partnership you doing this together. It's an ongoing conversation, but the first step before you even get to making those financial goals is to know where you're holding and then you can decide and prioritize. Okay, so I see that I just discovered. That we have more debt than I thought or I just discover that we have no debt and we could start focusing on saving, you know, so many things are going to get uncovered that is going to shape. What what my goals are going to be and and do what we do. We only tackle one goal or can we tackle two goals for the next 6 months or 12 months? That makes sense? Oh my gosh. No, this is so helpful. I because it's just so much more achievable than like what I'm thinking which is like what is my money future? All these different ways that you're just saying look at the money and let it talk to you kind of like all we need to know is what's this? What are the debts? What's the income that we have coming in? I mean, I guess there is like you said there's the assets and liabilities and you can look at all that but even that part like really need to know the value of the car and all those things early on like really we just need to know sort of what's the general budget. What's our operating cost is a family at the moment. What coming in what needs to go out? What do we need to pay if we have any debts and then that's really going to help you with the next goal. You don't need to have like all of your goals for your whole future. Just what's the next goal that makes sense given the situation right now exactly exactly that exactly and in even I would I would even add something else Kayla before we start talking about goals to have the conversation based and this is also a little bit of a another sensitive area that is hard for people to even get to and people often skip to talk about values. See what happens is I feel like Financial conversations are really A values-based conversation and financial statements really represent what we value and we often don't spend money or invest money in the things that we value. So when you get to a point where you can talk to your spouse about, you know, I value a large family that's really like, you know, or I value charity. That's so important to me or I I think or together right? We want to get to a place where we're together, but we have to share individually first kind of where we're coming from right, but it might be that you guys decide That you value living overseas and you think that that is something so amazing and you would love to do it when your kids are little right, so that's great. I mean that's that's your value then now you can set a financial plan to achieve that how are we going to map out our income and our expenses for the next I don't know year or two so that we can achieve our dream of moving overseas, you know, and and why is this important because as we go through life Get there, then we can hold each other accountable and rather than saying. Oh you spent too much this month. You say remember we have but that gold that we want to move overseas by I don't know 2020 why whatever let's work on it together. We're a little bit steering off the path. What do we need to do to reassess so that we're on track for what we want and so it's a different conversation because we're not we're coming from a place of something that we value together and we want to achieve together. Yeah, that's great. Great. I love that and I think it's it can be hard sometimes when we're in a peer group that's very similar to us because some of these things which really are our values. Like I know that for you Jewish Education is a big value and you invest in private Jewish schools. Your kids can have the education that you want and that's something that can be almost taken for granted. If you're in a peer group where everyone is sending to a Jewish Day School, right or your son are in a peer group where everyone let's say eats out a lot at nice restaurants, right? Be anything or they travel every year everyone goes on a big vacation then taking that step back and saying, okay, where does this fit into my value system? Yeah, and then if I'm doing it, then I'm doing it from so much more of a place of empowerment and the enthusiasm about it and it then I also might say, you know, what actually travel is really fun. But in this phase of my life, there's a different thing that I'm interested in or no food eating out a delicious food is an important thing to us and it's something we really love to do together and we do want to have money set aside for that because it brings us a lot of happiness. Right. So a hundred percent about that a hundred percent. We want to make these financial decisions together from a place of knowing ourselves what our values are what our priorities are rather than just default because everybody in our community in our peer group, you know goes out to eat all the time. That's just kind of by default what we do because if we took a step back, maybe we might realize know I actually would like to be a homeowner and I would love to be spending and you know eating out my be cool, but Up that important to us, you know or it might be whatever the choice is. It's very very personable. We want to be intentional about those choices. Oh and a big one that comes up for me that I hear a lot is women who you know their very dedicated to their career and then they have their first child and they're like, nope. I'm not going back. I really want to be home with this baby and a lot of them are very surprised by that. They're very taken aback by their own reaction. It's not true for all women for some for many women working is a wonderful thing for them when they have component. But for some women, they're very surprised all of a sudden it just shifts and they're like I want to be home and that is for sure a value of conversation that's going to affect the finances right a hundred percent a hundred percent. And if you're having those conversations and you're and you're in a place where having money conversations happens often between the in the relationship, then you're so much more comfortable having those hard conversations about you know, what? I thought I wanted to go back to work, but this is not going to work for me. Let's reassess and see how we can make it work financially and it's going to be you're going to be much more comfortable talking to your husband about this. You also know like you'll know why that might be hard for him or you'll my yes, what resistance is he might have so you can sort of be there with him and and understand him and supporting exactly exactly, right? Okay. Wow. All right. So what do you think is the number one, but how can we just talk budgeting for one second? Like sure I did have I had Jen Yeltsin on up. Episode 21 she talked about zero based budgeting so she gave us a basic overview, but I know that not everybody is listen to every single episode. So I'm curious about you know, if you recommend this as well, if you think this is a good idea to do the zero based budget and you know just in general how newlyweds because I know for myself maybe even just using my own example my own experience too much but in my experience, I really didn't do any serious budgeting until I got married and that was really when I started to look at it and go we what are we supposed to do is this is going to On Excel is there some app for this this is really important. So for people who haven't really gotten into budgeting yet. What do you recommend to get started this? So the first thing is yeah there has you know, it has good to get yourself in some sort of financial plan love whether you want to call it a budget a financial plan something right and some people might like apps like mint there's so many there are so many apps that are available YNAB. Yes wind up is a great one. Actually or there's just good old Excel, right? But the idea is to know what's coming in no one's going out because that's going to inform how you're going to go about your goals. Right? And if even even if we take a step back for your listeners, I would say that one of the things that you know early on in your marriage you want to look at is yeah. You want to know what's happening with your day-to-day expenses. What they are. How much is how much is life costing and how much? You bring in but also you want to start building, you know, maybe some emergency savings and you want to know if you're able to do that. And if you don't map out your your income and your expenses, then you're not even then. You can't you can't get to a place to know how much you're going to be saving. Does that make sense? You can't even move anything over to the days account. Daddy know if it's if it's extra exactly exactly so definitely and if and if and if you're starting from a place where like you described before where you've never budget a before And I'm with you like I remember as a single person. My father used to tell me you have to have a budget you have to and I was I had so much resistance Kayla and I never had a budget and you know, and I never learned and I kind of had to learn the hard way later on when I got married is so important to kind of start learning what your experience habits are around. You know, how do you spend and how much are you spending and that's that tracking your expenses. It's going to be super super helpful amazing. Okay, and so I went other question about money dates and then I know we're starting to run low on time. But what I really like about this and I think is what you're saying is we're coming together as a couple and we're talking about our goals and we're making decisions together. But then what happens when we go into the week like I know in our relationship, I really when we are budgeting since we just moved Ezra I'm still getting used to shackles. Like I've really been off the wagon for a little bit but I'm on the wagon off the wagon whatever is the bad one and but historically I was the one who would go through and I would make sure the budget was up-to-date and I would categorize. Has all our expenses and he sort of managed more of the making sure their 401k and like all those we really had kind of a division of responsibility in that way. Is that how should it be divided? Like is it fine for one person to kind of manage more of it if that's what fits for the couple or is does it also need to be split throughout the time between these sessions? So I would say two things. First of all, you just answered your own question. It is fine to do it the way it works for both of you as Long ass it's been mutually agreed and it's fine if it shifts over time, which is also part of what you were saying is in your situation. I just stopped doing my job. That's right. Okay, so then that's something to talk about right and Opeth but it could be that what you guys need for. The next six months is Kayla is still I'm still not getting used to this new monetary system in Israel. And I have other things on my plate. Could we you know, could we shift is it? Possible for you to take a little bit of the day-to-day Bill responsibilities. And I you know, I mean like it's okay. It used to be at the beginning of my marriage. My husband took care of the I can't remember it was the big picture and I did the day today then we shift and he did the day today and I did all the retirement accounts and investment accounts and then we've come to a place where we like doing it together. And I know it's not for everybody but like it just feels really right we sit together and of our money dates are really nuts and bolts paying bills and buying airplane tickets for our kids who have to come home or fly somewhere just the little things and yeah, I'm probably more still the one who checks on the retirement accounts and make sure the contributions, you know, I checked that stuff my husband kind of delegates that to me, but then you know, I report back, you know what I mean, but it's become a lot more cohesive like mutual and that's Sense, so you have to find what works for each other but this is why this is so important because if you're communicating regularly around money, then you can shift as life gets busy or you know, you might be you might have two little babies and you really it has to shift because that's just where you are in life, right? Yeah, you know, right so it have this time set aside. You have a chance to talk about it and not in place of like it's urgent and it's a problem right now, but eggs or you forgot to put you forgot to pay the Bills and it was responsible. Right? We don't want to get there. We want to be in a place. Right? Exactly. We want to be in a place where it says we can say, you know what it's like it's not working. Maybe we'd do it together. Maybe you take this man, you know what I mean? Like, so I think that's a very important. That's great. And I think also just this again coming back to this idea of the regularity of it, right then we so much sometimes want to shy away from the things that make us uncomfortable and early on for some people. This is an uncomfortable subject. Maybe we never had a good Model for talking about money, even if it's simply your parents didn't do it in front of you, right? It could be worse than that, but it could just be that that wasn't a conversation that you were carrying to eavesdrop on, you know, and here we're putting it seems like if it's uncomfortable or if it doesn't go. Well we should avoid it but really it's the opposite it needs more time for you to learn how to have these conversations and how to communicate about it. And obviously if it's really really not working and it's really toxic you can have these conversations with a therapist. You can have those conversations with a coach so You can sort of help guide you even a personal probably a financial planner could even help moderate a conversation like this if it's really a struggle, but for most people it's the it's the Rarity of the conversation that causes the problem. Yes, right? Yes. Yes. And sometimes it is like you said important to bring a third objective party on board to kind of help mediate that those conversations but so that you can get to a place where you can understand each other and keep having them on your own and And that's okay. Right these these are things that can be like there are solutions there if it's not working like let's just move on. Okay, you can just you can just call a spade a spade. Okay, we're not we're not successful right now. We're not having these conversations away. We want to so what's the next step for us? Maybe that next step is to bring somebody else in who can help us navigate this a little better because the money is not going to go away. At least we hope not right we wanted to say so, you know, we want to sort of find a way for it to be really into greater than healthy in our relationship. This is such a great idea. And you know, if you're bringing chocolate along what could go wrong all the better exactly exactly. And if I could give a few words of motivations to the listeners around this area is you know to leave them with some encouragement because I know I know I can seem like what I have to talk about money with my husband like what just hit me here. No, but really, you know, I think one of the keys to this exercise is to celebrate the wins, you know. Sometimes we're so focused on goals and this can get so, you know kind of heavy or Technical and we forget that you know, what we even having a money date even having a healthy conversation is something to give yourself a hug over and to you know, just cheer yourself on Wow, you know, we're communicating around money or look we paid down or credit card, which is something that we set out to do three or four months ago or a year ago. That's okay, whatever what? For those those small wins are make sure you're celebrating them. Make sure your your cheering book each, you know each other along. I think that's so so important and being grateful that you're there for each other and then you're taking the steps to understand each other and to build a financial life together, you know a life together, but one that obviously involves your finances, right? This is this is important and also to have patience that you mentioned this before because money dates they take practice. If they take time, but the it's really such a wonderful tool. I love it. I love it. This is so great. Oh my gosh. I am so hoping that people we should just have people like bite take pictures of their I know many dates and hashtag money day seriously tigers in there. I want to see everyone doing this and I'm going to try. Okay. Yeah. Well, I'm going to try and have a money date before this podcast is published. Yay. Let's see if my husband had is that out? She's like, nope. You know what Kayla I find that you people might be surprised but the husband's might be really really open to do anything. Sure. Yeah, right because it's so helpful. It's so helpful to put some time aside and also in some cases in some cases one person is really bearing the brunt of the responsibility. Yeah, and if it's the husband and then you're coming to your husband you're saying, you know, I want to see what I want to see what's going on and I want to see if there's something that I should be doing differently. Lior that I could be helping with, you know, that's that's quite a gift there. Yep, a hundred percent a hundred wheezing. Okay. Yeah l so you created a PDF for our listeners. Can you tell us about that? Yes, so I created a PDF that you can download were, you know gives you what we talked about with a little bit more details so that you were you know, prepared and ready to start having your money dates. It's a guide to a money date and you'll have also ideas of the things that you want to discuss during those dates and you know read through it. Download it read through it and then approach your husband and said say, you know, I think would be great. If you know we set out some time to get together and talk about our money and I really think you're going to be successful at this and like you said before very often. It's the husbands who are carrying a lot of the burden. They're very relief to know that we want to be involved and to know that we want to contribute that we want to we don't want to be in the dark. Thank you. Oh my gosh. Thank you for creating this PDF first of all because That was a lot. It was a lot of different steps and they're all helpful and they're all important to me don't want to forget them. So I think that that is a huge huge gift to just be able to have that right in front of you can kind of look at it and see how your you know, what you need to remember what you want to include. So that's going to be a Jewish Latin princess.com forward slash money date, but I'm going to make sure to link that in the show notes also, so if you don't have a chance to write it down just go to the show notes later and and I'll have the link to that PDF. Thank you so much for creating that. Awesome. Yeah, my my absolute pleasure. Okay, any final parting words of wisdom for our listeners? Well, the final thing that I would love to say is first of all, I'm excited that your listeners are are here in this platform learning so much from you and that you've added this to their arsenal of amazing things that they can do to, you know to build and very healthy marriage and then to your listeners is to remember that to lead this conversations with your Values with what's really important to the both of you and remember always that you're doing this because you're number one value is your marriage not your money, but your marriage and that's why you're having money dates. Yes. Oh my gosh. Number one is the marriage. I love that. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'll for coming on for sharing all this with us for giving us these resources. I think this is going to be a huge game changer for a lot of women. I hope it don't have a clear clear steps to take to focus on their on their money in their relationship. So Overcoming on I hope it is and I thank you for doing this. Okay, great. Thank you, bye-bye. Okay, you guys I hope you enjoyed that interview as much as I did and now it's time for my horrible confession. I had committed to going on my first money date before this had the air and we haven't done it yet. So I'm going to get that booked today with my husband and we're gonna try to do this. I don't know why it's so hard. I I'd love to hear from you guys how your experience is you find it to be difficult or you able to just jump right in I love the idea, and it's so easy to feel too busy for things. Sometimes if you want more on that go check out episode 2 why you don't have enough time. Maybe it's time for me to do my own new zero-based calendar. Okay have an amazing week everyone. Thanks so much for tuning in and I'll see you back here next week. Bye. Bye.

Get Yael's free Money Dates PDF at jewishlatinprincess.com/moneydate This week I had the pleasure of inviting Yael Trusch, host of Jewish Latin Princess who is sharing the amazing concept of Money Dates. Yael has a background in finance and is now an author and inspirational speaker, so she brings the vision from one world to the practical of the other! Money is one of the main sources of stress for couples, and often we struggle to have these conversations. While the impulse may be to avoid these conversations, Yael shows us how carving out the time actually helps make it easier to discuss money. And it's not just about counting dollars. Yael brings in values, vision, and dreams, and shows us how the way we spend our money can become a reflection of our deepest values. So what's a money date? A money date is specific time you carved out in the calendar to speak about your finances. Yael suggests discussing it on a global level first--what lessons did you learn from your family? How has your experience with money been so far?--and then gradually adding in budgeting, investing, and planning. Follow Yael at www.jewishlatinprincess.com and on Instagram @jewishlatinprincess Download the free PDF: www.jewishlatinprincess.com/moneydate

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So now we'll move on to our episode and this is another person that I really admire greatly and in this episode we talk about a lot of things queerness body shame disordered eating islamophobia pregnancy questions around activism and self-care and a lot more. Rage does a million rad things and it was truly an honor to interview them in the midst of their last moments of pregnancy. I'm inspired by them and all they do truly and I hope you enjoy this episode rage is a queer Muslim migrant from Karachi Pakistan there a public defender in organizer around the criminal punishment system and prosecutor accountability with court watch NYC and 5boro Defenders since moving. To Brooklyn almost a decade ago rages work and activism has focused on queer and trans Liberation immigrant Justice and prison abolition there also a visual artist media maker hairstylist and co-host and co-producer of the amazing podcast bad Brown aunties. I hope you enjoy this episode. Rage, thank you so much for joining me today. It's really an honor to have you. Thank you so much for having me. This is really lovely. I love your podcast. Thank you. I love your podcast. We'll talk about that later. But so I like to start. It each episode with you know, some kind of question that you can kind of take any way you'd like to but if you can think about, you know, your earliest memories of having a body or learning about having a body messages you received or stories that come to mind. I love this question. I love it because I think about a lot of my sort of like I was Morning at seven months. I was found my mom had an emergency C-section. My dad wasn't there. I feel like I nearly died my mother and yet you died so much of everything that followed the game sort of links to that and some weird way. So there's you know, I was born completely blue and I was really tiny and I remember all these jokes about how my aunt was there, too. like held me first and handed me to my mom and she laughed about how my mother like both look like looked like she'd seen an alien and it was like stuff that everyone just thought was really funny, but I don't think I realized that it shapes so much of how I thought about one my own pregnancy and then too how it sort of shape the narrative about me as a kid. So then I end up being I still am like a small person. My bones are really small. I'm like built sort of small and I was little I was like, you know, like two years sort of smaller than the average kid. Yeah. It's it's just sort of wild to think that but that has shaped so much of my experience because I think one of the things that's been true for me for a lot of my life is that I haven't thought about my body a lot. on some like on a present level but it's obviously been present right and that's why I love your podcast so much because I think it's a really really helpful to think about obviously this like filter that we navigate the world through but then we aren't necessarily always engaging with consciously or disassociated from or not. That's really helpful information. And so I don't think I think bar. Like some of it is like growing up with this idea that if something is difficult you trudge through it. And so like if you feel small then that's there's a there's a there's a limitation in you if you aren't able to sort of move past that or if you if someone says that like you're really tiny and weak but instead of questioning the fact that that information is actually really complicated and problematic and maybe we need to like receive it differently, or maybe it doesn't need. To be shared, but that instead it must be something in you if you can't receive that and so I think there's a way in which like I remember feeling really ashamed about it or feeling really shy about it. And then like I used to do Indian classical dance as a kid and being small had some sort of currency in that space later on and I remember like my closest friend I asked. come to dance class with me and we just had really different bodies and we were placed in different rows and really far apart, even though it was just a class and it didn't really matter that we were standing in some sort of formation and it just became this thing that like I was always in the front of the class and she was always in the back and we got a lot of information about like how we related to each other really shifted because of it because my dance teacher who is incredible a lot of other ways perpetuated a lot of things that that I think dancing does and so like what Well, like I don't think I'd ever experienced. Someone being told that they should be more like me because I was sort of feel like runt Outcast open right my family and in life and so, you know, it felt funny that this all this person was suddenly being told to be like me and it shifted our Dynamic a lot in terms of power in a way that like neither of us could really help. You know, like I remember my mother having a lot of Shame I'm because everyone Rose comment on whether she was feeding me enough and and so she felt really like I remember her like stressing out about it and saying you have to eat more people keep asking me and that was her own sort of anxiety. Anyway, so I think that's really shaped a lot of things and then I think it's had a huge impact in terms of trauma in my life and in terms of this like belief not going to talk about that specifically, but I think it has impacted sort of disbelief that I thought the smallness makes me a Target or that or it makes it easy or something or something, you know, and I think that's been that's been really huge and then I look back at journals from College even and I think about how so much of them are about getting physically stronger and how I could probably pick up a journal from last month in episodes something that implies that you know, or says that yeah, so so strength like your your solution in some ways the way that you feel like you have Navigate both. External sort of expectations or projections on you and also some traumatic experiences. Like one thing has really been about that you it sounds like that you've maybe reclaimed for yourself. I don't know how what your relationship to it is. But is this idea of strength? Like what that means to you? I actually don't love it. It don't I don't I'm not sure that I mean, I don't mean that in a way to be judgmental. Of myself or anyone else who feels like physical like strength or you know, like learning how to box or like learning hot like all of those things are incredible survival strategies and responses to things and like I don't mean this with shame, but I do think that I don't love the fact that I think it goes back to that initial point that I said about when someone says something to you this like need to sort of like build yourself up as a response, like I don't think that that needs to be the response. I think a lot of things need to change I think People need to probably not say those things or that there's different ways to be strong and like it's like an able to sort of idea to think like, oh I should get physically stronger whatever that means, you know, and like if it's like and Satori it's like a compensatory kind of action that you yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I broke my back when I was about it's been a while now and 2006 and I was looking for an apartment of me in New York and it was it moved back here a few years later and for quite a while Winters were really difficult and a lot of things changed as a result of it like Steps walking up stairs changed. And anyway, I was looking for apartments and we as we were looking I felt really shy to say that like I couldn't do a walk up because it was such a thing in New York right like you what you've gone to a third-floor walk-up. I kind of sort of like bougie individual are you and I really pushed me to try to like I don't know just like not big places that needed to accommodate me and at some point we found a building with an elevator and I remember being like really excited about it, but not wanting to say and then one of my friends saying like, you know, it's fine to just tell the people that you're looking with it. This is a thing that like so I don't know there's a way in which like that Narrative of like, yeah, I need to strip stronger better faster is not It's not helpful for yourself, but it's also really not helpful for other people. Right? And one of the really incredible things about that apartment was that it was one of the only accessible like truly accessible apartments I've ever lived in it was like, um, I imagine what like it was bitter. It was like a built for people to age which I think is like a really not a thing especially in New York City. And so I just had friends on Wheelchairs and I had friends who you know like used. I had a friend who used a cane and was looking for a place to stay in New York and like it was the only place they could stay and I in that year realized of that first year of living there that actually like it was something really, I don't know like I was like a relief that the space product and yeah, anyway, this is pretty circuitous, but just that like It's not helpful for anyone. If you're constantly trying to adapt yourself around spaces versus like very clear information that spaces need to yeah, it's there's a lot of it sounds like in this, you know in your relationship to this. notion of your size and your smallness and your needs all of those things kind of involve a counter discourse around like over, you know, overcompensating or compensating or overcorrecting is the word. I'm looking for you at like overcorrecting for something that is and me. I think we all many many of us do that in all sorts of ways, but I think you know the it sounds like the intersection of the experiences that you've had in your life. There are many different areas. You have felt compelled at least to try to compensate or try to like over correct for something. That is may be perceived as I don't know difficult or I don't know but, you know a problem or strange or different and yet there's this like one, you know, this one example, you just gave of you know being in the dance class and having your smallness sort of valorized and I'm wondering if like you also have kind of at the same time gone through experiences where you've maybe tried tried to remain small in some ways or yeah, that's a big question your Authority. Yeah. I mean I had a really I think you know like eating stuff is really really difficult and I'm just going to talk about how it sort of a lifelong relationship. I have a habit of giving myself deadlines. I'm thinking like in like one year. I'm going to be over this thing. And one of the things I've learned about eating is that it's like a thing you do every day. Sometimes it Your relationship took changes. And so I cannot I think now I just need to think of it as something that's always going to be present for me that like food is complex for me. It was complex for me before I had a name for it, which is like I feel like so many things in my life. Like I was queer before I knew I was queer or I was like like, you know, like I was like making it like my first like queer love and identified a straight for a good couple of years after that and it's just like whatever like our brains are funny. but I think my relationship to food is one of those things and it wasn't till I got to college and I was in my second or second year and I had a conversation with someone that ended up being a conversation that happened all night, and it was the first time that I talked about my relationship to food, but it wasn't it have been like a year since I've had a terrible relationship to food and I feel like terrible is another one of those words, right? But like one that was harmful to me at some point. I hope my mother never hears. This was hospitalized for not eating but I I fooled a lot of people in that moment and it was like, oh it's like really hot and like I forgot to drink water and eat at school and then I played Sports and then I bought like how I got there is that I bust out and like literally how I got there. But how I actually got the crystal like have eaten. I think it was like watermelon for a very long time. Anyway, this is probably intense for people. Who also have hard relationships to food? And so I don't mean to yeah talk about that too much but I like the specifics too much but I think that there is a way in which like I I think that I think that dancing was absolutely the Catalyst for that. Hmm and that like shift from small and it changes right like when you're a small kit when you're a kid like at least in Pakistan, like everyone wants you to be like chubby and like have cheeks and like There's like all this like what is a cute baby? And what is it cute kid, although in my family. I have to say everyone really struggles with I think their body stuff in a way that I have muscles and I'm dull. We're like my cousin had a baby and the baby was like this perfect little chunk and like their dad was like, so at what point are you gonna stop feeding them that much, you know as I've all well that is that is something my family but but in general like culturally right like you There's a lot of affirmation for that kind of a kid and then it shifts when you're a teenager like suddenly you're supposed to have like by a certain point changed your body completely to be now acceptable in this like new framework. And so it was hard for a while kind of right and then like and then I like in dance class. It was fine and then like as dumb as I became a teenager it was like Everyone just kept talking about how I could eat as much as I wanted and nothing happened and that thing of my mother being afraid that people were thinking she wasn't feeding me went from her that being her anxiety to being like really excited that that wasn't that like now, it's helping me out. You know, whatever. That means. Well, I think Yeah, I think there was like a commitment to maintaining that. This first I couldn't do anything about it. Yeah as a kid and then I suddenly could and also I was really coming to terms with some stuff in my life that was had been really difficult as a kit at like throughout my childhood and I felt so out of control as a kid and it was such a in my mind, it was like I had I had reclaimed control and so I didn't even for years. Like I said, I didn't even think of it as something that was like harmful to me despite having gone to the hospital, you know, or like gold like and then coming to college and having that conversation with someone and realizing like, oh, wow. I'm also part of a pretty big network of people like, you know, again, like all of these things feel as real dress as they are true to us sort of so it's like not like telling so I'm not trying to tell people like Oh, this isn't unique to you and you're not not like that. But more just that sometimes it's really helpful to find Community around says because it's less isolating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I think you know, I'm glad you Are you talking about this in a way that it's sort of? I think the people who I've who I've interviewed and the people I work with all the time as a therapist, you know, one of the things that feels often feels the most helpful is to talk about that notion of control as help, you know like that this emerged as something very like, you know in the context of a social world that was imposing certain standards, right, but and that you were responsible To but that on a very deeply personal level, you know your relationship to control of food and intake and nourishment sounds like it was it actually served you quite well, like it did help you kind of have a sense of you know, even if it's an illusion, but it a sense of control and that that really, you know, it's we could say it's harmful and it is and it hurts. It's very dangerous and yet I think it's also so a very affecting coping mechanism for dealing with traumatic, you know experiences in the body and it sounds like it was it has been and all of those things for you. Yeah, and I think that's what's hard about survival strategies is that they're really like you build a really strong relationship to them as they as they give you some of the strength that you need in a moment or like as they allow you to just be your exist and then at some point maybe they stop serving you and then it's really hard to let go of that and that's the thing that I find is happening in my body right now. Is that like this feels like a big and mop like pregnancy feels like a Big physical shift that's also like a big emotional shift. I feel like my mind is My mind feels sometimes not like the mind that I remember just from a few months ago or something. My thoughts are different and suddenly things like oh for instance like a relationship to food is a thing that I'm going to bring to a kid right like whether I Whether I want to or not whether it's like it's like I know explicitly and intellectually that I feel like that's the work that's almost easier is that you know, what not to say right and I think these are that's the way in which sometimes we find ourselves like an acting oppression is that we know not to say things and so it's when someone you're saying like I didn't say anything problematic or I didn't but the issue is that like the people around you sort of if they're if they're adapted experiencing that oppression. They know that Carlos of whether you're saying it's happening right and all sorts of waterways and so the idea of having a kid and then thinking about how okay so if this kid is like so this kid is going to be probably big and I'm a small like I'm tiny and I think everyone in my family is going to bend the average size of a baby is just different regionally, and I know for a fact well, I know this because when I first told my mother Other like she panicked about this baby potentially not being tiny and it was just really interesting. Like you look like this like ideal like this idea. This perf is this idea of a perfect sized baby for her. I like not too small not like premature and two and a half pounds and like super breakable or something and then like not too big and like definitely not like super chubby or whatever that means and like I don't know. It's just like, oh all this information that I didn't I sort of had to have the I don't know it's been hard to have those conversations. Like I know that you're going to love this kid, but also like really not helpful to start creating a narrative about what their size means regardless of what it is. There's going to be a narrative right like medium small large in relation to what like, I don't know. But yeah, it's going to create a narrative and then I'm going to have responses to it based on how I've seen myself and there's a way in which like I have had to think a lot about my relationship to food through this pregnancy. I have gestational diabetes and mmm. And I really bad Sweet Tooth and it's like this one of my friends was saying that I'm like the last person on Earth they wish that on because I really could like give up meals and eat candy bars for weeks on him. But yeah, so then suddenly like now I have to monitor my food intake and I have to keep a food diary and all these things are Not good for someone who really needs to suspend a control around food. Yes, right and I'm like, so I'm kind of in a triggered place and then like my mother commenting on the size of a baby that she perceives to be like a harmless Grandma thing to say, right? It just means that like suddenly like my survival strategies are totally in question and my relationship means I need to engage with them and like really think about can I let this go and if I let this go Will everything fall apart and hmm? Yeah, I don't know. I had this I love a therapist therapist save lives and my therapist said something to me. The other day about how I just talked about something really really intense and I'd said before like I didn't want to talk about it initially because I felt like the steaks were too high like in the bust contending with this difficult thing had meant getting really depressed and like getting really sad and really like going all the way to the edge with it and then being really afraid that I didn't wouldn't want to be here. More and then like talking about it again right now. And so part of what I've done is like disassociated and like compartmentalize and like I'm not going to do this thing and then like, you know having to think about it right now. And at the end of it we had this like conversation and she's like well, what was your biggest fear? And I was like that I wouldn't want to be here but I am and it's like, okay and I'm here and I'm alive and I want to be and That's already different. I'm so like maybe I can let go of some of the things and the stakes aren't the same, you know, uh-huh. Uh-huh. I feel like I'm getting very circuitous responses, but everything feels so connected. It's so connected. Yeah. I mean it's and I mean that like as someone who's who has been pregnant who was pregnant and I think there's something about out The unfolding or of the narratives that we hold in our bodies that kind of get all of that gets sort of stirred up in lots of different situations like, you know, in moments of illness or what, you know, there are lots of moments where that happens but pregnancy is also one of them and how we relate to our body. But also how we relate to kind of like, you know, it's so interesting hearing about your mom because it's sort of like a prejudgment. About what what you produce like what your body produces or what it's capable of producing, you know, and there's all sorts of yeah, there's just there's a lot there that I think is really complicated and does drawn a lot of our inherited stories or inherited sense of value that we place on, you know. What we can produce what we're capable of what our bodies do how they perform and you throw in like a history with disordered eating into that mix. Yeah and having to nourish, you know, being told how to nourish yourself right now. It's extremely complex and appreciate I don't think there's like a real solution to it. It's just it's really a momentum kind of the unfolding of that. I wonder if maybe you mentioned your therapist and I wonder if maybe you could talk a little bit about. sir, what currently and and perhaps historically has been a few found to be helpful in terms of Reckoning with or dealing with some of your history with disordered eating or with trauma and Yeah, I mean I know that we you know before the interview talked a little bit about the idea that like healing spaces are so have been in some ways or have always been so co-opted by this by whiteness, you know in a lot of ways and over determined by whiteness and I just wonder how if you could speak a little bit how you navigated that it probably is different in pregnancy than it has been maybe some things are similar. But yeah. oh my God, I think so much about how How digging care of myself changed completely when I came to the United States for instance. I realized that this happened a little bit later, but my sister was assassinated in 2015 and I couldn't go home for her funeral ended up being like this big political mess and I one of the things that happened when I went home the first time after and I kind of avoided going home afterwards. I felt really like I wasn't ready. I just wasn't ready. And the first time I went home everywhere, I went like I get she kind of ended up becoming mild. Well sort of pretty famous at the end of her life and I wasn't there to watch so much of the same and so I didn't quite understand it and Another 21st died. I had so much resentment for it because I was like who are all these people like? Why is everyone suddenly so invested in her and like any way almost like jealous of everyone that had suddenly it was like taming her but one of the things and that's how it felt from afar and then I went home and like everywhere. I went people were like, hey, I've been thinking about you and your sister and I haven't seen you for a while and I realized that something about grief. He's back home that I really appreciate is that when someone dies everyone just like everyone just shows the fuck up like literally just like bodies and bodies of people right? Like there's different like there's like a so depending on your cultural practices, like people you have the thing on the third day or you have a thing but the but the actual burial has to happen if you're Muslim Before Sunset and so, you know depend depending on the time of death or whatever. Within 24 hours You Are Not Alone there is hundreds and I don't mean like you don't have to be I think in her case, it was a it was a much more public funeral and that's not even the part that I get. My mean. I guess I feel sad I missed that too. But you know, it doesn't it's not that it's like 5,000 people but it's tedx 300 people and like what's considered close family or what's considered close that's like, you know, the Pakistani wedding and everyone's like, oh, it's just close family. It's 450 people, you know. And it's so different and I think capitalism whiteness all these things shaped sort of how we show up for people and I just had this major realization when I went home. Like what I really needed was that and I have bad people show up for me and I had people take care of me and it was I was incredibly like I was incredibly supported right like in the context of here, but What I had needed in my body just from having seen it my whole life and having experienced loss of my grandmother and seeing how people had showed up for my mother or like, you know, like was this hundreds of people just showing up and handling stuff. Right? Like all you got to do is take a shower and if you can put on some white clothes and that's and then everyone else got it, you know and That I think is one that I think grief and loss is a big one that like how you engage with and different cultural practices show up. I mean different things to different people but I think if it's something that you know in your body as healing and you have a different relationship to it the same thing with being Muslim is that you know, I grew up with a raging atheist for a father and a cultural context which was increasingly like Pakistan was what people must mostly don't know as it was a secular country for most of it's sort of existence and then like with this military dictator ziyal Haku was propped up by the US government as they tried to gain power in Afghanistan really funded the islamization of Pakistan. And so for a long time people were contending with the fact that this foreign thing was coming in right like people didn't not that I have any feelings about people wearing hijabs. wearing them but he jobs weren't a cultural practice because they just they just weren't there not indigenous to Pakistan people cover their heads and that's indigenous to the desert because of weather and so, you know, there's like and there's like certain moments religiously what you cover your head, but it's not a It's just very different from sort of how the public image of it is. And so. Yes, being Muslim was important and being culturally Muslim was very important. And also like as the country became increasingly politically Muslim my parents. My mother was, you know, it was one of the founders of the feminist movement along with a bunch of really incredible women. They were really contending with their relationship with the slamming being feminists and they landed all sorts of different places, but my mother identified as a feminist Muslim and anyway, so I grew up knowing how to be I'm going to wave it is so helpful. And one of the things that that meant was and often they just met fun. Right like it's like Christmas or on either you go to all your elders and they give you money. Like how can you not like that? And so but one of the things that I really thought my grandmother don't mean it's really helpful was to pray and It didn't occur to me that like how much? Like that had been useful to me not because I Delilah Delilah when I was home. I didn't have to explain it to anyone. Right like praying wasn't some display of biodiesel just kind of was and then I came here and I came here right after 9/11 or the year after 9/11 and we're two years after but it was still so thick in the air and I absolutely hate the fact that I prayed because I suddenly felt like it was gonna good note something that I didn't need it to Cano all that it was was that like It's a it's a space the way that you know, the way that Muslims pray is that there's like you say a bunch of words that are in Arabic and for me as a non Arabic speaker. It's just the ritual of saying them. I know kind of vaguely. I mean a lot of what they mean, but not to the extent that an Arabic speaker does maybe and also it's actually old Arabic so it's who knows and then there's like a ritual in terms of how you move your body and then at the end you kind of get to Say you're on bit. And the way that I was talked to say the bit at the end by my grandmother was like you start off by. Sharing gratitude for all the things in your life. Then you sort of pray for all the people in your life and the things that you want good thing people you want good things for and then at the end of all that you asked for stuff for yourself. But by the time you get to asking for stuff for yourself, you've done this amazing ritual of first having to think about your contacts and think about yourself as like of things bigger than yourself and so once you start thinking about gratitude and once you start thinking about like, oh, I'm really grateful that like, I don't know that I had I had food today or I got to sleep last night and I really comfortable bed them. Like by the time you get to your your asks. It's shifted a little bit, right? You're not like it's really I find it to be really grounding. And anyway, so I really hit that part of me a lot of my friends didn't I friends even now who laugh about how they have no idea that I But praying is a thing that I do and like have a lot of questions about it and ways that like I don't think are like feel to them like dissonance but they're not to me. I've tried to meditate in all sorts of ways, right and sometimes it's helpful and sometimes it's not but I know that something about being dot something really young and having a relationship to it and knowing like if I'm scared at night and I'm I remember as a kid being scared. I'm thinking oh my God, it's time for my nighttime. Prayer it's going to be fine. Like once I sit down and do this like task of essentially meditating. I'll be less scared and I know I'll be less scared. And so now to think about it is suddenly like, oh, wow, it's taken me so long to come back to being able to own something that You know, I think that like being Muslim is it is less trendy than being like maybe going to an ashram and you know Buna or something and but but the idea is the same right and in so many ways like we know it's doing for our brains. We know that like, I know that in a moment of Crisis to say a quick prayer is something that my grandmother would do before she acted and it's that Seconds of like I could react from this place of being really really heightened and not that it's not valid to have a big reaction to something that requires a big reaction, but that if I take the 15 seconds around myself, but my reaction might be more useful relation. I'm so things like that and then like, you know nature was a big one. I went to school in Western, Massachusetts and we were in the woods and you know all I knew. About American Woods was like 90s horror movies. Where why do you take a candle stick into the wood? Like I just it just feels this and I just thought the woods were so creepy and I thought that like Nature was you know, everyone loved to hike suddenly everyone like wanted to go on long walks and acts like this is so boring like I come from a big city. I want to do the thing like this is not an activity, but what I didn't realize so So relatively recently maybe like three years ago with that nature could be mine. Right and then like I've always loved trees and somehow being surrounded by them in Western Massachusetts with like four percent people of color and everyone else being really white meant that I thought trees were white people things versus like Oh my God, I fucking love trees like just as a thing. They're so cool. Like the Redwoods are so cool. They've seen all this stuff their archives there. They Keep Us Alive like Just the even big cities are different like adachi where I'm from is a huge City, but people have it's a low City. It's not super built up and people have space for the space for green and your house or like the idea of Courtyards are like the outside being inside is a thing people have always done. That's because it's like, you know, you build your house around the breeze and around the trees like if there's a really old tree you just build a house around it. You don't go down to build a house. Yeah, there's just a million ways in which like I just started to believe that healing was not. It was not mine. And it became this funny thing. I don't like the more trauma you had or like the more oppression you face like the less accessible healing becomes which is so wild because like, you know, my mother always jokes about how white people love bungee jumping because they don't die naturally enough, you know, and it's like this funny idea of like, Who needs like who needs those spaces and who should have accurate and whose practices have you taken like whose survival way to survive in the world? Have you taken you know, and then made maybe yours and we talked a lot about yoga and sure that that's now if you like yoga is like so gentrified that it's not even a thing anymore. But like I remember having a really negative reaction to people like cleansing the are quote unquote with mmm. Me, I mean like white people using like Palo Santo something right and I just remember feeling like what I don't I'm like this feels something about this doesn't feel right. Hmm and I went home the last time I went home my mother let we call it Le Bon it's called and just looked up the English name for this because I was like have to be able to get it here somehow an Amazon. I didn't say Amazon. I don't use Amazon what you're talking about. But like I was like, where do I get this? Thing anyway, so I was looking for Le Bon and I went home and my mom my mother at the end of the night sort of like lit this Le Bon and walk around the whole house with it. It was like this is hilarious like this what this thing that I felt like first I had a response to it because it was like white people and Palo Santo sure like fine, but then it shifted to the practice itself feeling icky and then I was like, oh, I have no relationship to this and then I went back home and I realized I have had that happen every night of my life. And I'm even things like and I think actually in pregnancy. It's interesting because we have access to incredible like midwives and doulas and like people that can help you navigate pregnancy and feeling like I was so averse to having a doula to lay have a doula and like really love them because it just felt like if also indulgent Like really someone just gonna like show up and like help me figure out how to navigate this like a terrifying thing and that they say that like we're going to talk about how my my biggest fear is like having a super premium, which is like we that's so it's so helpful when your Doula is like well, like maybe that's not about what your body's doing. But maybe it's the story that you've just been told about yourself or like There are so many things that having a doula helped me figure out that I just didn't even know I needed to figure out and once it happened it was like, oh my God, this is amazing. Like everybody needs to have access to the stuff but part of it is that like culturally I think we've had people in our Lives who had babies before and are willing to like show up and teach you how to do it. But if you're living in New York, yeah capitalism like you're like, Go go go and got like got me two. Things can't be I don't know. There's like a no space to struggle. There's no space for vulnerability. There is like yeah. Yeah, I think what you're yeah and what part of what you're talking about is especially with the doulas like the Doula becomes like Annex, you know, the narrative becomes that it's like an accessory, right? You know, like you have to you you must have a doula right and what gets lost or what you're experiencing now in a really visceral way immediate and visceral way is that You know the whatever it is. However, it's formulated this particular form of support. It brings up feelings of you know, like deserving and you know, I think there's there's kind of like a as you said Indulgence or an idea that you know being An activist there's an aesthetic, you know kind of rigidity around any kind of, you know caring for the self that feels excessive right? But I guess in some ways, you know, what you're describing is. practices that are that are nourishing for you and that you are identifying our nourishing for you and the whole time that you've been kind of answering my question. I've been thinking about your kid like you're going to have a kid and part of what you're going to transmit to this kid, you know is A sense of prioritizing the idea of seeking out and valuing practices that are nourishing for that kid, you know and they might be different practices but like seeing you doing that and I don't I don't necessarily think this self-care and like self-help discourses or so complicated. Obviously. I'm immersed in them as a therapist but you know even moving away from that just kind of like cutting through and and understanding what All's good and supportive in your body is is something I think that's not prioritized in a place like New York where it's go go go and it's you know overcompensate and it's and it sounds like in part, you know the past couple of years at least you've been discovering or rediscovering the things that have like deep resonance in your body. Yeah. Yeah. It's a helpful time to be thinking about it because I think that I have this urgency right like to figure out so much before the kid comes and I know I'm going to learn all them in a way that I wish that I don't know right like I it's just gonna happen. I'm gonna say a thing and it's going to hurt their feelings and it's going to be really profound and I'm going to go completely shattered by it like a million times a day probably and yeah, I think that Really thinking about having a kid who's going to be the kid like the specific makeup of my kid is going to be that they're going to need a lot of they're going to need a lot of affirmation in the world and they're probably not going to get it from the World At Large and so a lot of it is going to have to come from like within their family unit and like gender race religion like all of this. This like every single and I don't even know anything about their about their body and their relationship their body and like how it's going to feel and there's so many things it's a new person in the world and they're going to have people things and like I've had a lot of people things in my life and I imagine that they will to him. It just feels like one of the things that I really really want them to know is that this feeling of like resilience that isn't about isn't related to being okay all the time more isn't related to being like whatever people's conception of strength is all the time, you know, and just like you and your viewing your body and a new and yourself or enough and you have enough in you and I'm not that's a growing shifting idea. And maybe this is like very ephemeral in vague, but could just like That feeling of indulgences that you're describing that I have. I don't. I realize how much of that comes from oppression and my relationship to oppression. Like what is indulgent is nothing that I would tell someone else's indulgent. But what I conceived it isn't as indulgent for myself is a very different standard. So it's taken me a long time to be someone that like wants to dress up in the world and you know, it's not really happening in this right now at this stage, but it's But like you know that you think about single Athletics and activism my stocking I went to talk that tourmaline and Juliana Huxtable gave and they were talking a lot about Aesthetics and how you know, like to feel valued as an activist. I think tourmaline was talking about how like feeling valid as an activist meant that like you had to where you have to have a certain aesthetic because anything beyond that was indulgent, right and so it's similar to that. It's like I don't know like if you want to wear like if you really want to dress up for like Wednesday morning third grade like it's like a wedding like fucking go for it, you know, and then like let's have a conversation about what that's going to mean when you go to you go and you come back and you realize that everyone thought that was maybe too much and like where are the boundaries of too much and is it really too like what I don't know just like all of Those those like mundane, I feel like you have so much more information about this right because like I don't know tell me tell me things. How do you marry the way I'm hearing you? It's so amazing because I'm like, you're already thinking like a parent you're already aware of how I feel like so many people have these kind of romanticize Notions of I'm going, you know, like they're really they're really skirting around potential conflicts in your you know, your I just imagine you're going to be really in With your kid, which is amazing. I mean, I have a kid who's who basically is the kid who wears the you know, like dress up dress up like a wedding, you know in third grade or whatever, you know, I mean like dressed up out like like she was preparing to go to a club or something for her class picture. You know what I'm saying? Like I have a kid who is it is really pushing the bounds of certain things and it's complicated for her. I mean she Has like certain privileges that allow her to do that. I think in certain ways, but I also think that what you're talking about around permission is so that the permission or the kind of like the yeah, the permissiveness comes from you comes from within the family around like nurturing these parts of the being this kid, you know in a way that that I think is, you know, It's often reparative for me because I grew up in a very constricted and restrained and you know rule-bound and you know, not feminist household. So it's reparative for me. But it also requires a lot from me around like you're saying around kind of Shifting your own locked in or habitual ways that you relate to yourself and your needs and what is too much for you and and all of that so so I think you know, it's really beautiful. Actually. I feel like you're already you're really talking like someone who's in it in it already in the parenting thing. I mean everything. Yeah. Yeah. No for real and I guess I just you know, I want to ask before we get to kind of sum of what you are up to. I guess I want to ask a little bit more about what is it what it felt like To think about I mean you're not as I just said you're pretty much you're already parenting right but what it's like to think about, you know, being a queer Muslim parents in the United States, like what I don't know. I mean there are lots of discourses around having children and deciding to do that and all that, but I'm just curious how you the big question, but maybe there's some aspect of it that that really resonates. For you you'd like to talk about I think when I think the queerness and gender be some also the parents other kid and they're they're black. They're non-binary. I'm an immigrant queer a Muslim both of us feel really Committed to not to thinking about gender in terms of this, baby. And there's this like and then having to contend with like how families going to perceive that and like. How do we how do we talk about? I don't not like pronouns and how like my gender has changed a lot and like who am I going to show up to like, who am I going to show up as a different times of their life? Are they? Are they going to be embarrassed of us? Are they going to wish I mean, I think the answer is this disease. Is there going to be embarrassed of us? Like that's just a give them right? But like is this liberatory? Yeah, are these Frameworks helpful, you know being the kid that like got myself like being the kid that learned about sex before everyone else because my dad was just like we're just going to have this conversation and then going to school and having that conversation. I realized realizing that it didn't quite give me the social currency that I anticipated. It would not with my classmates or with my Teachers and so like or like, you know, like I said my dad's a raging atheist and like his version of Islam was different from we had religion clause that was like mandatory under the government at the time in the early 80s just a bizarre thing to do the six year olds, but you know, I had all these questions like was like, why does my parents were also like super hippie? So they have a lot of like Islamic history ends up being about conquest and so like that's what they're teaching six year old witch. Like I don't know I just think a bad plan but asking in religion class like why why do we keep learning about these battles? Like what's like, what's awesome about them? Like you're just describing conquer and people dying and a lot of violence and you know being like how come we're not talking about the fact that like I show who's a historic figure lead battle and she's one of the few like women historic figures that led a battle like if we're gonna be talking about the stuff like why aren't we talking about some other stuff really pissing people off, you know, and so I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little bit nervous about I don't think the solution is like do not give gives information but I'm a little bit nervous about what that information is going to mean a different stages of their life. Right like you're like so often I've heard from my friends at they were like outcasts and Weirdos and school whatever like that meant and then they went to college and suddenly it was cool to know stuff and that's a long Line one is my kid going to college to his college going to be a thing that anyone can afford like we don't have a planet. I don't know like there's so many big questions about what the future looks like, but that's like 18 years of waiting. And I know I waited that long at exactly right. Like I feel a little bit nervous about my my own being threshold for watching my kids inevitable and navigate. Yeah. You know, like I don't know what their complexion is going to be that that's regardless of what it is. It's going to be a conversation like yeah, just I mean just like everything and It's funny. I was thinking of hitting about like food allergies and if my kids going to have food allergies and how much my Pakistani family will think that's not a thing right? Like they're going to there's gonna be all these ways in which like they're going to think that my kid is like some psycho there so American they're so so Morgan right now. We're do you know and I'm like, but there's a whole science about why kids here have food allergies. And that this is their context and like I watched a documentary about food allergies in like how these like this this little kid was talking about how they can never fit to carry different color tray at school and then they have to sit in a different get part of the cafeteria. And then anyway, it's just like there's a guy there's just going to be so so much identity and power and like how do you find an educational institution that can hold some of that especially if you're not I don't know like that stuff isn't super accessible schooling is really consider education is really confusing and like what does it mean to have white teachers teaching you about like like indigenous genocide and like even if they're super practiced in that like do I people really need to be teaching that to my child and like hmm just like I don't even know like all the I'm so overwhelmed. I don't know. I feel like you should just like, dr. Me offline about anything you've learned and I'm just going to write it down then look back at it, you know in moments of Crisis. Oh my gosh. I'm learning all the time and thrown off all the time by all by many of those. Questions and I think yes, we will definitely I'm happy to provide some ideas about how I've navigated all of this but I think one of the things that is really hitting me and hearing what you have to say is just what your threshold and I think this is an interesting question just for this like this podcast in this project is like what is your threshold for experiencing the pain and discomfort of your child, right? You know that that where is your control? Where do you Not have control and you know, those have been big questions for you in your own life. I think that figuring out how we relate to others whether it be our children or our partners or whatever, you know, it's it's almost like it's hard enough having this body like this life experience this body and then figuring out how to kind of like deeply and intimately because all of what you're talking about feels like intimacy to me. It's just like you're going to be so intimately involved in the Child's world making you know, and it's a lot it's a lot to kind of contend with right. It's a lot and and yet it's you're already doing it so but it is a lot and so I mean I appreciate just also for the sake of the people listening, you know, I appreciate you kind of expressing some of your vulnerabilities or questions that you have because they think it's it's it's so common for people. To feel these anxieties and to feel them as parents, you know, it's not it never is really over. Unfortunately. We got that kind of you know is like that thing you were talking about earlier where it's like you said a deadline like I'm gonna feel like I'm a good parent at this point. It's just like no reason that it's there is no deadline. It's just it never ends. But you know, I know there's so much more that we could talk about and I really appreciate everything you've been willing to share and I know one thing that we haven't talked at all about and so for people listening, you know, if you enjoy listening to rage speaking about anything you might enjoy the podcast and so maybe you could just talk a little bit about your podcast project. Yeah. Thank you so much for letting me talk about it 12 hours. It was like the pre baby. Yeah. I was just thinking You know, I was just thinking that it's called bad Brown undies. I host it with one of my closest friends coming up with the Jiggy and condo and I both landed in the states on the same day at Logan Airport, and we met our first day here and went off to a small College in Western, Massachusetts together and You know since then became migrants, which so first We Came as International students and then we became my grandson. I don't think either of us anticipated the ladder. I thought we were I think we both thought we were going to go back to our respective homes and what that meant was that we didn't migrate with people and what that also meant was that we became each other's families and I can tell you that navigating the immigration system is deeply traumatizing even if you have a relatively like in our cases probably what would be considered an easy immigration story of filling out forms and then them being approved, you know, but there's still a lot of waiting and there's a lot of anxiety that comes with fake waiting and then rely on to the gums a really interesting Dynamic like who can you rely on can you actually rely on people like Can you ever keep ever like this feeling of constant gratitude to everyone around you for just letting you be here and having to root yourself and simultaneously constantly prepare yourself for the reality that like you might not be able to and I think Tony navigated a lot of that together. We learned like Medical Systems together and legal systems together and like that's predation together and developed sort of a shared but very we have varied. I mean we're different people we have very different experiences. But something about that shared experience was really really helpful. And when we moved to New York, probably both about a decade ago, one of the things that we constantly felt frustrated about was that all the people that talked about any of the things that we had experienced where white people And people that had an experience them themselves. And so we were kind of it was less for us to talk about those things and more for us to just highlight all the incredible sort of like expertise and wisdom in our community around identity and power and like oppression and art and politics but through the lens of like people who actually experienced it versus like the formal Experts of things and so all of our guests are people of color, which is, you know, there's no dearth of incredible people of color and the framework of Auntie is helpful because I think culturally it's meant different things to different people for us as South Asians and on Diaz, you know has historically been defined as someone who like opposed to patriarchy and like gossips and you know sits in a corner and it's like really like Meddlesome and like there's just all these like these negative tropes and both of us realize that in different ways. Our undies had been the reasons we'd survived and also the reasons that we had like we had struggled and both of us have different definitions of Andy's but I think a lot of the a lot of those tropes are just like patriarchal tropes and so like is Miss major and on D absolutely like is our You know, are we giving honest poolan Devi and I'm Dean. Let me don't know about self-identification, but maybe right like are we really giving aunties the place in social movements and struggle that they should have been given right and like one of our guests talks about Winnie Mandela has their on diem like do we talked enough about Winnie Mandela and like why are the reasons that we don't and especially if now we know that like, Winnie Mandela was the sort of like more radical counterpart to Nelson Mandela but is consistently did sort of described as his wife. It's just, you know, just thinking about yeah, just thinking about the power of queer trans. sis, even women who have upheld have not upheld bit shaky but really challenged it, but then it's been boxed into this Narrative of Yeah of being vacuous or not really talking about substance, you know, and so wanting yeah, it's a long answer but I really really like the process of making the podcast. I don't know how it lands for people at here. And I hope that they like it but it's kind of dreamy to talk to people about where they come from and what shape them not so differently from you. Hmm. Yeah, it sounds like since I mean, it's a it's a really beautiful project and I think a lot of what you just described really comes comes through in in how you are approaching the guests and like a lot of that intentionality. But I yeah, I can relate to that feeling of wanting kind of just wanting to have these conversations anyway, and you know, like for selfish reasons and having, you know, imagining that maybe other people want to hear them, but you know that there's something very Sighing about that. Yeah, and I can I can definitely relate to that I you know, we were kind of out of time and I just want to say thank you for sharing your story and also showing up for this project at a time when you have a lot else on your mind and going on in your body. So I really appreciate that. Oh my God, please says been really really this has been really really helpful for me. And you're a really good listener and I I have such a can't even tell you how much I went from not trusting therapists to loving them. Yeah other complicated process. Yeah, and you know that it's not it's not always like I don't think that everyone is going to necessarily reach that place because that's not it doesn't mean that you interacted with the people that you should have had in your life when you needed them. But I've just had the benefit of some really lovely. Awful people in my life recently and I really appreciate you being one of them. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I really appreciate you too. Maybe maybe maybe.

In this episode we talk about queerness, body shame, disordered eating, Islamaphobia, pregnancy, questions around activism and self care and so much more. Rage does a million rad things and it was truly an honor to interview them in the midst of their last moments of pregnancy. I am inspired by them and all they do, truly. I hope you enjoy this episode. Rage is a queer Muslim migrant from Karachi, Pakistan. They’re a public defender and organizer around the criminal punishment system and prosecutor accountability with Court Watch NYC and 5 Boro Defenders. Since moving to Brooklyn almost a decade ago, Rage's work and activism has focused on queer and trans liberation, immigrant justice, and prison abolition. They are also a visual artist, media maker, hair stylist and co-host/co-producer of the podcast Bad Brown Aunties (@badbrownaunties)  LITQB Podcast: This is a podcast about the barriers to embodiment and how our collective body stories can bring us back to ourselves. This is a podcast for people who identify as queer or for people who might think of their relationship between their body and confining social narratives as queer. This can feel like an isolating experience. Our wounded bodies need spaces to talk about struggles with nourishment/disordered eating, body image issues, dysphoria, racism, heterosexism, transphobia, xenophobia, substance use/abuse, chronic pain/disability, body changes in parenthood, intergenerational trauma, the medical/wellness/therapy industrial complex and its lack of inclusion of queer bodies and much more. Hopefully this podcast can illustrate the connections, and resonant pain points, that we have with one another. Livinginthisqueerbody.com  @livinginthisqueerbody  The Host:  Asher Pandjiris Psychotherapist/ Podcaster/ Group Facilitator  Finding Pleasure in Purposeful Movement with Ilya Parker January 14:  https://www.livinginthisqueerbody.com/findingpleasure  SUPPORT https://www.patreon.com/livinginthisqueerbody    Music: Ethan Philbrick and Helen Messineo-Pandjiris --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/asher-pandjiris/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/asher-pandjiris/support

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They had good story lines is very tight and it feels like this one. They had the two hours. I like the fact that they brought in people from uxt of uxt and annexed to UK. They brought 205. I like the fact that they're bringing in different folks from different I guess platforms, but it just felt a little bit loose like almost like on the Raw SmackDown side of things Hollywood. We think transition means try anything, right? Right. So throw it out there like you knew this is going to be a title change tonight. You need something is going to happen. Right? So today I feel like is a test night because you're still going on the network afterwards. So throw stuff out there see how it works for the first two hours first time see how much time you have and how you can use talent I think was a trial in a sense for tonight for both networks and see kind of give you a glimpse. So what might happen one or two? We just didn't see a lot of like for how many hosts and XT has and I think it's just you know, because we've had host like Johnny's and NXT, right? I think no, I think that's the only one from so far from NXT. Yeah, but we have there we have so many hosts. And I know personally I've so many hosts that got signed to NXT that were not seeing. So it's just kind of like they don't feel like they didn't even utilize them as far as backstage or anything. So, I don't know Jack the entire hour you were kind of like Huh, and I'm going on at the end. Yeah, this is obviously a historic night for WWE for NXT and all the people on it and it's amazing that they get to be on USA. Well to me this show does a little lackluster it feel like I felt like a lot of the matches weren't as exciting as I thought they were going to be I was and maybe this was my fault. I came in expecting a takeover level style of show where they tried to blow people away who were coming in to see This debut of a show and a lot of the matches didn't feel that way. They felt like they would be seen on a Smackdown or wrong answers your question. They'll have you ever seen a Smackdown ago. This is the pay-per-view quality Smackdown or you just say, hey, look this is episode of SmackDown. That's really really good the first Smackdown ever. Yeah fucking pay-per-view the government's really like the vecanoi9 that that like. Yeah. It's a debuting a new show. I mean even Smackdown moving they're getting Brock Lesnar to face Kofi Kingston for the title. They're doing big things and on paper. I like dream versus Roderick strong. Strong I like both those guys and they've had a great match before it this match today didn't feel like it was a special match though. And a lot of those matches just didn't feel special. We had guys who we had people Alia versus exactly as I lie to people who I haven't I don't think I've ever seen wind before on this show. We've had Leo Rush returning which is cool to see against lorcan. It's about all the magic that works just like kind of It didn't like where was Adam Cole I won't have a match tonight was about interesting characters. There's a lot of people on USA Network never turn into the network to watch NXT. It's a different audience in Raw and SmackDown. So for tonight was this is who Adam Cole is and they always show a little vignettes little you know, storyline pieces tonight was about introducing to the mainstream public of USA casual wrestling fan. That doesn't watch NXT on a network to kind of Give him the glimpse of that. I think the match is itself are usually higher quality for NXT. But today they took a backseat in turn for the introduction to characterize. Yeah, but storage needed to be the USA. Our always saw really we saw the for women in the women's matches Greyhounds the first match the my name, which is great. It was great and then dream and strong and then a little tease of the Undisputed are above outside of that. Who did we see like a lot of the people who were a date we saw a lot of actually happened after they switched to 2N it to in Denver. But that's what he wanted. Push. They that's what they want the mainstream audience to know about Adam Cole, you know Undisputed are out the women's division whose you know, who's who's in the running for that? I think that's what they brought in their main kind of Attraction. I felt like that should have been the second hour and in a way in the first hour or two just to attract the the other the UFC audience like, you know, I'm saying like yes, I get the stories but sometimes like it's one of those things where you watch like a comic book. Movie right and the first movie is like all the action and then the second movie is the origin story. So it feels like we should have gotten yes the story of some of some of the folks who we you know with your new tenancy. You don't know but the actions what's going to hook you to watch next week and I should say I don't want to dive more into anything else happen on the show. I like all the people that were on there. I like lot of things that happen. But as a show that was supposed to be a brand new show debuting it didn't have the spark. That I was hoping for personally. I quite don't quite see it that way. I understand. The evolution Revolution will get that to the matches why I feel that way but the number one match off the rip number one contender's match for way dance or sorry fatal 4-way for the organization's. Yeah. Women's Championship currently held by seeing the basilar spaghetti heal your sure. I mean I am young couple are canister a with Candace come out on top TK. I resident women's wrestling expert thoughts about the match. I mean I love I've said this before, you know, Candace is an indie girl. She's He's putting a lot of work. Let me have Bailey on the show. She was talking about Candace how she's excited to see Candace on on WWE. So I'm just hoping well. Yeah, everybody who's watching this as watched and x t so this is not new, but for I guess for new folks. I'm just hoping that they explode they Explore her storyline and she has a really good story line because that's what's going to bury her because she might yes, everybody looks different but you're just going based off a Look she'll just be another blond wrestler. So I'm hoping that they give her a really good story time story. They can you can sink your teeth into there's a good story. I didn't she put over a Gargano for all this time and carried him. Why was it carried him? I mean she was theirs but you're thinking who else would you have had to win this match? I mean we've seen all the other matchups already true. Absolutely true. We've seen it. So this is the fresh new kind of thing. We haven't seen bays are against Kansas like and they've been pushing glory for a few months. So this hasn't been an overnight push. It says been a kind of a well-paced post that's been built properly. And did you see her beating me again? Though. Yeah, I never thought me again was anything. I think her push was kind of unnatural in a lot of ways. He came out of it. She was she was jogging for such a long time than she had a quick rise to the top. And now it looks like it's slowing to go backwards again. So I never thought of her as like a serious Contender but larae fits fits for and at some point Bezos gotta just move to the main roster because he's running out of people at this point, you know some stale with her as a champion. Yeah, but see here's the here's the question that I Of answered by the folks in the writing room. Are they catering to us? The people who watch NXT before we came on USA Network. Are they carrying to the new audience who are wrestling fans, but they're not going to invest in the network. And this is NXT. This is new to them. I will say this the visual image of Kanna slurry is Chandler Bing's in the same frame was like, these are Polar Opposites. I guess you didn't listen. I love that and I agree. I think Laura was the right person for all the reasons already said Visually, especially I thought that just looked great. I am a huge fan of EO sure I so there's this part of me that was a little like my pic didn't win but it was the right move. I guess if you were someone who was a displaced wrestling fan and you were flipping through the channels and you saw that you would say this. Looks different. She looks awesome. The music's awesome. Her style is awesome. I thought that was a great way to start it. I thought this was one of the best matches of the night and I agree with how it ended Ours from the best match the next match with Shawn malouda gets camera Grimes your favorite wrestler. We're talking about him last week right here is very very Shou. Yeah, and this Top Hat get the victory Jack tell me all about that one. Yeah. I don't know Axl Rose. You're a guitarist is here. We found nothing. Way when you lose in 6 seconds, you can sell me on this one. Like well, he's gonna come back next week, you know, like no, we can't unsee that. That's a that's a bad loss. It had. He lost enough 10-minute match or so that gives you a different feel for it. It's like, oh hard-fought win whatever they went at it when you get squashed like that things right away. It's like a jobber. Yeah, even if you're a main event guy who gets squashed by a Goldberg. It's hard to overcome that so when you're a guy who's hardly ever seen who gets squashed by a guy who's only got a handful of matches your that's not good. Yeah, lots of fun. Leather vest please save me Mark Danica the with the wrench. What is what does that mean? He's the maintenance is a moderator the moderator of the chat. I said everybody needs to read. Yeah, everyone needs to go back and watch done versus. Are you a stress? Yeah artists, right? We'll get to that. Yeah, it's gonna match my favorite matches the night. Yeah, but before I move on Jim Alexander, since you're always complaining about the promo on Monday till the world where they could find this after Bush showed other after my shows, welcome back. Google denoted we some cocoa butter right now. We are selling well subscriptions subscriptions to the NXT after show, you know that button up there while I was recovering in Chicago you guys were subscribing constantly. So keep on doing this to support this new crew this flap heel Beto or Jim beat. Oh man that he runs this show we need subscriptions. We need you guys in on the chat talking about it making us the ESPN of hear the TV talking about it. I tuned subscribe and leave us a five star rating. Can you start it strong? Yeah, man. Let's I've been out of commission. Okay, I've been I don't know, you know, excuse me at the end. I loved it because I thought this was one of the matches that felt a little slow to me, but at the end of the day, I've been waiting to see the drape and gold prophecy come true for so long so long and after it happened, I looked to the east I know somewhere in the East and ins looking to the west and we saw each other and we know how to make it finally happened finally happened. So I was super excited wait, so you would ever Roderick strong happened in the East know I where he was in the East he looked to the West kindred spirit here in the west. I look to the east okay, and we were looking at the same star and we said the prophecy finally happened draped and gold finally happened. We were both very happy. I'm pretty sure Evan. I'm sure we were both looking the same direction. Okay, we're gonna be this, okay. Dream loss tonight. It was a mess. That wasn't at a barn burner wasn't a 5 Star match. The last time you saw Velveteen dream. He had a I would say sloppy magic its Corner Reeves is his star fading or is this just a bad bad run for Velveteen dream. Um, I mean, I don't think everything goes through Ebbs and flows. I forgot you can't you can't always be at the top. So maybe they're prepping him for something like you for you guys who watched often and you know, I'm a fan of devil team dream that I didn't really I I appreciated what happened by didn't like the fact that they took the belt but it made sense and that makes sense. Right everybody. So maybe they're just prepping him for something new. Maybe they are doing a call up because they do have the was the roster draft redraft me up in a couple of yeah, so they have that coming up. Maybe they're preparing them for a new storyline because now if you're watching for the first time you mean like wait, wait, okay, there has to be a backstory here and maybe that's gonna start off something totally new. I think he's going They're a coal. I think that will be his position Adam Cole. Yeah, he doesn't need the title. He's so over again. God promised. He doesn't need to type the title is just an accessory for him. Honestly, like this guy is so over you don't need to someone title Roderick strong probably needs a title a lot more than he does to get over but but Velma teams dream is already a maid maid branded guy so he can jump to the main roster and I think we'll do well and he can stay at NXT and challenge call. He you have so many options. With him because the guys good in that sense. He sells himself. Oh, absolutely. I'm just you know postulating here. Yeah. We haven't Pete Dunn and this is actually the second hour. I was on the network. So you had to switch over Pete Dunn takes on Arturo Ruiz in a match that was kind of interesting. I like this one the most solid matches the night, but we haven't really seen Arturo before it was a curious decision putting it on the second hour or so Jim. I want your your thoughts about this you have Pete Dunn. He's established. You have someone who isn't on TV as much to have a great match but decided to put The second hour. So the first the most part I don't think he done should be fighting guys like that P done should be challenging Adam Cole on the top like we've seen Peak Don. I mean if you're watching a UK or not, he's been around even NXT for a long time. We're talking about him, you know him and Tyler bait when they put on that show in Chicago and take over a couple of years ago. I mean this guy needs to be already pushed to the top because I feel for him to wrestle guys like that doesn't do anything for him. He was billed as this manic kind of Bruiser badass from the start. Let's see him Unleashed fully he can be easily the top heel on NXT. So I don't know why he's being pushed to a second our fighting some scrubs put him on top scratch track man. Yeah, I agree. I think he is a huge star. I think the only thing about being a heels I think people like him too much but I thought this was it was a good match. The match itself was good. The problem was we all knew he'd done was winning this match. So that takes a little bit of the Out of a match when you know how it's going to go but I thought it'd help make Pete Dunn look good, but I agree Pete gun needs to be moving on to something bigger and better than just beating enhancement Talent. Yeah, but now the good thing about having the two hours you're bringing other people from different groups different platforms. So you never know what the game plan is and they haven't really unleash the full roster from NXT UK or 205 or was it? Yeah the or two five so you and you don't know who they might be bringing down from are bringing. Across as soon as they down from Raw and SmackDown so, you know, there's a lot, you know, this is the first show trial. So that's why there's so much still more to see. Yeah that makes sense. If you want to show how deep thought it was kind of interesting that this new character more or less as he pushes second hour on the network a small pool. I was just said I think it's the classic example of enhancement Talent where they just really had that much because they wanted Peak done to look good, but they didn't want to make someone they really Like lose. Yeah, so it's a good way to have him win a match without having to cost a bigger member of the roster a match. Would you wanna see more to a rose? Potentially? I mean not like in big spots, but before I move on is now time for my favorite part of the evening is now time for TK's boudoir. The drama song. Yeah, I think it's good. I think it's good for flute. Oboe self-esteem though. It was an epic night between you two what you want to get any cocoa butter or brown sugar scrubs all that good stuff, you know Center and company.com. You can get cocoa butter. There's different variations of Vanilla some mango all that. Rain cloud. Yes, and then also we also have soap there too. So you can check that all out. Now in the Boudoir today. We have Leo rush. I'm dying to know if you guys know in the chat how he can't because he was like departed. Yeah, that's no shot at surprised that picture on Instagram where he's in the hallway and he's like, I'm moving on to bigger and better things and you know now he's back so Leo Rush Matt riddle, you'll sure I and as I li are in the Boudoir today Mandy Rose, Like some Bliss Candace or a to come on. Let's give it up. They're not she's already didn't really - yeah, I think she deserves another run now, especially since she got the contender shot, you know, give Candace Laredo run here PK's Boudoir. Hey, yeah, you're absolutely right and Eros can't be on the sidelines not being a Boudoir or something. Wow, so many roses in a booth. They also need to get a saw. How do I get an ass? I don't know. I feeling so like the next up we had as I lie. No I'm saying no. I'm just saying if you if you made him we would have problems. He did not. I got boo thing of the week stuck in my head that was actually really catchy and that to the wedding playlist. That's that's going in the playlist. So I'm so taken aback right now we so this is real people. So I thought it was I thought it was fine. I like Um, I think these are three people I'd like to see win more so and around more so it's good to see them on nothing about it blew me away frankly, but it was it was good. It was good. I like that spin kick finisher or tornado kick. They called it as a I thought that was a cool little way to finish the match. So we saw As I lie in the Mets on classic and Lee has been resident and XT member get another example of heading fresh talent and he's matchups DK again. Our resident women's wrestling expert. Is there any upside I don't talk about Alia before but about xylene, And how she improved I mean, oh, yeah. I mean she comes from a sense of background. It's not yeah, it's not one of those things where like, you know, she started two years ago. No shade to anybody start two years ago. But since she's been around if you watch the video in class that they actually, you know, tell you tell you about her history the good thing with NXT being on the USA Network. We might be bored or annoyed or just whatever of Alia Bhatt she might gain a new audience. Really? Sure mmm to another level. Do you think that would be regarded as you know, what we or people think of our cows very good point at this point though. Would you keep him keep her with Vanessa born as a unit still or would you try to separating them and re-establishing them as single? It really just depends on who's in the back writing for like we just need a really great like no matter what everybody on this table has a story Drew everybody in this world has a Story theme song and Everybody in this world has a story and you know the went the thing that makes one story more interesting others. Just how it's being told ya so it just really depends on you know, what they decide to take from her story and how they decide to tell it first. That's all good point Good Portal around I am a fan of Zion we have been calling around not even get a point here. Thanks for the question. Okay, geez Exactly, you're waiting. I know Trini boy. Yes. I did take I did get my Boudoir from Christians closet. However, Christians closet and she is would are on two separate shows. Listen. I'm glad he's getting close real Supercar on the same show. I wouldn't have disrespected Christian like that. That is exactly what is happening. No, I'm thinking of disrespect appear he shows up and he can't even imagine it even start yet Jim Alexander thoughts about this. These guys are dominant eunuchs who UK they a short to NXT showing that you were, you know, the young secure and whatever they get involved no match for a guy. I didn't know you had a match set up but thoughts about that. Hey New Blood new town that we get to see right not many people watch NXT UK, you know, that's a hardcore fan base right there. So you see him there fresh to NXT. Even we're talking about new NXT viewers potential with USA Network. Now we're getting newer newer viewers that are coming in from the UK. This is brand new talent and a lot of ice so you can do a lot with them, you know, because they haven't dear Tap potential they have tons of potential here with NXT. I like that. I like the new influx and what they can do without it because they're have a clean slate. How do you feel about cushy to get involved with them though? What about because she I mean do we think he would eventually get up to the main if I love I feel like he's kind of becoming stale and a ready. Yeah, he had a hot start in the beginning had a good look he came in they were promoting him the year. There was a it was a it was an attraction now, he's Fading Into the background and there's something you need to have either a new Feud a new storyline something new needs to help him to give a direction to him because I feel like now he's Kind of falling behind if you're not moving forward you're going back I agree but falling behind but stale you agree Jack with that. Yeah, I he never clicked for me. I just don't care about his matches. There's nothing it's nothing against him because he's done nothing other than just being matches and when he doesn't do anything that makes me feel like I should cheer for him or boo him. I agree with loving that Imperium was there I don't know nothing really about and xtk to be honest, but they blew me away right off the start. Yeah. I want to see more of that. They're respecting the ring the hands. And that away it's all that. Yeah, that whole thing was great. I was more interested in them. When kishida came out then I was with kishida coming out for her which is bad if they're the heels TK. Do you believe it could be just a also see what you are on the yeah. I agree. Like they gave him a great push but I think what is making him fall flat is like they didn't really give him a story and he had a spending Bill. Did you think he needs a manager for a mouthpiece and that sends to is that they re at a point where he needs to start cutting promos and talk your have someone at least out for him because The thing is like what makes a like I'm really big into like listening to like motivational speakers in the morning. Right? And what makes them powerful is that they not only do they motivate you but they also remind you in different ways of what they've been through that also motivates you so the has a speaker. Yes, it could be the same story. But just how that speaker does it and then you're going to be reminded of why you there for him or against him? Okay. Yeah. I just I like kushida. I like Imperium. I'm not sure what this was supposed to establish. I hope it's not a direct. Or line because one guy against for it's going to be very very quickly. But yeah, this is going to be opened up another story line. I'm all for it. Yeah and peering I may seem awesome actually. Yeah, I mean they don't the best merchandise but I would do like that support them watch your video share telephones computer merchandise not from Peru him don't you have Merchant? I have merchandise. Oh, yeah. They're here. Call me the mayor Phillip, right? Yeah. That's it. That's the one see how that works. I just, you know, pass it to you and just teamwork. Yeah, I don't want Teamwork Makes dream or continue. Wow. And it didn't have anything. Yeah. Yeah. I was this was the biggest shock of the night for me. I had no I figured he was done with WWII. I had completely written him off of ever seen. Again, but this was personally my favorite match of the night the way he gets that height on that frog splash the the mix of a low-down and a five-star frog Splash together though because he he does the move but then he also bounces so high I I was really glad to see him Lowdown God. I can't lie. I'm a good deal more cure a wet down there slow down the dealer moves not downloads. He can stop being all weird about that. I fell in love with Leo rush like maybe a year and a half ago when I saw him jump off like the top of a ladder. Into the ring and did some flips and stuff like that. He's just an amazing amazing wrestler and Dylan said in the chat, what could have possibly happened is he was still on contract and almost like Sasha Banks, they just kind of wrote out the contract. He felt like he felt the wrath of it. He wasn't on TV he couldn't do much and he was either you know, okay, I'm gonna ride this contract out and I don't want to do in these because some people are like that or somebody a mentor said, Look just go and apologize. And you know, he apologized to the right person who probably believed him and believed in him in first place and brought him back. That sounds now that thank you Dylan for that. That sounds like plausible. Like what happened? Absolutely Jim. Just thought about Leo rush over going to only size back where he belongs right? That's where he should have been from the start and XT and XT. That's he fits the mold he fits he can work with a lot of guys on this roster. These are today's style Works. He can do to Mike he can look good on him. Like above some of the others here because there are some of them aren't as polished. He never fit in front of main roster. Yeah, I agree with that. He had a good role on a main roster, but you just doesn't fit out. He's too small. It's just simple as that agree with that, you know, you can't have someone like that it try to get over in a match. Yeah on the main roster strowman. We're like Sherman was chasing him and then he did a backflip over hit like like bro just entertaining wise which is better than just being like a gimmick right and that we have any damage and I agree with that. Or put him in the ring and see what he can do, but he wasn't just a gimmick you had to appear like you have to be an athlete and wrestler to do that and they just didn't give him the chance to Showcase auto doing Spock's is not if it's hard not to do spots. If you're a manager right got cigarettes. Your job is a role. They didn't bring him up as a wrestler belongs right now on NXT. I think that's where he can really break out. If something on this roster if he can make it here if you should be in that hotel or just chilling waiting till the contract expired by I agree. I think he'll do better on NXT and that's not even a put-down in. The he's not good enough for the main event roster. I mean maybe whether that's true or not. I don't know but I do I just think the next he's going to fit his style a lot more you'll be able to have those bigger those faster Pace matches. And Truth is the size thing is an issue and he'll have people more his size that you can have more matches with it. What's up? I mean, we have such a guy like Zander who's on the main roster now tragic bigger than yeah. See ya anyway bigger, it's you you have my gosh. God's name final show a class. Yeah, it doesn't that's difficult example, but TJ's right. I mean you dress that is beyond you do have smaller people who Rey Mysterio is the really only original because he had so much storyline and skill set. Like he's just a unique talent. That's why he liked broke cause guys like that need to do that true true. But he when he came in at a time to where he was such a original even in WCW, you know, he just came to different time different place with a different lineage. For Leo rush to caught it in today's the I know they're smaller guys. I mean you don't have the days of giants anymore, right? But still he just never fit in you couldn't find a great opponent for him. He couldn't work a match like you can in NXT potentially any week and he's got multiple storylines available. So they didn't really when he was on Raw they didn't really give him a pony and they feed him opponent because I'm gonna talk peace. It was not looking opponent. If you are managing some right true true. Yeah, they put him in a bad spot. It's hard to be a manager that like him and then suddenly make the jump to singles competition very It's from Singles. That's the whole point. We needed to see him in singles. First to know what he's like exact reason. Why is he we don't know how he would have been on the main roster because they didn't give him that chance. However, the stuff that the little stuff I feel that we saw was good enough where it's like if they gave him a storyline I I would be I would be for it. Yeah. I like I like literally a matter of time he's back now. Hopefully he's learned his lesson. He pleases the right people and you know, it's we're going to definitely think that we're going to see more of him just because he's such a talented individual and XT. I don't think we need to see him on realtalk if he Longs doesn't wear those weird vest but no shirts. I'm fine with it. I was kind of weird to me but you guys have a fantastic Talent can go can talk helped out Bobby Lashley through that that slope here in the spring. So open the best but he gets to win number one Contender for jugal likes title. But only one can get acquit himself pretty well. I'm not really flashy or anything. But Jack farmer, do you think you're still a slot for people to clot? Sean and connect with only lorcan? I think I see him more as a tag team guy. I liked his tag team. Them, I think that's great on his own. I don't know if he brings enough as a singles competitor just because he doesn't have enough to me have enough character. I to me doesn't stand out enough. He seems very Bland compared to a lot of the other people on the roster that do have a lot of character to add but I like his tag team. I think he's good to be on the roster, but I wouldn't do a whole lot of singles matches with many more as you this has a Lance Storm fan because Lance Storm and can be seen as very very boring, but he certainly proficient not comparing school for skill, but I didn't storm is the Great. Of all time there. I'm not going to argue that this agreement. Is there an appeal for being like that kind of straight up? No chaser kind of I'm just gonna go out there and put your head in a headlock and call today. There's a know there's other people who are better than him at that. Anyway, I mean Google apps better than him at that. So if you already have Gulag, why would you need another one? That dude looks like he's a hundred fifty years old. Okay. He looks like he's at a bar like you find him in an Irish Pub. Yeah. Just sitting there. He does not look like A wrestler granted he can work in a ring. I won't take that away from an unbuttoned A Wrestler. No, he does not have an orange as a star though. That's the difference right there. You just have a wrestler. That was the point but here's the thing just got doesn't look like a wrestler. He looks like old uncle and he just boring boring boring boring boring looking boring in a ring solid in the ring, but boring no character no Charisma. I mean that's an enhancement talent for me a guy that could work. You know, I'm a poor man. As William Regal damn. Well, I was going to say only long as my main character or the Cruiserweight division, but that's fine under which the vision you know, Uncle Jim just because Evans not here with us anymore. He's doing bigger things but shout to bury Mac shouts Heidi Mac shouts of the Mac Mac folks all the mattresses. Well the hate our main event. This evening was a street fight definitely happened. Matt real gets cleaned Dane and there's no contest for every faction. The plant on the roster showed up three prophets forgotten Sons Imperium themselves. TK walk me through this on the outs for it. I love when they do the it's good to do it on the first episode because we haven't established who's with who great that makes sense because like I think they did that with Raw and SmackDown you're like wait where they beefing but they're together now like this don't make no sense. So I love that they kind of establish this now and maybe they I love to see them to the numbers of people who bought that the E network wanting to see that second out right? You see that that Revenue but I was for it. I'm excited to see I'm really behind factions and I'm really behind the story lines. They don't now have two hours to do it. So I'm excited to see how we could take from this point and then kind of fan out to different stores drag farmer the whole thing felt like a giant comic book event series Crisis on infinite Earths or whatever, right? Let's talk about that. I love it. I agree. I love factions. I love everyone being thrown into the ring at the same time. It's a mess and it's crazy, but it's Also, just fun to see all these people coming together and duking it all out. So I really really enjoyed it. And I agree. I think it gives the opportunity for a lot of interesting storylines to sort of dovetail off because you can have now killing and Dane recruit the Forgotten Sons to go against a mat riddle and whatever group of guys he gets to help him or and it would make sense and it's just fun to see it was a fun good first episode closer. I got it should have closed. Earlier, but so that's the discussion. We're having outside watching it Jim. There are saying there was maybe that should have been the first hour to give almost a flashbang Overture of the brand. So people tuning in the USA. It was safer the end of the second hour in the network was that the right move or not. It was the right move because when you're tuning in for the first time and you will say you're like, this is too much. It's overwhelming. This is you don't know who's who what are they doing there? Leave that for the diehards, you know who know these guys who are more familiar with them who understand? Ongoing storyline with ritalin Killian that's been going on. So that's that's a good way to push it off to the second out there. Like I said, the first hour was about establishing your top priorities, you know in bringing out your top names on a roster showing a little Back stories. That's what it was. I thought they did a really good job with the first time. We're in left the NXT stuff that's been established already to the second hour. I had no problem with that and a taxi obviously is the best brand would factions. No question. It's almost like when you watch Game of Thrones for the first time and there's just a lot of people and you probably had some people were like, yeah, I'm out. I can't I can't watch your show all this and then you had some people who kind of push through I was one of those people who watched it like literally three or four years later and push through it. But it's I feel like it's one of those things that if they're coming and you're just like a wrestling fan but you you know, you're not going to commit to the network and you're watching this for the first time they just introduced you to you know, since I'm agreeing with Jim there, I'm sorry. He's always so sad. I'm Greenwood. Yeah, just give flow a hard time for doing that. All right. Yeah, you did - it all comes full circle. Everyone's going to agree with me. Globo. Did it globo has completely changed if you look if you follow us on Twitter and you see the the what people are saying flow boat is no longer flow bow. He's like what is called Jim Jim Jim Beatles Jimi toes like he's a totally different person. He's no longer the flow bowl that we won. I love this is a new flow. But still you hear about we talk about the new era the you generations and you have no faith. Dang. I'm a role model. It's the damn mayor. Yeah, and none of us heard of exactly week. So what that is so jealous. All right, there's team TK and team Jack are you saying done? And if not, do we want to see another match with them? M. I don't think it's done but I don't know how interested I am in another match unless there's something bigger. Like I said with adding more people and some kind of War Games type match or like Survivor Series type match, but I don't know if I really want to see them have another because this would be like this was already there second. No DQ match, right, sir. Yeah. Sure. Yep. So, where do you go? That would make it more interesting? I don't know because I don't feel like cleaning has a next opponent lined up not real can go pretty much anywhere, but cleaning does not take any thoughts about that. With Matt riddle. I feel like they should have when you say bro, bra. I feel like they should have put him in the first hour. But I again this is it's this is going to be ongoing. So we have time. I'm just really curious to see what they're going to do with them. I've been excited for him to be on the shore him on the show for a while. I wasn't really feeling the match too much but I think Hmm, I think I was just kind of burnt out because I was just used to the our yeah like butter. The time is just kind of like who nxt's yeah, I was like it was like the I appreciate that was a loose match that I didn't have to watch too much but it's just like okay. This is time where you know your litter getting ready for bed. It seems what time do you want any kind of getting your stuff ready for the next day that was that second hour? Okay, you're making stuff is getting everything like ready. It's like oh, yeah, there's Matt real. All right, cool. Like you know you talking about him. There's definitely some not changing the channel to that makes it feel like we're watching a whole other show now that isn't me feel longer and that's not going to be a permanent thing. But for today, it did feel longer than good morning. I wanted it to yeah. Yeah. We're also talking about the presentation with the extra commercials now that we're not used to being on the network and the aw commercial Dominic's question. So, aw the whole Wednesday night warm, I had a Well in the first half an hour the first our first half an hour of NXT. I mean, you'll Prosper them for going for it. Right? But what does that really mean Jack? Will you think I think it's going to be normal? I we're probably going to see WWE commercials during a ew, and it's probably the last time we see an aw commercial on WWE TV, it's things I think that's normal. It's marketing. It seems smart. Why wouldn't you? Yeah, I just feel like you must be at home. Thinking almond is going the best NAC ever if you're like working Sanford and then the Mumbai's time when your show you must thank goodness. It was in the first hour because TK would have been doing something else Elite. Okay. Yeah, it was an elite move and delete Place big-time move. I feel like those shows are going to be so parallel to each other and so like even the visuals of it. Like when I want to like see a promo for, you know, aw, nice enxt it the look of it even the presentation is so similar to it in the same way. I think these shows are really it's not WB Isis aw, I think it's NXT versus aw because of the feel the style. So it's going to be a legitimate legitimate slobberknocker as they are would say it slobberknocker. Yeah. I mean it's gonna be it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be interesting. I have a feeling W. Probably knew what was what was happening. Maybe not like, you know, they they when you're on the top you don't want competition, right? So now you have now you have a little bit of competition, but it's going to make its going to make it interesting I think is going to push people more and Brandi did say in an interview. You that, you know bring on all the smoke she's ready for it. So yeah, I mean you got to go if you go right after that the top branding I deal with it take me back to another brand new goalie after about eight is USA selling out commercially available and gives the money for that spot right there, you know something that's going to see it. Pitching them against each other. Like let's get them commercials on both so we can keep jacking up the prices and there are contracts you can do to say hey this can't be on this this show but to get out of here Jack farmer told the world where they can find you on social media in other places. You can find me at Jack see Farmer.com for all your DJ MC and event hosting these and you can find me at real Jack farmer across all social media. This is only the beginning of the conversation it continues on Twitter. I will see you there. About me on everything at TK Trinidad you can go to TK trained and.com also had a really amazing interview with Kingbach. The guys know who he is really great actor influence all that good stuff really great interview with that. We also had wpw lot of great things happening for WCW season 4 and also don't forget to check out centering company.com Smackdown lives coming to you the blue brand and I am seeing you guys actually through this so you can see me at the gym Alexander and all social media real talk. For.com. That's Arielle. Come at me. I'm back and I'm healthy entertaining you. I'm a natural face. I'm a half of a voice on Twitter. You're trying to sell yourself as a face or not it and until next time our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos ring like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first would have biggest in the world and world. All destination for all your favorite TV shows, whatever your grave we've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com that our lineup buzz you later. 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I know you like boobs. I know they're amazing. They say to me look at me. I know it's so good. Thanks, Mom. What's up, Warren Stone Nation ready? For some orange therapy? Welcome to week 6, my name is Christian Luger. I'm joined by Ria and Troy. What's up guys? Hey Christian in this episode. We're going to talk to our first Orangetheory trainer whose name is John James better known by as coach JJ if you want to reach the show and give us any feedback. We've been getting a lot of feedback via text via Instagram and most importantly in person. Um, if you want to reach us the you can get us triple five Triple Eight. If you're not on that text list just text the word OT podcast to Triple. Five Triple Eight. You can also get us on email Therapy Orange at gmail.com and we're on the gram as orange underscore therapy. The other cool part of this show that's taking place is we have our first sponsor. Yeah, and it's from a sports bar company called Shiva. You're welcome for having big boobs. So I want you to stay tuned because Rita's got a big boobs story because she tested the she fit bra and we have a discount code just for orange therapy. I've listened for sure. Sorry small-breasted ladies were working on another solution, but as I understand it you guys have a lot of solutions already. So it's true last last thing housekeeping. I wonder if you could review us on Spotify that would be great. We've got like seven reviews a big shout out to Jennifer which Jennifer is hyphenated last name. Yeah. Ferguson Jen Ferguson. Yeah, Jen Ferguson Jen is a member of OTF Smyrna. I believe that their home studio. She wrote us an actual review on iTunes. So take initiative and Jennifer if you get to finish the review, that would be cool to then. There's one person who left this a two-star review in charge. Trey has a message for you trade. What message do you have for the two star reviewer and second bitch? Bye Felicia, ah, oh, you know her name her name is Felicia. Like how unfortunate for you? Oh Felicia working out next to me this week. Oh missed you missed a golden opportunity, bye-bye. So this week at Orange. There was The 500-meter Benchmark or neuro. Travia. How do you do and how do you feel about it you go, so I just want you to know I finished number one in my age group. Yes, I appreciate that age group is under 25. Yes. Exactly. We should drink to that. Okay, hold on hold please. Yeah, so I finished and look me in the eye though. You know, that's like seven years of bad sex. Oh, no. I'm not taking my eyes off you. He sure is very scary. He's not gonna have sex at all. I would die. Okay, so I won't know another PR exactly. I that was a PR at 1 minute and 18 seconds flat and 20 times and how you say when 1828 to wait 10.0 but you okay what Japanese so wait you good? What was your best before 123 think I think it's great that so that's really good. Yeah, I Road until I just couldn't go anywhere. You gonna barf. Yeah when I got done I would like my throat is dry. What wrote what like number were you and I know I actually was at Cumberland Yeah a different Studio. I was I think I was on 13 because of the coach. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So 13 Lucky 13. That's Taylor Swift's favorite number so it proved. Okay. I'm glad that no tells you that my time was shitty. First of all do not do a benchmark on a Monday and especially don't do a benchmark on a Monday after you and I had a very tough weekend and Rugged Maniac. She was sore I was on my bruised all to hell. I look beat up that what that is. Everybody real is wearing a black tank top and she's got bruises all over her own. So she got out of a USA or Lifetime movie. You should see the other guy. I think so. I don't I don't remember really before I think my last time was 134 it but I couldn't look it up. I couldn't look it up because the thing was down. Okay, but I did one thirty-seven point two. I mean at 6 a.m. On Monday, I was tired and we had a rough week. We did we went so I really want to do it again. They'll come on. Maybe I'll just do it tomorrow. I'm going to be a Nails class tomorrow. Maybe I'll just do it get it. I'm gonna redeem myself get it. So what did you do? I'm sorry 118. Okay. So that's what I care where you are. I don't know that I'll hit that anytime in the near future. Yes, and I saw that I'm trying to catch that. What do you improve by six seconds of this thing to make it happen appropriate math switching speeds a little bit want to get into a little mushy on Instagram the handle Orangetheory motivation posted a story. About a woman named Natalie who's fighting breast cancer her brother Drew made a playlist for her and the whole class did a drive try to it because she really she really wanted to be there and she couldn't but the post said her surgeon was there her friends were there her family all showed up. They don't mention the the the studio her home studio. So if anybody knows the studio text us, it's triple five AAA will have a link to the Instagram post and the show Notes, but sorry I want to ask you. What is it about Orange Theory Fitness that creates like such a family atmosphere when you're younger and you have all these sports teams and things that it's a little family like your sports team. You'll never forget the like the kids that you grew up with playing football or swim with her baseball or whatever and as an adult. I don't think you really have that. So people are all in there all different levels, but still sort of going through the same things and working through, you know, kind of their own personal But you come together and you experience the same workout no matter where you are really in the world. So I think that helps and there's kind of that online community of people cheering each other on just want to go better for everybody. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know we can say look better than that. Yeah. Thank you Maria get it. Welcome. That's awesome that first of all like I work with Physicians that her surgeon was like I'm going to take the time to come and and do this workout with you. That's that's amazing. So shout out to you. You doctor so we'll post the link in the show notes for Instagram is Instagram post and then if anybody knows where Natalie's from which studio Texas triple five AAA it so we can give her a shout out and send Good Vibes her away. Yeah, because she'll be awesome. So moving on I want to go into show errors and omissions occasionally. We start a story about that. I should our chemistry between the three of us is so amazing that It off on these tangents and we forget to finish our story. Remember that last week. We started a story about a 40 when I was added and I was editing the show and we got off on a tangent about Trace Southern Roots. So we've gone over bullet belts and Buggies, but we forgot to tell you about before T. We are can you tell the audience the riveting story of the 40? Well back to Margaritaville right on it was supposed to be Margarita Friday's. Cause I was like, I'll just abort that's what we're drinking this week and we're drinking them again because it was so good. And so I said I'll pick everything up on my way. And so you gave me this list of stuff and I went with my buggy dad and so I could only grab a beer which is what the list said, right but it is I've never bought one beer. I usually buy like a six-pack. We all took it literally. She's like a southern evangelist biblethump on Beerus and tell me we're gonna buy Six beers buy a six-pack if there are any churches out there that need an evangelist. Rhea is a literal East trip textures triple. Five Triple Eight. I was trying to save money. Okay, so her venmo account is so I I found that they have single beers and so I picked up a 40 of Corona and I put it in a brown plastic bag because I'm Claudia walks into my house like she just got off a construction site. She's got a little brown paper bag with her 40 and a bottle of tequila. Yeah today. She walks in with another 40 Corona but to emphasize that joke, she walks in with a glass 32 ounce of Medela look from the girl behind the counter like what the hell so I'm sorry. It's our audience for forgetting the story about the 40 That's the riveting story of the 40. Okay, so I had a random thought of the week re-entry. Why don't people eat microwavable popcorn as much as they used to I feel like we used to eat that all the time. I don't think it is bad for you. We are waiting for the popcorn maybe both that can we like that really is a very random thought about microwave popcorn. We didn't answer the question. We know we never do. I don't know why question is crazy. This is why I was not popular in school because this is the ram of the ship or hero for the week. So if you're not familiar with Zero Hero we look at the Facebook meme group that Peter posted. It basically says what? What's your favorite motivational saying from one of your Orangetheory coaches, we pick two to three out each week and then rear tray give it a zero or hero. So this is I think it's Elliot Atkinson says that coach Jason Z of alt Richmond Orange Theory, which I looked it up before the show is in Trafford England. It's a it's a suburb of the greater Manchester City area Okay, the quote that coach NZ says is take your time but hurry up. Yeah take your time with that. But hurry the hell up. You have an iced tea you heard what nice to know that means to be nice. But nasty. I've never heard that another one of your said that you know, it's almost like saying bless you. So take your time, but hurry up as a hero. And yeah, that's like in a tornado or something when you're trying to get off the treadmill, but like you need to wait. Yeah. Well, I also kind of need Hey, bitch move. Yeah, I'm curious because he's British. I'm curious if he likes says it like an upbeat accent or it's more honest truth sophisticated hurry take your time. But hurry up. How would you say it and I'm pretty good time. I just know you don't pronounce the team, Tennessee English draw. The next one up is Michael hardens coach. He doesn't say who's coaches. He says you're jogging and running is still faster than your couch. No, I still don't like it. Yeah, no. Okay. So that's a whack. Don't say that. We're going back Brianna. Brianna. Barta says that coach Megan Anderson of Grand Forks North Dakota says you believe in Santa Closed for eight years. You can believe in yourself for one minute all out there a medium. Do we have a son? No, I'm the tiebreaker if y'all split. Okay. I am a hero. I'm a zero. I'm going with hero because I would like to piss myself laughing. Well, yeah, I mean, that's my mom. That's pretty awesome. I believe in myself for a minute. Yeah, I believe in myself for a minute but like why bring Santa into it, but that's the point Santa is This magical has no kids and orange there. Yeah, we like 16. I don't know. All right. Well that know we're going to move on. So John this guy jars really kind of these kind of weirding me out this week. So he posted a on Orangetheory memes which Rio probably knows I'm going with us about his balls. I saw that. Oh, okay, and he says for the men the rower I've had I can How many times I've had my balls fall under my underwear and I actually required to them. Are you bragging or complaining what you thought was funny? Here's what I can't figure out. So I'm Still A Guy. Yes, Trey you go Commandos to that can't be qualified as falling out. I don't think he made actually found in held. That's what I'm trying to understand. Like I wear like a compression type. Wonderful. Yes. It's meant so nothing can fall out. Oh, I'm trying to figure out some restrictive. Can you help me with the logistics of this? Like if you're wearing anything? How does it how do they fall in unless you have like elephantitis of the balls? Well that too but I think my understanding is he's wearing like short shorts and it's going to lay it out and it's falling out like with the built in mesh and I think it when he wouldn't be that's coming out. That's disgusting. I'd rather get crumbs on his sweaty. I got crap contested this morning again. I'd rather deal with about them have to like stare at We Poppin out the side of their running shorts. Oh, we're really wipe it down. Well, I mean at the end of the day look if he's blessed he can't help that but just know to cover it our big balls really blessed depending on what field you're in Rio about balls. I don't really care about balls why I mean like as long as they're there oh, oh they're fun to play with but like I don't you just don't need big bowling balls. I don't this likes that they're familiar there that okay there and like you can kind of go like, okay. So do you like bones trade? Do you have a preference on testicles? You know for me? I'm very shy I don't like to discuss that whatever but so he will have another drink so I don't know if that's okay. So it depend on what Happening. What do you know? I'll leave it at that. Yeah, it depends on what's Happening when I see some time with the mental and the way and sometimes you might need them really think about hard time thinking about those of you out there. Wouldn't you like to know do you hear me? Move it on I'd also like to give a big shout-out to the Orangetheory memes Facebook group. They just crossed 25,000 members. Yeah, and I would like to point out that it's 25,000 active. Members there's a lot of groups with a lot of people who don't participate very actively and we're actually going to have co-founder of the group Christian Puerto on the show next week. Yeah, so we'll have an interview with her. So one of the ways for you know is re-entry can attest to the show considering its a side hustle is pretty organized and we have a board where we keep the random ideas that we get for the show one of the ideas listed. From Rio this week is just says colored leggings and vagina sweat. Wow. It says nothing else but that on the board, so I'm assuming really did it. Actually, I don't know but I was soon it's not tray. So we are my question for you is what would you like to say about colored leggings and vagina switch honest when I just grew up tell me more. You've never seen vagina sweat in the gym. No, I'm not looking at that. I'm looking for a ball sweat. So here's try now. You just made it and here's the thing. So I order fabletics. Okay, just like take $50 out every month and I forget about it and like three or four questions by and so I like branched out of black leggings. That's what I normally this is a subscription box just for like yes, like liking it's outfits. Okay. I'm okay. So like they I just get like shirts and pants. Okay, but they have cute stuff and like it's a little different but I normally get black. I have a couple of colored ones and every time I get him, I'm like no so I got navy blue and I'm like, I'm branching out navy blue. Yeah, and I would and I walked in and my my workout Pi C was like oh and I was like, all right. Look, I'm gonna go through this and I the first workout I'm like, oh these are never wearing these again because you can actually see like sweat stains around like your beauty and your vagine and but like Gene Gene and so I'm like, no, it's not just me because you can see it like there are lots of ladies who maybe are Super Body confident that we're colored leggings but underneath the orange lights. Oh, sometimes it only dark colors are like is it pink or something? Like anything besides block anything besides black? What about white it takes a brave girl. So there are some so like coach Nikki. Yes and Coach coach. Nikki has a pair of white pants and she can rock them. She has amazing booty an amazing. Like I say, just get a quarter get a quarter at a bow. It's right off sure. So there are some people if you look like her you can wear whatever the hell you want to wear, but most people don't look like that. Okay, so was it the color of the manufacturer that was not necessarily manufacturer but like a color you will see like sweat stain. So even I'm not going to say her name, but she had on some shorts from Lulu the other day and they were peach-colored and you could they were peach-colored and you could see sweat down like way booty crack. I've just lost my appetite. Could you just saying like he got to be careful about the color? Well, you should talk about what are we doing it again this week and made to the Rugged Maniac which is a 5K and we went out like 25 obstacle 25 obstacles over the course of 3.2 miles. Yes talk about those that we serve as a girl in front of us as were climbing over obstacles were like, oh my God, and I think that she had on like peach colored lights and This Rugged Maniac. It's all these obstacles plus the orange Georgia Clay. Yes and divide because you have to go through mud pits. And so this poor unfortunate girl had on light-colored pants and then this orange clay and it's just just looked naked. I was like, she's nice. She's not naked. It's not good. We have some pictures of that. So yeah. Pictures of it when I posted that it was horrible. It was not good move it on. So this week. What is your intro music? You guys did very well last week me to go first this time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, three two one go. I'm going back to back by Drake. I was going to have a drink sing too. Okay, but I'm not least. I don't have to bleep myself out on the show this week. Well, maybe I will what is it? So no, I was I was feeling Rihanna this week. Okay, you know who doesn't have Rihanna songs boo Instagram and she loves her but if you can't Instagram something like is it worth saying I agree? So I was going to say Rockstar 101 as my intro music. Okay, then she says like make sure you forced me good technical. Yeah. Yeah, I like that song and then I'm wearing mine out. Because art for my all out song it was going to be S&M also by Rihanna, but they don't have it. So I'm going wait a minute. I thought we just do one song free. I know my song is going to be the princess herself Brittany talk. Wait a second. So are we going vertically toxic or one of the other reactions are no super losing out on my votes. Just so for me. I'm going to go with The Lion King Beyonce soundtrack shocker mood. I'm in a home and if you don't know that song my van, you know, when I woke up it is the her version of Hakuna Matata. Okay, let's do some listen to it. One of the things we're going out. We're talking about trade. Do you remember Columbia House? Music Club? Yes, I was the bait. Being on whether or not to bring this up because I don't know how much of our audience would remember Columbia house. But when just had a flashback, yeah basically for if you were probably born after 98, you may not remember Columbia house, but basically what they did is they tried to lure you into their Club to get more revenue from you by giving you usually 10 CDs for a penny. Yes. So the question I have Trey Andrea is of the ten CDs you got for a penny. Do you remember one of the first ten you got there can be a house. You do. Can you name it? It was Jessica since Simpson country album really because I was like, oh, let me test it out. And by the way, very good record. Mmm. Really? Do you remember won't just one you don't need to get this off. I remember and I liked was En Vogue which one it was a single and I actually liked the back. It was like something about stars. I'm shooting are Wishing on a Star on the back was like I said the song number two, but it was oh so I remember 8 of the 10, but I'm going to go with Jen blossoms new bills herbal experience new miserable experience as going to have to look that up. They only had like, I think they're one hit wonder if delicate involved here. We have like a slumber party, but did a dance to it and everything. Yeah, it was good. Thank you does not invoke have a problem. Is it that take the child's getting together again? FYI? Whoo? Get back together. It's definitely child. Hmm. One of them died. That's Lisa Left Eye Lopes. I'm it was a girl's group. So we're like TRC. Oh, yes heart TRL. No nothing on there. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So who's left Lisa Left-Eye Lisa Left Eye Lopes And your chili that is so appropriate. Although the hell are y'all talkin? I'm chilly. Oh God. I know who she is, but she's married to her. Sure. No, she didn't get married. No. Oh they do. Just for two dollars a day. You can save another Soul. I'm gonna just get to know I haven't seen you in two days this morning, but we were both like yeah, we had to like just get in the work has hired so hard when you're like breaking records, you know, you know, are you sore this week my butt hurts it does Troy's been on a cruise boat crew has been hitting up grinder all week and photos very sore. I don't know what that is. That is the gayest thing. I said I'll show I don't know her so we're going to close to another show. So Rhea we are very fortunate to get our first sponsor. Its Chief it bras. Can yeah, really? Can you tell us a little bit about your own your rack and unique challenges you have with it and how you solve your problem. Was she fit and then we'll talk about what we have our listener. I would first like to start this out by saying they're real. Yes, they are and I know you like boobs and they're amazing. They say to me look at me. I know it's so good. Thanks. Mom. Mama, do you coming in strong? Yes, we were talking about running and like getting a black eye and how many yes, you don't want to get a black eye. So I normally wear two sports bras a tank top. Yes, and then a tank top or a shirt like a credit card just to like hold these puppies down. Yes. And so I got a tip they were like, well, why do you not wear a bra? I'm like, I wear $16 bras anyway part of the problem. So we had the opportunity to reach. Out to she fit and I actually purchased two she fit bras and they are like front clasp Bean with a zip. So it's actually kind of hot if you didn't like, yeah for those who don't like role play you go work out in the morning and at night and then your red bottoms and then you have your she fit and then You like oops the slipper slipped and make sure my babies are protected. Yes, which I didn't think that I would like but I'm actually dig it and then it's zips up zipper and a zipper. So like these things it is like Kevlar. They're not going to move around. Yeah for the audience. There he is not working law enforcement. What is kevlar? It's like what they make a bulletproof vest out. It's like what I guess if you want to make sure you don't get shot in the eye. Okay make sense. So I I tried that and like the girls did not move around and the cool thing also about the bra is its adjustable. So like it across the top not that I'm doing this like people can see but yes, we could I can't see her go ahead and so you can kind of Of keep it Loose until you're ready to ready to really roll. Okay, and then you just go. All right, go all out drank you're ready and just like boost them. So when I say 30 seconds before all out, you can't you just just said so the problem that solves and I've heard a girl say those before is basically when you're the typical way that girls had to wear sports bras that were well-endowed is it's like a compression that feels like it's choking you it does and so you're telling me this kind of solves that problem. Yeah, it does not feel like that at all and it's adjustable like around your around your Okay, like around like the around part and then across the top two on your shoulders, like that was really good and then so once I bought it and I was like we should reach out to these people just to see like can we get a discount because it's actually like it works. Yeah, and so we reached out to them and they were super excited to partner with us to give like basically discount code for our for our listeners and they also then sent me a brand new bra and you're like don't even talk about out this until like August 16th or 13 or something. It's called The Valor and The Valor is actually a little thinner bra than the one that I bought so less Kevlar ish but still like holds everything together and I actually really love it. There's no seams so I can see like wearing a lighter shirt with it. The other one. I probably would need to have a black shirt. Why just because you'd see seems girls don't like seems, you know, you don't want to seem around your boob girls don't want seems no bra. In general like if your boobs look like a cone. No, thank you being so guys if you want to try it out go to she fit.com and also follow me on Instagram if you get a she fit.com and on your order, it's 10% off the entire order just answer orange like the color orange ee the number 10 and it'll be ten percent off your entire sheet order and I did just see to that they have some payment options. So then if you get a big order and you need to kind of break that out, so yeah. Yeah, I saw that I was like I've never really seen that on the e-commerce store. It's pretty cool. So that was cool. And I mean, they're not telling us to say we're just talking about it. And what's the other thing? Oh, they are introducing leggings. So it's all it's cool. They were on Shark Tank to and that's how they got a lot of their funding and that every single one of the Sharks actually went to back her. So it's a female owned company so good and she said go to see fit not come there also a histogram of she fit. 10,000 it's okay. If you're driving right now just text this triple five AAA and we'll send you the discount code. But if you can write it down, it's orange 10 now enjoy the interview with Coach JJ JJ. Welcome to the orange therapy podcast. How's it going today? What's up? It's awesome. It's hot and annoying. But I am blessed It's oddly man. Where are you? I am home right now here in Atlanta. So I just left from the Outside of the pits of hell and it's I wore the wrong outfit. What if the world that what outfit did you wear and what would you have worn clothes period is the wrong outfit definitely and what I have would have worn was staying inside with AC. So JJ just so you know this ahead of time and for the audience is that if it sounds like my to co-host are blushing it's because I've got your Instagram profile up on the screen and I feel like I'm sitting The two teenage girls are over here going screams. Everybody wants to follow along while the interview him. It's instagram.com John James ATL. Make sure you have the glass of tea. Oh my God, follow me girls do oh geez Louise know that is the after six pm Instagram Instagram. Would you like us to her? Fitness inspiration and your kids are in the room and change and JJ daily fits. We follow all of yours. We like this one. Yes, so we'll include both in the show notes JJ you're in Atlanta. Now, where are you from originally born and raised 80 alien. I was born here right in the city at what used to be called, Georgia Baptist hospital now Atlanta Medical and then I went to I've only Left the city to live in Tallahassee to go to school at Florida A&M. So in Tallahassee, oh me I'm a Tallahassee laughs see I went to Florida State who would have thought I am. Yeah. It's right across the street. That's awesome. I played I majored in music. So I picked up an instrument in fifth grade. When I was 9 years old the trombone and I started learning from there every year since then I was in the band through middle school high school and then got a partial scholarship to Florida and went down there and that was literally the only College I applied to I got accepted. And I went and I stayed for two years. And so that tuition caught up to me and I came back to Georgia State and went there and pursued major major in music education and performance. So awesome. My sister actually marched. She's marching Chief so Outsourcing. Yeah, and I was in band too, but not in college. I played the trumpet in French horn. Trainer, where's your home studio considered? My home studio is Smyrna it is. Okay majority of my classes are at Cumberland. But I also teach at Sandy Springs as well. Okay. Got it. JJ. What do you what do you love about coaching in the Orangetheory world to be in to be an inspiration to learn? So I even if you follow me on Instagram Instagram, you'll see I'm here to learn here to teach them here transpire and I Everybody you never filled up your brain with knowledge and information and as long as you're open to learn and as long as you're open to spread that information, that's kind of my motivation every single morning you have maybe the same people but they're there in the different day. You know, they might be feeling different. They might be have more sleep one day or they might have experienced something in the last 24 hours that changed their life. So if you're a part of that progression then why not, you know, give them what you know, yeah, I will say a little back story about about you JJ, is that when My daily P. I see Lisa and I started Orangetheory you were on like your second or third day there right as I say. Yeah, so you showed us around and you were you're studying to become a coach and things but you welcomed us every single morning and we're a light for us every single day loved it you and your energy and you had all these amazing signs and art and it was just a different experience when you were there and we miss you at the front but are excited for you. As a coach to yeah, thank y'all so much and as I do miss you all dearly dearly, so I appreciate when you guys come and pop into the Cumberland or if I you know, take a class over at Smyrna and you guys are there. It's always a pleasure to see also, I mean, I remember when you guys came in like it was yesterday course, that was like my first week there. I remember when Trey came in he called me and I don't know if you remember but still have that card. Still have that like it was it was something that I wasn't at all and he's got super quiet. I don't know who he is, but he comes in he runs he rose he leaves. Is that every morning? I write a thank you card or node or an email to somebody before assuming I get up and so what was going on is I'm going to the 5 a.m. Class and everybody at the front if you've gone to one of those morning classes, like it's a miracle that we're all there in the first place. And so everybody's like kind of tired and zombie but James is there like Pepin everybody up at 4:45 five o'clock in the morning and after like a month I was like Mostly, he's a special recognition to make that transition so coach Nikki again. I mean that she's one of my besties and we teach dance together and she's the one who told me our stories about, you know taking as a member and then eventually Transitioning into being the coach and it really inspired me. And so I said hey, you know, I'm I do group group classes by teaching dance. So I'm already comfortable with that setting on what do I need to do to get in the coaches? So she explained everything the logistics of getting a certification National certification didn't going through the actual Orangetheory certification and at the time orange theory was not looking to hire any coaches to put any more in the schedule. So that's why I took the essay position Shannon was looking for help at the fund s Scat Smyrna and so I went there now with that said the entire time I was there. I was observing. I was watching Finding, you know, what coaches did different how our members responded to certain coaches what they like he didn't like and so I really was just pocketing all that information taking notes and then when it came to about eight eight or nine months in so this is all August. I started in January of 2018 behind the desk and then about August or September. I got my Ace National Asian for group fitness and then you have to go through a Orangetheory certification to learn the ropes Jennifer for everybody out there. What is the a certification? I don't know what that is. So the a certification is a national nationally recognized group fitness and also personal trainer personal training certification that you pay for your curriculum. They give you all of the reading material all of the online material you can either to either take your practice test, but it's really just grooming you to be a professional. Colonel fitness instructor, whether individual or with group. It's very difficult very hard. I mean you have people's lives and helping your hand. So to be quite honest with you, I felt the test the first time I took it and I filled it and it just made motivated me even more and I went back. I took it a second time and aced. It pun intended got my service. We got to go through ten classes where you are being shadowed and or evaluated before you can't actually be put on the schedule in that time. Head coaches come in. They ask the members how you doing? They come in and they want you to observe you you have to make a certain score 90 points on a on a evaluation is very strict. You have to say things at the right time. It's very time specific. Yeah, you gotta watch her poems because I realize we learned in episode 1 she gets turned on by language arts. As I'm looking at your at your John James ATL Instagram upon I'm looking at you that don't know what that is. I think you're gonna like what we climbed up. Anybody else like music and where we were climbing up those that that's what we have in mind right now is something Mach line, which is a macrame. He called me that basically but I brought some some fancy food last week, which was cheese with like Prosciutto wrapped around it. And he was like, oh, I know he's like, I'm not eating that food. And guess what? I brought him this week and he wasn't and he ate it right away. I did. No, I'm Rhino when it to be served. Okay, we're done. Crush the ATF test case you no pun intended. Uh, so and then you're doing that. So what other jobs do you have right now besides being OTF coach, right? I'm going to keep this limited because we don't have a lot of time. But with that said my livelihood is in dance and choreography and dance instruction. I'm moving all the time. If you ever taken my class, I'm very particular about the music that I play because It keeps you moving that keeps you motivated. So every once in a while, you catch me over on the side doing a dance move. But yeah, I dance for a living and many different aspects. I could I teach kids I teach adults walk in classes, but I also have traveled the world because of debt. So I'm very grateful JJ. I want to I want to ask you. How did you get into Dance? I mean ATL's got like a really strong hip hop scene in was it like that from the get-go for you? Did somebody like push you into it knows it was a transition. So I grew up in a musical Family. Come on Mom was a vocal major and all of my mom's side of the family grew up singers or producers are instrumentalist. So around my high school age when I was still in the band or what not. I was pursuing being a producer and a songwriter mentored under a few major producers here in Atlanta to bounce around in different Studios and things like that and it wasn't until I went it to Tallahassee went to school in Florida and him and started learning choreography while playing an instrument while in the Florida heat. It was just one of those things where I like this. Hey, I have rhythm I guess so why not and when I came back I was 20. I was 19 years old around 20 21 years old. I took my first day at school ass from JJ. You have a lot of Rhythm. Wow. Well, let me know. Equally diverse home. I mean I listen to everything a fan of country fan of Rhythm rhythm and blues Soul funk all of that kind of stuff. So it's a lot of Rhythm in the house to just siblings do something. Yeah, I grew up with two older brothers five and six years older than me who kind of have rhythm, you know, my oldest brother is not really the dancer my little brother. He loves to dance battle me with liquid. Courage encouragement and then I now have two younger brothers for my from my father remarrying and I'm not sure if you've seen him but my dad just come shows up to OTS Smyrna all the time don't ya with that said I didn't die not so much anymore because I'm not behind the desk. Okay are but when I was there like every day he would he would come a very even I think we're didn't you do then you win that painting I ever say did I won and donated it? Yes, because your family has a foundation. Our baseball great kids for kids baseball and so I dad painted a super awesome picture. Yep. There it is. We just pulled out a picture an old picture of you and your dad. It's so cute. Did you play baseball? Yeah. So before all this dance and music I was on my mom's side was music. My dad's side was baseball. So my great-grandfather play baseball for the tray and leave. Memphis chicks back in the day and he was actually drafted and played in the starting roster. The Boston Red Sox went with the first the first baseball game ever played in Yankee Stadium from that point on my grandfather all my uncle's everybody played baseball. My one of my uncle's was drafted to the minor league team under the Cleveland Indians my so now currently my dad and his oldest brother my oldest Uncle run a Folks family baseball foundation and it is encouraging the private instruction and group instruction of underprivileged kids who may not necessarily have the funds to bother you maybe goes away. Yeah get the equipment that they need to get glove donations for gloves and hats and all kinds of things. We don't have the time or the parents who don't have the transportation or the reliability to get them to a Rec rec league baseball practice. Practice or things like that travel ball is a huge thing. Now, they provide that service to be able to train them and prepare them for high school tryouts or even you know, getting into college and things like that develop them to be the better players. So yes the folks family baseball foundation. And yeah, so that's it. My dad's is really been working through that if somebody wanted to donate balls or gloves or bats or mean, how would they how would they do that? Well, my dad's very Believe it or not on Instagram and on social media so you can go to his Instagram or Facebook page and it's folks baseball and it felt fo WL kaes baseball all one word. Facebook will be the best way to get in contact with him or find out as far as donations for equipment gratefully. We've had a lot of orange to your members who have come in with, you know, their kids youth baseball gloves and things that they don't use anymore. It's just sitting around in the garage and the attic I mean, Anything if it's usable, it's accepted and appreciated. So we also take money monetary donations the other store or quick. Sorry, I went to get behind his you have pictures on your Instagram story of you dancing with Luke Bryan at the CMAs. Yes. How did that? How did that come about and what was it like so I'm Ali is is is nashville-based. It's one of the hugest things. I mean, especially for dancers dancers in Nashville very talented, but there's a small pool in comparison to like saying Anna La New York, whatever over the past about nine eight half to nine years. I've been building a relationship with the choreographers and dancers up there. So when auditions happened I am there, you know, I don't mind making that three-and-a-half-hour, you know, whatever drive to get there in 2016. I believe is my first experience with the CMT Awards dancing for Jake Owen. And that was a lot of fun and then I became is really good friends with the choreographers who work on major gigs like that. Like I said, it's a small pool. So usually when they have something like that there is a go to set of choreographers or you know people who they want to pull into these events. So anyway with that said went up there and I'll just say that in any kind of TV or exposure you have to Luke Bryan and his personality and whatever he's exactly like that like, he's the greatest he's super cool super nice and a lot of fun to work with he shows up. He's a hard worker. He's at every rehearsal that he's required to be at and then he just rocks the stage. Infectious personality and it's really cool and I'm grateful to be able to share the stage with them change. It sounds like someone else we know that JJ. Can you give everybody listen like a little behind the scenes? Like is it like once you get called by the choreographer? Like is it you're in or you have to try out? How does that work for a big award show like that? Well, it depends on what's going on how much time you have to prepare a lot of times for something like that. You'll have an audition where you'll pull in, you know, however many dozens. Of dancers looking for a certain look height dance style choreographer gives a either exact choreography or they'll give a idea of what choreography is going to be on like be like on stage a lot of times especially in country music. You have to know how to partner if you take a look at his most recent that or that specific performance Luke Bryan at the 2019 CMT Awards. There was a lot of partnering a lot of tossing a lot of lifting turning so obviously with guys you got to be strong. You gotta be aware of how to do, you know dance with someone Else so they take that in account this one in particular. We were on kind of a time crunch. So they pulled in people who we had already either worked with or that we knew were able to pick up that type of choreography. Okay, and we all just kind of a lot of us were from Nashville summer. I mean not a lot of us were from Atlanta if you were from Nashville as well, but all signed under the same agency and so we just worked in got into to rehearsals and then hit the stage and just knocked it out. So only two that was that was a I mean you guys were on different levels. I saw that and yes yes to rehearsals and then life that's amazing. So interesting my senior year MTSU in order to graduate you have to do an intern with the CMA Awards and I was assigned to Tim McGraw and Faith Evans. Okay, Phil. Sorry, but yeah, I remember sleep. So people may faith. I know it's cool. Oh God, I will say though speaking of Faith. She is gorgeous as far as she walked in with just a tank top white tank top and a pair of jeans and flip-flops no makeup, and she still look Flawless still right there. So JJ we're back on we're back on your profile. We're looking at the picture of you and after Jersey from when you were a little league with your dead. And then Trey asked me to keep scrolling. So I'm very curious. Your body is ripped. What is your secret? So what is your secret a huge like strict Dieter? Not welcome. Everybody's pissed at him. But here's the thing. Here's the thing and I'm going somewhere with that. So I feel like if you don't if you overthink it, you can either take yourself too far or never get to where you want to be and for me. I feel like I take it day by day or take a week by week. Obviously genetics, obviously life experience like things are different for different people. But for me, what works for me is just eating smart. I've never been a crazy like indulge or when it comes to food. I don't always have a sweet. Tooth when I do I'm very conscious of it and I prepare myself like okay if I'm going to eat something that's crazy out of you know out of order like a huge cake because I go in like if I'm indulging I'm gonna eat the whole cake not just a slice like I'm Garfield status. So yeah once but I'm very active I dance, you know, I dance I stay dancing. I'm in the house. I'm grooving them to step in. I'm even when I'm coaching recently. We were as at a coach's meeting for coaches to wear heart rate monitors while we are coaching and for it's not anything, you know, you will notice that my heart rate is up and it's not because I'm nervous not going crazy. It's just that I'm keeping trying to keep up with y'all's energy all motivate me to keep moving. The music is good, you know, whatever the case may be. So I just say stay active stay doing what you love to do. Stay happy, but it's just a moving and whatever it is. I mean even in the source panel time that I had a corporate job. I was in a Uncle it was not me at all I would say I was selling toner for something like eight like printer toner printer toner. I was behind the desk calling making cold calls and that just like steal the life out of me. Like I cannot you doing that at all. I loved all of the human interactions that I had but that job no. Thanks. With it was it was not something in there. I was good at it because I want to put you know 100% into everything that I do. However, it was not for me that honestly was actually when I started taking dance class because I just needed a release and so after an eight 8 nine hour day of just sitting behind the desk looking at a computer. I was like, I need to go take a dance class. So that's kind of what got me out of that. But anyway with that said I rarely rarely was sitting I remember my manager coming up to me and asked me why I was dancing. I was on a phone call but I was like they cannot they cannot say. Oh, I have a headphone in one year. I'm talking to them in the other ear and as long as I'm handling business, you know then then we're all good. So do what you got to do? Yeah. All right, JJ we're getting closer to the end. What if you if you enter the studio and you can only get one song to fire you what would it be? Oh my God. Okay, so got to pick one and I had a feeling that you Going to ask this so my go-to always is going to be Prince always always always I anything Prints, but if I were to open that glass door, and the first thing I heard was dearly beloved. So let's go crazy by Prince would be my insurance song and that's that's what we would do. Let's go crazy and starting off the warm-up right or starting off the work out, right? I like it. Yeah when I stopped were that's what he did when he was here. Yeah, man, if you could pull it we said any Prince song have you pulled off and Purple Rain? I'd be like well that's impossible. Mm x square and you could write one thing on it. What would it be go the great always I in every single class that way I don't care what kind of day you've had a night you have a for how much sleep what kind of Hangover you're experiencing from that from that point on. I feel like there's always the even with one minute left in the day a opportunity to be better. And so I just always in my class with after the stretch say go and be great. So if people could see that every day and it's funny that you ask that. In my room. I have a canvas photo of Times Square. So I would love to do that. Right smack-dab in the middle of that would be I do a lot of deep research before these interviews, so I've been And James ATL Twitter, I don't I forgot it existed Facebook. I'm there as well more. So promoting for classes coming up but I am active in communication on Instagram. So John James 8000 or fitness-wise. It's JJ daily fits all one word. Yeah. Well, you tell me again because I do want I have like zero Rhythm and if I were to come to your class, but I still could I still follow along in like tell me again where that classes sure. Yeah, absolutely. So my first and my specialty class is the urban rodeo and what that is is basically it's not just a dance class. It's a party we come in and it's country fused or hip-hop Hughes country. So basically we learn a DOT line dance and learn a little hip-hop choreography. It's all levels. I would say it's a little faster Pace, but it's still fun. Especially if you sign in on em Bo and get that little bottle of whiskey before you start with that said on Wednesday night. That's Excel Studios, and that's the letter X see. L Studios offer Falkner Road on Wednesdays, I teach a beginner and intermediate hip hop on but I had a lot of fun. I teach two more popular like pop songs hip hop songs things that you would recognize and be able to kind of like you're not trying to dissect the music at the same time something that you probably familiar with already and a lot of grooves a lot of to the right to the let and just having a really good time to sweat it out. If you want to come for Fitness you want to come her hobby if you want to just Get back into dancing. It's been a long time. Then that's the best opportunity. That's at dance 101 off of the North Druid Hills Briarcliff area near Tokyo Hills coach JJ. Thanks so much for joining us manual unique spirit, and we're very happy. We get to get get taught by you every now and then over. No TF. No problem. I'll see you guys one of these days and at 5 a.m. When I'm not driving, so it was a pleasure. Thank you very much. Thanks. Say you're awesome. Thank you. Bye you guys to I'll see you later. I don't star P Nation. Thanks for joining us this week on the podcast. 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Welcome to the stay the markets podcast episode 80. I'm Paul Rodriguez of think trading.com. I'm Tim price of price value Partners.com at a very special guest is Daniel demartino Booth. She's the CEO and chief strategist for quill intelligence a research and analytics firm. She spent nine years at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas where she served as an advisor to President Richard W Fisher throughout the financial crisis.She found it quill intelligence in 2018 and is the author of fed up and inside his take on why the Federal Reserve is bad for America. She writes a full-time column for Bloomberg View and is a business speaker and commentator and is frequently featured on CNBC Bloomberg Fox News. Fox Business, BNN, Bloomberg Yahoo, finance and other major media Outlets. So Danielle, welcome to the show great to be here today.It's fantastic to have you on I'd like to start sort of at the beginning when you first got involved or interested in financial markets. Can you tell us a bit about that? Well, it's pretty simple my father taught economics and finance. So I swore on a stack of Bibles that I would never go into that industry. So it was a matter of Never Say Never because life came back to haunt me when I first visited the Salomon Brothers. It's no longer with us the Salomon Brothers two-story trading floor down on Wall Street, and I was hooked from the minute. I saw it. Wow. What a what a what a fantastic image. I've Got My Mind. Out that sounds amazing. I'm / yes. Yes indeed. Yeah, and so you have an instinct with which company to go for. Can you tell us about your journey after you graduated you had some choices you made some interesting ones? Yes indeed out sounds like you've heard me give it give a speech recently. Yes. I I had the option of going with Arthur Andersen. I was nine hours shy or three courses show. I have sitting for my CPA and they were going to put me up in corporate housing and Austin, which was is my favorite city and and put me on a fast track to Consulting. As soon as I passed my CPA. I didn't fancy myself a bean counter for the rest of my life. So I turned them down. My mother was adamant that I try and stay in the state of Texas close to home so to speak and so she suggested that I go with a firm that I did not understand I couldn't get my head. And their business model, so I disappointed my mother and said no to Enron and and then I went off to the bright lights and the big city of New York and joined a firm called Donaldson Lufkin & jenrette, which is also no longer with us. We sold out at the very top of the internet bubble and I had to convince my mother that I wasn't going to work for DHL and international letter carrier. So when when he when are you going to turn down an offer with? A banker Daniel gracious. I mean like when can we bring back bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers as well? We can just put them all together. I can say no to all of them, but you did actually say no to lose as well didn't you because you said you didn't like the culture that we weren't sure of the culture there and you know what I wasn't it didn't give me the same feel as as D LJ D. LJ was was Scrappy. It was very entrepreneurial there weren't a bunch of lines drawn up in between. They literally had in their in their annual report a line that said make money. Wow. Yeah, it was it was a much different Wall Street than what you have today, which is very siloed and compartmentalised and and now we're finding out maybe a little bit to compartmentalize because they seem to be rolling up divisions one after another and there's blood in the streets. What did you do it D LJ it Daniel. Well, I was I was recruited into sales and I ended up working quite a bit with with with corporations and institutional investors as well as some individuals. I think I might have learned more from the individuals than anybody else about the idea of greed, but I'm but it was the private Equity aspect of dlj the fact that we had an internal Merchant Bank solely on black would wander the Halls he been associated with Drexel toe. James who went on to Blackstone after dlj was sold. He was vice chairman at the time. He he sold dlj and I learned a lot about private Equity before it was this Mammoth industry and then I worked a lot with debt retirement and and the guys on the junk bond desk most of whom had come over from Drexel and who would have easily sold their mother down the river for the right bit aspirin. So you you've got a fantastic anecdote about Out price and Tim price my co-host here loves a good quote and he loves a good anecdote. And we love to tell the one that we both heard from you. But we think it's only fair that you tell it yourself. Well, I'll paraphrase I don't have it in front of me, but I've become good friends over the years with Arthur cashion. I consider myself to be very blessed to know him. He's probably the preeminent Market historian who's still with us and he loves to tell the story about Tiffany the Jeweler and JP Morgan the banker one day Tiffany came across this extraordinarily beautiful stickpin. He knew it had JP Morgan's name on it because he because JP Morgan had this acute affinity for these gorgeous stick pins that men used to wear and so he sent a man around to Morgan's office with the pin wrapped in a beautiful robin's egg blue gift wrap and with and said this this I know will will appeal to you the price. However, is is $5,000. Rose if you choose to accept send a man send your man back around tomorrow with the check for 5,000 if not send the box back. So one day goes by Morgan's Man shows up at Tiffany's offices the next day with a box wrapped differently and the check for $4,000 Tiffany sat long and hard thinking because $4,000 in that day was indeed a great sum of money, but he was quite certain that the In was worth $5,000. So he sent the man walking and said, please let mr. Mark Morgan note. My price was firm. And so then Tiffany goes on to unwrap the box and inside of that box. He finds not the stick pin, but rather a check from Morgan with a single sentence, which was just checking the price. So I love that story. Just checking the price because that is the way that price Discovery was always meant to operate in naturally functioning markets that are not impeded by. Oh, I don't know the Federal Reserve. So what's going wrong at the moment in your view? Well, I think I think what's going wrong. It has been going wrong since the aftermath of the 1987 crash Black Monday when Alan Greenspan put word out. The FED would would be there in the event of any kind of a Calamity in the banking or financial system and it's fine to put out a word of assurance. It's different to send word to bond trading desks on Wall Street via the New York Federal Reserve about intentions of of the FED to inject liquidity into the system prior to those injections in other words in in Market vernacular allowing Wall Street to front run the Fed and I think that that is kind of where moral hazard was born in the modern era and investors have come to know that regardless of how much risk they take on they no longer have to factor in the return side of the equation because they know if something goes really wrong like the tequila the crisis in 1994 or the municipal blow up in Orange County or long-term Capital Management a bunch of academics trying to blow up the financial system. They know that the FED is going to have their back and Jay Powell said as much when he was a rookie on the Federal Reserve board in the fall of 2012. So to cut to the chase is the problem with the the the mission statement of the fed or the staff of the federal is the problem the FED itself. Well, well, I think it goes down to to the focus which wasn't always the case but to the focus on having mostly PhD academics setting monetary policy by way of models that often times have absolutely nothing to do with how the economy or the markets operate and they have really come I use in my book. That up. I call them the MIT Mafia and they've really come to have an outsized influence on how policy is made. And I don't think that that's exclusive to the Federal Reserve. I think you could certainly find similar Dynamics in the European Central Bank bank of England bank of Japan, but they've they've come to have outside influence on how policy is made. But that leaves pop that least fed officials and fed leaders unaware of the critical role that financials financial markets. Play when they come together with economic data. So I think the disregard it pal even acknowledged it in his first Jackson Hole speech that the past two recessions in the United States have not been brought on by any type of inflationary pressures, but rather Financial instability. Could one argue that this perhaps goes back even further to when the u.s. Came off the gold standard in the 70s. Well, you know, I think that there's something to be said for looking back even further though. I have to say my hero is Paul volcker and I considered him to be a highly disciplined monetary policy maker, but there is something to be said I think for the lack of discipline in monetary policy making that has Alongside of coming off of the gold standard and and relying increasingly on on The Laurel Of Reserve currency status and what it can give you in the way of fiscal profligacy. You're not the kind of gold. But how large would you expect to have a percentage of gold in your portfolio? Well, I think you should always have gold in the background so to speak so you should always have that be you know, a good five ten percent. Let's call it as a permanent head because you never know if an asteroid is going to hit planet Earth on why hit with which is got a lot of gold in it, which is I don't know if you heard about that. No. No, I've seen this I've seen mainly My Twitter followers in the middle of the night. But but you always want to have that backbone of hedge built into your portfolio because if you look at correlations and how they behave in between asset classes when the peanut butter hits the fan so to speak there are very few places you can hide and that's why I personally do own gold as well as what I'm writing about for my weekly quilt municipal bonds, which may seem counterintuitive. To itive in that I am a huge critic of the worst run pensions in America. But but again gold municipal bonds very few places to hide when the peanut butter hits the fan and correlations line up and you end up losing money across the board which, you know, puts the efficient Frontier, you know, since it's the way of the dodo bird so to speak in relation to Gold the should should we should we that we as a kind of global we be concerned about the Didn't set by executive order 6102 in 1933. Well, if it was 33, when the ownership of gold is made illegal in the US. These are very heavy questions. They tend to come about in times of global depression. They click they tend to come about in times of not currency Wars but hot Wars and and one does want to be very careful about speculating but I would say that the very respected individuals can rogoff being one of Of them, you know, he he is one of the most highly regarded highly esteemed thinkers in monetary policy worldwide and need a he's written about the death of cash and an imposing haircuts on individuals who saw fit to hold hard cash as we saw to be the case in Tokyo after negative interest rates were imposed the number one selling good on the market was home safes. And so rogoff's rogoff solution to this in the United States if it was to be translated over a negative interest rate policy that would theoretically Force consumers to spend. So if you chose not to and you wanted to keep your your pennies in the bank, then you would get a haircut for doing so you would be penalized for doing so and I would draw a parallel to the confiscation of gold if you're talking about taking away part of my hard-earned dollar because I want to keep it safe do you have Any any view on cryptocurrencies? Well, I think cryptocurrencies are. In the day has been taken up post facto by China by Russia by Venezuela. I think that because it's already become a sovereign issue that the bank of England for example was probably the first develop Central Bank to begin exploring a sovereign cryptocurrency. I think that there are certainly circles within the US government that are exploring This Not That anybody wants to talk about it publicly, but I do think that that it will become a matter of National Security if Your cold war enemies economic enemies. So to speak have a cryptocurrency. It would be incumbent upon any country to have their own as well rather than be infiltrated. So those are kind of my views on where I stand on on cryptocurrencies. I think that a lot of a lot of speculation has been has been done with other cryptocurrencies, but when you hear and see headlines related to child pornography rings and They're being obstinate cated using crypto currencies. You see the security is not where it needs to be. I think that we're better off going The Sovereign route as long as there's no confiscation of cash and it doesn't become some means by which you you monitor the purchases of your populace, which is why I think it has started in places like China and Russia because I think that that is one of their Express purposes. Do you think that the the economy all the the stock market can continue on its current upward path for the for the foreseeable future or do you see that? There's headwinds coming that that people should be worried about So so full disclaimer. I'm on Bubble vision from time to time and doing these quick three-minute hits and it's interesting to hear the schadenfreude coming from the bullish cabal on Bubble vision and they're so excited that recession probabilities have vanished Into Thin Air, but they're making the assumption that the reason this has happened is because of some type of organic fundamental underlying Growth in the US economy and in other economies such as Europe where we're seeing a lot of green shoots. I would defer to Powell's printing press and suggest to you that tacking 250 billion dollars on to the balance sheet of the FED in the country that has the highest efficacy we get the biggest bang for our debt Buck. If you will, this is some fascinating research that came out of poison tenacity management recently and it shows that in the post-crisis era the United States is only lost about six percent of its efficacy in terms of deploying a dollar of debt to try and extract GDP growth that compares to Something in the twenty-some-odd percentage range for China where it's much more like water falling through a colander and they have much less efficacy in terms of every debt that they dollar of debt that they create but again, there is Little there is never been in my view a solid way to fight the FED if they're throwing so much liquidity at markets. That is also by the way, making sure that the share buyback machine stays up and running. So right now we have a double source of liquidity propping up risky asset prices and I would say that while this certainly cannot go on forever. Because I think that you're in funding pressures are going to compel the Federal Reserve to increase further its balance sheet expansion that we should we should be very careful about trying to fight the FED when it has got the Bazooka going Full Throttle or I should say the fire hose going Full Throttle. One of the the guys we had guess we had on the podcaster a while back with Gentleman by name is Steven Wilkinson. Who's a From business business analyst in Ireland and Germany and he sent me an e-mail early and I'd sooner eat a bit at I'm sure he won't mind. I'm currently unsure of whether I've maneuvered myself into an echo chamber of a clique of like-minded value investors who can see clearly that we're in extra time or whether the current narrative dangerously close to the end of the everything bubble and man. The lifeboats is now the popular View and therefore discounted as this is gets the heart of the quote as I mentioned to you. My view is colored strongly by a moral conviction that what we have now broken money punishment as Savers risk-free, we will reward for insiders Etc is simply wrong and possibly even evil at a societal level. So what I think will happen and what I believe should happen to purge the system of moral turpitude a conflated at the margin this technocratic disregard of the concerns and values of the saving classes personified in the ghastly Ms. Lagarde's most recent comments disgust me personally. Now I find it very difficult not to agree with with Stevens Point about if you like sir. Well, let's call it moral hazard for want of a better better way of putting it and the fact that no Christine Lagarde identity. You're familiar with the comments she made but they they were truly disgusting the idea that we should all be grateful people in Europe should be grateful, you know, okay, so interest rates might be negative, but at least we have jobs. I'm just thinking. Oh my God it is she for real. Yes, you know. II saw those comments and and the the blatant disregard worldwide I will tell you for the Working Man and working woman and the the inability to set aside money for retirement without being penalized is I would agree with the word criminal. I really really would you know, I again this week I'm writing about municipal bonds and and public pensions and forcing pensions to go into alternative Investments private Equity to increase, you know to their Equity Holdings are high yield Holdings to go into passive Investments that they won't be able to get out of there playing with somebody's mothers and somebody's grandfather's well-being and I don't think it's absolutely reprehensible. And it gets under my skin. I wrote a whole book about it. Yeah that there is something that is so fundamentally on American is what I wrote. I was writing about the Federal Reserve specifically, but if you consider the value of Liberty, it truly rips away at at Liberty and the ability to be self-determining and I don't think the word criminal is too strong. All a people at the moment you think just I mean, there's people like us who could obviously see this and are outraged by it. But that the man on the street doesn't seem to be bothered by it because they let's just say perhaps they don't know enough about it don't want to know enough about it. And as long as the stock market is going up they feel okay, but it's not how can we educate people? How can we let them know? How can we go? How can we change the system is do you think it's possible? Well, I think it would be possible to change the system if there was a floor on interest rates, for example, if financial literacy was better embraced if people understood that that the stock market doesn't go up forever, but it's very very difficult to convey, you know two times in US history 1968 1999 two other times stock market. If you look at household net worth have been larger than residential real estate holdings, which is typically the way you build wealth at least in this country. So and today dot dot dot meaning the real economy is has never been as tethered as it is to The Fortunes in the fates of the stock market and a lot of this has to do with how very unproductive monetary policy has made our economy. Mm. He's we had an entire cycle based on residential real estate. That was that was an unproductive Venture. We had a second one that we're in right now based on the financialization of the economy that is inherently unproductive and we're not getting anything to show for it over a long-term basis and yet the average person on the street will tell you especially if they've got a 401k that you need to be quiet that you need. That you're you're simply bitter because you've missed out on This Magnificent rally and you need to stop trying to talk down the stock market. Of course, that's not what you're doing. You're trying to say you need to understand what the underlying motivator has been and how very false it is in nature. And these are very difficult lessons to convey. I don't know what the sergeant I don't know what the status is of the u.s. Occasional system, but I can tell you that here in the UK. There is no provision that I'm aware of for financial literacy in our schools. And what one thing I've supported is a bit with the we've gone a bit petitioned crazy in the UK ever since the brexit referendum. So every everyone's firing off petitions to Parliament left right and Center about everything but one that I've supported recently as an idea is the idea to have some form of financial literacy be part of our national curriculum. Is there anything like that in the US? Good gosh. No, I mean probably the best of the best day of my career because my soapbox involves public education in America. I mean, I think that the I think that the main victim if you will of Federal Reserve policy and people say how do you draw those lines? I say well I drove those I draw those lines because federals our policy has made public the public pension system that favors unions as strong as it is and they they're they're By impede the average Americans ability to access public education, but there is there's nowhere to be seen financial literacy in our schools are best schools. Of course there are but that's probably what five percent of American schools. Otherwise as I said, probably the happiest moment of my career was when an AP economics classes is kind of a gifted and talented high school economics class tweeted out a picture of every student holding a copy of fed up because I Oh my gosh, there's going to be 15 students in America who actually know the truth and are embracing financial literacy it is it is if I knew a way to start a national petition, I would that's not how our democracy works unfortunately and it's certainly not how 90% of our politicians are. Do you think things would have been different under a Clinton administration? Well, yes, I think they would have been worse. I actually enjoyed the beginning of Jay Powell's tenure. ER he initially he was up in front of Congress but his initial Congressional testimony basically said it is not the feds duty to backstop the stock market. He even understood the idea of moral hazard which again you can see in the fomc transcripts from 2012. I happen to think that I mentioned Ken rogoff. I think he would probably be running the FED at this point if it was Hillary Clinton, I think that she had Earmarked to be at least among those leaders in the fed. And I think that we would have had even more dovish policies. I don't think there would have been an attempt at normalizing interest rates. I'm not trying to make a political statement at all, but prior to President Trump being elected nobody at the FED would talk about quantitative tightening or the very idea of shrinking the fed's balance sheet. It was simply a sacred cow. You didn't even touch the subject and the minute Trump was elected all of us. Sudden, it was time to normalize interest rates shrink the balance sheet do double tightening Etc. And I don't think that there was any type of a political motivation at work there. I think it was very much pointed at trying to put the u.s. US economy into recession. Are you familiar with an investor called Jim Rogers? I am I met Jim many years ago. I would have followed him. Yes, certainly. Okay. Well, it's just that As of the people that I've listened to over the years and listen to from on Bubble Vision many times and who I respect, you know a lot his view is his views always been that we don't need the fed and he says look I'm buying gold and I don't like what's going on in America and therefore he's moved to Singapore. And you know, I've got I've got a lot of sympathy with his point of view and he's very smart tell us. It tells it as it is but his view that why don't we just get rid of the central banks and let the markets let price Discovery be be free. Would you go that far? Um, so no, I would not go that far. The final chapter of fed up actually is a blueprint to what I would do with the FED given my druthers. I would I would take it all the way down to the studs and rebuild it from the ground. But I I am a little bit more circumspect when it comes to matters of National Security and would not like to see what what some of our enemies who have been prone to steal things would do if we had a completely unguarded Financial system, right? I say, yeah. So so if you were to do that though, wouldn't you have to rebuild all the central banks around the world you certainly would you hit the nail on the head with that because Because the groupthink is not something that is internalised at the FED. Most Central Bankers think alike act alike and come from this game same school of thought and that is very dangerous because you end up with these situations where you don't just have a boom-bust cycle in the United States. You have boom-bust Cycles worldwide and you end up spreading systemic risk with such a mechanism. So you right now we've got for example Japanese Banks own 10% of collateralized loan obligations in a desperate search for yield when the subprime crisis blew up. I had actually written about it. I predicted it I said it was going to be Global and systemic in nature. I was fairly alone off on a branch with the being Stone dead, you know by people in the masses and how could she be saying this but at the time as prescient as I can boast to having been I have never ever heard of a German Landis Bank never didn't know what it was and yet that is one of the places where we started to see subprime loans blow up and it was because when when all Central Bankers in the world think alike, they take on identical tax you end up having Financial systems begin to bleed into one another and when things do go wrong the the The instance of contagion is that much higher? Yes, because everything moves everything is correlated, basically. Exactly interrelated correlated incestuous call it what you want. Yes. Yes. So so when you look around the world at at currencies given the say the us could be going into recession saying next year or things could be slowing down what currencies at the moment do you think people should be looking at to buy basically gold apart from cold which we've got silver silver. Yeah, so So I'm going to say right now. I have no idea. I'm a bit out of my realm when it comes to asking me such questions. You know, I used to have faith in the Reserve Bank of Australia. I was there recently for a speech and was very disheartened because the Central Bank there is finally in an easing cycle as China Chinese growth slows and takes its toll on that that nation that has been absolutely Police swarmed with speculative real estate but there was a time that I would have said Mexico Poland and Australia, but I cannot throw those three examples out to you anymore. But you're bullish on the US dollar those still on you was that changed? No, one of my three predictions going into the new year was that Germany would go into recession that the u.s. Dollar would strengthen and that the 10-year Benchmark treasury would would close under 2% Cool intelligence put those out on December the 26th 2018. Wow, that's so cool. Well done. Well, you know what blind squirrels even principle that five days. That's my never discount the never discount The Power of Love. Well, come on. I mean, I think you yeah, I think more than that. So what are you thinking for next year? What's what's the called more of the same or well, we have to wait and see you know, where the thinking right? Now is that is that Europe is going to pull out of this that Breck's it's going to have a Kumbaya happy ending and their feet absolutely no ramifications worldwide on the economy these things that most of investors right now it really it stinks. Oh my God, they got a wake-up call coming. They that is that is the running assumption right now is that the Donald Trump has miraculously secured protections for intellectual property. Even though the Chinese haven't even hinted at such great strides, but that is the conventional wisdom. It is that Europe is going to pull out of its slump completely that the trade war is going to be resolved amicably and that brexit is going to have zero consequences and that are go recession probabilities have plummeted but also Elvis is still alive indeed. He is he and Jimmy Hoffer sitting down and having a nice game of bridge. Ready for anybody in the u.s. Listening to this podcast. I must make clear that break sitting I was defined in the Urban Dictionary as saying goodbye to everyone at a party and then proceeding to stick around so exactly so what do you have a view of the other so I mean to you you've given if you like the institutional view but I need what's your personal opinion in relation to what will happen What could conceivably have it? Well, I suppose first in in order first. In our our forthcoming Britain's forthcoming general election in December the 12th, and then depending on how that goes the likelihood of as ever managing to extract ourselves from the death. Grip. That is the Dead Hand of the European Union and The single currency and failing big state protectionist anti-free trade Bloc. Not that we have a strong view on the matter. I couldn't tell so I don't have a strong view on the Matter, but what I would say is that some of the work that we've done recently suggest that as is the case with the United States the bank of England has got a tall order on its hand to slow the slowdown in the British economy. And I would say the same goes for Europe because you cannot reorganize all of China and you're not going to make the industrial the internal combustion engine have a massive comeback. So I think German he's got structure. Roll and secular issues on its hands and it is of course the fourth largest economy in the world and the third largest exporting Nation. The reason I throw these out there is not to lead you off on a path but I would say that I think policy makers and politicians are going to know that the stakes are too high to do anything. But if you know if push comes to shove more of the same of kicking the can down the road as opposed to finding true resolution. It's interesting that you mentioned the the sir groupthink in the institutional world. I'm not sure if you're familiar with a British analyst Russell Napier. He's a financial Market. Yes. Yeah Furniture Market store and Russell's has been writing recently about what he I think he's just come back from a business trip this thing institutional clients around the world including in the States and what I was struck by what he said, which was he felt that everyone was his big consensus that Trump was going to secure a trade deal with China because it would help his re-election prospects and rustles rustles contentious exactly the opposite of that if you look at what's happening on the ground, these are the the US and China trade trade has been weaponized technology transfer has been weaponized currency has been weaponized and the military there is now a heightened military tension between the two Powers superpowers if you like and Russell's One would be that actually Trump doesn't really care less about you know securing a decent trade deal with China. He's probably he could conceivably be more be more incident actually having a hot war with China instead to boost his election brought re-election prospects. I will say this after I appreciate we getting kind of off the financial track here. So we're moving into the realm of geopolitics. You're actually not off the financial track because let's face it is related. It's all related now. Well, it is related when you consider the fact that we use our resources. currency status as a weapon and that that is the way that we ensure that we have that we have the dominant position on the world stage and it's certainly something I think that the Chinese can't stand I think part of their long-term plan is to quietly colonize a good chunk of the world because they're not able to to have their own currency take out the dollar so they're going about Out there going about growing the influence of the Chinese economy by way of effectively colonizing other countries with asset purchases of Key Resources. It wouldn't let me put it this way when it comes to this particular Administration and I don't think I'm making a political statement at all. Nothing would surprise me with regard to your book fed up when you when you wrote it when you you've obviously felt so strongly that you had to It would have been very easy just of left the FED after nine years and said I don't agree with what's going on there, but you actually sat down and wrote this book and it was it a cathartic experience. Oh gosh. Yes, it really really was sometime around 2010 or so. The there was an internal Discussion Group white Papers written and there was there was a consensus. Has inside the FED that they were using the wrong inflation measure the one that they can't ever seem to get to 2% but the problem was it was determined that that was by design. It did not take asset price inflation into account which of course is what sideswiped policymakers and it also had some fatal errors in its construct. For example the pce that the FED makes policy with Uses Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates to as an input for health care costs, which are the second largest of every household budget in the most recent October consumer price index report Healthcare inflation's actually up 4.3% If you look at what Americans are spending in terms of out-of-pocket expenses. So if you use something that is by its very nature flawed and it's construct. T' then it's time to find a new inflation metric such that you're not caught off guard again. And so anyways after coming to this Epiphany internally the FED decided to do absolutely nothing about it. And that is when I got fed up and that is when I decided to write the book, it was a very long five years that followed because the president of the Dallas fed Richard Fisher who I advised asked me to stay on for four more years through the end of his term. I accept it that call to duty and I don't have any regrets about it, but it was certainly cathartic the minute. I got out. I started writing the book because There's nothing quite like the hubris of academics who even acknowledge the error of their ways and choose to do nothing about it because finding a different inflation metric that reflected reality would have messed with their models and that float. It's incredible. It's just absolutely incredible. And also the the lessons of the previous crisis just haven't been learned. I mean, it's all so simple. I mean it's amazing to hear it from you because obviously you're on the inside and from the outside. This is all these are all things that we suspect and you know scratch our heads and think we'll how can they not see that but you know for you to say that they know and they just don't want to do anything about it is is so galling sorry, Tim, you know. Decide this at this is a website yet. This is still cool website. You might have seen called long or short capital.com and I'm not sure it's a it's a I'm not sure it's updated as often as it used to be but I do remember I mean most of the best posts were in relation to gaming the CFA exams. But what one of the best things they did a while back was they talked about their favorite inflation measure, which was the inflation X inflation statistic, which was remarkably remarkably stable over time at a flat line of 0. Isn't that wonderful? So you set up soon after you wrote the book or while you wrote the book you set up you set up quill intelligence. Is that right? I did I left the FED on June the 12th 2015. I published my first weekly on the 17th of June and I think I've skipped one week since then and about a year and a half ago. I found it quill intelligence and added a daily Market commentary. To my repertoire because I decided that there was absolutely no reason that I could find to sleep. So I decided to put a daily on top of the weekly and now we publish constantly and have a good cult following and we also have kind of also a hate group because we tend to point out Simply the data with absolutely no bias. And that was always my that was always my goal with quill intelligence and And and when I was inside the Fed was to present data agnostic Lee and free of bias and agenda and let me tell you there's nothing that gets under the skin of PhD economists more and not coincidentally sell-side economists as well. So suffice it to say I relish what I do. That's a fairly brutal regime though at Daily commentary. I used to write daily comedy right? I can't do it anymore. So I restrict myself to weekly but daily stuff is that's a hot dose of The odds no, absolutely. No doubt and I I do have a good team who I work with. But it I am addicted to people say that if I could watch Bloomberg in my sleep, I would and I it's always on mute but I love the I love the information in flow. So if there's one good way of making sure that you stay on top of the markets and economic data. It's to do a daily. Yes, the And of that, so you've got the daily feather and the weekly quill and so I guess you know, it's just thinking of a name for a monthly now are you oh gosh. No. No, I was kidding about the need to sleep. But I do it occasionally quiver just quiver doesn't quiver Works. Isn't that the monthly? Yeah, just yeah just increase my job description. I think you've got something you've got hashtag research Revolution. Tell me what that's about. So it's It's what I just mentioned. It's the it's the very idea of the clean presentation of data being able to look in the weeds get beyond the headlines, you know, there's a treasure Trove of information to be found. For example every month in the University of Michigan confidence data, it breaks out confidence by by income cohort for example, and we have seen just to throw one thing out there. We've seen throughout the past few. You years and the Trump Revolution that confidence among those making 50,000 and less the bottom third of income earners. If you will that has been leading the charge and it's a fascinating reflection of tearing down the regulatory apparatus and and being able to to increase employment among those with the least amount of Education, which is a fantastic thing. You have to have everybody participate in your economy if you You have terrible sclerosis, but it's been interesting to see that we also for example follow continuing jobless claims as opposed to the unemployment rate, which is about the most backward-looking indicator. You could ever site continuing jobless claims have been increasing for the past few weeks for the first time since December 2009 that is hard data that is not revised. Its not seasonally adjusted. It simply is good Hard clean data, and we're able to make determinations about where we are in this. Cycle and therefore how much liquidity we need to offset the slowing? So that is the type of analysis that we perform day in and day out does does your opportunity set in terms of potential Investments reach Beyond this is the traditional assets of equity listed Equity debt, you've mentioned municipal bonds. Would it include alternative things like, you know strategies like hedge funds or anything like that. Well, so I do There is something to be said for for finding a good manager in in Long volatility because I think that you need to its I think long volatility will be akin to Gold when the time comes so I think being positioned to take advantage of the return of volatility is going to be important and there are a few good managers out there. I'll give a Shameless plug to a friend of mine Christopher Cole who runs Artemis capital they've done more study on that particular area then then I've seen anywhere just brilliant and I also in years past and currently and invested in individual companies only from a seed basis and that's just on a personal level. If I if I if I can see it understand it and like Warren Buffett used to do kick the tires. Then I'm happy to invest in a company that I feel will be recession-proof over the long term. It's all about managing money for someone else setting up your own fund absent. Gracious me boy. Do I get asked that question quite a few? Yeah. Yes, I do. And as soon as they as they maximize cloning capabilities, I'll be ready. No. No it is it is definitely something that is that is being contemplated right now because it is credit shops, especially trade-off of the daily feather so you could obviously write a book about how to analyze the data views View. You I mean, there's obviously so many things a talented person can do but would that interest you as well? Because it seems like you're rewriting economics here and purposely so yes and no I that is something that would be fascinating to to have the time to do one day if I get quill big enough that somebody can write just like me hmm and be able to step back and look at the big picture because I think that it is I think one of the Achilles heels and it's so infuriating. Here all of the speakers say this is the lowest unemployment rate in 51 years and you're like, do you know what happened in December? 1969 after September 1969? Okay, October and November 69 surely. Well you had a boomerang effect. So you should be wary of being excited that you have these massive historic lows because they tend to not be long-lived. Which means that you need to look at secondary indicators in order to understand where that rate might be headed and when but it would be fascinating to write a book about what we call like will cycle chasing because that's what that's what we are. We're like a storm chasers chasing a tornado in the Midwest of the United States. We recycle Chasers just the dates of that you look at does you find pure unadulterated data, but just does that change or can you always rely on it? Oh, no sometimes. Sometimes data become Irrelevant in terms of what you're looking at. I mean we had layoffs increasing United States for example for a very long time, but because there has been a lot of stagnation in this in the skill set of the American Workforce layoffs don't necessarily matter as much if you're a skilled worker and you're going to get absorbed immediately because there's this skills Gap what we have started falling much more quickly out of the The saying outfit Challenger gray and Christmas is CEO turnover and in the month of September. We saw record numbers of CEOs change positions. Some of that might have had to do with misbehaving in the c-suite. Some of it surely has to do with the level of Insider selling that we've seen but a good portion of it is also presumably Boards of directors getting in New Blood that will be agnostic to the workforce. And be able to cut costs at economic inflection points. So that is something that is fairly new on our radar is is the level of CEO turnover because again, it is the highest that it's been in the current cycle Tim. Would you think should we go to Media picks? I'm not sure. I'm not sure we warned you about this Danielle, so probably not since I'm like you who yeah, basically what we do is we like to offer up a book. Or film or something like that that we you absolutely love or you absolutely hate. So my aha moment when I was reading a book came from the Lords of Finance. I became extremely nervous because I ran out of fingers and toes to count the parallels and that was kind of one of the things that led me to understand the long-term implications of what monetary policy was doing not just to our economies. But to our societies and that eventually led to war. So I think the Lords of Finance is something that everybody who would ever listen to this podcast would read and then probably the most influential book about how very precious life is and how short it can be is The Goldfinch. So if you're on a beach bring it with you read it, but understanding that it is a very heavy heavy read but again life is very short, which is Why you should always be fed up and speak the truth. Yeah, definitely fantastic picks Tim. What are you going to be briefly because I think that if we discussed this earlier, but I'm gonna go with something. I've just sort of watching on your recommendation, which is Ozark. I've long been a fan of if you have you seen Osaka Daniel. You know, I have not I don't see as much television as as I would like I am a fan of Black List because I like the idea of dark Brilliance. But no II Nazi Noah's Ark but I've heard wonderful things. Oh, it's guess. I think I happen to love Jason Bateman and it's got a nice little cars, but it's I notice it's for anyone that hasn't hasn't yet. Come across it. It's basically a financial advisor who It starts in rather black terms and doesn't exactly improve from there. So there's this let's say there's a drug called towel and you know in the Timeless words of aliens a few deaths were involved. And so this this guy the premises is Ted takes his family down to to the Ozarks to with a mission to launder half a billion dollars to to to buy his survival from a Mexican drug gang. It's a light romantic comedy person. Ali is like it and I've actually I'm actually quite the student of the drug cartel being that I live in Texas and grew up in San Antonio which was two and a half hours north of the border. So now I'm fascinated and I'm going to have to watch it. So I .3 on IMDb so Carlsbad, it's thank you for robbing me of one more hour of sleep. Well, I might have to do the same actually with I don't know if you've seen Fahrenheit 11 9, which is I was kind of hoping that you might have seen it Danielle, but I think because you're so busy. Obviously you don't hardly watch any but it's works. Well Martin not harder Danielle gosh. Yes. I do need a personal assistant since you mentioned it. Absolutely. Well, it's a Michael Moore documentary and it's about how Trump came to power and it's also just just about crony capitalism. And words just kept like fail me about this. I just couldn't believe what I was seeing and I think everybody should watch it. It's just incredible. So Fahrenheit 11/9, so, of course, he made not Fahrenheit 9/11 but Fahrenheit 11/9, it's about crony capitalism and the political arena in the US and it is just like you couldn't make it up. Basically. I was just jaw on the floor watching it. So I don't want to say anymore. I think people just have to watch it for themselves, but it's It change has to come. I mean, it's just the has to be changed and I think I didn't whether a documentaries enough to make to make people change what they do, but you know, it certainly makes them think and I think it's books like Fed Up and documentaries like Fahrenheit 11/9 that moving in the right direction. I hope so and I hope that I hope that there is a greater awareness rather than anger continuing to build up in the background because that Doesn't typically get us anywhere. Yes. Absolutely. We I mean Solutions is what people want really isn't it? I mean and also to protect their wealth and that's ultimately you know, what we're thinking here what we're looking forward into the future. It's not just to say things about it's like we'll look you've got to try and protect yourself. You got to take make decisions for yourself and think for yourself. You've obviously you obviously learned that a very early age Daniel you make your own decisions and you clearly not put off by what other people say and that's That's that's something that Tim and I you know sharing in our own views. We know it doesn't matter what other people thinking it's what we think is right and it's so easy to be kind of almost brainwashed by the education system that you've got to think there's always somebody else higher up who knows more than you, you know people like Jim Rogers who just say look do your own research. Look look it up find out is this right or is it wrong and and to get people to think like that rather than just accepting things? It's a very important process. That's what we should be teaching our kids. I couldn't agree more and I'm definitely teaching my own those. Very lessons. Yes, indeed. Well, that's absolutely fantastic Danielle. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for being so generous with your time. If our listeners want to get in contact with you. What is your web address and your Twitter handle? So my Twitter handle is at demartino booze. It's quite a mouthful, but you'll find me. I'm out there and have a look at equivalent. Halogens.com. I'll be providing you with a sample of a daily feather to put up alongside this so that they can get a feel for what the type of research is that we do rather than me. Just describing it brilliant. That would be absolutely fantastic Danielle. It's been a real pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on the show, and we hope to have you back if we can one day yes, indeed. I would enjoy that very much. Thank you. Thanks again. So once again Tim Thank you so much. Thank you, and thanks to everyone for listening and we'll catch you next time, bye-bye. This podcast is for entertainment purposes. Only, please do your own research or contact a professional and advisor.

Danielle is CEO & Chief Strategist for Quill Intelligence LLC, a research and analytics firm. She spent nine years at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas where she served as Advisor to President Richard W. Fisher throughout the financial crisis until his retirement in March 2015. DiMartino Booth founded Quill Intelligence and in 2018 authored ofFED UP: An Insider’s Take on Why the Federal Reserve is Bad for America (Portfolio, Feb 2017), a full-time columnist for Bloomberg View, a business speaker, and a commentator frequently featured on CNBC, Bloomberg, Fox News, Fox Business News, BNN Bloomberg, Yahoo Finance and other major media outlets. Prior to Quill, Her work at the Fed focused on financial stability and the efficacy of unconventional monetary policy. State of the Markets Podcast Paul Rodriguez of https://ThinkTrading.com https://twitter.com/prodr1guez Tim Price of https://Pricevaluepartners.com https://twitter.com/timfprice Danielle DiMartino Booth https://quillintelligence.com https://twitter.com/DiMartinoBooth Fed Up https://g.co/kgs/YJB8JP Media pick Lords of Finance https://g.co/kgs/e91kCJ The Goldfinch https://g.co/kgs/ZGVDhx Tim's Media Pick: Ozark - Netflix https://g.co/kgs/ik1cqC Paul's Media pick Fahrenheit 11/9 https://g.co/kgs/KxPzRU Podcast links: https://sotmpodcast.com https://anchor.fm/stateofthemarkets https://apple.co/2OUGW6R All podcasts available on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-tcfr0by81zN6DMn2Oii0A --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/stateofthemarkets/message

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Hey everybody, it's Lisa and Rebecca here for episode 119 of the secret life of weddings podcast. I am well lubricated with oil and it's late at night oil. Wow. I am well lubricated with why not? I just said I was well lubricated with oil. Did you hear that? Okay, this is okay. This is gonna go great little Lube never hurts. Anybody. Everything is fine. I'm not re recording this. It's too late. Okay, everything is fine. All right, let's do it. Let's do in the news. Ronan Farrow is moving. On to a new chapter thanks to a question written in the pages of his recently released book The Pulitzer prize-winning journalist is engaged after asking pod save America co-host John love it to marry him in a draft of catch and kill released on Tuesday. It had been a long year for me and for us but we hung in there Pharaoh writes in his book later. When I decided some of that reporting would make its way into a book. I'd send him a draft and put in a question right on this page marriage question mark on the moon or even here on Earth, he read the draft Pharaoh continuous and found the proposal here and said sure on Mondays episode of pod save America Ferrera expressed how much love it's encouragement meant little sweet. I love it. I'm all twitterpated. Just this might be drunk Lisa question, but seriously, And love it. This is not the person I think it is. Is it now? Okay just to clarify. I just I love the name. You know who I'm thinking of right the Gideon. I'm like, yes. All I can picture is John love it is apparently now again gauge man and I just don't I didn't think he was gay. So I'm confused by that and then I'm like, he's a whole host of a podcast. I did not he's much younger. Okay, I was gonna say this sounds like a very young person. So yes, yes. Oh just Terrified there's a different person named John Lovett. Who's not a middle-aged comedian? Yes. Thank you. Your welcome. Thank you. I appreciate that clarification. I do congratulations to these people. That's amazing. Yeah, that's a super cute way to propose to I love it. Oh my gosh. So adorable. We are going to jump headfirst into the fuck it bucket one of your favorite favorite parts of this podcast because we love shitting on things. That's just something we do. Yes, it's really I mean, we've been practicing for many years Rebecca and I yeah, so let's put inviting people. I didn't really want to invite to my wedding into the fuck a bucket this week. What do you think? Yes. Yeah this needs to go in the fucking bucket because I'm getting tired of reading it and wedding groups. I'm getting tired of y'all complaining about it is what I'm gerd of. Yeah. Listen, it's ongoing. It's Too much. It's your wedding. And I get that like your parents are paying for a bit of it or this or that or even they're paying for the whole thing. I mean, there's like a ver a variety of yeah Arrangements out there. I got think what you have to do is be cognizant of the fact that it's your day. Yes, right. It's your wedding. You need to have the people there that mean the most to you. It's not a free-for-all. You don't need to make it one and give your parents a set guest list. It will make them happy and everybody will feel loved and you know happy just give them a set list and then they can invite whoever they want in those numbers. Yes. I think the day goes by so quickly for couples it really Does I know I don't remember mine. Like I really don't they are Lum. Yeah just goes by so quick because so much is going on and you know to look back and think oh, I didn't even know half the people there. It kind of sucks. Let alone see them. Yeah, or even if you spend time seeing in the you're going around spending time and thinking and talking to people and it's so much obligation that I think people need to cut it out agreed totally. I mean, they just cost you money, you know, if Too many people you don't even get to interact with them all and they usually don't bring a nice gift to make up for it. I am I right. Yeah, that was one of the things I saw I put that in there for Reddit made me laugh. I was like, this is brilliant. It's so funny. But you know, we can't but the point is it's not about the gifts. It's just about the your time right? It's a finite thing you have on your wedding day make your intentions good make choices that will add to the day not take away from the day. Yeah. I don't feel guilty. Yo, do not feel guilty. Now. Don't let anybody make you feel guilty at the end of it all. It's not going to matter. It's not going to be that big of a deal especially like your sisters Brothers cousins X boss's secretary who guilted you for an invitation like fuck sharrouf's. Listen Doris. No, Cheryl Cheryl wasn't there for you? You don't get to be there for Cheryl? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's enough. All right. We're good with that. We are good. Alright, and that's all I've got to say about that. That's all you got. Our first stories from a listener named Kate. We're giving her the name Kate Hi Kate. She gets she gave herself the name Kate I was going to say does she know who I'm talking to if she's not named Kate? Yes. I was at my friend's wedding a few years ago. And the reception was in a fancy Art Gallery the bride and groom are both lawyers and there was a lot of alcohol, which was great. Yeah. I was utterly Hammered at the end of the night and was standing in front of this really pretty photograph of a horse. The gallery owner came over for a chat and we started chatting about art. I was bullshitting at top speed not being an art person love that bullshitting at top speed. I remember that. Yeah. I was trying to make intelligent comments about the composition and the focus and probably sounded like a complete moron the owner asks if I like horses And I said, yes, I wrote as a teenager. So he motions for me to follow him to his office. And I do so we're in the middle of a wedding reception after all when we get to his office. He pulls out his phone and shows me over 100 images of HD photos of explicit horse. Barn. This did not happen this literal photos. I'll be wrecked horsedick horses being mounted. By other horses an action shot of a horse coming. I've seen a lot of things in life, but I've never seen that we either me neither and I've been down some rabbit holes you ever just keep clicking on the internet and you're just like did not mean to see that. Yeah, I get out of there ASAP. I find the friend. I came to the wedding with and we go to the bar to get another drink and laugh off the experience. The owner of the gallery beats us to the bar though, and the Cuts us off for the night so we leave there be like and no you don't you don't get to cut us off. Do you know they just have to see and horse porn guy becomes Legend in our friend group though. We never tell the bride probably a guy decision amazing. That's amazing. I want to like photograph. That is my favorite story of 2019. I think it might be I want to photograph this like screen cap and put it on my phone as wallpaper. Oh Kate. Thank you telling everybody this story. I am just next time we just did an interview on a great show called scam. Wow, and we'll yeah, we did will totally post the link, but we're going to be guests on their show soon. I have no idea. What date Because I didn't ask but the point is we talked all about wedding scams and stuff. We've seen over the years. But yeah the next time we do an interview, I don't care if it's warranted or not. I'm talking about horse porn guy. Yeah, it's happening. I think it you're going to deal with it. I think we need to make a little special advertisement for this episode with a horse in it. Rebecca let's report. Let's record it right now. Okay ready? Hey there podcasts fans. Do you like horses? I do do you like porn? Yeah. Well wait till I tell you what our latest podcast episode is about check out the secret life of weddings available everywhere you get quality podcasts about horses and porn. Come on over. Oh my God, this is so not the story I needed to watch after I had like three glasses of one. Take take it down a notch Lisa, okay. Do we have a new saga? We have a saga. So just maybe I see the word Saga and I got a little excited here. Oh dear. Now this one this is special. This is called. Yeah the Canadian wedding Saga and I can't take credit for the title because that's the title. They gave me and I live with it like they emailed us with this. Yes. Holy cow. I love it. All right the Canadian wedding Saga part 1 my family and I are from a small island. In the Pacific, I love to study in Australia for a while, but came home after I graduated back in the 70s. My dad's oldest brother Jeff moved to Canada and married a Canadian woman called Rachel Jeff. So laid-back. He basic just sorry Jeff so laid-back. He's basically horizontal. I love so hard but I read this that's great. Oh my God. Rachel is like a lot like kitty the mom. From That 70s Show who I adore I love but more hyper if that's possible Christian and a horse person. Okay, just sit. Did she go to every other wedding? Listen, do I have a feeling about is this a themed episode Rebecca? Okay not okay, not just coincidence guys. They have three kids Scott Brandon and Jess. Just as the closest in age to me and both of our families are pretty close. We make the trip to see each other fairly frequently. Brandon came to live with us for a while as a teenager to attend. His dad's old school and I went to live with them for a while to attend their local school since our families are so close when Brandon got married back in 2007 my parents and I made the Trek to Canada for the wedding. The wedding was lovely his bride. Erica is the sweetest and only two things really I stood out as being slower. They that number one at the end of the ceremony before Brandon and Erica did their recessional the venue owner grabbed the mic and ran through a list of rules for the venue which included the instruction not to use the decorative Pond as a toilet. Charming that's great. I love that was part of the list. Please don't shit in the pond the koi really get irritated. They get bloated. Yeah, they'll eat it number two, because Brandon and Erica's wedding was a week before my finals at Uni my trip to Canada was ridiculously short I flew in the night before the wedding and left the morning after the wedding that sucks balls yikes that leaves no room for evenly 10% of a wedding hangover. Yeah my turn around. So fast, I had the same crew on the airplane there and back. Wow, that's funny. That's Insanity as it turns out flying into and out of Canada from the South Pacific within 36 hours sends up a lot of red flags there checking her ass for cocaine, you know, I was interrogated at gunpoint by an American Immigration guard our police don't even carry guns. So that was a shock. Where is she? From Holy Hill Australia and South Pacific. She was actually coming in from the South Pacific. Yeah. Wow, so she was really traveling because we don't you know, you know, our guys carry guns is the British that don't I got confused for a minute there. Our police don't even carry a gun. So that was a shock and when I made it home our immigration officers put me in an interrogation room and asked if I had any physical proof I had been at a wedding. Holy crap. Whoa, this is like my worst nightmare. Yeah. This was before cameras on cell phones were standard and all I had with me was one of those little wine D wheel disposable cameras. They declined to get it Pros as for me. Oh my God. It was 5:00 a.m. And That they'd intercepted me before I could get a cup of tea in the term. And also my response was a very grumpy what other than my hangover they let me go eventually whole. Wow in 2014 Scott got engaged and his wedding to Karen was scheduled for New Year's Eve. This was just as I was finishing grad school, and I decided this would be a great time to have a holiday with my then boyfriend. We planned a two-week holiday to Canada and then Disneyland, but when We got to the baggage carousel in Canada. I remember looking at him and thinking I don't want you here. This relationship is over. Was it a rough plane? Right burn such a burn awkward screams, please note when you're in the middle of a breakup Disneyland is not the happiest place on Earth the whole trip was miserable. I was drunk off my ass the entire time rather than deal with the reality of my relationship breaking down and within half an hour of making it back to Australia. I had all of my stuff packed in a car and never spoke to him again. So she dragged her way through Disney World. Yeah. Wow, that's actually not hard to do. But yeah, wow I can just imagine her Tipsy on the It's a Small World After All right it hurl. No kidding. Why I moved back to our Islands shortly after that. So when just got engaged to Noah in July this year. I was a really happy for her and be looking forward to having a really good trip to Canada. Probably third time's a charm for once. I swear to God, we're a good place to visit. Okay. I figured the wedding would be next year. So I'd have time to save up and save my leave from work to do a nice long holiday visiting a bunch of North American friends. The wedding is this October. They announced this in Late July. So like like no time to do anything. Thanks and my cousin specifically invites my step-grandmother Heidi. My dad's parents got divorced and remarried in the early 80s. So my cousins and I grew up with four grandparents on that side of the family. Heidi is the last one left and just has always been really fond of her. I'm far less fond of Heidi. When I when I was breaking up with an abusive boyfriend, she told me that my generation makes too much of a fuss and that we should just learn to deal with the things like her generation did. Oh, wow. Oh boy yikes. I did deal with it by dumping his ass and getting a full PhD scholarship in Australia there for having an excuse to leave the country and my family for five years. Hey, do what you got to do? Yep, you'd think Heidi would be proud of her youngest granddaughter getting her doctorate, but no. About a month before I defended my thesis. She asked me when I was going to give up this silly University business and get married because I was getting too old and ugly to marry Rich. Oh yikes. She also makes a habit of jabbing me whenever she sees me in pointing out how fat I am and how cheap the fabric of my clothes feel as a result. I'm not a fan of this woman and I avoid her whenever possible. Oh my okay. I can't imagine why Grandma Heidi needs to get the stick out of her ass. Yes. She does when Jessa Noah's wedding date is announced it turns out my parents are going to be in Norway on a business trip that weekend. I'm the only grandchild left in our country though. I live on a different Island than my family lives on because I'm not insane. So Mom turned to me. The following is our email chain. Can we like go back and forth for back and read this? Yeah the way we do in our voices. I love I love that's way too much fun. Okay. Um, I'm gonna Me and you be mom I like when you're gone because of how you read that last story. We did was really funny if Heidi can go how do you feel about traveling together? I prefer to travel on my own looking at my leave balance. It might be a pretty quick trip a polite lie. I have plenty of leave. Okay. I will have a chat with Rachel and see how she feels about Heidi coming over. I feel in some ways. Heidi may be an unwanted additional stress to Rachel's life when it will already be stressful as mother of the bride for Jess. It would be fun to be a fly on the wall. I think the mother has a little bit of drama zesting her. They're great. Given how stressful Scott's wedding turned out to be with my accent. Oh, I was really hoping that jessa's wedding would be unstressed vowel. So let me know what Rachel says then again. I wasn't planning on a North American trip until I was in my house as that's what all my savings and leave are currently being banked for Another plate live. My savings are pretty solid. If you go you would be representing our family. So it is only fair that our family Pace fuck. I'm out of excuses me, so I have to dress nicely and can't get sloppy drunk and start a fight darn and with that it's decided that I am escorting my grandma to Canada for my cousin's wedding. My mom books flights for me and Grandma and I realized that The date of the wedding means I'll have to pull out of my first gymnastics meet. I started gymnastics a few years ago when I turned 30 and it's super fun. That is so fucking cool. Ah, I love ho. You're my hero that's amazing honest incredible which turns out to be a bit of a scramble but I get it done. Then the news comes out. It's going to be an intimate alternative ceremony at my aunt and uncle's house. There's room for 50 guests and no cousins are invited. Oh shit, I start to wonder if my duties have just been reduced to get Grandma to Canada hand her over to the relatives and then have a nice holiday. She's I think that would be like the perfect thing for her to do. Yeah, Mom and Dad have changed their plans. So they're returning home from Norway via Canada to collect Grandma. They're like throw her on the wing. So I just have to get her over there. And then I travel home on my own. This is not acceptable to my mom though who emails Rachel and Jess and demands an invite for me? Oh no fun. I heard Lee email Jess and I apologize for my mother's rudeness. I reiterate that it's her wedding and she can invite who she wants. And if anything could I please come to the brunch the next morning? I figure that's when Scott and Brandon's kids will be in attendance. Not at the ceremony and I'm looking forward to meeting them. I'm clear that since spaces are tight. Happy not to be invited if she wants to invite some of her friends over me. That is super cool. By the way my animals back. It's Rachel here. Probably speaking out of turn but I don't think so. I'm sure it's fine to be a family rut for your parents in a skort Heidi. It's unfortunate. It's a very small unconventional wedding held upstairs in the games room. There is seating for maybe 50 with immediate family and their closest friends. It's full and that's why I know cousins decision even my brother is not getting invited at this point. I double down on my offer to not actually attend the ceremony but just gives in to the pressure of my aunt and mother and adds me to the list as Grim as plus one. Nothing better than being Heidi's date and then I get a call from my mom in late August. She's at the hospital with Heidi. Heidi has leg pain and chest pain with radiation to her jaw and down her arm the doctors suspect either pulmonary embolus or Cute cardiac event. The wedding is seven weeks away. Oh, oh, it's gonna happen. Oh Heidi not looking good. Come back next week for part two of the Canadian wedding Saga. Thank you so much for sending that in if you have any crazy true wedding stories or Bachelorette bachelor party stories anything really that you think will you know light us up make us happy send it to a secret life of weddings at gmail.com. Whoo ready for another story always. Yeah, we have another listener story because you know, we have a lot of those. Can I just say Rebecca before we jump in? I am in awe of how often my phone goes off and I see these amazing emails coming in from people. It is so cool to read. I'm a fan of the podcast. I laugh I listened. Yeah store. I don't care if you just want to say hi drop us an email. Like I have the best time seeing your notes come in it seriously puts a smile on my face every day. Yeah again it does if you just want to say hi. It's awesome. It's all on Rebecca to reply to you, but I get to read them secret life of weddings at gmail.com getting around to replies Rebecca. No pressure whatsoever. She is doing her best. It's a lot man. She is I'm and I'm in. Like the middle of like super busy. I'm so swamped with work right now, if you know anything about wedding photographers and portrait photographers, like fall is the worst. It is the worst. I once shared a meme said something like October for wedding photographers or photographers in general is like spring for accountants. Yeah, you know, well Lisa, can I test I've been super busy with her past few months? Oh, yeah been swamped. You are every week and you're shooting. Oh, yeah, even during the week like a shooting yesterday too. And now I'm just like in editing Abyss right now. Yep. I mean the upside of that lots of podcast listening. Yes. Yes get to catch up on those bad boys. They should make an app that you can listen to your emails and reply to them that probably just exists with Siri at this point. Yeah true. Okay. I love my engagement ring, but I always wanted a bigger Stone. I started looking at Diamond. It was going to cost us like 12 to 15 thousand dollars. I always just assumed that I would buy diamond everything but after looking into it and comparing diamond versus Moissanite. I was absolutely Blown Away by how much more fire and Sparkle the Moissanite had than the diamond Charles in colvard created Moissanite SAR the best in the market with their brand forever one. They are totally unparalleled. We got some amazing earrings from these guys. They gave us the most Beautiful one carat Moissanite stud earrings. I wore them to a meeting. I felt gorgeous. I'm wearing them cleaning my house. She's like mopping. I'm all about these babies. All Charles and kovar jewelry is made with 95% recycled precious metals. I also love that I can wear these moissanite stones without feeling guilty. They're totally conflict-free unlike diamonds Moissanite is one of the rarest minerals in the world. 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She was in a relationship with a guy in another state we all discouraged her from Being in this relationship discouraged her from being in this relationship because he should shit. Do you think that's a typo or was that like a subtle passive-aggressive passive-aggressive? Oh, yeah. It had to be. Yeah. Okay guys if you're in a bad relationship, it's now a relationship. Yes, because the guy was an abusive asswipe definitely relationship she met. Yeah, so naturally they got engaged now a mall. Liz Muslims so they don't really do bridesmaids but the bride always has friends around her to do functions with especially since many weddings in their country are gender segregated this. I know I've shot a lot of these Hmm. This story is going to be about the circus shitshow engagement party. We attended and how we got Uninvited from the wedding am all her sister and I went to every shop in our state looking for the perfect engagement dress for her. We finally found a beautiful. Pink gown that she adored so she called her fiance to wire her the money and he shot it completely down in their culture the fiance pays for all wedding expenses. Okay that I didn't know the reason he did not want it was because it was not read. Apparently. She had to wear red just because her engagement party was on Valentine's Day. Why were we not informed of this before we got blisters on our feet who the fuck knows she Grace without argument and tells us we need to find a different dress. I am annoyed at this moment, but figure that we need to move on and keep looking because we are running out of time. I'm all suddenly just stops being picky and decided on a $50 dress from Macy's is now acceptable. This dress is not even appropriate for homecoming. I could see her belly button through it. No, I calmly tell her to reconsider and she does we find a dress only five minutes layer. That is fine. And I thank the gods of feet that we could go home the next week her soon-to-be mother-in-law shows up and tells her that there is no way that this dress will fit a fat girl like her a mall is a size 6 not fat nor that's totally besides the point. No one should be saying that to her but no feather my mom her sister and I keep trying to convince this girl to run as fast as possible to no avail the day of the engagement. It comes and we all am all my mom her sister and I go to the beauty salon to get all her hair and makeup done. It is a blizzard outside. So after we are done, we want to go back home. We pool into the car because the salon is now closed in a mall refuses to go back home insisting that her fiancé has to pick her up from the salon, even though our house is literally two minutes from there. We are forced to wait in the freezing cold in an unheated car. For 45 minutes until the prince shows up with his brothers to pick her and her sister up because God forbid he picks her up from our house. Now. I started getting suspicious at this moment because I had a sense that we were being lied to but my mother would just not hear me out my mother and I had just spent around $600 on our dresses hair and makeup because Amal insisted that this party is a fully formal event, and we wanted to look nice see since her mom had passed and her dad had gone overseas. We were almost her substitute family for the evening and my mom wanted everything to be perfect for a mall. We were given the address of the hotel where the wedding was to take place. It was in a nice hotel. So we assumed everything was going fine her fiance and his family had chosen the venue and set everything up for the party and we were going to be there to support her. When we arrive at the party. We realized that the venue is a 30 seat conference room. The table had been moved to the wall of the room and take out from the local mid-eastern fast food restaurant was placed on it in aluminum trays covered in Saran Wrap. Now. I am not one to judge budgeting limitations, but it seems that we spent more on our attire than her engineer fiance had spent on the entire event. Wow, the guests from her side of the family were dressed like they just came from the flea market again, not judging many limitations. Ation, but these people are not poor and we were told we had to dress formally because it was a very nice fancy party. Her mother-in-law's hair was dyed orange. She fucking she's like that but just thought it should be Travis Lee had meant to go blond but decided to DIY it and failed miserably but was not at all bothered by it. Her brother came wearing his overalls from work and sat in the lobby staring down all the guests. Without greeting anyone we were all assured to take pictures with someone smart phone. Oh, okay. I'm out. I'm officially no and someone complimented me on my dress. I'm all started looking at me with a fuck you face and I question what was going on. She told me that I was trying to take away the spotlight from her because my hair and dress looked better. Oh my God. Whoa, so am all the bride act. Yeah she does. These people what the fuck I disregarded her comment and comment simply because the day turned out really badly. I thought and she was probably very stressed out. I just quietly sat at our table while she shot me angry glances from the sweethearts table where her future mother-in-law decided to join them. Oh that's really really really romantic. It was time to cut the cake and I was still naively expecting a two or three tier cake that everyone would eat from Of course, her mother-in-law had picked the cake. It was a heart-shaped pink grocery store cake that would feed about 10 people. Wow. Keep in mind. There are about 50 people at this event the Mother-in-law proceeds to Cut the Cake herself and licks the knife to everyone's horror. She gives a piece of the future bride and groom and asks, if anyone would like any the room goes silent. So she takes the cake closes it again. It's from the grocery store and says that she is gonna save it for her kids three men all over 25 years old red flag. Oh at this point. We all just want to leave and we make a polite but Hasty Retreat towards our car and face the blizzard gladly. I did not mean to Jesus, right? I did not see him all for the next few days because she had gone home to prepare for her henna a sort of Middle Eastern bachelorette party, which is usually at the bride's house we show up to this party and a mall is completely distant. She does not say two words to us the entire night. We sit there very uncomfortable and I have a conversation with her sister who reveals that we are not invited to the wedding and we never were so wait just to clarify they didn't already I know because this is like a South Asian kind of thing. Yeah, they had an event. So they I thought that was the wedding that they were at know that was the engagement party. So they do the engagement party and then they do the henna night and then they do the wedding. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, apparently a mall hit our existence from the groom's family and told him that we were family friends that she barely knew the only person that was invited to her wedding was Sister the reason she didn't want to be picked up from our house is because she did not want the groom to know about our existence. She needed us for rides to beauty shops the mall and Islam, but our work was basically done. We left the henna party and shocked silence and I vowed never to help anyone. I did not trust again. Of course, I could not stop my mom from repeating the same mistake with a mall sister, but that's another story. Wow, good. That's so fucking shitty. That was like a Hitchcock twist. Like I didn't I didn't see it coming where she was going to be the bad guy. Totally thought it was going to be the Fiat. Yeah. Yeah. I know well written. Yes. Congratulations on the hook with the fiancee dude major red herring type situation happening there. Wow. That was absolutely incredible. I just want to take a really super quick moment to thank our patreon. And flick Chad premium members this week. Yamuna M KC s Grace be and Anna. Oh, they went to patreon.com slash secret life of weddings to get more episodes. Okay. Thank you so much. You can also go to flick chat and choose to be a premium member there. Check our links in the show notes for both options. Whichever. Yeah, whichever suits you baby. Whatever you want to do. Thanks. Y'all thank you. Let's hit up some double D's before we check out for this week. I've been seeing a lot of Double D's come in from listeners and even oh, yeah, so I can't go back and forth anymore because I gotta get these in okay, so it's like we're just there so it's funny you think divorce is the shitshow of society yet dating apparently craps over everything 10 times. Yes more. Yes. It does right. There are ten times more a hundred times more shitshow dating stories. Then there are shitshow divorce stories. I think. Yep, so I'd say we're in Need of some divorce stories. So if send us some if you got once everyone got one send it so your life for weddings at gmail.com. Hey ladies, remember the story of my number one weirdest date ever the other day and thought you might be able to make use of it for the Double D's no need to make me Anonymous if you do this was like 10 years ago. So I was probably about 20 at the time and I was using OkCupid to meet guys. I met this guy for coffee. At 45 minutes from home. The coffee date went really well. He was extremely cute charming and fun just a really Magnetic Personality who did things like strike up a conversation with the elderly couple at than table next to us and befriend a stranger with a cute dog. So we could go outside and play fetch. Needless to say. I was very intrigued since we were having so much fun together. We naturally wanted to keep the date going what was supposed to be a quick afternoon coffee turned into a stroll through a cemetery and then a jam session. I had brought my guitar natch. He told me I should quote bring my guitar and my pretty face to his party next week and I Delight to lie accepted. We still didn't want to end the date. So he invited me to his house to make homemade Falafel. We spent some time in his sauna wearing only towels some Like kissing occurred but he kept his hands to himself. What a gentleman. This is like accomplish incur a lot. Yeah for a first date. This is crazy. After that, his cousin came over and he asked me to stay and see a movie in town with them. Which I did. I'm thinking. Wow. What an amazing first date this really feels like the start of something special. I can't wait to hang out with him again after the movie. We were saying our good-byes and he hits me with this line. So today was amazing. I'm so excited to have met you I actually have an amazing girlfriend who I love but I think you're looking like the awesome female friend I've been looking for Oh curveball. Whoa. We said this is next level. He said this one. I'm sorry. They made out what the fuck they made out in a sauna. Oh my god. Wow. I got a lot of problems with this one Rebecca, but he said this would total enthusiasm as though it wasn't a completely insane thing to say to someone you've just had an eight-hour date with and kissed in your sauna. I was so caught off guard that I kind of went. Oh cool. Yeah totally and got in my car and go to my car and left. I still wish I'd had the presence of mind to tell him. How fucking weird. That was. I never Hit him again. So sadly. I never got to meet his quote amazing girlfriend. I hope he found the awesome female friend. He was looking for massive. I roll peace. Oh my god. Um, So much wrong. I feel like he was bullshitting freely. Yeah, so you think there was no girlfriend? No, you think it was just he's looking for a way out. Yeah, when he just ghost her at that point. I think he was not a way out. I think he was looking to keep her around without having to commit to her. Yeah, you don't mean yeah, I do like some but yeah. Yeah some selfish alternative. Yes, actually that only made sense to him in the moment, yes. Yeah exactly. Well good luck with all that you're better than that and I think you know that yes, thank you for oh my God. Thank you so much for sending your story. That was absolutely amazing amazing. Absolutely amazing. So I feel like before we go. I just want to check in with you super quick. I feel like so much has happened since we talked last on the podcast because like you went to Atlanta. And we had yeah, like do you understand? We haven't even talked on the podcast since you went to Atlanta. I know crazy and her see like that's already old news. I know it's just been one of those weeks guys where there's so much going on that. Me and Rebecca have been talking about 10 different things. Yeah, since then. Yeah. I have a hilarious story about something happened that happened to Justin. What's that at work? This is great you remembered because I forgot already is. I think I'm supposed to write I was supposed to write my initials or something on a Pinole. Let's do that on the patreon or something our old. Yeah, we'll do it next week. We'll do it next. Yeah. Okay. Apparently Rebecca's going to know a thing if I write like a certain way, so don't forget. Yeah, because I want to know what it means about me. So something hilarious happened to Justin. So he I'm always he's adorable. I think my husband's adorable. He's got dimples. He's blond. He's super cute. Okay, so I'm always like joking with Justin. Yeah. Oh who hit on you today? Come on, someone must have hit on, you know, and it's like nobody hits on me. You know, he's like the guy with the ring on his finger, right? But anyways, so yeah, he's at work. He's got gloves on or whatever he's talking about. Customer he gets he comes home the other day goes so what happened? So what happened because I got hit on today. Ha ha ha I said shut up. Nice come tell me about it. What happened? Like, I'm just so entirely amused right? Yeah, so he's because he's so insanely lovely and dedicated in our marriage that like, it's just the last thing I'm worrying about so I'm hilariously amused by the sun like okay top. Look what happened so he goes and he's just embarrassed. Say when it actually happens. He's he's the type. You'll say to him. I'll say to him. You're so cute and be like I'm go away we go. Yeah, he won't take a compliment, right? Yeah. These two women come up to him or they're nearby him or Darwin. He's working. Here's the one say to the other. I guess they're a little older. Okay, so we're like what mid-thirties I think they're in their late 30s early 40s or something want to go see other? Yeah, he is cute and then and then she she says something to him like love your dimples, you know, and apparently like she was like motioning to the dimples on his face enough that like his coworker was watching this in the The back room on the security camera with no sound and texted him immediately what they like the dimples, huh? That's so funny. It was that obvious. He's got adorable temples my mom. She knew him years ago. She used to call him dimples as a joke. Yeah, he's got these adorable dimples. Anyway, he's like, huh? Thanks. Okay, whatever like he doesn't he can't take a compliment the first place let alone come by at this awkward like, oh my God, these older women are hitting on me kind of thing. So then the one woman goes your perfect accepts you need a tan. And then she goes fuck. My name is Tanya. That's a whole level of cheese. I can't even unpack he goes. He doesn't get it and he goes. Oh, yeah. Okay. Bye. Oh my God. He's like that's the hold and then they walked out and he sees these people a lot. His job too. So like this is not a one-time like he will scroll Biblia. See these people again. That's funny all week. I have been saying to him like Hey, let me to tan. Yeah. Wow, I didn't even get it because he told his coworker who had been watching on the security camera. But yeah, you know and she goes funny. Oh my God, I can't believe she said that that's hilarious quite Funny so that's awesome. I can laugh at that because that often women pull out those cheesy Lines. No kidding right in a little bit. It's usually dudes at bars and I'm like, usually really really admiring of that. Like, I think I think those pickup lines are like hilarious. Yeah. They are the shit. That's funny. Yeah, and it also random Jill moment. I have nothing to tie this to but I think I'll make mention of it. Anyway, it's you know, how you have like a weird memory and you're just like I wanted to mention that on the show yet. Yeah. Jill the other day we were walking home and she goes I was so mad. I was angrier than a hippo that got punched and I was like what what child what so weird my God and super creepy things. She did. This is the thing my child. I love her but sometimes she'll say something to me and I'm like, I'm sorry. Where did you get that listen to this? So I know you don't watch horror movies, but you've seen it, right, you know, you've never original. Yes the original. Yeah, you understand the storyline about it. My daughter I'd like to clarify as five freaking years old. There's no way in hell she has heard about it. She understands. She's not been exposed to this movie. We don't watch this in our house. She has no way of knowing What this is. So the other night she wakes up and she's crying and Justin pokes me and wakes me up because I'm the worst like I'll sleep through her crying and yeah, because she's been calling for you I said, okay, so I got up and she goes. Oh, I had a bad dream so I get in bed with her and I gave her a cuddle. So the next day I pick her up from school because her dad takes her to school and I say hey like what's up? And you know I said so you had a bad dream last night. What was that about and we're walking away from the kindergarten pain and she goes yeah I said, so What was it about you remember and she goes? Yeah, I was I was in a house. I was in our house and I was alone and her brother Liam is a couple years older, right? So she's like I went outside to look for Liam because he went outside and he was calling me. And he was what did she say? He was in the vent outside? Oh my God, and she's like it was raining or something like that and she was keeps calling me and so I had to get in and go underneath and go to him and then there was a bad man in the vent. Oh my God, I went do you mean like a sewer? She goes? Yeah. He was calling me and I said she goes I'm mad at him now because it was just it was his fault that I went in and the dream and I went. Oh my god, did he look like Tim Curry because I am terrified right now and you just described it. Like how how did my child describe it? Yeah to me from a dream that freaking right out. I was like, no. Thanks. Yeah, no. No, we're just going to tap out right now. I not down with that. No, we're not. I know how much you love horror stuff. So no, I don't like cars. We got Halloween coming up. So, you know, I had to leave a little bit of spooky. But yeah, it happened and I was told Justin's like you know, what your daughter just did. This is kind of fucked up. You tell me if you have any insight he didn't so we have yeah, we have no idea like, you know normally with kids as you know, as a mom you could be Oh, they watch that movie. Or that TV show or yeah that cartoon there was nothing. Hmm. So that was a weird one. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird crazy. So good night everybody. Ha ha ha but ya know Atlanta was good like you went to like an Alice in Wonderland kind of thing. Oh, yeah. I did we didn't talk about this. Can you give me just a quick Lowdown you show you? Here are some photos on your Instagram stories or something, but I saw a couple. Yeah, so I flew in I dropped my bag at the hotel and I went to the Atlanta Botanical Gardens because they had Alice in Wonderland themed exhibit. So it was everything like Alice in Wonderland all plants, right? So it was really cool very quick to see Edward. Scissorhands had been let loose in that motherfucker. Yeah is really impressive. Yeah. It was really cool. I highly recommend going to see that even if it's a different exhibit because it just is all done or is it no it's done the end of October. So I think the 27th. So if you're in a lana go check it out. It's pretty cool. And then I went to the Coca-Cola museum right after I literally had four hours to myself and I just fucking ran with it. Like I tried to fit the stuff in there for you, and then I had to work but I'll be in bed having a App. Yeah, then I went to the Coca-Cola museum, which is really cool too. And yeah, then I'm going to the hotel and I was there the rest of the time yeah, you were super busy as she she podcasts and met some. Yes amazing women. I did met some great people and yeah, I went really well. Well, that's great. I'm glad you're home safe. I'm glad ya you flew and nothing went wrong because you know, I know you don't love flying Xanadu took my seat, which wasn't happy about because you know, I booked a window seat and And he's sitting here he was sitting there and I'm like kind of like that's my see. Why don't you take them out? I don't know. I'm too nice. Oh, honey, you know what he fucking knows me too because there was a kid behind me again and kid kicked my seat the whole flight and I've now decided that there should be adult only flights. I'm sorry. Yes kids. I have three kids though. So I don't have to and I am on board for this so there is no excuses like for real because I was losing my fucking mind. I was oh my god seriously around and talk to the parents like that is who I am. I also would have kicked that guy out of my motherfucking see because that is my seat. I know this is why there is a problem with me. Do you understand? I know but I'm all night. I was like he knows that's not his seat. Like my it says right on my ticket that I have a window seat. So whatever see if he was like the seat right next to you. Could kick him out and then give him Shifty side eyes the whole rest of the flight really judgy. Yeah, you know when they come around and offer you pretzels you could be like, oh, what do you want those too? Here you want to take mine too? Okay, always your passive-aggressive. Yeah. There you go. It'd be really good. Yeah. Well, thank you for hanging out with us this week on the wedding's podcast guys. It's been amazing and Rebecca anything can happen at weddings and we will be here to tell you all about it. Well, that's it for us this week on The Secret Life of weddings podcast. If you need more drama in your life go over to patreon.com slash Secret Life. Of weddings to sign up for additional weekly episodes. The first few episodes are free. So go check it out patreon.com slash secret life of weddings, and we will see you here next week.

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Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror Pride cast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls. And Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this is a micro sewed and on the road. Micro sewed. Yeah. I don't know if you can hear the dog panting in the background, but we are currently in the RV. We are in Austin, Texas. It is hot. It is so hot. Oh God. It is hot. We were already waving. Goodbye to Summer back home. The leaves had changed colors you right? Yeah. Yeah, the grass had already given up pumpkins were large. Were eaten I brought a jacket with me because I had started regularly wearing a jacket. No that jacket the jacket is dead weight in the RV right now. I am ruining our fuel economy with the additional clothes that I brought but it's great. I'm happy to finally be here. It's honestly nice to be warm again. I know it's hot. I know it's hot. I can see you I can see that you're not enjoying this like, what are you talking about? You are rolling. I cannot agree with you on the spot. I prefer the summer over the winter. So I'm doing fine. I'm just not some girl just not getting used to it yet like sweaters and scarves. Holding coffees fashionably. We're here in Austin, Texas for fantastic Fest the probably coolest genre Film Festival of the Year. Oh, totally absolutely 100% you doing stuff like that. I'm hot. I can't even hear what you're saying. Yeah. Okay. So we're going to make this real quick because obviously obviously you're here to hear what next week's episodes gonna be about we're gonna tell you the two movies that were talking about next week. I can't even give you the title because it'll give it away but Kim Kim pitched very very hard for this weeks episode I did and it doesn't have anything to do with our monthly theme this month on this month on and off as podcast.com. We are doing teen Month Teen scares and this week's episode is not that this is you're gonna like it though. It's a very guilty pleasure. And yes, I think you're I think you're going to enjoy it real quick though Kim before we tell everybody what movies were talking about. What movie are you most looking forward to at Fantastic Fest this year? You can pick two of you on I am most looking. Forward to the egg foot release. It's a screening of an old film The McPherson tapes. I don't know anything about it. So nobody tweeted me because I'm not seeing until next week. It is dubbed like the first found footage film ever made. It's only 63 minutes and 1989. It's found footage and it looks the the promo image looks fucking spooky. So I fall I know I'm not reading a synopsis. I'm not going any further than that. I really want to fucking see. It because I mean, we all know that I love found footage. So that's what I'm excited for. Me personally I am most excited for is tough. There's a lot of really good movies this year like guns akimbo. Can't wait to see that one. But if I gotta pick one, I'm picking show Bigos is VFW. That's what I would have picked for you. Yeah. Yeah. You said a state movie. It looks like Assault on Precinct 13 with just like methamphetamine injected into it. I can't wait. It's gonna be great. It's a bunch of old timers like genre favorites. Just going up against mutant Punk bikers. Yeah. Yeah, please give me this movie. My other pick oh, so now if you said I could pick to okay, it's fine is the pool. We watch the trailer for it. Shut up, John we watch the trailer for it last week and I knew nothing about it and looks super fun. And so I my bag it follows a couple who are swimming in a public pool. I think it's an abandoned public pool or they're just trying to do a photo shoot or something. I have no idea. Yeah. I'm not the end up in an abandoned pool. It is drained and there are no ladders. So they're essentially stuck in a motherfucking. An empty pool but that's just the setting because there's a motherfucking alligator. I kind of wish that wasn't in the trailer but it's definitely getting butts in seats, right? We already wanted to see you when it was just been stuck in the pool. Oh, yeah. This is like open water with no water. Yeah. It's open water to with no water exactly. I'm so excited. So we're going to see that next week. I'm very pumped. I'm going to I already technically mentioned guns. Akimbo. I'm very excited to see that Jason Lee Howard hadden's follow-up to death kasim. Oh boy, like you didn't you don't have to tell me anything else. That but I'm gonna I'm gonna say that the other movie I'm most excited for is not technically part of fantastic Fest unless of course, it is one of the two secret screenings because there are two secret screenings that I can't wait to check it out. Look at it is Rob Zombie's three from hell. We're seeing it tonight the the night they were recorded by the time this comes out. We will have already seen it. So on the site we will have a review very shortly hopefully because I'm currently looking at my computer with one bar of Wi-Fi. So write it from your phone Harper. Or dog. You can hear ya. You don't care if they're Matilda. Oh now you're quiet. Don't say her name you're encouraging her to talk. Yeah, I can talk on this thing last thing. I wanted to shout out to on Friday Friday the 13th that just passed we played Friday the 13th the game with our patrons and it was a complete blast John and I hadn't played four months almost a year. We hadn't played no nor have we ever streamed anything on Twitch before? No. That was an interesting experience. Oh, yeah. We just thought the microphone was always off and there was like I can hear you. It just goes to show how little we know about technology house. Great. It was wonderful. We watch movies guys. It was a blast though because we had some really good players who who had the oh man Tom savini Jason. Yeah, but it was really fun. So we're going to try to do that for patreon. We've been we've been doing live streams and trivia and stuff previously, but we're going to try to do more of these gaming nights or currently playing on PS4. So if you are on patreon and you want to join us, we're going to try to do them every 13th day of the month come. A up in October. Obviously, we're going to be on the road. So it's going to be while attending if we do it, but we're going to aim for it. We're gonna try to do it. If not, October 13th. We're definitely going to be doing it November 13th and you can find out more details at patreon. But yeah, it was so much fun. So thank you to our patrons who joined us and like a few of you picked up the game and borrowed systems to yeah. Yeah. It was so much fun. Like I can't wait till we get like a huge room in there and we got a cycle through and there's like so many Because it's it's a blast so yeah, check it out. Patreon.com slash Nightmare on Elm Street, hopefully next 13. You wanna let them know movies were watching. Yes. Do you have a name for next week's episode I do but you kept you kept kind of shooting it down, but we're doing an official good. Let's hear it. The title of next week's episode is the devil and Keanu Reeves. Okay, fine. I'll applaud like I got I got a chance at the one your brother was your last episode like prom dress one. I'm the devil in a prom dress. Oh, you're so right. So it's devil how it makes sense at all. It's all come together. We just didn't know it. So, of course we will be talking about Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino in The Devil's Advocate, but more importantly we will be talking about the Keanu Reeves classic super celebrated. Everyone loves it. Best comic book adaptation ever made. Nobody's gonna tweet it as about this but this phrasing tell Swindon's God. That's right. We're talking about Constantine. I can't wait this movie is near and dear to my heart. I don't care what anybody says. I genuinely think it's fantastic. So that episode is going to be coming out next Thursday on Apple podcasts Spotify Google Play, wherever you get your podcasts watch those movies or don't do whatever you want in the meantime tweeted us at NFS podcast. You can find us in our Facebook group at facebook.com. Mom / groups / horror films of NTFS and let us know what you think of our road Mike. Don't worry. It's not going to be our full-length episodes. Mike just gonna be doing our intros and or interstitial bits on it, but let us know if you if the audio sounds okay. We're this is our first time doing this for recording from the same room. We're sleeping in. Yeah our van. Well when you say it like that, it's a no, it's a motorhome our mobile Studio our auto motor home. All right, we gotta go because I need the air conditioning on him die. Yeah, one last thing. Of course, if you can find us on all the social channels to see what's up with fantastic Fest get the movie. We see what we're doing see what we're eating. And of course movie recommend, you had lots of tacos movie recommendations. If you are going to be in the Ohio area, we will be at Terror Town October 4th 5th and 6th in Williamsburg, Ohio come with us. We're going to be hosting a screening of Sleepy Hollow. We're gonna be playing Dead Alive Bingo. 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Hey, thanks for tuning in to my podcast. No bad news by Yours Truly Dom P. Make sure you go. Follow me on all social media platforms and as always stay motivated. Hey, hey, happy Monday folks. We are in the last week of January. Thank you all so much for coming back for another week from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for everyone for tuning in last week. We had an awesome turn out over 50 viewers, which was super awesome. I got people from Puerto Rico. I got people from India didn't even think that was possible. But here we are episode to quote of the day celebrate each Victory no matter how small. For me I take that quote to Heart big time. I remember last week when I was talking about those resolutions me personally. I'm on this fitness journey and every little pound every little muscle that starts to pop. I'm in the mirror. I'm looking look at me go. You only get one life. So don't let people bring you down by making you feel like you're small-time or making you feel like something isn't really an accomplishment. Look if it's a step in the right direction. You need to be proud of yourself, okay? Oh, no bad news for the week. Let's get these stories popping. Okay, six years ago. Bilal haulings got shot in the head while trying to break up a fight. He survived so don't don't think I'm trying to give you any bad news. It was horrible. But here's the amazing part. He had to relearn how to walk and talk again. But this past December he was able to walk across stage and grab his diploma from Eastern Michigan University you all from the Detroit area probably heard the story but The Story Goes further than that gets a little bit deeper while he was in college. He was struggling trying to work a job and go to classes mind you he was running off fumes running on E and with his type of injury due to the gunshot to the head. He would have seized. Sirs, so last summer prior to graduation he faced housing issues and was homeless pretty much found itself sleeping in bathroom some nights crazy, right? Here's where it gets better. He joined student government and created a committee to help students with housing and or food insecurities. Now, I love it when people build off the things they didn't have to make easier for others that come after them. Does that make sense? He basically took something that he didn't have F and created something for people who needed it that's amazing sir. I love the fact that you had so many odds against you and you still came out to walk across stage super amazing. I know a lot of people who have had or have similar opportunities for took it for granted and I hope you're listening and this gives you some motivation. You need to get back on track the amazing folks so internet article. Bilal said it's important to take a break and dance. I love it and I say just like we started celebrate each Victory no matter how small but below that's huge young man continue to do those great things and keep beating the odds. Next topic of the week Carson Huey you out of Fort Worth Texas this young man is 17 years old and believed to be the youngest student to ever receive a master's degree from TCU. How great is this young man going to be he received his undergrad at the age of 14. This isn't just any degree either not Not downplaying anybody's degree. But this young man has his Master's in physics. What do you thing young man? And hold up? Wait, there is more his younger brother Canaan 14 and electrical engineering major at TCU. Katie wants to be an astronaut Kanan. Can I tell you something you will be an astronaut? Shout out to these young Brothers for being the definition of putting in work this Monday has started off fantastic. I hope you all are Plan is for your kids younger siblings or any youngsters, you know still in school. I remember saying to myself. I can't wait to be a grown up not knowing the things I could have been doing at a young age. So shout out to those young men and their support system. Now. I got a little bit of celebrity news coming next. We're going to go to a quick commercial break really quick. Hey, if you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's a creation tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. That's right. It's everything you need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. So as I said, I got a little bit of celebrity nose and it's positive celebrity news, but this hits close to home. So it's only right as you all know, Jaden Smith Will Smith's son for those of you that don't know. I know some of you were like, oh I know who he is. My bad. I'm just doing my part in making it clear. Don't be so defensive on a Monday morning Jaden Smith donate it. A water filtration system to Flint Flint, Michigan. Not as first one this is number 4 he donated his fourth water filtration system named waterboxx pumps out about 10 gallons of clean water per minute. Now. I know a lot of people including myself donated a lot of water bottles to Flint but, you know providing water bottles and that magnitude created an environmental crisis. So he's looking at adding a fifth waterboxx to Flint this year. Jaden thank you, sir. I wish a lot more celebrities would take their fortune and get back and help save those in need. You're leading by example young man. And last story of the Day little bit more celebrity news and it fell Pro Bowl tight end Martellus Bennett. I love this one. He wrote a 32-page book called dear black boy and using this platform to encourage the youth to be more than just athletes. Here's what the preview says. Dear black boy is a letter of encouragement to all the brown skin boys around the world who feel like sports are all they had. It's a reminder that they are more than athletes more than a jersey number more than a great crossover or 40 yard dash time. And that's the biggest game they are going to play is The Game of Life. Excuse me. The biggest game they are going to play is The Game of Life. Yes. Yes. Yes, we needed that Martellus. This book is available on Amazon Barnes & Nobles. Google Books. Listen, it's out there. This is my second year personally being a mentor and if you don't know, I do have a program called promise to pass. This is my first year running this promise to pass Mentor program, but I am a mentor through Grand Rapids a Grand Rapids school called River City Scholars Academy. I've got three boys on Mentor I've had Six boys total in the past two years all of them have been athletes when they see me in my khakis where my polos or wear my button up shirts and I tell them, you know Sports aren't everything use it as a vehicle. It's tough for them to grasp that now I have substance I can back it up. Not that I couldn't before but now that I've got physical substance for them as well. It's awesome going into that mentorship program. I was talking about a lot of the young men that I Mentor have a little bit of trouble at home or you know, there's no father in the house or the father in the house isn't a father that is very well involved. So on that note I sat down with a group of men last Tuesday. The part of this group called real dad's located right here in Grand Rapids, Michigan now, don't get me wrong. I grew up with my dad in the household my son and my daughter have Nia Sold, but I wanted to make people aware of the reality of what it's like not having a father in the household and how it affects the man and or their kids check out this short clip. But it happens. It happens a lot. Like I said, it's so many parents out there. You know, they grow up why I know people was like, okay. I see my dad 20 years. It's almost way too common with are not I see - I don't even know my dad like this like like normal like it like, you know, how many people in the room know they as you raise your hand is like couple people everybody else. Both pairs, but I think it's like this is cycle and it's a cycle and it's his and we get her and then that's the thing like my dad was in my life. He enough passed away when I was a freshman in high school, but I understand like that feeling of like, you know, they too want that person to be there. So they're like for me like I'm looking at it like okay. My dad has to weigh your dad still hear you. No, God relates to a go there. I wish I wish my dad was here so our conversation with her. So I'm looking at it like that too. So it's just I was hoping with to look at it. It's deep. Yeah, it's you look at if you guys watch that you recommend. That is that meant I was really stuck to be because it's like here's a guy who was in his life pretty much fortunately. A certain way that's awesome. He's traumatized by. Yeah. Yeah, I mean sure fatherhood has something even when you're not the strongest person strongest kid in the room turn things around even if somebody is this, I don't know what to say. He's got to be done like this. You got a hit on me. Got to really evaluate hit like who you really dealing with you is that you could you could end up? Yes, I mean what's the brothers that have ended up out here? Like what you was talking about? Let's just say the woman is what you do if your payment asked what you can see your feet and we got all these parameters not as important anymore your each other actually. It's deep stuff just so you guys know there are some upcoming events. I'll here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I'll be at February 22nd at life quests. It's a community fatherhood Summit forefathers in the community passionate about advancing fatherhood and Kent County and March 18th at Baxter Community Center speed networking put on by endless opportunities. I attended this last year speeding at working for middle schoolers and high schoolers to practice networking skills that Three networkers will be awarded a scholarship. Shout out to the homie AJ and endless opportunities. It was an awesome event last year and it's good for the middle schoolers and high schoolers but is also good for the adults that are actually conducting these interviews more details on that to come be sure to check the links in the episode description or hit me up personally to gain more info on what I've got going on. motivational topic of the week you asked for it. I am going to deliver. Topic of the week. Now before we go on the topic for this week. Let's get a little recap on last week. Okay last week was building and consistency. If you can recall I talked about the three type of people that go into the gym, right? We talked about breaking and building bad habits. Now. Don't forget. I will shout you out every week to hold you accountable for those 2020 goals and at the end of the year 21 days before the year ends. Find out what bad habit you're trying to break. And what you're trying to build going into 2021 so far only one person has taken me up on that offer. My brother Mario says he wants to get in better shape be a better example for his kids. My man. We will do that. We will do that. I'ma hold you to that promise that this week's topic. luck Screw luck. That's the topic screw luck. Screw it you don't need luck. We need dedication. You don't need luck. You need patience, but you don't need luck need to be consistent. You don't need luck. You need to control what you can control and stop worrying about the things you can't control luck by definition. Let me tell you what luck is by definition. Okay, stay with me on this success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions. I'm going to say it again luck by definition is successful or failure apparently brought by chance rather through one's own actions. Or failure what some people misinterpret look like it can only be a good thing. It's not true brought by chance rather than one's own actions what you mean? I can create my own luck. Yes. Yes, you can see if you walk off the bank with a thousand dollars in cash right. Now. Let's say you're in a rush because you need to run some errands and then your phone rings. We all know our phones are just like another part of our body. So there's no way you can just let your Phone ring now you're distracted. You're fumbling through your pockets with one hand as you walk to your car and let's just say that envelope of thousand dollars of cash just falls to the ground you get off the phone you get to your destination you look at all around for that money. You can't find it. You're going to call it bad luck, right? The person walking into the bank that just so happens to see this envelope on the ground. Just got a thousand dollars richer. You're going to call that good luck. That's not good luck. That's the outcome of being in the right place at the right time. It's a huge difference. That's the outcome of reaping the benefits of someone not paying attention and Gathering their focus because they're in a rush. You don't have bad luck. You got scheduling issues. Does that make sense? You have to skip you have scheduling issues because you're in a rush to go somewhere, but ask yourself. Why are you in late in the first place car broke down? What happened? You need to be pre-planning for these things to happen. So you're not late. You're not rushing and you're ready to roll. Like I said, you don't need luck you need patience good news for you is I'm the type of person to pick that thousand dollars of cash up and turn it back into the teller because I believe in karma and I know people have worse problems than mine. Some people might laugh like, aw, man. If I saw a stack on the ground Finders Keepers, well fine what goes around comes around but when something bad happens to you don't ask why that's you paying for everything has a cost. If you think $1,000 just cheap check out the guy that turned in $27,000 other day. He turned in $27,000 that he found back into the bank look it up. If you don't believe me Google it you all have Google you should have Google and if you don't know how to Google you need to learn how to Google right now. Be consistent be dedicated be patient control what you can control and don't worry about the things you can lock is not real we make that up in our minds. You think Bilal got shot in the head by luck. You think you became homeless by luck. You think he graduated college by luck those teenage boys from TCU didn't get their degrees by luck flit didn't get for clean water stations by luck. This deer Black Boy book didn't happen by luck. These things happen because people take advantage of the opportunity that's in front of them. So you need to take advantage of the opportunities around you and watch how you thrive and it will have nothing to do with luck. So I have the opportunity to schedule a last-minute interview with a buddy of Mines will and his partner Tyler. You can follow them on Instagram Tyler's as Tyler's underscored wellness and Will's is ill will 70 follow those guys on Instagram. M they have a networking event coming to Grand Rapids this week stay tuned on how you can earn a free ticket for you and a plus one. Check this out. Like what I'm doing right now is making big strides towards trying to move to that future goal, which is doing like I could do coaching or just showing people in general that there's more ways that you can make income during your own talents and didn't come. Yep. So like currently on building websites getting that started. I started to be a company and also the mission Master mind as well, okay? And from there, we've just been able to compile resources together and grow a network. And so that's kind of getting off the ground now still like Midway. I'm doing like side hustles. Like, you know, we got door - or whatnot and all these other like things that you can do to make income just like well, I'm doing that other stuff awesome. So yeah still grinding. Yeah, always you sir just a little background kind of your all right? Well, I know you of course absolutely were a teacher Kind of box of clothes. He was one of my students one of the attendees will come to take classes and now he's a teacher crazy rather title books. Both time trainers throw hands. Yes, sir. But may you course, you know me from Title Boxing Club and then I also had I had what will happen with how I met with Tyler was basically I took a little trip out of town to actually add a country to like Germany would travel like six different countries and I had Just got like mad content on this camera. I had bought by did not edit videos and stuff like that. So what did it Jim talked to the guy? He said there's a better do it. His name's Tyler. So give him my number. I was like, all right. I think I seen the guy text him a couple times and then we met and then started and just kind of talk to them understanding that he knows how to work the camera stuff like that. We never got to editing the videos because there was a little bit of work I had to do but This kind of through that connection follow my Instagram following Facebook Snapchat. Just got to see his kind of doing similar business-minded Concepts and stuff like that. And I kind of always learning and pushing myself to learn new things and kind of seemed like he was the same way like growth mindset and then I think we might have hung out like maybe a couple times. I say no maybe at the bar or something like that, but I got to make sure he's number first, right? Yeah. Maybe worked out a couple times and stuff like that. I had read I was working my little Factory job. I used to work at before I came personal trainer. So just working in a factory and have like earbud in and I'd be listening to like books better than books. I listened to was a think you grown. Rich and after thinking Grow Rich, he and and Think and Grow Rich. He explains the principle of The Mastermind and he says Fine like smart people people who are like you and people who have Bills and I think alike man is do tightly South like somebody who should be the maximum his people. Yeah head up a group of people and I had audible so I just had these books and I'll be like bro read this book. We're going to start Mastermind said to like a few people but Tyler he seemed like he was the only one who was like, I'm going to read the book. So he reads the book, you know in the in the book. I'm like man. It sounds like Mastermind like man, it's gonna be hard to do it like Itself now I was also reading something else is like delegate your task get somebody else involved. So I was like maybe if I can get some somebody else involved to help me. So, you know further along he reads the book and then he's like, yeah, let's get some gone. It's really excited about he's like the only one. All right, let's do it man and then kind of things die down a little bit. Maybe I lost contact with him, but then I see him on Facebook and he's like, oh that's a mastermind meaning restarting Mastermind. I'm like damn so this is this is The Mastermind. I gotta get with these guys. I got started and after that we just kind of we've been slowly building staying and getting people who are passionate and have skills. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, I know he had mentioned it that know me and you have meta Title Boxing Club at the time you were working the factory job. Are you still working there too? I am back right now. So you're just full of law enforcement. Painting titled. That's what I'm talking about. I love it. I love it. So the way I got into this is you had an Instagram Story one day and I was listening to it and it was talking about this new wave culture. Tell me about that. Okay. So new way of coaching is actually my personal brand that I'm just trying to push kind of self-betterment and growth and kind of taking a journey to figure out more about yourself and I call it a new way because I want like Of your generation may be like, you know, like the hip-hop culture to be involved in it and just kind of to receive like whether it be personal training nutrition training life life coaching kind of like in mindset coaching to just kind of bring the best version of yourself into this reality, you know, just get to that untapped potential that we are awesome. Hey, you guys got an event coming up here some when is that of it? So everybody know 31st of this month 6:30 here at this Panera actually. Okay. Okay. So what are we going to have going on here? Because essentially I wanted to attend this event. I'm a Title boxing trainer myself. Like I mentioned to you guys before the interview, I won't be able to make but I wanted to make sure somebody I knew some lucky listening out there. So pay attention. What is this meeting this networking event that we're calling it? What are we going to be doing here? What can they look for? If they decide to pick up a ticket right now, alright, so they decided to pick up a ticket right now. This is what I wish we'll wait when first in the story because that's kind of how it all got started and you know, read the book Think and Grow Rich and you know, it kind of literally help it all forward, right, you know, so we kind of got basically The Mastermind that we built in here to explain our own stories and how we got to this point and having that like exponentially where you can just hear our stories and understand that this is something that actually can help you and then that way maybe you'll want to read that book, you know. But you'll know that there's actually people out here that are doing things and moving forward and you can actually turn it like again turn whatever you want to do into your life, you know instead of just dreaming about it. You can actually take steps and actually do things and then you had kind of mention something cool. And if it's if I'm at any point giving away something that you guys are saying for the show. Just let me know. I know you mentioned before we started recording that you guys wanted to get people in the position to where they decided they wanted to do something they wanted to change their lives and You can kind of get them in front of the people that can help them get those steps and get the ball rolling, right? Okay, also, yeah, that's what you know, you'll get to see a couple of us up here which are also resources that you'll be able to use. So for example myself, I build websites and your advertising for people and all that kind of stuff. So I'm always like in the tech side of things and so that's a great resource that people if they're starting their own business, you know, starting a website stuff. You know, where do you start? How do you do it? You know, but you have someone that's done it multiple times that I'm going out to these businesses and also offered my services. And so them to and then just making deals. So like you have a great resource that you can use for that and we also have personal trainers in there. You have nutritionists in there, which is coaches, you know nutrition mindset things people have done went through spiritually, you know just stories that can have kind of helped you and stories that you can relate to that. You can learn from the let's say, I don't know you guys where can I find this information? So there's a couple places actually so first we could use the Michigan Mastermind Instagram. So Michigan underscore Mastermind second would be in all of our individual Instagrams to someone's house has Wellness. You got hail Will 70 on Instagram. Yep, and then we also have I'm starting a mastermind website for itself right now the domains not a not a solid domain like it's not set for that but it's like Google site. So we're getting on that. And then also we have Travelers wellness.com, which I talked a little bit about When people to the official site when it's up as well, I also have my sight NuWave coaching.com. There's information about the event. There's well, it's for all those people that don't know I'll give you the details they got an event going on and like I said, I can't make it. So what I'm doing is I'm going to get one of these lucky listeners per ticket. We want to fill those seats you want people to experience this, right? So all you have to do is on my Instagram page and I'm going to put the question. Okay, and this motivated by design for those who don't follow I'm going to put a question up and all you got to do is get the right answer and you will be automatically selected into a drawing to get this ticket. Okay, and it's going to be a question from last week's podcast not gonna give it away now because you got I want you to go listen to the podcast. Of course, I need more listeners, but also wanted to be a part of this so you go listen last week's podcast. I'm going to post a question on my Instagram story. You get the question right? I'll notify you that you got to write in that year in the drawing. Unlike you're going to get to attend this event next week. Okay. Fellas. I want to appreciate you guys taking your time out and we'll see you guys soon. Right first Friday Wellness mindset Nutrition Fitness business storytelling Free Speech art expression networking meet with people who have skills. Like you don't know me with people who are smarter than you and me with people want to help you and can help. Possible future opportunities. Yep. We'll be there make yourself a priority so we can do the tickets to if you want to kind of talk about the tickets. Maybe let's see you have all of our tickets on a sale items that you'll take it I believe is about $20 off right now. Yeah, that's a pretty nice promotion. What's the regular going rate for their tickets? A regular going rate is about $100. Yeah, and then so again lucky listener is going to win that tickets go. That's amazing for them. They'll get coaching with each of us as well. So that's a great benefit to them at no extra cost at all sweeping and silver ticket. That's also one of twenty dollar sale to which is normally about what I've edited 75. So it's 55 right now and then the bronze I think we have one sale for 35 square so that gold take it gold ticket. You're going to get front-row attendance. You're going to be able to sit in the front row bring a plus one. So if you get that ticket you can come. Two people that doesn't matter if you split that ticket cost or however, you do it. Also you're going to get one free month of coaching from all coaches. So I'll coach is combined. So you get like a week worth of me. You can do nutrition. You can learn Fitness I can get you in shape for that one week get you programs available meal plan all the type of stuff mindset coaching Tyler. He does his thing with the video video production web sites. He helped me get one website. I started I also do a little bit of work, but he's the man for that videos and stuff like that networking marketing. We got our guy if you have lower back pain 90% of Americans have lower back things. He does my ability Mobility specialist. He can give you a program. He can give you workouts to do that type of stuff and having a body. We also got our guy Jay. He does vegan transition. So if you're trying to transition to a healthier diet, Trying to go towards veganism vegetarian he can coach you and guide you and push you towards that towards that direction I get you started. So there's also that's what that one free month. You'll be able to choose from any of those coaches. You know, what's so that's that what else go take a closer? Look honestly got to talk about a lot of it, but that front row seating, you know, because we have limited seating for the yard once again, essentially you will be able to really learn in fatigue sort of are you there? Learn how to get the speech if you are interested in speaking of you want it possibly get on stage this opportunity to learn how to get in front of people and how to speak I mean is this is huge for me because you know, I got a lot of people and myself included that was one of my biggest hurdles for the new year is is getting myself in better shape will know I don't play around in the gym at all. But, you know, my diet has been one of the things that have been like toughest things readjust. So a lot of the people are Alex last week weeks not trying to give this away. But if you're listening you might be able to get something out of this. That was the biggest thing. I challenge each and every listener that if they wanted me to shout them out every week just to hold them accountable for their fitness goals. Yeah, so only had two people open up an offer so far which is fine, but they're going to get that at this event. So they're going to get some coaching they're going to get yeah, it's crazy. So folks say to him how to win that and yeah, I want appreciate you guys Tyler. Thanks for sitting somewhere. Estimated. Well, that's always turn up will need to never to that Title Boxing still right yesterday. I was a Tuesday and okay, if you want to shoot over the Granville, I'm Wednesday and Friday at 5:30 a.m. Only for the early risers early bird gets the worm. Okay. Awesome. Hey guys, so that's silver take it that we went over to gold ticket. There's only four gold tickets left with already sold one go ticket. He might buy one. He might not know I'm getting when somebody's giving Could be three Labs so that go take it get you one month of coaching. You can bring a plus one to the event. You're going to get front row seating for taking speeches. Learn how to speech and yeah, so the next drop down from it is silver tickets going right now for $50 $50. You're going to get admission to the event. You're going to get one free week of coaching from a coach of your choice. So that's one coach and you can get coach watching for one week and bronze Ticketron ticket $30 get you in the building motivation inspired and motivated. We're going to get little bit of preview of what the other get is, correct. Yeah. It's a little bit of a little taste. We'll take the best takeaway is the knowledge. So you guys just come in and absorb the knowledge that we've learned from all the books and everything that we put in the time that we put into the research and just building all these resources together. You can absorb all this knowledge and maybe even figure out how to start your own Mastermind. That's your Yeah, you see you start young Master a lot of crazy stuff. You can do nowadays, you know like Drop Shipping or how to drop ship start your own business or Instagram. If you want to grow your followers grow your following you too. I don't know some of these you might have to charge for now, you know to start to push flew towards that direction to get around people who do stuff. So you guys heard it? So hey January 31st. I'll have the links in my profile my Spotify and my anchor every single platform that I'm at least on I will have a link to it balls in your career. Huge shout out again for everybody who's been supporting the podcast last week. When awesome. Hopefully this week is just as good we hit Puerto Rico in India. That's huge. I always preach about having a great support system and you all have been absolutely amazing. Keep pushing me to be better. I know a lot of you have reached out to critique me and tell me to stop saying the word or slow down. That's love. I'm trying to get better each and every week and I can only do that with your love and support. Be sure to keep sending me those positive stories, please. Sharing this podcast with others and I appreciate you all. Lastly eln see Early Learning neighborhood collaborative. They are a program that I have donated school supplies to I have donated baby supplies to it's an awesome program right here in Grand Rapids. I want to make sure they keep getting the support for me. 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This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening one one person who visited me during the break had a question. That was a good not that all the other questions weren't good. But this one is a question of good General relevant. So do you want to repeat your question? Right. Yeah. Well, it's a really good question. So the question is Nietzsche said God is dead. And he believed that things would fall apart as a consequence of that and I'm claiming for example that people have an implicit religious structure and they acted out. Okay, so there's actually a lot of things happened as a consequence of the fact that that's a reasonable issue a good question. So one of the things you might think about is that so Nietzsche's claim and Osteo skis claim were quite straightforward. They said that once you took the foundation out of something it would fall it might take a long time to fall especially if it's a big thing. So, you know, you could make the claim for example that the Soviet Union basically fell in 1970, but it took 19 years to topple over because it's a big thing right? It's just doesn't crumble all at once and so nature and dostoevsky's claim would be once you hack out the basic assumptions and In them that it's only a matter of time until the entire structure decays and you could think that perhaps you know if you have a habit. And then you become conscious of the habit and you practice a new habit. Then you can have a new habit. And so what that means is that you can use your conscious mind to restructure your implicit beliefs. It's hard or you can use your conscious mind to destroy your belief in the value of those implicit actions and demolish them across time. Okay, so that could happen and I think to some degree that has happened. It's certainly happened enough so that people are very confused about what they believe or even about what belief means because A contradiction between what people think and there's and how they act so okay, that's one. tangent so to speak young actually took that question very seriously in some sense because nature here's the flaw and Nietzsche's argument. I think that's like I hesitate to ever say that because like I said, he was a Staggering Genius. So but Nietzsche believed his proposition was that once the religious edifice fell that people would have to create their own values. So he believed that the over man the Superman so to speak would be a new type of Being like an existential type of human being who would be able to accept the fact that there was no ultimate meaning but create their own values. Okay, what the weird thing about that is you don't actually seem to create values. That's what that's where Nietzsche's flawed. I think that's where he implicitly accepted the presuppositions of the rationalists because if there's no real source of value, then it stands to reason that you create values, but you don't not easily like, you know, think about Your own life, you know, so let's say you make a New Year's resolution. You say well, I'm going to study like 3 hours a day. It's like you're trying to create your own value structure, right? But then you find out it's a lot harder than you think because you don't listen to yourself. It's like you wander off and you know play video games or watch something on YouTube, you know, and and you know, why are you doing that? Well, it's because you're led by values you don't create them now. Maybe there's a co-creation, you know, because it's not like you can't change yourself at all. We should be very careful before we jump to the conclusion that values are or even can be something that people actually create now the phenomenologist see like Heidegger and young as well would say no. No, let's let's just not get too hasty about making the presupposition that we can or should create our own values. Now one reason you might be hesitant to do that. Is that Hitler created his value so to speak and so did the Soviet Communists and North Koreans, you know, they're trying to impose a rationalist value structure on a society and the consequences of that have been you know people debate about how many people died in the Soviet Union as a consequence of internal repression and as the Marxist revisionist so rally back to the original beliefs, the estimate keeps going down but you know, it was tens of millions of people so in China Who knows it was maybe it was a hundred million people. It was a lot of people and then of course, there's the Nazis that you know, so the the act of in attempting to rationally construct a value system and then impose it doesn't seem to work out very well. So, you know on a sociological level we seem to have evidence that That's dangerous. And then on a personal level, it's like yeah, you're so sure you create your values. I would say to a large degree you discover them. and so, you know here here is Here's an experiment. You can try one. I told you last week. I think to try to watch yourself speak for I think you should do it for the rest of your life, you know, because words are very very very powerful and they lead you places. So you should be careful how you use them. But like here's another really interesting experiment is watch what you're interested in try. Don't try to control it so much just see where it is because like in the phenomenologist certainly made much of this is like for them like for Heidegger. It was something that manifested itself in the world and attracted your attention, you know, it wasn't something you precisely created. Now, I believe you have a hand in creating it will talk more about that later because you're not you're not a deterministic entity precisely. So it's like you can participate in the construction of the value system. But you know, you have to take your biological nature into mind and you have to take your cultural nature into mind and you have to take other people into To mind and so, you know you have you can vary the game, but I don't think you can really change the rules. That's a reasonable way of thinking about it. Now what you did in many ways was he said well, maybe we have to go back down into the deep symbolic substrata of the human psyche to find the origin place of the ideas that we use to hold as religious. It was a hypothesis in some sense. So they're the psychoanalytic hot hypothesis is something like It's the it's the psychic substrata the pre-linguistic psychic substrata. That is the source of ritual symbol and religious ideas. And so that you can go back to the source in a sense to revitalize those ideas. And that strikes me as a wiser approach than the rational approach, which says you can just create your values. It's like we tried that it didn't work. It really didn't work. It was murderous. So and then the alternative of the no value proposition has well, then you're going to be nihilistic and that's not I think nihilism is a form of mental illness. It's a sociological it it's caused by sociological conditions, but fundamentally, it's a mental illness. You revise what you mean by believe? That's part of it. And that's what we're going to try to walk through. Now. This is a very this is a linear argument in some sense. Although there's going to be a lot of tangents. I want to I want to show you how that might be done and what it might mean meaning who knows what It ultimately means right? There's just no going there but my experience with these ideas have been that once you understand them and it's a different way of categorizing. She and I would say all sorts of things that you didn't understand all of a sudden. It up for you and it's really helpful, you know, because for let me just give you a couple of examples, you know, I would say that it's a unspoken proposition of much of today's socio ideological thinking that there's something pathological about human beings, you know, like I've heard people say like human beings are like a cancer on the planet. It's like I went to a talk at Ted Talk at Queen's a tedx talk where one of the professors who was a radical environmentalist of sorts. You know, he told the whole audience they were all people about your age that if they had any ounce of ethical if they had any ethical standards whatsoever. They wouldn't reproduce. It's like huh? You know, really he said well, we've only had one child and for me, I thought that was one child too many for him. But you know, I thought that's bloody pathological when you stand up in front of a whole bunch of young people who have their whole future in front of him. And you say well, you know, you're such a horrid creature in your Cord that it would be a moral violation for you to propagate it's like, you know. So, I mean one of the things that has happened to me is like I kind of like people, you know, there are peculiar and weird like hippopotamuses and and rhinos and Penguins and all that. But you know, I certainly don't think that we're some sort of cancer on the planet. I really think that's a that's a pre Jenna Seidel idea as far as I'm concerned. It's like the planet would be better off without any people on it. It's like hey glad you're not near the old thermonuclear button. Yeah, really? Really? Yeah. It's like that's an archetypal idea fire will cleanse everything. It's like that's what Hitler believed that's why all Berlin was burning when he committed suicide. It's like that was what he was after from the beginning the cleansing fire. It's like beware of those ideas boy, you know, and so I see I can see the intrinsic Dignity of people and and their intrinsic value and how that can be expressed across time and you know, and I value that it's something pristine and Remarkable, you know and understanding I believe that understanding these ideas property can give you that kind of orientation. You know, I mean, everybody's flawed and useless and half crazy. I mean obviously but you know, that's not exactly the point. There are reasons. We are flawed and useless and half crazy, you know life is hard and we're finite and we hustle we have big problems that confront us. It's like I don't think any sane person cannot be crazy so to speak but having said all that the idea that there's something intrinsically pathological about human beings like that is an absolutely What's the word apocalyptic idea? It's like beware of people who tell you such things, you know, so and it's certainly not something you should be thinking about yourself God. It's like who knows what you're up to, you know, maybe some of you will be great people, you know, good luck with it. So so I want to walk you through what I think these ideas mean and I'm not asking you to believe anything. I tell you it's like don't hack away at it man. If you can see where it's flawed, I can't I've tried so because I don't want to be standing on Sand and so what I've tried to do is to look at human history and prehistory and to see what it is that we need to move forward and we have to be United with our history human beings are historical creatures. And so if there's a divide between us and our history, then all sorts of weird ideas are going to invade us, you know, it's like it's quite funny because again with the rationalists it's you know, they basically think that if we dispense with religion, everybody would turn into Rene Descartes, you know, it's like we'd be all rational. It's like are you out of your bloody mind? Look at the new age people? You know, that's where we'd be going first. It's like we'd be like Shirley what's-her-name McClain who I read once believed that the reason that there were so many allergies in San Francisco was because of aliens. It's like, oh that's a much more likely place for human belief systems to end up then. Poof were already made two cards. Like that's not going to happen. You know, one of the things you said, which I just loved he said the purpose of religious structures is to stop people from having religious experiences. That's a smart. That's a smart saying. So anyways, so we're going to walk through this and you know, what I what I've come to believe is that the archetypes were going to talk about because I believe they archetypes a pretty good way of thinking about them constitute the It'll presumptions of human being you can't not presume them. That's why the religious you can't escape from them. Now. That doesn't mean they're right, but it means that there is right as we are. And how right or we well, we don't know, you know, I mean there were people that I read somebody in the 1970s. He was a journalist who wrote a book called the ghost in the machine, you know, and this was a fairly common proposition at the time his idea was that well, you know, we're animals that have become self-conscious and that basically drove us incurable insane. And so we're like an evolutionary dead end and it's only a matter of time before we extinguish ourselves. It's like that's possible, you know, no other animal has ever become self-conscious. It's a big burden, you know when it does drive people. Kind of crazy and no wonder you know because you have to contemplate your mortality all the time or at least some of the time and also you're completely aware of how useless and ugly and you know, all these other things you are compared to whatever the ideal might be. It's a lot of Burden but it seems to me to that human beings are peculiar in that we can actually choose we have some facility for choice. I think we could decide whether we're an evolutionary dead end or not. And I also believe that grounding are thinking in these ancient ideas makes it far more. Actually far less likely that we're going to fall prey to ideological possession which is extraordinary dangerous and it'll also give us the meta framework to conceptualize what might constitute an ideal and well so the you know, that's a because I wanted I wanted to find out what's an alternative to etiology and nothing is the wrong answer because people can't live on nothing life is too hard you have to see that you're being is justifiable in order to thrive. And given that you're being is characterized by suffering that's no easy matter suffering and limitation. That's the basic truths of life. It's a Buddhist Doctrine for that matter, right and it's it's not it's certainly not something that the Jews would disagree with and it's Central to Christian thinking as well. You know, most religious structures think you're doomed and there's going to be a lot of pain along the way it's like, yeah, that's true. Okay now we've got that out in the open. What do you do about it? well That's the question. So, let's see. What do we have from time? It's 3:45. Is that about right? This old computer? I'm not sure it's accurate. Yeah. Okay. So question. Oh, yeah. Well, the thing is, you know, sometimes conceptualizing a problem brings it into Focus. There are multiple ways things realize themselves, right? You know, you know how it is. If you if you learn something complex, you think you've learned it and then a little later you articulate it more and you think oh, I didn't understand that completely and then you know, you think you've got it then three years later you think? Oh, no, I really didn't quite have that. I'm going to articulate it more so knowledge comes into focus. And so okay. So let's move away from from the this philosophical evolutionary. A moment. I want it. I want to start again with the series of proposition. So it's 300. Okay. Good. Good. Good 338. Alright fine. So now When I first started to construct this representation, I'd been reading heavily a book called The neuropsychology of anxiety. That's written by Jeffrey gray. Jeffrey gray was one of hands Isaac students and Isaac was one of the founders of modern psychometric personality theory for a long time. He was the most cited psychologist in the world. And Jeffrey gray was no Jeffrey gray who died recently was he was illiterate guy man the neuropsychology of anxieties that Freed because he was sort of a master of neuropharmacology. Neuroanatomy neuropsychology and animal behavior. So he's behaviorist and cybernetic Theory. Although I don't really think he knew exactly that. He was a cybernetic theorist. He sort of knew it it took me a long time to figure out that he was a cybernetic theorist cybernetics emerged as a consequence of the work of someone called Norbert wiener who was and who was at MIT and he wrote a book called. I think you wrote that I think the book was called cybernetics actually. Anyways, you could look them up and there are cybernetic principles that I extracted out of gray and started to utilize and then I only found out later that they were actually Consequences of whiners thinking now. He infected lots of people. So luria who was a great Russian or soccer neuropsychologist was basically a cybernet assistant. There's a couple of other Russians sokolov and vinegar dova who discovered the orienting reflex, which was like that was like discovering a new planet or a new continent. It's like an important Discovery. They should have got the Nobel Prize for it as far as I'm concerned. It's a big deal. So Norbert whiners cybernetic thought really spread everywhere and it's like pops up Piaget is cybernetic in many ways. And there's Is modern personality theories that are fundamentally cybernetic. So this is basically a cybernetic model and cybernetics cybernetic models hypothesize that active organisms. They basically perform according to the following. schema They pause it at Target. And move towards it and then they regulate themselves. So they don't deviate Too Much from the trail. So that's what this is as far as I'm concerned. So so here's here's the basic framework within which you live as far as I can tell and I don't think you can get out of it. You carry this frame with you all the time and you're looking at the world through it and the framework has a couple of substructures and one is you have some sense of where you are. And that's like a theory. It's a theory of where who you are and where you are. It's a theory of the present. These are the present conditions. Now, you might think you observe the present around you and those are factual observations. And so your conceptualization of the present isn't a theory. It's a fact but don't be thinking that you know, it's a theory you might be wrong about the present the person you're in love with might be having an affair. Right, so there can be massive gaps in your assumptions about the present. You know, you think you're healthy, but maybe you're not, you know, you think your boss likes you but maybe they don't you think your degree is going to be useful, but maybe it isn't, you know, well, it's just it's just it's just a straightforward observation, but it's an important one you could be wrong about now. Okay, because one of the things we're going to try to figure out is where is it that you could be wrong? And what does it mean that you Could be wrong all those places and what should you do about the fact that you could be wrong all those places and then we're also going to try to figure out what happens if you find out that you're wrong. So for example, you're going out with someone you love them. Perhaps they've made promises to you and you know, poof you find out that they've been having an affair with three people for the last five years. It's like hey you're wrong. And so now, where are you? What does that mean that you're wrong? Well, it means a lot of things it means you're means a lot of things that you it might mean a lot more things than it means which is a very strange thing might mean that you're so clueless is just mind-boggling, you know, and that you're blind as a bat. So that's one possibility and that you're like that and you've always been like that. You better do something about it quick. That's a possibility might be that you hooked up with a psychopath, right, which is also something that you should avoid and but that would mean you don't understand people well enough to know when they're Psychopaths or not, or maybe that Fatally attracted to them in some bizarre way, you know, it also means that whatever future you were envisioning that was really a delusion because that's gone. And it also means that you've blown out most of your past at least insofar as that relationship was part of your past because nothing that you thought was happening was what was happening. So then you might think one moment you're somewhere Then you get the realization and the next moment. You are somewhere else. And so one of the things I would propose to you is that those are actually two important places. The one place is the place you are when what you're doing is working. And other places the place you are when what you're doing is not working and I would also say in some weird sense. Those are permanent places and I'll tell you why I think this but I think they're Akin in some manner to explored territory and unexplored territory. And that's their sort of biological basis because we know that animals are territorial right almost every animal has a sketched out territory if social animals have to organize themselves within that tort territory with other creatures. Like them so part of their territory is almost always a dominance hierarchy, but they have a territory and they don't like going outside of it so I can give you an example. So my my parents had it dog and a cat and my dad used to take the dog for a walk all the time, but the cat really like the dog and so it was kind of irritated that the dog would leave and so the cat started following my dad around on his walks. And so it was really interesting because the first thing that cat did was when it was following it wasn't right behind the door. Ugh, there's no way it was going to do that. It would slink along all of the building. So it would follow about 30 feet behind and it would keep one side right against a building and that would sort of zip across the intervening spaces of the houses, right? And you might think we'll why was it doing that and the answer is It didn't know where the bloody Predators were. Didn't know where the big dogs were at didn't know anything about the new places it was going so it was going to stick it side against one hard wall so that the complexity was cut in half and it was going to go really slow on the off chance that some massive Hound came out and ate it so it's been very careful. So that was pretty cool. So it did that for quite a while and then because nothing massive jumped out at eight it and because it started to understand that territory and knew where it could hide it got Little braver and over a couple of months it got to the point where to actually follow the dog because it had mastered its it expanded its territory and mastered its knowledge of the territory, but then I was walking with them one day and they had a root tea and my dad had the dog and he wanted to take the dog a little farther than he would normally go with the dog and so he was taking the dog across the street, but the cat just stayed on the corner and cried because it you know, it was meowing obviously, but it was very upset because it wasn't going out into that. Weird new place that it had no knowledge about and so it was you know, making it fear really known and animals are like that, you know, so here's something to think about this blew me away when I first conceptualized it was one of the things that made me understand that psychologists are always asking questions backwards. I'll give you an example. It's like why do people take cocaine? That's a question right? Think. It's a good question. It's a stupid question. The question is, why doesn't everybody He take cocaine all the time. That's the question because we know what cocaine does right it activates the primary incentive reward systems and almost everything you do is in an attempt to activate the primary incentive reward system. So you've got this white powder in there it is. It's like you should be nose deep in that stuff non-stop, but you're not why what's wrong with you people, you know, so so that's one example of where Psychology's got it. Got it backwards. We know why people take intoxicating drugs. It's dead simple. Sometimes it reduces their anxiety. Sometimes it reduces their pain. Sometimes it cranks up there incentive reward systems, you know and hijacks the system it does it biochemically perfectly obvious. So that's one example now another example is this how do animals learn fear? It's a prime behavioral question. Right? It's the wrong question. because it presumes that the the standard animal is calm. Why would you presume that why wouldn't we presume instead that the standard animal is terrified and that the animal only learns how not to be terrified with difficulty and under very restricted circumstances. Well, that's a much better way of thinking about it and it makes a lot more sense because the Animals in Danger, especially if it doesn't know its territory so so here's how you teach an animal to be afraid if you're a behaviorist and I'm not making fun of behaviorists a lot of what I've learned about psychology. Is actually real has come from behaviorists like their rigorous scientists and and they learned an awful lot from analyzing animal behavior that was incredibly profound and they laid the ground for modern Neuroscience the real stuff not the fmri stuff, you know the real stuff. So, okay. So basically what you do to train an animal to be afraid is you take a rat let's say and the rats in his cage and you put you put a little electric shock pad in the rats cage. So it may be electrifies the Autumn little bit and you turn on a light and you Electrify the bottom and the rat jumps into the air and then you shut it off and then you wait a while and then you do the same thing turn on the light. Then you turn on the the electric shock mechanism in the rat jumps in the air and you do that 10 times and then when you turn on the light the rat goes like this freezes because it's learned Right light equals shock. Everyone knows that you know, that's basic conditioning. So the rats learn to be afraid. Okay, that makes sense except. Here's your experimental box. Right? You got the electrification going on in there. And you grab your rat and you drop me in the cage. What does he do first? He freezes. Because he's afraid he's afraid as soon as you put them in the new environment. That's the normal wrapped. The normal rat is like this and why is that because things like to eat rats so, you know, they don't like light they like it dark and they don't like being exposed and they don't like being a new damn cage because God only knows what's in that cage. And so the a priori rat is this so then what is the rap do well, it's like this for quite a while it can be Really a long time. I'll tell you a story about that. He's like this. And then maybe he sniffs because rats mostly knows most animals are mostly smell oriented. Right human beings are weird because we're visually oriented but almost all animals. It's all smell their whole brains are organized around their olfactory system. So it sniffs and if it can't smell anything rats man, they can smell so there's experiments indicating that if you take a rat and you poison it and then it gets sick and another rat has smelled its breath that rat will not eat the poison that the first Eight now, that's why it's hard to get rid of rats. They're smart and they have great senses of smell. So the rats checking out like is there anything here that smells like something that might eat me so cats for example rat doesn't ever have to meet a cat to be afraid of its odor rats hate cat odor and so you can take rats in there like a box and blow a fan over a cat so that the odor wafts into the box and let's like the rats are all like this because God only knows what a cat smells like to Iraq, but it ain't good. Whatever it is. So the rats like this then he sniffing. He's looking around and if nothing happens, then he starts to relax a little bit but not that much he stole Crouch down and he still like that tentative rat and then he starts to look around a bit and then he starts to loosen up and then maybe he starts to move and his theory is possibly it's safe enough here. So erect that's careful can move and nothing painful or damaging will happen and then he starts to move and nothing happens and then he Ben's a bunch of time sniffing around every corner of the cage and you know sooner or later he thinks rats aren't going to die here now and then he sort of a relaxed rat and then the behavior says you are now a normal rat we can teach you to be afraid. It's like you don't have teach me to be afraid. I know how to be afraid. I have to learn how not to be afraid now. That's a good way of thinking about your brain. So you could think about the underlying motivational and emotional systems in your brain as default on systems. They're like a nuclear reactor like the core of a nuclear reactor. You're ready man, except when other parts of your brain are telling you just to keep it calm. So, but you don't need to learn to be afraid anymore. You need to learn to be hungry. You need to learn how to be calm and secure and that's really worth thinking about because you got to ask yourself. For example. Why are you calling securing this class? What are the preconditions for you not being afraid here. So think about it. Why are you not afraid? Well, the floor is solid. That's a good one. The roof is probably not going to collapse why well, it's actually because you could rely on the structural engineers who built the building that's kind of interesting why you know in the Soviet Union they used to make cinderblock buildings out of old radioactive waste and then of course they put way too much sand in them so that if the Earth went like this once be like collapse and so the typical Soviet couldn't be Reasonably Fearless in this room because the walls were radioactive and if the Earth moved a little bit at whole thing would collapse and so part of the reason that you can sit in here without fear is because the system that regulates our construction Enterprises actually not very corrupt. So that's pretty cool. So, you know, so you think about that that means that one of the preconditions for your relative fearlessness is your implicit belief that the builders who built this building can be trusted and that's really unlikely, you know, if you look around the world How many countries are there that aren't corrupt? I mean, you know, the West is corrupt to there's no doubt about it, but compared to a really corrupt place, you know, we don't even register as corrupt. So what else well, look at the people around you, you know, you guys look a lot the same all things considered, you know, none of you are have painted your face and rainbow colors and you know, you're not decorated with ostrich feathers and you're not wearing some outlandish Victorian costume and none of you are Stark naked and most of you Foaming at the mouth and you know, like fundamentally you're in a uniform and there's some variation of the uniform allowed but not much how many of you are wearing jeans. Rights, like 50% of you. Why are you wearing jeans? It's so other primates. Don't think you're insane. That's why I'm telling you. It's a big part of its acceptable. And so most of you are wearing clean jeans, I presume or they're clean enough. Anyways, so that if they're not clean it's not detectable, which is another sign that you're not completely insane. Right? And so you're manifesting markers like mad that you're basically a normal primate and that you Live in accordance with a set of well-understood implicit rules and that for the purposes of this set of interactions. You're not going to violate them. So everybody can come in here like the terrified primates. They are the first class and they can look around. They see the desks are all in order. So that means order prevails here the desks all face this way. So it's a standard lecture theater, you know, what's going to happen here people walk in they all sit properly in their tables. Most of them don't talk. Another rule how many of you are sitting in the same chair that you said in last week? Right and you know pretty soon you're going to figure out which chair is yours. And then if someone comes in here and sits in your chair, you're going to think that persons in my chair and you know, the reason for that is you're trying to stabilize the environment you've learned that that chair is safe and so are the people around you and so now you feel kind of comfortable in that chair you sort of think it's your chair. And so we do everything we can to structure the environment so that signals that you're safe are radiating at you like mad and that You can be calm enough despite the fact that you're a crazy chimpanzee. You can be calm enough to sit here and not be distracted by fundamental motivational systems that are out of control and maybe listen and attend and like you just think about how much work just think about it how much work went into building this room for you to sit in, you know, it's like they're being universities for about a thousand years. So there's a Thousand-Year conceptual history of the Diversity that's one of the preconditions and then we had to figure out how to make all this stuff and then people actually had to put it together and then you all had to be socialized for like 19 years so that you could sit here relatively quietly while you're listening to a lecture and you know, we had to build the idea of the University into our culture and you know, somebody's got to keep the lights on and look at this technology that works. It's like there are people out there just slaving themselves to death to make sure that this little box that you're sitting in is sufficiently Detectable so that you don't have to be terrified. It's like Good for them, you know and it's all happening. So invisibly that you know, you're probably irritated because your internet connection doesn't work that well or something like that, you know, so so it's really really useful to know that it's a the idea that your normal state is calm and well regulated is highly debatable. It's highly debatable. I would say there's very limited pre conditions under which you are going to feel safe and then I would also say You're highly motivated to maintain those conditions and you're also highly motivated not to go somewhere where those conditions don't apply right? You just not going to do it because that's a different kind of place and I would say that place is chaos the place where the rules do not apply that's chaos and it's a real place that's unexplored territory and people you have your hardwired at an instinctual level to deal. Deal with unexpected exposure to unexplored territory and you do that by going like this. It's a startled and fear your Frozen. And the reason for that is your prey animal and you have sub circuits in you that are millions of years old that are there to protect you from becoming prey and that could be prey of other people. That's for sure, but it could be prey of anything that would like to eat you, you know and part of the reason You might understand is that it's not there aren't that many large Predators around anymore. You know, it's part of the human despoliation of the planet is that mostly people don't like having their children eaten by tigers, you know, so and it's not because there's something wrong with us. It's because that's actually a rather unpleasant experience. And so if you could have a tiger around or not have one you might well choose not to have one especially if you have some, you know certain amount of love for your children who although lovable also happened to be delicious. He's right. So well, okay, so it's a proposition. I want to undermine because I want to start with the presupposition that fundamentally has a biological creature. You're like a wild animal and you're like a prey animal things might happen to you and you're ready for them. And then what we do with societies we construct up an edifice that has multi-level some of its actually instantiated. Right? And the rest of it is cultural and ritual and behavioral so that you don't have to be Prey animal you can be relatively calm and assured that nothing terrible is going to happen to you in the next 10 seconds and that's worth fighting for so. All right, that's probably good enough. So now we've got we've got some basic presuppositions laid down, you know, and so let me just review them briefly one minute. Stability is not your normal state. It's an abnormal State and it's very very difficult to maintain. Okay? You maintain it at least in large part as a consequence of being enculturated? And to be enculturated means to adopt a value system that works for you, but that also works for everyone else. It has to fulfill those criteria furthermore. It should be the kind of value system that allows you to move up dominance hierarchies. If you can manage it a lot of constraints on your value system, if your value system is producing the kind of behaviors that fulfill those criteria, you don't have to be terrified now, it's not just Terror because I've also learned that a lot of what culture is controlling is discussed. That's actually not in the book because I just learned that so what I want to talk more about I want to talk to you more about discussed because we've learned for example that people who are orderly temperamentally which is an element of conscientiousness are very sensitive to discussed. And I think part of the issue is that it isn't only that things can eat us. It's the things can infect us and so we're just as Prone a priority to repel anything that's disgusting as we are prepared a priori to keep at Bay anything that's frightening. One of the things I learned which was terrifying to me. I read Hitler's table talk which was a collection of his spontaneous dinner speeches that were taken down by a secretary. It's very interesting book, but one of the things I realized once we kind of made the discussed orderliness Connection in my lab about two years ago. Looking for the biological basis of conscientiousness forever. Hitler basically used a bodily metaphor to under pin his entire political philosophy. So for Hitler who was hyper orderly bordering on Obsession or bathed four times a day, for example, he was a vegetarian which actually is relevant because he didn't want animals to be hurt, you know, it was sensitive to discussed and that was part of what under light is vegetarianism. He construed the Aryan race as a body like that. Metaphor it's a body. It's a pure body has pure blood. So there's Purity ideas that you know made part of what he was saying motivationally significant and it was under assault from parasites and the parasites were well for him. It was anyone who wasn't part of that body. So it was discussed gone mad. It was really was you know, and so that forced me to modify my theories the theories I'm going to present to you because for me a lot of what Society did was control anxiety, you know and hunger and a lot of other things obviously, but I didn't realize to what degree Society also controlled discussed and how powerful discussed is as a political motivator. So there is a paper published in plos one about three months ago five months ago, maybe more than that. Now it showed that the correlation between totalitarian beliefs in any given geographical Locale and the prevalence of infectious disease. Was about point seven and that was true not only across countries, but within countries if you divided the places up by How likely there were to be infectious diseases in the relevant States .7. So prejudiced xenophobia fear of foreigners. All of that huge chunk of that is disgust sensitivity gone mad. So anyway, so we're going to talk about that too as a part of a control mechanism. Yep. What's that Applause one PLO S100 any it's a public Journal. You can find it look up infectious disease and totalitarianism. There's a lot of work done on that now. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.

