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Hi everyone. It's Rebecca. You're listening to Superwoman. Today's guest is Jessica Pals the editor-in-chief of Cosmo. We talk about all things the land the fashion what inspired her to want to be in fashion and move here and that she's not The Devil Wears Prada. I'll put it that way. Today's guest is Jessica pels the editor-in-chief of Cosmo and Cosmo.com. Hey, I think we're good. I should insert the that cheering like yeah, I remember Cosmo from my youth and obviously it's been it's a historical maggots been around for a long time. You've been there about a year and a half and you took over last September October as editor-in-chief of both but before Start with the journey you're on now. I'd love to hear about your story. Why you loved media? What you love about your job. I was born in a log cabin on a no, I'm kidding. I never really thought I would end up in magazines actually to be honest because my focus was always on storytelling when I was younger. I was obsessed with reading and writing and I got really into movies when I was in I guess it was middle school and I did this nerdy thing where I would would watch a movie and then immediately I would watch it again with the directors commentary on do you remember back when DVDs existed? Yes, and I loved the storytelling first, but then the insight into how the story got made and so I as sort of a writer first was obsessive about stories and then I was a very serious ballet dancer for a long time and that's what brought me to New York. I when I was 14 I came here. Or to study with American Ballet Theater for the summer. No big deal. It was just the summer program. Although I did take a class next Baryshnikov which made my life, but the only way my conservative parents would let me stay here on my own was if I lived in a nunnery, so I did there was plastic on all of the furniture and the nuns cooked all the food. So all I ate was Bodega mango the entire summer was the food. Land uh-huh. Okay. Yeah, I can't imagine like nuns indulging in like flavors. Yeah indulge is not a word I think in their vocabulary there were no boys allowed. I totally snuck a boy into the building. But so I was serious about ballet for a long time and ballet is about storytelling and it's about performance and it's about evoking emotion. I got to a point when I was nearing the end of my high school time and thinking about Jen I realized that I was a good dancer, but I wasn't the best dancer same I didn't know you'd and yeah, I was in modern I was like you and I'm not going to be Baryshnikov or like any of the Great's scare. Why bother? Yes, it's such a brutally competitive world. Yeah, and if you're going to be in the corps de ballet of some tiny company, no one's ever heard of that. Just I knew I was too ambitious for that. And I also knew that serious ballet dancers didn't go to college because those are critical years in your career. Here and I wanted to go to college and I wanted to I was a total nerd and so I went to NYU and initially I was an English major again focused on storytelling. I wanted to be a writer and editor and I got really attracted to the the stage. I directed A play When I was a freshman, which was a bizarre thing. I had never done before but decided to just why not, you know, just try it. I directed A play all by myself and and I loved that as a new kind of Storytelling and through that I met one of my dearest friends Matt patches who was like, you know, what you should you should try to film program at NYU. He was a film student and he knew what a geek I was for movies and I looked into it and I transferred to Tisch which is the film program at NYU. And so that was the kind of Storytelling I did for a long time. I wanted to be a director and I thought that I would be B and I realized unfortunately what a sexist industry that is damn about it, huh. Did you did you not even bother entering it because you saw the landscape of like male directors versus female or there were basically there was no Kathryn Bigelow when I was in school there just wasn't that kind of a role model but it's also I'm a very practical person and I started to think about this thing that no one teaches you in college that I wish everyone taught in college, which is The lifestyle that comes with the career that you're choosing right? It's just when you're in college, it's all about like this is what I want to be. This is what I want to do. You're not thinking about the fact that in film you're working 18-hour days on a project-by-project basis, which means you don't know where your next paycheck is coming from you're not getting health insurance and I am a very detailed oriented Virgo who needs structure in my life. And so I knew that film while a great love of mine. Always and it's come full circle. Now. I work on video at Cosmo which is really cool. But I knew that the film lifestyle wasn't right for me and so in college, I started interning I started at the New Yorker and then I went to Vogue right after that and I just fell in love. It was like the perfect combination of all of the kinds of Storytelling that I loved. I also really loved ones. I got to Vogue. I loved focusing on women as an audience because I Like women were underserved but there is also this really immensely attractive thing that was sort of the opposite of what I saw in film where in women's media young women had a seat at the table and higher level corporate Executives men would listen to them and look at them. Like well, she's the expert she knows what she's talking about and I thought that was really inspiring and unfortunately rare and I think that more than anything is why I stuck with magazines Above All Else It's So speaking as someone who at the same time as a feminist but also loved Barbie and never felt like Barbie made me like I was never one of those people that like played with Barbies and then thought oh, I need to look like Barbie like that didn't enter and it was a doll I know a lot of people feel like Barbie they needed to look like her and it messed up their head but how do you feel with what you're doing at Cosmo like it used to be like a magazine that was all about sex tips and that's what I would read it for when I was 16 like all the great. Missions and I'm not gonna lie the tantric sex article really shaped my sixteen-year-old sex life. How do you sort of bounds that right and what it was known for and its Legacy and like bringing it into a modern day where women might want to know about sex, but they also need to know about money or all these other topics that are so key to us. It's really interesting in looking back at I did a deep deep deep study of Kosmos history before I took over the magazine in October and what really struck me about Out it is that it was really broad. It was known for its sex tips because I think that's what people went to it for that was so that's what was so unique about it and it's sort of Soul, you know spot in the market that no one else was in but it covered food and it covered it did talk about career and I read a lot about Helen Gurley Brown the founding editor of the Kosmos. We know it now and she her big goal was to To help young women get out there and chase their dreams. What's interesting to me? Is that now on this side of things? I feel like the woman I'm speaking to has done that and the magazine that we're making is about what happens when you get there, which is really interesting. But you know, my audience is 17 percent more diverse than the national average. So we focus a ton on diversity. That's a huge thing for me. Making sure that the magazine looks and feels as nuanced as the audience does I think also, you know Millennials and gen Z hold their media far more accountable for representation than any other generation has so I've been working hard with my fantastic team to make the magazine look a lot more diverse and a lot more like the people who are reading it because I do think that matters. I'm the same way you were I did I did play with Yeah, I left my Barbie dream house, but I never thought I had to look like her right granted neither of us. Look that far afield from Barbie. You know what I mean? I'm not saying that we're blond and had this bizarre proportions, but we're you know sort of in that world. And so I never felt like I was playing with something that was so far removed from my world. But I do I do recognize the influence that media has I think there's been a long narrative in the last 10 15 years of readers and consumers calling out women's media for not being representative enough for diverse enough and not showing up body types and to your earlier question not focusing on the serious issues that women really care about I guess what I'm saying is I think women were frustrated for a long time with the perception that women's magazines made them seem fluffier and flakier than they really were right the media that we all can Now does focus on politics and it does focus on substantive issues. It's not that women now are more serious than they were then it's just that media has caught up right but serious reporting is in my background. I was a features editor at Teen Vogue and that's sort of what's in my heart when it comes to journalism. And I think that's something Cosmo has a long history of doing really well and I want to lean really hard into that space as we go forward. So most people All who have seen Devil Wears Prada, imagine an editor and Chief's job as that. Can you define for me like as an Editor in Chief? How is that different from being a features writer or different from being a market editor so that people can understand like what your day-to-day actually looks like in your your role versus what the movie say? Yes, and I had the funny thing is I have sort of been on both sides of that equation because I started as the assistant to the editor-in-chief of Glamour Cindy Levy who was such Great champion of mine and was nothing like Miranda Priestly except that she was very smart and very driven. So it's funny that movie has sort of I've lived that whole movie right now. I think once you get to be an Editor in Chief, you've kind of done a lot of the other roles that work underneath you. So you have decent understanding of what it does take to be a market editor features editor or a copy editor research director, but what's different about what I do is that I am responsible for the Entire output of this brand and what's changed so much about being an editor and Chief from Helens day to mine is that Helen had a magazine. She had a very big very very big magazine. I have a magazine and a website and a YouTube channel and Instagram, you know, a Twitter a tick tock platform and Alexis show a podcast a new fragrance line. You're responsible for everything. So like you look at every Sir, Graham that comes out. Do you read all the captions? I do I prove all the tick tock videos, you know, the only way that I can survive in the only way that I think what we do is so great is that I have a team of phenomenal mind blowing Lee smart hilarious young women working for me who I trust to own it and run with it. And so I would say that I have my hand in every pot but it's more supervisory. I always added being micromanaged and so I hate to micromanage. So MIA lardy our Snapchat editor oversees our Tick-Tock Channel and I let her do that and I look at what's there and I give her feedback, but II don't I don't like to Over Control. I also think the thing about digital content is that it kind of has to be what it is endemic to the platform that it's on and once you get too precious about it, I think you can hinder what makes digital content fun and great. So I Are you know obviously in the news? It's always like the death of magazines. And now I have a lot of people in media digital media like it's the death of our industry and I'm like bull everyone like someone's gonna survive right you seem to be diversifying which will ensure your survival. But what do you see as like as things are dying or they aren't what they were I used to say when I couldn't afford to go anywhere or afford to go to Paris or anything a friend of mine would like put everything on uncle Sy I like she's like thanks Uncle side because like those were the days right the private cars and the she would just pay forever. She was like my sugar daddy, but it was really Uncle Si's money by new house. Yes. Oh, yeah, welcome. Yeah. So those days are over. So where do you want to take this in this media World which digital brands are dying. Some magazines are faltering. Like what? What do you see as your strength? I'm going to answer that a couple of different ways. I do hear this narrative a lot this whole death thing and it's depressing but I don't have to read magazines. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. But I have a pile. I know me too and my new apartment building. I just saw a huge stack of magazines getting delivered the other day, which was so exciting. You know, it's interesting. I are you familiar with the astrologist Susan Miller. Yes. She told me once that no form of media ever dies out or has ever died out. We all thought the TV would kill the radio it didn't we all thought texting would kill phone calls. It hasn't and I thought that was really interesting and if sort of hung on Hang on to that. I don't think I really don't think print magazines will die and there are a couple of reasons. The first is that I have a theory that I don't think is all that crackpot of a theory. I think a couple of years from now, we're going to find ourselves as a culture and a place where we recognize that just because we can get all of our content digitally on our phones doesn't mean that we want to or that we should I think about being a user on a phone. It's not a space. I control I'm there. I'm sort of navigating around but then I get a text from my mom. And then I remember I have to email my sister back and then I see in my inbox that my boss is ask me a question that I have to go. It's a very sort of frenetic space where in magazines you can't get a push notification, you know, totally and I do think that I'm going to put I'm on the record right now putting money down saying that in five years in a restaurant in New York City if you have your cell phone out on the Table like we both do right. Now that's going to be as decla. Say is if you light a cigarette I really think that that we're headed for that that there will be I hope so right that what that there will be a world in which there are cell phone blocked areas. We're talking about a concept related to that right now work. So I think for that reason we as a culture that's very Wellness aware will get to a place where we feel like it's it is restorative and recuperative to not read on the phone sometimes and to choose instead to Read a physical thing and I think that's that's really important. I also think that there are certain certain kinds of stories that print magazines do do even better than digital and this is where I struggle against myself because I'm working for all platforms, but we did a story recently called how to go to rehab about how most of the young addicts and his country most of the addicts in general in this country will never get help which is a crisis and the rehab piece of the you know, opioid epidemic is not is not what gets really talked about and so we as a staff discussed what a critical need that was for our reader and how impactful it could be for a girl who is reading Cosmo for fun reading it for the sex tips for the great fashion for the beauty for the astrology section for her to stumble upon a story that destigmatize has rehab for her and makes it seem like a less terrifying concept if we Impact readers that way that seemed really important right that telling that story online is difficult. We've done it we've put the story online but it's harder to navigate a concept that has a ton of different a wheel that has a ton of different spokes. It's hard to do that online in the same way that you can do in print so I do think there are certain things that print magazines just to better. Yeah and always will I like in your story of the phones on the table like we're consuming right our phone. Because we're digital word that digitally native. Whatever's like kids on Halloween, right and then you eat so much of it. You're sick to your stomach and then you're like, all right. Just one one a day. Yeah good after the like I make myself want to throw up. Exactly. Yeah. I mean if you look at what Apple's doing with their screen time monitoring I had lunch not long ago with Tim Cook who came to Hearst and was talking about how he did you have lunch like you and him just you and Tim me and he and a couple The other editors in Chief. Wow. Yes. We all tried very hard not to call him Tim Apple, but when someone did he laughed heartily, but he talked about how he feels like if people are on his devices all the time. He's failed right because they're meant to empower your engagement with the world around you and I believe in that and I think I think the whole restorative thing will become a really important component of self-care totally. Yeah. So a lot of the In that interview have encountered whether it's a glass ceiling or being held down or and I'm not trying to make the podcast only be about that. But I've always felt that in fashion while it is mostly women. It's a lot of women like kicking each other down or like throwing each other under the bus or in full strands parents be like me yelling at the leading fashion membership organization saying you've nominated the same women for several years in the in a row and there's like two and you've given the Awarded the same fucking men over and over again. Like why do you have a woman at the head of this? Who's not empowering more women or supporting them? So what do you think has to change about our industry and what can like listeners do to like make sure that the other women in the room are our brought along for the ride? It's so interesting. I feel like in a certain way. We work in close adjacent, but maybe not the same industry because Magazine Media really is run by women almost entirely. I actually realized at a certain point recently that I have never really reported directly to a man when me to exploded onto the scene. I realize how lucky I was that women were always who I was surrounded by in the workplace. And that's who I learned from. I do feel like early on it certainly felt like a bit more of a barbed ambitious kind of place where we all had to jockey because what is c Are about your industry in my industry is that there are so few positions so few opportunities, but so many women so many people who are interested in them, correct. So I think the competitive nature of our work makes it a little bit less. How should we say hospitable to General kindness towards each other right like competing brings out your worst sometimes so I would say more opportunities in general will help. It's And to do that and industries like artists that are continuing to get more efficient and have to get more in fissioned. But I think not feeling like another woman in the room means that there's one less spot for you right is key. I hope that's not the way anybody who's listening feels anymore. It has, you know, I have felt like that at certain points in my career and I certainly hope that your listeners don't have to deal with that. So what is the best part of your job in the worst part of your job? Oh, this is going to sound cheesy. It's hard to nail down a best part because I love so much of it is so fun. I am having so much fucking fun. That's awesome. It's the most fun and it's cool to see when people ask me what I do and I tell them I work at Cosmo their eyes light up because everyone knows Cosmo they don't know a different kind of Cosmo but everybody knows Cosmo and there is excited about it as I am, which is really cool. But I think right now the best part of my job is being able to come up with big exciting ideas that haven't been done before that maybe aren't in the mode of traditional magazine publishing you mentioned earlier that we're diversifying to invest in our future and that really is what we're doing. So we're thinking of events. I just had an event idea this morning. I'm excited about were thinking about products were thinking about brand extensions that aren't stretching Cosmo thin for the sake of like getting it out there but are but are what Power of this brand and how can we leverage that power in a new place that will offer benefit to our not just reader but our consumer our girl that's really exciting to me to flex a lot of different muscles. You can tell from my background to that. I like to do a lot of different things and I think my career has been marked its at least by now at this point by adapting and taking the sort of central skills of Storytelling and reaching an audience and poking an emotion and doing that in a lot of different ways depending on where I am at the particular time and teaching myself in certain ways how to do that. So being in a place now where I can Flex all kinds of different muscles at the same time is really sick. And also I love managing. I love being a manager. I love having I have this inspiring staff of Millennials and gen Z women who are so cool and confident and they have such great ideas and So I love being a manager and I love I also love to edit. So it's amazing to be in a position where I can do all of that and where I can sort of choose. Okay today. I'm going to spend my time doing this. The magazine schedule is pretty demanding. So not 24/7, right? Yeah, it really is but but being able to sort of guide where I put my focus based on what the needs are. That's really cool. My least favorite part of my job. I probably I don't get as much sleep as I I probably should my staff knows this about me and fortunately because I am the horrible person who sends the like 3 a.m. Email. Yes, they all know I hope hey guys, if you're listening, please make sure you know that they all know not to respond to me. You have to be a lot of system. I get it. Yeah. I wish there were better like email scheduling Tools in this world or slack scheduling tools because I have to do it when I'm thinking about it or when I have time, but that's probably enough. I think I'm working on time management drawing boundary is finding ways to take care of myself as a person as much as I take. So take care of myself as a as a professional and I think at this stage I'm starting to about to turn 30 3 you're so young. Oh my God. Are you starting to at this age? I'm starting to realize that me being a powerful effective professional is almost as much about me being a healthy. Z happy person that like having fun in my normal life is a valuable thing for me to come and bring back to my work. My tendency is to pour it all into the job. And as I go I'm realizing that pouring some of it into myself is really important all around totally. That's why I fantasize about the vacation. I'm going to take to do that. Yes. I'm planted yet. But at the same I never take time off. I'm horrible about that. Yeah. I've started forcing myself to just I have to like feel rejuvenated. Otherwise, I just get like Angry. Yes and bitter. Yes. So I have two questions. I like to ask all my guests probably been prepared for this. But what is one thing we'd be surprised to know about you. I cut my own hair. Oh, I know that's good. Your hair looks great. I was ready. I was looking at it before I'll say thank you. It's I do it partially because I am a Virgo. So I mean, I am a control freak, but when I was in college my mom took me to To Vidal Sassoon and she said let's let's get you a funny haircut and I told them do whatever you want and I meant it so they took me from like waist long, you know, ballerina hair you'd have to put it up in a bun. They gave me a pixie and I loved it. But holy shit. That's hard to maintain. Yeah. I didn't as a college student. I did not have Vidal Sassoon maintenance money. So I started just cutting it myself with a pair of manicure scissors. I still use that same pair of scissors. And it has probably saved me like a lot of money over the years. Hey, so yes, and the other last question I like to ask is what is one piece of advice either you come up with on your own that you can share or that someone gave you that was really valuable. I had to learn this the hard way and it's a lesson that I'm constantly reminding myself, but the my focus on perfectionism my insistence that I be perfect I think is has backfired and so many ways. Ways and has held me back. And as soon as I started to realize a couple of years ago, maybe two years ago that not only focusing on being perfect but focusing on making sure that everyone around me that my boss and that her boss and that you know, this other boss over there that they all felt like I was the perfect employee it meant that I was sort of stressing a lot about the emotional states of other people and maybe not always doing my best work. Because I was focused on doing the perfect work and I know now that there is no such thing as the perfect work and there is no such thing as the perfect employee which sounds obvious probably but it was earth-shattering once I realized it and when I started to shed that which again I'm still I'm still peeling off those layers, but when I started to do that, then I started to be Brave and Bold and to take risks and I started to get more satisfaction out of my own work my own ideas. I believed in my own ideas more because I was less focused on measuring them against what I now realize was some imaginary, you know rubric so dropping the perfectionism it's hard, but I think that's really changed my life. That's amazing. I love that. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on the corner on. Yeah, of course. That was Jessica Pals to find out more about what she's up to a cosmo. You can follow at cosmopolitan.

Things I bet you didn’t know about Cosmo: The first issue was released in 1886; It’s now the largest media brand for young women in the world, reaching 81 million readers; The current editor in chief, Jessica Pels, is a Virgo who loves to cut her own hair! Jessica didn’t always envision herself working in magazines, but she has always loved a great story. Growing up she would watch a movie, then immediately afterwards watch the full director’s cut. For a time she considered a career in film, but it was ultimately the culture of female leadership that led her to choose the path of women’s media. Now as the editor in chief, Jessica is working with her team to make Cosmo a space in print and online where readers can look not only for sex tips, but also for political, financial and career advice, seeing themselves reflected in the full spectrum of what it means to be a woman in the 21st century. Plus horoscopes! Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. [14:01] The double-edged sword of perfectionism. [26:12] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support

Okay, this is going to be your one take from the time. We press record. Okay, okay. Hey, what's up? Everybody? Welcome to another episode of Sketchbook. And today we're going to be talking stuff. I don't know what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk about the 40-day challenge we have here again or even reveal. Hi guys. I'm here with you all think sounds good. I'm just asking. Workshops for me. That's you're doing a good job man. I'll tell you that. Thank you. Good. Oh, yeah for those who don't know a lot of in this Arvin this part Akash Studios right now. He's working here. He's a business manager. That's this this position where you're literally just leave that right now. He's literally going around everything from like designing web pages to sales pages and like getting on email and phone calls and orders are amazing. Pretty much everything that you can delete it. Oh, yeah. So re-expanding we're expanding our team things are going but so far, you know, I'm learning business apparently. So yes, it will give to the topic of this episode. Okay? Yeah, so today, right? So I'm going to talk about what I call a checklist project or the checklist project and you know, I just came across this channel like I told you right we really mean have this conversation again. For the camera here, so we are very so yeah, I don't know I gave up because this challenge is so there's this guy called Andy, I don't know I don't miss exactly I think maybe while we're doing the show knows we will really give you the what is it you want so he's I don't know. He's some some self-improvement. Okay? Okay Fitness guy a something on that line. So he came up with this challenge called 75 hard challenge, right the 45-day 75. No, it's called 75 hard. Oh, okay. So the whole point of the challenge is I told you right so you need to do five things, which is you work out twice a day for 45 minutes. Then you eat exactly according to your plan. You don't cheat no cakes. No pizza. No this no sugar. No that so that's one and third thing is you need to I told you work out, right? Yeah, he needs read 10 pages every day. You need to take a picture of yourself every day that seems narcissistic word. So progress toward see the difference difference in your physique or something like that. So and what is the another thing ten pages? And drink a gallon of water every day. Yes. So so that was a challenge. I came across this thing and he had a very good reasoning to it. Right. So we've been working on since a hundred days is catching challenge, right? So it's all about the him. What was the goal of the challenge? Like why did he come to just simply to Simply build more worrisome mental fortitude? Okay. Okay, dude, really toughen things up or really? It's a sort of like Hearing yourself against something or placing some sort of resistance on top of you so that you will grow and get stronger. Right? I said am I right you remind me at 30 minutes because this fire started this is this completely and cut people so I'm going to keep this all in So, yeah, so the idea that I think he feels that you know, we even not just him sort of share the same opinion. We're all the we've sort of turned into a good big bunch of beautiful. He snowflakes culture, right? I think that's all we are. All right. Now, I feel so weak and everybody so weak and it's like God not weaken. The sense is not like physically. Yeah, you can say that things. We wanted to be the perfect picture of a vacation all the time. Yes Yes. Actually that's a good one. That's a good one. We constantly want to be in this vacation. Right? We never toughened things up and it is so I don't know if I feel I'm I feel I'm very soft right now, please. These days I feel like I've got definitely how sort of quote unquote hardened, you know over the years not for the sake of non-round the kind of fake Macho hardness say, oh that's the story sort of clarifies on that on his podcast. And this is sort of like we are being very sensitive these days to everything and I used to be very sensitive. I used to be the biggest VOC, you know guy who gets offended at literally everything I cannot live. It's someone who had a different opinion than me, right and when my grandma or my mom says something that's Politically Incorrect. I'll be in my mind, but how could they even say that then I'll fight with him for saying something Politically Incorrect. Right? Like now looking back at those things seem so fruitless. What are you going to use? It seems a stupid action or even food list. This is seems like whiny guy wanted everyone to sort of change according to my okay, and that's because that's was sort of coming from a place of you know me wanting being or something like being like you sort of on the universe to like you feel like the universe owes it to you. Ah, I have you know that I was your start up right and you're like figured out and universe is hold it I thought yeah, I thought I thought it over here. So yes, I thought I have the world needs to sort of did you know that I actually literally turned down? Freelance job a couple of years ago from popular chips company. Okay, right because it didn't align with my own value of eating healthy and at that point when I was turning that job down in my head the thought process was how could they even have this chip company there is doing so much damage to the world and it's like wait, it's not up to me to sort of decide whether that company should be that that isn't it man for that? Sure people can actually have their people are grown up. I'm sorry, they're adults they can make their own decision and they can actually probably live a life and have some cake at these side of things right to your right. So, you know, I cannot believe I used to be that person but sort of things have changed and I want to toughen myself up not for the sake of toughening myself. I want to be our have more filters for all the crap that's coming my way right on how better filter. So that's what the challenge is for. Well, I think was right in that sound if I had challenge if you fail at things you like gone. Okay, we need to start over. I don't think I can afford that one. I'm definitely sure. Maybe I can do what I need to really plan on those 75 days beforehand. But if someone if we say go to a workshop right outside City and it's gone, right? So that's why I sort of wanted to create my own Challenge and the previous episode right? I saw talked about the five days. Yeah, five daily habits for artists and like I told you a lot of people resonated with that and others even this Person, I don't know. She made a video on Instagram. I don't know a handle. She made a video on Instagram saying that she's going to take care of as a challenge and she made this board but she's got a sort of Mark things out every day. Okay, and that was like I had the exact same idea. Maybe maybe you should solve to understand the challenge. So here we are. We have the 48th day challenge. It's called the check list project. You want to tell people why we came up with that name. So the checklist project is sort of named after the book. Checklist Manifesto. Yeah, so in the checklist Manifesto, this is the author is this surgeon guy who's like the is also sort of a manager who holds the manager position in a big hospital. So this gave were like wanted to do some research on how to reduce the number of accidents that can happen and the human error that can happen in surgery rooms and all high risk situations like flight flight cabin or something like that they use on the pile. As do I and a files also have a checklist. So what he found out was like humans, we always overestimate and Ro confident about our own abilities to remember things and be rational at all situations, but psychology research shows that we are not really that rational. So so the thing will be cleared so the entire so he conducted a lot of experiments and he got in some hospitals and surgery. Homes all over the world and he tested out this theory that people should actually have a specific checklist that they need to play go through and check off during before the start of any major project. So something like a surgery they will have to even like make sure that all the Knives and Tools that they use are in order and they are in the most cleanest conditions and everything and they have to make sure that each and every single detail of the Project is in order we even before they start and start with the first the first thing with your project. So even though it might seem very simple and it might seem that you may not even need a list to do these things. You can you can say that you will you can keep all this stuff in your mind and just check it off in your mind itself. But what we found out was with doesn't we are even overconfident about those things that we can manage in our own minds. So when you actually put it down on People and we need to check it off is when you actually completely make sure that you are in order to actually start the project. So with the checklist project for creating habits, what we are trying to do is this is to inculcate the same idea in building habits in your own life. So taking that five habits thing and I actually and until you told me today I will know the checklist Manifesto is all about having a sort of checklist. At the start of each project. I thought it was very maybe we could do that for say having good days. So I used to procrastinate a lot and say a lot of my 2015 and 2016. Right? A lot of time has just gone to me wasting days. So I thought of I I sort of had to come up with a system where I made Chao I save my day so that you know, get good tastes good we could months then hopefully good years and good life, right? So that's that's the reason I add then I It came across this checklist Manifesto book and I thought we we can apply this to my life. Then I put myself wrote down a project called the checklist project and noted it down at the start of 2019. I thought I told myself. No, I'll work on this then our here or that then the right time never came, right? Okay, but right now I think is sort of maybe I think we are very good place where we can sort of start that right now. So this is the checklist project, right? So it's about five things. We're going to be going through those five things. I try actually know what as better people listen to the previous episode of the podcast, but I'm just going to quickly go over say those five things because I will be talked about those things. So these are sort of like the five things that I want to sort of do on a daily basis to sort of save my days one is here's what I'm going to do by the are you going to take up this challenge. How put you on the spot right now. I don't think so. I don't think so. Do I have any on and all right? All right. I'll ask you why why I don't know. It's not for everyone I get that. Yeah, that's why I'm not forcing you to but I'm just I just want to know things is like I have my own routine that I stick to on a daily basis and adding something new to the routine and trying to make a change something is not what I'm looking at looking to do right now. Okay. So so this is this is a project which somebody should take up when they feel directionless when they feel that. The goals that they are trying to achieve in their own daily say you have a long term goal, but your daily actions are not like leadership role. Okay long-term goal. So this is like to break down your long-term girl into our daily actionable day. So what do you like doing on a daily basis? And how is that leading up to your long-term goal that is what will help you with. So I write know how schedule and routine that I work on and it works pretty well for you is ma so It's I wouldn't say it's perfect. Wow, I thought oh I'm used to it and I don't want to make a change right now. So so even if I do take up this challenge, I wouldn't have the same five as the things that you have in your list and I I will get it back. We'll get to that part, right but he has good one. Actually you actually sort of describing me. I'm sort of Direction respect. I am actually I'm not say directionless. I feel I need these daily pointers for me to see because for me I II need have say my brain craves a lot of certainty. This is a priority setting exercise like when you don't have the exact priorities listed out. Yes, you can exactly because we we like we were working on couple of projects right now right with just say varying deadlines and other fields too chaotic for me. So I need some sort of structure in my life that I and I thought I was so there are approximately 49 to 50 days left in this year. I thought you know what, they will make the actually a rat from starting from now before team. That is exactly 49 days. Oh, it's like you go up to that December 31st. This is how I thought it was exactly exactly so, you know, so that'll be a fun challenge. So that's the idea is the idea. So yeah, so here are my five things. Right? So one is to have a a what I call a morning Kickstart. So I am just going to wake up one have do something other than checking my phone. I don't do that anymore. But ever since we just started traveling for workshops that routine sort of completely broken down right once I start traveling just things break down. So I want to I want to wake up Spence a 5 to 10 minutes either meditating or breathing. I think I want to try that with Hof method and what is very you haven't heard of the Wim Hof method. No kidding. This is sort of like a breathing pattern. I thought you know Tim Ferriss like so big on that maybe ever Dead but I don't know. Okay Iceman when cough know Jesus. Ok. Ok. I want to either try that with Hof method or I'm gonna picking up a yoga Workshop. They teach all these crazy breathing thing which just really makes me feel like good to the end of it. So either do that and this place. I want a journal for five minutes the 500 General thing right writing down stuff. I'm grateful for things. I want to do today and say spend Safe 10 to 15 minutes doing some sort of Mobility man. I've been getting really before you go to the gym. Yes, yeah. Yes because you know, I sort of noticed that I'm not doing my cool down exercises after I'm done with my baby, you know, I do you doing okay. I'm skipping one those things right? I'm just like like the Pompa is walk over this like weird. So yeah, I need to do some sort of stretching and mobility in the morning to losing myself up and you know, maybe that or go for a walk now. Alright go for a walk get some sunlight or something like that. And so that's the idea. Morning Kickstart. So how long is this morning routine? I'm going to make sure it's no more than 15 to 20 minutes. Oh because I've found that if I have a say more than 20 minutes 30 even 40 minutes. I'll never do it. Right if it's not three things. I've learned about morning routine. If it's complex Angora Lord, if it's long in got to do it, right and if it's painful in going to do it, John Peterson would say just start with making your bed. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I already do that. Actually, I've been doing that for three years consistently right now II really I go to like hotel rooms and I'm like making my better hold that yeah. There was this one time when me and my cousin we shared a room and you know, I was making my bed early in the morning and that dude was like dude. Why are you making over we're going to leave this hotel like one are so used to the smell. So yeah, I make my bed and drink water every morning. So that's that's so The automatic function so number two is to again work out every day for 30 minutes. At least I work out every day, but do the traveling thing in the workshop thing completely threw me of and why wasn't I have over the itís like you got written the thing down as like workout right? He's written it down his move. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. So why is it not? Why didn't you like just cut it down to just lifting weights and something wise move. No Movin sense movement, I think. I think more than working on more than training the body craves movement, you know some form of movement in terms of walking running hiking doing slows crazy. What he said is the new trend. What is that animal movement thing, right, you know you doing doing all those things move in different fashion. Sometimes I like to walk just walk lately. I've taken a running on like continues running. I'm really bad at that like third training for 60 seconds then like walking for two minutes. Look for 60 seconds walking for 2 minutes 30 seconds. Actually to be honest. What is your weekly routine like is how many cocktails and this is the planets so I'll be I'm going to take up a yoga workshop on 21st and 22nd and 23rd. Okay. So what I want to do is I'm going to be lifting three times a week write our program. I'm not even exactly following this program just like using couple of compound movements like getting the lifting for that. Particular day and getting out like I did for that. I did OHP today and I did you know Rose and I did tricep pushdowns and I walk and some Facebook's and I walked out of this room. So it felt really good actually. So I'm going to do that and the other days I want to walk run or definitely do yoga after that Workshop, you know, let's say idea and even during that 10-minute morning stretching Mobility, then I'll probably replace that with the yoga things that I'm learning so Dan so that's the plan right now. Well, what do you do? What's your thing right now? Like I'm just following the king of body lower body routine routine that yeah. Okay cool that so that word is Eat Right according to my goals, whatever it may be. I've been cutting like for like so long I've dropped from 85 to 77 right now. Okay, so that's like a 8 kilo drop for the past six months, but slow, I feel good, but I think I crave more food these days and I'm so skinny and I feel so I don't know. I'm not feeling good. So I'm going to be like on maintenance. I haven't exactly thought this out but I need to make sure I need to put it down on camera so that people know what I'll be doing. So I here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to be eating around either doing some sort of recomposition thing. By the way, for those people who are hearing these terms don't guess cat. See I'm sort of deep into in a health and fitness, right? So I'm sort of used to it. So I track the food that I eat. And I am used to counting my calories, but but I'm thinking right. Okay, I need to make a decision right now. I'm thinking just probably I just not eat crap right like junk food like sugar, but I don't know 40 it is like too long. That's like the starting point like yeah, you can eat junk like once a week. Oh, I like you like you do. Okay, you know what? Okay, how do that fight? I'll I'll make sure you do say that. Did you start your like being conscious about what you eat? When you start paying attention to her, you know, it's been over a year and a half but I've been consistently tracking macros and calories and things like that for past six months. Okay, from what from a young age, you used to other staple Indian diet with a lot of yeah lot of rice lot of rice carbs. So I'm a vegetarian right less protein if I'm not careful with what I'm eating or the way I'm eating my food. Things go south very quickly because it was just too much carbs and too much but you do feel a difference real like when you're eating healthy, like you do feel a lot more energetic for sure is always feel like I just literally just cut out sugar, right? Yeah, why particular day I just feel sugar and combat simple carbohydrates even white rice barely works. So well with me if I just cut out say wheat and any other form of simple carbohydrates and just replay my sugar with fruits. It's with fiber right lot of fiber my days go really really bad. I'm figured you know what guys? Okay, I'll make my ACT final diet commitment in terms of what I want to do on an Instagram post and I'll make sure I follow that will make save some more like a sort of like a bi-weekly update on the whole challenge. So you do that so that so that's one deep work is the next one which is perform five to eight blocks of 30 minutes. Each of deep work for Madero, Pomodoro Technique, I think. But I find myself putting myself through a schedule like that. I find myself Purdue producing a lot of work on a consistent basis. So you can you can actually tell them about how we use the stopwatch in yes. Yes, so right so I don't I don't set a timer for 30 minutes. What I do is I set a what do you say or stopwatch? Yes stopwatch. You just turn it on and let that thing run and whenever I feel like taking breaks, I'll take break. I'll stop the watch then walk and things like that the other time I just do it. So I think the recommended thing is to like get up every 30 minutes do something right that's recommended. But and I'll probably do that but I'll make sure I'll say get same minimum of two and a half hours of quality deep work everyday fight above Stephen only four hours. So I think that's a good amount to shoot for every single day. So are not every single day every week day. I need to mention that every weekday. So Saturdays and Sundays are off. I want to replace that with say longer workouts walks drawing. So things like that, so that that thing alone I think sort of right deep work. What I have recognized. His work is a two-part equation where you want is doing and second part is interesting. Hmm, right? So you consider the resting part of our also is as part of my work. Yeah, you know like doing something say yeah, probably, you know, every other weekend, I'll allocates a two and a half hours to for us do something that's completely unrelated to work. I'll go out. Out maybe we'll see how that works. I don't have a hobby right? Maybe I should pick up a hobby do something else. Yeah, something like badminton. Yeah. Yeah, but that's so cliche. I'll probably take up a hobby because I read this book called Rest by Alex sujung Kim Pang. I think I'm murdering same so sorry, I guess books called rest the rest by Alex. Yeah, wonderful book where he talks. About the idea right takes 10,000 hours to sort of get good at a craft and he comes up with he says that it's a it's an incomplete sentence or an incomplete formula, which is it takes 10,000 hours of deep work $12,500 of deliberate dressed then some some 14,000 hours of sleep to actually attain Mastery. So that's what he meant. He says rest is actually a very big part of work, so That's the idea. That's the idea. And the first thing is very simple read 10 pages a day. And that's what I'm going to do three temper you have I've been slacking off on my reading thing have a lot of books which I've bought and not read so I'll be doing that. So that's that's what I do. You have Pages asked click the row is to either go on the Milestone one. Let's instead of time. Yeah one is its tangible time is okay and we love are you to read for 30 minutes? Sometimes you stay on one page 413 That events. I know I know right. I know that I don't want to do that. So I'm just going to like read 10 pages a day and just just make sure I focus on muscle though. There are no breaks in any of those things right the morning kick-start the moving the eating except for the Deep work, which is sort of like sort of like a 7-Day thing. But this we do it five days. The two days is sort of like a rest during ten Pages a day. I just told that from that 75 hater hard challenge, you know, I'll retain page City and we felt good though. No, I have a never schedule in learning right maybe this could be that thing. So that's the deal. So that's what are those are the things that I'm going to be doing. If you were to do it right? I'm not saying you should do it. Yeah, if you want to do it if you picked up say five very simple things, you know, just to maybe even to motivate these people. What would you pick? I would surely pick something to do with my the skills that I'm working on. Not only so I would surely have daily practice of Well, I like working on my nerve actions. Okay, sketching forces or parents also getting closer look very important for animation production animation as well. So that will be one skill that I have to practice every day. So I will have a practicing figures. Yes practicing figure drawing software like not like very deep very serious figure drawings that yesterday. So I will build that into the practice and also I would I have a lot of tutorials backed up that I have not watched so I will have 30 30 minute block set of learning for watching the tutorial that I have that I have very high those tutorials on some on skillshare and some I've downloaded which is given right so those tutorials and so so none of them are pirated just say yeah bought and downloaded so I have some courses that It will show these two are part of the part of the skill development. But for one is practice. The other one is gaining knowledge. So so these two I will act and the eating part. I think I'm very happy with the diet that I haven't you already follow. The slow carb diet is still very stops low carb diet. So I wouldn't want to build an extra habit on my diet. So I wouldn't do that right, but I would show surely have my but since I don't know how why exercises like something new for you, but EX Sizes like always existed for yours or for me, right? No, I do slack off a lot. Okay. Okay when it was most days right I get like five ten fifteen minutes of just very light exercise and of Allah today. I know it's better than nothing. But it's this time. I sort of go from the simplest easy ways of doing things to slightly to the next level of say, okay, not the getting consistent any minute sir. I want to see how that affects my body composition. I wanna see I wanna see That thing works and one more thing about deep work that I wanted to say. Yeah Depot be also something that I've been fascinated by sincerity and Link. Usually what people think when they try to be productive and try to improve the productivity and they're always like try to squeeze every single second that is there in the 24 hours. So even I had the same notion until I read that book so and it was such a huge like it will reduce a lot of weight in your mind when you read that. At all you need is like three or four hours of your day. Yes doing the work, right and I see you also write like I've been working with you for few months right now and I've seen you up close how your work schedules and if you like, we will that like like other young age you achieve so much right and all that is like this. We will not like put you yourself like torturous over and singular like very cool and you work at your own pace and you build everything from scratch on your own from your teenage and you've been working on this so Also sets an example that what is achievable through like easygoing work. So properly structured work with say three to four to five hours every day. That's why that's just what I do write every single day just so I would say the best habit if there is at least one habit that you guys are take up in the challenge. It should be the deeper challenge VAR D work should be the most important part that you have to you guys should take up so read about deeper waters deep work. It's completely unrestricted work that has to be Be put in every day to make yourself do quality work right produce quality work actually. Yeah you even even I sort of had for a long time right? I thought I need to be working say for every day like yeah you in the chakra that guy. Yeah, a lot of things right we compare ourselves to this Collective idea of who everybody is so when we when we compare ourselves on Instagram, right? This is what I was thinking about today this morning. So when Comparing myself to my Instagram feed I'm not just comparing myself to one artist. Yeah, but I'm comparing myself to this Collective individual who is just a composition of all the artists out there on Instagram. So I'm literally me against the world. Yeah, correct. So I'm comparing myself to Gary Vee and couple of thousands of other people I care about and I thought we didn't even working 16 hours a day or you should you're not going to be building something. That's that amount no monster in anything in life, which was severely and are saying he says that and also he's very he's very good on clarifying those stuff like that, but I thought I need to be working 16 hours a day until you know, I sort of realized that you don't have to you just need to make safe progress good quality amount of progress every single. I think that kind of an ocean right that actually comes up with because we are very competitive and I feel to beat the other guy you you'll have to find Some extra time somewhere exactly and you start us start cutting down on your wrist stuff like that. Anything that is going to make a difference which actually works in the reverse. Oh, yes. Oh, yes, and and in terms of using time as a Competitive Edge these days I'm using myself my likes and dislikes a sort of the Competitive Edge. Okay, I'm asking myself. OK what are the things that I would sort of do the nobody else would probably do and that instant, you know is sort of like a better way instead of just putting in more time and more times like this is a never-ending. Your Unique Style Style exactly exactly something something something. I'm not sure. So yeah, why did we know what you talked about in your Workshop? Huh? Like you talked about this specifically rate. Oh, yes joining your thing. They are not asking you as a person for or what organized and all they dislike. Yeah, and then we yesterday we had a girl who likes dogs music pizza, right pizza or something else and she likes to a she likes a surprise. Told and as to what a name was, she said I knew I knew I knew porno porno. I think I think I'm not shocked amateur. She and I told her that there's going to be there's never going to be a person in Indian girls 19 years old named on the phone. I was gonna like dogs cats pizza and guitar and my not supplies at the same moment so that it could be someone pretty close but not in that exact combination with the particular experiences of that person, which is going to make my make them completely unique. So this has to be or Khan Competitive Edge. Yes. Yes something really unique voice that yeah having sort of going all in on yourself like that dude. Are you sister? Okay as a very simple way to actually stand out right like you go all in on yourself, then all of a sudden you're not playing against everybody you're sort of creating your own category that sort of helping things out and I think that's what I'm trying to do these days. So, yes, let's talk about why we are doing this challenge quickly. To so one. I have noted these things down. I get like I told you right to save my days for procrastination laziness and just throwing things around this is I just waste a lot of my days and are forced to build discipline and character now I hesitated on putting this line on my Castle Post to build discipline. I don't think every even when I go to the workshop some people look at me and say dude, you're very disciplined us like cannot discipline and this being selective about things where I need to be disciplined at, you know, I read in a book called The one thing which he talks about how discipline is sort of self-discipline is sort of a myth rather people build selective discipline and things meaning certain people are good at safe. If I have to draw every day I can do that. But if I have to run every day, I cannot write I'm not built for that in a professional athlete who's a good runner might be able to do that, but he cannot draw everyday, right? So I'm good at one thing and I've built selective discipline and one thing but the other person have sort of build a selector discipline different things. For example, me and my trainer, right? He is good at tracking his food. He's good at eating very clean very need according to his calories and everything's every day. Right if I ask him to create something every day is going to struggle. Yeah, but me right Amber if I have to create something every day, I can do that. But if I have to say track my food eat my character is according. Tuna my thing my requirements I'll say okay. I cannot be perfect at those things. So, you know, that's what I meant by Bill selective discipline and character, you know good character and of course snowflakes snow whether this meme of the have you seen that Toy Story thing right where Buzz holes Woody on an altar. He says things everywhere, right so many everywhere being right. So I'm just saying snowflake snowflake. Dude, we're getting offended by everything and that pisses me off so much see even people getting offended. I'm being offended right? I need to stop that right? I need to sort of build the more Bill more mental toughness is what people say about shot, you know being able to handle more. You know tough choices in life. Some things are not things are not going to go your way all the time. Do not want everything to change around you always yeah, that is one thing and also some things you're just handed down, you know some some part of things are just those are the things that you are given in life and you probably cannot change them and you just have to deal with it and maybe instead of being whiny about it right? Maybe you can own that fact and just Move water, right? Exactly, right. So that's that's the idea mental toughness and fortitude. Is it sort of like people need to sort of clarify things between being tough and being Macho right being Macho is putting on a fake Outlook and just puffing up your chest and walking right? That's that's not on talking about rather. I'm sort of sauce saying brain Gym training for your brain right going to the gym making your brain lift. It's you know until your brain will get stronger something like that. That's the idea and of course to the ideas of this challenge to start something you learn to finish things. I'm on this mini quest of everything that I'm starting. I want to be able to finish those things put them out ship them practice the art of shipping. That's the idea behind this whole Challenge and why is it that's why it's so punishing about leg missing or tails and yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't do that. Right so we don't have that. At strict of rule bit but I'm going to make sure I follow it like every 99% of it but there is going to be a hindrance right because this challenge starts on 14th. My mom's having surgery on 15th, right? So, I don't know how I'm going to get my deep work in that day home when I will get my workout in that day and I need to find something to you. Nobody on that particular day. She's gonna have surgery on the evening. Nothing serious. She's going to be okay though. So, I don't know how I'm going to do that dude on that day, but that's part of the challenge, right? It'll find a way to make that happen, but it's going to be actually that's going to be quite the character testing moment for me. Right? So yeah, probably probably that's what so the idea is to never miss a day. And once you set yourself some rules five rules, never break it follow those rules to a t so that means so you set some good amount of room for yourself to work with in that role, right? So that's the idea and never miss. It's a day if you miss a day, it's fine. But make sure you never miss two days on a particular habit. If you must miss a two days on any of the particular habit, that's it. You're done you start over some simple as that and it's supposed to be hard. It's so that's the idea behind this challenge. It's supposed to be hard and learning to be able to do hard things and being okay with that fact is sort of that that values something that I'm not of To train myself to do on this Challenge and one question like is necessary that it should be five habits in voting or can it be like for actually five is good. Okay, it should be fine. It should be five seven five things. It doesn't or not. All five should be big drinking a gallon of water is very simple here, right so it can and taking a progress picture every day is very simple that's doable. So I think any any any five things that you saw it's sort of a good thing and there's even this thing in In in in in our culture right where we there's this thing called. I open diksha, you know that the Malaga right? So there's this thing this is ritual support e8d original and they've added this this OD same beads. Okay these bees and this is sort of like the religious thing. They do it for a particular God and during that phase of 49 days. They practice certain virtues, which is the Wake up at 4 o'clock and they sleep on the floor and they write the simplest of goats. They're not allowed to say bad. Like very complicated. They can the work they do needs to and they never fat food for and you know, they that they do certain other things that were there will be strict and control no meat right you you just go full full vegetarian right there. And and what else you you you pray? Every day write something like that. So it's a sort of okay that idea is not turn yourself into this religious Kyle, but the idea is to sort of prior to practice certain virtues and values and at the end of the 49 days. They walks a couple of hundred miles, you know and climb mountains to go to that particular Temple and you know pray for that day and the idea is you're sort of building yourself a character the you know through the process of going through And I'm also I usually do that every year, you know, I usually do that every I couldn't do it last year, but I'll be doing that this year too. So that's where I got that 48 Day idea from so it's called one month Allah in our culture, right Mantra is a period And I think it's a good time frame between say 30 days and 60 or 90 days to form some sort of a habit. So I felt good last time when I did it. So this was the idea behind it sort of like a non-religious version of that particular, right? I mean, so that's the idea. So that's what I want to do man. 48:40 48 days. Yeah 48 days of yeah. This project is called the checklist project. You guys can actually know do it along with me. Are you gonna do it? I'll take a particular things and dude. Don't don't let me sort of a and not let you slam. Yeah, no not least now. I don't know. I'm not going to start off. I'm telling you don't let me force you to take the shot. Okay. Okay. Well, I don't know I don't do it alone. Yeah, I don't like even if I take a while not take up like five things I think. Okay. I'll try like I have I think it's a very good say a structure for you to take up any kind of habit. Yeah, we have it. So yeah, I have certain things that like the sketching happened today talk to you about brush a not very consistent at all. So I would like to take that up and how do you use any of this? Are you gonna take it up? You're going to comment or What are you gonna say? What are you gonna do? I think I need a little bit more thought but I don't have the five things. So I don't know if I can take it up heisting a checklist project. So if you do take it up Arvin you guys go for our Revenue will announce it on his Instagram if he takes it up - right and you can follow also see how I handle a decode ER K DK ODI. Okay, Harry Corey art on Insta. So if he takes it up, he's gonna announce it over there and make sure you guys that he you know, he commits to it and boo does it but you asked other sauce. Report straight to that. Yes, guys. Yeah. So if you are taking up this is the primary idea behind the challenge is for me to do it. And if you are going you guys are going to take this up post it under the hashtag the checklist project on Instagram. And you know, this is going to be fun right the checklist project on Instagram and an arrow had the end of 49 days. I'm sure I'm going to get a good feeling out of this thing I used to do is challenges right me and my friends quietly self-improvement nuts. I wanted to friends attending college friends apparently two people doesn't want to just drink all day and fool around the whole day. They won't actually make something out of things. Right? So don't we all ganged up together? And we did do this challenge you are we sort of walk everyday do some deep work and it went horribly bad, but we did something I something is better than nothing. Nothing exactly. Exactly. So yeah, this is going to be I'm going to hit this are immoral of this. So it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. All right, cool and anything else that we want to talk about nothing else. So you just challenge starting on the 14th. Yes. We're starting on November 14th, November 14th. This is the more the merrier. So the more the merrier. Yeah and you guys can keep each other motivated stay and to stay in the project together, right? He is his land it. Right here right in a lot of us a lot of us. I'm talking mostly about myself actually, you know a lot of this sort of, you know, not do things. We tell ourselves that we do things. We set ourselves goals plans projects that we want to do and we never follow through on them. Right and then the and also we slack off a lot. We're lazy we procrastinate and when we are To be doing something we're not doing that without doing something else definition of procrastination, right and for us we need some sort of a slap in the face. And I know I'm being very not very nice about it. Right but I don't I don't lie. We all want things to be nice. Right? We all want things and expect things to be nice. We want the world to be this happy-go-lucky place with you know, puppy dog. Eggs and tootsie rolls and stuff like that and and I think maybe maybe that we need to probably wake up to certain realities instead of expecting others to be nice for us. Maybe it's our armor. That is too weak to you know, handle the realities of things instead of maybe trying to change certain realities which cannot be changed due to be better if we sort of work on ourselves. And create better filters for things to come in and go out maybe that that might be helpful. So that's the biggest reason I need a slap in my face and and I need to wake up wake up and do things that's the idea. That's the idea behind this whole Challenge and if people relate to the that particular feeling they can do like you said, I do sort of feel directionless most of the time but I'm getting used to it. Is it like directionless because of there is a lot of choice in the direction that yeah, the club is a lot of choice. There are there's another kind of direction list where they have absolutely no choices. I know I know I know I'm very lucky right? I'm so grateful. He's is weirdly I do have my problems in life like or Encore problems, but I'm thinking like damn those are not like problems. If you look at the grand scheme of things, right? Those are good problems to have good problems. Okay. Certain things are not exactly trust me. I will talk to a certain things, right they are not current good good, but there are good challenges for me to have they have really shaped me as a person in terms of the my thinking abilities and and things like that. What was I saying? Yeah, so so I've been very grateful these days for stuff that I have. I do have a lot of directions lot of projects that I want to do, but I don't have say I get because of the way I Built I get really really icky when things get uncertain rest. So I need to build my habit of being okay with you know, being uncertain at the things then I am I am. I have a very hard time sticking to one particular project for a very long time. That's why we do these courses and say in a short span of time and this print of fashion because it's hard for me to sort of have a very long deadline and go through the whole thing. So I need to actually You be okay with that if I want to put out good meaningful work because those things I want to take time and he'd be okay with the uncertainty that loop with the roller coaster of that project. So, yeah, so yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing school. What is the day after the 48? They supposed to be like oh like you decide so so you had a taste for 48 days of winning days your you know, what the 49th day is supposed to be like is it like yeah. Is that how I don't know actually go through this thing. Someone told me rice / Mentor told me you know, this is regarding this Indian thing that I opened the sure thing. He'd see set don't mind if I get a bit religious are not trying to do that right now, but he's a God is not a person God Is A Verb not a noun it's a verb. So what are you doing during those forty eight days is not you're trying to pray for God. You're trying to be God. All right, so that's what you sections. Yeah you Your actions define who you are godliness is they say cleanliness is Godliness life something as little as cleanliness can be godliness. Then the good qualities of human being can we got it, right? So that's the idea and if you do dinner five times, right, you do those 48 day thing enough times over a year's over say 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 20 years eventually that will that will be a point where you would be like, I don't even need to do the 40 mph. HIV is a new normal. Yes. Exactly. That's the good word right The New Normal then you do something else. It's a project has a lot. It's a lifelong project. Yes. So this is went really deep godliness. Hashtag got so far. Taking the myself great then hopefully I hope you all had a good time listening to us talking about deep deep subjects. Hope you guys take this challenge. No, actually no, I don't hope you guys take this boot if you want to but I don't care if you do it or not. So so yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going shopping documenting it. Yes. I'm going to be documenting. I'm even thinking of I just decided this morning. I want to be I'm going to document it literally on video, right? You know, I should probably do that. Oh, yes. It's on video. I know already right so I'll probably make a mini documentary out of it pull up on YouTube because we have a new YouTube schedule, right? Yeah. So yeah cool. We'll do it. So at the end of the first week or second week of January, there will be a documentary called or the checklist project. Yeah, very nice little we nice super awesome. Great day. See you guys after 48 days, bye-bye.

Alrighty! Time for another challenge. We have approximately 48-50  days left this year and I'm going to make the most out of it. . . My post on '5 daily habits for artists' resonated with a lot of people. And I felt I needed something to make this into something actionable. Hence 'the checklist project'. 5 habits, 48 days, starts Nov 14th. The goal is to build a sustainable daily ritual that helps my practice and to give myself a challenge that tests me. This podcast explains my reasoning behind this whole thing. . Aiming for a productive end to 2019. I'll be sharing my journey through  Instagram and if you want to do this yourself. Try it out and see if it works for you :) .................................................................. Skeshbook is a podcast on art & creativity where we explore interesting everyday ideas,   gain new insights and grow a little better every  day, one step at a   time. Brought to you by Kesh, with friends dropping in every now and then. Join us in our sketching expedition on this audio canvas to make something meaningful! Links: Website YouTube Instagram 100 Days of Sketching Instagram Page - Curation of artworks from those who take up the challenge.

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Whoever that is the Marvel TV weekly Starts Now You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now let them go. Yes, welcome to Marvel TV weekly which looks suspiciously like the legion after-show panel. I'm Kristen biot joined as always by the lovely and talented Z Anderson. I'm still thinking these you know as we talked about me sometimes don't don't get used to it that as we mentioned last week you and I met on the legion after yeah, we did and I bullied you into joining the show and it's a full year over. Your layer every year later and here I am Holy every week. We hate each other a little bit more just a little bit but that serves of course the wonderful Alana Jordan. Hey, that's me and over on the couch. We have David's Angels We Have Heard on the couch right now Kathy. Well, what do the framing you guys had to say right next to each other, which is amazing. I am too and those this life. Jeff Williams jr. I think is important to say not to confuse with Ray Parker jr. I thought you're gonna say my dad but there's two we could get one more on the couch anyway so much to talk about but mostly Legion and all honesty. It's there. What's up a lot of Legions. There's a lot of the job. So many We Are Legion there. Well, yes, we are shockingly G. We have all gotten to talk about what we thought about the legion finale and if you didn't watch To the legion after show you probably don't need to because we're going to kind of just say all the same things. No, we're going to rehash a little bit more but xia I would like mostly out of curiosity. I would like to know just your overall thoughts on the episode the series finale and if you how you feel it did as a punctuation mark on the end of the series it was interesting. I liked it. I found myself through a lot of like Parts in the show or in the episode being like Oh my God, I really love this show and there are so many reasons in this episode. Why I love this show but it was kind of anticlimactic as far as a finale goes. It's not it's not what I was expecting and I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing yet. I'm honestly still thinking about it. I didn't see it going that way the way that it went with farook was not only didn't. Yeah, it was not at all what I was thinking. I think none of us saw it going that way right? You know you guys talk about Feelings and emotions and then nothing about it for a little bit. Well that makes one of us enjoy the music part. I actually wrote in my notes here that I so I hate if anyone that knows me knows that I hate musicals hate them hate them all. I will not watch musicals. I haven't seen any of the Disney live-action remakes because there's so much singing craps, whatever you seen. Thank you cartoons, and they do but child and then I got to a certain age probably might like emo teen aged fans. Like the socks and I just never grew out of it. You know what you suck but the Green Day the musical there's a musical for every topic but you would definitely love Book of Mormon. I have no doubt. So I was saying that I don't like I don't like musicals Book of Mormon is fine because it's hilarious, but I enjoy the music scenes in the show so much. I mean partly because it's like every single one is Pink Floyd, so Right can't hate it. So to that for for that, it's awesome. So I actually really enjoy that and I think that I don't know how you've because I haven't done the show with you. How do you feel about the rap battle? It was it was entertaining like it was it was fun. It was light but like I want more action. And so I mean I enjoyed that one more than the regular than the last the season finale song. Okay good because like it was entertaining. It was light. It wasn't long. It wasn't a whole song. We got the whole song in season finale. And also by the way, I have that episode with the rap battle Elena also like that episode xia like that episode. You're the only people I know who that is. That's why you have to be The next to each other happy Campbell have a rap battle later really battle you guys. I'll tell you why you're wrong. What are you gonna say happycabbie? Well, I was just going to say they like represent the carries right now. Yeah, they're very young girl carries young and I'm old Carrie. I got it. That's fine. I'm in a wheelchair all Vermilion. Let's be honest kind of like kind of conduit Diaz said though about Pink Floyd. I'm not a huge fan of it only because I just haven't heard a lot. I mean, I think I have heard their music but it just is never like a hundred percent clicked with me, but I did love how they tied in Pink Floyd to David's story. Like that is some Artistry right there. I thought it was amazing how they were able to put each song to like the exact right moment in the show the lyrics to mother which was the In the series finale it fits. So well as we talked about on the region after show to the extent Alexa, you actually thought that that was an original so you just did yeah. I didn't know the song I was like, oh, it's this works. Well, I guess this moment I guess they wrote it for and they're like no, it's Pink Floyd. He's like however is on number two best-selling record of all time, but that's besides the point, but it's I think it's interesting that it fits so well. Because you just want to talk like obviously the song wouldn't have existed because it's a speak so much to it. But they're the Pink Floyd just sort of overtones throughout the series is the sort of thing that always had me feeling what I've talked about many times on this show the legion after-show and also on Marvel movies. I'll talk about it anywhere. I'll talk about it when the camera's not on about what I didn't want this finale to be David back in the pilot sitting there in the mental hospital and it was all in his head the whole time. Okay, they didn't do that, but I didn't but God. God they didn't but they with her with her name being sit there and and having a lot of that a lot of the I know you said think it kind of close to it. No, it wasn't as bad as what you say but was still like and at least happened but then this was like it was like yeah, but then he got a hard reset, you know, it's like when they wake up and live their new life into within a snow globe. They just didn't tell you that part. So it's not time travel into anything. There's a large. Chance that's not going to go anywhere good. You know what? I mean? I just feel like time travel doesn't it's just very hard Concepts not going to enjoy Avengers and game when you get every I feel like I can't say anything because I one of my favorite shows in the world is is all time travel doctor do with time travel is bad back to the Futures one of my favorite series of all time and it's you know revolves around time, but I feel like I'm sorry gotta go back and look for Mom that changes. Yeah, I know but you know, it's just like hit or miss with time. So here's so Back To The Future Doctor Who those are both things that day one you're dealing with time travel when time travel is added in a little bit later The Avengers and game and yes, I'm mostly saying this to annoy Ryan in the booth, but it's true lost when you start dealing with time travel and Everything but you didn't think out your time travel and I think Avengers endgame the the time travel is infuriating. But and as we don't need to explain what Marvel movies Alexa has seen because the last time she was on the show. We did wait a few enemies. Yeah, they did not make it not like the original. Yeah. She's like the first one. Yeah, I'm good. No, it's just there's I don't know. It just kind of lost its team for me avenge some stuff. I don't need This continues I got a little burnt out on the superheroes 23 movies like so if when the first Iron Man came out, it was like so everybody you're going to see that just so you know, there's me twenty two more times. You have to see after this. I think some people would have been like them from that. I'm just you know, I'm just not think so. I think people just be like no I just won't see those then and then I'll see some of the ones that I feel like my wife still hasn't seen dr. Strange because she's like, yeah, she's like I get it. She saw him that I would go back and like why watch all of them twice like and after having already seen them when they come out like marathoning them which by the way, I just don't recommend because eventually by the end of it. You're like, I'm going crazy. Yeah that I don't watch Doctor Strange. They're like what? We're in Ragnarok in The Avengers movies and he is in his own movie. I agree with thank you like you have the character figured out and by the way, his American accent drives me so crazy. I don't know why he's not breaking half of the bridge. There's no reason for him to be an American. It's name is Doctor Strange. You'll just change the British dialect you just do you say let's give dr. Strange a hand. It was informed because he has you didn't even say that it was a very subtle punch. No one God and it went over great. So we went over like a Led Zeppelin was a little shaky that led me. You're welcome to get back into Legion soundtracks. One of the first season did they? Yes, they have a lot of different sampling is very expensive. That's why you heard Immigrant Song twice in Thor Ragnarok because they had to spend so much. It's like what were you playing it twice? Jeff only concerns movie and movies. There's a lot that you can skip like you can get Thor one, although are you talking skips or one? Yes, no, no. No. No, I understand. Thor to we're talking like we're lowering our standards Ian drums start to that's unfortunate but there's some better origin are there some worse origin stories. I feel like for Doctor Strange he's a dynamic character. There's visuals you got to see for that movie. I would not recommend skipping that especially after seeing Avengers you get to see some of his powers but like the whole thing, dr. Strange is definitely not one. I would I would Skip over Doctor Strange is on Netflix do so. It's like just watch it's like now have it on the background right where you can watch it now just watch it. It's easy easy peasy have a lot. That's not like I don't want to say anything. So I wanna spoil anything for you. There is just not going to see it though. So it's not true what you've learned something in every conduct the in doctor strange that you're like, why don't you apply this later on this is infuriating and I think we all know what I'm talking about elections. Arms, this is big enough that people who understand will go. Yeah, but like it's like these are just nouns and game. I still have I just have to watch. Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry. That is the end game is the sorry. I caught up to Infinity War. I still have to watch and game right? Well, you'll have to take that fork to see the whole movie. It's not short. It is quite a long film. But anyway, I'm travel and also music there's so much. More to talk about in terms of the Legion series finale but first xia Bastille Dale Anderson has this important message I do. Hey guys, I don't like the way you're staring at me. 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I got really I mean, that's why I married him. Let's be honest. So that's probably why he wears headphones a lot just because he's like, he's just nodding along and I'm just like and and that ending like oh, God and he's like, yeah totally so we're there specific things Z about the legion series finale that just flat out like no that did not work for me or was it just more of a general? Like now I am I like people in the comments for the final episode of the after-show thought that us saying we've collectively said we all wanted more we all want to know wanting something more is not an opinion. I'm like, well, it's the opinion we have idiot. Give us your comment, but don't let them be stupid if they're stupid or stupid. I don't want to 5 star rating. The first 30 seconds is like oh they just want more. I just I think that the show has attracted a certain kind of, you know, obvious audience and it and they all read very deep like in between the lines, you know, the viewership here is just it's it's you're either cerebral and can understand this kind of thing or you're like, what did I just watch and if you're like, what did I just watch you have long the Train by now. I'm expecting X-Men like 90s cartoon. Or the 70s comic book like I'm wearing. Yeah, you're not going to get that and that's that was another comment. It's like well just because it wasn't just like the comic books doesn't mean it wasn't good. No it doesn't it. Just also wasn't what we wanted. I think even if it ended in the same way, but after a big fight I wouldn't be like perfect. I think X-Men you think battles. We just didn't really ever get a battle. I wanted 12 episodes. I wanted a dozen episodes. I wanted like if we're gonna have like I you guys Did the tangent with Buddy for more episodes I would have been okay with exactly. Yeah, see, I agree with you guys so much. We talking we were talking about this last time if you think we're right then continue, but I was like I need more anymore. I needed a battle like we were talking about this on the last episode. We are watching it. I got a song. I got some hugs at the end. I got so much crap that I didn't want that loves to show that there was Is that wanted to action? I wanted to see David go full-on villain because that's how they let him up to be. Don't give me this crap at the end Switcheroo hug from my dad. I'm a nice guy now and then Switcheroo my old self. Tell me to be nice. So guess what? I would be nice. No don't don't sell me on how is this appointed before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. 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Yeah two credits and then it's like oh, hey battles on except for nah, man, let's not let's we got G and beer and just chitchat and Charlie are just gonna basically tailgate. Just let you know like there was no like oh was there any sort of anxiety? Like will there be a battle later on? Is there any tension and he's like now we're all cool. Good man. I'm sorry. Yeah, I was going to say the show does such a great job through the last three seasons of balancing the action and the violence with the cerebral part of the show. And I think that they just didn't quite do that in this last episode. I actually don't hate what they did with Farooq. I don't it was it's not what I saw coming it was it was very that was a departure from the cotton on with the comic book character but in the cartoon as well, like that's just not at all what I was expecting. So I did not hate that I disagree with you guys. I think they could have done something more with it. They could have made even if it was more of a visual battle as opposed as opposed to it being like like very violent you could have done something with that like there was that point and it was this I think it was season one or season 2 where they had that fight was all the colors and it was yeah. It was very comic that was so cool. They could have Something along those lines, but it was just kind of I would have been here for it. Yeah whirring say Alexa. I also really wanted more of an altercation or something between Charles Xavier and David. I wanted that to come to health like I wanted the dad think Dad, uh my own mulling about his dad the whole show and how his dad left him and then what he just gets a hug from his dad and everything's okay, and he's a good person now and it's fine. I I just wanted something there. I think I wanted what I wanted to happen. Was David and Xavier go in to try to fight farooq's plural and then maybe Xavier turns on David which causes David to just have this like Legion meltdown where he destroyed we finally see like the extent of his power because but I don't think we ever really saw him like hit his yeah. Whoa, like, oh my God. This guy is a throw. Yeah, he's almost as powerful as Iceman believe it or not. Hyped up like it was gonna be this big thing. It was just so cuddly like it seemed like they were like get ready for like epic myth battle like psych. We actually took Molly we're just gonna wait for episode 8 before the first day of shooting the studio came over like so listen you guys burn through the whole budget for the season. So yeah, we don't we can't do any effects Aubrey Plaza's out she's doing Suleiman Gordon sound been in the end of next remember that she was here and it was like a clip of her from Parks and Rec. Yeah, it wasn't even from the show like asking Andy for help and they were like Starlet but it was basically I think if we'd had a moment where like everybody's like oh Farouk, you're a good guy now. All right everybody and if we'd seen like I don't know like the angry boy behind him sort of like lurking in the shadows or maybe like one of those very knowing like evil eyes or something where it's like, oh, yeah. No, he's He's just messing with them because that's that's what I was expecting all episode. And then we didn't get it. I'm like, oh so the Shadow King is just a big cuddly panda bear now, so I read some comments of some viewers of our episode and and then goodbye clearly these ones had your name and I know most people think I've rocked. Okay. No, but Farooq, they said something about how he said something about like I want will you? Back to me when we won't destroy the world together or something like that. What do they say take control? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's a very valid Vilnius thing to say, so I don't think he's you know turned a new Leaf. I think he still Farooq. He's just letting David go so that he can eventually come back to him. You know what I mean? Like, yeah seems like a lot of it was just they could be like look at our cool visual of like these sunglasses but like with a projector and have you like what a creative thing that we did mean it was pretty cool. It was really cool. And I was like, okay, I do really like Like this, but also my problem was timeline-wise. It doesn't make sense. It's like the same thing with like Harry Potter where you're like, okay, so wait a minute. So Dumbledore was just like nice wear a suit and for like years and years and out of nowhere was like I'm old now, I'm crazy. I was like, wait a minute. He's like 2,000 years old and he's like I've known this kid for 20 years and you know what the 20 years has changed. Yeah, but on these Sonny's and now like projector happen. So let's go get some ice cream. Like it was like why thinking of time in Harry Potter they you know have the time Turner thing and then they just don't touch it for the rest of the books. Well, it's because they can only be hard thing to put in movies and television unless it's there on page one to start with that's when you add time and later it gets confusing. Yeah, and then you get like those weird little where I the plot hole for me in this episode was so if the Farooq never spent that time I'm with David if he leaves him alone, then you don't have older fruit to come back and say it to nicer farook and let me know and not die because it's still it's not like I'm game because it did rewrite his it's not it's not really ours. No, but it did rewrite his whole his going back change the entire Street. Sure. It didn't just create a new timeline. It was like, oh the they actually sit and David disappeared it rewrote their whole life. It seems they are random which by the way sit and David disappearing half of that. I was very excited about what were you going to say Jeff? No, I got no, but visually one of the most disappointing things for me was Farooq literally said to Professor X. He's like you're in a whole room. You can decide what you want it to look like. This is your whole place. And he just gives them a beer or something. He like makes fun of Xavier Xavier about it and then does nothing with the room. It's just like a waste of a scene in my like I get I get the dialogue part. I can identify rib the most like like why can do anything once however here but it was just it was frustrating because first off we get no fight we get a song and don't I and I'm like music but don't give me a song. I don't want it. I want to see him fight. Please an important question Jeff. What's your favorite musical? This is really nice. You want to know why because they fight as you're the one that I want fax fax angry sliding. Hey, yeah, but oh no, I was in 8th. I was in Greece lining eighth grade. Shut up, you know, that's my favorite to yourself is my intro to musicals and we're in eighth grade musical stand on top of a car. I greased lightning that stuff. Yes Lee just saying so what do they rewrite the script? And it's like Rizzo has a tummy ache. Anyway, it was more fun to the grease that there wasn't this last episode. Wow, see that it's a know the grace referred to the chicken that I made her feel uncomfortable. She wasn't pregnant. No baby. I'm so glad we're saying the whole time travel thing to me. I thought was the best part of the episode because I thought that that Which is storyline was what made the most sense and what was the most complete? Well such as show a line was almost the most fascinating I say, yes, I'm great with school II felt so bad for switch because as we saw in the second-to-last episode David just didn't give a shit about her right now. It was just like completely Professor X asked who is that? He says, it doesn't matter just a time traveler and he's like David everybody matters. I'm your dad like not that wow about him though. I mean come on Ed phones all the time my favorite part of the show in particular the way they time traveled I bet that image the hallway that the hallway switch losing her teeth, but these like and then cutting the little the like horror. Yeah the end and jumping through it you think about how much time travel we've seen nobody's done that before where they're cutting them little oh, you know, I'm demons are so crazy. Scary. Awesome, right? Yeah, so you want a hug onesie? It seems like you love. Yes. I want to hold trained one. I will be spaced it. I want like an opposite angle and that's like here's more years back. Like I'm not going to make you like gum decrepid carry, like look how good you look you want a Time demon that can go right behind Jeff and put them right back in greased lightning in it re exactly like shout out to younger be you're good. - I mean this and not just because the show's over and I love the panel and everything, but I do love the show just even know xia Dynasty not was talking about the legion panel. Yeah, not bad. I was going to say the visual thought Christian for calling attention to that the visuals will stick with me. Yeah for know, I think when I think about the show, there's there's so many things and and some of it that just so weird, you know, the fact that I know people have Told us that like, oh this is the time period that it was in I don't know. I never really got a handle when this happened, you know, because it's sort of look like the 70s and then when we saw newer technology, they're like, yeah, but that's not part of the linear story. And then that's a perfect example of how the people who were in the chat for the after show clearly watched the show more closely than I did. They're clearly smarter than I was they understood things better than I did and that's why I loved interacting with them, even when they said that we were idiots and didn't have an opinion, but I always She added that yeah. Yeah sweet kind of stuff. Yeah. I thought I thought of something though since we were talking about the show for the finale when we're talking about the robots and everything kind of talking about the visual to was they also showed when she thought of herself as a robot with a wind rushing like a clock. Yeah. So then it was kind of an allusion to her representing time itself. That's a great one. Thank with like a huge. Visual clue that I didn't even think about until I went back and re-watch it and I was like, oh they literally are like, look, she's time. Then this is a show that if we had the time to watch it again, we would probably be so much. Yeah, we would be yes. Hey switch. Can you just give me the Tai Chi just sit in the hallway long enough to watch. What is it? 27 episodes It's All I need I just need a little pockets eventually be in the hallway. That's fine. Just show this series, but I think there's some of those visuals and then now knowing How It Ends I think that you'll see a lot of things like huh, I guess they know where they're going because that's what they say the the people at FX they're like, yeah the way that it ended is when he pitched the first episode this is how we told us this is what they're saying now what I said on the legion after show I did not think that that was where they were going and I think that I think that when they started season 3, they're like this is how it ends but I don't think season one there like whatever we do no one can fight in seriously, yeah, so no visual Facts only way I believe that is it they didn't know they only had eight episodes in the last season because there was no lead up to them both switching Gabby maybe one but then both switching to good-bye Farouk and David there was no lead up. So there's no way they had that plan is like, you know, what we're going to lead up to some bad bad bad and is Switched last episode. I'm the atom believe it. We're all good guys now and here are some fortune cookie phrases for you to to remember be a good person. Is he I think like 10 minutes. It's ago. I asked you a question and then I didn't let you answer. Was there anything in the show in particular that you were like, this is the thing that really didn't work for me. We've talked about a few things that we didn't like but is there something that really just stands out? I think it was mostly just what we were talking about that and I and she brought up to that switch. The switch storyline was almost the most fascinating. Yeah, and that's not really what you're hoping for because you were just introduced to her in this last season and you've had David and said and all these other characters for three seasons and so I was hoping for a little bit. Of that. I have it down here to that. It feels like it was building slowly. Like the episode was a slow build and then to nothing. Yeah, you're like hey, oh, oh, okay supposed to stick a landing right stick. Right and I didn't and I didn't hate it. It just wasn't it just wasn't it wasn't like everything that I want. Yeah, and we didn't we didn't all march in here right afterwards. Like I can't believe what I just saw well know we sort of did say that like, I can't believe what we just saw because it was Missing some of the things that we wanted one of the things that we talked about on the after-show that I like to get your feedback on Zia was the amazing stage makeup that they used on Old carry to show that she had aged how impressive did you find that well she had wrinkles on her arms. Did you notice she did? Yes, and I've seen her in person many times. She's not still never gotten her on the show. Thanks. Okay. I actually don't you know you did. She just doesn't want to be here. Yeah, just like can't blame her. Yeah, it's you're just like, oh, okay, you're wearing makeup, aren't you? What do you like your very own makeup aren't apparent what I did like though that they did with David is because I've never actually seen David as the bad guy at all throughout any of the seasons, especially this one. I've seen him as someone that is in desperate need of love and care and acceptance and wanting and and not that everything that he did was good. But I he did bad things but I don't think it made him a bad person. So I think the way that they tied that up worked really well with him as being finally like what Xavier said to him is what he had been looking for the entire time. He just he was he became a little boy again. That's what he wanted and it's shows with his little his little Harem of girls who call him daddy, which was super weird. Yeah. It's again. All he was looking for was love and acceptance. It was actually really really sad. So seeing him get that from his dad I think was actually nice and I think that tied up things with David. Well, it was more the David farook Xavier for looked at that whole that whole dynamic. I didn't think they handled. Well, if you're going to have a pair of people come together, you got to have the other parrot drift apart and both of them coming together was a laughs. Yeah. Big bad and they're both flipping in one episode with no lead up to it. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't it doesn't fulfill as a viewer like all right. Well, they just want a happy ending. Yeah, I think logically young Farooq just being like OK you guys are all crazy. I have to get out of here. He's young Farooq. So it would it would one make sense. Right and everybody else took it a felt the same way. But yeah, it's like, oh, let's get him on board to you know, I agree. I think that well it was a little bit Is a little bit disappointing in that way but like we were saying and we said last week it wasn't a bad series finale there was just like it's one big fight would have negative Health an elongation will really like throws the straight jacket off and it's like really like that and that's farook and it looks like oh man. Okay now it's going to start and it's like they hype it up like it's going to be Disneyland fireworks, then it's like you get crazy bills discount pack and you're like, oh, I guess it's done now cool. There's a one news item that ties into Legion before we kind of take a couple minutes and look back on the series at a whole jeph Loeb who as most people know is the head of Marvel TV. He said that he's very hopeful that at some point four years down the line. No, Holly. I'll find a new story worth telling of Legion because if you know his show Fargo, they'll be a few years between seasons and this ended in a seemingly a way that has finality, but you could definitely tell more seasons, right? I personally don't imagine Noah Hawley telling more seasons of Legion, but they could certainly bring the show back and you know have it started a different point. I mean, I don't even to be a baby again, you know, let's let's have him be an adult but I really don't want to just see a child growing up for like I'm having in real time gonna be used Jack. Yeah two years for he can we go. No, I mean if it's gonna be a baby using his powers to like, you know, I don't know if you convince people Like I want to have I want to have candy for breakfast and then there you go. So that could be where we could entertain what it but it's just not healthy baby. But personally, I think that you know, look, it's just one of those things that they say and they were like, yeah, we don't want to close the door. But because this came up this week, I thought it was worth talking about, you know, they have like a good collaboration with FX is really what the jeph Loeb also said so they could see I think that just means like you'll see this character again, but does anybody here think that there will be another season or even like a new iteration of the series Enemy talking like years from now you'd like to happen. Yes. I would like Harry Lloyd. Yes as as Charles Xavier because I liked him. I know you really like me. I liked it. I liked Like Me Oh, I thought somebody was liking about him nor liked him. I really liked the part. You know if you're going I'm thinking maybe either a movie or a TV show following Xavier deciding to start Xavier's School for gifted youngsters, like the original X-Men, you know get Jean Grey and their reboot her one more time. Please give her a good story man. I got to write every time that's Cyclops. I mean the originals, you know, yeah, and I Well, and of course make a level mutant Iceman needs to be on that show. But also I've always said that we they have never done angel in a way that I feel like they've done a good job. So I would love to see that so starts having him start out the school and then even bringing David back. Yes villain again and I think introducing David down the road and I think we'll see him in a movie at some point, but I think it might be for a little while, but I'm we were trading emails earlier today sort of about this. And I would imagine that we wouldn't see danwstephens play David again. But if we do, that's great. So there's sort of a two-part question the first will sort of go around and see what everybody thinks if he played someone else in the MCU and that, you know, basically accomplices everything now because they have the X-Men characters. Is there someone that comes to mind that you think you'd like to see him play I said this on Marvel movie news. I'd like to see him as Reed Richards mr. Fantastic. I think you know because at one point Believe It or Not Reed Richards was young. He didn't always have the white streaks on the side. So I'd like to have I'd like to start out like it's not having be old right away. It's like a Spider-Man seems to always graduate from high school and his second movie. But is there anything that comes to mind for for you Alexa? I'll ask you first. Yeah, I think he would be a great night crawler actually. Oh my God, he would you be a great night crawler, but if not Nightcrawler kind of has an edge to him. So I also could see him as Gambit. I was just going to ask you about damn it. Look at that. Yeah, I think I think that would work look as great as Channing Tatum Gambit would have been no no. No. What is amazing is Taylor Kitsch was as Gambit and X-Men Origins Wolverine, I think but we already know that he can do magic as Mike's. Oh, come on. Yeah, but I think I think it would be great to see a you know, you have to you don't just have a Look for Gambit. There's like a very specific kind of presence that you need to have Jeff. Is there something that comes to mind for you for danwstephens for him? I have to say dr. Strange. I feel like he's still in that so you're kicking banging Cumberbatch out of the role know if we had to reboot. Yeah, because I like that some point. Yeah. Some point doctor is some point Benedict cumberbatch's gonna ask for too much money, you know, there's yeah, but if we were rebooting if I was just casting them, I would go Doctor Strange. I feel like it's still he still plays the not creepy but like serious role kind of well, are you still dealing with magic and I like how he's doing that in this in this series. So I think I'd play very well. We his to his rolling out. Dan Stevens is also British. His American accent is way better than Benedict cumberbatch's would you have him be doctor strange British accent American accent? Hi just a mere him American for combat. Yeah, if in the next movie Benedict Cumberbatch just has his British accent. I think we'll all be fine. It's like how strong it's like. I'm Scarlet Scarlet Witch lost her terrible accident and that was back. Well, yeah, but - laughing - she doesn't have it. But I like that Scarlett Johansson when they were just like re Russian just like I used to be explained away accent one line done. What would you like to see? Who would you like to see Dan Stevens? There is someone that we were talking about Marvel movie news and I can't remember now, but I was like, oh I want to see him as this person so badly and I cannot remember so I'm going to say angel because we've never really gotten a very good imitation of him a great Angel Angelina. Do you have any thoughts on who'd like to see him play? Honestly. I just want to see Aubrey Plaza play danger. Wow. I want to see like freaking danger the like one we don't have like any annotations and we haven't really seen a I done really well and I feel like Aubrey Plaza would do a really great job doing During the adaptation of like Danger Room becoming a physical Incarnation and I feel like if they played with that storyline, I mean, that's not what you asked but no answer answer and yeah, and if we died before I thought you would yeah, I'm in the finale. I thought we would get you know, like down somewhere in the water. David's mind. She's like, oh, hey I'm dead now, but you know, but like Now because you're down that sounds like her yeah, it just dances away. Yeah, and we'd like to see it looks like a PLO has Rogue. But anyway God I have a great tweet that out. We know that works. Yes. That's right. Yeah many a thing. Morales I'm not gonna say any names but like plague in Greece in eighth grade. This is my solo song one of the t-ball and it was because your boys not a bad singer, but I was still mainecare. Yeah, so we still out here. Yeah. It's it personal resentment why you don't like the music and Legion is it just because you're my guy had my song in eighth grade. In doing so you know, what if you Legion I hate your rap battles get out of here Alan nothing. We are almost out of time, but I wanted to know from everybody here on this All-Star panel that we have assembled here today. What is if is if there's one defining scene or moment or it can just be a general feeling when you think back on Legion Alexei already said the visuals and I agree with that but is there one thing it could? Be from this season could be from any point in the series that when you think about the show, you're like, oh this one thing I couldn't believe that I saw I'll ask you first Elena. Honestly the pilot I thought was one of the best Pilots I've ever seen on television period and just the Montage the opening up of David growing older then they kind of harken back and book end with the finale event is like that. Yeah, I like that with the same song and everything but the visuals of that and just kind of kicking it off where it's Like the show is going to circumvent every Trope and every expectation that you have for what a superhero show should be from within the first two minutes without any dialogue. You can tell this is going to be something entirely different. I thought was just the best ways to kick off any show did do that even though even though didn't stick The Landing it's still was exactly what you talked about. It wasn't like any any superhero show that we've ever seen. But it's like that gift like the gymnast Who falls on her face then points that toe quite obviously when you think of Legion you're going to be so glad that you did the legion after show because you never would have met me but your second thought about the show. That's number one. But for you, what was the second thought be when you think of the series I make cheap jokes to I mean obviously, yeah the huh, it was a honestly it was that episode where Brooke and David have that battle and it shows up in those amazing colors just visually it was so stunning that episode for me. I was like, oh my God, I mean I love the show right from beginning of it. It was so it's so different it's not you because I understand Alexa you can get superhero fatigue a little bit. I love I love all the movies. I've seen them all. Yeah speaking of which Mike thank you. This is awesome. Anyway, you know, like there's five of us here. That's all I'm going to say. But yeah, but yeah you do you can get kind of superhero fatigue. But with this show at something completely different it doesn't feel like every and I mean honestly Marvel has made some some really bad TV, and this is was very nice and very refreshing to watch something. That was very cerebral. Thing that kind of got you thinking something where you're like, this is so weird. I love it. So Isaiah Alexa, so we talked about the visuals. But is there any other final thought and I think the mental illness that they delve right into and they were not afraid to talk about it. And that was awesome. I wanted them to go further with that. I expected to see a little more with it in the series finale. I know that Gabriella dressed it so it wasn't completely dismissed but I agree. I thought the yeah, they really dealt with With it and I was thought it was an interesting the idea. That's like, oh you're in this institution you're on medication and that's why your powers aren't manifesting themself, but you are also crazy. Yep, you know, and I thought that and I thought it was an interesting way to tell the story and finally Jeff. So mine would be just Aubrey Plaza as a whole her whole story arc going from are just just arranged because like you see her in a mental institute and you see her kind of running the running the show and David's dad. The cave or whatever you want because she was the mommy. Yeah. She's a mommy in there and then you even get to see her like be a mom. Yeah and have a relationship so you can see all her right. I just love I loved her throughout the show like she that was my favorite part it lit up when I was seeing her but just like probably I don't know which episode it was but it was in this third season when we saw switch and her interact, I love both of those characters. So that would probably my highlight because it was visually cool and the characters were very Intriguing and interesting and something to something to look forward to it was cool that she was I mean, she's playing a dude. I mean she yeah, I mean she was female obviously but the character was originally written to be a guy and she was like, we should all get chicken and waffles and Tribute to The Breakfast Queen. She was a breakfast Queen We're Not Gonna, you know make this a feminine thing. We're going to keep on going with the way it's written and we're going to make it its own thing, which is cool for me. I will always think back on the episode last season where it was the episode with all David's but there was also the singing Mouse and I was just like that is so weird that has no place in this episode, but it's so great our friend Amy love that. Yeah. But anyway, we are out of time. I felt like we got to like half of what I wanted to talk about, but we had so much fun doing it and thank you to everyone who was in the chat and thank you to the legion panel for getting back together. It had been six all days. We really missed each other, but let's go around and everybody say where you can be found online. David's Angels. Yeah, first at David's angels and I was good. You can find me at Jeff will underscore Junior on all your social media platforms and happycabbie where two people find you you can find me Alexa Kathy yellow at aleksic a PCA ppy on Instagram and Elena were two people find him. You can find me on Twitter at Elena Jordan and on Instagram at Elena j-jordan xia and you can find me on Twitter and Instagram @ Z underscore land. That's Xiao underscore land. Find me on Twitter on Instagram act Christian DMZ, and you can find Zia and myself Thursday's over on the popcorn Talk network at one specific for Marvel movie news, and we will be back here next Sunday night because we'll be wrapping up all of the news out of d23, which I can't even guess what it is, but Lena has been kind enough to I say she'll be here next week. So we break it all down and we will see you all down. Thanks so much everybody until next week Excelsior. I found her Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first were the biggest in the world and would all of us relation for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. 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The Legion after-show panel reunites with Christian Bladt, Alana Jordan, Alexa Cappielo, Jeff Williams Jr joining Xia Anderson to react to the series finale of Legion and look back on what the show meant to them. They also look ahead towards a possible future for the character in the MCU. Hosts Christian Bladt @ChristianDMZ Xia Anderson @Xia_Land Legion Season 3 Episode 2 Agents of SHIELD Season 6 Episode 8     If you’re a fan of Marvel, you have come to the perfect place. On our MARVEL TV WEEKLY series we discuss everything from your favorite shows such as The Gifted, Daredevil, Agents of SHIELD, Jessica Jones and more. Tune in to get the latest news, developments, premiere dates, major plotlines and theories as well as the insider scoop from cast and crew. A weekly series that keeps you up to date on everything in the Marvel TV universe. The series will cover storylines, news and announcements relating to Agents of SHIELD, The Gifted, Legion, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Defenders and others. Throughout the series we'll bring in guests to join in on the fun! --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