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Hello everyone. My name is Siddharth to pass. This is a cross the line with Chris great rich and myself and these are exciting times for me and Chris. Finally. We're here finally doing the podcast thing with threatening to do it for a long time haven't where you and I so finally to get it up and running. It's going to be a really exciting fun ride for us. I think yeah. Absolutely. I'm excited. I thought IMember talking on the bus and Dubai of you know, finally pulling this one off. I mean we listened to a lot of podcasts not me you and I I think there's a lot of really good content out there for football fans. If you're found in the Premier League fan of La Liga or just interested in finding out a little bit more about your favorite players, but you know from conversations that you and I had, you know back in January of this year. We were sort of saying well, there's nothing up there really For the Filipino fans to really get to know some of these football starts. Yeah, you see them on TV or you see them online and you see them in the league and as football as you know, what they're about, you know, what skills they have what their technique is like, etc, etc. But in terms of getting to know them as an individual and getting to know their their backs back story that they're sort of personal interests like this like what they really like as an individual. That was something that I felt was was missing and I think we owe it to the football Community here in the Philippines to give them the opportunity to learn a little bit more about the stars that they watch week in week out now, that's true. And you know, I've been covering the team for the past probably good 14 years already covering Philippine football. You made your debut till 2004. I know that so you've been around for quite some time, but You know, I haven't really gotten the opportunity to really although we have time A lot of time together. It's all about you know this tournament coming right up. Yeah this match coming right up. What are your thoughts in this match? But there's really a lack of you know background on the players that were suiting up for the national team and and just interesting Personalities in Philippine football. Yeah. I think it's also important that these these individuals that we can to come on the show and we're getting some big hits is on the About me so I think the the general football public are really going to enjoy listening to their stories. But to hear what they have to say first hand getting to know them intimately in this kind of setting I think is really really is really insightful for the Filipino football fans often when you hear a story of a player that's going to be suiting up for the as cows. You hear the the murmurs that you get off the off the Twitter or back in the old days on the message boards, etc, etc. But For you to be able to hear them speak about their personal Journeys firsthand. I think that's quite a rare Insight. So I'm really hoping that the the football Community here in the Philippines get excited about it because obviously we're excited about it. And yeah just just being able to get to know the players that they watch I think is really really good for the public now with that will take take this opportunity to for you to invite everyone to subscribe on YouTube and download the episode on a podcast Google podcast and On Spotify so we need those subscriptions to keep this podcast going because this is not easy. Yeah, we've got some great guests coming on the show just as a little teaser. We've got Stephen Schrock coming on the show. Yeah and James Young husband come on the show to Absolute, you know superstars of the domestic game. They're going to be sharing with some some pretty pretty hard-hitting stuff and I think a lot of the Filipino football fans are going to Really enjoy what those do have to say. So not only that it for them for our guests. Also therapeutic. You think we have yeah, I think so. No wait with the setting that we have the the lights, you know, the this is it down. Yeah. Dr. Chris. There's been a lot of Philippine football is gone through actually, we're not limiting this podcast is just fun being fitted. Not personalities, but you know over the course of the last probably decade so many things have been happening and some soaking points. Yeah, and you just can't, you know go into it. You have to take a step back and really appreciate what does happened over the past decade. Yeah, and I think also with this with this point cause it's an opportunity for a lot of people to relive some of those seminal moments in Philippine. Ball history and to get different accounts because we all see things differently. Like for example, you might see things from from the journalists. What have you I actually have my on the field accounts for a lot of things and then more recently from from the coaching perspective. So more kind of behind the scenes. So I think it's a great opportunity for people to get different counts different perspectives on on things that are probably seminal moments in the a lot of a lot of the football Community just see the highlights of Yeah, yeah, you know you're into match. Of course you get a few interviews here and there but in a reliving from people who were actually involved in those big moments and were actually there. Yeah, I think a lot of people don't know that they will probably relive their own accounts of it. You know, I remember talking to people about like the 2010 games and a lot of people are I remember being in that bar when I watch the game or I remember being in the house. Yeah, you know, I try not to wake up the kids because the game would have been on it. Yeah, silly. O'clock in the morning. So I think a lot of people would be really really intrigued to kind of relive those moments and and bounce off each other. It's I think there will be you know, some feelings that you know, we're not expressed before, you know expressed here in the podcast. Yeah, I think one of the good things that you and I will be able to bring to the fore with with our interview guest is there should be a level of comfort from the people who were interviewing with obviously, we're not trying to catch them out. We not trying to put them in the hot seat, but I think the ability for some of these people to come out and open up to us and therefore open up to the fans. I think that's really really important. Yeah, we're will sort of guide that discussion for them and whatever they want to say. This is unfiltered. Yeah, and I think that's one of the things we want to get across to the fans isn't it enough that? This is unfiltered unscripted interviews bare-bones fully naked in front of everyone. To enjoy because I think the Philippines football fans have had a bit of a tough tough ride of it in recent recent years. You know, I think a lot of Filipino fans are baying for this this type of thing, you know, they want to get to know their Stars better. They want more information. They want more content and you know, obviously that's something that we've jumped on it and said, right. Well, let's look to provide that for the fans at which I think is really important because there is a community out there in the Philippine football world. That that want to be informed and want to remain in contact that want to they want to be fed this stuff. So I think that's one of the things that we are aiming to provide from the from the show. There's a huge community in on Facebook the pfl fans United. They're always, you know, every time a game is happening. What's the update was there? Yeah. There's a thread yeah coming out and then, you know, especially now a lot of interest in the thigh Premier League with a lot of our national team players there. There's it's just a weekly. There's some graphics coming out from Malaysia because you know a couple of our players are there. So a lot of there's no question about it. The interest is there. Yeah, the community is there. They're just hungry for for material and information. Yeah. I think the other thing that we really came to express to the to the listeners is if they want a topic covered, you know, if you want to hear more about Grassroots football if you want to hear more about The national team if you want to hear more about some of the players abroad if you want to hear more stories about other issues pertaining to the domestic game, then then let us know because we're more than happy to listen to suggestions get guests on the show and will cater for the audience and I think that's really really important. Yeah. Well, we'll take this, you know a chance especially if you subscribe on YouTube or on on Facebook on our Facebook page you like our Facebook page and share Our videos and you can drop a comment there and probably we will take time to discuss. You know, what do you want? Yeah, absolutely. So it's going to be an exciting ride for the two of us. 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John Kim, can we get some Jingle Bells under this? Hey everybody before this weeks before surprise. This is a bonus that oh my God. It's a bonus episode. What are we doing here on Tuesday night. This was actually going to go out around Christmas time. But since the entire internet is talking about their top 10 including us we go do we we've already published our top 10 in 2019 individually online at an ofs podcast.com. If you want to see images that go with the movie or different words that we I about them. But yeah, we intended to put this out a little later. So something to listen to over the holidays, but we're putting out now because it says yeah, you know, you might your vacation might be starting and I don't know bonus episode. Why wait why hold back on telling people about good movies? Yeah. So this little pre intro this isn't the intro yet. So get tuned for that. We planned it to be over Christmas like actual Chris which becomes very apparent in about a minute and a half from now so pretend you're on your vacation if you Not pretend you are being festive and you're in your Jam jams and in my joy, yeah, very knobbed and enjoy this bonus episode. fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood Ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to this bonus episode of nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and we're talking about horror films of 2019 best of the year. It completely subjective list cuz I'm gonna sit here and tell you the movies that made the most money or got the highest rating on Rotten Tomatoes. And also it's like Christmas time. You guys are all full and in your pajama pants, you're too lazy to go on the internet and yell at us for our selections because all this is the right. You're happy. You're probably still drinking mulled wine. Yeah, we we're just gonna throw our picks out into the ether and you guys are gonna be like, well, I don't agree but I'm not getting up. That's exactly it. This is the right time to do and everybody's full on bread and beer as are we the thing about the end of the year is the last two are the first two weeks of December. We were just like going through our list and trying to make sure we watched all the movies that we had didn't have an opportunity to see throughout the Year, and so we've been binging and binging and binging and now that we're kind of at the end of it. We've compiled our lists. I'm a little scared that I have some I just watched this bias. Oh, yeah, but I'm pretty confident in my list this year. I am going to take this opportunity as I do every year. I hate this I'm having the worst day. I don't like it at all. I hate I see. Like a baby after I compile my list and John's just like racking his teeth and he was like, I don't know what what am I doing? What am I trying to say with mile is like you're not trying to say anything. You're just ranking the things that you love. It's like the one time of year that I just become incredibly neurotic. I can't I can't do it. I hate it. It's the worst. You know, I would I can't even explain myself. It sucks because there's okay you watch like, I don't know a few hundred movies and a year and then you Got to pick 10 like I there's two met. Ah, I will say I did have a bit of a struggle this year like a little mini existential crisis because one of the movies that I put on my list initially it's now a lot no longer on the list was not horror at all. I've got some not horror at all, but like really not horror and I was like we might be on my list. I like this movie. I enjoyed this movie but are people going to be mad at me for putting this on my list and then I realized later when we were actually like five minutes before recording I'd forgotten a movie entirely and so I was like and then if they just got swapped out, so it's in my honorable mentions, but it was like in the middle of my top 10 for two days and I was only making that list for two days. So it was it just got cut off the list and solely because I think people would be mad that I put it on there because it's not her. That's interesting. Yeah. I did. Well, we'll find out whether or not it's on my list. I you know next year. I love that period between you American Thanksgiving and Christmas where we just sort of catch up on all the movies we miss it's just like movie night. My love it. I guess just like three movies a day. It's like oh what have we seen? What are we going to see next? What might be my favorite movie. I super enjoy it. I think it's great. But it's like a greedy collector thing like a completist thing where like I just I just want to see all of the movies that came out this year and I can close the book on 2019 and continue on with 2020, but then I run into situations where I see a movie and I really like it, but then you're like wait, Wait a minute. How am I gonna skew this with movies? I saw it in February of this year like yeah. Do I like it as much as this movie? Yeah, if I have our when there's a bunch of fresh movie. It's tough. I have a movie. It's in my honorable mentions that I am sure would have been somewhere on my list maybe in the middle if I had seen it earlier in the year and had a better idea of where it places. So unfortunately, I just kind of walked away from it. Like I really like it. I'll sing its Praises when we get two honorable mentions, but I took it off the list because I just wasn't sure where to put it. And what ended up going on. My number 10 is a movie that I think got kicked off your list. I'm gonna find out in a second before we get into the list though. Before we before we drop number 10. I just have to do our little disclaimer that I do every year in that our list is a little bit different than some of the other list you'll find and of the Year lists in that we with our top tens. We are not indiscriminate about whether the movie has actually been released or not as long as it had a film festival release if we At a Film Festival this year. So our list are usually I'm not sure what your list looks like yet a blend of movies that have not been released yet and might technically be a 2020 release and films that have been released. So in the sense, like maybe it's kind of cheating but not really because I think what's fun about our list is they their movies that you can see right now recommendations and then things to like keep your ear to the ground for when they do get release anything that is released already will let you know when we're we're talking about Them but yeah there I'm sure there'll be a few like there are every year that are not out yet, but definitely worth seeking out when they come out. Oh, yeah, exactly. I mean there are a bunch on here that you've probably seen that you may have also liked but this is supposed to be a recommendation list and what you know, I can't see a better way to do that than saying here are some movies look forward to that did technically screen in 2019. Yeah, and the only reason that they're not out yet is just because they're either still looking for distribution or they found distribution and they're being held off. For like VOD or Netflix or whatever until 2020? Yeah, I will say the few on my list that have not been released yet into wide theater or VOD. I'm almost positive. All of them are coming first quarter 2020. So you shouldn't have too long to wait unlike last year where I put it like lose was like my number 2 movie. I think fuck. I love one kind of the Dead. Both of those came in like the late summer early fall. So I'm very sorry if you had to wait that long, but I could not. Contain my love for those movies much like the same love I have for the movies on my list this year Kim. Do you want to go first you want me to go further? You can go first. I'ma go first. No problem. Here we go number 10, which was a number 11 to number 65 a hundred and eighty-five all great all could have been on this list. But either way number 10, probably my most controversial pick greener grass. I put it on my fucking top 10. I don't care it is a weird. Weird movie it is a Gonzo comedy. You can find it from your friends at I have seen midnight. It is absolutely the funniest movie. I've seen this entire year and it is so strange. So so very strange if it if the title card said greener grass directed by John Waters, it would be on everybody's top 10 of the year. I guarantee it. But if you have not heard of this movie it is so it is strange but it is absolutely hilarious and I hope you like it awesome cool. So you're starting off with like kind of a comedy. See, I got it. Yeah, my number 10 and I just saw this one last week because I missed it on the festival circuit is climax from Gasper knowing okay. All right. Yeah, I really like Gasper Noe films. I think there's such a head trip. He's got a way of making his films really immersive and you find yourself just getting lost in them. And this one especially like he really Nails this strange drug like trip and it's it's scary and it's beautiful and It's haunting and it's traumatizing and The transitions between those are so smooth. He's the only person that could do that. Yeah, and it was gorgeous. I'm glad you like coloring and everything was great. I'm so sad I missed this in the theater. It was a it was an experience and jumps on it fantastic Fest and it came with fries angry assaut like, oh, yeah. I'm sad I missed it. I don't know where I was probably in another theater, but it was a midnight screening. It was I was tired by the time I walked into it. It was tough the second viewing it was solid. I'm glad you got to catch it. But yeah, so that one is actually out now on VOD. Yeah, I think it's on like HBO or those crave movies or whatever the premium movie channel is. I remember who released in the States but in the UK, it's released by Arrow video cool. Good to know number nine. Another number 5. We're going to switch orders. I think we did this last year. Okay, so that like so like I do two movies and then you get to yeah. Okay, that's weird. Well, yeah because like I'm always trailing you and there'll be no surprises her something. I don't know. Okay, number nine another maybe not technically horror. But it's so so goddamn good guys. You gotta check out blood on her name. This is a suspense thriller, like Southern Gothic neo-noir before we had horror as a steady genre suspense and Thriller was where it was at like Hitchcock clue. So all of those guys like this the oh this movie hurts to watch every every second of this movie like when they say Kill Your Darlings in writing classes. This is the end of movie they're talking about every possible decision that this character could make that would hurt you happens and it is it is so worth it. It's just a small story about a woman trying to cover up a murder and all of the dirty business that goes with that cool. I didn't realize you love that one that much. Oh my God. Are you kidding me? I gave it like a 94% in my review. Wow. Yeah, we cut it fantastic Fest this year and it's coming soon. This one my number nine pick we caught at Tiff Midnight Madness. Oh shit. Yeah, it's kind of an indie pick. It's not out yet. It had its World premiere at Tiff and I don't think it's played anywhere else yet. This could be one of two movies. It is from a first-time filmmaker. It is the vigil. Alright director Keith Thomas. It is a Jewish based mythology. Horror film about demons. Maybe we follow a man who is hired last minute to sit overnight and watch a body. It's a Jewish. Tradition and demand they had originally doing it basically ran off into the night for some reason and all of this movie kind of takes place in one location. It's very spooky. Super Erie and totally my kind of movie. It's wonderfully creepy what it can do with just a fucking sheet. Sometimes this is yeah, like if you enjoyed autopsy of Jane Doe keep your ear to the ground for the vigil. Oh, yeah. It's a Hasidic. The Jade now, it's very very good. Totally. Good. My number eight pick another Festival film for us. But by the time you're listening to this, it has already been released to theaters and VOD. I'm talking about Adam Egypt mortimer's Daniel isn't real the imaginary friend story that stars miles Robbins and Patrick Schwarzenegger. It's so fucking good guys. It's so crazy. It's like a psychological horror that goes to just some of the strangest places and I don't worry. Only want to say too much about it, but it is a surprisingly Dark film that is like visually so rich like it is so good to look at it from your friends and spectravision. And this this would pair really well with every other film. Anything else is that man? I am loving the color palette of their movies of the last two years. I can purple My number eight is no huge surprise. I think this is probably going to be on quite a few lists. It's a little lower on mine just because of maybe how my expectations of it versus what it delivered. It's a bit of a familiar story but it's a gorgeous color palette anybody else out there want to take a wild guess what this is and it's folk or so that is totally up my alley. It is Airy Astor's Midsummer. No surprise. Number 8. Yeah, which which cut you talk at the obstacle. We talking director's cut. Oh and is the other one on this list. Also, I'm gonna go see a trickle because I don't remember the difference between the director's cut in the theatrical just that I appreciated being able to see it in the theater second time. Yes movie rocks movies really good. Yeah. It's bleached out. Lots of sun. Like give me that more the dance around the maypole sequence is just amazing. So wonderful that second time. We saw the theater I could not get overhead good that way. Was and the whole relationship between Danny and whoever her trash boyfriend, what is so stressful and like you're so upset for her, but the actress that plays Danny she is phenomenal phenomenal Snowman in this bring that back. That's a in Webster's Dictionary 2019 will set my number seven pick like speaking of pairing nicely. My number seven pick another Respect your vision film this one from returning filmmaker Richard Stanley. We're talking about the HP Lovecraft film color out of space. Wow. I really like this movie not on your list higher on your list. Is it coming? I don't know. Let me look at my eyes right now. I don't know. Okay looking around the room. Yeah. This is a really good movie about a alien object that crash-lands in the peaceful home of the gardeners and Michael is cage. Yeah. Oh boy. So I mean like it's got some incredible creature design. It's just gorgeous to look at. Yeah, you got your Rage Cage everybody wants Rage Cage but more importantly come for the scene-stealing Tommy Chong not something I would ever expect to say in a horror movie and like I'm not saying scene-stealing because he's funny. I mean, he probably has the creepiest moments of this whole movie. I can't wait to see this movie again the theater it was my blower. Also actually the kid if you've seen the trailer for this movie also in greener grass. Yeah. There's a few connections. Animalist, not really. My number seven pick is also a theatrical movie John's going all-in D. I guess I'm going all big release was a huge surprise for me something that wasn't on my radar at all. But when we finally did see it, I was very impressed. Huh Ready or Not. Oh shit. Yeah. All right, you got coolest it was super fun. And it was just like exactly what I wanted to see in a movie theater and I came out like feeling totally rewarded and totally impressed and it was just a great ride. The movie was a lot of Fun. It was just so much fun. It was your Halloween costume this year. It was my Halloween costume. Wonderful. And Samara weaving is just killing it. She is, you know in my early draft. She was two of the movies on my list. Oh, I know that other movie is that is a good movie. Probably like about it. It's gonna be in my honorable mention. Yeah. See that's the problem like honorable mentions is a bit of a scapegoat because it's just like, oh I get to talk about those other like 10 movies, but like you got to kind of limit it to three, right? So We'll see what happens when we get there and coming in at number six a movie that I've been chasing that if you know if things went right would have been on my list last year. I think a movie we've been chasing for so so so long it's just one of those like and every opportunity to see it something goes wrong and I'm talking about Peter Strickland's in fabric is movies fucking strange guys Hannah dress movie does not quite sell it the way that it should but you also don't really To know much going in it is very strange. It takes some really weird turns and it is who it's it's got some weird stuff. But I mean if you're open to it, you're gonna enjoy it. It's hard to watch in a theater full of people specifically for one scene where we're changing some clothes on a mannequin that really shouldn't be a sexual is this but oh man, is it? Was it a rewarding watch? I'm so glad we finally got to see it. And I'm sure we'll be talking about it again shortly, maybe. Oh, yes. I made a prediction. My number six pick another Film Festival find the platform. Yes. This was a really great surprise. We saw this at Fantastic Fest. It's a very another really isolated film. We follow to two characters at a time and it's this dystopian sort of movie where you don't really get a lot of information about the world, but it's Like a prison Tower and there's a platform in the Middle with food that drops down once a day and the lower you are in the tower. The less food is left for you and eventually if you're at the bottom, there is no food at all. So it's kind of a dog-eat-dog universe. But if you're at if you're at the top you basically get to gorge on this Feast, but it's just that the platform keeps dropping lower and lower and there's less and less and it's a really wonderful film. Yeah. Now do you want to go When do you number five is where we switch? I think oh, yeah, I guess I will do my number five. That's here. My number five pick extra tight as a drum roll. That's bad. My number five pick is extraordinary. I love your Les. It's a it looks so good. Hey comedy film of that ghosties. I can't believe this myth number five. Oh this movie is so good. Do you think it's too long or no now this movie rocks this movie is sorry if you talk about your mood. It's just so much fun. It's just a hilarious movie got Will Forte being as Will Forte as Will Forte has ever been and it's just complete hilarity. We follow a psychic and she gets wrapped up in this kidnapping daughter plot for the for this Sinister means and it's verse a time. Yeah. There's also just like this really cute budding romance at the center of this movie. That is it puts a smile on your face or the whole thing. But uh, like all of the ghosts are kind of just like bumbling. NG silly Irish people like the idea that you would die and then become all-knowing or things would make sense to you in the afterlife is gone in this movie like ghosts are as silly and as ill prepared for death as we are for life and it is a lot of fun. My number five pick Keepin. My ending theme going is Joe. Bigos is punk rock film VFW, if you like Siege movies and you just like see an old guys kick a lot of fucking Ask this is a movie for you. It's just a bunch of old vets. Just hunkering down in a VFW building to protect themselves from the punk rock fucking bikers outside that want to rip their heads apart and is real real good. This is totally the first movie. I would have predicted for your list. Yeah ones were complete surprise all of them. Yeah. Okay. Yeah because there's no doubt that this movie like I have I put my fist in the air when I saw this movie for the first time they haven't come down since like, oh man, I'm still still riding high in the Maybe it's one of the only movies this year one of a few that I've seen twice and each time. Just fucking kill her my number for movie already mentioned on John's list. I think he's going to be surprised how high I have it on mine movies this greener grass. Yes, that's good. Just an absurd movie and a wonderful color palette hilarious strange odd, totally up my alley and I met fell through certified. There you go. We've got in is that our first crossover? That is our first crossover so far. I think wow we have three movies left across over for you. I got four. I'm sorry. But yeah, we got a few we got a few good dress too. Good. I didn't really say anything of what it was about when I talked about it, but how do you describe this movie? It's about like Suburbia. Yeah. It's just an odd like looking into a Barbie doll house, but like you're in a dream and things are weird, but nobody's commenting on it. Yeah, like we're giving our kids away and then our other kid turned into a dog. Ugh and everybody has braces everybody's got braces. Oh boy. My number four pick our second cross over from this list the platform man this movie. It's too good. There's been there's been a lot of movies this year but classism this one fucking Nails it this movie is it's a head-scratcher. It's a great movie for discussing. That was one of my favorite memories of this movie is just talking to people at film festivals about it it is so so Beard and and off-kilter but such a pointed mirror held to to our own Society. I think and definitely something to think about while having dinner next time. My number three pick and probably across over film. I'm gonna sing maybe it's going to be John's number one the vast of night. Yeah. That's a good movie. It's a really really good movie guys, maybe a little bit more sighs. What the fuck? Your number two in one minute, maybe a little bit more sci-fi than horror. But oh boy, I'm I don't want to talk too much about it because I know John's going to want to talk about no, no, go ahead talk about you might be a marble mentions who knows it's not it's not your honorable mention totally wonderful like an old radio program. It really utilizes sound wonderfully and there are full-on like blackout moments in the theater that you wouldn't think work as well as they do but they Probably the best moments of the entire film. I don't think I've ever been so engrossed in a visual story like like falling asleep with the radio like it's just wonderful. Yeah. It's a real good movie. Hopefully we get a chance to talk about it again. My number three pick breaking of the top three guys that these are the easiest ones to put on the list everything else real hard number three the directorial debut of a longtime producer who is also known for weird strange movies that you would see E like greener grass. In fact, he is the producer of the greasy Strangler. I'm talking about Ann timson, 's come to Daddy. I don't know if this is a Kim's top two, but maybe maybe we'll talk about it again. I'm not sure it is such a strange movie stars Elijah Wood. He's gone to go see his dad who's been estranged from and shit just goes downhill from there. It is so fucking it's like a mumblecore movie where you know, some strange characters meet up and talk it out, but then it's filtered through the In of the people that made the greasy Strangler and just like the weird odd places that that movie goes and I had a great great fan theory for a very long time at this movie that at Tim's himself shut down. I still think you're right. Hey, whatever letter or not the director of Grace with it is such it's such a weird one. It's coming soon, you know, unfortunately, it's not out yet, but it is so worth it and I can't wait for you guys to see it because it is a Bonkers movie. Number two this one John might might have a little gas fat people gasp. It means he's not going to know my number one pick. Oh, would you like me to guess what? Your number two is? My number two pick is the mortuary collection. Yeah. I still have no idea what your number one is. I told you I am where do we see this phone? I can't even remember shit. I think I might have an idea when you're number one is fantastic Fester. The mortuary collection was a another big surprise for me. I didn't really know much going into it other than the one image. I saw circulating around before the festival. It is a collection of stories by first-time director Ryan spindell. He does all three stories. It's got such a like trick-or-treat Vibe where you know, it's got a cohesiveness between the three stories. They all kind of fit together and match the matically and Visually which you can only really get if you have like one mind behind like I love those horror anthologies where you have a lot of different directors, but sometimes they don't fit together as a whole movie. So well, the mortuary collection is just fucking wonderful. Oh, yeah, it blew me away. Like it is visually wonderful. Every story is strong and the connective tissue is just like fucking great. It's incredible and like they have such great little twists and turns including the wraparound story that sort of encompasses everything and yeah, that's that's another thing like you need a good rapper. Story that ties them all together. And this is this is it like essentially a woman is coming to interview for a mortuary position and to make sure that she's right for the job. He talks to her about three of the strangest deaths that he's ever witnessed. And that's how we go in and out of our horror Anthology and these are strange deaths but you're right like they look so fun. There's so playful. This is going to be the first movie you put on your Halloween watch. Us 2020 I absolutely guarantee. It's also why it's my number two pick of 2019. We had a number to tie high five. This one's not out yet. Unfortunately, it just had its Premiere at Fantastic Fest. I don't think of it. I don't know if it's played anywhere else yet, but we'll let you know as soon as it's picked up because I would like to pick it up one and two I want everybody to see this movie. I will tweet about this movie until every single one of you who see no. Yeah, if you're listening to this podcast this movie is for you. I know like, okay. I talked we talked about Greener grass and we talk about blood on her name and like those aren't necessarily like straight horror movies, but this is your horror. I think this one's gonna please a lot of different were fans. Definitely. Yeah, you were right to say like when you first fell in love with trick-or-treat, that's the same feeling you had watching this movie so good, you know when you watch trick or treat and you were just like awake after you're like, oh my god. I've just seen something. I'm going to watch every year for the rest of my life is not too often you get 20 minutes into a movie and you go. Oh, this is my new Don't move. Oh, I think I just like this a lot. Yeah, and I mean that's how I felt about every movie on this list and that's why it hurts to arrange them and organize them into an order and I hate it. I'm Gonna Let You Go first with your number one. Why because I don't know what I yeah. Are you deaf? I dunno number one is and it is of course the vast of night it is the perfect cinematic experience for Twilight Zone fans for old time radio fans. It is so so goddamn good. Can't sing this movies Praises enough but like what Cinema can achieve is what this movie sets out to do. I don't they had there are shots in this movie that I still don't believe they were able to do I don't get it. It's such a low-budget Indie movie. It does so much with so little and like Kim was saying there are moments in this movie that just sort of whisk you away into storytelling like it reminds you what stories can do is it that so much more Currently than me probably because you've already worked on your article and I have not you wrote the review. I would expect you to have lots to say about I haven't read my review in like since I wrote it. The only reason I can say the things that I don't even remember what I said, but like I have been talking about this movie to absolutely everybody that will listen so like I've been preparing for this 10-second bit all year it this this was one of the first movies that we saw this year that immediately went on the top 10 list. I put it at number one thinking that Surely I will find another movie that is that I like more than this because it's a sci-fi movie about aliens. And like I'm it's not at all what I would expect to have as my absolute favorite movie of the year and I think maybe that's what surprised me so much about it. But this movie is just astounding with what it achieves its amazing you please please put this on your radar and please see it when it comes out in a movie theater if you can we watched a screener for it initially because we weren't going to be able to make it at the Overlook film. Shovels, even the theater and we did everything we had to to make sure we could see it in a cinema at Fantastic Fest. It was totally worth it. Yeah and even having seen it before this movie still blew my mind the second time. We saw it last night. Check it out. Was that a third cross over? I believe so cool. So Kim. My number one pick number one. I love that. We flipped order three times for you to just feel comfortable of essays in your movies. But whatever. Are you ready? Do you know what it is? I don't really want to guess. Okay, the no gas you can tell me if you're correct afterwards. Okay, let me let me take a quick look no. No, look at my list. We'll see. Can I take a guess? No, okay. Do you have a guest in your brain? I do. Okay. My number one pick is in fabric all of course, I'm such an idiot. I'm such an idiot. Yeah, Peter Strickland's and fabric was such a surprise and I can't believe that's your number one movie The Years my it's a surprise to me too. Wow, that's so cool. Yeah, so I think my whole 2019 was like leading to me seeing and experiencing this movie. We missed it all through every Festival we went to oh, yeah last year and this year finally. We saw it at Sleepy Hollow Film Festival their inaugural year. It was an amazing Film Festival. It was such an amazing weekend capped it off with this movie, which was wonderful and also earlier this year. We did the episode on Berberian Sound Studio, and I got a newfound appreciation. Even for that movie and like that test style of filmmaking and it just really primed me for seeing in Fabric and it's again like when John put it on his list. There's so little you can say about it to like accurately describe it other than saying it's a killer dress movie that is just gorgeous and strange and twisted and surreal. It has some of my favorite dialogue of the entire year. It's so it's so weird and there's like funny moments, but they're they're funny because there R so off-putting that you do that like uncomfortable laughter the entire movie is off kilter. Yeah, and the acting is wonderful that the time period is beautiful and the aesthetic like it is best thing. I saw in 2019. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, and it's out now you can see it. So some good little find it. Yes. We're there any movies you were surprised weren't on my list. Yeah. I was surprised that you didn't have Midsummer on your list. I didn't expect it up very high what I thought it would good it was Like your number 10 or your number nine, I mean I liked it. I liked it a lot. But unfortunately I was forced to organize my likes. You got pushed off. Yeah it one point. I was trying to figure out like my number 10 slot was basically open and and it was just like well fuck I need to put one of these movies I love in here and I was like maybe I should put mid-summer the lighthouse and I was trying to figure out which two. I like more I was like fuck it greener grass is a recent watch. So that's why I was a little hesitant to put it in but it's absolutely one of the best movies of I was surprised. I put greener grass higher than you when you say it's so early. I was like whoo hoo. Hey to be fair. I think I was just like I don't because it was supposedly so much. I was feeling that way a little bit about putting in fabric as my number one because for most of 2019 like because we've been doing this list now every year for three years. So whenever I see new movies that I really like I'm like, oh, yeah. This is my number one of the end of the year vast of night was my number one to like last month. That's cool. And then it was Mortuary collection. We have my number one and then when I saw it Fabric, I was just like yeah so funny like I would not take that to be like your bag. You know what I mean? Like it's it's such a strange Odd Movie that it seems like the kind of thing that I would like force you to watch and then have to talk to you about it afterward. The funny thing is after we saw it. I tried to downplay how much I liked it because I wanted it to be I knew in the theater. I was like, oh, yeah. This is my favorite. Don't hide your love for me. I want to know about this and it was all for this moment. Moment and I just like don't don't spoil it and then we met up with Grant who also loved it. Like you really you're gonna hide all of this much about yourself from the people around you I expressed enthusiasm, but I wasn't just like best movie of the year. I'll make you can say that I did do that with Mortuary collection and vest of night because I lost my ship for both those movies. So top three was like if I could have three number ones, so three movies. What about before we get onto honourable mentions. How about do you have a best discovery of the year? A movie you saw that wasn't released in 2019 that you were super in love with. Well, I have to the MacPherson tape which we saw. Okay. Fantastic Fest. It was a restoration screening. It's kind of like a really fun alien found-footage E-Type movie. It's all kind of like handheld family birthday dinner. Just a fun like hidden found footage movie that you feel like you would find in like a VHS tape at a Garage sale, all right, and then my other discovery which we get to talk about in a January episode coming up soon is you know, this is of course, I know Carnival of Souls. Yeah watched it this month. It was blew my mind how I had not seen it previously. It's now one of my favorite movies of all time. That's great. We'll get into that in a lot more detail in an upcoming episode of the podcast. But for me, I would say my 2019 Discovery. It's hard to it's hard to say. Because this movie was sort of handed to me the way the McPherson tape was like I usually like to keep discoveries as like I knew absolutely nothing about this picked it up of a VHS shelf or like just put it on streaming. But like that's that becomes harder and harder to do. My number one discovery of 2019 Tammy and the T-Rex. Yes, this movie is Bonkers and God we trade pick we should specify its the gore cut of taming the T-Rex because Tammy the T-Rex exists. It's a movie that you can watch that I hear is not very good because it doesn't have all these added elements of Gore and T-Rex sex that you will get with this Paul Walker's you know, this Paul Walker turned animatronic dinosaur movie. It makes no sense. You got to check it out of vinegar syndrome has released it now and it is the strangest film ever made real quick. You got some honorable mentions. Yeah, so I'll just rhyme off a few people few films. These ones were all on my top ten list at some point. But then when I like I had to do the audit and the correcting and the Remembering movies. I forgot how many how many honorable mentions you got? I have five five. Okay, I've got I got six. Okay. I'm just here. I'm off the lodge crawl escape room guns akimbo and John Wick 3 para Bellum with almost. It was like my number six pick and I was like no people are going to be so mad at me because I know it's not it's not genre at all. It's like your action, but these don't make films are getting so fucked. Fucking good are pretty great. And Keanu Reeves is like at his top. No Parabellum was a very very kind of like riding this this Keanu wave with like the rest of the internet and and normally I'm not part of these like huge things like I'd there's all this like baby Yoda thing happening and I don't know anything about Star Wars. So like I'm just never a part of that world and like everybody's everybody's always about superheroes and like that other superhero Saga that ended and everyone was sad, and I was just like not a part of that. But I can be part of Keanu Stan. I can be part of it. I can be part of that. So I did have extraordinary in my honorable mentions. Would you had in your top 10? So I'll just I'll just take that off Bliss. Of course. We literally the day were recording this podcast. We watched Bliss yesterday Bliss is Joe Buck. Bigos is bliss is the kind of movie that should be in my top 10 would probably be in my top ten, but I just I don't know what to do with it right now. I'm still processing it a fucking loved it. I thought it was great, but my Honorable Men Actions a little like ring inspired movie called stare that has like one of the coolest ghost story setups for of monster st. Mod, which if you like taxi driver and you didn't think Joker was was your bag Saint Mod is the horror version of Taxi Driver with an almost entirely female cast super great loved it porno hilarious fun so much fun, like probably some of the best practical effects of the year to write seder very low-key. Very strange very eerie. Yeah, like a tarot card for two hours. That's a really good description. Yeah, that's a weird movie that just like drills into your head very slowly and also synchronic from are and Moorhead and Justin Benson. I haven't seen it yet. It's a really good one. It almost made it in my list. It's great. Is that one of ya know it's not believe it's been picked up a logo USA and you know, what? Fuck it. I'm gonna put a movie on my honorable mentions that I haven't seen yet. I want to see after midnight something else. I don't know when it's called anymore, but I've been dying to see that movie the same way. I was dying to see Bliss and then you know, I just haven't made the time to see it. I should have I'm putting on my honorable mentions be some of the darkness. I haven't seen that yet either. I miss that at Fantastic Fest and I'm really sad about it. I'm recommending that one for myself. Yeah, that's on my keep your ears peeled for when it gets released. But thank you guys so much for listening to our top 10 and for listening to nightmare on film Street the podcast in general we have had an amazing 2019. We absolutely could not have done that with that you I'm so glad you were here and with us along for the ride for that whole Trek across the east coast of the state. Yeah, shout out to everybody that we met along the way our contributors and all the fans that came up to us. It was so fun to be able to meet so many people all over the United States and North America do not know how often I was just having the worst day of my life and somebody came up and said hey, I really like the podcast to want to bother you guys. I'm just going to go and it was just like, oh my God, I'm a human again. Again, and not that I need that to live or anything but like yeah, like I really I love telling people that I love their work and if you see us do not feel shy about coming up and saying hello. We want to talk to you. 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I think really good world-building is not just cool to have a setting and then put dragons in it or put something in it. What makes them fun. I think is specifically how they interact with various group. It's not just having that element. It's how that element changes every other element in the world. That's what is funny to a certain style I suppose. Welcome to World casting where we discuss real made-up things. I'm your host die known today. You'll be joining me in a discussion on the importance of magical beasts and animals and fiction and mythology from Iconic creatures such as the dragon or Griffin to lesser-known and ancient ones such as the sirach the role they play in The Narrative and perception of the wilderland they give us Today joining me are are of our and machinate Inky and read it would be so kind as to introduce yourselves. Hello. There. I am are I do some of the interviews for World building magazines? Oh hello. Hello. Hello. I am Evacuate the editorial chair here at world-building magazine. I'm an avid writer video gamer and World Builder and I'm glad to be here. Hello. I'm in K. I'm one of the layout artists and illustrators here at will. Building magazine and I also do comic World building. Hello. I'm red. I am one of it migrates editing Deputy chairs and I am by far the most mythical Beast here at the magazine. He's a Mormon. Oh my God as you might think all right. Oh wait, nevermind. I know what it is. Dakota no one's actually from there. There we go. Okay, then also definitely makes me pretty mythical. Yeah. There you go. You got two things. Look at that. All right, so I guess we will start with a discussion and a couple of examples of Fantastical beasts and creatures specifically ones that we particularly liked especially myself and all of you. I'm sure you have at least some kind of mythical beasts or Fantastical creature that you've just been taken in by in your long time. And World building so we'll start off with just quickly. What do you guys like that are Fantastical creatures? I mean, I think everyone loves dragons, but I think there's so many layers that can go into it or how I mean like dragons are so prominent. Just I think the first thing that if you go into Fantasy World building that everyone thinks about and how different it develop Within the genre alone like you got The Hobbit with smoke and it's a completely different Dragon than for example in How to Train Your Dragon stuff like this. I think it's just so different and although it's technically the same creature and I think that's quite fascinating and just also how you can invert and deviate within just one creature. I think that's quite interesting. Like how different cultures maybe have like a different deportation of a Dragon for example, if you ask someone in Europe what a dragon looks like the answer might not be the same as someone Asia. Yeah dragons have definitely seen a lot of different interpretations not just in modern media, but in just historically they have been all across the board. And yeah, it's tons of fun. I remember a book Dragonology way back when this just this cool little, you know expose on different. It's the dragons and what they do what makes some creepy what makes them cool is there's tons of fun reading that book. I honestly it was the ology books that because there's a series of them that it probably got me first legitimately hooked on like actual legitimate World building just for fun, you know, but for me one of the coolest mythical creatures I have read but have never found anywhere else is the caladrius. You can find it in Old medieval bestiaries that often like to play up the Christian metaphors that the like to kind of just tie into Parables and terrible stuff like that. Yeah. The caladrius is like this I guess for the simplest way to put it is it's like pure white swan but like it is capable of taking on the sicknesses of other people and then it flies up near the Sun and those sicknesses get burned away. So they are kind of the opposite of like your Grim Reaper instead of you know, being a force of death. They are a force of life. And so you can obviously see why there's a lot of Christian overtones attached to it, but it's an interesting creature and there's not a whole lot to it again. It's basically just the swan but some magical powers, but you don't have to get too crazy to create cool stuff. And I think that's what's really fun about looking through things like medieval bestiaries were they didn't they had a limited page count, you know. They had to hand write all that stuff for every copy they made and so a lot of them are very short and it's just really cool to look at actually. I feel like I come into this a little bit differently like my intro to World building in general comes from a little more of a scientific side. So a part of my brain looks at dragons and like loves the D&D side of you know, what this is just a cool thing throw it in there. It does interesting stuff. But a lot of what I feel like I like is things that feel Possible or are using physics and evolution in interesting ways. Probably my favorite is in the Brandon Sanderson Stormlight Archive series. There are great channels just enormous Crustaceans that walk around and kill things. They're like, they're insane. So those would be probably be my favorite because you can kind of buy into the reality of the world and environment and see how it exists and has a niche - a bit more of a broad General group. I like beasts that tend to do not exactly humanoids, but they have pretty much anything to has like sentience and sapiens. Like they have the ability to reason and to think much akin to what we expect of humans. And what I'm thinking of is forever. He's a unicorn comes up because they tend to be portrayed as benevolent Spirits the tend to have understanding of Affairs of Mortals will also being kind of separated from it and in that sense their interactions with people tend to be But some narratives can portray him as something of like a guardian or a a line or an entity that can provide assistance when needed but only to certain individuals. Yeah picking up on that. I also love like creatures that are rooted in ordinary animals, like for example foxes and then you got the more magical or fail like Kitsune. For example, they are bought a ring. Sing more like the direction of deities, but I think it's quite interesting to just go with very ordinary animal and add something special and human and I will send you and basically to it in a way. We don't attach to ordinary animals for sure. It's one of the things that makes Narnia so super accessible to I think I think we've brought this up before in other episodes. I mean some correct me if I'm wrong or not. Talk a lot inside and outside the podcast but having things that are simple like that like just having an ordinary creature and finding some cool thing too attached to it to give it an error of mysticism makes it super accessible for your audiences, which is just totally cool. And again, that's one of the really super nice things about Narnia as he busts out all these words for things that you already know but gives them a fantasy Flair. Doesn't really take much to make mythical beasts really not exactly true, especially in the occasion of CS Lewis. He has this almost flare about him where he's redefining some terms but he keeps so much grounded in the idea like the beavers live in a damn and they're not very clean and it's it's his whole thing that kind of builds together where you would assume this from it and having a life line like that really is what will engage your audience most I supposed for. Off since we've heard about dragons good swans unicorns and Crustaceans that will kill you. My personal favorite is the Mushu which is also known as the sirach. It is a Sumerian Babylonian four legs of a lion body of a dragon giraffe. It's great. It spits acid. Everyone loves it. Like one of the first horrifying inventions of humanity. I love love it. Perfect kids toy right there. Exactly and like every time we find a picture of it is usually embossed in Gold you can't get better than that. But the point is that all these together have small threads to them that you could weave in in any amount of ways. Am I going to kind of touch this with unicorn and how there are multiple ways to kind of approach it? There's a general way and then playing on it and making your own red with you know, the animals of Narnia. It's it's how you approach these. They're not even tropes. They're so much more heavily ingrained in US. It's how you use them in approach them. I think is what really determines the usefulness in your own world building and just like thank you had mentioned and then I had seconded and I'm going to now third myself but I went to do that. Hang on. No, it's just the fact that Dino, you know brought up that this is something that people have played with a lot. I mean just go look at some of the oldest storytelling devices that we have as human beings go look at, you know, like I stops fables and stuff. That stories that people used to tell each other when it boils down to something as simple as having animals to talk. I mean we have always been enamored with the Mystic ality of the natural world the things that could be that aren't necessarily so I think that's also that we try to find ourselves in these like oh, yeah, I'm put the fables is you try to find archetypes of human basically like human characters. And attach them to specific animals like a fox is very clever and cunning and the crow is very and Addison. I first word is relatively deceptive you have the wolf is ravenous lion is gravity or prideful and the turtle who sold. Oh, yes, although sheep that is in a sand and stuff like this. X on a plane, but from what region are you looking at the trait you're giving them and see that is that see that's the question because let's say you taking an Egyptian perspective their destructive because they are Apophis they are in the dragon of Egypt. So it's interesting to see that we have this perception of snakes because of like coral snakes and stuff that would bite Us in northern Europe and it kind of carried over into the larger consensus especially here in America and it definitely over in Europe as well parts of it. Yeah. It says that natural world that's informing. You know what we how we perceive different creatures and yeah, obviously not everyone's experience is exactly the same. I think one of the other interesting things to is is the mythicality that people present to them via their religion and stuff like that. You get a lot of we've brought this up before too but like a video and gods and stuff like that that created animals out of men. And we we can see those characteristics in them to that way. No, it's very true. And I mean you can take a look at the spider. I think is the greatest example of looking for a video in traits and so many different cultures. They all have a different reason for the spider. Is this Cretin and it's only really in some of the sum of the areas of the Gold Coast where you have Anansi the spider trickster God who's a trickster in a good way usually or kind of going up? And Down the River of time to help men do clever things. It's all about perception. But then you have Tolkien when he's a boy in South Africa getting bit by a spider and then he makes shelob. So you really have this whole way to view spiders that's entirely different depending on your own personal experience with them where you live Etc though. I think most people kind of agree that they are a naturally creepy and some way I think like you'd I think what also is interesting that we also have a different view on nature in general depending on where we live. Like I think Japan is like a very prominent example for me if they there is so much respect for nature that a lot of the spirits were rather Cami take some form of animals or other neutral and it depends more on how you treat them then how they are in. Their nature how we would use them in Europe. For example, where we have the bad wolf and the good lamb. Yeah, exactly the interactions that we have had with nature and especially you can see in folklore like with the comedy in Japan that almost Reverend tone. Whereas in America, especially the United States. We have a lot of folklore about the Wilderness being unsafe and dangerous because that's what we found when the original Colonists came here. It's mainly the Bears. At least the Bears guys. Yeah freaking huge Bears cougars mountain lions, but I really enjoyed the discussion on what we're talking about is essentially culture and Nuance the meaning that societies are putting on these creatures which just shows I think just how much they mentioned is to the topic of creatures because we haven't even really gotten to like any sort of physically make our reasoning for Animals is just kind of our perspective if that makes sense as people. Yeah, I mean definitely is how we relate to animals in general. I mean just feel look at which animals we select to be all livestock or which we use as pets for example, someone very exotic. You probably won't have a snake because of certain connotations that has and it's not for many people don't see them as cute and I mean, okay, they are also difficult to take care of but I think this is also a huge Cultural thing and it says what about your cacio will bullying than actually the animal itself. Yeah, I think there's an interesting thing that you touched on in there to about so not just the cultural aspect as far as like artsy culture goes but also how they live how you said this sort of animals that we choose to domesticate to work with kind of makes you wonder why you don't see more often. I mean you do see it often enough but something I wish was delved into deeper in a lot more settings is how those animals and mythical creatures and stuff like that. Would actually interact with the society that they are being involved in we constantly see Dragon Riders and stuff like that which by the way sounds ridiculous to me a giant creature that could you know, burn your entire Village the ground and you're just like we're going to domesticate you but it's cool. It is cool rule of cool again a huge advocate for aural cool always Trump's but it's one of those things where it's like what sort of role do these creatures play in your Society should be a major question. You ask yourself is this creature something that you can get some sort of product from or is this creature something that you seek companionship from? Does it help defend you, you know those sorts of questions. I think lead to some of the most interesting not only creatures but the way that they're utilized in a setting Yeah, I think that that's really just kind of really good world-building is it's not just cool to have a setting and then put dragons in it or put something in it is to make a CH as fun as dragons make every setting what makes them fun. I think is specifically how they interact with various groups. It's you know, it's not just it's not just having that element. It's how that element changes every other element in the world. That's what is fun to a certain style I suppose. yeah, I think this is also why I actually really love the dragons in How to Train Your Dragon because they are forests are actually anime basically and because they also didn't understand how to interact with them in a peaceful way or to understand them and try to understand them and how they act but I think this kind of way is something that really haven't quite interesting and something about usually and other Fantasy Dragons are Always sentient and one kind of want to be with human or insert. Any other race that also can become a dragon rider, but with no real used to it or they don't really have a benefit to it most cases. So I think this was also something about iPhone quite interesting and there's a slight tangent and connecting back to what red said how it seems ridiculous that humans will ever get to ride these massive Predators knows dragons to eat. So I think that's taking the matter more into an exacerbation of human tenacity considering our place in real life on that should be like the predator-prey food chain based off our size and physicalities. It really doesn't make sense in real life. So it's just, you know, stepping it up when you can make it up. Well, I think that it also plays into is there something that they can gain outside of it is the dragon more than just a beast or is it a sentient magical creature? But all right, we're gonna say well, yeah, I that is that it's kind of what I think the point is that if you really want to be kind of more on the hardcore side of world-building you have to make those justifications. I think there is a lot to be said for this is a cool idea. I would like to use it and then kind of back tracking and figuring out what you can shift around in a world to make that happen. So coming up with an interesting Society or technology or or relationship between humans and these beasts that leads. To this super cool relationship where you can have someone fly on one like that is what makes really cool world-building to me. Well and yeah, so I was actually write this whole thing. I'm thinking to myself. It's not just humans that interact. My classic example is Avatar James Cameron's Avatar. The entire biosphere of of Pandora is connected in a way and that see that's the other thing too. Is this is another Arena where it doesn't really take a whole lot to make these ideas tie together. They've all evolved together in a way that They can communicate through the weird like spinal tap in their ponytails as weird as that sounds too, but it's cool to see people though like James Cameron who take these ideas so I could be cool to have this giant six-legged Panther running around the forest wouldn't it and saying about how does that operate in the grander scheme of the setting and having all these creatures that have evolved together and have learned to in a fashion become codependent on each. each other Was really cool idea and it helps sell that rule of cool to other people. It makes it feel infinitely more organic. If you can tie these cool ideas into other ideas that really helped ground your work into what is or less cohesive setting even if it's well outside our normal understanding so this all gets into our second topic about ways to tie them into your settings and we've kind of touched on ways that they are utilized I guess and I guess what one of the points would be for you guys is how do you feel like the ability to tie them in can be justified through nature? Like God's Mortals like as nature would be Avatar Gods would be honestly Greek mythology making a pegasus like Poseidon those or Mortals domesticating them like in real life with horses, or you could even jump into biopunk in that direction to yes exactly. Do you guys feel like Is a necessary piece of world willing to try to justify them. I know that we touched on it slightly, but do you think that it's a good way to make it feel more plausible at the very least. I think it will greatly depend on intent and focus and I think for many you'll be kind of door all their own world building style and of course experience, but that's something that can that can change with research. For example If this is kind of starting off with it, for example, it's like every setting that goes into fantasy medieval has some sort of horse analog. I don't think we I don't think we ever really question why there is a horse analog because in real life, it just makes sense sure. They need something to travel. They have four legs taking travel better than most people and on foot sure, whatever. It's called a horse Chocobo, etc, etc. It's there. And then when you get to something more unique, let's say someone give me something more unique. I'm blanking out giant lizard. Yeah, for example, you have these domesticated giant lizards and then you get into this whole Ecology of similar to dragons. Why are they domesticated with the accomplished are they naturally Predators where they bred? There's all these details that you can then figure out and those details are what can make your setting and their presidents and you're setting unique but it all depends on what it's important enough that these giant lizards are highlighted spotlighting given reasons for doing what they do in existing even Yeah, I think it also depends on what place they actually have. Like are they some kind of mystical beings or other actually like in a very domestic life very present and or maybe they are even creatures that might exist but might also not I think it really depends on what place they will have a new story you're telling yeah, I think medium might have a lot to do with it as well because I know when I play Dean I do not care where something like dragons created by God's Great mind flayers time travel from the future. Great Albert our experimentation awesome idea. It doesn't matter but when it comes to you the the stories fantasy story that I read. I tend to lean a lot more tours. I think plausibility and sort of what's what I think is almost a new sort of genre of science fantasy kind of where it's a secondary world that's has magic but is treated kind of plausibly. I will continue in you to bring up Sanderson because I love those books but a lot of what he does is that kind of thing. He has a lot of unique creatures that completely different from from everything else that are tied into the magic and the world specifically like the giant Crustaceans for example in storm. Like there is an entire world that is ravaged by hurricanes magical hurricane such as hit the world. So what happens Evolution doesn't come up with a lot of like mammals necessarily it's more like an above World coral reef. So carapace become the thing instead of Is they have these very slow large craft that people ride so that kind of stuff really bringing it into the world and connecting it and all those cool ways it like the way that Evolution could have gone is what I prefer in that Medium. Yeah, I definitely can agree with that. I don't think I've really ever paid much attention in a D&D game of like where the horse comes from her or like writing dogs, like maybe a joke about what kind of dog it is, but I don't care about the history of domesticated dogs and dandy, but when it does come to the fiction that I read I definitely prefer something a little bit more plausible. That's kind of like a simpler curved line to try to understand it and it doesn't need to be terribly complex like that. You mentioned the storm light. It's Storm track World fewer mammals giant crabs. That's a perfect line. I can see that that makes sense in my head. And I think that's the goal to aim for in world-building is to just kind of different people have different lines for plausibility that they want. I really appreciate it for some people that's not necessarily what they're looking for like Terry Pratchett. There's a lot of yeah, you know, it just all kind of really cool stuff. That's very fun. And that's kind of what the focus of the story is, but I feel like for people who are specifically reading a magazine and listening to a podcast about world. Building I think that level of plausibility is something that you're looking for probably and if not, there is nothing wrong with it. Oh, yeah, cool giant giant jellyfish that guy and they build battle towers on them go like do you but if you're that's real looking for I think you'll find like Minds on there's nothing wrong with hybridizing your approach either to I mean, one of the coolest stories I recall and I'm sad that it didn't go farther than it did but Ian culphers the Trillest houses one of the most interesting creatures in there and I struggle to call to throw away because it's technically a huge part of the plot. Which also I suppose I should say spoiler alert, but you know, there are these parasite things basically that once you've had like a near-death experience you sometimes gain the ability to see them. So this group of kids has the ability to see all of these these parasites that just kind of latch onto people the people are convinced that these things are secondly the life force out of people because they constantly seem around people who died but that line of plausibility doesn't necessarily have to extend from Thing set in science or even set in logic in some ways it can also just be a simple line of thought from this is something that is common, but we can't explain and that's that's what the parasites actually do is they take away people's pain. So you seem around people who are dying because they're they're making sure that they died peacefully and it's kind of one of the big plot twist the end of the book. It's not like anything major. It's not some sort of line that We have to say oh it's physics. This makes sense. It's not the same way where it's like, it's just entirely rule of cool. It's a wonderful line a wonderful mix in between those two things internal consistency at wherever exact box tops of you're going to have to believe this after that. It's all very consistent. I do preach exactly and I mean, I think it also depends on how I mean will be for example in the real world. We didn't believe in evolution until basically. We 200 years ago. So I think cool background knowledge for yourself when you're Whirlpool, but I think not everyone needs to know it because I think also I think nowadays not everyone knows exactly how Evolution works. But like how the heck did we get the red pandas? Where do they come from? I don't know all we don't know it. I think there's well when read in a panda love each other very much. Oh jeez. Oh, hey dodo, not there not there. That's something else entirely. Well point being is that I think it's still okay to not know everything or make everything like absolutely plausible because we still don't know everything and you can never know everything and I think you just want to make it consistent with the new world. Yeah, it's already or sad at some point. You just don't question it and you usually just want to make an immersive world that feels right more than it should be logical. I think yeah, an immersive world does not have to be an exhaustive one. So I think I mean it's definitely cool to think about it and like which physical laws and he put me to the altar to have like a don't know giant centipedes or something like this or to make it possible and but I think you don't always need to explain everything or even to yourself. Yeah, and the touch back on the consistency point the other part of it aside from just the craters perspective creating something. That's either cool. That is plausible. I think a sometimes forgotten resources and mention with the horses is the perspective understanding that if you do have an audience and If you're intending for a certain group of people some people readers playing into what they already know and that can help you gauge how much you need to justify or create? Yeah. Absolutely. I definitely think that internal consistency is probably the most important thing. But once again the Only Rule just try to be as consistent with yourself as you can and if you break a rule explain, why don't ya just don't break just just just don't break it. It's not worth it. Yeah. Yeah, II definitely as long as you were consistency is the main thing and that goes for more than just creating creatures that goes for literally any aspect of a world consistency in how government works social policies. If you want to create something immersive and its own way it has to play by its own rules that said I think there's a lot of fun to be had in trying to create something new using existing principles. Like I love the notion of like I love dragons, but I Not write a story about dragons because like how do they stay up with those tiny little wings and how do they breathe fire is like it didn't work for me. But you know, you take a lot like the quetzalcoatlus wasn't like an old old bird that existed some time ago and it was huge. And so you have limitations when it comes to Flying creatures at like they can't be that big because bone density and the square-cube law and they could just not fly. But how do you do that? If you use a little bit of magic, maybe if you give them very very kind of light Wings light bones. Maybe you can only ride them if like they're already in motion and you have to kind of jump on one immediately. You have a different story from one that's about dragons with all of sort of the lack of limitations that dragons would have it. I think limitations breed creativity in that sense. Maybe the dragon just doesn't fly but as a gliding animal like flying house, this is all right word. There you go. That's a different story to I think that that's what That's what fantasy can do is give you all these kinds of new stories with different creatures. The square-cube law on is a mathematical relationship. So that gets into questions of lift and other physics. I don't think you can break this the quest the interesting question is how do you overcome the square-cube law to get those things? And that is I think what was interesting to speculate about it does have a place when trying to go for a more realistic bent I suppose but it isn't something I would I would worry too much about out and World building. Oh, yeah, unless unless it's something that you're interested in totally. Yeah, but if it is, I think it's one of those really interesting considerations, especially when it comes to flight if you want to do something that's a little more closer to Evolution. But again, it really just depends on what you want to do. I find it a very interesting question and sort of how you get around those limitations leads to something different precisely an interesting thought that square-cube law is humanoid Beast monsters. Because of the heat differentials for wait, like give these huge Ox people in anime all the time and it's just like how does that thing cool down and it's just thinking on a scale of humanoid to Beast. Where do these fall and what would you still consider a mythical beast? And your guys's words. I think that comes down to relativity to an extent. Whenever I think of a mythical beasts like the first thing that props up and sister put since you put the idea in full people is like the Minotaur it's it's a human but it's a bowl and if I were to go to a farm, I would not see it. I would hope not and then there's you in a bull love each other very much. Okay, that is where it came from. We're not the point that I was making we have covered how weird Zeus is in this in this podcast have far apart two guys, but for me, it's always if I were to kind of think about what it is commonly seen in my real life and in perhaps the one ironically this means that some of the more exotic creatures on our world that exists actually exist. I would probably consider just mythical for whatever reason like why Why are they here was the purpose the platypuses? Like the first thing that comes to mind? Like, I know it's a real thing. I sometimes doubt how it exists. I don't believe it. I legitimately thought that it was a like Jackalope style hoax for like it when I was a little kid for the longest time probably up until I took like an actual biology class in high school. Well, it doesn't actually take much though for people to be convinced that a thing is like just too ridiculous to be real platypus is one of the biggest contenders except these days now everyone's so A familiar with the Platypus because of how widely it's time to about that. You know, it is exited its realm of mythicality but like it doesn't really take much. I mean, I know I enthused about red pandas quite often but like I've shown plenty of people pictures of red panda and it like like what is this thing does not does not look like a normal thing and and then people are like so like, what do they do you like? Well, they just like sleep in trees all day like sorts of cat and I'm like no well kind of It's like I mean really doesn't take much though for people to say that definitely looks like something out of place. It does not look like anything that's a normal thing. And so yeah again, I've been just like pounding the pulpit about simplicity's whole podcast and I apologize but I mean really it does not take much to push for those those mythical things whether that is mixing man and animal together or just coming up with a creature that doesn't exactly have a purpose but has gotten to this point somehow. I mean red pandas honest-to-goodness. I could not think of a single evolutionary reason for them to still exist, but they do the mola mola. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I thought it was a poet is a Pokemon. I was like, that's all is no it's a real thing crazy. I mean what I I think is even more interesting is if you just look at the striations of animals from medieval times like rhinos or something feels like it's amazing, especially if you went to the zoo or it is so in documentary or something and you know how the anima actually looks like and then I mean they went after descriptions from Travelers who went to Africa. AA things like this and then they had they went after those descriptions and Drew what they heard but it looks vastly different than how the animal actually looks like and it's so funny and I think those look way more Fantastical than a platypus or a panda ever will because it's just human imagination of often description and I think it would also be interesting to just described Animals to someone without naming what this animal is and let them draw this. I think this would be absolutely baffling. What will come up with. Yeah, if you if you have never looked at any pictures from a medieval bestiary going to ask that you pause this podcast right now and go do so, please they every really though the pictures they range everywhere from like super crazy realistic and sometimes surprisingly. Accurate too Fantastical to stick figures. I'm going to have to pause the podcast for a sec. I'll see you guys in a bit. I would definitely suggest going to the Renaissance period where they had more availability of to good art and you can look up deuter's the rhinoceros and it honestly looks like a rhinoceros that you would find in like a D&D bestiary. It has like actual armor and its legs look like they're covered in scale mail. And it's head looks like a helmet but it just like it is said though. This is yeah, he drew it completely from things. He had heard from other people. He himself had never actually seen a rhinoceros and it is somehow like a perfect. It's a Perfect Blend between yeah the Fantastical and what it actually looks like and it's cool. I think it's just amazing. I mean we had to draw something like this in our class and I think 6th grade and it was just crazy. I think is also a quite interesting practice. As I said before I cuz it's kind of grounded in what we know but also absolutely not because it's grounded in our assumptions and that's honestly all that mythical beasts are they are the common human assumptions of nature or some Fantastical element there much like mythology in that way. They were used to explain the world. Why was something the way it was the uncle of her supernaturalists those parasites you could say Those were from mythology in Sweden where it's dark and everyone's depressed and I would believe you because it explains the world and I think that's one of the aspects of mythological beasts over Fantastical beasts is that they have a place and either a heroic epic for a very specific tasks such as the simurgh in the Persian Foundation myth or such as the Minotaur where it has a mythological purpose. Us as well versus fairies in English and Irish mythology where they serve usually some nature appointed tasks like brownies clean things or red caps play tricks Etc. They serve a purpose and in Fantastical literature. We don't really see them playing too much of a purpose other than some predefined role to justify them being in the Senate and I think that's the different. I think we are in an interesting period here we kind of The same thing when we talk about superhero stories as the modern mythology where in the past these were kind of not quite descriptive but there was sort of an understanding that these stories were in some way true. And now we've come to a point where we know that Superhero stories are false get we continue to tell them in the same way. I think we're seeing with the fantasy genre in the past. These kind of descriptions were these are things that are out there. These are interpretations of the world and now we're at a point where we know these things. Are intentionally Fantastical and yet we're still telling these stories and making these creatures in Science Fiction and Fantasy and they serve as more of an exploration a sort of looking forward to different possibilities and ideas as I find that really interesting and really worthwhile. It kind of suggests that we should keep pushing the envelope. I think that's the beautiful thing about World building and you brought this up before ever. I mean that exploration is what makes world-building so Dynamic and so fun. It's our ability to take these things. We are familiar with and turn them into something else make them unfamiliar, but just familiar enough that we connect to them on on a normal level. Like I had mentioned we've been telling stories to each other for generations and eons. I mean, so since well before recorded history and you know, there's something very powerful about our ability to take what we can observe in the world and turned into something all our own I think having our own spin on it as what makes them so versatile is because there's so many options even with just straight up mythological Beast NVM ones that you can create on your own that makes them a little bit easier to have I know people who don't have dragons elves dwarves Etc and they're setting but they'll have like some kind of wolf Monster or really big bird or something along the lines where you go, that's a Fantastic Beasts, which I suppose it also ought to be said here now is Your tangent but relevant to this point you may while you're doing world-building feel like you're suddenly an imposter. This is a common thing a lot of people call it imposter syndrome. You feel like you're stealing ideas from places that that everyone else has already been before believe me. Even the most professional people out there do this. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Even if you don't actually change it as long as you change something somewhere else. It doesn't even have to be about the thing. I mean you could take werewolves straight out of Bram Stoker Bram Stoker novel and No One's Gonna question it, but if you don't do anything with it, then that's where you're going to fall into imposter syndrome is where you don't change anything else about it and you're suddenly rewriting you or Bram Stoker novel then you've kind of failed but instead try and find a way that you can again. I to change the thing that you're you're borrowing or change something else about the the world that you're borrowing from. That's I mean everyone starts that way that's just how your brain works. We don't actually create new ideas. Psychologically speaking, we build off of the building blocks that we have from things that we've read things as we've seen things that we've heard. There's no reason to feel like an impostor if you're taking something and making it your own you want to have werewolves cool. Give it your own Flair. That'll help. You feel a lot better about it. The long run just don't be Stephanie Meyer and just say they glitter that's what they do. That's that's not changing enough that is imposter syndrome in a in the worst possible way. I think will also will be a very interesting option. I've read that and a novel actually was model Sushi. Sorry for my Mandarin is terrible and there was quite interesting. They took a mythical creature and in Universe they already knew about it was just the tail there were unsure if it didn't really exist and then turned out it did exist but in a different way than it did in. Chinese with collagen and I think this is also something that you could do like maybe in Universe. They think it works the way you are used to it and real world, but then it turns out to be something different just think that detective barek mostly also interesting. I have to say one of the cooler takes on working Fantastical creatures into a setting has got to be Carnival row they play with the whole idea that they're human beings have been telling each other stories about, you know, fairytale creatures for some time, but they actually find a land where they actually exist which is essentially, you know, kind of like our new world human beings had bumped into them in their Homeland and suddenly it's now, okay, they're real is this is cool to see people's different takes on it. I'm just curious if any Also seen seen a different take not necessarily just on the beasts themselves, but on what's the coolest way that you've seen them introduced into the story. There was the fables Comics did that pretty well, they have the game The Wolf Among Us recently. I haven't read all the comics but the notion was that all of these kind of fairytale creatures once you know people people rather kind of existed in this other world, and they had to be they were kind of pushed out and found their way I think to New York or something and had to live in the real world in like interact and that was that's that's always fascinating. I feel like honestly carnival ride would have been my example. I love the way that they did that and their take on traditional Fay creatures such as Pixies and pucks. It was it was awesome. I definitely was a huge fan of it. Yeah, there's it's a salt example of taking an idea that people are familiar with and kind of remix in it to your own too. Yeah, exactly. They even have their own take on werewolves in it and it's really cool and terrifying. Yeah. That was that was pretty cool. Oh that reminded me because we're speaking a series that I got hyped over Carnival row. Well even more hyped is The Witcher, which is pretty much a compendium of different sorts of mythical creatures or was I called folklore in putting into this world and it's very blatant that these monsters are usually not friends. Most of them are very hostile to that medieval setting but there are some that are more sentient that might just want to exist and be left alone. So I think the way that the which were were the world The Witcher handles creatures is it's prettier but I also enjoyed because it does play into that Grit. But not everything is a unicorn then wants to help someone which is honestly the whole purpose of a lot of fairy tales is that the mythical creature in it is not helpful. And even if it is helpful, it's usually at a cost and it's just funny to see that like so many people take like a spin on that and there's so many just just blatantly good mythical creatures are fantastic creatures now and literature but I think playing and blurring the lines is really where that would Well, like with unicorns and grit yeah, I feel like there's there's a lot of interesting your relationship to fantasy creatures really depends on what kind of again it's all come down to your medium. Like I can bring up D and E again. It's just like it doesn't matter you do whatever you want that game works best at the kitchen sink. If you're doing an urban fantasy on the other hand. There is something to be said for still taking the traditional vampires werewolves, which is and those touchdowns that people recognize and putting them. Into a world and exploring how they relate to that world. If you're doing something that's completely new secondary world and you want to be differentiated from Tolkien and like you probably want to do your own thing and come up with your own varieties of magical creatures. It all comes down to kind of what you're trying to do. If you're trying to a fairy tale retelling then again, you keep those elements because that's what you want. That's what you are trying to evoke in in the in the consumer go for no magical creatures all I'm worried about what always an option. It is low fantasy. You have to involve them in Subway. It's not a not how it works. Not everything is a kitchen sink. But man, if I could extend a second challenge to anybody I want someone to go right in urban fantasy. That was not as bad as as bright. I guess I technically she called null history like fantasy all history such a cool premise as far as the trailers were concerned boy execution on that was poor, you know, all of world history paid out exactly the same despite the fact that there are dragons like flying in the background. Centaur cops, and you just like this was this is poorly executed. You gotta give it some thought not everything works just by rule of cool this boils down back again to our discussion internal consistency. You gotta you gotta find some sort of line that makes your world actually breathe. Otherwise, it just feels like well I kitchen sink which are not fun to look at especially if you've got five roommates. I that urban fantasy probably has this whole place and I feel like there's a couple of good attempts at it. But none of them have really taken off and I think that's definitely some unexplored territory that has real estate for someone to make a name out of Dresden Files is doing a lot of that her interest in films is pretty fantastic the early books start with the first one has vampires the second one has werewolves. The third one has ghosts but more and more he kind of creates. Not only does he kind of differentiate. There's you know different kinds of vampires black court is the classic Dracula ones and Dracula was written as a I don't remember if it was a guy to kill them or some kind of false flag to fool people, but then there's like the red Court who kind of our demons that live inside people when the white kurta based on sexuality and they just do what he does a lot of factions of take those elements and does a lot of interesting things with them and brings another mythologies skinwalkers from Native American mythology and all kind of just all kinds of cool stuff. That's a kitchen sink. Done Right, basically, I would agree and the phase. Well Omega, never never. Oh, that's too good. Take on Faye. I think what's also I've been kind of difficult for. urban fantasy is to find the balance between the hiding and we'll being obvious or the Masquerade because sometimes it's like they have a human shape and like anything magical mystical whatever or a supernatural and then you have to find out how to Them to show their true self and I think there's a kind of overdone and definitely need some more thinking because it's a very simple way and I think sometimes a bit too simple. I'm not quite poured through. So yeah, just get in there and try to find things to hide them in a less obvious or less shape-shift away jumping back a bit urban fantasy, and there's will try to connect to that have we mentioned at all world of Darkness or shatter on in that regard? Now I was going to bring up Shadowrun Shadow runs another prime example of mixing that stuff together. Yeah. It's like it's like a magic punk. I'm not an expert on world Darkness, but I've played and read through a few of their modules because they have modules you have different types of books where they do say setting vampires werewolves. There's regular humans, but essentially it's a world of Darkness orders a monsters exist, and they tend to blend it with people but some Our nefarious summer evil. They want to do harm While others just want to kind of exist. So it's very similar to my against appeal to me in similar to The Witcher thing where it's pretty gritty but at the handles it so that for example vampires and I think so the PHA can get high up until like society as either business Mongols or even celebrities because of their Supernatural powers, and I guess I'm trying to think of that as a contrast to bride of Things would be different when you have these different creatures with different capabilities from humans trying to blend in to what we expect to society and shouldn't be the same and that was why I was thinking like technically things are still the same but they have a reasoning for why it is in world of Darkness. It's the apparent versus the unapparent. The Unseen World is the whole thing about world of Darkness. It's the world in darkness and that's different too bright where it is an apparent world where elves Orcs And centaurs and dragons and all. Of it are apparent they're out in the world and they have been known to be they interact regular Society in their true form. Whereas with someone like World of Darkness. You have werewolves who keep them their true selves hidden and vampires who must keep to the masquerade or be put to death the Masquerade being to never let humans know and I think that this is the line when you're trying to use Fantastical beast in a modern setting and like we always go back to Harry Potter is a Unseen World The Wizarding World is a secret to most Bubbles, you have to have the line in a more modern setting you have to understand which side you want to stay on and the consequences. They're in a both of them. So I think from here we will move on. We talked a little bit about then urban fantasy, which is its own very specific need which is you want to evoke that sense of these stories that we have have some basis in reality, but that's not everything there are there are so there are other different ways to use these beasts in different for different purposes. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you can just place them for already discussed. Like are they good or evil or or how do Readers or players encounter them in the first place. Like where are the touch points? Basically exactly. It's from there that we have the idea of using these Fantastical beasts in The Narrative of your story of you're setting your game. Whatever. It may be every time you world build to keep a cohesive. You usually have an idea of something going on, even if it's just the one interaction so thinking of how to use these beasts In the narrative, I think there are a couple of ways to look at them. Are they allies or enemies of the characters or if the people in the area are they forces of nature they have evil of good or something else entirely. Do they have religious mythological symbolism and are they as we talked about earlier are they domesticated? Are they livestock or are they something else entirely? What do you guys think about the idea of blending them in with one of these tenants? I mean first of all that's necessary because otherwise he would have no use for them and also depends on how much of actual agency they have themselves. So especially if you want to place them anywhere on the good bed allies or enemy scale. There must be some sort of agency. I know for me, it's one of those things were having Them serve a narrative purpose where it is, you know good bad or neutral is probably the simplest way. You can Implement them making them the big bad of a story to get the protagonist to go from point A to point B is probably one of the easiest ways you can Implement to creature and that's not necessarily a bad thing that I don't know if this is the point you're trying to get into your not but to me that's that's one of the easiest ways to implement them. And because that's where we had this discussion earlier that's rooted in how we Stay in those creatures to from our experiences be naturally good or naturally evil and that ties into their agency. If it's if it's just a creature, sometimes we can paint them as as an obstacle not necessarily an evil. But an obstacle, you know, some giant creature that we have to get past that is just naturally predatorial but other times if there is agency involved in. Yeah, tying them to a good guy or a bad guy is kind of the easiest way to go. We see that with like wargs and and Lord of the Rings or any other the host of creatures. That sounds got it as fingertips. I think similarly love noting them as allies or enemies an enemy isn't just the ones that serve the dark lord. It could be. Oh, yeah something that just lives in the woods and it just it does not play nice never does. You can't negotiate with it? Yeah. I think this is also where the food chain comes in place basically again be a more in the direction of actual biology. I mean if it's a It's about basically just featuring human were and I think that but you know processes like livestock about essential then of course, it will be seen as an evil creature even though it's just existing and living its life just as everyone does. But of course then there are those creatures that are actively causing evil to cause evil. I don't know if this makes sense where it's more inherently evil. I think this is something that goes more in The Lord of the Rings Direction and I'm glad you brought up the food chain thing there too for just a second and someone can fact check me on this and editing. Hello. My name is Ivy. I'm one of the editors for World casting and I'm editing this. Episode and of course, I will be checking what he is about to say, but we had a we had an issue on creatures last year volume to that was just amazing. And if you have not read it, this is kind of my Shameless plug for world-building magazine. There are some excellent articles in there that can show you how to be considered of like the environment that these creatures would be existent in what it is that they would actually attack and things like Like that because that will help you figure out where to put it is that creature going to be used as livestock or is that a creature that if you met in the woods you learned from your youth to run away from the volume? He's referring to is called creatures monstrous magical and mundane. I also recommends, you know biological determinism from volume 3 issue 3 gender and relationships in addition. I recommend cave formations the natural and Supernatural from volume. She poured geography and lastly. I also recommend artists showcase Eric reinert with his fellow writer lays Jones from volume 3 Issue 5 economics. Enjoy the rest of the podcast and adding notes like this to your world building just kind of give it this depth to it. It's like little pockets that just feel like yes. This is in this world would know this they were talk about this. Yeah, and it's easy. It's just thinking of something small about it like like just so if they see a wendigo they know to just run as fast as they can and make bird noises because it doesn't like that or something like that. It doesn't have to be true. It just is a fact about it that people would know the character believes rather that mythology. Yeah suggested to them, which is also an interesting thing to play around with is what information do human characters have about these creatures and that's not always true. We you know, we have misinformation about bears those As terrible bears that characterize the Americas the thing about that for any creature that you're putting in as well. And yeah, you gotta creatures are kind of tricky. I know we've talked about not having to get too complicated with them. But sometimes you do have to make sure again if they fit in this is will probably one of the key things that I'm glad that we're touching on. It is finding a place for it. If it's not ecologically it is narratively having a place in your world because if you miss out on both of those things, I'm not going to lie. It feels just like a thing that's been tacked on there and you're like, what is this doesn't Serve any purpose and it just looks weird. I'm going to get a ton of flack for this but for me, it most creatures in avatar. The Last Airbender are just tacked on they serve like no purpose. You know, you got Abu though who, you know helps them get from point A to point B, but like I don't know a lot of the creatures in in avatar The Lesson or better feel to me like they just don't belong and they're there to be a fun set dressing and to to me personally again people are going to argue with me on this this point, but to me, they just it actually makes the story and stuff that I suffered to see those there in my opinion. I like the Bison. I think it was nothing man. I think the Bison was the most well done in that that should say something but just that I think that's because also because we've had the most time with the air bison so it's like oh finally figure out what the heck this thing is or some sort of lure to it. Was it like a cool? It felt like a like a gimme like this habit. I could have gone without the other ones just because it felt like yeah, like I agree with red there. It felt added on to make it. I'm like, it's consistent with what they did with the Bison one of the things I think that annoys me most though, and I had actually you can I've got people who can fact check this for you. I legitimately held at the screen because they have regular bears but there are other creatures that are mixture of two two different kinds of creatures. So you've got a Flying Bison for instance and you're like, well, hold on a second here are all the creatures of pairing of creatures or are they not and if so, how does anyone know what a regular? Sin is like in order to make that pairing apparent in the name. Hello your handy-dandy editor here again to fact-check for you. The bear that he's referring to is the earth king spare and although it does not really make sense for there to be a single bear when there are hybrid creatures in the rest of the series. This particular bear is actually strange in the context of the world keeping it consistent with our understanding of their world and you can see this in season 2 episode 14 of avatar Last Airbender you can make from that what you will this is there are so many Way more questions and then they mean is the name is the one thing that annoys me the most. I think it's so annoying. I think I kind of go with the combining two animals thing in a somewhat Wiki way. I mean look at the Platypus for example by I don't know it's just the naming of makes it so artificial because it's thoroughly most cases just name of one animal and then the name of the other anymore and that's it. That's about it. And that's usually not how your name animals. I mean, we do have different names for them in the German version and the German up but they basically work the same and this is not how you make animal name. I think this is also something that you can have a interesting or even just wacky animal. If the name is just so obviously taken from real world without actually a naming process that makes sense within this world, but it's just not going to be a right other Marine in general. We just have like things platypus for example, its novelty. It's basically just big animal it's easy as bad, but they didn't do something in this direction at all. And I think this is something that makes me so So mad, I mean it's such a great show, but this is something like it's very easy and no they didn't do it. On naming. However, I really appreciate when worldbuilders and worlds go to that effort to give that spin to name have their own naming system or nomenclature and stick with it because it makes it feel like there's definitely more thought upon into it. I can definitely get behind that and I would have loved to see more of that simultaneously. I kind of want not kind of I want to agree that there is a place for doing what they did. Did where it's just combining names because there is an audience and depending on your medium. You don't always have the time and necessarily the only way to justify what this is called X or this is called X. Sometimes you just got to get to the point and a very obvious name might be the best way to do that especially depending on your audience. So for example, like air bison is bison the air makes sense. Okay. I'm cool with that as a viewer. Cool with that and we can get to other parts of the narrative or read or seen you in action rather than trying to figure out why it's called something more World apropos. For example, everybody. Some is very still the best naming the whole show. I think there was one animal that was just called old cat or cat or I'm not sure in which order but it's basically just an old cat like yeah. It's a combination. I mean there you have to know what is a know. What is in cat? What is the catch and with there presumably don't exist in this world. Why do they call this way instead of like playing it a fly or a cat or whatever like something along the lines like maybe there is one animal that is kind of similar. But then I mean in German for example bet is Fleet. I'm also a basically flying House and things like this. Can I make it a bit different or feel more true to how we experience our world? And I mean, yes, it's a kids show basically or it was intended as this but I think this is like the teeny tiny patches that could make it more make it feel more real. You don't always have to do it. But like this is like the tiny things that that just make it more rounded if I'm a Readiness back in here a bit too trying to tie your creatures to your narrative is going to serve you a lot of a lot of really good points, especially if you're building for fiction, I think one of the most classic examples and probably the second most spoiled plot point on the internet after you know into Sixth Sense. The second was spoiled plot point on the Internet is got to be and I haven't even watched the show and I know enough about it. Is Nina from Fullmetal Alchemist? There is no upset about this but we got to talk about it is it is the perfect point though of making things and heck this ties in just the origin of a thing to to the plot making it plot relevant solidifies it with your readers. Like it's nobody's business is one of the best things you can do in order to solidify the creatures that you Make in the mind of your readers. I mean at the end of the day, you're not going to remember the creatures that weren't relevant to the story. It's just not going to happen. I mean if it wasn't for the fact that I was bringing up the fact that the test some of the animals and in avatar The Last Airbender most you probably wouldn't have thought to yourself. Oh, yes. I should probably talk about the cat owl from Avatar. It serves no point. And so it's just not something that sticks with your audience, but when you can find a way to You attach some and it doesn't have to be nearly as emotional as Nina's stories. But if you can find a way to attach it to the plot and make it relevant to your characters those creatures suddenly take on a totally different life of their own make them very solidified way that you couldn't do just look I think that is that is also just kind of a general World building principle is if you have a cool thing you want to show people make it relevant to to the characters that you're following. Otherwise, it's unlikely that we're going to Care. Yeah. Absolutely. You need to create those touch points like I mean if it's mentioned once though what it literally will not care. I think I hate it come up with it. But I think the creatures and Harry Potter. I mean, I don't think they are the best world-building wise but we remember them so vividly because they are actually very important to the plot is always something happening with them like because it's an English, right? Yeah, you're falling into the Trap that Twinkie is that Harry Potter is the exception to literally every World War II every time you have an episode. It's like you don't do this. We know Harry Potter does it but you don't do it and I think and I think the thing about Harry Potter also is that we are emotionally so Much attached to it like and I think this is also something that you always need to keep in. Okay, most people are most people are like you get into this world with such a sense of wonder and that you basically don't care if it works or not because it's not relevant to your emotions. And I think this is also something that we need to keep. In mind when we were both that we actually will build usually to tell a story or to make a game and that people even if they pretend to not be are emotional creatures. So those things white with us much more than a absolutely thought through perfectly evolutionary explained creature that serves no purpose that we never really get to experience and like I know there are a lot of little brothers love to just World build and do everything in the nitty-gritty details, but if you can't Implement them properly in the story, there's so much work that you just not going to see Exactly and it's comes back to tying them into what's going on. Good example sill Striders from Morrowind. No one cares about this giant creepy bug sure. It has a cool aesthetic and that's why you pay it five seconds of an ocean and it's the constant use of them that in grains them in your memory. There's no other time where it's relevant and that's just kind of odd bit of it is just interaction will create memory. If there is no interaction. You won't have memory and sometimes that's not always true. In the strenuous a random creature that just burns itself into someone's brain and they'll never forget it. You can't help so I think here we will wrap it up and I'll get some final thoughts from you guys. Creatures of cool use them connect them to the world both in terms of what causes them and how they affect the world's big ol cycle and I think that's what's fun. Yeah. I think if I attach points how used people to them and you can absolutely go work or just use what we have on Earth just make sure if you use creatures that they have value to your story or your game. And basically I found with them. I really like platypuses. Well, I agree with I thought you were gonna head there. Sometimes really ridiculous creatures do exist. They exist in real life. So when we're creating something for a world that doesn't exist. I think that's that's here this year free paths and really have fun with it. Like we have touched on countless times this discussion. Don't be afraid to to play with things stories that you've heard before. It's just the way that that's best stuff is made finding all the bits and pieces of stories and worlds that you have encountered that you love play with them mix them together find a way to make them work. You can come up with some really truly amazing creatures and surprisingly enough. You may not think about you could even come up with original creatures this way don't be afraid of imposter syndrome instead just focus on having fun World building things that you love the things that you're interested in. World-building should not be a droll. It should be exercising. You essentially playing God. So live it up a little make some make some really truly Fantastical creatures and it'll make your setting something that people will be talking about for some time. And finally I would just like to say remember to be consistent with what you create create something that you love and find creatures that speak to you because there's so many out there and if there isn't any makeup Finally, I'll leave you with a quote about the most infamous of dragons. The jewels and iron scales that cover me give me armor, like tenfold Shields. My teeth are swords. My claws are Spears the shock of my tale of Thunderbolt the clap of my wings a hurricane My Breath of Fire is death. You will understand that I am the great warm small.

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If you can donate a couple of Euro or as much as a couple If it is worthy cause and his amazing group of people, it would be much appreciated. So without further Ado. I hope you enjoy my conversation with the great Jack travel. All right jack cabinet, welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much. Sir, how are we and we're good. We're good. It's an absolute pleasure to have you on thank you. So Jack I first came across you couple of years back when I was scrolling on YouTube and I came across your tedx talk. And I was completely taken back by obviously the event that happened but more so your mindset around. How are you? How are you approaching life now? And I love the quote that you had at the very end. But just to give the listeners a bit of context what happened in 2012, and how was your life kind of unfolded from that moment? Yeah. So I really think that I was at a stage in my life and coming towards the end of my teenage. Here's where like everybody I'd pushed out against the limits of my own Comfort zones and my parents and my teachers and everybody else's on a gun through a phase of like really questioning and trying to figure out who I was and how I fit in in the world and I was starting to come up with some reasonably good answers and around that time. One of the biggest things that I was interested in was windsurfing and off for the summer. I would go down and work as an instructor. In the west of Ireland in a place called collage tishka. It's an Irish College down in demolished. And I remember on one of the first days down there that summer cycling off to the beach and I was one of those ideas scenes. Where as you look back down the beach the only Footprints in the Sand or your own and the sun was gently setting over the breaking waves, and I just can't myself in that moment to kind of just smiling. And I realized that I was really content with where I was with where I was going and the people that were around me and I was kind of comfortable myself in a way that I hadn't really been and at the end of this dot summer which was about 8 weeks later. I went away on a holiday with about six or seven of my best friends at Portugal on on that first day. Like I done all summer ran down the beach dived into the water. Or a wave not realizing just how shallow the water was and when I hit the bottom on my head collided with the sand and I broke my neck. And so that was very much a pivotal moment in my life. And I ran from this free independent young guy to really having the rug pulled out from me and Phaedra way and in many ways everything changed. I'm in other ways. Nothing changed at all but to give your listeners some context and now I am a wheelchair user and that is a small part of my identity. But I do use a wheelchair I have about 15% muscle function. So my shoulders biceps and wrists work. I don't have any hand function and I'm paralyzed from the armpits down. So I get around I use a manual wheelchair. I have as I just left it out in Alex's Hall here an electric bike that I clipped my chair that helps me get around outside. I drive I live a very expansive life and in all areas of my life, but it's been quite a journey from that moment on the beach that day and to where we are today, and it was just just like Either they and it was back in 2012 wasn't 2012. So I just turned 20 actually two weeks before that and is my man. It was a sand dune wasn't a rock was it? No, so it was the Sun Bank and the waves broke over the Sun Bank and when I dove over the wave there was basically just like a foot of water. So in that moment like I my head collides with the sand my whole body just goes limp. If you feel like the subtle click in the neck, I wasn't in pain was no pain no pain no pain just heat and my neck and but I was face down in the water and I could move so and luckily enough. I read on your website, or was it one of your blog's you have your like you're a trained lifeguard lifeguard? Yeah. Yeah, and so I had so much experience in the water from growing up. Healing and kayaking and windsurfing and all the rest of it thought I was actually remarkably calm and I just kind of had this moment nearly time kind of slows down a little bit and I was super aware of what was happening. I thought about my my family. Yeah. I was just going to ask you was it this did life flash before your eyes in a moment. Yeah, and it's funny I often use that phrase and and you only see it in a movie or whatever or hear about it. In other people's stories. But yeah, you kind of have that moment of realization of what are some of the more important things and I thought that the guys on the beach and God will they get me before I black out and and if they don't like what does that mean for them? How will they carry that going forward and luckily luckily not too long later Stephen, but his hand and under my shoulder and pulled me up and I said what are you playing at? And I said Steve. Look I hit my head think of damage my neck, and I can't move and he dropped me back in the water thinking I was joking apart as soon realized that I wasn't you won't let that one down here. I'm sure how did the red one. How was the rest of the day look like then? So yeah, the guys took me from the water laid me down on the sonde and like kind of an insult. Always chaos into it from there. Some of the guys run to get the help of lifeguards to get my my details that my passport things like that from the apartment. But at the same time some of the others just lay on the sun beside me normal conversation. You know, how do you normalize a scenario like that? And it wasn't long before an ambulance crew arrived and they strap. Hope they brought me to an ambulance and kind of add a point to fear really set in because the door is closed. They wouldn't let my mates come with me. And that was kind of the first time that I really felt kind of broken and alone and they brought me to a helipad and at that point I was knocked out or else I went unconscious. I don't really know but I woke up the following day. And my first memories are I was in intensive care at that point. My first memories are counting the eight screws in the light fitting above my head kind of delirious. Then I became aware of a metal cage around my head tubes going in my nose and down my throat keep my vitals going keep me fed and unbreathing because I couldn't breathe for myself and and Point I remember not too long afterwards Gareth one of the guys walking around the bottom of my bed and I was greeted by this smiling but tear-filled face and I couldn't speak but I'm a loaded the words. It's going to be okay, and that was really my first decision. It was an age response on and it's kind of record now to the way you're living your life at the moment, I believe because I remember watching that tedx talk a couple. Couple years back and just as I said before, I was kind of taken back by your whole response on what happened and how you're dealing with life. Now. I need your full of life and your approach to it and how you responded to what a lot of people would say is a you know to catastrophic it accent. And so going back to then your time in the hospital. What what what injuries actually did you have and exactly and So very simply I damaged my neck and I broke the fifth vertebrae down in my neck. And essentially what happened was when I hit the sand the one above it and below it pushed it in and it cracked in half and I pushed in on my spinal cord and unlike other parts of your body. Your spinal cord has a very weak paucity to Regenerate itself. And so basically, I just have Scar Tissue going across my spinal cord and at the C5 level we're just stopping the messages coming down. Now the knock-on effects of that are pretty severe a bit of scar tissue in other parts of your body doesn't mean a whole lot but this is stopping some of the vital message is getting down and it's pretty remarkable. How resilient your body. How resilient your body can be in a scenario like that like and there's still the amazing things it can do and how it functions. So in the rehab what that really look like was my first job was to learn to breathe or made it to come off the ventilator and then it was to begin the Journey of learning to reuse this body that worked in a slightly different way and as Lee demanding as that was like it was much more of a mental challenge because once again I had to go back and answer a lot of the questions that I'd come up with good answers for as a teenager all over again and in doing that I questioned how I fundamentally change as a person and I realized that I was still the exact same person but - I just uncovered different parts of myself on and I think that sounds true for anybody. When either you face a big challenge or you take on a big challenge you realize that you're capable of more than you ever imagined possible and that you've got reserves and capacity and to rise that you you never previously envisaged. So yeah, that's that same a big thing. You are fearless like a child. I love it. Yeah, so I shared this story about either as a child. That we were told in Primary School the following week. We could bring our bikes in on at that stage. I was riding the bike with my stabilizers and over that weekend. I spend every waking hour or minute and practicing on my bike and we got down to one stabilizer and by Monday morning I was going in with no stabilizers on the bike and I The tide talk I think by by saying what people didn't recognize when I had this injury was that there still that little kid inside me. I wanted to cycle without my stabilizers and that was kind of a bigger metaphor for my life and and you can see it now. I mean, you're you're full of life and I meant it today big smile on your face. You couldn't stop smiling. You know, you could meet somebody on the street your mates and they could be in a bad mood. But I just love that energy out of it. It's fantastic and I saw in your speeches and and your talks and your other videos that you're doing. So what what what I'm trying to work what makes you how do you keep that positive mindset or what? We what we are techniques I suppose when you are going through. Okay. Let me rewind maybe back to the time. Did there's a five stages of grief? I don't know if you maybe did you go through those stages? Yes. I'm so happy you brought that up because I was going to call you out on the positive mindset. I very much I would phrase my mindset as being an optimistic realist. Okay, so what I mean by that is Look, I recognize that we all face challenge Strife adversity tough times times where things do not go as we would like but I'm also an optimist in the way that I look at that because I also see the possibility and the opportunity and the magic that lies in people and the world and so with that as I went through the years. Early years after my injury. I had seven years this year actually since it happened on those early years were very much. I was grieving as you do after any kind of trauma or any kind of sense of a loss and you have to grieve for the life. That was so that you can live the life that is and if you don't grieve for a properly you get caught in the loop of of being stuck in the past of trying to in some way bring that into the present and and failing to acknowledge that that reality is a little bit different than that now, but I had to I had to go through that trauma on grieving process and there's five stages as you said and you can feel them over the course of a couple of months or a year or years and then at different times you feel all of them. Within space for a couple of hours and gradually though and last stage is as you go through the bargaining and I'm so on you gradually come to some sort of acceptance, but that really only happens after you go to the depths and the darker places and I very much did that I really remember the summer that so it would have been coming. A up on a year after the injury and I spent seven months in a hospital and I came home. I moved back out into the countryside a lot of my friends at that stage. We're going the way on Jay ones and I was in that Loop of comparing my life as it should have been based on my expectations to where to where it actually was and I always Caught In the comparison Loop of looking at the things that my friends were doing and should have been doing And they should not put their lives on hold in any way for me compared to where I was on that was so jarring. I felt like my freedom had been ripped away from me and such a big big way. I was still really come to terms with things and figuring out everything but I really had to sit with that reality of how things actually were and when I did that I went pretty deep into a dark place under was days and weeks at a time where I couldn't speak to people but more so I wouldn't make eye contact because I just really didn't want people to see the that deep existential angst that I was experiencing and it was that raw heartfelt pain the groveling feeling that numbness that you just can't really put words. Jean and gradually I started to come through it. And the reason that I believe I came through it so well and and look it's a cycle and you peel back the layers and I'm and over time you think you've dealt with things and just as you're getting to a great place, the rug is pulled out again, and you peel back another layer of fur, and it's that ongoing willing. Yes, God is so important to explore yourself and the depths of yourself because the deeper you go and in One Direction, it gives you the capacity to go hire black open the other direction. I really think it's like a heart rate monitor. You have to experience the highs and the lows as you go along and that's what teaches you are alive. And if you don't go low, you don't have the perspective of what it means to really understand what it is to be high. And so over time and I started to come out of it and really I believe that what pulled me out of it was this bigger Vision that I had and you mentioned it earlier and when I was in rehab I decided that I needed a bigger Vision. I need to be inspired by a bigger vision and if you just think for a second about what the word inspire means it means to breathe in and And so this vision would become the Breath of Life for me in some ways. That would it would be my Heir or my sustenance or oxygen when things got off. I'm the inspiration Came From the Inside Out I suppose on at that time as I was Learning To Breathe and rehab that Vision became to get back to college the following year which was a mountain to climb, you know at that time. But 13 months later, I found myself living away from home and back in college. That's unbelievable man. Mmm. I'm look to the outside world that look like a massive success story. Well, it is absolutely is. Yeah, but I mean to have that Vision. Yeah it extremely I think it's an extremely strong mindset to and I suppose it goes back to the going back to the importance of having that vision and having that those future goals because we Something to reach towards then we're not really moving in the right direction at all. But I do I do think it's important to say like at that time. It was I was barely surviving like I got back to college and at that stage. I hadn't figured anything out and it was taking me three hours and the assistance of two people to get up in the morning. Yeah hours DM. Well three hours to go through the bits and pieces that I needed to do. do the added bits and pieces and like I'd be so exhausted by lunchtime that I would just fall asleep and a table somewhere because I was too tired to physically go through the act of getting into bed and like that's kind of level that we were at that stage and but I knew the biggest reasons I went back to college was by putting myself in that stretching environment and so not in the comfort zone but in the stretch Zone and being Surrounded by by environmental cues, like friends and academics things. I would stimulate me and support me that I had a lot of those sort of points of connection that I was missing and otherwise on they would be my buffers as I sort of struggle true, but I was also studying Pharmacy which is pretty intense degree and I knew and that as part of this bigger Vision, I'm just for sheer day-to-day practicality that I couldn't like continue to have a rate regime where it took me three hours to get up in the morning. And so all of those things kind of got me to a point where I started to look at habits and routines and different approaches to thinking and things like that. And for example now I have my routine down to like just over an hour and Look, I still need a bit of assistance in the morning getting open but together to get up and ready for the day, but that's a mammoth difference and it means that my spinal cord injury now as a very the way I've set myself up as like quite a small impact on my day and how I live my life. I loved your whole metaphor or analogy of to move forward. You have to kind of deal with your past and step into the the that darker unknown place. And the next question. I was going to ask you was from moving. This say those five stages of grief from denial to acceptance between those. What did you gravitate towards? Was there any pillars did you move? What what did you need is a human being in the in that state. Did you find yourself picking up new? Viewers new habits and was a connections with people. I suppose an emotional level. Also, I think a big thing that you need. Well look you you named one of them there is is a willingness to unwillingness and an environment where you feel safe enough to be vulnerable. I'd look every part of me was vulnerable. I thought stage it was kind of undeniable but but that when you're ready or when you're given the gentle push that you you can express some of what you're going through and some of that emotion is one thing but a big thing that I needed at that stage was it was hope like some sort of role model dot that I could hold onto and I think for all the negative things about the internet and and so on door Let's go to bed it on one of the things for me was that it allowed me to seek out these role models that that gave me hope at that time. So I was pretty bullish actually about finding people online that were were in similar scenarios to me or had been through like massive adversity in their lives and had come out and they weren't just surviving but like they were really thriving in a way that was meaningful for them. And I saw those people out and I and I approached them and got to know these people and I learn from them and I read their books and I watch their movies and they gave me a part forward when when times were really challenging. So so that was a huge thing was like I needed to have The Hope dot was I had this bigger Vision I needed some form of evidence to keep that candle of Hope alive that long it can be done it can be done. Yeah. So Jack, how did how did you end up studying life coaching? Yeah. So this is something that evolved over a couple of years. I as I sought out role models and people to instill up and Hope to me and back into my life. I started gravitating towards people that were coaches and speakers as well as other role models and From them I learned a huge amount but I also said wow, isn't it incredible that they have the capacity to to help shift. Someone's perspective to instill something in that person that they might have needed at that time to reshape their mindset and to help them to move towards something that's more meaningful to them and It was also all the stuff that I needed at that time. I started reading their books like devouring and their podcasts and videos on YouTube on it was a world that I was spending more and more time and yeah more and more time throwing myself into and I wanted to be that person for someone else. I So felt that I huge amount of things that I could give and share and I really want to do that. And so over time I explored different areas. I was reading an awful lot of psychology. I was reading an awful lot of personal development at work and really a lot of work about just human human existence and performance and things like that. And I'm the natural fit was for me to go and train absolutely zero region. You can add so much value to my mean what you've gone through is just it's It it's funny how things work out. I suppose isn't it? It's like sometimes the worst of the worst things that can happen can lead to different paths and to help and you can help people go if they're going through the same Journey, whatever it might be if it's more of like a mental side of it or psychology side to it or if it's any tough situations or times they're going through. I mean, you've kind of gone through it all in terms of mentally and physically and I love your I love Your your tagline on Instagram and it is what is it again? It's something about helping people bring out the magic within themselves. Yeah, I got it bro how people bring their magic the door of that's it. That's the one. Yeah. I really believe that everybody has their own unique talents skills and ways of showing up in the world and I'm all of these things that make them entirely unique. Totally different anybody else on you can brand all of that together as that individuals magic and in my eyes anyway, when it's when they're expressing themselves and showing up as who they are for the world for themselves, you know in the world for themselves. They're going to be performing at their best and helping people. It's a top into that is is key. And there's this idea that every person is both a masterpiece under work in progress at the exact same time on I really love that because for me it's like when you're born the odds of you being born are one in four hundred trillion, which one in four hundred trillion, like it's insane. Like there's clearly a reason that each person was here. Like there's a reason that that sperm won the race that you know what I mean? Um, And yeah, everybody has their own unique values unique strengths interests, and I'm from from the moment. You're born then you're the world start stopping away. I thought you know and chipping away and you become socially conditioned and on so on and so much of society takes us away from our Essence and really I'm about helping people to get back to their sort of truest core and And helping them to bring that to the world more often because like you think why would you think people aren't being their authentic selves as you would call it and he spoke about that before but yeah. Well a lot of this is about authenticity and and that's hard because it requires vulnerability. It requires bravery to begin and then courage to continue. It requires stepping over the line of fear repeatedly. there's so many elements that that are there and there's there's belief systems and stories that we tell ourselves and get told that we can are conditioned by life events, like things things that happen to us when we were younger when we were powerless that then go on and shape us and we tell ourselves well as a child the story that gives us some sort of control is O it Just be me or it's my fault or I'm a bad person or I'm not good enough and these kind of things go on and they have such destructive force in our lives that that it's only when we really start to peel back this on explore these things that we see how they how they infiltrated every part of our lives and and like it shows up as pain and people don't like to experience that discomfort. Effort and so you you find that people try to numb that pain in different ways, whether it be repeated dopamine hits that they get off Instagram whether it be going for the one or two drinks on a weekend and find in yourself and absolute Heap whether it is been watching porn whether it's like going from relationship to relationship. These are all ways of like nomming and taking yourself. From yourself whereas a big part of this and look we already touched it. It's like it's coming to terms with its grief. It's coming to terms and sitting what yourself and long enough to feel that discomfort. And as you do you can start start the process some of it and when you do you just realize I don't have to buy into this I can be free and I know you're big into Peter crown and he speaks a lot about this kind of stuff. Yeah, I only recently kind of came across from and yeas. I love his work. Yeah so far. Anyway, it's very powerful. Mmm, and that's kind of he's kind of like tipping into the clinical hypnotherapy that kind of work like diving back into your past and kind of restructuring stories and reframing different scenarios in your brain that Label us as people are your own identity you form your own identity of what has happened in the past. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Tony Robbins would say one of the strongest human desires or needs is to remain consistent with your identity. So if your identity is that you are a high achiever. I'm things start to go subtle things start to go wrong in your life. Like it's little stress yet. It's not long before Stress and Anxiety and And and the Whirlwind that that surrounds all of that and just slow spiral downwards and like I I think a lot of the work for example that Peter Crown does and it's fascinating is he sort of liberates people from the cages that they put themselves in from the past so that they can exist more in the present and they're not so worried. Like they they know that they have the capacity to deal with what's coming in the future. Yeah, like I started studying a little bit of NLP and it's a lot of it is ya know. Linguistic programming it's your inner critic your inner voice what language you're using on your self describing yourself and it forms this it surrounds you in this kind of box that you can stretch out of because your youth in a way to find yourself as a person and it's the language you use is that it's also the people we hang out with the beliefs that we have. It's the stories we create and I think as you know as we started we bought Studied life coaching and we were at the Art Institute wasn't it? Hmm Isaac Kingston College. Yeah, but I think it's kind of breaking down those barriers and letting showing people what they can achieve what they can bring to the world. What what what can they break out over their own beliefs and barriers and I think it's a really valuable valuable thing to offer what you're doing and and you've you have gone through a huge amount of of ups and downs as you say That you can now offer that to people and whatever struggles are going through. I think it's so totally taking people away from this like a fear-based judgment way of looking at the world where where everybody's looking at me while really they're not like people are so preoccupied with their own lives that they're not I'm helping you helping anybody to maybe reframe the way they see the world and interact with the in a more open and abundant. Way and that might sound a bit woot some people but really it's about an openness. And again, this phrase will will seem a bit whoa, but like it's coming from a place of Love rather than place of fear, and you can name that anyway that you want but like that's a primal like energy vibration in terms of how you show up. This is how people pick pick you up you said when when we met at like straightaway, you picked up all my energy and my smile Well, like as I go around the place and if I'm coming from that kind of a place that's what's reflected back to me. Like when I smile at the person who's handing me a coffee from behind the counter like she's smiling back at me, you know, if I give her a negative energy like it's far easier for her to give me that back as well. And so really we create the world that he existed. And it's hard. I'd like that a lot of responsibility comes with that when you realize that when you get those new insights in that level of awareness, it comes with sort of a level of responsibility because you actually realize well as an adult I'm in control of this but also coming from a place of more openness rather than a fear-based place like allows you to exist more in the present. It relieves you from worrying so much about the future because you know, like when that happens. I will actually be able to manage with that like as a kid. He developed all these amazing skills you like as a child. You naturally have growth mindset you are open. You're curious. You're resilient you're persistent your, you know, when to rest you're emotionally open and available and emotionally honest, you're completely authentic and every way and really big one is fearless. Yeah, and I'd like Understandably kids need to be taught healthy boundaries and things like that around around that like a Fearless mentality. They just don't yeah. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, it serves a purpose to a point but like healthy boundaries. Yeah, but like when we start realizing that actually if you've made it this far you can handle nearly anything and on you don't have to handle it all at once. It's like the more you stay present in the moment. The more capable you are of responding well and like like they say how you respond and act and and your daily habits today predict your future and if you're coming from a place of like compassion and gratitude and being more open and loving for yourself and others like that paint pretty nice picture of a future for you. Yeah. Yeah. It kind of has a future path to care of something that that you can go towards. I am talking about being in the present just going back to Peter Crone until there's a great quote. He had is is like when we're living in the mind or living in either in the past or the future. And when you're living in the present your you're putting your your attention to your surroundings and your senses here. Do you think in this day and age? There's a 19 it's it's people are living in their heads and awful lot. If we to go by that matter for what what techniques are when you when you were going through that moment when you were going through that period How did you stay in the present moment? How did you not dive into your head and think about the past or the future? Was there any techniques or tips that you could give to the audience and how you stayed in the present moment and he focused on the nail? Yeah. Well, oh this is like a journey that goes on and on and on when I'm speaking about for example with teams and things about well being one of the biggest things is I talked about like the level of stimulation that we all get and Particularly from online environments like we're just being bombarded all of the time. So one of the biggest hair practices for me to develop was to learn how to quieten my mind and when you do that, you're bringing yourself more into the present so that began with journaling. Now, what is journaling journaling is simply asking yourself questions and taking the time to answer them. It's pretty simple. So the big thing and gouging Yeah, but it's like we know we know all the people around us on the celebrities online and the people we follow on Instagram far more than we ever know ourselves on you sit down and you start asking yourself these questions you realize some amazing things about yourself some hard things and things get revealed pretty quickly Journal journaling was amazing for me because it helped me too. Start to put together the pieces of the puzzle and what were my trigger is what were the things that that were beneficial or or or not in my life? And I'm as time went on I got to know myself better that level of self-awareness is something that it just expands and expands and there's always new layers to it. But I without doing the work you don't get any of the benefits. So journaling was the first thing and I have I am like a diary / Journal like a physical one on one that I keep on Evernote on my phone and laptop and I can access that anywhere anytime and that will be like a depository for ideas or for answering questions or things like that. And the second thing that I did was I started to do and breathing exercises. And I know you recently had someone on speaking about breath work, but breath work is like the Step towards meditation from my point of view anyway, and meditation can seem very out there and hard to to Grapple with and it is a practice. It's something that you develop over time, but for me breath work and just focusing on my breath was a real way of like centering myself and taking myself out of my head and into my body and all that kind of work. And I mean, it's very much present focused as well, which I loved. I'm then deterred piece that really helped me to sort of quite my mind not even quite my mind, but just to develop. An awareness on to watch my mind. That's very good point. Yeah, I point I think was making aware being aware of your thoughts more. So yeah, like I read you ever might read a book Michael a singers unfettered. So I'm halfway through its great book, isn't it? Yeah, I gave it to my friends recently and Yeah, it's the best book. I've honestly I know this might sound cheesy Earthly Shay, but it's the best book I've ever read. Oh, yeah personal development herb mindset book I've ever read the first four chapters. I read them three times like before I moved on I'm like this. This is said so simply put it's so simple, but it is blowing my mind. It's amazing. It's absolutely amazed. And And he as he said he simplifies it like it and to a point where you're like, Wow, this is this is so easy. How did I never noticed before and it's in this an Incredible Book? Yeah, but when we recognize that like God mind chatter that's going on is not us. It's it's it's a conversation that's happening all the time in inside of you. It's not actually you that it's an incredible book. But um, but when you run you start to realize that and you can just watch this, Conversation that's happening in your mind you realize that we're all a little bit nuts and it's a much more leveling feeling and wave operating in the world. Yeah. I actually got in the audio book as well. So he listened to in the cap I need but you know, it's that's that's something that's really changed my life and it was my fiancé's mother who gave it to me. It's just changed my life completely. Yeah, it is one of those it's a practice more so you can't just read the book. I don't think and then just know what for life you kind of have to go back to it and read it again and our degree and my uncle was the person that told me about it and he said that he leaves and on this kitchen table and like every week you'll just open a new chapter and he's been doing that for years, you know. Yeah, it is great. It is great another book that was wonderful for me was It's called fear by take knock on. He's a Buddhist monk on it's about it's about letting go of fear and it's about that the present moment. The Green platform was was one that really shaped me. So written by an Irish guy called Declan coil and if essentially says that like we can frame any event in our lives on either green or a red platform. The event is just an event. It's neither good or bad. It's how we perceive it that makes it so absolutely perception. Yeah, it's a big thing Mmm Yeah. I think I heard an amazing things said by Seth Godin recently. He said a book is the best value you will get anywhere in the world because here is a piece of work that somebody has poured 6 months to a number between six months or number of years. And two, you can buy it for what 10 15 Euro. Yeah, and if you gain like two Pearls of Wisdom from that person's experience or what they have to say ducking entirely reshape your life. So I wanted to bring up a recent post actually with your XO robot that looked at looks great. Looks is it something that you have at home or is it so for? XD the ekso bionics robot. It's it's kind of like the future now. It's it's in the exoskeleton that dot was designed originally actually for soldiers to be able to carry more weight without putting extra strain on themselves. And then they realized it was Tara periodic applications for this and so they redesigned so that it can help people for example with spinal cord injuries or other neurological issues or things. Like Ms. Or stroke or things like that to and to train to walk to relearn and the movement patterns and things like that with you with robot assistance. And who is this a who's has developed by your made by this? So it's by the company is called ekso bionics and they're based in San Francisco and California. Let's so so it's been on the market for maybe a 10 years now in in teasing Lee Advanced forms, but and I've used this since oh 2013 I had access at different points to get to work. But now they've got a program based in DCU and in in Dublin and they're they're training people and I'm doing research at the same time. So it's brilliant. There's like a full-time. There's one full-time in Dublin know that we can get access to and Yeah, I need to be psychologically. It's as good as real as it is for the body, you know, well, it's amazing. And is it is it like a paid service or is it is it supplied by DCU? So at the moment because they're doing research it's fully funded. Okay, which is phenomenal and the idea is that it will under the fully trained and physio round and Langan is his name he was The rehab for a long time he was a senior physio injury up on now, he's dedicated himself to this and so it will get to the point where he will be training people and up and you can come in and maybe use the second robot ideally on paper session but and for the initial phase while they're doing research it's free, which is pretty incredible amazing. That's great. It's a great service, isn't it? Incredible? Yeah unblock people are supposed to be up and walking. Ting it's common sense. It's only going to do good things for people will this help your movement in any way or is this so I can frame it for you this way? I'm at the moment. I have what's known as a complete spinal injury. So that means that there's minimal message is getting through my spinal cord other people will have what's called an incomplete incomplete spinal injury, which means that there is Residual and movement and that they can control and it's particularly beneficial for people like that because they can build that level of control but there's a turd and school of thought which is around neuroplasticity. And this is the idea that just like the brain can learn and develop and reshape based on the environmental cues that gets I'm training data gets soaked on the spinal. Board and body people know that that makes sense in relation to if you go to the gym and you stretch your body it responds by getting stronger and and you train over time and your body adapts. Well, the thinking is is the same with spinal cord that the more you train over time new Pathways form and you strengthen those Pathways. So for example, I have my level of sensation changes and things like that after I've been walking So yeah, it's really interesting. Yeah, and what just different parts of your body or do you have like God I I particularly have increased and awareness in different parts of my legs and things like that. That's amazing. So it look for the benefits. We're going to keep doing it. Yeah for sure absolute. That's that's great. So I wanted to just finish up because I know working tight for time. So thanks very much for calling. I really I ate it and I hope the listeners are able to get some value from it. Of course they will but I wanted to finish up on what advice if you to give three tips on how to get through a tough time. What tips would you give so I have three my three biggest lessons that I that I share in some of my talks. I'm the first one is everybody has their shit. It's just boxed in different ways. So going down the street my challenge or my my shit is very obvious. But what I can't see is that like Mary from across the road struggling with anxiety and barely got out the door that day that Joe bloggs is financially struggling that not a person's parent was As with condition or they've lost someone they loved the list goes on and on and on someone's struggling with their sexuality. Whatever it is, everybody has their challenge their adversity their shit. It's going to hit at some stage and nobody gets away and it's all relative as well based on your life exposure. So that puts everyone on a very Level Playing Field actually 'and it's for me when I kind of came to terms with that it gave me a lot of Solace when I was going through more challenging times. So that's the first one the second thing is the Power of Choice that over time the choices we make dictate whether we survive or we thrive in our lives and I mean small choices that we make day in day out so saying yes or no saying I can't or I can't I will try or I won't and they're the small decisions we make As to how we start our day how we interact with people how we talk to ourselves. When we look in the mirror. These are the little things that compound over time to shape your vision of yourself your world that create your world and that really dictate how you're going to show up for yourself and everyone around you and in a relatively short space of time your life can go from a place where the stroke Google is very real to where you are creating things that you could have only dreamed of and I'm seeing life in a very different Manner and so that would be the second thing. Is that the power of your choices? is really yeah not to be taken for granted the third and probably the most important thing comes back to the whole idea of magic is that each one of us is entirely unique and this lesson is essentially impress yourself. We're doing a disservice to ourselves if we compare ourselves to anybody else. Everyone is on such an individual journey and . That idea Dot may be the only person we should compare ourselves to is who we were yesterday is something that I found really beneficial. It's often said comparison is the thief of joy and I really do think it's true and I'll finish maybe with with something that I wrote at a time in my journal when I was having a bit of an existential crisis, and I was really grappling with what it means to be. To be human and to live well, and so I don't what I wrote is there is no right or wrong path just a series of events that gives us a flavor of what it is that either sets are hard to light or dampens are so what I do know to be true is that in life that is not always a smooth ride and a world that is more disillusioned disconnected and full of people wearing masks than ever before the bravest thing that any person can. Possibly do despite the challenges they may face is to bring their authentic selves to the world and that that is when the magic will happen. So really I I would wish people The Bravery to begin and the courage to continue in removing some of those masks on connecting with people and yourself more and slowly that sends of disillusionment worse. Start to dissipate but it takes courage to begin and our bravery to begin encouraged to continue while Jack that was inspiring to they'd at least without a doubt Jack cabinet. Thank you so much for coming out to the podcast. I really appreciate it. I am I hope you guys enjoyed listening to it and Jack just to finish off. Are you taking on anybody as anyone as clients or? At the moment. Are you where can they find you and online? Is it are you doing speeches and talks as well? So just yeah, so I'm doing a lot of speaking at the moment and I am taking on some new clients in the new year. So please do reach out if you're interested the best way to get me at the moment is on any of the online platforms Jack Cavanaugh IRL. It looks like Jack having a girl. When you write it all down but no sir. It's Jack Cavanaugh, Ireland as oh Jack have not IRL. You can shoot me an e-mail art. Hello - Jack - carbonite.com on my website stairs Well, Jack - Calvin a.com and it's being reconstructed at the moment actually, so bear with me but yeah and your sex change. Yes. Next year's the best luck with that. Thank you very much exciting times lat Good stuff happening. I look at thanks very much Jack and happy Christmas gift happy as the very Christmas to you. Okay. Thanks very much for watching. Bye. This is episode 0 or the introductory episode of the AC podcast. My name is Alex Collins and I am a life coach and advanced clinical hypnotherapist and in today's episode. I just wanted to give you a really quick summary on what you can expect from listening to the show. So first off in these podcasts, I will be having in-depth conversational. Use with athletes High performers psychologists entrepreneurs coaches trainers or just anybody who has an inspiring story to share. So in the process of speaking with these people I want to try and dissect and dig deeper into their philosophies their principles their beliefs and their mindset and trying to understand what makes them really Excel and drive forward in life. I want to try and learn as much as I possibly can for my guests and hopefully there will be some actionable takeaways that you can identify with and use in your own. In life if it's anywhere from strategies to tactics life hacks habits rituals or even some of the motivations that they have used. Now, there will be no real structure or timeframe and how frequent episodes will be released, but I will be sharing all the podcasts information on my social media platform. So please do check in on a sea life coach both on Instagram and Facebook episode 1 will be released next week and I have some amazing guests lined up over the next few weeks and few months. I'm really looking forward to this new podcast. And engaging with you all on different topics, and hopefully you can take some real value from it, or at least just leave it a curious or intriguing you thought so guys. Thanks for listening and until next time. Take care.

I have been dying to share this episode with you all because I truly think it’s gonna blow you away. Jack is one of the most uplifting and positive guys I have ever met in my entire life and I was completely taken aback by his story, his journey, and his outlook on life. His mindset alone will make you think twice about what small things we all worry about in our day to day lives. • In 2012 Jack suffered a life changing spinal cord injury which left him with only 15% muscle function. This ignited a passion to explore both his own and others’ potential. In the years since, he has become a noted life and performance coach, international speaker, and pharmacist, motivated to help others live more aligned, fulfilling lives. • He was included in a list of “50 Incredible People Who Are Shaping Modern Ireland” in 2017 and was awarded as one of "Ten Outstanding Young People of the Year" in 2019 as a dynamic individual who is doing inspirational work. • For this episode of the podcast, Jack and I are raising money for Spinal Injuries Ireland; please see the link in my bio where you can donate through the GoFundMe page. For the cost of a cup of coffee, you can help make a difference for victims of spinal injuries here in Ireland. • A special thank you to the sponsor of this podcast, @spoonful_botanical. Website: www.spoonfulbotanical.com

this episode of Molly's minutes is sponsored by depop depop is the Community Marketplace app where creatives come to buy sell and discover the most unique items from around the world for many of us including myself fashion is a form of expression a way to tell a story of who we are how we are feeling and what we stand for whether you want to shock Inspire Rebel or just experiment depop gives you the space to do just that without breaking the bank or the planet download the app for IOS and Android now or head to depop.com to get started. Hmm. Hello guys and welcome back to Molly's minutes, which is like the most awkward name I cringe every time I say it but here we are it's catchy. And so this is actually going to be pre-recording this this is going to be the final episode of my podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So this is the this is the scene season finale of the second season. I'm going to Write it up again. But and I thought I would end it how I want to start and go forward with the third season. I wanted to be educational and storytelling and because I've just kind of decided that that's where I'm best at. So hopefully that can go ahead all good. And but today I'm here with Alyssa. Hello, and we're going to be talking about something that like, I've tried to find someone to talk about this for so long. Long, but no, I'm not answer me answer me. Yeah, so we're going to be talking about polyamory and just generally relationships because it's not every like, I don't know that's what it's all about really isn't it? And so introduce yourself. So if you will I am Alyssa, I'm 21, and I have been like aware of polyamory since like My late teens maybe like 17 or so and I've like come to realize that I just don't really care for like the imposed system of monogamy. That means of course, we don't know what that means like one man and one woman in a relationship or as we've gotten more accepting of lgbtq individuals like T women to men whatever just to and commitment and exclusive and Fidelity and I'm not really about that and I've discovered that in my past few years. And what made you discover it that like, what was your journey with us? Um, I don't know like I kind of like I realized when I had my first relationship like most of my teenage years. I just really really really wanted a girlfriend. I came I pretty young and I just really wanted to date a girl and have like a girl to like, you know, like do all the nice relationship be things with and when that actually happened to me I was like completely overwhelmed and like I didn't feel like I was doing anything right and I like felt like I couldn't say things. Like one of the things that really like struck me about it was like you're not supposed to say that you fancy other people like when you're watching TV and you're like, oh they're really hot. Like my girlfriend at the time would be like, I can't believe you just said that that's like personally offensive to me and I was like, oh is this like a thing? I have to like suppress and myself now like I have to like say the right thing. Yeah and like just have thoughts and yeah, I was like, I just I don't get this and like just having like it was very demanding and I had to like See them pretty regularly and like I just I just felt really off about the whole thing. And I was just pretty happy when I was like done with and I was like, I think I need to just like realize like I was just trying to figure out like why it didn't work out or whatever and then when I came to college I was like, I think I just want to do like lots of people more so than like focus on just one person the whole time and because I feel like it's a bit limiting or something. Yeah, and when you when you're talking about that are you Men, like say like having like a long-distance like relationships with the few different people. We're like seeking that like in the long term. Yeah. Yeah for sure. Like I generally feel like long-distance relationships work kind of best for me as much as they're like difficult at times like right now. I'm in a long-term relationship with my boyfriend Adam who I will probably mention consistently because he's like a big part of my life and I love him. Hmm. Shout out to Adam listening you Yeah, so like I've been in a relationship with him for a year now and like we've never lived in the same vicinity of each other like we went on a big holiday together in that was like about it and like I just feel like I have more time for like myself and I feel like a lot of the time when you talk about polyamory people are like, how do you have the time? How do you have the time but at the same time when you have like a monogamous relationship you have to make time for your partner will people don't realize that you also have to make time with the relationship you have with yourself. Mmm, I'm like, you're still making time for more than one person because your whole life gone Center and one person or else it's like an unhealthy dependency, but it's nice to have like someone like I find with my long-distance relationship. My main one is that I'm like just happy that I have time to myself but then really grateful when I have time with him and you can just figure it out. Yeah go along exactly. It doesn't have to be like, oh, it's Tuesday. Got to see my significant other you for six hours. I don't know who I'm gonna we're talking about this before. Is that like This is what works for you. Yeah. Yeah, like I'm totally not speaking on behalf of like even like poly people in general. It's so so so diverse and like there's so many different like you're talking about that Louis through documentary and or was it in the vice documentary? I can't remember what it was like they were showing their in a class to exclude describing polyamory. And oh, yeah, that was the vice one. Yeah, the triangles and the like squares and her like they're all interrelated. And yeah, like I said shaped one where it's like three people but it's they're not connected or whatever. I'm like, I can't really like see that in my life with my poly friends and in myself either. I'm like, it's more like an individual at the center and then like branching off things from there and seeing how you feel and just like meeting new people and like getting to know them and not necessarily having like an expectation of you're going to be my third girlfriend. Yeah, whatever like that doesn't I mean like I'm struggling to find like one girlfriend. So like I really can't imagine having like three Awards and maybe I know I think as humans, I don't know if it's the way we were brought up or like our obsession with numbers are what it is or like structures that we like want to find a reasoning and a structure within everything that you do for sure. But like life I sound like such a But everyone knows this but life isn't I think that has structure? No, absolutely not. Like I'm all of her attempt as humans to Port like binaries and shoes on things is like totally just a waste of time and silly but it's just for ourselves. Yeah, it's not it's to make us feel safe and like yeah chiral but we don't have control over anything. Yeah. I just find that kind of I find that kind of I didn't know if it would be like weird of me to say I found that kind of strange when she was like If you haven't watched a guys it's actually a is I'd say it's like 50 minutes long. It's on YouTube and a documentary on YouTube by slut ever. Is that one slide ever on Yeah by Vice and basically they're in this poly. I would say I think it's like a panel. Yeah, and they're like drawing out these different shapes of had different ways. You can be polyamorous which I thought was kind of can't counter intuitive and productive to like a the message that all that they were putting a cross because it's like Like it's putting structure on something where it's like you're meant to be leaving room because if you start talking too much about your own experience in the place of other experiences, like it is a really really diverse like community and people like all have different relationships just her like relationships between any two individuals is like completely different depending on like the yeah Asians or whatever like even if you think about like a series of like monogamous relationships like you got different things and have like different. Experiences in each one so you can't like oversimplify the whole thing and it's like the last thing I would want to do like speaking is like make assumptions about other people or make like if you're listening to this and then finish it and we're like, oh I totally understand polyamory. Yeah. I can relate to any this is Julie. I'm we're cruising. This is literally just my experience. Yeah, like how I feel it suits me best but there's probably loads of people who have like six wives or like, you know, a boyfriend and a husband or like a girlfriend and a A wife or whatever but like it's just kind of hard to predict. Yeah, what's gonna happen or how it's going to go with anything? Yeah, you shouldn't go into anything that expectations is my like belief on it. Hmm. Definitely at there's actually some point I want to make just like before we move on. Is that like we talked about polyamory. We're not talking about like I think like polygamy is like, oh, yeah. Yeah. We're like marriage. Yeah, that's what marriage and like maybe if you have in your head of a man with like seven wives in Religious situation that's not what we're talking about. I mean, I hope that you would get that by now, but just in case but how did you kind of did you have to do you feel like you needed to come out as I am Polly owes? It would the next person you dated where you just like look I think this is the situation. Yeah. This is like, I've always liked being super upfront with people. That I'm dating for sure that I'm like, oh, I'm potty. I'm not really gonna be able to like if you're looking for someone who's going to be like your one and only or whatever like, you know, that's not me and if you want to keep getting to know me despite that or if you know or because of that or whatever like we can go ahead and no expectations. Just keep hanging out or whatever, but I've never really property like come out come out to like my family or friends like a lot of my friends kind of no because I have like a big mouth and I love just like telling Liberate my life on. Yeah, I'm like, oh, it's so full of Gossip. Everybody wants to hear all my like. Hey, I actually want to hear it anyway for like I haven't like because the default is monogamy. So people think like, oh my family have met my boyfriend and they all loved him. But like they have no awareness that like say I'm like going on dates with other people and if I did it start getting more serious with someone else like they wouldn't I don't know how I would like That to them where you say like, oh, by the way, I'm bringing my boyfriend for dinner. But is it cool if my girlfriend comes along to I like I don't know how it would work and I haven't like encounter that situation yet because it is like like bisexuality in a way. It's like unless it's immediately visual like visible people make the assumption that it's Like they make the assumption that what is immediately visible is what it is. So if they see like a bisexual person like a bisexual woman with a man, they assume like a straight couple or if they see a bisexual woman with a lesbian or with another woman, whatever they may be they assume like lesbian couple or whatever it goes on like so same of polyamory, like people see me and Adam are boyfriend girlfriend. And that's the assumption is that like that's it. But like unless you ask questions or like Take an interest in it. Then you probably won't know like anything further. But then at the same time do they really need to know or is it like my business? Exactly? Yeah. It's kind of hard though to know. Yeah for sure. A lot of the times people make the assumption that like if I try and talk to him about polyamory and like me dating other people or whatever like if I'm like maybe going on a date with someone new and I'm like, oh my God, I'm so excited for all of that. Like people think that it means that I want to like immediately go into loads of details about my sex life. Life and that's like not what I want to do. Well, even though of course it is good to talk about sex and we probably don't talk about sex half and half and that's also my belief. Yeah, but like if I'm just talking about something and I could totally innocent contacts. Yeah, that's 30 min that I want to like / share as for crazy details of like new fairies lifestyle choices or whatever like if you came across someone they're like, oh I'm just like ordering pizza with my boyfriend tonight. You wouldn't be like and then what are you going to do? The first assumption is like totally sexualize it when like more than anything else like for me. Anyway, it's about like just meeting new people and like being able to encounter people without like a predetermined expectation of your relationship to them and predetermined by the relationships that you have before that as well or at the same time as that. Yeah, if you get me yeah and how have you experienced dating since since you have been in a relationship? Ship of like one year like I don't know. I genuinely feel like the queer women Community is like something that's very Under represented but also like in general like it's so small and also hard to like getting two for a lot of people like there's I genuinely feel like there's an awful lot of bisexuals out there who are like in the closet and I think it's really funny when people do that like classic bisexual myth of saying like Oh by people are just saying there by for clarity of retention or whatever that's like such a thing and it's cool in school. Anyone who? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I like that's why I came out as a Being first is because I literally was like people I know that I'm into women and I knew that and I was like, but people won't take me seriously if I say, I'm bisexual. I knew that even when I was like 14 15, like mmm and like to this day I still like struggle with her to agree because people fully don't take it seriously at all. And like I feel like it's my duty to be like, hey, I'm here. I'm bisexual and there's nothing wrong with it and you don't have to like change your identity to fit like the relationship you're in because so many people do and I understand why they do it. but it makes like it makes it really difficult to date in the queer women seeing because there's so much gatekeeping where they think like, I was even reading an article the other day and they were saying like, oh, I support bisexuals bisexuals deserve respect and support except the ones who have Festival threesomes or a cheeky kiss with a girl on a night out and I'm like, okay, so you're still gatekeeping and you're still dismissing people because if a woman willing to do that, A certain context where she feels safe but isn't willing to do it in your LGBT seen dating scene that you've created whose fault is that hers or yours that you've created this like scene where she feels like uncomfortable in but also is there no room for just like experimentation. Yeah. Yeah, apparently not like that's the problem and so many by people at such like a silent thing for so many people so it's only really like the out and loud like gay men and lesbians who were like talking about it because Cuz like as soon as you come out as bisexual people totally dismiss it right away. And then if you end up in a relationship with one of the other eager to seem to be the other way and like that's what I was saying that bisexuals are doing it for cloud, but actually lesbians who have maybe had relationships with men in the past at times are maybe denying that part of themselves for clout instead or like people who are in straight relationships are like denying a past part of themselves. Like I was talking to a guy recently who was like I was trying to about We're because I just kind of read him as the hmm and he was like, oh, I'm actually straight and I was like, oh really? I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to make the Assumption and then he was like, oh, but I've been with men though, and I was like, then you're probably not just like if you have like thought to go into this like, you know experimentation or whatever like you're probably on the Spectrum somewhere and you don't have to like cut off that part of you to fit into a box that isn't you like yeah the box of bisexuality exists. What? It's so like stigmatized and nobody wants to actually identify as it out loud. I feel like nobody but I feel like as well with the like bisexual label like say for instance that guy like he might genuinely just want to get with women has like experimented but Experimentation and bisexuality you're so annoying to like put in the same kind of yaks because that's what people think. Yeah that bisexual people are doing. So that is like a huge sap. Yeah to well that's see it's hard. Like I can't really speak for people but I can I can imagine and from my friends experience. Yes, and I actually have a podcast that's called my before this now it hasn't while recording this but it will of and with A friend of mine who's bisexual at like about this kind of topic like being taken seriously Etc. But yeah, it's just like interesting. But like when you go on to say Tinder because you said you had to do that's awesome your experience being Poly on Tinder, like a lot of the times people really don't know what it is and everybody. Yeah, no for sure. Like I've been like texting people and I've been like oh by the way, like, I know I says it says it in my bio, but just so you know like I'm Polly and R like oh I know it says in your bio, but I don't know what the heck it ain't your name was poly ya ya don't like people a lot of people don't know what it means. And then like I said, it's like some girls where I've been like. Oh like I'm I have a boyfriend but like right now I'm only dating women because that's like where I want to put my energy or whatever because I already have one man's and I'm happy with that and they're like, whoa, that sounds like an ideal situation. How did you like sort that out? And I'm like just works like I'd it's not like a matter of like maybe lighting life to leave what it is because we all have control over our lives but it's not like some little like Lifehacker. Yeah. Here's something that only I can get away with like you can do it to anyone can do it if you want to but it's such a taboo thing that everyone's like, oh I have to do I have to do things this way or whatever and them they don't realize that there's like another option but then as well like the classic Tinder experience that every Queer woman on Tinder gasses like just constantly running into like Coppola cans I4 X which is tell me more about this because I'd heard of it like literally a few days ago and I was like what? Yeah, so like basically it's like a cool people who would like identify themselves as being like, This is the thing again. It's like dismissing a gatekeeping of bisexuality. So it's usually like a bisexual woman and a straight man and the straight man and they've just kind of decided like I want to find a woman and sometimes they're referred to as unicorns because they're so hard to find like the perfect woman who'll have a threesome with you and your boyfriend like obviously because he wants to have a threesome with you and you're like Melody boyfriend. Like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I feel bad Haiti, but like A lot of them are seriously. I'm like, I just I don't get it like and and there they've made their Tinder profile together female. Yeah. Yeah. So they've like entered their gender is female. So as to like one day out bisexual women who will like it fit their idea of a bisexual woman in their head and we're like fulfill their fantasy of a bisexual woman. Hmm But I like using their girlfriends Tinder account or whatever but like usually it's like the girls Tinder account. It like one picture of the man like tagged on the end maybe or like sometimes it just fully like doesn't say it at all and you're like five messages in with someone and they're like, oh by the way, I have a boyfriend. So would you be interested in meeting both of us for drinks or whatever and like okay. How's that different to potty? Yeah. Exactly. You see that's kind of what I do. But I'm yeah every like introduce like I would never be like, oh come on a date with me and my boyfriend specifically so we can so see you out with the intention of particular sex act and yeah because that is so presumptuous. So like route like I would much rather hang out with a girl by myself first and if I feel like she would get along with my boyfriend and she be comfortable with that then we can all hang out and yeah cool or like if she wants to hang out with just my boyfriend next time and not me like I don't care either. Yeah, like whatever but like it's just when you have like a specific thing in mind, it reduces everything down to like a purity sexual thing which isn't what it should be or what it is for me. Anyway. Yeah, and I like it's really frustrating. This is Is it something that we talked about earlier which I find really interesting. Is that like do you still think that there is there can be cheating in polyamorous relationships? Well, yeah. It's like it's kind of more about the like what's the issue is cheating for your polyamorous people is the the lying and the hiding rather than like the act itself. So like I couldn't care less if someone I was going out with would sleep with someone else as long as not even that they would have to tell me about it afterwards specifically, but if I They wouldn't lie to me about it or if I like like if I called up and I was like, oh so what are you up to for the weekend? Oh, nothing nothing like that sounds really sketchy and weird. Like you can just tell me that you're going on a date or whatever. I don't care or but like it is the hiding thing and like telling lies and keeping like have a like imagine finding like text on someone's phone or whatever. Like that's what I always hear from like monogamous people who catch their like boyfriend or husband or whatever cheating and they're like, oh my God, I found all these messages like hundreds of messages to this girl and I'm like that much actually be so heartbreaking and I totally get that because it's like they've established this relationship like completely with you and establishing boundaries. Yeah, exactly and you've liked it's just like it really does upset me and it said to me as well because people Who feel the need to cheat and to be with other people and to be non-monogamous like unethically as it were hmm, like I don't understand it because I'm like there is another way like you can just actually be honest. You can just talk about it and you can figure it out and if it's not what the other person wants and whatever but you can't like lie to people and say like, oh, I'm perfectly capable of being monogamous but keep like consistently cheating and screwing them over like I don't know yet is such a good point get it like I'm like if you Feel the need to go with other people then just be upfront about it like - actually like imagine so many. Girls on guys I actually I was about to say guys but actually a some of the worst cheaters. I know girls. Yeah, and I can imagine so many people being like Oh my God polyamorous like wash but there and they're like people who cheat all the time. Yeah. I'm just thinking about that. Like I've never actually made that connection because I've heard the term ethical non-monogamy. Yeah, but now thinking of like what I've never thought about on ethical Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, I'm like shaking my boots. I'm glad because it made that makes so much sense. Like if you can't sustain I don't want to tell people how to live their lives. But if you are hurting people, yeah unlike it then maybe it is maybe this is something like I think people people associate different relationships and I say different I mean different to the like societal I'm like when I agree people associate like different relationship Styles even like my dad lives in London and he commutes home and he has done for 25 years. And I people in my primary school used to be like, oh her parents are like they're not actually together. They just pretend to be together. So I would like isn't true. Yeah and I like even that like people were like, oh this is so yeah, it can't and it's literally the most anyway, but I feel like when people He like how do I say that's like say for polyamory when people here by polyamory, they don't actually think about it like the concept. Yeah, they just like dismisses straight away. And yeah, I probably done that in the past as well and like fair enough like even as like a bisexual person. I've like taught and felt some of like the most vicious lie biphobic things in the world and like I have like so much in trench like monogamous culture in my head that I have to like undo and same like when we're men we have to like basically like Unlearn hating ourselves like all the time. I'm like, it's the same with like just anything that deviates from the social Norm. You have to like spend all this time, like fighting back against like the whole oppressive environment. That's like the whole society being like no you have to do it this way where you don't like we're all just individuals and community in control of our whole life. Like my motto is like you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like why can't you yeah can just have your cake and eat it too. Yeah. I have to choose between anything. Yeah, even when I was a kid, I used to watch like rom-coms and stuff and I'd be like Why are the two guys fighting over the girl? Why can't they just like you've come up with some sort of a solution here? Like there's got to be like a solution. Why does she have to choose nearly? No. She she has to choose between her two loaves and I'm like why I couldn't like even as a kid, I was like does not compute like this is there's no reason for this. Yeah. Okay. Well, we're going to take a quick break and then we will come back. Thank you. We are back and we are actually just talking about How there's a lot of documentaries being made by polyamory and just like in general. I feel like relationships the moment new ways of living and even though they're not new ways. They're just like people are just being more open about it or because but we are saying that like a lot of these taught. How would you describe it what we're saying in a nutshell like basically that a lot of documentaries about this subject tend to make it a bit of a spectacle. Kle and make it seem a lot more extreme and crazy than it is for the purpose of entertainment, which is completely understandable because it's an entertaining medium and like I get that but it's definitely not like an accurate representation of like the reality of polyamory, which is mostly just like Chillin. Oh, yeah not going to like panel discussions or like cuddle meditation speed dating all the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like if you if you did. A documentary on monogamy you probably like run out of things pretty quickly. No, you probably like film like husband that was like cheating on his wife of 25 years. You'd like feel more like the extremes. Yeah Rama that's like completely understandable. But like medium, I feel like it because it isn't the norm and people don't understand it as much that's where they're getting their primary information from. Yeah. Yeah for sure and I like I'm actually He got smacked by like the hot take that you've presented me with that isn't even a hot take but that a lot of people live. I'm not going to say polyamorous because like from you and from like my what I've learned so far what I hope I'm like right is that like polyamorous is like ethical like all of my communications but like they live like a non-monogamous life like I'm most likely I'd say like I'd say it's 5050. Yeah, probably I don't even know but and so like that's the first thing I think whenever I hear like if someone says to me, oh like X y&z girl is in a relationship with her boyfriend for five years, but he lives over in America. I like the first thing I think is I fucking hope he's not doing the dirt on her. Yeah. I really hope he's not doing the dirt on her because like depended like I'm thinking of a specific incident. I'd never met either of them before but I just knew that this girl. She was property in love with him like and would not even dream of cheating. But like the first thing I thought was like is he over here for in Faraway land like cheating because that's all I hear like when people go away and I'm like like I'm planning on going away. Once I'm finished University. Unlike I have no worries about my boyfriend getting rid of people and all my family keep asking me this like, what's Adam going to do when you're away and I'm like, we're just going to keep like living our lives like it's just going to go on. I don't have anything to worry about I don't feel like insecure about what Is going to be happening. Well, I'm away or well we're in different places because it's just like our lives happening independently to each other because not everything has to be like a mesh all the time. And at the same time you could say that like a lot of my family wouldn't have ever taken it as seriously like when I had a girlfriend and wouldn't have ever asked me these questions of like, how is your relationship going to be affected by your future when I was with a girl but they'll ask you when I'm with a guy at the same time because marriage is kind of on the process exactly and they're like, even though you obviously can get married either way. Like it's bizarre. Like it's such a shift in attitudes like interesting. Yeah, but that's that's something that like I obviously want to cover like the it I didn't want it to be the first or second or third or fourth question. I wanted to ask because it's all people ever ask but when people say don't you get jealous? Yeah. What do you say like, this is just me. I know that in all of like the polyamory documentaries. Everyone says like jealousy is a human emotion and everyone's been to feel it. You just have to like work it out or whatever. / what I genuinely like in my life like most things I've been jealous about I've been like Material goods are like, I don't know like the fact that like, I don't know like I had x y and z type of family or upbringing or whatever and this person. I'd like a really nice big house or whatever like something stupid like this when I was a kid or like when I was younger, but I genuinely I don't think I've ever like I've never had an experience of being like viciously so jealous because it's something that our partners doing or not doing or I've heard that they've done or whatever like I've never felt like that. Kind of like raging jealousy that you see in like, I don't know rom coms are your friends I contain that I yeah, I monitors I used to not. Yeah, like I I have only been in a monogamous relationships, but like I used to but it was warranted and previous things. But like I used to like have just like fire in my stomach the whole time like it's not good for the game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just be like I just I couldn't actually be be like happy. I don't know like I just like if I did have that I obviously I wouldn't be happy in the relationship that I have and in like the approach that I have but I didn't like it. I haven't experienced yet. And I know I'm 21 like I'm young. I'm not like saying that I've experienced all the widely world has to give me enough in the future. I probably will get like viciously jealous over something or another but like my partners have been all really good to me and haven't really given me a reason to feel jealous. Mmm. So like Hi genuinely like and I really don't mind if any of my partners because other people are get with other people. It's not it doesn't like caused me to feel jealous is like the physical thing or anything. Yeah, like I don't have it in me and say okay like that. This is like so person would say like you were like, okay. I'm going on a date and you're here and your boyfriend lives away. Like what's that? What's your kind of like what what's your boundaries with for yourself? And like how you communicate to others? Yeah, like so what's going on with me and my like personal set up right now is that I'm in as I said like a long-distance relationship with my boyfriend my long-term boyfriend for a year now and at the same time I'm like on Tinder and like actively like trying to go to a lot of like queer events and I'm like pretty involved in like the LGBT community and I'm like viciously like aggressive about it. I'm like you guys aren't kicking me out just because I have a boyfriend. I'm still bisexual. There's a being LGBT. I'm not going nowhere. I don't care like what the sexy You're my partner is like I'm still going to all these gay Vans wearing my rainbow flag and like that's my my general perogative. And honestly when I like when I actually do get to go on a date with a girl I got like really excited and I like basically tell them right away and I'm like, oh my God. Guess what? I was thinking is like you're laughing texting. Oh, we're going on a date. We're gonna hang out. I'm like so excited or whatever. This is gonna be really embarrassing. No Anna gets laid back. I know but like yeah, I just and then I'll be like because I'm a pretty vicious texture like I text only much all the time same and like when when my boyfriend goes away for a few hours or like we have like totally different sleeping schedules. I'm like totally an early riser and he sleeps late and I like go to sleep really early and he stays up late. So like a lot of the time it's like he was last active say 12 hours ago. Like I go crackers if I didn't have like someone to text of ours board like I'm like just sitting here and I'm like I say, I need to tag someone I need to text someone and like it's I don't know. It's like it's not really like the same. Friends or whatever it's like more exciting and like fun or whatever and like going on dates as well as just like oh so exciting and I would probably say before I go on the date like I'm going to be like a way for the next few hours. I don't think I'm like ignoring you if I don't respond to your text or whatever and then like you jack a little message being like Oh, hope it's going well. Let me know how it goes and then afterwards I'm like, so would you call him? I sure like, we I just get so excited like that was so lovely. Yeah, I genuinely like I just think Women are class like and I'm very rarely ever disappointed by hanging out with women. Like no matter what the context is. Like I say like if it's a date or whatever like I kind of consider as much as I say like, I don't go into things with expectations. I'm like, I kind of consider everything a bit of a potential date but also has a potential to not be a date and be a totally platonic thing at the same time. Yeah, but like I'm literally never hung out with a girl and be like God what a dickhead like we're gonna hang out with him again. Cool, and I learned this and I learned this and I got this new perspective on this and it was just great and like yeah, and then I'm just like happy hour and on a booze and then yeah if it goes to second date, I'm like, yeah amazing. This is even better and then you see where it goes from there. That sounds like such a healthy lovely situation. Yeah. Like I actually I genuinely am like it's funny because I never thought that like if you had asked me like 5 years ago where I see myself like relationship was I would not have expected this at all, but I'm actually like super happy with myself and with my relationships with others for like the first time probably in my whole life and I'm like what happened ngratulations like yeah, I'm really concerned and I feel like I have like a proper stable relationship, but I'm also like safe and it to like pursue more casual things but also like things that I don't know where they're going to go and like just getting to know more people and not feeling like restricted or like unhappier like I'm gonna like hurt the other person and I know that like, they don't feel like they're going to hurt me there by doing anything. Like it's all just out in the open and able to talk about it. Like that's the main thing. What would you say are things that you wish people that you wish people didn't think of polyamory not that you like resent them for feeling. Yeah that you wish like in the future people would be more understanding about or educated on. Okay OG not even OG my my regular listeners will like I promise I'll get my technical shit. Together these days. So what were we talking about before he cut off probably should have started checked before we start again and it was if there was a misconception. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like I think the idea of it as being something really far out and weird when in fact like humans are very like interdependent creatures and like we like as much as monogamy works for some people and I'm not denying that and I wouldn't Like want anyone to do the exact same thing with me when it doesn't suit them. Yeah, but the idea of like diversity and like kind of like a collective instead of like to individuals like the idea of two individuals is kind of like reinforced by like not only heteronormativity were like sexism and like the idea of having like even the thing of like a man has the sun and a woman as the moon like the woman always always like the Lesser part of the union and it's like A lot of the time not all the time, of course, and I'm not saying this about every monogamous relationship. But historically it's been used as a way to like oppress women and like have control over women and even like marriage and stuff like our ideas towards relationships have changed a lot in the past few years were very like stuck in our ways about certain things and it's like it hasn't always been like this and the assumption is that it has but it's actually quite a recent thing like monogamy. I read sex at dawn. Yeah exactly. Yeah, like just everything is so like over simplified when things are actually much more complicated much more complicated from like sexuality to gender to like monogamy to everything. We like tend to want to exert control over things to try and understand them better but you actually gain a much better understanding by being open-minded. I know that sounds really cliche open-minded. What like it. Something you hear time and time again, like a lot of people say that but not a lot of people like really take it onboard take ya take action from it. Yeah, so I'd say like try do it in action do it in action. Well done, very good English studying journalism try today, if you're listening to this and you're going to work maybe that like if you're To just even if you see something on your Facebook and you're like that's a bit weird challenge that feeling and like ask yourself. Why yeah, like why do we presume these things about everything we have like all these presumptions and you have to like work really hard to kind of counteract that and like once you start doing that like it all kind of starts to like follow a when he started questioning one thing you start realizing that like most things are all kind of a bit made up and all we can do is the most I believe in like the power of the masses and the greater good and everything like we do have like a We owe it to ourselves to live like as individuals and incense and like do what's like best for us and not what's best for like the greater good of society like contributing to like societal norms and so forth. Like you can just do your own thing for your own sake and you don't have to worry about how it's going to make your like conservative Aunt June feel like you just do for you like and because you're the most important person in your own life, and that's the bottom line. I love the ant name. Yeah. I actually don't have a concerned parent. And thank God I haven't like now is very specific Shady to my I don't know what she wants. She's relation being some way June. You're actually great and I love you, and I didn't mean to drag you. Okay. Well, thank you so much for sharing all that with us. I think in a world in a world where people are scared to actually become educated because they don't want to seem ignorant. It's nice to just be able to sit down and have a friend conversation and ask absolutely I'm like, there's nothing wrong with asking questions as long as you do it like in a respectful way without being like ugh, that's awful to yeah response. Yeah, it's fine facial neutrality. And thank you so much. And I really really appreciate it. You're a great speaker and guys and weep over a message on my Instagram if you enjoyed this or if you have I don't know just just just respond. I really like when people say oh, I never thought about it this way or excetera Etc. 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Today's episode is a discussion about Polyamory. Alyssa shares her personal journey with Polyamory, while we discuss common opinions and criticism of ethical non-monogamy such as 'jealousy' and it being boiled down to 'purely sexual. We also discuss media coverage, representation and documentaries made on ethical non-monogamy and how they portray it. I wanted to record an episode on ethical non-monogamy after watching (my icon) Louis Theroux's recent documentary on the subject. I wanted to talk to an Irish Poly person as I felt it would be significantly different to that of the American Poly people Louis chose to base his documentary on. I cannot thank Alyssa enough for being so open and educational on this topic. These are the podcasts I love to record the most, the ones where I forget I'm even recording because I am so engrossed with what the pod-guest is saying. This podcast is hard to sum up because it explores so many topics under the umbrella of relationships, identity and love...so I will just leave you all to it! Thank you to Depop for supporting me through this series. You're constant encouragement has meant I have had more time, energy and motivation to research and find guests who mean so much to my listeners and myself. The Depop shop of the week I am LOVING this week is @caked for the *sickest* shirts that will look good on everyone. Please review and share if you enjoy this podcast- it makes my day!

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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESP n of T v-- talk now. Look The Buzz. Teen drama music and drama music after school special music that's what it sounds like what's up? Everybody should boil em, gonzalvez. Here. We are here for the affair after show. It is O G9, once again, you know whoop-whoop-whoop-whoop next to me. Of course my a one since day one. We've been holding it down since season. On 1 April wasn't having a building with everybody happy to be here. Yes. Yeah old see from there it is. There it is. All right. So let's get into it. First of all, what did you think about this particular episode you excited before we started watching. I was excited before we started watching. Yes, but just whoa, I literally feel like shook in my body for multiple reasons body in my body for multiple reasons in both of their parts. Like I Tell they kind of of they're making a bigger deal of Alison again and Noah's part and then obviously what went down with Joanie. I literally like multiple times. I had tears come to my eyes definitely for sure favorite episode of the season so far. I like how they're starting to wrap things up. Would you think I was it was refreshing to see Noah and Whitney getting along? I did like that obviously when the Season started they kind of had, you know mended fences. She's kind of been you know, you know, very cordial to her father and you know been able to spend a little time. This is the first time I think that we've seen them just together by themselves, right? So they went over to Montauk to go look at dresses and kind of just get ready for a wedding because she's supposed to get married at Helens parents house, right? And so I thought that was great. I thought that was great because I mean there they've had a tumultuous relationship the Are all the entire? Yeah, I mean the entire series like ever since the affair happened with me was not feeling her dad. She did not like her dad and she made it known countless times. So to see them together and getting along. I really really appreciate that. I love that very much the second half of episode with bin Crews and Joanie was crazy. I was not a kind of my mind. Okay, it's going to go like this. She's gonna go over there. She's gonna pretend you someone else and then He's going to figure it out and then they're going to get into it. Right I did not see the flip coming with her leaving and then coming back and then he just twisting the whole thing same but both women die you and I obviously our mouth dropped to the floor. Like we actually gasps it was it was insane. It was crazy insane. Let's get into it. So for the first half we talked about as we mentioned it was Noah and so him and Whitney are going to Montauk and they go to Helens parents house and we had heard about Bruce's. Addition and how he's deteriorating with Alzheimer's and everything and so to see it present. We're literally he goes in there and he like, you know, Bruce has no he is he says like Hi, how are you? I'm Bruce Butler. Right, right. Oh Helen are not Helen Margaret tells me you're a writer. I always wanted to be a writer. So the thing that made his very existence and made him so pompous and whatever in the past, he doesn't even remember doing is so again kudos to the writers because Does that is so genius? Because just you said it perfectly that's what made him and that's why he marked large reason why he had the distain for Noah because he felt like I'm a better writer than you your ass up. Our writer. You really should be doing something else. I'm pretty sure season 1 episode 1 is when he said that quote that Noah has to help him with tonight that everybody has one good book and I'm not everybody who are very few. People have to yes. I was like whenever he said that I was like, oh wow. That's a big a great reach around. It was such a great region crazy to see you know, obviously this is a big a big thing going on for them. It's made them, you know lose a lot of their money. Obviously, they still have their house. So, you know, they are doing okay in a certain sense, but everything's completely different for them now which just goes to show and not that this is in any way making light of his condition and or whatever but it goes to show like be nice to people while you can because dear God you really want people taking care of you in that situation after and like thank God Margaret is they're taking care of him because he was a pretty big douche bag to her. Well, what's also interesting is, you know, Noah gets so much flak because literally this season is called the affecting the series is called the affair, right and it's because Noah cheated on Helen with Allison. That's how we even get the series hair. Right? But I feel like we do miss the situation between Bruce and his wife because he basically was Noah. Yeah. He I mean they almost live parallel line. She was an author knows an author he cheat on his on his wife several times Noah did the same thing and so we see a nice almost like Bruce is getting and now he's broke. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And it's like Bruce is getting kind of payback for all the things he did because he was such a pompous. Jerk. Yeah, you know to everybody even including his daughter Helen. Oh, yeah majorly and think about whenever you know, really just taking it back again whenever Bruce And Noah have this conversation forever ago. I think also of season one. It was almost a thing, you know, everyone kind of knew something was going on between NOAA and Helen obviously they didn't know but Allison at the time but when Noah has the conversation with him about like the woman that he wanted to be with the Bruce was in love with this other woman for years and years and years, right and but he never left her because they had Helen and you know, he was gonna be a good man to do the right thing. But then he's like I think about her every day. I still love her you gotta go. So that almost like pushed no one I didn't but you know when people say things like that to you, he was so enamored and so in love with Alice and at the time that it was like, oh my gosh, I can't imagine not being with her. So it's just an interesting situation that I'm sure we probably won't even get much more of because there's so much else that they need to do with our main characters obviously, but I did I like that they're giving us kind of like the little wrap up absolutely on him and it's even weirder that he thinks that Whitney is Helen and he's dead. Awfully good think it if she ends up going through with the wedding and yours Helens old dress. That is crazy. Literally. No, it's like no, this is your granddaughters, right my daughter like you're really bugging right now and then he cracked the egg over the Open Fire. Yeah, that was really bad. And then we you know, we talkin about no money problems. And this was never money was never an issue before right one who's ever tissue a boar before and we see that Margaret tells Noah. She's like, yo someone give you the quote for the tent, you know. Grand you got that right? She got that right? That's what you saw was like yo and talking about weddings are expensive. So that's what I kept thinking like, you know, we know Helen isn't in the greatest of situations, but also it's a little confusing money-wise because Noah does have this big book coming out but we also know that he you know technically went bankrupt because he was put in prison corrector killing man. They didn't kill correct whatever I say that because I want to touch on that later, but and you know, I'm like Helen you're so loving this. Oh, so, you know couple few million dollar house. It can't be that tight. So it's a little confusing but it's you know weddings are freaking expensive and for us to know just from what we've seen in the and Whitney's part, you know, a couple of episodes the whole time. I kept thinking like I don't even think she really wants to have this wedding. So why are we doing it? Well, I think it's a first of all we got to look at it. If nothing if no one would have had any changes in their financial status. It would have been tradition that she goes. Get married at her grandparents house and they would have probably took care of everything. Yeah, obviously for everyone the situation is different for Bruce and Margaret for Helen for Noah. Everybody is not in the same Financial. I mean, no was just coming back and he was talking about. Oh when they were talking about Finance. He's like, oh I got my Advance coming. But again, no one is Rich this point no one it is well off and so Whitney is looking at his like yo, I really I think she honestly think I disagree with you in essence I think. She does want it initially but she sees the pool financially that it's going to be so her thing is like and and speaking of broke her dude, and that's sirohi can't help at all. So I think she's looking at us like dude. I don't want to deal with this because it is embarrassing. Yeah, and I really, you know, if this is the situation at hand, I really don't want to worry about it, right? I'm in at more. So in the sense of like does she actually even want to be married which obviously They talk they comes out later later. Yes, but that's what I kept thinking not obviously at this point. We didn't even know that she says that later but just in what happened, you know with fur cat and how she was feeling at the time. I'm like it didn't it doesn't really seem like she wants to get married. So why are we kind of going out of our way, but a lot of people do this, you know, they start something and then it just starts rolling in but you don't know how to stop and then obviously they're dealing with his immigration status. And so she feels a pressure for that. It's all the way around which we can you know, we can understand obviously. SLI, but I mean she's kind of handling it. Okay, I guess okay. She's handle it. Okay, but she does I do like the fact that she has the conversation when they do go the lobster roll also really shout out to the market way like no you can't drive my car because the last time yeah, that was Margaret has so many great one-liners like it's almost like And I said this before I think an earlier session, but I kind of do feel bad because I hated her because she was so mean to everybody especially to know I hated the way she treated Noah and Helen and just everybody but I feel like she is, you know, she's dealing with this situation with her husband Bruce. He did cheat on her multiple times. Now, she's having to take care of him. Now, they don't, you know, they're not in the same situation so I do feel for in that but yeah, she's the Savage is still sad. He still Savage. Yes, they do go. By the lobster roll and that's where they do have that conversation and they you know Whitney starts telling me, you know, tell me about how you cheated on Mom right with Alison because he sees like this is where they met at the lobster roll that oh you were met someone when they were choking right? Like that's what you bonded over. He just the benches, right? Exactly. Right? But we see that hat we see it as viewers, but I think this is where it starts with she wants to figure this out because she's having the issue with her fiance, right and the fact that you cheated with Cat of all people right? Exactly, but she's she's figuring out like yo, do I want to get married right? Because look at what you did to my mom. Exactly and that's why I think they need to have maybe well, maybe not now if the decision is just made but I liked the thought of them opening this up not only because it makes me feel like, you know, they're doing they're giving a little more Justice to the Noah Allison, you know ending anything it's not that he you know, obviously we see him in the this season especially making moves toward Helen and things like that, but I like the justification because it's like okay this wasn't just for nothing. I did really love this person. Let's revisit this a little bit but it's good between so that's just me like as a viewer liking it and made me of course tear up and obviously the stuff with the leases will talk about that. But I think it's really good that she even started to think about this because she has no idea what happened. How would she's never sat down. She just knows my dad. Cheated on my mom and he left her for this other woman and that's that so he doesn't know kind of you know, it was surprising for her to hear when she's when he said oh, yeah, it was it was Alison that saved her right? Not Helen and I think that being able to start that conversation. Obviously, they get interrupted is something that ultimately in the grand scheme of thing is going to bring them closer together for sure. Well, this is why I see why It's so important that they have their together and just them to and not Helen because this conversation wouldn't have had him if Helen wants there or if anybody was there besides the two of them, right? So and this is something that needed to happen to deal with what she's dealing with and kind of figuring out so she can get some resolution as far as what you want to do a shout out. First of all, though. I hate what they did with a lobster roll. So time looks like it looked like what's that Long John Silver's I did when they said when he said the line about Like oh, yeah people aren't as friendly as they used to be right. I thought they were going to like play it back with like, oh, yeah because Alison was real friendly Uber but they didn't I guess I'm just too much of a freak God. Ah too much you are too much of a freak her out, but we did see a little glimpse of Louisa and which will last time we saw her she was old and ancient to look terrible happy to see young. Yes, young Louisa regular-looking Louisa. She stops by and Noah's kind of being Noah. You know, oh, you know put his foot in his mouth sure as he always does even then goes out to the car and his whole thing is, you know, he wants to you know, see Johnny. Yeah, because you save me feel so happy. Yes. So we you know, we saw that in the preview that he was trying to do that and I made the comment last week once I saw that I was like, it's not fair that Louisa still got to do this this this but she's not giving Noah the opportunity clearly. It's not even up to her because the you know, this is a chance site viewing of each. And she does she's you know, she's like they're leaving at 5:00. So whatever she so I guess I can take that back because you know, they moved to Vermont and whatever but the fact that Noah still wanted he at least made some sort of effort once he was there obviously he had been making too much of it but always had a lot going on and his life a lot going on, but it ought to me it also showed the arel irrelevance of Louisa and her character and how she just you know, even when she was with Cole she was just you know, we talked about this. This I think last week and how she really still love Dallas. He really still love Allison, right? Then. We see that he's leaving he's taking you know, they've already separated. She's having move on. She's obviously not happy about it whatsoever. And then kind of goes a nose like we're not friends. Like why are you even you know asking all these questions if you want to go holler at him go right ahead, but don't pretend that you know, we're buddies and she said like when she makes a comment about coal and she says like when she tells Noah that they're separated because no was like joking. He's like, oh, yeah. I believe you got cold moved to the city and let's not forget that Noah and Cole actually have spent some time together, you know when they were driving around looking for Alison all that kind of stuff. So it's nothing Noah doesn't know Cole but it was it was just like a punch to her where she's like. Well we're separated right the writing was on the wall. Everybody saw it and it's like he can't even say anything but I totally agree with you it almost I mean not that I've ever really loved her character. Anyway great actress, but it's like so what were you Therefore she served a purpose. Obviously, we're working. She served a purpose but it just showed that and it's not that irrelevant her character is it's that's not what I mean. What I mean is that basically as a wife to col like she did not serve a purpose because he didn't at the end of the day. He didn't love her truly actually wanted he didn't want to be with exactly they go dress shopping. Obviously the dresses are way expensive and and I was like, I'm not paying for these dresses and Whitney catches on that. She's like look no worry about it. Then I look up. Well, he's you know, he's an author and he's movies coming out. Hey, you know the famous screenwriter I could do this. I'm happy with Whitney's choice and that moment. Yes. I absolutely grown-up decision. Yes. I thought that she was gonna kind of be like really love this dress. And because I feel like knowing, you know, they say in the car later. You know, I see what you're trying to do. You're making amends. I do feel like he's trying to make amends to her. He's been trying with Helen obviously he's trying with her. There's nothing that's ever truly going to make Up for what they did because she was a child. I mean she was older she was a teenager but still she was a child and her dad left. It doesn't matter if he loved this woman if he whatever he left her. So I feel like he's always going to be doing that. But I feel like he would have very easily been like, okay, I'll just figure it out. Absolutely. And so I love this was like a good Turning Point moment for Whitney right here where she was like, no this isn't saying what person would spend $17,000 ridiculous Okay Whitney. Yeah, and then she's Going up and I think that as a huge part that we can get on this first part of the episode is the fact that she's growing up. She's obviously going to get married. She's you know, being able to listen to her dad take advice from him, you know, even when we see when they go back to the house and then you know, she puts on her mother's dress was so sweet. She's tearing up and no one's tearing up. He's like, oh my gosh, this is not and that's when it comes up with the whole. You know, she cheated on her fiance, right? And so they have that, you know discussion and she basically wants to kind of figure out like dude like what do I do and no one gives her really really sound advice. You know, he basically tells her, you know, you have to keep getting married over and over again when you zoom in to stay married. Yes getting married is one thing but to stay married and yes I messed up, you know and she's like, well, what's the difference? He's like why had four kids so it's different in you know, because basically what he's saying is do you want to hurt him because if you want to get out of the situation then yes, tell him Because you're probably not going to get married if that happens, right if you really love him and you want to be with him then maybe you don't need to say anything now. I don't know how I agree necessarily with that particular point, but I get why he said what he did. Of course I get why he said that because his whole thing is look, you know, if this the man that you cheated with you're never going to run into him again and you really love this person. It's almost better to not say anything act like it never happened, right? But if you want to be truthful with him then Then you're going to have to you know, receive the repercussions, right whatever that is. But if that's what you want to do just understand what both things are going to be. I think it was some of the best advice is given her. I love the lineup, you know, Merit marriages and always magic, you know, like you he how he said, you know, you think I thought I married this person because I loved them and I was always going to feel this way and yada yada yada and you don't realize you know, it's literally some people call it a job like you have to like you said work at it. I think that I mean regardless of how I actually feel about what she should do or like the opinions on it. Was it right to not tell them it's if it's never going to happen again, whatever. I think he did a good job of equating it back to his situation as well because you know, we saw he tried to stay with Helen but he admitted it it he admitted it in the very wrong way. He admitted it because of this just to make himself feel better, correct, and I think that's not a good reason, but then guess what he did end up. I need to be with Alice and so then I just made it a thousand times worse. I wasn't right. So I was like it's it's good almost at he said that to her and it really makes her think but this is why I say do we think she at the end of this conversation? Does he land or does she landed the position of okay, I don't want to get married it. Is that where she lands I you know when I saw how it ended and I saw how tumultuous she was feeling about everything because he or she is It's not even about the money and we find because you know, that's how they even start about the conversation because he's like no. No, we got it taken care of. You got a dress. We got plates. You know, I'm taking care of the tip right exactly. It's like no no. No, that's not it. I don't even know if I want to get married. I feel like she's going to err on the side, you know early prediction, but I feel like she's going to err on the side of not getting married, right? Because I think she's the type of person that she cares about that. She said this is her best friend she cares about him. I think that she's going to tell him. Yeah. I don't think she could live with herself. By not telling him and then going through the marriage and then living that way she's different than Noah. Yeah, I think she's different in that respect. Like she's very upfront. Very honest. She doesn't pull any punches. Sometimes it's gotten her into trouble, you know with her mouth, but she's different in the sense that she's going to tell him so I see her telling them and then maybe they do get married. Maybe they don't depending on what his reaction honestly. I don't think he's even that great because he can't even wear I mean But I think she tells him I thought the at the end of the conversation that basically it was her saying to Noah like okay, I'm not going to do this meaning not going to go through with the marriage because she seemingly admitting that she doesn't want to she's like, I don't want to hurt him like that because I know it would hurt him. Then you have the immigration status in there. Like we talked about you have all of these all of these factors and basically, I think that Whitney at this point is feeling like I'm married. Him because he needs me to not that she doesn't I think she definitely cares for him that I think she loved him and I think he actually wants to be with him, but there's a very big difference in you know, you're dating someone you love them and great but you're not ready to get married to them yet, but there's a lot of pressure because of these outside things. So absolutely the best decision for them is to not get married at this point, but it's like they're all with all these other things happening. That's not the easiest thing to do but it seems like that's kind of what she said to him at the end. She's not going to get married. I don't think she's going to get married. We see at the very end before we get into the second half of the episode that no one gets a call from Vanity Fair about Eden. We already saw earlier his former publicist about him coercing her into sex, which is if I am remembering it wrong then please shout me out right now, but he did not coerce her into having sex. If anything she was whether we arrest sir if I remember correctly. I believe that you are right that was a couple of seasons ago. It was like season season was a season 2 or season 3 either it was when he was, you know, had the book and he was doing the tour. Yeah, obviously she was with them. It wasn't last season by far but I think it was the other way around and she was the aggressor right? So which even makes it even that much worse? Yeah. And so and we even seen the previews how he kind of comes out of like what are you doing like and she's like, I'm not scared of you anymore, right? Because we Did see a Prelude to this conversation when she runs into Helen and your boy Sasha man, and she's like, oh, yeah, I was you know, no one's oh, yeah, he was a jerk and I don't you know, of course, I thought you didn't like oh right you like? Oh, yeah hats I believe you but I'm like, I don't understand why she doesn't do that. That's her motive. Well, we're going to find out we'll find out I'm gonna find us I was like, what did is she just really that upset that he didn't actually end up wanting to be with her as she Believe that upset that he may be fired. I don't remember. I don't think they ever addressed the ending of that professional relationship, but it's just the fact that I'm like, you know you and I talked a lot about people and we've talked about a lot on the show and on our aftershow is Noah has no a paid for his sins what you know, has he been hit has he been redeemed territory territory and talked a lot about the Redemption of Noah solloway and unlike he just gets knocked down again like not to take away you No, I never want to take away from someone's experience. If you feel like you, you know were coerced into something then that's very different. But from what we saw, right? I don't think that that is what happened. Right? Yeah, I don't know exactly I mean I have some suspicions but I'm just going to leave that out. I want to wait and kind of see what happens. So we get into Johnny's part and we knew this was coming. She goes basically right over to Benjamin Cruise's house. And then she you know gives a fake name and says she has PTSD And then Ben tells her he's like, oh, you know you have an honest face. I'm like head. So the writing is so good because I'm like she did she's not being honest that was shot out to April and lamb being really big idiots because when she signed her name, we were both like that's how he knows it right away and they were like no. No, but it was that was significant though. We knew there was going to be something that we were just wrong on why it was significant. Yeah, but it was significant he then You know says he's going to take her to this process because of her condition called EMDR. I didn't get what that stood for our probably could you know, I don't think he actually said he just explained it's mine. I was just going to say I was I would maybe look if that's a real thing, but he called it him EMDR and it was a you know, it's basically a method of therapy. He runs a clinic there in the home. We had other patients and he deals with him and they Garden it is eye movement desensitization desensitization and reprocessing. That's why he did the thing with the fingers and then you you don't remember he and Allison did something like that when they went to like one of those classes or whatever something where the yes. Yes, correct. Yes, correct. Yes, so it's a real thing. So this is something he does. So he starts doing different things tries to I thing doesn't work. She says she's getting dizzy and then he tries the finger-touch thing, which is significant because just like you said he did that with Allison and then she starts, you know, he starts saying like, give me Me, you know, I need I need something to go on so she starts recounting basically when she's playing like, oh my boyfriend and she starts telling him what happened between him and her mother and well there was a part of me that I was like, how do you how do you know she I mean she was pretty like on the money with some of it and she just recently learned of this information. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, how did she know but I believe I believe she's very smart, you know, she's a scientist. Yeah. She's very smart. And she went over and I was I think it was last episode when her boy took her over who EJ EJ took our over to the records, right? And she started seeing all the things that happened to our mother. I believe when she read through all of those. I think she just kind of pieced together what she feels happened. Oh and she remember seeing Ben show up to the apartment number and that's how she remembered him. I don't think I don't think those were the same. I don't think it's the actual night that she died, but she knows she can. The stuff she you know said she could guess either he started saying bad things things got heated. She's saying right now, she's smart. She's smart. And who knows maybe she was little device and we're back. It's all what happened. But I think she just piece it together. Yeah, and then interesting part is which I was shocked or number one a lot of stalkers is that he admits killing Alison straight up did I my mouth fell to the floor? She literally when he Really approaches her and says, you know, hey Johnny, what's up? I know who you are. And do you have any questions to ask me? Yeah, right not creepy at all. Yeah, and then she straight up says did you call my mom and he says yes, I was like what y'all are giving this to us? Yeah, because I thought it was going to be a long drawn out thing of we're never actually really gonna know if this happened and yada yada yada. I'm so I'm so happy by the way that he admitted it. Obviously it's a freaking skis and well obviously yes, but it is with condition because when he said he admitted I was like wait a second. There's a catch she's not just going to make killing her and that's going to be it, you know, something's got to happen. So as we continue he kind of explains himself talks about having a psychotic break. He took his aggression on her because he was impotent at the time and couldn't make love to her. And so he directed her rate his rage at her. I have to ask you were you take away every thought of what we know happened. The end of the episode. Where were you romanced by his by his reasoning like did you believe him basically at the time? I first of all I never liked me and I always thought he was a dirty dude same so him saying what he said, I believe that there was some truth to that. It doesn't excuse anything, of course not absolutely not but I believe that there is some truth. The thing with Ben is and we've seen and we saw it in this episode. He's a master. Manipulate. Yeah, he's very manipulative. I think he manipulated Alison back when they were, you know together the fact that remember he had a wife. Yeah. He had a wife he stepped out on his wife Allison found out and he got upset because he was caught essentially and she was like, I don't want to be with you in this situation, right? He could have very easily been like, okay, but instead he killed her obviously, he's just messed up but he fully had me, you know, we let's think about how many years it's been since this happened. I was like, you know, EJ makes a great Point later and saying, I like you're not a professional at this let the people handle it but I was like well, maybe he has all these you know psychotic drugs and yada yada yada because obviously it's a terrible thing that he did and we can you know, we do know that parts of this what he says is true and but I now that we know what we know I was like, oh my gosh, literally he just duped me he made me almost in a sense feel bad for him. I always even like as he was explaining it. And in the light you're guilty something bad things to happen to you joining these to do something yada yada yada, but I was like, I do I like you know, it's you're not you're making me feel a little less. Like I hate you so very much but and then I'm but then I started to remember the like, holy crap Cole literally spent his whole life trying to prove that this man killed her and then he, you know wasted the rest of his life and the Joanie just knows right now. I'm now it's just like, oh wait. Yeah. Everything that my dad said is true exactly. He then says and this is when he starts, you know, giving the explanation. He says that the statue which we did see, you know happen when it when we saw in the previous season did fall on ahead and it was an accident and look that's how she died. It wasn't intentional this that and the other and so basically gives her the green light. He's like look you can pass judgment on me. Whatever you want. I've been waiting for this so look pulls out a gun if you Want to shoot me whatever you want to do. If you want to call the police not knowing that he has this master manipulative plan behind the scene. So he believes knowing how she is because he has been studying her also, which we find out right so he knows exactly what she's going to pick. She's not going to shoot him. She's gonna be like, all right. Let me go get the cops. So she goes talks to her or boy EJ for a second. And you said something to me that was kind of surprising which I didn't even think about that but about who eat Some people feel he's a really is. Yes. We got a great comment. A lot of people think that's but I just want to shout out and pulling it up right now spoiler alert spoiler alert Taylor also the prediction also this is not confirmed in any way but Lara Stone Haskell commented lot on last week's episode and says, what do you think about this prediction? I think EJ Eddie is Vic and Sierra son 30 years ahead. He says that his dad died before he was born and that he has a picture of his mother on his phone. Wouldn't that be wild? We are getting that prediction a lot and I actually completely agree with it. It would be a like kind of out of nowhere semi like what would be the point but also like whoa, that would be crazy. That would be it's a good way to tie all of it tie everything together and it would make so much sense why we started the season the way we did and then finishing it that way. We're like, who is this EJ character that they're making so much they're giving him a whole lot of time a lot of time a lot of time. So I hope that that's it. I know. I love I Yes, that would be so dope. I love also that he is the one that because you know, we kind of forgot about it in the moment or I did anyway, but I love it. He's the one that's like but Joanie she drowned there was water in her lungs what happened if you commit suicide or if you're already dead when you're in the water, then you know, you get water in your lungs because you're alive and you're soaking your drinking and why so he's the one that makes her think like, oh wait, so what he said isn't true and I think that That's what made her make the decision of let me call the police. Right right. So she does that goes back to Ben's house with the authorities and gets super tricked was I'm still I'm still shocked yo, so but we kind of had we knew the signature was going to do something. We just were wrong and what it was but I knew it was significant, but basically they come in he brings them into the household twist the whole story. Cole's them that she's a patient has oh she signed, you know that she's here. I've been talking to the weeds right plays the recording of what she said about cutting his penis on right and then they're like yo what is going on? Like keep turning plan all this so quick and she has she has nothing to say it because let's think about it. He has been whenever he says like this until she found she has a bunch of say she's like, no that's not happening, but it just doesn't work of course whenever he was like Like, you know, I looked you up online. Of course, I wondered about who you were right? So it's like it's not like it was difficult, but she just recently learned of him. He has had this planned clearly for a very long time and he did it very well and I was just because and I was like, this is this is what a manipulator does they make you think genuinely in that moment. I was like, oh, wow, he's okay with you know her shooting Hammer calling the police or whatever. He knows. He has to pay for his sins. Oh, Then from there I was like, what's the purpose of this? I didn't even get I guess because I was so shocked. I didn't get that it's you know to ultimately protect himself just because he doesn't want to go to jail, but I was like, so do you plan on keeping her here? Like why are you telling them that she's a patient and it was just an insane plan that crazy that obviously they reminded me of I'm a huge fan of the saw series and how they right. Yes. Yeah and how I so much time is intricate into planning, you know, this person's death. Mais or what have you but he he was so good at that thing about this one for a for a long time. He's been planning this basically a long time. But even again, you know shocker number two, he admits to everything he admits that everything that she's thinking. Yes, that's exactly how it happened when it came to her. And the whole thing is to exonerate himself. So he doesn't have to pay the price right and then we see shocker number three for me was when you know, you know out Alison sorry Johnny comes out him. She's on the ground. He's pinning her down. She's like harder which you know, she's been doing think she actually said that I thought that was like a whisper like how they've been doing like the voiceover sometimes. Oh no, no, no because and that would make sense because remember when she had when she slept with EJ. Yeah. She did that right and that's been something that when she slept with the other guy the bartender the random bartender creepy bartender dude. She did it again. No, totally. I just thought she was thinking it in her mind at that moment. Oh, no, I know because you he is reaction. That's how I feel. Like she said it because afterwards he's like, oh you want me to kill you you want to end your pain? I thought it was because she kind of gave up and you see the look in her eyes. Well at first I was like, oh my God, he just killed her because she looks Dead first. Yeah, but it was just wild already the fact that if she said that or the fact that she said that makes it even crazier because like You really are just trying to get ya know you could you could I mean I you should watch your back because I the way I saw it is that she was saying harder and again, it would she's done it before. Yeah, and then heathens like nah, I'm not going to be the one to do this. You know, if you're trying to get out of your pain or your situation, I'm not going to be able to take you out and I was like did he just went right situation? Oh and there's no winner loser. But like no, I mean he has the upper hand. I mean, I don't I don't think it's over in the sense because of how it ended. I think there's going to be more with him. There's going to be some resolution either she finds a way to get back at him somehow with the help of her partner in crime ETA. So I think that that ends up happening now that she knows could because I don't see him keeping her because I think that he feels like oh no, I've already taken care of it. Yeah. I don't think at first I was like, what's the point? I don't think short wants to you know, keep her hold her hostage or anything, you know, obviously, he's been look even looking up stuff about her kids. I think he just wanted to of course make sure that he's he's left alone. Right and that now, you know, he's established that she's his patient and that she's crazy in the police are going to be looking at her right? He there's no way I mean I was when you went back in knowing that he had record. I'm sure you had it had I'm sure you had your phone in your pocket hit record. Yes are guarding the conversation but you know guess she didn't think on her feet. She the think like that not she's not a mess to me play like him. Yeah the same well I would have does that mean you master it again? You are not jumping. All right, so you said you have news and gossip? Yes. Do the gospels great news and gossip for y'all Dominic West. I always look knowing and looking up what people are doing after the show because of course we have grown to love these characters and the actress that played him so much. Our boy Dominic West is going to be starring in a new TV series called stateless along with Kate Blanchet Yvonne Strahovski. It's actually being Picked up by or funded I should say by an Australian company, but it's kind of course are here. So super excited for him that he has stuff in the works, but it's called stateless and I believe they just started filming. So it's going to be slated to come out in 2020, but were so we'll have some well awesome some more stuff with Dominic Westward. Yeah, what's up? There we go. All right. Let's get into predictions. Let's do that your AfterBuzz TV prediction. All right, gosh, you know where to go. Here, I don't I always want to predict the Noah and Helen situation. I don't know because we only have a few episodes left. I'm like are they just gonna give o we don't know? Well, you said you think it might go 11 episodes. I believe there are eleven episodes, but I don't know if they're just adding it like that because the the last ones extra long. I looked it up on IMDb, but it's quite confusing. So if you're in the chat or even after the fact let us know if it's actually 11 episodes or if it's 10 and it's the last one is extra long. But anyway, I don't know with the time that we have left and with how they're you know, they're obviously going to be giving Noah some less than Pleasant storyline material that he's going to be going through because apparently a student wrote a book about how he was inappropriate which I'm guessing is the student from when he was the professor of college because he was a little inappropriate with her, but guess what she was also held an appropriate with him. So I'm like, okay they're going to do that and they're going to have time to make us Really feel like Noah and Helen should be back together. I don't know anymore. I think that there's definitely there has to be some sort of resolution with the Joni bin thing with the bin murderer whether she kills him which would be really bad. I don't know there has I just think there's going to be it's not the last that we're going to see of him. It's not the last of that situation. I am happy that I think she's going to go probably through a lot herself and it could be Be self-destructive with her because she's hated her mom for all these years. I'm not sure exactly how old she is. But let's say 30-ish years. She's hated her mom for all of these years. Guess what? She just found out that she hated her for nothing because she was murdered. She didn't commit suicide so it could be very bad for her because she's already clearly not in a good way. Then she just learned this information and now guess what she's going to feel the guilt as well, right? So I hope it doesn't I don't want it. I definitely don't On it to end in a thing of like her committing suicide or anything like that, but I just I feel like it's gonna greatly affect her. We'll see I also have going to predict as well that EJ is Eddie. I liked it. I hope it happens. I think it would be a great time. Yeah, I think it'll be a great time. I think with the whole Johnny situation. I agree with that prediction and I think that they are going to come together like for real. Yeah and in not just because if it was just a situation where he just shows up and then they you know end up. This fling and then he just has gone. I think it's been more than that the fact that she's going back to him and they're discussing the situation and he has so much interest in what's going on and wanting to help her. I just see that the happening because I feel like she's she's I mean with her husband, you know, we saw what happened in the kids and how he's just, you know, she's kind of like through with that whole situation. Yeah. And so I feel like you know with her being there. This is a new chapter for her and now that she's finding all this information and then she finds out that that connection is there it just makes it more, you know. More so I believe that that will happen. Yeah. Also, I feel bad for knowing I feel like I do I even though Noah is this done some stuff but I feel that he what's coming up in the next episode from what we saw in the previews is he's going to get it he's gonna get it's gonna go down in flames. It's gonna go down in flames and he really is just I mean, especially with these just getting with Whitney, you know, the other kids kind of following suit, you know, he's trying to build the relationship somewhat with them. He still hasn't really got it with Helen, but I think that's because of the whole man situation. He's influencing her and all that kind of stuff. But if there was any inkling of him, you know kind of coming up and being positive now, it's going to come crashing down with these allegations. Definitely so it'll be interesting to see how that flips around and what happens with him as a result of maybe it could bring hell and back to him because she wants to help support him because of what he did for her. You never know. I mean in theory, I think that'd be great. But the fact that You know Sasha man is still in her ear. I just don't see that happen, but we start to see we've already seen a little chipping at the you know, marble beautiful view that she has of him. And I last week's episode or I'm sorry the week before and you can tell from the preview now, she's having lunch with his daughter quote-unquote daughter not actually his daughter and you know, she's starting to see that Sasha man is not so wonderful after all and the only reason why she would be having lunch with him is if there was going to be a situation. Tuition where he brings a negative light on him, right? That's the only reason that would be there and like Helen of course the being who she is as going to want that's how she feels bad for the girl. She's gonna want to have her, you know be let's make sure you're okay especially if she's actually going to be in a serious thing but Sasha but what good could come out of this 0 0 which we like yes. Yes. No, man. No, sir. No, sir. What's everybody that has been our show when I think you so much for tuning in. Thank you everyone. In the live chat, make sure you tune in to the next episode because it's gonna be crazy and we want to break it on down and have you break it down with us. I've been your host Lynn gonsalves, and you can find me everywhere at limb Gonzalez. Also check out my website. See what I have going on there at stay on the mic.com April where you at? Y'all can find me everywhere at April with some hat and also on the season premiere of The Walking Dead after show tomorrow night. Yeah. All right, so until next week, we'll see you please. He's our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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BEN ADMITS IT! We are still shook from tonight's episode where Joanie finally gets the chance to confront Ben and he admits to killing Alison, seems apologetic and then turns everything around on Joanie in a way that we are still shocked by. Noah and Whitney have a father/daughter date in Montauk and the memory of Alison comes up. All this and more! Follow our hosts: @lemgonsalves @aprilwhisenhant #theaffair #theaffairfinalseason The Affair After Show: Join our hosts on THE AFFAIR AFTER SHOW as they explore the emotional and psychological effects of two affairs on the Showtime series. Each week we recap, review and analyze in-depth as Noah and Alison impact the people in their lives - from husband to wife to all the way down to the kids. Plus we’ll have inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT THE AFFAIR: The Affair explores the emotional and psychological effects of an extramarital affair. The drama will be told separately from the male and female perspectives using the distinct memory biases to both misdirect and intrigue. "The Affair" explores the emotional/psychological effects of two affairs. Young diner waitress Alison and her husband, rancher Cole, are struggling -- personally and financially -- in the wake of tragedy. Noah, a settled teacher and would-be novelist, is summering at his in-laws' Hamptons estate with his wife, Helen, and four kids. When Noah meets Alison, they begin an affair. For her, he's a welcome escape; for him, she's a pretty distraction. But, the tryst eventually ends two marriages -- one that was already a bit shaky, the other that was on solid ground.

Hey, this is Jason overcome Redmond. Thanks for tuning into the Jr. Overcome show. If you love this show we would love for you to do us a huge favor. Go to iTunes subscribe leave a five star review. Leave a comment and share with your friends. Everybody wants to be on top of the problem. Nowadays is people want to get dropped off at the top of the hill. I'm just that I overcome mindset that makes all the difference. Either way. We're taught is you're going to call your to scratch gonna bite. You're going to dig you're going to do whatever it takes to. Get to the top of that mountain that unequivocally is how I have managed to keep myself moving forward and finding success to seals One mission the Jr. Overcome show and welcome back to the chair overcome show. This is episode 13. We are rocking and rolling along and I got to tell you man though a little bit Ray. What's up, brother? You and I are we both are dragging a little bit because we have been on the go and burn. But dude, we've been burning at both ends. We've been burning the candle in the middle shits on fire all the rest. You look like you you look like I feel you look like shit right now. So rare a flu the red-eye back from viva Las Vegas Shot Show succeed and I flew back. I was up about 3:00 a.m. To I was at the airport at five to fly back from Dallas for some things I going on there. So we are in go time mode and a tell me about shot. How is shot Shamir had a bunch of people taxpaying like dude, where are you? And I couldn't make SHOT show this year, but I definitely will be out there next year and force but Ray you had some good times. I saw that you saw that you got under the grasp of a legendary MMA expert world-renowned. Who did you meet I met the goat. I met Royce Gracie. I've actually met him a few times. We had some fun. You know, he's out. He's a big shooter. I don't know. If a lot of people know that they're not so I introduced him to one of the Optics companies that Answer me. What company is i that's right on Optics right on top too good stuff good stuff. And I hooked him up with some individuals and got him some some guns that go boom. Boom and we had some fun. I was signing autographs true story. I'm going to tell the guests this we're not going to be the guest is yet and he's gonna mystery. It's a mystery mystery man. The mystery man. I was signing some autographs. Mr. Gracey come by. And yes, I still call. Mr. Gracey 52 years old. He's an animal and I signed one of my things and it's Ed Royce. I taught you everything you know about bjbj love cash and he read it because all I taught you how to shoot and he if you guys go to my Instagram page, you'll see it he gave me a choke out and then when he read what I wrote he was like, oh really? So he locked it in a little harder and start to put your face was definitely a little red when you tapped out. It was great. You know, it's good. But on a serious note I hung out with him. I was hanging out with a Dakota Meyer hanging out with real-world tactical The Who's Who of the industry Bill Goldberg one of the nicest people I've met he's with Lamb, they did the new show. They're doing the new show with a fortune fire forged steel the knife show. They're great guys. You name it man. We were hanging out. We were working all day networking and I was burning it pretty late at night catching up with Shawn ran a few other guys that we want the buds. Well nice, man, and it's funny because time just before I knew it it was Wednesday. It was time to go home and I realized when I got two hours of sleep, so I'm not pissed off today. I'm just tired but great times Shot Show is heh? Epic if it's literally reunions of just the Brotherhood and here I am now a 5-hour Energy drink. And yes, even though I'm a fitness Guru I actually had tacos and a soda to try to stay awake today. So shame on me will work it off in the Jocko soda and a 5-hour Energy drink them from a mess. Hey, but it's all about getting back on course and that is what this show is about. It is about leadership. It is about overcoming, you know, at the end of the day. Nobody is perfect. Even Ray cash care as much as he wants to tell you. He's perfect. He's shut your mouth. Not sure he's really Actually speaking and sometimes sometimes even read cash care has to get back on track. So that's what life's about it's about driving forward. It is about leading always and recognizing that sometimes when you get a bit a little bit off course, there's nothing wrong with that. You just pull your compass back out and you go. Hey, man, what am I goals? Where am I going? And that is what this show is about We are continuing on this idea this culture of success in 2019. We are interviewing amazing people with amazing. Amazing Story hours stories who are out there making a difference. So so yeah, I want to jump into that today and Ray today as we always have the word of the day. What is the word of the day today? The word of the day sir is trust. I say again trust so the definition of trust and again ladies and gentlemen, we always talk about I'm taking this right off the Webster's Dictionary and then obviously our special guest tells you how the word resonates with him or her and what it means to them but You have confidence in something or to believe in someone interesting truss amazing word when it comes to leadership and team. So I'm going to kick it over to our new guest but first I want to introduce this individual in the legendary Jr. Overcomes shall fashion this individual. I got to tell you the very first time I met this individual and how he introduced himself so many years ago. I was on the battlefields and Iraq and I was shot by an enemy sniper and killed. This was the way he introduced himself and you listen to that and you're like wait a minute man. You're standing on stage talking to us, but it is such a powerful statement and the journey that he went through from crushing through this moment to an incredibly low point in his life struggling with so many of the demons that are out there and then driving forward and finding success and helping to heal people through so many of the things he's doing is absolutely mind-blowing. He is a friend of mine. He is a leader out there. Making a difference and other people he is a number one best-selling author and we're going to be getting into all of that. He is delivered hundreds of talks. He's been featured on CNN Fox News the Oprah Winfrey Network Network. He has done a tedx talk. He is out there getting his degree right now and he is making a difference. He has worked for some major companies you want this guy to come out and speak for your company. He speaks on emotional resiliency. He speaks on a emotional leadership. He is speaks on the asymmetric mind which is his company as the CEO and leader delivering amazing training and Consulting to companies across the country he is well, he is a West Point grad will let that slide. You know, I know I mean he's been kicking our ass. Once again. I'm going to reiterate we're letting that happen by this guy is incredible and everything. He speaks on I'm going back to the foundation of our word. Day, it's built upon trust. So ladies and gentlemen, it is my great honor to introduce the author of the beauty of a darker sole CEO and founder of asymmetric mind LLC the legendary reborn twice dead. Major Josh moths. Yeah very welcome to General overcome show. So we're gonna kick things off Fast and Furious man. Trust is the word of the day. You have nailed it. You have said trust is the foundation of everything. I teach Josh what does trust me into you? And let's kick off our first discussion, you know, it's such a such a powerful word write a single word that we hear all the time. Right? But what what really happens when we trust someone right is we're becoming vulnerable with that person. Right and we're surrendering that vulnerability of ourselves with the expectation that the person Putting our trust in is going to honor that respect that right. And the the point here is that any leader at any Echelon in any context is is charged with that responsibility, right? So it's much more than word here. It's a concept that's infused with in every dimension of leadership within every organization now and and something that any leader should cherish if If their subordinates are willing to trust them a lot of people, I don't think think about that a lot of people don't think and it's just inherent and Leadership and its inherent and teams, you know, Ray and I go all the way back to the very beginning going through buds together and it literally it was that trust that enabled us to know that that guy next to me. He was he had his he was carrying the weight. His head was under that boat. He was helping he was encouraging it was the trust that we knew that no matter how bad things got the guy to the right and left for me was still going to be there and that Throughout our military careers Josh. I know you felt it and I can't think of any higher levels of trust than the incident that you incurred on the battlefield when your team literally brought you back and and to the combat support hospital and then the trust in the team that tried to save your life. I want to go back and I want you to tell that story because it is such a powerful story and it really is a story of trust because those individuals they went past. First they went past key points that really they were beyond the normal benchmarks of trying to save somebody for all intents and purposes. They should have stopped because according to Medical knowledge. They would have said hey this guy's dead. There's no way he's going to come back and be okay and literally whatever reason they the trust they had and you the trust they had in their skills. They said we're going to keep going so hey man, take us back to that day 2006 Iraq the day that forever changed. Stirred life. Yeah, so that was a is actually April of 2007, you know, just a couple months before you were hit J. You know, enemy sniper engaged us killed my senior non-commissioned officer staff sergeant Marlon Harper and then ricocheted into my upper right thigh and severed of my femoral artery. So the the very brief version of this is Essentially, I have full recollection of this entire experience and until the point that I took my last breath and and flatlined about 30 minutes later. This was occurring in North Eastern Baghdad. Very close to sadr City at the time of the surge. Right kind of arguably the most, you know, the peak of combat operations in Iraq at least right? Yeah, and you know that day obviously our mission was grounded in counterinsurgency operations. Right where the commission essentially what was decisive in that environment was gaining trust with the local population in this chaotic environment. And you know that day we had just come off a humanitarian Patrol where we were delivering school supplies and closings to a bunch of kids in the local community and we got diverted from that Patrol to another part of the sector. And essentially we were we were learning it into a very complex Ambush very well executed Ambush using sniper fire and mortar rounds. And and that's that's basically what set the context for that day. We were myself and staff sergeant Harper out on the ground interviewing an Iraqi gentleman and and because of that were essentially fixed into place which is what the sniper used to exploit Us in that attack and insert what some people I don't know if they're familiar. Your they haven't been overseas but obviously femoral artery is a very dangerous animal if you get hit and statistics say individual can bleed out as quick as 20 seconds all the way to 2 minutes. So what I want to put in perspective is most people don't recover from something like this people have but a lot of things that have to be on your side to make this happen. I mean, you know, depending on the elevated heart rate how much the Bloods the heart's pumping. I mean, I actually lost a friend overseas who got hit so I can I can relate to this. He got hit in the leg and instead of you know, trying to take care of himself. What did he do? He stayed in the fight with his brothers about two minutes and five seconds later. He's no longer with us. So I just want people to understand the severity of you know, when they hear an injury femoral artery and this is a bullet and with all due respect that actually went through someone else and still did this type of damage. So you need to understand the caliber of which you know this in the, you know, the bullet size and trajectory and speed and just sheer power. What these these rounds can do to individuals, you know, I mean, so I don't want to interrupt you but I just want people to have a clear understanding of what the hell is going on with what you're saying. Yeah, I think that's an important point to draw out right this this was to our knowledge. At least this was the first time we saw a caliber this large used on dismounted troops. It was basically an anti-aircraft weapon that was converted into sniper rifle. So the it had that hit me first. I wouldn't even have a leg but to suggest that it went through Marlin first fused to his armor plate and then a chunk of metal about the size of my fist blew out my femoral artery basically down to the bone another another piece ripped off and actually Hit The Interpreter which is a minor minor injury, but you know, you can imagine in that moment. You know what strength I can really resonate with what you said about your friend too because that's that's really the spirit of the American servicemember right? Amen. Amen. Yeah, you know solutely it's and I kind of experienced that myself. This wasn't an intentional response. It was Instinct you'll but you know, my first reaction was to drag Marlon out of the way and started to perform a tan him basically until I passed out. Which is when my medic arrived. Wow, close to the two minute Mark, you know, and it's and Josh was that did you realize the severity of your injury at that time? Did you I mean, I'm sure you were like I got hit in the leg, but obviously, you know, it's a mess when we get hit we're just I mean we have no idea so you were just like I got hit but I gotta save Marlon now the body the body is amazing in these moments. You know it we Candace survival mode and you know, we've all heard of the fight flight freeze responses, right and and when our autonomic nervous system kicks in and our bodies just take over and that's really what happened. I had no idea that I was shot. I just knew that something felt a little wrong my sensory perceptions changed it sings sings fluctuated between slow motion time fast motion time auditory Distortion again, all this happening over the Man of about thirty seconds and you're sitting here and you know, you're really down playing it but I just think that Warrior mindset kicks in you know, and you know, there's hunters and gatherers and brother you're a hunter and I mean that there's two types of people in the world and when you see a brother down, I mean a lot of us can relate obviously I haven't been injured like that in battle, but you know, everything comes before you and that's not get emotional and it's rare that you see me get emotional, but I can I understand what you're going through because of what happened to my friend and obviously Jason. Continue, but people need to understand. I mean, these are life ending injuries and this shows and I'm sorry, I mean, it's all due respect sir. This SOB is still trying to pull his brother, you know to safety putting His own life at risk even more so which you know lights are going out. It's just a matter of when you blacked out, but I just wanted people understand in my eyes. This is anaerobic feet. And I know people like you and Jason go. No, it's not this is just every day at the office. But I mean ladies and gentlemen, you know, you got half your leg missing you've got, you know, you get femoral artery. You got two minutes to pretty much live and that's being kind and the first thing that you do is you're pulling your body off the X getting off the X. I love it and I just To give you so mad respect to you sir means a lot coming from you brother. Thank you. Well, it's interesting and I think is what's hard to conceptualize here is right when an injury like this takes happen. It happens and our bodies essentially going to automatic mode and take over emotionally. I look back on that and I'm grateful that I responded the way that I did. Now the question is what led to that, you know, and and this is this is what I think is even Even more important is that when we reach adverse moments like this and obviously this is an extreme example, but it applies across the board, right? It is attributed to the dedication the discipline the pursuit of of who we are in these professions, right and everything that leads up to that moment. The mind is predictive, right? The brain is predictive and and in those extreme moments it's going to do what it's been trained to do, right? And we find especially when we're on the verge of death. What is most important emerges right and everything else away. So I think that's a again, you know something that I say on the on the psychological trauma said something that I say is frequently is that you know psychological trauma. It's not about getting shot right? It's about the threat of getting shot. You know, it's not about it's not about being in a firefight. It's about the threat of being in a firefight, you know, it's this constant state of ambiguity intention that military personnel and First Responders live with it that they have to learn how to harness in order to thrive in these environments. That's what counts you know, and and when the time comes for something like this to happen, right we all of the training the dedication the discipline hopefully kicks in And a situation like this is revealed. Right and Josh and there's no doubt. It. Did your team jumped in you know, and unfortunately, they're really tough decisions that have to be made in battle decisions it sometimes carry lifelong emotional and mental scars. One of those decisions is they realize that your team leader wasn't was dead. There was no way that they could bring him back and that's a triage moment that Medics and leaders have to decide your unconscious. I think at this point you might have still had a faint pulse. And they basically loaded and took you directly to the combat support hospital at what point when they brought you in at that point where you already flatlined or did you flatline on the table? And then I know walk us through the sequence of what happened because it really is a testament to that team that worked on you because I guarantee in a normal environment. They probably would have stopped because you were past all benchmarks that said we should keep trying to save this. Guy, yeah, so let me take you through some remember when speaking of trust here. I don't know that there's a more powerful way to demonstrate it than this. You know, when I drug Marlin out of the way kind of dropped and I ripped off his gear right and then see this huge hole right? There is a order right just and a few seconds later my 19 year old medic arrived, right? And I think in that moment, even though not knowing that I was severely injured right but but something about me since the safety they came That medic and it kind of for whatever reason I collapsed to the ground due to blood loss at that point. So it's almost like a significations that I trusted that medic, you know, but but maybe even more important is as my team was dragging me into the nearest vehicle to evacuate me, you know, and we're in crisis mode, right? And I remember in that moment when I Collapse to the ground, I wasn't completely unconscious yet, but I went into what I can only He describes the state of subconsciousness for the next few minutes. And as I was in that Arie, very distinctly remember feeling like I was falling into a deeper and deeper sleep. Just relaxing, right? It was actually very peaceful and I kind of heard my team dragging me, you know, I could hear my body scraping along the desert floor and I just kept falling into a deeper and deeper sleep and I remember thinking in that moment. That there's nothing more that I can do that that my team has this it's in their hands, right? And then I think one of the most important things happened in that moment, and and one of my team members noticed I was about to go unconscious and yelled at me at the top of his lungs like come on Sir. Stay awake. And in that moment despite the condition I was in right I could hear the emotional pain in his voice, you know, all the other Grunts and groans of the team members came back into my conscious awareness and I realized in that moment that I was still the leader of that team right that I didn't I didn't have the right to just check out and fall asleep. Right I had to do / I could love it. You can relate to that I speak to that I can't relate to That but I mean the minute you said that I literally got chills because of Jason because he's told me some similar things. That's it's so amazing how your stories even though? They're so different. They're so alike where you can lie. I mean really it is your attitude and your mindset and just by you know, somehow figured out how to hang on, you know, it gives other strength right because that and on the battlefield those are such critical components. Hope is one of the most powerful forces that exist and to know that there is hope that A teammate is still trying to hang on and give everything. They got it'll drive other people to do amazing things and Josh. I really think it was hoped that drove that emergency room crew that combat support hospital because I just want people to understand this story. I 5 I am blown away by this story because this story easily could have turn once or twice they started working on you when they got into the operating room and and incorrect, please correct me if I'm wrong. I think they got you in there and you had flatlined at that point like Really you were dead and they started working on you and there were there is a time clock that doctors and professionals look at and and Josh I know my times maybe off you can speak to this but like five minutes is that first Waypoint and you know, if you're if you've been dead for five minutes at that point, we're like the flow to the brain is just you know, it's not happening now, we're venturing into brain damage state. So typically after 5 minutes they stopped working. The next Waypoint is 10 minutes. Like almost nobody ever comes back and is able to mentally think and not have brain damage. If they've gone past 10 minutes without blood flow and oxygen to the brain. And then that last Waypoint would you say it's 15 minutes? It's like a virtual impossibility like million to one odds that anyone would come back and be able to do anything you hit all three of those waypoints and they kept working on you they believed in you they trusted in their team they were I'm going to let you go. Am I telling this story correctly? Yeah, you got it, you know by the time I got to the Aid Station fortunately we were in you know the middle of Baghdad pretty close to a to that medical facility, right? So if this happened in Afghanistan, I'd probably be dead just because we would have been far more remote but no J. Honestly the I was very fortunate to be conscious when I got to that aid station because cuz that is the moment where I really learned what it meant to be a member of a team, you know, there's kind of a thing in military culture where folks in the combat arms professions right infantrymen Special Operations, whatever it may be Kind of have this chip on their shoulder right and sort of it. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What are you talking about here? What a special operations being seen as arrogant see how great my hair looks I have a mirror at all times with me, sir. Jesus - how dare you yeah, there's a chip, right, but it's on healthy competition, right? But because there's kind of this sort of attitude that people in the combat arms know what combat is all about. Everybody else is in support of them, right and The thing is that day. I saw a medical team execute the most well-rehearsed battle drill. I have ever seen in my life. They were calm cool collected the entire time. They were well led by the Brigade surgeon. Everybody had a specific job in task watching them was like watching a choreographed dance, right and and it gave me an enormous sense of comfort even though I was only a few minutes from Death at that point. You know, obviously despite their very best efforts. I did go on to flatline on the table, right and and Jay just as you captured, you know, most most most surgeons will call it on a place you can fly lines after about five or six minutes because the the capacity for severe brain damage to set in is like exponentially higher at that point and something something inspired this team to keep going for 15 minutes and people need to understand Josh. You had no heartbeat during that time. It wasn't like they brought you back and they kept working your damn early for almost 15 minutes. You were totally flat line dead. Yep clinically dead. So it's not obviously like I remember everything up until you know, that that transition Point what it was like to die. I'm gonna skip that for a moment and and go to the point about two days later when I woke up in the green zone and this this is the point where where details of what that medical team really did to save my life were revealed to me and and more details have emerged over the last 10-15 years, but a lot of strange things happened that day, you know, number one the defibrillator paddles that they use the Shock Me Back To Life literally arrived at the base that very morning, you know, they had plastic to use them on right so because we were in a very robust Greater mentary Care Facility with very basic life-saving equipment more importantly is because it was such a rudimentary facility. They were focusing on me honor. They were working on me on a cot. Right and and there was a mechanical failure of the cot. So they were unable to lower it to the proper height to get the leverage needed to do CPR and it just so happened that the one person who could reach happen to be a former football linemen name private first class. S Tipton who weighed about 260 pounds of a six foot six damn, right and it was Tipton and Tipton alone who did CPR on a live victim for 15 minutes straight and for any of you who ever anyone's ever been exposed to doing live CPR, right? It's exhausting. Yeah. Now, you know, most people smoked after two or three minutes and tempting kept going for 15 the medical team pulls off this Ergo they get this faint pulse back after 15 minutes. They grab the cot. They start racing me out to the Black Hawk, which is running hot on the landing Zone getting ready to evacuate me to the green zone for more advanced surgery. But as they were rushing me out there they were greeted by my scalpel tune. And this is the experience that still gives me chills to this day that Scout platoon who is now being led by a young staff sergeant who had just lost both of their senior leaders, right? Stop that medical team right before they got to the Black cop and said, he's our Lieutenant. We're putting them on that bird. Nice. Damn. It was a good day. It wasn't your day. I mean it wasn't your day to die now man. Honestly, this was this whole experience. It was like one of those positive experiences. It was the most positive experience of my life is paradoxical is that may sound just because of these kinds of stories that emerge from right like the power of the human Spirit man. These guys took this took this stretch of they loaded me on the Blackhawk and with that they took control back. That was stolen from them from an enemy sniper. Just a few minutes prior. Wow, right the surgeon in the green zone executed a perfect vascular surgery the first time out the gate they administered over close to 30 units of blood to save my life. Your body only holds about six or seven. So I really I kept bleeding it out. They weren't you literally are new person got a little change. Here's the point right? Here's the point every single step. That medical evacuation process from the 19 year old medic on the ground to the nurse back at Walter. Reed was absolutely Flawless and I'm only alive today. Thanks to a mosaic of well LED teams a mosaic of leaders all of who chose to do. One more thing in the face of extreme adversity re Mosaic is a group of individuals working together. It's like a team salute you sir? Yes, sir. So before we change Focus, I got to ask you a crazy question and I want to know what you think. Think and again, I'm not trying to step over any boundaries and I don't think I'll ever be able to ask any other person on Earth this question. So what was it like to die? And and and when I say that I know I kind of when I get emotional I mean so far I've literally got goosebumps and I've actually had tears coming out of my eyes. This is a very powerful episode that we're doing it's amazing. And do you remember I mean, do you remember anything? I mean because You just told me and I want listeners understand this I was dead for 15 minutes. And this is the most positive thing that's ever happened to me. I mean are you insane? And I mean, I understand what you're saying buy it, but holy shit. So do you remember anything when the lights were going out? And I mean I'm saying this is respectful as I can. Do you remember anything? What was the last thoughts in your head? I mean, you know because people don't get this chance to I've never I don't know I'm probably never gonna be able to ask anybody this question again. Yeah. You know number one. I didn't have what I would call a traditional out-of-body experience. Right? There was no white light. There we go. Floating above my body, right? I don't remember the you didn't see Ray and see me with a breakout of your horse. I didn't see way with a shirt right? There you go, sir to all our listeners. We're sorry Ray is not as great as he thinks he is trying to lighten the mood because it is a very powerful thing, but I'm serious. Go ahead sir. I apologize. This is probably the most pivotal question that I've ever wanted. It took me 10 years to kind of get to this answer, you know and what I did experience and I'm talking about this precise transition point from life to death right as I was taking the last breath and consciously knew I was taking the last breath like a breath before that my very last and final thought was of my family threw up this silent thought that silent prayer, please take care of them. That was it, right which is interesting because in that Jay, I think you and I were talking around this around a campfire couple months ago and Arizona, but it again if we come back to kind of trust right? It's like imagine imagine the vulnerability of being a minute from Death right knowing you're about to die and and having no other choice but to but to Simply ask something much greater than ourselves to take care of our family, right and I was there too, but what I will say right is that that actually so this is what I mean by what is most important to us emerges in those moments. Like Jay. I know you had a similar experience with your family Tim Brown had a similar experience as a 911 Towers were collapsing. So I think that's important to remind ourselves of is this this love of family right this love of the Brotherhood camaraderie, but that being said with the with the last breath the only way I can describe that is a Feeling. Why of absolute and complete surrender to something much greater than ourselves and it was it was through that surrender. They came this overwhelming sense of peace. And this is the Paradox here. It wasn't like it wasn't like just all the bad things disappeared. Right? It was all the good things right all the good all the bad all the positive all the negative all of it gone and it was as if the spirit becomes part of everything and nothing. At the same time, right? So this is what I mean by the moment of my death was the most peaceful experience in my life. The challenge was I didn't know how to process that back then right? And this is really where the true journey of undergoing adverse experiences begins, right transformation and growth does not occur because of what happened to us. It occurs because of our response afterwards, right the journey afterwards to transform to understand our past into grow from it and Josh man, we could talk so much about just the incident and It happened in that operating room. I mean we could spend hours and obviously we try and keep the show around one hour. So what I want to I want to jump to that Journey because what you did is just absolutely amazing. But it also I think contributed to a little bit of what I call a life Ambush. So you like like me survive this real world enemy Ambush, and and and you you literally left out of it. I mean you you survived they sent you home they fixed you and Your sole Focus was to get back to your guys and get overseas and you made it back before the end of that deployment, but then you hit a wall. So I want to hear about that. You know, you were just moving you were you were trying to focus so hard on moving forward. You hadn't quite processed what happened and all the sudden it was the mental and emotional demons that reached up and tried to choke you out. You know, man addiction comes in many forms. You know when we hear the word Addiction we think drugs and alcohol, right but there's there's many different ways that we tend to innocently gravitate towards running away from our past. Even if we're doing it inadvertently, which is most often the case, you know, the thing about psychological trauma and adversity is that it's we've made a lot of Headway over the last, you know decade or so, but it's still highly stigmatized. It's highly over simplified. It's very much misunderstood. Stood and what I mean by that is when most of us think of psychological trauma or something like post-traumatic stress, we tend to think of it in terms of what are called hyperarousal symptoms meaning being anxiety nightmares night sweats being jumpy at loud noises, you know having to sit with your back to the wall against the restaurant right like this is what most people's perception of trauma is right the challenges especially inside the military first responder. Sessions these populations have been shown to display a much higher degree of resilience in the face of what we call traumatically life-threatening situations, right fear-based situation such as a gunshot or a firefight more resilience versus people outside of this populations. What's much more difficult to handle and gaining grasp of is the to other sources of trauma, right, which is called traumatic loss deal. The grief process of losing knows that we love and that we serve with and the second is moral injury, which is a stigmatized term in and of itself despite its accuracy. You know now when I say the term moral injury, some of us may jump to the conclusion of thinking that I'm talking about committing an egregious War crime and certainly that qualifies but that is at the far end of the spectrum. What I am talking about instead here is sources of guilt shame powerlessness. Betrayal that we all experience throughout especially in the modern operating environment. So the question is like what was it that was driving me as I was laying in a hospital bed to go back right? I was pulling Staples out of my leg with a Leatherman Multi-Tool. I was pulling documents out of my medical records. I mean there was nothing that was gonna stop me from getting back to my team. I can relate to that don't want to get back to the boys. Yeah. Yep, and that's that's like it's Not unique to me at all. Right as you were saying earlier. It's the question that I had to come to understand is originally I believe that I was trying to do that just to get back to my team right just to continue to serve partially to prove to myself that I could get back on the horse and still do my job as an infantry officer, right? Yeah. The thing that really emerged over time is that there was another side to that coin, right? And that was I Is being driven by guilt by shame. All right, and what I mean guilt is extremely complex again many different forms. For example, it's not like when I was on that medical evacuation flight back to the United States. It's not like every minute was a minute closer to home. It was a minute farther away from my team. And you know, when I was in the hospital despite how bad this injury was it was all muscular, right? I basically made a full recovery. And and I was one of the only people in that entire Hospital expected to make a full recovery. So one of the images that I will always remember and and honestly have no desire to forget it is I remember walking around a corner at Walter Reed hospital and I see this beautiful young girl in her early 20s pushing around her new double amputee fiance in a wheelchair and and it's an image that just riveted me. So like part of the not that I was experiencing here wasn't just because Marlon died and I lived right? It wasn't just a desire to get back to my team. It was a guilt surrounding my ability to heal when others couldn't right and that's that's kind of want to just the intricate things that the more that we learn about ourselves. Right the more that we have the strength the courage to dive in word and process our past the more things like that become revealed and and I know you guys are appreciate this. I refer to guilt and shame as being the Insurgency of the Mind Right. It starts like a form of cancer, you know at the beginning it's in stage 1 but it starts to subvert us and control our behaviors in ways that we might not be aware of. So right now I think man we have so many listeners right now there that are riveted, but I think it's really important to make this relatable to all of them because man You people go through all kinds of incidents. They've had all kind of everything from emotional trauma to verbal trauma to sexual trauma. And I know that's something you know you who we have talked a lot about this and this guilt that people carry to try and overcome these these often times physical mental and emotional wounds is it can devastate people and you are doing so much now to open their eyes with this and to help people through this through your incredible journey. So much show of what you told in your book The Beauty of a darker Soul. Can you help people understand? They're out there right now that are struggling that are what I call sitting on the X after some major event how that is relatable what you were talking about the Insurgency of the Mind. First of all, let's remember that that trauma and adversity doesn't discriminate right? It comes in many shapes and forms and it impacts all of us from every Walk of Life. So even though the nature of our experiences may be very different the emotions that manifest from them can be very similar. Right? So what I'm saying here is is that adversity is also very relative based on our current worldview and our experiences to me getting shot. Honestly like this is there's no bravado in this statement. It honestly was not it wasn't a big deal right as many people assumed it would because it looked like such as obvious event on the surface, but it was all the things that surrounded it the things that you and I experience in everyday life. Right? I'd much a much greater challenge navigating relationship barriers financial distress living with an incurable disease, right Crohn's disease being an entrepreneur and starting a business right? Here's the deal adversity. One of the Staples of adversity is that it's known for trapping us in our past. We we relive experiences today as if we were going through the adverse experience of the past. part of the thing that causes that barrier is is whether it's conscious or subconscious is is fear our bodies naturally drop back our minds they drop back into this protective state so that we can encounter adversity like that again and not be surprised by the challenge is when we want to innovate if we want to drive organizational change your driver teams to change we have to learn to disrupt asymmetrically disrupt the way that we think about our past and and this this is kind of the bottom line here is theoretically Lee right creativity is the inverse of psychological trauma. It's the inverse of adversity right and and the real strength comes from being able to to learn how to lean into ambiguity and embrace adversity rather than remain trapped in our past. And this is I mean, this is dead on the concept. I talked about with the life Ambush and get off the X. I mean so many people dwell they sit there. Overwhelm they dwell on their past they look at what they've lost and they're there they almost find comfort in the discomfort. They get it comfortable sitting in this guilt and this pain and it's really it's frightening to look at the future because they don't know where to go. It's almost like they get comfortable sitting there but you have to you will never move past it and and Josh I think that's exactly what you're talking about with finding that creativity to drive forward off the excess off this incident, right? Don so, you know, I got a question. What is Josh doing now? You know we talked about and make sure I say this right sir, asymmetric mind your company, you know, let's talk about some of the awesome things you're doing, you know you're and I obviously I know what you're doing, but you know, you're chasing a degree that is something that you have to talk about and it's amazing and me and Jason are kind of still trying to figure that out what you're doing with your degree. It's awesome and and talk about your speaking. I mean you're talking all these amazing companies and you got this great message. I mean tell the listeners. going on with Josh now, you know right on the it's difficult to train leadership on PowerPoint slides and we kind of hear so much about words like like trust and and yet what we really need is ways for people to understand how to build trust, you know, in order to feel it and one of the one of the parallels that I've made is actually help organizations understand how to build trust through the the lens of asymmetric Warfare specifically counterinsurgency, right and that may sound crazy. But the truth is today that in in in an Insurgency counterinsurgency environment success on that Battlefield isn't necessarily one through overwhelming Firepower and tactical superiority. It's one through trusted relationships with the local population. So the essence of this is that if we can build trust with with members of a local population in one of the Chaotic environments in the world what are the factors that go into that that can apply to the corporate sector right? And and there's an incredible parallel between kind of the theoretical orientation of asymmetric Warfare and what companies are doing with their Employee Engagement strategies that can help enhance organizational inertia and really start to drive that creative change needed to to innovate and overcome adversity Josh to better illustrate this to everyone out there because I know that for a lot of people and you know military were we're so guilty of using all these different terms and acronyms that people are like what so asymmetric Warfare counterinsurgency all these things which are foundational doctrines that really were brought about that helped us win. The war you are really affected some incredible change on the battlefield because of the way you did this so much so that you build trust with the local Iraq. He's that you got There and you made a difference you did things that some military units just weren't willing to do to really get out there and interact you're an incredibly smart guy you you were learning Arabic and you were using it you were getting out and what did the local start to call you as you built this trust because this is exactly an illustration of making a difference. This is asymmetric Warfare understanding that we cannot win, you know with a bat often times. It is our ability to convince someone that this way Way is better violence. Always the last resort man. If you can bring people together with compromise and a team, it will go so much further than trying to just beat them over the head kill them. Whatever. It is often times the Ripple effects of that. So tell me about this because it really does illustrate this idea of what we were trying to accomplish there and what asymmetric Warfare is yeah, you know, I know we're diving into a really complex topic here, right and I get that But yeah after about after about eight months or so like not not too long before I got shot. I learned that the Iraqis had a nickname for me called Hassan AA be odd, which which means the White Horse and in in the Middle East the horse is a symbol of Hope, right? And so it was a I was very surprised to learn that the question is, how do you how do you do that? Right God it is a story in this day and age where there's so much division. Yeah where I mean God look at our government right now. We're not willing to compromise where as you got out there and and you did it. So well that the individuals that saw us as Invaders called you the White Horse this symbol of hope. So I think this is a really important point for people that are trying to drive change and trying to lead teams especially teams that sometimes don't aren't Scene III. Well, you know, it may be helpful like Let's talk about what an Insurgency is. First of all, right. It's an Insurgency is a subversive illegal attempt to undermine or overthrow an existing government, right and and the challenge of in it for an Insurgency. Right? Is that in the beginning they are they are lacking resources right there lacking Manpower there under man is David versus Goliath, right? So if an Insurgency was Trying to overthrow an existing government. They have to start in secret right and in the beginning there are only survive through their secrecy the challenge for the military coming in right is that if the insurgents blend in with the local population if there's no way of distinguishing them then we have no way of distinguishing between friend and foe, right? So so the challenge is how do we in order to overcome overcome our enemy we have to be able to identify it. And in order to be able to identify it we have to get the intelligence necessary to find them and the only way that that intelligence comes through is by building trusted relationships with the local people. Now that may sound simple on the surface. But let's remember that insurgents. Don't play by the rules. They exploit they rape they torture they kill they kidnap. They will do anything necessary to stop the population from working with us right with the counter Insurgent Force. So in many cases, even if the local members of the population wanted to trust us which many of them did they couldn't write but because the moment we leave their town the insurgents would come in and start to exploit them, you know kidnap and torture and coerce them into not working with us. So we're dealing with you know, especially in that environment. We're dealing with these intense barriers to even beginning to build trust, right? So I mean overcoming that really begins with understanding the power of the human Spirit right human connection language acquisition, right learning Arabic. That was the most powerful weapon that I carried in the Middle East developing cultural competence. All of this is directly applicable to corporate settings right Josh. How do you do that? I mean, how do you make that relatable right now? Now to our listeners that are out there. How do you translate that? Because I know that there's so many people right now. They're like wow. So, how would I do that within my company right now? We're trying to do x y z. You know, how do I build these? Sure? I mean, it's an intricate process. It is a journey that occurs over time, right? This is something that unfolds over time. The point here is that in order what goes into establishing a trusted relationship, right? That is its it begins with a shared Mission and purpose write a clear understanding of why we're doing what we're doing. Agreed upon goals and tasks it focuses on the importance of expressing empathy right truly understanding the concerns of your local people within your organization finding out what's important to them and why and also expressing the humility humility to know that that it takes an entire ecosystem of people to make an organization Thrive, right? So those ingredients right all This comes down to building trust doing that in the face of a constantly changing Dynamic right which in today's world. Everything is becoming increasingly complex increasingly specialized. So the challenge is how do we how do we blend all of the efforts of all these individuals together and leave them towards a common goal great story. I'm just glad you explained what White Horse means because the definition I have white horse is something completely different. It's a street term trying to lighten it up. You know, I was thinking you were like some Cocaine or heroin drug pain over there. What I want to talk about is your degree in your degree is the degree of Consciousness? What and the hell? Yes a that, right? Okay, because it's a big word Consciousness. That's three or four syllables for the E man. I'm really I'm really proud of you. You said it so well go to hell I'm strictly speaking later. I love how you built it how you broke built it out and I watched as you notice how it went from the drug to drug king of all that actually that but you touched on each syllable with your fingers. You said it I had a counted out my question is one and I cannot probably relate to it. Why did you choose that degree, which I've never heard of before I had to look it up and to obviously I'm guessing it had to do with do we call it a near-death experience or we call it a 15 minutes death experience. I don't know. I don't know what the prayers no near-death about. I don't know what to call that stuff. So can you kind of elaborate on that sir? Yeah, so there's about 20 different ways. I could start to answer that question. So Consciousness one it. It does it makes sense for the dead guy to study Consciousness. Right? What originally maybe gravitate towards this is over the years doing more and more speaking. I get these really profound questions from people about wanting to understand the nature of life. Right? What does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be alive? What's the larger purpose in this whole thing? Obviously these these like impossible questions that we have and I felt like a responsibility not only to Them but to myself to think about this in a more structured manner that they can hopefully start to tease out some some deeper truths about the deeper questions. We're asking ourselves about you know, some of the most important questions surrounding life. So there's you know, when we talk about transformation as a whole there's there's there's like something in the air today collectively as a society that getting this hunch that People want more right? They there's this yearning to understand more about life as a whole approaching the topic of Consciousness philosophy cosmology mathematical cosmology. There's just some tremendous parallels that give us the capacity to think about the meaning of life in a much deeper way. That's probably the broadest way that I can answer that question. And you know what? I appreciate it where can people find you. Yeah best place is just hit me up at asymmetric mind. I'm on an asymmetric mind they could find you. They can find your book right beauty of a darker Soul. If anybody's out there and they've gone through any kind of physical mental emotional trauma. This is a great book Josh carries you through his journey rock-bottom climbing back out and really coming to understand what it is to be human and you know really to find your fullest new potential and I think that's critical everybody's looking for that. So Josh you crushed it Josh you're helping veterans. You're going out soon to speak at the end. National veterans Wellness event right on Yep. They're hosting a big event out there. That's one of the nonprofit's that I support. They just do great work out there and helping people transform. So hosting a big event here in a couple weeks out and Angel Fire New Mexico up in the mountain. Well, I definitely need to get a signed copy of your book. Every individual that comes on here that has a book. That's kind of a that's the plug. You can't do the show unless I get a signed copy from you. So I definitely got to get one. I'm definitely looking forward to this. This has been an amazing show. I mean geez You know, I've met a lot of incredible people Josh you and I have become friends. We've had some deep conversations. You are a incredibly intellectual deep thinker, which is really amazing and you were you were helping a lot of big companies. I mean you work for Tesla for a while. So now you're doing you're trying to reconnect with them, you're looking at companies in Silicon Valley and you're talking to them about these idea this asymmetric Warfare of the mind and how we can overcome it. And I think that's just incredible. You know your story 15 minutes Dad and come back and to be as deep a thinkers. You are I'm thinking that maybe we unlock some parts of the brain me when I got shot. I had two brain cells and when I came close it left me with about one and a half. So you you actually got better which is absolutely incredible. So we want to wrap up the show with the question. We like to ask every single person on this journey, that's cold. Of success Ray would you do the honors with our last question for mr. Joshua sir? Yes, sir. If you could give people three pieces of advice for Success, what would they be go? One thing that drives me is having a constant desire to pursue wisdom. It's almost not right to say acquire wisdom. All right, because it's arrogant if we do that right, it's counterintuitive, but the pursuit of wisdom. Is it everything so I'm constantly seeking To to learn more to push myself to new limits if I'm banking on my past experiences today that I'm irrelevant. So I'm constantly seeking to kind of disrupt myself and stay fresh not to mention that that also expands our worldview and and could potentially make our skill sets applicable elsewhere the other one, which I probably won't hit on as much because your audience should be very familiar with this but it is obviously establishing a daily practice J your expertise here both of you far more than mine, but adversity is For giving us the feeling that we are out of control of life in virtually any circumstance. There's always some things that we do have some degree of control over but that that starts here right that starts with us individually and leading ourselves first, you know through the pillars of self-leadership and then I guess finally the thing that has honestly emerged for me now as being more important than ever is seeking to really solidify your purpose and What you're doing, especially as an entrepreneur, I you know, when I when I left the private sector made the decision to start this company. It has been the most difficult two years of my life for a multitude of different reasons, and I'm literally I'm comparing this with a near-death experience right? I'm comparing this with all the other stuff going through the process of being an entrepreneur was the most difficult thing that I've ever done the biggest reason for that it took me a A lot longer than I thought it would to be able to really pin down a Clear Vision. Right a clear purpose that is tolerable to the private sector so short of having that purpose. There is this unanticipated sense of invalidation that came with it, you know, not a single day went by that. I didn't want to hide in a corner and cry that I didn't want to tap out that you know, but to find that strength to keep going is what's most crucial right? I believe you guys on the Civil side call this Segmenting right but it's like I'm reminded by a quote of Lieutenant General Howe more who is featured in the movie. We Were Soldiers played by Mel gives right and I had the real pleasure of seeing the real General more speak when I was a Cadet at West Point not long after 9/11 happened and one thing General more said that day that has always stuck with me is that regardless of the situation that were in regardless of the level of adversity that works? Rinsing there's always one more thing we can do to influence any situation in our favor. And after that there's one more thing we can do right and after we do enough one more things the opportunity starts to open up to achieve the original objective. I don't speak on anything that I don't personally practice myself, but that is a piece of advice that I've had to fall back on myself many many times over the last couple years to keep moving forward. Oh, yeah nice, man, and that's what it's all about getting off the axe. In forward understanding who we are what our purpose is. I love it Josh. So we're going to wrap things up with what we do which is our two-minute motivation. Our word of the day is what to rust rust. So Josh way we do this is each one of us takes one minute and we shotgun our thoughts on trust and a highly motivating fashion to fire up our listeners on how to implement this in their lives who's going first you want you want me to you want me to kick it off. You got it. Oh do you want to do? You look tired man, when you get what you gotta say, so I can backwards hat on backwards over there trust trust is the foundation of everything related in leadership. We must have trust with those we lead we must have trust in our teams and from trust comes communication our ability to tell others what we are doing how we're going to do it where we're going to go and when it's going to happen and it is trust in our people that we know they're going to execute it because it is what they do it is what teams are built on every single member of your team is a lie. Leader and as the leader of the team, we trust them to be leaders to leave the different components of what they're doing trust is the foundation that enables anybody anyone from small organizations to individuals to the largest organizations that are out there to be successful. So if you are listening to this trust in yourself begin to believe in yourself, and that will filter to others your trust will grow and you will find success. I'll go second. He kind of hit he copies a lot of what I'm thinking he has that Ability to do that. I read your notes ladies and gentlemen trust is the foundation where everything starts from not only do you have to trust in individuals because you have to you have to build trust you have to earn trust you have to grow trust with people. But you also have to do it within yourself. You have to believe in yourself. You have to trust yourself in order to trust others. You can't go through life, you know, just believing in one thing and not and nothing else you have to develop bonds brotherhood's friendships at all. All stems from that one word and that's trust you have to build that foundation with individuals because you never know doesn't matter where you are in life. Everybody has daily firefights. Everybody has daily battlefields. You have to know that the people that you're putting in that inner circle the people that saved your life when you were flat line for 15 minutes, you have to know that when the shit hits the fan when there's chaos, there's turmoil that the people that you have built these relationships with will have your back Sir. We're Leave it to what I would say probably the original OG goat of trust. Yeah, right on that was awesome. Right you look whether we're navigating through adversity in the present moment, whether we're transforming an organization to become better or whether we're trying to resolve our past trust is the single most independent variable single most important variable that's associated with a positive process of transformation. And that's the bottom line. Boom. I love it man. That was awesome. Oh, did I just steal your virtue? You know steal your coach you ever steal my boom. That's my I've got that trademark. No, sir. Oh, I've got to pay a royalty Frenchman their Chi. Yeah, that's there's something there. It's going to happen for that guy had this has been another episode of the Jr. Overcome Show episode 13 with major Josh monts out there asymmetric mines LLC author of beauty of a darker Soul. If you want to find out more about Josh go to asymmetric mind.com booking for speaking or any of his I'm leadership workshops. He is an amazing individual living proof that you can come back from some amazing traumatic events. So I want you guys if you believe in this show if you love this show go to the Jr. Overcome show website Jr. Becomes show.com and you can support us make a donation. You can support this show because hey man, it takes dollars to do this. We got the amazing producer Ryan and we are cranking these show that shows out. I want you to also go to ITunes go to iTunes. I want you to subscribe to the show and I want you to leave a five-star review. 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 Jason "Overcome" Redman and Ray "Cash" Care interview retired US Army Major Josh Mantz. Josh is the author of "The Beauty of a Darker Soul"  and founder of Asymmetric Mind Consulting. Josh has an absolutely incredible story of being KILLED by an enemy sniper in battle in Iraq in 2007. Miraculously, after 15 minutes with no pulse, an incredible medical team did the unthinkable and brought Josh back to life. Despite this incredible miracle, Josh spiraled down with survivors' guilt and depression before hitting rock bottom. He began a spiritual journey to understand the mind and how we as humans process physical, mental and emotional trauma which is captured in his book. Additionally Josh is now focused on helping others through his company Asymmetric Mind where he talks to medical professionals and companies on how to deal with and overcome trauma. We dive into the Word of the Day - Trust - and how this word drives Josh to make a difference. Fasten your seat belt and tune in to learn how the "White Horse" (Josh's nickname given to him by the local Iraqi's) was brought back from the dead! Find Josh Mantz on IG at @flatline07 and Twitter at @joshmantz - Find him online at www.asymmetricmind.com - Time to get your Conquer & Overcome on!

Where we blow your mind?Crackle Pop Pop snap crackle pop is hot hot Snap Crackle Pop Pop have a laugh tonight is going to be a funny episode Shanaya. It's gonna be a funny one. Are you gonna join us with fun tonight? Oh seeing you didn't hear me. Yes, that's funny.Oh the shade has begun. Hello everyone. Well Pastor Tony love you. We've had some good feedback from Australia from Asia where a people's been at. Yeah, let's go the Netherlands. Yeah, I'm gonna have to learn to speak Dutch go say it goedemorgen, which means good morning, which is so appropriate. Wow. Good morning prophetic as well. Good day. Rather. Okay. Why don't you introduce? I am Shanaya and And of course we have dr. Robin gases. Hi guys. Bastard, Tony Casas everyone in the third to this Trio because the worship leader the father a tree. Wow, I feel flattered joining us is a surname who didn't duck have I said it right nobody? Anyway, it's okay. We'll learn playing Holi. Hi, of course you are listening to you kidding. Oh my goodness. We believe in the miraculous power signs and wonders. Some people can sing something everyone can sing but not everybody Cecilia Oh not everybody can sing. Well, yeah. Okay Butte. Okay, because my Father in Heaven said, I know he knew that voice the sense that this worship time, you know, I was hearing myself sing cuz you know, you were giving you go getting a good critique from yourself which right like I had a close one year out. Like oh, I'm in harmony. I mean keep I think I think I you know, I think it's time. I think it's time. What do you make it you should get up there, you know, I think it's been long overdue. You know, my talent has really been undermined. I'm ready hit it. He doesn't he did it right. Come on Pastor Tony Perez. Tony getting deep, right the wills of the deep has been crying out Cries Out cries out today. It's been protected. Anywho, we've been look we've had such a good report some good feedback. Yes. Yeah, and you know people have been emailing in or they've been commenting on Facebook and other like Twitter and so forth the all the social media we on Twitter. No, no, but I'm pretty Get on that stuff. But yeah, it's good. We need to get on Twitter and the last two portals especially yes who use one of the pastor's words this morning. What was a first-rate job the charts Pastor Wendell. When was it this portals of been off the charts and we have to agree because the Lord's been downloading specially through Pastor Robin some key elements of the walk with the holy spirit. So true and true. Very thankful because everything at our church to our listening audience everything out our church for about a month now has been Holy Spirit Holy Spirit Holy Spirit and you can't get enough of the Holy Spirit. Remember, he's a river that never runs dry a fountain that never stops. Yeah. Jesus said water I give you will become in you of Fountain bubbling over into everlasting life. What a promise Hallelujah and I think to Justice It's in like the transformation that we're seeing within our own church family and church body across the world not just in our house here in New York City. But I mean, we've got people that you know aren't necessarily joining us as members of the church, but they come to our Bible study and they come to the seminars and they're just telling me like the feedback ever since I've started like, you know, giving the holy spirit that place in my prayer life and in interest in my daily interaction and conversation that they're Seeing their seeing such a change, so they're actually seeing the Holy Spirit Come. Yes. He's invited in and when it comes he you know, he activates. Yes his presence and when he activates his presence, you're going to see the signs of that activation. Come on. It's right and not the manifestation. However, oh, wow, I hit the wrong button. I meant to hit it. Whoa. Heroes well mystery button a mystery button, right? So we have a course another part of talking about the Holy Spirit but to we're going to introduce that when we come right back every time in the fire. I just left that one with a little bit more of a pitch Bend in the upper because I feel like my lower register has been really really overworked lately. I feel like all of portals agrees with me on that. Yeah, I'm sure every listener understood every word sure. That is it. I don't if you didn't it's okay. Okay, I can't so so Shen continuing. Sorry to interrupt interrupt. You know how we normally Greek people from all over the world. Right? Do you have some friends you want to say hello to think I think this morning and it is very early morning in New York City. I just want to give them I like I like to use words to paint pictures right? There you go. So we're out there at Times Square. It's seven degrees Celsius. It's about 4:30 a.m. There's a little bit of Sunrise coming over and it's just wonderfully wonderfully crisp. So all of you Saints who are listening to us, I just sort of let you know it's beautiful in New York. You get for actual Seasons. You don't get you don't get mixes like you do in other places and on that note. I do want to say hi to some friends in Argentina. Okay. That's a new one Argentina anywhere on your on our sites right now. We believe the Lord's going to start opening up Argentina. To our listening audience. All right. Wow, we should do this every week. We should claim prophetic friends to open up regions. I want to claim Sierra Leone. Oh, you know what fun fact if we go my won Acclaim Israel, come on, I'm claiming the Islam capital of Africa you're claiming the Jewish capital and you're claiming. I don't know what antenna. Yes you were talking. Then Sweden. Yes, and I won't compromise. Yes a whole cheese sells the Holy Spirit back on top everybody, right? Yeah, the Holy Spirit isn't about keeping it in one place. He's about expanding and pastor wants to talk about his work. Yeah, so maybe I'll just change that statement to see the Christians in Sweden keep praying. Praying. Mmm now I just want to bring out to you a question that I want to ask of you tonight and I'm asking even those that are on the panel. Oh in the hot seat. And so the first question is mmm. What does the Holy Spirit what hmm no fair. We don't have a buzzard to hit if now answer but now it will start your mind your brain ticking over because you will see The Obedience this and that and all these different things that talk about working and with him and such but I'll tell you what the Holy Spirit wants he wants room to work. Wow. Now what do I mean by that? He wants room to work. You have no idea how the Holy Spirit works. If you think he's instantaneous, he would be if we were all following after him and working with him. Wow, but we have to get mindset don't we have? Hatch change hmm. We have to let him Shen allow us to direction that takes time. Mmm. snap crackle pop so yes, we were Coming in. Of course Pastor Tony you are opening up and you have many references of how differentiating and we talked a little bit about this and I last portal about how the spirit was among individuals but not in them and you can you clarify those, you know through different passages in the different examples of the Bible. If you don't mind just sharing a few and it's a bit of radical theology. Only because I believe that the father is never been off the throne ever never is off the throne and so that our that begs the question well who spoke to Moses in the Tabernacle of meeting who whose whose presence was it in the the Temple of Solomon the Tabernacle of David? So and the only time the father is face-to-face with people. Oil is in Revelation Chapter 2 where it says that the Throne of God is now with men and the lamb and God and the lamb will be the light of the city. There's no need for sun or moon. There's no night. There's no tears. That's the only time that the father actually descends his always above everything else in the universe until chapter 22 of Revelation where he comes down and he Is into the new Earth and the New Jerusalem and that's when he dwells with man and says he shall wipe away every tear from everyone's eyes and you know, he will dwell among them. So up until that chapter that last chapter of what we would call human history. The father was always on the throne. He's always above everybody else including the Lord Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Yes. He remember he is the head of the family. Yeah, the father is the head of the family and we're told in 1 Corinthians 15 that Jesus is going to have all of his enemies placed under his feet. And then the Lord Jesus Will present that Victory back to the father. So that in the words of Paul. God will be all in all and that's the way it always should be God is all in all and so again, I don't know if I June is in the last portal, but there's been times when we've had god with us tonight teaching on the Sunday evening service was about Emmanuel God With Us and we talked about how literally Jesus was God In the Flesh with us and how John the Apostle said to the agnostics that were, you know contending with the flesh manifestation of God. He said I we handled him. We saw him we fellowship with him. We you know, we touched him he was tangible. He was flesh and blood and we touched God we lived with God. He made it an non, you know, it was unquestionable that Jesus God In the Flesh was a physical person and so God is with us right now Master through the church. Yeah, and that's possible only through the holy spirit because I said this this evening. God was limited by being in Jesus in only one aspect and that was Jesus was the one who was releasing the power and the Miracles and and the manifestations of the spirit of God. It was limited to the Lord and this is what he told the disciples it's imperative for me to go to the father. If I don't go to the father then I can't come and live in you all as as a body. So now you've got all these little Jesus has in every liver who's filled with the spirit. You know how Satan would hate that? Yeah, if the church could just grab the potential of that we would see a world changing movement in the church. And one thing you said and your your sermon tonight also stood out to me is that reality that Jesus like a man and just like us in a sense of you know, we have sent but we put him on this pedestal. Yes. Yes. Is nothing wrong with putting Jesus on a pedestal Bank, the pedestal is unrealistic. He walked as we walk and that's why he's qualified to take our infirmities. He's qualified to do all these things because he experienced it. Hmm as a man. Yes, and that's why you take his word as being the truth. It's real. Yeah, when he says he knows what you feel. That's exactly what he does. And what really challenges me is that you know, we look at his relationship with the father and we think our that was special that was just for Jesus especially now that he lives in us we can replicate that walls him. It's him in us. He's the one who prompts you to get up before Dawn and pray he can one of these prompts you to fast. He's the one who prompts you to watch him out. Wow, so spirit of God in us. So and again I have I want to The Lord Jesus as much as I possibly can but as far as his Humanity was concerned every Miracle. He was relying on the Holy Spirit. Yeah, every time he raised someone from the dead. He did it by faith because that was his choice to do that. Yeah, and we need to understand that that was his choice to take that off. Yeah and not wear it on this Earth and that really brings the greatest qualification. In for Jesus Christ to be able to say that you mean what do you mean by take that off his deities deities yet take his deity off his like taking the coat off. You never used it. He never used it. Yeah, it never used it because if he used it, he would not be able to associate with What man does on this Earth, but he is such a person. God the second man in the God hate ya walked as a pain. Yeah, and the second man the second man in the godhead the Lord. Jesus had to rely on the third man in the god. Whoa. Remember Jesus said everything he did was to glorify his father. Yeah, so that's why he couldn't use his DD because that would glorify the sun. That's right. It was whoa everything you did damn it. Route was to glorify his father every word. He spoke every word. He spoke. He said the words I give to you. They were spoken in my hearing by my father and he always looks I do in front of you are the works that I see my father doing and he doesn't count any didn't come to promote anything about himself. Yeah, that's and that's why he walked as a man. Like you said, he would have been you know, emoting himself had he done this but you see walked as a man for that very purpose for that very purpose so that we would feel and he would feel the same thing. He didn't sin. No, he didn't sin that. He felt the pain. Yeah, he felt the pain and the Holy Spirit. Was filled him to the fullness. Yeah, because he put aside his God leading his godliness. He's godliness. Yeah, and what's funny before we go to break is I remember you teaching one time Pastor Tony when the enemy came and tempted him and you said that tonight. It's funny how the moment after the Holy Spirit, you know rests upon him and feels him from the dove to let now being inside of him the first thing that he sent to To do is to stand Temptation against the enemy and to a they basically you know fight the devil what when you mention that and I know as we're going into our break this will cause you know topic for thought the enemy never was, you know, debating the fact that he was the son of God. He was actually saying use your power as the Son of God, but do it outside of the father's will so he was goading him. Yeah goading him to use his However, and not rely upon the holy spirit, I just got what you just said. Yeah, she gonna come back and repeat that say it before we go on break. You gotta say it one more time. I said the devil was goading him to use his power to prove who he was and not relying not rely upon the holy spirit like that. I can tell you what Jesus knew the plan. Anne and he knew the Holy Spirit was going to show the devil. Who's who? Oh my goodness y'all go take your coats off because we know it's a little cold in New York right now snap crackle pop. Here we go. Go take your coats off for a minute, you know, so this can land in the right places and we'll be right back. Hey guys. Want to hear God speak to you personally, then join us here at dipping night. It's every first Monday of the month at 7:30 p.m. To find out more information or to RSVP. You can visit us at dipping night dot torque. And why c.org? Hope to see you there. We're gonna go back in. Cuz it's too hot too hot too hot. Just turn it down because I would thank you. I just had a rhyme for that. But anywho, well go for it. Let me want to go back and see it again. Yeah, please and I never used a lie against Jesus as the enemy. He actually used the truth. What did he use the truthful? He used the Choose to try and go to him in to picking up his power as the second man of the godhead. So use his power and not have to rely on the holy snow the whole new spirit was the one was going to promote him pasta. You said they did in the sub portal as we were coming in the break. That's why the enemy said to Jesus what what? Did you quote that scripture? Well, it's translated in the Temptation if you are the Son of God, but no recording you are the correct translation should be seeing that you're the son of John. Why don't you do something as the Son of God and make these Stones bread, you know jump off the peak the peak of the temple, you know, if you bow down to seeing that you're the Son of God in other words you were trying to get him to move independently of the of the god. Hit yes, and he wanted sorry and he wanted the Holy Spirit not to be able to promote him. Yes. That's what the devil wanted. But Jesus knew he knew the enemy was trying to goad him into a position just like, you know in the old to use your power. Yeah use your power independent from the other two if you remember the account, I think it's in Matthew that Matthew says After the devil had left him because he overcame that temptation is then we're told Angels Came and ministered to him. So he did rely on God in the end sustain him and I don't know they might have given him, you know angel food like they did Elijah, you know, the angel cooked the best of bread for Elijah and his church. I want to really really really important about that the devil didn't use a lie. Come on say this say this used to And sometimes the devil not all the time. Sometimes the devil use true facts facts and they not truth. But the true facts oh because the difference between the truth and true facts. I gotta break this vocabulary down and in what way so he said see you on the Son of God. Yeah. He was stating the facts. Come on. Why didn't you show? Show everyone. Come on. Yeah use your power. You should power and the devil will say the same to us. Don't wait for the Holy Spirit. No do it get into Works into religion independently. Yeah, I did dependent and I want to take another step further because I'm all about the process. This was at the point where the Holy Spirit words was ready to expose who Jesus was. To the world. He had just been anointed by his father with the spirit. And now after he goes into the Temptation he comes out and he's Ministry begins. So Shanaya when we get to that point of where the Lord wants to reveal who we are to the world our position to the world the enemy's tactics changed. He doesn't throw lies at you. He throws true facts Jesus because the enemy can't The truth he can only talk true facts. Wow, and you know the thing is that we need to see this you see because the enemy will always go - in to working independent of the Holy Spirit. We're true that and then we can work into works. Yeah the form of religion and performance. And goals and standards. Hmm and then we'll just come back into the lore again. We don't want that. But what we don't understand is the reason why the holy spirit moves so freely in the Lord was that there was no resistance. There was no You know, we're told in electronics that you know copper wire when it's thicker or when it when there's multiple strands. Excuse me. There's less resistance in the in the cable to the electric current. And so the more resistance you get because of impurities of the material it's harder for that electricity to flow. Jesus had zero resistance. He had zero self-interests like that. They just landed in and the Holy Spirit It could just freely flow. It wasn't that he was you know privilege to have a supernatural faith. That was that he had emptied himself so much that God could flow through him 100% without 1% of resistance interesting. What you've just said. Yes. Can I give her a divorce so far ahead because Jesus never had voices talking inside him. He only he had them having a go outside. Oh my so that that is the only if you want to call it an advantage but a uniqueness that Jesus had that we can't have because of the sin Factor. Okay, I was about to say I need to clarify. Yeah because of the simple fact some of the some of the Saints who have gone by previously like they had powerful healing Ministries. They you know, they had ministering Angels turn up. They've had flames of fire in prayer meetings. They've had wonderful things happening and because they learnt the art of not resisting what the spirits doing and boy, this is something we can all really learn from and he's out it absolute prime example the Jesus because he didn't have to keep bringing everything into subjection because he didn't listen to the devil the Never The devil never got past the outside my God, which brings us to another point that we brought up tonight at the end, which I thought it really fed my soul, which was passed the rub instead of comment on the way home after after one of our sessions and we were chewing it over as a family and then we started to expound on it more. She said, you know favor Without Authority will come to an end and then I ever had I'm gonna I'm gonna elaborate and then she said this statement. She said favor from God is there to grow you into your Authority not not to make you an indulgent addict. And so what that means they were talking about how Jesus didn't use his own power, but he stood in the authority and he relied on the hole Lee Spirit God can give us favor in the circumstance in a situation in an area but that is to grow our Authority come to stand and let the Holy Spirit take his place to have that perfect work within us. Here we go. It is not to let us stay in the state of having to be given it all the time. No, you know Pastor Robin said tonight. Jesus said all authority. He has been given unto me and I give it unto you the church. And so the when the when they were talking about this tonight the Holy Spirit spoke to my heart and he said Nathan I'm not activating you to remain a victim try. I'm activating you to get up and go. Yeah, you know, we talked about the ghost solution. And so if we don't get out of being disempowered we are actually a working against the nature of the Holy Spirit within us because it says the Holy Spirit came upon them in boldness. So his nature is to empower you with boldness. So if you don't live in that Authority Shanaya, you're actually counter working against his nature within you you're not living in the nature of who he is you're living in a false identity because you can't have his power. And not take authority. You can't have his presence and not take authority can have these power without his presence it and you can't have his presence without this power inside of it comes down to us working with. Yep and come back again. Yeah, what did again let's ask again. What does he want? Yep, he wants room to work room to work. And to activate yeah that which he's been given to do. So would you say Pastor that as we as we wrap up this segment when we are given the favor of God, it's allowed for a time to find that room for the Holy Spirit to work. Yes for the for the for the time well the time but then we have to move from just living in favor constantly being given to us and working with Holy Spirit growing up and saying Holy Spirit right now. I'm going to release and allow you to release the authority of Jesus in me to take authority in this situation. I think that this is something we should explore why first thing that he was out we get asked to do is cast out demons. We need to find out why we were told the first thing as a sign of being a believer. Filled with the holy spirit that we cast out Devils that we deal with the Enemy taking our Authority is the first thing he wants us to do my God, we're gonna cuddling through break. Yes, wait, she wants a gym before her brain will let the gym settle assemble it to another break will be back. Hi, everybody passed an 8 here and boy are we excited to invite you to a new event that we have happening on Sundays at 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. The new Bible study that starting at talk called connecting the dots. This is going to be a great way for you to come connect the dots of your faith reintroduce yourself to the Bible or introduce yourself to the Bible like never before Pastor. Tony will be leading this class. You don't have to come to every class you can drop in also it will Recorded and available later on on talk TV. So we're excited to take this journey and for you to come on this journey with us. We'll see you there Sunday at 3 p.m. We didn't want to waste any time you want to go straight in because of course our sub portal is getting hot. So Pastor Robin. You post a question. Why is it that this might be a good cast out your speakers cake because he came to destroy the works of the devil and you see he's given you that authority to destroy the works of The devil and if if you're not using that Authority in the name of Jesus with that Badge of authority that is given to you. And now if you won't do that, you certainly won't work with what he's given you also is the Holy Spirit to activate that Authority in your life. And so you have to be so careful because the devil will put you in the the same test to prove. Yeah. Yeah independent. Yeah independent of the holy spirit that you are God's son that you are God's son. You've got to be Discerning. Yeah, very Discerning. Yep, and you don't follow at facts that are true. Mmm, follow truth. Mmm. And you see Holy Spirit Will promote the church. Yeah as Gods you don't have to promote it. But you do need to use the authority that Jesus has given you and more work with the Holy Spirit to see those demons leave your life. He came for that purpose. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil and we his family should work with the Holy Spirit to see that activated in our lives and then activate it in other people's lives. Wow, we Do that. No, we don't we don't do that and that's because we believe the lie hmm, we believe the lie that sometimes the devil is our friend. Well, I'm Pastor Tony you were saying that part of the reason to that the Holy Spirit, you know causes us as the first sign of being filled with the spirit and having that a power in that Authority. Is to cast out a demon is because it's a direct assault on the kingdom of darkness explain what you were meaning by that only in Deliverance or confrontation among say this evil spirits would be it you like strongholds over cities like principalities Powers. So forth only in confronting them directly. It is a direct assault on the kingdom of darkness when you cast a demon out of someone out of believer, you've gained two Tory away from the enemy and this is why a lot of churches are tricked and I use the word tricked their fooled into not engaging Deliverance Ministry. I see and sometimes Satan will it will in a sense allow it to keep them focused on say healing and it's not that healing is bad but healing doesn't take away as much territory as deliverance and this is is why a lot of Deliverance active churches tend to struggle a little more with you know, like quick Church growth because a lot of people get uneasy about you know demonization, you know, do I talk to the devil how much you know power does he have how much power do we have as he leaves Mark 16 Mark 16 verse 17 says and these signs will follow those who believe First Sign in my name they will cast out demons. Now. Why would Jesus say that first? Why would he say that first? Why didn't he say in my name? They will heal the sick guy won't because that was his mandate to come and destroy the works of the devil. Everything else comes into that line when he said healed the sick he saying get those Devils out get that. Healing in yeah. Wow, you see what I'm saying? It was his mandate. That's what he was said to do. And that's what he worked with the Holy Spirit to do when he was on this Earth. And so he goes to heaven said so Holy Spirit back and we should be doing what he did. Come on. That's that's the that's really what the Reformation was all about. God started bringing back the anointing of the spirit to the It's started by restoring truth. But now we're in that age where the truth has been restored. But now the power has to be restored. Wow. So I keep saying addressing the enemy directly either through Deliverance or casting down strongholds over people or cities or nations is a direct assault on the kingdom of darkness in this is why we come against backlash when you're trying to address an enemy that still has legal access to you in that field. You're opening up a door for backlash, you know, you know, you can't come against a lying Spirit if you had like I say this come against us a spirit of theft, you know, if you're stealing, you know, little things Pleasant you break that get it under the blast you break one part of the law, even though you know, but you're guilty. You've all alone. So we understand that principle. So when two or more are gathered and they're addressing the kingdom of darkness, the the potential of backlashes is reduced dramatically because we can make up for our brother or sisters weakness. And so collectively when the whole body in a city and one day we'll see this when the whole body of Christ in this city is on the same page in addressing the principality over the city. Going to see whole City's turning to Christ. Another aspect of a direct result on the kingdom of darkness is is saving Souls saving Souls the direct assault like that's taking him out of some where they're taking him out of hell. So again, we're going to see the restoration of you know, those two things in a dramatic way as we head towards you know, the And thank you Lord for his grace. And I want to add something here that you were talking about what that we talked about to with the connecting with the dots today. We even see this to do with the power of the Holy Spirit after the upper room experience. See they wanted to keep it in the family. Hmm, you know, and God uses the persecution of the church turns it up. The holy spirit says right because they had all come in one place to meet you know, and they have this great experience this great impartation and in filling of the Holy Spirit and then the Temptation is to stay in Jerusalem, and now keep it in the family, but the Holy Spirit burns up the persecution so that they're scattered because he's saying now it's not just about the one unit anymore. It's about letting all men All Nations all tongues come into this family of the Gospel, you know what I'm saying? And that was the mende exactly. That was the Mandate that the Holy Spirit got from The Lord. Yeah, bring back fill them all and send them for. Yep. That's what he called them to do. Yeah, and so we just want to build shelters castles. Yes. Yes, we won't so what else where they want to build but we want to build big big man made buildings and keep Mega the holy spirit in those. Yeah. Yeah, Holy Spirit won't be kept in any of them. Yeah, and I'm telling you right now. He's got a mandate and he won't die vert from that mandate because he got it from the father and the son and he will do what he was called to do which brings us to the point that I see those even now we're talking as the holy spirit is revealing to me. I have a say this right stop despising persecution because persecution gets you in touch with your Authority. If you're being persecuted, you're being forced to stop playing on the fence and take. I'm being persecuted and they've go from being milk-fed babes to now having to fight that having to fight. Well, that's what happened to the children of Israel. Exactly. They had to come out of Egypt bondage and then be fed by God Manner and they would have lived on that manner and walked around in that Wilderness forever because man does that but the Holy Spirit wanted them to move on and they wouldn't move. Move on and so he had to get them to a place where more was revealed. Yep. And So eventually guess what the Manna stopped. Yeah. Yeah, the Menace stop the quail stopped and then they had to learn when they cross to the promised land to grow their own fruit. Mmm. Otherwise, they'd starve. Mmm. And I told a sermon once about the Prophet Elijah and how he conquers all the prophets of Baal at Mount Carmel and you know, he has this greatest Victory and then he goes into a cave and hides and it's because he took his eyes off what God was doing and he put his eyes back on him but not going to go into that. But at the end of that sermon what I said was we don't realize but your Jezebel's are actually elevating you to the next level. They're pushing you to go further than you would have gone without their persecution because Elijah through that whole experience actually drops the servant that he has and picks up Elijah. Yep. The one that he should have had from the beginning and Begins the Mandate that God said for him to finalize his ministry. So because he was persecuted. He got engaged with the right part and there that choice he could fulfill His mandate. Yeah and give Elijah the double portion Jesus. It's all about mandates. Doesn't it becomes all about that. The Mandate does not about math menu. What is the word manifesting by MIT about activation and mandates? Hmm. They work together with the Holy Spirit. Wow. We have a mandate to let the Holy Spirit. Activate things in us that Jesus Jesus Paid the price for are we allowing this to happen? So are we allowing the holy spirit's mandate to activate even in the persecution that we're facing everything. Oh my goodness. So we want to make sure that our listeners recognize the difference between a mandate in a man's date because the Holy Spirit don't activate off of that. So not only way we'll be right back. Hi everyone. We are excited for the soap All Season to commence with life-changing courses that will deepen our relationship with Jesus starting Saturday, October 5th. Dr. Robin. Cassis will kick us off with counsel by God. This course is so powerful to help heal emotions and memories and learn to let Jesus be the wonderful counselor of Our Lives you will be renewed with hope and Life as we learn to let God turn the scars into Stars sign up now by visiting soap and why dot-org Antonius and quantanium instantaneous instantaneous instantaneous a spontaneous. No, no, it's heinous. In fact, it's a lie and a heinous crime. Yeah, you know if I'm a Suspect. If your instant you want it now, if you are spontaneous, you learn to go through the door of the spirit. Yeah, which means he determines the timing which Chambord right a very interesting thing that separately discussing our sub portal. What's the difference, you know with people think that if they're persistent, you know and persisting and moving the hand of God, then they'll get an instantaneous answer. But what we were talking about past the Robin was and I remember I heard another preacher bring this out to do with Naaman and how he was told go wash in the Jordan River seven times. Mmm. He wanted it the way he wanted it how he wanted it where he wanted it. He just wanted his diet for see on this site on this skin gone. Yeah, but there was a whole lot more being washed away. He's either Holy Spirit exactly and so we don't realize but I believe just as this preacher brought out. I believe that the Holy Spirit It the seventh Walsh was just the final result. And that was the physical ailment of leprosy going. Yeah, but the other six washes we're getting rid of the leprosy of the heart. Yep true. And that said he didn't see and that's the domino effect again hit one and knocks them all down. If you ever believe the Holy Spirit only ever does one thing you're believing a lie. So that means that means he's a let me finish that one because you might ask him to come in to a role in your life that you need activated whether it be work. I bet family where it whatever it be you married whatever it is, but he has potentially activated every role. He is ready to move. Move on every situation using every role that he's been called to move and use so to bring us back to what SHINee was asking being persistent. You can be persistent for 10 years. You can be persistent for 20 years. You can be persistent for one day. That means this is the system for one minute doesn't that is what means it doesn't determine the time frame in which you get the, you know, we're determined to your A heart frame instantaneous, you're determining the time frame. Yeah being persistent. Oh, wait. Wait, let me wait. Let me drop it. That was so good the heart frame. Yeah the hot frame my what you see here. That is powerful. What are you dreaming your heart do what we named this portal which is all about the third man in the fire. You said when we are allow the Holy Spirit to move through our I was with the spontaneous way that he moves he activates all the roles and that makes him past the tone in time on this the third man in the fire because he's not separate. He's in US explain what you meant by that tonight. Everybody's familiar with should be familiar with Shadrach Meshach and Abednego the friends of Daniel or what's the other name? You gave him tonight rock music and away we go and away we go like that one as you eat as as you may recall The Story Goes the king of Babylon ordered everyone in his realm to bow down to the you know, the golden image and these three young men Daniels friends refused and they were quite you know, defiant, you know, let it be known To You O King they said that whether the God our God delivers us or not and he's able to we're not going to bow down to your dumb Idol. Wow, that's some courage right there and you need turned up the heat I'm stronger and as they with casting them into the furnace, the the soldiers who had them under arrest died because of the heat got a little bit more than heat exhaustion though. Holy Spirit exhaustion the Dido it was soon after that that the king noticed there was a fourth man and it You know Jesus yeah in there in the fire with Cedric Meshach and Abednego not allowing them to even have a hair one hair on their head singed. Yeah, and that was enough to convince the king that the god of Israel was the supreme god in a new testament concept. There is no fourth man. I'm on say no because the Fourth Man of that particular fire is in us. That's right. Can I say who? Is Father Son and Holy Spirit Church? Yes. So the Fourth Man In The Fire for us is the third man of the godhead Holy Spirit. Yes, and so if a site New Testament was thrown into the fire of these three friends of Daniel Christ is in them. They are not they would not be burned. You wouldn't see another man. Because the third man the holy spirit in them. Yeah, you know and it's kind of like how Daniel came out of the Lions Den. Yep. I've said tonight as an example. They tried several times to kill the Apostle John one of the ways that the emperor tried to kill him was to boil him live in a vat of oil not John's soup and John Hsu Peter's fish. As the as the oil boil not a not a bit of his skin or his clothing was affected. He didn't even feel a thing and I think in frustration the emperor, you know, Push them up push them out to the island of Patmos. Yeah tried to kill him off today moss and just tried to shut his voice and him chop him up do everything. So God. He did, you know Exile him to Patmos because that's where he got the Revelation. It was like a big, you know prayer closet he was alone. He was as isolated and all he did was going to Spirit every day and one day he that's when I was in the spirit on the Lord's. It's day. So for us by the grace of God, the third man of the godhead lives in are some on he's always with us and because he's in US you wouldn't see another person in the flames and therefore, it's the Holy Spirit Church. This is the temple he lives. Yeah, this is the temple he lives in if I'm a pastor I brought up tonight about when Jesus confronted Saul of Tarsus and see Saul Saul. This was good. Why? Why are you persecuting me? Hmm But when you read the chapters before that saw wasn't persecuting Jesus, at least he thought he wasn't persecuting Jesus directly. But Jesus made it very personal you touch one of my science. Yeah, you're touching me. Why because I'm in my sight. Wow. This is why I love Jesus. Let me say it's like a come back to you. And this is a download to upload to you. Come on right now portal with the difference tonight. This is the download to upload to you right now. Those are there in the room and those that are hearing that the holy spirit is moving the moment you pray. Hmm. But You prayed a well around one situation Come On Come On Moving On 10 situation multiple and you will only recognize it when you see what you prayed activated that things are being activated all through that Prayer by The Power of the Holy Spirit. Even man, I can't see you as you're kicking. The portal is about to close the mission are no no, you just said wow, then we put God into that limited scope and then blame him when we don't see the activation coming. Holy spirit's way. Right because we don't see him working in the way we want to. Yeah, but in another man's and Aeneas way. Yeah focusing on the Mandate, but in another man's date on the working of the Holy Spirit Come on him yet. I don't know why you keep it coming up with this see in the studio. Nice. Nice mind is talking by placing his forehead on your face. S of the microphones that it's late we have to do things like reading I'm speaking the inner thoughts and Shania nice is giving a messenger Facebook, / whatever that social media. So it's on the record guys out there in podcast land and why are you listening to this crazy bunch? The holy spirit is leading them to pass the time. Don't forget your friends. Yeah. Yeah because we got truth. That's right. He's leading us to truth about Jesus's words, right? And he will lead you into truth about Jesus as well. Do it with humor and I'll do it with Bond and he's kind of boring. No, he won't. Why is this world going to be boring? Why can't we laughs none of my morning talking about Jesus? Let me come on. My life is not boring. No, I don't know from one day to the next where I'm gonna be. I'm trying to tell you what I'm saying. That's right. I'm still trying to figure out my name either. The Holy Spirit has so many roles. Yes. So many names. Yeah, and you would go round the bend trying to catch up with all those names and all those roles that have been activated in your life. When you activate the Holy Spirit. He's activated come on fullness in presence and in power you just don't see your activation of your prayers. Straight away. So you just think it's not working and I'm listening. Oh, but then six months down the road between the evidence When You See 20/20 answers to that one prayer. Oh, wow, right and then want to be shocked about it. Oh, you have to call it out. Come on. Yeah, we really hold on it. Even though I crushed it all the way along right up and taming thought the accuser has one daughter left me. I'm not I'm the first one. I've done this man. We've all done it we've all done but the Holy Spirit wants in another role you were talking about the holy spirit's role and what he wants another thing that he wants to church to be activated in what their men date. hi, Mom, and so And so as he holds back the enemy from coming foreign, he wants the church to use their Authority so he can fulfill fulfill the Mandate of Jesus to destroy the works of the devil. Wow, they go wow. I kept it down. I'm stuck under this table. I don't know what that could include out talking. No, no the moment. It's not releasing this. So you mean portaling or you mean this episode because are we going to do another episode on are we gonna do a few more minutes? Okay, praise God. Well, let's go to a break shannan has come back and ride and assessing Holy Spirit into your life. Good night. Thank you, though. Hi, everybody pass tonight here again. And I am thrilled to announce the official launch of Skype dipping on this means dipping night has gone International. That's right. Even if you're outside the New York City area you can now be blessed by the prophetic Ministry of this house. Look God is speaking to everyone and we want to give you the opportunity to hear what God is saying regardless of location. So go to our Facebook page look for the tab on the side that His prophetic appointments and sign up for your appointment now everyone should he what God is saying to them and have the chance to share that with the world? Why don't we blow your mind it every time. I'll look at with me on ride and you had a whole little so I think we got to get these men save we keep saying is in the house, right? So we're gonna dive Bert a little bit from the authority and go back to what the Holy Spirit wants we talked about. How in the previous portals also we talked about who he is. We talked about the how to activate him now. We talked about the why he's important, but now we really want to get into what does he want he wants room, but do we want to give him room because we want instantaneous and sirs flesh is burning you pray. You pray, you know the power of the Holy Spirit. Okay, you're on side, but who's not on side in the prayer you prayed they had to get on side. He's he's not gonna wave a magic wand. Yeah, you ask for a promotion at work. He's got to get the boss on the side. He's got a channel the heart. He's got a move people out of the way. He's got a change policies in The Firm he's got to do so much and you just want I asked for a promotion. Oh, my lord said, where is it? Wow pasta what you're saying is so true. We think that the Lord will change the laws of the Yeah, just for one instantaneous is very selfish of us to ask for instantaneous answers because we don't realize there are more people involved in the answer coming more than just us. That's what we have to see and when my God seeing it there was no instantaneous answer with Jacob and Esau. Oh, yes ever asli, it's point out. Yes. Yes. They did one sold the birthright. Yeah, the other gave it up for a pot of porridge the other took it. Yeah, because he knew the power of it. He had been trained and conditioned by his mom. He knew the weight of it their blessing of being the first born but it didn't get played out. Lee know until he had to wrestle with God and it's funny because Esau you said you no one knew the weight and one didn't know the weight and therefore he did give it up. And so what you were talking about to do with what you just said, my mind was blown by the gem Tell me which one was so many. I just had a I just had a mind blank Holy Spirit bring it back. Yes about what was the gem that she just dropped? I just said it had to be played out. Now before that before that. I said that instant about assistant Esau wanted an instantaneous answer questions. He gave away his Birthright. I'm hungry feed me feed me and let me just say Pastor said last night at you know, Church in Sydney as we would ministering to them over a live stream and he said he said do you think it was the only bit of food come on in in the cab? Come on. All he had to do was get up and walk into the other part of the Camp and Yo the refrigerator and pull out something but no know what he wanted. Was all set up for him. The enemy said it up through his brother. You know, what give him his favorite food? He'll give it up. Yeah, the scene was set. There's something think it was sick. So when the scene is set, Holy Spirit comes into it and he has to sort it out. So what you're saying here? Is takes time move people when we won an instantaneous answer we are bought working with the Holy Spirit and giving him space to work because we want it now and it's a selfish thing because we don't see who he has to actually move upon because it's more than just us involved in getting the answer. Definitely. Definitely Jacob wanted his Birthright, but he didn't see that doing what he did would affect the generations to come. We see the same cycle repeated with Joseph Sons where you know one will serve the the older will serve the younger younger will serve the older and it created like this this war so he didn't see that his actions affected their Generations. It's actually like a set of dominoes, you know, I've ever played dominoes you put the No, just you set them up in such a place together like that when one hits. They all start to come down till there's none left and I don't say how long the holy spirit is going to take to do that. Yeah, if you got to give him the room you got to give him the room and are our belief systems. He's got it coming. Yes, there are mindsets. He's got a breakdown. There are traditions of men. He's got a deal with there is unbelief that he's got a breed to it and And then bring faithful word. I'm telling you you just see it as an instantaneous answer these and he will never do something instantaneous until until he's got everyone working with him. Wow, in which would probably take a while because we often time to time. Yeah, we often time happy made. It doesn't you know cooperate and let alone yeah male workers just a little bit of time. Madman is just stop listening to God all the time member the Mandate not a mandate that we don't like that word. We pray I want to ask because I know people going to be asking me this after they hear this portal will can I pray that that person's heart be aligned with the Holy Spirit. Of course, you might be getting a light turned on you actually see there's more than you involved and then you begin to pray and deal with things and take authority and work with him instead of doing all the work. So you mean our prayers become more focused than just how it affects us. Definitely Lord give me this promotion because I really deserve it. I really worked hard and I really want to serve your kingdom Lord give me this promotion because I know that you know, you're building my name and you're building this family's name and you maybe even want to move that person out because your blessing them as well. That's all and that's Lord Holy Spirit. We want to work with you. Yes. Yes. I want to be praying for that person's had to change. I want to give you the room. To move in this and bring glory and promote the the name of Jesus high in this man's heart. Wow. You just man. Let me get a job. I'm at a loss of words right now because all of that just landed in such a way of, you know, just switching that from an instantaneous thing because we all know instant things instant results don't go out character. The garage habits the thing that we talked about in our last portal, you know and shit coffee doesn't taste good it does and you know Shania it would take so much pressure off as yeah, come on. Yes much pressure office. If we cast our cares upon Him, you know and let him take the cares of this world office, right? If we cast our cares upon him. We wouldn't be carrying the pressure. People we would be working with him. We would be working with him as he works in US. Wow to bring about the father's will in the whole situation. So let you finish. So for a practical question of thought or at least trying to train the mind set in approaching this is it fair to ask like for instance you want your family safe. Lord why do you want my family's a versus I want my family safe so they can add back act better towards me or no. No, let's go and find out who he is. Now we done this before. He's the counselor. Yeah. He's the convincers. What is the only Council us and convinced the only Channel out my lords, right? Hit the gym button Jesus it does. He only do that. Does he only woo us He that means he's not as powerful. He's not as powerful. Come on. He is he can channel the man's heart bow the way of God. Yeah, and it doesn't even mean to be a believer. He can do it. He couldn't do it. If you work with every position every role. He plays in your life. You can see results quickly are not in Instantaneously, come on Jesus. I like that. That was a good gym. You can see results quickly but not instantaneous. And that means you said you said let's be practical. So you want them guide it then you work with the guy that you want them changed. Then you work with the one who changes right? If you want them convicted then you work with the one who can Vic's mmm if you want them convinced work. With the convincers. Yeah work with the one that was you your heart can with a heart. This is what you need to do to see he wants room in all these roles that he plays in our lives to do something to bring to pass the activation of his presence in the situation. Way down Hyundai now, so would you say before we go on to our break the instantaneous robs us of the spontaneous? But with that, I'm sorry, would you say the instantaneous will rob you of the spontaneous? Yes, please don't you just said it yourself. Do you like it? Do you like instant coffee compared to the real coffee flavor? Yeah. Are you joking up? You know, why am I asking that is because I think as the church, we think instantaneous and spontaneous are the same thing. They're not as the holy only. No, I'm just asking for God and I wanted to stand me ously show up. Look when I really say your time frame. Let me let me know now. Listen, let me tell you what instantaneous is. It's exactly what it says, but spontaneous. There it is is the key to the spiritual world. That's why I'm saying they can't be the same thing. NG well, I'm instantly in in the spirit world. No, do I not but you can open a door or a with the key of spontaneity to go into the spirit world. Oh my God, I'd be sitting on that one. Well, I mean word on the street is that you can just close your eyes and be in the spirit, but we're not going to do that after that manifestation. Because that to manifestation and we'll be right back. Go ahead pasta. I know I did. I was so enthralled by all your jokes. He had a brain fart. No, did you just say that on Portals particles? I did you had a brain box minder the token. Yeah, look at who I I wanted to help the listeners and those that are listening to this names of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, tell us his roles. Do you know his roles in your life? I heard somebody but say just tonight. I was thought the Holy Spirit just hung around. Wow. Well, well, he's the comforter you want the comfort of the hang around. Well he'll hang around. He's the eternal spirit. Mmm. He's a free spirit. He's the Holy Spirit. He's the power of them the highest. He's the spirit of adoption. He's the spirit of Christ. He's the spirit of counsel. He's the spirit of Glory one glory in your world. Wow. It's a spirit of God. He's a spirit of Grace. You want Grace, you know when you work with him to do with Grace that's a revelation is Spirit of Holiness the spirit of knowledge. He's a spirit of Life. He's the spirit of the Lord God. Oh Jesus help me. He's the spirit of Might. Yeah, and he's a spirit of Prophecy. He's the spirit of the father. He's the spirit of the Lord. He's the spirit of the sun. He's a spirit of understanding. He's the spirit of wisdom. He's the spirit of judgment. He's all these things and more. Can you just show me quickly the other part to do with what he does in your life because my challenge is tonight. I'm sure some of those things that I read out to you haven't activated you've never active. All right. I know it was one. I was like wait. Is that a trick question? We try and remember it was are you telling you I'm telling you? Yeah. Spirit I'm just I'm just never being honest. I've never attributed him to that. Yeah, Oh, I thought you meant free spirit like free spirit and I'm afraid Spirit. No, no out of bondage. I decided I've always put that category freedom freedom to do with Jesus if Jesus gives Freedom by his name and his authority but the holy spirit is the one who activates. Yeah. He's It's the truth. Well, it's my voice deep in here. Is this Revelations? He liberates? Yes. He works to activate. Wow. So what you can't do he can hmm, so I can't but he can do all things Holy Spirit through Christ who strengthens us. Come on hit us with another one because we got it. We got a quote this word you lack? Oh my God shall supply. How did she supply all your needs through as rich as the Holy Spirit according to his riches? / Jesus Jesus and when it says Christ Jesus that is the emphasis of the spirit first Christ Jesus Christ. The spirit of Christ is the spirit Christ Jesus as an important theological note you say I Fear mmm-mmm-mmm. God is Not only got a present. He hasn't given you the spirit of bringing illegal everybody else. Guess what is given you by the power of the Holy Spirit the spirit? Spirit of power love and a sound mind. Are you using those things? He's giving you isn't it funny just quickly their pasta Robin, even with what we talked about before with authority. Even that scripture the first thing that he gives you his power. Yeah, then he gives you love then he gives you a sound mind. Yep doesn't last sound mind and Paolo pasolini want you to walk in his mind continue. Sorry, they want to cut you off. They will tell you you don't have faith. So you have the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit that's giving you a Measure of Faith Measure of Faith. Do you should measure of Faith or do you put it in your pocket? Do you carry it around your pocketbook? Olya put it on the Shelf. Are you growing it so that you can have the fullness of the godhead in you and therefore have option to attain. The faith of god. Wow. I've got a few just a couple more. When you're weak mmm when you're weak. He gives you his strength the holy spirit gives you his strength. Hey don't want your strength. He'll give you his strength because his strength is the strength that will overcome. Mmm. He is also Greater is he that is in you what's in you change? What's in you is greater than anything in the world. Come on, that's good. You're not defeated. He will always cause you to Triumph always cause you to Triumph in Christ Jesus. Wow, holy spirit Jesus. I don't know what to do. I say that a lot. I don't know what to do. Just people say that all the time. I have the answer. Why does he say? What'd he say for Christ? Jesus has given you wisdom from God above the holy spirit gives you wisdom. Yeah from above do you need Wisdom? Ask and you shall receive Ask activate. Yes. I'm so worried. Mmm. I'm so worried I can cast all my kids because Of him because he cares for me. Yeah cast of my case on Jesus because the Holy Spirit cares for me well What about when you're in bondage? Mmm free spirit where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. Holy Spirit. There's Freedom. What about if you think I expect to get sick, this one is good. I expect to get sick once in a while. I said that who says that I Repent you better know that by his stripes. I'm Healed. They your heel by the power of the spirit. That has been wrought in Jesus Christ Authority that Authority wow, and the biggest one that I really want to challenge the church tonight with is I feel so condemned. Yeah. Well, if you feel condemned, he's a scripture for you that the Holy Spirit wants to bring truth to tonight. Yeah, there is therefore no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. Are you in Christ? You don't need to have condemnation don't take condemnation. The spirit of God has given you power love and a sound mind not condemnation. He doesn't condemn you he convinces you and and convicts you come on. So tonight as we finish this. Yeah use the rolls. Because that's what he wants. If you to give him room to use his roles. So give him room to activate himself as each role. That's right. Don't expect instantaneous elves wait for spontaneous answers. Yes be persistent. Yes inactivating the roll. Don't determine the timing. I'm just going through everything that we got from tonight's portal and watch and see the domino effect. Hmm. And when he activates, you don't remain a victim step up and stand in your Authority. Amen. And why is and then why is that? Because he's the third man in the fire. It didn't do much singing tonight. I think you should see I think the Holy Spirit go the third man in the fire gonna activate the third man in the fire gonna change your desire of the hour. I'll fly on the master Robin Hood be I thought you wouldn't finish with the punchline after alive because he's the third man in the fire, but it doesn't rhyme note. Okay, you picked a better better run because he is a spirit of life. Well, my fellow listeners grab these punchlines grab these songs grab everything. You can grab to fill your pockets for the weekend. For the rest of your life. Why because the Holy Spirit never leaves us no forsake sounds nor forsakes us until they're given to his forever forever. Amen. Amen until next time.

The conversation continues... We have been discussing so powerfully the Third Person of the Godhead. In recent weeks, we have journeyed through recognizing the Holy Spirit, to activating Him as the forceful agent in our lives, to now seeing Him fulfill the mandate that the Father has given Him to fulfill. What is that Mandate you may ask? Well in this episode of portals, host Shenaya Anisse draws out from our Senior Leadership team -- Dr Robyn Kassas, Ps. Tony Kassas, and Ps. Nathan Kassas - more deep prophetic truths and revelations about the mandate of the Holy Spirit in our lives and letting him fulfill it. Dr Robyn takes us to new depths by revealing that His mandate is to promote Jesus in our lives in every situation. If that wasn't enough to blow your mind, our leaders bring home the truth of working with the Holy Spirit as the Third Man of the Godhead and allowing Him to develop your authority in Jesus Name. Favor without walking in authority comes to an end. We need to take authority and activate the third man of the Godhead in our lives. Not only is He the third man of the Godhead, but He is the third man in the fire, because He lives inside of us and is never separate from us. Therefore, we need to give Him room and space to activate the Father's will by not working independent from Him but rely on Him interdependently as Jesus Christ did when He was on this earth. This portal is set to challenge some religious "stinkin thinkin" and cause you to rethink your approach and hopefully, delete some ungodly pathways. However, thats the best thing for us because it means less of us and more of Him! The more space Him to activate; means the more room for us to participate. Wow! The transformation has begun.

Let's talk about the market cap. Let's talk about the market cap off through all of the years of your complaining about Bitcoins yelling one. All the developers were always working on scaling and adding in case I go around corners completely and utterly failed Bitcoin how many more transactions can it do for a second than it used to be able to do it can do a lot with lightning Network and do a lot with segue. It was the last time you don't like, you know, we're transaction in common. I I've never done one by a deuce. I go all the time and I use Bitcoin all day every day. I've never once been a lightning Network. And the amount of difficulty that it is for the entire ecosystem to switch from Bitcoin core to bitcoin cash or a theory more - or Monaro or take your pick is much much much smaller than the amount of effort and resources and retooling that's required for people to switch from taking actions to bitcoin core lightning transactions. It's not going to make that jump anytime soon if ever. This is the lightning junkies podcast with your host to Chaz Crypt of sin on this episode of the podcast. We have John Carvalho Chief Communications officer from bit refill bit refill is a company that offers gift cards prepaid mobile refills and lightning Network Services that you can pay with Bitcoin and lightning Network transactions in this episode. We talk about Bitcoin the lightning Network the circular economy Silk Road and Roger ver the first audio you here on this podcast is the famous Roger ver and John Carvalho interview from the end of 2017. I picked out this bit of audio specifically because he states that the lightning network will never be used in Commerce. Obviously things have changed quite a bit in the last two years and I wanted to really emphasize this before we jumped into this podcast. This is the third episode. Of the lightning junkies podcast and the last in the series is about onboarding newbies to the lightning Network. This podcast has no sponsors. I receive 100% of my funding for this podcast through the crowdfunding link and tipping dot me that you can find in the show notes below. I don't like listening to podcast that have 10 minutes of sponsorship talk and I prefer to jump into the podcast as quickly as possible. So with that here's the interview with John Cavallo. All right, and I'm going to go ahead and welcome John to the lightning junkies podcast. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. So I kind of just wanted to start at the typical thing and just kind of get your general Bitcoin background and understand how you got into the space. Sure. I've been in Bitcoin nearly seven years now. I think it would be seven years in a month or so started in late 2012 and you know heard about it like a lot of people around that time because of all Silk Road, dark web kind of news articles that were being published and then once I started digging more into it, you know, I just basically got more and more consumed every day that I learned something about Bitcoin. Did you ever use Silk Road yourself? Yes. I did try it but after going through the experience, you know, your paranoia goes up pretty high and you're like, okay, I should not probably mess around with this kind of thing. Yeah. Definitely I happen to use it as well and I had kind of had the same experience. Did you feel like it established the kind of use case for you? It's like I can use this as my kind of Black Market money and use it in a way that nothing else really could be used in. Well, yeah, I mean, I do think it's a great example, like it's like it shows the use case of slaps you in the face with it. You know, I'm not really like a black market kind of person anyway, but you know when it's presented to you this way and you say okay, like there are actually people, you know on this dark web using this to do very illegal things and You know at the time we're thinking they're getting away with it. This is like obviously there's something going on here. How is this working? What kind of tool do we actually have at our fingertips now and that was what really intrigued me was like, okay. This is this is a way that I can use money and you know be private and in kind of have control, you know, I've always been a somewhat anti-authority kind of person and I just don't like the feeling of losing my freedom or NG at the kind of whim of some powerful Authority, you know, like if you get pulled over by a cop or are dealing with bureaucracy when you're doing paperwork or stuff like this you really start to like feel it, you know that you don't you're not really in total control and then you learned about the banking system and the other things that kind of influence the creation of the coin and you know, you start you start seeing how this can really be a solution to to maybe correct some of the things of how money works on our economy kind of currently. Okay? Definitely. So you said that Around late 2012 you kind of got into that. How did it go from there? Oh from you know, just like most people you know, like this is like if you look at my Twitter, you see that like, I'm very emphatic or overconfidence sometimes about my opinions on things but part of that comes from my personality but a bigger part just comes from experience, you know, all these cycles that have come people did all this stuff before, you know, ico's. We're not the first time there were a lot of people trying to get a lot of Bitcoin. Investment from people in Bitcoin, you know in 2013 you had a lot of people trying to raise money for what they were doing is like IPOs and we had like Securities platforms that were, you know, they weren't tokenized but you could still you know, take part and get shares on a central database on different projects and there were some scams there were some Ponzi schemes and you know mining contract operations and things like this and the in even back then and it kind of served as a template for all the iterations. Is of of scammers / kind of fundraising that we saw afterwards. So yeah, I basically after I got into it and learned about the Silk Road stuff. I started like playing around with mining started playing around with trading, you know, started hanging out with talking to developers in IRC and other people and you know, the Bitcoin talk forums were really popular back then and read it was was more usable back then for Bitcoin. And so you just kind of go deeper and deeper you start to get get to know different people you start trying to learn more about finance and economics and you know, all of the things that maybe your current career didn't have much to do with and and you have to kind of immerse yourself in all of these disciplines to even understand Bitcoin in the first place a definitely I feel like I kind of learned a lot since that period of time but you mentioned Reddit, you know, and a big kind of event in the history of Bitcoin. I mean on some level I guess is the the split between Our Bitcoin in rbtc and that's going to give me a kind of a segue here to kind of mention the Roger ver interview because he was you know, the, you know, one of the moderators of rbtc and his kind of rhetoric over there. How did that interview end up coming about? Yeah. It was during the heat of the whole you ASF and New York agreement and bip 148 and Bitcoin cash. It was you know, right during the heat of all that and I I was pretty you know, active and vocal in that little war, you know for Bitcoins Independence as we refer to it now and I had met Roger at associate round table maybe a year before and we had maybe a casual conversation, you know, nothing antagonistic in any way and there was something that I had messaged him about on Twitter privately as a follow-up after I talk to him and so we had like an established communication that way but I hadn't talked to him and maybe a year or more. And then once I saw what was going on with Bitcoin cash, I just sent him another Twitter message after a long time is it? Hey you want to do an interview about the coin cash? And he said yes, and that was really the whole extent of setting up the interview. There was no you no pretense. There was no a lot of people think I was trying to like set him up. But all I did for Preparation was I researched his most recent interviews and you know got to learn what his party lines were and made sure I was prepared to answer them got it and you know, I took the time to watch the Of you today, just I kind of have a bit of background on that and I remember from back then that when the kind of be cash name came up. I came up very organically like I was my girlfriend at the time and I kind of liked the name. It was a very kind of interesting name for a Bitcoin cash Bitcoin Kasia so clunky. So I always found that part of the interview to be really annoying that he took it very personally and had all these nonsense around it during the interview the atopic Going to turn to the lightning Network and he said something along the lines of is lightning being used for Commerce right now. And this was in late 2017. So obviously it really wasn't quite yet. I don't think lightning had hit mean that quite yet. So obviously there has been a quite a change in you know, how much the lightning network has been used since then if Roger were to ask you that same question. Now, what would you tell him? Well, I would say well look at the company I work for right now. I work at bit refill. And we're like literally using lightning for Commerce everyday. It's not the largest payment method, you know Bitcoin on the main net still is but we were using it and we know we're deep into it. We're providing products and services directly related to it. So I think it would be absurd to say it's not used for Commerce in the literal, you know direct sense, but I think what Rogers getting at when he says that it's just talking about adoption, you know, Rogers, you know core kind of desire for everything. Do with crypto is like Mass adoption. He just wants everybody to have it at any cost seemingly. So, you know, I look at it a little bit differently. I would say lightning is not used for Commerce in that broad sense. It hasn't received like a really great product Market fit and seeing a lot of volume and you know people using it everywhere at stores and things like this, but I do think it is the technology best suited for that purpose. You know, I think lightning solves a lot of problems. That we have right now with Bitcoin related to Merchants and consumers in a Commerce environment, you know things like being able to do exact in voice saying and I know instant quote unquote settlement the instantaneousness of the transactions just itself is a very, you know, unique transaction quality that we haven't had before and really a lot of Commerce hasn't had before even with centralized payments. So I think that you know when he brings that Peachy was trying to contrast that that Bitcoin cash would be able to be that solution and he saw the scaling with large box is a way to be able to facilitate really fast really cheap transactions, but I disagree and I think you know most probably listeners on the show and most bitcoiners disagree because obviously even though the blocks are bigger. Nobody is using Bitcoin cash, you know, we're probably seeing more actual Commerce on Lightning at this point. Yeah, I would definitely agree. I mean, when's the last What time you saw a Bitcoin cash product that was you know, taking on large amounts of customers and getting a huge amount of news. I'm not aware of anything. Yeah, I admittedly I've kind of fallen out of the loop. I'm a lot less interested in keeping track of, you know, the communities and antics of altcoins these days too busy doing actual work, but you know, I think that's true. I think that you know, big on cash isn't really going anywhere and the real only kind of use case for all coins at this point. Is them being a For means of you know transporting your crypto value if you are already using a exchange where you have Bitcoin on you know, yeah definitely so would you say that the narrative he was exposing and that video is shown to be kind of nonsense by now is absolutely clear. I mean, it was already clear back then I'm sure but I mean, is it even more clear? Yeah. I mean, I think that was the main message of that video right like that that that Roger ver is nonsense, you know, he's nonsense manifested and and You know, he, you know going back to you saying you thought be cash was a nice name. Well, that's what I said. You know I said, I literally quote you know, it's a nice name and I really did believe that I wasn't really trying to troll him. But you know, he took issue with that point because he won he wanted a way to exit the interview is kind of an excuse and and to it was literally, you know going at the core of his deception which was to exploit the Bitcoin name and I was literally losing Removing Bitcoin the word Bitcoin from his plan and that's probably why it was hitting a sore spot. Do you see Roger as being kind of genuine or do you see him just being dishonest at the core? I used to believe that he was totally, you know dishonest totally deceptive lying and I used to think he was also ignorant but as I've come to kind of see his persistence and see his dedication to the the kind of Bitcoin.com model and and all of the projects that he's trying the everything he's doing to try to make this float, even though it's still not working and also some of the perspectives I've gained by working at bit refill. I will say I actually believe more and more that he's sincere that he actually believes what he says and that the the kind of discrepancy or the distance that we see is that he's willing to to be Is in order to get his end result that he desires because I think he just thinks he's right and he says he thinks the ends will just justify the means got it. Okay, so I kind of want to move away from Roger that's enough Roger talk for now. Yeah, me too, you know touching back onto the lightning Network. You were kind of mentioning that you don't feel like the whole Commerce pieces really intact and in the way that maybe that he was thinking of what do you think is the strongest you Has case right now is it you know things like bit refill and you know other kind of services like that. I mean depends what you mean by strongest use case if you mean like use case that people are actually using it for at this moment. Yeah, I guess I mean you can use it for a lot of people are mostly using it to test to make sure that it works to see how it works and experiment with it even even the business is implementing and that's a huge part of what we're doing. We're just learning it and seeing how to incorporate. Into our production as far as like the use case of where I see it's more about like what I talked about earlier. Like I think that once once business is like bit refill are fully on board and our customers are getting more used to it. We start, you know, making Partnerships with other say exchanges or ATM companies kind of integrate things like our own products and our own catalog or just in general getting infrastructure like exchanges or ATM. Yes, or other point of sale kind of Technologies to incorporate lightning. That's when I think it will really start to like be embedded and habits real shot at getting more adoption and taking a bigger chunk of you know, the Bitcoin transaction volume that's used for Commerce. Do you have a favorite lightning app or service currently, I mean something but bit refill sure I've played I've played with a lot of them but you know in the end the use case of gift cards is actually they're like I heard of bit reso because I needed a gift card for in crypto, you know, and so the use case is real and being able to do that with lightning, you know, you get your code instantly from bit refill. So it's like a total instant experience outside of the banking system, you know you pay with lightning. Yeah, you actually get a small discount 2 percent discount when you pay with lightning and you get your code instantly and you can do what you were trying to do whether it be buying a game or shopping online or you know sending a gift card. Buddy else on my end. I have this kind of thought of trying to onboard newbies directly onto lightning skipping over the base chain of Bitcoin. Try to give them a stronger experience. Do you have any kind of opinion on doing things that way? Yeah, I do. I've kind of tweeted in the past where I said, you know make every Bitcoin transaction a lightning Channel or make somebody's first Bitcoin a lightning that coin or a Bitcoin or SATs on Lightning. It is an interesting way to frame. It an interesting way to approach the problem. I think it's probably partly mostly thought about that way, you know right now for maybe lightning wallet providers because they're the ones trying to figure out what the user experience really needs to be like to get you know adoption of their own product. So you see some good some good tests happening there. Like, for example, I think Breeze will open a channel for you automatically as soon as you install so, you know, they're spending a little bit on their front end on their own end to be able to make That experience easier because you know, when you install most lightning wallets, you're not necessarily going to have even a connection to lightning if you're running a custodial wallet will then you had your in a different Paradigm security wise and you're trusting your wallet provider. So there are a lot of different ways people are trying to make it easy for a first-timer and I think they're all worth doing in there all you know, it's good to have the full spectrum there and see what people actually want. What would you say is the kind of weakest part of maybe the ux of the Lightning Network or is using it all together. It depends on what level you want to talk about. You know, I would say like the weakest part structurally is probably going to be liquidity management, you know, when I mentioned earlier something like getting out exchanges on board. Well exchanges are doing much larger transactions in the current Channel size limit now that you can bust the current Channel size limit if you want to in custom customize your implementation, it's really not that difficult, but you still have to have other people on the network with the same size. Channels to pass your liquidity through for it to actually be worth it or you have to have like newer Technologies for you know multipath routing to be able to do larger, you know sends so it's not quite there yet for for that kind of situation. So that that's a limitation as far as the user experience kind of side. I would say I guess it's just it's just that it's still early, you know, people are still trying to figure out how to present it to people and and while it's what is it? Good side to it. The lightning Community is very fragmented projectwise. So there's a lot of people spread out trying to do their own thing. There's a good side to that where where you're going to have a lot of varied experiments, but there's a bad side where the you don't have like a lot of resources put into you know, one thing where there's a comprehensive, you know kind of approach to making sure that we're doing the best ux I think part of the endgame might be having a paradigm where Just works, you know where if I have a wallet where I can scan any Bitcoin address, you know QR code or lightning QR code and my wallet just pays it and any kind of like, you know Network hopping or exchanging just kind of happens automatically and I just have to approve if there's any fees involved, you know, it has to be kind of a seamless experience. So removing every tap moving every click moving every window that we can to just get the customer from being able to move there too, you know. Know where they want to send their money and send it or the same with receiving receiving gotta kind of moving on I guess. How did you start at bit refill? Basically last winter? I was I had been running my own startup for a while here in Romania, and I was at the point where I had to decide whether to kind of double down and start raising money or because I was living on bitcoin at the at that point and the price had dropped a lot and I thought okay I either need To you know, turn this into a much bigger project and not a pet project and start getting some real investment money in here or I need to stop spending Bitcoin and just get a job. And so I had already been preaching myself to you know on social media that people should be figuring out earning Bitcoin and not and not trading and doing things like that. So I thought I would, you know, put my money where my mouth is and go ahead and and put some feelers out and I made a joke tweet. You know that I mean, that's the the is this a butterfly and it's the anime meme I had tweeted out, you know, is this a job with it with a Twitter logo and Sergey from bit refill got the hint and he's like are you actually looking for a job and I said maybe and we got on a call and we started talking and you know, I think initially he had heard of me because of Twitter and and was may be interested in having some social media help but it turns out a lot of my background is in marketing and I've been in Point for a long time so I had a lot more to add and so I ended up, you know taking a position as the communications officer here and overseeing most of the marketing PR event related stuff and and also hoping a bit with the product and some business development on the lightning side etcetera. And so that's how I ended up at bit refill. Absolutely. Do you want to just give a quick little synopsis that would actual bit refill does for the listeners that may that may not know sure in the grand sense, but Refill is trying to build help build out a circular economy for Bitcoin, you know, and the way that we've done that so far is by kind of frightening three arms of service which are gift cards so you can be able to spend your Bitcoin on you know, pretty much anything depending on the country. We've got, you know dozens of gift cards specifically available for your area. We also provide mobile refills and that's kind of how the company started in the bread and butter so you can be able to top up Phone in many many countries in the world and then the more recent kind of armor service that we're doing is is like kind of like lightning network provider services or it's sort of like an internet service provider and we're providing, you know the ability for Google to custom by channels for liquidity to be able to pay to any endpoint for a lightning invoice. And we also have a unique sort of Pack 2 channels where you can not have to wait for for spending. I have to wait for confirmations called turbo channels. So these are our four products. We have four channels Thor turbo channels and recharge and then we've also recently added an API for our thirst or services to try to help any of these other platforms that are trying to create a seamless experience be able to have some backup services so that they need more liquidity if they need to be able to automate any sort of Channel purchasing or opening that we have these services available for them as an opportunity. Into bacon to their interfaces, would you say the the kind of lightning services are a smaller part of your overall business Revenue wise I would say in in volume as far as sales. It's smaller compared to the other things that were selling as far as our research and our development work put into it. It's is larger in proportion. It's also good to keep in mind even though it's a small part of our Revenue compared to gift cards. We're doing probably more revenue and Enlightening than any other lightning company, I would guess it's still a small Network overall, but we are you know doing our best to make sure we find the best ways to capitalize on it. Are there any other lightning Services coming down the pipe here? I mean, yeah, nothing I can reveal here that's coming in the short term, but we are always thinking about what our next strategy is for lightning. I think right now one thing we're trying to do is we're trying to do some kind of ground work with talking to other. Two serpents in the network to kind of make sure we set up some of these liquidity channels and set up some of these companies making sure they integrate so we're working on trying to set up Partnerships with companies to integrate bit refill. And in that process, you know, making sure that we're helping them with by providing, you know, supplementary lightning services or giving them monetization use cases for their platform through embedding the bit refill catalog of gift cards and things like this and and in that process we're trying to you know build up. The lightning Network and get more people to accept lightning pushing exchanges to you know, incorporate it faster and letting them know that there are you know, supplementary services available. So I think that's one thing to keep an eye out for in the coming months is you know, more serious attention from exchanges and more Partnerships definitely looking forward to that part of the marketing that I see for. The refill is the idea of living on bitcoin Etc. Is there anything like missing from the bit refill service that would really allow someone? A live off Bitcoin totally it's kind of a question. We're asking ourselves in our customers right now in the process of doing some internal research on the ways that our customers use our service the the the software they use like the wallets they use to use our service Etc. So we're trying to figure that out in the end. What we're trying to do is build is like I said build out a circular economy. You mentioned living on crypto. That's pretty much what that means and you know the means of Building a circular economy are Building Services for earning spending or services that help people learn in spend. And so that's that's where our kind of focus areas that make sense. Absolutely. So jumping into the circular or closed-loop economy thing recently. I went to the Bitcoin 2019 conference and while I was in San Francisco, I you know went to some marijuana dispensaries and I kind of chatted up the the people that were there about Bitcoin because like I can't help myself and I asked them. What was the biggest stop? Point from them really being able to you know, use Bitcoin accept Bitcoin and they said that they can't pay for their vendors in Bitcoin and you know that kind of made me realize that if you could somehow get the vendors and the vendors of the vendors to you know, use Bitcoin that you could essentially create a closed loop economy, you know in the marijuana shops stuff like that. Do you think places like that or and you know the places where it more is most likely to be able to get some start there. And I think that's accurate that business-to-business payment is a huge gap right now in the circular economy. Unfortunately, like for bit refill, you know, we have to be careful which path we choose and helping build this thing out because there's a path where you end up becoming a payment processor and money transmitter and having to do all kinds of kyc a mouse stuff and I feel like we kind of have enough people on that path. We have enough businesses focusing on Total compliance, you know and that's kind of a little more the area where the business-to-business payments probably needs to start, you know, or like for example, if I want to pay for an advertising, you know Bill from bit refill and Bitcoin the the receiving company is probably going to end up if they don't accept Bitcoin directly. They're going to look at somebody like bitpay or another payment processor to be able to do it. But pay is definitely not ideal and it's not working out in that regard for a lot of businesses. So there There's that there's probably some room for somebody to step in and kind of Grease the wheel to make businesses be able to pay other businesses better. But yeah, it's a gap and and I'm just not sure if it was going to be the one to fill it unless lightning can be a solution where we can do this in a way that is not as a money transmitter got it. So you can kind of mentioned bitpay so might as well jump into that really fast. Do you think something with you know, BTC pay server and there, you know they Something called transmuter. Do you think something like that might you know serve that that a company might have a self-hosted BTC pay server and a wave to kind of offload their Bitcoin, unfortunately, because I think the reality is they're mainly staying in Fiat do think there's anything you know to work with her. Yeah. I actually I think be TCP participate server is a great project. It's interesting project and I'm really interested to see how it grows out with like How many other types of services it will incorporate within its distribution, you know, like if they'll start directly incorporating some like kind of tertiary things and and how big it grows and how useful of a platform it becomes more than just being able to accept Bitcoin. Yes, the the offloading into fee our being able to sell automatically is kind of one of the solutions they want but keep in mind if we're talking about a circular economy. We're not necessarily. King for them to want to exchange it a more I am more interesting ideal is if lightning is instant, then that means that you're only really pricing things for the moment and the volatility risk is much much lower. Everything is just continually flowing and so if we can get, you know, the customer paying enlightening to the business the business paying for whatever that resource was. Dynamically if you know via API or whatever with With the business they're sourcing it from with that business being able to instantly pay towards bills for you know, the resources they needed to buy to create that product and then paying their employees and if everything starts becoming more flow more streaming as a payment process the volatility starts mattering a lot less if that makes sense. Absolutely. You kind of mention the streaming money there and I think the way that I first initially got interested in the lightning network is And Andreas talked about you know streaming money. Like I think in 2016 if I'm remembering correctly. When did you first started getting interested in lightning? If you can remember the I first started getting lightning probably I mean I was interested in it ever since I heard of it, you know, it's just how when did I start getting seriously interested? I mean much more when I joined bit refill, but you know just before that as well, you know, I was the project I was doing before this was a live video streaming platform and you know when we We know we adopted segment very early and then we were you know, we knew that lightning was coming and we were trying we were thinking about ways that we could creatively integrate lightning into it, but I never got to that point with the project ended up moving onto bit refill. So it was always definitely an interesting thing. I remember like, you know, even before bit refill looking at some of the work that roast beef was I think doing for for who's calling each Chelsea - for streaming video for payments and so we're like, this could be really cool. So I I've been paying attention to it ever since it was mentioned years ago, but it's just mostly increased in the past year or two. So if I may ask about your previous project sure the previous projects that was doing was called Exotica TV. It was an adult video chat platform. So models could live stream adult content and members could be able to pay without having to give private information you the credit card information using using Shady pay processor cetera, and you could even use the you know pay without even having account the website would automatically generate sort of a cookie account for you that you could deposit into and spend that way the problem with that with that platform ended up being and I think that you know, we see some competitors and other coins like spank chain 2 and similar things the problem is that the problem wasn't necessarily just getting that industry to understand Bitcoin or be interested in earning in Bitcoin or that that was a relatively solvable relatively Something that you could you could accomplish, you know and get at least a good enough market share to continue as a business. The real problem is you actually need to do a business like that a significant scale to be able to compete and have anybody even take you seriously which means you need a large team to be able to compete with these these Legacy platforms that have been building out feature sets for decades. And so you can't just walk into this this video streaming Market with a kind of bare bones platform and say okay come use us. You can earn Bitcoin you have to come in there and you have to have a competitive product as well. Absolutely. Would you say that the you know large Legacy competitors were ripping off the models by overcharging, you know, they're cut or whatever. Now, this is an argument IV Emily disagree with you know, this is this is this is something that Spain Shane came in is as part of their pitch for the purpose of their platform being to cut out evil middlemen. I don't believe that that's how things work the market for for the adult industry is been around for a long time, you know. It's had a lot of time to like find where the efficiencies are. And the reasons why people take the fees that they take are because they're providing services that are worth those fees. Otherwise, it's not like a monopoly kind of exploitative situation. It's that you know, there's money to be made and there's people in the middle that you have to pay to be able to make that money flow payment processors in in the adult industry charge so much because they have to deal with so much more chargebacks and and this this chargeback issue has kind of been obfuscated away from users. They think that it's it's gone, but it's not gone. It's just been baked into the price now and so they see this as like predatory and they see that they label these parent processes or Shady. Sometimes they get shut down but it's similar to the Bitcoin industry where like, you know, you'll have a Bitcoin startup and they'll lose their banking. It's the same thing when you're dealing with adult industry stuff. So between all the chargebacks, And you know it being a somewhat taboo areas business. There's more volatility and is more cost into into providing and making money flow in that in that economy. So, I don't think that that was really the real thing the real interest for these people is being able to have control of their money being able to have privacy less custody situation. So less opportunity to lose your money if somebody does closed down and it's things like that. Yeah with lightning you can start adding efficiency things, but this is like high-tech and there that industry so far, you know, even though the adult industry has been known for being the first to incorporate certain Tech. They usually more known for that in the sense of like providing new entertainment or new, you know, Dimension to the entertainment not necessarily to do with efficiency of payment structures. So I think once maybe there's it's easy to like spin up a streaming video. Shin of one too many using lightning then you can you'll see some video projects that will adopt it. But right now, you know, that's not like the priority for the normal lightning community and it like I said to do a project like that without it being more than a science experiment. You actually need a good scale. You need a good budget, you know, you millions and millions of dollars to be able to create a platform and survive for a few years and be able to promote that product platform really hard into that industry. Tree to make them understand what the costs and benefits are compared to what they're already using. Okay, that's very interesting. I'd you know, I guess you kind of school be there a little bit. So would you say that there is any businesses out there that are kind of low hanging fruit that maybe you know aren't adopting Bitcoin but easily could adopt Bitcoin and find a lot of you know advantages. Um, I don't know that they're they're losing out because the people that use Bitcoin other people that need Bitcoin I'm talking about not just like Talking about investing or trading or speculating like talk about you know users that use it as an alternative because it provides advantages that normal banking doesn't or whether unbanked or they restricted by you know jurisdiction for in various ways. And I barely feel like I get a good peek into this because we see which products are the most popular with certain countries and things like this and we hear stories about how bit refill allows them to do things that they couldn't do otherwise, so there's there's definitely use for it out there. As far as if any of the companies, you know the companies that that people like to do the most for the crypto are the things that provide the most utility, you know, so like for example every crypto company and the gift card space or even remotely connected to it is trying to make sure they can sell Amazon gift cards and iTunes gift cards because these are things that a lot of people want they can be used for a lot of different purposes. And so they have high utility so bitcoiners that that need to live on crypto in any way or Come some kind of unbanked circumstance. They're looking for utility looking for the thing that they can do the most with their crypto a big Trend that I'm seeing in lightning and I guess in the Bitcoin world to generally is the idea of earning like you were saying earlier, you know, you wanted to earn Bitcoin not just, you know, spend it or trade Etc. Do you see this taking up more so for different companies because you know, we have we have call said with their you know SATs back program. Do you see that? Kind of growing over time and becoming more popular as a way to onboard new users. Um, I think we need to split the conversation into you know, when I want to when I want to discuss learning in and I want to I want to discuss earning in the context of like the circular economy for Bitcoin and people when they're doing work performing tasks, you know getting paid that's earning using giving away and doing Kickbacks and rewards as part of your platform is not earning in my opinion. This is this is a Is a method of marketing and it's not like an isn't there's nothing wrong with it per se but it's not a business model. It's not all it is is just a way to generate attention you're paying for traffic. So it's just a normal marketing method. So I think in that realm like with SATs back with Kickbacks with rewards, you'll see a lot of people adopting this even will end up having a reward program at some point. And we also, you know launched our refer-a-friend program last week, but this is not her. And to me earn is like one of the other, you know, kind of pillars of a circular economy and and there are people working on this enlightening you have this paid app. I don't know if you looked at that but it's a in beta on iOS, I believe and these are places where you can list jobs and lists tasks. We microtasks small things that you can make a small amount of sets doing very quickly. Earn has been a concept in in Bitcoin for the same reasons even Years now with our in.com and coinbase, you know buying or.com and incorporating into that their platform but coinbase turned that concept away from the getting paid and doing work into more of the marketing side because now they're like, they're paying you to learn about the things that they sell you know, so it's a little bit more of a marketing trick in that in that context. Okay, that's very interesting that you kind of, you know, put it that way. I didn't expect that. Do you think you could pay Paint a picture of the future of lightning. I mean, I guess we could already win to that a little bit. But I mean, do you have any specific views on things you expect in the future or things? Maybe they're you'd want to see in the future. I mean, what I want to see is I'd like to see late and getting adopted at its own pace. But you know like that that is constant and upward that is not totally dependent on bitcoin doing the same, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen right away. It looks like you know, my Outlook would be I talked a lot about various. Outlook things in other answers, but you know my Outlook is generally I think we need to keep building it out. Would he need to keep making it better easier to use more utility more connectivity across the the whole, you know, economic infrastructure of Bitcoin and then we need to make sure we're damn ready when when blocks are full and and everything is pumping and everybody is wanting to move a lot of Bitcoin around that where that that this time we're going to say. Yeah, the fees are high, but that's why you're supposed to use lightning for this, you know. That's why you can you know use this wallet and you can you know, Lightning Charge your Bitcoin or whatever kind of marketing method you want to do to deliver this to people and let them know that the this is how you use Bitcoin when you need to do this thing. And so and as I'll be ready and them not like take it as a joke when we try to you know, convert them onto lightning when they looking for high frequency low cost payments. Okay, you know since we have lightning and all that do you think that's going to be the all that will need or do you think one? A that the blocks will have to be or the block size will have to be raised in order to incorporate, you know, x amount of users or do you think Lightnings enough raising the block size? I don't think is necessarily an answer. I suppose it's possible, you know, if we want the soft work other methods like we did with secwet Segway it to kind of, you know, inject block size in through the side then then we'll do it if necessary. I don't ever foresee an actual hard Fork to do such a thing. But and to answer your question is do I think lightning is the end-all be-all solution? Not really. I think it could be if it had to be it would probably be enough at least for you know, some notable amount of time of Bitcoins life, but there's already you know, there's always going to be an already is Research into other ways of scaling Bitcoin sideways, you know, you're talking about side chains you were even talking about layer 3, like layer 3 is already a constant conversation. Station in my life when talking about lightning, you know, because we're we're involved in helping with the Spectrum project, which is a kind of umbrella underneath the umbrella of the RGB project which is an effort to make, you know, tokenized assets both fungible and and non fungible tokens. So something that is easy to do and practical within the Bitcoin Network context which is something that coin is never really had truly, but you see liquid in the side. Jane and you see them trying to do that and scaling as an alternative, you know, so there we're going to have more than one option and hopefully, you know the options we need when we need them. We'll be there. I personally I'm more trying to focus on Lightning because I see lightning as more of a longer term and more like kind of public good layer and network because it's kind of you know, anyone can do it. No, no special party is running it organizing it or trusted, you know to be able to Do it and it will probably be there for a long time. So I would rather build on that and see what we can build on that but you know layer 3 is going to be a concept, you know, you're going to see people starting to frame the lightning Network as you know, this is just a monetized peer-to-peer Network. And you know, if you want to be crazy you can just think from how do we just put the whole internet on this? That's an extreme. But if you come from that way of thinking you start being able to be creative about what kinds of services you can actually You know piggyback onto a lightning Network. Yeah, I've definitely heard of spectrum and I've heard it kind of described as a way to scale lightning even more because you can you know office Kate even more of the you know, underlying stuff on Lightning. I think it's very interesting. Do you see lightning being a a privacy tool and a way to kind of protect people on some level I mean coins are very popular Wasabi and Samurai are very popular. But do you see lightning being a kind of Editor in that sense. I do not I don't think that this competition for privacy on bitcoin or any layer of Bitcoin. I see them as like a toolset where if you know how to use all the tools and and you do use all the tools appropriately you can achieve good enough privacy, you know, I am not a believer of putting privacy on the base layer of Bitcoin. I think actually think as a blockchain it is more valuable with you know, A more direct transparency as a model and I would rather see privacy aspects put into coin joining schemes other layers side chains and there be a I'd rather see there be a process for what you have to do in order to achieve good enough privacy, then try to pretend that we need to force everybody onto it. What would you say is your biggest worry about the future of Bitcoin / lightning my biggest worry probably whenever I think about anything to do with Bitcoin, it's like we're always You know, there's a risk here and we're always trying to kind of predict and were always trying to use our models of understanding for for taking comfort. And in that this isn't too risky and that we're doing the right thing. So my biggest concern is always time. It's always, you know, when people say Bitcoin is is inevitably going to do this. Well, I want to say Well, when do you mean like am I going to be dead when it happens, you know, like or is this something that I can like influence and make happen faster? And that's the context I try to put things. Into often with both lightning and Bitcoin in general is you know, is this something is this an inevitability that we can accelerate or is this something where it's kind of not high priority and we're going to have to get to it when it becomes more relevant because we don't even know when when the hell it's going to be relevant. So let's focus on on the low-hanging fruit. Is there a point where you would know that Bitcoin is done for is there any like a signal or sign that you would know is like oh Bitcoins done. I have to move on to something else. I mean, I think Bitcoin will tell us when it's done. You know, it'll just be that's the way it is if that's what happens. It's going to be because too much value has migrated to another you know money and and people have lost too much money and there's just not enough incentive for people to stick around, you know, so Bitcoins dead when when no one's minding it no one's buying it and no one's accepting it and I don't think that's a realistic possible future. Sure, at least I want to say not within my lifetime but I suppose there are catastrophic things that could happen in my lifetime, but certainly not in the short term. I think you know, we got another good, you know, two or three having's before we're going to worry about any catastrophic failure that coin in any way in the same sense. Do you see the mass of adoption of Bitcoin happening in your lifetime? No, I'm not a proponent of mass adoption as a concept. I'm more interested in making sure that Bitcoin is the most useful tool for what it is. As a store of value that's extremely portable and and you know censorship resistant. I'd more like to make sure that it does its purpose for the people that need it that it's you know, that it's a hammer for people who need to bang Nails then making sure then putting a hammer in every home. It's not my it's not my interest. I'm not here to Market Bitcoins of people in that way. I do like education and I do like spreading the word about Bitcoin. So people know what it is and there's No, excess ignorance out there, but I see no no reason to force people or coerce people to move on to bitcoin. I just think that if it is if the design is true and it does what we think it's going to do there will be plenty of migration of value into this money into this network and we won't need to worry about you know, oh my God, the whole world hasn't adopted it yet or only 30% of the world uses it I mean, you know, we're still very very very small and The so plenty of room to grow before we should start worrying about things like Mass adoption. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. What do you think? You know who are the people that need Bitcoin the most right now anyone that is under duress of an oppressive money. I guess just riffing on that answer but it's basically, you know, people whose money is being heavily inflated people whose money is heavily regulated where they can barely move it or they can only move it very limited amounts. So, You know Bitcoin was made to break rules, you know, it's meant to be an alternative to The Current financial system. And so anybody who needs an alternative. That's who Bitcoin is for. Absolutely. Alright, so that's pretty much the end of what I had on my end. Did you want to go ahead and let me know about all the you know links to Twitter and things like that sure you can follow a bit refill a bit refill on Twitter. We recently have added a telegram room also, so if you want to you know hang out, Chat with us if you have questions or feedback, it's somewhere you can access a lot of our team. We have a bit refill.com. If you want to check out our Thor services for the lightning stuff. It's been refilled.com / Thor and you can find me. I'm known as Bitcoin error log in social media so you can find me a Bitcoin error log on Telegram and Twitter as well. All right, John. I really appreciate you a joining me on the lightning junkies podcast. Thanks for having me man. The third episode of the the lightning junkies podcast is in the can what did you think? 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Welcome to my life's it has applied episode 250. This program is dedicated in loving memory to Catherine Grossman golden mindell bass, Sarah and Edward. Passed away this tenth of other Olive. By her daughter, Karen and her husband Jeff Cohen. As always we begin with a timely discussion. Let me decide living with the times. We're in the week the beginning of the week of parser vehicle being that it's a leap year. So often many of the chapters that are usually read together like vehicle pacu day are separated into two so we read the chapter vehicle. It's also this coming shop is the blessing of the new month of the second order. And it's also posture scrolling which is always either the Shabbos that blesses the month of other in this case other Shaney and or I'm just ready to shudder if it's on the shops, so we'll talk about these matters and their relevant message to us in our personal lives before we get into the discussion itself. I want to again announced that the judges are now sifting through all the essays that came in the hundreds and hundreds of essays they came in From all over the world for this year's fifth annual my life. So this applied essay contest and I'll keep you posted as they're going from the glands that I've had. It looks quite fascinating and quite interesting intriguing original creative. So thank you for that for this contribution in a foot. So somebody on the Switzerland since since I'm already making announcements, let's begin with the fact that my life has supplied is available online all the archives. Plus a form with ask anonymous questions and meaningful live.com my life as well as the essays from previous years as they're posted week after week. We also depend on your support. This is a community supported initiative. So please be generous dedicated program the memory of a loved one in honor of a love them go to meaningful live.com / sponsorship. Okay with that. Let us go right into vehicle. Was provoking the saini and scullin previous episodes where I discuss this were episode 55 105 150 and 200 as I just shared that's all available on our site and when you go to the YouTube version of the video you could see it's all time stamp so you can go straight to the section that you're looking for and and it's discussion so vehicle the year television, man. I'm not in the art of shinmun Base 1992 still echoes in all our psyches. That is the week when the river had the stroke of Zion other that year was also shown the movie Paris and was also partial vehicle was the sharpest before that. That would be the last from Lincoln by yakult option on base the red would speak to us so far and with vehicle. And the rebel emphasized idea of a jackal is out of this, especially when it does not come together with who they and he even edited few short edits on the Mishima the full-blown seizure that dreaded the last one was the week before past you can see so which I'll mention in a moment. But if Viacom was the last one that had been delivered and he did make a few edits the emphasis on by. Yeah kill Unity because we actually means to gather together now, No with the represent tough should have evolved and you'd gimbal neason the birthday the hundredth 100th birthday of that summer sadek was actually the hundred and a hundred yards ahead of the son of zadok, but you'd gimel listen is is is is your site a hundred yards side? I'm sorry. The birthdays are Rosh Hashanah. So the rebel said then that did some exotic had said when he was asked how he could put himself in danger when he negotiates with with in precarious situations. He said to answers. He said I'll answer in the lotion of the gemara with only boys him that I leave the children and he boys same way that the unity of siddim will lead them to Misha so immediately jumps out when you hear vehicle, especially very accurate option on base, which would be 27 years ago. The Rubbermaid that emphasis on Unity the artists of acid in the artists of it which of course makes sense because since the Look some of the best. I mean this was a result of divisiveness Sinners kinam baseless hatred. So, of course the trick when the repair of that is baseless love unity. So there you have the first citizen applied lesson of a aquel the emphasis on Gathering Together on creating keyless coming together just a mere fact of coming together is already and powerful thing as a little Pizzazz and Tanya that that alone Colbert sort of chic intubation idea Colosso - intubate. Sorry, the screen rests on that alone is already a worthwhile Unity. But especially they also come together to learn something and tater to do our to Devon together to do a Mitzvah to give charity. Then it only Excel a amplifies its power. So that's a lesson in unity something that we have to continuously work on. Unfortunately as the rebels said put in Tufts remembered Zion that for no / parent reason there seems to be a challenge in this area of unity. Of true Iverson out of this is role and vehicle captures it all in that one word so we can go into many discussions of what Unity is a shimmer had exceeded explains about a goddess creating unity in a fragmented and Scattered universe, but above all means Unity among each other to be able to not just coexist but understand we need each other we complement each other and get to a place as he says in tiny chapters llama base chapter left after love. Where he talks about what love is it's a good it's a good bottom side. So de La Creme in the language of the Tanya now Shake - masika the goofy TOEFL that when we put we give priority to our soul over our body that is a unifying force because body is divided materialism divides in spirituality connects. And when we look through this with meant to connect to them the shamans and all neshama says you continues on in that chapter explaining how they're really cool. Amisom has and they're all avocado. Ilona the different different language that he uses all focusing and emphasizing on the fact that they're all part of one large organism and me add egg de los animales and we do not know who is the greater one and we don't need to know that the fact is we all complement each other like musical notes indispensable musical notes in a large composition. That's not that analogy and Tanya, but it's analogy that works very beautifully to explain that idea. So if I a kills the first thing to live with the time it's Live with actors with Kayla and recognize that and make us an extra effort to stand on that way. Especially that that was the last message to the dead but his words to us that shop is very a kilt option on base in each column is a similar theme as we spoke last week. Max is a shackle that the two halves which can refer to two halves two people to in the shamans and they unite and they become shackle Shalimar shackle complete circle. We are all needed. We all need the other and the second interpretation. The two halves is the neshamah and a booster which we'll talk about more in the city this question at the end of this week's program. And of course my vodka Mahesh other shiny. So other this year, we have a double audit it's not just quantity. But also quality other missionaries are the Marvin be syndrome when we enter into other we increase in joy and when we have to others we have the 30. We have each day my Olympic a dish we increase and then you have another total of 59 days. So imagine amount of joy and joy is a unifying force. That's why it says the Mitzvah of hypnosis. Arkin is specifically injunctive. It also spills over and sharp as but primarily on yontiff. Why because ain't simplest case is simply cannot be done alone. Oh you next time you consider loan and learn and there's no one else around simcha is celebrated with others. When we have a symptom, we invite friends, we invite guests to invite people even strangers. See this talks about how the Mela is equal treats everyone equally and that type of sense because simcha is a unifier Peters get that as explains in the minds of some of the summer to flesh noon Zion the moment that the brush up said the wedding of the free decodable explaining at length how simpler transcends boundaries and therefore transcends the differences between us. It's a unifier when people dance and celebrate together. And so all theme is Unity Unity Unity is Unity that is this greater strength, and that's why there's the greatest challenge in that area. There's only one way to do it. They'll be deliberate be vigilant and never allowing your own home, especially around the table with your children any type of Russian harder God forbid any type of language that is anyway divisive negative that feeds a any type of element that can separate us always focusing our eat. Of us has a quality that we can learn from a quality that complements us quality that they burst of wants in this world. Everybody has that and we have to focus on that and emphasize that we may have differences of opinion. So in Day saying Chavez people have differences of opinion that doesn't mean that they have a lot of has to be compromised. It doesn't have to be personalized and doesn't have to separate us. It's two opinions on the contrary each opinion in which has the other opinion because when you weigh their opinions and you count them one and you And you direct them one against the other you get out of better idea you get a clear picture. So opinions actually can end up being resulting in a far greater Unity. That's why we say you're a method you Shaney mshulist G. So you a method rain doubtless. God was alone in the universe there was nothing not the reality and they took there's a duality. That's why it doesn't say key to save every day. It says verily Kim God's son and he said it was good. Why can't you say it's good because Duality has the potential to lead. To Discord and divisiveness and Warmack Lakers day 3 is the reconciliation a cost of Ashley. She the third verse as we say every morning comes a mockery of a name. Mediates and reconciles between the two and you get even a deeper understanding of the idea. So 3 is even greater than 1 because 1 there's no other option. You have one opinion to has the possibility to being a conflict and number three is the reconciled to fetes the cover. I'm sorry that goes all the way up over there may not cancel the concert goes to the highest to the lowest because the United all me this AMS the middle of Ms of truth that true out of Memphis. The three letters of em is true from the beginning through the middle to the end second is the letter Shin gu fresh the three letters all the way the end of the alphabet because shekel and a decline for settees doesn't have any legs to stand on so they hang out together because one line needs another light to support it Ms. Spreads out from the first letter aleph mem the middle letter XI letter of the Hebrew alphabet and tough soft the 22nd letter because m is exist Ms. Is throughout if it's m is only one area. It's not completely true Ms. Means that the MS from the beginning through the middle through the end. That's m s so that is connected to a gross and unity the theme that were discussing now and joy, of course coming to put him later in this month put him is also its central theme is a goddess. That's where the missiles are connected to Aldous. They're also the word ke Le the boy, Nicola yahudim. They gathered together number. This is mentions gathering together. Why because because yeah how many had said? Excuse me. Holman said to herself a - when he want the instigate for the garage monolith under total genocide of the Jewish people that yes, 'no I'm a crowd there's one nation. But mahfouz of them is fully renovated ben-amun, they're spread out and before that period between the nation's so we focus on that our method by uniting together and that gives us the strength to overcome any challenge as the put-in miracle was witness to So now that we've gone through that let's go into some questions some new questions some interesting questions some controversial ones and we here we go. Saying how many people can we speak after saying the Bedtime Apple prayer? Hello, Robbie Jacobson. This question that I'm writing about is a very personal question that has been on my mind since I got married since I got married and I never asked anyone due to being shy or due to its Sensitivity. I was brought up always knowing that before you go to sleep. You say I'm a pill a map. Of course the last prayer in the Shema. And once you say it, you are not supposed to speak talk. I've learned about the importance of saying this blessing in the beautiful meaning of its words once I got married. I stopped saying it because when you lay in bed you speak Etc, you're not permitted to say a blessing at the point when you're ready to fall asleep being that citizens been to be part of your lifestyle throughout the whole day. And especially when you go to sleep, can you please provide insight into this? Thank you. So yes, I'm a pill said and the customers that afterwards you don't speak. However, we have it's simply a locker now code a few sources that if for example even after someone's asthma even after somebody says I'm a pill it says post there's a possum say That if a person has a particular need he's for example of gets very thirsty or hungry. Or in the case where somebody asked the question is emergency situation. And so I may call you you're allowed to. You're allowed to speak afterwards as well. Some say should say smile again. Now. The reason for this is because in Part II is two opinions and I'm Apple. Why are you saying it? Are you saying it about yourself that you are not playing to God that your God is taking your soul and therefore taking your speech and your now finishing your day. And therefore it applies to you or is it talking about? None of the individual of the person but in the general world that the world is going into a slumber. So of course if it's the second then it's not so much about you saying I will not speak. It's more about the world in general in the world is going to sleep and that's what you acknowledged. So therefore there is a difference of opinion of how how severe how much money are they about this have sex with him saying after I'm Apple Okay, here's some sources L your rubber. Semen cough, cough. Llama Ralph's of cotton chemo. It's 131 3 Mark Hyman kids a lot of the ivanson is Sid. The beard had grown soft semen tough on the base. and many more In the mission of Buddha, he talks about it as well. And he says you should say she my again if you need to be masek. He brings other sources for all practical purposes. Let's see this and this of course is being said in the proper modesty necessary the husband and wife are together, especially if it's a Mitzvah to be together. Obviously that that that it takes priority over everything. When do you say Shema you could say beforehand you can say that afterwards but there's a chance that people will fall asleep afterwards. So the connection a husband and wife. Maybe speaking obviously is number one. So either you say that my bill earlier and it's better to say that my pal afterwards. Obviously. If you said earlier that would probably go into a category where you could take a break or maybe you don't have to speak afterwards. So that is a matter that the discretion of each individual. I don't know if there's a clear black and white a lock around it, but overall the key point is to remember that you're acknowledging by not speaking the union Summit returning Tosh and beautiful. Rookie, you're turning your spirit to God for protection and no matter how you learn how mapple whether it's on you as an individual or the world. That's the main thing to remember if there are circumstances. We see clearly poskim say that you could take a you could speak afterwards and some say you say she may have as always these type of questions should be addressed to our Ralph if you have something specific because I'm talking the general concept here without the specific details and I love can give you a more clear directive, which is always what's necessary. In this context, okay. as far as this is supplied the regard to this look speech is where call them adopted a human being is a Macabre why we call them adapt because been Double Dipper captures, the essence of we human beings are the ability to speak to another person why we call a moskal even though cycle is also our unique quality, but Dibble is not just you have intelligence, but you have the ability to transcend yourself as the lab explains a number of places and speak to another speech and communication is what allows us to be really The social entity that we are the ability to have relationships the ability to marry and all that comes with it. So in a sense when we are saying goodbye to the day. Thanks Mama. We say also goodbye to our speech and I speech goes until world of my Java just like see the speaks about a Lamar so vanilla Maddie Boer and the de Brasil 2 marks over and you don't go back down to deeper until later. So but obviously there are circumstances extenuating circumstances where one can Do that with all the proper qualifications that I mentioned before. Okay. Next question should do him. What am I supposed to do when nothing seems to work? Hi Rabbi Jacobsen. My question is Is what are we supposed to do when nothing seems to work I've been assured looking for many years now tried everything. Honestly, I'm a great catch. Nothing wrong with me. I have the full package. I don't understand what takes so long. I'm slowly getting to the point of fully giving up is starting to feel unreal as it might never happen. Okay. Now we've addressed this topic a number of times first of the general hopelessness versus hope and specifically around should do. So first of all from a point of view of tailings. It is giving up is not an option. The a beast is sent every person to this world and sent us all made for you. There's someone there for you. You have to always know that the talking Trust. Is always necessary. Even if it's your worn-out, even if your feel beat up, even if you feel that disappointed and frustrated, you never give up you're not giving up on yourself. You don't give up on God who get who put you here and give you all the faculties necessary. It's sometimes hard to hold on yourself. That's why you need to have good friends and a good must be or have a mentor that helps keeping you up beat. The last thing you want to do is hang around with friends that have the same attitude. And then misery loves company and you just reinforce these negative attitudes surround yourself with positive people. We're now in the month of other body mass leads a muzzle. It's a healthy Mazel frame it sometime of simplest and simcha and Every Soul by virtue of its being connected to the Divine is that alone is the greatest simple you have life. You have health you say you're the full package. So it's a blessing that God gave you sometimes an crawfish mattress Hearts met a person in Fetters can't always free themselves. So you need to speak to people who helped lift you up? Mr. Okubo name, you connect to our Aiden to the lab so that Abyssinian him to that was worked siddhis the Taylor you don't fall below same thing with friends. Kevalam cavities same thing with the rav my spear. In addition, these are people who can help you sometimes see blind spots. I know you say you feel you've done everything right? But the fact the matter is we are never able to judge ourselves. There may be something you're not doing. Right and I don't that doesn't matter how many times you've tried you need to have a fresh set of eyes fresh air to look at it in a new and do it in a pace that does not make you overwhelmed but to ask me this question in any way I would have to agree to hopeless would be to me and disgrace to what the debit or us, which is there's never sir. Thing is hopeless. There's always cases no matter what your situation you're in. God gives you the strength to deal with that circumstance circumstances. So therefore that is it has to be our approach bringing a new person consult another individual find out what may be something else that can be done. Do not give up hope and the same time don't be desperate. I would not sit all day in agonize over this work teach learn do things that feed your spirit that feed your or optimism that feed your confidence in your own skills and faculties and resources and live a happy life live a good life. Remember positivity brings positivity. Nobody wants to meet someone on a date and see on their face on their body language that they're depressed or demoralized by this. So it's critical that Simpson will lead you to find what you need to find. Some people say if I find what I find and I'll be Basim works the other way around Biba. Simcha. You'll find what you need to find because Joy is a healthy Force Joy is connected to gratitude appreciation seeing your blessings and recognizing them and so on, okay. Next question what should be our attitude to the recent mic drop issue? Yeah, I often try to avoid and want to avoid some of these controversial discussions. However, once you get enough questions, it becomes very difficult because I made the promise to myself and to you and for the cause to address issues, even if they're not always something I want to address because it's part of the time the part of the dialogue out there and there's a lot of confusion and so on so I'll try to weigh in I don't want to be another voice Among The Fray so I'll try to approach it as always from at a decision approach and how the devil would address it. best of my ability So here's a few questions that came in just a few of many. How'd up cinnamon? I know you say you're not at all. But please make one exception because we need someone like you who knows psychology. See this Josh coughing modern mic. Drop. What and what might drop is. Do you need a Mesquite sack and women speak for men? Why is jail I retrieve different they have women speakers as well as many Chabad house. Has your very well-rounded and get it quote unquote. It's not good that we have. This is do not mention any names different people speaking to rabbis with a doctor with the must be a we need one person who gets a locker and people and the human psyche. That's one person writes another person writes in some bonding prohibited the woman's mic drop events and the owner of Certain website ignored the prohibition. What is your take on this? I know you use this website to Showcase your program this program. So please enlighten us. Okay, and other such questions so yes many people have weighed in there are some of the bonding that have written something about the mic drop. We know that different different psychologists and different professionals and different lay people have written up their own thoughts and share their thoughts. So I'm not another voice among them. I'm not coming another opinion. I want to step back and look at it from a very objective perspective as we should look at everything. So we know what every area of Tater and every area of life. I should say. We have a tailor that guides and directs what to do. That's the premise the Axiom that we all begin with in this case. We also have acid has a middle school students and their Heroes and directives of the lab aim, which of course are all based on Taylor but it adds also the tradition they mentioned the pretty mystical Dimension the finishers are then beyond the letter of the law, etc. Etc. Okay, so whenever we have a situation, what is the taters approach? We have to look what are we talking about? What is the what is the what is the theft? What is the entity about what is the whether it's a question about something is kosher a food is kosher or question whether a situation is culture or a mic drop is acceptable. According to Tater. You have to study what it is. You can just by hearsay to know what are we talking about? And then say what is the Tater say about this in this matter? Now I'm going to add another element here. There are things that annotated black-and-white allowed while the things that are mixed with to do the things that are allowed to do the things that are prohibited and then there's issues allowed which means there's no prohibition and something that people make by discretion which frankly covers a lot more of life than the first two which is a Mitzvah or a Prohibition in Nevada. One more point that when I born in Pascal and something that a bottom look at something the general guideline is obviously to follow the data, but also you'll find sometimes that more than sometimes in history that are bonding will avoid necessary saying a clear black and white sock why now because they may not have nothing to say in it because sometimes it's exaggerator something that everyone's doing so excited. She official Ahmed Bey Robin that many people cannot stop from doing like the rubber. Avoided giving out of a sort of prohibition on smoking even though there's enough doctors that say it's dangerous to your health and there's a midst of an astronaut email and after you say something that was said doesn't want to come out that way because there's so many people may not be able to live up to it. So you made clear his opinion but doesn't go step by step away from saying it's prohibited. This too is part of the discretion in any type of judgment call when you're looking at something some things you can give advice and not Necessary give up sack now. I'm not telling about him what to do. It's not my role. Every dog has his or her eyes. I'm just trying to put it in the context of the whole picture when you look at the situation. So now we take the mic drop, which is a commercial Enterprise. It's not a charity service. It's a commercial Enterprise that charges the people that speak that also encourages and some say even more pushes them to sell tickets and I'll soon read another two questions on this topic and What is wrong is that person should get up and speak and they consider it they are they encourage it because they say it's healthy for you to break the silence to speak about your life about yourself some consider a therapeutic. So here is a few thoughts on that and again that a conclusive statement, but just looking at all the angles. So here's two more letters. I received one pro one against one said it was very freeing for me to do the mic drop. I was able to express myself. I have not spoken in public this help me get beyond my shyness and develop courage which I feel is going to help me in many areas of my life. I spoke about this with my therapist before I did the mic drop and she encouraged it. Another variety of Rights exact opposite. I first considered it but then I saw that there was this pressure being placed on me to sign up and to bring tickets. I started feeling to commercial too much being used. I reviewed it with my professionals and they said, you know if you're not comfortable with it, don't do it. So soon as something is let's talk from a hotelier point of view soon. Something is commercial and there's business involved so we know there are millions of businesses that are the chefs are Master Madam by Munna and Donald Trump some I'm very good, but we always know when it comes to business one of the first thing is in the game, but Ava why do you need a magic year for example in a restaurant someone that's overseeing the costumes and not in the kitchen of your mother. What if your wife or someone that is a trusted you to share my why do you need a mask? Yeah, because there's no business involved and woman is trusted. She's obsessed Kakashi's trust in a business. They can cut Corners to save money to make more money and you know, and you don't know who's in the kitchen. So you need a much gear whenever there's business there's an agreement of and he gave a double does not mean necessarily that the person is is doing something bad, but you can't just trust and say, you know, what whatever they're doing is great because they have an agenda. And even if the agenda is not a bad one, you have to look at it. So I'll tell you the person has to look what is that agenda. How is it bearing on the issue? And it's something wrong being done here. I'm not going to make the statement that something's wrong being done because what I leads me next is okay. So is this an issue of speaking in public before women before men? So then you have to really be consistent because there are many events. Unfortunately or fortunately that are being done not by Mike drop by others where woman stands up and speaks before me. And there's also mixing. So if you want to be consistent, if that's an issue, then that has to be addressed across the board are bottom ready to come out again against any type of place where men and women sit together. We're not throwing but davening or a wedding or a Mitzvah simcha. So Mitzvah or students Mitzvah. So on the ready to do that their cries by all means but people going to ask be consistent in that regard as far as the issue of invulnerable and opening up in a personal way. Of course touches on issues of modesty and sneeze. Yes, that's a good question. But remember there are therapists that people go to who open up to them so true. It's not in public. So and here comes another issue, which is it healthy for a person to do this not everybody's ready for it. Some people need support. So just encourage them because there's a business angle to it. Is it being done with the proper care and the proper oversight? So taking all this into account obviously. This needs to be looked at closely this to be looked at in this context needs to be looked at from the professional point of view. Is this a healthy thing for people to be doing and as far as its nearest point of view if you want to follow how long can this type of regard then? Yes any person who follows loads of modesty will be careful what they say in public and what they say in also about speaking about parents and other things that may have negative connotations or more than connotations, but remember in 12-step programs. And in other places that are healing there's also very open talk. It's true. It's not a public forum. It's not broadcast. But still it's in front of some other people. So my point being here is that all these needs to be weighed number one what the professionals say? What is the healing element in it? Is it really accurate? So is a not being tainted by business agendas. What is the Tater say about the whole thing? Now being that abundant did weigh in on this, I'm not here to negate what they're saying. It's not at all my position. I respect my bottom and a bottom come out. We all have ability to ask my Haitian D'antoni what your sources are what their president is and that something should be part of the discussion. So but since I'm asked to weigh in I'm weighing in and the tail end of the day has to look at it in that way. I'm convinced that if somebody came to the lab that I would say send them to the bottom and exactly this way that I bunch of What it is. The last thing you want is is a sock or a rough to give an opinion and they don't really know what the heft is what the entity is because then later they'll be they'll be dismissed as saying oh you don't even know what it is first observe it that's why there's a need for a kid of attrition which is research Discovery Bureau had varam clarification from all parties involved now, I do see that it's an evolving process. I see some of the people involved in the entity are reaching out to the bottom. I'm not sure what going on behind the scenes. Hopefully they can talk about it. No way whether the bottom really get an understanding an intimate understanding of what we're dealing with there and raise their concerns that they have and if there's ways to do this in a way that there are bonding will feel comfortable. That's really what I wanted to say in context to me. The issue is not my drop the issue is how we look at every challenging situation. Now, you know people go to therapy therapy is some of the secular therapists some are not always Toyota based therapist though. We encourage people to go to Toyota base, but sometimes a professional is needed and it's particularly expertise in that particular field. So that's why it's important to have a must be another of that. You can review what the therapist is suggesting they can talk to the therapist and make sure that it's done. Potato dick away, but always when you deal with matters of the soul and matters of emotions and psychology is always very thin lines of what is acceptable. What is not and yes, there are times when people who've been truly violated you can say just keep it quiet or because it's nice but they may need to heal. They may need to speak to someone you're going to say because it's nice reason. They shouldn't speak to someone now what happens if some professionals feel the right guidance, it's good for them to speak in public. Who are we to judge that that's why Taylor looks at a Rafer the schuessler a philanthropist and has to look at it. Now. If someone are born in feel that it's inappropriate that them talk to the therapist and let them discuss it until it becomes a till it becomes clear. I think the engagement of this discussion is the key this idea where people get polarized and everyone comes personalized and this one the one extreme and then the other extreme takes away the whole Integrity of what Taylor does Taylor wants to depersonalize. Taylor wants to look at something with objective eyes with a perspective that is not tainted not by this party not by this party not by hysteria not by business agendas and other agendas clarifies who's in the game by David who's subjective who's gaining something from this who's not and comes away with a credible and legitimate and honest and accurate Taylor ruling on it, or maybe not have a ruling may be saying this is going Hang on maybe I don't have to always roll maybe rule case-by-case if someone comes to me because another thing is jurisdiction to jurisdiction is very easy today for people say, okay, I'll dismiss these are born among good. I'll go to a different city. If you wanted a bottom to have with credible Authority and has to also be addressed in that fashion meaning taking account that you don't want people running around. They want running from one to the other that there should be some Cooperative discussion. So there can be a consensus and often the time time comes that we don't necessarily have To make a full ruling it can be certain things you point out and rather than just jumping to any type of conclusive statement because the fact of the matter is some may not listen and then what have you achieved you just create a situation where some people will listen to this. I bought him some may not and some will the people with other side of agenda will dismiss these are born in mind even in even in the ridicule them which I'm not at all supporting. But you have those would be wise and create a situation where you really want a constructive conclusion not Just the pitting of the the the butting of heads against each other and the pinning of sides and just to listen to a collision course where people just end up being either confused or not listening or just doing whatever they want. And I think that's where we need a we need a very healthy environment for discussion about this matter and about all matters. It's the only way things will be done if it's effective. They always say don't boycott something that you're not going to win. You say why not if it's wrong it's wrong. Save it. So that is a Nevada Zoda. I understand but even then you want to be effective. So I wouldn't compromise but you have to know how to say not just what to say and in general. That's the best approach of all you have to know how to say it in a way that people can listen to see you know, what there's a point. I'm going to correct or else you're basically forcing people to get out of the realm of a lock and say, you know what they don't understand they don't get what's going on. They're out of touch and I'm just going to do whatever I want which I'm not an only way of course condoning. But we have to be wise especially those that no more need to be the ones that think for everybody think for more than one person because they're the ones that supposed to show direction and guidance and that's of course a body must be looking people who have the perspective of the Rebel of tatarstan this that can then Enlighten the rest of us. So I welcome your comments and that's my initial take on this. Let's move to the next question choices. How do I know if I'm making the right choice? We're faced with multiple decisions every day from what to where to where to go and what to do. Let's come to a point in my life where I'm unable to make any decision because I'm unsure what is in alignment with my purpose. How do you know if you're making the right choice? Thanks. Okay. That's a very good segue from what I just said. How many times has the Rebus said it's etched in my mind and my spirit these words so many times that I've opened up a seat, especially to women the children. Sometimes Alpha bringing Theta is called Terra are. Potato of light Taylor's Casas the tale of kindness our hero Taylor from the word. Hey draw a hero Bhai Bhai. It shines a light on the dark world around us which were issues and events and interactions are shrouded in darkness. Think of a dark Road, you're driving a dark Road. You need two things. You need a map and you need a headlights. So Taylor is both a blueprint and headlights. The blueprint tells you what to do ala my Sasha. Soon the illustrate arson. This is the road to go on. This is the road not to go on. And when this road here is the way to go it gives us a path. So this question of choices is first and foremost answered by that. We live in a dark World the audits as Taylor says right after the patient's bottle, okay, mr. Shimomura solids for other types of tell you what value relationship not the same Darkness filled all of existence and the Rockefeller Kim and I have a subpoena on my and then he goes on and says, but ye merely keep me here. God said let there be light and says what's light light is tête à tête à tête. Light is the Calves if you're going to go with citizen Cibola the light the light that enters into the symptom, which is everything is dark. So we enter into a world where without guidance we don't know. What's right what's wrong with the guidance come from an early age of comes from parents later from Educators, then from our ability of who teaches the Tater and then from our ability to access that data as we were trained to do every situation has a tailor are directive everything a tizzy. There's nothing in life because just like Engineer builds a machine. There's not one iota of fiber of the machine. That's not Guided by his blueprint The God Who is the ultimate Cosmic engineer created created a world by like an architect as the measure says is taco bar. I so but Alma not just the greater detail afterwards. He looked into the tail into the blueprint and and there and thereby and with that he created the world every detail in existence has a table and an Illuminating one at that that illuminates exactly that how do I make a choice? on this issue So things are tainted says here's what you're supposed to do is we are not supposed to do but remember there's a whole body of theta that says luscious looking Tanya. He speaks about Clippers naega chapters six and then seven. He speaks about Clipper snake and then clip was shot. He says what sleepers next clip is nigga is a mix of good and bad meaning. It's just you eat a meal. Of course for me. It's a shoes, but you can eat it self-indulgent lie, you can eat it now. Or you could even by using the strength for something positive and that's our choice that tools a directive in theater. Kinda shot sir Cottage Hospital mottola to sanctify yourself in the even in the things that you're permitted to do. So there's a whole body of the shoes. We walk we talk we sleep we eat we drink we do business and there's Terry guidelines how that should be done. Call my Circa you Le shim-sham. I'm all your actions should be done for the sake of heaven. And then you have called Rock are today all your ways, you know, God and then there's the mistress the things you must do the things you're not allowed to do things that are mutter means they're permissible. Means that you're able to release the spark is mooted. It's releasable from The Entity from the item or also be there containing is asserted means it's bound and that's often. It's not supposed to touch. That's how we make choices. Now. Someone said, how do I lo what the title says that's why we have teachers. That's why I say the carafe have a my spear have a canonical cover have people who help you when you need to make a choice, but sounds like to me what you're saying is you should sit down with somebody you trust. Just someone that has seasoning and experience. No State and cities looks at your life and says tell me what your questions are. Remember there may also be a factor of lack of confidence or lack of inner security due to being invalidated and other reasons. I'm not going to go and analyze because I don't know the details that may also make you second guess yourself and not allow yourself to just make a move. I make a choice. So having support and friends that help train you and give you the confidence to make a move. And I have confidence that this is the right move based on Toyota are Illuminating Guiding Light. That is the way to get beyond the paralysis of no choice and indecisiveness and being trapped. Okay. The next question can juice curse is one allowed to curse another person. Hi. Is it possible for one Judah curse? Another Jew? God forbid I have to add can a parent curse the child can in locker son-in-law son or daughter. If one is experiencing hardship is there room to think that perhaps one is cursed. Thank you. So, let's make a state unequivocally you have an issue that I see. According to all the pins is the colors to curse somebody and it's built on a few people can well, I'll mention a few image spot him of basic of Zion 2227 says not to curse God elokim. The target says their target manzella Kim is judges. meaning Diane people So you see that it applies to people they have the pasta calculation. You test your Dollard same passively sitting lately Sittin definitely release it the mixture before a blind person. You shall not create an obstacle. So before that it says let's call her. She shouldn't curse a deaf person. The Tailor's cane demand deposit which is the matter - the mother should Titus came in the meditation on vikre says that this includes all people and this has brought in the rambam. And he was the son hadn't paid in chapter 26 and she'll the notification Miss persimmon of Zion. Look also and to Buddha gimel base that also discusses a bit. So it's very clear does not just mean a deaf person there they explain so why does it take to say Doc a deaf person? So there's different reasons, which I'll talk about in a moment. We also have of course a clear evaded the course not the curse parents that's mishpatim have evolved 2117. And then there's even a did not the curse yourself oneself. It's based on the modern Shabazz 31a and that I'm by myself an order that I just mentioned all site that Now I'm on the reasons why he know says in Mitzvah. Raisch Hamid aleph that occurs when you Chris, I'm not just your actions, but the tail is also telling us your words have an effect on a person so careful not to have bad speech and somebody Now this is this is actually in contrast to some philosophers who feel they're not only your actions can have some not your words. so that I can t in the vehicle also holds like that that actually affect the dashboard the ratio pays vote of which is 286 the name of the ramban also holds that There's another opinion which we'll get to in a moment. So even your words this reminds us, of course a lush and hotter the vote didn't he a meme that it kills not just the speaker and the listener but also the person you're speaking about it hurts them because speech has an effect. We spoke about it by the way in episode hundred and twenty 127. Now the rambam is safe from its service lysis 317 says that the curse effects it's not really about the person that you're speaking you're cursing because even if they're not present or even if they're deaf and that's why the Pacific is coming to say that is the mere fact that you have ill feelings of Vengeance and anger. That's the problem. So it's not so much about the effect on the person that you may threaten them or you may intimidate them or so on but it's also that your reaction the way your curse is coming from something that's negative energy that you should not be having. And this case some say that the random holes, that's not because speech has an impact on the person but it's more because it has impact on you that you're cursing because it's coming from those negative feelings. I'll give you a few more sources as a Pearson R Bar Bernal and Bodacious 27A and by mid will 22:7 and Michelle Kaufmann bemidbar 2220. So this covers the topic to some extent and obviously cursing is never appropriate there are discussion. Can you curse a Russia or One that is completely abrogated sonar real criminal, but that's not for now. That's that's exceptions if anything and I'd rather not go into that right now, okay. Let's do some follow-up. We're going to do a few follow-up. There's three follow-up from asked for last few weeks and from some previous ones as well firstly. I spoke about walking by a church. So few people wrote that there's a secret from the lab a printed in volume 18. Look at the surface page 460 we talk about television and he Compares it to church and the letter says there that the meaning is not the walk by a church. And let me see here. So how does that fit with the limits Behavior itself? So you can say first of all maybe that I was speaking about a particular circumstance where the church did control our own the property and the street they clearly know Deb is not going to contradict himself like I mentioned last week at length. And may not be appropriate feeling to say that as I say in a public Street, which is not anything to do with the church is the church happens to be on that street. So but I wanted to add that. There's also special pace of Thompson Lambert. Hey 1975 that the Rebus there was a story that people standing on the grass of a church and they never said on the property of a church that needs could I stand up not feeling to stand there. But that again of course is the property so feed some feedback some follow-up that people wrote them. Another thing we spoke about in that was an episode to 49 in episode 2 43. We spoke about people someone asked about references for natural approach to dealing to dealing with depression. So someone wrote her a Robert Jacobson and response to the person who's asking for a natural approach to Healing depression. I would like to mention that there are physical disorders who symptoms mimic depression and people are often misdiagnosed hyper Paratha. The road destroyed is mmm And hypothyroidism hyper-paranoid hyperparathyroidism and hypothyroidism Celiac and other types of wheat sensitivity varies allergies deficiencies in vitamin D. Calcium B12 iron Etc. These should be ruled out first before that for diagnosing depression credit for most of this infos an article in Bina magazine. Okay. Thank you for that. As always. This is not a medical form of Any medical conclusions, it just really a platform where I try to share what comes my way and things that I'm aware of from the rebel see this or basic Common Sense between the lines. So thank you for that. But again, all these issues should always be addressed with professionals and one came and checked with our bottom to make sure it's all above board on every possible level. I always need to say that because that's the fact that the Taylor way. In episodes 155 that goes back a long way. There was a question. Is it my eight Sahara or My Dysfunctional childhood? I discussed that at length, how do you determine something is based on dysfunctionality or two units are opposed to something. You have more Choice over. So even this functionality we discussed you can do things about but it's obviously a different situation. So someone writes look at our yam. Yam Shabbos 7:16. 7:16 it was of course. It was Thompson gimbal The crucial first step is to identify the location of the illness whether it is caused by the crassness gross lewdness and Corruption. This is a translation of that. Ye may obvious physical body or by failing in this all powers. The person might be being inclined to understand to undesirable traits like arrogance or falsehood and the like or the source of the malady maybe habit inadequate rearing or unwholesome environment having brought on bad habits. Correct. So thank God that thank you that either that adds to the discussion. Thank you for that. Okay, we've covered the follow up. I will now do the see this question and the essays I want to add since we're talking about this. I just saw something at auction. Hey. Very interesting. It's actually I learned I'm teaching I am based in Mumbai you my and and volume to in the my modem about be rude him the killer who cast model because those my modem so the rebel the free Dakota besides those men bottom actually almost quotes it but adds to it is a very interesting piece that I just would be interesting if you want to look into it. It's on page 85 and safer my modern Thompson. Hey page 85 where he talks about. As well as page 84 I should say we talks about people's meters and how they are how we were born with being more crass and how we get refined even speaks about different ages and just don't quite unique and if you're interested look it up, it's the moment is I'm aiman Ella told us their top option. Hey, but it's a Hampshire of early my modern and continues on its on page. 84 85. Okay liquid will said the Milson Exodus question. Which in some way is also a follow-up to last week to some extent its own rights helical a car or creation. What does the tiny mean by saying that a soul is literally a piece of God? Okay. Look Ellicott, my mom manage the beginning of chapter 2. And how do you explain that the soul and God are two half images as you discussed last week had soon as the Taylor of the bond market. It's a little more breakdown of the question. Hi, Rabbi Jacobsen. My question for you. Today is as follows. It says in Chapter 2 of Tanya that the neshamah of every Jew Zak Kayla kalika the malm Amish a piece of God literally, so my question basically is is every Jew got For he has a piece of God within him on the other hand. We are creations of Hashem and we have a Mitzvah to pray to him to God every day. So please explain this concept that every Jew has a piece of God within him and what does this mean? So firstly let me refer you to episode 130 where I discussed the meaning of Calico to come in mom Amish also commentaries and we're good place to look is see this move attend Tanya move huertas where he brings all the different interpretations in this meaning in wedding. Is from the free Dakota but they're skeptical and Hamish Hamish a helical the car but there's also sometimes interpretation and Mom is referring to my muscles that literally tangibly manifests itself in the tangible part of the person and helical the chamomile means my mild means the more Sublime and higher levels. So you have the other different commentaries as far as this question goes. There's a big question, of course a philosophical theological questions. Something is a piece of God. What does that mean? God is indivisible that we discussed in In episode 1 30 there's the chef at all on it. And a couple is Campbell has that really speak about the topic long before the time regarding your question. So there's an interesting expression Exodus that in the Summers elocution a ce'nedra godliness that became a novella. Which one is it Eliquis we know is not an even elocutionist Endeavor. So from this we derived that yes in the summer is definitely an entity. That becomes an evident as it travels like we say Michelle Michelle assadi be too highly pure a tabula rasa. You've created what the neshamah at the authority you've saved it at an effect to be you've instilled in me at the Muhammad al-baqir me you protected in within me. So as as the tiny explains and a number of my money, we spend the summer goes through a journey gradations. It begins in the highest level. The shaman is slow because she beautiful cool Cut which needs its own explanation, which I'll talk about in a moment, but then the summer goes through layers and levels and each level. It assumes garments until it becomes inevitable meaning something not like Amala something that can be installed in a body and against Iran exist in this material world and still retain its neshama qualities. So what do we mean by that and let's make it out. Another question. Everything is created by God. This table is chair. R would Stones animals every atom so why do we suddenly say an ashram is Ella Coos Kaylee Kaylee? Come on, Mama's and and what the spark the Divine elocution side of the stone is not a part of God. The answer is that God created things in different ways the things that maintain and retain Divine personality and a summit isn't just that God created it. It retains it created in a way that has written a Divine personality. So this talks about 8/18 of can move on obviously God is not a God is not even a mile is not a source of light and yet light and God does not need to create light and what is it you could have the cruise ship the Cybermen are that's not the primary thing of God. That gives off light but once it light does give off its comes as my enemy where a reflection of the Divine a ceilidh under the hand a container or yes is also created by God, but it's created in a way that does not retain the vine properties and divine attributes. So that's what in the sum is the sum is that the lacrosse is retained in it. It's a Divine entity that retains Divine quality so it can come into this world in a body and an animal Soul which don't have Divine qualities in the revealed way and it refined those elements to become Divine then you reveal the SM that's embedded in the yesh in the Gulf. Yes. I'm ETS and evil, but as far as in Gilliam goes and the summit has The Gleam of Ilocos, but then it does Gillian travel and come. Into this world into a new era so it's a helical come in my mom. Is she saying the following only one God that's clear. But God in a sense imparted part of himself, like isil is metsa who guard imparted into a neshama. So why is that a Haley can't say God has a hillock. It's an our words to say that this is a piece like saying something creative. It's LM Elder Kimball. God has no image, but he manifested a part of himself into the image into the Neshama, so it's a critical and it's mannish mamas apiece. I should take this boom. It's just a tape is because the interruption high that I misspoke if it's Davis Macaulay, why are you called the Mid-South? Say, oh, okay, because in Gilliam it's archaic in our language when we look at it. It looks like on the shaman this person, but in the add some is tacit connects to the core and Carries over the core personalities of divine personality to transform this world into a Divine home. As far as the second part of the question hurts, it showed us so I refer you to I am bass volume to chapter. I believe shinpei dollar and on 384 non the revenue shop literally for over 700 Pages explains this maggot and he begins by saying exactly this line. He says, Stephen Mangan says had Citrus to images. I knew a college bar cover classes this low and cover your whole Constitution Muslims as their car vehicle to have some an image think of think of you have a mosaic one image you cut it into half. So you need both. They complement each other Co vehicle the medic of an elaborate shop says I'll clean the silver Gilly that the intention is not on the headset and the LV Gilly events. Tough and also by an islamist role as it comes revealed in the neshama. Because the SM you wouldn't say two halves. There's no parts. There's no image at all. So this is in Gilliam. They become down and explains it further more in detail. Okay, that's the this question and the relevance of course to us is that we are not just creations. We are agents of God were ambassadors that carry Divine powers. That traveled through all the levels to come and not be part of the problem. But we part of the solution when your creature you're part of the system. So you follow the guidelines like every animal and every season and every creature in this world follows the guidelines, but you want to transform the world you need a divine power and the shaman carries Divine energy as a Divine slea that carries that energy into this world with the power to not just survive not just to conform to the system but to transform it into home for godliness in this world not let's do the city supplied essays three essays. This is still last year's essay contest first is true. Peace is realistic. By who the levenger? Age 19 Jerusalem Israel Soul Mom. It is a monstrosity. She speaks about the different conflicts that we have in our lives and which seems to be conflicts that can never end and the fact of the matter is he identifies the problem that it seems like there's a economy. Hey brings based on Kabbalah exceed this that shows how you can find that Unity within existence. And brings actual practical ideas that allows implementations and actions that allow us to achieve this type of unity. And allows us to see a broader perspective where things come together on the one rubric on the one unifying field. Nicely done Hebrew as I said with very good examples and bullets and a special album name of ultimately creating peace even among paradoxes and differences. That's a say one. The next essay is Will and Desire by Raquel system in Atlanta, Georgia. And she writes on the topic will desire we Face commitments at every turn in life. We commit to ourselves our jobs and our relationships often once commitments are made. We are in power mode doing whatever we can to fulfill our goal. Over 50% of the people United States make New Year's resolutions and less than eight eight percent of these people keep their resolve. It goes on to say that citizens Direction on gaining an awareness of what our will is so when I say, I promise how to keep commitments when we become unmotivated and the benefits of enduring and following through goes on to explain what is rotten the essence of man that desire speaks about to Two Chains inner and outer identify both and then six steps for Effective follow through with the with acronym honest how the H of honest the details optimize the oh and is now e evaluate an S speak. s and one Morty think so you have five they're honest and it's broken down a very good structure very practical plan and I liked it as a lot and I think it can really be useful to people. Okay, finally the third essay for today's episode is to remain happy and conflict Menachem. Mendel wolf age 30 Netanya. Israel is job is a mechanic. Attempted we must abandon the Tanya. again again in Hebrew and he talks about the problem as a marriage conflict marital conflicts and the great Shaman how to maintain true love despite differences. The challenges especially in our modern world. What is a distorted form of love and how we address it how we confronted? And then we come to realize what is the healthy love and healthy love can have two different voices. And knowing how to reconcile them and taking the best Inspire both. To find Unity even within conflict. So it's a little creative someone Innovative approach and I think another very good contribution to the entire discussion on this challenging issue. So with that we conclude my life's has supplied episode 250 250 episodes and welcome all your comments your feedback on these topics that any topics all questions will be addressed. Everyone have a simcha Ditka other not the shiny. Only Milan be Katie's Day vanilla vanilla, true reveal joy in the fullest sense of the word. Joy that brings Unity a joy that gives you strength to deal with your challenges. Like he says in Tanya when you do with joy, you have much more confidence and much more courage. You have much more will power to overcome any Challenge and we should only have good news to celebrate together. And from the goal of putting should go to the Ghulam. It is Vash Lima. Cut admonish and each of us do our part in spreading citizen teaching cities and reaching every part of the world with scissors if we're here. We're here every Sunday 8:00 to 9:00 p.m. So I have a very blessed and sympathetic week called move. Everybody be well.

Addressing the Personal and Emotional Needs of Our Community and Answering the Most Pressing Questions of Our Lives -- from the Perspective of Chassidic Thought. TOPICS • Chassidus Applied to Vayakhel, Shabbos Mevarchim Adar II and Shekalim 2:53 • Can we speak after saying the bedtime hamapil prayer? 13:26 • Shidduchim: What should I do when nothing seems to work? 19:18 • What should our attitude be to the recent MicDrop issue? 23:32 • How do I know if I am making the right choice? 38:57 • Is one allowed to curse another person? 44:15 • Follow-up:     o Walking past a church (episode 249) 48:47     o Natural Approach to Dealing with Depression (episode 243) 50:09     o Is it my yetzer hara or my dysfunctional childhood? (episode 155) 51:32 • Chassidus question: What does the Tanya mean by saying that a soul is literally a “piece of G-d”? And how do you explain that the soul and G-d are “two half images”? 53:44 • My Life 2018 essays:     o True Peace is Realistic! Yehuda Levinger, 19, Jerusalem, Israel 01:01:15     o Will and Desire, Rachel Schusterman, Atlanta, GA 01:02:30     o To Remain Happy in Conflict, Menachem Mendel Wolf, 30, Netanya, Israel 01:03:56 Submit your question now at http://www.meaningfullife.com/mylifelive or email: [email protected].

Bello fiends welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to this micro sewed of nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this is a micro sewed of Nightmare on Elm Street a little bonus minisode. Yeah. This is just our little in-betweener episode because you only hear our full-length episodes every two weeks and we thought that was too long. So in the interstitial week, we are going to download you on some horror news and also give you a head start on the next week's films can watch them in advance. You have a whole week and then you can Shop with us next Thursday to do our full-length chat. I am very very excited to talk about these movies as well. No surprise because you picked them. Yeah, that's right. These are my birthday picks guys every July Kim and I both have birthdays in July and we both have these selfishly curated podcast episodes where we pick two movies that we just want to talk about for no good goddamn reason. Which I think leads us perfectly to July @n o FS podcast and nmfs. Podcast.com next month's theme for our website and episodes is called greedyguts. Yeah, this is the first time we've extended it to the website. So we're very excited. We have our 40 some odd contributors participating and we are talking selfish picks underrated films guilty pleasures all of those favorite films that just don't get enough attention in the Limelight and I were just celebrating. Our weird favorite films the films that made us the horror fans we are today. So there's going to be tons of stuff and it's not just limited to films over on the site. We're doing games. We got some articles on board games coming soundtracks and it's going to be amazed. I know I really really want to talk about some of the stuff that that is coming in July, but obviously, I don't want to steal the Thunder from any of our writers, but just know that they are ready to defend some movies that you I think are bad but they love deeply I mean, I'm excited. It's going to be a really great month of horror fans. Just coming out of the woodwork with like they're really odd opinions and I'm so excited starting with us because John your birthday month. We have called the sound of Screams and we'll get to those two films in a little bit. But what's keeping you creepy with this week John. What's the news? Well, I'm saying it for a little while now jump-scares season is upon us. That's what the summer is. All about and sharks and sharks. Of course, they don't you of course. What are you talking about? There was like a Basketball movie in the 90s trucks. Don't jump great whites. Don't jump. I think that's what it was called. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. So Annabelle comes home is coming to theaters this weekend right now. Yeah, I think it's in the theater right now engines used but whatever I looked at show times today. Oh Wednesday when we're recording this and I could see it tonight. If I had time, yeah, but we don't so we're hitting it up at the drive-in this weekend, which is perfect because excited it is going to be our second June Surprise episode for our patreon listeners. We're doing a drive home from the driving review of that which will be recording whenever we had to drive in this weekend and it is a long weekend this weekend Canada, you know, we were born or something and so we'll hopefully have that up by Monday, but that's over on patreon patreon.com / Film Street, that's an exclusive episode. You can get that in supporting the show with a monthly pledge. If you're already doing it, you'll get it if you want to join us you'll get it as well. I am actually really excited to check this movie. I am too so good. I don't know if I've ever been this excited for an animal movie before and I'm really feeling it with just the idea of all these little side Critters having their day in the sun. Like perfect don't give them in a whole a whole friggin movie just give them 15 minutes and let him spook me and like get out of the way. We have another one so smart too and like when I think about all of the things Zai loved about Annabelle creation. It was kind of Side characters. Yeah, like there was all those creepy Barn talking scarecrow, right? Yeah. I'm really digging it. I'm excited to check an animal gets to kind of be like the conductor of it all she gets to just be like well guess who's out of her case and let everybody loose. It's gonna be great. I'm looking forward to it. Plus we get to see child's play again. Yeah, they're playing at the driving together and we're late. But uh, yeah, if we if we get there on Sunday we get to see child. Play Annabelle Godzilla and the Intruder in the strangest all-nighter of current films. Yeah, it's cool though that there's four genre films in cinemas right now to be made into that. Yeah. Yeah, then have to lump it in with a kids movie. I mean I would have liked a little bit of trump. We're gonna I was gonna say we could swap out John Wick for the Intruder. I'm sorry Intruder, it's not I just I'd like to suggest wrong Wicked Dawn would be great like your exhaust and you like, okay, maybe I'm just gonna and then Um what comes on you're just like like just as the sun's coming up watch it an exchange like Parabellum like yes, that's right. I don't know what that means. It's is prepare for war. I learned in the third act. Yeah, I'll come on those a great review. It was Gregg's I was like, oh my God, I didn't know what the title meant. I didn't bother to look that word up. And I was like, oh, yeah, cool. That's oh there's a choice to be made. Sure Parabellum or Keanu. Yeah. Give him a book again, Carpe Pella bear. Carpe Le diems boy also news this week scream season 3 the trailer dropped in a big surprise and we have our original Ghostface. It's going to be interesting is it have to do with the other two seasons? That's a good question. I actually haven't watched the second season but no big fans of the show were disappointed when that second season came and went and then it was just kind of radio silence for Like two years hasn't it? Been almost two years crazy? Yeah, and it's not the season 3 is not even going to be on MTV anymore. It's going over to VH1 and by the sounds of it they're dumping those episodes and like a three-day stretch. That means perfect for bingen. I love a good series dump. I mean honestly, I actually would I actually do wish that this is how Netflix would roll out some of their new series. I wish they would have food chunks. Yeah. I would like a nice chunk a Girls right now just and trunk. Yeah, just like a chump because it's like, oh my God, I haven't finished good girls and you have this weird binge itch because you haven't finished it. Yeah. I'm not okay with that. But if there were only like three episodes a week to watch I'm fine with that because I can binge but then I can also go back to having a life and appropriate amount of time. Yeah, you gotta you gotta carve out a nice line each home for your personal somebody to designate my my content for me into bin jabal trunks. We gotta stop doing this. I hope you guys have seen Kroll Show. Sense, but yeah, like don't think they really do kind of format their series now to have like, oh people are going to watch maybe three maybe four episodes at a time. Not so well John, it's six episodes. Okay me personally. I at least I can see a thread that goes through two to three to six episodes of time. Where you okay, cool. This is a this is a good spot to pause and come back later. Like I love bingen, but I don't like binging 13 hours in a row. It kills. As me and then I just I don't enjoy the second half. My girls better is better because I'm fucking amazing. I don't care. Are you still watching Netflix pops up being like do you want to take a shower? No, that'd be the best. I think it's time to order a second pizza. Oh boy also news HS American Horror Story 1984. The slasher season that's coming. This September think it's September 19th. It premieres very cool. That's on FX surprise surprise. They've been one of that with them for like This is season eight season nine. This is season I season 1000 this is gonna be exciting season. They're going to slasher. It's one of the classic horror subgenres that American Horror Story hasn't touched on yet. And it's a huge one. So it'll be interesting to catch up the the how they're going to do it in there American Horror Story style because normally slasher you start with all of your characters and then you count back from there, but HS is known to kind of Of interweave different characters throughout the season. So I don't know are we going to have everybody up in the first episode and then the characters get lessened by each remaining episode. We'll have to see if you really cool if that season premiere is like super crazy wild like the opening to Friday the 13th remake you introduce a dozen characters and they're all fucking dead by the end credits. You're like, where do we go from here? Like Surprise episode 2 Billy Eichner back like yay and some Halloween, too. News over at house Blum not confirmed by them, but there is a lot of Rumblings on Halloween to of the David Gordon green franchise. Jamie Lee Curtis is and talks to return as well as Judy Greer and Andy matichek as the Strode women. I don't know if there are three roles have been confirmed yet, which is probably why Blum House hasn't confirmed the news. Yeah, but multiple Outlets are reporting that whoo Greenlight Thumbs Up Halloween to is a go. So oh and next year, they're saying no 2020 release so very cool. Yeah. I'm excited. Like I'm Michael Meyers movie for Halloween time who's gonna say no to that. No one's gonna be upset about that. I like movies. Yeah and next next weekend Midsummer area Esters follow-up to Reddit area is coming out the fun in the sun summer scares liquor man for Millennials. Yeah Pagan Festival flower crown situation is happening. I'm Excited for it. I think it's going to be beautiful and gorgeous and slightly traumatizing which is you know, what I'm about. Yeah. I'm about that. It's movie looks like it's gonna be a bummer. I like really like yeah, I'm really excited. I think it's going to be gorgeous. So I'm pumped for that. That is July 4th. I believe July 3rd Eye third, which makes the Sounder because everybody's got the fourth off. Wait, does that mean? Wednesday July 3rd. I Think It's gotta be. Okay. Sure. Yeah long weekend. Yeah. All right, make sense. How you guys doing your long weekend. If you live in the state's you guys get Thursday Friday off. Yeah, or do you just do just take it you guys all this not working - yeah, we should just not work. I like that and I like your things. Let's say it's driving Sunday and we just won't come by mean. Hey that drive-ins like right on the border. There's a pretty good chance. They got another all-nighter going next weekend. You guys should calm definitely nigra Falls. Their child's play Annabelle naps. Look for the cool RV in the plug. Okay. So let's get into it. Let's talk about next week's movies, John you can do the honors because it's your picks. It's your birthday. I'm very excited and I want to State my case on it. Oh my state my case, but I got something to say about about one of these movies next week. Next week's episode is called the sound of Screams and we are talking about Brian De Palma's blowout. 1981 and Peter. Brooklyn's Berberian Sound Studio from 2012 I'll wait for your applause to movies that Center on sound design and Foley work which is perfect for a podcast. I guess like two movies that just brilliantly use sound and are two of my favorite movies especially blowout. I don't know how many times I see blowout but that movie is it gets better and better every time and Brilliant Sound Studio odd Choice one day. I'm gonna figure Card, it's so bizarre. I still don't think I get it. I'm talking to other idea what it means know that it's wonderful. I've talked to other people. I'm just like I really respect your opinion. You're a really smart person. Tell me what I'll tell me what this movie is and then like well, I think it's this this and this and it's like that's that's pretty close to what I was saying, but I don't know if any of us know what this movie it's like talking to somebody about Mulholland Drive. You're like, oh that's a good theory. Maybe one day. We'll Crack the Code. All right, John save it for next week. We are going to talk. About those two movies in depth and you can only get that here at Nightmare On Film Street, wherever you're subscribed. I don't know where you're listening to it now, but we're on a podcast Spotify Stitcher Google Play. You can also stream on our website at NTFS podcast.com. Oh, I'll so please please please. I'm begging you. I'm begging you if you haven't seen blowout and you've never heard of it. You're like, oh Brian De Palma. Yeah. He did. He did carry Phantom of The Paradise. That's cool. Both really great mood both super great movies and then you look this one up. You're like what? Is got John Travolta and it I'm begging you. I am please please if you're planning on listing in next week's episode, please watch this movie. We are definitely going to spoil the ending and I really don't want to do that to you. I really really want you to see the tell how guilty of a pleasure this movie it is. So Thriller my earring hook, it's got a mystery. It's Hitchcock e it'll be it's like an American giallo, right? Like I shouldn't say that I shouldn't say that dress two kills in America's yellow leather. And follow me super-good check it out, but blowout is is a thriller but it has probably one of the darkest endings ever and the greatest villain. Yeah, and you might have a hard time trying to find it to stream. If you do hit up your local library because that one will definitely be yeah, that's a good study ish movie. It's got some fun mystery and sounds and stuff. So your library might have it and Berberian Sound Studio is definitely on Netflix. Definitely on shutter shutter. It was Netflix. Good job shutter. All right, looking forward to next week cannot wait to share my birthday pics with you guys until then though. I'm John Kim. Stay creepy. It appears. You made it out alive. Just long enough to tell the tale of The Nightmare on film Street. Wow, help us grow The Horde leave a review on iTunes. iTunes or wherever you subscribe continue this week's conversation on Twitter by following and in ofs podcast and is always more terror can be found lurking on our website www.marriageguy.com film Street podcast.com Until next week stay creepy fiends. Until next week stay creepy fiends.

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to thank everyone in the Showbiz dope Community for helping us reach 26 thousand downloads. We're very excited. I encourage all of you guys to start a podcast yourself and spread the message of recovery. I use an app called anchor and anchors free anchor has creation tools that allow you to record and edit your own podcast right from your phone to computer and anchor will also distribute your podcast to Apple and Spotify and all Major platforms you can make money from your podcast and it's everything you need in one place download the free Anka app or go to Anka dot f m-- the get started. Thank you. You life is short. It's too short to live depressed. It's too short to live anxious and it's too short to struggle every day with thinking about taking your life. I want to challenge you tonight to get up that you're not quitting tonight that one day. It is appointed on to all Men to die, but that is God's responsibility not mine. And so I don't know who I'm preaching to tonight, but I want to say to you get up future is brighter than your past. I want to say to you in the balcony get up. Your ladder is greater than your phone or I want to say to every person in this room. If you only have 24 hours in a day, your success is dependent upon how you use the 24. You got to hear me people talk about Oprah Winfrey, you know Ted Turner Warren Buffett. Listen to me. I don't care how much money you make you only get 24 hours in a day in a difference between over and the person that's broke is over uses her 24 hours wisely. That's it. Listen to me. That's it. You get 24. I don't care you broke you grew up broke. I don't care who grew up rich. I don't care. If you're in college, you're not in college. You only get 24 hours and I blew up literally. I went from being a high school dropout to selling 6,000 books in less than six months. What happened my 24 hours. I was like, okay. Are you got to get a grip on your 24 hours because you're about to be broke for the rest of your life and they're just all I need you to do for me. I can tell you all about your life. If you just write down your 24-hour schedule for me. You let me look at it. I can tell you where you going to be in five years. I can tell you where you going to be in 10 years. I can tell you when you going to be 20 years if you keep that schedule. There are few people in this room. That know what it's like to be in a situation where everything in your flesh is saying give up and yet you're in a situation where it sometimes you're standing not because you're so strong. You just don't have any other option. It's not that you didn't think about quitting. It's not that you didn't fantasize about quitting. It's not that you didn't dream about quitting as if not that you're so tenacious and so strong but life is got compressed in a corner and you simply cannot let go of anything and you have to stand there in the middle of the storm and keep pumping your head with the faith. Beer and just say just hanging there just just just just don't give up this distance. Don't just don't give up some kind of way. You're going to get through this. Are you committed because without commitment nothing happens, you have to be committed through the storm and the rain and the heartache and the pain and the disappointment or you're not gonna make it. It's a commitment is not a feeling while he was golfing. I was studying while they were shooting Hoops. I was studying while he was playing game then sit up and eat them joking in the restaurant. I will study it. You can't get out of something something that you're not willing to put into it. You have to put you're everything you're everything you're mind your energy your effort your discipline. Your tenacity. Nothing is going to jump out the fire if you don't throw It's not gonna happen. But if we fight every day one of them days gonna be my day, I rock bottom I was broke and I was broken. I got fired from five different jobs. And then I got pregnant with my son unexpectedly and then at 8 months, my son's father went to prison and when my son was eight months old, I went to the ATM to get $20 out the bank because I didn't have any Pampers for and in order to get $20 out. She got that $20 in. In I had eleven dollars and 42 cents and I still can't tell the story without getting emotional because my story for two days. I have to wrap my son and a towel but something happens to even those two days my son laying on his back at eight months. I have a towel over and I have my hand on his stomach saying don't you worry Jelani. Mommy will never be this broke again, and I made a decision. I was bankrupt and every stinking thinking Had I was bankrupt trying to protect my pride. I was bankrupt and trying to be all that and a bag of chips and a bowl of grits falsified. I was bankrupt and trying to not ask anyone for help. I was bankrupt and everything that was holding me and keeping me where I was. I've always talked a good game, but I wasn't doing anything with my gift and all that thing about potential. I was tired of having potential. I want to have my now and I looked at that baby at eight months, and I said, I want to transform your life. As you didn't ask to come into this chaos as an African American male child in South Central Los Angeles with a single mother whose fathers in prison. He had a 66% chance of going to prison himself not on my watch not on my watch. So if I have to be willing to drastically transformed myself so that I can become the woman that I know I can be and that's what I begin to do. I was Radical see my grandmother said that Conviction and comfort don't live in the same block. Hmm. If you going to be convicted about something you might have to go to some discomfort, but if you want to stay comfortable, why don't you just relax where you are? Cause that's where you gonna stay right? And so are you willing to reinvent who you are? Are you willing to kill away the cross the nation. Are you going to kill away the excuses the blame game? I never let people to call me a single mom by my title. I'm Lisa Nichols who happens to be a single mother don't Define me by my circumstances. Define me by my intention at some point. I have to stop asking can I be great can I be brilliant? Can I be okay and still be accepted? I just stopped asking permission and just gave notice unapologetically not in a braggadocious way not no way that shrunk anyone else in a way that said I only got one life I'ma ride this one to the wheels fall off and that was the beginning of me rescuing myself. I realize that I am my rescue. No one else is my rescue. When I tell you there is some times in life where you fall down. You feel like you don't have the strength to get back up. The reason you're here is because there's something in you that says I can do more. I'll tell you something you think you will be 19 for the rest of your life. You have an opportunity right now that you will never have. You owe you an explanation you owe you an explanation. You need to look at yourself in the mirror and say why are you only giving 50% what's wrong with you? You need to put yourself on punishment. You need to tell you no more TV no more snacks. No more desserts no more. No, we working out now. No no more alcohol. Not right now not know I can't handle it right now. You need to tell you that you owe you something stopped. Back to you. Keep going to the mall with the receipt. This is what ya'll said. It was Glenn. You didn't do what you said you was going to do. Well, you didn't do what you were supposed to do. So, how am I going to do? What I was supposed to do for you you walk out of this room you owe yourself. I didn't get here making excuses. So what my father wasn't in my life, the truth of the matter is he ain't never come into my life. So what I'ma wait for the rest of my life for my man to come. He ain't coming. I live in America. I'm an African American male. They don't treat us to say it's something called racism. I ain't gonna cry about it. It's probably going to be racism to the day I die. But I'm not going to cry about it. I'm still going to be a millionaire. I'm still going to be one of the top motivational speakers in the world. No, I didn't grow up on that side of the Town know my mama don't have no network. No, I don't know a whole lot of people know I'm not at a country club. No, I don't play golf and I don't plan on playing no time soon, but I'm still going to be successful. I'm still going to get you where they are. Why because I owe it to myself and can't nobody stop me, but me You need to get rid of them excuses. You need to stop pointing fingers at people and you start pointing fingers at yourself. What did you not do? Scream to me the other night. Hey Will. I want to be active and I want to be an actor just like you, you know, usually people say stuff to me like that. I'm like, yeah, man, you know you do is give them an encouraging word, but I was just sitting here thinking and it dawned on me 99% of people that say stuff like that are not willing to do what it takes to make their dreams come true. The Marines have a saying everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die and that's just real actor. Center of bringing any dream into fruition is self-discipline, you know some something as simple as food and eating it's not about your body as much as it is about your mind. It's getting command of your mind to be able to choose actions that are in your own best interest every day. We are choosing shit that's not in our own best interest. Right? So if the world is attacking you the world wants to fight you in the world's trying to hold you down. So you're going to kick yourself in the balls. Do you don't stop yourself from getting what you dream self-discipline is the center of all material success. You cannot win the war against the world. If you can't win the war against your own mind taking responsibility accepting responsibility is not an admission of guilt. Now you're not you're not Admitting that you're at fault taking responsibility is a recognition of the power that you cease when you stop blaming people, it's not like you're letting somebody who wronged you off the hook like taking responsibility as an act of Emotional Self. Defense taking responsibility is taking your power back. I believe that self-discipline is Is the definition of self love that when you say that you love yourself. That means that you have Behavior toward yourself. That is loving. It's like you say to yourself a man. Look. I know you want to eat that pizza and it'll be really good, you know, but I can't let you eat that man. Because if you eat that pizza, you don't feel like shit, you know, and I just I love you too much to let you eat that and I think the word discipline has kind of gotten a bad name. We think about it in terms of punishment. I'm not I'm not talking about discipline in that way. I'm talking about discipline in the sense that you you forgo immediate pleasure for the exchange of long-term. Self-respect self-love is when you say to yourself man, look, I know you and that girl got a A real connection. I know y'all Vibe, but that's your girl's cousin. So I love you too much to let you do that self-love is a look. I know you got a test on Monday, you know, and I know you really want to go out with your friends and Saturday night he want to go out. But if you fail that test you're not going to feel good about yourself. You know, I just I love you too much to let you go. Go out tonight. Self-discipline is self-love. If you want to be happy, you have to love yourself, which means you have to discipline your behavior. The road to sustained happiness is through disciplining your behavior to watch me watch me. A true Hunter is wired differently. He's wired differently that had a same. Wake up. Listen to me. What makes a gazelle a gazelle is how he's wired? When a lion sees a gazelle and the gazelle sees the lion both be seeing each other at the exact same time when the gazelle sees the lion because of how he's wired. He automatically fear takes over when the lion sees a gazelle. He likes up it's showtime. The Hunters on this is what I was made for and if you ever studied a lion in his natural environment watch this guy's if an animal is wounded the lion won't even do what won't attack Right through this some of you there are opportunities that you like it's too difficult. It's too hard. Nobody can do it. You're not wired properly lying welcome to challenge matter of fact, they don't get excited unless it is a challenge because they'll immediately when a gazelle immediately sees the lion the first thing you think about is let's go First thing the lion does like let's eat. So you got to do me a huge favor if you don't get to a certain level, you got a welcome it so so everybody's like a team and you're so positive everything in your life, man. You just you just got it going on. I'm a real lion with a real lion. You'll never know. You'll never know what's going on in my life because I'm a lying and under every single circumstance. I'm a lion. So I lost five on skin cancer in the last six years. I lost to last year's lying still tgim or Ashley. My eyes death made me go and do tgim. Like I never did you see awareness is the big deal. We want to become aware of the obvious opportunities that are available to us. We are surrounded by opportunity there everywhere you go. There is an abundance. There's no shortage of opportunity. Can win and we can win in a big way now when we lack awareness we miss the opportunity. I don't want to die. Not having completely burnt out every single possibility of my Humanity. I just I just want to die when I leave this planet. I want everybody's did that used it all up. Not another thing. I can do. I want you to take a real honest look at your results. And when you look at them ask yourself, am I living the way I really want to live the fundamental key to success is what you believe is true for yourself. Not what you want. What you desire? It's what do you believe most people are going to look at you kind of strange. What are you going there for you want their last month? What are you listening to that for? You? Listen to that before? What do you read Nick? What do you read the same book over and over for they don't understand and you see their advertising their ignorance by the questions, they ask when we get into the success Zone everything in our life starts to change but understand this you're going to be a bit of a nut you're out of the box. You're not one of the masses and when you get out of the box, But your whole world starts to ship thing that I that I strive to do. Best is be here be now right here right now good habits will give you results that stick bad habits will destroy everything. I have some bad happens. That's right. All my habits are not great. So if you've got some bad habits don't feel bad. So does your next-door neighbor? So does your Mentor your coach? So does your mother and father after all? Hi, so does everyone and the trick of life is to replace a bad habit with a good habit? Hey Denis was an is continues to be but continues to inspire me is a primal and fundamental desire to fulfill the highest expression of myself as a human being. Let me speak to that person that feels like they lost they were that they found. This is the dollar bill. Now if I go to the store and there's something for 90 cents cannot buy with this dollar bill. Okay? All right. So if I go to the store and there's something for 85 cents and after tax and ends up being 96 cents cannot buy with this dollar bill. Okay are so what if eyeball the dollar bill up think about it now? Like I just bought the dollar bill up like so we can't be worth a dollar now. Probably worth like ninety five cents, right? How much you think it's worth a dollar. This is this a y'all gotta pay attention. I just bought it up so clearly it's not worth $1 anymore. Alright. Alright, so maybe what if I step on it? What about stop it? I just thought it how much is it worked out maybe 65 68 cents. It's still worth a dollar. Okay. What if I borrow them what if I start morning and then I put it in the trash can and it's in here with some trash and it's around some beer. Here is some gunk in the bunch of other nasty stuff and some guy off the street pulls the dollar out unfolds it. How much is it work now, maybe 82 cents and make what come on at least 92 cents. It's okay are so what about bowling? Huh? What if I step on it? What if I put it in the trash and then watch this? I'll tear the half. Think about it now, right? How much is it work now a dollar I could tape it. What will swivel we wait? Wait. Wait a second. Wait a second. I just I just bought it up. I just stepped on it. I put it in trash. I pulled it out. Then. I toured a half and you mean to tell me I could pick the dollar up. I can wipe it off and I could put some tape around it and it's still worth a dollar then why if this dollar doesn't lose its work that was value? Then why do you feel like you've lost super it's about you because many of you feel like you just stepped on you feel like you've been pushed aside. You feel like you've been abandoned you feel like you could talk about you feel like you've been abused like someone took from you. Someone hurt you somebody took advantage of you and deep down inside your core. You feel like you've lost some of your value and I am here to tell you today that this daughter still has worked in value because there are some many years ago who put value on with his life instead of the matter. What happened through? Make a stupid tape it together. It gets to be wiped off and I am here to tell you that you were created in you're born and you here and you have light and you have Perfect Skin you have value and know you've gone through some hard times and know you've experiencing some depression and you might need want to hurt yourself and you might want to give up. I am here to tell you we still got work in value and there is nothing that can happen that could take your worth in your value away. So what you gotta do now, you got to pick yourself up dust yourself off and you got to keep moving. She wowed Proctor is one of the guys anybody you familiar with. The book The Secret is one of the master teachers and I had an opportunity for him to be my mentor and it was funny. I never forget we were talking and He said to me son. How much do you charge? It's about a year ago. Let's the $10,000. I was excited I come from poverty Glenn. I've come from a working-class. I'm here tonight. I can do 20 gigs a month 10 by my mother never never made 10,000 at one time. I'm excited. He said $10,000. Okay. Yeah, he said what else? What else do you do? I said I've got the book The Secret of success is how you sell a book. Uh, I was asking to be bent or not insulted. He's know your little book you still selling books. I said still still I'm sorry. I'm from Detroit high school dropout no more. Nobody on my block is an author. Nobody in my family is an author when you say steel help me out. What do you mean by still we made over a million dollars the first year. What do you mean steal? This is Eric Nam. Really makes good money off of books, but Chicken Soup for the Soul. He said you give this away and you turn it into an extension program. I said who he said in the century program kid. He said listen to me little tgim thing you doing that's what people who are really want a lot. There's a group out there. They want to learn how you did it from top to bottom. So you need a program University online. He's been $10,000 you one of the best in the world. He said do me a favor. Let's start at least a 20 I saw him six months later. These are houses 20 thing coming I said, it's going Great, sir. He said what do you mean is going great. I told him 20 and everybody's doing it. He said that's a problem. Lions are wired differently. I said, what do you mean? It's a problem. You told me to say 20. I said 29 and give me 20. I guess it's a trip. He said no this thing. Yes. It's a problem. Say a number that is going to say no to you. Tell him a hundred and see where it falls so I bet you won't be anywhere close to 20 - what? He said your problem is you think like a kid you think like a kid who came from poverty? You think I could kill whose mama had him at 17 years old. That's how you think. You're not wired to be who you've been calling be what you need to think is not how you see the world. But what you need to see is how the world sees you and the world doesn't see you as a 10,000 years the world sees you as much. Bigger and when you can see yourself as the world sees you and not how you see yourself as when you go to another level. Let me tell you something. You got it walk out of here the way you see yourself as a problem. It's always a result of a commitment to Excellence intelligent planning and focused effort. You're not going to be the best. You're not going to catch the best if you're not intentional and deliberate and there are those of you in your in your space and whatever you're trying to do. You don't even represent the best in your space and you still not given under 20, you're trying to catch the guy you're trying to guess the female. That's the best and you waking up and giving me 70% you giving me any percent. But yet you have these dreams that you're going to be the best how You're still watching TV. Somebody said Eric. Have you not seen in America everybody? Have you not seen Scandal? You must watch Scandal. It's the best sitcom at have you not seen Scandal? I said, it's a scandal. I'm not watching it. So Scandal, I'm not watching it. Come on in ten o'clock at night. I'm in the bed. I gotta wake up make my Scandal become a real. This is Stan, but I can't watch this. Fargo Home Instead Scandal was great, but I just can't do it on my time. On my way to Australia. I didn't do Scandal when I'm trying to catch Jim wrong. I didn't do Scandal where I'm trying to learn from John Maxwell ER from my friend Les Brown. I'm not I'm not watching Scandal. So you got to do me a huge favor and I'm asking you with a when you leave today. I want you to look at some things that you're doing the 30% now where the 20 percent or 10 percent and I'm gonna need you to let it go. Just brought seen a lot and I just was like, yo, I don't want that no more. And so what are the things that stop me and from being successful and I saw it females was one. You know I'm saying I'm like yo, it seemed like and still undefeated heavyweight champion. Like you're just see like return Bros get my father had multiple kids by multiple women, you know, I got a sister I found out you know, when I was older that I had that's only a few months younger than me. You know, I'm saying she might be nine month. Like I was just like yo, bro. I disrespected my family. Everybody got to go through they whatever I like yo, I don't want that life no more. Like I don't want to lose. So I start looking at Power egos lot of dues fail because of their ego, you know, they can't be too man. They can't serve nobody else, you know, and then money, you know, I'm saying I just saw just people would just get money like I grew up in Motown. So these young dudes will come great musicians and end up smoking crack or cocaine. It just losing me. Remind you look at Marvin Gaye, you know Al Al Green or the like to hear Sam Cooke like some of the most talented people Michael Jackson even Whitney Houston and I just start realizing like yo, if you don't deal with your demons, they ain't going nowhere. They not gonna stay in the closet. And so I was like, yo, you got to discipline yourself. I start looking at Mother Teresa Gandhi and I was like, yo, bro. Gandhi would go fast from sex and he was married he would fast from talking. You know, I just thought wow. These great people zico these people fast and not about fast and that's not the peace, but they were very disciplined people and they would not allow their exterior world to dominate or destroy their internal world. I just like you I want to get to a place where I can control me. My family members have grown. I lost the uncle cirrhosis of the liver brilliant man, but just drink and drink and drink it and I was like, yo, I do not want to my father was a substance abuser for years. I was like, yo, I don't want a life. Wear something else is controlling me, you know, like ruined I left home and said, I don't want to be controlled no more. Like I meant that like, I don't know nothing to control me, but me and so I got to put myself under extreme discipline to make sure I'm free. So when people see me you get up at three you don't drink you don't smoke. I'm not doing that because I think I'm better nobody else. Oh, I think you won't go to hell because you had a drink. I just want I want to control I want freedom and for me disciplining myself means Freedom and the less I you discipline yourself people who I told my son the other day. I was like your son. I don't not want you to have fun. I just seen a history of people who just have fun Christmas Thanksgiving Halloween New Year. They're the people learns that not all right and every night they are the people who end up in their twenties having a great deal of fun, but in a 40s and 50s, they working for somebody and I'm not saying nothing wrong with cleaning. Toilets but they doing something they don't want to do for the rest of their life and they can't retire because they played so much, you know, so for me, I just look at Venus and Serena Michael Jackson when he used to like five and six years dancing all night. I just think the more man discipline himself the greater that don't mean it's going to happen. But the greater the probability that he has this sense of freedom and I will say this the one thing I enjoy is that now where I am this don't mean I'm when you 20 30 40, I I knew I would be who I am. But I'm grateful that I discipline myself the way I did because some of the issues I could have as one of the top motivational speakers in the world. I don't have those issues and people's lives. There's only maybe half dozen seven eight categories that really matter most people, you know, they major in minor things. They focus on stuff that doesn't matter. They know more about the celebrity going in and out of rehab, but they do about their own personal development, but I look at say if you look at your body. ADI without that everything else is out the door. You don't want to be richest man the graveyard that's not gonna do it. If there is energy at there's my tality of their strength. It's going to show up in your relationship. It's going to show up in your business show up in your life. That's it. You gotta Master. He can't dabbles to important emotions are everything. I mean, you got a ton of money got everybody loves you and your primary emotions are pissed off and frustrated and your life's pissed off and frustrated matter. If you got a billion dollars or a million people loving you your life is my great relationships intimacy. Relationships especially it's where the most juice in life comes from as for the most pain comes to most people it's worth mastering spend that one, you know, really looking at what are you going to do with your time and mastering your time instead of having a checklist you cross it all off. You can mistake movement for achievement. I want to squeeze out that time with matters that creates value for me. And for everyone I care about love, what about your career or your business and the Mastery of that been adapting whilst most businesses are dabblers. It's why they don't make it 96% you know any 10-year period of x 4 percent make it that doesn't mean they're profitable and it does not mean they're enjoying themselves. All right, or they're getting anybody else to feel good really mastering money so that it's not a question of your life. You can do and be and give and share as much as you want. You're not stressed about you live in a place of months and then spiritually really I think I don't tell people to believe spiritually but I believe that ultimately whatever you believe you got to live it and it should lead to growing and giving if you're growing it feel alive if you're giving you feel And that's more like and I think it's someone can celebrate and give and that spiritual state. So to me, those are the years I look at Maastricht, you know business for sure, but it's the areas of life that matter most and most of what we spend our time doesn't make people feel fulfilled. That's why the average person is not fit and healthy. The average person is not in a relationship with have tremendous passion. The I'm not a dummy. I'm not a positive thinker. I know the truth. The average person is not successful. If this is the average person is not running what they want to earn but you know, what very few Few people have those things but a few do a few or happy fulfilled spiritually alive financially strong their business is growing. They have passionate love affairs, and I'm obsessed with finding a few do and find out what they do different teaching to everybody. Everyone's going to measure themselves differently because everyone values things differently some people value success or significance some people value love more some value just basic levels of certainty. So when I look at the specific metrics, I really look at Metrics of what are the things that need to be measured to know if your life is going to work or not? So I look at it as our whole lives are Guided moment-to-moment by the state read learning how to change your state not bullshit not fake but to go from pissed off frustrated freaked out to back in your Center or creative or determined or something that's going to move you forward. It's going to create a better quality life for you and others. That's a critical skill set. So moment to moment in life is controlled by our state's. Yep, you know if you're an angry state Respond differently to feeling playful but what controls those States long term as your model of the world your world view and I look at that as having as a metric three things that I look at. I look to see first. What are the targets are after the target is everybody has everyone has different goals and dreams and desires but as I travel around the world a hundred countries, I started going the should have seen the same problems. What's underneath it. I began to see that there are these same six human needs that we all have the same needs. We all have a need for certainty. Can avoid pain and we can have some pleasure some comfort. We all need uncertainty. We need variety or we feel dead inside of your totally certain your barn. If you have total variety of like freaked out and it's not a balanced. It's learning which of these you need more as a person everyone's developed a different set of values matter need of the need for significance feel unique special important need to feel well the need to grow and they need to contribute some people value certainty at the top of their list. That's their Center of their target. I don't want to do anything else. I know. It's going to work. I don't do anything unless it's the same if you change anything they freak out if certain is the number one thing on your list. Everyone has the same needs, but it's number one. I know how your life's going to be. I can predict the direction of your life and therefore the destination to some extent if you're driven by love first you want certainly do but one of us higher you're going to behave very differently than if you're driven by significance. I have to be the one so I look to see which of those needs are the top two on your list because they control your life the two that most people have never P % the planet if you said of all these needs which one do you really focus on most day-to-day everybody wants love what do you focus on most people focus on being significant. We live in a Facebook world where people think they're wise putting filters make it look different than it really is tell stories that you know are totally full of it to make himself look good because we live in this kind of false world where significance is more important than love and it separates us and the other one that we see most often is certainly people want to be certain before They can do something. You couldn't have started a business like you had if you're absolutely certain before you started. You can never build a business with that. You can ever build a great relationship because if it's based on certainty then everybody's gotta stay the same never change. It means you're never going to grow which means going to be miserable. So my metrics are I want to find out what's driving you I want to see is it healthy or unhealthy you can have two people be driven by significance though and do it with a different set of rules. That's the second piece. I measure the beliefs are rules of how to fulfill that Target that I want to be more clear about something an extraordinary Life Is Life on your terms and there's two parts. Part one to have an extraordinary life is mastering the skill of the science of achievement. How do I take what I Envision and make it real and how do I do that quicker faster better easier the ability to manifest what you come up with and make it real and you done with your company. Yes, that's a skill set. I spend unbelievable amount of time helping people do it faster quicker better showing the shortcuts teaching in the strategies modeling what works you can save yourself a decade. But I would submit to you that I haven't done this for 38 years with you know, 50 million people at this stage. I can tell you that the science of achievement. There are a lot of people that are damn good at that and they still have an extraordinary lives. They've been extremely life you see it as extraordinary, but I could phone call from the multi billionaire who tells me wants to do this thing on his business, but what he really find out is he's Miserable as hell and he's hoping somehow I'm going to rub off on him on that side to it. And so I gave him what he asked for. Changing his business, but I also get what he needs just the change inside of him. So the second skill is the artist of filming if you want extraordinary life, you can't just achieve you got to be fulfilled as simplistic as that sounds but it's an art. It's not a science. It's a science to making money come on any age any color any background any gender? If you do these things, you'll have an abundance of money. You do these things. You're going to have too much month at the end of the month. You're going to financial stress right body. Everyone's biochemically different, but you and I both know there's fundamental. Rules laws. There's a science in the body you violate that science. You're going to have disses you're gonna have low energy you align with that you're going to have an abundance of energy. It's going to affect everything in your life to science. That's almost not like that fulfillment is as different as argument dick. You want to know God or the universe likes look at the jungle. Look at the forest. It's diverse. Right? So most people think well, I want to get that because they've been modeling somebody else and that might work on how to achieve something. It'll never work. For wonderful Philly how many people you know, like you got what you thought you wanted and you weren't fulfilled and that I always tell people success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure the ultimate value because if you go out something and you fail you're an achiever, you don't fail you. I learned something. I'll just try something else. I want to still get there. But when you succeed in your not happy, so a perfect example this I mentioned in the seminar you were there because it hit me about it. What about a year and a month ago. We lost what I consider a National Treasure Robin. Chimes hmm and I ask people how many love Robin Williams everybody racing all around the world, right? He made people laugh people are touched by him. So how good was he at the science of achievement? I mean he want to be a great comedian like the whole world. Laughs he did. He wanted to have his own TV show. He did one of the number one show he did it. He wanted to make movies. He did he want to have an Academy Award for not being funny dramatic and he did it right that it. Yeah, you want a beautiful family. He achieved everything and he hung himself, and I know recently someone Won't you know you have dementia he had drug abuse. He had alcohol abuse muscles life because he made everybody happy. But whom I'm so that's the ultimate failure. So if I had no other message to offer your viewers and you let me give it to him right now. I'll tell you what, I believe I believe our lives are controlled by one force decisions. I certainly believe in force greater than myself call it God if you will Grace, whatever you want to call it the universe, but I also believe it gives us choices. And the decisions we make control as much more than the conditions we me. It's not the conditions that your decisions decisions what the believe decisions what to do. There's no what to give I say to people think about, you know, look back ten years ago five years ago 15 years ago and think of it as soon as you made that if you would have made a different decision, you have a totally different life today better or worse. I don't know but totally different the most important decision you can make Above any on the face of the earth is deciding the no matter what happens in your life. No matter what happens. You're going to live in a beautiful state the decision to say I am not going to suffer then if suffering arises pains one thing sufferings. Another suffering is when you're like suffering could be worried could be anger can be frustration. It's anything it takes you out of the beautiful state and here's what people don't get you can and suffering. I stop focusing on yourself and focus on something you want to say. Have greater than yourself your children your wife your mission your life. You can get out of it in an instant because the nature of the human mind is the conflict compare effects your mind in. Your brain is a two million dollar old device and is not designed to make you happy. It's not so as not to make you survive, right and that's why it's always looking for what's wrong to be what's wrong a saber-toothed tigers. I can protect myself now people are worried about what people think about them or do they have enough money when two thirds of Planet lives on $2 a day. And you're making $38,000. You're rich the poorest of the poor in our country are considered rich. That's not I'm not saying they should stay that way right, but you can only build on success my goal would have you consider something life is short. We don't know how far it's going to be, but if you only had a week to live I bet you wouldn't allow yourself to suffer over a little crap that makes you crazy. Normally. I think you would probably spend time with those you love you and do what you love you take on a sunset you I smell the air you would taking everything in those final moments that you possibly do. So my thing is, why wait, right, right. Why wait why not just decide then if I start to suffer, I know the solution because suffering is me obsessing about me - it's not me. I'm worried about my kids because they're not doing well. No, you're worried that you haven't done enough for your kids about you still right? Yes, you know you're worried about what was done or what you should have done what shouldn't have done and you can end that in an instant by becoming aware of it and saying I have made the most important decision of all, right. We live in a beautiful state because here's what's going to happen. Anybody watching you may lose a family member you probably will somebody may get cancer your business May the government might change the rules. They might change things radically that you can't even do anything about it. You might go bankrupt you might get divorced. I don't think anybody will but I'm sure no one knows what's going to really happen in your life life's full of uncertainty. But here's what you can though. You can decide then what happens you could have a great time. If somebody like Viktor Frankl can be locked up in Auschwitz and come out of that. And experience finding joy in the middle of Auschwitz and human beings have a capacity. They've undersold themself on we think that the outside world determines how we feel as if people have to behave a certain way if your husband or your wife your kids or your co-workers or whoever your boss has to behave a certain way for you to be happy. And if they don't you're unhappy then you're always going to be unhappy because the more people around you the more they're going to change that because all human my invitation is as great as it is to achieve. It's more important to enjoy and if you can enjoy every moment and that state when you're feeling loving and playful and passionate and curious and aww. You treat other people hundred times better when you're feeling frustrated pissed off overwhelmed worried stressed or feeling sorry for yourself. You're going to be a better parent. You're going to be a better lover. You're going to be a better business person again the better life. So my Soliloquy is decide decide today and actually say what if I cut it off what if I said I'm not willing to settle and I'm Just going to live in a beautiful state doesn't mean you won't feel bad and to means you won't stay there. You are instantly change what the hell is Success? It's hitting an expectation and I always tell people man trade your expectations for appreciation. It's a whole new world instantly. You can appreciate this moment. If you can't find ecstasy in this moment in a conversation with a friend and looking in your wife's eyes being with your children going on a run a fun. If you can't find Xing now I'm here to tell you more money more people more love more business more. You've not going to give you more xq go if you can't do it here now. You're not going to do it there when you got more. So why not do it now and have a rich life right now. I tell people money. That's one thing like having Financial abundance their skills. That's a science but wealth it's a decision. It's like you can be wealthy right now and I am I living feed you good fortune the time. They're these villagers. They're they're the richest people now, they're happy. They laugh. They love they don't give a damn about the economics other people say they're poor when I first went there was trying to do things for them to like, what are you talking about him, so So happy wealthy people come over from United States and they go travel around and try to figure out what to do and they're going to spend nine months, you know years to do this and this and this so they can finally sit down and be happy in the beginning guy goes. Why don't you sit on the beach right now dude, it's Prince it why spend the night in years want to have a now that's my invitation. Derek is a word that God has put in my heart that I believe it's life-changing. We've we spent a lot of times cleansing ourselves from the filthiness of the flesh lust and anger and habits and addictions and things like that. But but what is deeper is the cleansing of the heart. Your God is a god of seed. He is a goddess Sita everything he does. He does it by seed. It starts out in seed form. He sends his word which is a seed and the seed germinates and it bring forth fruit and in people's life it all starts in seed form. Your mind is to ground where seeds are planted and that's good when it's positive seeds seeds of life and seeds of healing and seeds and restoration season delivery as really cool, but it's bad when it's negative seeds like unforgiveness. And flesh carnality though the negative things for the last year. I've been studying and preparing and writing a book called Let It Go, which is built on the premise of forgiveness forgiveness. It's amazing to me how many of us as Christians never talked about forgiveness? I mean isn't that the substratum of what our faith is all about is about forgiveness in that what Jesus died on the cross for forgiveness. Isn't that what we're here singing about raising our hands about clapping of giving them fall out on the floor of my forgiveness. Everybody in this room has been forgiven. That's that's that's a victory right there. Everybody in this room has been forgiven. If you're Christian, you've been forgiven you're not here because you deserve it. You're not here because of God owes you a favor you've Forgiving isn't it funny how you could have been forgiven and found it difficult to forgive. The challenge is God wants you to be a conduit through which his character flows through he tells Paul in First Corinthians to comfort one another with the comfort wherewith you have been comforted in other words monkey. See monkey do He said when you see me conferred you just turn around and act like me to somebody else and comfort them. God will give anything to you that he can get through you. So whether you know how to do things like what I was a little boy when young with my little boy about young man, my brother seven years older than me. He was 19 when I was 12. I asked my brother. How do you kiss? Yeah, I did. I was worried, you know cuz I thought you suppose I do it wrong. And besides how do you do it he said well, he said don't worry about you. He said this whatever they do do it back. I want to finish that story because that's what got me into a whole lot of trouble but it wouldn't but at the time I started into it. It seemed like a good metaphor to teach you a very strong principle. God says whatever I do to you. Do it back. Even if you don't know how to do it, even if you're not familiar with it imitate me if I comfort you you comfort them if I bless you you bless them if I teach you you teach them if I forgive you. You forgive them. Think about this ever since we were kids. We were talking Lord's prayer Our Father which art in heaven Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. Check this out and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. But I think I was good till we got today. That means all of my life. I have been asking God to treat me like I treat people. Do you want God to treat you like you do your old boyfriend? All y'all talking about I see how are ya you want God to treat you like you treat that person you work with and go to school with that gets on your nerves you last. Are you want God to treat you like you treat your father who didn't raise your your mother who didn't love you or that particular sister who live always compared his at the you want God to forgive you like you forgive her. Here lies the problem and everybody cannot get it forgiveness is a big idea is for people who are big enough to see the big picture and you don't how you can forgive people who really hurt you you can forgive people when you understand them. And this is the beginning of your understanding. This is understanding 101. You get the book out take you through the whole process, but this is understanding 101. You have not made a distinction between weakness and wickedness. He might've been weak, but he wasn't Wicked. She might have been weak and not Wicked some things people did they didn't do them to you they did it to themselves and you were a victim of their weakness and how arrogant of you to act like you have no Witnesses of your own. Do you hear what I'm saying to you? So I want you to begin to make the distinction between weakness and wickedness so that you can begin to understand that you can't afford not to be forgiving the bottom said blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain Mercy. Somebody shout Mercy. Now, I want you to understand it whenever you ask for Mercy, you have to understand you guilty. See if I accuse you of a crime and Didn't do the crime when you go to court. You want Justice? Because Justice is a friend who would be innocent. So when you are innocent and are falsely accuse you you pray for justice, but when I accuse you of something for which you are guilty you pray for Mercy blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain Mercy. That means that Mercy is what God releases not when they're lying on you God releases Mercy when you are guilty. And there is something that each of you know about yourselves in this room that you are guilty of and yet you have received Mercy my question then my brothers and sisters is how can you receive it and then refuse to give it? And your reason for not being forgiving of all things is because they're guilty Karen eleusis. See what he did. He guilty so you If God had better prefer giving you know, you were guilty had mercy though. You were wrong. Then it's kind of like the kissing just do back what he did to you. Let It Go Let It Go I never knew that the way people described you would become a prison until they did it when I met me. I was not a preacher. So I didn't know that they would incarcerate me with the title. You are at your best when you are authentic to your core and you have to be what you are and not what they call you. Sometimes do you like anything I'm saying sometimes people will call you a name and you start living up to the name and it limits you from what else God wants to do in your life. Listen. Listen. Clearly. I want to pronounce a benediction on every grieving weeping depressed lonely frustrated tired Spirit your period Morning is over here yesterday yesterday yesterday yesterday yesterday. If you don't believe I got some pressing me love my de my history. I think you go home the grand what on the grand really is is a work ethic that would blow your mind. It would blow your mind. I'm 60. Years old and I everybody who works for me is younger than me and they'll tell you I work you up under the table. I work you a hundred and baby. Where does that come from? My father? My father? Absolutely. My father is rigged my let me do this chair is about to break. My father's didn't hear. My mother is sitting here and they're fighting for the mic from moment to moment. My grandmother talks to you every now and then all of my ancestors are sitting on this table all the way back to Syria it's all the way back in My DNA. We were self-sufficient and all of them are sitting here folks whose name I can't even call. So what we're talking about is culture. Okay, and I'm not racial culture family culture where the demonstration of what my father decided what Grandin was you are granted. Your daddy said you were granted got you take your hands out your pockets boy like you got a million dollars in your pocket. They trained us. Not to be lazy. They talked about lazy like it was a disease when you really sit back at your life and you in that dark room and you're looking at where you started from and you tell yourself. God dog, man. My mom is this way my stupid step that I got murdered. My dad beat the shit out of me. I can't read and write to say my fucking soul. I've lied about it to everybody. I've cheated all these tests. My God, man, and then you put a goal in your mind. How you going to feel man when you accomplish this goal coming from that shit coming from the fucking hell you came from a lot of people start from a good starting point. If a good foundation, what if you can surpass all these motherfuckers if everybody who was fucking way up here started up here and you had you started with no legs. He had a girl fucking legs team start. And then crawling then run it and then you start passing people at all this give it to him. I had to use all this negative shit. That was making me weak and horrible as a person I had to use this as the power that now if you'll have to flip it on its head and say hold up. This might be exactly what I need. The darkness is exactly what I need is how you look at your situation and I was looking at it all fucked up. You have to first accept it before you can fix it. A lot of people walking around. Oh man. I'm good. I'm good. No, you're not. You have to accept what you're not you have to in people don't want to do that. That's the only way you can fix it. You have to accept it first before you can go. The journey a lot of folks never you start the journey my head and then I start to join because it live in this fake life that who they want to be. They act like they are but they're not because they haven't fixed all this stuff yet. You gotta fix this first before we can start our journey in life. So that's why I haven't make this list you fix these problems. Now your journey can begin because you no longer care about how people are judging you we when you care more about how someone is judging you you're going to stay right there. There's no for momentum. Each thing that is wrong with you has to be a focal point. You can't look at this gigantic listen, so I got changed all this shit my God, this is crazy. No. You take off the first one. I want to be smarter for me. That was my thing have to have to become more intelligent have such a severe learning disability and I can't retain shit. I had to now get that one thing and then strategize in that one problem. How can I do this? I'm not going to learn like you I'm not gonna like anybody else. How am I going to figure this out? So I didn't figure it out. Okay where my strengths here where my weaknesses in learning? All right, man. Am I going to do this and I figured out a way to do it, but it's strategizing. So how I learn to this day if I have a big manual to study. I will have to get a bunch of spiral notebooks from the from the daggone store and each page. I have to write each page out maybe 10 times. So there was a thousand-page dive manual that I got 18 months before with the dive School. Most people. I'm not smart. I'm gonna go see if I can pass this test. I realized hang on a second. I'm not smart. How can I get past this? How can I get through this obstacle? Need to get I need to acquire this book 18 months in advance because it could take me 18 months to write down each page over and over again to then put it to memory. So when the question came up, I'd written that question so many times down that you know on paper that I can recall. Okay page 71 was remember seeing this and I can recall that way and that's how I did it. So you got to strategize on each problem you have in life. Slowly break down that problem don't think about all the problems you have just one at a time and before you know it you fix all these problems, but you cannot focus on all of them just on the one thing at a time. There's a concept in your book that permeates the whole book and I think really is one of the most important things for people to understand in their own life certainly to understand you and it's the notion of the testing mediocrity talk to me about that. How do you how did you instill it in your life? How can other people instill it in there? It's one of the biggest things in the world a lot of us mediocrities everywhere right now and we're all trying to find an easy way out and we're judging ourselves. Let's say there's 10 people in this room, and we're all mediocre but The best of the mediocre people. I know think I'm great. I'm great. We surround ourselves around people that make us feel great. They tell us what we want to hear the second. We put ourselves amongst the uncommon people. We don't like that feeling that challenge them feel that of of that person's looking at three Thirty mornings. Hey, push your shit off. We're going for a run. We don't like that challenge. We like that person who says hey, you know, I mean, I don't feel good today, man. And they say oh it's okay brother. It took a day off maybe get a pizza and shit watch the game. We like that. We love that feeling why cuz you understand that we're good, bro. We don't want that motherfuckers like this. Hey, man, no, bro. Get your fucking shit on man. Stop being a punk. We don't want in our lives. We don't want that person's constantly challenging our weaknesses. We want that person is constantly, you know making us feel nice and good and secure nurse. That's the mediocrity of life. We want to be the best amongst the Rich people people wonder how do you stay hungry all the time? Because after I accomplished something I don't sit back like a lot of guys who graduate Buzz graduate this graduate that they get comfortable. They wonder why I'm getting weak man. I don't know. I've lost my Edge what's going on? Because once you hit the top of the fucking Mountain guess what happened you I'm good. I'm good. So you wonder why you're falling down now because way street top of the mountain you got booted fuck another one. That's mediocrity. There's a lot of people immediately. Daugherty who have a nice resume, but they're one-timers man. They hit they hit a one-time deal. They busted open got lot of money, but they're good your mediocre now, man. What are you fucking doing today? Tomorrow the next fucking day. That's what listen to theorists. I'll listen all that bullshit. I listen to a motherfucker who's like this man. What's wrong man? Fucking tired, dude? Why are you tired? Because tomorrow I get to do the fucking shit. Good, man, whatever the shit is that made me fucking nauseous and sick to my stomach. It made me hurt. There's no ending. And that's the person I listen to that's the person who's gained knowledge. You gain knowledge through suffering and on the other end. The suffering is a world that very few very few have ever seen. It's a beautiful world because that's where you find yourself. You. Don't find yourself in over here. You find yourself on the other end like 200-mile race. I was on I ran it for 24 hours. I found myself on the other end of that fucking race. That 19 hours. I found wow. There's a whole nother fucking world out here that never even saw that the world is in your mind. And that's with all that mediocrities about mediocrities contagious. I'm a very philosophical person. I'ma go there with you real quick. I believe in a higher power don't know the name don't know where it's coming from the leaves like that, but I believe that this power and visualize me real quick. Let's say it's a man up there or woman whatever and they have a chart and when you're born they say David Goggins. Born February 17th 1975 at 6 a.m. They write the chart down because they can see everything they know exactly what you're supposed. You're supposed to be they know where you're supposed to be you die. You go to so called Heaven you arrive at heaven. I'm 300 pounds. I retired as an Ecolab guy, which is ok. Just a job. Whatever I go up there and God looks at me and he shows in my chart and my chart on their said you were supposed to be a Navy. Deal you're supposed to be her native 5 pounds, you're supposed to be one of the smartest people in the plant this distal all this you see this and now you're in heaven you made the heaven, but you're like God like I'm supposed to live that life. I'll supposed to live that life and then you find out that the reason why because we all think that we pray on it. If you do this, if you do that, whatever we don't work. We just remember it's gonna magically happen for us. No, I believe that when I'm all said and done with my whole job is to outwork the Chart we have the fucking chart says about me the all-knowing power up there. I want to get up there and say him look at me say I know everything. I didn't fucking see this. I didn't fucking see this. I want to feel that I want to get to the other end of this fucking world and we're however, I'm being judged whoever's judging me to look at me and said I did not fucking know I had you at 185 had you that this but all this other shit. I was riding as you were living it. I want to I want to find more. All I can and in that fucking sack of shit, you have to dive in that to find more because if you're not willing to go in there and face yourself, I can find anything you go live right here on Surface man right here on Surface. So if there is an ending to this world and there is somewhere to go in this judgment. You know get there and you might see a chart in that chart may tell you who the fuck you should have been and you get the rest your life to think about. That way. I could live a much better life. Like just would have just suffered a little bit more if I just would have went in that shit and realize I had so much more but fear in the 40% and living here versus leaving here being afraid. Stop me. I've never been one to set realistic goals. I've always wanted the best. I've always wanted to be the best and I've always continued to put the work behind that. But I want you guys to realize that when people tell you to set realistic and obtainable goals, I truly believe those people without maybe realizing it are insulting you because they don't think that your fragile little ego can take the heartache of disappointment. And the truth is guys. The reason I say I say huge goals isn't just because I think I can accomplish them. It's because I know that if I don't Accomplish them those are unrealised expectations hurt the disappointment that you feel when you set massive goals and don't hit them is a great thing. All right, you guys have to understand that pain teaches when you feel pain, it should not be something that you wallow in and that you cry about maybe you can Bye-bye for today. Okay that's acceptable. But the point is is that when you have something that doesn't go the way that you want that is a trigger for you to go out and create a situation where it is impossible for you to not get what you want. And that's the difference between people who succeed and people who don't People who succeed understand that pain teaches them to level the fuck up. They don't whine and cry and bitch about how shit's unfair dude. I could just as easily be a 39 year old man crying about the girl that broke my heart when I was 17, like most people do but what did I do? And you can say this is petty you can say it's whatever. But I operate from the Dark Side mother and that means when people do wrong to me I make sure that I'm not only do what it is that they don't believe in me for but that I rub it in their face later on in life. I was not a motivated High School student. I was not a superachiever in school. I wasn't voted most likely to succeed. Okay. Okay, but that experience for me caused enough pain to kick me in the ass and say you know what? I'm gonna shove it down their throat. And you know what that's what I did and that that one instance probably carried me for the first three or four years of our peasants three or four years. I was able to think back and be like dude. I'm going to show her I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna that and you can say oh, well, that's insecurity. If you were sick. You know what I'm glad I Insecure I'm glad I was in that situation because I take the pain and I put it into productive action. I take every negative thing that someone says to me about me or whatever it is. They believe or don't believe about me and I use it to go out and do shit. When I look at people I always ask the question. I say may tell me what Nike stands for they said. Oh, I think that's easy just do it. I said tell me what it did is stands for or ink. That's easy man impossible. It's nothing I said now tell me what you stand for. People look at you today, I think excuses or people look at you. They think Victory when people look at you today think that's a person that's going to give me everything they got not on Sundays but on every day and it's not going to be predicated upon if I feel like it because I think we all know if we only worked on the days we felt like it none of us have been much accomplished. I'm talking about the real level of commitment. Not the commitment that falls in line if everything goes, right. I'm speaking of the commitment that says I am going to stay true to what I said. I would do long after the move that I've said it in his life. See most people ladies and gentlemen are stoppable. Most people are you have to do is tell them no, all you have to do is make it inconvenient for them. All you have to do is make it difficult for them and their stuff see when you go to get your goal don't think that all you have to do is think positive and everything's going to work out okey-dokey for you. When you go to get your goal. You're sending a telegram to Murphy's Law to visit you personally you thought you were just going to have a dream and a goal you were just going to wake up and just walk into the sunset. You're like Dre. It don't work like that. You have a dream and then life punked you life pumps you and say do you really want this? You won't lose friends. Do you really want this? Do you really want this cousins going to Bandy people that you used to be like this week don't think you fools you don't want to deal with you. It's a part of it, but I paid too much if I was going to quit I would have quit in the van and build it what I wanted to commit suicide and take my life. I should have quit when I heard. My boy, say your mama don't want you your daddy don't want to take your life. I got through that. So while I'm gonna quit over a pond a brave, come on, that's all I'm telling y'all. You have come too far to quit. Now. You have invested too much to quit. Now. You have lost too much to quit not don't cry mother don't whine about it get a reward for your pain and so by being committed to everything that I started. I finished it if know the certain type of spirit. Not the certain type of mentality and feel a certain type of individual and so now I can quit even if I wanted to I couldn't stop even if I wanted to I had too much like equity in my life and everything that I was doing your new clothes to quit now, you gotta take another lap. You gotta take another lap because you never know. This might be the one you can't stop cause you're tired you can't stop because you got your feelings. Sorry, you gotta take another lap keep walking. Keep walking. Keep walking. You're gonna make it. You're gonna do it. You got an Unstoppable Fire. Come on. Take another lap, don't you stop don't stop walking. You got to have the courage. Do you have the courage to act outwardly on what you see inwardly? Or when you die dreamer, will you die on the verge and on the edge and in the land of could have water and sugar? Do you have the courage I'm going to drop something on you. It takes courage to be successful. It is far easier not to be successful. Misery will always have Company Success breeds contempt. If you don't want to make waves be beating over be normal and fit in and if you're more concerned about people than you are God the neutralize everything he put in you just fit in with everybody else dress like them walk like Eat like them go where they go big like they think do what they do. And once you've neutralize your uniqueness, you don't need courage. It takes courage to be different. It takes courage to go where you've never gone before for some of you it took courage to come to this conference. It takes courage to get you outside of the body. It takes courage to be successful. It takes courage to win people. Don't talk about people that don't win if you win. They're gonna talk about you do you? To stand them. So the storms keep region and the people get to talking and your standards have come too far to turn around. Do you have the Terrence? I'm going to I'm going to say something to you. It takes courage to be exceptional. It takes courage to be worse. It takes courage to be rich. It takes courage to be educated. It takes courage to be knowledgeable because the moment you do but you don't talk like, you know, you don't have for that where you tape her. Look at you talking to it takes courage and I'm just wondering in this week watered-down lead over society that we live in today in this reality TV world. We live in today. I'm wondering if there's anybody left. That's not the courage to say after all. I've been through and all my ancestors have been through and all my parents have been through I didn't come through all of that just to fit in with normalcy have the courage to go after my dream is still woman left in this entire Coliseum. That's got some Will you hold the line? But every one of them is giving up and giving in timing in this house of mine. Nothing ever comes out a consequence of cost helmet. Well the stars in line, whatever step B. Will it save us from a see when it because this house of mine stand strong. That's the price you pay. Standing on the edge face up kids you right now. Will somebody let me see the light in the dark trees shadowing what's happening look through the past found the wrong with in the past now and we are facing a bit of Truth. Deep inside me. I'm fading. Like I'm fading to connote by the blood of my head won't break E. I can taste it in the end isn't bonus us. We're gonna make it.

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Absolutely to get right back to basics. Your record doesn't need to be true Islam. Okay, you can burn as many calories and 30 minutes like absolutely like blasting yourself. You are listening to the Ricky Long podcast where International Fitness entrepreneur Ricky Long answers your questions and interviews Fitness leaders on training nutrition and mindset Ricky is a fitness industry expert having been helping people achieve their fitness goals since 2002. We talked everything Fitness.Business and group exercise to help you on your fitness journey. A massive welcome to another episode of the Ricky Long podcast. This episode is sponsored by happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear. Today's guest Lisa McDonald's. Happy birthday to you. This will only make sense. If you listen to this episode on Monday the 26th of August because today is Lisa McDonald's birthday. And Liz McDonald is on today's episode. I really really rich out what they said. This is one of these people that have an only so long and the life of probably only known Lisa three four years and become I'd say good friends with their in the last that's a year and a half, but she's one of these people who just come into your life and They're just it's just fun. She's energetic. She's passionate. She's current about others. Should those a great job and everything she does and it was really really fun together on the podcast your listen to the the episode the recording which we actually did last week to thing. We did on Wednesday or Thursday of last week. It's not Monday the 26th of August and it's just really really nice jet. There's been no edit and um, you're actually hear me chat right in the middle of the episode. About doing some Adam and you know what? I just decided. No, I'm just going to release this as it is. So this is Monday the 26th of August this Saturday come on Saturday. The 31st is tribal Gathering. So we spend a long time in this episode talking about Les Mills talking about tribal gather and and Lisas kind of Journey to this tribal Gathering not that just traveled a great deal of distance for those who don't know Lisa is Scotty Scotty, Scotland Beast Scotty based. Dine in throne and she's very very well known by a lot of the Scottish instructors. So it's going to be a great little day for at least at a stand-up a tribal Gathering and deliver body combat with the body combat team Lee Smith and Phillip Harrison who I know a lot of these listeners will know outside of that Lisa runs two businesses while three businesses actually alongside her Fitness professional career one of those is a makeup. That's the second one of those is her online personal training business specializing in strength and confidence and enjoyment for females and her third one. Her more recent one is Handmade by hand o which is a artistic fail personalized Freedom business with she'll she'll explain that very very well in the episode. It's all beautiful handmade crafts type stuff. I described as quite Boutique and it's look at that Spirit appearance and it's like I said, it's very very individual. So in this episode you want to just hear listen, I just kind of chat and ramp the times about how she balances all of that and preps herself the teacher classes alongside. What is a competitive hockey career spread and well over 15 years. So let's link to say Lisa has a lot on her plate it is An understatement, but you would never know what and highly suggest conduct yourself not just on social media about an everyday life. So this episode is as always sponsored by putting for sport Northern Ireland sports retailer of the year 2018. Just about to release the brand-new Ulster rugby tops, which I have seen a preview of them. Absolutely outstanding. 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Lisa is best known for being a Les Mills trainer for Les Mills UK in body combat Lee says a fitness professional PT teaches a lot of group exercise classes and doors online personal training as well and outside of her Fitness entrepreneurship. She also, Soto's makeup and Frames, which is quite new. So we're going to ask a lot of questions about your three months. I'm going to Artistry work. So hi Lisa. Hi there. I'm so excited to have you. I'm excited to have you on our your hands don't sweat. Yes clammy hands. So we've been chatting for about 5-10 minutes just before we hit the record button. Basically, we're both With having around about the Scottish weather. Yes. Yes and how much it changes as well met it see the last two weeks. All the stone is real. I know you get one dearer you've ever get like five hours of sunshine and then you just see the clouds coming over. That's when I panic and I have to run out and get my washer then after all I can get my wetsuit. I really knows I'm past know the saying the weather depresses me. I'm past oppression. I'm I'm going on yeah, I'm just a bit too. Just want to move. I don't know Lisa said the words. I'm just before we hit record. Is that like I'm depressed. Like I can't handle the winter and I'm like that's fucking August. I know and you know, the white the worst thing is the fact as August. We've still got September October November December. It doesn't normally start getting better until about March 8th from time. So, Yeah, no, but maybe one sir. I'm moving. I'm moving. I'm looking for the September 1st quite right Uncle fuel. How do I it so who here's Lisa? Tell the listeners who Lisa is what you're about what you do go. Okay. So I'm Lisa McDonald's and most people know me as handle which makes him strange people that don't know me, but my maiden name was Henderson, so I got married two years. And have kept my mind that came and even yours they'll call me Lisa Henderson was the texture forget. Yeah, that's written down in front of me Donald in your intro and you're also still healthy it might have and you'll always be handled. I know that's that's exactly what my dad said when I got mad. He's always been on his hand. So it's true. So yeah, so as as you said, I work as a fitness professional I am at least most trainer. I'm very passionate. And everybody combat. I've taught it for eight years this week actually eight years. This week was my anniversary of IMT and its release. What track of what release did you teach it for your anniversary? It doesn't. Oh what surprise? Yeah. I know but our I'm going to teach some of that release on Sundays for dinner body combat phone, you know when they start to eat 40 years. I had the warm up as my track. Hold on. Hold on really I did for you. I trained in like 45. I trained him 45 so I would have done for it before I pitch that kicked it hard to put in dubs. Yeah, that was a warm-up. Yeah, it wasn't every tractor you did that. We've yeah, so yeah, so bite me talk to you actually. Yeah, so I also play hockey. I've played hockey for a long time since I was 12 years old. I'll be 35 on Monday. It's my birthday and I wants to buy me a cake be nice. And yes, I play hockey very passionate or hockey have recently changed clubs and we can control the I also dabble in a few. Since I'm so I do makeup which is completely different to Fitness. I did a course couple of years ago. I wanted to just try and do something different out with Fitness because obviously with the job I do the longevity of your body and you just don't know what's around the corner so I decided to go under makeup course and I've been kind of doing that on the sides and then more recently I've just started sort of Little arts and crafts to ensure machine and had been on at me for ages seeing you need to sell these Scrabble things that you forget. So I thought you know what? I'll put it out there. I'll put it on social media and see what people think and I'm actually blown away with the amount of people that have messaged me. So this week I've been buying loads of station me and loads of pain and glue and all that kind of stuff. I feel like I'm back at school, you know when you go shopping Until your station lanyard like your pencil case your pens that something might must be so so yeah, so just starts to back and I am a massive cat love our house X cats sex sex. Yep. Sure, baby, so they will come and they yeah, like I'm very sociable. I love going to my friends love to maintain my husband offered to the gem of training or food. And Jen, that's it. So tell us about your fitness journey then how did you come to be a body combat instructor in the first place? I actually start recording to class because my friend fancied the instructor and when I was like come test class with me, so wait along that it once that's me addicted as like this. I'd never seen anything like it before and I used to do. Those of you that are older that are less than will remember you with me Connelly. So she used to my gran actually had a video of her work out and I used to do it in-house. So that was like my first sort of taste of exercise classes and so went to combat film of a bit and yeah just start going like four five six times a week as many things like a go I couldn't get enough of it. I love the music. I love the moves and and then I became well became friends with the instructor who was to instructors. It wasn't the guy who runs the female 1 who you'll know and he time and she's allergens. Absolutely Jin's so she started chatting to me. She said see him. I really think that you should look at becoming an instructor. I think you'd be a really great instructor. You move really well and I went and picked my exercise to music course because at that point you needed affect us qualification. To do laser mouse said my exercise to music cut a long story short when and dads my AMT with mr. Steve tansy and in those days it was three days. So you'll remember that Israel three days and you were blessed at the end of it and it was so physical back then as well compared to to know and yeah it did that and started teaching combat it years ago. Yeah, it's been spoke about the podcast before about how the olden days of modules so they give people more context on this because there's actually a lot of new listeners right now. I'm a lot from the state's. We're like, we're in America right now. Like that's how I hope it's an American accent. Let's not let's try and keep the listener. Let's go when Les Mills is always looking to change and upgrade themselves back in the day. This was the best that could be at the The modules for three days. You didn't know what tracks you were getting before you turned up. They were allocated at what we assumed was at random after the the the trainer of the weekend that the master class I have later find out is they watch people in the master class and allocate that based on what they saw. So that made me rethink everything I trained them and why did I get that track so you can overthink that? Yeah, and it was always did you do it three days in a row? Yeah, it's Friday Saturday Sunday. And you're literally I can go into the Scottish and course because it's Phil's ended up driving to Newcastle and I stayed at my friends in Newcastle and I remember walking in and it was actually another to get it was from Scotland one of which though teachers combat the mmm and I remember walking in and you got your CD because you're to take a CD player personal CD player with these play your music. It's your CD your DVD and your notes and a manual available. Imagine that now follow what I say on my Facebook memories a popped up earlier this week if it was Monday, it popped up a Facebook status. I put up from nine years ago and it was can I borrow a portable CD player because I was gearing up for my first module which I'm always get confused. I don't know whether my first one was balanced or bodypump. I just know they were to the were one week after the other. Yeah. Yeah you were trying to borrow. A CD, you know the CD players that if you shake it it stopped clear. Yeah. I had a anti anti something that you only did what expensive ones had and there's a lot of sweat to the side. So if it shook then it doesn't get are you trying to say the word I'm take yeah, so let me ask you a kind of pre-warn you was gonna ask. Yes, so why did you become an instructor? So when? Was that any day you said was and do you want to become an instructor? Why did you say? Yes, do you know why that's and that's as well. No word of a lie. I remember when so I backpack then I don't really know how it worked and you obviously the instructors got their material to learn and then they would teach it to us and back in those days launches around a massive thing at the club. So the club that I went to is called I know teachin and and it wasn't launches around really about and back then in for the club, I work for TV and No, word of a lie. The main reason I want to become an instructor was because I wanted to get stuff before everyone else that wanted to learn it and know it before everyone else and back in those days. You couldn't there was no you couldn't go and like there wasn't one demand. There's no virtual tours know like there was no social media so that you could see what was coming where there's no, you know, they've just found combat 82 and you can see that the Reardon and what it looks like and respect. You can do that, but you didn't know what was coming. And so that was the main reason I wanted to I wanted to get all the stuff before all the participants all over all over. Sometimes people ask me. Why did I become an instructor and I'm always very honest about why I became a group fitness instructor is I started covering indoor cycle classes kind of call them spin classes anymore because spend get annoyed at that. So we called indoor cycle classes. And I realized if I took four of these classes every week that it paid my rent for the gym I resent so it was Fitness first bite your road for those that know what it was like 80 pounds a week at the time. I was getting paid 20 points for these classes. So it was like there they were giving me money on my left hand and I was given them the money back in my right hand and it just it made sense. And that is that is the reason I said yes to teaching classes because it was this actually serves a purpose in Like I'm thinking important people are almost, you know, well, why did you come instructor puts all want to get the music before the people while you're going to suffer because it helped me pay bills and thing when you're really honest about that. It actually helps you fall in love with it because you're not you're not telling yourself a story. Oh, I did it because I want to help so many people and really have this on my did impact. So I always say to people like to be really honest with yourself if you're becoming a fitness professional because you want to make money admit that to yourself absolutely but there Then you've got to deserve the make that money. So for me to continue to teach those for spin classes every week. I had to be good at it. Yeah. No, I fell in love with the process. Yeah, that's Gonna. Save is me as well about my reasons changed and the longer I was an instructor and yeah when I started to teach when I got out there and started to teach by myself, it totally changed. So we want to we want to chat about this. The end of the podcast maybe in more detail. So we'll give people a reason to keep us them. We're going to talk about tribal Gathering what? Yes, I'm so excited for the event in general, but I'm really excited for you and I'm really excited for sir pepper because you are the resident Scottish trainers and it's the first time you've both taught at the Scottish travel gather. And so how excited are you in a couple of words? busing My head will check out more of our don't Litter. I'm hot. How did you become a Les Mills trainer presenter. So I actually I talked for quite a long time and I know know that people will do that am T. And then maybe like four five six months later. They're going to their M1 which obviously is no it's now changed advantage in and but back then it was in one year. We do em, too. I waited quite a long time. I wanted to get comfortable within the program and I just enjoyed teaching. I just enjoyed being on stage and eventually I think it was maybe four years ago. Not before years ago, I picked on to Mayim one. I think I got it. It was Black Friday deal or something like that, or I was at an event and it was discounted. So I don't know what I'm gonna go into it and it was an Edinburgh. I went along. It was a one one day and I just wanted to kind of know more about the different martial arts that we teach them body combat and I went along its felt Patterson. It's taking it and it was very impactful. That and I learned so much from it and that same year. So I'd only done my M1 and may think my journey is very different to other trainers on the team. I did my M1 and later that day. I decided that I stole only talk combat this point I decided to go and do my pump. I am T. So did my pump int and then November end of November began in December and I thought right. I want to get my 31 so I found it. Center we and I was waiting on results coming back to check about you know constantly is results results and I've got this email from the office and I was like this and it was like you've been invited to boot camp and I was like what the hell's boot camp like that even know what it was and I actually message London Waters and at that point doesn't really know Lindsay that girl so I was like, but it's desperate Camp. It's just like, oh that's like in to like get on the I was like, oh, okay. Cool. So reply it. I was like, yeah, I'd love to come so that was like and if a Pity come on story short went on to break camp and and got on the team is a tricky for body combat and spin two quarters as of the key. Joan quarterly workshops and spend a lot of time and because I because I wasn't a delete an instructor. I hadn't done my into had to work even harder than most people would because I wasn't quite at the level that I should be and yeah, I worked my ass off basically and I got sent off and continue to work my ass off because I still you know, I still had to develop a little bit more and yeah, and that's me being on the team now. Our three years 40 years. I think you three years this year. And yes you had you had to work hard. Is there anything in particular that you like maybe Springs to mind that you have to work harder on than anything else? Yes. It was for me. Mainly it was my lawyer too. So I was really good at st. People up, but it was that. How can I make them work better? And it was as real it was it was the kind of martial art stage? So the education of the martial arts and no one what I'm talking about. So it's very well seen a cure, but if I don't understand that it's not going to land with people. So it was taken time to actually script better. Lyric you earlier to cues and also spend a lot of time on my technique because I picked up because I'd spent so long teaching before I had done there my team won I'd packed up so many bad habits. So to actually try and get myself out those bad habits took a long time and a lot of repetition a lot of metal work a lot of filming and sending it to my development coaching getting feedback. And what was a lot of Tears as well or any of your bad habits that you have to stamp out because people listening to this may have these without realizing it so one of my lines was doing my upper cut too high. Hey my hook not. So every time I would turn my shoulder and my heel I would take the rest of my body with me. So I didn't turn my heart or soul and my hip and my knee. Hi, I can you turn your foot your shoulder without your silly rotate to the side if you say so yeah, that was like two things my sidekicks. My foot in the wrong position, that's just obviously from years of doing it like that. So I've written this time. Did you have a correct me if I'm wrong because I don't believe you did. Did you have a martial arts background before you became a combat instructor? I did not I love that because a lot of people think too just to be an instructor. You need to have a martial arts background or if you do body attacking you have a sports background or body part. You need to be like someone that big weight lifter. Yeah, you can go in pretty pretty raw haven't just done a few classes and and I'm progress as far as you want. There's actually a funny story about about jazz because she's been on the master classes. So yeah, he was I don't know whether it was body step or body attack, but when he attended his first body step or body attack class he was asked to leave. Because he was a danger to the people run them every step cause he was falling off a step. I'm going over and his ankle. Absolutely it was either you. Yes. All right. I don't know if that's 100% true. But Jazz, but we'll just said is and anybody who's yes, and that is you know, you can correct me if I'm wrong, you know send that the child will feel this and hopefully we'll get morning can tell the story himself. Yes, and then the other question you said. You wanted to wear it before you did your EM1 and so for people listening Advanced Training has no replaced the EM1 and em2 process. Yes said you wanted to feel comfortable before you went and did that. So how did you know you were comfortable? What was the oh shit moment. That long ago when Iraqi you're making me think back. I think you know I think it was. I was starting to see like the two leaders were starting to post stuff on social media about him and I had read a post one of my friends have done it. One of the girls that in was on the course that my aim tea and she had done it and she did honestly. If you want to progress and be better go under but you're not going to I think one of the things that I was worried about was I was going to be a cyst and I was in there were going to see you packed up these bad habits. She can't you can't teach combat anymore. And I think it was a bets a bet of the unknown because you don't really know what you were going to be doing and Yeah, I think I just felt that I taught for so long. I know obviously what score at least in things but you don't get that that kind of one-to-one feedback if you like and when you died in so it was just good to check and see that your road doing okay. I think it's I tell people if you're asking the question, when should I do my Advanced Training? You're probably ready to go and do it. Yes. Yes. I have a trouble I gave you that and that's probably why I thought it was really good because I was starting to ask about it and what involved probably rather. I'm so want to chat about hockey. So tell me about your hockey you who do you play for Holly Longview you played. Yes, or just go hit me. Yes. I started playing hockey started it so you can just go sums 12 and please don't get through school was relatively kids. Yeah, it was good and play up front. So I got was about turquoise T ever porcher. We there's no I'm not because I'm a lot fatter. And after I left school ended up there is a ghetto from turn decided that she was going to start a club at reading club. And so I got told to go on to that. So I was eating at the same. So just left school have 1718 started playing Fortran and it was in 2002. I played Fortran until last season. left and joined, so if you think ranger Celtic This is like major Celtic. So I played for one of Play fortune and the last two seasons of Captain Dan and I got as up to division one. Then decides to leave basically because it was a lot of younger ghettos that were playing there and a couple of people that I played with it still and played with it turn had moved her Dawson and they were saying come on come play for us. So I thought you know what it felt like the right time to go here Alder my age and Look alive is messing with social side of Hawkins. Well because can't wait to the pub but they 14 15 year-olds. So I decided I'm going to go to Dawson and they started their last season. It wasn't a particularly successful season for us it goes they've played together for years and years and years. So it was a very well established team. It made me feel so welcome. And and they actually have lost five players last season so far they got it was Phil plait and and one of the girls left to go to the IDF. So it was they were struggling as well. So it was really good for me to go in and I got a place in the first team and yeah one top goalscorer of the season and yeah back back playing so the season starts next month. So what was the nickname that you give yourself? Put the star in Lexington Patrick Kent. That's why I don't give that to myself perhaps that is my nickname at hockey hat-trick handle right here. It is surely So speaking specifically about you plan your hockey and teaching classes. What does a typical week look like and how do you make sure that you're fueled and ready for that? So, where's hockey? We train on a Wednesday and Wednesday evenings we train For two hours and not mistreat is pretty intense. We've got a coach Allen who is also a hockey player. And yeah, he knows his stuff and I actually have a changed train actually used to train on a Wednesday as we also it's actually worked quite well for me because I Wednesday I wouldn't teach so Wednesdays I teach in the morning. Okay morning lunchtime. I teach two classes and then Rest of the afternoon. I have off to do whatever I need I need to do and I will make sure I'm fueled and ready for training at night because I know it's going to be pretty intense and then we play on a Saturday morning. So I kind of went through a phase of I was teaching on a Saturday morning. I was teaching Body Pump and I would then go and play hockey. I would I would struggle my legs would be heavy. So I had to give up teaching on a Saturday morning. I just couldn't it was just a much is just there is no haptics and some weekends will have double header. So we'll have again Saturday and Sunday. So maybe a cup game it may be only scheduled game and those those are hard because we plan for us the Russian base test preservation and it's a tough League. It's very physical as fast. And if I'm playing a couple heads are have five classes on a Monday first one to ten in the morning. So I have domes, you know, I need to make sure after the matches that I'm foam roll and make sure I'm eating enough make sure I'm hydrated especially when I'm going to teach on a Monday and so it's really important that I look after my body. And so, you know, sometimes this is quite fast called you do get injuries you get personally obviously totally message your shin guards. Right on the knee cap and you get heads, you know, I've gone in with black eyes eggs on their heads. Press is all over me. But in that's just the chance you take when you play Hawking fortunately, I've been we never played that skirt. We weren't trusted with weapons. You said there about foam rolling. So what would your recovery kind of when I say recovery, we'll chat about nutrition and second. But what's your physical recovery look like and physical recovery outcome and And no monthly staff. So it's legs legs and lower back for me. My top path. I think do to combat never really gets that sword. And so it's always bottom half. So of the muscles that I'm not used to using so I don't really run a lot and and obviously you're running a lot and hockey so it's normally my mighty band is so tight my hips from being in that law possession and my Back, so it's just form ruling ice and my back sometimes and an app is also especially on a Saturday night. If I've got plans on the side in a have to come in for ruled shower nap for it's awesome. So I'm reading I'm telling so many people about this book have a got up handy to its sleep by Nick little Hills there have it there. You have it. I'm going to show you this big. It will change your life. Oh, it's not about quantity. Sorry. Yeah, it's not about the quantity of sleep you get it's a quality of sleep. I agree with us. Yeah, and it teaches you how to get the best out of nuts. It's absolutely fantastic. So one of the ones that have done this for years, but it's not I understand the science so I can do even better is having a shot of caffeine and then have a nap and then but you wake up after 20 minutes and you are so ready to go because it takes 20-30 minutes for the caffeine to hit your system. You're going to have your corner and then you're ready to go. That's genius. Yeah, and he talks about you can recognize when the dirt so we live in this myth that we should have eat or sleep per night. Yeah, and it's for most people that's not actually possible for most people. That's really unhealthy. I have to say I go to sleep and that's me sleep till I wake up and it's normally seven eight hours almost like that. I'll gamble that will naturally be less and he adores or gamble at seven and a half hours because that's that's the Rhythm that you go in. So so I'll recommend that very thing. This is the third time next been mentioned or neck like he's my best bit. He's been mentioned on the podcast and so I'll put that link in the initial know. It's for people and then what about nutrition? How do how do you balance nutrition between a hockey match and body combat class? So obviously I hockey matches much more physical than a body combat class. The combat class obviously, I need to be filled but it's not my work out. It's their work out so I can pull back and I've got very good over the years of making it look like I'm really really working hard, but I'm actually not because with whole kid, you can't delete do that. Especially you get your coaches say screaming at you to keep going so I always make sure that the night before I have a match and I have quite a lot of carbs and it before so that I know that I'm filled for the next day. You know games are normally like lunchtime. So it'd be like has 12 1 o'clock. I'll go up. I will have my breakfast sort of normally be an omelet or scramble eggs and tools bacon coffee and make sure I'm hydrated and yeah, I'll have a I'll have a small something before hockey's don't make me a banana something that's like sports or energy release. And I've always always always go Hannibal or jelly babies in my bag for halftime because they're like a necessity even if you feel like you don't need them. I still have them just cause a weak points of the game where you have maybe like, Gone for a bed run and you're you know, you're struggling and you're thinking right. This had a boys kick a can make that be great to give kind of weird for that argument of your stand harrybo's and what places talking about specifically to glucose that you want in your system because you know, all the studies say after about 60 Minutes of intense exercise, which a body combat workout would be certainly a hockey match would be your muscles are depleted all of the glucose because you can only store certain amount. Getting with anyway. Do you want to wear start out within an hour? So it's really important to top up on this you can tail the sportsmen and women who don't do this very well. These are the ones who I'm thinking specifically of the Women's World Cup here because there was just so much of it in the Women's World Cup the amount of individual mistakes that the players were making and like the 70th minute and it's yes, there's a certain amount of muscle fatigue, but when your muscles are fatigued your brain also gets fatigued as well. So we will be seen A hockey when you're tired, the first thing that goes as your scalp and your brain and you just make silly mistakes, yeah, I find it hard when I play football to eat anything at halftime because it was 45 minutes in and I couldn't actually digest everything. So I always used and science has moved on a lot. I use these horrible energy gels a way back then. I'm the first half because I was a goalkeeper. My water bottle would have been water. This is second half it had normally it was just Z just something really really easy because there was again the glucose and that so my message to people listening to this is especially even if you're not playing hockey and football or and doing group exercises, if you didn't two classes in a row it in between hand you need you will benefit massively from some sort of glucose and take whether that's a supplement of whether that is a mouthful of don't be rude banana. You will feel so much better for that and you'll a Actually come the 45th minute of your second class. You'll actually still feel like yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I have to do that. And I thought I was the I've got a pump combat double and out always need like couple of like sweets or something in between. Uh-huh and between the two are I'm just like now I'm doing it with this one right now. So it's at the end of every 50 minutes. I'll eat something the side of the pole of got one minute to eat it and then Swimming again. So last last Saturday was four hours and I had two bananas at the side of the pole than to lose energy gels. And there's me stopping every now and then just for sipping on the end of funny looks well. No, not really. Not really. You know, you're spending too long when you see the lifeguards Chien shift twice. Oh geez. Yeah you're going to Turn into a mirror man just shortly Joe. I'm actually really excited because after this podcast is over we're treated and we're swimming up quarter past 6:00. So I'm going to go to the gym. I'm going to you know, like the way it's area, you know, like lifting heavy things. I'm going to want to pick up things and put them down. Your Boise will not know what's going on. I'm gonna be sore for days and you know we so if you could give You know it test. What would your attempts to you know instructors Bay who are teaching 10 15 20 classes a week just to stay on top of their training and nutrition. Oh and I would say make time for yourself. So I always try to make time to go to the gym. So even if it's like 30 minutes, for example this morning, I was really pushed for saying so but a really really busy and I went and and I was training shoulders and I thought right. What's the quickest way? I can do this. And I was doing shit for sex and it just makes it go so much quicker and you're actually feel that you've done. I really really tough workout because it's in such a short space of time and you still feel like you've worked but you're cutting your workout and half and so I just try to make time for yourself to chain because I think personally for me it's a mental thing. I like to be able to go into the gym and just zone out from everything. Nothing because when you're teaching and you've got so many things in your mind, you've got like how many people are coming what's real to make for I haven't got batteries. Where's my mate Bill? What's the music doing? The speaker's aren't working. Whereas when you're going to the gym and you train you can just forget all about that and just focus on yourself. Yeah, and I like that there as well about even if it's only 30 minutes. Hmm. Just get out and get it done. One of my clients. She texts me. Was it this morning? Yeah, it was this morning. I was can you send me a quick 20 minutes? Like for before my class, so I sent her a message back. I said grab a 30k barbell. I'm do 10 bent over row followed by ten push-ups as I do that every minute on the minute for 20 minutes and she replied back. Are you serious? And I was like, thank you probably all this is going to be easy. Yeah. She's like well in her words, it was brutal. I could just simple actions like I think that seeing Instagram at the all of that in here and we see all these Fitness Instagram people and their complicated things by you know, doing a dumbbell snatch followed by a backward step and lunge with a push-up integrated row and ha ha it's crazy. You know what just as potent stuff and you'll probably have a great workout absolutely to get back to basics. Your record doesn't need to be two hours long. Okay, you can burn as many calories. Paramedics like absolutely like blasting yourself. Then the same as two hours. Yeah, it's cute. One of my favorites just keep things simple is Northern Irish volume training. You've heard of Northern Irish Vol Jin. No. Well, we've all heard a German volume training, which is 10. Okay? Yeah, right. Okay guys volume pain is 11 by 11. But you don't always count your reps or set to just kind of make it up as you go along and simple. Yeah, there will be a product of Northerners volume training being sold by Ricky long and future, please check our website for details the right. Let's get let's get away from Trading. Let's talk about your other business. Let's talk about freedoms because that's really exciting because that's new. Yeah. So from what I've seen I was doing the know. Mole was a me Instagram Vortex the other day. I'm just fumbling around them lay on all of a sudden. It's sad freedoms by hand though has started following you. That made by hand off her mere by handle has started following him like some that's this is another one of those random Instagram accounts enough. Okay, and though hando scrolled back went in and it's only you doing all this amazing artwork. That's really really Kern crafts like personalized pieces for people on an individual basis. I think it's absolutely fantastic. In terms of the quality of work on the personalized message, you know, it's not like you're going into Tesco's and buying something off the shelf. Yeah. It's really really cold and personalized and what you're doing. So tell us a bit more about it. So where I got as mentioned earlier. I got married two years ago. I can hear your cat your cat has paranoid. Yeah. Yeah, so I got my I did two years ago and we got so many gifts from people. We got some beautiful gifts, but one of my favorite favorite guests was from a friend Danny and it was a flame that had bunting along the top and I had our names the date. We got married and then it had a Lego man and alcohol level groom and all they go braids and it had flowers and and the bottom of the flame had like all these day Monty's and I just thought she made that and I do So that is amazing that she's actually spent time making that as opposed to just going as you see going to test on buying something off the shelf. She's actually spent time and I just thought that's so nice and I started then looking at what could I do? Like when I'm going to Wade in or it someone's birthday or I need to give someone a gift. So I started in making Scrabble frames so it take wide so so for example, I did one for my mom. So it's like all their the pits means all our names are things that were important to my mom and give her that for Christmas and chips that Lobster and I started thinking that what else could you do? So I've done a few different things just as gifts because I just I loved The handmade gift that I got and thought of at the time I got into it. So I just thought it's much nicer to give someone a gift that you've spent time on like they'll appreciate it more than just buying something or giving them a voucher and given the money so my friends about anybody said to me I really thank you start seeing these and she kind of went out with you it available. So I decided I'll post it on social media and of see what people think and so many people have messaged me saying, oh my goodness. These are amazing. You should definitely say all them people love personalized things are so many things that you could do. And so yes, I started I started a Facebook page that it's an Instagram page and honestly, I'm Blown Away with the native people have contacted me asking me to meet them things. It's it's crazy. But you know, the funniest thing is I am the least Artie person that I know like I kind of draw for shit. I am so the worst drawer ever like so bad, but see things that are like that unique. Like I love see Ikea furniture love making furniture all that kind of stuff like putting things together. I love that because I love all of planning things like so looking at something having all the bets and then putting it together and then seeing the finished article. Yeah. I love when I the process of hey episode has fallen fallen in love with the process. How would it work if I wanted a free and what I just kind of message you and give you a couple of like Words give you you know what I meant to and then there's your creative free and just kind of take over from that point. Yes. Oh I would say and you like beer Man United football wetsuits. I started like a weird State party and then you would just click over and yeah, so thanks describe the latest free and you've done for podcast listeners because this would be quite technical. Okay, so my friends one of my old school friend, she got married a couple of weeks ago. In fact two weeks were tomorrow. And I thought right what can I do for her? So her family massive massive golfing family. So I thought what what's the main thing that I can do here? So it's obviously we're getting married. So where did they get engaged? And what's their names? What are they both enter? What's the most important thing about like marriage sorts, like love wave husband all sort of things that relate to them as a couple so you've got like golf whiskey. So she works for West SEA company and burgers because they love going out and partying friends family. They're both like very very close to the friends and family. So it's just it's quite easy for me to make you go for someone that I know because obviously I know about them. So if someone should be easy for me to make a gift for you and we as if it's someone it's on your customer that I don't know I would just mess it up a few times and So, uh, so for example, someone messaged me asking to make a frame further mom's 50th birthday. So I was just trying to get and I'll be better information about what she's like. What does she like as she had gampy didn't is she an anti is your mum and she liked all that kind of thing. What does she lake so it's not just, you know, using the words. It's like adding a little decorations and it Relate to her and as she like, you know has got like family. So it's just trying to find out things about the person that you're making the gift for so that you can make as personalized as you can absolutely love it because there's real meaning behind that and you said a couple minutes ago. You said you're the least but it's a you can't draw for shit what you just described like that is I got Absolutely, no expert but that sort what you just described because it's emotion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why you know, that's why artists get paid the big bucks because it's a motion that they can they can use and they can bring our own emotional people because I'm free of you just described. I mean if you hand that to me, it means absolutely nothing to me. I don't care. Yeah can look at it and say yes well done as well put together. Hmm But to to the people you were given up to it has real real meaning and emotion behind it. So that's why we look at some artists work like penton's and that and think that is absolutely crap. Perhaps under the emotion or the potential the buyer of the receiver the artist Gallery whatever it might be they and that's where value content so that's where I think what you're doing that that's why what in my opinion that's why what you're doing with it. It's so good because it's personal to people and it's happening to that emotional side because as we said anyone can go to Tesco's and there's a free and with you know, a picture of that have taken off your face book that you posted last week. Yeah. Anyone can do that and it's Korea are you know, I'm not knocking that but what you're doing, it's just that it's that little bit extra and that's why it is so valuable and that's why it's never about let's make all the money we can but that's why people We'll pay for it. And that's why it's turned into that little bit of a service or product the business way. Absolutely because the thing is it's not I love making them that's why I wanted to do it because I actually genuinely have fun making them and then And as well, it's when you give that to the customer. So obviously I've done a lot of ones for people local to me and it's in your face. They're like a couple of you made that and that to me that's more important than put my hands out and getting the money percent still I'm going to I might take this out of the podcast what I'm about to say, I might not one more time Leon sores and often kicking us out or not. Hey, look, of course, what will be 60 Minutes or probably want to keep this in depend what your answer? Do you have an order in process right now? Or for anyone yes. I've got a few so we're not what she's on the list. I was Team. All right, so what to do see when you're making that one aha get your phone out and do a time-lapse record it and then post that recording on social media. So as other people can see the process. Yeah. So that's one's a little bit different to Scrabble words. It's still got Scrabble pieces in it and drop me tell you what it is. Not a surprise because this is probably the way For they get oh, no, she knows it's Corridor and she's like so she's definitely not gonna be listening to this three year olds not going to be listened to those now, but Katie Wells is getting cavities. So those are you that are ways males will know Katie in shibori Stick presenter. She contacted me to do a frame. So she's moving house and she wanted a theme for a daughter. Sorry daughters name's Abby. So I'm doing a big giant. I'm a so I'm going to paint it pink and then I've got so ABS absolute best. For example. Katie had messaged me last night. She said I'd love you to just thing for me as for a be a big capital E. And I said, right. So can you tell me about about her so that I can decorate it and she said she loves unicorns her middle names Roars. She loves baked. Whaley's so I was like perfect that's going a little faith that's all it needs. And then yeah, so I've got in my head already. I know exactly what I'm going to do. So, yeah, so I've got and I'm actually going to give it to her at tribal Gathering because she's teaching at tribal Gathering his Veil. So if you're a type of gathering you want to see it. But of a seamless think we're going to chat about tribal Gathering next but just in case anyone's interested in seeing some of the frames that you've done more is the best place they can see that and either on my Facebook page, which is Handmade by handle or my Instagram seem at Handmade by handle. Perfect. I'll put them both in the show notes. Thank you. I then seamlessly like a small sigh seamlessly like a rainbow, which that's not us. That's not a thing. That's not a sentence. That doesn't even make sense. No seamlessly like something that is seamless let's chat tribal Gathering. Yes, I go on chatter you're doing body combat. I want to say is a polygon by it a 81 81. So you lie and help Alison Phil Harrison you doing perfect. How's it going? How's life going for it? Hey, it's been Goods. So we've got Last week we had we've got a WhatsApp group. So we arms for everybody listening who's on his nose world. Every single event that we will ever do there will be either a Facebook group or a WhatsApp group or sometimes both. Hi. Yeah, we don't have both so obviously it's been quite busy time for Lee. He's just become a dad so last week we worked out what tracks are going to be doing which is really exciting and really happy with the tracks that I've got and choreography Faisal and the head now, which is great and it's know just sort of papen final scripts for the event and yeah put an N so talking about and like the performance side of things. So there's going to be a little bit of performance and their me bat and the guys basically awesome. And yeah, so that'll be good. I'm looking forward to that. So obviously has advanced backgrounds. So he's got the capital reader tracks and he'll be going to that and I'm pretty sure they'll be some twerking involved on body combat at some point. Do you need me to come up for the trucking Fierce? If you would like to come up to the track and face your more than Miracle Becky for can make arrangements for that. You give people some real kind of a timeline. So we're actually recording this podcast that this is quite random. We're Recording this on Wednesday the 21st. This is going to go all out on Lisa's birthday, which is on day the 2626. So this is when this is when live and tribal Gathering is the 31st sort of back up just a little Lisa has just said it was only this week. They decided what tracks they were teaching and we normally get or the release about a month before I think it was like the first of August we got it sent. Yeah, it was it was that just the ends and right end of July beginning of August. Yeah. So what we normally have that for weeks and just depending on the program and who's organizing and what all is going on. That's when we kind of decided or truck. So, you know your troops for combat. I know more tracks for pump also normal tracts for CX Works, which was decided about two months ago from honest with you before it even. As in the released without Brian and I decided because whatever the other way Ryan before okay before I did 2 4 6. So this time she's doing two four six. I'm doing one three five. Okay, that's the science. That's one under that but it's actually work at me quite well for the moose. And you were saying there are about performance. So we do performs at these big events because these are I always say this about tribal Gatherings and Courtney workshops or Les Mills lives. Whatever they are. They just the chance for us as Fitness professionals. I'm not talking about also as Les Mills trainers, but also as Fitness professionals to network to go out and have a good time it is it is or Christmas party stroke Saturday night four by eight hours on a Saturday afternoon more real we all just get a bit stupid. We get a bit or four feasts on endorphins doing weird. Exercise classes on one of the things we bring to the table as a Les Mills trainer is the element of performance where we will do something as a group we wouldn't do in a normal class. Yeah, for example, we've all seen the video of what I did at the last tribal Gathering of the twerking. I mean that yes that might have happened once your twins twice and a regular class just as it's not right, but that is what we do. So you guys have some performance lined up for Or body combat I do. Can you give us an account? Give it away now. I'm not telling you this any insights eccentric 7. And that's all we're getting that's it. So if you want to know get Britain and Sarah Pepper or going to be doing your first Scottish tribal Gathering. Yeah. So I've done I've done one type of garden. Yeah, which was a real special one, but this is the first one that I've done. Scotland, so I am really excited because there is a obviously I am a trainer in Scotland. So I've got people coming that I've had on IMT like from Huddersfield. They're all coming up when I've got obviously people that I know from quite the workshops my Mom and Dad are coming. I'm using my watch. So my mom, um, I think is more excited about this than me. I believe it so excited and she always felt my mom actually can't wait to meet like a lot of the trainer's that I obviously talked about so You know, there's people that we don't like as a team. We don't get to see each other as often as people think so. It's quite able to create a base for my mom to actually put some faces to the names. And so yeah, so it's going to be it's going to be awesome. I can't wait. Yeah, it's really good so good. I said that's the last podcast. I'm just kind of hijacked what you just said and as trainers, we don't get to see each other a lot of time. Do you know I've never ever seen syrup effort h ouch I've seen her teach once oh, really? Yeah, once yeah, I just ran or they'll send media venue instead of Pepper or they'll send heifer deven you instead of me. Well, that's the thing. I've seen you nodes because you're going to teach combat at a venue. They need a doctor's well, it might be me. So I like I'm sure stage with sir. I know the tracks. It serves God knows she's really really happy about that. So I think and You said that a lot of people you've Tree in there it's a repair for has tree and about 50% of all bodypump instructors in Scotland. Exactly. So it's a massive. It's a massive deal for her and I'm honestly I couldn't be happier for it. If because she deserves that she's worked so hard and then it's quite funny actually tell you the story in when we got told to obviously the communications were going out to as as the team who was doing what should we get? We get our and offers of work for courtly workshops. And then we also get if we are available. So we gather availability. So it was you know, so far in advance and we get told the communications are going out today, but any office of obviously got to same boat so many emails. So if you don't get it this morning, you might get it this afternoon. So Sarah sent me sent me a voice notes like oh my god. I've got time. Obviously, I'm really excited for in the morning. I still had hair day Nippon so hadn't heard anything. So an urgent it was like six o'clock and I was getting in too much into this video my club to go and teach just like fuckin shit my phone as I'm walking and I got an email now. It's like so I was trying to forward it to Taylor knows obviously. She was teaching this outside to wait till like 9 o'clock to tailor. It was like a scene out of like a foam you don't have it at all like garlic chick flick and they're on the phone. They're just like That's all I hit that phone. Yeah, so we're just poor just like say it's okay. That's thank you never really get to see each other teach either we teach different programs. We always tend to get sent to different places. And so we're doing is actually teach other teaching and because we were a bit camp together as we are like we've gone through the whole journey as well. So be nice. I'll be so good and I'll get the I'll get the sea. I love as well. I won't get to see Sarah teach because I'll be beside I'll probably will get to see rotations probably spent most of my time watching. I'll definitely get to see combat. What I was going to say is I've got my final couple of questions just in the interest of time so we can both get on with our our days, huh? Favorite app on your phone. That is not social media. Oh. that's changes sometimes but this I would say generally this is one of my favorite apps and people that are less than or probably think that was really sad, and I've got to so my factors power support because I use it everyday, so I tracked the feds in So I know obviously what I'm eating. I find it really interesting. Like what send things that think that you didn't expect that their stuff for protein and broccoli. Yes, there is. Yeah, so yeah that and then one of my other favorites is just e so they work quite well together these works very well together. What would you tell your 20 year old self? I would tell my 22 to stop caring what people think. because I spent so I think I was bullied when I was younger when I was at school and I sort of went through my young adult life worrying what people thought and no looking back you shouldn't care because there's things that you're going to do in your life that people would agree with the people would like but it's not their life. Sure. So, you know, that's that's why we tell myself don't don't worry about what people think he's it's really irrelevant. So many people so many people say that one asking that question and it's probably what I would have would have said for a while. There are relatives were always going to worry what this is. What I've learned is we cannot stop worrying what people think Like it's impossible to genuinely mean I don't care what anyone thinks because we always care if we're saying that it means weaker. So you gotta you gotta change your focus and I talked about the Inner Circle. So you got to get your inner circle of people and this is the tight people. This is this is your husband. This is your mom. This is your bestest bestest friend. This isn't someone who you go to class with three or four times a week. This is your best friend who, you know, you can cut down And anytime you want then call them out and you have your inner circle and these are the people who you focus on and you actually care what they think and if you and if you care about not so much getting there. I was going to say approval but if you care about them emotionally and they care about you and you actually won't care what others think because you only care about this type group of people. I don't wish I hadn't been told that like when I was 15 16 I'm connecting. Well, you know what when I was younger growing up, definitely I've got some questions from the ground. Oh, well, that's exciting. Yeah. I've got two so it is would you teach and so earlier on today. I put on my Instagram story. I've got Lisa comment on them a podcast and the question I've got is would you teach and tree and on the same day? Yes. Yes. I didn't watch this again that goes back to what we said at the start. It's up 30 minutes. We at session might be all you need. Yeah, that's a good one again kind of touching us, but how does hockey fail tonight after a body combat class? I feel the pain after yeah, I think what they're trying to say is if you're treated in Santa Wednesday night and you've talked Combat on Tuesday. Okay? Yeah, do you feel that? You know what now? She's shaking her head. Yes, and no, I don't know. I don't I think because I have to train definitely for hockey. So because coma is so such a different Fitness to hockey. It doesn't affect me. I think I don't know why that's because I've talked combat for so long. I mean don't get me wrong. There's days where I'm like if I'm doing a mix and it's maybe because what I tend to do is I'll go of that song actually forget what the move sir. So then I go and I can have like a what are the notes and I'm like, yeah remember that that yep. Got it done one in teacher and like how she says talking and thinking Shit, this is actually really hard but it's because I just remember this song. I don't actually remember how it physically makes me feel so sometimes if I'm doing next and I'm doing a pretty tough mix I will feel the next day but generally and teaching I'll not feel it. Yeah, well playing hockey nets were the other way around. Okay. So what do you mean so at it would be like if I've had a hockey match. So for example last wait and see it was my first time with my hands on a hockey stick since March I've been doing preseason, but I've not been actually playing hockey. I've just been to the fitness and and I was really sore on the first day, you know on a Thursday I get to combat Center Body Pump and see my legs by the first thing I ever did. Yeah, the mechs I've injured in combat is quite laggy and then obviously I had pump as well. So it's more than other rewriting don't feel that if I do hockey and then have to teach it. So I'll feel it. Okay, that's good. Let's go London. You said something earlier in the podcast as well? Just like, you know, you learn how to put it back Mmm Yeah. So just those people understand what we mean when we say that this is something you learn with experience of being being an instructor is you learn how to make it look like You're given a hundred percent and really you're like ssst. Yeah, you can sit and Cruz fifty sixty seven out and all depends on the class. You'll pick. It depends on the class and I'll depend on the track. You'll pick it up for some tracks the example. I always give is bodypump. So you will have a range of Weights that you can lift. So when they're I can talk specifically about the backtrack because I'm at the bottom end of my range right now. So in the back track, I can pick up ten each side of my bar or can pick up 15. Inside my boy. I'm very very comfortable doing that for tribal Gathering. I'll be towards the 15 each side, but this woman because I'm doing so much swimming right now in my shoulders are just a mess. So I wasn't an each side easy and you may be doing certain things in the workout. It's not that you're not calling full range, but you're deliberately find in a way where your body can cheat it just a little bit. So in the event of a row, I may be deliberately not as bent over. Doesn't need to be in on the kind of sitting in a half squat. So if we use the empty sample, it really really simple example for body combat, you know, your Sidekick could maybe go a little bit higher could you could draw your knee in a little bit more sharply as the word and you just it's not that you're not performing great technique incredible technique where it's not that you're not a role model. It's just that you're just keeping a little bit in reserve. Yeah, and I create a great tip for combat. Is when our any instructor really that if you're doing stuff on the floor even in body attack or body called bodypump when you're doing stuff on the for generally nine times out of ten your participants are going to be looking at before. So if you're doing mountain climbers are you doing in press-ups? You can kind of like pull back a little and cheat the air and especially if it's in combat an attack where you're starting to struggle harder ways. You can start to pull back a little bit and And they're not going to see that because they are looking at before blown out their own us. So that's a really good opportunity for you to just think like I can pull back a little bit here and catch my breath so that you know Furniture track. I'm good. We should start some sort of podcast rope in YouTube channel about instructor tips tricks and cheats. Yeah, I think we would have a lot of content for her. They say I've had so much fun doing this long time in the making this podcast. Thank you so much for coming on I will put all your details in the show notes. But what is where is the best place for people to follow you on? Social media Instagram Instagram and what is your handle my my handle my hand? As in Lisa underscore McDonald's underscore LM your key. Awesome. Thank you so much been a pleasure. I will catch you on the other side. Thank you. Bye, you know the drill if you like what you listen to give us some feedback leave a review on iTunes. Make sure you follow Lisa hand me a by handle make sure you reach out to your support tribal gathering this weekend and if you're interested in getting involved in I'll be got a message me right now priority less twenty five spaces goes live on Sunday the 1st of September. I absolutely love that chat with Lisa. She's someone who every time Lisa and I are on the phone or facetimed each other. We just lose ourselves in kind of space and time and just go into this like kind of conversational Vortex were which will we just connect with each other a lot of banter. Hope that came across well in the podcast love to hear your feedback as I've said before or otherwise have a great day. This is the retinol passed you are listening to the Ricky Long podcast where International Fitness entrepreneur Ricky Long answers your questions and interviews Fitness leaders on training nutrition and mindset. Be sure to leave a review on iTunes.

#53 Lisa Macdonald - Glasgow Tribal Gathering + How to balance sport and full time teaching. Lisa is a long time fitness professional having turned into an instructor having been a class participant for a number of years. Later Lisa progressed and has been recognised and awarded National Trainer Status with Les Mills UK for Bodycombat. Along side this Lisa has played competitive Hockey her whole life. In this episode we discuss how Lisa balances her time between her two passions including Training to teach Nutrition to teach What rest and recovery looks like Batching her classes together midweek to allow efficient rest time at the weekend Lisa's fitness journey overall Lisa has established a fine reputation in the fitness industry in Scotland and has recently opened two businesses alongside her teaching and hockey. Lisa is an online personal trainer specialising in helping women build strength, confidence and enjoyment in their fitness activities. More recently Lisa has opened up her Artist Frames buisness. Handmade by Hendo is a boutique style product offering personalised pieces of art for individual buyers. We talk deep about this in todays episode.

This is a real life sales training once a one the I did with a brand new team member on her very first day starting out as a new sales girl here at impact school. So the position that we're talking about here is closing people on the phone and rolling people on sale school. So anyone listening right now who has a high ticket offer you need to be selling. On the phone just selling through dams is not good enough you use the DMS as a vehicle to get people onto the phone call because the phone call is where you can sell these high ticket enrollments and I don't like to think of it as a sale. I like to Simply think about it as you are enrolling someone into solving that problem, but we're going to be getting into that hair today. This really is just a conversation with myself and my new team member. I'll probably get her on the podcast in the future to talk about how everything is going. But with that said, I really think everything here is going to be some absolute golden nuggets for you. And yes, I record every single meeting because guess what when you record something then it becomes a system which you can teach to anyone who you then bring onto your team in the future. And even if right now you don't have any team members it still makes sense to do so because it speeds up the process massively moving forward and if you want to grow your business fast then well you really need to get on it. So everything that we're talking about here is for the enrollment of people who want to start the eight-week program to start your online coaching business. So anyway, let's dive into it. And if you want to start an online coaching business, then what you need to do is just go over to new online coach.com and maybe you'll be the one who gets to speak to my new team member and go through this process and this system and yeah new online coach and ew onl i and e Co ACH Dot-com and yeah, both your cool and let's have a chat from seeing the sales page from seeing workshop and everything. What would you say like, your understanding of the program is little to no experience. So under the 10K a month, they're really getting yeah and structured approach to them to essentially take on those five new big clients. Yeah in lesson 8 with allows them to understand how to sell so gives them the scripts and it gives them the support that they need that they might not already have because you know, you always need that one person. You need someone to help you you don't do things alone. Yes it take you over to you, you know, it allows them to focus their content understanding me one thing which allowed on that is like so the new sort of Is really helping them cell based on transformation. Yeah. So right now you'll find that a lot of people like this isn't necessarily something that you're going to need to know to actually like enroll people on the phone, right but it's just good for your own awareness is like so many coaches when they're trying to start online like they'll sell you probably seen on into stories like, oh you can get weekly check-ins you can get your workouts. Like it's a hundred percent personalized and tailored like no one cares about that. They just want the outcome. So it's basically we help them sell. It's upon the outcome and we helped them create the transformation that allows them to achieve that outcome in that clients lives. And so yeah, I mean, that's great. I mean it really it's the key thing is it's like all online. Yeah, you know, everything is like creating an online business. So a lot of people that come to us will be people who are you know, for example personal trainers. Yeah or people who maybe they've been working in marketing that whole life and they're like really good at marketing. Yeah. And now let's take of working in corporate so they want to build a business of their own. Yeah, or maybe they've been managerial positions that whole life, you know, and they know that they could help other small businesses, you know, create good company structure and Company culture. So the company can increase their profits. It's kind of going to be people like that made me. Okay. Um, so like you just watched the workshop people are going to be coming to you from the workshop mainly because now that you've seen it like you understand really like that car - and what they understand the program to be and then obviously it was great that you didn't mention like, you know that they get for calls a week and that they get like this isn't this because like often when people are trying to like sell stuff they'll sort of cell Like I mentioned before the check-ins and all that and they don't need to know that they need to know that they're going to get so much accountability and that would there for them every step of the way so that they don't feel it. Yeah. So like it when almost don't put a number on that it's you know, you're going to get support but you're not going to tell you what your support is because it depends right exactly because it's much as they want. They get is unlimited is it legit legged pose like a bajillion things and in the community every day if they own it and they get help on him. So it's sometimes I can be a bit overwhelming but what I was going to say was like when ever you're on a phone call, like one thing that I'll do is we could say it like, you know, you get everything that you do audited. We don't stop that gay you don't because you when you were talking before you kind of start it you said like you guys support because it's really hard you said formula. Yeah, but basically you you will you say something like you get everything audited wherever and then use the phrase like so that okay and then link it into an outcome that they need help with right? Yes, so that will change the game. So it's like let's say because we have a we have a system right is that you'll get access to this. They click a button is they enter their name and email that goes in after that they do a mini survey and then after the mini survey then we get them like after. But they could basically they fill out an application. So you'll get all the information you'll get what their goals are. You'll get what this is holding them back and we've even just created a PDF for them to complete before they get on the cup. Okay, so they have all this information right? It's just going to be a case of like making sure that the things that you say to them are tailored to them personally. Yeah, because some people don't care about money right those people care about maybe they care about Freedom. Yeah. So every time you're talking you don't even really need to mention the money so much like everyone goes want money through a degree, but you'll focus it more. I'm like, oh you'll be able to travel. Yeah. Oh you'll be able to afford like more expensive hotels and that's a good thing all you'll be able to see more cultures in the in the question survey. Say what what motivates them what they want. Yeah their goals. Yeah, we get them to do all that. I'll show you that in a minute. I just kind of wanted to like free frame all this just leave a few things. But anyways, obviously it really is just a system like with our cool. We have a very specific cell School structure, which really works. I'm going to send this to you and everything but pretty much like, of course you're going to get access to this and because I like, you know, we can we can also roll place on as well. Yeah, but I'm going to give you a more because Kristina has like edited this and Tons of like her and personal ways of doing things. Everyone does things a bit differently. Yeah. I'll give you a more stripped-down one. Okay. Basically we just look we just do some small develop beginning then we tell them what's coming on the call firstly we these are the things that we're going to join the call. Mmm, then they say cool that's fine. And then we tell them the structure of the group. Okay? Okay, because we tell them what's coming. We literally say I want to get clear where you are aiming for. Yeah after that. I want to know what's what's happening right now and once I I know where you are now and where I know where you want to be. I'll be able to identify the bridging between okay, and if and only if the way in order that we can get you from there to where you want to be is this program then we'll invite you to join. Okay, it's just so simple. I like the invite you to join because it just makes you feel like yes, I'm accepted. But at the same time we don't invite everyone maybe this is the important thing if you're on the call with them and they aren't good and they don't and they don't there's a This thing is Right close. We teach High ticket sales. Yeah, we teach High ticket programs. Like we call it like an impact or fur if they are not good enough at what they do. Yeah to be able to command a high price and there's no they're not good for the program. Then we down sell them in put your Niche. Yep. So your yoga the link is just like impact your Niche.com. Yeah, I'll send it to you. Yeah, we literally tell them do this fast. Yeah get understanding of what your Niche is gonna be. And then maybe in the future. Yeah, and then on the cool you booked another phone call with that. Okay. So let's just say because in my only true they can do it in like a couple days, but the good things you usually do is like maybe maybe then while you're if you have to downsize someone Book a cool with them while you're still on the call with them. Yes. It's a week after so they've had some time. Okay, right get you say something. Like I don't know tell me about why you're not already and only goes something's up. Tell me why you're not already and only good you can make they'll basically say, I don't know. I've just don't know where to start. I don't know how to start. I just I've tried a few things. Names of tried making ebooks. I'm not good at technology. It's just so overwhelming to me right what you then you don't say. Oh, yeah. It's really hard. You don't say something like that. You'll say yeah, it's really overwhelming because they said they said overwhelming right? That's the word that using it. So you repeat that you'll sell it. Oh, yeah. It's really overwhelming to so online coaching business when you don't have the right strategy. There are so many options out there right now, and it can get a bit confusing. Using some people are saying do ebooks some people are saying build a website. Some people are saying build a funnel. Some people are saying due back in Automation. And then like at that point, it's help just is really well. They say it's like helping them really understand what is stopping them, you know aggravating those pain points. I used to think I was really manipulative, but it's not because they are stuck on that overwhelmed and the only way to get them out of that over one is to have them and roll because then they have the structure. I feel like when it comes to selling a program like this, it kind of sells itself. Yeah, because here's the thing. We don't have to do high-pressure sales because we have that zeusian to that problem. So like if they don't want to join then they're going to stay start exactly and overwhelmed and confused and all that. So I mean really The script does the talk. Yeah, simple I think like just a few I think I'll get Christine has to do a go with you as well. But like the thing is right. You basically need to just make sure that you're sticking to this. Yeah, because it's very easy to go off the script. Yeah, this works. Yeah. It's like when you give someone macros, yeah, and they just go off and do their own thing and they're just like, oh no, I'm just gonna swap around like my macros and then it will get sick. Use magnets like drawn out and it's confusing and you have to fix it and spend energy fixing it. Yeah. Well as if you stick to it it works. Yeah. Okay and whilst I was going to say was like, sometimes they'll keep rambling on and on and on and on and on and I was going to say what is so when someone goes off on a tangent and they just completely yeah have to pull them back. The thing is right people will do that all the time because they're hurting right like They hate where they're at right now other work, like if they want uncomfortable they wouldn't be on the cool. Yeah, and so people will start telling you they're sort of like whole life stories. Yeah, and sometimes it's really sad like, you know, it's actually really but then that shows how much they need to join ya as and that's just more fuel for you to get them into the program exactly because they need help. So when it comes to like tell me about your goals when they tell you about their goals, they always thought talking about their problems. Because everyone is doubting themselves so much. This is especially true with English people. It's much less about you talking. Yeah, it's much more about you repeating what they say and then it's about just making them feel confident that we can help them. They should already be by now. I really like this school is really just a transaction. Yeah, basically enrolling them. So let's talk about the end because that's sort of like the important part. The first part is like the easy bit Yeah, the end is when it gets hot because like at the end you start because it goes It goes that to talk about their goals. Then it goes talking about their current reality. Yeah Okay and like as I told you about that current reality like the people on the phone will start to realize like oh my gosh, I need to get out of this current reality. Yeah. Now sometimes you get people who you know, they don't have a burning desire to change. Yeah, and those people are actually the hardest, you know, they might already be doing well in their job, but they might just You know that those people though is because they're just had to have a barrier up. They would have beyond the call of didn't have a real reason why they wanted to change. Yeah, so it's down to you to figure out well that is because I probably haven't already put it in the fall. Yeah. So once you find out what that real problem is, you can say, okay, so I understand right now that you I don't know maybe it's you've just been through a divorce. Yeah, and your job isn't giving you the Fulfillment that you want. Yeah, so you want to have fulfillment through helping people through online coaching. Yeah, right. That's where they are right now and that's what they want to be and then you can say but you just that they may have said previously but you just don't know where to get started when it comes to online coaching. Yeah, so and then because they're obviously going to be a good fit for the program. So then at that point that's when you invite them to join so then you just sort of say so John I feel confident that because you want this and because you also want to maybe they have some other goal as well. They've mentioned. Yeah. I know you want to be able to provide. Of your family. I'm confident that this program is going to help you not at the moment. We're thinking about changing the name from Impact your online business to something like the impact school something right on over. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'll let you know on that. I feel confident that button it. Let's just say impact on my business will help you with that. Ya all stay off that is when you sort of would just say like so I just want to flip the conversation on its head saying that works really nicely. It's all in the script, so don't stress out too much but So let's flip the conversation on his head. I want to invite you to ask me any questions about the program. Yeah, and that's when you can sort of going to more features rather than benefits. Right? Right. So that's when you can sort of break down like they might ask, you know, okay, so you know, what if I'm asleep while the cool is going on because I don't live in England or America. Maybe you can say that you'd be like, oh don't worry like we made sure that we had time availability so that for at least half the Fools, it's available for Australian people and like that side of the world. So just basically like you need an answer for everything. Yeah, I think we're going to make a document which literally creates alongside and how do you have anything to you? So I didn't often times. I mean, that's a good idea. I should create that. That's a really great idea. See these conversations are so helpful FAQ page. Yeah, I think you yeah, I remember so y'all I will do that but It's basically about having lots of everything literally I've had people on cause when I used to do this as Kazan myself tell me like while we aren't you really do have an answer for everything. So like for example, someone will be say someone will say I know if they start doubting themselves, right? You can literally say this is amazing Lucy. I'm so glad that you're being open and vulnerable for me. But everything is like positive everything everything they say even when it's sucked. It's like this is amazing. We can help you. Yeah, we Of a certified NLP coat on this program. Do you know an LPS and then they'll say no maybe some of them say, yes, and it's like when your linguistic programming so then because there is the exact systems that Tony Robbins is used to build this business, right? Okay, and then it's nice you say like now here's the thing she is trained and she has been coaching people on mindset for years. That is why we hired the best of the best coaches. So then you stop doubting yourself or so the parabola. Like there really isn't much of everything because this like this program gentler this one. I'm so cold it in like selling it and because they genuinely you had everything and you're like, oh she needs. Yeah. And do you have some to people asking numbers? Like how many people already on the program and how many like, you know, what is the what are your stats? And yeah, I do that's a good one so we can get will make a will make us - it another great one for me there. That's today. I'll tell you about. Yeah, that's true. You are like is the opposite of me? I'm like numbers that she it's just so so true. Yeah. So everyone we have a client satisfaction program. Yeah. And so what we do in that is every we say every three months we can sort of whenever we go in and we have a just a questionnaire that we sit on the go through with the client. And so and we get a score from each one and like everyone, you know, if it's below eight nine ten. We then have to go. No, it goes up to the top. We have some they have good standards. Yeah, really good, but it means that we can go into client meetings and we can say our client satisfaction is not young like, you know in our on our ratings going I gotta tell ya and that is for the whole of the UK, you know unit and you know our delivery, it's 95% know on tinier. Yeah, that kind of stuff. That's great. Yeah. I know that's corporate. So like yeah. I even though I hate corporate like there's still so much that you could get from it's just being able to say, you know, I know you can trust us. Yeah night, you know 95% of all of our pliers achieve exactly what they wanted to achieve. I'm going to lose you get on that today. That's a bit sad note will definitely Implement that so yeah, we will have that obviously will take some time to gather that but yeah, that's perfect. Now we have like a boatload of testimonials. That's good Hans. So so what we do is one more on the calls something that I'll do sort of I don't know. Let's say after they talked about their current reality. It's like just kind of like laugh a bit and just like like but a sort of like thinking like forward-thinking. Yeah, you're just like my client Emily. Yeah. It's gonna know you'll say like, this is crazy. Emily used to be a teacher as well. She was a teacher and she was actually living in a for she's listening to this right now. She was living in a foreign country and she was you know, struggling to pay her bills. She was living paycheck to paycheck. And now let me just go into the whole story right now. She's been on the podcast or anyone listening. He's right now go good unit. But yeah, so that's like one thing we will again create an entire. We're in the process right now of creating literally like case studies based upon Niche and based upon goals, but it's a bomb problems based on reality. So that it sort of like you can just pick and choose what you're going to have because we have so many that sometimes it's hard to like pick one. That's going to be a good fit big allied with regards to that. I'll give you some key people stories and how much money they've made and like what they're doing with their lives now so that you can use that. Yeah, because like obviously that proof is really important. They would have already seen it from the workshop because remember you're only doing the workshop ones. But yeah, I think that that makes a lot of sense. So yeah anyways getting back to the The cool so you are you answer the questions and then you can basically sort of like at the end. It's like do you have any more questions sort of and let them sort of get their final questions out there and they'll be like no, I think that's everything. So then again you say right. So let's get you started. Then we went through a whole entire training on how to take payment on the phone how to handle objections how to do a payment plan upfront investment when to do it what to do. About how to do it why to do it where what blah blah blah blah or anything. You can possibly need to know about all of that and really when it's a good ones actually give up on trying to get the sale. So we went through all of that, but then we go on to a really funny topic. And by the way, if you do want to get started and start your own online coaching business learn how to master sales like we are talking about here then make sure to go to new online coach.com. It's in the show notes as well and also tell a friend about this. This episode if you've been finding it useful so far but there's still a lot of golden nuggets to come. So be sure to stick around if they want it bad enough. They'll get a credit card. They'll get a loan they'll do something you're like people think right it causes so evil because of personal credit cards and it's so different to a business debacle a business credit card. Like it's, you know, people that forgiving people that start businesses and get again funding. Yeah. Oh my God, like they're going into so much that people don't think about it that way like its Different than buying a TV with a credit card on a Payday Loans, you know, I mean, it's just people aren't educated enough. Yeah. It just don't think I just don't and they don't do villain research either. Oh my God. Don't even tell me tell me about it. My friend yesterday is over this thing and what's up, it was like a link and I clicked the link and it took me to this like fake Google. No. No, it was like funny because I asked a question, right? It was like the first question that I asked her and it's basically like implying like you can just Google it looks like Still it was so wait. Let me turn to find it now. Okay, right. No, but it's just so funny L mg TF y step on visit Google step to type your question it step 3 connect the pots. Oh my God, and then you can just click the button and then it opens give basic lmg T FY.com. I don't know. This isn't a bomb explain that That question when you ask a stupid question, but anyways, yeah, exactly. So pretty much like I don't know you're smart. You can think on your feet. You'll be fine. It's just like a stick to the script. Yeah. Yeah stick to the script. And by the way, we give this script to all of our clients. So when they get to the end of the pool if they're like really thinking about it and they say that I don't have enough money. Yeah, you know people that don't have enough money to join they need it more than Anyone because we're teaching them how to make more this is an investment, you know? Yeah, but it just it literally makes no sense. Yeah for them. Not to it makes no sense. I don't get it. Like I usually don't get it. But the thing is I do get it because even me who last just those week. I joined a program for like 8 K. Yeah, when he said the investment at the end, I was like, oh my God, I was like freaking out. I was like I was like, I need to go and check with someone. Yeah, literally I was like, oh my God, Lauren, you're being one of those annoying people who's making up bullshit excuses right now. Yeah now I did genuinely to go and check with someone. So I put a deposit down because I don't want to put the whole thing down. I just put a deposit of 1K down because I was serious, you know, it was I didn't even want to do that though because I like feel scary as like you're scared of the commitment, but it has to be done, you know, so when people are on the phone and when they're when they're scared to do that just say look, you know reassure them. You're in good hands with us and it's like wait. No, I do want to pay because I'm just thinking about me. I'm being like I'm thinking about my ego in the moment. Yeah, and that was when everything changed me only one because they I every time in the past that I've joined like a program or I've hired a consultant. I've paid personally myself here like I've gone and click the link and paid like actively yeah on the phone it was different and I've never had a buying experience in the phone for high ticket before and now I have you know, so now I know how it feels to be on the other line. Grip and so this is y then we started taking the payment on the phone by them breathing like our number out. Yeah, because it was effortless for me. Yeah, if you have sent me a link I probably would have got down. Yeah, so if you have to say you have a customer on the phone or prospects on the phone and they know they have a 6,000 pounds and they're just so I need to check. I need to check my bank account. I need to do this I need to do that. Do you do for your foot? Okay. The lines down the line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but we tell them to check that they you don't even let them know because they've already checked that finances beforehand. Yeah, it's one of the questions in the hole. Okay. Okay, we pray handle as much as possible. So that for you on the phone is simply just taking the payment and finding out what their real because it didn't only if they're a good fit because like again if they're not a good fit. We don't we don't want them in the program. Yeah, because we're not going to help be able to help them all that. Not going to be willing and expecting a while help at the very beginning of the cool. We say look there's three things that we want to get clear on firstly. Can we help you? Secondly, are you willing to take our home? Yeah, because if they're not willing to take our help and then yeah, so I think like do you do find out what they have already done? So, you know what steps have you already taken, too? So you only goes yeah, so you on my coaching what we do so as a business analyst because that is my basic Trader at work. We always our job is to look at processes and the Way businesses do things. Yeah. So I follow up so you have a number of different phones and but you know or a business does things in a certain way or person does things here in a certain way. They follow a particular process. They just do the way they do things you call it. The athlete is as hell. Do it right now and then we have the TV and which is what you know, just so impact school is the bit in between and you have the to beat the to be is your outcome. That is really that's the vision was where you want to get to you will have five high-paying clients in eight weeks back until you have the to be we've actually changed it to 10 the 10. Okay. So what's your books? No 10. Okay. So 10 high-paying clients and eight weeks that's with don't be deceived being and then everything in between. Between that is the like that's almost like the Consultants job that yeah, right. Okay, we're going to we're going to implement this system on going to do this. We're going to do that. That's the Gap. Yeah because I am basically a consultant we are basically a consulting company exactly. It's literally a earlier and so to understand, you know the to be where you want to get to you need to understand where you are now. Yeah, exactly and will the bridge over to you. I love it. Oh my God, this is so interesting. So this is why like is Have New Perspectives, you know, I mean, yeah, I feel that honestly. I feel that like it's just going to be pretty easy for you. I think the hardest thing for you is the objection handling. Yeah, and I think but I think that rule. I think of you know, that's something that I will get my head round. You understand people enough to be able to overcome the objections. Exactly. And like the thing is, you know, you know as well that when they do this program there and like great hands. So then after that Fifi and I talked through even more objection handling and we realize that it really does just calm down to confidence and also just knowing psychology really really well and knowing exactly what you're offering and being confident that you can deliver results. So we went through all of that. And then we just go onto another conversation about storytelling and I do actually want to do an entire episode all about storytelling. So I'm going to do that. So make sure that you have hit subscribe on the podcast you want to be able to essentially get the person on the other end of the phone to be able to visualize themselves in that clients story because when they can see themselves being able to like quit that job and no longer being around all those negative people they feel the emotion. Right, they feel the emotion. Yeah, I guess I like a so now that Jack has you know, this this new online business he's able to wake up every day nine o'clock in the morning. Yeah see able to go get his cardio and in the morning because he's on prep at the moment as well, you know, he's about to compete and then he just goes and trains are like three hangs around with his friends house. It did sign. Yes, it's me out. Like, you know, you just be aware was important to that person. Exactly and it just makes them feel like they're not alone. Exactly and they're not the first mover Becomes of the someone else has done it and what they'd seen it's a proven system exactly. So yeah, like it's just it's about those stories. Okay. A lot of it is about the stories like storytelling is so important and with that said that wraps up everything for today's episode of impact school. So hit subscribe and remember make sure to share on your story the thing which has been the most helpful to you. It will be really really cool to see you do that. I would love for you to do that. And if you want to get started new online coach.com. Yeah, it's been a great episode. I like doing the Sabbath day maybe in the future. I will share some more leaked meetings with my team members. So yeah, that's how we do things here. And if you want to do things like us then you know what to do new online coach.com, even if we are not brand-new we can still help you for sure because we do have another opportunity as well. So with that said New online coach.com if you're more advanced. Oh making over 10K per month ready to scale is Lauren Ting the.com for / incubator. See you in the next one. Goodbye.

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Welcome to AfterBuzz Real Housewives of New York City after show. I'm roast hollywoodland. Hey guys, and I am Chelsea Stark Jones. Hello everyone. I'm Ashley Daniels and it's at Miss Ashley Daniels on Instagram. Yes, Ashley. It's been a little bit under the weather. So she's going to be a little quiet tonight, but she's still going to be here totally rare occurrence. We have a continuation episode here Luann versus de Renda. They're about to meet up and you know, everyone's telling each other to calm down if the big build-up and nothing really happens Luann was acting like a virgin. She's like not tonight not tonight. Not tonight. We have a lot to talk about we have a fully loaded tweet section with some really funny tweets. Maybe one by me. You never know. We have some news for you, but tonight's gonna be a good show we have let's talk about yes. Yeah, what do you think about the just the top overall feeling of the episode, you know Luann did exactly what I do when I'm in a situation where I'm like with someone that I like had a beef with for a moment and that's just talk to someone else like totally avoid the other person pretend they don't exist in the language just staring. Yeah, and it's and you know, but like I understood what she was doing because like I do the exact same thing because you're so uncomfortable. It's not because you're angry at that person still juicy. You don't know how to act towards the problem. Stew and it's just like, you know, and I did feel bad because I really felt the render was like trying trying like I miss you like all that stuff and Luann was kind of like, yeah, you're not the one and yeah. Yeah, it was so awkward. It's just funny watching the two of them because they're both the most unwilling to take any responsibility for their actions. So it's the two of them just not accepting responsibility for anything back and forth It's unbelievable. But it's that's what makes them. So special I would love them. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That is not the night. We all thought it was gonna be but something will come out of it. I think but nothing happened tonight, but Ramona said, I'm sorry to Bethany it only took two episodes, but it was I'm sorry for the loss. It wasn't I'm sorry for throwing your dead fiance under the bus. Oh Ramona Bethenny to be fair. Didn't know that Ramona said that at this point, but also she shouldn't have mentioned it at sonja's party. Do you think she kept good? She should at some point. Tell Bethany which I don't think she does. So I think what we saw at the same time Bethenny start which was a camera. Yeah, but also remember Ramona was drunk. She doesn't remember she even said it and she watched it which is when she took responsibility last week after watching it sweetie. There you go. Everything. Yeah. Well she kept it quick which was smart. Like Bethenny said and it's smart for both of them. This party was insane. I think my favorite moment. We're just going to talk about it. It was a drive-by lesbian moment. Go Sonya. That was some good time. She got all up in there. I was really feeling it gave people ideas. I think there's a lot of people now that are very excited to know that if they walk up to Sonia and make out with our she will make out with them without knowing who they are. Exactly. Well ya know, I just I think that Sonia also it was just so bizarre that that happened when Sorry go. It was just bizarre. It was a very bizarre moment and the girl had a girlfriend on top of that is also very weird. And it was just it was she wanted more like didn't they like make out for a second and then like kind of look at each other and like go back at it? Yeah, it was series like, oh my God, let me go back in there. And I mean I loved it. I loved that. It was only like 20 seconds or whatever and then you just moved on and she had no explanation for it sighs. Do you think she would have done it if the cameras weren't rolling? Yeah. Because sonja's a sexual creature, but of course you took advantage of the cameras in the van, but at least she didn't stay around like a Clinger like someone that's invasive in that. I mean if you don't know someone and they come up to make out with you, it's a little scary when you think about it. Yeah, but it's a little scary still I feel like because the cameras were there she took she took this as an opportunity for it to be entertaining but ya don't ya the crazy and that's probably why the girl went in there to kiss their to about to say lead time and Sonja was sober though. I feel like I think she would have pulled back if she didn't want to kiss. Has heard about this and I thought was funny like she makes out with this girl just before she was talking about how Barbara dips in the lady pool probably set up to be honest. Sorry. Well, there was a bunch of people witnessing with phones, you know, who knows but what we do know is lens do in your community service Jesus Towers. Thanks for the Shady weight loss flashback Bravo. What was that? Oh my God. I mean I love lows. It's just The best. Oh, yes for me these kind of well, you have to understand there's been an evolution of Luann. Okay. This is why she's my favorite housewife. She was my favorite housewife because in the beginning it was just different. She the very first season. She was like the Handler and she was the voice of reason like when Ramona was being mean for Simon. Come into that all girls dinner. She was like, well Simon's here and we're going to make him feel welcomed right router, right and then but she was the voice of reason when it made sense for her book. Yeah, exactly. Don't you get that that's amazing as well. And then she then she there was this evolution of like I am a hierarchy and I you cannot introduce me or to drive around us as you can introduce me as a driver. So I thought it was like hilarious even those like some people viewed it as totally I mean I just said like how is she not humble? Yeah, like get off your high horse. She's been away so much you've been arrested and you've been to rehab twice like get off your high horse and humble yourself. Like that's just it that's I think what blows my mind about it. We're just like even when dorinda's like trying to be nice to her like she's like, she's just like I don't like I'm too good for you. Bethany was absolutely but think about it though. It's hard to get humble when you still are famous and you have cameras around you and you know, The cameras around you for being you and you know, you have a good point. It's hard to be humble when you're basically rewarded for bad behavior. She wants a print person. She went to president how she's a huge camera shot. She was off the show for a while. She was a what do they call them when you're like off the show, but you're still on but you're not she was a friend of the show couple years ago. Look what she brought herself from being confrontational and doing all the crazy stuff. She's done. That's why I love her like Chic C'est La Vie. They know my music like to the pirate to the cheetah. Like no way man is everything she always gives it to us just like this people out there that really love Ramona and we all know Ramona's batshit crazy. Holy but she gives it to us. Why don't you get a little scared sometimes that they're going to change themselves by watching that they're going to become so self-aware from seeing themselves that they're just going to change thinking. No. Okay. I still have that fear inside of me like please just don't take this too. Seriously Mount up. Please still have crazy Ramona eyes, please. Just something, you know, some housewives that are like that and that's why they're no longer on the show. But for the most part like when you're on the show, you understand you're on here for a reason. Yeah, you're giving us that but you know what though? Like I just want to dive in deeper like you I don't know which one of you guys said it, but you totally have a point like it really is not listening to us know. What I want to say is like I just don't think that you should take it that. Area of Ashley. Yeah, I don't think you should take life that seriously. I was just listening to Rupaul and he was saying like I figured it out at seven years old like that. I could do this and like that people would watch and like I figured out that like this is fun like it we should not be taking it. So seriously, look I can make money off of this to just by being myself and being fun. So I think that's what life is about not taking it. So seriously, like these women are on television exposing themselves for the good and the bad. It's just take it for fun. Like like like the Ramon of fans do because she does things that are absolutely crazy Luanne the fat joke obviously, like if we really want to get serious about it. It's totally inappropriate totally wrong. It's to a child like that's not community service that's messed up. So, you know to the people out there they're going to be like, I can't believe he didn't say anything like horrible about her. There's two sides to everything and yeah, like what she said totally horrible totally inappropriate. Let's move on Yeah, Tim, please. I'm still hates her and she's doing everything to tell that she's a disappointment. She's a riot and you know what that someone that you know watched herself and did the opposite she was like, oh I gotta keep doing that exact because they did not put me on The Cutting Board and that is some funny stuff and Dale has a lot of good points and I think that it's interesting. I know it's moving forward, but Sonja calls her out. I mean not to her face but in the confessional saying, you know, she's always And she lets men step all over her and treat her the way they made sense. Right? And so I think that it's there's a reason why I don't know what it is, but there is a reason that Dale is like that because she sees that her daughter is just willing to accept things that she doesn't necessarily deserve. Yeah, I mean, but I would be so mad at my mom if she wore my ex husbands wives clothing like I would literally be fair. So I think yeah and Mentor for the shop. There's no way she would have You know, like do you think that I am my joke is there's some truth to it what you think her mom? Like it's just like get it together. Like I'm going to piss you off and jab at you. Yeah, I do think she's like that idea. She's a southern mother. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah the mom just to like push their daughter like I mean, I've got a lot of moms do like even my mom like, yeah not to that extent. We really feel bad. But like your mom's want the best for you and they're going to point out something if they think you could do you can prove and it's You know area but her mom's a little bit too extreme about remember everything. I mean, they are so close and they're so protective of each other. There's no way that they do not discuss everything. They're saying beforehand. Yeah guarantee you she would never talk about there's no way that mother would say that to her maybe Blindside her in front of the cameras. I don't think I should think so. She's a Pat but she's a pageant mom. She wants Tinsley to look her best and to say the right things, but she does every behinds right but the right things for the entertainment of the show, but I think Tinsley still doesn't so they might have a little powwow like this. I was going to go down I think How I lost 100 whatever the case may be. They definitely I feel like the two of them talk ahead of time. Probably have a powwow afterwards. Like I can't believe he's saying that to you. There's a before-and-after Paulo. You know what I do know poor Bambi, she's just tiny get out of there and she's like get me out of this sweater old sonja's back back at the townhouse and I don't know is to render right like that was different energy like I mean so nice on paper magazine y'all like look, And fears Tom Ford and Bethany was a lying. She look good. She was getting kissed by random lesbians and then it was really different in the apartment. I felt like we were back to Old Sonya dirty curtains dirty house like yeah girl. Throw some money at the problem. Get out of here. Why are you even there? Yeah have somebody take care of it. You have all those gay boys running around those signs actually pay them, right and they will actually get the problem done. You won't have to leave your apartment right, but mrs. Morgan. Back when she's in there. It's becomes the Morgan wife the wife of a wealthy Morgan family, whatever the shoe with the thing on it, but I'm on the shoe. Yeah, but all that comes up when she's in there. And this is new and this new Young lifestyle that she's embracing. I love it. Sometimes it takes an environment change to make that happen for you and a permanent. Like I'm you really don't worry doctor go back to that town house. It's not good for her greed. I see. You guys in the live chat? Hi, Charlie and charge. I'm glad you guys are there. Hi Matthew Kennedy guys. Thank you guys for joining us via live chat. I always loved interacting with you guys and make sure to subscribe to two or more of our channels and give us a five star rating on iTunes and make sure to comment that you subscribed and we'll check you out on our show. Thank you for making AfterBuzz the ESP n of T v-- talk obviously cuz run that past Ramona doesn't know which way to swipe left right up down who has time just Dive In Literally just don't go on a date with the freakin psycho. Oh my God. Oh my God. I would love to go on a date with Ramona. Like I think like I don't, you know dip my, you know tone the lady pond but I would she seems like a really fun day what she gets drunk and where do ya like I would like and I feel like that guy really took, you know his opportunity for granted. Like I like I would trade places with him any day. But yeah, he was a total bust. I was not I was and but like did it hurt. Matchmaker kind of fail her totally she told she said everything that she didn't want in a man and that was the guy he was never been married. He works to wait. He likes to be isolated. He's not very social and like I was just like what you heard from a biker the casting did a great job. That's for sure. Oh my god, let's take everything Ramona wants and get these pieces of that before the show. And then the editor was like a perfect mirror just really quick about tensley Charlie in charge says in the chat tens. It seems like she's copying an old Sex in the City episode just a storyline trying to have dropped trying on wedding dresses. I mean remember that seems such a good point. Yeah, it was last season when she moved into the hotel and she put her clothes in the in the oven. So whatever you're not Carrie Bradshaw and you know what Carrie Bradshaw I'm a huge sex in this time. I like die hard and I can just tell you right now like Sex in the City does not work right now and this time it does not work and it wouldn't work. So this reboot that they're doing girl. I'll leave it alone. Like I don't know why y'all are even doing the past while it's still good social justice Warriors ruin it. I must have seen the city but you know, it really wasn't like if we really dissect it. It's just not for our time. So she should aim to be something better. Right but that is obviously something she's going to use as inspiration because can you imagine being getting cast on the Real Housewives? What's the first thing you can do? I'm going to certainly binge watch Sex in the City of Tinsley Mortimer. I'm not I know I am I'm gonna look up Erika Jane's assistance and their fight and hits but you're also a millennial adjacent. I think she just she's she's 40 early forties. Okay, so thankfully not Millennia. Okay. No, but I think it's 39 is the end of it. Yeah. It's like by one one year so she's so when does it start like I t92? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Grew up in the best ERA the 90s the best music the best film whenever a man. All right, let's move on. Yeah, Ramona literally had a list and like Ashley great set. Great, right actually Grassley Grace Daniels. Keven undergaro calls me. So you can absolutely call me Ashley Grace Daniels hilarious, you know, she literally had a list and he didn't meet any expectations, but we know it did come out the GI is it he was like don't judge me. I'll kill you amazing time. Of the laughs like it just did not go. Well, you know what? I love a guy with bald hair like grab bald hair bald head. You grab onto the bolt head and you just write it till the end of the sunset, but he has creepy he does speak two languages. He speaks French and German in English. So three languages French German and answers pretentious to me. Yeah these pretty interesting though because he seemed like so backward and everything, but then so far when it comes to being educated. Yeah. Yeah, he was an oxymoron. Totally. He seemed like a city person the music I want to be isolated. I'm like why is he can kill us in the middle of knowing absolutely nothing. Yeah. I was almost married eight times. What the heck does that mean? It was almost married, but he's never been engaged is what he said what it's all in his head. He's a Playboy but he absolutely is living a dream that never existed. He probably thinks in his head that these girls all eight of them. Wanted to marry him. Yeah truly if you don't learn engage, how can you really assess that CC says Millennials are born 1989. So I guess I are we amillennial we are all Millennial. Okay. Well for sure whatever tells us that Jones is more like 2012. All right, guys, well Luann and Orinda. I mean this is what we're coming like back to we coming back to this little dinner, which I thought was going to take us to the very end of the episode but it didn't let down I so weird. The denier was in full effect. I love that. We have an apologizer and we have a denier now, you know, she can't say I'm wrong but she can't elude to the ending of friendships. What the hell like, why do you keep saying we don't need to be friends right now and then It's okay. There's always give me middle of end. Like what are they talking about ways to bring out drain has to bring out something like one of her quotes like, you know, like money talks with Whispers any of her she's been taught which there are actually really great. But whatever she'd said about this one. I forget what she had said it was some about we can wish he's on each other but not be friends or something. Like they know sounds for the stage to Bethenny's like, can you just can you just agree that heck of a Giovanni? She's like, well, she can't know I should kiss her on the lips and hug. Literally, I think and I think we see it at the end when she's with Barbara, but I really think that she's really hurting. Yeah, she's too afraid to put herself out there fully. So that's why she says, you know, maybe we won't be friends like like she's half and half out because she's being completely vulnerable that you know Chelsea that is totally and I'm really smart and that's probably why would the drinking she doesn't it stems from? Well, that's what she becomes vulnerable and just as bad that she's and she has to admit. She's yeah. Or a drunk or a label anybody that's why she slams the door. She goes from 0 to 60. Yeah. She's very early hardly. I've been around an alcoholic many times. I can tell you that's exactly what happened 0 to 60 and then they shut down everything and they do not want to speak in the get angry. So that's sadly. I'm not saying cheers for sure. We don't I don't think she is because she does yoga in like she does. Yeah because you know that totally counts out, you know, you guys honestly like this she goes through months of like not drinking. She goes to the trainer. So like I honestly don't fear it's feel like it's fair to judge her on a couple episodes that we've seen when she drinks she has fun it is yeah. It is like very convenient Bravo can pull up a little Montage of your drinking escapades. Yeah, but like honestly you guys like it's a TV show so I don't want to take it too serious and I don't want to label anybody. That's just what I honestly loved orenda because when she's good, she's so good. Yeah, but you know, and I even if she doesn't think What she was doing was heckling Luann with the whole Giovani nonsense, like the least. She could have said was I'm sorry that you felt that way like no because that's the worst kind of apology hate that I hate an apology. I'm sorry, you feel that way you felt that way not I'm sorry that I did that and that's why you feel that way. It's not very out of the equation is making about you. Yes. It's an apology. Okay. I was you know, what you could have said because I was putting myself into rinda shoes. And when we saw that little playback and just like job I was thinking you know what made me she wasn't heckley. Maybe she was just exaggerating. Is that a word? You know, right it when you graduate no not exaggerate when you exaggerate like you something it's a word. So I think she was like exaggerating the Giovanni like Afton alike. Grady exacerbating exacerbating that's a good masterbate masterbating exacerbate. I just feel like she okay because they said masturbate Giovanni like she little advantage over me first. And then she was like, yeah, I drove all day. So I feel like maybe she was just like well now we'll never figure it out. Just be like I yelled Giovanni. I don't know if it was heckling yelling excitement, but you don't like it. Sorry, exactly. Well, all I know is that there is an MVP of the episode where we going to Seychelles. I was going to say I what I got the most out of that was I need to move into a round house. Wait, what was the thing on that what these are the functions way right way but like the run the gave a whole backstory about how round houses back in the Witchcraft days like cut the devil's out. Yeah, but she's not There's a Salem. Yeah. Oh no, I grew up Two Towns over from sound there's all these crazy myths about I've been to the ceiling Museum, isn't it? Crazy? It's so good Halloween times the best. Oh my god. I've always wanted to go at Halloween writable. But I've never gone during Halloween. I've always should go and you know God I want I've never been like I want to hang out at night. They're called. Yeah, you will have five always gone during the day. You will have fun. 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So I want to do something that I haven't done in a really long time, or maybe it's because I haven't been here but I want to do an MVP MVP means Most Valuable Player of the episode. I think I have one and I hope you guys agree with me Laurie the real estate agent. Oh my God. He wins MVP for me like what a what a what a sight. She's a kitty. What was she called? Synaptic zaft the zaftig waste I got that but you know, I love you - I love it. Okay, she's cute. I adore her. Yeah. She's like the Jewish Mom that's going to like jab at you. Yeah. I love it. She reminds me a little bit of Jill zarin's mom sure - Sister she reminds me of the lady in Something About Mary the old lady overt anyone physically. I lot of town physically. She's very good for New York. She's getting more tan for West Palm Beach. She's ready for Cuba at this point. Yeah, like she is very very very very ready. Charlie in charge says don't rewrite history. Let's not rewrite it during de a cold. Oh my God, so the render, you know speaking of she wants a fresh start and good because like maybe we'll like change this state that she's in. You know, she doesn't want to move out of state, but maybe she should move out of the state. She's in denial. Yeah and move into a new beautiful townhouse in like maybe it'll exacerbate her new field exists X masturbate. Thanks Master me and come lad it's so nice. Word for Cum Laude. Oh, that's right. Well you want come on we can all mess up on the vocabulary because it's the franchise of New York and Ramona's his guacamole. Yes, and also in Boston we call the Lord the lon so calm laud you could be just yeah come to us and it lives an internal if you're listening to us on iTunes. I apologize. That's how I took it your light just know that we're having a good time in here. We are. Enjoying what we love the show. We're true. DieHard fans of Ashley's been here for such a long time around my god. I've been doing New York for a long time last year. I worked on Maria show. So I took a Hiatus but the year before I believe was last time I was doing New York. No, I didn't Eric that year. Okay, so it's been two years to yeah. Well last season was like I'm almost possibly two years ago. I know yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well That was that it's absolutely is in the middle of her mom and Sonia poor thing taking Jabs left and right. Uh, oh my God, I was dying sinks six months is enough to know. Oh honey. I knew within like three days. Yeah, same old tricks. According to Sonja Ashley said it earlier. I when Sonia went into that confessional she kind of like hit it on the money. Like I know we're all kind of like making fun of Tinsley cuz she's like he's Easy breezy beautiful Covergirl. I don't know her life is just perfect whatever. But yeah, and that's kind of annoying but Sonia like really did hit it on the money like if we wanted to strip away all that in like talk about the facts like yeah, she does get into these relationships where she's codependent. The guy strings are a long as she doesn't get anything out of it and it just ends up being empty promises. Like it's true lock it down girl. I trap him use your hearts right? I know she's not very affable. So that's why you know, she's like, how can I be next to these hoes but you know and I said this before we were on air like this is the first time I'm starting to feel sorry for tensley like because before I really could care less about her. I didn't really feel like she was a good fit for the show. She's kind of boring. But like this is now I feel bad for her because she is in a situation where I could she's desperately wants to be married last season. She was very thirsty about it. And now I don't know if maybe she saw herself and trying to peel it back or whatever. Yeah, but like she is trying to convince herself that she's happy in this relationship when like we all know she's not I was just going to say though. Is she really in love? As God? Does she really want to marry him? We haven't seen enough of their chemistry on the show for us to be like they are so in love they should get married like I don't see it. I think she's in love with him. I think he likes her like I mean we've seen that like we've seen her be overly excited to see him all this stuff and he just seems like, you know, I'm busy here actual sometimes the like someone that is not really that into it makes you like that. And more guests like psychologically old like you can't be doing that anymore. Like we can't be playing those games God. I know it's too much. It's sad but it's yeah. Well, she's flipping the script and I think it's because she's not as happy as she like leads on the big guys are crazy, right? All right. Well durendal yells at Barbara. I mean a Barber's is trying to fit in and I'm not sure about her fashion. I'm not sure better fashion. I don't like the dress. I don't really like the dress only because if it was just like the dress I would be fine. But then you flash to the confessional and she's wearing like a bone. Yeah, but look at our hot the way she decorated her home. I mean she doesn't she's known more for the construction side of things not yeah. Yeah. I'm not a fan of I'm sure there are people that think she has great taste personally my green shirt and I didn't like how she doing shirt with the dinner. She's being her. I'm not a Appropriate feel like they're pushing her too much. Yeah, the green shirt with the denim. It just reminded me of a gay guy that got off the bus on the show next on MTV like 10 years ago. Oh my God. Yes. I want to be on so bad now. Can you imagine if you would have done it you would have felt so horrible. So is a thing now, I think someone needs to like exactly. Oh my God. You just gave me my dear Ashley. I'll give you a little favorite person. Okay. Thank you. I'll take it I'll take anything to I'll tell you though. I really do believe this was my favorite part of the episode. This was seeing two rinda go from 0 to 60, but there's their entertainment it is the reason I was still doing so incredible. It's like the pious right? What is the second highest rated show on Bravo totally because of these moments these authentic moments. She did you see her rip. She basically ripped her my God. I'm almost positive. She goes to the door. Yeah, you can see like pulling something. Yeah. She's not happy because production will lie. You've without those mics like really Barbara when she's like do you want me to go and she's like, yeah leave I did not see that coming. That was so like to talk about she like that was bad. Well, that's like and I mean she's hurt like you said. Yep to Barbara's defense. She really didn't say anything to push at Durango. She was just are you sure you don't support women? Ramona is support women. After the lunch or whatever but like she was like we see she's genuinely hurting over this friendship. And I think I think that's where the 0 to 100 came from was that she was just like I like you're drinking the Kool-Aid you're drinking the Kool-Aid Sherry you're taking the problem. You want to be a housewife. Oh God, it was a lot but you know, I really thank you sir. But I was a little bit confusing. Maybe you guys could help me on this this whole like Sonja to rinda lunch showing the lawsuit papers, okay. Children, I think suing the weight and that's a really good. I think she's like, oh, I think it's kind of like a technicality. She's like, I don't pull up papers, but you pulled out your phone. I think she was just saying durani should have shut down that convo as soon as you heard it like, I think she was trying to say you shouldn't have even gave it any life. I just I hate sometimes when they tape things but they don't show it to the full extent and said they show like flashbacks and like that's what they did. Like, I wish we would have seen that lunch and it would have put it in more perspective. Yeah. Like what they were talking about, but I understand time but like still I was a little bit lost. Yeah, totally. Well, that's really where it ends and we're going to see a lot more next episode. Obviously somebody episode 4, we have a long road to go but it's going to be a good one. Like New York is really good this season. Let's get in some some tweets tweet it up. Tweet tweet tweet. Oh, there it is. All right. Well, let's pull up our tweets. The first one is by Jill Nicole. So Jill Nicole's she says Ramona on a date with this skinny version of John Malkovich is to cringey for me. Did he look like John Malkovich? I haven't seen that movie. So let's just say yes. Yeah. Well 47 like so you know, I was like, oh, yeah, this is good. Yeah, and then another 25 me I couldn't oh my God, Lori the real estate agent. Follow me in Hollywood Leanne. And that's a if you're if you're just listening to us, I put a picture up of the lady from Something About Mary overly tan Lady. It's kind of funny exactly. So make sure that if you want your tweets featured on our tweet segment to tweet me at Hollywood Leanne with the hashtag AfterBuzz TV, and I will Know that you want my tweet or your Tweet featured on my show and you want his tweet for sure. Yeah. Well, let's do some quick little predictions. Actually. We have one piece of yelling. What's your prediction so predictions? Not because we do have one piece of news for you guys, but we're going to do some quick predictions about next episode. Yeah. Okay, I'll go first cause I'm talking I think that Luann and Dorinda are definitely gonna pretend that everything is fine. They said and just move on from these things and tensley's going to get worn down over this relationship thing. Like I and I think she's going to physically A show that she can't handle this group. Yeah. So we're going to I think we're gonna get a crying Tinsley. Yeah, I think we're gonna get Tinsley talking to Scott on camera about the future sighs. Mm Scott dice make that yeah a lot of what her mother said, he's gonna get scared and run. Yep. I'm with these two. I totally agree with them and I'm just going to add the I'm in trouble again his I predict that's gonna happen. I do think I'm right about that. She's just not happy. Yeah, she's not let's pull up our quick little news we have for you guys. So yeah the custody battle between Bethany and her ex Jason Hoppy is still going on. They were in court on Monday and the therapist took the stand as well and Bethany got cross-examined by her Jason Hoppy's attorney. Apparently there was a time where he was sleeping and she threw Threw water on him. She was just hot water. Yeah, and I guess she said I don't know if he was sleeping, but I did throw water on him. So I mean, it's just it just goes until Chad at this point just goes to show how ugly their marriage and divorce and everything that's going to be even because I cracked to she did say yeah, so I mean, can you blame her? That's your version of cracked then you doing okay, you put a little water on some you know, what I saw reruns of New York today season 3 specifically Jason and he fooled us all of us. I mean after all Prince Charming, I thought he was here fairly she was pregnant and I thought he was perfect when her father died. He was so close. So there for her. I thought he was humble to you. What the heck? I'm still honestly I thought it was supportive cute handsome the whole package. Oh, he fooled us all what a crazy psycho. I can't stand that guy. Yeah. Well, that is our show. So yeah, let's keep it positive. As always we have such a good time, make sure to follow me on all the things that Hollywood Li and I have some things Brewing up and AfterBuzz TV, as you know, I'm like on this journey for a Bravo show. So make sure to tune in follow me on Instagram. I post everything on there, and I love you guys, and I can't do this without my girls. Yes. Hey guys aren't LC circuit Jodi catch everything. I'm doing at Chelsea stock Jones.com, but also go follow me on Instagram @ C underscore S Jones and you can find me on Instagram at Miss Ashley d girls and Twitter at Ashley Daniel died after buzzers

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If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for dead and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. Okay. Thanks for joining us. This is joining us this week. We actually haven't seen each other in a little while because it was here in New York. It was spring break for our kids no school and we both went our separate ways as we prefer to do and we do literally every day, right? Let's see each other as little as possible. Yeah. I mean, I'm outside your apartment a lot, but you don't think that's true. I don't I don't so this week. We I drove down to South Carolina to visit family when I arrived today Nate said Your vacation and I said what vacation was not a vacation as my view as my listeners my listeners as my friends. I'm going to call him on Instagram. You can still see say every single time. I post something about a meme or a blog post about traveling with kids or taking a vacation with kids. At least three people in the comments. Say when you go with kids is not vacation. It's a trip which is true, but you can stop you can stop saying it guys. Okay, we know we get it but it is one element drawn the Shit together. You're just dealing with your kids bullshit in a different place. It doesn't matter if it's a beach resort Disney World instead of doing it in your living room. You're doing it in a beach if you have the right people or at a hotel room. You're not relaxing although Mama buried and I got a little while we'll get another let it go into that a little later. Okay. Good. You guys look cited the burnt toast again. We slept in separate beds. It was fucking amazing chefs kiss amazing you love what I do the chef's kiss. Did Mark now it's the worst trademark. I agree actually hate it and I hate that I just did it. Well you and I have an agreement finally. So you flew. Yeah, I flew right? So we're going to get into we're going to get into flying first, which really and I don't want to step on whatever ridiculous hyperbole. Pete is about to use calling flying with kids the final frontier or the ultimate battle test or whatever and writing all of these things flying with kids sucks the Patient of flying is often worse than actually flying. Although we're going to find out for Pete took three kids. Yeah down to Florida. Yep, not a long look three-hour flight. Well, let's back up. Okay. Jeez. Here we go guys. First of all, let's go to Florida, right? Okay good. We live in New York. That's right. Now know that sounds like I'm just saying like that's the idea that comes into your head when you're thinking about spring break you like. Let's go somewhere warm. Yes, Florida. The next thing you think about is well, I hate having money as you know, yes. And the one thing I love to do is to give all my money to the airline. Yes. Well, we don't we all that's my favorite thing to do they do so much for us. And honestly, I I check all my bags because I need to make sure that I'm at maximum expenditure right you so you're saying you pay to check each eye. In fact in my I choose my Airline. I'm like 40 bucks to Le. Yep. I need my FIT first bag to be at least 50. That's what second Good Will Hunting when his dad lays out a belt or rent and says choose. Choose and yeah Ranch why because I can't yeah exactly. So yeah. So yeah, so that's the first wonderful wonderful part about traveling so you haven't even it's months in advance. Yeah and already you're stressed and angry been kicked in the nuts financially by this. It's true wonderful burden that you've had to now figure out financially for the rest of the Your had a payback. Yeah, how you balance that out? Yeah. So there's that then you have to get to the airport 6 or 7 hours early at least, you know, you're pretty you're pretty much there two days in advance a waiting waiting the five or six delays. Yeah, you know, it's so funny. I'll take my friend who travels a lot was saying we'll just show up like 45-minute. I mean, you know, he's like, yeah travels all the time. I don't think I have five of us. Yeah, we barely skate by by the skin of our teeth that two hours ahead of time. Yeah at an airplane and I can't get anywhere. No, I mean it's getting out of the house just to go to the neighbors. Yes in ordeal. So anyway, so you spent all of this cash. Well, let's and then of course you there's that wonderful pivot point at which you have a baby and you're like, well, my baby could probably fit on my lap. Yeah. So there's that wonderful hazy period I really like a period where you're like, you know what it hasn't changed some money. It's not too bad. The little ones there's until they're too oh and tell her to And then you're like you listen now, you cost an extra 500. There's not even like child priced seats. It's just full on full price. Yes. In fact, they probably should charged double for child because you know people there are some people that I think something came out of here years ago where they wanted to charge more for kids or something and all the child free people as they call themselves rejoiced because there's nothing there's nothing somebody who doesn't have a kid with them. Not even somebody who doesn't have kids because I have kids like but even I hate it, When I see a family get on that plane. Yeah, but as we're going to get into it is always worse for that family starting with the packing and the getting the airport and going through security with all that around go not we're not quite there yet. So where we are is we are at the pre were about to go to the airport. No, so we're happy that you're part when the packing phase now what's happening in the packing phase? Well, there's a wonderful Dynamic that's happening in the home some so this whole thing of us for road trips as well the packet Porsche, right, which is This unbelievably high elevation. So things might be tense, but when you go back, but go to pack your at sort of Def con. I can remember with five or one ever met whatever one is worse, but he left here Defcon 1 and you are at the highest Terror alert. Yeah, you're at yeah orange and I think it's red. I think we're always on orange base. Yeah, we are but wmm but basically, you know, the there's why don't you help me pack? Oh, let me put this shirt up. Why are you Packing that shirt. So are you don't want to see this interaction between you and your kids my wife? Okay, so I have a question about the pack. I guess your wife is orchestrating all the pack right my wife packing everything and then she tells me to pack and I say takes me five minutes to pack. I throw my shit at the end and I get there and we get there and she has a pack my goddamn toothbrush. There's nothing better than getting mad at your wife for not packing your shit when she was begging you to pack the whole week and I gotta take me two seconds. I had never really forget like five things and then we have an argument about why you're the Packer. Oh, Us to pack all that the time bomb argue. Oh, yeah. Well that kind of that lovely our explodes post. The thing is it happened like that incident not even the arguing that incident happened so much that I can bring it as a joke and it doesn't matter like to her. It's still it is deadly serious. Yeah, I'll make it a joke and I won't even care and I'll be talking about the fact I know it was my fault that impact my fucking t-shirt that I wanted to bring or whatever or my glasses. I'm sorry making a joke about how I'm an idiot, but now all she hears is I fight $5.00. Why did you do? Exactly? It's fun. It's fun. I get held in this in this sort of zone of you're not helping enough and the second I touch something you're doing it wrong. Don't touch that you're going to mess it up. That's called marriage. Yeah, so that's it. So there's that wonderful zone, of course. So that lasts what let's say, let's call it days 48 Hours. Yeah of this wonderful sort of angst-ridden the pre-travel pre-travel cuz exactly pre-travel Aang stress stress and it could be it could be And it often is like going somewhere amazing. Like we went on a cruise or went to Europe in like my wife's favorite thing in the world to do is travel or same as when she's like organizing anything like a party. She's having she can't wait for it. But the stress level of the prep for her is like The Guns of the Navarone and everybody needs to know it. Everything was to be the husband certainly needs to know you felt by everybody. So then so there's that. Okay. So now mantini 80 says that they're just the amount you have to pack. Oh my God this The amount that we packed for Florida for 10 days is basically the same amount that we pack for a weekend. Yeah, it's going to say yeah, it was like, okay, did you start to recycle? But yeah, just the bare minimum you have to bring for it for even a two to three day trip is so much stuff, especially if you have a toddler or a baby. Yes, then you're talking diapers and this and the bottom talking a stroller at a certain level. You're talking a stroller and a car seat and you're bringing those on a plane. You are a small like Mobile infantry unit. Yeah, I'll seriously year and stuff. So liquids getting to the airport and having security and is already being nervous about like missing the flight, right and then you're going through and you have kids shiny have so much that they're bringing out a fold up the stroller you have to check stuff. So somebody here said somebody here said that they they made the mistake when they're going to Disney World with their kids where they check they accidentally checked everything in Including their sons blank J Van Dien RN I may be registered nurse checked our sons blanket instead of carrying it on and he just cried the entire flight. Yep. There's nothing there's no coming back. There's no coming back from Once, you know, you have to check something in like you said you just start to throw everything out and you bring the bare minimum and then something goes wrong with your kid throws up on you. I had a bunch of people talk about how their kid threw up and you bring a change of clothes for the kid out of the kid pukes on your pants. Yeah, so somebody said here that the kid peed in their pants. They didn't have a change. Just smelled like rotten milk. Yeah, like the entire flight. What can you do because you can't just bring it changes of clothes and every bag you have. Yeah what they do sell you you put your feelings in a little box and then you go inside that black box and it was Shader land whose kid threw up on her and said, she's get constantly compete were constantly complaining about the smell. Yeah. I bet they were so now you're at the airport. You're past The Angst age you're there now it's game time. So you've got the bags now you obviously have talked about how many bags Eggs, you've definitely got into an argument about how many don't like to bring definitely how many shoes she bring? Yeah, how about that and of course but she has a right to feel like she could bring as many shoes and she wants or is her choice. Of course. It doesn't matter that the bag is going to be over the limit. It doesn't mind or that we should bring another bag because it just we should bring it. Okay, and so your T-shirt weighs a lot too. So well, that's true. Yeah. It's at least three pairs of shoes. So your then you're then the best is this is the load Is the load out to either the like from the the taxicab to check out place all of us you me. These are your like the dad strapped down to the hilt the kids. Let's say your kids are like 11. Hey, can you grab that bag now not in my son can't grab anything just to walk from the car to our front door and the problem that I'm campaigning against it's illegal to murder your kids in the air. Are you sure I've only in the airport or like outside and II? I've been advocating for full murder. Yeah happen anywhere in the airport at all. Tiny parents should have the right to murder their child if they give attitude while the dad is heavily Laden with bags and they're not guarantee. They're not carrying anything. I'm not going to carry that hat. Oh my God now they can't keep their hands their hands hurt. So your water will carry their fucking tablets things are cutting into your hands. You're waddling up to the check-in place your you check in. Okay now goes Did we forget the tickets or do you have all the tickets? What about that ticket? I don't know about that. Yeah Panic you're just a lot of different moments of panic panic checking your bags security line. Hmm the worst neck. So so people don't like the idea of putting leashes on children. And neither. Do I there's a Simpsons episode where the guy Danny DeVito homers half-brother makes a baby translator machine and one point they're like in an airport or something and you see a little kid and his parents have a leash on him and the kid cries. And then the translator says this leash is demeaning to us both. I've always loved that after being at the airport in the security line with you. My toddler I wanted several leashes. It's a hold that kid. He's ducking under rope running through. It doesn't matter. How about plank like taking all my God will harvest and have you seen the film Love Actually. I know Nate has it's one of Nate's favorite. Okay talks about it all the time at the end. The little kid runs through this is post 9/11. He's running through the airport and say the funny. Of a toddler that dude would be gunned down right the minute. He breached security by his death. Yeah. It was Liam Neeson in the film if the legislation that I'm trying to figure he's half. Well within his rights and there he goes. Well that's passenger. Give me my refund Florida. They probably do have that Florida man, right? Exactly. So I'm just saying I'm all for leashes to keep like a hyper antic out-of-control toddler or five year old from right starting an international incident. So now you have so you're about out to go through check in. All right be the excuse me that chicken, but the security you have with you an Untold number of just bags. Yes. So, of course you on that you've brought back there about kids draw level as many kids as you have you've basically all get carry on carry on bag which the dad and the mom will carry the baby or whatever or either vice versa which ever is least annoying to the mom the dad obviously you need Keep them on play. Yeah, of course. She's done a lot get us to this point. She's packed and very organized. Yes, and also at the same time very very disappointed in me. And I mean that's always for me. I'm a disappointment. There's no one who can be more disappointing to anybody in my family. It was obviously. Yeah. So anyway, so we're there now you have to go through shoes off like bags not everywhere nowadays some days. We don't have to take issue. Their shoes on as my eight-year-old was doing just kind of exploring just right right at the right attorney Gates cute a big deal again, which point I go back to my earlier statement of this legislation just like I just need some I need a way to be able to reach out and just shoot and her be able to grab her and you know, even though you've said hey, can you please wait here? It'll be five seconds like this. Don't just where we should do that and then no and then securities. Miss you can't go there and then you know is that really happened where security is had to park at your children? Yeah, the TSA sure they're like no. No, no, don't let her do that. Don't let her do that. Don't let it is even worse. I'm not giving you a disappointment to him. Can you gun this guys fucking parrot thing? I know don't let her do that Einstein. How about this? So then we're at the airport, and I swear. I don't feel their Waters, but they need water. Please please please don't fill the water. They can have water. They don't need water all the time. They can be thirsty if they're thirsty for an hour good that maybe maybe they'll appreciate water more now that so then it's when you get to like three days that lack of water becomes promise to the airport, right then all of their water bottles were full and it was for some reason they didn't have without Mia you know it to do throw them all out. Guess who had to drink all your water. That is weird. I'm telling you they're like, they're like there was a It wasn't at the New York. I can see just chugged there. Everyone's chugging water. There's five people in the airport chugging water like just holding up the TSA already know the answer to this question. But are you a fan of water you big water Drinker? I don't mind. I like Seltzer. I can't stand. Oh my God. I was even worse than another answer. I was in high speed water is the worst Seltzer gives it a little bit. I figure you water is the worst every once in a while water is fucking better than anything else is very rarely. But it's what's funny about what you're talking about right now is almost everything. You've said just like those people that say it's not a vacation as a trip or just your being your kids being pains in the asses in different scenery. All of this shit is just the way kids are at all times no matter where you are, but an air and an airport it is so heightened because you're you are tense. There's so much to keep track of there's security guards around you're trying not to be late for a really expensive thing that you paid for you. You have obviously lost the tickets 8 time before you've even be a security or thought you and yeah, very coarse and then and then your song as you have all three kids though. Although maybe losing one make me and of course, you know, the different the different age is really plays a big factor. So going traveling with eleven year old is actually pretty straightforward compared to traveling with like a three and under oh, yeah, and that three and under kind of I mean it if you have like a six month old. That's probably pretty straightforward. It's pretty easy. But once they start but here's the flip side to that. Right? So look you have a six month old and you baby is a baby baby's gonna baby write it if the kids sleep, you lucky if the kid cries that's like your catchphrase babies babies gonna babysit. Yeah. So the problem is that you would hope that people would understand that you're on a plane guess what parents get the fucking travel with their children, but children can travel places whether to see Grandma or Disney World it just go with their parents somewhere, you know, One gets so mad when the kid comes on, obviously, there's inconveniences to it. But you gotta if it's a baby you can't be too mad at a baby for crying right? I can toddler you can start getting mad like a five-year-old then you're like, what are these parents doing an eleven-year-old? You yourself are going to be so angry at your 11 year old if they can't behave but we're the standards change. Yeah, but the 11-year old is fine is fine. Yes is we're past that point. I'm just saying the more agency the kid has the more responsibility of a and you have Where are other parents other passengers are going to be judging you in angry at you the whole time anyway, but sometimes that's that's understandable. But really the real sweet spot for that danger zone that horrible. Horrible nightmares own is 20 to 18 to 24 months or you've sorry even 36 36 months. Just that's where you're in trouble son. We get toddler Antics and Tantrums and can't speak also baby crying. And the same time yeah, just making sounds they don't know what's happening. If they're when they're little nurse pop. They don't know you got to give him a bottle that gotta give him a bottle to suck on. Yeah, or you explain to the event that you're really clearly what's going to happen to change in air pressure. By the way. What I found is if you mansplain it to the babies, well, I can't help but Base by in that's all I did what I'm good at it love it. Yeah, so like, okay, so I got a couple user commented we talked about getting through security we talked about the lap seat, right? So Robotic motion was on a flight. Apparently where the baby or the kid was young enough to sit on his lap the entire time where the plus there is you didn't have to pay for the tickets. The negative is your thighs are going numb tongue groaning. Yeah, and while the child nap the whole time she then peed through her diaper all over parabolic motion and at the end he just said still good but she nap the whole time like exalt the only discomfort that was caused was his discomforts and just which is best case scenario. And again this goes back. Back to anyone and this is really key the parents bringing that kid on feel so much worse than any parent. So there's a story a friend of mine was we were on a group text and this guy is a who was not married and didn't have a kid at the time text a bunch of us who did and said, oh great just got on my flight to floor. It was like three hours like some lame amount of easy flight and there's a kid three rows away. Great. Great. Yes, look at me. I saw I wrote back I go. Here's what you do put your headphones on close your eyes turn up the volume and don't sit back at any class and just be so happy that that kids not yours next to you that guy got absolutely destroyed. He's still in intensive. Is he from that from that particular next to the kids that you're allowed to shoot in airports? Yeah. So yeah, it's funny. So a bunch of people said the same thing with Katie fairy 1279 said that she was flying from Madrid to jail. FK her toddler cried the whole flight and and the just the stress of knowing that you that everyone hates you and the dirty looks you're getting she said it made her cry made the woman the mom herself cried Heather Rush known as Rush Heather. Apparently, this is the other passengers are have been so rude just because she's with kids which again you walk in you get the dirty looks I was on a flight from from Spain to New York and I knew like I have my toddler with me and I'm like Ever has the three row seat, right? This guy comes down. I'm like, I'm already prepared. I'm like, look, I'm like what seat do you want? I'm like do you want to be on the end that and that way like you're in the aisle, but we'll have to go by you to like do shit, or do you want to be on the inside? So you have a little bit I can sit in the middle and I've distance I'm doing all this stuff guy barely speaks. It's giving me and my kid dirty looks the entire time. Like I'm trying to accommodate him, even though we pay the same amount for our tickets broheim. Yeah, you know going to be a jerk about it exactly Brian Gill 21 flew to LA with a two-and-a-half-year-old. Old and some a-hole yelled at him yelled at them because the baby cried a few times at the top of the crowd a few times. This is what I like. I'm you're always so nervous that your kid is going to ruin the flight for somebody else and that you're going to get judge for exact so stress and the problem is is that you don't know what's going on one. Apparently when I was a baby when I my parents were fluid you remember? Yeah. Yeah, they're coming straight at my ear my ear drum burst, huh? So, you know, you have a kid that whose ear drum burst on the airplane. That's right sit there and take it like a man. And well, it's I did like it what I do now, which is I cry. Yeah, I didn't cry just uncontrollably and everyone hated you and everyone. Yes continue to hate me, but I think that's really the issue is that you know, these people are feeling so stressed out about but on both sides so that these the people who and this is really you can tell the people that have had kids or have gone through and have since there's there are some empathetic people out there who like, oh, it's okay or they'll play with the kid or whatever. Yeah, you need some so lucky if some of you have like a cute little like seen on the plane where the kids yeah and of making eyes with all the other passengers and or sometimes you get lucky they'll be like a 10 year old girl who wants to like or like a 13 year old girl who wants to like borderline babysit your two-year-old or whatever that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's great. That's nice. But like your kids can even like internalized your stress and they know when you're stressed and they reflect that sometimes so there was a trend going around a few years ago where a couple of parents were going onto planes before hand and putting little goodie. Everybody seats basically saying like, oh, it's my three-year-old twins first time flying, you know cut us some slack. Here's some candy and like a drink ticket and you know what very nice people great. Fuck that noise. We are allowed to fly. I don't gotta apologize in advance in case my kid acts like a kid right? Just don't just be a human being I told you I made a fake goody bag did a blog post where I create a fake goody bag and you know, I just put like fake drink tickets or some ecstasy parking ticket. I put a note that you can meet me at Hudson News after the flight if you want to if you really want to talk this out just like I don't understand that impulse to be like, you know, everyone's gonna hate you you paid full price for the ticket, right? It sucks. Nobody likes it. Nobody likes flying in general but State I've but your errands have it the worst of all parents have it the worst of all and and being a dick about it for all those particular. There's any non parents being a dick Out people who have kids on a flight. Yes is dickish the worst you're the worst. You are the worst and it just makes everything bad for everybody. Yeah, so like a lot of people wrote in about getting dirty looks and and just the judgment and then other people talk about the I like I'm imagining you didn't have when you're on the plane. You don't have any none of your kids are in diapers anymore. No, so you didn't have any diaper blow outside to change a diaper blowout like in one of those crappy cramped bathrooms really hard s Crown have the same thing. Blow Civ baby poop during takeoff epic meltdown on the shitty plane toilet changing table. Oh, well, I have I have one that was slightly new to me, which was my for I had to take my four year old who had to go had to go number two to poop and on the plane on the plane. And yeah, it was like horrifying ya think Trainspotting bathroom. And then just telling your son. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything is fine. Good. You think that what you keep saying that everything's fine your Meanwhile your to me closer. Got stuff all over your clothes, but you don't have a lot of changes. No. No, I'm going like Trainspotting. You just diving it. Yeah. Yes Emily, but the key thing that we're missing which is a positive here, which you have all my God, I positive we don't really get into positives on this podcast. I don't know if you got thank God for screens. Oh my God. Oh my God hours. You want to watch whatever whatever you want to watch. You want to watch some stuff. I've you want to watch a Basic Instinct. Here you go problem here. I'll fast forward to the good part. I always use Basic Instinct. That's my example even though that movies like 30 years old. Yeah, I don't have a racy modern-day equivalent. I know because the Antichrist by Lars von Trier that's disturbing right you can watch that. I don't care guess what your five if you keep your mouth shut you can watch whatever you want. You want more. Can you want anything anything you want cookies have it all all of it. So I read a list once like tips. You can do with your kids on playing like bring a somebody even said here and I'm not going to I'm not going to bash her although obviously, I'm gonna bash a little bit. She said she brings a can't find. She brings a bag of like toys and coloring books and snacks. I'm like, yeah, sure snacks and books beauty balm. But if you don't bring tablets, yeah, no. No, you're a bad passenger. Right? You're like it is not the time the airplane you're an attending in close tin can with a bunch of people that hate you already is not the time to experiment with discipline and teaching your kids how to not have screen time. Yeah. Now they sacrifice those three to five hours. Yes, give it up and make make your life easier make them happy or make everybody has ugly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and that goes for road trips to but now again and just there is that sweet. This is why the this is why that 18 to 32 months old. I mean 36 months old. There is a period of time where you're flying with Abby ass baby who doesn't know about screen has no attention span. Yeah. It's not interested in watching like cars and all they want to do is take their sharp fingernails and like put them all or even worse. The seat in front of you. Yeah, that's a nightmare and that ladies and gentlemen is flying with but nothing but nothing like that. Your kids are a little bit older you didn't have any incidents on your know. So it's for me it's getting better. So I have a eleven eight and four and a half year old and to be honest with you outside a little kicking on kicking of the seat right for you just and just a general expensive having three. Yeah children to buy expensive goods for which is outrageous total of five people. Yeah. So that is my man is why we often Drive, even though we had with no traffic. I think it was 11 hours on the way down. We had a lot of traffic with you always so we drove to South Carolina. You always hit traffic like the Washington D.C. Baltimore Corridor. There's almost no avoiding it but we hit it all over the place. So it end up taking 14 hours a lot of screen time for the kiddos to the point where they're like, we do something else, you know, like they get too much of it you try to Stop, maybe you stop it like a play place. Like if there's like a McDonald's. Yeah, they just get their jollies out for like 10 minutes while you like eat some junk food. Although as we discussed once before you don't you don't need snacks when you go on road. I don't eat snacks, but I'll stop and eat food. Well, what kind of food fillet a fish? Oh, what's your what's your go-to it McConnell think back man. Look at that. Yeah boy asked with the fries in the middle. That's what that's what it's all about. So we did that twice. Obviously we had to drag me down. And we had drive back you what time did you leave? So the we left at about 6 a.m. Or 6:30 on the way back in 7 a.m. On the way there which on the way back was on Saturday. So like we had never really done that before it turned out the traffic was pretty great. It was a Easter weekend so or the week after and I don't think a lot of people were traveling on that Saturday that week before they probably got their travel out the way down. Like I said in the end the past we've tried to do like leave it three just Head of the New York rush hour and then miss some stuff and hope the kid falls asleep at like seven or eight like they normally would guess what? No not falling asleep then go to bed at like 11 or 12 course and then the worst thing that happens every parent knows the kid falls asleep five minutes before you reach your destination gets three minutes of sleep and then is wired in a wake and then I want to go to prison to like a sobbing mess or oh my God are just dead uncontrollable Tasmanian Devil Type. So my philosophy on road trips is is screens all the time snacks all the time anything you want just to keep your mouth shut this frustrates. It doesn't the philosophy behind it. Mom and buried is good with the fact that as I do all the driving and she has to be the concierge essentially. He's not so good with so like I'll be driving in the toddler will want something extra eat that he can't get her. He wants something else and she who is trying to nap because make no mistake about it. She's not a good Navigator. She's not good shotgun. She sleeps 70% of the trip. And then the kids waking her up because he's behind me and I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Like, I'm not pulling over guess what dad's don't pull over? Yeah Dad's go from A to B as quickly as possible you stop for gas and to go to the bathroom. Don't forget cursing at every possible up every possible opportunity today. This guy just today not even on a road trip. I was trying to make a turn and somebody didn't let me go and I was like come on you walking out of me gonna yelled at my son was like like, oh he don't do that and I'm like people just aren't courteous and he's like, yeah. Well you weren't being courteous. Yes, so they made you not be created. You turned yourself. I said it's a vicious cycle. They're not nice to me. I'm nice to them two wrongs. Don't make a right hold more to go. So that's so funny. I the the designated my wife does not nap, but the good news is is that she's awake enough to let me know how annoying it is that she has to be the person to hand out. Ya know. My wife does that'll close. All of the turning around is really tough back and Just constantly having to just manage them when she's really busy being on her phone and not let's just put say navigating or helping. Hey, could you tell me if how long this traffic exist? Oh, no, so you don't have your own phone mounted like have my phone but I yeah, I got I don't I don't like to we're being recorded. You don't want to admit that. Yeah, that's true. I listen to music and podcasts but I make sure the volume is not on in the back seat because I listened to some risk a stuff. Yeah. It was some blue some blue material. Let the dead bury the dead and bury podcast that just I did do some nice again, I'm trying to figure out where the flaws are the right right across from me. Okay. Well, so do your so you don't do the road trip thing ever? It's always my definitely so we we go to Maine and we'll drive to me because flying is Nightmare you kids get carsick. Thankfully they do not and that is actually a big one that I have to be thankful for because I do know that kids gets cut my eight year olds won't and it's stability to his credit. My eight-year-old won't eat in the car anymore because he gets sick sometimes and one time we were on like we weren't even gone no more talking you were going on a road trip. We were on like the FDR like we weren't even out of the city and he starts puking and the thing with him is he is like a tree nut allergy. So your first thought is oh my God, is this a result of some kind of life-threatening thing because I can't get off the road. I'm stuck in traffic and somebody else mentioned that were like, sometimes you get stuck in this traffic and there's nothing you can do right you can't pull over. And the same thing goes for if this is the double edged sword of potty training kids in diapers are easier on road trips because then you only have to worry about when you have to go to the bathroom. I have been stuck in the car so many times where my son will have will have just gone to a rest stop and we've made everyone go to the bathroom, or maybe I don't think I'll ever let him get away with saying I don't have to go the bathroom with a rest stop, but we'll be back in the car 20 minutes. I don't be like I have to go the bathroom you like. There's nothing I can do for you man. Like you need to hold this and kids aren't as good at knowing how to do that. I'm not going to give me a gatorade bottle. Although somebody here said pack a thunder jug. I don't know. I don't know what that is. I can guess that it's somewhere for kids to be prepared with a thunder jug to avoid stops. Jenny Das said, I don't know what it is. Both on the side. Maybe that's why maybe that's why maybe it's something like a vomit vomit a bowl you like you have a thunder jug know your car at it but there are like portable potty seats that you can bring if you do pull over on the side of the road or something like that, but this is why I was pulling over the road. I mean, I guess if you I would prefer to wear a diaper when I drive just so I could just power through you got to stop but having to like change a diaper on the side of the road or there was a the panic when your kid has to go and your kid is panicking and it's making you panic and you like I don't know. There's no exit. What do I do? Like I hate that that happens every once in a while. It didn't happen this time. Thankfully we manage that correctly, but that is really nerve-wracking. Yeah, I don't like that. No we do. So. Yeah, we've driven the 11 hours that it takes to go to northern Maine and that's the only way to go because it's like you go up and you just kind of with the trick is that we found and we've only got a couple times but the trick is if we leave really early in the morning. Yeah. We leave for so the kids again didn't quite work out but kind of work down. They were not asleep. Right but they were so tired. So they're just sitting there and they were kind of just days for at least like an hour and a half of the trip. Are they all three lined up all next to each other because someone here said Ali Bill check said he got a car with a third row, or she I think it was a he since Bill and that was a game changer. Cause the kids have their own Zone. Yeah, there's a buffer but then how are you getting them food and snack just that pass it back. Just like Chain Gang toss it back now Chang it. Hey, you pass it to that person, but there's but if they're in the third row, there's nobody in the middle row, I think is a suggestion there. No. No there is there's so that you don't have to have people exactly how many kids you have. I guess. Well, sometimes they like you visit actually you can play war with card you ever play war with cards. Yeah back in 1822. Okay, buddy. You know what? It's hurtful. I'm sorry back in the 80s. We had some low-tech. Yeah solutions to boredom on the road. I was watching look at the End of Watch. I was I was counting are trying to find all 50 states on the license plates. Yeah. You should do that by try to do it on my kid right now. That's the downside to the screen. Maybe like what the f oh man. We played spots a serial killer and it is pointed up at you. Every time I won every time point in my dad, you just seem a little bit like a serial killer type of your like deceptively mild-mannered deceptive. Well groomed your neighbors would be like I never suspected a thing. He was so well, that's guess who did suspect folks this guy right here. Yeah, Mike you're talking to yourself. We're done. We're talking about road trips. So again pee breaks what else we got here. We got car sickness, which is happened a couple of times my son. Oh God the car sickness if that's the worst and the good. I mean, it smells the smell got to get it out of there. You got to get everything that he was wearing and then he got covered on out of there. So listen to this story. Our Wilkinson says to me he will never forget the time. He pulled into a rest stop and saw a car covered in vomit just everything covered in vomit and they see the mom crying in the backseat. She's also covered in vomit the kid was feeling nauseous. So they moved him to the front seat so he could throw up out the window which he did but the back seat window was open and it looped in on the mom. And CR Bullard said Sarah Wilkinson. Sorry. Well I said that was the last time they were ever allowed to sit in the front seat or that was the perfect reason for them to never be allowed to sightsee nowadays that would never happen because they're like laws and regulations unless you're in an airport where you can legally murder your kid at least Florida. We're almost there. There's the dream that's the dream and Kristin Hallett said here that no vomiting is a win the key is low expectations, right? So no vomiting just like the dude in the other one one flying where the the parabolic motion where the kid Pete through the diaper. Yeah. On his legs that sucks. But the kidnap the whole time right which is your expectation says that's a win. Yeah. I mean there's also different like if the baby spit up so if you have an infant and you're traveling with an infant, they spit up and you're like did we change them or rather good? Yeah, right exactly until it starts to smell. It's not an issue. Just just that's when you just kind of lower their window run through well as Crown mentioned the residual vomit smell which it's really tough to get out and if you're on like so we that happened in Virginia once for us and we still had like seven hours to go. And one of the first things I'm thinking about is like I can't be driving on a highway with the windows shut the air conditioner on and the vomit smell lingering in the car. You just got to get out and do whatever you can to get that to scrub that out as quickly as possible. So it doesn't stay just absolute nightmare. None of that happened this trip relatively uneventful. Yeah a couple of screaming things were like the charger stopped working for one of the iPads. That's a that was that was tough. I've got one it but I inject like my ideal solution is train travel, but you know why it's not a drug deal. So here it would be if it was like if 40% cheaper if it was no, look it eliminates the security line and all the hassle of the airport. But then you have all those people you have to deal with bottom and you get like at it's like rolling the west of Airlines because it's less hassle to get there as early. Like a scenic train ride never done that but I better be lovely like the like a train but cross-country train wreck between like New York and Boston and DC and that well like the seller something like that or even I used to do it for the able to achieve and I think it took like a five-hour tray just get the regular really take that long. We have five hour train. Yeah from Boston to New York. Yeah throughout New York to Connecticut. Yeah wouldn't take him out wouldn't take that long to get I did that if he doesn't maybe it was when I visited Skidmore to visit our mutual friend. Yes. I took the train a couple of times but the time it's the peaceful if it's not packed, but it's too expensive if it were 40% cheaper than an airplane ticket. I think more people would do it. So let me just get this straight. You're perfect motor transport would be a train if it was cheaper wasn't packed and well, my perfect Market is probably a private chat great obviously, but there are a lot of things so that's the traveling aspecting the getting there and stuff. Right? So I am I spring break we went and stayed with family. Yeah, which maybe we'll do a in-laws episode somewhere down the line. There's some ups and downs to that. One of the best trips we ever went on was we flew to Turks and Caicos when when the hammer was under one and we was this during the Wall Street movement and when being chased out of your Mansion when I met okay, look it's tropical vacation. We use some points some miles and we brought my sister-in-law. Got our ticket through points. We brought her and she just stayed in our B&B or whatever. It was. It wasn't a traditional hotel and she was the nanny for our baby. Essentially. She got to come with us. She got to be the nanny didn't really cost anything and it was really really makes it the nanny lifestyle having a nanny really appealing to be it really removes all the parenting from parenting. I love it. It's really it's what I want. Yeah, that's what I want and to have someone like assistant and that's why these people that like you come down there grab. Parents. Yeah. Well like well, like let's go on a family trip and I'll pay for everything. Let's bring up a Disney World and they end up entertaining the kids and stuff. It's the dream to be on vacation with your kids, but have a little respite. Yeah, which I mentioned you earlier mom and buried and I because we visited family in the middle of the trip. We were there for about 10 days for two nights. We were able to go off to a B&B at a nearby cities a lot of time and it was we walked around we went to breweries Asheville, North Carolina. It's love with each other. No, you know what? Like I remember yeah, my wife a literally said something like that to me. It's nice to see you know to become reacquainted not so you told her to be quiet because you're posting something. No. I told her excuse me. We're sleeping in separate bedrooms tonight because I need some sleep in separate bedrooms. We did separate bedrooms. What's really Airbnb? We stayed at had one bad in each room. There are two bedrooms She has Ms. She had some trouble sleeping. I have a wife. I have some trouble sleeping. So we split up. Yeah, it's wonderful. That's nice. Your life it was well top three but I mean it's a luxury that you don't get normally if we had kids with this one of them. Even if we sleep in separate rooms. We probably each have a kid in our bed. So she a vacation somewhere strange house. Well, that's like that's like sleeping. I mean anytime you go to a hotel with your all jammed in same thing. It's just like if you're just bringing back like the tenement to like the some kids sleeping in the tub, but it's so exciting to the kid it is that's exciting your it's Having your excited through them for a period of time five minutes and then it wears off. Yes, and then you're like this is the word and then you're like waiting for them to fall asleep. So you can like put on the hotel HBO. So this is what my mind it's so bright. Here's what my wife and I do this what we did last year. We went to Philadelphia just for a weekend like winter break and we obviously got one room when we going to get two rooms for an eight-year-old in the toddler. Ne-Yo one room two beds. We grab a six-pack and my wife has champagne because that's her choice and we sit in the hallway. We tell the kids go to bed we go sit in the hallway and we drink out there for like 45 minutes. Wait for the kids to fall asleep. Then we go in there. We like watch something on the computer on TV as low level as possible. Now, you gotta you gotta get them to fall asleep or sitting in the hallway and either you walk by your parent and get it. Yep, or you work while you're not a parent. You're like look at these while we pose. Yeah, what are these lunatics doing? These two people squatters? Yeah these homeless people but there's All sorts of these little tricks you have to do to make traveling with kids bearable. Can I won we will talk about this later, but we went to Disney at one point and we stayed. Oh my God, you were calling me money bucks. I'm sorry. I you just like talked about bringing your Nanny to translate one shot the okay talk about going to Disney World. All right Trump, whatever. Everybody goes dizzy. Well anyway, so let me just get to the point. The point is is our hotel room had a curtain all those black out in the middle in between beds. In between or like a sweet setup was an officer. There was a exactly between the sweet section. So they knew that people were going to have their kids. I mean they can think of everything they're the best which hotel chain. It was a Red Roof Inn. No, it was like the Disney hotel whatever one of the all right. Well Disney does think of everything I mean literally everything except for when the cloud of dust spells sex in a lab didn't think of that. Did they know that it's like an Easter egg supposedly an aladdin? Yeah, when the the I don't know the Magic Carpet his thing dusk. Up in spell sex, there might be a little mermaid doesn't matter subliminal messages in Disney films. Let's get into it. It's really what's on the top here - team but no, they leave the curtain even their current even closed around the TV meaning the TV was part of the the bed. Alright, so the proper bed area they walled that off and then the the pullout and the other sleeper was separate and was the best it was I as you can tell I can remember a clearly today and I think it's the most amazing thing I've ever seen and I don't only at a Disney hotel. It was ever seen anywhere. I've never seen anywhere else. I would like to see that because all my wife would talk about is wanting to get separate bedrooms after our travel. Yeah, and that's between she and I but having separate residences from us and the kids we didn't talk about getting divorced sometimes co-parenting. Just A Dream is just to not have kids around as much of the time yeah, I mean there's trial so then there's travel you mentioned it before but traveling internationally in the time change and all that stuff one thing I meant to ask you so you've got the three kids you do the road trip. Sometimes you do the plane do they fight? Yeah constantly. Mhm. Yes, you're in a confined space. Yeah, let me get a little bit of that too. It's really really bad. I am a Johnson said fighting so you mentioned is one of the cons to traveling is the fighting siblings, which The lately we've been getting a lot more of that between my two sons. I need any people to sign on to my petition for just like with our murder using parents. Oh, yes, we murdering their children while traveling and just you know, someone comes up there in you know, the streets of Paris assume what happened? Oh, I see you probably wish it's okay nevermind easy parents for everything like Global just acknowledge the stress level of these parents have when they're traveling with kids. Yeah. They let them do anything. They want to not watch Aladdin. Because because the kids are going to see some stuff and they can't unsee. I just don't see a lot of money and I'm not talking about Will Smith as a blue genie. Although the going to be nice to see that either. They should have got the guy from the king of cars that show Blue Genie from the king of cars literally have no idea we talking about the king of cars. Yeah, what's the showing of cause our show on any or something that some History Channel like five years ago or ten years ago. Wow, it was literally never heard of it. If anybody had a character called the Blue Genie Nae Nae Ever heard of the show. All right, you're making this up. No king of qarth. Sorry man blue. Genie. Get at me the I want some comments as anybody ever heard of this. They any or the History Channel. Yeah, I can't remember which one who's like one of them on our TLC? I don't want a little left eye something about. All right. I think we got it. Right. I think we nailed it. We nailed. Oh man, we did our best, you know, and that's all that matters. I mean we covered it all. I mean, I'm left almost I kind of suspect. Yeah. I need to get you need a vacation from your podcast. They always say you need a vacation from your vacation, which is really true when you have kids. Yeah. It's not a vacation when you bring kids along it's a trip. Also, I will just I will just do a shout-out to coming back one day early like giving yourself an extra buffer we do that every time yes it is. I mean, I when I was a kid my I would literally get off the plane we have to go to school. It was yeah the worst thing I could you need to decompress the being be having that buffer time is so we said that to protect the Munch and the hammer like like we weren't getting home until like 7:00 at night like tomorrow is a lazy movie day there on the couch were watching movies. We're not doing a thing because this was a long trip, and it was a long drive back. We all need to decompress and get to know each other as a family again under our normal everyday circumstances, and we immediately started fighting happily ever after exactly. All right, cool. All right guys, we'll we'll catch you next time. Thanks so much. Talk to you later.