You know, this is DJ sensex Dave a special addition to who we be talks right now. We're at the Barbican Centre in the central London the Barbican Centre, you know, I've never been in before and the only reason why I'm here is because of an artist by the name of storms e storms is launching his book rise up. It's gonna be talking to a Carla and we've got that talked exclusively right here for you. All right, so who would be talks murky book special edition. Let's get into this ladies and Make some noise for Big Mike, AKA Susie So how you doing? Something beautiful? So my first question one why publishing and to why a team book why not just focus on your individual story why that team story that you've chosen to tell firstly publishing because really always say it was because of Jude he gave me. Initial idea of that are not I was still seeing him right so much on Twitter and it dawned on me. That was I think I was out a lot of artists with create. I said it before a lot of artists create and record labels. We do have a record label what I said, yo, like would we be able to publish right as and I wanted to do it in a very in a very separate way in a sense of just having a platform. Where is self-sufficient like away from storms and everything. I do like there's this platform where if you're an incredible writer. Or you can go there and get published like in whatever situation I performed that was kind of the initial idea. And the second question was the second question was why about the team about the team the so at first I was really scared. If I'm being honest. I didn't want to do a book. Like I wanted to have murky books as a publishing company and then publish other people's books. I didn't want to have one person because I thought I'm not I'm only 25 or fullback is Very very very early in my career. I always say but I'm probably not even a quarter of the way and in terms of where I want to be in my career, I wouldn't even say 25% saucepan can having a book about storms. He's a bit that with the flying done much do not I mean, yeah, I think of you people might disagree alone, of course and that and of course, I'm very grateful for everything about this later. I was thinking like I'm on one album deep in my heart is with one album. I said, I'm not sure about a whole book but when when penguin and the team said yo that will make this the murky story. I was like, yeah. Yeah, that's that's a story that I think needs to be told right now in terms of that how we came together and assembled and created this finger and introduced us to you know, some of the members of the murky team, who are they are emerging. What do they do? The murky team were our gang where AK at heart? I don't want to forget anyone aka Big Cub Toby, of course Rachel, of course flips, of course Trev. Tiny Calum, of course, I sure of course rhymes, of course. I said flips didn't accept it. I think that's everyone if it aint if it aint I'm in trouble. I love you though differently my team ya know. What do they? Do? You know what some of the key roles in the murky team today have to describe every night. Do you know what their key roles are from being dead honest keeping this mad brain of mine like protected and and shouted in a loud. They allow me to be the allowed me to be a creative spirit and dust us because for a long time it at the beginning of my journey. I feel like I've always been juggling I wouldn't say music. I'll tell you I've always been juggling my creativity and that that muscle in me that that that whole side of me my creativity. I've always been juggling that with like businessman and Market are and All these other things and what they've allowed me to do is they've allowed me to just be the creative as much as I always have the urge to that be the businessman and the other thing in the the programmer and all of this pot. They just allow me to be this person who can live I can wake up and I can have ideas. Like I said, I want to do this I want to do that. I want to do this and they just they allow me to exist a lot of the time they I didn't even know they've been having team meetings about me or not. Yeah, so it and I don't even know loud. The other day, I had a meeting between not even the other day. Probably a couple months ago. I had a meeting between I'm talking to Twin and I'm just seeing the team won't part of it was that I saw what the fuck I think the see Toby will possibly can ride, but they're having a meeting about some storms. He stuff that I don't even know his desk and on so it's a beautiful thing that they help you to not be bothered hundred percent. They just they just allow me to be my my true true creative self. Like in the in the in the purest sense of it where I can wake up and I say yo I want to do this I want to do that and and I know it's going to be patterned. I know who's going to I know I'm going to be protected. I know everything is going to be in place. Yeah, but like case for somebody, you know aspiring artists are they might not know what a tour manager does. So for example, one of the relationships I picked up reading the book was your relationship with Trevor. Yeah. We're when you started you had ideas, but maybe you didn't know what he could predict bring production while yeah, what can you explain that that technically what some people bring to the table at how to add value to what creatively as already in your head? Yeah. I think I think you always you should always feel someone's value. I think value especially in Creative Industries and especially in music value is tangible. Like I feel like it as in I can literally show you the value of each of my team members as in yo dis is this is myself storm Z without that and this is Storm Z-Wave like I shall for example that and that you the value is tangible when you would always you always fill decade. That's that person or that that somebody has The V8 this or with with Trevor my in Turin. I didn't even I had I fought I fought a stage show was you just grab the mic and they don't trust. Yeah, you just I don't even know where about PA tracks or anything. I just used to play my songs and I'll just spit and keep it moving and I didn't even know there was anything there to develop, you know, I mean until Trev slowly I should me and said okay, we're going to add this to your life and we can at this if you would like to and then the conversations Gruber, I think that's that's the best people People who always you you might with the best people you might not even notice what's going on? You know, I mean when you look back it will be very evident that are flipping that Garrett review did my live games throughout my life games through the roof now that we got it. We finally got it to a place now, but at the time it was just a slow process of being ushered in and me being able to have these ideas. So as I said before about having this team that protect me they to be Ferry is just this whole if I say oh yo, Garlic come and get a choir. I know that that that's possible. My team are going to we're going to think about and it's going to happen. You know, I mean, so it's about having that infrastructure where anything can happen. I mean, if one of the relationships that comes through a lot in your music and in the book to relationships, really your mom and your faith. Yeah, would you say there are two most important relationships in your life. Oh my Miss is as well. Definitely. Yeah, of course. I most certainly my missus. We are a hundred percent so much. It is very important for different reasons. I'm trying to stir no divorce. Yeah. Yeah, so my missus my mom and my faith in God yet definitely and to be fair with with my faith in God us that's come from my mom as an actor. I've seen my mom have faith in God. That's what installed my faith in God because to be fair. I think I'm sure there's many people who would relate to that getting take To church like as a kid all that getting getting introduced to God as a child and it starts not that starts to it almost becomes routine like where I go to church like an I might not always feel like that's real connection to God, but I go to church I sing the songs. I know I know. What's what I'm a Christian, you know, I mean, but my faith my faith and God's been something that I could that that wasn't it wasn't it doesn't come from that doesn't come from that routine of going to church. I think that's one thing has come from I'm actually seeing my mom go to church and my mom pray all the time and my mom be this woman of God and all she had was faith and I'm feeling and it started. Do you know what this one like my mom because at the time faith in God can look like a very crazy things, you know, I mean like it was when you know, I mean, especially when there's nothing can the house, you know, I mean, you got no money and you're hearing about the Faith from God and it's like yo, like I can't see you. I mean like I literally I don't know where you're getting that in my mom's all the time. I'm so driven just comes from comes home. From work at the time I didn't even notice how hard she was welcomed by should come home from work have like a corned beef sandwich back out the roads all the time. And it's always had this Faith who is smiling always had this drive. So I think that's not my direct link to God, you know, I wasn't seeing that what God's done for my mom and that faith is beautiful. Let's go back earlier. Talk to me just a little bit about growing up in South London. What were some of your key experience is what was that? Like that's something very much comes through again in the book. You talk about South specific. Yeah growing up in South Asia's is so mad. Do not it's just not it's like growing up in South is Is very special. I think growing up anywhere in London is very special because we as London as I'm guessing. What or London is here. We through like London is like the world like we feel we feel like there's not gonna squirt. Swear. Well, you know, I forget the rest like London's dead. What's England that is this London and it like to know me that's that's how we offer was London is that's how you all feel about that his own country. Yeah, so growing up in this bubble where we have our own language. We have our own way of Even things we have our own attitudes our own traditions and everything and then coming out into the big wide world and notice an old bra Rod is a world. It's not just that powerful at South London. I thought literally I thought from Brixton do not as anyone knows about the 109 as I'ma catch the one on there we go. So you see where the one on I starts and it finishes that was the world. That was the whole world. Like, I didn't know that was the whole world. I didn't know nothing outside of That outside of that Soul coming out of that and into this big wide world and having all the South London in me was so it was a very big revelation of like knowing my strength knowing that what what this place has given me has given me the strength and is giving me this character but it's also giving me these weaknesses and these disadvantages as well. So it was about realizing all of those and learning how to use them to my advantage and also knowing that sometimes that might be my my down for so Flaunting it gets ingrained into to the point. Where now I'm someone I'm always I will always try. Anyway. I always try to be on that journey of that becoming a man and growing and that and that that's out. You can't you can't go out at the South London that when a man when a man cuts you up on this, you know your drive and any Cuts you up in this like yo, like I'm a grown man, but it's winding me up, you know me so you can't really grow so parts of the South London that Eva we'll get this I'm What's that sounds? I don't want apparently South Florida Fair enough. So I'm not quite self and who is that over there? Well, well, it's cool. We like yourself knowing thyself. No school something. I got presents from South new that's happening. That's why in a way, you know something that resonated with me, which is actually very similar about about both of us in terms of contradictions. Also, you know, we both grew up in a house full of women. We both got the best exam grades in our A year when our school whatever it was yet. Both still got caught up in for one of a better word Road. Laughing. Yeah. Why do you think that happens even to someone as clever? As you are? I think his I think his is what you know, I think as much as being clever and in an environment like that as we know that we're here today and thank God for that. But as we know there's there's I know man from the ends that were more smarter than me just as smart as me but it's not always. Ways that academic tool might not always be your best weapon in in in the kind of terrain were fighting on so understand how it gets that but for us I'm always say always say in terms of like navigating your way out. I always give it to God because it is it is that whole thing of knowing it's not the fact that man's some like anomaly all that comme Des that kind of our yeah, like I'm this special case it is the is luckily the Stars aligned had enough faith in God and He's mad things move. But yeah, it is a tricky one. Definitely definitely coming to music then what would you say first attracted you to MC in probably the if I'm being honest, I think that you have the my ability to impress as a spitter that was like as in I'm not too sure like when I first wrote my lip to be fair, I do remember remember right in a few lyrics and showing them to my sister at the time and I'm on my sister was used to go on about my flow. He said my flow, but y'all got flow. And I'll see this way. She's criticizing your flow in terms of that. The first thing that popped her attracted me to music and and I wouldn't even say music if I'm being dead or the reason why I won't say me. I'll say MC and this isn't to say MC in his not music because of course it is, but in terms of I think I was very specific on the of Embassy and to the point where a lot of the time they might not have been Instrument also it was very MC specific and it was my ability to impress like I knew I was good at it. Like I'm nude. I called here everyone spit and I'll write my lyrics and I say okay, I think I'm really good at this. Like I think I'm making me think. I'm really good at this is so yeah, that's that's that's where it first come from it and spit in the bar to my sister and her saying yeah, that's cold or not us, you know, I mean so so she was so your first and I little yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was my first day in office to be on the show. Yeah and talk to us a little bit about the early projects one six eight dreamers disease. What was the feeling? What was the energy like in those projects? What drove you to do them? You know you were working will come to the day you quit your job. Yeah in a minute, but you know, what was the feeling in the intent behind those early projects? So the 168 project a literal the whole energy and the whole intent of that project and at the time I thought I was a genius at four hours are for storms. The are your you you got this. So I made I used as if Yahweh, but I wasn't I was doing my apprenticeship and I was living in limit inspired the time I was oh what what you know the locals believe them. That is so Random. He's from limiting spoil. What do we do? This? No limits was at the most random place in the world life as a no one's been there when about cool bigger bigger. I'm here at 11:00 and smoker. Hell yeah, it's Act was actually voted the most nicest place to live in Britain. Yeah fair enough. It's on Flex for yeah, so your projects. Yeah more projects are wet supposed. Yeah, so I was living in limiting soir and I was doing my apprenticeship and but we are for my apprenticeship. We had to go to college. I was in college for 10 months. And so I was I was living with 17 other kids and then in my digs and my specific things there was five of us and only one of the kids my brother Jack from he's from east from Learn the plays called Garrick and Scotland and he was the only person on the course who knew I was an MC. So like I'm like I'm like I was literally that flipping Batman that engineer by day and a Flippin MC by not kind of thing. But so I'm off the ends that like way over there and I'm trying to trying to do this apprenticeship. I'm still that proper passionate about my writing and getting music out there and I was kind of finding my feet so and you're like I want to do this Embassy anything kind of half-heartedly and then I was like, yeah. All I want to drop a project while I was doing an apprenticeship and then we had halftime. So we had one week of half term and I was at all. Oh shit dude a mixtape in one week because that do mixtape in one week and a narwhal how many hours are in a week a hundred and sixty-eight Ohio my days 162 mixed it. You know, he is only this is genius like this is tedious lat but an even at the time that so even this was this was like kind of me exercising that kind of marketing muscle in my head off. Mark are popular like that. Wow, one six eight the mix tape recording the seven days like all the disks that but I was me I was moving like yo, I'm so teed up like yo, I made a mixtape in seven days. Like this is what I'm doing, but it was actually just because like y'all had to get back to let me and small that it real quick. So that that was the energy behind 168 was just like me saying I want to get a project out there. What's what's the most clever and time efficient and yet most what's the most efficient way to do this and then With dream is disease. I think in terms of like the names of them it probably ties in very well because dream is disease was literally that I was getting to that stage of I was dreaming so much about this dream of becoming a musician and and I was proper proper going through the motions of lack. Yeah. Like I really want to do this. I really want to quit my job and and it started to feel like like it was crippling me in a sense and there's a song there's a song that I heard in limit as well, by the way. The song was driving and I couldn't even tell you but as it goes, oh, oh we got the dream is disease and I heard that lyric and I was that I was at what a beautiful way to put that was that was such a shock seeing that dream is that it's a beaut being a dream is a beautiful thing that has that disease or not, but then I was at wow, I understand that so much that this thing of happened in ambition so big so larger than yourself that is ridiculous that as in you can't even fathom it but you that's that's all that's all that. Bodies you right now. So it was I fully thought on a deeper one where I was like yo like a fool that I got the stream in this crippling me, but it's so beautiful and I had to get it all out. So that's the energy behind them beautiful beautiful. So I want to take you through a few of feel free to give a round of applause this car. I kind of want to take well, not you but really these guys but when you to expand, you know on a few of the key points that come out in the book and in your career and the first one which really touched on that feeling of the day, you quit your job. Do you know what I feel? Like, I've all like a quit before I quit and I feel like I've had different moments of quitting because I quit I came out of college and that kind of felt like that. This is this is the end of it all and then I went on my apprenticeship and I didn't I don't remember like they're being a day of me quitting or think it was a kind of gradual thing like and I remember I had a lot of our spending a lot of time at represent radio random times and I can't remember what it was but I think I had a show or something that was clashing with that my work. So like it was always that this kind of battle winning when I left work. It was a weird thing because I didn't I didn't tell anyone apart from my sister. So I was living at home and Just moved back from the apprenticeship and my mom I know my mom was thinking yo, like what are you doing? You're not working. So I'm just chilling at home. But sir, so she's thinking you was just working every day and I put on a suit and now you're not but there was never a conversation about me quitting June. I mean, so I never felt like I've done the whole like I'm quitting today and handed in my resignation. It was this kind of slow process, but I was always ready for it was a II was already gone on my head wasn't a rhythm my head was Ready in music and knocking my body was kind of just floating in there. Just kind of hung around. But yeah, that's kind of how it slowly eased into it. The she's just want me in where you plan the murky World take over. Yeah. Do you know what it is that in the book? It sounds so so we had the if anyone's work to put there's a the speak of it was we had to meet and me Toby and a few other people at the meeting in a she says spot about the future of murky but it is so is epic it is Because I look and I say wow that is incredible. But if you to see such sport was so scary that that came back on speaker all that. That was the beginning of it all but I don't think it's there anymore. Like I don't think is there but we all went to this spot and back then that's why even in the book. I was very specific with my words. I said I said I didn't ever want to make it seem like whoever was in the room at that meeting didn't like unlike. Oh, yeah, they didn't believe you know that there's always that kind of narrated rappers love to do it rappers. Love it. They you know that you didn't believe in me. They are they love it. They thought the teachers didn't the only that they love it. They love it and some of you know, they'll discuss sometimes the teachers didn't believe in them and they're just chatting rubbish with a boy trust me. Sometimes it goes at what I was very specific in the book. I was like, I don't ever want it to look like or like yeah, we had this meat and then like no one could no one understood like What we was doing because hundred percent at that time. I wouldn't expect any sane human being to understand what he was doing as in that I could I wouldn't if I was listening if I was if I wasn't myself and I was listening to some guy called storms. He and his manager Toby who both don't even look the part right now, whatever and they're telling me about this murky dream and you don't anyone got a 20 pound between you get out of here that you know, I mean, I would have forever like we talking about like him back then we We had the same ambition. So whatever we say in our talking about. Yeah one day in myr Keys going to be a billion pound and oppressed one day Merc. He's gonna be ingrained and culture one day Merc. He's gonna be this so sufficient engine that that allows communities to thrive and so all these beautiful things and good proper locks and we I swear to you we had we had a Woody's we had all these Visions from early like what that with our the way the way me and Toby speak to hasn't changed because in the Ambitions on the same kind of the Big Dreams we have what the same back then so anyone who was when we had that she shot me and hundred percent like nothing was going to come over because we're just talking pipe dreams that literally like so we had this meeting and I remember we said, yeah like you're going to be this person and you're going to be that person you're going to be that person and from that meeting. I'm sure there's probably about seven and eight of us in it. I'm sure that I'm sure I think it's only Me Toby, I can't remember was Tiny in the meeting. Tiny might have been in the meat and and flips might have been in the median, but I can't remember but there wasn't many people on the murky team from that meeting. So it kind of just goes to show but that is where it all started. Like if I'm being honest in this Scottie. She's also an ovary High Road, not the most beautiful star. But yeah, we got there. I'm from there to the day you find out in fact, you may remember where you were you may not the day you find out gang signs and prayers gone to number one. Yeah, I remember. Where were you if you remember and I was always at home. I was I was in bed. And then yeah, I had National epic at all in it is our mean it's not how we did it but I was in bed and Kenneth as well a big up kind of his Alma Bobby. He's been a big part of the murky Journey as well. I don't think he's mentioned in the book, but he's been apart. He couldn't he couldn't be here right now, but Kenneth he's not passed out right definitely said that like he's parked. So I He called me here right now. You know, he's a kind of swell. He's best right? Yeah, he's just not here, but I have to get it. Yeah, what kind of was in my front room? And I remember I just I was in my boxes and I just went in there and I was like, yeah we done it but it was that was that was 100% My number one moment in music that my most like the most heartfelt the most emotional moment. Yeah, that was beautiful definitely and speaking of being heartfelt, you know, the album deals with a lot of different themes and you've been you've dealt with a lot of different. Seems we read about even in the book during the process of making the album you battling with depression and things of that nature. What made you want to open up about? Let's face it something that's not really wrap. Especially, you know, some to be vulnerable basic and say, you know, I got I got I go through bouts were I'm not feeling great. That's not the most rapper thing to about it. Junior is I think I always say I get this from twin twins my are not and twin always always emphasizes about music and the truth and music that Like in a song that because a lot of maybe maybe the fact that I am a musician is that's how I look at it. But I feel that look at some times when you when you're out of music. Can you look at it? You always think true for music. I just like you hear a song and it's true or like that. You just you don't ever question it but as a musician on the other side, it's like that's Paramount and I can terms of that. What is their truth and what I'm saying? So I think I just really understood that for music, too. Really be great. There has to be truth so icon. There's no way I can do an album, even though answer even down to a me. So me talking about depression and old and an order that's one thing but even me having an album and talkin about my faith in God me took my mom and all these other things and me talk about my relationships. I was like, that's my truth that if I leave anything car, it's not going to be my truth. Like if I do a whole album about this and that and I don't talk about my faith in God, that's not my truth. Because at night I pray so I'm hiding do not mean I'm hired him on bit. So I was like this needs to be my truth as much as I'm going to tell you your I'm the best I'm seeing the world and I'm going to tell you yo, I love my go and I'm gonna tell you yeah, I love God. I was I got to tell you. Yeah. Well, that's not for me sometimes sometimes I'll do not mean I go through whatever. So at the time I didn't I've never seen it as like me doing like some kind of I didn't even see it as a brave move. I don't I still don't really see I thought y'all was being brave. I'll just put your lat. This is my truth if I'm trying. A true Artisan I owe it to myself and to my music to make sure this is true for has to be truth. And that's hopefully that's the Mary I'm judged on and I always say if you're an artist us that's your everything. That's your USP. That's your that's your one thing that you have that over everything. So I was like I need to make sure this album is truth and a part of my truth right now is the fact that I'm going through this so we have to address it yet speaking of truth. Yes, beautiful. So When I first saw your Brits performance. Straight away I said to myself there is no way he did that in rehearsal and it's still got put on television Africa even tweet you do there is no way all of those people in all of those places in the industry. Saw that and said, yes, we're still going to televise it and then I read the book. Yeah. What did it feel like to know you is keeping such a big secret A and B. Why did you think it was so important for you to address to use your platform? Really lot of people don't understand an industry Works to risk your career to risk your livelihood. other people for an injustice that you could have just kept silent about so firstly keeping the secret was so sick that it was a this is like and you know the funniest thing because so so who I think I told told me and flips so did the day of it the day before I went to the street or a phrase or a man on it was just me for his arm and on and I mean made the we made the be and I recorded it and then when we finally went to rehearsals I did the rehearsals by rehearsals. I was I was spitting a different lyric. I was putting the foot 4 p.m. In London, they're working. So you got all the Brits producers and all the bosses and nobody's all the executives there and I'm splitting the lyric and I like our great storms and I'm not here. It's a great gig. So then I remember so in rehearsals are basically I'd like a trick lyric and I was thrown out there and then that I was before in the dressing room getting ready and I'll guarantee flips on that yoga mat on the mat things like he's always out tell me the bars are that bro, but not too much just enough but going into it. The reason why I was so the reason and even even now like I still don't even I didn't even see that as no. No risk. I didn't see as nothing copper sword as like yo, I've got five minutes cool. Like I need to do this. Like how about purple? And the reason why I said I need to do this on a it's not even on a hero one. It's not that card. I can I need to but it was more like there's a there's a there's a they would there's a brother from leprechaun over guy called R is Reese. He's who's actually you don't know res res my God, so recently basically Lon Resort me and R is had a conversation on an Instagram via Instagram DMS. He was he was unhappy about something regarding like me and grenfell would like something happening and I was I was upset that he was choosing to single out me as a flat he was he looked like I was thinking yo, like I'm a man of my word like, I'm very true and what I do like like you don't know what I've done for grant for the grand fool situation that you can't really and then he saying that knob on that and that will happen is still a key conversation and And then I said yo, like let's link up in and we Linked UP And he was like, yo, like a taro. I want to take you to the families to to Grant full to the situation. They're in now and then I went there with his and it proper don't know me at that point where I was like yo like not that hard and I thought I always put these disclaimers of like I'm not trying to be no hero and laughing buzzer. Yo Le Mans surely man can do something with whatever platform man's got to to ensure something happens because what I what I learned early on in my career and I learned this from remembering all the district stuff happened with rent district in that young black girls. And and I learnt from Dale's. Okay cool. Like when Injustice is happen that are very close to my heart and I want to say something I probably have enough platform now to make something move. So say if say if I go to a restaurant in there. Are we experienced some racism from the weight or something? I know I can go and Instagram on my Twitter and and cools enough stuff to cause a problem there Gina. I mean, so so I said yo like I might as well do that in in the biggest way. I can where people have been let down by this country and I can literally with to lyrics that's all it is is Two lyrics your trees are made with That money for grenfell what you thought we just forgot about growing food to lyrics out of our whole family performance to possibly it was a bit more than that. Yeah. There was someone else someone else someone else I can do a little thing like that to to that maybe helps helps people in in in some way shape or form. That's the least I can do and and is so mad and I'm gonna keep saying it because I don't know why I keep Saying about wasteful need to you know, like saying I'm not like it's not as sort of Hero from but Jen. Do you know how I see it and this is going to be a stupid analogy. Don't even quote me on this. But yet cool. You see a fact this is how I always put his so dumb. This is probably yourself running in my but you see you see if I go shop here. You're my prisoner called Argo shop. And you say your storms. Could you get manner war that is so minor that do. I really deserve a your face. Thank you. My brother wore a man Bob. This this war you got all my brother lat. It's like no not really like man just do that because man's supposed to your my bridge and get you a war. That's genuine your my mom did on my mother's life. That's genuinely how our weather is grateful. Whatever is the Cambridge scholarship, whatever it is. I swear to God, I generally just fool at wrong manche manche should man's on this platform, but you do understand it. Many people maybe even most people particularly with platform with things to lose don't think that way yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do understand that and and and what I'm probably coming to realize now more than ever is that because I know I'm standing in because I know I'm standing in truth and I'm standing with God and I'm standing in my own like my own character is like whatever like whatever like I did and and the way I see it is that How can how can that how can I lose on of that record? If you're if you're doing something where like I don't understand and it can sound it can sound mad but It's like it's like cool it saved Someone Saved. Someone said are you play play? Wewe got this role for you in a film. Can you play this actor and actors something you really don't believe in it's very easy to say. No do not I mean it's very easy because that's your truth is very easy. Same way is very easy to do things in your truth actively. So I've never seen I've never I've always just seen as surely that's what you should do if you have the platform. If you and so even down to like someone someone who have seen recently, you know, like Dede with you know, luckily he opens up a lot schools and and I always feel like out Bob. I loved it. I think that's incredible. But you're a billionaire of 200% hundred course a school trip. What did you understand? I mean doesn't the Gratitude of and this is probably like on a deeper on this is probably like or not like when it comes to the world, I just wasteful that broth if you Do a little thing and up to be fair do not I'll get that to my sisters or Rachel. I probably learned that from Rachel where you know, like if you can do a little thing for someone don't your bad man if you don't do it, but I did not know that's how I see you're Batman you're Batman a cousin that you got all that platform and remember always use the platform for very self-serving things. And yeah, of course you are I'm a man like I've got their cool. I'm going to use my platform so I can get a free train or free mirror. Yeah cool spot. It's going to free Moon monster on a free more trust me, but if I can use my platform for things like that, it's like and I always say these things in the grand scale of things is a minor. You should do it man that just just because whatever whatever little thing you can do you should do how genuinely see it as like getting your bridge in a bottle of water from the shop and I always feel like a lot of the time because you see in this like kind of landscape of British culture. Alright, I know a lot of the time I am the black British representative and often a lot of the time. I'm very aware. I'm the token black British representative as in a cave, whatever's going on in the world of like media and celebrity like storms. He's probably the black guy to do it, you know, I mean all that debris and I'm aware like it's not it's not a secret, you know, I mean, so with that I understand that man has to die at you man has to Because yeah man asked to borrow of not about it. Honestly it sometimes sometimes it's so it's so difficult to explain ma'am. But you have to learn your after I there are so many millions of things. I wanted to ask you. Unfortunately. This is going to be our last question because we are running out of time. We're already well over so guys not listen, it's not your fault. It just is what it is is it was a short discussion. So it's a two part question. You already touched on it a little bit and you sort of touched on it in that questionnaire, but I just wanted to highlight it once more the storms the scholarship. You know, how did that come about? Why did you want to do it? And then my last question the future of murky? the storm these scholarship that I think that was that was more just like I've always said I've understood the spectrum of you know, sometimes when people people are doing positive things, I think so a lot of times things are focused on like I'll put in blatant in simpler terms, you know, like in school like the bet the bad the bad badly behaved kids always have it's always hard to keep that we got to give time to the badly behaved kids and I always say there's another side of that Spectrum. It is Geniuses and Incredible Minds and all of these things and and no Spectrum known of course, nothing's more important than the other of course, but I was just like yo, like that's that's something I take personal pride and Ryan as an that. That's my that's where we let my personal own like kind of our yeah like this is sick where I like, I I always I'm always very inspired by that genius and that Incredible Minds and people people who are smarter than me and all that. I'm not right. This is so that your brain is just Edible, so I've always I've always loved that side of life. Forget the before I was storms or anything. I've always just loved that. I've always loved the idea of excellent. So now that I'm in this position, I was like yo, that would be so sick if we could do something on that side and we done it and that would that's that's another thing when I said your AK what can that but there should be should be should have scholarships. Like we should have scholarships that before we start going into the bigger things of that hopefully getting into proper education and institutions that I was like, yeah we I think that could be do a scholarship in any way shape or form. And so that's how it came about. Yeah, beautiful and very last question. What's next? Boy, I ain't got a clue. I have no idea. I have no I can a new music. Oh music 109 the universe music. What's next for you? Next one was so murky with Marky. I feel like I always say I wish I want my key to be this engine this Hub this this thing that's larger than anything. It's larger than myself is larger than an idea is like a kind of holy forces of it's not even a Because I think a brand is very self-serving was like Yeah, The Brand we won the price not know. I want this to be a thing that just exists in the world and has so many branches of it. It's an umbrella for healthcare education music art architecture that anything like anything that can move. I don't do no. I'm not even going to say anything that can move things forward because I think that's a very people say move things forward and for the culture and all the These buzzwords but it's like I just want this to be a beautiful thing that does beautiful stuff and has Beautiful Stories and a lot of the time I don't know how that's going to come about. But I just know that as long as we keep throwing ideas out there as long as I as myself in the team like stay together and stay connected and we keep the same spirit because any time we do things that the spirit of it. That's that's that's what I love about my team the most is there's never any evil spirits never like we're doing this because of that is always just That sole purpose and and that's a and the reason why I always creating my team for that is because in this industry of creativeness and music, it's often the total opposite. There's always a purpose that isn't for the greater good or is and deeper in a spiritual one and I swear to God that's one to get a phone call from ATK and she's telling me yeah, we're not going to reveal the identity of the two kids get that got the scholarship because they're going to go to UNI and are going to be in their face and they won't be able to study and I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I didn't even think of that but I was like, yes, of course, of course, that's what of course we don't reveal them that what we've of course we don't but I was that that just shows that ethos do not mean that shows the spirit we're doing it and I was like, that's a beautiful thing about. Yeah. So in terms of murky just always we're gonna be always be doing hopefully more incredible things like this and keeping it pushing and on the other side on on the storms the side of things on them on the music's Adam. I'm We're ready. Ready ready? It's been a long time coming ladies and gentlemen, make sure you pick up your copy of the book. Please make some noise for big my AKA scoobsie. Ladies and gentlemen, bigger.

When Stormzy first emerged on the scene he could do no wrong. Every week he was making a move that stretched everyone’s imagination. He was attaining chart positions, collaborations, top tier brand deals, selling out tours worldwide, and achieving things that most unsigned artists don’t, it was inspiring stuff that dreams are made off. The rise and rise of Stormzy has been non-stop, and it’s already looking and sounding like 2019 will be his year. I’m hearing rumours of all kinds of things, who he’s working with, what he’s about to drop, potential tours, etc. but we’ve already had a couple of glimpses of whats in store. His forthcoming groundbreaking headline slot at Glastonbury Festival and the launch of Merky Books, a forward thinking collaborative partnership with Penguin books. It’s not the usual thing for a rapper to do, but this is Stormzy, nothing that he does is usual. He breaks the rules and pushes the boundaries on everything that he does. I attended the recent sold out Merky Books / Penguin launch at the Barbican, and it blew my mind. I’ve never been to the Barbican before, but I was in the building to see a Grime MC launch his book series. It was fascinating to see his fans pour into the venue carrying copies of the his book, to see school teachers leading classes of kids into the appropriate entrances for a spoken word night. Once again this was Stormzy gliding into new territory for the culture. For this exclusive edition of Who We Be talks we take you back to that night at the Barbican Hall for the Merky Books launch, where Akala sat down with Stormzy in front of 2000 people for a one on one Q&A to discuss the release of Stormzy’s debut book ‘Rise Up: The #Merky Story So Far'.

Is podcast is brought to you by what my reading the UK's most influential wedding Brandt. Hello. Hello. All right, are you doing I feel that we need a different interval time. We come on with the words. Just got her Loom. Hey, welcome to the focus to the podcast today. Yes, we're talking about wedding party gifting. Now I'll be honest. I didn't think this would be a subject that would warrant an entire podcast and huh, but you'd be surprised a you'd be surprised by the amount of DMs. I a direct messages that we've had so many so many can you do a podcast on gifts that we give our wedding party because we want a Things Are. Shit. Yeah be things aren't we? Yeah, and it's either not she totally so excuse the swearing but that's basically what people are asking for and you know, we give you what you want we do and here we are. Let's begin. Yes with you the couple the bride and bride. Let's do that the groom and groom or the bride and groom. Yes, so My husband James. Yes surprised me with a lovely necklace and earring set during the drinks reception. So we had a bit of champagne is the tough part surprise for you. Oh, that's a nice time to give you you differ took me up to the bridal Suite. Oh, well. Oh, I know what what did he want surprised me with this beautiful like blue leather box. Oh, we wait for something else and blue. Containing the Zulu. Oh, which is lovely Anna later on in the evening. Yeah after probably want him any Prosecco somehow I ended up wearing some companies these earrings the necklace another necklace. Oh and some glasses. There's photographic evidence out there. Yeah, so that was lovely. Yeah. Jewelry is really obvious. Yes. It's an and I feel that this particular podcast. We don't need to tell you about and do that obvious things that you can buy for each other like jewelry or cufflinks. Yeah or a hip flask yet blah, blah blah all those things are all very no no very nice. That's it. You want to get yeah. We're here for the alternate. Yeah ideas James got you some lovely jewelry and some fantastic sunglasses. I don't think I got anything off Antony. Equally, I don't think I got him. I legitimately can't remember that. I think I got him a bottle of champagne to have on the morning while he was getting ready, but I don't think we exchange gifts at all as a nice gift. And this is my point like so you can write a newspaper to your wedding, right? You're feeding them. You are all showing them. Yes hook and entertaining them giving them an amazing evening. And then you are expected on top of all of that to buy them a gift. Yeah. No. No, you don't have to do I hope there's not an expectation where there shouldn't be from any family members or friends. Yeah. They are also going to get some sort of gifting a gift for being there. I would never like if someone asked me to dwell multiple occasions. I've been a bridesmaid there was never an expectation for me to get something for doing like I'm well up for being a bridesmaid great time. Yeah. You don't need to buy me anything. I'm just like dead happy to be there is Okay, exactly. There shouldn't be an expectation from anybody now to provide gifts and only soft but if you do and that's why we're here because so many of you have requested it. Let's start with Grooms. Okay, so we don't talk enough about them. We don't Laura again gets us off on every podcast whenever we send our request the team just the first one says the most like hi-yah. I will tell you as well Laura's the queen of gifted. She is she still has that she has the best ideas. It's so she bought her husband a vinyl version of their first wedding dance song. I mean, which I thought was how amazing it's actually if you're a music buff. Oh totally and talking of me. Is it Buffs? Have you seen the sound wave prints that look in half. So your favorite song your first dance all night Laura shows, whatever it might be a song that significant to use a couple am I going to do? Was a thing yet. You can have a sound wave print and all different colors. Not on the High Street is a place you can get them from so you can have like copper gold black, you know, whatever to match your home decor or your favorite youth. My friend Hannah bought whether friend Sarah one of her Son of a Preacher Man for her birthday or to cheer and they've got in like they're all way and it's a song that like, I remember from my childhood and it's like, oh my God, that's so puzzle and it's a lovely like visual decoration if I can't and also significant. Yeah, that's a great idea. Excellent. If I'm honest in general, I like the idea of an experience rather than a tangible item. I mean, I will tell you narrow that as I've gotten older hmm, I much prefer an experience to any GIF is creating memories, isn't it? I'd rather be having a I don't think the stuffing nobody nights stuff today, but no, sir. Up to be gifted and experience and also in this circumstance. It's almost like be gifted experience extends the joy of your wedding day and if I had my time again and I wasn't this selfish, I would consider buying James exactly that so he's a real foodie. So he would really appreciate like a gastronomical experience like away for a weekend. Yeah a chef learn how to make something eat it afterwards and it's sending that wedding experience, you know, we've got some ketchup for to after absent as well as the honeymoon or whatever. It might be along those lines. You might have a partner who's really into wine or gin. Yeah. Lots of wine engine tasting experiences that you can go on estrogen makes the great gift. It does Grooms. We asked our creative director and co-founder Adam what he thought about this, so I'm just going to read it out for you cause he never Some stuff on the podcast never often because he's very sarcastic and doesn't really give me any advice. So, you know, it's his fault that I'm actually going to read this one out the sternritter. Are you ready for this? The key is to set a budget find something that he likes but wouldn't lie wouldn't usually buy on a regular basis and if you can buy something that is really personal but that has longevity then by that correct. So something that's almost at is not quite to the extent of an heirloom. Yeah, but that they can keep for a long time and pass it on. Yeah, so just highlight that he sent me another message saying perhaps don't bother with tech right as it evolved so quickly true good point true, you know couple of months down the line. Yeah, something's changed. And then he said also don't sent a fruit basket. Can you imagine you know perishable Goods? No perishables you guys in like sending you? Aim, high Charlotte's just atmosphere just a basket of like grapes. He's a bit of Golden Delicious maybe pineapple that I was thinking. She knew what I'd quite like a basket, of course on so yeah. Well and I mean age to the road a bottle of Prosecco on the morning. I think that's quite beautiful. You know, who you're buying for you do this is the point though. They want a pair do who you're buying for your marrying them. You should know them you what do they really love? What would they really appreciate? What would be thoughtful what? This is my exactly where it doesn't have to be macros, but just does it. No, it doesn't the main people. I think that we've had queries over is what to buy your bridesmaid. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah, Lorna who manages the content on rock my wedding? Hello, Lorna Aluna. She was gifted a spa day, right and an afternoon tea as a gift as a bridesmaid for while of the wedding so she went to so they have the spa day the morning before the day of the wedding. So they all got such a about like the wedding. Yeah, they got like a treatment. They got to you know spend the day together as bridesmaids a bit of relax, I guess before like the main event and then the afternoon tea that meant that after the wedding, right? They all got together again as a group. Oh, I love it could reminisce about the wedding have a look at the photos talk about all the funny bits that are the members of the party might have not been involved in etcetera. So what again it's this whole experience tonight. I think that's a really and I think our days, you know, you don't have to be in to spar days to enjoy a spa day and I'm not yeah, you don't you're not a fan of yeah, you're not a fan but I'm quite happy to sit there. But yeah, I was going to say if you go and really love the skirt. Yeah, and you can happen after the party dude is right at my street because if you do want to buy something tangible a great way of doing that is to purchase something that can be used on the morning of the wedding. Hmm that's going to so it's going to be useful. Yes, and that your bridesmaids can use again. Yes afterwards. Absolutely. Love a robe. I mean who doesn't love a rope not a rope when I was bridesmaid. We had robes and I love it. Keep it in my wardrobe as wear it all the time and my friend actually put them in a little box with a nice candle and a lovely card and it was ever so nice you just sort of put this little personalized hamper package together for us. It's which is a place where from the morning and then be able to use it and then be able to use it. Again, it's that memory of the wedding. And yeah that's associated with it. And I mean these things they weren't they weren't necessarily expensive items and they didn't need to be it was just the thought that she sat there found these little gifts to give us and taking the time to you know package to them so nicely and it was just it was lovely and completely unexpected. But just it was just wonderful amazing photographs. She's all the time. You don't have to spend a fortune. Absolutely H&M. Yeah. They've got the most amazing like lace line. Monet's 19 pounds ninety-nine. Is that it? I've got a pink one. Oh, you can buy one too. And they also come in Black to it in the show notes. Yeah, we will Lisa who looks after all our DIY projects. Mmm, if you've not noticed any of those yet so good. We have just kind of really up the ante and bespoke but my wedding my DIY Lisa designs them loose Stars them. Yeah, she's pretty good as she is pretty See good so far. We've done a hanging hoop War. We've done a confetti station and we've done a wedding order of the day sign on a crate. We have dead cheek dead quick have a look at DIY on our menu on what I did not know that you came. There's probably I'll pop a link in the toilet. So Lisa receives one of her bridesmaids gift a monogrammed makeup bag. Oh no all of the bonus. Clipper sensation called you can use on the morning show years afterward. Yeah, I had a little makeup bag from my friend Anna which is the perfect shape and fit all my stuff in it's one of my favorite guests out actually like that till your bags. You can get a monogram personalized envelope shape bag from Katie looks turn. Yes so many different colors. Yeah metallics. You can get them monogrammed they can have bride. Ed's maid maid of honor mother of the bride's you get with the whole wedding this Shorty and issues all of that lovely. And so depending on how much you want to spend you can put some little bits and Bobs in there for them as well. Don't be really nice gift useful gift yet personalized gift. I'd like that what you can put in your bag generally makeup because that's what everybody should buy me and that's what you should generally not gonna make it. I'm gonna make a bag so rock my wedding is collaborating with Birch. Next we are how exciting is that? Isn't it? Today is the 29th of April today is a day that are limited edition rock my wedding Birchbox is released how exciting 29 pounds. Yeah for over a hundred pounds worth of makeup and skincare gold. He's an absolute bargain. It's limited edition. So please do. Yep. Go on to the Birchbox website. Look for at My Wedding by one. I'll link it obviously obviously will link it in the show notes, but you know, there is only Ooh, so many thousand that are available. Yes, I go have a look go and have a look at what's in it. We've chosen skincare and makeup products that would suit the vast majority of people. It is aimed at Brides if you like, but would also make a great present for bridesmaids and just anyone who's looking to update their makeup or skincare. Yeah, so it includes Bobby Brown crushed lip color in bade, which is a like movie nudes. It's all Universal shade. We've got Smashbox superfan mascara, which is super glossy black separates lashes. Oh amazing. We've got the cordially overnight Vino perfect night cream travel-size. Oh, yeah love called Lee's their skincare. We have the floors through Discovery set which is actually eight different fragrances a wholly different ones. And then hopefully you can find one that you like a lovely we have the Becca shimmering skin perfector in opal right? So for cheekbones brow bones Cupid's bow NE, but you want to highlight again Universal flattering color a coal creatives Infinity brush in aqua green. Oh now it's a very dense brush zode. You can use it for eyeshadow application right concealer. All right, very specific height is Fitted bra. Yeah, I one of those the bushes like I know that they sell millions for different things. Yeah, I think if you've got a really good quality brush with the right sort of bristle mountainous that makes sense. Yes, then you have to sort of like try it out for yourself. Yeah with your makeup use of multiple. Exactly. And I and I do live a multi. Yes brochure. This one is great because obviously we've tried it and we've picked it. You have a full-size space. Mask, which is one of those ones with like the eye holes that you kind of put on you I look at that face. I love that and does that make great amazing things you skin? Absolutely. We have a full size nails Inc. Limited edition nail polish in nude girl, which is like ammo lilac gray. I would say it's very very very similar to my favorite nail color, which is why I chose it. Yeah hazing for the big day. Yeah off your bridesmaids because it's such a suits all suits all coloring all bridal gown out. Yeah type thing. We've got an Anna sui lip color top coat but makes your lip color matte interest, which is obviously very modern very so you might have a favorite player that just the don't do it mattered if you know you might want something but instead and and oh ok gold Eiffel mask. You know what I'm after. Some I'm us get me this box are reduces puffiness. That's what either calls almost arises. I'm on it all of that. I'm on it 29 pounds get yourself or your towels at over a hundred Birchbox brought my wedding released today whoo-hoo go on our Instagram and you'll see all the lovely images because the box is beautiful. We're proud of that box. I want ya talking about beauty. I also like the idea that you gift your bridesmaids. Beat experience so my sister and I I built her a manicure and pedicure. I'm Deborah wedding. So we build it quite a bit in advance so that we knew that would be sort of sat next to each other with that our manicure. So that makes us so we sort of look at the colors and picked up a want to do had a good chin wag had a massive box of maltesers. I'm really enjoying this is like idea of pre-wedding gift in. Yes. Yeah the Net post reading yet absolute and something that is relevant to To the wording so you both had like lovely nails and toes it was relaxing your have a chart and it wasn't like, you know, so again expanding that creepy wedding stress and that was sort of like my gift to her if you like it guess it something that's perhaps a little bit obvious but a huh, no, oh is flowers. Yes. Now I gave my mom my mother-in-law like a box full of flowers that are Flora stood. Yeah of various blooms that are featuring. Edging right, you know, but again you should do as you do. Yeah, Victoria who puts together a lot of our Real Weddings gifted the David Austin Rose called Wedding Day to their parents and the idea was that they planted them in their Gardens. And so they flowered each summer, which is isn't that lovely it's not so much of here's a bunch of flowers. That's you know, one day it's going to pop it's clogs and a few. Days, man. I wish I could only plant this new Garden. It's a permanent memory. It's something lovely. It's a beautiful flower and again that whole like longevity thing. Yeah, how about getting a flower subscription? Yes Flume and wild postbox flowers. Yes, send them flowers and then every month, they're getting it running man. That's a little reminder. If you're watching the food that was a lovely idea. Yes, instead of presenting them with that bouquet of flowers on the wedding day. You will perhaps you do still give them the But it's to go with a subscript. Yeah, absolutely gift that will yeah, it's that whole longevity thing. Isn't it? Really nice now again going back to this whole gifting thing. Do you have to buy something where we all know? Why didn't the not the cheapest things in the world, you know, and it was your only stretches. So this is it. So have you got the time to make something well, and I know he's talked about gifting before the big day. What about after the day? Yeah. You got your wedding photos you have for the lots and lots of potential. There is for my parents the Christmas. So we got married in the meso in the December for their Christmas present. We made them like a big canvas. Okay, I had about 20 different images on from the wedding that relevant to them as so images of them of us the family and I have mine and he's passed away now, you know, and that was something that they probably wouldn't have been able to create themselves. And also because we know that people don't print your photos while they don't keep them on their Buell re or on a yeah laptop or whatever. It is IE me. Yeah, so actually to buy a frame. This you put it on your wall if that talking about that this Christmas my mom and dad moved into a new house and for their Christmas present, we built them a gallery wall. That's amazing of like all the grandkids and it's the same sort of principle is this yeah, you know lovely frames it was something that you can't buy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it was obviously very thoughtful and it was a menu house and so our parents we they each had a A picture from our wedding of Anton died in a frame but we also gave them framed photos from their weddings. I love their that we actually had at our wedding because neither of them have any of their wedding photos up in their homes as part of the wedding day. We printed pictures from their wedding day and frame them and then gave them to them as gifts and now they have them in their homes and it's lovely to go and see that they've got them on display. Yeah, and that's another God so He pinned simple to do yet. It meant so much to them. Yeah that we'd thought about City and that's a healthy we keep them out too is it's like-- thoughtful with regards to who you're buying it for and that personal aspect. Yeah. Absolutely one is you read out a couple of gift ideas that we've had from our readers yellow roses short 88 a personalized hamper put together by me now. I'm not as nice. Yeah that goes back to like what my friend did for us. A beautiful monarch of an aide a bracelet which was to that clip nature can't bother do it yourself. We all know there's time restrictions and stuff like that Studio C dot code. Okay. Yes. She does amazing how all these boxes with you can choose your own stuff or she has a creative team that will pick the right things for you. So please do have a look at that when she Two great ones for Crimson groomsmen Atlanta hasn't she yes, which are great because it is a struggle to buy gifts for guys. And yeah, it's kind of like been here and suddenly it's you know, again, it's this whole we want to give you, you know unique idea. Yeah, but it's either sort of quite expensive items like watch it. Yes or things that you'd already or do you have but already have so it's getting samples that she makes Artur. They're great, aren't they? Yeah. Absolutely. Rachel. Mary Hawkes bought her bridesmaids personalized French. It quotes oh cute I think he's cute. Yeah so similar to your friends sound wave that yeah, but again, absolutely Natalia 1 1 2 but her flower girls fluffy sheep skin lamb soft toys and her bridesmaids necklaces with their first initials. Oh, I like that again. It's that whole person. I've seen like it. Well, it's not know and they're very simple and elegant yet. I can they get you know, lots of people are going to appreciate ya an initial. That's it on a you know, yeah. Lovely fine chain and everything Jesse's underscore Adventure Sport her bridesmaids Alex Monroe bracelets with ferns to reflect the location of the wedding again. I'll that's great isn't it? So, it's your it's jewelry because you know, it's a good go-to, but it's relevant to the day and every time when I was I wasn't a bridesmaid for a friend of mine, but I helped set up her day did I flowers and all that sort of stuff again didn't expect to get anything, but she bought me a necklace with a A this beautiful like sideways cross on it because she had the most gorgeous Church ceremony. So she bought me that to remind me of her wedding ceremony and I don't own anything like that. But every time I put it on I think I'm like transported back to that specific time because it's relevant to that experience and that's thing like definitely have to buy a gift because well quite one of our readers SJ Willis isn't getting any gifts. Oh Heard a highway exactly exactly and there they go. I'm good on it because like we just said yeah really don't have to get gifts if it's stressing you out or you can't afford it and it's not in your budget do it and also your wedding water whether it's groomsmen and bridesmaids whatever it is, you know, if you've paid for the dress or you've paid for their shoes, maybe it's a case of like I'd really like for you to pay to get your hair done. Yeah. That is that is go along with a lovely thing to do you don't need Need to do that and yeah, buy them something tangible honest. I'll put that or afternoon tea or whatever and I think this is the thing, you know, some people do some people want to use the people can afford it. Some people can't but don't feel like it has to be led by everything that you see on Instagram. Yeah. Well the indeed you here on a podcast and do just so you know, and with that I think that's it. Sure. I'll give you some useful. I hope we have so happy. Gift shopping. 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You spoke, we listened and here it is. Series 2 episode 6 is all about the best bridal party gifts. You didn't want shit. You didn't want twee. We have avoided both of those things and come up with some gorgeous bridal party gift ideas for you to shower your nearest and dearest with. Rock My Wedding have teamed up with Birchbox to bring you an amazing beauty box which makes the perfect gift - you can get yours here! We also talk about making sure you have your day your way and so if you don't want to buy any gifts or spend any more money (we all know arms and legs get spent on weddings these days) then quite frankly, you don't have to! There should be no expectations. You do you. Bridal Party Gifts From niche gifting to things you can find easily on the high street we've got all angles covered so get comfy grab a cuppa/wine/gin and get ready for 25 minutes of chat all about bridal party gifting. You're welcome. Find some great gifts right here: RMW X Birchbox Katie Loxton Pouches Oliver Bonas Make Up Bags Sound Wave Print Studio Seed Gift Boxes Flower Subscription Afternoon Tea in the Midlands Spa Days at Hoar Cross and Cowley Manor Build Your Own Hamper For your newly engaged bridal party babes - RMW Your Day Your Way. Visit rockmywedding.co.uk/podcast for full show notes and tonnes of wedding inspiration!

You know a million little things and I think the like two big things I would give as pieces of advice to people starting a business our number one persistence. If you looked at what I was doing in the first several years, it was a mess. I know I was doing it was ugly. The brand was terrible. The the idea was terrible. The execution was terrible, but I just kind of never gave up and every single day I came in and like tried to make something better and learn something and And and do it a little better and that's the other half of the coin, which is number two, which is Improvement. Hey, what's good? Everybody? Thank you for tuning in to episode 20 of Highly invested where we invest in ourselves talk about personal growth investing in business while we ask entrepreneurs about the best investments in time money and energy that they've made that have gotten them to where they are today everyone. I'm really excited to have someone that everyone in the personal finance. Community and the debt free community can Inspire to to work towards he retired at 36? He's a personal finance nerd. He's a lover of index funds on the show today. We've got Jeremy from the personal finance Club. How are you doing today? Jeremy great. Thanks for having me. That was quite the intro. I think that's like almost verbatim off my Instagram profile. You're very welcome. I yeah, I did start doing my research on you earlier, but I hope sorry that wasn't as original, but we'll be able to end it off with something. Okay, I mean that's why I put it there at least it sums you up in the perfect way and I'm really excited to be able to dive in and ask you some questions about that today. All right. Sure. I'm I'm excited great Jeremy now, obviously I came across your stuff when I started posting and in creating my own my own content, but let's find out like a little bit more about yourself. Are you originally from San Diego? Nope, I grew up in Michigan born and raised till I was about 29 years old say for a few out-of-state internships in Chicago and Seattle. And then I moved to San Diego when I was 29 and have been here almost ten years now and I've never really lived full time elsewhere. I lived in Italy for a couple months when I was coaching beach volleyball and it had some extended trips and stuff. But basically Michigan to San Diego is my story. Oh, that's really cool. See you're quite familiar with snow. Yeah, I've done my time as I say, I actually just today I was ordering a new furnace for this new condo. I just bought and I said that I hate the cold and he said I did you grow up here as I know I grew up in Michigan and I've done my time. So I want a nice furnace. I don't want any 50-degree temperatures in my house anymore. You don't need any pipes freezing or any surprises like that, right? Yeah. Yeah, hopefully some in San Diego style think it it's ever Pipe is ever going to freeze. I don't think it's ever 32 here. But the problem San Diego is if it's like 50 degrees outside oftentimes. It's 50 degrees inside too because people don't have like insulation and they don't have furnaces. I've never actually never lived in a place 10 years. I've never lived in a place that has he had heat or air conditioning you just kind of live in these boxes. And so like in the winter people are either freezing and I like a space heater or something. But this new place I'm getting is getting an actual real furnace with a thermostat. It's going to be great. Okay, good. You're really Checking that out. I never really would have thought of that but I guess they don't have to really account for snow and freezing temperatures. So they don't yeah, you're in Canada, right? I am yeah in Ottowa Canada, right? So in in San Diego like our average winter time temperature is about mid-60s and so it just, you know, it's not really an issue. And even if it's 65 Outside Inside, she's a little warmer because there's Sun beating on the roof and stuff. But sometimes it does get to like 50 outside. Then that's pretty cold inside like just were really bullion. Prepared but yeah, there's no furnaces. There's no freezing. There's no ice. There's no I mean it doesn't even really rain here. So things get wet and people don't be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine there's not many bad things. And if the one thing to complain about is the fact that it gets a little bit cold and you got to put on layers that's not a bad situation will turn out what's that mean? Oh sorry, even though that's the only thing to complain about we still definitely do complain it. There's always things now does that actually make the houses in that area cheaper to purchase because there's no you know big addition of a furnace in there already, like maybe not much cheaper, but I think the land value is so incredibly expensive and the cost of living is so high that truthful and reduction is so I mean, I just bought a two-bedroom two-bath condo that's about 1,250 square feet. It was a dump when I bought it like nothing had been remodeled since like the early 80s like pink. Bathroom tile like the dishwasher was like yellow and peeling like little tiny Galley kitchen and I got a steal on it. I think at seven hundred twelve thousand dollars. And when people when people around me here, I got that be like, wow. How did you get such a good deal? So that nothing is cheaper, you know, so maybe would have cost seven hundred sixteen thousand dollars if it had a good furnace or something. I don't know but it's just kind of rounding error compared to the land cost makes sense. I it is. It's more the land than anything you can kind of put whatever on top of it, but just to get her and so so So you are you involved more heavily in real estate now. Is that something you've been doing since you retired at 36? Yeah, so I had sold my company. So yeah, just like the real quick background is I was a computer programmer in college and then I had said I had a full-time job offer from Microsoft as I was graduating from the University of Michigan with a computer science degree. I decided to start a company instead of taking that job it took me about 10 years of growing the company and hustling and building business and building a product and building a team. Women like doing it all learning how to draw entrepreneur. Right? And then yeah and I had no idea what he's doing but figured out and then I sold my company for years ago for five million bucks. And then that's basically what allowed me to retire early at 36 but in you know in combination with best practices of even before I sold my company, I had been Building Wealth. I had been investing early and often. I've been buying the holding index funds. So I was I was on Pace to become a millionaire even while I was running my company and that was on a Be $6,000 per year salary. I never paid myself more than $36,000 a year anytime during my career. And so even on that living in Southern California with these a crazy High Cost of Living. I was able to build pretty good. Well, yeah, it's that I just kind of got fast forward when I sold my company nice. So that's your question of the real estate thing. Yes. So then once I got this money my buddy usually to real estate is like yo, we should start flipping houses and we start looking at the numbers and it made sense. And so basically I was like bankrolling this and we were like Partners in the flips. Yeah, and I own About down close to two million dollars in real estate. Now including this condo. I just bought in cash and then the other half my portfolio is in basically an index funds the other two million nicely Diversified. So now you just bought one recently. Was that your own personal purchase or was that one that was added to the flips that you've done previously. So yeah my whole life until well not even my whole life up until now and today I still live in an apartment. I live in a one-bedroom apartment that was converted from a garage the Same place I lived for the last five years when I was still poor or whatever, but I finally broke down and bought my little two-bedroom condo so I can have a guest room and like a nice house and a furnace. It just got too cold here. So yeah, this one this one's actually for me but so about of that 2 million real estate about 700,000 now is in my own primary residence and then the rest is an investment real estate most of which is in a single five-bedroom house that my buddy and I rent out as an Airbnb. Okay. Nice and and how has that treated you getting in on the air B&B? It's good. You know, it's the kind of Southern California home prices are so expensive. It's kind of the only way that you can make the math work because right now home buyers want to spend a lot more money because they want to live towards the beach and like people who are buying homes down here are rich so they can really push push up the purchase price but renters don't really have that much more money compared to renters anywhere else so that like purchase price to rent ratio is very bad in southern California. And the exception is if you basically do vacation rentals, Because people are coming with like big groups and they're willing to spend several hundred dollars per night. And so if you can get 300 bucks a night that's like close to 10,000 bucks a month for a place that might only rent for 3,000 bucks and so basically changes the math pretty dramatically. So yeah, it's worked. Well for us is we have hasn't even been a year. But we've been making money. We're like cash flow positive and all the good things you want and real estate. That's fantastic amazing. It's it's really cool to hear as well because we see you just kind of pump in index funds and just keeping it simple, which is certainly a great play to Do but at the same time you're getting into the real estate. So I'll be looking forward to watching more of that Journey. Yeah, I talked most about index funds because I think most of my followers are beginners and I think index funds are the really best place to start because it's the best way to kind of get your feet wet and I think real estate's good to I like both obviously. I'm about 50/50 my portfolio right now, but also real States much more complicated. It's basically like starting a business and Instagram doesn't really lend itself to super detailed complex topic. So I'm trying to keep Very simple, so that's why it's mostly that index funds on my Instagram. It's good strategy. Oh, yeah now to go back to the business you started that that's amazing that you manage that but what was such a good business idea that you thought was worth turning down a job at Microsoft. I had no idea. I had no idea what I was doing when I was a punk 22 year old. I got like, you know back then at my offer was 74 thousand dollars a year plus like up to $15,000 a year in profit sharing which would be what would that be $89,000 something which at the time was just you know, this was about 20 years ago now. I guess they didn't have a big brand. That's true. Not the time. You wouldn't have known but and so is your company that you started was that about yeah, so I didn't know what I was doing. I shouldn't want a real job when I left college. And so I basically started a company and I didn't know what it was doing. I really have no idea and I was this dumb kid that didn't know any better and I started off as me just trying to like sell websites to people and like I was like, I'm a computer programmer people hire me to do work. And so I like what do like custom computer program or custom software and you know, it didn't really work very well because people wanted a very specific solution to their very specific problem. They don't want to hire a programmer because no one knows how to do that. And so kind of like through trial and error I eventually figured out that I needed to provide a private product. And so I moved into the rental housing space and I started basically doing websites for landlords. And then I made a product that was in a rental housing advertising service for landlords called rent links are ENT else. An X and the way that worked is if you are a renter and you want to look for an apartment, you could go to Zillow or parmesan calm and rentals.com or apartment guide. There's like 50 of these different websites out there for renters and they all work pretty decently well and renters bounce back and forth between them. But if you're a landlord you have this challenge of which ones do I post to how do I pay them all how do I keep them all updated? And so I made a site where you could post once to rent links and automatically feed 50 different sites. If you had a photo or change the rent or update the description all those different sites are updated all your leads. The phone calls and emails from renters come back to you directly in are tracked in your account house was like a nice little portal for you know, blasting your rental advertisements out. Yeah, you kind of get in there as a broker, but then it's like you're yeah helping the other end of the people. That's really cool. Thanks fascinating. And and what is what was what are some key takeaways that that experience really taught you you know a million little things and I think the like two big things I would give as So the advice to people starting a business our number one persistence if you looked at what I was doing in the first several years. It was a mess. I'm know I was doing it was ugly. The brand was terrible. The the idea was terrible. The execution was terrible, but I just kind of never gave up and every single day I came in and like tried to make something better and learn something and and do it a little better and as the other half of the coin, which is number two, which is Improvement. It's a persistence alone won't do it because If you just keep persistently doing the same crappy thing, you'll kind of keep you in the same crappy result. But if every single day you try to make one little thing better and never give up if you like those two things in combination. I don't know if it's gonna happen in a week or if it's going to happen in 20 years. But if you were always keep pushing and you keep making things better, there's no place to go except for Success at the end of the day and so it took me, you know as they say overnight successes take about 10 years. And so it took me about 10 years and I get pushing every single day and finally, you know got a I was making money and we were hiring people and we're making about a million bucks a year when we got acquired. Wow. Yeah, that's super impressive and it just goes to show the perspective of really how much time it takes to build something like that. Certainly doesn't happen overnight. It does text. It's a lot of work and it's the thing is like I need there's never there's never a guarantee when you're when you're starting you just kind of I like pictures like looking out into a black void you like don't know what's out there and you hope their success and the thing is you can never know. But if you don't try you'll We never get there. And so when you look at the most, you know, fabulously wealthy people in plant, they're all started businesses. And that's the only way to do it. But none of them were guaranteed that success, you know, and so if you don't start a business you definitely won't and if you do you only might and so that's kind of like the risk of being an entrepreneur. Yeah. Well the more that I just kind of try and keep app my idea that I have the more I realized how important it is to to not stay idle because the opportunity cost of not acting on any ideas I think is far bigger than you know, if You have that idea you gotta act on it taking action such a big part, too. Yeah, that's awesome. And so do you remember what your first purchase was when you were a lot younger my first purchase ever? Yeah with money. So I should whoa. Let me rephrase that with a yeah, so going back as someone that's kind of a personal finance Advocate and a coach. What do you remember looking back? What was your first purchase like as a small child you mean? Yeah, I guess they're in your memory. Sorry. Yeah, I think maybe when I was like, A kid and we were given like the tiniest bit of Freedom like a 9 or 10 year olds or something where I could like ride my bike to the corner store like half a mile away or something and get some bubble gum or yeah, I think actually I like Lemonheads. I think there were sold and like I didn't have very much money. And so I think I would get the cheapest candy, which was Lemonheads. I think they're like 10 cents man. Like I remember being young and hearing my like parents to all like used to get us to stick a bubble gum for a penny or they're like that makes me stop because like I only buy anything for And sense anymore, but it was like a really a little crappy handy. I got a normal candy was probably like 50 cents or a dollar or something. But yeah, go by go buy me some lemon heads for 10 cents because I could afford they were like, they're sour I don't really like sorry, but after you got past this hour then they would like we're like sugary. So I guess I just haven't had good flavor to yeah. Yeah nice. And so what kind of give you the idea then that as you started this business to invest at the same time because looking back it seems like you had a good vision of money. So who taught you? You too to think like a financially literate individual. So I was I had a ton of Fortune in my life. I was very privileged. I had like to married parents for most of my life. They eventually got divorced but they both had jobs. We were like at least the middle class maybe upper middle class. I went to I went to a public school but a good public school, you know, I had all sorts of like things going for me and one of the things I'm going for me as a dad who was very financially Savvy especially compared to like the average person like, Now we have like slightly different difference of opinions that I'm like super opinionated about everything but you know, he for-sure understood the value of investing in the value of living below your means. And so when I was 14 or 15, I had my very first ever paid job. I worked at a summer camp over the summer. I think I made like 1,500 bucks during the summer and so my dad very wisely open up a Roth IRA in my name and one of the rules of a Roth IRA is that you can't contribute more than you make per year. So if you make zero dollars per year you can't contribute. A Roth IRA. They don't want you to like have fictionally a made-up money from somewhere to contribute right earned income and so he took $1,500. Okay, even as a kid you think that they'd want to encourage that in a way like, you know investing for your kids while they're young. But yeah, I mean, but I guess like the Roth IRAs in and there's I think there's other like investment accounts for like college savings and stuff. But for this one I let Security tax shelter, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, so you're Canadian, so it's more of like, I think it's like a rrsp or something as the Canadian equivalent. Yeah, the the tfsa I think is the Roth IRA one and then the R1 K is the RS Parker. Yeah. So yeah. So basically he opened one in my name and then put 1,500 bucks of his own money in there because he wanted to like let me have mine to like spend or save or whatever and so I and then I think he kind of explained it more as I got older and was like, okay. This is an investment and you buy mutual funds in here and you don't touch it for a long time and it grows and so, you know, maybe didn't make a ton of sense to me. But then I guess when I like I kind of came online at 21 or 22 and I was like, oh, yeah collect again. I should be putting money in this thing and right and I you know, as I think that's something that a lot of people who the average person. Yeah, you mean though, they don't have access to that with a good parent who was financially literate themself. And so the average person sees money as something to spend not as something to invest and so I have had that hey money can make money if you start early from the from a young age. It just goes to show how much of a Friends that makes that's amazing that you had, you know the support there with your parents and that you know, that that guidance it plays such a big factor in who you are today. Yeah, because I'm very fortunate and I am doing this partially because I know not every kid has that fortune. And so I want to reach young and middle-aged people who don't have that Financial experience and kind of give them. You know, what I've spent a lifelong of experience and reading, you know in a easily digestible way. Yeah, and you have like on your website. It's so clean cut and straight to the point. Do you mind going into the the habits that you mentioned the first three? That three Bedrock ones sure. This website is like terribly design and out-of-date like I'm a computer programmer to and it's like so do you coded this? Which language? Can you can you write in a lot? I'm pretty language agnostic, you know, this was just quick and dirty I built it with WordPress and a lot of the stuff is there's some custom PHP and some custom JavaScript and there's some custom other JavaScript makeshift stuff. Yeah. It's not good though. Yeah, and honestly, I instead of going to these are actually go coming from a computer program running. It looks fine. So sorry, I think of likes intensely. There's like I think I actually have changed. I'm going to give you instead of giving me the giving you these three habits. I'm going to be the two rules. I boiled down to two rolls of personal finance Club. There's exactly two things. If you do these two things you build wealthy become wealthy. If you don't do these two things you stay broke rule. Number one is live below your means that means spend less money than you make so if you make $50,000 a year spent 45 or $40,000 a year because if you make 50,000 you spend 50,000 you'll be broke every single time you do the math and if you make 250,000 and you spend two hundred fifty thousand, you'll be broke every single time and I know people who do both those things and whether you make 50 or 250, it's a hundred percent possible to spend every single penny you make as they say you can't out-earn bad spending habits. So if every time you get a raise you just keep ramping up your you know, your lifestyle you'll say bro and the second. Yeah, let's it's gone. It's gone. Like that's yeah, and it's It's terrible, you know, there's no way to get it back and every dollar you spend is really like a dollar Thirty you have to make because tax has been taken out of that spending right? So when you spend that money, it's like it's spending is so damaging because it's because to make it you have to make dollar Thirty and then you say that you only get a dollar to spend and we lose that dollar that dollar could have been like three four five six or ten dollars if you invested it and so like burning that tack after tax dollar is like the worst thing you can do financially now, I'm We all need to spend money to live because that's how the world works. But if you spent it all that you've missed a huge opportunity which is real number to invest early and often which is after you've live below your means the difference between what you make and what you spent that extra part you invest and you have that money grow and that is how you build build wealth. And so people who do those things they spend less than they make and they invest the difference. They become Millionaires and multimillionaires. If you don't do those two things you just stay broke and it's really that simple and all the other stuff and like that. The nuances about which Investments to make and real estate versus index funds and ETFs and taxes and all the stuff, you know, it's just kind of fine-tuning. But if you don't do this, if you don't do those two things you're in trouble and if you do you'll be okay one way or another. Yeah be it helps being comfortable just with some of those terms as well and knowing how to adapt with it because like it's constantly changing but I think once you have that understanding, it just makes it so much easier and you have so much more confidence with your money. Yeah for sure. Yeah, great. Great answer there. It's great that you're doing that too. It's for the people you can tell that you're really humble guy and you just want to kind of share the the the great experiences of your life. And yeah, that's awesome. So Jeremy, I've got the big question that I like to ask my guests. If you can think of if you can think of three big Investments could be choices or even mistakes that you've learned from either in time money or energy that have helped get you to where you are today. What would be three big ones in your life? I Acted you my ass is question. That's why I thought about it ahead of time. So for time, you know, actually just today while I was working on this new condo that I paid this insane amount of money for and there's like the bunch of these dudes really nice strong like talented guys that were working on the plumbing and the lighting and the putting a beam in and like this all this stuff and you know, kind of dummy it's weird like these guys are like working guys and I'm basically paying them all to be there and I'm like I was like why like what who put me in this situation like why? As I understood situation and it basically goes back to like 20 years ago when I was in school and I learned computer programming and I made a specific choice to go into a field that was going to be lucrative and I got good grades and I got good internships and I you know all the stuff that the time wasn't paying me I don't get paid to go to school you barely get paid to have an internship you don't get paid to get good grades right and then, you know, then I started the business and I put time in there and again I wasn't being paid or getting paid almost nothing for a long Time and so for all this, you know investing of my time over and over and over then fast forward 20 years. It had it's paid off and now I'm in this position were these guys who are maybe just maybe they were making the same amount of money the day they got a schools they were today because like Plumbing when you're 20 and plumbing when you're 40 or whatever pays about the same and so like that investment of time school education to build this well that I have now has really paid off me. Yeah, that's brilliant. Was there anything that helped you decide the Your programming would be something that would you know help you get to your end goal. I went to school during like the original.com boom. And I mean basically I like the engineering because I didn't have to take a foreign language and I knew I was good at math and science and I was really going to go into mechanical engineering and then I basically the first year freshman course at the University of Michigan, you have to take a class called engineering 101, which is a programming course and I just crush this chorus. I was like really really good at it and program is one of those things. You either get it or you don't and I feel bad for the people who want to do it and don't get it because your brain is kind of it's like you can't really study your way out of that. You just kind of have to have that like computer programming thinking brain, right? And so I realized that I did I was like, all right, I'm prior to do it because it's fun and it's like I like it and I'm good at it and it's a good time to be doing it. So that's why I went into. Okay cool. Yeah. Sorry for the question and the question there. I just found that interesting as you see it's great how you kind of connect all the dots when you're making your decisions and you consider all the options so Now tell me another story. What was number two so money time money were on money the money. I got to give the shout out to my index funds. If you follow me on Instagram at personal finance Club people. Listen, mostly you'll see I'm talking about index funds and I said about half of my portfolio about two million bucks plus or minus is an index funds right now and so an index fund is basically like a very simple low-cost way to buy the entire an entire Market. And so instead of picking and choosing stocks or paying someone to hyphae to choose stocks for you. You basically buy an index fund which buys everything for you and it guarantees you your fair share of market growth. And if you know, you read any of the classic books on investing anything by Jack Bogle or you know, random walk down Wall Street or like in any of these books like they're going to Peter Lynch or yeah, Ben Graham older stuff, right? Yeah, even even Warren Buffett now it says that he's going to Paul's my index fund when he you know, when he passes on a river because like Anyone who really doesn't put yeah anyone who really knows what they're talking about and doesn't have an ulterior motive is going to say. Yep, and that fund is probably the way to maximize your your money. And so and I personally am a big proponent of the target date Index Fund which is basically a basket of three or four or five index funds like a u.s. Index fund and international index fund and the bond index fund and these things are automatically rebalanced and reallocate over time. And so if you're a person who wants to invest in doesn't know how go find yourself a Target An index fund just keep plowing money in early and often and you will be a wealthy person your old age. And those are already Diversified and set up for you. Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, so they pick the asset allocation. So if you they're all based on a year, so you take your birth year and you add 65. So if you're born in 1990, you add 65 and you get 20 55 and so there's a 2055 targeted Index Fund which is basically going to be for your age the right balance of us International and bonds and then they're all automatically rebounds and reallocated for you until Going all in one and I've never really heard and coherent logical argument why you shouldn't put a hundred percent of your money in a targeted and next one. Any any other strategy is basically gamblers advice like oh no like there's a hot sector or this this new ETF or this one stock and that might be an index fund for sure and I might not but over time it almost certainly won't because the tried and true method of diversifying and maximizing your different asset classes is how you're going to win. It's already taken care of. For you. Yeah, that's great. And do you mind sharing what broker you use for your own personal Investments? I have a Fidelity account in a Vanguard account. Most of my money's with Fidelity just because it's a better website in my opinion. I've been using for a long time. I'm a big fan of Vanguard. I think they're altruistic if anyone ever recommends Vanguard, I give them total props because that's like the founder of the index fund and there the oh geez. Yeah, the Original Gangster. I do think their technology kind of sucks personally. Like I don't think that their websites all that great all that stuff. But I have some money in there to just mostly like educational for me so I can like speak about how to use it. Schwab is like the third biggest one in the US and there's you know, but I got no issue with like the most of the robo advisors like better mean I think those are fine. They charge a little bit of a higher fee, but just like a Target Index Fund it's all in one. So there's you know, there's lots of good options and they basically all qualify for rule number two investor line off and right. So if you're if you're putting $1,000 a month in the second best brokerage or a hundred dollars a month in the best brokerage, you're going to be way better off. A thousand dollars a month, right? Like that's the big difference is putting more money and not like picking the exact right brokerage know you're lucky your original lump sum could be $500 $100. But as long as you keep putting it in that's where the money gets out of that. Definitely like the yeah, the putting more money in is how is how you get rich for sure. Not all the little nuances issues. I'm investing. No, it's so true. It's like less is more the more people we can get to understand that the better you guys are very fortunate in the u.s. You just recently got or All of the Brokers recently cut the commission's for most of your investing fees. So in Canada, I remember calling my bank and asking them if they were going to do that and remove the fees, but unfortunately, we're not so you guys get the benefits of no cost to like average Downer dollar cost average over time. Yeah, so I know I get a lot of questions from people either in Canada overseas and I don't mean I don't know a lot of time because I like live here and we don't have you know, just like you guys don't have access to our Brokers as I don't have access to yours and We definitely have kind of like the best investment opportunities in the world with like unlimited Index Fund choices and ultra low fees. And and I think that competition will eventually go out. I swear. I feel like a lot of the technology and and downward pressure on prices often starts in the US and then, you know spreads to other countries as it becomes more competitive. But yeah, I we've got good here. Yeah. I hope we get it eventually, but at least at least the US has kind of started the trend so then we have someone that we can can follow along. And you're right now, it's quite nice to see the the financial technology companies popping up offering Robo advisors there. There's even a couple in Canada or there are a few that offer free financial planning along with like a monthly management fee that's significantly cheaper over the long period of time. So yeah a lot of different ideas. So I'll let you finish. What's number three for energy energy and time seemed pretty similar to me, but I went With the more literal interpretation of energy. I used to be a runner and I ran through middle school high school and college and I end up getting a partial scholarship to the University of Michigan and I broke a School record at the universe, Michigan which I still hold the six hundred meter dash. I ran the 400 800 few track fans out there around 46 8 and 149 for the 400-800 pretty fast pretty good for college and you know that, you know just like anything was an investment in my energy right? Like I wasn't, you know, you're We have the couch one day's a random kid. I would get last in a race like anything but you know, I suddenly found that I like I was okay running and I showed up the first day of cross-country practice and end up in last place and I was like, okay. Well, I'm gonna just keep going and going and going you show up every day and like between the combination of like persistence. That's the one to be persistent. Yeah, and you, you know, if you just start running more and running faster every single day for months and years on end, you're going to be really good at running, you know, like, you know, maybe you won't be College like me or maybe you'll Blipping I don't know it at some point. Like there's a natural-born ability that you know plays a role but I think like a lot of the kids on my team simply were there because they were like, you know workhorses like they weren't they didn't have the god-given talent and they probably would never be Olympians but there's good enough to get to a division one college which is pretty impressive and just because they put the investment of their energy and right and that's cool. You could be a college athlete and the and those that don't really like it's kind of no surprise that the guys are on College the guys that run them Most right like because they put the investment of energy and so that was my energy answer you got to put that work and that's great. You see those infographs these days as well saying how Usain Bolt invested all this time for that, you know that 10 seconds brand but you've essentially done the exact same thing but growing up we put in the running training and then you kept that same persistence in your investing it took me more than 10 seconds though. Yeah. Well 49. You said 42 seconds before I think their world record is as 42. Siren 46 8 which is 46 about five seconds off the world record. But those are five very important seconds still pretty incredible speed. They're like taking their shoes off by the time I like still across the Finish Line. Yeah, and you still run today just long-distance for exercise or sometimes I switch to beach volleyball and that's why I moved to San Diego to play more competitively. I'm a solid beach volleyball player, but not, you know, super good and Knees are kind of beat up. And so I have you know years of running and beach volleyball have left me to kind of make choices about how I'm going to spend my knees these days. Yeah, Pharaoh, I guess you can try and enjoy it as long as you can while they are still working for you. That's right. Nice. And how tall are you? I'm six foot four about 200 pounds these days. So yeah, I was a big dude for a runner. Yeah. Well you talk length. Yeah, do you guys use a few inches for a height and Canada? We actually use centimeters are do you? Okay? I think I like 194 195 or something. That sounds about right. Yeah. I'm trying to picture just under two meters. Yeah, the funny thing is those as although we do officially on our licenses and our identification. We measure in centimeters we do pretty much keep track of inches to so I remember being 4 foot nine up until grade 11 or 12. I was Tiny always growing up. Yeah. I was really small. Really and so right now I'm five four. Yeah, I never was gifted with a lot of the hype but I definitely had a bigger had a lot of quickness and in different ways climbing and there's like seven big inches you got like later in life there. So if you're like a seventeen-year-old for a night out it was looking pretty like five Florin know you're a hold on it. If I look back. Sorry would have been five footnote 4 9 and grade. Yeah grade nine. So sorry I was for 9:00 till Grade 9 and then I grew to be 5/4 and grade 12, but I remember my brother was quite short as well. And I was really confident that I would grow to be taller than him and I would rub it in his face. So you just wait two years. I'm going to be five nine. I'm gonna get that growth spurt and it never came. Oh, no. She still taller. He's still taller. Yeah. He $100 been a long time. Sure. Do you've conceded already might solve a couple more inches in you. I might maybe you know maybe with this this newfound energy and passion of mine. It might give me a little bit more but that's funny. Actually the other day. I saw an old friend of mine night. I swear. She gotten shorter. She's like no, you probably got taller ha ha. There you go. Maybe it's time to remeasure go go find your brother. Yeah, seriously get them to push his shoulders down. But no, that's cool. I find running is a very very great form of exercise just kind of getting that stress out and letting those endorphins kind of come through. It's really nice. Yeah, I agree. All right, sir. I got a few more now. Can you share some of your early experiences using credit cards? I remember looking through your bio and you mentioned how you you actually first used credit cards to fund your company. Do you mind sharing a little bit about that and how you would recommend people use credit cards going forward? Sure. Yeah when I was starting my company, I did not make enough money to live. I think my first year of Revenue was about fourteen thousand dollars and that doesn't even count the expenses. It's after expenses. You know, what front much because I was just like a kid on a computer whatever but you know still to pay, you know, whatever your bills and yeah, whatever random stuff you're buying. Yeah, so I might be took home. Her $10,000 that year which wasn't enough to even pay rent and buy food. And so I basically live in a credit card and not saying that's a good idea. I'm not recommending it. But you know, there's only so many ways you can fund a business and credit card is not the worst one. I guess. No, it's actually true. I mean if you have some sort of way to make the return back, it's not the worst which is kind of funny. Irony. I think but yeah, sorry go on. Yeah. I mean, I definitely like, you know shudder to like recommend it because I think that a lot of people hero this successful guy. Start a business on credit cards therefore. I should go back up a zillion dollars in credit card debt. I mean I did it extraordinarily carefully and I did it all with the knowledge that I could stop at any time to close the business down and go get a job and pay it off a nun in like less than a year. So I right that's really sorry that's important to say though because like you had that thought at least in the back your mind I did I mean, you know, I was definitely trying to work hard and be persistent but I also wasn't being Reckless and I did basically have that plan B, which was to get a job and I knew I was in Horrible because like Microsoft and give me a job. And so I racked up $10,000 in credit card debt the first year just to live and then the second year I made a little bit more money for my business and I my credit card debt went from 10 to 12,000 then during the third year basically the business of making enough money where I cut myself a check for $12,000 and then paid off my credit card debt and one payment which is nice and so I basically got out of it. And other than that, I've never had credit card debt. I still use a credit card. I paid off in full every month. I don't Chase credit card points. I think there's a big there's like this these big communities of like people like deal Chasers and point Chasers and I think that those overwhelmingly are counterproductive because they basically like glorify and incentivize spending and people like off you're gonna spend the money. Anyway, why don't you get the points? I was like, yeah, that's true. But you know, when you look at actual studies, look at actual Behavior, would you have spent that much money if the points were in the back of your mind, would you have spent that much money if you're paying with cash inside with a credit card and the answer is almost certainly overwhelmingly. And so people are spending like 10 20 30 40 percent more money in order to get 2% cash back. That is not a good deal. You know, the better deal is just to spend less. So I use I use a credit card but I I use it and I do get the points but I don't like do any games. I don't try to chase points. I have a bunch of different cards that use I just try to spend as little as I can I take the points because why not and then I paid off in full every month. Yeah. Sounds like that's how he's going to cards. Good. Yeah, and that's how people should I do I give this presentation to high schools and I like to bring up the point that in 2016 credit card companies made six sixty three point four billion dollars in interest alone. Yep, and it just baffles me like they're projecting that they'll make a hundred billion in 2020. Like that's strictly off people that don't know how to use their product properly, right? They just buy into the advertising. It's crazy. Yeah, and then you hear people like oh, yeah, I'm gonna get a free flight. I'm going to get this I'ma get these points I was like is like you're not beating the credit card companies. Trust me. Like they've worked that into their cost like that, you know, and and you know, and maybe like, oh, well all the all the all the dumb people are paying interest while I'm like getting all these points. I was like, I still don't think you're being the credit card companies. I think I think they're on dears. I think you're onto your little scheme about, you know, bouncing around between different credit cards over. So yeah, I'm very very careful about that type of credit card use Fair. Yeah. I mean hey if you've got the cash. And you don't need it so much. So another good one for you. I think you'll like this what came first Jeremy or the fire movement. Now, did you start being Frugal and planning this before that or is that something that came after honestly like only kind of like became aware of the fire movement very recently. I think I did you probably after I retired in quotes like, you know, I don't really love these they were tired even though it's on my Instagram bio mostly just to catch people's attention, but you know, I still work plenty and I'm actually going to start another company next year. So I still have like plenty of work and career in front of me. But yeah, I love the farm owner. The more I learn about the Mormon do it. I like that. They've given a name to it and this like old, you know, people are a lot of people ask me like what's the correct amount of money to invest and always like this so weird like the correct amount is like as much as you can because like what the glory of the goal is freedom. The goal is to like not have to work not that you have to quit not that like you're going to send your couch watching Netflix all day. But like what's the you know, like when they say the correct amount like are you worried about investing too much and having too much money later or being able to shave five years off your career something like was that the fear so I love the fire movement. I like I was Frugal and investing the whole thing before is aware of it. But even for myself I like those kind of put a box around my own way of thinking about this in mind, you know how to like, you know, the safe withdrawal rate and how much money you need to be able to quit safely and all this stuff. So, I don't know who came first, but we found ourselves like a couple years ago for found each other a couple years ago now, that's a great way to put it I think I became aware of it earlier this year early 2019 from some some blog posts. So it's obviously been around for a while. And as a concept it just I think some people either just get it earlier on and and that's kind of how they model their lives and others don't now, what does your definition of retirement mean? Yeah. Like I said that that buzzword I don't love because retirement kind of evokes ideas of like sitting on a rocking chair with a quilt over your legs and just like whittling away the time let's crazy. If you think back the word retire was like when a farm animal was no longer able or I think what was the cow is no longer able to give milk. It would be retired and sent her to the yard until his facts, right? So I hope that loud it means for me. Is that what I've no no, it certainly won't be but no it's great that you know, you say that you don't like to use that word and I understand that because Society has given it such a powerful definition. So yeah, can you just elaborate what that means for you as someone with now freedom and options Yeah, I mean that's what does me it means freedom. So like I prefer the term like financially free or financially independent and so basically means like you don't have to do what your boss says anymore if you don't want or you can quit if you want or you can choose how you spend your time or you can choose to start a company. You can choose to like take time off to be with your kids or whatever the case may be. And so I mean as a story like I have a friend who's not retired, but she was working as a nurse and then her sister was gonna have a wedding and the boss. I came to her and said hey you have to work this weekend and she's like I can't work. I had my sister as a wedding and the boss is like too bad. You have to be here and then she's like, okay. Well, I won't so let me know if I have a job either way is fine and like being able to like not miss your sister's wedding is like Financial Freedom right and missing your sister's wedding because you are a slave to your job as like, you know, financial and servitude or whatever. And so that's you know, like I said, it's not about retirement me and so for me I could do what I want and I like I spend my days helping people learn. Best not just happens to be the topic we're talking about but it's also thing I love doing and I also do photography and I coach High School beach volleyball for free and I do a lot of other volunteering and like three other jobs. I forgot and I'm gonna start another company next year which is going to hopefully like help change the world in a positive way. And so I love hearing that. Yeah. Sorry don't mind if I ask a few questions. So that's Financial Freedom me. It's oh, yeah, whether it's not it's not technically retirement because I'm not rocking on the my front porch with a quilt over my legs, but but I do get to direct my Time as I see fit now, which is nice. That's great. Like clearly you're wise and smart man. And so it's great to hear your definition because everyone's gonna got to make their own. Thanks. Yeah. Do you mind sharing a little bit about what what that business plan is for next year is that we're still a secret. So I have a partner normally a very transparent and I have a partner who I haven't like cleared about like putting this on any like sort of prescient. And so and we don't even have like the name everything figured out but yes, I guess I can't say anything about Hillary's infirmary. That's okay, but ones it That to detect launch 2020 barely have talked about yet. So I I've I've a friend is a very successful entrepreneur also and we basically decided to start a business and he said when can you start I said, I want to like finish up some stuff first on January. I'm getting a job starting a company TBD what the product is and all that but I'll let you know, but hopefully we'll have some sort of MVP like in late 2020, hopefully. Yeah, either way. Oh that's exciting because when chapter closes another one opens you get to start something new now with you know, the Inspired to change that's good. Yeah. We'll see. I hope it's good or it could be a massive failure and then I won't get on podcast anymore because people don't want to talk to a loser. Yeah. I'm sure you've definitely gotten used to failing and keep going that's not going to turn deter you at this point. Yeah, that's great. And so on that note then you said you liked doing photography and traveling where some of the favorite places that you've been to. Yeah, I guess I coached beach volleyball in Italy for a couple months and on a trip I went to Croatia. One of the most beautiful countries event to and Slovenia. There's a place called Ljubljana, which is a bunch of elves and use in Jays in it, which is cool. I went to Australia for five weeks, which is beautiful. I've done a lot of South America and Colombia and Peru and Chile and Bolivia done some Central America. That's actually next on my list. So Iraq where well, I'm going to Mexico over the break for about 12 days just to go to Tulum and then visit a friend in Mexico City, but I traveled quite a bit in my past and the only continent I haven't covered besides Antarctica South huh? And so I'd like to do some sort of a Colombia Peru Chile Argentina Brazil. I got a nice big you trip down the line. I mean, it's obviously it's ambitious. And now that I have this kind of entrepreneurial side of me that that's coming out. I don't know exactly how well those two go together, but it's still an idea. So if ever that that trip does come I definitely know I can ask you for some advice. Yeah. That's a pretty I mean those those are some pretty big countries you mentioned so I could probably spend two to three weeks and each of them. But yeah recommended beautiful is like it's an amazing continent as much of it that I've seen at least great. And what do you like to take photography of or what kind of pictures how do I like just it's like an adventure you can go hiking and try to catch like the sunset or catch moon or stars. And so I do a lot of like Landscapes. I have some kind of like hyper realistic stuff with with moons, like really big moons over over Landscapes and sun-like star trails that have like you can point your camera towards the North Star for several hours. And then you get these like big traumatic colorful circles as like the stars Circle over you in the sky. Yeah. It's like a pretty cool just like was this kind of like marriage of technology and nature and you get to that kind of see see it through a different lens pun intended I guess but yeah, that's a that's a Costas. I like doing the most I think nice that's good. It's important to find those. Have you ever seen the Northern Lights? Well when I was a kid, I lived in northern Michigan and I like my parents. Was happening sometime. They didn't wake me up or something. But I've never seen them actually. Love you. Have you here in Canada? You're closer. I have not. I not I know I should have but they they're pretty far up north. So they're they're typically more visible in the western part of the country. So above probably like where Michigan would be and then all the way out west that's where you can see them more but you've got to go up high and a couple hours North. I remember I was in Jasper once when they were said to be out, but there were clouds, of course in the way so we couldn't see them but His on The Bucket List. Yeah, nice. Yeah, me too. But man it's cold up there. So I guess you gotta figure out how to stay warm when you're washing them. Yeah, I'm sure there are ways but it seems like their times of the year that our best to go. So just have to nail those in but now hey, at least you've got the the Financial Freedom that you can do that really when it would fit into your schedule. That's right. I gotta remind you that so don't let any things on your bucket list go unchecked. That's true. That's part of the challenge. I guess. That's it. Well before we end off Did any so any advice that you can give to people that are interested in maybe starting in real estate investing? Yeah, real estate stuff and it's not my specific area of expertise, but I would say you would want to start learning and reading books and also find people who do it and ask them the questions and ask if you can go a long with them and see what they're doing. There's like this Japanese phrase that Toyota executive use use that basically translates to go to the place and see the thing and it sounds silly but these are these Executives would be trying, you know are often sitting there in their executive suites looking at Excel. She's trying to figure how to improve profits but these Toyota Executives like go to the manufacturing line and like Stan these little boxes and just like watch for an hour or a day or a week or whatever and then they're like, okay this is going bad because this one guy is working constantly and his other three guys are waiting from the finished. So if we have two guys on that job suddenly all you know, they see things they wouldn't have seen otherwise Spreadsheet and so with real estate, I would encourage you to go to the place and see the thing and that might be find someone in your area or friend who owns a few rental properties and ask them ask to look at their books or go. Like see what the lease is look like our ask if you can go on a remodel trip or you know how they analyze a property and you know and just have them walk through it and people like if people if you ask people's opinion, yeah, they love talking about themselves. That's why I'm doing this podcast so I can talk about myself. And so when you ask for someone's advice like almost always there. Be thrilled to help you write and share how they found success and you know, I'd ask the few different people so you don't get an overly biased source of just one person, but I think that's the best way to get involved in real estate because it's hard to just you can't let go to website click a button in the way. You can't the next one's you kind of got like learn the business. Yeah. No, that's so true. Great point and if you get that good advice take it. Don't let it go. Yeah. Nah, that's awesome Jeremy. I'll thank you so much for coming on the show and joining me today is been nice to actually get to catch up and get to know you. Yeah. Thanks for having. I appreciate you inviting me Jordan. I'm a fan of the show and a checked out your ebook and I like your your other podcast your Instagram. So keep up the good work and we're going to together. We're going to help solve all the world's first channel Finance problems, right? Yes, we are. All right good. Thanks so much, man. Yeah, it's great before we head off. Jeremy's there anything you can say to the guests for advice. Hey, I always tell I was answering my the two rules of personal finance Club rule. Number one live below your means and number to invest early and often. And that's why I recommend to do that's it. That is actually the best advice you can really get. Thanks so much. Yeah, my pleasure and I'm a dummy and I totally forgot to ask Jeremy to let everyone know where they can find him. So you can find Jeremy's content at personal finance Club on Instagram, or you can go to his website at personal finance club.com and Big Ups to Jeremy for letting me know about an app called Zen caster, which is the reason why we both sound so good in this podcast. Basically, he solved the issue of the crappy connection. I had before putting the phone on speaker and connecting from the mic. So thank you Jeremy for being awesome and just passing out a passing that information on to me so that I could make this better for all the listeners out there. So thank you Jeremy. You can find this podcast on Spotify Apple podcast Google podcast breaker radio public and a tanker dot f m / highly invested. Thank you so much for listening everybody if you found this valuable and you got some good information out of it. Please go subscribe to highly invested leave a rating or review. It would be really helpful to help with the organic reach and it would be great to know who's listening as well. But please pass this on to anyone else that you think might get some value out of it. I just want to help everyone achieve success in their own best personal way. So thanks so much for listening everybody. This is your host Jordan highly signing off stay highly invested in yourselves till next time.

Episode 20 features Jeremy Schneider, the content creator and personal finance nerd behind the account  @personalfinanceclub. He retired at 36 years old,  owns real estate, an advocate for Index Funds and trolls IG scammers on the daily (I wish I would have asked about that, next time). Find out how Jeremy managed to sell his business and retire from the rat race with plans to start a new company to give back and help others. Find him on IG @personalfinanceclub and the website www.personalfinanceclub.com His biggest investments: Studying Computer Programming, Target Date Index Funds, Persistence and Dedication to things like Running, Education. This podcast is for anyone who wants perspective. My mission is to   create a world of mindful, financially literate individuals. Imagine  how great the world could be if everyone invested in themselves a bit  more instead of wasting resources to impress people they don't even  like? Be the change you  want to see and people will notice. It  shouldn't be frowned upon to talk  about money so get highly invested in  yourself,  your future self will  thank you for it.