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Welcome back to another episode of the conscious locker room podcast. My name is Telly O'Connor and I'm the host and creator of the show and I'm really excited to introduce you to this week's guest but before I do that, I just want to remind you quickly that there are two days left to register for the embodied living incubator. So this is a 10 week online program with myself and a bunch of Epic speakers. We will explore a whole bunch of topics. So ifLooking to increase the level of fulfillment you have in your life. If you're looking to increase the confidence that you lead various aspects of your life. And if you're looking to deepen the level of connection and intimacy that you have in your relationships, then this is definitely something worth looking at and you don't have much longer to look at it. So we close registration in two days. We kick things off next week and we still have a couple of spaces available for both men and women so If you haven't checked it out of this is the first you're hearing of it then head over to my Instagram at tally O'Connor all the details are there or you can head straight to the website tell you a kind of dotco forward slash embodied - living so go and check it out. If you've got any questions or if it's something that you really want to do, but there are some obstacles in the way. Hit me up. Either email me or send me a message so we can we can make it happen really looking forward to getting stuck into that next week. So this week's guest is a good brother of mine all the way over in Scotland. So Mark John Brown, we've we've never met in the flesh. We got connected by a mutual friend. And yeah, I have developed a really deep deep connection. I really resonate with the work he's doing in the world and it's just a really authentic good man. So Mark John Brown, he's a vastly experienced coach and writer who also acts as a voice for or both transformational business and for the world's indigenous population, here's walk the path of shamanism for well over a decade and in the world of modern institution and business, he originally qualified and operated As an interpreter and translator before moving on to write copy for some of the world's biggest corporations nowadays when he's not training Jiu-Jitsu investing in crypto currency or tending to his only remaining property brokerage company you can find MJ be writing copy for some of the world's most successful transformational businesses as well as providing plant medicine integration and life coaching for individual clients facilitating transformational group work sitting in ceremony with ancestral cha shamans or indulging in his favorite activity of them all spending time with his beloved Peruvian wife and their young daughter and Mark is very much a family man amongst that extensive list of hats that he can work. Where he definitely wears the the family man hat in and amongst it as well. So I really enjoyed this this conversation with Mark. He definitely Blends experience of different worlds deep in the Shamanism path and working a lot in ceremony and working with indigenous cultures and in the world of business and blending those two and his take on authentic masculinity and she him sharing his story of how he sort of went from a Burly tough Scottish bloke to sort of accessing. Learning to work with his emotions in a powerful way. So you could show up more fully in his work and in his family life and he share some powerful lessons on that front. So without further Ado enjoy the podcast. All right, we're on so MJB. Thanks for joining me and taking the time to come and have a chat with me on the podcast man. Totally all see. Thank you very much for having me man. Yeah been looking forward to this one. We've yeah, we always have such I always leave our conversations feeling more fired up and more excited for life than then when I came into them. So yeah soon as I decided to start the podcast on you and your With you would be on the cards. Not not too far far into it. So I'm glad we've made it happened. And I know you're busy man right now. So I just want to acknowledge you for taking the time to sit down with me. Thank you, brother. Yeah, it has certainly been in the air for quite a few months. I felt it coming and felt it coming and felt it coming and well finally it is here. So yeah like to be here in this space with you brother. Let's dive in so I'll kick things off the same way. I've been kicking off each of these conversations. And that is with a love you to share a significant challenge that you've overcome in your life and what the main thing you learned from overcoming that challenge was. Yeah. So significant challenge that I've overcome in my life is Dealing with I can a broken family, right and I can have three rough upbringing man and not an easy up bringing lots of like domestic abuse, alcoholism and drug addiction. And yeah the way that I yeah, I'm overcoming all of this in this lifetime is just taking radical radical responsibility for my role in all of it and for my own life Yeah. Yeah, I love it. Talk to me speak speaking to that radical responsibility a little bit more like what did what did that actually look like for you? Yeah, so being really clear with boundaries bro, right? And because we yeah this whole concept, I'm sure everybody who listens to that this podcast will have heard the saying fill your cup first and so to be able to take radical. possibility for my own space for my own unfoldings and for the nourishment of my own cup for the nourishment of my own cup dedicating myself to my own development my own and you know, I know that some of my family members might might not even listen to this man, but I know that some of them may feel like I've been like a bit selfish thus far or they may feel some kind of resentment towards me because I've like, you know pick myself up and like really taking myself to to hold all new levels man, but it is time it is time now because my cup is much more fool than it has ever been right and and it is time now just this year you noted earlier on today. Just mean you were just discussing that. Level of healing that's happening in my family at the moment and that is because that is because I have enough overflow no to give to people you know, but hey, I'm 30 years old bro, right? It's taken me 30 years, right, but I had to fucking, you know, close myself off from not exactly close myself off but in the becoming involved in the emotional deficits and the victimhood and the lower can a human Expressions really safeguarding myself from that to cultivate my own life force within the little container that I created for myself in order to really fucking knuckle down and focus on me, first of all, and then of course my wife and then of course my daughter now that that like my cup and my family cup is kind of more food than it's ever been. It's spreading. Why don't you know, and I'm here. relationships with like I said a relationship with my mother that has been full of toxicity our relationships relationships with you know, I went for dinner with my two cousins who are the daughters of my mother's sister. I went for a dinner with him last month for the first time in my whole fucking life. Yeah, and I instigated that I said, hey, like let's go for dinner together, right and let's pop family stuff and let's like let's feel good about our family. You know, let's do that. Yeah. Does that answer the question brother? Yeah, yeah very much. So and it's you speak to such an important point and something that I've really discovered in my journey as well. I remember when I first sort of started to take that responsibility for how I wanted to show up in my life. I immediately went to Big service got to change the world. How can I go and serve and help all these people out there when I'd only barely just got myself too. To level and it's like the importance of coming back to know me and then my little tight unit of my family and then and going out like that. I feel like in the coaching world the Spiritual Development world. There's a lot of people that are you know, maybe trying to help Jim and Bob and courses for these people yet. Yeah change the fucking world. Yeah their own felt like family stuff is cooked and they're not happy in there. So I feel like That that point is a really important one because it could for me. What I'm feeling is the foundation for longevity in the work that I do because I'm like I'm not going to recoil from this whereas before I've gone out and you know done a lot but then had to recoil because my base wasn't sorted and it's like I guess only with time I'm 1031 yesterday. So it's taken me a long time as well. Yeah, but that that Foundation And I've noticed it just in the way even just through social media like how you've been just showing up. There's just I don't know you just feel really solid in everything you're doing at the moment. So yeah, I want to acknowledge that as well, man. So yeah, what's yeah, what's um, what's exciting you most right now in this disservice as the cup Earth overfloweth? What's what's what's exciting you most right now. Yeah, I'm I'm I mean there's a couple of things right so I'm doing I'm in the middle of this like a tweak mentorship with Georgia morally and Silver Star Trek who I know you know, yeah. Yeah silver. Yeah, it's true brother silver story from my homeland as well man. So amazing. We're in the middle of an eight-week mentorship as a couple mean my wife as a couple with Georgia and silver. And so I'm I'm really there's like I said, there's several things to mainly that are screaming at me as I shoot into their energy. And one of them is that is the potential that is brewing with my wife because my wife is reaching all new levels of self-expression and empowerment and I'll invite you better to connect with her more after this podcast man. You know what she's doing. Yeah. She's just beginning to flourish man. And this is her right here. I am the grandmother, huh? But of love, but this little poster behind me, that's my wife the grandmother hummingbird of love and she is really just spreading her wings and doing amazing things. And at the same time I'm as always we've both been doing pretty amazing things just that it's all reaching new levels. And what is happening now is that we're starting to lay the foundation with no hurry at all. There's no rush brother, but we are laying the foundation to work together and make previously previously. SLI trying to work together because we're both such strong fucking leaders. Like she's like, yeah sure hold me up on the on the pedestal but on the pedestal, you know what I mean, but she'll hold me up and be like, yes. My husband is amazing. Yes, and I hold her up and I'm just like fucking hell. This is my wife. She's a badass jiu-jitsu fighter. She's an amazing massage therapy. She's a fucking bad-ass Peruvian Shaman, like, you know, all these different things. I'll hold her up and be like, well my wife she's amazing but too Work together and bring something into the world together. Holy moly. It's like it's like holding 2 plus ends of a battery together, right? Hmm. And yeah so far so far, but now we're reaching all new levels of depth and I know you and Cat will appreciate this stuff man. Yeah, and we're getting all new levels of depth the connection that we've we've got is just it's really beginning to flourish so much money, and I'm looking at her and I'm seeing her in an all new light man. And hmm. So that that that's happening man, you know, and that's that's after having Advent having ventured out into the world of polyamory and you know, looking outside of ourselves for really what we work in are trying to develop within our little name. Yeah, so that's that's that's exciting me. But also In this process, I'm feeling very fucking excited about working with masculine men. Yeah, man with a strong dose of masculinity, right? I like I feel I feel like perhaps I was a little bit in balanced in my own masculine expression in my life and it was always about being tough being able to fight right being able to be strong and do the acrobatic Either fucking star of the show and tan tan tan tan like, you know poof where the the knight in shining armor and whatever right? And yeah, and now I'm like, well actually, you know, taking all the shining armor off and let's see what soft animal heart is below that and and what is it saying? What does it need? What is it feeling? Right? What does it need in this moment, huh? About a hug for mummy. You know, I like to be held by women by the feminine to be held into to receive to receive to open into receive two soft in to be more gentle to be silent to be quiet to listen to the beat of my own heart. What is it say and it and I mean, I've kind of been developing this as you know for a few years now, but I think that it's just it's kind of reaching its Pinnacle now. I've been involved in like been involved in like sacred theater and heart Circle work been working with Christian Pinehurst over in Holland quite a few times and it's just opened me to all new levels and through the Transformations that I've lived in this year, bro. Like I'm looking at guys like I'm like man you I want you to feel this medicine man this medicine that I've just tasted of my own heart. You know, let ya have a taste of it man, like I invite you invite you into the space come and have a taste of this medicine because it's game-changing man, you know, it's game-changing. So yeah, that's what's most exciting me those two things. Very exciting both really exciting thing. Yeah. I've got a I've got ya some questions for both both aspects of that. Let's um firstly dive into to and you said like this balance masculinity and you said that you were maybe unbalanced in your masculinity in your earlier years and it's something that I've definitely witnessed and experienced myself and it's almost as if if we tip too far either end of the spectrum that was more softer feminine sort of mr. Nice guy masculinity or this machismo much. Oh Tough Guy look at me and I'll you know, it's kind of weird. Start with two options and to each option. The other option looks not very appealing. So the macho guy would look over at the other guy be like well, I don't want to soften because I might end up like him and then the softer guy would be like, well, I don't want to toughen up and find my balls because then I might end up like that guy over there who's disconnected from his emotion and it's really finding that that balance and that Harmony and I'd love you to speak to to your journey with really developing that Harmony and and the Work. Yeah, I know deep breath and and yeah and the work that like I guess yeah your personal journey and then any tools or things that you find that a lot of guys are benefiting from as well in that. I have a one that comes straight to my main brother is starting to my heart and my mind is to is to man it's so big as well as to learn how to feel right because we can like even in our fucking meditations, right and this is this is something that gets me a little bit is like, oh you're feeling shit. Yeah, just meditate, you know like yeah, okay meditation Works in in many of these scenes. And scenarios, but it doesn't serve all the time man. And when we're coming from a place of strong masculinity. That's like must fix must fix ya like it must come most quiet in most relaxing. You know that yeah. Yeah. Yeah must must witness must witness this feeling must witness, right? How about feeling it instead of instead of like fucking looking at it and witnessing it and unlike analyzing it and figuring out like just feel it man. Fucking feel it get into your body. Is it anger smart your fucking chest and get out my you know, get it the fuck out like feel it process it get it through your body. See what's on the other side of that because on the other side of that. Well, I'm sure you know, you don't cut it. Yeah, there's Be a there's maybe a fucking emotional meltdown on the other side of that. But then again on the other side of that emotional nothing what happens complete unwinding of nervous system absolute Divine relaxation that you've never fucking experience in your life before right? That that is the Holy Grail really that's where we want to be living in with a with a the potential to unwind our nervous system at the fucking drop of a hat because of tools that we develop right tools that we develop and we work with and this is why you're talking of tools. That's one of them create a fucking Sacred Space for yourself to get in there and get digging into all those emotions and feel them feel them. And hmm and yeah. Yeah words I used earlier. Either do it like, you know, I work I worked with a one others who is a phenomenal and I had a one-on-one session with a client and we had a you know, we had a ceiling to floor mirror and since we weren't in circle and interacting with other people, it was just this client and the mirror and I kind of guided them through, you know, feeling and expressing and and what I call sacred feelings or two. Just acting out acting out what it is. What's the sin that caused the trauma? What's the scene? Where is it? Take us back there and let's let's let's replay and just instead of bottling up what we bottled up fucking let it out. Let it out. How does it feel you know? Yeah. Yeah and then creating space to integrate it because I feel like we're all walking around with so many unintegrated events and it's almost like there's all these incompletions. Ins and unintegrated events that were walking around with that wind us up like you say and it's so only when we can go back and integrate them which happens on that physiological level that you say feel it then can we create the space and then it's like all of a sudden I can breathe a bit deeper. I can feel my partner a bit deeper. I've got a bit more creative inside. I've got a bit more connection to my purpose and it's it's the breeding ground for all of it. And and because its peak it reminds me of like the difference. I had a conversation with a guy recently about sort of mental health and emotional health and we kind of Clump them together as or mental and emotional well-being and what you kind of touched on before was almost like the distinction between like yes, I can have awareness and witness my emotions. It's almost like that mindfulness that yes. Okay. I'm aware that this is happening. And then there's also actually the Bill, it's a skill of being able to feel it as well. Both sides of that if you get stuck in because you can go and feel too much as well. And I've been in that world to where there wasn't enough witnessing. There wasn't enough of that other and that's just as unproductive as well. So it's like it's like yeah, and I feel like yeah, like yeah that that integration and and understanding you don't need to go there forever like and I'd love for you to speak to that a little bit like once you go in and you go into these places, it's you spending a relatively short time feeling it or processing it or whatever. It may be and then once you go there then you can carry that versatility with you into your relationships and all of that like yes speak to your experience with that. Yep, cool. So yes spot on man. And again, it's too after to right so you got to for expression and release and then to for integration. And so I use other there you go. I use journaling mindful journaling, right? So just just witnessing the so going back into the experience in a kind of meditation session. Just like going taken myself back there. Yeah and journaling just journaling of the experience to kind of witness what happens what unfolds? How does it affect me and and upon can integrating this knowledge it bring it makes it it kind of it's difficult to explain man, but I think it it makes it like somehow it makes it easy because because I can feel right I can feel because I'm getting writing involved. I'm activating so many more senses when I'm reliving it just not live like in the flesh in the cannon alive moment. I'm I'm reliving it through witnessing in it witnessing it and I'm writing it also some activating all these different senses, which is really helping it to like sink in right? Yeah, and once it sinks in It's like a brings into a kind of embodied awareness which then in my everyday interactions makes it kind of. Easier for me to speak my truth. I know that I hope that makes sense man. Yeah, yeah very much. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah that man's so it's like when I feel something after living this process and when I'm just interacting with my wife, for example, when something comes up, it's much easier for me to know what will happen. If I just process it there in them, right? Yeah, boom live in the moment gives process and express and be raw in a very raw. Yeah authentic expression of what is going on for me right there. And that is speaking my truth, right? Yeah. Yeah, I love it and that embodiment of it that you speak to like that feeling it and then integrating it creates a space in your nervous system. So because at the end of the day, it's like what's the point of all of this so we can live with more joy and liver a better life. So it's like then once you've got that space as things pop up if you've embodied it because I know initially in my Learning Journey and I don't know if yours was similar. I know I speak to a lot. Lot of guys where they're listening to podcast doing all these things and they they know a lot they know a lot but very little is actually embodied. So not much is actually changing and it's almost like they get more anxious because they know so much they know what they should be doing, but they're not able to do it and that Gap almost gets bigger. Like did you have that experience at all? Yeah. Yeah. I have experienced it and I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Oh man, and you know Brother, I'm Scottish and your your will probably come from similar Roots, right? There's a lot of there's a lot of guilt and shame running through the Celtic and Irish and Scottish especially and and I think that yeah Scottish and Irish people while I'm Scottish Rite, we really don't do ourselves. Any favors when we give ourselves an opportunity to feel more guilty because it's already running like that's something that ancestrally we have to process in big fucking ways. Right? And so yeah knowing this right? Oh shit. Yeah, like I know this, but I just fuck I couldn't like I just couldn't take myself to act the way. I know I should have and then guilt shame. Fuck you. Beating yourself up, right? It's just unhealthy. It's so unhealthy you start questioning yourself as well. Like like why am I still feeling all AG with that person why or when I'm in that circle of people that and these are conversations. I'm just saying words that I said to myself in the past, you know, like yeah, you know decade or so like Mmm Yeah, like why am I still feeling that way? Why do I still feel triggered when he says that and why why am I still feeling offended by this like, yeah. Yeah, I know that I should be yeah this yeah, and it's because well, I mean in my case in my own experience. That what I've just said about like this sacred theater and the feeling the emotions and really learning to process and release them. That was my missing link man. That was the bridge that was the bridge to bring it into my body and to embody and live it and breathe it. Yeah feeling and not feeling stupid about it, right? Yeah. You can feel like a bit of an Obe. Yeah. Yeah yourself into I fully understand it, you know, especially guys coming from backgrounds that need like, you know, lots of boxing training lots of much alike. Martial arts training very masculine energy in your leg is I'm going to take myself into a place where I'm going to like scream and maybe like cry and feel like a bit of a dick Ray. Yeah. Well the Judgment it's so it's so deeply ingrained. I found my resistance to it was still so strong even After I'd started doing the work, so I started doing the work felt the benefit of it understood. It had literally seen tangible changes in my life and there would still be that little voice of judgment. Yeah that I would have to quiet because it's just so societally culturally all of it deeply ingrained that you're a pussy that it's going to be really an attractive to the opposite sex that all of these things are there and it's just so that resistance it does lesson but in my experience it still hangs around like it's still Still there? Yeah, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I still experience the even just at my Last Retreat that I did what I was doing exactly this kind of work which was when the end of August beginning of this month right? Like I still took a little bit like I had to in order for me to open up for me to self lead my own process. I needed somebody else to involve me in their process right sacred theater thing I'm talking about. And that kind of broke the ice from me in that particular one, but it's always there bro. It's not it's similar to its similar and this may take a conversation in another Direction but it is similar to fear and like when so when I'm for example competing in Jiu-Jitsu like feeling fear and just going with it. Anyway, it's similar feeling that like what if I look like I know but yeah, you know continuing you just going through the living. Yeah, and let's talk about the crossover. I'd love to hear as you expand. Your emotional agility your ability to feel to have that awareness and to actually know feel what's going on inside and process that more skillfully. Yeah has that transpired into your ability to handle fear with jiu-jitsu your ability to be present in those situations or or in your relationships. I'd love to hear whether whether flow over has been. Yeah. No absolutely man, like with my really I love that you see with my relationships as well man, because that's that's like that's the juiciest fucking talking about but I'll first touch on like Jiu-Jitsu and I mean even even even even today today as we talk I have in my system a certain level of anxiety and fear because I know that after we finish this conversation I'm going to change your Jutsu and I know that there are I mean we have got some fucking bad-ass martial artists and fighter in a in our club and it's expanded even more of just brought brought in like as multiple time boxing champion as well to start training with those and there's some real top-end like badass fucking martial artist who are like, you know, winning all sorts of stuff and I know I know in my system. I know that I'm going in there after having elapsed quite a bit with my training regime and I'm probably well. I'm definitely not in Tip-Top shape just now and you know, yeah, there's that there's that fear of like like, you know, fuck what if they fuck me up, you know, and like, oh what if I look like a knob as well, like what if I look like a knob just getting submitted over thing there is that right? I can feel it. I can feel it in my system as we talked but what this has given me Is the power of understanding and feeling and experiencing the fact that my breath is the bridge between that panicky anxiety state and disembodied wisdom. That is just constantly unwaveringly Faithfully shouldn't into my body in this moment here and now and that is all that matters and everything else. You know, it's secondary. It's like accessory, you know. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's just a story right? It's just a fucking yeah my story and and and all I need to do is just be present with my body and my being and that's all that I need all my body needs. All my journey needs is to be present with myself and to make sure that I myself am nourishing myself. Hmm. Nothing else. Make sure that I get adequate amounts of exercising the please make sure that I get adequate amounts of technique developed in my class right to improve my Jujitsu skills, right just me. That's all that's all that matters. And yeah, man, you mentioned in the relationships as well. So and so I part of I mean, like I said, I had a really fucking turbulent. Childhood teenage time and that caused a strong feeling of lacking safety when being in the company of other people right and that it's still quite heavily into my adulthood as well. And I love that it a lot of the time like, you know, let's see. I remember two thousand and two thousand and 10 and 11 right? I remember I was witnessing I was in this I was in circles of people who were like I gazing and you know going to that place of kind of deep present connection with each other through through things like eye gazing and that bro, that made me flip my lid man, I could not handle that shit. My nervous system would just go burn like a fucking fuzzy television that loses its signal right Miss II couldn't deal with that shit man, you know like that level of vulnerability of like exposing myself and Actually being seen whoa. Now. My second guest speakers on our skin. Is there as a and and no - excellent that you asked me this question my love it. No now it's like again my breath is the bridge right? My breath is the bridge between the heightened kind of nervous system. State and the embodied wise presence and awareness and and so if any kind of nervous or anxious waves do come and hey like I still witness them right? I'm not going to say that all awkward. I'm totally, you know don't experience any that she arrived. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like yeah, if any of that comes like I know that I've got the tools to just like bring myself. Daddy back to presence the moment my body and this allows for real depth of connection as well. And I gazing man. I love it. Now. I love the adventure that I gives and takes me on before because it feels like I'm marriage with the universe when I get with the person and what it does is brings a whole lot more relevant to the conversation right when you can really be present with somebody it makes the conversation so much. More fucking relevant and you realize how much bullshit you've got going on right but you would normally if you weren't so present with the person you would normally just vomited all over them, right and sharing this fucking yeah and end up sharing in this vomit party, right? Because we can because you know, if the other person's living something similar to yourself and going through the same like can I unease and consent get is feeding off a year on he's like the conversation is You know, there's no real depth to my normal self and and actually, you know, sometimes what it's brought me is sometimes like I met with my old friend Veronica just a couple of weeks ago, you know, and we're not seen each other in about about a year or something. She's gone through a whole lot of transformation. I've gone through a whole lot transformation reconnecting with her like the conversations that we had. They actually didn't contain so many words, right? They didn't contain So Many Bodies. We were just like so present with each other and only speaking. What was truly truly relevant to the moment into my heart to her heart to our Collective heart in that space in that time. It was just such a delicious experience man. I love it. I love it. Yeah, I love it. And I love that you share that ability to connect like doing this work developing. Your emotional agility has developed your ability to connect with presents in relationship, which Like what percentage what percentage of conflict in relationship would you put down to having a wound up nervous system or being disconnected from your Center? Like now having now you've experienced the other like what percentage Yeah of conflict because I would I say a lot of couples I work with a lot of people most conflict is just like not even really there. It's not even really there. It's just this disconnection from this Center. Yeah, like what percentage would you throw out for your your personal experience brought to be honest matter? I'd pretty much say it's entirely based on that because like 100% right? I mean, yeah, some people might disagree but in my experience it fucking is because the word conflict it doesn't have to like a lack of resonance doesn't need to bring conflict a lack of resonance can be consciously worked through and if he couple needs to separate because they're simply a lack of resonance. Now that can be done consciously in a clean manner with no conflict, right? And yeah man fucking so I would say I would say all of it bro like yeah all of it. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like it Comes when you put it like that, it becomes a fairly handy skill and tool to have then to be able to reconnect with this face. So like what when you say the breath is the bridge and now that like, yes you need to go and maybe like have a coach or go to workshops or Retreat experiences to sort of dive deeper into this work. But then on a day-to-day basis your awareness is it simply breathing into your belly? Is it like what do you actually physically do like so for somebody listening they're like like they can relate to what you're talking about and they're like a cool. I know those moments when I feel myself getting stressed. What what do you actually do in those moments when you have that awareness? So first of all, like like you said like you might need a coach to do this or whatever, but I mean, you can create you can create and this may be something that you know, we fucking produces a guide to creating Sacred Space to you know, our container for you to actually feel your Oceans so I think that it's I think that it is it is quite important for you to have. Well, this is my experience broad. Right? So if I was talking me of before I would say, yeah, it is quite important to be able to have those spaces where you can feel your emotions because you need to experience what it is like on the other side of feeling them because once you once you actually process that and integrate that then it Gives you that strong like cellular. It is cellular, but I feel it in my cells the strong cellular reference point, right? It's like this the neural Pathways will always point back to those fucking cellular experiences right point back to that. But so I think the breath is is what of course we have the conditioned like neural pathway pattern. Right, but then the breath to can a witness what is going on in separate ourselves from from that pattern living out that pattern to bring awareness to it to remember to then can I just go up neural pathway that is you know, not very healthy and probably not a good idea right now. Yeah, you know, it's the breath just kind of like rewinds that neural pathway takes it back. Back to his route and then re paths it right and goes boom. Yeah. So this is the because I know I know on a cellular level what it's like to just feel this now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah love it. Yeah that makes a lot of sense like it the breath like it creates the space to go somewhere new essentially. It's like when we're into reaction State then it's Old pattern condition reaction is that the breath can be liable? Okay, I can see what's about to happen. And I normally go left. I'm going to choose to go right. And then the yeah, yeah. Yeah, beautiful. Awesome. I'd love you to speak into your head on a frame it. I guess throughout your development Journey the importance of maintaining a physical practice. So having a strong physical practice whether that be through I know Jiu-Jitsu right now a lot of martial arts background. I know a lot of acrobatics but whatever physical practice it may be and if you've noticed the correlation when that's been strong and that practice has been consistent how its impacted your mental emotional Spiritual Development. Yeah, it's great that you asked me this question right now, right because I was just saying I've kind of of laps just a little bit with my training regime. Usually I train like five. Is a week, you know, that's not that's my Norm until I feel like I need a bit of a rest and I'll maybe drop down to three days a week or whatever always just in tune with my body though. And I am a guy that's like very fucking physical. So I do need like a lot of like a lot of the times you can just see that you tried to sit me down for too long of like my feet start twitching of it yet movement is my medicine, right? Yeah, bro, and so It is a lot easier and I think I feel like things I feel like that dropping into the breath and choosing the conscious path live in the moment. I feel like I feel like it is easier. When I'm in good physical shape and and I have I'm feeding my body regularly with all the endorphins that it gets fed with through exercising and when I'm running that chemistry in my body, I just feel like it is it just doesn't take so much effort. Yeah to like to do that to to draw that neural pathway back through the breath and then Realign it and go boom. This is the this is the pathway of I'm choosing and when I'm not in the greatest kind of physical shape or when I'm not like I don't have a regular physical practice. I notice that it does take that little bit like I will breathe deeper and I will hold the breath. I will hold the breath for that bit longer and I can feel it. It's almost as if the chemistry in my body when I'm X when I when I have a good physical practice, it's almost at it as if it just gives that gives the breath that easier Pathway to drop in deeper into my doesn't have as easy access when my body is tight tense. You know what I'm not when I'm kind of like it in my physical practice. So yeah. Yeah, bro. It's yeah, it's also like I just me personally when I feel like why in fact all of us, I think that there is the potential of us go and literally fucking insane if if we don't move right if we don't move like what me, what made to move? Yeah. Yeah. So so I do I do like I do. Yeah, I do Jujitsu regularly. Like I said, my normal training regime is about 5 days a week sometimes four, but when I feel like I Getting do need it that little bit extra space hold of the movie, you know two or three days in a week, but generally it's like five days and and then in between times like I'm I'm standing on my hands. I'm like doing different yoga poses. I love that. What's it called the like, what's that post called on my knees kind of like suppose child's pose? Yeah, exactly stretch out the shoulders and a lot of release from that. Yeah and just just like Moving around on the floor man. Just just flowing with myself. And also just allowing myself to like feel my body as well. I can just be like, yeah, it's really acquainted so that I have the map of my body in my mind and in my being so that I know like what I feel like right now it's also a part of creating that kind of intimacy and relationship with myself right really running my hands all over my body all over man and just like yeah just feeling it. Yeah, I love it. And I love it. Yeah, and and he's raised such a good point in that knowing loosening up and being able to feel your body because it's if you don't know what loose and movement feels like then you don't know what tension and stiffness feels like so I feel like a lot of people are walking around tense stressed and tight, but that's just normal because I don't know any different so it's like that. That movement in that Mobility creates that contrast it's almost like the equivalent of that emotional contrast that we spoke to earlier and then being able to have that and then feel that in your body. Yeah, I couldn't agree more and then that we would go insane if we weren't moving and I think I can remember where the quote was from but it was like if we're thinking more than we're moving we're setting up ourselves for mental disharmony. Does that move more than you think and they stagnant Lifestyles that were yeah, I know it's like and it just feels true to me that feels so true and it's that okay. There are very few issues. That can't be somewhat dissolved by a 15-minute run, you know at least alleviated a little bit, you know, so it's like as much as we delve in in this deeper work is important I love and and I think yeah why I resonate to to just to work. You're doing and what you're putting out is is it's always very grounded in that physical practice as well. And I feel like that it carries a lot of extra potency because of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for the for the observation. Thank you. I want to Circle back and talk into a little bit relationship stuff. But but more so you're a family man your father. Husband you're doing a lot of work in the world. You're on purpose you're providing your serving you wearing a lot of hats like how I'd love for you to just share even just your experience in terms of wearing all those different hats like how you've managed your personal work your connection to your purpose financially providing and then then your service in the world and then family man father. Husband so yeah, I'd love for you to speak into your experience with that because it's a no a constant struggle for for myself. I don't even have kids yet, but that that Harmony I don't really like the word balance. But Harmony amongst those moving pieces is is an art form. So I'd love for you to yeah, share some of your experience on that two of my biggest tools my man two of my biggest tools for that. Time blocking and transitioning in the words of Brendon burchard, right? Mmm. I'm blocking and transitioning and having and also well, let's put a third tool in there having a wide overview and been able to take the satellite view of things. Right and time blocking is so fucking important but equally important is transitioning between those time blocks, right? I don't know if this makes sense to I mean, yeah, so to speak, I just clarify a bit more. So time blocking means dedicating myself 100 fucking percent to one thing over a specific period of time that I will Mark in my diary at the beginning of the week. So last night I just did it Sunday is my day for time looking for the rest of the week. I just set my time blocks and okay. I'm not like rigid and I'm not going to get all guilty and shameful if I fucking, you know, Miss one thing or you know it I love for fluidity and it but the fact that I set it and I set the intention it's powerful and so like from let's just say for example, nine till 11:00 in the morning. I know that I'm writing for some clients right from to Tool. So from 11 until to I block out for the purposes of my Jujitsu training from 2 p.m. Until 5 p.m. For example, I will carve out for either. In creation for online teachings and courses and stuff or one on one coaching with with clients or even the delivery of online kind of course stuff, right and in between these I transition adequately right? So I will so after this conversation. I will close everything down in my laptop. I'll make sure I switch my laptop off. I'll sit here and I will can make almost ceremonially. Yeah, it's going to ceremony. Yeah ceremony. All right, I'll just sit here and I'll just take a couple of breaths and I'll click like or just revised in in the eye of my mind. I'll just look over everything that we've just done my really feel it and just take a moment to just like allow it to sink into myself and then I'll kind of close that book with great gratitude. I'll just play it cool. That's done. Thank you. Now. What am I moving into? What am I? What am I going to okay? Opening this book of Jiu-Jitsu, right? So I'm going to go and get my kit ready my top my shirts my water bottle just organize myself in that yet cool. But before I get off my arse right here and go and get all that stuff ready. Like what's my intention? Why am I doing it, right? Breathe into this set on my attention my intentions, right? This is why I'm gonna eat ya bum bum bum bum boom move into and just be as present as possible with it. I am Guilty of sometimes you are fairly often getting caught up in Social Media stuff in the middle of like if I'm going if I'm on my journey or whatever, I'll just find myself sometimes going through social media and whatever and if I catch myself being like Benji with it, then I'll return back to my intentions and stuff right now and I do of course I catch myself. So I just like return to me boom. Em, but then yeah again come on a training and I get the bus home when I come home and I unpack my stuff ready to put it in the washing machine. Whatever. I just do it again. I just do the thing again. I just close that book with a few breaths and just like give a gratitude when I opened my new book like, you know the next chapter from 2 p.m. To 5 p.m. Or might even break that down even more to 2:30 2:30 to 3:00 p.m. Right and just keep doing that. That's the way I do this. It keeps me sane clear very clear in my head. And and then also there's the part of the family part where by for example, you know yesterday. I took about people traveled from fucking Newcastle in the north of England from Aberdeen in the north of Scotland under my guidance to come to a plant medicine ceremony, right and in the end because of the Stuff I have gone on behind it. I fell into my body and whatever. Yeah, just shooting them with myself. And I was like, you know what man like I'm just not feeling this like I'm not going to do the ceremony. I'm just going to stick. You know, I'm going to keep my keep up with my responsibility of taking them preparing them and whatever and then I'm just going to come away and I'm going to come and I'm going to be with my family. Hmm. So there's that element as well, especially man, especially when it comes to funding right like if inside my heart and my mind my body my body's like Pulling me towards my family. Yeah, I'll just be like, yeah fuck everything else and I'm going to answer this call because it's clear to happen right now. So even so everything the time blocking all the commitments everything it will literally go out the fucking window unless it's like a really important commitment right like a client or with her, you know. Yeah, if it's like a coaching client on a writing client or whatever. Of course, I'll find a way to kind of keep that commitment and then answer the And but if not if it's like yeah, if it's yeah, like other things anything else training or whatever. I'm doing a ceremony for myself. Yeah. I just close that and go answer the call to be with my family. Hugely massive value those two things because time locking is something I love and do but that transitioning is I don't do as intentionally as like you say ceremonial stop and I'm sure it could take 60 seconds. I'm sure less stop breathe gratitude close it off cut any like just energetically physically close that down breathe sit and gratitude. Okay, what's next and presently move into that that thank you for that. I'm sure there's a lot of people that are listening saying thank you for that as well because I think the schedule is great but intentionally move, especially in this day and age. So many different things happening so many different hats to actually physically again that breath being the connection Point physically take yourself from one to the other and cats in the next room and she's probably going to be cheering being like yes transition so I can be sometimes it can takes time. You know, like if I'm in work mode and I don't switch off then I won't be able to be with cat. But unless I've intentionally and actually done that then you won't physically be there. So yeah, that was that was amazing. And one thing I didn't mention bill was the third element that I mentioned at the start which was the satellite view the can a bird's eye view. Yeah, which is like especially when it's to do with so when it's work or fan is generally it's either work or family, right? And and of course the self self nourishment through hobbies and stuff like that, but Like those are the two Strongest Ones work and family. So I will I will gain a bird's-eye view like so when an opportunity comes in or when something comes in, I'll gain a bird's-eye view of the situation. Like what is this serving as a serving my work or my family, right? And again, you know the self nourishment part and hobbies and things that I actually like to fill my own cup that comes into it as well, but I will only talk to work and family because of the to like, you know be strong. Guest and part of feeling like up anyway is being with my family, right? So, yeah, and so just getting like a bird's eye view and I kind of remember what is my intention like what am I wanting to go with my work? So for example, this this this this podcast right here, like it helps me to kind of serve people into and to get my message, right so and there's different there's different elements, you know, there's different elements. So it's connecting with you brother. It's it's also Having you as well, you know, and yes serving you but also serving all of you listeners. So like does it fit with the intention of what I wish to achieve and what I want to go and when I say achieve but just mean I don't really like, you know the championship. I just you know what I mean, like what I'm trying to establish. Yeah, and if it clicks then boom, you know, we'll go with it and we'll make it fit. Into the time blocking and make it work and that time blocking might be like a fucking three-month span of time. For example, if I'm creating like a course like you know, and and if not, then I'll just like respectfully and skillfully. Hit the exit door. I know yeah that powerful important to little word. Yes, exactly. Yeah, beautiful. Thanks, man. Those three points. Yeah some good reminders in there for me, and then some fresh stuff in there for me as well personally. So, so thank you. Thank you for that, beautiful. So I'm just mindful of time because I know you do have to get to your training, but I'd love to wrap up by a bye. Hearing a bit about what your vision is right. Now what you're what you're speaking and what you're bringing into the world in terms of your vision for what you want to create for your family for your work because I truly believe in the power of speaking and acting our Visions into existence but speaking it and sharing it. So I'd love to just give you the platform to yeah share. What's what's exciting right now? What are you creating? What are you putting energy into beautiful? Yeah. No. Thank you so much. I love And given the opportunity to see these words and for my family for my work. I love that. You said that as well you do that very well, bro. And yeah for my family like yeah, I'm in the middle of of closing the gap between my Peruvian family and and US basically they it's a lot of a I've set up until now I've felt it being like a lot of responsibility and I've kind of felt myself shying away from it a little bit right? I'll just be honest just learning something up until this year. I felt myself like kind of shying away from it because it just feels like a lot of responsibility and but it does feel it feels so part of my fucking mission not just my mission, but my joint mansion with my wife and that is to just close the gap between us here. Whatever we are in the world and my wife's Family over in Peru and what I mean by that is it's primarily Financial right? Because there's a lot of them, you know, there's a lot of dear dear beloved family members in Peru who we fucking adore absolutely love they when my daughter goes in amongst them all I just switch off and relax because you know, I just my nervous system just unwind because I just know how much care and love is poured into her when we go there. It's just that level of connection with them and but they come From Shanti time they come from a ghetto. I really fucking heavily impoverished and also crime-ridden area of Peru. And so yeah, we are currently like yeah increasing our financial signature in the world to be able to reach out and I mean, it's already started right? We're already given them some land over there mainly. And and we're already talking about like, you know bringing them over next year to visit Europe for the very first time I would be the first time that they're out of their country never fucking mind. Probably either neighborhood bro, like never mean, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, so that's massive on my heart and I can feel myself welling up a little bit as I say those words man. It's very very big on my heart and and yeah what else work-wise so I'm just I'm soaked. Towards helping, you know, heavily masculine men just soft and open and it says that's where I'm at on the main front. Like I just okay. Yeah, let's fucking smack each other in the face for like an hour. Yeah good. They were can do that but then afterwards like let's let's let's process that and let's move into everything that we've talked about in this in the small incision. That's Big M. And I've also this has been the year of reconciliation right reconciliation of family relationships personal relationships relationship with self and also relationship fuck relationships with Argentina as well. Which will this will be a you know plant the seed know we'll leave that for another day bro. But yeah, I've had some Journey with the country of Argentina and that's been reconciled this year as well, but big one reconciliation on all fronts plant. Essence man and I've been working with plant medicine since 2009 man, right? I've been working with Ayahuasca since 2011. I've been working with Partners is a long time and yeah, I've kind of gone through a bit of a journey with them and coming into this year. I was a no, you know, I'm not that's not what I'm going. That's not what I'm doing. But essentially I'm just denying myself my own truth in doing so right now I am where I am. I'm putting together a three months plant medicine preparation program. Man, I'm also running 12-month mentorships for people coming out of a plant medicine ceremony so that I can help them to integrate into their modern everyday lives, which is I told you, you know, I left some guys there at a ceremony yesterday pick them up this morning and they know that over the coming weeks. Like I'm here to help them integrate those experiences and bring them fully into everyday life. Yeah, man, and of course in the middle of all of that bro is, you know, one of the tools that I do. You use for these purposes for the integration and the embodiment of all the lessons is like heart Circle work secret sacred theater cymatics elements of breath work as well. And all of that is is part of the program managers part of what helps us to bring all the fucking plant medicine wisdom and lessons into our bodies and into our everyday lives. So that's that's Yes, that's what I'm out. Of course. Of course. How could I almost forget and I'm the I am the bridge bro. I am the like I just feel it. I know it I am part of a group of people in our world right now who are serving as the bridge between the indigenous and the modern and I'm helping indigenous spokespeople. I'm going to be with quit south suburb on Isla Mujeres in Mexico in about three weeks time, man, and I'm going to be going deep with that guy. I'm here. And I know that my standpoint will hold some levels of controversy. And I know that I will lose I am losing some kind of like friends. Let's just say or some like acquaintances and on both sides, but I'm right fucking in the middle man helping to to keep Traditions alive language alive, right and culture alive whilst at the same time integrating money making the modern world, you know, what is known in capitalism as progress right? Just making friends what just making friends with all of it and helping both worlds to come together. And as part of that I fucking absolutely love to see and to witness the Amazonian tribes that are like coming into the modern world and starting to speak to parliament's and Governments, and I'm there bro. I'm with them. I'm sometimes interpreting for them. Right? I'm sometimes translating things for them from their language to our modern languages. Yeah, and and oh and one thing also on that front, I want to just say because I know that there might be a few kiwis that listen to this but I fucking hold your country in the highest regard on that front because you've done it so fucking well and you continue to do it like So well to be modern but to hold your fucking traditions and yeah, this print was as they say this time. Yeah, I just I look at the kiwis and that the Maori I'm just say wow, these guys like it just fucking doing it doing it exactly The Thing uniting Two Worlds in their hearts and in their everyday lives boom. And so that's it bro. That's yeah, that's love it. I love it man. Love the vision. I love the passion and it's such important work and we'll have to tie up another conversation. Mission soon around those two things that you work with the plant medicine but also that indigenous reconnection and that it's just such important work that reconnection to the sacred for the people that are disconnected from it. And yeah, it's such important work to be doing in to have people like yourself being a bridge for it seeing both sides of the coin. It's it's it's really important in these, you know, what could be seen as chaotic time. So yeah, I just want to acknowledge you for that in the the role you play in that. Thank you, brother. Thank you. And before we wrap up, can I just acknowledge you as well? I just want to say that I was going to say they know this morning. We were talking before this podcast. But yeah, let's say it live on air right your your your heart your heart for the is fucking massive and I almost feel your energy like like an uncle or a grandfather. Like you're just always there in the background spilling and Bring your heart and your soul in your love into the world. You're always there. You just always there. I feel your presence all the time, you know, even when we don't talk, I just know yeah, he's thinking about me sometimes right? He's got my back, you know, and it's a quality that you know, yeah, it's very unique man, because I feel like your heart is the size of the world and the universe and Eternity like and it's just always there. It's almost like the great spirit bro that you just feel it permeating your world all the time you and your presence bro. That's how I feel you it so it's a very beautifully balanced feminine with with masculine expression and presence in the world that you hold and Yemen. I'm just grateful for for you always being here and for doing this man for doing this podcast and serving the world in such beautiful ways - oh, yeah. Thank you. Mmm. Thank you deeply deeply receive man. For those words beautiful. Well, we'll wrap it up there. Let's let's quickfire where can people find you. I'll have all your the link the links in the show notes for everybody who's listening. But yeah right now we're working people come and connect with you for some more MJB love love. Yes, cool, man. Yeah man, go get some mjv love and yeah, so my website isn't exactly a reflect. I feel like it's not going to doing Justice. This to exactly where I'm at in life right now, but it does give a good overview of what I'm doing. Maybe not in the most pretty manner, but you can visit that website. It's mer see - John thn Brown and bearded wnd.com. So that's mark - John Brown.com. My insta handle is just act Mark John Brown with no - no punctuation. Mer CGH in be a little WN my Facebook is Mark John Brown with no other punctuation, my am I My public page is marked. John Brown ancient ways real Humanity modern Excellence so he can swing by my stuff there. I post quite a lot on the socials and I do I do it with the prayer in the hope and the trust that it's going to serve a lot of people. So if you want to come and check it out. I hope that it serves you also. Hmm, and I highly recommend I'm always every time you sharing something the vibe is always you can feel the intention is to just raise the vibe and it's Always really honest and authentic as well. So I'm definitely go and check out Mark stuff on the socials brother. Thank you so much for taking the time and looking forward to ya doing this again real soon and that is a wrap. Thank you so much for listening guys. I hope you got a lot out of that conversation. I know I did especially that stuff at the end around transitioning in between time blocks freaking Game Change. I've implemented that and it's been serving me really well, so as always guys, I hope you loved it if you Share the love share this with a friend take a screenshot share it on your stories. 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Today’s episode was jam packed with both the practical and the profound. We dove into a variety of topics all linked to developing and embracing the full range of healthy masculine qualities and how that flows on to benefit both our work life and our family life. Key Points: - How taking radical responsibility was the key to overcoming a rough upbringing. Beginning to work with masculine men Tasting the medicine of our own hearts. Finding harmony in our masculinity. Facing our emotions properly. Using journaling to embody our awareness Processing Ancestral wisdom Masculine conditioning in society The positive effects in Marcs life from doing this work Making sure YOU are nourished first Why Breathe is key Where conflict actually arises from What should we do when we get stressed How a physical practice influences us How we can sustainably where lots of hats Time Blocking and transitioning Remembering our intention every day Relevant Links and Website: Marc-John Brown Marc-John Brown is a vastly experienced coach and writer who acts as a voice for both transformational businesses and for the world’s indigenous populations. He has walked the path of Shamanism for well over a decade and, in the world of modern institution and business, he originally qualified and operated as an interpreter and translator, before moving on to write copy for some of the world's biggest corporations. He then amassed an array of experience both succeeding and failing spectacularly launching and growing several corporations of his own. Nowadays, when not training jiu-jitsu, investing in cryptocurrency or tending to his only remaining property brokerage company, you can find Marc-John writing copy for some of the world’s most successful transformational businesses, as well as providing plant medicine integration and life coaching for individual clients, facilitating transformational group work, sitting in ceremony with ancestral shamans, or indulging in his favourite activity of them all - spending time with his beloved Peruvian wife and their young daughter.

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Maybe I haven't shit maybe this weekend to do shit. Um, but yeah, I mean, I don't know. You go JoJo. Oh wait. No, hold on. I just watch the fucking Lakers lose. They suck trade LeBron trade Anthony Davis trail of wrong. Yeah, it's Tank season now. Well, I only allow one loss and that's in the beginning of the season and after that it's like we should go undefeated. What's up with you Jo Jo: you sound tired? I mean, it'd be like that sometimes but she hasn't been watching the same old. Same old anime shit Read Manga all that good shit. Okay, okay. Mmm. Let's go ahead and take away the next part of Jojo. Yeah when you get home, I guess. Saying you know, yeah, I didn't want season one. It was a whole new world. Dang. That's cool. I haven't Googled it wasn't it? Wasn't it? Wasn't it was built. You know so much. Oh, yeah, I started watching conscious hero pretty pretty funny stuff now, yeah. Oh, that's the one of the top animates the this isn't it? It's kind of talked about it. Yeah, it's like a honey. That's cool. It's pretty good. Pretty good like it a lot. Yes. I want to watch. Okay, so as usual. So when we all know JoJo Garden next we on the news, you know, I'll talk about perfect. So Kingdom of season 3 is going to be coming out in April 20 20. I haven't watched this anime or read the Manga have you guys do you guys know anything about it eat? Wait I know of it. A whole lot about them. Yeah. That's that's mainly what I hear is a manga. Yeah, but I've only heard like kind of good things and then obviously I think people were since I got to see the threat how long has it been because I've seen in the article. It's it's like it was a wild since like years ago, right so I can see the camels a Longwell says it's a 13-2 comes after six year break for the anime adaptation. Of the hot. Yeah. So six years goddamn, I guess I would have gave up hope it's coming back because I was going to say that all I ever hear about us. So let's just been mad. Yeah. Yeah, it was crazy. And then like the animation looks kind of cool. Look, I ain't looking anything up. If it goes six here right now. They might go 10 years next time. We'll talk on find good the same thing. It will go on for four years. It was going back to bed. How long was one puppy rapid on punch was gone for they couldn't get that and now it's not gonna create. This was one of them. They got him up season to die, but not one punch, man. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I only know about the manga but people 2020 though next year. Um, yeah Kingdom. So if anyone can read in the appellants argument get the lads are starting so, you know, yeah cannot be lady. Yeah, have you read it? I've read into it. I haven't completely spoiled myself, but I'm kind of kind of kind of treading. Hey, I gotta know. Some things but you know Last Arc gonna bring wrap tutorial. It's is it just is that a manga like far ahead that the and my kind of yeah, I'm pretty sure the end of the season is going to end on a big event happening. Okay, because yeah, since it's already on the final are goes down like how long has this man been going and how far like is it into the story? Then what the anime? You know, it's far into it. But it's a some time has passed. Okay girls like oh, yeah. Okay. So he already has kids and stuff like that then cool, but it spoil it. Nah, I don't know. Yeah, I think that's pretty cool. I saw that Twitter that's people were like, oh damn already with the fine Arc. Yeah. Yeah, it's not one of those like super long running Mongoose cool a like monkeys. I should yeah, and I'm kind of mean and it's gonna be like one piece. I guess we should have said this but been then Saga Diana me episode this week got a delayed. It's gonna be next week. So yeah, we're not going to read it. Thank God. It's November 2 now on won't be one reason why I don't care about then. Let me selection. I just far force and this man said I hear no lies. The man said the one action episode about to go down he's want no part. So I for the past couple of uh, so it's it's been it's been I don't see been only watching it because the podcast a someone's got to be different bro. Someone can't be a green or a you can be a bunch of yes men that like in the same shit. Dang, nobody is a bunch of handsome. Yeah, you didn't call you. I just say anything. We're all worried and you be like yo, that's crazy. Oh, yeah. I don't know. That's what does not for me. I'm not saying this trash your bed. It's not for me. I don't know how you feel. Delete it. So yeah, they deleted and now this is a new release date that they updated everybody. Alright, so July 18th. All right. What no. Yeah. I mean, oh so this April Japan probably get like really laid down the line, but um, I've seen clips I've seen this on on Netflix don't know I haven't watched it but like I always scrolled past it, but I've been meaning to watch it just because the animation everything Dart looks pretty good. Pretty good. It's one of those I'm darting and no idea. I just seen I seen in the trailers unblock that shit like a robotic arm or something. Yeah, it's not slow Darter. So you have to really be patient with it. But it's a see I've heard that it yeah. It's Has like 12 episodes? Okay. Okay. Yeah, I've been mean check it out. Like I haven't watched thing about it other than it just looks pretty yeah and so is she looks like Siri, that's what mostly when I kind of like my cousin was saying like he thought it was a feat movie because it looked like Siri. I was like nah, that's not enough that it is. What about you Steve? Looks all right into this little this little series don't even know what it's about. What is it about Dad or know you I'm not gonna be no. I just I just thought it'd look nice. Isabelle Ste. Ste. I mean Jojo and that's crazy. It's post-war are so like she's trying like find herself, I guess in a way. So after the war she doesn't her arm kind of comes in from the or whatever. Some sleep. I think she'll try and like find somebody but oh, yeah. Yeah chill trying to find someone that she knew but the cutter our mom's having a hard time trying to find that person due to reasons try not to spoil. I've only seen the first three episodes like I don't know a lot so you don't know shit I'ma find someone that's important to her and you go to her back door. Oh, I like her. Okay. Yeah. All right this British Is that how about them actually going to check it out? Probably check out this week one or two episodes. It is slow to have to be very patient with it. But I've heard that it all comes around. That's one thing. I'm not is patient. That's why would you like to be warned? It's not gonna be you know, hey I said, I'll check it out and say I'll finish it. So I'm gonna check it out. Just last bit of news. I team romantic comedies snafus coming out Bring 2020. Yay. This is your what was your favorite one of my favorites one of my favorites? Yeah. So as soon as I saw those though, just gonna like this. Yeah boy this the end way of yeah, this is the end wait, wait wait, it says it says new key visual nudity. The trailer gloomy several bills for my team runs down through there. Wait the Mongols. That's right. My vanity of the ongoing TV and I may have to go have to be 24 episodes. Like they can't fit that into 12. I don't see it happening. So you're saying that they got a lot to finish it. What kind of encoding what season two ends after the student council of well, what happened is actually what the season called then it's really good dude and 12, but they'll be really badly crazy especially doing talking about. Yeah cuz like The monk is not even done yet. So are they just gonna Aunt to do some furniture condition fuck. All right, I'll be yeah she comes out spraying get ready for it. I guess you yes praying 2020. So it's gonna be quite a minute quite a minute. Yeah, but hopefully like you were saying because it's only the third season and if they are they have a lot usually I'm fine with four seasons and then it ended feel like if you and that three seasons and then yeah. Either money issues or dishes I want to hurry up and get this over with. I know the manga is like the manga just started last archive thing. So that's why I like wait unless y'all it's be through the shit out of me. It's very possible. Is there any like you think there's a lot of Point that's something I think the Japanese she's my Japanese might be done. I don't know if that's the case and that they already have older what they need and he just wishes. We'll find out I guess I'm down for it. Yeah, hopefully it's good. I'm pretty sure nothing nothing to alarm just that it's the end so you go cry about it after yeah, I'm gonna go cry about it. All right, you want to get into the questions people sent us? Oh, all right. We'll start with a captain Schmidt. He's uh question. I'm going to try to rework this because means You've had a tear in it had a pretty fun. Actually. He said I'm trying to reword it and then I'm like, oh, yeah, I can be surprisingly said do you have the feel do you have the need to watch the ending of a long-running anime? So like fairy tales about to be over it's been on forever and maybe like I'll say I think I worded that question. Right right your frontal part. Yeah. Yeah, so we're going to see the last thing is important. Yeah the last season like for if it's a long-running anime kind of like winter tails on the end. Yeah, it's almost over it's about you being it's like last couple episodes. The y'all filled the need to finish it or watch it, you know, so it seems like almost done. I'm gonna guess That he does it mean like go all the way through it. Let's say like Holly dropped it because of also fairy tales a perfect example. I'm kind of happy but that in there. So I do have the I have the feeling of wanting to finish it just because I'm like 200 something episodes in I dropped it and then I'm like every once in a while I try to re-watch it or like what caught up where I caught up and just finished all the episodes that we're at. Matt because it's about it's about a 10 so it's like a might as well. That's how I am with Walking Dead. Like I'm already this far into it. So might as well like just keep going but um, I don't think I'm going to me. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to I have the feeling but will I do it? Nah, probably not what L y'all get any like examples of were like a long-run animals that you jump back into just to finish. Maybe one or two toes getting okay. Yeah, because when the non to verse first revealed when what or who Toby was which was obvious it was a beetle. That's when I started. Billy you been watching Naruto for like two days and even know them. Well, they'll forget by the time they get that. Okay, since it's a tan I'm gonna leave that in there because I don't want to do it. But yeah, you were saying that guy you say Naruto you drop it or when that when that happened? Yeah, like stop watching it completely when that happened. I picked up where I left off and started within a month bringing them up. Okay. DJ that's probably don't I do that mostly with manga just cuz usually if it's like some long-running thing. I'm usually like at they're reading it or I kind of like no one else but you know, I don't have to like skip forward or whatever. But yeah. Well, I thought you don't like you like fairy tale. I read the Manga for it. So I didn't really feel a need to watch the episodes just cuz like I knew what happened and it wasn't really Literally that I don't really care about that much to watch it. But with mom died do that kind of a lot. So if I hear like good popular among is about the end I would just like binge all of it. Just so I don't you know, so I get the bigger story you're done whatever. Yeah, that's all torn up to, you know, ever come back to it and be like, okay, but what happens after this, you know, it's like that. Yeah. Well if it's good, it's good. So yeah, okay that those pretty easy. Let's move on to the next one because we do get three questions this week. This is by sauce, you know, he's in the Discord Community volunteering to K with him. He asked y'all can discuss our speculate why anime the rails from a manga or make changes there. Do you want to answer this one? She be reading and shit erase brough. Let me talk about arrays the ending of that shit. So arrays came out with like a couple of years ago and people were I have read the Manga for it. Um, and so the last episode diverges a lot from the manga one because while the while anime was out the manga was finishing the Last Arc and the animators had to create a Original ending because the manga Creator wasn't done and that's why the ending for that sort of feels would be rush and kind of cliche because I kind of like had like a company trash. Yeah. Yeah, it's all you peoples always put that over my head because I'd say but the longest get the mug is better crash where it is don't wanna be that guy but like it so much. Because I like the manga lot but like yeah, they had to like Russian ending which really broke my heart because I really like the show like one of my favorites for sure and the manga ending is much different and fulfills is very fulfilling. So yeah. Yeah, I feel it a lot and usually original endings are the best nine times out of ten. So yeah, it's sometimes they just want to be risky for the sake of it like doing their own original shit. Yeah, just like if it's a different person that's has no reason to be loyal to the manga they'd be like, you know, I'm going to change this up because you know, I'm I think my idea is way better and then they put it out and people are like yo, what the fuck what is this is win like that happens a lot in like comic book movies that you they'll change them. And in and like wait Sue's not blue. It's red. Yes. Sometimes I could happen to Nothing, bro. This is it can be done sometimes because it's been several different ones like Tokyo Ghoul how did he go? I don't watch the anime because yeah because Mommy told me that like you'll the first season is like so fucking stupid is so it is so it is so different from the old. I enjoyed it for not knowing whatever and then so then I think I try to watch a second season something happened where like I thought it was a second season, but it was like different animation or something like that and like wait, I'm confusing. I didn't know how it worked. I didn't know it was Tokyo Ghoul re or Tokyo Ghoul your nose. This is a nose to continuation. That one was and it was like no it's okay, so he had a different total different. Like animation and if you would H is so much. I have the I watching this shit. So yeah, like what shit like that happens a bit like even animation. What was it even that just like the one he told me it was like Michael is a whole like set up like plot or like like a it was like a main villain that calculated everything the way the way it's set up in the manga but in the In the anime is just all coincidence. Pretty good. Yeah, if you is it long-running like it done. Yes, ma'am. Now my like is it long? This is it's not like it's like Hunter x Hunter maybe doesn't wanna get like pop up pictures like a fun way. No. I don't do not have and it's the ones like obviously everybody's favorite one Deadman Wonderland bro. Stop goddamn the whole character from existence once I heard that and I heard like what them character doesn't sounds like a character that matter to know what good it was. roll, it was a very important task and then and then the one they did have that matter they like Didn't talk about them at all. Like didn't give them the reason to matter. Yeah, basically like oh no, what the hell dude the military dude. I've got his name. You know, I'm talking with the blade arms of big literally like helping him. Yeah. Yeah, they gave this man his own like little like much more important than that. God I hate it when they do it for like they don't actually change the story. They just changed the pacing of it like an armed force and shit. They just speech it up drastically on one piece. They slow it down and give them on the space top, right but when they just don't care just for the fuck of it today. And I'm already do it Deadman. Wonderland should have got a season 2 but Hoover her Nico says what are your thoughts about mediocre anime getting to instead of Transitions? Okay. Okay. I'll see it was supposed to be a lot better. But you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, and I had a hold them back. He's dead. He's dead season 2. Mediocre Mass. Isn't it can really think one the top of my head. Oh adiemus later best I got No, wait a minute. I'm gonna see the Train movie. Yeah, I don't even know what kind of season 2. She I'm fat. Oh, yeah. This is this period you foldable May - mm. Gotta season 2. Oh my God one punch, man, um talking wait wait Birds. Um, yeah. Oh, well, I guess I don't know if you put Tokyo Ghoul if he compared to the manga but then if you maybe talk about like oh she's into yarn. Dragon what about the wants the Dragon Ball Heroes are legends as I get to see too. I don't think so. I think that's something running. I don't have the same season. Yeah, how did I should get more than one episode? It's a commercial. It's like, um If it's like super yeah, it's funny because we're making that much but like I stopped watching it because Stephen black nails like yeah, I got a season. I don't know why they could have put that money towards. I don't know bro. Oh Psycho-Pass. I'm not so bad, but I'm off psycho. All right, I'm tired season one was all right, but then season to kind of popped off. So it was like, oh this is kind of like the time one of those like but mediocre. Oh nice surprises. Let's I don't know that go see the season one was low-key kind of boring at the beginning really was I know what The second half was fire. It did pop off after a while the like that run time. So, how do we close our roof? Yeah. I don't I'm not sure about how your Tails season 1 what very good very gone. What about I'm afraid of what about three guys. Try and watch this. And once I don't even the first episode was offensive. This is the school is all about SEO then since we're talking about feel like season one was season one was good. It was good it season two that really, you know Season what you know season with 25 episodes, right? Yeah that include the other Arc with the fairies. Yeah. That's all can we do part one part two? This is just fucking popular. Yeah, that's just it I got from my mom for my snow bold believe you can't you can't tell me about a very gone until it has this theory that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I think those are the safest ones can really think about like a bad anime getting another one is usually like one time it might be and then again it might be some this is subjective to because you might think like my hair is super trash and they got like four seasons. Well I'm saying no I'm saying them. I enjoyed my hero. I take it for what it is. No, it's nothing too crazy. Yeah, what's up? What's up best like other like question if you flip this question and be like, what are the some like like, why did what are your thoughts on like really good animes not getting the season 2 don't do that AKA Deadman, Wonderland. Don't do that. Did I get another one? Huh? Did that not get another one? No, it just one one seasoned well, and it did it cuz they the they kind of screwed up some very important plot points. So I'm not surprised good same thing with the demo. Yeah, like like me. They think the ending was the same but things before that change like certain people kill other certain people and that becomes a big point in the next season, but can't do that if you know that doesn't happen. So yeah, it was wounded. Is it all during the other - yeah, and I'm up in the sky. He is something that was good. Then it got one season, you know, and then he's just gonna hold it here. Literally nothing. Yeah. Yeah, like there's been no words of the coming back. Yeah. There's like literally nothing. In fact I have Paper Mario monster super manga for this shit. Thank you. I think it was at the last one. Let's get into the anime reviews here. Oh, um, what do you what do you want to start with that fire Forces Week? Dr. Stone and my hero, I don't take any notes. I'm going to need some. What is wrong with my hair? Okay, let's just is this on this is my hair. So He went on well reading over my hero decide to go on break after the fucking third episode came out. I know it's alright, you're already doing the shit. Right? And so yeah, so now we jump into episode 4, what was the beginning of the Steve? I remember something like well, yeah the cumin and Mario Mario World marking on there, you know working steady business on petroleum norms and rat right there just ended up and then they bump into a little girl with a weird-ass horn. Hey weirdo. All right, the crowd is a grass. I'm like help y'all. He's dumb. Okay. So the whole time I would never remember don't like he was saying in his head that he was like, all right, we can't let him figure out that you know, we really yeah, I need to say that was my mother's name overall was there he came that's my daughter when we have her back. yes, he's still had his Mass his mask off and Not only that this man deck you started questioning like she's kind of scared. I'm like, what are you doing? Y'all about to die India like so that yeah, that was like the most part like I was kind of mad at dick you so you don't know how I don't know how to be like secretive. Oh, yeah. It was about the bloated cover. But I mean, it's Tommy did he he didn't give it away that they were. All right, right, hugely. It looks like he was about to give my God, you know, you saw them like a big girl. They're running it would have been the girl's fault because she over there help he held on and then they were so then after that I guess there were walking in the alley some reason he was saying something like I'll do a bottle, but he's helped I gave them some excuse to discuss some clothes embarrassing some embarrassing situation with his daughter. Yeah. He said I'm back. No, I may be a hero, but I'm not dumb. But yeah, so and then he started like grabbing his glove and shouting it was so sure that all these these guys aren't gonna be able handle overall handle that so she obviously she knows what he can do. She scare you but yeah supposedly she's she's like the main biggest reason of the Season she's very important. Yeah. I kind of like I told you I kind of got spoiled with like she does whatever because we talked to be easy option to talk to me. I don't think he was just gonna spoon the whole fuckin season. Yeah has happened before. No it was because it is that's why I was I was mad like the first like time. Wonderful happening now is that they basically went back to the teacher and totally get what happened. Yeah, bad bubble blah and then I think we see overall. Oh, yeah, we see over how bring her back to the base or somewhere. Yeah. And again, I just remembered the guy was like one of the guards. She's like, I don't know how I should get out just like right past me or something and then we're not just killed him while I call down. Yeah, get up right now and I do try to make an excuse. Yeah, boy. That's it. I ain't trying to hear all that. Yeah, and this is the part where it gets a little When I forget I forget what happens in the middle branch of the what happens after that. Thank you gets like he gets bothered by like not being able to say after girl plus knowing that all my didn't wasn't planning on giving him his power. So he was struggling in class and shit. Any find all my head like I talked with whatever now my had it all my had to tell him like yo, like what happened to him in his medical practice in sidekick sidekick? Yeah, you pretty much the side hit got mad at him for telling him. It was going to pass it his power on to some kid, which it was Deku and I'm way better the first tools uh-oh. His rib cage from smack don't ya and he was like you he saw his future he was like, you know, if you don't return my yeah. Oh, yeah, so he tells them that and then like he told the deck you and that girls like, you know, he does what he does such crying like we're going down promise me, you know all that shown in shit. But yeah, I remember that part all this shit was like damn. Oh, but then he got mad at them again for not giving us power to marry you like. He said he was he just I would be mad to be like, he said yo, I'ma give it to this top notch. I'm like LeBron James of his class and then he just happens to walk by a milk middle schooler, but no Talent at all. He's like, all right. Here you go. That's the butt but he wants Be a hero. Okay. Yeah, so then zap em needs of getting mad at about he's like, he's teacher whatever that's why I'm so it doesn't settle down they break apart because of that shit and and deck is now his like sidekick now or he has his powers now, so I'll so he's mad about that shit too. So yeah, and now there's more that's pretty that's pretty much at the end but something ends up happening even after this because every oh they were so I guess at the end he was saying like, oh just ask them to check your future out again to see like to change it see if it changed. Yeah. Yeah because he thought he was Die against other all from one the second time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the thing is when uh, foresight guy. What is his name Hawkeye nighttime, when not I saw his future said he was going to die. It was supposed to be like six or seven years into a future. Not too sure. Yeah, when we six seven years in the future now, yes, he said it's like either this year or next year or something. And the fight with all for one just happened. So he thought it was going to be done. Then they had a little touching moment my God, I thought I was going to die, but I thought are you Deku I survived. I guess that's nice man. How old is he often? Mommy? Oh my oh my sorry thing about thank you. I'm gonna be 39 you like me 30 is the thing. That's crazy. No messing around 38 40 soon. Then he has a sickness which makes them look like 80. Yeah, that was pretty much the episode, right? Yeah it was. She's like it was in it was more like all right, they're setting stuff up. We haven't seen I don't think we haven't seen any action right and these four episodes. We saw people die in one hit so I guess that doesn't really like but now Mother preview was supposed to be not about that. The next episode is not about Declan. Yeah, not true. So it's going to be good to tell me it might be. Hey, that's all I'm not I'm not the cool bit on the hero of the next episode. So I know that if I don't I'm not saying I don't like him. going that may be about to go in a total. I'm kind of mad you like fucking you. Only could see he got hands and he's he's not ugly dumbass. Next episode is for it to turn up. So I can't really judge it on being bad or whatever. It was. Like with Jody was saying this like nothing really cabin into crazy. Yeah, you'll get like a little bit of action except for so will I know it's him, uh-huh a lot more than what we got for the past two episodes. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to fire force. I remember that one a lot better because it's Join this election and whole lot of dumb shit happen. So yeah, fire Force episode 16, they're still at the junkyard of well-spoken Wilkins place. So yeah, so now they're going to I guess Shinra had that warning that from His Abdullah was the cold Dola Dola Dola. Yeah from Liz little special ability that pretty much warns him books on go spotter says but we're far. Yeah, and he has Vision even even when they said trying to explain it. He was like he had a vision like ears look like Futile thing Ellen, but even before that there was a funny part where the little kid makes like a little Gadget and it gives them to Vulcan, you know, guys you froze that shows it be like tested as I was. All right, but wait, what's a she's a you pull much it. So because you're like, you know, it's funny, but he was real and he says something like that the car to break down then shit out of luck. And things break down like you shouldn't be able to break. Okay, that's what he's that's why he's like school that that she probably knows what's good. Um, so yeah, I guess after that some small shit happens where like they talked throughout the first couple minutes and listen. I'm trying to get through the first You all remember? What happened sit in there. Are you gonna remember they were there they discuss that like yo, I'm going to check out what the fuck that Vision was about. Y'all go back until oh, yeah, you know more about the pulling off and then we see The general that we saw from last episode forget which company came from look out the bird out of the room. Okay. So yeah, you see him with a couple of dudes in the forest. Basically just how I'm like, yo, we got to pull up and then they were like in there - our force and he's like, you know, take that shit off road. We were representing the fucking Templars from Assassin's Creed exactly. What so yeah, they're all hail the Evangelist these are going off. Then like, you know, she's about to go down. So I'm actually getting I was okay. It's about to be one of the pull-up episodes but and then they're trying to tell Lo Volcan Iris and Arthur, uh and pretty much he didn't believe him at first and they look outside that yo looking bunch of night to dude standing outside. I know while this is going on in the forest shinra's fighting the captain. And he had like some kind of move we're like his hand could fly or whatever sure. I got jumped by the captain Chase get fucking electrocuted because that's all happened in the force. Should we keep trying to fight that is true like he's out your I'm the captain fighter bro every one of them and yes every one of them. I'm pretty much beat them down but something special. Oh, so anyway, this is where the episode is where the episode started becoming really good because I started laughing my ass off. So Arthur pretty much said hey, yo, I need I need something better. Like he shows them the his power is weak and he's like yo, I need like something that looks like a sword someday. I'd remind me that I'm a knight because when I I think I'm a night my power grows and like him Image showing like you he's like picking up the Hammers like yeah, this is this ain't it? He's picking like other things and it's like it's not doesn't look like a sword and Vulcans like so all you need to do is make him think that he's a knight but and like it shows them like making something you're all he's about a crate like some badass fucking sword or that's why I thought like I thought was amazing badass Gear. Well, there's steps out and you see him like in a cape. Even the people in the inside the girls they were like wait, you just put on a fucking blanket on and that's the way he came in the like you look so cool, like, you know at anime intensely. I had a actual horizontal my oh shit. Well boy the night night. Yeah, it'll fucking cook a donkey on his pants. So the railroad My Boy hasn't donkey. Yeah, that's his pants. In his mind it was he was likes like he had a bunch of armor and stuff. But before cute little white knight, he thought he was God it's all you have to do is make him think and he then he took out his sword and he's more focused wrong, bro, man will one side and shit like goddamn doing the wind Scar from inuyasha's just so anyways, I ends up destroying I guess those bunch of those dudes were like Illusions wipes. I wanted to flag. Like a mirage like sort of so he's fighting like one of the generals or some shit like that one of those soldiers. Well, you've Angeles. Yeah the guy with the mess. He'll take another tool. Yeah. Yeah sticking onto but you mainly hand to hand with the big dude like so weird, whatever the fuck in the end. The other do would like to supporting whatever. Yeah, they have gone fighting and shit. I forgot what ends up happening. Our birds are be mad. And then the the illusion is a show. It wasn't real or something Sophia. It's like he's into like a copy of our four and then Harvard image of himself broke. Yeah, he was sad like his horse look like Marlo not even a horse. That's a dog. So yeah, well this shit so then he gets even crazier because we get a look inside what's going on and the girl I believe. Name's Lisa Lisa and so fucking fucking fire blast this dude woken and in the uh the kid and then tells iron stove Citrus situations down and pretty much cheese. She's like a double agent or some shit. She pretty much got sent to jail find some key some Kia and it's been like years or some shit like wherever wherever they like they first met she's been sent to like gain his trust and shit. Something like that. Yeah, they keep saying like, I don't know what the fuck you talking about. You have no key and so yes for now they're getting mad and then the captain pulls up. What happened to Shinra. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's why And so basically they just keep asking where this key. Oh and like he kept saying no and then then the fucking cat can like The dog breaks off a home grabs a the kid like choke slams. I'm against uh the wall and like he's like, yeah, he's going he's going to die. If we don't hurry up and tell me in like you see him there like laying like gasps we can spray is it? I don't know. I believed them too. I don't know if he said it or not towards the end. But like I don't know if he'd really does that. He even the campsite you serious y'all done. You just don't really don't know God damn. Either give me he like he be hacking and slashing and beat down all the door and said he's tired rhyming. She has whole shit. Y'all made this man. So becoming a fucking rapper. Yeah, so now he's mad and started beating them. But what ends up happening at the end because like he was hitting something right, but he did he was hitting that metal thing that he showed sure in the crew and it didn't break. He like. What the fuck wait a minute. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they'll illusion thing don't like the very end. Yeah. Yeah, so then that's the pretty much the end. He's getting mad interested in it. Right? Right. We all talked about how he shot up. You know, you're so old kid. Yeah. He shot the kid. That's what that's what I said when he chokes on Don gets the wall with his hand. He just said it because I seen that Everyone's pulling up but I like crab so 16. It's like what 20-something 24? Yeah don't 3, I feel like my body's had enough Lauren. She should battle matter Papa. I want to see my want to see more like inside what they're going to be talking about one more political stuff government see what the hell's going on with the that company or whatever and then we still Joker there's a lot of stuff they need to start like one thing. The Evangelist in the Judgment of the German one thing. I kind of feel like no hundred percent. Okay. Yes it member I was telling you I was like, I think there's just one thing. That's how I got about it. Um, but yeah, then you got Joker I still don't know what's see made it seem like this is in the beginning. He made it seem like he knows what's going on and let go it's a plan whatever so, I don't know what the hell and he was talking to the scientist. So I don't know what's going on. It is a lot of questions still that wanna start answering. Sorry heading towards know I liked riding over it the story ends with some shit pretty good episode. I think I know what y'all thought. Bye have fun Hill's art Ela betrayal. It's funny action. All right. What's next good dog doctors don't understand episode 19. So after the stone Wars, you know, they gather the group of fucking mr. Villain guy keep forgetting his fucking name. But yeah, so after they fought the village of last episode. I guess they started to group up again and head back. Let me see actually want to pull my mama. It was immediately after the spear broke after old dude Spirit broke. He was like now y'all might have had me today if that was my real plan. And then they turn around the villages on fucking fire Candace. Come pink-haired girl just cart Wheeling around I definitely skip the the part that I meant to say they show mr. Did what we talked about this. Yeah his hands up she's showing So you is like this town Village area and you see how they are like living in shit and I'm not gonna lie. It's it's pretty cool. It's like they're not living on. I like a dumbass Island like the other Villages and senkaku have it's more like organized and he just pretty much says he's saying pretty much fucked science, but it still living he's like, okay. Yeah, I know. There's a reason for that too that they're staying there too. I'm at in that like cave-like later Don the episode since he was like, yeah, we need gunpowder and we made it was called the the oil that the Revival oil and the reason why he's like Reviving so many people's because he's at the cape where it's at and like you so yeah, I was damn like He makes sense because I was just thinking like in this episode like I wonder if they could get more people but he would like he said like we need to make more of that shit will take a long time. I was that oh, yeah, I forgot. So yeah, we don't we don't know if this is even like all of his troops are about to pull up. So yeah, I like see was saying distraction was at the bridge and this is what she starts going crazy. I thought I liked this is Are you like in the beginning of the episode where should start going down? Because I guess it was a distraction where we see a girl lining The Village on fire. She can come behind in swimming. And what was it? Yeah, so she said up the fire of the village and she also sets the fire on the bridge for them to escape which I thought this was funny because last episode I was like yo, like what happens if they take the bridge on like it what happened, you know more I remember saying that I'm like they took it down bro. Yeah funny you mentioned that laughter and I am and I laughed because I thought of Jojo to guys like I knew here but sick. So yeah, so I guess she's special like she's not like these other dumbass recruits that they have like, huh? Like I was saying she was like she can handle Own so Shane's up like I guess swimming on the other side making a fire and then like does all this other shit and she could can't do this combat shit because it was a kohaku she tried to slash her but she like doing this somewhere something so much salt so above her and she like, okay. Yeah. So yeah, she's a badass but gymnast gymnast. Like I'm like where the village is gone on fire. They're really like the league of villains. Crazy, they they hold Villages transfer. I mean, I don't blame them because they like they weren't meant to fight but the other one like I'll never get my rear foods to be Chief. Well, yeah, but why? Mm and just the audios. Yeah. I remember them and seeing them motherfuckers like these before. Yeah these these These are the dudes did I gotta remember it everyone sort of like have like Eternal Primal nature. So like they don't understand like this. Haku and other people that were trying to guard The Villages the villagers and like I'd believe it Suka the girl the with the watermelon head so she like she wants to help so she ends up like distracting some of the guards and then running away and through all this like they were like, we only need one hostage and because they know like if they capture one they The wind because you know try it they know like for and yeah, you're not to do that shit so ends up running away. She ends up running towards them that gas Valley from the other episodes that we watched where like, it's poison flower. It's the what's it called? But yeah, it's basically poison gas and we're going over there. Why ends up happening is kind of how cou grabs her but the mask on and they jump on the tree and And I think setting to has mass and basically yeah them outside it all the stupid-ass villains. They end up like trying to jump on the tree where they can't whatever but we still see what's the other dudes the Randy? Yeah. Yeah that dude fucking bad ass, dude. He's resting. Yeah Mass guy other sitting In like everyone's pretty much did they die they should have died some of those back up guys would do. Okay. Yeah, he got them off the tree to find out because they have the little what they think the gasps looks like whatever their head. I don't know. It's like a creature every time they see the gas and then yeah, they end up like dying. I remember now. So yeah, he more fucking killed his own people. So damn you right and then I'll what did they Retreat or they just let him go because from there on I don't remember it so you don't think you could just walk away. So he Gone, basically and I guess they went back to the Village because they start wanted to rebuild things. Yeah, so that's why I was confused. I was like wait, so that's all they had like the gas. I don't know. I guess he just stated stood up there longer than that what I expected but yeah, I guess that makes sense. So they made it seem like they went back right away and then they started rebuilding so down. I imagine you getting attacked all about rebuilding I'm basically found out late at that point that that they need more people to they gotta get. All right away, which is crazy to is like when I think about it, like damn all this for that villager and they really want to kill this guy. They really hate science bro. They really hate science. They don't try and bring guns and gonna bring violence and crime and is so we gotta end it with violence. So this is a time where like sank it was saying like yo, we need more the acid and our gun the gun powder and stuff like that. But like he's in the he's in the cave and and like they need more of it. That's why they haven't been able to recruit like that other dude the villain guy the bad guy. So yeah, he was saying it's towards the end and it winds up happening is that In order to fight back. I think he makes a suggestion that they got to make something else that it's a pretty much she says they're going to make a cell phone and I it even Jen's like wait is he crazy bro? Like it's stupid ass face, like out of all the things you want to make ya'll wanna make a fucking cell phone and I was kind of on his side that you don't want. You don't want to no guns. No well thing is like he can't make any more gum power because the thing that that he requests that required to make them power is the thing that caused the has That's like no armor. No, like darnay. No, nothing. No like cell phone. I'm but I mean he meant he's gonna have to try to plan it out like he was saying like now they're gonna communicate they haven't done it yet. But that's the plan to make a cell phone. Yeah, and it all ends the get the phones to hide and they show them they look like from the silhouette. I don't know if it was like them for real. Like he's imagine it that they're still alive, right and they actually fucking dead now, but they look fucking like the heroes now, we won't see what hopefully they will see him next episode because like I was saying I've been wondering where they were Bro Look wanted to know if they were still alive chilling. So yeah, we're going we don't see them pretty soon, hopefully. So it's so they did it's enough for dr. Stone. I'm enjoying it. Yeah, I like. Better action better just development the story. Yeah, there was pretty good episode way shit. Was it better than last episode what happened last episode? Anyways that Village that builds that Village seems pretty good. He was better. Don'ts knows my pretty good pretty good. So 19 when we got like a couple more alright, 2625 episode and shit. Nothing more. Are they can probably wrap up a think you do it. So I mean, do you know where it's gonna end up leaving off Georgia? Probably? Yeah, okay if we get episode what y'all thought that's on it. I'm saying it's pretty good. It's pretty sad to have to make sure I asked you out twice JoJo solid. Oh Sally toe. Okay, and that's it. That's all we got. We got no villain Saga the this week we killed this episode and there's only like one hour 10 minutes something like that. But before we wrap things up y'all got any last words us. the Charlton everybody for listening Yeah, that's it. JoJo you anything else a this week? But the go watch a common super the movie Super heard some mixed reviews, but above don't see how it is true. Yeah. I mean I got nothing else to say I appreciate sport. I noticed after the Courtney jumped on the pod. I know what's up, bro, but I see the support rising and we appreciate it.

On This Episode of Otaku Summit, The guys talk about Kingdom anime coming back after 6 years since season 2 and Vinland Saga already starting its final arc in the Anime News section. They get into some Otaku Questions (@ 16:00), The first question that was sent in said: "Do you have the need to watch a long-running anime when it is the last season?". The 2nd question asked Chaos, Jojo and Steve, "Can yall discuss or speculate why the anime derails from the manga and make certain changes?". The last question that was asked to the summit was, "What are yall thoughts on mediocre anime getting season two?". The anime reviews start off with My Hero Academia episode 4 (@ 35:00), They group talks about how things are still getting set up for the future episodes. Things heat up with the second anime review Fire Force (@ 47:00), The characters get pulled up on and we get some action but the summit wants some answers! The last anime review is Dr. Stone (@59:00), A big battle has happened and Senku needs to find a way to gain an advantage. Thank you guys for the amazing support that yall shows us every week, Hope you guys enjoy this one!

If you're listening to this you obviously like podcasts and you probably like music to on Spotify. You can listen to all of that in one place for free. You don't need a premium account on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode download episodes to listen offline, wherever you are easily share what you're listening to with your friends via spotify's Integrations with social platforms, like Instagram Spotify is a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now just search for empty frames on the Spotify app or browse podcasts in your library Tab and follow me. So you never miss an episode of empty frames Spotify is the world's leading music streaming service and now it can be your go-to for podcasts to On March 18th 1990 the most audacious art Heist of all time took place at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston. Check out season one of empty frames for a 12-episode dive into the Gardner Heist this season, we will be exploring other art crimes and significant moments in the art world before returning to the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum. This is empty frames. Welcome back to empty frames. I'm Tim here today in the crawlspace studios in worm town with Lance. What's up Lance? How's it going Tim? It's going well today and Lance's, you know. Is our season 2 season finale and what a great way to go out. First of all, it feels really good to be here. Yeah in worm town and our little black box and we were joined by the muddy river fact Checker and he sat in front of the mic and he got into some of the details that have been sort of working us a bit about the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum Heist and Shirley irking him. He has been mentioning these things and and tweeting about them and we Really get into the mine. Usha here Lance of two moments in particular, right? I think we couldn't have done any more than that because getting into the minutiae might be putting it lightly. The muddy river fact Checker is an extremely detailed individual and we get into the crime scene photo of Rick abbath who is duct-taped and handcuffed down in the basement of the museum and we go through the details of that photo really pick it apart and yeah question why and how For the most part and check out these photos in the show notes and we'll try to put them on our social media and such as well. But the photos are really weird it you see some of the positioning of the duct tape. It's it's sort of weirdly wrapped around his head and then there if you really look into it, there's these things around where he's sitting like a knife that's odd have a little knife near where this guy is tied up and and open pocket knife. That's just one of the many questions that the muddy river fact-checker raises and to find these answers. I mean, we don't really know any of these answers because we haven't spoken to obviously the people who taped him up or to Rick Abbott's so but the questions are raised and it's something that I think if anybody is interested in the heist will realize that they've had these questions as well. It's just you needed someone to say well, why is it this this way, right and the second part of this chat with the muddy river fact Checker or muddy as we call him is we go into the mine. Ooh. Sure, once again on the night before video and this video was recorded the about 24 hours before the heist took place on March 18th, 1990. And this is like a security video that happens outside the Gardner Museum and then you can also see a couple of the guards inside the museum and again, it raises some questions why it was released when it was released and what's going on in the video itself. And the irony is that we call him muddy, but he actually does the opposite. He's trying to clear up the the mud. He's trying to clear through the muck. So we really hope you enjoy this conversation. It is as detailed as it gets you need to check out the video and the picture and stay tuned to the very end. Listen to what we talked about and stay tuned to the very end. We give an informal review of the sister podcast to the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum Heist last scene, so it's an informal review that you're You want to hear? Okay, so that's it for season two Lance enjoy this conversation and we will see you in a few months for season 3. All right, welcome back to empty frames. We have a very special. Guest in studio today it is the muddy river fact-checker somebody who checked in with us several times over the course of season one and gave us all sorts of nuggets of information if there was ever a question as to a detail or some part of the investigation or even a theory the muddy river fact Checker was there for us. So thank you, sir for being here nestled here in the crawl space 2D. I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you guys and work with you guys on it so find someone else who's interested. Yeah, thanks a lot for really helping season 1 and for your continued help throughout the course of this podcast. So we really appreciate it. Thank you why such interest in the case? I stumbled onto something that was related to the case and people that I thought might have been involved. And so then I started looking for looking at all the evidence and trying to fit in and didn't conveniently fit into what the narratives were going that we're going on at the time in terms of who did So I decided to look into it more and try to see if I could really I would have been relieved to eliminate the people that I thought were involved but I wasn't able to do that and then I kept looking closer and closer and and then I found that it's kind of a rich topic and there's a lot of history involved and the more I looked and sometimes I would really look and I would see something different. So for instance with the crime scene photos, which I guess we were going to talk about. Today the first thing that hit me was I don't think the crime scene photos have been in the public domain for that long. I think maybe around 2013 or so. Ah, so but I'm not sure but that's pretty much when I see them showing up and prior to that. They would people would say, oh the guards were gagged or you know, they were manacled or different things and and people didn't question it. Well, you didn't really have a picture to compare it with and see you know, if that was what you saw was what was being Reported and I wasn't really that skeptical about it, but I am eat. But the first time I remember looking at it was in closely was in 15 around the time of the anniversary and it was the photo that's taken from a bats left side and you can see that he's smiling and the smile struck me as being similar to I don't know if you know there was another case the Charles Stuart case about six months previous. Yeah, and that was a case where Charles Stuart killed his Wife his pregnant wife and shot himself in the stomach and I remember prior to it coming out that he had actually done it. He claimed to have been a victim and she had shot himself in his in the stomach and gave his brother to the gun. Right so and there was this Harold photo that was quite famous at the time of tabloid photo. Remember seeing it in the Boston Herald and it showed him in the car being rescued and I remember thinking that his face didn't look right that there was a smile on his face and and I also if Look at that crime scene photo of a bath. He's smiling so I can kind of imagine the photographer saying oh big smile, Rick and Rick smiling, but given the fact that he he supposedly being there for seven hours. But but I was already looking at this as someone who's suspicious. I just want to interject real quick, you're saying that he's smiling but he still has the duct tape wrapped around from his chin up over his the top of his head and then around his nose to the back of his head through his hair. It looks it's like a like a medieval mask, right? He's wearing and he's smiling through that. So when you give the hypothetical that the photographer says, oh smile Rick, I would probably if I was in Rick's position and I've been there over night. I would probably go. Hey, can someone get the goddamn duct tape off my face first, right? Right. So I think it's a good be smile. Maybe he's smiling through gritted teeth. Maybe. Yeah like he's come on motherfucker. Yeah. I think I would think he would be kind of it would be sort of a weary smile. Yeah, right and so it never It never occurred to me that so I'm looking at that I'm going I don't really think that doesn't still seems a little long incongruous that he's smiling that that but then never thought that wait a second. He doesn't have any tape over his mouth. He could have he could have actually spoken. I probably probably didn't occur to me till a couple of years later that just having a piece of tape wound around your jaw does not make it so that you couldn't speak and he's not in any sense gagged. It's a really bizarre formation. I think we talked about this a little tape. Right, the the duct tape on Abbott's face and head is very very strangely you instructed. I would say I've never seen anything like that. I wouldn't imagine anybody who is gagged and duct-taped to come out like that. Like it just doesn't doesn't compute to me. Well, it doesn't have any function from for doing what it's supposed to do except for right? It's not covering his eyes. It's really if you look closely it's really there's more covering his eyes. Well, he has one strip the piece that goes around his jaw is One strip and it really only just barely makes it around to one time. So I mean if you just worked your jaw a little bit, so I really find that and it's also very smooth. So I find it doubtful that first of all, it has no function really in terms of like keeping them quiet and it doesn't look like it is he's been had that with that smooth tape that he has moved his jaw and that it's actually been on there for 7 hours. Yeah, that's a good point. And there's it looks like and I don't know. It looks like down here. Maybe that's his shirt or down by his chin there. You see that little piece of gray. Is that his shirt or is that a piece of the duct tape? That could have been around his mouth? I'm like, I've always yeah, I'm not sure what that is. That looks like kind of like maybe a caller he had an extra piece of duct tape. Oh, no, I think you're right. I think it's probably the shirt. It could be either. No, I don't think it is the tape. I think it might be more of the shirt that's coming through. But if you're there for seven hours, you know and giving them the benefit of the doubt then you would like I said kind of adjust it yourself. Even if you couldn't get your hands out. You would move your jaw you would so I could see like it not looking the way in this photo that it looked when the person put it on him. Like maybe the one that goes around and is kind of covering his nose in the photo originally started by covering his eyes. Okay? Well, let's take a look at that as if you look at the other photo the tape that's covering his eyes. Sorry to interrupt. This is from the right side. Yeah. Yeah, it goes underneath his ear now. If you were going to put tape over somebody's eyes and the purpose was to put our you wouldn't go under their ear. You'd probably make sure you had a good seal over the top of their forehead and then wrap it around that probably hook it over the ear. Yeah over the year take it in. Yeah or across doesn't but not but I mean putting it under the years not really a sincere attempt at covering the eyes. And in fact, he says that he could see well, yeah, and he claims that because of the Heat and Perspiration from the boiler that the that the tape had gone down but it goes down uniformly and if you and it never really goes above his to his to his forehead. So really if you put tape across somebody's eyes. I mean, I think if you were doing that you'd want to stay away from the eye area. It's okay. And so to me, it just looks like a very honest and sincere attempt at covering his eyes Lance Let's get you a wig. Let's get some duct tape will go to the boiler room right across the hallway. We have one. We have one will set you there for about eight. Eight hours. What song do I have to hum? I will he says it was I will be released but I think it was you can't touch this bye-bye because I was climbing the charts, right? Yeah. I'm game give me 14 years to grow hair like that. It will just get a wig. Well, how about a simpler one is just putting the tape. I mean after seven hours he has his feet his to sneakers are touching and he has tape around his ankles and the pants are still crimping from the tape. Now, I think after seven hours of sitting there you would you know, Someone who's a wrote, you know in a band and it's 23 years old and works to security and is reasonably strong legs can put could be able to stretch that tape out so that it would if you to put your legs together like your feet together like that it would sag. Yeah, it wouldn't just be able to crimp. I mean you would think he'd be trying to like free as legs are just be able to move his legs. I'd like to get back to the duct tape on his head for a sec. Okay, it does seem like a completely useless use of duct tape, and I'm It almost reminds me of like a Naked Gun movie where they tell them to, you know, tape up the tape up this guy and then they use all the tape on the wrong parts of them. Like they really focused on his nose more than anything. Well, my theory is that not that they focused on is knows is that he taped himself. I mean it would be take a lot assuming if someone was involved in the so that's the thing is like you say, okay. Let's examine the possibility that he was involved if he was involved. Would he trust someone who's robbing the Gardner Heist to tape himself? I would take a lot of leap of faith. I'm not sure I could trust anyone never mind a robber to tape me up like that. And the other thing is then why then he has to be taped up for seven hours or five hours from when they left whereas if he waits until morning than he has the advantage of not having to endure the discomfort of being tied up. Yeah. I'm with you that I think the the head formation of the duct tape. Let's start at the top. Okay, right. I think that is suspicious, but I can't really say that. It's suspicious past a level of this has been on for seven hours, you know, so starting their I will say the top of his head the his hand is inconclusive in my mind. Right? Well, if you look at the overall effect on the other photos, well, yeah. Well, yeah, let's let's keep moving bright. Okay on his body before we go on. Do you want Lance? Can I get an answer from you? What do you think based on the head? Is this suspicious is you think this is well. I mean we've never Looked at the tape in such detail with anyone and we have the muddy river fact-checker here. So this I don't want to say it suspicious and and say in any way that Rick had something to do with the heights itself. But like I said before it is a very useless application of duct tape if the purpose is to conceal yourself or why would that be around his head? Anyway, they've already seen him. Yeah. I mean Rick is already seen the the thieves. Well, let's not let's not move past the photo. Let's just stick with what we look like breakdown just the photo like based on that because I don't want to jump like, oh this means he's guilty or something like that. I don't want to go that far with it. Okay. We'll just looking at it from a holistic view. How would this photo look different? How would Rick look different if he had only been in that situation of tape and handcuffs for seven minutes instead of seven hours like that doesn't seem to be any kind of entropy has gone on at all. Forget from seven minutes to seven hours is his shirt is still seems to have a crease in it. Supposedly he was you know near a boiler and that was sweating and well, he doesn't he look seems to work fairly comfortable and not to shoveled in any way. I've looked more disheveled driving here. I think than he does. I mean, that's just so the thieves left his mouth open, right so he can breathe and sing. I shall be releasing his nose is kind of covered, but we're unsure here if that happened. Like after he was slippage, right, right. We are kind of theory. I think here was that it probably started at the eyes and maybe slipped down to his nose, but that doesn't make any sense to cover. If you're a robber doesn't make sense to cover. The guys knows what he's in the basement. He's not watching you guys do this and he's already seen you. Yeah that that to he's and he's secured to write be right in front of that the control panel there or the electrical box panel. Well is he Quest is he secured as a quest where we haven't gotten there? Yeah. So let's go. The piece of tape that goes around his nose and kind of around his eyes is completely useless. We're all agreeing to that. Yeah it maybe you could make it so that he couldn't breathe through his nose, but I don't see why that's a problem for the crooks in terms of the crooks. They would want him to make you know, maybe try to make it so he couldn't hear or speak or see and they have failed in all of those. They weren't trying to kill him, you know, right and they would have gagged his mouth right? They didn't want him to breathe. It's again, it's almost like you're watching like a you're looking at a still from a Parody movie because there's so much tape on them. That's that's not achieving any purpose and there's no reason to do it in the first place and going back to the empty frames episode with Marge geillis. She was a roommate with the other guard Randy and she said there was quite a lot of Trauma from being there. I got you know what she said, you know, he from the tape and everything that he was not in good shape at the end of the day and yet he looks like he's in pretty good shape and managed to go to the Grateful Dead concert that night and doesn't Seem to be have really experienced a trauma consistent with seven hours and sitting there. All right. So let's move down. Okay his body a little bit. Do you want to talk about his legs first you want to talk about what's going on behind his hands and his hands first. I think we covered the the ankles which I think I'm not done with the ankles. Okay on that. Okay. Why don't we why don't we talk about well, I see I think in this photo here from the one taken from his right his leg is clearly over his other one, right? Yeah. It doesn't go down all the way. But looks like one is kind of folded over like the other one at ankles, right? Is that yeah. Yeah, but on this one, but on this one, it doesn't seem what another photos it doesn't seem like that everyone taken from his left side. It doesn't seem like that at all. Right. So if that is the case, then that means that he had plenty of room to wiggle around and make himself a little more comfortable there. Right? Right. So this first photo that you're talking about just to be super clear it cuts off right at his knee and it looks like it looks like his right leg is crossed. / / / / has left the ankle right and then there's another picture where you can see his feet and they're Bound by duct tape and it doesn't angle though is definitely not. Yeah, it's he's not there and that one but even the position further up his leg where the other photo would have cut it off is it's off. It's right. It's clearly not cross that seems kind of inconsistent. Right and then another aspect of the tape around the ankles is assuming that after seven hours that you You could stretch the tape out then you'd be able to walk. Yeah, could you could hobble to the stairs and make your way upstairs unless you were handcuffed to something, which is another phase of this. So maybe someone whoever found him first started removing the tape and they started with his legs and then they took the picture or they took the picture and then remove the tape and took another picture. Nope. I think there's plenty of room there. I think see I think in the shot that you See his feet. It does look like the tape is tightly bound. But I think that's tightly bound to his pants. Like I don't think there's no room there in the middle. I think you could you could slip a board and I think there's probably enough room there for him to slip one leg over the other for sure. Well, he hit looks about like he has about as much trauma as Taylor Swift in the mean video here what she's tied to the railroad track will try it yourself, but you put your ankles together right now and then see how much more room you need to actually up one over the other and you don't need much just a little bit and that also means then that you don't need much too kind of duck walk as Rick likes to say he was Adept at to up the stairs or over to the stairs and easily could have could be explained by fear. Potentially. He didn't want to go up there if these guys are still there. Maybe they are aggressive if he shows his face at that point, but after like six hours, let's say after why would they be there? Yeah, and why wouldn't he just make make a slight attempt there? Or it considerate maybe he did. Well one explanation is that he claims? He was handcuffed to an electrical box. Okay, great. So let's let's talk about about that because it doesn't seem like there's any evidence of that based on the photos. No, I don't. I don't see any electrical box and then that in the police report in one spot, it says that he was handcuffed to the pole. But I think that was referring to the other guard who was on a pole that was under the sink and then Anthony Nia Maury has said on more than one occasion that he was handcuffed to a pipe. Okay. So we have a poll a pipe and electrical box. But it really in the crime scene photo and both Anthony Amore and Stephen Curry and said that he was forced to stay where he is because they needed to get get the photo. Yeah and in the right place, okay. He is sitting in front of several electrical boxes. Yep. There's a that's clogged drain pump. There's something that's marked fan motor and Looks like a I don't know like I don't know some sort of functioning switch or buttons. There's like a conduit pipe that it looks like pump looks like he's looks like it's coming down from from inside the panel and if you zoom in on his wrist that could be duct tape or that could be a handcuffs. It looks like handcuffs. I was going to say look more like duct tape to me. It is a reflective though kind of seems to maybe reflect a little bit. What from The Flash but doesn't the duct tape. Yeah. Well if he he if it is duct-taped and I would say someone helped him get in that situation because I don't think you could put handcuffs on and then put duct tape over it. So I think it's either just handcuffs or maybe he was tied up by somebody else because I really don't see supposedly. They did put duct tape around the handcuffs. I don't see it there and I don't see how you could put handcuffs on and then additionally put duct tape on it. We just have like a massive amount of duct tape and they were just curious how to use more Tape we don't know what the other don't know what the other guard looks like either. Yeah. It doesn't make much logistical sense. They ran out of duct tape. I drank enough. Yeah. Yeah, they're like, oh, what are we going to do with the other guy? I don't know. What would love to hear the official word on that what that actually is handcuffs are duct tape or both or both. Okay. So if he's handcuffed he's got both of the bracelets from the cuffs on both wrists and then the chain Parts going around the The the pull in theory, that would be the part that the pipe. Yeah. Okay, that would well, I think they said there was a second set of handcuffs two sets of handcuffs. Yeah, they definitely hand and then we definitely mention two sets of handcuffs with the other guard. It's not mentioned here but doesn't look like that here looks like his arms are definitely touching like his wrists are touching here. Yeah one hands folded under. Yeah, very similar to his ankles and that picture looks like the pole is about maybe an inch and a half or two inches in diameter. Now what? What else is going on right there on that Landing that he's kind of sitting leaning against is under these boxes these electrical boxes which like we said our behind him, but we can't see any evidence of him actually being chained to it. But what is going on in this Landing is like three matchbooks, right? Well there does look to be something like a pole but then it's looks like a piece of wood that maybe balsa wood that would easily snap or or that his handcuffs aren't really on the other side of it sure, but there is some other things here. There's a what I can I don't see how that could be anything. A other than a Swiss army knife behind him that definitely looks like a looks like it has a little Insignia. Maybe it's some sort of generic knockoff of the Swiss army knife little jackknifed, but it's a it's a pocket knife. It's a pocket knife a variable name. Yeah, and if it's not then I think it's reasonable to ask what well then what is it? And why is it there? Yeah, maybe the maybe the thieves left it there for him to try to get you know and release himself was as a James Bond movie. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, like if he wasn't involved there's no explanation for that. Is there one for having a leaving him there with a pocketknife? Otherwise, I would just say I mean there's a bunch of other trash kind of on that Landing or other stuff that you could call junk like these matchbooks is seems to be some kind of rapper and there's like a looks like a window that looks like a ticket. Yeah, it looks like ticket blueprints or something like that. It looks like there's a mess right there on that Landing where he's sitting mean. Everyone's seen a messy basement, right? And there's a lot of things that are weird there if you look at it really in detail, but And I think ZM I don't see why I had a knife would be sitting there right or matches would I think just out of an abundance of caution? They would remove any matches or anything that might you know, I mean, he could start a fire to call attention. There's some you would think hey drop the knife or yeah the knife in the matches. Maybe they left the knife here. I'm theorizing maybe they left the knife. So for whoever was coming in the next day would find them and then they would have a knife to cut the duct tape off these guys because by all accounts they seem to be treated pretty nicely. By the thieves alternative thought the paintings some of them were cut out of the frames. There's a knife can conspicuously behind one of the guards has that knife been run against the knife from the frames. I mean what we're looking for a it's not a murder. So but but it's a weapon like right like a murder weapon in quotes and then there's weapon right here behind one of the guards that could probably have done that job. You're not going to find blood on it. Maybe you'd find some stitching but you should be able to forensically see if that was the same knife fingerprint it well, so was it collected as crime scene evidence at the time of the robbery and I've never seen any reference to I mean, I noticed the knife was there. It hasn't the pic. Like I said, the picture is only been around in the public view for maybe five years. I think it's it's not in the public domain. There's nothing about a pocket knife or matches being found in any of the descriptions like In any of the books are new stories that I've seen we never hear though about the thieves like their actual weapon, right we hear. Oh, maybe it could have been a razor blade box cutter put him in a box cutter, but we never heard of a search for a box cutter or we never heard. Oh, this guy was apprehended, you know, and he suspiciously had a box cutter in his pocket, you know or anything like that like has never been any talk of this weapon used other than it was probably a box cutter. What if it was a knife. Yeah. I don't know if you could make that kind of a cut because they're it very neatly under the frame. So I don't know but it could be that that was the I mean you would think that they would be at least looking into that to see if there was any remnants on there seems a weird place to put your like you said murder weapon when you're done with it. Well another theory is if he did tape himself at the last minute because it appears that he hasn't been take very long to me or confined there and handcuffed that he hurriedly had that he had those items in his fanny pack and he The knife to cut the duct tape and he cut some strips and just started emptying his fanny pack and he had matches and this looks like maybe candy wrappers to me. It does kind of look like a ticket. I'm kind of with you there does kind of look like a ticket ideas Grateful Dead took a good So we did want to talk about the night before the Gardner Heist surveillance video. That was released by the FBI. Was it? Mm? Mm 15 August 16 August 6 2015. Okay. This is why we need you. So, okay. So let's hear your thoughts on this video because I know we've talked about it and we've we heard Marge Galas on season one of empty frames. That she was sure that it was the director of security of the gardener Larry O'Brien, right and I really want to I think I'm a fan of empty frames and I think the Marge geillis episode was one of the best when great but I do I do disagree with her that it's the security suit the assistant Security Supervisor. Larry O'Brien. Can you go back for people who aren't aware it is it is pretty widely known what the night before. Video is but can you synopsize that for anybody? Who's like, oh, what's that we can go through it. Yeah. All right. Well, it was part of a larger social meteor or crowdsourcing campaign. That was really driven by Carmen Ortiz who was then the US Federal prosecutor us district attorney for Massachusetts and that goes back to I mean you go back to June of 2012 where it was announced that they were going to do the social media campaign. And in the Boston Globe article about it, there was no no response by the FBI and and in the article, it says the Gardner Museum refused to comment about this social media campaign. However, Anthony Amore said in Plymouth a few weeks ago that he's optimistic. The paintings will be found. So I thought that was I thought wait the federal government just announced they're going to spend millions of dollars on a social media campaign and they're not including and and the Gardner Museum doesn't want to comment about it. So that made me think maybe there was some mixed feelings about whether this was the right way to go. Then you had the big meeting the 2013 anniversary meeting where they said we know who the guys are. We think the paintings went through Philadelphia and that was another component of the social media campaign and then it sort of then the next thing the Marathon bombing kind of took center stage and that was pretty much forgotten anger is flat-out the easiest way to make a podcast anchor gives you everything you need in one place for free, which is Use right from your computer or even your phone creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast. So it sounds great. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. So download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started now. There was another part of the crowd sourcing was the and it was kind of a more of a defensive component of it was they thought they were going to be getting a lot of questions around the 25th anniversary and in anticipation of it. They put out a lot of information at that point at the anniversary and also that coincided with Kirk geon's Master thieves book coming out then a few months after that August. That's when they put out this six-and-a-half minute excerpt of the surveillance video from the night. Before which showed someone coming into the museum after about 24 hours before the actual Heist. Yeah, like it almost exactly 24 hours. Right? And Anthony Amore has claimed credit for saying I said, you know, I I said to a reporter maybe it was a dry run and but he I saw him at a like a book signing and he said he regretted that and he didn't really think that was a fair characterization. He was just sort of speaking off the top. Of his head perhaps because on last seen the podcast last seen about the Gardner Heist done by WBUR and the Boston Globe Anthony. Maury said that he did believe that they identified this person and that he wasn't involved in the heist. Right? Well, there's been sort of an interesting mysterious kind of aspect to this. Okay. So first of all, there has never no one from the FBI or even Anthony Amore has specifically spoken on the Heard about anything that's in the video like the car comes down. It looks kind of funny or any kind of talk there has been information about what what the contents of the video are. However, it's been kind of inaccurate in the Boston Globe. They said that that the guy came in the command can be seen leaving his car after the other guard left. Well, that's not true. The other guard can be seen. Viewing the car coming down the road and the car had already parked before the other guard Joe Mulvey left and we know his name is Joe Moe V. Thanks to episode 4 or whatever the one the Marge geillis episode. That's the only time the fact that he's that he's been identified as Joe multi-episode for of empty frame below cabin of the first season. So that's one of the details that came out. His name is never been mentioned. He's been made into an iconic Cody. Izawa. There are This artist has done pictures of the Guard standing there mute Li not doing anything and also the Boston Globe used it for their promo for last scene of the guards standing there. Well, he does a lot so does have him standing there. That's what he happens to be doing in the very first frame where you see him, but that's not a call. Yeah. All right. So there's a lot going on in there including with Joe movi. Yes, you have to really kind of look at the video to see it all because like you said if you look at the first frame or the or the the thumbnail in a lot of a lot of cases is of this guy this fellow Joe that one of the security Como be right and he's kind of an older fella, right and he's standing there. And so that is not the guy who comes in who know pulls his car and he's and it's not the guard that will lets him in right? The other one is Rick a bath who's also on the video. Okay. So if you go to Google or Bing, you can type in Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum night before video and you it'll bring you right to the YouTube link. So anyone listening now can go Are you can click on that link and you can see this video? It starts with Joe Mulvey at the security desk talking over to talking over to Rick a bath the other guard at first. Okay, Rick is kind of out of frame sort of almost underneath the camera, but you can see his hat on the counter right sort of cowboy hat. Yeah. Yeah as he wore the next night too. But but now he's not wearing it. I think color looks I speculate that that is a stage direction that when the visitor comes in he knows where he is and where he is not on because they outer brim of the hat is the exact spot where you're not on camera. So that's another there's all kinds of aspects to the video that you could speculate about about how much intent and what's going on and how choreographed one might hear you say that and say you're being a bit conspiratorial and you're looking into this a little too deeply. Well, I probably looked a little too deeply there's like a hundred and forty thousand seven thousand visits on YouTube. I think half of them might be okay so you don't But I'm being conspiratorial and saying if Rick a bath was involved. Maybe there was organized efforts going on not being conspiratorial. I mean, obviously if he was involved there is a conspiracy if he wasn't then there wasn't really Playing devil's advocate here because I mean, he's the only other one in the video like well, I guess my point is what is he hiding from the camera do where he naturally stands? They don't really want to record him. Right? Right, but I guess your argument might be he's trying to and where the line is so he can avoid the next night when the visitor comes in. He stands mostly kind of in kind of out. Yeah on that on that right by the Hat. Yeah, so but it is exciting. He's right by the half he if that visitor wants to be out of frame on the security. All he has to do is stay to the right of his right of that right, which he doesn't really do very successfully. But okay now when you're watching the video it cuts between the inside of the museum right the security desk. With the position of the camera aimed towards the door that goes into that little breeze way before you go to the main door outside and write HD quality want to say, oh, it's high def like Blu-ray quality. No grain Blu-ray, but it cuts between that and is it simultaneous footage of the car? No on Palace road coming down? No. Oh no, it's in sequence. So for a while, we'll be outside and then we'll show and then and the timestamp changes back and forth. So it's content. Lois oh but at one point of showing you outside and the other point is showing you inside. I think that's important to note because a lot of time is taken when you first see this video to understand what you're watching and where you're watching it and when you're watching and and I was being sarcastic earlier the the videos in black and white and it's the resolution isn't great and it is actually even like jumping like an old VHS tape would and and even the picture kind of bends at points to so really is not a great video. Well, it hasn't been very well. And that is true too. So it was lost for years. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about the maintenance of this. Yeah. Okay. It was not lost according to Vincent Lizzie who was head of the Boston FBI office. He did an interview a couple of days after it was released with Kevin: and he said we've known all along about it. We didn't think it was of particular use and we've been aware of it. And what's come out is that around 2013 empty frame says 2010, but that's not right. I was around 2013 you met last scene said last seen sorry. Okay. Yeah, sorry pulled that Robert Fisher who was at the US attorney's office pulled some of the old evidence and he found it. I think there's signs that it may have there might have been some kind of controversy about whether or not to release it, but it was not once it was put out there was really nothing done to support the video in terms of giving information like how taught we've determined how tall the person is or Other kind of information or making sure people like Marge geillis and other security guards and employees made sure they saw it or you know different things they could have done in support of the of the release of the video. I was not done at all. Okay. So what is the first thing is you're watching this? Okay, that stands out to you as being somewhat. Well, there's so much sorry reflex. It's sort of there's a lot. Why don't we start from the very beginning? Okay, so it starts out you don't see anything. There's really not a couple of good points. You see you see Joe Mulvey he starts to go out and then he at the last minute he changes his mind and he goes back and he's lingering at that seems to be his spot his home base and he starts having a conversation with with the other guard Rick a bath and sounds like he's trying to make a point. He's you know gesturing with his hand and he's he's trying to say something kind of serious probably about the Patriots. Yeah could be could be about anything. So he's making a point. And then the next thing looks like there's something in his left hand now is he has a huge hand obviously, but it looks like maybe he has something then all of a sudden he starts striding down and this coincides with the appearance of the car, right? Okay. So we'll pause there and then Abbott's on the phone. Yeah. Now we have it's on the phone. Okay, and and he is looking they're looking at the monitor. Okay, so note of record here. We just paused at 50 51 seconds. Okay, and it's actually paused at a really resting spot because it looks like it's right in between a jump. Well, yeah, when you said that it coincides with a car pulling down the road, it's actually a car backing up the wrong way down palace Road right to the like the security at yeah going the wrong way and a one-way Street in Reverse with the headlights off and something else to note Rick abbath who looks a lot like that guy from Workaholics. Yeah, I guess like Blakemore call workaholic. So Rick Abbott is is on a phone right now and Does look like they're both looking at a monitor, right? He might be scared looking in the same direction. I was thinking maybe he was calling a pager possibly because he this is before cell phones. So you have to kind of put yourself in the technology of the time and pager technology. So he might be signaling to someone through a page. Okay, so good point. So what it wasn't was Larry O'Brien outside in his car on the phone being like hey, I'm outside. Can you let me in? I'm about to come up to the door. Well, he would have a master key anyway, because Cuz he was a assistant supervisor. So he would need to he would need a key or even to announce himself. He might not want to announce himself. I guess I was getting into the cell phone thing that yeah Roar. Okay, because there were no cell phones right I got but maybe there was sorrow phone maybe but probably not that was kind of a whole 80 toy anything back then right and it goes with a limo but your point about whether as a cell phone or a car phone is pretty much a moot point after hearing that he had a master key and he probably Even want them to know because why would he announced as the his their boss? Why would you announce that? He's coming. I don't know but I don't think it from from what I've heard about the security guard guidelines. It was like they weren't supposed to let anyone in even even Larry O'Brien if he showed up so they were breaking guidelines all over the place. I think they were allowed. I think supervisor would would have a reason to go in they were not they were clearly it was people generally agree that a lot of people are coming in that should not have been allowed. Yeah, but in He used to come in from time to time. Yeah, but they it seemed like they definitely played fast and loose with right who came in. Yeah to the point where Rick abbath even brought friends in who were tripping on mushrooms to view the artwork at one point again / last scene. That's that's the only place I had heard that but I thought that was pretty pretty interesting. He brought his friends in after they had drank some kind of magic mushroom shake and they had a party and it made me Jealous. Well one thing is that he came in with maybe one friend if he has a book. He started writing a book about his experiences and they clearly are referencing that book which is on Facebook the pages from that book and they kind of stray from the facts and and exaggerated a little bit on the exact extent of that. But yeah, it's true, but he didn't bring in a bunch of friends. Yeah, but there were maybe four or five people in there at the time and some of them were tripping and this is from something that trick abbath Rosell Pro. Yeah. Okay. So so we have Liberties that are being taken with Rick habits own words, and I think other guards to it sounded like pizzas were regularly delivered inside the museum. They would put them in. Yeah to deliver pizza right to the door. Well, which was completely breaking protocol, but someone like a 51 year old assistant supervisor who used to be a lieutenant colonel in the Army. He's coming down the road. It doesn't make sense that he would come down the road in reverse. Park 3 feet from the curb not even a head of the door, right? Okay. So so the point back to the points are a long way to get out get away from that. This is how we this is how we get these details that we do it rick Abbott was not talking to Larry O'Brien or the person who can call on the phone. Yeah, right on the phone at 51 seconds, right? Okay. You just said that this is a former military retired lieutenant colonel retired lieutenant colonel 54 years old. And this is this is this is Larry O'Brien that you're speaking of. Yes, and you're not in agreement that he was the one driving the car in Reverse down the road. No, I don't think it looks like him and its behavior is not consistent. He would know that he was being that he was on he's being he's on surveillance tape in that the surveillance tape was being recorded. So, why would he that you all you have to do is go around the block and there's no traffic at that hour. So he saved himself maybe a minute striving by doing that. There's no logical reason why a supervisor would want. Down one a one way street that way I'd make the argument that anyone really familiar with an area would take that Liberty. Like I've done that before in my in front of my own house, you know what I mean? I do I regularly when I switch the cars in the driveway actually, so I think it's a me. It seems like familiarity. Where would he be coming from his home? Yeah in Somerville on Alpine Street in Somerville. So he'd be coming down 93 the old. Mr. Tobin Bridge and down Storrow Drive, so I'm not even sure what makes sense that he'd be coming in that way. Wouldn't even make sense for him to come in that way. I would think no, I don't think so, but I'm not sure he might have a way but then why would he have his headlights off? That's what it said was another find that is a great question. Right? And then why would he Park three feet from the curb and why wouldn't he park at the door why we park forward of the door? I don't know and how quick was he in there? He was in there for really just like the length of this video. He was in there for three the person the visitor was in there for three minutes and 15 seconds and 4. Two minutes and 30 seconds of that time their off-camera and maybe in another gal in a gallery or doing something. There's no evidence that they are even anywhere near where that they're even in the security station for the to 2 minutes and 30 seconds between second 51 and you know minute for so I'm starting to see why you said that that hat could be a marker because it is it is exactly placed at the frame. Right at the edge of the frame right interesting and he usually wore his hat. So why is it there? So then you have Joe Moe v. He's studying the video. OK see how it goes out and goes back on and then right when that happens, he moves he starts heading out. He's no longer watching it. He being Joe moldy, right? Okay, so there's a blocking of the of the Of that reflection of that light in the car. And as soon as it does he moves so given that this is not the time of cell phones. This could be a signal of okay. That's the all clear for him to go outside and that might explain why it's three feet from the curb and not in front of the door and then when it flips back, he's walking to the door. Well if it is O'Brien, why is he driving the car in Reverse down the road? Why is he parking so far away from the door? It's a straight road, right why he's got the option to drive. I've all the way down to the door and then tuck his card closer to the curb which he doesn't do the Rarity and he knows he's only going to be in there for a couple minutes. Well, I would say if he was familiar with the road. He would know not to park in the middle of the road like any time from the door. Yeah, it seems Hasty to me. One thing is that the Boston Globe reported that Mulvey is going on his rounds. Okay. So the theory is okay. He's going on his rounds and then the visitor comes in he is not going on his rounds. There's no To get into the galleries from that door that you see him going out that door only leads to Palace Road and I sent it tweet it Marge geillis. And I said is this I'm saying I don't think this goes anyplace else but Palace Road and she says well your rounds could include Outdoors. So well that he was acknowledging that. Yeah, he could have been going he might have been going on his rounds Outdoors, but when we just got going on his rounds in a gal we just on the breakdown was that they're talking a car shows up. They see. It in the monitor. Yeah, Rick abbath picks up a phone and and the other guard Joe Mulvey heads out to Palace road. I was road. So it looks the appearance is that they look down and say oh there's that car. Yeah, or there's a car. Yeah and Joe goes outside and Rick added stays inside now is this what this be common practice for a security officer to go outside to check on a car that would just be parked there. But well that was never addressed that it was. You know, I've never even never occurred to me that he was going out to check the car hee hee if you look at his body language as the car is coming. They look sort of amused and intrigued by the car, but they don't look like this. It's any particular threat. I would say if it were threat then they probably wouldn't have gone out so soon. We just saw the seconds tick by and it's literally like maybe two seconds before they make a decision to go outside. So I'm not saying yeah, this is a fact but it does look like they know that car. Okay. Well in any case he's now has headed. Outside now, right? I think them fact that he lingers there might be we never see him go outside. We don't see the door open as we do with the visitor later that he might have timed it so that he would go outside when the visitor opens the door so that he knows when he knows what so when he goes out he's not there standing there by the door, right the car there, right? He uses the opportunity to go that doing during that he's a sort of does which is seems very precise and choreograph possibly. That's just speculation though. In any case he's Heading outside but he is not shown outside. Okay. So what else can we see in the video? So let's keep going. Let's get to the visitor coming in again. Am I incorrect that he goes back out? Okay. No, he does go back out your right knee comes back in. Okay. So the first thing we see is we don't see him go in the first time. So you're going to go with a mate to good points of reference for this watching. This video are minute at 2 0 0 2 minute Mark in the 5-minute Mark two minute Mark. You see the visitor coming out of the building. Wait a Second he just got in he just got in and he's going out and he was never picked up him going in the building. Yeah, we never see the door opening for him to go in. We only see him it opening going out and then what happens is and you can see is that the door is left open as he returns to the car. So he travels out to the car for 20 seconds turns on the Lights of the car and returns to the museum and he leaves the door open while he makes that QuikTrip decked back and when he comes back a bath only buzzes him once so a bath know. That that this door has been left open. So a now his car lights are on now his car lights are on. Yes. Okay, there's some interesting aspects of when he makes his initial trip to the when you see him. You see the visitor come out and go from the car to the museum traveling this Gloom outside of the door when it's closed. You can't see anything. But when he makes the trip from his car to the to the museum we can see we can say fairly convincingly that he's not delivering food. He's going too fast. He's spinning around. Around he's parked three feet from the curb. Why would it bows delivery guys are very efficient. Every time management conscious. They Park as close to the door as they can and he's not carrying a bundle. Yeah. We don't see any food, right so we can say okay, we can eliminate that we can eliminate let's say it's a drug deal someone who's carrying a lot of drugs isn't going to be that conspicuous and go down the street in the middle of the night and Park 3 feet from the curb either does seem like a weird time to get your drugs, right? So you're at work. Middle of the night. So you're eliminating all of these possibilities. Actually. It seems like might be a good time to get would be the best time. Yeah, actually, yeah, but it kind of eliminates the priests are going to be a drug dealer very long if he's being that careless and again, he would park closer to the door want to be as inconspicuous as possible. Plus there's the leaving the door open is, you know, very suspicious and not consistent with really it being anybody the thing to me that that makes me question the Larry O'Brien Brian account is that the the visitor just doesn't look like he's that old. He looks like he's like Larry when he's our yeah 30 looks like he's like 30, right and and Larry O'Brien had gray hair by that times 51 that was mine in the auction because the the visitor doesn't have gray hair. You can it's black the videos black and white so you're limited a little bit but it looks like it has color. It looks like it is brown or black. Am I wrong on that guy's no. No, I agree and also his brother said that this Sin has wavy hair. There's cow looks in his hair and his brother said that's not my brother. He has very flat hair actually his brother was one of the only people to say that's not my brother. That's not Larry O'Brien. Well, there were there were a few there were a couple was a couple of the Guard said no, so there was some it's a matter of how hard do you want to look for people who say it's not him. Okay. So this is some on both sides if this is not Larry O'Brien, this is in my opinion somebody that they at least know because they Saw or expected because they weren't looking at what is perceived to be the Monitor and they weren't looking at it for long enough to say to each other. Who is this? This car is driving down here in Reverse. Oh, that's something like it. Just looks like they knew who that was, right? Because it could have been anybody right? I mean it could have been anybody who is driving down, you know trying to get directions for themselves may be looking at a map or something and then realizing that You know where they had to go and then they leave you think that the security guards would have liked thought about that and waited to see what that car would have done. The only time you really see any kind of startle reflex in Mulvey through all of this is when he's first told that it appears or you see the lights of the cars coming back and I imagine that a bat said here comes a car and then all of a sudden he sort of in this position of kind of rushing down. He looks like he's rushing. He's very intent and focused on coming down and viewing it on the monitor in my view. What are they doing you as you can see, I'm kind of in the corner and that may be one of the better looks of the visitor. It looks like his hair is dark. It doesn't look like it's light but looks like almost like they're flipping through some kind of book or right maybe some kind of some kind. Okay change at all. Right and he walks out. He's got a code. He looks like he's got a little bit of a bald spot in the top of his head. I thought so too, but I think that that might be a light good today. Yeah could be reflecting light. Yeah, but you can see Abbott's Pretty much the whole time. He's bobbing his heads bobbing in and I just want to be sure that this isn't like a delivery driver who pulls up and then they're like, oh, hey leave your lights on if you're going to park there he runs back out and put some on and they comes back in and then he get does the transaction and then he leaves. Yeah. Well, so will they do with you look drunk. It's only it's only it's only 6 minutes and 40 seconds, right? Yeah, there's two minute two minutes and 30 seconds in the middle that's dead. There's a like a minute at the end that stuff. No use. So you go through it and you want to say let's look at it as and look for all the reasons why it's a food delivery guy. Let's look at it lets a friend and you can go through all the different scenarios. I don't see a food delivery guy. I don't know making change with his little plastic. I don't know look like he was opening a bag to me. Here's an argument against the food delivery. I feel like if maldi were to greet a food delivery person. Then he would have just done the exchange right there at the door and the food delivery person might even not I commit because his car is there and then it really doesn't make sense to say you should turn your lights on the food delivery person might say well, I'm only going to be here for like two seconds. I agree that the the time of the interaction is the major strike against food for sure. Yeah, because it's yeah most food deliveries are very very quick. They're like less than a minute right they want to get in and out. But if as but if he did come in he would have just put it right on the desk where there's plenty of room to put those who knows what would have happened. We're here. We're in the speculations. But yeah, I agree that for that reason. It's probably not but also it could be just one artistic guy delivering food to another and he's like, oh we're gonna Museum welcomes a good look around. Oh, I'll let me see your drawings and then he leaves sure. Yeah could be good day buddy. Let's remember that the greatest crime in property crime in the history of the universe hasn't happened yet. Agree on is that right that both abbath and Mulvey must have known or been aware of this person arriving. It definitely looks like it. Yeah, whether it's like a bath saying oh, that's the that's my Chinese food delivery guy or that's Larry O'Brien, but it's their decision to identify and then let this person in make the moves to let this person in happen in like four seconds Amore was a mere interviewed by Jim Rowdy on the on on Greater Boston on August 11th, like six days after was out and he said that they that nobody said anything about the people being let in so not only were they there but Rick a bath and Joe Mulvey never said, yeah, we've let in a visitor well probably because it was so common. It sounds like well, I mean I would think would be pretty important anything unusual happened on your shift or what's what do you know who's been in the mute the probably Know anyone who had been in the museum for the past week, so and they never mentioned that oh, yeah, by the way, someone came in my buddy, but it's really nothing. They would probably have the video alternate Theory the FBI and Amore and such know that it's not Larry O'Brien he's passed away. They're not going to get a strong rebuttal from him about that and they know that that person was involved in the heist the next night so they put it out there to see what shakes Loose as As I mentioned when they originally started Carmen Ortiz wanted to do the social media crowdsourcing it was on it was after Bulger, but that doesn't include being truthful to the public necessarily. You don't have to be there's no yeah. It's crowdsourcing versus crowdsource. That's right. I'll make you some krauts sauce and go sure so that's strategic in some cases. Sure. Yeah. I think that I'm not sure that the FBI was really very happy that this was coming out because of the fact that they haven't supported it. So I think it might have been an Of Carmen Ortiz and the District Attorney's office with you know, the the FBI grumbling coming along and not really enthusiastic about it. Of course, no one expected them to be exposed on the empty frames are way. These are two that's what we did we mulch we lull them all to sleep with five episodes having nothing to do the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum Heist and then we they're like, whoa, what's this first of all when this happened it was called in the Boston Globe that it's pertinent quote internet frenzy trying to figure out who this was. Was so there's massive stereotype. Let this put this video out and then on May 23rd of 2017 the Boston Globe did an article about how the first article about how the reward was being Double-Double to 10 million, right? And then oh by the way, you know 12 paragraphs down. Oh, yeah, we had last week. We called up the the FBI and ask them about what's the deal is with the video and they said they know who it is, and it's not anyone involved. So You had all this big roll out. I mean, there's still people who hadn't seen that article. I know Marge Galas hadn't seen it and there's still wondering like gee I wonder who that is and and still working at I think they had a responsibility to announce. We know who it is and maybe share a little bit a few of the details if everything was you know, oh, it's perfectly fine. It's you know, nobody that was involved in the heist simply a coincidence. What sounds like to me you're indicating that the that the globe is somehow How may be trying to control The Narrative of this? Well, I don't think they're trying to control the narrative so much as their their access driven and so they're not really challenging or pushing back on the talking points that they're getting and I don't think the talking points are a hundred percent on the level. Now. There's a reviewer for the globe who reviewed empty frame season one poorly. Let me add and then he said that he was gonna he's not being favorite. Favoritism or none of that involved. He said he was going to review last scene based on my recollection. He reviewed empty frames after episode 1 episode 1 was Tim and I along with mr. Kay who got us involved in this we did the broad Strokes of the heist and we did sort of the here's what we're going to do here is our intentions with the podcast and Tiber gave a scathing review of episode 1 and then went on to say what his intentions were with the the Boston Globe WBUR joint podcast here. The reviewer Tiber says for the record, I wrote this before finding out I wrote this scathing review of empty frames before finding out that the globe will be launching its own upcoming podcast on the Gardner heist in partnership with WBUR when it's available. I'll offer my honest opinion of that as well. Right? So why don't you pull up his honest opinion of last seen? Okay, let me oh, you know what? He actually never wrote One never did. Okay, interesting. That's why didn't someone some people would say that was a complete conflict of interest. He might and we wouldn't say that here at empty frames because that would be taking a low-hanging fruit. But I've heard that some people think that that's really a weird conflict of interest on his part will look at all the other reviews that he did for other podcast. Yeah, just in general. Well, he clearly listens to a lot of podcasts. I'd be shocked if he didn't listen to last seen Anthony Maury said on a different podcast. I don't remember the name of it. Recently. He said unfortunately there has no new leads or fresh material to work with that came out of people contacting him as a result of the last seen podcast. I don't really see a lot of information they came out I could tell you some things that I found very enlightening that came out of empty frames and I'm sure that and I've said this before that, you know historians are going to be much more interested in what what empty frames did then what last scene did because what last scene They claim they were doing a deep dive, but they didn't they just rehash the talking points. We are the home of the original Deep dive and that's what we got. Yes.

In season 2 of Empty Frames Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna continue their dive into the subject of art heists by getting a broader scope of the world in which these crimes take place. In episode 6 of season 2 Tim & Lance again talk to the Muddy River Fact Checker. He helped us out on season one with keeping the Gardner heist facts straight. And now he's back to help us break down some Gardner heist minutia. Our topics include the crime scene photos of Rick Abath, and the surveillance video that was shot the night before the heist. Crime scene photo: https://www.wbur.org/lastseen/2018/09/24/inside-job Night Before Heist video: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/historic-footage-connected-to-gardner-museum-burglary-released-public-assistance-sought. The Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston, Massachusetts was robbed of thirteen pieces of artwork on March 18th, 1990. The frames remain empty today, awaiting their return. Please sign and share the Turbo Plan petition for an itemized price list for the stolen Gardner art. 28 years into our response to this terrible crime, we must consider modifying the approach we take as we attempt to restore what’s been astutely identified as “our heritage.” Through Change.org, you can make your voice heard and help to bring the art home. Go to the link to sign your name: https://www.change.org/p/let-s-bring-home-the-stolen-isabella-stewart-gardner-museum-art-a-new-approach

Good morning, folks and my fellow citizens of the United States of America. I'm your radio Podcast host Cheyenne Montana Lopez broadcasting you today for down here in Port Huron by the Black River of Clay Street where they get the street torn up and doing real constructions finally getting around to doing one of them in the streets here. Poor yard, it needs to be doing. Room they need what instead turn it up though. What they need to do is just pay over the hose and if we're going to tear up that old astral I can't do recycling our to use the over again over and over again. I often think about why can't we come up with a way to recycle and lumber and reusing make new to build a house and in his mother things we could recycle Cycle if we come up with a way, we are America. We are the country of Technology. Are we supposed to be but I recently learned is just like SUVs Now cars are made in the United States anymore. I know he's how they're all alike. Same body style. Not one different. I can't tell one car from the other. And they are got no room in them at all. Now. I'm like a family sedan where you can spread your legs out and got room to sit. A room to haul you family and them or van like a minivan where you get hot your entire family. I think I'm doing but the entire family especially the people who adopt children is got five ten children and their family. Pussy can't be stuff. You still buying the SUV. These people need to focus in on back pickup trucks went to go pick up truck, especially as it for door or the extended cap. Now that will Holland better then and all their stuff to do instead these SUVs. I notice in Canada so many issue V's. Are easy to be involved in Rex? It's nothing but SUVs aware. And I haven't seen in the United States just as of yet, but I'm pretty sure majority of the cars involved in racing here are issue beats. Why because they're easy turnover. They don't get that good gas mileage. Why don't we used to investing time in making hybrid and electric cars come out with come back with a two cylinder car that we get good gas mileage if we can make a motorcycle. I guess how many something miles a gallon we can make that kind of car? Therefore we'd be using this guy's and we'll would Anything who's going to take her SUV or an electric car and go down the middle of a desert and it run out of charge. With the headlights on and ear and I know cars are much coming out there and no not certainly no charge stations who's going to be in the middle of nowhere to recharge your station recharger vehicle. Are you going to get that safety and deliver risk it to you and your family my friends would not thinking smart. We're not and I notice here because River in Sarnia Ontario Canada, which is got nothing but chemicals and here we have a lot of power path. They cracked down on steel mills and putting people out of work exporting manufacturing jobs overseas manufacturing didn't pollute much. It was a our power plants want to read something about that until all and close Em Down. Makeup and a story they dumped them leave now my friends to think about here. We claim with rings short of water in water splitting. Okay, we're polluting air intake and Greenhouse Effect. Are we doing the same thing when we use electricity to recharge a car taking that water and it takes electricity to make it blue there, aren't we putting that back into the air? now I know this hospital to get recharge stations and they need to take it up. Somebody's ghost eagle. He's a cop out of this another crime waiting to happen. There's no crime waiting to be on the rise. Now. This is my first radio broadcast in a while as many of you know, I've been sick. I had have a toe amputated in March because I have a cellulitis. Let me tell you what say you like to see is it's a form of mercy and staff it can turn into Actually, I'm an education if it gets into your blood stream on that nose is deadly. Now if you've had mercy before your said you to get again thing, we by sea lettuce. Just same with Mersa fake skin to dry skin. If you don't keep motion on it to maintain healthy young skin and get rid of all the dry dead skin. You said you didn't losing a part of your body armor. So getting in there my friends. Here's the problem we Need to come up with better alternatives. We need to definitely do that. We're supposed to be the greatest country on the world in the world. We supposed to be Role Models. Let's change the Vols and let's do with the same set. Do we with same-sex marriages? Let's peek back in the Constitution that marriage is for men and woman and man and woman only let's prosecute these things that couples that are adopting children and incursion onto children to be open about Sha Allah T. That is pet. Apparently it was me you and everybody else. We'd be arrested for indecent exposure. Now number one. Let's dig into the cause of what caused them to be that way. Something had to happen to them as a child to be made to become at least not something you're born with it's hogwash and devil trying to deceive you nobody's born that way. You can't change your spirit when you're born as a man or are you a born as a woman? Male or female you cannot change that spirit because he's going to come at the same is what you were born as you can't change a spirit of this soul. And this is hogwash what changes physically changes itself in this old know. We don't know. They say oh is something God made into you living and breathing God didn't put no female parts in a person. They said decision the man devil for possesses him with into season and there through the authority of man is come in to teach them that it's okay to be best to teach them is not. Okay. We need to change it our society to go back. God we are getting away in going into atheism where the biggest satanic cult will it be drugs like marijuana when we're passing in each day is a medical marijuana and that's hogwash. It doesn't help. It doesn't help more and more proof is going about every day that medical marijuana and using marijuana is not good for you and it'll come to hit. The precinct if we don't change it. Trust me. The wrath of God is going to be very harsh and I'm not trying to put a scare into you people are panic mode and speaking truth. And you people who say the Bible is it real they had written by man, but I think again all of a sudden is been dug up proving The Old City Jerusalem his history proving in the Shroud is never burn it's not painted on there has been proven that Image was not painted on there. It's been burned is the image still not burned. The Shroud is not burned something. Holy is protecting me and he's been proven that dates back to crash including by the universities in the United States is taking pieces a shroud and carbon dating. It all dates back to the time of Christ Christ was very much a real person when he came into this world. He's very much a got real God and trying to we need to get the law of physics out of school being taught we need to put evolution is not the way not that sir. We need to put creationism back into school and teaching. - right we have so much violence and guns came to school because when we had God taught in schools, we hit the side people had faith in and they were believing we've gotten away from patriotism in the United States more than ever we protest for what you got the reticles of the view Joy Behar Sunny Hostin and Whoopi Goldberg who need to be fired and I call upon to be fired amazing like some like a Creepy, but then allowed to TV shows or if they share they got the Big Bang Theory still on and it's supposed to going off are take the reruns off to see TV and Canada's when station got it going on every day of the week three shows a day. Sometimes two and is getting older more this ridiculous. Let's get the Ellen DeGeneres's of TV with her fake money that none of it because never met Is real no company gives a million dollars away. No company gives $50,000 $20,000 away. Shutterfly's not that big a company. And who owns them? This is digital photography company who owns and Cheerios certainly ain't gonna give No 1 million dollars away. That's hogwash. You know Dennis James of The Price is Right the late great. Dish. They said before you carry anything home. You have to pay high taxes. Is it worth being high taxes of money? You don't have that they get is it worth going on television being embarrassed because you know a car you're not going to take you home. You know don't get to take it home at all my friends because you had to pay taxes on this not true is not reality. Reality is you you have bills don't wait. What company gives a man a time I'll just go on the game show. No company will. No company, like a guy who claimed 122 million dollars on Jeopardy the largest winner of all know company and they don't think they should because it's taking and putting double work on that other person has to take his place and it's not fair to him. It's not fair to the family that person. Therefore I think we should pass them off and who is responsible for children putting children like JonBenet Ramsey's and the talent shows who's responsible for a line on these reality shows nobody under age of 17 R8. Nobody actually should be under 21 to be on a game show or under 20. Nobody below the age of 21. You're being out be on a reality show our talent show like The Voice America's Got Talent or even extractor. Nobody should it's why under the law that we can put children to work like that that they're not supposed to be. Working why under the child labor laws Now understand a child want to work in the summer. Let's bring back the Ceta program. It worked where they could go good job without transportation department how we Department each state and and the housing programs and let's bring seed of back that help the poor and low-income insulate and do ribbon work putting storm windows certified person. Devil crew working and do the job what happened to that. We need to bring such programs when I get back. We need to bring back vocational schools in every County in send a person back to Joe training for classes in that we need our manufacturing our American know-how to make America great we get back in. Let's stop these conclusion investigations. It was with Hillary Clinton. It was with Brack Obama saying bank and he never investigate the packs purposes. So why don't they stop is wasting taxpayers dollars this car radio stations talk shows, but print the stuff in the newspapers editorials to stop this. Stop wasting our tax dollars and this stop the protests and criticizers of the Whoopi Goldberg who don't put truth out. Then Obama was a great president. One of the top in History Obama hasn't one of the Meuse approval ratings. This is truth packages Obama had one of the least popularity ratings Obama went out of office with a very low job approval. Hice when he went out of office was Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton took off what Ronald Reagan did away and get his great for what Ronald Reagan did like strict lasers Ronald Reagan started the program creating it the S has got back then it was called the Strategic Defense Initiative. Now. All Reagan was responsible for putting technology computers in classrooms bill. Then when Bill Clinton come on Liam Navy battleships there Ronald Reagan had put back into playing our, New Jersey, Wisconsin. And Missouri and putting them back into place put a new engines on and put an equipment on what Tomahawk cruise missiles and he's 16. He's gonna still on them. They could far beyond any cruise missile cruise ship any Cruiser our Destroyer now my friends plus they were equipped with the most advanced and most heavy rain. Are up-to-date and equipped with anti-aircraft batteries. My friends, why didn't we leave them in a family? We need those Battleship instead of putting them in mothballs to be scrapped. I spent back in their feet. These do double pontoon. I they're trying to make them like a punting on the river low in the water. It becomes a great storm to come break apart those ships. Building a man, Wisconsin. That's not the after military. Let's bring back the excuse modern warships designs. Like they were I make them look like ships the way it's supposed to be not a shoe box on water shoe box. What you put cardboard down one. It sinks if you put stuff on my water water running is anyway, That's not the answer my friends if we can build a ship like the Enterprise the and not with submarine and their first nuclear reactors on and gudrun seven years without feeling on your car feel fucking we build cars that way why can't we put carpet new Korean nuclear powered cars? The answer is not the issue bees. It's not the electric cars to hybrid. I can't we build nuclear powered cars and best into that garbage. That's the answer. We Americans need to know these answers. Why not build a nuclear car and you could park her keep the small reactor that you can run in for seven years two years without refueling that way we don't use some gasoline anymore and create pollution into the air. Therefore my friends we got something safe economical to drive. My fucking will make a bicycle 50 equip it with some kind of small engine to be able to steep Mountain. Why do we run these marathons ruining our bodies and our health? Truth is marathon races need to be done away with we need to have more walkathons. So that way Charities get that money. That way we need to walk for to raise money for diabetes - too Carefree a new rock any traffic here for try finding a cure for cancer try and find a cure for heart disease and we need to wipe away if we put a weight and do away with Merit legalizing marijuana. Which cost thirty eight point six billion dollars and again you the taxpayers are paying for it. Now that's my needs to be very used to find a cure for drug addicts. Why can't we find one care of cures all why can't we invest in that space Age Technology instead of make marijuana? Marijuana is not acid. I ran it does away with your brains Precinct. I'm going to show opiates in other girls my friends. And you'll be alarmed it stats of how it Compares against the traffic accidents how number Access exam about in truth is marijuana has the same effect as alcohol. When your mind on your body? It takes its toll on you. I'm underground do farm working and later with pain and live to be a hundred then I would and it would with drugs and sharpen my life. Truth is that marijuana shortens your life back each time, you know idea you're putting that come with us back into your arms because long disease if you ever see a b d and f as any we finished and you're not supposed to be smoking. Therefore you think about the People Randy how you're affecting him. We got up at marijuana joint assume. He's going to wreak recently voted to legalize. For recreational use it wrong answer Canada has self-injection stations for Education going out. Here's our needles away in this week wrong answer my knee and I admired Doug Ford of Ontario. And trying to stop it because don't need that is not the answer answer is invest the money the better spend it toward a cure one characters all now that would better serve technology and we do that we won't need marijuana. We won't need another these drugs that that's actually I know it's a drink. Maybe they'll come around. My I may not receive you may not live to see it. They'll come around before some generations up and trust me eventually doctors won't be no more. It would be robots doing it and it's coming robust going to replace deliveries and robust replacing doctors are robots replacing bank tellers, it's already coming of age right now with robots are read several years back done. We with man working on the auto factories and putting cars together on this assembly line. Poor quality, we produce worst cars today and we ever did. Going to produce cheap priority cars and charging high prices for why high prices for something. It should be cheap and make truth is. Yeah, you still got the steel but this morning's kills me and make all the products are car all the project surfing your house is imported from China Great Britain Germany all the countries overseas Mexico Canada the United States and he put together the United States. Passion truth if we can build a rocket go to the moon or registration to stay out there for weeks and months at a time. Why can't we build a car that way? I can we bring back the car the 1970s and 80s design with its own identity and still doing weight of the car and but a very Janine, you know my friends. I'm not stuttered. I may sound like it but not on know kind of drugs. I am myself speaking and I don't speak from a manuscript normal reading from I asked me can if I speak from my heart. This is a radio show where I speak my mind. I like what I hear and that's just on the street. All right be a poison a fireman but things he needs to be done to bring patriotism back to United States how we can restore God back into schools. Truth is if we are promoting marijuana, why did we do away with God and something wholly in front of a government building or in courtrooms a sporting event. Why did we do way we why we promoting LGBT is schools and talking about sex in schools. It's unconstitutional to And these idiots black people come down south. Stirring the South where other blacks than their lives have beside with the Y's are come visit each other go along have for sale decades trying to come in syrup something they can assess you look like they're little people on the in the South be people leave them on my own. You are satyrs. Quit stay where you are. Stop going down south stirring up trouble. Keep it to yourself. Keep it to yourself what you may think is not others my friends. It's called a chain of fact our chain reaction what they're doing. They're trying to create your Bibles and it's got why ain't we cracking down it won't do it with. With a word that the bias crime he's racist and I'm not trying to throw an inside problems and I'm trying to point truth is out. There. They get away with saying the same word in their hip hop songs and Hip-Hop. My friends is not music hip-hop and rap is not me as he is. Just simply fast-talking. You've got here get a cattle auction. Your ain't got Auctioneer. Somebody face talking. You gotta rap artist and them too. As Albany world it is and them wearing their pants showing their underwear pull your pants up. So I'm wearing clothes backwards and cash backwards go get your hair cut. Let's get encouraged the restaurant. Police officer or whatever the field but wearing it long hair braided hair to go get a haircut look professional as with long hair cut you is ethnic you don't look like a professional role model for children. It's not been a role model your purse. What you doing on outside. It shows what you really are. And that is a no-good Lowdown. person mode in person Shows you don't have good morals. It shows that you are not a good person. Why can't we bring professional football players baseball basketball players back short hair and they say they want equal parody. Well don't have any basketball this for sure don't even boxing. That's for sure. I don't have in baseball. Equal number of blacks to equal number of whites on the team but not the same number. It should be you got even blacks. You never bucks. She'll be even otherwise even number his snakes on the team. Then we buy football same way by basketball. Every sport should have equal number not less not no more. Now. The world doesn't revolve around the Koran that person around majority. now they're trying to get put a kind of can put a I'm young families ever number children. Why can't you know, you know your States? That's the reason we have over publishing United States. We bring business in this country still passing them all but they should take that turbines up and dressing off them and be a plain ordinary shares and wear civilian clothes - Mitre and now all that religion not build these mosque. Car crash site that they're going in and I have weapons and they could be could be using your family but they kill in the malls because they promote Jihad or holy war. I think we stop it. Why can't we? D criminalize them. I think we I'm brainwash them or they've been brainwashed by those countries. They came from and put into slavery. Why can't we do we with that and teach them their free now if he come here leave that over there where they can probably be Americans that's modern dress and talk about a day leaving language aware alcohol. English is at United States law is the law is a language of the United States of America. Now I don't believe it now do agree that. We shouldn't have there's running for congress as special moves and I'm running for congress are a Muslim running for President Obama. Look at YouTube. Truth is Obama never would put his hand on his chest pledge allegiance to God and flag and said he spilled God he professed in the interview on there. Tapan Obama encouraged his medication. You'll find out that he spit on any Bible verses he would not quite a you found that you'll find out. He's the first president to kneel down and worshiping enemy mosque. No president prior had ever done that what a shame Obama was Obama created the worst medical care. Here Obamacare for the United States truth is it's not totally been abolished truth is it's not been replaced. You're having pay more out of your pocket for healthcare and it continues to rise under Obamacare. He's in those routers truth is we already had the insurance in place with Medicaid and Medicare when we need upgrading your free HealthCare coverage every man woman and child of light that he need to cover getting eyeglasses dental care for everybody. And we need to change the laws where we got Barrel Insurance. Yeah. Not put the burden on families. And not county is a jury or a property not count having a car as property. Are not as a necessity over the people we out in the country can get the town to go to dr. D. First semester, especially something in Parts. No not in every part of the United States of America. They said great every state to make it mandatory that they learn by Michigan covered every man woman child a cure Dental Care. Make me mad Medicaid and Medicare together. Let's make the no copay by making Medicare pick up regardless of the income income levels. Let's quit putting the cap on income level except for the rich, but and Whoopi Goldberg has no business Chris. I think May care and neither does any treats people my friends? Need to learn the truth Obama was bankrolled. Why has bought for him by Oprah Winfrey. She make loading not one term, but both of his arms, and she shouldn't be allowed to donate why under the political action committees their control donations what happened to the person being prosecuted if he got more than a million dollars. Well, I'm doing or more than $20,000 campaign donation. What happened to that person? Why under them investigate know why didn't the Obama investigate Obama were violations campaign laws? Obama's just as bad as Bill Clinton bringing the Muslims in he was an american-born don't care what he says. There's a big document and been born in Hawaii fake document. Have you seen proof of that my friends and we've seen proof of it is real birth certificate abused ain't for real. He was born in a way. He's making puppets on the document making look real and we my friends this concludes today's broadcast Saturday, and this is a Saturday June. My friend is 30 June. Eighth 2019 here. We are halfway through the year and if some of them will one and cuz I need Chris guys down here for your own Michigan military and Huron streets and Quay by the Black River and by the Roka session which night makes during day makes total noise people working there she'll decisions. You can't sleep. And my friends downtown businesses, the building should be zoned for people to live in any way. They should live in homes homes and houses and we're going to be fish and they can for them downtown. I think I did give the house. Why can't you get these people now stop? It's only been ten businesses for apartments. I don't know the answer about. Thank you. This is just one of many thoughts for you to think about and consider any quotes comments on my show. It's very much welcomed now care what the Twitter followers say my John Legend. He should quote Abe Lincoln beaches right not misquoting me going to call speech by former impression. Cody Wright a government for the people other people and the government by the people Now that as a way to his speech went at the Gettysburg address and you will say we're all created equal why so many laws on the books? Good evening, my friends. I'm your radio Podcast toast Cheyenne Montana Lopez for America every day God for your podcast show broadcasting to you today from beautiful, Port Huron, Michigan and across in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada. Only divided by the st. Clair River where Agassi thousand three foot for a delusion tankers and 500-foot 800-foot Raiders go through every day. It goes from one. Great lake to another think our river is some leeway here is the Blue Water Reggie only divides us to going into Canada to in front there and Canadians to America back home. We have more two guards standing dividing our country government standing wave free travel. My friends that the barriers need to be broken down. the truth needs to be brought out We have a problem in America today. I wish dr. Phil which I'm very disappointed himself. shame on him today free show Promoting a little girl confused. Let me pick that way actually is a little bite the mother was on the show and brother. Promoting the mother was promoting is okay for the boy who is 3 to dress as a little girl. Instead of saying it's wrong wait till you're 18 with your grown-up to make that decision decision to be what you want to and if you want to live that life, then you can change it. But until then you're my child. She should said that you abide by my rules. It's not okay for you to be this way. Dr. Fielding there one said anything about God he professes to be a Christian. Now if it's me and you and this mother thanks, you know the child see about dressing as a girl. on a video teach the teacher Now if it's me you would be charged with enticing would be charged with church. Like you said seducing would be charged with exposing. Ourselves to child the promoting pornography to child and let me see part. The mother should have been arrested. The child should take Ben take away. The family was right the brother the Mother and Dad. It's right that the mother was encouraging it. Therefore. She was brainwashing. I agree with the family shame on dr. Phil for saying that that child was not able to make its own decision if the mother was doing it for her right the child. In the child's name is James my friends single doctor feel who claims to be a Christian. He's not acting to act like it today shame on him. You're pushing yourself first. Here. You are. Dr. Phil. Who does it tell a real truth? Let's look at on these television show. How you He who comes on foremost his wife and age agreement hocus-pocus but yet he needs his wife Robin McGraw out of the show like a puppy dog on the leash. Now. That's cool, too. You butts on the leash now. Why can't he let her go freely and willingly if she's ready to go if she wants to go not as he would have a that's what He had been a slave and beating her down emotionally said you do what I do. Dr. Phil McGraw is the worst example of a psychiatrist today. He was any kind of speed. He should have placed God first as he tells everybody to believe in God. He should place it. Child's interesting. God centuries first. Not not. The mother centers that's why God gives us a choice live and see it or to become a Christian and that's why we're called. No it's not want to do this. He is pretty pretty shade of Oprah Winfrey is a no-good go in. You get the wire stripper and she bought bankrolled him to get into the last my plate. Yes. Yes our rights as parents. I raced it because your children to be what they want people to wait till they're 18. It's been taken away from us here. We got children in schools encouraging children to come out when it's 80 Did you six in school but these schools are not teaching them to each other everything instead. They're passing out condoms instead. They're promoting not celibacy, but for me, it's okay to be transgender. It's okay to be coming out as gay a knack and this is happening at the children the children now 10 11, 12, 13, 14 15 16. 17 18 19 20 years old and they're still teens studies show medically a child especially by is not mature and doesn't measure as fast as a girl. So you can't change the spirit of that which God created you to be you're born. Once you're born into this world as a boy your spirit Stacey. It can't change it as you can make inside the womb. You can't change it for isil. The spirit is God Peak to me. God didn't put confusions into man man's doing this to me and Satan its author Confucius and his demons and his followers are there's more corruption going on in this world today Satan and his followers and demons than there has ever been any time in this sexy, but yet we spend more money on. Canvas legalized in the child to get hold of it is happening in not just the United States. Thank you, Canada and worldwide the get whole canvas is getting severe sick dying. Are getting brain damage from studies show that Kevin's the marijuana in Paris with thinking same. He's I called us we spend as taxpayers thirty eight point six billion dollars in every time we tried to legalize marijuana in pot and it equals alcohol. We spend thirty eight point six billion dollars of the taxpayers dollars in There's no excuse for it. We should have recalled. Hope he called to those legislators passing these laws in each state assembly and urea is it gets up all under the federal government? Why ain't States abiding by the federal law which overrides any and all states? I ain't the abiding by the federal off we says it is unlawful to sell from remote or even use marijuana. We should be abiding by that all this plant. Federal government should be sent to the FBI FDA drug Food and Drug. They just skin. I fired back on alcohol agencies in to bust up the state lamps. Now today we got States becoming this counter loading it in to use it as recreational which is wrong. in Paris are thinking our decision making now we have other drugs. Why can't you take a Tylenol for paint it steady show. It doesn't it's not addictive. Studies show it does impair your thinking Tylenol. And if you get the extra strength you have champagne. I can't you get a leave which is good for 12 hours instead of the obvious. We spend more on going to and get opiates and other forms of drugs and clean canvas. Then we do / healthcare for every man woman and child great Medicaid Medicare. We spend more on marijuana. And I'll call any colleges more traffic at this because it's more deaths than any single thing there is but yet here, we are like children have to eat incanting best candy cannabis candy. Okay now seem to be canvas for dogs and cats as pets. We shouldn't be doing that. It's genocide my friends can decide now same way. But if you're allowing your child now what happened to DHS and I approve of the Catholic churches and Christian churches that had adoption agencies coming in to teach and take children away in instances like that mother today on dr. Fields show. Did take that child away. They were more straighter than we had more out morals. We had didn T. We have faith. We had hopes we were respected throughout this world. I agree with the air Nations that we are giant Satan. We have become a Satan. We walk in seeing you. He's got us by the chain. And we listened to it. We our forefathers today. You can bit are turned over in their graves because they're disappointed in the United States in ways become instead of a Nation founded of God by God for God and God We Trust we've become a nation of atheists and other sex to take over this governing Force Christianity. Christian's don't stand up on their own features. You don't abide by the rules of the Bible and trust me. I heard it time and time again that the Bible was written by man. Yes, because it's God speaking to man. Not man speaking this man. This is girls the river. I'll just start building. The ancient times in Israel does make the time of the Bible can prove that what other proof do you need including the ancient cities of Canaan the Ancients pant the holy lands are very wheel. What other proof do you need? My friends started disappearing? God is real you can sit there and tell me I died on the operating table. I've died going through a car racing car with dreck going off at 75 foot embankment. I was in a coma and they said something Angelic had to protect me something Angelic had to carry me out through the car something until they catch. Reserve protect me from a MM a bit drop to death off of a 20-foot fall front edge of death on a mountain something had to be there driving my car when it caught fire under the hood and the wires melted and get the car kept on driving something had to be their whole eating Angelic. Don't sit there and argue with me seeing and God isn't real I know God is real. I know what that doubt that Jesus Christ is real. I know without a doubt that there's a hell and you who are promoting an alliance ink six marriages, which is very much unconstitutional unlawful by God for marriage is sacred. Holy unto God is from man and woman not Steve is Steve and married and married American Laura the Steve. James it's not for that. It's not for the child. The Bible says for children was it are the children of this world with the are precious to God not to be able to take it away when a child dies. He's innocent if he does before we get able to understand God he goes to heaven. I don't care. What dr. Phil said a child is able to understand you three years old. No, they ain't medical and science proves that fact. They don't have the thinking capability because their brain isn't getting fully developed. Until they're in their twenties and teen years a child's not developed. That's why mother should have been charged with a crime her child taken putting it with that family and talk this confusion talk about God we since we have taken gotten out easiest and other sex to come into our country. Including the Arabs Muslims who want to take God out of you now, why don't you stand up you the Christians stand up as I am miss any of your rights sending up rise up rise up Christians rise up church is speak. God speak God and are cus tution I said the United States was of God was under Ronald Reagan. He had a government with guys forgot we didn't have God overcomes cheese in this didn't take God out sporting events. Our schools didn't take God out of anything. We had Bible taught in schools. We have lower crime back then. But today we have more violence among teams among Street violence. We have more they're more gangs and ever before in our entire history and it's all because God has been taken out of our country. We need to as a church as Christians stand up bring the Christian majority back. And wipe out all these non-believers and prove God is real by the word of the Living God and that is his son Jesus who died on the cross for you my friends. If we don't turn back it's going to be too late where you going to spend your eternity of God sends his son tomorrow we can do this too late and you're on your deathbed and find yourself in the likes of hell and burning. You're screaming your soul string together and God says I know you not. What you going to do when you can't gather? There's nowhere to go. And that's your there for eternity. Trust me. There is a heaven and hell you going to change your mind you will acknowledge that God is real you will acknowledge your deceit of sins and the web of called like a spider waiting to catch his prey you are victims of Satan Satan is the spider and catching you as its prey. He's ignoring you. He's writing washing you he's deceiving you and it happens every minute every second Around the Clock. Every second unless you stand by her. First name was Jesus. The Bible says then will your name of Jesus for his day and you'll be a knowledge in heaven. It doesn't say Jesus said quote where there's no other way where he says I am there is no other way to the father. But by me he says he is the truth. The way in the mouth no one comes unto the father. But by him it is Jesus who died a horrible death on that cross for you and get you compare yourself you here you are living in these asylum in tomorrow, and it's my God destroyed it. And it's not we having more earthquakes more tornadoes more floods more natural disasters in our history anytime ever before so I step into custody over and over and over. That's why I said I'm he's hit Japan. It's one of the other countries. Advanced what's going to happen when he comes of age? We're living in the signs of perilous times. Family is already happening in the world. And he says in the Bible it will happen. It says brother turned his brother. Sister against rather children and guess parents house really gets life in life. We get to experience it as predicted all this through generations. Everything has come true. Trust me, my friends may sound like I'm starting but I'm not use them in your script. I speak live in this is real hard coat backs. The real hard truth is it is the Living Truth of the world. We have lost our weights. We have lost their steps toward God. We have become more simple or disaster problem depending on man and God. I'm remanding years ago sociology. He says only reason we turn to God is because we fear and we're trying to solve things with God rather than our own that's why sociology is the study of it was my friends. The real truth is God you fear yourself? Really God you listen to man their than God. That is when speaking to you all alone answering you all and get you turn your back on. God didn't turn his back on you. Shame on. Dr. Phil shame on shows like Ellen DeGeneres poor role models for children. Not one thing is looking about God shame on Jim Parsons of this world. Blasphemy against the kingdom of God, it's hard to commit same is treason against the United States. Saying is that there's no difference increasing them blessing me and sins against God. Every me is happening. You're calling it change and that change dining with Satan around you it's time to break the mold and break the hold of suit and get loose wiring and repent. We need a great Revival in this country to waken. We need restoration of God door. We have less violence in this Chili's this confusion. That's why children are more and more children born with Down Syndrome autism other conditions and cancer is happening more and more every day. And if it's ever found a cure for trust me, we're friends. This will be another one to replace it. And so on. And it's not going to change until you repent and put God first and acknowledge that he is very much real it's only this all will dissipate it's only we it will not ever just like it's God has promised. He'd never put their again that's reacting truth and it's not going to fight. fans What are you doing in those days the wreck in the Bible a little things tends to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah saying God wrote down to destroy the tower about line same reason God destroyed Satan and cast him out and he is going to be equal to God in heaven. And the Great War coming is a time when God's Army and his mighty Army. Restaurants really real coming is a time that it is going to happen Satan and all the evils that come with you including your destruction because you believed and did not bleep God it's going to happen when it's going to be wiped away. A New Earth and a New Jerusalem will take place and you'll find yourself not in it. You'll find yourself name. You who are Christians and allowed transgenders in the church allow avoid come dressed as a girl with and say go home and change and rather tell the truth. You can't change the spirit of what you were born at. No matter how many sex change operation your spirit. If you were born as a boy your spirits going to stay there that as a boy. If you were born it because that Spirit was breathes life into you and it doesn't change it death. It is a change when you have a sex change operation. It doesn't change. Now that does this confusion God didn't create you that way. He never would never have. He created you perfect in his likeness the way he seems perfect to me. God has never made a mistake is man receiving in men lying to you. Is that characters 90 you you were addicted on drugs? That's what it's all about. We've had drugs become the god. Well, if whiskey in all its any and sequence crush and become the god. We're thinking this way friends Christ Giants in the fall and winter. Leaves fall off the trees. So will your life? Your crumble just exactly think about the soul of you that are lost and was that Jesus right now? You'll become is a set of keys if you lose it your soul smallest. And you're so won't go to heaven. the children Who are not yet saved? Or he could be a baby came into this world prematurely and the parent grief. Yes, right there childhood. Go back to heaven. That's how to be waiting on hoping you changed your life to become a Christian. Not with not supposed to place charting was Mary Mary and marrying Laura American roots are John and Paul children supposed to be with man and woman in marriage is supposed to be for man and woman sacred and holy it's in the Bible. All the Bible is truth. And things outside the Bible doesn't belong like and Alive men will just sessions man. Trust me. There's answers in the Bible. Just saying ladies is a woman is not supposed to have long or short hair like an eighth of a man or is a shame for a woman to be knocking that a man and a man walking that of a woman. We're not supposed to be I care when I supposed to take marijuana and all these openings and we're not supposed to take harm to the body. The body is a sacred Temple. Holy and sacred unto God. Given to us as a temporary shelter to take care of. Just saying with everything around us supposed to be taking care of this Earth. All right to go on Generations until Christ Jesus returns. Would not taking care of you as we should. It's really it's it's thirty eight point six billion dollars a year at Arizona State close to legalizing. And cut and it's really interesting that you'll sleep. Use tax breaks to those states are paying thirty eight point six billion dollars every time. And that's thirty eight point six billion dollars. It can go to upgrade Medicaid Medicare to cover every need for every man and woman and child. We already have Universal Health Coverage through Medicaid maker. We just need upgrading to cover every man woman and child alike. Was that cost dude the person without cost to the individual paying out his pocket for the Bible says the poorer you shall have the always. We can't be reaching into heaven G is the Bible is filled with numerous examples when Jesus told her the rich man, and the rich farmer. And the reach taxpayer he told him give up all their man all their belongings and give it to the poor and follow him and he will make him reach in heaven Richard what they are on Earth. Three years you can have billions of dollars and buy your way into heaven. It's false prophets. Seeing that deceive you coming is a time. What if you are these Muslims and Arabs into your country, they're wearing turbines on their head and he's hung down and they could be hiding grenades and other weapons under their I don't blame Quebec Canada or passionate all today that they have to get off. We get we should be allowed to me swear cross. Across it because it's across the Jesus. He died on his shed his blood for using lost a you might repent. Abraham Mohammed was just a man. He wasn't God. coming man Jesus said let's do and remember. Somebody said first going to Aldrin touring all over him over to him. He said leave me at the altar. prayed him my friends we have become nothing but Stark Main and depending on drugs and that Circle one day is going to be broken and that circle is got to be welcome beginning with you and your repenting and bring God back into country shingle people that dr. Feel today. We're encouraging and said he's okay for a child that child could think. So you see how wrong with that could eat you up shame on him. My friend said concludes today's podcast for America Everyday Life radio podcast show. It is now five eighteen PM by casting to you today from beautiful pressure on, Michigan. And trust me my fans give thanks to God here. It is 86 degrees and please stay and out of heat and humidity humidity. Give us like is Eric and above well above 90 out there today. See you in and stay cool. This heat hurts the person she's got asthma COPD emphysema. And trust me my friends seeing where you can have the fresh air to please. God bless. God Bless America happy birthday America. Let's restore our country back to the Constitution are for fathers wrote this constitution to be Let's restore God back into country and face back into country. You'll see violence among teens. You'll see. teen pregnancy disappearing You'll see all the crime and less need to drugs you see it going down. You'll see respect and dignity and morals and everything restored. You'll see our country suspected worldwide. God bless each and every one of us here in this United States of America. I pray father that you keep watch over our country. I pray for a great repentance and great Revival to restore you make the schools police military government leaders the courtrooms the sporting events. two families and homes father we have sinned against you. I pray for those that are sick and that believing you that they will be healed. I pray for your great big hand of power without. I feel like it's a baseball glove just reached down and cover them with your protection. What about the infirmities in famines? And the children are precious they know not what they do. It's man who committed sin against you. It's men who's been deceived by the hands of Satan father. I pray for a great and love and faith restored back to you. I pray for a fresh freshening and a refreshing of you back in the country and world. God be with us. And this our time. God be with us and rester restoring the church Victor we sleep and we supposed to be not government forcing their rice down people in churches that leading our constitutional rights rattling the Church of God's rights. Or it's just what these halls off of the books and restore marriage brick like he's supposed to be holy and sacred and Family's old and sick under God you are hard. Your son died on the cross words. No death was more horrible than Jesus when he screened and broke out crying and his bones shattered on the cross the date. Sky was darkened. And many fled when the saints were loose from the grave Lord. I pray I pray for your I know you're angry this world. No, anger has ever been felt so more so than ever before it is is stirring you the way people live today. Thank you. Thank you Lord for what you have done for me and all the Christians who still believing you. Or I pray that we will not be in bondage. Again. It's Israelites for once. by the Egyptians or I pray we will not be changed. Of the and become prisoners. Aren't those who want to wipe away all of us Christians instead. I pray for Christianity to be we start to America to prisons. And the pray for forgiveness that every man woman and child in like forgives those who have committed crimes and are imprisoned they who have served their trip and look in this Iran's and Lord. I pray that everyone forgives him. And gives him a second chance Mars is a Praying your holy name. Amen. And gives him a second chance Mars is a Praying your holy name. Amen.

How Dr. Phil is a hypocrite who claims he's a Christian. Yet on today's show a boy James who is age 6 now, but at age of 3 his mother allowed the boy to dress as a girl and to start calling himself Isabel or Bella and the boys mother encouraged him. While her family said she(the mother) was brainwashing a confused little boy who was 3 and now is age 6. I agree with the family. Because folks it's proven both medically and scientific wise a child that young is not fully developed in the brain and doesn't know what he or she is doing yet. We're all taught this. Dr. Phil today agreed with the mother and get this the child's mother showed him videos on sex change. The child should have been taken away and of itd lt was you or I we'd be charged for a felony. Why wasn't the mother charged charged with child abuse and the child put in a Christian foster home. How simple is it friends this mother further confused the child. Yet Dr Phil was wrong to support the child's mother. The mother should teach the child eAit till your age 18 and you can do what you want. What's wrong with our society today? Get this even a Lots Angeles County department of family and children services work who is on Dr. Phil's board of directors even supported the mother and Dr. Phil instead of correctly saying the mother was abusing the child both emotional and sexual abuse. This Los Angeles County department of family and children services worker should be fired by both the county of Los Angeles and the state of California. How many of you agree with me on this? How many of you agree the mother should let the boy be a child while he can and she should have encouraged him to wait till he was 18 and he could then do whatever he wanted? Do you all agree she was abusing the child?

Hey everyone, and welcome back to practically zero waste a podcast for making zero waste living as practical as possible. Thanks to everyone who's been following this podcast along from the beginning. If you have a chance to tell me what you think by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcasts, that would be so great. As I've said plenty of times before leaving those reviews really help spread the word about this podcast and more importantly these practical tips for living zero-waste. Also, go ahead and subscribe on your favorite podcast platform to get episodes right away when they come out every Sunday this week's cover. Ation is all about waste reduction Week Canada a national week dedicated to building awareness and challenging habits when it comes to single use everything. I chat with Dominique Marie a co-chair for a working group in Peterborough researching ways to reduce single-use products from homes to businesses to large corporations and offer practical and clever Alternatives. Let's go. Can you tell me a little bit about yourself? And what were you doing before starting or joining this working group? Yeah. I originally studied. Need environmental science at McGill learnt a lot specifically had more of a biodiversity background there and then fast forward finished University and I ended up working as an environmental remediation environmental scientists and a remediation company to even mean so so is that an engineering company? So they had a lot of different pillars and different things that they worked on but one of that was environment and so I worked with environmental engineers and scientists and geologists. And we worked on remediation projects for oil and gas companies and utilities companies that was in New York and New York City and around New York City and in New Jersey, I worked for companies like Chevron and ExxonMobil all of those companies. What is remediation? Really? What we're doing is cleaning up their mess. So remediation involved groundwater testing and soil sampling around their facilities and just seeing what was there and what needed to be cleaned up and they would pass to do that. So yeah based on, you know, governmental regulations and that kind of thing. I'm so they were mandated to clean up these rights to take locations. And so we were kind of monitoring we did are sampling as well and that kind of Stuff, so just monitoring all of these sites to make sure that they were compliant. That's great. Because if you don't have that information measured then you can't do anything about it. So yeah here with the people measuring at all. Exactly. Yep going into the dirty ground and he wants their really interesting a lot of knowledge gained there but a little depressing as well. Yeah kind of seeing all of the mass and waste those creative like working in a landfill. Yeah. Disappointed in the end exactly. Yeah, especially when you studied something as rosy as conservation and biodiversity. Yeah, obviously getting you know into an oil and gas site gas stations. I was at multiple gas stations around Queens in New York and Brooklyn and and then in New Jersey seeing all the sights there as well. It was definitely a lot to take on and a lot of them to just see and realize what's going on. On my husband and I were just looking for a change of scene. Obviously New York is a big bustling place. And while we enjoyed it for a while. We're looking for a little bit of a change nice. So finally coming back home. Then we kind of Switched both of our careers entirely. Wow, and came to work for my family business. What is the working group called? Yeah. So it's the single-use Plastics working group. Okay. Oh, yeah. What is that? And how did it come about? Sure, so it's really great group that was just recently formulated. As you know, it's pretty recent. We've only had I think we just had our third meeting. So awesome. Yeah still in the preliminary stages of kind of what we're doing and what our Focus will be but obviously focus on single-use Plastics. It was formulated to provide feedback to City staff so that they can put forward solutions to counsel and the form of a report that is that in response to is um, well actually gents or no. It was actually started by councillor Gary Baldwin. So this is kind of his brainchild. So he actually when he was running for city council. This was one of the Five Pillars he campaigned on and he as he was going to different constituents in his area was just Ashburn. Mmm. He realized that you know, a lot of people were behind this kind of idea of reducing single-use. It's reducing waste and so he realized you know, it was kind of a big issue and obviously it's gaining a lot of momentum not just in our local area. But globally so he definitely caught on to that and you know, he has six grandchildren. So that's a big motivator for him, you know to just leave this world a little better for them. So this was kind of his his idea to promote together, you know something for city council to really move on in terms of reducing single-use Plastics cool. So what does that look like and what did the goals of this working group? So as I mentioned, you know, we're kind of working on getting some ideas to provide feedback to city council and what we could do, especially just with some simple strategies to get not just consumers or you know the public in Peterborough, but also businesses involved. Industry so we're really hitting on you know, a lot of different areas and Peterborough and the big thing too is kind of who is comprised of this working group. So the group is comprised of eight different people as well as our chair or co-chair Gary Baldwin, so co-chairing with him as myself as well as Kate forest, and then there's seven more people on the The committee working group with me and they represent community members involved Citizens Business Leaders. So a variety of people from you know, Elementary education to post-secondary to business to high school students. So a lot of different people kind of working together to kind of pull our ideas on what we can do in Peterborough to help locally reduce single-use Plastics. That's a big one. Taking what's the timeline for this? Yeah. So the idea is to put together this report and present it to city council. So the reports our last meeting is going to be in December and so for the New Year, we're putting together this report so that we can put it forward to city council and then they can approve it and then we will can you know, we can continue to move on this and actually implement it and see it come to action. Okay. So what? It's going to be the outline of your report. Basically that we're still kind of working on what just exactly what those action items are going to be or those strategies but kind of right now is a phase where we're digging deeper and just looking at what we have locally what's working. Well, what we actually do have in the community that we can build on and then you know where we can maybe Source things locally provide Alternatives with I think the greater idea and it keeps kind of coming out again and again throughout our meetings is to find something that's going to be easy for people to use and Implement easy because otherwise people won't do it exactly I mean, yeah, it's just like if you've read statistics on active transportation and like the Netherlands or Copenhagen, you know, they're huge what we consider kind of like on the environmental Vanguard. Of active Transportation, but really they're not doing it for the environment they're doing it because it's the easiest option what is active Transportation just as a tangent. Yes any transportation that doesn't involve the use of vehicles. So I was with bikes going by King. Yeah. Okay solar blading. Yes all the options. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So the I'm looking for the most direct route and the easiest route for people to adopt I guess exactly. And finding, you know, locally made solutions. So things that are going to be easy to implement on the local level. Obviously, you know working with city council and the mayor and and you know that group were focusing definitely on the local obviously, there's lots of things we could do globally we could do. Oh, yeah and a double wide, but we're starting kind of seeing what we can do here exactly. That's part because I think the saying goes like think globally but Locally because locally is where action is going to be able to happen. You can't exactly okay world's. Let's all ban single-use, please. Yes, exactly. And you know, it provides a great opportunity for us to be a stewardship or an example or you know do pilot projects that then can grow and you can see the ripple effect surgeon. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah. So what is a single use plastic item in Pedro? Like what is under that category is adjust for Is it just bottles or bags? It's a lot of different things. Yeah, and it's not a defined category necessarily not yet. Obviously when we think about it, it's usually going to be your plastic bags. We're also looking at other items that aren't even plastic aren't even recyclable. But like, you know polystyrene styrofoam that kind of stuff. So we're even looking at those as well because we know those are issues for sure in this. The single-use realm? Yeah, well, they're not Plastics specifically but you know straws the bin and now there's millions of reusable straws. You can look into sold in plastic packaging. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, which is another thing we're looking at with our working group is trying to find you know solutions that aren't green wash that aren't yes, you know trying to prevent themselves as a good alternative, but when you actually look into it, it's not Such a great alternative. That's great. Yeah, because the whole purpose of this group is so that you guys can do research to present it to council so that they don't have to just like do a quick Google search and be like, how do I get rid of like this? Oh, I'll bring in this company a total green washing or something. Sure. Yeah, dive deep enough to get past that is so important exactly and like for the businesses to write who might be participating in some of our initiatives, you know, they're busy they're doing lots of stuff. I know myself, you know as a business manager and partner. Um, you know owner with my parents and stuff, you know, it's hard. You're busy, you know, you've got costs you want to do everything but you can't no yes. So again, just trying to make it easy for people to make the right choice. What amount of control will the municipality the city of Peterborough and area have over what businesses can offer their customers? So if we put a ban on Single use plastic forks or something like that or plastic bags. Would that only apply to local businesses or would something like Tim Hortons or Sobeys big grocery stores also have to comply and how does that work? Just within a single jurisdiction and stuff, right? Yeah. Okay today it is. It's definitely complicated. Especially, you know, it depends on the store and the structure of the business. - and all that stuff. I'm part of a franchise. So right it's locally owner operated people who are maybe franchise out. Maybe they're a little more of a local business, right? Even though they might have like a corporate background or that kind of stuff. So definitely options there to work with business owners. That's good. Yeah, that's true of bigger chains are stuff that are franchised out or that kind of thing, but definitely local businesses small businesses, of course, but also trying to do what we can for for the larger. businesses and in our community as well in terms of band locally different cities have done that and it has worked to some degree sometimes depending, you know, what alternatives are available and and just the awareness of Alternatives because one is maybe not better than the other we can get rid of, you know, single use plastic bags, but are the reusable bags they're using and giving away, you know creating more waste so they are so great. Exactly. So yeah have to watch out kind of what we're telling people to do and banning something but then you know, he offers no alternative. Yeah, so we're really trying to come up with good solution that will work and and not be, you know, just greenwashing or be actually worse for the environment. So impossible to uphold exactly. Yeah because people are busy and you know, I forget their bag and they you know, yeah, and then they're standing there with Like their kids crying in the cart and they have no reasonable bags and they don't want to buy more reusable bags because that's the only option like for sure. So we want to meet people where they are. This sounds a lot harder than it. I thought it was going to be very right. This is our meanings every every time we meet we get to kind of discuss this and go through and ask questions and try to dig deeper and try to see what other cities are doing what other options are out there. Are there any cities that you're taking is kind of a case study has anybody really done this yet? Not specifically we haven't looked kind of dug deeper into some of the other cities and what they're doing. Definitely there has been a big push within, you know, different cities in Canada Toronto Vancouver Montreal and you know, all the big cities are definitely trying to get behind some sort of waste reduction strategy in general and also definitely tackling the issue of single-use plastics. Yeah. It's Going along and you know, they're working on getting their strategies all together. That's so definitely lots of things we can look for and what they're doing and canada-wide as well as looking at the reduction Plastics and it's so hard like we've just said to reduce things without an alternative because there isn't really like for in Peterborough. For example, I say this almost every episode we don't have Municipal composting. Right yet and therefore things that are biodegradable or compostable are useless. They're just garbage right not going to biodegrade any faster in a landfill then something else would because yeah, you don't have the right right? You can't to Backyard compost this, you know, the exactly the one Plastics and that because corn needs sunlight to break down and he and it's not going to get that. Yeah, Alan so while it can and you know an industrial facility Lily and Peterborough right now. We don't have that. Yeah, it's coming. Is it coming? Do you have an inside scoop maybe like it's hard because in a lot of situations instead of a plastic bag you'd have a compostable bags instead of plastic forks. You'd have biodegradable corn plastic right or whatever, but it's like it's not a solution. It's just no no more expensive and still garbage exactly. Yeah, so I mean Mean while we may not be able to do a ban on certain items even just the strategy of asking people if they need it before they do need it or including it in something not needed or something like that. So we're looking at different strategies as well. You know, awareness based not just product based or behavior change. Yeah Behavior changes even just within not the consumer maybe but even a step further whether or not they actually I need it or they don't yeah that whole process of not offering a straw unless somebody says can I have a straw or right or a bag or you know eggs? Yeah, it's not if it's already in the bag a lot of people probably just be like, oh well and just leave. Yeah exactly rather not like don't bag things right away, even though that seems like the polite thing to do you say do you actually need bags today? Exactly Madam? Yeah, that's as easy as that or having reusable products available at different places. There are strategies that don't necessarily have to be like compostable or other things to reduce. Yeah, what alternatives are there? I guess we could have paper bags, right? I guess we moved away from paper bags in history because if it was raining it would break but like it was a few things with paper bags. I mean, you're also looking into forestry management. And resources that people consume things there's no really great alternative. Right? And I mean from the beginning we were taught, you know your arse, you know, and the first ones reduce it is but you you always end with recycle and it's like you glaze over Reduce Reuse exactly definitely reduction is something to look for for sure look and go through the ours Our Last Resort as recycling. Sighing yeah, I like it as a last resort last week's episode. I was talking with Lori nickel from Second Harvest and she was saying that you should be composting almost nothing if you're using your food properly. Yeah, nothing like you shouldn't be oh look at me. I have tons of compost I throat like half a loaf of bread even though it was still okay, like, you know, it's your last resort is worsening. So I'm sure in composting gets hard in the summer with watermelon rind stuff. I heard just today about something called a food cycler or it's a small appliance that sits on your countertop and it will break down your food in three hours and apparently takes less energy than boiling the kettle full of water anyway, so that's a random product that I was like I took a dehydrator basically and so it looks like it's no bigger than like a coffee maker and a big coffee maker. But like it comes well put your food scraps in and then then it kind of breaks it down and dehydrates it and looks like a bunch of dried leaves and you take it out. Anyway, cool little Superman know there's yeah not a water content and vegetables and fruits. So there you go. Dehydrate them all be hydrate your watermelon sprinkle it on your lawn in front of your apartment building. Yeah for sure. I don't know how we got on that. It's all connected. So where would the bin if there were a band kind of not? Cover like places like nursing homes hospitals. Not an easy. No Force, obviously when you're working with health concerns, you know biohazards. Yeah, that's a whole just leave that at all. Yeah, but I think a lot of the Bands would mostly I mean the biggest ones focusing more on like plastic bags and that kind of thing so not as applicable to maybe those sectors and but if you're looking at straws or something like that, you know, there are alternatives now, you know with paper straws or more usable. Yeah others. I saw recently like they were making straws out of spaghetti. So that's like a new thing. It's you have a gluten allergy. Yeah, they do like rice once but so definitely there are alternatives that can be thrown out or Recon posted in theory. Yeah, I don't know if we've had biohazards. If you can't come I'm stumped. So in grocery stores would we be able to reduce the amount of produce bags that are in use because yes grocery bags have always been part of the conversation for Waste reduction and people have all these beautiful probably take longer to biodegrade reusable bags. In circulation now too, but the conversation is not always fallen to the produce bag side of things. So can we just let go around and get rid of all of those stupid wheels of flimsy plastic bags? Yeah, that'd be part of your action items. Yeah. I mean, it's great what they're doing in terms of, you know, so be so sad, they're going to get rid of all of their plastic grocery bags and that kind of thing. So they're definitely moving in the right direction. Fin in terms of the produce bags. I mean that might be more on the consumer awareness and especially since I mean, they're provided but they're not smell like you have to use them. No, but we've definitely been conditioned right for sure. Yeah. I'm just like the crazy lady that walks around with like whole handfuls and we're honest just like throws it on like below the bottom of your shirt and like scoop all your oranges. Yeah, exactly. Yeah like piles of stuff. Tough, but so I mean it's alternative CPI middle easterners to this podcast know that you can just like put it loose in your guard and that it's fine. It's been touched by so many hands of this point that it's not going to get it's not going to be cleaner now having been in a bag you just wash it when your party yeah because what you know a little drop of vinegar in your water wash, that's great. That's great because that Glee exactly that's exactly how are you it's so you don't even need a bag you just throw it all in. Yeah, like I said a bunch of cloth These bags but I don't really use the yeah, I only use them when I do like box stuff. Oh, yeah box going for lentils and peas and Grains candy. I buy a lot of candy box stores. Yeah. I'm an adult. I have my own childhood stash. Yeah, and there's great stores that are now, you know, it's kind of widespread. I think originally in places it was is a little bit of a No-No to bring your own reusable containers or reusable bags or that kind of thing. But now all of these different places are warming up to it and even adding more like opportunities and options for different products for you to purchase. So, you know, we've got great options the longest-running the main ingredient. Oh, yeah has been longest running one in Canada. Yeah. I know and I cool see so the main It has been a huge I mean Bulk Barn even giving certain little spiffs if you on some weeks. I think they are doing a little bit of a promotion with the bring your own bag and you get something off and then Joanne's even with their new renovation a huge new section of bulk foods. Yeah. The one on Landsdowne were the one the one on Landsdowne rule. Yeah, so to health food store in Peterborough. But yeah, that's great. Yeah, so a great you know, they much Larger option now for and you can bring your own bags and Peter Pros great. I complain about the composting and all the things all the time, but I'm very proud of all of the things happening in Peterborough. And I mean when we're talking about sourcing and that kind of thing, we just actually for our last meeting that green up obviously green up a great organization doing loads episode 16 anyone's looking learn all about it. But yeah, lots of people to engage with the community with this whole working group has been really good for sure. And yeah, so we had our last meeting at Greenup and obviously Kristen does a great job at their store and she's really thorough with you know, making sure nothing's green wash and that it is actually, you know, as environmentally conscious so you can push back on, you know, different companies to say, you know, hey this ended up coming up and packaging and it was supposed. You know, what? Supposed to have as much packaging or its kind of deceiving that it came with that much packaging so really putting a hard line on whether that's good purchased from them. So yeah, so they're doing great stuff new store sustain that popped up as well downtown Pedro. Mommy's to refill and ritual Apothecary also has lots of great refill options. So lots of lots of stuff popping up in Peterborough. It's obviously, you know, and talking with all those things, you know. Great for the health food stores in the eco-friendly stores to be doing it, but we really want to make it accessible for everyone. Yeah, exactly. So, how do we get with your waste reduction week starting tomorrow Monday? What campaigns are going to be put out to kind of start this Behavior change? Yeah. So for Waste reduction week, it's really a great opportunity for people to just kind of learn more about waste reduction and what they can do and what they could do it is business and and kind of what the idea is in terms of waste reduction in Canada because this is Canada wide so you can actually go on the website and learn more about it. It is wrw canada.com so you can go on the website check it out. There's lots of different communities that are pledging to waste reduction Week Canada, just like we did I'm good. We had a little spot on checks TV about it. I just recently kind of proclaiming so the city actually proclaimed October 21st to the 27th waste reduction weeks weeks. So it's a recurring thing every year and each day is a different theme. So you start off with Monday talking about big picture stuff. So it's kind of the kickoff and talking about circular economy how great yeah, so kind of how we can close the loop and reuse and then Tuesday's talking about textiles. Textile Tuesday. Is it in textile recycling at all? Like is there any conversation about that? Yeah, there's a lot of different conversations and it is mostly canada-wide. So in Pedro yet. We haven't, you know done a separate agenda for Waste reduction week as you know, we're just starting this group and and getting things going maybe next year. We'll have a bigger part in it. But yeah, so textile Recycling and how to properly use your textiles and Pair of hair. Yeah, great, Wednesday talking about Champions and innovators. So, you know kind of what's coming up at the Forefront of waste reduction and then Thursday is Plastics and packaging. So that's kind of our jam and what what we're into Friday is in your food waste so talking about food waste and reducing food waste obviously big component and then Saturday is swap share or repair. So cool. Opportunity to obviously on Saturday get together with your friends and maybe put together a swap share repair day and then Sunday is e-waste. Oh and ago anyway stuff. Yeah. So looking at you waste programs so good. That's great to be able to have it all into different categories to because yeah, it's a little overwhelming to just say hey reduce your waste and you just kind of like but garbage is everywhere or how am I supposed to do? Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's great opportunity kind of just think about it and take each day and read about it online and see you know, what you can do in terms of reducing your waist. They're all on Twitter. So I think Twitter is the mode of communication for Waste reduction Week Canada, so they do have a Twitter account and you can follow along on Twitter and you can follow along on their website as well. There's lots of good information there to each Day is sponsored by a different business as well. So yeah, the beer store is part of the circular economy kickoff. Yeah, they've been doing that for decades. Yeah, exactly. So again, you know talking about what we can do but also, you know what's going well and what we can kind of build upon exactly because I can't talk about this whole conversation without being like but wait we are doing good things. Yeah, I'll do man Gloom exactly accomplished quite a bit already. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, as I said, there's there's great examples to be seen, you know, not just throughout Canada but throughout the world and all over so we're definitely kind of picking apart the good things that are going on and how we can you know Implement some of those locally if we're not already. Yeah, and then building upon what we have already. So the point of reducing single-use items in general not just plastic. I think it's obvious we want to extend Life of our landfills. We want to extend the life of our planet. We want to cities to be cleaner. But how much longer will you know say the city of Peterborough is Linfield currently as it is last if we reduce single-use Plastics dramatically hard to say our current landfill has about 13 years okay to go. Yeah before it's reached capacity and we have to find a new place to put our eggs crash cheese. So Yeah, 13 years at flies by uh, so yeah, I mean it would definitely make a dense hard to say the composition exactly of how much it would reduce. It depends on the percentage. I mean just in general plastic waste is there really big issue, you know, only a small percentage of it actually does get recycle the former talking about the Recycled portion. Oh, yeah, especially with the whole remember to wash your recycling people being right? Honestly, that's just Yeah, so I'm gonna Ding and making more garbage exactly. So about 86 percent in Canada ends up going to the landfill for percent goes to incinerators and 1% ends up as litter really. So those are statistics in Canada. So it's a lot of plastic that's wasted even when we're talking about recycling. I think it's also another great reason why we're trying to reduce it at the Source yeah birthday whether that's you know consumer is getting products or businesses providing products because I think people are seeing that there was recently a CBC Marketplace Spotlight on on the issue and it going overseas and not being actually recycled. So, I mean, I think people are more and more aware of this and are seeing this and I think recycling is while it can be good is also a disheartening at this point. So I think a lot of consumers are are interested in other ways of reduction, you know, rather than going to the end and recycling because not a lot of it ends up recycled. It is a real issue in Canada and just canada-wide. I was actually we were recently on this towards zero waste towards zero plastic waste in Canada presentation a webinar that happened first that was put on by environment and climate change, Canada. Yeah, so it was really eye-opening in terms of you know, what's going on. What's not getting recycled as I mentioned but then also just the opportunity that they're seeing to recover the value from plastic packaging and that kind of stuff so it could really actually be around 80 to a hundred and twenty billion dollars like US dollars per year as like a global opportunity to recover that value from those plastics. It's so thin king of it in terms of like a circular economy. Oh, so being able to develop packaging that is reusable and returnable like at the beer store. You can bring yeah and properly recycle was he nice? Yeah, so I mean there is an opportunity, but the only thing is with businesses is when you're talking about kind of closing the loop and getting somewhere you need someone to want to buy those products that have been old plastic turned into new plastic and a lot of the time those recycled products are actually more expensive than Like the Virgin new products, so I think it's just, you know, the cheapness of yeah plastic right now and just how much you know cost goes into producing and recycling a new you know plastic from the old plastic versus something like a glass bottle that could be returned to a company and immediately sanitized refilled exact back out. It doesn't have to be you know, it's not like a package. Age that has been torn open melted down recreated and then sent back out again like that. Exactly more work. Yeah, and I mean these are things you know, things were thinking through as a working group is, you know, if you are trying to create some sort of circular economy and businesses don't you know want to spend the extra money especially, you know, the smaller businesses for sure aren't going to watch it, you know pay that they don't have kind of the margins to pay for. Exactly products like that. So you don't want local businesses to suffer from this right exactly Edition know for sure. So looking into definitely partnering with different businesses that are suppliers of you know products whether they be reusable alternative to single-use Plastics. Yeah, looking to work with businesses and then seeing if we can also have businesses work together as well exactly just like teaching them to take this on. I really like the idea of reuse. Us and working with businesses, like is there some sort of thing that we could commission like a reusable takeaway Cup right for all of the places that serve coffee in Peterborough that you can take a couple Evac up sort of thing. Like if you have got your takeout from this coffee shop in the morning and you again get another one on the afternoon or the next day you go somewhere else. You can drop those cups off anywhere and pick one up anywhere. Yeah heard of thing for sure. Yeah. Definitely things that are on our radar and that we've seen and we're looking into for sure. Yeah. I love it when things we've talked about and I know we haven't mentioned it but as well schools are a big thing, too. Yeah getting involved in the school. So we have a few Representatives on our on our working group from you know, elementary high school and as well post-secondary, even the teachers or students from both level. So well teachers real Okay. So this is like Noah ten-year-old. Yeah. Well, you know we have student who's in high school a teacher as well and at Fleming so lots of yeah, lots of opportunities with schools. There are looking to reduce their waste obviously waste is a cost for them to obviously there could maybe be some other options that we can look at to helping schools and reduce waste and even if it's just, you know, continuing awareness program. I know Greenup has had awareness programs in schools about Recycling and reducing and and you know your arse and exactly yeah, so yeah, so schools are also going to be a huge huge portion of it to is it an option as part of your working group to implement some sort of higher cost for Waste pickups or two things. So I know that you have curbside pickup, but beyond having one bag or one can or Nothing, like is there extra cost you have to pay for tags to have people pick up garbage? I think could that be an option for reducing waste because if people don't want to pay for it, or will that just lead to more dumping in the woods? I don't know. Yeah. I mean that's if you've run into I guess also the code thumping. I know as a business I've had people dumping are in our bins and the people in some cases that Creating more single-use garbage or have fewer choices when it comes to being able to afford products that are packaged for your whatever are going to be the people that also can't necessarily pay for their own tags. Right? So like that's not a fair thing actually maybe businesses could be. Yeah for sure businesses are already paying a little bit more as it is. Yeah in their interest to reduce the pickup for recycling. It's a to bag maximum believe so for a lot of Businesses that run, you know a lot of the same for garbage or just recycling because it's almost discouraging just recycling. I'm aware of it as recycling. I'm not a hundred percent sure in terms of its kind of image. Yeah, I'd be surprised that they wouldn't do it. Yeah, both Recycling and garbage are there ways that people can get involved with this working group at this point or are there ways that people could start them in their own cities. Yeah, I mean at This point we're still kind of in our own Zone trying to figure out what we can put on the report, but I'd be happy to field any emails if anyone has any good ideas or things that they've seen in other cities or things that they've seen online that they think anybody has any advice for this working group. Yeah, and that kind of information for sure as we're going through and thinking of some options. So definitely if people I'd be happy As one of the co-chairs to float my personal email out there. Sure. Yeah and and get any feedback that anyone has yeah in terms of how to start one in your own City. I mean, we were quite lucky to have a counselor that was behind this initiative and was really focused on on providing that but I think you could just also just get together as a group within a city and come up with your own. Friends and solutions and kind of think through the same things. We are, you know, look for your local Solutions and look for what other people are doing and see so I don't think it has to just work within you know city council. Yes, they might be able to help with potentially some funding potentially, you know backing of different programs I Citywide so it's definitely helpful and a little bit more authority to exactly putting yeah things with businesses as well. Yeah. So obviously it it has a little bit more leverage in terms of helping in the city. But if you're in a city like Peterborough that has you know, 80 however many people your city councilors are fairly available 80,000 Peter Rosalia bigger than the surrounding areas. Well like a hundred thousand. Yeah counselors are available and you know get counselors would love to talk. With you, so if you are able to reach out to the one that's for your burrow or your area, then you could definitely let them know that you're developing a report like this and that and you could always see if they'd be interested in collaborating like yeah in Peterborough or just because they're busy and they want to get things done. So give them the stat. Yeah, if you show initiative and you know, you're working on something. I'm sure they'd be happy to back you up and and Help you out. Is there a format for a report like this or it's literally just like this is our list of action items. And this is what we're proposing we can do some Alternatives find me on Instagram barely Peterborough specific and report will be coming from our staffers. So it'll be definitely something that could be replicated in other cities in terms of just basic reports or strategies or that kind of thing, you know, Vancouver and Toronto both have strategies that Oh great, you know put out there so you can have a look at that and see as an example of kind of a strategy they have great websites to so they're all user friendly and good and easy to maneuver and kind of you know, very infographic e kind of to look at so great examples of really good things and just awareness building. Yeah. Yeah cool. So definitely Follow You Know city council and what they're Doing following the city of Peterborough. They usually put out, you know, when there's any reports or you know, if you're the kind of person who digs down into city meetings. Yeah always find those online that's true. And if you ever wanted to just to look up they always post what their agenda is going to be for City Council meetings on Monday nights are interested go to the ones that interest you and you know, is there any sort of public participation in those or just literally just listening to it depends on I don't know at what point, you know after the report has put out, you know at that point. We'll see kind of what it means in terms of Engagement. And I'm sure we'll be looking for a lots of people to help out. Yeah, in terms of Engagement and businesses want to meditations and implementation. Yeah. So at this point we're we're more on the investigation and research and figuring things out side. Yeah. So yeah, so long process. It is. Yeah, it's a long process and we want to find something as I mentioned that's you know going to work and going to work for everyone and it was a long time ago and you know work for us now to because you know, we mentioned we can't compost now so different things that you know, we're looking to that's great. Thanks again for listening everyone. If you want to learn all about waste reduction weekend that you can head to wrw canada.com to find it the daily themes and help spread the word if you enjoyed today's episode you'd probably We also enjoy episode 18 with Luke's tour and episode 28 reusable Revolution. You can find those in our archives wherever you get your podcast is your city reducing single-use and switching to a more circular economy. We'd love to hear all about it. 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I am Starstruck right now the world to do it myself. This is The team is back together and we have a special guest. That's the Cobra Kai AfterBuzz TV team with mr. Mariko. Welcome to Studio man. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Just learning all about this world. Yeah. Yeah, you were talking about the you know the difference when you were brought like the original Karate Kid and now promoting Cobra Kai and just the difference of the press. Well it back then I mean I was doing Cagney and Lacey I didn't even have time to run off when they came out with the movie. I was on some other project in Eugene, Oregon and I all I remember is you know, Ralph did press and And Pat Morita did some press and John avildsen did some but it was really interesting because when the movie premiered my at the time my wife saw it with my son and I said well, how was it? She saw its great was traffic. It's a great movie, you know, and I said, how was I and she said you're okay is critic for sure. You know, that's all I knew about the movie because I was doing a series and then went off to do this movie the week and and then after a while it just you know, it seemed to be so important. I think years later it became so important to so many people as time progressed in you heard these stories from people, you know, it was just a well done movie with the terrific script and how long after the original one came out. Did you actually see it him him as a while. I think it was about three months. Really? Yeah. I was up in Eugene, Oregon doing this picture. With Brian Keith the time and it was the 84 and yeah, I didn't see it. I mean it wasn't around and I was working with shooting nights with an action thing and I would say two to three months after the premiere in on Hollywood Boulevard. I would see it. You know, I really liked it. But I you know, I didn't know would move so many people so you didn't attend the premiere. Oh, no, I didn't tell you to come back for it. I didn't I didn't come back for I don't No, why you know, it's interesting to think back what was going on. I just couldn't get out of this one moves ER and like now I was able to, you know doing a film called VFW in Dallas and I was able to things have changed I was able to not only go to the premiere while shooting the movie then go back to finish the film and then go to a convention in Washington, then go back to finish the film and then go to a convention in Dallas and Last week we flew in the morning Billy and Ralph and I in the morning on Saturday flew to LA to do an Emmy event and then flew back in the evening to finish the Comic-Con. That's a world. That is cool. This is a whirlwind, you know, this is the world of being a superstar the digital age digital age. So you are one of the toughest tough guise of all time. You've been working playing action roles for what 40 years now. Yeah. Yeah, and the icing on the cake is that season 3 has now been greenlit of Cobra Kai. This is the most it's the most watch premium digital series ever and we have a third season coming up pretty soon. So congratulations to you excited about it. Thank you. Yeah, you know, it was brought to me and it was written, you know, parrot analytics declares this the most watched, you know digital show on the planet and your only competition or network its game of throne. So that was really just you know, since I Love Game of Thrones that and so does everybody else that that was great to have that as your competitor. Yeah, you know and it's a pleasure to be part of something so well-written thanks to you know, Hayden schlossberg and John hurwitz and Josh Hill, I've told the story many times where they persuaded all of us, you know about from Billy first and then me to come in and heh, Episode 10 on for myself on season one to set up season 2 and they knew more about our characters and we did I mean they just knew everything and even when I came up with suggestions, they already had it. Yeah, right. Yeah, I want to do back stories about Vietnam and talk about how Cobra Kai got its name and why I was so uptight about you no mercy for the weak and all they had it. They just had it. You know, they knew it and I have legal papers full of notes that I worked with on I met with some Army Rangers and you know because that's what he was in Vietnam and they had they thought about all this already, you know, so it's such good writing, you know, I haven't worked with such good writing since the days of Cagney and Lacey since the days of doing the initial movies all three of them, so when they met with you and were, you know talking and obviously I mean in / to persuade everyone I mean first What was it? I mean that persuaded you guys all to come back and has that been a pitch to you guys in the last, you know, 30 years never is a series everybody has an idea about how to do a sequel another sequel to a hit movie. I mean whenever whenever you you know, I'm a big Western fan. So whenever someone pitches me an idea about a buddy movie, it's just like Butch and Sundance, right? Exactly. It's like Lethal Weapon It's really Lethal Weapon meets Butch and Sundance, you know, and That doesn't qualify anything sure, you know, the written word is what it is and they were very persuasive but they were really intelligent, you know, and whatever they have expressed over this. I guess it's September. So this September will be two years that we had that initial meeting and whatever they perceived has happened what they said was going to happen when the show aired. Code 10 season one did what happened in episode 1 season 2 based on season one did all the you know, the the carryings-on about John Kris and all and I had no idea that he was he just meant so much to so many people whether you love to hate him. I hate to love him. He's a very interesting character, you know now he's interesting because they riding him with versatility there writing him with all kinds of Texture and color and even more in season 3 and that's what's so fun to play. It's not fun to play just a stoic tough guy from Karate Kid 1 where can you really go with that? You know what me speaking of which you know the Arc of your characters. Now as you're saying really getting to be fleshed out we're going to really see this whereas in 1984 that grim look was was the character right? It was like a cart almost like a cartoon villain. He was in culture. It's become that characters face has almost become like what it is to be that guy. Bye and so for you is it fun to get to for 30 years be thinking about the back story of this character and now actually see it to realize it to guess. I mean, it's really an actor's dream to be able to do all of that. But everybody knows your Basics, you know, so many times you have to really create let's say a show for the audience to see the you have to create character one two, and three within yourself. So they see what your personality is. All about here the world knows where he's coming from, you know, he's coming from a dark place and now we're finding out why you know, which is really interesting. It's like my favorite bad guys were probably Klaus Maria brandauer German actor in in one of the bottom movies and stuff on Waltz in Django, you know, these were like oozing with charm beasts. They were the best and you know, Anthony Hopkins the you know, and so that's interesting to play and it's be great to know and learn a lot more about this, you know stoic but people quote as a monster from 1984, you know, do you like the sympathy the sympathy that your character? I mean people are like, oh man. I actually I feel for him now knowing what he went through and I asked you don't want to I feel for the character and I don't want to feel for the character. It's much more complex. Well, it's interesting because When we went to Austin and we did a world premiere at the Austin Film Festival South by Southwest there. And every time I came on every time I came on we should have several episodes. There was I mean, it was amazed every time and as an actor, I wasn't even thinking dark thoughts. I remember as because it wasn't so long ago what I was dealing with his an actor at that moment and then it and it wasn't it wasn't. It manipulates if it wasn't like on it wasn't Vengeance. It wasn't you know self-centered. It was something else totally and yet the reaction from the audience. Like I'm really ready to pull down, you know bomb the World Trade Center again to something terrible, you know, you previously mentioned. I know you had a quote that you said like kids used to come up to you after the original and a couple of the you know sequels and say, oh you hurt Ralph and you enjoy kind of being that like Darth Vader villain What is the reaction from this generation, you know and they do a good job in the show. We talked about this at length that you know being politically correct? And they kind of shy away from that at certain times. How does the politically correct and like, you know, the Millennials and gen Z view your character and what's their reaction that you've seen today? It's very humorous. There was a Tweet someone tweeted a picture of Thanos. Yeah, I picture of the Ice King and a picture of me. And in the tweet it said it said the world I can't use that language with the world is messed up in April and and then you had the picture of the three of us like the darkest characters in cinema overall together, you know coming to your television or in your movie theater in April. Yeah. Yeah, if you had a dollar for every time somebody your life is told you to sweep the leg. How many times you I mean do what? Like how many we could buy? Yeah, this building probably take over CBS in Valley. Yeah, you know a lot, you know, it's something that caught on but if you think about it, how many movies can we say, you know, it constitutes the greatness of a picture, you know, all those things. We can remember are only from good movies. Like, you know Raiders of the Lost Ark we say Frank? I'm just making this up as I go along when and the force be with you and Make him an offer. He couldn't refuse and Play It Again Sam. Yeah, I'm sure we could all think but we couldn't think of any more than 10 or 12 are over the last in Casablancas. I would say since 1940 probably we can only think of about 12 movies and their quotes and I believe that constitutes a classic. Oh, yeah, you know what I think is really interesting about the Karate Kid is by today's standards because it because of what we're talking about with your character that sort of 80s villain people think about it as a sports movie. Fun kids sports movie That's a classic people. Forget Pat. Morita was nominated for an Oscar. That movie's a that movie is the same director the director Rocky like this is an all-time movie. And so there's a real there's a real friendly quality to it because it's a Kids franchise, right? It's like it's not for children necessarily, but it's very children friendly and I think people forget that sometimes and it's nice that with this new series out people revisit these films and remember the true quality of those movies and specifically that first Karate Kid film is It's a great movie. Yeah, it really is and there are times when I think we went to a convention once and Ralph and I were standing behind the screen and they were showing the movie it was a New York convention and they were showing the movie and there was the last 10 minutes and then we came on Billy wasn't there the time and we were in the back in the final scene of the tournament was happening and where we could only see it in reverse and we still got chills we still. And God knows how many times we see here. We still got chills and I believe you know, there are three things that happened in that movie One People identify with being bullied to they also identify with being a fish out of water the parents were in the military or whatever and three there's a romance in someone's life in 1984. That was astronomical that did not work out, you know, or maybe did work, you know, but those are the three elements in the characteristics that we find mostly when we talk to people of why they recommend this movie to their kids and why they kids recommend it to their kids. You mentioned a slight little comment there of saying it didn't work out or maybe it didn't work out and that is one of the biggest teases obviously it ends the season 2 of Cobra Kai where we see Ali, you know had the friend request on Facebook and there's a lot of people looking up. Will she come back next season will Won't she howl that all work out? Is there any hint that you can give the fans now that we know there's going to be a season 3 about her character's role in that season. We don't really know very much. I mean as actors, you know, I haven't quit even tell you what the scripture like, I talked to John night before last and he just says there's a lot of crease but I mean, you know, and we never saw I never saw when I you know, I don't want to spoil for anybody who hasn't seen season 2 but in the final So dove season 2. I never knew I did that to two weeks before we don't really get those scripts. You know, would you like to have her come back and then in how would you like her character to be shown in season 3, you know, it's interesting question because I thought about that and how you know, because Billy now is he's in trouble again, you know, and you know Johnny Lawrence is it's interesting question. I thought I think that it would be interesting for her to come back. I would be interesting for her because he he doesn't have much now and I think he would his character would put so much emotional. I would say stability on that girl, you know, when you're down and out you're not working and you're an actor you all of a sudden your relationship has become so important. It's what we lean on because everything else is really tough. We've been blowing the auditions blowing and you know, you put all that emphasis on the relationship. I think that's what he would do and that would create great drama and there's great trauma, especially on how I would deal with me and Ralph and you know, and in case you haven't heard this one the thing that a lot of people are talking about is that she's actually Tory's mom. I heard that you know, I yeah, it was it was an unconfirmed leave ya of talked about that Tori's last name was schwarber, which is a Leigh Mills schwarber as we see. She also says the line Tory working on my tour with a why by an ally in the first movie says with an i, right. So it's like the throwback you can connect that people have theories about the yeah. I mean you have to remember that these Riders are so astute they've gone as far back is going into the archives of Columbia and fine cuts and angles that weren't used in the movie but a present the scene is present and and so the angle is just an angle that wasn't used so they put that in our show, you know, so the it doesn't surprise me that you know, How he was an eye and and Tory with an eye, but you know, they're always grabbing little bits and pieces which make it really interesting and allow the audience to relive watching Karate Kid also could be a diversion. I mean they know exactly what they have us in the palm of their hands. Yeah, right because it's such a good series, you know, I would love to continue along the Pat Morita line and just your memory and And thoughts about working working with him. Well, I I I was given this script the audition process. I was given this script told I had a whole week to prepare the very next morning. I get a call that I was very next morning. John Hamilton wants to see you on the set. Now I said, well you said I have a whole week to prepare and she says no it's now or never I was so angry so upset. So my wife said to me use all these feelings you have and be just you know. All right now and it was the scene of Mercy is for the weak where I'm walking up and down and so I brought all this into the meeting with John avildsen and I berated him and I said you're an ass say we wait for years to meet directors of your quality and you save you and I give us time to prepare and you don't you're a real ass. And so we you Carol Jones Mercy is for the weak went right into it just really used the Venom of the anger. I felt of not having time to prepare. He loved it. Send me to Jerry White. From Jerry Weintraub came four days too. Late to the meeting was in Europe. I berated him. I just ripped him a new ass, you know, and boom he loved it and he sent me to guy mcilwain. So when I had to read for God Michael and his head of the studio, it was on the set with Pat Morita and Patrick Rita is working with me and and John avildsen is assistance holding the camera over shoulder and Pat was so generous. We did two takes Takes for takes any shooting the show that day and he was so kind. He guess the vibe is between us was so rich and he knew I was so right and I would go in the bathroom and do that berating but I couldn't berate head of the studio. He was there so I would make me to do my emotional research screaming yelled to come right out and work with Pat didn't blink an eye lash didn't you know wasn't intimidated just went right into the scene and it was you know, that's the sealed the whole thing is working with him. And then we go out for drinks occasionally during the year and see each other. He was a wonderful guy very, you know for someone who was not literally considered at the beginning and Jerry did not want it and then John made a little film of how funny this guy is and how real and he sold Jerry Weintraub on him, you know, probably within a month month and a half later. So we have a live chat going on right now. We have a couple dozen people. Watching again. We talked about the poorest you all over the globe. It's incredible and people are asking questions in the live chat. I want to be able to shout them out and black Robin 71 actually has two variants your question. He said in your backstory, do you imagine Kris ever having a family or children? He had he had in Vietnam, you know, it's when he was very young and I don't believe that he had children or CDs the things we've played with and we've talked about with the writers. I believe in Vietnam could have a child and he certainly had a lover in Vietnam female and that Brings on R. I can't really talk about that. But that brings on a lot of the problems in Vietnam that ultimately were carried into the dojo. You know, Mercy is for the weak based on you know, the Viet Cong children coming in looking for chocolate looking for something and then had a little remote as if it's in Afghanistan and blowing up and losing a lot of my platoon members by being merciful by being kind and That's part of why John creases the way he is, you know, it's not totally unmotivated at all, but you but you sorry. Oh, yeah. I was just going to say we obviously in season 3 did get this back story of Vietnam and we she's got she's into I'm sorry. I'm already getting ahead of myself here because I want so bad. But uh, so we get this back story and we get to see the layers of drunk creases. Well, do you think there's but at the end of the season, you know, he kind of goes back to that rock hard kind of evil exterior. Is there more of a chance to see more vulnerability from this character unquestionably? I mean, I don't think of it as going back to that rock hard what he's doing in what he's doing throughout the show is protecting the Integrity of Cobra Kai in other words what Johnny did and I don't know how much you wouldn't say because you don't want to spoil anybody who hasn't seen but he felt that integrity was being jeopardize the Integrity of Cobra Kai. It's two things he cares about in his World he cares about Johnny Lawrence like a father and the only thing primary the only thing that supersedes Johnny Lawrence is Cobra Kai. Look at that delivery. So is this like tough love? Basically, it's not like he's trying to give him a lesson and tough love and how to make it better. Yeah. Exactly. That's why I have that last line where I say I say to him you will thank me for this one. Thanks Johnny. Yeah, and that leads to so much, you know, it's so much to play. I think the great thing to play is is and I told us to Ralph last week and I said, you know, the great thing to play is now. The drama that he has to play because Kris is done when he's done, you know and Johnny it will be on the upswing again and the amount of drama that's going to go on for him to play contrary to season one is so rich for an actor, you know, this such conflict is such drama. It's not about a used car salesman anymore with a family and a pool and the kid it's all about some heavier stuff than that and that's I think the audience's love, you know, they just love this kids are so sophisticated these days. That's why it is a lot of Westerns not being made because you can't do black hats and white hats you've got to do, you know things like Django you've got to do things like Godless, you know, you've got to make it where the characters are gray, which is what you know, our writers have done. Everybody's gray. There's no I was the black cat. They were the white hats in the movies. I did three of them. I was the same color all the time. So now I'm Shades of Gray and yes, there will be vulnerability but there also will be Darkness because he's a conflicted character not talking about westerns and growing up in the guys that you watch growing up. You become a legendary character to a lot of actors at this generation. Who were the guys growing up for you that you like? That's who I want to be. I want to get into acting to be like that guy one of the first jobs I've ever I had was when I was a stand-in for Sean Connery on a movie called The Anderson tapes take it was 1971 and I remember being accepted to a to a classical Stage Company and and I was doing five years in college and this would have been even longer and I was accepted to NYU and classical Stage Company accepted me and I Remember Loving Sean Connery and learning that the best thing I've ever I think thing I came away with working with Sean Connery is I learned how to listen and so I went up to her and I said, you know, I've been accepted to NYU and for a fifth term and 50 year and I've been accepted to a classical Stage Company. What should I do? Because I was on the verge of stopping school and Going into acting full-time and he said to me young man. If you can do Antigone you could do anything meaning if I can do Classics you could do anything and he was right, you know, because the more you did I worked at Lincoln Center and you know and Café Le mama and all these, you know, unusual theater groups and it was a gas. It was a great Foundation, which was I what I always tell young actors that but Sean Connery can answer your question. Is always one of my favorite Jack Nicholson was always one of my favorites. I didn't cotton to John Wayne until I guess I started acting you know, but my favorite movies of his were I love the Alamo. I was born on the day the Alamo felt March 6th. Wow, five this metaphysical connection to Texas and I love Texas, you know, that is why I loved that movie very much and I would say also, you know Paul Newman. It's my favorite all-time. You know, Paul Newman is just brilliant. And yeah, I mean and and later on Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca is my favorite film Amazing. Yeah, and these films I wish you know, there's a lot of nationalism happened because the movie is released seven months after Pearl Harbor and everybody was together. It was all a bit is just lucky that way and you know, that's kind of what we need now. We need a good Western because I think it's the it's the it's it's the American heritage of Cinema is the Western and I just think we need a really good one to receive the Golden Boot award. Yes, the final one I think was 2007 in these, right? Yeah Viggo Mortensen and I we got it and he goes great great guy. I mean, you know, you look at Lord of the Rings and you look at some of those Heroes and you know, viggo's a slight fellow and he's just Loki and publishes his book publishing company and its hero from Lord of the Rings. So, you know, I well the Western Heroes. I love that Lord of the Rings hero, you know that he played guys right up there. Yeah right up there. He's incredible you had, you know talk about you know, you're obviously you love of movies and for Cobra Kai, I feel like there's two loves that you have you obviously love Cobra Kai and you love Johnny and I wonder in season 3, obviously with Johnny going In a different direction Cobra Kai being over here that you're almost going to have to choose. Which do you love more Johnny or Cobra Kai? Cobra Kai, he said it's the only thing that supersedes the love. So there's a name we mentioned a Leigh Mills Shore, but there's another name that comes up a lot people talk about a lot and that name is Terry silver. So my question to you is is there a shot that we're going to see Miyagi and Johnny versus something like that is the Terry's gonna come back as Terry really is the evil guy. Right? I mean he was he was the most evil of all evils. Well, remember that that was precipitated that role originally there was no Terry silver and Karate Kid 3 it was written for me to do all of that and I got a TV series called hard time on planet Earth Disney so I couldn't do that. So they had to put me on vacation in Tahiti and bring on a character and and came and wrote Mark came and wrote Robert came and wrote Terry silver to do what I had to do. So. I don't know, you know what their plans are because that would have been something that John Kris would have definitely reveled in training Mike Barnes and and and Daniel Larusso, you know, so I don't know if there's really a need. I really I really don't know they've got so many teenagers in this show. They have so many clinical Side Stories to write for I don't know for bringing in, you know, God knows I don't even have to bring you in a lie because You know, they don't they talk about it, right but there was nothing real specific. They're very, you know, very protective of everything because I believe that they write they write so that only they are privileged to the material so they don't have to deal with other people's opinions. And then finally when it's put the script, it's so good that you can't debate and say well why don't we do something else because they make the right decision at these guys. Just make the right decisions when they pitched it to you. You know, you said two years ago in September how many seasons are how how long did they pitch you of how long it would go? They just said, you know, I'd be a regular in season 2 and season 3 so that was it, you know, and I said fine, you know, I but I believe them, you know, because God knows that it's changed. For me I used to take movies and I made a lot of mistakes. I would take movies where I really like the part and and then the the script was just fair, but I thought my performance would enhance the picture. I was arrogant enough to think that and nine out of 10 times. It never happened never happens. If it's not on the page, you don't have that written word on the page doesn't matter how good your performances are know it everybody forgets about you going to five lines. Raiders of the Lost Ark and everybody will know everything about your resume. You can have the lead God knows how many times I've done this the lead in something and nobody goes to see the movie because it's not good. So I don't you know, I don't have an answer for that. But I know it'll be appropriate. I know who ring true for the actor because we've never had to play a false moment ever. Everybody is right there. It's easy to say it's like working Newsroom with Sorkin, you know those cats were so good in that Newsroom because they were the writing was brilliant just brilliant and you know, we're blessed with the same things. I believe the greatest moment in history of Television is the opening scene from the pilot of that show the Jeff. I think it's the single greatest speech to why America is not critical attention. I probably watched it a hundred times. He's under I'm going to see I'm getting an award at the Hoboken Film Festival. On the 17th this month and I'm going to New York and it sort of came out of a Salesman you can see you know, I'm gonna go see To Kill a Mockingbird. Oh, that's what I meant to say. Sorry. Yeah. Alright hit I saw this Versailles, but the movie I just finished VFW was with Stephen Lang. Ya Stephen Lang played happy in the Dustin Hoffman version with John Malkovich on Broadway, you know back it's like 86 and I saw and but now it's to kill Mocking Burgers. I love Jeff Dad when I was Voting I've over the for the Emmys. Well, I got the disc of the four or five people to vote for the male the best actor and a series and and his was the monologue was the first on the disc and I just looked at it and I said she's so brilliant and I said, you know, it's my responsibility to look at the rest of the the other it was Cranston. It was a couple of other I said I'm going to look and I remember saying this is have a big screen I said do I really want to look because it's really I know who I'm voting for. But then I was responsible enough to look at everybody the disc ended and I proceeded to vote for him because it probably is that in his speech in the Civil War peace is a garden general manager. No, it was the Gettysburg the first one. When he addresses his he's amazing some believe the guy is just and in Godless. Yeah, the only the only thing Western hostels was brilliant and got a bad deal distribution was but hostels performance by Christian Bale was as good as Godless with Jeff Daniels and those two performances are just burn time. I got you off. Yeah. Just had a question. So I'll I looked up the term badass and Webster's Dictionary and it read in Karate Kid Part 3 the effects team ill-timed one of the car window shattering shots causing Martin Cove to inadvertently break the prop window with his own fist. He sustained several injuries to his hand but continued filming. Wow. Yes Webster's Dictionary. No really. Is it no question to you smile. Look at my question to you is how how has the discipline of karate informed your work as an actor? It's very subtle. It's very subtle when I don't do it. I really feel it's like when you work out and you working out for two three months and all of a sudden you have to travel and you can't work out. You can feel it. You feel it in your body. Well, I feel it in the body and and in the soul and the mind that discipline that meditative functioning would just working out. I don't do it enough as I did in earlier, you know because I got shoulder Replacements knee replacement. You know, I've been all over the place with rock and roll and stunts doing splits on the dance floor and all this but but you know, you really miss it and it's very very personal so you can see you can only go so far without working out and you can go probably a little a little further with not going to the dough. Go but you feel like you feel like you're fasting you feel light-headed and you feel in control of every movement you make in your body when you're studying and you're in the dojo three days a week and you're working out say two days a week with a trainer physically. I mean that is the ideal thing. It's very tough to do very tough to do because you need to work with somebody. You need to have your Sensei with you to make sure you're you're doing it correctly. You're functioning correctly spinning Crescent kicks front kicks. You really need someone there and most of the time you try to you know, I think engineer that but you can feel it in your body and you certainly feel the pressure for the rest of the world when you're not in tune with working out and going to the dojo and the discipline of karate. It's pure it's a pure thing. It's almost inexplicable. I understand you studied, Okinawa teh under Gordon and a Versace. That's what's listed on Wikipedia that we found it. So are you still doing that? Did you did you bring that back? Heavily when you find out that you're coming back for the show? What was that? Like no Okinawa today was I did a movie called steel Justice. Okay, and still Justice was a film where the stunt coordinator was familiar with Okinawa Tay and he came to the house and we worked out, you know, three four days a week and that was just his style and I like the style because most of the time I was using Wagga Sasha. She's the short sword and he was teaching me a lot of that, you know as an actor you try to delicious intimately get a black belt, but many times you're doing you're always doing black belt caught us and moves and and and stunts and yet you haven't really you haven't actually gone into a place where you've been a consistent black belt. So sure I have a you know a diploma and I have a black belt on Okinawa taken a black belt in Tae kuk Bone, but honestly, I would like to start over again just like I would like to start over again learning acting and just go off in a cabin somewhere by a lake for a year and sit there with a guru and work on just work there with you know, Stella Adler if she was still around her, you know and just work on Parts just like I'd like to go off with my own she on tuck Kubota who I worked with in Glendale first. One and and work on because I like sword work. I like Kendo more than I like. Karate. I like, you know Weaponry. It's more romantic. I find you know open hand is terrific but I prefer, you know, sort of work might we see some of the sword work you speak of and season 3, maybe you could you know, I brought that up so you could but it was you know, there was so much going on in season two that all of a sudden the violence that I mean it just cute. Imagine John Kriss teaching his kids a sword working and went to use that and in your life when you go to school. Can you imagine? Yeah bringing anything he could at this point just so like turn heads. Well, you know, he is trying to better their lives. I just don't know. I just thought of walking into a math class with a cotton. Ah, you know in your belt is really, you know, I maybe could have done it to share them A food me days of Seven Samurai, you know, but Yeah, anything is possible that answer your question. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how would curb it into not bringing into class, you know, but we'll see, you know with your character. It seems maybe at some point based on the good versus evil that good will probably win and your character might be defeated or might go out. How do you want your character to go out in Cobra Kai at the end? Well, I've not really thought about the end. LA but I haven't thought about the end and this character just really begun, you know the so I haven't really considered what what would be at the end because as far as we know he could make which would be really attractive for me to make transitions into a greater realm of decency, you know, but always have this Edge, you know, how many times have we seen the bad guys turned good in movies and they always die. You know the bad guys turning good always dying moved. And so that's something for like down the line, you know, and they would plan something you did this movie VFW and everybody dies William Sadler dies David Patrick Kelly dies. Everybody dies, except Stephen Lang. I mean Fred Williamson dies everybody dies and it's the story of a the siege of a bar VFW and we all hang out there and then the bad guys. And we protect a girl in the whole movie in Dallas was about this VFW that's called VFW and we all die defending the honor of a girl. We don't even know. You know, I don't know if John Kris would do that. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't know, you know, I did this picture with Quentin the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah, and you know those characters they are from you know, you've seen the Also, they're from a period of time in the 60s were westerns were really popular and there were 35 Westerns on prime-time television in the 60s. And you know, I think back in that era people would sacrifice themselves the patriotism there I would for my grandchild and my kids definitely put my life on the line, but there's a certain, you know, things have changed now with patriotism things have changed now with people putting their lives on. The line for loved ones and all I think John Kris would probably John crease because of his attraction to COBRA. Kai would put his life on the line to maintain that after his death the Integrity of Cobra Kai sustains itself Cobra Kai Never Dies. I think it's interesting. You mentioned that about those classic characters, you know, given a life or there's that famous Eastwood movie from 93 in the lineup. Fire, right and he's got there's the scene where Malkovich is holding them up and he can he can literally shoot Malkovich and fall off the roof too because the guys can try to kill the president but he doesn't write and so that it's like it changes up the classic idea in these westerns this black and white at a you mentioned. It is more gray, right? Yeah preserve your own life. I think that's a lot of what the development of this series and your character is about you mentioned decency. I think we will have to see that decency. I don't think the audience wants the cartoon character. I think they want the decency. They want something more complex. They want the full. Work that you're getting you're beginning to show us. I'm in full agreement. I think you know you go back and forth It's really interesting when you go back and forth goodness and and and evil and you know you go and just that that's where I mean. I think you know, Indiana Jones as much of a hero as he is he still the original one was really Dirty Harry, you know friend of mine John Milius wrote this piece about a Prejudice nasty cup that that's what you know, that's what turned. Turned Clint, you know on was the fact that this was a real man. This guy was Prejudice. He didn't like the guys who you know, do you feel lucky punk? When is the last time we saw a cop stand there and do that in the movies? They're always been the Savior, you know, the white hat and then that was 1972. So that that began an era or there was the beginning of an era of of reality and greeness, you know up until then through the 60s all Western Heroes and all the shows they were all white hats. You know, they were over long Rangers say we kind of touched upon some of the other projects that you have been working on currently or even in the past. I was just curious, you know, because you've done such a wide variety of stuff. What type of criteria do you look into when you think I got to play this character? Okay that you know, I thought about a lot about that one and I was down to the wire on cable and for the hit for the Ryan Reynolds picture Deadpool Deadpool 2 and I just thought that would be a lot of fun to play this kind of carried. I've never done a movie like that before but you know because I never really got the script I couldn't lock into that because they just gave you the sides at that point. I really enjoy going. I like the leading men have done several of those. They haven't been successful and yet I enjoy comedy great deal and you'd never really know that by the roles, but if you can play someone I think who's comedic who's fun? Because that's why I got into this whole game was in the fourth grade. I did a play in school back in Brooklyn and I made people laugh and it felt good and it felt good over and over and over again yet, you know because I don't look like, you know, Belushi it's kind of it's tough to make people laugh now and I'd like to I like to do a western where I could make people laugh when you think about Blazing Saddles. Okay. Think about placing it's just terrible. It's couldn't get done to it. Yeah, they'd be so much fun. They would plant a bomb in the preview, you know, so the answer your question. I really enjoy serious vulnerability and yet I enjoy humor so I look for that in the script. I mean You know, I actually love playing really emotional characters. I really do and that's what happens in episode 4 when you know, he comes to my little hobble where I live, you know that to me is one of my favorites and when I go and bring him back his trophy. Yeah, those were my favorite scenes because they were just so soft and gentle and caring I think those are also the scenes were like, maybe someone at home who was not rooting for John kreese. I'm at my was Man, yeah, I got to give him some credit there. Thank you. I hope so. So I hope so you mentioned working with Quentin Tarantino. Obviously John Jay Adelson and John Milius you mentioned. Can you tell me a little bit about your some of your favorite experiences, or maybe there's one that comes to mind working with it a brilliant director. Well, John Milius was absolutely he's terrific. I mean, here's a man who wrote Apocalypse Now he you know, he threw all kinds of lines into Two Raiders and Jaws, you know, he and Spielberg they all would and Lucas went to school together. But John, you know, John Milius is like what John Ford was in his day. He just and now he's not well now hopefully he'll get better but the bottom line was he was a romantic. I just feel we don't have enough Romantics because all these movies being made are all Marvel comic books. They're not romantic story. They're hardcore stories about Good and Evil and and I find John Milius to be a romantic and I was married to a set to the soundtrack of the wind and the Lion a movie he made with Candice Bergen and Sean Connery and it was fantastic. It was little 5 million dollar movie made by MGM in Morocco, you know, so I find that working with people who have the same feelings as I do these three Riders I work with now we're on the same page. Age because you know, they have very little patience for nonsense. They have very little patience for notes, you know, they are very little patience for anything except because they are so smart their perception. They are very little if someone's not on the same page with them. It's okay, you know, they listen to their ideas and then they move on so for me, I think I think a romantic director John was was excellent John and it was great Visionary, you know know exactly what he Want it? I don't remember getting a lot of direction from Johnny. We just tell me never smile. You know, he said I'm one of my Tico the twinkle. He says just death. That's what he wanted and he would reiterate that for me. And you know, there's a Larry Kasdan was a guess and Wyatt Earp. I remember doing wired up with him and I would walk into this Saloon looking for Kevin Costner and I have a smile and I was a cool Hollywood gun fight with the guns. Laying down and come up to me and he says you've done Cagney and Lacey. He said when a bad guy perp comes into a grocery or 7-Eleven and he holds a gun to people is he smiling and I said, no, he's very serious. He said you come in here and look for Kevin very serious and we did it and it was brilliant. It was just you know, he knew what he wanted and he was a big kid and Kevin's a big kid. So it's like, you know, I was in heaven, too. Make it a western with all these people so they are Romantics it just you know, I just enjoy people that have a great knowledge of Cinema and you can compare what your movie Quentin is unbelievable. And I'm I do the scene with wit and I put my feet up on a post like that and and it's a scene from from Henry Fonda in My Darling Clementine where he's playing Wyatt Earp and he puts his feet up on a post. I forgot what he's waiting for and I said I said do you want me to do this little thing against the pulse of my feet you just you know that movie and I said, of course I know them. So do you think you're the only one who knows westerns and you know, he said no, we can't we can't do that because we got to shoot between but he is a guy who knows everything about Cinema across the board and he's a pleasure to work with so it was the kind of people that you'd like to work with only to be perfectly honest. Yeah. Were you on set working with Leo or bat? That's it. Yeah. Any slippers Leo. Yeah. Well, it was a western scene. So, you know, the capital is coming in with all these dead people on on his stomach his saddle and you know, it was it was that was the same guy can't because I can tell you a lot about that movie. You'll have spoilers killing a good conversation, but you know, he was fantastic and he does scenes that are paying homage to all the great Classics, you know, and some now a lot of a lot of directors do that but a lot seem to think that you know that they've got to be a little colder and crueler in the sense for their own using their own ideas. So many people don't seem to acknowledge the Brilliance of the of the George Stevens of you know, the John Huston all those earlier people who would just absolutely Sensational in our business, you know, well Marty, thank you so much for coming this wasn't on. The legal interview so many good stories. I want to talk for another hour to ask you but thank you so much for coming and where will you know be looking out for you? And then in the new film and VFW and Once Upon a Time and of course season 3 of Cobra Kai, I work in the folks find you on social media if they want to follow along with what you're doing. It's it would be Mariko. Well, no, it's actually yeah Marty Cove online.com. Okay, great, you know and yeah, they can play and send stuff. It's a gas always to read people's. I mean, that's where I got that. You know that At that tweet great. I mean I photographed it my phone and it had a picture of the Ice King at at Santos and me and I said, oh and April the world is now so I said wow, and I just thought I said that everybody either because I don't think of John creases being just the you know Lucifer. I don't think it but the amount of people that do it's fascinating. But they love to hate the guy. Yes, last but not least Michael working. The folks find you can find me online on Twitter and Instagram at the only MC. Thank you so much chemical fan pleasure. You can find me on Twitter at Tammy gouveia and instead Tammy gouveia official Veronica Valencia. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at its me Veronica underscore V, and you guys can find me at Ben David media on Twitter and Instagram. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And thanks one more round of applause for Mardi Gras. Thank you. Thank you. Our founder Keven undergaro and me more. Whoa. Thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. 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COBRA KAI NEVER DIES! Hosts Ben Bateman, Veronica Valencia, Tami Goveia, and Michael Clouse sit down with the Sensei himself, Martin Kove, to discuss all things Cobra Kai and Kreese. We discuss the possibility of Ali and Terry Silver returning next season, exploring the many layers of Kreese and Martin wanting more decency in Kreese’s character, working with Pat Morita, how karate has disciplined him, and his upcoming projects: V.F.W. and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. About the After Show: Loved THE KARATE KID film? Then you surely must be watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Premium. It’s a series set thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament where a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo. On this COBRA KAI AFTER SHOW, our hosts review, recap and analyze the latest episodes and bring you inside scoops from cast and crew. ABOUT COBRA KAI: Thirty four years after events of the 1984 All Valley Karate Tournament, a down-and-out Johnny Lawrence seeks redemption by reopening the infamous Cobra Kai dojo, reigniting his rivalry with a now successful Daniel LaRusso.

Welcome to episode 3 of The Pride lands podcast. Today's guest is secondary principal Felicia Gibson and secondary guidance counselor. Jean Harris on today's episode. We will celebrate the life of one of our own private numbers coach Tyson language. We will go over how to feel and how to cope who can help and then everything else from Kennedy is D from elementary to high school and everything in between. We are lions leopards and cubs here us roll on January 26 2020 coach Tyson Lambic passed away in his sleep. It was 36 years old who graduated college from tlu with a bachelor of art career in 2007. He started his teaching career. 2017 at Kennedy is D. He had been a teacher and a coach at Kennedy iced tea for three years. And in those three years touched many students and staff members lives. He will be remembered as a quiet leader with an interesting personality with the passion for movies music history and books coach Tyson lamb back born November 15th, 1983 died, January 26 2012. If everything coaching, I'm back next. I'd like to introduce secondary principal Felicia Gibson. Hello there secondary. Counselor Janine Harris. Good morning. Everyone. Are you guys today? Great. Awesome. I know it's been a tough week. Kennedy is D. This is your first year as a principal. But I mean, we're all going through this together and that's the key word is together students staff and Community as well as his family any words you'd like to say on Coach lamb back before we get started. Well, he was a great teacher like this is my first year meeting him and he is very quiet. He was a very quiet soul, but the kids loved him and I know that they truly Are going to miss him. I know I've worked with him for three years and one of the things I noticed about him just visiting he has a real quick. It has a real quirky sense of humor come to dry. And then I'd look at him and then he kind of he'd be straight-faced and then he just kind of break a little smile like a little smirk on his face. And that's one of the things talking to the kids this week that cut that they said when he was their coach coaching with them there would always be a very quiet way he would just with them but he'd always get him to laugh. Laughs and so that was one of the many things the kids loved about him was his humor and they always were able to talk with him and share with them especially like when they were on the road trips and stuff like that. Yeah. So yeah, I got a lot from community members. I knew he was a quiet guy as I yeah, he was but once you got them talking and you got him in his comfort zone and he is humor was it was very Unique it was a very funny guy. Like one of the the things that I guess wanted the first reasons we even started like talking and hanging out. This is way before I started doing what I do with the coaches and athletic department, but they were here one Saturday morning, and he I guess they were watching film after a game. This was in 2017 and I started talking to one of my other coach buddies about a movie that I had seen the Friday before and he chimed in Come on, sincerely like his ear went up. He turned around and he's like you saw that movie. I was like, yeah sure did and he asked me what I thought about it and I started like going into the detail about him. Like he was picking up everything I was saying about like the intricacies of the director and then he started talking to me about the director himself and I kind of got confused for a second. I was like, I didn't know about this like let me I'm the only nerd here. What are you doing? And then he told me that he got a his major was film and And he yeah, so cool from that point on like every time I saw I still didn't talk to him that much after that but every few weeks or months when I did see him I did you see that movie. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna watch it this weekend and it was it was interesting because as we started talking more he would basically break down every single movie way more than I could ever like. He just he was a film buff and like that that we talked about movies and music and TV he hated reality TV, but the TV shows that he did watch like he broke him down. So he was a it was very interesting to talk to especially on that matter because you know, there's not many people who really break down movies like that and just so yeah that that was and then this year when we started coaching together, or I was with the coaches, you know, it's just we afford it down very much and we bonded a lot him in the coaches and he appreciated. Single one of them and every single one of the staff members and especially Coach Alvarez. So it was it was very hard. It was hard to we got as it sounds I one of the things I've noticed that a lot of our young coaches. They resemble each other a lot of them look like bladders and even this week some of the kids would turn around and they said they would say I thought that that was mr. Lamb back, you know, because the young men all they had the reddish color hair and yeah, they look like brothers and they treat each other like brothers the guys did on the on the coaching team. I made a joke with Coach Alvarez when they introduced the coaches over the summer. I was like, did he put out an ad in the paper? 5/8 white male middle-aged reddish beard and my because yeah, they did all the clangor that's pretty funny. So yes, Sunday Sunday was a hard day for many reasons me and my son were watching the Pro Bowl and we got them the news that Kobe Bryant passed away. I instantly thought it was ridiculous fake news and somebody was just leaking some inaccurate sources and then sure enough throughout the day that we started seeing more and mr. Brewer ask me like, you know, why why it impacted so many people and you know part of the reason why in the the intro song that I played was in dedication to him and Coach lamb back is is that these people like like Kobe Kobe was on a global scale Global icon. He was a hero. Off to a lot of people, you know, he had a he had some issues in his young career but he over groom and turned into a pretty good human being and he I hated I hated Kobe Bryant so much and then when he retired I realized like I really didn't hate him as much as I thought I respected him. He retired and I saw my childhood just going away because you know, I watched him almost every single day. For almost 20 years and it was it was very shocking to hear but the most shocking part about that part was, you know fact that his his daughter died with him. And as a father that was just horrible and I know coach land back had a son trajan who goes to school here also, and it's just it's hard it that that was the hardest part about it is I will mean my wife were really just overwhelmed with the Kobe thing and his ER and and then I get the text that night about Coach lamb back and it it really I've never felt so I don't even know the words to describe it but it was almost unreal. Like I just talked to land back Thursday and my wife had just talked to him back Friday afternoon and my husband had just got a text from him about practice for Monday. Yeah. It's like 1:30, and he was fine and It was like 10 o'clock when I got the call from dr. Barrera and like what? Yeah, it was just it was a shock actually didn't even read the text because I was like watching the news about Kobe and I was like in tears and my wife was in tears and I saw that coats of them back wasn't the first couple lines of my texts and I was like, well, maybe he called in a resigned or something. I don't know. It had to be an important if Miss Brewer was texting at 10:30 at night, but but I didn't know the severity of it until like after it was done watching the Covey stuff and I looked at it. I was like Wow and then instantly my wife started crying and I couldn't hold it in either in my son heard my wife crying and she he walks in the room because he thought there was something going on. Well, yeah there was and we had to like tell them right there on the spot and he he took it pretty hard so that you know that leads me to the reason why we're having this podcast like how worry kids I mean you guys are in the front line, right? How are they reacting right now? And how should they react I mean right and wrong with that and it can I just take a minute just to look like a crisis intervention and how that goes on. I just think it's really important because I think a lot of times when when things happen in school Community doesn't know how to how to staff members set things in place to help kids and I'm in the same place you were at 10:30 at night. Mrs. Gibson's calling me because being the counselor being on that crisis team she want to know what you know, what do we do? What is our input? Put the sad thing is is and I say in retrospect sad thing is I know what to do because we've had other crisis that we've had to put in place and so, you know, the first thing is making sure that we bring in a team of counselors and we've been blessed with the Camino Real and so mrs. Gibson and I and mr. Rosetta, you know, we all you everybody was was making plans for the next morning so that we could be ready for the students when they came in. Knowing that most of them had already heard being ready to set up the library having that set up with you know, things like crayons and books and and and people and food and snacks and Kleenex people don't think about that. You know, those are all important things to have in place. You don't look like you're you're just grabbing things at the last minute. So calling the the front office staff and having them all, you know, get ready and then getting Miss Gibson in this Barrera to get Camino Real there and getting their team they There ASAP. I mean Doris over there the director of counseling and Brandon and Susan McCarty and Marty saw the ladies have backed us up so many times and there are Community Support which gives me time as a counselor to go into classrooms. If I'm in the library during the day working with the kids there than its doesn't allow somebody to be in there with the teachers and the students as they need them. So we had all that in place and of course having a script, you know, you kids at this six. 12th grade you don't know who's been impacted by death. I mean you don't and you don't know if they've ever had somebody in their family or close to them. I mean, they've been impacted by TV and all that but personal so having that Auditorium ready and everybody in their first thing it kind of brought us all together to where everybody's here in the same thing. Yeah, you know and letting them know. Hey, we have a place for you to be safe at your everybody going to feel feelings. You know, you got to take care of you if you have to get a drink water. If you got to get something to eat, those are really super important things that we forget even as adults when we're grieving. And so I think just knowing that the kids knew they had a place to go. They also knew that they could be with their peers and for kids that are teenagers what I saw the most like when I walked in and out of the classrooms, the older kids didn't want to leave the classroom. They wanted to be with their teacher. They wanted to be with their peers and grieve together and cry and hug and you know be responsive to each other and then the youngsters I really didn't understand a lot of the process wanted to go into the library with their whole group of friends and have adults to hug on and to love on him there. So but Monday was it was really I mean it was really hard but it was also it was it was showing I think the connectivity of everybody here in the community. I think they saw that I mean, we got a lot of calls from parents. Yeah asking about their child, you know, so you know that whole process. Cess of having kids feel safe. Yeah, you know, so you have a seventh grader in Kennedy is D. Both of our boys played for Coach lamb back there game was last Thursday a matter of fact, it was I know how it was for my son and you have to get too detailed into it. But you know, what was it like in the Gibson household? You know what I remember because Ethan was She still up and my husband had told him the news we got and and you could see like some Tears like he wanted to show some emotion and definitely the day we met Monday in the auditorium. I mean, he broke down I'm here, you know, you never really talked a lot about Coach lamb back. But you know after that happened it was he was you know, that's when he shared all his feelings and thoughts and I remember when you know, You know on certain games and stuff. So it's hard to see him like that. You know, I hate seeing him crying hurt. But you know, he needed to get it out. Yeah, this was I mean this this isn't a lesson for everybody not just the students but I mean they were introduced to something that is very hard in that, you know that is life, you know and death in that a lot of us. It's human nature that we take people for granted. And I wish you know me as a leader like a kind of reflect on this and it makes me as a leader want to get to know my teachers my staff my students even more because I felt like the things I hear from other teachers the memories they have with him. I didn't get to experience that. Yeah, and I kind of wish I would have got to know him more than what I did. So I think for me just you know that something I want to make sure I do this year and even in the futures Where I really get to know my people. Yeah. So this this has to be hard on many levels me for me just and just assuming because he was your son's basketball coach and teacher. He was your husband's colleague and he was your employee. So as a first year principal, I mean that's got to be that's got to be tough because I've never experienced. I mean, I experienced, you know, my first death when my father died a little over a year ago. And I mean that was bad but then to have it like on campus. Yeah, you know in my 13 years of education. I've never been at a school where a staff member passed away. Well and you're the you're the one that everyone's going to France or so. It was it was very helpful when like I called Miss Harris and was like, okay, what what do we do when you know, what's the next steps because I've never you know had to experience anything like that. And thankfully she knew exactly what to do. Mr. Words Echo. to some trainings that we had so they all came together and put this great plan together and it's just yeah helped out a lot. That's a that's a funny statement. Like what do we do like their scripts in place? They you know, this is how we handle the crisis situation. But even at the like those scripts don't help all the way. Like, how do we feel like how how our students supposed to fill and that's what they've been coming in. They mean kids kids were coming in because they didn't want to be in coach lamb books and then other kids were coming in. They wanted to be in Lambic coach lambics room the whole day because I want to be close to him. And one of the things is I mean I've had to deal with grief as not only counselor but a personal level to you know, I've lost my mother and father-in-law and my dad for years ago. So yeah loss and that's part of one of the things I always ask the kiddos when they come in and my first question is have you ever lost anybody before that? You know because that right there in itself oftentimes brings back memories for them of how they dealt with it, you know if they were little or how old they are, but I'm not I let him know it we're all grieving and it's not something that just goes away. It's a process and there's a new normal because the new normal is we don't have Coach lamb back here anymore. And we will never have Coach Lambic. So bring you know, they talk about their memories and I said, when's your last memory of Coach lamb back, you know, when's the last time you spoke with him? What's the last time you saw him? One of the tools Gunner was that a lot of kids wanted to write letters and that is so therapeutic and I mean they would write how they felt and I You know, one of the things we can do is we can look through these and put them in a folder and send them later on to the mall it to his wife, you know, and to the little boy that they can see how much love they had. You know, Lambic had for them and how much they loved him. But I'm grief is a new normal. There's no absolutes kids somewhere feeling like they were hit in the chest. They had a hard time breathing anxiety. Some didn't want to eat some wanted to just eat all day. I mean everybody's process is different and and it's going to be concerned. It's going to be constant. It's going to be something that is going to be now. It's going to be next week. It's going to be in three months. And so one of the things that I want to do is like a kind of a touch base where I continue to just kind of touch base with in classrooms. And you know, how you doing. Do y'all need some supports some may take it really hard to where they need additional counseling. Yeah, you know, but like you said death is inevitable and and I always like if I get the Ones coming in that have not really ever even acknowledged it. They need Mom and Dad involved. They need parent, you know to help and support them. Lots of crying. Let's Kleenex and I don't the boys were and I go to the boys because some of the boys that are athletes the older athletes really had a hard time knowing how to express themselves because they're there they're there on the football team, you know, their their buddies, right? And so some of my leaders were crying. And I shared that at how important that was for them to support their other peers with tears if that was me and lie, and that was deep. That was what they are body needed and it is okay to cry we have to cry, you know, when we're feeling sad we don't hold it in because it becomes e Ray. You're angry. Yeah, you know, I don't think it I mean as a former teenage boy, I don't think that it's so much that there. They're trying to hold it in. I just think that I mean chemically we're different exactly and we I honestly I remember I had a few death and in my life when I was in Middle School in high school and one of them was a student and relative of mine and I could took me a long time to cry right and I think it's just you know, how were set up in it's okay. Like I know my son. He had had his moments and but for the most part he was pretty I mean, I just eventually I think that the boys become men in that whole Primal Instinct where you know, they are the leaders of their pack or whatever. It may be starts to kick in and so it's confusing like they really don't know like it's not that they're trying to hold back tears. It's just their bodies just not producing them yet. And I think a lot of the kids who maybe haven't felt the reality this yet. Sell it Saturday when they do go to the yes the funeral and and I love that that you know, because Yard-Man I'm not so but truly that I'm not going to name. My can't I can't say that but one of the young men he had I had to give him permission. He knew he needed me to say it's okay honey for you to cry and it's like oh, you know, it's like he like you said, you know, we're not sure he had to have that permission and one of the things he also didn't recognize and I'm sharing about the mail because I said, how about writing a letter? And he was like I can do that. I'm like, oh gosh. Yes, please do that, right everything you're feeling down into that letter and get some of those feelings out and in like I said, like I said, I'm no psychologist. You can record that like I really do believe this is from personal experience. Also, as I don't think that that it, you know, when these boys are even young girls shed tears and cry don't think it's just that incident. I don't think it's just Coach lamb back, you know, I think that at that point it's like a damn something cracks the dam and then that everything like everything from their personal life just comes all out at once and it's good. I mean, it's good for them to get it all out. But I mean, how how have you been dealing with with students Miss Gibson? Well, I mean really the kids have responded pretty well with with this news. Yes of what happened, you know, there are still some that That take it pretty hard and you know, it's just talking to them and letting them know. Hey, we're here for you. You know, you need to come talk to someone during class let your teacher know and I'll talk to you Miss Harris will talk to you. So beat in the hallways being present, you know hugging on kids. I love hugging on kids. I'm always doing that and just even now like today I went into some classes and just checking on kids, you know, how you doing kids being kind to each other? It's amazing. That's one of the things I'd said we talked about it. Monday morning and being kind each other just giving each other, you know, those positives how easy it is to you know, wrassle and harass and I'm amazed. I mean they really are I mean kids just have been so kind and so loving to each other which yeah, it's sometimes a crisis does that you know makes us realize you know, what we really are important each other, you know? Yeah, and I think that that mean there was going to be a different mindset. Regardless Monday because of the death of Kobe Bryant now may not have affected any kids like from seventh grade down as much as it did high school students in adults my age. It's just the the crisis the mindset was going to be different regardless Monday morning because Global icon passed away in the younger kids at 6th and 7th grade and L even elementary kids were. To know what they were going to see like I remember Mina I checked it one of the coaches like at five o'clock in the afternoon and I was like dude. I've never bald at a celebrity death ever my whole entire life until today in this gentleman was like, yeah, me too. I am losing right now because that I knew that was his is Idle. Yeah, he growing up. He said like he adored Kobe Bryant and I just it was it was it was going to affect household no matter what my daughter saw her dad shedding tears over this man on TV and like it was it was confusing for her confusing for me, but like regardless it was still we were going to have some students affected by the death of Kobe Bryant and then we had one of our own Pride members pass away that night. So it was it was a real Series of Unfortunate Events, and it was just a double whammy and it opened up. A lot of a lot of emotions feelings and and I like that because some of the kids even came in they started talking about like when I had a dog issue they lost their dog over the weekend. So I mean, you know, I mean, you're right. It's like Stacks that yeah and the and how do you deal with that? And I course they were I think they were surprised when I said, yeah, that's that's a big loss that I mean, that's like your your child. Yeah. I saw that yeah and again and I think being sensitive and I mean like even the coaches I mean, I went up to the coaches, you know, they take care of kids all day long and and they know how to eat and You know keep themselves nourished and hydrated all that and I went up to him and said guys, you know girls guys. I call it you dumb Yankees. Sorry, but I think it's a nice but you know, you guys need to drink some water. You need to take a break. If you need me. You know me or Gibson or words that you're somebody come in and give you a break out of your class. Then you need us to do that. And you know, their response was I just want to be with kids today and I mean that just went right to the heart because that's what they do, you know, and so yeah, I haven't dealt because I've had been you know Sometimes we have to be in that go mode, you know taking care of kids this week. And I know that Saturday get prepared for that because a lot of people going to be there. Yeah yesterday. Miss dr. Brewer has been in touch with Tyson's mother and I think it was Monday or Tuesday. I don't remember she went up there and talked to them and she basically was saying like Tyson has never been happier in his life. Then he has, you know coming being able to work at the school with kids and work at the school his kid. Stu it's great. And so he really considered Kennedy iced tea as part of his family. And I'm sure that your husband coach Gibson has mentioned that before and even even in that. This is human nature. He would even text the coaches, you know, how much he cared about us and how much he appreciated everything like this year. Especially he was like, it's There's just a different energy in the room. He enjoyed coming to work. He enjoyed just a lot of of especially like the coaching the coaching staff and we I personally took that for granted because if human nature and you know, we got a million other things going on and I think coach lamb back was just one of those guys that it would 0 to 60 really quick as far as emotions go and I know when I read these texts now is like, yeah he Is feeling in that moment and you know, a lot of us have been too busy with their lives and what we would reply like a menu. No problem, you know, we appreciate you but we just now in hindsight. It's like we look back at those and I'm like, wow, you know, he really really enjoyed working here. He considered Kennedy is D part of his family and his mom has mentioned that and I do believe the he the family will be buried. in him and I Canna t-shirt and which which is yeah, it's that's hard and very deep he He will be missed by many many people very loving me over Jerry kind who I mean we talked about how students feel and how they're reacting besides. You know, I know we had Camino Real here on Tuesday or Monday who else can they seek if they need help or assistance or any other ways that they can cope for the remainder of the school year. There I mean ongoing like I said ongoing counseling therapy type thing would be through committee realm is also Floresville. There's a bereavement Center. Okay in Florence felt that came about during the Sutherland Springs deaths through the church steps that came about through Floresville. They have a San Antonio variants but through and I apologize I Paloma I guess it's called a Paloma. Yeah Paloma place in Floresville course, I can always come, you know come to my office. That's definitely and of course over at the elementary is Priscilla Torres, but counseling wise our main our main facility is the Camino Real my time. Okay. Yeah, we're scarce in this area for resources, which is sad and connections is another thing is just very I know that's it's a nation. Yeah now we're yeah it is. Yeah, it's definitely but I'm just saying the smaller Area Community to see Antonio has a lot but to be right here local connections is also a facility coming out of car and city that also has support for students as well. Awesome. There's Gibson before we move on is like you being the leader. Is there anything else you like that you want to tell the kids and the parents that they may not know as far as what they can do or how they should feel you or just any words in regards to this. No, I tragedy I mean I just There's always going to be sadness there for a while, especially those that were that were close to him. And it's normal. It's normal for kids. Just even at home, you know, they may be watching something on TV and something triggers a thought or memory. And yeah, they may start crying or asking questions and it's normal. It's okay. Yep. So coach Tyson lamb back. His funeral services will be this Saturday the viewing. I believe it's going to be from 1 to 3 at the finch Funeral Chapel and Stockdale, Texas and then the funeral think it starts at 3 p.m. Kennedy is D athletic boys. I'm not sure if that little girls also, but he opened it to them as well. Okay, they will be taking a bus out there. So parents if you can't make it and your your kids are requesting to go they will be supervised by He is D staff want to say that it's dr. Were asked that we wear, you know, something maroon and tribute he was you know, he was like I said earlier a quiet leader and he impacted a lot of kids lives. So we expect to see the a lot of emotions and a lot of students out there celebrating his life. So like I said this Saturday 3 p.m. Finch Funeral Chapel and Stockdale, Texas And then also in lieu of flowers the family asked that if anybody wants to contribute like instead of buying flowers few through the funeral home, they ask that you donate to the Education Foundation and you can do that by going on Facebook and searching Kennedy ISD Education Foundation, and there's a link that they have on their first post that allows you to donate if you wish to honor coach lamb back and this was a request from his mother. And it's because of how much he considered Kennedy iced tea is his family. So that's great. And so moving forward. I think we're going to have a few tributes to him this week. And one of them is the blue ballon really balloon release. We're doing that today at 3:30 and we had some people help blow up some balloons and we're going to have pastor Matt Singleton come and do a prayer. But 330 we're going to have all the kids go out on the football field have a prayer and do a nice balloon release. Awesome in that Nina lead me to my next topic. You know, I hate you know, we have to we can only talk about Coach lamb back for so long, but we are celebrating something today the hundredth day of school. I think I have some And think those look up that's not it. I thought I had a special effect, but we'll get it next time jam on. Yeah. So today's a hundredth day of school. So what do you guys got going on in the hundredth day of school? Well, thanks to miss the ray. She actually she stopped me in the hall last week. It was like hey, can we do something for the hundred day of school? And I'm like sure so she put together a rotation for kids teachers all came together with some kids we have Like the junior class sponsor doing something freshman class and it's just different activities. We're starting at 1 o'clock until about 3:00 and kids are just going to have fun and you know be out the classroom and just relax a little I know Elementary's doing something else. I think they were allowed to wear under day apparel or something something fun. I have to get with Miss V a trick on that. But yeah that that says a lot, you know we There's a lot that goes art. Yeah people work hard and it does a hundred days a lot a hundred days in a school district is not the same as a hundred days out in the real world. There's a lot of personalities here. So I mean Round of Applause for everybody for a hundred days. See there's the sound effect. That's fun. Awesome. So what else do we got going on this week that you can think of on top of your head? I know you send out a very For you know, it's very nice to work with administrators that are tech savvy. I can't I really you know, that that is amazing and it's not a knock to to anybody's nice just it's so much easier to communicate with your staff and with the entire campus when you know, you know how to put a Google Calendar together and put a gender for the week together and do a bunch of stuff. So congratulations, but yes that thank you technology. Yeah. Thank you every week from Troy a lot. Treat me like a first grader and tell me this is a then go to be then go to see and I'll write it down and then I'll remember how to do it on the internet. We call that L I5 or something. I think it's explained it to me like I'm five. Yeah. Oh I look at you know, that's what I teach my kids. I love and like everything like you IL film the editing anything you do. Like if you're making a store you have to you have to explain it to people in the easiest terms. If not, you know your artistic. Visions just going to go over a lot of people. So yeah, we you've come a long way from it's not afraid of it. It's just that my brain doesn't think that way and I think a lot of people just assume they can't so they won't and they're really stubborn about not wanting to learn because oh it's something that I'm just not going to get. Yeah you were but yes, once again awesome. Thank you for your weekly agendas do it. Those do not go unnoticed you glad Coach Alvarez. Now principal via trick or sending US Weekly agenda record. I want to say I I got Alvarez doing that you would change things so often and I'm like so my agenda would be wrong because because there was a game that was you know changed maybe it was not at home. It's now a way and I said if you were to do a weekly agenda, yeah happened T and then and then that turns around and I can grab that information and then I shoot it out to the public. So and then people appreciate I get, you know, speak with Like when I came on for this job and the teachers communication was a big thing. Yeah for them. And so and it's a work in progress. But I mean it really is changing right before my eyes, you know as a tech and I we originally got hired Kennedy is d as a technician and my previous positions. I was at startup internet start-up. So the internet was the way of life like everything we do we're doing now and we were doing at the tech company, but it was like Meeting over there second nature in like when I got here I was like we had to go to like www.canadianoutback.com. And in it that I eat is d dot edu to log into our email and our email was just like this weird 1990s version of the attachment. So it was the weirdest thing I've ever seen and when I first got here I was like what I what year are we in my God? Coming from a tech startup to Kennedy is D at the time. It was kind of rough. Like I'm not gonna lie, like the tech was not not the tech. It was just our ability to use Tech wasn't there because our amazing Tech director like, you know, he knew about Google Apps he knew about everything that we weren't doing. He just also knew that it was going to you know, basically be an overhaul and we just needed to have people in place to help Implement that and slowly but surely we started A year later, we do Google Apps and a couple years later. We went to Chromebooks and it's just been a progress and kudos to our Tech director and kudos to the staff members who have embraced it. And and for you remember how you and I first started really working together. Remember just before testing I lost everything that I had in my word and he's like, why did you put it in Google? I was like because I have no idea what Google is and that's when Gunner there was a important detail you left out on that two days before that. I was training you and I showed You how to back everything up to Google Drive when you talk to a brain that's never even done even know what Google. Yeah. I sir. I assure had it back everything up the Google Drive a couple of days before and then yes you everything I am all know I have it. I know where it is to sell ya backing up is very important people everything every photo everything like there's plenty of services for that for that. Google photos is one of them on your phone iCloud always make sure you back up everything because you're never No, when you amen just for State Testing. So we got a KS. I didn't see any events coming up, but they have plenty of field trips in the near future. I believe so parents. Make sure you turn in those permission slips. Secondary besides the hundred Day celebration today. Usually we do this on Monday so that the listeners can you know, get the week in advance, but this was a little different week. So this is a special. God cast there is a game tomorrow. Yes game versus Porta, you know the coach for the boys team IPM the Lions basketball coach these Gibson, you know him very well. All right, he's doing a good job. They they won Tuesday night, right? Yeah Three Rivers so their District records now 5 and 2. Yes, I do. He takes those losses too hard eight. Losing as all coaches probably do. Yeah, I think it's that's just take that personal like like you're either into sports or not. Yeah, if you're into sports you hate losing. Yes, so it just the competitive nature. I know I've had to have several discussions with my son about his anger issues when the Spurs lose. Hmm, and I've known I know my wife had had have she's had conversations with me about that when this proposal is Apple doesn't fall off. Yeah. Yeah, it's a losing is not fun. So congratulations to the the Lions basketball team and the girls and the boys will play tomorrow starting at 5 here at the Kennedy. I study are Kennedy Secondary High School gym against Port Aransas. And this is a district. This is a district game. So there's a lot riding on it. So in the last game, I think our boys barely lost. Yes and wasn't it was close and I'm hoping they get this win. I mean a lot to them good luck leopards and lions tomorrow and they are also going to be doing a tribute to copyright and Coach lamb back to modify something. Nice. Yeah, it should be fun. So now we're going into achievement. That's what everybody comes as podcast for. You hear their name called out because of all the cool stuff they did. So, let me see if I can get some. No, I can't Mark laughing this like regardless of what you think like I'm poised and I'm snatch. I really this is like brand new to me. So I usually have sound effects in here and I can't figure out how to get to him yet. So that would be the next episode episode for sound effects. Yeah, we'll be waiting for him. So it's cheve mints for this week. We have our KAS Leo Lyons week 12 winners. Yep, Leo Lyons was a program implemented by I mean Miss recently retired Joyce homier and every Friday they pick and it's down a student that's gone above and beyond good character just really have to get with their there how they decipher how they figure out who gets a little ants because it would be interesting to know so parents knowing the future is I hate you know, this is how you get becomes really aligned but every Friday that gets elected and they get to wear a lions are leopards Jersey around so everybody knows that they are aligned So this week Leo Lyons our last week week 12 Kinder. Audrianna Rodriguez first grade Kinley Rao second grade Elijah tourist. Third Aubrey Villanueva fourth grade Ava Hill and fifth grade Stevens a Moroso Round of Applause for those guys. Yay lions. And then last Friday, we had the secondary on a row and perfect attendance celebration pictures will be posted. I believe it's scheduled for today. So congratulations. Do you know who won the $100 gift cards of top of your head? No, I don't but those are hundred dollars an hour right thanks to PTO amazing. They donate those think upto that's a Kennedy Middle School ptra. Yes. Yeah. I just got to say it is fun to see the high school kids participate, you know, I've been middle. for the last seven years and so high school never had a be attendance Auditorium experience like that and I'm going to tell you they like it just as much as middle school kids you know kids like to be recognized yeah and it's fun and we have had a ton of attendance good attendance and I mean it's just it's fun to see all of the they're working hard yes not only are we going to have their pictures posted the list is going to be published in the newspaper I think Nick's up next week so keep a lookout for that and the photos of the kids who got for a $100 gift cards will also mean a newspaper that's not that's not I mean $100 gift card slot where the gift cards to their the Visa ones the Visa so they can spend it wherever and then our wonderful principal and assistant principal donated some Sonic cards too oh yeah the random drawing so other kids got Sonic cards come on now and that's just for good grades and or For perfect attendance and you're showing up to school every day easiest thing to do just show up and you know what the interesting part of it. Is this those perfect attendance kids most of them were on the A and A B honor roll because if you're here, yeah, then you'll get instructions. Then your grades go up. So do they get their name get put in the hopper more time for A's, right? Well, they used to not I'm not sure if they just put in a witness that it's right. And then b gets a certain amount and then perfect attendance. Yes. Yeah, that would make sense. Like the more chance the more you more you succeed the more chances you have to win. So congratulations to our secondary honor own perfect attendance winners and recipient. We had some huge huge news over the weekend. Kennedy is uses blowing up and our students and our staff members are just make shaking the planet as coach over. Let's say For noticing we resonate like we got a audience first have first off. Congratulations to miss Karnes County Alejandra Hernandez. She was crowned queen this Saturday at The Rotary Club. Mrs. Carnes County pageant here at Kennedy is d That's not just Kennedy. She's competing with all the school districts in the county Runge falsity and Carson City. So congratulations. Regulations Alejandra Hernandez and congratulations to Little Miss can lie Rouse also Leo lion this week. Good job, Ken Lee uses cleaning up house. And then we had a big one that came out Tuesday or Wednesday. And that's our very own Coach Alvarez athletic director and head coach head football coach one my South Texas coach of the year. Yeah, that's coach good job. And that's competing it with. Oh, I don't even know how many different school that's not just the five in our County. That's like almost whole South Texas region with me. We was against the Fall City referral who just won State and he won he won in that was a votes from I believe other coaches. So congratulations, Coach Alvarez, he's saying blowing up again. And we're proud to have him here. That's for sure. Yeah, I had to get a special thing for my mic next time. I had them on the podcast. He's allowed guy. Yes, I gotta turn it down to like to but he doesn't need a microphone that that's the best way to say. It doesn't need a microphone. Congratulations to the KMS Cubs last Tuesday That's Thursday. They played Fall City. Seventh grade Tide Falls City and eighth grade 116 211. Good job. Miss Phillips, I think the games were cancelled this week. I don't know if they're going to be rescheduled but they continue the rest of their schedule next week. So we'll have a the date and times posted on our website and we'll discuss it in next week's podcast. Also graduations Cubs boys and girls. What are you cough a little girl cup just kopke bit. They're all cut their just Cubs that makes it so much easier. And then congratulations stated earlier to the KHS lions for their win over three hours 56 247. Good job Lions. Tell Gibson is you have an assistant? Well, it was dubya dubious softball has started. Oh, I need stats. Like I tell him that like I tell him hey, why don't you sit in that so I can announce it on the announcement just like few like two or three stats like who scored the most points he had the mostest. It's I agree. Nice work on that for next year. All right. Well get it to tell them get it to me after this game so I can announce it Monday and I don't need like five paragraphs just like imma make Jaden Choppers. Yeah. Listen to this goats Gibson happy wife. Happy life. Make sure you get those stats awesome. Good job boys, and then Saturday our Kennedy boys and lions and leopards powerlifting team competed in Edna. I thought I wrote that down but I guess I did not think it was Edna. Kennedy boys plays first individual results Reagan Villarreal fourth place Joseph Valdez third place Alvin almond or second place Jorge delos Santos third place Adrian floors second place in Joseph Luna first place. Good job boys first place as a team. I don't know what place two girls got as a team, but individual Miranda Blanca's I say well a house but leha's. Yeah third see this is why I have staff members chicken, you know that I should know that. Yeah, I talked about this last week. I am the worst with names. I was not born. I mean I was born in Texas, but I did not grow up in Texas. I grew up in Hawaii. Oh Arizona side. I have no I'm from Vermont. And you know, I just have to learn how to say them in Spanish. Oh, I guess I just need to step my game up. Her and umbilicus third Gray's graduate third place congratulations Miranda, ladies and gentlemen, and then we had a couple of our students really really making the community and our school district pal proud. Timothy Hawk is enlisted into the National Guard and Anthony Diaz into the United States Marine Corps. Whoo, why are they have worked so hard? I mean Timothy and Anthony are in our front office every other day. They You know just because there's so much they have do so much paperwork. I mean, there's so much to do and I'm going to tell you what I am. So proud of these boys. I'm so blessed to have had an opportunity to work with them this year because they are there stars for their senior class. I mean they are amazing young men. So they're going to make our America proud. Yes. I'm gonna make our cake is D proud for congratulations, boys. We truly appreciate it. Thank you. And then we had our you IL film results come in on Monday. We submitted five films this year three for animations in one documentary and we had three make it to the second round. So congratulations. Yes. We're going to try to have our Film Fest on February 20th. I need to get with you about that. Okay, and we want to invite some other schools corn City ready said that they would come submit their film to be screened here. And I think we're going to try to get Glee at I'll let you know more about that and let everyone else know more about the film festival soon. And then the KAS honor roll list. I've got a few days ago. Those will be published. Congratulations to all the ks on a road kids that will be in the newspaper also, and then I got the stock show results yesterday. So next week's broadcast. We'll talk about the stock show results. Maybe I'll have a Miss Bell stop by and go over some of those some but man Kennedy who in things we need to make that a hashtag ask you doing things making things happen. Good good job, man. Good job to all the students and staff. Parents and Community everybody is coming together and that's our tag line for the school district together. We Empower students. So good job everyone Round of Applause for everybody nice to be and last but not least. We have any shoutouts. You guys would like to give out. Yes. I have a few and these are just people that have gone above and beyond we've had some changes on campus with moving around. And teachers or you know teachers resigning and so we had to make some changes and so my first shout-out is for Ashley Martin. She had to take on some additional classes that she wasn't expecting but she took it and said hey, whatever y'all need me to do. I'm going to do it Miss Woods. Also she's helped take on some additional classes along with I mean, she helps with PTO. I mean you name it. Miss Woods does it and she doesn't complain so I appreciate that mr. A Thank you for putting together the hundred Day celebration. She spends a lot of time at a short notice doing that. So thank you for that. Mr. Stewart. Just because he's always concerned with kids. He's in my office almost every day. He wants to make sure kids are getting exactly what they need. And I truly truly appreciate that because he is it is student centered with him. And I love that also to all the pears, you know, they don't get paid enough for what they do and they work hard. So I I do appreciate that. They love working with kids and you know, they're they're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. And then last but not least. I always say coaches don't ever get enough recognition. Yes, they get a stipend but trust me it is not worth the hours that they put in in the morning there there after school on weekends and I just appreciate what all of you guys do and girls do for our athletes. So Thank you. Because if you didn't do it who would exactly can I do a quick shout-out sure. I just thank you Miss Gibson appreciate that and that's one of my shadows. I'm we're just so blessed this year to have administrative Lee our team. Mrs. Gibson is just taking taking our team to a new level and coachup Coach. Mr. War Sokka as assistant principal. I've just overly been blessed to work with them super intelligent organized fun caring people and they love kids and that's so important and then I am blessed. Thank you to the district for hiring our new CCM our young lady Miss Christina working with our College and Career Readiness and Military think she's amazing. She is my tag team partner and I'm just thankful for her. So thank you so much. Awesome. Congratulations and good job. I'm not from I'm from Hawaii. I'm a transplant. I'm just kidding. How do you say your last name of Aqaba Reuben? I know I'm not saying it, right? Yeah, it's Christina. Where's Christina? We're going to call Miss Christine. That's what she asked the kids to scholar tonight. I know all my family members were listening to us if shaking their head and embarrassment after we're says it very nice. She said a lot of things very nice and like, how about yeah, so good job everybody. I'd like I'm speaking on behalf of K. Yes those teachers also. They need a shot out. They have gone through all types of construction this year and and they have just gone above and beyond to make stuff happen. They've moved hallways two or three times. They've moved dropped off procedures and pick up procedures two or three times. They had one hallway that was finished and then the pipe bust and they had like three feet of water in there. So good job KAS for you know, just keeping everything afloat. And you guys keep to you know, stop. Oh that no pun intended. All right, so man, I can't take you guys enough how Be I am to be here at Kennedy iced tea with people like you guys. So I appreciate you guys taking your time today to come talk about a very serious topic and hopefully, you know together, you know, we will all get through this and pull forward. But you know, that's that's just attributed to what we are at. Kennedy is D We are family and I know you've been here longer than I have and your brand new but you know, it doesn't matter we still help each other out and come together. So I Appreciate all of you guys anybody out there in the listening. Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention you guys can now listen to this podcast on iTunes Google play Stitcher Spotify. It is all over the place in yeah in a few weeks. I think this week. I think it's going to be on iHeartRadio to so we're going to be blowing up man. So thank you everybody. Thank you all for making this podcast very successful so far with all the listings. The feedback that we're got we've gotten for it, and we're just going to keep getting better. We're going to keep rocking and rolling. So thank you Kennedy iced tea and Kennedy for everything. You guys do lions leopards and cubs. Remember who you are. This is gonna signing off. Thank you.

Episode 3 of the Pride Lands Podcast "Losing a Member of the Pride" - Coach Tyson Lambeck. Guests this week include Secondary Principal, Felicia Gibson, and Secondary Guidance Counselor, Geniene Harris. This episode is dedicated to Coach Lambeck and how he impacted students & staff at Kenedy ISD. Secondary administrators talk about how students react to the tragedy of losing a teacher and coach. They also explore the meaning of family at Kenedy ISD. Mrs. Harris discusses how the community came together to support the students and staff. Kenedy administration is most grateful for the help and support of Camino Real and The First Baptist Church of Kenedy. The discussion also ties into the tragedy that the world experienced on the same day with the passing of a global icon, Kobe Bryant. In other KISD news... - The 100th day of School - Kenedy Lions basketball team beats Three Rivers - KES, week 12, Leo Lions - Powerlifting meet from Edna High School. (Boys First Place and Individual results) - Secondary & Elementary honor-roll and perfect attendance - KHS Students join the military - KMS Cubs basketball from Falls City - Kenedy ISD Jr. Alejandra Hernandez crowned Miss Karnes County Queen - Kenedy ISD AD - wins the "Coach of The Year" award - UIL Film round 1 results. - Kenedy Secondary and Elementary staff SHOUT-OUTS! (Listen to see who they are?!)

Episode 12 with has Coronel of conscious explorers. Welcome to the multi-dimensional revolution podcast with make him a call the premise underpinning discussions on this podcast is that life extends beyond the physical dimension?But death is not the end of life that we're all connected energetic lie with each other both in the physical Dimension and across dimensions and that there is a purpose to our life that involves growth healing and assistance to each other. We will be having conversations to expand your Consciousness help you connect with your essential self and live life as an integrated multi-dimensional human being but given the subject matters. I have a request don't believe in anything including what is shared here experiment do your own research have your own experiences in always use discernment and musical introduction to this episode is The finished Fusion artist axle Tesla. The song is called reincarnation. My guest today is a london-based DJ kaas Coronel Casas. Not your average night club DJ. She has headlined many exclusive events for celebrities performed at The Wimbledon finals headlined the London gay pride Street party and had many amazing gigs both in the UK and all across the world. And we do talk a bit about the role of Music in her life and how that relates to her deeper passion for understanding and expressing Consciousness. Because of course that is the area Casas here to talk about I have known her online for some years as the founder of a Facebook group called conscious explorers. And I knew that she had a broad interest in all things Consciousness health and well-being. I did not appreciate however the extensive out of body experience background that you herself brings nor the intensity of her life struggles that drive her passion for healing and self-exploration. And I expect you'll be as moved by some of her stories as I was. We start the conversation with Kaz describing the role of out-of-body exploration in her life. And I found it interesting to compare compare her story with that of Gordon Finn from episode 10 of this podcast when he talked about having been trained to maintain his awareness and lucidity while out of the body by extra physical helpers. In Casas case she had a period of very intense out-of-body travel which seemed to be spontaneous. But at some stage quite abruptly was brought to an end with the awareness or some kind of communication that now it was time for her to focus on her physical life. And so there was quite a strong sense that this was induced Again by the extra physical helpers and her account really mirrored my own Of having an intense period that came to an end when it really felt like it was time to get on with physical life for awhile and both Gordon and Casas stories really made me wonder about how much control we actually have about out-of-body travel and how much we do still rely on the extra physical helpers to explore extra physical dimensions. So there is a lot of great information in this episode and I hope you enjoy it. I've been having obese since I was a kid and they were really terrifying for me because I didn't know what was going on. I didn't have anyone to speak to I wasn't trying to have out-of-body experiences as just finding myself floating around the house in what really did feel like Artis edit. Is that what they call it real time zone? Which is basically the physical reality rather than some kind of counterpart or stroll or yeah, absolutely in your parents in your childhood. Yeah, that's floating around. Yeah. I mean I see them sleeping. I think I even saw them having sex once, you know shit that you don't want to see and wasn't looking for and I was really really scared and I remember that well, I mean, I'm going on a tangent here to the bit. I was going to say Say but when I was when I first had my so when I was really little I would feel like the bed had grown and I was like, why is the bed grown and why is my face to the ceiling, you know, and then I would get this weird up and down thing happening and you know, I tried to make sense of it with all kinds of imagination. So you felt like you were going up and down. Yeah, but the bits growing the bread streaking the beds growing like what Going on, you know, and it was weird. It wasn't like dream stuff. It was a different texture different feel, you know, it's different. This is different. It's not like a dream and you know, I didn't even have the language to talk about it. And when I when we moved to a house when I was 7 years old. The one of the first nights I was there. I came out of 40. I went into my parents room. I saw them sleeping there. I was so scared and I came back into my body and it was with such a jolt that it threw me across the bed. I went flying to the other side of the room and my dad and mom came running into the room. Now my mark my both of my parents never speak about anything as a terror attack. They were very strict in their religion and they were just Dismiss everything but it was shocked because they was like what happened? I said I flew out of body and I would never even said that normally was because I was so disoriented I said, I flew out of body and I came back and my dad was like don't do that again. And then it was like I was like, oh my God, my dad's to acknowledge that this is a thing as I and that was even I didn't know that was even worse. You know, he's like just don't do that. Again. It's very bad you could get dis. Dislocated and not come back again. And you know, it will make you say would make it will it will make me kind of associated and I that I shouldn't be doing that and he said oh it happens to young girls sometimes. Okay. This is the weirdest thing but like anyway, anyway, it was years and years ago is of Really haven't quite traumatic experiences not having things like traumatic traumatic because you had no context. So right and you were like by yourself you're alone. What was traumatic about them? Well different things. I mean one one of the things that so yes, I was alone. It was weird. It wasn't I wasn't coming out of body think this is great. I was like what is going on and these were in the days before the internet and you know being able to talk to people about it. And then later on I just did start kind of reading some books about it and saw that it was a thing. But when I was about 16, I got what could be called as other entities trying to enter my body and there's many ways of, you know, interpreting what might have happened but the experience was that Different entities tries to jump on my body and try to take it over and I was really dumb and that was just the most frightening thing and that made me go to psychiatrist to you know to stop it. But what I should say it was that I was a very unhappy I was extremely unhappy I had a difficult childhood and lots of things were going on and I wasn't in a good place. So anyway, if you're doing that kind of stuff and you're in that kind of very negative energy then the kind of Is that you might manifest, you know are going to be a different kettle of fish and I've always been vulnerable. I mean, it's like it's like a physical person, right? If you're if you're vulnerable physically you're depressed. You're not very clear You Know You're vulnerable to physical intrusion people that take advantage of you and it's no different. Is it exactly that? I've always been like not wanting to talk about it too much because I don't want people Stopping worried that that's something that's going to happen because it can't happen and this you and this is what I learnt. It won't happen. Nothing bad will happen unless you allow it ultimately but if you're if you are very depressed and not really wanting to be there. Anyway, then of course you're basically saying, you know, I want to get out of this world then you know, it becomes a different experience, but I very rarely speak about it. Cuz you know I just there is nothing to fear but fear itself, but in some ways by speaking about it, I guess I feel like I can help you know, you can help it's important to have these conversations because lots of us struggle lots of people struggle and it's true and then it kind of perhaps normalizes. I mean, I went through a phase much as he described, you know where I was hearing. It's always feeling very unhappy in myself. And I was hearing all these voices in my head that thinking I was going crazy, you know that were very nasty and so on and I didn't understand, you know, if if this happened now, I would I would know you know that these are actually nasty people you know that are there that are kind of Harassing me I suppose so then you can support other, you know, if you see other people struggling with that, you know, you can you can support supports very true. And I think you know one of the times that I did open up about it. I don't know if you saw that video of mine that was a response to the nightmare documentary. So the nightmare documentary is a documentary about sleep paralysis and its people talking about how their lives have been completely ruined. Like they've had you know things like experiences of demonic beings and you know, all the kind of nightmare side of sleep paralysis. So there's a just explain maybe sleep paralysis. Basically you're lying in bed. You kind of wake up, but you can't move your body at all. So you're lying. They're consciously feeling out of control and as you say often often hearing or feeling or no or perceiving some kind of threatening presence around you. Right. Yes, I think this perhaps the scientific explanation which I suppose maybe is also a bit vague but the best explanation of it is that when you sleep your body goes into a like paralysis to stop you acting out your dreams and for people who don't have that mechanism, they might find themselves sleepwalking or in extreme cases, you know, attacking their partner in bed because they're living out what they're seeing. So it's just a sort of helpful evolutionary thing. But sometimes you can become conscious in that, you know, what's your body still in that state? And because the left brain has gone offline the right brain then sort of hallucinates what is happening? Because there are noises going on for example outside and normally when you are awake you would be like, oh, you know, that's the car or that's a car or that's wind or whatever but because the left brain isn't there it can't rationalize. So one of the Common hallucinations is that something's pressing on your chest because you've got a blanket on or a duvet or something like that. So there's a weight on you. And so, you know, it's this it can be very very terrifying. Obviously. Another explanation could be that there are beings that your you are picking up on and you're just in a particular State and actually in my response to the nightmare. I wanted to present different possible interpretations of what was going. On so I was you know, I was saying well, you know, it could be that because you're in a negative State because you're in a state of fear. It's just amplifying everything and you are then, you know, hallucinating all these dark and horrible things or it could be because you're in a state of fear, you are in a position of vulnerability and you are attracting, you know, some dark entities either way. The bottom line is that it doesn't matter because the only thing you have to do is transform that state of fear and very simply one of the things that you can do is just going to gratitude at this is what I found with sleep paralysis before anyone was telling me what to do with it because it's also very traumatic for me and I just would start reeling off being so I'm grateful for so when you do that your energy is just changes completely, you know, you're some me or in a much positive stay and actually it's gratitudes is quite similar to love, you know, you're so thankful for all these amazing things and those Experiences with just the slip away and what I wanted to do in that video is explain to these people that this thing that had traumatized they're hot them. Their whole life is actually one of the biggest gifts they could ever imagine. If only they knew how to use it because sleep paralysis is the most wonderful gateway to the out-of-body experience, you know, it's a very easy way to to have an out-of-body experience and if you're naturally predisposed to to having it then it's an amazing guy. Gift. Yeah, so maybe let's just talk about that because you've talked about how out-of-body experience to really traumatic for you in the beginning and now you're emphasizing. What a great gift. They are. So maybe just talk about how that's how that shift happened for you from. Yes. So actually this gets back to the point that I was going to make earlier. So I mean to give you a little background of what happened. I moved into a disused school. What's quarters we were Guardians of the building and there was about 20 of us there and my neighbor who's in the classroom next to me asked me if I would like to go to a Buddhist talk on lucid dreaming. So I knew at this age. She lost think that was in 2010 or 2009 sometime like that. I knew much more about lucid dreaming and and output experience, but I sort of lumped them. I'm in the same category as things that I wanted to avoid and that were bad. And and when he said the Buddhists were giving a talk on it. I really got my attention because I thought the buddies are amazing people, you know, they're full of kindness and compassion. If they're doing this kind of thing, you know, I've sort of put it as a dark art. You don't know don't mess for their like black magic even though I'd had some amazing lucid dreams, but still are scared of it, you know, and anyway, so he was like come along so I went along and then I learned that the Buddhists use lucid dreaming as a sort of way to well. Basically what they're doing is that they're their belief is that you want to stay conscious during the dying process. because if you can do that, you can direct where you go and you won't be suddenly shocked and confused and lost, you know, you can imagine that if you If you're walking down the street and you suddenly get hit by a car and you're not expecting to die, just like what the hell's going on, you know, you're there with all your beliefs and all your hopes and all your sense of self and everything and suddenly boom it's over so they said dying is very very confusing perhaps less. So if you're 95 and you're expecting it to happen any day for a few years. Yeah. So what they really want you to do is to train to stay conscious. So when that process happens and sleeping is like a training for that because it's like a little mini death that happens every night. So to stay conscious throughout the whole night is is very very tricky because obviously you want the body to sleep and the body can sleep. You can go completely to sleep and stay conscious throughout the whole night, but that's hard. So one of the ways to sort of enter this It's lucid dreaming because that's a little bit of that. You become conscious in the dream and you know, you can maintain Consciousness for of certain part and then you know, they sort of lured people in with all the fun things. You can do in lucid dreaming the the Buddhist it yeah, I mean, you know, Charlie would probably shouts at me now, but I kind of get that's what's going on. I mean, obviously there are loads of fun things. You could do lose it. Dreams, you can go and fly and have sex with everyone you want and this that and another but I don't think the word is care for you to do that. Really what they'd like you to do is made at a and stay conscious and present but that's probably not so appealing so, you know that it's always like the first bit is yet get conscious to have fun and then you know now we can practice and that, you know, you don't for the Buddhist practice. You don't need to be lucid dreaming at all. You could go into conscious you could be I'm just all through the night without having any sort of dream narrative happening. So that was my first sort of Entry really into seeing like okay lucid dreaming is a great thing and then I started from that exploring, you know, people who were teaching out of body experiences and getting their take on that and also seeing that the Buddhist even though they didn't really teach about it this particular lineage whose name I will never get It writes. I'm not going to attempt it. Yeah, but there are four lineages main lineages and this particular one. Did you use out of body experiences? But only a very very high level but they were still using it. So I was like, okay, so maybe it's not this evil thing. I thought it was and it just this knowledge. I suppose that it was okay just open this Floodgate Of experiences like it was amazing once once I realized that there's nothing to fear. the pair itself Suddenly I was doing things like so I had previously gone out the house before but only just very reluctantly and with absolute Terror. Yeah. Now I was boldly like going out the house as you know, I got my body I'd get in my out my robe and I'm like, right I'm going on an adventure, you know and interesting think the interesting thing about that is as soon as that happened so my energy shifted and I was in In a completely different energy. I was excited I was happy and what would happen then is that I would shift into these astral planes if you like different dimensions. Yes, it's always very difficult this conversation because the conversation of how to explain the different kind of out-of-body experiences that one can have and you know, I remember there was a there's a Facebook group of people who have out-of-body experiences we want Tried to categorize it, you know a sort of unified categorization of the different types of out-of-body experiences at it. It's very hard to put into words, but it in very simplistic terms when I was in a very low energy. I felt like I was always on the physical plane and the higher my energy got its like I got into different planes and I don't really like the description of levels. Like this, but because we live in this kind of you know 3D world. It's I don't really know how else to articulate it but it feels to me that you have the physical plane and then you have what some people describe and I describe it as the energetic duplicate. I think some people call it the esoteric plane where it looks like the physical plane, but it's slightly different. Let's just want there's always a clue. There's a clue that it's not the physical plane your rumors. Perfectly tidy but there's a sock on the floor. You know, it's not there. That's the only way I know sometimes I'm like, okay, I'm non-physical because I know that sock is not there. So I don't know who's doing this. Who's do you who's putting the clue there? Am I that's another big question. But the point is that there's a clue and from there. The next one is the astral world's which again that word astral is filled with dogma and theosophical and like all kinds of theories that I don't necessarily want to bring in using that word but people who go out of body will know what the astral is and the astral is different, you know, it's not the physical plane. It's very colorful. I find the colors of very strong primary colors and everything's bigger. Everything's just big in a expansive way and it's wonderful. It's a wonderful wonderful place and it seems to me that everything has its astral counterpart. So there's a natural counterpart of my school. My old house of different countries, you know, I always recognize it like oh, this is the Astro version of my school my old school. For example people. You meet people when you're in those places. Yes. Yes, and obviously on the astral one, you can meet all kinds of interesting looking characters that aren't you know, I remember once interacting a lot with this guy who had a bird head, you know, much like the Egyptian. Yes. Ah, let's see. So yeah, obviously everything is much more flexible there and the lucid dream space. So another way to get into the astral plane is from the lucid dream space that there's like a Venn diagram crossover and that's always another point of difficult conversation how to explain that but if I'm in a lucid dream I can make a decision that I'd like to be saying the ASL version of House and then find myself there and I have had some like proof If you like that I can get some data that's valid from a place that I've never been to before. It's usually a bit wrong. But if there's enough there to for me to go. Okay, I'm picking something up. So I'll give you an example. There was a guy I think his name was Art Oreo or something like that. Can't quite remember his name, but he was on a Facebook for him and he did not believe in the external validity of out-of-body experiences or astral projection or anything like that. So he put a test. He was like, right. Well if it's real someone come to my house and tell me what the photo is on my wall and I said, I'll do it because in those days I just hit was having out-of-body experiences like I could go to the shop like they were so easy for me, which is my point that I must get back to you. Don't let me forget about the period of time of when I just had the most magnificent out-of-body experiences. So anyway, I was like, yeah, I'll come tonight. You know, it's that easy and he was like, okay great and it was a huge discussion. I just remember there was loads of people on that thread. So it was this is what is in your in your Facebook group contrast. It wasn't mine. No, it wasn't conscious explorers. It was asked for projectors. I think I think that's what it's called. Yeah, but all The Usual Suspects were there so they probably remember it, you know yoga was there and I think Helen was there and there was all kinds of, you know weird and wonderful people there. So I was like, okay, I'll come tonight and he said where's your house and he gave me the address, so I went to his house and I knew that I hadn't got there physically. And I will just say that I came up with this theory that it's it's easier to be on the physical plane when your energy is very very low because it's dense and I think it's incredibly hard to get on the physical when you're not super depressed and Associated which is why I think not many people are able to prove things on it. If your energy is higher, you just don't have it nailed it you don't stick around. I found it. I did do it I did do Do it once and again in 2011, but I found it very hard. Anyway, so I went to his house on the astral level and I came back and I reported what I saw and I reported that the walls the color of the room was a certain color. I think this is correct. And also I said, it's not a photo it's a drawing and there's a thin brown frame. Found it and I described it, you know in quite a lot of detail and I said it's a picture of a house. It's a hand-drawn picture of a house. I said you trick you trick me. So it was a photo. So what happened was he said, right? Okay. So the room was not the color the walls was not the color that I thought but it had to be it had been in the past right also the picture it was a hand-drawn. Picture it did have the thin frame but it was a picture of him having an out-of-body experience because he'd have them he had had them all his life, but he had categorized them all as hallucinations so he could have them but he just didn't believe in it being an external phenomena is quite common. Yes. Yeah. So obviously I failed from a scientific point of view to nail what it was, but I remember the whole discussion probably fine. They're if you searched long enough and I remember somebody like yoga and saying, well you picked up, you know, you could say that the house is like a body because it houses you you picked up elements of it. You know, I got that it was a drawing. That was pretty good. Hit the frame the frame. Yeah. So in my heart I was like, okay, I'm happy with that. You know wasn't I and yeah, I can explain. Something similar that he'd done something. He told me a story where I think he saw Post-it notes, I suggest everybody just just bench explain for people listening you organ is Jurgen Ziva. Who's your Chase multi-dimensional man? And a number of other excellent books on them? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, he is amazing. Yeah. Sorry. I should explain when I'm talking about people. Yeah, so he describes something so In his, you know, picking up bits of information but not getting the whole thing which by the way does not prove that you are having an external experience. Let's that there's still many other theories could be telepathic remote viewing remote viewing. Yes. It is. It's a great example because there were really has been there's a real shortage of what we would cook classified as hard science proves. I think the only one I really know is still Charles Tarts 1960s study. I don't know if you remember that one of its a woman who accurately recorded a five-digit number. I think it was. Yeah apart from that. You know, I've heard quite a few different accounts similar to yours where people get bits, you know that almost. Close or so on but great Nichols has had a few pretty remarkable hits and he saw the Soho bombing in incompetence. I think a week before it happened and he spoke to a whole class of people telling them what he saw and then a week later. It happened bombing, which you can't get more accurate than that. He cognitive and he had that as an out-of-body was an out-of-body experience. It was an out-of-body experience here and he's had other ones at that. So I mean I without doubt believe that you can have precognitive experiences. I've had quite a few myself and I've seen enough evidence to know that it's a thing it's not always spot on which there's many theories about why that might be too. Yeah, Anthony Peak. Incredible writer of 11 books would say that we've lived those lives before and then perhaps we picking up details because we've suddenly found ourselves maybe on a similar timeline to a previous life and that's why we're able to gather that data. I was actually just on the threat where he was commenting and about this was about Déjà Vu experiences and saying there was something like seventy three different theories about it. So there's a lot Lat, yeah. Yeah love it though. I would like to I would like to kind of go back to come back around you were telling us about that that period of time yes. Yes. I'm curious to hear. You know how whether you use OBS now and how they happen to you now, but but you did sort of imply that there was this period was especially intense. Yes, so there was a time so what am I found my freedom with it, and I found just pure Boy and happiness. It was like a door was open and a lot of the time. I would get pulled. I just get pulled that I mean, that's the best way of explaining it as if someone had grabbed me from my hair but in a nice way and I literally pulled me out of body and I would just put in the request. You know, I'd like I'd like to do this. I'd like to do that and it was effortless and when I would come back I could I could open my eyes and then go to the toilet go and have a conversation with someone come back. Boom. I'm out again. In fact, I was telling Anthony this story just the other day. There was one time. Okay. So there's there was a city that I used to visit all the time called zeri and I just called it my astral City. I just loved it there so much. I just felt pure joy. They spoke Hebrew there. They didn't speak it out loud. Everything was telepathic. However, there were places where they did have out loud speaking because it was part of the atmosphere and one of those places was a Marketplace so you would hear all the voices. Has and and there were signs of obviously as there would be in any City and the signs were in Hebrew. I don't speak Hebrew, but my dad is of a Sephardic Jewish lineage and he did speak Hebrew, but I have never learnt it and I literally it's so vivid. It was so clear in my mind that I could remember. I could remember the word. You know, I have terrible memory, but with those experiences they were clear as As if they were happening there in my mind and so I could look up the word. I was like that means Stadium, you know in Hebrew, that's crazy. And one time I went to Zuri and I met this lady and she came and I was in love with her. She was totally not my type in real life, but I just felt this absolutely love and Affinity with her and in a weird way. It wasn't even sexual. It was it was just on another level. Anyway, she came back to me. Me too. She came back with me to my room and I was just like I've got to get up. I've got to go and do something. I mean, you know, I'll be back in about 10 minutes and I got up and went and did some things and I came back close my eyes immediately. She was there lying in bed next to me immediately. No, no time techniques nothing she was there and then I was like should we go back to Terry and we went back to the dairy. And you know just was buzzing with this and I thought I thought everybody can do this. Everyone can do this. I just need to tell people you just need to you just need to believe it. You just need to you know program your subconscious mind. You just tell it and it will happen and you know that happened for about a year or so, and I used to write up my experiences and talk about it a lot as very very very vocal. Oh about it and then one day I was told. You need to go and sort out your life your actual life. And this door is going to be closed. It's not going to be like shut but we're not going to help you anymore. And we're not, you know, it's time for you to do that. And also I was also told that I needed to change the direction of my group which at the time was completely focused at my groups conscious explorers. Okay, you're in started that you started that by then already. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not conscious explorers. I mean cooked conscious explorers was an idea that came to me just to give you a little back story. I won't get too lost on that tangent, but When I started finding out how wonderful out-of-body experiences and all this stuff could be it came to me very strongly you must start a group and I had a massive phobia of public speaking then and I really really really didn't want to start a group and I had this whole argument in my head for a long time like, you know with the voice was saying You must be meetups you must teach about this you must talk about it and I was like, oh, no, you know, even the idea of speaking of front of one person terrified me. I was really really scared but it would not leave me alone. And in the end I was like, okay and it's funny because I'd been trying to find the name for an album with my friend who'd been agonizing over name for about two months. And I was like, well, what am I going to call it? And it came immediately conscious explorers us. Okay fine. I did it and so then I did start teaching I did start putting up on meetups and you know little by little Two people lived three and you know, obviously I got more confident at it. And so the group was very very focused on out-of-body experience lucid dreaming just Consciousness. Basically. Yeah at the same time that my going back to this other story that this door was coming to a close. I was told Focus conscious explorers on things to do with in the real world, and I'm not going to use the real world. This is a physical law waking World physical life. Yeah. Let's call it. Yeah waking reality. I feel more comfortable with and they and it and it said things like, you know Health well being sustainable living even things like Cutting Edge science just stuff that will enrich people's lives in the The Waking physical reality not to stop the Consciousness. Therefore the lucid dreaming of the out-of-body stuff just Don't make it the whole focus and that's is what happened like the group but the group content became much broader as as it is. I mean, I don't know how long you've been in it. And if you noticed that shift if you were there from the start, you definitely have noticed it. I don't remember to be honest. I've been it's been years some years, you know, but I couldn't tell you. Yeah, well that's what happened and and I did stop focusing on my life and And actually not straight away and I had a lot of things to sort out a lot of things to sort out, which I've only just sort of wrapping up the end of that sorting out as Ben. I mean it shocks me to think that it's been about eight years of sorting things out. Is that correct? I need to just double-check those. I need to double-check that because I doesn't even seem right. Maybe I've got my dates wrong. It seems mental that it's been that long. But anyway, however long it's been it's just coming to a place where I've sorted out the things I needed to sort out and it's come to me again that I can go back more into this out-of-body. Tough and the lucid dreaming stuff. So to answer your question of before of like I did continue to have out-of-body experiences. I did consider it continues to have a lucid dreams, but they were normal. I might just pop out and be my room for a little bit or you know had they were just they were ordinary in a way they weren't the ones I had before they were felt like they they threw the whole night, you know, they were hours long. Yeah, they were in a Clarity that was more Vivid than waking life far more Vivid. You know it just this it really did and spend my whole ideas of reality because I was like this is this is nothing compared to that, you know, and we use vividness as a sort of marker of what's real. We think. So do you think there was a risk of maybe sort of alienating yourself a bit from your physical life that you would so focused on on the extra physical? Yes. Yeah, some people like to say that there isn't a risk people like to say I would take it but yes, I was happy out there and I wasn't happy here. I wasn't happy here. Also. I had no physical problems out there. I was Re you know, my body was like a superhuman because you can see as far. Yeah, you can hear things and Clarity you can see as far as well. It's I don't know if it's infinite, but you can see incredibly far you can zoom in and see atoms. You know, it's absolutely incredible here. I had a whole bunch of big big problems and and sometimes I would come back. I had a partner at the time. And I was it's so mind-blowing. You know, I wake up next to her and I it's been like I did it was like I'd been taken away by aliens gone and experience this whole other world and then being deposited back and I just would be like gobsmacked. You know, I'd be you cannot believe what I've just been through, you know, it's very hard to share with another person if they're not if they're experiencing the same thing right? It's kind of meaningless. Play yeah, exactly and she wasn't experiencing the same kind of thing. But one day I I don't know if I manipulated the situation. I probably did I implanted some sort of suggestions and words. Actually. He did have an experience and I'm very grateful that she did have that experience because you know opened her mind to I mean, she was always very courteous about if you like, you know, she wouldn't sort of outwardly judge me or say anything. Nothing bad, but you know, you just wonder like what is going you know, when you tell people this you think they're not there. They're politely going up. Well, that sounds interesting. But you're thinking in the back of the head there thinking I'm completely mad or that I'm worse that I'm lying. But yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was it was it was something absolutely extraordinary. And oh the other thing I would say is that sometimes I came back and it was like I didn't quite come back properly and at the Time I was doing some courses at the IAC the International Academy of Consciousness, and they said they said that can happen and and and it does it look again like my dad's warning, you know, I was completely spaced out for the whole day. I just was not there. It didn't happen all the time. Sometimes I would come back and I feel invigorated, you know, just buzzing, you know from this experience. But yeah. Yeah, I that doll was that help no one ever pulled me again that pulling feeling never happened again after that and they're very it's like a dreamt about it sometimes and I had lucid dreams about it and I had a couple experiences that felt like a sort of drunken version of it hard to explain but they were blurry and weird and short very short, but I've tried and tried and tried to get back there. In that massive Clarity in that same way and no one's helping me. And so yeah, I realized that They were bright anyway, but they whoever is on something else right now. Yeah, yeah because we're here for well. I say we're here for a reason. I'd like to think we're here for a reason. I was gonna ask you if you have it. Do you have a sense? I mean II one of my questions he was going to be like the fact that you started the group and that you you know, you started those meetups. It does give gives a sense that you have a sort of a feeling of purpose. All right. There's a purpose to your life. There's a reason why Here. Yes, I mean, okay on the one hand. I have a very strong sense of the things that I feel to do if that makes sense. I don't want to use the word should but it seems very clear. Actually. It used to be it used to traumatize me literally because there was so many things there are so many things. I felt I should do. Wanted to do all felt like the right thing to do and I thought I used to be like no, you can't do all these things right? It's not possible and it's just stop it and weirdly one day another tangent. Sorry. I went to a book launch of a guy called David McCready who wrote a book called. I think it's called you are not here and it's got picture of the Earth and he points at it and it's a he has a body experiences and I walked into the room listened to his talk and after. He talked a lot about Spirit guides after he came up to me and he said you have got so many Spirit guides. They are all pulling you in a whole load of different directions and my sister was with me. She just burst out laughing because she was like, that's so true. She's always been take like a million things. So, I don't know if that's if that's the case or not. But going back to the Consciousness. Go back to the question. I eventually thought never mind that I'm being pulled in all these directions. Let's just do them. Just do them all do it, you know, so I started doing them and I do have a very strong sense of what those things are. So that that is true. So in answer to the question, do we have a purpose? It's a bit of a tricky one because they're at some level. I feel like this place is a bit of a game and I was thinking about this earlier. A lot of people say we're here to learn. And I'm not sure if that's a hundred percent accurate. If you were playing a game there would be things that you should learn and things that you would learn in the game because that's how you get better at it. And I think that's true. But I think we're fundamentally here to experience. That's really what it's about. And certainly yeah, we will learn things to make our experience more favorable to us, but actually that's kind of the view I take now and which is quite against a lot of people's views at that. You know, they look at it much more seriously and obviously people are suffering and awful awful things are happening. However, if you think about a nightmare if you're having a nightmare, you know, you can really be an absolute hell but you wake up eventually and it's okay, you know, that was just a nightmare and I kind of I think that might be going on here. I think it's probably quite a controversial View and lot of people not like it but various things have led me to believe that and actually when the Buddhists say, I think the Dalai Lama said, you know, the one of the worst things you can do is take life too. Seriously. I think that sort of sums it up in a way, you know, we're here to it's like I mean when you say it's like a dream, I'm sure that's plenty of people have said that right and for some it. Yeah. I'm it's a nightmare. Yes. Not a very pleasant dream. Yeah. Is that sort of what you're yeah for sure. I mean, it's definitely been a nightmare for me. A lot of the time 50% of the time has been a massive Nightmare and fifty cents end of the time. It's been incredible dream, but certainly there's a lot of experiencing going on but does greater Consciousness need to learn anything. I don't think so. It's creating. It's creating. That's what's happening. Creating. Just going off everywhere. Is there some you know deep thing that we need to learn not really because we already know I think you know when you learn something like that you it resonates because you're like, I know that's truth. That's how you know truth. You just know it you you know when you hear it, so when you say greater Consciousness, are you are you suggesting you're saying? That we are all part of some greater Consciousness. Yes, I think an analogy that I like is that we're all cells in a body. So, you know when you think about it like that this little Sail on the end of my finger is just as relevant as this little cell here and they are unique and individual and they haven't completely different experiences and doing completely different things and yet they make up Me so where am I would you know settle are you yeah. Yeah. I've no I'm this Collective another wonderful analogy for me personally is how I feel about a crowd when I DJ the crowd is individuals all different, you know, and especially if I'm doing some sort of party where they have a come specifically for that kind of music, so they're all different individuals with different tastes and different whatever. But at some point if I do my job, well, they will become cohesive and they will become a crowd and the way I then respond to the crowd is is almost like a new entity. It's magical when it happens. It's absolute magic and I think it's like this, you know, which bit is the see another analogy that little bit there or that bit there. But yet we call it, you know the Atlantic Ocean. Well, I'd like to go back to that DJ and algae because I did actually want to ask you about you. Music and how it because I feel they must be a strong link between that expression of yours and you're interested in Consciousness. And I actually that it's interesting, you know, you feel that as the DJ the crowd coming as one but I also think that that's one of the things that we as individuals individual entities, really enjoy and Thrive is being at a party that or at a dance party that turns Into an event where you feel like you're just all one, you know flowing together with the with the with the music. It's a very connecting experience. Yeah. So how does that for you? Yeah, just maybe talk a bit about that. How do you feel your something's coming through you quite strongly? Yeah, and that's funny expression in music. So maybe talk a bit about that. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean what you're talking about on a biological perspective is me. In neurons and so, you know you can dance on your own and that's great like moving the body. We were designed to move and things get trapped if you don't move, so just being able to freely Move Yourself is one of the most healing things you can do anyway and music gives it gives you overactive mind. I'm not yours particularly but ones that overactive mind and ability to latch onto something so that it can actually just let go you know, and they were Motions can follow it. And that's fabulous. That's a fabulous thing to do that you can do on your own but when you come together with a group of people and you do that collectively you you're in a resonance, you know, these mirror neurons fire together and it connects and to me that's I mean it it makes me want to cry when I think about it. I just it's the most beautiful. There's nothing better. I think than you know, I'm saying with the with the group of people in you know, listening to something that you absolutely love and moving yourself freely. This is why I think things like five rhythms are absolutely incredible super healing kind of you know, what that is. I know what yeah, you might not have that. So here we have a few types of this sort of thing. It's called five rhythms ecstatic dance. There's some other ones and it's basically creating a space. Place where people are really encouraged to move their bodies very freely. So expressively as you want in the way that you couldn't necessarily do a club because one you don't have so much room until you're probably going to be self-conscious but is okay. Is it a communal event or is it a yeah. Yeah. It's a communal event. So like, you know a whole load of people come and and they play the five Rhythm specifically plays five different types of styles of music. A once very kind of peaceful. I don't even know what they are once chaotic. I can't remember the others but there's a journey of different styles and it took me ages to go to one. You know, I was very resistant. I was like, oh, I don't really feel like expressing dancing your fat really shy even though that was my whole career, you know, which is ridiculous. But when I did go I was like, wow, this is absolutely incredible because you're sort of encouraged into it and before you know it you do free yourself and it's literally so healing and you're not you're not looking at anyone else and you're not even necessarily dancing with anyone else. But yet you feel them there you feel their their freedom their expression and you buzz off that but sure you pick up off the energy, you know, like when you're dancing You're maybe not so much in the mood. But your kind of bobbing along and then suddenly this like really hyper dancer just pops up near your he starts dancing at you really kind of excitedly and you you you feed off it. You're beautiful. Yeah. Yeah liberates you and it's it's just it's magical. I just it's just yeah, I don't know how to put it into words and two DJ's such a it's such a Gift, you know, I feel so honored and privileged to be able to do that, you know to sort of I suppose it's in a way like a shame and would would sort of lead a journey that you're going on. It's a very personal Journey that you're going on say if you were to take Ayahuasca or something like that. It's very personal. It's going on inside you and but they're gently kind of guiding the way. With it to sort of open up this path and I suppose DJing is is like that and and it's and there's such communication. That's what I love about it, you know, always when I start TJ, you know, I'm always a bit like, you know, I have to get into it. It doesn't happen straight away. I need a few songs to sort of right? Okay, even just simple things like like yesterday. I was DJing and one of the Dex Dex went off immediately. Just three seconds for hours about start and because I used to so I always have that mean sorry. I've got cdjs cdjs that I put my USB sticks in and I can use them to DJ and and one of them just it just went off. I don't know if there was a power cut or something made it go and you know that doesn't usually happen but my point being they fixed. It was fine. But the point is that you know, there's always a few minutes of like is all my equipment gonna work. You know, she's everything there's always that so that woman you like a performing at me. Yeah, but yeah it is. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So it takes a little while but then there comes a point where you can actually start, you know interacting with the crowd, you know, you looking at each other and you're feeling each other. In fact, it's quite magical. There's been times. I swear I there was a time where I was DJing to in Brighton Pride to a huge Street party and something went wrong and they had to move me into a room a room. That was so far away from the crowd. I couldn't see or even hear them. So they were still broadcasting my music to them, but I couldn't hear them but I I felt like I could feel them even without seeing or hearing them. I could feel it. I don't know if I was imagining it, but you know, I was getting Text through go these amazing job. So hopefully I was getting it right. Well, you can feel energy I guess right. I mean with all the work that you do that would be an experience that will be part of it feeling energy of people and crowds and feel how the vibe goes up and down and yeah Yes, actually I imagine you can feel sometimes if there's like certain amount of drugs or something in the space and that would influence the vibe salute absolutely and I have to say that, you know my favorite part. Parties some of my favorite parties, you know, the conscious Raves were no one's on anything. They're totally drug and alcohol free. I mean the energy at those parties is usually superb always superb and people are so up for dancing. You know, they don't need anything. They are you they've usually do go to a lot of these kind of five Rhythm classes. So they're quite happy to just be expressive and they're just absolutely amazing, but you know what I've gone to really dark Energy Total Drug Raves and there and I've enjoyed them to their just enough very different level. And yeah, you have to work with it. You you do you feel it and then you you know respond accordingly to what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of fun. You know, it's supposed. Yeah. It's kind of a an Alchemy in a way music is a drug in itself. And you know, it's amazing. What? It's amazing how you can change an atmosphere alternate, you know, there's been times where I thought I could drop this tune, but it's going to create a riot like this girl. This Crown is very very hyper. They're all you know, even even a fun way, but there's a lot of energy it's getting a little bit of gressive. If I drop this to they are going to go mad, you know, and I'm like now let's not take it in that direction so you can change the vibe. You can change the you know, you take yeah. Take the crab in either direction. Yes, exactly. And yeah, I suppose it is, you know, it's feeling in there and just knowing when it's got too high because it does get too high, you know, you can only keep going up for so long and then you get exhausted so you have to bring it down. And yeah, it's it's it's it's energy work. I suppose that that's an accurate way of looking at it, but it's a co-creation, you know, it's absolutely You know, everybody makes it and everyone has an equal part to play in it. So yeah, it's teamwork. But yeah, there's a point there's a point where we're like, right we're one now, we're together on this and the people that might not even like that kind of music are now involved because they feel that they feel that you know cohesive energy and your music is so extremely powerful and it's why you know, it was a big thing, you know for people Like Hitler for example new the power of music and just using it to stir massive emotion because it is it does it connects people and it's does people so, you know, you can use it in for good and for bad, but certainly it's powerful its powerful. Yeah, and even if you call it here it is powerful, you know, I think I've heard that there was a place where a lot of deaf people used to come or is the DJ because it was a gay place and they said they felt I felt less judge there. That was that's why they said they came I don't even know if they were gay themselves. I don't think my work but they would you know, they would dance just as much because they can feel the they can feel the rhythm of the Russians and the just the energy of the other people. So yeah, don't even have to hear it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah magical stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to talk a bit about some of the broad topic of healing. And I know that's been something that's been really really big for you. Yeah, and You know you mentioned and I can remember where I picked this up. I watched videos of your videos. I read some of your content online but you you talked about this Loop busting therapy that you've developed and that came about conquering as you described it a 17 year battle with extreme bipolar depression, which sounds what you kind of alluded to before about nightmarish aspects to your life. Yes. Yes, and then somehow you work through that and came up created this tool that really helped you and other people from what I see about it online. Yeah. So yeah, maybe can you talk a bit about you know, how does bipolar depression manifest and then how did you tackle that? Yeah, so I had Something that was unusual in that bipolar there's different types. But usually the classic one is that you're depressed for maybe a couple of months and then you'll find for say four months and then you're totally depressed for two months. What I had was I would go from suicidal to euphoric every 3/4 of a day and the interesting to see if I did I say 17 years gosh, that must have been when I started the loop busting thing. to be honest, the battle has continued until like I'm still I've still been battling up till recently with that has much improved and I think think I've cracked it but it was the most extreme hell because it's just this up and down at such a rapid Pace to be absolutely I'm going to end my life now, it's all over and then, you know just a few hours later to be like I feel like I've figured out the whole of everything. I feel Euphoria and Enlightenment and then for that to flip, you know, it's just just that cycling process extremely exhausting and actually that has had a knock-on effect because it's been very very difficult for my body. You know, that that sort of up and down is is burns out your adrenal glands. Suddenly or you know, it's caused me to have chronic fatigue a point because also living that kind of lifestyle and what what sort of biologically was occurring was that I was not I was not able to regulate serotonin dopamine or noradrenaline so they would just fly from one extreme to the other. And DJing came as an absolute blessing because I couldn't hold on any job at all. Just just useless but what would happen was if I was in what I call the coma state which would happen, you know when I was getting into that low and I just can't move. I'm just I'm no energy nothing. The only thing that would could pull me out of that was something that required a lot of adrenaline like I needed a lot of adrenaline so I could Feel suicidal and like okay, it's over I can't do anything and then it would be you know five minutes before I have to leave the house to get to the gig I'd suddenly think. Oh my God, if you do not turn up you're gonna let down, you know a thousand people and it's a special event that them like get up go and then you know that push adrenaline would pull me out of that state no matter when I was in it. And I would just fly as fast as I can to my gig and then when I was there. I would find myself in almost total presence because I it's just a kind of in a kind of catastrophe because usually I'm you know, I just have a plan for anything because I just thought my life was going to be over earlier and then I would be there and just have to deal with a situation now and suddenly then all my chemicals have just gone boom. And you know, I would do the gig and you know, I'd be too high after that briefly and then that would crash and but at least I could do that job I could do DJing because because of that what I probably could have done any job as long as it had very high adrenaline steaks. Like if I had to be what was the other job. I thought I could probably do like a negotiator, you know when like so there's been a kidnapping. Or anything in crisis, you know, basically that would that would be something that might I could handle because I need I needed that level of adrenaline to do that. But that is a hellish hellish kind of challenge way to live and there's a lot going on. This is a long conversation and I don't know what depth to go into it, but I can now see that these patterns were created from like childhood stuff. The way I was brought up and stare strategies that it was a strategy for various coping mechanisms as all these kind of things always are And one of the things that I learned with the loop busting so I had again it was around that same time when I was having the obes that I was liberated from some of this I was going to ask you whether that that help did that somehow shift that Dynamic it did at the time but this is why it's interesting because once that door was closed. I was then I was back with my project. Yes. Yeah, so that's interesting why I wrote that and I That I need to look back into that because that battle didn't end there it I thought it did but what I did discover was that I would you know, I had so much therapy. I've had so many different kinds of therapies. You wouldn't believe to try and find the answer to this this craziness. And what I learned was that in therapy a lot. A lot of the therapy's that I went to you're just talking about your story again and again and again and again and again, in fact, you can intellectually know your story so well. Well and yet you haven't got to the root of the problem because it's not in this story so much know there's a reason why at the bottom line there's a reason why your subconscious is set up this problem or this this issue and it's usually because it's trying to protect you from something. So you'll fizzing around talking about stories. It's just leaving you on one level your subconscious to still got this nailed like, you know, there's a reason Doing it and it's doing it for your own good. It's just it's no longer for your own good maybe once upon a time. It was so you've got to get to that reason so that you can let it go. It's the bottom line and with Luke busting I discovered a way of its kind of like cross-examining someone if you put someone on the stand at a court case you listen to their story and then you'll say well, hang on a second that that doesn't add up with this bit of your story. Tori so that will always be the case because the story isn't really the reason so they'll always be holes in the plot of the story. It's just that the person saying it can't hear those those holes so you can say to them. Well, this doesn't add up, you know, you've said this but that's not true. You know that there are statements that people use like beliefs that they sort of hold like, well, you know men can't be trusted. They might say something like that. For example Apology seems like example. That's fine. It just came to my they might say, you know, I'm never gonna find someone I could be with because you know, I get it but at the end of the day, you know, man can't be trusted. So that's that's an all damning belief. I was like, well, that's not true. Is it you know, that might be the case of all the men that you've experienced in your life, but that that is not universally true. So if it if you tell someone that they're not going to To they're not going to hear it because they're in a trance. They have been hypnotized by their story. So what I found was that by asking questions that they are answered and not pointing out. I'm not telling them anything I'm saying. Okay, you've given me your story. So you said this is that right? Yeah. Okay, right. Let's talk some more we talk some more and then I say well, hang on a second earlier you said this and now you're saying that What's which one's true because they can't both be true. And then they're like there's nothing they can say because they said it they're the ones that said it so they're like, oh, hang on a second something's wrong and you can see their brain start to kind of freak out a bit because they realize that the doesn't add up. So then they have to give you more explanations. If you keep doing that repeatedly the story breaks down it just so is this something I did with yourself? I when you say they I mean, I'm almost having this impression that it's the conversation you're having with yourself and you've got this other know if you see what I see. I see us as having, you know, a number of different parts that constitute our psychological world and write its manifest in different ways. And you kind of have that kind of you having these conversations with yourself or no, so when I'm using this example, so I'm using it when someone would come to me with a story and as a as a loop Buster in reality to do this with yourself is extremely high. It's because you've told yourself a story like I told myself a story I will never be able to public speak because I had all kinds of reasons, you know, I was brought up in a strange religion where we couldn't express our emotions. And so the idea of trying to talk to a group of people was the most terrifying thing ever. So that would be my story. I can't I can't public speak because of this, you know, so that so if I then try and find the holes in my own plot of y That's not correct. I'm not gonna be able to do because my subconscious is operating, you know, so you need someone external someone external to kind of pick the I think you do. I think you do and yeah, so weren't yes. I'm talking about it from that perspective. I'm trying to think how I came across this. So did you did you have that did you do that work with someone someone do that kind of work with you and that that helped. Well, yes, I'll tell you what happened part of what happened was that I did a NLP course and it's not someone very generously gave me an NLP course and a lot of you know what NLP is neuro-linguistic programming. Yeah, a lot of what they taught. I wasn't a great fan of I didn't really like it but what they said about beliefs and you know how they're running we have scripts that run us, basically Did really resonate and I sort of took that and adapted it and I thought you know, I need to get beat. I need to get beyond the story because only then can I see what's what and can I let this go so, you know even even just a few days ago. I got seriously triggered by a member of my family and I thought afterwards I had to sort of come out the other side. Cuz once you've been triggered it's a nightmare, you know, you've just in that space. It's like someone makes you angry can't immediately figure it out. He just have to let it go and then in hindsight you can look back and I thought do I actually need to go into that state when that happens like yes, they're doing something that's very horrible. You know anyone would be reasonably upset, but do I need to be do I need to be affected in this way? And it wasn't until I could really understand. This is actually got absolutely nothing to do with you. You know, this is someone who's basically missing something and therefore most things something almost in the brain and therefore is unable to see things in a certain way. It has actually nothing to do with you and when I could see that I thought oh and I'm reacting this way because you know for certain reasons to try to protect myself, but actually it's causing me a lot of pain and they can't help it. So I can actually change this but you need to have that level of understanding to actually really want to change on all levels consciously and subconsciously you need to see things in Clarity. Otherwise, you don't do that. You know, you just continue with those habits for the rest of your life. Sometimes they can really ruin your life and really, you know, totally control your life, but you do have the power to change them. You just need enough. Understanding and compulsion to do so and then so you can really understand. No, I do not need this Behavior anymore and then start some reprogramming because if you've been doing something for years and years and years, it's become a habit. So then you have to take naps has created around it and this whole central nervous system is kind of adjusted to certain reactions, isn't it? Exactly. It's created a path in your brain. So now we're going to have to create a new one. So, you know an analogy is you know, you've been I'm looking at chocolate cake for years and your body is said I want that that's good eat the cake and you have to go. Okay, actually, it's not good. You know, it's making me fat and it's making me a sugar addict and I know it's telling me it's delicious. But I know I really understand now that if I spend a bit of time working on this I will no longer crave that cake and trust me. It does were like that because I have given up sugar I've fallen back. As well, I've given up sugar and it's been so liberating. It's been so Liberty. I do not crave it at all. But that takes takes some work. It's it's not easy at first because my body is actually telling me no, that's good. I'm not looking at a smoothie or you know and going yum that's good. So then becomes the the reprogramming but only with enough compulsion that to know that will I make that change and and that's kind of what I want to do a delete busting. I want people to see this is what's going on. The the reason you're doing this the reason you keep sabotaging yourself again, and again and again and again is because you know, whatever whatever the reason is so they can actually go right I don't need to do that anymore. And that's that's where that healing comes. Yeah. It's been a long journey. It's not been easy. No, no, well, none of these. None of these Journeys are what? I mean, that's something I keep finding, you know, as I get older. I realized that life seems to be a lot of things things take time basically in the physical Dimension, you know, you just have yeah healing takes time changes take time. Yeah, and when I say, you know when I say that life is a bit of a game it can sound very dismissive and it can sound Like, you know, I'm not appreciating the suffering because I I believe me I appreciate the suffering. I have spent 50 Cent My Life being suicidal and I appreciate the suffering but that doesn't mean I need to get attached to it or that any of us need to get attached to it. You know, we are here to experience and and for sure this seeing that seeing a day from suicidal to utter Euphoria has given me a very very broad range of experiences. For which I am grateful for and you know, but I think one day I will wake up as we all will you know, we will wake up and it's gone because it is Yesterday's Gone, even though conversation 3 minutes ago is gone. Like this is all we ever have and you know, once you know that then you're truly appreciating the present. That is true, although I also I was just thinking about this today and reading this somewhere. About how it's the past is also in the present, right? The past is living on in the prison, you know is living on an air jeans living on a narrow central nervous system and living on an area energy. So you want it to because it's you you're the one that's holding it right so you can go right? Okay. I'm going to let go of that. You know, I thought today again, it's funny. I was out on my Barefoot walk and I thought I think I'm ready to let go of this bipolar package that I've been carrying for a Sometime I don't want it to be Pop. I mean it's going to be I'll keep it as part of my story for the bit that's useful to help other people because that's great. You know, if I can help other people then that makes it I mean I want to say makes it all worthwhile, but something wonderful has come out of it, but I don't need it as part of my narrative anymore. I don't need to carry that around and I could I've got a choice about that. You know, how do I want to perceive Howard had a 1-1 a perceiver. I can even the way I perceive my body. Be like, okay, I perceive it as you know, I'm 42 and I am aging I'm getting gray hair whatever I could look at it like that, but I don't have to I can just be like, right. This is where I'm at. Where do I want to go? This is where I'm at. That's the only thing I know really anything you ever knows where you are at right now. That's it. I'm experiencing this now only bit of truth that is valid and I'd like to go in that direction. So I'm going to do that. No, because right now that feels fun, it feels exciting inspiring. So that's I'm enjoying my now with those thoughts. And that's how I'd like to live my life. So yeah, I don't know if that goes against what you're thinking I very much I very much believe it or not. I try and live my life also from creating my future like in the in the present creating my future with with things that Inspire and they don't is in position. So I guess I do have you know, I I guess I have felt there have been times in my life. I've kind of tried to escape my past maybe or avoid my past or something, you know and just focus on some kind of idealized image and presence and future and so on and more recently. I've really come to feel the importance of really going into everything that you know, all my lineage my ancestry my own multi existential ancestry and and and kind of owning all of that, you know and experiencing myself as creating out of that and bringing exceptions and healing to all of that to all that pass. Yes, not only respect that and you know that's of so that is a choice of how you're wanting to deal with your now, you know and Well, this is the thing and this is another thing that's very difficult to put into words time time and past lives and you know, there's a lot I could say about that too. I don't know how much time we have so much explorers anybody listening if you're on Facebook if you haven't joined yet check out conscious explorers on Facebook. It's a really it's a really good group. Good resources really interesting people, you know some great discussions on and off when they happen. So that groups they go through abs and flows don't they about how active people are part of that is me in the early days. I used to put a lot of energy into you know nurturing discussions and it just took such a lot of time out of my life and I realized that if I don't say too much if I just put a article without making comments about it. It it doesn't encourage discussions and as much as I love discussions, I only really do it now and it's something super meaningful to me because I just don't have the time and neither do I think it's great to be on Facebook all the time, you know? Yeah, but now and again it is really wonderful and it has really created a community and we've literally had you know, I said the other day, I think we've had at least 10,000 members in that group and probably more to be honest and and and it's wonderful. People all around the world have been in conscious explorers and you know, it's just like minded Souls. Like you said that, you know a passionate about these topics about Consciousness and life after death and you know, all the all the good stuff and yeah, but that it's a beautiful tool. So yeah, and also people can find your website conscious explorers.com, right which is got a lot of videos and yes that needs a bit of work, but I will do that. But yes that that that's that's There at the moment and yeah, that's gonna get a revamp, you know funnily enough all my obes and lucid dreams that were posted on their all stopped working. They just wouldn't show up weirdly around the time that the the door closed. I don't know if that's just a weird coincidence, but it's odd. But anyway, I will I will compile those together. Yeah, I think they'll be pretty booked a pretty amazing book coming. Some point and and then you music on YouTuber. I was listening to some of your Gregorian chant with dubstep before coming on. That was great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah this yeah, there's a lot more music coming out soon as well and some yeah music videos being made at the moment. So yeah, I try to always bring in I do inevitably always. As bring in themes of Consciousness. I I don't want to make them too in your face or even necessarily save much about it, you know, but it's there it's there in the intent and the energy and that I think, you know people can feel that so if you're interested in that that's deeply entrenched in all my music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I think it's very tangible. Well, thanks so much cuz it's such a pleasure. I hope Have another one of these lie to thank you for taking the time and amazing to see you and talk to you in in a more real way than than just online pleasure speaking with you. The music seeing us out is Kaz Cornell herself improvising on the piano. I really hope you enjoyed my conversation with cars today. And if you did it would be great if you can leave a five-star review for this episode on. Yes and share it on social media to help others Finders. You can find more information all the contact details for Kaz on my website multi-dimensional evolution.com. And you'll also find their my blog and information and reviews with my book multi-dimensional Evolution personal explorations of Consciousness. You can purchase that book in any bookstore. If you want to show your love for this show and get some practical info for your own exploration of Consciousness. Finally. Please get in touch whether it is to ask questions share experiences or suggest guests and topics. I always love hearing from People and I believe it is through sharing with each other that we can all grow together. Until then or until your tune in again. I'm sending you my very best energies and I leave you to enjoy jazz on the piano.

In this episode I speak with London based international DJ and explorer of consciousness Caz Coronel. We talk about how Caz transformed her fear of the spontaneous out-of-body experiences she had as a child and started consciously exploring non-physical dimensions, the challenge to objective proof of out-of-body experiences, the reason why people may stop having out-of-body experiences, following your life purpose, the relationship between music, energy and consciousness, a therapeutic approach Caz developed and called Loop-busting, and much more. Professional DJ, producer, musician, improv pianist and singer. Founder of the Conscious Explorers group and speaker on matters of consciousness, lucid dreams, out of body experiences, philosophy, well-being, mindset, mindfulness, nature hacks, mental and physical health. Developer of a life changing, world changing, personal development app coming soon! http://cazcoronel.com http://consciousexplorers.com https://www.facebook.com/cazcoronelDJ/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/consciousexplorers/ ​ Stay connected with the Multidimensional Evolution podcast and Kim McCaul here: https://www.facebook.com/multidimensionalevolution/ www.multidimensionalevolution.com “Don’t believe in anything!

Hey everyone, welcome to the weathering effect. Today is episode 29 and the date is January 26th, 2020 and I am Duds or Duds versus known to the rest of the interwebs and I am Jimbo AKA Jimbo slice 23 and we have guests today. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourselves?I'm YT YT. I make redstone videos and let's plays on my channel, which is just the letters yd y t it's pretty easy to find I mainly designed Redstone doors and build things from movies. Yeah, that's about that. Awesome cool. And I'm Cass. I have a YouTube channel as well called mais Uma games. I really love Redstone Lee. I love Minecraft in general. I do other games as well. But I realized your focus on technical stuff. I love survival as well. And yeah, that's the kind of thing. You will find on my channel. Yeah, you guys are awesome when it comes to Redstone. I know why do you only talked about doors and stuff but watching the videos and stuff. It's just way over my head. Yeah. We're going to start out. Yeah, go ahead Jimmy. I'm sorry. I've watched a stream quite a few times and it's it's hard to have to wrap my head around how fast Put these things together to and how she just keeps an eye on all the all the ticks and everything. I'm like man that's it's it's way more advanced above my field. That's for sure. Let's just practice you got to spend time with that but like three years ago. I couldn't build a redstone door. So, you know, it's just time you say this but I remember making a slime block elevator for my guy a couple years ago, and I was counting ticks on my toes. Just to get the timing right back. It was a lot around it. But let's start with what we've done this week. I've done very little Minecraft. So I'm going to start first the only Minecraft I really did this week was I cleaned up all my loose rocker boxes around the base. I did do some magic measuring for a carrot and potato farm, which I might be bringing this week. I had to take a break from the scripted episode just because I was getting bored out of my mind. So I hopped on the server. And I'm still getting that like frame drop issue. So I really can't wait for OptiFine. But yeah, other than that, I finish the drywall project in my actual house, which I'm excited about now. I don't have a giant gray wall. So it come out good. It came out very good. It looks like a closet now good. How about you Jimbo? What did you do this week? Well, I've actually been playing Minecraft a good bit this week on the ripple effect. We I say we mean winter Winters help me out in this Tower design, and I'm going Build a tower and he's going to put Iron Golem Farm in there. So that should be a lot of fun. We've been working together chat and hanging out and stuff. I also had to ride I made a video with a friend of mine leave. It's Minecraft new versus Pro. Okay, so he's labeled me the pro now. I was going to label you to do what the heck? Yeah, right. That's I'm like dude like I'm a low tier Pro. So if this isn't my old got you can find anyways, we did that. That was a lot of fun and yeah plan on recording this tower episode here suit on the ripple effect server. So stay tuned. Awesome. How about you cast? Well recently. I don't think I've been through a lot of Minecraft recently, but That's that's usually what I do in January up until maybe February I take a little bit of a break because I don't know I can't help myself and sometimes most of most of the time during the year. I do projects that really consumed my mind. I can sometimes really I really am really passionate about this game. Sometimes I can't sleep because I can't stop thinking about projects and this is this is the kind of level I get to the game. So I really need the break. And this is the this is the the time I'm taking a break with the game for now brakes are awesome. I hundred percent agree with that but I think media but been fighting through the burn out the last month or so then we had just going to sew this week. I haven't really done any work on doors because the previous week I spent like 14 hours in one day designing a door because I ran out of time for it and it was for a competition for Cass actually and so I kinda had to grind that out. So I'm burnt out on doors, but I've been occasionally logging into the ripple effect to dig some sand and gravel there because I'm building a death star out of concrete, but like it gets a bit boring. So other than that in my survival single-player world open Building 250 by 250 circle of grass because I'm building Isengard in that world from The Lord of the Rings and it's just a bit of a lot of grass placing, but luckily I Learned about grass farms recently. So that's made that a lot easier. I have never heard of aggressor. I did see use just plain go out for the stream and I was upset I'd missed it. But yeah grass Farm what the heck? Um, okay. So basically this isn't very well known but if you use a Hoo on course dirt, it turns it back to dirt so you can duplicate gravel. And then used to gravel and to dirt to make for daughter. It's to make for course turns then you till that for course dirt and now you've got four regular dirt. So then you use that for regular dirt and for gravel to make eight course dirt, then you tell that eight-course dirt and etc. Etc. And then you basically just have infinite dirt. I knew about making corsetry gravel, but I never knew you telling it could turn it into dirt nor did I I learnt it I was just like Getting down the YouTube rabbit hole and I found an El mango video from like 2015 about it. So I managed to manipulate it into a working farm and yeah seems pretty good. Yeah go on. Now this grassy area. Is that where the tower is that you made? Yeah. It's the Tower of orthanc from The Lord of the Rings. It's the tower. That's our Romans. And if you've seen the movies, it looks amazing the build. Well, I'm glad you like it. Yeah. Yeah, my Towers nowhere near that size. By the way, if you like good towered look at hers from thank you have a tiny tower. I get well, come on now, it's not that big. We'll leave it there. I couldn't help it. I'm definitely like the middle capability of a great timing great time. The there's a brutal tack grass Farm as well right. Bye Ray. Really? I think I saw some rice one. Yeah, it's awesome. I haven't seen uh, I'm have to look it up his pharmacies really good. So I'll see what he did. Did you guys see that? I have no son used to have mean I never heard of a grass Farm till now. Mmm, it's really awesome. They use Enderman like the ability that ender man has to pick up grass blocks and then they have a they have like kind of a spiral builds. That's mostly vertical and then I think the grass gets replaced it by dirt blocks. It's very complicated, but I think it's an awesome project. Really really cool. Half the size asting yeah, it does sound pretty cool. I mean there were a couple months ago. I was begging for grass on the server. People just kept giving me shock her box full to shove me up. Wish I would have known about that. You guys have some sort of exchange like a Threading system. I do guys. Hey, I want some resources you guys want some other resources? Yeah for the most part. We have like shopping district. Yeah, like nothing explicitly that there's a trade rate per se. Yeah kind of like trade for What I need or diamonds. Yeah, the grass for me was just to shut me up. Yeah, not everything for sale. I guess if you did once something in bulk, he just asked another server member and they'd yeah, you know kindly trade. With that, let's get into the news because there's not a lot of news. So we're going to fly through it one 15.2 is out. And that's the last of the 115 updates per tweet. I think I saw from one of the devs that they're already onto 116 or the another update. I'm super excited for the another update. What about you guys anything in particular? You're looking forward to show the nether Force. I really want to see how they Implement trees and I see all the different kind of mushrooms just new blocks in general man that always excites me. I'm kind of interested in seeing where they go with trading with the like, what are they called piglets or something healings? Yeah. Yeah, like I'm hoping that that's well implemented and it's not just like these are villagers but look different. I want it to be like something special about these that distinguishes them basically. Good point I was just really hoping for the coarse flour trade. So I don't happy around anymore digging up course plants. I'm excited for the blue flame. I really hope the blue flame has some kind of other abilities than regular fire. Maybe you can turn water into ice faster or something. Oh, this would be cool. So that's kind of what I'm hoping for but Ike I think it's just going to be a flame in a different color ways. Maybe my young will listen to the podcast and take your suggestion on board. I don't know for 29 episodes. Now. I've been yelling about getting a red dragon and they won't give me my ring off astray. The other part of the news is that Jeb has come out in a tweet about the mountain biome saying it's going to get done this year. I kind of feel bad for him because he was just kind of wishing people Merry Christmas and got bombarded with we must update. Yeah, I thought that was supposed to be after 116. I just stood could still be depends on 116 comes out. I mean, we have two most years as of late to update. So 117. I could see coming out in December 2020. Maybe yeah, like they're definitely going to try to get 116 out before. In con right because obviously they're going to be announcing 117 at Minecon like normal. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah, it shouldn't be too long. No, but that's kind of it for Minecraft news. Unless you guys got something else you want to talk about. Yeah. What up? What up? Let me show you a little bit. I'll talk a little bit about the dead or update. I think I think more things can change with the way we play the game. I think the nether the the nether Dimension is a place where nobody Once to be once you get there, there's not a minute wants to be there. You can't wait to get out of the nether. It's a boring place. You don't have any references if you get lost in the Overworld there. There's always something you have as a reference. Hey, I cross it this bio. Mike Ross said that biome I saw the three but now there's nothing like this in the Nether and now know things are going to change we're going we're going to have actually interesting biomes to visit. Maybe I don't know. I think that the gameplay itself is it's almost like a quality of life Improvement in my opinion. What do you guys think? I agree a hundred percent. I think originally the nether was designed so you could get lost and confused easily in it. And I think they're realizing that that was a mistake like you said because once you go into that, I think I mentioned this on the last episode. Nobody goes into The Nether with being in the nether you go there you build another Hub to designed to look like the Overworld so you don't get killed by gassed and resources on be Pigman. Yeah, and you gather resources and then you get out of there, but now hopefully the nether will Place you want to live are they are the bed still going to explode in another or you can you put it like build a base? And then another now live amongst the Penguins in your gold armor. I think Whole New World I think they wanted to change this thing with the bad the exploding dance as well, but I'm not sure and the piglets. I think they're going to do trading as well. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Well this horizontal awesome gold. So I'm like a gold ingot and they throw Show you something back. No, no, not sure what that is. But yeah, the thing I was thinking could be bad now that you talk about it in this way though is if 116 does make the nether into a much more inhabitable place and people choose to live there. How's that going to reflect on servers because on a lot of servers people's Nether Portals. There is another portal 20 blocks down the tunnel very often and it could Service people's basis could if for example when 116 comes out a lot of servers, I imagine such as hermitcraft for example will probably be resetting and a lot of them will want to do stuff in the Nether and in worried that it would reflect in really small areas for everyone. Obviously that problem isn't reflected in single player. But like in multiplayer, it could just become too cramped. Very true. My only thought against it were would be hopefully they didn't change. JH like the nether ceiling how you have that good like was about 40 or 50 blocks of another rack before you hit the Bedrock ceiling were yeah, you could kind of still fit another Heaven there without hopefully ruining the biomes down below. But yeah, I've got to feel a lot of people going to be playing there. Some people might just go and strip resources, but just goes back to my idea last just do command block teleportation saved another. Yeah. That's it hash. I've saved another another thing you got to be worried about is when you're building so you build this big castle in the nether you just getting it go on your in the flow and then someone pops into your base through a pearl portal. It says hey, my base is on the other side of the world. You got to move your Castle. I got to put my portal here. So that might be something else you get, you know, you have watch where you're building because all the coordinates is differences, and that's why I'm hoping that They keep the nether ceiling a good chunk. So we still do the tunnels and stuff up there. It shouldn't matter that much about the tunnels because you can now have a working nether portal above the Bedrock. So whole hubs can be just above Bedrock now, you don't need to put them in the nether I could all which is obviously easier because there's none of us bridging over lava or anything to get what you need to know. I was nervous because they're build height in the nether ceiling. Yes. 256 256 little okay. And the Bedrock I believe is at 128. So there's a lot of space up there. Yeah, sort of unintended change because Minecraft use it you have the 128 blocks height limit and then they change it they doubled it and I think that when they did it like the nether we got all this this free space there in the Bronx. Yeah, they just didn't increase the Bedrock height and I know I think it's good that you've got that space. Yeah. It's like Java player that awesome. Yeah, because let's face it gold Farms above the nether. Yeah way easier to be honest at some point. I started to question the how useful it is to have the the Bedrock ceiling. What do you guys think? I think it's cool because of like the ability to put a gold farming stuff up there. But like the fact that it's actually Bedrock doesn't matter at all because I think that in the current version it takes like Two minutes to set up a machine to break the Bedrock that's fine in a couple versions of the past. It's been a nightmare and then there were some where you just have to grow a dark oak tree and it would break the Bedrock. So like bedrocks never really been an issue with it being there and like qne I'd say reasonably experienced survival player who is interested in building Farms. They disregard the Bedrock completely to a new player. I'm sure it's quite interesting and like what above their excetera, but like most people aren't you at this point in the game's lifespan? Yeah. I'm trying to think back in carving craft. Like the first season we had our server was like 1/8 or 1/9 and we were on spigot which for some reason wasn't allowing us to break the Bedrock but we knew we wanted a gold farm. So I want to say literally everyone just voted to go into creative mode and get rid of the Bedrock where we needed to enter back. It's like I get why it's there and I could also see why it's not useful but Same time. Yeah, everyone just disregards it. It's a new place for a farm in the fact that you can build out of there. Does it really make it out of bounds? If you can place blocks, they have places where you can't place blocks that's out of bounds, but Well, they grow mushrooms up there. So that's got to mean something right one plus sizes about it is it's not spawnable so you don't need to light anything up up. Not sure unless you want you get lost. Really? Yeah easy. Yeah. So if anything you want to light it up just to make a path. Yeah, that's true. That's the one thing. I really are. Really. I'm not really easy about it is the fact that mostly we have access to that. Aw. On area because we find bugs in the game. Let me be honest. It's the bug that we use to break that rock is very easy to fix. So basically we are dependent on the fact that some people are still reading the gold and fine sure to crack the this thing and then we have access to the nether we can break the ceiling but at some point maybe they will change their minds they will say hey no more Bedrock breaking for you guys. So this is what I'm afraid because this is weird. And you lose something really awesome if they do this. I mean, I feel like they've done that in the past though like so they intentionally patched out the dark oak wood one, which was the one you didn't like one nine. I think which was you grow a dark oak wood tray on top of a dark oak wood tree. And for some reason the leaves would go downwards through the Bedrock and they patch that exclusively because it was a Bedrock breaking thing. So and everyone is like, oh no, they've removed this and then someone found out about the dragon egg thing and then people use Architects and then someone then they patched the dragon like so then someone found out about the current headless piston way and I feel like even if they do patch it we've shown so many times that we want that and there were probably going to figure out how to do it again that maybe they won't patch it this time if that makes sense. Yeah. I think you could turn it into like an achievement kind of thing where maybe there is a special tool you can find in survival or an enchantment that gives you like a no Unbreaking seven or something like that that it allows you to be able to dig through bedrock just accept this thing. Yeah. Yeah just accept the fact that we're gonna break bedrock making a little bit cooler for us to get there and what you bit easier maybe but you know, I mean if they're going to patch it up it is the nether update now would be the time I guess. Yeah makes that would get people more in the nether than above another. There's one thing though if they ever allow us to mine or whatever the the Bedrock blocks they will never drop the blocks. This could be positively breaks, right? Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. Like the block shouldn't be an item. You can pick up that would just make any foam that you found something with a Wither so broken. Mmm-hmm. Besides all those other the pranks on public servers and definitely not. All right, if you guys are good with me. I have news we're going to go ahead and move on good. All right, we do have a listener comment, and I've say this every time I'm so sorry if I mispronounced your name, I am very lackluster when it comes to this but page remote left a comment on our YouTube channel, but also joined our Discord and left a comment and it's kind of long so I'm going to try to redo it and then we'll get to talking about it because it's really cool idea. He says, hey just watched episode 9 about updates that changed Minecraft and your discussion about putting my track or magic in the game really stuck out for me. I had some ideas on how it could work. He didn't says there could be a block / station. I'm guessing like a Minecraft table or something like that like a crystal ball or something similar to the enchanting table that you would have to use to learn spells. The Spells would cost levels just like enchanting and repairing so players would have to choose between spinning their levels on a chance or spells and to balance this bent. He's out instead of consuming Mana or MP. They could have an item consumption like a bow uses arrows. For example, maybe you could learn a fireball spell that would cost 30 levels to learn like how enchanting works and the spell would consume like 16 coal per cast maybe you could get a levitation spell that could use Phantom membranes a fall damage spell that uses slime balls. And I said, what do you guys think about that? It is pretty neat. That's a think he's onto something there. There's a I like the crystal ball idea. I really like that. I mentioned the station look like a crystal ball and he had the levels that makes sense different items per spell. I mean it kind of it works. I'd like to see it. I think it sounds pretty interesting. It sounds kind of like a combination of like a bunch of different magic mods that have been out there. Gus because you got like ones that like give you specific spells and then you've got ones that cost items a lot not obviously I feel like it's not something really angered ever add because magic mods for example of been in the game since I don't know I I've only played modded since 1 5 and I can remember magic being a thing around then I'm laying of never even suggested they'd be interested in adding magic but like it definitely seems like an interesting idea and if a mod for example would made out of something like this. I think it would be a cool kind of vanilla plus kind of thing because it doesn't sound like it's full-on like thaumcraft. For example, where it your your whole game has to revolve around the magic this just kind of sounds like it's a little extra which I think is the way to go with these kinds of things so it sounds very interesting to me. How are you guys? What do you think? I don't think of her. I have a very popular opinion on this subject. But really I believe that vanilla Minecraft is ready for magic. I've always wanted to have some sort of magic thing that the player can maybe I'll throw Fireballs, you know, or as mentioned before levitate or something like that. I don't know. I really like that kind of stuff and I think it suits Minecraft. I think I'm right. With you in the fact that so we have this combat update coming up and on one of my podcast. I talked about upgrading armor and weapons. I think magic could like slide in there perfectly the way he has it set up I think makes a lot of sense. So let's say you spend 30 levels and you get the quote unquote fire charge spell cast. Maybe if you have a fire charge, which is just an item in your hand, but you click it it grows the fire charge like a snowball and if it hits something it Ignites whatever it hits on fire. I think that would be awesome. And I don't think it's game-breaking in the fact that fire does damage but not crazy amount of damage. You still have to make fire charges. So you're still having to gather supplies and resources and you still have to get the levels to get that enchantment and maybe make the crystal ball kind of like the enchantment table where it's still random. You don't know for sure that that's what you're going to get and maybe make it To where you can only have one at a time. You can't stack spells true just because it would be kind of ope run around with what ten different spells and you got this awesome Enchanted armor, maybe one at a time. I would think once about a time think that's a good idea. Yeah. Thank you so much for your comment and speaking of the center comment Jimbo. We have a disk or Dad. Yes, this week's Discord and it is from C-3PO. So go ahead. Hello interwebs. I'm C-3PO a member of the withering effect Discord a great place to talk to fellow like-minded Minecrafters and to get to know the people from the show. Sometimes there are even puppy pictures don't delay join. The Discord today link is in the show notes to Lou. That's made me say that. Okay, and we're back. Thank you so much C-3PO for the disk or dad and speaking of our Discord. We're trying to get you guys more involved with a lot of stuff we have going on in there and I came up with the idea for a block of the week. Come to find out million came up with the idea for block of the week way before I did so we're going to rip them off a little bit and do a home version of it. So block of the week. We have you guys vote between three blocks that will talk about the history and maybe how we improve the block or whatever. And this week your choices where Coral sponge and Redstone lamps and sponge one overwhelmingly. Yes. So yeah, you guys really have time for this funds for the sponge. Yeah. I was rooting for Redstone lamps. I had so many ideas for Redstone lamps, but you guys wanted the sponge. So I'm okay with the sponge. I like the sponge. Yeah, I'll go into a brief history and then we can maybe talk about how we can improve this sponge but I'm not really sure how you can improve the sponge. So let's start with it first appeared in 0.019 a way back then but then they removed it after like 50 minutes of use and it didn't show back up until beta 1.8 sponges can be found in Ocean Monuments or As a item when you kill the Ender Guardian, they can absorb a seven by seven by seven thing of water definitely needs to be bigger. There. They share the same sound as grass when you break them. I thought that was interesting and then when you place a sponge in the nether, it will instantly dry. And then you can harvest the water out of a sponge using a furnace / blast furnace and an empty bucket in the output. I didn't know about the another thing. That's how I was going to improve the sponge but about you guys I like the idea of you said make it more than seven by seven by seven. So what if you could make your sponge bigger, maybe you put for sponges together you get a big sponge you could take out more water that way because you can make an enchantment for a sponge called super absorbent. Yeah. It's a nice big crunch's Polk County sponge. It's awesome for you guys aren't familiar. I don't know about me is a product everyone. Yeah, that's its paper towels. Yeah, but in America, they're Dangs the quicker picker-upper and they could just absorb everything. So yeah Whitey. How about you? What do you think you could do to improve a sponge or you think it's fine? Just the way it is. I've two suggestions for improvement. The first step is a tool for Harvest because it doesn't have one. And it takes like two seconds to mine and that's annoying. So we goodbye wants it to be mined by I think a shovel would make the most sense but like honestly any of them are fine. I just think it should be have a tool like basically everything else in the game does. Yeah, and then I think that having a better way to get them in the late game would be good. So I feel that the way you get them currently as fine. The majority of look at him, but then you reach a point in your world where you don't you're not really Gathering that many resources anymore except for when you're starting a project and then you go to clear out some water and you realize you've only got like eight sponges and you have to go ocean Monument rating and like if that's not something you want to be doing. I think there should be an alternative way to get it. I don't really have any ideas for how that would be implemented other than trading which feels too cheap and Easy, but punches grow on coral reefs, right? Yeah. I'm still maybe have some in there. Yeah. I feel like they should keep them spawning at a rare. Right but like some people just don't want to go ocean Monument writing and like if you don't want to go I should Monument rating there shouldn't be this block that like shouldn't only be in an ocean Monument if that makes sense. Yeah ocean Monument reading is literally one of the only things that keeps me from doing so Player worlds because I love sea lantern so much. I know I'll have to make a guardian Farm but I hate making Guardian farm so much. I don't want to do it. I think there are a lot better now that you've got this cell sound trick as it's yeah, it's much nicer. And unfortunately the first video for one of those was released two days after I finish draining one, so I saw a bit unlucky on that. But yeah, from what I've heard those making one of those Farms. It's no longer a 50-hour process. Now so that's definitely better. Awesome. Where were you cares? What do you get for improving a sponge sponge? Just all right. I've been thinking why the guys were talking. So I think the one thing we could do is to add enchantments just found just above the tool that why do you talk about that? So I think what at all we could use to harvest sponges could be shears. Yeah, it could work down the shears. Chef's good luck and you have definitely gives another use for shears. Yeah, and I think I thought of three different enchantments that stone just could have I would like for every every item in the game to be really renewable and you know, if you want to farm it there's a way to farm it and of course it's not true for everything. It's the way that the game balance is out. So one enchantment I thought about is an enchantment that gives the response some sort of them breaking functionality and the same way that sometimes when a user pickaxe there's a probability that it's not going to lose any durability. There is a chance that when you use your sponge is not going to be wet so you can use it again. That would be awesome. That's enchantment. Number one number two would be a dry over time. So if it has level one two or three, I don't know. Place your sponge as a block in the game. It's going to dry over time. Even if you are not in the nether because let's face it when you're using your phone. You're not in another right? You're doing a cross a portal just to dry your sponges you you were trained most likely going to have a furnace Arrangement there something like that and the final enchantment that I would like to love to hear your guys opinions about is the sponges for lava. Yeah, I know. It's bullshit push a little bit. But yeah, what do you guys think? Thanks, especially if you could do the Harvest lava like you can do water trick. Mmm. It would be a lot easier maybe to kiss wet sponges stack, right? Yeah. Yeah. So if you use sponges and lava you could then stack which would make it easier to maneuver lava around tools. This is also something. Yeah great idea now is a I'm all for it if you can. Harvest the lava like you do the water now. Yeah, that's interesting. The one thing about these kinds of in chances. I feel like it would need a major overhaul of the whole enchanting system because we don't have currently any blocks that can be enchanted. And so to add enchantments to a sponge. I feel like I'd personally feel a bit upset if they added a Chapman's to this block and to no other blocks whatsoever make sense. So like I'd want to see if I I think these are great ideas. And I think that Enchanted blocks could be an interesting concept and like I'd like to see where they could go with something like that potentially like with other blocks. Why do you just opened up a can of worms and kicked ass in? No, I agree upset. You can enchant one block without the others, but I don't know what other blocks could you enchant? Like? What would be slime blocks? Maybe they're used for other things and building make them. Bouncy something like that eyes so did so it doesn't melt Under the Sun true. You can maybe have an enchantment but you put on any block that would make it a movable. Oh, I like this out so that I'll know like so personally when building doors, I don't use slime blocks unless I need to use slime blocks because I don't want to have any obsidian around like the edge of where those blocks would have to come. I'm out of the door. And so like if I could make those blocks immovable, then that completely negates that issue and I feel like it would make seamless Redstone completely different at the same time. It would be cool to ask to be able to enchant like obsidian to be clear like the what is it the barrier block? Oh, so yeah way to get barrier blocks in survival. Own visibility Persian subtitle block kind of yeah all manner of rabbit hole it. I believe people will do a lot of pranks with this imagine your place like an invisible wall when people are doing a lighter man. It's got to be messy. I didn't case in Jimbo's entire base be worth it. I wouldn't I probably wouldn't catch on for a long time. Like what the heck is going on. I guess it's a glitch him a base guys. We start we gotta restart so mean, but it would be so fun. Oh, yeah, that'd be good. But I think we'll go ahead and call it. That's it for block of the week. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. We'll have another one coming up. I think Carl said every Thursday we're going to be posting new blocks for you guys to vote on. So keep an eye out for that on the Discord and we're going to our main topic which is basically our guests with the lack thereof of Minecraft news and updates and stuff and they're going to decide to focus on you guys. So I hope you're okay with kind of Thrown through the wringer interview style first we're going to hit up Mazuma games or Cass. We're going to ask you a bunch of questions about some stuff. I've got a couple will start with how do you come up for some of your ideas? Because if you guys haven't watched his Redstone ideas range granted you had like three storage room designs for a while there. You just kind of kept improving on top of it. So it kind of felt like you had the idea to improve it. You just didn't want to put all the time into it and then you're like no I'm going to put the time into it and fix it all but then you have this the storefront design is what I really liked watching because I'm very big into automating for automating sakes like the storefront design. Most people don't do that in Minecraft. You can just say hey put three diamonds in here take a stack your like straight up Redstone ratios using choker boxes and stuff and it did. Say oh that was so much fun. That was so much fun. I I dream about these designs all the time. Should be honest with you guys as I told you guys in the beginning of the podcast sometimes I lose sleep because I can't I can't stop thinking about those projects. I have a lot of fun doing those things for the the the storage system has a little bit of a story through it. So one day I had this idea. Where we could have a bunch of items inside droppers and then we could alternate so I created something that you know, how we do traditional items orders using the famous impulses VS System, right? So everybody does yeah. Yeah those kinds of yes working since this is an amazing system. So I the my idea was what about a dynamic item sorter. So A system that basically allows us to change the item in the item sorter. So that was my first idea. A lot of people really loved that idea. But there was one one really real big flaw with the system. It changes randomly. So yeah, if you had two items it would work really nicely. But if you had a bunch of items inside, there's a chance that the items you were trying to filter for are never ever going to get a chance to be inside the item filter itself. So it was First idea so when I presented the system, of course, I showed everybody. Hey this those are the advantages and those are the problems and after that a lot of really a lot of people started contacting me. Hey, how about that? How about that with a lot of ideas and I never never really improved that system for I don't I don't really know the time maybe for two years and the reason why I never ever never tried to do it again is because I know that do me storage systems is a lot. It's her is very much the main thing it requires a lot of energy a lot of patience and you have to be in the good mood if you're not, you know, yeah in the zone you're not going to are not gonna do that. It's think about that. You have to place the bunch of items and if it fails you gotta you gotta place all the items again, I don't want to get Too much into the technical details, but it's really annoying working with those kinds of things. But this year something changes. I don't know what happened to me, but then I decided hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna get this right now. Everybody wants the system. I get DM's about it all the time and then it's time to redo something else and then I came up with this new system using Minecarts. I never wanted to use my cards because at the time we had big problems with chunk loading. Right, so entities use it to disappear if they crossed chunks and things like that. So I have my standard so I don't want to do something that it's a storage system storage systems are very important in survival. You know, you don't want your items to disappear yet. They'll be the ones are mine carts just disappear. So I don't want to use mine carts on the there's a bunch of stuff that are known bugs in the game that I try to avoid in my designs. Yd knows that for example, why do you like to do? Piston doors and you know that piston doors can be directional, right? Yeah. Yeah, so we have too many designs I've built and then been like this is amazing. And then I just turn it 90 degrees to check it so accent just doesn't and it's a horrible feeling because it come up with these amazing designs and then someone someone will post a comment on your video. Hey, I built it and it doesn't work. And the reason is this person built the exact same thing as you did in a different direction of this, you know over time eventually you learn how the rules in the you know, you'll have to account for directional designs and location of the signs and a bunch of other bugs that we have to work around. This is what makes you my opinion designs very difficult to do. So. Yeah, and I was talking with Jimbo Hale for you going Fred like early in the I said you had such a huge trust in mine carts, and I'm still scared. I know they fixed the bug but I'm still scared of mine carts to the point where I won't use Hopper Minecarts in a system because I'm worried that they won't run correctly. You know what that you were kind of Rights because sometimes they claim they fix bugs might you know, that being said, I'm planning on building your storage system just because one it's so much faster than the one I've been using just Watching it run and I was just like holy cow. It's worth me sitting there letting it load and run and geez, it's amazing design. I think it's a good system. In order to do that. I started testing this thing using the forge mod because Forge allowed me to have the word edit mode as well. So I could replicate things easily because as I told you guys it's really annoying when things fail when your item filter breaks. Oh man all the items start falling in the wrong places and things like that, you know, and I had as well afford was a problem as well and then Nameable actually does the who rolls Down the What is the name of navels mod? You guys know carpet much yet. The carbon Bond. Yeah, I used carpet not because I needed to speed up the process in order to test three stress test the system. Mostly I take it really seriously because I know I'm going to get questions. It's in storage system. I don't want to mess with storage systems. I know that's when some when people use your systems. You're going to get some criticism and you want Things should work. You know, I know it. I don't want to get too serious about it. But you know as I YouTuber as well you want things to work, you know, you want to have you kind of feel that a little bit of a responsibility, you know, some of my designs got into hermitcraft and sometimes you know, you wanna you want to look good right when when someone showcases something that you do, you know what you want to do things right? So I really I really extensively task. This thing use it carpet mods bed up to everything book loads of items in there. So I think it's it's it's a really good system. You won't regret see if you build it in survival. Awesome, they kind of leads into my second question. Was your been your favorite build you've done so far. Oh man. I say, is it the storage system or is it some obscure little thing you created long ago that no one remembers. I mean, I've been doing YouTube for seven years now, I think so. There are a lot of projects. I think I could maybe Mansion one project for maybe three or four different. Is it a real of to work the storage system is really really something. I love I have work at many hours on that people who follow me on Twitter. They know I always false pictures of the progress. I'm doing right? Yeah, and so people knew CPAP, you know how much I'm working on this. So I love this system. I am really happy with the final result. This is this is for I think this is the the survival category the thing I love to do the most but I think is minigames and I really love my don't know my my Tic Tac Toe which is a project that honestly don't think nobody cares. It's tic-tac-toe. It's not a great game, but it was very enjoyable and I think the final result was really awesome. I made it everything I do I do for survival. So you see a lot of designs. So people want to do being a games. They do things that have require you to fly so you can press a button at the top of I think you know and I had a little remote control so you can have your tic-tac-toe somewhere and you can press a button that can connect to this thing through a single wire. So it doesn't look like spaghetti. And you know, I did Connect Four. I really the thing I love the most I think is minigames. But at they also of course they require a lot of work and that should not extend myself too much. I would like to mention that one project that probably nobody knows but at the time it was very original. I think it's the most original thing I have ever done and nobody has ever mentioned this project so far, at least I think it's called Flame of Hope flame of Hope is is how can explain that imagine a light posts? Like a fence and then there is another another rack block on top and then I light it on fire and then I can you can press a button I remember right? Yeah, you can hide it inside the floor completely seamless and when you press the button then the torch appears and it likes of it's amazing. It's real awesome project. That sounds go. Yeah interesting. I have two looks I didn't see I saw your tic-tac-toe one and I thought that was really cool. I thought about put that on. The ripple effect server if I was able to follow directions, it seemed like I should be able to do that. But yeah, I didn't see the this one in I'll have to go look for that because it does sound really cool. I think I made this one for years ago or so and then mechanics that make it possible. I don't think the exist anymore because there's this bug now that we can we can't shoot fire fire charges through blocks from the floor anymore. Yeah, you get comments and doesn't work now no. It's it was never a tutorial. It was just a Showcase Video if you know look at this. Okay, I don't I don't even think I don't think I ever made the download the download available for people to do it was just you know, enjoy the video. There's a very positive message in the end of the video as well. As I was just in a great mood when I did the project awesome, I have one final question. What is your favorite redstone block / if you could change one Redstone Block, what would it be? Be okay and are so many things we can simple things like Redstone torches. I think we should be able to to place right upside down Redstone torches bunch of stuff would be cool. Yeah, this is something that I have discussed it with some people from the technical community, and I know that for a fact that this is not necessarily a popular opinion, but I really think we could have a block place. Dispenser for instance the spacer could be a block Placer. Some people say they would break the game if you can place blocks and mostly the arguments people use against it is so it's going to make things really easy or I made an awesome project that's going to become useless if you have a block Placer, but I think it's going to be open so many doors. Yeah. Hmm. I mean, I kind of greasy every time morning makes a change. Briggs Redstone, usually within three months somebody's already found in better easier way to replicate the farm or mechanic that was being used before. So while I don't agree with some changes, I agree that every change is like a new Avenue to do something differently and could be for the better. I agree. Yeah breaks up the monopolies or monotony little bit Monopoly a little bit of Monopoly is welcome, honey. Need some Monopoly in this game. That's what we need. That's gonna game. All right. Well, thanks again Mazuma. We're getting onto yd y t now, it's your time to shine. My question I have for you is what has been your favorite door design. So I'd say that it depends like what I'm looking at so my favorite door in terms of how impressive in my My opinion it was was I currently still three years after as made have the designed for the smallest 3x3 insync pistol or there are smaller ones, but I'm sure you've seen these tiny 1 y 3 by 3 is where the animation is really quite horrible. And yeah, I just personally couldn't put that in my base and be happy with it because it just doesn't look good in my opinion. And so I decided to make a smaller. One, however, I feel like anyone who is quite knowledgeable about Redstone and wanted to could make the exact same design like it doesn't I don't think there's anything impressive about it. So then one that I made quite recently Albany from the ripple effect server commission for me to make a wall Restore for him by commission. I mean, it was more like he asked me and I was like, yeah sure and so it's a five by four door with some of the blocks sticking out and other ones not so it's a like 3D 5x4 kind of like a vault but door but not quite and I'd say that's probably my favorite because I had to do so many things in it that I hadn't done before. So for example, I've never built a five-by-five door before and I use a 5x5 center block the mechanism for a center block in that I never designed a seamless hipster. Flow or similar hips to do by myself. I knew of designs, but I wanted to do everything in this one by myself without like just going on YouTube entering seamless hipster door and just copying his own. Yeah. So like as a whole I'd say that's probably what I'm really proud of because I think I screamed the whole project over about six weeks and like from my first versions to my last one. I think I genuinely improved a ton as a redstone are doing it because like I've never built a 5. By five before that and then after doing that project, I've built five 5 by 5 S in like the span of like a month. So like I think it's quite interesting. Like how one thing that shouldn't that in my opinion building it wore a store shouldn't make me a better Redstone it did and so that's probably why it's my favorite kind of crazy. They're just a phrase in itself building a walrus door made me a better Redstone. Yeah. It also did quite well in Reddit. They got like 10,000 feet. So I was pleased with that really thin thousand nice amazing ice. Yeah just views up vote. It was only like two thousand but like I'm pleased with of he's all mm the way, they're gonna be amazing. Every time I post something on Reddit. I get banned. It means you don't put almonds enough. They have a shadowbot that if you don't comment enough, but you post your own content too much. They think you're just self-promoting. So they just ban you so you have to like go two other people stuff and say hey, this is really cool every few weeks. So you can keep posting good point because I am very much a lurker on read it. Yeah, and it's very rare for me to post something on it, but everyone so I tried to do it and like I got banned twice. Yeah, it just looks like your self promoting basically. Gotcha. My favorite of yours is the Whitey door where you gonna put your name in? Yeah our so I love that that's actually inspired by something cast it ages ago he made A doll that was Tango tax logo, which is like T the school and I saw that and I was like, hey I Milo goes my name is pretty short. Just yd. It's two letters how hard can that be? And I think I have 12 versions of the store where the first one you could see like seven Pistons or Nets when its open and then I'd ones that were like 50 blocks long and used 12-block pushes on stuff in it to hide pistons and So it was very messy. And then and now my current design is like I think a small as it can possibly be you might be able to shave a block here or there but I think it's like 12 by 7 by 4 or something like this and it's just the letters yd perfectly seamless and Flash and I'm very pleased with that. It's definitely a very cool looking door for my point of view. I could never think to do anything like that. So watching both you guys do these Redstone mechanisms. Just like well the thing with doors is I'm actually not that good at doors in comparison to a lot of people so like it comparison to the average Minecrafter. I think I'm quite good at it. But then if you look at like some door YouTubers, I just get blown away by them. So I don't know if you guys have seen the YouTube space walker, but this guy's doors are absolutely ridiculous. So he has a seamless glass 3x3 door. So it's a 3X3 of glass with blocks around it. You can see any pistons and it closes in 0 seconds literally zero seconds because he uses zero tech technology and like one day I decided I'm going to download this world and try to dissect it so I can try and understand it and honestly, I've no idea what's going on. It's very impressive. Yeah, shoot you did kind of answer my second question halfway through because I was going to talk about honey blocks because that seems to be A huge saying for some door mechanisms now is having slime blocks and honey blocks not touch but you've come on said you don't like using slime blocks if you don't have to so I use a lot of slime blocks like behind the scenes in the Redstone. So it's like move signals up and down because you can put a redstone block on the end of it and then you can bring a signal 12 blocks down with one tick of delay, which like is useful for example, but I only build doors that I would be personally that I would personally build in my survival world and I just don't like the look of things when there's like an obsidian block there and you can tell that obsidian blocks there to hide a door like to hide a slime block and I just don't like doing that. So I only have two designs that I've made public that feature a visible piston one is my first ever red stone door, which I'm letting that one off the hook and the Is the war Story made for Albany and that was because he said he didn't care. So I just made it a lot more compact by having a couple visible Pistons. So I'm need very laid back when it comes to the head. Like I think that the honey blocks and slime blocks are not sticking is really really cool. But I personally can think of a use for it that I would personally actually use to be honest. So yeah. Yeah. Well, my last question is I'm not sure how you go about explaining it. But how do you take something like Isaac? Guard and start to replicate that in Minecraft. So Isengard itself is something I've built three times in Minecraft. Now the first two times it was only the Tower of orthanc which is the part that most people think of when they think of Isengard. They just think of the tower. It's actually the whole area surrounding it as well is what it's Isengard the towers just or thank yeah, but I the first time I did it I basically just went In to Google and I just typed Minecraft Isengard and just looked at a bunch of designs and then found one. I liked a lot and basically copied it but like adjusting hero there where I thought this looks better if I do it like this for example, and so I did that and then what I then decided to do was to take my first design there which was mainly someone else's with my own spins on in places. And basically I looked up every like concept art and drawing of the tower I could find and thought how can I make what I have here more like that and basically just tested a bunch. I don't think it's possible to do this kind of thing in survival. I think it has to be done in Creative. Like maybe you couldn't survival if you have a lot of patience, but I don't have enough patience to to do that because sometimes you have to move 50 blocks of a towel up two blocks and it's like I can't do that and survival. I don't have The patience for that but with like structure books, for example, that's not too hard to doing creative. But then like basically just keep looking at pictures and videos of things and then one thing that I think is really really cool about the Minecraft Community is all the people share things. So I go on to Planet Minecraft, for example, and you type in Isengard, you'll find 10 different designs for Isengard and just download them and walk around in the bills and try to like angle it in the way that's angled in a photo of the build for example and see how does this look is this lining up correctly and take inspiration from what others have done because they've put it out there see - well so then yeah, I did the same with I've done the same in a creative world for the Death Star now, which I'm not spoiling my design before it's done and then That no one else that I found has done is in the most recent in Avengers Infinity War. There's the like the ship that lands above New York. That's like shaped like a donut I guess. Yeah. I've got a designed for that one, which I'm planning to put in survival at some point. I don't even know what that thing is called. So I don't even know how to find what if other people have made it but that one I had to basically just look at all the pictures of the movie that I could take and it's probably less accurate because that thing's not on screen for very long. But yeah, it's basically just look at it a bunch test it in a test world for a lot of time and then one thing that I think is definitely important if you're doing things in Survival on this scale is the use of something like schemata or light Massacre to be able to put like a projection of where to place the blocks in your world. Because the first time I built it I built it in creative and I didn't know about schematic or so. I did it manually tabbing between two screens and I definitely would not recommend doing that because it's going to take like much longer. So the most recent time I built or thank itself in my survival world. I did it and I think 14 hours. Whereas the first time I think it took me months. So it's you get more efficient things and you get to look at them better. And yeah. Yeah, I think that's everything. Yes till 14 hours is a lot of time. I mean it's it's it's a lot of time relatively but it's the actual Tower is the shortest part of this project. So so far. I've if you want to see photos of it, I believe there's photos in the Creations channel in the discords server. That's a plug field is called server there. But yeah, it's what I've did was I Dugout a 50 by 50 whole built the Tower that I did in two days, I think and then I had to TNT a whole 300 by 300 area around it because I'm building the whole of Isengard this time T and seeing that I use just regular TNT flying machines. I didn't want to use a world-eater because I didn't want to risk it getting anywhere near the actual Tower. I'd already built. Yeah, and that took a week of AFK and then I've now been working on dirt for about a month and a half and I think I'll finish the dirt tomorrow. And then after that I have to design a wall that I can properly manipulate into going around a circle because obviously it's some places this wall is going to be one wide and another place is going to be 12 long because it's a circle so it's going to be kind of yeah awkward getting that so I'm not sure how I'm going to do that one and then I've got to build path. What should be the easiest part of the whole project and then I'm doing custom trees for the whole thing. And that's going to take me I don't even want to think about that actually right now. But so basically why these time is now taken up guys. Yeah, and then the final bid is I've got to build a mountain in the background. But like that's more like a once this whole thing is done. I'll then maybe take a year-long break and then come back to the mountain because I spent enough time on it. But yeah. Yeah, holy cow. Yeah, we took a year break for a Built My Mountain. Yeah, that's all the questions. I have Jimbo. How are you got any questions for our guests know pretty much just going off of your questions. Actually, they get to write down any now that's perfectly fine. We're running a little late as it is, but I wanted to thank you guys again for stopping by it's super late for these guys guys. So I said guys a lot They're holy cow. But yeah, it's what one am for you guys now, that's one for me. It'll be 11 forecast. Yeah, Dan for me. Holy cow. So I'm gonna go ahead and wrap this up let you guys go again. Thank you so much for stopping by Jimbo. Do you want to go ahead and read this out? 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Hi, my name is Duncan and we are the fancy Football Fanatics this week. I'm joined by Matt in London and Ian San Fran and new pot stirrer Gary in London as well and welcome guys, welcome back and Brilliant pod last week. I was gutted to miss it.And I had a little baby which has been amazing. So I've joined Matt in the world of podcast. Managing a child at the same time which is going to be good fun, but Gary's here now. So we've got a big Squad and we're going to rotate Squad rotation. So it's all good and football moment of the week Gary as it's your official pod debut as an official Potter. What was your football moment of the week? Okay. Well, yeah, it's my my big money move back from there. The Chinese Super League back to a more friendly time zone. Well, I've just been desperate for the football season to start again, and it finally did because Sheffield Wednesday fan the the championship games were on Saturday. And yeah, it was it was so good after a miserable preseason of whether we're in an embargo or not and Steve Bruce Judas walking out as going to to Newcastle. It was good to actually get back on the pitch and we won 3-1 at reading lovely turning shot in the last minute from Lucas gel to seal the wing in then then he probably going to leave as as well now after that but let's stay positive. It's yeah, it was a good performance and good to see some football proper football's back. And in that in that kind of positivity, you know, positively it's great to see Sheffield United in the Premier League, isn't it? Gary as a Sheffield man? Well, I don't must come I must admit I listened to the first podcast and I think you guys have turned into the Sheffield United show. It was so it seems that you're even trying Henderson in your team wasn't even on the game yet. There's a you anticipating new Sheffield United players to come so I will not be joining in with any of that. I will be boycotting Sheffield United players through the through the whole season. So I'll leave a leave the joys of their overlapping center backs to the rest of you. I think I think this is POD is definitely a United party. I don't think it's a Sheffield United pod. It's clearly a Man united pod is any regular listeners will know we are outnumbered you and me Gary by the man united fans. So on to the glory Hunters Randy, what was your football moment of the week? I'd like to point out that we are still my United fans and this is definitely not good. Not much Glory hunting going on right now. But as a man united fan, I think my will highlight of the week is that there's finally an end in sight to be in seemingly. Interminable Harry MaGuire transfer Saga. This is For absolutely ages with papers reporting the same thing every week that Lester 180 million pounds and man. You don't want to pay 80 million pounds, but it seems that in the end funnily enough. You have to pay the price of the play. You're drunk by Wood Wood high gonna play 80 million pounds. Yeah. I was having sex hagelin self down from 80 million pounds to 80 million pounds plus add-ons. So that's the that's what we've ended up. But yeah, finally that's over. We're going to have a Defender, which is nice. He's not probably as good as Van Dyke, but he's better than anything we have so that's an improvement and it's over and we can all move on. And so Jones is is gone. Oh, no, he's got he's got a new contract hasn't he? Yeah went along with Ashley Young and Chris Smalling and probably some other people that we've never heard of in not very good at football. That's nice. Isn't it Ma? How about you do any other great menu highlights Phil Jones was it? I've already covered that man. You sort of dominate the transfer rumors at the moment. I mean, it's pretty because the manufacturers Just Keep clicking on the bait that's put in front of them, but the Man, you story this week has been the can we ditch the car coup at all to be offloading for the price we want and we've got the nice proud moments man. You player manufacturing have empowered about to bother saying I do really want to play for you guys. I'd much rather not so that's been that's been really endearing if he doesn't move in the end as like are great. I feel like you really got passion for the club. But he's he I'm Duvall has got a place in the event has bench. So that's pretty good. Isn't it in comparison? Well currently yes that is that is better but that is also a bit tragic for man. You giving the we'd probably build a team around him if he was if he was willing. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I know but you've got Pogba for now. I'm you so that's good. Yeah. Yeah, I mean we might finish by the Arsenal you never know and speaking speaking of Arsenal my football highlight of the week a quick one. Shout out to Nicholas Pepe the new great. Hope for the other half of North London. And obviously I've done the YouTube videos. He's my football moment of the week. I would recommend any Arsenal fan who is As low as an Arsenal fan is usually go and have a look at Nicholas peppe's top 50 cars and because that will make you feel a little bit better. And my mom says it's shades of Perez. I don't know. I see a bit of of Omri a bit of couriers the error in the morning Stephanie Adams. Yeah, so that's great. So that's that's all sorted then for the league. But then shout out to my brother Ali who you sent me this which is a brilliant football highlight of this week. I don't know if you've seen this on BBC football, but we can tweet it from our Twitter account. So people can see it. I'll read out the article referee uses harmonica instead of whistle during none lead me and there's a video of it on the BBC football website and it's absolutely brilliant. So a stand in a referee improvise. By using a harmonica instead of a whistle during tiptree egain FC and stanway Rovers reserves pre-season friendly. The original referee was running late and needed a stand-in for the beginning of the match. But the substitute ref didn't have a whistle and had to make do with a harmonica. I mean that is non-league that is beautiful and that is football. And so I recommend people checking out that video is hilarious and so Quick one before we jump into rest of the preseason chat and fantasy football. And first of all, Gary you are the king of fantasy football team names. What is your current team name for your your fancy too? Well, to be honest. I haven't thought too much about it. But as you might have heard earlier, I'm still bitter about their the Steve Bruce debacle. So I just called my team cabbage heads in honor of the Aston Villa fan that through a cabbage Steve Bruce a few months ago. Might have to think of a better something hopefully preferably pun based but the moment I'm the Cabbage heads. I like that. It's very nice. And yeah, that's a good one. And Andy. What's your team name? Well, I minded placeholder at the moment. I haven't like Gary I had wasn't ready for this bit in the forecast. So I haven't landed yet. I'm currently you are my so shy but I don't see that last thing. I don't see Scioscia lasting either Matt. And what's your team name? I can barely remember. I think I just checked it is the will of the Week Speedy Gonzales James in honour of man united Speedy new well schwinger. Can you explain the joke as all as all the best jokes need explaining this work is a on Speedy Gonzales. And yeah and just adding the word James the end. Okay. Absolutely strong. I like it. I like it. That's so good. You look good enough, but can you better have a good name? What we wait for the Duncans avoiding giving his name now. Yeah, it was decided to go silent to maybe we did not do that baby. Just like not record that bit move on. Maybe we could do like this. None of us have got names yet. Maybe we can do like a steam for our names this year. He could be what see me you got in mind. I don't I literally just thought of the idea right then in that moment. So I haven't gotten them yet. Food maybe carrot phenomena. And what about I tell you my team name? All right, that leaves it's expensive. So I just a big long pause there to build the tension, but my team name is okay. Big build-up Crouch is so lanky. You know is lanky. Okay, I've got another one. I've got another one drop the den dunker. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's strong. It's got to speak to as well. I think then Duncan. Yeah, I like picking the player whose defense see player of pre-season. So last year was I remember Sokka and I went with Obi-Wan besakih this one it I think it's done dunker. So drop the den donker is based on the 90s comedy drop the dead donkey. It's a British thing. If you're in the state's look it up and I don't know if it's any good look it up. I'm not sure it's good to be plugging. It serious look it up, but don't watch a whole episode because it's okay. So we move on so I think our first section is needs a little bit of intro. So if you haven't listened to us before what we normally do when the season starts is we each go through our team tell you what went wrong tell you what when right what transfers were made. Made what points we got and what is breaking our heart in our team and we love do that. We love to talk about our teams, but it does take a lot of time when you have you know, four or five people. So this season bit of a change and I'm going to tell I'm going to hand over to Matt and Gary to tell you about the change. Yes. So we're going to pick a team across all of us on the Pod. And so we've had it go at putting together the Fantasy Football Fanatics. Fantasy team and what we've done is we've divvied up between goalkeepers Defenders midfielders and Strikers to each pick our own section. And then when the season starts what we'll do is we'll go around each week and one of us will have the final say on which transfer to do but we'll be debating transfers and reviewing how its performed in the past game week. So and did and if you want to just go through the team. Yeah sure. That's a good idea. So Duncan it was it was me rather than going by the way. And so on going that's that's why they finally get Sheffield United. I figured that was a team we can all get behind Fairly inoffensive. They don't have many brain cells. So you might be able to be able to win that one. Alright, so at the moment we have a goalkeeping Duo it's a budget go Gabby Jo of quetta and gun gun. Looks like he's first team for Southampton. So although all of their goalkeepers are four point. Five million that looks like a good deal and quite obviously was one of the stars of last season's fantasy league are our defense is pretty stacked in the moment. We've got both Alexander Arnold and Van Dyke in the defense. So against Norwich on the opening day at home. That should be pretty strong first week with Duncan zinchenko something for for two at this stage. So get Duncan to drink over two Defenders and then on the bench the defender is is Kelly from Crystal Palace. It looks like a good pick at the moment for the start of the season because they had a lot of injuries in defense. So he's probably going to get into the team but then fade away later on. So one that will it's transfer hour later, I think. The Midfield was picked was it was either pick me feel that that's like so we gate we divvied up budget. So I think it's between each position position. So I had about 40 million in Midfield. So which means I couldn't afford both Sterling and seller. So I've opted for Sterling Marlin a Berkeley at the moment and Perez as a starting ones and then dunker on the bench just to be the judge. One I had books instead of Berkeley until about an hour before the Pod and you reminded me that Brooks is in fact about injured and so therefore I can't look won't pick him. So that's one two, maybe debate. I'm not sure. I just I just picked a random player that was below six and a half million basically went to Berkeley to moment. Yeah, go thing, which probably since it was a kind of last-minute pig. That's probably one that we can we can do some debating on this week and I can be are part of transfer and team tick before we do that then moving on to the strikers. We even picked by then. We have Harry Caine Josh Qing qing's are an interesting point because born with obviously have pretty good fixtures at the start of the season and hurricanes hurricane, and then that leaves us with 4.5 million on the bench. So we have Mason Greenwood exciting for us the three of us, man. answer So that's the team and it doesn't does everyone agree. It's a good team. No. Not bad terrible is it it's not like I think all of us have probably picked a better players at our own teams that we have in this one. I think what we're trying to tap into here is the wisdom of the crowd the idea that by putting our minds together. We can measure out Gary's Madge Madge Maverick - we can get over Ben's Dullard - and and mats, you know Annoying winning streaks and Somehow between all five of us we can. We can produce a team that can be more powerful than our own teams. So it's very unlikely in the first is this team going to be competing in our mini-league to see if it can beat us and if so, does it when the Sweepstake we all could split this Roots take if we're in that very brilliant. I don't think is going to win. Be there no positivity and it looks like an okay team. I guess that none of us individually would have picked it because we've sort of had to divvy it up between different different players. And so each of us will see a player in there that we probably don't like I think one of the the structural things about it is that I don't know if we've got Kane in up front which is quite a heavy hitter and whether we want to shift that to Midfield or not, I guess. That debating point I didn't what others think about that. I've got three Heavy Hitters actually have ways of expertise tax team with Sterling Manet and Kane and then at the back, we've got the most expensive defender in the game and the third most expensive defender in the game. That's that sounds good. We've got big Heavy Hitters in the back big-headed as Midfield an attack. I like this Cannes in the team because I don't have cane in my own team. I've got quite gone with the template the you know, the Twitter template of FPL which is see Has to be heavy at the back because a lot of Defenders a lot of people on Twitter showing data saying that the lower price Defenders, even though there's 7 million or out scoring seven million midfielders. So they're worth having over midfielders and this outscoring even more the strikers who are 7 million 6 .5 s and so I've just got Josh King up front of my own team. That's pretty much it but I like the fact that Keynes in there because I wish he was in my team. I I just being led Away by the FL community. So maybe that's what we've done between us I mean I've gone with Kane at the my I haven't completely picked my own team, but I have I've got him in at the moment because he's a quite a bit cheaper than he was normally and I know he doesn't usually start very well in August, but I'm thinking perhaps it's become a look when he's got a bit of a point to prove. So I'm going to gamble that he's gonna kind of start. Well, I think he's also got some very tasty looking home fixtures. At the start of the Season his first three home games Villa, Newcastle and Palace. So so yeah, I think is a I think is a good one particularly looking at the first week is potentially I think the captain for Villa at home first week of the season. Yeah, I have them as well. When we spoke last week ahead of where robot my team is completely unrecognizable from the team that I described last week now and I have hurricane I've run as well same reasons. Okay. It sounds like we decided on K then which I can also see like it's quite nice to be different for my my own team as well as I can partly cheer on how he came as he scores goals in the first game week, even though he's not in my my main team because I went with the salah' Sterling sort of heavy hitting and then heavy hitting at the back. We spent I'm just gonna like Duncan very cheap up front of the moment. But yeah, it adds a bit of bit of difference. I guess. The other debating point is I said, I had books and therefore like the spawn this early fixtures and that also was a bit of a make weight as a six and a half million pounds player to be able to afford all these Heavy Hitters in our team. He's injured and so therefore we have a bit of debating point about who we were placing with I put in Berkeley as my personal suggestion. But welcome thoughts from others about six-and-a-half or below midfielder to put in. I obviously not has history of the Berkeley and the troubled and brutal hits. He had him and his team. Let's remind him about it last season. It was all going. Well Berkeley in and things just took a bit of a turn for the worse and he struggled but actually I think that you know, Matt is going against The psychology of ignoring that player who's done bad for you in the past and I think that is worth it. But if you look at the preseason for Chelsea in the stats, he's the top scoring if it was FPL point four preseason is the top scorer the Chelsea at the moment. I think he's got three goals three assists something like that. He's on penalties. I think he's been in on penalties and even when Georgina has been on the pitch maybe vampires looked at Georgina's ridiculous penalty. Technique where he jumps before he hits the ball, which just looks like the most stupid thing. Yeah, and that's basically why motherfucking is good pre-season. And yeah, I'm still slightly hurt by the his performance of my team last year when he'd scored about two or three on the charts. I thought we've got a new Lampard here for Chelsea put him in and I think sorry dropped him the very next game which is a kick in the teeth and it took me ages to get him out and cost me a lot of points, but this isn't my team so therefore I can put him in this one and it feels It was much better than that slight bit of distance and kicking him. I mean, my main question would be is he going to play because I that was the problem you had all last season was he was he'd either play the first hour and come off or he played the last half an hour as sorry had his kind of set rotations if he's going to play every week then then he's a good player to have a couple of other ones just to throw out there another fantasy football favorite, Nathan Redmond is 6.5 and if he still going to be playing more often than not as a forward, he might be one a shout or the guy you mentioned of the leaping penalties Georgie Neo might this one would be a bit of a punt but he's only 5 million and apparently is going to be playing a bit further forward and that would free up 1.5 million to maybe make an upgrade somewhere else in the team. Yeah. They met I'm I think that would be the way I'd go because I I think ioz Paris Is a bit of a like he's been a lot of hype about him preseason particularly fancy Community. I see him as being a bit like so Shinji okazaki, he works hard contributes a lot to the attacking play but doesn't actually get very many fantasy points for Lester just acts as a foil for the Jamie vardy and create space for him. And if that's true if that's the role that he plays. I think he's going to end up flattering to deceive and other players will do better than him. So maybe the way to do it could be that we can Upgrade thereby saving money on books. Hmm, so you'd be looking a sigurdsson or every child. Listen if you wanted to go for 8 million to upgrade from Paris, but I disclaimer something. I think I've got Paris in my team as well as the moment. So he's one I'm keeping an eye on. Yeah, I quite like Paris at the moment is of in the whole Striker for six and a half million for Lester and his scored. I think a couple of PCS and so I think he's a bit better than akazake in that role. So I mean so Berkeley to Georgie no is one option and that just gives us money to then spend Elsewhere on the team. Not necessarily Perez, but like wherever we we can maybe leave it in the in the in the kitty ready for game week one to no, don't do it. That's what I did last season. I have my the kitty all year and it was terrible. I'm not saying oh, yeah, I'm saying for like one week before we blow it. That's how it starts about. That's nice. Well, and I mean one of the one the one pick for a I thought was a bit weird was was been and gone with Mason Greenwood and I realize he's kind of gone for that just because he's really cheap and he just needed a make weight, but he's realistically he's not going to play. So if we did want to have a six million pound Striker then that could be an option. Yeah. Our bench is awful. Isn't it kelly didn't dunker in Greenville. The 10 dunk is gray. But should be dropped. Don't you have any insight and who's left to us? Who's not giving a suggestion for like a player to put in? Yeah. Can I bear to put in for who for Berkeley? I would I mean I think I said it before I just I think he's he sits such a cheap price point for his position in the team. I know that Mason Mount has look good in preseason and look good for Lampard and the championship last season for Darby, but I think I think that Berkeley is now established at the club. He's been there a while. He's come through his injury problems. Hopefully is it looks like he's on penalties. He looks confident. I've seen some of the highlights preseason and he looks like he's grown up a bit which he needed to do. So, I think he will be Mount to first team and I think he'll like The Challenge from now, so I think he's got everything that is needed for a fantasy player. Really? Well, it isn't Snoop ulasewicz is he not kind of that kind of attacking midfielder would he would he not be the first team player and Barkley would be the reserve. I think I think he will be a first-team player for sure, but I see him in the formations Chelsea been playing in preseason. I know he's experimented a little bit but I looks like there's three attacking midfielders behind the main Striker Tammy Abraham door Giroux. Whoever it is and those three attacking midfielders rotate between Hedgerow his look good in pre-season. Obviously William once he recovers and and but I think Pedro and William And the guy that you mentioned kilis sick, I think they're more Wingers. Whereas Berkeley seems to pay the number 10 and mount plays that role as well. So I think there's a slightly less competition for those positions. There's just the two of them. That's Central number ten roll Carpathia to they had last year he still there as well. Yeah, but I think he's still playing that deep-lying roll with Georgie. No, I think he I mean I hope why am I saying I hope I hate it and I think he will push forward more based on the highlights I've seen and maybe he looked good last season on the ball, but didn't produce any stats. Maybe he'll start making some more late runs into the box, but I don't think he will be an attacking Outlet so much as but hey, I agree with that actually if you look, A tragic history before he joined Chelsea. He was he didn't play that much Real Madrid deep. We sort of broke through and his really good Seasons at Inter Milan even then first of all, he didn't tend to play 90 minutes. He was substituted a lot even his best season and he scored five goals. He was he was playing as an attacking midfielder like in a number 10, Ron he didn't score a lot of goals. But if I sort of aleksandr head figure so I don't think hero absolutely celeb what I meant and I met him once You know, he's a meth lab. I met her Junior know the very shortest able to recognize them. I'm an asshole. I'm a man and I was waiting for a friend an airport and he came out just on his own obviously. No one recognized him as you just pointed out I said, oh my God Alexander of Z, you know pronouncing it in the Belarusian and can I have your autograph when he said yeah. Do you have a pen? And I said no. Ha ha ha so so he came with me becoming very with me. We can't you came with me to the travel money place. We got a pen from the lady and he signed a receipt I had in my bag more to learn once the hero. I think he thought I was a twat I like the idea that you've got a framed picture of flab with a receipt. Well, that's that's a crystal ball future. Look for metallic advantages. Well, I feel okay. So cavities we think is going to what I think anyway going to be defensive midfielder rather than attacking one looks like that that does I think leave us with Berkeley as a the favor for the number-10 row, which actually makes it a pretty shrewd pick I think so. I'm going to throw my the Berkeley ring All right. So we've got without without voted Gammy then so we'll keep Berkeley and it does give us zero point five on in the bank as well for the first transfer of the season when we realized that one of the pics we've had is disastrously wrong. So yeah, I think we're all set up. Could I could I could I try once again then 2 to boot Mason Queen without of the team because and I just don't think he's going to play I agree. I agree. You've got okay admittedly not a prolific goalscorer, but you've got Shane long from Southampton at 5 million and bear in mind that until recently Southampton would terrible. So he was mad just chasing look kind of lost causes but I seen it seems to be kind of close to first team and you did get a couple of goals towards the end of last season so I could I could at least see him playing and perhaps even scoring a few goals. Here here here is that I mean, I think you'll definitely score more than most in Greenwood because you'll be on the pitch. So that's obviously an improvement. So my counter will turn up What alternative pick how about lease mousette for Sheffield United Gary. So they're one of their new record signings at 5 million Striker from for me from Bournemouth. Might play a bit more these days. Um, I don't I mean as I'm not claiming carrying on my Sheffield United boycott into into this into this team I had will he go straight into the team. I guess that probably I guess they spent quite a bit of money on him. I would I prefer him to Greenwood at least will be potentially in the team straight away. They've signed a three Strikers have yeah, so they got Billy sharp was a bit more of a poacher who tends to play and last they have McGoldrick last season who's quite quick. I guess they're looking at new set as a potentially an upgrade on the gold Rick. Although this game rates McGoldrick is 5.5. So they may be the fantasy football brains. Perhaps seen the gold Rick still has a The first choice, I don't know. I think they've also signed all of them Bernie from Swansea for 20 million. Yeah, he's not an easy in the game yet. He's no he's not on the game yet. I'm presume. He probably go in at more than 5 million. Possibly set maybe won't be in the first team then which would make him pretty similar to Greenwood. Yeah is long actually first team first Hampton though. I'm not sure about that either and they signed Che Adams. So another Sheffield United ex-player. It seems to be full of full of shells. I plays this podcast. But yeah, I I think I guess that Shane long would play some games but not all I think I'm with Gary on the shenlong thing because he proved himself to the the hustle guy the manager last season hasn't hustle. And he loves as only coined the Hassan hustle hustle. So I like to press high and like to press high and Shane loves to run and chase people down. He's brilliant at that and so he's proved himself to the manager. And also nobody apart from us is going to pick Shane mom. But from Southampton fans, so when everyone gets rid of Greenwood because everyone's ammonia knife and apart from the sensible people and his value is going to drop to 4.3 something like that with all the transfers out. Whereas chains long value is going to stay at five because no one's getting rid of him because no one's got it. So we might as well have it. He's actually got six point two percent ownership along which surprises me a bit though. The other five million Strikers are obafemi also from Southampton jostle. Ooh, who's been sold? I think and only success and I you so unless we go with Matt's favorite Isaac Isaac success I'm not going to do is that one. It is UND only anywhere near the Brighton team. I can't you just move doesn't end only. All right. We check that. I like and Only If he if he hasn't moved I've had like 10 Downing. I think I've mentioned it a couple of times. I think if Potter Potter thinks Glen Murray can't handle every game then and only might see more minutes than other other two are the strikers were discussing. I think him and long have good options. Andy what is your research found a different player called and only moved brilliant, maybe let's so he's go with her and I think that Ben might be a bit miffed when he's chosen the strike we've exchanged one of his choices for fluorine and owning but I will brighten have a pretty good opening fixture list as well. Don't they say yeah, although is I think and the cardia actually sits above and own a in the pecking order behind So I'm not sure I think and only might be third choice Striker rights and it's like idea more of a kind of a support Striker and then down. He's a bit more of a Target man when Murray doesn't play I don't I bought seen masses of Brighton, but when they got there, they got a new manager. So they'll be playing could be a new system. So it's all about inserts and say it could be our game week one punt. I guess if we might quickly stopped him back out again having me. Has the error of our ways but we could go quite Maverick and go friend. Only I guess I guess this value at least can't go down with only point five percent of present system of selected in whereas lungs might go down 6% of gone for him. Okay, are we all decided then and donate? He's the one I just put it in, right? And then the final thing is we seem to pick a captain for game week one. So I think that illness shortlist this it's either going to be livable Defender because they've got no watch at home. So maybe Alexander Arnold or Van Dyke or cane at home to Villa or Sterling away at West Ham. What do people fancy? fancy cane you have it. I don't fancy pillar of God never shake. Well, they had a shaky defense last season and they signed loaded new players so they might be a bit weak at the back. Yeah, let's go for Kane then. I think that's quite soon as I agree of that as well. Although just just a bit of balance to my my only regret I do I do like Sterling playing in the striker role during pre-season while Aguero and Jesus are recovering from copper America and although his penalty took the other day was appalling and you know when he's if he is playing in that role in the charity Shield, but did he play in the in that role in the churchyard? Did anyone see the charity Shield? I didn't watch it. But yeah, he did start up fun. Yeah, okay. Well if he starts up front in the league, is that not a good role for captaincy? West Ham a crap sometimes I think I haven't even and another thing to throw in here actually which is to do with mayonnaise because Liverpool have a history of destroying Norwich by large gold margins, and so maybe you want Liverpool attackers for that. I don't think mayonnaise going to start although I don't think it'll last the full game because he went so deep into the afcon tournament that I think he's only I think probably missed most of pre-season. So I think that would be risky. When do we want to know if he's going to play? For 11 and a half million is the law for some reason play I'd say probably not at the moment, but maybe later in the season. Yeah, I mean, I think I put money in. I think you're right. That is a bit of a rotation risk for game week one with a rekey but I think the probably starts him and then set him off after 60 minutes. So I think it's a good shout through what is good for the first time and I think it's the best shout for captaincy game week one. Do you think it's a risk? You think it's not a risk for game week one, that's not worth taking like maybe we bring him in in game. Two or three once he's bit more up to speed. Well, I just think that if we're going to go Salas in our team, I think he's sort of a good balanced against that because he's still like a really strong player for Liverpool. They have some nice opening fixtures and we're saying he's had a limited preseason, but he's not injured or anything. So I think he's still going to be a fairly good shout for the early games fair enough and he has been on fire hasn't he for quite a while now? Yeah, and he's at that price tag from last season. Yeah, definitely. And if we were playing safe with every pair could be no fun. That's true. Okay. All right. Well my vote goes to Kane then. I will second that statistic like heard that. I thought that I'm not going to numbers and okay any more discussion points from the team? I think we can go into a bit more as the season develops, but I'm I think it's pretty good team actually is probably probably better than mine at the moment. I need to look at mine again. I think what we'll do is obviously the season doesn't start till Friday. Don't forget people Friday not Saturday season doesn't start till Friday. So we if we get any injuries to this team or if n comes back to our sun our WhatsApp group and says what the hell have you done to my Strikers then we might ask Bend to tweet out a poll the Twitter poll to see what you guys think if we get stuck. If not we can use that throughout the season if we're stuck we can throw You guys so you can get involved and but apart if anyone else wants to shout apart from that we will move on to the next section which is which is Gary and Gary's the king. I've told told some of the listeners about this last season when we introduced him as a guest Potter, but now he's official he is the king of spreadsheets when we when we played in a five side team. He used to run a spreadsheet for the whole team every different player had their profile picture. They had their stats their goals their assists. I think they might have been man of the match in the pub afterwards as well. It was incredible and get there were errors in the spreadsheet map and got you know, high ranking in the spreadsheet Gary needs to explain that before explains and rest of this but gut-punch see is is Gary's the main this season. So without further Ado over to Gary Okay, you'll be a public pressure. I mean, I don't and I don't actually think I've built a spreadsheet for the got pants, but I was going to do a bit of a league table. So what we did last season is that we picked a good punt just for each game week when we're looking at who we thinks going to do. Well that particular week you're looking at the fixtures, but just to add a bit more of an extra Dimension to the game. We're now going to have to gut points per week. But one of them will Our season long pants. So we're going to go for a cheap Defender cheap midfielder and cheap attacker and we've christened them safe for the Midfield as we called it like the Ryan Fraser trophy. So who's that? But Hidden Gem who can be a style wall over the so course of the season. But unlike the gut punch that we do for based on the fixtures for each game week the three that were choosing now at the start of the Season we have to stick with them through the whole season. So if they get injured It's just tough look you've got to go for someone. So so they've the principal there behind having three is that each week. We just have to select one to be our our regular Punt and then we'll have a guest got pain again. So so it will Kind of trying to attract some of these people to see who's going to be the next the next phrase are all the next Daugherty in defense. So that's that's the that's the thinking behind it. We can go into the individual choices. Unless anyone has any any comments about that just one comment that I think I love the names the Fraser trophy him and his trophy. I love the names but also I think how this applies to the listeners is that yeah. We are picking these for the season this is fun for us but for you guys and for everyone in the fantasy team Picking that gem start the season before they kick up his is crucial to fancy Premier League if you had Riyad mahrez in your team at 5.5 and that season where he went crazy and you were ahead of the game and that's what FPL is all about. It's about getting that player that differential player in two weeks before everyone else and if you're Gary and your Maverick, you can do it to me before that player even explodes. I don't know how he does it, but you can do that. So I think this is a really good new feature and unfortunately is uman. Yes, even in the game anymore. I don't think you can pit can we pick any alas? No, he cannot be picked. So this bed me some embarrassment there. Yes. Oh, so it shows some of our form from last season when Andy was extolling the virtues of him - at this time of the year, and I was extolling the virtues of check tosun and how I thought he could really explode at last season. So I think take our picks of a pinch of salt because that's what they were last year. So so yes, I will we'll have something to hold against each other as then if this goes horribly wrong, so maybe we'll we'll start with the docherty trophy and maybe Matt you want to explain why Max our ins is the man so I think no it should just quite attacking side. And as far as I'm aware, he's quite an attacking fullback that fits in that four and a half million pound bracket. Um, he's definitely picks a long-term. So I think they got some tricky opening fixtures. So I'm avoiding knowledge personally in the early fixtures and by pigs, but I think you'll come good hopefully of a couple of assists maybe the new docherty. So so dumb, can you don't agree with this attacking Defenders approach? You think Jamal lascelles Newcastle is the way to go. Oh God. Now you've introduced it. I know. So basically I my My Philosophy with all my defenders in my own team is just attack attack attack attack attack that so good question. Why am I going for genuine Stone? Well because this is counter-intuitive and we'll probably make no sense to anyone but me so Benitez has left but he's not gone. He's left behind him defensive solidity and unity at the back and that is embodied by one man. That man is jamala cells and Jamal the cells is a leader of men people say I've heard it and I've seen it when he's not in. Injured so maybe that was another reason for not picking him. And yeah, he gets goals. He used to be 5 million now, he's 4.5 and Newcastle are going to need a unifying Captain to get through the Steve Bruce here because cabbage head is not a leader of men if anyone hasn't listened to the 90s football podcast by Josh widdicombe and and friends. Yeah. He's really score. Yeah. Yeah. Need to listen to the episode about Steve Bruce's book called Striker and murder mystery about a striker who discovers a body in the middle is accused of it. All basically based on Steve Bruce's dream of him being a striker and it's just one of the best podcast episodes you ever hear about football and the man is a brilliant. Something and not Football manager, I could think it was about one more thing about Steve Bruce. I can think of lots of bodies. Everybody should follow on Twitter Steve Bruce at weddings. It's brilliant. It's a somebody has decided to take photos of other peoples weddings and Photoshop Steve Bruce celebrating goals into them is brilliant. Everybody should follow it. Sorry carry him. How do yeah, well, yeah as I say I can think of lots of words to describe Steve Brooks, but it's probably best I am move on. So I think and Andy you went for the Harry McGuire Chain Reaction, I think here you've done with Lewis. Stunk of Brighton or potentially maybe less stuff. Yeah. He's a tiny brightening the game, but I think he's odds on for a move to Lester. My my first choice is Max. Aaron was already taken by Matt. So I then had to rethink and I went for Louis phone because I fear is kind of one of the good things about brightens fixture list. This season is that they've got sort of runs of good fixtures and runs at that fixture so I can see them getting on a sort of a few sort of good runs of form where they don't concede very many. Goals, and so if he stays then great he's got that he's going to play every game and if you leave then he's going to upgrade significantly to Lester who will be one of the teams looking for looking to upset the top six this season and will presumably be better than if he was at Brighton. So yeah, that's that was my thinking around Louis tank. Yeah, no, I think that might be a that might be a good show and even if he stays at bright and he still star regular push pretty consistent Point scanner. So just Went with one of Sheffield United's attacking Defenders Jack O'Connell and I've gone for Isa Diop from West Ham who I think I put in for my free hit week last season and he actually did very badly for me, but I'm not been burnt by that by that and I do actually think with Pellegrini West Ham's defense might be reasonably tidy and he's also a bit of a threat from set-pieces. So keep an eye out for Isa Diop. My tip for the Dottie trophy. Moving on to the Ryan Frazee trophy. So I should just say that the Defenders we set ourselves a price limit of 4.5 million for the midfielder's we went first six million as bad as the limit. I'm immediately regretting my choice and maybe I'll hear a bit more from Duncan but I saw this one I went with Alex and whoa be I was kind of thinking now Ramsey's gone. Rosa was being praised out of the print out the picture. It looks It was actually a First Choice Arsenal player. But now that they've spent all that money on Pepe. Was it 70 million? I think he won't be might be being back to cameos Off the Bench. But who knows? Maybe he'll still come good Duncan was that foolish foolish punto is he and to watch? Well, I love Alex a wavy I think last season when he came off the bench and towards the end of the season every now and then he was just a player that we needed to take people on burst past them and he was just a burst of energy when we needed it a certain point. I just think the only thing that he's lacking is confidence in front of goal. And if he gets that then yeah, he could step into rounds his shoes shoes. As you know, an Arsenal plays been there a long time knows the club and the fans love him. Well some of the fans love him and but before Yeah, I think. I think it could be a good pick. I've always wanted to put in my team and I never never done it but I think it could be a good pick and I'd love it to be a good pick obviously because I'm an Arsenal fan and he'll probably start slow after the African as well playing for Nigeria. But yeah, I think he could form a really good partnership. I mean if it was me a play him on One Wing, but they Pepe and the other one tell hosel to pack his bags and and Yeah, I think that's probably hopefully what will happen by the end of the season. So we'll see if he can get that confidence in front of goal. And it's a classic Gary Maverick pick, but I love it. Okay. Well, well we'll stick with you don't because you think you're going for the Mavericks Maverick as your Ryan Fraser Trophy winner and Ross Townsend. I just and Ross, you know, and when he was playing for Spurs, I thought is really promising. You went to QPR and he looked brilliant and then he moved to Palace and then he just kept on shooting from ridiculous range when it was needed or not. But I think if so hard goes, I think last season Townsend started to add and impressive kind of creativity to his game Crossing. Assisting goals and he wasn't just shooting from ridiculous range. If so who stays all the better. I think I think that's going to create opportunities for towns in these can grow and grow and but if saw her leaves still a bonus, you'll become kind of the main man. I think towns and lost his rag last season and kick the Dugout or something like that and got dropped for the end of the season, but I think if memory recalls he came back into the team right the last kind of gasp of the season, so he's Something to prove to the manager and his stats are up. He's quite a think if you look sort by field as six million and under I think he's quite high scoring total score. So I think across the whole season. He's a safe pick to play every week get attacking returns in a team with a good manager and the settled team. So that's why I went for him. Okay, good thinking. So I'm Andy you went for a bit more of a Swagger with y'all's bit someone with a bit of an attitude. So Jack British. Yeah, I am it's of the spirit of this this competition is to try and pick the next sort of rehab mares. He's going to sort of come out of nowhere and score loads of goals. I think that's definitely not going to be and Ross Townsend. He might he probably gonna do. All right, but really she's somebody who might do amazing on might be completely terrible, but from his performances last year in the championship. He's obviously been a tough and not a lot by being kicked repeatedly. She got punched in one of the game. His innards of the Darby law season didn't he instead of her carried on with the game, but I did lie. Yeah, so I think his mentality has improved a lot since he was lost in the Premier League. He was obviously bill as best player last season and I feel like if any of the promoted sides this season have a chance of doing anything is going to be Villa because they've invested basically exactly what the different team plus which I would agree to still so yeah - I was of torn between him and maybe trezeguet who's also available. Player, but I went with greenish because I feel like he's more likely to start the season on a role rather than having to be bedded in. Matt you were saying that you think that he's won one pass behind the assister. Yeah, and I think that's just looking at his stats from last season. I think the other midfielders was it is Houlihan and begin who have favilla sort of outscored him and goals and assists and but everyone was raving about greenish and how amazing was and I watched very little of Aston Villa last season, but the bitter did watch around Christmas I saw that green It was definitely knitting play really. Well, you can see him sort of the star man hit had really good. It's a fair point. I think none of us really knows what the sort of flow of players going to be for us to visit this season, and he might well be the sort of player who is One path behind the assist but it's a pretty tight budget at six million and there's a chance that he might go wild. So that's why I picked him. I don't know. I think he's made Matt speechless. So I think is what he's going to do great things this season and he's got he's got short socks, which is so cool. If Matt's regained his ability to speak then he might be able to talk us through the core a has his pick maybe not. Okay. Well, it looks like Matt and Ben have gone for a couple of Watford Evergreens in Decorah and / are pereyra very rare. Am I saying that right who who were right up at the top of the price bracket? So of the points scored and this in this price bracket last season, so I think they're two pretty solid ones to look out for as well. Yeah, I think I think the core is a great pick from that. I think it's it's similar to my pic with Townsend. That's probably why I think it's good because it's solid he'll play every week. He gets the old gold, but it's mainly the just a playing every week thing. And then for the I guess we'll move on to the him in s trophy which is the strikers. He's actually really difficult to do this because we set a price limit of 6 million and when you look on the game, there's only actually 39 players to six million. And the number of them are actually play is quite limited. I'm afraid to say again. There's a very strong Sheffield United thing to this one. We've got to a Sheffield United Youth products. We've got two players who I think of the kind of players who will go to play for Sheffield United in the future maybe in the championship in a next season and one current Sheffield United player. So Duncan you want to start with Billy sharp. Yeah Billy sharp, and I think the reason that I went for Billy sharp is really because of I'm a big fan of the always cheating. Fancy Premier League podcast, I recommend it to anyone and who thinks we're crap. And yeah, and I think it was I think it was Josh on that podcast who's saying really sharp and has a good backstop what so I not good back story pretty pretty traumatic backstory and he's come through some tough times and and I think last season at one point. Yeah. Well, I mean Billy shop is I think he's one of the record goalscorer as across all the lead. I think he's the guy with the most career goals of all the players playing in the moment when you look at his goals, he scored across the league so well, I guess we'll see if he can do it in there in the Premier League Andy. Do you want to talk about Calvert Lewin? Yeah. Sure. So Everton really only have one Striker and there are various. Fucking side. It looks like noisy Kings on his way, which would obviously be a be some competition for him but a nineteen-year-old arriving from the Serie is unlikely to be starting on day one and if kind of carpet Louis knows a young player, he's a quick big strong. He's got everything that you sort of should need to succeed in the Premier League. So if he sort of gets on a good run at the beginning of the Season, then he could could retain that place up front and you know be be evidence First Choice Striker for the whole season, which would be amazing for 6 million said that's my thinking around him. Hopefully it comes off. Yeah, I went with another X Sheffield United player earlier in his career Che Adams who Southampton and spent 15 million on design from Birmingham. Again. This is a bit of a punt but I think he might fit in quite well to their kind of new pressing kind of pasty style of play. He's a guy who I think I played a lot as like a kind of a wide forward and it was only really last season that Birmingham kind of play them up front. And then in that kind of a mid-table team, he scored 20 yards 22 goals, I think so. He might I'm kind of backing him to make an impact at Southampton like that's not right that's talking about it is the gut punch league, right? There's supposed to be something that you're sort of gu using your gut a little bit and having us a feeling about somebody might do something. So I like that pick. And then suddenly just just to round off the other two Matt went with the top scorer in this point point price range last season Glen Murray. You got a hundred and twenty nine points last season. Can he still do it age 36. Well, we'll find out and then went with Danny Ying's things can only get better. So he's just about surviving the injuries. He got 90 Points last season he actually played more than I thought got seven goals. So if he can stay fit another good could shout out there. So yeah, that's the there the there the season Luongo Ponce will be doing our weekly got pain stay and add to them but with each have like a squad of these three players to pick from so each week. We'll choose one of them to be our representative in the gun. Good. We we also need to pick our way to do that for the first week. Right because by the time the next podcast happens, we will have the the next week already done. So we actually have this is the last time we're gonna talk before the start of the season. Yeah, sorry. I should probably I know this is going letting the listeners by the curtain but we're losing man. We are losing that power. The internet is not holding up to International partners and but I think we've still got three of us on the line. So yeah, have we do you think we've covered the gut punch Gary? Yes. That's the that's the well that's the the season long. Done. That's the we doing fix the previews this might turn into a bumper bumper addition. If we do our is there a special sneak extra material plan? But I don't know what your plans are Duncan. My plans are I think preseason is preseason. You know, you've you just put in the minutes. It's all about Fitness. It's not about Nat sharpness know it is about Matt sharpness is about getting that sharpness. I think we now Matt Sharp Although we've lost Matt. Yeah, man that's needs to work on his Fitness because he's not lasted two full length. Yeah, so we're not going to do a fixture preview for game week one this one. I think it's much more useful to talk about the season look at the big picture and then we'll jump back into the game by game previews as the season rolls on and if you haven't listened to us before we're weekly podcast normally. He's out Sunday night Monday morning you Kate. I'm not sure what time that is. What times that in states where you are in some foam and the middle of the night on Sunday. Okay and Gary and in Santiago. Are you moving to I'm guessing you don't know what time it is. It'll be about halfway between the u.s. And the and London site be just slightly earlier on the Monday. I think I think I like that you're moving now to Chile you were previously in. Anna previously to that in Korea. So it's keeping the international flavor of the Fanatics up its impressive work. It's mainly based around have been much easier to watch football in Chile and in China than the matches the Champions League kicks off in the middle of the night. Chili's got a nice kind of three our three hours behind so so the the Champions League will be nicely in the evening and the Premier League games on like the three o'clock kickoff will be at 12 on a I so I thought that was my main from almost nothing to do with the job or the culture. It was mainly about just just being able to follow the football. Nice. Well, yeah dedication and we respect that here at the Fanatics. And unless you guys have anything more to shout out and then I'll wrap things up. If you don't follow us already on Twitter. We're at FB L FF Fanatics. 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Welcome to the Ultimate Fantasy podcast. You'll One Stop Shop for all things fantasy. Yeah, well.Come back after game week survive on I'm Alpha your host alongside me is a man who's just booked a two-week trip to Florida for a retro family holiday the man with the stats and the beard is Nathan Taylor. Hello, Nathan. Hey, may hey looking forward to that. Yeah. Yeah, it's not just book though. It's been a while in the pipeline. Oh, you just told me. Yeah, exactly. Okay cool back up to the first team after his recent transfers. Stepping in for the secret journalist is The Delectable and somewhat shell-shocked Spurs fan. Its top marks. AKA will welcome back. Will thank you Alfie. How are you? And we're at how are you mate? I'm very I was there last night and it wasn't it was rather traumatic experience. Okay, so we will we will talk about this later in this show. But right we're going to do right now is talk about what is coming up on Today's Show part 1 We have the full game week 7 You looking at po draft and contracts and I'll be asking the boys here are quiz question part to a full debut for FPL success story met Kearney who will be using his experience of top-level finishes to answer your questions in tactics truck. I'll also be on the phone to Tommy Gunn who insists. He's sticking with his Burnley core part 3, we'll look ahead to game we came up with some insight from FPL content creator FBI and for a and of course we ring the changes to our podcast FPL Team part for its the clean sheet for cast plus the answer to our quiz question. And if you're lucky a b recommendation before we do our game week seven round up here is the quiz questions. Alan Shearer is one of five gallons to have managed in the Premier League. Can you name the other four? Okay, right. Okay. I know I know two of the top of my head. All right, exactly. You can think of to very quickly Connie. Yeah. Anyway, I thought I'd start the show with some nice good Allen and on. Okay, right. There's do our game week seven around up. Yes, indeedy. Let's start singing from the same song sheet as they Banger and massive score line to the tune of 5-nil against Newcastle Miller Voyage scores his 1 million pronounces the eagle share the canaries who's boss Spurs do their best to win but no wind but then do win but then do win walls of our Watford in the relegation 6.0 City we In shock for with the hoping they will soon be king of the best of the rest battles, but we're Sam slow them down with a draw and it but With a Little Help from Henderson. No, no that one sneaker win passive rather sturdy shopping night Inside Man United and Arsenal prove that they are rubbish and should be put in the bin and we'll I never Chelsea as you keep a clean sheet at home against Brian with Hudson and boy coming on and making an assist of himself. Five clean season for you at 5 Liverpool. Chelsea Palace wolves Lester sis King was Kevin De bruyne her with to assisting the fenders Ika Evans Coleman Peters Loughton lutein. Lotin lotin brother's name is Angela Burr Gold Kings, Jamie vardy with two girls. Groan Defenders meet with Carlo Dodd Seacrest. Well own goals young man jumper and red cards that Bloody back when it REI. This week's top performing players across FBI and draft is dirty Ricardo VAR D. Just kicking and fan tracks. Well, that's the same but Mara is the top layer there Marius some stats for you. Now start all eagerness. OSHA is now officially worse than Jose Mourinho many not have one just 49 points in their 28 Premier League games under ogs that's to fewer than they did in the final 2800. That Joe's a oh another stat for you. Let's just win against Newcastle was the biggest margin of victory in a top-flight games since 1987 and Jamie vardy now has 14 goals in 17 appearances under Brendan Rodgers. Wow, another stat because I Osaka is the youngest player to ever start in a Premier League match between man United's and our snow. It was quite good one in ninth that sucker. Yeah it was Good. He really showed up Pepe. I think Pepe is not looking great as a Pepe. I think he could be doing that sort of pretend to be George. Where's cousin thing 72 million pounds worth of yeah. Doesn't this week's top performing players in full for fpo and draft. We got the goalkeepers white aperture shio. Defenders Daugherty Ricardo Evans Midfield 11-point, Georgina leads a whole host of ten pointers and forwards VAR D. Josh King ings and P4. Tracks Nathan goalkeepers are the same in defenses is saying but vvd makes an appearance Midfield Mara's actually leads chill jinyo with Anderson and indeed. He also sneaking in there and then the forwards VAR D is closely challenged by Raheem Sterling. Hmm. It's not massive differences in okay, right for players of the past five weeks is the average points not including bonus points gray arrow is still the most informed player closely followed by KD Ian salla other that is no real big surprises. You can work out those for yourself things. We learn from game weeks 7 gentlemen. I think you mentioned it before Nathan Nicholas Pepe. Mmm-hmm interesting game. So it's 2 million zero chances created one shot on target get one fell committed. There's a positive not one successful take on 77% pass accuracy. That is not good. Is it Nate? No kind of he looks a bit like a competition when he reminds me of when I used to play Pub football used to get this kid that would turn up and he'd be really quick like looked like he could be a decent player, but would insist in playing in his tracksuit bottoms. Is that kind of player track sebum player and will mean I'm sure you want to talk about something else. But hey, that's talk about Spurs and that seven wonderful. It against me unit. You were there. I mean, it feels embarrassing to say it was 7 to Alpha dot 712 feel like I-71 it felt like a hammer in. Yeah. It was I left at five two five two nine. Obviously. I mean my five to it was a Scott just am really formulated my thoughts and it's all a bit of raw. I've actually block somebody on Twitter because they started trolling me and I was like, I'm not having this but Serge gnabry was pretty tasty wasn't he? Nathan another one vanga deemed not good enough. Yeah, he's one of the whole host of players at the moment that were under Arsenal. You've got better sir AC Milan at the moment. We've got a few others donyell melon at PSV as well or performing well in the let go in the latter days of vanger but gonna be standing out to be fair. He couldn't even get in the West Brom team when he's on loan there on the pool are so he's obviously has turned around his game. He looked absolutely deadly. Last night he has look like that for Germany last few games as well. Yeah, I think that's what happens when you go and play under a proper coach, isn't it? Yeah. Ouch meow. It's awesome meal type of Ralphie. Yeah. So we'll what is the big issue with Spurs at the moment there was talking did you see this thing go on the internet about Erickson of the tongue having dingdong because for tongue and wanted to dingdong his wife and stuff that even though he's not married if you heard about that. I don't pay attention to those two Twitter rumors. And now I just look I think the team as I said started really well, we would we were cutting through buying yesterday for the first 25 minutes. Then we kind of run out a bit of steam but Ali was playing. Well, you know and down below was playing while since zoko was playing passes that were like, I don't think he could play at came played lovely pass out wise our ears get involved. We didn't take our chances Saint had more than he scored once but he could have scored twice before that and Don Blake could have scored we used to when we were good. We used to really press and overwhelm a team and we're not doing that at that moment. What kind of having a little bit of a good period not overwhelming them? They then were playing good quality teams, obviously, you know buying them turn up and score a couple of goals and then it's difficult for us and then we kind of start the second half on the back foot chase in the game and seven to obviously goals changed matches. So when you've got when you're down chasing the game Who thrown on more attack Plays and take them off defensive players in the whole team is pushing up the pitch trying to get a goal. Obviously leave yourself open for X Arsenal winners to come on and score in the ferris in amount of goals. So we'll is there a very briefly is this is this a long-term problem was it's just a freak result. Well, we won't be playing Bayern Munich every week. So I think the result is slightly a freak results, but there is an underlying problem. There is I think partially to get into the TV need to get the team working together. He needs to get everyone fit on the same page playing as a unit playing as a unit for 90 minutes, not for 20 minutes here and there so he's got a lot of work to do over the the international break and the coming matches. Yes, indeed Nathan again. I think it's known that I've got soft spot for Spurs as well. And I feels like the end of the line for this team at the moment. I think Ali like will mention had some good did some good things in the first 20 minutes or so, but is The Priory was two years ago and I think is struggling to find his proper position because he's not really a number 10. I like him as a number eight and I like him as a striker but he's not really played in either of those positions for a while for Spurs. And then Serge aurier just is walking liability is great fun. Isn't he's great fun. I'll never mind a so we're all selling Spurs players and definitely not buying them then and that's it right there. So have a look at the FPL. Zolt will how did you get it on your FB LT result this week fine above-average. I've got actually not Bank on average 51 points. I had that wonderful Spurs fullback search area in my team who got himself sent off and a minus 2 and this is this follows a game week where he had a goal, you know happens Spurs are the only time you could be tuned up and end up losing to one certain area. A perfectly good goal disallowed because Sons armpit hair was combed the wronged away or small whatever and that was a 14-point swing, you know, it's like suddenly he's gone. We're going to need a lot more got a clean sheet. I've got bonus points coming areas why I've got a goal and then they lose 2-1 to Lester and now we get sent off so I'm not happy about that. So 51 points. I had Abraham up front. He missed three big chances. I'm not happy about that last week agüero ms5. Big chances against Watford. It just feels like I've got the players to do well and it's just not happening for me at the moment. You can put them out on the pitch, but you can't make him play. That's how it works isn't it? So in contrast to your fpr result will our team podcast result we did. All right, we did 67 points last week, but this week we did 69. So I'm going up there like you said, well the average $50 points. Yeah. Cause we had an extra transfer in the bank. We traded out Pookie for Tammy Abraham who was equal points written lose anything there, but our main transfer was trading out. So by us. Thank God for mcginn who repaid our faith by scoring not just once but twice but having one choked off and that right now. Yeah happy days we chose salla as aye captain, but we could have maxed out by selecting Ricardo Pereira of Leicester. Of course. Course that would have been tasty think I did suggest that but I was laughed out the door our defensive schmeichel Ricardo Robertson Trent and a cave got an assist for form one again contributing 36 points are tiny and there's a tasty Defiance not sure but can we Kate though? Mmm. We've risen from eight hundred and twelve thousand five hundred thirty. Nine to you ready for this nay. Yeah. I'm ready. 318,000 513 add you like them apples taste. The tasty apples we discussing our change of again. We came part 3, of course, right the high scoring Affair manager for gaming 7. Yeah. Congratulations venomous Brian a Greyjoy of Ghana whose team vipers sting amassed a fantastic a hundred eighteen points. Call me a cynic but venomous Broiler Greyjoy sounds like a made-up name to me perhaps an algorithm do those things exist. Maybe maybe he's a Russian. Option bot and I shouldn't bar or just a massive Game of Thrones fan he or she and mass those points by the way by having diet e VAR d k DB and captaining Harry Kane and Patricia and goal. Now he or she is up to a whopping six million six hundred forty five thousand seven and forty eight. I think very much a one-off. Maybe just a one-off. Yeah the top FBI manager overall. Congratulations again to Egypt's finest. Matt hat sure cave while Legend yes, four remaining to the table after squeezing out 41 points this week. So I'm not the greatest below average now only sitting Four Points clear with the type of 530 with who's hot on his heels Nathan another Egyptian guy. No, it's David Crowley of the USA. USA USA. Yeah. All right. I got some team names will you? If everyone Tunes in the wrong time, we're going to come across as the complete didn't podcast a dozen team names for you. Now. Will your like these slam-dunk Van Dyke? So I'm asking about you. I don't get you don't have to enjoy just have to react dunk Van Dyke. I don't get what's it mean. It's amazing to be Slam Dunk the Funk but slam-dunked Van Dyke. I just thought it was so bad. I put it in there. Well done Derek smeath another team. They central heating. Yeah, that's good. All right, Dan Carter another one egg fried rice. No, it's not Premier League. The ironic thing is that Royce in certain parts of the country. That would be correct. Wouldn't it? Yeah, Kathy Walsh. Well done Navy got a name and I've got one from Jack Riley dick and Dom belly. He's yes. Okay. Well good. I like those. I think those become my whole that the become my favorite thing of the whole show. There's names. Hey guys listeners FPL players. If you want to join our league, it's up and running if you just go to our Twitter page ultimate F pods, you'll find the little codes. I'm going to put it to each other but just going to go join join the ranks. Yes. Okay draft fantasy. Now we'll look. I know you played your fantasy as well. But our draft League this week was party to the worst transfer ever made in the history of life. Will do you want to know what this is? I mean, you won't be able to guess right there. Just no tell me play. Okay Rushford, right? Yeah bear in mind. He was injured. This is into team transfer. Yeah, Bashford. for Greenwood Scary, isn't it? Yeah, right. It's basically man is on the receiving end of that. It's a basically manners had rash food manners is top of the league by complete luck. He's in Russia gets injured. So we think so just ship them out and see contacts my mate. You just picked up green words. They have the fries been out the fries because no one wants him because it's a million Strikers better than that, right? And it's goes off swap. Be rash for Greenwood. Has that happened? What a lovely man. This is a nice man. He's not he's a fool. He's a full I tell you never mind. So anyway, that's good certain a that means you're off the hook for bad transferred dealings with your Bernarda silver thing. That's true. But I've done the analysis and bananas silver wouldn't have changed any more results so far. No because you've got an awful sighs. Yeah, and that speaking of that and have you got finally got found out this week. You're And grabs a finally come to an end. Although you did actually put in a decent point to return the Lost fifty four fifty. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't good. I mean actually I did another bad transfer took out why no Adam this week. Oh he did didn't you those points would have got me over the line, but he done anything and you always risk taking them out. And this is how it works. Exactly. I had a pretty decent. Wait didn't I here we go, I want us 176 234 76 yeah. Yes. Thank you Ricardo VAR D Perez Trent. I gambled on Hudson ndoye got an assist and I drafted into pliers just for this game we quiet and you'll Bert collectively got me 14 points Jill Bergman assist those quite lucky, but that was nice wasn't it a but? Yeah, my team is all about the defense. I'm not sure going to be Kate's defense. Friendly, actually, Tommy Gunn who the people might know beat League leader and all-around apparent participant manners to kinda go Rushville away and looking at a table entry enough the team that has Sterling in our league actually is Rock Bottom. Yeah, that's where what a waste of a player. I'm third and Player points as head of the secret journalists and they languishing in ninth. Yeah big changes to come to your team. No, I've given up already know my team's been getting better, but the results just on reflecting it and you like what you've seen in the training field. All right fair enough. I really thought I was going to win this week. I'd looked at it covered my bases got my points and then just see if Luke today then you've got smashed and grabbed. Hmm. Well in terms of your draft leagues are there. Plays on your League's waiver. You're thinking a gambling on all I've had I've got three draft teams at to head to heads and one classic and I had two victories this week and a green arrow my plastic. So I'm very happy with my teams. They're all doing particularly. Well, I had had one album in one team great. He scored had your fantastic Lester fall back at another to so yeah, Happy Days. All right, so the game week 8 head to the fixtures. In our league, it's my turn this week to go against Benny peonies. Barmy Army, which of course includes my name again Erickson and potentially been mende the player. I carry throughout last season would be ironic wouldn't it? Nathan? You're up against Tommy Gun? Yeah another podcaster be another podcast. Are you got a great record I'm to from to in those that are looking to Tommy Gun, of course gambled massively on Pepe and set bios. I'm sure he's happy. He's gambled. Oh dear. Can I just say in my other draft League? Just so people this see that I do know what know about that. I am actually top and what and beep second place this weekend. This so-called other league. There is his top grow cots Northern torture room. Yeah. Is that a friend of yours? Yeah delightful. Well, I've got a Question for you both. Okay. No. No. I have a question for you about about players and transactions in this 14 Team league. Obviously. It's very hard to get players. So one thing I've found myself doing is signing players who are injured in the hope that you know, they're good players and when they come back they'll do well. So like I signed Troy dealy last week for Shane long because Shane Long's just not really playing and I figured I'd rather have an injured dealing so that when he comes back he could do something but what about players like Emerson and stones? And Trust are would you be getting them in now? If you if you can Harvest sorry if you can Harbor the players, it's always worth it. I got Hudson and dying from day one. And another one is obviously right Ruben lost his cheek a lot of these players. I have a lot of credit in the bank so you can trade them just before they come back from injury because people want want to be on that so it's always worth it's always worth getting them in isn't it? Yeah. We've got a player in our league who's got that as a Jay he had a six in trees at one point carrying Bel-Air in holding Tierney and a few others as well. Yeah, he's got Allison mid Liverpool midfielder. What's his name now Decatur every K, but basically but he's basing his whole game plan on having these players and the potential what they can do in the hope. They can trade them off. So it's not bad idea. Do we do it Troy deeney is not speakers speaking of speaking of holding you provide. Did we did did David Seaman ever play in the same team as Rob holding High Why well, it's a great teammate because you can have a team name. Then you can have the Defenders hold him to keep his semen so childish photos, but I like it. I like it fact David sieben, ironically good at keeping clean sheets. All right there. Okay, right. That's the that thank God that's the end of part one. We've drilled on enough. Don't forget you Ted Us Ultimate if pod just to say stuff don't go anywhere part 2 is coming up in part two. We'll be speaking to Tommy Gun be talking of whole bunch of nonsense and very excited to announce. We have fpr veteran Matt Kenny in our tactics track matte finish. With the top 3000 last year and constantly finishing highly and he's here to answer your questions. Don't go anywhere. I've got one Tony gone. Why did the chicken cross the road? It feels awesome to see The Village Idiot. Knock knock who's there the chicken welcome to part two earlier on I caught up with Tommy Gun to briefly discuss a whole bunch of nonsense, including how much draft Gamble and pepe and Sebelius is working out and also that Burnley call. Tommy Gunn, how are you? I'll say how's it going mate you okay? I'm great. I'm on the back of a seventy six point hauler this week showing off, isn't it? I mean, it's it's a bit obscene. But you won again two weeks in a row me I won again two weeks in a row. What was good was the Marez Link up. I was much maligned for picking him because he was actually available on the fries at the end of last season. Remember he was just floating about nobody even wanted him but I think he was like a fifth or sixth round pick and I just thought he will get the odd game and he's just worth having it in your locker. I'm sure enough the burn core of Gone Forever back three, which comprises Loughton me Taco, you know on its day it basically means you've got Circa twenty points there. Then you just need one goal from Midfield and you're probably over the line. That's it this talk about your Midfield because the beginning of the season in our draft you well you can but on Pepe and so bios, but that isn't going to play and I mean it's performance peppe's performance on Monday did left a lot to be desired as it were he was he was awful. I mean it was like watching a course wasn't that I mean he was He just he just dunked the ball about you ran about he just kicked it. Just randomly. I mean, he was awful. He was my first round pick. He was like I could have coffee I could have gone for I think about me I had already gone. I think Dow was down in front of me. My daddy wasn't about me and was there. Oh my God, and I went Pepe first pick because I just I was just so caught up in the excitement of a new plan. I just thought this is the guy so by us I think was nobody was really talking about it. Nobody really like knew anything about him early doors. So I think he was like fifth or sixth round something like that. I just thought I'll have him because I know a little bit about him. He's not really done anything yet that one game where your to assist that weren't really assist. You just took two corners and they happen to sort of scrambling and a goal moving forward with your drafting then is this is the Pepe Cerberus experiment you're going to stick with it or you can look to trade out or just hang on and hope they come good I've had managers. Sniffing around Pepe, so that tells me that other people are as deluded as I am because other people want to be their team obviously, but you know, why do you want it? Why would anybody want pepper at the moment because he is playing very badly, but it's going to be it's got to be something. He's a 75 million pound plates got to do something. He's got to get it's got to be better than this. I think we've got to run a relatively easy fixtures as well coming. I was the easy run of you know, perhaps winnable fixtures and it just needs to be on the pitch and doing stuff. But I've just think stick with it apart from the yield waivers and your transfers, but I'm not because I've been sucked in by other managers too soon in the past and I've lost my good players early doors and then there's no way back from that. So, you know two out of two. We're on a trend we got Bernie playing at home next weekend, you know anything could happen. Let's bring it on right there might have a good game. We will speak to you again soon. Okay, love is that kid? That was Tommy Gun. Of course always a pleasure Nathan you're facing that burn called this week of Tommy Gun. Are you scared? No, I'm good. Take him down. It's quite a jovial chappy won't be next week right now. We're going to go tactics truck and I'm late. Like I said, I'm pleased to announce FPL veteran Matt Kenny AKA bowstring the carp. Joins us matte finished within the top three thousand last year a hundred twenty six the year before that and he always finishes quite high and this lad knows his apples and that's why he's here to answer your question. Welcome to the Ultimate Fantasy podcast Matt Kenny. Hello. Hello, is it Kenny? Okay. Annie said right. Yeah, you can call me Connie Connie if they go under okay a bowstring the carp, of course as people would know you by now. You're an FPL stalwart a bit of a veteran as it were with some top-level finishes and you finished within the three thousand last season. Yeah just around the 3000 Mark last season and about 120 forever around after previous season, so Few years has been good to me. That's very modest first thing you and how's your wife plc's and going thus far terrible some fun great to really bad. But yeah, I think a lot of people are kind of having a bad season this season. It's for kind of very slow to start off. I think have you got the players you want. Yeah. So, um some unhappy with some not so happy with some of our injured actually a lot of a lot of them are injured or suspended up. And so hopefully that takes up over the next of the next couple of weeks as I say that's football. Exactly. Absolutely so talking about man says you've got a question for you from one of our listeners and it's from acts Bry will spawn to seven given Kevin De bruyne will be injured and Bernardo Silver's looking to be suspended. What are the main city Midfield options looking like at the moment? Yeah. It's quite interesting now because obviously Sterling Has kind of gotten his rest recently. So you'd expect sterile and to be quite safe for the moment, especially where Gabrielle Jesus is coming back into the soil that definitely put to grow well under a little bit of risk at the moment, but I think most interest and Lee Riyad mahrez could be quite a good option now going forward, you know, I've got an international break coming up. I think bernero silver has the FAA has to has low gamma from for Just to kind of give his thoughts to the FAA, you know, whether he himself guilty or not. So decision may be made over the international break and I think we'll know more about how safe Mara's going to be when we find out if barnardo's going to be banned enough, but I mean we've seen burn Mara's playing the last few weeks and he's been you know delivering quite well when he's been staring, you know, he's got a good free kick obviously from his time at last I when he was a lot cheaper than he is now he was delivering really Be well, so I think the key for him is start and regularly and if we're going to see that, you know, he could be a really really good option. So does this mean managers should be shipping out Bernardo silver then? Yeah, it's hard to know. I mean, I think if you've got them at this stage, you might get the weekend of them against wolves. If you've got cash in the bank, if you're looking at not enough to have a bit of money set aside you may be able to jump to to someone like tomorrow's or maybe even two davits over there. We know he's probably Going to play two games a week. But again when he starts he he can be quite a good FPL are said to have so stepping away from the big team the big hitters men City there any sort of players that have PR managers should be really looking at for this coming week. Well, I think I think can't well, you know, he's been quiet enough the last couple of game weeks, but I do think his underlying stats have been quite decent. I know knowledge as a team, they'll perform very well when they're playing Pain away, but he's at home against Villa this week and you know, we kind of expect him under loads of Pookie to maybe you know converter Statin two points this week. I know a few people are kind of getting impatient with them now. Yeah Cantwell has is one that I still think has a lot of value don't know it's train is not set yet. Is it? All right. That's about it then Matt. Thank you so much for joining us and sharing your thoughts with us, and we hope you have PL gameweek picks up and we'll speak to you again soon. Thank you very much. Thanks very much. Ten teacher tattoos truck. I got a journey is full a tactic to brings me luck in your son, but you don't hear me take his truck. There we go. That was Matt Kenny. Okay at bolstering the car put his Twitter linked in our in our podcast blurb so you can go and look at him and stuff. I don't know or just say hi. That's the end of part 2. We don't go anywhere because in part 3 we have the upcoming game week fixtures. We have appealed content creator of build them for will be picking out FPL team. And yeah, that's just exciting this welcome to part 3 then there's something like the upcoming game week fixtures game week 8 Saturday the 5th of October where brightening into Tottenham in the early kick-off. Oh dear Burly against Everton and Liverpool against Lester Norwich against Aston Villa Watford against Sheffield United West. I'm against Crystal Palace in the evening kick off. And on Sunday. The 6th of October for fixtures are strong against born with Man City against wolves Southampton against Chelsea and wow Newcastle vs. Man United Phipps. Is that catch your eyes Brian again Spurs, obviously, which we Discussed in the last 4 meetings Spurs have won three of those Nathan. Yeah, the one that catches my eyes Newcastle Vs. Manchester United Newcastle obviously got absolutely shellacked by Lester last week and look pretty bismal. But arguably United looks just as terrible at the moment as well that game on Monday was not a classic are so many I'd I think both take the best way to describe I think both Both teams are assembled a broken chair. You can put that image in your head. Yeah, I think Arsenal looked quite solid in that game which concern the defense spin an Abomination or season shows you just how kind of Toothless United look the season and just kind of echo on that. So you mentioned obviously socials recognized last 28 games being worse than Josie's last 28 games just to kind of look at that a bit more. They've only scored more than one goal in three of their last 21 games. This is man united we're talkin about and their Hall of nine points from the opening. Seven League games is the lowest they've ever had at this stage in the Premier League for a video. So yeah, I think I predicted that social get sacked in October in the previews. And yeah, I think I did November tonight. Yeah, so before Christmas and I don't think this weekend's going to help either. I actually fancy Newcastle to sneak a result who leave Legally is going out my limb, but they're going to need to be tighter than what they were at lest. I can see them going back to the Albany as way of five at the back free hard to beat midfielders in Midfield and just grinding out something. They might not get a win but I can't see United winning a saint James's the Newcastle need a response. Certainly after that defeat to Leicester speaking of Leicester. Liverpool vs list normally tight Affairs will live ball coming up on top, although Though Lester have not yet faced off against nipple as a Brendan Rodgers side body has scored seven goals in eight appearances against Liverpool. That's interesting. Sulla has three goals and four appearances against Leicester and money to into and Nathan. There's a player coming back. Yeah. He might not make this weekend, but it definitely looks like a weed back by the international break that Alison is apparently returning to full training this week, which is good news for me because he's in my drop Squad now. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it makes a massive difference. It's live forever all but yeah, it's good for you. Isn't it? Well any fixtures that caught your eye well, I'm very excited about the Liverpool a Lester game. I think Lester are playing particularly. Well at the moment and I'm still a little hesitant about the Liverpool defense. They've conceded 11 big chances this season, which means I don't think that because he's a lot of goals, but I think there's definitely opportunity for for Lester to score but the gamer I think there could be loads of goals is ask Anil versus Bournemouth and we've got two teams who just seem to have completely forgotten the art of Defending no team has conceded more shots this season than Arsenal with a hundred and twenty-six and Bournemouth aren't far behind with a hundred and eighteen. So this could be eight nine this match with the four words. They've got we look in the top four words cattle with some is third in the expected goals charts. So he's got 3.47 only a Hem and agüero are ahead of him. There's going to be goals. It's going to be exciting and always traditionally is goals, isn't it? Yeah, the this looks like it's going to have goals and just in terms of the FPL form league as well free of the top six players are in this fixture. So they are Josh King Callum Wilson and Obama Yang, the only other three players in the top six are all men. See players. Wow, exciting stuff other fixtures that caught my eye you got Bernie versus Burton the last time these teams faced off at Turf Moor in December Everton spank the clarets 501 Luca Dean scored two goals Sikhism was on the scoresheet also and find enough. He hasn't scored yet this season. So could this be the week? I mean seven games are gone. Hmm. I know someone was fishing around for sigurdsson and the draft leg because he's got a scar. Let's go see the other fixture actually quite interesting Norwich versus Villa first my thoughts were Well, Villa look like a stronger cyber and Norwich won both games to one and the jumpship last season. So I expect you know, I think they're going to be goals in this one and it could favor Norwich Norwich has injury list is absolutely horrific at the moment is bad, isn't it? But we'll see Pookie to the rescue yet nor expresses. Aston Villa is a really interesting game. I think it's a last Last Chance Saloon. I feel slightly for Pookie is still strange to say that already. He but he is he's bad twice in a row as has told count. Well and the home matches our we're not it should be performing well, and we need to see something from Pookie. We need to see some encouraging signs of those of those early season games and Aston Villa does present an opportunity. Definitely Villa also this season they've dropped eight points from winning positions so far and they've been ahead by twice in two games as well. So was against Arsenal they weren't head twice and Student win and Burnley their head twice and didn't win as well. So then it really need to sort out if they turned those into wins than they would be in the top half. They're actually in the bottom three now, I think both teams fancy this time that's going to be proper ding dong and I would talk about a sorry. I'm going to bust in on you there Alfie again, but we were talking before about our son and born with both having conceded a lot of shots. Well, the two teams that are split them in second and third most considered shots are nor it's an Aston Villa who both considered a hundred and Twenty-One shots each. Taste of goals goals goals goals goals goals good, maybe I might watch that through my legal stream the F power content creator now for you people we're going to listen to very briefly the FBI and infra who has the trending transfers. In terms the goalkeepers FPL manager seemed to be turned into the Sheffield United goalkeeper with over 14,000 managers already having transferred Henderson in ahead of game week 8 with the news of Fabian skis injury and the possibility that the West Ham goalkeeper might be out for up to three weeks over 21,000 of you have already shifted away from The Joint higher scoring goalkeeper in FPL with 32 points. In defense, there are three trendiest players already forming this week. They are lundstrom to Maury and Cresswell lundstrom is leading the trend so far the time of recording this with over 53,000 of you getting him in already. It's the likes of Oreo who got a red card in game week seven and so as a result is now suspended diinya and 1 / Sakura who are losing out in FPL managers teams in Midfield. There are two players battling it out to become the trendiest me. Fielder to have ahead of game week eight in the brainer and mount both having been brought in by over 18 and thousand of you so far the time of recording this surprisingly, it's solid and Sterling who are getting moved on for these players with over 45,000 of you selling. Salla on upfront despite Tammy's blank last week is still the trendiest Striker transferred this week with 66 plus thousand of you already getting the Chelsea man in however, there are two new. Is fighting their way back into managers teams in Wilson and King the to Bournemouth men have had over 35,000 transfers in ahead of game week 8 with Wilson just edging ahead of King it spooky who is making way this game week this biting being at home to Aston Villa. That was of course FBI on the infra. If you want to hear more from her you can go to YouTube page. You can select the link in our podcast blurb in the episode blurb. You just click and go great. So pick an RFP our team our team Sheet reads schmeichel Trent Robinson Ricardo. Okay, Sterling solo que debe mcginn iron Tammy and the bench is dead donkey killing Greenwoods. We have no point six million to spend. And we were discussing that as possible to try it out. I think AK4 either lundstrom 4.4 or ottoman D or hold the transfer we've decided Nathan to go for bit of a gamble. We're going to take bringing Lindstrom Lindstrom or course every night away to watford's and what you're saying to me off mic think about lundstrom the parody and he started four games for Sheffield United in their promotion season our sins. He's really is Bo out from the blue, but apparently Wilder at the start of the Season said to Lindstrom that you're going to play this year, even though you weren't reading the team so brilliant. Yeah, it's caught everyone by surprise. Will you like Lindstrom don't you I do. What is that wonderful thing in FPL of he plays out of position. So he's down as a Defender FPL, but he's playing in Midfield. So it has more chances to get goals and assists but he also picks up clean sheet points should shape we try to keep a clean sheet and he's priced incredibly low. For the reasons Nathan's just said he didn't play much. He's before million. He started the season at 4 million and FPL is really about value. You've got to make your team value for money get the players who are under priced. That's how you do well in FPL and he is a player who even at 4.4 is underpriced brilliant and also by getting them such a cheap price. That means a puts our transfer Kitty up which means we should be able to transfer Jordan. Are you? Yeah at some point for an upgrade. He's done is two goals for this year. Susan he's done now, isn't he? So that's the transfer done. Now. The only question is are captaincy. Obviously Caleb. He's like to be out. Salla. I mean salad is always an option. Of course, it's always seems the option. He has scored got good scoring record against Lester. Yeah, it does. Yeah. The other option is Sterling, but then will you were saying about KD be going out that could affect Sterling a little bit. Well, just ke TB spoon such tremendous form this season. Nine assists already. He's supplying and creating so many chances. How is that going to impact the rest of the city attack? Yeah could go stodgy. Couldn't it right now for what we going with I've I take that on board, but I think Sterling's the best option other than maybe Tammy Abraham against Southampton the right? Okay, so we're going to go for the double gamble. It's like a reverse gamble. There you go. So that's our FPL team and that's the end of part 3 but coming up in part for with the answer to our question. Question the clean sheet forecasts and notable players, so don't go anywhere. Welcome to part 4 by now. We do the quiz question. So I asked Alan Shearer is one of five Islands to have managed in the Premier League. Can you name the other four? Who wants go for Nathan? Who wants to go first Nathan? I'll go to obvious ones Alan curbishley. Yeah, Alan pardew. Yep. Alan Ball, yep, one more thing. I have to get all these could be clean sweep. We might have a chance drink it will it chance? Yeah, give him a chance literally. All right, I'll give you a call. Oh, I know the answer to this bucket full of chance. You guys are so kind making me suffer here. I can't think of another Alan. Well don't you know Nathan so he's certainly showed a lot of Desire. Sure. Nobody said that every Salen Alan Shearer is one of five out of so many of the Premier. Sorry, man. That's all right. No, I'll give you a clue Crystal Palace. And you had Alan party Nathan's got it. Nathan's got it going. Hey, this is Alan Clark. No, he's the actor. I can see is his surname as two Strikers have played before one of them still comment a palace or just in general just in general one of them play for the Smith. Yeah, whoa, nice and easy nice and easy, especially when Nathan decided to go back and sheer. But yeah, I would suggest that maybe Be an allen is not always the key to success enough of that right clean seat forecasts. Yes West Ham versus Palace as 13 goals and last four matches between these two and Nathan verbanski as an injury worries, isn't he? Yeah, hip injury early reports seems just he could be out for up to two months at the moment, which is a big blow to Fantasy managers have gotten in the team. Yeah. Yeah. You like me Newcastle money like that. We discussed earlier Newcastle lost two notes in James's in January, but they're tough tackling Isaac Hayden is suspended Arsenal vs Bournemouth as will said lots of goals goals goals goals 5-1 to ask about the Emirates in February and all though. They were on the losing side most times born with have scored four goals in the last three matchups against the Gunners City versus wolves cities bankroll. Three-nil in this picture last time rounds and Southampton against Chelsea to them traditionally don't like scoring against Chelsea. But then again, there's also question marks about Chelsea's defense this season and they did just keep a clean sheet, which I predicted by the way. Thank you very much. Let's do the predictions this week. I've only got three. I've only got three down. There was another one but then I changed my mind I think. Man City and I want to go for a meal between Sheffield United in Watford and that's it Nathan but Burnley Sheffield United Manchester City and then Newcastle United. He's okay will Burnley Manchester City. Manchester United. Oh, I can load Lolo week for clean sheets. We all think right. Look at those fixtures. Yeah, so notable players Nathan you like Newcastle Flyers this week. Yeah. Just I'm going to keep going on about Newcastle this week the Defenders. I think you're the cells for me would be the one that I'd pick out. Well, maybe Headlands finally back from injury as well. Some potentially could get some assistance as But I can't see Newcastle get any goes. I actually think this might be until now. Okay. Well, I'm gonna offer some balance now for for draft managers. If you're playing a with tackle and deception bonus is a plan I drafted in actually was I noticed came out of the gold Network Aston Villa midfielder marvelous and the camber right name. First of all 19 tackles interceptions the last three games. So if you're doing bonuses like that, how could be good another one along those lines? Keep your eye maybe Sean longstaff? Go along with the Nathans Newcastle thread sixth a total tackles interceptions the thrashing by Lester and being home against, you know, it could be well up for it as they say will Strikers you you always got your EIN Strikers. I do indeed. I've got another members table and created on Fantasy Football Scout, which gives me the top attacking players the three players. I recommend this week our Sergio Aguero surprise surprise Tammy Abraham and Callum Wilson. That was interesting about these players as Sergio Aguero 10 big chances. Now a big chance is according to opt it's a chance that you would expect the player to score 10 big chances for Sergio agüero 9 for Tammy Abraham and eight for caliber Wilson. These players are getting very good quality chances and I expect that to continue in gamergate and for fan tracks got some notable players as given to us by the wonderful fantasy football chaps. Thanks guys, so they got one Defender one with field one forward. It's and that Infamous taking them from their game week eight hot or cold player rankings article currently on find tracks HQ check out. So the Defenders tamori, the midfielder is nor words and that forward is Young malenko. These players are shining on the pan tracks platform at the moment and are relatively low on based on their form. That's that's about it from us. Before we go. We are just going to quickly discuss which beer you should be drinking this weekend, of course at Texas, huh? Them says heading to Hong Kong next week any ideas obviously stay safe with the clamp down on the protesters there, but I was at a big Festival few months back and one of my heart has actually brew from Hong Kong young Master. They're called dual some Styles and I was really impressed with all of them. Good. Well, enjoy that at Texas Hold'em get absolutely smashed drink responsibly, but during responsibly whilst getting smashed. So that's it from us this week. We'll be back after this. The international break around about the 16th of this month many thanks to Nathan. Thank you top marks AKA will thank you very much. Happy elf. Absolutely measure Tommy Gun Matt, Kenny FBI and infra and to the fantasy football chaps. If you need to you can contact us on Ultimate F pod Twitter. Yeah do that in the meantime take care of ourselves and each other enjoy game week 8 enjoy the international break. We'll see. You soon?

Welcome to the Ultimate Fantasy Podcast - your one-stop shop for all things Fantasy. Alfie is very pleased to be joined by Nathan Taylor, Top Marx, Matt Kearney (AKA BowstringTheCarp), FPL Nymfria, and Tommy Gunn as they discuss the gameweek to come. PT1: (00m20s) Intro/Greetings (02m08s) Quiz Question (02m38s) GW7 Roundup (05m52s) Things we Learned (10m44s) FPL Results (16m21s) Draft Results PT2: (24m15s) Tommy Gunn (28m38s) Tactics Truck with Matt Kearney PT3: (34m04s) GW8 Fixtures (40m57s) FPL Nymfria (43m16s) FPL Selection PT4: (46m21s) Quiz Answer (48m05s) Clean Sheet Forecast (49m59s) Notable Players (52m15s) Beer Choice A MonkeyBuns Production Original stings and material by Alfie Evers Get in touch: @UltimateFPod Like and subscribe to the YouTube page of FPL Nymfria for your FPL tips Twitter: @FPLNym For more Fantrax info check out the web page of The Fantasy Football Chaps Twitter: @TheFFChaps Matt Kearney AKA BowstringTheCarp Twitter page: @MattKearney92 Extra music by: Ross Power The Insider Theme by The Insider An Example For by Captive Portal Soma by Teeho x VYVCH Looking for a platform to host your Draft Fantasy Football needs? Listen to ‘Pressure’ by Alfatron6000 - the unofficial official song of Fantasy Football This episode is sponsored by Subject Six -  the new novel by William J Robson Buy yours on Amazon now

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Like you have the option of skipping the intro and if I if I could have skipped this intro every time I tune in to this show I would have done just that it's just I mean, I appreciate the you know, the word put into it is just so long. You know, we were talking earlier. It's like you said what to Game of Thrones intro. It's like as long as some like short episodes of T other TV shows I've seen anyway, whatever they were having a good show. Great show today, not a good one. Yeah, great one and a little bit later on. Well, you know towards the end of the show. I'm really really honored to be having Glenn Jacobs on my favorite Tag Team part. Nothing in sight all my my dearest friends. But first there was just something really special mean. Yeah. There was just something really special about about that the Eric, you know of our relationship on screen you guys want me to take Team of the Year and 19 more than once I think maybe more than once. I don't know. Anyways. Yeah, and we made made some money too. But mainly it was just creatively extremely satisfying. Yeah, but and a few minutes here, we're going to be joined on the phone by somebody. I'm so happy to see come back around the wrestling scene because he helped start a lot of the If that's going on right now when it comes to you know, Super Fan conventions and big events and wrestle cons. And on this Jonna resi was doing it before anyone. Well, actually there we will get into it. But anyways, John as John resi, he popularized all this and and he you know, he had a relationship with Vince Russo, you know, many years ago. They had a radio show together wrestlers Spotlight radio. Yeah, and they anyways we're going to talk about Out that a little bit. I just don't want to get into all them be us with John concern in Benson. 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I've noticed like I just kind of just felt like doing something around here, you know seeing everyone I wanted to come out and see us and in a ton of people came out to the wrestling guy store this Saturday and it was it was great. So I want to thank everyone really means a lot to me and made me feel really good. But anyways, I feel pretty cool about having a superstar in their Christmas picks this year. Right? So I think there was some pretty cool pics. They had some professional photographer and Christmas tree. And anyways, yeah. It was fun. It was great. That's cool. Awesome. So let's go ahead and jump into what was a very impactful episode of being the elite leaving the territory episode 130 sort of answered a lot of questions for us fans. We've sort of been room, you know, we've been talking about the rumors of all Italy wrestling career. Now, you know, we still only know what we know so far, but the Bucks have the bucks on Cody have officially said goodbye to Ring of Honor so they will no longer be being there at all. They said goodbye to that on that episode and And they also showed I guess you can say they performed a skit on there sort of contract dealings with the WWE. And now after this episode we know that they will not be appearing with them after they have expressed. No interest in the company. It was actually a pretty interesting episode to they had a character that was titled H so you can figure out who that was supposed to be they give him a letter at the beginning of the episode and then at the end of the episode we actually find out what Was in that letter and in the letter it said although this was a difficult decision. We watched an episode of Raw and salt what you guys did to the tag team Division. I know in the business the saying goes Never Say Never, but for now, we wish you the best in your future endeavors and according to this is apparently how it really went down between them. I mean, yeah, I'm sure if there's you know, different details and all of that stuff, but this is officially what we know. Okay, and so do we Know anything about the future of Adam Paige Martis curl. So Marty's girl is still within the compass still going to be with Ring of Honor. His contract is not up until April. Yeah. Kenny doesn't have a contract with Ring of Honor but his contract with New Japan is up in January. But and then as for dates when it comes to Kody and the bugs, the only date they have announced is January for for wrestle Kingdom 13. Got you. All right. Well their schedules are free. I tell I can I can totally understand where the Bucks are coming from when it comes to looking at the product WWE and how they treat tag teams. So you can say okay, you can see the deal as they present you with the opportunity and it's what you make of it. But you know, it's up to me for tag teams are a lot of times they can say, oh, don't worry. It's all up to you and how you make that's what you make of it not always. As that's bullshit like they can't yeah. Sorry. I hope I don't I'm not sorry. He don't but whatever. It's it's what comes at history says that tag teams don't get used. Well, yeah every now and again it's happened like but overall as far as using them as the you know, like for instance a Road Warriors Legion of Doom. I mean you are a main event act like a main event act and Yuri We ever saw them in the Main Event WWE show anywhere. So it's just the way that is WWE just the way it is. So I mean it's not you know, they treat the tag-teams well and XT but you know, so, you know understand what they're where they're coming from, you know, so good for the Bucs good for Cody and for wrestling. I think perfect would maybe be to just being in control of their own destiny that they want to be able to choose what they they do and when and who they're in a matchup against that whole idea has really become Cody Rhodes has kind of made that attainable. They don't really have the experience of you know, working in WWE to know the the positives and negatives, you know, first can like Cody does right so so true. Yeah. Well also one of the things that I wanted to add to this was that this is sort of like the peak of their career. This is sort of the right time for this for them to be making sort of a big move. And not only that the fans are really really excited to see what they're going to be doing. I mean they already broke Breyers with all in so I feel like now the bar is set a little higher for them. Yeah. So I just think WWE has shown that there they they use singles wrestlers as a tag team or instead of tag team. Yeah with you and Kane is a perfect example, you guys were both singles wrestlers and then you end up winning best tag team several times because it all worked out same with the bars is Our oh and Sheamus, but an actual tag team bringing in an actual tag team in worried. Like well one of these guys get hurts. They're both out. We can't really use them. So I think that's probably why WWE doesn't push tag team wrestling as much as well when we need it will just fill that void kind of thing. That's right, and they have a completely stacked roster which is about to get especially on Raw and SmackDown which is about to get a little bit more crowded recently. They have confirmed that they are six NXT Stars. Up to the main roster this includes Lars Sullivan, which we already knew in our excited for but also Lacey Evans the former Lady of NXT EC3 Nikki cross who you guys know from former sanity member and heavy machinery. That's Otis dose Civic and Tucker night will all be joining. WWE's main roster soon. Well, so my main I'm just not going to go through that list. I'm just going to tell you a large Sullivan and EC3 are made for the main. Roster absolute more so than then XT which they've been a great there too. But you know, I can just see, you know, I'm obviously large because I mean, he's just freakish like in so many ways but like EC3 is your like I look at him and I look at like a manner is I look at the you know as Mike skills. I mean, he's just he's tailor-made for, you know a good push on the main roster. Hmm. Absolutely and I think you guys will actually We be surprised by Lacey Evans. She's a great promo herself and heavy machinery may have the potential to get lost in sort of what we were just talking about about now, but we will see ya. So, all right. Well, hey, so I think right now do we take a break right now Market are we just bring John and let's just bring John in. All right, let's do it. We're ready. All right. So let's do it. You have an intro for John or no, just just a very little short one. Okay. All right. All right. We Rollin are we ready? All right guys, well joining us now. He is the founder of pro wrestling Spotlight radio, you know me as the host of that show. He also pushed his newsletter back in the day a source of info for all of us, please welcome to the show a guy who as you said earlier kind of started the whole thing over Russell cons and promotions and connecting the fans with the Stars. They love to see please welcome John are ready to make some noise for John. Yeah. Yo What's going on? Hey everybody. I just let everyone know this is the first time I've talked to John resident over 25 years, right? Yeah. I mean I'm a reincarnated dinosaur. That's what happened. I'm still John I was so I mean, I've been so happy when all the sudden I seen your name pop up on my Twitter app and my timeline and yeah just hit brought back somebody it's not I mean we were only around each other for that one weekend. On but it really left a huge impact to me and it was so important in my career man. You are one of the up-and-coming guys at the time and I heard so much about you and all the great things that you were doing at a Minneapolis and the have the opportunity to bring you into week in a Champions who is a pleasure for me. And of course we had the one radio radio visit at scores. Yeah, York City. Without Alex Marquez and Missy Hyatt Jason Harvey. Yep. That was kind of a crazy. Wow, and you have some tragic news during that show and that's right. It was it was surreal. It was too real then. Yeah, that was weird because I I didn't put two and two together like I don't know however many years later when I was filming like a DX video at scores, you know with all the ladies and everything that that was the same spot. We did that in all those years ago. Yeah. It was pretty it was pretty Gentlemen's club days. Yeah, when I was in there with with the radio show doing some remotes in there, but I mean, it's really bizarre for me to even be back and all of this because I left the business and 96 and I didn't I didn't turn back. I just left it changed my name and just got out. I mean I had gotten so burnt out and so disillusioned and and I just it was kind of a it was just kind of and then you know, No, and then slowly, I mean a few years ago Wade Keller asked if I had any of my old radio shows that people ask about me all the time. Everybody thought I was either dead or in witness protection. I got to admit man. I thought you might be dead John. Yeah, that's a lot of people thought you know, and so I gave him permission a put some of these shows up on his VIP site and all of a sudden it kind of like people were really digging the interviews. I did back in the day with like, you know behind the curtains with Ultimate Warrior and all the all the content and all those shows back in the day that no one else was really doing so so that was kind of a re-emergence for me. And then I did a few podcasts. I've got called by cornet a couple times and a few others. Yeah, and it was kind of fun to do it, but it wasn't really until it wasn't really until three weeks ago. My nephew who's a big wrestling fan got a passion for it. Just got out of college 21 years old. Brilliant kid Dominic DiBiase. Yeah, no relation. To Ted he sent me this podcast that Russo did about you know, his his his disagreements with the dirt sheet people and this talked about Origins and how we got started and and then only they just said a bunch of stuff that was really historically inaccurate, uh-huh and and some things need to be clarified. So I reached out and and they were very gracious to bring me on his show and we talked it out we had Gentleman's conversation. It didn't get heated when we talk through our misunderstandings from 27 years ago when I brought him into the business and it was a it was therapeutic for both of us and then I started just Twitter account the same time and it blew up but all those old content that I've been posting. So I'm like this is this is kind of cool. You know, it's really cool John because like I just I was looking to your, you know, all your tweets and and just some some of the pictures and And and and you're bringing like okay you you it's some people are gonna like might not really appreciate this but there's a lady named George and Mark crop spelled and pronounced. Yes GI. We always just called her Georgie Georgie Georgie Georgie. Yeah who passed away in 2010, but she was like from the 60s. She ran Buddy Rogers fan club. Yes Bruno's fan club, and she was kind of like the Chatterbox of wrestling. That was her. That was the name of her wasn't that the name of her little newsletter the wrestling Chatterbox. Mmm-hmm. Yeah, and she was a mentor. Yeah for all of us trying to get into the business and because Iran Freddie blassie fan club back in 1972. Yeah, and she helped me back in the day back all the way back then like get exposure and and give me some publicity and she was always there for everybody and matured. That's the type of stuff that I'm finding in my archives right now John and there's a there's Is a picture of Buddy Rogers and Bruno together that I think she was responsible for making happen, right? Yes, exactly. They you know had legitimate heat with each other all throughout the days, you know from 63 on to present day back in the day at 91. And then when I booked Rogers and Bruno my convention Georgie was able to get them to pose for a picture together, right and that was kind of like holy smokes. I mean, look they're standing next to each other. Other and and then she was able to get a picture of herself with both of them. And ironically I mean that was a photo that was that was buried with her. She you know, they put that in her casket. Well, yeah, what do I mean? It wasn't so tactful but she ran back in the early 60s. Hey, so John went when you did when you were like, okay we talked about and I mentioned that like you were pretty much like in my opinion the person that like all these wrestle con all these things like started with you, but there was actually like wfi a where you remember what you remember that ever. I was I was a member of the wfi a early 70s, but basically with those conventions were there were like these autograph right opportunities. It was really an organization of fans to get together and they had an award ceremony that would give out, you know, the best fan club of the year the best newsletter and the best wrestler and manager Italy. Here, so it was really an organization. That was was very great for those who were inside the business, right? It wasn't and for the fans and for the hardcore fans, but it wasn't it was more of a like, you know, there are meetings and panels and there were no tables for merchandise. I mean all the tables that were set up for the WFA. We're like me when I had my friend velocity fan club. I have it display. I had a display was a display about the fan club and that's basically what those what those displays were but it wasn't until really the week in a Champions that I always wanted to bring the fans in the wrestlers together. I thought it was a time that the timing was right and that there were so many there were so many so many wrestlers and performers that never had the opportunity to meet the fans before so that's why I I started the the week in the Champions to get the fans in the rest of together and get collectors together. environment to you know, just have a really good three-day weekend of just nothing but wrestling in and so John like the thing is as when you started doing that was right around the time that like the curtain fell as far as okay, you know the death of kayfabe or however you want to put yeah, so that was to me the difference flare in 91 because he never had that experience before right and he actually was in the ring when we did the auction and he was like, you know, I really was it was really was very uneasy about this. But now that I've seen what John did and this is this is a lot of fun. I'm enjoying I'm actually enjoying myself and that was kind of like tearing the curtain down getting thrown kayfabe out the window and that's when it really started wrestlers interacting with fans and talking, you know hanging out at the bar with Terry Funk and Buddy Rogers and error. I mean, it was just it was just an amazing opportunity and one of Proudest moments was bringing the original Chic and with Sabu in 93 for his one and only autograph of parents that he ever did and that was to me to this day because he stayed in character. He stayed in character and even my interaction with him what Kevin Sullivan and I was like, you know, I just thought it was kind of suspension of disbelief for me, you know giving Kevin Sullivan the payday to hand over so she can kind of wasted. Me and I just wanted to stay in character. I didn't want to talk to the dude because I didn't want that illusion. Yes, I want you know, sometimes we want to hold onto these images that we have of and yes. Yes. Yeah. I wish that more people would think about things that way not ruin everything for themselves. Yeah. I know and I see the way it's gone and the politics and you know, the the everyone's questioning booking, you know, I'm back in this for one reason. Using and one reason only T shared Nostalgia. Yes with the fans. I mean so many good memories and and Shawn and my archives. I mean I got movies. I shot film Madison Square Garden when I was when I was 12, I got Andre the Giant's first match at the guard mil mascaras his debut. I have you know, Pedro Chief Jay Strongbow Andre the funks. I got I shot Madison Square Garden ringside before we continue One of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors, and today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. 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I produce when I was I wa s promoter and I ran that organization so the content that I have Is I could do this shit for years take it easy out there for years everyday posting stuff, but I want to find a way to bring it to the fans in a way and I'm contemplating. What I'm going to do in 2019 and I haven't made that decision yet. I see there's a market for it. Yes, and I see there's an appetite for the Nostalgia and I'm like, how do I go about entering back into this in a very in a very cool way, you know without having a step without having to step it all the mud. John without having to step in all the mud. Everyone else is stepping in. You know, I want to I want to avoid that much turns. It's quicksand. Yeah, man, I hear you. I was just telling telling the team here when before we came on there they were you know, wondering what you might want to talk about and I was like look, you know, John doesn't want to weigh in and I kind of read to them to tell you know, the DM it was basically the same thing. You just said look I don't want to get in the you know, booking decisions now and who's being used right or wrong like let's just focus on the Nostalgia in the good memories and I love that John. I love that. Yeah, you know what? It was kind of crazy yesterday. I mean Vince Russo and I had another conversation yesterday. Yeah. I know how you know, I know I know, you know, the past is the past for first and foremost, but I mean, he just kind of said, you know what just for nothing bro. I just want to let you know that what you have and what you bring to the table in today's environment is unlike Anybody else has out there you have more history. Inside of you. Yes, then just about anybody alive and alright, that's because I'm freaking old. I mean just 62 I'm going to be 60 toes. So I but I was watching wrestling since I was five years old and and and I kept everything related to wrestling that I've ever had. I mean from like Freddie blassie fangled days to you know to the 90s 1996 when I left the business. Hey, That again jumbo. So what kind of old-school murder? Yeah, like because in the picture you posted of Sean everyone was like look at all those LG ends in the background. Yeah. No, I don't have any of that stuff. Does that stuff? I sold my conventions that was a way for me to monetize, you know, you know that time no I'm talking about the content the videos the film's the photographs that the actual matches. I really promoted some very unique matches around the world from Singapore to South America. Yeah, you know booking booking a show. Oh like featured in The Main Event psychosis and Sabu against Rey Mysterio jr. And Conan and Caracas. I mean that's a match has talked about to the state and no one's ever seen. So I have it. You know, there's a show I did but in conjunction with a Triple-A in ECW in Chicago, that was Terry Funk and turning on perro Aguayo and we caused a riot. I mean no one's ever seen this stuff. So having interest here is plenty of stuff. I have that I think People would really dig saying yeah. Yeah, you need to work something out with high spots Network or get yourself a pivot chair and start posting this and make some money off of that. Yeah. I have no clue in where to start guy. I mean, this is just kind of like the last three weeks has been an eye opener for me and I really don't know where to start. I really I really don't well, I think if I think you've really kind of already started in the right place John honestly, man. Yeah. Yeah building a little bit of a fan base. And the opportunity like my nephew when you heard we you doing Xbox podcast on solely was like Predator so cool. Yeah, and you know why I'm doing this because of him. I mean, he just graduated college the brilliant kid. He loves the business. I want to keep him away from the bad stuff of the business. But if he wants to help me, I mean with a podcaster getting a website started or even you know, II think there's a book in it as well for sure, you know, maybe Can be The Ghostwriter for me but he wants to be in the business. I want to find a way to get him started in his career. So maybe this is a way to do that and and for me to kind of tell my history, but him to get started in a career something. Hey John men looking at the pictures of you now, man, you look great. You look up holy the best I've ever seen like, you know, you look fantastic. I couldn't even move and you know, I'm down to about 270. I mean, I'm still heavy but you know, but I feel great. I mean what I left the business that means the stress just kind of lifted from me and it was such a dark time in my life and the things that I've done after wrestling have been you know, really cool. I've been in the music business in Nashville for 20 years, you know, I discovered, you know, you know, one of the major country stars in the business. They Kelsea ballerini very cool. I mean I work for the record company. I was the vice president there and I found her and brought her and got her signed. Yeah, Kelsey's big star today. And and what I do right now in Nashville as I do artist development, I work with artists that are that are emerging and I raise money for them through their fan bases through a crowdfunding platform, which I developed with a business partner and then we opened doors to this music industry for them. And so I mean that's kind of giving back in a lot of ways and and and that's what I've been doing in the last 20 years. I've been in Nashville working in the record business working in promotions helping artists out marketing artists and I found my Niche man. I love country music when I left wrestling and I started as a radio salesperson on Long Island. What's in New York City and they can hire to open up an office for TV network here in Never look back. I stayed here. I love it here. Nice man. John like to me one of the main reasons besides just you know shine and some light on you for all the people like that tune into the show was for me to just have you come on so I could tell you how grateful I am to you and how much I appreciate you know that weekend. Like I said, it was only one weekend. I was around you and it was huge for me and I'll never forget that John and I really can. Can't wait to see you man down the road somewhere. I look forward to that and I think our paths will cross again. I'm almost positive of that and John Let's to let's give everyone, you know, all your like Social Media stuff. So yeah, basically I just did this three weeks ago and I was able to get my name is at John arresting its Twitter. I mean at John ar e zi Twitter and I started an Instagram account a few days ago. So I mean, that's where you can find me. There's no website up but I'm posting every day and putting some really cool shots up every day. And I all I got to do is dip my hand into a into a into a bin of photos and I come up with gold. Hey, so I'm like so Jonathan, here's the thing somebody somebody listening or something or somebody we know I can definitely get you going in the right direction as far as websites how to hit like what to do with with all the with the treasure chest of stuff that you have and getting it out there and and And doing it in the smartest way, man. So if somebody ahhhhh we have definitely have connections for that and you know, so a lot of people and and I'm sure a lot of people would be dying to help you with it John and I mean, I'm like I said, I appreciate I appreciate the opportunity to come here. And like I said, I'm going to just kind of do it smart. I think I wasn't the best businessman back in the 90s. I really promoted like a fan because I was a fan and I'm still a fan. That's how I promoted it. And I look at the dollars as much as pleasing the the listeners that I was responsible for serving back in the day when I had pro wrestling Spotlight. And and now I just want to do things in a little bit of smarter way if I can then if there is a market for this stuff I want to do it the right way and always and always over deliver to anyone that's going to be associated with anything that I do. That's right. I always give them always give them more than they expected. Yes. Yep. That's a Pat Patterson. That's a Pat Patterson. Gossipy, we'd always like do a little something then to make the people feel like they got something extra. But yeah, well, that's what keeps them coming back. Yep, John. Thank you so much, man. I'm so grateful for everything and I'm grateful for your time today man. Thank you so much. Shawn res everyone. Yeah. Thank you. Before we continue. Here's a question. How did you sleep last night? How did you lady sleep last night? Okay. Yeah. Well, did you spend the night tossing and turning? Yeah. Sleep is important the quality of your sleep affects the quality of your daily life thousand percent. If you're struggling to get a good night sleep you've got to try purple mattress purple mattresses will feel different than anything you've ever experienced because it uses a brand new material developed by an actual rocket scientist an actual rocket scientist. Wow. 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He's opening the Jacobs Pritchard Wrestling Academy the residence of Knox. On his helmet Tennessee call him mayor Glen Jacobs, but you all know him as WWE Superstar Kane, mr. Mayor. Thank you for coming on man. I'm honored to have you done. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, man. Hey Clint. Hey, mr. Mayor. Is it okay if I call you Glenn? I always ask people that said known for a long time. Do you remember the first time you and I'm at? Man, I don't know what to tell you about actually, so okay. It doesn't refresh my memory. I remember watching you on TV. Don't feel bad. It was it dabs Business Park and Tampa, Florida and you were you were at malenko's and yeah that that's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah. I just remember like I just I looked at you and I'm like, oh my God. This guy's going to be a big deal at some point and you know you are. Thanks, man. Yeah, that's you know, that's something we have in common is we both went through the great malenko's Professional Wrestling Academy. That was it was a great experience for me Morris. Malenko Larry Simon who's Dean? Malenko's dad generally goes dad. Just a great guy. You know when I moved down there actually lived with him for like six months. Let me just open this house up and he's just wonderful people. Wonderful people he lived, you know, he lived this is kind of getting a little inside baseball that place he lived at used to be masami's house. Do you know that? No, I didn't actually yeah and Masami we were just talking about Masami earlier because like anyways Masami was this the son-in-law of Karl gotch and he was the referee of UWF in Japan the the submission style promotion over there and it broke off and Glenn you like a lot of Don't realize this about you, but you were trained in submission wrestling and actually went and worked in Japan and pro-wrestling fujiwara takumi right? Sure did that was the neat thing about malenko's is that you had a dean and Larry and some other folks that taught professional wrestling and then you had Karl gotch lives at Tampines good friends with Larry Sullivan. So there was a strong submission. Sundowners to and that's that's what Jody did Joe malenko and I remember being in the ring with Joe and you know Joe's about 200 pounds about 300,000. He just tossed me around like I'm up on a throwing dummy. Yeah, you know fact we got to the point where I learned I learned how to take like, you know good wrestling takedown because I would do is he would throw me I would just go with it. Hey Shamrock down there at the time now I was there and it would have 92 or 1993. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was there gosh, I can't remember. I can't remember who all was there when when I was there but I said it was it was really good time. He sowed some when when when you left Tampa. Did you go from there? Right right to Knoxville now, I went to Puerto Rico. Actually, I went work for Carlos for about nine months. And I also did intermittently I was going in Japan before that, you know. Let's go to Japan like oh gosh once a month and then I think I went back home for a little while back to st. Louis. Yeah, and you know just worked a little bit with some Independence there and then went back down to Tampa and then ended up going working for Carlos for about nine months. Then I end up going to work for Autobahn in Germany just a month then right after that when I went to work for cornet in Knoxville, they so how did that how did that happen like that? Cornet thing was that because they'd seen you and you know in Puerto Rico or it was Dutch mantell. Yeah, that's his been one of those people that I really owe a lot to prove and I met at an independent show some place man and Illinois, Indiana and he took my name and number and all that and then he got the book in Puerto Rico. Yeah, and that's his tremendous. I mean he really sees a to you. This is psychology of yeah territory and I lived with Dodge and said he helped me out a lot and towards the end of my run there. He got me hooked up with cornet and basically got me a job in Smoke him out. Yeah, and I remember like for people that aren't familiar with Smoky Mountain you had this character it was it was some it had kind of a Jason look to it, but it was all day Unabomber Yuna bomb. Yeah. Yeah the name was you know Bonkers cornet. Just thought that was a cool name. Well, you know, and and basically it was it was it was Someone look like Lord humongous little bit from from Memphis. It had a hockey mask like you're saying like sort of Jason look, but then I would take the mask off to wrestle and I talked I talk a little bit. I had a house. That was my attacking partner cell did most of the talking but every once in a while, I'd say something and that was tremendous experience and I got to work with hurricane Robert working for more than Robert Gibbs. Yeah girl Express and Tracy smothers and Tony Anthony and ran off. I'm showing is all these just really really cornet had some of the best talent, you know going and I got to get out there and and be part of all that so that was really tremendous learning experience. Yeah, man, there was like Sullivan was there I see like even like Paul Orndorff came through right like yeah. Yeah, they weren't there when I was there. But even when I was there man Sean came down so Michael came down to the shop Undertaker did a couple shots, but he lands. Always there. Oh gosh who all else named just you know, Barn came over and worked a little bit not when I was there, but I know he did some shots alawlor did some hey how about this guy? A lot of people don't know this is but he was really good and and he and I he and I actually live together at Phyllis Lee's house in our startup. Malenko's Bobby Blaze. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bobby was Bobby trivia was the last smoking. Mountain wrestling champion, was it hard? Go ahead. Was it hard to change your style because you're talking about wrestling in Mexico Smoky Mountain Japan. Those are all very different styles of wrestling especially for well they are but I was Puerto Rico not matter because only you know, that that would have been a big adjustment not Japan was completely different in Japan with mission style wrestling. So it was completely different I think part of the and at Gilbert told me this that the key to being successful was the ability, you know to modify and be able to do anything from you know, like very serious and Technical wrestling to the comedy stuff. Yeah, you know that that was the great thing about, you know, we all talk about the territories and how they're all gone away now and you know, I think that's one of the things that's really for people that are coming up into the business nowadays is you Don't get like that huge variety used to get several different style. Every territory had a different style than the others. You know now it's just the nature of the thing you are exposed to that on an IMF and I basis like you were before. Yeah, like I know like Memphis and and Puerto Rico had similar Styles like in that like you would go out there and walk and talk. A lot more right like it wasn't like, okay, for instance. Like if you were working in Memphis and you were on the Nashville show like the heels would dress on the other side of the building like you couldn't even talk to him unless you use that gift a walkie-talkie or something, you know, so yeah the first show I ever did for Lawler, you know, that that's how it was who's like in Canada Missouri and I've never even met law or anything like that and they just booked me on the show and the thing was though. I just started I just broke in And Frank Morel who's the referee in a comes over to me? And he's like, well, this is what Jerry wants to do and I didn't speak professional wrestling. I didn't even know what he was talking about crying. It's like, okay, but yeah and Memphis and Puerto Rico were both, you know a lot more brawling and that kind of stuff. Like I said, you know, you would he wouldn't even get that they were different locker rooms and the whole deal so, you know, he had other plans. Is that were less so and probably more than out, you know, probably prime or technically base. Yeah. Hey glad when you went to when you came up and he started doing the Isaac yankem thing for for a minute like we used to we still do it Smoky Mountain at the same time. No. No, I I signed with WWE. About April of 1990. Yeah, but I was put on a different developmental contract a version of it back then basically that was just the time the out so I couldn't go to like WCW sure, you know, then then I came up August 95 but I left Smoky Mountain wrestling a week or two before that night. But I all right now the vignettes for the Isaac yankem deal, you know, I was doing those I'll still work the same looking at home. Hey, so do you like what are how do you feel about? That like because you know, they got people going, you know, the whole the whole idea of the you know, just just just don't the death of wrestling dentist thing. Like, you know came up at a time where really the WWE was shifting philosophy and we were going from a purely PG product and you know getting into much more edgy and the Attitude Era was still a couple years away, but you know, we're still Still had I was one of the last of kind of over-the-top characters. You have like me and then afterwards you had TJ Hopper dukedom, you know, just that sort of thing and I caught the end of it and I just frankly I thought I never got into the character. I always make the pain that I couldn't sink my teeth into it. It was it wasn't me. And I couldn't make it work plus. I mean, I was still pretty green at that point. I was still trying to figure out my way around through this whole thing and you know here I wasn't WWE and I think think a lot of people end up in the situation. I mean, I'm in the ring with these guys that I've watched on TV. Yeah. Oh gosh, what am I supposed to do? And you can't have that attitude and we have to have the attitude of I belong here and I didn't have it at that point. It was not certainly not my favorite character, but now they've made Now they've made a wrestling figure out of it. So I have to like it and you know, they could they remind me of that now, but that's okay. Hey, I think it's good to embrace the things that we did that maybe we look back on and chuckle about or you know, you know that I mean it wasn't ideal but we do the best we can with it, which is exactly what you did. Yeah, and the thing was if they're never there hadn't been Isaac yankem there never been a cane. But yeah, so it's just all part of it and you know, I have some people think The greatest thing ever to you know, so it is just a matter of accepting it and just saying yeah for me it's you know, I'm just you know, I'm I always preferred like the Road Warriors my favorite tag team and he to you know, I heard that the rough and tough stuff as compared to the more entertaining stuff as well. So it was probably a personal preference and on my part. So hey, man, and I got it. I just got it gloss over this at least I know it wasn't. Ideal either but the fake diesel thing man. Yeah, I actually like that more. Yeah, I thought I was going like it was honestly like if they were going to find anyone at all to do that like that would have been you. Yeah. And again it was one of those deals that the storyline really just didn't evolve like yeah, it had been originally conceived and that happens. You know it sure I'm times. Of course, you know, the I will get mad because I was told this was going to happen and it's organic product right and things just happen and they evolve and it just didn't you know, it just didn't work the way because you know, conceptually it sounded pretty cool. Yeah, they just didn't, you know take off that way and of course, you know, I don't think the audience really ever got behind it. But again for me it got me more experience because I was much more elegant. I was determined to make that succeed and whereas if the Isaac yankem character a lot of you know, a lot of fact that it Didn't you know succeed like I would have wanted it to was due to me, you know with with the fake diesel character was just the fact that you know, it was probably just never meant to be right but I felt that I had done my part to make it successful. I could have made it for sure. Absolutely and you know what? I'm not sure if you're familiar with this but you know, Kevin's got love that whole thing because they got a huge raise because of it, you know about that. No, I didn't get any of it. No, it'll be nice. Well, when when when when WCW offices hurt her twin that Diesel and razor we're going to be on on Raw. They thought that Kevin and Scott said f it and just decided to go back there and at the car and so they just said how much money do you want? Here's half a million dollars more however much ridiculous raise. It was like that's a true. Toward it. And we wonder why WCW and out of here. We talked about being the fake diesel. Luke Gallows was the fake Kane. How close was he to becoming the third brother of Destruction? Not very good. So that was another thing that you know, it sounded really good conceptually and just didn't work and you know Luke of course has tremendous excellent performer. And yeah, just tremendous performer and is one of the things that look man because I was really hoping that that would have worked for him. I mean there was going to be it wasn't like it's gonna be a long term deal. Anyway, you know, it's just a storyline driven character, you know, but nevertheless, you know, it would have been nice if that it had turned out a little bit better, but it didn't be the outfit and the wig just didn't cut it. Can you talk about like because that wasn't there yet, but I saw that I saw the debut of Cain and that cage. I can't remember what pay-per-view it was Helena sell. Yeah exactly in your how it was an in your house. Okay, but I just remember the yeah, I was like, yeah, I just and and you know, I'm just wondering like when they run that by you okay, we want you to do this this character like I mean, it had to be like just even running that by you like, yeah. I'd have known this is the one right. Absolutely. Yeah, you know because you can have a chance to work right away with the Undertaker and you know that he's going to make it successful as much as he possibly can. You know, the story behind it from what I understand is initially the cane character is supposed to be a Hotshot it and basically Mark needed an opponent and didn't have one for the pay-per-view. So, you know, they came up with this idea. quick and then Vince liked it so much that he decided you know, this was it was a great character and he didn't want to just you know, do a one shot deal and you can see that I mean in a pallbearer was talking about Kane for months before yeah, I wish all my debut and I think if any character ever had the table set for them to be successful it was paying, you know, and then just everything and the one along with that I was yeah, I was really pumped because had a couple characters that hadn't worked as well as I would have wanted them to and then they have the opportunity to do this, you know, and then your first night out you get to drop the Undertaker which never happened back then, you know, I mean like never no one ever just like dropped take her like that. So, you know, this was one of those deals. Like if this doesn't work, I really I really do need to consider a career change, but thankfully it did but see Clinton, you know, the thing is the execution was about as perfect as you can get that. I mean you nailed that character Glenn and I'm just wondering how how long it took you to, you know to get in the groove and and work all those things out, you know, you know, I mean like to wear like I mean It was yeah, it was just perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that one I felt very comfortable from the start. I mean because I'd worked with tiger before and of course, you know part of it especially at the start was mimicking some of the things that he did and there was really there was like a template because of taker, you know, that that I could follow and then by this point to I thin around long enough, I mean I've been in WWE for two years. You know, I've been around long enough that I knew what it took to be successful. And I knew that you know, I couldn't just always listen everybody else say okay. Yeah, it's whatever you want to do out there. You know, I had to had to you know, get myself over and I owed it to everybody in this case because someone should have been invested into became character. So really, I mean I felt comfortable from the beginning and you know, there wasn't there certainly wasn't the learning curve involved if there was with the other characters. Yeah did take her. Oh ever give you any sort of advice. Oh, yeah, give me lots of advice. Especially after I ask you something up and I love you called advice, but it was a shocking to everyone from the very beginning of my running before actually about running W. In fact, our first match was in Smoky Mountain wrestling and he had come down to Knoxville and it was him and me without snow in my corner. You know, I think that the mark always saw, you know, someone that he could go out and make money with and wanted me to be successful and that's just from the big very beginning and may not you know. Help me with a lot of just a lot of things. Yeah, and even before the cane character came along. Like I said help me navigate. Did you know Sean it can be a it can be a political world? Oh, yeah. Yeah tell me about it. I'll be navigate through a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah, cuz cuz mine like I honestly your I've never met a more like in Industry. I can more likable guy and I'm more pleasant guy to be around in the locker room at like, you know, and I could sometimes Like in the early days get get misconstrued for you know for other things. Yeah, Larry Simon used to say, you know, don't let people don't let people confuse kindness of weakness. Yeah, and that's the thing is yeah, you know, it's little different nowadays, but in that locker room, yeah, you know, there was much more of folks who weren't necessarily concerned. The overall well-being of the company is you know as themselves. Yeah, and yeah, it could be a hard place to really, you know to really get along and he did but it is what it is what it is at this point to and you know, a lot of those guys are my friends too. So when you first started getting that huge pushes as Cain like did you run into any like, you know, like guys to had to put you over any like animosity like hey, what the hell? Yeah, yeah and again if that's leak is well, okay, let me prep. Yes I did but there was a guy called The Undertaker. Yeah, it was and you know, the single has the people will you know folks sometimes give you a hard time. We only had it for day but here's the thing. this was Very important time because you know, Austin was taking off. Yep, you know, he was well into his climb, you know, the Attitude Era was like really it's just there was all this stuff rumbling and you know winning the World Championship was awesome. But that was in Pittsburgh at King of the Ring happened the same night that make a marriage, you know. Yeah what through the off the case and went through the cage. So I always get nickel hard time that my parents. Members Nick that night. Yeah, but nevertheless the next night in Cleveland. Oh man. I'll never forget. This is the most electric environment I've ever been in. I mean it was it was completely sold out and you know, all anybody wanted to see was Austin Yeah, Austin get the championship back and I really feel that you know for what my little part in was that that in all that that was really a springboard and you know, really helped Elevate the entire Duct yeah, in fact up until that point. That was the highest rated segment of raw that we've had and you know, that's when things really start shop if it wasn't me, of course, it was awesome and you know all that but nevertheless, you know play a part in that was a really big deal. No. Yeah. It's a huge deal man. Yeah, I'ma tell you like hey Glenn I was you know, I tell people this all the time whenever your name comes up in And people always like they'll associate me with the click and you know DDX guys are you know hunter or the wolf Pack's gotten Kev, but like honestly, my favorite partner I ever was was you it was just it was just the just such a unique Dynamic like, you know, it was the opposite of your average book end tag team, you know? Yeah and just the whole way it started, you know from the Wrestlemania thing everything. Yeah, it was it was great. It helped me out tremendously because you know up until that point Kane has just been like an emotionless monster. Yeah, and what what that did for me our tag team was it really helped round out my character because you know, it showed that, you know, Kane has feelings and all that stuff, which I've never had before right and you know humanized humanized me enough. You know, the people that I think could relate much better. Remember we did remember we did this deal where we were teasing a breakup. Yeah, and it was a Kemper arena there in Kansas City and you got mad and walked out of the Arena. Yeah, and then they shot another pre-tape, you know, and they had they had like a close of my eye and has a pure coming out, you know. Yeah. It was like the key Holly, right? Yeah, who would have thought but all that stuff it really helped, you know. So it really helped my character in my career and me to Manuel me too, and you know and all the stuff we got to do man. It was it was a blast. Yeah, and you know the like you said a lot of times you have Jack teams that are bookends but they're having something that contrasted so much and was so unique, you know, and we can have great match with anybody because you know, just could we had gosh who I live in the you know, the New Age Outlaws DLo and Mark Henry and you know just everybody we had a match would we had a match with DLo and Mark Henry and unfortunately, it was it was on the same show that own passed away. So it gets overlooked, you know, but it was so damn good glass. Oh my God, and and I just wanted to talk about like just the really cool way. Like we went into are starting our tag team we would have these tags. Matches and then just out of nowhere like at the end like Glenwood just wig out and grab me and chokeslamming and there and then so like when we won the tag titles after WrestleMania, you know at the end, you know, I blow my comeback Glenn comes in. He makes his huge comeback. People are going apeshit. I brung oh Buster. I think it was just showing her somebody and then when I stagger out Glenn grabs me by the throat again, and people think he's going to choke slam me and he picks me up. Over 70 throws me. I know and for the 1 2 3 and the place goes nuts Steve Austin said that was one of the greatest feel good like finishes you've ever seen at the time. Yep. Yep. I remember another one man where we were working against Taker and Big Show - oh, yeah big deal some Hello, and we did you can you hear me? Yeah, okay. So we did a deal where takers trying to recruit me back. Right and he forget how it happened. But basically he took he chokeslam Duty messed you up. Yep, and I didn't see that but you know, I'm facing the Titantron take her standing in front of me and you know, he's trying to convince me to come back with him. Meanwhile, the Titans are on the show the replay of you. Blasted by him. Yeah, and then I you know, I I like Steam for a second then I grabbed in a choke slam in the place went just absolutely amazing. Yeah, that was that was that was that was way cool. It's a great moment and and and glad you know, when when I actually turned heel on you like that was some pretty cool stuff too. I think like it went, you know, like it drug out too long at the end like, you know, because I really loved working with you. Like I want to do like anyways, we I really love working with you as a heel. It was very challenging for a guy my size like to work with not just a guy your size but a guy with your gimmick and I thought we did it really well, right and remember dust on this way back in my days in Puerto Rico. You know is you have to when you have a character like I have and the guy my size you may have to figure out creative ways to stop you. So horrible. Yeah, and then to the other thing is you don't get sympathy. Like normally we think you know guys get beat up and people, you know feel bad for him with me. It's just like why didn't they just get up and feed everybody, you know, so he could be difficult and I'll but of course you always had some great. Ideas, and yes, I remember that you definitely want to like a big huge match to put an exclamation point on the whole deal. Yeah never could really get it worked out like some exploding like fire exploding bomb type of thing right and in like, yeah, just never never yeah came to fruition. But in my mind like I had this image in like, you know you that would have been your like burial of me. But anyways never happened little bummed out. He talks about you guys having a singles match at WrestleMania because I know you guys had one a knowing, you know, but it was so close. Was there any talks about a singles match between you guys well, that was like the thing that was it? Yeah, and it turned into a tag match and you know, it was kind of more of an afterthought. But yeah, and I think I broke my hand too so I couldn't really You know do a whole lot so that didn't help matters. But yeah, we're supposed to have like the big big blow off as a WrestleMania ends the set of just you know, we just never could get it worked out but people always and even like after that like when I was doing the 2002 NWO stuff whenever you would get your hands on me, the people would go nuts even like later on down the road. So but I remember like Glenn and I got to bring this up man because I felt like I felt so bad when I finally realized this was the deal. I apparently like I sent you to the hospital three nights in a row to get stitched up and you never told me I had to find out from Paul Bearer. Do you remember that? Yeah, it was still is it was actually it was it wasn't three nights in a row. It was once two consecutive weeks, but it was also just stuff that happened. It wasn't like you've done anything on purpose or anything like that. In fact one of them I did mine. Off you go Barney. I'll never forget you were here apologize and I'm like dude. Don't worry about it. You know, it's just it happens. I'm not I'm not hurt or anything. Well you remember the one do you remember the one where I slammed the cage door on your head and you hit and hit a gusher and I mean like in and it and that's when it dawned on me how hot you run at all times? Because when the blood hit your suit it immediately dried caked up and started smoking and steaming. Oh my God, and that was my fault. I didn't protect myself as well as I should have on that. But yeah, I will never forget that either. That was visually that was horrifying but I remember Mick Nick actually was there that night and yeah, I've had a really bad cut. My scalp and never Mick walking into the locker room and remember Francois Francois petite. Look at you. Yeah, Francois was looking at it and make walks in and it's like, oh my God blend and as soon as mix said that I'm like, oh no, I'm done. Like, it's Mick Foley's, you know, Mick Foley saying, oh my God about an injury forget about it, right? Yeah. So but luckily we had an ugly it wasn't you know, it wasn't that bad, but it was a it was a nice Cut. Hey glad so when When we like okay going talking about that 2002 NWO stuff. You've you tore your bicep then and and we did this thing in the back where I like we attacked you and like I took your mask off you remember that? Yes, where are you now what you were like shrugging your something with like 405 which isn't really that a lot that much weight for you wasn't it? I was doing no, I'm worn that like 595. Okay, I know but even that real You like 595 like shrugging like IBI picture you doing that like it's a weird thing where all the sudden, you know blow up by some. Yeah. Yeah. Now what had happened was I had a I had an underhand grip on that side. And I think I'd actually I remember, you know, someone had me in like an armbar something. I remember tweaking it a little bit like a month before that and it was just one of those, you know, just one of those things And I've been really fortunate in my career. I've only had a handful of injuries and I had that one but that doubt happened at the gym and just happened, you know in the ring. Yeah, but yeah, man, I had to go down to dr. Andrews, of course and I had to get it fixed. There was it was you know in an area on my arm that your arm can't function I couldn't turn my wrist, you know, but again, I mean I've been I've been so Rich and I had that I broke my hand, you know, and that's really been about it. As far as like injuries that put me out for any period of time what we seek is I mean, it's I mean you it's not like you're pretty ads out and big man the way you worked. So like what do you think? What do you think the reasoning for you being fairly injury-free? Like keep it flexible or what? Yeah that has something to do with also mean, you know, because I am a big dude, you know, it's like, you know some other guys that just have to go out there every night and you know, take all these crazy bumps on never had to do that. I mean look at Mick now and you know, you know night after night make would go out and do some towns on the concrete and all that and you know, his body's taken a toll. Yeah because of that and I just I was very fortunate. Have to do that, you know, and then also, I mean I try to stay in this good of shape as I could which can be challenging on the road. But nevertheless I'd always get to the gym and just try to take care of myself. And I think that that has a lot to do with it as well. Are you you look as good now. I got biggest you some better than at some point earlier in your career. Yeah. Yeah it I still I still work out. Stay in shape and that's whatever he does is like, you know, if you found the Fountain of Youth I was like, I don't know Max. I certainly don't feel like I did when I was 30. Well your current job is shall we say far less hazardous than your than your previous gig? Of course in some point now in some ways. Yeah. Have you had any trouble convincing the people of the town or anyone that you work with that someone who we've seen bleeding from the head from a cage in a ring can be an effective. mayor no, because the thing is, I think that we reach the you know, the point that folks understand what you know, what we do is entertainment and we're really actors and of course, you know for years and years and years, you know that that within our business that was completely off-limits, you know, and Vince realized that you know, we can do a lot more if we're you know, Just acknowledge that what we do is entertainment and that there are people behind the actors behind the characters and you know, frankly just like with so many other things, you know, everybody's like that's crazy to think that way but he was right knee in and you can just see that you know in really the you know, the WWE Superstars and performers their ability to especially nowadays in the day, you know and social social media. Yes, it's your bill. The to do things outside of WWI outside of wrestling that you wouldn't have been able to do in the old days. So, you know, you're going to have people say whatever and I find that those folks are completely ignorant about that but they're talking about yeah, you know, this is been a great business for me I have been able Because of my time in WWE I've been able to touch so many people around the world touch their lives in a positive manner and that's the most rewarding thing. Absolutely when someone come someone comes up and tells you that, you know, thank you for giving them years of enjoyment and entertainment. You can't put a price tag on that, you know, so I think you know, I think that nowadays all that stuff is real. You know, we always going to have people would say whatever and who cares sure, you know, most people are most people are cool and accepting and realize that and you know, we're just people, you know, trying to make a living he's owed. So Glenn was there a situation locally that you were frustrated with that made you decide you wanted to run for mayor not always been interested in how government I never really wanted to run for office, you know, but in the end, it's just, you know thinking maybe I could hopefully I can have a positive impact on on things but there wasn't like a single trigger in my for me. That was like how yeah, I need to do this. It was more just I think would be a good thing it did you did you have did you experience any you know, you know dirty tricks, you know, as far as like the politicians that you were going against not so much we had really Clean Campaign has really proud of it, but not only on my side but also my opponents, you know there. They ran a Clean Campaign, you know, and I think nowadays two people are tired of the dirty balls man, you know, I know I am that really turns folks off. And in fact, you know, one of my opponents, he's on County Commission great guy, you know, we and it's funny because during the campaign, you know, we would argue about stuff and now you know, we see eye to eye on a lot of things and he does a great job. So, you know, I think really with the politics Again, people just getting sick and tired of the constant negative campaign is like well, okay. So your opponent's terrible. What about you? You know, that's what I always say, you know, it's you know, the yeah campaign model for a lot of candidates should just be you know, I'm not as bad as the other guy right instead of you know, why should you vote for me? It's just always why should you not vote for the other person and I think people are tired of it. Well, he's mayor just the first stop in your political career. Are you going to run for governor or I have I have no idea. I'm just trying to survive and do a good job. And you know, we'll see I really don't know, you know, I haven't I haven't thought that far and I think really you do the service to folks when you think like that shouldn't you know, I have a problem when people say higher office or you know, whatever because they're all important. Yeah, and you know, you need to treat it like that. But when people get in just thinking oh gosh, you know, I'm going to run for this and I'm This idea that that's not what the whole thing is about. The whole thing is about conserving your constituents. Yeah. Yeah. Hey and and your constituent I mean Knoxville, Tennessee is a pretty diver tway more diverse than somebody might think when they hear tennis it is. Yeah. It is man. We in the county there's 450,000 people and we have the County's budget is 830 million dollars and And we have everything here from downtown. We have a section downtown called Market Square, which is one of the hippest place in the country, there's restaurants and you know theaters and just everything you possibly imagine. I live out in a section at the county which is in the country, you know, we have everything in between, you know, when we look at ethnic diversity as well, you know, I have you know friends here that you know, you wouldn't think that there would be a Asian population here, but you know I friends are Vietnamese Japanese from from Laos, you know, all that all that sort of thing, you know Indian folks everything. So yeah, it is a very diverse Community. Hey, hey real like let's talk about the wrestling school bond. Yeah that Community is about to get a brand-new Wrestling Academy, right? Yeah. Yeah. It is really happy about this. You know, dr. Tom Prichard. Yeah, we use online. It was on a couple Year, it was on a couple weeks ago right bottom and yep Tom was here in Knoxville and Tom's one of the best trainers in the world. Absolutely uses WWE for quite a while as the head trainer at Developmental Center and you know has trained people like Kurt Angle and the rock and all these other folks and from you know, looking at this as a business person. I was thinking It's just a shame that you know, Tom is not training because yes, we good at it and he's really demand, you know, he goes all over the world doing seminars in that sort of stuff. So really I was like, you know just for me in as a business person look at the whole thing and thinking okay, you know, what's the competition and of course, you know Lance Storm has great school up in Calgary and Booker has a great setup down and in Houston, you know, and of course Nothing compared to the Forum Performance Center in Orlando, you know, but really I think you have to look at people ask me. How do I get into the WWE got to go to Performance Center at some point, you know, the question is how do you get ready to go to Performance Center, you know and that's the first stop for a lot of people and I thought that was a niche that that we could fill and geographically, you know, it's kind of lacking in our in our area. So I just thought I'd the you know, I thought it'd be something. That would would take off. Has anyone at WWE. Have they been supportive of you or did anyone encourage you when this was just an idea? Oh, yeah, I mean, you know, I ran it by them and you know, the thing about WWE is you know, you hear a lot of negative stuff and I can tell you the negative stuff is often a result of disgruntled people who haven't gotten their way, you know just running that's true because most of the time when I've come up and said hey I need Put something they'll bend over backwards to help me with it. And you know, this is has been the same and you know, especially Triple H understands that you know, they need a pipeline and they need talent coming in and Paul Paul gets that you know, I mean, he was the brains behind the performance center, which is just an unbelievable facility, you know, and I mean, he goes all around the world helping other others in some cases other promotions. You know groom their talent. So I think that any time that he sees the opportunity, you know to get to grow that talent pool of people if they could pull from are going to be supportive of it. Well, one of the things that we were talking about earlier and I kind of wanted to ask you was we were talking about your different phases in the company and different things that you went through but one of the things I want to know is what was your favorite evolution of Cain now them first one. First one by far because it was new it is different as exciting for me personally and you know that would that was the time to man. I mean that was when everything was you know was just going and you know forget about being hostile and wrestling they're the hottest thing in entertainment. Absolutely. No, I mean, yeah, it was it was much bigger than just professional wrestling. We were the hottest thing in the entertainment world, you know when you can go around for two years or however long it was and and sell every place out. Jet sell out every single. Yeah, that's not paper. These legit everywhere. We went you know and every how show yeah. Yeah. It was just amazing and from a character standpoint to you know, that that's you know, that that was just the best time because you know how it goes as you evolve through your career. It's just like just like everything. I mean like in Happy Days they call Jumping the Shark Tank, right Jumping the Shark. Yeah, you know, yeah the original concept of the characters because it's always does because you always have to be something new and to me that was just you know, that that was just the best time because you had you know had this character everybody knew what it was all about. And you know, everything was fresh and good. You know, what something I want to add to this is that man. No one has a you spoke so much without ever speaking a word the way you did your the way you did everything man like and I just want to I just want Acknowledge that that I mean it was so well done Manuel. Thank you very much. Yeah, I'm going to tell you I'm a tell you guys where I got the head tilt because I remember Bruce picture telling me that you know, I would see that tilt my head from side to side number Bruce Prichard telling me that I had told people more about what was going on than if I had been able to talk absolutely and I got that from a st. Bernard named Annie. Yeah, because when she was curious you until her head one way when she was hungry. She would tilt her head the other way. That's where the whole thing came from the actually, you know people, you know, they think there's this deep story behind. It was like now this watching my dog one day and I was like, that's cool, but I gotta get going. I was just about to say man. We're coming up to end this and I just want to thank you so much Glenn. Thank you, man. Thank you for coming on John. I appreciate it. And thank you guys, and then I went I had a great time working. With you as well. And you're one of those guys that I'll tell you about about Sean. He was always more worried about me. Then he was him and remember, you know one time he was talking with Vince and we were talking about something and Sean was the guy going to bat for me, you know, and I think that says a lot about thank him and you know, it really impressed me. I used to think that I used to dip my hands in glass to tape. Them up dip them in glass to go in and go canes not doing that. That's not what Kane does. Yeah, so you looked out for me man. I appreciate that. Thank you, ma'am. So grateful to you for everything man and and Glenn Jacobs. Mayor Glen Jacobs everyone. Thank you, man. Thank you guys have an awesome rest of your day. Thank you for your time Glenn. Thanks, honey. Take care, bud Merry Christmas, my friend. All right, that was so much fun to hear you guys. Yeah, man, and and talking to ladies here and I'm saying man. Sorry bro offended. Listen Bros. Yeah just send it was so-so. just so she's getting your honor so generous with this time. Yeah. Yeah, and I did I used to get really pissed. He's not lying man. I used to go in there. I'm not no, that's not what Kane does Glenn's not doing that tonight. No. No. Yeah, he's right. I can you think of one instance like specifically. 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Hey everyone, and welcome to episode 31 of practically zero waste a podcast for making zero waste living as practical as possible. This week's episode is particularly exciting because I have with me today the co-founder of the share waste a police car bomber over in Sydney Australia nail it we talked all about the value of preventing food waste composting food scraps and building that Bloody Community with people around you in order to save the planet. If you're into all of that and want to help support the podcast you can leave a rating or review on Apple podcasts or head to Anchor. Dot f m / practically zero waste and hit the support button and if you haven't seen her Instagram and Facebook posts from last week about our super awesome giveaway contest head over to your social media and check it out contest closes May 26 at midnight open to listeners worldwide, but enough of that. Let's get down to sharing our waste. Hello - good. How are you? Yeah. Good. Where are you in Canada? So I'm in Ontario but Southern Ontario so we've got a pretty pretty nice climate. It's not bitter cold. Yeah, Australia what part of Australia are you in Sydney? Sydney? Australia is great if you want to spent a lot of time Outdoors. Oh good. Yeah, totally. Yeah, when's this like the coldest would be 10 degrees and it's still sunny. So you get a lot of sunshine, which is Magic. And how people think and how people walk with smiles and the street so that is so true. It's spring time now and in Canada and we're just coming into the 10 degree 15 degree days, and it's amazing. There's so many more people outside and everybody's smiling. It's really nice. Yeah. So what is share waste and like what was the story behind it? How did you decide to make this app? So Story is actually quite simple. We moved to Sydney to a little apartment in a very busy. Very vibrant neighborhood called new town. Okay, I think it's the fact that we moved to New time is actually quite important for the first story. And because we do by quite a lot of baking soda fruit, we realize we're producing a lot of organic waste and when you produce a lot of organic ways in Australia because most of the year, it's either warm or or really hot here. Yeah, stop smelling and the band pretty much immediately. Wow. We also knew that somebody else might be quite happy to use it in their God their worms who for their compost. So we had an idea that maybe somebody local because the community here is very specific. Most people are friendly and open and very I would say Eco and green oriented. We thought well, maybe some They would be happy to take our scraps and use them in their Garden. I found a lady who actually said yes, please come over. I'm already taking scraps from local cafe and from my neighbor's why not? Let's grab some more to my compost. That's how the initial idea started and because my husband is a software engineer. He thought hmm. Maybe this would be an interesting side project. So he started working. In the better version of the first ad and yeah, that's how the story began. I love that. It's called share waste. How did you come up with the name? Well, first of all, we had to find the name that didn't have a registered website. Yeah. Also, we actually love sharing if I could I would share anything. We have been our apartment and like all things we have in our flat. We use Kosh airings we go to to libraries and community. Libraries, so we love the concept of sharing. I don't think that you need to have everything in your house. Once the community has it people can easily borrow it and use it and share it and prepare it together. There's no point why everybody should buy and have everything separately. So we wanted to use the concept of sharing and connection and the cycle of things together with the waist and I think it works quite well. Hmm. It's a beautiful because it's not here dumpier dump your waste at my house or give give me your way so that I can grow a garden. It's this sharing of something that's valuable as opposed to disposing of something right Stephen. One of our goals showing people that most things have value even when you think they don't have any value anymore kitchen scraps or any veggies crabs become waste once we dump them in the garbage bin, but before that we can still use them we can still give them somebody's chickens. We can still use them to fertilize the garden to be a welcome. You know, we're trying to keep the resources in their food and life cycle for a little bit longer and then and I read them in a better way so good. I like that a lot and I like just talking about how things can contribute so much more if you let them have the chance if you thought that they have a personality, but your food scraps are just dying to be something more than organic matter in a landfill. It really is. Yeah actually run a chemical analysis you find so many important nutrients our soils actually lack these days. Absolutely. Well, it's depleted. It's very very hard in many cases. So absolutely in your and we've talked about this on the podcast a lot to is that every time you're growing something in the ground if it's in a garden or if it's an industrial-sized Farm, you're depleting the soil because all of them nutrients those in the ground is going into that plant and then the plant is reused exactly. So and what happens to the nutrients when we don't just give them back we need to give them back because we are just using up the soil all the nutrients everything that's good in it, but we are not giving anything back. So everything should go back that's what's kind of like the idea of sharing again is happening with the Earth like sharing is kind of a give and take it's not a gift of one sided but sharing is back and forth. So you're taking from the Earth to have some food and When you are returning things to the Earth, it's the scraps and the kind of nutrients to put it back in there and that cycle continues exactly. I think that for me also the idea behind it is take only what you need and give what you can exactly the same with food ways. I mean, there's no need to take more than we actually need for a life or we need to make us happy. But whatever we don't need we just should pass it on give it back unless it's somebody else to you. It absolutely I like that a lot. Tell me a little bit about the app and about the website that's attached to it. How does that kind of work? We have a day. sporadic and the way the app pretty much works is that it's based on a map. So if you go to share ways.com, you can open a map and you can see local people who compost on the map and if you click on them, you can have a look what they are happy to accept what they can't accept how much waste and what the waste should look like. So anybody can register either as a compost host to accept or as a donor to donate whatever. They produce it can be Garden ways. It can be kitchen ways. It can be anything organic that is compostable or that can be fed to farm animals. And once you register, you can contact local Compass hose or if you're a compost host you wait for local donors to get in touch with you and offer you there are kitchen scraps or organic waste in general and so people are allowed to say in my compost. I would like to Not accept I don't know meat scraps or I would like to not accept grease or even even things that are technically compostable according to their label like maybe a kitchen catcher, you know, those plant-based plastic bags, you know there. Auntie of what people are happy to accept and what not is actually huge. If you go to any composting guy they will tell you you can compost this and you can compost that don't put in any me don't put in any bread and don't don't put any any Citrus into worm Palm. But in reality there is so much variety and it's very individual because everybody who has a compost they are proficient in how to run their as well and how to make their webs happy. So only people would actually accept some Citrus in there worm farms if it's cut up very fun. And if it's not too much of it or a lot of people are happy to accept some meat would be happy to accept food ways, like pasta or bread. I'm not saying that everybody would yeah that is very individual on the other side of that range. There are people who for example wouldn't accept tea bags because there is a little bit Microplastic totally. Yeah, so the range is huge. Some people are very strict with their happy to put in their compost or where they're happy to feed their friends. But some people openly say I take anything as long as as it's shredded or cut up very fun and less long as it's not too much of it. Yeah. I've had maybe four different people reach out to me in my local area and they've all come by at some Point and dropped off some compost and I've given them some guidelines. Like I think it's a great idea to collect it in a large container in your freezer for the week. And then come by when you can I've met them a couple of times and I want to put up a little sign that says like composter this way. This is like with the share we stopped information stuff. I actually have enjoyed so much connecting with people and it's great because Most people are very creative. So they come up with ideas how to make the system better. And once we have the information you're happy to pass it on then show other people how they can make the system work really smoothly and very easily from both sides. What we also really like about choez because for us it's I would say huh of the whole thing is about sustainability and better use of resources, but the rest is about building Unity getting to know people connecting with local community members that's equally important for us because we think that the way we treat the planet and our environment very much depends on how we collaborate. Absolutely. It's partially how we're treating each other. Yeah, if people are not in touch they come. Yeah, they have no power and I think that a community has a lot of power if people are connected and they know about the resources they have I mean, each of us has some things some some skills and knowledge and some items and some possessions, but if you take every single person in the community, imagine how rich it is with all the knowledge all the skills all the Parents, that's amazing. And that's why we encourage people to me because our compost house has they have so much knowledge about composting about gardening about everything you can get locally. So yeah right now I'm reasons why we bother want people to meet and exchange and share and talk. And yeah, I'm so excited to actually just talking about Community. I want to start reaching out to the people who have been in touch with me and who drop off. On a regular basis because I love composed. I'm a passionate composter. And so I want to be able to say oh what if we did a composting workshop on how to you know, get the most out of your food scraps before it even comes to my composter or what if we you know all get together and shovel it and turn it every few months or something. Like what if we do community things together. Yeah. Yeah. Pro workshops a lot of our compost house, especially the ones who love pompous you already understood that yes. This is what I need for my garden and the more I have the better. Yeah, they are trying to organize their donors and they break a little late and they created some guidelines to make a the whole drop of process. Very organized. Some of them actually have a little Community herb garden or a little area. Lovely go and get some herb Cliff hangs for get some excess produce from the garden, but the lovely ideas yeah are happy to give to their donors some eggs to take home. I mean what's better most of us buy eggs from supermarkets because there is no other option, but once you bring your scrubs to host and you get a dozen of eggs to take home from somebody who has very happy. Arrange chickens. I mean it's amazing though something better. That's so cool the idea of having a little part of my backyard garden, which I'm just in the process of building. We've just moved to this place that is open for community members to come in like take a little snip of Basil home with them or whatever. They're planning for their supper. I like that so much. I hadn't even thought of that in fact life. You live in the city and don't have a God. Yes. In the center, we have no God, no green space whatsoever. We can't we definitely can't compose here. And if I want to get some fresh basil or Rosemary when I'm cooking I in most cases we have to go to supermarket when I go see my house. I can ask them. Is it? Okay if I cut as a cynic with a few bits of puzzle, but most house would say I would you like to take some Would you like to take some Tomatoes we have heaps right now? Yeah, exactly. Oh, so how far of a walk is it for you to go to your compost host? So the first lady we had which was before we started creating the app. She was about 30 minutes walk from us, which was a bit bar. Especially when you have a tank pillow caddy for compost. Wow compost to be they was actually one of the reasons why we decided to create an app to help us find somebody much closer. And now we have three hosts. We rotate regularly all of those three hosts have uttered owners in the area as well. And I would say one it's about five minutes away. And the other two are about 10 minutes away. I like the idea of having multiple drop-off spots for you because then it depends on where you're going to be out and about during the day then you make your choice about where You going to drop off your compost? Yes, and Always eat sometimes yeah in Winter the whole process is lowlier. So composting slows down so they can't accept as much compost as in the summer and it's nice to have more people. Yeah. It's just nice to see them talk to them and say hi. We also had a few house at the very beginning who are not hosting any more because they moved to smaller places and they can't host. All their compost is too busy so they can't accept any more. We are still friends. We still meet regularly when we have time, which is nice. He's yeah, you've made a connection or relationship there DM. Sydney without any family. I must say that 95% of people we know here we met face to share ways. That's amazing. So, how did you originally get the word out about your app once it was created I pretty much spur Facebook Channel Why so soon after we pray least be at a little bit later our Instagram account? Because we in the original stage, we had the app, but nobody knew about it really didn't really realize how much potentially to had it then it just started growing and growing and it's been growing since but at the very Beginnings we met two people who are who are I think very important for us because one of them told us, Hey, you need to an Instagram account. This is an amazing app. Let's just let's just get the word out totally and the other one said pretty much the same. So even when we didn't have any users at the beginning and nobody knew about it, the first 10 or 20 people helped us so so much well to feel more confident about the potential of the app. Just knowing hey, you have something valuable and it's great that you Tell everybody about it. So I think that helped us a lot in the very beginnings and then people started sharing it the community started growing and we are adding more new little features. That is so now when is 7,000 something-something members Y which is uses. Yes. I knew once register every day. Wow. Well, congratulations, that's wonderful. That's so good. And so how Different countries. Do you know like who's using so many different countries? Yeah that we have many working community. He's Trey Leah, New Zealand the states Canada even in Asia and Europe. I was surprised to find out that we have even working communities in countries where English is not spoken such as Hungary. Well, I mean, it's amazing. We have snow former relationship to Hungry. We didn't physically go there to spread the word about the app, but apparently somebody found this out and tell who the rest of the community and that Started spreading slowly. We have a functioning community in Portugal in Malaysia. Wow. So how important is composting for the planet. Ah, explain me what happens when we don't compost please do so when we don't compost whatever scraps we have off to cooking or mowing the god. And it all goes to landfill and what happens is in landfill is that there is very little oxygen excess and landfill in general is toxic because it's not just our organic ways, but there is a lot of plastic and metal and all packaging Composites everything. Nobody else wanted it makes us together. So it's very toxic. Sometimes people think that when they're organic waste goes to landfill so it just decompress Because this right it goes underground. So why why we should compost when it can easily decompose and landfill. Yeah that could we see things rotting. Yeah. Would you like to have a garden on a formula to fill? I don't think anybody would like to have a garden on a formal axle end because it's toxic because in landfill, there are no living organisms and bacteria and webs and little tiny. Creepy crawlies. We need to compost probably in landfill. There is none of that. Yeah, and the result is just a huge toxic heat which produces a lot of greenhouse gases, especially a lot of methane, which we now know contributes to global warming. So that's the biggest for me the biggest reason ecological white compost also, For me, it's amazing. That composting is the only for me is the only type of recycling you can do at home. Can you recycle plastic at home? No, can we recycle paper? Cardboard metal glass? No, but organic ways. Yes, we can it's yeah, you don't need much space. It's very cheap to start. It's easy. Anybody can learn that so why we are still not doing it or many of us. I don't know. You have to look any type of waste recycling. It's very pricey. It's very complex. Most of the waste most of plastic and glass has to travel to another country right baby stifled and then it's shipped somewhere else. It's such an expensive process not mentioning the ecological impact, right? Anybody can do it in their Garden or on a balcony. Can have a worm farm or anybody can just walk to their neighbor with their scraps. We've talked about this again on the podcast to bit like recycling is totally a Band-Aid. It is not the solution. It is trying to clean up a mess that already exist, but it's not not the answer is not preventive. Yeah, that's hard to wrap your mind around because it's reduce reuse recycle. That's the slogan that we've heard from, you know, our childhood. That's what you're taught in school that Great Reduce Reuse, but the recycle seems to be where people jump to First and it's this disposal idea that you know, oh, well, I put it in the recycling. I'm not even going to wash it because I'm sure they wash it at the recycling plant. Why wouldn't they and so to just stop and think like you said about could I do this at home? Could I recycle plastic at home? What does it take to recycle plastic? Wow, that's a huge ordeal and requires so much effort and resources and water. ER and time and money to be able to just skip the process and try and try as much as you can to not buy something in packaging in the first place and it also makes you feel great that you can actually do something yourself like what how many things we can fix or how how many things we know how how they work how many things we can do without a huge process of things going from place to place all very long process. This is something anybody can do pretty much without any special knowledge. I'm just a compost bin. That's great. Be honest. Yeah to me. There's also another level that goes together with waste and it's the whole negative impact of the waste markets and waste management. And that's what the people who actually deal with our waste in countries such as India and China and they African Ruiz what working conditions they have and what impacts our ways has on their countries because then it goes to their landfills. Oh, that's so embarrassing as a it is it is country to send their ways to somebody else's like it's that whole not in my backyard like, oh, I don't see the landfill so I don't so it doesn't exist. So it's It helps when you went everybody imagines the landfill how the left looks like when there was a landfill in it how the people what working conditions that people have they're actually people who physically have to select and separate and pick up various pieces of garbage because we weren't able to separate with her we weren't able to compost it or we just didn't care didn't bother me. Disgusting working conditions because in those countries there is no work can help safety nothing. That what an extra level to consider. That's so important to visualize the me. Definitely a thing. in many cases to switch to something else without thinking about the whole impact about the whole process. It's it's nice to know the whole journey of stuff like how things are made how much water goes consumed how much energy what who is actually involved in the process? What are their working conditions? What about the shipment? What about the logistics? What does it take to create a mobile phone? Oh my gosh, the number of Things like all my screens broken. So I just throw it away like oh Yeah. excellent point make better decisions in life. It's yeah, it was no use but it's good to know the context. So we'll put I like that. What is the zero waste Community or the low waist movement like in Australia, especially in Sydney? Yeah. I think it's very fitted. To be honest wait, we are not so much on social media apart from running our at because we are already so busy with managing everything and trying to keep it together as it's been growing and growing. Oh, yeah, but there are two in local Australian influences. We really like and that's Lindsay from treading my own path and airing from the Rogue Ginger, I would recommend to anybody to follow because they Have great ideas and tapes and they they try the experiment and they're trying to find their way to zero waste or lower rates live there trying to do things better and inspire people and that's exactly what we're trying to do to inspire and to show that many things can be done. You just need to make the decision. That's so awesome. I actually have heard of treading my own path. And so So I am glad to I didn't know that she was Australian. So that's really cool. Yes. Yeah, check out. roach in YouTube, absolutely in sustainable look like Living our young moms with little kids who were trying to leave a good life. Yeah list of leave the planet in a better state that it was for their children. Yes of the future Generations housing in such a prank in nice motivation to think about how we live and how we could do things better. Here's a random question. If not, I guess it's not random because we're talking about compost but what would happen if the hole? Worldcom posted and could we ever go back to that because I'm sure yeah. And what we could grow in it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean condos this really important and it's not just in Australia because Australia experiences regular droughts right uncle's actually helps the soil retain water what I didn't know that. Yes. That's that's one of the reasons why many gardeners want to get as much compost as they can. So it's about the nutrients, but it's also about retaining most Trent avoid water. It's a protection. It's a protection from the site sunshine and it's a way how to keep water in your veggie page for around new trees. I didn't realize oh, yeah, that's awesome. So if the whole world was composting and every city had either Municipal compost pickup or everybody had backyard composters that somehow they could contribute to the farmers who don't have enough compost to cover their entire Farm. fields Our landfills for instance. I think it would be pretty much the same in Canada or the state. Yes. It is in Australia, but in most cases for most people 50% of what they throw in their garbage bin is compostable. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's mostly food. Yeah food scraps actuals coffee grounds used coffee grounds wasted wasted food like leftovers that go bad exactly. Yeah leftovers. So once once we started around well composting what once we started chair ways. We have very little garbage because who dressed we have we can easily recycle and it doesn't smell your garbage doesn't smell because you're not putting anything bad in there. Yeah, just important in a warm country. Well, it smells in Australia. It attracts them. Totally. Oh, I like the cold cold Winters in Canada because it kills all the big bugs. So yeah, you pretty much cut down. Absolutely. What's your tip for encouraging people to participate in share waste because I know so many people who don't Just because it's not as simple as garbage pickup. And so if it's a 10-minute walk if it's a five-minute walk if it's a 20-minute Drive. What can we say to motivate people to just take that extra step because I know you just have to care but also like what about people who don't really care. How can we get them on board too? About the planet as such but they maybe they would care about somebody else. They know a lot of our donors are motivated by the fact that they physically go to somebody and they can see their God and they can injure their produce as well. Once the connection is made. I think it becomes easier imagine you're always helps and making it more personal. That's why We want people to physically need to have the personal contact to see hey Luke. This is my God. These are my chickens and dots and they're going to enjoy your food scraps. Thank you so much for them. But what do you realize because it's just like garbage then they dumped in the bin. So wonderful amazing resources, but doesn't realize oh my God, somebody's thanking me for my Bootstrap, somebody's thanking me for my ways. Why? Yeah. That's what helps them keep motivated. I think that's a great idea and it takes it you could not talk about being environmentally friendly or save the planet or anything in that whole little bit that you just said and that could still motivate somebody because it's an act of kindness really that's that sharing right? exactly something and benefit from for you. It has no no value but for a local Garden or for a local community garden, that's something that really it really something if you have a look and it photos of garden their new compost and rich soil how happy they are they understand how valuable it is. Yeah. Oh, I love that. I just can't wait to it's very very close to planting season and That this episode will be coming out the May long weekend in Canada, which means everybody gets the plant stuff and it's so excited. Absolutely. Okay. So yeah, that would be great. If I ever organize a meet up with my compost owners, I will totally send a picture of your way. Yeah. We'll set through and well, I'm your girl trust me. I am very excited about your app. Yeah. No, I have told like every person that I've meant And that's probably why we have so many people around Ontario. I love the idea of something like composting becoming normalized and accessible to people and I think that your app helps it become accessible because people get stuck right you you think well, I don't have Municipal compost pickup and I don't have a backyard or a balcony. I don't want to have worms in my apartment. So what? I supposed to do about it. if there was Just wait for us. And for many people it is still there still in this situation when I think about my grandma's generation, if you didn't compost you would be weird with the fry. It was so normal when people started moving to cities and the whole disposable culture started. Yeah caring about some things. Yeah, and there's not as much value put on food right look if You if you valued every part of that red pepper that you're chopping up, then you wouldn't leave any of it. That's edible behind or the same with any kind of food, especially leftovers like food that is already cooked and prepared. Some people just don't like leftovers and that's whatever just cook Less in the first place in order to not have leftovers just put more value because you had to pay for that food. So exactly value it I paid for it. Value it totally. Cook too much and just throw it in the bin. I think twice before throwing anything in the bin. Yeah. Yeah, and if and if that could be applied to more things so not necessarily like make your own clothes or anything like that, but if you Don't buy into fast fashion as much then when you buy something for three dollars, you don't value it as much and so when that shirt gets a stain on it that you can't wash it out. Then throwing it in the garbage is kind of an easy step for you to take because you only spent $3 on it. But like if you value even something that was only $3.00 so much more than maybe you'd put more effort into getting the stain out or just turn it into a You're something else, you know, like it we have a value problem. I think totally wait A two things turned off made locally people don't know how things are made. That's true. Yeah who's involved in the process? So I think that's the first step for most people to rethink their maybe the way they live for if they are waste is to think about every single item. They are going to buy and what's behind it and maybe they will decide that they don't actually hold it. Yes. It doesn't have Value and salt for or it's not so far of the right value which is in most cases right or they actually don't need it because the waste management and the follow-up process would be too expensive too heavy on Waste Management. That is totally one of the main benefits of valuing something local or or shopping local is that it creates this mindfulness or this awareness of where your stuff is coming from and who made it like if you are encountering the farmer who grew your sweet potatoes at the farmers market then you know, you are putting a face to that in your understanding. Wow, he had to you know, suffer through all this heavy rain. We've been having or you know lack of rain. We've been in a drought or something and I can appreciate that. This is the fruit of his labor and so or her labor, sorry, so yeah. They putting a space to all the people involved in the process. That's so important. And he just said it. Do you have any other tips for people in order to get involved in share waste or anything else that you want to share? Yeah, so Just do as I say. Combat can accept food scraps or more organic ways anybody even if you have a local General Store and you have a compost at the bag, please do register anybody can join in also on the other side. If you produce any type of organic ways that can be composted or that can be fed to farm animals. He can register as a donor for instance if you produce. Sold our store Garden clippings or even using paper is very valuable forgotten as it can go as the brown layer in the compost bin. So Graham free to register and offer it to somebody a lot of gardeners would be so happy to send newspaper because they just don't buy any they are struggling with finding the brown brown materials into their compost. So there is Way somebody who could actually benefit from what you have and you can't use anybody can register. We also have cafes and local little businesses who can actually start sharing their food scraps and especially used coffee grounds as long as they're willing to help people get on board and make the system the pickup system easy for the community and it's great. The building because especially with small family local businesses. I know how Fierce the competition can be and once you have a community of regulars and people who stand behind you where local yeah, it's great. It has a lot of power and these people will be happy to support you once here you're going through some difficult times in terms of running a business. Oh, yeah. Well, that's great. And I love that you mentioned restaurants. You so if you are a restaurant or business owner, it would be so great to be able to connect with a farmer who has the capacity to compost or process with their animals all of the food scraps that you could give them. That would be so cool. If all of the restaurants in an area or able to partner with farmers in the area and they you know, streamline the pickup process and and the bagging process whatever it is to ship it to them off of you so good. Yeah. Let's get in touch research getting to it. Yes, it's possible. We've seen it many ways many times. A lot of people are already doing it somewhere else. So yes, you can do it too. Thank you so much for connecting with me and for figuring out the time difference and scheduling children being watched and yeah. Thanks so much. For chat fatty greetings. Thank you. Have a good night, Ellie. Oh good day. I mean, yeah, it's like 10 p.m. Here. Yeah. Enjoy your afternoon. Bye. Thanks again for listening everyone. If you want to become a donor or a compost host anywhere in the world go to share ways.com and sign up because it's totally free and in fact preventing food waste and composting food waste our number 3 and number 60 in drawdown projects list of a hundred solutions for reversing climate. Change so do it. If you can't compost where you live. There's someone nearby who can take your scraps and you can find them on share waste.com. If you liked today's episode on composting you'd probably enjoy episodes 11 with the zero waste Chef number 14 of it learning to cook and number 24 the living composter. You can find all of those and more on our archives wherever you get your podcast. If you want to be attached you can email the podcast at practically zero waste at gmail.com. You can find us all on Instagram and Facebook at share waste and at practically Zero waste pod find me on Instagram and LZ Callahan this week. I challenge you to encourage some of the combos because every bit helps. Have a great week everyone and talk to you soon.

Alice has food scraps. Bob has a composter. Share Waste helps them find each other! This week's episode has us talking compost with Eli Bramborova, co-founder of the Share Waste App, which connects people who wish to recycle their kitchen scraps with their neighbours who are already composting, worm-farming or keeping chickens. Now you can divert waste from landfill while getting to know the people around you! Learn more and sign up (it's free!) You can find the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Anchor, Overcast and more. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/practicallyzerowaste/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/practicallyzerowaste/support

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Also, make sure to follow me on On social media on Instagram add embodied astrology, so you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Taurus. Thank you for tuning into your audio horoscope for Libra season in 2019 Libra season refers to the period of time between September 23rd and October 23rd. And in this horoscope, I'll be considering some of the more major themes and messages that are coming through with your astrology this month specifically. I'll be looking at Libra and the Movement of the inner planets or the personal planets through Libra this month and how those movements are influencing and affected by planetary activity in the other cardinal signs those signs include Capricorn Aries and Cancer for you Libra corresponds to your solar sixth house in this place in the chart. We find information about your day-to-day functionality. This means your well-being first of all your health your mental and emotional and spiritual and psychic tone. How ready you are to respond in those Realms and your sense of wellness and balance in those places. Your well-being of course has a lot to do with your environment. And so the sixth house refers to your general. Environment and the way that you take care of it or don't and finally your jobs things that you have to do to take care of your life your tasks your chores. This may include the job that you go to or the jobs that you go to to earn money to take care of your life. And this is definitely includes all of your chores and the things that you have to do to take care of all of the various aspects of your well being and existence. Cancer rules your solar third house the third house refers to your mind and your communication how you think and how you share information and how you learn and have learned to learn you're perceptive capacity and cognitive development. Your 12th house is ruled by the sign Aries and this place in the chart holds all that is unknown the 12th house refers to Will everything that is too big or too opaque to be described or articulated specifically, so this could include culture at large. It could include Vibes forgotten experiences or influences that you're entirely unaware of but influence you nonetheless, this is also the place of your dreams and your deep unconscious. Finally Capricorn rules. You're Solar ninth house and the ninth house refers to your development of your mind your wisdom capacity you're seeking of knowledge and all the ways that you might try to expand your knowing for some people. This will include higher academics or education if you are involved in academics, if you're a teacher or a student definitely consider this influence. for other people this may include quests or ponderings into metaphysics metaphysics or esoteric sore astrology for some people this may mean how you look outside of your immediate spheres of influence or what's normal to you and try and put yourself in contact with difference and expand your perspective that way and finally this part of your chart includes the information that you get or perhaps the information that you are part of sending through mass media through Publications and through broadcasting. Throughout the next 30 days. My tourist friends. You need to make some important choices and pay attention to your health and to your well-being. It is essential that you really really really notice how you feel every day and how your actions and decisions influence Your Capacity your functionality and your Effectiveness do At overdo it do not text yourself do remain consistent and disciplines with your efforts. You want to find balance right now. You want to find balance in as many different ways as you possibly can very fundamentally find balance with eating and sleeping know what your body needs in terms of sleep and try and give yourself enough of it. Do what you need to do to make that time. I'm for yourself, if that means taking consistent naps throughout the day or making sure that you can get enough sleep at night. Please make sure that you are getting enough rest eat. Well feed yourself food. That in itself is balanced don't have a lavish diet this month and maybe if that's a habit for you in general consider a moderate moderation in your diet from this month forward. Important that you really take care of your body and what you're putting into your body now. I also want to say that for those of you that Trend more towards austerity in your diet. It is just as important that you enjoy your meals. So, please do look for balance eat beautiful food and try and be considerate of your food breathe while you're eating take some space to eat in as much of a undistracted way as you possibly can. Pay attention to your mental health. Are you spending a lot of time on your phone scrolling? Are you allowing your mind to drift into tangents that are obsessive or an erotic? Are you filling your mind with junk, please pay attention to how you fill your mind what kinds of information you allow into your brain or put into your brain and what kinds of mental activities you You endorse or take care of when you can practice balance and moderation in your health the rest of your life will benefit now particularly what can benefit right now is your or are your attempts at expanding yourself at moving into some new level of achievement or aspiration and the ways that you are trying to make sense? Of the world around you and apply yourself to what you're learning or to the big questions that you have. This is a really crazy time on Earth and a lot of us are questioning what our purpose is and you may really be questioning what your purpose is right now and how you want to use your energy and what's important for you to pursue if you are living in a more balanced state in your being I guarantee you that you will make better. Choices and that you will be able to more accurately perceive what is important for you to live into please let go of hierarchical competitive formulaic ideas around knowledge. If you're involving yourself with academics right now, if you're pursuing spiritual growth of some kind if you're really trying to open your mind to new experiences. If you are trying to either embody or attain a position of wisdom, if you are a teacher or if you are working towards some kind of Mastery on some level do away with the old models of what this looks like really try and be as radical as you possibly can when you think about what knowledge is and how you will embody it prioritizes. Experience prioritize intuition and prioritize emotional literacy and actual human connections do not shut yourself away in a library for weeks on end and think that this is the be-all end-all of knowledge. Let yourself get out into the natural world breathe fresh air connect with people in a heartfelt and meaningful ways get enough sleep have some dreams connect with your in Intuition think about magic. There are so many ways to expand your knowledge and not all of them are fundamental or by the book or scripted. And in fact, the more you can get away from very scripted or formulaic approaches to this kind of achievement the better off you're going to be and actually the more success. I think you'll find in your chosen field. Finally. I want to say that if you Are responsible in any way for participating with news if you're taking part in publishing or broadcasting or if you have some other role in media right now, your integrity is key. It is essential be diligent with what you're putting out into the world. Do not put out garbage if you're putting out content that is meant to entertain Jane please think very Discerning lie about who will be impacted by what you're putting out do your best to put out content that uplifts the people who are absorbing it and that speaks truthfully. Do not spread misinformation and I'm saying that because your soul your spirit your inner well-being do You can to use your platform to help uplift and Elevate people's minds and that includes anybody who's a teacher or anybody who is spreading or sharing knowledge in any way. All right. I hope that this horoscope was interesting and that you'll find it helpful in your month ahead. If you'd like more information about astrology in the specifics of this upcoming month. Please become a subscriber when you subscribe you subscribe. Bye. 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Bello fiends welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to another mini episode of nightmare on film street. I'm John Kim. This is a Coming Attractions a preview episode of nightmare on film Street. Every other week. We will release a full-length episode which you're used to and then in those off weeks, which is this week. We're going to release a quick little five-minute catcher upper where we talk about current news, which we don't normally get the opportunity to and then reveal we're going to be talking about Next week's episode to give you a whole week to check out the film's mull over them. See what you remember and and then you can catch us next Thursday for the full-length episode. Next week's episode is going to be called bed and bunker. No don't I'm not gonna tell I'm not gonna end of the year, but I'll tell you what the movies are at the end of the episode. If you want upset write them down on a piece of paper fold it put in your pockets that we later. You can prove that you knew the whole time like a magician. Would that you knew what movies make sure you get a studio audience always he's not in on the trick before we get started before we reveal next week's episodes if this is you getting really magician, so it's like it's a big curtain for a small too small movies, but it's a nice curtain. It's got Frills before we get started Kim in this off week. What is keeping you creepy. Well guys, I have some really really big news. I don't know if you're following me on Twitter if you are, I'm sorry, you've already heard about this big news, but I cannot wait to shout it from the rooftops. I thought a button maker button and I pull though the really stiff leaver on that button. Yeah, so I don't know how to use it. I don't know how it works. But John's going to watch the video and he's going to figure it out and then he's going to show me and then everybody's getting buttons company doing bicep curls with this cup of coffee all week to get ready. I'm gonna have where you're going to be so inundated with buttons, we're going to have buttons just like falling out of the mailbox. If we have your mailing address, you're going to open your mailbox one day just like oh my God, there's so many months here. Why didn't they put them in an envelope? They're using them as packing peanuts. They just sent me a chain link of buttons. Oh, that'd be good like playing, you know, we can start playing that game where you like, you unhook one button, but you gotta try and connect all of the other buttons like the crazy monkey game. Yeah. Well among drunk monkeys. Oh, yeah Barrel a bunch of drunk month. Yeah. It was really funny. I was so excited the other day when I ordered it on Twitter and I was telling everybody and there's already like so what kind of buns are you going to make and I was like, ah, I don't have play - I don't know yet. I have no idea but apparently came with free trial for a button designer. So I know anything about me. I have no idea how these bugs are gonna turn. I like when you say button designer. You mean like a piece of software like a program that helps you make buttons. Okay also pales in comparison to the button maker, but we also bought an RV. Yeah, we bought an RV. Yeah. We don't have it yet. We'll be getting it next month. It's in Calgary which right now. Doesn't exist. It's just a snow pile with an airport. Don't say that we have loser is encountered. I'm sure they're cold. I apologize. We're cold. Yeah, not so cool though. It started to warm up now like the dog poops are melting in the backyard. We haven't named it yet, but we pick up the RV in April and when then we basically just turn it into a mobile recording studio. I guess. Yeah, it's gonna be really cool. We're using it to get out to a bunch of festivals that we haven't normally attended and We haven't been to yet. And there's no Salem. There's a ton that I want to check out and we're doing it this year. Yeah, we're going to be dirt broke and dirty on the road. Here's the best part. I love peanut butter I made for this. I can eat peanut-butter sandwiches all day every day. I like a cool breeze. So the wind will be mine. I'm really excited though. It's going to be fun. I'm also excited to do a trip with my dog because she's pretty cool and I never get to bring her anywhere and She gets to come and she's going to Disneyland and I'm making it happen. All right, well burying the lead here just a little bit. It's Thursday with this episode drops and Thursday is preview day for Jordan peels us we will be seeing it tonight. I'm very excited so fucking excited. Yep, which means because we are unfortunately we haven't seen it yet. We won't be talking about it right now because you know past and stuff time travel does not yet exist unless it does No, it still doesn't. Oh actually this is something crazy today that do you like my time traveling joke though. You didn't even give it credit. I'm sorry credit where credit is due. Thank you. Very good. Very good time. I've read a study from 2011. They gave people a quiz and then they let them study for that quiz after the quiz and they sometimes did better and they're trying to say that it was ESP like versus people studying before the quiz and doing the test people that just took the They Mark the test after they had them study after they wrote the test. They don't understand. There are three sets. There are people that were just given a pop quiz with no info there were people that were allowed to study beforehand and took the quiz and then there were people that took the quiz and then studied after the quiz to see if there was ESP in the sense that they could predict the future where they studied and do better and some people did the problem the problem with scientific research is that there is a margin like a marginal Increase in the results like statistically they did better. But John did they replicate the study. I don't know if they have her number and that is the biggest problem because these cannot be replicated. You know, what else has been replicated the family in US good tie Em Right shouldn't have called it out. I should just swing with it. But yes, that's right. That's basically all I know about this movie and that it's spooky. It looks super spooky. I'm really excited. Also everybody that's seen it already thinks it's bombs. So yeah, I am also ready to think. Bomb we are going to be talking about that on patreon. So you don't have to wait that long to get our opinions. If you are a patron. So this weekend bonus drive home from the drive in style review of us. Yeah hitting patreon and you're also cream into the microphone for an hour you like all of them goddamn movie. We're also going to have a review hitting the website so you can get the written word. And of course we'll be talking about our opinions at the top of the show next week. So you can get our opinion that way there's like three doses of us. S reactions it's a triple threat. So some quick old some quickl some quick news updates from the website. There is a really great article on there called madness and be mine at the you totally got to check out about all the super creepy classical music. It's great. Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood trailer dropped. Have you seen it? It's okay nice film from when Tarantino the ninth very important number nine and they really held on that. Oh is it because it's the 60s and like the Beatles were all like number nine. No number nine. I don't think so. Now it's probably not. It's probably just that it's the night that night also depraved Larry fastenings Frankenstein movie recently had its World premiere at what the Fest in New York. We had a chance to sit down and talk of them a Frankenstein. It was a lot of fun. There is a review in an interview either on or coming to the website before the end of this week. You should definitely check out that movie when it comes wherever it comes. I highly recommend it. If you are a Frankenstein fan, we have our livestream Friday night if you are on patreon and you want To hang out with John and I and talk Us movie and play some trivia because we have some super fun. Actually. We have two different trivia games. Well breaking it that second one for the first time. Yes, I'm Mara. So we are going to be live on patreon at 9 p.m. Eastern Friday night. That is tomorrow night. Hopefully you're listening to this on Thursday Friday night patreon in the post section. We're going to go live. It'll be fun. Go see us either a matinee on Friday or the reasonable time on Thursday come test your knowledge and talk to us about that fucking It's gonna be great. Yeah, we were going to do the live stream on Saturday, but we had to reschedule. We have a baby shower. So we're doing Friday night, you know that time that everybody's at home and hanging out. Hey, this is the last Friday everybody is available before Joe Bob takes over and then we'll all be home on Friday night. How fucking weird that Gonna Be Live tweeting Joe Bob. Yeah. All right, you want to tell them what the theme of the well you already told him at the theme of this episode is it's right. I don't know if you remember bed and bunker bed in Bunker, but aunt bunker-like bed and breakfast. Stop bunker. Does that give it away a little bit kind of if you could think of bed and breakfast but bed and bunker horror movies. What's the first thing that comes to mind? Tell them? Okay, fine. We are talking about Misery and 10 Cloverfield Lane. That is right. We are putting John Goodman's I don't know what his character's name. Well, I'll get Walter against. What is Annie Wilkes? But what's the actress's name? It was the actress in misery that won an Academy Award for her performances, and he Wilkes according to Wikipedia a portrayal of Annie Wilkes and the She won. For best actress who did didn't say but the answer is Kathy Bates Kathy Bates to really great captive capti movies. It's going to be a really fun time and that is landing next Thursday regularly scheduled in your feeds on Apple podcast Spotify Google play Stitcher wherever else you get Nightmare On Film Street, and you can also stream it on our website at n ofs podcast.com. There's a little media player and you can listen to it right on your computer and annoy your friends and family 10 Cloverfield Lane is On VOD Google Play Cineplex YouTube PlayStation iTunes, you can get it pretty much anywhere and misery is available on iTunes PlayStation the Microsoft store. Apparently, let's go on just go ahead and buy it for $9.99. You can get it from Google as well and YouTube check out those movies. I highly recommend re watching both of them because they're both amazing. Like when was the last time you watched misery it probably wasn't soon enough but It from us in this bonus episode. We will catch you next week on Thursday. If you aren't already check us out on patreon at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street for that live stream on Friday night at 9:00 for our bonus Us episode Landing this weekend and all that other fun stuff you get for being a patron but I'm Kim. I'm John stay creepy almost died. You have a compound fracture of the tibia and both legs and the fibula and the right leg is fractured to and as soon as the roads open. I'll take you to a hospital meantime, you've got a lot of recovering to do there is nothing to worry about. You're going to be just fine. I'm your number one fan. My name is Annie Wilkes. The presumption must now be that Paul Sheldon is dead Dirty Bird. How could you misery Chastain cannot be dead azra spirit is still alive. Don't even think about anybody coming for you because I never called them. Nobody knows you're here and you better. Hope nothing happens to me. Because if I die you die. Something's coming.