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My son and I'm kind of hidden a little bit and there's a woman walks up and she looks at me realizes that she's about to she has now caught me and then just continues and just was like instead of being like Oh She was like, you know, fuck you and I was like, you know what I don't care. Fuck you is this really that important to me Subway does my son have to eat now, you know what because you were trained on the actual Subway trained by whom for what purpose by Society to ignore other people and tell everyone to go I get up for a pregnant woman. I'll get up. For a senior citizen never sit down your whatever your a germaphobe it's really where my flip-flops today. I know he's making it really uncomfortable. You can watch us on YouTube like weirdo peed here does we're not getting into that again. I'm sick of it. Don't do it last week. We talked about Mother's Day. We got our we talked about pet mom's day. I'm sorry, which I consider to be Mother's Day. Right? I've changed my mind. I flip-flopped on the whole thing. We're going to do a we're going to do a whole separate episode where I praise pet Mom's, okay. We are we did we did both sides though, but we ended up kind of did we were on the same side? We have pretty well. I meant I now realize you were wrong. We tried to and I was wrong balanced and it ended up just being we were just both being deadly just shitting on people sitting right? Fuck your pets. Fuck your pets. So whether we got this well if they've been following me for a while, they've known that and you've known me for quite a while so you certainly know that now so we got a couple of comments. On the YouTube and on the audio on the audio version will call it apart a podcast. Yeah, they caught. Well, it's so the what we do what we want to try and do is that we have a YouTube channel and we post the videos there. And so we're hopeful trying to get the conversation going there because you can con Civic episode come on YouTube. 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Okay, Mary, we're gonna call you Mary for now. And all right. Goddamn it. We don't know Nate. So she said sorry pet owners is not the same. The house is on fire. You can only save one. Who are you saving your kid or your pet to which I say, which kid right? I have to well which ones Benedict that day. Or in General on balance or just more recently which one listened to me. When they I said, can you please brush your teeth and get ready for the bus and neither of them? How about that? And then she said yes pets are part of your family would so our kids there was no kids day damn right the rain because it everyday if you love your kids like we do do we though sometimes yeah and Sarge chimed in he said I enjoy the buffalo blue Company motto About Pets. I love them like family feed them like family yet. I am not cooking. My dog's a fucking meal that part's not Part of the motto. That was his I am not cooking. My dog's a fucking meal. Some people cook their dogs meals, right? I think I'll like go camp cook some shit or whatever. I don't know just cause like shit. Oh, I know it's being literal. I don't know dogs do like to eat shit neither of us have pets. And so that made it a really one at a time being I forgot to mention last week when I told my story about my cat shadow that got cancer and came back. We brought it in brought him to the vet and I cried I didn't cry just because there's like a routine check-up. Why don't we had to put the cat? To sleep. I realized I didn't say that and the thing so people might have been confused. I might have just thought I'm just a crier which I'm not I want the record to show. Okay good, right. Good job setting the record straight. Thank you. So he said my dogs are family Sarge continue to my dogs are family, but they are the Lesser beings of the household and are never celebrated. I like that. He really lays down the law. Not only is it not a pet a pet mom's pet dad's day. Fuck my dogs. That's the theme of this. I think they are never celebrated. I have to turned into one of those people who hate seeing those who glorify their pet like it's their child with a birthday party just like I had a co-worker who rumor had it was this guy is in his 50s who used to take his cats into Central Park in a baby carriage. I already don't like that person know it was a nice dude and let me just say once you found out that he supposedly did that. You weren't super surprised. Was it a cat? He was like Jerry, is it Parks and Recreations of the cat carriage, or was it an actual baby like you had to like Peel back the like come look at my child. He's pretending the whole time as a child. No, I don't know. I never saw it. I don't even know if it's true. Anyway, we're not talking about cat babies this week, but that may be a future cat baby. Yeah. Listen, it's all fair game it is. You never know what we're really going the bomb. Yeah, we're running out of topics. 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Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. All right, everybody as promised this week. We're going to be talking about playtime with kids. Playgrounds play spaces playdates and the like I'm going to tell you why I've been a stay-at-home dad by no choice of my own because I'm still unemployed. So I've been home a lot more and had to fill my toddler's time. And I'm also their pick up my third grader from the bus when he gets off it and the other day yesterday. This is fresh on my mind gets off the bus immediately wants to go to the playground which is around the corner, but normally I'm like do whatever I can to like Out of it and this time I was just like you know what? What else we got going on? Let's do it son. I love you. Right also, what else we got going? Yeah. It was a hot day. You want them running? I still had to kill a few more hours before it would be acceptable for me to start drinking like without raising any any alarms. Why would tell his it isn't ready in the morning? Yeah. Yeah exactly. So we walked over to the playground and he's waiting for his friend who was on the school bus who had to like run an errand to run to the store or Bodega or whatever and so I'm sitting there with my son and he sees some other kid in Like thrown water around my son wants no part of that and I'm gonna send you a sexy dance with a nice easy tie a nice person. Oh, yes, he's vultures that just sit there and wait for your kid to notice and then the kid just they are amazing these people she are in the park on a barbecue date all the time. Like six of them will start strolling through they just they know what to do in Little League. They show up everywhere and your kid immediately locks eyes. So I get them this thing with that it melts too fast. He doesn't want it and then I ate it and he got mad that I ate it the other thing that makes sense because kids. Yeah because this is a fun time. I'm this logic, but I'll try to keep my distance and I'm sitting in the corner and I'm like on my phone and I know people are looking at me why because people judge parents Riley phone not paying attention to shirt on or off my shirt was off. Obviously. It's a public park. I'm allowed but people get upset if they like that gonna say anything to me unless my kid falls or something, which is another reason. I don't like it. Yeah, like that's how they learn. I don't so so this whole thing is it's placed basis playground buffet time. Why don't we so we can get back? I was able to say no, why do we fall because some men just want to watch the world isn't that how it goes? I don't think joking it was a weird girl. Mostly it's like why do we fall this he kind of needs an enema because fuck you. I want to go to hospital. That's Hospital. Go back to England. Go to the hospital good when GM go to university limey might for Australian right there. I'm very good at accents. All right. So what I'm saying is I know you hate play spaces the most I can I hey talk about the playgrounds the most And it turns out here that everybody hates everything. So I asked the question on my Instagram live follow me there. You can chime in a lot of mica most of the comments I get from there. When I post a little question thing. I notice that neither you nor Nate follows me on Instagram, which is what yeah. Why would you have an account? I do follow you your wife has an account. Yeah. I shared something from her this week. Did you I did good something. I share every once in a while. It's heartbreaking noticed her followers touching went up by one of shit. Hey, I'm proud anyway, so I asked the question. Do you guys like taking your kids to the playground play dates or whatever. So I got a lot of anger. I don'ts so let's love it's come back. You're in the Park. Yeah. Oh, yeah or watching you so I only had a half an hour, right? So watch I'm just saying I'm going through all the comments. We're gonna get like this the whole experience in microcosm, right? This is why I hate it. We only have a half an hour because mama bear has an important phone call and the toddler isn't home. So I gotta go make sure the toddler is it all up in her face during her phone call? So I'm like Detective Munch. CH you got like 25 minutes and I have to warn him like when I get you you better not lose your shit because it's time to leave because it's so hard to get your kids off the playground. So I'm sitting there in my back against the brick wall feeling like I'm judged. I already spent money on something. My son is didn't want and he got mad about I'm watching them climb something where he's gonna fall the whole time. I'm bored out of my mind. I know parents are staring at me. One of the women here has actually seen me at the playground and recognize me is dead and buried and came up to me. Yeah, I'm gonna with comment from her and I'm going to read a comment from her later. I just I got so lucky that like that at that instant. I had like just been playing with my toddler and I pray I look like I was like a really involved add both. We're both there at did you bring yesterday? Only one was there? No, like I got out of that. Yeah. I was like honey, like I'm texting I'm like I'll be back. You know, I'll be back in time for your phone call or whatever. I didn't want to go get him. It's just a mess but it was super crowded. You don't know where they are half the time. I'm on my phone. I don't care where he is most of the time and then when people notice that it's a whole shit show. Show that I will say is a plus for play spaces because it's contained. Well, so is I mean a playgrounds contained to and usually they all have in New York. You can just run out the gate and you're in the middle of street and you can get on the car the subway and you're gone five minutes your kids go on forever by minutes natural selection. Boom. I had a conversation with my son about natural selection recently. That's just that's just natural selection said if you don't shape up or you're not gonna make it to the next round. My thing is is the selfless the selfishness of Kids when they're at the top of the playground and they're standing on. Oh, it should like being on tin. You're like get down and they don't get down and then they fall and he said laughing have fucking like require any medical attention. You are fucked like yeah. That is my warrant reason. I don't care if you're like internal organs are bleeding. I don't want to fight you ER but that's the main point. I don't want to go to your well not if we are going to hold it down. Hold a times 10, that's We should be saying I don't want to go to the ER get down from there. Yeah. Yeah, not like your hair if you're on the verge of ruining my night is the Game of Thrones. That's what we should say can't watch it tomorrow. I'll get spoiled. I want to go out tonight get down get down. I want my kid climbs those things and it's only kind of recently so I'm kind of like, oh cool, you know, he's got up the guts to like climb this stuff. But yeah, that's the other thing. You're like, you don't want to be the guy who's over there all time. I gotta be careful. Let me help you down because then he's never gonna do it again. He's gonna be scared and also old dad's though. It's not just old dad. It's concerned with that answer helicopter parents time. We'll get into that some other time. Okay, helicopter parents brought it. I brought it all. What's the opposite of a helicopter parent me well played so nobody likes the playground and I got it Catherine Drew said it is torture Megan Rockwell said absolutely not and in response to do you enjoy going I mean, I do it anyway, but I don't like it and then that pretty much sums up parenting 100% I do it but I don't like well hold on a second an obligation, but also Also, it's really about the age of the kid at the playground. We didn't get into that too much. Well sort of because on, you know, if you have a two-and-a-half-year-old and there's like 12 year olds running around, you know, he's the worst it's a nightmare. It's like the beginning of edge of tomorrow with Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt. They were he just keeps dying everywhere and the feel that movie is actually really good. But he's like there it's in like Normandy or whatever with aliens and like just chaos, right? It's like in the movie Forrest Gump which in Vietnam, that's a lovely it's like to be a nominal. I like that one. What others is my only represents the war you have you ever been at War if you've been in the shit, I feel like I'm in the shit right now the most my favorite Vietnam movie by the way is the deer hunter. Okay. Great. Thanks. Bye. It's not really a realistic depiction of War because it doesn't really deal with front lines. It's just a series of character studies the aftermath of War this is this not just but there's three stages. It's fucking it'll Rip Your Heart Out that movie strengthen me hates it storm 25 underscore van my life when someone has an underscore in their name. I really enjoy reading it out loud says no, it sucks Starry hymens is or not. We're back from your rant on the deer hunter. This is no this is all lines from the deer hunter Starry High who has commented before says going to take him and playground is a hell on Earth alternate universe where time stands still I that is Hardcore. I feel like these are that's your in the you got to be in the 2 2-3 Zone if these are no you don't write so I went with my eight-year-old and it's just boring. It's just boring. But I okay. I like to be on my phone, but it you maybe this doesn't happen to you. But I do occasionally feel judged and I don't care that much because it's stupid that the parents not allowed to be honest is just sitting there watching your kid there. But I like I'm probably not and sometimes you can't be totally absorbed in your phone. You got to look up and know where your kid is from time to time. Right? But I've accepted I like being on my phone more than I like living my actual life. Yeah. I'm glad Mama Barry doesn't listen this because she'll be like I fucking knew it. But at the playground it's a little more Equitable and shit because if your kid does Fall and you're caught on your phone at that minute, you're the ultimate dick, totally right? That's the thing. Okay, so there's two things there's two reasons only to think it down because I'm now watching you and I don't want to be responsible and I don't want to ruin my evening and ruin my evening. So it's not on my watch but it's your problem. So so Megan Rockwell said she hates it, but she does it anyway, which is Thing to a tee and then um Ahmed 2006 says fuck. No, I hate it, but it's a necessary evil because they are not my captives and I suppose the occasionally deserves some fresh air. That's pretty much where I stand like you're like, I guess because I will again I will get in trouble if they've people find out that I'm holding them in. Let me ages. Well, first of all, let me throw some stuff at you. Let me throw some stuff in the pros category for playgrounds One cost. Zero what I'm saying zeros and hundred percent unless you end up at the ER but that can happen at any of these joints. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so I'll get it afraid that I spent $2 on an Italian ice. Goddamn it that's to and your face big big ice because big guys got me again. So there something the playground is free. Also if they stay in my apartment they gonna be murmured. Well, that's what Mama Barry would be full murder and the weekend When I don't take it, I don't want to go to the park. Mommy buried is like and then if we don't if we have a lazy at home and it gets to five o'clock and the bounced off the wall. She's like see are you kidding me? I can't by nine o'clock. I'm you have three kid. Like you haven't I'm like everybody has to get out. I'm like get out everybody get out of that. And what do you stay at home? Yeah, and then I closed the door behind them and then take some low hanging out on the toilets. No just takes them a while to figure out how to get back in the house. It's this including your wife. She knows how to get back in. Yeah. She definitely she knows all the nooks and crannies. She's really found a tunnel. It's like the Webster house. Yeah. Yeah, so no, but the so it really Burns energy. It's from that's coming up the running around getting the Yaya's out Nixie 1984 says, of course, I like going I used to love letting them loose. Run. Run run. Yeah Colleen are Welco says, honestly, I feel like that that's the time to let them loose and mostly ignore them. You know what Colleen that's all the time. That's how you do when it comes to ignoring your kids 24/7 And 365 but at the playground you get to do it with the band and you can just be like, yeah, you feel like you're giving them something in return number one comment when they asked me to play with them all the time. Yeah, and I say look around look around. There's three of you I've made three of you to play with each other yet. I'm out of this. I don't need this and he does a great there's a really good play with each other, but Dad you need to be the monster. Guess what? I'm already a monster is a real. It's true about terrible horrible monster, so There's a funny mom on Twitter and Instagram rambling. Mama who has a meme that said go play with your sister. That's basically the reason we had her. Yeah, right, which is 100% true. Like it's also exactly don't want you to be spoiled and we want someone else to occupy your time. So we don't have to that's why you have more than one kid, but there's some when they get say that well when they get into what I what I do, like when you were leaving friends know they make friends at the bar with each other with with like some randos, you know. Yeah that Grant has a guys in trench coats. Yeah. Well, Okay, so that's not go that guy. Hold on hold on because we have a unique a bit of a unique perspective on this. So I want to run through it Ali Bill check says it's boring but worth it because of wears them out and in it a net 26 that she loves playgrounds anything to burn energy and keep apartment clean. Now, one of the big things people hate we mentioned kind of the older kids because it's like a war ground war zone and is like 10 year olds 12 year olds eight-year-olds. If you have a toddler, there's a very good chance television get knocked down you get hurt. Right but a couple of people complained about all the other parents that were there and Some people were like, I don't want to deal with seeing somebody I don't like or something like that as a dad. Right? Like I think you don't many dads know like a mom who's like going to like a playground or a playground and sees like a mom that's like a mean girl or something there mean girl moms. Yeah. Sure sure. That girls have women are very catty. Yeah doesn't stop when they become adults, right? But like four dads will be like often the only dad or one or two. Yeah, and almost by virtue of that sometimes like the moms hold you at arm's length and if you approach them or approach a kid. Yeah, and they don't know Arms Wide Open and you're like, come on give you a give me the saying it's a little bit nice like what the hell is lots of stories. There's lots of stories of like dads who are around with their kids at the park, but somebody doesn't see a kid with them and then like a cops are called on the dad because they think he's like a creeper other than happen to moms that happens. That's literally that that happened in your mind. No, it happens on that. First book. Oh my God. A lot of people are sensitive to this kind of yes, a human trash Russia almost happens all the time. Human trafficking you break human trafficking almost happens all the time. She's a tension. You know what I've done I put signs up to kids, please traffic that bundle deal did for one bundle deal. Okay, you clearly haven't seen taken. Okay some harrowing things happen everybody. Except this those Zena phobic movie ever. Yeah. Well first time the contenders for that side the country. Yeah. Dad warned Direction wasn't she going to see cold. Now. She's going to see you too. She's like 15 and it's like 2010. No leave you now Erica. She doesn't care about you to hit napped. She's going to see like maybe Coldplay or like Slipknot. Yeah. She seemed like one of those girls Slipknot slip that K. So anyway, so so Get Dad's don't have this problem as much mom's a lot of Mom's complain about having to make small talk. Right so D le D le daily Delia. I'm not sure said nothing is worse than awkward other. Mom. You don't know what the playground small talk and then she said or dad I guess which is my point. She's like that's aren't there. She's not doing that. She's like like it's cool. We're both stuck here, but we don't need to chat right? I don't like to talk to anybody even if I know them so when I'm like small talk, no, thanks. I'm that's why I'm on my phone. Yeah, but then they're like, oh look at the anti-social. Parent who doesn't care about us for their kids because they're on the phone. You know what maybe I'm looking at job listings. You don't know my life. Now, we'll do it. I'm looking at it. Again. You're looking at it memes. I'm reading got hot takes on the Game of Thrones finale here. Just you're also just like reading Big Trouble in Little China quotes. For some reason. I don't need to read those drop. That's not a that was a bad example. That's not one of my go to okay, so don't bite your friend says she use usually tries to look as unapproachable as possible while at the playground which is luckily for me. That's how I always look, So I don't have to worry about that part as much I don't mind. I don't mind talking to people in the plague. I'm not a openly like I don't look look at mr. Rogers. Yeah, but you know what your there's probably stuff a monster now you're mr. Friendly neighbor. Yeah, and I want to see I want to compare myself to other people and see how am I doing of a monster? I am there are some times where I pride myself on how many snacks I bring someone for your kids are just forever just a generous people like I'm hungry. I'm like how we can have some Bring a tumbler full of vodka like Madame Vadim SV says the only way to get through it. So close man. I've been at the playground with like I have and I have not judged. I haven't brought it back yet. Maybe only if I've been somewhere and like on the way home from somewhere. We stopped at the playground. It's not like I'm bringing a flash to the playground in the middle of that. You know, I don't think those for like school fundraisers. Yeah. I feel like let me I'm only at the playground if it's in the morning generally. Well, a lot of people said that to like go in the morning when there's less of a rush. - I like to bring my kids out in the rain. I realized then they get sick and they can't go to the playground again. So soon there you go, but I don't really need to really think about that. I was like wheat why have I not been drinking because you go so early and then I realized this because I go so early black. So participation is another thing right? So not only talking to other kids are sorry other parents and as many kids as you can get it's yeah, I like to talk to as many as possible. Sometimes your kids want you to be involved like I was at the playground recently and I was chasing my kids around because like If nobody they know is there they want me to like play Monster chase them. I hurt myself. I can immediately jumping off as something turning quickly. And so so it's not morning underscore Nikki Nietzsche. I think it's a horning underscore Friedrich. Nietzsche says, yes, because it keeps him busy likes to go to the Pagan because it keeps him busy, but no because apparently I have to go with them which is the problem like it when you have it like I used to be able to just play in the backyard or my neighbors, but now especially we live in the city. You gotta bring the kid to the Around a lot of the time you have a playground right around the corner from you know, what that's neither here nor there. You know what Ledo Jennifer says don't ask me to push you on the swing for me. That's the lowest impact thing. I can do. I don't mind standing there phone in one hand drinking another using my head to push the swing shrink a foot. Yeah, but my kid likes it when I tickle him on the swing like every time he comes back a little toddler guy. Yeah, that's always fun. So black velvet stitches says she hates it, but she suffers through the playground and she gets judged for not stalking. Kid around the place. I like not following around in knowing where he is and taking care of him. No, I told you man. The Judgment out there is in Scent is intense. I don't think so. I I'm I don't care what these kids are doing the running around and having fun. Like the only thing is if they come back crying it you here I know yeah, and then they can tell it's your kid or you're like thank God. That's not my kid. It's a great feeling isn't it? And then you look up and it's nice sex is sex is fun. But being on the playground hearing a kid crying realizing it's not yours. And that's the real juice Nate Nate. You haven't experienced that one. Yeah, either of them. Actually, that's really where there's a weird. That is that's where life really that and when you put them down to bed for the night literally like it's like journaling shooting heroin between your toes. Yeah. Well when you know that they're in bed and then use that they're going to get to know you don't know my kid gets up like four times a night now shoot him the toddler that you're going to say shoot him. I was like, you know what hadn't thought of that. When you have been probably the most effective option at it when America no, we're not in an airport though. That's where it's allowed and in Florida now because Stan your ground law if your kid gets out of bed, you can shoot him in Florida under the stand your ground law. Is there anything that Florida won't give us an end to this great nation of ours. Um, what else what else we got on here participation is dangerous as your kid ever gotten her to the playground. I'm sure yeah. No, but like for real any breaks. Yeah my daughter. ER my older my oldest daughter she hurt her foot and had to be in a cast for a while. How about you they don't have playgrounds in London. I forgot now, they don't they have what's called factories. Yeah, they have to work is and then we had the Chocolate Factory. Ooh, like what sir? Which way do we go for our cold meal? How do we get to hospital the hospital so know they had an itch. Are you kidding me in? They had the best play granted but it's called Adventure like guy that's that's even worse. Then what shut up swinging rope nooses because they live in London. No, Folks we have vomit poles on the ground. That is actually I bang my head on a slide and got a concussion. Like I bang my head outside and immediately threw up as a kid. That sounds like something you would do not know that even mean that's not even a good joke. Most people would just kind of not throw up after banging their head just like not in your head. So badly. Why what were you what it was actually doing just your hands behind your back? I don't I was like three I didn't have full control of my head. I still don't All right. Well, so the phone judgment thing I brought up so so fell Shamu is the woman who saw me in the playground once and by the luck of the draw, I wasn't holding my phone and I was like playing with my toddler she came up and she's like are you dead and buried I was like, oh shit. Yeah. What did I do? Now? She's like these two are yours. Yeah. Yeah these sons of bitches know she just wanted to say hi and we chatted for a minute. I didn't know what to do. I had to tell her my name was Mike because it's really weird if someone is like calling you Dad and buried All the time. Yeah even weirder for you, but you Dad buried if you have to be like no. I'm his I'm his Anonymous sidekick on the podcast Greg great. Anyway, she's goes to the same playground as me and she said that she'd be too busy looking at her own phone to judge me. So I appreciate that Felicia. Thanks for thanks for the reassurance. Yeah, and I think the getting them to leave as is a key as half an acre points out. Yeah, it sucks that it you got once you get there you start giving immediately and hold on. Yeah, five-minute warning. Okay, and if you have to be home by a certain time, you give yourself a cushion because you know, you might have to chase them to get them out or they're running by you pretending they don't hear you that it's time to leave yesterday last night. I destroyed my eight year olds entire world by bringing her home from the playground early. Oh, yeah, like I know it is she's never gonna know. I actually I felt absolutely horrible. But at the same time I do it was an after-school event there. The kids were running around and the playground and I was like, oh, Okay, we got to go my little ones melting down and I we left like 15 minutes early, but that 15 minutes was key because none of her other friends had left yet. She had to be the first one and I kind of was like it's all the parents were saying they were going to leave but hadn't pulled the trigger hadn't pulled the trigger yet. So guess who look like a big-time asshole my eight-year-old for leaving early. What a jerk you honestly it's disrespectful to all her friends and the people that were still there my God I couldn't imagine what Cool must have been like today. So embarrassing everybody laughing and pointing put his Scarlet Ellie on her. Yeah, I really left early. Yeah. She really she did a really good job of actually making me feel like total shit. She wasn't she wasn't overly upset better than I do sure. When we say sure it made me feel bad. Yeah. There we go. It's because I'm an expert in it, but she was just very she was like that. I really wanted to stay. How come I had to leave. I really I was playing You know and she just said it in that tone really calmly for like an hour and a half and I was like, you know what I am really genuinely sorry, but we had to go. Oh, you're soft like about it. Did we really have to go then how many friends at her? No, I didn't know her know that my internal have to go with nothing and also had like the times that I was bringing out look at 7:30. It was except didn't mean anything all you're alive. Yeah. We were Monsta he wanted me how many of her friends were there. She's Breaking My Heart in front of my own goddamn eyes. What else you want me to do put the pedal to the metal just go first. It's exactly roll all the way down coming back and get it was I might as well get my always negative a hundred. You know what I mean? So what a hold on how many friends were there with her there. I mean there was a lot there was like eight or nine, right whatever. So the next topic is play dates, which is usually like two kids. I'm most like two or three or you go to like a friend's house. The siblings have to be involved a lot of the time which causes no end of the drama. I don't do I don't go on a lot of playdates because most of the friends are my moms and I don't have a lot of data friendly yet where your that was just not clean. It's always inviting you over ladies aren't usually couple things. So we have a good couple friend where we go over there. I don't consider those play dates, even though they all the kids are friends and they play together, but I consider those like Friday night like we're going over there to hang out in the kitchen. Just we have to bring the kids. So let them be in the other room and have fun a play date is we're like on a Saturday off their own or during the middle of somebody gets dropped potentially. Someone gets dropped. You're lucky if you're doing the dropping like with a birthday party. Yeah drop off. But a lot of these moms complain that sometimes it's like the kid will make a friend at school and you don't know the parents and you have to go over there like make sure everything's cool and hang out and maybe that parent doesn't drink and then you're screwed. Yeah, then you can even have a glass of wine or your kids are playing Minecraft and God. What are your Magna tiles? It's already 8:30 in the morning Jesus. So Brian Gill likes it. But only when it's play dates with your adult friends and they have booze lot in 75. I've said she only likes it with close friends when she knows the parents can do the drop off which is what we're just talking about. Pammy cap cannot stand any of it. She hates the park and play dates with people. She doesn't know she's angry. Yeah, Pammy cap. Give me you know, what reach out if you need a hand. I like the play date at the playground though. That's a move. Is it? Yeah, so it's why what a waste. What do you mean? What do you mean because you're both way coordinate arrived exact sure my god, did you okay now kind of after that? I'm sorry big fan of it as a glue out of like plant. Okay. Yeah that's coming through loud and clear. So Mandy Max 1 2 3 says the same thing. She doesn't like play that she dreads them when the kids are young because the parents stay and then you're forced into a weird social situation elves 99 says pre-gaming is a must to be honest. I don't know if she was referring to play dates or playground or whatever but depending on what time it is. I think that's funny. Like all right guys were pre-gaming for the playground and she and goes in the bathroom and what we tell you lift the toilet you got your little flasks. Yeah your handle toilet seats. Grab the flask out of the u-bend. Yeah some absolute in there. Shawshank style Shawshank style. Yeah Shawshank Redemption. It's a movie. Oh never heard of it. Okay overrated. Yeah play dates can be weird girl plays. Uke they're fine. If you don't have to stay there, which is pretty much. Yeah. I mean, I think the I had that happen to me where they got dropped off at your place. My daughter had a boy over for a playdate. Oh my God, and it was this was a while ago. This was like three years ago and but when She was five or when she was eight Wichita State. Okay, when she was a my 11 year old now is 8 and then figure that out the boy came over and they were there just you know, having fun. They're playing dad came over and stayed and then I so I said you want to be ready when we know good. So now I'm in my own goddamn beer drinking and he's not. Well, I'm in my own goddamn. Oh, I don't even know what's up. And I said about dragged himself it nine times. You gotta crack before he gets there. Hey listen, It's all good here. You don't you're welcome to stay. You don't have to. Oh, it's great. You know cool. Anyway, as I was saying in the Reagan Administration and that's what he was saying now. I don't know what he was talking about. But it was so horrible should have brought up Trump. That's my favorite topic to talk. Mine Hogan has it's coming up soon and the podcast Trump. It's a whole title. We need to see. Yeah. So yeah, so, you know, A lot. I don't have a side from like going hang out with actual friends, which were eliminates the worst part of The Playdate for the most part. I don't have a lot of experience with like the random stranger played a deriving I've had I'm I'm I'm actually cool hosting. You know that clay dates while hosting them hoes. Do you like the nerdy Dad? I'm like Modern Family. Yeah, like whatever his name is. Yeah, why the face see things WTF stands for cool trying really hard to be cool. No, but it's okay there there. It's fine. I can handle n plus 1 When they come over they play in the room. So in many ways, it's actually it's a little bit can be better. Like if you have a really but a very loud and nearby you're not outside. You're in the place. You gotta get snacks from you gotta make him smell what kind of movies dado you focus on the person who's coming over the kid who's coming over? Yeah, you sideline your kid. This is what we call this is how you this psychological warfare you sideline your kid. You don't think this kid is gives a shit. I see this get every days old news this the other kids on their best behavior. ER so what you called for deep unless they're mine now, they're not if they're monster. Yeah, and that's bad seeds out there. I have I have an experience that look we haven't been to your house yet up that yeah, because well we we've mangled. Yeah, we've been delivering once a while but but no the the kit you go for the kid and you're like, hey, yeah food water all that kind of thing. And then, you know, they're on their best behavior. They're loving it. They're like you're spoiling the yeah, you're spoiling them and then you know you just and then you know your Goes to restore some food, you know, is that his breath and then the dad comes in and you're like you want to be re says no you said get the fuck out you son of a bitch it out of my house. He had a cake, you know good kid with you. Yeah, I mean you kids pretty good, but actually take my daughter. Yeah take my kids really get out of my house a hell out of my house with you. Can't hide I'm Gonna Keep your kid because your kids actually polite. So so look, you don't like the playground you clearly love playdates. Oh, I didn't say that. I hate place. No, you said it I wonder I heard everyone heard it you love play spaces least of all place, but you hate play spaces. I was out with let me see you. I've been six ever since. Yeah. Well, let's in the ball pit. Listen with my toddler. I was in the ball pit. You know what I get involved listen play spaces are just big measles trying to win is it? Yeah, that's all he can be. So yeah, that's what they're trying to do. So if you get beer see all the people who run play spaces are in the pocket of big measles, that's what they wanted they want. Walk in that door. They know everyone is walking this door you're getting it. So this is a very good chance you're Contracting the disease that should have been eradicated toys decades have gotten washed in a long time. Do they ever get washed? How do you watch the ball like this? How do you wash and then I wash it and I watched you know what? I don't mind it builds up the immune system. Yeah, but it also includes increases the amount of so my wife has Ms. So she gets sick. She catches. Everything is a weakens your immune system, right we go to the ball by bringing their all the time because then n I know where to go with that. I don't know but the play spaces she doesn't up taking them there Saturday Sunday almost every time it is like I would show you photographs of Taken where unlike the playground where there's space. You can go something you can hide. What are you taking photographs of of the play spaces the the just to be like this is disgusting disgusting that mean you have both parents, right? Because Rupert's and they both have to go. Yeah, so you're both parents coming taking like it's a cure for your off. Yeah, shoot. She's up. Looking for you. So you have like a hundred four year old times to parents. Meanwhile, I've got like, you know, I've got my my kids both running around I don't and I'm employing my same I don't give a shit attitude but it's the same thing where I play Space all the kids running rampant. Your little kid can be in danger but it's but take the playground and just compress it because it's yellow because you're going to place your eyes is generally when it's cold out you have to pay and after hey and then you compress it down into the tiny little teeny He space and then it's chaos go. It's very important to know when there aren't that many people there. But there's always a lot of people there how they know what I encountered last time. I went it like a week and a half ago. I went to one of these things you have to take your shoes off when you go through the gate and then the bathrooms are within the no shoes on so I have bring my kid to the bathroom where I have to go to the bathroom like in my socks. The fuck is your bathroom doing in the not actually that is own mastic. I feel bad for people having to go the bath and I wear flip-flops. So I had to go bear. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. You got so nervous. I know you did. I knew to wear socks to the play space. I did my wife warned me. She's like, I don't wear socks. You just fucking dare you call me a liar. Yeah, you just like getting your toes. I've been around the block. Let's present in the urine typically happen. Dad and Mary gross. You know what your glory your gross everybody knows? Play spaces are full of germs you like to think they're full of cool dads over playing my game. I was playing with my toddler. It's fun. When you have a dad who's like jealous. Don't go nothing, you know, they're like wrestling and they're like being cool dads over playing with their kids. That's it. Nothing is more annoying than a cool. Dad overplay million things more annoying they are annoying but there are a million things more annoying than cool dads over playing with your son in a play space on a Saturday. And that's the number one most annoying thing of all time. It's up there. All right, we're going to put up. Up a list up there. Let me know which I'm in everybody going to put up a list on Instagram. What is more annoying? I think it's so many fucking big measles is moreover playing or what about old dad's over watching careful. It's not just a wonderful paranoid. Dad. You have to be old trust me. You would know old man. I'm pretty old, but I'm not as old as some of the grand problems out there. Those are Grandpa's are they though? I don't know. There's something lies not exactly are something to be said for all dad's butt. The there are over overly cautious, but all that I got so look you put I just lumping together because I'm a huge generous. You put a bullet point in here that I don't understand and I really want to get it play Space is like a low-rent Tinder would have. Oh, yeah. So step instead of measles its biggest so know what you're doing is you're you it's also a place where you know, all the moms and dads are there everyone's mail. It's like a key party. Yeah. Everyone's looking at each other Fair 2.0 breeding ground, but the best part is It's a what would have happened Tinder. You're kind of like, okay. Well, you know, that would have if I take in a separate fork in the road I could have been at The Playdate with that young lady. Look at that or that old Dad. Yeah, look at that if I had just so it's not just a braid around I learned that's a breeding ground for broken homes not for what could have been sliding to our situation situation. So what you're saying is you like to go to play spaces to imagine what your life could have been like what are the mistakes you made? I like where you're like. The one thing I do like is the like I said the mom and the dad will go with their four-year-old or two year old or whatever. They go together because like yeah, that's what new parents do and then you know, you just like, oh that's funny. They're unique. You just everyone's like you in your mind you go there together. Yeah exactly thing, you know, like really, huh? What size is it? What's inside of you think you're on that equation on you and your wife go the losing side. Yeah grading. I'm way above my weight class you're saying yeah, obviously everyone knows that you're way above your weight class on this podcast, like a people going to look at this photo and be like Poor Man's Fassbender low-rent Paul Rudd spoon. Somebody called me. You're like if somebody photocopied Paul Rudd three times. I was like, I love it. Yeah, it was good. I like the low rent Paul read. Yeah, but even that was probably giving me too much credit. And then the photograph the if you're like if someone photocopied Paul read two or three times yet. It was very funny. Yeah, so that's it. I think that the play spaces are just are intense and plus you have to dress up. There's more toys don't think that what you wear a tux to the play space no meaning. There's like cost you have to wear clothes what I ain't wearing no costumes. You want lice. Have you been big measles? We were just talking about you. Don't get big lies big lies big bed bugs everything. It's all bugs. I think are small. I know by definition industry that they're in know what you mean getting. It's all like spaces the running theme your Your big thing. I'm big in everything. But but play spaces. They just they can that's just like a tainment unit for grow sness and germs and death and despair and the only thing they only positive fairs with possible sliding glass doors that writers situations, but the only thing that's a positive is when it's you know, five degrees outside Howlin, right and your kids need to get the Yaya's out somewhere and you gotta go somewhere. So you go to the play space. I wish II do to show you some I took at least I've taken in the past like at least four or five photos on just random Sundays and just you can't see the play Space. It's just people it's like a raised teeming with people just teams think race is too many people and there's it's not fun. It's like a rave, but nobody stockist. Yeah. Nobody's taking X everyone's standing there all just sweaty and packed in. Yeah, and nobody's feeling good about it. Trying to watch that one. Cool. Dad play cool with his cool son. They're all watching. Him thus proving the fact that he is actually cool. The other ones like that who cares about his kids out because you got the one cool down the one old dad and then the rest of the people are just a crowd watching sickly who are who are the seasoned vets and they're all the same time simultaneously wondering what could have been if they swap our yes, exactly. But the sad story is even if they had swap Partners, they would still ended up at that place. Exactly. So you're doomed and you don't get married is what he's trying to say, don't do it. Just don't just Next week, we'll be back with the divorce addition the dead and buried podcast. Exactly. Hopefully if you guys enjoyed this episode you can comment on YouTube. Yeah about what you prefer. We're going to do the what's more annoying than what is it? The cool. What is the most annoying thing in the world? You said is the cool dad. Oh overzealously playing with her playing dad versus we're going to I'm going to put up some kind of poll about how wrong Pete is on that because it's just a never-ending hit us up on the Litany of things that are more annoying than that. Okay. Well, I like to use hyper but I'm a little That's because I am that cool dad when I play with us go play with my toddler getting that but first my sciatica, but you know what I care about my son. I know bonding time is important you a great family that gets big measles together stays together and sometimes dies unless the sliding doors thing opens up. Sometimes they die. And then that's when all of the bed bugs come in doesn't even that was a weird is really slit into some Darkness right there. Yeah. Yeah dark side either man. Everyone thinks I'm the bad guy, but who It's plot. Twist breaking Breaking Bad. All right, we'll see you next weekend. Thank you.

Playground, playspaces, playdates all sound fun because they have the word `play` in them. But don't be fooled all of these can suck hard. Speaking of sucking hard, Mike and Pete explore the topic with incredible insight and tact. Like are playspace really just fronts for `BIG Measles` to keep winning? Yeah, that's the kinda stuff you can expect in this episode. -------------------------- Moms and Dads, WE NEED YOU! This show and these dank memes won't feed our families (we've tried). We need your support to keep this up. We love making this stuff for you guys and we're putting this out there so see if we can make the switch so that this can be more than a hobby 🙏 (that our families hate).

Just wanted to take a brief moment to give you guys a little idea how we do it here at paddle and fin podcast. We use the anchor dot f m-- recording platform super easy distributes our podcast too many many different platforms. There's creation tools to allowed you to record and edit podcast right from your phone or a computer check out anchor dot f m orDownload the free anchor app to get started. Welcome. Welcome back to another episode of The Reel down. I'm Brad Hicks and tonight. We got Brian Schiller filling in for crankbait Johnny. Yeah, buddy. How you doing? Good, man yourself. I'm doing good. This is kind of weird me and you being together on the same podcast. Yeah. I'm usually listen to you and you usually listen to me. So yeah, it's nice to change it up. But I mean most importantly we got a legend on the line man. I mean dude got the man the myth the legend mr. Kurtzman. Well, thank you guys. That's awfully nice of you to say that. Yeah, man. Nah, this is this is special for me when I when I heard crankbait Johnny couldn't make it tonight. I was like, yeah, I'll I'll jump on the call. No problem. Oh, no, it's cool man. It's you know, I think it's been a long time coming. I've definitely wanted to meet you and talk to you. So this is going to be cool for me. Well, of course, it's really mine man. Thanks for having me on guys. Really appreciate it. Absolutely man. Absolutely. So yeah. Yeah, I'm just filling in here. So you know Hicks is taking the lead and I'm just I'm just I'm just being a fan boy back here. So all right. Well, we were going to talk to you about your pro side win at East and West Harbor was that like a week and a half ago? I think yep. Okay, go ahead. Okay. I was just going to ask you how many how many days did you pre fish? So it was therefore I got up there on Wednesday said three days to pre fish for it. Um, you know, I'm pre-fishing went really really good. I got to say I mean it it's a different but it was a different bite this year. Definitely a different bike because the water was a lot higher I think those causes some problems with it, you know in years past the bite was just significantly different. I mean, I don't even know how to describe how it was different. I mean they were both like you still fish weed lines, but the ones that were productive completely changed their so yeah, but Carlos me and my friends we all man. I mean we smashed it during pre-fishing. It's awesome. Yeah, and it was it was a good time. It really was do you know just notice catching any of those fish more shallow with the water being higher, you know, I found it to be actually the opposite was catching fish deeper and you know, and you know, this Harbors receive a lot of pressure they have weekly bass boat tournaments monthly ones. I mean, there's all types of tournaments up in the area. So this Zig impounded a lot, you know because they're you know you go in there and you can pull out like a five-pound Largemouth. That's a pretty big kicker when the other guys are bringing in small mouth. Right? I mean, I know the Smallmouth of huge up there I might take anything away from them. But you know a big large mouth you son of a is this more of an opportunity to catch a big large mouth. I feel like you know, gotcha. That's cool. So let's go down and let's go into the breakdown of each day your pre-fishing. Okay. I mean I got there on Wednesday. Day, and I went to the spot where I want it last year and I pre fished and within like 45 minutes. I had 92 inches of fish. So and it was the exact same pattern. I mean it was to the T that mean literally the same places. I mean, I can't even describe the feeling that it invokes when you go back to a place that you did. Well, right and Then you go back and it is like the exact same base same scenario. Everything man. Same docks. I mean literally remember the bow, I remember the dock and I mean it's the same ones we're producing and you know, and I felt and that pattern I took that everywhere in West harbored. So all the different docks and all the docs that have similar stuff near them. Like I was fishing it was the exact same pattern. So I felt like I could go anywhere in that Harbor. Brr, and so I did 92 inches there the first day right? So within an hour, I did 88 at another spot. It was it was mid-80s at two other spots. I can't remember the exact numbers 8485 something like that. I mean, I think I need to go fish East-West Harbor. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really like that event because there's so many good quality fish up there. I mean, it's like everybody gets on them. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a great place to fish. That was day one. I was Wednesday and if any finished it off I met with my buddy Bert and we went and had dinner and was we're having dinner or no viruses Adam Shepherd the guy who got stuck in last year and we're fishing side-by-side showed up and I was not expecting him to show up. I thought he's going to have to miss this event. So it was awesome. And I mean I was really happy to have him there, you know, we spent the we spent the rest of the time pre-fishing together. So it was killer and it's for day one was like a lot of memories made. You know me good fishing good friends. It's hard to beat that. Yeah, not at all man. That's what it's all about. That's for sure. That's for sure. So, you know, are you going to plead the fifth on this one is the question like what what kind of bait were you thrown? If you don't mind me asking now? I don't mind you asking and I'll tell you so I had it working on a small worm Texas rigged quarter ounce way light wire hook. I had it working on a creature Bay. I had it working on a swim. me What was the other one? Oh, yeah, and then a weightless like fluke style bait and a stick bait anchor weightless. You know what I mean? Yes. Hey it's painful to do but oh, yeah, you know, it caught fish caught quality fish. You know what I mean, you know wacky rig was working too. That was the thing man. I mean once they establish the pattern I could use like six or seven Bates to catch the fish that do whether it was, you know, a swimbait. That was a moving baby. You know, I was using the Looks a little bit like a jerkbait, you know, yeah confidence. I mean, I really had a huge amount of confidence. The whole thing is a little bittersweet because of that be you know, because I got seventh in the trail event. Yeah six guys ahead of me. But yeah, I won the pro event. I love the wind on the pro event man, you know what I mean? But there's still six guys that were ahead of me at that that's already the hats off to Sean Skidmore, man. He smashed it 88 inches is really hard to do. Yeah. Yep. We're going to I to get him on with you and talk simultaneous simultaneous simultaneously with you guys. I thought that would have been cool but he couldn't make it tonight. So it is what it is. I know the feeling man. I took I took 2nd at Madison chain Dylan Fuqua took first. Well, I took second in the Pro but I ended up I think it was eighth in the trail, you know, so it almost didn't feel right. So I kind of feel where you coming from, you know what I mean? Because Are there was those other guys that did better, you know, but because you know, we're fishing the pro which is you know, and I guess that's a great question to you just because you're so experienced in this is you know, it's kind of like a side pool right this year just because they're trying to get it going. So I mean, I guess my question behind that is is how do you feel about that? Like are you you know, just doing it just to help grow the pro tour or you know, I mean, I'm not trying to get controversial or anything with you. But I mean I've had mixed emotions on it. Yeah, I gotta say I got mixed emotions on it too man. I and honestly, I don't like it. I don't like that their simultaneous man. They should be separate. It's a different. It's a totally different gig and I hate that their piggy backs. Yeah. Yeah, you know because it is a different gig because you don't really know who you're fishing against, you know, there's a lot more other Anglers there. So there's a hundred and thirty Anglers But there was only like 30 grows there something like that, right? Okay. There's another hundred guys that are taken away from my fish. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a different deal man. I really want to see the best guys brought together in small groups like 30 or 40 guys and just let us lay it down man. Yeah. Let's check out the big sticks and let's just be big guys about it and Sportsmen and just go out and lay it down head-to-head and it just water is a day. Down a little bit, you know, but you know next year is going to be different the yeah, you know Chad and kbf I haven't talked. I haven't really talked to him about it. So I don't really know what their feelings are on it exactly that, you know, they're they're trying to do the best that they can with how things are set up right now and hopefully, you know, next year's going to be different, you know, I mean as with everything with kbf, you know, there's improvements every year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh good. I was going to say from what I've heard ya next year is going to be a lot. Front and it's not supposed to coincide but I mean again, that's all hearsay. But you know, I feel the same way because well at least you guys in the East, you know, you guys have quite a few angler signing up for your pro events. Where is the central? You know, it's like I think well the one tournament I didn't make was up at the Michigan one Sinclair. There was quite a few that signed up for the pro. But other than that. That all our other events have been like eight guys, you know what I mean? So it's almost like, you know, is there a point to this? You know, so that that's why I was asking, you know, I know you guys have a heavier field over there in a lot of good sticks. I'm good, man. Think of it this way though. Let's say you only had eight guys again, but it was just eight guys on a killer lake. Yes what she can do when there's just eight of you ma'am. That's like that is a little different even that right there man gets me fired. Turn it up because now I'm like I can spread out I can fish a little bit more how I want to fish sure trace it in when you get to a spot that someone else found you both you both the people they are going to fish that spot differently because now there's another person there righteous. They stood when you can spread out a little bit man that changes things. Yeah. Definitely. It's like the tenement a tional type type deal. Yeah. Yeah exactly. That would that would be awesome if they had something bigger like you said. Third 30 Anglers but a bigger one and have it like different places every month or something. Like that would be awesome. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Thanks for the provent sides going to turn into next year. You know. Yeah, that's that's what it sounds like, you know again, I don't know I don't have the whole inside scoop. I'm just going off of hearsay. But let's hope man. Let's hope I love to donate donate some money to kurtzman's pocket. It's not that easy man. I know I know well, I know you're friends with who I've become friends with this year Alan Reed, you know, I just donated some money to his pocket this past weekend. And what a good dude man. What a good dude and great stick great stick and I love competing against him and he's and he's a great guy man. I mean, you know, Let's face it. Not not everyone you meet in. This sport is going to be the great guy man and to have a guy like Alan who isn't really from fishing for say, you know the style of fishing to work his butt off. Yes, you learn it man and to work his up way up through the ranks, right? He was in kvl. Right? Let's face it that was minor leagues man. I'm not bashing on them. But that's what it was. It was minor leagues, right? Yeah, you know, he now he's in the he's in the Field he's in the Central Division. He's winning them and he just needs you know, there's only really one more step to make and that's to meet up with the guys who were doing the Southwest right? I mean, yeah, let's face it. You know Matt's the field to beat right there. Yeah. Yeah, man, I mean and when you see how it works out with how they had all the regions set up man all the space. That's the called a hammer is right down there. Yeah, and that's one reason is that I felt like I was you know, Ohio got a little raw. Rob the region right? You know what I mean? We're stuck in the Northwest and man, you know, so there there's a trail event there this weekend's 12 hours away man. Yeah, that's undoable for a trail event for me. No, I I know the feeling man. I first event for us was Kansas and that was 12 and a half hour drive for me, you know, and I'm on the border of Illinois and Wisconsin. So yeah. Yeah, you know, that's how I feel. Well, I think we had some guys come down from Minnesota. Even you know, it's just like those A Jack to you know, I've done that drive a couple times this year like that time frame, but you know, there's only so many I can pick you know what I mean? I have to pick my battles. I don't have an infinite checking account to read every single event. I hear you. I hear you. So let's get back to East-West. Sorry. I didn't mean to can track sidetracked. It's all good good conversation. So let's go over your tournament. Rica day recap. I know you had some early struggles going on and then When I read that you posted on your Facebook that you were saying something about your day spun out of control and then I don't know about two hours later. I look at the leaderboard your backup at Ford's place. It's a go through that whole process man. I mean it pre fish so good. Right and I should have known with how good the pre-fishing was that I was going to end for an ass-kicking during the tournament man. I just should have known. Because it was you know, I had like eight spots. They were all over 80 inches. I'm like done man. I was I was so confident and that's when you get bit in the ass. Yeah, because when you have that type of confidence leading into the tournament is when you get bit in the ass because you know for whatever reason my bite has shut down. I mean, I went to the spot I wanted the year before right where I have already put in well over 90 inches there right and man I had Don't have a single bike in two hours and that spot was a morning bite spot. So I was I mean I left I went to another I went to I went over and I was in West and went over to East Harbor, right and I went to a spot that I called over 90 inches there again two hours. No fish man, man. So now I'm like, I'm like wow, this is really horrible. Right? So now I'm like I'm gonna launch again, so I pack up again and I go back to Wes. And I launched a different launch on Wes it going to a different completely different spot on the way there my wife text me. You know, when will you be home, you know and right then the thought crossed my mind was like me. I can be home in four hours. I mean I could be home before the award ceremonies done. Right? I mean I could be sitting there drinking cold Cokes. Yeah, but then I was just like, you know, that's just not how I roll man. You know what I mean? I'm in it to the end. The very bitter end is just It's just a deal so I run to my third put in I get there. It is so packed, right? Because the new it's a brand-new put in. It's just this little tiny gravel law. It is so packed and one guys parked a little funky and he's blocking one parking spot man with his trailer, right and people are double parked and triple parked in this parking lot. I'm thinking that they're going to get towed but I see that parking spot like I could almost get into I grabbed this trailer and I'm Start pulling on it. And what we Act was able to move his trailer like a foot over and just could barely get my car in there and then I pulled the trailer back. So when he got came out, he must have been like how the yeah, you know, there's no way you can only physically fit in there and so I put in there and I had two spots in that area that I hit and one spot. I caught a cab for you like a 13 inch fish or something and then and then the final the fourth spot I went to It was that was the deal man. I got there and it was almost a every other cast but it was like I was catching a lot of fish really quickly. That's ha ha and it just made it worked out. I mean, luckily I had a bunch of spots and that's what was going through. My mind was like son of a bitch man. I caught so many good fish so many different places one of these places has to be produced still biting. You know what I mean? I don't know what the deal was why I changed. I mean there wasn't a weather change their the water. Didn't change directions like it does sometimes in those Harbors right? This Harbor is they have this flow to them and sometimes it's coming in. Sometimes it's going to none of that changed. Nothing change. I don't know what it was, but that's why it's fishing, right? Yeah. That's awesome. I can relate to that. I mean, I just experienced that at Mark Twain. I mean the two days of pre-fishing I had I caught fish in pretty much every spot I fished and I heard everybody like talking about I'm not catching anything, you know Granite some of the spots were smaller fish and I started off my morning and I had for 15 ish fish on the board and I was in like fourth place. I mean the fish out there weren't very big. I mean there was some big fish to be found for sure. But you know, I know Brad it message me and he was like Brian's got one more to go. I could not find another fish. I went to two different ramps after I left there. I couldn't catch a 12 inch fish. And I mean that just and I guess here's a great question like mentally that really screws with you on tournament day, right? I mean, how do you overcome that? If you know just keep keep ficci keep grinding. I'm the same way as you two is like, you know, I'm not give up, you know, I had the same thought. I was like four and a half hours. I think it was away from home and I'm like screwed I can jump in the truck right now and be home by the time these guys, you know, like I had the same exact. Thought you had yeah, and I was just like I you know, I don't know man. How do you just keep grinding away and hope for the best or you know, and then I guess after the tournament ends and say you do come up short like what what goes through your mind? Do you have a mental frustration or you just brush it off and move on to the next one? Well, so it's really like two questions there, right? Yeah. Yeah. The tournament then how do you deal with it after the treasure? Yeah, so during the tournament man. I don't know how to say this. You know, I'm really stubborn, right? So a lot of times when that stuff turns bad and I've spent so much time preparing role that does is ignites me to try harder sure. You know what? I mean? It's like when someone's pushes you and your first reaction is to push harder back. That's just all I'm thinking about is I just got to fish Hardman. What how can I fish are where can I fish batter? You know, I don't spend any time thinking about the fish. I lost. Or they're not biting. Why aren't they buying full two hours tells you they're not biting their I mean, they might fight there sometime that day maybe but if you're in a morning spot that you caught him in the morning and not the afternoon and that's how it's been for years, right? You just know to move on and it just it just fires me up. I mean I'd say that's how I felt during this term and I was just like I was going to keep moving from spot to spot and so I ran out of spots or time. It was just going to be one or the other and I wasn't going to run out of spots at eight spots. There's no way I was going to run out of spots to hit. So I was like, I only got two for right. I mean, I'm still four more to go sit somewhere in their fish are biting. You know, that's just that's what fires me up. I just know some place the fish are biting man. And then when I do come up short man, there is that, you know drive back to check. yep, and that's where I think I'm at Milo's right if I come up short, I mean But I quickly turn that into knowing that I did absolutely everything that I could humanly possibly do plus two things that humans can't do on top of that right? You know what I mean? I know I did absolutely everything plus and then I quickly turned around and I start looking how could have I had a had a better day and you start talking to other Anglers a check in you starts. They start here and how they call them. Hopefully the winners cool and he's you know speaks about how Did it right then? So everyone can kind of learn like what what they could have done better and that's really how I deal with it man. I just try to turn it around and use it for a couple positive like growth time man for fishing. That's Glory of War when you do worse than you do better. Absolutely. It's funny, you know because I had the same exact thoughts going away in and everything and then we all knew, you know, you know I camp out with Alan Reed Sam Jones Dillon Fuqua every tournament it seems like so Since stop to or something, but you know saw Aaron right away and I was like did you did you seal the deal come on you so you seal the deal, right? And he's like, I don't know we're waiting we're waiting, you know, because they turned off the standings and I was like, well, what did you catch him on and you know sure enough he always throws a big tube and I don't want to get into that because we're going to have him coming up talking about, you know his recap from Mark Twain and stuff but He caught his big fish on a tube and then his smaller fish on a on a TRD and you know, it's it's funny because I didn't have a tube tied on but I had a big TRD tied on I talked to somebody else. They were throwing a book Black buzzbait. I had that tied on you know, so it was just like Man, like why didn't I pick that up and throw it? I had it tied on I had my boat and I never picked it up because I was on I was on a jig bite and a creature bait bite and it just I don't know it's frustrating, you know, so and I'm newer to the tournament game. So I was wanting to pick your brain on that just because you know, I'm trying to overcome that frustration right now, right? So it's it's kind of cool to know that my mentality is in the same spot as a guy. He's a seasoned veteran. Right and and that's exactly it. I drove that four and a half hours home and I'm like, all right. Well, what did I learn from this experience? Like if when in doubt pull something else out, you know, and and that's what I didn't do and I think the beginning of the year I did that a lot and that's why I was successful in the beginning of the year. And that's why I've been kind of slacking on these last two. So interesting inside appreciate that place added pressure of you in the angler of the Year standings doesn't help that Yeah, well, you know is what it is or why damn it, you know, whatever it is what it is man. There's two more term. It's left. There's the trail championship and then the big Championship. So what's your qualified for are ready? Right Kurt? Yep. Yeah. Awesome. I'll see you there. Perfect. Very cool. Very cool. So yeah. All right. Get back. Get back to you moving your Moving to different boat ramps and stuff on East and West Harbor. How long did that take you exactly to jump spot to spot. I don't even know man. I was driving. It was funny. It might and the gas mileage of my car. I was so happy. I got like 25 miles to the gallon up there and after that day from moving spot to spot I was getting like 19 miles to the gallon or something because I was just I mean, I was just trying to get there as quick as I could Sherry. I don't want to see I was panicking but you know every second you're in that car you're Thinking I could be fishing man. Right? I need to get there. I need to get in the water. You know, what's you know, and I'll try and trust me it moving. All those spots was not my game plan. That was know how my day to go. You know, I went to a spot where I thought You know one way or another I was going to catch my limit early and quick. Yeah, you know, but yeah, you know and just sometimes it's the way it goes. Yeah, absolutely man. Absolutely. So how many people were signed up for the pro tour at that event? Like there was 30 something like 36 or something. Don't quote me on that. I'm gonna wow forget it was a few fair amount of people see I wish they would have a separate leaderboard for that. They do did they I can never find it. It's it's on tourney Acts. Just go to kbf Pro Tour instead of the kbf trail series when you go to tournaments and you can see the two I can never find it. Yeah, it's on tourney X gotcha. No. Yeah, pretty cool. And that I love I love how he is. He did that man. Yeah, heck. Yeah, man. Well, you know, you could like we talked about at the beginning, you know, you could be kind of slacking in one. But hey, you look at the other one. You're like, hey, I'm in first place I can get I can dig. At least some first place somewhere, right? Yeah, you know and it was funny. I was talking to Kody Milton about it and I was kind of bummed out. You know, I'm like there were six other people including Kody who forgot to sign up for the Pro Tour righto know you're always signs up for it. Yeah one place ahead of me man. Right so he would have he would have won. He's such a nice guy and he know he does. Yeah, yes, but you know, it's a nice paycheck though man, you know, and I'm like no, you're right nothing. There's nothing be bummed out and you get to get out. And you to walk with Paycheck? Yeah, definitely. So what if you don't mind me asking what did first place take with 30 some Anglers? So I had I think four hundred dollars from the Trail the trail event, right? Yes, I think it was 1610. Yeah, nice silicate three spots though. No matter what, right? That's how they're concentrating is a bigger bigger by in right? Right. Right, right. So we're getting all the money up there. Yeah. It was great to have my other Dakota teammates up there to Cody lithium teammates up there. I think all three of them like we like took the ProSeries podium. Nice, very cool. John John was all excited about the he that's all he could talk about when we were talking about it. He's like man that Dakota lithium team those guys are awesome. He loves you guys Man Killer team man. This guy's travel around the pack to from the Northeast that are on that team. You know, that's awesome. I know he's pretty bummed that he couldn't make it tonight he but it is what it is. Yeah, very cool. Um, Let's go through your routine. All right, you just caught a fish. Let's go through your routine of submitting that fish to the leaderboard. Oh. Okay, you know as soon as I catch the fish and he's in the net right immediately put the net down in my hou be right. My PA would says little bit of a side wall to it and I'll turn the net sideways so that wraps the fish in the net so he cannot jump out no matter what that fish does. You cannot leave the net that's when I grabbed my catch board and get my catch board all set up in the bottom of my PA never put it in my lap. And that's when the nicest things about fishing have a pro angler, you know in This is that you have some pretty high side walls on this if you put that measuring board down the bottom of it. You actually had a chance to keep the fish in there pretty good. You know what I mean? If it flops out and jumps out and gets away from you. So that's what I do is set my board up man. I get my phone fired up and that's why I take the fish out as after I'm all set up with everything else and I get him set up on the board. Right and I get and lay them down and get the longest length. You can with the mouth closed and it makes your hands in the right place. I take one picture with my And on it, we're a couple and then I try to take my hand off and get one without my hand on there. Right because the judge is always like no handed pitcher. I mean, there's no better picture than no handed pitcher, but you can't do that on every fish right because sometimes as soon as you as soon as you let go a fish is moving, right? Yep, so you just can't always do that. But I always try to give them get that get that picture for him. That's awesome. That's it man as soon as soon as I'm done he's back in the water I'm like at the bakery tied and you know try to get right back on do you do you submit those pictures white right away or do you put them in live well, how do you how does that work so I don't submit him right away usually if I'm fishing and I think I might go on a small bite where I'm going to get a couple quick ones back to back I will not stop and take time to submit them. You know, I mean if I think there's a bite happening I'm fishing the body. But soon as that bites done, I'm submit them. I'm not the guy to save them. You know, if you see me what looks like saving my pictures to the end. That just means I didn't have service, you know. Yeah, I don't play the sandbagger game. You know what I mean? Yeah, those guys can say it's effective. But you know you learn that you just fish to the end man, right? Yeah here it it doesn't matter what the leaderboard says matter of fact. I don't even look at the leaderboard if I can get away with it. And you know, I mean I want time I look at the leaderboards to make sure my Fish have submitted properly missile only time I look at it, you know and of course you see where you're at, but man I don't sit there and get transfixed by a tall man. I fish to the very end if you're in the lead or not, man guys, like Matthew Scotch. He always holds to the end, right? You know what I mean? If he's in 15th, you just you guarantee that his 14 inch. This is a 20 this is guarantee. You never know. Who's who? We have service, right? You know, you didn't have service who does you know, he's never know on the same way. I got a fish till the end. I have to I can't hold onto those pictures either because I do not trust technology. Yeah. Yeah, something give you a perfect example of why not to hold onto him, right that happened to me. So we're fishing a buckeye kayak fishing Smallmouth only tournament and we're fishing this sweet little riffle man. I meet Lee catch for good ones as soon as we get to the Riffle there. They were actively feeding chasing stuff. I mean it was like sight fishing Smallmouth so killer right? That's awesome. So pumped up me. I hop back in my kayak. I'm super pumped up, you know in the flow of the river was pretty good that day and I caught another good one that's puking up all these crawdads and some kind of leaning over my PA not paying attention where I'm floating look at these crawdads or floating in the water, but the Smallmouth just kicked up and the side of my kayak caught this riffle that I should have been paying attention to and flipped me. So guess you didn't submit their pictures because they were biting my phone was gone. And you know, luckily I was able to explode with some of my buddies so I caught some more fish that was like third or fourth place fish. I couldn't duplicate that mean. You know what? I mean? That that bite that happened was just real quick and it was a good window, you know. Yeah, but you know, and that's me not even holding it right not even holding it for till the end or anything that happens to so many people man. I've heard multiple. People who like to sandbag get burned from and I'm just like yeah, you wouldn't be burnt from it. And the really good guys aren't none of them are holding back. Right? Right. I mean, none of them are going to hold back till the end. They're just going to lay it down the whole time. You know, what I think is funny. Sometimes is guys hold back fish in there in the Big Bass Pro and then they wait till the last hour to upload their fish when they could have one big bass, but because they waited till the end they end up losing, you know, that that opportunity to win that. That you know 50 bucks or whatever it is because they sandbags it's like what's the point of signing up for the big bass prof. You're not going to you know participate and I think that's part of the reason why they put that into effect right is just so that it would encourage guys to continue upload their fish, you know, and not only that it makes weigh-ins or you know, the end of the day tournament results to come out even longer because now the judge has got to go through, you know, a hundred photos instead of doing them all throughout the day. Yeah. So I don't know but I like it man. I dig it. You got any more questions for Brian. Nah, man, I am sorry. I sidetracked you a little bit from your actual notes. I mean, like I said, I was Fanboy over here, you know, so I you're but you know, there was some questions I wanted to ask and get thrown in there before. I didn't have the opportunity, you know. So are you going to be at the FLW? Maybe FLW cup. No, unfortunately, I just could not get the funds together man, you know, they came out with that stuff so late in the season. I have already allocated all the money I could to tournaments, you know, so when they came out with that stuff, I mean, I just I can't come up with just 500 dollars out of it are, you know plus Travis on next next year? Now they're gonna have it out early at someone be able to plan for you know, I really hate I can't tell you how much I hate missing. Yeah. It's a shame bow to miss it man. This paint on the misted over, you know, I've learned. Well, I'd love to see you in it man. Local local guy repping us. That'd be all Whelan's in it. We do have a all those guys are in it. It's going to be an amazing event man. You know, I mean, it's really I'm excited to watch it. You got a prediction on how many inches are going to know how many inches it's going to take to win. No, I don't mean I do not know that lake at all when they said where it was I couldn't yeah, I was like what? Yeah. Heard of it every town I had to look it up watch at oh what? Yeah, it wasn't like Nikki Jack right out of least. I've heard it right jack. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I've never heard of this place, you know. Yeah, that's what the reason it's gonna be fun to watch man. Let's see what these guys can do man, you know what I mean? Absolutely. None pressured leg to it's not getting pretty fish for the FLW, you know, I mean, that's killer right, right. Yeah, I know. I saw Sam Jones caught a nice one today put up a little video of it getting released. I don't know if Alan posted anything. But yeah, man, I know there's there's a lot of good names. I wish I was down there as well man. I was in the same boat as you I just you know funds were dry committed to too many other things and you know is what it is, but we'll see you man. I think it'll be a great event and an interesting like, you know, for sure from what I've you know read up on it. So I'm predicting it'll probably be a hundred eighty inches at least for two days. Yeah today starts. I would imagine it has to be somewhere around there that likes think you said it all. Yeah. Yeah a lot of water a lot of water look at the octopus on their looks cute. It is for sure man. Also my think it's all we have with you tonight. So we appreciate Coming on and talking with us congrats on that Pro side win at least one is Harbor. That's it guys. Thanks for having me on yeah. Absolutely man. We're good guys follow you and stuff, you know, social media things like that shout-out to your sponsors all that good stuff. Yep. You can follow me on Facebook. I'm on Curt Smith some Facebook Smitty Fisher on everything else on YouTube and Instagram big shout-out to strictly sale Hobie torpedo. Yak attack jig master. Lithium, I always forget someone catch catch that steam, right? Yeah. I think that I see right there. Yeah, can't forget Duke, man. You cannot forget Duke. I cannot forget is a good dude. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Very cool, man. It was a pleasure talking to you and I can't wait to meet you at the trail event or the trail Championship. So it's definitely absolutely Solutely, man. Thanks again. All right, man. So let's get into some Recaps now. Yeah, absolutely. Let's do it man. All right, I was gonna go over the kbf, Ohio monthly challenge this month because that's when I was participating in and I know a lot of people in this area follow those leaderboards. So heck yea my kbf monthly for July with the winner was Wayne snack. With ninety eight and a quarter inches. He also won big bass of the month with 22 and a half. That's a tank dude. Yeah, and I think that came out of Snowden Lake. I'm not exactly where that is in, Ohio, but I have heard of it. That's awesome. That's a big fish man. Yeah it real big fish for a while. So second place was Michael Bruning with ninety five and a quarter inches, and then third place was Michael Pano with ninety five and a quarter inches, so they tied I don't I don't know how the tiebreakers worked. You know exactly. I'm usually it's a big bass big bad stuff. Yeah, whoever had the bigger bass out of the whole bag and then say like say that they both had their big bash was like 19 and a half then I'll go to the second biggest bass and this song so that's what I thought. Yeah hundred percent sure but 95 inches man. That's a 19 inch average, you know, yeah, so that's that's a lot of big fish. Fish I had a pretty good month though. I ended up 10th place. I think with 87 inches. That's nice. It went it went to bad is one of my better months fishing. I you know, I'm still learning. So it's like a 17 and a half inch average dude. Yeah. I caught quite a backup three over 18 last month. So nice. All right, I'm not used to that. That's why we call you sticks. I don't deserve the name yet though man, getting their brother you get in there for the second one. I picked a Massachusetts kbf monthly challenge. For some reason. This one's stuck out to me because they put up huge numbers. It has Massachusetts is not a big state. It's not a state that I think of when it comes to Bass Fishing. Yeah. Well, I'm through their challenge. I was blown away. The winner was Paul oedema Reyes jr. With a hundred 1 inches That's over 20 in average. Second place was Cameron to bill with a hundred and a half inches and then third place was Dominic. No with 99.75 inches That's crazy. Dude. Yeah, and then I think the whole leaderboard. I'm pretty sure let me check here the top the top 13. We're all over 90 inches. That's insane. Yeah, so I think I'm we need to go to Massachusetts to will go to East-West Harbor and then shoot up to A Massachusetts to find some big bass man. Sounds good. That's insane. Yeah, I'm starting to like look through these leaderboards and just notice a little things like this message crazy. Definitely on my list. I got a Carolina kayak Anglers. They had a tournament on I didn't write the I didn't write this stupid leg down cursed Scott Lake see the winner was Keith McGee with 50 inches. This was a three three fish. Yeah. So 50 inches Keith McGee second place was Melvin Yang with 47 inches and then third place was Cory coffee with forty six point seven five inches and then big bass was a bob Danton with 21 inch bass. That's a tank. Yeah, they caught some real good fish down there on That lake so yeah seems like it. I'm surprised that out to see that was a three three fish limit. Yeah interesting and then we have the kbf series Trail Mark Twain. I was going to let you go over that since you were there. Oh, man. Well, you know, we briefly talked about it with Kurt there for a minute and man. It was crazy, you know, so, you know my my traveling Buddies Obviously Alan Reed Sam Jones and Dylan Fuqua, right? And you know, you're talking three three good sticks. I know you know, we had Sam on the OG show and he's a good dude, man. And he's had some struggles where you know, he was on good fish pre-fishing and then just come tournament day like, you know, and I think one of his best turnouts of the year was at the FLW kbf cup, I think he was And in like 12 place after day one and I forget where he ended up day to but regardless, I knew Alan Reed was on good fish. I think it was. Friday night he caught it 19 and a half in my biggest fish. I caught Thursday evening was a was a 17. So I knew Allen was on some kind of bite. I wasn't really sure where he was fishing. We don't share that information with each other until after the tournament all four of us. It's always funny because we're always like were you fishing where you finish? What are you throwing and you know, it's funny like, you know, This week we had the Dylan Fuqua episode and you know, he's always like, you know, I was throwing the banjo minnow, you know, we joke with each other like that. We don't fill each other in so but I knew Alan was real confident and he was on some good fish and same thing with Dylan Dylan thought he would throw together, you know, because we always talk like hey, what do you think you're going to come up with tomorrow? And we hate throwing those predictions out there, but we still kind of you know, I think Dylan thought he was going to throw at least 75 Up to 80 inches which 75 inches I think would have put you in like fifth or sixth place. Yeah, but Alan Reed one with 82 and a half. Yeah, he had 82 and a half in I know he he had five fish and then he upgraded to throughout the day and he started off his morning with that 21, which I mean what a huge confidence boost you start out your morning with a 21-inch fish like you're like yeah came on, you know, but It was a tough bite man. I know you know, I caught fish during pre-fishing. Like I said and then come tournament more in I got four right away in the morning and then I just struggled to find another fish and I knew I know that was a common theme or guys were finding fish. But the biggest ones they were catching were 14 inches. But yeah Alan took first in both the trail. And the pro so yeah, it was super cool for Alan. He had a first-place prowin at Kansas, but I think he took third in the trail at the beginning of the year. So I know he was really wanting that first-place win. And I think that should put him in first place for the Central Division for aoi or you know, it'll be a battle between him and Richie McMichael because they've both done really well. And that's the thing to Richie took third. I know he was in second all day, but he he tied for second and third place but he must have had this Jerry Cornelius took second. So he must have had a bigger bass. But you know the big struggle with that Lake was is it's dropped. I've heard mixed things but I heard like 20 or 30 feet it drops, but I like level in two weeks and it's crazy because I know Alan had a conversation with a local and he was like you see that bush up there on the hill. I pulled 15 Keepers out of that two weeks ago. He's like now I'm struggling to find three, you know, so and that's crazy that whole lake is Rock. It's just Solid Rock there's deep or steep Ledges all over the place and it was kind of tricky finding fish. You know, like I said, I was I was throwing some creature Bates And jig with a crayfish trailer and that's how I caught all my fish pre-fishing and then come tournament to a I cut those for on a creature bait, you know, but yeah, it was a tricky one and definitely tricky one. So shout out to all those guys that did really well, you know, I came up one fish short, which would have put me in the top 10 so is what it is. Yeah. Alan Reed got the trifecta on there. He won the tournament Pro side and big bass. He took the money. I think he might be the first one to take that Trifecta. I could be wrong though, but I know Dylan's taken first in both the pro and the trail at Madison, but I don't know if he had big bass for the event. I don't think he did. It seems like it's really hard to do. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I saw I saw the leaderboard he posted that 21 inch fish. I'm He's going to win it. Yeah. Yeah, he ended up winning it sir. Yeah, man. All right. I got a Massachusetts kayak Bassin Bassin Tournament Trail. They had a they had a tournament at I didn't write the leg down again upper and lower Mystic Lake. Yeah. Okay. The winner was Kevin Amaral with 90 inches. Second place was Bruce Levi with eighty nine and a half inches. Third place was Kenwood with eighty seventy eight point seven five inches and then big bass was Kevin Amaral Junior with 20 and a quarter inch bass. What a jump from third to Yeah, I noticed that too. That's huge Edith 9 inches. Hey, it's not like that. Yeah, that's it. And not only that but like so between first and second you got a half inch difference man. Like I'd rather lose by two or three inches than a half inch, you know, that just hurts more. You know what I mean? Like that's crazy going through a lot of these tournaments week-by-week man. It's like the top three are always really close. I've noticed a couple tournaments over the last few. Weeks they've been within like an inch of each other an inch and a half of each other and the Orcs first and second place or a quarter inch so it's just crazy. Well, I know I know so if I would have caught a 12 inch fish that would have jumped me up into like I think seventh or eighth place at Mark Twain and that was a thing like other than Alan all the rest of the guys were so close in that top 10 as far as inches go which was it easy man. There's there's been a lot of tight down-to-the-wire tournaments lately it seems oh, yeah, it's pretty awesome. Heck yeah, man. So next one I have here is a Hobie bass open satellite you've been day out. They were also in Missouri this past weekend along at kbf Trail Lake Mungo. Is that how you pronounce it? Yeah Mozingo, I think yeah, they they had one this past week in August 3rd. The winner was Pat lastic with 86 inches. Second place was a David Cruz seventy nine and a half inches and then third place was Joshua Workman with 79 and Quarter inches which I've heard his name before. I don't know if you have or not. Yeah. Yeah, I think man, what is he fish? Normally, I've heard that name numerous times. I have to Bart I think I think he fishes kbf usually. Yeah, he might that's probably where I've heard it from but big bass went to David Cruz 20 inches. So he want he got second place and big best friend tournament. Yeah, and I think David Cruz runs that pain Warriors tournament series, I think right I'll donate the Nationwide. Yeah, the Nationwide pain Warriors tournament and then they usually have like a battle against the pro or whatever the big name. I know Jackson nor did it once I think maybe Jody queen or something. I could be wrong. But usually he gets like a bigger name and kayak Bass Fishing a battle it out against, you know, all the people that sign up for those tournaments and I think they do it by regions, but I don't know too much about pain Warrior, but I've seen it and I'm pretty sure he runs that or he has something to do with that which is pretty cool. Yeah. I've seen the pain Warrior thing as well, but I haven't really looked into it. That might be Want to check out for ya recap on for sure. Definitely. Yeah looking at that. Yeah, because I think the way they do that is it's I think you're not limited to five fish. I think it's the most fish you can catch or the most inches. Like there's no limit to the number of fish. So, I mean, that's the thing too. It's kind of like MLF where the guys can go out and bang a bunch of two and three pound fish and then you got some guys that are just going after the Giants to get that weight real. So I think it's kind of a similar format again. I don't know a hundred percent about it, but I thought I read something like that, which I think is really cool. So I'm going to look into that for next week. Yeah, that sounds that sounds interesting. Yes. Check it out, man. I have one more here and then a couple shout outs New York kayak Bass Fishing Trail had one on Onondaga Lake. I think that's how you pronounce it big. Shout out to Josh Smith. I've been talking to him on Facebook quite a bit. He's a listener. So Josh if you're listening to this episode shout out to you man. Yeah, I think Josh and I are Belizean fishing rod teammates. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's I remember seeing that on his profile. Yeah him and I are both on Elysium. Okay, shut it all to Josh. Yeah, then also wanted to shout out Justin hawser. He's the tournament director for New York. Kike Bassin nice. He he's on the National Pro Staff Jackson. So oh very cool him and him and Jay probably are familiar with each other. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So I wanted to give him a shout out. We're actually going to have him on the show next week to talk about that tournament. True. Awesome. Very cool, man. Shout out to those two guys, but they had was a three fish tournament. Um, it's got to believe so yeah, I believe so. I'm not 100% sure. Because it doesn't see right here, but it has to be but the winner was Jake molten with 56 and a quarter inches. So yeah, it was - yeah, it's three fish. Yeah, second place was Ryan Swartz with fifty four and a quarter inches and third place was Adin Blake with 54 inches and then a big bass went to Jake molten with 19 and a half. So he won the tournament and big bass and I believe this Aiden Blake guy, I believe he's a young To I don't I'm not sure I don't want to I don't want to say for sure but his picture looks like he might be a younger younger. Yeah, so that that is that's real cool on his profile. He's got a hog. Yeah, it does that thing looks like it's at least a pounds. That's cool. Very cool. Yep, and one more shout out here because this is pretty impressive what he's been doing this year. Jody Queen he's had consecutive wins back-to-back weekends on the New River. You want to talk about a legend dude? Yeah, that's a guy look up to and he's on the bona fide team. I know you're on the bona fide team dude, and that's a guy look up to man. I heard I think it was on like one to Chad Hoover's Vlogs one time and you know, if you look at his profile like the number of wins second place third place top five top ten finishes like That guy's got a ton and I forget who it was asking. Like what's the key to your success? And he's like just spending as much time on the water as possible. And I've always remembered that. I think that's that's a huge huge chunk of advice man that I think a lot of people can take away. You know, I mean I can I can testify to that, you know, when I spend a lot more time on the water. I'm more focused and you know more in tune and I think that's part of my problem with these last two terms. Moments, I fished you know, Mississippi and Missouri man. I just haven't had as much time on the water as I normally do. So yeah. Yeah I could attest for that. Also. I'm I've spent I probably spent more time on my cat kayak this year than I have passed two previous years combined. Yeah. Well, I'm starting to see like me building, you know, like those building blocks and then like, yeah, I'm starting to figure things out and it's And it's because I'm spending more time on the water. Sure heck. Yeah, man, dude, you're putting those blocks together and yeah building building up your repertoire. So it's just yeah, it's just hard because when you're spending so much time on the water. It's just it's hard to like. Juggle other priorities, you know, I mean sure sure sure sure. That's that's that's the problem coming in facing this year. So there's a little bit of learning curve to that as well. Yeah, trust me man. I've been going through it too. You know, I mean, I you know, I didn't fish anything kbf related last year, but I did fish there's something called kayak Wars I think and shout-out to The Godfather he had found it online and We were both kind of fish in it. So I kind of got my feet wet with like taking pictures and upload and pictures and reading through rules and how to you know, get fish submitted and things like that. So, you know, I think that's a that's a key thing, you know just practice that and like like Kurt talked about, you know, his I thought that was a great question that you brought up was like, you know, what's your system for getting a fish? Yeah photo taken and uploaded and he talks about How he's got his net there so that fish ain't getting out of the boat and things like that. And that's key man. I mean that's what kind of always hate Circle and back to this but had I stuck to my system. I would have never lost my phone at Nikka Jack, you know what I mean? Yeah, if if I would have stuck to my system that would have never happened. That fish would have been no we're clear close to my phone as I was typing in measurements, but you know, you live in your learn man, that's that's part of it. So that's there. That's why I bought that don't or not donkey leash but phone yes. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah weird about that. Yeah that helps man it because you can get all situated why that fish is just chilling and relaxing on your leash and then you take it off get the photo and you know, you can put it back on your leash while you're sitting there typing in your measurements to go and upload it, you know, so it's a key thing. I mean, I don't use a leash. I just throw it in my net and keep my net in the water. Water so the fish can just kind of swim around while I'm doing that and then once I get everything submitted and uploaded I let it go. So yeah, very cool. Yeah that that I use that leash on top of the phone leash. So when I catch the fish, I'll put it on a leash and then I'll take out my phone open the camera and let my phone dangle because I hook yeah, that's I let it dangle get my board ready. So yeah, I do the same thing. I do the same thing. I get I get the app open like I get that. Camera app open and I get it ready to take the photo and then I'll pull the fish out put them on the board while wet the board first and put the fish on it and and then grab my phone while it's dangling there grab the photo throw the fish back in the net look at the photo. Make sure it's all good. And then, you know, if I got to retake I'll take the fish back out or you know, whatever. Yeah, very cool. It's awesome to compare different routines between Anglers This helps everybody. Yeah, I think it's a great question for for all of the guests we have on you know, because that's that's always the thing man. Like something is a little as having that nut in place or open in that camera app before you pull the fish out to put on the board. I think that's that's key in a lot of people can pick up on and make their own system out of all these little different intricacies between all the different Anglers for sure. I remember that was one of the questions I've been saving in the Because I remember a video that Dusty Acker posted on Facebook. I'm just like it just got me thinking about it. Like what do I need to do make my routine better? So yeah. Yeah. No, I hear yes. It's all about having a routine. So that way you can stay on top of things and you know get it going. So, yep. So I got three upcoming events that I was going to share and then I think that's going to be all we have for tonight. Of course, we talked about it earlier, but we got the K BF F LW Cup coming up. Hot Springs, Arkansas August 9th and 10th bunch of big names in that term it I'm not going to go over shoutouts because I mean you can read the whole list and Shout out everybody. So if you want to check out the leaderboards, make sure to check it out on tourney X we got Great Lakes kayak fishing series. They have a tournament at big and little Arbor Vitae lake. Is that how you pronounce it ARB Evita Arbor Vitae? Okay, I might head up. There I don't know yet. I was about to ask her. I know you know a few guys in that tournament. Yeah, my teammate from Rock Town Rodney Hicks is going up there. I was looking for his name. I didn't see it. I believe Susie roll off from the paddle and fin podcast is going to be up there. She usually is a director for that and judges all the fish and stuff. So I'm pretty sure she'll be up there. Actually. I know she'll be up there. I already talked to her about that. Derek Derek Aiken and I'm sure there's a few other people that I'm missing. But yeah, it should be a good turnout man. And that's that's Northern Wisconsin. Minocqua is like, you know, one of the vacation destinations for Northern Wisconsin the Northwoods, so it should be a good tournament decent numbers and everything coming out of there. So for sure. Awesome. And then the last one I have here is a the kbf trail, Winnipesaukee, New Hampshire August 10th. I think that's how you pronounce it. I'm awful with pronouncing some of these other. Yeah, I think I think you're right. I think it's Winnipesaukee is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So if I pronounced it wrong and you guys live in New Hampshire, forgive me, and then let's see. I don't know. I think that's a Northwestern region Northeast Northeast. Yeah J'adore theist that's what of that so if you want to follow that leaderboard make sure to check out tourney X as well and I believe that's all I have because I don't think the Hobie bass open has won this coming weekend. So we're not getting any of those right on man. Yeah, some good tournaments to follow for sure for sure. Definitely. So We got a few podcast shoutouts if you want to go over those Yeah, man. So guys check out paddling fin.com the website. We've been doing a ton of revamping. I know we've all posted some blogs up there some of the new guys myself. I got another blog to post up there about my tournament recap and things like that and just talking about the mental Tournament game. You can obviously get some And Finn swag on there. You can send us questions. You can leave comments on our blog post see the gear were using all that good stuff plus, you know, all these people were about to shout out. You can get two links to their websites off of our website on the Affiliates page. So check that out. Definitely give us follow on the social media app paddling Fin and Facebook Facebook and Instagram is at paddling Finn if you guys going Any questions for the real down episode, please email pmf real r or L at gmail.com or paddle the letter N infinite gmail.com. And also if you want your Tournament Trail recognize send me an e-mail send me your Tournament Trail information. All that stuff will work. Yeah. We love covering, you know auton of trails man. I mean that was the whole idea behind this whole segment. And I think you and crankbait Johnny have been doing an awesome job. So kudos to you guys, man. I mean you guys have been really covering some Trails. I know at first it was it was hard getting getting some info and then we all kind of talked about it and you know, we started connecting with some of these tournament directors or people that were fishing the tournaments and everybody has had a great response about it. So let's just help grow the segment even more man. I mean, you know, if you win a tournament reach out man, we'd love to give you a shout out. Out or you know, you helped run a tournament. I mean you guys deserve recognition for what you guys do. I mean tournament directors don't have it easy or anybody involved in any of these small clubs. I mean, it's a ton of work. So yeah shout out. Shout out to you guys man. No tournament Trails too small either. Yeah. Yeah for sure man, whether you got 10 guys or honor guys, it doesn't matter. Yeah. We'd love to love to talk about your Trail man. Shout out to rock Town Adventures. Leveling canoe and kayak Hammer lures recycled Plastics program guys. Obviously, you guys hear me talk about this all the time. Mr. Hicks talks about it as well such a great program and you know take your use Plastics from this season. Save them up mail them to the address in the show notes are man Eric Richard melts down makes new baits out of them donate some to Heroes on the water, which is just a great cause and a great way to give back instead of Given to the garbage dump. Boom Coyote sunglasses. Overstock.com sunglasses overstock.com. I believe it is our stock. Sunglasses.com. Okay, you can use promo code paddle in fin 10, or is it paddle Fin ton? I always forget I think it's out on fintan. Yeah paddle and fin 10, you get 10% off Coyote sunglasses any polarized glasses. They're pretty slick. They float. You know, so even if you drop them in the water, you won't lose them. Shout out to fish ma blue or Southern Lake. Oh and of course our segment sponsor, Michigan, Ohio kayak Anglers call which they have a tournament coming up. Yeah Championship, right? Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Hey man, thanks for having me on the real down segment. This was fun. This is a little bit different. Ace yeah, not chatting with rickets and Randall might have to come over to the real time real down full time. It's fun. It's fun man. I love Bob bouncing around and helping everybody out dude, it's cool. It's it's different. Give me a different case and you know any way I can help out feel free to reach out definitely or if you can't make it and I got to fill in with crankbait Johnny. That would be an exciting one. That would be awesome. You might have yeah, so I'm going on vacation the end of the month right on right now. Very cool, man. Yeah, you got anything else to drop in here man. Nope, I'm good. All right, brother. Well, thanks again. And as always guys tight lines and smooth paddling.

Sticks and Brian talk with 2017 KBF national champion about his recent pro side win at KBF trail East/West harbor. They dive into Kurt's mental approach to tournament fishing as well as some pre fishing success and tournament day high and lows. The boys also recap tournaments across the nation as well as some big upcoming events next weekend.

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So I want to talk before we dive in a little bit about How transformation has shown up in my life? I think that word when I when I look at my entire life Journey like from being a little kid to now the word transformation is always been really really connected to me and we all have you know for some of us it's inspiration or creativity or love or passion or you know, some people say they're like, I'm really outgoing right some of us have these words that we just really truly identify with and for me the word as always been transformation success has always been something I've wanted but for a long time it felt like it was really hard for me. It felt Out Of Reach unattainable much like many of you might feel as you go on your business Journeys. I wanted to be successful but that wasn't really my identity. 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So she's going to show up every day trying to achieve that desired outcome, but she's not that woman who has that thing and therefore that thing is harder to You perceive so when I was trying to lose 60 pounds and I for any of you guys who have health and wellness goals. I have spent so much of my life in this up and down and ebb and flow and gain and lose process. I didn't identify as somebody who was healthy and fit identified as somebody who struggled with her weight. So, you know, what did I do? Every time I got dressed as like I don't look so good. I would say things to myself in the mirror like, oh man. I wish you were thinner. I would choose food for Comfort because that was what a non healthy person did so it no matter how much I obsessed about the you nobody that I wanted or the size of my jeans or the the goal that I had for myself. I was not a woman who was healthy and identify as that woman and so in order to achieve my goal and this is actually what happened for me. I started to identify as a high performer who was really actually very healthy and I became that identity guys. This is like the Royal secret when I became that identity the action that I took was so much better and so much more driven towards my outcome than any action I had ever taken when I was just obsessed with my goal and being in the identity of the old me. So I needed to transform I needed to change I needed to evolve into the woman who had the desired outcome that I really was. Chasing and it time and time again this method of transforming yourself to get the success transforming your identity to get the outcome that you desire time and time again, this has worked for me. And so I went on this journey of my life to master these principles. These are principles. I have been using way back when all the way not even going to lie it since I was like a kid, I'm going to share that story with you guys, but I went on to use these principles for my career for my Health for my relationships for my business and ultimately transformed my life. And then I was like, you know what maybe I should teach this to people like maybe there's a method here. Maybe there's actually something secret here that I didn't even know I had and so I sat down this was about 12 months ago. I sat down and I started to map out this process and I'm like, okay, I've reached you know, I've gotten sober after 10 years of struggling with this method. I lost 60 pounds after 10 years of struggling. With my weight I manifested thousands of dollars and hit income month goal after income goal because of these methods so can I teach this and so I started to evaluate my process in my method and then I started to share that method with my one-on-one clients and pretty soon. I was seeing that this method was freaking magic not magic to the point where like, okay like you had a goal and now you achieved it but magic like unexplainable shit started to Happen like I had clients who told me that they've been trying to get pregnant for seven years and then finally walking them through this process one-on-one. They now have beautiful children big families insane. It's insane what we can create by ourselves and the first step the most important step to all of this as we dive in and you're thinking okay great Lauren like infertility, like wow, you know magic magician over here the first most important thing that we must identify as that. Hey we are Are the creators of our reality like if you're listening to this and you're saying okay? Yeah, but I have a low metabolism so I can't receive those goals or yeah, I want business goals and in financial achievement, but I only have X amount of Instagram followers or yeah, I want that baby. 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You want to achieve a health goal you want to achieve at the end of the day you have the ability to create that Destiny and it starts by transforming yourself and learning about the success principles and I'm going to share with you guys now, you know in the beginning of this episode. I mentioned the transform bootcamp transformation boot camp. I highly suggest you guys. All go and jump in on that that is going to be a five day free series as a gift to you guys just for showing up and listening to this episode for five straight days. I'm going to coach you on transformation and it's free. So badass business babe.com boot camp. You can jump right into that series it is going to be so epic and it is just a little sneak peek of the principles and concepts of transform success, which is that signature group coaching program that opens at the end of the month. So, okay. So where did this? Start transformation and success. Well, a lot of us are born as these like little kids and then we'll all of us right where born is little kids and then we're put into these environments of life, you know, one person grows up in India in one religion. Another person grows up in you know, Upstate New York with Roman Catholic parents two, very different environments to very, you know, different ways of living two different representations of the world that we live in very very different and as we Row what ends up happening? We're very divine right we were put on this planet, you know as in our wholeness I was watching, you know, this is just an example of little kids and the power of that we have when we were little I was watching this show Billy on the Street which is like a funny, you know comedy show and he does the screaming competition with girls where he has all these little kids. There's like five little girls and he says whoever screams the best is going to win an American Girl doll and will Well is one of the girls which makes it really funny. So it's like all these like seven-year-old kids and then Will Ferrell and they're in the screaming competition to win an American Girl doll. And before they do the challenge before they scream Billy goes up to each and every one of them and he asked them a question. He says why do you deserve to win this American Girl doll and I'm thinking like I'm watching this and I'm like, you know, what if I was answering this, what would I say? Well, I'm a good kid. I eat my vegetables, you know, I do. Make my bed every day. My mom says I'm the best like why do I deserve this American Girl doll and it was so funny. Every freaking one of these kids. The answer was when they were asked. Why do you deserve an American Girl doll? The answer was well because I don't have one. And I thought this was incredible little kids. They think they're so entitled to receive whatever it is that what they want. And I love that. I think we all need to be that way. We all need to be able to say, you know, I want this that's why I deserve it. Right like I want this I don't have it. I want it and that's why I'm deserving of it. But when we're kids were some things happen a couple of things happen. Number one. We are stripped of our divine. So we are taught by parents all you shouldn't want that. That selfish or that's greedy or hey, that's not actually what you should be prioritizing where stripped of that intuitive calling to do and want certain things. So when I was a little girl and I was like, you know what Mommy I really want to go to the nail salon, and I want to be pampered and I want to get my nails done on my moms. Like no that's a waste of money. I learned that hey what I want is actually wrong sometimes and this happens over and over and over again is where kids when we're like, hey, I want to major in this or I want to go to this school. Or I want to you know, do this craft in our parents teach us that hey maybe the desires we have for ourselves aren't actually the right desires that we should have and we start to question our intuitive download. Another thing that starts to happen is that we start to think we're not capable of creating what we want. So maybe we have a moment where we fail or a moment where we get embarrassed or a moment where we set a goal and we self-sabotage or a moment where somebody tells us that we are not capable of doing something and then we start to Remove all of that divine power all of that ability to channel and create and we get back to this place where we feel like we are less than and then we become adults and then we become adults and our souls are screaming at us. They're saying things like hey, I want that dream vacation home. Hey, I want to take a lavish trip with my husband. Hey, I want to pay off all of my bills rent an RV and travel the world and then in your head you hear that old voice of of reason and logic and Science and boring stuff and it says hey wait, that's not practical. Hey, wait that actually can't happen. Hey, wait, like so-and-so might not agree with that decision. You might be judged. How is that going to happen? Yeah, right good for her but not for you. And this is what starts to happen is like that pattern of childhood starts to come up. So one of the really powerful things we're going to be talking about in transform success it this is an element of the program. Is my unblocking method so a lot of us have been in that place where over and over again, you know, we have been taught and conditioned his children that the world is a certain way. It's hard goals are hard to attain. You have to work real how many how many of us have heard of to work really hard to make money. You have to work really hard Blood Sweat and Tears to be successful. We need to unblock that and so my unblocking method which is one of the weeks of transform success that's signature group coaching program actually. He walks you through a rinse and repeat process for this a very unique method that can remove and unshackle all of that for you. No matter what goal you have in your life. My unblocking method is something I go back to time and time again just to revisit to tap open every time I set a new goal for myself. So I'm blocking is a really important part of this process. But when we're adults we start to feel the desire to do be in have a lot more than what we currently have in our reality and we look at where we are and we say, yeah, you know, this is cool. I love this and I have things I'm grateful for but I want more I want more I want to be do and have more than I have right now. I want to live to a higher potential. I want to raise my standard. I want to be more successful than I am today. And then we look at our current reality and we go and maybe not maybe not so transformation started for me when I was really really young. I was bullied as a kid. I've talked openly about this, you know on the Podcast and blog posts badass business babe.com. I didn't really have friends. I had some and then we'd get in fights. And then I'd be alone. I remember there was this one time at the cafeteria table where I went home from a day of school. I came back the next day sat at the lunch table where I was sitting with all of these girls who were popular and beautiful and I felt so grateful and they all had each written meal a note privately that said they couldn't Friends with me anymore. So I went home that day with no friends and five letters. And so I very much felt like I didn't belong and I remember there was one summer. I was getting my braces off and I was bullied by Boys a lot because I didn't feel I didn't feel beautiful and I you know was awkward and I looked you know, like I was going through that awkward stage and then summer came and I remember the movie Legally Blond had just came out and if you've seen in Legally Blond, there's like this whole opening scene where she's getting ready. She's shaving her legs and she's brushing her hair and she has this, you know, beautiful pink room and she's listening to music and painting her nails and wearing her Tiffany necklace. And so I watched this and I was like, wow this woman who's really popular who has tons of friends who manifested her soulmate, you know how and she says this beautiful successful career at the end good for her good for you Legally Blond, right? Did she do everyday that allowed her to be that woman who had it all and I looked at that opening scene and I was like, oh, okay. She shaved her legs. She painted her nails. She wore Tiffany neck Tiffany necklace, right like and these are all like really superficial things. But for me, this was the evidence of where I needed to start it was the habits and the activities and the practices that allowed her to be do and have Everything that she wanted and so I that summer got a Tiffany necklace. I went to Walmart got the same razor and skintimate shave gel that. She had and I started to prepare myself for my transformation and I remember going back to school and being like, yeah, like my hair is blonde now. I got ya. I got highlights right Little Italian girl over here got highlights because I wanted to be really just like Elle Woods as close as possible and I went back to school and I changed and I transformed and like nothing really happened. No, beautiful man showed up at my doorstep. No group of friends was suddenly like hey, I want to be your friend. I had done all of the action but my life and my reality didn't change because I didn't do the inner identity work that I now do regularly anytime I transform or any time. I have one of my clients transform. I was in grade school. I didn't know what the hell I was doing, right, but it was a good step in the right direction the Actions of a successful person are really really important in order to create the success that you desire. So step number one for you. And for anybody else is to identify what the vision is and then step two is to really take that action. If you're listening to this episode and you're ready to take Massive Action to transform your life and your business listen up guys transformation boot camp is now open for enrollment and it's free. This is a five days. 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Or you can take your finger swipe up to see those show notes and the link is below. I'm so excited to see you guys come in. And in addition if you go check out that sales page, there are some incredible epic bonuses inside of this five day free series. So you don't want to miss this one again. That's badass business babe.com boot camp. Okay, let's get back to the episode and between step one and step two step one. Is that vision and then step two is the actual In that's where we get stuck and sometimes many of us won't take the right action because we don't have the right action or we're not taking the right action from an aligned space and then we wonder hey, I'm showing up at the gym every day, but nothing's happening. Why are you showing up at the gym saying? Hey, this sucks. I hate this this isn't working. I'm so out of shape or are you at the gym going? Yeah. I love this is feels awesome. I'm so aligned right your thoughts create your reality. Your thoughts are literally an internal representation of what you're creating every single day. And so for many of us that action when we're not in that space of it will work. It will it will be successful. I'm going to get this result for many of us that action is an entire waste of time. And then for a lot of other people they don't even take that action because they're in the old identity of it not working. Why even bother why even try why even go after this, I remember when I first started to incorporate The transform success principles into my life. I overnight became somebody who was successful. I went from making eight thousand dollars in a year to making multiple six figures to then going to half a million and every goal I set for myself it became easier and easier and easier because I knew in my heart that I was destined for that outcome. And this is something that can be cultivated over time. This is something that we can all do together through the on blocking process through the magnetic manifestation process all of which are inside of that program transform success. So first and foremost number one, what is your Clear Vision? Do you have a Clear Vision when you say hey I want to transform and hey, I want to be successful. Are you picking a number to quantify that and that's it or are you picking the emotions attached to it? Sometimes I do this thing called forecasting and I recommend this activity for anybody. Trying to achieve a goal. I pick my desired outcome and then I sit down every morning and I write a couple of sentences in my journal about how it feels to have that goal as if I have already have it. So just as an example, I have a very clear Financial goal for January and so every day I'm sitting in my meditation room and that's it spot with my journal and I'm writing down. I am so happy and so grateful now that I've hit this goal and it's not just that it's not just I'm so happy and so grateful it is Hey, this is what I get to do every day because I hit my goal. This is what my husband says to me because I hit my goal. This is what my vacation looks like that I get to take because I hit my goal. This is how I feel because I hit my goal. This is what's happening in my personal life because I hit my goal and I paint the picture guys paint the picture it's not enough to know the specific numerical outcome of where you're going you need to emotionally invest in it. You need to tap into that. Energy. And so when we talk about having that Clear Vision, there is an element of transform success that group coaching program where I walk you through my desire roadmaps and I teach you how to really create that clear formed concrete path where there are no loopholes or gaps or holes in the process of creating the vision you want to be such a Clear Channel that you know exactly what you want. You know exactly what the outcome is, you know exactly how It's going to make you feel and you know how to move towards it. So number one. It's that Clear Vision and then number two. It's the right strategy and for strategy many of us are just implementing what we think we need to do and we're not actually listening to our intuition. I'll give you an example when I was starting to lose weight some 160 pounds. That was my goal. 60 pounds 60 pounds 60 pounds. I looked at everybody else and I was like, okay. Well, she's doing it this way. I guess that works. So I need It that way too and that way was Quito. Okay, if you guys know the keto diet Quito I didn't love eating meat every day. It didn't feel exciting to me to cut out fruit. I love fruit, right? So for me, I'm watching this process in this method of what somebody else is doing and I'm thinking okay. Well, I have to sacrifice a lot of my desires to reach this goal. I got to give up things that I love. I don't know if I want to do that and I I started to try to implement something that deep down. I actually really didn't like to do and this was because I shut off my intuition and I was looking at what other people were telling me was going to work and when we come up with strategy that is effective the most important part of an effective strategy is that it feels aligned to you. Not that it feels easy. Right? Like there are things you're going to have to do to transform and be successful that are hard and uncomfortable anytime you stretch into New paradigm or a new way of living or a new dimension. It feels uncomfortable. Right? It's growth feels hard. There's no way around it because your subconscious and your ego or saying hey, this is unfamiliar. Let's stay here where it is familiar. I'm afraid of that and that's where that hard energy comes in. Right? It's that resistance because we don't know what life will look like on the other side. I can't tell you how many women have blocks around success and Financial Freedom because they're actually afraid of what that response. Ability looks like you know, what does it look like to have Be A Millionaire every single year make a million dollars, you know how to spend and save that money properly. Do you know how to allocate funds, you know how to invest, you know how to pay staff or like all of that stuff feels really uncomfortable for people and so they push away the desire they actually want because they don't feel like it's safe to be at that level, you know for health and wellness, especially this comes up women who have experienced trauma women who have been victims of abuse women who have In unhealthy relationships before women who have had unhealthy patterns with their parents or with older adults, they start to protect themselves with wait and they put on this big Shield right this literally like a bubble of weight and then they try to be towards those goals. They try to work towards their health and wellness desires, but they're not doing the inner work on like why they're heavy or overweight or protected in the first place. And this is all the unblocking right? This is the unblocking and Side of transform success and guys if you're listening to this and you're like, yes, I want the manifestation the magnetic metaphysician process. I want the desired roadmap. I want the unblocking practice. I want the identity work all of that. You can I'm going to put a link in the show notes to transform success. You can get on the wait list for that program if you're interested and for now, I'd recommend going into that five-day boot camp transformation boot camp, which will get you activated and start to kick things off for you. So we need to look at the unblocking of all of these patterns. We need to look at not just why we want what we want and how beautiful it is. But also what did we do? And what did we experience in our past that made us this way when you want to let go of something right? If you want to let go of somebody in your life who's not serving you or you want to let go of a habit that's not serving you or you want to let go of an identity. That's Serving you being broke financially struggling, you know, I had this identity for a while that no matter how much I made it was never enough and I was so determined to break that pattern this year that literally within a week. I was able to correct that story through these practices and I'm sharing with you where I literally went one minute from you know, my husband freaking out being like how we gonna pay our taxes. Oh my God, like we're spending too much. This is so bad to the next week having 60 extra thousand dollars show up at our doorstep. It's this process. Once you become somebody who no longer tolerates the standard that you are living at you will raise your standard and your reality will change the world around you is literally dictated by your standard. So if you make these standards for yourself to say, hey, I can invest in myself. I don't have enough money. I'm not worthy of the time because I'm really busy. I can't prioritize my growth. Well, guess what? That is the reality that you are going to create. If you say you know what 20/20 is going to be the year that's different. I'm raising my standards. I'm deciding I'm going to be do and have it all I'm going to raise my vibration. I'm going to break this old pattern that I've been living with for years. Congratulations, you're right. Your reality will change so having the Clear Vision having the strategy on blocking the old stuff looking at all. Those old patterns on veiling all of that resistance that has created the current reality that you're in if you want to let go of it you need to understand it. You need to understand it. I was in the car the other day. I shared this on one of my Facebook lives. I was trying to figure out why whenever I have a And who starts to make more money than me. And this has been happening for years like all the way back in college when friends got better jobs than me. You know, I immediately went into this place. I was like, well, they won't want to be my friend anymore. I don't have any value to give them more for their more successful than me. Why would they want to stick around? I couldn't for the life of me figure out like why is this happening? And here's here's where I just want to share like the power of how your thoughts create your reality when I believe that I can't have friends who are more successful than me. What kind of rooms am I putting myself in rooms that restrict me or rooms that expand me. Hmm. Well if I believe I have a seat at the table and I believe that if there are people around me who are making tens of millions of dollars that I could still be friends with them and I still have something to give and and they still value me as a human. I can then have a seat at the table with the people who were going to show me the way guide me to the next step if you've ever Malik you're not worthy of Sisterhood. You're not worthy of friendship. You're not worthy of that girl that like you are obsessed with and like you want her to be your friend. Right guys. This is this is what I'm talking about. You feel like you're not good enough and for me I couldn't for the life of me understand for probably all of you know, maybe the wind this this winter. I was trying to figure out like well, why is this still a pattern like why is this coming up? So I walked myself through the transform success principles to really identify. Hey, let me unblock this. Let me unpack this like where does this come from and I was doing the hypnosis. I was doing the journal prompts and then I'm in my car and I have the biggest fucking break through. I'm like, oh my God, I know where this comes from. I can unblock this now. So a lot of the unblocking element and transform successes about routing back to those experiences that dictate your reality that you live in and for me, I grew up with my dad who was not very accepted and loved by his father and his brother my dad's brother. Who was very loved and accepted by my dad's father and so my dad and my brother my dad and his brother, you know, we would go to family dinners and we would sit the table my grandpa my hard-ass Italian Grandpa would spend the entire dinner conversation boasting about my Uncle Phillip how great he is. Look at him how successful he is Lauren you need to go into business because look at him. He is achieved all these great things. Right and my dad's just sitting there and I could feel my dad's hurt because I'm an empath I could feel and understand just how neglected he felt as a child. Now. What was really going on at the root of this was that my father has been a closeted gay man for quite his life and my grandfather kind of knew this and didn't accept my dad for this and it created a lot of tension and lack of love in their relationship. But as a kid, I have no freaking clue that this is going on right and so I'm watching this and I'm like, well my uncle is really successful and he has a lot of love and attention and affection from his father. Her and my dad is not as successful and he doesn't have as much attention and love and acceptance is his father. So there's my model of the world when I'm not successful at the top. I will not receive love and so I had this huge incredible breakthrough around this and recognized that it was time to let go of the story so part of the unblocking method in order to transform and be a successful person is to really go back and look at these patterns in these. Terms of like what has been blocking you another story I talked about for me. I grew up always making ends meet. Nobody taught me how to save money. I was racking up credit card debt. I had a really hard time letting money sit in the bank because I had some patterns and experiences of when money was in the bank it would disappear. Right how many of you guys hold on to that thousand dollars because you're like well something might happen right and and the minute that money goes up to ten or seven. Or something that's a little bit outside of your comfort zone. You feel the need to spend it because you don't know if it's always going to be around. This was a pattern. I really wanted to break. You know today. We keep a lot of money in our stock market. We have a beautiful Nest Egg. We're really financially responsible. We save all of our money for our taxes. We don't live on credit cards. I had to break my pattern so through this unblocking I was able to recognize the root of where these experiences came from what it taught. Me why it was a gift and then through the unblocking method inside of transform success. I can literally change that story. And so it's almost like this timeline work of the butterfly effect where you go back and you find the route you correct that old story and you can do this. If even if you're not in the transform success program this round will be open doors. You can simply ask where did this story come from? And is this actually really true because when we can identify the real truth of a story or a pattern we can to love it and let it go and part of the Journey of transforming into a successful person is becoming lighter and all of us are carrying these backpacks of rocks. We have these stories that were just holding onto years and years and years of stories and we got to unpack that shit because in order to be successful we need to be lighter. We need to be higher in vibration, right? You know how heavy you feel with those rocks in your backpack and you let them go and then you can rise up and be ahead of the game. And if you've ever seen anybody who's successful, they're always vibrating hi and ahead of the game like a real successful person. Not just somebody who makes a lot of money and is unhappy right? But a person who's really successful who you look at and you go. Yeah. I want to be that right. So transformation at its root is making a thorough dramatic change. And this can come in the form of appearance. This can come in the form of financial reality. This can come in the form of love. But transformation at the root is a dramatic change in form and we all have the ability to do that and success is the accomplishment of an aim or purpose. So can we transform and make that dramatic change to accomplish the goal of Being and doing and having it all and the answer is yes time and time again. The answer is yes, you just have to decide is in our moments of decision making that our destiny is shaped and we have a choice to decide that we can make the dramatic changes that we desire that we can accomplish the aim or the purpose or the dream or the goal. We can be do and have it all but the only thing we need to do first is decide. And then once we make that decision and we go through the process of creating that really Clear Vision, but that desire map we do the identity work. We do the unblocking practices those principles inside of the transform success program that next step is magnetic manifestation and my magnetic manifestation process has been super super fun for me lately. I have been calling in some really cool opportunities. I started mastering this method when I was Really young and I did again. Everything starts when we're young right? I remember I would get my one of my braces off right going back to that Legally Blond year. I really wanted my braces off. And so I went in I remember every single time to the orthodontist. I hope I can get my braces off today. I hope I can get my braces off today. I hope I can get my braces off today and there was one day and I'm not making this up guys. Like I vividly remember how different my emotional state was when I walked in the door. This one day I said today. I'm getting my braces off and the session before he had told me that probably wouldn't happen. But that day I just knew I had such confidence and certainty as if this is happening. This is fucking happening. I'm making it happen magnetic manifestation is about calling in the unexpected magnetic manifestation for me means receiving things without trying so hard. And it is, you know, a really important pillar of my transform success principles and that you're not doing it by yourself. It can feel so challenging to set these big goals for yourself, especially if you don't have family support or you feel like, you know, your siblings or your peers or your loved ones don't really get your goals and like they're questioning you and like what are you doing? Right? Like I hear that all the time from business women. They're like my spouse doesn't get it like my friends are like, what are you doing? You know, it's really be hard to be that magnetic manifestation Channel when you have relationships around you that like aren't being fully supportive. In fact, you know, one of the things that we've added inside of the transform success prop program is this whole entire bonus content that you guys will learn more about on how to fix this. So if you're having a hard time in calling in the support of family members or getting the loved ones to be on board with you that bonus will come out, you know later in a couple weeks and everybody who joins transform. access to that as well, but magnetic manifestation can feel hard when the people around you are saying no and they're chiming in and giving their opinion and feedback about like why your goals are silly or why you can't have this happen and what I like to look at in terms of transforming and being successful is this concept of divine intervention and there have been times where you know, just as an example as I'm recording this we are filling our membership the doors will be closed by the time The time we are this right we're filling Rising Sisterhood. The doors are open. If you want to come join us. It's a high-level Mastermind and I will show up every day to work towards that goal. Like my goal is to fill that I want all of the rising sisters in that program. I want all of our BB members inside of our membership and so I'll show up and I'll work but then I'll reach a point where I'm like, yeah, I'm tired. Right? Like I've I've given my all I've I've worked, you know a little bit more than I should have today. I need to take a break and I'll feel this like well, no, but you Have this goal. Right? Like come on Lauren like you could be working more divine intervention. I will literally say to the universe. Okay Universe I'm signing off. It's your turn almost like we have opposite shifts and I will let the universe come in and bring me the experiences and the transactions and the students that I am craving. So literally I woke up this morning and I had a new student inside of rising Sisterhood. I had another student come join the transform weekend program that live event without About me having to do anything because I've learned how to become a magnetic manifest. ER and the Magnetic manifestation practice is a concept as you go on your journey of creating success of learning how to be that channel and that receiver for other things that are beyond your awareness to have magic come through simple example of this. I was in Costa Rica and I surrendered to the Of ours and I did my magnetic manifestation practice and literally right after I was done I went into my phone and I noticed I had just received an invitation to go to this private event that I have been on the waitlist for for six months. I was so freaking excited. I couldn't wait but immediately I went to this place of well, that's a lot of money. I gotta spend and my husband I just had this really long talk about how we need to save more and be a little bit more frugal. All because we have some really big beautiful Investments that we're making and we need to be saving for those right being financially responsible. So here I am and I'm like, okay, I just manifested this opportunity like what the hell and I'm feeling all the Goosebumps. I'm having all the Vibes. I'm like, this is Magic this manifestation practice works. I'm so excited to share this with everybody and I have to jump in I have to jump into this program. There's no way around it and I reach out to my husband. I said look, Please trust me. Please have faith. Please surrender to this. I have this figured out and I know it's going to work just have faith and he's like more and I have come on how much Faith do I have to have? I've been having faith all year right like come on, but he knows now, right like in the process of me doing this work. I've been successful and I've reached these Milestones that he can you know, say I love you honey. Like let's do this. Okay, like we'll give it a shot. And so I sign up for this program and Within 24 hours, we received a check of 60 thousand dollars that was totally unexpected and out of the blue out of nowhere. And I mean I could cry thinking about this because when you decide to have faith in your dreams, the universe will give you opportunities to prove that to her and not proof from a space of like it prove it to me, right but the universe will literally show up and give you the Opportunity to take the action that says hey, I believe in this look. Hey, I believe in this look and I've done that, you know on my journey of Entrepreneurship when I've invested in coaches and I've tried to hit, you know new milestones in my business and I did it by myself first and then I would invest in a program I would invest in some teaching I would invest in a training and in my head when I was doing that I was saying see look I believe in my goal. See look, I believe in my goal. I actually I just signed up for a new gym membership and that Was me saying see you look Universe. I believe in my goal and putting money in it. You vote with your dollar and you prove to the universe with every money you spend right? So for me when I put that investment on that that event that I have been waiting for for a long time. I was literally showing the universe see look I surrender to this process see look I Believe In My Dreams see look, I trust you and when you start to do that, you're developing this really deep unseen unspoken. Relationship with Source where she can start to actually work through you and give you the experiences that you have been Desiring for almost all of your life. I did this for health and wellness, right losing 60 pounds getting rid of my addiction to alcohol. I surrendered that through the magnetic manifestation practice and everything got easier my way of life in achieving those goals did not feel hard it became effortless So for anybody who is trying with sure and strategy and step-by-step goal-setting and you come up short this element of magnetic manifestation is a game changer. It is about learning how to have faith in something outside of you. It is about surrendering to something greater than you it is about having faith ultimately and that can be cultivated at any given point and it will continue to be cultivated as you build your relationship with yourself. So overall, how do we transform into a Full person. Well number one we decide we decide that what we want is our destiny. We decide that we're deserving of it. We decide that we're meant for it. Number two, we create that really Clear Vision. We don't just set the financial goal or the numerical goal or the physical attainable thing. We incorporate the elements of feeling and emotion and vision and we tap into all of those things. What does it feel like what does it taste? Like, what does it sound like right when you're at that level we He ate it next we do the identity work. We look at who we are being. How can you achieve success? If you are not being a successful person. What is this successful person even do every day. How does she act? How does she hold herself? Does she roll out of bed and start her day or does she take her time set intention before she gets out of bed brushes her hair puts makeup on what does she do every day? It's different for everybody. But we look at that identity and then we unblock we To go back to the roots and the experiences in the old stories and we look at our patterns and the repetition of activity that we have in our day-to-day life and we say hey where did all of this come from? Am I ready to unblock? Am I ready to let go and then finally we incorporate magnetic manifestation where we surrender to something bigger than ourselves. We decide to take the messy scary unfamiliar action because we are safe and supported on that journey of being and doing doing and having it all and then we rinse and repeat and we continue to show up with those tests with those experiences with the unblocking with the identity work and we go deeper and deeper kind of like a circle right like a spinning Circle you go deeper and deeper and deeper into that true point where you get back to that essence of who you are meant to be and we strip away all the fear we strip away all the old story and we start to become the woman who has it all. So guys here's what I'm going to ask you to do today. Number one go sign up for transformation boot camp. The link is in the bio of the show notes. It is free can't miss a thing. There is no risk badass business babe.com boot camp that is a five day series and then second. I'd encourage you to journal today on what you learned get out your pen and paper take some notes, maybe paint the vision today of where you're going maybe spend some time in the unblocking element of looking at your past take one of these principles and really look at it and explore it in self-reflection. And then finally if you're feeling so called go check out the transform success group coaching program. The details are available on badass business pave.com. Our doors are not open. We have a limited amount of spots. So if you are like a hell, yeah steer transformation and how he has to your growth. I would really encourage you to go sit. With that sales page feel into it paint the vision any questions, you can always reach out on Instagram and I just want to thank you guys so much for listening. So if this episode is spoken to you, please let me know reach out on Instagram. My handle is badass business babe. It is always an honor to support and guide you on this journey of transforming your life and creating success. I'll see you on the next episode.

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Hello and welcome to science which with the podcast and I am your host Jetta. So today for the first time on our podcast. We have a medical student. So our guest today is apoorva and a puma is a medical student currently in her third year and she is here to share with us her journey so far. Today's episode is sponsored by Droid to noid draw it to know it helps you master medical and biological sciences through clean diagrams and clear explanations. Draw it to know it makes learning more efficient and engaging through drawings in a stepwise manner and narrated tutorials. You can also take quizzes and exams for quick review of key Concepts and also learn through flashcards and clinical correlation. Visit Roy to know it website today. I'm subscribe using our code SW has 25 to get 25% off on any subscription the link to the website and the code are available in the show notes. Hi apoorva. Thanks for joining. I sure can't thank you so much for having me on your podcast. So I have to tell you that I'm really very excited for this episode because it's the first time I'll be talking to medical students. So so far I have had people who are from different backgrounds, but no one had really studied medicine and I'm really very excited and looking forward to this episode we to her. I'm excited. So a pervert. Tell us more about yourself. Okay, so I'm a medical student like you said and I'm studying in George Young University in China. So it's in a city near Shanghai. It's called Hangzhou. I have been here for three years and my course is about 6 years old and I'm originally from India, but I used to live in Singapore before I moved here. Okay, so then you have been like out of India for like how many years now? Almost five six years. Yeah about five six years and then you completed your prior studies in India itself, or you did I study until 10th grade in India, and I did my last few months of 10th grade and 11th and 12th in Singapore. And after that I moved to China. Yeah. Okay. So what got you interested in medicine like did you always wanted to be a doctor? I've been interested in medicine. I could really really long time. So it's like school time. I never liked Matt. I was always like super interested in BIO. So like Stoli this interest for bird biology, like if you don't developed into an interest for medicine, so I did some job shadowing with some hospitals during my time in Singapore and I got to see some like really good clinical cases. So that kind of like really pushed me and you know motivated me to you know, finally go Medicine I'd already been working on my application around then but like, you know, just seeing some cases in hospital. He clearly made it like yeah, this is it. This is what you need to do. Yes, it's nice. So you always had it in you and you knew that you wanted to do somewhere something in the field of medicine. Yes. So but then back then in India when you were still in India's be there you come across people who influenced your decision on pursuing my dad. Listen, or they really pushed you hard or give you an option which is just do mbbs because you know, that's the thing in India at least medicine and getting other first options for people that is true in India so much. Like there was never any pressure from my family to either pursue medicine or engineering but like it was just like an interest or if like all the subjects that I studied I liked but the most and in school I used Do you like best in BIO since the beginning? So I always thought that I want to do, you know continued somewhere where I know I can perform. Well. Yes, I can imagine and it's always good to pursue what you like to with the subjective like then you can always do good in that. Yes, so it's maybe it's too early to ask but like have you decided which field you would like to specialize in after your mbbs? And we this is the day I've always wanted to go into Neurosurgery, but like at this moment, it feels I'm not super sure about it. But I'm hoping when I have my rounds are like not sign or my rounds my internship here is I would have like a better idea about what I want to really specialize in. Yeah. I mean, yeah I can imagine you are still in your third year and you have to explore a lot yet. So why did you choose to do your studies in China are like there any specific academic advantages? Self studying medicine in China. Okay. So when I started my medical school application, my first option was UK. I was also applying to India and I was China was actually my backup plan. So when I apply to you, okay, I got into university called University of East Anglia and I wrote my entrance exams in India, but like the fees for UK seemed like a bit too expensive for me because like to study for five years and Okay so much it just you know, you seem like a very doable thing for me. So China then my next two options will China or India? So with China advantage that I thought was present is that first of all, there is not much ragging in China. I mean, not much actually it is zero dragging in China compared to India, which I'm sure you know, there's a lot of dragging and then and point to consider true definitely safety is very important then other than that we have Really good infrastructure here. There are very good like universities. My university is very very big. It's really huge. Like I have a small bike that I have to write to get from one end to the other end of the university and on top of that there's a lot of research opportunities in this University as far as I know. India doesn't really focus so much on the search like certain universities, but like over here my University produces a lot a lot of research papers every year and at the same time It is quite affordable christening in a private Medical College in India is as good as studying in UK. It's about the same price and getting into German College is very very very competitive. I do not want to waste like two three years trying to write an entrance exam and clear it. So like overall I felt like China was the best option for me. Cheers. And I mean, yeah, like I totally agree that in India, there is a lot of competition and the number of good quality is formed. Listen at least government colleges are very few. So there's a lot of competition here. So but how does m the medicine thing work in China? So is it seemed like the mbbs degree which we get in India and how for how many years do you have to study? Yeah, it's the same degree, mbbs Bachelor of medicine Bachelor of surgery. It is different from what they do in us, but like in the end we are all doctors. This is a six-year course where the Here is basic sciences. And then from second are 260 or we have like medical sciences and we have our internship years. So it's structure is very similar to India where we first have the theory and then we have the internship years in the end. Whereas in u.s. It's like a kind of a mix of both and especially in UK. It's kind of a mix of put because like UK medical students have internships not internships actually basically like time in the hospital like since the beginning when I was over here. In China, it's almost the same as India. So we have two to three years of medical sciences. And then my last one and a half year is internship. Okay, so it's similar in that way. And then also you can do your specialization after your mbbs. Yes. Okay. So it's also for two years just like in India, so I did so what is the special? It depends on what you want to spend? Specialize in so like if you graduate from a Chinese medical like from China, then you have to write an exam to study continue studying or like do your internship in India like your job. So as of now, it's called the SMG if I'm not wrong. So it's like a foreign medical graduate exam and you have to clear that before you can work in a hospital in India. If you want to work abroad for example in u.s. Then you have to clear USMLE if you want to work in UK, you have to clear P labs. So after you clear it, then you can choose like a residency program and based on what you want to specialize in. It can be like two years or it can even be seven years. Okay, that's long. Yeah quite long. So it's basically if you want to live you study in one country, but you want to continue your further studies in a different country. You always have to give this exam do yeah. Okay. We're going to continue with enjoying you have to An exam but the thing is as far as I know that the exam that you have to write is incomplete Chinese. So if you are able to, you know develop your Chinese to that level by the time you graduate then you're definitely this is an option for you. Okay, it's good. Yeah, and then I you learning Chinese then. Well, I am it's actually come today to study Chinese when you are studying here. Okay, I don't know about other person's but like for me especially because we have internship years which will be done in the Chinese hospitals. So all of our patients will be speaking Chinese. So by the time our internship your start we have to pass this exam called hsk for which is like I else or TOEFL which Like the English language exam so it's very similar to that. And we also have a speaking test which is called H SK K. So the university gave us glasses from first here to second year for the hsk poor and then in our third year, we will have half a semester of medical Chinese. Okay, so it's good that the university is organizing this so you learn it. Yeah, I think all universities in China provide you with Chinese classes. So are you enjoying learning Chinese so far? But yeah, it's actually not so bad because like whenever anyone here signing is they're like, oh my God, this must be so hard, but I think it's very doable. Like you can learn Chinese and because over here you're forced to learn Chinese like there's no option like for you know, if I speak to this person, maybe they'll reply in English. We probably won't so, you know to survive you have to speak whatever tiny 0 so it definitely She hopes. Yeah, but then do people that understand English or do they speak English nowadays quite a lot of people do like in Shanghai when you go to Shanghai, there will be a lot of people who speak English in certain parts of Hangzhou. You might find people who don't speak English at all. And generally you will find people who don't speak English at all, but like on campus Because we all like University students quite a lot of University students nowadays, too. Speak English. So but then I learning Chinese was not a requirement when you applied for your studies in China. Yeah, so when you apply to University, they don't require you to pass any language exams when you only when you come here the teach you and ask you to pass me some so we know about the basic language has exams. We have to give like TOEFL NIH but as far as I have heard I have heard I know that if you want to stay. In Germany, then you should know German at least you should know a and a two levels. So that was not the requirement when you have to apply in China. So it's good. I think that is because my course is taught in English. I do not know anything about the course because there are engineering courses that are taught in Chinese culture open to International students. So I don't know what the acquirements called those are but generally mbbs throughout China, which is taught in English. They don't ask Chinese beforehand. Okay, and how about the writing in are you able to now write in the language or you can just speak they do we teach the teachers had to read write speak like mint and language. It must be so different but then writing like we have been used to write English and now you have to It is it is a bit challenging in the beginning, but then you know, you just have to do it. There's no running away from it. So yes. So did you have to give any additional exams for studying mbbs making nuclear some entrances? So was there any requirement for studying medicine in China? No, you just had to give in your like high school scores and if you you know, if your high school education was not in English, then I think you have to submit your aisles or TOEFL scores. So I applied to this University through an agent so they collected all my information and the summit. To the university, but you can also apply through this portal call it school cares. It's like see you Cas. It's like you you cares. So you castles like the UK application system and we have something called as cool cast. That's what everybody calls it. So you just have to submit your high school scores if you need to submit to English-speaking scores. Yeah, it's quite simple and straightforward actually. Okay. Yeah, maybe I can also put in the link. For description so that if anyone wants to study or apply for the mbbs in China, they can go through the link. So apoorva, what were your major challenges as a medical student? Okay. So because I was studying in China. My major challenge was Chinese in the beginning, but after that, I think it's the amount of coursework that you need to understand before, you know, the next semester starts. It all seems a bit rushed. I mean, I'm sure they're not rushing it but it feels rushed to me because you know, there's just so much content and there's Never going to be enough time to fully understand and memorize all of this content. So even like weekends don't feel like we can you just have to study every day. And you know, we never study like this in high school like who studied every day in high school. So it was like a big change from Universe telling every other day to having to study every single day. Yeah. Yes, and I can imagine the vast syllabus do that. You have to cover in such a short time. You are truly can't escape studying everyday if you don't then pile of every yeah, definitely it happens like all the time if you Skip One and you're studying then you're like, oh no today. I have to do two days while studying so it's quite agree. So what are the challenges did you face as an international student in China as an international student? I feel like Firstly people will constantly question. Why are you studying in China? And even if they do and even if it seems like oh, you know after I study in China, there might not be a lot of opportunities for me in the end. I don't think that's true because what happens to you after you finish, you know University here depends on your actions. If you put in the effort to pass your licensing exams, then you will make it. So just because everyone says go most people don't make it doesn't mean you also won't make it and even if people look down upon you I mean, they don't know what your situation here is they like people in India might be like, oh my God, you're studying in China, but they don't know like how good the infrastructure here is what kind of research opportunities you have here. So whenever people give you their opinion, but what you are studying, you must always remember that you are the one who like, you know knows your own situation the best Just people looking from outside judging what you are doing. So you must believe in your own decisions to you know, study here and like not give up. Jeez. I totally completely agree with you or for you on this point because yes many times people have a perception and then they judge you and then you start feeling that. Oh, is it not good enough or am I not doing good enough panel at that moment. You really need to believe otherwise then everything gets devastated and you should know that you can do it and you chose to do it. So it's very important to believe and to add to that. I feel like living away from home is also like a major factor because over here like food can sometimes be an issue if you're especially like a vegetarian but like even if it's like, oh, you know missing home missing food. You must remember that it's just six years you can get through these six years and then you can go back home or no eat your food. Everyone has to struggle to get where they want. So must you know, Never give up. So but you said about this thing? So did you also face such questions major questions or perceptions from people that you are studying in China and in a negative way, you know constantly, I feel like Kevin might do sometimes I like. Oh when I actually first told everyone that oh, yeah. I think I'm going to go to China. They're like, oh no she went to China create. What are you doing? So there's always going to be those like negative perceptions and their work. Quite a like there was this major point when I was like, oh my God, maybe this was not the right decision and maybe I should quit and you know drop medicine and do something else but I just realized I wouldn't belong anywhere else because when I was like, oh if I drop out then what do I study next? I couldn't figure anything out. Like I didn't want to study anything other than medicine. So at this point, I feel like this was the best situation for me. So I had to continue even if people you know, Honestly think it's it's China or Iran all those negative opinions. But yeah, I think it's this perception about China that we at least Indians have and we consider it as not good enough and option but we really like you said don't know deep down what the situation is or how good opportunities. They also have to offer and it's not just a perk China I can share it with you. That when I decided to study in the Netherlands people were like why not the lands and why not us. So I think it's just so about us and India that every other student wants to go and pursue their studies in us and we are not open to other opportunities and if we are not open that still okay, but we don't even care and bother to stop and listen and check out like what other countries have to offer so I can totally understand what you're saying. Yes, but it can get very very demotivating. Sometimes so how did you deal with this such negativity from people or such perceptions? I actually when I felt like dropping out especially because of you know, actually one of my close friends dropped out of University because she felt like there were not enough opportunities after you know, we graduate from here and I'd like really hit me hard because I was like, oh my God, I have to drop out I can't Stay here anymore. But like when I felt so like depressed and like unsure of what I'm doing right now. I spoke to a lot of people before I made my decision. So I spoke to my parents who immediately like Paladin were like, oh my God, you cannot drop out. What are you doing? Oh my God. Hey, then I spoke to my older cousin brother who is also who studied medicine and just graduated this year. He started in my nipple. So he was like, well, you know you if you keep going I'm sure you can make it. So in the Honestly, I feel like it was believed that even if some people could not do it doesn't mean you also cannot do it. Whatever you reap is what you saw. So if you put in the effort, you will get the results you want. So just because there are no examples for you to see that. Oh, you know somebody from my school did pumps USMLE and get into u.s. It is a bit demotivating it is a bit like, you know, oh my God, can I do it, but you have to continue it's like either this or you do something. That's completely unrelated to this. So you have to understand like I you truly passionate about my medicine, you know pursuing this. Yes, I can imagine also Medi-Cal feel is so demanding and stressful and then you have to deal with all of this post your step. He said it can be very depressing suit. She's but I think you're doing great and I wish you all good luck and just believe in yourself like you. You hadn't right now because I can feel that you have made up your mind and you will do it very well when you get go through. This is just a matter of three years from now. Yeah, thank you so much for your time. Honestly believe all of us have that one like really deep down thing like, oh, no, everything's going downhill. Everything's just going to end now but you must know just come up from it. And then even if I mean for me, I felt like I wanted to continue medicine but there might be people who, you know want to quit. And don't want to pursue medicine and that is also totally okay. If you feel like you would be happier in some other field or produ better in some other field and you should definitely go for it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So medical is definitely not easy we know and it's very demanding and challenging. So how do you manage your time and your studies along with other activities, which you have to do every day. Okay, honestly. So like in an Ideal World, I would be studying like seven eight hours every day, but honestly, it is hard to motivate myself to study when there are no exams coming up which is like right now. So I study about 3 to 4 hours every day after my classes, but during my exams I study for 12 to 14 hours. And I know this is hard like a healthy balance or anything but this is like a system that usually works for me. So I would suggest it is You know best to study every day after your classes, especially because you know, you're still in the mood you're still in that flow. So if you like take a break like a big break after your classes, it's hard to get back into studying. And yeah, usually I started 45 hours. I am weekends. I tend to study a bit more about six hours seven hours and yeah doing something support 10 to 12 hours or something like that. Yeah, so you have lectures every day. I don't have lectures every day right now. So my timetable changes every semester as of now like this semester. I have Thursday's off. So like on Thursdays I usually go out to study in the morning and then I study at like I go out around 10 o'clock and then I come back at six o'clock seven o'clock. So I have like a full day of studying and usually my classes aren't that long? It's like around eight o'clock to twelve o'clock or some classes are nine o'clock to 340. So it's not super. Long compared to a India some classes go on like from 8 a.m. To 5 p.m. So I'm really don't have anything like that in this semester at least. Yeah. Yeah, because I knew some of my friends in India who were studying medicine and they had like you said very long hours of lectures and then at the end they didn't have much time for self study. So it's very difficult to balance your studies other stuff means so apoorva have seen your Instagram profile and it's really very nice. Nice, I really like it and you shared some amazing note taking techniques and also some tips for medical students on Instagram. So how did you get into science communication? Thanks a lot for that. We're seeing you like my account because I put a lot of effort. So in the beginning I used to follow a lot of study accounts from my personal account. So I would regularly see them and I like to take notes and like highlight text books. So I would take pictures and post them on my personal account. But like eventually I decided you know, I turned can just start a studies account which is focused on what I'm doing right now because I thought like this would help me share my story because I honestly haven't seen many Instagram accounts which are of medical students in China. So I thought like by doing this I give like a voice to everyone standing here and an opportunity for people who are thinking of pursuing medicine like you know, China is Don't option because Chinese universities up quite highly ranked. So it was like, you know to motivate myself and at the same time to show people what my life here is like and at the same time. I feel like this study Community has kind of given me a lot of resources like for my own studying so I see certain accounts online and I'm like, oh, wow, I did not know about this USMLE resource. Now, I have you know this extra resource that I can use and then I also meet people Like you, you know, I wouldn't have met you if I hadn't started this account and I get to you know, talk to different kind of people who are doing different courses and like a broader and standing so yeah here I think this is a very good use of social media and good way to connect with you. Like I said, I wouldn't have found you because I found you you because of your note taking techniques, you know, I was looking for digital note-taking and studying and that's how I came across your account and I really I did and then I thought oh, she's doing great. And we need to have her on our podcast. So I just ask you but and it is really very nice account and I am truly inspired by your those pictures with you share and the way you take notes so much. Thank you. I really appreciate I actually wanted to digital note-taking through certain accounts. Like I used to follow this account called just be studying and like many studies and I used to deceive and I was like, wow the user an iPad in the Life Is So efficient in the you know, yeah, I started using like digital no teams is so cool. And I was like, I need to get an iPad to get into this and like it really changed the way I study. It has made it so much more efficient. Yeah. Yes. I think I was more of a student who preferred writing notes are used unlike on paper notes, and now I have also shifted to digital note taking and I think it's very easy to manage things. Now you always have And notes with you everywhere you go. Yeah, it's nice. Yes, but I really appreciate your effort and thought into this also that because many people are not aware and then you have taken a step so that people know more about studying in China and I think it's very nice of you to do that. So, do you have any tips and advice for young people who are interested in your career path or also for anyone who is interested in studying medicine in China? Or for that matter a just studying medicine abroad. So I feel like you should do this. If you are sure that you want to do this because it's not like a real short time commitment. Once you go into this, it's like a lifetime of studying and constantly giving in a lot of time and effort into your profession and course not like I'm saying that other coaches and professions don't have this much work, but I feel like Medicine really pulls out a lot of energy and like it requires a lot of her time so there will be an art stresses in your life. There will be a lot of times where you'd feel like giving up but you must pursue this the queue be like, yes, I can bring myself back up. I am capable of doing this and at the same time I know a lot of people say that medicine is very very hard and it is very very hard, but it is not something that you cannot do everyone actually anyone who wants to put in. Effort and believes they can, you know work hard can pursue medicine and can become a really good doctor. So just don't let the medicine is very hard medicine is like a lifetime commitment to pull you back from pursuing it if you really want to do it like in the end. It should be your passion like you should have this or nothing else. It should be like that. If you really want to you know study medicine because studying abroad is the commitment of time money and like, you know, Who sacrificed a lot of things so you should just do it only if you really want to do it. Yeah. Also, I think when you become a doctor you are dealing with the life and it's a matter of someone's life and death. So yes, it's a lot of commitment and you have to be really very passionate about doing that so that you just do it in the best possible way because if you have to save people's life, let it's not a pressure. It's something that should come from you from inside you that you can go through it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's like if you're not doing your best and if you're not giving your hundred percent you will you know risking somebody's life. So like the beginning of med school to the very end of your career. You just have to give any a hundred percent all the time. Yes. So approval when you're not studying. What do you like to do? Are you into any sports? I'm not sporty at all. I'm actually super and athletic and very physically weak. I I like watching TV shows. I don't know if it counts as a hobby, but I really like to watch TV shows and I like to read books whenever I'm free. Yeah, and it book sorry any favorite book currently reading or my conscience. I was reading the when bread becomes are that was the last book? This reading have you heard of it. It's like this book by Doctor Who was diagnosed with cancer and it's like his story through how you know, he had to deal with it's actually quite interesting. Other than that. Yeah, because sometimes because of my course I don't have enough time to read so I just watch TV shows like, you know while I'm eating dinner when I'm eating lunch and like I go out with my friends a lot. Yeah. I like to go out. I don't study everyday like Evan honestly because that's what some people being like medical student to always start again. Honestly, I feel like I go out more than I study like I would just go out to some place to study maybe or like go out just for dinner go out for lunch. So it is so necessary to take a break from your study because otherwise you completely drain yourself out. Oh, yeah. I definitely take some time out to chill between studying. Yeah. So any favorite TV shows or do you watch any series on Netflix? Yeah, I have actually finished our series recently. I'm currently watch Game of Thrones. I'm on season five and I finish watching Rick and Morty recently and I watched big mouth. I don't know I watch a lot of shows these Game of Thrones and drink and party. It's fun. Have you seen Rick and Morty? Yes. I love you, too. I think my favorite cartoon show. It's amazing. So I have a very cliche question for you. But Chinese food or Indian food whole definitely Indian food. Oh my God, I miss home food so much. I'm not even a good like cook or anything. I'm not very like gifted and cooking like my mom's really good at cooking but I am not so good. So like I really really miss home food. There are a couple of Indian restaurants in my city and there's one like really near my universe Tina. Well, you know, it's not the same as home food, right? Not yeah, so I have a question for you. I know you always wanted to be into this and you always wanted to be a doctor, but if not, then what other career you think you would have chosen or you would like to pursue other than medicine so nice. I really like this question. Oh my God, it's not medicine. I thought about becoming a writer because I really love reading and sometimes I like to write. Each other I also thought I considered fashion designing for a while. But when I do my Indian parents that I want to do fashion designing they were like, okay, that's right. That's the way yeah, and I cleared you like holding management like managing stuff. But yeah again, you know in France like wait what? Yeah, so yeah, but it's like very diverse from any are so many options in Yo, and that's nice. Yeah me neither. On this tour of myself to be a bit of a creative person but in the end I was like, you know medicine and my parents never pressurized me to do medicine. My parents were actually against it. They're like, oh no don't do medicine. It's like, you know a really long commitment. It's going to take a while. Why don't you do engineering instead? I was like, I don't even know and I will do medicine then. This is a very good thing because most of the time it's the parents. Who influence the decision of their kids to pursue medicine, but it's good that you didn't happen. So are there any three people with whom you would like to go for dinner? Any famous personalities may they may be movie actors or writers or any other person whom you would like to go on a dinner with like those famous personalities. Hmm. Okay. I want to go to dinner with just three people you can see movement. I really like Chris Pine. Okay. Yes, Captain America and had Twitter. Yeah, I mean I know they're all actors. But like I would really like to meet all of these people. Yeah, I actually do like Bella Hadid that are too I mean, I know this is like a science the podcast but like these are to focus your other side and just to tell Tell everyone that researchers medicine students also have a life and we are not geeky students and we do some other stuff. We will sort of exciting stuff online. So this doesn't have to be focused on signs. Because it is there anything else you would like to add some tips anything to do and mistakes to avoid for our listeners come in. This is not just for my license during this is for like anybody who is pursuing anything. Like if you believe that you can do well in what you are doing and if you feel like you're capable of putting in the effort and getting the results you want. You should really go on no matter what anyone sees. Yeah if this is what your dream is because in the end when you're like The world you should be doing what you want to do. I will then, you know, just getting through life. Yeah, I think this is very important. Thank you so much for joining us apoorva and for sharing your journey so far. It was really a pleasure talking to you. I'm sure listening to this episodes and the tips you shared about studying medicine notes taking and also science communication will help our listeners and you are truly an inspiration for them. Also. Thank you so much for clearing. So many myths about About studying in China, and I wish you good luck for your studies and thank you for joining. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you.

In this episode of "Science with Shweta" podcast, I speak with Apoorva Sinha, you may know her as @appystudiesmed on Instagram. Apoorva is a third year Medical student at Zhejiang University, China. She talks about her love for studying medicine, shares why she chose to study MBBS/Medical in China and also bursts some myths about education in China. Apoorva gives some great tips to those who are aiming to pursue MBBS/Medicine, How & Where to apply and the exams required. She shares her journey so far, the challenges she face and how she overcomes them. She also talk on how she manages her time, and how she got in to science communication and study community on Instagram. Listen to this amazing conversation with Apoorva. It was my first interview with a medical student and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did!! Sponsored By- drawittoknowit.com USE CODE- SWS25 to avail 25% Discount On Any Subscriptions "Draw it to Know it, Medical & Biological Sciences harnesses the power of drawing in step-wise, narrated tutorials that make learning more efficient and more engaging. Every tutorial is supplemented with quizzes, flashcards, and clinical correlations. Sign up for a Free Trial and see why students across the globe rely on Draw it to Know it!" ---------- Instagram - instagram.com/sciencewithshweta Twitter- twitter.com/sciencewshweta I also have a Youtube Channel (Shweta Mahajan)  https://www.youtube.com/shwetamahajansws

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I know I have Everyone knows you but it's always good to get a very, you know, historical perspective of your career and and we go from there. Okay, very good. Well briefly. I was born and raised on a mixed Farm in Southern Ontario and Canada and back in those days Farms were very very mixed. And so we had dairy cattle and chickens and bakes and crops and so on but gradually over time we got rid of the chickens. We got rid of the dairy cows and every time we got rid of something we added more Pig. So ultimately it became specialized specialty Farm like a lot of Iowa Farms pigs and crops. I got my bachelor's and master's degrees the University of Guelph. I went to work an extension for three years in Canada. And then I worked in the feed industry for four years and then I went back and did my PhD at Cornell so I've been out for about seven and a half years. So I'm one of those people People Marcio that beliefs that you don't have to do your bachelor's Master's PhD all at once you can do one or two of those degrees and go back and do a PhD later on if you really want to and I can tell you I was scared spitless when I first went into class because I'd been away for so long and most of the students were going straight through but it all worked out and I brought with me a lot of Industry experience. So I got a lot of a lot more out of my PhD and I might have otherwise I moved to Saskatoon 1987 join purse wine Center, and I was there for 21 years and for those not familiar purse wine Center was a an applied research and Technology transfer organization focused on the pig industry largely in western Canada, but really on a global basis and then after 21 years of Bruce Wayne Center, I moved down to here to Ames and I've been on faculty at Iowa State University for 11 years now. Wow time flies. It sure does Marcy. Oh, very nice appreciate that. And so to get into our topic. So good portion of our audience are not trying to tradition is Joan. Can you explain why dietary energy is such an important decision. Yeah. Well, it is really important Marcio and and it's important for a number of reasons first off dietary energy is Is really the most expensive component of the Daya. So if you get dietary energy, right you can keep your costs as low as possible. But if you get your energy wrong, you can affect performance in a negative way or you can affect net income in a negative way. So just as an example to give a perspective on that when we're formulating diets, it's really hard to say. Well, you know, if a diet is $200 a ton. This is how much of that cost was energy. But if you formulate a diet a fully balanced diet, but you just put the energy spec into the computer and ignore amino acids and vitamins and minerals and everything else. So just meeting that energy spec and then you come back after that and then you add in the amino acids and vitamins and minerals and everything else. Just meeting the energy spec represents about 85% scent of the total final cost of that diet now just to be clear that doesn't mean that energy represents 85% of the cost of the diet because when you meet the energy requirement you're bringing in some protein and amino acids, of course, right but it just shows that setting that energy level can have a big impact on the cost of that diet. So economics is is very very big part of it. The second is that energy affects performance. So much too much energy and your carcasses are not good quality and not enough energy and your pigs don't grow very well. And and so it can affect energy level in the diet will affect rate of gain. It'll affect feed efficiency. It will return excuse me. It will rep effect return over feed cost return over feed cost per Pig place. It can affect carcass you milk production in the south. So it affects so many aspects of production. So we got to make sure we get that right and so fundamentally Marcio if if somebody is complaining about poor performance in their Barn there can be many causes of that but one of the first things that we would look at would be the energy level of the diet, very nice. Yes such important decision there and so we can step back a little bit doc. Dr. Patients and would you walk us through a brief history of the understanding of dietary energy in swine production over the last several decades? Yeah. Yeah. That's it was an interesting. That's an interesting question Marcio and and and I tried to put it in chronological order, but the first step is really to measure energy. How do we measure energy and we do that in an German called a calorimeter and for people not familiar with that. What it is is it's an instrument in the laboratory that you take a small sample of feed or an ingredient and you put it inside the instrument which is heavily sealed and then you put oxygen into the instrument with the feed sample and you ignite it and it burns that literally explodes and it burns all that sample. And so that tells you how much Energy is present. So what we're really saying is that when we measure energy and feed its measured in the same way as we would measure the amount of heat that's generated by a bonfire or in a furnace. It's the same way of measuring energy. And that's one of the joys of studying energy. It's a universal language, but that was that was the first step we obviously before we could I'd do anything else with energy we had to have a good understanding of how to measure it and we had to be able to measure it precisely and the joy of measuring energy in a calorimeter is we can be very very precise the variation in that measurement is well in our lab will do a repeat if we're out by more than one and a half percent when we do duplicates, so it's a very Very precise measurement which is really important to us. So so that's step number one and then step number two was to determine what we measure how much energy is in that sample of corn or soybean meal or in a complete diet, but how much of that can be utilized by the pig because it's not all digested. And so now we have to do digestibility studies and we measure how much energy the piggies. It's we measure how much energy the pig looses in the feces and by difference then we say that's the energy that's digestible to the pig and therefore at least potentially available to be used by the pig for productive purposes. So that's what we call then digestible energy. Well then Along Came metabolizable energy where we in in addition to sampling the feces. We also sampled. All the urine to see how much energy is lost in the urine and that gives us then metabolizable energy. So that was a very important step in terms of how much energy in the diet can be utilized by the pig and I'm I'm going to come back to that a little bit in a few minutes, but the next real step chronologically was to determine how much energy the pig requires so we started out with how much energy is in the feed then how much of that energy Use available to the pig is digestible and metabolizable. And now we're at the third step of how much energy does this pig require and if we look at it Marcio and break it down to simplify the question. We know that energy is used for maintenance sort of to keep the pigs motor running. So that's the heart the lungs the kidneys the intestinal tract and so on then there's the energy that's required. Wired for lean gain plus the energy that's required to lay down fat in the carcass. So if we add those three together, then that's the amount of energy that's required by the pig to grow now a couple of things that I find kind of interesting about this maintenance energy. If we measure how much energy that of the energy that the pig consumes how much actually goes to to run the motor to keep Pig alive on a day-to-day basis and it's about 25 to 30 percent which is a fair chunk of energy that that big consumes when I ask students before they had a chance to study this I say what what percentage of energy do you think is required for maintenance and typically the gases will be you know, 10% or 15% The other thing that's kind of interesting is if we look at the amount of Lysine I'm that the pig consumes and What proportion of the lysine that the pig consumes that used for maintenance? It's also about 25 to 30 percent. So interesting coincidence and the other number that I find interesting is I had a student measure this a number of years ago that if a pig is sick and we're stimulating that immune system now in this case, this was a very Severe stimulation of the immune system, but it increased maintenance energy requirement by between 25 and 27 percent. So the cost of disease is very expensive in maintenance terms combined with the fact that many diseases not all but many diseases suppress feed intake. So you have a situation where the pig is. Needing more energy to maintain itself, but it's eating less energy. And therefore it's not surprising then that the pig doesn't grow very well because there's a lot less energy available for protein gain and lipid gain. So that's the the that kind of gives you a bit of an idea the amount of energy the pig consumes per day that's used for lean gain is only about 20 to 25 percent and the rest of it goes to lipid gay. So that's how it kind of breaks down and now we get to a more complicated part of energy we get to almost to today Marcio and that is that the energy that the pig consumes we've got to the point where we know how much is digestible. We know how much of that digestible and metabolizable energy the Pig needs, but now of the Either it's absorbed. What proportion is actually available for these other purposes and this is where it gets much more complicated and this is why we move from metabolizable energy to net energy because some components of the diet are expensive to use and some are not very expensive to you. So for example starch corn has a lot of starch in it and starches use quite efficiently by the pick the cost the metabolic cost the amount of energy It's needed to convert starch into a form that can be used as a source of energy in the body. The that cost is very low so starch has a very efficient source of energy, but if we're talking about protein or Fiber, there's a high energetic cost to convert that to a usable form in the body. We call this heat increment and fiber and protein are not Used very efficiently. So now we have an understanding that even when we measure digestible energy or metabolizable energy. We're missing this final step and that is the heat increment and that's why we move to the net Energy System and we'll come back to talk about that a little bit later, but maybe right now all we can say is that when we want to set this Optimum Of energy in the diet of the pig if we're setting up a new barn or as a consultant. We're reviewing a feeding program. There's many factors that influence the level of energy we want to put in this diet. There's the genetic the pigs genetic capacity for growth. Obviously, there's the innate capacity for feed intake and as we know some genetics have bigger appetites than others and so with the pig has a Smaller appetite we have to make a more concentrated feed higher in energy. So the pig can meet its energy requirement by eating less feed. But if the pig has a big appetite and we don't have to feed such a high energy diet. There's the health of the animal like I already related to that and the effect that can have on health. There's the environment in which the pig lives. So for example, if it's hot Over raising pigs down there and Tampa Florida Marcio. We've got highly you know concentrated feed because that pig is not going to eat a lot of feed down there when it's nice and warm for you but really hot for the Peg and that gets down to economics where we set that then the final thing is is really comes down to economics and it's the target growth for that barn and if we're short on space we're going to Feed a higher energy diet if we can afford to you know always depends on on the cost of doing this but if we're short on space we're going to want to feed a higher energy diet to help those pigs grow fast. So we sell the largest possible carcass when those pigs have to go to market when we have to empty that barn but if we're log on space and we can take you a week or 10 days or even longer to get those pigs to market then we can afford to feed a lower energy. Diet, which is typically going to be a lot cheaper because growth rate isn't so important is not so valuable anymore and we can feed the pig a lower energy diet and maximize net income that way. So as you can see there's there's a lot of factors go into setting that energy level. Yes. That's amazing. Thanks for our for going through that Joe as we sit here today John what time? Are we at the end of the tunnel or is there more things to learn about energy? Yeah, I I think the the the tunnel as you I like that analogy to Marshall and yeah, I think there's still a fair bit of tunnel in front of us because there's there's there's a number of things we still have to to learn and one of them. I think many many nutritionists have switched over to the net Energy System and so a higher proportion of the pigs in the u.s. Now, we're fed diets based on the net Energy System as compared to the metabolizable energy or the modified a me system that was used previously, but they're still still some nutritionists who were reluctant to switch to me2 any excuse me, and that's partly because of the lack of confidence in the net energy value that that they feel they have for the ingredients. They're using and of course, as you know, Marcio was a nutritionist if you don't have confidence in your nutrients backs, then it's really really hard to formulate a diet and have confidence in the results because fundamentally is nutritionist our overall goal. Is to feed a diet to achieve a predictable or expected outcome and if we don't have good net energy values or people feel we don't have good net energy values then they're going to be reluctant to make that move because they're not confident. They'll get that predictable performance. So I think we're we need to have more more research done to develop those net energy values. It's much more complicated to develop net energy. Values than a me or modified enemy or de we can do it through a system called indirect calorimetry and that's a system, you know in the US were actually quite behind the Europeans and the end the Chinese for example in our access to our indirect calorimeters, and dr. Stein University of Illinois is just firing. His units the best of my knowledge those will be the only units in the United States being used for swine. And you know Marcio in the in South America. Does anybody use indirect calorimetry? Are you aware? I'm not aware, but I don't know for sure. Yeah, I haven't heard of any and I haven't seen any thing come out that would suggest they are but but anyhow indirect calorimetry allows you to measure quite precisely the net. Energy content of ingredients and and so we will be getting more data in the future out of dr. Stein's lab, but you can also do growth titrations and indeed many people developed their Emmy values and their modified Emmy values by doing what we would call a titration where you would set a standard diet and you would add your test ingredients. in increments to two or three levels at what you believed was the correct energy value and then you would feed the pig for a period of four weeks or five weeks long enough to get good performance data, but not too long because that pig changes carcass composition and that's going to mess up the measurement and if if the feed efficiency stays constant across those three or four levels of ingredients, And then you know that your energy value is correct, right and if the feed conversion changes as you increase this ingredient, then you know your feed efficiency your your excuse me, your energy value is incorrect. And so I know there are people who are doing that kind of work to develop energy values to confirm energy values and I believe that's that's going to come along. But you know when you really get down to it Marcio we can if we have a good any value we can estimate any fairly well and so we can limit the amount of work that needs to be done use doing titrations or indirect calorimetry to come up with these values. We can we can estimate it reasonably well, so so there's those three ways that we can Come up with better than energy values that energy has the advantage has two advantages. Theoretically. The one advantage is very modest in my opinion at least and that is get a more predictable performance outcome with net energy than with even modified Emmy, but that Advantage is relatively small, you know, a few percentage points the real advantage of net energy. Is assigning better economic value to ingredients. That's where the significant dollars come in because we tend to overvalue high protein high fiber ingredients when we use Emmy or modified Emmy, and we tend to underestimate the value of ingredients that are high in starch and especially those that are high in fat. So that's the advantage of the net Energy System. That's why companies and nutritionists have switched over to any in order to improve the economy. But if I may looking at that tunnel and light way down at the end, I really do believe that we will need to develop models to help us understand how the pig uses energy and get the most predictable outcomes because When you think what I referred to before that the amount of energy available to the peg depends whether it's coming from fiber or from protein from starch or fat that's very complex and you can't really expect a system like even any to be completely accurate and the ultimate solution down. The road will be models and there's a few of those around the globe not a lot, but that Will be the ultimate I really believe that as we move more and more into what they call Precision agriculture that's good. In order for us to keep up on the energy side of things. That's where we will be headed. And that's a that's a very complex subject and would take much more time than we have today. But, you know case the long and before he passed away had started a very good model. Milan how energy is utilized by the P depending on where that energy came from. So so that's what I see going down the tunnel Marcio and but ultimately it's always defining. What is the optimum energy level give them the economics of the situation, you know, feed costs versus market price. Very nice. Is there someone working on that model now or it's kind of stopped John? Yeah, well, it took a big hit with cases with our loss of case and but there are people yes that are working on it, but it's in the privates. I'm not aware of anybody on the public side working on that. Okay, but on the private side, there are people working on that. Yes. Okay, as we move along Zhang Hao Kan swine nutrition is figure out the optimal energy to be fat. Add in swine diets. Yes. Well, there's two ways Marcio one is what I'll call the empirical method where you do a titration of energy levels just like we do titration of amino acids and titration of minerals and so on and so we would feed different energy levels to the pigs and we would develop then a response curve. We're not going to do breakpoint analysis because there is no breakpoint in energy. Spots, it's not like there is a requirement for energy like there is for lysine or calcium or something like that. It's a response surface we call it and so it's a curve and so as you feed a higher level of energy the pig will grow more efficiently and depending on your starting point May grow faster, but may not and I'll come back to that in just a minute. So you would feed different levels of energy. Energy, and you would develop this response but always remembering and this is the weakness of the empirical approach that that response surface is only going to be good for those conditions write that kind of temperature environment that genetics that health status. And so realistically if you're a company with many many Barns and are spread out geographically and therefore different whether you're going to To do develop these curves summer and winter and under different conditions of Health to get a good understanding of what that response is. Because if we think for a minute as we increase the energy level of the diet from let's say a low energy to a high energy as we increase energy that pig is already eating as much as it can of this low energy diet. So as we increase energy the pig consumes more energy per day and grows faster and grows more efficiently as energy continues to rise. We might get to the point where the pig now is consuming as much energy as it requires to maximize its growth rate. And when that happens then further increases in energy won't increase growth rate, but will increase feed efficiency. Now in my experience in commercial conditions, I'd say probably 80 80 plus percent of the time increasing energy will increase average daily gain, but it's not a hundred like, you know, if you have a healthy Barn the pigs are not The temperatures not too hot and those pigs have a good appetite. They can eat as much energy as they require per day to maximize their growth rate and increasing energy, then isn't going to make them grow any faster, but it will make him grow more efficiently, but there's not a lot of you know Barnes like that necessarily we tend to be more in that range on this curve. I just described where energy is limiting the pigs growth rate. So increasing energy will increase growth rate. So that's the empirical Cool approach and it's pretty straightforward can be easily done. But the the other approach is using a mock-up of what we call a growth model. So this is different than the energy model that I just talked about. This is a model that you plug in the genetics the you know, the feed intake and so on there's one in the NRC which actually is not a bad model. We've used it and it was Ruiz. It reasonably predicted the performance of the pigs. And you use this model and the nice thing about a model is you can apply it under different circumstances, right? If the model can adjust for feed intake then you can adjust for health situations. If you can if you know the protein deposition in your pigs, then you can plug that into the model and so on so you can you can estimate how the pigs would respond to energy and then you put an economic component into the model. You too, so that you're really you're not really optimizing energy or optimizing economics that that's really what it comes down to. So, those are the two ways Marcio to define the optimum energy level and by far the most common method used in the u.s. Is the empirical method, but there's more and more modeling going on and I think we're going to see more growth models in the future. Very nice. No, that's great. And and maybe I Like to share with the audience as well John that model that K-State worked on the on top of a meta-analysis. If you call them one from about three or four years ago on Journal of animal science, and and that was an interesting one because was a meta-analysis on 41 studies. And and then when we validated that in Canada was very very close as well from a performance standpoint. So so that was an interesting one as Well, you bet. Yep, and as more and more of that comes out Marcio, then I think people will become more comfortable with models. Right seeing is believing and when the model works then people will have more confidence and they are so powerful because they can be used under different conditions right? Very nice. You know, I've seen some situations John where the energy was increased but Amino It was not right. So if you can explain to us why so important to adjust amino acid levels when changing the energy level of the diet, right that good question and that's a big Hoops. If we don't adjust the amino acid levels and so fundamentally when we're setting up our formulation program. Ideally, what we would do is we would set the energy level and that's that's an input into the model into the formulation program. And then we don't Define lysine as a percentage of the diet. We Define it as a ratio to energy. What is the lysine to energy ratio and that so when we do that when we change energy, we automatically change lysine. And then we have our Ideal Protein ratio. So finding threonine tryptophan valine and so on are defined not as percentage of the diet, but as a ratio to lysine, so when we change energy that changes lysine and when we change lysine that changes the other amino acids, and so that that's really the right way to do it and that is because if when we change energy as I described before if we increase the The energy level of the diet that may drive better growth in the pigs faster growth and we need lysine to drive that growth or if it means the pigs are eating less feed because they're already Optima optimized in terms of energy intake. Well, we need to maintain that lysine level so that we don't go deficient in lysine. So that's why it's very very important to adjust our lysine. To our energy level very nice. Um, what are the biggest problems when managing energy sources into the diet. Good good question. I think the big one and it became much bigger in 2007 2008 is the variability of ingredients that we're dealing with now corn is, you know, one of the ideal ingredients that we use in the pig industry. A worldwide and it doesn't very very much the energy value of corn, you know within experiments that we do even when we've gone out and looked for differing qualities of corn. We've seen only a three or four percent maximally 5% range in energy, you know, when we had that very very dry year 2011. I think it was maybe 12 Saw some just terrible corn small kernels and you look at it. You think? Oh my God, this stuff is horrible. But when we actually did energy values on that corn there were only about a little over 3% lower if it came off the most drought-stricken land just over 3% less than the corn that was grown under good cropping conditions. And and when we've gone into years where Very very wet and we've had a lot of broken kernels and so on that actually was a bigger issue and there we saw differences of about 5% but corn doesn't very nearly as much as by-product ingredients that we might be using like ddgs which can vary and energy tremendously depending on how much energy excuse me. How much fat is present week mids are reasonably consistent, but they also If we were feeding wheat or barley the variation is double or triple that of corn and so corn is really considered to be one of the more uniform ingredients and we get worse from there Bakery by-product is another product that typically can vary quite a bit because it varies so much on what goes into it. So variability is one of the big ones cost, you know, when We set up our formulations and we're selecting ingredients and we get comfortable using those ingredients. We're getting predictable performance and then the cost structure changes. Then we're forced to make changes to those diets. And that's that changing cost that that causes us grief. And so for example, we might be feeding 20-25 even 30% ddgs and then the price of ddgs goes up and it no longer prices into the I had and we have to take it out and make all the adjustments and and so that makes life of a nutritionist much much more difficult. And then one other thing that we're just learning about now Marcio that's going to become more important in the future with the whole antibiotic thing using less antibiotics in the feed is we now know that different ingredients that we put into the diet affects the of the pig it can affect the structure of the gut it can affect the susceptibility of the pig to certain kinds of diseases like Kobe Bassel osis and Swine dysentery and other diseases. So in the future, we don't have quite enough information to be very specific yet, but we're getting to that point and we can make some recommendations that we but we can certainly understand now that Ingredients to go into the diet of the pig not that might be there to supply energy. But it may also be affecting got health and this is particularly important in the weanling pigs, but can even be important in the growth finished pig as well. Very interesting. Yeah as I think about that tunnel we were talking about before I guess that's that's going to be a big one as well how the whole microbiome interacts with all that so Very nice anything else Joan before we moved to the three questions. We ask every guest. No, I know. No, I think we've I think we've covered the subject pretty well with hopefully without getting into the weeds too much for your audience Marcy. Oh no, this is great. The truth is precision swine production is not the future. It is the present every pig is the intelligent Pig Health platform. It is a simple yet powerful Pig health and Action management tool request a free 20 minute demonstration at www.careerfh.com. Co swine it it is time to our fail. So the three questions Joan that we ask every guest every episode. The first one is what is your favorite swine related book Thank You Mauricio and I have two books. Actually I'd like to to include in my list one is Well known and that's the NRC 2012. I think the people that were on that committee did a very very good job. Obviously some chapters are better than others. But overall it's a very good reference book and the other is a not a very well-known book at all, but it's maybe the best book I ever read and it's very very old but that the science hasn't changed a lot and it's called comparative nutrition of foul and Swine. It was written by Ed Moran who was at the University of Guelph. You wrote that book but he just retired from Auburn University. But it compares the whole digestive system of the bird and the Peg and I just found it fascinating to understand the pig better by comparing two to the bird. It's just a fascinating book very interesting. I never heard of all that one. It's not well known. Unfortunately, very good. Well, I guess that's one of the goals of the this question too is so we all can Can keep keep learning with the the vast literature there. The the next one Joan is what's your favorite book in general outside of pig production? Yes. Well and this one this was pretty easy for me. I read this when I was quite young. In fact, I was still a teenager when I read this book, but it had a profound effect on me. It's called no man alone and it was written by a famous neurologist. His name was Wilder Penfield. And he built the first Neurological Institute in Canada. It's hard to believe here. We are in 2019 that within my lifetime in my early life time. There were no specialty. There was no specialty called neurology. I mean, that's amazing. But anyhow, he built this Neurological Institute in Canada. He became world famous. He built a Neurological Institute in the middle of the depression. So he raised millions of dollars. When most people didn't have any money and he was also a great researcher. He actually developed surgery that helped patients with epilepsy to control that epilepsy better than had ever been done previously. But when you read the book, he takes no credit for himself. Well, he gives credits to his colleagues and the book taught me at a very young age that your own personal success whatever it might be is not nearly as important as the success of the people around you. Of the people around you or successful, then you're going to be successful. And and that was the lesson from this book and very very successful man, but also very humble man. Well, they interesting and that's a good link there. Don't for the last question, which is in your opinion what separates successful swine professionals from those that are not well, I got five points Marciano go through them very quickly. The first is a commitment to lifelong learning. I'm 67. I'll be pretty close to sixty eight years of age and I hope I'm still learning in our world is changing so quickly we have to constantly be learning new things. I think successful professionals combined humility and self-confidence humble people tend to do more listening than King and when you're listening rather than speaking you tend to learn more but having that self-confidence to be sure of yourself is really important in our world, which is moving so very very quickly. I think the third point is people who work with their clients rather than for their clients. So in other words, it's a partnership. So your clients success is your success and your success is your clients success. I think that builds a strong long-term bond between people and their customers at the end of the day. I think the successful professionals always keep an eye on money on net income and cost of production a very successful entrepreneur that I knew many years ago told me that money like water never flows uphill. So when you're looking to improve profitability look for ways to make that money like water flow downhill in other words. It's got to be Logical it's got to be practical. And then finally, I think successful professionals have a great balance between their personal life and their professional life and my career spans 45 years. And when I look back on my memories, I've had some wonderful memories Marcio, but my best memories are coaching my daughter and two sons and baseball and hockey. Those are my best memories. So very nice. That's that's profound don't appreciate all those insights there from a technical standpoint and also from personal development standpoint. So I love that appreciate it John was that actually I think was the longest interview I've done that. So I liked it so much I get long-winded sometime. I apologize. No, no. No, this is this is great A lot of wisdom there and And yeah, appreciate so much your time. Again, Joe and I will see you soon. Well, thank you Marcio for having me. I really have enjoyed it. Hey guys, and girls, thank you so much for being part of our community as well as thanks for all the great gas that we have had. I hope you enjoyed this podcast as much as I do to be part of our email list and get some exclusive materials go to our website www.sceeto.com. That's wine. I t.com And subscribe to our e-mail list. Also, we love feedback. So if you use the Apple podcasts app, please leave us a review. It is much appreciated. We'll talk soon.

Today’s episode will cover “One of the most important decisions in swine production: dietary energy level”. “If you get dietary energy right you can keep your costs as low as possible… but if you get your energy wrong, you can affect performance and net income in a negative way.” – Dr. John Patience. Our guest is Dr. John Patience, another bright mind of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Patience is a global leader in swine nutrition research and internationally recognized speaker, received the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences Outstanding Achievement in Research Award. Received his bachelor's degree in 1974 and his master's degree in 1976 from the University of Guelph, Ontario. He received his Doctor of Philosophy from Cornell University in 1985. What you will learn: Why dietary energy is such an important decision; Understanding dietary energy in swine production; What is next for dietary energy; How can nutritionists figure out the optimum energy in swine diets; The importance of adjusting amino acids levels when changing energy level; The biggest problems when managing energy sources; What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. John’s favorite swine-related book: NRC (2012) and Comparative Nutrition of Fowl and Swine (Edwin Moran) John’s favorite book unrelated to swine: No Man Alone (Wilder Penfield) Edited by Lauro Faccin

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Oh, yeah. You heard it right? We have Chris on the podcast. It's going to be awesome guys. I've been wanting to have Chris on the podcast for several reasons for very long time and I finally had the opportunity to do so, so if you don't know Chris Chris is an amazing landscape photographer Storyteller and also human being who keeps pushing himself to the Limit and goes really deep into his discomfort in order to progress and that is something I personally admire and love to do and in this episode we will be digging into a bunch of different topics. We're going to be talking about the why taking pictures for fun is so fulfilling. Even as a working professional why investing time and what really matters is the most important thing in life and how come cycling took us such an important place in his life and how does it get him to really a greater creative space? How does he find ideas in those moments last but not least what I can of asked him a weird question, which is is Earth better without humans and his answer might be surprising you and last but not least we will talk about creativity discomfort and How to become better and that part is essential if you're trying to create anything in your life if you're trying to progress I think that episode will be purifier for you. So without further Ado let's welcome Chris to the podcast and dive right into it. Welcome to podcast Chris. Thank you man. I appreciate that so much. Appreciate you having me. Yeah. Well, I appreciate your time even more because I know you like the president. No. No, I just kind of kind of life's a little crazy sometimes and I think I'm a big fan of trying to fit it all in and sometimes that comes back to bite me in the butt. But for the most part I just I love trying to make the most of my time. I guess you could say I'm yeah, you know workaholic in that sense. So yeah, that's always the fine balance between you guys write everything and yeah my going to miss out right right there. Sure the Chris. I have a fan question. I asked a few people out the other day and it's like if I say photography what is the first image like photograph that comes in your head? There's not even a photograph that comes to my head when I think of photography. I mean to be honest. Like I'm I think there was a time in my career when I was a real photography like obsessed with out with photographs and with the concept of the I've the idea of Photography and nowadays when you say the word photography or you say, you know, what's the first thing that I don't even I just think about storytelling and like to me it's not so much about A singular image nowadays as it is about like, you know, the overall process of like telling a great story when I think of Photography like the first thing that comes to my mind is like what's my favorite film? Yeah, you know, I don't know why but like it's because I think that what I realize more and more is that there's so much more to the process of creating a great image. There's also like the emotion the feeling of what it was like when you created it, there's the there's the story behind the image. There's the why there's who and I kind of want to know all that stuff. And although I have my favorite images for me, you know, it's probably the volcano photograph of the surfer in the Aleutian Islands in Alaska, but you know, I guess I just think more on like I think more on like what is the I just constant questions pop up. Like what's the deeper story behind this a behind that or whatever so so yeah. Sorry. I'm pretty I'm pretty terrible at like the question games or like the you know, what do you think of when you think about this because my mind doesn't operate that way you come to Turbo did there is no right answer. Yeah, I guess there's just one answer true. I'm sure your point but that's I'm asking that because so I've had different photographers and and the older they get the more they talk of a story this is photos and or advance in their career and and that's something I feel and I love about photos is just or even film, you know, it's like what impacts you deeper than just like. Oh, That's pretty you know, like oh, that's more. I think what it is is that there's a surface quality to something. That's like looks beautiful. Right? It's like, you know, I think I think it's just like it's almost easier to relate to like food, you know, it's like it's like, oh I want something that like really gets my taste buds quickly. I want like back potato chips and it's like, ooh yummy, it's all salty and it's good. You just like eating at your thinking your favorite potato chips and like they're great but the bags done in like you didn't really actually get any nutrients and like it's not that great. So I look at like amazing landscape photographs like that. Like I enjoy them. They're yummy. I'm a total sweets and salty fan, you know, and you know, but what I really want is like something a Hardy, you know, like a warm soup that like fills you up deep inside and like a slice of bread, you know, so I think the point being is like there's true real fulfillment that comes from connecting with other people's stories and That's the stuff that changes you like that's the recipe that like changes who you are as a person potentially and makes you in some way a better person right if you can like relate to a story and really take something away from it and that that's just like the things that I really care about, you know, do you feel that the As you move towards like a little bit further into your career. Do you feel like you're going to you want to focus more on like just those stories and maybe the individuals or or or you instill? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Yeah, I feel like I still love the process of just like not have not. I mean here's the one thing is like I don't want to wax poetic about like every photo you take has to be this deep meaningful thing. Like it doesn't like that's that's totally ridiculous. Like I love the process of just going out and taking pictures because it's fun. Yeah, and it's it is fulfilling like that's it for no other reason but the more and more the older I get I do look for projects that I'm willing to invest my time. Into and that's just what I really am saying is like if I'm gonna spend six months on something. I want it to be something that I'm a hundred percent. Like I'm on board with and I care about and I care about a person and their story and their this know that and they're yeah you got so to me those things are also critical like they're so important and I think that if you're going to be investing your time money energy taking time with your family, it better be a important thing, you know better to be like not like I'm just going to go out and shoot this One great Action Sports image for me. It's like I want to go tell a story about a friend that changed my life or a story that's you know significant and that that's I think where you get down to like the meat of it, you know, also, I like what you're saying because solar resonates with me, especially on that like, can you can you work for something that's a little bit deeper, you know, like we are going to be willing to sacrifice more for something you care about exact that's all there is to it like it's just the same thing as like me hiring you because you can have you have a camera I know how to operate it like that's on fulfilling you feel used but you're making money so you can't really complain but the point is like I I'm more willing to like give everything something I truly believe in. Yeah, and those are the projects that you really suffer for the ones you suffer for the ones are good. Yeah, that's what passion is passion is being willing is over something that is very true. What's your take on creating versus capturing? I got some excellent. That's an excellent. Excellent thing to be honest. Like I actually love this concept of like Capturing an image like in what that means like it's like you're setting a trap and you're like, you're like capturing something to take you're taking it for you as opposed to composing an image which think about like the tact and like the elegance and the the time and the energy that a composer puts into composing an orchestra. Like they're they're fully engaged and all of these elements and they're creating something beautiful and then when it's over it, so I think to me like I mean, it sounds so stupid but like truly the verbiage in which we Which we describe our process of creating images should reflect how much we care about that. Well, you know how that process and and respect it. And I find that like the more you respect to place the more time you dedicate to it the more care concerned whatever like the I think it comes through in the images. Do you have a yeah, I agree. I like what you say, but don't kiss throw because it's that's kind of what happens also. That's why sometimes street photography at Do it just because I'm in cities a lot and there's a magical atom into it where it's like that's you didn't set up anything, you know? Oh, yeah, it's just happened at God's beautiful just captured life at one point that will never be repeated right right time and it just makes me wonder when you when you do landscape like that and and you in those places. Is there a way for you to have the landscape be actually a subject and imagine you wanted to A story you could not add a human element into that landscape. What what would be your thoughts around that I mean a good landscape image is completely an opinion based thing. So that's the hard thing is like it's like impossible to be like, what would you do? You know, like I don't to be honest. I never I never want to add a human subject or and human element or any element to an image unless I feel like it complements the image to me in a lot of ways if I'm adding a human element. I'm adding I'm adding a landscape to a portrait as opposed to the other way around. That's the way I always see it and I grew up shooting surfing so we were it was always I was always shooting a subject. I was shooting people on surf trips and it's funny because from that background I was I was really like shooting surfing with a tight lens. Yeah, and then all of a sudden that show I'd shoot a little wider and a little wider to the point where I was like showing the entire landscape and you're adding the To the subject. It's a for me the story was always like well, I'm shooting this person or this whatever doing, you know, this incredible feat of achievement, you know, or you know, whatever physical you know achievement and and I'm trying to showcase the landscape in which they're doing it, right? So there was always a there was always a relationship between subject and nature now if I'm going into a national park or I'm going somewhere that like is just so beautiful on its own and I'm forcing myself to add. Something to it. That just doesn't make sense to me. That just doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like you're doing that place of service and I guess it's a hard thing for me to see imagery and even in myself. I've done this. This is why I'm using myself in the example. Is that going to a place feeling like man? The only way I can make this interesting is by like in inserting subject here. Like that's not the right answer and I think that what I find is that usually it's the byproduct. Device being rushed forcing ourselves to create something, you know capturing an image so to say and just trying to like get through it right as opposed to like when you do have the opportunity to go somewhere again and again and again and and or go somewhere that you're able to really pay your respect or your time or put in your time. That's when you get like the amazing cloud formation of the rainbow after a storm or whatever the you know, the low Cloud sitting in the valley and your photograph is so interesting and so unique. The adding anything to it would be like asinine and I think that's really the way that I see it is like we go to somewhere. It's crappy. Midday light, you know, it's not a very interesting photograph and you're like, oh I'm just gonna like put a subject in there and try to make it into that doesn't work. Like I don't know, you know, I mean, that's just my opinion again. Well, I know what you mean. Just give scales. You're happy. But part of me also wish that it was solely natural. Not natural. But like yeah that it happened little bit more candidly just because I need the problem is nowadays something that happens candidly and somebody doesn't like people like nobody righteous. Nobody even cares or notices or could tell the difference unless you like take the time to explain it and then by taking the time to explain it you take away the mystery that is that is true. Yeah, that's true the that's why I always like to discuss with with you guys or with other photographers about that because everyone has a little bit of different philosophy around that, you know, yeah, but she want to speak with people who like really composite very deeply images like which goes into for me and totally art mode, you know, it's like completely imaginary which is interesting versus trying to stay in the and more the documentary style or like capturing it always reminds So I think as creators like whatever I'll do you want to take in what story really are you trying absolutely hind it? Absolutely. Yeah, one of your images I have to share that one of your images from Yosemite National Park got me to Glacier Point and okay. I didn't know where it was. But I remember I don't know if it was tutorial video one day. I saw a so that skateboarder, you know like go. Yay. That was like that was maybe five years ago. Yeah, what was struck with me? Yeah, and it was exactly become a VIP pass. Obviously I was like, yeah, I just like Google die quickly and well I found out it was Glacier Point obviously the road it was amazing, you know, and I couldn't help taking a photo there and yeah, yeah stuff and use the skate Barn so it's so popular. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, it's funny how like Trends form and set and I you know, it's like you don't really do something. I don't I don't aspire to create images and hopes to start at And some capacity. It's just something that like I had done in the past and done before and it all it's almost like it dawned on me to like want to take out the camera and take a picture of it and it's it's so fun. Like I've eaten shit. They're like big time like going around that band and like, you know, like falling off into the rocks and whatnot. And it's like those are I always just think of like, I love our outdoor spaces our national parks and finding interesting and new ways to Perience them whether through climbing or you know flying over and like a paraglider a trike of some sort or or whatever skateboarding or cycling through it or you know it to me like I just enjoy documenting The Human Experience. Yeah, and whatever that may be, you know some capacity. So yeah speaking of Trends. Do you feel like Don take some time to post off just thinking like God everyone's going to do the same or not? Carry me. I don't I don't I don't think of I think that that's like man. It's so hard because like, you know, always it always comes back to your intention, right? I understand that and that's so important, but I think the reality is like if you're afraid of sharing something because You know of how somebody's going to perceive it, but it's really meaningful to you that's going against your greater your nature, you know, and like I think that in some ways like I also think there's something to be said for being a photographer or just a person in general who has a perspective who's willing to like stand up for what they believe in even if some people don't agree like I think we're all too busy trying to please too many people and I've always loved the advice the advice of you Monty. Hard like if you're not Pitch pissing off 50% of the world, you're not doing your job like not everybody should think what you're doing is great or it's cool or it's whatever like there should be naysayers. That's a part of the process and I think we have created we fostered a culture where we're just trying to please everybody all the time. Yeah, and that's so unhealthy like I I mean to not live in a world where there's some like I I just I celebrate like differences of opinion. I love that like it doesn't need to be controversial. It just needs to be like well somebody might like this somebody might not that's okay. Well and like somebody might think this is dangerous. That's okay. Yeah, I don't need to you know, I don't need to appease everybody. Yeah, but at the same time, I'm also not that type of person where if somebody's like gonna call me out or say something. I'm just gonna like roll over, you know, like I will tell them give my my opinion and make them realize like I am a human being with thoughts and intentions and if you want to communicate with We do so effectively via email or through DM or whatever. It might be but like simply, you know, you know voicing your opinion online as if it matters, you know, when you're basically at your privilege to you know be able to take part in someone's creative process. That's not really I think effective in my opinion what that is that sorry that's a long-winded answer to probably like a not a very long, you know when question but no, I think it's great that it's something that I think More and more nowadays you did because you were in an age of instant feedback. You know, it's like you put a video on YouTube you you instantly see what happens when it's also challenging because like what do you want to see? Do you want to see something that's always just like rainbows and Meadows and you know, it's just like so soft like everything just like Best Day Ever amazing this amazing that like, I just get bored with that like I want to know something about somebody I want to know somebody's opinion. I want to know like a perspective that means And if that means that person is going to share something that's potentially controversial great. I welcome that because it might it allows me to see things from a different perspective. Yeah. Why would we want everybody to see things the same way? We do just like going shooting with someone who shoots only low angles and you think it's done, you know, you like well actually maybe yeah, maybe there's some sure that's cool. I want to segue into something. That's a little bit off the top fee. It's your adventure in Iceland. With the bikes. Mmm. I want a cycling. So can you just I want to see did you learn anything from that experience because that's a little bit off of what you've been doing so far. I don't think so. I think the reality is just I've allowed people to know more about my life. That's all there is to it. Like there's a lot of stuff. I don't do there's a lot of stuff. I don't tell people because I don't have you been biking for a long time. I've been cycling for like 5 years, but I stopped when I had My son because I want to it's hard to take the time and I started writing again. And you know, I just I've learned to become more open with people and share more of my personal life. You know, I'm also a certified yoga teacher like I don't talk about that all the time. Do I need to know do I do I need to share every single thing? I ate every morning and you know, like do I need a shove it down people's throats that I'm vegan and I don't care right? So the reality is I've tried to a little more share insights. Of my personal life because it seems like people are interested, you know, but I'm also a sensitive creature and I like, you know, I it's hard because sometimes I'm like, oh well if it's not photography related people won't care, you know, and so I now I'm trying to open up more and be and that's a that's a part of getting outside. Your comfort zone is like, okay. Well, I'm going to share a little more of the Insight that makes me me and to be honest cycling is just good exercise, but more than that to be honest. It's forced time. For me to be able to think and it's forced time to allow myself to create space for creativity. That's all it is. And I'll tell you what, there's no greater creative space. You'll ever enter Then when you're 58 hours without sleep and your you've exhausted your body writing 850 miles and you're seeing things and you're hallucinating and you're about to fall over and you're bleeding and everything hurts like you get some really unique parts of you. You that I cannot express to others how fulfilling that is for me to like not only understand like of course like how far can you go? It's not about that. It's and I think there's just this masochistic perspective people have of like, why would you do that? And the reality is like I just want to create space for For creativity to happen. Yeah, and I'm just like you I'm always on my phone and I mean, I'm sorry, I'm kind of judging here. But like I'm just like everybody else right? I'm always on my phone and I'm always, you know inhibited by the day-to-day and you know, I'm getting it all in but when I go out and ride my bike or I go out and rock climb or I go out and do whatever I'm like, you can't do anything else and I love that and that's actually why I like to ride is like when I'm climbing you stop and then you can pull out your phone and you It only goes for like 20 30 minutes at a time and a chunk. I love climbing and running is like just hard on the body and I used to do it a lot. But like there's just this long and I urge everybody to find that thing for them swimming or whatever is I've dabbled with a bunch of different sports over the years and I just I love something about that like that that gift you've given yourself, you know the gift of like being fully there. But if you're creative like how do you call that like spring or whatever, you know, you don't like the second sound cycle goes out to me to be honest. That's what it is. Like I can't tell how many voice notes I've recorded on my bike ride. Like this is a great idea like stopping like record something because they come to you. Yeah, and it's usually after like a couple hours of like you're not bored, but you're kind of like, okay. Well this isn't as visually stimulating as like scrolling Instagram, right? But that's what you need. You need to like Purge that yeah for a bit and then when you do come back to things you see them with fresh eyes. Really? It's really powerful. Yeah, II can only a hundred percent confirm what to say. That's what I was telling then he was just he's like, I'll come late to go back in the water. And yeah yet everything away from me. You know, I like yeah everything that is like peeling you lay off, you know, like oh, yeah. I mean that's what surfing is. It's like a baptism every time yeah, I feel you feel this like Rejuvenation of like body and spirit. I just it's incredible. But I also think that the more you do something the more kind of Place it you get I mean you see people doing incredible things and still being unhappy and to me I'm just like whoa, that's weird. Like you were unhappy the first time you did it. You were probably overfilled with joy and and it was like this childlike Wonder but you see people go out surfing in our like angry and yelling at people and the reality is like I think that there's something to be said for doing something over and over and over and trying to find different results, which is why I like to mix it up. Like I like to like, I'm not a cyclist. I just ride my bike sometimes. The end I'm not a climber. I just enjoy climbing like sometimes I just like trying new things and for a period of time and getting into it and then like moving on, you know, and then dabbling back and forth. So do you feel like photography is something that always stays with you? No matter what? Yeah, or solutely mean. Were you like, you know what? I mean? I'm not ashamed to say it but I don't pick up my camera for months at a time. Really. Oh, yeah all the time. Like that's the reality is like I don't want to be just a photographer. I wouldn't I I feel like it's limiting and I don't mean that in like a pretentious way. Like I feel like what I feel like is just giving yourself to that craft of Storytelling limits you like there are months and months where I will practice like public speaking or our practice presentations or out practice because that's what I have to do and try this like imagine if you're not a photographer anymore. Yeah, but you had to bring the same level of visual. Intimacy through public speaking. How would you describe things? How would you write things? I've been working on a book this last month that's coming out in October. I've been working on a film and Iceland last week and I might you know, there's a lot of other facets to my creativity that I try to Foster and I guess what I'm saying is that I a lot of those require you to putting a camera down and giving time and space for those. Yeah, and I guess I just hope that more creatives do that. That because I'm excited to hear their voices and other ways or their Vision, right and other ways. Yeah, I felt like what would you say is like something that is being uni-dimensional will keep you in the lane in the box and the only results you can expect is that lane all that? But yeah, if you're not able to like spread a little bit thicker when I can in different directions, you can't no other results will come out none. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, that's the that's what the like what the sign of you know, I forgot I'm totally blanking her but it's basically like the the definition of like being you know crazy is doing the same thing over and over expecting you results, right? Yeah. I think that we do that from time to time and I'm yeah and I guess that's what I'm trying to like get away from is like why am I just doing the same thing over expecting new results how else could I express? This thing that I'm passionate about and the thing that I'm passionate about is not photography. The thing that I'm passionate about is sharing my perspective with the world and the things that are meaningful to me and the things that I fear losing the things that I love and a lot of that is nature and is human experience and is you know people and a lot of things and I just I look for different ways to do it and I feel like that's kind of I guess how I would Define myself, you know. Night, it gets kind of cliche to be like I'm a Storyteller. But like I really do hope to be a Storyteller. Well in any way I can well that's that's great. Yeah, I think you're doing a pretty good job so far. Thanks, man. I really appreciate that. What you've been working on. I have a super with question because something you said like trigger and that's that's me being me was weird questions and I think your question do you think Earth is better off without humans? No, of course not that's like the time he gets the dumbest question you Could ever ask I'm just kidding. No, I it's a great question. No, but I mean personally, I don't I don't think so. I mean the reality is like it's really funny because like we are consumers we consume. Yeah animals consume to yeah, we all consumed by our very nature like I think that I think that the answer to the biggest questions that we have in the world are not going to be like, you know humans are destroying Earth where it is Grace. Like what does that even mean? Like, you're like you're talking about your own race here at people. I'm sorry that not everybody sees the same way or the same perspective and and hey if we could if we could you know in some way you know, and It you know the amount of new people coming into the world all the time, that'd be great. But that's not going to happen. Like like there's not going to be a year where there's going to be a halt and no more people are going to be added to Earth's population based that's not going to happen ever like that idea is done. Like I think that the reality is that we need to Foster more experiences or people can learn to care about the natural world because the greatest issue that humans have is were too smart and we tend to think our way through everything and work out how to make things as simple as they could possibly be and this pursuit of Simplicity and this pursuit of and when I mean Simplicity, I also mean like technological advancements in how we can make our lives easier in this pursuit of he's is what has put us into this situation. Yeah. It's much much For when everybody has to like walk to a well to get their water or walk to a streamer or has to engage with nature every single day. But when you you know, we've made life easier by living in cities and by you know, being able to jump on, you know, this computer that computer and not saying these are bad things. I'm just saying that we have lost touch with nature and our connection to it. And when you lose touch with something, it's out of sight out of mind. I I choose to be vegetarian. Ian because I do I cannot come to grips with killing my own food. Okay, and that's just the reality. I don't have a problem with anybody else doing at all. I'm not here to you know advocate for PETA or for the you know, even for the fair treatment of animals. I love animals and I hope they're all treated fair, but I'm not saying like people shouldn't you? No kill animal. They everybody should do whatever they want. Right? I just know for me personally and I think that that's just me trying to be in touch with my own reality and Nature in general is like if I was forced to I would write but I'm not and I also know that it's not something that's asked of me. So again, all I'm just saying is like I aim to be as introspective and as possible and I just I just want people to be able to have experiences that force them to kind of question who they are be the most a real version of themselves right now, and I think that the more opportunities people have to be out in nature and to experience the stuff. If and not just like what I'm getting at here is like just going to the grocery store buying food not knowing where it comes from not knowing the process that has to go through not knowing anything. And I mean I think food is the best example of out of sight out of mind but there's a million other examples that you could potentially bring up and is that but I'm just saying in general like that that to me is the greatest Crooks. I don't think humans are really the scourge of the earth. I think that we've actually we've actually, you know done incredible things to create an amazing. Distance for everybody here for each other and we bring joy to each other's lives and we do this. We also bring a lot of terrible things but I think that I think the thing that we really need to consider is just is just where are we at in our own personal Journey with interacting with the natural world? Yeah, but I love those thoughts. I think it's it's very it's very difficult to Define. First of all, what is good and bad? That'd be right. Of course. That's the thing is like it's such a unique kind of set yourself up for failure even answer the question. It's crazy. And that's what I keep learning as I go also personally, you know, I'm because I'm very optimal ated on so many stuff. I don't know where it comes from in my life. But I have an opinion on everything mainly because maybe I'm French and we do but it's what you say in what I come to realizing that I would love your answer about who should be no human in a way. It's like the Earth would still evolve. Yeah, it might still get destroyed. Yeah, it might still disappear in 500 million years. Yeah who the heck knows and what I came to realize just like one of the photo you shared with your you I think it was I don't know why it was but there was this guy on the ledge and the one side was dark one side was like, right. Yeah, son and you were talking about that ends and so I came to realize I'm like everything's freaking balance, you know, whether you want it or not whether you would destroy the Earth. Or Earth or like or vision of Earth within the next 200 years and all die or not or go in space or whatever. It doesn't matter. They're like 5 million other planets for disappearing every day a new start is coming up. We are so insignificant like I like I just I blows me away that some people complain like it's their job and I just like, I really question where people's Pursuit Of Joy is in their life and the process Of bringing joy to other people. Yeah, and to me that is a hundred percent. My mission statement is I want to bring joy and happiness to other people's life. And because I feel like life is an Incredible Gift and I've been given the gift of Life by somebody who had to sacrifice a lot for me to have it and that perspective is my own personal perspective. Nobody can take it from And I just feel like I aim to bring joy to other people's life and try not to complain too much and you know try to whenever I and it's a funny thing like when I see something online or in the world that bothers me rather than opening my mouth and just giving someone my opinion about it. The first thing I try to do is think Am I doing that? And is that something that I could be working on is where am I failing in that regard to live up to? You know, X person's expectation not say that you need to but just like I don't think our first reaction should be to like point the finger and blah blah blah. It's like just nice to be introspective. They should be intersection. I just I I've realized a lot about myself in doing so yeah, you know, it's also like what triggers you like? You've probably triggered you because there's something about you know, Your own personal life. That is I feel like it's like you're living your experience of life. Meaning you're experiencing life with your own lands. We're in the same universe or maybe different universe but like my vision of you right now and your vision of me is hundred like a million miles away from each other, right? I might see you one way you see me one way, but you see me based on all your experiences you've had In that current life and same for me and I whenever I get like bog down like you said or like when I realized that I'm know. I'm a little bit too reactive on something that I don't want to take that someday. I'll work on personally not to react and just actually try to switch gears and be like, okay what how did it experience life? What can I take from that and there's perspective and is it and do I really have a better answer than yeah, you know and yeah. it's really puts me in a place sometime where I'm like well there's not it's not that bad it's not that good it's and then I'm just like thinking the not in the middle but you know it's your vanilla yeah yeah it's like I mean if it works for you man like the I personally want to tend towards something that's harmonizing with whatever is around me right versus saying this is good this is bad my I'm more like is it is it creating Harmony or they're creating discomfort yeah or the torment of people around me yeah I also think there's times and places in which like discomfort creating this For is a good thing because you're never going to make change and less safe. Everything just always kosher and easy peasy and whatever. I think that like, you know, but I think this call-out culture. Yes is what I is what I think we're both talking about you which is like which is where it's dangerous. Like it's the call-out culture without introspective culture. And I think that there's an important that you need both, right and I respect both and I which is why when when I see somebody saying something to somebody else or saying something to me or I want to say something that some I just want to think about my own life first big. Well, how could I improve this? If this is something that triggers me or whatever? I don't know. So I don't even know how we got on the topic But ultimately yeah, I think that for me like photography is a tool to bring joy and that is all there is to it and and and I hope that I can my images could do that. That's awesome. Of course, I think we can wrap it up here. That was awesome belts and I think we could go. Forever. No, I like it. I enjoy talking about the more existential questions as opposed to like so what's your f-stops and apertures and what's you know, it's like the cameras just that it's just another canvas, you know, that's it. That's really all it is. It's what I do. It's like do you want the blue bomber or do you want the green? Huh? Yeah, I know. Yeah exactly. I don't know. I just want to yeah, like I just want to hammer the nail. Yeah, exactly. Just give me any right right like and I think that's a great way of looking at it like we're building a house. Yeah, you know and whatever you want to put in that house. Is up to you and ultimately, you know, you're going to use different tools and it takes a variety of different skill sets and you can get there in a very quick way. Yeah, you know you get there in a very slow way, you know, and I think the important thing is what do you tend? What do you what are your intentions on feeling that what do you plan to put inside? What do you what do you plan? I think that what I really try to empower other photographers to consider because I consider this myself is like what is your mission statement? And what are you trying to say with your images it is? So hard to give people advice when they ask it if they don't know what they want. If they don't know where they want to end up. I cannot give you a road map. I cannot tell you which path to take if you don't know where you want to go. It's nearly impossible. So yeah, I think that's a big part of it. I think that's that's probably the mystery of life, too. Anyways, yeah, I never us feedback on my photos anymore. All right, maybe I did want to was told but you know, but I have the hardest time I told you online. They always ask Sookie look at my photos. I'm like, I would love to but I don't give feedback online because I don't know you I can't offer someone feedback. If I don't have a chance to sit with them understand who they are get it would it would be so dishonest. Yeah, just to be like I looked your ribbons for five seconds. They look great or or imagine like telling someone I looked your image for five seconds. They're terrible that will crush them like the whole thing. And it's also like such an opinion. It doesn't mean anything. I just think like I really am too like when I give feedback I want it to be real. I wanted to be honest and I think that requires understanding someone's goals and aspirations because just because I don't like it or just because I don't think it's whatever it doesn't mean it's bad or it's good it. It just means that's my opinion night. But as I think teacher and as a Critic, I've tried to learn to take my own opinion out of things and sort of look at something in the greater context of like yeah, is this work benefiting this person's goal to get here? Yeah, whether I like it or not, that's irrelevant. Yeah, I agree. Agree, my go-to answer is do you like it? Yeah, like I am like literally well, first of all, do you like it? You don't need my approval right know like like I aim to just aim to empower people to be like to understand why they shot it. What was the driving force? What are you trying to say? Yeah, and I think that by asking those questions if someone takes that seriously though, they'll get to a place where they have a greater understanding of themselves and they're working everything. So yeah, it's all about discovering yourself in a way. Yeah. Absolutely rocking question Chris. Yep meditation. What do you stand? Oh, I mean a hundred percent. I think I'm huge into meditation and I've taken like actual meditation courses and I've you know through my yoga teacher training I was able to do quite a bit and through practice. I've done a lot but to be honest, I don't think that meditation needs to be this sitting down being quiet your back straight your legs and you know cross-legged position, you know breathing out your nose. I don't think that's what you necessarily need to do. I feel like meditation can come in many many forms and to me You know being out in the ocean is oftentimes a form of meditation. What I like is I think that meditation is when you ask yourself to shut off. Some of your senses. Yeah, and it's a funny thing because I feel like for me like being on the bike can be a form of meditation and I say that because what I'm doing is I'm engaging certain senses were a lot. Right and I'm kind of shutting off other one's right and and I don't know how to describe that in like the best way but exercise for me has been a really great meditation like, you know, doing something repetitively over and over and over and asking your body and your body is focusing on that and I'm not really focusing on like what somebody saying to me. I'm not like and I'm not really focusing on like, you know other Sensations. It's a weird scenario. The kind of the point of meditation is you shut off certain senses so you can feel even more. Hmm and I think that's kind of the goal and you can find that in many different ways and I would just say to find what makes sense for you while that's sitting in a quiet room, whether it's sitting Asana whether your meditation is just reflecting in some capacity. Like I really like that when I ride on like a trainer at home, I'll put your plugs in so I don't hear anything. Yeah, sometimes I just like close my eyes and just like, you know, my breath is really nice to focus on But I would say that anything that allows you to. You know remove oneself from oneself is which sounds so dumb in like esoteric, but but I think that's the goal in my mind. So yeah, I mean, I think the moment you start trying I don't think what you said sounds dumb anymore. Yeah for anyone who's ever tried to shut his nine down. Yeah, you know the voice that keeps speaking. That's the point in my mind is very active. So I need that like that that you know voluntary effort. To shut my mind off a little bit and that's come through many different things and I just and even through like, you know forcing myself to let go and do public speaking. I don't enjoy it. I'm scared. Right? Yeah, but I do it because my heart starts pumping and you know, I'm getting myself out of my comfort zone. Like I wouldn't be I would be an imposter if I didn't force myself to do things that that were out of my own comfort zone, you know, and this is why I do those things. Things like, you know photography at a certain point becomes comfortable. Oh, you can't like me Can't Always Get Ya photography. It's like, you know getting you it's that doesn't work like that. Like there's a lot of other things in my life. Like even I started learning how to ride horses. I bought a horse because they terrified me and that was something really scary to me and I with my wife and her help like try to overcome that so that you know, I'm just I mean, this is random but like that's what you do to tone to into that on purpose, right? It's something or was it my wife. I can't remember but she's like, you know what it's not really a challenge to ask an entrepreneur to start a business. No, you know, she's like but now ask an intrapreneur to get a daytime job and stick through it for 3-5 years. Yeah. She's like that's challenge. He's like because like everyone talks about you should quit your job and do your thing. Yeah, right. If you intrapreneurial that that feels natural you want to get you new grab do that. What if what if what if we ask those people to actually stay in? The job, you know, she's like she's like so Comfort is a completely totally it's totally perspective. You know, like that's like saying I'm sure renowned is in his element when he's in the mountain you have like struggling. All right wing or like and tough. Yeah fireman renowned for sure. And I think you know, you take renowned like a public setting and force them to interact with people. That's uncomfortable. Yeah, and I I'm uncomfortable in that situation to but I kind of through meditation and being like, okay. This is part of my mission statement. This is part of This is part of my process to spread that Joy because I can share my ideas and thoughts. I have to keep myself in check like this is the purpose and at the point when it turns to like drinks and you know this and that nobody knows nobody cares then I'm like, okay, my time is done. I'm going to bail, you know, but I think that's a part of it. We have to think about, you know, how we can grow and then put ourselves in situations where we can that's the best. I think we can leave everyone with Windows Awesomenauts. Thanks, man. I really appreciate to think it no one knows you're working to find them. I mean, okay. Yeah, I just Google my name. I'll pop up somewhere out there somewhere and I'm in the web. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Well guys, thank you so much for listening. I hope you have enjoyed that episode. If you did remember share it with your friends send it to your cat to your dog to your neighbor to photography group tag me on Instagram stories. Make sure you get the word out. I think that episode had so much value in it that you cannot not share it. That's so important and Lasting. Then at least makes you a good check out Chris's work because it goes beyond Instagram. I want you to watch his movie. I like everything in the show notes and also check out this books because that gives you another dimension into a human being and the stories that person likes to share that's always so important and there is always something inspiring that you can take out of it for your own life. And for your own Creations. All right guys, we know for the do get out there. Go shoot try something different try something new. I will talk to you in the next episode have an amazing. Day, bye.

Fire Episode with Chris Burkard that goes way deeper than just photography! Enjoy! 01:30 Start 05:00 Story Telling is more important 09:10 How to tell stories without humans in your photos 16:00 Why negative feedback is good 19:30 It's not all about photography 21:00 Chris' creative "source" 23:00 Doing something too many times will kill the effect of it 26:40 Is Earth better off without humans? 29:00 Introspection vs Reaction 36:00 Why Chris doesn't give feedback online 🔥Watch Chris' film: 👉 Under an Arctic Sky - Chris Burkard 🔥Get Chris' book on Amazon: 👉All his Books here 🔥Check Chris' work on Instagram: 👉 https://www.instagram.com/chrisburkard Hope you learned something out of that episode! Now go crush it out there and remember to be nice with our planet - we only got one! SHARE That episode if you like it & leave a 5* to the podcast on Apple Podcast - thank you!As usual, ask any question you have about photography, videography, cinema, social media or anything related to a modern creator's life. Enjoy & spread the word to your friends about this podcast!