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We're going on fairy family this brand new episode takes me to friend and Eva Priestess Chief. Keef has a lien aoife. Aambala who is a psychological health specialist and former Adjunct professor of Loyola University's graduate counseling program in New Orleans, LA and a graduate of Dillard University's undergraduate psychology program. Chief. Essay isour Dean and initiated as the goddess Siri Araya DV most noble goddess in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, and she was also initiated an ordained into the Asian and African High priesthood of Eva, which is traditional African spirituality in Ocean State Nigeria Chief serves as one of the diaspora ambassadors for the islet Arisa headquartered in Yoruba, Le Nigeria and today May I not only sit with her but also quite a number of her students of the hundred and forty who are currently at the ephah Yoruba ancestor orisha pilgrimage in Birmingham, Alabama. This is a great honor for me and I do hope you all are enlightened. This podcast is a little longer than my usual ones, but the information in this was timely and I do believe what we spoke about will be a blessing to everybody. Who is listening? So please get your snacks your notebooks if you want to take notes or whatever you need and get ready with me and for a singer for the afro fairy goddess podcast. Hey everybody, it's your girl and for singer from Barbados and welcome to the afro fairy goddess podcast today. I sit with friend and Priestess Chief Keef a see an ephah Shambala. Hopefully said that correctly. Yes. We are in for a special treat especially recording this week because she's currently doing a pilgrimage and she so graciously Decided to take some time out and be a part of the episode and she has some of her students here along with us as well. So this is more so a live podcast. They will be other people here listening and you know giving their contributions as well. So magical day to everybody if I say the students and sisters everybody that he's thank you so much for being here. It's really an honor to speak. Meet with everybody and I mean I have to have laugh and say the time for the interview finally came because we can't going this week the next week. There's like even today we had some challenges but we are here no and the ancestors are here and they think they do believe that you know both me and if I say, I need more ancestors, so the students are also here so it A very exciting time for me especially to have this extension by everybody here. So thank you so much. Even the people that I can't see in the frame. Thank you so much for being here. So as you begin, your bio is extremely expensive and that was the short version is Inca what girl got so much things why? Like all right. Let me see if I can pick up some things. So let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Okay, so your psychological health specialist and former Adjunct professor of Lon Loyola University's graduate counseling program in New Orleans, LA and a graduate of Dillard University undergraduate psychology program. She's our Dana and and initiated as the goddess Siri around Aria DV which means and also normal Got it, most noble goddess. And so my hand Buddhist tradition. She was initiated an ordained into ancient African High priesthood of E5 which is our traditional African spirituality more than that because I have a question on that and we'll shoot State Nigeria. She serves as one of the desperate ambassadors for Ali Arisa headquarters in durable and Nigeria and I mean the list goes on and on and on. On and on so I mean this is quite an honor and I mean what I have found with in your bio as well as that you have merged your psychology practice along with your spiritual training. And yeah, so how did all of that become full circle? Hmm. That's a really really intuitive question. The fact that you extracted that speaks highly about your fuel get perceptibility. I pray. That I would be able to do what I love to do full time. And I prayed that I would be able to connect them together and in some ways and the obvious was being overlooked the obvious goal was already in my face for being overlooked and it was actually my sister. It was actually my sister who told me I think you need to, you know, just bring them all under one umbrella in essence. That's what she said. You need to just bring them all under one umbrella. And I said I I gave that a little bit of thought I said, but I'm going to give it a lot more thought and then I will figure it out and down the line just after continuing to do work and seeing that our people worldwide were looking for more Afrocentric psychological Health Services. There was perfect because they wanted to know about spirituality. They wanted to know about African spirituality particularly. And so, you know, I present myself a certain way in public when I'm not in Corporate America. And the look that I have attract people to me who are looking for that kind of service. And so what began to happen is people began to I offered by offered a fusion I said, you can do clinical Western psychological health services. Are you can do traditional West African solely are you can do both because for me they're not really separate, you know, looking at the word psychology. I look at the word psyche and etymologically that word means soul. S OU L the study of the soul. And so I mean the study of the Soul clearly is a spiritual thing. That's spiritual. That's that's totally spiritual and it was in alignment with my beliefs that the majority of the psychological Health dilemmas that we experience as a people worldwide are rooted in some type of spiritual imbalance. Hmm and if we are able to identify that and spend time there. Chattering that appropriately then we can create balance in the areas where we lack it we can strengthen the areas that are weak. We can heal from you know traumas that were damaging to our spirits and damaging to our souls and so organically over time they began to become more one, but I still offer the clinical Western Services because there are some clients of mine who don't want to you know participate in traditional West African spirituality. One thing I loved about my graduate program was that it taught me terminology. I was able to look at the vocabulary and read the concepts read the principles read the quote unquote, you know, theoretical, you know orientations. There were supposedly created by these Western and European people and see that this is African. That's African. That's African created some type of Empirical data repackaged it and threw it back at us. Yes, but for me having to a traditional African spiritual background, I was able to really easily see the African principles and underlying Concepts and what was being presented to me as clinical Western creations. And so I learned I'm thank you for the Western graduate program because what I learned to do was use neutral. Jargon. To educate and build up on and offer healing services from a traditional West African perspective and also other indigenous, you know, traditional perspectives, but just you know, identify and parallel the equivalent in English. Jargon. Hmm an English psychological Health. Jargon, that's beautiful because that way to you can open up the doors for everybody else who may be on the cusp but still we'll have that that fear that is whole thing is bad. But at least you can give them the help that they need until they are ready to get to that next level are to that that next that what were some of the positives that have come out of doing these pillman pilgrimages like my whole town gone, but in terms of your pilgrimage and what are some of the positives that have come on in doing them a believe how many years You've been doing it. Well, as far as the actual pilgrimage is concerned. This is our second one. The first one was a huge success that we could not have even imagined for ourselves. We were just doing you know, what Spirit guided us to do. There is a team of us here. There's a bears an actual Birmingham Alabama team where we have the pilgrimage and all of the Birmingham Alabama team are students in the EPA orisha education training and development Academy. And so I went to a festival a pilgrimage in Nigeria as a part of my research and this pilgrimage had a very strong impact on me. It had a very strong influence on me for so many different reasons. Oh look at that. that's one of my students who was calling and his wife is actually sitting right behind and so so so the pilgrimage sorry, I was in a experiencing the pilgrimage. She was dreaming and having visions about a pilgrimage or something similar. I was also literally like she was dreaming and envisioning having a pilgrimage we were doing what's called a DSM. It's a special full MO. The new whole meditation, okay where we spend a lot of time writing what we call a visual script and then on the new moon and on the full moon, we do visual meditations on our pre-written visual scripts, and these are prayers. These are things that we want to have manifest in our lives. Well, she and I had similar ones. I wanted to do a retreat for the Academy. She wanted more people at their healing exchange time. Yoga, Alabama the healing exchange Alabama. It is an actual an actual Retreat and Locust Fork Al Alabama and she wanted to have more you know, spiritual group activities that were like the ones we both were envisioning. This is already a spiritual place. She was already going through to work massages and yeah being work and her husband is a sound therapist. Wow. No, we call it a media visual audio. But this joint Vision that we both had, you know allowed us to merge and come together and and honor their Sacred Space by by honoring our ancestors honoring the spirits of the orisha honoring Community honoring the spirit of our destinies by number one having an equal educational training here at the healing Exchange. Bama and Locust Fork Al Alabama and to creating from it as well via the guidance of ephod divination actually by orisha pilgrimage and so going to their website. It was just the icing on the cake for me, which is www.toyotaoflewisville.com. And I saw my core my own with my own eyes how brilliant you know how brilliant owners are like that I want to say. You know how the spirit touch them to to put their own unique Essence into this Sacred Space because when you walk around every every part of it every part of it has a power pocket hmm, no matter where you go. There's a power pocket in the front of the house where the plants are. So power pocket where the trees are in the front house. There's a power pocket. There's a area in the back where when it rains as a water table powwow. There's a A lake to the right. There's a lake to the left power pocket. There's wood to the left power pocket and their Center is like that all around the property. Wow, that's just the outside of the problem. So it's awesome is a whole nother experience. And so the pilgrimage long story trying to be less. You know, that is how the pilgrims came together. We actually we met each other on the psychic metaphysical plane. and then in real life, we began to have discussions and after the E5 divination that was a rap names that was a wrap and so our guidance this year was that we must do this pilgrimage every year we cannot let it die because it's going to benefit so many people more than we can even you know more than we can even conceive of at this time. Yeah, and that the pilgrimage will pretty much mad. They will have longevity in the life of the pilgrimage will have longevity and the Evo orisha trainings will have longevity as well. Bye bye Tommy Fluker. They're beautiful mother Mama FICA and their beautiful grandmother support generational home. Hmm. So there's a great grandmother. There's the grandmother. There's a parent's there's some beautiful very well. Well, well create a children very well created children. And so I have to give honor and homage to my senior priest. Before I go any further and his name is cheap. I did she not Olatunji artist and he is a very strong and powerful spiritual force behind helping us to decipher and interpret the will of the spirits each year about what the spirits want each year and what the spirits want, you know for the training each year. So we do a Did the nation each year on the pilgrimage and on the training and that that divination actually it helps us to see the spiritual profile of the event. It helps us to see a physical profile of the event and ceremonies it helps us to see various obstacles. That might lie ahead that might present as challenge spots challenge areas, and we're given an opportunity to appease the spirits in very Special and unique ways in order to bring about all the blessings that God and the spirit of that our ancestors foresee coming as a result of the training and the pilgrimage and also to apiece and averts any imbalance disruptive are malevolent Wicked forces that we try to you know, get in the way of you know, our progress in our success or you know, if you want to be more Street about it, I shine. Yes. so in terms of readings you you have a or E Counseling Service as well, which you mentioned to as well how I'm trying to wear this in such a way. How was that received? Because it's one thing to be in your community where your accept it and person said. Oh great. I'm going to get a Nori reading or whatever. But now you've broadcast yourself to the globe because we are on a digital platform and digital platforms. So when people see you doing these types of things, what was the process of like what did people say like, I'm not And to get into that that is not for me. Did you get people in your inbox crane you down? What was your experience like? Thank you, and thank my students my old pot on my wall if our princesses see I need funds. Yeah. I need to be babalawo to be they are saying that you're asking some really really profound questions. Thank you. What was it like putting myself out in public? You know, I don't really think about it like that because I've always been a unique spiritual being even from birth. You know, why there's a story floating around my family about his cowboy boots. Yeah. They say it would be like a hundred and eleven degrees outside and you will have those leather cowboy draining in them. People walking around the city and then a lot booth and so I think about story that they told me like that I think about them telling me, you know, you were like five years old putting dots on your face and you were five years old running around talking about my people my queendom at five, you know, I already had a mentality Heaven that my my brothers and sisters were my people and I spoke like that. So I use that vocabulary as a child. Regularly. I don't know where I got that. That Mom I don't remember anybody teaching me that is just is just something that was inside of me. And I remember getting upset about things that my people would do like fighting each other being bullies towards one another and I remember as a young girl before the agency and saying and praying and chanting to God. I want my people to get it together to be well my God I wish I could make give her a hug. But I remember you being this vulnerable when you were here in Barbados. Yeah, cuz you were standing it was it was like literally out of the blue and that you were asked to you know, just come say a few words, you know, and Baba on Friday is is always doing that to people like he's got a vitamin. He's like come and talk something like yeah it really prepared. I mean in terms of who you are like men men spirit gives you a message. Usually you don't even have any control about the where the where the hall are even the way because the purpose is a lot bigger than what you expected to be. You are just a vessel and every time I see who you are even remember you I always remember you as that person you you are a vessel. There is a lot of growth around you. Eva is true, even though at the level where we met late remember that first time I saw you at Pelican Village here and it was like we were supposed to meet. I don't know why but I just feel like we were supposed to meet because DJ my husband was at vegan cafe working at the time. He was like, there's a lady here who came in and I think you guys should meet at that. You guys would vibe and every time I went same similar with All gasp I would try to get there or I would try to get to you but it never really worked. So even the evening at the shop. It didn't really wasn't working. Oh and then I didn't even know you were gonna be there late. I don't even think you were supposed to be there because they even understand you're like, oh, well, I was afraid I was like, I was going out going to grab my stuff. Yes and That was going on in the room at the time because remember there's a lot of drumming there was a lot of prayer goes on for always opens up the door and pours ligation everything. Yeah. I was like this this woman is legit like, you know, you see people coming in and you play all right just about okay the person just coming or whatever but I was like, yeah, even from that level for me you from then until know there was a lot of growth Yeah, you and seeing what has happened even with the pilgrimage here and it's went into exactly what I thought it was longer. Maybe I'm seeing it in a reverse. Maybe I'm already seeing it has already happened that it was a lot longer. So I do believe that it needs to continue because same way how that lady had the dream and you guys were in two different places Maybe. Dee has yet to dream no to get to you. So the contacts those people and those people know who are learning under, you know, or an extension of you and the reason why you're here in the messaging first, you need to bring so all of this will be coming like full circle. You know, I just And Richard goes in now to my next question in terms of readings because you do do your Ori readings. But how many times should one get a reading? I've heard numerous responses to this from people who were initiated into the religion those who were not as well. And as well as some bubbles here in Barbados, some people believe you should just get one because that Your life reading and whoever gives you that reading. I saw you supposed to take it in but how you like it or not? That is what it is. But suppose it's something about the person who gave you the reading not the reading itself, but suppose it is about below or Priestess or whoever doing the or even afraid you feel uncomfortable. Should you get a different reading should you get a reading on something important your life your solar return like what should you do? Yes, that's a very important question. Oh, that's a very important question. We have to start at the foundation first and that would be the lineage of orientation. You know, what kind of reading and we're talking about eat by Unova readings. There are some things that are consistent. There are something that are overlapping which is getting a reading for very special and important events and Points in life such as making a decision about who you're going to date in a committed relationship or who what kind of winter are you going to buy this house? Are you going to invest money in this house? If you are trying to choose a business partner someone to go into long-term business with if you if you are pregnant and you're going to have a baby that baby needs a reason you want to get married, you know, before you even get married you need to get the reading about the person they want to marry. You know if you want to take a job if you're going job hunting and you want to increase your chances of being able to get the job is going to be in most alignment with your highest Destiny, you know, it would be beneficial and wise to get a reading if you notice that there are unique occurrences happening in your life. It would be wise to get a reading I get a reading. At a maximum once a month, okay, and at minimum at minimum once every three months and that's because of the nature of the work that I do and so that's why my you down fog. That's what we call them neat. But that's what we call them in the Yoruba language. You don't bother hmm and so for me because of the level of energy that I put into the e-file work and also, you know because I know there are non-physical entities that would like to obstruct the progress that I'm making by the grace mercy and favor of God all over my and I also know that there are actual physical beings that was sick to also do the same and so I I'm not just doing it out for me. There is a whole Academy of students who are relying on me. Yeah to take care of myself. Not just We and nutritionally but Also spiritually there are over a hundred students in the academy. The youngest is like maybe four years old and the eldest is now in the early 80s. There are married couples in the academy. There are people getting ready to be engaged in the academy. They are single people in the academy. And so I feel as though these edog guard not only important for me to continue to be successful. Cecil and following my Destiny's path, but they're also important, you know for my students and for my clients who don't practice it by either and I get spiritual work done for me. My prayers are very inclusive. They cover my students. They cover dilemma that my students are going through. There's a lot of attention and care and energy put into refining the cat the academy and to refining the academy year after year. Month after month, you know, there's a lot of thought that goes into that getting any doubt by I would say for a person who doesn't do this kind of work at the level that I do it. I would say the more high stakes of a lifestyle you have for example, if you have a job that is a very high stakes job. If you live in a neighborhood, that's a very high safe neighborhood. If you notice there have been a lot of unfortunate events that have happened to you and in a unique pattern that paternalistic fashion in your life. It might be a virus. That you get any doll far. There are a multitude of spiritual services in E5 is also important to do research research the priest research the Priestess call them and ask them questions, you know, we got to be careful about asking other people about people because yeah, there are some people who may not understand our interests and our overstand the choice is and we'll try to deter you from it. Well, one of the things that we have to do is learn that we came into this world most of us use The only one through our mothers moves even twins don't come out of the womb at the exact same time. You know, they come out one after the other they each have their own individual Destiny even even even identical twins don't have the exact same identical life experiences. Yeah, and so how much more so is that true for people who are just different not related to one another and so it's very important that we meditate and we do the work to be able to hear our own spirit guide clearly. You know and and and and make sure that I environment are conducive of being able to receive these spiritual messages so that we can be clear about which direction to go in in addition to doing the research on the priest. I seen let me talk with me in addition to calling the priest or emailing the first to have a conversation with the brief hmm, you know and taking our time to make a decision a really good pre should educate potential client very well about the process there. Getting ready to Embark upon it and there are some point that's our increase don't want to take you should take every client. Really. I had a man call me Brett spherical services and you know, I'm very professional about setting be appointments very professional about my expectations and very professional about letting them know what they can expect of me and he called the session and I realized shortly and so with that he was high on something. Hmm. And so I bear especially told him we couldn't continue and He said I saw your going to end this session and I said yes, I'm going to end the session he was very upset that I ended the session and I told him we can't have a serious conversation about your spiritual needs. If you're not a clear mind. Yes, you know and so we have to watch out for things like that on both ends the priest and another client in Back to the spiritual services. So you got e da ba you got cleansing that a person can get head cleansings body cleansing cleansing are you can't is not just any kind of cleansing? They are actually made with special prescribes divinely prescribed ingredients that are spiritually tailored to what a person needs in their life at a given time. So it's not just going throwing some herbs and some Roots together because we like oh, you know frankincense does this appear? Because we don't know what that person's Destiny wants. So we invoke and humbly ask the spirit of that person's Destiny. What does that person need for the success of their Destiny at that particular time? Hmm. So it's very very detailed very very intricate. And any priest who's just really quick to take your money and not educate you. I would say proceed with caution if you first OC at all and also to clients have to be careful about exploiting Kris a lot of times were very concerned and we're looking at how a priest might try to take advantage of us are haven't been trying to take our money but we don't spend a lot of time looking at all. The ways clients have the potential to exploit Kris. Yeah, what our time exploit our knowledge is what our wisdom trying to eat Bargain shop, you know, you get spiritual reading from one Kris. You're supposed to commit yourself to that priest unless that priest has done some really terrible things to make you feel unsafe or you know insecure in their present under normal circumstances, though. The priest that does the reading or the spiritual work for you is the priest that you should be going to complete that work, you know in entirety unless something happens to that priest, you know, they're unable to continue, you know with the work and so what you have is some people who are poorly disciplined poorly educated. And as much as they say they don't they're conscious are there woke, you know and they don't they don't ascribe to a European mindset. We do European things. We bastardized traditional African and Indigenous spirituality is by putting a spin on it that we want to put on it for our own convenience has it so we don't like the price that the priests quote a lot of times the priest and vines on the price. Yeah divination to get the price because there's so many little things not even little things big things that you have to get. A person's the person isn't going to like take all your money about a good priest or Priestess is not going to go and take your money and just going to put it in their bank account are going to buy flash cards as a bad Brad by below. But if the person is true and God you have to buy the things you have to buy the Florida water used to ride the animals you have to feed the animals have to buy the space to do the things that you have to you know, all these little things that you want to have all these principles and Tough they cost money at the end of this. So the real world of Flesh and Blood and these things have to be manufactured by factories. How are you going to get these things things that are manufactured cost a lot of money because they have to go and get these things especially things like Palo Santo and all these other things but Sage you go wait for it to grow and this type of weather and it has to be shaped. Like if you live in a place such as mining bourbon distinct stick between three to four weeks, maybe two months if it's coming by both, depending on what your dad like Thanks, take a really long time to get here. So when you have to go through all of the duties and and stuff is not even on the spiritual level of patience and waiting for it. This is right Real Deal of it coming into your space hold this the person is going to pay for it for you. And I've always questioned people who said over these things cost too much money. And this person is trying to my mom gave me and they they're trying to fool me or to the things I'm not going to do these things Bob late, but really and truly if you were going to the supermarket you were telling people that you walking in there for free or you won't understand all these things called get ya know things. Do they have to take into consideration. So I agree with you a thousand examples. Yeah, they are when I first started my own journey into African spirituality, you usually see the term Santeria come up a lot a lot more so than aoife. And I really do think at least for my small but growing Community should know the differences between Santeria religion aoife. Yeah. Yeah, that's a very good question as well it when we say when traditional West when traditional you are practitioners say we're talking about traditional West African you Luba, you know from YouTube land. You know Nigeria beneath that region of you know, the Western north western coast of Africa or western coast of Africa. That's what we're speaking about when some of our ancestors are professional African ancestors were kidnapped and brutalized and put on there very extreme Savage conditions and brought to various parts of the new world. If I had to survive if I was going to survive if I Will Survive I Will Survive forever and so our our our our ancestors who were kidnapped. They were mixed together, you know different tribes from various Villages were mixed together. Some of them spoke multiple languages some deny it. Was not just you know, kidnap enslave professional Africans who were mixed in the dungeon of hell that was created, you know for for us in the west, but it was also indigenous people that was already over here. You know, that way that we are outnumbered the number of enslaved African professional that were kidnapped abroad over to the new world. They were the indigenous people already there. Hmm. And so what happened was everybody was enslaved by the way, it's very immature, silly. Mature, you know and Neo fiddich, you know aggressive children, you know children and so what ended up happening was they all got mixed together under the gun, you know, I'm done by the force of the gun by by force of just sheer brutality and so in order to you know survive together. The indigenous spiritualities began to be mixed and commingled in order to survive. They began to be disguised and cloaked with coloring, you know, and and morphed and evolved as well into Traditions like on doble Child of aoife. YouTube are from Nigeria beautiful and venereum Santeria, you know child of Eva child will be for her child. Problem the you know western part of not Africa Nigeria the name that region Luke only which which literally means me just go Curry is a YouTuber word. It is a truncated. You know, what word it means my friend, you know, it means my friends looks like that the Africans from the area the indigenous peoples that were already in the west knew that they had to stick together in order to survive and sold. The spiritualities were also merged together, you know to create some of these children of the mother, you know spirituality if I YouTube of abuddin from Veneno who don't practice in Benigno who don't practice and you know, so It all of them carry the essence of equality shh all of them carry the essence of equality. It is very important to acknowledge Our Roots no matter which branch we gravitate towards. Mommy Africa other Africa is home in some people say we are not everybody's from Africa I disagree because I remember in my Western history and geography class seeing something called Pangea. And that was the whole land mass before tectonic plates at the beneath the ocean surface started to shift the part and create individual countenance. And so to this day we still don't know where we don't know any other place where the oldest living skeletal remains were found other than Africa, even though we have a even though we have evidence of ancient civilization that other parts of the world, you know radiocarbon dating they Dark out date the things that have been found in Africa. Hmm. So, you know, it's Mama Africa's Child research very well. I say this. Different people's Destiny needs different things. I was ordained as a Tibetan Buddhist. Priest first. It was my own Tibetan Buddhist Guru who not only initiated me into the tradition, but came to me so sweetly after he initiated me look me in my eyes and said follow study and seek out the tradition of your ancestors. Mmm after he initiated me in the Tibetan Buddhist priest. Loving very very loving man and him and his wife very loving people. Hmm. So I appreciate him for that sweet guidance and wisdom because it resonates with me. You know, I'm from these people. I look like these people. I love the food of these people. You know, these are my people I have visions. I dream of people speaking Yoruba, so I can't imagine that I would be more satisfied practicing. You know, what we now know look for me. Me to be or somebody had to be which is a largely practiced by people love, you know, Spanish, you know background and so before that culture for that ethnic background that might be appropriate for what resonates with their soul and there may be some people who are not of that cultural background specifically who also resonate with some Fatiha, but I say, you know, I want me we are all looking me. We are friends. Hmm and the motto Realized that we should stop arguing fighting over differences and realize that we got one mama, you know, we can we can really do some collective spiritual work with the child back in a place. Yes. Yes. Yes totally agree because they from Caribbean descent and you can't do that room here. Dad knew that from her. Okay? No. No, I see some things happening in America, like what? What? Okay. Y'all have a good time. I could not I could not pass the road and say good morning. No, I'm not said tell somebody Hello. I could not be disrespectful to any of my elders like just the things that are happening now and there are seeping into my community and my culture is from a global perspective because there was always this thing about Community you would go to work and come back and find a Fruit on your doorstep our Black Eyed Peas on your doorstep and you know who that person was from if anybody was lurking around you somebody would come and say somebody has been late trying to get into your home. No, no way. Everybody has gone away from that. The community has broken up into smaller and smaller pieces. There is no Unity anywhere anymore. Everybody's out for themselves and we who were already broken apart already are slowly. Fading away from ourselves. We're not friends. We're not family anymore. There are no compounds anymore for people to that community and everybody is scared that especially within the black community that somebody is out to get them buddy. Note to get you sis. Nobody know they're trying to get you that's all in your mind. What is the cup like everybody is very paranoid and it is Justified because of the history. What we've had I it is there the paranoia and everything is Justified because you go through this whole PSD thing. It is heavy it is heavy and it isn't hard and at the end of the day, we do have to decide whether or not we want that Community because that's the only way we can heal we can only share our stories if we heal we can only heal vice versa if we share a story is this it's a full circle thing, but I have a lot of things to work through and it might not be in my time or even in my children's time or whatever but it is it is a lot is a lot to do but we need to start moving forward. Otherwise, we're going to be here podcast over and over again about the same things and seeing you as fun as a priestess and going through all of these different things. I know. I spoke about this in our very first phone conversation maybe were you know, trying to Hash of what we were going to speak about. Usually you see about bulow's Mill priests at the Forefront of everything, especially in my experience in here in Barbados. What has been your experience being or rather your challenges being effect Priestess. Yeah. You're older mama. Oh she about to give the tea like she recorded too. Captured. Okay. Yeah. Beautiful and in Europe on land if I has a strong leadership, you know as ahead. Male presence hmm. However, if I knew you were able and also revers and respects the position and the roles of women as well as the place of women in oral tradition or spiritual sacred tradition and all Spiritual Secret history. Hmm. I would say that I have encountered very mature and wise men in Africa and in the dyes for who Stand over stand this and treat women and honor women and Reverend women and seek the consultation and guidance of Wise Women. Hmm and I have also seen the opposite unfortunately, and I know people like to blame everything on, you know European influence, but Europeans have left a very strong and toxic footprint not only on the diets or but on the entire bowl of Earth. On the entire Hall of Earth and their their their impact cannot be ignored. We cannot we cannot talk about any of these issues without mentioning their contributions to it. When we spend all their little time there the bulk of the time should be spent on speaking about you know, what we are capable currently now of doing to reset the balance again putting the child in their places. It's only it's only a juvenile delinquent the world like this. Yes or no, and so we have a responsibility as well and allowing them to do it. We were the Guardians the keepers of the Sacred knowledge. We had the wherewithal and the spiritual power to to prevent these things from happening in the world. So that makes me say okay these things were destined. This is a part of Earth's Destiny. Hmm. These things are part of Earth's Destiny. And so therefore there are there's purpose there's purpose. Sometimes sometimes sometimes it takes for devastating things to happen for us to really start looking at and valuing the resources that have already been in place for us with the role of women in aoife in the United States. It is very important that women take responsibility and know who Yard. Hmm. If we continue to allow people to tell us what our place is and we continue to allow people to tell us who we are and how much we're worth instead of connecting with our own relationship with the most high God and receive the guidance that God has to give us about how we should be of benefit and a servant to and of leadership to our own people. Hmm, you going to constantly have people creating the box for us creating the most for us. No woman can tell a man how to be the optimal man the most optimal man. He could be she can be a contributing factor and give him guidance and give him wisdom and no man can tell a woman exactly how to be the most optimal woman. She can be hmm. There are they are aspects of manhood and Womanhood masculinity and femininity that God made special and unique to women and the God made special and unique to me and my man could never be me and I never wants to be a man. So we thank our power and though we are first know we are first as God beings that's beautiful. Now, you've also started a school and we really really want to talk about that. What was the purpose of this school? Yes. Yes. It is the Ori Counseling Services Division of cycle chiral spiritual education. Yes, these class orisha education training and development Academy level 1 because we also have a level two. Okay, take four years to get through level 1 very intense training a lot of expectations but a lot of care and attention goes into developing the students the academy was created because I saw firsthand the corruption. I saw firsthand the exploitation. I saw firsthand the imbalance. I saw positive aspects of you know, Yvonne the West to but I saw Park Board that was heartbreaking. Hmm, you know, then that which made me eager to be a part of some of these groups. And so yeah. So now remember my Foundation is the same woman who was once the girl talking about I want to save my people. Yes, you know, I would chance of my ancestors to come and deliver me something more roots or African men what I was experiencing in some of the mainstream spiritualities I was practicing And so we ask my ancestors living on that and so I got a message from although demarre from God to create a space that was safe to create a space that had the principal and Foundation of you are fairly balanced and gentle character and that honor the tradition the principles and the the actual culture of traditional West African YouTube, uh from the motherland from those who practice it from a place of integrity. And in honor and homage of God first and sets of legs and all audition. And so those were the fundamental guiding principles that created the building blocks of the academy. And on top of that our goal is to create develop educate trained competent Eva priests who desire to go on that path or feel with character good character balanced character and who are filled with integrity and who know what they're doing. Hmm, and who are disciplined? Yes. Well, my next question would extend to anybody who's brave enough to answer. But I know that there are many families in attendance and you've made mention of husband and wife. There is the the generation of great grandmother down to daughter also being a part of it people who are single people who are engaged and whatnot. I guess my question is if anybody wants Open up to their ancestors get to know if I practice more but however, they're not in a position to start and what I mean by that is this you have a family who is still practicing European religion who may look don't know what you're doing and something that is evil or from the pun or you may live with somebody a roommate who might not be comfortable and you butt heads a lot with putting up Alters in your space people more or less. Pushing you back on something you feel that you need to do what let me break it down first if there was anybody here on the lave right now who wanted to speak on that if they had that experience what they did and our what would be the advice to those listeners who want to take that next step, but don't know how because of that push back. As for you, I think I appreciate it. I can speak on there. So getting on Google me me Uniqua affect so many know about which means my name is Yvette semolina pasta. I come from a family with a strong Christian background. Hmm and I come from a very close-knit family. Hmm, and I always felt like the Actually for the family, okay, I would also venture to say that many of the people in The Academy sometimes like have felt like black sheep in the family. And so for me, I never I searched all throughout my adult life for something before my ancestors and old to my led me to a lawyer's essentially who introduced me to to E5. Hmm and my family You know, they were not happy at all with it. They threw outbursts and different weights different things that they just were not happy, but I stuck with it and stuck to my guns. I went with into buying you know, what was right for me and then continue to build that relationship with my ancestors. Where they're heavy telling me what was up? Hmm and although the mind with the guidance of a lawyer and I continued that to this day I've been practicing for about maybe almost almost five years. Now. Wow what I say because my my family still they don't like it, but because he the differences that it's made of my life and that's undeniable. They see the blessings. I've been blessed in ways that I haven't even dreamed to be blessed us is and and they see a difference the other piece that I think is so wonderful about this Academy is that the focus on character is very very real. I was talking to one of the fabric Ola who is another amor. Oh-oh-oh. Almost I will yes if I'm called I was talking to him the other day about you know coming into contact with some other people and she said, you know, I honestly she was like it's not very often that people interact with those of us who work on our character in E on a daily basis. Hmm to do Daily Reflections to do daily work on how to get Get it, right or what we did right or how we grown on things that we set to work on is very very serious. And so what I would say to people who are thinking about practicing and who may not have the support of their family is that Your family will see you working on your character. Hmm. It's nothing else. Yeah, I said to me before, you know, they've been several instances, which my mom has said, you know, wow, you know, you are more peaceful than I am. I was worried that you are not different things like that and she's actually explicitly said to me, you know, I've seen you grow so much you've grown so much. I like that little religion you practice or whatever you so much. Saying is your spirituality is allowing you to grow. I'm still in the process of accepting it and then yeah exactly what you're doing whether or not do what needs to be done and you never know. She coming down even deeper into. Journey she may even come to you for help if she hasn't already because that has happened to me having parents and aunts and family members who were of age edition of Christian faith background and they would see me doing certain things around the home charging water and crystals and whatnot. And they be like we're doing like that. That is not what we are and I'm like, what are we if not spiritual people and they can and they stuck up with it and like the worst. People are the people who were the most uncomfortable. Let me say that and their growth before I started to do actually turned around and came to me for help. So you never know. Maybe you're supposed to help her see my even get even closer to her as you go on. So, I believe that the overuse of spiritual tools going back to Chief Keef sa everybody. Online in Facebook groups in WhatsApp messaging everybody goes online and does their research. I mean it's a good starting point. But after we have to come off lane and ask somebody qualify for these things, what are your thoughts on everybody using sage and Palo Santo and everything else? I mean, I've done a part 1 so this on the podcast everybody could go and check that out the one before this one, but as a priestess as a Chief what are your thoughts on that? There's the word me you don't buy any father would use and this word is called a way he we Airway. And it means lease, you know means me there's a very very special place for Airway leaves and E5 cosmology philosophy spirituality way of life, you know tradition and it is also one of the most highly guarded areas. Hmm of E5 Because it is the herbs belief. They are way that puts another specialized Shay on the Spiritual Works that we do hmm, the governor of the leaf The Roots the bark off the trees. The plants is called orisha. Who's lying. And each sleeve should be respected. There are certain there are certain things. We need to be doing to condition our bodies to purify our bodies Our Minds our spirit to also tone and strengthen the muscle the spiritual muscle before we use certain, you know sacred herbs. They are trainings that also need to take place before we attempt to use certain sacred spiritual herbs. Hmm these Groups are to be used for sacred purposes. It's just like marijuana, you know, it's not to be abused. It's a sacred herb is a sacred plant but all plants are all plants are sacred all plants have a special eye shade that can do certain things that can perform certain functions to assist Humanity. There are special words, and there are special, you know, Affiliates ingredients that are paired together are combined with various herbs and they are processes that the herbs go through to create the you know, the prescribed and specified medication. If you will spiritual medication for whatever ails a person there are there are spiritual medicines that we make for a longevity of Life their spiritual medicines that we make for protection spiritual medicines that we make for retention of one's assets and property. Spiritual medicine that we make for acquisition of wealth both tangible and intangible spiritual medicine that we make to help, you know appease and ward off malevolent forces spiritual medicines that we make to prevent one from being the victim of Gossip medicine that we make for helping people to beat, you know in just a litigations the list goes on and on and on and on hmm. And so with that being said about the dynamic use Use of the dynamic uses. I'm sacred herbs and sacred plants and sacred leaves. We always include that particular spirit that is allowed to service Us in that area via the sanction of all over my God Almighty to be very mindful to be very respectful and also to be very disciplined about the way we use are way even when we make medicine anybody, you know that there will be some times I dictate that says you only need to use five leaves of this plant. Hmm you only Need to use three leaves of this plant five leaves is that one ate leaves of that way? That's kids. Hmm. You don't go on pull all the leaves off the planet. Hmm, you know, it's the overuse of say just costing us right now, you know because we lacked training, you know, we see things popularized on television and we're so hungry for this spiritual connection more indigenous things that you know, we have a tendency to create things and say we're going to make up our own things and a lot of times people will do this gravitate towards War what's more convenient? It takes a lot of sacrifice and giving up a things to say. I'm going to discipline myself to be somebody's Apprentice. Hmm and study with this person. And becomes humble to this person's teachings. Hmm. It takes trust as well. We have a major trust issue. We have a lot of trauma. Yeah, not a trauma in our community lot of trauma and our families of origin we have trust issues. A lot of us have been exploited and abused by our own people our own kind. So yes, it's going to be very difficult for some to say I'm going to commit myself to someone in a position of authority like that. They want to check you out and sometimes it got commitment issues. Hmm. They say they want something they pray for they do these rituals to get it God brings it in and I realize it takes commitment to maintain its onboard with that because I don't want to be in it for the long haul. I don't have that level of attention endurance, you know and commitment endurance. I'm going to jump ship and I'm going to go try to Dibble and Dabble in something else. Hmm, and we don't really become a true true disciple of anything at all. You just mixing things up and we actually cut ourselves short from growth by doing that. I'm watching the students in this Academy and it's not easy to be my student. I won't lie. It's not easy. It can be challenging at times. But I think that they would all say that the rewards, you know from that kind of dynamic and teacher Apprentice relationship that I apply it actually has benefited them greatly. Hmm. I'm not a toddler. I'm not a you know sprinkler and very direct because I value my time that I'm borrowing hmm also value other people's it's time and I also know what I'm supposed to be doing any world. That's another thing. I know what I'm supposed to be doing with people who are coming to encounter with it. So that type of knowing with the with that type of knowing one one would be foolish to waste time. Yes, when you know that the time is borrowed in the first place agreed final question. What is it that you want to leave behind or what is it that you want to be remembered for? That's a really good question. This is a really good question. I would have to say doing this work. Hmm, I would definitely. I would definitely have to say doing this work. Hmm. Because I feel like the ways in which we have been robbed as a people are not only reinforced. Not only the things that have been robbed are reinstated, but we aren't we are empowered and inexplicable in quantifiable and uncontainable ways. Hmm by grasping hold of indeed credible indigenous or traditional African spirituality taking a seriously And and honoring our ancestors and helping their Spirits be you know invigorated so that they continue to serve purpose in their spiritual bodies and their purpose is to redeem and save and catapult forward, you know, and Elevate the lives of The Descendants that they have left behind. Hmm. They are not happy with us of. Mm-hmm. They're not happy with the way we've been decried not happy with the way. He's fighting each other. They're not happy with the way our relationships and our homes and our marriages and our friendships are sister ships and our relationship with our sons and daughters have been broken. Hmm. And it is only you know, it's only humbling ourselves. To the ancient wisdoms that will help correct these things. Otherwise we continue to be fed, you know diluted infraction, you know images of who we really are hmm people as children about ancestors and we wasting borrow time. Hmm. I have a firm believer that we have the wherewithal to turn this thing upside down. Because how can you fight Spirit? No, Cannon? No, right. No biological warfare, you know control the power. And the determination and the ever-present omnipotence omnipotence. Power older my God Almighty has anointed our ancestors witnessed and we have inherited that hmm. But we don't even know how to use it. We're using it to destroy each other. Because we let children yell us who we are. We let children dictate our movement and tell us what's valuable and what we should buy one which has been on winning over that shoulder tell us, you know, what careers you should go in soon. We are the more spiritually mature groups. At large that's on average because I have met many people of European descent who are very spiritually inclined but I am talking about, you know on an average and massive scale. We are the more spiritually mature people and that is a fact I even have European clients coming to me telling me that they do not want to European therapist. Mmm. I'm looking for Spirituality they looking for someone who will tell them the truth and they looking for somebody who has depth perception and foresight from a spiritual frame of reference. I have European clients right now who say things like this to me, huh? And it is a challenge to me to be their clinician. Because I I'm seeing the results of the destruction of some of their ancestors. Yeah, they have not only hurt. You know, Melanie dated people when you hurt any person in the world. You heard the whole world. Yes. They children are sick the old off imbalance and filled with pathology. They suffer into mmm. I will want to be remembered for doing this work because I put so much of my being into this work that when somebody looks at the work the body of work that I have done. It will make them inquire. Hmm. It will make them wonder it would make them start asking questions psychically. And once that question is planted and asked on a psychic metaphysical level. The spirits will do the rest and assistance and assist that person to get to the right place. So I feel like what I symbolize, you know, what the legacy of my ancestors then we should not forget. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Chief essay and sister and friend. Thank you for your time. I thank your students for their time and their attendance and their responses to the questions. I thank the school I thank everybody who has been a part of this seeing or unseen all positive energies. I thank my ancestors a your ancestors for being here and watching over us as we spoke and we learnt on all the different things that they have allowed me to ask because they knew it was a longer podcast than normal, but I do believe that it was very much needed at this time. Thank you so much everybody. Yeah. You're welcome for you and your husband we wish him. Happy birthday. Again. Thank you so much. Thank you before you both because y'all are beautiful couple of met you go deeper you are we are praying for longevity of life, you know Divine protection. Eternal and that the Trinidad and Tobago home with my maternal ancestors be a in a eBay in a onto a TV larceny by doll and Jo may all of your ancestors there and ancestor that you have elsewhere continues to guide you both and covid you both and and bestow upon you a very powerful I shade that makes things happen on your behalf. Protect your joy and protect my protectorate. May God Almighty protect your joy protect your confidence and the Rope around your neck. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. You have an idea what that means to me right now. I'm in this space and it's time you have no idea. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. We give thanks to God Almighty our ancestors and I destiny. We love you. Love you guys. Thank you so much. One of the boys chase. Come on be cool. Yeah Ottawa come up, but God I was loading. the bottom of my feet we gotta what a picture Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. That was beautiful. Thank you so much. 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Hi, welcome to covet where we cover all things fashion our pop culture with your weekly dose of women empowerment tune in for some laughs become more informed and join al Ghul Chad. If you want to join our Guild chats more after this podcast, you can follow us on social media at covered with H&K. Hey guys, Welcome to our first podcast. So exciting. So it is called covered with Heather and Kayla and I will go ahead and Juice myself because you probably are thinking who the hell are these people and why do they think they deserve a podcast? Yeah, we're gonna tell you why. Yes. So, my name is Heather Ellis. I am your traditional. You aged workaholic. I guess you would call you call myself and Kayla is well, hence why we are friends and I own my own business, which is just started up. I mean it's been in the making for ever, but I finally release with the way. Yes, I finally released my fashion label this year, very exciting. So it is a high-end luxury label. But we focus on slow fashion. So we're not mass-produced. We are always striving to be better with using like bed of materials that are more have a better environmentally impact and using like recycled packaging to post it out. Just like looking for any ways to make the process better because it actually is the number two pollution in the world and that's just something that I'm really passionate. About not being a part of really because I want to leave this planet better than I started on it. So that is me in a nutshell and fashion is my life and I love it. So that's why we decided to do a podcast but Kaylee you go ahead and introduce yourself. Okay. I'm so excited about fast cars. Yeah. Sorry. My name is Kayla Julia Wallace. I have been interested in social media and how how it all works and how it brings people together for so long like over a decade. I did my first collaboration Nasty Gal sent me some clothes when I was like 15 on MySpace. And yes, and that's how long ago were talking and yeah, so ever since then I've sort of like I was literally like I used to have a little hip top and everybody at school would be like Kayla get off my space like literally so I have not changed. I just adapted and moved to Instagram. Friends is still saying the same thing no fun anymore. Yeah, just no flip phone anymore. But yeah, so I have been interested in social media. So as soon as I discovered that I could work in social media, um, I went to an agency in just told them that they need to hire me and they did and I learnt everything that I could and then I ventured out on my own. So I've been working on my own in social media for a couple of years. Yeah. Now I'm venturing in the e-commerce world. World, I've got such a business mind. So just like everything I look at I just think of how I can turn it into a business opportunity. But yeah the same with Heather so Heather and I our entire friendship is based on fashion and art and Anna Wintour and Karl Lagerfeld and all of this high-end fashion. So it's yeah definitely like why we wanted to create this podcast because we're so both so passionate about women empowerment and fashion and art and just anything that's creative. But we also like wanted to take like a light note on it. So just like have like girl chat. Yeah on this podcast and just like, you know be a little bit of informative but like fun and relaxed and just like just yeah, I'll chat exactly. These are the conversations that Heather and I literally have so that's why I was like when we do the podcast it's like it's not even going to be work or like anything. It's just like generally us having a chat. Yeah. You're literally just reading out. Yes hook Messenger right now. Yeah, literally, yeah, so we just turned that. That into a podcast and we're just inviting as many girls as possible. Really. We just want as many girls to listen to this podcast and relate and laugh with us and cry with us and yeah, just like get a little Community going like yeah and just be like a little bit of vomiting. Yeah touch on some like topics but then also like mixed with like what's happening like in the fashion world or like, you know pop culture or anything like that Arden test all things fun. Yeah, so yeah, so let's just Dive Right In why not into this podcast so so excited. Yeah, we both have nasally voice has at the moment because we both yeah, we like things are stopping us from doing this podcast this week. We are committed. Yes. So Halloween amazing time of year. I mean you get to dress up and and I just feel like this year. It's been like much more extra than Any other year hasn't okay. Look just like so much more extra like gone of the days of one outfit and going around, you know, and he's like now that's social media. Are you? Yes, it is. Just like change the yeah. It's like seven outfit changes. Yes. So we thought I was quite shocked just with like the effort like it was so amazing and just everyone's outfit. So we thought it was a great opportunity to talk about it. So and we thought we would go through our favorites and then Maybe give them a little writing. So my first one I will jump straight in. I loved Kim K's outfit. I know she didn't multiple, but the one that I just was blown away with and just loved was the Elle Woods from Legally bottom like I mean re-enacting the video Monica like what and even through the T to the 2 everything is so So amazing like I don't know if you noticed it was like a pot plant in the background when she's in the pool, which is actually in the movie like I looked scene for scene. It was so great Haitian to the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So I just thought that that wasn't and she I mean she's gorgeous and she looked amazing. So yeah that was up there for me. I thought she did so great and she also didn't change it. She like just kept it to the true way that the movie was and then it's also so fitting because of what she's doing. Yeah. Actually with all the Justice reforms to other yeah, but I mean she could have made it. So Kim K. Yeah. I almost expected her to do that me when I was watching it. I was like, oh my God, it really is the same like yeah. She was even like in my sorority like with it that changing out toilet. I feel like that whole saying I'm like, oh my God. She kept it the same. We shouldn't try and like Kim Kardashian West it on really just like kept it exactly the same which is what Halloween is about like, yeah, you're not really meant to just like, you know, make it like the slutty version all I am saying like, You really need to like yeah, look the part. Yeah, she like really did like a tribute to him really and I guess because like maybe in her position with like studying what she's studying like she probably felt like a really strong connection to that character. We all have yet the connection. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like every girl has literally felt like empowered because of that scene. Yes, of course, I'm sure that that has definitely triggered a lot for her. Yeah. Of course. Yes, I that one I loved and I'm going to go I'm a pretty harsh right are like so I'm gonna go with a 9.5. I would give that one a 10. Yeah. That was amazing. Yeah, she couldn't have looked better known as like that. Yeah, but yeah a 9.5 by heaven, but that's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, and then I just like she did a few other ones and they were great. But like I just Like the worm one that she did. I just know like I'm there for it and I like I just I know it was like heavily influenced by like Kanye I could just tell like it was his Vibe. But for some reason I just couldn't look at it. It wasn't that it was bad. It was really good. I just couldn't look at it. You know how much I love Kim K like I am a massive fan a Kiwa belief a scrolled through Instagram. I was like, that's a little bit. That's what the hell is this Kim? I think you and I need to have a little talk amazing. Chloe commented on the Instagram post. And yeah, and she was like, oh my God so Vogue and I was like, I was like, I don't know. I was like she just being a sucker but sisters are for oh my God, it was cool. Yeah, like obviously it's cool. But like yeah, and I guess kind of cool that she did like, you know, she had that little Sexy kind of iconic one and then went you'll just leased out on your fridge. That's literally God, but yet me I just I couldn't look at it, but I respect it. So that's my little one overriding you want to get that The Flintstones though that was cute. It was cute. Yes, but we have a few issues about them to have issues with Kanye not Barney. I'm confused. I don't I really don't understand he just I mean it was very Kanye if he could be to be Dino. Yeah, just of course it is so very Kanye move, but no it wasn't making sense enough for us. We needed it to make sense. She's a little girl. So the next one, I know I like I'm sort of on a trend here and I usually don't go on a trim of the Kardashians and the Jenners but today I have so the next one Kylie Jenner as Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend Like I mean because that seen that movie that is just I love it and it's me and it's just like so old school. I love my old school. So yeah, I just was scrolling through and I was like, yeah, yeah. I love and like she had the guys around her and it was just so again, it literally looked like this Generations answer to Maryland. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think anybody can really compare and I've never known you like this Generations. No yelling but like as dressed up she was yes the that our that she was doing at all maybe longer than an hour. But um, yeah, I was like scrolling through and I just loved the dedication the guys in the suits and yeah, so gorgeous who's was on point. Point like it was just amazing. Oh good. Yeah, and then she did Ariel which was beautiful. I mean, she's she's so pretty and they have so much money so they can get the best of the best of costumes. Yeah, as soon as they do is going to be great. Yeah, exactly. But how great was it that she stole me? She just needs to be that was like 10 out of 10. Curious little a God she's so cute. And I just love that the internet rain with it with like the whole maze names of I wanted to be princessy dress me up as use mom then got um, I think Holly's like yes, I did. Yeah. Hell yeah, I did. I love that. Yeah everybody if I went to the makalah looking like that and then I had a little girl you best bet that she is going with dressed up as me. Oh, no. She's so cute. And that purple was gorgeous on I'm sorry. Yeah. That was amazing. Given that you know, what gonna give stormy attend. Oh, yeah. Yeah tremendous putting up with Kylie just it's like nine with a bonus point of one love it. So yeah the next one Ciara. She was awesome. See you dude. Yes, they do Beyonce and yeah. With the video like everyone did videos this year. Those are really dedicated. It makes me think like did they even go to a party like the David go to my Halloween party dressed like that, or was it solely for social media and also like the effort with all the videos like did they actually do it on the day or did they do this? Like yeah before like for like social media cred. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure yeah, but I love that was so cool. And I love say she's just great. She's yes, here is always been yeah. She's He's so amazing. She's just cool. Yeah, she's just the coolest. Yeah, and you know, it's like the chicest coolest. Yeah. She's like Glam boho. Yeah, um Croc like she a doll like sexy like like literally do anything. Yeah. It's just stunning. She is stunning here. So I'm a I'm a fan and she did great and also Wilson, like don't get me. Yeah, I was so good. And then when he liked was roughing the Jerry pot like for Life ago wasn't guys get into it. I like I really like I Where that gets up in the list and okay. So who's your final one? So my final one and if you know me, well, it won't be a surprise because I think I can get this one. Yeah, who do you think? Are they out? Favorite instagrammer? Yes, so Nikki talk about this Makita Dragon. If you're not following her go ahead and follow a dragon. She is extra. So Halloween was pretty much invented for her. Yeah, like really she's in her prime whatever like her and Brickman to yeah. Yeah, which sounds like a little mentioned. Yeah. That's true. That's true. So I like I'm a big fan of hers. So but she the heh That level with her was a 20 out of 10. I don't even know how many costumes she did like high changes to your EIN are like seven. I don't even think she knew I still run us through social media that she was even saying like she said like 7 8 9. I don't know how many like I can't even keep up with myself. So good. Imagine being that extra. I know. Yes and like you always she's really great. She really active so she and she's really Roar so she like You follow her with her story. So I like followed her through that whole week leading up and it was just like her getting ready and her like it was just really fun. And yeah, so what she did was her theme was women that empowered her in the comics and like all that sort of thing. So my favorite look with hers was Mortal Kombat like with her too. I have friends. It's like my favorite Mortal Kombat character. I've always wanted to do that. So when I saw her do it I was like, oh my She's just amazing. She really is just so great. So that is my top picks. But yes effort level from people in general is just like sorry actually like I just can't even imagine what next year's gonna be. Like, I know it's just it's really good. I don't know. How do you top that? Like, I don't even know anyone her. I really don't even know it's so great. So, I mean I was into it. I'm here for it. I just I just feel like social media has like given it That extra level of like people have to put in more effort. Yeah, because it's like keeping up with the Joneses like everybody wants to like show off how good their outfits on yeah. It's like I just feel like it's completely changed the game. Yeah, that's so true. Do you know what actually I was listening to an interview with one of my favorite humans ever and she was and for some reason Her Name Escapes my mind it will look at the description. She's like my hmm one of my ultimate so you like my brand is like she's my woman. Yeah. Yeah, so I was the she is the Heather Ellis woman. Yeah. So yeah, I was listening to an interview with her and actually her favorite time of year is Halloween only because she does not on Halloween time. She dresses up as someone else so she can go do normal things and not being. Oh my God. Yes. Oh, she's like at Halloween. I just like Like can do that such as live. I know she like wears wigs and caps and like goes to concerts and like is in the most people with people. Oh my God, and she's like really like, you know sort of like really down to earth and look a bit from improper and just like that. She just goes and does that like a little British girl? I like yeah. She's so cute. Yes. I thought that was cool. So I thought I'd give that a mention that she loves. She loves Halloween just as much as yes. Yes. She's amazing. All right. So diving onto our next topic Dakota Johnson went to so the academy put on some awards last week the governors Awards and Brandon Maxwell who is one of her there and eyes of favorite designers designed something absolutely stunning, like literally one of my favorites of the entire year outfits together. So yeah Heather. Do you want to talk about the design of the dress? He just I mean, I've never seen him do anything wrong. Like I've never seen a design where I'm I don't love it. I'm always like no love it. It's like is Staples like? Yeah. It's no more. It's just like everything. He's collection. He's whole vibe like he's I don't know. If you don't know him definitely look them up. If you're into fashion, and also he like on his Instagram. They post clean and like always classic like yes. Yeah. Sorry nice and they always post up like really good inside videos in the way of like how they develop the collection, which I absolutely Love like it's always nice to know where the pulled your inspo from like the number one collection. Like he really wanted to feel the collection. So he drove like the whole team of all the design team. All I was like 12 hours away into some like deserty. I kind of remember the place they were but some desert town and yeah, they stayed there for months and design The Collection there. Wow, I know so it's like really cool to like know those things and I think they really I threw it. So anyway back to the red carpet. Yes, so she just looked so beautiful. She always goes like quite simple a little bit sexy but like quite simple with her look, so I mean, she's definitely stayed on par but like it's really like just just that next level. Yes. Yes. She just looks so it just first of all if it's amazing, so that's why yeah who he is, but just like that balconette how it's like so I don't know. It's so wide and like I don't know. Like we're looking at a picture here. We're going to link it in the bayou just so that you guys can have a look at how stunning this is. Yeah. It's so gorgeous and just like the way that this skirt Falls all such a heavy fabric. It just feels so luxurious. Yeah soft and yeah now still like quite heavy and Thick at the same time. It's just stunning. It's stunning at the top so simple so simple, but done. Yeah, so well like you just can't go wrong with it. But yeah, so she looked gorgeous. Yeah. And she's great. Like she's doing some things right like yeah. So yeah, I mean her social-media I went and checked it as we after we saw her in the photos all over social media from the award show and I actually had looked at her Instagram a couple of months ago and she's had Instagram for a year. She currently sits at 2.8 million followers and up until last week. She only had one photo and it was just a handwritten note with a friend number on it and she actually has so in the description. It says women and girls in every corner of the world faced extreme violence and sexual harassment on a daily basis over 800 women and adolescent girls die every day because they do not have access to Reliable contraceptives and basic maternity Services goes on for another couple of paragraphs, but she goes in heavy and really wants people to message this number as it's actually her phone number like it's a Immunity for number that she has and she reads all of the text messages, you know and literally is really dead created. Yeah. She's so dedicated. Like that was her entire Instagram post. Can you imagine the amount of people that go on to her page and how many people might see that like using her platform? Yeah is just wild when you told me about this. I was just like blown away. Like I didn't I don't know. I don't follow her like she's cool and all but like, I don't know it's just someone who like flies under the radar a little bit for me. So I don't follow her on Instagram or anything. But yeah, like when Kelly was telling is I was just like what like show me I don't understand what you're talking about and you have what a human like so great. So like yeah, she definitely had like some sort of underlying dedication there. But then what we jumped on the Instagram and just when Kayla was showing me we seen that she's posted a couple of other posts. Yeah, and they're like all about sexual violence. Domestic violence on all of that. So yeah, we're going to put in so she's working with global citizen. So we're going to put in the links and everything in the description. So yeah, if you've ever suffered with anything like that or know anybody that suffered with anything like that, it's so important to speak out about it. And as women like the whole idea of this podcast is to bring more women who are like-minded together and you know this sort of stuff. It doesn't discriminate like you never knew you could be talking. Ooh Somebody and you literally have no idea what sort of upbringing they had whether they dealt with that as a child whether they dealt with that last week or yesterday. I really just have no idea because as women were taught to just like put on such a front. Yeah and just like get on with like get on with life. Yeah and look after everyone exactly exactly. So it's so important for us all to band together and really talk to each other. So yeah, that's why so that's why we really really wanted to talk about this. So when we saw her in this outfit, I was like, oh my She was like, it's definitely such a great opportunity to Yang all of this up. Yeah, she's just what a human just like using her like her platform where she is eight million followers. Can you imagine how many profile views she gets every single week and how many people would be seeing that it's it's incredible. Yeah, so hats off to her doing great things and yeah, like Hitler said, I'll put the link in the bottom. So like if you need a contact someone will also do some like local ones around here as well as obviously the Overseas, but yeah, like definitely look at the links and if you need to talk to someone please reach out to the professionals and yeah, you know that you're not alone. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, definitely and yeah, if you guys have seen any other celebrities that you know that are doing something really great or a better working with some really really great Charities and definitely let us know because yeah, we it's always good to just be talking. Yeah ways about this sort of stuff. Yeah, so we want to always like conversation flowing about really important issues. Yeah. So every week that we like release one of our podcasts will have this segment where we talk about just like someone in a platform like just doing something great like yeah, so we're just want to bring awareness to some great humans in the world because that's what we need. We need more good human exactly. Just keeping that conversation always happening. Yeah speaking of conversation. Yes, so Balm on Olivier. He has just released a new collection and he is doing the marketing campaign with Cara. Yes, Maya fire, but also confusing I know using and fire and just everything. Yeah, so I have been like trying to understand all of this, but I haven't really been able to dive that much into it. So Heather tell me yeah. I honestly think I mean The definitely friends, um it because they've done collection campaigns before and yeah, they're really close. I think even in this campaign, they actually make out which of course is a little bit confusing because because he's gay yeah friends and yeah just all kind of confusing but also she's been known to be gay at times to yeah. I think she it is. Just okay. Yeah, but I just think marketing man so clever I like just like Drag people it like I was like I was like, I was like following it. Yeah, I was like excuse but I was like, oh we got but I can't stop looking in the window bomb on like I need to know what this is. Why are they naked in a shop front what is going on? But so clever and they're great like together and he does amazing things as well. He's such a creative human being like he's just like also outside the bottom of my favorites. Is like hands - yeah, like sorry you and just been in the industry. Yeah, but he's so young. Yeah, but he's literally been fashion since they like data since he was like six. Yeah, so that campaign was really cool and like a lot of questions were asked but it was for a campaign that's just come out of their new collection, I believe so yeah claps to them amazing. Well done. They're always thinking of new things to Like that's what I love about Olivier is he's because he's so young. Yes. He's so just like so different with his marketing and like so Innovative like really uses so many digital platforms for his marketing. Yeah, and especially because like a lot of the Bulma and stuff is really classic and like they've sort of been like keeping to the same designs like a lot of the times even when I'm talking about how he's one of my favorite designers some people who don't really understand fashion or always like oh, but he's always bringing up. Same stuff and like you know what I mean like and it's like he's just he's really sorry Gigi. Yeah lately I cheated classic silhouette whale but like style. We have like some crazy embellishment or like, you know, looping through that whole like heavy military. Yeah, that military function was just like yes, I'm like cool. So he's like so Innovative invaded and like outside the box, but like yes, like classic you like design Sign em hmm. But like features about the take it to the next level. That's what I love about him is like he really uses so many different textures. So like sometimes it there might be like things that are all the same color, but there'll be so many different textures and it just looks so luxurious. Yeah. Yeah, that is really awesome. Like I love the Tweed the stuff that he always has like it's just so beautiful. Yeah. No, it's really close. So marketing. Yeah, so great, like people were confused but interested and looking yeah. Yeah. Very clever. Yeah sort of like, you know, they are totally sidestep here. But like it just reminded me of remember that song that Kanye did with Kim in the phone clip and then on the motorbike and it look like it's all yeah sex like yeah like bound to yeah, that's it. Like oh my God everyone like I know every did it because it was so controversial because the film clip like looked so tacky but like I don't like Screen marketing man like that song got so many. We need to have like a whole podcast dedicated to company's marketing because he's just a genius. I know he's like, yeah, so it's all sort of reminded me of that like a little bit in the way of obviously not as like But just doing something so crazy just to get spoken about but what I loved about it as well as like sometimes when celebrities do something that you're like, okay, this is clearly a pub listen son. But whereas with this it was so raw like I think they were just like filming it on like iPhone. No. Yeah because yeah, and that's what made it so like if something as well because they are such good friends and they probably felt so comfortable. It wasn't scripted because I was like is this just them hanging out or is this like a Marketing campaign. Yeah, that's what I was confused with true very clever. So applauds to them. Yeah, definitely so cool. So wrapping up this podcast because I mean we could talk forever and we need to put a stop to it some time and there's always next week always next week. Yes, this stay tuned so we decided that it would be a good idea to choose woman of the week just because we're Are all about like being, you know funding Drive in other women just supporting other women just women that I like making moves. I'm all about it. I just love it. I just am all about power. So yeah, so my woman of the week is the prime minister of New Zealand just Cinder. I can't remember her last name just in the oven Arden. That's the one thank you. I think my head cold is getting to me. Yes, so she's just think she's just So Graceful and gorgeous and obviously when you're in that position, like some people are going to be pissed because you have to make decisions that like, I gotta put some people off but also when you're in a position like that it's hard because people think that you're the only one making that I know but doesn't handle what beautiful pop it you really are base or yes entire. Order people making decisions exactly and just put through like the ideas that you want changed and then the board you all decided. Yeah, you work at how it can happen if it can or if it can't. Yeah. So I like I was actually listening to the radio station at work and they were talking about her and she has been there for two years and for two minutes she went on as very quickly about all the things that she's improved or changed in a positive way for 2 minutes and just like Couldn't play it all because it's like two minutes and she was talking very fast like a robot that I was making fun of but she had to go so fast because of the things that she's changed Kayla like what a woman like, yeah, and she holds it with so much grace to you like and like, you know that horrible time with them shooting like your way that she like it'll yeah being a prime minister or any sort of leader in a country. That's so Multicultural. It would be really really difficult and I think she does that really really well she does. Yeah, so She's my woman of the week. So hats off to her applauds everything and Keller. Do you have a woman of the week? I do. So seeing as it's the first podcast. I really wanted to choose somebody who has literally been my woman of the week for as long as I can. Remember. Yeah. So Anna Wintour she is an like my absolute just everything everything that she does like as soon as she came into Vogue and Even did before then. She's always done it with such Innovation. Like she's always looking at the future and I feel like that has taught me something in a way like we've always got to look at the future like even if things happen in the past, we always have to look forward. We always have to look at what's happening. Next. We always have to be a step ahead of the game. Like if anything's happening we have to act on it. We have to act quickly. She's such a great leader and in the fashion industry, she's just always making moves always making sure. Sure that every single person's voice is heard. There's so much diversity because of her. There's a lot of things are happening and it's honestly because of her like she is at the head of fashion. If you're ever proud of any moment in fashion when it comes to diversity or anything like that. You can thank Anna Wintour because honestly like the amount of diversity that she has had with women of color and all of that like she's just opening it with fashion. Like let's be honest. She practically runs the world Yeah, she's a socialite she is on yeah, which like influences so many more things like you think that you know jacket and a skirt is just something. Oh, yeah. It's like so much more. Yes so much more. So yeah, she's like up there is like one of the most influential people. Yeah, there it is. Exactly. So don't yeah. She's like my favorite as well as you know, because how can you not be in fashion? I love her. She also Drew Heather and I together as well. As soon as we found out. We were both fans of heard. That was definitely what started our friendship. Rip Hunter represent what I love about her is just how she she's just so assure and she's just sort of stirred and first. Yeah, but just like but gets the job done. Yeah. She just she always had got Instinct. Yeah axon things straight away. Yeah. She did amazing. Yeah, so she's a little bit scary. Like I've definitely watch it like the fashion fun and stuff like that. Yeah. People are like, oh my God. Yeah, but I kind of love that like she's just because she's not It to be mean she's just so sure and I just that's like the ultimate live up to. Yeah, like let's all be out of winter. I don't know if I could be that sure of anything let alone like everything I do is incredible. Sorry that brings us to the end of our podcast. So we really hope you liked it. It's just been like girls chats and yeah, we definitely like if you have any suggestions or like we said before the people that are making He moves in their platforms, like please comment underneath or like Messengers are we're also going to like post a review. Yes, please post a review and share it with your girlfriend so that we can have more girlfriends. It's so important to us. Obviously, please we would love it if you would share. So yeah, that's it. Please give us a thumbs up. Share it. Tell your friends about it. Tell your girlfriend's about it. Tell your dog about it. Tell everyone that you know, and yeah, we hope that you tuned in with your girlfriend's next week. And yeah, and if you didn't like it, don't tell anyone. Yeah, if you left us if you want to leave us a negative review just DM has and will change whatever you want. Just kidding because we're never going to change. So if you don't like it. It just don't listen so don't listen. But seriously, if you did love what we talked about in tonight's episode, please go and give us a review because they mean a lot to us. That's how we learn from you guys. And yeah and just become more informative exactly. Yeah. That's all we want. All right. Thank you so much girls. Good night.

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Hello everyone and welcome to episode 3 of wake up with Natasha. I am your host Natasha Mac. I am a spiritual mentor and evidential psychic medium and an akashic records reader and I'm so excited that you're here right now, and I'm just over all excited for this episode because I'm just loving the way that these have been flowing. I don't have a plan for this.Sewed but I know that everything is just going to come out the way it's meant to and I'm going to speak about what I meant to speak about according to what my listeners are really needing. And I just love how much purpose is behind each of my episodes and how they've been touching you guys and just validating you giving you confirmation. Ian the messages I've received have been absolutely beautiful and just so motivating and so moving for me. It's honestly it's confirmation for me that I am where I'm supposed to be and I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. So, thank you all so much. I really do appreciate any feedback you give me so what I first want to get into is fear how our fears control Us and how they can hold us back and how our fears can keep us in survival mode because I feel like what happens is. Our fears have a way of keeping us out of living mode. And I feel like 20 20 is a year of not only so much expansion and growth. But also, I feel like we're going to be pushed to no longer survive but to actually live our lives. And when I talk about all of this, I know that it may trigger some of you. Anytime you're moving out of survival mode into living mode. It can be very triggering and it can bring up a lot of fears and self-limiting beliefs right or things that you learned as a child that helped you survive during your lifetime. We learned so much from our parents if they learn so much from their parents, so There was a lot of like there was. A long time of Simply surviving, but in this day and age we are being pushed and we are ready to live our lives and be more present be more purposeful and mindful. So like I said, it may trigger some of you but I feel like it's it's meant to empower you in the most amazing way. So I'm so grateful that you're here for this ride with me because I went through a lot of that and there are times where I still am going through it like we're in this together. I hope you know that So next. Oh, yes. Okay. It just flew back into my awareness. So what happens when? Fear comes in and it tries to deter us from what we are passionate about or something that we feel called to do all of these what ifs will start to flow through our brain right? Like well what if this person thinks this or what if this happens because I do this or you know, like there's an endless there are endless amounts of possibilities of what Could happen like what's the worst that can happen? And I feel like we're so used to immediately jumping to that. Well, what will this person think or how will this work out? How will I even get there? It's probably not worth it, etc. Etc. But when you are about to do something big when you are about to step outside your comfort zone when you are about to create a significant change in your life, whatever it may be. B it is so normal for fear to creep in it is so normal for all of those what ifs to appear in your awareness. I want you to know that okay. What you're meant to do with that though is to not listen to all of that. Okay, when all of that starts to creep in or like even your inner critic starts to creep in it is a sign that you are facing resistance and you're about to do something big. And so what you're supposed to do is to just keep going to keep pushing through that discomfort and That fear because we never really get over having fears. We practice moving through fear. Okay, so you're never know. You may not ever be a master like a Fearless master who has no fears but as you practice pushing through it and recognizing that resistance as you're moving forward as you're doing something big as your, you know, doing something you feel called to To do you are going to recognize? Oh, this is a sign. This is a sign. I'm about to do something big. I want to share with you a personal example of mine. I'm going to be hosting. Well, actually, I'm collaborating with my amazing business coach Andrea her and I are collaborating and doing our first event in Toronto, which is about five six hours away from where I live and what we're going to be doing is teaching. People how to tap in to their own inner guidance and tune into their own Souls voice. And then she teaches these powerful life changing strategies. She teaches you how to like actually take action and put action behind those. Sorry behind those intuitive insights that you receive. So that's what we're going to be teaching. It's an all-day event and it's going to be life changing. It's going to be Mega powerful and I know this I know this because we Both feeling so aligned with this and with that comes resistance and those what if start creeping in and you know, for example, this is going to be the first time that I am I'm going to Toronto a city that I'm not very familiar with at all. Actually. I'm a small-town girl and You know this includes traveling there this includes being away from my family and then of course, there's other what-ifs, you know, there's feelings of what if I'm not good enough all of that kind of creeps in and I'm saying this because I want you to again acknowledge how normal this is, we all experienced this and a lot of my followers may not realize that I still have that inner critic. Nicht come in and I still have fears. I still have what-ifs coming in and that is normal. The only difference is when all of that comes in to my brain and I get flooded with all of that resistance and those what ifs I peel back those layers and I go back down to the root. And I remind myself of my mission and my purpose and what I'm passionate about and that is the answer. That is my reminder of why I'm doing this and why I'm going to do it despite all of those what ifs and those fears? I'm just going to keep moving forward with it. So I'm sharing this with you guys because I want you to practice this. I want you all to empower yourselves to do the same thing. So just think of something that you really want to do or like something that makes you uncomfortable something you feel called to do something that you know is a part of your purpose or whatever it may be. When you think of it and all of those what ifs come in and all those fears start flooding your brain peel back those layers go back down to the root. Go back down to your mission. What is that? Like, what is it that you desire? Remember that part because you can use that to motivate you to continue to move forward. Ask yourself. How am I here to serve? How am I here to serve others? And how am I meant to show up for others? Okay, because when you focus on service It helps take the all the other junk out of the way. There's there's an expression when you get nervous focus on service. So focus on the why focus on the mission, right go back down to that. How will this impact others? How will what I have to offer impact them. How will it change their lives? How will it improve their lives? All of that is a great way to remind Health to keep going And this could be with anything. This doesn't mean that you have to be a Healer or you know, someone like me like a reader or someone in this field. This could be anyone this if you're a photographer if you are an artist, okay, and you're really afraid of doing something that is outside of your comfort zone, but you feel called to do it remind yourself of how what you have to offer. Will impact people how it'll brighten up their day or make their lives easier in some way pay attention to that part rather than putting so much attention toward what could go wrong. What others will think etc etc. Another thing that I do very often is that if there's something that I know I'm being divinely guided to do. I don't try to control it. I can't I've tried it doesn't work. And that's another area where we often go wrong is that we get this idea. We're like, okay. This is this is what I want to do, but then we try to control it. We tried to control how others will see it how how it's going to turn out how it's going to get there. That's not our job. Our job is to listen to our guidance to pay attention to the signs to honor our truth and our potential and how we are here to serve. That's what we are in control of we don't have control over outcomes and meeting our own crazy expectations or the crazy expectations of others. We are supposed to listen to the messages that we receive the guidance. We receive from our own Souls Voice who already knows the way by the way, your soul already knows the way it is literally a compass that is trying to guide and direct you. And so when we re go selves try to have control over that we're the ones getting in our own way. Okay, this includes the perceptions the ideas and the opinions of other people when we allow their perceptions of things and you know, whatever whatever they're projecting onto you when we allow that to also control us like that is still on us you are making that choice to allow. That to deter you or to slow you down. So it's up to you to make that conscious effort to not listen to that. Okay, because who knows best your soul self and this is why I am always encouraging people to get more deeply connected to their souls voice. This is what my mentorship is about. This is what the event in Toronto like this is what I'm going to be teaching. Okay is is how to get people more connected with their souls voice? Because you know what that is the age that we are going to be living in this is this is where we are moving into this is going to be our new reality is people recognizing their Divine truth how they are here to serve. And that they have their own Oracle their own Compass within them. We all do doesn't matter if you're tapped in or not. Every single person on this planet has their souls voice trying to connect with them trying to speak to them trying to guide them and lead them. so now for 2020 or in a brand new year and in an amazing year at that for so many reasons, but now You get to decide who is the leader of your life? Who are you going to allow to lead your life to control your life? Are you going to make a choice today and tomorrow and the next day? To invest more in yourself or are you going to make a choice to continue to keep up with what others are expecting of you or what, you know the opinions or judgments of other people and how you know, like those have an effect on you. Are you going to allow it to continue to have an effect on you or not? Because this is a choice. You get to choose whether you heal from your past you get to choose whether you want to weather. Whether you are ready or not, that is all a choice. So I'm here to ask you. What choice are you going to make for yourself for your life for your reality for what your soul is wanting from you? Are you going to control or are you going to surrender? And I hope you choose surrender because although it can feel terrifying at times. It is the most powerful and empowering thing that you could do for yourself. Not only for yourself, but for everyone else who's going to be affected by it, when you choose to heal yourself those around you like the people around you begin to heal also because as you raise your own frequency as you raise your own vibration that is affecting other people in a positive way. So just imagine if every single person on this planet took their healing in their own hands became the leaders of their own lives started connecting deeper with their soul. Imagine the outcome. It would be absolutely significant and incredible. Okay. Now for some reason Spirit just pop something into my head. So I'm going to go ahead and share this next part. so I think I've mentioned this before in my first podcast episode my wakening how when we pray or ask for something? Okay. Let's say you're asking for a certain opportunity or certain amount of money, whatever it may be. You will receive. The ingredients the breadcrumbs the guidance to help you achieve that and to help you reach your answered prayers. So it's up to you to make that choice to use those ingredients or to follow those breadcrumbs. Right you pray for cake. The universe gives you the ingredients and that's why I again speak so highly about listening to your inner guidance and following those divinely guided ideas because you don't know where that's going to lead you and if you try to control it. it you're not you're not going to Receive like what like there's a risk here is what I'm trying to say. Like, if you don't follow your inner guidance that you are receiving. You don't follow those breadcrumbs or whatever use those ingredients to make your cake. There is potential here that you're going to miss out or not receive. Okay, so pay attention to your souls voice and remember that your souls voice is always going to be loving positive encouraging helpful. Okay, what your soul is voice is not is negative demeaning. belittling fearful. Okay, so there is a very very big difference here. But what happens is that other voice can be so much louder than our souls voice and that's why in order to hear your souls voice. You need to get away from all the noise. You need to spend time quieting your mind. You need to spend time in nature get away from all the noise allow your souls voice to actually come through for you. Okay, a lot of people think like oh, well, I must not have this gift because you know, I all I hear is the noise all I all I experience is the negative side of of you know that inner voice. But you do have that gift you are connected. You just haven't given it a chance. You haven't quieted your mind and released expectations of how it's going to look and feel for you because it comes through so differently for everybody for every single person on this planet is going to come through differently. So if you actually set the intention that you want to connect with your souls voice you will okay, but you can't. Put pressure on yourself and you can't get frustrated with yourself. You need to Just Surrender and allow by taking that time to close your eyes relax your mind breathe, like actually properly breathe deep nourishing breasts because a lot of people forget how to breathe and a lot of us are so stressed nowadays that we can easily forget to just take a moment to recenter our breath and to tune. With our breath breathing in itself is a key to unlocking your souls voice. Okay. So I hope that by me sharing this that many of you will take initiative and take a moment to either go outside or just spend time in quiet and just allow yourself to relax your body your mind and just listen and pay attention to what's coming through. It might be an emotion. It might be a memory. It might be a past loved one. Okay, and no, you're not making it up. That's the other thing people think that it's got to be like so big and in your face and it's going to be so you're going to be so sure that yes, this is real and this is your intuition talking to you but No, it's going to be gentle and possibly quick and subtle it all depends on what the message is or like what's supposed to come through for you? Or who's supposed to come through for you? Because that's another thing we all have the ability to receive messages from our past loved ones. We all have the ability to connect with them. But so many of us are so busy. We're so busy and we're so over stimulated and we're surrounded by so much noise and stress. So in order for you to tap in you need to Go in to your body and like get away from that noise you need to make time for yourself, you know, like take take a really nice bath and just turn on some light meditation music or something and just close your eyes and breathe and see how nice that feels and then see what comes through for you and it might even just be a word. I don't put super high expectations on your Of don't don't make it harder than it needs to be just allow yourself to be open to receive. Another thing that I'm feeling called to share with you guys is how the universe provides for us in so many significant ways that we don't always recognize and how you know, it can be easy to miss that support that is there and how we are supported and It's time for us to start really recognizing those moments doesn't matter how small or maybe you know, even the big ones but by beginning to recognize even the smallest moments where you are receiving support you are divinely supported something worked out so well for you. you know that that you weren't expecting start to take notice of each of those moments and show gratitude for it because It's proof. It's it's in those moments that is proving to you how supported you are and how you do have the ability to ask for that support. Okay, and you will receive ask and you shall receive right what happens? Is that sometimes we ask for things that are not meant for us or that are not aligned for us or that we are not ready for? And so those are things that you need to recognize within yourself when you don't receive that. Okay, it doesn't mean that you're not supported. It means what do I need to do? so that I can receive that. How can I be more open to receiving How can I Be more in alignment with what it is that I'm asking for because like I said, sometimes we're just we're not there yet. We're not ready yet. We may think that we are but the universe knows best. So if you're asking for something so big and significant, but you aren't motivated and ready to do the work to get there. It's Not just going to magically appear. It's not just going to magically happen and I have so many examples of this of me being like well, what's manifesting? How do we do that? You know I asked for this and I don't get it, you know, I needed five thousand dollars and it didn't show up on my doorstep what's going on? Unfortunately, that's not how it works. And and so this ties in perfectly with what I was saying. An earlier about okay you've asked for this you've prayed for this now follow your inner guidance and you may get this big idea of or even get a vision or whatever. It may be to do something big like maybe opening your own business or Taking a big Leap of Faith with something or collaborating with someone. but if you listen to that fear and you allow resistance to be what stops you then you're not going to receive what you've asked for because you're not willing to meet the universe halfway because that's how it works. We need to meet them halfway. So I hope you can see how all of this is so connected. Okay, I've personally experienced all of this. Like I said, I have so many examples that I could share but when the yeah, there have been so many times where I got so in my head of how something was going to come to me or how something was going to happen. And that's like not at all how it happened. I would try so hard to control the outcome or you know how I was going to get to that or how it was going to come to me, but that's not in my hands. That's not in any of our hands what's in our hands is the In that we take so first we receive then we take action and that's the balance between the masculine energy in the feminine energy. And so in 2020, I do feel like that's another area that so many of us are going to be waking up to is the balance between the masculine and The Feminine and if this is something you're not familiar with so the I'm talking about Energies. Not genders. We all carry within us the Divine masculine energy and the divine feminine energy. And so the Divine masculine energy is The logic action doing okay. It's all like outward. It's giving feminine energy is receiving, you know intuition emotional and being more in your body. It's more of an inward experience. Okay, so you may be able to You know how it's important to have that balance because we're meant to receive our inner guidance. So that means taking a moment to get out of our heads out of our masculine and into our bodies and to our feminine so that we can receive messages from our souls voice and then we need to take that go into our masculine and take action on those. Messages and the guidance that we receive so you need to have that balance of those two energies to really help you. receive that guidance and then put it into action and make it happen. Okay. Now I want to share with you guys what to do if you're feeling stuck because this is something that comes up so often with clients and students and even for myself there's been so many times. Oh my God countless times where I've felt stuck not only in my life, but in my business like where I would be doing everything. Thought I should be doing but I wasn't like there was no outcome. Like nothing was coming of it or things weren't moving quick enough. That is a sign. Okay. So like when when you're feeling stuck that is a sign to reflect and redirect your energy. Okay. So how many times? Have you noticed yourself doing the same thing over and over again to achieve a certain outcome? Okay. How many times has that worked for you? How's it worked out by doing by going about it the same way expecting a different outcome. That in itself is a clear sign that you need to reflect and redirect your energy. It's a sign that something needs to change the way you're going about. It needs to change your outlook on it. Whatever it may be so. Let me bring you back to October October 2019. I hit a block and I was really really confused by it. I wasn't getting any I wasn't making any sales. I wasn't receiving any new ideas or or downloads or anything. Like I honestly just felt like I had no sense of direction. I didn't understand the point of what I was doing and It's like I just felt like I was stuck and I was waiting for something magical to happen. That wasn't happening. So I went about two weeks of just this really quiet period and it was really hard for me to just sit in that space because I'm very much an Aries and I love to work and I love to be busy and I find it really hard to take breaks into rest. And so this was a very significant time for me, too. Get out of my masculine and go into my feminine, too. figure out okay, how Like what? What am I doing wrong? Or like how do I need to or where do I need to redirect my energy? That was the question like I needed to drop in right tune in and go into my feminine and ask like, okay, where do I need to redirect my energy? So I did that. And I received information that I didn't even I didn't even know like it wasn't even on my radar. Okay, like I didn't even I feel like I didn't even have hints to it. But when I came through it made so much sense. I was like, oh my God, that's what it is. I you know, I need to do this and it had to do with my business and me needing to really ground and Route my business so that it could really flourish. Okay, so there were some steps that I hadn't taken that I needed to take in order for this to happen. And to be honest. It was a really terrifying experience for me. Not only because it was just such a big step that I was being asked to take but I also had some past life memories and feelings come. being up at the same time that I was able to recognize so I moved through a lot to follow that guidance, but I'm so glad that I did because as soon as I did everything started moving forward and like amazing thing started happening in all this other stuff started flowing my way, and I'm so grateful now that I had that period of being Stuck, you know, and we're never really stuck. you know, we're never forgotten about those are just our our cues to go Inward and reflect and ask and receive and when we do receive Then it's time for us to take action and that's exactly what I did and that to me. It was all the proof I needed to trust and listen to what's coming through and where I'm being guided and what I'm being guided to do and since then now anytime I'm like, oh I need some guidance. I need some direction I go inward. And I receive it and I trust it and I really really surrender to it and I never know what it's going to look like. I never know what the outcome is going to be or what it's going to yeah, like I already said that what it's going to look like more emphasis on you. Don't know what it's going to look like, but if you just trust okay. Then you can trust that the outcome will be. Empowering or magical or positive or whatever it may be it's going to get you closer to your goal. and it is totally possible that when you decide to reflect to redirect your energy because you're feeling stuck in the way you're doing things is not working or hasn't been working and never worked before or maybe it did work before but you're not the same person now right like You can't expect to keep doing the same thing. And like be this different version of you and it to work the same or it too feel the same. Okay, so where was I going with that? Oh, yes. Okay. So it is 100% possible that when you go inward. You're going to receive guidance that you've already felt nudged to do or like something that has been repeated through the mouths of others. It could be something you've already received so many signs of or even something that came up for you a long time ago that you never did. And this is because they're trying to tell you you've already been receiving the guidance, but you haven't done it yet. So there's something else that they're something that you're missing here. There's something else that you're supposed to be doing or something else that you haven't done yet. And that is the key. That is the missing piece and that's how you're going to get unstuck. Okay. So anytime you're feeling stuck remember? Reflect and redirect your energy that is your cue. That is your sign. So one last thing that I'm feeling called to share that aligns with everything else. I've shared in this episode that I'm honestly kind of baffled by and really surprised by because I I'm just honestly Amazed by how everything just kind of flows and I just want to remind you that we're in this together. Okay, like for those of you who listen to my first episode, you know, that speaking isn't something that was easy for me and it was actually a huge fear of mine and look at like I can't even believe how quickly I've been able to speak and to have zero. Like previous knowledge of what this episode was going to be about I've been able to speak so quickly and to share so much in a shorter amount of time and I'm like, okay, this is weird. Why is this so easy? But like I'm recognizing this in this moment with you guys right now because I want you to see Like just how much I've been able to grow in. This is now three episodes Okay, so the first you know my first episode it was so uncomfortable for me to share and I was so resistant and it took so many takes and yeah, I struggled with it and you know, I wasn't 100% pleased with the outcome, but I knew I knew I had to share it. Anyways didn't matter how it made me feel I had to share it and then my second episode. I noticed how much easier it was. I had an idea already of okay. Yeah, I'm going to go into the records. I'm going to Channel about 2020. I'm going to Channel about January and I'm gonna you know, give like a energy forecast. But then I remember how the rest of that episode was all just whatever was meant to come through came through and I was already just so much happier with that episode and then it's so weird because when I started this one. I like I received guidance that okay, you're going to do it today and you're going to share it on the 6th of January and it doesn't ever make sense to me when I receive that type of guidance, but I'm not supposed to make sense of it. I think it's just us being humans that want to make sense of everything which Is understandable, right? We are humans. So anyways, I was like, okay, I guess I'm recording an episode today. And I don't know what the heck I'm gonna be talking about but I'm just gonna do it anyways, and so here we are. I did it and I'm like it. Like I said, I'm just kind of mind blown that it's happened this way, but I want you all to Oh this because we're in this together. We're on this journey together. We are growing together and you can experience this type of growth. You just have to push past the discomfort and you you know, you have to be uncomfortable for a little while. You have to push past fears and do it. Anyways right that I've spoken about that before I feel the fear, but I do it anyway. Anyways, and it's so empowering when you're on the other side of it and that's something like that's my biggest wish for you all to experience is what's on the other side of fear. You all deserve to experience that and that was such a huge lesson for me in 2019 is was you know. Getting those ideas pushing through this year and experiencing. What was on the other side of that? I pushed my limits. I pushed my own boundaries and push through blocks and I realized how Limitless we truly are if we allow ourselves to be so I love that this episode is being launched at the beginning of January of you know, a brand new month a brand new year a brand new decade. There's a reason for this there's no coincidence here that this is what I am being called to to share and this is what you're all needing to hear because that's another thing. I always set the intention that I'm going to be talking about what my listeners are needing to hear. So I hope that this helps you so much and I do realize now that I've said all of this that there was another point to this like to what I wanted to say. But to be honest now, I cannot remember whatsoever what that thing was that I was going to say. So perhaps it wasn't meant to be said, but I was meant to share what I just did. So I'm just going to leave it like that and thank you all so so much for joining me for another episode of this podcast. I'm so grateful for you all and I do plan on On making you know, like the little jingle or like the opening part of a podcast. I'm going to be making one. I just it hasn't felt right yet or it hasn't felt like the time just yet, but I am going to be working on that. So hopefully for the next episode I'll have one ready. Other than that you guys know that I'm just so grateful for you and I love you so much. So much and please if you enjoyed this episode if you found it helpful, please share it share it with someone who you know will benefit from it or share it on social media and tag me I would be so grateful for that. I put so much love into this and I would just love to see how it has helped you or how It has touched you I'd be so grateful. So thank you so much again for listening until next time. I'm sending you so much love and I'll talk to you soon. Bye.

In this episode I speak more about 2020 and how we are moving away from SURVIVAL and being asked to move into LIVING mode. You will learn what to do when fears and "what if's" appear and what it means, how to get yourself UN-Stuck if you're feeling stuck (which is one of the most common themes that I've come across with clients) and where we can go wrong when we receive Divinely guided ideas. I share about fear and resistance and my own personal experience with it along with how to move through it. I go more deeply into how you can receive your own messages and the balance between the masculine and feminine energies within us. Everything shared in this episode was truly Divinely guided and meant for my listeners to help you all where you are at and to help empower you for this expansive year we have ahead of us. If this episode inspires you and helps you in some way, please share it and tag me @risewithnatashia!

You're me as a black woman a black woman wears where the same hustle. You know, it's very good. I'm like I met me yeah, I feel the same way. So first off. I just want to say welcome to the podcast before we jump into the episode. Let me tell you a little bit about myself and what you can expect I have been in the business now for coming up on 30 years what we're going to to talk about in this podcast or things that go on in my day-to-day life whether it be as a manager whether it be as a consultant whether it be as someone who is creating products that's helping musicians all over the world. If there's something going on in the industry, we're going to talk about it. If there's a strategy that needs to be taught we're going to talk about it. And if there's some way that I can help get you closer to your goal. Then you're in the right place because that's what we are going to talk about here on the music industry blueprint podcast. Now, let's jump into the Sewed helping you navigate the music industry. Here's Rick Barker with the music industry blueprint podcast. All right, so I have excited at this episode because there comes a time when enough people say you need to meet somebody you need to meet somebody you need to meet somebody and this somebody for me was Felicia Ewing she is known as music Queen and she was doing some amazing and is doing some amazing things in the Nashville area. Just kind of a lot like me when I tease everybody and say we're not just country anymore. But when I had a chance to finally sit down with her what I felt was this servant's heart another person like me that loves to help loves to serve loves to teach loves to educate but also isn't going to be as you, you know, they're going to not just there's a what there's a lot of people that will tell you you need to do that. She need to do this and then you go great. How do you do it? They're like, well, I don't know how you Do it but you need to do it. She's another one of those that knows exactly how to do it as well. So the Leah thank you so much for agreeing to be a part of this and tell everybody a little bit about yourself your background and what got you to this point and then let's just see where this conversation goes. Perfect. Well, like like I said, I'm deleting AKA music queen. I'm a native Nashville Yin, which is rare because we're like an immigrant City Ball people migrated here move here for various reasons, but I've always had a passion and a love for music. This has been my thing. I always knew I wanted to do something in this realm but not really sure how I fit in because I knew I didn't want to be an artist one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I really didn't know about this whole machine called the business right behind everything and so once I found that out, I was like, okay, let's let's get more involved into this and I got started moved to New York probably in. Five just on a dream and a whim, you know a couple thousand dollars in my pocket and just up and moved no job no real, you know connections or anything and why did you pick New York? Um because at the time it was really only National your Corral AA as far as music is going and I was already in Nashville and that was very country music heavy and I was doing things here, but I couldn't break those doors open with hip-hop. Hop and R&B that I wanted to I'm not managing at the time trying to do shows and it just wasn't this wasn't the play it was it? Okay, so I was just like, let me just go to New York and just see you know what I can make happen what I can learn what I can do, you know didn't really have any major plans. I just know I needed to get a job somewhere in the industry and and you know, once you step out on faith and follow what you're supposed to do the universe and God starts to work on your Be here. So I moved and within three months I had a temp job at Sony label in the disco's department and we discuss is Latin music. So I don't even know what I'm reading or the songs and I'm working with but it's giving me, you know, inside track of what what's happening and what takes place on a major label stance as far as copyright and things are concerned and I'm an ambitious person. So I've always been like I don't you know, People say I just need my foot in the door, right? I just needed my pinky toe. I don't even need my old foot my pinky toe in the door and I would kick that thing why don't trust and that's what happened. So with the disco's was my pinky toe. And then I did a good job, and they asked me to stay on permanently and I moved over to the rca/jive label and started doing copyright clearance. I started working the publishing side. Yes. Yes, and that understand you though my eye and brain were blown wide open to see you. No, what's your favorite artists might be getting paid and what you think they're getting paid what they're actually getting paid two very different things. So, you know, I got to see those like, oh, wow, they're only getting this much. Right? Right, but the perception is, you know, looking a lot like the Instagram in the blue. Yeah makes it seem a little different. So I just fell in love with publishing that really just got me my wheels going in that and Dover right on in. and so from Sony doing copyright clearance, I moved over to Emi and started doing licensing mechanical licensure for Mi publishing and explain to someone what a mechanical license mechanical is the I guess you could say the physical, you know or the dpd now since I miss this era of the Hanks is the actual download is not the stream is the actual download and any kind of physical product vinyl CD things like that and there is a Eat that is established from outside entities. Other than the label the seat CB copyright board sets the rate and right now it's nine point one six nine one for a long time for a long time and how that works is that nine cents is divided by all people who contribute to a song right basically and you divide that up and based on your percentage and so will teach you for a second. So for those of you that stand the radio side that 9.1 on the radio side is divided up only between the Publishers and the songwriters, right? It wasn't until actually here at Nashville Scott borchetta went and worked out separate deals with I heart to get the label and the artist paid the owner of the Masters because the labels would only be able to generate income in the old model from the Mechanicals. They weren't able to get them. Other way, so with the decline of CD sales with the decline of downloads. That's why the record companies started coming in and doing 360 deals because they wanted to participate in other areas since they were actually the bank since they were the ones funding it since it was the artist who was going in debt, but they were the last two entities to be paid. They decided that they wanted to come in and change some things and then that's how the streaming companies came and said, hey label an artist will pay you more than will pay the publication the The writers and we're in a dysfunctional business. Yes, but I just wanted to take this opportunity to teach a quick little bit. But so is you're going to with Sony ATV what brought you back to Nashville? It was just time I did about five and a half years up in New York and you know snow and missing family all kind of state income tax. Yeah, all of that kind of plate apart and was like, okay I've come I've survived New York they say if you can make it. You can make it anywhere true. I think so. Okay. I definitely think so unless you know, I'm just some kind of special person that you know, but I don't I don't think that I think hard work and determination and following your dreams and goals you can do that. And so that's what happened but it was time for me to come back and when I came back I was actually kind of burnt out on music business and things like that. So I just went to work and all this extra stuff that I'm doing now was like not on my radar not a priority. E or anything like that. So let's talk about this extra stuff and let's talk about how it became. Yeah, I already because there's a lot of people that talk about wanting to do things and there's very few that actually do and I tell people I said, I've made a fortune plagiarizing lazy people, you know, because I may not be the first person to write but I'm always the first to finish it. Yeah, you know what I got the reputation of being a finisher you seem to be that same. Yeah. Yeah. It just so happened your me as a black woman a black woman. Here's where the same hustle. You know, it's very good. Like I met me. Yeah, how about feel the same way. There you go. Well, it happened because I was just going to work and a friend of mine is a producer and he was like, I need your help, you know with this publishing. I don't understand it and I was like, you know quite frankly. No, I'm not interested. I've kind of dealt this I'm working. You know, I'm good and it took about two or three asks over a period of time. Finally. He just caught me at the right day in the right moment. And I was just like, all right, fine. I'll do it, but I can't just say I'm gonna do something and did not put all of my energy. That's why you didn't accept it in the beginning because you don't do things happen right way right? It's either All or Nothing. Yeah, a lot of times people take offense to that because they know they may well it would only take me an hour. Yeah, but it would probably take you three hours because you're doing it the right way, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay, so I get that. Yeah you if you're diving in your I'm gonna I've got your all that can't I can't not make sense do it. So once once I decided that and I got out and began to see because if I'm going to do some okay, we need to get out. We need to meet new people. You know, it's a new city. I've been in New York, you know, and I'm back here in Nashville. So I kind of have to get re acquainted per se and once I got out I was like, oh wow, this is a Different Nashville, there's Hip Hop shows going on. There's Farm be shows going on. There's venues that I tried to go to, you know, five and six years ago. We couldn't have a show they're having shows now. So I'm now I'm like, okay. Wow, there's a new there's a new ball game. Let's get this game plan sure been running and so it is kind of an organ. It was just kind of happening. It wasn't any Organization. No. No, it was just kind of happening and I just started to feel like okay. There's a lot of People moving in town, but this is my town. I'm a native. I'm from here and I've been trying to do this. So I need to be one of the Pioneers in helping what's happened here happened in the Urban Music Community because it's one thing, you know for it to be country music and this that and the third but it's another thing when there's an underserved Community that's involved in music as well and this great talent, but they're not getting the look sure and the opportunity and the Notoriety, and so that's where I saw the most need and what I could do and how I can just help and plus it's again. It's my city. I don't want somebody from LA to come in and you know saying yeah that's happening in a lot of the reason that you know, it's like I always tell people it's like Nashville because of where we're located one. We have no state income tax to we've got great schools. My friends will come and visit. I'm from California say man. Everybody's got their teeth. Well, they're just a bunch of And you to New Yorkers. We taught manners to yeah, you know, it's like it's a very creative town. It's like you can take ten meetings in a day. Yeah in Nashville where you could only take two right loss and right, but when I was working at idle, I would take the 7:30 flight out of Nashville. I would be on the CBS lot at 11:30 in the morning because of the time difference. Yeah. I'm in Chicago in an hour. We're in Atlanta right? You hours. All right, New York. Great two hours, Miami. Yeah two hours. We are a great place. It's also a great place for touring because I love the fact that you can hit like ten States right and just a short amount of time by way of vehicle. This creative Community here is absolutely amazing because now with technology Timberland can be yeah in LA and he'll Factor can be in Miami and they can work together on a try. Absolutely. It's like so now that we've been given this opportunity to help show these kids that there's this place now to Showcase your talent, but what I started Seeing and this is what I loved about what the services that you are offering on your website. So my big thing was you go you go create it. I'll teach you how to get rid of it. So I'm teaching people social media. They're building all these numbers. They're getting their music out there and then I'll ask them questions like so how much how much did you make on that? I saw you got this play on Radio Disney and their life and I haven't got a check yet. I'm like that was like nine months ago, right? You didn't get your soundexchange check and they're like What's Happening exchanged and I'm Like okay, so I've been teaching you how to get rid of it, but we never taught you how to get it. Yeah, those registered probably yeah, there's money out there but we have to know who to pay. Yeah, and and they're not going to track you down. You have to let her know and what a lot of people don't understand is I like well, I'm with ASCAP around with BMI, right? They don't collect money for my heart. Yeah Sirius XM and internet radio. It's like my people don't even really understand that because when I talk to creators and I say, okay. Who does your publishing who does that? Oh, I'm with ASCAP and well as sorry, I hate to break that to you. So maybe I just do yourself as a publisher and they most have not they've only registered as a writer and they don't even really understand how to do a registration online. You know, they've just kind of signed up because that's just what it is reported that they just heard. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm supposed to get with ASCAP or BMI, you know, and that that's the extent of Of what they they know what I've shared with them. As I said, there's this also a little box from CD baby. There's companies out there that will do but you have to check the box. Yeah. They just can't determine decide. They're going to act as your pleasure. Yeah. What do you mean? I'm my own publisher. I don't have a publishing deal. You all have publishing deals. You you are the father sir. So set yourself up as a business thing, right that service then has that's kind of like its it can take them hours to do it or it could take you an hour, right? Do as I tell people you pay for your time, you know, there's nothing technical that I know the right. Yeah go online and buy exactly go on and learn you could do all this stuff do it, but what you can't but I was tell people and I try to say this very humbly as I said listen, you can't have my experience. I'll lease it to you, right? You can't go out and duplicate what Taylor? Yeah, you can't go out of duplicate what the LIE has done you but you have the ability to borrow our knowledge or lease our knowledge. What we save you is headache. Well we save you is heartache. Well we save used is it's like I have these people that come to me and this pains me. I'll speak on stage come up. Oh my gosh, man. I wish I would have met you 10 years ago, and I'm like, you know what? I probably couldn't help you 10 years ago 10 years ago was a good old boy. Yeah working. I'm not a good old one ten years ago the technology that I'm teaching you now. Wasn't there so learn it when you learn it, but then be sure to implement that you use it. Yeah, what's been the biggest frustration when it comes to promoting hip hop in Nashville. Um, the promotion is not the thing. It's the follow-through from the business Community because that's my biggest frustration and explain so, you know, we can get people and I come across some what you're doing is great for the community. We love Love it. Keep it up. But I'm like, okay. What kind of deal can we make? What are you willing to contribute to this? Are you willing to open up and do a publishing deal? Are you willing to do a record deal? Are you willing to give us sink or whatever the case may be? That's that's my frustration. Don't pat me on the back and say do it. You're doing a great job Pat me on the back and say hey, let's do business, right? You know that that's my personal frustration. So let me ask you this. So let's play The therapist for a sec. Okay, if they're okay lay down. All right what so one of the things that I spent a lot of time on what psychology and human behavior? Okay as these businesses everyone's asking them for something. Everyone has a story everyone has the next thing ya what has this? So what I started doing was coming in and finding ways that go back to your Pinky toe story say okay what? I don't need an advance. Hmm, right? I don't need admin help right I could do that. I don't I don't need your money. I don't need your admin. Help. What I need is your relationships? Yeah, I need is someone that can help me open a door? What kind of deal could we structure the right an official to both of us? All I need you is to introduce me one time. Yeah, that's all I need you to do. Yeah. I don't I don't because what people here in this town. Especially no matter what genre it is is when we show up they go more work. Yeah, I don't most of them are underpaid. Yeah, most of them are overworked. Yeah, because you enter in. Yeah exactly. So when you can flip the script and say listen, I so much appreciate the support that you've been given to us. Here's exactly what I need. And then what you tell them what you don't need or the things that they think that would be the thing of like who will shit if you don't need that. Yeah. I'm all in. Yeah. It's like I just need an internet. Reduction, you know, I know that you are not in a position to do this because if you were you would now you're kind of thrown it on them to guilt a little bit too. Damn I could do this but you know, but here's here's exactly what it is that I need and then start with that. Okay, and then go back and ask for a little bit more, you know, it's like because you you relieve a lot of their work because of what you know, how oh, yeah, so when I was in radio and I got hired by big machine records, I would go in and people are like, how is You're getting these radio stations to do all this stuff I said is because I was them I know yeah, yeah. Yeah much work. They're doing I show up with it already built. They just got to insert call letters of put it on the air, right? I've done the production. I've got the ideas. I've done the research. I've done all this stuff. So I think because you're one of the very few that has the skill set that you could do a lot of the jobs. Yeah of the people you're approaching. Oh, yeah, you just need their bank that or you need their connection and that's the approach. I would okay with this is They look I'll take all this off the table. Here's what I need to do. And this is what we're willing to participate deal. No deal. All right, perfect. I'll tell ya I have a I have a lot of people, you know, it's one of those things. I laugh it's it's frustrating because I can go to Toronto and I'll sell out of bed you right? I'm here in Nashville. Yeah crickets. Yeah. It's like everybody here has this expectation entitlement. Yeah model. Do you run into that and Hip Hop side to side? Yeah, it's a thing of you serve your community and as they are expected and then it's like most of my most of my clients are like you said New York, you know Jersey they none of my clients that are on paper are in Nashville. Mostly okay, they are external and they've come from word of mouth and things like that. So, I think it's a thing of your Family, you know, it's like, you know, that's just my my sister, you know, there's that but your sister is looked at like a major player from somebody outside. So I think that's kind of what it is with in the the the city of you know, if you're here and your community is here. It's like oh I got access to you anytime or anything like that. So I don't put as much emphasis on needing to come Giada about it because You're always here. You always around your accessible kind of right situation. You can fix that. Like I did it's like I only meet with clients who have come into my world. So yeah, if they've purchased one of my programs they're the only ones that are allowed to get consultation time. And the reason that I tell people that is because I learned the hard way every dad and their daughter wanted to pick my brain and take me to lunch. Then I would give them all this work that needed to get done they would ever do it. Yeah, and it was because all they wanted me to say was oh my gosh, I think your daughter's great. I'll introduce you to Mike Scott borchetta and Andy Goodman. Yeah, that's usually not the case. Right? Most of them aren't ready there needs to be this development. So I'm like I can buy my own lunch, you know, it's like an I can never get that time back. Right? What I tell people is that what I'm going to tell you there's work that's going to need to be done. I need to make sure you have the right tools so that way you're not wasting your $300 to sit down with Yeah, well, I'm not wasting that our because I learned a long time ago not all monies the right money, right just because someone can afford your time doesn't mean you want to spend time with them. That's right. Who yeah, I wish I had that lesson go back a long time ago, but I think what's interesting with what it is that you do is that you're providing a much-needed service on the front end. Yeah, that's going to allow them to get back in. Yeah, so talk a little bit about what you're doing with your own company right from now on how we could drive to no matter where you are in the world. That's right. You know, that's right. It's all Universal. That's right. So my my business is publishing Administration so and it can also be publishing depending on where you at and what you're comfortable with sure. So I try to explain it to people is that you own the Pizza Hut, it's your business. You're hiring me to come in and manage you you know, you want me to set the schedules for everybody things like that, but I am not the owner of your business. So it's the same thing. With the publishing you are the owner of your publishing. You're going to hire me to come in and do the paperwork and make sure everything is set up properly so that when your song is getting played or streamed or something like that, you can just know that everything has been done on the on the front end so that when it comes time, you'll be able to be in a position to collect and that's making sure you're registered as a publisher and a writer with your PR. Oh, make sure you have a PR make sure you have all their service. Yeah. Well, they'll fill out the paperwork. I have a little onboarding form that you would you know fill out and it asks you various questions and things like that and I take that information and do what I need to do to make sure your setup as like I said a writer and and a publisher because most people just set themselves up as a writer. There's two income streams that come in for that. So you want to make sure you collect on on both and your PR o is only going to collect your performance stuff. That's a real radio tube television, right? Right and and also your live performances. So when you are doing your shows or whatever it's a thing you have to go in and do say I play I play this venue. These are the songs. I played this is how much time I played. This is what I charged at the door, you know, okay all of that stuff so that you can then begin to collect not only from if the venue's paying you 50 bucks to get on stage or whatever you can start to collect your back end and also it's a great way to track because if You're just doing out here gigging. You may lose count that you've done 50 gigs in a year, but you've registered every one of those performances. Now you have actual data to back up. What where you've done the last year, you know, so you want to have that as well. So when someone comes and say hey, so what have you been doing this last year? Oh I've been gigging but this is really what I've been here here here and this is you have the actual proof to show that so that's just one aspect. There's other aspects where I can help. Be with co-writing agreements, you know you and she Split Sheet you're doing all that stuff. You're hiring a producer to do some stuff. I have producer agreements just all kinds of things that are going to help you in the one in the realm of publishing and songwriting, you know and stuff like that. So it could be copyright registration with the Library of Congress, you know, all of those types of things and even trying to help facilitate self publishing deals in other countries. He's because as cap can collect in foreign territories, but sometimes it's better to have it collected in that territory because as calf has a lot to do right and they can't believe members. They may not be able to collect every penny on your behalf. So sometimes having a sub publisher in a territory to collect direct is beneficial and every country is different every copyright law in that country is different. So you're dealing with a lot when it comes Was to your neighboring rights and international royalties and stuff like that. So you want somebody to kind of understand? So for those of you that always say, I just want to create my heart then you need to call her that way you can focus on creating the art and you don't have to deal with well, that's where I think sometimes people make mistakes is like they get so freaked out about why don't want to give this person this and I don't want to pay for this you're gonna pay for it gonna pay for one-way. That's right. Even you gotta pay for it by missing out on it and it's it's and you know some territories that There's a statute of limitations on how long you can collect. There's nothing like box money. Yeah, that whole little thing is. Yeah. That's a whole box of money. There it is that Sound Exchange has that they have no clue right after a certain amount of time. It goes to the people that did register it properly and it gets divvied up behind up. Yeah. That's the saddest part. Yeah. Well man. I am so excited to be able to watch your growth and look and you success anything we can do to support we're all in and for those of you that may have other questions. Ends or need to reach out. She also offers consultation. You can find out everything from her website. I'll make sure that it's available in the show notes spell it out for ya because it is missing a letter. Yeah, so it's music Queen w-w-w dot the music Queen.com th e mu Z IQ you een the music Queen and you can find me on Instagram under that Twitter under that website. Under the link it all that stuff. You'll find her and I am so stoked for you and I'm excited to see what comes from this. Thank you. I really am because I'm excited that there's a lot of people that can use your help. There's a lot of people that don't know what they don't know and this may have been a light bulb moment. Yeah a lot of them. So if this is your first time listen to the podcast welcome head on over to my website Rick Barker.com while you're there grab a free copy of the book and if you're an artist take the assessment find out where your Answer the questions honestly, and then I'm going to give you some tips and tricks on how you can move yourself forward to that next level because that's what this is always about. It's what's next soon as you get into the door. What's next soon as you achieve this what's next? So have yourself a fantastic one and we'll talk on the next episode. Ciao. I hope you enjoyed this episode to the music industry blueprint podcast. Be sure to subscribe and tell a friend remember there is no one-size-fits-all model. 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If you need someone to help you in your music career, so you can focus on your art, then the answer is ‘Muziqueen’ Thalia Ewing. Like Rick, Thalia also has a servant’s heart who loves to help and educate people. Going back home, she saw the need to become one of the pioneers to help musicians with publishing and songwriting. On today’s episode, Rick and Thalia discuss what and how it is in the music industry today. They also talk about how they help musicians avoid mistakes and save them from frustration, headache, and heartache. “Once you step out on faith and follow what you’re supposed to do, the universe and God starts to work on your behalf.”-Thalia ‘Muziqueen’ Ewing What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here! ***Want to be a guest on the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? *** Send an email to [email protected] With the following information: Name, website, social handles, questions you would like to ask Rick and contact information Time Stamps: 2:16 - Thalia’s background, her passion for music and why she pursue her dreams in New York 5:40 - What is mechanical licensing 7:41 - The reason why Thalia went back to Nashville and how she became one of the pioneers that help musicians in publishing and other areas of their career 11:49 - Why Nashville is a great place for people in the music industry 12:58 - How most people don’t really understand the ins and outs of the music industry and how Rick and Thalia helps them   16:12 - Thalia’s biggest frustration in her business and Rick’s advise to help her deal with it 20:03 - The problem with people who are not ready to do the work and provide the right tools to succeed in the music business 22:23 - All about the Muziqueen - how Thalia helps musicians anywhere in the world in the areas of publishing and songwriting 26:09 - Why most people create mistakes in their music career Resources: Scott Borchetta Timbaland ill Factor ASCAP BMI SoundExchange Connect with Thalia: www.themuziqueen.com --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

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Did I say, my name is Mike already? Yep, and Mike and Dad and buried that's not your last name know. Then maybe it isn't buried is not my son's name. Either people have said that to me is your son's dead and buried you. Call your son buried. Yeah, man come. Anyway, is it have to be able to compete so I don't know why I brought General. My co-host is known also known as Pete. Yep, that's it and you'll know me from such things as my email address. So you're doing Troy McClure. So yeah, there we go. No me some from other podcasts such as The Joe Rogan Experience. Well the name of his podcast I've listened to the fall. I'm a podcast listener your devotee. Yeah, and I listened to other Potter. You don't do social media. You can find me at dead and buried.com also on Twitter Facebook and Instagram as dead and buried and you know, where else you can find me now motherfucking Tick-Tock. I started take that I started to attack. 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Yeah. Our friend Tim's safe word. Oh God again. Wait to whip that out on them. I mean just the word just the word. Okay, as long as he says the word. All right. Well, I'm sure there is no greater chance that he'll say pine cones. If you whip it out trust us do it at Houlihan's 34th Street Penn Station. That's the way to do it. Tell him to meet me there. That's the place to whip. You should know by routine by now. You got to be honest. We've known each other for a long time. All right, so we're going to talk about what you miss most from your parent life right after this. Yeah pine cones will not be involved. Thank you. Hey, Mike, have you heard of Spotify before? I have heard of Spotify? Really? Yeah, because on Spotify you can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcast on every topic including the one you're listening to right now here. We were having a normal conversation and I thought I knew more about Spotify. We're on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes and listen offline. Wherever you are and easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. I'm on Instagram. Are you on Instagram? Get out of here? If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for Dad and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. All right as promised this week's episode is what did you miss most or what do you miss most about your pre parent life? I had the conversation with somebody over the weekend that gave me the idea and then I do want to do a follow-up episode which is what do you like most about being a parent little bit out of character? That one that I don't know if this is on brand it's a little off that's you know, what will make it on brand. Okay. I don't have that. I don't have to be that'll be next week or the week after but I I guess it could be next week happy thoughts about parenting by dad and buried the dead and buried and buried on take a cock exact with over 11. No, he said the Lovin earlier. I did I let me just you know, it's it's like 14 Lansing believe me my 12 year olds honest. I'm by the way the The episode we're going to do is social media social media and kids. Yeah, so I'll funny so Tick-Tock there's a don't dis adopted. Please don't speaking of social media and Tick-Tock. There's a watch company or called my Tik Tok Tik ta LK and they sent me a watch for my son and it's like a social media watch that allows you to it's got GPS on its postgraduate kids supposed new. Yeah. I love your kid he wear There's it. It connects to either your phone plan. You can with AT&T you can put it in your phone plan or they give you separate monthly SIM card and stuff that you do that shit on that's what I want. But in the South allows the kid to call or the FaceTime or the text when he's on his way or if he's running late or whatever. Hold on a second. Can I just stop you there? Which sounds like a great product. It is one of a pretty age range. Can I can I just say what's the age? I think it's probably like 4 to 12. I don't know more. Yeah, I don't know it just but it even if it's for their know how to use it. It still tells you where they're at. Right? So that's useful and the texting is very helpful because I can text him but he just wants to call so he will call usually will call and I'll answer phone ago. It's your conscience. This is that's what he says what he says it's not exactly how he sounds but he tries to use them a fake voice and say this is your conscience. All right, but he always calls so in the morning I drop him at the bus he gets on the bus. He drives away. Oh, but they don't know he's calling because he's dick. Tracy: no, no no no. No, he I tell you can set it. I have it turned off so we can't use it during the school dance. So from the gate 32 3 he can't use it. That's when he's on the bus, but it always call me when he's like on the bus in the morning just going to go because he likes having a gadget. So call me and I'll be on the subway or he'll call me and I'll be at work depending on how early I got in or when he gets out of school. I'm still at work and he'll call me at work. I'm like God damn it. You're gonna get me. How'd you get this number? I'm gonna huge and setting people who can contact them and stuff, but I really like it because Cuz especially when I was staying at home, and now my wife is going to be back home working or back home and checking to see like where's the bus I think she'll be working. Is she going to be no yesterday at home? Mom's do a lot of work the job of several people actually as we as we as you know, all too. Well, except what I was a stay-at-home dad. So let's get back to it less than her because I was terrible at it and very lazy. Let's get back to the fact that you're in a meeting projecting your watch on to the screen. So my son. Yeah, he's pops up. In conclusion everybody around the board table. I just want to say but this is your conscience. Yeah, so then all of a sudden oh, so you're saying I'm saying that and that it interrupts my big. No, I mean you're giving you're giving a presentation the next thing you know, your son is interrupting with him. Hey, your butt's me. I don't usually project my watch on to the screen, but it was theoretically should anyway, so my wife when she's at home, or I could we can see like where the buses and we have to run to get it me. Him at the bus stop which is like a block away or do we wait that's huge. It is huge. It's annoying to have to get I were this close to ending of the walk home on his own. Yeah, and even then that will be valuable being like let us know when you get off the bus and that kind of shit. So, how are you in North Virginia? Yo, I'm a GP s-- Yeah. Oh Amber Alert that was happening. I get more flash flood alerts than in Berlin's. Well, that's not a funny thing to say, but we was waiting to say they're well, I'm just saying no one died. In the ones that I was getting really the flash flood, I didn't double-check. It was a fucking joke. I know the one there have been at least five. Did you hear the one the most recent? And did you hear the one did you hear the amber alert about the cock? They caught him? Yeah, I did because the the couple like chasing down. Yeah, it's awesome dumb. That's why they work on your phone on your wrist. Whatever. Yeah, and by the way, the gps-based like LoJack for your kids is very handy and he loves having a gadget and subcutaneous. Why can't you just put it on that's coming like Like the pet store the veterinarian does friend that's coming that's coming. I feel like I have one to my parents. So what if it's funny that you say that because one of the things that came up was people were like I miss like not having the anxiety are the responsibility for another human being. So on the list of what do you miss most about your life a handful of people were like I used to just be able to think about myself. I don't know. I'm constantly worried about my kids or to put it another way. I don't give a fuck about other anyone else but me yeah, and now I had like yeah, do you return now? I have to pee Okay, so it's funny because you weren't super keen on this topic. You were like, no, I don't think so. And I said it's my fucking name on the podcast what I say goes and then I said, is that right? Yes, I think so. Yeah. Okay. I'm changing my name to Dad and bury my last time so it's good point Ironclad. But here's what I was saying. I was saying it was a little bit like Monday's right Vermin off sure, but people like a little people like to rant a little bit. Okay. Alright, so we're going to do RL Kraus, all right message me and said I love this topic and it feels like no one will admit anything before children is worthy of mention because she's no one's going to admit that they missed anything from their parent life because he says all things child-related should supersede your past and Jones is people are going to be sanctimonious about here's the thing for RL Kraus. This is not that kind of podcast. We don't have those kind of listeners. They don't have those kind of followers that we did them out over the years people were not shy about telling what they like or what they miss about Apparent life and we got into it that half of the people like Pete joked when I message it to them. They're just going to say everything. Yeah sure and a lot of them did say everything that person really stumbled into the wrong. Oh, yeah. Well our old girls maybe hasn't listened. Maybe it maybe hasn't been around that long. But I yeah, we're gonna no-holds-barred here. Maybe people know we're looking for Mom and buried she is a little bit sweeter. That's true. This this sweetness to my sour that it yuck tear yum, you know, yummy yummy yummy Um, so KML 218 was one of those people that basically said everything she said, I love my kids but this is too easy among the things she misses watching it watching something other than Daniel Tiger showering before noon not finding random shit in my purse money eating at restaurants being able to stay awake past stay awake past 10 p.m. With five am without five am wake-ups consequences. Can we start? Let's start. Let's stop that. A lot of these things get touched on later in the in the list. It's you know, there's one thing about like I just want to go out at night. We rarely are we talking about the morning where you got to wake up and you come home you pay the babysitter. You've had one or five too many or just 20 doesn't matter your cousin your continuing to drink. Yeah, and you continue to because guess what you try to have a good time exactly Xavier. How wake up America, this is America. It's your house. Maybe it's not your house. Maybe it's maybe it's house. Are your kids there? Who still America? But someone else's house in it's America. Guess what you wake up before their kids are waking you up. It's annoying and then a lawsuit implies and then you have McDonald's and then you go back and you salute the flag and you go right back out here and know what happened there. No, you're saying people don't talk about the morning after the the the wake up. It's just not hair when you need you needed to get away couple hours of sleep. No kids. That's okay. When you shoot what you should really do is get a babysitter in the Earning. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. Double baby. Because shift almost every hangover is secured by Mo the way right? So if you were able to get more sleep the odds that your hangover is going to be less or gone is are much higher but you got kids you gotta get up you gotta deal with him to get a flow of them are change their pilot this change their butts. Okay. What about when you were before kids, what was your hangover solution just walk us through walk me through it's not legal in this state. So I'd rather not say Okay, fine. Once you kick the other guy out Bloody Mary okay, or another a hair of the dog or just sleeping all day. You're waking up. Our that you wake up sleep mentioned aforementioned illegal substance, you're waking up at 2, right? Yeah, and then and then immediately either having the maybe wait an hour. Yeah, if we bullshit food grossest thing like you mentioned McDonald's perhaps right just to get you back to a point equilibrium, then you get and then of course your back with a Flowers Theory like I'm drinking wait, you don't see what the fuck is wrong with this place? Just give me the shot of vodka. Piston fine. What about a tequila soda? I don't drink tequila. Did you know that you know what? We don't like it never came up. So yeah, we're drinking we miss that and like she said the early wakeup consequences whether you are just tired or whether you're hungover getting woken up like that when you have kids when you have kids here's what happens 5:45. A sharp fingernail will separate you always do this eyelid and I poke your eyeball at which point you're like, but of course you can't speak because you're so hung over my toddler and then you go upstairs and then you put on the TV where you pass out and Daniel Tiger. Well, that's what she mentioned. She wants to watch the Caillou or Callie you Caillou. I've never seen it Caillou bitch about it all just never seen. What a what about Man's mini muffins and he'll just say it over and over and over until he's fucking dead with a fucking Mini-Me can't reach him but we usually put them on the counter just like you know, what where we make his older brother because all debris idea if you snort the mini muffins they get in your bloodstream faster. I should tell him so mom gone. Mad said I miss my job traveling going to the toilet alone ordering junk food eating out and she left an ellipsis, you know, the three dots as if to imply she could go on and on and on Coco Jay says Solitude sleep bathroom alone time silent swearing now. Now swearing you can still swear you you glossed over bathroom alone time while no, I'm gonna get it. Well, I guess it wasn't a category but really honestly it is important for fuck's sake. Can I just have literally insulin to school my phone except for you? Who welcomes and oh I love are you an open door policy? Hey what's happening? It's called nature. It's called except for a human body is beautiful is everything that has happened in his natural. Yeah, so you throwing up at the sight of me doing what I had. Change your Bots that I had to deal with that fucking visceral experience. But now I have yours it like that on the toilet like bird. Why did you lock Us in I have one of those buzzers like Matt Lauer if you come into the bathroom, I hit the thing so they can't get out just to be in there with me. What is happening? I just referenced Matt Lauer tight. Good luck. Good wraps that me too was it there's a deep pull you don't want it was a deep cut. I liked it re-read jcar underscore says Miss he misses or she misses vacations without bedtime sleep nice clothes. With quiet. All right, let's talk about this vacations without now. Well listen. Oh, how about this? Hey, let's get out. You know what? Let's go away. We've had such stuff. Let's go away. Let's get a hotel room how many hotels and we'll get one. Yeah. Okay. Well, first of all that's fucking not a vacation motherfuckers and I'm saying this to the you're saying I'm you have kids you have everybody in the one room everyone. Oh, what do you do? How can you snort cocaine it's hard underneath. The mattresses is one time gets everywhere. We put we were to shitty hotel or just like staying overnight like on I don't know. We're on a road trip and we had to pack and play and because we would like we knew our nine-year-old would fall asleep and he sleeps through anything, right? But the toddler or the baby at the time wake up. Wake up the we couldn't watch a movie right and we just wanted to or in the same room with them. Also. We put the Pack N Play perched on the Yep in the bathroom because it's the only way it would fit. So for a little precarious know what but you know what it's fine little plaque. I hope your little plastic on ceramic fine as long as we discover with anything. No, I'm just saying like, oh, yeah, as long as he doesn't move around too much. I'm sure it was fine. I was further get away. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. We told him that extent but also gives you bit of a problem with your shoulder. He looks like Sloth from Goonies thing you're gonna do But you don't want more loveable than ever and he says he often says hey you guys he does all the time. So sweet Melissa. 78-77 says she misses going to the bathroom by herself not hearing mom being called all the fucking time. She says all the forking time. What is this the good place? You have no idea what I'm talking about, especially while Dad is closer. So this is a mom Centric gripe money. All the money kids need new clothes every season all the school trips and lunches to pay for you. I never ends you're bleeding money. So this is a bunch of people to summarize the A lot of frustrations they have but with close though, that shouldn't be well Pete just gave me a bag of hand me downs as they are as he and his wife graciously do it's like once every month or so, let's do have way too many clothes on and by the way, we get our clothes. I don't think we've purchased except for my 12 year old now, which would now we start first one to get it. Yeah, if she's now she wants to buy real things. He's starting to buy her own clothes, but we have we have not bought clothes because of hand-me-downs we just will take from your brothers family from my brother Whether he knows about it or not, they whenever you busy so like something from the he's a hey have you received this what you know, I know man I don't want you talking about so weird. You took it just for you you took you stole some hand-me-downs from your older brother because I'm weird because I saw you in that in that Richard. Is he bigger than using his height on? Yeah. It was our it was my middle daughter sweatshirt was Tiny way down. I was like, but I feel like I just feel more comfortable in it. You know what I mean? You know Mike I'm going to need your valuable. Just thinking about that visual. You and your middle daughters or your brother's middle daughter. How many kids do you have 3 did you ask him what he misses about it? Parent left. Is he subscribe? No, I don't get arrested Stripes any tells me that I swear too much. You know what fuck that that's not true. So I asked people and then I went through and I tabulated like what were the biggest response has been tabulated a little bit. This is Big Data. The number one response was sleep people missed sleep the number two response, which was very close behind was Spontaneity / Freedom being able to do stuff whenever you want and being able to do whatever you want whenever you want to and number three was Solitude just having some alone time some time to yourself. I just I but okay so sleep clearly we've talked about this Geneva Convention can't sleep deprivation is an actual form of torture we know so so and so this is what your kids will do to you for what a year two years. I think it's forever. Okay, but I really think it is like my parents will stay up when I go visit them and they'll stay on the line until I get home. Really. Yeah, but they trying to find mostly sure and so that's what's so good about you not being lucky stars. 4583 says sleep hands down. There's no catching up ever. So a couple of the most couple of like the or one of the early kind of popular articles I had on my blog was called the real reasons reason parents are always tired and it's not because of being woken up and stuff. It's because you never have recovery time. There's never were a day where you get to sleep in and you get to like recover from the last day every single day that you have a baby and then you have another kid. It's just if you go to bed at 1:00, you're still getting up at fucking five or waking up coming down from the light or whatever every day that never changes and just once you lose those hours, you can never get them back and it just accumulates and accumulates and accumulates. But I mean, all right cool can't bank and you and then one of the dumbest pieces of advice people say before Dan is you gotta catch get as much sleep as you can you fucking listening to this and you don't have kids if someone says like Oh Bank, sleep now. Tell them fuck you. I'm going out. I'm doing a bin. Yeah, and I want to be back at me tell you that days and I don't know what's going to reasons they might be saying that and and one of them 95% of the time they're saying it because they're saying you gotta catch up because you're not gonna be able to get that sleep. Hold on, but if they're saying get as much sleep as you can now because you're going to miss it. I can appreciate that being like man. I love sleep so much. I really should like indulge right now of when I can but I know but that's not what they're saying. They're saying you need to bank sleep. Well, no, there are saying I mean, I would imagine that's one in the same meaning. No. Yes, enjoy your sleep while you can because sure patronising the most of the time they're not the point is as a threat or not. Yeah, exactly. Just enjoy your fucking life. Here's our in your third trimester. Here's what you need to do go out to eat as much as possible. You need to both do whatever you want to do each. Separately and individually as much as possible and then because when it falls on a timer, I have a different approach about the sleep thing and I've given this advice and I posted it once on my Facebook. You shouldn't tell people to catch up on sleep. You should tell people get used to not having sleep. Right? So you take a fucking just go out right fucking pull the Navy SEAL routine go three days without getting any sleep you get better at it because your rest of your life. If you know the function you're gonna have to be able to have fun. You're gonna be able to go out you can have to be able to do your job. Because of its are your kids you're exhausted. That's why you prepare. That's the right advice sleep. What you got to do is you need to train yourself to deal with it. Oh, I'm sorry. It's not enough fucking drugs for you. Guess what it go out and buy something. That's a fucking word trial God. It's not that hard motherfucker. That is going shit Amelie good eye. There's actionable gonna give you some names come back in half an hour you get your ass back out there. Exactly. And you find that fucking dog. You just fucking go and you know, what, if you're close to the wall the better you do the more you do it the better equipped. You'll be to be a fucking parent, you know, why and the function because decently no one. Can be better at being hungover, but like massively hungover, then I am currently I'm actually the right now ounce hungover Championship was like man hangover meaning so women don't like the man flew the women get mad if mad indulge their hangover sort of I'm going the opposite way meaning if it's I'll have gone to bed at 4:30. I'll wake up at 6:00 and then I'll be like, all right who wants breakfast and I'll be doing breakfast and we'll go to the park and then we'll do this and we'll do that and then I'll come home and then I'll just collapse into. Skin, so you don't you gotta solve and then it just it. Yeah, that's gross. Yeah. Well, that's what happens but not before I put on Daniel Tiger. Yeah for six straight hours Let's Evans. Just seven just until Bloody Mary time and my 12 year olds. Like what the fuck is this shit so before so we so there was another comment on the Sleep one. Somebody said, yeah. If only I had a pretty little charm ready said if only I'd appreciate it. I miss sleep so much, right and that's the thing. You don't really appreciate it. You don't realize but can I go back actually? Ali so sleep quite honestly, it's a little bit like Monday mornings, right? Yeah, you already made that joke. Okay. I really hated the think of it again a topic again so that your trouble yeah, that's okay, but make it better than Colbert's which I fucking hate. I hate it. It's a perfect joke. It was perfect at the beginning. It's perfect release the transcripts. So the one we didn't talk about spontaneity what we haven't gotten to it yet. There's a whole fucking section on it. You know, we're doing a Cast right we're not ending it right. Now. Are you acting like that was the end we talked about one topic segueing. I'm trying I'm you want to ski on a Segway. No. Well, that's not. All right, fine. Let's go. There's no Rhyme or Reason to this order. It's just really hard to transcribe these things. So I reckon. All right. Well, it's back-breaking. Why don't we do? Yeah, let's go to fucking here's the thing. I think it's really about go to the big boy. Yeah, because it was mon 1080 spontaneity. Shoop would says she says she misses spontaneous anything and that's the thing. That's every Other here, there's some more specific examples. But all you need to know is you are never ever doing anything in the spur of the moment ever again, you have to consider all of your kids. You have to consider what you're going to bring. You have to consider how much time you have a beast in advance. Oh my God. Oh my God, and then we can get out and then we can be like spontaneous for 45 minutes because after 45 minutes, we should really factor in traffic to get back at 100% or even have a job birthday party dude. We do we have to pay the babysitter. Do they take cash or vet? Or what what? Okay, see her l so actually, you know what? We have 20 minutes to be spontaneous go says she misses the ability to do anything without figuring out who will watch the kids. Right? So either you're bringing the kids with you which requires a whole different level of planning and all this shit. You have to schlep around and carry and all this junk and which car are we taking? I got to move the fucking car seat God damn it. But if you were going somewhere without the kids you can't even do that. The first thing you have to do is secure babysitter and a lot of times you will try to make a reservation somewhere and then you Try to get a babysitter and you waited too long and you're like shit and you're like try to get somebody to help another babysitter swap. I watch your kids next weekend watch mine and quite honestly, you know what Lassie is not a babysitter. I tried to do the collie thing. Like it's pretty smart rain the college. Yeah pretty smart about as far as a 5th grader. I've got a fourth grader. Yeah, they can get a smart as 5th grader. I've got a fourth grader. So maybe they can just kind of circle the kids like a border collie. Just keep them in the bag anything like if a fire starts in Gloucester barking And CNN 1C E. I don't know if it can once wouldn't it be Candice with the one maybe I typed it wrong? I don't know get back to us says quickly leaving the house to do anything is what she misses the most Deeds which is deed for Z says being spontaneous going out whenever I wanted especially last minute plans is no last-minute plans anymore. My man unless you live around family that you can like drop the kids off at the last second or something like that. And there are people that do have the benefit of family nearby if you were they have big Emily's and they could just leave and if you do that, you know absolutely amazing. But also you we collectively hate. Yes, 100% the data Barry podcast hates you if you have family we should sit if you have a wonderful family that you're allowed to draw me time. Yeah free babysitter. We did a whole episode on this by the way, because sick with Envy With Envy, that's right, but I still remember the time I can do you remember? It was no three years Inna not no. No, no. No one was that somebody that's there was it was three years ago my wife and I was I think for my birthday we got away and went to we go to a hotel different hotel in the city because we don't have to travel anywhere that don't say that I call that you in the throat. Let's hear it called bring a hat. It's called the hat called Manhattan City hit me come on, and we would go we go we want one. No, I meant. Hit me punch. And my parents who were watching the kids actually said, you know what like we got them to like three and you know, we are up of course because you're up naturally like whatever 10 o'clock in the morning. We were ready to kind of go out and we're about to like go home. And then we said what? Why are we going home? Why don't we just go to like, let's go to a gallery or someone's do some music on galleries hisses. That's just a museum house what to this like? I remember it vividly because of pop for the past 13 years. It was the time that your parents watch the kids know that way. Yes, exactly. Come on, Mom and Dad. Let's pick it up. But know that we were able to be spontaneous in that parenting moment. Well, that's it. You know what be able to just like sit around for like Three hours. I'm still we still went home. Yeah, right. We don't know what to do with. Yeah, because it after a lot of Tire eventually got into Camp Banks. We got here argument eventually. It's gonna work. But yeah, it was like the deal with each other. Let's go sale nine six. Seven one. O says, I miss the ability to drop anything and go anywhere without finding a sitter or waiting for the kid to put their fucking shoes on football. TNT futebol. TNT. Mom says I missed the ability to have less structured time spontaneity with my and after work, so that's the thing right again, like you need to have something planned for the kids. You can't just lounge around and lays around or how about like you do that and at the end of the day the kids are going stir crazy in there bouncing off the walls because they didn't get any of the energy out. My wife is constantly getting mad at me about that because I like a good lazy day but always backfires. I'm you know, the one thing is I will get these mods. I know get that we're doing something I'll take him anywhere. I'll take all of them anywhere you They come back and amazing. Dad. Pete. Come back at 2:30. Guess what time it is Bloody Mary time bedtime. It's a better car. Sorry kids. Sorry mother. So everybody is all these people said the same thing House of happy. How much does the ability to come and go as they please without having without having to pull some crazy Logistics magic exactly and see our weapons and says, I just miss spontaneous fun, whether it's drinks taking a walk going on vacation having dinner having company over whatever. That's all. All gone it is so hard to find it all scheduled to make it you need just need to have everything scheduled. You know what you said you'd do anything on a whim outside of go out do a Coke binge for 42 hours to prep yourself second one 42 hours. Why not? Yeah come back at 3 o'clock in the morning and make any sense. Just get a you got to be good at planning. You got to be good enough. That's not me. I don't recognize my me. This is my wife comes in. Yeah. So vacation and travel was another big one and I definitely can vouch for that. Right? So DJ e vo J case on says the misses the ability to travel whenever I felt like it. That's all gone. This Is My Jam says I miss money and traveling easily going to you're like going on to the airport is a hassle no matter what nowadays post 9/11 bringing your kids. You got a stroller. You may have a fucking car seat if you're if you're a psychopath you may have you have all these luggage. You're carrying a baby. Oh my God, it's hell on Earth. You have to get there so early you have to pack so much you going traveling with kids. You have to have your diapers. You have to have extra pairs of clothes for all these kids and it makes me fucking stressed out. I was talking about you know, what I do. Now with my twelve-year-old I pack my diapers and Herb. Oh that's good thinking and then I let her face when she opens at what those that's a triple capacity. Hey, thanks Tess. What when you gotta go you can really go just like NASA scientists so cross. Country back a for-real says she misses last-minute travel and plan. So this combining the spontaneity in the travel think she's like, I don't live near family. So no overnight trips without the kids, right? So even trying to get away for a weekend can be really hard unless you had the benefit of family and there were a couple of times I was able to do that. Yeah few years ago before I had two kids and before my parents got a little bit older. And before there were babies around that were more exciting to them my brother my brother's, you know, my niece's shout out to your brother for having much more cute kids than you or younger. And therefore they're cuter. Well, they don't do anything. You're right. And guess what your kids do everything they do way too much to be honest about it. Yeah. So the next big category was Solitude. That was the number three, right? So we did sleep we did spontaneity that went in to travel and we did Solitude so Solitude and not and and and the next week of the Solitude and freedom / having free time, right? So Solitude I think is a very big thing for me. Moms, especially if you're a stay-at-home mom could always a kid around and they're trying to take a shower happens to all parents, but I think for moms or this for a stay at home parent in general it's worse because you never have there's never a time where like a kid's not there if you have a young kid and he's not in pre-k or daycare yet. If you have an older kid, he gets home from school. Maybe have a couple hours if you're lucky but I for one really like some Solitude and it's tough. It's tough to get that even when you're married sometimes but when you're married and you have kids well going a lot of people don't realize is your job ends at 2:30. Yeah, and you get hours I have spent for us from my fighting the d-train exactly broken. My last says I miss being able to relax whenever I want now I have to wait till they're sleeping to relax. So I posted a meme. I had a meme that gets stolen all the time like copied and they put their own watermark on it and shit that was parenting isn't eternal struggle. Between staying up late to get some alone time or going to bed early to catch up on your sleep. I said that exact same thing to use your birthday party four years ago you son of a bitch, but I don't remember what the tote but the poll results were but it's a big struggle you turn into a whole always. I made that appalled you almost always for me. I'll choose alone time. I want to have those minutes when my kids are asleep and I can watch something by myself, or I can just listen to me the other night. I was I know I'm doing dry January just my wife was out. The kids are asleep. I was just sitting in my living room in the dark. Listen to Radiohead. I don't know if that's healthy but I was enjoyable. I enjoyed those the hour or two by myself before I went to bed. Yeah. No, it is it's precious. It is precious for sure. What's that if I could sit time? Battle it was just like it's a song Time in a Bottle O King Henry the eighth made. This was always Jim Croce. Is that it? Is it Jim Croce or Fred Croce? I can't remember. I'll come on. He's got a couple of good song. Anyway, does Duds mm Duds? Mom says she wishes she had some Solitude so she could read a book once in a while. I read on the train because the only time I'm able to during my commute to work Krista Monique says not having a tiny person talking at me all day. Yeah. This is what I'm talking about. It can be very annoying to have a little kid I Hina at your knees. I I got home tonight. I've walked in the door both my son and my youngest son and my middle daughter were having a great time and it immediately turn into wrestling between you and them or just open them treat them in them and I'm trying to get ready. I'm getting the stuff so we can go and record this and he did it get out the door my middle daughter comes home. I'm up we're talking it's been maybe two and a half minutes since I got home. Yeah. Hey everybody. Okay, cool, like doing this there now wrestling and wrestling the babysitter's still there. The wrestling has now turned into screaming. I'm coming up the stairs. My oldest daughter has come home with my wife. And now I'm at the top of the stairs with holding all the equipment and bags and stuff. And now everyone's yelling like everything everywhere every single person. For apples contagious is yelling at each other. Stop yelling you stop yelling. No, you stop your used up yelling and I'm like see this happens to be like come on. I'm just gonna every day so I work from home today. And as soon as my nine-year-old gets home from school. He starts going at his little brother immediately and then I start yelling at them and if mama bear eats home, she starts yelling at me for yelling at them and it's just a chain reaction is an abscess like a dice is why I would rather live by myself and not have a wife or family. Why is what I'm saying? You know what I want to be like, I'm going to my own apartment in the city in the past exactly. How behind we reach you. Yeah. I lost my phone. So another big theme was Freedom / less responsibility and I got to say the anxiety that in the stress that come with like we were talking about earlier having to worry about like where your kids are who's watching. M are they home safe? Are they going to get into a good college? You know it even goes that far sometimes. Well, here's what I would yes. I mean sure. Yeah. Okay. I mean you're worried. Sometimes you're like a little less worried than other times. Sometimes you're like hey, you know what? Sometimes you say like don't play in the street. Yeah, that's loudly than maybe because what happens kind of just roll it back as they as they roll as it's all God's plan. Yeah, they like asked on the street. Be careful. I like Willy Wonka. Yeah, no stop. Don't do that. Be careful, but I think what is you know it what you do think about or certainly as a dad who is you know, financially responsible for our family? Well, it's like little retrograde but I'm here. Okay, Don Draper. Well, that's that's the current situation is very much like okay. I got a really like make sure shit goes right here. Why's there go everyone's good. Under State. Yeah, I'm gonna be destitute or you you had the most recent experience. Yeah, I was unemployed and it was yeah, it was challenging it was a terrifying and but then thankfully my kids are way too stupid to make it any good college, so I don't have to worry about that that's off my plate but all say also they absolutely love goldfish and they do love go for seven months exactly and they're thriving not right not the goldfish that you're thinking alive growth live rat. Yeah swallow the whole fish a coil and the call in the past. The way when it becomes a koi fish, did you ever get one of those plastic bags kind of Carnival when I don't fucking have any idea when does a goldfish become a Coy? I don't know. They're the same thing. It's just a big goldfish. I have no fucking insight into this topic. I just came up with it now and I'm like, I want to look it up on the stop this podcast and look. So Kyla Myers 80 says she misses being able to do whatever I want when I want Alice met so says I missed the possibility of endless sprawling hours of freedom. It just sounds like ya fantasy. Doesn't it? Tell Brett 636 I missed having time and doing with with it. Whatever I want, right? That's what not doing that anymore. You gotta carve out a half an hour an hour. If you're lucky if you're lucky it's before the kids is before midnight. Do you know that I scheduled a try to schedule drinks to someone and it took like three weeks if figured out three to make it happen or to schedule it just to meet the person I haven't met. Them yet. It's still ongoing and the schedule keeps changing. Right do they have kids? Yeah, exactly. It's to have drinks. It's impossible to go out and have a drink after work right through weeks right from way over there. Now we have to get that out what you're not going home. Who's gonna be the worst things Carmen do says I miss the ability to run errands without 50 snacks and three meltdowns. Even like so she wants freedom to run errands. That's how sad things are. She wants me to run errands alone because it's such a nightmare, you know, what's up for parents? I'll go to the dentist fucking right now with my kids aren't there. I'll take that our yeah. Yeah, that's real way drill baby drill go. I want I said before put me in a medically induced coma for a couple of weeks. Yeah. I want even I won't even be conscious of the fact that I'm alone. But my body can soak it in Noble know here's the problem though. You'll wake right up and your kids will be there. Nothing happened. Yeah, they'll be there just passed out. What happened God that's a what happened. I woke up God damn it. You're ruining everything Ashley in the B says she wishes she had the freedom to spend a lazy weekend doing nothing without feeling guilty about it. Therefore that guilt comes in. So my wife gets really guilty if we haven't taken the kids somewhere if you didn't do something or we wasted one of our fucking days God forbid the like in April the first sunny day the year will happen. Right and my wife will act like like we're not going to have the next five months of Summer and nice weather and she'll be like, it's the fucking last absolute sunny day we're ever going to have we have to fucking know maximize it and I'm like dude, you're just resting your out especially yourself out thinking like that. We just went to the bodega. Yeah. Exactly. Let's see what happens. It'll be fine. You got to plan some shit. I don't want to do that, but she's right in that not getting the kid. We're not doing some stuff won't get old after all. Yeah, I'm I agree with I'm just I will I'll do anything to get my kids out of the house by now. And by the way, I'm I feel like I'm more of a morning person personally. Like I will I have most of my energy in the morning time. Yeah. And so what I want to do is capitalize on that and then in the afternoon and evening, we had just shut it all down. So I want her handling. I mean sure but I mean you take the Morning, she takes tonight. I mean now in an ideal stance that that's what would Radha is like tacos and I'm also envisioning see I always think of like how I'm going to take the kids in the morning and in the evening and afternoon and have it all planned out and that's why everybody I would I love when my wife is able to get some time to herself until one trips to recharge your batteries. Yeah, go enjoy yourself. Some of us gave us some somebody gave us lead the life beforehand where somebody was like, where are your kids and somebody was like, The wives the games have it so easy. Guess what? Yeah right. Now they are with the wives on Saturday night. I was with the kids. My wife was out partying and also on the Thursday night before that in the fucking Tuesday night for book club, right? You don't know my life. We're responsible parents. Yeah, and we're responsible husband to let our wives go and have a good time because we know it's important and then when we do channel that anger we put into this thing. Yes, exactly. We bitch about it, even though now, I'm defending what we do. Do we know kind of I'm a good person. Gotta get hat, but you ran away Sunday. So one of my favorite things to do is we were talking about Freedom be able to do whatever you want. One of my favorite things to do is before I was married is when I lived in Boston would be like on a Saturday morning and like the spring. Take a walk put on some headphones and go to like Tower Records some how old I am gonna hug. Someone go to Tower Records and go to like the listening stations. And this is a couple of songs. I've a couple albums and maybe buy a couple of albums just killing like three hours of walking somewhere and getting lunch with or without a friend. Sometimes just on your own or just or then like get that album and drive around with you Discman something akin to your car radio sometimes or drive around a lot of time with it by myself. So I like being by myself. Yeah Solitude is actually we try I was ostracized doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it listen clarinet. Oh my God, not in college. Not until you have a real problem with clarinetist snow know what are you gonna do? You have a problem with Woody Allen now all of a sudden? Yeah. No, so I think that just being being able to be able to do. Well that's that the spontaneity just being able to do that is that is the word so I feel like Solitude and spontaneity or sand in hand. Yeah. Well and so is freedom so it's really just sleep. And yeah, then that one I kind of was like this topic is pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, we'll just like, you know Boom because husband our children to you know, what brutish burn 1983 says before kids there was less anxiety because you were only screwing yourself up now. It's a whole other person or more than one are really gonna screw up. Sierra Roxanne says the same thing not having to worry about someone other than myself 24/7 k.will 37 says not having any significant concerns. All right, but she's talking about taxes. I don't have anything. I don't have kids. I don't know literally care about nothing and she likes she misses having Money to play with me to although I never had money to play with even before I had kids talk Monopoly. Now, why would drop says I travel for work a few times a year and I miss being able to relax when I finally get home instead. I get home and get thrown right into bath time or some other parents and sure you know, why because you've been out of the house not parenting for a couple of days you walk in it's like, oh, she'll your turn. You know, what there you go. That's the bargain that you strike though. When you when you're at your relax work job job. You're relaxed word Raptor your me time when you're at your job like fending off toxic email. And I think managing to stay alive and traveling which is so fun, which is traveling from a conference or from an office and you come home. It's like here's a screaming baby and deal with it. And yeah, we do over up. Yeah, and I'm sure lie would drift us to so a lot of people said they miss their old selves. So what's funny is one of the reasons I started my blog way back in 2010 a few months for my kid was born was because I saw a lot of my friends having the first kids and disappearing so they're socialized Disappear I didn't but also much but also like their personality suddenly, they wouldn't be cool or fun anymore. And they kind of they would they get into the ship. Luckily. I'm a role model. I feel responsible parent mode kind of thing. Right and one of the reasons I started my blog was I want to have an outlet for this part of my personality which happens to be the entire thing where I'm just rant and I'm sarcastic in a jerk and make fun of my kids. Yeah, and I'm like, I don't want to lose that and I haven't because Dad and buried his thriving and we're on Tick-Tock now, but with chapstick on our Oops. So here we go. This is it you've this is your Opus but a lot of people did say they miss their old selves. So HB G 6 6 6 says she misses her entire life before kids a handful of women said they miss their old bodies Lego 13:11. I miss my old hips skin elasticity and boobs. Yeah Tinkers pixie says I miss my body Rachel Bush Jones. My pre-pregnancy body rip Gina underscore MDM 78 my body. I don't say don't say rip guys, you can get it back. Really? I think I mean really I think there's lots of tips out there. Got to do try January like me. Whoops missed it. I guess maybe next year because you can't do another month obviously from non from you know from a man's perspective from a dad's recycle. I was I was a big fan. Yeah, but the change is a woman's body undergoes are different there and fucking what the fuck is this pregnancy shit is crazy. It is crazy. My sympathy pains were actually worse than when my wife went through but that's a rare case no time. Gil 21 says I miss the person I was before kids because of everything you mentioned all of the stuff we've been talking about and also because I wasn't an emotional wreck trying to survive between panic attacks and anxiety about everything I think some people's anxiety does go into overdrive because all of a sudden you're like, I got to protect my kids really nuts and tree nuts and bees and we haven't seen a pers and terrorism and all how about when you're like, oh I'd everything's gonna be fine. Then you have a job you have your kid and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, wait, what's post part of? Oh, I fucking nothing. Oh, yeah. I hate everything that's so horrible. That is horrible fucking garbage. And guess what? I feel that way every day, but I just it's not called - it's called like it's called how I feel about my life. Yeah, so a bunch of people mentioned they miss the sex they were able to have my underscore cat 321 says I miss having sex sleep wake up have sex sleep repeat because he got to take care of people in between. You can't do that. And you don't exhausted Alison Michelle Alison, Micheline says she misses sex in the living room you can They'll do that. Yeah, I can't be like, you know 230. Well, you have to Jen Fetch and I need says probably having sex anytime of day in any room we want. I mean, yeah, I mean you can do it you packed your can't cook and do it panting whether you care just need to expedite below explain real good. Let me see. This is how you were born kids or just the kitchen or just like PPM. Don't worry. I'm trying to fix something Maria Maria am trying to be happy. I'm wrestling. Your kids will be like, hey fixing the washing machine again. That's not how you fix a watch Maria. EF laughs says being able to have sex wherever and whenever Kate Kate bow Bates has weakened sex without having to hurry up and be quiet. So yes, the sex life is fewer and far between just like doing anything for fun by yourself without the kids involved this harder. Yeah, I mean and not only that but like the okay good. Let's get the movie going. Let's make sure how yeah things have doors every door. Yes is lot of the other day. My kid tried to bust in the door was locked and then afterward we had to explain the doors. Like I don't know who locked the door. We were just talking about something. I don't know. What odigo is. My toddler is constantly locking doors. Yeah from like the inside of the leaving the room. So I pretended that's that he did it because otherwise the kid come they don't knock they just run to the door so jiggling the handle trying to get in right terrifying for everybody we talking about now the toddler her magic talk about it. My wife is making strange sounds and there's a man in the other room and I was trying to get it. Why is Greg in this working on the Greg Greg? I fucking love great. No, no not what you thinking. Oh like my heart. Great. Yeah, I don't know which Greg you're talking about. So what's funny is in the random section here random things people missed. Some people said that they missed I'm going to a restaurant and sitting at the bar but even getting a high-top you can't because if their stools and stuff the kids can't sit in those. Some people mention having less laundry. They miss only having laundry for to or only having to do it once a week weird thing to Miss J night 62 says I miss no one sneezing in my eyes. You know, what right in your eyes. You know what that's weird. What try your mouth next time. Try like no meaning like try and like open your mouth. Yeah. Read it Ashley lay Ashley Ave. 0 1 says she misses time to spend with friends. Most of my friends are childless. So play dates aren't a thing and mandrin with a zero for the O says the same thing. We are the first and only parents in my group and nobody really gets exactly so exactly it guess what they're all like, hey, come on over. Let's come on out you like actually I can't can look all the Wardrobe in the baby yet. No, you don't understand. It'll be great. Bring the baby, you know understand my kid has colic you fucking assholes or like we haven't slept in my kids missed his nap today. And if I bring him out in public, it's gonna be a fucking shit show a beach like hang out. So here is an interesting ones Crystal Brook and the two o's Those are backwards parentheses for some reason says in his crystal kar-wai says I was 17 when I had my first kid. So I don't even know what a dolt life is like kid-free we talked about we talked about this having kids young or later. So you're going to but here's the thing Crystal check that out when you're 30, you're basically done 3233 you're done and you have your entire you're still young you're high-fiving your you have your entire life a like that but you have like a like a full grown adult that yak you up? Can babysit if you have younger kids so we did a whole episode on this. You should go check it out. Whether it's better to have kids when you're young or old kind of the pros and cons of that. I said of situation a person that I know from my wife's had a kid when he was a freshman in college so around the time and now he's our age his kid is in college. Oh my God, that's unlikely verbal. What the fuck like he's probably partying right now for years younger than Patrick Mahone's like literally. Yeah, like holy fucking shit. That's crazy. Yeah. I have a kid. I have a couple of friends whose kids are real close to that Patrick Mahone's the first few friends in your group that you know that had kids and like I have a fucking four-year-old and I have a kid friend of mine his daughter gonna be one college in a year or two. It's crazy. I just I like I hate that friend of yours. Me too. You know why I hate the furniture store. I could call and Katie Carl says 79 says I don't remember what life was like before kids and isn't that tragic? That is no that's tragic. But I feel like come on. Well, you know, we're going to talk next week about some of the perks of having kids. What do we like most about about our parent lives changing it up a little bit. So Katie Carl 79 says she doesn't remember what life was like before kids and Pete was like that's not a bad thing. I love my parent life so much. I fucking love it you've Evolved you've changed you don't remember who you used to be. You know, why could you sprouted Wings? You know what my friend and when we started this podcast, I got it all out of my system now just and now I'm like, yeah, we've got this we're changing the format of the podcast and all my social media. Yep small just going to be me putting chapstick animal staring at the camera and being positive about Parenthood. Well because it's come to this now, which is 2R cunt fucking now April Fools, Would have been a good episode 4 April fools it's do what we like about our kids. It's still there's still time. No, but if April Fool's doesn't fall on the right day that there's no point in doing that. You can't do April Fool's unlike April 5th. Okay. Well, I don't know but this is look at those now behind the scenes April 1st is a Wednesday. We're really gotta come up with something else. I know it will do I already came up with it. You just like that fucking snap synaptics. Classic Dana bows. They really like the sibling rivalry episode. She said this might be my Favorite off the rails out of the gate episode yet. She commented that on YouTube is on YouTube. You can comment under individual episode and we're going to like we're going to ramp it up Ash. At least the Maori said the same thing. This is my favorite episode yet because it makes me feel great about having an only child out. You know, what Alicia it's your only child and your non sibling rivalry, which is our previous episode which are go check it out folks and then subscribe on Apple and give us a rating on Apple subscribe. Subscribe Spotify or something. But like also just fine. Just give us a rating. Please five stars. You leave a review if you want but a rating but you were going to say something to Alicia. You were gonna say something nasty. Yeah. I was going to hold and say I was just gonna just complete part will say that quick real quick. Let me just do this without I don't want you to leave your train of thought in between like it was a five star rating. Let me just quickly just really is this where you were shitting all over one of our list Mentor just let me fucking rip or tear her apart. Guess what we'll do that next week. See you next time. We talk about things we like about parenting so bring your fucking shit. And yeah that even mean in a bag I can shit bring it in a bag here you go. Bring your my fast positive responses for next week. Don't worry. We'll find a way to so it is pretty don't worry about for told, you know, five site. I know but like we've got like two four stars. It's a come on we don't need more for starters. We need more 5 Stars. We love you. Thank you so much you guys.

Remember being able to meet up with friends spontaneously? Wait, why are tears streaming down your face?...What's that you say? it's all you can think about? Well, my friend, take that memory and shove it in a box then push that box waaaay on down in the deepest part of your memory hole cause those days are over. Mike and Pete hear stories from yore and even yonder about what life was like back then. Personally, I'm glad those days are over. I'm much more of a devote-every-waking-hour-to-a-human-who's-indifferent-at-best kinda guy.

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So take a listen? So I'm sitting here with Claire Wasserman the founder of ladies get paid. Yay. Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited. So will you tell our listeners a little bit about you? Well ladies get paid is sure. Yeah. So ladies get paid is a National Organization. We help women negotiate for pay and for power at work and we do that through an online Network where women are actually crowdsourcing career advice. They go in they have a situation at work. They don't know where to go right Googling their problems isn't really solving it. Find 40,000 other women from all 50 states and more than 100 countries. Laugh who are basically like yeah me too. This stuff is hard and the peer to peer sharing is really powerful. I think just to discover that you're not alone and then we look at what they're talking about. So we create workshops webinars. We've got an annual conference anything we can do to help women realize that they have a lot more than just taking what they're given right get into the driver's seat of your career, even if your junior middle ER you know you feel like you're at a company they don't have paid family leave and you're like, I'm gonna go find another job. Well, hey, have you tried to advocate for that Paid Family Leave right? I started it about two and a half years ago. What was the inspiration? Oh God. Misogyny sexism long story. Okay, so I have to admit something. I never considered myself a feminist. I actually would say I was pretty anti-feminist what before you answer the first question. Let's unpack that. What about the Feminist. Did you associate with it? That was like your aunt II now this is so embarrassing. I knew the word feminazi okay, which is just offensive in and of itself and that I think was part of sort of the Lexicon even if it was subconscious. I thought it meant you had to be angry you had to hate men shave your armpits. Like there's no way you could be feminine and a feminist, right? So embarrassing because that is a complete misunderstanding and feminazi was a term I think coined in the late. He's by not Bill O'Reilly but you know part of the Fox News crew and there I was taking what they told me, right? And again remember this was, you know, early 2000s. Now you pass H&M and they have T-shirts that say feminism it's cool. So I pretty distance myself from that and it's interesting because my mother was the second class of women at her College real groundbreaking but never talked about it never talked about what it was like to be one of the only women and and so I I think took it for granted that things were equal now, but there was no more struggle and going to college. I mean women today are the majority of today's college graduates, right? So I don't think you fully realize that the power dynamics are unfair until you are in the workforce and usually it sword hits you and that's what it did for me. I wasn't expecting the the kind of sexism misogyny experience because to be honest, it wasn't really obvious, right and there's a term for that. It's called micro. Sessions. So there were all these little experiences that overtime kind of eroded my my sense of self. If I was more than just, you know, the girl helping the guy. I mean, I was always the person behind the scenes writing the script for my male bosses. And and that's fine when you're first getting started right but something I noticed in every single job I had when I started to gain confidence, you know, when I started to be the person on stage I felt that they were threatened I once had a boss that I was getting too big for my quote britches. Wow, and at the time I just felt bad, but now in doing the work that I do. I realize there's all there's some sexism in there to unpack right and it took having a really obviously sexist experience for me to do anything about it. So that was going to can to the advertising Festival that happens every year there when into a party guy comes up to me this older guy smiling lovely guy. She ghetto puts out his hand. He said hi. Whose wife for you? It's like it's awful Mad Men. We are still in Mad Men. Yep. And you know, this is a festival where they send the top CEOs of brands of agencies and unsurprisingly. That's a lot of guys right. It's like 10,000 people there and you feel it when you go to events. I mean, I remember going to this party and it was like the women there were all models and on then me, right and we were there for a week and I just felt gross. But again still I still couldn't call it out. I still felt uncomfortable saying that something was sexist and you know, I never want to be the one to point fingers. So I reflected on my rule in my experiences and I had been you know, people are drinking and I would be pitching the business that I was part of and and some guy would stop me and go you're hot and that happened for a week and I realized when I got home how fucking exhausted I was trying to navigate conversations from a place where I was being objectified or felt uncomfortable back to Business, you know when I was working for a company where we needed clients, right? So there's inherently a power dynamic in there where you can't tell somebody to f off you just can't you need their business, right? And so when I got home from Canada wrote this essay and the essay was not so much about my experience at can but rather my processing it. I thought that was actually the most interesting part of grappling with, you know, did I play a role in this was my skirt Too Short? Right, right. This is what women tend to do. It's got to be my fault. Not theirs. Right and I thought about publishing my essay. I was worried that I might lose jobs, you know that it might be misinterpreted as that kind of man. Hey TIG, right? And so instead I shared it with some girlfriends of mine who were like, yeah. Oh my god. I've experienced this to do. You mind if I share it with some of my friends and they shared it and those friends wrote back with their stories. And then this this essay sort of went viral in our inboxes, and this was before me too. You know became mainstream I guess and and it just was incredible to not be isolated in our experiences. Which also meant no more shame right? When you see that you are not the only one it normalizes your experience and it and it validates it which now allows you to do something about it. Right? So, you know, the next thing I did was not ladies get paid, you know, I just started to research feminism to be honest. I was like, what is the definition of this thing? And and You know women in the workplace. What is the wage Gap didn't know what that was and I started to uncover these statistics that were just so much worse than I thought. Yep, you know the fact that less than 22 percent of women are making it past middle management. No idea no idea the fact that the wage Gap is not 78 cents of the dollar for everybody. Right? If you are a woman of color we're talking about 63 to 68 cents. Right? Right, if you're Hispanic, let's get really granular here. If you are Hispanic woman you are making closer to 55. Five cents to the dollar and that actually was a statistic that made me do something because it was like if other people don't know that I mean listen, I'm an educated person and I was so embarrassed that I didn't know it and yep, you know, when you discover things like this, you have a couple of choices, you can ignore it. You can go. Well the problem is too big for me. I can't solve it. So you ignore it. You can keep reading about it and feel like crap third one. You can do something about it and I didn't do something for about a year because again, As an individual, how can you combat something? That is so systemic, right? So it took me a year before I just said let's get a bunch of women in a room and talk about this stuff. And so who was the immediate network of women that you reached out to and did you know the name of it? Yeah. So I was fortunate to have worked for a company called working not working working not working.com. Shout out to Justin and Adam. So it's a network of professional creatives mostly in the advertising and design space and they connect based on their Ability to work, right? You're working not working available soon. Got a big Network out of that. I also before was the director of marketing at an organization called the art directors club, which is now part of the one club and it's sort of the nonprofit version of working not working and so through that I had a really big network of women. Well, not really. I mean I actually was one of the guys gals like I really didn't have many girlfriends right? But so the weight that I started was I reached out to five women that I knew who I knew would totally get I was trying to do and my idea was let's let's do a town hall. Not a panel want to do a town hall about money, which essentially was you get on the microphone you share a story about what money means to you and then we try to see if you know other people can help you figure stuff out which is not really a town hall to be honest. I just called it that and and so I asked five women. Who do you think should be here? I want this to be really special. Who do you think won through three people you think should definitely be part of this conversation, you know, will you invite them or will you introduce them to me and kind of like my essay? That's how it happened because every time I got introduced to somebody I would then ask them. Who do you think should absolutely be part of this conversation? Yeah, right not just spread the word but who will add something really meaningful and who will be moved by this conversation and So within like two hours, we had a hundred women signed up. Holy shit, and that's how it started with, you know, no plans to create, you know, he even do another event it was Like a one-time. Let's just see if other people are also feeling this odd Judah that I have been right and I picked money because of what it represents so really for me less so about the dollars and more about power and worth and value and did we recognize our own value? And then the second part where we advocating for our value and then the third part is where we being recognized for Value turns out nobody was very happy with it. You know, we all felt kind of underappreciated so So I guess that you know, the good thing was that is that we all felt crappy, but then there was energy to do something right now. So you went from a hundred women to now you have over 40,000. Yeah. Yeah, that is amazing. I know I you know, it's one of those things where I want to say, I'm so lucky but you know what women tend to say that right? We're kind of putting it out of our own power, but then we're like, I hate it. I used to have a president that worked for my company. She's like, well, you're just so lucky. I'm like, I worked my fucking ass. Off there was no block here. I'm so glad you curse because I wasn't sure if I had weird the first year we curse me share a very intimate details. Well good because what I'm doing for work is fucking hard and and we're up against the fucking patriarchy without it. I mean, it's always a balance of push and pull right so you work really hard but then you step back and you see kind of like fate unfold but then you look at it and you go. All right, where am I going to push hard again? Yep, I and how do I be smart about it? So it is that constant? I'm hustling but I also have to just let it be because what I imagine this will become let the women surprise me. Yeah, right. Let them show me what they're really concerned about fascinated by moved by but I'm happy to say that the vision I had from the beginning we've done we've done almost everything. Wow. Yeah, I mean there's a lot more to do but I'm just really really proud of I think that's the better word. It's not that I feel lucky. I just feel proud. So what will you tell people because I have my own let's say within my own company things. I've had to negotiate for myself that I shouldn't have had to do. But you know, I do work in a structure of a company that I regret not pushing harder on then I was texting with a friend of mine who's the president of a company and she's all women pro whatever and she's like I have trouble advocating for myself and I'm trying to get a raise and I'm like, are you are you kidding me? Right now? You're the president of this company. Just tell him what you want and you're leaving and she's you know, so how How do you tell women that seemingly should be able to just very easily ask for what they want and they're still that like well, I don't know if I should get more. Yeah, I mean, I think you've got to start with your feelings and validate them. So before you jump to oh stop feeling bad. So I feel like it's like a bouncing ball on the top of a pool. If you keep trying to push the fears down it'll bounce back up if they really take some time to unpack. Why are all the reasons that you feel scared right? Do you feel You're going to lose the opportunity. Do you feel just so grateful that you know by asking for more you're going to seem greedy or pushy and if the answer is yes, then my question to you is why right? Why do you feel that way? And usually the responses were socialized to be that way? So that's also part of the validating. You're not making this up right women are taught to be nice and quiet and good. Here's the thing. There's the market research. Of course, that's that's sort of the unemotional part. Of what's your rate and that can be difficult to figure out and I can talk a bit more about how to do that. I think what's most important is seeing the value that you've brought and quantifying the impact and if you're not in a position where you're directly bringing in money, then that can be hard. Yep, right. So then you have to be a detective and that is my challenge to you is ask if you're unsure ask your manager. What's my impact here? How does the company make money and work backwards from that to see your place in? It's interesting that you mentioned somebody who's at the top. I think we all know the strongest negotiators are the ones who were able to walk away to your point. Right? So that's where it's always have your eyes open to other opportunities. Do your side hustle. I mean just just see all the ways that you can strengthen your position because sometimes at the end of the day that is the only way that you are going to get a raise is if you walk right. I guess I couldn't walk from my own company when I didn't negotiate for myself the The the maternity leave I should have taken, you know, well that's hard be like but it's your company. I'm like, yeah, but there's you know things and I don't know. Well the hard thing is now that we're hiring people were on the other side, right? We're like damn we have to pay people so much money and give them all the benefits and you know, and of course we should do that and we are yeah, but we're a very small company. It's just been myself and one other person so then the empathy I have for the other side. I mean and that's actually something we teach the women in our community. Is yes be a strong negotiator, but you have to do it with empathy totally and that will actually help you put yourself in their shoes and you'll probably be a stronger negotiator, right? I'm excited to tell you all about the pretty big deal podcast with Ashley Graham. If you aren't familiar with Ashley Graham, she is a super model entrepreneur body activists. And now the host of her very own podcast in this season 1 She interviewed such gas as Kim Kardashian Serena Williams and Amy Schumer and now she's back for a new season with new episodes launching every single week where she talks business confidence Family Fashion love and so much more. She recently launched three new episodes featuring journalist Gayle King. Businesswoman Cindy Eckert and model Paloma Alessa, sir, which you can listen to on Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. So tune in. So what are some of the biggest hurdles you've had to overcome in starting this from a hundred women to 40,000? I'm sure we could be here all day. But like what are some of the like those moments where you're like, I'm not sure if this gonna I'm like get my therapist here. Okay. So listen, I have two other companies that I started that epically failed. I don't like to call it a failure because I learned from them, but then I realized I think I was just in denial guess they were failures what I learned from them really really helped me. The solid base from which I grew ladies get paid and that was trust your decisions and I had work for a small company before this. So actually I you know, I am able to trust my decisions because I did see somebody else struggle with some of the things that I knew I was going to struggle with I would say the hardest thing for me isolating the variable that doesn't work. So for example, let's say we host a workshop and not that many people come. How do you know the reason why is it the price point the subject matter? Is it the time of Say the location. We didn't mark it enough. I mean there are so many reasons why something might not work. How do you know and that requires you to try it again and tweak a variable but to do that you have to have a strong stomach, right? You need to be willing to gamble money to try again. And then you also need to know when to cut your losses. That's not something that necessarily gets easier. It's still confusing at times to figure out why something doesn't work, but you do start to realize what does work and then you go hard into that yet. All right. Revenue stream is rocking. Let's do more of that. So I say that's the hardest and then of course the emotional roller coaster, but I find that I am more anxious working for somebody else then I am working for myself. Same thing with money. I am more anxious working for somebody else with a steady paycheck that I am working for myself with an unstable paycheck. And I think that comes from the market tells me if I did a good job or not versus a boss saying hmm. I didn't like your work at least with what I do if people don't show up for a class. Okay, let the market decide if they want my product so I don't know if it's my ego or you know, there's something easier for me about accepting how other people feel when their customers it just is way more objective. Yep. I've also gone on anti-anxiety medication without sound like I'm about to cry actually I'm not because I'm taking the anti-anxiety medication that has helped me so much in just stabilizing. Nothing is the end-all be-all when a mistake. Happens or I don't live up to some expectation. It's not the end of the world. It's not an indictment on my worth and ability to lead this company. That's not the right answer for everybody. But I'm going to be very honest for me in my journey that that's been a huge help for me. I also think it's a muscle that at least for me when there's been failures in the beginning. It seems like the biggest thing you're never going to recover from her when you lose an employee. It's like, oh my God, it's like you felt like you got broken up with but then it gets easier and then each failure is like Ok good. What do we do to fix it versus like I used to wallow in this Cesspool of Shame regret. I'm a failure, you know, and I think it just you just get really tough skin. Yeah. I think I mean oftentimes were told. Well don't take things personally. I actually think that that's bad advice right because it's sort of impossible and also it's good to take things personally, right, especially as women we feel we care but you have to know when you need to put that aside you need to put it in a bucket and see As what can I learn from this? Right? And I always say, you know designate dwell time. Let yourself for 15 minutes wallow back to like the bouncing ball on the top of the pool like acknowledge your feelings sit in it, but then say Okay moving on right? So being that you are the leader of the of ladies get paid and you know, definitely an example for these 40,000 women what happens when you're not listening to your own advice, or does that never happen? I say to everybody all the classes I teach I'm teaching for myself. Yeah, it's because their lessons that I have learned and I'm continuing to learn I talked about this with imposter syndrome and perfectionism because I think those are the two things that I've struggled with the most which is also a pretty gendered thing. I think a lot of women out there listening or probably nodding their heads and I tell my students that you're probably always going to have it. You're probably always going to be a perfectionist and sometimes feel like a fraud but what gets better is your ability to bounce back. From those feelings of shame or whatever they are. So I might you know get mad at myself for not living up to the perfectionist standard that I have. But whereas I would have been mad at myself for a day. It's the 15 minutes of dwell time, right? That's what gets better. And so you have to chart your progress that way so, you know, I'm teaching lessons for myself and I think that's why I've resonated with the community right and all my newsletters begin with a personal story of mine of something that I've struggled with and then it goes Goes into here's what you can do, right and a number of those things. I suggest I've done and then there are many things that I haven't been part of that. You know, I wonder if I'm a hypocrite or what but I'm there with you right and and that kind of empathy that I have sets the the tone for the rest of the community, which is be honest be vulnerable right help other people while you're also helping yourself. Yeah that we don't need to have experts on a pedestal so we should have experts and we do hire career coaches that You'd webinars. So so there's both, you know learn from the people who are still struggling and of course learn from the people who studied this. Right? Right and so being that is just the two of you. Is there a personal life? Well, I'm in a relationship with my co-founder which we've never said really publicly so good job Rebecca for you know, the quote one of the questions that I asked at the park is what would we be surprised to know about you so you might have just answered that question. Yeah, so the personal Life is intertwined with the business life. It's interesting. We get asked a lot. Is it hard working with your partner or do you ever you know have to shut off work talk? I think because the work that we do is mission-oriented right? It's not like we have a sock business or something, you know where there can be this like total separation. We're passionate about what we do and if we're not talking about ladies get paid we're talking about things that are ladies get paid esque. We're talking about the election. We're talking about women in politics, you know. So and we're so different that it's a clear division of labor also, and there's no real ego involved, right? So so I find it. I mean, it's funny if you brought her in here and you asked her if she'd probably be like, it's a nightmare to work with Claire. Just kidding. I'm like, I'm enjoying this personal life. I think there's not so much a personal life as there is a need for turning it off. There's a need for self-care, right? And that is the personal life is when I can feel like I can go to the gym and not be guilty that I'm not on my phone. That's been a journey. I feel pretty good. I was actually I'm very happy to turn off my phone now. Yes, took me 14 years to feel good about it. I put up an away message now. I'm just like hey, I'm focusing for the next day. I'm writing a book right now. So that's given me a great excuse right and by putting up that away message it does two things number one. It markets my book. You don't like coming out spring 2020 find out here. Right? Right. I do that and then the other thing is Gotten emails from people saying wow, I'm going to do that to I'm going to put up an away message saying I need to focus. So I again I give you start something it gives permission to other people and I feel the same way about ladies get paid in regards to talking about things that are vulnerable in my life it goes. Okay, it's fine. If you are it's better if you are for yourself and for other people because now they feel like it's okay totally. So you talk about traveling across the u.s. You travel all over the place right date all these women. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm taking a little break now because I have to focus your and a half ago. I did go across the country and I went to 1919 cities. Wow, hosting the town hall that I started ladies get paid with and how did you promoted? How did you know where to go? Like great question on that Journey? Yeah. So I've been hosting events in New York for about 7 months and you know, we have this online Network. So women all over the world were participating in a sense, but you know, I wasn't doing events in their cities. So many women were reaching out going will be will you come here? How do I start a chapter? And I resisted it because I didn't feel like I had gotten out of my system enough mistakes, you know, I was like, let me just see how to really get this into a solid place where I can now teach somebody else how to run a ladies get paid event. And it was very important to me that we not do sort of the typical panel like this this needed to be a facilitated conversation because that's the power of what tween everybody so it's not one expert or a for experts. Well, it starts that way. I mean, there's always women who begin the conversations who were looked at. Not necessarily as the experts but the the brave ones who you know who begin but then there has to be a group dynamic that's established. So it takes skill to be able to navigate a room of a hundred women or more and and there's a way to do it and the way that I do it is stand up if this story resonates with you and then I asked somebody to share and then I say to the room who can validate her story by sharing yours, but also share what you did right or ask for questions. So I did that in New York and then women reached out to me and I said listen, I'll go to your city. If you can commit to a certain number of events that you do throughout the year put together a big toolkit. What was best what was most interesting about putting together the toolkit was seeing where I felt very strongly about the brand right where the brand standards needed to be respected and where I was willing to just say listen Tulsa, Oklahoma, you know, what makes the most sense for your community. How do you interpret the ladies get paid message? Right and speaking of feminism. I was actually told by somebody in Tulsa that Word feminism is referred to as the other f word. Wow. So then the question becomes well does ladies get paid even make sense here? Right and the thing it does women everywhere want to be recognized and rewarded. So, so I said, I'll just show up. That's what I'll do. If you are going to commit to certain number of events in a year almost the first one to show you how it's done but also to learn from a marketing perspective how the message is being interpreted. So I went to random cities to be honest, and I don't know if that was the best strategy but you know, for me, it was fascinating because one night I did Detroit Michigan and then the next night I flew to Grand Rapids, Michigan and to see where things were Universal but then where were things different and you'll appreciate this the thing that I found Most Fascinating was how people dressed actually so and also cities that I had never been to like Atlanta super cool let you know and also could have just been who decided to show up that night so I shouldn't make generalizations about cities, but listen, I'm Make generalizations and what people wore that was the most different cultures of participation. So in Minneapolis, really nobody spoke up, so I went home feeling like it was a disaster and then I got emails from women telling me that it had been transformative the best event they ever went to and I was talking to some of our ambassadors in Minneapolis. And that's how we've been able to expand. We have an ambassador program and they said that the culture in Minneapolis is sort of a passive one and it comes from I guess it's Nordic or the settlers that came to Ellis passed down this kind of passive-aggressive or you know, I was learning about the geography of the u.s. So at least, you know, I had the wherewithal to know that the New York attitude is not everybody's attitude right in terms of marketing the events. I didn't really have to because we always begin each event with a number of women who share and we did the same thing that we did the first event. Who do you think should be part of this conversation? Yeah and never paid marketing at I mean, I've never bought a Facebook ad we should start doing that. Now it's time to get strategic not view of only 40,000 members. You should start getting serious, right? Yeah. So what do you say to companies who see women as an opportunity to market to in this way and use the idea of like we support women but it's really to get them to buy from this company. So the inside doesn't look like the outside great question. So the way that ladies get paid makes money, we've got various revenue streams, but the big way that we make money right now. It's Partnerships with Brands and these are brands that want to do three things. They want to Market to women, right so that's kind of the performative aspect that you mentioned. They want to help their employees right provide Career Development and that helps their employees feel happier and stay and you know, it's called retention and it's expensive to lose employees. So this is a moneymaker for them in order to keep their employees. And the third one is they're looking for talent. They can hire from us. We need to be careful about the companies that we partner with right because Your point the inside doesn't always match the outside the same time if a company has historically struggled and I'm not going to name any names but there's a few that we've you know, we're thinking about working with if they're showing us a commitment to making real change right and not just the ad campaign, right but they're they're firing people who sexually harassed women. They are pledging pay parity. They are investing in a number of career development initiatives including sending their women to our conference. We want to work with the company right because so many are struggling if we said oh, well, we're only going to work with those that have pristine reputations. Well chances are they wouldn't want to work with us? They don't need us right. So so that that can be tough and also were held to a very high standard. Yeah. So we also have to be able to explain to our community why we are partnering with it with an organization that may have struggled in the past makes sense. So you already answered the maybe the what we might be surprised to know about you. Is there anything else we might be surprised to know about you? Besides Botox in your armpit. Oh my goodness. Yes. No shame highly recommend. I think usually it's that I didn't consider myself a feminist something that you may be surprised to find out is that I'm friends with AOC Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. I knew her in college. Uh, yeah and amazing. She came to the second Workshop that I organized. Wow, three years ago. Yeah. We did have Workshop called get unstuck. This is for women who were unhappy in their careers and she was she was I was working as a bartender came to the class hired the career coach, which is like the best testimonial that this career coach will ever have worked with her for a year and then came to a town hall that we did called reinvention. And this was about women, you know, rethinking not just their careers, but sort of who they wanted to be in their life and she was not on the panel because she hadn't done anything yet, but she was in the audience and she stood up in front of a hundred and fifty women and said I have always wanted to run for office, but you know people like me don't usually run women. Like me don't run but I'm going to do it. Wow. I'm going to do it and people cheered. I cried because the hardest part sometimes is just declaring yourself publicly and we have this feeling I mean we knew she was going to do it but no we didn't know she was going to win right so I'm gonna take credit just you should I was part of the journey and and she really exemplifies. What I'm hoping to do with ladies get paid, which is you come to solve your own problems. And then you realize this is Much bigger, right and that you have a responsibility to step up use your privilege and bring other people with you. I love it. Thank you. I love what I do. Thank you for having me. Oh my God. Thanks for being here and working women find out about ladies get paid. Yeah ladies get paid.com. I will forever be thrilled with myself for buying the URL smart. I'm not changing the name of the company even if you don't like it because I got the URL. I got the social handles so find us at ladies get paid on all social platforms and then I'm going to just promote my own Instagram because I always Forget to talk about you know myself. So Claire Wasserman EXO and like I mentioned before I'm writing a book and a lot of the book comes from people writing me and telling me about the things that they're struggling with and and my book hopefully will help solve that so I'd love to hear from you. That was clear Wasserman. If you want to know more about what she's building head on over to ladies get paid or follow them on Instagram.

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This is optimal living daily episode 15 11 between peace and pursuit by Greg Audino of Greg Audino.com. And I'm your narrator Justin moloch reading you blogs or articles every single day of the year to help you live a more meaningful life covering personal growth self-help, minimalism productivity happiness and more today's author is life coach Greg ID know who also happens to host two of our other shows optimal relationships daily and our newest show optimal living advice. Ice where he answers your life questions with his expertise as a life coach now before we get to his post if you have a business or you know, someone who does you probably know that small business owners wear a lot of hats and some of those hats are totally great but some like filing taxes and running payroll, for example, not so great. 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There are the Psychopaths that walk between skyscrapers on tightropes. Then there's everyone in between. What's the common denominator? What I want to do in this Reed is shed light on one simple practice that stands as a sweet spot between a peaceful. Everything is great type of life versus the life of someone who constantly seeks challenges and covering new ground to feel their best. That practice is allowance allowance is the key ingredient for both parties here and though it results in the same goal for each one the path by which it does so and the reason that it's so meaningful is different. What do I mean by allowance? Well, this is pretty first grade really it means allowing things to happen really take a second to consider the weight of that though consider how much that permeates into your life. I'm talking about allowing feelings events catastrophes impulses everything. It's a lot to wrap one's mind around. So let's go ahead and break this thing down it all starts with something happening to you that elicits a negative reaction. Let's say these some things can be broken down into two categories interior and exterior as far as the interior goes a feeling comes over you right at face value feelings can then be broken down into emotions and urges. What does it look like to allow a negative emotion like anger sadness jealousy Etc to allow a negative emotion means to feel it with Resistance is to say yes, I'm feeling angry sad jealous and that's all right. It may not be in my best interest to be feeling this way. But it's how I'm feeling right now. And that's fine. Theoretically if you got to a place where you're so good at allowing everything such feelings wouldn't come up but chances are that's a ways off. So in the meantime to accept these emotions without supplementary commentary about how wrong it is to be feeling them is what it means to allow negative feelings. What about when this feeling is coming off? So as more of an urge, let's say feeling murderous. For example, let's dive in headfirst right when you have a negative feeling that's provoking you to act in a negative way. You're still granted the opportunity to allow this feeling no matter how much you might frighten any part of you whether or not you choose to engage in the action is a different conversation for a different read but to not judge yourself harshly for having certain urges in the first place is where allowance comes in. So where patience comes in if need be it's also the attitude that will enable you the Ability to seek help for yourself. Remember there's nothing wrong with Desiring and pursuing certain outcomes. It's human nature. However to not be resistant of your current circumstances is an integral part of life and there's absolutely a difference between the two and then on the other hand you have the interior feelings that don't have quite as much weight to them but still pry you out of your comfort zone. I'm talking about the random urge to take the long way home, even though you really should get back soon or the inclination to step out of the office and watch the sunset even though you still have another hour worth of Paperwork to sift through that sort of thing is the innocent things you normally resist by saying no now I really shouldn't these kinds of instances make that different conversation about whether or not you engage in certain actions that I mentioned earlier a whole lot easier but still the allowance is the same. It's allowing yourself to get taken away slightly off schedule. It's allowing the small unique callings into your life. Thereby getting more comfortable and in tune with the present then of course there's that rough tumbling exterior. There's those things that happened to you on the exterior that are really out of your hands such as the death of a loved one. Losing your job or your home going up in Flames. Don't get overwhelmed. There are smaller things too. Don't forget about people gossiping about you being treated unfairly at work or my favorite example that seems to come up in every single thing. I write traffic let alone War famine and other tragedy that could be thousands of miles away the lack of control we have over these things can make them much easier or much harder to allowed. Depending on who you are either way to let them be should not be so clouded as to assume that they're undeniably wrong for you or wrong for the world grants you the ability to allow them to happen and understand even briefly that we don't have all the answers in this way allowance lifts a huge weight off the shoulders of those that bear the burden of claiming to know the perfect order of events. That should be taking place. We've been talking for a few minutes here. But how does this tie together? What does all this have to do with different paths towards meeting the As versions of ourselves this may sound like the hottest take ever but the fact is that inner peace and challenging oneself are in many ways the same thing. We aren't living in a state of resistance when you're flowing and allowing things to be as they are even if you're gently pursuing something more appealing. Of course, it's a form of Peace. It's also a challenge though because this is against our instincts to accept things that are way off your agenda and breaks the normal cycle of what you planned on or anticipated is challenge leaning into all of these unexpected undesirable things regardless of how severe they are is a practice in both peace and challenging yourself to leave your comfort zone. The post titled between peace and pursuit by Greg Audino of Greg Audino.com and don't forget Gusto offers modern easy payroll and benefits to small businesses across the country. There are even named best online payroll by PC mag. Get three months free. When you run your first payroll at Gusto.com old don't wait. Now's the best time to get set up. That's custo.com. Oh LD I'll do for today. Have a great day, and I'll see you tomorrow where your optimal life awaits.

Greg Audino shares his thoughts on balancing peace and pursuit. Episode 1511: Between Peace and Pursuit by Greg Audino on How To Balance Personal Growth & Being Happy with Your Life Greg Audino is both a certified life coach and an actor. He combines his passions to create short and digestible videos which shine new light on the turbulent areas of life that many of us already have our minds made up about. Constantly seeking to share new insight, Audino uses humor and a variety of PG-13 examples to offer a refreshing and more relatable approach to self-development. TV fanatics can find him with principle roles on shows like Westworld, Now Apocalypse, NCIS:LA, and Jane the Virgin to name a few. Greg's videos, as well as information about becoming a life coaching client of his, can be found at gregaudino.com. Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts! Gusto is making payroll, benefits, and HR easy for small businesses. Get 3 months free once you run your first payroll with our link: Gusto.com/OLD --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/optimal-living-daily/support

This is by far still the most asked question of me and still I give the same answer almost every single time. Let's talk about it helping you navigate the music industry. Here's Rick Barker with the music industry blueprint podcast. So the question is this will you be my manager? What will it take to get a manager? When should I get a manager? Why can't I get a manager sound familiar? So first and foremost, I'm very flattered when anyone asks if I would be interested in being their manager. It shows that hopefully I'm doing something right that they feel this attraction towards me and then what I usually do is I get with them and I asked them what is it that you currently have that needs to be managed. And then usually this long pause happens I said, okay. Well, let me ask you a couple questions. Are you okay with that? They're like, of course I said, okay. Do you currently have a record company? Usually the answer is no. Okay. So you don't need anyone to manage and be the go-between between that do you currently have a booking agent know? Okay, so you don't need a manager for that. Did you make at least $100,000 with your music last year? Most the time the answer is no I said, okay. Well had you made that your manager would have only made between 15,000 to 20,000 dollars I said, so that's why it's really hard right now for you to get a manager one is you don't have anything to manage into you can't afford to pay one. Let me ask you this. Do you need a manager to help you write music your manager doesn't help you write music. Do you need a manager to help you produce? Music? That's not what your manager does do you do? I need a manager in order to put your music up on CD Baby right now. You do not need a manager to give you permission to put up your website to give you permission to engage with your fans. You do not need a manager right now. What you need is advice and you need guidance and you need to get yourself in a position to where you're attractive for a manager. So usually what I lay it out like that people start to completely understand, you know. Often times to as I think people are misguided in believing that if they have a manager that you know, all these magical things are going to start happening. Well that can happen. I'm not going to say it can't but you need to make sure that your manager today is up to date with what's going on with social media. They understand song registration. They understand intellectual property. They understand digital marketing. They understand the internet because I don't care how long you've been in this business. The game's changed and unless you've changed with it and unless your managers changed with it. You could be you know, going down a very interesting Road. I also suggest right now. Another question that I get a lot when it comes to management is should I sign a contract? I like to date the artists that I'm going to end up working with take a couple months, you know, see how the relationship goes. Is everything on about how much money they make you but see if you guys get along see if it makes sense see if the person showing up and really there for you. The key is finding someone who first you can trust to that. You don't get offended when they try to coach you, you know, you definitely don't want to surround yourself with a bunch of yes people but you know spend a couple months working together and see what happens see if it makes sense. That's what super important as well also too is don't discard. Someone because they don't have previous experience. I didn't have previous experience. When I started managing Taylor Swift. What I had was a passion for her a passion for her music a willingness to do the work a willingness to go get the answers. That's why my book is called the $150,000 music degree everything I learned about being a manager. I learned by doing, you know, I wasn't fortunate to go to a university but heck nowadays the universities and the colleges their teaching. A lot of very broad subjects because the game changes so fast, so they'll bring people like me and to talk about it, but the key right now I think is if you could get your music right at all starts with the music educate yourself the best you can on the business that you're in there's plenty of great podcast, you're listening to one right now. There are plenty of great books that are out there. I'll make some suggestions in the show notes. You could pick up Ari her stands book. You could pick up Donald passman. Book, there's some other great podcast. You can listen to Creative Juice podcast. You can listen to the musician monster podcast. You can listen to Bob Baker's PopCap podcast John. Oh Jacques podcast live mchenry's podcast Chris Greenwoods podcast, there's tons of podcasts that are out there right now as well. And what I'd love to do is if you haven't picked up a free copy of my book yet head on over to music industry blueprint.com. You can grab Yourself a free physical copy or digital copy information is on the website while you're there to you can also take the artist assessment. It's really hard to know where you're going. If you don't know where you're starting so I ask you some very specific questions based on, you know website income shows played songs registered at things like that. It will give you a real good understanding of where you are. It's my gift to you check it out and you will find that as well at music industry blueprint. Dot-com you guys have been fantastic. Your questions are always so awesome. And I really appreciate it. And if you found this helpful, you can go leave a review share it with someone and I will talk to you on the next episode. Ciao. You've been listening to the music industry blueprint podcast with Rick Barker. You can follow Rick on Twitter at Rick Barker music and remember you don't drown by falling into the water you drowned by staying there.

Do you need a manager? When should you sign a management contract? What makes a good candidate for a manager? Are you currently attractive to managers? What can you do WITHOUT a manager? These are all the questions I'm answering regarding Managers on the latest episode of the MIB podcast. Don't miss this - these are the questions I'm always asked the MOST! 👍🏻 "You do not need a manager right now. You need advice and guidance...." - Rick Barker What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here! ***Want to be a guest on the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? *** Send an email to [email protected] With the following information: Name, website, social handles, questions you would like to ask Rick and contact information  Resources: Access to Rick  "All You Need To Know About The Music Business" by Donald Passman "How To Make It In The New Music Business" by Ari Herstand The Bobby Cast Free Training “How To Become A Social Media Ninja In Under An Hour.” Click HERE If you're listening after January 24, 2019 & Want the Free Training! Artist Assessment with Rick: Facebook Instagram Youtube Twitter Soundcloud RickBarker.com Contact: [email protected] for a chance to be a guest on the MIB podcast show --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

Hello and welcome to today's episode of Empire school today. I am joined with someone who's going to be talking about something that you probably have not thought about before her name is Bob's Jemison, and I'm pretty excited because not only are we in my house right now, but Babs is also a client of mine and things started a little bit differently. She was building a business in a slightly different Niche doing things that well a pretty different what she's doing that. So badass welcome to impact school. And yeah, John just give everyone a bit of a background about what you are doing and why you're doing it sure. So when I started working with Lauren, I joined your course we back and I've actually been in Empire school for months now and but I joined as an online fitness coach trying to build an online Fitness business and I have a background as a lawyer. I've worked as a lawyer for years and years and Running is a bit qualifying five and a half and four fights like seven a half its total weight. So you have a good level of knowledge and expertise in that field. Yeah hundred percent, but I was just like so like probably many online business owners are I was just so done with like the world of like law firms and big corporate and stuff. I worked for law firms. I worked in the highest in businesses and I was just like done with like the politics and I just wanted to be my own boss and I love to go to the gym and things like that and I loved like I used to be a dance teacher like yours goes. Well, so I was like really into fitness anyway, and so I kind of saw that the way I did for me was to be working as an online fitness coach. So I did that for a few. Well, I see about a year and a half I felt was at that for and I was working with you and building my my Fitness business through impact school for a few months and then I kind of realized that it wasn't really what I wanted to do. It wasn't really the way that my business seemed to be going and what I was Finding was that every day I was Eating in the fitness world was asking me all these legal and business questions. And what I discovered was it like there is so many people out there that didn't actually fully understand what they were meant to be doing and yeah, we're going to talk about the importance of that today on the episode because my arm I have I learnt a lot of Since since you've made this pervert Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's something that a lot of people are doing or like Noah baton things that obviously happen people are asking you for advice when it came to legal things. Yeah. Yeah, let's just dive in on that for a bit. So you obviously basically listen to the market. Yeah, it was you listening to your friends or whatever for sure, but you were basically taking on the feedback that was out there and I think this is so important because like I think often times our very best business idea can be right in front of us and a similar thing happened to me. Actually. I was really good at Fitness coaching and I built a really successful online Fitness business. What I found that more people were coming to me for was actually learning. How did you build this business? Yeah, right. It wasn't necessarily so much about the how how do I check my girls and all that anymore it then became that people were coming to me for something else. Yeah, which is what I realized that what I was really good at and you had so much experience in that. Yeah. I think that's what it was and I definitely felt more confident and it as well and I was getting people kind of knocking on the door a bit more about the fitness stuff. Yeah. So everyone listening today you are going to be getting some amazing information. So if at any point along the way of this podcast you realize wow, this is insane. I need this information in my life and everyone will at least one person who's following me would find this valuable to make sure to just take a screenshot share it on your story and tag the both of us do and tell them your exact handle is just bad Jameson. Would you want to see that out for them? Yes. It's ba ba sgem IES or n exactly and then I'm just at Lauren ticknor just share and then we'll Share on our stories, but I think the information that you're going to be hearing on this episode here today is going to be so valuable because I know that even as a business owner who's been in business by myself, since I was 18 19 years old, I really didn't take the legalities behind having my own business seriously for a very long time. And I know that we basically had a conversation. How does it how did you finally decide? You know that this is what you were going to go all in on I think like I was getting such a lot of satisfaction and like kind of just drive and happiness from seeing people coming from like they're growing their businesses. They're doing really really well. They're excited about the money. They're coming in the clients are bringing in but then they don't realize that there's all this whole other world of stuff that they have just not been paying attention to right and I was getting a lot of satisfaction from helping my friends from like running only businesses and things like that get things in order and I found it like a really good way to connect with people. I find it a good way to be like Involved in other people's businesses. I think that really kind of interesting and something that I really enjoy doing. It's like I get to into your business. I know you're letting this but you were like I'm losing about was like super nosy. Yeah, I could put into your business and be like, right. So this is what your business does you need to do. It signs in that's going to sort out. Yeah, and it means that you can it's guess I Fitness coach like it goes into the lives of all the individual people that they're working with for me. I just find actually a lot more interesting to go into the businesses that everybody's running and help them Hannah make it legit and Not have to worry. I feel there's a lot of people that were setting up at night. Wondering am I doing this? Right and I can't watch tax. Am I what happens if somebody takes my business ideas what happens if someone steal my clients what happens if someone doesn't pay me all these questions that are actually really really easy to answer but that people who don't have a background in it find it really overwhelming. Yeah, because there's so much legal. Jargon. Yeah, just like when someone gets into online marketing, yeah and they start seeing all these different things like Facebook. As and campaigns and and like PBC and let all these different like toms and terminologies. It's super confusing and super overwhelming. And so that's why I think what you're doing is highly valuable time of when you mentioned to me that it's something that you would be interested in doing. I was just like whoa, because no one's doing this. Yeah, no one's doing it and not only people that you here talking about the legal side of businesses literally old men in America. Yeah, and the problem is I have been trying to find out information and and when getting contracts made and things like that and I like to hire people who I can listen to on a book laughs right? I don't like to do things in the typical way in which you phone up a company and then they give you a quote and then they do the work because how do I know if they're good? I kind of Judge it based upon how good they sound on podcasts and what content I've seen on theirs and I think that's interesting because I would say I'm sort of the new age of business owner and I'd say a lot of people operate how I do as my dad he would do it way differently. Yeah, and he would just do some Googling and probably find what's the best book based on SEO almost on referrals? And so I think it's really cool that this opportunity is here for you now, and I think that you're making the most of it. Yeah, and I think that you know, the time is only going to keep going by and so people listening to us right now be like Babs and make the most of the opportunity that is here right now. Now and actually start something and I'm rude you're going to be able to help so many people. Yeah it is. So this is obviously what you're doing. Now. I know that everything that you're doing is in such high demand and so because of the fact that it's in such high demand, would you be able to give us a bit of inside of information right? I want to share with our listeners about how they can protect that Empire legally so that let's just say someone tries to sue them they don't lose. Dane go bankrupt and their business crumble. So I feel like every really valuable if we could just start from the beginning. Let's say they just don't have any legalities in place in that business. Yeah, what are some of the most important things to have in place for a client business AKA someone who is an online coach or a consultant or their own agency? Yeah. What's the most important things for them? So the first thing absolutely first thing is this the thing that I always do my clients is to make sure as you see that everything is set up properly. Up early. So whether you choose to work as a sole Trader IE, just you just learn techno just me or if you want to work as a partnership with somebody else or if you want to stay up as a limited company and I feel like people don't really feel you understand what the difference is between all of those are so if you're running as yourself or just like in a kind of informal partnership with someone else what you have to realize and appreciate is that if you get sued for something if you do something wrong someone fight if you get fined by the way, Ricci body which people think it doesn't happen really does and or if you get sued that's all your money. That's so that's what they're going to come to you Lauren ticknor and take all your money because you are a sole Trader you're not protected yourself in any way that's fine as a kind of way to start I and it's quite informal and there's not a lot you need to do but it does expose you to this extra risk. Okay, so I have a question on this. I was a sole Trader when I was first doing my online fitness kitchen, then I was told us Soon as I was making 80 grand a year, I needed to register as a limited company. Yeah, so that's that's kind of true but not fully true. Okay, so it's kind of true because you have to be in start when she hit eating and a year you have to start charging for that. So that's why it makes sense to roadsters limited company. However, you can register as a limited company to deal with no money. You need like 30 quid to register a limited company and the benefits of having that is like you only lose what you've put in so if you put 500 closer into your company Crank that is my personal investment as a shareholder in the company and I'm going to use that to say out this company. That's all you're going to lose. So if someone Sue's you they can't come after your house your car everything's in your new hairstyle Bank can only come after what's in your company bank account which could still be a lot of money. Yeah, but he can't make you bankrupt got you'd only shut down your company. Yes. So this is really interesting. So first thing I want to say on that and just about this episode of impact school in general is that we obviously We talking based upon the UK laws. However, I can imagine that it's probably pretty similar around the world whether you're in America and things like that, but Babs has examples I guess pretty much that's what we did this. Are there going to be based on UK law. But at the same time it probably is quite similar or around the world. Just if you're in another country, make sure to do your own research, but Babs is going to be highlighting the importance and sort of some first kind of steps. And so this is going to be valuable for every single person. Listen all around the world. If you've ever made 1 pound 1 dollar 1 Yen, how you say it from anything online or whatever. So just on this topic a sole Trader. So if I let's just say I am going to do some selling some stuff on eBay. Do I need to register as a sole Trader to do that? If you're going to sell like some old shoes and I don't know hold handbag something like that. I really really wouldn't bother like you're not conducting it by way of business. You're probably going to meet I don't know a couple hundred quid if you're being really honest hmrc aren't really going to cure but the tax authorities aren't really going to care too much about by the way. Those quit means pounds just a thing. You can fish Scottish fellow Americans probably don't know what it means. Well, I'm actually qualified me years as well. Oh I can also help me. Yes stuff. Yeah, that's cool. Yes. Okay. So in order to answer that no, I okay. So hang on hang on so, okay. So fine selling stuff on eBay whatever so I am an online coach and I don't have any clients. I still set up some to Company Limited. Yeah. Okay. Tell me why because whatever you do you are protected. Okay. So even if you only ever get three clients and you only ever make 1,500 quid something like that, but somebody Sue's you can still sue you that one but one of those clients could still sue you and it means that the money that's in that akane the stuff they're assets and the money that your business orange that's the only thing we can go in and kind of have recourse against okay, so if I'm a limited company and I'm making I have these three clients making fifteen hundred or whatever. Well does that mean I have to still submit my VA T returns know you only need to charge beauty or in America sales tax? Once you've hit a certain threshold, so I can't remember off the top of my head what it is in the States but in the UK, it's like eating and dozen a year interesting. Okay, that's really good to know. Okay, so just on the topic of getting sued, right? So anyway, so hang on we spoke about sole Trader. Yep, which really people probably shouldn't do. Okay. So in America, that's the sole proprietor. Yeah. So in America, they can either be an LLC and escort a c-corp is the same things apply that That I feel like it's a bit different. I feel like maybe no one else has this is this type of thing specifically, it's probably maybe better for an accountant as to whether you should be an LLC and Escobar C Corp. Yeah, you can work with a lawyer or an accountant. Okay, either of it. Like if it doesn't matter people normally go to accountants because they're a little bit cheaper for this kind of thing like think and this is one of the reasons that I provide the coaching that I do as well is because law firms are inherently very expensive this kind of stuff. Yeah, we're as accountants can Which is why you're you're also teaching people how to expand. It's such a valuable thing to know because it's also not only is it helpful for you, but it's also, you know, it's kind of a cool thing to be able to tell your friends there. Oh, yeah. This is what you should be doing in this area. Like I just feel like it's such a valuable skill to know the law because unfortunately, it's just something that none of us have any control over we have to play by those rules. This is the thing and if you have everything in place and you have everything sorted and you've particularly as much as you can it doesn't Keep the risk, but it really reduces your risk. Yeah, because then if someone comes if someone threatens to sue you, you know how to act and when you understand the law, so okay. So I guess like when it comes to the difference tune, LCS, corpse Eagle Panola. Do you personally to have any sort of understanding of how people should go about making the decision to be honest if it is like you're setting up an American company go to an American painter. Yeah, but I found generally an LLC or fit for me. Most purposes but I would speak to an American accountant. Yeah, because like that type of specific thing is more so about like your tax it helps with your tax. Yeah Okay cool. So I feel like we've got Clarity that so talking about getting sued again. So one thing which I feel people don't purchase is Insurance. Yes. Okay. So can we talk about having insurance as a Us owner. Yeah, and if you're running a business at the moment and you don't have insurance in place, you are running an incredibly incredibly high risk. So as I spoke about before it when you have a company in place, it means that we course Colonel biggest company and not use an individual that recourse shouldn't even happen to you as a company. If you're paying your insurance premiums and something happens. It's covered by your insurance. So you want to make sure that you've definitely got like professional Indemnity cover in place. If you're selling a product tell me what that means, sir. Looks like your services your Professional Services that you're providing are covered by Insurance. What does covered by Insurance actually means so it means like I think this those sweet like easy, I forget how to make a dime right? And so it covered by Insurance means that you basically pay a premium amount every month to insurance company and you are if you're sued for instance you'd be covered up to like a million pounds if that's what the cover on your insurance is, so So if you're sued for 500 Grand you're covered if you're sued for 1.5 like five you're covered up to a million. Yeah, so the extra 500 K is on you. It's on you. Yeah, got you. Okay. So professional Indemnity insurance. Yeah. Okay. So can you tell us what Indemnity actually means? Yes law Indemnity means putting you back in the position you were in before. Oh, okay. Yeah, so actually you'll see Indemnity and like contracts and things if you sign up for terms conditions if you do like it. Brand deals or client contracts that kind of thing. You'll see the word Indemnity and it basically means putting somebody back in the position they were in before. So if you indemnify me and you've done something wrong and you've cost me a thousand pounds, you have to put me back in that position. So it's like okay. This makes perfect sense now Okay, cool. So insurance is that any sort of other insurance that people might need yeah. It just depends definitely you need professional Indemnity insurance and most insurance. These providers will just provide kind of General business insurance. But if you are selling products, you need product liability insurance. Yeah public liability as well public liability. Generally. Yes, if you're working with the general public. Yeah, right. Okay. So I guess like the majority of people who do client work with that will be covered should be covered in your kind of General business insurance. So she usually covered in that and then you'll have employers liability insurance if you have employees, there's people who wouldn't yeah, can we talk about the yeah. Most startups won't have people working for them. And then when they eventually do it will probably be more on a kind of contractor basis. So don't really need employee employer and liability insurance. But if you eventually have people that you take on as employees you need that. Okay, so let's dive into this because I know that we've been having quite a lot of conversation about this lately because Bob's help me with all my contracts for my contractor's. Yeah, so This is an interesting one because I only recently realized that it made more sense for me to have my team members be contractors. Yeah, rather than employees after I had a conversation with my accountant. Yeah, so I didn't really understand this before. So can we highlight the difference for people so that they understand this so contractors basically people are King on a self-employed basis for you, so they can work in the same way that this wasn't for they can work as a sole Trader or they can work through their own limited company, but they're working on a self-employed basis. So you're not their employer you give them work and you pay them a fee for that work and but that's kind of weird ends. If you have an employee you are responsible for things like maternity P sick pee-hole DP any other kind of obligation that goes a long? Along with employment you have to make sure there's certain employment rates their people have to have yearly appraisals. There's the whole kind of rail the whole world that most of us have probably experienced being in the workplace. But you have to have if you have an employee. Yeah. It also means you have to pay income tax and National Insurance or Social Security payments in the US and on behalf of your employees, whereas if you just have them as contractors, you don't have to deal with any of that stuff and they pay for their own tax. Yeah, I mean it sounds very much. Like it's way more beneficial to have them as contractors. Yeah, the same time something that I have found is like well if there are contractor they can't just be committed to your company. You can't legally force them to only work for your company, right? Yeah. So are there any other negatives to having them as contractors? It's basically you just need to make sure if you have contractors, but they don't look like employees to the tax authorities so you can have them do. Do things like the can have to turn up to your place of business every day? You can have to you know, you can't make them comply with your policies and procedures, you know, like health and safety and things like that because it just doesn't make sense. Right and you can't basically have them integrated into your business. You have to purely look like a third party supplier and there's like changes. There's actually tax law changes that are coming in and equal to 20. So it's not long over six months away. This is in the UK. And maybe heard some their cold ir35 changes that it basically means that the tax authorities are going to become a lot more stringent on this stuff. And if a contractor is providing Services through a limit the one limited company to your limited company, which is a thing and that if you look at all like an employee that everybody there can be fined by the tax authorities. So it's about to get a whole lot scarier cell. Damn. That is crazy. Okay, so see this is why it's important. Want to know these things because like yeah, I would have no idea. Otherwise, what is the I have no idea and that's in very interesting. I feel like a lot of people who have online businesses a very liable for this type of thing. Yeah, so, okay, so we obviously spoke about that now, I think that one thing here is that we need to talk about contracts between these two parties. So first of all, let's talk about the agreement between a contractor and you and then also the agreement Doing you and your clients. Yeah, because I feel that this is just so important and it's something that so many people just don't do you go by email or they go by just like messages and it's just not good enough. So let's first start with talking about I'd say because it's probably more relevant for them dry to people but the agreement between a client and then also, you know between the client and then you because I know that you helped me. Out a lot when it came to me helping my clients with this particular topic. So can you help the listeners of this episode so that they can understand you know, what needs to be in place for them to be backed and enjoy that their clients can't disregard their agreement. Yes or something. I hear a lot from people is all but my clients would just get annoyed if I sent them stuff and I don't want to hang them and I don't want to make them print something out and saying it and scan it. I can and actually if you speak to someone who knows that the stuff you realize that that's not even essential and actually the protection you get from just annoying them for 2 seconds is actually we like it. We outweighs the cost and you're not even really going to annoy them from what I'll make sure to tell you which is you don't actually have to have them print stuff off sign it scan it back. It's a lot of people think that you need to do. You can literally just say to them here are my terms and conditions. If you don't agree to these you don't need to go ahead with these are But since you don't need to purchase this program, whatever it is, you're selling or you can have like an online kind of signing program as well. If you want them to have an actual signature to it. But basically when you have that document in place, it's going to make sure that they can if they are going to ever sue you for anything that they're only going to sue you up to certain amount you want to limit that so again, we spoke about having the insurance in place. You don't want to use all that insurance on one client. So you want to make sure that that's limited and as low down as you possibly can but you also want to make sure that They have kind of requirements in place to make sure that you pu at a specific time because if you end up having to like go for people for payment if they've not made their subscription payments that kind of thing to you. If you've got paid for products that they've purchased you just want to make sure that you have something in writing that says that they were meant to do that so that if you ever have to take this further here, I have to go to court or goes to some kind of like credit agency that kind of thing that you have something in place that says that you're entitled to yeah. Can I Just say as well. This is one thing that people don't think is ever gonna happen to them. So people think oh, but my clients are amazing. They'll never do this. I'll never not pay me. But unfortunately when it comes to money people act way out of character and so I've had it multiple times where my really good clients have not paid. They've gone off the radar. They just vanish and fortunately we have really good. Thanks to you. We now have really good, you know contractual terms and conditions and everything like that in place. And we also have a full-on team of people who are going to go ahead and Chase those payments, right? So obviously when you're first starting out, you don't have that team to chase the payments, but if you have the correct terms conditions in place, then you don't actually need that team because if then you were just like going to get a lawyer on them, then you're going to be winning, right? So for me, I have the team because I you know, it's Easier for me to spend a bit of money every month to have that dealt with because that for me it's like a lot of efforts after I should take one client corn this probably you are not going to be so worth it. I don't know but at the same time like if I didn't have that tons of dishes in place, then I'd be screwed because there's no reason for them to actually pay me exactly and if it ever did go to court and it's unlikely, but it could yeah, if it ever did go to court you then have to prove that you were meant to deliver a service right? What time? School becomes very complicated if you have all written down and they've said yeah, this is fine by agree to this. There's no regulating out of that. Mmm. Okay, so let's talk about writing it down. So would it count if it was in like Facebook messages or Instagram DM's so it's not a legally binding. Well, it is a legally binding contract technically, but it's important because it's written down but it's not easy for a court to ever look at it and see this is exactly what the parties agreed. So it would make any court process more time consuming. Aiming for more expensive. Yeah and much less certain as well because there could be obviously different interpretations of what somebody men and iMessage and some might say yeah, I'm totally up for that and you've taken that as I am paying for the program, but they didn't mean that at all. They just meant yeah, that sounds good. Whereas if you've got this all written down the contract that someone's either said to you by email. Yeah, that's good too happy with that or the signed it then there's very little room for error there. Okay, but surely it would make more sense. If when you're signing a contract to a client the client can actually understand the contract rather than having all these this ton of legal. Jargon in there or a hundred percent and that's final eight lawyers like me and other lawyers that work with online businesses. They really make an effort to make them kind of easy to read and as user-friendly as possible because there's another argument itself like a client. If you ever did have to go to court if there's ever a dispute they would have to go to the judge and then they could even have a very good arguments trying to see why I don't understand what was in that contract. So I think it's really important to make sure there's like a happy medium that the contract covers you in every way that it needs to but that it's also easy for everyone to understand because also if you don't know what you're saying up to a lawyer might have told you it's fine, but you need to understand what's going on in your business as well. Yes, so true love. Well, that's yeah, it just goes to show the importance of actually doing things properly. Yeah, right. So figure Empire. Yeah, Liz you can take some time by know. I love it. And that's the name of that. His business by the way, if you didn't already got that so cool. Okay. So right so you need to obviously have this in place with your clients. How about with your contractors? So with your contractors as I mentioned before an important point of having a contract in place with them is to make sure that they are definitely contractors and they don't look like employees so you don't get fined by any tax Authority. So that's a big part. But another part is as well that you want to make sure that they're not taking your clients. They're not taking your work. A big thing with Fitness coaches that I've seen a lot of is like they start to grow your online business easily bring in people to help them other pts other nutritionist and then they take like their nutrition plans and their training programs and things like that and nobody has anything written down to stop them doing that. And even if that one went to court they could probably argue that they had something to do with creating it in the first place and it all becomes very messy and it all starts from a good place of but I really trust that person that I got on with them really well and they would never do that to me. Unfortunately in business that's just not the way that it goes a lot of not just business but also life like let's just say, you know, sometimes you're married to someone 20 years. Yeah, you have kids together. You have a life together friends. You've maybe even got business together. Then the woman decides to cheat on the man and the man decided to like take her voice. She's worth and just like take her to the ground and these things happen right in love. So of course, I gotta happen in business as well. Imagine this right you have been working for five years to build up your business to a level. Whereby you have contractors you have coaches working for you. Those coaches have relationships with your clients. You have all this content. You've been working on tons of stuff and then suddenly one of those coaches leaves takes all kinds of they've been working with take all the content that they've been working on and tries to basically say that now they they were doing their own thing. They didn't have any requirements before filling anything for you. That's what can happen. If you don't legally back and protect the things that you're doing. Okay, this stuff is so important a hundred percent and this is what I always say to my clients is the money you put into protecting yourself now is we we list then if somebody does exactly what you just said and takes all your clients all your work or your everything you spent five years building up it can go overnight. Yeah, it's just like the cost of not taking this seriously. Yeah, and so it's it far outweighs. That so Bob's I'd love to ask you just one more on this. I've got a couple more things that I can think about when it comes to what I think is important for our listeners here today here on impact schools podcast make day make sure to hit subscribe if you have not done so already but would you be able to quickly just share a couple of other things that you feel are really important people to pay attention to? Yeah. So why not that is my biggest bugbear ever and that is and dealing with the new GED. Our loss of come into place know that is the new decent protection rules that are affecting everyone all around Europe and the UK, but also people in the states as well as basic and everywhere else and everywhere else and but it's basically it impact in a body that holds any personal data of any use of certain so it could be I don't know I company based in New York, but there has a client in London. There's still going to impact them. So it's business relevant for everyone and so many online businesses don't It seemed to be registering with the data regulatory Authority in the country that the operation so the UK that's the Ico the information Commissioner's Office it cost 40 pounds a year and it basically says to them that you're holding personal data and you have to do certain things when you're holding people's personal data know that can be like Bank details. If you're a fitness coach, it could be like measurements before and after photos that kind of thing, but it can hear it can also be things like name and email address. That is pure. So beta if you hold that you will parcel data you need to be registered with the Ico. But you also need to have in place certain things. So you need to have a privacy policy and a cookie policy. If you've got any online presence and by that, I mean website landing page Facebook ads that kind of thing funnel anything like that, but you also need to have like an internal written down process that you actually stick to to do with personal data. So you need to know when you're going to delete personal data after how much time and you need to justify why you need to actually do that. You need to encrypt certain information. You need to password protect certain information you basically if you if you're working on your laptop at home and leave it open in a house where other people are and ghost bathroom. You've reached the dish protection rules while is things like that. The people just don't think about somebody can come to you and see can you give me all the personal data you all done me and you have to give it to you have to have a process in place to be able to do that. So you need processes. You need to be registered. I'll make sure I'll leave the link to the I see you I see. Oh, yeah, first time Bob said it to me I was thinking about like blockchain and I was like going I thought she meant and if you want to bring so funny because I got all different ballgame. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So the other thing that I wanted to touch upon is like, okay. So back in the day I used to sell tons of e-books, right and I got a massive load of scale on that now, I don't believe this is the best methodology to build your online business anymore. Yeah, I now believe in obviously the impact Chopper that I know, you know all well and good about from info schools Academy, but what I'm doing about is like I had all these ebooks all this content courses all that and then what I found out was that my ebooks had been put on some illegal torrent website. Okay. So the ebooks have been put on this torrent website and people would just download them for free and like exchanging them. And so I was really annoyed about that. I emailed a couple them. I had a response back from someone. But what can I do because here's the thing. I had copyrighted these ebooks by putting the copyright symbol and the address at the back of the page. And so yeah, what are you do that? So the thing with all this legal stuff is that it can't stop people doing stuff. It just gives you something to do a course of action if they do it, right? So like if someone's feeling on the road, you know, you'll speak you can still see if you want but if you're going on Caught speeding then you can get fire. Yeah, you can get points on your license. You can go to jail that kind of thing. So that is the recourse that the government has against you if you speed and if somebody takes your work that you've written you if you have copyrighted it then you have better recourse against them. And if you ever had to go to court if you like made a lot of money off of it and you wanted to sue them for that. The thing with copyright is actually it automatically arises as soon as you write something. Page so if I ever ate a little short stories myself right now, that's my copyright. I own that I don't even need to write copyright on it. It's better. If I do I if I write copyright property of births Jameson and you can even register copyright if you want not a lot of people to it, but you can do it all of these things help protect your work a little bit more so that in the event you did have to go to court. It's again easier to prove right? So sort of like different levels of protection right here. Okay in Arresting so where do you kind of draw the line? So with copyrighted work? I would like to just make sure that in all of your terms and conditions on like your website and things like that that it says everything on this website or everything in this funnel or whatever is my copyright and you can't be produced that you can't copy it you can't send it to anybody else unless you give me credit for it. Mmm interesting Okay, cool. So I feel like I just wish people would take these things more seriously a hundred percent because what I always say to my clients You can take three years to build something that can be destroyed overnight. And that really is what it means. Like there's you should see them. I've like cases out there legal cases or finds things like that. I mean the ICU the protection authority in the UK, they can find you up to hundreds of millions of Euros, or I'd like a certain percentage of your annual turnover and these are big big numbers and the more kind of renowned and Prevalent, you becoming your industry the more well-known you are the more successful you are the more likely you are to attract attention and it is the stuff is just so so important and you can put all this time and money and effort into and it could all be gone because someone finds you that someone steals your stuff a client doesn't pee have one massive P inclined and they just stop peeing and you crumble all of these things can happen. There's a list of about this lens. So why are you so passionate about now building your business based upon this Because I feel like this is an area that is so untouched for so many people people just don't understand it. People are going out there and being really entrepreneurial and creative and everything. I working from home and build these amazing businesses and this is unreal, but they could lose it all and I feel like if people put the protection and the security and police early on when let's face it. We probably got a little bit more time and they have the actual opportunity to set us up properly. They don't need to worry about it. Later. During the line. That's what I really really want to promote. We don't want small business owners and entrepreneurs with other night thinking. Oh my God, like what if this like, you know things have gone a little bit wrong that relationship starts school, but sir, what if we steal things from me? What if this happened what you don't play me? Like we want to make sure that everybody is in a really solid position with this stuff. Yeah. I mean it's like, you know clients like being slanderous and social media. Yeah, maybe if you do one thing wrong, yeah. You know, that's something that you need protection against a hundred percent message gets out people just think all it's never gonna happen to me that happened to me. This is why I love what I do so much because I get to help people let you build businesses that kind of help other people hundred percent and it's so cool. And so I'm super grateful for that. So maybe just on that topic just because you've had a taste of impact schools Academy before everyone else Babs. You just be able to share with our listeners how it's been helping you actually get all of this done and have clarity. On moving your business forward. Yeah, so I run this business at the same time as working Freelancers Allure. So it's like that's more than fill time errors trying to run a business on the side as well. It's a lot and one of the biggest things that impact skills given me is a CD of structure to follow to make sure actually do it and that I get shows that if I do it in a very nice way and because we hold you accountable, that's the thing like I'm a very hard worker I'll get up and do my work but I want the time I'll be doing the most urgent. And I'll be doing the thing where the deadlines coming up and actually the most urgent thing should probably be growing my own business and that's the biggest thing. Absolutely and what should I help me is having the coaches on board as well because they've all got a kind of definitely of expertise and a different slant they be looking at things in my business or a different perspective and but also just having like the systems and the processes in place like that for me. I'm not super up on the tick stuff. It helps me to kind of have a full through of Like where I start in what my funnel looks like at the beginning how I'm going to get clients through that funnel and home going to provide the coaching services at the end. So it's really helped me a lot. And I also think it's interesting hearing you say about how you like that there's different coaches something that I get often times from people who are actually scaling they're like mu but people because I work with some higher-level people as well people who have like been in business for a while and now they're trying to scale past sort of like 10 or 15 grand a month trying to get to like 25 30 40 Grand a month, you know and Beyond these people there at the stage now where they need to bring on other coaches and Consultants into their company so that they don't have to do all the client delivery. And so they say to me. Yeah, but lot like one of my clients Emily's perfect example, she'll say to me. Yeah Butler and they come they come to this program for me. They want me and so what do you say on that? Because I know that for example, you've done some cause they're like cash. And Mary Louise and so cash is really good on when it comes to mind set marie-louise on productivity. Yeah, so I know for sure that I don't have the patience to optimize your schedule as much as Marie Louise my right so how what's your opinion on that? And how is it made you become something bigger about your business as well? Well, the thing is as well is that you're not going to be able to deliver that level of service as one human to everyone which I as a business owner. I understand and other business owners, I would think. We understand that as well. You'd be surprised. Yeah be surprised but also like everybody has their own specialty exactly your specialty might not be what one of your other quotes our specialty is and that's why you would bring those people on and that's why I guess as your skill in your own business you want to bring you on people who kind of pull you up and said bring up that offering more like and I actually just like having the different personalities involved in my business as well. No, I totally agree like for me I'd say my my zone of Genius is really Helping those people scale from like 10K a month aren't words to you know, hitting like a hundred gay, but that cuz that's what I've done more recently. And that is what I feel like I can really Thrive at and that I understand my can see that sort of bigger picture. Whereas like I can't deal with those like intricate details, which is why I as a business owner. I bring on those contractors you help me do that for our clients. And so it's super interesting because like I think just hearing you say that I think it will help. People understand that maybe when they want to get a coach doesn't necessarily have to be that one coach or when they're building their coaching companies. It's going to be fine for them to hire other groups as well hundred percent and I also think if you bought into that culture you trust that person you have to you're trusting your beer judgment with your business. You have to trust their judgment with how their that they'd be gone like that. That's amazing. Awesome. Well, it's been so cool having you on is there any any last thing that you want to tell people? I know that you obviously have this awesome new program that you've developed with protect your Empire and you know that you're currently like maxed out. So, how can people join your waitlist come they just message you on install something. Yeah. So if you just get me at Babs Jameson or Instagram or a bad Jew Muslim LinkedIn as well and they are but just drop me IDM on either of those. Yeah as Lauren mentioned and my weakness is getting quite long. So get your name on it Hallie. I know absolutely because I know for sure that you're going to be extremely successful. I'm just I'm so excited by everything that you're doing and it's something that everyone needs right? The industry needs it so bad. And so yeah, be sure to just you know, just get on this then Bob's a message. You will not regret it. And yeah, so thank you so much for tuning in today. Remember to share this poker as I'm sober just one person and if you want to jump in to the program that Babs is on right? 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It's not about women need to take a page from them and own their own success. Mr. Enabled the others. Very powerful. Hello, you're listening to the first podcast to go for women in Tech and all those who want to build this margin equity for take 10 minutes really actionable advice at 50 in Tech. We give you the keys to unlock the tech industry and move it. For real today. We welcome Marine Bannon co-founder and partner RJ + VC. Hi, I'm Aaron Bannon. I'm the co-founder of Jane VC. Gene is a new fund to invest in early stage female-led startups in Europe in the United. Us before moving to Europe and starting Jane. I spent my career as an operator in San Francisco. I worked at large tech companies at startups and I was also a Founder at University. I studied engineering and over and over again. I was surrounded by rooms full of men. I got the idea of starting Jane from my experience as a woman in Tech in recognizing the huge untapped potential of female Founders. I want the technology being built to be as diverse as the people on this planet today. I want to give Founders actionable advice about how to cold pitch. Avicii 60% of VCS are white men who went to Stanford or Harvard. If you went to one of these schools chances, are you have a warm connection? If you're one of the other seven billion people in the world, you likely don't have this network, but you still may be building something incredible. This is why we started Jane VC we decided to let anyone cold pitch us because we believe that access to venture capital should depend on what your building not who you know, or where you went to school. I'm personally a huge believer in cold emailing calling. Pitching I've gotten Jobs made friends and acclimated to new countries this way. There's something magical about the way a cold intro can insert you into a new network and broaden the people that you interact with. So today. I'm going to give some actionable advice about how to cold pitch a VC. Tip number one Taylor the email to the person you're trying to reach these are inundated with emails and in personal emails are very obvious. So when you're writing to a VC take the time to research that particular investor and explain why you think they would be interested have they made investments in adjacent Industries. Do they have a past role in a company or competitive set? Is there something unique about the way they think about the world that you think would resonate tip number to nail your one-liner. This is the old elevator pitch. It's still highly relevant. You need to be able to describe your business in a 10 second elevator ride. You should be able to describe who you are. What makes you unique and what you offer in one simple sentence until you can automatically and succinctly explain the heart of what you do this quickly. You'll be wasting your time pitching anyone the important thing to remember with this advice is to be short and to the point since launching Jane less than a year ago. We've received 14 hundred pitches. That's a lot of emails in my inbox. When I get dense paragraphs of text, it's really hard to get through it. And when I get short succinct emails with bullet points explaining why this company matters? That's what catches my eye tip number three list bullet points on your traction. This could be user or Revenue numbers notable customers Advocates Angel Investors with relevant industry expertise. A bulleted list makes these bragging points easy to skim and gives VC's a quick overview of Who You Are And why you matter tip number four, make sure to explain why you in this initial pitch. You should have a brief description of your founding team make this easy to skim again highlight which parts of your background make you the ideal people to run this business tip number five include an Ask be explicit. Why are you contacting this VC? Are you trying to raise a seed round? Are you simply looking for advice be very clear about what you're asking for and tip number six include the right materials. Your letter can be very brief to a VC, but make sure to include more information in case it is something that's interesting to them. This could be a deck or a one-pager about your company. You could attach it as a PDF with compressed photos or a link like Dropbox or Google Drive. Thanks for having me on this episode today. I'm really excited about 50 and text mission of reaching gender equality in the tech industry. It's very aligned with what we're doing at Jane. If you like this podcast subscribe, comment and share and give us a five stars note on the fridge amplifon. She'd be iTunes Google or some cloud and if you want to empower women at scale Sharon advice on 15 techyv.com

Hi I’m Maren Bannon, I'm the co-founder of Jane VC. Jane is a new fund to invest in early stage female lead startups in Europe in the U.S. Before moving to Europe and starting Jane, I spent my career as an operator in San Francisco. I worked at large tech companies, startups, and I was also a founder. At university I studied engineering, and over and over again I was surrounded by rooms full of men. I got the idea of starting Jane from my experience as a woman in tech, and recognizing the huge untapped potential of female founders. I want the technology being built to be as diverse as the people on this planet. Today I want to give founders actionable advice on how to cold pitch a VC. 60% of VCs are white men who went to Stanford or Harvard. If you went to one of these schools, chances are you have a warm connection. If you're one of the other 7 billion people in the world you likely don't have this network, but you still may be building something incredible. This is why we started Jane VC: we decided to let anyone cold pitch us because we believe that access to venture capital should depend on what you're building, not who you know, or, where you went to school. I'm personally a huge believer in cold emailing, calling, pitching. I've gotten jobs, made friends, and acclimated to new countries this way. There's something magical about the way a cold intro inserts you into a new network, and broaden the people that you interact with. So today, I'm going to give some actionable advice about how to cold pitch a VC. Tip #1:  tailor the email to the person you're trying to reach. VCs are inundated with emails and impersonal emails are very obvious, so when you're writing to a VC take the time to research that particular investor and explain why you think they would be interested. Have they made investments in adjacent industries? Do they have a past role at a company your competitive sat? Is there something unique about the way they think about the world that you think would resonate? Tip #2: nail you're one liner. This is the old elevator pitch, it's still highly relevant. You need to be able to describe your business in a ten second elevator ride. You should be able to describe who you are, what makes you unique, and what you offer, in one simple sentence. Until you can automatically and succinctly explain the heart of what you do this quickly you'll be wasting your time pitching anyone. (...) Tip #3: list bullet points on your traction. This could be users or revenue numbers, notable customers, advocates, angel investors with relevant industry expertise. A bulleted list makes these bragging points easy to skim and gives VCs a quick overview of who you are and why you matter. Tip #4: make sure to explain why YOU. In this initial pitch you should have a brief description of your founding team. Make this easy to skim, again, highlight which parts of your background make you the ideal people to run this business. Tip #5: include and ask. Be explicit, why are you contacting this VC? Are you trying to raise a seed round? Are you simply looking for advice? Be very clear about what you're asking for. Tip #6: include the right materials. Your letter can be very brief to a VC, but make sure to include more information in case it is something that's interesting to them. This could be a deck or a one pager about your company. You could attach it as a PDF with compressed photos, or a link like Dropbox or Google Drive. Thanks for having me on this episode today, I'm really excited about 50inTech’s mission of reaching gender equality in the tech industry. It's very aligned with what we're doing at Jane.

Hey afterbuzzers, before we move on to your next topic. We just want to say thanks to our sponsor. Anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. Plus there are creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Also anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it could be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many more plus you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership, and it's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor. Um to get started presented by AfterBuzz TV and hosted by Hall of Fame Superstar Sean xpac Waltman. This is X Hulk One Two Three Sixty and now your host WWE Hall of Fame Superstar Sean x hawk Waltman. Welcome everybody to ex parte 1 2 3 16 see what I did there and it changed up the words. I put everybody before. Anyways, there we go. Y'all know I did the Romanians played out. Yeah, so yeah, how was your weekend? Everybody was fun. It was long which was really nice to go to Chicago. I did not yeah. All right. No. No, I didn't know I think I couldn't afford it this time tonight at the Las Vegas show that was enough for me for you know, and you know, it's something that I'm starting to think about is okay, the more frequent all these big super weekends like the more thing. Hey, I'm I'm kind of tapped out financially. Right exactly. Come on me but I'm talking about people right? So it is it's hard because they've been so continuously, you know with breast. I did WrestleMania weekend. I did, you know double or nothing in Las Vegas and granted like I'm not a big spender but you know hotel and getting their flights you name it it starts to add up and especially if you go all crazy to WrestleMania weekend and you go to everything and then after its here like oh oh snap. So yeah, but I watched from home though. I did. Yeah and I don't want to get all that because that's not what the shows about but, you know just to acknowledge. It was a big weekend. Yeah big one for sure and I thought you know, I didn't see all of aw. Hmm But I did I did see moment, you know some of the bigger moments and I did watch just about all the annex Tuk Cardiff show. I was great. Yeah, and I didn't see New Japan anyone I missed it this week. No, I heard that. I'll be show ya ever heard Dave Meltzer say that I think it was like I'll turn somebody. Yeah, it's a good time to have all these weekend's just filled with all of these shows embarrassment of riches. Yeah. Well that being said this show is going to be about looking backwards and the past. I figured I would change things up a little bit around here and steal from actually I Steel, I'm sure Conrad doesn't mind at all appropriating his his poll-driven wrestling content. Yeah, I think that episode. Yeah, so we put out a little pole and you know, just talking about different subjects and Denise. Why don't you just go ahead I have a hard time really quick. So we did the poll, right and we just put like four different options like hey, what do you want Sean to talk about? On tomorrow's show and people got really excited about it. We got like like that like over a thousand something votes that people say we're in yeah, like over like 1500 I think so it was pretty cool first. I saw like, you know like 24 votes and I'm My Own cheese only had it up for six hours. Okay, because you know, it's like okay this needs to be a reasonable time enough to prepare etcetera so a but a lot of people were writing stuff down in the comments even things that I was like, okay, I will glued this for the next poll which was pretty cool to kind of see what people you know wanted to know about or you know, that sort of thing which was really awesome. But we basically the winner was history with Razor Ramon and somebody actually tweeted us something really funny. So on Twitter, you only get a certain amount of characters to post like so I couldn't really say like in-depth like what each topic was I had to cut it down so somebody actually thought that history with Razor Ramon meant that some that Razor Ramon was gonna teach history. Did you see that? Somebody tweeted me that and I was like, oh man, that's hilarious, dude. They really thought that I don't know but it made me laugh. I didn't expect to see it in the comment section. But either way that's what we're going to talk about today. And I just think it's really cool. Especially after you dive down and you just sort of like really look at things now and what's just kick it off. Yeah. And so there are some things I've talked about quite a bit in the past, but you know and some of those things I might not try to Deep dive too much on sure but you know, we still should revisit. Is it that yeah, we'll try to find some new angles New Perspectives, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, so well, yeah and I think you just say this is you know, my relate. Oh like real quick. Let me back metal. You're sure second. I have to acknowledge. The passing of one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time just an icon and a huge part of a lot of our you know, a lot of us are huge bodybuilding fans of the Glory Days of body building sector, you know, the Arnold are you know, so Arnold's best friend and training partner and also for mr. Olympia Franco Columbu passed away. Yeah, there was an accident he was a He's from Sardinia Italy and he was he was back home and there was like a diving accident. He Dove down and never came back up. He was saw I knew he was close to 80, you know is almost 80 years old and just one of pound for pound one of the strongest man in the world period of his day, right, you know, you could blow water but you know, like ever see the like the old gimmick where you blow hot water bottles up things like that and just all the old strongman stuff he could do. And he was under you know, he's like five foot six and five seven and you know, well, you know under 200 pounds and there was excuse me. The very first World's Strongest Man contest on NBC Wild World of Sports. You're familiar with it. Yeah, you know, so Ken Patera was ended Ivan Putski Franco Columbu. I think Lou Lou Ferrigno. Jeez who I am. Yes, quite a bit Yeah, but if any was Franco he got hurt pretty bad. He was carrying out frigerator on this on his values and you know, the rest of the guys are like a foot taller than him and a hundred and fifty pounds heavier, right? All right, so he kind of got hurt doing that but kind of anyways, I just end the friendship between Arnold and Franco and the love they have for each other. There is nothing that really makes me want to do this today Scott because I feel that same kind of kinship with him and the rest of my friends, you know, Kevin Nash got almost got all obviously. Yeah, Paul Levesque Shawn Michaels. Hmm. Yeah, so Yeah, that'll be good. Yeah, I know it's two peaks Franco like uh, go watch part. If you've never watched Pumping Iron by I can't recommend it right? It's just it was so great. But yeah, I just wanted to say that because of you know, just their friendship and then what you know how it made me think of my friendships. So absolutely. Yeah take it away Denise. All right. Well, let's kick it off with May 16 1993 the kids. Is Razor Ramon you beat him after a moonsault which was super fast. The crowd was absolutely shocked. I want to know going into this match first. What were your thoughts going into this? Well, there's more to it than just my thoughts going into I mean we got to talk about like what light up to it. Ya know things like that had how do you guys work together before that before that night? No unions got no. No, we barely knew each other. I mean II knew him more than he knew what the hell was that anyways. I just knew him from when I would see him around because I was always at the whenever WWE Hell shows were in Minneapolis. I was always backstage and you know hanging out just trying to put yourself in the right place at the right time. Just seen make sure you know, everyone see me with my Ribera jacket on so they knew I was one of the boys, right? Yeah that would see him there and you know Curt Hennig and I call the local Minneapolis. Guys were good to me like Hawk and you know and you know and that and so yeah, and it's got it seen me on global hmm, you know, and he made sure you let me know that you know some of that stuff sure like one of the things that stood out him was we had a 20 count in global. Okay, and so like when they were, you know in the referees count me like, you know, not three or four but like I got 15 more counts of you know, like what's the big hurry? It's a just like lay on the ground. Like I was smoking a cigarette or right, you know just ridiculous. Yeah kind of making fun of it. Right? Sure anyways, so he just like things like that and yeah, even though I didn't really know what I was doing like you could still look at somebody earlier in their career and even though they make shit loads of mistakes. You can still see the Brilliance in some people early on you know, yeah and and so like in so Scott saw that me, you know, yeah which in Scotts he's that like If there is that in someone's gots one that can find it in someone did you know that at the time that he saw that in you or did you find out afterwards? There's you know, I can't remember exactly, you know, I think anyway so fast forward. Yes. What were some of your first impressions of out of Scott when you guys were putting anything? Okay, so just also You know, I had my tryout and why I had two days of tryouts and like a lot of people know the story already. So I won't go too deep into it. I had two matches what Louis Spicoli and you can find one of them on the hidden gems. Okay. I'm the network and I remembered the match being a way better than it really was when I watched it back but still I recommend people go watch it and see what you know, well got me hired, right? You know, this is pretty rough around the edges looking back. But you know I got I got I got you know, people saw what I could you know, Vince all what I could do people anyways, whatever so I was waiting for a call because I already had all these other things going on. Like I was promoting my own show this NWA show with Hawk and Terry Funk and the main event and I you know, I worked with Sabu was my first mattress Abu kind of put us on the map with a lot of people Jerry Lynn wrestled candido Tad's wrestled Brad dragons mosses Saito and Nails Russell anyways, no Moss is say whatever Nails in the hater against masahito and Charlie North I'm giving off into the Weeds about you what I'm trying to get get out as I had a lot going on. Hmm, and I also had a new Japan tour for Super Junior tournament. So and So I kind of had options right and you know, but I never thought I would get hired by WWE and every thought they would even consider me. So, you know, I had to try out and I home waiting not seem like forever till they call and then one day, you know, one day I pick up the phone and it's events and he runs this whole Razor Ramon story, but you know by me and you know Pat Patterson is on the line with him and you know their land holding out exactly how it happened. And you know and I even mentioned. Well, I got this pant or and they're like, okay then, you know. Then we'll have Scott doing the promos and soon the probably, you know challenging me to rematch and you know, putting the money up and then eventually it's too much money for me to pass up share whatever but I had these old promos I cut. Oh, I'm jumping too far ahead. So we're okay. So we get there, right? Yeah. Anyways bent ask me what I think of it. Obviously, I'm like Blown Away by the whole thing, right because everyone else, you know when they come into You have either just get three weeks of vignettes and some squash matches. Yeah get over. So, you know, it was so much greater the way I was brought up right? It's enough of a surprise just that you're getting the call much less that you know, they're putting you over one of the the top guys right off the bat. Yeah, and this was by Design. This wasn't just to introduce me. It was actually mainly to turn Scott to turn the razor munkar to baby face. That was that you're going to be one of my questions later on. I didn't know if they had already planned that since then it was all about there was just kind of like all fell into place. All right. Well, there you go. That's what this was all about. Whereas so just in case I ended up, you know, flopping or shitting the bed or whatever like they could still use this for the storyline with with DiBiase, right? So, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So anyways - Diane and I'm there and you know, actually I had a couple of weeks they you know, Vince had told me, you know, we're going to bring you in and you know, you were going to squash you the first couple of weeks. So I had I can't remember which order I had Curtis Hughs squash me one week. Okay and doing that Warren and you can tell like so they didn't know what was planned for me. So they treated me like a job guy. I'm sorry. I was like, you know right doink was your debut shot him looking. Yeah. Yeah, May 3 was when you debuted in yeah, you lost something like that day. So yeah, so do you think that that might have made us see more authentic to people of course it is. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, so Vince didn't realize people being elements is in the little bubble that he's and he's busy as hell like it's not like he's watching everything or got his pulse on the finger of all the independent wrestling fans or whatever, but he seemed rather. Prized when I came out for that first match and the people started chanting my name. Hmm But yeah, so yeah, we had those couple weeks it squashes and so I get there this week and you know, I'm waiting and then Here Comes Scott and he's just really had a good looking and you know, so is everyone else And I was like comes up to me again the ideas or like and I was like, I had a million great ideas. What I wanted re so scotches. I calm down, you know, we just they just got off a you know, a red-eye from from out here on the on the west coast and you know, everyone was really tired. They've been on the road on the road. So yeah, I'm much more enthusiastic about everything Scott as Scott goes up to Pat and goes hey, what should we do? Here it goes. Pat just said think of one thing just move miss something thicker one day. He beat you beat the shit on the rest of the match. Ah, then that's what happened. And that was the right way to do it. Yeah, exactly because that was what made the the actual Victory more shocking in, you know, yeah. So that was how that went. What were your emotions like prior during the match and even afterwards because even afterwards the way you celebrate it like it just went perfectly in line with With everything, you know, yeah. Yeah, you know, I wish I would have taken more time, but I was it was told, you know, I was nervous are not you know, that's still a lot to I still do today have a lot to learn but at the time we would have did I ever so I think I rushed that celebration too much and ran out of the building. Oh my God could have milked out a little bit more like an you know. Me today, but I'm like milk that shit out of that. Trust me right now. But you know, I mean it was the authentic I was and yeah, I was I was I was I was through the moon. Mmm it was and I knew at the time I was a biggest moment, you know at that point without a doubt sure and my entire career and it was even to this day. That was the biggest moment of my career. That was the most important moment of my entire career whether that match did you expect that crowd reaction afterwards? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I expected everything we expect everything to you know shortly out just like you did because it's like you said that it was all kind of engineered such culminated at that moment. Yeah, that was like none of that happened on accident that was all planned. And then I was watching your promo the one where you said like, okay, so, you know razor moans offering this money. I think firstly start was like 7500 eventually goes up to 10,000 but there's the promo that you did where you're saying like I was at home watching Raw with my grandma and my grandpa and You started saying like Minnesota accent trick Minnesota had come what's that your first national TV promo? Yes. That was the first very first one. Oh, man. Were you nervous? Yeah, of course. All right. Well, you know, I mean I've talked about this recently I got was a scared of talking in public, you know, and that means you know, like, you know, I've gotten obviously better at I'm doing this right now sure, you know, I kind of make a living talking public, huh? Yeah, the thing is when you're 20, 19 20 years old and you're just your new not just in wrestling. But in life you don't have that really don't really have that much to talk about right farts shit. You've done mmm, you know, so yeah that was in that was that was all they want. I was really not happy with the promos because I wanted them to be slick smooth. Of course, you know, I wanted to you know, come on Alvin. Elmo but that was exactly what was needed. Yeah, before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Yeah, cuz they had position that character to be so relatable. Yeah, you know that nervous little kid, you know you yeah, and I was and I was overwhelmed by everything and you could tell I was just so incredibly like excited about everything. Hmm, they prep you before Or was it just kind of like do your thing go out there or did they give you like pointers? Like what you were supposed to cross yet? So at after the after the big win the next day and I was just talking about Sergeant Slaughter about this because yeah Sarge was a big part of all this because he was the one that actually called me for my tryout and hey you known. But so Sarge took me to the studios and Stamford the next day and we cut all I cut all those promos Sarge produced all of them. Okay, he's an awesome job because I mean they were like you said they were exactly what was needed at the time and you know, he directed me perfectly and I saw ya laughter those were done. It was like Hey, so where are you staying? I'm like when you mean where am I saying? I don't know so he brought me home. He brought me to his house. I stayed as house. We had a great time cooked out, you know. Yeah, I love Sarge so that's awesome. Yeah, that was great. That's crazy. Because like, I'm sure when you're like new you never know who's going to take you in that sort of thing in your kind of maybe hoping someone does and then he did. Yeah, and so the guys like that even more so than the guys that go younger than Sarge like Scott's age and and that really liked me because I was I knew my history. I know I mean all of us living history and I could talk to them and talk to them about the things that they did and talk to them about, you know, even the people that were Heroes to them, you know and just history of wrestling and so That's served me. Well now when it comes to come to having relationships with the older generation a guys. Yeah, just having that Foundation of knowledge to kind of yeah, absolutely. All right, and then you had your rematch on June 20th 1983, which was just a couple weeks after the first match. So with this one here, one of the things I'm pretty sure was six weeks six weeks. There you go. I mean no you told me so while May 16 to June 20th, we have a couple weeks in between there. Okay, I'm bad at math. All right, but because I Was when I went to Japan for the night. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that was when I was in Japan because that was we were still like figuring out names, you know Kamikaze kid Campbell carry with a kid this kid that kid right hard luck kid. So I'm in Japan and I get on the bus and I forget who it was is reading Japanese magazine and goes. Oh you 1-2-3 Kid like what? Yeah, you name one two. Yeah, I said bullshit fucking name sucks. Oh, I hated it. You guys know that I hate the name. Oh, yeah. So yeah, I like that bothered me instead of grow on you after a while never up never getting drawn told me until many years after I was done with it. So go so what you're like like out and about like, you know, or even despite me being people are like so you trying to pick up women man, and not that I should have been picking up women as a married man or anything, but just saying sure. You know some we go so what's your us our name? And that's when you know, fuck you want a kid stroke is there is well when you went into this match already there were so many one two, three kids signs. You are already over with the crowd, you know, so that must have been fun going. I don't even have music when I came out and then popping apartment came out as forgot to mention earlier. You're lucky raw t-shirt, too. Ooh that you talked about in your promo. Yeah, no such thing. So essentially when you came out to this match when you came out for your rematch already the crowd thought it's you know, is he gonna get one over like really fast and you did, you know, you went out there and you did these moves that you know, everybody right away and people like, you know, right we had them who laid out this match we had Scott night. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, obviously mainly Scott but I had to say so like I knew it, you know, I had a clue sure. I had a clue already. I just did you know I needed you know, I need someone with a real knowledge to kind of put things into place properly and when you do things when you're when you're talking about because I know you mentioned in the first match. I had all these ideas all the stuff you wanted to do. Was there anything that you particularly wanted to like? Okay, like if I get anything and I want to get this in no, no just my normal shit. Sure, and I did hmm. And yeah, but that was a rough one that match, you know, so not a couple months ago. I actually flew to you know, that's right flew to New York and did a short documentary about just that match Yeah, you mentioned this. You mentioned a story about when you slipped in during this match. Well, that was this that was that was only the second time my got knocked out in this match. Oh shit. Yeah. The first time was on the chokeslam. So yeah. Well I didn't Is that like right off the bat? We do it like your for the bag go for the pretty sure it was good for the hip toss. I block go for the I do the backflip. And when I Landing because will me in it was like a anyways right on my head. Yes Miss timing and that's one of the things I didn't realize until I had starred Ring The Ring was so hard. If you go back and look at that bump in the ring. You see the actual ring doesn't move at all. Well. Yeah, and that's one of those things that I didn't start realizing until fairly recently going back and watching those matches is like when he hits that chokeslam, it is high and tight like yeah, that's a roughly because I'm just guessing that I was thinking like high extended chokeslam and Scott has a different version of it. Sure, right. So we were what we were on when we weren't on the same page, right his is obviously different from like the tiger chokeslam or anything. Yeah. So yeah. I got a frog in my throat tonight this morning one of the one of the things that I also like during this match is how commentary really put over the fact like kid. This isn't worth it. The $10,000 isn't worth it and like you watch and you Back at you just think like oh man, like it really puts you in that position where it's like this kid here, you know, all you had to do essentially was come out for this match. So then like with the whole part with you running now afterwards with the $10,000 tell us about the ideas for that. Okay. So the plan was you know, the part where I go to the top rope. Okay. So what happens is, you know, I spilled to the floor Scott comes out. He takes the padding on the floor and he pulls the padding back and he's going to Give me the razor's Edge on the concrete and I backdrop amount of the razor's Edge. And so this is the part that okay, so Scott's like I was my fault and I'm not really it's just I'm the one that did the slipping and that but Scott had this idea in his head that okay kid just got back from Japan and you know, he, you know, because everyone rushes everything when they're my right and I'm taking my time selling and I'm going to get up there and then Scott's getting up. The way quicker than I thought he was because he wants to be there for me. Right and and so and I'm trying to hurry up because I don't want him to stand there. Like it's one of my pet peeves is happened standing there looking at happen this weekend. But yeah, so I slept the night, you know ain't shit like it fucked me up bad. I mean, I can't tell you like because I didn't go to the hospital even though I should have I can't tell you exactly what the injuries. But there was a major head trauma really bad and I couldn't walk for all the way up until I got on the plane to go to my first set of how shows and somehow like once I got out to the ring, you know, you kind of manage the adrenaline but like my you know, there was Major deep bruising and my thighs and like and just everything was messed up. And so yeah, I'm sure what was supposed to happen is so I do a you know, like a rolling whatever it's not a typical hero because it was up the topper. Right? Right, right. It's some sort of you know, hit him boom down he goes and that's when I'm supposed to grab the money and haul ass out the door. So but when I slip and fall, it's like y'all shit now. What right right? Yeah. So when I when I did that and Scott's ago now what and Scott looked over because at the time the ringing, uh, you know, the the announcers the table is Right pushed up to the ring and so Scott looked over for some kind of direction from thence, right and Vince just put his head down like this like you basically you're on your own and we're live and This needs to get done like before we go out there right like so. Scott just you know Rose me back in and like, you know, if I beat him like he's fucked that's his DOT. So he's like scows gonna let me beat him again, you know, and so he was just trying to think of something like Schoolboy like fucking, you know, small pack exactly. Yeah, and I want moonsault somehow I Spit on a moonsault and he goes just like before and I and it was the best moonsault I ever did. Oh, wow. Yeah, cuz I was our but I suck at Moon songs. So I've talked about that before so I won't, you know keep diving in my sucking at moonsault. Yeah, so I when I hit him with it, he was gonna let me pin him again. And as as Earl Hamner is down for the count. He's going kick out one two, and then that's how it's got kicked out and then say what the fuck Barrel right and they are both gone get the money you do money. D so I got the money and like fucking and there's 10,000 in there too. By the way, it's not a lie League Optics put that out, but they did right and so I'm carrying the money back and you know, and I'm just so I'm still fucking well out of it just out on my feet and I go to going to the curb. I don't know what I don't know if I heard some people I warning me or whatever and Scout is about ready to take my head off. He had he would have had to yeah and somehow I fucking put overdrive just as he takes a swipe and out I go and he misses me and you know it everything turned out and that was If we didn't figure that out, I very well, I mean, who knows what would happen to my career? Yeah, for sure. Whatever right like so everything after that dive off the top was all just completely. Yeah me. Yeah and it was like there was a lot at stake. It was a lot at stake here and we got it done. Yeah, but I think in the end it's sort of worked out because it's like oh like to eat sneaky. He just left with the money and the raisin never got his widow. Yeah the way that you're describing that finish. I was like fuck you couldn't you know plan? Better so real quick. I got ya shit, please. I can't show it because we'll get flagged when I'm watching this back right now when you sneak off and grab that money, you're obviously kind of woozy from the match. So that wasn't acting that was because because this chokeslam and this it's brutal man. I can't believe you bounce back for you soon. As you guys who are listening. You should definitely go back and watch this I can't show but it's amazing footage and the even crazier thing about this is that was my first of two matches that night. Okay sent me back out for another fucking match because it was so important. I had that fucking enhancement match, but Reno fucking records. Oh, man. Yeah, and I got Tony Korea and I love Tony but that was their job at the time to get you to go out and do shoes. It's your fucking call. Yeah, if you fucking tell a wrestler that's fucking like head is half cut off. It's your call. They're going to go out and fucking do it. Mmm, you know, right that was insane looking back on it. How did that go? The second match managed. Hmm. I'm a judge like if you know the situation you could tell By looking you're kind of out of it. Oh, yeah, Rick just ridiculous that I liked was sent out for that fucking match how much time went in between that he didn't even have like a moment to like relax or something like an hour or something. I don't know maybe less right now. I'm very much. Oh my god. Oh, man. Okay. So then one of the things I also wanted to ask you is that Razor Ramon one of the things he kept calling you all the time with Stickman sick man. Was there any story behind them are just not what he thought visually it's just like Like that was Scott, you know, he would take something and I he would stick with it stick with it. Right a lot of if you look at those promos. He's still like it's still very much supposed to be the Tony Montana kind of character that point like he's still yeah like and he never changed even when he was a baby basis interview style never changed. Right? Right, right because I noticed yet in that first one were originally it's 2,500. He's throwing a lot more Spanish in there. Yeah, then, you know later on it would kind of Kind of evolved. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So after this, you know, you started getting built up and you started defeating other people that sort of came into your position as more like, you know, like the job or positions and he started getting more established and then Flash Forward to August of 93. You defeated Ted DiBiase and I thought this was cool because Ted DiBiase was sort of mocking Razor Ramon kind of like you couldn't win this kid and then all of a sudden you get them and you get the pin and it worked out pretty cool. Tell us a little bit about that whole match and how all that worked out and was that at the idea, you know the whole time. Yeah go that was that was part of the master plan and like so the teddy was on his way out. He was finishing up and he was going to be finishing up at SummerSlam and it was so yeah, it was excuse me. I had a match with Ted and you know, so we did this finish that I'm pretty sure Ted actually went up to Terry Taylor and asked him like hey, what should I do with him? You knows get him all over and and so we did the finish. I was doing what Terry on the road where you know, I would get you know, I would do my stuff, you know, then booms pull the rug out from underneath me and there I am I'm down. I think Teddy got me in The Million Dollar Dream, and I was and then he laid over nonchalantly with his back right one two and a crucifix Tim one, two, three roll quite and work great. It was perfect. Perfect finish for that. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Taylor's finish from here on then you would say that you became more of an established character even like after this was you know, you were seeing constantly and then you began teaming with Razor Ramon on and off and then I want to kind of fast forward to when you kind of started showing these like he'll tactics. So let's go Forward over to 95 where you guys want gummy just out real quick. I want to talk about Survivor Series. Hmm because I was still is a big deal for me like that. The team was Scott that was when they you know, I think that was a I started thinking about Marty Marty jannetty and I ran team but the main thing was like I was Tina was Scott and you know on our Survivor Series team we had Macho Man Randy. He's a Savage. So yeah, I just had to throw that in. That's awesome. Yeah, absolutely. It was supposed to be Curt Hennig as supposed to be Kurt having lunch and then that Vince likes to do if you're going to replace somebody make sure they're of equal or greater value. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it was so cool. So what was it was it was you guys Macho Man? Was there anyone was there another person on the team me it was me Scott March and and Marty. Okay there. Yeah. Yeah, and and so Marty and I want it but anyways, so yeah, and that kind of is that what transitioned into you guys being a team? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but okay, so I just really felt the need to fit that in there because it was a big moment sure that Scott and I were part of so, okay. So the what I was talking about was when you guys finally got your title shot against the smoking guns and in your house for 1995 the great white North and this one was interesting too because the Finish, you know, you guys had a chance. Had razor taken that pin you would have got us would have won the titles but that you wanted your moment so he gave it to you but you know because our teams gives it to you doesn't go. Well you lose and then you start throwing a fit and you're you know, you attacked them afterwards. So, uh, yeah and we had already started seeing some Hill tactics of you like even in that match where you pull down the Rope so that he can fall backwards and that sort of thing. So what was that transition like for you? That was what I was I was a always been a heel pretty much. Mmm for most of my you know, career. Really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty good. He'll actually before I got to you know, WWE anyways the thing I remember about that is Scott and I we were just we were just on the same page Ike we didn't even talk to each other about this but we showed up even at the airport both wearing like the same like we both had our Stu Hart 80th anniversary or 80th birthday jackets on like that's all different story those jackets, but and we got there and when we go Would to get our gear on our gear was matching and we didn't even coordinator, you know scored no. No. Yeah, and it was just we were such a good team and we had some cool moves, you know, like he did the sack of shit and then he would catch me in the sack of shit and throw it on them for the right for the for a near fall. I've never heard anyone call the following his life and that was that's whatever that's getting scarcer and for the but he even so we boat and we didn't call this either. It was just just naturally just did this we both stuck her hand out to shake their hands and when they put their hands out, we whoo, you know, both of us at the same time. They were they were all you fuckers. So at this point where you guys like close, you know in real life. Yeah that point already. Yeah, but it's funny because like, let's just say like not knowing anything about you guys and just seeing you guys like you would never think that you guys You know had anything in common, but it played so nicely though with you guys being a team, but had you had you guys just paired you guys up like separately or something like it you would have never thought it though, you know. Yeah, so it kind of worked out like pretty well, I think okay. So this isn't that that I think that's is that the same night that Scott did double duty and they did the icy match with Shane Douglas. Oh man, not sure I like so is that the one I don't know it's yeah, but I don't think that's necessarily pertinent to the right to the episode today. Alright, and now let's talk about your full-on. He'll turn when you were the special guest referee against up for Razor Ramon versus psycho kid and besides sentences that once with psycho said so tell me a little bit about this and you know, you finally joined it was a full circle essentially, you know, if you Think about it in terms of well, obviously you said this was part of the master plan where you know, you essentially turn he'll Razor Ramon to promote. I'm pretty sure I had some other little matches in there with Scott before I turn heel or like right? Yeah, cuz you costume you cost him the Intercontinental title. You hit him with a stroller you attacking him. That's where I turn before. I actually technically turn I had some mad like one match with him at least. Well, I remember there was that night on a fucking ran me through and Beat me like there was a night on Raw where he put me in my place. Just kept beating you and you can yeah exactly ending start over. Yeah, but it looked like yeah after that it looked like you guys kind of like made up and that's headed sort of like put it behind you and then like kept going and then so then we get to these being the special referee with Sid and Scott. It was Ted DiBiase at ringside and I screwed Scott. And I thought it was just a quick count. Right? Right, and that was the part where so Ted, you know is gimmick is he sticks a hundred dollar bills in their mouths, but we're in Canada. And so all he has was like a Canadian five or Canadian to or some shit like that and when he did it on my own. Oh, like I didn't want anyone to see like steady biasi million dollar man with shouldn't even have a two dollar bill in this right? I shouldn't even know what one of those is I was snatched it out. I was mouth real quick, you know, and it just looked like I was being greedy right like a little shit Thief. So yeah, that's what I fucking love that. Yeah. Yes, and we were at the tag titles really and something happened. Hmm said, you know said he departed and but I really like if he's listening I really loved him. Annoy. You said that's just really loved it. Yeah. Okay. So one of the things I also want to point out since we're just kind of briefly touched base on this but I really like the promos between Razor Ramon and Ted DiBiase where he was trying to get them to hire him as this like servant or Butler something like that. I thought that was pretty hilarious where he was kind of like just like know I really liked that play on that. Okay. So, where are we at? Okay, so you you essentially in this match you feel you spent your the special guest referee tell us a little bit about how this all played out. I just did. These are all right. Let's move on then. Whoo-hoo. Who was it that first kind of approach to you about about turning about like how to remember who was there anything did they were did they just think that you would just kind of like when your course has a face? They're trying something new? Yeah. I think that was I think they're right. Sure. Yeah. Hmm. Let me up. There was especially if there was if I wasn't going to go any further as a baby face around there at the time. Yeah, so so given Given your history with with Benny Hill you were obviously on board when they when they had approached you about it. Yeah, because it was a you know, just waiting to be able to work with Scott and we really want to work with each other because we had great chemistry and people like they liked it. They like the whole storyline is yeah, you know, they weren't sick of it wasn't like it played its course or right and I was out of gas by any means. Yeah because by this point it had been Never Say Never And I guess now she they tried to move on to different things and Really upset Scott actually, you know we can get to that. Yeah. Alright. Alright. So what do you mean by like to see you know that except that it you know, it it upset him and all of that tell us a little bit about that. I just wanted to you know have a conclusion to that, you know have a have that storyline with him and I play out and have a conclusion the blow off and you know, they weren't really they had different ideas as mm. All right, so then we have this crime. Baby match where you know the loser basically gets a given potential diaper too far. All right. Well, let's go back a little bit Yeah, you cost him the Intercontinental title. I can't like in his match with Gold Dust when I came out the top rope and hit him. It's got with the spin kick. Hmm. So there's and that was that was what I meant by, you know, Vince had, you know, big storyline with gold dust and mind and a big plans big plans and and I just don't want to do it and I don't you know part of it was it was so at the time, you know, so controversial Grand, you know, and it was really uncomfortable for Scott. He talks about it. I think you know, what's right or wrong or however you look at things like at that time and you know from you know, Scott's life experiences. I was really uncomfortable for him and so he didn't want to do it and He wanted to do he went to work with his friend. Right and I mean Yeah, how does that make you feel like knowing that he was like I want to continue this purple good. I felt great. But you know, I also saw that that was a that would have been a big thing too. You know them in Gold Dust right? Right, just but you can't really you know, someone's not something like yeah. Well someone's really dead-set against doing something. That's really not a good idea to try to get them to do it. Yeah exactly, you know. Although like sometimes I think so. The uncomfortableness they coming through like actually kind of does help the storyline definitely happy avocados character of the time. Yeah, because I remember yeah the storyline and with Ahmed Johnson and yeah, you definitely got that for sure yet. So yeah that whole crybaby match like that was Scott's on the way out. Mmm. How do you already given his notice at this point that he was going to leave? Yes. Okay. Yeah and We even had so we had that that crybaby match and you know that was punishment for me, but it was also and it wasn't good for me character-wise. I was not good at all, but I'm not going to lie and say it wasn't good TV sure. It just wasn't good for me. But I did the best I could with it. Yeah, it was mainly because I and anyone can anyone can do. Deny this or say. Oh, that's not why but they would be they wouldn't be being honest. And and and that I was I was in the doghouse because I started this ball rolling with the whole jump to WCW thing I say what's up? I've already talked about that. I'm not gonna D him. I'm gonna dive into that right Cheryl but so, you know, so the second you heard that this match was happening. You knew you were going to be the one come on in a diaper. Okay? Yeah. Well, actually, I know I didn't. Oh that's annoying, dude. I thought okay, they're mad. It's got like, you know like you when someone leaves they do the job on the way out exactly when I get there. Well, no, duh. So even though Scott's leaving on bad terms, they're still fucking beaten me and putting a bottle of my mouth and fucking die proud of you, right? Yeah. How do you you know, because obviously you don't want that to happen to you. Obviously you have different ideas for what you want to do with your character. How do you use essentially swallow that pill and realize? Okay, I have to do something. That I'm not too big of a fan of that I have to do do it. What was I gonna do? Hmm, you know, I was I wasn't in a good State of Mind at the time this overall like, you know, my friends were leaving and I wasn't and because I had wanted to leave but my contract rolled over I see you know, so I was stuck there. Yeah, so there was a lot of things that we're making me depressed and you know, I'm happy and you know, a lot of them were, you know my own doings, but you know, you don't see things. With the time but ya know until I got there and Jim cornette came up to me and told me how great this was for me and I'm like Jim like I'm going to do it, right but don't fucking insult my intelligence, but tell me how great this is. You know, like I said though, I will say it was entertaining and all that just I was damaged goods after I say after that, you know, I like the all the post-match tough, you know, you have the powder in your face you can't see See, you don't realize you have this diaper on and you're kind of just like what and at the end. You're like wanting to cry and commentaries really put it over. I was like kids cry and he's gonna cry and what was I supposed to do that? Right? Like when they give you something that's what I've talked about this on the show before like even if you don't it's not your favorite thing because not everything is going to be exactly how you wanted to be right. You got to do your best with it. Yeah, you know, you got to put your best foot forward on this type of shit. Jerry The King Lawler was pretty it was really interesting in this match. When he was calling commentary because he was saying some outrageous things. That was he was saying like, oh like basically same river Razor Ramon was such an ugly baby that his mom breastfed him with a straw and just things like that that were just so outrageous but it was funny with the you know, when you're watching the match and you're seeing all of this put forward because that was really cool to sort of see it all in one. But okay, so then the end when you're doing and then you slammed the camera that was hilarious. I mean, I thought it was funny. Thank you the best I could with that and you know, they they played on that like weeks and weeks afterwards. I can tell I was just wasn't around anymore, but I think but so like there was a Europe there was a like the last Europe tour before Kevin and Scott left and I'm pretty sure over there. I can't remember who exactly it was. I think it was gold dust that Scott was supposed to work with on the house shows and for some reason he couldn't make it. Are like they had to replace him and so they were putting Bradshaw JBL. Okay at the time who was just like Justin haugtvedt. He wasn't even fucking APA or right? Yeah. I can just have the big he was blackjacks yet, right and people shit all over it. They want they were chanting one two, three on all the house shows in Europe. So finally there was okay let Scott Hazmat guys, you know, so not want to work with kids and that's what the people wanted. And sometimes it's a good idea to give the people what they want especially in a fucking house show. So yeah that that was how much the people I wanted that you know, they still wanted to see Scott and I like I know you said you didn't like the 1-2-3 Kid named. Did you think that maybe once you turn heel that maybe you should have had a name change? No, no, no. No, I don't like pink like a lot of names. I mean, I've had him too many other days, you know, and then I did. Oh, yeah was there ever and I know we talked about this but I forgot to ask you this but was there ever a segment where you did show that you spent the money the $10,000 so you guys just brushed through that? No, never did anything with that because I was curious about that afterwards and I wish I was like, you know what that would have been interesting. How do we see nor? You know what you did with the $10,000 happened was okay when I came back through the like There's tons of cash in that bag. Right and there was Arnold skoland are nice: it was in charge of that and get it back to him. And he was like, there's like to I forget what he said there was like two grandmas in her something. Like I like I didn't put it over too much but I was kind of worried that that maybe he was not just ribbing me right? Let me not to Grant a Time. Holy shit. Yeah, right. It's a week's pay on a good week. That's crazy. Daisy so yeah, so those are some of the things that you know, we wanted to talk about here today and I just think it was really cool. So oh I forgot to mention something so during your tag team match. This is just something that I noticed from watching the one with you and razor versus the smoking guns. There was this some parts where it seemed that you guys were going to win. The crowd was really excited about it and got like some huge pops. Yeah, and I was thinking to myself like man like you don't see that anymore nowadays where you get these pops like it was a tag team match like, you know, like I don't know how to And just like that everything overall like you just don't see that anymore part of the reason was they cared about like they cared about us as a team, right? We have that history and everything and so they were already emotionally invested in Us in but like so just assume you already have those ingredients. It's how you lay them out and how you build the match right? And that's just you don't and that hasn't changed like doesn't change. It just it hasn't gotten passed on to the new. Your generation like it like it should have been like I like honestly I a lot of that blame. I give to our generation for not you know being there to pass it on to the younger guys. But yeah now that's what that is. That's just how we built it how we built the manage. Yeah, because I was just seeing that I was like mad I don't recall the last time I saw, you know, you know something like this if it wasn't like a big like, oh my God, this is a big match on SummerSlam ER Royal Rumble or whatever WrestleMania, you know, something like that just like You know what a raw, I don't know whatever you want to call it. So just basically that's one of the things that I noticed and I just thought it was really interesting to see to sort of see how the crowd house was invested in certain storylines and certain characters and versus now, which was interesting and so like I could just remember also like I came in and I was out hurt for a while and I was out here in La we have in my injuries and And that's when I came back and cost Scott the the IC title. Yeah Goldust. Yeah, I came in when I had a go. Oh, I got big. I got heat because I snuck us Nook wearing a Gold's Gym ragtop sweatshirt, you know onto the pay-per-view. Yeah, they weren't. I mean it was a huge deal real pissed, right? Yeah. So yeah. I just remember caution and I remember him with the spin. Got the top and another remember what we did if we did anything after that, I think that might have been kind of my last anyone ever. Yeah, you know sort of the the Razor Ramon 1-2-3 Kid Saga, right? So with that you and mention kind of that depression of you know, seeing your friends, you know, all leaving basically was it did that make it that much of a relief when you jumped and join the end, of course, we're able to kind of reunite with them. Yeah. Mmm, and I told that told the story on how that It went you know, I had an overdose and at TVs after that Europe tour we were talking about yeah is that was up 21 days straight pretty much right just partying going crazy, you know just, you know burning the candle at both ends. I just just tremendous case of like, you know, Melancholy combine with the I don't give a fuck. Right, right. So yeah, you know Talked about this Vince put me in rehab you got me all you know ready to go and then like let me go work for been there WCW if I wanted to MMM, you know, he's like hey if you want to go that they got if you got a better deal wait for you there, you know, just go I'll give you a week to think about it. He flew me in to Stanford to tell me that well. Yeah and while I was in rehab that First Rehab, you know, I was paid. Other than I was while I was out working on the road full-time. Like I think a huge part of that was, you know, I didn't have to worry about anything. Well, it was in rehab. Usually there's a lot of people in there and Rehab situations like that. They're so distracted because their life is falling apart so bad on the outside that there's like, you know families are getting ready to be a you know, they can't pay the bills and the food right, you know, get ready to get kicked out because because of rents not paid does a lot of things and I didn't have to worry about any of those things because of you know, since that's an awesome. Yeah, that's really and then and so part of you know, I say this, you know, it was so nice of them to let me go in the middle of like that kind of heated water, but also part of that is like he just didn't really think I was that big of a factor, you know, if we're to be honest right ask you Why you think you did that but just didn't think I was gonna be a huge difference in the war. Sometimes people are wrong. You sure are smart people. Yeah. I've never talked about that afterwards and later on in the future. We didn't have to write we didn't have to when I came back and you know, everything happened the way it did when I came back that was no need to have a conversation about it. Sure. There you go, you know, it's so so not to get too big of a question, but what do you think it was about? How about you and Scott the kind of Drew you guys to each other that that made you so close we are. Just there's so many things about us that are similar, you know and just are just we love this so much just so much and also I was I had already been under the cursor adding this to perfect Learning Tree and you know, Scott and Sean that you know, they they they had been there as well. And so like like all this stuff that the quick DX NWO like all that Granny was such a huge part of that just in his influence on everyone involved. You know, like Kurt was the guy that took all the guys under his wing all the young guys and you know, and so Scott did the same thing and so I tried to do the same thing. Yeah, so, I don't know I about carried out by just now that's really interesting. I never I never knew that that was kind of one of the Congress several common things that you know, that bonded us together. I was one of them that's all right. And I mean, yeah, we all we got my stuff together, but I was like not the main thing at all. Hmm. If it was our relationship wouldn't be what it is to this day. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Thank you for This was fun. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, how would that what time is it Jeff coming up on an hour guys good time you wash great show cool. I hope everyone enjoyed this. Yeah. Yeah, and you know for the people I didn't mention earlier in the show. Like I just figured we would do, you know change up the format a little bit, you know, because it was a lot going on and a lot of news and and Industry right now and it's the greatest time like maybe one of the greatest things ever. Hmm. It's just done. 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You know, why by not shooting them at all doesn't even know exist. I know it's oh no, I think we collectively as an entire nation or later kids know. We just kind of collector like Baron, you know when you know when you kind of go down the line, Line and you like that person can take it that person can tell ya and then you hit Barry like hands off. Yeah, he's on some fin. I said he's not going to be too well equipped in the future. Anyway, we're going to really get I think he might be the guess when we do the 500 Paula all politics episode 5 of the episode Baron Trump coming up in four years with that dupe. He's nine. Would be nine years from now. There's no fucking chance you had cast even exist by then his you know, his middle name is Vaughn You're such. Okay, so so yeah, so so look this week, we're gonna be talking about Dad bods and Mom bods and staying fit when you have kids or the lack thereof staying fit that is the lack thereof staying fit not the lack thereof kids. 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Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. All right, everybody as promised tonight's episode is Dad bods and Mom bods and trying to stay fit when you got kids which is not easy to do. Let me just tell you my wife and I have this conversation all the time. Basically. She says you are fat you need to go to the gym and I say I don't want to and then case closed and then you just drop the mic towel and everyone's puking so so lately I have many of you may know I started. Job, and there's a gym in my building and if there weren't a gym in my building it would be very hard for me to commit to going to the gym because it's all about the commitment and making it a habit and my wife is here. This is the other version of that where she doesn't have easy access to a gym and she has a full-time job and nobody wants to go first thing in the morning. She has Ms. It's hard for her to get her to bed. Anyway, she's exhausted all the time. And on the on your way home. There's zero chance of my life. I'm ever going to the gym the time I've ever gone to the gym when I've had a job is in the middle of the day if I can or because I dropped my kid at the bus stop at like 7:30. I don't have to be at work until 9:00. So I would drop them off do some push-ups. I wouldn't put I would drop them off I would drop off I would take the train and go to the gym near my office, right and go before work is I'm already up. I'm not going back to bed. I would never get up just to go to the gym or go for a run. I literally did that once where I got up early on my I'm gonna get up and go for fucking run. It was Nightmare. It was like now I'm always going to choose sleep and get the extra sleep. But if I'm up we went and did it having getting it done early in the day is amazing. When you if you can do it during work like your lunch break or like I can do now meeting or something. Yeah, right. Take sorry guys, grab your gym bag and head out. Like I can do now it break up the day. It's Parts like you're getting paid to go to the gym exactly. It's amazing. But without that it's really hard to do because we talked about in the scheduling Logistics episode when you got kids you gotta bring them places. You don't have a lot of free time or time to yourself pick him up from school and stuff. It's a whole thing. It's really really difficult So Sweet Melissa is no way they are you do and that's one of the biggest pains like, I mean, honestly this kid is 6 months old. I'm pretty sure they need to they can figure it out. They can six months if they're not a fucking dum-dum. I mean, let's be honest. There's a lot of dum-dums out there sure are so sweet Melissa. 78-77 says this exact thing she says it's hard to stay at fit after kids, but it is possible, but you have to commit to it which Have not and that's her saying that you have to commit to it, which I have not you know what I always tell people because I'm kind of kind of the Jack LaLanne of the 21st century and I say making going to the gym is a habit. You have to make it a habit to do it. And then once you don't do it not doing it can become just as much of a habit like if I would skip like two days it's really easy to have like an excuse to not go the third day and the next thing you know, you're not going for three months. Is this what it's like to go to a mic seminar? It is I'm actually starting dad and buries them pep talk. Okay. Yeah coming to college campuses community colleges starting starting off starting off soon. Yeah, I pay the attendees and I give and I have a big sign behind me that says this will say thing though. It says Genesis. I cry I hate which is my whole thing. Okay. Yeah, and then I just tell people you know, what gives your kid if I can imagine it's the crazy hat. I don't know what you're talking about. That's what What's up' hot there? That's die. Cry hate in jobs. I cry hit know. It says I'm not even gonna say what I was just going to say because it would not have been appropriate. Okay. So do you you go to the you're pretty fit your well you're busting through your but now no. No, I mean I'm I have I have gone to the gym. I do go to the gym. I like to do that, but it's been only recently which means in the last I would say the last couple of years. My kids are old enough now where I've Found myself in a place where I feel like I can go to the gym, but I don't always go to the gym. I also work at home. Will you ride your bike around? I ride a bike cardio. You need a ride a bike. But really that's honestly just like me like just shortening My Life by how quickly I'm going to be getting a killed driving the New York streets. It's not that's not bitter streets. I mean, although I do bike I mean, but it's not a lot. It's like I know you're near your very nearby you work near where you live you podcast near where you live literally shit. Where you Of right where I live and where you eat. Yeah, sometimes I actually have to go out of my apartment right now. You have an outhouse. Nope, just the curb. Yeah, pretty good just to get some separation sleep because I just need people to know that I'm alive and I need to let's say do you mark your territory? Guess what everybody? I'm Peter. Yeah, I'm here. If you've ever video with a city, that's me. It's not on the one of the train platforms. That was you. Yeah, it was not not pleasant. No, it's not but I don't do that. But what I do, I hear metabolism. No seems like it's really Kickin dude. I was I was 240 pounds of my heaviest one was that this was about five years. You're what 62? I'm six-three. Yeah, 6-3 you don't say yeah. I was wrong say no, I'm six-three. I mean come on your clothes. Thank you a good judge of how you were to 40. When was this probably about five years how much of that was ego about 60% of it. So this is five years ago the 10 and then right after that it was ego. I looked at myself in the mirror. Is my sweater rolled up like yeah uncontrolled snapped up around my tire and was like a spare tire it just so you had two kids. You didn't yet have the third eye or he had just been born maybe know I had I had the two kids. Yeah Thats Right. I had the two kids was a sympathy it was a sympathy gain because your wife was pregnant and I had then you were like, you know, what? Yeah, I'm gonna make you feel better about yourself by let myself go a little bit except for you know, what I'll be in a good fucking husband. I know except for guess what? But my stupid wife like got her fucking ass super-fit. I have never seen him. And so I got horrible because she's super in shape. She also her metabolism is like ridiculous lightning is kind of annoying. It's very annoying and then I'm here. I am with my sweater kind of you can imagine like Will Ferrell like a like a tire the sweater Exposed Skin belly button and then pants that's kind of what I was rocking for am loving the visual and yeah for a while and then I was like, What I think I'm gonna go change this shit up. You said riding a bike? You work out at home. What do you do NordicTrack? No, I do. I do like I just do like exercising. I do like the actually calisthenics. Yeah jumping jacks you watch like a video unlike Roku or Apple TV X, but you have a system you have like some kind of things systems handsome and then but then I go there and then I get the thing that I like about it. Is that it first of all, I have a horrible job is very stressful. Exercise really helps for all the shit at home and it's more funny as shit at home in the shit. But you also you like you're not like a junk food guy. You've said before in the past on this podcast that when you go on road trips I said what snacks do you bring? And you said I don't bring snacks. If you don't bring snacks on road trip, you're not a junk food guy. I guess not. It's like a fucking the the bottom of the barrel everybody brings bullshit. Yeah snacks on and run a road trip, and you don't so that means Like snacks, you don't like junk food. I do like that stuff. But you know, I don't like you don't maybe I'm you know what it is. I'm too busy yelling at your kids. Yeah. I'm too busy going at the other the other drivers can swear all the time in the car. But so we asked a bunch of people how they stay in shape if they do and we got a whole lot of responses. So gorilla underscore our o2e which is Gorilla underscore Rose sort of says yoga eating healthy and meditate. I'm not fit by can keep up with the kiddos which is sort of all you need. That's the key right? That's what that's how it started at least for me because I was like, I have a bad mental place that I'm in which I was right you felt bad and you're like, I don't want to be dead. I don't want to like a heart problems when my kids are teenagers. I want to be around for my kids lives. So I was like, I'm happy if I know if I get taken out immediately because these kids are like an awful and I'm tired of everything but getting fat ass too long heart attack is just gets not guaranteed guaranteed. You don't know but the other way to stop feeling that way was to Sighs which definitely did so I did it more for just the mental Clarity. Sarah under store. Ganot says she runs or uses YouTube workout videos, but she has to pull them all the pause them all the time because of kids and she hates the dad bod double standard when we get into a little bit later. Well the double standard is that Dad bods get to have Dad bods and women supposedly. It's a media creation. I think think Dad bods are like attractive. No one no. No, this was the thing that came out like five years ago where they go, but the is that way I see it. He can walk around. Well, here's the way I see it. Yes. Here's the way I see it. So I saw a segment once we're like one of the new things did a segment on Dad bods and they used an enormous like an obese man. Like I'm not right. It's just the fact of the matter is he was corpulent right running around with this kid and they're like, oh this guy's got a dad but I'm like, that's not a dad buys brass it whatever. I don't know what his health is like or whatever but that's not a dad but a dad bod is somebody who at one point was sort of a theater in shape and then kind of let themselves go. And they've lost definition. Yeah, and they're doughy and they have a little bit of a potbelly that's what a dad bod is, right? So this the media creation or whatever came out were suddenly women suppose. He like Dad bods and meanwhile, there's no double standard is that women are constantly being shamed or they have these unrealistic beauty standards. We're in a lot of them. Are they put them on the silly put them on themselves, but it's it's as much a part of like the women's live. They just grow up with this stuff ingrained. It's not like man are necessarily going around saying do that. It's just In the air right in the air. It's exactly what you just don't know but it's very created idea and celebrity culture and all that stuff. But a lot of it isn't so much that like guys are going up to women directly and saying get in shape. It's just that they're indirectly being fed all this shit that they've internalized it and that they try to do that themselves and they feel bad if they don't which is very nobody saying, oh your mom bought us out. Although body positivity is becoming a bigger thing and like stretch marks and all this stuff is being celebrated which As it should be especially if I can have a fucking beer gut and women are like give me a piece of that which they are not been assessed Italy. In fact never been hit on in my entire life. Not only that even one literally your wife and my wife were both like what the fuck is that thing? It was like, what is what we get in shape. You want to talk about double standards bring my wife constantly tells me to go to the gym. If I fucking ever said to my wife you need to go to the gym her lawyer would fuckin serve the papers We Know listen, I'm oh, I'm like what I'm like, Two miles away from guide here as you would hear the explosion mean honestly. What was that? She's just like, oh you should go to the gym if she fucking tells me like my hair doesn't look good and like everyone's while I get annoyed because she's she'll tell me that kind of shit. All the time made makes me shave doesn't like it. I'm like if I ever fucking said to you shave I don't like your goatee. She would fly through the roof honest anyway, because that's it's so super Toph says that he stays in shape the same way. I do with 12-ounce curls super tough coming in hot just fucking Super token shots at me. First of all, you call yourself call yourself super Toph and even if you don't call yourself super tough, you call yourself Toph and unless you're Topher Grace just don't want to hear it Topher Grace. What I kind of like them didn't watch That 70s Show, but he's had some good performances in the movies Mary but buying he was in the the KKK thing with Spike Lee. You know what I never? He's good in heat got kind of boring. What wasn't bad. What's it called? A klansman I wasn't It wasn't great. I mean, it's okay. Mary Bayan says I go to the gym literally five days a week and it doesn't work. This is the problem when you cross like the 40 Rubicon you get older Heather, my wife would get mad at me sometimes because it would be simple as that if I just suddenly started going to the gym if I hadn't gone for months and like stop drinking as much beer. Yeah. Yeah, I could lose 10 pounds real quick. It's not quite the case anymore. I've been going to the gym for about a month straight and United. Uh, nothing. No, I have one in. In the fridge salt, which is part of the problem one here, which is amazing. Well, it's amazing. You showed up with a cig. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you Sarah in Minnesota. Sarah underscore in underscore. MN says she works out at home like Pete. Yes. It's quick. There's no commute and who knows that the body is different with or without kids that don't know what that means. You know what she's saying. Maybe it is aging that does it and not having kids that does it although when you're a woman and you get pregnant your body just changes because it's the Miracle of Life. I know can I just say Are just going to put a shout out for working at home, which seems ABS working out at home. Yeah working out at home. It seems absolutely insane and no one would want to do that and kind of make you want to throw up except for if you can crop if you can figure it out. If you can figure out the space and the like the regime all of a sudden now, you don't have to go to the gym. It's on your terms and you know exactly you can like fit in. Yeah, but you have to physically I'm just saying only got to be self-motivated to do. It at home. Yeah, you do. Yeah, but you have the P90X. Is that what it's called? Yeah, I don't have anything like that in my house. Also, just get it and do it. Well, stop being a total bitch about it. Sonoko. Mom says she's does she does 30-day challenges with friends? She's in a Facebook group. Yeah, and they kind of motivate each other to do these things because she says expectations for moms are ridiculous. Look, Honestly health is as you get older health. Is it like first of all having a kid as a mom and dad both but as a mom is going to physically alter your entire body chemistry your makeup like everything changes and it's like it's fucked up and it's not always and as a dad nothing changes at all except for honestly, you have to do more things. Would you need knowing you need to drink a lot of more to serve? Doing those game and don't forget all the things that you should be doing, but you're not doing but you need to be reminded of all those things I your wife which is stresses you out and makes you drink more but in order to actually fix the thing that she's talking about. Let me have two more beers so I can get nice exactly. So shade erlin s CH oo a DI rli n on Instagram says I do the mama strong interval workouts 15 minutes a day all I can fit in and it feels good enough. Yeah. Don't know what Those are imagine there's some kind of YouTuber but they ain't they Mama strong workouts. So you do know no it is what he does. Maybe you could shed some more light on. I did not expect the yes, Steve Roush says, he runs 5K races and tries to do at least one Triathlon a year go to hell Steve rash, not only you know what know when you're in hell because you're running a triathlon. I don't give a shit. None of these people like that stuff. I want you back off not in hell because he runs 5K run around a bell because he has two kids well, He does have two kids. I didn't finish reading it. I don't understand long-distance Runners. I did that. I do not understand now. I have a friend who did the New York Marathon like two years ago, and he said he said my body will never be the same like it was a huge mistake like my hips my knees. My back fucked me up. I don't understand it. What do you who you trying to? What are you trying to God? Damn it? Some people are what are you trying to prove? Some people are natural Runners and have a good Rhythm and are able to do that. Other people are not like now I hate riding. I've never felt the runner's high. I've the closest I've ever come to a runner's high is drinking a 30-pack and smoking for joints. Yeah. Wow, you're during the marathon. Yeah. Well watching it. So this is this is the kind of workout. I like Ike underscore be says she doesn't early morning job a couple times a week to get her dead and buried podcast day. Oh, yeah. That's what you gotta do. Hey, Erica be I actually--when I so when Go to the gym, especially if I haven't been in a long time, I will start and I'll do cardio for the first few weeks. I won't do any weights or anything. Right? I'll just do cardio to get my heart pumping again. I fucking hate doing cardio. So I do intervals. So I do it for like 12 minutes and I like our he's in for like 2 minutes then I'll Sprint for a minute and then I'll he's in for a minute or Jog and then I'll Sprint and I do that like five times just to try to maximize my heart rate without having to run much. I listened to a podcast like the whole time like Marc Maron some of the ringer stuff I used to. A fur music during it but I feel like podcasts almost makes it go quicker. You get lost in the conversation the dulcet tones of Pete Anderson. I'm the dad and berries, right? Yeah. It's feedback. Mike pretty good. Look at you. Listen, I'm sorry. This is Storm country. Look easy. Let's talk. Mr. Anderson. So King King H2O underscore uses any and every excuse to run up and down the stairs drinks a gallon of water daily and fast intermittently my brother. Does that internal fast? And King to oh, we don't need to hear about your amazing regime. I like to use stairs. I use stairs a lot to you two at a time. It's just who I am. I'm so terrible a couple years ago. I hadn't seen a friend in a while and we met and we were like going up in Boston is leaving the tea. Yeah, and I was he I said I was taking the shares because I'll still doing them two at a time, huh. He remembered it's one of my calling cards. Yeah, so kinked H2O underscore used. He drinks a gallon of water daily. I am terrible at drinking. Water I can't make myself do it Seltzer. It's not about the flavor. It's just about there's two things that have happened in the year coming to any 20 that we should all be proud of one is apples are taste delicious now fuck apples who gives a shit. No, thank you. And but I will eat them. This thing called me by him by your name. That was a peach and two Seltzer sparkling tasty flavor to brand new inventions coming to stores in 2020 aliens and seltzer. You know what this is what I am thinking. For okay, it's Thanksgiving coming up. God damn it. So been teeny 80 says I am unhappy with my post kid body, but find it so hard to find the time and energy to work out at the end of the day when my husband comes home. All I want to do is sit on the couch and drink wine not go to the gym 100% exact possible to do it at the end of the day in an Ideal World. I would wake up before my kids and husband super early and hit the gym, but I would rather sleep because I'm always so damn tired. This is exactly the problem. You don't have time at the end of the day when the other parent gets home. You don't want keep you don't have the energy to do it in the morning because it's hell on Earth to wake up and do the gym. There are a lot of women that will like younger women even who like don't have kids yet who will get up at like 5:30 and go to the gym don't know that is fucking baffling to me. It's true. It's truth is I'm gonna go ask some of my co-workers Tomorrow. There's a really tall. Okay lady. All right young very young and I call her a 8 lady everyone. Literally everyone. There is younger than me. Yeah. She's very tall. I guarantee you when I'm be I'm gonna I go ask her about the gym should be like I get up at fucking In I go to the gym for three hours and I do my hair for two hours and then I'm in the car and she's dominating her job. Okay. Well, she's just because very well-rounded her at her job than you are doesn't mean she gets up at 3:15 and I'm telling you she gets up. I don't think she even goes to sleep. She just gets home from work. She works out for seven hours projecting and she fucking does her hair. Listen the point is he looks good. Don't we get it Mike you described her drawing your drawing my right here. Which is weird anyway, not in not in looks her voice. No one ever said she's not do anything whether it's walking or just like doing something for a period of time. That's what you should do. Right doing something for a period of time drinking. Does that work? No, does that work peeing be more specific do something exercise related fine. There you go for a period of time words matter and think about it this way. It is not it's not about doing small intervals. It's about doing waves. So do things in so for example work out for three months and then give yourself a break for three months. No. No, I would not do that. Yeah. No, no and then give needs to be consistency you can Unchanged what your workout is. You don't want to stop working out for three months. Do what you want to do. Fine. Do whatever you want to do. If you want to be in good shape. You don't stop work it out as long as excuse me. Yeah. Thank you for Mike Guru. You can buy tickets the wrong I'm saying. I have 95 go to the gym High long. I lost my job. So I no longer had like my gym subsidized and I was no longer taking the commute and going like taking my to the bus stop and then go to the gym and then going to the gym We'll listen listen and then hoo mmm N running at home and that shit is is a pain and I wasn't a good mother wasn't in a good place run around the street and then I got sciatica and I couldn't run anymore. I forgot you're 92 years old. You know what? Well a lot of young pregnant women get sciatica. Okay. Are you a young pro? But are they 92 is the point it does a false equivalency age? Okay, so was yours god dammit. Alright, so Starry High says she lives out of state from all possible family. Or free childcare she joined the local why after her first baby and got time to work out and shower in the kids got to play because you can dump your kids and like the right in-house y daycare which which mom and buried often uses. Yeah. She said that pretty much set the habit of working out now, we have a home gym. And I'd say we're in the best shape of Our Lives. Don't get me wrong. We're not crazy fit couple types, but we've managed to offset our drinking which is really all that matters. Nobody needs to be crazy. But that's the whole point. But the older you get the harder it gets to offset your drinking or eating because abs are made in the kitchen. We that's actually true. But oh, well, it's what you eat. Really? No, I know but your diet has a lot more to do with it. But that said fuck what you look like just for a sec, you know, just put aside what you look like a would want to look like just do it for Imagine sleeping like really well, you know just get can imagine that exactly so long at yourself tired and go to bed. And that's one of the nice things we make the gym a habit. You do have sleep a little bit better. I'll bit you sleep way better and all the shit speak for yourself. Yeah, well, I'll speak for myself and for you know, you putting it neat. So I don't know I'm speaking if you're watching on YouTube. You would have known Paula policy says before having his son he would work out five to six days a week. Now. The only thing he has time or money for is running which he's lucky if he can do once or twice a week and he adds and Coke. She says I hate being out of shape, especially when he sees old pics of his pre kids self. Yeah. So my wife does that sometimes she falls in that trap where? Like be looking at old pictures and she'll be like, oh my God. I look so much better. I'm like, you know what? Everyone did 10 years ago. It's just a fucking fact of life, right? You got to like deal with it. And then and then the worst thing women do my wife included is watching fucking movie watch a movie and they see fucking Jennifer Aniston and like she's my age and she looks fucking amazing yet. No shit. Her entire fucking job is looking good. She's got a personal trainer a personal fucking Chef snowcat for day is working out. Now. What a fine not Jennifer Aniston plenty of other women, but I shall point out a celebrity whose entire job is Selling their fucking their image and they have nannies and they have personal chefs and they have people who live in their fucking homes who like do this shit for him and they have Jim regimes like you literally just described your life. I'm just yeah, right. I'm not saying be ridiculous thing to compare yourselves here. I find it very annoying that I'm going to my wife and these other women fall into that trap. Yeah. Well, you know what, you're a huge advocate as we all know of I don't know what you blew it. So Bell Paul is 6 3 1 201 9 which reminds me of 8 6 7-5 3 8 6 7-5 309 he says she says walk a lot every day and I will say yep just living in New York makes a big difference, right you can stay fit without even trying just walking to and from the train walking around your neighborhood walking to the Grave Macy's in Herald Square to get a new pair of loafers. Just walking up and down. I'm just saying how about a new pair of slacks the slacks true. There's my kid called his pants trousers. Yes trousers. You're nine years old good for you have to be 99 to use the word trousers all my pants trousers. He was wearing tights at the time. So he got the word wrong. You gotta in more ways than one sickly got everything. Well, he's wearing tights under his Spider-Man costume, which is a badass fucking Kosta. Okay, but the tights part he just work because it's the Spider-Man costume is cold. We were going to Governors Island. So he wore like yeah this what they weren't ya. Okay, so M cedeño who's one of our Prions m dot cedeño 1980s as I stay fit by constantly being stressed the fuck out yelling at my kids that and chasing after his ass. That's how I keep this Dad bod. Oh and beer lots and lots of beer. So I wrote I made a chart being a dad bod in pristine exactly is Dad bod, July. There's a dad bod calendar out there which o is it that we're making it so I created a chart a few years ago about the ways you can stay in shape just by having kids and it was like you're doing Jesus just by you know reaching for your kid to stop him from like falling in the fountain and you're doing squats by reaching under the couch to grab their fucking hot wheel and just a bunch of little hilarious. Frankly hilarious. It's sounds hysterical. I chaired it the other day when I was asking for questions about this and I'll fucking share it again. And guess what? You'll hit the like button you'll double tap it as they say in histogram is soul mate, even though you guys don't have Instagram. It's still going to happen because it's that good. That's what the content is that good. I'm way I'll wait till I see it on a winky cheeks. Says three years after having my twins. I hopped on the Cato trained as a caterer kid. Okay? Oh the kettle KET. Okay Kettle dokidoki, toe. I got it wrong. So there's three different ways and I need oh shit. Look at Poindexter over here ketosis. You said she did weeks of research and she hopped on the keto train and lost sixty plus pounds then she Incorporated weight training while adjusting her macros for muscle gain. What the fuck are you talking? Hey you did we can takes home and voila. Call me. Mom bad no more because I've entered loose skin Lisa bad. So that's the wow. That's one of the side effects. She lost a lot of weight and all of a sudden she lost so much that she's got loose skin. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, what's that happens? Yeah congrats. Yeah, that means 60 plus is a no small feat, right? So with that we're going to go into the mom bod section where a bunch of people talked about Mom. Bots and really for women. It's really just there post-pregnancy bod in the way their body has been altered. Men, it's just a hot term. It's such a flying that they're allowed to go to pot a little bit. I agree. I think that yeah, you see the I mean now that I have lost weight. I don't remember ever seeing I think looking at you would think you were fat. I was big you've always been annoying within I've been I will because I'm your entire your beanpole. Well, I am now but I was I was tall I was told I am because I am tall I was able to hide my weight pretty well, but you know, Doesn't why you have these hips your clothes don't lie. So the I would wear clothes and the next thing you know, I would just you know, the oh no the shirt. I have a whole bunch of clothes in my classroom right now that I can't wear like literally would be just so the best thing ever is is I have a bunch of clothes in my closet. I've been cleaning out my closet like Eminem and I have a bunch of clothes in there and I'm like, I'm not touching these because I know how fat I am, right and then you start going to the gym and they go to the gym for a week and I'm like me see this this Sunday fits. Nope. That was humiliating the Gap. Yes that man a little coat. I got fucking piece of shit. Yeah gonna need a couple more months before I can wear this shit. There was a time a couple years ago. So I was prepping for my brother's wedding and I'd already been going to the gym and I'm like, all right, like I'm the best man. He's getting me like a like his groomsmen gift was like to get a custom tailored suit and I'm like, I want to be a good shape for this right and I'm fucking pounding it out. I was in the best shape of my my adult life right before my wedding. All I did was car. Yo, so I was like the thinnest I've ever been but I had no muscle right. I was like I never went to the gym was never into it and all I did was do cardio and probably like 175 which I can never be now. I'm about 3:30 right now. And then for the my brother's wedding, I was the best shape I've ever been and then literally the day after the wedding. I didn't go to the gym for a year and a half all over and then I got sciatica. Oh my God, and that is literally usual now. I went back to the gym and I'm fucking look at you. Well, I got a couple of shirts in the closet. I'm hoping to get back on. I have some T-shirts that I bought as I aspirational t-shirts like hoping to get my body in shape to be we're able to wear them. I've had them for like ten years. Let's just say this morning more than once and at the time it was just like I shouldn't have been wearing it. Yeah one's a pacman shirt. Oh my God. I can't wait for you to wear another sort of I've a Bottle Rocket shirt, which is like a baby blue and it says bottle Rockaway. That's all for the show for the movie for the movie. I got at the Alamo Drafthouse in Austin. That's actually pretty cool. It is really cool. I can't wear it. I'll never I did ten years ago. I didn't fit it was they didn't have large they didn't have large but I wanted this shirt really bad. So I got medium unwearable just can't hide. I got an actual shirt from Alamo Drafthouse. Same thing. They didn't have large. They got medium never worn it. I couldn't do it in my cell no Drafthouse on its it was like a diamond rifle but it's really cool. It's got like a bunch of logos a super deep V, you're all the way down the V the happy trail as they call it anyway, so Jill appeal says she has a Mamba. Odd cardio makes her get really angry. You know what me, too. Can I fucking hate it? Can I just say cardio is the worst shit and I agree be angry at cardio for lying to us for so many years that it's going to get you in shape. It's garbage. What you need to do is any kind of push pull any any physical you need to build a resistant strain to do you need to build muscle? She lifts also she lifted home. Sometimes she keeps wait awaits under her bed Rocky Road. Grady 7 I chug Cokes and eat my kids leftovers mom bought all day. That's the problem man. She plans on getting in shape in a year or two. Don't we all you know, what though? If that's the case then that's the case then that's fine. Fine. Yeah, great. Just fucking stick to it. It's on are now right. This is in the fucking when they pay their cortisol. So in the Library of Congress Casey her L says the same thing I have a mom bod, but I try when I can I think I need to get past the clingy stage because their kid is 18 months. Yeah you do you're coming stage will end at about 18 years. Yeah half an acre. I have to work out just to maintain my chubby. Mom bod. She's thankful. Mom jeans are in fantini 80s talks about the mom. Bocce's is after you have a baby your body changes no matter what sing it sister. Some clothes will never fit again. There's a lot of pressure on women to lose the baby weight right away like celebrities do which is what I was talking about. The biggest downfalls are wine and eating off the kids plate those bites of fries and nuggets at up 100% The problem is you got to let your kids eat first though. That's the yeah, I know but then when they don't finish So you hit don't need all their just I would just make a quick adjustment to that and just let them have a little bit of food first and then eat the food but while you do it, you can drink a bunch of wine and also just giving the finger to both your kids. Yeah whines me out of here men coming in hot with the science that I can ptosis and that the wines made out of grapes Kito ketosis. Shut up me Olivia 25 says I work out, but I'm okay. With the fact that my body will never be the same as before. So am I if only my wife were you know, what accept me for who I am woman and no one can't you know, what In Those Jeans your G my ripert. Yeah. She ripped the G. There's literally she ruined the gene most let the record show she fucked up my ripped jeans. They were organically ripped and she took scissors to him and fuck them up. It's when you walk in you almost throw up because my jeans have to like or just have to the side of my knees is so over. Only when your eyes water and you just the back of your throat and I see his knees and then these are the bee's knees. Look at the top of your thigh a little bit too. Well, it's so unbelievably know what you're going to hate it when I make these in a jean shorts with the pocket dangling. You know what I think I'll actually be okay with that. Yeah, I want the pot. I want to see those keep the pocket. Yeah, Daisy Doo key real tight sake so mimosas with moms was a hilarious podcast ever own. I highly recommend checking it out. We're actually when you go give us a rating. Click on the rating and then Google then search mimosas with moms. She says have multiple kids in a row, you'll never sit down and you'll never get to eat then you'll have multiple kids. That's the problem. Okay Beth Mets is the same thing. She finds it being too busy to eat really helps. Yeah, but then you get just you just everything's like shot. Well, so that's the challenge though is not having time to work out. It's not so she's saying not having time to eat, but you need to eat to live. You don't need to work out to live. So if there's something you can you can Skip it's the Cow, so a part of in says she's been at a steady unhealthy weight since she had her third kid. The only time she got she felt she had time to work out was in the summer when she wasn't working because she's a teacher but this fall she joined Orange Theory, which is something my wife has been talking about lately. I don't know what it is. She says they have five a.m. Classes go to hell Orangetheory. Not not a pot of it. Let's see. She says he'll work out actually feels better at 5 a.m. And if I did it at 8 p.m. I agree, but she can't do it after work because of Extracurricular activity extracurricular activities ever children dance gymnastics soccer swimming but see this is what I'm saying. But like my coworker at work 5 a.m. Workout you saying this what you're saying? That's what I mentioned earlier that these women get up. I was there so dedicated and not that they're so dedicated it's there. So they feel so obligated to have to do this whether it's for themselves or society's expectations. They would literally get up there until the gym for themselves. Or I said I said whether for themselves The point is for society to do something that makes you feel good by the way drinking makes you feel good. But so does are getting up at 5 a.m. Does it make anybody feel good, of course not but at the payoff comes at the end fuck pay off now not worth it. No, don't forgetting up at 5 a.m. Ain't worth definitely don't fire worth. It. Just get now worth it about of in I love you. Just the way you are. Well, no, if you're happy with how you look more power to you. First of all, stop talking about how you look and get more into about the mindset your soul your soul. All yeah ban start I don't have one. So I related to it. Okay. There we go. P g O8 302 made a gym at home works out early because nobody has time to go to the gym. Ain't that true? There we go Lorelai izzle and we says it's possible but you have to manage your schedule around working out pain in the ass. Really? Yeah. No shit is a pain Nathan A Smith says, it's not easy. But either make time or play sports. Let's join in activities with your kids. I don't like the tone the Nathan A Smith takes their it's not easy, but take time. You know, what Nathan I want to make time just so not everybody can make time not everybody can get my wife's got multiple sclerosis not getting up at 5 a.m. He's got a full-time job. She's got children and a husband to take care of are you saying it's just oh she didn't make time to work out God. Damn it. Nathan A Smith. Look, I'm happy to be able to do it. It's not always as simple as motivation or rearranging your schedule. Listen, Nathan Mike's it takes a lifestyle change. Has Ms. Has to take care of him. She didn't understand. What a huge important thing is I think is in such a situation and sometimes I'm thinking in some situations. It takes a real overhaul, but in some situation it takes a real over likes my wife like she has to talk to me. She's planning on like starting to try to work out after work a couple time doing it is to say to me. Hey, is it cool if like you get home on time to manage the kids to do this? That's what I'm saying. Like, yes, it is, but it's not just a simple as I'll make time. It's like Like third Logistics that need to be worked out. It's not just Is that just because this person's you're lazy. No things need to be done. Yeah, it's not that easy. Everybody Wang Chung said was the most obvious thing anybody. I know but I'm just saying Nathan A Smith didn't even mean it mean lie, but the tone of the comment but you took her and me off. Yes, because I'm a petty piece of shit to Hazel stoop 24 said my physiotherapist, that's me use the treadmill after treatment for my next is what she's doing is is she's multitasking. Yes. She's already at the physiotherapist. What getting some work done? Hashtag reimbursed. Hashtag members. So Katie Carl 79 says the only time I could work out is in the morning not going to happen. Sleep winds say yeah, and then so so go outside kids takes issue with the entire premise. He says take this question of public figures for parents with outside help. It's so funny cause they're the only people who are fit. It is just imagine how fucking hard it is to go from your house outside into the cold air. I'm assuming it's called to run then. No, but or yet to run go somewhere to go. So yeah versus figuring out how to work out at home. Really? I know they're I'm saying. Yeah, I know but like buying equipment at home can be exploited government bans. What's the P90X? It's bands on a pull-up bar and bands used to do pull up. Somebody. Can you do a fucking shit? Dude? Honestly, we're not here I can do if I can absolutely look at these unbelievable cons. Stop it. Okay. This is not what Deb underscore chaplain says it's easier to get to the gym now that her kid is older. He's 13 she brings Same with her and they both work out or he swims in the pool. It took her until her 30s to care about working out and she's hoping her son is learning much earlier than she did because it's better to learn early and always be in shape. I wasn't really a thing like when we were kids I know kids didn't work out and nor did my parents first I learned of it was like I knew a couple of like beef beef heads in Meatheads in college who would go to the gym all the time. Right? And the last thing I wanted to do in college was go to the gym. Yeah. The only thing I was pounding was a vegan. Keg baby, but you didn't it didn't stop you from just hang on the shower room though, which you know, I love the shower when I look this good conversation the barber shop, but it's upsetting like it wasn't a thing like like coffee drinking wasn't a thing for high schoolers when we were kids, right and neither was going to the gym and working out right but now it is it's a huge. Oh, you're as proud industry. No, I was in the band bitch you clear coating around my clarinet and my saxophone. You know, how much that gear Wade? Fucking little hat my hat my marching band at the thing is how you survived is a God is a miracle, you know when you don't have dignity. Yeah. So look you don't I played Sports in high school not in college. What sport rugby name three Sports rugby in volleyball. That's only two. Okay. That was it. Those are the is all you got you you played water fucking Polo you bitch you didn't you smell I don't you were so waspey. It's disgusting. And honestly, I was so waspey. I'd fucking face just screams wasp. I would just feel like honestly Peggy. Let's get out of here. But you lived in England. They had volleyball in a little I was here. I was a instead of a wasp was a huge tough different. Well, yeah, you're definitely a fuckin tough here, but I wasn't watch it. That's that's oh yeah. No, but I yeah, the point is being, you know playing being active being It's a good thing and there's points in your life where you're not and you don't need to be in take that pressure off. But then if you want to start doing most definitely right though, and then you start early because it's better for your mind that it is for your body. Step. Chapel is right though. If you start early and make it habit rather than have to like catch up and undo some some shit. That's good. So the real Jason Thomas who's a new listeners told me that he used to be in great shape. He was a triathlete. All right, the only reason I'm tolerating this because he said I was I don't like triathletes. He said then we had our daughter and I didn't really work out. Out for a few years decided to run a full marathon after I turned 40 so that got me back in great shape running was too painful. Oh, you don't say so I stopped after the second marathon and now I'm back to full-time dad bod, and I hate it. But now I don't have time to work out because I drive Uber all night and still work my corporate day job so Dad bought it is for the time being. You know what thank God women are so hot for the dead but the real Jason Thomas you got nothing to worry about actually. Yeah, man, that's a lot of fucking work the Uber Wonder. And he said yeah go get an Uber for them to go get an Uber from the real Jason Thomas and tell him how much you like his fucking hot ass dad bod, but that's what I'm talking about. He was a triathlete ran marathons and now he has a dad because he wasn't shaping he through circumstance had let himself go a little bit that's what a dad bod is. So yeah, okay build the Mika says he's a member of the dad bod club for sure. But he strives to find time for a weekend run 90 minutes 90 minutes what I wouldn't give for 90 minutes by myself on the weekend. I know right? That's the thing. Yeah that that's why I'm gonna start running marathon. Sorry. I gotta go run 13 miles to prep for the race. Oh, really? You're going to take four hours to fucking go run. No, I'm gonna go to the bar. And then when it's Marathon day, I'm gonna spend all day at the bar and then show up at the end wrench just It is one of those tinfoil blankets that you ripped off of some poor. So funky fee has she says a dad bod is all right, but exceeding a certain point it turns into a major turnoff the greed her husband and her friends have some serious double standards regarding their own dad bods and then their wives bodies. This is not Society Society has body positivity. This is them being jerks fat jerks. I love it jerks. Yeah, man, fuck you free coming in hot. I love that and I just can I just say something about the dad bod, which is if you're in a T-shirt and your it's like flat on your chest. Yeah, and then it hits just about your stomach and all of a sudden that t-shirts alone seeking some random shapes like the big pot like the pot-bellied. You gotta be like a potbelly yes starts doing do something about that because trying to answer that's all it shit that's cancer and your pot belly. Yeah belly fat number one cause of cancer. Is that true? Yeah. I think that's true. It is its high. Wrong. Well, it's all related. The number one cause of cancer is belly fat. I said you heard it here. I've done absolutely no research. So obviously I have a dad bod Pete is I have striking shape. I'm about to get into my I don't have a dad but you don't have a gut at all every year. No. Look you're a goddamn left on a spit take a compliment. Just say thanks Mike. Thanks. I can't like I can't accept anything from you. Yeah, but they did. The fucking Beauty industrial complex has gotten to you too. I got in trouble. So last week we did at the Halloween episode and Melissa Lombardi went on our YouTube and she said wait before we get into all right center comments from kinder perfect.com Cards Against Humanity for parents. Thank you Kinder. Perfect. Go get your copy right now. Go get your ya have it shipped you via Amazon or Kinder perfect.com use the discount code 20 off daddy. That's 2-0 off Daddy get a little sweet ass discount. And play the game. We played it on our live early tonight, which I shared you can go. Well, no, it won't be there. It was on my stories briefly. Maybe you saw it, but we'll play it again. It's very fun. Very irreverent really takes the piss out of this whole parenting thing just like we do we're actually kind of pissed off we didn't come up with this game because it's so well suited to our sensibilities and the sensibilities of the podcast again anyway, so that's the segment the the comment so last week's episode was Halloween the comet segment is sponsored by kinder. Fact Melissa Lombardi went to our YouTube page. She watched the podcast and she said Pete is so incredibly wrong because there were costumes when we were little the shitty plastic masculine ties. You were like bag costumes didn't exist when we were kids. Okay. Oh there was okay there were masks in Cut but come on there what it's not like the the the industrial costume complex that there is everything is bigger now than it used to be but it's still exists a disease that show up on my door and just there's different ones. Different yes, it's worse. Now. That doesn't mean it didn't exist are running on bu I want this one and it's like a hundred fifty bucks and you're like face shut up. You're not getting that I do but then I wear me down because they're stupid sticky hands are so sticky and they're all over me. Yeah, wake up and gypsies. Oh, by the way, your knees honestly smells like cabbage. Seriously. Listen to the podcast crypto Queen. If something crypto Queen no, I thought you said queef. No crypto key. Listen, Lombardi says how do you feel about the Reese's Pieces stuffed peanut butter cups. It's a real. It's not Reese's Pieces stuff being becomes Reese's stuffed peanut butter cups. I don't know what that means stuffed peanut butter cups. What are they stuffed with peanut butter with Reese's? Oh, is that what she's saying? I haven't had them beat the shit out of those send them over Sweet, Melissa. I think Melissa Lombardi and Sweet Melissa. 78-77 are the same person you think so, are you putting this together on are just like making it? No. I knew I mentioned I mentioned earlier. I just can't confirm it. So Dana Bose day said she was just in a grocery store and saw the lion bar that you were talking about last week. Oh you bought it took a picture. But how do I confirm with Pete save? This is it I'm shitting on Petes parade. It's not great. It's like a 100 Grand bar, but not as good. Meanwhile the take five that Mike was talking about legit. Goddamn, right it is it take five is so good. I had one for dinner last night. Nate can attest. You know what sometimes we lose listeners. And so I'm sorry Dana Dana is gone tissue every one of her episodes. She's not going anywhere. Sorry Dad. She says she's not a fan of store-bought costumes because they're so thin and when you live in cold weather climate Halloween's usually Klatt crappy weather supposed to snow. It's supposed to rain for us. I heard it's supposed to snow on Halloween and like Kansas City, but the worst part is is your kid gets this costume and then they put their huge winter coat. Yeah, I know. I know it ruins a bunch of kids, but that's what she said. Then you're either trying to cover up the cost and they spent a ton of money on with the cold or trying to shove a jacket underneath the costume and it looks terrible. She prefers to make her kids costumes out of sweatshirts sweatpants so they can layer underneath if needed but at least they're warm and still look how they're supposed to she made a Ninja Turtle R2D2 Darth Vader Yoshi. What the fuck? Is that? A Ninja Turtle R2D2 Darth Vader Yoshi from Super Mario Brothers. That's all one thing ining Teenage Mutant Ninja. Turtles no 2 and no there was no tea. Okay. You're right Teenage Mutant hero Star Wars and Mario. Yeah all together and Batman all out of a hooded sweatshirt and sweatpants. I'm gonna guess those costumes sucked you made yourself a grudge and it's like an Unholy mix of like six pop culture you find anything doesn't sound I need a photo with this thing. Send us a photo of that. Goddamn Transformer. Transformer is aren't even a part of it. I wish it were Holy moly. All right, certainly transformed your kid's life. Apparently also she saw an article about Edward Snowden who's the big whistleblower and the NSA and said that he looked through all the NSA stuff and confirm that we landed on the moon in case you were doubting it which we weren't we weren't Joseph - Jason Sarge says having kids has re-sparked his love for Halloween. It allowing allows him to get them dressed up and go trick-or-treating we have yet to do in sync family costumes. He didn't mean to say they haven't dressed up as the boy band NSYNC But that's all I'm thinking about now. He just meant they haven't done a group family costume. I wish he had really meant we haven't done in sync yet, but it's on the fucking list who's gonna be Lance Bass for now. I am happy to Simply put on my sports coat and NCIS hat. That wasn't that Mark Harmon? He's doing Mark Harmon Mallory McKenzie says, I love Halloween the love being able to celebrate it. Now as an adult, what's happening? Everyone loves Halloween? Yes. We really you're the only person who doesn't like I'm in Australia and was so jealous growing up. We only ever saw. On TV or movies it is finally taken off here in the last few years because America is a disease everything about it is awesome. The costumes the chocolate the scary decorations my husband and I go all Outsourcing our costume pieces and props. We do not do couples or family themes. My husband thinks it's cringe-worthy and I just look forward to drinking at a Halloween party. I like the cut of your jib. I will keep trying to get my I keep trying to get my four-year-old in on the fun. He's finally coming around but still a pain in the ass. He will not wear a costume the thing that drives her bananas is costume shopping. He loves it. He chooses what he wants gets all excited in the lead up talking about what he's going to be and then the little shitty is has an absolute meltdown when it comes time to put it on. None of the usual bribes ever work and last year when I force him into the Stormtrooper costume, he cried non-stop until I took it off. Well, maybe don't make him be an inept villain Stormtroopers are fucking shitty. They stink cool costume, but there's like incompetence there what the French call Lazy incompetent. So what do you want her to know I'm saying, I'm just my I'm just trying to read shirt from Star Trek know. She should be one of the Imperial Guardsmen for the emperor those fucking read the read those things are bad ass. I have a cut I have a couple of a box of kids costumes never worn and Halloween pigeons were just my husband and I are dressed up with a kid who's clearly been crying. Yay. Memories he go Jason Thomas. I was never into Halloween that much as a kid growing up in as a young single adult except for the year. My mom made a costume clown costume for me a custom clown costume for me and my high school colors, but now that I scored myself a rad wife and we have an enthusiastic. Stick daughter were all about dressing up as a themed tree. I we get it Jason you have a goddamn amazing. Manly just fucking save it last year. My daughter was all about Moana. It says he dressed up as Moana that's cultural appropriation. I would you know, what careful. That's Disney approve my wife dressed up as the grandma Village / Village crazy lady and I dressed up as Maui complete with wig and cheap-ass full tattooed body suit straight out of China. Okay lot of problems with it with this really Started off so strong. That was her grandmother. That's a grandma. Yes, Grandma / Village crazy lady that brings me to the point of the comment costumes and bags. He's just a all he wanted to do he's winding up the shit on you costumes and bags of the biggest disappointment in the history of Halloween. They never look like the picture on the bag as they were shoved in the bag months ago and the wrinkled as shit from a sweatshop their plastic nylon vinyl so you can't iron them and no amount of steaming and get the creases out. So they'll never look right same with wigs and bags. I feel like the only way to A decent-looking costume is to make it yourself and never gonna happen unless you're Dana bows day and that ain't decent that then she made she made her she meets some some real memories fair or you spent hundreds on the legit costume. That's the problem, right? You will have to like clearly go for the homemade Aesthetics or go all out. Yes it in between sucks. Yes, that's correct Mike. Thank you very much. I think you literally just proved that the Earth is what is still be fun? Then? He said can we break is the greatest movie of all time? Look I like. When break let's slow your roll. I kill for any one of those masks to wear every single Halloween for the rest of my life. Either that or a legit Cobra Kai. Skeleton costume. Holy shit. You know what you have one. What a great costume idea how someone of the expressive I went as a Daniel son from Karate Kid, once the kind of shit, I college think about when it comes to wearing like a big rubber mask is uncomfortable the all night. I don't give a shit as long as it takes very little effort and it's to wear it too and you wear a suit. Suit and a rubber mask. I have nothing but suits you so sweaty. It's so they're honestly tapping with your voice burping through time. So before that we did the anti-vaccine episode and funky V said that unfortunately in Germany anti-vaxxers are thing to which scares the shit out of her. She said, you know, you can do research within your own family tree to find out if it worked what did people do did they do vaccines or what do they do to prevent disease? Guess what? They didn't a lot of them died young. Can you imagine only one out of three making it to adulthood? It's terrifying. Yeah, I mean, I think we really nailed it on the head when we said anti-vaxxers was bullshit. Yeah, total bullshit. She says we don't have to even go that far back my mother-in-law had Polio as a child and has had a crippled thumb ever since she's an anti anti vaccine for sure. She's using your stupid terminology anti anti-vaxxer. We are luck. We need to belabor it. If you don't anti-vaxxer endangering yourself your children and everyone in your vicinity. I want to believe in the shit out of it, dude. Get to Melissa who on anti-vaccine made this very very poignant comment. Why don't you read it? Sure, Melissa. Lombardi said I like the way you introduce yourself Mike your voice is so calm and relaxing if there's one thing that's literally can agree on it. That's to me. It makes me this is what am I a fucking chat? Everyone can agree on about me is that I am calm and relaxing ever like what a row of every any voice that I've ever heard I have. Mine is the least whoa, its more common or that Elena Gilbert Gottfried's yes. I got a ticket and the other day. I was doing Billy Hills Cop. Like if Ike if I gave you something money in this it was kind of his squeaky voice. You just destroyed. Nobody knows what was happening. He got it on that note. We're going to wrap up this week. I don't even remember what the topic was. Thank you. Well, we had so many comments. Thank you so much for all those comments Kinder perfect.com 20 off Daddy's or on Amazon has we love listeners. We love it all we love it. I love it. I think cheating on our kids that's amazing. My son today saw some napes when people walked by we were in our front stoop and he said hi and they kept going he goes. I love them. He's 3 years old. I love those people cool, man. Chill. Yeah. All right. We'll see you guys next week.