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This is the episode that we've been looking to do for a long time and it just kind of fell in our lap because we did, you know, we were blessed where people reach out to us now to interview them and things that our nation is but we wanted to do a interview on The Barber Shop industry, right, but we didn't want Just do it with anybody. We wanted to do it with somebody that has a successful model. Somebody that has scaled their business and somebody that can really teach the game, right? So yeah, Alicia's all about just dropping gems and providing information. So yes, one of our loyal Ernest DM us and said, can you get him on a podcast gentleman name is Wade Mendez. And once I looked at this page, I'm like, yeah and I DM them and he was like, yeah, let's do it. So I'll get a background so weight is interesting because he started off as a barber by trade right and that's not any different from any other Barber, right? That's one thing in our community. Is this a lot of people that cut here right? I think just cutting here was in ancestry his the long line of Barbers. Yeah, so he started off cutting here, but the thing I like about him is that he's expanded his business. So he's grown his business and now he has multiple locations. We'll talk about that. But we're really really really put them on the map and change the game is that so I'ma call it with the streets call it and then Troy going to call it with the technical term it so if you're not familiar that the hottest thing in the streets right now is the is the man unit and of the man unit is man we've man calling all umi's man. Yeah, man with no disrespect. I'm not bored. I'm light-skinned and I have a short haircut have a Caesar. I still grow here. It's the Emoji. I'm about to I'm about to grow my hair back. But yeah, but Troy Troy is bold Choice. It is what it is. I'm bald. I know I have a recession. Yeah people deep deep deep recession. So so so what happens every recession so what happened for years and especially, you know, black men, you know, just rock the ball head, but recently a lot of men have been given a second chance of life and you know, you can have a hairpiece. Yeah, and it's actually looks pretty dope. Like I've seen it and you can style it you can cut a you can put parts in wash it it's a whole it's a whole vibe and weight was one of the first I really blew it up. Up or social media and he became extremely successful. He's been a black Enterprise and up a bunch of different Publications by since Rachel Roy HBO read BTW NPR, they wrote about milkmaid over a half a million dollars last year really? Have a good day knew ye it's a whole million dollar operation. So we're going to talk about it going to get in Dap and we got corrected the name though. Yeah you topic so it is a man weave on the streets, but it's also known as a here unit or a cranial Paris. Is thisis that's a right properties prosthesis. I was close. Yeah, you cranial prosthesis. All right. So first and foremost, thank you known as the to pay a thing. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Appreciate man. My pleasure my pleasure for being here. Thank you all for having me. Sure. So can we all right. So can we talk about your journey? Because like I said the bomber conversations interesting cuz how I look at in our communities is that there's like three businesses that black entrepreneurs want to start. Barbershop hair salon, right clothing stores some sort of fashion and a restaurant. Yeah. Those are like the three like go to businesses. Right? And I always say that the only problem with a barbershop and the restaurants and the clothing store is that they all can't be scalable but 95% of the time they're not scalable. They stay just local mom and pop and it's hard to really make a lot of money. When you don't have a scalable model, all right, but you do have a scalable model. So first and foremost, how did you get started in the barber shop industry Barber industry. And when did that turn? Like when did you start to look at it and to say okay. I can actually make this into a multi or a million-dollar plus operation. Well, I mean, you know Barbara is running a family my great-grandfather had a barbershop. My grandfather could cut my dad. Could cut my uncle could cut and I ate it went to me. I started cutting my hair goes 12. So it was a situation where I tried different things kind of got in the industry because it was my passion but I didn't know you can make bread with this. I didn't know you can make money with with Barbara like that because I never seen an example of somebody really making taking it seriously and really making money and trying to make something some things happen. So it wasn't like something I got into for the money. I got it to it for the passion and for the impact that it As on people, you know, I mean, I think that you know, once you when you when you focus on those things money will come but I think every year I just progress on just got got better and gain more because I was pushing myself more every year, you know, I never I got a fear of being complacent. I never just want to be complacent. So every year I was pushing myself to do more and think more so about from behind a chair just not at the local barbershop where like, you know, I started cutting different celebrities traveling that little mold and barber school. Ooh, and it from there, you know I'm saying travelling meeting different levels of care for BET Awards different award shows with bttv one different stuff like that or whatever and I just didn't know if I didn't necessarily want to be a normal Barber at a barbershop, you know, so I was like, all right, how can I take this to the next level and then started getting to the hair units, you know actually so so actually I'm a little quick story. There was a young lady I was dating with And we actually yeah, well I so let me go back come on boy. He met his wife got a shop in Chicago. She a hairstylist. He'll bother he was like bro. I'm making so much bread doing weaves. He was like man, she won't want my wife taught me how to do is so I wonder if we're going okay. Okay, because you know, you can only you can only charge the so much as a bother he said before but for those like nah, bro, I'm not paying that so I'm like and you kept out is as far as how much you can make you know, and so he was like man, he was like yo you need to get into this because I'm making like $400 ahead now. So I told my girl at the time she was out there not doing it. How what would the stigma be if you want? Yeah, so there was that and then she was like, I don't trust them girls. They going to be all you know. Out of phase. So I was like, all right, Hammer make more money without killing myself. And so would you own your stop shop at this point? Yeah this time. I had one shot. Okay. I didn't have the second location yet. And so I going to lasso the shop thing, you know, unless you're doing commission as a barber you really not making a whole lot of money off. No barbershops, you know I'm saying but I'll be honest about that. 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I outgrew that because it's like a little small room that you end by yourself. So I had some clients was like man, he need to get your own shot because this room is cramping, you know, she's we crammed up in here. So I went to the bank got denied. It was like now we can't give you any money to open those spot or whatever. So I just start stacking my money and just saving that's it. Uncle like if I wanted to open a barbershop things like we're not trying to give you loans most most times unless you have something to show for at the time I didn't I didn't I didn't own a house or I didn't have I didn't really know that's what really I had no assets so so I said I started saving money but then I had it was like almost like I had to two angels that came like a man what's going to take the you get a shot it gave me $20,000 and from that point. So Angel Investors like yeah, they died. They literally I felt like God sent his Angel both ha ha ha ha Except I got to tell you this so they were like, hey, we gon we gon we gon we gon get you this this money. You're going to cut our hair for free and you gonna pay us back monthly. I gave them four monthly installments, man, and they will not cast the check to this day. That's eight years ago. There is not cash the check and they there's almost like the advantage because I don't even talk to them no more. They act like they gone. What was one of the name Michael that is not hurt him. But I say that when you follow your passion and you and you doing what your perky, you know fall in fulfilling your purpose, there's always going to be provisioned as made for you. You know, I'm saying and like whether it's like you getting out there and going after or things coming to you. You can't be lazy though. You got to go after what you what you what you want. But at the end of the day, you know, I try to build a brand that's you know, respectable people, you know, just respect what I was doing and it was like they wanted to see me go go to the next level, you know, I mean, so that's That was that was the first thing to get that shot. Yeah, but the hair unit stuff man. That was as a prayer. That was a young lady at the shop, you know after after a while. I got the shop or whatever. I have people in there had a whole team and everything she came in there. It was like pulling our hair out the bag like afro hair and was adding it to she was she was a lot Titian. So she was added to to people's locks and I was like man, I even know they sold at type of here. So from there, it was like a light bulb went off and I was like, all right. We got to do this for God. Guys, that's that's losing their hair, you know, and I didn't know it at the time but it just started becoming the thing and then it's like now I'm able to you know, make you know, a lot of money off of one person as opposed to that me cutting one cutting all day and only made six $700. I can make that off of one person now. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that you say you said something I was interested if we could just go back to the barbershop conversations. He said that unless you have a commission you can't leave make money in a barbershop, right? So there's two the two different types of bills miles of barbershops right rent and commission is that you explain all the rent. Obviously, it's like you have five Barbers and they're paying you here read it five dollars a month or something like that. Yeah. What's the commission model you can imagine is you getting a piece of every person that walked through that door. So every time I get a cut you get a beat-up you actually get a cut I get a percentage of that of that. Yes. So as a business owner for a barber shop and a lot of people but I want my own shot one my own shop now, it's cool to have a shop just for the look. That's what you just want. You don't want me. No money like you just wanted to pay for itself. All right, that's what you want. All right, cool. But if you if you really trying to profit as a business owner, you have to either have a big shop that has a lot of chairs in there. There's a lot of people paying Booth rent or you got to have a commission based model now for my first two I did not do that. I did you know who friend and so they paid for this so I told my boys all the time. So I feel like I got to community centers. But yeah, I was like what? The same time I'm being able to help others and I feel like that's why I'm getting blessed now because I imparted I help other people give get money. I mean II as mad Bob is that him I shop I train them now they got their own spots and stuff like that. So it's cool. But I said my next time I'm you know, I got to make you know, thinking more business-minded. So in these last maybe I would say two to three years man. I've really been trying to build systems and put systems in place that make money for me in my sleep. So that's where I got the book. That's why I got the oil. Online classes. That's why I have you know the network. I have a referral Network way I send out Barbara's. I mean I send out people have taken my class. I send out clients to you, you know I'm saying and so I take a percentage of that. They just Building Systems and Building Things, you know, I just always been trying to just multiple streams of income multiple strange man. You said you said something very interesting, right? So in a w/w hair loss right at the time you had a client a celebrity kind that kind of change the way for you because what you're saying now is Obviously you've branded yourself. Yeah, you said little mole. Yeah pay a big party and you realizing that man something little I thought yeah, how did that happen? So it's funny shout out to my boy Elliot and I did a cut on him and she saw it and she was like who cut your head and I was stealing barber school at the time. She was coming to barber school, you know, and it was crazy. Everybody's like yellow more at your bar at the bottom like put it on me Thomas a little bit after now I was after let's get married. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that was still pretty much a hit for you know it Tom and so I'm lucky star struck and I never loved at that point. I was like yo, this is crazy. I'm shaking. So I start cutting the singers background dancers and all that stuff or whatever and then we should start traveling. She start introducing me. She I'm at baby Lil Wayne did he like mad people are so I cut On Dixon through her and then from there is to start growing Ireland Legend and I'm an urban legend. And so yeah, then I start I got connected with somebody I BT and I started doing like a lot of the BET events and BET Awards and stuff like that from guys. So, all right. So the barbershop right you were saying that so for the units is anywhere from like 200 to 800. Yeah, but here it could be a little more than that depending on how severe. Well if you save your wife. Getting a custom unit that's going to be run by 9:00 or so. So that's mean you can't grow nothing. I got the whole joint piece. Yeah. So yeah, and if you want to dress it just get it get up there but so support for a bar of soap for a haircut. It was like, well the average barber in New York $25 right Savage Savage kids. So I always wanted I always wanted like you see you standing up all day, too. Yes. I got it. Probably lots of people don't realize that he's standing up all day. And you work on Saturdays you work on Friday nights, you know really have a good schedule as a barber and you work nights a lot of times and you're not really making that much money if you think about it, even if you have 15, that's a lot because that's like, you know, it's like 15 hours times at times 25. That's not a lot of money. Yeah. So you gotta do it every day. Everybody's not gonna cut every single. Yeah. So now you transition to the units Now I want to say some room. Alright, so before I was even doing units as I was I was cutting I was going to kick us pretty much from about 30 35 dollars a hit. Right, but and I tell about was all the time you have to promote yourself and bringing some I was already making six figures before I even started doing any units how because I was cutting all day. I was put I wasn't lazy liquor. I'll be in there from 8 o'clock the 1 2 3 o'clock in the morning. No, I'm saying I heard this model the other day shoutout to mg. He was saying that he got there's a So rate, if you get it after eight o'clock, you do something like that. I would do some I would do that. Sometimes the 25 out of cut if you got to come like on a 9:30 at night like that's gonna cost you 15. Yeah, but I also was heavy for this to note this. I was also doing the Beijing Beijing Beijing Beijing. Harrison and I had man clients that that would tip because I only do appointments. I wasn't doing walk-ins so they would give me $20 tips and stuff like that. I mean so at the end of the day, you know, you add that up, you know, and so yeah and selling products because we got to think you got to think about you know, a lot of Barbers don't sell their concert party. They trust you you are calling you every week. I trust what you were going to tell me to buy for my head like so you got dry scalp or shampoo moisturize. He's in pain. He's different stuff like that do-rags brushes. Yeah, if you were going to buy from you because you didn't bother I feel like most convenient every bottle. I think that I've encountered is only looked at it as being a barber like they never they're not here specialist:yeah both naive and nice like a lot from Arts business man. That's like what you said just makes so much sense, but it's not times people don't think about it. Like if I'm already if you're going to come to me every Sunday to get your hair cut. Why are you going to go to CVS to get shampoo? You might as well get your shampoo and conditioner and Here Greece from me I buy a wholesale and I can make a profit off of that. That's another income that you've scaled. Exactly. So you're already making six figures as a barber. Yeah before the but then you just realized it was just too much manual latest for the amount of money. Yeah. I actually got to the point man. Well, I was losing time with my family. Like I went through a divorce and I stuck and part of that we will help break us up was because I was always working. No I'm saying my mother to this day has a she we working on it, but she had she was very upset with me because cuz I spent so much time working. I wasn't there for her when she went through the cancer like she wanted me to you know, I'm saying and so like it's a I spent a lot of time grinding but at the same time like okay, I can't spend all day at the shop, especially when you going to have a family, you know kids and all that stuff or whatever. So yeah the whole making more off of each person is all right. So now we're gonna go into the next time we're going to talk about how you how you blew up and get transition to where you are now for sure. Ernest you currently paying off student loan debt interested in improving your financial literacy are looking for new ways to earn income and today's ever-changing digital landscape. Well on the talk money with the mesh lakhani podcast mesh will follow Paper Trails chat with experts break down complex ideas and bring Clarity to the mystical Financial phenomenon. Each episode will be filled with compelling stories covering a broad range of subjects from buying Bitcoin dealing with student loan debt and everything in between. Solution to talk money with mesh lakhani on Spotify or wherever you listen to your favorite podcast and learn how to spend invest in learn in today's economy. Alright, so now we're going to go into. All right, so you found out about the unit's right. How did you find out about it? Well from from young lady but was that yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She actually just went and got his license she out here cutting out too far down. This is nice. Hey, so know what so what happened was, you know, she gave me some advice on some stuff, but then I had to go and take a look. The class with a do in Atlanta named nail styles. So everybody couldn't give you know, everybody couldn't get the the so in thing, so I went and did the quick Wii version with him and then I went to another leading lady named Tony love and learn her technique and different things like that. So it was like, but then I had to get back home and do a lot of trial and error like, you know, so at the end of the day like I educated myself in different arenas for different things and then I kind of created my own Own out of that, you know, and so that's how I kind of got introduced to that whole world. Okay, so all right, but we're really blew you up is that you you also a good marketer as well, right? So at what point because you are like a hundred forty thousand followers Instagram. Yeah, my dad, so, all right. So you start to at what? All right, so you start to implement it in your business. Can you talk about that like the beginning stages? Like what was your marketing plan? Because now it's acceptable but people was kind of I assume a little hesitant about that. So like what was your marketing? As far as like to get it out there but consistency is everything, you know, and I think that you know, when I first put it out there yeah, it was talked about but at the same time there was a lot of people like sliding them ideas. Like how what's that what yeah, I get that. Was that the wizard? Yeah wizard of DC anything you put you present the people and keep it in there and therefore in there in the site. It becomes normalized after a while. You know, I'm saying you keep you keep putting in front of them. It's like, all right, you know, it's not it's not so bad and over time. Um, it just was like, alright, I'm at right now. And so it just something that just kind of grew for so what okay, but and also the like trying to just promote and put quality work up, you know, so that I mean consistency and having quality is going bring value to whatever you doing now. I love what you said because that's so true and people don't fully understand it. It's like As long as you're consistent people will buy in. Yeah, eventually happens all the time. It's like even music like you might not like us song but you hear it enough and it's not that bad to you anymore or food you start to eat a food enough and it's like, okay and it's like people they always stayed they might laugh at it at first but now it's not funny anymore. Yeah because it's like your favorite celebrity got it. Yeah, and it's like, oh well sure I was gonna say it's like there's a certain kind of tension that comes with men that are doing this but we've been seeing are women doing this for years well, I'm glad you said that because we get stranded real 2.5 billion dollars was spent last year on women's weaves extensions and wigs black women just black but with so 2.5 billion and might even be more than that, but it's a huge industry. So to see it now on the men's side and they say like almost I think 60 or 70 percent of black men experienced some form of hair loss after 30 something like that. Yeah, so it's very common. Let's comment. I mean I haven't got kids. Kids man, I got people as young as 12 years old like those and yeah alopecia, you know, whatever, you know different things man. Just happening. It's just it's a big thing. So when did it take off for you? Like when did you really start to hit his stride? I would say last year like the beginning of last year's r18. Yeah, 18 it really it really took off to the next level. It was like a gradual, you know, it was a gradual scale, but you know last year Probably when it really went off but what made it like really gone to pot. I mean, I think the more repost I got like whether it was World style or you know, those those repost apps, I mean Pages or whatever then then when Vice news HBO and all that happened. It just went to that next level was like viral adapt. How did you get the Press? Like, how did you did you pay for that post actually publicist? No. No, actually, I got a publicist after that but so from I guess the people from Vice they were looking for you know, some new stories. I don't know how they got me. I think one of my guys in New York John Cotton it at says something to them. I'm not sure exactly who how happened but they were doing a story on on the head unit because they saw it online and so me being one of the Pioneers for it. They hit me up and was like, hey we want to do this documentary on you now. Do you have to come up with a technique to actually get this done? Right? I'm sure. Like when you first tried it was like well that didn't work. How long will the process before you like? You know what I've perfected this man. I mean I did I started about five years ago with this. So I mean, I'm really just getting to lies 3 2 to 3 years. I'm actually just starting get to the point where I'm super confident with it because it's still there were still a lot of unknowns even as I was progressing and getting more popular for it. They were still things I'm like, you know still trying to figure it out. You know I'm saying. - yeah, and as a Barbie anybody would tell you man, I don't care you you've been growing even and this is when you stop growing that's what you need to be scared. But as a barber uses you learn different techniques all the time, you know, it's different things all the time. And then you stop growing then it's a wrap for you know, they had to keep growing and what you said is just not even just Barbara's just in life in general Vibe any any type of business you always have to sharpen your Tunas the business podcast and it goes for anybody that's listening no matter what profession you're in. And you can never be complacent. Yeah, because there's always new technology. There's always something new and this is a prime example. Yeah, you gotta stay on point. But also I want people to understand is like see the catchy headline that I think it's like any parties like you made it half a million dollars last year, you know doing man units but that's not that doesn't tell the whole story because you scaled the business so you teach classes. Yeah, right. Yeah, so can you talk about that? Yeah. Yeah. So I Do I Do classes I started doing the classes probably about a year. After I really started doing my first unit because it was once I was poised. I was posting on social media and people like man, please teach me teach me what you doing, you know, and I do my classes because there was one particular person that was doing the the units before me and they were they were doing pretty well with them whatever but they would not teach me and they yeah. Yeah for whatever reason I asked twice they occur because I know so I start doing the classroom because I didn't want to I didn't want people hit me up and I'm curve. Right now I'm not teaching you just got me trying to Corner the market and I'm like man not you can't be blessed like that. So I'm like man anything I got I'm going to share it and when you I was listen to dr. Myles Munroe, I don't know if you guys know who he is, but he's deceased now, but one of the one of the best motivational speakers that ever lived I feel like you know, but anyway he was talking about if you have a talent man how many people have you cultivated? How many people have you trained to be better than you if not, Like you but better than you, you know, I'm saying like that that shows you that shows your impact. You know, I mean and I want to leave a legacy man. I don't want to just yeah. Well, he's he was a good father. Oh, he did good with them units but not want to leave some people back that's going to keep this thing going, you know, I mean, so you gotta train people and cultivate other people man. I'm not I'm not intimidated like by other people's gifting so I'm always going to help other people to get to that next level or go go further than the sound like like some of our guests man, and it's a valuable lesson. Is Indian entrepreneurs, how do you replicate yourself? Yeah, you got to have the quicker. You can do that in the quickly discuss. Well, also, we just had a episode we talked about multiple streams of income and we were saying a lot of misconception or a lot of people is that they think they need seven different occupations are seven different businesses to create seven streams of income. But it's like we always say you don't really need you just need one thing that you do really well and then branches off of that. So so if like for you and correct me if I'm wrong. So like you got the you got the barbershop, right? Right, that's like where it all started at. So that's it. That's always going to be a stream of income. And then you have now you have multiple barber shops. So you get paid from Barbara's that are in your shop, right? Yeah. So that's that's two streams of income the barbershop you getting paid for The Barbers you you actually cut here and put in the units yourself, right? But now you teach classes. Yeah. So that's for you wrote a book. That's five. Don't forget the products sell products. That's six. That's crazy. Right like if you if you think about it, right like you're actually putting the products. That you have to use to keep the upkeep. Yeah on the unit and then you actually the people that you train you said you synclines to them sometimes when you get a commission off of that. Yeah, so that's seven string. Oh, there's another one because you have relationships with brains. Yeah. Oh, yeah Palmer's and Shea butter is a Walmart. Yeah, there's another stream but it is what it all comes back to one thing. Yeah. I mean it was forgotten. Yeah. You know just people just met people there was one guy named Amar. He you know, he has those relationships with Walmart and he was like bro, you know, I'm a connect you with these people and they saw what I was doing and it was like, oh, we love them. You know, we loved your presentation online, you know, we want you to work with us and so being professional like trying to be professional when I like that first initial time that I work with Walmart. You know, they love the My Vibe. They love you know, what I was doing. I try to be professional, you know present represent, you know the correct way and they just kept hiring me and then they're just branched out to other things and then so you promote one product other people other products and sponsors of seeing you online too and I only want you to help, you know, people want to spend more time with people spending money, but that's what I love about social media to is like before social media celebrities were only musicians and actors. Yep, and you know celebrity tons. Yeah athletes things of that nature. But now you could be a celebrity Barber you could be a celebrity teacher. You could be a celebrity real estate broker. You can even be a celebrity podcast. Yeah, but it's because it's like now Brands will pay you to post on social media and you can do ad campaigns and it's like that would have never happened before the power social media. So I always say social medias like the great equalizer and if used properly yeah. Has a lot of power it does has a lot of power. I know I know my brand is not is only where it is because of God and social media. Honestly like the real I mean you you can make a post and people all over the world can see the giant like in the matter of minutes. So it's like man like that it can you get like what it is you talk about especially in Brandon is changing the terminology of the Hair Care industry, right? So like and you know when we talk is like yo your wig got push back your head like yeah, like you'd like just saying like yo, That is the area of recession even the cranial piece. Like is that a conscious effort that you made? Yeah, just stigma. Yeah. I had to I have to because I mean people and that's all people in my even in my classes because your terminology and what you call something can turn personal awful it can put an oil can be like, oh, yeah, that's cool. You know, I mean, so I think you know how we how we represent things and how we talk about it is Big, you know, we are visual people. We are people that you know, the way you talk about something it You know it gets in it gets in you and your soul. It's in your spirit for real and it you know how we represented. I think this is everything, you know, no that's not something that I learned early on. I'm a financial advisor and like even early on we're going to different social classes off like that. I learned that language is extremely important. Yeah, it's extremely important. So like a lot of times like you'll say like, let's say one product is $100. Another product is $50 right instead of saying this one is more expensive. It's richer you say is richer Rich. If you want to be represented by saying is Richard, it makes it seem like it has a higher quality and now you're more enthused to pay $400 instead of 50. If I said this is more expensive. Of course, you're gonna go with a cheap item which actually trained so yeah, it's very true is there that's another that's another business gym for people to understand is like be careful how you speak and be careful how you describe things because like you could really sell anything. Uh, if you if you describe it correctly, you know, I mean, it's all it's all about in the wording. So but one thing we got going to the next to the last time before we do I wanted to ask you a question because I see this now a lot of Barbers are following this trend where I looked on your your link tree and it's like you only work by appointments, right? That's all I don't got time for walking for the nonsense, right? So that's absolutely that you're not trying to talk about who the best basketball player is. I know all business. Yeah. I got a things to worry about. I'm glad I'm glad Barbara's really Implement that and I hope more do because it sets it sets up professional Trend right? And can you talk about that like how because now even people? I'm sure they look at you different. They're respect you're talking people come late people. They do all kinds of stuff. So I really see it as a benefit obviously being well I cut my own hair now it's all right, but having children and having to sit around and wait, yeah is nothing like you got a four-year-old and you got to wait six people before you get a kid like we're done. But he's in your chair. Well, I only I only go through Thursday night shout to my barber bubs bubs what I can't play I can't play a game. I don't have time to hear you lying on Saturday morning about no you just want to do that you lose track of who came first and then it's just like a whole bunch of water story. It's like I'm gonna let you in front. Yeah, so so when did you realize that you had to structure and run your business? Like a business not just like a side hustle type of I'm having a holy bro. When I first started got our barber school II experience where I was doing some Walkins and stuff like that and I hated the fact that people was jangling keys because I'm you know of doing there was jittery because I've been waiting long and stuff like that and make my nerves bad. Okay, I can't About of barber school, maybe two or three months and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna do the appointment thing and I started just having people eat. I first started with the book Because all these booking apps without like then and so I started with like your schedule book y'all making appointments. That's not that's that or whatever then we did. The I think this sling was the the next thing that I went on but it set it just helps so much people going to texting me like they can just go online online and just make the appointment but then you you know at that time it was a lot of people that was like, Oh, no, I ain't trying to do that. Like imma just call you. I'm just text you didn't want to go through the numbers actually. Yeah, so but now it's getting to the point where a lot of people is a lot of Barbers are doing it and it's just it's such you apartment it's professional. You don't have to have to have people texting you at all times of the night people. Just go on your on your website and just book whatever is open and they pay before him and it paid they put a credit card. Yeah for the card easy beforehand tells you to tell you everything exactly all they gotta guess to know saying it's you know, Professionalism is going to set you apart, you know from being the the regular, you know Barbara from around the way you go into that next level. So it's like going to the dentist. You just don't randomly go to the dentist coming. You got to make an appointment ribs walking around. Yeah, exactly. I'll get you when I get to you. All right. So the last thing we're going to talk about scaling and where we go from here to 2020 and 2021 2020. 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And that's another thing too is like you've you've created multiple streams of income you've elevated yourself, but now the next step in any business has to be how do you like? How do you expand it? Because it's another thing when you can be complacent in business. So what's the scaling model for you moving forward? Well now it's mostly like I'm doing the Atlanta location, you know and building shops that you know, We're not doing the mobile front shocks. But yeah, just building having locations and commission commission shop Mission shops. Yeah, and also just building this building the brand and not just being a Maryland thing but different regions different countries different. Did you like that? Did you choose Atlanta intentionally, I feel like that is it like the Hub of black here, correct. So I went off of where my my big markets are. So Atlanta is a big one for me in New York is a big one for me. And then you know, I plan to go to La Houston dif different places like that. So being strategic and where I placed it understanding my markets, you know, I mean, so that's why Lana that's why you have the master class, right? So that's one way that you also scaling it says that you have over 500 students. How does that work? Do they come to Atlanta to they come to DC and well what happens so it depends most of my classes are based in the DNA. MV but I do too is here in there. I'm workin for my working on my 2022 right now. I did one this year in 2019. I went to Barbados someone to Canada. I went to man every pretty much I went I was in Georgia. I was in New York, Ohio Chicago different places like that, you know, I mean and so just set the tour out and set the dates are and people just like, you know, they signed up and we their Florida the Florida as well what happened so when we get there Was in are you like now in this how to sew I do a lecture and talk about you know, I it's because it's different terms of different things Insurance options. So people if somebody wanted to savings you want to get one you want to get one but you want to use your insurance to get it. I teach people how to accept Insurance. Oh how to do that that type of thing as Publishers. Yeah. Wow, because it's health insurance covers. This song was playing coverage so that everybody's if I have like alopecia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's alopecia now absolute value alopecia cancer or something, you know, like a sickness that cause you to lose what is alopecia so is when people lose their hair because it's different. Yeah, it's hair loss. But it's like different types of alopecia you have scarring on the PC where that leaves scars alopecia areata was like in different spots spots, right? Yeah, so it's different. It's different types of I wasn't even thinking about that. Yeah from a healthcare standpoint like yeah, we took we deal with that and Actually do live models when I show them how to put the piece on didn't make the make some of units we make some of the units in class man. It covers a lot man and a lot of one day and one day it's like a 67 our class A lot of people do like man. This is the best class I ever ever taken. So I mean that's cool, you know for me and one of the things that these units do obviously, you know, it's a transformative look but the testimonials that I saw me how Total is about that man. Nice. Is it literally, you know because I'm not only do men but I also do women I'd be having Brothers about tear up. You know, I'm like man. I see my hair since I was 16 like, you know and wives even commenting always sending me messages man, you know, thank you because my husband had PTSD and was depressed for a long time and now because he has hair his confidence has gone up and now he's taking me out on dates like, you know, thank you because he treat me better now, you know, I mean different stuff like that. One lady the other week. I think she has cancer something. She didn't tell me exactly what was going on. But I know something and she got our unit down and started crying man. Like she had me tearing up. I was like bro. This is crazy. Like she was like, this is the most beautiful I've ever felt in my life. You know, I mean her daughter like like do you know like the Heathen cry like, you know saying like hey, yeah, I'm like crazy. But you know, it's lives that are impacted, you know from this just from Heaven Hair man there. Hair is a big thing. A lot of people, you know, it's big and so being able to you know, fulfill my purpose man. It's like so fulfilling and even when I'm like talking to other Barbers and just people just in general like cuz that's people that be like man I watching what you doing. You inspire me you and motivating me. That's the fuel that I keep me going because people like man you you know, you never sit still but it's like I can't because it's so many lives and so many people that's been touched, you know, and I just want I want to make my impact while I'm here man like I gotta make sure I do all I can. While I'm still living I want to be just wasting time and just being you know, I'll take time for myself to toe. You know, I take vacations. I travel a lot. Like I just came back from Israel's like I was in China the other week like that something is that something you have to learn because obviously you said in the past. Yeah. Sure sure these last couple years man. I've been I've been learning that and I just stopped a little bit but for this pretty much this whole year, I was thinking the one week off every month, you know, just to kind of give my gun myself that balance, you know, just a ruse. AA weather is taking a trip for a couple days come right back. Like, you know, I mean just go sit on the beach relax different things like that. Let me ask you this. All right. So how does the commission system work? Like it's like 20% for every single person that walks in the door. It's whatever percentage you make it now don't don't rape the people man. You can't you can't stuff it. What's a fair percentage? It depends on the for Barbara So Barbara as well because he depends on how much your price levels are. So savings is like If and a lot of times if you're going to do commission, you need to provide the people with the products to so if I savings if I'm if I'm do 50/50. I'm a provide you with the hair. I'm gonna provide you with the products that you need to carry it out. You just you win at that point because I'm giving you clients, you know, I mean, even these like bubbles and haircutter e and you know, those those type of salons and barbershops like that even what's the one guy? I forgot it. But anyway, there's a lot of shops that do. Those chain shops, they all like commission-based without solid able to sustain its like what's the big one Supercuts? Yeah. You got Supercuts. Yeah. I know guys. It's another giant that forgot about but anyway, yeah, man, that's that's how they able to keep those models going and they have franchise now, they have different locations all over the world because they're doing that, you know, and it's just now I will say a lot of Barbara's especially in our community tend to shy away from Commission because it's more responsibility on your end now, yeah, No, but as opposed to just coming and showing up good-looking Booth rent. No, but now you got to do some stuff you gotta promote. You got to provide the product and then some case you gotta pay taxes for them because now they are employees depending on how you set it up. You know, I mean, but when you say provide the product so I mean service your product. Yeah. So whether I'm providing the hair right adhesives that's needed for it. But you have your own hit the unit like you make it as it like because I know some of my make myself but yeah I have Then I using stuff like that. But yeah for sure I was I was that because like vendors I know a lot people get their here from vendors. Now, you said that units cause between 200 to 600 dollars, right? But on average. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, but there's another close to the maintenance part of it. Yeah, it'll be don't know about that. So it depends on which unit you have. So there's there's levels to it man. But if you got the the one or two month unit, you know the maintenance could range from Fifty to a hundred dollars or so, but then if you don't know three to four-month unit you got the the maintenance is usually I charge anywhere from two to 250 or so. And that's you come every once a month or there's some people that just come once every two months they all depends. You know, you still getting Cuts while you have it right? Yeah. Yeah, you can still get in Cuts. Yeah, but so I'm at the point now, I can't really cut everybody that comes and get the unit. So I send them to my barber's or I send them out to the people in my network as a lot of people fly in to come get this service so you can cinch I got like last week. I had people from Chicago from South Carolina Canada different places like that. So that's why I try to build a network so big that I have people that I've taught in different states have different cities. So like Super Cuts and all that. I just thought about something they're charging commission or even you you charging commission. How do you track who how many people coming in like, you're not there every day? I cameras receptionist or receptionist. Okay. Yeah. It's definitely a lot of businesses. So now you're running like a real business. They check they come in they check in is a book log of who came in. Yeah what they got done. So we're not just winging it like I contagious be like, oh, yeah, bro. I only cut five but they cut in. Yeah, we got the camera on you. Yeah, interesting. Okay, and that's do you think that that's the business model moving forward for Barbers to like really be successful Barbershop owner Barbershop owner. Yes be successful. Yes. And it is good for people that's just starting off and they don't have a lot of clientele. Now. A lot of people are stabbed like a lot of bars are stars that are established already. They ain't going to no commission situation because they feel like you're going to take all their money. Yeah, but somebody that's trying to build and grow, you know, it's a perfect situation because you don't have to you know, pretty much me getting you clients. I'm gonna feed you pretty much and I'm a providing client in the training for you, you know, so can you go swimming with these units the three to four Young ones. I actually wanted the one or two months once you can as well then two to four week units don't mix this recording. Nah, you get what you pay for. Yeah for sure, but then it's like so say this is this is a thing. I tried to tell you even if even if because it looks like it's yours. It's not the thing is if you keep up with the maintenance you find but there are some people that do not keep it with the maintenance and it's so if it's if it's already lifting a little bit for you. Now water I would say it's gloomy. Let me ask you this. I'll do it for thank you wiggle have cited for Barbie. Black Barbie specifically. Is there any way because there's any way for them to kind of make the money that you make without doing the units like can you make that kind of money just being a regular barber shop owner? No, probably not owner possibly. Yes, if you have like a lot of different locations versions. Yeah, but it's hard you just a barber now. You need to have a hot some type of high ticket price. I don't know. Nothing. Yeah, you got it. Can't be a gotta be more than $40. Yeah you 25 $40 knock. That's the hot towels not gonna be now you can make six figures but not multiple six-figure low six figures. Yeah most most like a hundred thousand. Yeah. So this is this is the way this is this is the business model moving forward gotta get into this guy get it they gotta get into it. Yeah, I'll figure out they got take your class. They do. Hey Shameless plug, we only try to help all of them. We only try to help out on that. So if y'all see me out there with it what a unit I don't want you to laugh. Just know that way did it? All right. So yeah when you said previously I don't know where I thought about this question just came out of nowhere, but you said you said previously that it was two business models, but There's a membership model, you know about that the membership model. So people pay a monthly membership to be a part of my network. So you can either be a part of the network where I send you clients or you can be a part of my mentorship. So it's two different prices for that. And then there's a fee when I actually send you a client I get paid off the first visit. I don't take I'm trying to be greedy only pay you only pay me the first visit that I seen you say since a fan since I seen you, you know Go to and and they give me 50% of the service that one time but now that shit client forever. You know, I mean, it's a good time. It's a tester. All right, because what I didn't like you if you didn't like it, yeah, then isn't that dad's name is on Allah ya facts facts facts facts facts. I've had I've had that happen once so far yet to barber shops have memberships like Jim's like can you be like I thought that's interesting. Yeah. So is that what I'll call wash? It was like a subscription for my car wash where like I feel like $40 and I can go like anytime I want. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I have Do they have like you pay $500 but you can get as many haircut since you weren't there are some people that do that how you feel about that, you know, cause they'll abusive. Yeah of you mean every other day. It's like if I don't know where I'm going to be at the rest of the time like I don't even know like next week I could get a car. You gotta go somewhere. I don't like now my clients and know what I do also notice it much. Are they pay a deposit? So sentence is this if the service is 650 that the client is paying like 260 deposit. For a even show up so adding a lot of that does kind of lock me in so I have to plan my life around get it. Yeah, I had to talk like what how long does it take to get it done? So it takes me about an hour to hour and a half each head. That's typical. Yeah, just like could you imagine well because I hate it when I first started it was like three hours but now because I'm so used to doing it. Yeah. It's about an hour to an hour and a half. How many days in how many days a week do you cut? I mean, I mean like not cut but you can only cut one day I want to cut Fridays, but how many ways? You do units. So sometimes on Mondays, but mostly just Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday. Okay, so I do policy 67 people sometimes eight a day a day surprise all day pretty much. Yeah. So you're off traditional Sunday and Monday Barbershop days off. Yes, and it's Sunday and most Monday's lot of farmers take Monday. So I never understood like nobody works for everyone, you know we get so they got away. All right. We pleasure pleasure. Thank you for dropping Jim's on is how can the people contact you information on your on your shops information on the classes all that social media handles. All social media handles way the barber way. The barber.com is my website. All information is always there for the classes or whatever I got going on. So yeah Instagram is probably the the probably if you don't go on a website Instagrams by the next page, you know Facebook. I'm I'm working with my Facebook my Facebook post to Facebook from Instagram. So okay. Yeah way to Barbara all social media social media Outlets scuse me. Don't don't don't Troy housekeeping items. Yeah, man. Shout out to everybody on patreon.com. We actually just ran into a bunch of our patrons and I'll event man shout to everybody that came through from patreon and all our new members. I actually spoke to a few of them today and that was dope because they've been connecting with us and now we get to see us in real present like so glad you came to deal. The shout to them as you know, that's how proud to pay program. We have five different tiers. So feel free to join at any just know that at tier 4 and 5 you have access to eyl University as you see that we are wearing some new merch today. We got the eyl university merged as and hit the streets here, but it will be by the time you hear this. So make sure to go support that and stay in tuned for our Monday webinars on Wednesday webinars and Thursday floating webinar. We try to figure out which day is going to be there Friday, but Three times a week man were given out classes and webinars are different types of business and real estate. So stay tuned for that. And what else we got, man. Yeah. Well you by universities want to double down on that. Once again, if you're not familiar, I said educational portal that we have and we do three live classes every single week, but different presenters on different topics and is a zoom class so you can interact with the presenters and it's really it's really don't want thing about the podcast. We establish really great relationships with people and you know, they be Our friends and they teach classes for they do workshops for so it's really know and here we just we just we just finished up our second Workshop that we that we did for the year and we're doing our live podcast some all that's going to be crazy. And once again, we hitting the road we taking this dish on the road. So January 25th, January 26, hopefully you've ever met she might be up by the time this podcast comes out. If not very soon. 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One of the most requested industries that we haven't covered yet is the male haircare business. Barbershops are a staple in every community especially in black communities worldwide. Before we did an episode on barbershops and hair entrepreneurs we wanted to make sure we had the right person to talk to. Wade Menendez aka Wade the Barber is a world-renown master barber and stylist, he became a rockstar in the male hair care industry by mastering a technic called cranial prosthesis aka ”the man unit” or “the man weave”. The man unit is a hairpiece for balding men that can last for up to several months. The units have skyrocketed his business, he earned over $500,000 last year and has surpassed that in 2019. He has multiple streams of income from his barber business which include teaching classes to other barbers on how to install the units, he also sells products and has several brand partnerships. He has scaled one of the most common small businesses in any community into a multi-level million dollar operation. In episode 52 Wade broke down his business model, explained how he created multiple streams of income from his root business and gave insight on how barbers and other small business owners can become profitable by growing laterally. Guest IG: @wadethebarber Book Tip: The Success Factor: 12 Keys To Help You Win In Life --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app · Talk Money With Mesh Lakhani Podcast: On The Talk Money with Mesh Lakhani podcast, Mesh will follow paper trails, chat with experts, and break down complex ideas to bring clarity to the mystical financial phenomena behind your finances.

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We're talking all about it here on Bachelorette a pre-show you are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now let the ladies and gentlemen, welcome to better after Sjogren's AfterBuzz TV Ranae and I are doing our best to be Susie aesthetic because we love this show I love this show but I don't know if we love this episode right now. I need it this episode very much what happens I'm nothing. That is the problem. We're not alone. We'll get into it later the episode but Bachelor nation is not happy. I didn't think anything could surpass the hatred for Luke P this season we've seen online, but I think the producers might be getting more hate than Luke P has this whole season. Just how did this happen thankfully some stuff. Kind of happened before the catastrophe that was the last hour of this episode. But like whoever produced this needs to be fired and I hate saying that but like who who did who thought of this we'll get it. All of our thoughts are just a minute guys. We should introduce ourselves though before we just get on a soapbox. Oh, yeah guys, my name is Jeff Graham. Thank you so much for tuning in. This is AfterBuzz TV. If this is your first time tuning in we are the ESPN of TV talk and we are here every week to recap The Bachelorette this week. We're talking about episode 6 for those will see the When Eric was his calling this an episode feels generous, but I'm joined by the always hilarious and always on the ball, right Ariel the ball. Hey guys, it's Ranieri. Oh, thanks for tuning in every week. I tried to do what you did there because you always have a longer introduction than me. I always just say hey guys. Hey guys, it's Jeffrey Graham. Welcome back to AfterBuzz. Here's the question. Are we wasting more time on this panel or did ABC Waste more of our time on this episode truly? We could sit here the the entire episode tonight in total silence, and I think they would get more out of this more content that may be singing this tonight. Well, as you guys always kind of a two-parter, I would say the first part was in episode was an episode of television. It was mostly sorry. I'm just reading the chat y'all are cracking me up. It was mostly Petty drama where the guys argued about whether or not Luke's war or promised that he wouldn't bring up any of the guys names and the second half was truly and honestly a recap Some of which was insultingly the thing we had seen 20 minutes before it was recap for us. There's a TC actually think we're stupid because I know they recap the episode which mind you wasn't even a full episode every cops. Are they like? Um, are they do they know what happened in 5 episodes? Yes. Yes ABC we do. Well, what was crazy was not only were they recapping that but then they were like, well, let's get into the more serious part. And I got is it and I was just like are you kidding? Why are we talking about Hannah's acne? Like I mean great question. Truly. I feel like we'd look up who produced this whole episode of reject. It's just Chris Harrison's like first episode will be producing. He's like, I want to sit down with Hannah. Just getting to the nitty-gritty. Yeah, it was horrible. Okay. Well, we like some of it and you know, we always treat this week you guys know we love this show. Yeah, and the way we're going to have this right now, we are still super fans, but sometimes it's like your child let you down. Hungry just feel very disappointed by your behavior this week The Bachelorette. So that's why we're scolding you. Yeah, our kid like dropped out of school are kid dropped out of school this week and Guy high and couldn't remember what happened 20 minutes before I'm gonna get the chat up as red as pulling up the check because y'all are cracking us up this week. I need to experience this with everyone but let's start by talking about the episode as a whole so we catch right back up with Luke P. We don't know whether or not this is probably the most substantive part of The episode right? Yeah, we are just seeing more of Luke piece Behavior. I'll be interested to hear your take Renee but during the end of this one-on-one when Hannah is debating whether or not to give him the rose. It felt very much. Like Luke was just repeating what Hannah was saying to try to get her to give him the rose. That's literally what he's been doing this entire season, if you ever listen to what Luke P says, it's okay. For example, Hannah could be like, I just want someone who listens to me and is there for me and Luke goes out? I want to be someone who listens to you and is there for you and Hannah's like oh, like don't just say things. You want me to here it goes. I'm never gonna say you think that you just want to hear he literally said that and he's still wait Renee. Can you ask can you tell me that you want to see me get upset? I want to see you get upset Jeff. Wait a minute Renee. Yeah. I just want to yell. I'm just gonna yell right here. That's all I wanted. Do but he's studied. He's like one outside quick Google people upset need like they yell. Should I go back in and say I want to go I will say I don't I have a different take on you than look P. I think you are more with Bachelor Nation where you kind of feel like, he's Full Tilt psychopath. You have a different Take On Me than Luke PO, is it look at it and reverse it. I'm like, I hope so. I have a dip or I think you and loopy are very similar same person. He's my spirit. Taylor Swift and Luke here your two Heroes We're getting silly tonight because Bachelor because I just quickly, I'm sorry. I have to rent I do feel like the producers just flipped us a big ol middle finger tonight. Do they want the show to get can I don't know this wasn't nonsense. This was truly nuts. We're going to get to it and it's just okay. So what I was going to say is I think you're more on Bachelor Nation side of the coin where you kind of feel like, he's Full Tilt manipulator Full Tilt psychopath. You just gathered that I just kind of think he feels very Truly undeveloped an immature like it does feel like he doesn't operate on the same emotional level is as people and it's because when Hannah is like I just want to see you get upset. He's like compute must prove. I am able to get upset Hannah. I am someone who do who is able to do the thing of getting upset with you? That's what I'm telling you. He's like, he's either an alien a sociopath or child. Yeah. No, but if he's attract, I still think he's a sociopath he does not know how to communicate. Anna Kate at he any think he just repeat he's like a parrot. Mmm. He's a he's a douchey parrot Hannah says something and he just repeat the back there and he keeps the same like kind of confused look on his face and you're like, wow Renee Jeff. I feel like you say this every week because literally he doesn't do anything new. That's true. Anyway, there's nothing more for us to add like tonight. He was just classic Luke p and Hannah sticking around trying to do what she can do. Megan in the chat. Okay, Megan Megan Cattlemen good to see you. Thanks for tuning in. She is a after buzzer and it's good to see you. So frustrated moment for me was all of this and that but here's why I think Luke isn't like a crazy manipulator. Why because then he gets back to the house and he's like very Earnest and open and honest about what happened. He's like, well, it was a terrible one on one. I'm not sure she likes me. I didn't get a rose and it's like he doesn't get it. No, that's not what happened to have. Okay, help me out he want Back to the house and he's like, you know, yeah, it didn't go well, but then we ended up where we should be and I didn't get a rose, but she wants me to stay around. He really did like level back up like but I'm still here. What's up guys? Hey bet you thought she sent me home. She did it. Yeah, you know, yeah, I didn't personally I didn't quite interpret it that way. I just feel like he truly is on his own Planet. I'm more halion child less manipulative sociopath like an alien who watched like one season of the But I can do this. Yeah an alien who watched one season of people existing and was like I can imitate people got this is Luke be just doesn't understand why everyone's upset with him. He need someone in the face is like what I think it's hard for us not to laugh spent 20 minutes of our night. I wore a suit tonight and I know I watched Anna talk about hers in him markets for 20 minutes. Thank you. You have no alcohol. I had a pizza human egg sandwich. This is just I don't know what to say about that. Why should I just ripped his pants? We watched Anna trees birds around Circle told us. This was an episode this episode. Okay, but here's the thing. I will say during the scene when looking back from the date because Hannah for whatever. It still hasn't sent him home tried and then let him stay because he said he wants to yell get back to the house and all the boys are arguing with each other. I love have been more annoyed and happy to be single then in this episode. Well, let's talk about how it happened. Garrett was the first conversation which was a mistake because we saw a different side of Garrett tonight aside that I'm not loving but he might redeem himself will get to that but basically Garrett want to go off to Talk to Hannah and he was like, he's like, you know, I want to get to know you better and I want to have we're trying really hard guys. We're live. It's hard sometimes because the steps but such a flaming pile of garbage Okay, so Okay, okay before we get into our next stop we're gonna transition and then we're going to come back together. Okay. Wow. 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So Garrett the first thing that he does is talk to Hannah. They have a little conversation about making steps and moving forward, but then Garrett gets right into it and he's like now I apologize in advance for what I'm about to do doesn't make it. Okay. Garrett doesn't make it okay. He gets gossipy and it's like so before Luke left for the one-on-one. I made sure in front of We wanted to ask are you not going to bring any of us up? Then? Luke got back from the one-on-one and I made sure again to ask in front of everyone. Are you not going to be my name up and he said he did it. So Hannah I need you to tell me did Luke say anyone else is name. Like why did you what mate did he drink a lot that night? I'm confused why he thought that was a good idea. Who what producer was like, hey, you should double-check and make sure Luke didn't say anything about you guys. I was so disappointed because you know, I think Garretson cutie Cutie that can't kiss but I do think he's a cutie and it really bum me out that he went such a bad route this episode just like the episode itself. They both took a metaphoric. Everyone is at their worst tonight including us. We forgot how to host. Yep, and it it just escalated Hana right from the start. I think was trying to give Garrett the benefit of the doubt but you could tell she was already frustrated then they went back into the room and everyone's talking and Garrett brings it up with Luke and he's like, hey so bad. I talked to Mom. And mom says that you did say my name even though you said you didn't say my name and you swore you promised and then what got really frustrating was Garrett wouldn't let it go and he's like I mean and I actually again I'm not defending Luke for those of you guys are gonna come at me and you guys say I feel like they've truly were giving Luca chance to even try to defend himself. Maybe he didn't deserve that chance and granted. I think Luke is just as long-winded as Garrett, but I'm going to position from here from this point the episode. To the Rose ceremony. I'm going to position Guerin and Luke is equally annoying and Petty. I disagree with you. I think in this moment everyone was so so annoying but this is what I think it was I think when you're dealing with someone so incredibly frustrating and manipulative and idiotic like Lucas you kind of get to a point and they reach their point where they just couldn't have it anymore and it got to like the Patty stuff where someone I think people bring out your crazy. I think Luke P being as crazy as he is. He also brings out all the other crazy and this episode and that's why I think we saw tonight because imagine if you're dealing with someone so irrational or like someone just lies blatant lie to your face and it's fine when you I don't know if see them at work or see them at school, but what if you're living in a house with them all the time and they don't stop like I think they just reached their breaking point but watching on TV was hard because they all look like idiots. They all did let's talk. About the only people who I think come out unscathed this episode Peter definitely not Chris Harrison will get to that because he loved you want to come on the podcast. We will bring you and I truly as a host. I do think Chris Harrison's very very good at his job. Maybe we can recap the episode with alrighty cap the recap of this. I mean so Peter. Yes, I think handled himself really. Well, we'll talk about specifically why in a minute Connor. I think he stayed out of it and Dustin nose ring Dustin nose-ring Dustin. And yet I think that but other than that, everyone's not no one's looking very good right now. They were really annoying. Wait. You said Connor and Tyler? I did Owen Tyler. Thank you for the five Connor Tyler Judd Dustin and Peter come out unscathed and Kevin even though he left the show Kevin. I just can't I can't really with Kevin either. Yeah, to be honest. This wasn't even the kind of drama that I like on The Bachelor because it was just hard to watch the only parts that I found like what's going to happen with one hand. I came in the room. And the fact she had to come in twice was just a lot. It's just awkward. It's like cringy. Well, let's talk about Hannah's Behavior. Do you think she handled herself? Well, amidst all the petty immature drama. So I'm going to go back to what I was telling you off camera when we were watching it. So Hannah kept trying to make it clear to the guys. Like I know what I'm doing. I'm a grown-ass woman said that she said that ABC aired that's why I feel like I can stand on our podcast for fun. I'm a grown-ass woman. Then and you know like trust that I can I can make decisions for myself if Luke if I think Luke is about personal sent him home. But like you have to trust that I can make those kinds of decisions on my own but the way she was saying it considering no one came out her saying hey, I don't think you can make decisions by yourself Hannah. Let me help you makes me think this is actually an insecurity thing and then it goes back to last week's episode when she literally says, I don't want to like him but I do and again I do think we've all been there where we Like someone we know we shouldn't and were like oh God. I wish I didn't but like clearly when you're keeping them around and you know, they're not good for you. You're not making the best decision. So I think she's kind of projecting that onto the guys when they're fighting like this guy. It's not about them being like Hanna's making the wrong decisions if that guy stayed in his Lane with them and was just like a bad person or whatever. They want say anything. It's because he's annoying every person in the house and body slam someone on the Rugby field. Yeah. I think it was Really interesting point you brought up that on one hand Hannah showed a very encouraging and empowering sign of independent badassness right where she comes in she claims. She's a grown-ass woman and she handles the situation but her inability to bounce back from that might speak to a deeper and security. Yeah that she also deep down knows she doesn't trust her own judgment. She keeps telling the guys you need to trust me to make my own decisions, but the fact that she's so shaky and her foundation feels it's been cracked. So wide open in this situation you I think you might be right that deep down. She also doesn't trust her own judgment to make these decisions because otherwise it would have been a different scenario. She got very sensitive to it because she I know she already feels insecure about the fact she's kept Luke this long. I think she knows she might not be making the right decision. She's trying to follow her heart, but really it's like we can like people and think that they're the right way when deep down even deep down. We know that they're wrong for us and I think that's what we're watching play out. But like had she felt secure about keeping Luke around and her relationships in the house and making hard decisions. It would have been a different scenario should have walked him like you guys I can't with this arguing like I'm gonna head out like I'm making my own decisions, so I don't want you guys have drama on but like understand I need to do what's best for me and then she leave but she took it very very close to her heart. It was very sensitive to her. So because of that, I think I think it stems from her and own insecurities like trying to be like No, it's fine. I'm making the right choices when she know she's not. Well, she must have felt especially insecure because guys she thought were solid dudes really showed another face tonight including Garrett. And also we saw some shadiness from Devon and Dylan is that their names that was the other funny moment sheet of us. I do love when Devin the talent manager comes out and he's like Hannah when we're together. It's all about our relationship and Hannah's like, what's your name? Yeah, like who? It is that Devan or Dylan Evan. Is it Kevin got it. Cousin Kevin your Dustin Kevin, but it was funny and then Devon kind of got shot down. He's like Hannah I'll step in and she's like and then everyone could kind of tell this through all the guys really I was unimpressed by them because she's crying and she's upset for good reason and she brings up a good point. None of you know anything about me because they did kind of reveal themselves to be a little narcissistic tonight as on the majority not everyone but many of them and then she's crying in another room and none of them go after her. Her I think like that's the moment like Connor pilot Pete sweeps in and is like or Tyler. I know you want to guys like Tyler City still not a huge fan, but he's growing on me, but I think that's when you go and you say hey, do you want a shoulder to cry on and I agree with you and I'm surprised that no one learned from hate to say it Luke p and episode whatever one or two to probably two or three when Hannah is crying another time and leaves the room a separate time from from this time and Luke p After her and is there for her and that's what ultimately I think gets him a rose. Right? Was it first impressions night? And that might have been the first impression Rose. Yes. It was and I said it wouldn't have been unless he came after her so it's crazy. I mean given it's been about six weeks now, so maybe they all forgot. I mean ABC did think we forgot. Thankfully we did get a reminder of the entire season this episode. So people are forgetful. I'll never forget this episode. No, I'm not that freak out. A full anything else in terms of the actual episode to be honest. I was so bombarded by the recap like it's all gone. So stunned I have PTSD. I know that was just ridiculous. Yeah, I think that I mean who and home that's a great. Let's talk about the rose ceremony. Thank you. We will talk about the rose ceremony so selected to go through and the order is interesting to let's talk about this order because I feel like she's making a strong statement with the order sheet. These guys out because Connor comes out number one and poor Connor got shoved earlier in the episode. You guys saw what Hannah comes into the room on time. Number two. This is worth going back on your DVR and watching she's very objectively shoves him out of the way. We're all Connor did was sit there and talk like a surfer. That's all he does and leave some sticky notes around the place. So Connor gets called out first. He's really excited about it. He just wants to get her heart. And now we have Tyler see who know more precedence dress. And from Tyler we did get that tonight, but no more precedence. Stress and from him then comes Dustin very surprised about this didn't see that one coming did not see this one coming and I truly think she just shows Dustin because he stayed out of the drama. Yeah, but then she keeps two of them that were deep deep in the drama. That's true. So yeah, but Dustin's not making it much further. Yeah. Probably going to go home next week. God bless him. Then we get Peter pilot love him as we know it. By the way, you guys just saying from the get go I said, I just love something. Peter and mind you my my Peter didn't get involved in any of the drama. In fact, he handled himself. So well, I give him the rose of the night. Absolutely. I think Peter is slowly revealing to sell himself to be a front-runner and I think potential Bachelor. Yes, I would like to see Peters Bachelor and then of course the caption can be he'll fly you anywhere anywhere for Love on the wings of love ABC always became we'll get to that in a minute. Garrett gets called out next. Ex and she said it was some frustration. He hugged her and said something I assumed it was maybe like and I'm so sorry, but it was not captured yours. I swear. I'm right. He's wrong. So funny you guys can catch that moment Mike. Nope. Sorry, that was it. And then of course loopy also gets his man Jared what you Miss Garrett I said, yeah. Oh you just said she the one moment that was interesting here was Garrett does own up to the camera. Garrett says this is 100% my fault then it cuts to Luke and he says this is 100% moves for our Garrets fault. He's crazy doesn't look great for anyone for any sides the five who are off the hook who we already named only other notable moment. I was very You confused by Hannah's toast. Once again. What? Okay, by the way you guys this is what Jeff and I noticed Hannah does this thing where she'll say two things that mean the same thing but there were two differently like tonight. She was like, I feel enlightened and like my eyes are open and my theory on it is that she got so scared about that first toe she made on Kolten season that she promised herself from now on she's just going to start talking and whatever comes out. She's just praying it will end. Well, yeah and it rarely does. Well, it's funny because Hannah's actually really good at communicating when it's one-on-one and she's great at communicating to camera but when it comes to our toast, I am frequently very confused and I don't know how everyone else is doing. But well, I feel like when it's to camera she's produced like heavily produced but when it's a toast like that she's kind of on our own could be awkward to keep cutting him to wait. What do I say about the eye My Eyes Are Open? You know what? I mean? Yeah. For sure, we still love you Hannah and for the most part I liked the way you handled yourself tonight, but I need you to get your head on straight because then she starts sobbing to Chris Harrison and the next truly the next hour. She scold them after the rose ceremony, but I wish they'd go. Oh, yeah, do you accept this Rose? And then she thought that she was I am very disappointed and everyone tonight and I don't think any of you are my husband. Yeah, and they're like, we just I thought you just realized I don't want to be with any of you and I'm going to go now I liked it. Oh, me too, but it was like a cop. Me off guard kind of unprecedented. Yeah, there were some great moments this episode. We're going to say, oh that before I move on to part two this episode because we got to recap. I have a feeling. So if you guys ever listen to Chris Harrison do interviews, he just did a great interview on the ringers Bachelor recap podcast bachelor party with Juliet Littman's good podcast great interview with Chris Harrison, by the way, he gives us a lot of behind-the-scenes tea and dirt on what's happening this season. I sounded really cool. Thank you. He and dirt in my be like the dirt turned you want to hear the team. I tweeted to jacket. I'm trying to tell like I have a real you guys want us to Spill the tea tonight on The Bachelorette after show he talked about now. He's a producer. He's not only just the hose. He's also a producer and he put that producer hat on tonight and you could tell he was really here's my theory. I think behind the scenes Hannah had a freakout with production and was like, I truly can't do this anymore. I quit. And production was like the only problem with that is you signed a big-ass contract and we have five more weeks of this show to film and you need to get on the same page and then in a brainstorming session, I think maybe on paper it sounded nice for them to not only take the opportunity to get Hannah on board but also to film that and to see how it would play out. So not only this is recap but I think this was a chance to remind Hannah that she is liable for millions of dollars if she doesn't finish the season of The Bachelorette. Yeah there. Holding up behind the camera her contract - do what you want to over a million dollars was trying hard. She's like, yes, I will. I will stand the show and look for Love at one point when she said something was hard to answer it's because they're behind the camera. I don't know how to answer that. Let's let's heard shots being held Ransom the two dogs that are back home. He's Chris Chris kept being like it's clear you're upset if there's hope right, right and she's like, no, I don't think there's hope He's like but there's hope right. She's like, I don't know do you like but you can find love Ryan to just like yes, I think there is hope I think I can find love good. Good. Keep that keep that taken guys. Let's go again hard cut to Chris emerging from The Bachelor mansion with a tonight or good evening whenever it's a good evening, you know, you're in trouble you're like, oh and we had a good evening. We're about to take a very unusual move and recap recap recap the whole season, but this is what blows My mind is before this like when that then that portion of the episode ended before commercials, they're like next on The Bachelorette and they're like teasing this two-on-one with Garrett and Luminosity that why they're like No One's Gonna watch if we tell them what it really is. So let's just lie, that's literally what they did. Okay, so we write at Renee and I had a moment where we felt like we were particularly funny when you're recapping and Hannah's talking to cam and she goes I just feel like this is really skeezy and slimy and we're like, yes, abah. Exactly. Do we feel like this is really skeezy and slimy. It's all good. I mean, I don't want to complain too much. It was kind of fun to relive some of the moments of the season. Oh my God, wait, it all makes sense. Philly. BC always be cam cam is sleazy ABC. Wow our shadow. Oh dang. I wasn't even an English major quite a conspiracy theory. Let's talk about to keep it positive. What were some moments in this recap? That we liked by the bloopers were funny. Right? Right. You're under contract Renee. Um, listen, I gotta keep it real with you ABR always be Renee I are always be real just like Hannah. Yeah. I hated it. I did not find one of these here's what I'll tell you though. I was laughing hysterically because of how much I hated it and couldn't believe it was happening. That's what made it entertaining is. I was just in such disbelief that they were showing He's in the shocking. I was like, there's no way it's just because the show is so consistently while produced that's the one thing. However you feel about The Bachelorette. Yeah, it is one of the most effectively and tightly and efficiently produce shows in this business. So to have an hour unit back together jobs. I know I'm like do love the show know we do but we really do it with you could clear. There's a reason millions of people watch the show. It's so well produced and that's why I'm just kind of shocked that they did. I also wonder do you think it's possible? They lost footage that know? I genuinely thought like they're going to end this in a weird way like they're like, well some of the footage got messed up or for the next two, maybe the truly either had nothing but I don't think considering how dramatic Hannah has been with like her emotions and everything. I mean, she it does add to the show for drama. But why didn't they show that why did they show this instead unless she really wasn't willing to be on camera. Maybe that was it. That's the only thing I can think of because I cannot imagine. A producer just trying to add a fun New segment. That was this horrific 45 minutes of our lives so long before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast so you don't miss an episode premium you Just get even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us you never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. Here's the other thing that kind of frustrated me. I got to say about this. I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to be handing your me Chris when I ask you this question, you just say well, how do you feel about the Lux? Okay. Oh, yeah, Chris. I just don't know if I can make this. I'm in a state of unending tragedy and I weeping right here. Well, how do you feel about the Lux the battle will the Lux Luke Taylor gasps? She started laughing. I'm like Hannah are you sad and are you having existential dread about your future or are you laughing about the pity Rose and laughing about the Battle the loose? I felt like the rug was pulled out from underneath me because other sudden They're laughing about all this stuff. I'm supposed to take so seriously, but when they do the throw, To that fight I didn't and maybe I didn't notice it like that before. Listen. I really truly don't have the best memory of every moment of the show, but I don't remember her thinking she was trying to hold in laughter when watching them fight before but seeing this go back she was because she did that thing we do when we move our face into a scrunch when we're trying to laugh like the I know it's in there. That's why she left because she was sick of it. She was like I can't do this with a straight face a chaos for the last 30 minutes of this broadcast. I just know that just did. Make a ton of sense for me was this huge tonal shift? I can't even at first I thought Hannah takes this so seriously that she doesn't know if she can have a husband but the tone of this whole segment was like Hannah doesn't take this seriously enough to even care about finding a husband was how it felt. I just felt very let down but I will say I think this is what happened. This is my theory of it. Yes, I think a new producer was hired like will call her or him. We'll call him Jamie. Jamie was hired as a new producer. It's like hey guys. I have a great idea and someone that wasn't really paying attention or was having an off day was like you want Jamie. What's your idea? And he's like, I'm an idea for a producing idea where Chris Harrison literally Recaps the whole season and half of that time. He's just recapping the episode that people just watch and they're like honestly Jimmy like sure because they're having a bad day. Maybe they just went through a breakup then Jamie produces a whole thing and the editors like wait am I supposed to edit this and she was like, yep, they go through it and then someone misses the mark until the very end when it needs to be shown and they're like, well we better make the The promo the best it can be because the actual promo for the next episodes were great. We finally found our most p is the guy that shames her for having sex before marriage. We find out that I think someone is trying to propose to her before the very end of the show. So they really did shove a lot of good stuff after a lot of bad stuff. Well because here's what I think like they could have it would have been really interesting if Hannah's having this moment of Crisis and they fly her friends in or she flies back to her hometown and talk to her parents. So they get Danny back in there are Demi I know but there were just so many things they could have done here instead of a spark notes like that was it was just so weird especially like they wanted to take a high-stakes moment of will Hannah continue. They could have pulled people in former Bachelors former bachelorettes. There's just so many options of things besides a one-on-one recap with ch, yeah, and on top of that like usually we don't get the oh, yeah that was ridiculous moments from The Bachelor Bachelorette until the season's over right? So it was so weird for her. Yeah to be joking about the loop. Luke's drama or like talking about the bloopers because she's like bloopers like I haven't found a husband jealous wait to laugh. Let's make sure I don't end up alone. I know it's like am I supposed to be taking this seriously or not? Here's the thing Renee and I obviously had issues with the way this episode was produced. I'm oh, I'm very very keen to hear that. Right Ryan. Did you wanna I'm very ABC it's a I want to know from anyone watching. Did anyone like this? Did anyone think This was a great hour of Television. I loved being reminded what happened this season and it was really good because I'm earnestly and genuinely curious to see if anyone like this because I've never seen anyone turn on someone quicker than Luke p as they did with this episode of TV Bachelor nation was not having it and I don't know. I want to see if anyone liked it. So if you like this hour of TV recap, let us know in the comments and in the chat for the kindly give us five stars on iTunes if you did not like this episode. Yes, if you did then leave a comment, but if you didn't then please leave. This five stars on iTunes and we'll see the difference. Absolutely. That's a great idea. I'm getting a lot of NOS. So it seems like people agree great 5 Stars. Well, let's talk a bit about we're going to do something a little different this week. We're actually going to do our quick predictions now because they led to the promo we have plenty of segments after predictions, but which is a lot of news that Bachelor in Paradise. So we'll do predictions now and then our special segment. So drop that predictions bumper Ryan's Stevie predictions. Okay. So the promo is great and partly I'm transitioning so we can get some positive wolf. Stuck out to you from this promo. Well, I feel like because everyone had a feeling it would be luke P that shamed her. I'm happy that they finally revealed that in the way that he did it of just being like yeah. Well if you've had sex with anyone on the show, like I'd leave just the way he said that like can't wait to have sex with you once were married. Yeah, just everything the way he worded it because I makes me wonder if she had told him before that. She was not a virgin so that really did suck stick out to me because I've been Been waiting to like have that confirmed also just how they showed us the like I once a proposal moment, but the moment was her and Chris Harrison when he's like, he's here to propose a he's ready right now. Yes, because it really does lead us to believe that it's not down to two yet like something the only person who I could possibly think of that would do something like this is Luke P. I agree I think and it could be anything those producers are great at manipulating us. Okay tonight's episode I think. That Luke p is the one who's probably sex-shaming Hannah saying you can't do anything in the fantasy suites. I want to control how you're behaving with these other guys until it's our wedding day. And if we're seeing the promos right this really upsets Hannah and it looks like she might send him home that night. We're watching him get in the car if she doesn't and he truly talks to her the way that I think he's going to I will lose some respect for her. I'm going to be honest. I will because I I think you should allow someone to be that controlling that is incredibly controlling and toxic and I mean already I do think he's done it in the mid- way, but this is very blunt the way it does seem seem like he's doing it in the promo and that's just so unhealthy and that girl needs to take a stand because she knows she shouldn't keep him around and that's like a moment where he's fully disrespecting her. So not that he hasn't before but even more well, we do have a presumably a therapist in the chat. I do love a good they're very hot. Heimer offers us Luke P has the clinical signs of early schizophrenia vacant stare flat affect rigidity depersonalization and agitated physical outbreaks interesting truly if Luke is a diagnosed schizophrenic. I actually sent him the best because that can be quite a doozy of a I don't know but that's just a very it's funny. I'm used to comments being like F this guy and this person's like here's an exact diagnosis of Luke's Behavior. Yeah. I mean, I mean the thing is though is it's definitely you can like observe. It on TV and we can kind of guess here and they're like based on that but we don't know we really don't know. I know you could be an alien. I Do by December girl in theory. He could be I think he's gonna get sent home and then he like you said, he'll be the one to buy a ring and get ready to propose to Hannah that next day and it's going to make her wonder if he really is the right choice. He'll be like I thought that's isn't that what the show was? I watched the One season and I'm supposed to propose to you and she's like, no Luke not for two more weeks. He's like, I don't want to Opposed to 444 HP. Anyways, who do you think's going to win? Let's play that game. Do you think she's gonna end up with someone or alone? I think she's gonna pick Tyler. See are you serious? Uh-huh. You think she's going to pick like to be her husband? Yeah, Tyler see I do the one that says Grill it or grill and impressive. Oh my God, I think she'll pick Jed. I think Jed is gonna get second. And you think it's gonna come down to Tyler see a jet in the she's gonna Tyler see Tyler seen people think beach house in Redondo. We'll see. Yeah, I think it's gonna be tighter seeing Peter. Oh my God, if it's Tyler see, I want a reality show and the story. I want to like, I would love to see that just work a couple. Well, let us know in the chat what you guys think in the chat what you guys think in the comments down below? We have some Tweets. We're going to use our special segment right now. I love that. So as you guys know, this is our segment called tweeting for the right reasons and we share our favorite tweets from Bachelor Nation. Y'all were lit in the Twitter tonight. So guys, I've been finding some tweets throughout the entire episode. And this first one is from an eel lame the oh lame and that's awesome pretty good because Ryan and if you do this, but the Jeweler who picks the Rings for the contestants is Neil Lane a nice. It's his wise The Bachelorette recap happening when we Don't even know everyone's name. Yeah, and that's a gif of a dowel saying I ain't got time for that true. We do have some tweeting for the right reasons to from Liza like Minnelli who I think might be our only fan that uses the hashtag but we love you for Eliza. I'll leave one of your tweets after I do my after I do my name's this one. Okay. So this is a pictures included. So make sure to go to my Twitter to see it at Renee Ariel, but it says no one not a single soul The Bachelorette producers tune in now to re-watch what you just finished watching. And it has Chris Harrison on like the set of a FR. It's pretty gold. I love it. Finally. I have my tweets which is so if you guys have seen Titanic, you will remember that doesn't everyone thing Titanic saw for the first time three months ago. Isn't that crazy? I think of you differently now, it's fair yikes. I know busted I've seen a lot of movies bus that was a lot to see when I was young child because there was toplessness in it. Oh, there is toplessness in it and I was just a young I saw that when I was young too. Okay, so we have Rose as the old version of herself as you guys remember and it's a gif of her the quotes that the Tweet actually famous gift. By the way, you're like this country. It's the old Rose give you guys free podcast listeners. The Tweet is all of us waiting for the bachelor recap to be over hashtag The Bachelorette and the gift says it's been 84 years and it's Rose waiting for it to end and I'm going to read one. I'm Liza like Minnelli who always tweeting for the right reasons Is Us. Chris Harrison, thank you for sitting down with me and the 30 can't go strategically placed around us accept The Bachelorette hashtag waiting for the right reasons. Why is like Minelli? We love you. Thanks for tweeting at us funny. Oh, let's get into the news and gossip because there's some really good news and gossip this week spill that spill the tea give us the dirt. I will give you the T and the dirt. Wow, thank you. You're welcome Bachelor in Paradise cast is revealed. Do you know I really don't know. This is great. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's there's always Twenty people who shop it always starts with eight and then it's like but it's been five minutes. So we're going to review we want mostly to end up alone bring in nine more magic and take away three women. Alright, so the first person who is going to be in Paradise always be cam. No, no. No did you see is interview on roses and Roses? I know he's better than you think. Okay. Okay, just like Evan was I don't like having either. Sure, fair enough Blake Horsemen our favorite theater nerd from Becca season plagued. Oh my God. He's finally feeling better good for him. Yes, he's back clay. Remember clay, he like got enjoy your Sunday. Yeah. Yeah strong sensitive football player. Yep, I do remember him. Wait, what's me dating? Someone let us know that you at? All right, Debbie. No surprise there Demi we knew yep my Favorite John Paul Jones is going to Paradise cited for that taoiseach excited about that. I love to each other of taoiseach. Hope she finds a man in paradise and bibs. I don't get it. I really I know that they're like pushing for her to be like the comedic relief. But to be honest, it was a bore having her last season. I think she killed it on re-season. Yeah, but like paradise lost your she didn't even try. Why great clay was dating Angela. That's right. Okay, so that so they broke up that's sad. I don't want to celebrate that. They were cute together and Angela deserve that moment because well, you know, she's gonna show up to Paradise though. She better who is the one that broke her heart in Paradise you guys someone broke her heart in Paradise. Well Rita right before we go out because you guys will answer it there. Anyone that you're disappointed is not in Paradise based on this list. No, not that I can think of. Where are you I could have used Train exit Heather. I don't think she would have been kind of a funny twist. But other than that, yeah, I mean, I guess Hannah G just so she can have a Redemption. Yeah. We're I like it it g she needs her moment. Yes aside from that. Not really I yeah, no. Okay. Well, let us know if there oh Eric was who broke Angeles heart Eric and I love Eric because we've had Eric better figure wrap actually run into Eric sometimes at the gym love him as a person but truly Leon his season of paradise. I was I wanted to slap him and she would tell him that to his face. I wouldn't probably the vase. I absolutely and with that we got to get out of here guys. We really need to sleep quickly. If you guys love this episode more than we did. We appreciate that. We want you to let us know in the comments down definitely. So sorry. This was The Bachelorette weekend for the bat this This kept in the bachelorette. Thank you so much for tuning in guys. My name is Jeff gravy can find me on Twitter at Jeffrey. Secret Renee. You guys can follow me at Renee Ariel on Instagram and on Twitter and go watch me report news and shared news, but you to Big new gig freaking you gig and she's kicking ass over there. So proud of you today guys. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next week here for our favorite show on ABC The Bachelorette. Thanks always be Kim founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning. 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Thank y'all so much for joining us for another episode of orange the new black tonight. We are going to be covering episode 12 second to last episode ever which has us in our feelings. Obviously holding back tears, right? I'm your host. April was enhanced joined by my lovely Briana. Hello. What did you think? Oh my gosh so many emotions in one episode right? I don't know where to begin. I laughed I cried. Ride. Yes, it's like he's gone. That's why oh, gee, I just don't I'm really overwhelmed. What do you think? It's it's an overwhelming episode just because of so many different things happening obviously of us being fans of the show since the beginning and seeing some of these people it was just difficult very very difficult and it's crazy that both of us cried two episodes in a row, and I'm yeah Before we get started make sure you stay tuned for our great special segment. We also have some awesome news and gossip for y'all and some good predictions for the finale episode 13. Holy smokes. I want to start off with you know, the biggest. Well what we consider probably the biggest moment of the episode. It's at the end of the episode pennsatucky committing suicide. Yeah, I guess by the drugs that want to die as people had died. I know you're right. Gonna do this us to somebody chain. Are you surprised that she ended up doing this? I was absolutely shocked at the thing is when I saw her flipping out on luschek. I saw that she was well once I saw how emotional she got about not getting enough time on the test. I knew that she was going to beat herself up about it. I but I didn't know was going to go as far as her actually doing drugs to the point where she would OD and pennsatucky stays doing drugs. So I'm like you must have done a lot at one time right for you to be Not so quickly. Well, has she still been doing drugs a she didn't know and she was clean. Yeah, but even like in that moment when I don't know the other characters named this is like a newer character. But when I see her with the big bag of I guess it's heroin, I think yeah Coke, I think they were snorting. Yeah, I don't know how you do heroin. But whatever one of those things are very bad drug the girl who was doing it at first I was like she this is a that's a huge thing. She definitely can't do this. So even when pennsatucky He asked her, you know going to finish that right? I thought it was basically just to get the high like just to get over. You know, this bad GED exam that she had just been through I had no idea that she did it maybe with the intention obviously she had to have done a lot to commit. Yeah suicide absolutely and just the fact that taste he's the one that finds her makes you think it was a suicide attempt to do you think she did it by accident? Well now that we're talking about happened thinking suicide. The whole time now as we say it. I'm like maybe it was just it could have been an accident but also pennsatucky has done like you said a fair amount of drugs with her day that we you know all know all about she's has a major freak outs on the show. Yeah, and I mean, I feel like she knew what she was doing more. So because of her head space before yes, like seeing her so down in the dumps because of this exam, I agree and free. Ian luschek, it's all his fault and it just sucks because luschek is always screwing somebody's life upright because he's so careless and unbothered and he's just simply immature and I'm honestly honestly shocked that he's had his job for this long. Yeah, I mean whenever she the part where she's like literally going off of him and just like you ruined me you were yeah at first I was like, oh no, he's surely he did it. He's been like trying to help whatever and then know he's For again, I mean, I don't want to blame him for this because her actions are her own right? I definitely think that's important. But am because you know, obviously she's had a lot of issues with people calling her dumb and all of this stuff but it's just so difficult for us as fans obviously to see this character, you know, seemingly like be a little bit on a high for the past few episodes and kind of all season and then just to kind of go down. In the dumps. Yeah, and she was so upset when that Proctor was telling her that she was I know and he did not care at all. But I think what makes it worse with her exchange with luschek is the fact that she was so emotional and it was clear and Lucid check didn't say anything like his facial expression showed some type of remorse, but when you're that angry and you're telling someone your piece of crap, like I hate you you ruin my life and they're just sitting there silent that's even worse because I'm like say something I'm so sorry what I'm doing. Yeah, and he just sat there and I think I don't think him at least apologizing would have gave a different outcome. But at least I don't know. I think it would have made us look at him and sometimes sort of different light because at least at least he was taking some type of responsibility for the part. He did play exactly and I think that her or let me ask you why do you think that she kind of automatically reverted to the state that she used to be in was she just not like fully in the head space or I think pennsatucky is so used to being hard on herself and hearing that she's dumb and being beaten down that the one time she actually feels good about herself. It's kind of a vulnerable time for her and as a defense mechanism, it's easier for her to just set herself back into that head space of basically low expectations low. No, It's right and so for her, she's probably thinking I know I failed this test. So I'm just going to go back to the lifestyle that I'm used to that. I know I can't screw up because how can you look at a druggie and think that they're going to screw up you shouldn't expect them to do good at. All. Right. So I yeah, I just think it was a defense mechanism on for her just to give up. I mean you see in the scene where she's telling the some of the other inmates. She's like, I don't know why our because tasty says you can just take it again, you know, and if A few months just like why why are we trying to pretend like we're not actually in here. Yeah, and I can't remember off the top of my head her specific time in prison, but I know it was a very long time if it was not forever. It was a long time. Yeah, I really was um, so I don't know it just was so difficult to see and I'm just it just tears me up. Yeah, but as a character that was maybe not our favorite in the beginning. Yes. I was just thinking that I hate to see like the Redemption tour of somebody. Just to get shut down. I'm I was thinking about that. But at the same time I'm just really happy. She had a friend like Suzanne towards the end of her life because they balanced each other out. So well and even though they were really different they were still kind of the same. They both had some type of mental issue. They are kind of considered The Underdogs, but they're always they always have some type of positivity to come with and I just I'm really glad that Suzanne had pennsatucky on her side because pennsatucky was a vital role in Wise Suzanne even wrote the journals about what happened with tasty. Oh, yeah. That's a great Point. Yeah, she did more than she even knew she did exactly and then Suzanne was that support pennsatucky needed to get in the right mindset to take the GED exam. Yeah. So I really loved appreciated appreciated the relationship Suzanne hit pennsatucky, but mainly me with a lot of wisdom episode. Yeah. And she said that her mom told her don't pay attention to people who don't know you what they say about you only pay attention to the people that know you what Mike Suzanne with the knowledge. I know always dropping gems, right. It's always the ones you don't expect the drop the gems that you don't want to listen to what you brush them off, but they're really saying some real stuff. She says it's so just like that's just what she knows to be true because her mommy told her that Exactly so innocent and like this trying to find a way for like the breakfast for dinner. Oh gosh, and then she finds a little egg. And yeah, I'm really glad they didn't show this scene of them telling her what happened to pennsatucky cuz I can't imagine Susie. I'm just losing her mind at that moment. I would I would have probably cried again. Oh, yeah, if I saw that it was definitely rough and I hope Suzanne can kind of you know, we've seen her react very negatively in these. Situations when something bad happens, but I feel like she's in a different space now, so hopefully she can kind of you know, because Kentucky is her roommate at this point. Yeah, but hopefully she can get out of that a little bit. Do you think tasty finding pennsatucky is going to kind of change her mindset with the whole suicide thing? I mean, I hope so obviously because she's fully back in it. I mean seemingly, she's fully back in it because of everything that happened with the lawyer. Yeah, and I don't know. Don't know if like I'm just crazy but for some reason I guess because I wanted tasty to be like the one happy ending over anybody and so I'm like I have I just been dumb to believe that they would just take Suzanne's book and be like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly. I thought the same thing I was like, okay. She's about to get out right and then she hit us with the but Susannah had a mental breakdown and we can't find tasty. So we can't really do anything with them like saying she can't get a break and tasty is obviously immediate reaction when the lawyer tells her this she's like you're never gonna see me again and goes and gets the drugs. Yeah. Um, there's something about tasty that I don't know. I mean that would just be the most tragic thing. I feel like to happen on the show if they do that to her. I've obviously really hope that they don't but she all she just seems I mean she's going on Oh the episode she's going through the process. She has this, you know, she's looking for Suzanne, but then she doesn't she see Suzanne and she doesn't talk to her. Yeah, I think she didn't talk to her part of me. Okay. I it's either she knows it's going to be too hard to tell Suzanne whatever she needs to tell her and her subliminal. Goodbye or she's afraid Suzanne is going to say something that's going to make her change her mind because like we said Suzanne is always dropping gems and she doesn't even realize it and I think tasty has in her mind that she Really wants to do this and she knows that if she talks is Suzanne some little thing is going to come out that's going to make her second guess her decision. Yeah. I thought I was like she she saw what she needed to see. I feel like she just wanted to see Suzanne one more time, even though she's like pushed Suzanne away and so many instances that's always been there for her and has always tried to bring the good side that she knows is in tasty out of her. That's true. She's doing that. She's like preparing for her last meal. It's torquey the higher that better be like Shawshank. It's still a little weird to me because it's just so odd to see like I feel like it is still genuine friendship. But like the war talking to the inmate. Yeah, but Ward kind of does a good job of Bridging that Gap I guess I think she does and I think that's what's going to be her downfall eventually is she's too friendly and optimistic and she's already treading very on thin ice with Linda. Yeah, so does not like her hire anymore. Linda is not down with it. She's like I should not have hired this black girl. She's too nice. She's not what I thought she was gonna be she goes Listen to me. Listen to me. I can't make her my puppet. Yeah, I I think the moment probably I want to say it's a sad episode. So it's hard to say like, oh my favorite moment but to see my conversation with poussey. Oh my God getting tasty out of her mindset. That's why I keep yeah, it would be so tragic mainly because of this that moment. I'm just so happy that they did that. Yeah. Me too. Me too. We deserved it. We really did we held out a good long time to see poussey and that one little scene was enough. It was I mean, well, it was not enough. I was you don't want her to know you want more greedy. I'm American, but I wanted her to never leave the show, but I'm happy given the circumstances but they least gave us a little bit of it. Yeah, so it was a flashback to when tasty originally got out of prison. Obviously, we know she ended up being back in. But I feel like who says words hopefully we'll be able to pull her out of the depression that or the place that she's on edge as yeah, I totally agree. I think poussey was always a very influential person on tasty because of the respect that they both have for each other in and out of prison. So I really have my fingers crossed that this random light that was for her in the hallway will save our girl's life. I mean, I feel like Believe in Sons tasty clearly does as well, but I'm just so glad that that happened in kind of the one person who I feel like at this point could truly talk tasty out of doing anything would be poussey. Yeah, so just to have that memory in obviously is viewers. We appreciate it a lot. I hope it's going to be the thing to kind of pull her out of it same but she does just saying he hath are great right now. So I don't know something that is great is something that you have for our viewers. Yes. Something is great. Our viewers we want to thank you guys. Every single week for tuning in with us at Orange is the New Black after-show and all the other after shows you guys watch your an AfterBuzz. You want to thank you for making AfterBuzz ESPN of TV talk. 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Is she calling her out? She's like wait. Are you is Zelda right now? Yeah, and I thought it was so interesting that Piper obviously Michael is a different story and Alex cheated with McCullough first, so that's important, but I did find it a little ironic and kind of hilarious. Honestly that Piper was in Zelda's apartment and the screaming at Alex exacting her. Yeah. I mean it's all but that's what people need to remember. It's all about the LIE exactly. It is all about the lie and I think Piper loves being able to hold on to that victim card. Oh, yeah, so it's easy to just say well, of course, I'm going to sleep with Zelda you slept with Nicola and she came and told me and you're with mother told me Piper loves having the upper hand and she'd rather make a wrong instead of taking the high road. Yeah, I think that is where obviously seeing the demise of this relationship. I say that only because and I'm curious to see if you feel the same way. They just can't I think we said it last episode go and meet as soon as something bad happens go to another person. Like that's just not how things work. Yeah real life and they they both tend to do that one bad thing happens and maybe they have this other person that they're kind of close to and then they run to them, but I don't think that Alex has feelings for McCulloch are actually real no not at all and in the conversation that we're For finally comes to Litchfield to talk to her. I mean she even says that and I feel like she's actually being truthful but isn't it? I mean, it's too late though, right? Yeah, definitely and I think that they like we said last week they both just really love chaos and it's a perfect example of how dependent they are on each other. Yeah, so it's not like no matter how toxic they are or one is for one person. They just can't let go Whatever reason and I don't know how they're going to get it together. Once Alex gets out in three years. You guys are falling apart. Yeah, I'm sure having a prison relationship is hard you guys were in prison you were fine, but you had restrictions and you were told what to do. Once you've both are on the and the outside world. What are how are you guys going to figure out your issues? They're so immature and I get it. There's the part of me. That's like, okay, they're apart whatever but it's and Alex did. This permission to do this obviously not anymore. But I guess I just think that it doesn't matter that you're a part you're still together. So distance and separation is difficult. But like if you truly love each other then you should be making it work not running off to other people. So do you think that Alex is wrong for being as mad as she is about Piper and Zelda even though she gave Piper permission kind of yeah, but has nothing to do with the giving of her permission. It's simply has to do with she was actively not just like one time now, maybe Piper like we said last week too emotional cheating is cheating. Yeah, but she wasn't I mean she was spending time with her and she did make a comment of like liking her but she didn't really I mean do anything. She's right hanging out with her and they had both discussed things being platonic and whatever but yeah, Alex cheated multiple times. Yeah, so I was like You can't be mad and you're psycho girlfriend showed up on yeah, why is that? It's a guilty conscious at the end of the day. That's all it is is just a guilty conscience. Yeah, I definitely know I feel like she shouldn't really be mad whatsoever. But yeah, I agree but Alex has clearly messed with the wrong. Ho McCullough is not like she's crazy. I was like, well, okay, so obviously when she goes to war Lord and ask for Alex we transfer yeah till high of not specifically to Ohio, but that's where she gets transferred. Were you I was so surprised. Yeah, she did that me too. We've had shown that bad though because like she's crazy. I knew but the thing is I knew she was crazy, but I didn't know she would be vindictive because but she played her cards. So right because what was word going to do she's down as CEO because offer got fired Hopper. Also genius move on Daya for real. Yes. I would have girl I ever fought when the girl walks up to a later and hands her like the think and lock the shoe. I don't think twice about me either it's weird, but obviously they still have to keep it clean and yeah a dungeon. Yeah. That was so smart Dynamite be a crackhead but she is a smart crackhead. He's a smart crack. Okay. She has her stuff together when she's not hot. Yes, we should know how to get a real like I would business I think of something like that. Oh, no, we're very sober exactly got like gone and tattle. There's something that's that's Street mentality. You can be Street my smart. You're not book smart, but your street smart Daya has that street-smart and Elena has seemingly always had like the up on diet. But this I mean she didn't even think of it either. Yeah, another his pants down. It was so loved it. I'm happy that like they went and got Ward obviously. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, she can't fire McCullough and she knows it. I mean Hell hath no skewed fury. Like a woman scorned. I know I mean she fully went with it. Yes. I mean, look who's crazy. But like I also get she's pissed so don't mess with the wrong. But with the wrong person. I hope Alex learns her lesson. I know how do you feel but I feel like she never tends to learn. I don't think so either. We'll see I want to talk about are some of our other. Oh, geez Nikki read the whole Lorna situation as well. Well, another one of my favorite parts of the episode is Nikki and Red's conversation where I've been thinking that like in the show their kind of turning Nikki into that new prison mom. Yes, and then for her to have the conversation with red. Like how did you do all this? How do you take care of us? It was I mean, I think it like seals that absolutely I totally agree when I saw that I thought of you when you said it last week, so I'm like, oh Nikki's basically preparing herself to take on the roll. Exactly, but the it's just such a sad conversation because at this moment red is lucid. Yeah, right there e obviously they're talking about Lorna and to hear read even kind of say like you have to protect yourself. Sometimes. The only thing that you can do is do that. Do you think that's good advice for her to give to Nikki? I think it is good advice because Nikki can find herself going insane trying to control everything and keep everything together because we see that with Lorna. She wants to keep Lorna close to her instead of sending her to Florida where Lorna is better off in a way. Yeah. I mean it's better than being in gen pop, right? Exactly. So especially with her attacking people. I mean she deserved it the girl deserved it like don't get me wrong. She deserved it, but Lorna seems like she would pop off anybody that said anything in a certain type of way to her like anything about the baby. Yeah anything anything about the baby so I think it is really Good advice because you do have to put yourself first in these situations, but I also think Reds advice of saying you have to admit you when you can't do anymore. I think that's also a moment of red coming to terms with her own situation and finally acknowledging her dementia and really saying, you know, this is my life now and I have to do what I have to do to carry out the rest of my years, right? Right, I guess I guess I'm happy that she kind of officially realizes what's going on being read but it's also just so difficult because I mean she wasn't in for life, but then she got the added years. Yeah. So I mean you have to think like this person's gonna die in prison, which is just awful, especially when you think about how she got in there probably the moment with Lorna in the kitchen. No, that's what kind of made me realize Well, I obviously did for Nikki as well that No matter what somebody says and this it reminded me a lot actually of the conversation that Suzanne had with pennsatucky for some reason because I can just imagine a mom saying to somebody like if you somebody's always going to say something to you. So it's like she would Nikki if she stayed protecting her would just be waiting for the other shoe to drop always and like she's not a mental health professional exactly the CEOs are and you know, but they are in a sense in. Charge if that is even a thing, but I'm happy that they sent her to Florida me too, because that's the only place really that she could be. Yeah, and can you imagine Lorna flipping out getting Violet and Nikki has to go in and separate whatever physical altercation she gets herself into in the Nikki gets more time. Trying to help Lorna exactly. That would suck. I've keep forgetting how long Nikki has to but I know it's a long time as well. Um, what else from the episode before we get into our news and gossip. Up, how much happened there was so much. I think we got it. Although I think we did good. We if we never anything definitely like just that no state not tasty. Cindy's homeless. Yeah, that's it ND. I mean obviously we see her on the streets we and we've known that for a little bit but I just really hope that she gets off of it because I have a good feeling about it. Yeah. Yeah, I really do because her mom's not gonna let her stick on forever. That's true. I mean she just seemed pretty pissed. Okay, let's do some news and goss's didn't didn't don't don't don't so for news and gossip. We have two pieces. We're going to start off with this article. I read from the Hollywood unlocked. Basically, we remember and the episode of Orange Is the New Black when they had the toll-free hotline for legal counsel and the Detention Center. Yeah turns out in real life. The freedom of immigrants started the national immigration detention. Outline in 2013. Wow, okay, and then just two weeks after oranges the New Black aired the episode about the hotline it got shut down allegedly by ice. So now there's been a petition going around where some of our actors Blanca and Maritza have signed a petition basically saying this is very Troublesome and a spokesperson came out and said basically the ha while I was being targeted because it brings attention to abuse that the immigrants are facing and the detention centers and Ice wants to keep it as quiet as possible. So partly we need to get on that petition. Guess we do so part of the the letter I'll read here. It says the lines the lines termination undermines trust and accountability of government institutions dissuades public service by 80 organizations and further isolates vulnerable detained individuals. We demand that freedom for immigrants hotline be restored to its original reach so that the organization can continue offering a free and confidential resource to detained individuals across the country. So if you want to read more about that article, make sure you visit The Hollywood Reporter. Yes, so in other news and brighter news Choose our favorite tasty or Daniel Brooks has a birthday coming up. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday is on September 17th. So make sure you guys slide in all those yams and comment show her love on Instagram all her social media. I'm sure she's gonna appreciate it and we're waiting for that baby to drop. Oh, yeah. Yes. I don't know when she's do but I can't wait to see it. I know baby obviously. Okay for our special segment tonight. We are gonna do last episode. We talked about our favorite characters that we wanted to see in the last episode yours was Judy King Yes. Mine was see open it. Yes, is that still your person? That is still my person. I do want to add that. I would like to see one person from Litchfield like OG Litchfield at this point specifically the The Yoga Yoga Yoga Yoga Joan. Yeah. There's I just really want to see her because of that connection. She has with Judy King for me. I definitely still want to see Co Bennett mmm, um, especially because it'll die of going through. I know I messed up, but I also just to throw another one in there. I would just I want to I would love to see more to say I doubt they're going to give it. You're so greedy. I'm going to give it to us but it's okay do them in and chat says I want to Cebu and yoga Jones. Oh my gosh, boo. But what happened? Oh my goodness. I'm ready for predictions. Let's do some predictions. Okay, what you got remember how everybody got separated? Yes, didn't some of them go to Ohio. Yes. Mic drop right there right there around how have none of how did neither of us think about that last episode? I don't because I just I don't know why something about just now because I knew it was somewhere weird and random. Yeah and in my head, I'm like, yeah, they're never going to see each other again. And then when I watched the episode and they chose Ohio to transfer Alex, I'm like, that's so Random right and then something about her in that boo. I'm like maybe but I'm It's a need to make sure that it is Ohio. I'm not sure. Yeah, that sounds about right like I feel like if they're going to transfer people places than typically that you know, they have like their set places that they go to yeah, that would be good because Alex wouldn't just like be by herself either way. She's far away from paper, but I don't know if I think that's a good or a bad thing or not. We'll see. Yeah, I'm gonna guess I'm going to predict that tasty is not going to commit suicide. Okay, but I do still L feel something in the air bad happening. I hope we get at least one. Happy ending. Yeah, me too. I don't know if I feel like killing off pennsatucky, especially her being a day one Orange is the New Black ER it would be really messed up as they killed somebody else. Yeah, because it's one thing to kill Daddy because his daddy right but put the sake she's we didn't really like her too much. But because she got on our good side it would suck to lose. Muriel's literally season 1 episode 1 literally so taking away tasty. That's that's a crime. She kind of teeth. Come on. Can't you guys maybe got a bag and new teeth? Okay y'all well, that's our episode. Thank you all so much for joining us only one more. I'm so nervous. It's crazy. In the meantime, you all can find us all at AfterBuzz TV on Twitter Instagram everywhere. Y'all can find me everywhere at April with some hand. 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Hosts April Whisenhant and Breanna Chianne break down the shocking penultimate episode. Pennsatucky thinks she failed her GED exam and returns to drugs, resulting in a fatal overdose. Taystee’s lawyer tells her that Suzanne’s book is not good enough evidence and shuts down her dreams of being exonerated for a murder that she didn’t commit. Hence, potentially turning her back to suicide. A flashback from our favorite Poussey Washington warms Taystee’s heart and of course, ours, and hopefully puts her in a better mindset. All this and more! #oitnb #oitnbfinalseason Follow our hosts: @aprilwhisenhant @iam_breannachianne ABOUT ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK Orange is the New Black comes from "Weeds" creator Jenji Kohan about a women’s prison drama with comedy that takes no prisoners. Based on the acclaimed memoir of the same name by Piper Kerman, the series is about engaged Brooklynite Piper Chapman, whose decade-old relationship with drug-runner Alex results in her arrest and year-long detention in a federal penitentiary. To pay her debt to society, Piper must trade her comfortable New York life with fiancé Larry, for an orange prison jumpsuit and a baffling prison culture where she is forced to question everything she believes about herself and the world at large. As she struggles to adjust to her new reality, she finds unexpected laughter, tears, conflict and camaraderie amidst an eccentric and outspoken group of inmates.

Hello and welcome along to the probably Academy podcast. I'm your host Kate McKnight and I'm Andrew niccol and today on the show. We're going to talk about the ethical argument for property investment by mum and dad you investors in New Zealand. And the reason we're excited to talk about this specific topic today is I checked the podcast stats last night looking at the top shows Within. The business category of podcasts in New Zealand and I was I almost couldn't believe my eyes because this podcast the property Academy podcast is currently ranked number one in New Zealand among all business podcasts. And so I'm feeling very very lucky and grateful actually to everybody listening to this show who's helped us get to this to get to the stage to be among or or above actually some people that I really admire like Gary V or Tim Ferriss and and above Rich Dad Poor Dad show is really fantastic. And I think the good message here as well is that you zealanders are interested in property and are interested in putting themselves in a better financial position through property and I want to thank you Andrew as well for sitting across the table from me. So many times almost every day and recording these shows as well. So let's get into the ethical Arguments for property investment and Andrew this came through one of the reports from the one roof property. Report that came out for the last quarter of the year and there were some really interesting stat. What was that? Sorry, I didn't have that set their head. I was throwing it to him. I don't get good Tate. It was that 440,000 of the 525,000 rental properties in New Zealand about 80% are provided by the private Market are provided by mum and dad investors. So I did have that step. You know, I need to take his you wrote it down. And I think that this is is something we sometimes forget because cuz property investors tend to get beaten up in the media. They we tend to get beaten up by government policy and so much has happened, you know and being introduced by the government this year to actually make property investment a little bit harder in areas, but actually 80% of the rental market is provided by mum and dad investors and this this is amazing because every additional rental property that is provided by the private Market is an additional house that doesn't have to be built by the government will provide Through social housing and I think we've already seen this year how difficult it can be to provide social housing as well. But that's not the only ethical argument for for property investment that that we are providing these these rental properties for people. What else did you have on your list enter? So what are the things that I think is really important to remember is that often a property investor will make a top up towards owning that property whether it covers the rates or the insurance or but towards the mortgage all these kind of things. So we we are as landlords often subsidizing People's rent. So we're making it more affordable for someone to go and read to house and it is most often that people are actually making a top up and as you'll remember the government took away the ability to offset that loss against our personal income. So now it's costing us more in the pocket each week and that hasn't really flowed down to tenants just at the moment. But yeah that I think that's a really important thing to remember. I also think about about the the kind of Is the our clients Often by which is generally new or newish properties and I think that's providing a better quality home for a lot of tenants out there. So Christchurch post-earthquake, they've been a lot of earthquake damaged houses which have been rented out but really aren't fit to be lived in and it's not safe for people and they're not warm and that's not really a great great situation to be in and so by buying something new or newish you're providing a really nice home for someone. Totally agree and and just following on from that that light and or train of thought as well Andrew, but if you are buying a brand new property, you'll usually buying it off the plants. So you're buying it off the plans from a developer and what that means if a whole heap of investors by of the plans, is that more developments get off the ground and so we're increasing the housing Supply as well. So we're providing even more homes and bringing them onto the market. Now the flip side of that is well, is that if we have investors Who are flying off the planes from developers then because more developments get off the ground more owner occupiers are able to buy their own home as well because if the wound investors and they're all of the all of the developers properties would have to be sold to owner occupies. And that's a much more difficult task because then you've got a more limited market. So by having investors buy off developers as well more owner occupiers are actually able to get into new properties as well. Also, I just kind of think about the long-term goal of property which To build wealth through Capital Growth and so most often clients are doing that to kind of provide an income later on in retirement. So by doing that by taking some responsibility yourself and getting into property investment, you're putting less Reliance on the government superannuation later on down the track. So I think that's a really important thing as well the fact that we're actually investing in property to be able to rely on ourselves rather than the government and it's so it's so important because it's not necessarily the government's role to completely sort out everybody's Uber and uation and make sure that every retiree has maintains the lifestyle that they currently have and it is our responsibility to sort ourselves out for retirement and actually make it happen for ourselves. And the last thing that I was going to mention as well is that that because we're all getting into property investment or if you do get into property investment, you are increasing that housing Supply and which if that didn't happen then prices would increase Even further than they already were so every time a new house has brought onto the market. It actually softens prices more relative to what it would be if that house wasn't built. So if property investors weren't investing in new properties and or or re renovating Old Stock and bring it up to a new standard then there would be fewer houses available and the prices would be increasing at a much faster rate than they currently are. So rather than saying this is so terrible because you know a property and Basement is terrible because it increases the price of houses actually because investors whether through renovation or investing in new properties adding more stock into the housing market. It's actually helping keep prices lower than they otherwise would be for owner-occupiers. So on that note we're going to go polish our Halos ha ha ha. Hey, thanks so much for listening to the property Academy podcast. We really really do appreciate that. You're with us on this now, please don't forget to rate review And subscribe to the Podcast that's going to help us maintain this number one position in the charts and get the message out to even more people than would be able to and look if you do want to learn more about property investment with Andrew and I then why not check out one of our free online courses, you can go to Opus Partners dot coded in C. That's ope is Partners dot coated in said where you can we have a video course called the property Academy there as well and it's completely free course 15 videos there where you can learn about property. Thanks for listening to the property Academy podcast. I'm your host hematite and I'm a juridical have a good to be back again tomorrow with even more daily strategies tactics and insights to help you get the most out of the New Zealand property Market until next time.

In this episode, we attempt to dispell the myth that property investment is undesirable for New Zealand (or any country). There are several reasons why we believe that property investment is good for the country: 440,000 of New Zealand's 525,000 rental properties are supplied by Mum and Dad investors (the private market). Every additional property that is supplied by private investors is another house that the government doesn't have to provide. This saves the government spending enormous amounts of public money on housing Many residential properties are negatively geared, which means that the investor is putting money into the property each week, and the rent doesn't cover all of the expenses associated with the property. This means the investor is effectively subsidising the tenants to live in the property The reason many Mum's and Dad's become property investors is to sort out their own retirement. By investing in property they are taking responsibility for their own retirement, which places less burden on the state When property investors invest in brand new properties they help more developments get off the ground. If property investors weren't in the market then developers could only sell to owner-occupiers. This would shrink the market for development and would mean that fewer houses would be built, and they may be more costly, both to get off the ground in the first place and because of economies of scale When property investors bring new houses onto the market – whether through building new developments or renovating run-down properties – the supply of housing increases. This decreases the price of houses, relative to what they would otherwise be.

That door has been opened now. It's up to them to step through that door and see what comes next. So first off I just want to say welcome to the podcast before we jump into the episode. Let me tell you a little bit about myself and what you can expect I have been in the business now for coming up on 30 years what we're going to talk about in this podcast or things that go on in my day-to-day life whether it be as a manager whether it be as a consultant whether it be as someone who is creating products that's helping musicians all over the world. If there's something going on in the industry, we're going to talk about it if there's a strategy that needs to be taught. Going to talk about it. And if there's some way that I can help get you closer to your goal. Then you're in the right place because that's what we are going to talk about here on the music industry blueprint podcast. Now, let's jump into the episode helping you navigate the music industry. Here's Rick Barker with the music industry blueprint podcast. So I promised in the last episode that I would tell you about the launch and I forgot to do it. So now I'm going to make good on that. So there is a television show. There's a lot of different television shows out there as far as contest in goes as far as music is concerned. We've got American Idol, we've got the voice. You've got America's Got Talent for a while. We had Britain's Got Talent last year a new show. Was started in Canada a collaboration between Scott borchetta and big machine records here and the United States and Bell Media and Canada now Scott had been at American Idol for the last two years that it was on Fox. That's where I got involved with American Idol was through Scott. So what we noticed and what we kept seeing a one of the things that stuck out a lot to Scott was the fact that the excitement of Of the show it took too long if ever to rebuild that excitement after the show ended and that's when they were going in the studio. That's what they were looking for producers. That's what they were looking for music and that's where a lot of the excitement happens. But the show's already done the show was all about cover songs. So he said what if the script got flipped what if we were to actually cast Artist for a particular song so start with the hit song and start with a hit producer and then go find the right artist for that song and then afterwards we got the song you've got the artist then you use everything behind you to launch at once and that's where bell media came into play because what the plan was is Bell has print Outlets television Outlets blog Outlets radio stations and Canada, so they said, okay. Let's try Let's see what happens. So last year. The first season they would go in they would have a song. They would have hit song. They would have a the producer would come in five artists would audition they would pick to then they would record two versions of the song The Artist would go perform the song live they would then pick the artist that they wanted to launch and immediately at that moment. That song was everywhere and what they saw was that the song would be number one on Canadian. ITunes the very next day. It's all the excitement went into that episode. Now the problem with that is it was a 40-something minute-long show and you had five artist Scott a producer a mentor and the song so realistically there were nine different characters. You just couldn't tell the story or get people couldn't get the opportunity to get to know the artist, which is so important. When it comes to building a career, so my job was to come in and to teach those artists that hey you are never going to be more popular than you are during your episode. So how do we take advantage of this commercial in that opportunity? So that's what my involvement with the launches that's where I try to teach artists to tell your own stories control the narrative, you know, let them know exactly what it is. You want them to see when they discover you when they find you. However it is that they find you and then what time explaining to artists as well right now is they seem to think that fans will find them where the artist determines where they find them and what I explained to them is that if a if an artist find you or excuse me, if a fan find you on television and they are an avid Facebook user they're not going to go to Instagram to find you just because that's where you want them to go. They're going to go where they're comfortable with. So that's why I highly encourage all of you listening. To make sure that you're at least represented in each of these locations so that when people discover you there and find you there you can then get them to the platform of your choosing. I also want to talk about the TV show real country. I have become a huge fan at first like everyone else. I was like great here we go, another reality contests and other music competition Shania Twain's the executive producer Jake. Oh and Travis Tritt. Are the other artists representatives and I don't want to call them judges and I really don't want to call a mentors. What they do is they just give solid advice and they give constructive criticism and they give feedback that these artists can go and use they didn't make this show about the judges. That's what the voice is about. They didn't make it about the stories. That's pretty much what American Idols about they made it about the artist. They made it about the music. So the concept of the show if you haven't seen it first season is coming to an end. And I was excited about it because I have quite a few of my clients that participated and I was you know contacted early on to submit artist to be a part of this show. But what it is is that each artist will sing three songs. So each of the artists mentors should I a Jacob Travis they got to listen to this pool of music and they got to kind of make their own teams. They got to invite an artist to represent them for that show. So each show features three artists each artist will sing one song and the Fans in the audience only the fans in the audience not people sitting at home in front of their computer the fans in the audience would then vote and the two highest vote Getters would move on to play a second song where then the fans would vote again along with a guest judge and from that the winner would win $10,000 and a chance to play at Stagecoach and I'm like, okay that's realistic. That's fun. I can get behind that. I'm just excited. Cited that the artists were the stars. I don't know what will come of this. I don't know if it's going to be good for television, but for someone who's in the industry for someone who is excited when artists get opportunities to be discovered the cool part about these artists as well is no one was plucked from obscurity. No one this was the first time that they sang these were all artists that have been hustling that have been putting in their time that have been putting in their 10,000 hours. They were finally given the spotlight so all of us, Good saying and all of them could perform and that was exciting to watch for me. It was like for once I felt that this great opportunity wasn't being wasted on people that weren't going to know what to do with it. That weren't going to understand the significance of this and I have a feeling that a lot of good things are going to come of it because of that. I really do I feel like I've watched a few of these artists some of them. I do a lot of them. I didn't know I I was able to start following them and watching them and was very impressed with the original music that I heard. All of these artists that were on this show are also songwriters. So there's original stuff that can come out real soon. I'm just super super pumped for them. So hats off to USA Shania Jake Travis big fans of what you do and I really hope that these artists take advantage of that opportunity because that door has been opened now, it's up to them to step through that door and see what Snack so appreciate you guys taking the time to listen to me rant if you get a chance and you feel this is share-worthy. I would appreciate that love to go and read your reviews and comments. Thank you very much for that as well. And if you're new to me and you haven't stepped over to the website yet taken the artist assessment. Go ahead and do that go to Rick Barker.com. And while you're there, like I said, you can take the artist assessment. You can also grab a free copy of my book and I will see you in the next episode. Ciao. I hope you enjoyed this episode to the music industry blueprint podcast. Be sure to subscribe and tell a friend remember there is no one-size-fits-all model when it comes to the music industry. So check out my website Rick Barker.com take the quiz and I will send you information specific to you to help make sure that you are on the right track. You've been listening to the music industry blueprint podcast with Rick Barker. You can follow Rick on Twitter at Brick Barker me. Sick, and remember you don't drown by falling into the water you drown by staying there. Sick, and remember you don't drown by falling into the water you drown by staying there.