So what is a dad bod? Is it an echo of your former body before you had kids just a lot softer and rounder? Yes. Are people in to dad bods? Yes, mainly dads but also some people who live on the fringes of our society. Once again we have to thank the Internet for delivering us such a beautiful phrase that captures the struggle of trying to keep fit post kid. The term Dad Bod represents a shift in the cultural zeitgeist. Now parents have a choice, either lean into it and let their dad bod flag fly OR stand and fight to keep your body fit. Fighting, the dad bod can mean just eating healthier or working or more or not finishing that second bottle of wine (don't judge me!). Mike and Pete discuss their dad bods in this ultimate guide (editor's note: this is less an ultimate guide and more like directions hastily drawn on a cocktail napkin wadded up in my pocket but that's hard to fit in the title). Viva Dad Bods!

Fellow fiends, welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street. the horror Plan cast with zero credibility, but all of the blood Ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to this mini episode of nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John we are talking dead in the water. We'll be announcing next week's movies on the full-length episode of The Nightmare on Elm Street podcast coming to you on Thursday. But before that we are going to talk about what's keeping your creepy Jam. There's been a bunch of movies coming out and there's another one that's coming out tomorrow so movies. That's what's keeping me creepy as usual. Super easy Also pries, let's start with the grudge still in the theater directed by Nicholas Pash think it's past. I haven't gotten confirmation. My voice right now is the first time I'm hearing it said out loud. I probably heard it elsewhere before I'm fairly certain. It's Nicholas patch director of eyes of my mother and piercing worked on a grudge remake that's finally in the theaters took almost two years to get there. Hmm. We saw it last week. Yeah you were there. Review for the website. Yeah, if you're asking me to take it away, I'll fine. I'll say it first. I didn't like I didn't I didn't hate it. Yeah, it was just kind of the more I think about it. It's just a weird tonal thing. It almost felt like it should have been a series or something you can you imagine this as just like a surprise horror Anthology. Yeah, like it could have been almost like my Flanigan's Hillhouse adaptation. Okay and each episode instead become like a Family that's been affected by this Grudge house. I don't families. That's was there could have been ton. I was gonna say this is where I may be I don't know if I've done this before but well, there's like eight Jewel in movies. So, okay sure. There's a lot of people that have been affected. Also. It's a reiteration you can invent some families. Yeah. It's true the world's your oyster when you want to make a movie, you know what this one set on Mars. I don't know how she got there fuck it. We'll deal with that in the prequel. But for now, we're on Mars. Yeah, there was just a A lot of different storylines that I don't know if they necessarily meshed together. And I don't know I was just I had a hard time getting into it and I think it comes down to tone. So I wanted more creepy hair girl. Yeah, I wanted a lot more creepy hair girl. I'm not really like a big grudge guy. I've got a grudge guy. No, I don't hold. I don't hold a grudge. That was what really set me back with this movie. That was you know, it was a terrible joke. Oh something I About this movie. Let's just let's just steer the conversation that way sure there is a scare at the beginning of this movie. That is just so so in the garbage bag talking about that garbage bag. So if you haven't if you haven't seen the movie it's in like the first like the opening credits, but like there's a woman who's on a phone in Japan. She's scared about the house. She's in and she wants to get home to her family and you know, she's all she's escaped. She's looking back at the house like fuck you house out of here in the garbage bag starts to like inflate like somebody's inside. It breathing it was so good. It's so small. It's so subtle. It is so great. Like it. Honestly the next 45 minutes of the movie. It didn't matter what happened because I was like that garbage bag though. Oh my well, you know talking about you can hear John go on about the garbage bag in the patreon exclusive episode that we recorded over at patreon.com slash Nightmare On Film Street, or you can just read John's review. That's a 1000 fs podcast.com and speaking of movies in the theater will We're checking it under water, which is out this week. I think you're excited for this one. I am yeah, you like underwater. So I'm very excited. You don't strike me as the kind of person who's like underwater whore love that aquatic stuff, but you get excited every time one comes. I know I wouldn't say that. I guess I am a water person. I guess I am have you seen the I'm sure you've seen the abyss right James Cameron movie. Is that the one where he goes and looks at the Titanic? No, that's the Titanic. Titanic that you know, there was a movie that came out was like James Cameron explores the wreckage of the Titanic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that scullion Titanic longer. I don't you I've never seen it Titanic again again. No the abyss it's got Ed Harris and there's like aliens underwater and I like manipulate the water. I feel like I've been dreading it out on the podcast purely because I don't think I've seen it. You got it. We've seen it. I'm sure you've seen it. I don't think I've seen it. Maybe we should do it on the pot. I brought a book. But yeah, I'm very excited for underwater. I have this weird. I don't know if I love Kristen Stewart sure you do. All right, just like in differently like to watch her but do you okay so when somebody's like oh this new movies coming out it's you know, genre may be a little creepy starring Kristen Stewart. You're like, I'll see that you like Kristen Stewart, but I disclosed name a movie that she's been in that I have liked personal shoppers interesting, but I didn't like Like it but I there's the entire Twilight franchise came. You're forgetting seven movies. Uh-huh. Yeah, and the new Charlie's Angels. Uh-huh. Everyone's favorite. Yeah complete. Oh, nevermind Panic Room. Oh, yeah. She's gonna Panic Room. She's a baby but she's kind of a baby. She's so good. She's good. I like the movie a lot. I believe her is Jodie Foster's daughter. I think I've been trying to get that movie in the podcast for a while. Now. That's a fun one. That's a good. Yeah. She just do it with them movies of that guy that always does Jared Leto does he always die I think so. I think so the movies. I'm thinking off the top of my head where Jared Leto dyes are Panic Room and Prefontaine. What? Okay back on topic your water out this week. Can't wait one of us will be writing a review on that. Yep, right. Yep. Yeah and of his podcast this weekend, if you want our opinions on that also will be recording another bonus episode for patreon, which you'll be able to grab at patreon.com slash Nightmare on Elm Street. Another movie came out recently that you don't have to go to the movie theater to see and see if you kinda know you're talking about its kind of three movies. Oh the Stitch to guess series John it's a series cam. That's why it's loose. It's loose in a letterbox is a 270 minute movie. Well, it wasn't on Rotten Tomatoes is a series. Hey, okay, this opens up a larger discussion because technically Twin Peak season 3. The return is listed on letterbox as 118 our movie. I think the new le is a movie. It's not a movie. It's really really it's a series of films that you can watch right now the entire Trilogy of available to you with your monthly subscription. Unless did you say Netflix know maybe because it's on Netflix on Netflix unless you're unless you're in the UK and you have a subscription to whatever BBC Channel this was on BBC has so many channels. I like when they like no, I won't bbc1 Derren Brown dollars are scary thing. On bbc2 today, we've got a dog who yells at a hat. He's also on BBC three now BBC for he owes it a prime minister. Oh boy, um, but Dracula's pretty great the first episode alone. I highly recommend you watch it episode 2 was okay episode 3 kind of fell off the love train for me, but this is where Kim and I differ I already started a fight with you on Twitter. I don't think you've seen it yet. I don't think I have let's bring it in the room talk right now. No. No, I think I just called you a liar The Edge if you don't like that ending. No, it wasn't for me. But part one is the most amazing thing. I've seen this year. Yep, and I know we're over so early in the year. So that's the mean anything. It's the most amazing piece of Television. I have discovered on Netflix. They're saying it drop the gun. No, you're not wrong part. Once open part one is in Reds fucking wonderful. Yeah part two is it's more tractable stuff for me. What's wrong with more Dracula stuff? We're on it's more of an Agatha Christie story sort of a murder mystery who done it. Feel it's okay. It's not bad. It's great. I love this like the Bold choices that this miniseries took. It's so great. So it's like it gets total creativity point. So even though part three I'm not hugely into it totally deviates from the lore and kind of does its own thing, which is really refreshing. Even if I didn't necessarily love it. And the reason I didn't love it. It's just because I think it's too late to introduce so much new stuff just it didn't feel like a tied up loose ends for me. The ending is strange the egg. I will say the ending. In kind of comes and you're surprised about it. We're trying to be vague as possible. I really like some elements of that ending. I think that Alan that ending is very interesting and unique to his character. There is some you know, building blocks that I don't think get us there. But but I love a lot of the choices they make in this movie and and they make some really strange ones and some ones that are just completely wild and new especially Dracula's Powers. They really play around Dracula's Powers. Yeah, they do. Cool shit. But yeah Dracula BBC / Netflix is Dracula. Check it out. I'll be BC fault. Yeah, I already started on letterbox. They usually do an end-of-the-year like hey, these are like my favorite movies. I saw this year which includes our top 10 as always and then like another 20 or 30 movies that I just really enjoy and I just started the 2020 list already and put Dracula on it. Mmm think I'm just going to keep updating that throughout the year. I wonder how skewed it's going to be at the end like you're just getting stuff six hundred movies. Oh God, it's just every movie I saw but yeah, I think that's all caught up for movie watching this week New Mutants trailer dropped again. It's again back on the release schedule. I'm not even sure what the release date is. So I'm sorry. I'm not being totally helpful here, but no mutants are back there happening. As far as I have heard. They're going with the original cut. So all of the changes that were made over the past couple years have been scrapped. Wow. Yeah, so they're going with cut one interesting which I guess Is the director's cut I guess depending who knows this is our Generations Blade Runner by the sounds of it. Unfortunately, it's going to be the beginnings not that it hasn't already happened, but it is sort of like the first big superhero movie. We can point to being horror outside of stuff like bright burn I guess and I'm not necessarily looking for look looking forward to the next five years of superhero movies that I have to I guess see out of obligation. And so whatever you guys are gonna have to Your horror card do that. I mean it's gone. You tell her Joy. I'm sure it's gonna be fine. Yeah, whatever. We've just been waiting a long time. I'm excited. I like scary stuff, which of course brings me to the reason we're here today. We're here to talk about movies that are dead in the water. That's not a bad description. We are here to talk about two movies that we will be discussing on next week's episode of narrative film street that we are calling dead in the water for reasons. That will become very obvious very soon. Yes, this is part 2 episode part 2 of silver screams month all January. We are celebrating black and white horror, its 2020. We're celebrating the 20s and all of the horror films of yesteryear and we're kicking it off this week or next week with psycho and lay diabolique. Yeah, so I'm very certain your familiar is like, oh you've probably definitely seen it. They diabolique so great. So great and arguably the film that inspired Alfred Hitchcock to make psycho the way he made it by all accounts. He did want to make Le diabolique himself, but this French director beat him to it Clouseau Clouseau beat him to it. Yeah come for the murder stay for the creepy bathroom scenes. Oh, there's there are some creepy bathroom seems to both of these movies obviously psycho, but definitely / Le diable. Like if you're unfamiliar with the movie it is available on the Criterion Channel if you want to check it out there. I mean there are you can get it on VOD. We do have a great write-up from our senior contributor Stephen ecole a 1000 FS podcast.com. It's part of her silver screens column, which inspired this entire month's theme just look up late diabolique on the website and check out everything every amazing thing that she has to say about this movie. I can't wait to talk to you guys about it. It's a lot of fun. And before we let you go John I'm going to have to call upon your help. And because we need to advertise the hotline that we keep forgetting to plug 705 409 4 1 5 that's how I remember that yeah, I remember it. And now we all remember it. It's the 705 line line line line line. Haha. Yeah, give us a call at the nightmare on film Street hotline, let us know what your favorite scary movie is plug your own projects or tell us what you thought about The Grudge and underwater what movies you're looking forward to in. 2020 at 7:05 4 0 0 9 4 1 5 705 know if our faith in like oh, yeah, we gotta remember to plug it more because I feel like this is only the second time we've ever plugged it. Yeah, you're probably right but we will catch you next Thursday with the full-length episode of Nightmare on Elm Street until then. I'm Kim. I'm John stay creepy. It appears. You made it out alive just long enough to tell the tale. Of The Nightmare on film Street how help us grow The Horde leave a review on iTunes or wherever you subscribe continue. This week's conversation on Twitter by following @n o FS podcast. And as always more terror can be found lurking on our Set www dot Nightmare On Film Street podcast.com until next week. Stay creepy fiends.

Silver Scream month continues at Nightmare on Film Street, with a whole host of diabolical classics from yesteryear, but first - let's talk about some NEW horror! January has a full slate of terror to feast on with The Grudge, Underwater, The Turning, and Hansel & Gretel hitting the big screen this month! Before sending you off with the two 'Dead in the Water' horror films to watch for next week, your hosts Kim and Jon give their thoughts on The Grudge, BBC/Netflix's Dracula, and cheer about catching Underwater this weekend. LEAVE US A VOICEMAIL Call us and record a voice message - (705) 400 – 9415! Share your thoughts on a recent episode, your hot take, promote your film, or get weird! Your message might just appear on the Nightmare on Film Street Podcast! SUPPORT THE SHOW Nightmare on Film Street is a labor of love - and Terror! We're independently recorded, edited, and produced. Support us on Patreon to unlock frightfully good rewards; like shoutouts on the show and social media, access to our episode archive, producer credits, bonus episodes, and much more!

Hey afterbuzzers, before we move on to your next topic. We just want to say thanks to our sponsor. Anchor. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. Plus there are creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Also anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it could be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many more plus you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership, and it's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor. Um to get started. Hey everybody Welcome To Dance Moms after show here on AfterBuzz TV. Today. We're going to be talking about dancing and water dancing with blood dancing and straitjackets and it makes so much sense because JoJo is back gets good to it. You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now. Let them go. Hey everybody. Welcome back to our Dance Moms after show here on AfterBuzz TV. I am your host Brianna Fitz and I am not alone. Here. We have she is quite the under dog lover. She's a ham a supporter. It is Sarah Durham. Hi guys, it's awesome to be here. I am the underdog supporter Tamara is Out this week, but she will be back in unfortunately. Tony is no longer able to be on the panel who schedule just wouldn't allow it, but maybe he'll be able to get back in here for some gas spots will have to look forward to that later on but let's talk about this episode and what we thought what was your overall thoughts of this episode were you happy about the episode? Did you like the dances where you kind of like I could have used a little more. Yeah. I really loved Lily's dance. I thought that it was amazing. I was not as huge a fan of eliana's Dance. I'm not going to lie the water. Her dance kind of scared me a little bit. Yeah, I really questioned a beyond that. She does come up with some random dances at times but they always come out beautifully and we're gonna get into all of those dances a little bit later in the episode. I personally like I really loved the dancing in the episode but I am a little bit over the Stacy Yolanda drama. I feel like we've just dragging this thing out and over and over again, so that got a little love old for me pretty fast. But like I said guys we're going to talk. About these dances. We're going to talk about this drama between these two moms. We're going to talk about Brady being back and what that's going to do with the team. We also have some amazing news and gossip for you later on and our Diva moment segment. We're going to let you know what the biggest diva of the episode was. So let's talk first about these dances. We had our pyramid, you know, and we found you know, we got the praise from a be over the fact that they finally got their win again and that they could do this without Brady. They could do it without and I'm like on the name of the girl that left but Yolanda's kind of taking all the credit she is and she's saying that they're only winning because her daughter's back and I just don't think that that's the case. I don't think that her daughter's really brought that much to the table in terms of teamwork for sure. And obviously the Stacy Yolanda drama that's going on is hurting the kids in my opinion and I just really wonder if the team would be better off without ulanda her without. Laundromats going to be the big question. I think moving forward but she's taken all this is and this is where we kind of start to see the drama unfold and we'll get into all of Stacy and Alana just a moment, but I really want to talk about the fact that Abby brings Brady in and she also is like, you know what we're bringing JoJo in not to be on the team but in spirit and in person to help coach you guys but also you're going to do her dances and I was wondering is is the JoJo episode that we're getting because Joe just just so popular right now. Is it because she's the only original girl that's willing to come back to the show. I don't know. What were your thoughts on jojo coming in and kind of all the dances being inspired by old dances. She had done to me. It kind of seems like a reach on Abby's part. I think that they might be, you know, really trying to bump up the show with ratings and everything like that. And I think that JoJo's fan base certainly gives them like that extra boost that they I mean even Abby mentioned it throughout the episode like how many fans were there for Jojo and all of that and yeah, I think that it was kind of a reach a little bit in my opinion and I think bringing Brady back was a bit of that as well. Yeah, like I really enjoyed seeing Jojo I love you know, she's has so much character to her and her bows and she's always very true to who she is. She's never once faltered from that and she is doing really great things. You know, she has her tour that's going on I believe right now. She did a whole she babysat Kim Kardashian. But yeah, it was it did feel a little bit like force like okay, we don't know what else to do right now. Let's bring in and another factor in let's bring Brady back because we have nothing else to do right now. Exactly and the other thing about JoJo being back. All of that said is I thought she had one of the most positive like wonderful energies like of anyone there like that Vibe was awesome. But yeah, I agree with you. I did love that. She was like, oh, it's so nice. To be on this side of it you come back. You're not scared of Abby anymore. I laughed out loud at that section was like you let her know girl, but we get the fact that Ileana and Liliana are going to have solos this week. Both Based On A Jojo dance. Liliana is straighten up where she's going to be dancing completely in a straitjacket and Ileana is carry so she will have a knife and be covered in blood. Mmm. So each of them have a different kind of hurdle to overcome. And this just a going again hits the moms against each other even more. So let's talk. Let's get into these Mom's. Okay. So you all under right from the get-go is like, oh like we said the beginning she was like, this is my my daughter's the reason you guys won without her. You guys wouldn't be as good but then right away she's kind of like Taken aback by liliana's solo and gets really upset that. Everyone's talking about Liliana during the practice and the jealousy is very apparent. Yeah, and it's almost like she came in expecting Eliana to you know be exactly where she was when she left before. You know what I mean? Well, I think that's a problem with anybody that comes back to this team is that they kind of feel privileged and they think that they are entitled the things because like oh, well, we've worked With a be before you're just the new people it's that attitude and we saw it was Stacey and Liliana in the very beginning and now we're seeing it with Yolanda not so much with Ileana. She's I don't see her as much of a diva, but her mom definitely your mom is like enough for both of them for sure. Yeah. It is interesting that you mentioned that because we definitely saw that with Stacy early in the beginning that same sense of entitlement and it's things are now working out for them. And so she's getting a little bit quieter besides her spats with Yolanda. Well very quickly the strangulation comes up again the famous strangulation that Yolanda did to Stacey which I feel like we've talked about I guess it's been what two or three weeks but you'll on has been back but it was the name of one of the dances right? We have the cork it just than tired being of this show for the past couple episodes has been this strangulation and not being able to get over it. What do you think because of often on the show? We see the moms? Acting a lot more like the children then the children and the children acting a little bit more mature. So what do you think specifically about this? Do they need to let this go and just move on or is this something that they have Stacy has a right to still be upset about I think that the mom's for the sake of the kids. It's kind of like they said in this episode the moms need to bury the hatchet so to speak and move on because it's starting to affect the kids and we saw that last week and their dances and everything like that. So yeah, I think these moms need to move on and you know, let the past be the past and let their kids move forward and grow. Well the funny part of it for me. Is that how long is this show about on this is season eight and how many times have we seen Abby just persecute children for what their parents have done. So it's like you guys haven't learned at all that you just need to zip it be thankful be grateful and you know through all the faults. Of whatever you think of Abby. She does create great dancers. Yeah, we've seen this we see so many like Maddie and Mackenzie going off, you know, and I know maybe it's not the best way to go across it. But if you're putting your kids in this position, so you obviously know that this is how Abby is so either. I don't know either kind of like sit back and like be there or leave. Yeah have that option you can leave totally and people have I think it's really interesting that all of this is happening. Neighing right now later on in the season one of the beginning of the Season we saw this happen like almost immediately with giannina, you know what I mean? And then her mom learned the lesson her mom had her, you know do the dances that Abby said she needed to do eventually after a couple of times at messing up and now Gene is doing fine. You know what I mean? It's just interesting that these moms aren't learning. I agree with you. Yeah, and I mean it does make for better television to have them be at each other's throats, but I do feel bad. Bad when it gets to the point where the kids are over hearing it and when the parents are bashing the children mmm, because that's not cool. Yeah, like that's how people started this episode. Yeah, like have your beef with each other but leave the kids out of it because they don't want you're an adult wait not okay for you to be yelling at a little child, especially when it's not yours and two they already have so much to focus on so much to deal with like they don't need this and we've seen this in Steps that we've seen it in past seasons affect the kids when the parents can't get along especially because sometimes their friends with each other. So it's just sad to see for me that these kids just have to deal with this that they have to do with their moms being a little psycho much like both of their daughters dances this night, but I agree. I'm sorry just to piggyback off of that. I think that if the moms have like all of these opinions and And feel the need to say everything that they do to their kids. They should be the ones out there dancing. You know what I mean? Yeah, like at a certain point and you know besides Yolanda and Stacey we didn't really have drama from other moms this episode. There was really no other storyline. The main storyline was guys get over it. Yeah or get out. Yeah, which is exactly how I feel get over it get out choose one or the other but let's stop all this right now because I'm done with the storyline. I agree. That's something we are not done with here at AfterBuzz TV. Is you the fans and we are so thankful for you that you come back every week that you watch is that you support us that you help us do what we love you helped us become the ESPN of TV talk and to do even more for us which we would be so grateful for is just a small amount. Give us a thumbs up on YouTube. 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Hi would have fallen like I watched her do I think it was the initial stand up on like the her the first time she stood up and I just thought she was going to wipe out I saw her wavering in the rehearsals and just thought there's no way that she's gonna be able to do this in competition. And then she did Rolls without arms and all of this insane stuff and I was just blown away. Yeah. I thought she did an amazing job. I thought this was such an amazing dance it showcased her. So well she acted really well and it to like her. Her movements and her facial features were just embodiment of somebody that has lost it and yeah just not having your arms and being it. I can't imagine like I just felt bad for her face a little bit because of some of those roles but no, I thought she did a great job and I really enjoyed this dance overall. I think she definitely deserves the place will get to the awards in a second. But the place that she got I do it is a little hard for me to be like they deserve the awards like they deserve the It's based on what I've seen. Yeah, but obviously we haven't seen any of the other teams dancers. Right? Right, right. And then our second dance is Ileana for solos and she is doing carry. So they JoJo pours all the blood on her and she has this knife that she's wielding around. Would you think of Ileana stance? I my first thought actually when the blood got poured on her was oh my God, is she gonna be able to see like because it went straight into her eyes, and I was just like, oh my gosh like this is Really dangerous, but then they cleared it away and it was all good. I thought her dance was really good. It was really pretty she did a great job with what she had but I would kind of agree with maybe not quite as harshly as Abby said there was nothing super special about it. Like it was good. And I think it deserves a place that it got especially compared to Lily's dance. You know what I mean? I was just yeah it was there was no comparison in my opinion. Yeah. It was still a beautiful dance. She did a great job. She looked great her acting was amazing, but it wasn't quite to the caliber of lilies. And so I understand why Lily would win over that. I again, I'm trying to remember it was such a long time ago that like not such a long time ago, I guess but it was a while ago that Ileana was on the show. I'm trying to recall what her dancing was to then and now I would have loved like a throwback. Yeah shot of her dancing because Abby kept And making that comparison throughout the show to you. And I wonder if that's more for you know, the conflict of the show or if it's you know, if it's actually true it would have been nice as an audience member to see that yes, but she she did a beautiful job for what she did it again. Maybe it is still that I have to go back and watch maybe this still to the same level that she was at years going to if that is true that is something to be concerned about because you shouldn't you should be growing as a dancer and as you get older you're expected to do more you're expected to have more little twists and turns to your movements and be able to just kind of blow us away even more and so if you're not progressing that is an issue, and we do need to address it and you do not and not you know, maybe Abby says that a little harsher away like you said, but it is something that she needs to work on if that's the case definitely and then we have our group number the mute a triangle where have Brady and he's being the lead and we are dancing in water. Yes. Oh, yeah. I have a lot of thoughts about that particular dance. My first one was water that's really scary for a dancer, especially just because it is so easy to fall and get seriously injured which was obviously one of the moms huge concerns throughout the whole thing. It was honestly more stressful to watch the mom's dance or to watch the mom's watch the dance the other thing that I noticed about Was Brady was the lead again? And she brought him in for you know the week and I think that after all the preaching she did about being a team and not relying on Brady at kind of just seem to go right back to what she'd been doing before. So I as a mom I would have been frustrated and as a dancer as well in the company, like I would have been very frustrated by that and that's something we didn't quite touch upon but the fact that Brady is back that his mom Stacy Also has an ish Stacy seems of it is she was a lot of Mom's. Yeah, it's a trend but you know, he Abby does this Abby pick somebody that is a little bit of her favorite and she sometimes has multiple favorites but that person usually gets the lead and that's kind of Life. Yeah sure. It's not always fair and I thought that the kids did a great job with what they were given it wasn't I think we came off to huge dances back to back and while the one dance when and the other one did they were so moving and we've had and to have it just be In this like little water pool. Yeah, I would have rather. I'm trying to think of how I would have rather them done it but almost like Just pretend I think the water just wasn't what Abby had envisioned it being. Yeah, I think that they could have focused more on the dance movements had they not been focusing on the water. Right and they could have done way cooler tricks and they could have almost made it seem like they were in water without have like sometimes keeping some stuff to the imagination does help and I think this was a little too on the nose of we're putting you in water pools and now we have to take a step back on. You're doing because you're physically can't do certain things. Right so it wasn't a hundred percent on top four with the dance. I thought it was beautiful for what they had. I thought the kids did a great job for what they have, but I thought it could have been better. I agree. Yeah the dance definitely while the water was like a safety concern and all of that is very much became about like the the gimmick on stage rather than the dancers and focusing on what they were doing. I'm sure everyone in the audience was more afraid that they were going to fall or like focusing on the water splashing around and you know, With the dancers were actually doing which after such heavy like heavily emotional pieces before it. Yeah. It was a bit of a letdown. Yeah, I think it is just one of those things that these kids are so talented and because Abby is so intense with what she does and with how much she expect she almost makes us expect that so it's a little unfair to be that's why I wanted to make it clear that the kids did a great job. Yeah, but I just think that the choreography couldn't be to what the Normal choreography of Abby Lee Miller is with this dance for sure. Yeah, but we got the first place for Liliana solo. We got the third place for you Lana Ileana solo and we got fourth place for the dance. Now again, we haven't seen any of the other dances that are going up against any of these dances. So we can't make a hundred percent accurate depiction of what where we think these people should have placed but based on just I guess the solos do you think those were Fair placement? I think that they were definitely fair placements. Yeah, I think Liliana definitely deserved to win hands down and she got a perfect score only the third time in ALDC history for that to happen. That's amazing. Yeah. She I think she deserved it all it was a incredible performance for her and it was also really nice to see her have that not come back but kind of build up to that moment because she's you know struggled earlier on in the season. So that was very nice to see Anna. To be in our chat just that I just washed it. I was impressed. We also have a bunch of you guys in the chat. Thank you for joining us and Cheyenne Faith Curtis Panda Smith and Debbie Broussard. We love having you guys keep chatting along with us. Keep letting us know your thoughts. We love having more panelist on our panel. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. I just always feel so bad for these kids when they don't get the first place because you just see their faces drop and then you hear them crying in the bathroom afterwards. Yeah happen and it's like they're crying over second place, which is still a Amazing, especially in a competition third place in this case, but you still you still Place. Yeah exams. A lot of people that don't place but there is such a huge weight put on these kids shoulders to get first and of obviously if there are two people compete in the same division the same category 1 is not going to get first, right? So I do feel that when one gets worse when we get the second Abby shouldn't be as hard on that because someone had to lose right exactly so but I mean third It seemed that the judge is also weren't super impressed than with Ileana stance and maybe she does need to up our game but you know, one thing in this industry, you know, we're in the entertainment industry. You're an actress I act as well and dance is much like that. There's a lot of harsh people. There's a lot of people that are like a bee there's a lot of people that don't sugarcoat anything for you and if you can't take it it's not going to be the right industry for you. So you can't just run to the bathroom and be crying every time you get a harsh critic and a He's in so much worse critiques than that. Yeah, that wasn't even a harsh critique coming from a town. Just like you got to up your game, but your acting was great. You looked beautiful. Yeah. That was actually pretty nice coming from Abby was this nice about Liliana got no, but Chloe, I got a perfect score. What do you what you can't do any better than that you can and obviously Abby was locked down by the dance. Hmm But that kind of got overshadowed with Ileana running out in crime. So and another interesting thing that ulanda said in that moment was I don't know if this is the right place for my daughter and and maybe she's right, you know, I mean, that's a choice. You have to make Mom. I keep saying that over and over on the show when I as I watch it, I say to my friends that either watch or don't watch him, but they kind of know it's like you as a parent are choosing, you know to put your child in this environment and you have the choice to also take them out. You're still their parent. Will you maybe the kid wants to stay and maybe the kid doesn't want to stay. But you can't put them in the environment and then be upset with the outcome of the environment, right? They willingly chose it and you know, if that's the choice you make I think that's that's a choice you make and that's totally fine. If if your kid needs to have a different environment and be in there that's totally fine. But it just seems like every week either her or her mom or in the bathroom crying. Yeah. Well as it goes her mom and then she's going to comfort her mom and it's such a Other thoughts about ha ha but I just don't know. I it's it's sad and it's hard and I don't agree with a be a lot of the times with how she says things are how she reacts to certain things but it's at this point like maybe in the first season's that you could feel bad but it's like at this point like everybody and their mom knows how Abby is yeah. It's like she says it all the time. She's she said it today. She she said she's like you did this much she liked how you tune into. I mean you knew that I knew that like, At this point we know like and if you're going to act like you didn't know. Do some research watch the show. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you and then some I feel kind of harsh saying that but it's true and if you don't want to be in it don't be in it exactly and you know, like a bee is a very like nice person. I know a lot of people that have met her and she just is a little tough when it comes to these dances, but she's tough because she has to be right. I mean she's working at such a high level that you have to be, you know that harsh and not sure and I mean it's the pressure of the industry and it's also the pressure that she's on a reality TV show, right? You know being just a sweet Dance Mom instructor doesn't necessarily kind of selfish people don't tune in to watch the drama. So right, you know, it is what it is. But at the end of the day, you know, do we think Ileana will get a it's a little prediction e but let's just jump there for a second do we think Ileana is going to just stick it out and stay with it. I think there's a good chance that she won't but that is just me. There's also a chance that she'll kind of go through the same path that Lily did at the beginning of the season and she may come out stronger in the end. I think that's also a possibility. But okay. Yeah, we'll have to wait and see on that and that's kind of where we left off the episode. Is there anything that we didn't touch on that you wanted to talk about? Um, I don't think so. My main things were Stacey and Yolanda I did. I don't know if we're to Diva moment. Yeah. We're Going to be going into there. So let's just get into it. We're going to go into our Diva moment of the episode. We're going to tell you guys what we thought the biggest diva moment of the episode was and you guys can let us know in the live chat or in the comments. If you're not watching live what you thought it was so what is your Diva moment sir? My diva moment was when Brady came back and Tricia his mom basically told everyone off when she walked in. I just like started like went at it with everyone in it. Immediately. I was just like your back be happy like be grateful now Brady can do his thing and then she went to her. Sometimes she kept the sunglasses on the whole time too. It was just like the most evil thing you could do in my opinion. It was really funny. Okay. Mine's a little bit of a diva moment just because it's partially impartially not but also Point why so Abby has this chair and that she is in because of her surgery and her cancer and she just does the funniest things. The chair but I'm gonna make it my diva moment as well because I think it is a little DVD because she kind of knows at this point how to work the chair when she knows and she grabbed that chair on her Spin and then she just kind of looked around like he's going to grab this chair for me. That was my diva moment because I loved it. I loved watching a be in this chair. Like I know it's a such a sad reason why she's in the chair, but she makes that chair her own and she works that chair. She's working at. Yeah, I agree. It's like so there was one point earlier on in the season when she like dancing in it too and I was like dang. I know Tony who has been on the panel previously said that he loves when Abby leans back and she's just lying down. Yeah and is watching and critiquing critiquing from lying down sex. I mean if you have to be in a cherry might as well figure out ways to make it useful for you, right exactly. So that was our Diva moment again, like I said, go ahead let us know in the comments what your Diva moment of the episode was. Let's get in to some news and Sit so we do have a few things this week one with JoJo being on the episode. So this was her little bit of a return and she did kind of tell 17 that she today it came out that she was going to be on the episode. But with that she does have a brand new music video go that came out and it is featuring the girls from ALDC in it. So check out that video that's really cool of her to do. I think to kind of bring these girls in and make that's always a nice thing. It always is like a Okay, it's all worth it. We get to do the fun stuff as well. They've been through so many experiences together like through the same experiences like as each other. It's cool to include him in that family. Yeah, so go ahead check out JoJo's new music video with all the girls of the ALDC in it. And also we have some news about Savannah who the girl like her name earlier. I'm sorry about that. But that is the girl who did abandon as we put in air quotes the ALDC and it looks like she actually did. Leave and not say anything and she is still dancing. You can see on her Instagram. If you go to it. It's Savannah spelled Sav a NN. Aah Chris ditch. Kri, STI CH. If you go to her Instagram, you can see videos and pictures of her dancing and still competing in competition. So she's still doing her thing. She's just not doing it with the ALDC. And then the last bit we have is that Abby did get her knee replacement surgery. She's talked to Survivor net about how she has been putting off this new surge of about seven to eight years. You know, she obviously went through her other surgery earlier this year for her spine, but she now felt better enough that she wanted to get this done. So she did get it done. You can see on her Instagram a little video. She made while at the hospital just in true Abby fashion. She said it was always one episode one more season another special. We have Nationals and she said that the time has come and hopefully my doctor is not going to just put another knee and maybe a robotic supersonic. So I hope you got your supersonic me out because that would be pretty awesome just crossed. So yeah, so that is the news and gossip we had for you guys today. I will probably be bringing you more news and gossip every week as we do the show. Let's get into our predictions for next week's episode. I always like to take this time as the music's going to like really think about what you think is gonna happen. I feel like I'm so in the in the immediate episode and to think about it. So what are your predictions? That's what are we going to see next week? Well, I think the Brady's going to stay. I don't think there's any question that he won't be there. I think he's probably there for good now and I also think that the Stacy and Yolanda drama is going to come to a head tomorrow or next week in my Opinion. I don't think that they can have that storyline going for too much longer. As you said earlier. Yeah, I agree with you. I think Brady's definitely back. I do think that Abby will not say that Brady is the reason they lost she will not admit to that and I'm not singing because I don't think he is the reason they lost but she I'm assuming the other moms will mmm the wrongs. He's like, well, he's the other Factor we won last week without him and now he's back and we lost she'll blame it on something. I'm not sure what yet, but she lay on something and I think you know we saw in the previews the that something huge. It was Sarah's mom that she kind of yells a b then we hit the police sighs. I don't know if those are two are really correlated. I think that you're right Yolanda and Stacy might come to the all-out be fed on maybe that's why the police were called. These have not sure I do think that they'll keep you Londa around at least for a little bit because she is a little drama and the show does not exist without the drama. Yeah, and it is she does seem to bring in the most drama for the most people like so You'll find out where the drama all is. What else is going to happen with this team with these girls with these moms with a be in future episodes. 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I like to just kind of take a break every now and then take a week where we just chill out and go a little bit casual. So this is am a number 61. There's no title for it. I don't know we're gonna talk about I got a couple of notes written down because I launch that new am a feature on I'm covid website, which is Ama. I dot I am Clovis.com where you guys can leave me your questions. You're asking me anything questions that I'll answer here for you. So I got a few really good ones from there. Then I grabbed a couple of them that people wrote down. I just responded to people directly but then some of these I grabbed because I think they're really great really valuable to talk about here on this episode. We're going to do that. So like I said, like I told you guys in the in the live groups if your members of I'm Clovis or members of the covid Katha me. I got nothing prepped for you tonight. So this is your episode Clovis is growing very very quickly. Those of you that don't know me. My name is Justin Alton. I am the CEO founder of Clovis building a healthy life together. But if you're here by now, you probably know who I am or have probably consumed some of my content or maybe M part of one of my groups are something awesome cool. So let's say what's up to everybody Kayla was up Tammy Laura Christine Sally Judy Jessica. Awesome. So, um, you know, they don't like what I'm on the computer for some reason. It's it doesn't Display the same way when I do a Facebook live from the computer trying to figure that out. Not really quite sure why that is but anyway, it's totally cool a couple of pieces of housekeeping. If you're a member of I am Clovis if you are an I am Clovis member, I launched the first-ever Google Hangout last night and it was a huge success and I'm going to do it again, but there is a change to how I'm going to do things. So I initially allowed 12 people that were members of I'm Clovis decided to sign up for this 12. Did sign up six people showed up and it could not have gone better that six people showed up. That was a really good thing. I really think a 12-person room would be next to impossible to manage people wouldn't have the amount of time. It takes to really go deep on some of these issues. So I was getting some really really good questions some really really good details as to the daily lives what these people daily lives look like and I was able to really really go deep and talk about things and then as the conversation progresses, Has a new detail might pop up that that person didn't know that they should have given me early on. I'm like, oh wait a second light bulb moment and then we could adjust so I really had time to go deep with all the people who were in The Google Hangout last night. So going forward. I'm probably going to cap those Google Hangouts at six people. I think that's why I'm going to do it six was great. It was really manageable. So I'm probably gonna cap it at 6 and at the Google sign up and all that will go up next month. I'll plan a date for that. But you guys know what it is and then sign, Quickly because there's only gonna be six spots this time. So it's definitely going to fill up and it's going to be awesome. But I really really enjoyed it another piece of housekeeping. If you guys haven't heard this from the video I did earlier today. I did this video in I am Clovis. So if you're in Clovis cata me, not an eye on Clovis, you probably didn't see this live video this morning, but I am going to be launching a new podcast series not a new podcast just a new podcast Series. So if you subscribe to the perfect paleo podcast on iTunes or Stitcher or overcast or Spotify. Or whatever, you know that I tend to do just Justin episodes. I have guest interviews. I just launched a badass episode with the one and only Abel James the fat burning man that's on the perfect video podcast from their Clovis dot show / able to check that out covid Stock Show / Abel a bpel. So I do the just Justin episodes. I do the guest interviews. I do the amas. I do the in case you missed it episodes. And now I'm going to be launching an entire new podcast series or segment. I guess you could call it and that's gonna be nothing but The Moniz from you my club is client is going to feature you guys and feature your stories. I think it's going to be a really powerful way to help people understand what makes Clovis different what makes Clovis stand out from other programs the customization aspect the tweaks and changes that I make all the information that I gather from you what makes it so different from every other yo-yo roller coaster diet you've ever tried right? I think the best way to get that information out there is through you know, firsthand client testimonies people that have been with covid. For three months or six months or nine months or a year or whatever. I think that's gonna be really really powerful. So if you want to be involved in that if you are and I'm covid member and you want to tell your story if you have a significant transformation story to tell just email me Justin at I am Clovis.com email me. Let me know that you want to be a part of that new podcast series and I'm going to work on scheduling everybody giving you, you know further instructions. I really want to do a lot of these and I'll do 300 mm if you guys want to do it, right so I'm gonna do as many of these as possible. Maybe maybe I'll release like one a week or something like that and just make that a normal thing. We're going to do like one client story a week or something. So let me know if you're interested in that Justin at I am covid.com what else we got going on in the comments. Annika was up. That was an awesome episode. It was so different hearing men talk about subjects other than Sports. Yes. Lovely. That's true. I am not like most men in that regard. I really don't care that much about sports like Really? Not much. It's fun. I've always talked to my dad about this the other night. It's like yeah, I like the Patriots. I grew up as a Patriots fan. Like I watched the Super Bowl when I was in Thailand, but like if they lose my day isn't ruined right on early. No, I don't I don't get guys like that. I can't connect on that level. You're not on the team. You're not an athlete. You're not throwing the passes. You don't even know Tom Brady never even met the dude. Chill out a little bit. Right? What else you got? Yeah the table conversation. I had a feeling I was going to go that way for those for those of you that don't know it's very we don't even talk about nutrition at all. I don't think we talk about nutrition like once in the whole thing. We might like mention it mention it as like a You know stepping stone for overall healthy. I think I talked about the life after success episode and how health is just a prereq is prerequisite for the rest of your life. Right? But really it's just it's like you're sitting at a kitchen table with like I am right now sitting at my kitchen table in my house. It's like you're sitting at the kitchen table with able and I by the way, you can totally tell that I'm a dude because when I go live from this angle, I'm like, oh this is my bar. Like there's all my alcohol and a glow bright because every dude has a globe And I still have a pumpkin for Halloween that I have all my alcohol paraphernalia. Oh and this animal behind me that I shot. Welcome to my house everybody. I love these kind of casual a maze. All right. So does anybody have any questions you guys want to jump into questions? You want me to give you some of these questions that were submitted via the new am a website you talked about five by five nine episode. What kind of workouts are those? Okay. The best thing for you to do right now is just Google or go to Strong Lift five by five Strong Lift five by five is a power lifting protocol. That sounds scary to some people. It's really not scary. These big compound powerlifting moves are about the best thing you can do for overall health strongness 5x5 kind of meet you where you're at and starts very slow and then the weight goes up progressively. It's a progressive resistance training powerlifting program. So go to strongness 5x5 like 5x5.com. I think it's just strong this five by five. Dot-com then go there check it out. You can email me if you want to talk about it, but it's just a power lifting protocol. It's probably the best combination of strength and physique that I have ever found. So it tends to be either like you're going to be just a power lifter and try to lift as much as humanly possible. The biggest most jacked dudes in the world aren't necessarily the strongest guys in the world. Like I could show you a 300-pound fat guy that could outlift chiseled body builder any day of the week, you know, so there's kind of no, that's what I mean by five by five. It's kind of In between of like gaining strength functional strength, which will improve your life and building muscle and getting that kind of aesthetic, you know, lean physique that a lot of people are after right a lot of women in particular are just terrified of lifting weights for some reason and it's foolish. I don't want to get bulky. You're not going to get bulky. Okay, it's very difficult to get bulky very difficult. Okay. It's like much harder than you think it is. You're not going to lift your six pound weights, you know 15 times and get bulky. It's just not going to happen. So strong this far. Five one of my favorite lifting Protocols of all time. Probably my favorite all around weightlifting protocol. So check it out. What else we got? I like power lifting. Yes me to what's up Eric? How you doing? Man? Shaun's here Brett's here. Eric's here Christine. Yes strongest wind by five also has an app the app is wonderful download the app pay for the pro version. Lifetime is like $9.99 and it's amazing tracks your head tracks your lips for you tells you how much to go up by gives you warm up sets. You have an additional accessory moves, but you can add but that's all part of the the pro feature. It backs it up to a cloud as well. So you never leave you lose your phone like you never lose your workouts or anything. It's a really really great right? Well backups. The table episode. I know we've been told we need to drink a certain amount of water. What ratio do you think is necessary? Yes. This is one of those things that there's not a lot of scientific data for why the the general consensus of how much water to drink is there so really in recent years, it's been revealed that most of your hydration is actually regulated by electrolytes. So a lot of times when people are dehydrated, it's actually it's actually an electrolyte deficiency this you guys know this is I'm a huge huge huge. I scream it from the rooftops how much you need to be taking salt shots like Redmond sea salt. I supplement regimen sea salt everyday people have asked me this recently some clients that are like, hey, I'm multiple weeks in do I still need to be doing salt shots Yeah a hundred percent. This all shots are every day. I start every single day with Redmond sea salt, right? This is really really really important. And if you guys want to go deeper on this and not just hear from me, you need to check out the book the salt fix the salt fixed. Lives into the science dives into all the nonsense BS science that doesn't exist saying that hypertension is caused by sodium, right? Um, it's just nonsense but still the AHA doesn't change the recommendations the amount of sodium they tell you to take in put you at a very high risk of cardiac event. But anyway, long story short the hydration issue. It's mostly electrolytes that regulate your hydration. So the age-old recommendation is get half your body weight in ounces. So let's just say you're a 200-pound person you probably we want to drink a minimum of 100 ounces of water in a day that said It might not be completely necessary. I mean, it's pretty it's not gonna hurt you. It's probably a good way to cover all your bases to get half your weight half your body weight in ounces. But another thing that people do I see this in the bodybuilding World a lot and it's a little frustrating is they think that they want their urine to be clear. They're like, oh if my pee is clear, I'm super super hydrated. Well your over-hydrated at that point and you're flushing electrolytes from your system. So you actually dehydrating yourself. So to give an example if you were to drink like a couple gallons, Water and you had zero electrolytes in your system. You could kill yourself you could actually die from drinking water without electrolytes. Right? So it's kind of interesting if you're just hyper loading water hyper loading water and sometimes bodybuilders to do this because they're trying to cut weight or whatever in the week before League leading up to a competition or whatever then they're going to stop water and take at least 24 hours prior to the competition. There's a lot of things there. I do with Fighters sometimes the where my Fighters don't really have to do it because they cut weight so well, but anyway long story short, yeah. Half your body weight in ounces seems to be the general consensus of like a minimum for water intake and I'm totally cool with that just don't fall into any of the silly stuff like you want your urine to be clear any of that. You really don't need to do that. But electrolytes are every bit as important as water every single bit not 60/40 not 3070 like literally 50/50. You need to be getting electrolytes everyday and the vast vast vast majority of human beings are not doing that. They think They're hydrated, but they acted they think they're dehydrated but they're actually dealing with an electrolyte deficiency. I take salt every day and my doctor took me off my blood pressure meds. That is from Judy. I'm gonna read that again. I'd take salt every day and my doctor took me off of my blood pressure meds. There's great AMA that I did on this called blood pressure Salt and sex think it's AMA. I don't know the number so don't quote me, but go to Clovis not show just search for blood pressure and you can find that episode. All right. So you guys think of some questions and hit me here. Remember while I'm here you want to take full advantage of this? You don't want me to sign off this Facebook live and how do you guys Like oh man. There's that question. I wanted to ask him right? So I'm going to read you a couple of these. So one of them that I thought was really cool that we can go over is a woman wrote to me and here I can just read it to you. Actually What specifically should I have my doctor order in a hormone panel to get an idea of where I am. So this is somebody that's just two weeks into the Clovis protocol and they're just like hey, I am a huge fan of blood work. I do blood work all the time. I do quarterly blood work if something is weird or wonky. I'll do a ditional blood work if I feel like I Ed to that's really where all the answers lie right bloodwork urine on these things like it's best to quantify these things. So wonderful, she's two weeks in wants to do a hormone panel, which is fantastic. So a really good company that does is Wellness FX. I think has a woman's health panel. The one that I went to that I used for years prior to now that I have a really good functional medicine medical medical doctor here in town. He orders my blood work for me, but prior to that I would use Spectra cell and with Spectra cell I I would just walk into any lab test now and get the blood draw there. So you can check out spectres LSP. ECT are a c e LL think that they have a full hormone panel. I'm pretty sure Wellness FX has like a full-blown female female hormone panel and there's there's so many things that you want to test that aren't going to happen. Like you go to your normal Doc and say like hey, can you test my hormones? They might test like, you know, TSH and vitamin D or do like a Thyroid panel, that's not complete or test your estrogen and your testosterone right? Like you're really going to want to test you want testosterone. You want estradiol you want progesterone. You want FSH you want your LH or luteinizing hormone. You want TSH you want free T3. You want reverse T3. You watch t for you want free T4. I always recommend vitamin D. You want to know what your vitamin D levels are inflammation is an important one. I like people to test. The protein and then you just get like a like a comprehensive metabolic panel, which will actually test you for things like electrolytes. It's going to test like your fluid balance kidney function liver function all those things. So someone should take what I just said and turn it into a list or maybe I'll do that in the show notes. But yeah, you really want to get a comprehensive comprehensive panel. This has been happening Non-Stop and Clovis. It's really driving me nuts and I want to be clear here. This is not you guys as fault. It's not my clients fault. It's mainstream's fault. Right people keep sending me their cholesterol panels and they call them a cholesterol panel and they send it to me and it's like HDL total LDL total non HDL total total cholesterol. And that's it. And they're like, my doctor wants to put me on a Statin like look my cholesterol is 209 or whatever. My doctor wants to put me on a Statin and I have to break the news to them of like this was a useless blood test. There was no reason for you to do this. I can't do anything with this and many of you guys in Clovis know this that I have a genetic malfunction that my body doesn't clear LDL particles. Well those receptors. I just don't clear cholesterol particles the way that I need to that's a genetic defect right? There's something weird going on. Genetics now as a result because of sky sky high LDL particle numbers. I have literally sat in the same room. I've been analyzed. I have worked one-on-one and talk to some of the best lipid ologist in the country. Now these lipid ologists are exactly what sounds like lipids that's right. Their cholesterol experts odds. Are your doctor is not a lipid ologist if your doctor orders you a cholesterol test, and it does not include particle numbers. You should not be working with that doctor for cholesterol. Now. I've been knowing the past this a fire your doctor get a new doctor this and that if you want to know about cholesterol go to a lipid ologist, right? It's like asking a normal MD for nutrition advice when they're not a nutritionist, right? If your doctor says we're going to test your cholesterol and they get you a cholesterol panel that does not include particle number. They never need to give you another word of advice about cholesterol ever again because Have exposed themselves as clueless on that particular topic. Does that make sense? So people keep sending these cholesterol panels one. I'm not a doctor. So I can't give medical advice. Not a doctor. I don't pretend to be a doctor. I've never said I'm a doctor. None of what I say has ever or will ever be medical advice. Okay, but people send me these cholesterol panels from these doctors. And I can't even give them a word of advice about it. I just can't it doesn't make any sense that there's no reason that dr. Wasted your money even that's probably covered by Insurance. You probably had to pay a little bit of a copay or money or whatever right? But that's the test that's covered by insurance. They order it and simply waste your money. So this is another thing that I find in the functional medicine versus conventional medicine where I'm just like everybody thinks they're saving money because they have insurance and all my co play it's coming out of your paycheck every week you're paying Nonsense, if you really to were to compare apples to apples particularly in effectiveness of treatment. I really think you're going to save money just having like a catastrophic plan in case you get hit by a bus and then paying out of pocket for like a functional medicine doctor this absolutely critical. I think that I have a question coming up here about pregnancy where I talk about it. I think it's a really important this functional medicine thing. What else we got? Oh Eric. Amen. Number 42 blood pressure Salt and sex. Awesome. What's your take on those that say we don't need more than 40 grams. Protein because any protein that came home? I'm going to read this because it's so foolish. I know it's not you saying Amy so I'm not calling you foolish, but just I'm explain this new second. What's your take on those that say we don't need more than 40 grams protein because any protein that can't be used by muscles and tissues is converted into glucose in the liver by gluconeogenesis. This is a person that doesn't fully understand gluconeogenesis. Right? This is one of those words in the keto community that people latch onto and they like to throw it you so they can Sound like they know what they're talking about. Okay, so gluconeogenesis. You have to remember the body doesn't do anything unless it's basically triggered or told to do so, right. So this is where like fasting comes in why is fasting so wonderful, why does fasting up here to be a wonder drug for just about everything well because you're sending a signal to the body right? Once your digestive system is says, okay, we don't have to focus on this anymore. Wow, we haven't eaten in this much time. We don't have to focus on this anymore or we need We need amino acids. So we're going to go out and we're going to eat. Some of our own cells are going to metabolize some of our own proteins, etc. Etc. Right. So gluconeogenesis. I'll give you a great example of this. I did a hundred and nine hour fast recently and well in the summertime so months ago now and I broke the a hundred nine hour faster for getting in a car accident bubble. Ah, but the test that I did was I wanted to show people kind of how gluconeogenesis works gluconeogenesis works when there's a demand on the body. Okay, so generally speaking Gang if the body needs glucose then if it needs literally requires glucose, that means something glycolytic is happening. Right? So if I'm doing an all-out Sprint, or I'm fighting MMA or I'm doing a Max effort Olympic lifts like a snatch or a CrossFit water or something like that, right that requires glucose that's called the glycolytic activity meaning that it burns glycogen. So we'll strip glycogen from the muscles. It'll put free-floating glucose into the bloodstream that can then be used by the cells to create a EP right but it does this one atom and is placed on it. So there's this weird thing that people do in the keto world where they're like, if you eat a bunch of protein the body is just going to convert it into glucose and it's going to be stored as fat or something the body's not going to take protein convert it into glucose spit it into your bloodstream unless the body is saying I need glucose. Holy crap. I need glucose right now the best way to explain this right this This is going to be the most dumbed down version of this ever write the most dumbed-down version that I probably ever said this I'm probably gonna get lambasted by people who think they know biochemistry or whatever, but I'm making this as simple as possible for you guys to understand if you eat mostly protein, your body is going to look like mostly protein C on saying if you eat mostly fat and carbohydrates, your body is going to look like fat and carbohydrates. Okay so fat. That carbohydrates are energy. That's why I think of protein as protein as its own macronutrient and energy as the second documentary fat and glucose. These can be stored as triglycerides, right? The combination of the two is triglycerides. So gluconeogenesis happens when there's a demand placed on the body. So when I did this fast, I wanted to prove this to people. So while I was fasting every single day, I did some type of intense workout like really intense workout with zero carbohydrates in my system actually zero nutrients whatsoever in my system causing the body. Rely on itself. So the first time I tested this I was over 24 hours passed at that point which mean I'd already depleted liver glycogen and all those things because I'm low carb anyway, right? So I went change your Jutsu tested blood glucose before Jiu-Jitsu test the blood glucose after Jiu-Jitsu with really hard rolling for those who don't know rolling. I was literally live action fighting for an hour, right? So the blood glucose level on the back end of that workout was much much higher. Well, how do you explain that? My blood glucose just went off the charts through the roof. Oof right, but I didn't take in any carbohydrates. I didn't take any protein. I didn't eat anything when there is a demand placed for glucose. The body will create glucose that is what gluconeogenesis is for now gluconeogenesis generally occurs using the amino acids inside of your own body like glycogen. Let's say glycogen is stored in the muscles glycogen is stored in your liver cells average person can store, you know, three or four hundred grams and their muscles and their skeletal muscle. And average person can store probably 62 way maximum hundred grams of glycogen in the liver, right? That's what glycogen is for glycogen sits in your body. It's stored there for a reason for the process of gluconeogenesis. Right? So the idea that the body is just going to start converting protein into glucose for no apparent reason particularly in an average sedentary person who's glycogen levels are never depleted. Why would the body needs to do that, right? Right, so gluconeogenesis happens with the demand placed on the body and a great example of this is if you got you go check out the keto gains guys the word the the website is Quito KET ogier ins so keto games is a great example, they follow more of like a, you know, 30% protein 30 percent daily protein approach with the keto communities like you got to be 20 grand 20 percent daily calories from protein or less or you're going to deal with gluconeogenesis like these bodybuilder guys. They're literally bodybuilding on a keto diet. Right and they're all for high protein and they're still burn and fat like crazy. It doesn't knock them out of ketosis. It's just these people that chase ketones right when you chase Quito you want to be in deep ketosis deep ketosis protein will knock you out of deep ketosis. Yes sure it can but you don't need to be in deep ketosis all the time to burn fat. That's the thing. There's so many misconceptions conceptions around Quito. So I get driven crazy when people are peeing on keto sticks and mad because they're not in deep ketosis or something, right? All right, what else we got? What about Elderberry syrup recommendations was curious if I make my own and use monk fruit sugar? Does it become syrupy like regular sugar? I have no idea. I've never used Elderberry for anything other than immune system boosting get over a cold anything baking or homemade anything. I'm rarely the guy to ask about that. Maybe somebody in the academy or something can answer you but um Elderberry syrup. I have some of the cabin and I just use it like if I feel a cold coming on or something, but I've never mixed it with monk fruit or I've never tried any of that. So I don't know Zig if you soaked almonds and remove the skin and then put them in the dehydrator to dry out. Well enough lectins be removed to eat. Yeah, absolutely. That's the you probably don't even need the hydrate them most of the lectins and almonds exist in the skin. That's why you'll see like the Clovis proof Foods list. I recommend Barney brand almond butter. Now people get confused. They see that I recommend Barney brand almond butter and they'll go run out and buy whatever almond butter. I'm like no I told you a specific brand because Barney's the only brand I've found that actually uses blanched. Almonds, so the idea of soaking and stripping the skin is like a blanched almond right? You can dehydrate them to I guess if you want to but yeah, I mean just the the soaking and removing the Skins is probably enough to get rid of the lectins. You asked about lectins quite a bit Zig you got a lot of lectins in your life man. So the thing that I'll say is I would pick I just pick other nuts, you know, like I love pecans. I love walnuts. I love macadamia nuts. They all taste better to me than almonds do anyway. So, um, you know, anyway, I like dumb. Down. Yeah, so I hope I hope you like that explanation of yeah gluconeogenesis, but it's really when someone's trying to lose fat. It simply doesn't make sense to tell them to eat just endless amounts of fat and limit their protein intake if that's the thing. I've been screaming from the rooftops for over a year that Clovis is not Kido. If you're trying to get rid of body fat, it doesn't make sense to drink a bunch of fat through a straw five times a day and limit your protein intake. Take it simply doesn't make sense. Okay. Jackie Smith 10 points for the Stellar use of lambasted lambaste stood by me not to say it. Now. I can't say it right best drinks when fasting water coffee green tea there really is no better best. I guess you want to limit it be careful with tease because some teas aren't listed correctly and they'll have ingredients that you don't want in them. But for me, it's water black coffee only that's it. Now this depends like if you are dealing with significant leaky gut issues or something like that. I could do something like a bone broth fast with you. But again depends on the individual but if we're just talking about liquids, I mean you really want to keep it to water maybe black coffee some people even argue that you shouldn't do black coffee in a fast. I'm not in that camp. I haven't found the research to really tell me that I think black coffee actually helps a fast in terms of autophagy and things like that some of the anti-aging effects and some of the fat loss effects as well. I think black coffees great. So pretty much water black coffee, not a huge T guy so I don't know all that much people ask me about tea. Sometimes. I don't know all that much about it. There's certainties I'll use for certain things but not a real big T guy my more black coffee guy, but green teas fine black tea is fine. Just just don't put any sweeteners or creamer in these things or that's what drives me crazy is people like his coffee. Okay and a fast I say, yes, and then they add cream and sugar to it. I'm like, well that's not coffee. Now is it hmm? Come on now write anything like that will break your fast. So keep that in mind and check the ingredients always check the ingredients aunties because especially these tees there's a lot of like herbal blend teas that stick all sorts of stuff in the ingredients. Got to be really careful. Barney makes dried almond butter powder. That's pretty cool. I did not know that lovely Details Matter. Yes Details Matter. I make a t-shirt says Details Matter. It's gonna be awesome. All right, Alyssa, we make our own to and use local raw, honey. Love it for immune support just not would you recommend using monk fruit instead of Honey? Is that what you were asking Tiffany? Well, so here's the thing. That's actually another question that I was going to touch on here is somebody wrote in to the AMA section. So I'm allergies going nuts today and asked me about Honey other benefits to raw honey. Yeah, I guess so some people swear by it for allergies actually, some people think it's good for sleep. But really at the end of the day when they're talking about the benefits of it like raw honey can help asleep really and that's just basically giving a good little dose of glucose for your brain to run off of while you're sleeping while you're fasting so that can help guys like Dave asprey have talked about that for a long time of like a little bit of honey raw, honey and a little bit of like MCT oil before bed helping with deep sleep. I don't know. Maybe it does maybe doesn't probably anecdotally try it yourself. Now if you're talking about Elderberry, like if you're mixing Elderberry syrup and raw, honey, the thing you got to think about is if you're using it the way I think you're using it. The the dose is probably very very small but raw honey is no joke. I mean one tablespoon is 16 grams of straight sugar, right? So that's this is the issue running to it's like somebody saying wine wine has Rivera Resveratrol. It's good for you. No, that's not correct. You're not correct. Stop saying that you need to drink about three hundred bottles of wine a day to get like even a miniscule dose of Resveratrol. So that's the tricky thing with raw. Honey is like Israel, honey. Good for you. Well that depends I mean cause for every tablespoon you take in you're getting 16 grams of sugar. So it depends on the rest of your diet if you have wholeheartedly like Stone Cold Clovis like doing really well and you're like, hey, I find that like a half T 1/2 tablespoon of honey, and you know, Spoon of MCT before bed helps me sleep. Okay, then you're looking at about 8 grams of sugar and that's it. Right? Okay, if it helps you sleep cool go for it. I have no problem with that. But the issue is when it's like I was wrong honey good for kids and then you're just making desserts with raw, honey and all the time and Adam raw honey to their food and they're eating carbohydrates at school all day. Anyway that you don't even see and you're just adding sugar sugar sugar sugar. So raw honey is a slippery slope. It's a sticky slope. See what I did there but really rouhani's a slippery slope because it's just it's so easy to just go overboard on sugar. It's ridiculous. So the risk versus reward the trade-off, right? What else we got? Wait, okay. So I see I'm confused by this guy's I'm not sure what you guys are talking about to make your own seat, like like syrup for like pancakes you talk about making syrup for pancakes because I'm probably not gonna be a fan of that because it's going to take require a ton of honey. And yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure. Is that what you're saying? I don't know. Maybe maybe you're talking about honey. And and honey is usually paired with ridiculously high carbohydrate Foods, even if it is like paleo pancakes or paleo waffles or whatever. So you're talking about like straight-up syrup syrup. That's probably not something I'm going to recommend to you for usual use, you know, Austin we know you eat pretty much the same foods every day care to share what a typical breakfast lunch and dinner looks like in Justin's world and what has changed during the mass gains protocol a ton has changed during mass gains. So again, I Of this is tricky. I will share this information with you. I actually have it written down because while I have a question written down somebody asked me about my grocery list, so I will share that with you. It's much different from Mass games. The biggest thing is I'm taking in very little fat right now. Probably 40% of my daily caloric intake is coming from fat and I'm taking in like over 20 percent of my daily intake is coming from carbohydrates and a boatload of protein a ton of protein right now with this Mass gains thing. So I'm not saying that's what You should do keep in mind even my day to day I take in less fat less dietary fat than I tell clients do because I have a genetic cholesterol defect right? So that's just me. I've tested my genetics. I've done the blood work. I've seen the best of Pathologists in the country. I understand how my body works. I know what skyrockets my LDL particle number. So I actually eat more protein than most of you do in terms of percentages of calories per day, right? So I eat a lot more protein than the average Joe usually quite low carbohydrate. Me 10% of my daily caloric intake is carbohydrate and fat usually somewhere around 50, maybe 55 percent of my daily caloric intake now Mass gains. That's completely different. I'm not going to tell you straight up Mass gains Maca ratios because this is a program that I'm going to sell but yeah things have changed for but all right. So let me walk you through a typical day not mass gains its Math Games is nuts. I've already eaten a pound of salmon. I've eaten a venison backstrap. I mean I've eaten so much food today. It's ridiculous multiple protein shakes. I've already happened. I've eaten scrambled eggs. I've eaten canned salmon. On top of the big fillet a salmon that I've had and I still have more food to eat when I get done with this live. So mass games whole different ballgame whole different ball game. But my average day is usually like five eggs usually about five eggs a day. So breakfast breakfast is usually paleo powder and coffee with some MCT oil and then I'll have like five eggs with sauerkraut bunch of kale frozen kale that I sought a so eggs kale sauerkraut and then maybe half an avocado. And then at some point I'm going to have grass fed ground beef for sure either grass-fed ground beef or venison ground venison. I'll eat grass fed beef and Venison and a boatload of broccoli usually full bag 10 to 12 ounces of broccoli in one sitting and I'll usually have more of that later. But again Austin remember like I know you in depth now because awesome as part of the Google Hangout last night, you don't want to do what I do, right? This is where it gets tricky is. I'm very boring. I'm very very boring. It's literally like the same thing every day. So here I actually wrote down most of the groceries that I buy so I could share with that person that asked me they were they said they were searching for my personal grocery list in the covid academy. So literally it's beef and venison. Those are Staples. I get past red Ray's eggs. I get wild caught salmon bunch of frozen veggies. That's everything from my veggies are always Frozen. That's everything from organic kale. Broccoli. Sweet potatoes. Now that I'm doing Mass gains Swiss chard, sometimes I get spinach sometimes I get beat. Sometimes I get Brussels spouts just a boatload of frozen vegetables. Is but then really the only things I buy our the egg salmon avocado oil I get avocados. I always get sauerkraut I guess some cans of wild. Tuna MCT oil I splurge on very expensive extra virgin olive oil. It's like 30 bucks a bottle super dark chocolate. Usually 95% Wicked dark chocolate from Tazza. Occasionally. I will get pecans walnuts or macadamia nuts, but that's just occasionally and I get coconut aminos. I put coconut aminos and sea salt on everything. That's literally like I have a subscription for coffee beans. I use paleo powder I buy raw cacao like Rob powdered cacao and I like add it to my paleo powder and coffee or sometimes I'll use a little bit of monk fruit and make like a little hot cocoa just with raw cacao powder and like a few drops of monk fruit. I mean, that's really it like like my entire life is literally beef venison eggs fish and vegetables. That's it. Like I'm not kidding. That's it. My sister wasn't alive video with us. One of them has a camera which one she's like. He literally it's the same for five foods every single day every single day. That's it. I mean sometimes the biggest the biggest changes I have are probably veggies. Sometimes it's Swiss chard. Sometimes it's kale. Sometimes it's broccoli. I'd like cauliflower. Sometimes I get multicolored cauliflower is really cool. I'll do Beats. But again, these are all Frozen just bagged and Frozen because it's super convenient when I get fresh produce. I let it go bad and Frozen produce produce is usually organic Frozen produce is fresher. Than the produce that you're getting in the produce section that's deemed fresh this thing. This stuff has been on a truck ship from whatever state it came from in the wide open air through multiple different climates as its passing through States over the past three weeks before you get your hands on the asparagus right think about it that way so everything I do is frozen. I'm super super boring. Super Warren what else we got? What kind of bacon do you like sugar free grass-fed? Well now you're getting confused because Bacon's not grab Bacon's generally speaking bacon is pork. Be pastured pork and you just want to get hormone-free non-GMO, you know, not not too great. I don't eat bacon every day. So I mean it's very very rare that I buy bacon and the reason I don't buy bacon because the pain in the ass to cook. I don't like dealing with the grease. I don't like stuff popping everywhere. I mean just bacon just seems I don't cook anything for myself to takes more than 10 minutes like from the time. I turned the stove on to plating the food. It's less than 10 minutes, right? Absolutely. So that's just the way I am with these things. I like to know about the pregnancy question you got yeah, I'm gonna get there. Don't worry. I'm going to answer all these questions syrup is inconsistency. Okay, I see we're talking about yes Health Serie the salivary thing was very confusing. Probably not the Elderberry guy to ask about this. What else we got? Why is soy lecithin in everything because it's an emulsifier. So you guys got to remember this is the thing right when I wear t-shirts right now. I got my Rocky t-shirt on that I love but um when I wear t-shirts like eat Whole Foods change the world. This is what I'm talking about. And this is why I tell you guys like all the convenience Foods in the snack foods and all those things in the approved foods list. That should be called an if you must category if you must this this should not be staple foods, right? It's like if you're on the go or you're traveling you're going on vacation or something take those things with you. If you need something for the kids you go on a picnic, whatever. I don't know. Whole Foods change the world this is what I mean by it you guys want the convenience of packaged products? There are certain prices that you have to pay to get packaged products. For example, my paleo powders I chose to use ground flax right ground flax is basically the emulsifier that I'm using. So what an emulsifier is like, let's say you were to put let's say paleo powder had no emulsifiers and you put a scoop of paleo powder and a cup of water and walked away and came back 20 minutes later. All the powder would be at the bottom and all the water would be at the top you You need an emulsifier literally for the chemistry of making a product and the mouthfeel and the texture and making it mixable soy lecithin is just a really really popular emulsifier. It's used in like dark chocolate and a ton of different stuff and it's not going to kill you. It's absolutely not going to kill you. Right? I know people freak out about this stuff. But like if you have a 88 percent dark chocolate bar and you're like, it's got soy lecithin I can't do it's not the end of the world. It's really not right. I would stick the approved chocolate brand. In the approved foods list, but yeah people kind of freaked out about this, but it's really when you're going for packaged food that comes in a package. You gotta pay a price to make these things happen, right? All right, what else we got? Thanks for sharing man. Great stuff. Yeah. I hope that helps that's that's literally like my full shopping list. And the beauty of it is that you literally just walk into the grocery store. There's no reason why on the busiest day in the store. It should take me more than 10 minutes in and out right? I know exactly where I'm going. I know exactly what I'm getting and that's it. Like the only things I buy is like sometimes I have to go down the aisle to get like like I'll go to Publix because they have coconut aminos off to go down the aisle two Coconut aminos and like I pass all sorts of bullshit on the way, right? I mean walk down the aisles these grocery stores. That's the thing. It's like so rare that I didn't go to a middle aisle of the grocery store as walk around the perimeter get the eggs get the Frozen produce get whatever I need right? It's super super easy. So that's that's about what I do again, Austin, you gotta be wary of the vegetables, right? So don't do exactly what I do. But um, yeah, it's different for everybody. What else we got microwave one minute per slice. Yeah bacon is a pain in the ass to me. I mean, sometimes I'll I'll get bacon for myself, but I don't know. It's I don't like the packaging the bacon comes in pisses me off. I really wish the bacon manufacturers would come up with a better packaging system for their bacon because it's annoying right entrepreneurs get on that come up with better packaging for bacon. Should we do resistant starch eat some cold rice? No, I mean, so here's the thing right Sally. You got to worry about your Mac. That's it. All you got to worry about is your Macros, right? This is like the where we the stopping and tweaker thing comes in. Don't worry about whatever Trend you read somewhere or saw somewhere or even one of my old am a as like am a number 9 I talk about the potato hack right where you can cook a potato and cool it down and it will be more resistant starch than it will be Nick carbohydrates and you can do that trick with white rice as well. You do not need that right now. Literally your the two rules right when you get your proof Foods. Yeah. I mean your custom plan for me to rules hit your Macros. Do it with approved foods list with food from the approved foods list. That's it. Those are your two rules hit your Macros do it with approved foods nice and easy. That's it. So don't worry. I mean a lot of people and again, I'm not saying that this is what you're doing. But sometimes what will happen is they're finding reasons. They're finding reasons to add carbohydrates. They're finding reasons to add white high glycemic carbohydrates. White rice is an absurdly high glycemic food, right? It's almost like Eating straight glucose. It's almost like eating straight sugar. Okay, so to give you guys an example, I utilize white rice while doing Mass gains while trying to gain as much body mass as possible right now. I'm not going to get into that. There's it's a super biohacking thing. I only do it a particular time of day. I only do it on certain days. There's a ton to this that I understand and it's all about glute activation and mtor, right? So I'm not going to get into glute transport activation and mtor with you guys on my muscle cells, right? But these are these are why I know how to do these things but you stay away from the stuff. Right? Really, I mean really if you if you came in to Clovis and the stuff I'm teaching you. You don't know like the back of your hand don't even worry about do I need resistant starch. Do I need this? Keep it super simple and Sally I'm saying this directly to you because you have a custom nutrition plan. If you were someone that I didn't know and I'm not working with who doesn't have a custom nutrition plan or anything like that. I might be able to say like, you know, it depends on what you're doing, but I'd really I'd probably say just get in and get a custom nutrition plan for me. Really the simpler the better. I don't overcomplicate things like just be Clovis as consistently as possible for as long as possible. That's what you need to do right now and then we'll talk about those things down the road. You know what I mean? So that's that's really what you want to be doing right now is just sticking to it what else we got wild caught Seafood. Yeah. Yeah, that's always talking about I get wild caught salmon and wild caught tuna. Tuna. Those are both Staples of my grocery shopping list. All right, so, let's see what else we got four questions over here. So let's go. Let's go to the pregnancy question. So the pregnancy question was specifically about a medication called Zofran. I think I'm saying it correctly which is basically for nausea morning sickness and all those things but it's it's quite dangerous particularly. If you look up the side effects of this stuff Zofran somebody can correct me if I'm wrong. I know that you can I believe it's a prescription medication. I'm not exactly sure right. I think it's prescription medication. When you're dealing with the sickness thing either would be morning sickness or nausea randomly. So let's say we're attacking morning sickness, like first and foremost. I'm going to tell people to take a really good digestive enzyme to get a really like the best digestive enzyme you can afford so like bio. Jess cream of the crop for me get by. Oh just by Thorn right but it's expensive. So if you can afford NOW Foods NOW Foods has a super enzymes product, which is also great much cheaper than Thorn. So now now A foods and ho W NOW Foods super enzymes another great product. Then you have something like an ox bile right Ox bile is super cheap and you can just get it on Amazon, right? That's probably the cheapest of the cheap as just to get straight up Ox bile. Then you have things like apple cider vinegar. You can pick up a big big thing of apple cider vinegar for 4 bucks at your local grocery store like the Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar with the mother and the mother do as much of this stuff as you need to write. Like if you're feeling sick. These are digestive issues issues that you're dealing with and a couple things that And kind of work these things up is like eating right before bed now generally speaking. I tell you guys it really doesn't matter when you eat if you're hitting your Macros and all that stuff. I'm not too worried about it. But remember so this is another thing when people are going to freak out there like what this is blasphemy, right? Maybe try lowering your fat intake. So for example, if you're used to eating 60% dietary fat and now you're pregnant and you're still eating 60% dietary fat and you're trying to hit macros or whatever or you're eating more food and you eat like a bunch of grass fed beef. Let's say at 8 p.m. And then you're asleep at 9:00 p.m. You're laying on your back fat as we know takes the longest to leave to empty the stomach. It takes the longest to digest it's basically the most amount of work for the digestive system. Now if you're a healthy person, that's totally cool. Right but the gallbladder click kicks in and the gallbladder regulates the concentration of the bile that's coming from the liver sprays it out to your stomach to help you digest those fatty acids. That's why when people don't have a gallbladder. We have to be careful about fatty acid digestion. So my advice to you is to help the digestive system as much as possible and then take the strain off the digestive system as much as possible. So I've kind of been pigeonholed into being this 6030 10 guys 60% fat 30% protein 10 percent net carbohydrates because that's what I did the perfect Paleo cookbook centered around. But remember this is advice for if I don't know the individual I'm making a blanket statement with nothing to go off of 60/30 10 is pretty good for the average person most of the time right but there are no blanket statements so If you're pregnant, you're dealing with this. I might even tell you like. Hey, let's let's cut your fat back to you know, maybe 50 percent of your daily intake of calories, maybe 45 percent. Maybe we up your carbohydrates that 20% 25% What did Justin just say to eat 25 percent of your daily calories from carbohydrates. Like if you're pregnant, I don't give a crap about weight loss. That's the opposite of what I'm looking for. I don't want a caloric deficit. I want a caloric Surplus. I don't care about you losing. Body fat, I don't care if you gain body fat write the number one priority here is the health of the fetus, right? So that's really what we're dealing with here. And we need to think about it from that regard. So again, there are no blanket statements if you're following like a 60 30 10 macro and you're feeling nauseous. Let's adjust that. If you start taking a bunch of digestive enzymes and you still feel nauseous. Let's adjust that. Right? We absolutely have to adjust so it's very very common that when you're not pregnant you'll be fine. Following an attrition protocol is very good for you. You get pregnant. This is a giant giant change giant change, right? We may have to change some things. You're literally not the same person you were before you were pregnant. This goes out the window, right? We have to tweak things. So I'll see this happen a lot with Clovis people where they I'll give an example, right? There's a there's a good little parable about a guy who falls into the white water rapids, right? He falls into Rapids and he's gonna drown he's gonna die, but he grabs a lob. Hold on to this log and he floats in the log and the log takes him through the white water rapids and he gets down gets through the Rapids he survives and all of a sudden he's floating out in a wide-open lake and he's floating on his log and he can see the shore and there's no Rapids. He just needs to swim to shore but he can't swim to shore with the log but his brain is not letting him let go of the law because the log saved his life. He loves the log. He doesn't want to let go of the log but to grow as a person too. Advance his life. He has to let go of this log. This is what I find all the time in Clovis and I tell you guys about it constantly and I say the stopping and weaker and I say that health is just a stepping stone. Right don't cling to things that have worked for you because they saved your life or like for most people Clovis is the most drastic life transformation they ever have ever so they're going to cling to that long. Well, I did search 6030 10 macros and it saved my life. I'm gonna keep doing this if you need to tweak you need to Right, if you're tweaking with me in particular, this is different from the stop being a tweaker episode and deciding for yourself two weeks in what you want to change. Like I'll get people that have been 60 30 10 macros following the same macros for a year and they're just like hey, I've kind of plateaued. I'm not sure what's going on. Like I don't like you. Yeah. I'm doing the same thing for a year. You want to change something cool. Hit me up. Like that's get some new macros. Let's tweak some things. Let's try some physical activity to try this out. The other thing right? Don't be afraid to let go of that log. Ugh particularly, if something really traumatizing to the body happens like becoming pregnant while you're on this nutrition plan, right? We're going to have to tweak things for sure. So the biggest pieces of advice I can give you let's cut back the fat intake maybe up increase the intake of a little bit of a complex carbohydrates again. I'm not a doctor. I'm not giving pregnancy advice for anybody. This is not medical advice right digestive enzymes with every meal at least apple cider vinegar. At least if you have no digestive enzymes do like 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar at every single meal. Don't need a bunch of fat before bed. Right so probably try to stop eating least a couple hours before bed. See if that changes anything. What else we got here? Do we chat with anyone if you sign up for the correct macro custom macros, you you talk to me directly. Yeah, Mike you've been you've been in these videos for like months dude by a plan. What are you doing bro? If you are like just work with me one-on-one. It's about as easy as it gets right. Like I know you're here all the time. So just by a plan go to I'm post.com start like chat with anyone. I'm the only guy at Clovis. It's only me you chat with me. That's the way this goes. Right? Is it custom attrition by from I make your plan. A hand with my Casio calculator. That's how this goes. Right. It's very difficult for scaling to scale a company is tough when you're the only one making plans. But yeah, the person you chat with is me. All right, what else we got? What non-toxic Pans Cookware do you recommend using other than cast iron? Skillets stainless steel really, um, it kind of sucks because they you gotta put like a bunch of oil and I'm it's really hard to make a nonstick. There's this other company that I've been talking to I can't even remember extrema. I think it is extremely Tre Ma I've been chatting with them behind the scenes because they were on the podcast of my really good friends over at paleo Valley with Autumn Smith. Very expensive cookware. It is ceramic cookware that seems to be super healthy and non-toxic. So the other thing to remember with cast iron, this isn't a huge problem for most women, but it's actually been a problem for me that I found my iron is through the roof. I'm supposed to donate blood at least once a quarter just to get because I have such iron levels and I cook exclusively on cast iron and I don't think that's a coincidence. It's just something that I haven't gotten around to changing but I cook on cast iron exclusively and I have been doing that for years. So it's like I don't think that that's a coincidence doesn't really bother me doesn't really scare me or anything. But I'd say ceramic cast iron stainless steel probably as safe as it gets anything that has nonstick built into it is chemicals. So you be careful with that. All right, what else we got going to see if I had any other questions? Oh, yes. Somebody asked me if I have a list it says do you have a list of approved products such as deodorant? Laundry detergent Etc. We are looking to lighten our toxin load and the answer is yes. Absolutely and that can be found at I am Clovis just go to I am Clovis.com and click on shop and click on ebooks and there is it's literally called the approved products ebook. The comment made me laugh is like you have a list of approved products. Like that's literally the name of it. It's just the approved products ebook and it's everything from defunding. No rent to laundry detergent to fabric softeners to I mean just everything and I am looking to update that and expand it so know that anytime you buy an e-book from me if there's an update or a change you get that download for free. So when you when you buy that specific ebook it's yours for life. And if Donna line I add 30 pages to it. You're just going to get an email that says hey there's an update to the e-book you bought click here to download the new version and you get the new version. So I recommend you should go on. I am Clovis and by every freakin ebook I have right Right. I think my ebooks are. Some of the most valuable content in terms of e-books I've ever seen particularly for the prices. Like I think my fasting the perfect the the perfect passing protocol is fantastic for any question you could ever have about fasting and the benefits of fasting and how to do it Go by that the approved products list is fantastic. I have two books written specifically just for children one is The Ultimate Guide to macros for kids how to feed your kids. This should be required reading for parents by the way, and then how to talk to your kids about weight if you have a little kid, that's obese or fat. Something like that how to talk to them about it, right? Because that's really tricky and then there's the perfect fat loss guide. There's the perfect passing protocol and obviously the perfect Paleo cookbook, which is amazing. I mean, I really would just go by the suite of Clovis ebooks and I mean literally change your life with these ebooks and any time I update them you're going to get downloads. If I add recipes to The cookbook. You're going to get a free download for that. You buy it once it's yours forever. Okay, and little hint if you go to I'm covid.com start and you sign up for a custom nutrition plan. An you're going to get a very special offer on that cookbook hint hint, right? So gotta I'm Clovis.com start get yourself a custom nutrition plan like Mike needs to with me. And once you sign up for that customer attrition plan, I'm gonna give you a super special deal on that. Perfect Paleo cookbook. So that's a great way to get your hands on that as well. So how we look in here which almost 9 p.m. Time flies everybody. I'm trying to think if there's any other okay, so there was one question from somebody that said, She just wanted to share her story with me. So she is a coach and she's on a meal plan. And she says she successfully lost 45 pounds in 4 months and kept it off for the last seven months. However, like every other program out there. There's this push to coach and Mentor someone and basically make a buck off them. I love sharing my transformation story, but I'm not a salesperson, right? So this is really interesting. I actually like that this person wrote to me because I see this all the time and some people ask me about the about Clovis when I launched. The ambassador program here's what I'll tell you if you're using the program at work, you lost 45 pounds in 4 months. Those are great results. You've kept it off for seven months. Those are great results, right? You don't have to be Clovis if you have something that's working really well for you stay there that said if the company is pushing you in a direction that you don't like and they're pissing me off tell them to fuck off. I mean really just like if the if you're going to be part of that program and they're just going to be breathing down your neck and telling you that you need to sell you need to sell you need to sell you need to sell leave. That's not a part of that's not an organization that I don't A part of right and I don't require that of Clovis. The ambassador program is completely optional. I don't push you guys to sell my have you don't want to don't period I don't care right? The only reason I did the ambassador program was to make the membership more affordable for you guys because you can make commission's off other members and then your fee each month will be less or will disappear altogether or you can make profit I did that for you, right? I don't care if you're an ambassador or not. So any program that tells you that you have to sell sell sell sell. I'd probably run for the hills and the other question that they had was so this person went on and said that she still has about 15 pounds to lose and said that her son is obese and she feels really horrible that our son is obesity. I'm sorry. This is a very very long question. So I'm paraphrasing so we handled the part about your current diet plan. You can take it or leave it right now. The sun is obese and she's saying that they are very low income. So they're asking how does Successfully transition into Clovis and then asked when is it appropriate to start exercising? So we take this as two points right how to transition into Clovis. So if you're worried about the cost of it, I want you to understand that the cost is a non-negotiable you have to be prepared to do that. The cost is beautiful for me because it weeds out the people who are not serious and I know that that sounds kind of rude or kind of mean or whatever but that really what it is. That's really what it is like a $27 a month membership. I know what gym membership fees are. I know what personal trainers cost Per session all these things right $27 a month. It's really just there as kind of a way for me to weed out people who aren't serious. That's it. Right. So if you're now the other thing is, I have a lot of content about grocery budgets and people thinking that eating healthy is too expensive. I want to be super clear about this eating healthy is not too expensive. It's simply a matter of allocating budget correctly. So people think that I'm gonna walk in and say you need to increase your grocery budget. That's not what's going to happen. I'm going to tell you to reallocate the funds. If you get rid of all the processed junk and I'm not saying like just chips and Doritos sure you gonna get rid of chips and Doritos and Oreos and all that stuff. You're also going to get rid of like milk and oatmeal and fruit and these things that you think are healthy foods that you're buying you're going to get rid of all of those. You're going to lower your grocery bill quite drastically, then you can reallocate those funds to Clovis approved foods. So I'm not actually making you spend more money. It's just that very few people are willing in the beginning. To just clean out their cupboards and throw away everything that is junk food. Well, I don't want to waste it. I don't want to waste it if it had a skull and crossbones on it and said toxic you'd have no problem throwing it away. That's what most of the food in your house is throw it away. Bring it to Goodwill if you want to write but then you're just poisoning homeless people. So get rid of that food. Stop buying the junk in your grocery bill will go down. That's the best way to transition money-wise now to touch on your kid your kid is obese. That's priority number one numero. You know, I don't care if you have to eat like crap to get the kids weight under control. I don't care that kid comes first period I catch a lot of flack for this. I get a lot of heat on line. It's why I've sort of taken a backseat to the childhood nutrition thing because I am very hard on parents. I look parents dead in the face and I say, you know better now you've met me you've consumed my content, you know how to feed your kid. If you are contributing to the kids obesity at this point that's straight-up child abuse and I wish that that would be handled this child abuse. I really do that's my take on it. I'm super super firm on this. I don't care. I don't care who thinks. I'm a jerk because of it. It's genuinely I'm just like I your little kid deserves the best period your kid deserves the best your kid deserves to be happy your kid deserves to live a long Healthy Life free of chronic disease. So you need to do whatever is in your power to handle this obesity problem in your child. That's priority number one, right? So people come to me and they're little kids obese like that's priority number one. Don't really care about your goals right now. Sorry, let me talk to the little guy. Right let me talk this little dude and it is your responsibility to get all of the junk out of the house 100% 100% get rid of it. That's it. It's is a non-negotiable right? It's not fair that your kids going to have a crappy life going forward because he's not in charge of what goes in his mouth, right? He doesn't walk to the grocery store with his own credit card and buy the groceries, right? So it's just that's priority number one. So transition to Clovis. It's just simply an idea of reallocating funds to what's really a important and then the childhood obesity thing that's priority number one and I can absolutely absolutely absolutely help you with that just be aware. Like I'm doing this from a place of love. I promise you I care a lot about childhood nutrition, but I know that I'm very hard to work with if you want me to work with you and your kids I do not accept excuses. I don't accept excuses period when it comes to Childhood nutrition, that's all there is to it, right? So that's my thoughts on that. Hello. I want to get the fasting book. Yeah Gael just go to I am Clovis.com click shop. Ebooks boom get the fasting book. It's right there. Super super easy or you shoot me an e-mail just now. I'm covid.com us a new direct link. I wish that I let me see if I have a direct link I can check here. Let's see. Yeah, I got a direct link right here. Okay, cool. Awesome. So I'm going to share a direct link in the comments. Boom. There you go. Oh wait, I just did the approved list. Whoops. Okay, you're talking about the fasting book. Okay. Let me get you a link for the fasting book called on can't keep track all these ebooks. Let's see the perfect passing protocol. There it is. Okay. Let me share this with you comment perfect passing protocol go get it. All right frozen organic veggies grass-fed beef went on sale and lots of seasonings and Activity is how my growing family makes it work in a food desert. It can be done it 100% can be done. That's it. The people that say can't be done are simply unimaginative and it's apathy. It's just apathy if you swear you can't figure it out or you swear healthy food is just too expensive you're being lazy. Okay. Sorry, it's all there is to it like you should see the amazing Foods. I get it all D. I got walking to all the it's like literally wild caught salmon and organic. That's the cheapest organic broccoli anywhere in town that I found anywhere in Nashville big giant bags of it at Aldi. It's amazing. Right? So the country is coming around really like granted. I live in like a suburb or whatever, but I'm telling you you can make this stuff work. I'm telling you can make it work. So it's just a matter of priorities and putting effort in Clovis takes effort. Right, it absolutely takes effort and it should take effort. If it didn't it wouldn't work. Right. I'm literally teaching you how to rebuild your entire life around these ideas of Health and Wellness. So it's going to be like it's called lifestyle intervention for a reason. You're literally going to change the way you live your life, right? All right. So 906 anybody got any questions or anything for you wrap this one up. This is a good little um, little chill casual episode. Just chat with you guys. There's a lot of new people coming into the fold, which is great. So I like to to do these particularly for the new people to come in and ask some questions. We had a new comment. What do we got? Hashtag? No excuses, correct. I like that hashtag. That's a good one. It's pretty cool. What else you got for me any questions before we bounced out of here am a number 61. Hope you enjoyed it. 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Girls like really good Hunter Dominica guy. What's up, Orange? Theory Fitness Nation ready? For some orange therapy? Welcome to week 7, my name is Christian Revere and I am joined by Rhea and Trey. What's up guys? What's up? We're going to talk about Orange Theory text messages that we've been getting. We're going to talk about a little bit of orange theory in Silicon Valley and we're going to talk to one of the admin members of Orangetheory memes Christy and weirdo. Yeah. 25,000 members Lance Armstrong, if you're driving walking, whatever and you want to reach us text us triple five Tripoli. If it's your first time texting us just text the word OT podcast to travel five Triple Eight and after that you can reach out to us anytime you want if you want to get us on Instagram, it's orange underscore therapy. Also, I'd like to point out that this episode is sponsored by she fit bras again. We're going to talk more about that but Let's get into it first listener feedback. So a woman named Laura. I promise to be anonymous from the Cumberland Georgia location texted us how much she loves the show and she says am I the first person to recognize why everyone loves Rios voice so much. She sounds exactly like Phoebe from friends. That's uncanny so real sounds like smelly cat. I asked 1982 Trey what she thought and she made a face like she was sucking on a lemon. So I'm assuming she does not think reassess ounds like Phoebe from friends. But Trey I wanted to ask what you think was a fellow 1982. I don't agree with that. Oh, so she does sound like Phoebe from friends. No. No, I'm with 92. Oh, she doesn't that sound to it. I may run like Phoebe, but you don't I don't think so real. What do you sound like in your head is Is my question amazing? Oh, yeah. Can you sing Smelly Cat? You don't want to hear? No, we do we do. Please please sing Smelly Cat. I got really tired of watching. I agree, but it's cute. That doesn't do it for me. I mean, I like those monkey. I like this monkey other areas there. Okay, let's continue. So everyone what do you think or who do you think really sounds like if you could text this triple five Tripoli or hit us up on Instagram at Orange underscore therapy is to think area sounds like that's what we'd like to know go to our Instagram page because it is what I picked up a hundred and twelve users this week. So thank you this week Tran Maria was the go bro. What was that? And how did you do? Yeah, so go Ro was a four-minute Row for distance. And so hopefully everybody set their rowing machine to but yeah before correct switch, I think not everybody chord, but it look didn't meet it more you do that final poll and you're like, there you go, but we Stop kind of things. Really. Yes. Yeah humming problem. Exactly. I'm not that there's anything wrong with that so you don't want to pull too soon. It's never that pull hard the first couple of Strokes. Yeah, just make sure you're ready. It should be explosive. It should be X plus we're talking about the row, right? Yeah. Look at all the liquid moving around. Yeah in the waterer in the water or that's exactly the liquids flowing here. So you saying yes, that's about how long it takes any way for months and and you grow as hard as you can for four minutes, which is actually it's hard like it's this is pretty but it's a distance row at the same time. So it's hard and I just didn't agree. What are we talking about? We're talking about the world. So, how was your time on the 400 my time on the format? So it's fun for a minute. Sorry. So that's why I don't care. However, it for minutes was 1122. Oh my God, I feel terrible that my time was for me. What was your time? Well, you know what that's actually a very relevant question what I'm was set so it was for a minute but not everybody set their tenth of what I'm saying. Yeah. All right, so you little lovin I did. 22 yes 1197. So here's the thing. I don't know will be recorded and I mailed it in you both be no. I didn't you did 1000 147. Oh, no 74 so you still beater. Yeah, but when adjusted for X X chromosomes should be yes. And by the way, I hear all these people talking about. Oh, well, there's no Between xx and XY is we need to be equal on points. What rower number were you on? Here's a question 3. It does make I don't recall. Actually, I was on 11. I feel like I'm looking into which is a person. I don't recall. I was on 11, which I think is a true. Yes, a true like filled. I mean listen, let's just put it in perspective. I mean the top person words part of the mafia was a that what 1302 meters something like that. So I mean you were up there I was up there if I had been on like rower 6 which at our studio we know has like it's only filled to like 16 or something. That's why you got to make a deaf program feel great when you fix I thought it was very that's why when people is a multiple of yeah, but So either way we did well, so Julia's son on Twitter says today. I started feeling finally feeling like a runner and she's got some emojis in my first month as an unlimited member of Orangetheory. I completed 22 workouts that breaks down to less than eight dollars per class. I have done that math too. So I work in startups. I get this whole thing get the growth. She's obviously a product marketing person in San Francisco. So Her job is to focus on growth and that's kind of has me Trey. Really? How do you justify your membership? Whenever you see that charge a good question. Well, especially since since you go to Planet Fitness and you could do an orange theory work out our Planet Fitness or what is got a black card. I know it's a just $3.00 more 17 $19 $19. We are $19 a month. So the cost of one orange tariqa. So I have actually broken that down because the hub's is like why are we spending so much money on this and I'm like, oh no because I go five or six times a week. So I don't know what that math breaks down to but it's true. He's got his iPhone out. He's getting his calculator pretty much a meal prep. So I don't go to lunch. Hey, if everybody out there, I've never actually seen Troy uses phone for anything other than a phone call in a calculator. So he's got $1,000 calculator 4.99. What's 499 our Yeah, $4.99. So it's a bargain is a bargain got it. So he just have to use it. Correct? Yeah, so you said your hubs gave you shit? Does he go to Planet Fitness every day? No, but now he joined a different gem that has its way more money. Wait. Is it a studio or a sauna? Wendy - okay, I'll make it happen. Come on over. I have front some free passes great. I'm gonna swim I did is I got a new cap goggles is an infant. So okay. I'm kind. I'm just curious that I know my audiences. Have you and your husband been in the same sauna? Yeah, we haven't been in the same. Anyway, I am not in that. Okay, but what we were discussing Okay, so y'all tank that topic. Let's get into the random thought of the week last week. We talked about microwave popcorn. Yes, a guy is the most random. I tried to tell her back a little bit so you don't kick me out of the club. Okay, I overheard a woman at Starbucks telling her friend. There's never win. I believe they were talking about a situation at work. But obviously that can apply to just about any situation where humans are involved. But when I hear say somebody say something like that, I always think or sometimes mistakenly say out loud. Did you ever think that maybe the cheaters that did win didn't get caught the Patriots? Yes Mother they get caught. That's why you know about them. So Trey Andrea can you can expand them? I thought there they all have any thoughts on that latest virus cheaters most of the time when until the yeah, I mean I'm about to you know, I would never forget my business law class in college and it was the first thing the professor said was you do not break along until you get caught. That's true something you didn't do. Ten of those know like the fuck. Do you know exactly I did ten of them are not like that my ass here and I'm centering eight. Not me. I'll do the number. Boom. Well people get that out. I see that online they questioned shape yet. So I don't cheat but this is how I know. I had a trainer we're all at a bar one night. She got drunk and she decided to tell me Kershaw. I like you and I said, why do you like me and she goes because you don't cheat and I said, okay and She goes these are the people who cheats and because she was drunk. She started to name but really cheated that she was watching and she goes you're there at 5:00 a.m. And I watch you don't cheat. I like you. I was like, it's good. Okay, but you know, I mean I said, let's rewind yeah. Out in our audience. Yeah, we don't do that. That's how people really we just talked about them Chris so curious. That's all I hear really good until they made a cake. I better be the intro. So moving in or as we say in the studio Swatch on Reddit a woman named white cloth and weight. So I'm assuming she's talking about the non alcohol or alcoholic flavored beer. She posted a humble brag and for some reason Reddit made this NSFW which for those of you and the HR World stands for not safe for work. It's really it's not safe. It's not suitable. It's nothing apparently read its policy is anything that shows a midriff which Maybe really what if it was the guys Madrid. Can I be honest with you? I think forget about the gender thing. I think the midriff it might be the most unattractive word I've ever heard of anyway. Yeah. Anyway, her name is white cloth and weights and in jail in she posted a humble brag and a picture saying these pants used to be tight. One of them will have a link to it in the show notes. It looks like she lost a good three inches, right? We appreciate a man named shiny toy robots comments the hidden expense of OTF Is having to buy a new wardrobe so try and rim, what kind of money if you dropped because your body more. Jeeto Tina and pause for one moment and just say that this is a bathroom mirror shot described. Yeah, and she doesn't have a bunch of stuff on her Shadow Hunter which is she's got some hand soap hand soap. So she's clean like some face lifetime like my Eczema something. It's makeup. Okay and a relatively clean mirror And you can see they are Lube in the back. Yeah. Yes. You're gonna take a bathroom. Selfie. It's a big heart. This is this is like Disney took a bathroom. Selfie, like just look in the background. You got like chills a wedding ring. So she might be a swinger. Yeah. Well, she looks sketchy. However watch too. Yeah. She does she's got swinger and she's a she's a lefty also cut the Apple watches on her ring. The sleuth. So anyway, what kind of money have you dropped because you've gone up or down sizes and clothing or have you I actually have not gone down to size. I haven't either which is actually really frustrating. Yeah. Why do you keep going towards Theory? I don't plan on good in it. A rule 33 or you tell people that change the family tree. What am I paying say? Hold on. I'm dropping we dropped friends and Seinfeld references. All right race taking off his pants. Which up a tripod. What is that? Bruise? Who's been hit Trey? Oh my god, dude. You should get that treated me 334 like banana republics wet dream. And by the way, you should get that tree maker, which is like my favorite smell. Yeah, so guys if he needs a smoker do some of that for bruise cologne. Let's go back to the original question. Sorry the secondary question. Why do you get paid? If you're not buy any clothes, well, it's a maintain to we're getting older got to you. Got to just feel good. Correcto, it's good. Right like you like going in there. You have your friends in there. I have I have noticed that when I first met you both of you when you're very bitchy and assholes and now you're much nicer we have for lunch. Let's do that. Next are so true. I think it cost more to see whether the delivery feel is more than the food. That but to be fair and I gave a tip I know but to be fair we needed comfort food because we were talking about gay men and swingers exactly off to I'm so hungry. No. Have you ever had anybody each arm? Nibble always works. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Let me nibble on mobile home and rebel everybody. Hold on. We're going to nibble on Wheels arm but Jesus Christ Trey is it smells good. Actually with me Trey is I have nothing. Yeah. I thought I would never trade is kissing Andrea's arm exactly like you think a gay man would kiss a straight woman's on. It is completely non-sexual and that's good. I don't know what Aha letter looks like the owl that if it's a pop, you know what I was used to but it did taste good. At least. I know I'm you look like a bird pecking at some seed when I'm gonna pack you so much so you can humble brag of this girl. Yes. Good job. She looks good Jordan, but does Jordan brother has posted an orange theory means he post OTF cult and he's got some emojis get your Splat tat. Has a picture of him and his friends getting Splat tat logos kind of say they are fixed. Yes a clean bathroom that always count. What a girl is always notice the cleanliness of the room like who gives a shit I care. Yeah, like when cute picture of Spencer once when he was a kid, I mean just God freaking adorable and Heather comes on mad because she's mad that I posted a picture of our bathroom and it was not clean. I'm like who cares? It's Kira life. But anyway, I appreciate it. Jordan whoever it is Jordan, Jordan Water. He's a black tank top joint kind of thick Jordan rivers in the white T-shirt standing up is gorgeous. Yeah. No Jordan. I mean, do you and then Raul Marquez? Who's this? Again? Raul Marquez? Can you roll your arms? Can I borrow their arms? There you go. So he post a picture of he can. It's on that same post and he says my life more life and he's got the Splat logo and he put a comment underneath and he said people may not understand but this place has changed my life and is now a part of me forever. Wow, and he's from San Angelo which San Angelo which I believe is in Texas. Yeah. So my question for Trey and Andrea three questions, do you have any angle body? Okay. If so, what is it? I do not have any income about I do not either. I'm afraid of needles I didn't get my ears pierced. So I was 32. Oh God. Yeah, I do know that I have three three ear piercings. I also don't think that there is anything in life that I like enough to actually so here's my next question. What means so much to you that you will get it tattooed on your body and offer details if it would have to be something that is it'll be a person. Well, it's not like a picture of a person but it had to be Connect it to a person. I'm just I'm like so particular about like artsy type stuff that and like I see something on me. I'm like, oh, what's that and it changed I wouldn't like that or if it faded colors or something. I don't know. I would I would be so particular about it. So it's just not for me for me. If I get one on the right hand side. I'm going to one one on the left hand if you got any to be even yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got a few things so one I would get A Beautiful Death I might get that in Latin and my receipt. Okay, so that would be one thing but otherwise to the most painful part part of your body apparently is right under Your Arms by the white the white girl or that white black Hispanic, but Jordan if you could have her text triple five trampoline and tell me what that experience is like. So anyway, I'm not gonna hurt you and they look really good on her. Actually, it's because she makes the jeans look Dad. I'm pretty sure so anyway underneath the under arm and on the ribs, I would get my kids names put on there. Okay. The only other thing that I would get is I have a scar literally in the middle of my chest where I had to have something removed and I would put the footprints of my kids there, but that's a No-No footprint. Okay, I'll show you later and you're like 13 you'd have Like size 10 so my crew doesn't get ink but they are dicks which is good for the show. It's good for the show search. All right, it's time for Zero Hero we're going to do a real quick. Yeah. So Christine lad says move with purpose. Yes. I like it here before I like that. Also. I feel like that's during a switch like yeah. Um, I mean it's acted today Chuck exact size of the last move up here first. Am I came to dogs class? I know we appreciate your joining honorary coffee Club member now, you got the week. I like going at 5 a.m. And one thing I really like about 5 a.m. As I get an extra hour in the morning see how much I can get done and it's I'm so jealous you guys watching you outline. What I do in my extra hour takes you an hour and my extra hour and it's a joke. Four minutes I got so close. There's no extra hour. Did it include like gross? Okay. Let's go over you better relationship for a while. You're still doing foreplay. Yes. Well, sorry Heather. Shannon heart says you didn't come this far just to come this car. Is there a war hero? That's a fucking hero. I almost had a margarita and unless you say it like me. I'm not really concerned with distance that much anymore. I was in my younger days. Okay. Now I'm more concerned with Stanley. Oh, okay. So zero, so I don't think this is This Guy's real name, but whatever. No, it's a girl actually her name is duh. Da Cobbs CEO BBS. Cop the cop. So they're aware how to say it. Thank you. Continue. Come on Dirk on and dictate the Cubs says diurnal Ruffalo masek. This is the last minute of our life. No, that's not even a glass. That's inappropriate. Is it really just made up a rating not safe for one more life. So the Cubs Come Harder? Yeah, that's right. Yes, Alan adopt it Swatch Amanda read a book. It really is readable. I don't think it's a real love me. Yeah, but I'm on Twitter says consistently pulling greater 400 watts on the rower when I used to pull about 180 wow, or on the regular is my greatest sin. Nsv, I don't want to dance y'all Victory what non scale Victory is nsv as an unskilled. I mean, it's like so like your weight you look down at it and regards to language stuffed safe to say I got curling. I've never heard a guy say hashtag. That's okay for you, but I'm not good. No longer it's over. It was like we're just relationship I've ever had except for the one that had for play safe to say. I got more than a lousy t-shirt and she says hashtag half-century challenge. So I have two questions here. Sherea. What SWAG? Would you like to see from Ooty give out OT give out for the signature workouts. Like dry. Try and your battles. What about them and actual metal? Like I don't know. What do you want? These Moulton the wall. Yeah, I want like a good whatnot. This shitty water bottles are not going to give you a cookie guy, and I'm okay if I have to pay for it if I will get because I think about it. I sign up for like Marathon dive. So if you would give me if I knew I was getting a good product or what I do it or like a trucker hat not like a not a shitty weird like adjustable hat in the back like give me a good hat. I take a hat that sure water bottle. Your boat captain to I really do have a boating license. Oh safe on the water. Hmm. So you can navigate to it smell for play right there. I like that you can navigate for you. I can take you out to the middle of the lake and do things to yank me out to the Deep part of the ocean. I like it. You got it. If you need my friend Erica CLA uvi mental therapy. Try rien Tino. What the half century challenges? I haven't heard of that. She's 53 of those all the hashtags Orange Theory thing. Okay, maybe like there are so many studios that did this like half century Challenge and I feel like it was you had to do 50 classes in three months or something. There's something it is something like that, but probably some It's 50 classes in x amount of time. I want to say it's 90 days, but that may be Resolute. I know we do that in too much during my sleep my now, but I think that once you if you sign up in the studio participates, then you get this half century challenge finisher t-shirt. What? Yes, you get a t-shirt that says half-century Challenge and then it says finisher and really big font. If you guys followed Orangetheory on Instagram like me. Okay, I have it. Yes, absolutely true. Challenges 50 classes 12 weeks and really good schools of t-shirt. What happened? Why did I not get one? Do you want me to make you one? I'm crafty and I'll make you one of your craft is that you spend a lot of time. Yeah. I do actually, you know who's a half-century challenger challenge finisher. Whoo, Kelly who were interviewing later? Okay, I like bright. Oh, yeah. Perico what are you sorry cause just when we need her she's at work I was texting with her earlier sexting with her. What was that about? Yeah, what was it navigating the oceans Jessica if you could tell us what you and ring over talking about overworked you're supposed to be working. But you're sexy and trip triple five AAA. You can send the screenshots. We are screenshot Mabel's in case anybody wants to Right now she should have better pictures than if she's on pain medication. Yes, but we just talked about navigating the captain. But this time I let a guy Captain our boat to recall this or every now David but I haven't yeah, I know I don't act like a damsel in distress. I don't know how to drive that. Yes. Yeah. Well the good thing was I could drink and then he And then drive one time at band camp. Okay, go ahead. So Jessica looked smokin hot in here because Jessica being smoking hot. You know what she could use a she fed bra. So tell us why Jessica could use a Sheaf of bra but in general I'm she has a really amazing rack and she's blessed but behind she's blessed everywhere get it. She is blessed everywhere. 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Ha ha ha ha I do have some haters out there. Do you talk about the haters? I didn't know you had haters haters. I am I use colorful words quite a bit. So you spend so you can tell us but basically you have to bite you. Room customers all day and then you like let fly or on the Facebook group is that essentially what happens after 17 years you kind of get used to that stuff and you choose your battles, which we have learned to do with the mean page. That's for sure. So close to you said that you're up in Michigan. Is that where you're originally from born and raised got it? Okay, and so you are one of the admins on the orange. Terry means group. Can you tell us a little bit more about yourself? That's correct. I am a moderator. So Margaret is actually the admin and she's the one that founded the group and then you have Pete and Dwayne who are also moderators and I actually joined the memes and September note the meme started in September and then I joined November of 2018 and then seems fairly recent for you. Oh, yeah. There's only a battle. Month, it's been only around for 11 months. Wow. Okay, and how did you how did you get involved as an admin? My I had sent you were my friends and I from artworks Terry we became members of it and we loved it. And in the beginning it was all means it was fun things, you know just good quotes and then it started to become grass. I'll grass and it was boring. Yes, what does that mean? The grafts from everyone was posting their charts and graphs or an orange? Ha ha ha. So what part of Michigan you're from? And where is your home studio? I am from Detroit and my home studio is Lake Orion, Michigan. So we're suburbs north of Detroit. Now when you say you're from Detroit like you're from the Dior from like Dearborn or something. No, we have everyone says they're from Detroit. We're all pretty much an hour north south east or west got it. Just checking. Okay, and when you're when you're not at OTF at 5 a.m. What are you doing - the month of December December. I'm doing 70 hour work weeks just because that's our busy month for the holidays. And other than that. I have a lot of free time. I don't have any children and Married, I mean I've stopped children, but they're old enough to take care of themselves. That's way to get in retrospect. I know right on the no kid team. Absolutely. Absolutely. Nothing wrong with the dog mom and you all shut up. So of course the I'm very confused on your name. So like your Facebook handle cheese like Tina Thomas There's like Terrier something. So what is your name? Who is Christy? My name is Christian Brando. That's it. And then Tina Thomas is you know, we all have an alter ego or yes. Yeah, it really has an alter ego and swingers clubs. Where woody. Drinking margaritas perfect won't tell anyone so Christi. How did how did you get involved with the Facebook means group a couple of my members and I were actually huge fans of the meme group when it first started and then it slowly started to change into graphs and that's all we were seeing. So like your Unlike the post-workout graphs. I wasn't everyone else was ha ha ha pyramid pyramid pyramid. I don't wear the armband. I do nothing of that nature. I don't know. So wait. How did you how did you get so I have two questions. That's how into it and be how did you get addicted to it? If you're not into anything, so I sent a message to actually to Margaret and told her that we enjoy. The group much more with all the memes and the fun things as opposed to just scene graphs and that's what it was turning into and I thought I would be more than happy to help. It's just moderate this only. Wow, it's fun. Yeah. All right. I mean it was getting boring. You can go anywhere and see anyone's graphs. But how many grafts can you possibly really look at now Chris Christie weight it is is it Marguerite you said is that her name Margaret Margaret and now is she a trainer? No, she's just a member. She's just a memory. Now. How did you get involved in Orangetheory? Just friends talked me into it. I used to go to a workout similar to that was a hit workout. So a couple friends got me into it and then I just started meeting a lot of people and a lot of funds and now we're just one big family. I feel like that's how we are Tim. Yeah, it's weird. Do you have people that like in normal life you feel like you wouldn't necessarily connect with like correct different cultures different backgrounds, but you have one kind of one thing in common and it all works. Yeah. Oh absolutely in our Studios so badass. Which one is it? It is Lake Orion, Michigan Lake Orion. Okay, and you go to the 5 a.m. Is that correct? I do yeah, what time you typically off work I get off work anywhere between 10:00 and midnight nice. And are you comfortable sharing what you do? Even if you can't share the brand name of what where you work? Of course, I'm a server at a high-end Steakhouse. So do you go to bed when we did the 4:30? 90 minutes last week. That was a little tough one of your memes that you posted. Oh, yeah, we're 30 am 90 minute and our whole entire team was really jealous that yes, we don't we don't have the ability to do it for 30 jerking off at 4:30. Get me bitch. Please questions I have is like so you're a moderate or what's the craziest thing you've ever had to moderate from getting posted? Who? All right. Well, Great was a T-Rex partner workout right from a porno. See really tell us more about the Scribe at oh, yeah, it's your so it was a low row with holding the TRX straps and then the girl was in front of him. Hmm, and they only had their tank tops on and he disallowed that Well, we've in yeah, that sounds like my 4:30 a.m. Yeah, so that was that was probably I mean we have to we have a lot of gentle personalities that we deal with on top of every I can't tell what I don't mean gentle personality. You got to be so super gentle with them. Can you be more specific or you just have to like you're running for president right now? Yeah, they're just they could offend a lot of people get offended and then we have to remind them. It's a mean page. Yeah, somebody getting offended at Master something. So Christina you guys approved one of my I made a list of gifts whatever it is a little grower guy and all week people were talking about their balls coming here. Dude growing and he had the only balls I could find that would have to buy more than they were six tennis balls and I just sort of fell out and I was like don't be this guy and then I said XOXO I'll girls right because that was it. That was a great name. Yeah, it was so good. Right and it wasn't a graph and then so some and I'm like, you know, it's funny and if you're following your page, which everybody should because it's fun then they should know what's happening. That week. Yeah, and so there was a dude that he was like your body shaming people and I'm like, you know what? And I'll kind of your your creativity comes with it because you know the onesie than yesterday and then yeah so good and it was great that people actually thought you could buy it like money gets made this meme. I can make that for you. We should start a business. That's somebody who will make will make that print. I know, it's Priceless. Yeah Christy. Do you come up with these memes? Oh, yeah, 90% of my name's are all myself. It's really nice of I mean the consistency that what yeah, pretty pretty strong. Yeah. Well, it's just you find something that you're you know, when you're working out that's funny and you just turn it and make it into something and there's a guy work out next to I refer to him as dude in a lot of my memes and he actually inspires me quite a bit on the memes because he's really Ready and fast and marketing and all that other stuff. So it kind of gives me a little insight once in a while. So y'all are discussing this while you're running on the Rover. I mean on the where a slight stalkers. Yeah, you're what we kind of talk. Okay, like I did steal yours from this morning and I post it in our in our group. It was just a black screen and I don't I don't know that you made it. I can kind of see a watermark from someplace else, but it says nobody cares work harder. And so our whole team and I say our team kind of a big group there that one. Yeah, that was a good one. Those are the ones I don't make right quotes, you know, those are the ones that I usually just grab and a lot of those some people get offended with just really strong words, I guess but you just hurt like I don't know I guess in some ways. I'm surprised in some ways. I'm not like you just had 25,000 numbers and like they're active which is incredible. Yeah. Yeah. It is crazy. Do you even like the Tipping Point where it just went like berserk on the feed the first week. I joined as a moderator. When we went to all me you were the Tipping Point that fucked up the group. Well, I mean it went from from March 17th is when I became a moderator. We had 48 hundred members and March 24th. Seven days later. We had 7,000 members. Wow. Yeah, so that was it. I mean and I wasn't aware. I was like, it's normal that you have to you know, prove all these new members. And Pete was like know what it's like through. So yeah, you got to get a better body. Apparently Christie's doing something. I'm not I think that I know that you posted was kind of a close-up of your chest, which was your tank that you guys remember looking at chest out look at your chest to make different way than we were talking about. And so what was the half-century challenge and I see your tank top and rstudio didn't do it. So what it is you have to do 50 workouts and 12 weeks. I feel like I've done that. I'm not waiting we've Duncan now and I also see that you so what's the name of your studio? Again Lake Orion Lake Orion is the bomb because they gave you a yeti on the day after my birthday for 500 classes from Eric wood metal himself. Yes, right. Yes, totally. You have a cup that like every single person here at our studio. Once which is The 500 Club Yeti. I know that's why they're so awesome. And we get one for 100 Club 200 Club. So awesome and the you know the backpack for the 409. Yeah, they are. It's a that was a little controversy to on the main page. Yeah because not well we were in start shit about it would just come to me and say make me this and I would because the other Studios the coaches from the other Studios were getting mad, you know, because they thought it was making them look bad. Well, it should be 500 classes. That's pretty phenomenal Christy. Do one of the things we talked about a few times on the podcast did what sorry, what's your husband's name? And does he work out with you know, his name is Manny. Okay, so he doesn't How you how you how that conversation but it's like you know that problem no, no problem there. So true story and I went to so, you know, sir. Can we borrow a thousand plus calories a day or something shut up. And so we try and narrow like we had to get a conference call Saturn are like let's get a frosty so as we come over so we can get a Frosty and as we're coming back. I was like man this chick Christy were interviewing. She does a power walk at 7.30. I watched the video. I got it. I think it's for my job. It's crazy my legs just move that fast and it is that how you learned man Ian. No, it's just it's easy. I'm pretty sure this is beta breasts. Yeah. I have this don't do an incline when I'm doing it. So it's more considered a speed walk. Got it, huh? What is your time when I'm doing something that fast there's no incline. Okay, maybe I'm not but if I'm doing It's got the video on her pay it right? It's on your page Christie, right if yeah, it's on my page. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I mean, my base is 7 and 7 .5 s at running this. Yeah, like a nice basic walk for me is 5.0. That's my light push. Christy if I saw you power walking at 7.3. I would actually get you a fist pump and one of your memes the other day was actually very poignant, which is the high five to a fist pump or the disk for the completely. The people who dis you're still the the people who are offended by your memes. That's why exactly. Yeah, why own story and what motivates you to go each day, or how often do you go as fast at first I using a five times a week. Yes. What motivates you to do? I think it's actually more mental Than Physical for me. Okay, it gets me dying with my job and what I deal with it's just kind of a big relief and he let out a lot of steam and another part is the family there. I'm super close with my five a Emmer's how many people are in your father Hamlet there? Um, it's in range anywhere from 12 to 18. Got it people usually such a small class. Now, do you so I have to ask this question is very personal for me. Do you have RBF at 5 a.m. No, that's because nobody likes me. The one reason they liked me is because I kept showing up at 5 a.m. But I but I have bad RBF apparently, but they don't tell you this until you become friends and hosts a podcast together. I told you you have RBF. He died Christine. It's kind of a talent though. Yeah, I can't do it see Susan Howe skill sets on you. I don't believe it. Mmm Christy. I cannot demo you tip money. Ha ha ha. Her own person must be buying the Margaritas. He's making them. No, actually, you know what 40 because I'm a damn good. Yes Onan 4000. Yeah. She's going to Vegas cause she's never had to pay for drinks never once paid for any drink ever in Vegas Ever. Every time I get into a ginger politically. Correct argument always bring up Vegas and I win I don't think I've been in his argument. That's because you're in the men which meant I never pay for my drinks. So a Kristi. So so one of you in Vegas are y'all just picked Vegas? I'm pretty sure Florida. Yeah. Okay. We're just strictly business with the moderators. I mean we kind of And we do have a relationship but most of it is just how we're going to deal with this person, you know, and man, you know, it's amazing like that guy fell like his last name is OTF white like what are the odds? He became a gem number of TF and that's real fucking Phil little that's what he comes up with some really good names, but he's yes always on him, too. Posting memes that's for sure and he will call you out. So he's got big balls and he makes cookies. You're talking about Pete. Oh Pete. That's who you're talking about. I don't know. His last name is OTF white. What are the other ha ha ha ha someone makes cookies and corn to the gym to Orangetheory. Oh, you're in the same like Jim. No, I just met. I don't want because Sally post is the food. He's bringing fresh corn Chicago. He gets it from Wisconsin really Iowa either way. Yeah, we're traveling or were you in Michigan and had to get a cabin with a bow and arrow see I have some customers that are in your great state of Michigan and happened Thunder Bay. But yeah, I did have to Stay in a cabin with a with my co-workers told Christie about the future of wearable and be the air B&B. The feature was a bow and arrow. I love it. Wow keeps you humble. It does keep you humble. I had to share a bathroom with my coworker which was fine. That's totally fine. And we had to like get group dinners and stuff. It was actually pretty fun. But there's just no hotels around Thunder Bay. There's usually nothing and the sticks of Michigan, but that's where everyone goes for the vacations here, too. Yeah it Yeah, it was it was really pretty and I've been I have summered in Michigan before and it's actually better. It is awesome you go north of Michigan. You can actually breathe. That's what we call it. Hmm. Once you get Pat Garrett Drive past flint and you're safe. All right, Christie, we're getting close to the end. So I'm going to give you a couple questions here and just give me a quick answers grab it. Okay, so you wrap it or rabid wrap it Robin got it. So we have some Intel. Sorry before we close up about the girl who started this. Yes. I think she's in Brentwood, California. Yeah, you went to Vanderbilt. I mean people that can't happen. I'm just saying she's an RN and an OT F A holic Christie our researcher that we use for the podcast because Russian interns, no worries. I think we're to cover this, but I still want to know what your typical OTF studio time 5:00 a.m. Christine. You worked at Capital Grille. For over 15 years now. I think you said 17. What's your favorite cut of meat on the bone in ribeye? Oh, all right girl after my own sure. She's not kidding because she's such a troll. I do I eat my steak rare you guys are going up slivered almonds. Chris knew you were a trainer and we walked into the studio. What would your intro music they could Rock? We came up with the name because you know there. Yeah, so my dad my dad has really no idea like what I do for a real living. He tells me all the time. He's like go sell medical software and then he he always asks in the morning. He's like, how was your therapy? How was the orange therapy? So that's our name? That's how we got it. It's a good name. My mom asked me that the other day Ashley. She's like, how was your orange therapy and like mom is very spoiled. In the middle of Times Square or downtown Detroit, what would it be? Well, the only thing to Orange Theory that I would write on a billboard would be power patients patients fuck off. I wish I could Crispy Run roller left which the road row even though. I'm good at it. That's my strong stuff. But I hate it love hate relationship. What was your distance if Christian was asking this question he'd say, what was your time for the four-minute row? That's I will ask it. What was that? Okay. Well I didn't because I was not there that day which I usually show up for the Benchmark our signature, but I had other commitments. But I'm a more of a sprinter the longest. Okay, that's that's where I intend to tell the coach to fuck off. Did you do the 500 or 400 or 500 is 128 point to some girl get it? Okay, then we're strong and Christy if somebody wanted to get in touch with you that you would not want to tell to fuck off and that's the The Facebook means group, right? They can hit you up the names of our my personal Facebook. I've actually respond to everyone's messages. I get quite a bit. So we popular wow. How do they would be for the benchmarks were allowed to be posted or partner workouts were announced it was affecting their pay because people would can't because people wasn't coming in. They're like, I'm not gonna do you like super workout? Oh, I love it. I do too. I don't care who my partner is a drives me. I love a partner but our your butt Like sexual harassment suit against him. Are you no way Trey is one of them now. Yes. Yeah. No, I mean dude Rocco's the workouts. So you and who dude dude who I was paying attention until Brig put book. So we have a screen in front of us and we accuse putting your boobs on the side. I was doing great and yeah, we can go back to the balls on the back. Yeah, but on the way you're sitting down so Christy, do you have any idea in logistics of how these things fall out? Because I have them and I can't figure it out. Yeah, I think it's just going to be elephantitis of the balls. It's thanks for joining us. I need a little cooking on it. Yeah, Christie re going to Vegas. I'm not sure yet. That's kind of a what is it next year that they're planning it. Would your husband say about it if you just if you just went alone. Oh, no problems. Yes. Is that seriously as you can spare a cozy Portuguese? He's Mexican Well, I don't know you said we were Portuguese name. I'm not a very smart man. Are they a little bit brighter s thank you guys for having me. We really love the group. Yes. Good will keep posting some memes for us. Yeah. Well do that darkening trade of I want to see some good ones that are you guys. You got it. All right there also post them show that gets moderated just so yeah, we're going to get them I do any post and I'd be like, yeah, we can't put that in. Oh my God. Damn. I'll try again. I'll try to find two balls next. Talk to you later. in the county and sell clock six the grips with

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Yeah, and we'd love to hear if you guys actually got anything out of our first rambley episode. I think Roxanne's is a bit more defined a bit more. Yeah. What's the word cohesive? So yes, I don't think the first episode wasn't is telling of what the rest of the season is going to be. So sorry if you enjoyed it all so I'm glad that you enjoyed this video, but from here on out there episodes are a bit more. Strawberryland instruction. That's the word. Yeah, very negative about it. Yes. So without further Ado, this is our episode with Roxanne tan So to start off the party and we have some quick fire questions to ask you so don't straighten. The first one is what are your three Pantry Staples? It will have to be peanut butter noodles and bread flour. All right, what kind of knows that's a broad all sorts of all sorts of noodles noodles, like makes life so much better true. It's yeah, very nice. I think we've had Flower ever know that's a good one because you can still use it for other things. Yeah. Yeah, like there's a certain kind of you know, like the good bread flours good like yeah, and I have this cheapest. No no and the reason why is because like making bread is my son of modern day yoga. It's sort of my meditation because you really get back to sort of hand making stuff it sort of lie silent protest against 21st century fast-paced life. I love it. Yeah. So do you slow down? Make bread nice. Well, I think that you've already answered question to which is what's your go-to self-care strategy making making breads. Is there any other things that stand out to you is like taking time out and looking up looking after yourself though. Yeah, so that would probably be that me time. We were talking about allowing time to enjoy yourself and to reflect by yourself. And yeah, just that that time that you spend distressing and taking care of you. What is your favorite go-to party dish by it to think long and hard about this one is probably my most recent given my poor memory. So it's Bao buns with sticky pork or beef ribs. Yeah. How do you make your ribs? Do you slow cook them or dislike them and the Bao buns I get my partner gray to make them. So he was rolling out all these little bow buns and they're all little bit distorted and misshapen, but it adds. Rusty stick love it. Nice. What's the most memorable party that you've thrown or attended? Best event? Probably any water balloon party that I threw the kids wake up really early fill up a hundreds of water balloons and then it would open up the half-and-half. This Full House water balloon party was up here like the back, you know in Malaysia, so we had like a fully non-carpeted like everything was child everything. Was non-water damageable. Yeah, and yeah, just had those water balloons. Are you amazing? Yeah, and what are you currently in to podcasts tedx and probably have been for the last probably 24 months or so. I probably listen to more than 300 or 400 podcasts or tedx talks because I'm that intense with what I do anyone for a time for that. Holy view my current thing. Have you got a favorite each? Hmm? Yes, I do podcast is probably Modern Love or terrible things for asking so they generally go into the concepts of human psyche why people behave the way they behave or things like people stories of resilience and experiences. So I really like to listen to them because I think the challenge you as an individual to grow. Yeah, that's alrighty. Well, I guess we should get into the bulk of the episode. But before we do, do you mind introducing yourself telling us a little bit about what you do where you like your journey to where you are now, basically, yeah, so my name is Roxanne tan. I'm a food industry nutritionist. That's implied Australia. So simple Australia does Brands like John Wes Legos bird's eye and agile and what do I do on a day-to-day? Basis? Was that the question? Yeah, or just like, how you Ended up in this role how you got there? Yeah. So how I ended up there was a week before my final exam was hurt when I got the role. So I was applying during my final exams and I always knew I wanted to work in food industry, but when this opportunity came up, I just thought why not let's just go for it. And next thing you knew I sort of landed up in some pot. Yeah, so it was a like a timing. I think that led me to Simplot but what I do on a date Today basis various a lot. So in a food industry role you probably think food Rex and compliance and stuff like that. And yes that's definitely part of the job. But a lot of it's also extremely as projects. So things like working on recipe books nutrition insights from the leading papers that are coming up from global nutrition research throughout the world or what's trending at the moment to have things like nutrition through marketing cleanse validation and even Development it's nice and spicy it. All right. Well done. I guess that kind of tough nicely interns because our first question was so you completed a bachelor of Commerce and then a bachelor of nutrition science, which is our lives and I met you and do you mind talking a bit about I guess what you majored in Commerce and why you didn't follow I think you've mentioned before is that typical Commerce par accounting? The grad way and shifted into nutrition and how the two of kind of modern together nicely in terms of looking at Trends and stuff in your current role. Yeah, so I probably realized or knew very early on that. I had a love for nutrition and food as early as my high school days, but to be honest my parents did deter me from nutrition telling me Herring stories of how difficult it was to get a job. So I follow it through on a more quote on quote stable job or job. Which was into accounting and finance and commerce and through that Commerce degree did things like economics marketing Finance? So during that degree halfway during that degree. I thought to myself life is too short to not follow through with what you really want to be doing sure. I could be doing accounting and finance but it's not what really really makes me tick. It's not you know, you don't go. Woo a kantian whereas, you know when you see pretty white mmmm Food. Yeah. Yeah, so I think halfway during it. I thought I'm gonna I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go for it. But I was already two years into my Commerce degree. So I thought I'm going to finish this Commerce degree because I know that it is very transferable in terms of skills in terms of knowledge in terms of how businesses work, which of course then came in handy when I came into food industry. I think it's like great that you've been able to give yourself in as a nutritionist that edge in having that. Greyhound do you think the in your current role? That has kind of really helped you thrive like in like having both of those degrees Yeah, so I'll be completely honest but knowing again, it's contentious the Commerce degree has helped me but only because I've also had a very strong business mindset from the very very GetGo. So it's hard to save. It's my Commerce degree all that business mind itself. So it's definitely helped me understand in terms of how businesses run what things business. Have to deal with from a financial profit perspective how the economy Works things like that. But in saying that I also know a lot of very successful nutritionist and dietitians that work in the food industry that have had no Commerce training but have had learned on the job and Thrive so I don't think it's essential but it gave me an edge from the start if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And do you think that your nutrition degree would have if you the only done that prepared you well enough for what you're currently doing. Probably not. I think as a nutrition student wanting to go into food industry. You have to be selective in what you then pursue outside your nutrition degree. So if you're interested in food industry, you might look into things like what are the trends in that food companies are into what are the new product development at starting to roll on the shelves. How does that all work? So I think I'm just a nutrition degree alone. Probably would have not been able to set you up. As a student, I think it's that stuff that you seek out that knowledge that you learn by yourself, but it doesn't have to be through a formal degree. Yeah thing that comes with any job as well. So you've got to be specifically fit industry. For example, if you're not paying attention to what's actually happening in the market and you're focused on your biochemistry in your basic physiology. That's a bad thing, but it doesn't translate well because it shows forgive me if I'm wrong, but you don't have that whole round of View of how the food industry is actually functioning of that make sense. Like you've got to make it a drive yourself to research that. Yeah, exactly. Right and also beyond that is that everything that you do even in a nutrition role at food company has to ultimately Drive the overall business objective. So all businesses run to one feed people and also to make a profit. So ultimately whatever you do from a nutrition perspective has some how roll up into that bigger picture. So if you understand, how that bigger picture works then you're more able to fine-tune the things you do as a nutrition team or nutritionists as an initiative in the company to help drive that for the business and do you find well, I guess there's a bit of a misconception sometimes about nutritionists and dietitians working in the food industry and Almost like they're seeing is Playing devil's advocate in a way do find that an issue with your work. Do you find that Health isn't always the Forefront of what you're doing that sort of like that that sort of space. I guess never did that very well. But anyway, I think you did a great job, but maybe I'm probably going to put this one back on you guys if you think about the stigma. Of working in food is food industry. What words pop in your mind? I think for me because I did or food industry placement. I don't see it in a certain way. Like I understand it plays a role and that look for me and my placement was food rape was purely food reg looking at nutrition information panels. So I suppose to me again Health wasn't at the Forefront. It was definitely more of almost at legal compliance side, but that didn't necessarily mean it was a bad thing like to me it was like with look at that nutrition information pedal and go What Claims can we make off this come and go back to p d and T and say can we manipulate a product to increase its protein content by this much and therefore it can be a seen as a source of protein and that can be translated to the public as you know, there is a source of protein like that's a very overall picture but I've never I don't think I felt that it was an issue, but I think coming out of uni, I've seen it there's a bit of contrast I guess. And I think like for me doing not doing a nutrition degree doing a nutrition and dietetics degree. Yeah food, like industry was never shown to me as an option. And I think that's telling itself in like you're a dietitian. That's not your job, which is fine. I think like it's a great position for a nutritionist to be and if that's you know, that's what you're trying to do and we are into a certain capacity as well. But just the way that the courses and things are structured. I wasn't really like I never it never even crossed my mind to enter food industry and then people like you guys were doing these place inside. That's really cool that you're having this impact. Yeah, but I don't really feel like my great would have prepared me at all for that industry. Yeah, which I think is like, yeah telling itself of the way that it's just not even an option. Yeah a dietitian guy. Yeah. It's not health-related kind of space around it but not specifically set. Yeah, so by association that it therefore becomes less positive. Yeah. Because you're not promoted to do that role. So some words are probably heard around working in the food industry a probably a very polarizing words sell out is probably one or slave to big business or not a true nutritionist or dietitian and I disagree with all of that. I'm sure for the very GetGo because if somebody asks, what's the ultimate goal of nutritionist and dietitians all of us what the ultimate goal is to improve nutritional? Tight right no matter what right? Hell yeah. Hell yeah, right see it and one way to do that is through improving food supply. Yeah, and what better way to do that than to be in those companies improving the food supply. So you firsthand see exactly what it takes from The Growers to the manufacturers the factory hands to the product development people to the logistic teams, even the man of love and hard work. It takes to go into that food and ultimately how how you can have an impact within that company to improve that food. So I think ultimately we are all on the same side and definitely yeah, I think it's a bit of a shame that there's been a little bit of a you versus me mentality. I still think there's a good thing about having Public Health people push for good Outcast because again, we need them to keep us accountable But ultimately food industry nutritionists and dietitians are hired to keep the company accountable and nutrition and corporate responsibility. Ability and I think it is almost like actually put your boss came in and talked to us at one point and said that it almost is a public health role. You're you're influencing the way that people are eating like you said and it's just without them knowing yes changing the way that they're consuming food. And if you can reduce something, I think her example was salt in some chips and crackers or something that that can affect the lives of so many people and therefore, you know, it's like small steps but in the end it can really improve. Prove the health of the public. Yes, I think is a great way of looking at yeah. So for example, some pot nutrition strategies to improve a hundred thousand tons of product that feeds a lot of people. Yeah, so by improving that volume of products you again doing the health by stuff like he was saying bran. It's reducing it without people knowing is so I think ultimately it may not necessarily seem like a glamorous job, but it actually really is it's really Exciting place to work. I think you really have a really big impact review if you know what to do. And also then you get exposure to the things like marketing nutrition through marketing and what can you do? What shouldn't you do is so there's always going to be a case of Ethics. What are you comfortable doing? And what are you not but I think if you hold yourself to a high regard or you keep your ethics strong then working in food industry is a really great place to be. Yeah. And I think like just reflecting on it from my standpoint in terms of working one-on-one with clients and things pit having people like you working in those Industries gives me the reassurance that I can recommend that product for example without having any affiliation with the brand knowing that there's thought that's gone into it and it makes navigating that consumers decisions a little bit easier, which we don't we don't really think about when we're talking to someone about food. But if you know that you're in an environment that's safe and effective and he's going to give them good nutritional options that's going to make it a lot easier for the client to kind of improve their own health at an individual level. But then also at a population level because that's your food supply. Yeah. So it makes it like without directly working together. It is all intertwined. Yeah, and the way that yeah we practice that's a really good point too because again, I think original before I started working food industry. I had a very Purest method of cooking and eating and I think part of that is being a millennial flying into that trend of you know, wholesome living farmers markets doing things that's natural as you can wearing linen having canvas bags and I still probably have and do a lot of those but in terms of the sense that a lot of people also it's not that's not achievable for a lot of people. Yeah. And in reality the purest lifestyle is probably applies to a very small Percentage of the population that's very and it we had conversations off Mike about this but its controversial but it's quite elitist. Yeah. It's only a like you say a subset of the population that can achieve that and you've got you've got to be in quite a privileged position to be able to be in a space to think about that. Let alone actually do it. So if you can sort of come down the back end and help improve that sort of stuff. To apply to a larger population level you're essentially making again those small steps doing a lot of little things in perfectly to add up to making it perfect. Basically. Yeah being a nutritionist and being a millennial. I think it's hard not to sometimes buy into that lifestyle because that's what people expect us to portray. Yes. Sometimes I think but yeah, I think there's a place where every food it's just frequency and knowing how to interact with those Foods Mmm Yeah. It makes I think yeah just reflecting on From a consumer what you just makes it so much easier to like access good food. Yes, because you know, that's all what we really want from for our clients and for our populations. So, you know, obviously that that's necessary job and needs to like work needs to be done. So, yeah, I think it's awesome that we can kind of work collaborative collaboratively in that way without actually directly working together. Yeah, but all those little bits of the puzzle I get that fit into these larger picture that is harder to improve. People's Health which is a complex complex issue only exactly and like I think something that is a big conversation is just food access in general and if people are going to supermarket which were often painted in a certain sort of light not necessarily positive if you can influence that chain and how that product sit on the shelves then I think you've captured a very large audiences Health personally. I think it's really important. Yeah, and that's also in If at home space so outside in supermarkets at the whole part of food industry that works in meals outside home so meal that you would eat at a hotel or a restaurant like the beautiful brunch. We were having this morning their food that's food industry behind all those selling the raw ingredients or half prepaid or whatever. It is food to those places. Then that gets serve back to you when you finally eat it at the Restaurant level. So that's this whole side of food industry that people have a demon realize this out there. There's a giant opportunity first improve. Do you find that frustrating that it's I guess it was sort of talking about that misconception. I guess at the food industry. Do you find it frustrating that people might underestimate your role and the power of the food industry in a positive way not in a capitalist way. Yeah. Yeah, I think not so much. I'm quietly happy knowing what I do makes an impact and the and yes there needs to be work on helping people understand what it is the full extent of what we do. We don't just reduce salt. And reduce sugar that's not all what we do. We look to help Foods retain the most nutritional value once it gets picked and harvest it all the way down to being frozen or packed or can whatever it is. We help it get to where it needs to be. So as the whole bigger picture of what we do and again in Food Service, it's like making foods that are suitable for schools or universities that comply by guidelines things like that as a whole bunch of things that we we do do that people don't realize I'm secretly happy and myself knowing that I do those things and it's very stimulating to be able to be exposed to so many elements of food in different settings. But yeah, I think there is work to be done. So obviously in your role it's a huge benefit that you are a nutritionist but are there other people working around you that are not qualified in nutrition in a similar role or do you have to be a nutritionist or dietitian to be doing what you're doing in my role? Yes, but it's interesting because both nutritionists our dietitians can do that role equally alike because we're all trained in nutrition science and also have done components of Public Health degrees. So we understand how food is made or Foods. Stems and how to nutritionally improve foods. But yeah, so it has that flexibility of being either nutritionist or dietitian. What why you didn't do dietetics. Yeah. Nice. I always knew I wanted to work in the food industry. And because I saw how many people I could impact by working in that role personally, the one-on-one consultations doesn't suit my personality. So I was automatically inclined or lean towards the bigger picture thinking which is food industry. So I never wanted to do it. But yeah, so it's really interesting because I was always off it to do dietetics - it's almost seen like see. In the industry in the department, even as the natural progression you do nutrition degree. Then you go on to do dietetics Euro dietitian now and that's almost that's what makes you the expert in New York and was italic qualification. There's almost a stigma around staying a nutritionist because I think it comes down to for me personally. It comes down to the regulation around the title dietitian and nutritionist like you can kind of do a lot less and call yourself a nutritionist but being a registered nutritionist and having that degree behind you. You is so valuable and it's equal in its own right to die tedx, but it's not seen as that. Yeah, so I didn't do dietetics because I thought to myself I'm don't want to work in clinical. I don't want to go down that path. So why would I waste my time doing something? That won't serve me in the career path? I have chosen. Yeah. So I agree with you there definitely is a hierarchy where dietetics is a A qualification that nutrition is if you want to do those jobs. However, if you're working in public health or food industry, I still think that nutritionist and dietitians do the same job therefore. Why would I spend an extra year of my time doing a dietetics degree when I don't need that career skills to me. I think there there is this disjoint between first of all, why are we old funnel neck funnel next bottlenecked collect funneled by note into doing a dietetics degree shouldn't they be more of a question of You can do this in nutrition as a field and to do these things. You need to be a dietitian to do these things. You can be a nutritional. Yeah and really pull apart those roles. Well, so people don't just go down the dietetics route and then realize their pigeonholed into something clinical. Yeah. Yeah, and I was going to say like the degree that you did both of you did equips you much better to work in food industry than the degree that I did just keep touching on we said before like I had no experience with food industry I didn't Have any sort of yeah, as I said, no, there wasn't it wasn't presented as an option to me. But the way that you guys would given placement in that area and a lot more kind of background knowledge for it. That would have much better equipped you for your job. Then my degree did yeah, which isn't a bad thing because obviously we're working in very different areas. But like it's just nice that you've been able to find that place but there's still such a stigma around the term nutritionist. Yeah. Yeah, so the question then falls back on you guys. Really? What do you think about again you Liza you were saying about dietitians and nutritionists and registered nutritionist. Do you think there is a hierarchy or and who imposes that hierarchy I think it comes from it's hard to put your finger on it because it's sort of a societal thing but within the nutrition industry, so because as a dietitian you're registered with the DEA a you're an APD You know, you've met this set of Standards you're credited. I think that gives dietitians a certain. Yeah, like that's what I am. This is what I do and you have to fight for that role because in society people aren't aware of what a dietitian like from just from my personal experience. They don't know what a dietitian does and so we're constantly having to sort of set ourselves a side and above other people who are qualified in nutrition not terms of saying I'm better than a nutritionist but he is my specific skill set. And here's what I'm qualified to do where a nutritionist is not on the flip side as I just said, you're so much more qualified to work in food industry than I am. So, you know, I don't think that should be a hierarchy but they're in especially in the nutrition industry itself its kind of seen as this way and then I think that as well translates into dietetics at a like a smaller level in the Action that clinical nutrition working in a hospital setting is the gold standard in which we've talked about endlessly this podcast because it's not right for everyone and there's hardly any jobs in that area. So like if we can kind of take a step back and look at it from you know, we can work together and we're just as valuable to society and useful as each other. Why wouldn't we like, why do we need to see ourselves as more? Less yeah, it's just silly. But yeah, and I think in terms of looking at nutritionist as in the term nutritionist and registered being registered and having a degree because there's very little regulation around that term it's hard for especially nutritious people like yourself to put yourself apart from people who haven't done that degree. Yeah, and so we're constantly both in both Industries having to fight for our title because The bodies the represent us a perhaps not quite there yet in terms of communicating to the public what we're qualified to do and what our roles are. Mmm. I don't know if that kind of so some of that is imposed you're saying by ourselves. Yeah an attempt to make a roll or to elevate our own field. We have separated into levels and dietitian as one of those levels and nutritionist is one of those levels but When a both are qualified, we actually like you said work in different areas of the food system towards the same goal. So that's definitely one is not better than the other. It's just different. Yes. Yeah, and so for the listener the main difference between a nutritionist and a dietitian is that a dietitian has the clinical training to apply nutrition science in a clinical setting so applying it to an individual or to a specific population and coming up with specific. Cific advice that will allow that person or population to improve their nutritional status. It's more likely it's looking at it more. Clinically whereas a nutritionist is qualified in nutrition science and they're taught basically to see the bigger picture. And so that's why I nutrition is much more suited to food industry where they're influencing things at a they're looking at the food. We're looking at the person basically that's a great distinction. I think it's that we have that skill fit. I think the AA call it dietary counseling like dietary therapy is essentially what the waiting that they've used and I think there's this Association that that's somehow better because it's one-on-one. Yeah, personable skills the whole lot that comes with that but that I think it's an equal playing field. I don't think it's it might be more translatable to the person who needs it exactly. But what about the people who don't or can't afford that access or they haven't even thought about it. They don't know what a dietitian is like, it's great that we're all on the same level and that nutritionist can also play a role but just in a different way. Yeah and like You and your role as a nutritionist, you're never going to need that skill of nutritional like dietary counseling. No because it's you're never going to use it. And so why bother spending that extra money on a master's degree just to do the same role. Yeah and perhaps not as effectively because you've not had that food industry placement. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's definitely worth. For The Listener thinking about the value that you personally place on like titles in this industry because we all have our role to play and we're all working towards the same goal. So if you hadn't known that you want it to go into food industry. Would you have thought about doing the Masters? Because I know for people that I met through uni with they weren't sure and myself included in what I wanted to do. I was quite young I knew that I wanted to work in nutrition, but I wasn't sure where so I did the math. Is to get myself into more debt and skill set just in case it was literally just a back-up plan in case I figured that I did want to do I didn't want to go and study another 15 years or whatever. It was. Do you think had you not yet had you not only want to do food industry. Would you have done the Masters? I think yes. Yeah just because for the extra versatility of the degree and like you said just an extra year and a half would then allow me to do so many other things. If I hadn't had known and if I wasn't sure I would have done the deities degree yet. However again with my my sub set of skills in Commerce and nutrition it was already pretty sure yeah, and I thought if I didn't end up working in nutrition, they're all other areas. I could Branch out into in the commercial world that could still help me apply nutrition in a broad sense. So luckily I was sure about your right if I wasn't sure I would have probably have picked the Master's Degree as well, but even Is again speaking anecdotally friends who didn't know what they wanted to do and finished after nutrition science have ended up in the food industry. No laughing it. Like they just sort of took what opportunities came to them and they've stumbled into an area that I've loved and it's not by planning or any force or anything but it's just something that's happened. And I think this house is on a whole different conversation, but it's that there's so much pressure to plan and have the perfect career but sometimes we forget those serendipitous. Moments of just stumbling into something can be just as rewarding in your career as planning. It can be for others. Yeah, I agree. You have to be very flexible. Especially this day and age is it's pretty competitive and hard to get a job and a full-time stable one at that. So I think the more that we then realize that yeah, I'm going to try different things and I might enjoy it. Is it probably the way to go these days? Mmm? Yeah, and I mean just on a side note, like of course the Unis going to prompt you to do your Masters because it's more money for them. Yeah, like it just makes sense. Right? And that's why I think people forget that yes universities are great social experience, but in the end it's a business as well. Yeah, they want your money and that's not it's just the way that the world is gone. It's not something that we can fix and there is definitely that pressure to have higher education for a job. But at the same time you've got to take that step back and go sometime people didn't do them asked is because they're like, that's a lot of Money that I don't feel comfortable paying back later on and that's totally fine. That's something that people don't often consider where a lot of the people who go into the nutrition and dietetics areas are quite privileged and are able to go to university can afford to stay out of home and do a cause but that's not the case for everyone. So you've got to step back and think about that big a live picture as well. Not just Korea. Mmm. Well said, yeah and I mean looking at it in terms of Whether that is going to get you a good career, like you've got a great career and you happen to like, you know, like in comparison to where I'm working at the moment. You're much more established in your role. And your you're doing really well for yourself. And I've kind of had that realization post graduating that maybe what I've done not that it was wrong for me and I'm like, I feel like dietetics perfectly suited to me but that I've kind of had to take a back route in my own way to sort of get to where I can. Myself being later on but you know, you've landed yourself a great job and you're doing well at it. So why bother, you know wasting an extra year and a half studying something you're not going to use. Yeah. So like we've talked about all we've mentioned about I guess that involving self-care and involving work-life balance that you've kind of had that's naturally and flowed throughout University and your job now, Do you think that's changed I suppose more than we've talked about in terms of that self-care stuff. And how does that mirror with sort of what you're like, it's cool like different stages of your life. I suppose. Yeah. Okay. So this can we several parts of that question? Thank you. We're going a while back. So probably about 10 years ago when I was in high school, I didn't probably have a very good self-care routine. I think it was And the time I think it was it was just when self-care with sound to become a thing so it wasn't well known back there. It's or something right or no and you're so young and so absorbed into how to do well with school how to fit in with your friendship groups. I don't think you take time to recognize the uniqueness of you as an individual. You look more to blend in and how to be cool as a already realized concept as opposed to investigating the notion of of your true self and how that special and why people would then want to hang out with you so over time how that's evolved was. I guess I recognized a need to know who I was first and to back away from what people were saying that you should be and to to self explore and when I start up to self explore then I realized the importance of spending time with myself for that because you you don't just learn about Self once and then you close the book. It's sort of an evolving thing. Yeah, I think you've changed so much again. We were talking about that before but you changed so much so you constantly have to look into yourself and ask yourself. Sometimes those questions 10 20 times in the span of years just to make sure that those things haven't changed your values haven't changed what you want is probably different over that time from what you were when you were in high school to what you are ordering University to what you want as As an adult working. So I think it's just rammed up for me the importance of that. So I spend more and more time these days reflecting and being with myself for that reason. And do you think there was a point where it was like a switch that flicked in terms of Baptists became a thing that you did or was it sort of more of a process of you just began enjoying that time by yourself and It's Beginning doing it more and more and then that became a priority what was that I guess Journey kind of like that Journey probably came from a place of what is true happiness stupid. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm taking this to that level but again coming from the history that I've come from having a long very long standing with depression for over probably 10 years to me. It always intrigued me the notion of how to truly be happy. So I think When I wondered what makes one person happy then I realized it's not a formula that you apply to every person's life and that you will all achieve our Venus What happiness means? Everybody is so unique and so different and takes a lot of time to procure and to really nail down what makes one person happy and another person happy. Yes. I think that's what it came from. Just the need to make sure that Julie I was a really really strong place then it's difficult being a woman being a young woman and 21st century. So really understanding the true value of women female empowerment or empowering the youth for example, I know you could be young you can be female but still really have some really strong ideas really know yourself really. Well you really confident in what you do? So I think that all tied into becoming an Adult really. How did you how did you get to the point where you realize that this is what you needed in yourself to be happy. Mmm. How do I get yeah, how do I get to that point? That's such a strange question sometimes because I think for me was getting better or the alternative was Bleak. So I had already spoiled to to the lowest of low points. So for me it was there was only one way up. Yeah, so and then I started to explore those things like those Notions like true happiness vulnerability creativity women Powerman and that is Became this first for learning like this. You just get so absorbed into wanting to know more and what do other people go through in their lives because everybody experiences their own profound Journeys to self-identity. And how was that father people? So I think I think like you said, it was just like a Snowball Effect one thing led to another and I just wanted to know more and more and more and I'm just such a curious creature that I think. It led to this love for for human. Connectivity Yeah, Mmm Yeah, and we talked a bit about it off here. But like it's really nice that you've kind of come to this place that you're now feeling not necessarily that it's through your current work. Yeah, but that you're motivated to help other people with see that mmm because like I mean for me as well throughout high school and you know even early in uni, you're not really giving that kind of support in terms of All development and really like yes, we talked reflect reflective practice, but not necessarily in the sense of what's actually best for us. And so I think a lot of us have this kind of moment not necessarily like a Breaking Point, you know, suddenly you realize but like over time as we age you kind of realize that You've got so much more potential, which is really nice. Yeah, and I think that's good that you've been able to recognize that but still also be very effective in the roles that you've done in the projects that you've worked on. Yeah, but it kind of just drives you anything. But yeah, I think it does and a part of that is probably confidence. Mmm. So as you learn more about yourself and you get older like you were saying you start to solidify who you are. So who ran a fee is who like that? Yes, you know you really You had a better understanding and then when that comes confidence and when you're confident in what you put out into the world is so much better received because people can they believe you when you say you can do something because you're confident in yourself. So I think that helps in any setting Private Practice food industry because you're working against people that are older than you and have years and years and years of experience. And yes, you always have to be humble and still learn from them. But you saw the need that element of I know what I'm doing. I'm confident that I've done the degree I needed to I've got the skills. I needed to announce about how to fine-tune that and learn through doing. Yeah. Well, that's really nice. I'm glad that you've been able to have that journey and get to that point because it I think really valuable for The Listener to hear that because it's a path that we all have to go on but no one's Journey looks the same as each other as you know, like we're all exposed to different stimuli and different things that cause the way that we think and the way that we act so it's nice to know that that's normal to kind of have to have that growth and then is undervalued as well in terms of how it can develop like you said across so many other areas of life. It's not just you Korea it. It's the progresses you as a person and the way that you interact with other people and the way that you are able to form relationships that are meaningful because you know what's meaningful to you. It's that sort of mutual understanding of where that sits in the world and where that sits with you as well. I think yeah. Can I ask what you both think is the mental health state of New graduates of nutrition and dietetics graduates. Like what do you think? It's so bad? Yeah, and I think in dietetics, especially actually probably more so Nutrition science. There's just not really the support there in terms of Like that Innovative you need to go out and do what you want to do. There's kind of this expectation you graduate you go and do what you're sort of told to do which is really damaging because it's top secret spy and I want to do it. Yeah, exactly and it felt like I think that's what this podcast was born out of was that you've got 200 plus graduates for dietetics alone. I can't imagine how many nutrition graduates they were there are and You literally you've got you've had a whole degree planned out for you and you've gotten everything thought about you've got vague ideas of what you want to do. Then you just let out into the world and it's like the stories that we were told at the end of my degree. Anyway was the master story was that they were working in retail for the next year because they can't find a job and like that was just sort of seen as that was what was going to happen. And yes that may be the case, but you're not I think mentally, yes, you can prepare yourself for it. But for me, especially it home after I finished and after I was working at a cafe for six months going I've got a master's degree and I'm still making coffee for people which in itself to me. I needed that six months off and it was very to me making coffee or super therapeutic, but it's not the same for everybody and it's not something that gives me. Fulfillment in the way the working in my area that I want to work in dance. Hmm and I can speak for a lot of people that they get down in the dumps for want of a better term after finishing no matter if they did nutrition science or dietetics and sometimes that can happen a couple of years after they're finished what happened straight away. It's a big we've talked a lot about existentialist crisis. It's it's a big mental battle because you've got to consider the fact that you're in x amount of debt that you also want a job just to keep your life like living standards, but you also want to do something in the area that you're trained in and you kind of got to find some sort of Middle Ground between the three because you know that for your own mental health, you want to work in the area that you want to work in that you trained in you can't always it sort of this constant Battle of what was the point of going to UNI for four and a half years if I'm not going to I don't think that are yeah and I think for me like there was a big moment of I have all of these ideas and all this education behind me. It is no job in existence that fits what I want to do and how I can see myself having the best possible outcome in terms of social change and like my my impact. So I think it's really disheartening as a new grad to kind of it's like cool we're done. Now what yeah and then to be told he's the gold standard of clinical nutrition or whatever, you know, here's what a dietitian or nutritionist does, but I don't feel like That's hitting our full potential. We have so much more behind us than that in terms of our education around the social determinants of health and Industry for you guys, but we're not really told how to integrate that into our roles and I think wherever like a lot of us, wherever we end up we end up being able to find a way to bring our personal beliefs into it, but it's really hard to navigate which is kind of sad. So once you advise them to new grads, I think to me the best advice. I was just take a break. Hmm. I'm really really grateful that I took six months off and to be fair. I'm in a very privileged position where I was able to live at home and didn't have to pay rent or pay bills and not so and when I say I took six months off I still worked basically full-time any caffeine didn't it? Well, I'm hiring in things but I just wasn't doing something you want to say something about. Yeah, because I'd been at school since prank like I've been learning since prank, but it really took me that six months to appreciate how Much. I really enjoyed learning like you said a couple of times in really? Reflect on where I wanted to go with my career. I think it's very undervalued. I think I keep saying that in this podcast like the I generally think some of these things are that that point of self-reflection like you said can give you so many more insights into what you want to do and how you want to work and how you want the rest of your life to pan out then if you just keep churning through a system that you've been told to churn through. Yeah, and like it doesn't have to happen straight away like the I mean same for me like I took my current job because I saw it as Except a step sideways in terms of as learning the admin side of Private Practice so that I could apply it laid down the track if I chose to go out on my own but I've still got in so much. It's a very rewarding job to do even though it's like a support role. It's not anything, you know, I'm not directly influencing patients behavior and stuff, but I think it's really important to notice the value of having that moment of stepping away from the industry having a bit of self-reflection and being able to then learn from that and decide what you want to do and how you're going to get there. What would you say because I suppose you've had a bit of an atypical a typical Journey. Yeah, so I haven't stopped since prep. I've had I had a week in between my final exams and my Simplot job. Yeah, so it was yeah it was on the go. I didn't take a break between Commerce and nutrition signs, but I think part of that was my own. Like my own craving for peace signing it to keep the ball going. I needed to know what's next how to do it. And that's just my personality at this point in time. So I need to know how to get there. What's my next step Let's do. Let's do it. Let's do it. And I think it's you know, it's sometimes a little bit unrealistic but I've been very fortunate enough to be able to make to pull that off for myself my advice to new grads it be to be creative. Like you said Liza. Sometimes we don't fit into a box we Do all these things but there's no job that marries those up for us. So like what you guys are doing with your podcasts, you know, you take what your love the things you put them together and you've test them out and you try to create new avenues for yourself and while the not might not you know, automatically make you millionaires overnight. It's waste to explore that while doing something else on the side and then and then see where that career path. Takes you on purpose at some point those things converge and you might find something really rewarding that combines those things. But yeah, it's difficult because in terms of mentorship if you're if you're going out as a new grad and there's nobody that can model that career path for you. Then you have to be a Pioneer. Yeah, it takes a lot of courage and a lot of strength and being comfortable with failing a million times. And so I think resilience is probably the biggest one don't let The idea of failure stop you from trying as a new grad. Don't be afraid for Pine for roles that you think might be related to nutrition but not fully what you might be might not be called a nutritionist or dietitian job, but, you know in corporate quality or product development or nutrition marketing or going in through that way through marketing route. Just don't be afraid to Pigeon, but don't pigeonhole yourself and don't be afraid to try new things. And be very resilient through it all so it doesn't get to you because Kate through all of this is mental health. Yeah, you uphold your mental health and what's good for you? Yeah and try new things and like you say we've had a chat off are about the fact that the careers female-dominated. I think that's pretty obvious. And I guess that the trouble you're not the trouble but the challenge of that is that often women will have kids or it can really put a stint in the length of your career, right? S as a female, which is entirely different podcast that we can talk about but I suppose as someone who has been out for a couple of years and definitely had more working experience in the two of us. How do you view The length of a nutrition career or have you been around people who have managed to sustain a nutritional Korea for an extensive amount of time and one of they've done to achieve that I guess. Yeah. I've got both sides of the coin on this one. So I've got people that I know that been working 20 25 years and food industry and have managed to sustain this amazing nutrition career that I become a nutrition manager. For example, like Kim my manager at Simplot or then you People like Jim O'Hanlon who's done lots of different things in food industry and probably has had what 15 your career. Yeah Infernus tree as well. So she's also done really really well, but then I've also seen people that have transitioned out of nutrition because again, there are limits in terms of how many nutrition jobs that they can be out there and at some point you hit a ceiling of how high you can necessarily reach, so it's up to you. Ooh them decide if you want to stay that nutrition course or if you want to maybe progress to something else that might be more rewarding in terms of career progression nutrition can be quite flat. It's often like here. You've got your grades. You've got your basic level then you put your managers. It's also pretty sort of flat. There's not much room for yet progression. Yeah. It's not many steps, especially in the more traditional roles were like hmm clinical dietetics. For example, like you go. You got a new grad job in your hospital you go through your grades. And then that's it. Yeah, like there's not really unless you're going into like managerial positions. You're not really progressing and even in that higher level position you're not Like obviously, I don't know if you're not having that much more of an impact in terms of progressing the industry. Yeah. Yes. No, I think that's fair to say I think a lot of nutrition managers would in hospitals for example would say that they don't get much patient contact. They do a lot of the admin side of things and advocating and funding and all that sort of stuff which is which is important understand that but it whether or not everyone stimulated by that and knows that that's where the clinical letter gets you I don't know if that message is out there. So I understand where you're coming from rocks in saying that it's very flat. Yeah, there is only so far you can go and where did that matches up with your personal values or not? You just have to think about that and we're not we're not told about that. I don't know and then that's why you have that lateral step but we were always talking about whether you go from the food industry to Public Health Public Health to food industry and a clinical dietetics to food industry or one of the other. There's that lateral pathway that sometimes you can jump to To add breath into your career and just to change it up for yourself to make your career of more rewarding but then I've also seen nutrition has that gone into marketing and that's been amazingly brilliant because then you learn how to Market Health to the consumers in. Yeah get into the mind of the consumers. Now how powerful is that? That's why I'm comment. I know there's a couple of people at lion who have done that like that. It just sidestepped entirely and say I don't work in dietetics anymore. I'm a marketing manager. So it's pretty pretty cool. So I think Look like again, I think don't limit yourself. So nowhere see things for what they are and if you're not comfortable with that be prepared to Veer off slightly to an unconventional path. And I think somebody said it to me beautifully somebody from HR said it but you own your career path, you have to take control of it. You can't just rely on people to promote you up the ladder or to give you a job and offer you new opportunities because that's not how it happens. You have to go out there you Have to pursue it with passion and intensity that it takes to you know, find a good fire. Yeah, and I think like that ties in really nicely to what you were saying before about knowing your personal identity. And what makes what drives you what makes you happy even if you can find a way to integrate that into your career and that can really drive you you're going to be so much better off and more effective in whatever role you're working in because you're actually passionate about the work that you're doing. So I think a lot of nutrition Korea's right now are quite rigid. They're not very flexible in terms of giving us the personal growth that we need in order to be effective. But if we can somehow Inspire that in people and they can have a really big change at their own level, whatever it is that's going to give us a better industry as a whole. Yeah. Hopefully hopefully agree. I think we've all sort of mentioned intuitions it Nothing, and if you don't have that personal dried as a nutrition practitioner or whatever wherever you're at. I think he can put a bit of a kick and how much of an impact you can make. So the moral of the story do what you like a passionate about. Yeah, you'll find a way to make it work. Yeah, it doesn't have to happen straight away. I think we're all as like our generation is very driven to be successful straight out the back but like it it's never going to be like that and you can do that with in whatever role you're working in, you know, like my current job is not what I want to be doing long term, but I still get fulfillment with it and I'm still able to integrate and use my own personal values to make it better. For me and for my kids like the people that I'm working with so I think it's important to recognize that like we might not all get to where we want to be straight away. But like we can still try and enjoy where we are. Yeah. Yeah and create your own jobs, wherever there are. No jobs be very creative with how you vent your jobs. Yeah. Yeah, very nice. Which me wrap up with sale final question. Yeah for sure. I know we've already touched on on this a little bit throughout the course the discussion today, but we always wrap up with this questions that all of our guests. So we wanted to ask you what does food mean to you. Food food is happiness to me. Seriously like a bowl of warm noodles. So I need in my life. He rocks smiling because it's cold and all I want is a full nude on noodles for the runny egg yolk and some beautiful videos than a food is happiness to me, but I think I've touched on it when I say it's it's my little Medical. Tation device again when you cook food and you interact with it whether or not it's as simple as taking a can of tuna. I'm mixing it through roast veggies or whatever or going to the extent of making your own bread. I think all of it is such a beautiful thing food is such a beautiful thing. It takes so much for food to get on our plates so much time and love needs to go on it from when you grow it. To when you cook it, too when you pack it off or whatever it is. So I think when you eat food don't just eat it realize what food means to people it's more than just functionality and it's more than just Health. It's it's happiness. It's you know, people's meaning people's things. What's up people's purpose for being I can't get it out coffee down thinking about you. Yeah food is it's more than just food. Yeah, it's more than Yeah, and I think it's really nice for you working in your role. You are now that you can see that and that is obviously a big driving factor in your career in that like you're able to recognize the importance of it. And so that is going to help you create a better food environment. Which I hopefully we can all do yeah agreed or well that's really nice sentiment and summarizes everything very well. Thank you for having us in your home. There are lots of photos coming. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Hey, what are you still doing here? The party's over. Thanks for sticking around though. And thank you so much for coming to our pantry party. Yeah. I hope you had a great time. I mean we sure did. Oh, no, don't worry about doing the dishes leave them there. Yeah, we'll come tomorrow just have unsafe. Yeah. Okay, if you really want to you can hit the link down below. It takes you to our patreon page or you know, just check out our website or Instagram share this episode right us on Apple podcast. Maybe will be new and noteworthy one day. 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  Have you ever wondered what it’s like working in the food industry? We have a chat to food industry nutritionist and good friend, Roxanne Tan. Rox has completed her Bachelor of Nutrition Science AFTER a Bachelor of Commerce (yeah, wow right?!). She is currently working at a large food industry supplier  as a nutritionist in a role that is able to combine several of her talents and passions. In this episode, we have a chat about all things career transition, mental health, doing what's rewarding, and looking after yourself. Here’s some of the content we talked about: The Modern Love podcast Terrible Things for Asking podcast Brene Brown TedX Videos - The Power of Vulnerability, Listening to Shame. General Brene Brown content DAA nutritionist vs. dietitian: https://daa.asn.au/what-dietitans-do/dietitian-or-nutritionist/  ---  Find us at: www.thepantryparty.org www.instagram.com/thepantryparty [email protected] Liza: www.instagram.com/lizakhins ,  lizakhins.com Bran: www.instagram.com/arebrandedlife ,  arebrandedlife.com --- Music and editing by Ross Davidson:  www.instagram.com/rossco_davo, www.davidsonmusic.net  Artwork and graphics by Caitlin Preyser:  www.instagram.com/caitlinmadethis,  https://caitlinpreyser.myportfolio.com/

All right, everybody, welcome back once again to the ggwp, and if you haven't heard it by now, this is of course the Geeks gaming World why podcast? I am pyrotechnics. I am joined on this podcast by not only the wonderful the Magnificent the illustrious Chase wassenaar, but Back for the first time in 2020 no longer sick his immune system has processed the illness it is the man the myth the legend mad magical. What's up dudes, right? I gave you I gave you the best like WWE like intro and you gave me whack. Right, right. Did you want to honk at Mel's 20 nights ago? He talks? Okay. He still speaks good. We hadn't had confirmation that in 2020. That was good to still man. I'm glad to have your magical. I never know what to expect when you're on the pot. The big brain was definitely needed last week that the power rankings. But yeah, we have had small brain power rankings. Yeah. Don't worry. I'll tear apart your power rankings. Anyways, I sure felt good about some of the things we said like, I feel like 30% Yeah. I like man feeling great. Ha ha ha ha I should laugh at Kira and then I listen to the rest of the podcast. Well, you know, it's there there forever and we will publish a screenshot of the mall to and with magical getting his word and he gets a little bit of an advantage but he's committed to sticking to his pre Week 1 I have rankings which is good. And if you change them then would ridicule you for that when like three weeks down the line things change. JH but no one took EG number two in their power rankings after watching weak ones games. I have a hundred percent believe these illegitimate power that is imagine a man of his word and should be treated as such. Yeah. It's like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go shenanigan Ariane you guys I'm not gonna change about what I had originally thought and what I had originally pinpointed. So this is the true essence of my power rankings before week one. All right. I'm really happy about it. We'll get into it in a little bit. But yeah first off on the board, welcome back to the podcast magical for everybody listening. This is of course episode 29. It's the first three man pod of 2020 really looking forward to see what goes on throughout all the weeks and I'm just I'm excited for for a whole lot of stuff but we do have to start on a little bit of a kind of a bummer news here and you know, this is this has been beyond the scope of Esports and Beyond the scope of what we normally do here on the podcast, but We have to talk about that nasty coronavirus that's going around China because the LPL and the LDL the you know, the smaller League the the up-and-comer league if you will has been indefinitely postponed due to the viruses outbreak and that is no bueno in a lot of ways if you were in China, we wish you guys the best viruses like this is no joke. We don't really know what the scope of this is going to be where this This is going to compare on the Ebola scale is the kind of thing that we're talking about. And so, you know, I understand that there's a tendency to jump to oh man. This is bad for Esports. People are dying and I feel so bad for everyone this. Yeah. This is this is bad for everybody involved. Yeah, and it sucks because you know from a if we're going to talk about it from a support standpoint. I would say that certainly like in times like this not having entertainment is a shame. On the other hand keep these players and doors for the love of God. Some of them. I believe like haven't been able to leave the neighborhoods there in like Wuhan is completely shut down last time I checked and I've heard a lot of cities are going that way now. That's why one of the reasons we're seeing the LPL a lot of the games in Shanghai or not going to be broadcast for the same reason. Right? Right and the English broadcasters are tweeted just the other day that they were taking emergency flights out of the country. Honestly, I thought they were all staying safe. I'm the same as you Ooh, I'd rather people be safe. I'd rather everyone make sure that they're not getting sick because the coronavirus is nothing to scoff at. It's pretty it's a pretty severe disease that is as pretty infectious. So it's good to be able to have people not go to a crowded environment where there's the chance that they can infect others and continue the spread. I'd rather it be quarantined shut down for a little bit. Make sure to get it under wraps get it under control and then be able to bring it back where you don't feel like everyone who's going to an event is now in danger. Right. Now it first priority. Absolutely the safety of everything. I did want to touch on the like we always have no idea how long this is going to be an issue and we don't know how long it will impact among other things the LPL just just purely from that perspective though. I do want to get your guys opinions on you know, let's say this goes until MSI. Like how do you think that will actually affect the competitiveness of the region? I mean everyone is probably going to be staying home playing solo. Queue. Anyways, what do you what do you think this? There's going to be based on how long we think this is going to be an issue. Honestly, if I had to give it a lot of thought I think what would have to happen is that right would have to do something like they have done with Academy where they allow players to be able to play from the team houses in this case would be from home where there'd be some they have to figure out some way in order to be able to monitor these players to make sure obviously the Integrity of the league is still intact. You're not having people cheat and whatnot. But honestly if it goes on for that long, they have to figure something out they have to be able Do something gets it could have detrimental effects when it comes to MSI. Well, you can argue that MSI isn't that important? It's all about world's. Anyways, it's still the whole infrastructure that right has built up. It's a whole year long event and even having one of those cogs break could ruin the whole machine not to mention by far the largest and most profitable part of the resort Centre right China is the daily and illegal weapons. There's a reason we have those Mega structures like the ones that the Royal never give up and EDG Bill people fucking love League of Legends and China here. Welcome to the bleep. Bear Pier fine fine, dude. I don't think I've put I don't think I put bleep sin at all in any of these episodes. So, you know, it's okay, you're fine. I'm finding you you have to know you you have to have on cast commissioner magical are less concerned. This episode didn't get no. Wow. I'm concerned about my you know, Yo, you just recycling gosh China, please get better and you know, I'm sure that Riot will come up with the solution because there has to be look there's too much money involved. There's dad's money. Well, here's the thing. Yes, if it if it goes on till like MSI time. Anyways, we probably have a lot bigger problems, but I just was curious what you guys thought the impact would be just purely on a nice pour. It's level and I think you're both right that they will they will come up with some sort of interim solution to address the lack of games being played. So I suppose we'll see how that goes. And in the meantime, yeah, everybody stays safe doesn't matter where you are in the world. Obviously. This is a little bit scary stuff regardless, but especially if you are in China or in the area, please do stay safe. Don't go outside without a mask, etc, etc. And now over to some leagues that that aren't postponed for the time being we did have our kickoff. Of the LEC and the LCS this past week. In fact, just just before our our power rankings went live Chase. So I suppose we should probably get right into it and start talking with the LCS will move on to the LEC later. Were there any surprises from your end for week? Number one? Yes, I think it's safe to say I thought TSM would have a pulse. Let's start there. I thought they would they did. It. Just took 60 minutes. To no, no even better. That was embarrassing loss. I mean, I think that like we as a society loss because that game happened and in fact the TSM lost it. Yeah the way that I guess I got I just I don't know about this team, you know, I don't it seems like the shot Cowan is broken. I think I wish I had stuck to my guns that I had during most of the Since you're talking about TSM, I kept saying something is rotten in the state of Denmark. There are these problems here Sage wrote a whole article for you to court about all these intrinsic problems that the time has And I said, you know what second place anyway, I'm what I'm saying is I'm an idiot and those of you listening to the podcast or welcome to tell me that I'm dumb for not listening to my own advice on that one. But I really I thought they'd at least be decent. I thought they'd at least be competitive. I thought they'd look like if I was you I was right there with you dude. I was right there with you. I think like I for some reason in my head, I was like yeah Cloud Nine might be number two, but no I put them I put TSM at number two also and a little bit of regret e spaghetti and magical with your With your big brain did you know who could have predicted this who could have foreseen this was it was it magical Damas? So I will say I have two additional like two versions of my power rankings for North America TSM. This this will be this will be listed in the show notes. By the way, for those of you that want a visual aid. So people can see it TSM. I have them in two different spots one is third and that's Darda condition does TSM let Dar dark bead our talk and play his style where he can be aggressive. An impact other lanes besides mid lane, or do they make him into a ward like they like to do with their junglers. Well, I think we got us all a little bit of what they like do which is nothing. So unfortunately they're going to go into the other ranking I have which is putting them at 6:00 flight. I don't think that they're not a playoff game. I think they might be able to barely scrape by into playoffs even at that, but I'm not saying that I'm very thrilled after this weekend. I will also make sure to tell everyone this is just week one. It is only Week 1 you can Look at these games so hard and so long before you realize that it's only a two game sample. And how much does that really indicate on how well this team is going to be able to form. Are they going to be able to adapt better into the meta? Are they going to be able to fix some of these problems that they have early in the season with shock calling or are they going to continue to stumble and be like a Misfits but were last year or maybe even this year and that's going to be alluding to later. It's still something that we have to keep our eyes on. So it's like saying right out the gate we look at week one we look at Results spoilers, by the way, you have Cloud Nine dignitas and fly quests the to the three top teams. The undefeated teams. Do I think those are the three strongest teams in the region? No. No, I don't. In fact, you can look at my my power ranking that I have it very different from how that is week one doesn't really mean that much it is a good sample of like what maybe to come but you can't take it like a this is definitively what's going to happen. Are you saying it to game sample size is not Patient data to decide how the entire season is going to go. Especially when we had teams won't Chase Chase across. This is the overall reaction section. I supposed to over react don't don't peek behind the curtain. I'm sorry. I just now look I this is the this is the fun part because now you get to see these resolves truly going to stand the test of time when it comes to us addictions, right because cowards look at two games of the sample size that goes in the opposite direction from their original picks and abandon. Hope well, Well, the real analysts say it's only two games. I'm going to pretend like I still have faith in what I said, even though all the evidence. I've had to the country so far doesn't seem to feel that way. Well, I got some evidence to suggest that my power rankings aren't too bad because guess who put dignitas / EG and CLG this guy that yeah house like was doing in your rankings buddy. How's the already said that one? I'm not feeling too hot on. But yeah. I'll take the big one. Look a lot of people looked at the hunie price tag and thought alright, there's crumbs left for everybody else. They're not taking anything and crumbs is on the desk. Anyway, so what am I even talking about? No, no dig is doing just fine right now. Do I think they're going to be a top three team? No, but I do think that this is the team that can make the playoffs. I mean, you can argue that for almost every single team besides Mortals and then a you've been bad. It's week one. Don't worry about yes. Yes, 60-minute game. Oh man. That was so fascinating. It's so fun to watch. What'd I just say? I'm just saying it feels wrong to say of Mortals are the only key we don't care they could playoffs with one and a is trash and any of these things. I think I know golden golden Guardians probably won't make the playoffs but you know The Mortals have more faith in Golden Guardian thing. I do it. Toodles, hey, at least you know with practice with the team figure something out apparently so has it been with the team for like a whole three days. He knows what side lanes are how many using that ain't no it's idling so as so as clowned on people and like we said TSM didn't have a pulse and I feel like so as good enough to just put people in his backpack. I already said I think he's kind of washed up. But again, I completely forgot about one very important thing. Is that washed up into you. You still at least Diamond 3 NN a so they said hey, that's the lower. The bar has been lowered. I hope again, but by the way, can I just say one more thing about any before you move on because I forgot to ask you to put this in the show notes and I won't come up. Naturally. What is it? What is it dignitas Academy being a caddy because he's dumb and she filled um, that was like that gave me are to get CLG Academy was a Slaughter and that should not have been aired for audiences of all ages. And it's terrible that this is a big but still exist. They would take days off of actual LCS teams. I will say that like that is a too good of a Academy a team. There's no reason that that team should exist in academy. Yeah, yeah first hand was rough. It was it was it because it wasn't close. It's not closed and that's that's a good who's helping who benefits it's not like they're gonna get it's okay. I'm done. I'm done guys. I have concerns the space is gonna get broken. All right. Well, that's that's the LCS. Let's let's talk about the LEC and I think we've gotten a little bit of magicals Power Rankings, but I guess before before we move on to that. I do want to just give you the floor magical fully like of everything you saw so far and then just your overall your overall Power Rankings what you know, what fit? What didn't what do you what do you think we need to see more time of that? We didn't already cover so looking at how you is. I pegged five teams that I thought were going to be the top five teams. It's pretty much there's a big discrepancy. I think between the top five in the bottom five. That's G2 origin fanatic schalke and Rogue. I put in my top five. Honestly, like I think g 2 hours, it's just it's G2 like they can it doesn't matter where they put perks and where they put caps are still going to be G2 and they're going to destroy people and I think that that is always the battle for second who's going to be able to try to combat against them and I feel like not like Rogue is definitely a team that people need to keep looking at like and this is going to make Chase happy. Jace is gonna look at my power ranking to like but you put them at V. It's like yes, but there's a reason for that and it's only because I feel like Two through five are that close that honestly it can really shake up. Anyway, I think that they're all really good. I think that seeing Larson be able to just be Larson. It's going to be great Vander and Hans AMA and the bot Lane is a great bot Lane fins doing amazing in the Top Lane. So I think they're going to be a good team the team that I'm really shocked that did like kind of poorly even like they went 0 2 was schalke but I don't think that they look terrible in those games. I think that they always look like they had a fight Chance that there's just a couple mistakes here and there that if they're able to fix up going into the next week's that they're going to be able to continue to be one of those top teams that I was talking about. You put them in that was that was pretty high. I want to be on the record and I understand that the ready audience is overreacting and that's you know, two games to emphasize again, right but like I was expecting something from that guy and I got nothing. I don't II didn't see anything that made me think he was a top ten European the Twitter and that's a concern to me. It would have been nice to see a little bit more play making it would be nice to see a little bit more, you know a champion fool that I felt, you know the cast and the the rise kind of weird picks for the where the midlane Met it is not unprecedented. Added my name put didn't really impress. I wasn't it's not great. It didn't go great. And I think that this is a team with enough strong personality is where if he doesn't turn around and it becomes a point of weakness the way that you seek a was a point of weakness for Vitality in the summer sport last year. Who asserts that that could be a problem? Well, the thing is if you look in 2019 with Ava dog, hey, I'll give him a little credit. It's not like he came up on the field in which smashing everyone anyways, it was like he was consistent. He was decent. He was always good but not great. I feel like that is a kind of a thing here with schalke and I almost wonder how it's going to be because he said there's powerful personalities. You have God gilja sand. You have forgiven. I'm not a fan of galius. I think that he is Rated and there's been reasons why many a time that he's been kicked off teams. So I feel like it's gonna be a little bit more dependent on how gilja sits able to go with someone who doesn't smash Lane, but it doesn't necessarily lose Lane with David algae and how he's going to be able to transition leads into someone like overwhelm they or into forgiving Mmm, okay, by the way, before we before we move away from it, I wanted to I wanted to shout out G Zu K. I was actually pretty happy with his his game against a hundred thieves and the the interview afterwards were awfully asked him if he tried American Pizza and he just has this like look in his face like anyone else see that. I just wanted to put that terrible thought in my mouth. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was it was just it was just the best but we didn't talk about it. But Monday night League was a thing that happened. Yeah. It's kinda forgot. Since before we moved on it was it wasn't terrible but it wasn't the nothing special. It was exactly what I predicted. It would be Which is less pop. You expected a hundred a hundred K tops. I mean a hundred K. I thought you compared you to an average broadcast date with that with always. Yes M first, it's not great. Right. It's no it's not great. It's not great. I was just trying to get a fix on numbers and maybe we should have probably done a prediction previously because I looked at that and thought that too but I also didn't think. Oh God. The sky is falling no one's watching this, but it definitely Lee it's just there was nothing to differentiate it as a special Monday night broadcast. They just it was just an extra day of LCS pretty much like a half day and on a Monday when you're at a time, which it's too late for Europe to keep up no and that it's I mean I still feel like you could have done something you could have done something that would have made it cool would have made it stand out. A lot of people on Twitter we're talking about this they could have made it like a WWE like intro thing with walkouts and cool stuff. Like I would have loved that CI. I don't know. I'm right. Take some hints. I don't know if I'm a fan of like the WWE style like walkouts, but definitely adding some flare to it making it more interesting a reason to watch it as opposed to it's LCS. You should want to watch it's like yes, we want to but on a Monday is not easy for everyone. Some people got work. Some people got school. Some people like you said over in a you they're not going to be able to watch that at all. It's way too late for them and they have work or school in the morning. They can't really be focusing on staying up that late on a Monday. So yeah, Monday Night Football exists is because of broadcast television timeslot competitions that make absolutely no sense for a digital medium in 2020. I just want to make that clear the only reason the Monday night football is on Monday night is because ABC or NBC, I forget who had it at the time realized that they could win the coveted Monday night slot by running NFL football when previously there was only one day of competition. Good watch and I did really well and continue to be a top time slot during that time period that would you needed time slot domination in order to get the ad revenue and that is it has nothing to do with people's watch schedules. It has nothing to do with Monday being a particularly special day for competition. It's time slots from 120 years ago and Chase. This is where I'd probably make the argument that honestly Friday would make more sense if you think about it with how the more digital age works because you you have to worry about like what someone's doing the next day. It's a Friday. It's like they're going to be able to stay up a little bit later. If you have games all you know at like five are here over in Pacific coast standard time compared to that of the Greenwich Mean Time where it's nine hours difference. It's like yeah that doesn't matter anymore because they just felt like they're going to have school or work more likely in the morning. They can actually stay up and enjoy that if they wanted to yeah. No, I think that makes a lot of sense actually and this this could end up getting chucked. One of those right experiments that ends up just not working out but the question is how long do they stick with it? They do it for a split to they do it for two for the whole year don't know. I think there are solutions. But yeah for the time being I was a little disappointed that there wasn't anything to make it stand out. Well, you know, what did Stand Out is that their favorite sponsor Bud Light understands what let's do and so it was probably needs to sell for that. So that's probably why they did Monday night League actually. Oh, yeah, I'd be that I thought This was see-through from the start. Yeah, so my by the way, by the way Bud Light is but light is is is not a very choosy sponsor with the comes to Esports man there they're getting around OverWatch League last year LCS this year what next? There there there with everybody man or craft reforged Esports Bud Light. I am for it by the way a spree. I want to go pro in that game. That's and by the way, can we just point out that Smash Bros was pulling 70 to 80,000 for their grand finals last night for melee despite the fact that it had like no advertising at all and meanwhile the Call of Duty League only hit over 80,000 for one series entirely. - we will we will hit the Call of Duty League Chase, but you are right on the money that that's really good for fgc. But that's because it's a loyal fan base. Yeah, I wasn't I was worth thinking about it the opposite herbs. I gotta go positive. I got to counteract all this negative energy Chase your concerns with but but overhear happy taste is not a lot of have concerns you have taken those away. That's true. He's not allowed to he's not allowed to say the phrase, but I feel like I feel like he's getting it. In there anyways, it's right I distracted us for a while. Let's go back to the LEC because I want to get this out of the way before we talk about other Esports. I think this is the league where we're a lot more aligned with our with our predictions for the most part. The biggest difference is I see you're like exact placements in top three exact placements in bottom bottom for but to be honest, I don't I don't think there's really two many. They're really too many surprises out of this first week at least not from my end. Maybe the show The schalke ship kind of not really sailing very well in week. Number one. I kind of expected at least a single win there. But apart from that did you guys get any get any surprises from any of the LEC games? Not a lot of huge surprises. I feel like you know to say it went shop would maybe be a little bit overstating it. I am surprised that we didn't see a millage this weekend. I guess he lost the starting spot to second second. I don't know how yeah, but that I think it's taken that's not a great sign for the season. Is that the guy that you and I spent all this time hating up didn't even make the shadow roster for Week 1. I don't know what that means. I don't know if it's because they're trying to keep the French Synergy given the Kappa shirt skins of both French comp. I believe was from that ldl-c team. That was really good. And I remember in properly. Yes. I am. So like there's a I guess maybe that's an argument II don't I did not see a lot of life from that Vitality team that did not Look like a team that is happy to be here and is excited for an object. Yeah domestic season ahead Misfits look bad as I expect Rogue look good. Did I I'll say this. I understand the two game. They also beat Misfits in Excel. But yeah, yes, and if you look at they were good there were good. Both Hans trauma and Larson have 22 que Tas right now and sure it's two games that means nothing but clever case of Chase. 22 we'll get an answer. We'll get an answer as our road good next week because the first game of week to this upcoming Friday is going to be Rogue vs. Origen and that is that is like my game of the week to be on a great same here. I'm actually really hyped for that. I think that's going to be a good indicator of exactly how good Rogue are and because I think that origin well because I personally hard to see where origin were either because I mean they beat fnatic which is big but well I'd argue this origin team is by far one of the best up-and-coming team, so it's not named G to it. Like that's fair. Like there's a reason I put the number two like well, I think that 2 through 5 are closed. I think origin are there's reason I put them at to over these ones. I think that just you look at the Alfaro zerks a nuke duck upset Destiny Destiny was doing great over and Oceania and now he's being able to come over here and he has someone who's very aggressive like upset that he gets the backup Chase. I think this is have another opl believer. Yeah. Well, hold on one second. Destiny because we Alma was so bad that you had to have something to lead on to that. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Today win some you lose some all right. I don't feel confident about the LCS the LEC. I did four years in this region. I understand a little bit more how these guys work at all so I gotta give you that. I was also about to say also Destiny was probably the best player on that Mammoth team just going to say that so I think that he was I think he was the best pick up like that you could get from that. Yeah. I don't totally disagree with you. I'm trying to like find a counter point. But to be honest, I think Mammoth had a lot of Rises and falls and the most consistent. Her on that team was definitely and I think that works perfectly with what origin want to be able to do. I think that there's I think broker going to be a good team. Like I chase thinks that I don't think that going to be I have faith that they will make playoffs. No chase chase doesn't think that anyone who thinks that Rogue is below third place is worthless exactly doing well, but just how well are they going to be able to do are they going to be able to stay? Assistant are they going to be able to keep this momentum going forward especially when you go up against a team like origin in week 2, I feel like they are going to have some fault. There's especially like we to do for I think it's where Rogue is really going to be tested. And then after that towards the end of the split, I think it's where Bill really start kicking into high gear. And that's when they're going to look their strongest. But I do I'm going to take care your I'm stealing your phrase. I have concerns when it comes to their early successes. Look guys. I zoomed out of your robots when you started a while back saying I like Rogue. I swear I do and that was all I needed to hear. That's fine. I don't know where that I don't listen to anybody that came in. That was that was some spice feel betrayed are you doing there? I absolutely came at you. I'd real but now I'm say I've tried to play the victim and I doubt any of you are higher on Rogue. Any of us and I think this is very much a playoff team, but II need to be convinced of them being a top three team the top look that's fine. I think they did what they needed to do this week to do that. I think that the two people that I thought were going to be really good or really good and I think they're going to like, I agree with magical that the top five teams are clear and the order could be shaken up its origin surprises me and does really well. I'm not going to pretend like oh my god, there was no world I couldn't imagine Wait, wait, wait taste rotate the top three, but I think that's how you're looking at week one results of Rogue and thinking that this is great. They faced off against Misfits and Excel. I'm sad. That is what I said play you only get ahead of you and they did everything you wanted from those kids playback. All right, that's fair. Take care of business. You want it to be clean, but one person died. What's hot summer day? They did it. They did the job they needed to do I agree with you, but you have to That they played the game. They played the game on easy mode and now it's dark souls next week. Okay. Wow. Okay. Okay. Look all I'm saying if they look if they look as clean against origen as they did against Misfits and Excel. Okay, then I will start this podcast by giving you a round of applause and I hope magical will join. Okay, look if you're thinking that is Dark Souls next week. They're gonna go they're going to be 3 1 by the end of next week. I mean, there's still gonna crush the vital. No, I think I think origin okay to be fair G2 is Dark Souls or is just Like it's more like they're playing they're playing like the old Super Mario Bros U know that's what they're playing. They try to speed run that if rho Chi second to bite. We gate by the end of week four. I'm going to be that's my that's my dream ranga. Okay, that's other games. I'm keeping my eye on I think for day number two. I want to see Madeline's versus schalke because that will answer a lot of my questions about both those teams. Agreed I think that's actually a really interesting game to I know everyone's gonna be looking at g 2 vs origen but I feel like schalke versus mad Lions is a little bit more interesting just because that will be able to tell you one Howard schalke gonna do do they kick Ilyas off after week to or do they try to cope with him going together? It's we asked it forgiving is going to be on that roster. It's not forgiving. Yeah earlier that I think Billy is gonna kill me. Emerge one and one and look strong at points in both. I'm going to have to re-evaluate at least up to you know, the seven spot probably and if they do poorly than I'm going to start feeling pretty good about where I have I think this is this more than like Rogue just needs to go one and one the next couple of weeks as they played seems like origin and G2 and whatever if they're splitting games, they'll still be towards the top of the standings. I think mad Lions is a young team that right now can take advantage of the fact That there's not a lot of film or available on them that they can still do some good things and catch people off guard and that they're playing teams, especially next week that you could predict to go a little bit more standard. These are going to need so don't win them and make me say nice things about next week. Well, alrighty then on that note. We're about halfway through the time. Why don't we go ahead and take a quick break? Okay, let's talk about blue here at the ggwp. 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I'll Trust you on that one magical because that's pretty much the mood that I have for most blizzard stuff these days but what I will say is they just Inked a major business deal this past week and one of the biggest articles actually on it was reported on Business Insider. Basically Activision Blizzard, they dumped twitch for YouTube and they signed a pretty large scale deal for them. And now they're going to be exclusively. Testing all of their Esports. That is of course OverWatch Call of Duty whatever else have you on YouTube for the next I believe it is two years. Yeah, it turns out that twitch didn't want to pay 90 million dollars again for that deal. So I guess here we are YouTube decides they need some things. So that's good. I mean they do want to break into the into the space, right? It does kind of make sense from from a Google and YouTube standpoint to sign what at least has a lot of money in it. It's just so hard for me to get excited about this deal. You look at say Super Smash Bros. Melee in the finals Genesis 7 this weekend. We're both melee and spray. The foreshadowing comes in black eyes poppy. Yeah, that was more popular than what we actually saw for most of the Call of Duty world league outside of Chicago versus a optic which is basically a old Optic versus optic like let me take let me get this straight jacket. Are you suggesting? Are you suggesting that? We should be prioritizing getting Grassroots Esports to talk to your viewing platforms instead of people that throw around a bunch of money. Is that are you Mike? Am I reading that right? Am I picking up what you're putting down? It does seem like it's dead instead of trying to constantly like by the next best thing and by 25 million dollars so that you can get into some exclusive franchise city-based never been done before. Thing that's going tirely unproven but you're not copy doesn't seem to have amazing Financial models in mind. You could just invest for like a tenth of the cost in games where people have already established the infrastructure and know what they're doing and then you could just have to be aware of it. And apparently there's no fgc fans and go well according to that Esports Association from like a month ago that everyone's already forgotten because it got me into death Esports is VR and yoga. So for those people who I think this YouTube deal is great. It's a great headline. That's like I just want to I just want to put it up put it out there that that is like one step up the ladder from E gaming. So we're moving forward. Wait. Why are you using ha ha ha? Okay, maybe we're going down. I don't know either way a metaphor like Ricky ladder that you put up, you know really high on the roof and then like you take the step onto the wrong higher but it breaks because of course it does because it's a rickety ladder. So technically you're not wrong that just doesn't work that way. You heard it here. First. YouTube is a rickety ladder. But let's let's see. Let's get a little bit more into the meat and potatoes of this. I think that when it comes down to it a lot of this was with the timing of the Call of Duty League, which by the way was the ultimate like Doom saying this was going to crash and burn this was going to be dead on arrival. This was going to be the worst thing ever and not just with us. I mean mainstream media outlets in Esports were saying this was going to be an absolute dumpster fire and it turns Out it wasn't question mark of all the events I've seen in which the schedule wasn't announced until the day before in which it was very unclear what the format would be and a weekend in which at least two teams literally broke the rules because they didn't have a way to manually ban certain perks that they needed to bring and the players. Did know the rule set properly and use them any way. Other than that, I'm great. I was all those are all of those things it was fine. And I guess that's like it's a fine it is it fine for a franchise League not to release their schedule except for days before actually happens a franchise like a one-off tournament. Maybe you can excuse them for not being very good at organizing. This is franchise. Paid in millions of dollars to be a part of this league and yet nothing gets announced until days before it starts. That's no no. No. No, that's not. Okay. Okay, so pretty definitive answer for Magical but he's angry with you guys. But but but it somehow wasn't a dumpster fire. I have to give him this valve also denounced the schedule for the international until the day before and that was a 30 million plus dollar term. God don't remind me. But that's not franchise. They have teams paying millions of dollars just to get into the league. Look do not make me try to defend blizzards that happen. I'm just a magical magical to it. I just I want to hear the can you do and conflict in his voice? I am livid with this situation. It's like you can't expect teams and organizations to pay millions of dollars and then not actually put the effort into your only gets like that so you can make it. For years we OverWatch league has existed for two years. These teams were part of it. It doubled out anyway at this point, but at least they got a schedulable for like more than a week before the game started. Also keep in mind that that one of the biggest complaints that these players had. Was that a patch drop two days before that's not normally they started and that's not new but I'm saying it's including all of that normal DS which is the patch that dropped last second and the perks that they didn't ban properly. Yeah, and so there were two teams that ended up using percolation of use and now there's a question of will do they get disqualified for technically cheating even though right now they want they lost a game. They had a game go against them because of it. But yeah, they well because here's the thing that's really bad about that. The people who probably aren't glued in the Call of Duty when realize is that they're doing this weird mix of like weekend tournaments and like franchised. Play so the only teams that won a game this past weekend get to go to Call of Duty London where there's going to be another big prize fool specifically for those eight teams. So if you lost a game and I don't know I honestly would have to go back I've read stories about II can't put names to things as well as I'd like, but if you're a team that got screwed over because of one of these rule things. It could literally cost you tens of thousands of dollars because you didn't get to go to the other special week. So it at the very least even if in this particular case the perk didn't matter and the league decided not to do anything from a competitive Integrity standpoint because of all these other factors, which is not okay. But okay like huge risk for the long run. There's a lot on the line for winning these individual games. It's not like week one in the LCS where someone misses, you know some bug that could have turned something around like well, it's one regular-season. This was a rule. This was a rule. Lack of clarity and that's that's on Activision that's on Infinity War that's on everybody that's running this stuff. And I believe the team you were referring to this Los Angeles gorillas actually chasing. They not a hundred percent sure, but I do believe they did qualify did they did end up going one and one so this time around you got away with it, but that's not a position. You want to be in like this like you can't when the when the pressure is so high when determining who gets to go to these events and who has a chance to win these big prizes and whatnot. Is based on maintaining competitive Integrity rain? There's one team named the Los Angeles. Gorillas. Yes and gorilla. Gorilla Warfare Warfare. Yeah. There's also optic gaming Los Angeles, which is fucking terrible as wait optic gaming Los Angeles. That's the name. That's the name. Yep. There's some weird names for sure. Oh and it also Atlanta phase. The Atlanta phase is also sort of works. It's sort of works more than the other ones. It's the same people in charge of phase that were faced Call of Duty optic gaming La is called out the Gatorade LA and has no connection to any of the old optic giving people what they were just yeah the later with the Huntsman which is why that was the one game people watched this week. It's like that 1907 feta Bochy. It's like my brain. Yeah, how is this allowed? I haven't paid too much attention to the branding but you know is is what it is. But okay, but let's let's talk a little bit about the actual viewership because I know you called out to this and I know it definitely wasn't great especially for the investment but was the viewership just in a vacuum good for this opening week. No, no. Okay. Here's the thing called in a vacuum. You could have played by different rules Call of Duty leak you had a choice if you wanted to play by the same. Same rules of Call of Duty that you had in previous years by not upgrading this 25 million dollar spot franchise leak we get to talk about you in the same breath that we talk about say rocket League. Nobody beats up on Rocket lie, because their games have 40,000 to 50,000 viewers for the majority of their games rocket leagues just that size of an esport and we all accept that because that's the kind of way that they advertise themselves. That's the way they position themselves as sponsors. That's the way they fit and the larger ecosystem but no no no no, no, As you asked for 25 million dollars and as I brought up so many times on this podcast. I said the same report all the time arshad but it will take five and a half years to make back the entry fee if they got a hundred percent of Revenue sharing at the rates that you would expect for a deal that was better than the one that they probably just got from YouTube. You can't settle for okay, that's not enough. You can't lose the majority. Preity of your weekend to Genesis 7 that's not acceptable in a vacuum in anything. You can't do that and say that you're a copy store and it's one of those things like it's frustrating because I you know, Emily Randy was at the event and she was covering it for ESPN did a lot of great pieces for it. I think there are good story lines. I think there's some great players and great personalities of user. They have their stories told. I think there were some fun games and I think that for what the broadcast could have been given everything. We described it should have gone a lot worse, but that doesn't make this acceptable. It doesn't make it good. It doesn't make it sustainable. I think it's a mess the problem I have with it is if I'm looking at this in a vacuum trying to make it I'm not going to compare it to any other Esports. I'm going to this is a vacuum on how much these organizations spent money to get in to be a part of a league. That doesn't even break six figures is atrocious. It's too much money spent for each one of these teams to be in a league that Get the viewership capable to actually be then be able to turn around to sponsors themselves and try to advertise themselves get more money, etc. Etc. Be able to function as an organization it just so looking at this if you're looking at and you have to just look at it as money spent based off what return that they're getting. It just not enough. It does not equate and then you have the exclusivity deal with YouTube that you add into on top of it. Maybe that hurt the viewership a little maybe that detracted a bit from it. At the same time this is still Call of Duty. It doesn't matter what Universe you live in Call of Duty is one of the most popular games that there is just as a franchise it costly sells. Well a constantly gets all this viewership and you'd expect that even being exclusive on YouTube that they'd still be able to break six figures because it is that popular of a game yet. It didn't it failed at doing that and that is where I have problems with the dot is where I have concerns you can you can say he did it. Alright. Right. This is the this is the episode where we all have concerns except Chase not allowed. He's busy and have them he's been on a quota. All right. No, I'm out of concerns. I'm just you know, what I'm going to say this Call of Duty leak. I'm not even mad. I'm disappointed. You're gonna throw that on there. Okay yikes. All right. Well that was cold. But so was the reception that was apparently I'm not a total. Yeah. Well apparently not really they said it was about Using which is like warm by Minneapolis standards. So now I'm from Southern California that so I don't know what that means freezing. All right. Well, let's move from to and talk about some some fun legal court rulings because this is going to meet you and she got a job. No, no don't violate my rights Community magical. We we have we have finally answer the age-old question of of Does being muted in a video game construe a free speech violation? Of course, it doesn't this guy's an idiot. This is an article on Kotaku and that that you know that that tells you all you really need to know I suppose this this this is a this is a this is about a lawsuit that happened. I believe earlier this year and then end up getting a peeled from a RuneScape streamer named Amber Oh Ellen. Sorry. I don't know if you guys know who that is. He sued the developer of the game. After the company muted him in a game last year for basically a violation of due process discrimination and the track on an attack on his is where it gets good free speech and human rights. This is just such a train wreck of a thing and it's like only in America I feel so basically the obviously if the ruling went against him, he appealed it to the US court of appeals federal court. And they just tossed the suit out and they were just like are you kidding me? Apparently, it's not even the first time. This guy's done. This he is he is he sued Tinder and that probably tells you all you need to know there are two guys are institutions are working. Maybe no dough have no when it comes to when it comes to being muted and video games. Let me add that amendment. I look I hate will say aye it reminds me, you know that that proverb That proverb but that's saying you know, if you wake up in the morning and meet an asshole you go to lunch and you get an asshole you go to dinner and you need an asshole and maybe you're the asshole. I feel like this guy like when you keep having this seen in my life, no because they children are account. Yeah, it's like men everyone seems to think that I shouldn't be allowed to talk on their platform. I'm sure that's everyone else's fault. Huh? The world isn't ready for my genius. I almost want to give him credit for His persistence like this was a lot of jakku that you're an idiot. Like imagine how many warriors he had to go to as he kept bringing this case higher up the ladder explaining. No, but seriously take even though I'm clearly toxic enough to be needed at this game taking me seriously and take this to court like that. He had a project in the works. It was handwritten to Maybe didn't have a lawyer. Maybe that explains a lot. I don't know either way. Either way I get I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying because he didn't like there are tight. Like you you sometimes have to her weirdly respect people who persist in the face of evidence to the contrary and sometimes it's because they actually are revolutionary and sometimes it's just because they're idiots. This definitely feels like the ladder it's not it's not a feels like it's there's no feeling here. This is a Because this is the creaky ladder. This is your creaky ladder magical this sliders perch on top of that buyer State Building and this is just something totally different. Yeah, I got I got nothing else. I don't know. I felt that was a fun story and I kind of just gave my own thoughts on it. No, I heard it. I hate it that this is an actual thing that had to happen like, oh my here's the thing you have you need? This put it in writing. So never again. That's important. There's a I wish legal. I wish I was there. I wish I was in the courtroom for this because I would have I would have just loved to like see this argument play out like like terrible daytime TV Judge Judy style and then like have like one of the the jagex employees that's just like obligated to be there just be like, why am I here it would have reminded me of that one. Here's the YouTube video where it's a Rick and Morty animators baby like over the like they voiceover. Actual transcription from a one of the court cases that was just completely ridiculous God and it's that whatever to versus Rick out. I'll send you the thing that I looked it up because I had the exact same thought magic. That's what I was thinking. I'm linking this in the show notes. I need to see this. Yeah see it. Oh my goodness. No, I haven't so actually really excited about the podcast but good came out of this fans got their. Yeah, that's good. Yes. Also all of you listening to it, you'll be able to watch it by clicking the link in the description. Oh cool. Cool. Alright, so any closing thoughts on that that bombshell of a legal ruling before we move on. Why are people dumb? Good question people Mysteries, we would solve the world. We would create magical if we could solve that mystery and I know we're getting deep. This is a deep podcast episode. So let's talk about csgo. We have no controversy. No craziness. No, whoa is everything in the state of the industry? Let's talk about a relatively healthy game at the moment. We're talking about the the ranch. Or is it just gone completely under your radar? Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, I want to talk about the blast Premier series. It's coming up. There's some exciting teams playing most of the top 10. No Cloud. Nine will not be there which is a little sad, but they're just kind of starting their hot streak as this as this cross you guys is a radar so far. It's like the first big csgo event to 2020. Well, it's my job to be up on csgo. So yes, I've been watching this would very closely. Excellent. I love this. This your job at unicorn.com, right? Yeah, the world's premier league sports betting site. I've been told that outfit like it's my plans interesting format, you know, they've done a really fun job of creating something that feels so different from what they've done in the past, you know, this three-tier double-elimination group stage is fun. But then you also get to add on that that's going to help determine who goes to The Showdown which has its own different format, you know tournaments build into each In the blasphemy R but they're not necessarily the same old song and dance each time. I do think that makes it an interesting comparison to say the ESL Pro Tour, which is pretty much it's gonna be the same ESL pro league and dreamhack events than you're used to accept now under a single banner and what you're seeing from the B site which is not much. We haven't actually seen a lot of confirm details on the B-side face it tell us things I I want to know what you're doing for the love of God, but look for what we have. Now. This is a really fun really fun event lot of good teams. I think group a is the one that's going to be coming up this weekend. I want to see how Team Liquid does. I want to see if they can kind of bounce back from some of their performances recently. I want to see a big say my BR has any fight in them that be fun. I'd like to see phase continue to figure out whether they're good or not. Position and consistent recently. How do you how do you feel about OG do you feel about? Oh, gee, I will say this. I'm a big fan of NPK because he did a stream raising money for the Australian wildfires. That was cool. Yeah. Yeah. So I like I like with it like I like the roster. I like what they're doing in general. I like Alex of a lot. I think if you are in and span if you're still somehow in its can because I think a lot of its agree we should probably should probably be an OG fan at this point. Yeah, I'll accept some real fun and a great guy and this team has a lot of players that I think have been waiting for the right pieces around them. And if you look at where they are in group C, I think they should be in a pretty solid spot hundred thieves obviously are nothing to be discounted. But Yugi are also a kind of a good that's saying you're just got you're not talking about EG. I don't like when you gonna get the Evil Geniuses. This is the team that I think it's going to be one of those like surprise. Is where people kind of like they're good they but they forget about them in under the radar despite the fact that they're like the number six ranked teams. I like feels weird because the last couple of events, you know, here's the thing, right? They want from first place to start series first place a TCS during the North American version. Then got v sick that I am Beijing fits six that the csgo Asian championships third for the BCS finals v 6 of the pro league finals and then third for that a not overwhelmingly. Native epicenter that you would have felt they should have done better at they kind of got well now by mousesports if they're if they're always placing like 4 through 6 in everything good. They're good team. I don't want this like sneak on them. But I also like if you think people are sleeping on them a bit. It is a hundred percent because this team went from being like winning tournaments are getting second place in tournaments to now taking four steps back. Yeah. And and that is to still be very good. But we as humans I think are very bad at evaluating movements that aren't absolute right or very good at recognizing the best or very good at recognizing the worst. We are as a species pretty bad at analyzing the middle ground and Evil Genius by has very good but not great. As of right now speaking a middle ground hundred thieves are another team to keep an eye on to because you know like there if you're if you're an Australian csgo fan there. Super freaking exciting. Yeah that right. There was actually open up and now yeah, and it's nice to see them. It's nice to see them on a very healthy org backing. I think that's that's the thing I want to talk about is the fact that they found they found keeping our fingers crossed a forever home. You know, that's the hope and I think that other thieves do a lot of things right, I think certainly they know how to Market these kind of personalities very well. They're very likeable team. Yeah the boys, I think we'll be up in arms. They should be G-tube are a better team than G2 on paper. They should be able to execute as much as I like necks. And I'm sorry. I haven't been enthralled by how they look as a full unit yet. It's fun. And you don't need to worry. If you're if you're a French fan like go for Vitality. They're more exciting anyways, but here's the thing. We haven't had a lot of big competition since 2020 began, you know, this is kind of a slow period for csgo. And so this is the first time we're going to see a lot of these teams really perform on this big of a stage. So I'm incredibly excited. I think this is going to give us a really good insight as to where these teams are standing heading into what's going to be an incredibly busy intense year with three different franchise leaks all fighting amongst themselves for not exclusivity exclusivity. That's going to be a fun battle and Blass gets to strike first. They get the first event. So we'll see how they carry it. That they do. All right any closing thoughts, you know, that's that's kind of our episode for the week guys. You know, how's it feel to be back on the train? I know chase you and I've been doing it a bit but magical it is so good to have you back man. I just want to say It's it's it's full circle. We've come full circle. But also I apologize that I didn't bring my hot cakes were worth the sacrifice to your ears. I think that is all good. And I guess we're going to go watch some judge Morty. So on that note. Thank you so much everybody for listening. We'll see you all next week, but for now say goodbye Gents.

*HONK* We’re back, with the first 3-man pod of 2020! The Mad Maverick Magical joins Chase and Pira to give us BigBrain(™) analysis from the first week of the LCS and LEC, as well as looking ahead! Everyone is meh on Monday Night League, and Chase’s Concerns have been co-opted by everyone else. After the break, the guys discuss the implications of the recent Youtube/Activision esports deal, and how the Call of Duty league’s opening weekend went down. Magical can’t believe some of the CWL team names, and we up the trainwreck ante with the news about the guy who sued for being muted in a videogame. Finally, we end on the least controversial topic of the week by previewing the CS:GO Blast Premier series! GGWP LCS/LEC Power Rankings - @ 1:40 LPL shut down indefinitely due to Coronavirus - @ 2:30 LCS Week 1 (over)reactions - @ 8:00 LEC Week 1 musings and week 2 preview - @ 15:00 Monday Night League discussion - @ 19:00 Activision Blizzard esports moves to Youtube exclusively - @ 34:00 Call of Duty League opening weekend - @ 37:00 Surprise Surprise: Being muted in game isn’t a civil rights violation @ 47:30 *NSFW* Rick and Morty court Video - @ 51:40 CS:GO Blast Premier Series Preview - @ 52:45 Follow the GGWP @TheGGWPod on twitter, and send us your thoughts, or what you'd like to hear about in a future episode!

Hey everyone, this is Shane from the cheap home grow podcast. This is a continuation of yesterday's podcast about learning how to grow cannabis indoors. Organically. If you haven't listened to episode one, please do so now. Thanks, please subscribe and enjoy the show. Okay, Edward. I think what other questions I'm looking at your questions Castle. So the next next question I had basically just going through the soil medium that I was going to use and again keeping it simple organic soil it go it kind of just having the nutrients that I need for the most part in the soil is going to use Firearms the ocean Forest blend and I read that that can be a little hot with the nutrients. Little bit intense for young plants. So it's going to do a 30 percent perlite mix on that and call it good and use that so, you know, hopefully that'll be good. I don't hopefully I won't run into any nutrient burn with that at all. I have some advice for you as far as I mean, you're in Michigan. Yep, there is a mix called Michigan made mix M3, and it's some of the best Soil on the planet Earth and it's pretty cheap and available locally to you. There's a guy I highly respect on Instagram goes by Mass medical strains there breeder and they made the strain star pupil which a bunch of their trains go by pupil at the end, but they have tested over 30 percent THC and they recommend using this soil because all they ever add is water and they've tried Compost teas, they tried microbes and all the companies that at all this stuff and they're like the best results have ever gotten are using just the soil and water. No, it makes perlite or anything into it. Nothing. Hi the bag fill it up and add water I'm doing and so I was like, I was jealous. Actually. I looked it up. I'm going to visit my soon-to-be fiance family and Arizona and we are going to pick up some of this oil just to try it ourselves because like When you see a testimony like that from a very trustworthy individual, well who's like look all I do is add water and I'm growing really bomb plants and it's organic and I looked into it. They, you know looked at recipes from studies over time and figure it out it grows basically any and everything this M3 soil you can grow, you know, tomatoes and fruit and whatever in there but it happens also grow really great cannabis, okay. Like that's really great. And I mean it eliminates, you know a step and it's still organic and support local businesses to so I'm gonna definitely use that sold. So to quote them I found the post and I'll send this to Shane it says anyways, I just buy a bag of Michigan mix M3 and Let er Rip no pH nothing just water from the sink. Our facility is filtered from chloramines chlorine fluoride and sediment with a lot of minerals kept in so I'm assuming like calcium and magnesium and stuff that comes through tap its filtered tap and pH is about nine, which that's really high. If your use of cannabis growing the soil buffers it just fine, but I get better results if I adjusted pH myself perhaps but I have no time for that at all. Why break up? What are y break what isn't fixed? I mean why fix it if it ain't broken? But yeah, this is Mass medical strains on Instagram. He has 40 point five thousand followers and Yeah, this dude's the real deal. I've smoked some of his flower and seeing a lot of his crosses and seen a lot of good Growers take his stuff and he's really representing for Mass Massachusetts. One of the bigger names coming out of that side. But yeah, if I had access more readily to that soil, I think I would definitely be at least trying to grow in it. All right. I'll give it up. I'll give you a spoon. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's Michigan made mix.com Google I'll be able to find it. But yeah, so all the followers will know and yeah this I like to support especially companies that produce good quality materials for people like us whether it's intended for us or not if we can benefit from it and help our friends benefit from it. That's what it's all about sharing that information and helping everyone have access. Oh, yeah. I'm actually yeah. I'm on their side now and it's yeah, it's M3. Made mix that cam so if anybody wants to go check them out. Yeah, you can call Swan you can call Bernie, you know, they're on they have their own. Yeah there. I mean, I'm I've I've never used it but it looks but it looks pretty cool though. For sure. Thanks Jen. I'm happy to have been able to give the suggestion and I heard Michigan and it just sort of run around my head the whole podcast and it just hit me like a train perfect. Yeah, so I will use that soil as far as water goes. I was just going to use as Moses purified water has to go around the grocery store and you know get gallon containers a purified water. You know, I don't know if that's necessary. I could probably use tap water just fine, but I'm just going to go with something that in this case. It might be beneficial for you use tap water with a simple a lot of He's like booze not booze Brew Boogie Brew compost tea company. They sell these little filters that you can stick on like your hose or underneath your sink, which will filter out like chlorine or chlorine mines, which are the main things that will actually cause lockouts and nutrient deficiencies in your soil, but allow you to get some of the naturally occurring positive. Yeah minerals in there and that seems to be what Mass medical is doing I Would use our oh in the case that you're using a synthetic base line or a even an organic line like nectar for the gods, which is it's a bottled nutrient quote unquote, but it's all organic. But if you're going to mix that with RO water that is going to add nutrients in there. But if you're just giving RO water to organic soil, there's nothing in that RO water. So it's really leaving it all up to the soil and I think sometimes it's beneficial to give like a Or to give any sort of like cal-mag. I'll like there's a lot of memes online people will say there's a yellow plant needs more cal-mag or any issue. They'll say needs more cow mag, because a lot of the time people just don't have enough calcium and magnesium in their feed and their plant gets sick or people think that's what's wrong because any number of issues are over-watering or under watering people say needs more cow Meg. So it's definitely good to have some of those natural Trace. Roles people will even by those and mix them into their soil ahead of the time and I'm sure that's part of what the Michigan made me X is is a lot of trace minerals. So here is probably a dumb question. But if you have one of those filters and you're using tap water, well that filter change the pH level it all of the water come out of the tap or no. It doesn't really touch that. I'm not afraid to say I do not know I gotta tell you something. I think it run a citizen science. Experiment on it and get back to us. That'd be cool to know because I I've never actually checked. I personally my line a lot of my stuff is organic and like you was talking about in that post y pH at if you don't have to I personally my whole line doesn't require me to pH ever my last two grows. I haven't paged a single time at any point and things have gone spectacularly. So I if your system requires that or if you're having issues That's usually a good time to check on the pH but pH is not something I think would be regularly recording like as you mentioned earlier. Is there anything I'd be kicking myself. If I didn't regularly report like par is not something I would regularly record. It's something you could check when you adjust your light to see. Okay. It's at 24 inches. Now. What's my par and see like are the plants growing? Well, did I get burn on the Leafs from it being too close? Did they get stretchy from being too far? What was the par when they started stretching? It's too low at that level. So those are things that you can record if you'd like. I know my first grow and my tent was like a new challenge for me. So I recorded a lot of stuff and then the second grow I was so much more comfortable. I really just recorded what I believe matters. Like when was it fed? How much was it fed? What the temperature and humidity are because I think those are things I like to have in retrospect looking back at aggro. My look at my yields and look at the Quality and see did anything go off track throughout and if so, where could I make improvements? Yeah, it makes sense. Maybe what I'll do is I'll while I've got my my tent set up and I'm kind of measuring the environment before I start I could just do a little pH measurement off the tap in to see where I'm at. And if it's you know, not something crazy high can just roll with a filter coming off the Yeah, well and even if it is crazy high if you're going into that M3 mix it seems like I hate to say organic soil is a very good natural buffer. And so it turns that 9 if you measure your runoff, it's probably going to be like a five or a six. It's just something organic soil is sort of at a place between Art and Science at this point. It's like magic a little bit. Even the most top soil experts. I've listed the hour-long podcast about compost and all the bacteria and fungi in the soil and I've read a lot of the teeming with microbes and teeming with bacteria books and even the top experts in the field will tell you like it's not an exact thing. They can't tell you like salt-based regiment would be able to tell you exactly how much calcium is in there exactly how much nitrogen's in there with a living soil things are changing constantly the bacteria are eating stuffs getting up taken steps. Broken down becoming more available to be released to the plant and it's constantly changing. So soil has a hold whole different sort of ball game. It's very fascinating to me. It's kind of its kind of nice. It's sort of an Ode to not overthinking it too. I mean if it's if it's so variable and it's still working. Yeah, that's maybe the nature nature who's feeding the Redwoods, right? That's what they all say. Who's going up and feed. In Bottle nutrients to the Redwoods. No one nature is taking care of itself. It's letting that it's the ultimate example of no till the leaves are falling off its getting broken down by the bacteria on the fourth floor and I've been up to Northern California and been through the Redwoods and they're big giant beautiful trees and doesn't need any salt based regiment. Yes, you know some if you guys want to know more about soil. I did a I did a podcast with medically fit On YouTube and he knows I mean this guy he is pretty much a soil Pro. So, you know, you can go on YouTube and check them out. I did a podcast with them. It came out last week. I believe it was last week. It was what's it? I mean, I'm II know I'm plugging my own stuff here, but I love it. Hey, right. Hey, man, I listen to your show pretty religiously. I'll say I'm probably one of your biggest fans. I love even when I'm not on especially when when I'm not on I can't hear my own voice too much. Yeah. Well, it's funny because when I started to do this, I couldn't hear my own voice either. I didn't listen to any of my shows which in retrospect was kind of a stupid thing to a do because some like some of my earlier show like really really like first and second. I mean, which is now about a year ago. I mean they were almost next to impossible to a here but I mean, you know, I mean that was when I was kind of messing around, I mean not that I'm not part of the process right exactly. Start somewhere, you know, right right. Yeah. So yeah. So anybody that is listening check out my podcast last week with Med fit on why nutrient density is important and excuse me. I'm sorry that that's not it. That's why input well inputs you choose are important. Well, no. Well, I did that that one that was that was released four days ago. That was that was Michael ebonheart from docks HUD from From from Docks but High bricks okay on on Instagram and he actually reached out to me again and he wants to be on the show. So Michael if you are listening in I would love to have you back on but the show that I was referring to from medically fit that that show is titled. Why should you care why you should care about amendments you put in your soil and that's then that is show number 49. The cheap Homeworld podcast. So if you guys want to know more about soil and really Med fit listen to that podcast and go to YouTube and type in medically fit and tell them that Shane from cheap home grow sent you there like a pro at plug-in now and you're in the podcast game, you're like that sounded like a clip like you hit a soundbar something. That was beautiful. Well, you know, I'm a doing so much of these lately man. It's just You know, it's kind of I guess in a sense. It's kind of becoming second nature if you will and and and really Jack I mean the effect that I I know you right and we kind of you know, we have a good we have a pretty good rapport and I've talking to Ed the past couple days. So, you know, it's just I don't know it's just becoming a lot more a lot more natural for me. So, you know, I guess that's it. That's one good thing about talking into a computer, you know on the on the weekends. So yeah, but but anyway guys, let's get back. Let's get back on task right back back on test. Let's go back into the questions. So it was a great soil discussion and pH with the water. And the next thing I was looking at doing is when the plant starts to grow. Doing low stress training and I you know researched a bit into this and basically I'm not gonna overthink this either. My plan is just to start tying down the Plant pretty much as soon as I can making sure, you know that the top leaves aren't any higher than the rest of them and I've seen some interesting tutorials most men straining where they'll tie the main stock down and kind of Let It Go in a horizontal spiral as the plant gets bigger. I don't even know that I had to put that much thought into it. Maybe I should but I'm just going to kind of bring it down as I see it and just kind of trying to keep it even so that's my plan there. I don't know if if that's good enough if any recommendations there, but I don't feel too intimidated by by that aspect of it. As far as training goes with Autos. It's a philosophy thing. I would say listening to Shane's previous podcast with Green Goddess supplies Eric. I think he said he doesn't believe in topping mottos and All Because he believes that there's a strong connection to the apical meristem the main Chute and if you mess with that you're going to mess with like the flavor and vigorousness and a whole bunch of other stuff. So I like that you're sort of on the low stress string plan. Of not even considering the topping, but I do know that people out there a lot of people do at least a single top and then they do luscious training from that point what year considering of like kind of tying down the top and then letting the rest of it growing like a horizontal spiral is a possibility to any way that you can fix the side branches and even top Branch to the pot or like the wall or whatever you can take strings or garden tie. There's a million. Different things yarn, whatever you have available, as long as it's not like going to dig in and damage the plant or get a bunch of stuff all over the plant anything convenient that you can tie it down. I personally use like the twisty tie that you'd see on like a bag of bread or something. It comes in a giant spool with a cutter on it really convenient that you just press down and it Clips the size that you need and then I'll use whatever I can like a push pin and put End of the side of the fabric pot and tie the twisty tie to the push pin and then tie the other end to the branch and bend it into the position. Okay? Yeah, I'm not going to get crazy and build any sort of grid around the plants for a canopy or anything. Yeah. It was Autos. I think a lot of the people that put like a trellis netting or they call it a screen a screen of green or scrog are all terms that people commonly throw out there with that style of growing a lot of times they just Just have it grow straight through it and they don't end up using the trellis at all because Autos have a tendency to want to just grow straight up and have a big main stock huge top bud and then a few smaller side buds. So I mean, I've seen them get as tall as five or six feet in height, but it just depends on the people's grow environment and the lights they're growing under in the strain that they're growing some call themselves Auto xl's and those will get to those higher Heights, but typical Autos will only Three maybe four feet in height Max. Yeah, this is basically to try and keep no part of that of the plant from getting closer to the light than the rest of it, you know, and that's kind of that's it. So yeah. I also haven't seen a lot of like high-stress training or super cropping used with autos, and I wasn't sure why but maybe it just doesn't have a great effect. I know I Shane you had some folks in your podcast before that. We're all about cropping autos and it's going for it and see what happens yet heard. I thought there was one woman that you've had a couple times use. Yeah kind of scientist, and she I thought I heard her saying she was a cheater. Does it already was thinking about just kind of going for it soon, right? Well that That is that is Jenny. Aka Miss snooty grows on Instagram. Right? She let me go she came on actually I just did I just really sit on the show with her few weeks ago. But yeah now she talked about shriek. Let me see if I can I should get it here. She talked about strategic defoliation. Yeah, she talked about learn how to learn how to stress strain and deflate your cannabis plants, which was released a few months ago. Yeah, she talked about that. I believe during that podcast and I well this is one thing that I've you know learned now, I believed she was talking about or she was referring to photo periods. Okay. I don't believe although I can ask her. I don't believe she was referring to automatics. If you want to see an example of an auto grower who has successfully topped and mainlined go to Instagram at Green 75 underscore know it's kind of a weird name. There's a another green 75 out there who's not him. He's got 20 points six thousand followers at the time were recording this and currently has five Auto flowers in their little looks like a 4x4 set up, but they're one of the better Auto flower Growers. I've found on Instagram and They've really done a good job in proving to me that you can top and train them and at least get like a great yield and good-looking plant. I don't know how the quality of the smoke is. I have not smoked their flower what that is wrong. What's wrong? They're handle was it green? 75 underscore. Just nothing after that. It's says just another cannabis grower. Feel free to share pics. Just tag me in them, please YouTube videos as well with At lucky acres and yeah, so this green 75, I've been following them for a long time when I got my tent. I actually thought about growing flowers because Blue Dream Matic by fast buds is one. I'm a big blue dream fan. I was the first train I grew when I got back into growing. I took a little Hiatus and started growing a lot smaller scale and when I got back into it my tents only five feet high by three and a half feet wide. Buy one and a half feet deep. So with the tiny space I thought about growing Autos but ended up going with what I was more familiar with and just aggressively training and doing a short veg period to make it work and we're let's get back to some of your questions. We're talking. I saw three total. Do you suggest wet shrimp or some set number six is Will Edgar pick up from there? Because we talked about training a little bit and I gave out some people that they could go follow if they want to see Plant training on an odd. Oh sure and then basically kind of grow the plant to harvest and I was planning on doing a minor wet trim and flush three to four days before Harvest but to be honest, I'm not sure I don't you know, I just in research. It's just something that a lot of folks do but I don't know why I would be doing it to help truth. So that was a question. And I had is is flashing really necessary and then the the wet trim before for the trim before the Harvest is that because that needed so I will say flushing I would say is absolutely necessary. There's a lot of chlorophyll in the leaves that is going to make the smoke a little bit harsher. So when you flush a literally see the color fading out of the plant and the leaves on the fans will either turn yellow Whoa, some Fade to Black Shades different fall colors, like Reds and oranges, but during that process you're releasing things like anthocyanins and and things that would stay in the plant that are actually healthy if you were to juice it and eat it, but we most people are using it for the psychoactive effects or the medical effects of the CBD or the THC and flushing is going to reduce the amount of nutrients that have been up taken in. Do the plant. This is what I've been told. I don't know a lot of people argue the science of this but the theory is that by giving pure water only and no nutrients. And by the way, that's what you're going to be doing is you're an organic soil, but the final flushes more of your almost over watering on purpose. You're like literally flooding the medium and then letting it dry completely out flooding it and then letting it dry completely out and by doing that a lot of people believe you force the plant to dump any of the remaining nutrients that it's holding onto that were used like nitrogen helps it grow tall and veg, but late in flower, you're going to be using more of the PK in the traditional NPK format of potassium and phosphorus. So those other elements that are in the plant that are helping it Bud need to be sort of flushed out so we can just enjoy the resin the THC or the CBD that's on the resinous trichome. And not be smoking nutrients and minerals and water which is in the plant. So actually most people suggest much longer than three day flush. If if you're running like a synthetic thing people do two weeks of flushing with just water and not adding any nutrients with Organic. I mean since your plan is to just be feeding water just like I said, probably heavier waters for that last 3-4 feeds those last like week. To two weeks to help get any of the stuff that's on and around the roots sort of Flushed off of it cleaned off and help the plant dump any remaining nutrients that it's built up throughout the grow. Okay, and then for a flush just the details with the exactly what that looks like. So, you know, basically there be a bass and a pan to catch her underneath and you just be completely saturated the soil until this is dripping out. Yes, and you want to do like 10 20 percent runoff during the flush. Shhhh, so I actually when I'm watering traditionally I always have either a pan or like I said, let it rip to the bottom of the 10th. Right and I water to about 5 to 10 percent runoff or where I just see it begin to come out the bottom of the pot and people newer Growers will mistake this if they water quickly and like aggressively sometimes the water will drip out of the bottom of the pot almost right away and your plants not ready. You need to fully saturate the medium. So if you see it trickling out a little bit at the start switch from one plant to another plant. Go back and forth and really slowly and evenly water as much as you can until you just barely see water evenly trickling out of the bottom of the pot and I think it's good to mentally count to like 10 seconds after you've completely soaked the top and let it kind of sink down and if you don't see any drips, then it's a good place to then reapply some more water if your hand watering. Okay, and then once you do that during a flush period and you get like 20 percent runoff then your Then you're good. And then you just okay and you're going to suck that out of there because it's going to make it the humidity in the room will be so much higher with say you're in a five gallon pot to get 20% run off your and be watering a lot of water and that water is going to be in the tray and that water in the tray is going to evaporate up into the room. And then the room is more humid. And in late flower, especially at the very end. You want it to be dry. So like that last week your first first flush the first time you do it, you're gonna want to take like a shop vac or I used to use like a siphon pump that I bought on Amazon pretty cheaply that you could just pump the water out into a different container and remove it from the tent so that it's not making it super like humidity high cuz that'll prevent the buds from being dense. It'll make them a lot more Airy and loose like a more tropical but would be and I think a lot more people prefer that more dense Harder by that you can pop in your grinder and it grinds up nice and heavy and you get a lot out of it. All right. I know how to flush now. That's as far as harvest I guess but the couple of the remaining questions I have are just around when to actually cut the plant down and basically looking at the pistols first like once I kind of see those change colors, I start paying attention to the cry trichomes. Yeah, that's That's a traditional approach. I actually suggest one of the pieces of equipment everyone should buy is either there's microscope so you can hook up to your phone that go up to like a thousand X Zoom, but I actually use just a manual. It's like a Jeweler's loupe, but extended its a hundred X Zoom microscope and it is perfect. It's called a trichome stick by Honor the plant or honor cannabis. It's a brand but on Amazon they make ones that are not cannabis branded for like five bucks less, but it's just a hundred eggs. Ooh. Umm, you can even get like 30 to 40 or 60 x Zoom to see the trichomes but I prefer a hundred so you can really see the head very clearly. I personally Harvest when I'm at like 90 percent cloudy trichomes. So you'll see when you're growing early stages their Crystal Clear like glass and you can see straight through them. They have almost no smokiness or like that effect to it. That's like a gray almost plastic look versus a clear glass or like ice. Look to it. Once it starts to get cloudy. It depends breeders will tell you it's going to be ready in 50 days or 60 days from when you sprout it. It might take a hundred days. I hate to say it. A lot of Auto flower breeders will just blatantly put out false week times because maybe they were able to get it to do that one time and express a really early finish. But even like the best Growers, I've seen like a chef Anna and like the screen 75 and other respected out of flower Growers. I think because it is from seed you're going to have a little bit slightly different fee know every time so even if you're growing, you know, false teeth or something by Mephisto and you have two seeds of that same strain you grow them side-by-side one might be four feet tall and it might be three feet tall and one might grow with like a ton of side Buds and one micro with just a huge main bud with only a few tiny little side buds. So that's one of those things where people will say that sort of a downfall of autos because you can't clone it. Going to have genetically identical copies every single time but the better breeders are getting more and more consistent at trying to have them be similar in effect and growth structure. Well and then so will you said you wait till about 90% cloudy if I'm looking for that 10% not are they hiding anywhere anywhere? I should be paying extra Dazzle ear and beginning to show Amber so that I say 90 because I look for or and it's just rough but like 90 is a good percentage for me to say it's almost all cloudy when I look at it. It's like the whole section if I see it out of the hundred trichomes in the little millimeter. That's under my Hundred X, you know about 90% of them are plasticy looking Almost White some of them are starting to get yellow or even Amber the I see it's almost like a pissy yellow before it begins to get Amber and that's where I really want to pull it before. I don't like the sedative effects and a lot of my strains because I'm a daytime user for the most of the part and if you look into the effects of the trichomes, if you harvest earlier on when it's still clear, the user is going to have a more in their head effect, which can actually be negative and cause paranoia and a lot of strains even if it's not like a heady strain. You're going to feel it more anxiety provoking and it's just different levels of the cannabinoids and their balance and when the the Trichomes are completely cloudy. I think it expresses itself. Just right. So if it's an Indica, it's going to hit you in the body or if it's like supposed to make you relax is going to make you feel relaxed. If it's supposed to make you feel uplifted. It'll make you feel uplifted. So that in the middle milky trichome area is when you want to pull in my opinion for most Reigns because if you let it go Amber it will get more sedative and more relaxing and I guess if that's what you're aiming for you can do that on purpose and let it run a little longer some people tend to That because it'll feel a little bit more potent and they know that they didn't pick it early. It's picking early is really going to hurt your yields. So that's one thing you're going to want to avoid as you really got two distinct you ate between your milky trichomes and you really want to look at the buds the actual bracket and let the swollen part of the but the flower not the fan leaves. If you look at the fan leaves the trichome colors will be different way sooner. So it might look like it's ready at day 40 if you're looking at a family because It's the trichomes might be milky and Amber because it might have been bumped by your hand as you're moving stuff around that will actually cause some early development for Amber trichomes. If you ever see like why is that one red trichome on there? It's probably because it got bumped into or not buy something. But yeah, the other thing is it's sort of like bacon cooking in a pan. When you stop cooking bacon and you throw it on a plate the bacon keeps cooking for like a minute and a half two minutes till so you want to pull it a little bit before it's completely done or else Is going to like overcook so that's why I go for the 90 percent milky because when I pull it dry it and hear it by the time that curing process is done that 90% has become 95 to 99% milky and then there's just a little bit of like yellow. So it's almost a hundred percent milky trichomes, which is really what I'm aiming for. Okay. Flowering phase should it, you know, should I be trimming some of the families at all? It doesn't matter that much some would argue that that's your biggest job as a gardener as far as like maintaining a plant then as people like Eric Green Goddess who think that it negatively impacts as yields by it's called defoliating in cannabis people generally refer to that as deflating. I believe you should deflate the bottom 1/3 of the plant no, Because it's going to get so little light that those smaller lower buds are never going to produce the type of quality in cannabinoids and visual appearance that anyone's going to want. So a lot of people do what's called lollipop it and they strip anything from a certain part of the plant down so it can use its energy from the light and from the nutrients in the soil to expend it in the place that you want it most which is the top buds. Could aggressive low-stress training compensate for not doing that kind of trimming. I'm if you group that's the idea essentially as you want to move the leaves that are blocking light to the lowers by doing that low-stress training, which is essentially you're going to bend the top stuff out of the way. So the lower stuff can get right down to it. And that's why a lot of people love trellis nets for like Photo periods or because the way that you can bend them because they don't mind being taught. You can top them once and just tuck them underneath the screen and light can get all the way down to the middle of the plant and you can get all sorts of crazy side shoots and crazy large yields off of even just one plant and a lot of people like to go for that because they have plant counts. They can only grow x amount of plants per their State's regulations or just for this year impressiveness of like saying hey, I grew over a pound on a plant indoors that's challenging out of it. Yeah, so so stress training, I would say training is where you see the most skill involved as a grower because otherwise like nature is doing work you water it when it's needs the water you give it light when it says it's supposed to have it like you're really just tending to the plant a lot of people think of it as like there are these Master Growers out there and they do some crazy things but really it's about sourcing the right equipment both the lights the tents the fans and getting the right nutrients material whether In a bottle or in a soil and just making sure you're paying attention. So on the plant has any issues you can respond to it and fix it before it becomes detrimental. You're just trying to ease it through its process all the way to the end and make sure that those have any major catastrophes and once you get good enough at it, you can learn about dialing in all the little Perfection stuff cool. All right. Yeah, and then basically once I'm ready D to harvest as is planning on cutting the plants down and hanging upside down in the same tent because it's kind of a Stila controlled environment so I can keep tabs in the humidity and have it right level and basically, I don't know exactly how long to hang it for I that this that part of the gross so far out. I haven't dove into the research on that as much I can tell you the perfect. It's 100% pretty much agreed across across the board is Most people would say if you want the best quality you don't wet trim at all. So you leave all the families on their you let them curl around about you chop the entire plant and then hang it for 14 days at 60% humidity 60 degrees as close as that you can get to as possible and it's 10 to 14 days because at about 10 days you go in and you start to bend the stems and if they snap their ready because the humidity Antigen the plant is about 10% or less. But if they're like bending still or if you break it and it's like stringing off and not cracking completely. Like if you go to break a live plant like a tree you try and break its tree branch. It's not going to want to break because it's green and healthy and alive, but if you see a dead branch on the ground you snap it in half it pops like no problem. So you want to get it a little bit before it's that crispy bone dry like snaps no problem, but right when it starts to get a clean break Usually when people will start their dry tram and go to the jars or I personally prefer brown paper bag for 24 to 48 hours because it lets some of the humidity out of the inside of the buds to the leaves that may have overly dried and it evens out before you can trim Okay cool. So to read to shorten that up 10 to 14 days at 60% humidity and 60 degrees and then after that 24 Hours in a sealed brown paper bag and from there, you can trim all the fan leaves off and put it into a glass jar and you want to open those lids for the first week or so and roll the buds around so that the humidity doesn't cause mold inside. Okay, and I was going to do use like those cigar humidor humidity strips Jarrett. Do you think those are hi I'm a big huge fan of The Integra boost I'm not a fan of the Boveda and I'm not paid by either of them. But in my experience, I worked at a medical dispensary for a few years. I worked at a medical delivery service for a few years and at both those places, they used Boveda and I had the task of smelling the Cannabis and writing up the description for the cannabis for the users and I always got it in the bag directly from The Growers and the Breeders and I got to smell it. See what it smelled like taste it sample it and really understand what it looked and smelled like and then they would put it into the jars with the Boveda packs which are a salt-based semi-porous package. So that actually is pulling its a to a humidifier. It sets the dryer to about 62 percent RH which is perfect. That's where you want it but Boveda because it's the salt it changes the flavor and it actually takes away the terpenes it starts to smell like and it is only happen. In about a hundred jars 75 of them were fine, but 25 of them had a really chemically nasty almost you could smell the but we gotta pack on the weed and that just turned me off like so badly and I told these guys you guys got to do something like we need something different something different. So we needed to stay at that perfect percentage. You can use like a fresh cannabis leaf 3 hydrate. Dry. Bud. Some people used to try and say orange peels, but those actually bacteria or like grape cut in half but cannabis leaf is a good Option if you have it, but for those who don't Integra booster packs, it's a vegetable glycerin. It's food-safe ink and they have this little card that it comes with that has a pink dot and when that pink dot on the cardboard returns blue your package is no longer keeping it at 62% humidity. So, you know exactly when to replace it and this brand I have not noticed any smell on I've tried it with and without pecs with my own product and with People's product it freshens up people that didn't cure up there bud properly like a bios to get it from somebody who grew their own. I always throw it into a jar with an integral pack just to see how much better and fresher. I can get it. Okay, that's cool. That's really great. And that that pretty much that goes through my pool plan. We went through all my equipment and kind of that the hand that I have been Bayesian form. So I really appreciate that. That can I rattle off real quick. Just the changes that I'm making or thinking of making just based off this conversation. Yeah, that's really not. Absolutely. Yeah. I made notes here. I'm switching from the are passed out the clock paths. Okay. I'm going to get risers make sure I get risers for the for the pots to keep them off the floor to control for temperature. I'm going to take a look at the LEDs and potentially Maybe. With something with it, you know like a cop style a little bit better. We'll see about that and then they'll be discouraged. If you do need the Chinese LED just to say that because if you start off there it's a place to start it will gain you into it and they do work. Like I said, but continue on sorry, I'd rather do it once right. So I'll take a closer look at that and then the water plus the hydrogen peroxide on the seed. I'm going to look into that. I'm going to try that. I know I am I'm going to skip the Solo Cup and probably transplant plug right into the pot and then I'm going to swap out the humidity controls in the jar from the Vita to the Integra boost pack. So just based off this there's been some some tweaks and changes and things that I'm gonna be looking at. So as a great this is really fun and I just was checking out the last thing because I remember I read this earlier when I was looking over the questions. To sort of prepare for the podcast you had said finally you'd like to hear if there was sort of any general Philosophy from a grower to see maybe about the approach of The Craft and the mindset and one of the things I've really learned a lot from the best Growers. I've come across here in California and even being back in Ohio. There's some dudes that are Wizards with like deep water culture Hydroponic and there's a lot of different styles of doing it, but one thing I've seen that Sort of a good general rule is a lot of the time less is more. So with water with nutrients with you know, even light less less can be more because a lot of people tend to overdo things, especially when they're new they want to think. Oh, well, I need to water my plant every day. And then if they start to see like it doesn't look completely soaked. I'm going to water it again and they start watering like two three times a day and it becomes a big product. They're over-watering and just over doing things in general even like training some people over stress their plant by taking too much Leaf off at one time or bending it too hard. So go slow, you know, don't do anything too crazy or out there on your first run. It's okay to keep it pretty simple, especially with Autos. I mean, you can literally set them in forget them. They will grow straight up and be a fairly decent harvested plant just sat in its pot and watered so Always good to consider, you know, alright. Alright. Alright guys now now this is a question or I guess a statement that I always like to make at the end of the podcast and I will be asking both you Jack and you as well Ed, are there any other any final statements that you guys would like to make or are there any questions that I or Edward should be asking? Edward you can go ahead and start. Yeah. Yeah. So um, no, I feel I just feel you know, pretty pretty grateful to have the opportunity to talk and learn. I love learning. I love experimenting and trying new things. So I'm just I'm excited to to give a first grow a try and see where that leads. So just I'm just excited to get going and learn. All right, and how are you? A jack so as far as growing is concerned I will say this because you are not a cannabis user yourself. I don't know if you do plan to intend on using it at any point in your growing process. If it ever makes you curious or not, but having not experienced it really try and listen to your friends or I would call them patients because I personally believe all cannabis use is medical whether they're using it to get high and have fun that to me is Like stress relief but there also is like medical benefits of anti-inflammation all that things. Anyway, I say all that to say listen very closely to the opinions of your quote like Stoner friends because not smoking it you won't have the same respect for the effects of the plant and you may want to just grow the one that grows the best you're like. Oh man that won by my fist Jose yielded so much. It looked pretty it smelled good to me. Like I liked how it grew but everyone's like, yeah, but that It doesn't smoke great. It's like too racy or whatever or to sedative or whatever. It is. The big ultimate end all say all foremost cannabis users is the effect. So whether it's desirable or undesirable has almost nothing to do with the growth pattern sometimes so some stuff that grows tall and is difficult is really enjoyable smoke so Just remember sometimes that even though it's not the easiest to grow or the best growing or best-looking bets it might have one of the best effects and as somebody who's not using it that's a huge part of what people are looking for in cannabis. That's great advice. I've already Enlisted the help of several phone calls to me. I want their feedback and have no shortage of volunteers and I was gonna say I'm sure willing willing testers and volunteer. Really into that and I can't wait to do it. So great man. Well, hey good on you for trying to help your friends out and and to do what Shane and I have always advocated which is to do it yourself and give yourself a clean source and with that M3 mix. I think you're on the right Avenue and you and your friends will have access to clean awesome cannabis very soon. Cool. Thanks. It was great talking with you guys. I think what do you think Shane said about it? We're going to wrap up. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's about it. This is going on. This is going quite for quite some time. And listen guys. I appreciate both you guys coming on the show and you know, I hope to I hope to talk to you guys again soon. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah and Jack I really appreciate it. This has been just awesome. So I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. It's just I think it's so cool and no problem and if you guys are Is what I'm up to you can always find me at Jack Greene stock on Instagram all one word, Jack Green stalk s ta LK and jacket in my intro. I will definitely shout that out for you know, I know I'm just like I watched too many YouTube videos and you gotta get them at the beginning and the end because people like me who actually listen to the end and we're like picking her nose and we go and smoke a bowl and we're like shit. I didn't even follow that guy but now I hit him with it at the end boom follow at Jack Greene stock and going to go and check out like them. You actually does grow some pretty good looking but I might be able to listen to this guy. Yeah good habits. And all right, so I'm going to smoke a bowl. Have a great rest of your evening peace and love to the community. Thank you all talking with me this evening. All right. Peace. Take it easy. Hey everybody. This is Shane from the cheap homegirl podcast and let me know if If you enjoyed this new format, you can reach out to me on social media and on my website at cheap home grow.com. Thanks for listening to my podcast with Jack and Edward. You can follow Jack on Instagram at Jack Green stalk. Again, that is Jack Green stalk. I hope you've enjoyed this episode and please remember to press the Subscribe button. You can visit cheap homegrown. Grow.com forward backslash episode 58 to get show highlights and you can also get Edwards first year grow plan PDF, that will be a downloadable file. So, please go ahead and download that file. And also, please remember to watch my live YouTube show every Sunday night at 7 p.m. Eastern time. You can visit cheap homegrown Dot-com forward backslash YouTube to subscribe. Thanks everybody. I'll see you next week. I am reaching out to you to ask you really one question and I want to know how am I doing as a podcaster? What topics do you want me to cover? Is there anything specific please reach out to me? Please? Get back to me. 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Today podcast was one that I’m particularly proud of because the person that was asking most of the questions during the podcast is an individual that’s seeking to learn how to grow cannabis not necessarily for himself but for his family members. During this podcast, I’ll introduce you to Edward, who’s the individual that was asking most of the growing questions and Jack from (@jackgreenstalk). I noticed Edward shared one of my podcast on Reddit and I reached out to him to say thank you. We got to talking, and Edward had some questions about growing. I could have answered his questions, but I felt Jack was best suited to answer his beginning growing questions. Edward provided the Cheap Home Grow Nation was a downloaded PDF file you can download on the website (URL below). If your a beginner or even experienced cannabis grower and would like to come on the CHG podcast, please reach out to me and send me a DM. Let me know what you think about the podcast in the comments below.