Today’s episode features the TV shows “The Launch” and “Real Country”. Hear how these two shows are changing the music industry’s involvement in television and opening doors for young artists. In this jam-packed episode, find out how you can learn from the artists on these TV shows and find your own opportunities for success. “If a fan is an avid Facebook user don't expect them to go to Instagram to find you. You gotta meet them where they're at!” -Rick Barker What do you want to hear from the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? Tell us here! ***Want to be a guest on the Music Industry Blueprint Podcast? *** Send an email to [email protected] With the following information: Name, website, social handles, questions you would like to ask Rick and contact information   Time Stamps: 1:31 - Why The Launch started and how it differs from American Idol 3:38 - The problem that the show had and how Rick got involved to fix it 5:18 - The premise of Real Country and why it is a door for artists to walk through into success Resources: The Launch TV Show Scott Borchetta Real Country TV Show Connect with Rick: Facebook Instagram Youtube Twitter Soundcloud RickBarker.com Contact: [email protected] Contact: [email protected] for a chance to be a guest on the MIB podcast show --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/music-industry-blueprint/message

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I got my spirit fingers going. Alright, welcome in itself. Attend of the challenge War of the Worlds to all the partners. I've Loved Before we got our full panel in studio tonight. My name is Jenna bussiere. Thanks so much for joining us. We got Dan lingering to my left. I'm here guys. How you doing? He is here. He's present Pamela grows. Jill is present present. Hey, the Christopher's here. I am here. I am more than present. Yeah here you're here. Wow! Wait a minute. Is that the same thing? We're so excited to get into this episode. It was so good. We had such a good Asian a good challenge it's now a singles game we're gonna dive into this episode top to bottom talking about the new alliances how everybody is playing and their own game now the incredible Brattle the battle of the Brits at the end and how we're feeling about bears competitive level. We're going to go over the turbo and Hunter fight of course hundred being called a chicken and we got a special segment comment about the rookies from the season. So B-24 that we're so excited to get into it. So let's go over to our overall thoughts. I know Pam. Dying to talk about Kyle's hair. We're going to get into that the fact that his hair continues to grow at an alarming rate that season it's like what is this guy taking but let's go around and get everybody. Let's all talk about culture. He's got my comment was he's got the Snooki poof going from Jersey Shore and I love the elimination added a smart element to a strengthening and I love that. So that's why a strategy really, I mean Kyle like blocked a shot like it was a going to a basketball until I talk to you. Yeah, that's nice before we came in that this might have been the best episode of the Season or just one of our favorite episodes of I was entertaining entire time. I wasn't like thinking that I was like, oh my God, there's five minutes left ovary over it was great. So I did you guys like it so much. Well that I agree. It was great. There was drama there was I really the first I'm glad to see everybody. First of all playing in elimination game, especially excited for Dave and be rid of bear. She's probably the one that's most gonna benefit and as Kyle said, he's probably the one That's most gonna suffer for it. That looks so hard and crazy that fan a lip fandemonium. And then it was hilarious turbo and is just so funny. Everybody says larious and that fight was great entertainment for the drama and then that challenge I agree. I like when they if it was just trivia would have been boring. But trivia with the physical element was great like they are really nail. Saying these competitions this season. So this was chock full of entertainment. I agree. Yes it oh you said it on I feel like I was watching a movie and it like it started off. There's a drama. It was funny. There's like a good story and it ended with a happy ending. Yes and usually have not been feeling the episodes know and I like I told you guys I was like, I think this is my favorite episodes of are like I just like everything about it. There is good action. I love like the commentary is hilarious. I mean, there's moments I think two is more maybe like my guy thing, you know, but I like the Equity in the episode like the character like turbo was awesome in this. I really like that song a lot of Integrity. I loved it on and just little elements like that. I was like this is this is good. I like yeah, it's funny to say Integrity about a lot of the characters who are on the show at times but I agree absolutely loved the elimination. I loved the aspect of trivia and bears reaction him dropping to his knees so dramatically and I'm hearing that it was multiple choice and in perking up a little bit like when you walk into class and you have a pop quiz and your teachers like but don't worry. It's multiple choice. You're like, okay. There's this chance their chance, but I think and we'll get into everything about the elimination later on but I think that that trivia was enough to just send him into a spiral and completely knock him off of his game and he was just out of it, but we'll get into all of that great episode. So let's take it from the top. We obviously get back into the house after Cameron - or gone paulien ninja have just one and we see it's an individual game. Georgia has no plan David. Let's partner is Jesus and that she was He's out for number one. Anchor. She's always applying a singles game as we saw Kyle's obviously upset because he's no longer with Maddie who we see later on is an absolute beast. And then we get into this kind of poly and turbo conversation where it seems like these two are teaming up if you guys have any thoughts on that. I mean II love that actually, I think it's a good alliance. They haven't been really partnered with a lot of people. We know that Wes and Hunter and apparently Kyle which I thought Kyle Well, I guess he just plays both sides because I thought he was more involved in the UK Alliance, but they made it clear then the theorem bear were each other's number one West Hunter and Kyle so Polly and turbo are both let's be real pretty brutal competitors that everybody's scared of I thought that beginning was just a montage of all the guys going. We'll probably won't come after me and like most about it was really as much as you know, we may not love Polly's. Six off screen he's playing a great game. He's doing a good job. He hasn't gotten his hands too dirty. And he's done really well for Turbo and his turbo - to say Paulie scared. No one. I like that. He could strategy. It's like yeah, that's pretty damn. You can't really think that damn cave man, but he said verbatim. I mean, I can't speak Turkish never changed never change. No, I love the Simplicity of exactly Paulie not scared me. I like right Holly, but I agree. I think I think that that team is deadly like it's I mean it closing if you have like a CT and a West together, you know, it's like I think right in the longest time. That's like one of the team's it's good last time. We saw CT and West together. They won Rivals 3. So so that's something so it's cheaper. It's great. Trivia. Yeah. Well look Paulie has to team up with someone at this point because it's going to be guys versus the girls. The girls didn't get a vote tonight on who was going in there. So as we all know Wes Hunter and Kyle they're already all teamed up. I've been seeing that too. She's at least at least Hundred West for sure but I've always thought that Kyle was there to Paulie only has Theo bear and turbo to go with so and they knew that bear and Theo are kind of already teamed up supplies. Like I can't be in this alone. I need someone on my side and then they show that nice little scene with him and turbo teaming up to take had to do what he needed. Somebody the takeaways from that that scene where they're all that was over left and he had a good choice. Yeah, but take away from the scene when they're in the house is really just that Hunter and Wes are there not a good spot right now. They have the Brits going for them. Um, and then they have a dynamic duo and Paulie and turbo now going for them. So as good as West can compete. I don't think it's politics has been the best this season because he teamed with Hunter and we see how well Hunters doing politically in the game. And this is just now even a bigger Target. So yeah, it's really it's not a veteran's game anymore seat. He's Gone Bananas gone Ashley God going for Less. So not looking good for him. Yeah, but let's move on into the challenge of the day the first solo competition fan. Ammonium really good. So this is a fan that shoots out a hundred and fifty miles per hour worth of wind, which is what it category 4 hurricane. They said what I love kind of comical I love his coming of like, why did why did that not that ever seemed easy, but it didn't even seem like it was that what was some of that I mean Jen I like it. It gets me though to make it even more crappy is like they put you on this slick wet floor at the same time. So I used to make slip and slides out of that material as a kid, I grew up in the woods and we made slip in size out of this. It's not to be run on that's for sure. Well, you have a hundred fifty mile fan, right? We didn't even have though the wind passes right? Well, okay just to give a quick rundown. So Georgia got zero Hunter got six turbo got 790 got for Theo. Got seven ninja got five bear got six, but he thought he got a date. At 1D got zero Paulie 7 Cara five Maddie seven Kyle. Seven West six. I admit was it didn't have to be in all it became a guy's elimination. But the tribunal was made up of guys. It could have been a girl my question about this is I have to imagine there's some equalizer like the fans were blowing as hard because this is still waiting. I mean, I don't know and it doesn't really matter but wait is obviously a factor like poor Georgia like literally was as day said blown up. Toss, like she she couldn't move and Hunter even was running in place until you sort of God. Yes. It was crazy. Yeah Pam, you know, it's funny because I was literally thing that same thing. Yeah, that sounds like there's no way like this not fit like Jen you running that thing compared to like Hunter anything. I'm right. That's not fair, you know, so there has to be something to make that makes it really does not think I can handle this competition outside. My body weight of my Fighters that balls not is probably did a hell of a job. I do feel bad for Jordan the beginning because she has no pain weight like that girl is in a toothpick She's Gotta Die offs. Looks like twinkle 28 o d surprisingly. It was awful D was awful tonight. And Georgia was awful tonight. Not a girl. He was trying to jump walk her way through that shoes get low and like it had these like weird. Well the key is to get love with you other keys to keep that ball directly in front of you and just hug it if you move even an inch to left You're right. It's gone the back of the whole thing. So yeah, unfortunately, yeah my girl d-o-d you need to step up your eyes. If I'm picking to go to the finals the right now not looking good for you Haven T her credit pretty much you know, most of the girls didn't do very well. You know, I don't know man 7, but that come on that's different actually did really well Natalie Natalie got five, Georgia got zero hunger and car. Didn't too bad. She got five. Yeah. I mean the only yeah. Yeah D Georgia, and then I think my girl their day today only got one. Yeah, they didn't do to ya know and and I'm sure it was so hard. But the other thing is this one there wasn't a huge benefit from watching the people before you because you couldn't see that would you really even say they're like, oh he's not coming out of there. Like they were they were in a tunnel. You didn't know what they were doing in their concept is simple enough. I don't think you're going to really get that much of a strategy by watching people. I guess maybe you can see how they're starting to fall and what parts maybe more. With another short height of almost of where to put the ball bear. That's the main thing we have to talk about that before we do though. Some turbo voltar bogos, we've completed over him and he be said he swallows the Hurricane Hole so much that the medic said have to go losing and raised. I like rattled. I feel so bad for him. He gets medical attention. They put a breathing tube on it and that he just perks up but it's like how to do though, but how did it go? And that's the back he's joking about the fact that he almost died. But all he cared about was how he I did and I just God bless turbo Turbo. He is absolute best. I thought again naughty did really well and I love what turbo said. This is what I said about not he's not only got none the only got Fortune to that great. Well, that's she's such a she's getting pal and I'm just saying what happened right like Cara and ninja got five. I guess cows had like six to or whatever, you know. Yeah, like all right. She is abstract. Human. Goddamn, you're wrong. Yeah not but the thing about nany is that she's like a challenge Marvel. We're even turbo said she doesn't work out. She doesn't run but she's still really fast and good and she's not like this Fitness Guru right girl say that they are like my my fitness boy, but yet she's makes it very far and she's a really good competitor. She's Theo no shocker that he did really. Well. I mean, he was a Olympic Athlete. He's probably used to training and Nations like this, you know sometimes and they put the parachute on your back just make elements really difficult to breathe and all that. So he did really well with seven Paulie did really well with 7. We get a very quick Montage of him. Not much to see there we know is going to Beast it was anybody no surprise that car did as well she did it doesn't make sense especially because I've defended her so much because she's a really good competitor, but I feel like the last two seasons. She's been very hit-or-miss in competitions. So I actually was may be expecting her not to do as well this this game and she did really well. She did good. Good on my tires to I think she's strong. I mean she's her strength. She's physically strong that's not so in things were being strong helps. I think she does. Well, I mean they're in that winged vest to that can't be helping if you put your arms out a little bit the winds gonna catch it some Darkwing Duck action there that's showing my age. Yeah that TV show references. I want you to down. So do you guys agree with Wes when he says that Maddie is the best girl in the show in a long time. Yeah, well, I don't yes and no, I mean for many reasons of like just being a beast and killing it. Yeah, of course, but I mean politics I'm still get to see you know, I mean, it's still kind of new in the Baltic game. So yeah as far as a competitor, yeah, she kills it. I like twice as breakdown though. She asked she asks if she asks, she's the best. I mean, they're definitely some is something to be said for the other, you know, really outstanding female competitors Laurel Emily. Maddie are our beat like Do you know it's a I'm sorry guys, but sometimes Size Matters, you know, like it is it's a you know, it's there's other really Scrappy great competitors that do really well and can win but just that's a factor like it is for guys, especially amongst the girls. We don't see a lot of girls of her size, right? I mean her and Theo it's like the wind hitting a flagpole like it was just sort of move through it it helps, you know, my theory with her at least so far in this isn't like crediting her at all because obviously mad he killed it. But I feel like she's more of just like a quick shooter. We haven't seen her go distance yet. So I'm curious to see if she can laugh at the rafts. That's the last thing we need to see besides possibly a puzzle challenge because I moved there haven't been that many of us. She doesn't have many opportunities to perform there. We asked me puzzles and running 18 miles. Yeah, so she's good short-term so far, but let's see her play the long game. So alright. So the grand finale is bear bear you had it. I was actually rooting for you because yeah, you could talk a big game, but you always back it up and Had it you would have one. I don't know if he would have got the most amount of balls the fastest. I think you probably would have but how does he think like, where is he throwing the ball? Just getting up there? That's suck so much because I absolutely see myself doing something like that like running up jumping so until icon beasting it I got this and then just making the most obvious wrong move the entire time. It's not like he went first either right? So like I don't know if other people are like, yeah, there's like a Ben you gotta throw him in like what do you think and do not see the balls fly by hey there? There's a lot going I'm hoping to see those two balls that were just hanging out in the back behind them the entire time what I mean right now, you think that they explain the rules? Oh, yeah, he didn't listen man. Let me listen good enough clearly. Yeah and your tunnel vision about being better than everybody else. He's now just like Donahue's wanting to have one. Here's the one good thing. I will say because I'm not a fan of bear. But I will I will give him his credit if the dope just like put it over we're supposed to he would have won and I give him credit for that because I he did get the most out of all the guys realistically technically. Yeah. In time and I'm technically not and also fake technically not because it's easier to get more faster when you're not putting them as far time out. He was dead. He messed yet. He went to the same distance. You just put it down instead of putting it over the thing he gave us a second. No it is it's a game of seconds here was yeah. I'm just saying just the fact alone that he got the most balls out of all the guys. That's what and if the other guys didn't do it properly. They probably could have got more getting in that every record same distance. Yeah, he put it in the wrong spot. Yeah, he didn't put it as fuck. Whatever. I understand what you're saying. We're talking about a foot if the best part which is kind of a lot from where he threw him. Well, he was confident that he got the most balls and that was the best part of it. Yeah. It's amazing. The bombshell was dropped and you automatically You like TJ didn't even really have to explain it that they're like he just said well I told you guys you have to get it into the box and he's just like no and I'm thinking no bear. I want to throw one throw something interesting at you guys. Just so you know throw it, you know stuff. You know, let's talk. I'm not even like make sure to get it in the bed. You don't exactly you know, those talking head things that they do after that affect his commentary was like, oh I ruled this child. He has to lie during that talking. I just find it. So interesting they have to lie about winning there because he already knows he had lost a filling. Um that who knows a month later. What if they do it right after he was all dressed up and clean and another outfit. So the point is it's like there's like multiple ones of him that they show on this episode of him like, oh, I'm the best. I'm the best. I'm like dude, you just you're acting congratulations very active course you are but of course not I just found it very interesting because he clearly lost that's why this was so incredible to watch because not just did he think he won when he didn't and we all know but he It was so beyond even Beyond bear obnoxious obnoxious and hey loser dad who passed we tired with and I'm the best on the best. I can't wait to put you in the you know, he knows cock if I do this, I do want to say that I do again. I applaud thee like obviously I props u.s. I like how West took his last. You know, he gave that's why he agreed he was you know, he was not like bear. He wasn't talking crap. He wasn't like a sore loser. And he was like you're at that point though. He had nothing this he West I say anything but I mean, I appreciate that me too. I do too bold and we're going to get into it a little bit with a hunter fight, but you look you saw West with his glasses on. All right. Hello and good humor. Because at that point it's getting down to the nitty-gritty and I would have been frustrated anyway, and just been like hmm, like even if there's nothing to say, it's hard to kind of keep your cool when someone's getting under skin. You can't give in to somebody looked exactly like even if I want it like I seriously hate it. So well, I don't know if I would have at that point coming out. I'm so being like loser. I would like to just go wet. Like, I don't know if I would have been able to be as cool as well as all right? So we see who wins. Whoo. Gets the most balls the fastest it is Paulie Theo and turbo. So this is a solid tribunal. They're all kind of on the same side here. So it's just down with West Hundred Kyle at this point and what we are about to get into that want to say thanks to everybody in the live chat who's to tuning in? We see all of your comments your Karen with us and Dan has a special word for you. Yeah. Hey guys working about our next topic is want to thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk. You want to leave us a comment that be great. You can hit that subscribe button to our To show her possibly another after show here at AfterBuzz TV. We've got a lot of them, you know also AfterBuzz, it means the world to us. And in fact, it means the solar system to me. Okay. So if you guys want to be a part of the chat, just please keep leaving comments. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much again, and we're going to move on now gotta move on. So we got our tribunal and we figure out this is a guy's elimination. The girls are so stoked. Why wouldn't you be and they are safe for this week. So then we get into our tribunal interrogation room. And again, it's Polly Theo, I'm turbo up there. The first one is Hunter and I love that Hunter has like a pre-practice. Speech. Oh, yeah, he walks in here with like this Rocky Any Given Sunday inspirational quote and he gets like three letters in interpose. Like wait. Wait. Yeah. It was like, yeah, we didn't address you yet. Like that's it. You're beautiful dressy you and Hunter is just really no he's not happy about the sea. So taking it back. He wanted his ever given Sunday moment. You practice in the mirror for this y'all that's what you are not interrupting this speech he gets into it and it's basically about like not doing your taxes, but it's not sucking up to people. He wanted Hunters Hunters political game is awful. He whoever his speechwriter is for that whatever politician help them write that speech was awful. I need Somethin. Yay Hunter this season is not playing the game properly. It's just it's awful. I picked and I picked him go to the finals and I'm like, but I'm not going to say I'm not going to change it at the same time. He's playing awful. Okay, I'm done with I'm done with I'm done with Hunters politics. I got angry at you know, obviously that Hunter I like you man. You're a good guy. But uh, yeah, the season just sucks. Yeah, that's a good way to play. Well Hunter said he wanted to get his chip back on his shoulder and it seems like he did so good for you Hunter. Yeah. I think he's trying to pump himself up by shooting himself in the foot. Yes, so we were tactic. But sometimes you just gotta you know, that's a great way of saying it. Yeah, like he's so unhinged that Don't know where he's coming from the season and I usually I mean I have a blow place my heart for Hunter but he is out of off his rocker right now. So then West centers and Theo's kind of dog and him for having a bad performance and he takes it he understands but things coming out his old age here is if he's like 17 years ago the challenge house. You probably literally is compared to feel he's probably at least I bet he's ten year 11. He's 10 to 15 years older than videos like 24 you think of something? Yeah, I bet he's yeah I bet Wes is 37. Oh No, Wes has no anyway, I'm 33 years old and I'm like, I don't know how I feel like Wes, isn't it doesn't matter. But yes, it's funny that it's like your age. So I think he was just gently ribbing him. Well and Wes is right though. He's like Thea when you have a bad day way to stir up all this because I'm just going to get right back to you man. All right, that's funny the Politics as we've seen time and time again, and he says, well, you know, there's bigger fish to fry. I'm not going for any of you. I'm not saying any of your name, so maybe you should and there's plenty of people who are so maybe you fell for that. So I was able to I was way out of this one again and you can see all of them like oh, yeah. Yeah. Well he is he's if he's strictly going after bare Bears. The only one that's not in that courtroom scene. So they know not to West has been going after he hasn't gone out for any of the guys and it worked in the end because turbos like West never said my name absolutely. So then let's move on to I always felt it's so funny because I think Polly really does have Kyle's number. Turbo or Theo? I don't remember one of them said oh you want everyone to underestimate you were everyone underestimates you and Polly said what we figured out two seasons later like oh Kyle wants everyone to underestimate him. He is good at this and Paulie knows it now. I don't think it's about that rivalry anymore. I think at this point. He's like no now I want you and because you're a real competitor, you've made it this far you don't suck as much as you play that you suck and that really interesting. I'll damn right? There's a string called him on it, which is like obviously we all know that and but I think two would Paulie the fact that he actually admits that right? No, you are good like instead of like, oh my kill you I hate to but he's like, no he I have respect for you. He's won two eliminations this season alone, Kyle Kyle. Yeah, and actually some pretty decent ones. Yeah. Yeah, and this one Bears no, well, we'll get there later. But yeah, I thought that was a moment. I really liked in the can I say one quick thing about bear not getting picked into the the three guys. He was all pumped up about it. I'm like do they can still take you in the end and the three that got picked are all buddies. Well, stay gonna pick eye the whole time. I go Bears gotta go in because Kyle West and Hunter are friends. So whoever gets buried. Why would they vote for each other? Yeah gonna say I was pretty bummed and when they first chose who's going and I was like God damn it. I was like ironic bear to go in so bad, but then I remembered after the only he can still go because he's still going right shrug. My shoulders to it's always that issue like yes, I like it, but it's also okay. Yeah these three people are safe and other such a small. Pool of people to choose from that means even if you're not called into elimination directly by the tribunal or you're not voted as one of the three people you're still like just as unsafe, but let's move on to this fight. Okay, so they don't have to go out to consume a ton of alcohol. Obviously, I think is the denominator in this fight, but probably not a turbo side, but I think Hunter obviously has a really bad temper is a big problem with Alcohol, I'm Tony like drink a little less Samurai my stop taking remember for that's what Tony like every night would get into what we buy anybody who would entertain dong sounds. Yeah. I honestly feel and again, like I said, I like Hunter man, but I feel there's something off of them to season. I think at that point to I think he really wants a minute and I feel like maybe he's feeling threatened a little bit. You know, I mean, it was car sure. It's definitely coming out. He's trying to put this Privado and just be any kind. I think he does feel threatened and just like a turbo called it. He's like I smell fear. Aha. Usually when someone acts of that is because yeah, you feel threatened and you're trying to like make up for it, you know, and he's compensating for nakum competing. Well performing well by just yelling about how strong and tough he is and that he can take out anybody in turbos probably the strongest most muscular guy left in the house. So he obviously picks the biggest guy and says, well, I would beat you in a wrestling. Okay competition, but we can't do that here because I got kicked off, you know, let me let me say my hot take on this fight and good. It's art it off as a joke Hunter clearly teasing. That's what I'm saying. Maybe not you about turbo. Oh, right. Your Hunter is so easily manipulated that everybody else West who says usually it will calm him down wanted the the to be thrown on him. Oh those guys are master instigators. So what Hendricks clearly making a joke saying I think I could take anybody maybe not. You to Turbo though. They the guys turn it into Kyle or I think is like what are you saying about it whines him up to the point where Turbo then literally perks up and is like, what's he saying about me and West gives us nervously hunter gets seriously mad. The whole thing was just Hunter being getting like wrongly strictly know you fought with bear Over Georgia win again. I maintain that she was like sit down. He's an idiot. There's a whatever you are getting yourself in fights that you don't believe in. Yeah, it's a me the first thing he said about just like wrestling anybody that he was he was making a joke to Turbo because turbo is a macho dude and then someone prodded him into just over again theater and feel comes over and then it's all then that's what he said. I could take you with one arm tied behind my back to Rocky was so joking. Yeah, it wasn't even cause obviously he cannot do that. So it's a joke, right? That's not true. I'm glad you guys brought it up from the beginning because it's Hard to to remember how it got started because all you see at the end is Hunter in the hallway being held back and restrained property yelling at turbo and you're just thinking like Hunter what are you doing man? Because turbo he wants to fight back and get into it. But you seem to say is like it's not worth it and walk away, but he was trying to front or not. He was trying to show off the next day by wearing that tank top around the house showing look at these muscles. You still think you could take me he was showing out the next day. I think that's actually running by the whole situation though is because it even Though he's making that joke. He already showed respect it to Ryan, except you maybe not you that's why the hold it's like he's ready to give me respect saying no and then someone someone says something I don't know who was and then then he said he points out Fields as well. I could take you then the course that set Theo off which wise why shouldn't it set the alarm you're calling him out you'd like what and then of course then now turbos like wait was he joking with me or not? So then that now it's two versus one and Hunter is just so manipulated influence. No, he's like I don't want to hear because I'm having the best English turbo has the best comeback. This Cricket thing is great. You're not God and he's like no, I'm human goes me too. Great a lot of chicken and protein with the wind is just such a clearly drunk and they made him think he picked funstro. Oh, yeah, you can. You almost want it so bad for hunters to and West lick was sitting there with his Tom Cruise why I don't own a Hawaiian shirt collar popped. It is yes, Risky Business and his sunglasses not coming Hunter down because for once it's like if it's you or me. Yeah. All right. We got to move on to the Killing Floor though because we're getting down to the wire here and this elimination was amazing. So we obviously we get to The Killing Floor turbo despite what we all think we think is going to call a hunter right? He does pick Kyle instead because these The west and Hunter saved in the last time he was in elimination. Theo calls out west and then Paulie, of course, the only has to do this whole dramatic Cliffhanger and then it just comes back to go and for you too. Kyle my baby boy absolute like weirdly flirt with Kyle. So how about giving away key like Kyle I gotta go for you Kyle and polish it really that run off together. So Kyle is ready Bell like he gets down there and he's between bear West and Hunter and Even though that's what it came down to I still was shocked that he picked bear. But he had what do you think? You know what time it was? I didn't realize he was with Hunter and West that I thought he was in an equal alliance with bear. Also, I think bear is better. I guess I thought he might pick hunter because Hunter was sort of the most let me let me throw this at you though. He's got it's two versus one pretty much. So because Weston Hunter are already a team or he can go solo with bear. Well, that's so why not go west and Hunter because didn't you have a actions dummy Kyle said I just thought they were British besties. That's all I started to tell. Well I checked there was the new Kyle 2.0 when he came up to the challenge. I thought they were best friends, but does he I did it but hanging out with each other though. I thought I thought Kyle was always a question Hunter. I thought it was more of a bear Theo. Oh in - Alliance on that sorry. Yeah, I know because Kyle still part of like the challenge crew, you know, I mean, even though he's not a rookie, right? Yeah, so but I mean two things from this the beginning first again, I want to bring up. I love freaking turbos Integrity man. I love the fact because you thought for sure he would call a hunter and you have the right to that fight everything. You're like, okay, he's calling Hunter and the fact that he didn't like already like the guy and then that made me like him ten times more. I'm like, dude, you're screwed my God, you're a good dude. So I like the fact that We called an with Polly and Kyle. They're pretty much having like a bromance during this little guy. Did we knew it? And then you see cars is getting so pissed off. I love it. I love when she gets like Snot. I think Molly wanted to pick Wes and make sure I agree. I hate him. I did a complete right 360 exercise. Yeah, I really feel like if it wasn't for a car. I think he would have went. Well, I agree. He should have gone Wes, he should have had any opportunity get West out of the game. I'm sorry much more politically you guys all think he's having a bad season. Or some people some people do I think he's gonna be just fine. I could take down West it would've been great because then you would have Wesson bear finally, you know, so to been either way could all right. So the elimination itself king of the world is the most perfect illumination for these two it has just enough competition and athleticism where it makes us this really rough battle and Kyle performed extremely well, but it has the trivia element to it where it's like they're so screwed. Entire time that everybody is just yelling out answers, but it doesn't make sense because if you're trying to help one person it's a dead giveaway what the answer is for both of them, right? I don't think anybody in the stands trust their intellect at all or their capability to figure out trivia questions. They're just yelling at the answer. So they just make it a physical one on it. I gotta say I would have totally relied on the physical aspect of this competition. I wouldn't even like I would've been checked out already on the question part. You have to find the path of any although. I mean, yeah, but I mean, I'd be listening to the audience and you know and I think like oh, yeah, I'm gonna know what this is. I'm like, let's just see what happens when we go that is she too is you could just wait for the opponent to figure out the right answer and then you just attack them when they get get the ball and trying this I can obviously handless like no offense. Yeah, but to be honest the best strategy would be to solve the answer before the balls drop fine. Where's try to find a button that basket and see where it lands though. I mean you want first dibs on that ball, but it didn't really seem like they were thinking of that they just ran towards each other and hope that one of them had the right answer. Yes, and I you know, it was yelling about to though. I'm Different forward a little bit. But again, I want to say what I noticed a long time and I know me and you generate debating on this, but even when we saw bear go again, excuse me, go against Gus, like the guy doesn't have heart and that's a big reason why I'm not a fan of them and it needs a lot of bark a lot of like show. He's a lot of smoke and mirrors and like at least that's how I feel and every time he's been in that challenge like when Gus took it to you saw him tap out already. Like I said Gus lost he beat himself. Don't beat him Gus peed himself and then you saw tonight like he lost Like two rounds before you actually lost right now and he didn't like I think on that he and I again think Kyle who is way smarter than he pretends to be also a factor in him picking bears that since his thinking he won. He was a master of that daily challenge and then realizing that he wasn't I think he was dejected to begin with and another shout-out to Georgia what that we all had a Georgia and our lives are like you're the best. You're the sexiest Retro follow me around participation trophy saw a molecule or also the prettiest boy sexy back in a little bit to the house. Sorry real quick, you know, she's not his girlfriend. But can we give like the girlfriend of the Year while I do like, I'm happy tonight and I can't help but sometimes like loving them so much fun. It's at the end of the day. You have to remember fares a fool and played it and stuff, but bear starting to grow on me and And I actually am going to miss him and I was sad that he left but I think kind of happy. I think I'll completely deserve to win this couple. Yes was so much better than bear mentally physically. He had that sick block on bear 1 bear had the one choice the third time the ball drop, uh-huh there. We got it immediately did a spin move and was headed straight towards a beeline towards the bucket and Kyle ripped it caught up with him and then blocked. It's like watching a really good. Yeah. He was all over. Like it could have been anyone's game and I think that prior to the game even again, he was dejected from that. I don't think he thought he was going to go in. I think he was sort of beat before he was ready even started and trivia. Oh my God, I heard it was trivia. Forget it. Yeah, and Kyle was saying the night before like, you know, when you just feel it like it's going to Kyle was the opposite. He felt like I'm going to just go in and and win and that's a big part of it. So there's nothing about barely you guys are going to miss. No. Okay, so amusing but oh, yeah. I'm done with him now. It's like yeah, we've got enough characters and enough going on that now that it's a little more serious. I am I'm he was really amusing but I'm happy to see him go. Do you think going forward Georgia is mentally tapped out of this game? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. I mean damn those tears. Yeah like Georgia. I mean, I feel like she loves him. Well, I guess she's like some freaking like just dumped on the guy. I Know Who You Are Our friends in the house. Who does she hang out with besides bear. I think she gets along with agree, but I just wanted to see if she had to she have like a bestie like smelling it. I don't think anybody hates her and we just haven't really seen well as we can survive we've seen in past challenges. So it's important to have people that you get along with in the house is hugging her. Yeah, she was there for her bear left and she asked her to come with her when it was the I think she closed with all the girls and I think everyone loves all I think Kyle is going to go very far and I think that he's He's doing very well. And I was shocked to see bear. 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I was happy to see how win which is why I didn't want to see him in his hair go home. I want that. We need to see Kyle when the final he's just gonna have a full-blown. Down to his ways. Kyle's here is going to eat his prediction time. And now you're AfterBuzz TV. Okay. So next week is a girl's elimination week. How are we feeling about the girls in general right. Now, you know, I feel like by knowing that like, I almost feel like the guys didn't really need to try as hard knowing that like, they're not going to be up on the chopping block, right because girls didn't know tonight. Yeah, so they already know that so I almost feel like do they even quality they care but I mean, well, it'll be interesting to see what they do a point because you probably get so now that A lemon now that its individual does Kyle other than is his Burger King Prize the prize. Yeah, and you know what? Yeah, which was cute. That was nice. Yeah, it's really hard to say. I mean, unfortunately I'm going to have to say George's at the bottom of the competitor. You got Maddie ninja Cara Nani and D left and it depends what it's going to be like it's anybody's game because George was also been surprising and every competition. So and you're right it is He's game, but I'm I'm gonna look at the preview that we saw right at the end of the episode. Okay, because it's all I can do for a clue for they show Cara in nany fighting right? So I'm going to go if you had to pick between those two. I'm going 90 goes home next week. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm gonna go ahead then and protect unfortunately, Georgia. I do think with a that these other women are where our beasts and be I just think her Hearts left the I think people might stay away from Georgia just for another week or two. She said we should we competitor baby. She really? Yeah, we competitor. I think this was not God's zero tonight or nany or car if you're not and you have to pick who to go against your thinking George. Thank you, sir. I'm with you Pam. Yeah, maybe if you're going into the killings were just talking to girls that are left. I think that George is the weakest one. I'm thinking that they specifically showed Nani and Cara that is going to something. Gonna happen between them to sort of thing and I think Georgia May slip under the radar just because of the situation that she was he going on between Cara and nany that's going to overtake everything. I know somebody but George is actually a type. I think it would be good at a final because I think she'd be good at endurance and the puzzles and all of those like little things that make up a final. Yeah then head to head so you're right. She could very well get called into elimination because I mean they're not going to pick him up. Right like a ninja while we do actually have a few minutes. We had the special segment. Okay for Kudos a pam pam. You wanna kick it off? All right. Okay, so not based on competition like this isn't a prediction. Who do you think's going to make it based on who you like the best two guys and two girls. They are the most. Yes you guys and two girls from the rookies. Would you like to see in their 34 then I have known the net. Who would you like to stay for another season? My guys are ready. All right. I got my guys too are you doing that's why I wrote down. I forgot about him hearts. Oh, I was gonna say Baron Theo but obviously turbo that's why I said, duh. I'm going turbo and bear just because I think we all are in this season. Yeah, he breathes like if we all go Barren turbo go something different just on same turbo. Absolutely. Not bear, but I know he's gonna be by default just because he's a character so that's a given but you gotta pee I'm not saying bear I'm saying turbo. I don't know who I'll so like the answer is Bear. Yeah, I got to pick girls now. Hold on obviously as George's ride-or-die for bear. I'm a writer-director, Georgia my girls love her. She got to come back. I gotta go. I'm Maddie. I'll go Maddie and Maddie, I would say Maddie as well as well. There's a little bit of Cockiness but in both of them though, you could be cocky. That's fine. And they definitely have the ability to bad think we gotta wait to see who gets the finals. I don't know I'm going home. So I think we can almost agree that those so we if we're representing the fan population that might be that those will be the callbacks or will see Ninja and D are closed and Theo I have give them at the runner-ups is is ninja D&D and Thea it. Also it also makes you know who makes it as far like whoever makes the first is gonna have a better chance to come back because you've got to see more of them true. That's true. So yeah. A shout out to our live chat loved by you wants to see Georgia and D. Okay. Banana, boom. Yes, this answer. He said I choose shaylene ninja and Maddie Zack Ronald like Co and turbo everybody likes Theo and turbo and turbo see that. They're not using bear because he's the enemy guy, but but people are going to want to see us on there by default. He's gonna be here is what happens with Baron Georgia to which so the And that's why another reason George could be back if they bring their back. They got to see them in a house being X is well, that's how does it work with Maddie and Indra Andy all of them get along with people and aren't in a relationship. So there's no effing and there's no Edmund. There's no fighting. There's no ethics. So it's they haven't developed really strong storylines and just bring she leaned back. Yeah. Do you laughs? I'm so excited for how it's going to unfold. Thank you guys. Guys, thanks a lot of chatters. We love y'all. My name is Jennifer serum on Twitter and Jonah underscored bus here and we're going to wrap up for tonight the Dan Linger on Instagram. 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Before I continue one of the ways, we keep all of our content for you. The listener free of charge is our amazing sponsors, and today anchor is one of those sponsors. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchors going to distributor podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and everywhere podcasts are listened to and you can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor Dot f m-- to get started. It's episode 6 of The Challenge War of the Worlds tonight in Love and War. All right P Leroy gone too soon, but we did get to meet his partner Shailene tonight and we heard her voice for the first time. The entire season Wes is coming for that UK Alliance and we got a bunch and love and flirtation going out of this house. So we'll be right back with our AfterBuzz TV recap and what Dan just a second you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN. Of tv top now, let them drop the ball there man. My name is Jenna bussiere. Thanks for tuning in. We got a full panel tonight. Dan is to my left. I'm here love the format this season. Yes challenge elimination. Every episode agree. Loving this. These are such exciting episodes. It was just boom boom boom action at your seat trauma here for it. Yeah. I hate the format. This is not like anything you guys just said, I totally disagree and I'm just kidding. It's awesome. How you guys doing? Good? I guess there was a lot of drama between relationships and Mr. Leroy and Cam. I like seeing that spark and Leroy we're gonna get into everything on tonight's agenda. We're talking the daily challenge, of course entire challenge was awesome. We're going to go into the weird romantic that occurred tonight A Lot dealing with naughty some of Leroy and can get all of our opinions on that the elimination Wes comb for the UK Alliance as well as bear and Devon stepping up during the elimination and just will talk more about bear and his Antics and how we're feeling about him. Okay, so I want to get some overall thoughts want to propose some questions to you guys after tonight's episode. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on bear. Okay took like right off the bat right off the bat. Um, I can see potentially how he's charming and that he's funny and he'd be a funny person if you knew him and he was your friend. I also think Georgia is so sweet. And so totally Buy Saying what he's selling and Wes is correct. He is he is lying manipulating probably. I don't know if he's using her or if he just does like to have many women. I think he's sucks that like as in terms of this. I think he's awful and he's trying to get air time. I think he's you know, just trying to do things for attention and I feel bad for Dave on for having to deal with him and I really my heart breaks for Georgia. Like that was awful hearing someone that you're into Not feeling the same way or whatever and then him lying about it. So I think he sucks but I can I can understand his charm to stomachs. I would like to know what he's like off camera and in real life because I feel like he is playing it up for the camera a bit. But I agree with you where I could see he's at personality where if you love him you love him when he's high. He's high and he's charming and he's on your side. But when he's obnoxious, he annoys you to the core and is so frustrating to be around. So I go back and forth. Same thing. I can see his charm but it's also Like your antics buddy like you are playing out that reality TV star character. What do you guys I said last week he was gonna make it up to us this week. He was TV gold this week last week. It was I didn't want to listen to it. I was very entertained by bear tonight very satisfied with him in this. Yeah. Yeah, you know my opinion still really hasn't changed. I feel like he's still putting up a show would but to, you know his credit this episode he did deliver and he was better as far as a performer so that I'll give him that you know, as far as the likable. I don't know. I'm not really into the guy. To be honest, but again, I do died. He did great this episode and you know, I'm curious to see what happens to him and Wes I really hope Wes just you know, I love what West said to him and I want to see it. So let's see what happens. I love Nani so much by the way that this is sort of what swayed me that there wasn't just awful. First of all, he did tone it down this week agreed. He wasn't as over the top and ridiculous where it took you out of the show. And nany I think is so great and so sincere and she said that he's Fun and nice and stuff. So I sort of trust that he has because she thinks that that's how I mean, I don't know him, but I'll know you're saying I think that's almost like a sociopathic personality trait that he might possess kind of like Paulie where you can turn on the charm when he walks but like you did to Georgia. He's flirting with Georgia, but he's going behind Jordan's back telling Donny. He is more attracted to her and then lying to George's face and George's believing it. So I think he has that charm that bad boy sort of feeling towards women that if a Girl Wants Wants to fall for that she will believe what he's saying because she wants to yeah, wait you guys are trying to tell me that there's a guy on this show that wants to date more than one girl. This is crazy any accent played up and the accents and get away with these lies by because Georgia is so ride or die. So she is the chick you want to your corner. She's a great partner to Hunter. She's a great girl to Bear the bear is doing her dirty, you know, and she'd Georgia seems Grace really? As but she is naive straight up. She's naive. She's been playing then she has that kind of heart and she's honest. She's so shy going to believe people. That's why I think Bears be something that's exactly lie to somebody in that manner. But anyway, we got a ton of stuff to get to tonight, but moreover all thought questions. I want to know if you guys hang off the bat think cam is playing Theo for politics or if there are feelings there. Does it hurt I feel I do feel she is playing for politics. And I also think she's trying to poke a Leroy Leroy little bit. I really do. I feel like she's you know, she plays like a genuine but I really think there's a little part of her that is also trying to get under your skin a little bit, you know, because enjoyable why is he trying to get under the person? I think you try to get in early where I skip because she is mad about all the things that he did to hers and relationship. I don't think she has feelings for Leroy at all. I don't think she's like trying to do. Oh Pam May disagree. Here we go. I think that's exactly why it's almost like spite you know, right? That's what I think too. I think she is genuinely hurt. I'd like to know and to hear and see what exactly happened when she was all in and he made it clear that he didn't want to be in a relationship because she said that we don't see or hear any of that and it seems like he's all in I think because she was hurt by him. Then she's definitely enjoying, you know, pushing his buttons. It's like you didn't want me then and not but some other guys paying attention to me here in to me. I don't think she's not right on anything that Cam said meaning I'm single. He made it clear. He didn't want to be a relationship. I'm free to flirt with whoever I want. And I do think she is into Theo but I don't she cam is not dumb cameras not you know going for a crush to ruin her game. I think there's some game involved. I'm like Cara who I still think has a little thing for Kyle. I think cam wants nothing to do with Leroy. Really? Yeah see my observation when Leroy lost in the elimination and Theo came over and rubbed cams back. It looked like Theo was giving her the look like, yes, we can finally be together now. And it's almost like cam lost her real love. She looked like she looked at the like oh, this isn't as fun anymore sell it without it being a game without it being a that's a conspiracy. If I ever heard one right there. That is what I have taught you. Well well, but I will say the way that the editing's of the confessionals went. I'm not doubting cam story. I believe she's honest when she says Leroy didn't Be in a relationship because why is she getting that from where I greet, you know their real life. We don't know the extent of this but I will say all of leros confessionals was about how much he loved Cam and he we never got to hear his side of what happened off camera. They never said like they chose us shout to see this was absolutely that's why I'm saying this is so interesting. So Leroy took to Twitter, which I'm so sure a lot of you guys have seen already and he said to MTV you guys are really playing me this season with the The bullshit edit, you know damn. Well, this isn't the real story and then cam tweeted know your worth and Leroy tweeted really Camp. You're going to sit here and play along with this, you know, this isn't what really happened. So, I mean, we have no idea of the challenge so much and I wish I could go back to the days before social media ruined everything because I'm sure there was manipulation and editing back then but we couldn't feel bad about it. But now it's like till we don't know what's going on, right? It wasn't called out like this. So now we can't see that and not go Leroy. Tell us your side. I mean leave early. We were look like a sad lost puppy tonight. So maybe he's also just a little butt hurt. He's like, I don't like how I was portrayed there. Let me just throw out that something else have but I will never tell you what it is because if you something else happened, why didnt you say? Yeah, but I don't think that that's not Leroy style man, you know what? I mean? Like maybe that could be maybe part of it of course, but I think I read there's always two sides to a story. You know, I Roy style is going home early on the chat with lately it has They're all cute and his Straw Hat just look at like he was a mess tonight. Grow out there trying to look back and see how for another couch. I thought it was so cute that he was shedding his feelings with the confessionals and kind of keeping an eye on her. How do you guys like their secret corner at the end of the table? What was that? No one can see in our secret Corner. We'll get more into this Saga later and how they handled it after going out, but I was just kind of right off the bat. But let's get into this episode. Let's just take it start to finish. We're going to get into the challenge elimination everything. So hang with us. Don't worry. We got some news and gossip and predictions coming at the end of the episode as well. So let's start it out the episode opens the UBC that the house is divided between the UK people and the American vets and then we also cut to bear and Nami flirting and I have a conspiracy theory about this. Yeah, the The Producers told West to go stand up there so he could hear it all like he's the only one listening. Into that box. Okay, you might be more wealth than I am though, because that's better that makes more sense. Well, tell me what conspiracy theory is. So we see Nani and bear sitting on this couch and bears flirting with her saying I'm more attracted to you than George. I wish I'd gone for you both and Wes creeps on the corner and he's saying this is perfect for me to split up the UK Alliance entirely and I'm thinking it's nany is a ploy and and as a part of myself game and this is all confused. That's a deep that Connie. Get this you are too kind of flirt with me and I'll be this little Pond bringing him in so that we can drop a bomb on Georgia. So stay woke y'all very creative there. I like I like where your head's at. I don't know if I'm buying and sometimes I'm out really quick side note it does anybody else find it very like coincidental that, you know card just happened to hear a conversation the very same way that Wes had Fashion, I'm sure so I'm not judging that right is that just an interaction is walls are just saying that is a good that's a good conspiracy that it's like how do the people that are relevant to this conversation and want to use the material just happened to be walking by. I mean, look what happens at the beginning of this episode. You see Leroy saying, hey, they're going after everyone. But me and then he goes home right there. I was like, well, that's some foreshadow. He was throwing her face. I wrote it down. Voice for the first time and I cannot believe that I didn't see that as foreshadowing to her losing until she got called into elimination. That's and then I said, oh no, that's that's that she was at the top of that was owed because I'm like, well, how did she leave I know what your voice sounds like now but to Gone Too Soon. Yeah, but what do you guys make of this na need bear flirtation in general? I mean to good-looking kids and bear likes. - of course I do. I'm just saying I mean easy married to Georgia they like they are hanging out like for two weeks so far. It's just I'm just saying I like Georgia a lot. I think he's you are heartless. Damn, right? I like her a lot too. And I feel like and I'm not I don't know. I feel like they're friends outside of the game that they know each other and have been from the origin Bear. Yeah. Okay because it seems like she's more loyal to him when Georgia found out during the tribunal conference that That bear had said he was more attracted to Nani. Georgia said it kind of that sounds like something he would say and it hurts that I got that news in front of a bunch of people but he's still my friend and I'm still gonna keep him safe. So it seemed as though she's ride-or-die loyal Beyond just that they're hooking. She's a here's my thing. What's Bear supposed to say to naughty to try to get with her? Hey, I like you a little less than I like, Georgia. He has to say you like some more like what are we doing here? He's with all that. With Georgia First Act was to get with someone else. He has to tell them he likes them more than his original girl. That's just how held an that's my point. I'm nuts. Also, I think it's not falling for it at all. She's like, hee-hee. Sure bear whatever like she's not Nani really as turbo says she is Mom. She's like no time for these little boys in this game. Yeah. Oh and bar we have to say said I want kisses from Nanny. Yeah. I want I want to cuddle with Georgia and kisses from Nanny that Language barrier. Yeah, we're just accent barriers really making that moment. Let's get into the challenge of the day dune buggy before we do who has the message for tonight. You guys here about AfterBuzz TV Pam. Well you guys before we move on to our next topic. We just wanted to say thank you for making us the ESPN of TV talk for us to continue to grow we can use your help. If you are on YouTube right now hit the thumbs-up button and subscribe. Scribe, if you're on iTunes, please give a 5 stars. But no matter where you are. Leave us a comment so you can get involved in the conversations and also shout-out to the live chat right now. We love hearing from you being a part of AfterBuzz means a lot to all of us here and we want to continue doing what we love, so don't forget to tell your friends and subscribe to our favorite shows and keep watching. Thank you. All right daily challenge. It was pretty incredible. I was pretty awesome everything about this David. And what did you think strategy but physicality was? Yes Macho Man personal trainer. That was badass. Honestly, I got was telling down say I literally I train like that literally you get plates and then you get the throat better up you put it through tight. And then you literally sit on your butt and you pull it and then I get it and I run across and pulled the other side. I literally do that similar type of thing with that. Oh, I know this is the challenge later on. This is the tire jump my bad. Sorry. It's These tire swing set up without its monster trucks and anybody trains like that. Yeah, but no that was intense. I mean, you know, like how said how the hell do you prepare for that? What's the strategy for that? You know what I mean like yeah, hang on Cara Maria and Pauly should open a gym. I mean, I know they want to open a gym now, they got two adults like what they want to do, but it should be challenged him where it's not it's a day where you come Duke you're working out, but you're Doing challenges. That's what they should do. Doctor lawyer. Jim's. Yeah exactly, but even more fun because like monster trucks and stuff Pam that's such a great idea that I wish that you didn't just say here because there's someone's going to take that was your idea but that's incredible. They are and I loved this challenge. This was my favorite to watch it was so cool and it started it was it was it was edgy. He literally like watching speed to see who would win and the people got better and better. So I didn't know if there was a strategy and people that I thought would do. Well like ninja Natalie didn't do well, which is surprising turbo Ashley didn't do as well as we thought it was I thought this was my favorite challenge so far of the season to watch I love this one too, because this was one of those things that you can't really train for like Kyle said, so you have these people like ninja Natalie who came too close to being prepared for this and she To make it to one tire and you have Pilots are not real and people who are physical like physical advocates for health and fitness and rational Traders and this is something that as many times at the gym. You can't really prepare for this jumping from moving tired weaving tire was awesome. Yeah and scary and the dust factor. And again Kyle I don't I'm not a fan but you got to give credit where credit's due showed up tonight it is Because it's like are playing fly under the radar. You're good at this stuff. How do you do that? Well, unless you're pretty strong. I'll say this MTV in the producers must have paid a lot of money to use that monster truck because they brought it back going. Oh, we should probably use this again. We use it as like a stunt thing before we're actually put it to work this time tires. This season is brought To Us by and I think the hardest part of the challenge honestly was the fact that you can't see because the does I honestly think that just going from tire tire it said they were going 30 kilometers. That's I did the math in my head called the Internet. It's only it's 18 miles per hour is that that's as fast that's that's fast enough. Honestly think if the dust wasn't a factor, I think I think it was a lot easier than you think but that didn't make sense so hard that's another yeah, you can't see that's an obstacle to it. And I think David come on you and I we could bring up those tires. Well, I'd love to give it a try. I think I'd be a challenge calls for so much Focus like turbo said somebody who we thought was going to be so good. He slipped up for one second. You can't see got distracted for one second. Exactly. So you have to use dryer all of your senses all of you ceiling and your body to be able to jump from tighter tire and you slip for one second and you're done. Yeah amazed with Wes good job. Let me finish it Hunter redeemed him Hunter last episode and to me this episode or this challenge seems like it would have endurance evolved as well because you have so much dust flying in your lungs. Yeah, and you're holding your body. Wait, you're holding up. The tires are trying to move quickly. So last week is whole defense was he has no endurance but this week you showed up I guess yeah deep himself. I don't know this challenge lasted a minute. The last week's episode child probably lasted 20 minutes. Yeah, so there's a big difference in endurance put in 1 minute and 20 minutes. So I think hundred this is made for Hunter because it just upper body strength each time. He's got any he's not doing it for an hour. He's doing it for a minute two minutes, maybe. Okay. That's all I'm saying for that and then Wes killed it and West is having a great season West Kyle and Hunter now, they're all having great. Polly Polly Polly is really killing ship right now. He looks like the damn ninja he was a ninja jumping from tighter Tire. Yeah at a spring in his step and his way out of it was and I hate it, but he is just that cocky athlete but he puts his money where his mouth is. I hate that he got up there and he took that selfie video and he was pounding his chest on the next phase of The Challenge on the next bad boy. They're not ready. He just he takes himself so seriously, and I know he's very Very good at this. He's very athletic and competes. He puts his money where his mouth is, but that just arcs me everytime like, oh, you're so cocky and annoying I agree and now call him a vet after two seasons or something. But now there's not a lot of the big guys the real vets to like put him in his place either. So he is a vet to these rookies and it's like he's going to make a lot of noise and no one's gonna stop him right now, you know the high-five to West to being one of like the final vets. Is still holding it down, you know, I mean because as we've seen all the veteran going away early, it's crazy. You know, it's weird. So yeah, I 5 West talk about naughty to crushing it. She's been performing. Yeah. Well, I think she always has in all of her Seasons that she's competed and she just one of those people again that's not really like a physical trainer or a CrossFit person like an Emily or a cars doesn't really advocate for Fitness as much as the other competitors, but she always brings it and she always performs really. Well. Yep, and she's got kind of like it's a smaller frame so she always a oppresses me. She's really good. Yeah. She look at unsuspectingly Great competitor. Hmm anything else Leroy kind of disappointed me. He only got three. Yeah, she leaves and I looked at each other. Amanda getting zero. That's okay right now Josh is an awful get better horrible shouldn't even be here. You really shouldn't even be here. He's terrible you go. No matter the tribunal. Why? Yes. Well, what's your problem guys? Why you put me in here? Dude? You're just a throwaway blow your awful. Like I don't care if you're mad at us because you're never gonna get us. I was you're not good enough to do it because they you see him fail miserably at the challenge and then he has an inner tube. Well, I'm waiting here. This is ridiculous. I'm over it. It's like dude, you can't eat because you're not supposed to be here than to your Herbal way you can treat us. So why not throw you in and get you mad at us? That's all it is. My favorite was he dropped the light? I'm so over Pro and our thing. The entire time Josh is on screen always yell. The screen is you shouldn't even better you two yelling out loud at the same time. It's just like, yep. Yeah expect it, but it still is great to see and it's something I want to watch 10 out of 10 times every week for you guys to follow the tire for ya and never gets any less funny D and You surprised me too that they kind of flaked on this challenge, but it's hard people don't know what they're getting into with this. What did he get it down second. He's tired count. I believe she got to okay, Maddie got one. Okay. Oh man. That was Kyle. Kyle got them into that. Wow. Yeah the girls the champ. I believe she had the most for what a car get karma doesn't have a conspiracy corner on Kyle to That hey conspiracy. Kyle's actually really excited. Yes. Kyle just pretends to be a dipshit. He had a great season here take it away because he was the first guy we saw make it all the way and I was like hi. All yeah, it's like Caiman bear. We've said this cock I'll actually can't compete we've seen a compete in Prior Seasons, but he's just such a clown that you don't associate him with being a serious riots like a friend. I had in high school who would run a five-minute mile after smoking a cigarette just write something people have so much energy that you don't realize that they're competing really well like bear tonight in the elimination. He's like flan is arms around. He's jumping up and down and it's like how is this guy doing so well because he has that much excess energy like he's like zoned into just the The task at hand, although him. Well let not to jump ahead. But him in leaver were kind of neck and neck. Yeah, I do think that came down to Kimberly girls. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, so we got our tribunal, it's West Indian first Hunter and Georgia and then it comes down to either Kyle and Mady and Cara and Theo but the Cliffhanger shows us that Kyla Maddie they win by 19 seconds. Okay, the three teams that won are the three teams that I want to see in the final this year crazy. Those are my three teams and they all won tonight. Laughter, so we got into the tribunal and the voting Kyle Shocker the center you want to go Polly and Natalie Wesson, dear leaning towards bear because Wes wants to break up the UK lions and bears the easiest Target. Why not go for the loudest mouth and the house Georgia will not go for bear and Hunter doesn't want to go for Polly and Natalie. He wants to go for Josh and Amanda and he's really fighting hard about not going for Polly and Natalie. Meanwhile, Georgia and Kyle are saying you should go Polly and Natalie. What were your thoughts on Hunter? My thought was that Kyle and Pauly are like best buds in that place. They were actually laughing about it. Right? I don't really think they're mad at each other. I think they just having a good time. I think they like that they get to be Rivals because it gives them both something to get Motors. It's a motivated more screen time because the fighting you know, I did I think I think it's more it comes down to that old, you know back in school and you have like two guys that butt heads and then they end up fighting beat each other up and then become friends after I'm still seems like is that by better? That I really do before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. 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And there you go, right we don't need you anymore for that. I think so so much. I'm so glad we agree disagree. I love that. They don't really like Cara neither of them. All right, let's go to this wesen bear confrontation in the tribunal. My favorite thing is west or sorry. They're just freaking out gimmicky as anything. He's cannot handle his emotions and Wes just standing there completely facing him by not giving him any emotions or any any time of day. Yeah, and I always loved and the tribunal because she's the only rookie that we've seen interact and have a lot of not the only gym but ninja okay. No, but I'm saying it was getting in it with bear tonight wasn't she like she was tonight? I like I think she was only rookie and it's revealed that she is a rookie that brings personality to the tribunal when she's in it and doesn't take smack. I'll say this D was on a pedestal tonight and she look gorgeous. So cute. Great eyes. Great features it overall. You guys are on the road again this episode. We haven't seen that for a while. They get to go out to the club. Oh, yeah, finally. Yes. He got to go out. Um Hunter an Ami what ye I like that. I don't see anything. Yeah, I again, I mean, I love Nani and she's say like, I agree that Hunter seems to be a very sincere and good person. I might not always agree with his stances, but he seems to be Sincere and genuine and nice in his heart if again, I might not always I go back and forth with him. I think he's a guy. True to himself guy and I think that that is an attractive quality. Tuna, honey, and I like it. I'm here for it. I didn't know that I would want them to be together and any world and I was like, yes, I need to see this happen. So I like it. Yeah, I was shocked at first and I like did a double take to no one in the room as like, how is this not Ian Hunter what and then I remember I was she was with Cohutta for a hot minute. She likes boys. How are you today? Are they now? So that romance is going to be Brewing boys. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's my favorite part. No just kidding. Random is random. I mean kudos to you hunted right on man. Do you think I like Hunter Hunter is a good guy from what it seems. So yeah, let's see what happens. This is just another girl like nany saying how nice Hunter is which makes me more team Hunter when I think back about Hunter versus Ashley and all that BS that went down is that he's a nice guy in the fact that he doesn't get along with Ashley. I'm pretty sure Ashley is very evil, then that's all I'm saying. Thanks. All right. So then we see Kim and Theo it's going down. So this is getting into the meat of this Cam and Theo Saga or sorry and Leroy. So Leroy goes over to camp and says I'm in love with you. He says I'm still very much in love with you. I want to go back to how it was in the beginning but two cams credit as much as I love Leroy and I think I'm more tame Leroy in this situation because I do think cameras kind of like playing a little bit for the game. She you know, she has a very valid point that he Had already said to her I don't want to be in a relationship. So she's not really wrong for moving on and hooking up with Theo. I just I'm not sure that it's genuine know every everything is valid. You know, I completely get were cams coming from and it's completely okay what she's doing but at the same time I like I agree with you. I feel like it's a little bit to get at Leroy, you know, it's not fully genuine and that's kind of my my grandpa the whole thing and I did feel bad for Leroy. He did look like a lost little puppy the until you're just hurting watching the whole thing and then to like have them make out in front of him. It's like You know I dagger in the heart. So you think that cam shouldn't have took taken it to that step and made out and frog I think if she truly cares about him and it wasn't to hurt him in any way I think out of respect. She shouldn't have done that in front of him. You know, I mean again like she's single she's free to do if she wants I totally get that you're right, but if you care about Leroy as much as you say and there's that respect there, I think she shouldn't have done that. That's true respect your past relationship and feelings. What do you think about the way liro reacted in the fact that he went over to cam not only the club and he brought it back to the house and he he escalated this more at the house. It's kind of like man. Just you know, like you gotta let it go man. You know, thanks. I mean at least in this situation you don't mean right now. I mean if you know, maybe when you guys get back home hash it out figure it out. Do your thing on your own time? No cameras. No BS, you know, I mean the real stuff just obviously they're drinking there's already the scenes going on. It's just I don't think it's the right time. Just kind of let you know leave it alone right now Pam it sound like you have I liked Nani's hot take that cam was doing this for moving ahead in the game. I Think of that beforehand and I don't know if it's true or not. It's really hard to speak to camera without knowing what went down if they were together and everything's fine. And he hooked up with someone else and said he wanted to be a no but I like we don't know the circumstances for which under which he said, I don't want to be in a relationship meaning that he wasn't into it or they just were I don't know what it is. What do you think about him kind of going up to the table and then bring it back to the house? I think at the club was fair. And reasonable and it got I don't know what the conversation was. He said I loved you. She said I want to be friends and cordial so I don't know if what that's a response to if someone told me they loved me. I want to be friends and cordial seems like a strange respond. So I don't know it seems disjointed especially knowing what we know from Leroy. I thought him talking about it again. He's clearly hurt. I don't think it was inappropriate escalation, but I think when cam gets back into a Corner she pakal's up because she he seemed calm and she was like, I don't want to touch you. It's like okay. Wait, what? Why don't you won't get what I want to touch him. So I don't know if the whole thing just is kind of a mystery to me. I think she's well within her rights to do whatever she wants. But yeah, it's obviously going to hurt someone's feelings and I can't help but think that she's very aware of that and very it was to say his piece, you know, he needs to tell her how he feels and get it off his chest. So he's doesn't really act like that a lot. He's very level-headed and you could tell that he didn't want to take it to a certain level with her. But when you're talking and emotions get involved, sometimes it just gets brought that level of you do it just is like that organically but I think he really just needs to get off his chest. Yeah, let her know how he felt so I don't think he's wrong for saying it but if it if you were to stay and not leave after elimination, which is not get to and we're to continue happening for weeks then then it would probably be a problem but it's just one night and had to get it off his chest. I don't think he's on the wrong for approaching I give him credit to her. Even putting himself out there like that because that's hard to do especially with camera special for everybody. So she has many, you know what I mean to do that and then to get shot down rejected and then to try again I give him credit for that, you know, because that that takes a lot of Courage, you know, I mean, she's just she's just not into him guys. She's been over. Yeah, that's it. It's nothing more than that. You just don't agree with that. I agree with your cake when he left her face was like, yeah, right exactly. Not as enjoyable when he's not there to get the job. She's like do you like someone The cheese I'm so bad that a former boyfriend / friend. Now lost what that's it sedate him or not. She wants him around seeing her name is Kelly the Cara and Kyle thing, you know, I mean in a sense like they hate each other, but they still want each other round. Yeah. All right. Well, it's elimination tag. Okay, so we go through the voting and I had wish so badly that Georgia had turned and voted Baron. I thought she's gonna do what I like. Oh, it's on the tip of her tongue, but she didn't but her partner did. So they end up getting the most votes even though Hunter Georgia put up Josh and Amanda as kind of like a red herring has a burned vote. So Josh and Amanda skate through again and bare and Dave ongoing and I actually thought Dan said, oh they can pick anybody who they anybody they want to go against it. I actually thought the decision was kind of hard because everybody that their friends within the game and aligned within the game sucks because they can't pick an easy right because they're friends with the easy teams right friends with Josh and Amanda and Davon didn't want to say Leroy's name. Not that I think Leroy is bad but him and she leave is a partnership safe to say they're one of the weakest teams in the challenge or they pick a good team like Cara and Theo or Ashley and Camp. So for me, I thought it was time for them to pick a team to go against. I think they made the right. Oh, no. I wish I think Josh and Amanda Josh both of those people are friends with Dave on but I feel like I wish they'd pick them just because I don't like them have to pick somebody you gotta save your own ass. So you Josh and Amanda where the Troy Josh would have gassed out after to pulverize. I mean, you could've been done. Yeah, I mean, I wish that we saw them their home instead of Leroy and it was nice to meet Shailene tonight. We learned her name tonight. I think this is the type of elimination of does really show Muscle your physical endurance your muscle fatigue. Would you guys think your desire to win? This was a great elimination and hard to watch because it was neck and neck for for all of bears blustering. It's not like he's smoked Leroy or anything and even the girls were to give shaylene. We only knew you for but a moment. They were like two bags behind but it was a tough elimination. It came down to those. Do they show that Leroy did lose to bear though in the integrity and like didn't bear finish right before him lay people think it doesn't count as a loss because there are teams. I understand. I'm just saying if it was just the boys boys. But that being said it's not just bear and Leroy one-on-one. It's the time it takes Leroy to get his smash true because she leaned is anchoring him. It's very true take Shaylee longer than Dave on there for Leroy is always behind bear because it's Davon is going Friday at the very end. Like that's when you find out who's going to really win is like the starts one thing but when it comes down to those last few bags, it's like that's when you see who has hardened who's going to pull it out and you can tell shaylene was gassing out. She was kind of given up a little bit. You know, I mean, I don't know if it's right to say giving up but you can tell she was worn out. Yes, they said and there's 40 bags. So I put together a montage be a calculator. So let's say that the let's say it was just under 3 K so maybe like 2,800 pounds that is 70 70 pounds per bag priority of them. Whoa. Yeah, you're not you're not pulling on Wheels. You're pulling it through sand. And yeah, that's going to be hard. This is this my favorite elimination of the whole season. They might be even if you put all the challenges next to all the eliminations. I'm picking this as my favorite overall. It's the Pure Heart pure endurance pure test your strength test what you have inside. These are the ones I like. Yeah. Absolutely. I agree feed and I think it's awesome. And as I was saying way earlier, yeah, we were we going to do this. Yeah. No joke, I get plates and then I get the battle ropes. I'd put the Rope through it one in and I'm on the other and I literally sit down just like that and I like pull it across get it run across bullet that I mean, I literally trained that way so this watching it like I know how that will maybe not sandbag specifically, but yeah, that's a lot. It wears you out, you know, then to do that many times that many bags just like that is a lot of upper body strength a lot of endurance like you're going to feel it. So what it comes down to the end and it's Leroy and Shailene fighting for their lives against just Avon. Well, actually It's just shaylene fighting against Dave on do you then try to give to the lien only one bag at a time? He was she was thinking less bags or do you give her too? Because she asked to make up so much ground, but she'll do it slower that's arms kind of like that's what my strategy comes in where you don't know what to do one bag to make it quicker but doesn't matter if it's quicker if she's going to be so many bags behind it looked like she was consistently taking less bags than okay Davon at least that they showed for in the cuts that they showed. Yeah, I do it that. All right Dave on and bear the live to need to see another day Bears a crazy fool. He's running around that pain. He's making his Mark. He sell everybody's coming for them West calls him out. It's incredible. Love Wes Wes. I love it. See hopefully West hopefully this is gonna be like the pairing at the end like the the elimination the final whatever day I got to see a wesen bear 101. So this is where I think bear becomes back to your earlier. Questions. I had to formulate this becomes unlikable and kind of stupid is he was blustering and calling Wes a liar when it he indeed was the liar and you know admitted like oh when in doubt Y which is funny Ha-Ha. Yeah, but then he came out and said like you're being you saying that as mean to Georgia and it's a provable thing like they just need to ask nany and she can very much say yeah. He did say that to me. It's not just west. Lying there was someone else involved and I'm excited to see that because I do want them to take bear down and I feel like him not only lying to her but then further manipulating her makes him not cool. All right, so we got some news and gossip. Yeah. Okay that's quick few ones first. There were Union is going to be in London this year pretty cool. That is really cool. I mean, there's so many UK people that make sense. Maybe just easier to go there. Sorry from the bottom now, we're here. Yeah, and I feel like an MTV at I don't know they Logistics to this but somehow you can you can win a ticket to go. So if you want to go drink it out, I know how but we're using London. That's pretty rad. Also, there were some romances that would didn't see on this season, which I saw some there's got to be a rat in production or somewhere because there's pictures and videos of this if you go on like a challenge to Instagram, there's a picture. Yeah, no challenge t91 or challenge. 2018 something of that nature where you see Zahida and Ashley hugging each other and pool showed it on the original previews. I told you they did they showed in the original previews for the entire season, but then they just never showed it in the season. Okay, because that's how you knew he wasn't going home. That's correct. Got it. And then there was a whole thing with Zahida. No. Sorry. I just said that Hunter and Julia Hunter and Julius another there was a that's and that's also on challenge MTV the Instagram there. Can watch their little thing the challenge that the Instagram shows like never before scenes from past episodes. So you can kind of just find out other stuff that happens. Okay, so it's very I why have I follow him? It's easy these pops right up all time. Those are some romance as we did in C and then a little bit more to some heavier stuff on the tape incident where bananas Kyle and Theo duct tapes Amanda's face and she had to pull it out. She lost some hair a lot more escalated in that in the last two weeks. So apparently empty is trying to keep this under wraps and they don't want any of the cast members to talk about it Ashley tweeted about this Shane tweeted about this. There was an article on the Ashley that said fans are petitioning for this footage to be released because it's an assault and Amanda should be able to have this release so that everybody can see you know, what happened to her. And so Shane tweeted out saying I've gone on private from his Twitter so that all challenge fans know that certain entities at a certain television Studio. Sending threatening letters to cast telling them they will be sued if they discuss Amanda's assault and covered up to man the footage only you can demand the footage. So apparently MCD is sending letters to cast members asking them about to say it and legally threatening them. So Amanda also tweeted out I appreciate all the support and I know I haven't really spoken anything but I don't want this blown up into something. It's not I know their intentions were never to hurt me. I just went too far happens to be the it happens to the best of us. They've apologized I moved on that was earlier, but then after I guess LT was sending letters around she sent out another tweet saying PSA. I'm disgusted with MTV and the way I've been treated about all of this, especially when I've been so common understanding they want to silence me with legal threats, but go on the media and li la laughter their Union my career with MDB is over. I don't neither shit. I promise you so MTV stop calling me for the next season because the answer is no give my spot to some desperate kiss or sorry get my spot to some desperate ass-kisser instead. Yeah. I'm In conspiracy Corner, they need to protect bananas. I mean bananas was behind it. They it's that's their big money maker. Maybe if it comes out they're going to be they can't use bananas anymore. And he's on every goddamn season. Go ahead if she's gonna go on and say, That he's received a letter I would like I'm not. I would like to see this letter because this is happened with things on Bachelor things before and they're like look what I've got like, they're really threatening you not to talk about it. Shane wasn't there either Amanda was that was really cool her initial thing. She seemed to get it if it was a horrible as I don't know. That's the thing. I don't know what breaches and preaches feminism pro-woman all this up show us the damn tape then so that we can stop talking about it for ourselves afraid to show us that With his garbage and but I don't know Shane I think is a crazy drama queen. I'm sorry Stan wanted to command the photo. He's being threatened. It's like you weren't there Shane. What do you well, he's a nub TV personality. He's friends with my brother illegally threatened to keep his mouth. Shut is what he's saying, but I understand demand see the footage I get that. I'm all for it. But it's also the same thing where you don't need to see the footage to know that it happens. Like it still happened and I don't know what how you proceed after something like that happens as a TV network as a fan. Bass but it shouldn't just be seeing the footage that makes well, yes all or the incident. Unfortunately the instances, you know what I mean like this there's you know her side their side and the truth. We have it on camera. Let us, you know, we have we haven't heard it from her she from that it sounds to me. We know bananas. We know the kind of I don't I don't know because I haven't seen it. That's what the thing is the fact that she was saying look it started as good fun. I'm over it. I don't think Amanda so just like them. I think if she felt assaulted she would fight that's my the closest to the horse's mouth is Amanda. There is the information for now. We'll see if this continues to advance we are out of time so we gotta wrap up. Let's see you next time for episode 7. Thank you guys so much for joining us. 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Some have referred to her as the female version of me. I don't know if that's a compliment to her. But it's definitely a compliment to me. Let's do this helping you navigate the music industry. Here's Rick Barker with the music industry blueprint podcast. So this episode of the podcast I'm super excited someHave told me that there is a female version of be out there in the world and I did not quite understand what they meant. But what they said was is there's a person who also has experience in the business that's doing everything they can to help others and they said Rick you need to meet Judy stay key and I said, oh I know who Judy is I said because I tracked her down a couple years ago for an artist that I was working with and what I told Judy before as I thought it would be a lot harder to get to her, but it wasn't Because you are such a wonderful giving person. So Judy introduce yourself to the music industry blueprint audience. And then let's just see where this conversation goes. You got it. Hi, everybody. I always say that I came out of the womb singing and dancing and it's interesting because a lot of my clients would say the same thing back to me, but music has been my whole entire life. I mean, I just I never wanted to do anything that wasn't music-related. I thought I thought I would be a performer. I went to USC and studied piano and I studied voice and I acted a little when I got out of school. There really was no internet and my parents didn't quite know how to guide me in that way. And so I entered the business and I was in the traditional music business for over 30 years as a music publisher. And even though I was tempted sometimes to go into A&R and other other areas. I stayed in publishing because It was the area that developed and managed the songwriters and no matter where you were in your career. You always had to go back to the beginning and write a new song. It was like starting a new book every single time. And I love that process. I love coming back to the beginning. What are we going to say this time? So I did that for over 30 years and I had a lot of success. I signed rank for Patrick and John Shanks away from Kevin kadish while Freeman and Tim James and all these he's really big pop pop producers pop Riders and then I started developing artists and out very fortunate in that. I met develop shoko show Branch Katy Perry. Julie Williams worked with little big town at work with Gavin DeGraw just the the list goes on and on and on. So in 2009-10 years ago, I left warner/chappell music. Isaac my last place of employment for 20 years and started my own thing. And the reason being is that I feel like the development is really is one of the most important parts for it is the most important part of the purest product. How do you set your foundation? And that's what I was doing for all my writers Without Really Ever putting it into any written form. I just did it but when you know, I left one or chapel and can say well I work forward or travel. That's all you need to know it so well. Judy's taking this is what I do. So I owed my methodology down. I wrote a book. I put on a TED talk to years ago I have Individual clients I put on treats songwriting takes all with the all with the the bait that my my my theme of my methodology based on my methodology that it all starts with the song. So no matter what you want to do. If you want to go have hire a producer if you want to go tour if you none of that stuff can happen unless you got the songs, right? And so I took it a step further and that everything starts with a song. What does that mean? And my methodology is really simple, it's based on two questions. First question is what is a song song as the integration of your voice the lyrics and the melody, we integrate your emotions. That's the melody their stories. That's the lyric in your voice. You have to have some voice. Otherwise, it doesn't get off the pavement in order for those three things to be as good as they can be so you can integrate them together. You're going to have to take care of yourself body mind and soul for the rest of your life. And that's where I think that that I really found this extra thing with you because there's a lot of people that will teach voice and there's a lot of people that will teach performance and there's a lot of people that will teach movement and you started going with into which I think super important and I think too as you were talking earlier, it's like the Publishers are the A&R people today and you were kind of ahead of your time because 10 years ago when you said you were going out to help people that's what Civics that's what's expected of. All of them now the traditional a and our days are done because we went from a business of splitting dollars to splitting percentages of pennies. So now they're looking for you to come developed a they need you to understand who you are as an individual. What is your brand? What is your message? Is it proven in the marketplace? Because now the doors are down and there are no barriers to the consumer. There are no barriers to your fans. So they're like you go test it out. And then come back to us once you've got a buzz or once you have something going on and the right there. That leaves it over when you don't have any barriers or anything in my mom can submit songster Grey's Anatomy. The quality is that's what it comes down to. Yep. That's what's going to stick out. Yeah, and that's why I believe what I am doing and you're doing a with some other people. There are so important. Is that as I tell all my clients is that if you've got a song for Faith Hill, I'll give you the number myself all sent it myself. Okay, if you've got a song then absolutely Call you can call anybody you want don't don't start calling me. Make sure you have the product person you've developed yourself and most of these kids think well. I'm going to get something on you know, so-and-so like put her stuff on YouTube and she was a star of the next day. You know, what I also think to Judy is that people need to spend more time getting people like yourself people like Susan Koch people like Shelly paikin, you know that you can you can pay for their time to listen to your songs because there is a lot of Realistic artists that feel that they have the next song for Faith Hill, but what they don't understand is that they are also competing with everyone at every major label in Nashville and New York and Los Angeles for that same right to cut that one song that Faith Hill might cut. So what what I'm encouraging people to do is to say look become a student of the game become a master of your craft go continue to learn and flourish. - be patient don't be in a hurry. We're not curing cancer will be okay. If you don't show up tomorrow, you know, if you want to do this for a living and you want to build a career, it's like you can't all of a sudden one day decide that you want to be a brain surgeon and start operating tomorrow, but for whatever reason songwriters think they write one song and they're ready to get it to the biggest artist on the planet or someone, you know wins a contest in their Hometown and they're ready for a record deal. And that's what I love like with you and your book the songwriter survival. You know, you just go in and you're teaching them you're educating them. I always tell people I say look you guys go create it. I'll help you get rid of it, but the songs can't suck because right now there's it's so noisy out there. There's no shortage. Like you mentioned your mom can pitch a song to Grey's Anatomy. What's going to cut through is a Kick-Butt Melody. It's either going to be a vocal tone. It's going to be a production piece. It's going to be something but just make sure your breaking through the noise for the right reasons because a lot of you are breaking through the noise for the wrong reasons and you're going viral for the wrong reasons. So let's make sure if you want to have a career you do this thing, right? And you know, it's really interesting. Is that what I find is that I mean 99% of all the kids that are come all kids but everything that's come to my Retreats my clients and support most of them when you give them some information and some knowledge some, you know, something that they can learn. They say it it just they're so happy. They're so happy that somebody has given them something that is actually looks like oh wait a minute now that I know that I can put that with this that I know and look where it gets. It gets me some place further and that's what that's what fuels me is that they're all like they're just thirsty for the knowledge. It's the AHA moments. It's like in the difference between a great artist and a superstar is usually work ethic and they were Prepared to take advantage of a Pacific opportunity that came to their mind and that's the thing right now is that the people that are attracted to me? I think are also the same type that are attracted to you because we do charge for our services and I'll tell you why I do because those who pay pay attention and I give plenty of free opportunities for those people that want to pick my brain. They can pick it through the podcast. I give a free copy of my book if they want it, but if we're going to sit down and work specifically on your stuff, that's education. Oh and my 30 years Judy's 30 years, you know, we didn't get that for free and the key thing is that we don't mind having conversations with people but we have a problem or I'll speak for me. What I have a problem with is when you come to me for advice and you spend most your time with the yeah buts because the yeah buts are are an incurable disease. If every time I say something to you and your response is yeah, but you're the wrong person because we can't that disease has to go. I hope they find a cure for the yeah, but I have not found it. But when we get people inside of our world that we're able to have real conversations with because one of the things that attracted me to you is there's a lot of people out there that have opinions. There's a lot of people out there that are great marketers. There's a lot of people out there that will tell you everything, you know need to know about the music industry, but there are very few people that can show you what to do because they've done it and you are a practitioner. You're not a book reporter. You are a field reporter everything you've learned you've done. So when I'm able to introduce you to my folks, I get super excited about that one because you know, it's like when you saw something early and some of the artists that you mentioned what's interesting about them is some people missed on them, but you didn't. True and I know that that can be said by all for a lot of artists that I do the thing that I how I I've always practiced and how is done my job is that not only did I identify the talent that I really spent time with them? I did just sign them and let them go being with Cheryl we spent practically every day together, you know with all my writers. I mean every Kevin kadish John Screen it was an everyday thing it was what are you working on? What how did that better go tell me about this time. It was you know, when you're developing something. I've had somebody I felt like I was mom, you know, and it's like when they're that in this incubator and they're trying, you know, they're trying out things in their building their career. It's like I I'm the kind of person who's just like I wanted to be there for all you know to make sure that everything was in place till like two weeks down the road all of a sudden. It's like oh by the way, I'm not crazy about that. So but why don't you try so I was a very Hands-On person. You also seem to have this Knack because for some of the younger folks listening you might not understand who John Shanks is or Kevin kaduk. I mean, they're also great producers, you know, Kevin with his development of Meghan Trainor. You know John's legendary with what he's done. I think that's where Callie kept getting the you know, it's like Judy steaky has like four degrees of separation. Kevin Bacon has six you have like four and everything. She kept looking at connecting back to you. One other thing that I always share with people to is, you know, one of the things when Taylor and I first came out they said wow, here's the sixteen-year-old to just showed up with these songs from 12 to 14. All she did was right. She did not do contests. Didn't go out and try to sing karaoke. She wasn't doing pageants national anthems. All she did was right. She developed her craft and that's what I tell folks. It's like when a young person comes to me. I said look unless you're wanting to go to Disney or Nickelodeon where you met age Out start taking this time to learn start taking this time to practice start taking this time to develop yourself. And that's why I started doing what I dicks like felt guilty. All these dads would show up with their daughters and cowboy boots. In sundresses thinking that was the magic formula and I'm like no no. No, we gotta go. Yeah. Yeah. I'm doing my first ever young adult Workshop in a I saw that on your website. I love that and I've got a 12 year old who is absolutely amazing just starting out but she's a Natural Instincts natural talent and it's so lovely and her parents are so supportive of her because they're like, we're not musical. We're not quite sure what to do. They found me. And they're like great. Let's just put her in these classes and you know, I wrote a Blog about that this week as far as like making the commitment to learn yes to take at our take voice and take creative writing and all the things all the components that make up a song. It's not just oh I you know, I sing a little tune and I play the guitar. It's you know, it's storytelling. It's performing. It's the body. It's how are you going to how are you going to look? How are you going to feel? I mean, there's so many things. Things about it so that there's so many different classes and workshops that you can take that build on each other especially as a 12 year old. Well, absolutely and it's interesting because I met one when we were in Costa Rica, her name is Janna Bay and she is the same way and what I told her was is for the younger kids to and we just had this I mean, what's that think she's coming. Is this the 12 year old Jeanette. Janab a yeah. Yeah. She's coming to yeah, that's amazing. What's that? Oh, that's funny. Yeah, so I met I met her she was at the same event that D and I were at and her dad over the weekend Ray who's fantastic. He's a doctor and so it's funny because when people purchase anything, so I was running a free plus shipping on my book and I had the strategy I wanted to try I was just going to use Instagram and I said and everybody who orders I'll call and say thank you and they were like, but wait if we're paying like 471, why would you call I said because I just I want to say thank you. So over the weekend, my son and I were leaving from hitting some golf balls and I get this order in this person. Did the book did the upsell and then did the private one year group coaching. So I called up and it was Ray and I said Ray I just wanted to say thank you. He goes Rick. I have no idea. I just clicked all the way through and Jana Bay was so happy and she gets on the phone and I was just like there's this parent that understands while she's into it because she may not be into it after a while one of the things that I shared with her. Was she has this amazing range? And I told her as I said don't do it in every song or it's going to become predictable. It's like Carrie Underwood's first record. We got it. You can hit that note stop screaming at me. You know, I said you need to become a great Storyteller I said, but what's also important for young people is they want to be able to sing along with you and your songs. So if you're constantly going places that they can't go They're not going to be able to relate to you sometimes bring it down and then save that. Home run, you know whack when you get a chance, but you don't have to do it every song and I also tell people to as it's like a lot of times today is a lot of complaining going on and I said look I said if you just are focusing solely on the creation, you're going to be in the inventory business. Let me help you go find an audience. I don't care. If you have the great hamburgers really the greatest hamburger in the world. If you open it up in a town a vegetarian just screwed yourself. So you may think your stuff is fantastic, but there is an audience for it. So let's let's make Sure, the songs are right because it's people are very unforgiving if you're going after industry. It's like people are looking for reasons to say no because it's so crowded. So let's not give them any you can't be judged by what's not out there only by what is out there. Let's send people to where they can find out about you. These Retreats are legendary so they can get all of that from your website. Everything's come on the website. Good Judy steak e.com. I'll make sure that there are links. Yeah. Oh, yeah, no their links to everything dear dear takes care of all of that. Yeah. We're I'll make sure that we can get it from the show notes to also if you haven't picked this up and it'll make a great gift go get the songwriters Survival Guide. There's there's more to your books aren't just about song writing. Your books are also about life. So I think they can apply to a lot of people, you know in a lot. It's funny my social media programs. I have realtors that are in Because they just they understand their houses or their songs. So if I'm teaching people how to get rid of a record their teaching people how to get rid of songs. Everything's about storytelling and life and that's what your books really close one of my passions in my mission this year is I'm not two years ago. I gave a TED Talk in Paris and about the importance of putting songwriting into our schools tells us as a oh, wow, when you learn how to tell a story in you know 200. Words or less? It's really an amazing tool because you really have to learn how to Once Upon a Time. Let me tell you what happened. You don't have three pages to tell you about the brown sweater. All you could to say is I was wearing a brown sweater, right? So the start you really start looking at what your perspective is instead of a very general attitude. So that is that as one of the things when you said, you know, your real estate people love you or you know other profession. Yep, really. Love you. Our methodology and because it speaks to him on a completely different level and that's why I believe the storytelling of songwriting is something that we should be we should be teaching at a younger age. So I think it is a skill that really will help in other areas of Their lives I agree. I agree completely. It's like I went and I got certified last year as a Facebook retargeting expert because I figure if everyone's hanging out online, I better know how to go get them. Especially if I want to grow my business and as we were talking about these one minute videos, I was sitting there and the attention span of the person is about six seconds seven seconds. So if all I'm doing when I show up is say, hey guys, I'm Rick Barker founder of the music industry blueprint former manager at Taylor Swift is Clanging I'm just I'm just rat that out. But if I start with a story, you know, April 4th 1989. I got down on my knees. I was addicted to crack cocaine. I couldn't quit and I asked God to let me die. What was interesting is six months later in 1989 a person was born that I Would One Day end up working with and together. We would go out and change the direction that music was going. My name is Rick Parker founder of the music industry blueprint former manager a superstar Taylor Swift and now I've got a whole different perspective than if I just come out talking about myself in the beginning. I was able to suck people in with this story and kind of bring them along and that's the same way song, right and that's that's why I've always loved the lyrics, you know, I my my final part of my radio career was spent and the Santa Ynez Valley and I had a radio station up there with Marv green and Marv and I started an event years ago called the Nashville nights and Did this songwriting night? I also helped start the Durango version up in the Santa Ynez Valley with Jim and those guys. What's that? I started it with Marv. So on the 10th anniversary, they gave me my little plaque. I haven't been back in a few years. But Marvin died, we started that in 2001 or to can't remember to know that's where he's from though, but you know, I know Yeah him and I are from the same Hometown his brother still lives up there. Marv would come back and every year, I mean one year we hit the jackpot because we had Tim Nichols. Would Live Like You Were Dying was on the chart. We had we had Jeff Stevens. That was there. He had the next Tim McGraw song Leslie satcher. One of my all-time favorite people in the world was there when we've had a whole bunch of great ones Jeff and Tim came to my one of my first Retreats that I did at Warner Chappell my story. Oh Yeah. Yeah, it's a great great and marvelous a warner/chappell rider for a long time. Yeah, that's it's just a small world will listen. I'd love to sneak in and take a peek at one of your Retreats here in Nashville. And if I can ever be of service to you, please let me know please. I would love I would absolutely love to and once again folks. I will make sure that you've got all your ways to connect with Judy and the show notes. If this is your first time checking out the podcast I highly recommend that you Head over to the website music industry blueprint.com while you're there. You can grab a free copy of my book The 150,000 dollar music degree. You can also take the artist assessment. It's really hard to know where you're going. If you don't know where you're starting so let's kind of figure out where you're at in and let me point you in the direction of some resources that can help you out. If you like this, please share it give a review and we'll talk to you on the next episode. Ciao. You've been listening to the music. Industry blueprint podcast with brick Barker. 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Have you heard about the easiest way to make a podcast? It's called anchor it's free. They're tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone and computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard from Spotify Apple podcast and many other platforms maker money right now from ra podcast quick and easy with no minimum listenership. It's easy. It's everything that you need to make it podcast. And one place download the free anchor app are go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. What's up, everyone? Welcome back to otaku Summit episode 27. I pause right there just to make sure first guy. I want to one of the coldest I want to bring in is a Eve go and say what's up. They lied to me. I was gonna say they tried to trick me and they trust themselves last episode. I don't know. JoJo in the background JoJo go ahead and interesting that will quick. Oh, hey, what's up? I don't matter but it's all right last episode just before you started the episode. He was like yo, what up, so we on a might actually was in the episode and let's look like that were like episode 26 or something to episode 27 And he was like nah, we're on a six. Anyways, we got it wrong last week, but I when I edit it I was here. I put a episode. Anyways, I apologize to you. I said that shit I and I put it in my hands right away before we start off the episode or know I had felt what going on I want to give a shout out to Doesn't he had his birthday here in 22, but this week I could be there but you know, he's probably listen to this podcast because he does listen to it. Um, yeah. Yeah shout out to um, yeah, you know what reminds me I've actually been wanting to do this. I just put through to me that if you all have a birthday y'all could send me a tweet or something. I don't care shouting you guys out or what? But you guys have to give me your Social Security number. Please make sure you know, otherwise you guys are making a you know, but who knows right? You shall now people want it's not their birth. Yeah, that's just that's just dumb before what I did this week. What'd you do this week Steve what you've been up to? My I've been watching a lot of shit bro. It's an avocado, but I caught up on what is a hero No Sora the basketball anime. It's quality stuff caught up on this day. Oh, I watched a little bit of the knuckle no guns life and I'm trying to catch up on Psychopaths to season 2. I gotta go. I gotta finish season 2 then watch season 3 can do. Head no watch the movies after season to last season 3 the movies have something to do with that actual part somewhat. Yeah. Oh my God, but yeah bread. That's what I've been doing. Dojo been going on my girl. I mean challenge um went to anime convention in Detroit call your mark on this weekend. So I will switch it again. I got some for a friend of mine here like Steins Gate, so I got on a cursive figurine. Was it a pretty lady over there? I would say most um, those quilts are the demo table, but but I think the engines usually the decent size and a decent crowd, so no school. Huh? And it's in the video game room because a Time Fox was there any just we fucking all the top everybody? Okay. Loudly can't sit. I can't ask you didn't see how then you're like Janna game room, but Sonic was they're like no no because I were there but you know, like, you know, he's really popular toe. So so it's a big crowd no, no, no, All big crowd, you know tend to sway in you know, it's kind of gets all you know, but he would be people's asses and Mortal Kombat just a little sad now a tragedy but it is going to be people like that there. Yeah, he got an ounce of yeah, and I was like like the week before like really late you like. Oh, yeah, so we have Hill coming through like what anyway how to fund you but this late hmm. Well that you had fun in one night. Um, I finally finished gonna super was getting anymore. Yeah. I noticed I was one episode behind then what I did but Or otherwise to yeah, I don't watch TV. I don't watch episode 9 and then I had to watch episode 10. Um, but other than that, I was actually pretty cool pretty cool little but there's one thing I am mad about that finished season 1 and I went to go check on season two, you know for the dub and they don't they don't got the dub for season 2 it was up with that. I don't know got watch it sometime. Hopefully they I mean they have the movie and doublet the new one. Yeah, the noon not just up. Okay Bola. Damn. I don't know. I mean I'm still recommended to people but I wanted to watch a dog just because um, it was really good voice acting in it. And um, and yeah I had It was cool little watch because it's a funny funny anime to watch so don't go into it like thinking as like crazy still. It's not really about that. Um, yeah damn glad I finished it. It only took me about a year and a half maybe. Yeah, really cool. Um besides that you don't want to jump in the anime news already. Yeah. Fuck it. All right. Now this list we're about to talk about the little bit confusing. It's the Japan rankings for the fall 2019. Anime Japan voted on. Oh, what's the top anime people are liking in the fall. But the ones that are not on here are my hero Academia season for and Psychopaths ease. Now I have to redo not guys know why is it cuz when they came out they I guess they came out later. I technically I guess so so it's like a pasta only like two episodes in so I get that my heroes like what two or three episodes into so I was like That sort of like a canoe you doing like First Impressions only the first three episodes or more. I guess you guys wanna I know want to go not top to down but I'm too but you got to start at five else and let's do 10 at 10. I don't know what which one this is It's a key. It's Is the advise Club game thing? Whatever Amino meaty rise up the round with 4,000? Okay. Um, so yeah, have you seen a job? I'm tripping out the I looked at number 15, my bad 18. Okay. Now this is the DL. So I I mean that's like fuck. This is the fucking what is it? JoJo goddamn music. I want to bother you fucking a bodybuilder dude goes into the new so like this is a wrestler basically and he gets transferred to a new role and he says fuck that. I'm not Shit ain't built like a door, whatever. True. Yes, I was on the team like parody music eyes. I don't watch episode 1 it's all right, it's legit. Yes. Hmm. Yeah. Okay, so and so on number nine is food Wars season 4 and not gonna lamp probably just a number. Actually, I'm just surprised that about this whole list. Um, yeah, the food was seasoned for EPS mean at number 9. Yes. I think I've never really watched food words by here really good things about it from like the fans that who have watched it. But Taylor heard anything about season 4. Maybe we'll talk about this in anybody talking about it. But I know it's like a super popular show. So I mean really hard and maybe because my role came out that's probably why people talking about it. But yeah, I thought that was I thought would be hard to I've seen this season yet. Oh JoJo. No, but I've read the Manga. So okay, let's surprise that like look at lots of road that no one is talking about is it's a little weird Kelly, you know, like Well, I season 3 your abilities can that doesn't mean it's not bad because it's that nine out of a hundred an amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely not bad. Although it's kind of weird not hearing much about anymore. Then again. It's in Fairly wouldn't know. Oh no, but they like what the heck so next up we have ascendance of a bookworm. I don't know what this one is. Either know you think I wear. Of course the girl that likes reading books or ever do you like obsessed with reading you get into a new world that has few two notebooks at all. It's a to that kind of losing her shit when I'm reading the wait what I'm reaching eating the summary or whatever for the this anime show. Yeah. It says an avid Bookworm college student the main character don't know how to pronounce that ends up dying. An unforeseen accident and then I just stop right there. Yeah. Okay. Is it got him? Yep. It's another one cause start. Yeah. I just I just laugh, you know, yeah, that's what they have at number 8. Next stop for we had over seven. Alright number 7 Steve fate / Grand order. Absolute demonic front Babylonia apart 599. This is at number 7. And um, yeah, I'm I'm not gonna say I'm actually surprised has a hat on the higher up just because I don't see a lot of people tell him out feet Well, would you guys think about this at number seven? I haven't checked this out to - I don't know why this is on the list because it's only one episode out Dan. It's episode 0 so I mean in my hero, they didn't put in my hero or what's going on. That's a bit more on Crunchyroll get your shit together. They just saying shit Thursday's I'm going to check this out though. I might eventually check this. Is it this is the one of those ones where I don't know something about it. Look cool. I think it's like the locations. I'm not really crazy about the characters just yet because that's how fake Grant does it. Like I really don't care if it's not the saber my answer desert zuercher people that I know my fate stay Fate/Zero then I I'll check it out. My like number one thing to do. Um, yeah moving on number six seven deadly sins rapid guys. That thing is for sorry something like because I know the one of the sea don't really out like a filler sorrowful now I'm not I'm not surprised about this. A lot of people look do like this. It looks so. I don't know. I don't know why I stopped watching it. I mean I dunno why but like I'm like try to get back into is like one of those things where I'm just gonna have nothing to watch it then alternative. Does that sound don't like that? It means that I like I don't know. That's what song is sometimes too. Yeah, I'm watching I'm watching. Yeah, would you all think this one's at number 6? I mean, what's up with those? I'm not surprised at all, honestly. Hey Joe, that sounds about right? All right. All right. Yeah number five never learn Boku been us that can see the Lord in the shadow of the bonuses. I've seen saw season one is one of those have you guys seen needs a quiet all No, basically swirl like a semi Harem animation. So okay, bro Gally, then the covered items, you know looking at the cover to cover our there's only girls they're all like happy and you know all that bullshit say it but tell me why I looked at the cover. Well, I could have made it. I mean it's literally so this is just from the anime just taking it. Yeah, I know but that their watches. All right number four. Or easy for is equally are you the only one who loves me as soon as children? That's another thing Clips looks like another Harem. Hey, yes, probably this was the girl in the middle is kind of like a bump or lying under a kind of like a dog. Finished I probably got so they go times because it's regarded as soon to re the you know, the all the degrees and they're probably so moving on that one bro. Just look like a just look at it tells you what you're getting and I'm the protagonist. That's a six girls. I just read on in one. God is only one. Three High School prodigies have it easy even in another world. It seems like another one. What is this? I haven't seen it. But I saw the first episode of so this is the chi telling the high school students and they crash and they went in. The world it's nothing too crazy though Muslim too crazy on Japan. So they're watching. This is what they want to see the main guy the guy in the middle. He kind of reminds me of a guy with the red and purple. I know he's this super smart guy kind of reminds me of like a alloush or yeah just hard just a real small lose your dishes. Number two, the guy cautious hero. The hero is overpowered or overly cautious. I've heard about this one. And that's also fine. Yeah, I think I've seen on the timeline, but this is at number 2 in Japan. I'm not gonna watch it. But I've heard it's funny. It is just fine for sure. So you see an arrow? Oh that yeah. Yeah, there's one of the ones I'm actually keeping up with kind of like a shield shield. He wrote I wear the genres like now it more of a parody type thing because sort of joke is he like or who prepares himself for any situation so later like take that in like go like a thousand miles with it. Okay. They just who's he's a serious character or not. Yeah, he isn't your Champion but like with his seriousness just comes a bunch of like, you know, just doing too much like my man's like train for a week before even entering the new world like what you don't need to do. I don't know who's gonna be out there. I gotta train em ready. What are you doing? It was that it was next number one. We got Sword Art Online. This is a continuation of the last season. Yeah, I don't know too much about soda. Alright, but got some chick that looks like fate. Yeah character looking sad. I'm going to post her shit. Look at them. He's like they still dragging me to this shit. Oh man soda, I mean I've been hearing good things from Steve mostly for the last six really watching the season. Yeah, there's also an earlier call upon it and it's a this is decent like the the way they have it now like the first few seasons of stolen art. It's all about Kirito. And if it's not about Kira tell us about how to other characters like a dickey Kirito the past couple Seasons. It came here. Yeah, it's not any big in Japan from this. This season. He's not a He's leaving we definitely know for pal. He's funny. Yes, Moon isn't straight. I mean, I'm not gonna check my gonna like look, that's cool. Its secret sword art is changing up. In there Mom. Yeah, that's not that's your number. What y'all think about this list, by the way now that we're done. No, no, don't go. Where is my hero? I don't I don't understand. How is it too early when fate / Grand order is right there. I don't know. They got fairy gone out 27 those that to hire 334 I wanted to watch the grand blue stuff Gambler at 21. Yeah, just because it's a fighting game. Yeah II really wish they would have put the big. I like I don't see none like you no guns. Like where's that? Uh, no Psychopaths. No, nothing. What is the different taste? This stuff that came out this season only you're like, I mean, I'll go I'm still doesn't cease not you know about like continuations because it is continuations were far for as well. Nobody wants the rules. This list is horrible. I'm guessing it came out recently and I say that's how I take it if it is a continuation going through ball, and I don't really count. Yeah, wait, hold on. I'm reading it says the survey was concluded between October 23rd and the 30th and the total of a lot of votes cast for The 39 tunnels that have been available via the service. Oh, yeah be a Sri Lankan true, but was on okay. Look, okay. I guess I guess that does make sense because like why are you gonna put this article out on your platform and then you like, where is this my hair right sound FUNimation? Oh wait, but it's on your platform. Like they're promoting it like cause y'all are no money, but my heroism true psychopath isn't but my role is one. That should come out fire Saturdays, I think up alike. Play that shit was already out without exactly that's all I'm saying. I don't know maybe it's because it was it would have been so predictable. If you put my hair even when you store aren't predictable if you taking away my girl. Yeah, but that's when I but when you saw the and you didn't read it. You were my hero. This is how pretty I don't know. I'm just trying to cut us some slack right shit out of here. What's the next top and that was a fruit man wearing? Fairy tale RPG game is coming out next year and they dropped their first trailer of it. Yeah, slean the trailer E. I seen it. Um, I'll tell you this it reminded me more of them that black queer anime game or like the one piece. Yeah. That's awesome to see it. Looks like one piece. But I'm saying like more like darts so they words the but clover. But yeah one like the world looks open world. I'm see I don't know I want pizza game was open world. Yeah, that's what it looks like the same game pretty much. Wait. Wait a minute other. Oh they fighting. It was harmless. Oh wow. Why won't you return the base game? Yeah. And they really messed up there. No, I'm good. I'm turning base. It's not because it's turn-based because like I watch Fairy Tale for that brown 200 episodes from like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't hide it you don't be like hey y'all why that she met it's not something to be like young. And I do want to finish it just because it's ending and but yeah, I just I can't get back. Um anyways, from what I'm seeing here. The reason why I'm kind of mad about the term basis because the combat in Fairy Tail is so over the over the top. It's like, ah, it's a good opportunity for a good like mechanics. And yeah. Oh no, that's the only bad thing. I see about it, but the overall game Looks cool I guess. I don't know. I'm not a fairytale fan like that. But from what I've seen the first trailer. I know is whatever especially because it's coming out next year. You would think it would look at her. Who's making this? I'm really hope so it's coming on the PS4 and the switch and no expiry. We hope that these anime games take a step up cuz the last field in trash very was the last time was last one. The last one that came out over the last couple Let's see we have At the naaru Tobin Nora told aborto Striker whatever is called. You don't like that. No, it didn't last the my hero game. That was mid talking about no much super relaxed Force. Obviously, we talk to you love that game. So I tell you about how much you love the game. Yeah, you want peace World seeking was Don't yeah, it was decent. It had bugs. The last good one was Dragon Ball Fighters and that's going on two years of age. But what other anime anime games and they're about to drop Dragon Ball Z Kakarot. I mean, that's oh yeah, you got an amazing accurate. I mean It looks solid but I don't know bro. It's just like do we really need this again? Yeah, I don't know what other good games I'd like you were talking about to um, what about that? Yeah, those are talking to all of them have been made to trash. Any rate, um against disease of shine and the one punch Man game that's coming out. It looks like fucking the my girl should a little bit. I haven't seen any killer killed game. Only a killer killer came out it looked because they came out. Yeah, it came out. Oh, so it's trash. Well, it's must not be a milk. I didn't know it was i-19 that when it came through. Yes. Those giving a shit all over it. But let's move on to the only good thing. I'm like hold on before moves because fairy tale if he has what he has in the anime, then I might cop, you know, like big titty anime chicks and whatnot and speaking about that the gonna freak the Gundam crater. What is it? Yeah. I criticize that your name director or how he films or how his film has been towards Rome Aces on the gonna Creator said there's not enough fucking in your name. That's pretty listen. Listen. Let's just let me read that just need what he said. Well, hey, that's a he says stories about it. Oh he's When he's talking about this talking about the director of your name, this is films are a story is about a boy and a girl who are always stretching out their hands toward each other and yet the boy's hand ever reaches girls crotch. This is this is a quote that's on here and we looked everywhere and we were like yo this gotta be fake man, but it's real. No, you must have been dreaming like legit like you can't be our slander like yeah, you think it was trolling? It has to be mild not think Marco Torres and kind of do they'll make your name. He criticized something about Gundam and I thought you was just like firing a back or something. That's crazy. Well, let me let me read a little random. Yeah. Enemy Wards are that's crazy. Yo, he gave this man. Hold on. He said the Gundam the Lisa from Our Generations perspective. You'll have to go out to the way to make an anime feel like it's an introspective novel and bro. Hold on He Will Hayden Hayden. Why do you hate? That's crazy. This is why I think it's 22. I really love your name. All right, it's fool ass just like movie and then like on the Gundams. I'm not a Gundam fam not a big fan and I'll tell you why yo just seeing the same but him saying this is funny from like I'm saying you don't gotta make e-bill introspective. Now. I was like, oh the Gundam aren't that great Mike so it will be something if you like. Like be talking what's going on Hayden right now? I enjoyed a Gundam and economy. But like this is oldie. Why are you hating this much? I'm trying to see what this man said to make him. Go that far. Yeah, like what's it personal there is a got to be personal. you gotta like I don't know. He probably fought him back back in the day and he lost right now. Now he's coming up on in the company in his industry. And I know he's like yo yo that man over there. Yeah that all that shit sucks. Everyone's gonna be looking like what you talking about man. Like are you fading? What else did he says some other stuff, um question mark going on further and to make those aren't just satisfied with no physicality, and he pretty much just said, He's a young director. So he has his time I step in. Oh, yeah, he says he's still a young girl right there. So I suppose you can still make them like that's funny and he's got another big film coming out which is whether you few he said, well, he's the only song I guess he doesn't have to have water mature concert. He's young. So I guess he'll learn what do you mean? Don't need that that's like that's so now that I'm like reading this and thinking about it. Did you imagine he's the type of dude? That's kind of like directing our Fort I can you imagine like the your name guy? He's been in the middle of directing fire force and then a guy and in the background. Hey, you gotta make her like burn all her clothes off. I won't point. He's like dude. I'm just trying to tell a cool story with action and he's like nah, that's me. Sure, May. It's going to show you just how like I don't want to say because that's what the director I don't know how the viewers are saying are like want in and or wherever they were watching it. Yeah, man, like I don't know too many people who enjoy that's what they take out and Answer it. Anyway, I'm like yo, I really love my hair because all the high fanservice on this the more you exercise. Yeah, throw that shit away answer. That's just me. Yeah, I'm going that bro. What are your thoughts joke, isn't it? That's crazy. We got we got we believe crime going on man are slandering other directors on their animation. That's crazy right out here in these week is why can't we build each other up, you know? Come on, this love shit. What hey making love. Let's just get down to it. They're like, so that's another thing man. Basically to had the end of the tour. I want them to kiss. That's it. It's like a goddamn crazy indeed. And I didn't think this episode really feel like talking this, huh? It's heels are the questions I could question. Um every week. We asked you guys may hear some new topics questions and you are one of our Twitter's and whatnot. And yeah, these are the questions we get go ahead and make sure questions and try to answer them. I'm going to try promote more that you know, you can send in your damn questions because whenever I do ask through Get the same thing. No one cares. Honestly, I don't care if you don't care about me. But this week we got evil asking us as a new era of anime love up or pair to last generation. Um, The last January I hear whether generation is my hero what's happened tell, you know, it's a big tree over. I mean, there is no big three for this generation there is because the big three is cuz it's only Naru total when using bleach bath because that happen. Wasn't no Victory before that they were called the victory because of the impact on on this is the first generation. No, they're not. What do you mean Dragon Ball Z Yu Yu Hakusho announced it was out before that. Hold on Naruto. So you gonna be disrespectful to our tell right now, I did you say he's not he's not he's not a next-generation on Naruto. That's crazy, man. That's not what I mean. He's doing wrong. Say there's another new bitch because the victory was so so much impact are you saying they had like the same like a level of impact that it's not that it was like unheard of before and that's how they became. Their own thing black clothes right now is closed. It's like has that fan-based for what not going long? I didn't I didn't think I don't disrespect in Black clothing. I disrespected my hero that's crazy. It's usually has to be an anime that goes on for like episode and like obviously like one piece is My granddad's been no. Well. Yeah, but not like I see what you're saying though Gotta Have impact so it I mean does that make it? So the last generation was better final that's not what I'm saying at all. It's not like I'm just yeah, I'm not In as can, I answer the damn question. Oh, no, man it be answered. Is that the question? Is that Hannah be answered at this or is it too early? They might be might be terribly only decade. honestly I need to go on by decades because I think the 22,000 2010 might be better. Might be because all what happened. We had a Code Geass we had. Was all full mental 2000-2010. Yeah, 2009 2010 and what else we got Diana will find you ever see the note. No, they will throw that one in there. Underwhelming are told one piece all that bullshit. All that came out 99 2000. Yeah. Well, Naruto King. Yeah, it didn't 2017 but it's starting to like 99 2000. I don't know but this no you cannot you can count that in 2010 to know. So like 2010 and now you can count on. Attack on time now, obviously all the new stuff Demon Slayer it truly is about like the longest because like when you talk because obviously Cowboy Bebop to get an when Joy Code Geass Steins Gate, but they're never mentioned and threes only because August they might be way better than the long-running animes. Anna be ass definitely is like consistent. You have longevity has a big part on it because I like us in the house including coal Geass and Death Note they came out in 2007, but don't like 24 episodes. They only had like a one or two year running. Yeah, and like I don't remember, uh called me asked me on my TV. I don't remember death know being on TV when I was coming up, but I remember one piece. I remember Nora till I remember bleach and I remember Yuu-yuu Hakusho be announcing all those honey plus easy no sense. Why didn't that doesn't make sense? Why why I kind of said black cloak for just cuz it's been running. So that's why I say that at that but the generation has in my heroes really good but like They just fucking delayed an episode. Yeah, I mean it just comes down to this. I don't know if you just think the shows are better or not. I don't think Black Clover is better than Naruto I don't watch it. So Georgia, what do you think you you watch this? Well my answer to look at the question. That's a okay. It lives up to you know, the older generation tour, like open the pathway for easier access to it, you know and made it more more friendly to a lot of you know, like bag and a like if you like watch a ton of anime you couldn't like but yeah, I'm gonna leave and yeah, but now, you know is more open to everybody so And there's plenty of anime for for everybody. So that's a nice looking up to but you're not like there isn't likes a light till I you know, like these the top three anime like the best you like. You're like you're like like if you if you wanna go off and pack the wound impact Naruto one piece and bleach. I like and that's a lot of people's Gateway animate besides Dragon Ball. Yes, like they made it like I think it was me and Chaos or black or somebody talked about like yo, if we was in school now, like like all of these kids will be talking about anime burn like it's everybody's only option and today like Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So so I say it doesn't live up to your generation just in a different way like like it's all right, give people more options on what to watch now the word when there's so much stuff like a lewd. I really think isn't oversaturated oversaturate. Yeah. It's like enemies become so popular kind of what Steve everyone's talking about. Everyone has a different taste now everyone has their own opinion. That's where you get like all these layers start on lines. Like I'm not good at the like you're getting everyone's in like opinion on it things that sometimes you just don't need a your opinions. But back back in the day back in the day was so Niche that people who actually watch anime like watch good anime. They and me now people when they jump on for instance, um, like a casual person now and a jump on Our two-part. Oh, there's like whatever is popping back then if they want to get into anime there. They don't know where the watch to Mommy. Yeah. You better watch know me. I like watch out. Yeah internet a lot of it was burnt and now you enter and I could watch I think it just it's your own choice. But I pinion I don't think this generation. That's the most expensive. Oh, no, don't worry. That's like I got a full metal in number one death not attacking times real good. I got mission is Outreach session is really good. This generation got some anime girl named. Yeah, that's the thing about like the last decade because it wasn't that many crazy movies are like all the years. I can lose. It was the - that's Because I will oversee. Popular dad now under stress put on the big screen and the guy that got the budget brother. I broke one. He's floors. There's anime showings in it would be their last we brought I saw the one-piece movie last we like I'm about to go see the cartoon movie in two weeks. Like I never told ya never thought that she would happen Hey cuz I remember one of the First animated movie showing is that was at my theater was the Dragon Ball Z battle. Gosh, I was like, all right, it's Dragon Ball Z. I can see it happening. You know what I'm saying? The when they start making on the piece and it was the prom are ya like that Mom. So what like Bana but we're not there like some anime shows that show up to 4 premiere. Oh the attack on Titan Premier. They had like the first two episodes are some going in theater. Yes. He like it's the different time number feel so different time. Let's fucking move on because I should you okay? Yeah like 48 minutes, bro. We haven't touched and Is not going to take one we only got what three shows. It will mirror. Yeah. Thanks. My son. Tommy good. Yeah, we're good that lady. I don't like yeah, let's hope hopefully we answer that question either. We went and Bill real the neck. You're a real weave should I'm so my the best episode till tomorrow next week. Um, I don't know. Let's jump into the anime otaku by anytime at first, but I'll tell you this man. Nugget or watching Vinland sometimes Brandon. Mmm. This episode was good, but he be example last week. I didn't watch it because it's like it's I told you it's like I'm not interested in Finland. And yeah all this shit coming out and it's not always boring like I could predict what's going on Vince. What's the time any of the episodes are going to be talking a little bit ghola back, so we would take that again and then they're gonna get some action and it gives slow like I don't know for when my MSA yikes men. Don't know about that one. He's over again. So what's again? Yeah, so I asked what has been betrayed just like when we left off last week. Everybody's pulling up on yeah, my neighbor. He pretty much just says, you know, I'm tell your bitch asses slightest exactly but kind of people heads off so they're fighting other than whatnot and Yeah, they try to escape with orphan and B Jordan know why they had the prints in the back. I think so, they're pretty much at this point orphan and a sled Bijan. They're just pretty much saying together because Their interest is to save the prince right you won't be joining his loyalty to a sled and Thorpe and honestly, I don't think they're - - just just wants to kill masculine form and we also see we see that later on. So yeah, so the man why is it right in the way the men? If the horse would be joins, ugh. We've been caught again for the carriage Harry G. So they all fall off and this is the part where I'm saying, like orphan don't care about that. So after they fall off darn don't sound of horse and then he rides away if you would have cared about the print you to stay there, but he lets go. Yeah. Yeah, he went he left you a slit. Yeah, that's where it was going and And while this is happening, but they're still fighting with a sled him and his men he joins getting up and is about fight to protect the prince. But you never after this. We don't see them not the same in dead, but he would you do a sled like saying there was fighting all the men and they bring out the fucking bow on them the bows and out and shit when he tried to say something like yoga take me hostage and said Bob we already said no, we're not going to talk about how long that's like to do it in half. Yeah. It's masculine was going crazy people's heads off help people in half. I think even after this I want that fine to me and have they are That was funny Thor kill the big dude with the axe or whatever. He sees. He looks down and he sees like everyone fighting and he's like wait, you're fighting each other the fun of the action. We see him going down down. Oh, yeah. The Bulls are on him a sled. You dumb up injured it. I thought that was gonna be so. Shut up, and I'll but it's not it's not that episode. He's lucky. He's a lucky man bro when he's down now like that. He's right there injured badly as a couple arrows and stomach legs. Hey looks like he's about to die because they're all surrounded him. And then oh, yeah, as this was happening this round and Thorpe it it's pulling up. He sees everybody is like no, I'm sorry screaming these iPhone in then this is worth or or kills and he's like pretty much the men of a sled. I believe were trying to And a please him or something like their surrender, but there were like gotta kiss his ass Berlin. Well, they were trying to join up when I'm doing. Yeah that those their whole plant out trying to take the prince to take them to thorkil. Yeah and like the side I feel like if someone had some kind of brains way three cows been moving he would not respect that and that's where exactly what he did. He didn't respect that. Well, they didn't know I didn't know I didn't know how Like so anyways, yeah to do that. He didn't respect any tight. All right. Um, you're a slut. All right, cool kill everybody except for him because you're not gonna go to Valhalla, which is Heaven for them. If you don't have a weapon, you know, got a diet proud of when they're like, I'll scare like fuck so they want them to fight back they end up. But you know dorf dolphin rides in he's a slide. You see thorkil. He's like yo. Touch him. I'm a I all right. Well this you the win take him you lose and fucking dead because I don't worry about it. But yeah, I'll so now the orphan and fell are about that's pretty Who's cool? I feel like this is kind of why I've been like dropping feel like every other episode something happens where it's like dramatic. I don't like where the twist comes and then at the end of the episode we get ready for another battle, which always tell our ashlad and but like member in the beginning of but episodes where he's like you want to fight you but later yo, I want to fight you then goes and there Kel and Alright and then It's kill somebody already man. So after this next episode, there's nothing no tall order can afford killer the tall. Ladder sand for Less is he no pun intended either will like that love that man is huge. Don't play no games like I'm surprised of wordfence or by the person conch is so dumb. He should have been dead. Oh hell no look even on the one on the bridge. But when he literally jumped on the bridge lot of money people say for Cal bring that ass here. Anyway, I'm glad left is this right? Right. Yeah, I thought was a I can't I kind of expected this to go down the wick. I won't buy a kind of they're probably gonna have to fight that masla as I have to put it people in there. Hey, but you can see we had a little bit of backstory. Yeah. Is showing us what that we felt kind of protect. Um, it's kind of taken care of her. Oh, we got holes bro. The thing that stands out to me about violence audiences storytelling breath because the way the way it was set up they showed a flashback first to him talk to his mom about the the kingroot Endeavor and Hell, he's off somewhere in some mythological plays and yada yada yada. He's like brains and and inspired to do. And I'm hoping that whole part school just showing him like as a young boy. He had dreamed and kind of like what the dorfman's he had dreams. He's not supposed to be it. But like they got into this war shit and they do wait that's kind of like in the thing. I liked about it the most though because like her or his mom was pretty much looks just like just wait for the came to come back and mend his wounds and obviously he's not coming back. And that's glass like just like yo na the the brother do he's like yo, why are you going so hard you'll never throw your wife away or find a useless battle or pointless battle and he's like bro. I'm getting old. Yeah doesn't care how to do this shit my fucking self. Somebody else's head off and Boom Out boom and that's what buddies like you'll get there. This is Miss Grace. He wants to fight for for the prince in now an old man. He just a lie. He's at the point where both orphans out probably. Or and that's her. Like one hit his son not to knew that was gonna happen obviously. Yeah, and oh my God the fucking man. When was the brother's name like this the two brothers and the fat ones in charge the two blond brothers? I can't remember his name. But when I remember he had escalated on the ropes and then torque L pulled up and got in this mess face. He said y'all about to kill you pick up your weapon. Oh, yeah and do just froze just shut up. Now he just has this man is crazy because they showed him right next to each other. He's like twice the size of that man literally broke like he may have went to his waist. It's like smelling crazy. I'm excited for this shit II throw enjoyed the shoulder for this episode. Oh, yeah thorkil uppercutted a fucking horse. AP 350 pure muscle bulk would not one. It's my brother. Oh my God. Yeah, bro this man that was the mean is that because I was so imagine if if that wasn't a horse in that was fucking door fans face exploded by this is this what I went through listening pie. My gold medal is hype own what chaos there should as I need to pick it up. Like I don't like how every every episodes. lonely I'm bald cool. I'm new to the game damn like fire force and everything be rushed and shit. Mmm. All right. So 15, but the action is the action is coming right? So, let's see have the All right. I've been notes here. So in the beginning we see the scientist that we see in like an episode one or two. One of those is like one of the earliest ones and I kind of asked was that where did this man go then we see him now got appointed to accompany hate either head scientist. And um, obviously we know that he's not as is because we him in any season. We saw him talking to Joker Joker. Yeah, he knows about like that's what I also need with a fuck you Joker and like obviously he's not part of the nights. I think of those in law. I think I think what do this what he says he is the the science is gone. It's just he's like deep and hot hajima thing. Like they don't seem to have Jesus. I think he I think he's like a point bro. He's like, you know for sure is self because even though they even said Ikea I think the company But I might know that. They gotta know your big big they know he's from hajima, but they don't you know now to see if they get a investigate high drama aired smartass is better be inaudible tell these guys all the secrets of how cute are low. So, you know, he he so far he's been leading how I think Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so now they're trying to he says something like oh, yeah, you get need a mechanic is like yeah. I've been trying to recruit Vulcan. He's a Vulcan and he said no to everybody bow blah and so he sends Then Shinra Arthur and the nurse Iris Iris, thank you. They send Em three to go. I try to recruit Vulcan because he says he's around the same age. And by the way, I'll look this. So when they get the Vulcan and everybody else, yeah. Yeah, why what the hell does things like 6 foot so he gets there and he doesn't even want to talk to them ever say anything like I get out of here. He kept throwing like a soda cans out. Everyone's head feels funny. Like you see his arm getting thrown at Shinra and then Arthur and then and then they looked at Iris and she's like, oh, That he doesn't get it just closes the door. So yeah, they meet some kid that is pretty much as a scientist. But they basically always they asked the kid can. The saying I'm going in the house and they meet I forgot Lisa I think. but it don't really matter because he knew characters of that much. Um, but yeah, so he goes and talks to them. I forgot what ends up happening does it is he doesn't even want to talk to him still and then oh, yeah, that's that was another funny part. Like, how's the kid a go? Bring us some sodas. It carries on how funny part 2 I reacted feels like oh is he seems like he's warming up you surely welcome. Oh my God, and then weather looking into okay. I think this is app but this is before and they're like in the garage or whatever in his house when they first walk in and they start turning just sit on and like our third picks up. He's like a robotic beaver and it's like he's like, yeah, I touched it and it's no no area or whatever. It's like we went out water. Is it just the whole time? It's been like a couple minutes. He's like, yeah, so I don't know what to do with this and then they just like right there and then I got Iris the back touching stuff and this is where Iris finds a device and he pretty much shows them the device outside wait, but before this because Whether it's hogging up, I think the captain meet them the captain of the third company. Mmm. He basically tells them. Something like it. You're gonna come work with us. He said no again. He's like, I know you're the one that killed my dad and my grandpa is they all used to work together because the company third is to be The Apprentice up Dan Lisa actually work with it. That's how So he says no, but Allah and that's this is why he hates the Air Force and hate I Jima and here is the reason why he thinks he killed him is because the his dad and his grandpa that turned into a infernal at the same exact time. So from what we know now some crazy shit must have thing so, Yeah, so that ends up he understood as soon as they die. He immediately left the go work. I would have felt boy. So yeah that ends up have um booking shows them the device but it's kind of like like a be our experience which called a little graphic. A hologram world or a John Deere? Yeah, like they just chased pick something like they're in a no. hologram, yeah, it's a pretty much a show them like the ocean and Anna like life before I guess because they were talking about owed and was It makes it kind of cool. So they were all amazed about it and then even shimmers like yeah, we need to get. Oh, this is when they this is towards the end now and Shinra get his Abu Dhabi Ola is a polar bears his overs. I guess breast this pretty much a spider sense, but that's right. This isn't it warned him of captain of the captain third of the company the commanding to kill woken and it's like I have a fun. So we're going to have to stay here episode and pull. This episode is funny. Let me just chill no action. It was a little bit slow towards the Towards the middle, but I didn't know where I was going but then towards the end is a cool episode. But this is second season, I guess or 2nd Avenue intro. Yeah, so this is where look yeah. So some of the answers are going to be are some of the questions are going to be answered. As of now we're in the second half, hopefully and again, oh, would you? It was solid. I like the it was a little World building there. I didn't know that a fight. There was no animals around and obviously they haven't been around for a long time at first and we didn't know what a fucking elephant was. He's like. Oh, yeah, that's elephant. Yeah. Yeah and then walking together organs whole like a dream or whatever is like a So like I guess a van right then I was back and get them like back in honest and more populated and shit, but he said bring all the animals back from Extinction them like earlier. They're extinct. You sure don't look pal. You know, I don't know what the power of science anything's possible. I don't know who's not in the show. My purse. Yeah sick who's not initials all know about that. But we keep our thank you now. Thanks for the save that would you think? Yeah, I liked it. But I like I've been enjoying fire force. Fun little animatable. Oh, yeah, hold on before we leave. This is not really a theory but something I noticed. Nope. Apparently not the dude from the third company. Yeah, let's just say for sure that eats hunt them to us from those with the bugs. So I'm like everybody's got bugs. Hi Gemma and the evangelists. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, I see which is like what the is there. Because there are some type of connection there some you're white. No, no. No I said I don't like people discuss some type of like what are no bugs? No, bro. I'm just I'm trying to see how deep this connection goes by like one of these people's goals and like well, obviously the Evangelist want to burn the place up whatever they're weird. But like when it's hydrogen schools building was mostly women what happened if he I'm the event. Then Iseman have their research money evangelist aren't the same thing. That's what I'm getting at. I'm just trying to see like I think there's a lot of everybody have books. But the fire for I need they're one in the same. I think they're different because Joker it has nothing to do with a dreamer. Wow, bro, maybe he does because he knew she was brother was alive. I mean Joker could be exactly what it would name is a joke. He could be a wild card human being a mixture spits. Shut up. You never know. Yeah. No. No, they should be getting I want to know what the connection the evangelists and of the hydrogen people happened gilchrest interact with others. All right, so well, dr. Stone. All right, dr. Stone. Um Don't worry stone Wars Episode 18. This is where she hurts game popping and it's honestly almost like an appetite not appetite looking appetizers appetizer. Yeah, just cuz it's like the infinity War if like the next up only once His role as Revenge of the Sith yo, that's crazy. So send kisses. He said I'm a finish the job this time. This is how you wanted to say, isn't it? I did but I don't remember he was in bigot. Oh, no, it wasn't in this episode at all. It was the new guy. No, no because it was what he was and he wasn't a snip because he speculated that scent killer is alive and he's gonna build a science Kingdom without anybody telling them like this is what he was thinking is I so know what we need to go check out. They send these guys and this is how the episode again row. He's like, I think it's can row and then again on again henro is the one that that looks in the forest and they go house again row older the village that they're here and he's like wait which mean it looks not forwards like shit. So it right away this episode seems like a she here we go. Like they're right here goes try Alert the village and and as he was saying this, what's that, dude? Still don't got no money. All right, I'm pissed. You know, where is the girl in that dude? They're dead. Which which people are you talking about? Anyways, I was talking about the magician guy. And again, he's telling them like yo, there's a second dude. Yeah, I guess I'll see y'all need to run because he just got up revive they cigars and he warns them about the guy that's on the bridge that is about to fight again row and he's fighting him and see him like having Frank thought behind his Spirit when he's throwing it and he and like obviously the keep up with him, you know, this is they his eyesight's man. Um, I forgot how it happens, but he gets knocked over the bridge and then like he grabs them so fuck up to have fucked up man. So he's hanging on the bridge and he orders again roaches cut the bridge down. Obviously he didn't do it because I started crying like a little pussy. They almost look like he's going to because it started cutting up. Yeah, that's crazy. So I would have even if they did that how would they get back? I always wondered how people paid Bridges but that's something that's why I looked up on like back and they'd help look. Yeah. You got a problem. I was about to say I feel like the whole bridge bridge strategy wasn't half bad because it down because there's no not well that you know, they had a lineup because the inter-school like thin and small she was singing like the Heather he had back. I don't want to be one even though he was outnumbered or had him outnumbered. Yeah strong as soup I'm first seems like I'm he got but he got bathtub up. So all this is happening. Thank you grabs. A little makeshift gunpowder makes a little. I begun yeah, the like to think about the little fireworks Roman candles. That's what him so it's not as strong as gun that's already so he tells magma to throw a rock like a bluff and yeah, they stay other guys run away when he pops it off and they think they have a gun. I forgot what ends up happening. Oh, yeah. He convinces them. Thank you tells the Been given some to come back during a storm, right? Yeah because of the guns they have fun like order the fake guns. They think they have homework like they want rocking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so then everyone's like yeah, we'll go back in the rain a couple days later rain comes and and yeah, and and and by the way all this happening that guy was like guy's name that new guy. Oh God the mask for yourself. I forgot how yoga and it was it was something Chan who you are. Oh God. We'll get Chan. Thank you. Yeah, he tells again like you I just want to go back and fight them with more people. They won't expect it. Pretty much you could already tell like well fuck a real one if you didn't think when he fired them when the way he was thinking like Yeah, if you if they would have went right away. He had a little strategy. Yeah, sure. Some of these teenagers having like battle strategies been something look like a fucking well steroid it up man. I don't know. Who's who Tsukasa revive him. They're all in shape. Oh, they probably went to the like this prison. So yeah, the storm arrived they rushed to Village but this time the village I ambushed them with katanas freshly made a steal atanas. And yeah the village fighting bag. They look like about to be everyone's ass until uh until Chan pulls up that motherfucker. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And he pumps people is such fucking them up his little fucking special spear that I also should have noticed back in the forest when they're gonna recruit Jen. I touched his a oh, what's this? It's kind of like kind of like best to getting it. Is that your put that shit down before I kill your ass. It's all right. So then now they're fighting. Um, yeah, they need to Find a way to pretty much destroy his his spirit because he's using some they noticed that he's using it differently. It's like gets made differently. It's from bamboo. Whatever. I know that if he says is that at its worst and a konoha qu the one that breaks us leave it made it look like she's pretty broken back in the towels know it. Brokers again damaged it when he picked it up. Okay. So yeah, they stay even on it's in like a little flash but something yeah, like way they planned this all along and when Jen grab the spear when it was investigating like you got a little pocket money because the clock was about to get fucked up. She was in the middle of the air and the sphere was still spinning and then it just broke and then everybody will at the ground so now Now, I think that's the end of that up. I've got was a big T. You sure there's a big tease Bella think that lat eventually he backed out in detail will be back, you know, yeah mirrortrader, you know this weapon no more. I was out of state. That was the end of it. Yep. Pretty good apples. Like I said, the real shit is going to come in later. You'll taste and from what I hear. Thank you everybody. All right, somebody about the dog lying a lot of you cuz they a kohaku dad fine white where you like? He's the fourth strongest person on the whole village to the old man. Well, not all middle-aged. Yeah. I don't know what they do make like he was giving like was it can roll kohaku a Madman it was even mad my work. We he looked pissed off I got to say, okay. I'm fucked up to here. He rushed and got cut up filming. Like brother, that's just one guy. So cause I can't even hear you. I mean to cause the dude who playing should goddamn line and really one line so cool need to get these guys fixed burnt real fast. Okay, I'll she dug it up. So like I said. Yeah, wait, what do we got? What do we got breaking news? What what's the over-under of Tae Joo and his girlfriend being done? You're gonna have it. You can't say nothing, Georgia. I know you were. It revealed somebody else. I just got news up here. Anyways, yeah, I like what were you saying? What's the third? No sound. What's what's the bet on Tae Joon? His girlfriend being dead. Are they turned they just like yeah, we like it over here. But captured is like hot. I feel like some kozilek kill anybody that's on the science team and he found them. But taiji is pretty damn shrunk of you. Maybe she's she's a hostage and like that's my that's my theory. true and you know, he's too stupid to that's probably another reason. Um, I don't know it's a I'm enjoying the season 18. We got only a couple more episode. We're wrapping things up there one listening. Um, yeah, I got nothing to say this week leave you anything to say. The Popeyes chicken sandwiches back. If you don't want that this door is now. All right, y'all going to get that? Yeah. I am. I'm not gonna probably will eventually but uh actually not seen some clips and I want to go out there. It's not in our order some folks fighting young good friends about to go bro. I already went and grabbed 110. Boy grabbed enough you lay a I mean I come back here. I'm going to come back here ever again.

On This Episode of Otaku Summit, The Summit talks about the anime news and get real in-depth into the conversation. They talk about the Japan ranking 2019 Fall anime list and where they agree and disagree on it. They talk a little bit about the upcoming Fairy Tale game coming out next year and hope for the best for it. The Summit is shocked about the Gundam Creator hating on the Your Name Director for not having characters have sex! The Otaku Summit question this week was, "Does the new era of anime live up to or compare to the last generation of anime?". Starting off the anime reviews this week is Vinland Saga episode 17 (@ 48:30), Askeladd has had enough of fighting for no reason and now his men must decide to fight. Fire Force episode 15 (@ 62:03), Shinra and the gang look to recruit a skilled mechanic named Vulcan but first earn his trust. The last anime review this week is Dr. Stone episode 18 (@ 73:30), The village must get ready to fight back and outsmart their enemies coming their way. There were some audio issues that will be patched up next week, Again Thank you so much for the support yall been showing us!!

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In deze aflevering is Sonja van "A Dutch Traveling Family" te gast in de Podcast! Sonja, Tim, Anique & Yulan reisden als gezin het grootste deel van 2019  in hun Campervan door Europa. Het doel? Avonturieren, leren, verbinden, minimalistisch leven EN  pannenkoeken bakken voor locals! The Yoga Nomad vraagt travel-mama Sonja de kleren van het lijf tijdens dit vrolijke interview. Met het delen van hun verhaal hoopt Sonja andere  gezinnen te inspireren om angst opzij te schuiven en niet bang te zijn om (met het hele gezin) een avontuur aan te gaan! Het leven is te kort om er niet alles uit te halen. Highlights - Met de hele familie op reis - Leven in een camper - Lef hebben - Rituelen die je helpen om niet gek te worden (als je als gezin op een paar vierkante meter leeft) - Reisvoorbereidingen & spaardoelen - Hoe het is om weer thuis te zijn - Toekomst dromen en plannen Het pannenkoeken bakken stelden ze in staat om mensen te ontmoeten, streekproducten te ontdekken en nieuwe gerechten te creëren. Een prachtige initiatief wat voor verbinding zorgde. Ook nu de familie weer thuis is Friesland is willen ze hiermee blijven doorgaan. ★ Wil je meer over deze inspirerende travel-family te weten komen, neem dan een kijkje op de website www.stayontour.nl of vind de familie op Instagram @stayontour ★ ♡ Dank je wel voor het luisteren! Wist je dat deze podcast ontzettend is gebaat bij een lieve review & sterretjes? Thank you en tot de volgende keer!

Hey everyone, and welcome back to practically zero waste a podcast for making zero waste living as practical as possible. If you're new to the podcast welcome. And if you've been with us from the beginning, welcome back, my name is elsbeth Callahan and I'm so glad to have you here. If you'd like to receive episodes as soon as they come out hit that subscribe button in the Apple podcast app or wherever you get your podcast. There's a new episode every Sunday. If you'd like to support the podcast you can head to Anchor dot f m / practically zero waste and hit the support button and if you'd like to ask us a question Question or suggest a topic for the show you can email us at practically zero waste at gmail.com cutting your hair is often an overlooked part of going zero waste, but today's conversation with the owners of provide care lounge and Peterborough make it easy today. I learned about green circle salons recycling hair and how to reduce chemicals and packaging and whatever your beauty routine is don't have a beauty routine me neither, but let's get real composting your hair's pretty cool. Well, I'm Carrie McMaster and this is I'm Stephen stamp to me, but I guess revive started four years ago. That's all it's almost his third birthday. But every year well, yeah, but you're prepping Trace we had a year of sort of Designing and making it a reality. Oh, yeah, because it takes so much time to start a business lending space getting everything set and ready to go. Yeah. Tell me a little bit about you. Eco-friendly mindset and what is driving revive my background is I'm a hairdresser for 16 years and I had a background with fradkin and they're they're a big company. Right and I went to this thing a class at Toronto and they had this recycling program and I thought what the hell is this? Yeah, so I was curious about that and and I always thought you know, yeah, I'm totally going to implement that when I you know favor have a Status or whatever, you know, I kind of a thing. So it's a company that was started in Toronto called Green Circle salons. And what they do is they they started out just collecting hair. Okay even make Booms to to clean up oil spills, and they also make emergency emergency shelters. Like when there was the big fires in Fort McMurray and everyone got evacuated to shelters. They had a bunch of pillows made with with him. And then they like moved on to recycling foil. So for instance, if you get a highlight with the aluminum foil or anything aluminum, they recycled it goes through a washing system. The chemicals are removed. The foil is recycled. The chemicals are pulled out of the water and used as energy. I'm not really sure how they do that. Okay, and then the water is released and then they dispose of waste like if you have extra color they dispose of that in the same way without putting it into the ground. Okay. Um, it's Interesting that they also Source out provincially so right is it? Oh my God, I forgot his name the guy from green circles, but he was saying that because I wanted I wanted you waxing and he said well, we don't have anyone in this province to recycle that all okay, but other provinces they find people right. So I thought that was really cool the and their mission is to be Global like it's not about you know, we did a partnership we try to encourage other salons to do it for me. I think Nova scotia's the biggest one they have the most Most green circle salons. Okay. So nice thing about green circle is we didn't we didn't have to find a source of you with our hair with right? They do all that. So we just partner with them and they have beings that we send send it to them. That's so great that you were able to find a company that is totally able to take care of you as a smaller business, right? Yeah. It's amazing. How much waste there is and Harry you don't realize it like it's I used to go pick her up after work, and we didn't really think of it till after this your use whatever the Normally you see is yes think that's what it is. I would pick her up from work and she would be like, oh ice up to your garbage out and would be the one day and she would have sometimes too big full garbage bags. Can we just yeah, well here and all kinds of whatever everything. Yeah. Everything is everything was thrown out and we just thought wow, look we're starting this stuff. That's a lot of garbage for every salon. So then we started and I honestly don't know where it all came from Kiss. We have usually a bag or two like a grocery bag every business. Yeah, that's what we actually is things containers of the customers bring in that, you know, they brought food recycler number so we want to reduce that as well. I mean, you're right next to it so important. So I'm sure people are just walking on a regular basis. That's I mean, that's why one of the things we do we offered you. Because we've been coffee for our customers and we have reusable pods use a reusable pod in your Keurig. Yeah. Now my gosh, yeah, just keep going. We really just came back from Prague. We were in Prague which is a beautiful eyes and they're so clean and it's quite green there. And I I really like their way they made their Earth their coffees was espresso style. Right? I thought you know, that would be a great way to diminish plastic because I'm using classic pods. So I'm Looking into that I'm sorry surprise announcement we get from Willows bark on Charlotte. Okay. They're right it Loosely eventually also dies out for ya. Everyone loves them. That's awesome. Okay, she's ready for her tea in the in glass jars. Yeah, and you just go and refills go back and she's fills it up for which I have to do this right now. That's wonderful because for a lot of people they need you need a reason and need a motivator because like if it's it's saving money or if it's doing something good for the planet or if it's being healthier and putting less chemicals on their skin or whatever it is or eating healthier food. All these reasons are good reasons to reduce your waste and reduce your carbon footprint your trash output. But like you guys have got everything going on. This is everything. And we don't need a few people doing everything perfectly. We need millions of people doing some things what they can do and I friend of our shared post on Facebook. The other day was beautiful saying hey if you are aware of this, but you don't know anything about that. Thank you if you recycle but you don't do this. Thank you because don't feel bad about the stuff. You're not killing. Yeah, focus on the things you're doing and then try to address the other things. So there are still things that were certainly not perfect and I mean we want to try and get better at all of it, but Just trying to do as many things as we can that's wonderful and and that buzz of excitement is going to keep you going and trying new things and now you're talking about the coffee and you're going to explore that Avenues and and it's just so cool to take these baby steps each time and build on them. So as far as the business goes, like what is the process of setting up a business and sourcing all the things? I don't know anything about 45 minutes, okay. It's obviously started with an idea which actually evolved over the several months that we did our business plan. I when I first began I of course, I used the products. I knew I used Rankin products and I had some Greener products and I recycled right and shortly into it. I'm like, I want to be holistic. I want to take this further right? So then we sourced out this company from Italy which ended up being a real Opener unfortunately, we spent a good couple of years. Well, you're in a half building that line which was supposed to be fully organic and all the stuff and I actually started yet. Very sick. I my my headphones on my legs and my arms and my gosh, I guess that liver was all but it was this I went I went got an allergy test like my business they tested I'm highly allergic to this thing called methyl ioc, which is a preservative used in many household products many. Oh my God. And this meeting which was great. It was all the bottles, but I mean it was banned in Europe a year ago right for oh my God, and they're have this. Oh, we're like I can't use this right? So we found this wonderful guy Jerry from Define Beauty Systems, and he's quite green and he has great products. And then I revisit I like I said, I went online. I looked up each ingredient and I was like looking at things and finding out preservatives. I was recalling companies. And I was like and we just like went through this huge change and switched all her products for you. That's yeah to make it all happen and it I mean it's stem from her getting sick partly but her whole ethos coming into this was I want everything to be the best possible customers but also for the stylist and we employ prevalence and there are four weeks or six weeks, but the sounds are doing several times a day. This is really important for Out of of carrying the people who work for us good for you for thinking of those things too. Yes, what does green circle salons? How do they support you beyond just picking up waste that's pretty much all the other stuff is carried figuring that out and then finding and yeah, I mean the other element of course we've mentioned and I think a bit is is local sourcing. Okay, we grow their plants in there. Well, this is what we use for this problem. This is what we use for. This is pretty natural products locally and she's a medium has ritual Apothecary, which is right where the market is she's on the block of the market is great. And so they don't use preservatives right and everything. Shampoos and other companies use food grade, you know everything about the motivation of why people stood in one thing that really stands out to me really green circle. And with a lot of other things is people won't do things if it's difficult or if it's a challenging it's more effort. Realistically. We're the same like there's a very nature to be like one of these distinct but it's actually really easy like it's no harder to throw something in recycling the garbage it's know. Oh harder to throw the hair in the green circle bin. Yes. I'm in the garbage. Yes. It's all in this very low the only extra I mean washing them coffee pods. Yes, that's perfect. So good to hear that. There is an ease to your transition to doing things eco-friendly because yeah, like you said if it's not practical if it's not like that's the point of this podcast is a try and expose things that are actually really practical about this different kind of Lifestyle. Yes, if it's not easy, then people don't necessarily want to do it. Everyone thinks about Recycling and that's obviously green circle is about recycling but they're actually reusing as well. It's not just for example, but I always try and remember and share is reduce reuse recycle recycle the third one. Yes, we're trying to reduce as much as really and it really is and then the reuse the repurposing reducing carries big thing is because we do get all the bugs and even like our staff will use will see mugs are going recycling stuffing so she's had this idea. And hopefully they won't hear this before happens, you know, but she was what kept them. She's going to buy the much so that they have a reusable mug here. Yeah this lifestyle for your staff to because him when you're looking at your garbage output and it's already so minimal. You can very easily see the individual things that are in your garbage can it's not like a huge bin that you just Well, there's lots of stuff in there if you're like, well there's to Tim Hortons cups and two rappers from sandwiches and like, you know recycled or in the right acceptable or skipped altogether. So I think when you said reduce reuse recycle almost want to you know, when you sit you're offering somebody to choices and you kind of want them to choose one over the other you'd be like, do you want a banana or do you want an apple? The last thing that they here is the thing that they remember the most I think I think I don't know if that's a thing. But like what I find is you're right. The emphasis is on recycling produces. The first thing you should do. Yeah, and then then you go to reuse or repurpose and then you could recycle for the order is important but people are forgetting about the first two. So yeah. Anyway, that's just something that important to emphasize all of those steps because they are In a certain order for a reason. Yeah, tell me a little bit about the product. What kind of dies do you use what kinds of shampoos and stuff like any brands that you really like to celebrate? Well our color line. We use the BIOS Deke. It's a Bo strategic love feels, right? Well how a smaller European company and they still hand batch their products. If something hasn't been tested on human for 50 years. They don't put it in. Wow, so they're very concerned about what's going on our bodies great and how they process it and how they make you know, what they do with their waists and stuff. So I'm very happy with their products or very gentle they have like aloe vera Japanese hear things that are very soothing to the skin reduce chemicals obviously color does have chemical. Unfortunately. If you choosing to color you will be exposed to some chemical. Yeah, but it is the least amount that you need and our shampoos that we carry we have. No three lines. So we carry an Inca from Montreal playing third grade and they're so good. They're their whole word means water. Right? So everything in their will in their shampoo is not going to harm anything as yes, I think on their bottles that says you can shower in your home or in a raging River and very few like that then we used on Masters. He started the very first green aircraft. Sorry cleaner salon. In New York, I really like 25 years ago. Wow, and he does seem a color like he won't use chemicals at all. Like yeah, he's his products. I really like their full of essential oils. So you get all that fun smelling. Yeah and good quality. And then we have a little Boutique company from where I'm from Victoria, BC called Barbara and Fritz and I love the owner. I had the pleasure of chatting with prior to like, I really wanted her stuff in the beginning, but I wasn't ready. Take on the full line. She was a hairdresser for 20 years and then started this company 10 years ago, and she she basically had batches these products. There's several of them. They're all at your inter workable, which is is amazing / stylist products that work that you can mix together what I love about her stuff is that when I spoke with her about preservatives she was so caring and she was like, you know, yeah. I know she uses food grade, and she's always looking. For better quality. Wow, that's great and always aware of it. So she may not advertise that and she also doesn't like do this spring thing or the next fall looks like she's just like these are my products they work and that's it. You know, she's not packaging is beautiful. Yeah. It is really beautiful. There are some that are plastic. We also have Cosmetics. Oh, yeah. I'm just learning about really Oh, there's you know them and I'm just I'm just heard about them because hello baby carries them as well, but they yeah, they seem super good look guys, I guess go ahead and they have the containers are made of bamboo. Okay, great. Yeah, and so you just for so for the black shirt whenever you it rotates open and you put the little disc in and then when you're done with it, you take that and you put another disc in Just some metal, aren't they? Yeah, so they can be recycled in the so it's all in the mascaras and the refillable like say you run out of your brush. Ey refill. She has it in a paper sachet that yeah good girl flowers from yes. There is no the width of seed papers but it shift in. Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. The other thing I'm learning to because I was like, well the lipsticks I just found out. I'm so excited. The lipsticks in the mascara is can be recycled. You can break open the bamboo. It remove the metal aluminum tin rinse it out and recycle it and mascaras which is our what will be doing soon is basically if you break open the bamboo, you take out the glass tubes. He clean that out rinse out the mascara wand you can actually ship it to a wildlife sanctuary. There's a number they've offered and they use it to remove knit some things on the other for cleaning. And yeah, that's amazing. So we're going to start a little box like to bring in your mascara wand. But isn't that great to know that you're not like everything she makes is we could break down. Yeah, and I love that you want to become one of the come almost a hub in the community for eco-friendly action. Like if people have mascara ones that they can clean off and bring them in like you guys have a place that you can drop them off or if you I don't know if you wait Cosmetics or other brands that you have except containers back, but if they did then maybe people could bring back their product containing To you and then you are in touch with those supplier and stuff. I don't know how that works. But we haven't really been doing that. But we haven't actually been carrying me like that long time people have used up most that's an idea that we haven't actually done yet. But I mean like people's compost will collect people's this one of those. Our plastic containers and plastic bottles. Yeah, because well, I don't think you really want class problems in your shower very much have a glass bottle with like a pump or something. So you're not. Picking up right where your hands? Yeah. I don't know. I think what they do is they use the plastic like everyone else to keep costs down. But then yes, they are. So on top of sending out there. What is it? Like for leader? Sorry for leader. Drugs that people can send back for a refill to get such a wonderful company. Okay, so we first first got their order in and we got little minis and we had the birthday were giving them out and stuff like that and they sent us. Another order and I think it must have been around Thanksgiving and inside was a beautiful card and a satchel of sage from their Garden. I'm like frollo. This is so nice, right? Like that's another thing. I love about all the companies and yeah, there's one we haven't talked about was simply natural Canada Sherry. She's a local people local town and she has her stuff here and she's wonderful products as well. And but they all like it's their people that you know reach out to me. Like they take time to talk to me. They say hello if I'm like having ordered in a while, you know that kind of a thing. Yeah. Well as other companies sometimes could be like, you know, they just don't even think kind of neglect your clients that come in are they coming in? Because they want an eco-friendly experience. But there are people who we've had some people were saying you had to find out of us. They said oh I did a Google search for environmental excellence in the area. That's great. And we do work with the random acts of green Grant. So we have people who come in and say wonderful. So it's a real mix. Yeah. Yes neighborhood people and and yeah, you definitely get people who are like sourcing out Greener products or I get the people with really sensitive skin, or are they just the other day we had to patch tests in one day from people had severe reactions. Oh, wow. We have a couple of clients who always come at the very opening very beginning of the day, right because they're sensitive to smells and I'm super sensitive to smells so I tried To learn the Spells. Yeah, because they're less toxic artificial fragrance. Nothing. Yeah, but I feel like it's pretty clean in here. Yeah, I don't smell anything right now. We're gonna you've been closed. It's all very gentle. Yeah. Yeah some some places you walk into and it's like you hit a wall is so over. Somebody in there is a bit of an ammonia smell with some of the rain the color because it's interesting. That's another thing that carry looked into she found some colors that didn't have ammonia and you're like, oh wow, that sounds so great it everyone thinks. Oh, no ammonia fantastic and then you find out ammonia is a natural substance. And I don't know if you don't have the ammonia they have to use something else which is a chemical derivative of ammonia. So basically, it's me a is commonly used and that's at the baby of ammonia. And ethanol okay and it turns slightly more liquid and you can't smell it but you still have the ammonia actually have to use twice as much didn't open the hair to allow the color going. So that's why you use those products as to actually swell the hair and allow the color to go in. So now the wiser. Okay, and so basically mea you have to use twice as much plus you also have to wash twice after you do it because it does stay on the hair in the skin. So there that's another reason I went. Tobias Tico's, they use ammonia, but they use a grade of it. That's so small just enough to open the hair. You can smell it and they make their pigments smaller so they don't have to drive in so are so very sensible. Right? So you're not getting as much chemicals and and super science. Yeah, and then the mea is like, well, you know, they don't know what it's going to do to humans yet. So that's another reason I sort of veered away from the not immune. So even though yeah, this is all these heartbreaking things I found out. Through personal experiences illegal is like it's supposed to be green. It's yes, then you do more research you find out for the real like, oh, wow you go looking like I was at cause I'll probably go grated you or can I climb and you go like it's like like and you've done the research. So that's wonderful too. Is that you The research the your clients don't have to you were the one who has gone through and figured out researched every single one of the ingredients on a product and figure it out. If it's actually good for the planet good for your body and having to be like, oh it's got something. It's got a green leaf on the packaging and the packaging is, you know, paper Brown like yeah, it must be good. Yeah carry Stones so much worker and she likes to share the credit for this long and I've gotten I've contributed. I've got a fair bit for this. But she has done all the work on all the products have been anything. She's just made it a wonderful place annual Awards in various categories, and we actually remember how we met up with the the sustainable beautiful, but they found you. The afternoon it was due to get the application nomination. And and yeah, we it's so we want to sustainable Peterborough award in the waste category for reduction of the waste that's going to landfills and it was really cool. It was actually was amazing because we got to see all these other initiatives what everyone in the community is doing in the other, you know water there's about six or eight different categories design. I mean the street that's been turned into the unused Street that's been turning being turned into a garden. Well, right. Right downtown they won. Oh, yeah deep a project project. Yeah, they want something cool these different put in your learning about all this stuff is like holy cow. It's things he'd heard a bit about got more information on and it's funny because we were wasted they go alphabetically so waste was the last or second last award and we felt pretty good about what we do and then we hear all these things were like, wow, we do this tiny little thing but it's know that's I guess the point everyone do your bit everybody contribute something rather than nothing. It all because you know, I can't do much so I might as well do nothing. Well, that's the wrong - yeah one fun thing are the awards were birdhouses. That's awesome. But people could actually use it instead of having just a big chunk of plastic as there were said, you know, very wise that a friendly face that did not have it was great it. Did you ever get people asking to take their hair home to compost it? So we had yeah, there's a lot of the marsh and get some for composting and Lea we don't actually really know how you compost for what you do. I did some research and yes, I want to know if hair how long it takes to decompose because obviously humans are biodegradable. You can you can be composted when you die. There's a thing in the space of the big initiatives. So it's kind of like freaky and morbid to think of yourself being composite. Anyway that aside school you can compost at home. You can compost your own hair. You can compost fingernails can like all kinds of stuff like that like your own. Own personal body but I don't put your nail clippings in the garbage can that can biodegrade put it in the compost? I literally put my my toenails yesterday. Yeah, but mittigar because I didn't know. It's so when I came here and nobody wants to do that. Like I don't even to be honest because I'm so spoiled that it was right there for me. I don't really know the process of yeah only is it out? Yeah, make it happen Okay. Well, yeah, there's work happening right? Come here. Yes. So many people have a backyard or a bit of green space in Peterborough that we don't need to wait for people to have Municipal compost pickup just start doing it. It's $30 if you buy a composter from the city and you just did you can get information? From Peterborough green up on how to set it up and then you just start doing it and hair is a great source for your compost because it you need to have a mix of nitrogen and carbon in your compost. You have lots and lots of carbon which is your food waste and then you have nitrogen which comes from things like grass clippings Browns and stuff like leaves but also hair is one of them you have too much because if it clumps and it can rot weirdly, but if it's like Loosely spread out if you just empty your hair brush and put it in your composter then it's really good for your plants. Yeah anyway, so that's just a fun fact for assault. I still feel like we could remember we talked earlier about the you know, if it's easy more people do it and it's way easier if the city's collecting it and you just put it out and they take it nobody deals with that. If you have to have the combos printer and use it my frustration with it is because I've tried to save some of the stuff as the mildew but Steve Was saying to me that you suggested me in the freezer. Yes. So if you are participating through share waste or bringing your compost to somebody else or somewhere else, you can put it all in a big container like with a snap lid and everything and stored in your freezer and that actually helps the compost to break down. You know, when you take like frozen berries out, they're not as perfect as they were when they went in because some of the properties of the berries are breaking down already and moisture is being lost and everything like that. So it's actually really good to like speed up the process for composting if you're free Dexter. Yeah, so go ahead and freeze it all week and then drop it off at my house. Do you have any other tips for people how to go eco-friendly researching and looking at products and maybe even coming to talk to us about the products and make small changes ya know like if your need a new mascara try one of our serving a new conditioner, maybe look into that. It just slowly start to transition. Yeah. Yeah things run out, right if you can buy new product does as things disappear ask questions. Yes, briefly we have because we have to go when we try to spread the word, you know, we refill oh naked models and but there are people who just like it and if you get it then they say like people saying is there any way I could refill this were like, yeah, we got the pumps down here. Yes. Oh, yeah and a lot of stuff. Yeah, great. Is there anybody that's inspiring you guys lately either online or companies or brands or influences? Sell the people we've talked about Karen and me and Sheree local producers we work with and I'm curious about the company down near Praxair. It's a essential oil placed called throughout the name. Anyway, it's a lovely place and other essential oils are low. Yeah, I'm curious about that. There's they're good for so many things. I mean, we like put a little essential oil on your dryer balls. Yeah, your fabric sheets smell smell so nice, but it's a gentle smile. I mean, there are things there lots of things where the actual thing I'm fine with but that when it's processed into something in a fragrance, it makes him sick. Yeah, so yet I've been using like they're almond oil just for jojoba oil. Just yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's what I was very sensitive to anything even good thing. I'm not going I feel like you're working all day and washing your hands constantly. And yeah, you must get really dry skin. So let's see your podcast to I know it's true and it's like crazy when you when you think about how how how to minimize that in your life and you look at what Everything you buy and you're like, ah, yeah, but it's so worth it. Yeah, like it's hard but it's good a difference. It makes a so where can people find you online or in Peterborough? What's around us? We're 73 Hunter Street East mini-city right side tolerance Pharmacy and it's just revive hair language.com. Yeah, you can book online, but just, you know come by or give us a call. Yeah, we'd be happy to answer questions. Thank you so much. This is really wonderful. Oh, thank you. Thanks again for listening everyone. If you want to learn more about any of our companies Brands and products that we chatted a bit today. I'll stick them in the show notes for future reference Carrie and Stephen are such a great resource for eco-friendly products. If you'd like to learn more from them, you can follow them on Instagram at revive Hair Lounge or check out their website revive Hair Lounge.com. Thanks again to everyone who participated in our giveaway winner will be announced this week on our social media. So head over to at practically zero waste pod on Instagram and Facebook to see the results enjoy looking for ways to reduce. When it comes to Hair Care may be refilling your shampoo or adding some nitrogen Rich hair to your compost bin every little bit helps to keep unnecessary junk out of our landfills. Have a good week everyone and talk to you soon.

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I had some people say like, you know, you might he's going to be a mess like it's not going to be a good podcast, but you came in positive you seem like you have a good head of hair. I wore my favorite Hawaiian shirt. Yeah, you look like a lost tourist. Oh, but you look like you suck at your biker gang. Like what are you going for is that I look like a middle-aged. Dad is going through a life crisis, but they're like make it sexy. You look like you're trying to remember your ex-boyfriend. Who? It do well financially this is great for a podcast with no one can see what we're wearing. I know right? Welcome to learning a language. Ok, so I just want to preface this podcast we started as this begun. Um, I don't want to warn you because we're in hell and the devil doesn't have time to warn you about things Heavens to Betsy. My name is Hannah burner and welcome to another controversial episode of burning in hell. I'm an innocent bystander. I got fired from bitches back in the day for something pretty stupid involved a ring light. I don't know what that is. It's a millennial thing. It's like a round light that girls used to have good lighting. Oh, that doesn't sound particularly. Evil. What are you can I can I hear that story? Perhaps you told it on like you're turning this on to me immediately. I mean, this is your pocket smart. He Harvard, okay, so I Francis Ellis on the podcast today. They just want to say when I say I'm innocent. I mean I don't I'm not a follower of Barstool, but then I've met Alicia net. I've met Kate mannion they both were amazing on his podcast and I reached out to one of my home dogs and I was like, I want to have one of the guys from Barstool on what guide you think would best be for my podcast and he immediately goes this guy Francis. He played Sports, you know, he went to Harvard so he's not that dumb and he He is a stand-up in his own right and I think you guys would hit it off and I was like done so I damn Francis and he immediately responds so kindly says I know who you are and funny we it's funny that we haven't crossed paths before and I was like, let's do this. We booked it for Monday. Then I'm hungover a shit in the Hamptons and I Francis texted me. I'm like, what is this dude want? We set it up. We're all ready to go. What do you need from me? I didn't need anything. I needed to let you know I didn't I don't work for Barstool anymore. Did you first say that you're off on Monday? I don't know that no, I think I think I told you immediately the yes, I had said that before I was like scheduling-wise we can ya do this any time on Monday now because we don't have work on Monday and it turns out I don't have work ever again. I mean we could do this any time any day. So why don't you kind of explain sure and your end what happened? So I worked for bar stool for two-and-a-half years and on Friday. I was fired because I wrote a Blog about a young woman who had gone missing for a week in Utah. And her name was Mackenzie lueck and it was a pretty big story that had a lot of developments and I wrote this blog because as I read that the first Friday was the first time that I'd actually recommend read about her and I saw that the big news breaking news that day was that her sorority sisters had seen that her Instagram account was active that she had liked a post and that this was cause for hope, you know, what post it was it was for an account called at fatherless and I went and looked at that and it was it's an account. I think it's a tongue-in-cheek account that says like girls with daddy issues. Okay and all of us Sure. This was good news. And I had this idea of like, okay. Wow in the age of social media that we live in that sorority sisters are finding clues that the FBI is missing. Yeah, the sorority sisters had turned this news over to the FBI. So it was like that was the good news. I was in a New York Post article and then I looked and I was like, all right, is this what's the story? What's the latest update and I started digging a little bit, but I was very like lazy and careless in my digging and I saw head. Line from an article on ABC News that said Mackenzie lueck missing no, foul play suspected / the authorities and that to me was is police speech for like we think she's gone off of her own accord. Okay, and then every article I read was always mentioning that she was on these sugar daddy dating website. Yeah seeking Arrangements. And it may have been and I don't actually know this that they thought she was with somebody from that website. Yeah, because when I first heard it, I'm like really are you trying to pick like the all these articles that were written about are you trying to find these like embarrassing side facts, but I guess maybe they were using it to try to discover what dude might have given after exactly that I'm not really sure and then I finally I went and looked at her Instagram and it was close. Closed but in her profile it said that she was a huge fan of one of the Barstool podcasts call her daddy, which is like a big podcast. And so I thought okay given these three pieces of information. I'm going to write I'm going to present this this block and I basically I started the blog by saying like look first and foremost. We hope she's okay if anyone has any news about her, please contact your local authorities Etc. And then I was like her sorority sisters found the Instagram activity and hopefully that's a good sign. And what was the activity will let's see the account she liked and I post a couple of the post from that account and I was like, it's a hodgepodge of like pro-feminist stuff messages, but also some like first crappy photos and I included a couple of those with some like offhand remarks about like look here's a girl filling up. Up her automobile with fuel in a scandalous way and whatever none of that had any bearing on Mackenzie Louis. Yeah, and then I wrote In the End some offhand remark. I was like and finally she's a fan of call her daddy. Let's hope that the girls can send her some merch went all of this turns out okay thoughts and prayers period and I blogged it and I That and you know, I write like I don't know for blogs a day say what's your blogging process? Yeah, are you contractually obligated to write four five a day? Not not really there's a quota necessarily but I am a writer and I've been writing for a while and I was at Barstool and I don't submit to an editor. Yeah and chief or an editor because I was a senior bloggers and I how do you become a senior blogger a parcel? I think it's just like can have you demonstrated that you're a good enough Rider? We have high engagement on it. Yeah, but also like are you are you at risk of posting like stuff that needs to be sanctioned? Okay or overseas so you for two years. Have you ever gotten trouble with your editor before in the first year that I was working there? I had to submit all my blogs to an editor and some of those he'd be like, nope. You can't that's not going to go why you know just subject matter or like, you know, it was like it was too dark. or maybe brands not I don't know if I would say off-brand just like he had a very good sense of like what would be will do? Well, what would like get us in trouble? Oh, ok. So he was like the sensor guy but it's a thin line because to get good reactions. You guys want to have strong opinions, right? Yeah, and I was I was always a comedian there who wanted to push the envelope. I found humor on the The Edge. Yes, and that's how I am. Stand up and people are going to bars still for their news. They're going for like the funny opinions on the new. Yeah fair, but I mean look, I'll just say this like bar stool is always trying to be funny and humorous and what I had chosen as subject matter simply was not funny at all. And in that sense, it was off brand and what I had written as a topic Choice was something that I don't think anyone else that the company would have chosen. So do you think that if the girl wasn't found passed away it would have been cool. I don't think I would have gotten an in as much trouble necessarily but I still think that they would have been like dude. What are you doing here? Hmm, so it's hard to know do you think it's kind of a culture? There is a little bit of a culture of online bullying that's easy when you're like have a little bit of power to make a joke at someone and people laugh. I mean bullying and joking is like very close sure and I feel like You were kind of just making fun of the girl. So then the grand design that I have to I have to say I was not trying to make fun of her, huh. That wasn't my goal. And I think it my idea. I don't think I was really trying to make fun of anyone. I think my thought was it was relevant, you know to our audience based on the call her daddy connection. I think I thought that people oh would I don't know. I really don't know what I was thinking. Honestly. I don't have a great answer for why I would ever have chosen this piece to talk about. It was like 11:00 a.m. On a Friday right before the Fourth of July and I was struggling to find any stories to write about and I'm like, I always get anxious. I did get anxious at Barstool when I like hadn't written anything before. Noon because I knew it was my job to write and I wanted to make sure I had shown that I came to work that even though you are you were one of the top personalities a Barstool. You still put a lot of pressure on yourself like you feel like it's a competitive environment to like constantly be writing the funniest shit and Performing the funniest stuff sure. And you know, I don't know if I would say I was one of the top personalities but I would say I felt always a professional You know requirement to to put out content everyday, right? So I had my radio show on Sirius Barstool breakfast and we did that on Friday morning and then I came out of the studio and I was looking for stories and and we have so many writers that I had a lot of the stories I would have wanted to write about had been taken already. And so I saw this one and I thought okay, you know, that's that's fair. I wrote my blog I hit publish and it's very important to note. That when I wrote the blog she was a missing person for whom there were hopeful signs. Mmm. That was my impression. Yep that she was a missing person that a lot of news outlets were kind of hinting that she was not missing for bad reasons within an hour of me posting the blog they had named a suspect. T' and then they were like digging in his backyard and it's started to look really really bad. Yeah, and that was when I took the blog down. Yep, and after that very quickly, they heard that she had passed away. Did you immediately realize that's when I knew it'd be in bad trouble. I think I think it started. I knew I knew when they they said they had named a suspect. I think I knew when that was the Did you think you could lose your job to be honest with you? I thought that almost every day that I worked there. I thought I was going to lose my job. And that that was just me. I'm like an anchor extremely anxious person. I always thought that I wasn't doing well enough or that that you know, it's funny because I was like, I think you're on the top personalities. I just talked with my friends and they're like, yeah Francis is really well respected for his comedy. I appreciate that, but it It's interesting to see how sometimes exoti makes you do things that aren't necessarily in character for listeners. I'm just talking in general like this is burning in hell. This is people who are going through hard times and you know, you even said to me like it was lazy and the reason is probably lazy was because you weren't really caring about the content. You just wanted something to come out that was funny and you wanted the result. It wasn't like you weren't enjoying the process of writing a well done comedy or yeah. Look, I mean that this is the Important thing like I didn't think it was funny. I didn't think what I had written was funny. I don't even know if I would say I wrote jokes in the block. Okay? I don't know what I was doing. Yeah. It was just an absolutely ridiculous lack of consideration and a horrible oversight and a very tone deaf moment in my career. Yeah, I've had them before. Yeah, fortunately, I guess the early other ones that I've had have always been like less incendiary. Yeah, but this one was so so bad in light of how everything turned out. You think it's one of the worst things that anyone's ever done at Barstool. I I don't know. I don't I don't know. I can't I can't really say I can't compare what I did to some of the other things that have happened there. I think it's very important. I didn't read the article you wrote. Yeah. I know. I'm not like buttering it up. Yeah hear what I just described was exactly how it was. Yeah, and there's a Washington Post article that wrote about my firing. Yeah, the Deadspin wrote about it and they were pretty Are but basically they were like, who knows why he did this like it's like it doesn't really make a whole lot of feel like it's not because you're sexist or racist or write or have something of a vendetta against that girl in particular right? I didn't see like oh my God missing girl. Here's a source for for humor. Yeah, and it was more the connection with Barstool and her no, I can't really blame it on me because nobody there would have would have like encouraged me to write all her daddy that was My thought yeah, but like it would yeah exactly. I was like, hey this people will connect with this story want to read this. Okay. So sitting here right now, what have you learned? Well, I fresh this should his fresh. Yeah. I've learned a lot. I mean I've learned that, you know, you must never certain things are just too messed up to really ever try to present in a humorous way, but it's hard with comedy. Like I was just on a podcast where I talked about How I had a date with a guy who gave me chlamydia and then the next morning. I didn't know it gave me chlamydia yet, but we're it's romantic and it's cure and during this just a pill it's really nothing but I went to brunch with him and the podcast guy was like, why did you go to brunch come up in the excuse? They like your family died. And and then he like we started going this long joke about how like the excuse of your family dying. It's like how they died again. They died last week and I know and I lost a lot of grandparents in college for paper extension. So it's like where is the fucking line? Everything's going to affect someone in a wrong way. I do think what you did was tone-deaf totally fair. And I think the important thing to know is that everything that comes from Barstool in my opinion in my understanding that I gained while I was there is that it's always meant to be entertaining and funny. It's not meant to like ruin lives or I don't know. I mean everything I did I'm a comedian like that was always what I was trying to do. Yeah, which is why this blog really unfortunately was a massive misstep for me because I don't think I was trying to be funny. I was just I was just careless and lazy and I was writing something to show that I came to work that day and I chose the wrong topic and when you step back and you look at it realistically I was making light of a young lady whose family, you know was going through a horrific ordeal and who I guess if I had looked closer signs were not good. Yeah that this was a good that this was going to be an okay situation. Were you also writing about like her thirst-trapping-- No not her the the those that she was liking the post. She liked was of an account that had nothing to do with So the crazy thing is one one Outlet The Daily Beast and I hate to even name them this guy reached out to me for comment and I offered my statement and then his article was titled Barstool Sports writer slut shames a dead girl. I actually saw that this morning and I was like, oh different Spin and I don't know that anybody who has read the blog that I wrote could possibly come up with this idea. Idea that I was slut-shaming, okay. So as you guys know I use anchor dot f m-- to create my podcast and I've been talking to you guys about it before and I've been getting a lot of messages that you guys have had podcast ideas that you are now starting on your own and it's so awesome. Keep sending me your podcast that you guys are creating if this podcast has inspired you in any way or you feel motivated in some way make your own freakin podcast. Do it. Stop. Stop waiting just do it. Who cares? It's really just fun. 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Okay it actually what okay. So the title I had for the article and this speaks to everything. I just said college student Mackenzie lueck fan of call her daddy and Proud Sugar Baby still missing. Sorority sisters hopeful due to her recent Instagram activity that I include the part from the New York Post and then I wrote let's start with something meaningful if anyone has seen or heard from Mackenzie Luke, please contact your local authorities. She's been missing for a week. But now the sisters of Alpha Chi Omega have reason to Hope MacKenzie's Instagram recently like to post on at fatherless. What can we find on that? Out why your traditional hodgepodge of pro-feminist messages and body positive methods of refueling ones automobile, and then I included a picture of a girl who had her butt out filling up her car with gas that was on the fatherless and then another picture from fatherless. Also Surefire ways to summon helicopter rescues in the mountains and there was a lady up in the snowy mountains like with her butt out and I I said cool account, but let's get back to Mackenzie if we can as it turns out the young lady frequents sugar daddy dating websites including seeking Arrangement.com initially. The police said they did not suspect that Foul Play was involved which is good news. But now they're saying no comment to the foul play question and they're digging around in her neighbor's backyard and it wasn't looking good until the Instagram like popped up which thank God was seen immediately by our sisters at Alpha Chi Omega, we won't break out the bubbly. Quite yet, but it's nice to have a glimmer of hope in this otherwise horrific ordeal. I did some more digging myself. Here are some things I found and I included this like interview that a private investigator gave and I ran and I said what the fuck was up with that private investigator. I quoted him. He said I actually met Mackenzie three or four weeks ago to Bar having a drink with a friend. It was kind of revealed to me. She was on seeking Arrangements. I said dude, give us a break you set that data. Up because you found her on seeking Arrangements. We should be looking at you and stop speaking half Australian. He had this weird accent. I then checked her Instagram and I included a screenshot of her Instagram bio and I said this must be her fence te because 222 followers is pretty weak for anyone in a sorority point is she's a huge call her daddy fan. Woohoo. I'd love to see Alex and Sophia discuss MacKenzie's plight on their next episode provided turn things. Turn out well. Thoughts and prayers and that's the blog I wrote. Do you hear slut-shaming in any of that? I don't yeah. I mean that guy was just trying to like to put white its clickbait. It's good, but I feel like the fact that it was under bar stools name and bar stool has already been under attack for being looked at as like a misogynistic right website. It's like yeah, it's under that brand which makes you look at it through a different lens. Yeah, do you agree with that? I do I can understand that but I also think like you have a I mean if this guy this writer if he considers himself a journalist, and I know that he does has it has a an obligation not to perform like right libelous things. Mmm. And he also accused me of being homophobic due to a joke that I wrote in a blog like many months ago. Fantasized about making love to a fellow male coworker. It sounds like Pro home. That's exactly right. I mean I am I can I have everyone everyone like it's no secret is named cute Frankie Borelli. Yeah, he's very cute. And I and everyone knows like that. I'm incredibly outspoken lgbtq and Allied my friend. I was like I wanted someone on my podcast would be very open and like not and just So full of shit, right is what I wanted. Yeah, and then that writer also wrote he was like and then he had also Francis also at one point wrote a long article trying to paint himself as an outraged leftist in defending Christine blasi for during the Kavanaugh trial and that's true, but I was 100% sincere and everybody knew that and now that your name is being talked about. This way people are going to start digging a little and trying to have their own opinions on you, which is kind of similar to what happened with the girl. Her name is out there people are digging and writing their opinions, but did Portnoy call you in his office? He was away so he called me this is funny. Yeah, as I was on the way to meet my girlfriend's parents shut the fuck up and I was on a train. And he never calls me or anybody and he called me and I was like, yep. I'm about to be fired and he fired me he was very, you know, he was nice about it. Yeah. He said look our hands are tied and he fired me and he said what you wrote just isn't what we're trying to do here and I totally understood and 30 minutes later. I had to walk in to my girlfriend's parents house where they were already sitting down to dinner. And claim my seat at the table as a newly fired person and they said why were you fired and it's like, well, I wrote a very bad article about a girl who had just been killed. So those are not good first impression things could have done better. It really wasn't good. They didn't want to pass me. The fish didn't want to feed me. What did they say? They were they were all right about it. I mean look I was able to you. Well, what was going on? You're like right now you're carrying yourself very well. I had some people say like, you know, you might he's going to be a mess like it's not going to be a good podcast, but you came in positive you seem like you have a good head of yeah. I wore my favorite Hawaiian shirt your you look like a lost tourist. Oh, but you look like you suck at your biker gang like what are you going for is that I look like Like a middle-aged dad is going through a life crisis, but they're like make it sexy. You look like you're trying to remember your ex-boyfriend who didn't do well financially, this is great for a podcast with no one can see what we're wearing. I know right if you're not Hannah is wearing a Harley-Davidson midriff cut off like pajama shows. I have to assert my dominance over you. Oh, okay. I know what Harley-Davidsons are you do never touched one. But goes well with my eyes the orange good moral rightness in my brown eyes. Don't overthink it huh. Um, so what your girlfriend's gonna get me off topic? No, I what did your girlfriend think she was like, she's incredibly supportive and was super cool about it. I mean live you guys been seeing each other almost a year. Okay? Okay, so she's not like oh God. I'm dating a monster. No hardly knew you like if she just started dating you. I'd be like, you know what? I don't really know this guy and it wasn't like a great thing. But right she knows you. Yeah look, you know in this in this profession and I would call you a comedian as well Q we try to be funny. That's what we're trying to do. Yeah, and sometimes we get it wrong and unfortunately unlike any other profession when we get it wrong. We're getting it wrong in front of people right and and people who don't know us It's not like fucking up at your accounting job. Yeah, we're at someone will call you into their office and be like, hey, man, you did the numbers wrong. Like don't let that happen again, or you know, you costs a lot of money, whatever you're very right about that and I know a lot of comedians who are very upset about the current cancel culture. I mean look at comedy back in the day and it was primarily like white dudes making fun of minorities. Yeah, and that's I think that like rhetoric is so important how we speak about things so it's it is important that like we're not That we are speaking positively about things and not just making fun of things because they're the minority right? Um, but then making fun of someone is being mean to an extent and also partially true. So it's a very difficult culture that we live in right now has Barstool within the whole me to movement which like I'm a huge supporter of I think it's already been great like us changing how we talk about just how men deal with women behind the scenes. I think as already changed some culture if it's saved one guy from making a Suck his dick for a movie role then one girl saved 40 Years of therapy. Right? Like I'm not about cancel culture. I'm about education. I'm about but like with you there wasn't really anything to educate you about like no shit. You shouldn't make fun of someone who Was missing was missing and and I don't I think you overlooked the severity of the missing case. Yeah, and then someone else I mentioned to me. Like do you watch Jew crime? Yeah. I like I like the stuff on Netflix. Yeah, like I love all the sick murder document. Everybody does maybe it makes me feel like I had a good day, right? Because I see how their day went with the thing is we're not watching them in laughing, right? Yeah, you know, I mean, yes, but there's like a it's part of our pop culture. Sure. Now, of course, these like murder stories an obsession with darkness and I'm very dark as well. I mean I have this podcast. Um, so I wanted to it's actually fascinating to have you in this dark moment. Can you explain your emotions from the firing until now? Yeah, as I said I had to go into my girlfriend's family and it was like a big family reunions weekend. So first time you ever met them. Yeah so her You wear that shirt because that would be bad. No. Okay. No, they were they were her grandparents were there. I'd never met them before her stepsisters were there there was a whole group of people. It was a big house do they are there they Barstow fans by any chance. They don't really they don't know anything about it. They don't if I hadn't worked there. I don't know that they would have ever heard of it even but I walked in and I was so dazed by everything that had happened. I mean I had worked at bars. For two and a half years every day, you know, we before Barstow I was doing stand-up for five years before that. And then I was tutoring I had I was running it to your tutoring during the day and stand up at night. Yeah. And then how did you get involved in Barstool? I've I saw that they were starting to run this like talent show called bar so idle and I applied for it. I got an audition I got Passed into the like Idol week. She was like ten people every day. We went in performed a bunch of tasks and then they would fire someone at the end of the day. It was like The Apprentice slides real American Idol. Yeah, and I ended up winning that so I won like a six-month trial contract and within two months had proven that I was pretty good at what we were doing. Did you enjoy it that did you enjoy your first two months? It was tough a lot of weird things happened. But what's tough about it? They give you wedgies? No, no for one eye in the first couple weeks that I was there a couple Sports Illustrated swimsuit models came in to the office and I did an interview peace with them like with three of them and I thought one of them was like, I thought we were getting along well. So when she left I went up to her friend and I was like, hey, you know, what's the story with her? Is she single and the other lady was like, I don't know want me to find out and I was like, yeah sure and so she like took my number and and then told me to like DM her so I deemed her something very innocuous. I during the interview things. She said, how do I she exercises by doing boxing classes? So I said I just D under and I was like, hey, it was great working with you today. You know when you get back from Atlanta would love to go boxing some time and it turned out that you know, they were I think they were kind of messing with me and my boss Dave was with them down in Atlanta and like they went over to him and showed him and then he turned it into like a huge content. He was like who the fuck does Francis think he is asking out the hottest women in the world, you know, this guy, he's only been working. Only two weeks and then he was kind of after all that he was a little mad because it was unprofessional of me to ask out a woman that had come into the office for Content. Does that make sense? Hmm so that that was like a big storyline. There's so many weird lines that I don't know should or shouldn't be crossed. Yeah, like you don't work with her. I mean I would argue. It's probably worse to say something offensive to someone you work with and just ask out a girl who stopped by the office. Yeah, but like, you know looks there are certain things that I can't do. I know I know but like there's certain things that I can't get away with but like Dave can I mean it's his company and he established a town and a following and he's built the whole thing. So so he has probably more dealing with great power comes great responsibility. That's a Spider-Man quote. I love that. It was from his uncle and was kind of happy. I remember that quote very vividly to the only important quote that ever happened. Yeah, but it's like Kazi as such he has the power to like Not to like I don't know. I don't know. He has power to act like a spider get a little weird superhero. I mean, why would that be something we would like, you know Dave he has the power to change conversations in certain ways and Barstool I think is evolving. How are your recent months at Barstool good, you know and I did love working there. I mean there was a lot a lot of it. They did wonderful things for me. They backed me they were so supportive of me Erica nardini. The CEO was like an incredible supporter of me. They gave me everything I could possibly ask for they never said no to me about an idea about a project. I wanted to work on they built me, you know, they turn me from a fucking you feel a little dream car anything without Barstool. It's what now? I think now I think now maybe like your handle doesn't have bar still in it anymore. Yeah, but I still I didn't lose followers when I left and I am excited to start building again on my own. So now when you create content stuff, did they own anything? No, I'm not. So you're free. Yeah, I guess that's the way they are, you know, because What are you gonna do now? I've been doing still trying to come on our podcast all the time. What are you going to do now? Well, I was hoping we could play some tennis and and maybe golf we had such a light-hearted beginning to this relationship. Do you feel like we've fallen off a cliff here? Well Francis is like I like your golf swing and I'm like, oh that's so nice of him. Yeah, and then you complimented my tennis swing and then I was like, he's trying to fuck me. Oh gosh. No, no. Well, I mean I have a lovely girlfriend whom I adore. Yes. Yes. I know. I really like playing sports with women. I love athletic women. I don't know why it's just something that I've made over playing sports with men. No, I just like I like co-ed. I like co-ed sports. Like I love I've always liked, you know, my mom was an athlete. She played tennis at Princeton. Oh my God coach of women's tennis at Yale. Shut up. She's an All-American Spanish player Christian. Stop coaching at Yale. Probably in the 80s. Yeah. She was doing her PhD they're cool and then my sister played lacrosse at Yale. So we come from a family of like Like Grace equality and title Niners. Yes. Hell yeah, I played tennis for my high school team, but they it was in the Upper East Side and we only had a boys team. So Title Nine made it possible that I played on the team on the boys team boys team. So I was part of some controversy because sometimes in high school isn't High School some coaches were very upset that I was playing on the team. What school did you go to Beacon? Yeah. I know beat him and then we ended up winning the Public School Athletic League Championship, but And we had the singles and they were like one has to play with the girls and then I felt so much pressure to beat out all the other girls to show like that. I deserve to beat but I got in trouble because I wrote I was what 17 and like the New York Times The Daily News were asking me and I was like, I want to play like a boy and all these feminist blogs kind of came at me and they're like what the fuck does that mean? Like you need a support like playing like a girl and that we have to change how people think girls play and I was like, holy shit there. Are so right. I don't want to play like a guy I want to play tennis the way supposed to be played regardless of the gender. It's not a physical sport. It's a sick mental game. And I was also I was I was playing tennis six days a week and I was playing against High School guy players who paid like once every other week if I lost them I would have, you know broke my racket over my knee. Uh-huh. So, um, I grew up with a dad who was very supportive of women and sports and that kind of thing, but it's Me to date because like sports such a big part of my life and I want be with a guy who has like at least 20 handicap of better and golf which is difficult your three. Shut up 2.9. That's hot. Oh Todd, um, and then I want them to be able to like just hit a tennis ball. Like I don't need you to be like incredible, but then I played guys who were like pretty good and then they get upset during matches. I'm like, we're in a date we're having A date right now playsets though. No, I like the hitting and they're just rehearsing chugging the Racket and I'm like dude. This is so unattractive like have fun right now. If I beg you in the face, it's funny. There you go. You don't get upset about that's abusive, but that's okay. That's great. See you like that boy. It's rant. Yeah. Everyone knows those Pockets. I have to mention tennis at least once or my brain explodes. Got it. Got it. Do you what's your handicap and God you haven't had 15. That's great on a good when I was playing pretty well, but You have to play all the time. It's the only two I mean, you're right. I was playing I played when I was 8 years old and I quit at like 11 to choose tennis and then I played tennis and then I dated a guy who loved golf after college and he had me out on the links every weekend. Wow training. Where do you where did you play like most of my family has a house in Shelter Island? Oh, that's nice. So that's where I like discovered tennis and discovered golf because I was like, you're from Brooklyn. What kind of why are you so good at country clubs Sports and I'm like because I hang out with my grandpa and the summer. He's taught me how to be a good I'm going to be the sickest retired person. I'm be winning every League. Anyways, this is not even my Prime 7 is gonna be my Prime. There you go. Um, you're trying to get me off topic you're good. I'm just having a conversation. So I looked at your website because I'm like, who is this? Dude? He's throwing me all kinds of Loops says, you're a comedian a heartthrob and a simpleton. I don't know who wrote. I know you wrote that I did. Why would you say you're a heartthrob? Because most gingers not heartthrob. Yeah. I know. I think I'm a minority of the heartthrobs. I am I'm people tell me I'm attractive for a redhead which is like sort of like winning a gold medal at the Special Olympics. It's like well, it's cool. But ultimately not that great. I don't know if you have like blond pubes or red pubes or Orange orange. Yeah, but I keep it I keep it tight. You know, I don't like to let those leak too much I think life is just a lot better for everyone who's involved. Here is the rest of your family gingers to my not really no, I mean sort of like much more strawberry blonde than I am and I used to have way more red hair. Yeah your hair you're very strawberry, but it's very blonde. Did your life how to affect your life when South Park had the whole gingers have no soul thing. Well when I Younger that came out and everyone started saying that to me and being like ha ha like fuck you and I was like, yeah, I don't have a soul. I'll eat your newborn babies when you have one. Yeah people would try to bully me for it. And then I was like, I would just pick them up and throw them or are you buying it? I was huge. I've been this I've been this size 6 3 like 210 pounds since I was nine wow true, but I was always bigger than everyone else. So it was astonishing that people would people try to bully me all. Do you like get good color? Not completely pale, right? Yeah. So at some point I learned to like own it and lean into it and that quiets everyone. So did you get pussy haven't what a vowel way to pitch that question. Did you get pussy? I mean you want to talk about like a it's like you're talking about me like accumulating some commodity. No, I'm I'm bringing power just Pussy okay. So great. Good. I did. All right, you know I think I did. Okay. I even know though. Like are you a nerd are you nerd? I was smart. Yeah. I tried you like was your smartness like put forward first, or was it kind of like? Yeah, I play sports and Lacrosse guy and I just happened to be smart, but not gonna brag about it. Were you like guys guess who got an A in calculus again? No, I never I didn't brag about my academics. But you know, I always made sure to take my do grab the market will remain. Yeah, rural Maine Freeport. Normally, I would come up with something that I know about the place, but I don't know shit about nobody knows I'm such a dumb New Yorker. There's nobody from Maine me very few people I've ever met cool. Doesn't it? The winters are long it's dark. Did you want to go to New York City? I hadn't thought about it. I don't even know how I got do have a small-town vibe to you. Do I? Yeah, that's like you're the kind of guy that walked on the subway and be like, good morning everybody. Hi everyone. I'm not here to ask for money. I'm doing fine. But I just want to make sure you knew how to Friday. I don't know. I mean I'm here. This is on you I did this as the first stop I do them shouldn't or you want to say I'm excited to be the first in the Redemption tour and I do think you do you are obviously apologetic but you also did say if you don't want me on your podcast. I completely understand. Yeah, I wanted to give you an out. Yeah, and that I was still a little drunk at the time and I'm like, what is this you talking about? But I do appreciate that and I think it told me a little about you to show that like you were empathetic to the entire situation. How would you describe your humor overall? Well, I used to say that I really Dark humor, but we may have to Rebrand. Are you like are you that dark? You got not so bad. You're not do you make like a lot of morbid jokes? I had a I just did a special by the way. Oh, yeah. Congratulations. Thank yourself for special on Barstool. Yeah. Are they going to keep it up? I don't know. Oh, these are all the things that we're going to find out in the upcoming week state or in Spanish are yep. I don't know if they'll keep it but it's still up. Were you proud of it? Yeah. It was good. I liked it. How long do I do? Yeah, like 5453 you now because it's out have to like start over with your jokes. Yeah, but that's the model in comedy. Yeah. I always wanted that I wanted to dump all that and start over. I think there's a mix between Like Comics you always come up with tons of new jokes. They never really liked put the work into to make the certain jokes really good. Then there's the ones that just repeat too much and are too scared to come up with new jokes. Did you stand up? So I You to stand up for a while. So I like watch so many shows I listen to so many of his podcast and I think I was just kind of subconsciously a sponge because I was writing comedy videos for batches and I always loved writing and I'm not afraid of the camera but the point is things do happen for a reason. Yeah. Sure. Why are you so positive right now? You're pretty perky. Yeah, I had that Honesty for a Monday. I had like an organic organic peach tea just a tad sweet. So I did it show at Gotham Comedy Club. That was like put on by Carl Everett never. Oh, excuse me, Everett. He does the heel. Oh, I was supposed to go to that show, but I had something if you had gone to that show, I don't know that you would have me. For now, I don't know I have tough skin. Okay, so I went to that show and a couple of comedians went up Carl was hosting it and Carl has never done. I'd never done common. So Carl called me beforehand was like do you have any tips mind you I've done slyke stand up at Caroline's for my own show. But I've only done it in front of people who know me and are rooting for me. How many stand-up shows have you done? I've done my own Caroline show for 10 minutes in front of like 250 people as only time I ever did stand up. Oh, okay. I've done like like shows what does stories and stuff? But the only time I like wrote something got it was my own show. So I don't know if you guys know this about me, but I'm not a robot and I hope you guys aren't robots either. Otherwise the world is probably going to come to an end soon. It's like a Will Smith movie, but I am unique and I can't just take a multivitamin and expect this going to fix all or kind of cover all the Health needs that I have I personally sometimes need more energy. Sometimes I want a better sleep. Sometimes my stress levels are insane and honestly, sometimes I just blow and have bad digestion problems because I'm not a robot and if that grosses you out, I'm sorry. I'm trying to take care of myself. 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I'm assuming and and people you know that it was like a military benefit but it was like fans of the show. Yeah and then the cast of the show Was sitting dead center all together like five rows back together, uh-huh and comedians were going up and they were doing their material and some were doing better than others. It was like, okay and Carl goes up and he made some joke about like and he was like, he was really nice to me. This is the first time we met and Carl goes up and he's like this next guy went to Harvard and play the cross, you know, he's a douchebag. Your hands together for Francis Alice and I was like, well, you can't call other people douchebags when you are who you are, right? So I was like, all right. I'm down. Let's fucking go. I took the microphone and I just did five minutes of destroying Carl Tiffany. He didn't tell me then the show in general, but have you watched it? I've watched parts of it. Have you watched season 3 at all? No my season so you didn't join until season three. Yeah, I'm a new cast member. Okay? Yeah. All right. Well then then then I should check it out again 3 is a game changer. I watched some of season one and I went on stage and I shed on Carl and then I was like by the way to show you guys you are on have you guys like I was I'd like to send to the honest I was like, do you guys watch summer house? Do I like? Yeah, and I was like why it is so bad. It is the worst show I have ever seen. Hey, I was like have you guys renewed your contracts for another season fire agents you are ruining your career. This is not something you can come back from do your parents know you're doing this. It's so bad. I can't I was like I was just teeing off just roasting them and I could see their faces. Yeah, the guys were laughing. Yeah girls were not laughing. I would have been dying laughing. I know you would have feel but also because you haven't watched my season yet, so you're not like educated and it was just a sloppy joke, which you I've done in the past. Okay. So season one and season two. We're good season 3 they got some new cast members and I'm pretty proud of the last season in terms of like it is my numbing. It does make you question why you're watching these things and what better things you could be doing with your life. Yeah, but ultimately, I think it's not like Housewives drama where people are like sleeping with each other's husbands and like stealing their children. I don't know what they do. It's very Abel drama to just kids who go out to the city, right and it's been a cool platform for me to trick people into listening to my podcast you will you've done a brilliant job. Oh, thank you. I mean no because I have a good friend who did reality TV early in his career cool. And then it took him 13 years to redefine himself as a stand-up comedian and now he's enormous is my friend Theo Von. Yeah. But like he he is so aware of detaching himself from his reality TV beginning and and I know that was a really difficult process. Yeah. So reality TV has evolved which I'm it's a lucky time for me where it really was. So authentically trashy back. Then we're now like cardi B and Kim Kardashian and Bethenny Frankel make like full lives of it. I was fortunate because I would never I'm too competitive to do a show like The Bachelor or something. Like I don't like that shit makes me uncomfortable and I would rather they called me and they were like it's a show we show people who have cool jobs in the city who then go out to the Hamptons, right? Like that's fun because that's what I've been doing my whole life. I mean Shelter Island is like the on Hamptons Hamptons like the chill Hamptons, but I was like if I want to show that like girls can be athletic girls can be funny girls can be be like, you know bosses and their jobs directors producers. I was like, I really am not I'm very not confrontational. I'll make a joke whenever I feel uncomfortable and I'm actually not very good at drinking great at eating terrible drinking and I'm like, that's what you want. I will crush it for you. Yeah, it's what not what you want, please. Don't push me into something I want to do. Did they reach out to you or did you audition or like sending it? So my name was being thrown around because I like I had interviewed Carl at fetches. And I was mean to him ice. I did something similar you did. Yeah. Sure. I tore my tour Carl apart. Oh my God, like likes it. Yeah, he just loves attention. Yeah, and he gets it and he's yeah, he's a really good sport and good guy. Also. I thought it'd be cool to go on TV and not like try to be perfect. Uh-huh like some scenes. I just don't wear makeup because I think it's interesting to see a girl on TV without makeup right now. I think that stuff needs to be seen it's like more girls playing sports like sure put it in people's minds and becomes more socially acceptable and there's less of like a high quota for women to look like fake and perfect all the time. That's what I'm giving to society. What a gift let me get. How Noble yeah. I'm like I sometimes wake up in the morning and don't wash my face. Wow. So another Teresa. Yeah, um, what's your deepest insecurities? Oh boy. I think one thing that people pounced on And while I was at bar stool was how sensitive I am and it's not that I can't be made fun of because I can be but when people make fun of me, I like to make fun back and sometimes it's a little harsher than when I come back. I'm like, okay you threw the first punch. I'm now about to burn your entire livelihood down because that's as a comedian what I was taught like onstage if somebody heckles you yeah, I a sin on them and I bring down artillery and black out the sun with my with my skill which is to to make make light of what they've done. So I think there are definitely National shit talker. Yeah, there are times where it's like I could probably let a few things roll off. My shoulders a little better would be would be definitely something I'm being sensitive I think is a good quality. Yeah, maybe And I'm not trying to like say oh, my biggest weakness is like something you should actually celebrate do when you fight with your girlfriend. Are you sensitive? Like if she says a little thing do you like not just let it roll off your shoulder. I hate to be this guy. We honestly really don't fight almost ever and I think the reason is that she's just like the most relaxed person I've ever met mmm because I had an ex. I never fought with but that was because I wanted to be like Like the perfect girlfriend. It's like if you have self-control like he could do something annoying and you're just like I'm going to consciously not address. Yes, but then like eight months and I was like if you fucking breathe in my direction, I will lose it. Right. So I do think it's healthy to have like banter and communication. Yeah, so you don't fight about anything. I mean, where's the passenger side? We have hate sex. We don't have hate sex. You have makeup sex. Yeah. We've had a couple of It's we have a thing that I've never had with anyone else where sometimes we'll be fighting and we'll start laughing like what in the middle of it. I love that just start laughing. We're like, we're like What are we? Why are we I love that so much. Yeah that happened once and I was trying to break up with a guy and we just started laughing. No, but it's like I was like, I don't like you anymore and he's like, no you don't and I'm like, yes, I fucking do you started laughing? Like this isn't helping did you stay together? No. So it isn't that funny but he just didn't get it or like he wasn't letting me break up with him. And finally I was like this is ridiculous. Right and like just cause you break up with someone doesn't mean you don't enjoy them. Yeah, right. I just was like I can introduce you my parents. You're a loser. Oh, no, you know, yeah, you know, I dunno know I do know, um, what's your biggest fear? Probably getting cancelled? In this day and age, you know, I've committed so much to this life of being a comedian being a performer and we see it every day. Yeah, and it's sort of happened to me on Friday, but I think fortunately we are evolving into a time where people are not they're able to differentiate between mistakes and on I didn't I wasn't sure I thought that you know people would say like, okay what Harvey Weinstein did what Louis CK did what disease Ansari did what Francis Ellis did it's all shades of the same straight white male, you know shit horribleness and what I learned is that a lot of the internet and the outrage culture isn't as As bad as I thought it was people are giving me the benefit of the doubt and a lot of people are like supporting me that I would not have thought would the executive producer for Ellen. DeGeneres is show tweeted his supportive me a very prominent writer at the New York Times. She kind of came to my defense and lauded my apology and I think the overwhelming response has been like one of understanding not not like To let it you know, who cares. It's more like look clearly you fucked up. Yeah, and you made a mistake and you shouldn't have done what you did but we're not going to Bar you from this industry. Yeah, we're not going to chase you out of town. Yeah, and I think it's important for me to remain contrite. I thought about whether I should like reach out to the family or like try to do something but I didn't want to I didn't want I didn't even want to bring it to their attention. Yeah, like it didn't even he didn't even want to be significant enough that it could have possibly hurt their feet. I didn't want to offend them. No, I'm so I think one thing Portnoy did say at the end was like the bigger story here is like rest in peace to that girl. And of course and like we all feel that way, but you were involved in that and Cancel culture is real it is it is so I think for me I was I've been very worried. You know that as a comedian who does live on the edge but someone was going to take a surreptitious video clip from their cell phone of me working on a new joke at a comedy club that I you know that I was just working out post it online out of context and That that would go viral and that would be the end of my comedy career. And I think what I've learned is that people aren't as vindictive people aren't like. Yeah, you've got rabid people who say like men are the enemy or whatever. I don't know. Some people are there's there's I think people that are extreme on either side. Yeah our are not helping but I'm hopeful yeah based on what has happened. Happened to me. Yeah that that things are not as hyper and hysterical as as I had thought they were have you ever been fired before from a job? Yeah, which jobs I was a bartender. Why'd you get fired? Like I went to the beach one weekend and I went body surfing and I got a concussion diving into a wave and I showed up to work the next day and I had no idea what was going on and I just kept fucking up orders like I was Putting in orders into the computer and like the wrong lunch was coming out and they were like, dude, you're literally the worst bartender we've ever had like you can't work here anymore so that I got fired for that. What else like this guy went to Harvard and you can't even put in a menu items. I know it was embarrassing I what else did I get fired from? I've been fired a few times. It hurt your ego. No because all the jobs I was fired from were jobs that I knew weren't right for me and it was sort of a process of elimination like the world was eliminating me towards what I should be doing. I like to say the universe like there's a path for you and you could take any path, but the universe will keep kicking you back into the right place. If you go the wrong way. Yeah, do you think that right now? Is where you're meant to be. Um, yeah, I think so. I think I'm hoping that I can say that like the best thing that ever happened to me was that I got hired by Barstool and then the second best thing that ever happened me was that I got fired by bars. That's exactly how I feel about batches because the first the best thing that ever happened was me getting hired from batches, right and I don't think I would have had the balls or like known that I needed to leave. Yeah. Yeah, I don't Don't think I would have ever left Barstool and I and I don't know that that that I was like a great fit there. As I said, I'm a very like a very sensitive person. I think the audience was really hard for me. A lot of people. I was a polarizing person. There you go ahead. I had a lot of really good fans people who love what I did and that a lot of like a lot of my humor played upon my the fact that I went to Harvard and and that I you know, I come from a good family and played lacrosse and like had a lot of things going for me. Like sometimes people would be like, fuck you you Silver Spoon bitch, like why don't you just run back to His money, do you have any idea right now? Like you woke up this morning. You came to this podcast. But like what are you gonna do after that Hannah? I'm going to start a podcast. Are you going to absolutely I'm excited me to please stay tuned. Do you have any idea I do I think I don't know what I'm going to call it yet. But in the next couple weeks, I'm going to start a podcast what's cool about being an entrepreneur and like stand-up is being an entrepreneur your own brand is that you don't have to like Have someone above you telling you and it's scary sometimes but whether it's good or bad whether it's okay or not. You don't have someone that could just fire you at any second. But then again they say the two most addicting things in the world are heroin and a monthly salary. Mmm. So like you've lost that Comfort. Yeah, but you've also gained a lot of freedom. Has anyone given you advice for how to wrap up the situation because this is very fresh. You've you give a great apology, you know, you fucked up right you Oh that it was bad article that you probably regret. Is there anything else that you want to do to wrap up this or just kind of see what the Press is doing is I'm going to helping you in this process. Yeah, you know, I've got the PR department at my agency. Okay? Yeah kind of yeah, they didn't really look I came up with that statement on my own. I knew what I had this I knew what I wanted to say. Yeah, and I said it and I felt it. I realized I know what I fucked up. I know that. Barstow had to fire me. I have no resentment towards them. I've only gratitude and I am excited now to kind of start over and build things. Okay, and I'm also very happy that the whole time I was there. I continued doing stand-up, you know, five to ten sets a week. Like I've always been a comedian. That was my heartbeat my pulse and I never thought well, I've got this now so I can step away from the stage. And so I'm still in good shape and I just had this special come out. I'm already writing new material. I'm excited about it now have a wealth of topics that I can mine for jokes, and I'm excited to wrap this up. We're going to end with the seven deadly sins. Seven deadly sins. What do you greedy about Grady about followers? Really? I love it. When I get a lot of Instagram followers. Does it piss you off when like color daddy girls come and they just blow the fuck up and all week. I don't resent the success of other people. Okay, good. Yeah. Do you feel less worthy when your Instagram doesn't get a lot of likes. One photo. No, not really. I also know kind of what we'll do. Well and what want I know what my sweet spot is. Do you care about your like I have strategy calm down. Do you care about how many followers the girl you date has like would you rather date a girl with a ton or none? That's a great question. Thank you the the right answer to this question is that it doesn't matter. I want the right answer. What are you bullshitting me about? I want your answer because it does in this is that it does matter it says some people that you're using because the thing ready you have a ton of followers. Yeah, but it would if we were to date it wouldn't it wouldn't affect me because my ear relationship with your followers, like some people their followers are like their Obsession to me. It's more it's more like how much does it Define you exactly and you're like, you're goofy on social media and you're not and I don't know but Get the sense that you don't think you're better than people because you have so many. Oh no. Oh God. No, right and I've met people that do and that is something that would turn. Yeah. I don't like the vanity of it. Like if you're like, I'm the shit because I have this many followers. But if you're like, I worked my ass off to like influence people and have really funny content and be creative and I love that to share my voice. That's cool. Yeah, if you're going to look down on people because your ass looks good. Good after facetune and guys follow you I have time for that shit, right? So talk about your ass. Oh, thank you. I have a terrible ass. It's just a hereditary thing my poor family like so flat asked as a guy it's not that big of a deal but my God the women in my family. I feel so bad. Do you prefer a sore boobs probably ass. How old are you 30? Yeah, it's generational. I feel like guys were older like boobs because they grew up in like Pam Anderson, like like mid-80s born. They like that stuff or like you guys were more like JLo, huh? This is my theories. It's hard to say male psyche. I also think but Sage better than breasts. Hmm. Good point. Yeah sometimes yeah not always. Who are you envious of? Oh, I'm envious of comedians. I see that are seemingly able to just come up with new material and jokes. Very quickly. I have no idea where my next joke is coming from my next good joke, and I can't make it happen. And so qu you can't force a joke. Sometimes they come in waves and sometimes I have droughts and I have no idea how to really hone that process or how to like encourage the flow more. That's a great answer. I tweet a lot and people are always like what's the deal with your tweets? I've never once that down and been like I have to tweet it either comes to Or a dozen and sometimes I do I'll have like 15 in a row and then I wont tweet for a month, right the best advice. I've heard from comedian friends is like just live like instead of just sitting home and thinking like go out and do something great and observe and The More You observe in the more you're like stories will come and just keep this comes with depression to like if you're stuck in your own head go out and live go out and talk to people and you that's all the like creativity and inspiration you need it's kind of just living right? And also when you have a goal to come up with a joke then like your brain kind of manifests like to look at things in a certain way, right? What do you gluttonous about? I'm gonna give you a fucking boring answer. I have a sweet tooth. And I especially when I smoke marijuana should I do almost every night you do to help you right? No, I'm not blur like I'm an artist. No, I can't I can't I can't do anything. Hi other than just like veg out and eat. What's your Suite of choice? Don't give me raspberries. All right. So let me tell you something. That's the boring had a burner. I'll tell you that some simple things maienschein aye by fruit in ridiculous quantity expensive. Well, you know, I'm sorry to hear that for you. I mean, you know talk to your dad. I think you're making these jokes now without any income. I know right? I'm gonna be fine. Now, you've Instagram you'll start doing like 15 stuff to make some money want sponsored posts. Yeah, I buy all this fruit and I get rid of all the bad shit in my apartment because I know that when I'm high, I have no control and I will eat like four or five containers of Of sliced mango, which is still so much sugar kind of sugar but it's natural sugar. So like care about your Being Fit. Yeah, why your vein? Well, there's two reasons one one. Is that for me? I have to exercise because it helps me sleep. And yeah, if I don't exercise during the day, I just kind of go crazy and I feel like a dog that needs to be run like, I'm just jittery. Yes, and I've always been that way even as a child. I was way worse. I just imagine you just bouncing around the house. Like oh damn it. He needs to go for a jog, but then I also have you know, I care about my body and how I look good. No, I can admit that but I never I never post like shirtless picture. Just you know, what's fascinating is because so many guy comedians don't work out right because I think they'll of self-hate and like working out. It is self-love and I think they just loved hating themselves. Yeah that and also it's much more relatable to be a piece of shit. Like if you're on stage. It's It's funnier if your body sucks and you have jokes about that. Yes, it's true. Yeah, when is the last time you experienced extreme wrath so anger? Oh good question Thursday. Maybe I don't know. It's Thursday when the article came out it was the day before I had a I don't know about man. I wasn't that mad. I got in trouble on Tuesday to for not dressing up for this award show. That was a sponsored thing. We did the company and my boss reamed me out. What did you wear just a T-shirt and jeans I wasn't really aware that we were like I kind of missed the boat on that miss the email. Yeah, and and then he also was like, you know, you're special. He said this like live in front of our audience seems like your special only Only got 70 people to sign up for Barstool gold, you know, you could have spent the money we spent on your special buying a suit to wear tonight. Damn. Damn. They go hard. Oh, yeah and tear emotions. He tries to like, yeah, that's I mean that's part of the show. Yeah Turtle. When was the last time you were a sloth like a lazy person like a lazy piece of shit. But cute. Yeah, I'm free. I don't I don't know. Oh see you're always hyped up. It's been years since I left off me. I only have one cup in the morning. It's been years since I like was a piece of shit a long time. Give yourself a like a day off to just like cuddle with your girlfriend and watch Netflix. Yeah, occasionally. Yeah sure, but I don't know about like I feel like I need that every once in a while. Yeah, because we run around some well the toughest thing with being on Venereal is you're the one that has to tell yourself to take a break. Uh-huh. No, you feel the subconscious pressure that you're like, right. You're always a little behind right? Yeah is planting a seed in your head. I like it. Okay, good, no grow into a beautiful flower one day. So um, when was the last time you let your pride get in the way of something. This is a tough one. Oh, they know that's that's actually a very fair question you're saying so when did I put my pride aside? Or when was did my pride get in the way? Was that your question either or? Well, I think with all of this I've had to put my pride aside and and I'm not able to say like, you know. Something I don't know. I mean, I mean, yeah, you want to be able to defend yourself in a way, but you also have to admit like that you made a mistake right? But it doesn't make you a bad person right, but you made your human right? Well, so so I've been I would read a couple of the Tweet responses and some someone was like Goose lets, you know, when someone says you slut-shamed a dead girl, and I want to be like, well, first of all, I didn't slut shame her and second of all I thought she was alive. Nobody wants to hear that. Yeah. Nobody wants to hear my side. Steering, so I have to just brush it off and block that person. Are you do you look at the comments? Like have you been reading articles and look at the comment? Um a little bit I've I've stayed away from like the bar so audience and I've just mostly seen a little bit of the response on Twitter to gauge. You know, how fucked him Marshal audience is primarily not in your side. No, I think I think they are. I mean, I think people thought that I was a good employee there. R I think people liked me there the majority Last one great. When was the last time you lost it over someone? Hmm? I am I supposed to like am I supposed to like give some politic answer about like my girlfriend? I like lusted for her. They like I watched this movie last night and this girl was hot or oh this this guy work with a bar stool would make out with cause he's cute. Uh-huh. Yeah, right. Yeah, I think Ali like damn when I my girlfriend when I was crying about Barstow my girlfriend looks so hot when she was wipe away my tears. I don't know. Yeah. Hmm, I guess the answer is your celebrity crush celebrity crush IPC about Natalie Portman. I've always had a huge crush on. Yeah. I like her. She's very smart and cool. She is she went to Harvard? Interesting, you know that no, she was shooting the Star Wars movies while she's at Harvard. Yeah. It's very cool had me. So to wrap this whole thing up. This is a different podcast than I thought it would be when I originally hit you up. Hmm. We got pretty serious. We got pretty dark and you know, you got fired three four days ago. Yeah, I would argue that you're in a tough or place then you have been the past. What advice would you give? Have two people because there's people listening that are also going through tough times. Yeah. What advice would you give to people on how to cope with their hell? Yeah grave quite. Yeah, it's great. I think when really life-changing things happen to you. You don't need to rush to find the silver lining you can sort of Process at your own pace and it's not necessarily like wallowing it took me two or three days to like figure out how to remain how to get back to being in the moment and being present and understanding where I was getting out of your own head. Yeah, and the most important thing you can do is rely on your friends and the people your family and the people You love and trust that you know, they're not going to abandon you in these bad moments and that you can still Forge ahead. This all sounds like very no I don't like you what you're saying though. Yeah, but you know, I thought my world was over and then and then I and then it wasn't you know, and it's not and and now I went from being destroyed too excited in three days and it and it took me three days to get there and some people will take a lot longer right but there's usually a chance to find a way to get it back to and also you get a little people are scared of like God forbid this happens. God forbid that happens. God forbid they do happen. Trust that it's going to be. Okay, right. I want to thank you so much for coming on Anna. This is my this was so fun. This is so funny. Good. Yeah Francis. I'm excited to see what you do in the future. I'm excited to see how you learned from your past and looking out for a new podcast probably in the future. Yeah, where can people follow you people can follow me on Twitter at Francis CLS Instagram at Francis see CLS, which was just a typo that were not going to be able to And is absolutely on Instagram nightmare for me on Instagram. Yeah. Damn, so I switched it from Francis Barstool on Friday. Yeah, and I'm verified so they had to like reach out to Instagram to help me do it and they submitted the wrong name, but that's okay. Do you think they did on purpose? No skinny. And what I may have to do is I may have to switch my Twitter to Francis CC Ellis, but I just don't even like what the fuck why are there to seize my middle name is course, and I don't know why. Why my OCD is like freaking out right now, and I'm not even have OCD, but thank you so much for coming on and if you guys are enjoying burning in hell. I have a Facebook group The Little Devils, and you know, if you enjoy this episode screenshot, tell me what you think put on Insta, and I'll talk to you guys later. Bye.