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This is your audio horoscope and month ahead forecast for cancer season cancer season extends between June 21st and July 22nd, and it's the time of the year when the sun illuminates the part of the sky that we call cancer and the body ruler ships emotional associations behaviors Etc of cancer are highlighted. If you want to learn more about cancer again, please listen to the cancer season. Port from embodied astrology and you can learn all about how to work with that energy in general now for you cancer as a fellow water sign rules a very personal place in your chart and this has to do with the meaning you make for your life. This is the place kind of right before we get into your life purpose. It's not quite your path or your career, whatever it is that you set out to do but it is what underlies is that what's important to you your philosophy about the world how you seek to expand and grow and make sense of this place and your place in it as the sun moves into the sign Cancer. It illuminates other planetary energies that are currently in cancer Mars has been in cancer for about a month and a half now mercury has been in cancer for the last couple of weeks and the North Node has been in cancer since last summer so Mars is the planet. A lot of action it is will force desire passion. It's how we assert ourselves and what we want to put ourselves out to in the world Mercury is the communication Planet it signifies words language listening thoughts and exchanges through intellect and concept the North Node is opposite to the South node. And the nodal axis is where the eclipses happen where the Earth's ecliptic meet up with. The moon's orbit and our relationship to the Sun the North Node signifies karmic point in the chart. It is the karma that we are being propelled and compelled towards it's what we have to move towards. So as the sun moves into cancer and brings illumination and we're Consciousness to this part of the chart. It's also bringing added emphasis to these other planetary energies and karmic significance over the course of the next. Thirty Days, there's quite a lot of emphasis in this part of your chart that has to do with your personal growth with the way that you are reaching into your path. What makes sense to you? Why are you doing it? How is it that you're seeking to grow to expand your mind to enrich your own experience and really to broaden your perspective broaden your horizons and take advantage of opportunities as we get into the month the first 10 days or so. So cancer season feature couple of aspects that I think for many people will bring quite a lot of energy now everybody is probably going to feel both the agitating frustrating maybe even fearful aspects of this energy as well as some potential excitement and more positive aspects of this energy, but particularly the first couple of days on the 23rd and 24th. listen Gemini forms some hard aspects in opposition to Jupiter in Sagittarius and in conjunct to Saturn in Capricorn in a square to Neptune in Pisces these aspects with Venus suggest that there's something to to work out or that you're working out in spaces of intimacy and vulnerability Gemini for you rules the solar eighth house that has to do with our emotional entanglements our fears our insecurities the kind of emotional experiences that tend to be very complex and hard to talk about because they include a lot of different things there's support for you right now to be communicating and to be sharing from this place definitely not to hide or to shut away from experiences that might be provocative or even a little bit triggering but actually to meet them with and mindedness with curiosity with positivity to allow yourself to be seen and vulnerability and really to kind of confront or approach any fears or trepidation or insecurities that you have with an attitude again of curiosity and open-mindedness, especially when it comes to your kind of sense of self-worth what it is that you bring to the world what it is that you bring to any Situation as well as money, if you're involved in negotiating for payment or kind of negotiating around finances with important other people this these situations may be highlighted on these days. There's to go back to the first example if you're working with insecurities or relationships, there may be some confusion right now in romances and relationships. And if there is confusion, it will be dispelled by open honest curious conversation and good-natured - try not to let yourself get shut down or move into a space of fear. Just take deep breaths in deep breaths out and remember everybody's growing and changing and when you bring your best self, you're going to be encouraging the best selves of the others that you're relating with to come forward now, this is also true if you're dealing with With money and if you are advocating or negotiating for payment particularly those of you who are independent contractors, or if you're a Creator make her an artist of any kind and you're seeking funding or support for any of your projects don't allow yourself to dwell and insecurities ask for what you're worth but ask for it in a way that is conversational not demanding your curiosity. This month is really a benefit to you. And it will get you much further than making any kinds of assumptions on June 26th Mercury enters Leo and it will Transit Leo for a little while before it begins its retrograde cycle and so on June 28 Mercury begins what's called its storm and on July 7th Mercury will station retrograde at 4 degrees of Leo. So this week or so between the 26th in July 7th. This is some of the trickier Terrain in the Mercury retrograde cycle during these days. You are especially advised to take things slow to be extra considerate about your Communications. Definitely not to make assumptions. If you can help it get as much information as you possibly can Leo rules your solar 10th house. This has to do with your path with your purpose with your career your Ambitions and aspirations and again cancer is the part of the Art that has to do with the the meaning that your make the way that you're reaching towards what you want and towards what's important to you. Since Mercury retrograde will move through early Leo and late cancer. The themes of both of these signs are highlighted and over the course of the couple of weeks of Mercury retrograde. You definitely want to take time considering what you're putting out into the world. And why what is your purpose? What is the meaning? What are the larger issues that you're seeking to address? Yes, or the larger questions that you're looking for answers to how you represent yourself in the world should be something that you spend some time thinking about especially when it comes to love and money. You want to be putting something out that you really feel good about that feels like it's coming from a place that's honest. That's transparent. That's tender not flamboyant not speculative not trying to perform anything that is grounded in some kind. Of external expectation or competition or anything like that on July first Mars enters Leo ours will Transit Leo through August 19th. Again, Leo rules. The part of the chart that has to do with your career your Public Image your path. Your purpose Mars is bringing energy. This gives you quite a lot of dynamism through the summer. It gives you support to get out there to put yourself in some kind of of more visible space to Center your projects to step up on a platform to take the stage in whatever way that makes sense for your life Mars can also bring aggression. So be mindful of your energy work skillfully with it enjoy confidence. This aspect can definitely bring you confidence, but it can also kind of bring an attitude of callousness. For some Mars and Leo can be a pretty big energy. So just make sure that you're feeling into again your own tenderness your transparency and performing in the world are presenting yourself in the world from a place that feels honest and true for you on July second. There's a new moon and solar eclipse at 10 degrees of cancer. Take a look at your natal chart and notice if you have any planetary placement around 10 degrees of the cardinal signs that includes cancer Capricorn Aries and Libra cancer again is the sign at the solar ninth house in Scorpio chart. So this is larger life purpose your big questions how you're seeking meaning in your life and really the path that you're on if you think about path as a journey and an exploration, the new moon is always a time for New Beginnings. Wings and a solar eclipse brings extra emphasis to the new moon brings a lot of power into this lunation. This is a time for you to be moving towards A New Path with cancer, especially the themes are inclusion acceptance tenderness warmth nurturing and nourishment on your path the more that you can include in a soft space for yourself the happier, you're going to be so one of the ways that I might think about this is sometimes we can feel our paths to be quite rigid. We might have a really strong sense of ambition or expectation for ourselves with this eclipse and cancer. You're really supported to include yourself entirely. If Ambitions feel rigid if they create stress in your body or stress in your mental state reflect on them for a while you want something that's sustainable you want to pass in a practice that you can come back to. Day, and that's going to bring you more joy than suffering. It's going to be more generative than depleting. So use this new moon and Eclipse energy to call in a new cycle for yourself in terms of the way that you are reaching into meaning that you're explaining your purpose here for yourself in this world in this life. And especially for those of you who are involved with teaching publishing broadcast or any kind of larger dissemination of knowledge and information this new moon and Eclipse can be especially powerful for you. Think about your impact. Think about what kinds of messages you want to be putting out there and how you want to be the carrier The Vessel of information again, inclusion and tenderness are really big themes and places to emphasize on July 3rd Venus moves into cancer bringing additional emphasis into this part of the chart Venus is a magnetic Beautiful attractive energy. It assists in your efforts. It assists in a broadening perspective and idea about path and what it is and where you're headed. It assists for all of you who are teaching and sharing information in any kind of way invite venusian energy into these ideas live in a state of love and grace remind yourself every day what you're grateful for and let that Focus be your Aviation let it be a foundation for all of your work on July 8th. We have a number of aspects Mercury and Mars from a conjunction and Leo Venus and the sun makes several aspects including on July 9th and opposition to Saturn and Chiron turns retrograde and we reach the second quarter Square in Libra. So a lot of planetary energy July 7th 8th 9th and 10th during these days. It's going Be important to move slow to move cautiously to move carefully, especially with Mercury and Mars conjunct and Leo and a very public place in your chart. Make sure that you are expressing yourself. Honestly. Once again, this is not a time for flamboyant speculation. This is a time for you to be very clear about what it is that you want to be putting out into the world and why Chiron is retrograde through mid-December in the Solar sixth house in the sign of Aries for or you and this is the place in the chart that has to do with your day-to-day your energy your schedule your health your jobs any kind of services that you perform and how you need to take care of your life in a really practical way Aries is a sign that needs to be authentic. It needs to assert its notion of self over the course of the next nine years with Chiron and Aries. You are making your life your own you want to separate from any ideas of what your life should look like any ideas that have been imposed On You by Family by Culture by any external influences, you need to live with your own schedule with your own rules and your own responsibility for your own body and health and that includes mental emotional and physical health as Chiron turns retrograde you're supported in these next five to six months to consider your schedule to consider your self-care and regimens and how you are Taking care of this very day to day very practical functioning. Remember if you don't have a body you're useless in the world your path cannot be explored your purpose cannot be defined. Take care of your body. Please get enough rest make sure that you're eating nourishing food. Make sure that you're filling your days at least somewhat with activities that Inspire your good-natured - that inspire you to live the kind of life that you want to be living. On July 14th the sun in cancer opposes Pluto in Capricorn and on July 16th Venus in cancer opposes Saturn in Capricorn and we'll have a full moon and lunar eclipses in Capricorn. So a lot of stimulation throughout the month and the cancer Capricorn axis the full moon and lunar eclipses are conjunct the South node. The South node. The opposite of the North Node is where we're releasing old Karma. So the North note is what we're moving towards the South node is what we are leaving behind Saturn and Pluto similarly suggest a kind of retraction or Reckoning a process of restructuring and asserting one's own empowerment by letting go of what has been guiding or kind of setting expectations that are really not helpful for you. In the Scorpio solar chart Capricorn rules the solar third house. This has to do with your communication style your mental activity. How you give language to your ideas? How you narrate your life to yourself. This is also the part of the chart that has to do with your immediate environments and clothes and connections for younger people or four people who are around siblings often. This is the place of siblings. If you're older, then you might consider here to be your school mates or your colleagues are your neighbors people who are around you that you might not necessarily choose but who are very much involved with the way that your understanding your world the world around you you're normal. These folks are involved in a process of socialization with you. They kind of helped you understand how to be social and how to function in the world. And I think it's probably clear how these influences then affect your mind your mental state and your communication. So with the South node Saturn and Pluto in this part of the chart, what is suggested is that you're letting go of old standards, you're letting go of old ways of thinking you may be letting go of old social situations getting yourself out of relationships or context or boxes that you feel are keeping yourself small. In opposition to everything that's happening in cancer around the North Node and in your 9th house. The suggestion here is that you expand your territory you expand your perspective you get out. You meet different kinds of people you reach into new philosophies New Paths, and you let your mind grow. The lunar eclipse is a powerful time to reflect on relationships in general and particularly to reflect on these kinds of relationships. Once again, please make sure to check And with embodied astrology at the new and the full moon for special offerings at all. Give to honor these energies and create some kind of ceremony or ritual around them finally on the last day of cancer season, which is July 21st Venus opposes Pluto Venus in cancer Pluto in Capricorn and the Sun and Mercury form a conjunction at the very last degree of cancer. These aspects are really powerful symbols for you in many of the ways that I've already been talking. About how you're expanding your mind how you're broadening your perspective how you are defining your path for yourself and what this means for your work in the world for what you are aspiring to for your Ambitions the Sun and Mercury coming together at the very last degree of cancer. Is this bridge between your purpose and path the way that you're asking questions about why you're here what your function? Is what you can offer what the meaning of something is and then what you do with it how you embody it this Mercury Sun Mercury conjunction sets off a new Mercury cycle that lasts until November 11th. This is a conceptual cycle where you're thinking about these themes and you're seeking to apply new ways of relating with them throughout these couple of months. So a lot of energy throughout cancer season for you. You'll early in the places of the chart that have to do with your larger purpose your sense of purpose in the world and how you're seeking to Define that purpose and what it means for you. I wish you all the best in this season. I hope this horoscope is useful for you. Thank you so much for listening and bye for now.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Cancer Season in 2019. Cancer Season extends between June 21 - July 22 Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to the Embodied Astrology reading for Cancer Season. In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of Cancer’s zodiacal energy through our bodies, hearts, minds, relationships and the world at large. I’ll talk to you about how to recognize the Cancerian influence in yourself and others, and offer some somatic resourcing for working with this energy. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Cancer season (June 21-July 22), and also a very healing and supportive energy to check in with at any point. Learn more about Cancer's qualities and the upcoming month ahead with the Embodied Astrology Reading for Cancer Season: https://bit.ly/2WT97E1 Get the Cancer Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Yeah, they came to a mutual understanding of what they wanted to do with the character. I guess your dress was James Gunn's First Choice. So is it possible that these talks could fall apart? Absolutely. This is just like the Marvel movies. Yeah, because it's like, you know as much as I love Don Cheadle and I love him as much as I love my cross flow and I love him. There. Was that bummer of the continuity of the yeah of the first of the ridge. I'll actors who played those characters like not being able to come back for sequels. Despite the when you ignore the stuff of like well behind the scenes. Apparently they were difficult to work with and apparently because you can believe that stuff or you cannot like it like you'll never know and that's really not important. What's important is what ended up happening Mark Ruffalo got the role of Bruce Banner Don Cheadle Rhodey and it's like, yeah, it's this right back to that. But at the same time, this is if Edward Norton couldn't do it. They weren't not going to put the Hulk in The Avengers. Right if Terrence Howard if they didn't want to like keep working with him, they were not going to move away from the character of James Rhodes to like another Iron Man supporting character for like a role for Don Cheadle player, whatever just to maintain continuity. Hey, it's me. I'm here. Yeah, let's get over it. Let's let's let's move on. Yeah, this is very interesting because this is a this movie is going to draw a lot of comparisons to Guardians of the Galaxy a lot. Especially your potential at Easton this movie. Yes, but you know obviously on paper there's a lot of similarities even though they're different things to do different things lot of similarities from going from one company to the other do something similar. So like I was thinking about this and I talked I may have talked about it on a on an episode of a collider thing that hasn't come out yet. But here's a little preview is can you imagine if between Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2 Chris Pratt couldn't come back. You're right like you gotta recast Star-Lord. Like I'm and I'm not trying to say, you know Will Smith as Deadshot is Star-Lord the Iconic level whatever but I'm just saying like would James Gunn have recast that character or would he would he have been like, okay, we'll wait or will whatever like I think he would recast the character because even though the Guardians of the Galaxy is also a comic book team that has a bunch of different members. I mean into guard James introduced mantis. Yeah nebula was at unofficially officially on the team like, you know, there's entered characters. You can introduce he was going to tell like Peter Quill story that was with the Important thing was so at first we were like, yeah, you can bring another DC character, but the fact that he put the fact that everybody's deciding to just continue forward with Floyd Lawton Deadshot to me. It made me realize I am really excited about this because it's gonna has a specific Floyd Lawton Deadshot story to tell cancer is replace this guy with another character. Right and I like that about what's happening as unfortunate as it is because I really like Will Smith saw him like Across the board in my garage. I thought they were part came in Margot Robbie where the best things about that first movie and I thought that it would be cool too. But you know what else this might be speaking of Marvel. It's getting us used to this. Yeah, right Roadie was the first actor that got us used to there's a new actor playing this role. Let's move on so that where Hulk came around the major the lead character of one of their movies was not Edward Norton, but they're like, hey, you're used to it by now Mark Ruffalo, like there might be there. They might be prepping us. This might be one of Brothers going actually James. Let's leave Deadshot and get people used to this so that we can set up Batman and Superman being played by new actors. And Batman is happening. That might that might be top of that might be what's you know, that might be part of it. I don't know. What do you what do you make of this? Oh, yeah. I mean well, I mean that because that's an interesting point and I started looking I started looking sort of at the there's an image that came out from Comic-Con. I think like three years ago when they were all there Suicide Squad and be be sent to test dude you were like, look how many eggs are XX? Yeah. Everyone's gone. Yeah. I know and I think I would say the only Between This and like Guardians for example is because James Gunn came in and was at the beginning of Guardians and he's there to tell the right but story of part one and part two different. It's a little different, you know, when you're coming into a movie that Warner Brothers is sort of pitching you or you're pitching to them a sort of a soft reboot that think there's a little bit more flexibility to sort of change the actors out and when there's a scheduling conflict, you know, could they have waited absolutely. Could it be a scheduling conflict plus a combination of like maybe Wilson saying I think I'm good. Yeah, man, you know, I mean I think he's known for doing that. Yeah, he's known for like rarely doing sequels rarely doing this kind of film. I mean Men In Black I think is the only franchise I did he yeah, and I think it was like a while before he wanted to do three, you know, and he'll earn in day he died his character, right? Yeah, exactly. So it's like yeah, this might this might be will being like I'm going to pass gentleman, like maybe his no matter how we're excited to how much were excited about this thing. Maybe his experience with the first film was like hmm. Okay, like that might be the case. Yeah, and you know, I For me personally, like I think we both like we have a huge respect and love for Idris, Elba. Oh big time. So again, I don't doubt. This is Don Cheadle because it's like I thought Terrence Howard was great. This is not an upgrade or downgrade. It's like a side grade. It's like fact that he's great. It's like you got the love I loved it was kissing his Banner. Yeah, but I'm like you get we Ruffalo and I'm like God damn it. He's great. Yeah side grade. I know every and so there was a lot of questions, you know, whether or not other characters are going to come back. So apparently according to this report Margot. Robbie will come back as Harley Quinn. Okay, June. Okay. She will come back as Harley Quinn, but she won't actually enter production until after her movie wraps God once where is the prey and it makes sense then she'll transition over to Suicide Squad. So I again, you know going back to last week's conversation the talk was that we're going to have new members not the old ones but I do like the fact that we're going to use characters like Deadshot and Harley to potentially sort of be the bridging gap between the oiled of them. You know, what needs to be the gap. It needs to end the wall Amanda Waller. She's they have Fury of that. I know man said anything about that character went out. She'll be back now and honestly, I'm like go for it and get David Harbor character to go back as well that weird little like the government gotta for sure. Like that's the continuity. Yeah. That's the I don't know. Yeah. Yeah the also there's been some conflicting reports whether or not Rick flag will be in it. There was a report that came out that said Joel Kim in Joel Kinnaman will not be coming back. And now this collider report that talked about the roster the potential roster of all these characters said it's conflicting. Some people are saying that he will be coming back. But am I being you actor or you may not be coming back at also? Like Rick flag is a big question mark we don't know. It's just the other thing that they did say the article did say is that instead of this movie taking inspiration from The New 52, which is sort of more of what David a or did this one will go back more towards the 80s original Suicide Squad Comics by John Ostrander and Kim Yale. So I think they're going to I think this is a really good opportunity for Or James Gunn to take Floyd Lawton as a character and really connect us with him personally and emotionally. Oh, I'm so there's like the big thing about him in the first movie was, you know his connection to his daughter and wanting to be reunited with his family and I think because of the crazy pass that this character has had and it's probably changed based on what Comics you read but him coming from a family of like parents who did not have the best, you know at home life him accidentally killing his brother while he was supposed to, you know, kill his dad you've done your research. I mean, I think it's like a very interesting history. Yeah. Yeah. So I think like a carrot an actor like a dress can bring. Oh, yeah. Oh much depth to that. Oh, yeah and what James Gunn did with guardians and Star-Lord and even the other characters? Yeah Maura and all that sort of stuff your axe drags, like there's so much that you can do and I personally would I don't hate that for Suicide Squad movie. I think it's very entertaining. Yeah, I think Will Smith brings a very entertaining element to Deadshot, but I think the movie doesn't really have a lot of depth I think now, An opportunity to really like get into the depth of these characters. I agree. I think that that first movie like I it's not my like my lowest ranked of the of the DC films franchise again, I think there's a lot of potential in it. I think when I was done well watching them for the first time I went okay part two potential just give them more time to do it. Everybody now famously knows David are had like so little time to write and then like actually shoot the thing. But all of the pieces are in play the characters, I think our solid the most part the characters that are underserved and that I'm not a fan of I think fall prey to light stereotypes and cliches and and and different things that were like disappointing. Yeah, and and I also think like the the reports of like what comic book run its going to draw from I don't think that what it drew from was necessarily like the problem of that film again, it's just like it's just the time that they had to do it. It's those kinds of production issues. It's that it felt as though there was a reaction to Batman vs Superman that The producers of The Suicide Squad very nervous and like lets you know, right actually maybe let's not go as hard. Yeah, because the last one really bummed everybody out and it didn't do what we expected it to do. So. Yeah, I think like they're still like some of the 80s stuff that I read was in the first Suicide Squad movie. Obviously, there's some of that new 52 2011 Lionel more recent era of comics as well. So like, you know, then again the guards the Guardians Comics like they draw from like the the ab inabnit And Landing run of Guardians rights act that the new Guardians movies kind of but then they also there's some like older Guardian stuff in there and then it's just straight up new, you know? Oh Star-Lord Likes music because his mom like that stuff that's like genius not in the comics at all. So yeah, and I would I would think like maybe I think this is also an opportunity to sort of play it play with the tone a little bit too. Yeah, because I think James gun while he can make a very entertaining and light-hearted and fun and humorous movie think this is also an opportunity. We're going to talk about bright burn a little bit later this opportunity to maybe even like sort of a hit a little bit of that darker territory, but not dark in the sense of just being like depressing and and yeah, I think it's more about the emotion of the characters and being a little bit more sold what he can do what it was the thing that I'm most excited about. Is it he can bring heart? Yeah. I think the suicide squad works best when you read I just read like a Suicide Squad Aquaman crossover book, which was called sink, Atlantis. And it was great and the introduce this brand new character. I've never heard of and he shows up and he's on the suicide squad and I was like, oh man, I love this character and sure enough by the end do died and I was like dang it, but that's the heart. That's what it's supposed to do. Like it's supposed to like just mess you up and go now as in their little Loops as opposed to slip knot who you're like. Oh, that's cool. That's Adam Beach - was that mm be? Okay. Well, I would have liked to connect with him. He'll before his you know, first movie man you fall in love with Groot and then he sacrifices himself. It's awesome. Dude. It's like so good. So it's I think that it's and and Suicide Squad even I think more than guardians Guardians is even more heroic than the suicide squad within their respective universes. Yeah, some of the edge that the guardian they're all criminals, right, but they're not they're not like it's like Ant-Man they're not like violent temper, you know, and if they are, it's Drax and it's like we forgive him because he's so eccentric and we learn his backstory and were like, oh, he's a turtle. So Kimora's the deadliest assassin in the universe a better dad stano's. Okay, I get it. I get it and Rocket group. They just want money. They want to make credits. They just want to you know, so and Peter like steal stuff. He doesn't like kit murder people right was Suicide Squad. You can push that more they are in Belle Reve. They are they are bad guys back rise to put hard in that total just gonna be great dude. I'm excited. Yeah, they also did did reveal and this is so this is a report from collider. They did say that this is unconfirmed because the story has A script has gone through several rewrites. This squad lineup could change. This is what they're hearing. So far is the lineup ratcatcher sure, which in this movie apparently will be gender swap sure and will and and Floyd line will play somewhat of like a father figure to this character. Hmm king shark polkadot, man Peacemaker and Peacemaker apparently is a role. That potentially will be for Dave Bautista. Okay, which okay, I mean you put Dave Batista, and I'm all about peace. Since that's going to be great. It's gonna be great. That's and that's everybody so far. That's everybody so far. This maker is also the character who famously inspired one of the characters in Watchmen the commedia know so Peacemaker was originally a Charleston Comic character along with the Blue Beetle and the question and I want to say captain Adam was one and then I want to say oh my God, who was the one that inspired Silk Spectre? Who is it? Was it Phantom ladies act, you know, do you know the comic book character that Tired Silk Spectre forgot her name. Anyway someone in the comments we are it's this Hector cool man. Great. Thank you. But Alan Moore wanted to use those characters and was like, I just want to tell the most fucked-up story with these guys and DC was like actually created their own him and Dave Gibbons created their own sort of set of characters. The comedian was based on Peacemaker actually a character who left piece so much that he was like a crazy assassin like you look straight up kill people. The comedian there's some similarities is somebody who like is so tapped into the reality of the world that everything's a joke. Yeah, it's it so he's the comedian and then he that's why he's but he's like super brutal even though he like has like a clown outfit in his you know, when he's like a teenager, you know, so I think that's really interesting if it's not Batista. I don't know how people feel about this just get Jeffrey Dean Morgan. I don't know if you I don't know if he'd be down but that would be very very easiest like he plays Bruce Wayne in one scene. I'm like, I'll be down have Jeffrey Dean Morgan in the See movies like officially. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's true. Yeah, he does play Thomas Wayne, but I don't think I'll ever do I don't know. I think at this point with how they're considering investing reading flash but I don't think so. No, they won't I don't think that there's yeah, I don't think they place for around. I think that there is so like that would be cool. But that would also mean like, all right if Annie DC Future movie has the Blue Beetle you you have to get King orm to play him and next I'm gonna and if there's any ever the question, you got to get Jackie Earle Haley that's her back. And so maybe that should be sales. Maybe I should say. Well I'm super excited about I mean again, It doesn't come out till 2020 one. So that's their ears from the thrift thing that'll go by like that. I know that will go by like, yeah, and apparently he's going to start shooting and hopefully sometime in the summer. So okay. So if that let's do the math if that starts shooting hmm in the summer of this year, you know, and then it'll end by the Fall. It's like a little bit like three four months five months. It could go into the picture could go to the new year, but then it comes out next year and then they'll be like post all this post production right then he does the press for it and it comes out what summer of 2001 20 21 August of 2012 right in the middle of the year that guards of the I see release date and then September Disney calls put amen. Let's do Guardian three. Let's do guardians three. Come on back buddy. It's like okay is response. Okay, you had your fun? I don't know. It's if it's a serious I'm joking, but the serious thing I think should for real be Kevin feige convincing Disney. This is my in my head what I think it is happening is, you know, we talked about this the fact that that movie wasn't just filming that they care about the preserving that hurt. Reserving that and I feel that they would know not only with Dave Bautista, you know saying I'm not going to do it if it's not James Gunn not only that sort of attitude. But like I think a lot of movie going on and says in a lot of fans of the Guardians know that it's James Gunn who wrote indirect directed one and two and then one with Nicole Perlman, so like why wouldn't Disney want to build up the hype right? We're going to see the characters again in Avengers endgame possibly rockets in it for sure. We don't know if there are other characters come back. They're gonna probably come back but at the end of that movie leave us wanting more We're like to having you started filming Guardians volume 3. Yeah, they start filming in 2021 at the end of 2020 1/2 years from now or three years from now and to 2022. Yeah for it to come out 20 24 24. Yeah, right for years from now. That's not the craziest Gap know so it's like a Marvel movies and literally yeah 1818. So like I think that there's a if whoever made the call to not make that movie could convince the rest of Disney like, okay look he went and did another huge tent pole soup the same exact. Audience for the direct competition and a couple people asked him questions during the Press about his comments. And this is how it was handled that Studios taken the flak the movie came out dealt with it. They've dealt with it. Let's go you can say face bring him back so that they can announce from Visionary director. James got right like again. Yeah, man, so I guess we'll see that's my that's my math right now. It's like again, it seems like it's far away, but this is not so quick. It goes by so quick. It's already been like seven years. The Dark Knight Rises almost that's crazy man, right? Yeah. It's insane. It's sometimes I think it's been it's been oh my God seven years. Yeah since yeah since like John Carter, I feel like that movie just came out. I know like so yeah dude those go buy it it'll happen. So a certain show is coming to an end after eight seasons arrow for Chic including at the season 8 Stephen Amell announce it on Facebook. I watched the video. Oh nice. Here's my thoughts on are okay. I have not. Not always been a big fan of the show. I think some seasons is work better than other Seasons. There are episodes throughout that I think work a lot better than you know arcs in the whole thing. But I love the cast. Yeah, I love when they interact with other shows and I really loved Stephen Amell. I know a lot of people give them a lot of shit for the way. He plays that character because sort of just like straight-faced but I love his enthusiasm. I love his dedication to the character. Do they work hard? They work really really hard. I mean you've been to the sets having no but But you've interviewed some people from the shows probably yeah major you mean they just like Echo Calum, like right people that we know sir when he's in LA but it's those production schedules are brutal. Yeah. I mean he's basically has been living in Vancouver for 70 years. Yeah, so but I think it's because I think he's Canadian isn't Stephen Amell canadian-american actor? Like he's got but something that he did talk about the Facebook video that I thought was was very true. As you know, he's been living in Canada for seven years. He's been making the show and he wants to explore Or other opportunities, you know, he's been on a couple movies the most notably he played Casey Jones. Yeah Wells. Yeah. So I think now you know, he's mentioned that he wants to do other things and all that sort of stuff the thing that the thing that I appreciate the way that they're handling. This is that from the video he made it sound like this is something that's been on his mind for a year or two and apparently at the end of his contract he kind of wanted his character to leave the show, but he was fine with the show continue on without him with All the other characters and he said he had a conversation with Greg berlanti in the producers and they said, you know what to better service to shown to not just sort of let it run until it's dried out to show will be over. Let's end the show. Let's sing the character Green Arrow and his supporting characters off in a nice respectful way. So I think this is a really nice way to do I agree especially because it's not the only show yeah and other characters that were introduced in Arrow literally landed as like principal characters in legends of tomorrow. Morrow and their own so if there are actors who in their own show flash, so if there are actors that are that are like that just started they were only on Arrow for a little bit. I feel like even though probably the most recent like Edition was like somebody like Echo Callum. Yeah for the most part and even he was like leaving the show like he announced that he's also going to be leaving the show. So if they're actors that are like, oh man, I want to keep going though. Like this is my whole job ssible, dude. They just hop over to Legends like or they go and guests aren't and then that on there on team flash exact or Look out stuck in Supergirls Universe you okay. Now you're on the show Supergirl likely there's three other shows that are happening. They woman's coming Batwoman. Yeah, so that women could effectively also like take the take the place of arrow with like what it does for the other arrowverse shows. So yeah, man, this this makes me excited for two reasons number one 10 episodes. Yes, that's going to be a tight tan shortened. That's good to know. You haven't had we been asking for this forever, please dude. I don't know when I don't think it'll ever happen, but if all of a sudden they Announce it every other show was also 10 episodes. I'd be like, these are going to be some of the four best seasons of Television like we would do I wash since to this story wise it'd be like, oh my God it took to be able to get it done. But but TV production is different and in you know unit the Netflix level. It's like even though ones that are way shorter than a 22-episode season 13 episodes. We've always talked about them Middle Run of episodes like it's not great for the most part just to ten. She's stranger things stranger things handled really well just do eight like Defenders like Although Punisher was cool for 13 July the 1st season haven't seen the second one yet second reason. I'm excited to show finally ending. I'm like, I want to start the arrowverse again from the beginning and actually watch every episode and watch the whole thing. And I think that's going to be my project that's going to be my project. Here's what here's what I'm doing right now doing all the MCU movies this summer after end game comes out. I'm doing the MCU shows because I also haven't seen every episode of Agents of Shield. Yeah, and that's going to be like also Coulson Clark Gregg also announced like it'll probably end. After 7:00. Yeah, so I'm like, okay, I'm going to spend the back half of this year literally doing every MCU show Agents of Shield Agent Carter weird little web series or whatever at the Netflix stuff again, because there's a bunch of season twos and threes that I like mist and haven't caught up yet cloak-and-dagger runaways whatever else is, you know happening catch up on that. There's a there's a lap. There's not super super a lot like it's doable then when I'm done with all that arrowverse, baby episode 1 season one Arrow. I've already seen season 1 didn't love it, but I'm going to do it again. I know I know man. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's let's dive in to the air over here. That's right, Mighty. I could be productive or I could watch every episode of the errors. I think I got my answer. I think I do like this quote the from the CW president Mark pedowitz. He says things will age and we want to get the next generation of shows to keep the CW DC Universe going. For as long as possible as long as possible. Yeah, and I agree. I mean like it makes it makes sense and part of me wishes. I agree with you a part of me wishes that they would go to like an 8 to 10 episode 4 mad that way they could rotate shows even throughout like throughout a regular 23 episode season, you can rotate through like three shows almost, you know, you can do like I see what you mean. I ain't episode run of the flash Supergirl Legends Batwoman black light that would still mean the DC show is only ever on a Monday night and they don't have Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday, you know. Like it's like damn imagine how much stuff you could pop po4. She looks like it's already crazy because Greg berlanti I think produces like 16 shows what that's nuts it is he's doing some you know, he's obviously doing some stuff on DC Universe. Yeah, so I don't know like I'm just glad that they've decided because for me I loved I loved Smallville. Yeah, and honestly, we could think Smallville for a lot of this. Yeah for sure because originally the plan was to have that green area just in heart Justin Hartley have his own green our show and he didn't want to do he thought I would sort of like put a bad taste in people's mouths, you know, he kind of owed his success to the character in his acting career to Smallville. So he kind of felt like it was kind of like a betrayal to that showed like I'm gonna go do my own thing. So then they ended up making this reboot. But I do like the fact that even though you know, like I loved it. I loved a lot of Smallville, but I felt like it's sort of overstate its welcome a little bit. Oh for sure. I feel like it could have wrapped up in the for six seasons. Yeah one what original what's the joke like okay. They should have changed you to Metropolis that he like it's not even about it's not all four years of Of yeah, exactly sure. So I do like the fact that with this show they're saying we had a good run we had great see a great Seasons. We're going to have a great Seasons. Let's wrap the character up, you know in the elseworlds crossover, you know, he makes a deal to potentially Save a Life of like two characters and with crisis on infinite Earths coming does that mean he will potentially sacrifice himself? We don't know I'll but it would be a nice way to sort of either heckling was holding Stephen Amell. Alright crying and different price. It's really nice. To sort of wrap up that character story if they do end up wanting to kill him like green arrow could easily ride off into the sunset and someone else come in and take over the role. But if they do end up killing the characters and I think like this is a nice way to do a nice 10 episodes solid send off and make room for Batwoman or whatever else is going to come in layers. But you know, I think the show had a good run I think again that show did create a lot of opportunities. Obviously, it was given opportunity, but it created an opportunity for so many things. Oh, yeah, and it's yeah. I kind of get a little upset of people on the internet when they're like our sucks. There's this there's none like you you got to give it its you may not like the show. Yeah have to acknowledge the fact that it created so much opportunity for DC Super Heroes on television. They don't they never been in a lot of ways is the more at least prolific iteration of the DC Universe in live action right now there it's years between movies, you know, it doesn't have that same sort of momentum. Yeah, and whenever it feels like man, it'd be so great to see something in a Movie it'll never had we're years away from it. Like they're pulling off shows like here's flash goes. Here's here's crisis on Earth X. You're like shit man. That's crazy. Like you're also receiving great. Here's the dominators. Here's you know, the time Masters or whatever like all this. Here's rip Hunter here's it's crazy Constantine even had a second life on those shot. Dave speaking of king shark. They got king shark. They got Gorilla Grodd it's coming on. It's right. It's probably it's crazy. It's crazy. Let's switch gears a little bit over 2. Aquaman and so the producer Peter Safran did a nice Interview With The Hollywood Reporter. He talked a little bit about the trench spin-off that's coming and he talked a little bit about the sequel of Aquaman which is going to be coming. He did can say he did confirm that the trench movie will be happening. It will be released prior to Aquaman 2, but it will take place after the events of the first Aquaman movie. Okay, Aquaman Mara will not be in it. Okay. He says that a lot of the inspiration mostly came from the reaction that people had to that to that trench sequence. And I mean famously like that trailer did really sell that sequence extremely. Yes, and that's see the One-Shot rad one ant hill shot. Yeah of them going down underwater and stuff. So I know we've kind of been back and forth on the whole trench spin-off. I'm not necessarily the craziest about it and I I would have assumed that we would have gone in a proper Aquaman sequel prior to the trench from spin-off movie, especially because not dealing with characters connected to the aqua and movies as far as we know right now particularly. Early Aquaman Ameri, so I don't really know what that story could be. We kind of we spit ball to few things last time of things that we think it could be you knows who knows what it could end up being. I forgot a thing what we said and we got ourselves excited about it. We're like, that could be cool. Yeah about potentially I think it was I think it was during the fall of Atlantis right from the surface World down into the depths of the ocean. Yeah following the character look potentially like becomes a monster of the yeah, but that's a long time ago. So they're telling us is like happening after the events of the verses. So what do you do? I just hope it's not like two regular good-looking people like a horrible Monsters of the true Jess again are on a boat, except they're not Aquaman and Mara and then it's like we got attacked by it there. It's a horror film get out of there. He escaped. I know that this is part of it. But the the thing right now is like we've talked about with the show Krypton. We don't understand we didn't understand like like the call you guys after the contact you guys have to pitch this to us to comic book fans that are familiar with this idea because of this idea as we read it at a The Hollywood Reporter, it seems ill-conceived and then we hear time travel right Adam Strange. We're like, whoa, that's the berries are the stakes The Twist. Yeah, same thing needs to happen here the frustrating thing for me. It's frustrating because Warner Brothers make successful films and film franchises all the time. But no matter how great the Aquaman movie was. It's not just a movie right? It is an adaptation of 75 years of a In comic books and my thing is this feels like movie Producers. They know how to produce movies and make movies being inspired by producing movies and going. Hey, we did this over here successful and bringing this over to the Aquaman superhero Thing and going. Okay. Well, we did it with the conjuring. So we're going to do it with Aquaman instead of looking at what Aquaman needs and going this is what we should do is spin off of I remember was I was like, it should be about Tula it should be about or arms sister right King orm sister should be about Garth. It was like the Aqualad character or some of those kinds of side Fringe characters that are still effectively like Aquaman and marriage Junior like you could still have a story like that. So it doesn't it feels like it is. Oh, yeah, you know how we did Annabel, we'll just do that with Aquaman instead of do what this what this character in this world requires and have a movie be born out of that instead of oh, we looked successfully at The films that we produced how much money we made versus how much we paid to get the film made and how it hit with audiences because again, I don't think that that's the same audience and I don't think that I didn't hear this idea and go I can't believe we've never done a comic book about this, you know, like where I was like what a brilliant like organic, you know, I didn't so specific to Aquaman great and I want to feel like that but it didn't feel like that. So this this unfortunately to me feels a little bit like it feels like movie Producers being movie. Producers yeah, instead of like being able to at least lie to us and be like here's why this is perfect for Aquaman and then delivering that yeah. Well, he says he says we definitely taken a page from our Conjuring Playbook, which is you've got the mothership, which is Aquaman, but there are so many great stories to tell within that Universe of itself that Atlantean Universe. Yes, I agree. The trench is not on that list for me. Like I agree a hundred percent. I think like if you wanted to explore the world of Atlantis one, you don't have to just explore Atlantis. There's so many other kingdoms that you Potentially explore it right? There's so many other different different worlds within the Aquaman universe that are not the trench that I think you could directly tie into Aquaman and round is yeah and like those things are directly connected to the Atlanta to the acronym of Atlantis that I think would be way more interesting. I think there's even I'm not usually crazy about prequels, but maybe there is potential opportunity to do a story about Atlanta or you know, Aquaman's father loved her Tom. Yeah great. Like I think there's opportunities to explore that even a story of King orm prior to the events of when when when Arthur shows up in Atlantis, but even Mara there's so many other things that you could do before you're like in every movement trench thing that we did in the yeah, man, it's cold. I feel like it would be like the first Ant-Man movie comes out and in Marvel Studios is like look, we know that we plan to do Ant-Man in the WASP, but we got one better for you Quantum realm the movie is coming. You know how awesome the quantum realm was when Scott Lang went into the quantum Realm. Loved it. Everybody loved it. So here we go Quantum realm it's not gonna happen, but what's in it, but it's the quantum realm. It's like what it what is that? It was a cool say Hey, you know that maybe we could have done dr. Strange too. I got one better for you Mirror Universe the movie remember the sequence it was super dope where they went into the Mirror Universe. Okay. So no Stephen Strange in this one. No Ancient One basically nobody that does magic but trippier visuals for two hours. I thought for mmm and you're going to say Antony and the Ants. Yeah. Antony and the Ants before they meet like yeah, like maybe Scott Lang. It's like 100 our story picks up after Anthony's Wing Falls and other ants gather and mourn their fallen friend and then we just stay on the answer for two hours. You know, there's 60 million dollars the creatures they can't speak right there the stars of our movie it does it feels a little ill-conceived it feels it feels movie executive and not comic book die-hard fan. Yeah, and I think that's that's sort of the frustrating thing and again, you know, you say it all the time. You're right. When you are going to go out there and make statements about these movies that you're going to make for comic book fans or calm book movie fans people who watch these things from the cartoons to the movie follow these neat the follow the news exactly. It's like you need to give us a little bit more than just I want to make a movie about the trench. Yeah, what's our in and I get it that it we're very early in the process and this movie who knows what it'll come out could come out next year come out the year after that. I think it's I think your little bit of it because it well. It has to come out before 2020 to because Aquaman 2 has a date of December. I think it's December 15th or two. Yes. It'll either be next year or the year after exactly and 2021 already has the Batman and Suicide Squad some like if it's going to be a low budget horror movie then you technically could do it next November. Yeah, you'd have to just kind of start making it happen soon. Shoot it this year and then yeah, so that's part of the thing is like great if you are already potentially in some sort of planning / pre-production development stage you should An idea what the story is now may be able to have like a log line or something of like this is what it is. So when we talk about it, we can say Greg. This is the concept are we sold on the concept? We'll have to wait and see it. Give us just one comic book. Yeah, but now it's sort of like we're just kind of picking at straws and hoping that it's one of the two things that will say cooling just say literally just starring the character Tula because it'll make people reading The Hollywood Reporter be like, I don't know what that is, but a bunch of comments and fancy-like dope. That's perfect could probably be an Aquaman to great. What is great? What a great connect and I think that's like that's a great bridge to you can Bridge a character from from that movie and talk them into I don't know the other controversial hot take that the producer Peter. Safran had was interesting. I think that when you're making really strong Standalone movies, there's really no need to bring them together heater want to give these characters with your buddy breathe and live and tell their story Peter Peter Peter Peter Peter Peter come here. They're not mutually exclusive and it's an it. I think it's I think it's huh Peter eggs. I don't know how to Open seven one you're not wrong. Like if Peters effectively saying when you're telling good movies, you're making good movies in good movies are good movies and it's like Yeah a hundred percent. I agree. But I feel like it's kind of crapping on what the DC Universe is man. It's kind of crapping on that. It's I don't want shoehorned in cameos. I don't want you to put the cart before the horse. I don't want to make a movie that's DC Universe the movie. I want you to make a specific character Focus thing like Aquaman looks like Shazam Wonder Woman 84. That's what I want. But to Just say in an effort to be different from Marvel and Disney in an effort to be like, well, here's what we do. We make good movies on their own. Like I think you're doing a disservice to what the brand is and if that's really how you feel. And if that's how Warner Brothers feels like it makes me it makes me feel like crap. It makes you feel like what do you I'm like, what are you guys doing them then for like one of brother's nose Harry Potter one in Harry Potter 8 are connected. That's why Harry Potter eight is good because you Characters through a larger story and it was this epic Grand scale and it was the movie event of a generation and it's from the trailer like right where the Cinematic event of a generation like if you guys want to do that again, you have to you have to treat it. Like it's a whole thing. It's not to disrespect Aquaman. Oh, he could never work without a Batman Cameo. He could never you know wonder when we could never work as long as unless people know she'll show up in Justice League. That's not what it's about. It's about looking at it's about looking at the history of DC. And going this is so good. And with you sat on it too long. We cannot wait to bring you guys the rest of these characters. We believe that they're worth it. Yeah, you know and and and part of that is knowing that Dynamic that like taco man bounces off of Wonder Woman very well in the comic books Aquaman bounces off of Batman Aquaman works with the suicide squad. I just read it was dope. Yeah like it was great. So yeah. Yeah and I think that's that's that's the unfortunate part. That's the thing. I find it like it's super frustrating. Training because and I'm sure and it's you know, you also look at this quote and you you have to remind yourself. This is a complete. If you're just looking at the quote out of context you are potentially going to ignore the fact that as a studio we've heard quotes of we've heard Quotes come out of one. Another saying these are going to be independent films. They will still be in a connected Universe, right? But they may not necessarily interact with each other all the time, which I'm fine with. Yeah, we don't Need all these we don't need every character to crossover and every single sink every single movie, especially when it's a movie. That's a singular movie based on a one particular character. For example Shazam. I don't necessarily need to see Batman and I don't need to see Superman in it. But the thing that I've seen from the movie that I love is like there are references to Batman. Yeah references to Superman. We're in section figures of side. What is it mean for Shazam exact? What is it due to that carrot? How does it influence that character and what he does as a superhero and I think like that to me is where the These movies can really shine is you not necessarily have you don't necessarily have to have the characters in one movie but you see the influence. Yeah, and then you can build towards some sort of an event. Yeah start to slowly piece the movies together introduced characters in other movies and then you build towards the Justice League. And I mean, that's how Marvel has done it for the last 10 years. Every movie has led one thing to the next sometimes sometimes it hasn't worked like for me there are movies that have done Crossovers and it hasn't worked a hundred percent of the time. No, it's fine. But at least they're going to keep going to keep Taking Chances and I would like others to do the same. They're freaked out about Justice League. Okay, fine. How about like five years from now you guys plan to do Teen Titans sure and that way you can have your new actor playing Batman. He shows up in that because it's about Rob and joining the team talks about night Robin being Nightwing and being on the Titans and that's the like a crossover film but it's a new IP, you know, it's based off of the successful cartoon and the seems very popular Titans show that's on CW like, you know, like Like do that and and yeah, man, it just feels like it just feels like that's just missed opportunities and it's just like a it feels like a bummer sometimes didn't we we've kind of answer one question yet. So like do you think DC should build let's say so let's say they're going to do Batman Superman Wonder Woman Green Lantern Shazam. What's up? Yeah, do you think that they should really focus have teams dedicated. Okay, you're the Shazam team build out his Universe Shazam the Marvel family the villains. No, I don't think so. I think that you like them. I think that it depends on I think that that's a movie producer thing. Yeah, and not a this is what works for Universe building like, you know, look to the example of of Marvel Studios and Disney, they didn't do a spin-off of a low-key movie even though that character hit and was wildly successful and very popular very popular waited a long time before now we're going to do a show right and it's nny because he'd let character had a specific role in their larger. Setting yep and the same goes for will the Hulk is a legal thing, but that's like you know, but they found it frustrating. Yeah, they found a place to bring him in in Thor Ragnarok. But yeah man liked it. They're not going to do a they didn't do a Star-Lord movie even though that movie was wildly successful because it's like he's a part of this group if you disservice to the rest of the Guardians, yeah. Yeah, and and I and like I like that they that they kind of they have people who when they were talking to Joss. Eden for directing the first Avengers movie he was like, I don't know if I'm gonna do this but no matter what happens Ultron needs to be the villain for part 2 like Joss Whedon felt that he knew that sort of logical progression of what the what's next and what that thing can do and I don't want to necessarily see a bunch of spin-offs of each of these things. I think that like again Doctor Strange they didn't go right into Doctor Strange to they didn't go with like, okay. We're going to give the Ancient One her own film. Mordo his own movie or whatever because they knew okay. We got the doctor strange movie almost out of the way and now he's going to be very important in an Infinity War. We're going to see him in Thor before that. Yeah, and and it seems as though that character has been present since 2016 because he showed up in a movie that year 2017 or 2018 and now it's 2019 and he'll be in this one probably again same thing with Iron Man. So like but all of that stuff to me feels like they're going to the comic books. They're going to the comic book history the importance of these characters. And you know, I don't think that they're they're not waiting to see how audiences necessarily react. Yeah, they are of certain things don't work sure because Thor changed tone because they they were like we got to swing for the fences on this third one. The first two didn't really know the second one especially was like that people didn't really love it. And so they swung for the fences, but I don't think they're waiting to see how Captain Marvel does to be like. Okay. What should we do? What should we do? Next Ben mendelsohn's character in his own movie itself gets a spin-off and no matter how or like we would have Do no matter how much people like that character. It's about okay, we know where Carol's going to be right? We know what we're going to use this character for and they'll have a general idea of what to do later. What I think that they should do Eve is as essentially what Marvel is kind of doing where it seems as if they have one or a group of people mapping out the whole thing with large beats. Yeah, but then they bring in filmmakers in and creators to collaborate and be like flashes out. What is this? Oh, that sounds great. We're gonna go with that for some stuff in there, you know to work for those larger beats and the difference is is that Marvel is doing three movies a year. Don't do that. If you have one a year to maybe one every two years if you have to a year plus a The Joker sad thing is going to know what is going to be still just make that work for your larger beats Aquaman 2 isn't coming out till 2022 four years from when the first one came out for years use that to your advantage. I said before just like planet is like, okay and then here okay. This is what's going to these are the larger beats here. Aquaman's gonna have a kid the Justice League will still be around. Houndour like a new version of that will be here. This is what black mantas up to and as long as other stuff leading up to that or after that like doesn't mess with that. That's so I think that that's what they should do. And I think it will it will strengthen the brand. Yeah, and it will strengthen people's excitement for what comes next and if those plans change along the way fine, but it but it feels as though feel like we've had this conversation since 2013 like well again, I think it's like it comes down to pay off right if you're a fan from the very beginning. It's how a lot of people feel now about going into end games like damn. I've been there since Iron Man 1. Yeah. I've been there since the beginning of the game now. We're in the end game and it's like I've been there for the whole thing. It just you feel like all the time you've invested is paid off and I want to feel that about the DC character soup because I love these characters and I love each of their individual universes and I would love to in eight to ten years be like damn. We you know, we stumbled a little bit in the beginning but we found our stride and it just took off and like We're like knocking out. They join you in the sun. That's right. Kal-El. They have they will stumble they will fall but someday they will join you will see will see you dude it man. I would love it if Amy Adams continued to play Lois Lane, right a new actress playing Superman shirt, but then they have a kid Jonathan Kent. Yeah straight up like the next time we see Superman. He's got like a seven-year-old. I'd be crazy not like just keep it going. You know the Young Justice Stevens friends DC Batman is celebrating his 80th birthday. That's great. All these superheroes is crazy. All these supers having like big big and yeah, I know man there's he doesn't look a day over 30. He does not he does not he probably has an age probably just for 70 years. Yeah. There's a lot of different stuff that's going to be happening throughout the year. I'm going to kind of go through some of the things that are happening starting with South by Southwest with just started. I think today was actually the first day by the way, they screened us you Jordan Peele. Yeah for losing their shit. So it's good and not wait to go. See you at people saying it's good for saying it's incredible that Lupita Nyong'o steals the movie. Fantastic kids man. So they're going to be debuting some stuff at South by Southwest. I think it's going to be starting next weekend though. They're gonna have new merchandise and you are to commemorate Batman's 80th birthday including a special March fifteen March 15th event, which they will be releasing 1.5 million baths over the Congress Bridge in Austin, Texas. You can't control bad. I don't know if they're expecting all these fucking bats to make a bat signal in the sky. I don't think so boy, so we're going to see how Austin reacts to that one. I think that's pretty it's already like a real thing like that. Those bats are already there. Yeah, I think those bats are already there. I think that they're just like they're like Port like I think it's a real thing. I think I was wrong about everything. Yeah that the bridge is even full of guano. Like it's a really it's like a real thing in Austin. So it's not something that like, they're bringing their shell flying fastball around the same time. They're yeah, so they're they're just kind of using nature Jack we're promoting. That's cool. That's cool. I thought DC will release two special anniversary comic books the hardcover Detective Comics. I'm getting a series of Man, I'm getting that deluxe edition because you get the Superman when right Action Comics. Yeah, 80 years of action. It's a great but I want to get that balancing record. You gotta have that. Yeah collection. Yeah and obviously detective one thing axis and the charcoal 1000 on March 27. So to Comics the like every comic book collector or anyone who's like a fan of these characters like why would you not want to buy those? Yeah Milestones the Presbyterians dude action 1000 was a great book. It was such a good comic book does I still remember look like little pieces of that of those stories is like being super impactful the more soup. Branches flying to catch his bullet. Yeah so good at something. It's like when these characters as like I love the Marvel characters, but Batman Superman Wonder Woman, those are characters who have been around the longest in terms of superheroes. And those are always the ones that I'm kind of like those the ones I gravitate towards I guess Spider-Man will also be one for Marvel sure as he is kind of up there in terms of recognition relatives and he's not as Mythic because he's a characters are from the late 30s and early 40s. They Mythic they're huge. Super super exciting other something I'm doing so WonderCon. They're going to be doing a happy Batman. Happy birthday Batman panel. They haven't really specified exactly what it's going to be about then the theme parks at Six Flags are going to be doing a whole bunch of stuff to commemorate the anniversary of Batman. There's going to be some stuff happening at the Mondo Gallery in Austin V. DC museum has now kind of switched over to an Aquaman exhibit, but I think they still have bad went there up don't they are no not right now. They have it the bottom floor, which I think the top floor is Harry. Potter but at Warner Brothers Studios, the bottom floor is Aquaman basically every cost too much which is gorgeous and then Wonder Woman so like every costume from the movie one and they've had bad guy stuff there for years now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, then Batman there's gonna be Diamond Centric programming on television Cartoon Network a bunch of different channels all kinds of stuff. Obviously though. There were very likely be something huge at San Diego Comic-Con this year. And if this Batman movie is coming on 2021, it's a good opportunity to have Matt Reeves there to maybe announce who's that man will be I think that that will be a nice really cool celebration of the character and there's there's a few other things but they were saying so DC basically saying like look stay tuned or social media, especially March 30th. That's the official 80th anniversary date and then September September 21st, is this year's annual Batman day. So there's going to be a whole bunch of stuff going on all year long. So if you're a Batman fan, which most of us are it's going to be a fun time to celebrate. So I'm looking forward to a lot of the stuff. I'm particularly. Early excited to see what they're going to do a Comic-Con this year. Yeah, cause I think DC is really finding its footing in terms of their movies. So I'm hoping that we obviously gets up with Wonder Woman 84. Yeah, we'll probably get stuff with birds of prey. Yeah, but I would love to see something major for Batman a great thing castien great casting for announcing. Yeah, that would be great. It would be great. I would love for somebody to explain the trench to me economica. That would be great. And now Peter Safran Davis playing the church happens like okay everybody. Listen, it's going to be too long. I'll be like yeah, it's to look like that's yeah, come on Peter. Come on. Come on, Pete Wilson my kind of game. I know it's a full year Batman celebration. So and the one thing that I did like that I don't know if they're going to do this here for the 75th Anniversary the did for Batman and Superman. They did those original animated shorts so good. I just re-watched the Batman when the other day so good the Superman one gives me chills. It's it's amazing the Batman when is fun? Because it's Kevin Conroy with Adele being Batman Beyond and they fight that robot. Batman and at the end like all the other Batman are there and I'm like, that's great even like Adam West robot with you will red eyes. That's a great little moment. It's so good. Yeah. No, I loved it. So now we're going to jump over to Bright burn cool this movie looks crazy. So this is a movie that's written by James Gunn's brother and cousin James Gunn is the producer. He's not the director of this movie. This is a Sony Pictures released which like you say Sony and a median income like all right, but then you see the trailers. This looks like a mind-blowing superhero. Flipped upside down. Yeah movie if you don't know the concert the basic premise is it's not based on a graphic novel but it's basically taking the concept of Superman and sort of flipping out on its head and saying what if Superman came to Earth, but he came from a a race of people who maybe wasn't as hmm as I don't know because Dragon Ball Z. Basically, I guess Dragon Ball Z Goku big sayings were like a conquering people kind of and he was sent here to sort like The Iron Giant like the one century to sort of take over the whole town like What if someone came from the world of kryptonians who were like conquerors of world? It's so crazy how unique this concept is but also at the same time people are so familiar. Yeah. It's so familiar. I was watching the trailer and I'm like, I feel like I've read this in comic books this feels like a natural extension to like a lot of the ideas even in Man of Steel. Yes, it's it. I mean, I'm not purposely set up to look exactly and I'm not trying to knock that movie, but it it like I wonder if the point of this film the message will be like what will ultimately went out will it will it will have an Stick message. You will have a pessimistic message on Humanity On Us on kids on your on morals values. Whatever like what will what's the movie trying to say about Superman and ideas like Superman so fascinated one, especially it's like this movie this movie is going to embrace horror. Yes. So I think like it's going to fall on a full-on like exploit the horror genre exploit everything that it means be a deconstruction. So this is not going to be a movie that's going to be technically For all ages. Oh, no, you know so I think yeah to make a movie like this and targeted specifically for adults, you know, what is it trying to say, but what is it also trying to trying to communicate to us as adults who have grown up reading these characters. What is it going to sort of maybe try to challenge about the things that we understand or think we know about these characters and the other thing that's true is, you know, we now are sort of living in a world a very politically very heated. You think that this is a good time to make a super to make a movie like this that questions would it mean to be a superhero? Because you know what it made me think of is the line from the actor who played Roy in the office. He I'm forgetting his name. He was the Power Rangers dad in Power Rangers. Rangers Dad. It's a great actor after exactly. Look him up real quick. Look now because I want to credit him and also Elizabeth Banks also Rita, that's funny. It's to power just actors Power Rangers is pretty good. You guys, I like it. Not that bad, but That actor is not even listed. Oh great. Yeah, come on. Come on. Come on, go to know where the arrow goes. Where is it? Where is it? Pull it up. Where the heck did it? Go? Anyway, here's here's the thing when that actor said the line. He's not our son. Yeah that to me made me feel like this movie might be the what if and it's not what if Kal-El was evil. What if Superman was evil, but it's like but what if Martha and Jonathan Kent were not there all the way. Do you know I'm saying what if they were Not who they are. What kind of a Superman would be raised what kind of character would we get and maybe I'm wrong and I need to watch the movie because it obviously I don't know what these characters go through to get to a point where this dad says that because they find him as a baby. Yeah, and he's what can crash lands on Earth just like so he's 10 in this movie like so there with him for years. Yeah. It's not like he's ten and then they adopt him and then they try to say he's our son like it's this it's Superman. They raise a baby thing. They raised him. So this makes me feel like maybe I'm maybe I'm in the wrong but it's a movie that is specifically geared to make it look like hey, are you a fan of like cool dark takes on superhero stuff. You don't want to check this out. This is edgy. This is this is violent. This is going to be a horror movie. This is radar tricks everybody. They go to see it in and by the end of the movie, you're like man Jonathan Kent's the real hero of the Superman Mythos Jonathan and Martha are amazing characters that when they are not in this movie. This is what happened like like it might you appreciate those characters. I may be thinking optimistically, but maybe you walk out of that movie going like like this is what this is what Superman is and should be in this is where he is right now, unfortunately or what at like whatever trying to say. Maybe it's going to trick a sort of an edgy comic book audience at the going to see this and then be like would you think about Superman is wrong maybe or it's just like a fun crazy which looks fine and amazing and cool. Anyway, like I'm already in So, yeah, so like the other thing too is, you know could this movie A potentially spark a trend where filmmakers create movies like this that take characters the concepts of characters like Batman Superman Wonder Woman deconstruct them completely and they do in a way that doesn't tarnish with those characters are because they're technically not using those characters right? I hope so, but also, I don't know because this is such a specific movie right? I don't think you can do that. I don't think you did. It's like a one trick pony in a sense of like everybody will accept Okay, that's Superman but not like it's different. Laughs but effectively the same because that legend that origin is so specific a specific but also so like classic and well told if you did something like this with like, okay, this kid get spiders through an insect already. You're like stop they did it in bright burn like you're just doing Spider-Man. Okay. How about this rich kid stop, but you can't Batman. Come on, man. Oh you do? Okay. So, you know how there's God's right. So then there's this island and psyche stop II don't copy and pasting at this point. I hope that it's not a trend. And in that way, but what I think is exciting is like embracing that myth and we've seen it before I think Watchman is a movie that was ahead of its time and Watchman has a lot of deconstruction attempting sort of happening. But I think that it didn't have enough to say about superhero movies not enough superhero movies came out and now ten years later. There's a bunch left row. So I'm all for more movies like that actually deconstructing some of that, you know would be dope. Ninja Turtles is originally a spoof comic right we've had Seasons of a Daredevil Netflix show what if the next Ninja Turtles on top of being Ninja Turtles actually tries to spoof some of that like legit tries to spoof some of their like the very like melodramatic, you know, like, you know Slow Burn of a Netflix show and those like so I'm I'm I'm for that mystery man was ahead of its time. Let's bring that shit back. Let's do comedy. Let's do it like good but not bad, but like good let's do horror. Let's do, you know, let's explore different stuff and genres where Marvel Studios says each one of the movies as a sub-genre not really. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't you know, like Captain Marvel's straight superhero. Like it's like there's really no other subject like space then it's like well your guardian - yeah, like, you know a man's a heist man. I really like it's got superhero like it's, you know, it's in there like black panther afrofuturism. Yes for sure, you know, but it still has a lot of those beats. So like yeah, I'm for that stuff, but I don't necessarily know if it's going to be like horror break. Down specific tropes for I think well, I think audiences will only allow it for Superman Mmm Yeah, and I mean, I I'm very intrigued by the movie and who knows what it could spawn. But yeah, I agree. I think if you start falling into this trend of great, let's use this to deconstruct. Like let's make this the anti-everything superhero movie, you know, it's like we're going to do one for Iron Man and cap and Wonder Woman and Green Lantern into the low table then it's like great. Yeah. We're just milking this new thing and it'll just turn into like Earth. Re with the crime syndicate your psych eval Green Lantern evil Flash evil. You know what I want to see the bill to some Universe. I would rather what years would I think what you're I agree with this notion of like I would rather see that attempt at storytelling in this kind of stuff versus like okay the next Superman movie. We're going to deconstruct a deconstructs like stop just do Superman Superman just do it. Don't overcomplicate it. That's it. Wonder Woman simple beautiful. It's not trying to be like, here's a Wonder Woman is it we're going to subvert it like spider-verse got away with it because Spider-verse had a specific message, which was anyone can wear the mask designed to be able to tell that an animation all work together. Plus I think Spider-Man is a character. This had so many movies. Yes that was part of it that was part of the origin where you know, Peter be Parker was basically the Tobey Maguire version. So don't do that with everything like just just do Martian Manhunter, don't ya don't subvert it. Like I think when I see those, yeah, and I think we're at we're kind of at the point now where it's like with certain characters. I know we've gotten multiple iterations laws or Of stuff, but if you are doing a character that is part of a greater Universe, you need to build the building block of what makes that character that character and then maybe years from then once he's had his own Trilogy Where we can really establish like this is Superman's role in the connected DC Universe then I think there's a lot of room to play around with like what else can we do with this character? But yeah, I don't think we're kind of at the point right now where we can flip these characters upside down when we don't even know who they are on the first place. We need to build up to ya last thing we're going to touch on really The shazam movie has been having some screenings and man. It is getting some some really mix and praise. I'm excited the consensus out of all the things that I kind of just like went through really quickly consistent consensus on Shazam is another win for the DC for another one for DC a movie filled with humor action and heart with a strong family story at its core. It is in fact big meet Superman with plenty of references to the greater DC Universe, which we talk about is great while never losing track of its own story its sweet endearing and a great entry in the DC filters. Umm universe so that's just that's just what I wrote based on what I saw from everybody tweeting about so I continue to be super excited about this movie. It looks amazing the enthusiasm from the cast and David Sandberg. I love when David Sandberg trolls people on Twitter. It's my favorite thing. I love all those things that you know, isn't that what was the thing and said, why is Batman's belt yellow? Please tell me this is Ben Affleck's Batman. What was his answer for it? He said like I forget exactly what I'd like / - Or something like he always has like some creepy thing or he's done even like his own visual effects takes unlike when Billy Batson turns into Shazam Shazam is dead and he just like turns into anything. It's great. I love it. She's am dead. Yeah, so I am very very happy and excited that this seems to be another hit for DC. I think they are very much finding sort of their footing and they're figuring out what they're doing and like look if it takes a few solo movies for them to kind of figure out exactly how to treat this and all these characters right great at some point. I would really like to see Shazam and Superman in a movie. Yeah, you know, it doesn't have to be the next one but get us there eventually in the meantime. Yeah, like I'm just so happy that we had justice like in between I would say it's a hat-trick. It's not technically but to have three solo movies, you know one after the other after the other to be potentially huge hits. I'm very very happy to hear saying yeah, man, I was thinking about no one ever gonna see it probably Hopefully hopefully early next week, but I'm I think it that I think at the latest I am scheduled to go see it next Friday evening, which is pretty early and I'm excited about it. Damn. You know, I'm gonna get a town next week. I'm gonna be out of town. I'm gonna be in Vegas not like them will not be in Las Vegas. I will be in New York City because I'm going to be seeing this and then oh, you've seen your yeah. So because there it's an event. I don't know if I can say anything whatever. We'll see what happens. I hopefully get to go do it and go see Shazam. I've been Reading Shazam comics. I'm excited. I was thinking about this and a lot of people in reflecting on this. It is such a great time right now. It's really great. If you love these kinds of movies and stories Captain Marvel had a movie man and it came out. It's Carol Danvers Shazam got a movie dude your if it really is like for being fans of both of those characters in both of those like lineages. It's very cool that they're both happening. Yeah, like we're game for yeah, like we're getting them and now we're being super spoiled. Yeah. It's it's a thing that years ago, you know fans. Exam especially were like, it's just big with powers. Yeah do the movie, you know, but just do it and now it's happening in. Yeah, and it looks great like originally when we got that roster in 2014 and Shazam was on that list of movies. I got super excited as like, this is great. I've loved seeing this character and all the animated series and all the animated films and reading some of the comics and I thought like lot of a new 52 stuff was really cool. But also them using New 52 plus little Things here and there from the pre I like that attitude. I like that right David Sandberg seems like he really understood the essence of this character and thought like I can incorporate things from both sides just make a really fun movie. Then you have Zachary Levi headlining the whole thing and like now to I met him once yeah, and after talking with them for five seconds, I was like, this guy's perfect. He's so good. Yay. Okay, so great super excited cool guys. In the meantime, please go into the comments. Let us know about all the topics that we talk. About we went we Deep dive we did. Yeah, Devon all this stuff. There's a lot of really good stuff happening. Let us know what you think about the suicide squad casting Idris Elba where some other actors or characters you like to see in that movie. Ooh, maybe should replace Joel Kinnaman as Rick flag, or do you just leave the character out? Let us know your thoughts in the trench every single thing that we cover down in the comments below if you haven't subscribed yet. 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On this week's episode, James Gunn has begun assembling the new roster of Task Force X members that will comprise The Suicide Squad. Idris Elba is in talks to replace Will Smith as Floyd Lawton AKA Deadshot, while Dave Bautista may be joining the cast as Peacemaker, alongside new Squad members Polka-Dot Man, King Shark, and Ratcatcher. Margot Robbie is expected to return as Harley Quinn. Stephen Amell announced that the CW series, Arrow, will conclude after a 10-episode eighth season. The series, which spawned other DC tentpole shows like The Flash, Supergirl, and Legends of Tomorrow will air its final season starting this fall. Aquaman producer, Peter Safran, gave some more insight on The Trench spin-off, Aquaman 2, and how The Conjuring universe has influenced their approach to world of Atlantis. Batman is celebrating his 80th birthday in style this year, including a kick-off celebration at SXSW 2019 that will be spread across all mediums, including comics and TV. The brand new trailer for Brightburn debut and it begs the question if this will set off a new trend to deconstruct mythic characters like Superman, and others. Finally, the first social media review for DC's Shazam! are in, with many calling it the best entry in the franchise.

And then the third piece is content. I think to really be successful in this day and age you have to have a consistent continuous content strategy. She's creating so much content and putting it in every platform that you can and figuring out ways to tell your story other than again. Your team is literally everything like you are not going to be amazing and every single, you know division of your company and the best thing you can do as a leader is understand your vision. Asian and hire people underneath you who are as passionate as you are and as motivated as you are and get those people to drive your vision for you because you can't execute on everything or you'll fail. Hey guys and welcome back to another episode of coffee and a good vibe. I'm so excited today because I'm sitting down with the female Powerhouse entrepreneur that every single Male guest has actually told me I need to connect with her and have her on the Pod and I'm so grateful to be sitting down with Tiana haraguchi is your last name Cricket. I love it. It's so pretty. It's beautiful. Thank you. So Tiana, thank you so much for your time. I know you're so busy. If you guys are watching the video. We're in this beautiful office space. It's absolutely unreal, and I'm just so excited to dive deep into everything Tiana's creating her journey and just guys you guys are going to just be Shucks with all the things that she Done sweet know it's thank you for having me. Thank you so much. So Channel its kind of take it back a little bit. You could just frame the audience people who may not know you a little bit about you personally your journey and how long you been in LA and kind of what you're working on? Yeah, so I've been in La for four years now actually four years this month. I moved here to start for a but I guess starting back from the beginning. I'm actually from the East Coast. So born in Hawaii grew up on the East Coast went to college in, Rhode Island. And then lived in Boston for six years. So I've literally been on the scene. Yeah, but yeah, I started my career in finance. So I initially wanted to do investor relations with hedge fund managers. I did that for four years and I think for me I've my family are there both entrepreneurs my mom and my dad so growing up. I was always surrounded by that and I was fortunate to have that type of structure in my life where you know, I always admired my mom's work ethic and my dad's and neither of them work tonight. I-25 and they had their flexibility. So I think because that was something that I was aware of I always knew that was a possibility and yeah, I mean, I think I also love the path that I went down because I think working corporate for four years really helped me understand the business side of the structure needed to run an organization. So yeah, I worked in finance. Like I said for four years and then I knew pretty quickly when I turned 24 that I just was an At heart that's amazing. Yeah, but that would be what fills me but obviously the hard thing about starting a company is like you want to have purpose you want to be passionate about what you're doing. And at the time one thing that I was passionate about was shopping. This is kind of crazy, but I'm not crazy for a girl but just crazy the to go from Finance to a fashion industry and there was a hole I saw with Boutique owners because I worked really late hours. So I'd work till eight nine o'clock at my Ants job and then I want to go shop at some of my favorite fashion boutiques and they're always closed. None of them had online sites. They had very little social media presence. They were starting. So I said what if I create a mobile app that will help bring Boutique shopping online and just help these Brands understand the importance of having a digital presence. And this was very early on this is back in 2013. So, you know, right when influencer marketing was just starting and social media was getting really big and I did just that I created Block called booty key and we worked with a hundred takes in Massachusetts and Connecticut. We helped create just online source for them on a mobile app. And then there is an in-store loyalty program so we could literally track who are your most loyal customers Target them with notifications every time we were running a sale and then I was using influencers to help promote and store events and influencers and that was a very kind of loose term back in 2012 2013 and you know in Austin there weren't tons of fashion influence. There's a lot of them had full-time jobs that they were doing it as a passion and I got to talking to them and like really becoming friends with them and starting to understand the industry and I think I realized after about a year it was going to be really hard to scale an app with boutiques because you have to unboard thousands of them just how much energy it would take to actually manage all of those relationships and scale it out would be difficult and the margins were tough. So opposed to going out and raising capital for booty key. I kind of took a step back and said based off everything. I've learned in this past year and a half of running booty key. Where do I feel like the industry's heading? What am I passionate about and I was just really fascinated by social media influencers, and I just, you know said, I think this is the future of marketing but I don't think Boston is the right place. Yeah, so I called one of my girlfriend's Caitlin who co-founded With me and she had moved to LA and just kind of kind of have become an influencer overnight of moving here and I flew to La just to understand the landscape and fell in love with the city. First of all the winner and yeah, I just saw a huge opportunity in The Innovation that was heated with influencers. So I moved here four years ago. And now I'm here today. Wow, that's so much right there. Like this is the beginning of your entrepreneurial career you It to start a not a lot of people they'll think of you an idea and then they're like an app. That's insane. Like that's a lot of work and then they just don't do it. So already that's is so much on your character and that work ethic that you have to like start an amazing company and it did Super well and then you decided like I see an even bigger Gap to fulfill and then you went all in on that and you move to LA and I moved to LA recently and that is I know it sounds like in podcast and it just sounds like on Instagram. It doesn't look like it's that hard. It's a big jump moving from anywhere to LA because Allah is like Shark Tank. It's a really nice shark. Tagged went out. You're in here. Everyone's amazing. But definitely moving yours like a big jump let alone to move here and then start a new company. Yeah. So that's unreal within just booty key itself. Did you have a big team helping you out? Did they move into for a with you and believe in the next big Vision? So one of the girls is outside right now, is that the one I met when I came in no, that's Alex my head of influencers. Success Hannah has been with me for dogs and sweetie Q started. So it's been seven years, which is crazy. Yeah. So Boutique, he was a fairly small team. There were just three of us there and then Hannah when I moved to LA I took her with me for four. I just because she was who is managing all of the influencer piece of things and since we were starting for a which was predominately around influencers. I I needed her help so she's been with me and then I have a great additional team that's here as well. Wow, that's unreal. They truly like we're going to leadership to because you're truly like such a strong leader to the team is truly influenced by you in such a positive way that they want to be a part of everything. You're creating So within for a how did that Journey go because I know for a does so many things from not just like working with influencers about the events and all the other elements that for a does you want to go into that a little bit more. I'm sure that'd be helpful. So for initially started out as an influencer marketing agency, so To me so much about building a brand is based on community. And you know, I was even with the team that we had that we launched for a with I didn't feel like it was enough to just say hey, we have some experience in this industry. We see a big opportunity influencers in La come join us and be a part of this. So I said, how can I work to build community prior to diving into building when I want to build and to me like events and experiences were how you can bring people together. So we initially launched As an experiential marketing agency and we were one of the first agencies that was bringing Brands and influencers together. Yeah, even still influencer some Brands just don't really quite influencers wasn't yeah exactly. So it's it was that piece of it. It was really trying to we did our homework. We understood who were the top influencers in the space in each category who was friends with who who did we think would get along and we did our first trip. I'll never forget. It was in Park City. We put 10 influencers. Other summer kind of friend somewhere at all. And I look back now and a lot of them are still best friends to this day because it doesn't bombs you putting people together who have similar interests. And yeah, we talked about the importance of community behind Brandon to me. It's one of the most important things so we spent the first year just focusing on building Community with events with experiences. We did some campaigns around a brand would retain us and say, you know, I need 10 influencers to help promote the launch of this product. Can you help me figure out who would be the best people for that? Yeah. That was the first year of for a and then moving forward. We raised Venture Capital at the end of 2016 a small seed round and the whole goal of that was to then take that community that we built and funnel it into a Marketplace. So just like a high level of the marketplace. The goal was to have a single shopping destination that powers influencer storefronts. So we wanted to give influencers away to authentically connect with the brands that they loved working with that they were passionate about working with and give them away to monetize thought because one issue that we were seeing is a lot of the better brands that these influencers like to wear their clothes or try their beauty products. They weren't necessarily either shelling out budgets or have the budgets to pay them but the influencers didn't necessarily just want to work with them for free. So we tried to create a model that was unique where we created this platform were an influence our can log on and literally just shop different brands that they wanted product from with the click of a button as if they were shopping on. The retail site so we helped make that experience easier and we gave them that value add and then for the brand it was great because they would log on to this portal and say oh I have, you know, a hundred new influencer. Of course, I want to work with my brand this wow, and they pick and choose which influencers they felt like were a fit and then the way it all came together was when an influencer requested product from a brand on our site they would then be required to create content wearing it. So if I'm an influencer and request this Blazer on the site, I didn't create a picture. I upload it to my storefront and then we all all have their own unique links for they can promote it to their followers and say Hey, you know, these are the brands that I'm loving right now. If you want to wear the Blazer I'm wearing you can go buy it on my store. Wow, that's unreal. You truly are like, you know the recipe of success to build a brand and you mentioned it earlier Community. But what else would you say like just to dive deeper into that are the key recipe elements for success to build a brand. Yeah. So yeah, so for sure community and we've kind of dive into A little bit Yeah, I think I'll just to just to kind of push that a little bit further. I think obviously consumers are aware that influencers Brands. They're trying to push and sell things and to be successful as a brand you have to have a value of that's more than just selling or consumer is not going to trust you off the bat. So I think you have to figure out what are your value adds that you can provide. Is it the qualifiers of your brand if you're a beauty brand. Are you vegan? Are you cruelty-free? Are you? You know like no parrot until you clean whatever that might be. And then from there your influencer strategy like working with influencers. It's again, they don't want to just feel like you're using them to promote something. Like what is the value I'd you can give to the influencers in your community to make them feel like they're part of something special and that they actually truly do relate and resonate with your brand and feel good about promoting objects. It transfers over. It consumers are so smart with their buying decision Martin's consumers in influencers alike like University. Is you need consumers who feel like they're part of something bigger and you need influencers to be ambassadors behind your brand that truly do believe in it. Because if you're just paying an influencer, you know their fee to promote your brand and they're doing it for the money consumer is going to see right through that it won't be authentic. Yeah, so I think you know obviously having a great community and you can do that through a Facebook page. You can do that through Instagram through in-person events it through your email marketing campaigns every so many times due to act lie Lee so that a really strong influencer marketing strategy and then the third piece is content I think to really be successful in this day and age you have to have a consistent continuous content strategy just creating so much content and putting in an every platform that you can and figuring out ways to tell your story other than again. Hi. This is a product I want to PSI is by the Lincoln my Bible happily. What who are what is the DNA of your brand and why and also sharing that with people It's amazing And clearly influencers are like I feel like you're the Godmother and pointers because they all love you like you're actually friends with them too. So let's go into that. How is it working with influencers and being so in the influencer space? I feel like like you said Brands approach if they do want to approach influencer marketing just like without using for a they don't do it in a right way that's well-received to the influencer. So how have you built up such a strong base of influencers? That want to work with you and be a part of everything you're doing. I think a lot of it goes off and stems of of what you just said how I'm actually friends with them. Like I took the time to make real relationships with influencers and understand what drives them how they take what types of friends say like and like for me if I have a client that comes in and says, hey I need ten brands of influencers behind a campaign. I'm never going to go out to an influencer who I feel like would it be a good fit for the program wouldn't truly like it it wouldn't resonate with their followers. Is our for a team, we work really hard to authentically aligned Brands and influencers. And then again, it's like I think so many Brands look at influencers as unfortunately like a transaction and they are building their own Brands uniquely, you know, passionately themselves and they want to feel like that they want to feel like you're understanding their worth in regards to more than just a follower account and safe work so hard to build those brands. What they do is it's really really Affiliates not valued Enough by people who aren't in the space and don't understand it. Now. The most common thing is, you know, hey influencers have the easiest life. They just shoot content all day. Yeah, and it's not that like, it's the same thing they have to do and they deal with like social media the pros and then the Cons with like negativity to by putting your life out there on the platform. There's so much but the same thing I'm telling you you have to do to build a brand successfully they have to do They have to literally faster their Community everyday create so much content and you know again like sometimes I have to say I'm going to pass on this payday with this brand because I know it doesn't fit with my audience and the smart influencers do realize that that yeah sometimes in the in the short term or when you're building you can maybe make less money being more strict with the brands and the deals that you do but it will eventually pay off because your engagement will be back be better and people will trust you more. So yeah, I think that's it. It's just like like understanding and connecting with them and treating them like any other entrepreneur that I would work with. Yeah, that's how we run our business with influencers. It's amazing and it's truly like it's just picked up so much momentum with like the next business venture in the next exciting Endeavor you guys are working on so, can you share anything about what's in the pipeline was for a like because there's so many things you just got all follow Tiana while you're listening to us on your phone go follow her on Instagram at Tiana underscore. Yep argh. She it's all gonna be linked below but just paint picture of her life. It's unreal. Let's go in soon. Yeah, the things that you're doing right now with for a sure. So yeah, I think you know a good kind of lesson to talk about is I think with every startup things don't always go perfectly and how you want them to go and for us we did have some issues launching our Marketplace. We ran through some tech issues where we lost a year bought though the tech platform you Want like had envisioned to run? It's a hefty. Yeah, and a lot of people don't realize that like while we work with influencers. We were a tech startup not an influencer Marketplace and that was you know, when we went through some very very challenging issues with building and developing our platform. We lost a year of time. So we launched it two years after we raised capital of hosts and those 1 million dollar rate, by the way, that's incredible. Congratulations eventually female founded 23 female. We've raised over two million in capital, which is great. And yeah, I think we when we when we got the market place to launch we learned so much right away. We had amazing traffic and a lot of happy Brands a lot happy influencers 500 influencers using it 55 brands that we put on it, but the big issue is just infrastructure like to manage a platform like that. You need people who are one focusing on building the community to focusing on the social and content strategy 3 making sure that thing from a development side is functioning is the site speed fast enough for people to need to have a good experience. You know, how are things workin dies on the brand pages and you know these things that people probably don't even take in until you're in that business model you realize yeah, that's what it and even marketing. You know, it's not enough just we yes, we had 500 influencers promoting the platform, but you still need a strong SEO strategy of a strong paid social media strategy a strong retargeting strategy. So when you really think about all the different pieces And team members that we needed working together to build this effectively. It's a lot and I think we underestimated it a little bit. So at that point we kind of realized. Okay, we either need to raise a lot of capital and do another round to go really build and launch this or we need to figure out what we have right now and like is this what we want is this where we want to go and that was a really tough moment for me because I was starting to realize I wasn't as passionate anymore. Out the actual Marketplace piece and I think for me it was just because what I love is brand building and while a Marketplace and a brand that power is a Marketplace is in a brand we were essentially just helping power together multiple Brands and pairing them with influencers. So I had a heart talk with my investors. We were just about to close another round and I said, hey, you know, I really think what I want to do is build and launch brand. He's behind communities of influencers and I'm especially passionate in the beauty and wellness space. There's a lot from an innovation standpoint. I think that can be added in and even just from a qualifying standpoint of Beauty Brands again talking about vegan cruelty-free clean and making brands that I call them Mass teej. So, you know their Prestige looking Brands, but at prices that are affordable to everyone where you don't just have to go into Sephora and pay $65 for a drink. That lotion like there is a way with the right product Rd and marketing that you can create products that are still really good for you and make you feel good. But on an affordable price point so at that point I came into a meeting with Tracy Holland who is the CEO of hatch Beauty, which is where we're sitting today beautiful place. Yes, and I was telling Traci because what Tracy's done at hatch beauty is she's built a leading Beauty and wellness incubator, so they've been incubating. Brands of past 10 years. Yeah, fulfilling whitespace opportunities for retailers. So some of their bigger Brands they have today is our nature. Well, which you can find in Sam's Club and Vitamin Shoppe found which you can find in Walmart, and we're expanding that to some new retail as Christopher Buckle which is exclusively our first digital brand right now, but he's a celebrity makeup artist Sylvester Mariah Carey and Christina Aguilera kind of amazing celebrities and then Orlando Peta who is a famous hairstylist, and we've had his brand all over we've And give you see an Ulta in Costco. So again another amazing person to work with but I was telling Traci, you know, I really want to incubate in launch Beauty Brands. I have a very good understanding around content around influencer marketing around the creative piece that's needed and Community. I don't necessarily want to go out and build the entire production piece of it because obviously to get a brand to Market you have to deal with R&D you deal with sampling product. You have to deal with compliance and legal and just understanding factories minimum orders. All of these things that go into producing so much and I know my strong suits, you know, so yeah I said do you think there's a way we can partner together and maybe you can help with the actual product piece and the creation development piece and I can help with the creative influence our content piece. So we are currently a strategic partner of hat right now. We're still working towards the future and what exactly that means but This will need to stay tune. Yay. But yeah, my entire team is here right now and we're essentially helping helping them as a client where we're helping them with their influence on content strategies of all their current brand which is huge for a brand are probably seeing it right now with the Brand's you started working within the difference already in their content and their marketing game plan everything. Well in tiny one listing who's interested in putting Brands into retail. You'll find that the number one thing that C is hearing over and over from her retailers is hey, this product is great. But what's your digital strategy? What's your influencer marketing strategy? What's your content strategy and it's true like in this day and age you can have a great product. But if you don't understand the digital world, if you don't have that built-in Community have built-in brand a retailer is going to say I have 50 other brands here pitching me right now that you really already have that built in and we have a much better chance of making that successful with them then. Working with a brand that no one's ever heard of so we're really kind of refreshing the Brand's now and understanding the why behind them like what makes them special and then, you know part of 2020 and hatch 2.0 that we talked about is going to be launching new brands behind celebrities and influencers. That is so exciting. Is that just like living in your purpose like every day you wake up and you're living the life that like your dream job. Yeah, and I think like that's important to touch on to the guy I was Very fulfilled in what I was doing with for a running our Marketplace, but I always felt like I wasn't fully there. Like I didn't feel you know, a hundred percent passionate about what I was building because by Nature I'm just not a tech founder and I love love love building Brands and Community like we talked about for me just like digging it and learning this process has been so unbelievably amazing and I do I wake up every day like work doesn't feel like work. Work and never really has but you know when you love what you're doing, that's what people will say, but even this like I'm excited to get here every day and like for me, I always ask people what their drivers are and you know, one of my biggest ones is growth over money over anything just consistently learning and figuring out how I can take that now this is so exciting what hatch Beauty. I love everything and it takes a lot honestly to a lot of people say stuck in the everyday. There's so many Well, I know who are friends of mine who wake up every day in a job that they don't like but then they wake up because they think it's the only option but for you to like you were living it like with such amazing businesses you built you still were like, you know what there's better there's something else I could be doing that will fulfill my cup even more like that takes a lot to do that. So with hash Beauty, I know you're going to be building the brand that they currently have like their marketing strategies their online footprint and then some upcoming Brands so So that being said, what do you think or like the biggest things that someone listening could take to build and launch and scale their brand especially from an online perspective. Yeah. Yeah. So I say that there are five things that are critically important when building and launching a brand. So the first piece would be the actual why behind the brand so what is the purpose of your brand? What is the value at again to why people are going to resonate relate to it wanna buy it. Yeah to the product. The product has to be good as well. They can't Be you know a fake marketing story on why this is good. You're going to have people come back and continue to shop from you. If you had product 3 would be your content strategy. So again consistent valuable content that you're syndicating across every platform because like Gary Vee and so many great content to say social media is free. Every platform on social media is free. So it's free marketing. If you can get the right content that you're creating for would be your influencer marketing strategy. So, I mean, I think it's crucially important. And to have authentic ambassadors behind your brand whether it's nano influencers all the way to Mega influencers and celebrities. What is your influencer marketing strategy and five would be community so building a community of your most valuable customers and really using them for feedback for product Innovation for you know life to create lifelong customers that add True Value that's amazing know all of that and that's all your areas of expertise. So this is why you guys want to work with hatch Beauty lat Product which is why I'm here. Yeah mazing. Yeah, I think let me one thing kind of just a sneak peek. But for I is actually going to be launching its first brand which is like on the beauty and wellness that's gonna explode like sure watch out any other Beauty brand in the market like like Khloe Kardashian. It's all gonna go up out the door once your friend launched it in that be nice. No with your foods like whole like system and like also network of influencers who truly like love everything you stand. And for and then this brand what excites you so much about like the health and wellness industry. I'm sure you have it like in your mind like what the product is and beauty and like the line but I don't know what you can share. Yeah, I think right now I'm again. I'm really passionate learning about clean Beauty and sustainability. I just I never realized how many chemicals were in certain products and I think being here it's it was literally like going back to college like I got thrown into product building 101 like these The formulations that go into these types of products, especially in skin care and when I realized how many toxins were actually in so many of the products I kind of became obsessed with understanding. What are these clean beauty standards and how can we make product that's better for you and makes you feel better and then around sustainability. I think it's important just obviously everything that's happening with the environment right now. Just having you know sustainable packaging is crucial. I definitely think in La toots the Market to launch something like that end because everyone is so woke to do that as well. It's fine. It's what we were talking about earlier. You know, I'm really passionate about this whole message opportunity right now where I just I don't think that you know, obviously everyone can't afford $60 skincare. So I think being able to create products that fulfilled the clean beauty standards, but can appeal to a more mass audience. There's still a hole there for sure. It makes sense because it is expensive to formulate product clean, but there are ways to do it and you know, it is taking a little bit of a less margin for the brand but no longer feature a better pass and to me I have a really big give back that I'm passionate about that. I'm going to be putting towards our brand and I think it all really ties together really beautifully. So so excited and he like ideas of timeline like when the first announcements will be out on a tour when you guys are looking to announce. Yeah. Yeah, so we're just in the concept phase right now. It takes nine to 12 months to create products. So we're going to be focusing you'll notice a transition in for a we're actually going to be transitioning for a to be a community around Beauty and wellness and really honing in on that because I think it's like we talked about like you need to prioritize you to take a stance like we will forever not forever. But for the long time being have our agency where we bring together Brands and influencers and create this event these events, but I You truly believe that to be successful. You have to take a stance prioritize what's important and you know for us to talk about fashion and beauty and travel and it's just a lot. So we're going to take about all the way in on your expertise and what you're really passionate about that's exciting. Everyone's gonna have to stay tuned keep their eyes peeled loves you another podcast once it's a launch and and I think even for those listing if you are passionate about beauty and wellness for a is going to be a really great destination where it's not going to be for the next year. It's just going to be about building Community. We don't have product to sell. Wow. So it's going to be you know, these are the top brands that we feel like are our best for how much value right there to know this type of skin. If you care about clean if you care about sustainable, you know, what's in your daily routine just really building community that will provide a give back and then hopefully when we launched our brand people want to shop from us, too. Yeah. No, it's all perfectly in Divine. That's unreal to hear. Kind of want to end off on like hearing a little bit more about you because sure everything that you've created and everyone in this podcast listening has literally probably like they're just in shock with everything you've done and that does not go unnoticed and it takes a lot to make the person that you are to fulfill all those things and also like show up every day at the office and have such a positive outlook and you have a crazy day and I'm so grateful for your time to even do this and you've probably a lot going on. So, how do you fill up your own? Cup and how do you live like a balance and I'm sure like a lifestyle full of Health and Wellness is well being an entrepreneur. Yeah, so I think what I'm learning is you need to have balance. Like I spent the first four years of my entrepreneurial Journey doing nothing but working and I feel like and I was lucky because a lot of my job enabled me to travel with influencers and talent but it did leave holes in relationships connecting with friends that were outside of this. World's, you know having enough time for family. So one thing I realize is like balance is important between time with your family time with your friends time with your boyfriend. And then time for yourself that you need to have routine. Like I feel best when I'm waking up early. I'm getting my workout in for the day. I'm eating healthy, you know, those things all power you getting a good night sleep. Yeah. I don't know how you can be mentally present every day and try and be an entrepreneur and do so many things. If you don't have that type of I know some so passionate about this topic and I love asking every entrepreneur because if you didn't do those things you wouldn't show up as abundantly you do and like have that like light to give to others. Did you have a mentor to growing up? I know your parents were entrepreneurs. Maybe they were your mentors. I mean, I have it. I didn't have a mentor growing up. I definitely looked up to my parents a lot. But I have really amazing advisors as part of for a yeah, and you know one works in consumer for a Equity company and she really just helps me understand the landscape I have other ones who are experts in content experts in marketing have really just like not only giving me good advice but also picked me up through the hard times like this has not been an easy Journey for anyone who would think that on the outside. We do a really good job of concealing that like, it's been a fight for sure, you know through starting through changing directions to raising money through losing rounds to getting rounds of capital. It's been a log, but I think Having a great support system through advisers and mentors is extremely important and then, you know also just being really really resilient in understanding what your end goal is and not giving up till you get there and you know, I think additionally besides resilience and support it. Yeah, making sure I talked about drivers at your drivers are filled so, you know not just doing something because as you even as an entrepreneur as you go through a path you might find yourself Landing in different. Places that you didn't expect to be and I think to be a very truly successful entrepreneur, you have to be 1 million percent passionate about what you're building and what you're doing and understanding your drivers and what gets you there is really helpful and like just like you're living proof of example doing those in like listening to those and starting those things that are calling you and urging you if you want to quit that job guys listening like yeah pursue that business venture and go after it all in so amazing. I'm so excited for all. Well everything you said, it's just such amazing words of wisdom and value. I want to leave the audience on Tiana is best piece of advice for any entrepreneur, maybe the advice you would give to yourself when you first started your entrepreneurial Journey not even knowing that you'd be now like third big company in what would you have said to yourself in the beginning that maybe someone listening may need to hear in the beginning of theirs. So I think the biggest thing for me was As a young entrepreneur, I started at 24. I thought I knew so much and I knew quite a bit. But yeah, it's pad. I found very experienced mentors and advisors early on I think I would have saved myself a lot of headache and heartache down the line just because there's so much that goes into running a big organization and sometimes startup start small with two three four people and then as you build and grow and scale you really need the right infrastructure and team and Leadership and financial models and everything that goes into place. So really understanding one get experience support underneath you like whether that's advisors mentors investors and number two your team is literally everything like you are not going to be amazing at every single, you know division of your company and the best thing you can do as a leader is understand your vision and hire people underneath you who are as passionate. As you are and as motivated as you are and get those people to drive your vision for you because you can't execute on everything or you'll fail. So this would be it. Those are all fire Go free one this listen to that over and over again write that down, and I just want to thank you so much again for your time today screenshot your phones and tell us that you're listening and loving the podcast and thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you.

Tiana Haraguchi is the CEO & Founder of Foray. Foray is an influencer marketing agency that created experiences with brands and influencers as well as a marketplace (shopforay.com) that powered influencer storefronts Her passion for building brands in the online space & the beauty and wellness industry has led her to an exceptional path in multiple business ventures! Tiana’s entrepreneurial journey and background of expertise is exceptional! Her vast background covers it all & this episode is packed with amazing value for EVERY Entrepreneur. We discuss it all from, Raising money from VC firms, Influencer-backed brands, Influencer Marketing & BEST Practices and Strategies, How to Build and Scale an Online Brand, Content Distribution Strategies for your Business, the Importance of Building Community, Why Content is so important, being an Exceptional Leader, Managing your team,  & SO much more! _____________________________________________________________________________________________ Watch the FULL VIDEO Interview & BTS Content Here: https://www.youtube.com/ayeshasehra Connect with Tiana here: Instagram ➟ https://www.instagram.com/tiana_haraguchi/?hl=en Connect with me Here ↴ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ayeshasehra/ Email: [email protected] Audio Edited/Mixed By: @ben_smith_ Follow CAGV on Spotify Subscribe to iTunes

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Turn direct at 11 degrees of Scorpio mercury has been retrograde since October 31st, but it actually started its whole retrograde cycle on October 11th, when it first passed 11 degrees of Scorpio. So this is the degree point where it is turning direct at and that whole area of the sky between 27 and 11 degrees of Scorpio is where the retrograde has occurred. So you might want to check your chart for any important placements between eleven and twenty seven Scorpio and if you have Planets or points there. Then this retrograde has been particularly important for you. Now. This is a part of your chart that deals with your vital energy your joy and your eroticism. So here we have information about how you express yourself authentically, honestly, and again, joyfully what wants to come from your deepest Center what wants to come from your kind of purest sense of self-expression this I think of this part of the chart as the inner So, where are you and your innocence? Where are you in your kind of silliness or again? Your authentic playfulness now Mercury's retrograde and particularly when Mercury is retrograde in a water sign such as Scorpio can bring up some feelings can bring up some emotions so over the course of this retrograde what has been coming up for you in terms of Your vitality your energy your creativity your expression. Others receive your expression potentially your romances what kinds of Reflections are you getting or what are you feeling about how you are expressing yourself from your heart then as mercury turns direct it will finish up its shadow phase. So that means that now it has to recover the territory that it has retrograded back over and during this time. There may be important insights that come through awareness and resolution of some of the issues that Mercury's retrograde brought up if you had creative Of ideas or projects that were kind of swirling around in your imagination over the retrograde now maybe a time when you have more energy or Clarity to start to initiate them and bring them for words. This is a great time to notice what you're thinking about in terms of how you want to be expressing yourself and what wants to be coming out of you in the most honest and authentic way and I mean that kind of in general, how are you expressing yourself and communication? How are you? Pressing yourself in energy. And then how are you expressing yourself in really particular ways in terms of what you are creating what you're putting out into the world Mercury will finish up its shadow phase on December 7th. And then on the 9th, it will move into Sagittarius. And of course the sun moves into Sagittarius on November 22nd Sagittarius is the place in your chart that gives us a lot of information about your day-to-day your jobs your chores your Le T's and how you attend to your basic well-being and balance in your life now with the sun and Mercury both here, there's a lot of energy coming into this part of your chart. This may be a busy season for you. I'd really love for you to use this solar energy and Mercury's communicative and mental energy to think about how your everyday can be a place of Adventure and exploration for you. Sagittarius is a sign that loves to consider the big Picture and that loves to open to possibility that loves new opportunities. You can get the big picture you can have doors open for you and your opportunities. When you resonate from your heart and from your spirit in an open-minded way, so take advantage of Sagittarius season by working with Sagittarius as an energy notice how your filtering information don't get too caught up or consumed or clogged. With details try and keep your your mind oriented towards the big picture give space for yourself every single day to come back to your big picture idea to come back to your intentions, especially around the new moon on November 26th. We'll have a new moon at three degrees of Sagittarius. This is a great time for you to start to set intentions or call in what you want to cultivate in your Ship to the every day. So here I mean your jobs your responsibility is your schedule and again your basic health and sense of well-being or Wellness in your life. You can think about this the new moon phase as a period of time when you can begin something. This is a period of time. That's right for New Beginnings where there is a growing and expanding energy so from New Moon to A full moon. What are you wanting to meditate on in terms of these intentions? How does your everyday turn into a place of possibility exploration and Adventure. I like to think about the new moons as times to set intentions for the next year of growth until the new moon in 2020. So between now and then how do you want to shape your schedule? How do you want to live into your head? And your kind of Wellness regiments. How do you want to be in relationship to your jobs and to your responsibilities think big picture think expansive think opportunities. And again, the more that you can resonate from a place of expansiveness of generosity and truthfulness. I think when you know Jupiter, excuse me, Sagittarius has an energy that's so cheerful the more that you can bring that into this. Part of your life. The more doors will open and the more opportunities will come in. So a couple of other things that are happening this month will have the full moon on December 11th. That full moon is in Sagittarius is opposite sign Gemini this illuminates the access for you between the everyday jobs chores responsibility schedules your health and everything that is totally out of your control and kind of unknown and vague. So we have the access of the mundane and the material with the ephemeral and ineffable. This is a full moon to give yourself a lot of mental space run some baths for yourself. Give yourself a head massage. Make sure you're getting enough sleep lie down on the floor and put your legs up the wall for a while. This woman could bring some feelings of haziness confusion overwhelm as well as actually really rich inspiration and for you to benefit from the inspiration that's possible at this full moon. You need to be in an open minded and receptive place on November 25th Venus will move from Sagittarius into Capricorn and then on December 2nd Jupiter will also move from Sagittarius into Capricorn. So we have the two banana fix of the zodiac Venus and Jupiter which bring Good Vibes with them Venus brings attractive magnetic sweet qualities. Jupiter brings expansive opportunity oriented and good-natured qualities with it. Both of these planets are moving into your solar seventh house, which is the house of relationship. I should say that these are relationships with everybody how you're meeting the external world how your meeting the social world and then particularly these kinds of relationships have to do with important others who you're not related to in your family, but you're meeting really as an adult and these are people who you are. Collaborating with who you're learning to compromise with who you're kind of working in or at least striving work in balance and harmony with so that could definitely include life Partners spouses romantic Partners as well as collaborators important business partners or coworkers in some ways and even really good friends as Jupiter moves into Sagittarius. It's going to be there for almost a year Jupiter will Transit sad until December 20th of 2020 Venus will be there just under a month until December 20th of this year. So use this energy to again open up and call in what you're interested in opening to I'm calling in with your relationships for the month of Venus's there. It's a great time for you to socialize get out and meet people if you're single and don't want to be or if you want to meet a new friend you've got Is on your side during this transit for the entire year that Jupiter is in this part of your chart. There's so much for you to learn from there's so much for you to grow with when it comes to your relationships. And there's a lot of support for you to cultivate your expansive capacities and relationship and that means to get attuned and aligned with how you really want to be in them. Good time for you to be letting go of old ways of being in relationship and calling in new ways of being and particularly calling in relationships with people that you really feel like you can grow with they inspire you they light you up. They give you a sense of possibility in the world Mercury will move into Sagittarius on November 9th, as I may have mentioned at the beginning and from the ninth until the 29th Mercury will Transit your solar sixth house. This is a great period of of time to set your mind to important tasks that you need to do in your life arranging your schedule getting on top of your responsibilities Etc. Really nice influence of mercury there to help you kind of see the more mundane aspects of your life, maybe in a new way and give you some inspiration and motivation again to consider your daily life your regime your routines as an adventure finally on November. Eight. It is the national day of mourning otherwise known as Thanksgiving in the United States. I'm encouraging folks this year to please donate some money or time to indigenous LED organizations. I'm donating time and money to the indigenous environmental Network. And this is an amazing organization. It's entirely indigenous LED that does really awesome work within the environment and with education. Please check them out at ien Earth dot-org if you want to learn more about astrology. Elegy for this month become a subscriber. You can subscribe by donation and you will get access to my extended monthly forecasts and and calendars. There's so much going on this month lots of planetary aspects. 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Horoscope for Sagittarius Season (October 23 - November 22, 2019) These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Sagittarius Season in 2019. Sagittarius Season extends between November 22 - December 21. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Heart of Sky, a Dark Rift - Embodied Astrology for Sagittarius Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Sagittarius and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world. Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Sagittarius represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Sagittarius season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here: Get the Sagittarius Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Follow Embodied Astrology: Instagram - @embodiedastrology Facebook - Embodied Astrology (@embodiedastrology) Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello. Thanks for listening to the embodied astrology month ahead. Audio horoscopes for Leo season. This is Renee Sills your astrologer and host of the embodied astrology podcast along with these horoscopes. Please make sure to listen to embodied astrology for Leo season this special episode called glow time focuses on Leo in the body in life and love and relationships and experiences everybody. He carries Leo in their bodies. Everybody has Leo in their charts. And in this episode, I'll offer some attunements and healing practices for working with Leo in yourself. And in your life. Also, please remember to check back in with me at the new moon and the full moon this month for some lunar Attunement practices on July 31st. We have a new moon in Leo and on August 15th. We have a full moon in Aquarius and both of those days. I'll be putting out meditations or embodiment rituals to You are tuned with these lunar cycles. I want to offer a huge. Thank you to subscribers subscribers. 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Your horoscope is coming right up stick around. Hey friends. Do you have something you want to say or information that you want to share? Have you thought about making a podcast? If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain first of all, it's free to use and you can use it on your phone or on your computer. There are built-in creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your device. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on. Modify Apple podcasts and many other platforms the best thing or one of the best things I think about it is that you can make money from your podcasts with no minimum listener ships. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place learn more about it and download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. All right, we're going to get into your horoscope. Now as always I just want to encourage you to listen with an open mind horoscopes are a general kind of art. There are a ton of people on the planet and there are not only twelve kinds of people. So as I offer your horoscope, I'm offering General suggestions and the energy that I'm receiving from the chart may or may not be applicable to you in exactly the way that I speak it. So, please listen for the sentiment or the Symbolism and what I'm saying apply it to yourself intuitively if you associate to something that I'm saying, that's the right thing. You can go down that road. Listen a couple of times ask questions to yourself kind of consider all the different ways that you could think about what I'm offering and always take what works leave the rest. Remember that these horoscopes are simply suggestions here for your best benefit and positive Evolution. I want to encourage you to listen to the horoscopes for at least Your son and your rising sign your sun sign is the season that you are born. It's what you answer when someone asks. Hey, what's your sign? Your rising sign is the time of day. You were born not everybody has this information, and so if you don't know your rising sign your sun sign is awesome to listen to some people really get into listening for their Moon signs for their Venus signs. There are all different signs for all the planets in your chart and really many of the horoscopes could speak to you. So I hope you oil, whichever ones you listen to Hello Pisces, welcome to Lio season. This is your audio horoscope and month ahead for the span of time between July 22nd and August 20 seconds. And for you this span of time is highlighting your solar sixth house. So for the Pisces Rising chart Leo rules the sixth house. If you're a Pisces son person think of this as something that is a message for your soul and just kind of listened as always to what works take what Sleep the rest and enjoy the symbolism the sensation sentiment. All right. So this place in your chart has to do with the most practical matters of your life. And I mean that literally like practically what do you need in your environment? And what keeps your life functioning? This is your schedule your health regimens your daily routines and The jobs and the chores that you need to do in order to keep your life going and for many people this does include also your job and I think there's a quite a lot of people who work jobs because they need the money and the job itself is not really the thing that they want to be doing with all of their time. So this is still a necessity. It's a practicality. How do you learn what you need? And this place in your chart also has to do With the sense of practical usefulness of you as a being in the world. Where are you useful? How do you feel your sense of responsibility on this planet at this time? What do you want to contribute? How do you want to serve and what is service really? You know, where do you feel like you need to show up for something? So over the course of the last month cancer season there was a lot of energy in your solar fifth house and this place has quite a different feeling the solar sixth house is your joy is Your vitality your essence if you can be doing anything you want to be doing. What is it? How are you really kind of expressing yourself in an authentic way as we move into Leo season these considerations take on. A more practical tone. You may be thinking about ways to make your day-to-day life more fun. How can you structure your time and arrange your life your schedules your regimens Etc to be more aligned with the sense of Vitality and creative enthusiasm. Leo is in conversation all month with the other fire signs, Sagittarius and Aries and for you the The fire science all rule places that have to do with employment with vocation again with this kind of more practical considerations of your life and how it functions including how you earn money and what it is ultimately that you want to be doing. So if this is not about the job that you're doing because you have to do it. What is it that you're really doing here. What's your sense of purpose or ambition? World and there's a lot of stuff going on in these ideas for you right now. Like what is it that you're here for? What are you trying to do? How are you going to sustain it? You're only have one life to live. You have limited energy and resources that the feeling of a momentum of some kind and intensity of some kind to apply yourself and use your energy and resources. In ways that feel good to you is ramping up. This is your one life. How the fuck do you want to live it? You know, it's this kind of feeling of like, okay, let's go Leo is also in conversation with earth and water Leo is in kind of an uncomfortable aspect with Earth and over the course of the month as you kind of are asking yourself these questions. How can I apply myself in different ways. What is it that I want to be doing? Do I take care of myself in a more energetic way you may have to contend with rules. You may have to contend with social expectations. You may have to contend with barriers of some kind and there's going to be a little bit of friction for you particularly in what I'm going to say. Is your mental capacity over the course of the month. How can you project out into the future? Future and how do you narrate the current experience to yourself? Do you see the opportunities when they're in front of you or do you see a rule? Do you see a should or a responsibility when you see a doorway? Do you see a door that can open or do you see a barrier that's been shut and your throughout the month kind of working to expand your mind in some way. But you may also be confronting the limitations of your own imagination quite frankly and like, how can How can you make this thing happen you want to kind of work to lubricate the functions of your mind a little bit and release them just a smidge from too much reality. So let's take a look at what's going on throughout the month. I'm going to look at just a couple of the most important aspects and transits. If you want more information about the astrology of this month, please consider becoming a subscriber to embodied. GE subscriptions are pay what you can you can pay any amount per month and subscribers have access to my extended horoscopes and these extended horoscopes have a lot of information. So you'll have a little bit over an hour long recording of me talking about all the aspects coming up this month how to work with them what to expect this is not signed specific, but you can apply it to your chart and then you also get a PDF with all that information to okay. So as we get into the There is movement as I mentioned a moment ago from cancer into Leo. So we've got the personal planets in Cancer and Leo right now the sun moves into Leo on July 22nd Mars is already that there it's been there for a couple of months and then on July 27th Venus moves into Leo Venus brings a benefic gentle beautiful quality into this part of your chart. Again, this part of your chart has to do with your day-to-day schedule your regimes your chores. A sense of service and also your health Public Service Announcement your health has a lot more to do with your happiness and your state of mental equilibrium. Then it does just solely with your exercise or your diet. You probably know this. I'm just reminding you that health is a holistic state that includes mental emotional Psychic Spiritual and physical health and as Venus enters the sign you are. That you're probably able to experience your best health or your sense of most complete Wellness when you are happy when you are engaging yourself with activities that you love and that bring you Joy when we're stressed out when we're doing stuff that we don't like our health suffers. So this is a reminder to fill your days with at least some, you know, dance break parties or something or stop and smell the flowers. So to speak Venus. This is in Leo through August 21st, and this gives a sense of peace and enjoyment and again a kind of beautiful quality to your day-to-day. This is a really good time to focus on kind of how you're using your body to engage with pleasurable activities that are Health boosting on July 31st. There's a new moon in Leo. This is also the day that mercury turns direct the new moon is at 8 degrees of Leo. New moon is always a time for a new beginning. And for this new moon. Just consider. What do you want to cultivate over the course of the next 12 months in your health in your daily daily day-to-day life and with your jobs your busyness some of you this may also be with your pets. Actually. I forgot to mention that the sixth house rules pets and relationships to animals. So some of you may also be kind of thinking along those lines, but at this new move Une, there's a lot of support for you to be kind of making space making yourself more available to include what stimulates your heart what brings you Joy in your day-to-day life Mercury is train Direct on this day as I mentioned at 24 degrees of cancer. This is in your solar fifth house. And this is a kind of reminder to bring in your sense of Vitality your fun your joy into your day-to-day think back over the last three weeks of Mercury's retrograde notice what you notice maybe there have been some ideas kind of in the works that weren't quite ready to move forward as mercury starts to speak up pick up speed over the course of the next few days your more and more ready to move these projects forward to kind of start to think about how do you change these more structural elements of your daily life to include more of a heartfelt sense of satisfaction on August 11th, the planet Jupiter ER stations Direct in Sagittarius and Sagittarius rules your solar 10th house. This has to do with your career your vocation your public persona for many of you this again is what you want to be doing in the world that may have to do with career vocation that may be some kind of other quality that you emanate and Jupiter in Sagittarius have the kind of expansive meaning Making knowledge seeking wisdom loving qualities to them Jupiter is a ruler of Sagittarius. So it functions very strongly there. They share these qualities over the course of the last four months Jupiter turned retrograde on April 10th. You may have been in a kind of reflection period for yourself around how do you want to be in your public presence? Really? What is it that you are doing here in In the world and how are you growing and that experience for those of you that have been quite content in your chosen fields or with what you're doing? You may be in a time right now where you're thinking Hmm. I'm ready for just a little bit more where else can I go with this? How can I expand my reach or how can I expand my knowledge for those of you who kind of have flitted around quite a bit as Many mutable signs tend to do you've become very Adept in many many different things Jupiter at the top of your chart may be infusing you with a sense of optimism right now and Adventure, how can you synthesize all these various skills that you have and places of knowledge to form it into something of a unique hole and then as we get into next year, there will be more momentum for you to build on that on August 11th. You're honest. Also stations retrograde on this day and you're honest will be retrograde until January. It turns Direct on the same day that Saturn and Pluto formed their conjunction in Capricorn. So if you're a familiar with astrology, you're very aware of this applying conjunction between Saturn and Pluto and this is a very important astrological aspect. It only happens. Once every 36 years has not happened in the sign for a very very long time and this is bringing a completion. I called to something and I'm going to say that there's a sense that I get looking at your chart that the completion cycle may be resonating on a couple of different levels. So on one level some of you may feel this socially you may feel it with your friends or kind of sense of social network and like your your circle of some kind there may be a very remarkable sense that you are moving into a new phase of your life and that you're ready for a different social experience. And over the course of these next five months with Uranus retrograde in your third house. You may need to be making some kind of shifts with the ways that you're engaging kind of close in with people with your communication style. It's like you want to have different kinds of communications different kinds of interactions. Probably more fun, maybe friends that are meeting you and more of an updated way or sense of social experience that feels like it's Something new not the old thing others of you may be feeling this in terms of more of a broader social sense, but I'm going to call this like your social awareness and this isn't so much about particular relationships as it is the kind of cultural moment. So what's happening in the world of the social and of course, this is a very strange moment on Earth and humanity is in a very kind of bizarre State, you know of Awakening for many and then also of complacency and a lot of fear and this one of the ways I could read this Transit is that your sense of activism is getting a boost that you're starting to feel like you really need to engage yourself in a particular way maybe that you need to engage yourself for the future or you may need to engage yourself. Some kind of political motivation but there's a sense here that you're a little bit Restless in your metaphorical neighborhood. And that neighborhood is like what's close into you? You want to start to shake things up a little bit you're shaking things up again and how you're communicating what you want to be expressing how you want to be thinking about things how you want to be gathering congregating communing with others. And then what the impact is of all of this. This change Mercury on August 11th also enters Leo. So we have the planet of communication entering a sign that is very expressive. And again has to do with your day-to-day life. I get a sense for you that there's a lot of energy and Leo season. There's a lot of motivation that you have to change things up. You want to change things in the structures of your life. You want to change things and how you're relating to people and as mercury comes into Leo in your solar system. Taos you start to get some kind of clarity and downloads is how you're going to do this. Oh, I can change things by making this adjustment. Oh that thing is going to be better over there. I'm going to clear this out. I'm going to organize it this way, but what you are organizing and arranging is around the structure of again, your your happiness like a sense of Vitality and this doesn't have to be flamboyant or grand but I think actually It just feels true. So there's not a lot of drama around it. But there's something to me that just feels true where you're like, okay, you know, I'm the happiest when I wake up at this time of day and I get this kind of practice in and then I read this poem or something like that. I am now going to commit to doing this five days a week and this is the type of clarity I'm talking about where you're like, okay, not a lot of drama. Okay, here it is. This is what I need to do Mercury coming into Leo again. For those of you that have pets. This could be a great time to communicate with your pets. I'm not an animal Communicator yet. I practice it a lot and one thing that I've been working with that. I'd love to just throw out there for any of you with Animal Companions is connection through the heart literally so to kind of like pet your pet to hold them. And to feel where their heart is and to feel from your heart into their heart and just make a connection that way of course humans tend to anthropomorphize everything and imagine some kind of Human Experience on it and animals have their own reality. You know this if you're a Pet Companion, but this is a really good time to kind of connect in to build those channels of connection if that's something that you're interested in on August. Since there is a full moon in Aquarius and Aquarius is the sign just before yours. So this full moon offers some reflection for you into the place of your psyche that is often kind of unreachable this full moon illuminates, the axis of the 12th in the sixth house is a really good time to pay attention to your dreams around this full moon. It's a good time to again kind of connect with the liminal. So whether that's communicating with your pets or your spirit. Guides or talking to this the spirits of your deceased things like this. This is also a really important time for you to notice the way that you are impacted by the collective and by culture in general and again, maybe to just have some intentionality around how you're working with a more Collective energy. Remember to check in with embodied astrology on the full moon as well as the new moon for some astrological and embodiment. Port from me August 15th Mercury's Shadow is complete you are blessed to move forward at this point with your projects Mercury is completing its shadow in the sign of Leo again, this is about your day-to-day your health if you had ideas about how you want to structure your life and your schedule you're now ready to move forward with them on August 17th Mars moves into Virgo where it will Transit through October 4th on August 21st, Venus moves into Virgo where it will Transit through September. 15th and on August 23rd the sun moves into Virgo where it will Transit through September 21st, all of these planets now coming into Virgo bring the personal planets into your opposite sign. This has to do with kind of Readiness I think for relationship in a slightly different way. So I was mentioning a moment ago a kind of your sense of The social and like the social whole and as Mars Venus and the sun all make their ingresses into your opposite sign you may actually have quite a lot of opportunities to practice communicating connecting interacting with people in different ways Virgo as your opposite sign represents the other this in some ways is any other and specifically this is your important relationships and committed Partnerships as the personal planets start to fill up this space. In your chart. I think you have greater Clarity around how you relate with others and how those relationships impact your day-to-day your health your sense of social participation are these relationships that are up to date with what you want now are they relationships that have some kind of conflict that need to be addressed? This will be a month that will start to bring them up the kind of later part last couple days of Leo season and then definitely Virgo season with Mars in Virgo and Venus in Virgo. We have a little bit of a caution here around criticism and Hyper focus on the details. And so especially for those of you who are dealing with important people your partner's your spouse's your business partners and important friends as well as again, just people in general check your judgment. I just want to say that just check your judgment. That goes for your projections on what other people are thinking about you. So if you're in a place where you're going on my God, they're judging me there judging me there judging me check that judgment. And if you're judging them check that judgment Virgo can be a very judgmental sign and these planets coming in give a lot of emphasis to micromanaging of the details and you might be picking up on all kinds of things about other people and you might also be picking up on all kinds of things about yourself. So soften the edges a little bit if they feel edgy. All right, that's what I have for you for now. I wish you all the best in Leo season. Bye for now.

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I have a brand new author for you today Veronica of Veronica dot-org nice domain name there, but her name is spelled v IR o ni Ka she's actually from Ukraine moved to Toronto when she was eight at 26 sold most of her stuff and became a digital Nomad. She's now an author speaker performer and you can keep up with her journey at Veronica dot-org definitely check it out. But for now, let's get right to our very first post from her and start optimizing your life. How I stopped feeling inadequate and comparing myself to others by Veronica to the lava a Veronica dot-org. I used to feel like I never be successful. Like I never measure up to the accomplishments of the people around me right after I first began coaching and speaking I spent much of my daily life comparing myself to people I consider successful and I never measured up. I've gone website after website feeling my heart sink as I wondered. How will I ever be able to do this? How can I ever get People to listen to what I am saying. What if I'll always be a nobody what if no one cares what if I'm not good enough the shame was overwhelming and so was the anxiety after I quit my day job and became even worse. I left my career of study my field I'd excelled in academically and professionally to pursue a passion that left me feeling inadequate and insignificant. I was Too Young Too inexperienced to unguarded to unqualified. I wasn't slick enough. Sexy enough or well-dressed enough. I was just me and for a while there that was a painful reality. I fought these demons in my head secretly as I tried to share a message of love. I fought with my constant sense of inadequacy as a coach as an author as a people helper back then I didn't see that. I was judging my work the same way. I once judged my body. I thought I'd made huge leaps in myself. Love journey, and I had but I wasn't done learning yet close to a year ago. I had an epiphany. I was invited to come on television my first ever appearance on TV to talk about my story and the love mindset. I wrote about my experiences at the time for now. I'll just summarize the story for you very simply. I was terrified then I had an epiphany it was the kind of epiphany that felt good but it didn't hit me hard. Some epiphanies make your eyes light up and you know that they're changing your entire life. No, this wasn't like that. This was the kind of Pickney that feels nice, but you don't realize it's life-changing. You look back and see that everything is different that Epiphany was this this is not about me. It's about the people I helped my job is not to be successful. My job is to serve that is how I succeed that little Epiphany cleanse all the work related anxiety out of my mind day by day. As I reoriented my sense of purpose in the world about two weeks later. I held a meet up and there was this sense of ease and never felt before like going out to tea with a good Friend, no fear just warmth then went on the radio and got incredibly excited in those moments before I went on imagining all the people listening and having Transformations induced by what I was about to share then I brought this joy to my one-on-one work and suddenly there we were laughing crying and changing together no more. What will they think or how will I ever become successful enough or how do I get people to listen to what I say or am I saying the right things no more. Just how can I help how can I serve freedom is like I had a new sense of direction a new Compass within me that pointed always to love. This was my duty my purpose my life to give to help to serve at undergone a revolution a silent one. There was no background music or fireworks just growth and he's every day. I felt lighter as I shed my inadequate self-image and my self sabotaging self. Rituals, I stopped checking out the websites of other coaches and authors feeling horrible about my work comparing myself. I stopped obsessively checking my Alexa rank in my Amazon author rank. I saw feeling like I was never going to get my message out there. My stop feeling dwarfed by the accomplishments of others who were teaching what I was teaching. I stopped feeling like I had to earn the right to speak instead. I just spoke Freedom Looking Back. I had no idea how much suffering He has created by comparing myself to others by always evaluating Myself by making it about me and my success and my message I didn't realize how selfish I was being. There is a freedom to We There is salvation in service when I was wrapped up in addiction and eating disorders. My was selfish. My suffering made me selfish and my selfishness made me suffer. Yes, I was traumatized. Yes. I've been hurt but I cared for No One except myself. People only meant as much to me as the emotions they could produce in me. I saw no one deeply especially not myself and I never ever had enough of anything. I made myself suffer with this constant need I felt to preserve myself. I needed to preserve myself financially and emotionally and physically I needed to fix myself and keep myself whole I need to keep making my inadequate self good enough how exhausting I think what a truly rewarding about serving the world is this by giving my time money loves wet blood patient's attention by giving it every day as much as I can. I appreciate pose that there's more than enough to go around simply by giving I proved to myself that I have enough that I am enough when I approach my work and my life from this awareness. I realized that I am deeply connected with everything and everyone around me that is who I am when I give to people I give to myself only Myself I give to people there is no boundary between us when it comes to love to love me and to love you is the same is all an act of unconditional service to compare is to separate to compare is to assume that you are different to feel inadequate in someone's presence is to put them into another category from yourself. And that is all a big illusion. Of course on some level. We are all unique and different when it comes to worthiness strength Beauty power and love we are all the same. No one is inadequate. Everyone is deserving in that we are equal. We are all equal storehouses of human potential waiting to be unlocked by Universal unconditional love. You can spend a whole lifetime unlocking those doors and I'll be a life well-lived that is true success. So what it comes down to there's nothing to prove and there's lots to do my work your work our work is to serve. By helping ourselves and helping others. Our work is never done Mahatma. Gandhi said the best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others. So let us go and get lost together one pair of sparkling eyes at a time. You just listen to The Post titled how I stopped feeling an adequate and comparing myself to others by Veronica to galava a Veronica dot-org. Please show her some support by visiting her sight. I have it linked in this episode subscription a real quick. Thanks to anchor for hosting this podcast. Anchor is the easiest way to make a podcast. They'll distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard everywhere Spotify Apple podcasts Google podcasts and many more you can easily make money from your podcast to with no. 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Vironika Tugaleva shares how she stopped feeling inadequate and comparing herself to others. Episode 1232: How I Stopped Feeling Inadequate and Comparing Myself to Others by Vironika Tugaleva of Vironika.org Vironika Tugaleva was born in Donetsk, Ukraine in 1988. Her early years as a misfit began her painful struggle with mental health. As she struggled with self-acceptance, anxiety, and identity, Vironika found solace in words and music. Her first book, The Love Mindset, won the Readers' Favorite silver medal for Best Self-Help book of 2013. Driven by an urge to spread light in the world, Vironika began to do life coaching, speaking, and writing in the personal growth field. In 2014, Vironika sold her things, left Toronto, and became a digital nomad. She launched her 2nd book in 2017, The Art of Talking to Yourself. Currently, Vironika is working on a poetry book, writing and peforming spoken word, and planning arts-related events. The original post is located here: https://www.vironika.org/stopped-feeling-inadequate-comparing-others/ Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

Anchor is so easy to use to make your podcast. I've been wanting to make Confessions of a casting director for years and I floated around looking around the internet for all different kinds of ways to make my podcast. I downloaded different programs and finally stumbled upon anchor it's so easy and user-friendly and perfect for people who are super busy. So make your life easy pursue your dreams use anchor and make your podcast a reality because I did Hey everybody, so welcome to the official Confessions of a casting director podcast. So it's really funny because I have been wanting to do a podcast for such a long time. First. I actually want to do a radio show back when confessions of the casting director first was published. And now of course the world is full of podcasts and I've always loved doing voiceovers when I was a child actor. So what better way to combine my love of audio With my love of actors and my love of my book confessions of a casting director. So it's December 2019 and we are celebrating publication anniversary coming up on December 17th. So in honor of the books anniversary Welcome to our podcast, there's so much to talk about and so every podcast episode is going to be different. Sometimes it'll just be me giving some interesting perspective about some auditions that I've recently Conducted sometimes I'm going to be talking to some of my favorite actors about their challenges in the audition waiting room and the audition room what it's like to be on hold for a role to not get a role the highs and lows that make up this crazy business of Show Business and I'm going to be talking to Stage moms. I'm going to be talking to directors and writers. So I think you're really going to enjoy it and we'll start with probably my most challenging audition story when I was a child actor. Okay. So most of you know that a group in New York City in the 1980s and the introduction of Confessions of a casting director, you can read all about my passionate obsession with the Brady Bunch Little House on the Prairie The Love Boat. I was determined to be on television. In fact, I actually wrote Channel 5 a letter saying that they if they ever needed to replace Cindy Brady on The Brady Bunch, I would be perfect for the role because I had pigtails and blond hair and all of that. So and a sister named Eve like Eve Plumb who played Jam. So anyway, I began auditioning for real in third grade mostly commercials. I had a friend in elementary school whose father worked for Ogilvy & Mather and he quote unquote discovered me at Peter's birthday party and said Jen he's really smart and now going and she seems like she would be great for commercials. So he introduced me to an agent her name is Regina Berg and I started going out on commercial auditions and I will never forget the first commercial audition for Jello because I totally froze like Cindy Brady in that episode where she's on that game show and she stares at that flashing red light and can't say anything or do anything and really gets camera fright stage fright, and that's what happened to me when I auditioned for this Jello commercial at a casting office on 57th and Broadway. I just couldn't say the line. I was very nervous. Nervous and kind of screwed up for the rest of the family. I remember there was an actor playing my grandfather. He was trying to help me. So after that first audition, I actually got a little bit better. I ended up going on in AT&T commercial the next week and had a callback and suddenly had some confidence. So the commercial auditions went on and then the summer before fifth grade in 1982. I went to stage-door Manor performing arts training center and Jean Foxx and Adrien Albert were Being a management company called Kids and Co and I was one of I think their first clients so in now in addition to all the commercial auditions, I started going out for movies and theater and so on but I really actually want to talk about probably the hardest audition that I endured in 1985. So I had many many many callbacks for growing pains Growing Pains was a show on ABC starring Alan Thicke. And I didn't get the part. I thought I was going to get the part. I already knew what the pre-negotiated episode rate would be in my mind. I was already spending the money. I was already in LA and when I didn't get that role, you know, I took it really hard. I have to say that not getting into Wesley and early decision or not getting some jobs as a grownup. None of that can compare to the sadness and disappointment that I felt at age 12. So as my podcast goes on we're going to be talking to actors who are going through auditions today. I will only share that that continues to be one of the stories. I always like to share with listeners or actors that I'm talking to you because it's still if I close my eyes I can feel like it was yesterday and here's the irony. I was in LA last week and I'm flying home on American Airlines and I'm scrolling through all the entertainments and trying to keep awake. There it is. There's four episodes of growing pains. So I sat in my window seat as we were flying from LAX to JFK and I watched several of the episodes and When we landed I got into a taxi came home crawled into bed with my husband and moved back into the present day of my life. So it was fun to watch it brought me back. So many years to what could have been I know that as my friend likes to say rejection is God's protection. So perhaps if I look back at The Growing Pains moment, perhaps I was being protected from what would have been Very difficult childhood acting career that could have taken me down a dark Road. It's hard to know what would have happened because for some reason I wasn't Chosen and I went on and did a bunch of other things in my acting career but not that particular TV show. So I will leave you guys with the this idea as this week goes on try try try try to let it go if you go on an audition and you really want it don't obsess don't fixate let it go into that big balloon in the sky because there will be another audition tomorrow or the next day or the day after that. So stay tuned for more fun upcoming podcast episodes for Confessions of a casting director.

Based on Jen Rudin's popular book Confessions of a Casting Director, this podcast takes listeners inside the audition room. Episodes feature Jen sharing her own audition stories from when she was a professional child actor mixed with current audition stories and interviews with some of her current favorites actors, child actors, stage moms, and more! Jen Rudin is an award-winning casting director who began her over thirty-year career in show business as a child actor at age eight. As a casting executive at The Walt Disney Company, Rudin conducted talent searches across the United States, identifying and hiring actors who went on to star on Broadway in The Lion King, Mary Poppins, and The Little Mermaid and in beloved Disney movies like The Incredibles, The Princess and the Frog, Chicken Little and Brother Bear. Her company, Jen Rudin Casting, casts animation, commercials, live-action and TV projects in New York and Los Angeles. She is a proud member of the Casting Society of America.

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You got Robinson guys popped up out of nowhere Hardman popped up out of nowhere this year Tyree kill Kelsey Sammy Watkins Patrick Mahomes in the offensive line has this ability Leti because they're only rushing three and he dropped in his own because they didn't want Patrick Muhammad said but they have this ability to beat you. However, they want to be started slow again in the first game against the Houston Texans here down 24 nothing this time. They were down 10 nothing the same memes about Andy Reid season in the ante read factor of popping up out of nowhere and then all of a sudden they flip the switch and in a second quarter decided to dominate over the last two weeks. They've won the second quarter or after the first Corner 79 to For something like that 42 of those points coming in the second quarter six drives in a second quarter the last two weeks for the Chiefs six touchdowns in the second quarter for the Kansas City Chiefs the way it goes is whenever you think you have them whenever you think you have it figured out D NP is the defensive coordinator for the Tennessee Titans schemed up something nice had I'm stumped therefore the first quarter then Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes figure it out. And in that second quarter, they just obliterate you and then once that buzzsaw starts blue going they go into halftime. With the lead both times after being down the other coaching staff goes damn Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid in that offense or hot right now and they completely change everything that they thought they were going to do going into the game at Halftime because they realize what standing on the other side of the field what's taking Snaps for the opposing team Michael Vrabel and the boys were the Tennessee Titans looked across the field at the guy taking Snaps its quarterback instead of that guy is an alien. Oh that offense is heating up. Oh, they're going to be able to do whatever they want. Let's go ahead and Change our entire thing. Let's Panic. They don't even give the ball Derrick Henry in the second half. Basically Derrick Henry has been the sigma that nobody could stop. Nobody can tackle Kansas City Chiefs proved that they could but they put it all in Tanana Hills hands. And as soon as you do that you got Ryan Tannehill verse Patrick moms in the second half. Good Night Irene. I said good night football. I like what the Titans did this year. But the Kansas City Chiefs made the Titans be something that they weren't because of how hot that they got in the second quarter and that just carried into the second half Patrick Mahomes also has this Moxie right? He plays to the crowd whenever he came out before the game and they introduced him to run out in that tunnel. It wasn't your classic boring quarterback wave, maybe a full Sprint. Whatever it is. It was a let's go. Let's get the crowd going. He's 23 years old enjoys the moment lives for the moment and he will be The first drafted athlete from Detroit to be a starting quarterback in the super become this early in the show. You had to bring it up. I'm just saying that because he's such a good athlete. He the reason why that I had to bring it up because he was drafted by the Detroit Tigers to play baseball. He chooses to play football and now he's made the NFL his playground basically week in and week out and I think a lot of things change at that by week earlier in the year and here we get a chance to reset his mind and to redraw up some new plays Patty mom's got a chance for his patella that bounced out of his boyars patella supposed to be in came back in kind of rest that up get his knees healthy now defense started turn it on because Tyrann Mathieu was tired of people popping off on Twitter against him Chris Jones. I'm a 95 is probably the second best defensive tackle in football right behind Aaron Donald pretty good company to be in so after that by week that entire team started clicking I started getting hot now. They just rattled off eight straight nine straight and I don't know if they're going to be stoppable to be honest. And if they are the team that battle against Green Bay Packers yesterday might be the team to do it that defense is just an absolute weapon for the San Francisco 49ers. Aaron Rodgers was under siege the entire game Aaron Rodgers made a bad throw for that guy to undercut it there in the first half whenever they were down 17 already or whatever. It was. They had a quarter of Center back Center quarterback exchange issue. Obviously it gave the ball back to the 49ers and at the end he was just throwing it up because they're down three scores have to make a big play like that thingy, but that San Francisco 49ers team the defense is Hungry that Frontline can cause absolute chaos for an offense or yeah for an offense in the San Francisco 49ers offense on the other hand can run the ball over the place Kyle use checking cow Shanahan the two cows they got over there. Yes, the whitest names in history. Yes, very Caucasian. But Kyle Shanahan schemes up these plays George kid. Oh, by the way, one of the most electric and explosive football players on the offensive side of the ball yesterday realize. All you need me to do is just pancake people I can That for you Debo Samuel the wide receiver rookie wide receiver. Not only is that when he catches the ball blocking people down field. It was a full team effort in a commit to that run in Mozart saw and reap the benefit of that. He had a hundred and eighty six yards rushing yesterday before he was even contacted before he was even touched. Those holes are bigger than ones Ron Jeremy used to hit he was running all over the place and that's because that Niners team has great design. They have great grit they have Great plays and most importantly they have a team that is bought in completely to what cow Shanahan's pitching good defense. The offense can win in a multitude of ways. They can throw if need be they did it with the Saints yesterday. They ran it Kyle Shanahan was asked by Terry Bradshaw by the way, Terry Bradshaw did a lot better with the interviews. I thought he was gonna do I mean, I'm a big Terry Bradshaw off man big tear brush off and he and of those interviews a lot better than I thought it. Yeah, I mean cuz everybody knows Terry Bradshaw's a chance to kind of will scatter Brad go wherever he wants. He handled his interviews with Ask how shaming about why they ran the ball so much is because it was working. What do you want me to do? That's an in-game adjustment by the way, he probably planned on Jimmy G thrown about more than eight times. He probably planned on utilize the Emmanuel Sanders and George kiddo. When all this Debo salmon down a field but then whenever he saw that Green Bay Packers couldn't stop a damn thing on the ground. He's like Hey, listen, boys, let's just Hammer this home and the rest of over 300 yards or something like an absolute insanity. And if there's a team that can maybe possibly keep up with the The Chiefs it's the Niners. We got it, right. I'm excited for the Chiefs and the Niners. I'm sad for the Packers. I think they had a hell of a run ugly winning 13 games are 13 game win season this year got to win the playoffs against Russell Wilson do it for them. They're a very young team though, like the fifth youngest roster in the NFL 26 years old is the average age. Aaron Rodgers says, he sees the 18th hole but he's also a happy playing football again, which he wasn't for a long time under McCarthy. I think he comes back maybe he digests the Lafleur. Fans during the offseason gives a little bit more critique. I think we should do this more this year this more this year get them a couple more weapons on the offensive side of the ball sure up that defense. They obviously found a weakness in the Run game. You have to do that come back more prepared for next year, but I think in a rebuild which is what happens when you get a new head coach to get to Nancy Championship as a pack of any got to be happy now for the Titans, they have 28 free agents this year 28 free agents this year. I'm no mathematician, but that's over half the Stir future is in limbo. Nobody knows what's going to happen some of those players some of the key players might never see each other ever again. And that's just a fact that's how the NFL is that Titans team understood what they had in that locker room. They understood the momentum that they had in that locker room. They understood that what the business that is a head that this is probably the last chance at this group of guys. This team is going to be able to make this run. That's why you saw so many dudes distraught after that game, I think on both sides, but for me the Titans chance was this year now. Got to take care of Tannehill. They got to take care of Derrick Henry. They got to take care of the other 26 free agents, which is not going to be an easy task. However, run by the Titans hell of a run by the Packers very very excited for the Niners Chiefs Super Bowl championship when looking at the Chiefs, how demoralizing is it for opposing teams knowing like that. They're never out of it. It doesn't matter what the score is doesn't matter how slow they start like, you can't take your foot off the gas when you play them because eventually those guys are going to get open like you can't play that. That sound of defense for an entire game and expect to just shut down. All their weapons is just it's impossible. The Titans had the ball for 19 minutes in the first half. The chief said the ball for 11 minutes in the first half Chiefs one and a half time with a lead in absolutely unstoppable. That's just it's one of those things where that offense but now a lot of people are saying Patrick Mahomes got drafted to the perfect position Patrick Mahomes has more weapons than anybody else Patrick mom's has this patch mom says that I agree. I completely agree but to be able to Utilize all of these gifts that he's been given and utilize this situation. He's been dropped in and turn it into something that is not going to be a letdown instead. They're succeeding in overachieving than anything. They're probably supposed to do Andy Reid is this guy that is always been talk about can't win the big game can't win the big game. This is his best team. He's ever had ever in 2004 when he made the playoffs for the Eagles. It was the first time the Eagles had made the Super Bowl in 24 years, right Super Bowl. As drought completely stopped because of Andy Reid that see my Dawkins that team had been now that team had a great team that team. I don't think could touch this current team that has for Kansas City Chiefs and this year going to the Super Bowl. It ends a 50 year drought that the Kansas City Chiefs had for going to the Super Bowl. I mean Andy Reid is a gifted coach A Gifted play caller in this team is the most talented team. He's ever had and it never ever feels as if there's any Panic on that Chief silent ever down 24 nothing to the Houston Texans in the divisional round. A lot of people including myself would be on the sidelines, right? Hey, well, I mean this is not how this is supposed to go. Yeah, they keep their cool. They keep their confidence. And then once that buzzsaw gets a going it is impossible to stop and I think what that buzzsaw is is be enemy read and Patrick Mahomes just figuring out what the defense is trying to do them. Once they do that. It's over they did it to the Texans upgrading a couple special teams plays turn the field for them. But I think against the Titans it was just one of those things were as soon as they figured out what variable in the boards are trying to do which was was double they were trying to double a couple people as soon as they found that out there I got here we go. Now this is how we beat it pat. Maybe use your legs more. Maybe you run because he got everybody's back facing you because they're all running with our players. Maybe you run and that's whenever Pat Mahomes pops off for a electrifying 30 yard Scamper where he hits a spin move and runs over for dudes who are scared to death to tackle him because of a potential 15-yard personal foul doesn't matter. That's not Patrick mom's fault. It's Patrick mom's making a plane and taking what the Vanessa's giving him. He throws the ball away at five throwaways yesterday, which is not normal for somebody because like he has a Gun Slinger mentality where he thinks he can fit it into a keyhole which I appreciate and respect but he also has the self awareness enough to throw it away live to see another day and take what they give you he is unbelievable and at any given moment taught her Travis Kelce didn't even have his biggest day yesterday Travis. Kelce is an absolute weapon and last week we talked about we didn't know if Travis Kelce to block or not. He pancakes couple dudes yesterday good for Travis Kelce good for that Chiefs team. But you're a hundred percent. Right? The Niners have to know and I would assume everybody knows this even variable because when they had to kick that field goal early, you only saw him for a bit like damn we had to take advantage of this because if that's 14 instead of 10, I mean, it's a little bit different story in the end. I guess it doesn't count because good teams wouldn't great teams covered. She's covered twice now after being down double digits, right? But it's just one of those things where you have to score you have to keep it going. However, you can and even if you keep a Mom's off the field the song bitch is going to get the ball and all he needs is 10 seconds. He doesn't need much. It's gonna pop off the other side well and like we talked about all last week Derrick Henry. That's what they want to do. They wanted to run the football and then they get down into in a position where it's like, okay, that's not really feasible anymore. Tannehill has to go out there and he's gonna have to beat them on their own. You assume that that's it's going to be the a lot of the same in the Super Bowl, you know, like they're going to make Jimmy G beat em, they're not going to let the Niners run for 300 yards like they did against the Packers. I forget what's offensive lineman mcglinchey. 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Steven Singer Jeweler's one place one price. You're going to love it. Let's get back to the show. Joining us now is Super Bowl champ a man who looks like he's lost about 75 pounds since leaving the NFL you can see him on the ESPN ladies and gentlemen, Robin and kovitch boy Rob. Pat I got a question. Yeah, buddy. What does it mean when people say you've lost weight but you haven't at all like you've lost muscle is that what you do is that you just there's no way the human you are on television right now is the human those playing football for the New England Patriots. You look like you look like a guy that's maybe playing pickup basketball in LA Fitness our YMCA right now, there's no way that was the same guy playing on Sundays. You lost a lot of weight to 61 this morning. That's what I weigh. What do you put my weight and my weight for football is 265 like I'm like four pounds lighter as crazy man. I'm so impressed that you were able if if you're a if you're as Tiny as you look on television in the for the New England Patriots winning Super Bowls and being a disk, I'm more impressed by that than I think anything else. I've heard you look tiny out there if you wear a you know, what it is to wear nice suits right except for you cut your sure you cut your pants and you Of them off relax, but you know if it's a nice fitting suit you makes you look a lot thinner and this is what I want to see in this summer. I want to see you in cutoff shorts and houndstooth. I want to see a houndstooth sport coat with cut off pants. That's a hot one. What the hell is that Rob? What is a hound suit houndstooth? Houndstooth. You don't houndstooth is right. Now. It's a pattern yet, you know like the the old Old school it's like a white and black. It's called houndstooth. Looks like Frogger love it. I've been wearing all black lately strictly because of how fat I've gotten I weighed in this morning to 65 Rob to six know. You're not 265 true. I'll take a picture on a scale tonight. I might be 270 if I hit this pizza on the way out of here straight all in your ass ha ha speaking of in my ass. Let me say something out of my ass right now. I don't think great golfer huge ass. I don't think Niners defense will be able to be as dominant as they were against the Packers as they will against the Chiefs because of how many weapons they have and how offensive ly productive Patrick moms has been am I right or wrong there? Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. Maybe look when you when you watch Kansas City play there. So explosive you look at Tennessee. It was like ten plays 12 plays you look at Kansas City three plays for plays. Touchdown so it's going to be tough. My only concern for this matchup is Kansas City's ability to stop that 300 monster running game. The 49ers running game is very impressive. Oh, yeah, and I got hats off to them guys. Like they were playing the front was playing really tough getting after Green Bay nasty running the football. I mean, it's it's going to be one of them old-school versus new-school. I think type type Super Bowls because of the fact, you know, Jimmy, Only through it eight times, right? That's nuts. That's crazy. But if you could run the ball, I throw it. I have a question. If you're the Green Bay Packers and you're on the defense in you're realizing what these Niners are doing to you. Is it something where you're like, damn we cannot stop this team as a player you looking around the Huddle like, you know, I don't think we have a chance of stopping these dudes. They know it and we know it is that something that happens is they're always at false belief like oh if we're a little bit more Gap discipline if this guy goes over this we change our scheme will be able to stop it or do you think it got to a point yesterday? Because it looked like this to me the Green Bay Packers defense look like they got to a point where they're like, there's nothing we can do about this. We are getting buzzed sod right now up and down the field. Yeah, I mean at a certain point you just kind of you're like looking at each other. Like wow, we suck right now anything, you know as a Defender. I've been there where you're like what the f is going on like do we suck this bad as this really this is this us is this really how bad we are and then in the fourth quarter and you're getting slapped across the face, of course, so yeah, they they knew it. They couldn't stop them like they're getting gassed and I have a well As football it bothers me. Like when I walked into the city took off three times on defense it bothers, huh? I watched offenders pass rush and running situations and just have gaping holes to her. You're still be blocked and get them there and run with for 15 20 yards on touch that would that bothers me and I would rather watching some of these plays with yesterday bothered me, you know, the thing that you just mentioned there will get back to the Packers defense not being able to fill a hole or anything like that hundred eighty-six. Yards, by the way for most there before even contacted so, you know hundred eighty-six Russia are just say without even being touched Woods. We'll talk about that in a second. But let's go back to your Kansas City Chiefs The Blindside block called the off sides then the week before that. They had three special teams blunders in there still winning by double digits Rob. They are they have yet to put together a good game in the playoffs and all four quarters and they are still dominating folks. Is there any chance of them putting the other for sound quarters or Is this going to be something where they played two good quarters to back quarters is this just kind of how their team is? I think it's just kind of how they are. Honestly. I do you watch them early in the game. They just look out of sorts out of sync and then they just get it together and start putting Drives together and it's they're Unstoppable. So if I'm the 49ers, I'm coaching look we got to play for four quarters. And if we get up on these guys who can't take our foot off the gas, we got to continue to throttle down on these dudes because they're so explosive and so good special teams wise. I mean if you get a punt And then you must appoint your chances of winning are slim to none. Yeah, they beat they beat the Texans by like 30, you know, so I play special teams out of the core guy, you know, and I know how important that is. So I took a lot of pride in it you these guys in this game cannot make any mistakes like they have in the past, you know, when you watch the 1st, Tennessee Titan game versus the Kansas City Chiefs. They have a chance to go and score to put the game in overtime. I'm and they freaking get a field goal box like these plays if it comes back to you, it could haunt you so they got it. They got to be tight in every aspect of this game because the 49ers they could capitalize on any of these plays and put it Out Of Reach for you. You know what it's like Rob it's like when a team can't make free throws, I think back to when Shaq's at the line, you're like just make one in message to I look back to I think back to the in this might be too long ago, but that Memphis team those so good, but they couldn't make a damn. Heathrow and everybody's like oh they're so athletic they'll carry them then they got to the championship and he missed like 20 free throws and he lost the game. That's what special teams is and this Chiefs team has been able to now Colquitt and Buckner very good, but it feels like they just make dumb mistakes on special teams almost because they feel like ah, man doesn't really matter. I mean this doesn't really matter. I mean it almost feels like that. But once you run into a team, that's we equally as great as you and I'm not saying the Niners are I'm not saying the Niners have nearly as much weapons as the Kansas City Chiefs Tony often side. Ball but that Niners team is a complete team. I mean they can wreck you in all three phases. That's one that could potentially catch up to you and get your ass. Yeah. Well, I think the equalizer is just a front. I mean you look at Bosa and the things that he's doing as a root and look when I was a veteran I didn't care if they drafted somebody because I was like, there's no way they're going to get it and they're going to be better than me and on the rookie season that boasts a kid is freaking good. He's better you taking my job because he plays Word. He's fast he gets act like later in the game when him and I think it was him and Alexander. I can't remember if my back pretty rolled up on somebody out. There was Alexander somebody else but he made the plate Enfield 10 yards down the field on a check down like he's running to the ball, which that's you know for me I get it WD white guys. Yeah, we run the football but he guy plays hard. I love it. I am a big fan of watching Bosa play the football. I'm a big fan of George kiddo. I love what that offensive line and I'll use check have been able to do if this game ends up on Jimmy Geez arm, which it could because the Chiefs defense eliminated Derrick Henry. They made Ryan Tannehill have to beat him. If this ends up on Jimmy Geez arm. Do you think they could still win this game? Yeah, I do. I have a lot of faith in Jimmy G and I was with him for a while is great teammate. I was able to witness this kind of the way he prepares and how good of a football player he is before practice. I was allowed to practice early and me and him would like play face. Two points just one point. Oh, yeah, you know you play the accuracy game and the guy's a freak as far as accuracy and I know there's one or two a game just like any quarterback you ask any quarterback that you wish you had a few balls back. They're going to say, of course. I wish I had that one back. He just can't make those that throw in this game. He can't throw a lazy ball out to the flat floater and cover two or something like that and get it picked. He just has to be consistent manage the football game rely on his running game rely on. Offensive line, don't try and make too much stuff happen with you can't compare yourself to Mahomes. You can't say. Oh, I'm going to make an explosive play like that guy. You just got to take what the defense gives you read the defense play with you know, how to play how you know how to play take care of the football because at the end of the day football teams lose more games than actually win those. That's a that's a Belichick thing These Guys these teams lose football. It's like you watch the Crackers right and then you can take experience and throw it out the window because experience means absolutely nothing in the playoffs. You could use we've seen guys like Rogers with playoff experience and Super Bowl rings fumble snaps under Center and turn the ball over when they're driving the score. We've seen guys unheralded that have never made a play in the Super Bowl Malcolm Butler example, come up in the biggest game of their lives and make the game-winning play. So you got to throw experience out everything just comes down to execution plane. The right play when you have to make it and who's gonna do it. We don't know who's going to make a game losing play. We don't know but I do know this the Super Bowl having these extra two weeks to prepare it might tighten up a little bit. Some of these dudes are going to have diamonds drop it out their ass because we're gonna be a little tight. So you have to relax and rely on your preparation to go out there and succeed is Jimmy G A guy that will get tighter Z seem like he's Carefree, I think. Miyagi has gotten a lot of unwarranted scrutiny because of the amount of success that they had on the running side just yesterday A lot of people talk about Jimmy G only through it eight times. He's a game manager. He's this every quarterbacks a game manager. It's just whether or not you win is all that matters. Do you think Jimmy G cares about any of these things that are said about an hour or do you think Jimmy G will kind of rise to the occasion not give a damn about anything else, you know, I don't think he's gonna give a damn about what everybody everybody else says. There's everyone's got an opinion, you know, where we us. Yeah, Pat us. We are the so-called experts, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, and the first week of the playoffs. Guess what? I was Owen for next week. I have some Redemption on for now. Now I'm to a now so I'm back on top as far as record goes 6 and 2 in the playoffs attaboy for six and four, sorry six and four, but I would say this you cannot as a football player and you know it too you cannot waste any time listening to outside noise. Yes, you can let that stuff motivate you I've had plenty People say or think of it, you know can't walk to the bathroom without tear an ACL make of it's going to do all this stuff. You just take it and you just put it in the bank. Yeah. Okay. That's you're saying that about me. I got it. I got it and then you go perform and you try and shut as many people up as possible with your performances. So are there going to be people that hate on you? Yes people hate on everyone. It's just a world where and people are jealous. Jamie Jesus solid football player with the intangibles that you would want as your main guy as your quarterback. He has what it takes. He's got all the skills. He's got the accuracies got the the leading of ability and quarterbacks. This is what you got to do is a quarterback. You got to lead you got to make the right decisions when the game is on the line and you got to make sure you take care of the foot. That's it. You got to take care of the football lead and make the right to vote the right choices that those three things. Can do that your team is going to win a lot more than lose sounds so so easy. I can't believe it. No need Of Thee I can't believe they're paying these guys 40 million dollars are Before I Let You Go. I got last question for you. Run that shit. Come on to him in the same. You don't reroute them stress on the safety. Look them off. I got it easy. It's a what 200 million dollars are going to be people that to do that. All right. Well you go to the Pro Bowl. I'm not I don't think I don't know. I like I'd love for to do some skills challenges. I'll snap to you in a mailbox or something. You can kick. The ball all over the place trick shot style. I'm going down Tuesday. I'm going Tuesday, so it'll be through I'm gonna walk around Epcot and make sure that I sample every single thing there attaboy. You should do the Tour of the World the beer tour. You should go try to hit the beard sir that a boy do it. All right before I let you go. I have a question for you is Richard Sherman the best cover Three Corner in the history of cover three corners. Did you see Rivas is whole. Yeah Rivas not happy. I'm assuming you were teammates are Rivas. How do you feel about this give and take? Revis is enjoying retirement. The guy he's he's enjoying it. I saw a picture of him. He looks he looks about 225 right now. Oh all fat and happier, even though he's looking heavy but it's okay. I love Rivas is a good he was a great teammate. Good dude Sherman. This is my thing sermon as a guy that you would want on your defense. He's a leader. He brings a lot of energy to the table in man coverage. You know, he's always 31 years old. All right, so if you put a guy that's running. Running a you know, go on you and it's man and he gets behind their he's not going on. He doesn't have makeup speed. Okay, but if you tell him the hard read the quarterback and he's there for you know tackling and he's always going to make the right decision in sometimes. Yes, in manual mode get be I don't care who you are. It's man coverage. You're going to get beat. Uh-huh. But once one of the best special teams coordinators I've ever been with okay Scotty O'Brien, Scotty. Oh, Scotty. Oh I messed up something he go. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey say it just like this. Hey, hey, guess what? They get paid to say. Yeah. Yeah true. So they get paid to you're going to get beat. I've missed tackles. I've gotten beat I've had tackled. So me to the ground I've been depleted I've and I get back up and say hey your job buddy. So look Sherman, I think brings a physicality like a mindset. You always seems angry, right? He's always yelling. He's mad, you know, and they're like why who doesn't believe in you, but it He just brings that to the table to where the rest of the teams like. Okay, I'm with him, you know, so sometimes defense you just need a mindset. That's all it takes and I think he we cover two Zone read the quarterback man. I don't care what you're doing. If you're making plays. I think you're a good player. Amen. Just like you are two-time Super Bowl champ not fat not skinny same way to use to be robbing a kovitch. Thank you. I'm running the Boston Marathon. Wish me luck. Hey, good luck out there. I couldn't walk that thing. I'm going to eat donuts on the way. Jeez. Don't do that. Rob do whatever you want. Actually apologize for the interruption. I hope you're enjoying the show. 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He'll throw the ball away and then he'll take you exactly what the defense gives him and run the ball and Scamper the ball all over the place the Tennessee Titans yesterday came in with a great plan. We're gonna have sustained drives. We're going to pick up. First downs we're going to get the Run game going. We're going to Ryan Tannehill open it up. We're going to do this. They set up for a field goal early three nothing than a score a touchdown 10-nothing and everybody's like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Is this the same thing we saw last week or is this the Tennessee Titans Destiny leading them to a victory over a team that looks Unstoppable and then all of a sudden what happened the Kansas City Chiefs decided they were going to be good again flip the switch Patrick mom's lead them down the field like 45 seconds scores attached on the back in the game Bing Bang Boom. Take the lead before half and it I'm Mike variable. Dean pees in the boys had to make a decision. They had just seen Patrick Mahomes and achieves offense in the second quarter get hot. He knows that in the last two games the Kansas City Chiefs in the second quarter have six drives for six touchdowns. They decided to completely abort Derrick Henry project which has been the thing that they've been banking on their entire season. This entire magical run has been Derrick Henry in the second half. They even said in all the pregame shows like Derrick Henry and the first half is numbers aren't that great, whatever he gets it going but in the Can have is when Derrick Henry just punishes people. He's averaging like 10 yards a carry in the second half boom boom boom. But what happened was they saw Patrick Mahomes Andy reading the boys get hot in the second quarter in a nap time. They said we got to put this on Ryan Tannehill. We're gonna have to throw this ball. We can't just run the rock because if we do that they're just going to outscore us and they're going to keep it moving Derrick Henry had negative one yards in the second half. He had the same amount of first downs is Patrick Mahomes did with his legs. They completely aborted the mission and instead to Kansas City. Chiefs who have done this time in and time out especially in their last eight weeks this run made a team play left-handed, which is something that the Patriots used to do is something that good teams used to do and it's a great way to win especially when you have an offense that can score as quick as a hiccup basketball homes is an alien. This dude has every single thing you could ever ask for for an NFL quarterback. Yes, Lamar Jackson was an anomaly it is an anomaly that offense was catered to Lamar Jackson making Sniffle Mark Jackson's off just a little bit. It turns out the Titans get that win. But with Patrick Mahomes and all the weapons. It just feels like this guy whenever he wants. However, he wants can pick apart a defense now did he drag it dropped into a situation? That's beautiful with one of the best NFL coaches of all time Andy Reid one of the best play callers of all time Andy Reid and be enemy and also it was one of the greatest offensive sets of weapons of all time. Yes, but as he take advantage of it, absolutely patch Palms, So the only player to ever be drafted by a Detroit team to start in a Super Bowl. Come on. I mean do you really have to bring that up? So hey credit the Tigers though. They knew they had an athlete in that guy but didn't matter should maybe take the Tigers guy to the Lions to get Patrick Mahomes because usually there but Patrick Mahomes and by the way, Chicago Bears have to be watching this too because they drafted Mitchell Biscay. Yeah zero is laughing at the troit there and you deserved it, too. But what Patrick moms in that offense can Is whatever they want, whatever they want. They just have to flip a switch in the defense of the chief since week 11 has been the number one defense in the NFL. Now they have a 24 points of Texans in the first first quarter of a game last week. So that's obviously something to open your eyes. So they were down 10 nothing to the Titans in the first quarter this week. That's something open your eyes to a but since week 11 the Kansas City Chiefs defense has averaged giving up 16 points. That's it 16 points. You do a little quick math Patrick Mahomes can score 17 points and any given quarter with his left hand. This is a recipe for Success. The even have blunders on special teams. They give a block kicks. They do all these things. They must Punk's they do all these things in special teams. They give up fake punts like they did yesterday to the Titans when it was obvious that they were probably going to fake it down three scores in the fourth quarter. It doesn't matter because of how talented the offense is how talented to defenses that team is a buzz saw right now that team is going to be tough. Stop because once you think you'll double-team this guy double-team this guy somehow someway Veatch the GM drafted somebody else and you read plugs a man and they do something wildly different in somebody else gets the ball. They ran the ball down the Titans throats ran the ball down the Titans throats in the third quarter when you thought that that scene couldn't do anything and stats said that they only ran on 24% of their plays or whatever in the second half. The chief said you want will run all over this team if you want to drop eight guys in the coverage. Eight guys in his own and only have a three-man rush on Patrick Mahomes will just run the ball or Pat will run himself and they took advantage of everything incredible run by the Tennessee Titans actually hate that it's going to stop I enjoyed watching him play football. I enjoyed watching a guy who's 247 pounds on 21 miles an hour through people around people and shake the hell out of people. I love watching this Titan Ste. But if your Titans fan 28 free agents on that team 28 of them in the nature of the Beast is this in the NFL. A lot of people on that team her never gonna see each other again ever ever. They just had this miraculous run in the locker room. There was celebrating together. They were getting on Planes together. They were taking pictures together they want on this dynasty like thing and now they will never see each other again. Those might be two notable players 28 people have to get their business settle two of them are Ryan Tannehill and Derrick Henry who are a large part of this success now granted the offensive line also, but that run that has come to an end has a lot of Tennessee Titans fans thing and damn. This was our chance. Now, let's see how the business unfolds but the Chiefs team handled them very easily in made the Tennessee Titans become a team that they weren't almost made Tennessee Titans team Panic, which we didn't think we're going to see ya the Chiefs are just incredible. I really don't think there's any other way to say it and granted it's a double-edged sword kind of with Mahomes because everyone talks about you know, he's got all these weapons. He makes those guys better like, you know, how many how many quarterbacks I mean. He's hitting Tyree kill in stride on those bombs. Like there's a handful of guys that can actually do that. So yeah, he's got a bunch of Credible weapons but I mean already at twenty three people are talking about him being the best quarterback ever. Yeah, and it's hard. It's almost hard to argue when you watch him play. Andy Reid is a guy who took the Philadelphia Eagles to a Super Bowl for the first time in 24 years in Philadelphia now, he's taking the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl for the first time in 50 years for Kansas City. I still don't know which Kansas City it is but one of the, Kansas City, Missouri Congrats the bus both Kansas. Yes vote States. Yes, both Kansas and Missouri, but they haven't been the Super Bowl in 50 years. Andy Reid has gotten them there. Now. This is and reads best team. A lot of people might say the oh for Eagles team is his best team that was with Dawkins and McNabb. I think Tio was there and all that this team right here is Andy Reid's most talented team in Andy Reid's Steve Spagnola be enemy. They have figured out a way to take advantage of all of their weapons the only The only thing about it is they seem to lack discipline. They jump offsides. They make stupid. They do stupid things off the ball Blindside blocks at some back inside the 10 force them to punt. That was the mo and the team by the way, if you can put the Chiefs inside the tender probably gonna punt they jump offsides a lot. They make special teams blunders. They did it just yesterday but none of it matters because the Andy Reid and be enemy take care of and take advantage of all the weapons. They have an offense in Spagnola has the defense playing better than they've ever played Chris Jones number 95 I've d-tackle didn't play in the first round to our divisional round of playoffs because of a calf injury comes back this week. They said they're going to have him limited after the third time. He was in the on the game or on the field. He was looking at the crowd getting them pumped up as I go this guys ready to play. This guy's all the way back. He was on the field 18 times was double-team 16 times had for pressures and two tackles or something like that. He is just a game wrecker. Chris Jones has he's great to be back in the tire and Matthew just like Rob naked but you came on the first our said Richard Sherman was an attitude. Changer for the San Francisco 49ers defense Tyrann Mathieu was an attitude changer for that Chiefs defense now Sorensen's making a lot of plays classic white guy playing safety smart. He's all over the place. He's making plays but Tyrann Mathieu the Honey Badger Don't Care the honey badger is a Savage and he throws form tackling completely out the window in error in lieu of a monster hit and that is something that energizes your entire team the Chiefs right now just feel like the team that is going to be very very tough to stop and Look at I mean the Niners they don't make any mistakes. So that's why I think a lot of people are saying, you know, they think that the Niners are going to be able to come out because like you mentioned, you know, like you have those types of blunders against like so so teams than your offense is explosive enough to overcome that but that Niners team just so that you know exactly what they're going to do and they still come out and punch people in the mouth and it's like there's nothing you can do to stop it the Niners Yesterday by about probably I don't know second quarter maybe late first the Niners learned that they were able to I run however, they wanted to run against the Green Bay Packers. I don't think Kyle Shanahan's idea yesterday was we are going to run the ball and Jimmy G. He's only gonna throw at eight times. I assume that was not the game plan. But once you realize that your offense is absolutely manhandling the defense manhandling George Kettle is just pancake after pancake after pancake Debo Samuel was blocking humans 20 yards down the field for the running back that offensive line and Kyle use check. We're just blowing people out of the water a hundred and eighty. Yards are rushed yesterday for the San Francisco 49ers before they even had contact surd hundred eighty six yards before being touched. That's like flag football. They ran for a hundred eighty six yards yesterday before he's somebody even from the Packers getting a hand on them. Whenever you're that dominant at moving humans. You don't need your quarterback to throw the damn ball. You don't need them to okay, Jimmy. You're really handsome. Okay, you're able to throw the ball over the yard against the Saints and some other teams, and we appreciate you doing that. But you're seeing the exact same thing. We're seeing you just hand the damn ball off. And get your handsome ass out of the way and we're going to be in Miami in a couple weeks. And that is exactly what happened. Now the Niners defense just like the beginning of the year their first half of the year and there towards the end were dominant. Just absolutely causing chaos for Aaron Rodgers making his life miserable that front that front for is stupid. And I think Dee Ford's back which is hilarious. I mean Nick Bosa is this rookie who obviously sat out his last year at Ohio State after getting an injury after a couple weeks in and has been preparing. For this and studying for this in his older brothers in the NFL on his grandfather was a you know, a boss in the mob. So he's obviously a hard-ass but what Nick bocek can do with his energy and his motor in his technique and his ability to just shed blockers is next level and game-changing and George Kittle Sherman. All these guys have been quoted in the middle of games is saying Nick BOCES. The reason why this defense is so damn good. He's just a little Energizer Bunny in there who reeks Havoc if anybody can stop the Kansas City Chiefs Hey, it's Nick Bosa. And that front for potentially making Patrick Mahomes life miserable. But let's assume that Andy Reid's going to get that ball out of his hand quickly. Let's assume that Patrick Mahomes who make smart decisions. He's not scared to throw the ball away not scared of talking and running when he needs doing doesn't take the big hit unless he's trying to spin move guys scored touchdown, but that's going to be the real chess match. Can that front for get to Patrick moms and for Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reed can get the ball out of his hand. I'll be excited to see it. I have a question for you. Yeah, buddy. So the Packers going into that game a lot. Players in the coaches were talking about a call. We have a really sound game plan this time and we're very we're very confident with how we're going to attack the 49ers. Does that do that? Just get thrown out the window like when they get smacked in the mouth and they're getting their asses kicked like that. Do they just panic and it's like what am I Tyson said everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth. I think that's exactly what it was but it's like cuz that that game literally played out exactly the way the first one did they wanted to run with Aaron Jones they do early, you know, and then they get themselves into third mates and it's like, oh hopefully Rogers can bail our asses out and it just constantly and then same thing 49ers can pin their ears back and get pressure. I mean it was it was a carbon copy of that first game almost any time they get you in third and long five or longer. You're done. Yeah, you're absolutely like that. Except to be able to stay on schedule. That's what the Chiefs have to maintain third and short third and less than five because if not that Niners defense is going to absolutely eat and I think anybody was chipping Bose either. I didn't see one time shoot up bakhtiar. Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think bakhtiari was had any help either but like II assume here that they'll have Kelsey or somebody chip Bosa because he's a game record. It's like when we had Dwight Freeney and Robert Malthus they were seeing three guys every single play. It was the that the tight end would get up. Peace On The Tackle get a piece of and even the running back with gypsum. It felt like boson was never chipped which is something that a new head coach and a new offensive coordinator is going to have to figure out and that's going to be something I think going into this offseason. Aaron Rodgers is going to have a better grasp of this offense. So let Aaron Rodgers go out to Malibu do some yoga out there with Danica look out at the ocean and think about that offense and how we can make it better. You remember errands one of the most cerebral and smart humans to ever play in the NFL. That is not just like hey, he's our friend. We're going to kiss his ass. That is real. He's one of the Martis humans to ever play in the NFL I think once he gets a better grasp on it. He'll probably offer up some suggestions that they know their weakness is now they have to be able to stop the run game maybe Shore up that offense and line a little bit but Dem not chipping both so throughout that entire game seemed like a big flaw in my eyes and I talked to a friend of mine who played against that team and I guess if you chip Bosa hard like you have to get him if you chip him a couple times it becomes a different animal because both Osa is a fighter posso wants to take that guy on right and the other guy so now you got him thinking about two people it's a whole different ballgame, but then I feel like the Packers didn't chip them at all and they were just eating however, they wanted to eat and box yard. He talked to his very good very good at football. But whenever you got an elite specimen on the other side and you're going one-on-one you're going to lose sometimes and it felt like that happened and the rest of the teammate is well. Yeah now I guess it didn't matter because you know, the defense sucks. Anyway, I need to fire Mike Patton. You can't give up 300 yards and expect to win but you know, yeah, I mean chipping boson would help as well Todd you get that off your chest there. I've been waiting to say I've wanted them to fire Mike Pettine for like three years now and granted you bring in those guys and like the smith brothers and they have, you know, a huge impact and people act like it was Mike Pettine that was doing it guy stinks get rid of him. He stinks. All right. All right. All right. All right such a abrupt insert there. You don't deserve that. I appreciate you. I watched the last OG the one was on TBS. It's on Netflix my lady and I watched it. I actually enjoyed it Tracy Morgan does some good acting in there. He's obviously the last OG but things happen a lady and I loved it though. That's not what this is for them. This is the tell you who had the vitamins who got off track. 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I think located somewhere in Canada, Ontario, Ontario. Hey. Hey, what's going on there? Pat hater pal Conan from Thunder Bay Area. Watch a little American Sports area. Watch a little football. Hey. Well, you know Pat it's a good day in Thunder Bay, but not a great day in Green Bay. So I was wondering what I think's the Packers should do other than fire patent. We like Rogers need some more weapons. I mean Devonte is great and everything, but we don't have any secondary receiving I agree Jamie we agree with him. I think I think what's going to happen is I think they are by the way. Thanks for the call from Thunder Bay. I think it's it's always a good day in Thunder Bay has awesome. I love that. I wonder if that's just like the town slogan. Again, it's good day Thunder baby. I love that. I want to go to the I want to do a Canadian toward something. That'd be great. I love the fact. He's a Green Bay Packer fan because as are we they need some more weapons. They obviously need to shore up the run defense and I think what they're most important here is Aaron Rodgers has an entire offseason now to kind of take in and digest this Matt LaFleur offense Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers first year together 6 and 10. Yep second year together. I think you won 11 games that Jump from year one to year two just like the jump from a rookie quarterback to his second. You're supposed to get better. Now. The sophomore slump is real thing, but you're supposed to make your biggest jump in your second year Aaron Rodgers thinking about that offense digesting that offense things that worked maybe re watching film from the year. I think that's going to be a massive thing for this Green Bay Packers team get that offense little bit better a little bit more cohesive one more year under the system and obviously getting weapons on the offensive side. Yeah for sure. They also need to get much faster at linebacker. The Smith Brothers for all intents and purposes. They're just Edge guys like that, you know like Blake Martinez love him hard-nosed player smart. Thanks for your service. Thanks for your service. He's gone. They're not going to re-sign him. They need to get they need to get faster at linebacker. They need someone who can actually play in coverage and also be able to plug those holes. I mean you like you look at yesterday like you like we've mentioned moster was untouched. I mean just dashing them for and it's not like they were just running 10 yards at a time. I'm 12 years that it was 30 yards at a time 40 yards, but I ain't touched by anybody. They did a lot of work in the secondary and you know yesterday you couldn't really tell I mean obviously Jimmy G only through it eight times. But yeah, the the biggest the biggest thing is Rogers is getting older you can't spin that same narrative that they do with Brady and that they did with Peyton where it's just like you can have all these undrafted free agent and it's like well Rogers is going to make these guys much better. It's like granted he's good. But after team saw what Davante Adams He's doing it's like I was just put three guys on him Who the hell's Rogers going to throat. Oh Jimmy Graham. What's gonna beat someone well runs an 8-second forty one of y'all so I feel like Jimmy Graham is one of the most come see comes up players I've ever seen. He's just like one day. He's on one day's he's off right one day. He's on a plane one day is on a jugs machine. Exactly. It feels like there's no real consistency with the old Jimmy Graham and that's something that you're they're going to have to take advantage or take care of in the offseason need a tight end. That's a stud. Need another weapon there for Aaron Rodgers have to Sure up the run defense. You got to get better linebackers and maybe sure if the offense sounds like a lot of work to be honest with you a lot of work, but I think the biggest thing is going to be Aaron digesting this offense for the next couple months Matt Le Flore getting a chance to reflect on his first year as a head coach and as really an offense its second year as an offensive coordinator. I guess it's what now the floor is the head coach of Green bay leaves, Tennessee to become after one year of college. The Tennessee Titans offense got much better after it left. It did much much much better after he left. Jason Garrett was relieved of his offensive play called duties that offense got much better after did now he's the offense coordinator for the New York Giants. Yeah. Sure that's going to work out. Well, I'm sure this is the decision that's going to work out great, especially with Joe judge who's never been a head coach with a guy who's been a head coach for nine years in the division if there's any sense of trouble at all, their might I'm sure there won't be any conversation about Jason Garrett should be running the ship. No sir. That won't happen not I'm sure they're not setting ourselves up for failure. Now, of course, I'm excited to see Jason Garrett get back into the driver seat. So see what type of plays Calls but I feel like it's going to be much the same which is just a bunch of junk bunch of crap pour Sake One Port Port Dana dimes careers. Just going down toilet flush it down Conor McGregor knocked out cowboy Cerrone and 40 seconds. How You Like Me Now with a boot to the face. Connors hair wasn't even messed up. It looked as if he came fresh out of the shower right after that fight went right into his after party says he's ready to fight within the next couple months if need be before that fight. He even said, I think this one goes quick. I think this one goes quick, you know, and if it does we fight again soon. He said he's ready to fight your times this year. He said I think I think I'm ready to go. He wants to fight again. He's in a whole new. Headspace. Tony Robbins. I guess he's been Sports psychiatrist singing hymn good for Conor McGregor. Shout out to him. Welcome back. Dana. White said, he's probably gonna fight. Khabib next which I absolutely hate. I'd rather he fights Jorge masvidal for the BMF title. That would be beautiful. I think the hype for that would be real but if Connor loses the khabib not crates over for anybody and I don't think that could be fight can get as much hiked what the guy jumped over the cage want to fight it remember in a crowd good Dana White is a professional fight maker. I understand that but for me, you get him and Jorge montsum it all let's go ahead and build this up get him to BMF title. And let's see if Conor McGregor is the Conor McGregor of old. He said whenever he's last couple fights. He say wasn't focused. He was drinking the week of fights and things like that. He said he's back in to a very calm headspace where he's fully committed to fighting. He's already made his money. He's already done everything else he needs to do now. He just loves fighting in his entire team feels that way. Let's get him in there with her a monster doll. Then the guy that used to fight in Kimbo Slice his backyard Kimbo rest in peace. All right Mama silence. Kimbo was the man back whenever I was a kid. I used to use dial-up internet when I get on the internet and watch this guy. Just what his fist in massive upper body walk into somebody's backyard or Jam or whatever and just beat the hell out of them Jorge masvidal used to do that in his backyard when Kimbo Slice wasn't beating people up or being a bodyguard for porn. He was finding new Fighters Jorge Moss would always one of those guys he is an absolute Electric Factory and he's Already on record of saying Dana White won't want him to fight Conor McGregor strictly because he would kill him like actual homicide Conor McGregor. That's a pike. The world wants to see what we see it. Now who you see later Laura who knows Tom Brady was talking to Marc Davis the owner of the Oakland Raiders. Now the Las Vegas Raiders at that fight brought all the stars out. By the way, Matthew McConaughey was there Dave Batista was there Bilzerian my lost two billion dollars on cowboy Cerrone, if that wasn't that might have been fake could have been. Yeah, I might have been That might have been fake had to be fake there. I don't know what he was thinking. There's a lot of money. Anyway, the stars were out miles Garrett was there with a friend. Yep. Tom Brady that was photographed talking to Marc Davis and I've inside sources saying that they were talking for about 20 minutes down there. What could they possibly talk about? Obviously the talking about Tom Brady becoming the head the quarterback starting quarterback and possibly assistant head coach right for the Las Vegas Raiders. Jon Gruden would absolutely love to have the greatest of all time. His building such as good for the offense. It's good for everybody to see what it takes to be great. I don't think he goes a Las Vegas Raiders. But this is what Tom Brady has set up with his cerebral approach this year for every word has come out of his mouth anything that he is directly approached her connected to whether it's a photo in Vegas with Mark Davis, whether it's a trip to Miami or California or Indianapolis will stop by this conversation is going to start this speculations going to start and that's exactly where you want to be if you're T be 12. So in your opinion when something like that happens no matter What is said does that put pressure on these other GM's are they thinking like? Oh like the Raiders are in the lead right now. Like we fair is it morally anybody thinks our writers are in League? Because the season doesn't end until March right March nothing can happen, but they definitely see like and then in his interview afterwards where he's like, he's open to the process. He open to this. He likes he loves playing football not once in an interview did he say I hope I end up back at the Patriots, right? Which is all anybody was waiting for him to say was he hopes he goes back to the Patriots. He didn't say that. He said he loves football still has a lot left to prove. I think all these things are making people go Oh damn, he really is going to leave and I think that Mark Davis picture Tom knew exactly what he was gonna do Tom and Tom Brady knew exactly what that was going to do. I think I might have been the first one to tweeted out by the way shuttle Gumpy for finding that photo but I the speculation is real. What do we think about Richard Sherman Richard Sherman came on this show and apologize the baker Mayfield for the DAP gate that happened before the Niners played the Browns with an alleged missed handshake kind of, you know lack of Interest. So the conversation with Richard Sherman was one that one a lot of It weighs and went away the nobody thought it was going to happen Richard Sherman owned up to his mistake now with Darrelle Revis and Richard Sherman situation on the Twitter. I love this. This is what I live for. I live on the internet. I love whenever people start chirping each other and when it gets maybe a bit Petty, but what people have to remember throw realest goat there. Yeah goat business-wise on the field wise Revis Island wasn't just some catchy gimmick. That was a real thing. Talk to Bart Scott this morning. I have a field has just gone because they're all Rivas isn't covering. Somebody dare Alaska talks about whenever he was on teams as a backup quarterback their entire scheme their offensive strategy, which is leave off the side of the field to throw Revis was on he and Richard Sherman play two different styles. So the fact that Darrelle Revis probably got a little bit upset that at some point. They said Richard Sherman's greatest corner of all time because Richard Sherman proves it Richard Sherman is a stud on the field. He locks people down. He picks the ball off and magical situations. He brought an entire attitude to the Niner. So whenever people say this is the greatest corner of all time. I think Darrelle Revis takes exception because the route Rivas doesn't do TV throughout Rivas isn't the most relevant individual right now. He's kind of disappeared with all of his money that he's made an incredible investments in himself and other things but nobody people forget about sorority. So I think what throughout Revis was saying was hey put some respect on my damn name and what ended up happening was Richard Sherman obviously was the brunt end of that Richard Sherman is not somebody who's gonna back down like a bitch Richard Sherman's to here. I'm going to That about me old man basically and they got into it a little bit which I respect but both those players are Hall of Fame players, but those players have made their teams better and Richard Sherman's another Super Bowl. So he's got to feel damn good about it. Yeah, there's not a whole lot. You can say I mean both those guys, obviously you don't get to that position. If you don't think that you're the best ever Corners have to think that the best ever bright. That's that's a position where you have to have this ungodly like confidence about yourself because you have to react you have to be the most athletic person on a field and you have to think that A human that is being paid millions and millions of dollars to get open is a lesser athlete than you are and Darrelle Revis was the truth back in the day and I think people have forgot that and I think that's why he jumped off because he said he was sick of you know, kind of sick of people forgetting about how good to Rory his throat Rivas also was a punt returner for a while. He returned upon against the West Virginia Mountaineers that I was putting in and he shook 13 players somehow when there's only 11 players on the field. I wanted a mess before it I was the mystical number 10 the day. So I have a lot of respect for Darrelle Revis. I also have a lot of respect for Richard Sherman, but I like that they got into it a little bit. That's a beautiful thing. All right. All right. Hope you enjoyed Today's show. There's a lot to talk about. I'm bummed man. I'm legitimately bummed out not because I'm being followed around the house by Corgi right now named Chuck that you know shits and pisses in the house every once in a while, but because there's only one game left man. Another exit fell is right around the corner. which TBD but the NFL only has one game left and I appreciate all the teams and their entertainment all the players and coaches and the fans helped put on a hell of a show this year. I appreciate all of that and I'm excited for the Chiefs and the 49ers to battle it out down there in Miami. I lost the Super Bowl down in Miami. I lost one down there. Now granted nobody even knew I was on the team when we lost but I was there. I'm excited to watch the Chiefs and honors. Two incredible teams best teams. I mean everybody thought Baltimore was going to be there I did too. I did too little rusty. I think got him out, but I think whenever you talk about the NFC you talked about the Packers you talk about the Saints any talks about the Niners all year. Niners came out of nowhere what a fucking story defense has just been dominant. kind of Shanahan's big brain Has been operating at full force Run games on Jimmy G can make passes if need be what a team good for them good for the Chiefs to haven't been there in 50 years there Super Bowl and read that talented. I mean, I cannot wait for the Super Bowl. I hope you feel the same exact way. Go ahead and tweet me your predictions now of what the score is going to be first person that gets it right utilizing the hashtag Pat. I predict the score of the Super Bowl first person that gets it right Boston. Connor will come through these tweets and mentions using Pat. I predict the hashtag Pat I predict. When's the thousand dollars thousand bucks? You got a big brain tweet me that you get the score right here in two weeks thousand dollars. 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On today's show, Pat does a deep dive on everything that happened in this weekend's championship games. He breaks down why the Chiefs might be a buzzsaw that cannot be stopped despite the fact that they still shoot themselves in foot from time to time, and why Patrick Mahomes is so damn good. Pat also looks at the 49ers wire to wire domination of the Packers and why they are so special defensively, and why he thinks Jimmy Garappolo is more than capable of making the big plays that it will take to beat the Chiefs in Super Bowl LIV. Joining the show to break down both games and look ahead to the Super Bowl matchup is 2x Super Bowl Champion, former Defensive End/Linebacker for the Patriots, and friend of the show, Rob Ninkovich. Rob chats about his big takeaways from both conference championships, and why he thinks the Super Bowl will be a very tight matchup. He also gushes about both the Chiefs weapons, and the 49ers dominant defense and run game, and gives explains what he thinks the keys will be for both teams to win in Miami. Rob also gives his thoughts on the Darrelle Revis/Richard Sherman Twitter beef (17:52-33:57). Pat also tips his cap to both the Packers and Titans and looks ahead at what each team needs to do in the offseason in order to get back into the positions they put themselves in this year. Pat also gives his thoughts on the Conor McGregor vs. Cowboy Cerrone tilt, and why he wants to see a McGregor vs. Masvidal matchup next, plus Pat gives his take on what it means that Tom Brady was seen talking with Raiders owner Mark Davis and what that means for the other teams in the league interested in Brady. Today's show is chock full of football talk looking back at the weekend that was and looking ahead to Super Bowl LIV. Cherish it, we've only got one game left. Also stick around for your chance to win $1,000 by correctly predicting the Super Bowl Champion with the hashtag #PatIPredict. Come and laugh with us, cheers.

Hey everybody, this is Shane McCormick from the cheap homegirl podcast and on today's show. I have Jenna from Happy seeds project on Instagram. She comes on the show today to talk about common household tools. You can use to help grow your own at home. We both talked about how a new or experienced home grower can use these everyday items to better their Garden. This episode is perfect for anyone that is growing on a tight budget. Please remember to press subscribe. Tibe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grow podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine. The cheap homegirl podcast will also feature a timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast on today's show. We have home grower Jenna who can be found on Instagram at happy. Need project she is going to be coming on the show today to talk about the tools and resources around your home that you can use to grow your own. So Jenna, if you could could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the heart of the conversation. Hi, my name is genetics and I'm the CEO of happy seeds project Hafiz each project came about From my desire to help the medical community up here in Canada at the time for years ago. There was very little support for us medically who would like to grow and I can about to and decided that there need to be some resources out there and I've been successfully collecting resources to help. People with issues in growing cannabis growing just about anything as well as items like making temperatures and all those extracted my extraction methods that are coming very popular these days that don't require highly flammable substances to extract in your cannabinoids from your plant matter. Okay? All right, Jenna. Well, yeah. No, listen, not you know, thank you for coming on the show. I do appreciate it. But you know, as I said, let's let's get right into the meat of the conversation and really, you know, my first question here for your is I mean what you know what tools what resources can your average home grower use around the home to you know to grow their own. Like to use common household items the first being that you you see everywhere now is and you do looking at posts and so forth. Everybody's Into The Silo cups. Okay, so that would be the first thing you've put some medium in a silo cup drop a seed in there. You're starting. All right, you're getting there right? It's yeah it's exact. I mean I see that stuff on in store. It's tough but you know, I see those Silo cups on Instagram all the time and you know, and I mean they're they're pretty easy. They're pretty effective. You know, I mean, what's I mean what's wrong with a silo cup, you know, it's pretty pretty straightforward. Yeah, there's also in regards to home grow. We would look at it and you see this on all over the place in regards to the pH of your water and how important that is to the plant and a lot of the the garden issues that I see that people have asked me about always seem to revolve around. PH so it's always important to actually get a pH meter and believe it or not. One of the best places to buy one would be were you buy your home brewing supplies again? This is you know, we're talking about places where you what we nobody wants to walk into a hydroponic store because you know you get tagged and that's not a good thing. So, I've always been you know reluctant to go into these specialty stores because of that and I found that you know, you can buy a lot of things online. Of course, you know, the line shopping is also a gamble as well but things like okay so so now we're talking about pH so we managed to get a hold of a pH meter. So, how do Without buying all these fancy chemicals that they're selling. How do you deal with a pH? Well, you know, we're blessed with the fact that food supply in our food supply. We have lemons you thought that works. We have vinegar that works but you know things like citric acid to to you know, adjust pH. Okay. Yeah, of course, you're not going to want to use is that and let's say you're growing in Hydroponics where you're using all water you wouldn't want to use that because it loses its pH very quickly it off guess it's right. Okay. All right. Well, well, I mean, how would that how would that work and say soil? Well when you do soil soil the soil has its own natural pH buffer. So you really don't it's really not something that you need to pH water. It's You want to do that? Right? So yes, it would and citric acid is part of our our own if we looked at the life cycle of a cell citric acid is one of the chemicals that ourselves who do you know in in the breakdown of carbohydrates? Okay. So some citric acid is something that's very, you know, and it can be found at health food stores. Oh, yeah. It's pretty it's a pretty common right pretty common. But I mean, I'll tell you what though. I mean, how how does that work? When you're trying to figure out your your pH? I mean, I mean, how would you actually use it? Well you again you'd have to use it. You would have to purchase a pH me anybody is growing cannabis. It's one of those tools that are it is very invaluable it and if you can't get a meter you can get those pH strips, okay? Right point being is that if you're lucky enough to grow in soil that is perfect. And you don't see the usual things of that says that the plan is telling you I got a pH problem the plant of the leaves just don't look right, you know there there's also a yellowing and so forth. So if when you see those types of things you'd want to adjust your page and one of the key ones is citric acid. Okay. So let's say you're you're you're mixing a batch and you put too much citric acid. Well, you know again chemicals this is like what high school chemistry well put some baking soda in there sodium bicarbonate which is a base which is going to neutralize the acid. So so there you have from your pantry right to two items that are Really good for growing cannabis, which is citric acid as for adjusting your pH and and sodium bicarbonate which is also adjust adjust pH. And by the way sodium bicarbonate that the bicarbonate is very good for our bodies as well. But that plants love it too. It's not toxic, right? Yeah. You're not yeah, and you see this is part of like a holistic organic approach. Well, yeah, there's there's certainly no pesticides in you know in in that material for sure. Absolutely not. Yeah, you know, okay with their deemed safe for food consumption. So we're going to we're going to go with that and you know, we don't know what the regulations are surrounding that but I'm just gonna write get your stuff from reputable. Your sources like I wouldn't buy anything from my personally. I don't buy anything that's imported. All right. Yeah, so so for you it's all locally sourced pretty much. Yes, pretty much. So yes, yes, you know, I don't go in and Port items and and I don't and the things that I buy can be bought at any like home garden show it. There is you don't need any special material specialized tools and specialized Tremors and you don't you just need to love it enough to throw as much, you know, passionate as you can. Mmm, right? Yeah sure. I mean that you know, it's like Shannon enough. If you love The Plant enough then you know, you know giving you know, you should be able All to you know, learn how to how to grow in a very cost-effective way with with tools that are that are around your home. But Jenna with that being said, I mean we have Solo cups, you know, we have you know, we have baking baking soda or baking powder baking soda, right? Right, but not baking powder baking soda. I mean what I tell you what let's let's delve. Little bit there. I mean what other you know what other tools or common tools a a home grower can use around their house. Let's make a clear. There's there's it's quite different growing indoors than it is growing Outdoors. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. So so I'm I'm not I can't say I'm really good at growing outdoors. I haven't really done much of that because it's being so look frowned upon and in my section of the world, I you know this new grow season come, you know, May June July August that's it's a change, right? We haven't seen this before because Canada now in my section we can grow for plants for our own recreational use or some I'm a licensed I have A girl license bestowed on me because I have a prescription to use this product for those that which tells me because I'm a migraine sufferer. Okay. All right. Well, you know, I'm glad that you know, I'm glad that you have your cultivation license. That's that's certainly important for sure. Absolutely and and you know something I mean, I'll tell you what here's here is I guess. Three more tools that a home grower can use right and I just thought of these off the top of my head you can and the reason being is because I'm in the process of building my own space bucket, which is going to be a very interesting thing to do. But with that being said, right, I mean you can you can get or you know, you're most common homes. Probably have a bucket. Right. Yep, you have a bucket you are even if you probably have a power strip a bucket a power strip and extension cord a timer. I mean, you know most most homes have a timer. I know that I didn't actually well actually I did buy a timer online, but that's a believe that's not a digital timer and quite frankly. I don't really know how to use the friggin thing. So I I have a I have a digital timer which is a lot simpler to a you so I'm going to be using that one. That's just that's been you know, I've had that one for years. I you know, I used to put up Christmas lights and so on so forth. So I mean, you know, you have a timer you have a bucket or a couple of buckets. You have an extension cord. You have a power strip. I guess, you know, I mean and of course, you know to build sale. A space bucket you need duct tape, you know sort of fan should write some sort of fan, right and and you know, if anybody has say an old computer around and I actually found this out too late because I bought a computer fans which I mean they're not they're not very expensive. But you know, I think I bought I think for for I don't know like 15 bucks online, but if you have a old computer in your Home, right. You can just get a just get a just use that. I mean it's and it's essentially free and and I mean let's let's be honest with you. I mean this is you know, just turned 20 1919 most homes probably have a old computer, you know, so you can take you can take that. You can take that that PC fan and use that to grow your own. So it's a pretty it's a pretty simple pretty simple process or knots. I mean, it's not so much. Simple but it's basic and if you know what you're doing it is fairly simple or so. I hope that it will be so yeah, I mean that's what three or four common household household tools. And so I mean, you know, I mean, how about how about you I mean do you have do you have any more that you would like to Rattle off? Yeah these days you know that and it's been suggested. That you start making your own nutrients. For example. Okay, okay out of simple household items. And and the first thing is that the concept of what what is the best food for your cannabis cannabis? Oh, okay. So when you do your Harvest or Your deflating. All right, what if you just collect that stuff and you you you put it in a bucket and you put some water in it. All right, and you let it ferment. Hmm and it's picking up what we call Imo which is indigenous microorganisms those which are native to where you're at and you let the sport ferment and then you start using This on your plants. Okay. All right. Yeah, I've never tried that but okay. I know that sounds bizarre, but that's what they've been doing for for Millennia because you know, you can think of your plants as being cannibals. They they will devour the you know, whatever you throw at them and that in terms of nutrients and so forth and most nutrients you buy in the store where they where they soar. From especially things like kelp. Kelp. What scalp again. It's you know, you seek help me a little all over the place. It's just helping ground up or helping it in a jug. It's just alluded. It's the same thing. It's a fermented are all this stuff is fermented in other words predigested, right? Sure, and it's in a in a it. All comes down to what do we feed our what can we feed our plants that is beneficial to them rather than a detriment to them. I really it comes down to literally not we're not really not feeding the plant what we're doing is we're trying to create a an environment that would be inclusive to to the plant that it would grow massive sure. And that's that is Certainly doable indoor outdoor and it comes down to whether you want to use a natural form of doing that or whether you want to use a synthetic form of doing that weight, which is where we're at with going to going into a store that sells nutrients for plants and you know, the aisles and aisles of them General let's let's go back there a little bit when you talked about fermentation. I Um, how how long would you say the family's the excuse me? The fan leaves would have to for meant it would be probably depends on first of all temperature. Okay? Yep. Okay, and you know, you're let's say let's look at it this way if we add their processing step to it, let's say you take all those leaves, but I have a little bit of water and run them run it through a blender. Okay, and you leave it in. Jar for that's open to the air with with the cloth over it. So the prevent stuff from floating in there. Is this this this is fermentation. This is not aeration aeration is who I'm going to put are and aerate my that's a different form of so you get different microorganisms in a in a aerated solution versus a fermented solution. It's I've done done extensive research on making cheese. So I ended it and making kombucha and making all kinds of fear all kinds of yogurt and cheeses and so forth because it was just a hobby of mine. I wanted to learn how to do that because some you know, I'm like that. Okay. So rather than buying a bucket of yogurt, how do you make yogurt? So that's where it started. Well, how do you make feta cheese? But how do you make cheese in? General so, you know fermentation, you know, what what what kinds of bacteria and at what temperature to use, you know, those types of things. So that's that's where fermentation comes from it then that's the research I've done in fermentation. Okay, so so it comes down to how processes it is. So When we're going to ferment this cannabis, then it's going to need probably a month or two to sit there and basically spoil. All right. Yeah, right exactly spoil and you know, probably not smell very good. But but however that that, you know that soil mix that you have that self-made soil mix will probably be rich in nutrient and for the intake of your plan. I mean that Be I mean that will be great feed absolute in and you know that that's going to be very well. That's what I feed the soil which will feed the plant right? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's what we're trying to instill in people that I've talked to you about growing and I don't talk to a lot of people grow about growing because frankly everybody will always have the opinion there. Is this the best I'm not here to make those judgment calls. I'm only here to say. Hey, look what I'm doing. Does any of this make sense to you does it help you? If so great if not move on. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's right. I'm not selling anything for her. You know, I'm not trying to get anything. I'm just here trying to help people who really want to you know move away from using a lot of the commercial. Show fertilizers and nutrients and so forth on their plans. It's not healthy for them quality over quantity and especially mine is the medical community and they're they're very susceptible to any and chemical and and so for them being myself, I'm highly sensitive to chemicals and I just don't want to be around it can't touch it or want to smell it just you know just interested in more. More of a holistic, you know not to say that I haven't gone down the nutrients way. I have a bucket full of nutrients. Hmm that dumb slowly giving away to other people so that they can least start with with the caution that you will eventually want to wean yourself off of this because it becomes rather expensive. You're right. Yes. Yes, it does. But you know, I would I would caution to say that, you know, there's a reason why this podcast is called cheap home grow, right? I mean we You know, we figure out the most cost-effective ways of growing your own. I mean or are so I think you know, so yeah. Yeah, that's the n and I mean, you know growing your own newts and you know going going down that road that is certainly a very cost-effective way no doubt about it and using and using products around your home. That is a very cost-effective way. There's no doubt about that. And actually, you know when you just talk in there a few more ideas. Just popped into my own head and I don't know if you mention this one. But how about a thermometer, you know that you can stick in your soil and you know, you can check, you know, you can check. Well, I mean that man a so I'll put them you can stick in your say grow box and you can you know, check the the the temperature of the space that you are a growing in right? I mean, that's a pretty that. I mean that's a pretty common household item. Would you say? Yes, especially the ones The Have and you buy this and I bought mine off of Amazon they have these temperature it's a little box and although it doesn't do remote temperature you'd have to open but there are there's other you can use a meat thermometer, you know as well if you want it and I did take a look at your your grow box there and then I think it's fantastic. Oh, well, thank you, right it is looking very promising. And you know, I I want to see it working. I want to I've got to see that tester on you know, the right Yes. Actually I just yeah. Well, thank you very much. I do appreciate that and you know just as a shout out to my friends who have been on the show Vincent Petty and Eric Robichaud that is their box from the Green Goddess apply. They had one just laying around and you know, I I mean, you know not to get super person or anything like that. But I play hockey with with Eric pretty much every weekend and you know, he just says like hey man, you know, like I know you have a cannabis podcast. Here's my box. Check it out. I mean I had to do a few things to it, but it's in good working order and I am I am looking forward to germinating seed shortly in that box. So yeah, I mean it should be Be it should be fun. And in addition to that as I've mentioned on this podcast and others I will be building my own space bucket. So I will take in time. I would take my listeners through that through that Journey. So it you know, it should be fun. It should be a interesting experience. And yeah, I am I am really I am really looking forward to it with that being said, I mean, let's I mean So, I mean let's put our heads together here. I mean what I mean what other tools I mean there must be some other tools, right? I mean, how about I'll tell you what, how about scissors, right? I mean, that's a pretty I mean, that's a pretty common household, you know household to that that a home grower can a can of use. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely the you know, those heating pads. We all like to have every once in a while a slut snuggle with and the cold weather. Other mmm. Yes, you definitely you need one of those but but moreover if you're really serious about okay, you can use that as a go to go to but if you're really serious about it, then they have, you know, go to a pet store. They sell reptile heating pads with thermostats. Okay, that's essentially what a what a seat and an advisor anybody who is in the northern climate. That if they want to germinate seeds you need a heating pad, you know, I've tried it every which way you get only a the the pretend percentage of positive. It's like you're going from a twenty percent that this seed will germinate to a more than 85 percent just by the fact of heating pad really just just simple just a simple heating just a simple. Yeah. Now if if I was your boss. Hmm, and I was and I don't know if you're going to use the soak method or not. I don't II just I just make sure it might medium and everything is moist and and at temperature right if I would put it in that box. I'm sure that box is going to be warm, right? Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes, it will be right there. You put it in a tupperware container and in the darker, you don't this and you you put a cover over it and just keep warm and it right. Yeah, just keep it warm. We my my mind light cycle. It's going to be 18. Yeah, it's going to be 18 6, you know, which is you know, which is pretty common. So yeah, I mean that's you know, that's that's something that I am going to be working on. I have a temper engage in there. I'm going to monitor that and I mean, I you know, I like to shoot for around maybe like, you know, 74 75 76 in that in that range I suppose. Yeah. I personally would suggest you leave it on 24 hours for the for the germination just to keep it. Yeah, keep it even even temperature I noticed and this is another thing that we talked about in and around the house. You can take a old open bookshelf metal metal shelf, you know, those those storage shelves and you can transform that into a nursery by simply taking you know, those in mylar emergency blankets the oh, yes. Yes. You just you drink the drape it over the the and I found that over the years that the thing that kills my plants the Most is draft not really right in their in their infant stages. Sure, right and it seems to slow down the grow when you don't have a consistent temperature. So, you know after so many years of growing on a table with mylar sheets hanging from the ceiling I went and I I decided to purchase some some tense because I was tense these days are very inexpensive. Right and of course the being it's legal here and I already had my license over wouldn't wasn't that an issue for me. If they were ever going to track me that that was my observation was correct. As soon as I started with growing in a tent I was getting better and I tribute that too close. And environment meaning they don't have a lot of temperature fluctuation. The temperature goes up when the lights are on and the temperature goes down when the lights are go off. Right? Right sure, but that's fine because that's just like what happens in the outside so, you know, but the worry if you had a draft like you had it on an Open Table somebody opens up the door. It's like all of a sudden you got. Five five, you know degree drop bartender. Yeah plants just all why why are you doing that? They're not, you know, you gotta treat them like little babies, right you do until you put them in the flour and then it's like oh, how long can I get my temperature? 1917? Yeah bring on the purple. Right? Right. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you know, you are, you know, you bring up a good point about About you know having to baby having to hand feed your plants, but I mean, you know, that's just I mean that's just part and parcel about about growing your own. You know, right? I mean that's just the way it is, but I mean, that's but I mean, that's okay though. I mean there's there's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with what they're doing that in my humble opinion. I've recently gotten into again the the whole organic concept of Korean national farming and so forth, but I Nice that I can't do the large-scale stuff that they're doing. But but but that being said there are little pieces of that you can do and I'm going to tell you that like fortunately I don't have to do the parts with that. It did come with the worm castings and so forth. So so we're lucky nowadays. You can buy that stuff. You can buy manure. If really that's what you're you're planning to do as well. When you grow indoors, you just have to be careful where the source is coming from because you really don't want to incur any fly any any fungus gnats, or worst case scenario thrips which are pests that while once you get them. You're kind of stuck either waiting for them to destroy your Crop or you manage them with whatever means you can but you won't get rid of them. You'd have to just dump all your your soil. You'd have to just Purge your whole grow right start again tips or you get your your medium if you're doing an adoring book, that's where why people like Hydroponics because you don't need a medium and we're talking about real life Hydroponics or aquaponics use fish and so forth right through that, but but I recently, you know, I started buying items like organic worm castings, right and I've also used and you can get that as a said Home Depot. I've also tried out although I'm not a very big fan because I don't like the fact that were killing our peat moss beds. It's not sustainable. So I don't buy a lot of it. But it's there organic pro-mix right that that does that stuff is really good. They you know, I started adding that to my vermiculite Coco coir mixture that I've adopted using. I've tried all kinds of grow methods. I'm I'm I'm certainly I'm partial to what I've I've developed that works for me and I like the cocoa medium with some supplements of worm castings and organic promix because there's some good Imo's and those products that again IMO step for indigenous microorganisms that that I want to propagate in the medium because I don't because cocoa and Mika like they're sterile material. Mmm. There's nothing there right Roots sure how how am I going to roots without how am I going to make this plant without having some sort of and with that also adds that buffering agent which you know, your pH doesn't fluctuate as much so, you know, there's so many and and you know, everybody's got their own concept. That's my my concept of Super soil, which is the worm castings a bit of pro-mix thrown some Coco coir and vermiculite and there you have it. Right? Right. Yeah, you know something I mean you are you are mentioned Coco coir I have you because I have out of you ever heard of dr. MJ from cocoa for cannabis.com. Have you have you ever checked out his site? No. Yeah. Yeah, you should you should go there and check it out. Just go to just got a cocoa for cannabis.com. And you know, I know it's the second of this recording but you know, he is he announced his grow Challenge on the first I'm part of his growth challenge. So, you know go there and sign up. Absolutely. I made a mention of that. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a big fan the Hydroponics with pumps and airfare and so forth and constant pH measurement and newts and so Fourth that's some serious girl their hand people grow monsters. That way I'm looking for plants that are you know healthy and the quantities is substantial, but I don't want to put out all that effort and money and you know incur all those chemicals in my home. All right? All right, Jenna. Well, you know something we got a Amount of tools that we mentioned here now, I mean as a final question, this is a question that I like to ask everybody that comes on the show. Are there any questions or in this case? Are there any any home tools that we are missing and you have any any excuse me any final thoughts for the show put together put yourself together cloner? I would say it will save you a lot of time. All right, right, you know clock make loans learn how to make clones and there's no special gear required. Okay. Well, how do you I mean I just can be a separate show but can you give me and the in the listeners a bird's eye view of how to make a cloner? There's sure there's there's the method worm. What you would do is, you know, take your soul. My little cups filled with your medium right? Make sure that there's it's humid make your cuttings drop your cuttings into that it right into that soil right and Dome the the container and leave it closed for five days. And then after five days you start opening it up. You know more and more each day until the Clones, you know respond and you know, don't Wilt over right? That's right, you know, it's pretty simple. I mean, it's very simple and then you can get more elaborate with one of the DIY cloners that I've been playing with and the you can find that on my Instagram I've posted. Okay. All right. All right, Jenna. Well, you know, I think You know, I think we covered quite a bit in Today Show and you know, and and for you listeners out there, you can check you can check Jenna out at happy seed project on Instagram. I'm sure you know, you can send her a message ask her questions and also, you know everybody that is listening in you guys can send me questions as well. 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I was fortunate to interview Canadian home grower Jenna. She's been growing for many years. I've gotten to learn Jenna over the past few months and her knowledge about growing and genetics is unmatched to any past guest I've ever had. To say she's passionate about cannabis and it's potential would be a massive understatement. Jenna and I put together a list of common household tools and equipment any domesticated house will probably have laying around. A lot of these tools are basic and will help you become a better cannabis grower. At the end of the podcast, she also stresses listeners to make there own clones. She explains a simple procedure on how to do so.

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Panel will be here next week. Then. We'll all have the ER trinkt food. But anyway, what's up afterbuzzers? We are going to be getting into 24 hours to hell and back season 3 episode 3 and oh my goodness. Do we have a lot to chat with you guys today? So we're going to get right into it. But first let me introduce myself. I am thy one and only sub hailemariam and and I've got the awesome Mike thing. Yelling, what's up, guys? How you hosting with me today ever met another Sava? Oh, yeah, many many tons. I find no Mike's well, they're all from my country. Right? Well, actually, you know, what something is is a little bit of a universal name. You'll see girls from India with that name. You'll see girls from the Middle East with that name. It has many meanings and it's a still more unique than Mike. My joke went right over Savas head. What's up? Everybody glad to have you yet another restaurant in disrepair that I feel like we could have fixed right away our Elves yes. Yes. Okay. So we had the pleasure you guys of watching some sad things happen Okay, so we are going to get right into Ken a does. It looks like Canada. I'm not gonna lie when I first saw it kind of looked like Canada to me, but it's not because you're homesick. I am homesick. I am I am so we were watching kaneda's white Rooster Restaurant in New Jersey Toms River Toms River. They're ready to know. It's 24 hours to hell and back is really got a Jersey Shore theme going on this season. We've had two back-to-back. I think they're going to keep working their way down. Maybe we get Atlantic City. Maybe we get Wildwood. Maybe we get Wildwood Crest even so yes, we're back in my home state of New Jersey. Yeah for a Cuban restaurant guys it as you saw in the episode is anything but Cuban this look like some Posh upscale, but honestly pretty American generic food restaurant. I've been it was still beautiful, but it yeah, it definitely didn't have that. Cuban flavor Decor didn't match what they were going for whatsoever. And that's not at all everything the whole thing. I feel like about a restaurant is it supposed to attack all of your senses? So first visual right when you walk in then hopefully you're smelling something going around the other diners eating the stuff coming from the kitchen the smells and then of course finally The Taste once you actually get your food and so a restaurant like kaneda's which is billing itself as a Cuban restaurant is failing to me right off the bat. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah it definitely Definitely was and it doesn't help that Patty. The owner wasn't really helping with that. So I would say the biggest issue with this restaurant was the owner so kind of similar to the last episode that we watched. She just did not have this leadership role to her like at all. She was too busy trying to be a friend to everybody and that was not working in her favor. What did you think about her leadership skills, you know, I absolutely thought that they were lacking this girl. Didn't really want this restaurant right off the bat, right? So that's what we see. She you know, we learn a little bit later. I know you're getting going to get into it. Yes, we learn about her her kind of upbringing and some of the hard times she went through essentially. She owned a very successful empanadas little stands stall whatever what have you and I think her initial idea and taking on investment in a partner in Jeremy was to expand the Empanada business. Yeah, so she knew this really really well how to make good empanadas and how to be successful he fell In love with those empanadas. Yes instead. They found this empty building that was for sale. So Jeremy bought it up, you know with the investment and now you're going to have a restaurant which is way over her head. She's a young relatively young owner didn't have that kind of experience of running a whole restaurant in her background and I think she bit off more than she could chew right off the bat. Absolutely and I think that was the first problem was that she did not have any experience Running a Restaurant. The first problem was the terrible disguises that Gordon Ramsay try to go into it. Yeah. He's a problem. Once you got again, we find out the Gordon Ramsay cannot drive a car in America. He had celebrities this time in the back seat and Jeremy the investor going in to do the Recon as we know they love to do dressed terribly like mafioso just really playing into my jersey Jersey stereotypes. I am part Sicilian producer. Jonathan is part of talion. Oh, yes, no fun. And our stereotypes here. We're in Jersey went to do Mafia stuff. We got the dudes from The Sopranos are okay. Great. And you had they go in and of course, we're getting crummy food right off the bat and to me. I want to see what you thought of the food right off the bat But the saddest thing to me was that the empanadas which is like that's what Pat he's good at. That was the passion. That's what started the whole thing. The empanadas were bad. Yes, and that was really sad to see and they didn't have enough filling and that was the biggest complaint that Gordon Ramsay had and not Leave that by her portion sizes were really bad. So they had one plate that was like a squid dish and there was only like two little squids and Vincent Pastore. That's how you pronounce the last name. Yeah story Vincent was so appalled like it was like, what is this to eat this like little itty bitty squid and I think he's a made man him. Absolutely, you know, they're hungry they came to heed and lo and behold they have small portions barely any feeling in the empanadas burnt salmon, right? So they had gym is you know, this is actually really Interesting to me because the dishes that they had brought out for Gordon to taste and everybody that he had with him. They were traditional Cuban dishes but one of the dishes was called Jamaican salmon, I've never yeah, I don't know Jamaican salmon. I've never done a real Cuban dish like shouldn't it be called Cuban salmon, it could maybe it is I've never heard of it before interesting. You guys know we look at the Yelp reviews. We always do that at the end, but really interesting. It's in the Yelp reviews about the authenticity of the food before and after Gordon's renovation will get into that. That's right. So that was yeah that was really disappointing. But of course, you know, nothing beats when Gordon gets a little bit into the investigator roll starts checking out the kitchen. And of course it is a disaster. It's grossie. I mean Gusty once again, we say this over and over and over again Z and I have been saying it for two seasons now. A lot of the problems of these restaurants are very easily fixable clean the kitchen that I it's not rocket science, right? It's not like you need a complete rebranding of a restaurant to know to clean your appliances clean the stove every time, you know, Gordon's gonna be able to go in there, you know ripe his fingers across a little crevice or whatever. It is up there the nooks and crannies above the stove is going to come out with goop and Gloppy, you know, they haven't cleaned it for months and months and months. That's just ridiculous, you know, you can keep times and dates on food. We saw octopus that I think was the octopus that they serve to Gordon Ramsay was obviously way expired. It was August future. This is one of the first times we've seen the cameraman gag at it. We saw the lettuce salad basically liquefying itself that was disgusting. These things are really really really easy to keep track of and if your restaurant is failing, this is Surefire stuff. That should be you know, this is basic stuff clean everything and The food that you're serving isn't rotting. Yeah. Yeah Underdog okay standard business practices, but for some reason these restaurants and it's like, you know, you're going to be on the show. This is like the least you can do obviously, they don't want them to do that because then we wouldn't have a show sure. The funny thing to me is always the reaction when they see Gordon its immediate be like, yes. Thank you God I'm gonna get a bunch of free stuff and my restaurant is gonna be made over and it's gonna be fantastic. They always seemed so scared. So, you know, your restaurant is failing their you signed up for the show. Yeah. I usually be Up the best as we haven't had in a while actually this season especially in your the end of last season if I'm remembering right has been really really tame with owners as we were talking about before the show. This show doesn't get as crazy as Kitchen Nightmares or yeah Hell's Kitchen they Kitchen Nightmares you get a lot of owners who are very defiant. Yeah. Okay, not so much with 24 hours for some reason the casting departments, whatever they're doing. They're finding the right people. I love the people that are super indignant like know my food is amazing. No, it's not if Gordon Ramsay is there your stuff is terrible. Yeah. Just have to know right off the bat that something is going wrong. Absolutely been a couple exceptions to be fair where the food was good is just terribly mismanaged and all that kind of stuff but it's been pretty crazy how open and accepting a lot of these owners have been it is it is and it's really unfortunate to at the same time because it makes you wonder like why would you even get into the restaurant business to be? With you know, the I think your hash in there and then all of a sudden it gets lost along the way somehow you and I think you get muddy down. So for actually to your point Patty is a perfect example, she loves empanadas. She had a passion for it. It's a very especially I think in the Cuban culture that Community these empanadas. I think there was a lot of love coming out of that right a lot of love she's putting in and then she ends up with this restaurant and investors investors are a whole new level of stress. Us right Running a Restaurant is a whole new level of stress that she never had to think about before right. So you're getting further and further removed from making empanadas, which is what the passion was in the first place absolute bogged down in all that other stuff. Well, you know, it's interesting that you say, you know, you become stressed and you know you tend to care less but it's funny because I feel like what we saw out of Patty wasn't so much of a stressed out individual. She seemed pretty relaxed to me. Yeah. I mean the secret Right like when Gordon was showing everybody exposing everybody. She's you know hanging out with the staff Chillin laughing sure showing stuff off her phone. It's like really well. Are you that stressed out? Are you that hot and bothered because you do not show me signs of somebody who really cares and who was really fighting to bring the restaurant back up to where it used to be. So I just I don't understand Patti. I really don't you really confused me because then when she had her moment, I believe it was like with her. Her her friend or co-worker that she was confiding in her office. You know, like that's what I really felt for her. I really did I was like, oh wow like, yeah. She she really does care. But then you see what she's doing behind the scene, right or you know, or what was caught on the secret cam. Yeah. I'm sorry. This woman know with all of these owners not care actions. Don't match what they're saying, right? So you're never going to find it owner for one of these restaurants in these shows that are doing everything they possibly can. And like grinding away putting it all the hours on top of everything you're never are because those people are going to be successful right unless there's some intangible thing that they can't control the Gordon can fix right so she's maybe this is a no excuses, but this could possibly be the way that stress is manifesting itself for her and she's you know, mmm trying to stay away from it and go towards the motherly role and trying to de-stress by honestly. Just chilling and kind of not thinking about it. She's putting all these the stresses on the back burner so she doesn't think about it and that's how it manifests for her. Either way. It's not helping the problem. It's not solving anything. Yeah, absolutely. And that's a really good take on it as well as that, you know, everyone reacts differently, right? Everyone takes stress on differently. So yeah, you're right. Maybe that doesn't mean that she doesn't care. She just handles it and that type of away, right? But let's talk about her team. So her head chef Phil right now, we get Patty, you know, she's you know, not the best leader really relaxed chill and calm Not so much of a boss, but her team is a problem as well, sir. You know, we've got Phil who's supposed to be the executive chef, right? Fill Co case of even know basic like Chef lingo might fill that was crazy to me Phil is a perfect mirror of Patti because Patty was promoted into this restaurant tour position way before she was ready as Phil has been promoted into this executive chef position way before he's ready was essentially I but I don't want to put it down or anything or denigrated. I believe he was essentially a line cook or a sous chef or something like that and I think the position was open and she just kind of shoved him there right because again, she doesn't have experience in hiring people as we come to find out later. The executive chef is completely different now right with an actual professional person, right? So her solution was while Phil's here. So we promote Phil just as she's not ready. He's not ready and everything just suffers. Yeah. Yeah, and that was a very very sad to see because if we don't see the owner taking charge and we don't even see the executive chef taking charge that means the rest of the team is literally And useless the really sad thing about Phil is similar to Patty get a little bit lazy. He's not keeping track of the food. He's not cleaning we can see but he's not like a lot of the chef's that we do see on the show where they're lacking the skills. This is way over their head. They just are missing some of the motivation and some of the leadership this kid seems like he's got it. Yeah relatively together we saw when he goes and trains with Mary right Mary Gordon's expert that he's got Lot of potential he's doing the best out of all the chef's that are training with her right? He's still not quite there. He's not assertive enough, but that can be taught and learned over time that comes with a lot of you know Gusto and a lot of self confidence that he will surely gain as he keeps cooking more and more and more but the potential is there and he's in the skills are there. So that's a real big positive for this restaurant as opposed to you know, we've seen chefs over and over again get fired because they're just not good enough. They can't hack it and they become complacent. It's not the case with this kid. So absolutely I was optimistic, but that Yes, there is room to progress but at the moment very sad and you know, what else was really sad was the tear-jerking moment that Patty was telling us about so she was giving us a story remember on how 11 years ago. Her husband walked out on her on their anniversary. Who does that on their anniversary? I you know what I'll tell you who wouldn't do that us to any of you because we love all of you viewers. 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But you know what blew my mind was that you know, she did open up such a successful empanadas shop after her husband had left her not only a husband but we she had to sell all of her jewelry and stuff. She said just to just to provide for her and her family. So that's a lot of intestinal fortitude right there. That's a lot. She's got a strong person. She knows how to deal with adversity again. She's just too much too. Just over her head right off the bat with this restaurant. We know she was successful the empanadas and bananas Wow, Mike empanadas little me pockets and she could do it. It's just too much right she really needs so investor Jeremy dude really needed to provide like a manager or that should have been there higher. Here's a restaurant manager let her run the kitchen or something like that, which she's good at and let her learn instead of taking all this on and just kind of a recipe for disaster right off the bat. I just can't believe though that she's not as motivated as you would expect her to be because I find that you know, when people go through something very tumultuous or traumatizing, you know, it'll motivate you right it'll motivate you to be successful and to never ever return right back to that horrible state that they used to be in and I just don't see that motivation with her. I don't see that like desire that passion that fire like, you know what I went through something tough here I am I'm going to make this restaurant work and not only that but Oh my gosh, you guys I totally forgot to mention. So Jeremy the investor has already put two million dollars into the restaurant. What like what else do you need - I feel like she has so many, you know fires, you know lighting up her tush. I think it's I think it's just too much reacting. I think it's too much for her and she's too confused and it's just too much we see, you know, they go into the remodel and this as opposed to the first two episodes. Yeah needed a lot of remodeling because the theme of the restaurant and the look we're completely off, right? Yeah. So Gordon's team goes to changing it around to a Cuban look and style. We see with these beautiful colors and flare and she immediately hates the color right? That was so that's tough for someone to differentiate if you're over your head and you know, it's I think it's a you can't see the forest through the trees kind of thing, right? It doesn't matter. If you don't like yellow right you're running a Cuban restaurant these vibrant colors are kind of And that by Bandit having all your guests feel welcome and and just kind of get in that mood for the kind of food. They're going to take luckily though. She got there because the renovation was exactly what this place needed to get it back into the right field. Oh, yeah, it was gorgeous. I absolutely loved the renovations. Okay, as opposed to some of the some of the prior episodes where we really didn't see too much of a turnaround, right? This one was literally like night and day. Yeah. I loved it. What did you think of the renovations? I love you too. I didn't just like we said it. Is spot-on it's what it's what it needed. It's got to match the time the theme It's gotta match the food. I'm expecting to have it would be like having Italian restaurant and then having Japanese kanji all over the place and you know Chopsticks and stuff. It just doesn't I love both those foods, but they don't match up right that's not the sensory whole experience. I'm trying to get when I go to a restaurant. Absolutely. So yeah, they definitely nailed the decor. I couldn't be any more happier than that. That was definitely the Highlight for me. So now When they come back for the reopening not good. They took which was so heartbreaking. And this is what I'm this is what I'm talking about going back to what I was saying before about, you know, nothing seems to really be motivating Patty, right? You know, it's like she has all these scares all these moments were it's like listen, you know, this restaurant is on its riding on an extremely thin right like line. It's hanging off of a very sensitive thin. Thread and you know, you would think that she would you know, it would scare her into getting it together. Well this and it doesn't this is very very similar, you know, everybody who watches me on AfterBuzz here knows I'm just like a king of reality TV. I love the reality sub shark tank is when I favorite shows me to wondering if it's my favorite show that we don't cover on AfterBuzz for some reason but constant theme on Shark Tank is I don't want to give you all this money right or they don't invest in people who've already raised a ton of money because you don't have that fear. Don't eat the money ends up is like a safety blanket a security net and you don't have the fire when it's all your money online. It's Jeremy's money. So this fails and what you know, what's the real thing? So again, you see there's a lot of fires but in essence maybe not really because she's not standing to lose a lot. He's standing to lose two million. But what is she gonna lose a relationship? Right? So she hasn't put a ton of stuff into it. She doesn't even really have I mean her name is on it, but who's going to remember that like, it's not a big deal. She could all of a Can call any restaurant patties and no one know the difference? So I think that takes a bunch of fire out of it. Now what we see with the service back these guys, even though Gordon Pare down the menu, there's still a lack of knowledge. They haven't reached that the you know, they haven't really attain that level of perfection with the new dishes and we're seeing inconsistencies all over the place, but they did kind of finally see Patty step up which of course in the end led to Jeremy the investor saying, okay. I'm going to give you 90 days. I like this. They're going to take it piecemeal. Let's go. Let's do 90 days and see if we're able to make things go on the upswing in which case we can go another 90 days. So instead of just giving it he needs to take a little bit more control of his money. He's a major investor, right? He's got to get in on this and say, okay. I'm not going to just let you waste all my money. We're take this now I gave you free rein now. We're going to take a 90 days at a time and see where we're at. Making changes. Are you sticking to this stuff? Are you implementing? Otherwise sell it get the money back that you can and move. On absolutely, you know what? I really like that. You said that that was a really good point how Jeremy doesn't also seem to have like this kind of more of an assertive even aggressive leadership demeanor to him. You know, he seems also really easy going and kind of like, okay Patty. You tried your best good job. Yeah. It's like no, I'm sorry for me. I disagree with him giving her the 90 days. I think that was her Moment of Truth was the reopening of the restaurant, you know, the food being delicious in which it was he did say the food Good and water where was the entrees it was taking forever and one prop they messed up with some of the food in the kitchen and you know, Gordon Ramsay ended up throwing out like a huge plate of food. Like this is unacceptable. They know this was again the moment of truth and also where she needed to show Jeremy like hey, I'm worth it. This restaurant is worth it. I need you to continue to invest well see this we're running out of time as of but episode but I think we see kind of the changes as in the Post wrap up we see that is it Chef Lisa. I forget her name complete at least chef chef Lisa from the previous episode of blend on Main. There you go. She now works here some interesting the Gordon and start almost what I said, like if you're one of these chefs need to be whispering to Gordon. Like I really want to work for you. Somehow Gordon is assembling this little random team of people in New Jersey to move around. So maybe that was part of the condition. Look I still believe in you because of what our The past but we got to make some big changes bringing Chef Lee's in an experienced Chef who's going to do a great job on the line at great job as an executive chef. That's a really really big step. So I think that's probably something that Jeremy incorporated into his willingness to continue the relationship. We gotta get to the Yelp reviews because this is really big for this one guys producer. Jonathan is gonna bring it up for us on the screen real quick ding ding. Hey because this is one of the only times in the two seasons that we've been covering this guy's and Jonathan I can't see On the screen, but if you could please sort it to newest first right there if you have it in Yelps or we want newest first. Are you having a newest first? Thank you so much. The reviews after Gordon's renovation are at best par. If not, mostly worse. There's a reviews from before so after watching well, some of these actually are fake reviews because they actually never went there, but I'm seeing a lot of bland food or on the other. Out of that extremely over season food and then I want to find the one review that flat out said that. Before the renovation, it's okay. It's want he's review Jonathan from November 17th. Sorry about that guys. Thanks for staying with us, November 17 2019. I can't believe they're showing the old pictures. This place was great and classy before and truly traditional Cuban and they're saying that post the renovation Gordon kind of turned it more Tex-Mex than the traditional Cuban roots. Oh wow. We didn't get to see a ton right of the food, but I thought if someone went that deep I would hope they actually know what they're talking about and they call out a lot. I mean, I'm from Jersey they call out Hoboken which has some really good Cuban restaurants. He calls out a bunch of the other dishes. It seems like this gentleman one is pretty knowledgeable for as far as Yelp reviewers can go right and it's really really sad to see so I don't know a lot of issues with the service a lot. Of issues with the seasoning it's and we know that they did these Renovations around late October of last year. So hopefully by now they've been able to turn some of it around but not looking great now looking great which brings us, of course to our other special segment. Summer would you eat there? I would I would I would give it a chance. I went to I would I mean even though these reviews are a little frightening. I would give it a chance. Yeah, I would give it I would overall the cleanliness wasn't that bad, you know, it's always grows. But when you see this kind of stuff, you're like yo the restaurants you probably go to him probably be pretty grossed out if you want back in the kitchen to so, you know, whatever. All right. What about you? Yeah, I would write you trying. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Very wide range of I'm down with hole in the wall kind of places and the cleanliness and stuff seemed fine. Not too bad, especially outside of the kitchen. And yeah, I would be willing to give a shot especially for the empanadas. If you're deep frying it. You're probably killing most of the bad stuff. 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We head out to Tom's River New Jersey to fix up Caneda's White Rooster - a failing Cuban restaurant. First time owner Patty Caneda has surrounded herself with an inexperienced staff and an interior that is decidedly not Cuban. The staff sees Patty as more of a mother/friend than an attentive boss. Gordon goes into the kitchen where all sorts of nastiness about - old rotting food, dirty stove, and a horrific walk-in are not helping the restaurant get on the right track. Gordon works with Phil, the Executive Chef, on the truck to teach him some new skills and reignite his passion. Midway through the renovation Patty hates the colors Gordon's team are using to infuse her restaurant with some Cuban flair. We then find out about Patty's difficult past - her husband left her on their anniversary and she had to sell much of what she had to buy simple necessities for her and her kids. Surprise - the renovation actually make's Patty's Cuban restaurant look Cuban and of course she loves the change. Gordon has also upgraded the back of the house with new kitchen equipment. Although service was rough, Patty and her investor reaffirm their mutual commitment to their partnership and agree to run the restaurant for another 90 days to implement the new changes. Hopefully it goes well! Today's After Show Was Hosted By: Mike Thieling, Saba Hailemariam Follow us on http://www.Twitter.com/AfterBuzzTV "Like" Us on http://www.Facebook.com/AfterBuzzTV For more After Shows for your favorite TV shows and the latest news in TV, Film, and exclusive celebrity interviews, visit http://www.AfterBuzzTV.com --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hey everyone, welcome to the withering effect. This is episode 14. Today's date is September 17th 2019. I am Duds or Duds versus known everywhere else. You can find me. Oh, right. It's my turn. It's your turn. Yeah, I'm bank for sure. And today we're going to talk about some Minecraft. I totally lost it because I was confused. You said the 17th and I looked up my date and I was like the 18th because yeah, I'm like just past midnight. You just stop living in the future. You should stop living in the past. I can't help it. It's my comfort zone. Yeah. I mean it would be nice. There's this podcast is starting off great. Ready? Yeah, which is which is awesome. Yeah, what have you been doing this week those? It's been weird lately with Minecraft and stuff for us. I think yeah, I've done nothing Minecraft for like the third straight week. I fully intended on sitting down this past weekend and recording an episode because I have the inspiration and the plan but I had zero Drive there's a side project. I've been working on for the past couple weeks that Is a very huge side project and while not all of my inspiration, is there a lot of my drive is there? So, yeah, I don't know if I want to talk too much about it because I don't know if the project will see the light of day and might be embarrassing if that happens, but it's still very fresh, isn't it? Yeah, it's exciting is what I should say. So it has my full on attention even though I'm like, yeah, but I could be doing this and I'm being supported by. Bunch of great people when I do that, so I should probably do that. It's one of those things for your really really want to you want to do it. But you feel like you have to do some other things as well. I wish I could bring people in on like the mystery project and they could get excited as I am because like I shared a little bit with you and I got excited by it through the illness. Yeah, and it's like I wish I could bring anyone in but it would if it ever did see the light of day it would basically just ruin the ject for anyone who paid attention to the backstory stuff. Yeah. It's a it's a delicate thing, I guess. Yeah. Anyways, it's kind of annoying for the listeners. But yeah, maybe we'll match how annoying it is week guys. I want to tell you a secret but I can't that's what it's like for me right now. Yeah. Oh that's that's the worst. Yeah. What about you? What are you been working on this week? Well, I created a really cool. Well my my 3D printer and I'm being a bit. We just saw that that's in our Discord. You guys should join it. It's awesome. Yeah, I was I was really proud of that one. Especially because usually when I start painting things it completely gets ruined. Yeah, I managed to not do it was really cool. And I didn't actually play bit of Minecraft. I did some speed running time which isn't really interesting for videos. I did beat my record by like five minutes. Yeah, so probably won't upload it. But yeah, why not upload it go ahead and get your record up there even better. I could I mean it would be like two places but now I'm exactly Place 100 so I might wait a while until I'm like booted. Off to like Place 101 and then go back into the 100's again or something. I like nature Place 100. That's kind of cool. Yeah, you got your name on a chart. Exactly. Yeah, it's it's it's not much but it's kind of fun to do. Yeah, what do you say we get in some Minecraft news? You got some news about the snapshot. Yeah. That was actually well the snapshot than enough much interesting news. I'll go through it quickly because there were a few minor interesting points I guess but there are some interesting news this week as for the snapshot. They tweaked a little things and most of them will call just bug Smart an actual changes but campfires can extinguished can be extinguished with a shovel which I guess is kind of cool. Yeah like that like throwing dirt over it. Yeah. I need to know if you take a campfire out with a shovel and you have food on it. Does the food stay on the campfire? Ooh, that's gonna die. Well, yeah. Yeah goes up. That's a neat little trick with the water. Mmm. So what else Farmland yep blocks that can be manually placed on Farmland without turning it to dirt can also be pushed by a piston without turning the farmlands back into their that's sort of more seems like a big facts than a change. But yeah, I don't have any blocks that can be placed on farmland and not change it to dirt things. Like what don't things that I close stone blocks work? Oh, Maybe half slaps. No, because you will place them on the bottom part. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, well, maybe 100 maybe if you have a her hops lab. Yeah, but you can place that on there. Could you I don't know. So just wait a week. I'll mango will turn this into some crazy super fast Farm using this one tactic. Yeah. Sure. Yeah boats burn a bit longer. Apparently, they didn't burn mom and now they'll burn a bit better Burton a bomb. I mean, it's kind of nice. What is it cow sheep specs chickens wolf llamas and horses. They have like a small percent chance to spawn babies when they spawn in groups and stuff. The there's a small chance baby. So spawn apparently. Yeah. I thought that already happened that they be they just always sort of spawned as I was getting near them or something. Yeah, never noticed this before and probably will never notice it again. I mean, I know polar bears had like the Baby polar bears that would spawn but yeah everything else. Yeah to me. It just seems old baby foxes spawn and yeah, actually no did you say it? I don't think I've actually ever seen my baby pigs in a while, but baby baby chickens. I'm not sure baby. Llamas are might have seen something. I've seen paper. I don't know we play on a multiplayer server. So you can't tell if someone's throwing chicken eggs everywhere or Breen animals and your bases and stuff when you're not playing crazy. Yeah, this annoying ones like that. Yeah, totally new always throwing eggs everywhere. Yeah. Oh and almost one more. Thingy which also seems like I don't know. I it's for advancements and it's related to item. I'm just kind of read it because I'm not sure of all the words item free decade and advancements now makes a distinction between excellent ailments and stored enchantments like the worst storm in a gentleman books. I'm not fully sure what that all means but I'm guessing that it checks better whether you have actually an adjustment on my weapon or it's some not a weapon or something. Yeah, I don't pay attention to the advancements. Like I don't like I know a lot of people who will grind out the advancements and all that stuff. I don't I don't pay attention to those at all if it happens. It's like oh, yeah. I wonder if there's like an advancement that says, oh you need mending on a helmet or something like that and you just pick up a mending book and it goes oh Hey, you got it. Yeah, and it's like no I didn't it's still on a book. So now it knows it's not on the helmet. It's on the book. Yeah, I don't know I guess I understood it. Right. I mean it seemed more like a big fix again and actual change. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm feeling. This is what they've already come out and said 115 is the bug fix update. So, oh that's true. I kind of forgot about that. I mean, they're nice little tweaks, I guess to me. Me get my FPS higher. I want this game running smooth. I have a decently Beastie computer. It shouldn't run like a seven year old computer. Yes, the S is always a bit strange with Minecraft. I feel ya like there is a way to sort of control it but you can only control it between like a few hundred FPS which is strange obviously. Well, I can say if you won or time. I know there's a lot of people who don't yeah. It's have mine out at 200. I don't let it get above it just because I don't really see the point of it. But when I'm tapped out at 200 this piece you should easily be able to do that. But when I'm in my base, I stay in like the low 100's which is nothing to complain about for sure because we have people on the server playing under 30, and I don't know how they do that. Yeah. I mean if it's dirty you can sort of notice but as long as it's above 60 or four the even yeah, you really don't I don't I just let it run wild though. I don't kept it. It's like just do whatever fine. Well, I see I noticed when recording, I don't see the frame changes as much unless there's a giant jump. So if I have late leave it uncapped and it hits 400 and then it drops to 130. I see that in my screen and in the recording so okay. Yeah, I kept it at 200 so there wouldn't be giant jumps all the time. And I don't know yet. Basically to make it more stable. Yeah makes sense. I guess my turn with the news. Yeah so out today their biome vote for Minecon came out finally and it's yeah the leftover ones from last year, which we just nice. I think I was kind of excited about that. But now I'm just like hey, I really wanted that Savannah update and now I can't vote on it this year. Okay. So the biome is getting updated our mountains Badlands and swamp. I have a feeling that Badlands and swamp will be the two that get to the finals. I don't see mountains going very far because it's mountains to me is too much like Tyga. I feel bad Lance. I don't know. I I've never really heard anyone say like well, I like the Badlands was yeah, that's the other thing. No one likes Badlands the only once once in a map hear someone go to the band Le the Badlands and it's just to collect their Arcola. Yeah, maybe that's why people will choose it but I feel people are not gonna be Really really? Well, how do you say it inclined to pick that Lance? Mmm? I'd like to see mountains personally to be honest, but I hope they can elaborate a bit more on what they're actually Gonna Change. I want palm trees in Minecraft and I still don't get a bio on the has palm trees in it. I mean Batman's good work for that maybe a little bit. Yeah. I don't know if they're going to introduce any new tree types or anything like that. Obviously, they didn't do that with Tyga so I doubt they do it here. But I don't know to me. I we had this conversation earlier. I felt they should have waited until they had videos prepared for all three. Yeah. Well, I was just really I was excited when I saw like we can see what the map or what the biome folks just gonna be and then there's literally no more information than just saying which biomes which kind of disappointed me is like give me at least some information or a little I don't know. Give me something. Well, I mean they said check back later, which obviously means they're going to stagger the video releases throughout the week. But I hate when people do that. It's like rip the Band-Aid off man. Get me excited for an entire week. Don't get me excited for one day. Yeah, I mean, I guess it makes sense to sort of hyping maybe for the coast next week. I think well in like ten days. Yeah, it's getting right. So weirdly 10 days for Minecon. Yeah, so the probably just typing it. So more people watching stuff but speaking of Minecon. They've got the community panels for Minecon announced. How do you like that transition? That was awesome. Oh, yeah. That was a smooth one some move like butter. No one would have noticed if you didn't mention it. Well, that's why I had to mention it Praise My transitions. Yes. Anyways, okay. So the Minecraft panels I'm going to go ahead and list out the name of all the panels and then I guess we can talk about the ones that really interests us. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. If we don't talk about one you guys are interested in let us know in the comment section or in the Discord and we'll go back and we'll do some research and we'll talk about it. Next time. We promise. Yeah, so the pedal is our crafting experiences game design in Minecraft. Diversity three created for the community side craft presents how automation can enrich your game experience how we craft secrets of the marketplace partners and then hermitcraft much better together. Now out of all of these the ones I'm interested in are the crafting experiences game design. I'd like to hear from people working on the game what they've created sigh craft how automation can enrich your game experience. Just because those guys are Redstone Geniuses, but also I think it's interesting topic. Yeah, just it. Oh, yeah, finally, I really like the hermitcraft people. So I hearing from them is always fun. Hmm at the marketplace Partners. I don't want to like I don't want to rub them wrong because obviously those guys do hard work and stuff. But to me it just kind of feels like Microsoft pushing a hey, here's some stuff you can buy Bye. It's like yeah, so it's said the console version right that after marketplace where you can buy skins and such its own Bedrock. So that would be right Windows 10 Edition or whatever. Hmm. It's I mean, it's too far away for me. Really? Yeah. Like I said, I don't want to like the idea of that Marketplace. Yeah, and I don't want to discredit anybody who posts on the marketplace because obviously you've got to be doing something right? Yeah people are willing to pay money. I like your stuff so kudos to you guys, but it's not something. I'm really interested in hearing about but that again it's just my opinion sighing craft. I'm super excited about because I want to automate everything and I wonder if they'll talk about ways that prevent leg and stuff like that. I doubt it because it's like raft but well, I'm also curious and how they because obviously they got to be doing other things than just I do. Amazing things. Yeah, how they well they talked about was because obviously they talk about automating with more than just Redstone, right? So to me, that's what really piqued my interest. What else are they doing to automate stuff? They also have psycho off. That's mother, isn't it? I don't think it's modern. Okay did today by any chance also have a modded version of it or something? I don't know. Okay, because I did I mean I'm not watching them that much. Yeah, basically I tuned in whenever there's a new Farm exploiting new mechanics, but I sometimes like to watching some videos or fill mango doing crazy stuff ready and I saw some things that definitely And be done with vanilla Minecraft, like placing blocks of dispensers and stuff and he would build automated total making machines and stuff which we didn't just dig out the tunnel, but also just build it. Yeah decorated tunnel. She that's why I thought that might have been shy craft, but I guess I was wrong. It may have been I don't know. Hmm. They do some crazy stuff over there. They do crazy stuff. Yeah, it's cool to see but I'm just also interested in. What not let Stone they do Kinda Yeah. I've not seen much of that if they do it at all. Like maybe they don't. Yeah, maybe they're just talk about water streams and they've tricked us all that would be funny. Yeah, and then you have hermitcraft and that's an obvious thing about playing together nicely. We talked about this on 12b the flip side of our chat with Nina and how you should play nicely on a server. Or somebody will make a new server and take all your friends. That is a possibility. Yeah, but not a serious note to me. I wish they would get rid of all the fluff before the update announcement and just put these panels in front of it. That's what I want. I'm not following. How do you mean so of all the fluff? Minecon is an hour and a half? Right? Right. They don't talk about the new update to the last 20 minutes. So for an hour and 10 minutes it just a bunch of random stuff. No one really cares about it kind of feels like they're just there to entertain kids. Oh, right. Yeah and instead of having all of that, I would rather have these panels because to me the only people who are tuning into a livestream are people at a much older age. I would I mean basically not people who would be entertained by some of the stuff they do so you could make all the stuff you would what I call fluff before the announcement and to you too. videos instead of making these panels into YouTube videos All right, because all these panels are just going to be individual videos on their YouTube channel. It's like well, I would rather you guys play the panels before the update then watch somebody do some crazy science project to make a dirt block or something. Yeah. That's a good point. Although I think you also made a good point by saying like they like probably getting the younger viewers as well. Yeah. They probably don't want to listen to a lecture. That's To which I mean, I don't mind that like I like listening to people sharing their ideas and stuff. But I guess when you're young let's say the age of 12 or something. You're all day. It's cool that it's all you do already I can imagine they wouldn't like that. Yeah. All right, I guess that it's it for the community panels. We've got a link for that should be in the show notes. We have a link. For the biome vote that's going to happen it by the announcement video or whatever also in the show notes. I'm sure they will Carl's got this he's all over it. Yeah, he does a good job in that. Usually. Yeah, we did have a listener comment from the Discord this week. So thank you guys so much for joining the Discord. We actually have people joining in and it's really nice because that's our preferred method to talk to you guys because it kind of puts everything in one place for us. We don't have to go check all these different websites to get comments and stuff. But anyway start actually goes quite active this week, which is nice it did. Puppy pictures I posted well pictures were posted questions were asked. Yay. Anyways, so C-3PO one of our newer members joined in and was asking I would be interested to hear your views on the Minecraft Community the different sort of factions. We have like Builder, uh, see modded Etc The Good the Bad the Ugly what parts of the community keep you coming back to Minecraft? Yeah, we should hmm. Well, I might be worth mentioning. That's he was at Monona on a server for a while. So yeah recognized a lot of the stuff we talked about and also 12. Yeah wealthy. I think those are interesting questions some of it. I don't think we have that much like we don't really blame all the both of us. So that's not something we can talk much about sections. I'm not sure if I'm older than all but I smelt really played that either I think factions is more PVP based. So my gripe with modded I always like to tease them and it's kind of half-hearted because there are different kinds of modern players, but I always tease them and say they're just hoarders because that's all modded really gives you as in more ways to store stuff. I love it. I feel like yeah, but it's not fully true in modded to me. It's just I can't go learn a whole new version of Minecraft when I'm still learning. Earning a lot of what this game has now. Yeah, that's what I have as well like the Krause knowledge. She would have like, oh, I can't cross that in vanilla Minecraft and you sort of forget what you can do in normal Minecraft. And then right. Yeah sort of hopefully playing two games. I'm not yeah, I would get confused. I think to me. I don't like faction groups or PVP years. I feel that they're the more toxic of the community and the fact that literally they just complain. I haven't seen one not really complain, but maybe I'm just being mean and spiteful but the whole especially when the combat update happened and the complaining that they can't spam quick anymore. And that's probably clicking was a talent. It's like no spam cooking is not a talent that when most of you guys are using Auto clickers and hacking and stuff. It's like no now if you can do that style of PvP with the 1.9. That's a lot of skill right there. Mmm being able to tell shots and Shields. And yes, that's actually where I think it gets interesting because I did obviously do some PCP. I agree and a lot of the places it's people just complain like I wanted one point. They just want to spam click. Yes. I can't really see the appeal. I just don't see it to me here to bring. Bring back this bam clicking. It needs to be a new weapon like a spear something that doesn't do a ton of damage but allows you to quick-strike left and right now needs to be a way to sort of have your own style. Right right with them clicking. There isn't much Beyond like the only thing you really need to do is just click as much as you can and aim right basic Ray. I mean, there's a little bit more to it. But you know, that's kind of the basics and now we already have to sort of dying. Alright, so you can use a shield. You know that this yeah. I think it's more interesting. Also, there is like a whole part. Sort of that anarchy server, I guess where it's there is no rules like do whatever which is obviously a massive amounts of cheating. But yeah, everyone does it which levels the playing field right and that creates his own sort of interesting style of PVP and and not just that but gameplay it's sort of a constant pressure on you. Like you have to be careful where you build a base even because people are gonna try and find it and Well, it's not probably going to stay up after that. Yeah, which I think has its own appeal, but I can definitely see how people wouldn't like it. But I think there's that there are Stephanie PVP areas that are different than the well the spam clicky complainers. Let's call it that I guess we'll see in PvP is just not my cup of tea so I don't go looking for so all they ever see or the Highlight clips and there's usually always some young kids screaming that 1.8 was the best version of Minecraft right won't go any later than that. It's like but did you give the other way a chance? Because to me it's more. I don't want to say realistic in a blocking game because it's very hard to paint realistic but not many people can hold a sword fully out and wave it with their wrists for five minutes, right? Yeah. Yeah that ties in with uh sees I don't do uh sees because one I'm not a good PVP or into PVP doesn't interest me. So I don't really feel the need to get better at PVP. Uh, he's are crying to well rare as well. I guess. Yeah. Well, there's a lot that I know a lot of them have like rules which I'm not a big fan of I like it as vanilla as possible. Basically. Also, I usually just try to be alone or like to be alone, which usually doesn't happen in unity people want to be in teams and I fully get that. At yeah, which makes it a bit more tricky to join in somewhere. Yeah, I think we covered a lot of the ugly the good people like El mango and the hermitcraft community who I feel play the game the right way and constantly lifting other people up like hey keep working at it and stuff to me. That's one reason. I keep coming back the ripple effect has a ton of great members who are very supportive. So Always great to find a server that has that. But other than that, it's I don't know how to explain it to me without the inspiration everything kind of falls down. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. A lot of inspiration comes from just having nice other people around but that's where like adventure maps can come in because if you play adventure maps, that's somebody else's inspiration that could Inspire your inspiration on vanilla or modded or whatever you play to build or maybe you just don't like to build you like storytelling and so all you do is the adventure maps. That's really cool. Hmm and there are some great adventure maps. I actually played a few of those and they make really well not just beautiful Maps but good stories. Well fun maps to play at least. Yeah. Well we did that when knocks crew flight one. Yeah. We did the flight game. It's a quite a while back ago. We should do that again. That was fun. That was so rage-inducing. Well not that one does something like it. Yeah. It's a lot of fun fun adventure maps. Yeah, there was Okay, but C3PO. Hopefully we answered your question. Yeah, it was a good one. Yeah, I like the question. It's definitely it sticked with the topic. We didn't really go for that part. Yeah, so if you guys have more questions drop them in the Discord, like I said or tweet them at us because at least it will like slap Us in the face and tell us there's a message there. Yeah, this court is probably the more reliable placed. Oh, yeah because you have for people watching out for that question. Yeah, and also I pay attention to this court with her all that much. I mean I do but not much. I'm not very active Twitter person. How dare you not tweet me 24 hours. I'll tweet you. I'll do it one day where I just tweet you every hour. I like status updates. So please don't actually sounds like a fun idea. I'm gonna do that one. No cheese. Look what you guys did. I'm blaming the listener we ate is it a day of annoying that welcome to tweet day where Bank does nothing but tweak Duds pictures of his food. I'll do it on your birthday. Oh, please don't I like to enjoy my birthday. Well, I mean, the funny thing is you would get a ton of messages from like family and friends and stuff and I don't believe that you would get spammed with I like that idea, but my family and friends don't tweet me because I know my real name and phone number. And I destroy well. I just don't know your phone number. I told them about my Twitter and they're just like wait, you do what? Nah? I didn't that's true all they my son. He doesn't even know about the whole YouTube thing. Anyway, yeah my family knows and they're supportive. But when I bring it up at the dinner table, they're just like man, it's like okay. Yeah. Thanks. I know. I know my my family would I mean they would think it's fun because they always like to see me make stuff. Yeah, I think my brother would just get really annoying now, which is the main reason why I'm just not seeing anything. I just don't want him to get annoying not in a bad way. Like you would really like it because he's played Minecraft himself as well like a really long time ago and he's mentioned that a few times to me like, oh you would like that. Yeah, yeah. Well, they found it interesting because like I was building computers on their dining room table, right like oh, well, that's really cool that you're putting a new skill together building PCS and stuff. What are you gonna do with it? And I'm just over here playing Minecraft. Did it - like wait what you needed that beefy computer to play that it's like no I needed it to render the video. I'm making while I play right? This is the old meme thing as well, right? But like a beefy the beefiest PC you can do and then it's to just play Minecraft. Yeah. No my old computer played Minecraft just fine. I was getting pretty much the same frame rate, but for a 25-minute video it took an hour and a half to render with this computer. It takes me 25 minutes to render right? Well, I'm also if you start using shadows and stuff, that's really that really asks a lot. I see I can't use shaders because because you know what I'm playing Minecraft I have view bobbing turned. Off because I'll get motion. Oh, right and a lot of the shaders have that really bright sun right well and it just makes me so sick to my stomach squeaked out a lot though. Like I know there's two big ones where I've played around with those you got what is it sus and then another one which is similar but not as intense kind of forgot what it was. But you can tweak those settings a lot to sort of adjust the lighting and how you like it and all that. Hmm. You you might want to give it a go. Yeah see, I mean if you can be both are reading. Well, like there's a couple of YouTubers I watch it's mainly the YouTubers who don't play Minecraft who are new to it and they're like, well, I could throw shaders on here and now I get a good looking game and stuff and it's like, yeah, but you're just throwing a bunch of stuff at the computer hoping something sticks and Good or trying to make a really bad build look good and just like right but then you have somebody like Corrales who knows how to build and knows how to build. Well who's playing with shaders on the season with hermitcraft and the shaders Don't Force good-looking stuff. It amplifies good-looking stuff because it's just little tweaks and it that's what I always try to aim for just to keep to keep it Minecraft and yeah, but looking like Minecraft, but just I don't know a bit fancier. Yeah. Yeah, like you say if you change the game through much like also it gets it gets the same effect as having a texture pack like you build something and it might just look completely terrible for someone else who doesn't have it. Yeah and especially playing on a server. I kind of like just being sort of having a neutral things are going on. So it doesn't leak it looks good when you don't have any modifications, yeah, but speaking of texture packs. I want to go on a tangent if as If we're not already on a tangent because trust us this was not a topic that we have written down didn't know but this kind of fits in with one of our topics with the block pallets right textures. What if you could choose a texture to change hmm? What texture would you change and how would you change it? Oh, that's hmm. There are I think there might be quite a few actually. I would like to see gravel. I'd like to see a bit of a change on that. Hmm. It's it's a bit. I feel it's a bit of a messy texture. Yeah, and I think it could be a usable texture like taking make it into something that makes it I don't know. I think they can make it more interesting. I mean, you're kind of catching me out of the blue with it if that's even a way you say it so that was strangling sneaked a short of think quick about as well what else you'll always has been a bit of a weird texture to me. I I really like that it updated now though who I might know that I've paid a lot of attention to the new will well, they fix the colors a couple of days ago and they kind of I don't want to say dulled but it's not as busy as it was. All right. Well, they always have that sort of wavy texture in them. Yes, I did. I'd like to I don't know. I don't know. I think the carpet shouldn't have that wavy texture on them. Yeah, I think they should be a little bit smoother. I'm good with a little bit of wavy texture but a carpet block because how many times you walk in a room and you see your carpet with lumps. It doesn't happen a lot. So for carpet and Minecraft shouldn't have lumps but I would change another brick. I was just going to say Netherrack Sol you went from that'll break deeming the reggaeton that'll break or wet. That'll break or just not a break in another brick in general. Want to do because everyone's doing this on their texture packs and turning nether brick black. I'm not a big fan of that. Really. Mmm. I've not diet because obviously if you do it to your stuff other people aren't going to notice it and I might not look correct. Yeah, but I it gives more color with stairs slabs and fences and stuff right feel we feel we already have read another brick now that you can make out of Nether wart and stuff. Hmm. So it's like I'd like to change the Rhett another break it goes. It's it's all red like the spots in between. The stones are red as well. Which I think is a bit weird. Like they should have a little difference at least like the normal breaks. Yeah, the clay ones like you have read breaks and then the gray infill Parts the cement I think it is. Yeah, they should start doing that with the Another brakes as well. I think turning it black. I feel is an easy way out. Yeah erase like I'll change my texture pack. So it's it becomes a block that I can use everywhere, which I'm not a big fan of I'm not really a big fan of the purpley color Rider, but that's mainly it's hard to build with it. There's nothing really that matches that color. Turning it black though. I'd like to change it but I don't know I could see where you're coming from the blacks. Nice though. Don't get me wrong. I it looks good. I'm trying like it throws when you think also I would change. I mean the obvious ones are get rid of the wavy lines on the glass. I don't know why they I mean they moved him to the corner now, right? Everyone's first thing they do when they load Minecraft is Get a texture pack that has clean glass except for me except for bank because he's weird. I didn't know I never really liked full clear glass. Yeah. Thanks Sue's I'm trying to record a podcast here and she's just over here snoring her brick or brain out. I hadn't noticed but well, I just sit there and I'm saying the recording it's nice and soft and then it's like what the heck was that? Awesome? I mean she's got to be in the both gasp. He's still Bruce always in there. Yeah. Okay back to the sketch. It was a nice little tangent. Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of other blocks. I would change other than like earlier you talked about the season watercolor. I'd like yeah different colored water more. Hmm. It's their dishes at their stuff. Yeah well and they had it more. I don't know they seem to play with it a little bit. Yeah. Anything else? Oh, I know what I'd like I'd like wooden buckets. Wouldn't buckets. Yeah, that's kind of an item sense. But I'd like I'd like to be able to make wooden buckets that you could actually sit down kind of like share now that we owe ya I was going to say especially since we go barrels now as well. Let's see. Yeah. Uh, yeah wooden barrels are wouldn't wooden bucket should be nice. Let's just stay on this kind of topic go ahead and hit the block pallets will save our next topic if we have time to join us. Yeah, we'll save it for our next episode. You did a lot of work on that other one, so it's a good topic to have but if we don't have time, I'd rather instead of cutting it short. Let's save it. Yeah, so filling up the time quite quite a bit. Yeah, we're afraid we wouldn't we would struggle with time but yeah, you know tangents happened and Duds talks about random stupid stuff for 10 min. We totally didn't calculate in like the tensions. So yeah our time time calculations for well, we didn't it. Sounds like we plan a lot. We don't I think that's what makes it great is that we don't plan a lot like we have bully do but we don't yeah. Okay. So you're working. Yeah main topic was going to be blocked palette tips, right? Basically how to build with different styles like modern and medieval. Mmm yada yada yada, and I thought that's where changing blocks. Cool for me out when I plan a block pallet always comes down to okay. What style do I want to use right you have that's obvious. What do you call this time period present time period you have the ultra modern style and then you have the medieval style medieval will always give you the most options. It feels like Minecraft or design with medieval in mind. Yeah, I feel like yeah, that's definitely an easier style to build and I feel like you got more options. Yeah concrete helps a lot with doing modern nowadays. Yeah, it helps a lot but it's not. I don't think it helps enough, right? But I've always wondered if I'm just not really good at doing the modern style like my general preference and things just usually more the fantasy medieval kind of style. Yeah, so maybe I'm just way more familiar with that then the kind of model run a futuristic stuff. Yeah. I have a feeling that my next few bigger builds will be more modern because that's the style. I've always kind of levitated towards MMR gravitated. That's probably the better. Word. Yeah, but I stayed away. I was like, I'm Really Gonna focus on building medieval this past season Ryan. I've done it. I don't think I'm very great at it. I definitely think last season's base was a better version of this kind of style but it didn't turn out bad. I grew as a builder and I'm happy with that and actually lost. Oh, sorry. Yeah. No you go ahead and I was going to say lost not by actually building. A sort of modern. Yeah, you were very mad. That actually worked out really. Well. Yeah. But going to me like when you're choosing a style or something story matters, like tell yourself a story for the area. That's what I did for this bass me and you had like a story written out between our two bases Dave Turin the foot gold about it while building which is a shame. I think that affected my building a bit as well. Yeah. I think we kind of need to get back to that. Hmm. But yeah story and I have General rule. I always try to do when building stuff and I call it the rule of Threes. So when building you need to have if you're building a wall, let's just start there. If your will has zero depth. It's just going to be one wide. Mmm, and he's have three different textures in it. And that could be using the stone brick unpolished andesite and maybe a cobblestone. Right, and that's how you would texture that wall one deep more you can do a too deep wall. That only needs one texture, right? All right, so because now you have depth added to it and that could be maybe you just switch out. A block for a stair block because now that stair block has a little bit of depth added to it or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I think so, but just just to make sure I got it right. So basically you have you want to always have three features in your bowl, right and either a block type would be a feature. So like you said, what was it and the site and then Stone break and then cobblestones. Three different block type. So each one would be a feature if you use one layer of depth, so you create a hole or whatever that would count as a feature as well. So you could have one less type of block. Yeah. Does that mean you won't go over it as well like, you know stick with the tree or I go over it all the time. It's really is a minimum. So that's just your base framework. Basically. Yeah. It's to try to keep a flat look out of the game. Like I don't want anything too. Feel flat and that tell when I was starting to build everything was booting was flat and I was like, well, how do I add texture and depth to something that I can't make deep and right when I was like well do three different textures on one wall where if you have two depths you really only need one texture because now you have two different. Shapes you're making right that being said if you're making a circle don't make the circle just stone brick. Yeah, that doesn't count just because there's like five step Downs in a circle. Doesn't mean that the rule of three works. Well, if you go on a circle, you would have a circular wall which would sort of going to being a straight roll. At least. That's how I would look at it. It doesn't always work but it's a great little hint that I came up for myself, especially like I came up with it when I was doing another tunnels, right because another Turtles can be long and flat you don't want to do a lot of crazy stuff to it because you have to repeat it for hundreds of blocks. Well, So you have to chance like normally another tunnel would be like, what is it three by three? Yeah, if you have to Bridge and you created something where you have to make it like what 10 white because you have like walls with a lot of depth changes and stuff. You're gonna have to build that when bridging. Yeah, and another that can be big Parts yet to me. The easiest way to add depth is if you have a stone brick wall you Put a log of wood of any kind of type in front of him because I guess you went depth and then you take a stone brick out and put a stone bricks tear and there's another side of depth to me. Those are the two easiest ways to add depth and texture to it. I think senses and what is it the iron fences they kind of work well to Kosovo falls off a sort of Step Yeah. Well, yeah if you could add glass panes and thick Same idea except the work. Mmm. My favorite was my very first comic craft base. I had that giant glass wall and the last wall head white glass blocks light grey blocks and black glass blocks, whatever and then I would texture it just by randomizing all of those blocks and then I would go behind and switch out random blocks with pains and it gave that giant glass wall this It's really cool texture. I was that still probably my proudest design I've done mmm, okay. And I'm going to have to build it somewhere. Oh, that's a fun project for the future. I thought about going back and rebuilding the first Common craft base because it's not very big. Hmm. It would make a great starting base. Yeah, I'm going to years ago. Was that like? Oh God. I don't know. Yeah three years. But what was cool about that was I found that underground cave Lake thing. Right? And I was like, well I want to build on top of that thing. That thing is cool. That's the whole basis. Of course. We didn't have really black block or blocks other than coal and I didn't want to mined for coal. So I just use black terracotta. So everything was brown the interesting to just get to see of that map and then create like a blank map again go there and make a new base and see what happens. Yeah, like how you would instead of sort of revamping that one just see how you would use that area and I would agree. Oh, yeah, because the area behind the base was gorgeous and that's why I chose it and then I never used it. I don't want to hold and I stayed in it. I think that could be really interesting you gave me inspiration stuff, but I don't need that. I already have inspiration for my current base and I've got the stupid secret project that were working on. Thank stop trying to divert me from doing stuff. Yeah. I'm good at that sometimes I guess. Yeah, it's funny cuz you explain to her. I'm going back to topic. They are ya block pellet way you sort of have well, I mean, I know you are really very rule or planned out on building but you have your rules of three kind of thingy. Yeah. I noticed a lot of it I have as well, but I'm going a lot by feel so obviously you're if you're Style you're going to build in. Yes, because I'm older nice throw. I generally just sort of pick a base block with the medieval east of it's usually all right. I'm going to use wooden logs to just Mark corners of what I'm gonna build. Yep with modern. I try and use well I've used concrete and I've used like stone bricks just sort of a neutral. All I'm just gonna smack this down and get a shape going and then I start layering. I try and play with the shape a little bit. I start playing with different blocks and I just try a lot and then in trying all those things, I generally find things that are cool and quite often. It's still real things that help any doing the sort of weird things is when I discovered like oh if I get depth that Stinks look so much better. I think it probably started with having like a glass pane as a window and then having like a stair on the outside on the wall next to a pillar to sort of create a I don't know that transition thingy. I was like, wow, this really gives it a realistic feel or at least not that flat kind of I don't know wooden box house feel my favorite aunt window ledge or whatever is using the r It's me. I always love how a stair transitions into a pain. Right. I think it could be better as in if I wish the window is pushed back a little bit because it does stick out a little bit further than the top half of the stair. But to me they work so well together. It really depends on what I'm building. Yeah, I think like whatever you're building as its own. I don't think there's anything that fits on everything like it. I don't think there was a magic thing that always works and to say it's my favorite Block in the game. So I'm going to say it man. Yeah, I think that's funny. I think I think there's probably people who do have that. I just don't I don't have a magic trick as it were I have found gray concrete. Hmm is closing in if Greg hartree had other textures and concrete powder and just concrete to me. It's my it's very close to being my favorite blog because you can use it in modern style and I've used it a ton in medieval style just as an accent block. Oh, yes, Marine. I think they work really well with the stone bricks and wood. That's a good point. And I just thought of something I actually lied a little bit. I do have one magic trick. Okay that leaves. Yes, these all the things you're everywhere where you think? Oh, this is difficult, especially on corners and and connection Parts. It's sometimes just really hard to make something that looks nice. I don't know how just go for it with leaves. Yeah. I don't know how many times I've looked at six ago. That's ugly. I'm gonna put a bunch of leaves around it. Yeah, that works also like you can't go Put leaves ever around your building. Although some builds can actually do that. But yeah using leaves it adds like a little bit of Dimension to it anyway, and and it's just a great way to hide like ugly spots. Yeah that being said in my new hallway extension. I looked at the ceiling. I was like man, I really like the shape of that ceiling. I'm gonna splatter leaves every I don't know why I did it but But it turned out pretty good. Yeah, I like I don't know that least of a lot of Randomness to them. It seems I mean obviously they ever they don't never random texture but I love him mixing the Birch leaves oak leaves juggle leaves together because yeah, well maybe the Burton Oak because they have the same texture of this different color. Well to me when you mix the jungle in there, the jungle has like what looks like a little seeds on it. I really like that. So if like you just throw a random jungle Leaf block and with a pile of bushes or whatever you now have this like little seat thing in there and to me it looks really good. I do like the jungle leaves a lot but they have sort of barely some it seems like that. The leaf blocks are more open like you can see through them a bit more which is nice. I don't I don't know. They don't always work together with Oaken Birch. No, that's why it to me you. Place it on top. Yeah, you have to have other leaves behind it to kind of consider the fact that like you said, it's an open block you could see through the darn thing, but I should give that a go adding some some jingle these guys. I like building trees. Hey, you want to come build some trees in front of my base. I need some trees built what a might actually be a good way to get some inspiration back in stuff. Yeah up to you that that's really what it's kind of been delaying. It's like I know where I need. Three big trees, but I really don't want to build two big trees because I suck at building trees. So I'm gonna do they streamed in a while. That might be a nice live stream again. Yeah, I need to get back in there yet. I can build some trees. Yeah, we can build some Trace. Yeah, you can build some trees and I can work on ground cover because I like playing with ground cover. Oh good boy. Yeah kind of like how we did the last Comic crab season were working on the island. You are building. Yeah, I'm trees like crazy. Well, I was working on the cover around it. Yeah, the bombs race. Yeah Minecraft or Mojang. We need some palm trees and maybe they can have red dragons in them. It will be cool. If they create it leaves for those bombs worries because palm trees after Owens heard of leaf style, right? You can't create engine well with the current if you make like half slept lie for so that's what I was just thinking right you could make awesome palm tree. Oh my God, I want to have Leave blocks. This is something oh my God. I almost wanted as much as I want a red dragon. That was to hurt at the Soma Priestly thingy. Yeah, holy cow that well, he's so awesome. You didn't mention a red dragon this episode yet. Thank you. I mentioned it twice now. You're just so used to hearing it. You didn't yeah, probably there goes that stupid red dragon comment that's never even happened. You mentioned it even more to me than just on the both Cal so it's even Worse. Oh Yang until you give me one. I'm going to keep talking about it. So somebody tweet Mojang this podcast and maybe they'll give you an awesome idea of if the palm tree leaves and now you're promoting the red dragon. Yeah. I know. I really want the palm tree leaves like I want that more than the red dragon right now, but I know tomorrow so that's the Red Dragon. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean the red dragon I'm not sure if it's so realistic thing. It's not but half slab Palm leaves. They can't do you never specified a size on the dragon? Yeah, I could make it the size of like a bat you can't ride that though. the size of a phantom Yeah, good enough. It's kind of like hell when you get the boat to people are in there, but your feet are sticking out the front of the boat because the boats aren't designed to be big enough. I think of when I was really young. This is actually kind of funny. I had my parents have quite a big Garden. Oh my God, my grandparents and they live like two blocks away. So really close. Yeah, and I remember one birthday. They were like, oh, what do you want? Birthday and I was like, yeah, I want a donkey like an actual donkey and then boy, I mean I was like, I don't know four or six or something. I was really young and I remember like I asked for it quite quite a lot. So my grandpa he actually gave me like on my birthday a tiny toy donkey. It's sort of like that like you under red dragon and get it a toy Dragon. Yes. No, I want a writable. It doesn't have to be the size of the inner dragon for sure. But Red Dragons are awesome, but didn't get any missile this half slab palm-leaf idea. I really am like that's actually usable, right? Yeah. I kind of want that more right now. So also I think it would add a lot of building options. If you get some wood leaves imagine the kind of roof you could make yes Market stalls and intense and are you good? It's like Shifty shakes and that kind of stuff. Don't tease me bank. I just did. Okay. Well thanks to you we now need to go ahead and in the podcast because I got to go build some Shifty Leaf huts and stuff. Right. Are you going to try and make a mold back out of it? No, I can't be that technical you kidding me. I think you could this good tutorials online. That's true. Stop distracting just have to like retexture like another slap, right? Which lab that's true. / / right? So just retexture purpose lips, too. Palm trees yesterday. You can do it. Yeah. All right. That's that's go to to finish this. Yeah, go ahead and take this out. Yeah, if you like the show tell everyone about it and your Minecraft community and that home and everywhere where you work and stuff, you know, she had an episode social media leave us a like and a rating and a review that really helps us get more listeners. If you like to get into contact with the show send an email to podcast at ripple effect as B.com tweet us or the best thing is to join a discard method little checklist. 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He said the devil its hellish cold. Nevertheless he bathed and swam far out into the lake. Later, he breakfast and soon cited his work. He wrote. In the beginning was emotion. And when it ruled the world it subjected all things to itself. And none ruled beside it then something new came called reason. Step by step it fought against the old Power and yet it could never win that Mighty autocratic rule, which the other had once had then long before I could conquer emotion and new greater power appeared which pressed hard upon the two older ones. With strong Lowe's experience defeated reason, but could not so easily Prevail against the more ancient ruler emotion. That is how it stands now with poor reason weekly defending small strongholds blind emotional Instinct still holds great territories with tough tenacity. But on conquerable experience with ever new weapons continues to rob the others of their lands. emotion expressed itself in the rule of theology reason stepped forth against it as philosophy. But then man learned by experience and found that neither reason nor emotion could reveal the laws of this world to him. To be sure he needed them both and they may lead him. Well. But he can gain knowledge only by burrowing to the Ultimate Reality of things and stripping them of all mirror phenomenalism. Thus stands the dream God emotion reason and experience. What them one can conquer the world emotion tasks where does man come from and gives its answer which applies to everything God created him? Then reason comes and says no there is no God. But it does not really answer the great question that all finally experience comes and teaches us the truth concerning man's origin. It gives us a long chain and shows his descent link by link. Reason Puffs itself up and cries there are missing links, but experience finds these missing links one today and another again tomorrow. Emotion is cunning. It says nothing. It is blind and puts its finger to add ears. Emotion preaches its ancient little speech. Oh men are descended from Adam e but reason proceeds and build systems and deeds itself, very wise indeed one man says there are three races of men in the world. And another that there are five in the third that there are seven. And a fourth that there are 12. A hundred wise men build a hundred systems and each cause the other fool and in this point, they are all right, but one should not reproach them. We seek and we dig and it avails us nothing if chance does not come to our help better you happen to find an old bone and suddenly no more than all the Learned men before you don't be arrogant because you had good luck. experience alone can scarcely lead to any ultimate knowledge emotion must point the way and reason must help last one lose one's way in all The Gardens of error. Jacob looked over his table over the great pile of books and manuscripts. There lies my experience. He thought the Motions revealed the way to me. I know that is the right way. So my reason help me now. He brewed it closed his eyes and supported his head with both hands. Slowly fragment by fragment. He grasped all that he had gathered and formed once more the same great image. He reflected searchingly after every detail stubbornly looking for some error here and there and he found none. Probably his account was straight. Again, and again, he sought to locate a point and offered some weakness to attack, but he consistently found that his point was firm. No, he was not mistaken. The Cro-Magnon race had disappeared from Europe. It's a Pity that it was surely the best of all They were giants in Cro-Magnon folk when erect they were over 2 meters tall. Their skull was larger by 1/4 than any of the other races of their time. Their nose and Chin protruded and in the age of the mammoth, they already resemble the Europeans of our day. They were great hunters an excellent artists even today. We admire their delineations of animals on the cliff sides of the valley of vizier, which they carved their toward the end of the Ice Age. We have traces of them in Spain in France in Monrovia. But the race is extinct and they are not our ancestors there remained the men of Grimaldi of Galley Hill and of Neanderthal. In the caverns of the ruse the Red Cliffs of Mentone were found among the number of Cro-Magnon men to skeletons of another type. It's Grimaldi race reminded one of the Zulus of today and its jaw formation and also showed strange characteristics in other respects, too. Now it is certain however that at that time the separation between Europe and Africa was much smaller than it is today. Therefore it is not surprising that the animals and Men of the two continents stood in much closer relation. And even today negroid traces are found among the inhabitants of the Mediterranean countries. But the race of Grimaldi Bears no relation to the galley hillfolk. The later are found exclusively in the north as the former are in the south. And they were as different from them as from the Neanderthal race in the middle. The top of their skull was very long and narrow Bolton higher and showed no protuberance is above the eye the lower jaw. However, showed the chin projection like that of the noble race of Cro-Magnon. Then in the middle along a broad belt throughout the race of Neanderthal. They must have spread out far to the North and to the South and their time which was the glacial period of the Alps in this way one finds the remains of these Mountain Folk. Always at the extreme end of the Highlands. In the Ardennes and the duchy of burgundy on the shores of the neck are among the last foothills of the car. So the carpathians and of the western Alps. And this much was certain the Neanderthal man and the man of spy the man of crappy NE and the man of korra's. Oh they all belong to the same race as did the boy of moose ta and the woman of Kirkland. They were a great folk then stretching from the Spurs of the carpathians to the very Cliffs of Brittany. I think of the hills even as they are today. Jacob pondered this with the difference between then and now such an enormous one. one estimated the space of time at three-and-a-half millions of years and for such a space the development seemed exceedingly small to him. Did not Pietro NOS Claire and the short neck blasphemy a disturbingly remind one of those prehistoric men. Did not that thick haired long arm serving-man of the American with his huge dewlap and his frightful jaw. Look exactly like some strong boned contemporary of the mammoth. He might have been forward in the same manner as he followed his hero today crept into a cavern with a dull cry to throw himself upon a bear. the clumsy Stone Hatchet in his hand You could imagine him how he might have sat crouching not altogether tearing it raw flesh split during the hard bones against The Rock and sucking their marrow. Yes, that's what the man with the glider ought to do. It would be more seemly for him than talking about his soul. The whole valley of shkodra seemed to him to be a cage full of wild beasts. The fathers of that prehistoric time and climbed all around the lake and the hollows and caverns and their brood still crept there even today animals animals. He lifted his arm as if he were swinging a whip. They should jump through hoops for him on that same day. He went to see mr. Peter. The sun had sent the peasants were creeping into their houses. Like chickens eat that. He went through the village and climbed up to the Americans house. He meant the Americans small Stout and chubby wife in the garden. She bowed to him and pointed to the barn. My husband is in the meeting Hall. She said he'll be here in a moment. She led him into the house and offered him a chair. He spoke to her in Praise of The Shining copper viewers and jugs hung above the hearth. How they gleam and shine she nodded solemnly. I'm accustomed to having them that way. My husband says I wasted too much time on Earthly things and look up too little to our lord Jesus. She went on talking and she kept saying my husband and my husband. These words issued continually from her mouth like white flour from a mill. Jacob interrupted her do tell me as your husband. So Pious during the night surely. He sleeps then the burger meas woman. Shook her head. Yes, but even in his sleep, my husband does not forget the Lord. Suddenly, he will get up out of his bed kneel down and pray. My husband is as Pious as that sometimes to my husband walk over to the meeting hall or even into the village in the middle of the night and then he comes back and goes to the bed and in the morning remembers nothing about it. My husband suddenly she got up frightened. Here. He comes she whispered. She opened the door for him. The doctor is here. Then she put a candle on the table and slipped out some plea Pietro greeted him morosely and reservedly then lowered his head and squinted at him timidly and a assembly Jacob thought Just wait my good animal. I'll teach you how to dance. He cried out to him. How was business mr. Peter started and duct as if under the Lash of a whip. Then with a sweet and sour Smiley said, thank you. He didn't even dare to pretend that he had not understood the strangers calling his sacred activity business. Thank you. Everything rests in the hands of the Lord. I pray to him that he may bless my work. Jacob said the Lord will not bless your work. He demands more than singing and praying. Doubting himself that convinced by the decided tone of the stranger Pietro lived at his glance. What does he demand he asked timidly? Jacob was silent everything of the American did his meetings was a senseless imitation of his Pennsylvania sect this singing and preaching is praying and confessing and making a music could only have one purpose till we can believe that might serve very well for the Protestant masses who'd lost their belief in might with its noise learn dull crowds back to the grass for a while. Even as the trumpet of the dryer attracts people to booths affair. But could it Avail here all these beasts and Valdez gotra stood as firm in their faith as their own mountains. There had never risen in them the singled out of all which they had once drawn in from the bits and the debts of their mothers. To bring Faith to this valley-wide grew in every Fisher bloomed and spread wrinkly from the walls and throttled the belly. Now these people needed something else. If it had a yearning for anything at all. If it harbored an unconscious desire for some event to interrupt the empty slot of the monotonous years. It could be only one thing a miracle. He laid his hand on the Americans shoulder his voice was soft and yet I was strangely penetrating quality. Listen Pietro knows Claire. the Lord demands a miracle of you Mr. Peter stared at him horrified. I am to perform a miracle I mental perform miracles. Don't blaspheme answered Jacob read the history of the Saints, you know, very well that men perform Miracles. You must perform a miracle. The new can be a tro. You are Elijah. Beatrice stared at him without moving incapable of answering the German continued Yes, you are Elijah Elijah the prophet don't you know that the souls of the Saints can slip into new bodies the Lord commands it. You Harbor the soul of Elijah. his words came solely with Assurance permitting No Doubt It is not in vain that the Lord has blessed you so strangely upon the road of life. He led you across the Great Sea cards you to toil bitterly through long years for your daily bread. Then he guided your steps to the congregation of your brother. And in order that the light of his Spirit might Enlighten you In his infinite goodness, he gave you a great gift and made a rich man of you. Mr. Peter nodded silently each word penetrated him. That itself deep into the convulsions of his brain the other continued. But the Lord has a greater thing in mind concerning you therefore he drove you away from The Strange Land. You were to Proclaim his kingdom in the valley of your old home. And the savior's Grace. And here while you slept he breathed into your body the soul of his Pious servant Elijah. Pietro Stoddard like a drunken Moon and steadied himself on the edge of the table. It is true. He whispered. I dream of the blood of the lamb every night. And my wife says that I get up and walk and my sleep. Yes. Jacob nodded. But it is not yourself. It is Elijah the prophet who dwells in you. He arises and praises the Lord in his sleep. And he considers how he met best proclaim the kingdom and the glory and spread them abroad on Earth. He inclined his head and looked at the man picks and Lee Pho NOS Claire. You are the chosen one. The American could hardly old himself, erect. his arms stretched in brief convulsions But then stream of saliva dropped from his half-open lips. I just glanced glowed with the proud intoxication. And lost itself in confused imaginings concerning the exalted Master whose mental had descended upon him. He no longer heard what the other said his fixed eyes beheld the glories of the Kingdom. Jacob shook him angrily come to yourself Pietro. I am speaking to you. Snatched from his dream and confused. He directed his trustful glance at the German. What did the stranger this unbeliever want of him? How he sat there cold smiling and blowing cigarette smoke into his face. He was Elijah the prophet. Jacob tapped him lightly on the knee You are to hear me Pho. Do you understand? Oh, yes, he would have to listen. He saw that clearly. He felt that the stranger was tearing away the fog that lay before his eyes. And was showing him the bath upon which he was to go but for that very reason he hated him. He believed every word that the other spoke and there grew and him the Monstrous reverence which he himself. They call the world must have for himself himself Elijah the Prophet The Chosen them Lord, but their Sabbath is Doctor from heaven knows where But failed miserably to cure the sick woman who me and healed this unbelieving dog who had laughed aloud in meeting when his farm ants girl had confessed his soul. There he sat with every look with every gesture. He showed his boundless condemned he ground his teeth. Just why this man been sent and he considered The ways of the Lord are past finding out he murmured he bowed and said and toneless voice speak doctor. What am I to do? Jacob looked at the others distorted face and interpreted his thoughts clearly. Something tempted him to insult him his foot twitched as if itching to kick him. Bring wine. He commanded the American looked up. He felt the Lash sir. He stammered we have no wind there was never a drop in my house. Wasn't there said Jacob lately? And go to raimondi's in and he sleeps wake him up. He'll be well pleased to sell you some wine Pho arose with difficulty his fists clenched and he crept like a beaten Kerr towards the door. Jacob laughed after him laughed lightly briefly as he had done when the Far Man confessed his soul. A little fresh cigarette thought about what Asian tell the American he nodded and said half aloud. Yes, that will work. Mr. Peter brought the wine. Silently he put the bottle on the table and went to fetch a glass. To said Jacob the other obeyed and the German forced him to touch glasses with him. And empty his glass to fill it again immediately. So Pietro now, you'll understand me better. The American bit his lips and pressed his hands together. One could see what pains he took to follow the words of the stranger. To understand every thought I didn't press it firmly upon his mind. The unaccustomed wine heated him and caused everything that was said to appear even clearer and more natural. But before Jacob began, he asked him Pho do you love me? As the other did not answer. He continued surely. You know, that one should love ones neighbor as oneself. The American looked toward the floor and squirmed like a Schoolboy, but the German would not let him off. You are to tell me the truth Pho this very moment. Do you love me? Man stammered. No, sir, I believe not. Jacob laughed Well, it isn't really necessary. If only you obey and you must obey me or no one will show you the way if I don't. Mr. Peter side. He felt clearly that it was so then listen Pietro Jacob continued. What have you done in your native Village? You have preached Faith to the people if there was no one who was without pain. You have spoken of repentance. And they were all ready to repent long before you came. You persuaded them to confess their sins publicly before the congregation. But do you think that this is enough the eyes of the Lord? Prayer more you've made them to renounce wine. No one can deny that is a meritorious deed, but believe me Pho the Lord demands more. And even those who are your followers will soon enough be satiated with your teaching they to demand something greater of you. You have summoned them to fight the devil and you have promised them to drive him out. What are your weapons song and prayer weapons of wood, but I tell you Pete Row the devil cares little for singing and praying. He laughs all the while he remains quietly crouching behind the stove. If you want to go after him in Earnest, you'll need better weapons. Where's the Armory that can give you weapons strong enough to Avail? The might of Satan note. Well Pietro know Square. I will make it plain to you. I know the world and all its depths behold. I will lead you to the lives of the Saints. Who says Paul the Apostle? Castigate my body and bring it into submission lest that by any means after I have preached to others. I should be a Castaway. You Preach also Pedro But when have you ever castigated your body? I will tell you a story which st. Vincent records. in the monastery of Saint Sylvester near urbino The certain monk died their 700 years ago as always the brothers sang the Lamentations for the Dead songs and Psalms. When they came to the Agnus Dei the dead man arose. They all thronged around him in order to hear what he might say, but he cursed and blasphemed God the cross and the holy virgin. That's our minutes of hell. We said were exceedingly cruel. And no amount of praying and singing would help him. They adjourned to let him repent but out of his mouth issued forth more and more ghastly curses. Than the monks determined to pray for his soul. Finally, however, when all this availed nothing, they stripped themselves of their garments grasp their scourges and beat themselves. But at last reason returned to the desperate dead man, he repented of his error and prayed for forgiveness and thus he lived and praised God the Lord until the next day. Do you understand the meaning of this story Pietro what song and prayer were powerless to do was brought about by scourging. It was that which drove the evil fiend out of the body of the poor monastic Brothers. That is the path which the Saints show us. St. Francis of Assisi new it well and is discouraged or deep wounds into his own flesh and into that of his brothers and sisters. St. Dominic of Guzman flagellated himself until he fell down unconscious. But the mother of God herself tended to his wounds. Whenever he castigated himself, the air was full of evil spirits who held and cursed because the Deeds of this man snatched so many Souls from out of the Eternal fire. Yo Holmes taller was his pupil and the ornament of his order. He swung the whip. No less vigorously than his master. And so to it st. Ignatius of Loyola and raise the scourge against his sinful body. Listen opiate row to this teaching which Saint John of nutria gives us. the blood he said which The Scourge draws from you is mixed with the blood of the Savior shed on the cross to redeem you. Self-castigation renders all confession Superfluous and is more meritorious than even the martyr's death for the former is voluntary, but the latter is enforced. It is a new baptism that I am baptized mm in the blood of the lamb. Every true Christian should be baptized in his own blood. Self-castigation affects the Forgiveness of all former and all future sins. It is better than all good works. Such was the teaching of this holy man. Father Octavius papayas computation of the monastery at Darren calls out to us. Man is incapable of governing the desires of the flesh. But even if his body sins yet, his soul may serve the Lord the soul belongs to God and the body to the world. God speaks to man from above. And the world speaks to him from below each demands as share. But through the castigation of the body that's in which the world bids the man to do is washed away and forgiving. But do not believe Pietra NOS Claire that only holy men humiliated and castigated their body's weak. Women did just as much and often have an opened up to the site of their wounds st. Theresa. The foundress of the Carmelite Order was the first to carried her Scourge together with her missile. When she was seven years old. She read the lives of the Saints which you appear tro. Do not even know today. Together with her little brother. She determined to go among the Heathen in order to suffer a martyr's death. Her parents restrained her and the pious child then lived the life of a hermit. When she was scarcely grown up, she entered a Convent there the Garment of her cloth the rod and the scourge were her friends. She felt but one Rapture to beat herself and to be beaten. She would have given her very life to be able to Scourge. The whole world were to be scourged by the whole world. And her magnificent example found wide imitation among all the monks and the nuns of The Cloister they all emulated each other and using the scourge and thus attaining the kingdom of the Lord. They all castigated themselves daily and some twice and some three times daily. The pious sister Maria to whom thus courage did not suffice peed herself with a poker. Brother Alexander even beat her with a red-hot iron. Still more bias was Sister, Katrina of Cardona. She wore a garment of are cloth and iron chains, which cut deep into her flesh. She lived like a Hermit in the lowest seller and slept on the damp ground with a stone for a pillow. She had many instruments for castigation and last herself uninterrupted for three hours. She wounded herself with needles and thorns and singed her flesh even at night. She scarcely slept but she continued in her only work. At the very mention of her name. the bias Bishop of the Serta wept with profound reverence mother passed the Daya of Siena who belonged to the cistercian order was no less strict. She beat herself with fragments of iron slept in snow and winter and among metals and thorns in summer. When the scourge ripped her skin and shreds she caused salt and vinegar to be poured on her wounds. She lashed her body with thorny branches and lay upon stones and hard beans. To her to by virtue of the scourge. It was vouchsafed to see the Lord Jesus with her own eyes. Shall I name more names to Pietro? The history of the Saints is full of Pious men and women. Who knew well the grace of God that lie in their blows and wounds for he remembers how the Jews tour way his son Jesus from Pontius pilate's house remembers how the men-at-arms bound him and stripped him rest a crown of thorns upon his head. Sat upon him and struck him. And it is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord the pious voluntarily endure the shame and the torture which his beloved Son suffered for the sake of the world. That is the path which leads to the lamb and except for this there is no other. All the saints went this path until all the Lord showed himself. And gave to all of them the grace of Miracles. Did not about a gesture of Saint Benedict the Temple of the Heathen god Apollo of Monte cassino fall into ruins did not st. Ignatius alone perform over 200 Miracles and who shall number the Miracles of st. Francis? Therefore take up the scourge and lash your own body Pierre. Drona's Claire. Are you are Elijah the prophet? Jacob stopped the American stared at him his lips and tongue moved without speaking. It seemed as if he had lost the power of speech. Stammering and with pain the words wrong themselves from him, sir. Sir, who are you you animal the German burst out at him? And he poured a glass full of wine and pressed it to the others lips there during that's it. It's no business of yours who I am you fool. You think over what I've told you that's enough for your brain. Jacob got up and turned to go. One other thing I wanted to tell you Pho and Market. Well, it is true as your brothers and Pennsylvania taught you that alcohol is a poison that the devil dwells in it. And you did right when he preached as they do that one should believe the wine and drink not a drop. But you forgot one thing. That in the hand of the anointed when he stands before the congregation at the feet of the Lord the wind changes into blood which the Savior shed for the sake of mankind. You have forgotten what you yourself saw so often when you went to Holy, Mass. And you have misled everyone here all your brothers and sisters. And they have forgotten the great mystery of transubstantiation. Well Pietro within you dwells the highest servant of the Lord and you are a chosen an anointed one and in your hands the devil's juice must turn into the redeemers blood. Not here to be sure nor now when you drink what I give you. Now you drink Satan's unclean poison when you stand before the congregation then in your hand as in any priests. the wind undergoes the Mystic transformation and then you are to drink and you are to cause your brothers and sisters to drink in order that their bodies to they have a share in the mysterious Grace of the blood of the Lamb. Jacob took the glass filled it a new and sipped then he continued. Remember this well, Pietro. But now my profit take for my hand the glowing poison him Satan. They're said your lips here where my lips have been and drain this glass. The American jumped up and thrust him back. He tried to run from the room. But Jacob barred his passage frightened Pedro stood huddled in a corner of the room behind a bench. No. No, I don't want to go away and let me be Take approach to him the last in his hand. I know you don't want to Pho he said but you must do you hear you must? He gave him the glass and the trembling NOS Claire put it to his lips. He took a mouthful and spat it out again for his mouth burned as it from the fires of hell. You must drink the German insistent. And mr. Peter drank his legs shook. His eyes turned upward. It seems like molten lead that ran down his throat. That is well. Jacob said good night. Then he went Pho now sclera crouched in his Corner his legs trembled and refused their service. He collapsed like a bag. He is boys and me He mount. He crept to the table on all fours raised himself with difficulty took the bottle and shattered it against the edge. his entrails burned he pressed his hands to his abdomen in the belief that he was being consumed from within outward. It was the devil who was in him and tormented him his abdomen swelled up to a mighty Spear and within it Satan's at Greening laughed and neighing love and turned somersaults. He was a black giant his claws were long and hard as steel. He grasped his intestines thrust into them with his pointed horns and exhaled smoke and Fire. Pietro felt the poisonous fumes come up his throat felt the red hot breath issue from his mouth. He held and rolled about on the floor as if he could in this way quench the fire. That was consuming his body. That's Satan stretched out his arm and From Below thrust the pointed nail of his thumb into his head. And then Pietro swung about on his own pivot like a mad Ram. He felt as if the devil or drawing him together from within. Pressing his head down and pulling up his knees to his shoulders. He lay there like a knot like a round ball. Like this the arch enemy now desired to roll them forward down the stairs until the lake deeper ever deeper into the hellish fire. Then he would burst with a loud rapport. And basil Bob would leave forth from him with hellish laughter into the midst of his black companions. But this last strength Pho threw himself upon his knees Lord God in heaven help your servant Elijah. But it came to pass that the fiend went forth from him. And through him forward and down it Bros in his throat like a thick ball it choked and gagged him and forced his mouth wide open. And through his teeth. It's tension vomit Satan spraying driven forth by the name of the Lord Pietro spewed. But Jacob close the door of the Americans house. He saw a figure in the shadow of the trees. He recognized Teresa. He was sold to her as to a dog. She flew to him and behind her and great bounds came the goat Marfa. Have you two been waiting for me? He asked has it been long. Yes said the girl. forgive me He caressed her cheeks he put one arm around her neck the other hand rested on the head of the goat. And he knew that they were both happy. They went home. And this my darling ends our reading of chapter 6. We will return very soon for chapter 7. I hope that you have a very sweet and creepy dreams as always. Good night.

ASMR reading of the classic horror novel, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, by Hanns Heinz Ewers in 1910. Soft spoken. Enjoy with headphones. The story of The Sorcerer's Apprentice begins with a discussion between a priest and the protagonist of the story, a man named Frank Braun. For the purposes of our narrative, the protagonist's name has been replaced with the name Jacob, as a subscriber reward. In the story, Jacob is a wise and thoughtful man seeking a specific truth from a small region in Italy. The priest he comes across is helpful but becomes fearful of Jacob's intelligence and questions. We learn that Jacob believes a man should be able to read and write, a metaphor for a man having both knowledge and the ability to use that knowledge effectively. This will be a chapter by chapter reading of The Sorcerer's Apprentice and will be comprised of 16 total parts. Join me as we learn Jacob's secrets and the secrets he hopes to discover in this classic horror novel by Hanns Heinz Ewers. Here's my debut novel, Sorrow of the Dragon Gods: amzn.to/2E6CT2v #softspokenasmr #sorcerersapprentice #lovecraftasmr --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.