Francis Ellis was fired from Barstool right before he was supposed to come on the podcast. We decided to go ahead with the interview to discuss the article he wrote that got him fired, what went down on his last day at work, why he was always anxious about getting fired, at 20 minutes he reads the controversial blog post that got him fired, at 24 minutes he reveals his barstool crush, he discusses cancel culture, how he started with barstool, why he enjoys playing sports with girls, how he’s attractive for a red head, how he feels about summer house, his deepest insecurity, why he’s so sensitive, all the jobs he’s been fired from, why he thinks he wasn’t a great fit for barstool, how to come up with new creative jokes, he admits he’s vain, and discusses where he goes from here. Follow Hannah Berner on Instagram & Twitter: @beingbernz --- This episode is sponsored by · Oops Podcast: The Oops podcast examines the mistakes that change the trajectory of people’s lives: the bad decisions, the aftermath, the path to redemption and all things in between.

Welcome to haken in Animal Crossing podcast your podcast dedicated to all things Animal Crossing episode. 114 is brought to you by Fraser Connell one of our newest patreon patrons today Sergio and I are joined by Peter Embassy multimedia editor for Loop pots and host of podcast will be getting to know his history with Animal Crossing his thoughts on New Horizons. And of course Course answering the most recent 100 day countdown to New Horizons questions. So to begin. Hello Sergio. How you doing? Hi Chuy. I'm doing pretty great. It's been a really good week, huh? What about yourself? I'm doing great and then Pete nice to see you. Nice to meet you. Hey, thanks for having me guys. Yeah, we're excited to have you. I'm I've been a listener of podcast for a long time. And yeah, I really enjoy your show and all the things that you do over at loot spot Loop pots. Thanks so much, man. Yeah. You're a real. Remember the Discord it's always great hearing from you. And I'm glad that we could finally make this happen. Yeah, yeah always excited to talk about Animal Crossing and we don't get to talk about it nearly as much as I'd like to on the podcast. So yeah, I'm so ready to get into the nitty-gritty with you too. Yeah. I'm waiting for you and Steve did really just like go all out Animal Crossing pretty soon. I'm sure that's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah, I mean once I once March rolls around I think that's all we're going to be talking about for quite some time, but I very much looking forward to it. It yeah, what what I love about the game is just like, you know, it's a daily type of game you play it for a long time. So it just keeps coming up in conversation once it's out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think one of the things that I am excited about New Horizons is that it looks like it's a little bit more than it kind of allows you to play for longer portions that I think we're probably used to but that was something I really really dug about about New Leaf was just playing it like on my lunch break. Work every day, you know like going out during the summer sitting outside in the sun playing a little bit little bit of Animal Crossing very very beautiful. Yeah, that'll be a lot of fun when it happened. So I guess before we get too far into this I actually wanted you to give us like a little bit of background about yourself all the things you do throughout the internet because I mean I listed a couple but I'm sure there's so much more out there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm all over the place on the web. So if you guys don't know me, I'm Pete and Bessie. I'm a content creator. Or you can find me at loud underscore Pete on Twitter and Instagram as Chu already called out. I am the multimedia editor over at Loop pots as well as the host of our weekly Nintendo podcast the podcast where we talk about what we've been playing we talk about the news, you know, all kinds of you know the stuff you generally get on a Nintendo fan podcast our site Lou pots.com. We do news and reviews. We you might have actually seen our name recently because we broke the story about Bioshock coming too. Tendo switch that ended up getting picked up by like every games that let out there which was pretty crazy. We were thankful that this servers didn't blow up that day and but beyond that I'm also the host of a weekly comic book podcast called the comics Pals. I also make a little bit of music. You can go check out my band keep the money. It's at keep the money PA on Twitter and Instagram and I also I'm all over the place doing stuff. So the easiest way to keep up with me and check out some of the stuff I'm doing is too. Just go follow me on Twitter. I'm always plugging what I'm doing over there. Yeah, and you know what, I'd forgotten about the music thing, but then I remembered we talked about this before and I kind of told you about my plans to eventually start a Ska band called Scott Pilgrim. Yes, and II am such a such a supporter of that idea. Everyone should go start a scab and yes, especially one called Scott Pilgrim. Yeah, that makes it even better. Yeah, well, that's a lot of cool stuff. So I guess I did want to know kind of like what does a multimedia editor for Loop pots do like what does that entail? So I'm basically the creative lead for all of our multimedia content. So like I along with Steve was the creator of the pots cast and obviously I host that show and put it together. I also spearheaded the creation of our patreon exclusive show after dark, which if you go and support us over the five dollar level you get access to that show and it's like a A off-topic kind of you know just nonsense talking about what's going on in our lives talking about, you know pixel and I just recently did a review of Netflix's The Witcher, you know, sometimes I'll pull DJ who's the editor of the pots cast on the show and just like ask him questions from dating websites and it's like goofy stuff like that and I edit some portion of our YouTube videos as well as like kind of help some of the other contributors get their ideas off the ground. Like Max who is one of the you know, the the people over in the loop hot steam. He his most recent video was something that I collaborated with him on and did about you know, I edited the whole thing. I helped him kind of like turn his feature script into actual video product that we could get up on YouTube, which was a ton of fun. The only thing in that realm that I don't really like have my hands on is when pixel goes away for like two weeks and makes one of his crazy 45-minute and Analysis videos. That's all him I can I can't take any credit for that. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen the Zelda ones and all of the like Pokemon ones, right and they're pretty cool. But yeah speaking of Pokemon. I know you also did you do some reviews as well? You reviewed recently Pokemon sword and shield did and I've got to tell you Sergio is obsessed with these games. It's always great to meet a fellow Pokemon Master. Yeah, I Mmm, I've always been a big Pokemon fan. I take them pretty slow these days now because I'm like, you know, I've been playing Pokemon my whole life. So it's not something that I need to down all in one sitting but it's definitely something that I'm like, you know, I take it at my own pace. I'm finally at the at the league. So I've got an eight badges. I'm sitting outside. Just waiting to beat it now, very nice. Yeah. I am. I'm a big fan of like competitive Pokemon. I don't know if you do that at all Sergio, but That's like really where I live and I so I I've been really lazy though. Like I was so excited to get into the metagame for for gen8 here. And I you know, I got I got my 6 IV International ditto. I'm all ready for breeding and everything and then I was just like, you know, I'm gonna go play God of War like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go do something else and I don't know I've been I've been lazy about getting in there and doing the nitty-gritty but I've just been playing a little bit of Pokemon Showdown, which is this browser-based. Pokemon battle simulator that a lot of competitive people used to like test out their teams. So I'm still I'm still there. I'm still playing Pokemon. I'm still like getting my head around who I want to throw on my actual team and put in the work for but yeah, I've definitely been slacking a little bit and I think yeah, let's go. So, where are you in the Pokemon craves right now Sergio? Well, honestly right now I'm just waiting for the DLC. I completed the living Dex. I don't do much competitive, but this was my first time. I'm going for a living the exit. It was a journey actually my first playthrough of Sword. I only play with one score bunny. I didn't let him evolve. It was it was it was a nice challenge. I love the journey. Yeah. I'm cool. So we actually wanted to get a little bit of your background Pete on Animal Crossing. So this night like when did you first start playing Animal Crossing? So I started with the original Animal Crossing? Well, not technically the original I see. Because this is a real fan podcast. I know you guys have all that Animal Farm but I started with Animal Crossing on the GameCube when it first came to the states. So I must have been what year did Animal Crossing come out. I think it was 2002 2002. Yeah, right. I think I think is accurate. So I must have been I was born in 1992. So I was 10 when I came out and I remember like going grabbing the box that came with the special memory. Card that had the Rover sticker on it and everything because it took up an entire memory cards worth of data. That's your town. And I remember that like blew my mind and yeah it that really was my my first entry point and I immediately got sucked into it from there and I've been I've been a fan since although I did kind of take a break during the city Folk Erica's man. I didn't like that game. Oh, yeah, we'll probably have to talk about that pretty To so I guess like when you first played what was it that got you hooked onto the game. I think one of the things that I always really appeal to me about games in general when I was a kid was a little bit of wish fulfillment and kind of giving giving me a sense of like agency and power, you know, so in Animal Crossing obviously that's not like physical power anything like that but having the ability Leti to be like oh like this is my house and I'm going to decide what it looks like and what's going to be here and how I'm going to spend my time and you know, I can work to get this money to spend it. However, I want and those are all things when your kid that feel super novel and super, you know, like again like give you the sense of power like, oh I have the agency in this world, you know, and and doing it in a way that was, you know, not focus on combat or something like that was Different than most games I had played before I don't recall if I had tried Harvest Moon yet at that point. So it might have been the first time that I ever played a game that really had that kind of where it was still gamified where there were so goals for you to achieve but they weren't through, you know, just killing things or winning battles or whatever and that's right. Yeah. It was it fired a very different kind of neuron for me, you know, and and even then I knew that I liked that kind of game and I ended up checking. Checking out more stuff. Like like I said like Harvest Moon or The Sims or whatever that were more of those slice-of-life kind of kind of games or even like getting into like Sim games and stuff like that, you know, like like City Sims and and more, you know, spreadsheet e kind of games like that like Animal Crossing was a huge Gateway for for stuff like that for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's really awesome. And that's it. Like, you know, you're 10 years old. That's a really good age to start to feel that too because I feel like that's the point where you're starting to And there's like this thing called responsibilities. My parents are trying to prepare you because they're like, oh man this kids going to be a teenager and they are doomed right and yeah, I feel like that was probably around when I first started having like an allowance and stuff like that and like had you know, like I was had a concept of money and it was like, oh like wouldn't it be great if I could just run errands or whatever and have as much money as I wanted. Yeah. Yeah, and I do really like that about the game where it's just like like, you know, it presents you these, you know menial tasks throughout the day that you can do and then you start to learn that that earns you these bells and those bells can be traded and it really just helps your understanding of like, oh, here's how like just basic economics tends to work like you get something and you can trade that thing for another something that you may want a little bit more, you know, and it taught me the value of the gig economy, you know, which unfortunately I feel like America took a little You seriously? But okay, we've taken it too far. Now. We've got side hustles during our side hustles for sure. So I guess you now that we know that you've started essentially from the beginning. What is your favorite animal crossing game so far? I still think it's the original because I think that in a lot of ways there's a lot of innovation. And that's come with some of the new iterations but I miss some of the more like nitty-gritty stuff that was in the original. Like II don't love as much how they've kind of like gotten away from some of the regional holidays in favor of stuff that they don't need localized as much, you know, and I think those those were events that made I think especially at the time right in 2002 that made the world of Animal Crossing feel so alive was that Like there was a reason to play it on Christmas morning, even if it wasn't a new game that there is a reason to go play it around Halloween and and have all these different experiences and in some ways some of those things have survived. But I also think that like some of that has kind of gotten rounded out a bit in favor of you know, making something that's a little bit more globally friendly, you know, and that's like right saves them a little bit of time and energy. I think when it comes to making it work region to region and I totally respect the design Choice behind that but I do miss that kind of like deep connection to the calendar that it felt like it used to have. Yeah. Yeah for sure because I mean like wild world pretty much let go of like all of those different types of holidays and then replace them with like Animal Crossing specific ones Ryan, which I think you know to some extent I think. Is still cool and everything and I do like them sticking around but definitely getting that balance between here's this just like quirky world of Animal Crossing and something that only exists here and then here's something that just matches up with your real life too. And I feel like those connect you both to the game and also to just your personal life when you're playing the game. Absolutely. Yeah, and and it's not as though the difference of those things. Makes the game like worse or something like that and as super measurable way, but it is it is a little flavor that I think I missed quite a bit Yeah. So I guess my next question is have you played any of the spin-off games? I have not. I don't know. I guess do you count Pocket Campus been off because then I played that I guess yeah, I bet I'd say so yeah, I never touched happy home designer or amiibo Festival. I just didn't really have much. Interest in either of them, you know, like I didn't want to get in on the cards and I just didn't you know, I was kind of like, you know, like I like Animal Crossing but I like Animal Crossing not as much I want to play games that feature Animal Crossing characters, you know what I mean? Mmm. Yeah, I get that. So I guess based on your experience with pocket camp. Like how did you feel about that game? I really liked pocket camp for what it was. I think my biggest problem with it was I felt Out like when I first started playing it felt like there was a ton to do and eventually I just it was kind of like I hit a wall where I know that they've added stuff since I stopped playing but by that point I'm kind of already out, you know, and there was never really a reason for me to go back to it. So I just you know, I never really I enjoyed it while I enjoyed it and then I don't really think about it anymore. So I don't feel like that's the most successful thing that it could be but But I also feel like for what it was aiming to do as like kind of mobile of flying the Animal Crossing formula. I think it did do a good job and I definitely enjoyed it for what it was while I was into it while I wanted like something to tide me over for more actual Animal Crossing. Unfortunately that way it ended up being quite a bit longer. So I've just been struggling. Yeah we us to but yeah. No, I think you're capturing a Exactly what I like tell people when they're asking about pocket Camp because you know, there's a bunch of people who are like mobile gaming isn't for everybody. I've recently tried to be more active playing like Nintendo's mobile games. Like I've been keeping up with Mario Kart tour. I log into Fire Emblem Heroes a lot more and pocket Camp. I've kind of kept up with from the beginning but what I tell people about pocket Camp is like, you know when it started out it was pretty Bare Bones. Bones, I'd say now there's a lot more to it. And so I'm like if you're starting pocket Camp right now, I really think you're going to get a lot of game out of it in the next few months. If you're wanting to wait for like New Horizons, you know, because it's like it's packed with things but if you've played from the beginning like me, there's really just not too much there anymore. But but yeah. No, I think anybody who hasn't started the game like definitely try it out because there's a lot A lot to do there. There's a lot more than you'd expect writing from other mobile games, I think. Cool, so I guess just some real quick general questions. I'm sure you know what there's one not on here that I think Sergio will want to ask a little bit later, but we'll get to that but who is your favorite special character? And I guess the ones that we consider special characters that kind of like the Tom Nook sand Isabelle's of the world for me. It's got to be KK Slider. Yes, he is just he is so on unbelievably cool and I remember from the first time I saw him. I was like, well, he's just this cool dog who rolls into town every week and plays guitar for everybody and then he becomes a DJ like yeah. Absolutely. Are you kidding me? He's the voice of Our Generation. Yeah, and then Sergio, I feel like you have a question based on cake a slider that I forgot to put on here. Yeah, definitely. So what is your favorite cake a slider song? Oh, um, I don't know. I don't know that I have a favorite like I think my mind goes to like a cage as probably hmm. But I there's so many good ones, you know. Yeah, I know for what I used to do in at least the original like where you have the tape deck like I would I had like two or three that I would kind of switch between but I think that's probably oh nice. I think that's yeah. I'll go with that cool that I love that you mentioned KK Jazz because I've talked about that song a lot where I've had a love-hate relationship with like the intro to take it to KK Jazz, but then I just love the rest of the song so much but even now like I'm leaning toward I like the intro to that one and it just the whole song. It's like it's like actual Jazz where it's like you listen to it for the first time and you're like, I don't know about this, but then eventually you're like, oh, no, you know what I get it. It I get it. Yeah, it's like a fine cheese, you know. Yeah, I've gone through those emotions with that for sure so follow up to favorite special character, who is your favorite villager, so I thought about this one a lot and I think I'm gonna go with Bob Bob was always a favorite of mine. He's in every game which helps so I yeah he I definitely like a lot of the like lazy like laid-back goofball characters and I feel like he's like the poster child, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's got it all he's got that nice purple color and then cats like cats are themselves pretty lazy. They sleep a lot. Yeah throughout the day so I'm a cat dad IRL. So I definitely have a bit of a kitty bias there too, but it's funny too because he in he's been in every town. I've ever had. Oh, wow. I think that definitely helps put him over like in my first town. He you know, I had he was in the quadrant directly south of my you know, my little for house neighborhood thing, right? So yeah, and then like every other game I've played he's been in my neighborhood and if he wasn't there in the original role he's moved there and I'm always just like oh, yes my boy Bob. Yeah, it's crazy how that like happens to people like they're For four hundred characters that could like pop up in your game and you know, just like the same one manages to make it to your town. It's insane. Yeah, like I him Olivia is one that I always feel like I end up getting she was in my first neighborhood as well and like Ed like there's just all yeah, like I feel like I always end up Kiki's another one. Like I feel like I get a lot. Hmm, you get a lot of cats. It's yeah, man, they just they're drawn to me. You know? Yeah, I like them cats are fun. Sergio likes dogs. Yeah, just I've pretty well in real in real life. I don't consider myself by petzl, you know, like they're all you know, they're all good. You know, I think they both bring very different things to the table. It's just right now I happen to have two cats and no dogs. So, you know, that's just that's just what happened to be right now. Yeah every once in a while we do. A little bit of trivia here and I like to ask I put Sergio on the spot every time and ask him to name as many cats as possible and it's fun to see him struggle cool. So let's actually move into talking about New Horizons because obviously it's going to be a huge game. It's essentially the only game that's remaining for March at this point. What else is getting cancelled, but you know it's going to Carrie got we still got Doom. All right right today, but not on switch, you know? Yeah that one got delayed. But you know if people are going to play Doom they're probably not going to choose the switch to play it. So not the biggest deal but you know, I think I'll probably pick up both that day. And when I finally run out of chores or running animal crossing I'm like, all right. Well, then we'll kill some demons. Yeah. Yeah, what's hilarious about that is like I have a friend. He was the first guest that I had on the show. Funny enough like doom and Animal Crossing are his two favorite games. So that's what it is. Hey, what a day for this man. Yeah. That is he's been looking forward to March 20th for so long now, that's fantastic. Yeah, so I guess like when you saw New Horizons the first time like what were your initial impressions of it? Like what did you think of the game when you saw it? I was pretty blown away. You know, I think obviously Animal Crossing has a a very distinct visual style and you know, there's only like so much they can do to kind of iterate on that without changing the look but I think that this feels like such a it feels like such a step up graphically because we're so used to the 3DS Graphics which are terrible, you know, but in comparison to the switch anyway, so II was definitely visually Blown Away by it and I really like the setting I think the The tropical island is like a really fun idea because you know, I always kind of associate Animal Crossing with like summer for some reason. I think that was when I played it the most when I was younger because you know, you got plenty of time off from school. So I was playing them. So yeah, I'm gonna play Animal Crossing for like an hour every day because I can and I so II like that setting quite a bit but I think the all of the new stuff that they're adding like the crafting and all these things that seem like they're going to kind of knock down some of the walls that I feel like have always existed in Animal Crossing where there's nothing worse than the first time you play an animal crossing game in my opinion because you play it and you're so excited and then you run out of things to do in a few hours and you're like no like have to wait till tomorrow and the fact that there's all of these, you know new systems at play that will let you kind of build things on your own and you know have a little bit more control over over what you're doing like Into moment hour to hour I think that's really going to enhance the experience of the game and allow you to get even more out of it than we used to. Yeah, and you know, what's funny about that is to like it kind of fixes that barrier that barrier to entry with the game because I feel like more and more I've seen people who essentially say like, they tried Animal Crossing once and they just didn't get it, you know, and it's hard to really capture that this Is a game that you play over several months, you know, it's something that grows with you as you play it and when you enter that first day and you're able to do basically nothing it's it's that it's that point in the game that just like you're either you get it or you're just like I don't see what the hubbub is about this thing. Like what am I supposed to do? But yeah, like the crafting definitely goes toward that where it's just like here is This really big main mechanic that's going to follow you throughout the game and essentially like throws you exactly what you're supposed to do right from the beginning. Whereas like, you know paying off this really huge loan right from the get-go. You're like what how am I supposed to earn money? There's only one tool in this thing and it's a shovel right? And now I have to send these fossils off to this other Museum to get and it's gonna take days to do this. What so yeah. No, I feel like it definitely speeds up the ability to get into it, you know and start actually playing right exactly and not kind of be hit a roadblock because of randomization in those first few hours and be like, okay cool. I'm stuck because that's how I remember the first time I played the game. I ended up like looking up a guide. Like I went to like cheat cc.com or something like that or whatever. It was back when I was 10 years old and was looking up like, okay, like, how do I get it? Like shovel or how do I get a thing and it's like, oh you have to go to the shop every day and it's like so I have to wait a week to get all these tools like so I went and changed the hours on my GameCube clock got and and reset it until I had every tool and then went back to the actual date and was like, okay cool. I can actually play now like so the fact that you'll be able to at least get started right away and start like building out your character and you know kind of at least like setting a foundation for yourself. In those first few hours, it's something I think will allow you to feel like you're being productive a lot quicker and get to the parts that are van. Yeah. Yeah, definitely and you know, I feel like over time the team has definitely taken that into account too. So this whole system seems based around just removing those roadblocks kind of I guess embarrassing roadblock for me because these things just get in the way of some games in general. So like I'm trying to figure out like, what are some Warnings to get into games because I'll tell you Metroid is actually like a big gap for me because I tried to play Metroid Prime back in the day, but I did not understand the concept of like metroidvania as where you're like, you're going to hit a wall and you're going to have to go back to some other area and find some things before you can pass through that wall. So to this day like I hit some wall way back in the day and Metroid Prime the first one and then I never played it again. Yep. And I'm just like and I'm like, they're people missing out on games because there's just like the stuff that they don't know about these things and I feel like Animal Crossing maybe has that roadblock for people and I'm also want to just go back and play Metroid now and finally experience that you know, yeah, and it definitely seems like they are trying to optimize the first few hours of the game so that people can get to the meat quicker and understand. What what is it that makes this appealing to other people? Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, because I mean I remember my mom would watch me play video games sometimes and I was really surprised because she'd watch me like play these really bloody Fighters and be cheering me on and then she see me playing like Animal Crossing me. She's like, I just really don't understand what's going on here. Like why? Why is this fun? I remember I remember my dad saying that to me two, or he's like, why would you want to play this like game? This is just doing things you can do. In real life and it's like well, I can't now as an adult. It's just like oh man, it's just lets me get away from it. You know like yeah it lets you it gives you the Escape of like, oh you can get out of crushing debt and actually own a home, right? It gives you yeah, it lets you live out your dreams now the millennial escapism simulator exactly cool. So kind of based on your initial Impressions, and I wanted to ask like What are you most excited about with this game? Definitely the crafting? I think that's the thing that sounds the most fundamental that's like really like changing things in a meaningful way because I think going into New Horizons. I had the question of kind of like, what do we do from here? You know, like now that we've done the mayor thing. Like, how do you how do you up the ante again? And it seems like this is a really really smart way to do that and I like that not only do I have the ability. T2 like kind of craft right from the beginning that like you can kind of fundamentally affect the layout of the island. It seems like from the beginning and I like the idea of having a little bit of like a almost like City Sim kind of feeling to what's going on and I think the whole crafting system feels like it's at the core of that. Yeah, yeah, definitely and I think funny enough like this. I've seen this be a very resistant feature from a lot of the fanbase like going into it people were just like man, I really hope they don't add crafting or you know, that kind of thing, but I don't know for me. I'm just like, you know what I've played every animal crossing game. I know kind of how it goes. I know the beats the steps that they all take but I was in the same boat as you Where I was like, what are they going to do? That's different and changes these things up and kind of expands on like what's already there in a way that is good, you know, right and I think in general I don't like crafting in most games, but this is the kind of game where you want it. I think yeah, I guess why would you say that because the whole point of Animal Crossing is to to amass manage and utilize resources, you know, and I think giving you the ability to have more control over like like if you want to really build out like a specific furniture set the way you set out to do that was to like hope that somebody offered it to you in order that it showed up in the shop right and giving you the ability to be like, well I want this I can go and put in some work and create it myself like that that Is I think a good move for Animal Crossing because yeah thing is about giving you that ability to like express yourself through your house and your town or your island or whatever, you know, and I think it feels like it's building on a fundamental aspect of Animal Crossing rather than certain games where like you just for like the the sake of example, right? Like I mentioned earlier I'm playing through God of War right now and that game is about action. And and the crafting system is like very very very simple and like that's good because it accentuates it. Right it incentivizes you to like explore and find things that you can become a Little Bit Stronger but it's not like something where it's a game where I want to just keep moving and it keeps asking me to crack things or it gives me this option to craft things when I could way more easily just get high quality weapons through progressing the game or completing side quests or it doesn't feel like it's tactile. On it feels like it's taking something from the the fundamental DNA of Animal Crossing and being like, how do we improve on that? How do we or how do we build on that to make it actually have a new hook because we've done this four or five times already, you know, and what makes this the new one. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're definitely spot-on with like the previous kind of mechanic was really just like, oh go to bed wake up tomorrow. See if the store has what I want this time, you know. Right and go talk to everybody in the town once and then I'm done. Yeah, and then this system just seems like it makes you a more active role in The Collector aspect of the game which which now, you know, we always talk about what we've often talked about like how we describe Animal Crossing two people who just have no idea what it is. And now I kind of go in that direction of like, oh, it's this game where you move into a place and you collect a bunch of stuff. Because again people understand that as fun a lot more easier than just like, oh you're paying off your mortgage. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really about like moving somewhere and making it a home, you know? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. So follow up question, like we know you're excited about crafting. Is there anything that makes you worried about this game? Not particularly. I think that I think that what I've seen has made me confident and the fact that they delayed the game without really like making a fuss about it, you know just being like hey, we didn't want to Crunch we're taking our time. We're making sure that it's checking all the right boxes. Like that's all they really need to do. Like I don't think that the bar. Our first success here is very high and I don't mean that as like a dig but it's just like we only got an animal crossing game like every six years and you know, we're just excited by the idea of a new one. Let alone one that is seemingly innovating a lot. So as long as these systems that were excited about don't go belly-up. I'm confident that everything else that I like about Animal Crossing. I still want you know, so they don't need to do a lot here to make it knock it out to knock it out of the park and it seems like they're doing all the right things already. So I'm pretty confident. It's going to be a good game. I think my only real concern is my lifestyle and time has changed so much since the two times that I have been at Peak Interest in Animal Crossing, which was the original and with new leaf, and am I going to Have the time to sink into it that I want to yeah. Yeah, that's a good mention too. Because like I think often about like where I am now versus like when you leave came out where New Leaf came out like just as I was maybe finishing up College just before that I guess and now I'm just like, oh man, I work full time. I'm doing all of these side things all the time making podcasts and things like that and I I find that. I was really surprised looking at like my stats from Nintendo. I like that year review thing that I got to play like 40 hours a month. I was like man, it doesn't feel like I played a rush. I'm really surprised but that was like, you know the average and I was just like man, I feel how could I like I feel like I maybe play two hours a week if that you know, but yeah, it's a different. To be for the game. And you know, I also remember, you know, you talked about your partner on Loop pots every once in a while and I was wondering if she was also excited for Animal Crossing. Yeah. So yeah, my partner Sarah is a big gamer and I know that she has expressed a lot of interest in this Animal Crossing, but she's never played one before she definitely is into Slice of Life stuff to a certain degree. Anyway, like when I got her a switch the okay, so she has always kind of historically been a PC Gamer but I was kind of like when we first got together, I was trying to get her interested in the switch and she started playing breath of the wild. I think for the second or third time on my switch and was like, yeah, this is pretty cool. But like I just want to be using a mouse and keyboard whatever and we went on a vacation and I got her to start playing stardew Valley and I didn't realize what I was doing. When I did that like like with her so hard and she really got into it. And so I finally was like, all right, cool. I'm gonna get her her own switch for her birthday. And then since then she like that's where she plays most of her games now, you know, like she beat breath of the Wild on Master mode at wow, like immediately after beating it the first time she did to run through some fire emblem. Like she's playing The Witcher right now all kinds of stuff. So So like I know that she is in on the switch now and she has interest in it, but I am wondering if she's gonna bite on it because she definitely like is such a like gets in one game and plays it for a long time. I could see her getting into Animal Crossing like what like way later like, I don't know. She's gonna pick it up at lunch and get in on it with me or if she's going to come back to it like a year later and be like wow, this is great. Yeah. I'm hoping I can get her into it. I hope so too because it's like I I think about games like smashing ultimate and I'm just like man, I know people where this is their very first Super Smash Bros game that they've ever played. I'm just like to go into that type of entry into a game where it's just like this is the best it's ever been and I'm just I wish I could experience that like it was my first time. Yeah. Yeah for sure. It's funny because that was actually That's the first smash game that she really played. Like she's played some of the others like a little bit but we got you know, we got her into it into it when ultimate came out and got she got so good so quick like it started where it was like, oh, yeah. Wow, you're like really good for a new player. And then it's like Oh, no, you're better at this than me. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's really awesome to see people like just get to experience a game for the first time with all of these new games. I feel like yeah games are like one of those things. It's like, you know, you get like a movie sequel and you're like, you know, it wasn't as good as the first one but like games just like build on. What was there previously so well that I'm I don't get that feeling. I'm just like man, I love what you did here. It's so much better now. Yeah often anyway, like that's kind of the nice thing with games is a lot of times when you go into a sequel It's almost always learning from its predecessor in ways that translate to you getting a better and better experience, especially when Nintendo game Ames mhm. Yeah not always but usually yeah, so yeah, I guess I wanted to know how you felt about the news that we've gotten so far with New Horizons you feel like Nintendo is saying enough. Do you think feel like they've been too quiet about it so far? Um, So like selfishly I would like there to be more news, but I also I don't know what I'd this is kind of something. I've said about Animal Crossing for a while. I don't feel like Animal Crossing is a game that you handle the same way as as their other IP, you know because I I don't feel like it's a game that previews very well unless you already like it because how much can they show of you running around and talking to people and doing errands and doing any of that kind of stuff where it looks like. Oh, this is the thing like this is going to get get people in the door, you know, like it's not it's not a game that you mark it around like hype moments or something like that like you Market it around systems and I think looking at this game like there's That much that's new but what's new fundamentally changes the game and two people like us who are fans. It means a lot to the average person. It's like oh cool. They added crafting whatever. Hmm. So I think that the more of the game they show the more likely they are to kind of shoot themselves in the foot I think and like over show and then people like us who want to go in like and have surprises are going to have everything spoiled for them and it's not going to really do much for the marketing of the game. Because the people who like Animal Crossing or going to buy it and evangelize for it. Anyway. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah. No I get that for sure. And now I'm kind of thinking of like, oh man. I really got to look back and see how the previous Animal Crossing games were talking about and shown off by Nintendo. I know because I'm pretty used to getting very minimal news for Animal Crossing. I always talk about like new Leaf. I think it was like a three year period waiting for that game and we I it maybe five times in those three years which you know, you get games like smash which came out 2018 right the end of 2018. And so I think March it was shown the first time and we saw it like maybe five six times within that first year, you know. Yeah, and yeah and it keeps popping up like we keep getting like new Smash info we keep getting new. Ders and things and it's definitely a game you approached differently for different reasons. So I'm kind of wondering like now I just want to compare all of the other ones all of the other animal crossing games at least and see like what did they focus on? What were they telling people? You know? Yeah. I mean, I I'm trying to find some of the old ones and like I remember there being this one from for the original that like had this very like 90s kid and he like closes on a house and there's like a GameCube very front and center like it like it. I think it was just it was way focused on the kind of like goofy weirdness of it, you know. Yeah, I think Ali I think that's kind of the move to some degree, you know, it's like you don't want to you don't want to give too much. Yeah, and if anybody knows that kid from that commercial like I've put this call out because I wanted to talk to them in some get this kid on the show. Yes. So yeah somebody if you can track them down let them know that I've had cast and I want to talk to them to find the I am DP the IMDb page for that that that trailer some I really hope it exists cool. So I guess you know, we're at this point a little more than eight weeks away from the game. What are you playing while we wait for the next New Horizons come out? Oh, man. I can't wait. So like I said right now I am playing God of War which is I am as well as being a big Nintendo fan. I'm a big Sony fan. And God of War is one of the few Sony first part of See games I never really got around to finishing up. I started playing it when I first dropped but that was right around the time that my partner Sarah and I first started seeing each other and you know as anyone who's been in a new relationship can tell you that you you get distracted. So there wasn't there wasn't a ton of time for me to tend to my virtual son. And I just it was a game that I was really enjoying and I was kind of like I don't want to play for an hour at a time here. You know, I really want to wait until I have more time to dedicate to it. So now that there's kind of this quiet period between the end of 2019 and the absolute just hurricane of games coming to hit us in 2020 Animal Crossing, you know among them. You know, I was like cool now's a chance like here's an open moment. I did the same thing with Last of Us in the fall where I was like, oh there's a breath of fresh air cool. I'm gonna play a backlog game that I never got around. And to let's do it. Yeah, that's awesome. And yeah, I mean that's what it kind of what I recommend to people to. I'm just like there are so many games and I know we're like anxiously always waiting for something and you know, it makes us forget about like what's in the backlog what we haven't gotten around to so yeah, there's a lot of stuff out there to play. Yeah. I just have so many games to play right now like from some stuff that's like older stuff that I should have played. Now in sums just stuff that slip through the cracks from this year. So it's kind of like with all this news at all. These games are getting delayed. I'm like good good. Give me time. Give me some space. Give me some breathing room for these. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I'm essentially wait. I've got my list of three games that I'm like, these are the three. I'm focusing on until it comes out, but I'm just like finished Pokemon Luigi's Mansion 3 and funny enough Fire Emblem three houses. I'm all right. Oh nice. So you better get started. Well, no, I mean like I'm like halfway through about but then I got distracted Luigi's Mansion came out. I only spent like two weeks with that before Pokemon came out. And so now I'm just like these are the three games. I'm finishing before you had some to get to the the halfway point of the game will say I am just before that I would say, okay, so, you know what it is. I know there's going to be Sort of time. Skip but no I don't know is the thing like I'm somehow avoided that happen. But you know, you haven't spoke a cool, but you're not going to to there yet. Yeah. Yeah. Oh man, you got so much left. Yeah, and you know, I always tell myself like playing I don't have to go all out on these games and then I just end up doing it anyways, so all of my units are like way high level right now. I'm getting them. Um, I'm over-prepared. I feel absolutely you were were you golden deer? I went with black Eagles just I was really torn between Golden deer and black Eagles and then I ended up doing black Eagles and said I wanted to be an imperialist bootlicker. That's fine. I get it. Yeah, I mean why them? Yeah. Well, you know, like that's the one thing I really love about the game though to like when you start playing. Those different paths at least from what I've heard from like other people's experiences of the other houses and stuff. I'm like, oh man, there's really a lot. You don't know about the other houses before you play. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah and the the paths are surprisingly different Mmm Yeah. So that's the thing. I like about it because I've talked to a friend who like played blue Eagles first and he's like man, I hate or not blue eagles blue lions and he was like, man, I hate black. Eagles and I was like, I don't know why but I could I have a suspicion as to why you'll see you'll see. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm really excited to get through those and unfortunately, like if I don't before Animal Crossing comes out, like it's never gonna happen all other games are dead to me exactly so so yeah, that's that's what I've made my goals for now Sergio. Is there anything on your list? Before this game comes out, you know others than already to which I'm definitely playing right early March. I was actually also planning on playing Fire Emblem three houses Because of You Know by lifting the additional house they added unfortunately it / fortunately I recently pick up the Dragon Ball Z card game for Xbox Halo and it is amazing. I'm so afraid like it. Oh, yeah every part of it. It's a lot of fun like even just roaming around collecting stuff. So it could take a while. I think I'm just going to focus on this one guy was I like kind of forgot about that game and then all of a sudden everyone's talking about it. I was like no it's been quiet period indie games from last year to play disko Elysium. I bought outer world. I haven't even opened it yet. Yeah there they just keep throwing backgrounds. Good. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna kill me man. Yeah, you know what's funny to is. I thought this was going to be like 2019, you know, but everything got pushed kind of 2020 and I was just like, all right. I thought 2019 was going to be the best year but now 2020 that's where it is 20 is gearing up to make 2017 look like it was like average. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, and you know, we're all still like waiting for that next Nintendo Direct where they're possibly say saying breath of the wild to is this year? Who knows but I don't know and I hope so I do too but I'm also like I can wait ever since pixel for that out in the world. I'm just like, ah, it's probably gonna happen now, I don't want it to because cyberpunks coming out in September. So if they both come out at the same time, I'll literally die. Yeah. It's getting crazy people need to slow down with Fitz play games. There's like 10 psi. AAA games coming out in 2020 and PS 5 and the new Xbox and maybe maybe we finally get a switch Pro who knows? It's insane though. I think it's gonna be easy to spend like two grand on this year, you know, not even thinking about it. Yeah, it's just going to happen. And then later on you're going to be like my regret none of it. And that's why they were on vacation this year. I guess. Yeah, we need. It's that besides, you know, like the only place to go. This upcoming year is Japan for Nintendo World, right? And it's gonna be really packed anyway, so you might as well just play games and wait, I'm just gonna take oh a week off during like right after Animal Crossing comes out and be like, I'm going to a tropical island. Everyone knows there's no reception there. Don't talk to me. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know Sergio serious about that. He's already got his two-week vacation with upper and wow. We yep. Wow. Yeah, you know and it's funny because I forget I'm like, oh man my vacations coming up. Oh, no, but I never Crossing to why this is why you guys are the number one Animal Crossing podcast. That is dedication. Yeah, that's true. You gotta just stream it for like 12 hours a day for two weeks. Yeah. I'll be there Sergio watch them all very cool. So let's go ahead and move on to answer. During these 100 day countdown questions so back, I guess how many days ago was it now? We started counting down when we were a hundred days away from this game. And so every day we've had a new question and Sergio and I answer them here on the show. But today we're joined by P. Of course, so we'll go ahead and go through them together day 65 was create a new area to which you can travel and some of these are more geared toward drawing, but we have not drawn. He's in a while. I drew the first one for the first one of these questions but not since then but Pete what were you thinking for a new area to go to an animal crossing? I would love for them to bring back the like kind of Downtown City area that they had of city Folk but to put it in a good game. That would be my yeah, that's a good spot. I mean a lot of people really liked that City aspect and We're overall kind of underwhelmed by city Folk with it being like not too much of a game that pushes animal crossing any direction, you know, like it was very old. You're so annoying. Yeah. The point in Click is not for everybody to not good. Yeah, Martin was tired after playing for 20 minutes. Like I can't do this. You got to work out to play video games. What is this ring fit Adventure? Oh, yeah, I guess for me. I just came up with like a raw materials Island for New Horizons where you just go and pick up raw materials and make maybe make it a Dungeon Crawler to like make it a procedurally generated Island that changes. That's awesome. You know it. Yeah. My answer is actually one of your previous ideas to choose all credit to you on this one, but I like your idea for today as well, but I would want like a water park area that it's basically a water park in the summer. But in the winter, it becomes like a mountain resort with snow Sports and everything. Yeah. Yeah like that. That's a good one. Yeah, I like that. So date 64 the question was your favorite Rover transportation. And oh man, I just read everybody's answers but we're all the same here. We all put train because it's the only answer. Yeah train. Nobody wants to ride the bus. Yeah, have you ridden buses lately? I haven't rings are romantic. They sound cool buses there. Usually smelly and cramped. Yeah. Yeah and taxis. They're expensive. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Chloe's Rideshare. It's 20 20 people. That's right day. 63 the question was what is your favorite museum exhibit Pete at you followed my lead in I just ranked them. Yeah II was I saw you a done that so I was like, okay. I'm good. I'll rank them. So I would say number one is fossils to is bug 3 is fish for his art. I always liked the fossils a lot just because I've I think dinosaurs are cool. And again, I started playing this when I was 10, so, you know dinosaur fossils were a very very cool thing at the time and then you know the bugs I think that's always like the coolest live room. I think after that because I'm like, All the noise and some of them flying around and everything like it has a real it feels like very alive art is really the only one that it's just like this is this isn't worth having. Yeah, I guess for my order. I went bugs followed by fossils followed by fish followed by Art. And I mean, I like them all I think just like overall. I like the variety you get with the bug displays, you know, and then the All's I like it mostly because like it's the first thing you fill up so you get to see it kind of really cool right away. And then I put the art last just because like it's so hard to fill in the art and then it just looks empty most of the time, you know, yeah. Yeah, that's what about you Sergio. So for me, I went with a buck 60 of it first and the majority of that is because so personally I'm pretty creeped out by bugs but in In Animal Crossing, you know, it's a nice controlled area. There's a risk there. You know, the box is stay where they belong basically they don't bother you and you can observe them in their habitat, which is pretty cool. So box first then art the in fish and then fossils I do like your the art because like I said to is a challenging, I guess that's why because you know, it's very rewarding when you get an actual legit piece that you can add to the exhibit. Yeah, that's true. It takes a lot of work to get anything. Yeah. So day 62, the question was your favorite version of Nooks crannies. So Pete. What are you thinking on this one? I put the original. I love how like ramshackle it is, you know, like it's just this like very low fi Shack made of like sheet metal and he's in there with his tiny apron and it's like dirt floors and that's just how I always think of Tom Nook, you know is the The OG Lo-Fi version. Yeah, it's a good pick. I went with Nick way because it's just like so kind of convenient story Easter store sterile kind of look to it. Oh, yeah. I just like the kind of theme that goes with it just feels like you're shopping in a convenience store. Nice. That's what about you Sergio for me. I also picked the original. I guess you could think of it as like the very first version in whatever game it is. But yeah, even the the most original like the very first one from population growing I completely agree with you Pete. That's Tom Nook that's his environment right there with the apron and just that's that's the first Nooks crannies you get that's that's easy one. Yeah, absolutely. So day 61 the question was are you planning on having? More than one playable character in your town / Island at the I guess. What do you think? I'm Pete probably not. I don't ever have more than one character for myself and unless Sarah decides to you know, use my town like there wouldn't really be any reason for me to have to yeah, I get that. I put yes, ma'am mostly yes, but it just because like, I don't know if there's going to be if there's a limited edition. Fission switch that's Animal Crossing themed probably going to get it and if that's the case like Jackie my wife. She's probably I'm gonna been no. I know I'm torn about whether we're going to be living on the same island are doing our own thing. So yeah, maybe yes, I don't know nice. Yeah, what about you Sergio? You know, most likely I won't because I kind of bothers me to have like a house that is just there mostly empty. Really need the storage space if they do a lot of cool things with the floor patterns and they also kind of limit you to how many you can have per character. I may think about it, but I'm hoping there's enough flow patterns that you can do with a single character. So I don't have to have an extra character that I wouldn't really use for anything else. Yeah. That's true. A lot of people kind of make second character just for storage reasons Mmm Yeah, but hopefully, you know, I I want storage to really be worked out in this game because I feel like you're supposed to collect everything and have everything. So just give us the room to store it all so day 60. The question was design your dream hairstyle and you know, the I put the note here usually ask to be drawn. But what about what are you thinking for your dream hairstyle here Pete. So I just want to be able to do my own hair, which is I have an undercut and it's usually dyed blue or purple. You have the ability to do that in. Oh my God, I'm blanking on the name of it the mobile version. Um, yeah pocket Camp pocket. Yeah, you had the ability to do that and pocket Camp. So as long as I can like look like I did there I should be good to go. Yeah. Yeah for me. I just said please don't make me look like Guy Fieri when I take the personality quiz because apparently that's my personality and I don't want it to be can take it down to flavor town. And yeah, that's all that's you gonna name your Island flavor Town. Yeah, that's what I got to do. What about you Sergio? You know, I would want the like at that Dragon Ball is spiky hair like the anime character and one perfect. Yeah. I will if they add that I would probably go with that for a little while. Yeah, that's pretty good. They gotta go Super Saiyan 3 though where it's like the thongs making that goes all the way down to your but that's the way That's the one yeah. Alright and then the last question for day 59 look Saint or sinner. What are you thinking Pete sing? And honestly, I am tired of this narrative that people try to put out there on the internet that he's some kind of like a slumlord or like a CD landlord. All right. This guy is an absolute Saint he gives you a total stranger a place to live no money down. He's like a man spit back when you can it's cool and then as soon as He pay it off. He's like hey, like you want an extension like he is the chillest landlord ever. It's true. It's true. A lot of people just like I don't know. I feel like they just have something against him and I don't know why. But yeah, I said saying as well and it's because he's all about the money but he's about using it for the people. You know, I feel like he just invests it back into your place whenever you pay him off, you know. Yeah, dude. He's just he's helping out the community. Yeah. And what about you Sergio? Yeah, I agree. Both of you said it. Absolutely perfect. I actually I think st. Nick is actually the ride from Saint Nick. So there you go. You're totally right cool. So usually we close out the show with Hagen's Islander corner. For those of you who don't know. We asked our patrons on patreon a question every single week and then read some of their answers here. This week's question was are you planning on having more than one playable character on your Island? And Sergio will just go back and forth reading them pretty quickly. Do you want to start? Sure the first answer is by layout electron and he says no, Oh, it's just gonna be me and my town visitors are okay, but it's going to be my treasured Haven and I feel like a part of that is because you know, it gives you more room to put Public Works, I guess in your life, but now it's just going to be whatever you want to decorate Outdoors. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And then very DB said I want at least two other characters definitely having a which character somewhere on my Island. I can't wait to get creative and possibly have a narrative for my Island. And yeah, it's pretty fun when people build like a story around there. Characters that they make that's cute. I like that idea. Yeah, that's very very nice. So there were Alfred says I will eventually have multiple playable characters. I always I always use them for additional storage. Yeah. There we go. We don't know if that's going to be an issue. But I mean, even if they add storage just to one player you can always add more characters in more storage, you know, we still need it. Yeah, and then limbs Les said my husband offered to help me gather materials, so he will have a characteristic. ER on my Island, I'm really excited to play couch co-op with him. And yeah, I guess something we didn't mention was just like this is the first game where you can play at the same time as somebody so it's probably worth at least like trying it out, you know. Right. Yeah, please if I get ropes are into just Gathering materials for me, I would do that in a heartbeat. Nice. So Noah junk says I bought my wife a switch so she would have her own town, but we will both have characters in each other's towns. My friend would also join my wives because he doesn't have a switch that way he can join my streams when he comes over. Nice that that's cool. You know. Yeah, you can have like multiple players in multiple towns. That's pretty cool. Yeah, and then quantrell's have all said yes, my wife will share the island with me and I plan to have non-playable characters based on our four dogs. They'll all live in tents in one of the upper corners of the beach. Hopefully there will be a dog they there will be dog costume to dress them up in similar to animal costumes seen in New Leaf and pocket cam all nice. Yeah, that's pretty fun. I visited quantrell's New Leaf town and he really goes all out with like putting different buildings and Facilities around and making it feel like a full town for sure. That's cool. Nice. Yeah. So yeah, I guess before we close out with our announcements Pete. We're can everybody find you. Well, first of all, thank you guys for having me on it was a great time and I'm always happy to be able to talk Animal Crossing if you guys want to out there when I come talk Animal Crossing with me, you can follow at loud underscore Pete on Twitter Instagram. You can go find me on my podcast the pots cast over on Lou pots.com. Anywhere that you get your podcasts for the most part and if we're not somewhere where you would like us to be let us know and we'll get there and we do all kinds of other Nintendo content around Lou pots.com. So go file at lupaza you want to keep up with the news and you know reviews and all that kind of stuff and you can also go check out my comic book podcast the comics Pals anywhere podcasts are available were there and it's a great time. So I hope you'll come check out some of my stuff. Awesome. That sounds great. And yeah, thanks for joining us on the show. It's fun to have you. Yeah, definitely. Thank you. Yeah, anytime guys if you ever need another third chair I let me know. Yeah, awesome and thank you all so much for tuning in to this episode of hakken and Animal Crossing podcast don't want the episode to end. 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Today, Sergio and I are joined by Pete Imbesi from LootPots! He currently works as the Multimedia Editor at LootPots. He hosts their podcast The PotsCast and also cofounder of The Comics Pals. We speak with him about his history with the Animal Crossing series and his thoughts on Animal Crossing New Horizons. Find Pete Imbesi: https://www.peteimbesi.com/ Time Stamps: 0:05 - Introduction and Pete's Background 7:45 - Pete's History with Animal Crossing 22:21 - Pete's Thoughts on New Horizons 53:38 - 100 Day Countdown Questions 1:03:57 - Haken's Islander Corner 1:07:42 - Outro Announcements Support my channel on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/chuyplaysnintendo Join the Haken Discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/wJTCMRK Find Haken: An Animal Crossing Podcast on Podcast Platforms here: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast Get More Nintendo and Video Game Content Here: http://chuyplays.com/ Follow me on... Twitter: https://twitter.com/ChuyPlaysNTDO Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ChuyPlaysNintendo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chuyplaysnintendo Twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/chuyplaysnintendo Tumblr: http://chuyplaysnintendo.tumblr.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/haken-an-animal-crossing-podcast/support

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I had a I had a stretch in high school where I got very I got very Self-conscious about anything to do with acting partly just because I was small and I I remember having this terrified Sensation that girls from my school. We're going to see me in this song and dance thing that the you know, and I don't know why there's paralyzing self-consciousness came in and I quit the whole thing would be a good thing if they went and saw yeah exactly. I don't know why I had that I was at I went to a school that was a little tough. But um, but my mother was very my mother was very upset. She I mean Upset at me, but I know she knew I loved it and she was like, why are you quitting this and I don't want to talk about it and stuff and then we went and a school trip. We had a school trip to the National Theater and Ian McKellen was doing this one man show that he wrote about his life in the theater. It was called playing Shakespeare and it was like it was his we've he did of Shakespeare's life as an artist his life and the way that the text of Shakespeare's plays had Informed his own understanding of a life in the theater and he was magnificent like really really the the most unusual thing and very personal. It was really like an actor's life, you know, but he turned it into this great piece of theater and he I remember he did he say he asked for volunteers and I went up with I was about 17 and I went up I went on stage and and above with a Two other people and he kind of came over and you know has has whistles horses and he says he's just On Cue slide out and so we are so he says this thing and we all laid down and then he did he did Macbeth's tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow on the battlefield with all the dead around him. And and I was I was lying on the stage at the national I was looking he was about as close as me to you and I watched him do this thing from literally like right under him and it had a very profound effect. Chanmi, not just the angle like that. It was a really I went hot the whole ride home. I thought I remember thinking to myself. This is this is to you have to take this much more seriously, like it was very very profound because he made it seem like a life, right and and that was just before I went to college and I think it had a pretty big effect on reignite in my my my interest in. Okay, so hold up. So you guys have seen the famous video where like Bradley Cooper is The audience at Inside the Actors Studio and he asks Robert De Niro question and then cut to you all those years later. They make two movies together. You do this you're like laying on the stage with Ian McKellen and 10 years later. You guys are both nominated for best actor at the Academy Awards and well anything the same the year the Year. There was a year where it was the year that like Primal Fear and Larry Flynt and those things came out and Ian had done this thing on arrest Putin memory - and he wanted Golden Globe. So did you exactly actly so I met him I met him backstage and I never forgot on he what he was wearing a red velvet suit a brown velvet suit and which I was very impressed by and he and he we met and he said some very nice things and everything and I said, you know, I told him I told him that story and he was very touched by it. And I think that that's the kind of bonded us in a nice way, but then when I saw then I saw him at the luncheon. I would see him here and there and he was always very very sweet about my story and and and all of that effect he had and he I remember going up to him and saying can you believe the ice like this is the best thing ever and he goes, oh, it's awful. It's awful. You know, I hate it when I said why and he goes he goes because I want it. I want it. I'm not going to get it and I you know, we had a funny exchange die. Yeah, it was there's more to that story that I shouldn't tell that's fine. Well, I'll tell you I am a very positive person. I you will be hard-pressed at find me saying something negative especially in a public forum. But the fact that you were nominated for American History X Ian McKellen for Gods and Monsters and Nick Nolte for affliction in the same year. Not to mention Tom Hanks for Saving Private Ryan and you guys lost Roberto benigni is ridiculous. No, well, I'm the county that I'm a big fan of Roberto benigni. Okay, I love Roberto benigni. So I and I'm meeting him was like the prize that year I had dinner with him. And I really I think he's magnificent I and I love that film. So I was like you were okay losing to that I knew going in like I took a pool. I was like I got an 18 inch swastika on my chest and no one expected me to be here in the first place what you know, what I basically said to a circle of trusted friends, what's the over-under and everybody was like not a chance? We smoked a little something before that a great time. So when he when he got up on the chairs, you were loving it annoying, but the only thing that he stepped on Ian's here. I'll know when he ran across the chairs and that wasn't a good move. No probably them. But I also remember that was the best thing that year was Tom stoppard get a screenplay word and said and said when he say he said I feel like Roberto benigni on the inside. So, okay. So you we're digressing. No, this is good. We can jump around I have I've got all my notes here. So anyway you finish school in 91 what happens for those first three or four years after college graduation? How are you spending your time? I did a lot of theater in that school to I didn't study. I took some classes have but the amazing thing about, you know, I'd gone to public school and when I got this chance to go to Yale, the thing was so incredible about is how they were. So much theater going on there not because there's the Yale drama school and it's an unbelievable raft of Productions there the Yale rep. I remember seeing you know, you could you literally you could one we in one weekend. I was 19 you can see I was an undergraduate when I was 18 or 19. Paul. Giamatti was a year or two ahead of me in school. And and I remember going to see him in an undergraduate production of who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Wow, and Paul looked at the same as he looks now. This is a topologist aged into the way. He looked when I was 20 got it, and I remember I remember thinking so this is like some 50 year old guy who's come back to school together. He's amazing. He's just amazing. But I remember seeing that and then the same weekend. I saw at the Yale rep Fran McDormand and David strathairn were doing moon for the misbegotten. And and then I saw Henry the fifth and Leah was played clarinet Liev Schreiber was Clarence. He was at the drum school it was Like there was so much going on there and you could do plays. I did plays. You know all the time. I did check off plays and Shakespeare plays and had had a ball just you know, but you didn't have to be a you don't have to have a you know, you don't have to be getting a degree in theater there. It was it was wonderful and then afterwards you went to Japan for a while. No. No that was that was that was just a summer in part of a semester. I spent while I was in school God I lived over there so you so after finishing at Yale you went to New York and Looking for work as a working actor at that point. No, I actually went and worked in. I worked in affordable housing. I worked I did it's complicated. I was we were we were my grandfather who had a big impact on me making this film because he was an urban developer who was kind of the ante Robert Moses. And in fact many of Willem dafoe's lines in the film are things my grandfather said in speech is about about service and the idea of caring for people and and the first job I had was working for this organization. He built it that very Innovative Tax Credit Finance on affordable housing and a my job was actually going all over in in New York City. Every Borough interviewing people who had gotten out of situations of dislocation and into a stable affordable home and it was the most amazing way to move to New York City and get this like exposure to the breadth of the city and people's experiences and it and it was the period in which I got really interested in sort of the dark the dark history of New York. You know New York's dirty secret of the mid-century was was in many ways how the poverty traps that we deal with today many of the modern problems that we still deal with in New York, where a function of things done by Design in the 50s. And it's if Ella is if LA's kind of original sin is that it stole all its water and water corruption in many ways New York's is the way that Discrimination was really baked into the city of the in the infrastructure of the city as it was converted from a 19th Century City to a 20th Century City and I was I was in that period working in housing. I got I got actually pretty hooked on the things that I finally got into this film so great. So how long did that last before you then made the pivot? I was working I was I you know, I would get backstage and I was taking classes. I was Moonlighting in the theater and an even when I was doing that work I was I got you know, I was I did a I would audition, you know, four things out of Backstage. I auditioned for Yale drama school. I didn't get in audition for Juilliard and get in. So I was interested but in a weird way, I think I didn't get into those places because they're hard to get into but I also think I was II looking back I bet it emanated off me that I was not all the way in. You know what I mean? And I I kind of found my way to some really good teachers one in particular but and I was doing that and then I got into some you know off off plays Waiting for Lefty Clifford odets Waiting for Lefty. I did Brian friel's lovers. Shanley's the Italian American reconciliation. I was I was I was doing a lot of theater and I got and and out of that Edward Albee saw me in one of the plays I did and and that's what led to getting an audition for The Signature Theater and that's how I ended up starting to do kind of work. It was getting a little more. I don't know of a profile to it or something but still as I understand it you had to attend an open call for Primal Fear. Yeah, but everybody everybody. Let me know or like every one of my we all did like I mean honestly, I mean I've laughed at Sam Rockwell Bobby Cannavale a Mark Ruffalo Leo. Yeah, but no but Leo Leo was of start he was you know a famous he was like a really he was a star already and he oh, I see what you're saying. He he he I think that the line I've heard is that they offered that part to Leo and he he passed on it. And Christian Bale was kind of being talked about Stephen Dorff. I think I don't know how many but I don't know any I was I was like lol was Mars to me at that time. I had never been to La so but everyone every every actor. I knew everyone I was coming up with and was friends with in New York in the theater scene who wasn't you know in a graduate school like Sam and Bobby and Phil Hoffman and Mark Ruffalo every every and a million others everybody I noon About that part and it was kind of one of those things where you were like you thought you had an ace up your sleeve and then you realize everyone had the same Ace up their sleeve like you were like, yeah. I got this audition and it was like, oh you did fuck everybody like everybody got that audition like so wasn't it was like that's all Deb Aquila who was the casting director at Paramount got Greg ha blood to let her really go around Chicago and I don't London and New York and and really do a old school search, you know, but my understanding which I think is really interesting for a room full of actors is that you went into this audition and whereas it was written that the character was sitting in a chair you'd asked to do it sitting on the floor in the corner of the room and I think that's interesting because my understanding is that it was one of several ways that it kind of set you apart from a lot of the I think like that sometimes These things like they get a life in them. That was that it's it even happen in time by the time I came out and did the screen test. I was like going around and Lala. I didn't know where I was. I so didn't know where I was out here that I was at the Third Street Promenade and they had me staying at the Bella the it's still you know across from The Whisky a Go Go Oh and I was on the Third Street Promenade and I saw these buildings in the distance and I was like, I'm just going to walk to the hotel and I was like, I like four hours later. I hit the I hit the Brentwood, you know. Oh mom is something wrong here. But I I think that that even like my screen test people it was like it was like the Nirvana demo tape. It was like people were telling me Oh, I saw that and that's how the fuck did you get ahold of my like screen test, but but the things that were true but it wasn't one does that to the thing is I had auditioned for Deb's Deb and her partner when they were big into casting directors in New York like they she did. Like sex lies and videotape and Last Exit to Brooklyn and so she she was now if you were into you know indie film and stuff Deb Deb was kind of like one of the ones you wanted to get in on and some time. I had I had auditioned her partner had said to her like we should have met and then I remember saying a thing I would do a lot is if I felt if I felt an audition had gone even even a little bit well, I would say take and I could I ask you even if this doesn't work out. I'd love to be a reader, you know, and I would always ask casting directors. If I got a positive vibe off from we please call me. If you ever need a reader happy to work for free blah blah blah and I did that all the time. I would I would work, you know as the reader and I did that for Deb's partner once or twice and I think even doing that kind of tuned Iran a little bit more, you know to So I didn't go in blind. I did there's a funny story. I don't believe it. But I knew Connie Connie Britton and I were friends and that period and she I ran into her on the street and she was like gonna bail on an audition and I told her like what's it for and she was like, it's some film in backstage and I was like, well, you should just go I pushed her so she went then I see her later and she was like, oh I got that that little film but I'm not going to do it. It's like 10 weekends in a row at this kids house on Long Island are like Connie like you get it you've never done a film like do the film, you know, she's like, okay. Okay. And so that that was The Brothers McMullen unbelievable The Brothers McMullen and then she went out she went to Sundance. It was a big deal. She went to LA she got an agent and she and then she went in to read for Deb for the more a teener the Maura Tierney part in Primal Fear and she called and she went out of that audition and she called me from the Paramount loud and she said She goes I was ready for something. She goes. I'm not going to get it but there's a part and they're going to look at she goes I have the creepiest feeling like you have to read for this part. It's like it's you and she goes I'm gonna pay you back right now. You should get it you should facts debacle of facts and I did I found I wrote a fax to Deb's partner and just said if you're coming to New York, can I see this and you know blah blah blah. So that's how that happened. Did you I mean the performance in Primal Fear was so spectacular. It was such a great day. View for those of us who had seen you onstage. I just remember I was working Entertainment Weekly at the time. We went to see the moving. We were like, holy shit. This was amazing. Were you did you know that you were kind of filing firing on all cylinders did were you surprised by the Acclaim? How did it strike you it was I mean The whole thing it just it run it like unfolded in slow motion. The because the in I used to look at things like that timeout adjusting. It's just like well, I'm not going to get it but it'll be a good shot to try something a little weird, you know, or just see what I knew and and I used to always go into auditions and kind of say I would I hate the thing of chitchat before you read. I think it's it's it's like introducing your own film. It's a disaster. It's like it's like you're atomizing everything. You're about to try. Do it's like hey, let's meet each other. And then now I'm going to go put on a Kentucky accent and pretend, you know, it's like why would I why why does this help so I would always kind of subtly in a way say to whoever was like, can we just can we talk after you know, he's come and do the thing and usually people like, you know like that and that's what I did with Deb is I just asked the assistant. Can I just be in the room and can she come in? Can we just start you know, and And that's that's what that's that's why that's what Deb sometimes later talked about was because Deb didn't use readers. She's a really good actor. So she would read the scenes with you, which I thought was cool. And and I think I did do that. I think I sad over in the corner. So when she came in she kind of to find me in the corner of the prison cell or whatever and we did those things and and then and I felt it had an impact on her and I think the thing on that was that It didn't the part was written it evolved when we made the film a lot. It didn't have a stutter. It didn't have these things and I remember thinking like this just needs this needs a hook. This needs this needs and if this is going to work, there's there's got to be something that that kind of You know cons this this sharp lawyer fast and it seemed to me like that the vulnerability that you know, the way you empathize with someone who has a stutter stutter stutter creates instant empathy sure. And so I thought it was a good a good way to do without presuming to mess with the script just finds put something in it there wasn't there and I think that may have been part of it that was obviously working and so I kept I kept working on it. Leaning into it. And by the time we got into doing it, it was almost like that had become part of the DNA of it before we even made the film and I think it was a great experience. Overall. Richard Gere was amazing to me. He was he was a very very generous Ally in helping me go through a first film experience. Everybody on that was it was it was great. And you know, it was really I really Michael Chapman like who shot See driver and Raging Bull and was the DP and I was quite nervous about that. But he when we did it it was I don't want to say it was a mess. But it was it was no one knew what the ending was supposed to be and they wasn't decided is is it a con or is it things and there was the student Studio was pressuring people to have it be that Richard gets over on that Richard wins in the end and and to his huge credit. He was like no. No, no, no. No, he's like it's a con. I don't get it's a body blow. The last frame is me with my shoulder sagging. That's why it works. You know, he was very unprotected of of the idea of like a heroic ending for him love that. Yeah, and and but when we shot we kind of improvised that whole thing that became the ending that really worked and I remember a lot of people go on like I heard crew guys going we'll be back to be redoing this. You know what I mean? Oh shit, like, you know there were there were yes, some people it wasn't like but then there were the hot Koch who was the producer that film head of the academy while back I remember seeing hawk in the corner kind of giving me this look like like Don't listen to any of that that was great like that that really worked and and it was kind of like, okay, but the thing is it's not like Birdman. I mean honestly, I it was a great experience and I felt great about having had the chance but it wasn't like the film was at Thriller with a Twist at the end and it was sort of like in the back of my mind. I was like, I better hold on to my per diem because this this could just not work at all. It could be it could be real turgid. Melodrama that that that doesn't work and and so I didn't I wasn't like people were nattering in a way but I was definitely not counting my chickens like about that film. And in fact I got I was very excited because I got to I got in a Woody Allen film I got and everyone says I love you and and even more significant to me. I got to work with me before men. I knew that was coming. I For Primal Fear came out. We started shooting Larry Flynt and he he was I mean would he was very formative for me. But me Lo she was like one of my Idols I really his films had a huge effect on me. And and I I really was I was just completely. Immersed in not just in doing the film but in hanging in his shoulder and watching him make a film like and some tough things were going on in my life. My mother was ill and so I really was like living this life between going home, excuse me, and um and really hunkered down in this thing melosh who was involving me at a lot of levels of it. He kind of really engaged involved me in the script and involve me in the editing and he And it was like such a tutelage a real mentorship for me that I know this sounds like BS but it really is the way it went for me. We were in Memphis we're doing these things and Primal Fear came out while we were doing it and I really did have this sensation of kind of like it was like something in me was like this is I was resistant to it was exciting but I kind of was like did it do? Okay and people like you did great. I was like great and I went back to work. because because I felt like I felt like this opportunity of working with me Lo she was like it was almost like a new Pinnacle and you know, and it wasn't that I was took that for granted but it felt it felt like I think I knew it was going to there was gonna be a lot of noise and in a weird way, I think consciously and unconsciously because of the things that we're going on in my my life, you know, there were tough the the I knew that that kind of noise was going to be very bad for me right then and that the best thing was just a work which is to keep working and and literally I had seen all of my my parents took me to Amadeus and and I remember the theater we saw it in I remember how old I was and and I was talking to my mother like almost every day while I was making Larry Flynt and she wanted to hear about it and dissected and asked what he was like and all these things and it just felt like in that period I was like Just just keep your head in these things that matter and while she was alive. I wanted her to like engage be engaged in the create, you know, what the pleasure of the creative process and happy she got to experience at least the beginning. Yeah of this part of your life and your career. Yeah, when you think back to everyone says, I love you and singing my baby just cares for me and doing like the dancing at all. That is that terrifying was it's super fun. What was your mindset on that filming? I was I was I was thrilled I was fascinated to I was fascinated to watch him do his thing because as just as a student of film, it's like how does he do these things is really interesting. I was I was completely flummoxed by the musical component of it. That was like they didn't tell us it was a musical. What so the everyone who died in it was like You know, I did an audition they have me come back. They I was waiting in the lobby. They came out and said so yeah, he wants you to do it. So it'll be September and I was like, wait, what did you say, you know, and they were like you wants you to do it I said well, can I go back in and say thanks, you know and you know and and I came back and I said I just wanna say I'm so I can't believe it. I'm so so thrilled he was much, you know, it's going to be terrific, you know, and I and I said I said, well, you know, thanks so much and he goes not be great. Walking out and he goes he goes. Hey, you know just you sing it all and I said what and I said, you know, okay and he get your drunk. Yeah. It was like he was like eagles nice just something I'm playing with and then and then like monthly a couple months later. I get this thing saying you should go in and work with Dick Hyman The his great arranger and his vocal coach and I was like what is going on and I said to my mother Oh my God, it's like I get I Get Away Island moving into musical like, you know, but it was fun. It turns out to be very fun crazy. I had no idea that you didn't know that. Okay. So this leads into the first question either. I'm going to intersperse a couple of your guys this questions. I hope I'm reading your name, right? Is it yeska Yeah, how's it going? So his question is how did you get into character for American History X which is the next movie I want to talk about. It was the whole that film benefited in a lot of ways from being, you know, we made that phone for three million bucks. They think it was a total budget on it. We did it really fast David McKenna and I wrote it was he wrote the script we worked very intensively together for this period of like six months before it like trying to sort of take this amazing idea script. He'd had an almost Like pare it down and imagine it as a Shakespearean tragedy. And by the time that that I know it is an actor's room. So this is this is the right room talk about this, but I think that people people have a tendency to in our trade to say like there's kind of a romantic value placed on like I did ideas like instinctual or visceral or about acting and I think that's true. But the I always think it's nuts that like the notion that any of the very best actors aren't analytical and cerebral first is the biggest load of crap and it does a disservice. I think when people talk about the method and they don't know what they're talking about and they talked about this what they what they're really doing is inadvertently they're encouraging actors to not do their fucking homework, and and I've Kevin two phones with Robert De Niro. I know Daniel Day-Lewis. I know Sean Penn all the people you say like people talk about the American she acts like those people. I guarantee you every single time there the they're like investigative reporters it all starts. Analytically it all starts from the cerebral dramaturgical point of view. What's the piece? How does the piece function? What's the style? What how does the role fit within the style? What type of person there's nothing instinctual about it in the early phases its It's dramaturgical work its literary work. It's it's style work its theme work. It's like it's all that work before to me before you can even begin to go. All right, what's the skin? What's the what's the body? What's the voice? What's the what's the instrument of the whole thing and what how do I get it into the musculature? And in that case that time with David that I spent we talked really? Thinking about it thinking about it from the point of view of Othello's about jealousy Macbeth's about pride and ambition. This is about rage. We're going to strip away everything in this the drug subplot all this bullshit. We're going to strip it down and make it. This is about a person who destroys himself all of his potential because of anger and anything else is purple and the more we got down into that in the more we started realizing we don't need that. We don't need that and we need more in the prison. We need to see what happens to him. Or that is the work. That's that's like for me. That was the work. That was that was the getting ready. Like that was the like absorbing. What the hell is this really all about? Because then you can start to go. All right. Well, you know, what has he done to himself physically that is the is the is the physical echo of these things? How does he talk? How does he things what's his relation with and getting in and actually just start to do the work of physical izing it and all these things but but but the accelerant, you know, the clarity and the accelerant for me that comes from the the analytical work before is the notion that you would what I don't like about the role the over romanticization of like some idea of the method or whatever is that it kind of says it kind of suggests something that I think is really Really weak sauce, which is show up and wing it, you know what I mean, like like getting there and just feel it and I don't I don't go for that. And in fact when I cast motherless Brooklyn which in some way but we had to make this there's a big movie we had to make it in 46 days and and I didn't cast a single actor in that movie who wasn't someone with deep theater experience because I couldn't have needy actors on that film. I couldn't have anyone. Who hadn't had the experience of having primary responsibility for the text and by that I mean has been on stage and had the experience of saying the ball is in my hand and I am carrying it from moment one to moment. And I know how to synthesize the totality of the peace do the work ahead of time and be ready on stage to deliver the whole thing because I couldn't give people on this film more than two or three takes there was just no way to do it and I had to have people who had that kind of command of text. And and I think nobody on motherless Brooklyn. It's probably has one of the best ensemble cast I've ever worked in or with as an actor or flanking. Nobody on that film was in anything even approaching a method mode. Everybody was in there working as a tradecraft pro nimbly. We prepared ready and not Askin for a precious environment of concentration because I couldn't give it to him. I couldn't give it to him. And and and and in fact, I was the disruptive Force because you work together to degree actors can what do we all do we Bloom up a bubble of suspension of of all of the what's going on around? You especially on Films you help each other push all that away and within your little thing pretend it's real and be in it. And when one of you is ping-pong out of it, you're the you're the one messing it up. You know what I mean? And I couldn't have actors who who were going to be like, you know, you know snowflakes right about about that and I think that that I think it's important to say that because I think think it's like not everything not every approach serves every the demands of every piece or every type of work and I think there's times you need you need, you know, pure professionalism like a violinist. They know they know how to play the instrument, you know, let me quiz you about a couple other ones before we get into more of a conversation about motherless Brooklyn Fight Club the the Lord On that film is that the executives weren't sure about it, you know all the way through is is it too dark to we need to change you know how we're selling it? What are your Recollections of that experience and how that one felt because it mean 20 years later. It's so iconic. I mean, you know the inside baseball of like what's what terrifies studio people think I think it's almost like a irrelevant content that that to me again. Then from work point of view it was wonderful. It was beautiful. It was like there was an enormous amount of humor on it. There was a strong sensibility of irreverence and and a desire to I think stick a fork into the the foibles this you know, the most the existential moment. We were feeling like we're all living in right now and it was fun. It was fun. It was it was a there was a troublemaking mischievous sensibility on the whole thing and and it was great people funny people like Helena is really funny. That is really funny. Fincher's really funny. My abiding memory of the whole thing was a lot of a lot of laughter a lot of hard work a lot of takes. Oh, yeah, right and thank God I worked with him before he went digital. I can't even I mean at least there was a at least he could run out of film right here, but I but by the way, I'm glad you said that because that that to there's no you can't You can't be a method actor with Fincher. There's no way he'll burn you out. He'll he'll he'll take you into da da he'll take you into a place where you're you're beyond self beyond beyond connection where and when I say the concert violinist you he even if you go, wow, he's never happy till 20. I'll just save it until 20. I'm going to bring the good stuff between 20 and 25 and on 45 you start going. Oh my God, he's going to use these ones, you know, and I and you're like I can't feel the front of my face. I can't hear my own voice. You're in Saving Private Ryan mode. Everything's gone silent. You don't know, you know what you're saying and and it forces you to get to a very interesting place, which is this is not about this is not about any kind of like connectedness that happens like hours ago and and he was and he was not doing anything other than looking at whether the Steadicam bumped, you know what I mean? And and you just go I better find a gear to be in on this or I'm not going to survive it and and what's really interesting to me. Is it puts you in a you get into a technical craft place where you go? We're going to work together to find it. There's a lot of them. There's no rehearsal. So it's like You almost get his pastry like okay with this director the first 10 to 20 actually is a rehearsal and and there's where you know will block things but this is actually really finding it and he's okay with that and so we can we can explore we can you know, F around try some weird stuff things and and then there's going to be this Zone where maybe it'll happen. But you kind of just with David have to get into a place of you can't be precious and you can't look. For emotional connectedness to anything you have to you have to work like a dancer and and trust trust that you've that all the time spent together is creating a stylistic like Synergy that you have gotten into each other's Vibe and that you're that that that you can trust when it you can trust that. He's a great choreographer and that he's going to He's going to let you know when when the moves of you and this other thing came together and he's a master of that a master of the dance between camera and and actors. Right and I think that was that was interesting. Is that book? He also said I mean again the antithesis of like what everybody thinks is like, you know, the kinds of conversations that go on with directors and actors the the best gaming on the best notes I've ever not gotten as an actor probably in the first one or eight days. We were doing a lot of stuff and I did something where it was always with him. Like are we being very tongue-in-cheek here and very funny or are we leaning a little on the darker side of it? And you know, it was pretty much that kind of a play and I did something leaning. I think I read was in my underwear running and I think I did a very like, you know, like Like a florist. Yeah little bit of a flourish or something and he kind of came over to me and he goes a little less Jerry a little more Dean and I was like, that's his like that's it. I say that's this whole film and I kind of said like we were laughing I was like I got you but later I said, you know something that's pretty much it the whole time I said, all you got to do is you just tell me Jerry you're Dean on this phone the rest of this and we know where to go. You know what I mean? It was it was sometimes it can be simple like that. What was your experience with your director of the following year on Keeping the Faith it was him. II you know When I look back on that it was it was those were those were the fat days. I had more time and more money to make a rabbi priest joke into a romantic then I had to make like an epic New York Noir. It was just so different so luxurious and and also and super fun super fun light and Ben is vanities himself a director who's next. They're so you you couldn't have had a more a dance partner who was more facile more willing while the tapes Rolling its let's go back. Let's just go back to there and pick it up again and go and just very old school old old school lemon Matthau patter looking for looking for the rapid Tata of it all did Disney come to you and say would you like to direct this or no? You had it all know. We my partner Stewart wrote that script and we set it up and originally we're going to do it in one studio and got put in turn around and we it was one of those things it felt it felt the way it way. It all landed was great super fun. And it was it Fincher said it we're making Fight Club. Well, we're setting it up and I was asking about certain things and I Stuart and I thought maybe we just like do this because YY said over someone else's shoulder and and and Bug them because they're not getting your jokes or whatever. And so but I said something to Fincher like like do you think it's a this kind of light and he was like, he goes the first one just just do something you don't care about he goes don't do anything you care about on your first one and it's not that I didn't care about it, but he was like, he goes Alien 3 was not my heart's desire. He's like, but it gets you it gets one. Belt and it gets you things and that and it was that way for me. It was it was fun. And I really liked what it was about we had a great time, but it wasn't it was in a way getting to go through the exercise of making one right that leads into a question from Causeway Blackwell who asked it must be hard to be on camera and direct at the same time. How do you deal with it? it they're armed. It really is very eun-jung. There's things I absolutely love about it. And there's things I really hate about it it. On motherless Brooklyn because the character if anyone has had the character has Tourette syndrome and obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's a very chaotic very spontaneous. Kind of a characterization and it was tricky in a funny way on that because of the time constraints which were very real. I actually could not the director me the producer. I could not afford actor Edward needing a lot of time and I and in a weird way the fact that I knew I was going to cut it and shape it. I felt very, you know, I trust myself so I wasn't I wasn't Cher's I was free to experiment and to very quickly bracket the performance and do one at to do want it for do you want to 8 and do one redlined, you know crazy give myself a lot of raw material which was very much by the way a Milos Forman wisdom to me. He was he Miller told me once like that making films is all about casting and editing and in between all you're doing is gathering raw clay. And and if your actors are right You're a good editor you get yourself everything you can get yourself and it's it was and it helped me on this because it let me as an actor serve myself in an uninhibited way. I had less self-consciousness less protectiveness about doing something that I later would go. I hope he doesn't use that, you know, and I want any did liberate me to to work in a somewhat more freely experimental way. Without without too much self-consciousness, that's good. What's what's not so great is just all the all the headspace that you try to put all this all the space. You try to create for yourself as an actor to get out of your head and into the muscle memory goes away. It gets just completely eaten by the necessary work directing and and vice versa because As you you lose all of your time as a director. Literally to the makeup chair and you know, it's that that part of it is tough. But you know again, this is a room vectors. I think it's a great thing to do. It's a great there's such an amazing tradition in American film of actors. may you know making films we all come up on those films from from Citizen Kane the great one too, but you know like do the right thing had a big impact on me was one of the more formative films of my life Reds had that effect on me Robert Redford's films, you know, and and and when you see these things done and and sometimes I think Actors if they've been in if they've you know, if they sometimes actors have a sense of their own Sweet Spot their own thing and sometimes it's something very special can emerge out of out of somebody having a deep feeling for something like Dances with Wolves, you know, like a beautiful film. I think Costner absolutely understanding where he is. Where he was best, you know, he knew what that was about for him and it comes through, you know, it comes through and I love that. I I always I always felt like whatever the whatever is difficult about it. It's worth it's worth it. It's worth trying to find those things and take a swing because we we exist in the Netherworld of I always think I always hated. When I was in my, you know first in New York, I hate I hate having the lack of autonomy that actors have I hate that we wait on other people. It's their beautiful things about what we get to do, but waiting on other people to give us a gig sucks. Like eternally it will never not suck. It has always sucked. It will never not some and and it and inevitably I just think that it's part of the existential the existential burden of actors is Is at some point. You just got make the work you want to make you you got to make your own work. You gotta be part of making the work is what I loved about Shakespeare in Love truly loved about that film is the whole idea of of actors the minstrel tradition put it all in a wagon go to town set up the fucking set put on the costume do your own makeup, you know, it's like that that that we you know, We've been boxed in the separated unions and all these things. But the truth is I think in it's just none of us at any phase are lucky. I mean, there's so few are lucky enough to like just get to like read one thing reading and I'll do this. I won't do this. I wanted that's just not the condition of the tribe. It's the it's always and I think the did to some degree we've got to make our own way and make our own make our own opportunities for work. I like this question for Marco Para. Ha who says what advice do you give to actors who are serious about wanting to make films as well? I mean, how did you study the directors that you like to make sure that you were picking stuff up without distracting from the work that you were brought there to do. Well, I think I think litter is literacy is important. I when my friend used to run the acting program at Juilliard, I'll go and talk to the kids there and it's like it's an extension of this same conversation. You could you have to be literate. You have to be you have to be I'll read you have to read plays you have to watch films. You have to understand. I think one of the best pieces of advice the teacher ever gave me was you got to understand style in the sense that like the Coen Brothers demand a very different sort of work than Paul Thomas Anderson does maybe you know what? I mean? It's like like there is style. And if you're doing the hudsucker proxy and you're bringing like a low-key banal like a naturalism you're out, you know what I mean? Mean like you're gone like you need you need Converse in see with the filmmakers you hope to work with right? And and so I think that I think literacy is important and I think looking at you know, in a funny way. I mean this kind of stuff is great. I always used to look for stuff like this there was um, you know, those Chi a de Cinema. I used to love, you know or projections. There was that that series of books and Or somebody on somebody, you know, like the everything about film process I used to devour is also Turner Classic Movies during a classroom is pretty good chance to know what my weight. I totally agree. I totally agree. I think that the we have a rich were in a rich moment of access to I remember having to chase down tapes of the old RSC. There was a great RSC director John Barton and Trent and then and Trevor Nunn. They did this thing the series on the BBC called called acting Shakespeare and it was like all the best Shakespearean actors out of in England doing these filmed working sessions. If you can ever find them they are they are to this day amazing. Wow, they're amazing. It's like Patrick Stewart and David suchet and Ian McKellen and Lisa Harrow and she Sinéad Cusack and all these great actors dissecting how they break. down Shakespeare's texts and all these things is amazing, but I think I think on a on a technical level when you go I think anyone would tell you that if you're going to direct a movie or an act in it, you got to Triple the preparation time. Like if someone tells you like prep is 10 weeks you go. No, it's not as 20 like it's and if you have to do that, unofficially off the books because and you got to carve your time as an actor, you're the guy whatever. I don't know who's seen the film but the guy who plays the mayor yeah in the film. We did plays together at the Ninth Street rep in New York when I was like 24 and he's a terrific actor teaches acting as a Lewis and and he was my rehearsal partner. So like long before prep started I would work he would play all the other parts and I would work on the scenes with him because I knew I wasn't going to have time one Scout start until you know, like the Alfred Hitchcock line that directing is getting pecked to death by a thousand pigeons is His I really like it's very true and the pit and you and it's your the pigeons are the ones that make you look great. But yet but they do have a lot of questions and and and it's going to end it's going to eat your if you're going to act in something your prep time is going to go like like down the hall. I wonder what came first that line from Hitchcock or the Birds. Yes. They are related. Maybe it was his revenge. It was like the any instant Recollections of working with Marlon Brando on. score Yeah, sure. I mean. it's it's funny you say that because I was I was having a conversation about him and that not that long ago and that was got me thinking about it and I hadn't in a while and there was like yeah, I was I remember feeling a little dismayed because I felt and this is not a negative on anybody because when you're making a film like as we all know, there's all kinds of pressures of different people. They have their own things going on, but I felt that. I felt that some of what was going on for the director of the film that was making that was it was it was putting him in a slightly tight place. He he had a notion. He had a notion that he wanted the vibe between these three actors. He wanted it to conform to a videotape that he had in his head. And I thought what was a shame was that Marlon? Marlon was doing really really cool funny very tender stuff. He was putting a little bit of a Truman Capote spin a very distinctly closeted homosexual kind of a love between his character and Bob's character. There was a there was more than a paternal thing going on which is in the script which I'd been I got hired on that. I did a punch up the studio all these things so I don't Actually, like design the vibe between our characters because it had been it was more of a caper film. And once it was like me and De Niro and Brando it was like it was going to like it was going to be something else. It was not going to be tongue-in-cheek and we decided to like play it almost like a generational thing Young Turk like Stone Cold, you know Pro and then the veteran right who's gotten a little sloppy, right and it fit us and we doubted in that way, but but Marlon did that thing that he always did if you look at his work, he always has the great the great the great misperception Marlon Brando is that he was this masculine icon which he was but it's it's the way Marlon looked from Streetcar on Reflections in a golden. I mean, there's elections in Goldeneye even Terry Malloy the thing that makes Marlon Brando great is his sensitivity. He has a he has a very a very wounded Very I don't want to say a feminine because that's not quite right, but he has a there's a there's a softness and he looks like a Roman, you know, he looks like he it's the it's the juxtaposition of the way he looks with what is actually this very childlike kind of softness and sensitivity and that scene with Eva Marie Saint the famous one with the glove. And the fan with Rod Steiger in the car and all those things. It's woundedness. It's not it's not Terry Malloy. The fighter is the guy going. I needed you looking out for me. And and with her saying don't say that don't say that about me, you know what I mean? It's like he's in pain and and I think that came through so much of his stuff. Anyway, we're doing this thing and I was watching him and people were making a lot of noise about Marlon was used. He was on the first people to use an earwig right and they were going blah blah blah. He's using you. He's phoning it in and I was like the guy is 82 years old and he was doing it in a very canny way because he would have his she was realized he would do like two or three takes and yeah, there'd be like a funny little pause while he got it but he was a master. He he delivered a flying more fluidly than like most people on their best day and and after two or three he would go, you know, I got it. It just helped him find. It a little faster he was old and it was a memory thing and he would very quickly Let It Go and he was doing this. He was I started realizing he's playing this as he's playing this as a longtime unrequited love and it was really interesting really it made it. It made it more tragic and and there was an Impulse to to crush that right out and I could feel him go through this moment where he was sort of like, Here we go. Like now now it's going to become like the Marlins the difficult one and it just wasn't the case. I thought it was his last film and I thought it was. I loved watching him do that thing. He was he was very sick. I mean it's ridiculous to say he was special but eat even when long past when I think people were thinking oh he doesn't care about it anymore. He doesn't mean but he had to just an intuitive. He had a truly intuitive sense ability for I think human sensitivity a couple last questions about motherless Brooklyn before we use up our time here. I'm fascinated by The character of Lionel astronaut because occasionally you you've seen someone who has Tourette's Syndrome on film or on a TV show. I find so fascinating about this character is that this is a man who is very frustrated by and objective about his own condition. He's always apologizing for it, you know feeling embarrassed about it in a really interesting way and I'm wondering how that affected the way you played it because you're the characters has to show the frustration as As well as the throes of it that he's under. Yeah, I mean. it's always a the thing about in a way all characters who? Are heightened and I don't even mean just like carriages the disability like we're talking about Marlon Brando Stanley Kowalski or whatever Stanley Kowalski. I mean, it's not it's not like Tennessee Williams is realism, right Blanche DuBois and Stanley Kowalski are poetic archetypal characters like no but no American playwright ever wrote more heightened archetypal characters. What's so exciting in that? Is you have Vivien Leigh and while brand of taking these things and just hauling them down onto the ground so that they become visceral right? And they take that language that's impossible. It's so hard that language you what so few people can can and they make it real right and when they make it real they then it becomes I it's like heightened but becomes identifiable right and you get the Joseph Campbell phenomenon of transparency. You're like, well, even I'm not you know, and that's why he had such an impact a whole generation of actors a whole generation of people. It was like it was like suddenly they were they could they could see the tensions of there. Masculinity and sensitivity in him. He's this way, but then he's on his knees in front of Stella, you know, and it's like it's all heightened, but what it's doing is becoming transparent lie about all of us, right and I think that that's always the case and to me like a character like Lionel with an Affliction. We don't all have tourettes but everybody everybody at some time feels misunderstood feels like an underdog feels Like people underestimate them feels lonely. And so the idea to me is not it's like the Affliction or the condition is actually just a mechanism for turbocharging your identification. Right? It's the way to get you to empathize. It's an accelerator on empathy and hopefully certainly it's true in the book. But but hopefully in the first five minutes of the film, you're like, I'm on this guy's side. Absolutely. I'm on his side. He's letting me in his head. I'm here. Who is true is true voice? I'm seeing what he deals with. I'm thinking there, but for the grace of God go I because if my inner voice came out, I'd be in trouble too. All right, you know what, I mean? And and so you you know, we're in a weird way the anchor is not like the condition or the expression of the ticks or this or that it's like I think in every character like that. It's much more. What is what they're human struggle? That's Universal underneath a specific thing. Right? And I think that's it. But you know my left foot. Let's take it like great performance of a person with a really severe physical efficient, but that's not the nature then the than the film is about what's so amazing about that film in that performance is it's as much about being Irish as it is about having Cerebral Palsy. Right? Right because he's because he's Quinta and and the three films they made together, you know in the name of the Father the boxer and my left foot all those films are about Irish life. They're all about the condition of being Irish, huh? And I think what I love about that performance is not that he amazingly inhabits the physicality of cerebral palsy. It's that he gives you this huge human portrait of a person and who just like you and me is a son of a bitch is Lusty is horny and who is fighting his daily battle is that but he's fighting through it to become who he wants to become right and and his setbacks are very intrinsically Irish the things he's also fighting through just sort of becomes a metaphor for Irish life, really and I think that I think that Lionel to me like he Tourette's the condition me on scene. It's it's woven in the film good whose character is unseen because she's a black woman and she's a lawyer but she's a black woman in the 50s. So she's written off Williams character is not seen for who he really is. Alec Baldwin's character is not seen for who he really is and I think the the idea of of invisibility or of people the dangers and the sadness of not seeing things as they are is very interesting. That's a very interesting thing. And much much more interesting. Honestly than Tourette's because if you had to relate to having Tourette's then the movie would be for like and the smallest Niche audience in the world. But if but it but it you have to figure out what is it. What is it? It's Universal underneath it. And then how does the how does the how does the manifestation that's very unique to him and hopefully kind of fascinating and humorous and all these things become a device for connecting you and it does completely yeah and in this situation when you adapted Jonathan Lee films book, this is a labor of love project for you something you've been wanting to do for ever. And what was that experience like not only for you directing it but hearing this amazing cast speak the words that you and Jonathan leave them, you know kind of created. It must have been such a thrill it was The greatest in a weird way, I was the well, that's not true. I the book takes place in the 90s and it's just about the traumatic guy working for the detective. So me my character and Bruce Willis and the guys but the whole thing the rest resetting it in the 50s and the rest of it about Robert Moses. Basically, that's you that's not in the book, right? So there's sort of its this mashup of Jonathan's character and my World my story my world and and it was neat for both of us. I think for him. It was like I think we were very true to the spirit of his character and the underlying law, you know, the loss of his only friend being the driver but then it was like his character walked off into his next novel which was he said he loved for me. I think it's one thing. That's fun. I think writing as an actor writing with other actors in mind and and writing for a huge cohort of actors that I've worked with for 25 years or known or is that you can you can hear them and you can see them and so like for me, you know, I would I was actually so hung up on Bobby Cannavale a doing a part that I got very gripped about the you know, we were trying to work out his schedule with the Irishman and oh that yeah and and Um, but like there's lines in the movie, he says he's getting frustrated with Ethan. He says like I know it's called that's why they call it winter, you know, Anna. You know, not everybody can get away with that. But Bobby can and and there are certain things that Alex says that you know, when I hear them come out of his mouth. It's a it's very You know, it's great. It's special. There's there's some people have an imprint and you can kind of hear that that in it and when you actually get when you actually get those people that you wrote with it in mind, that's pretty pretty special. My favorite stuffed will I live as I said, it's you last time the scene of you and gugu dancing where she kind of puts her hand on your neck too in that calms you down that such a beautiful moment, but I also just love the stuff with you and Willem Dafoe because for once You sense these two guys who are kind of Misfits and outcasts having this really strong connection with each other that first scene where you guys really are talking is is magical. He we talked a lot this you wouldn't think this but Willem and Alec that we talked a lot about Star Wars because we talked about these guys being like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth and Anakin Skywalker. They were Jedis together and Anakin Skywalker goes to the dark side, but he's strong with the force, right? Right, that's like who they that that was like the archetypal kind of vibe. We want to between them and I think my is sort of like Luke, you know, Obi Wan and Rags teaching Luke how to go at the Death Star. You know my God. Now you're watching the guy I'm seeing you in a whole new light, but but let me let me say let me say this because I think again, it's this it's this is a this is a very particular. Group, and I think for me will let you know again that Hulk I remember. You know, when when Phil Hoffman and me and people who when you are sort of starting theater companies and everything. We used to like Willem was William was for a lot of us. The ideal of the kind of career you could have is a New York actor sure because he you know, he helped found the Wooster group. One of the great avant-garde companies stayed very committed to it always was coming back and doing shows they're kept that group alive and vital. even as he became, you know the great film actor straddling all these things and it was kind of like that's that's that's the model of a great like New York actors career and and getting to I knew him from West's films but but getting to really dig in with him in New York work with him was very very special and I think it's worth saying he Allah in the vein of that thing of like actors doing what they have to do is like we could I couldn't we were joking about the Irishman but I made this film for like 1/10 of the budget of the Irishman and because we had to we couldn't you couldn't use very hard to get these kinds of films together even with Bruce every emanating and this this film this film was co-financed by actors because everybody in it came in and did it for me for scale like like from Bruce on down and I had to say to everybody I don't have money on this. And and that entire task Bruce Alec Willem gu Bobbi Cherry Jones, Michael Kay Williams Dallas Roberts. Josh policeman. Yeah, Leslie everybody right on down just said, let's get this made and and to me it's not is that I'm not saying that like it's not some kind of extra credit, but I do think it's important for actors to hear that like What actors can get together and leverage things we we have a there's a you know, there are ways to hack things when we get together around stuff that that you you can you can figure it out together and that was That was very gratifying to me. This this film essentially being made possible by by actors being committed to the work and I'm going to be paying it off for a long time. I've been like if you see me in Die Hard Eight and it is if it seems if you say to yourself like he any movie if it's like that seems beneath him just Just go. He's paying off motherless Brooklyn and it's worth by the way. It's worth it because you made a fantastic film for any those people who have not seen motherless Brooklyn either watching or in this room see it. It's really great and Edward. I thank you so much for being here with this treasure. Thank you for listening to this egg after foundations conversations podcast. If you appreciated what you heard, please support us with a review or donation and reach out to us on Twitter Instagram and Facebook ad seg after found. We'd love to hear from you.

A Career retrospective with Edward Norton on December 5th, 2019. Moderated by Dave Karger. Norton has been nominated for three Academy Awards, for Primal Fear, American History X and Birdman, and won a Golden Globe along with numerous other awards for his performances. Norton made his directorial debut with the film Keeping the Faith, which he also produced. He also served as producer on Down in the Valley, The Painted Veil, Leaves of Grass, Thanks for Sharing and the documentaries By The People: The Election of Barack Obama and My Own Man, a Netflix Original. He most recently directed, wrote, and starred in the film Motherless Brooklyn which he produced through his company Class 5 Films. It will be released by Warner Bros in 2019.

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You were trying to a few different little systems as such so what's What does your business look like now compared to six months ago? So prepared six months ago. It is relatively similar. There's a lot busier. So kind of the seams of the Motown you about kind of put me in play worked. I didn't sense that. I didn't want it to change the start of how I coached how I peed how did everything online but more so just you know, keep doing I'm doing but allow ourselves to reach a bigger audience which in turn has allowed me to do so. In terms of like one-to-one online Ultima Online first kind of my violin baby coach Bela has again. It's just taken on fucking life of its own like in terms of like in terms of reach that kind of way. Like, it's just my client point of view. Like that's just gone through the roof. I get a lot more kind of one big deal trying to push back when I was told you last was kind of held a kind of interact with people more social media had to kind of just get more people kind of coming to me as their go-to and then from there I'll see that kind of leads on to more. Flies like an away so that systems and things I put into place to allow that to happen, you know went as accordingly and I just led to know being a much much busier much more efficiently Run online business. So yeah, I'll going in the right direction. You said there are a bite that social media and engagement. Are you finding social media right now? I mean I'm but I'm loving it to be honest. It's just kind of like again one big thing. I've tried. Set myself this year was to be more like creto consumed as in because I spend way too much fucking time on Instagram and on YouTube that kind of way and I was like, you know what I can interface with I can way I was like, you know spending way too much time and it's in there. So I'm like that's just for me to focus again because like the hours that I spend just grown mostly through Instagram Canada's replace replace with creating content for Instagram or is doing actual work and I was like, you know, what if I took time away from just watching Instagram and was consuming at all. Kansai created you'll be a lot more productive. So I started doing that a lot more. So my feelings towards is all the same. It's obvious. I'll change you'll be like take talking about very big thing, which I'm yet to really get on. Well, yeah, my feelings towards me. It's the exact same as it was. It's mainly who you know to kind of show highlight my client side my business highlight what I have to offer then returned. Hopefully just get them out of it. Yeah, since we last spoke obviously picked up was kind of common up. I kind of want to say around and we are talking last it's kind of a in the air like Bill Cosby thing. Could it not be a simple kind of still play around this point now where it's like chaos to say if you're not out of here than it is to me. Yeah. I'm not loving Tech talk right now. I've kind of had to go on on Ivan presence photo just like I'm not sure I could be bothered with us. I don't really enjoy it at the start of I've made the commitment that's on the Whiteboard behind me. I'll poach them Tech talk, you know. Yeah the week where I'm just kind of there. Yeah, but I'm fine with social media. I've had this conversation with a few people. Look the algorithms are really really pissed me off and Instagram and hoy Yeah, it's just your post the Sue suffocated like they reckon less than 1% of the following will see your post not yeah, because everybody's following so many people so may for example according to my Instagram. I'm following 2,700 people. Yeah, you post something on Instagram you're fighting what seven thousand six hundred ninety nine other people for my attention. Yeah, like that's it. I remember like I remember Like very vividly back in the day like Instagram my hands around was like I had like I have eighteen hundred followers now back when I kind of started that my like my Peak like getting most likes most followers. I can away from most liked anyway, I would bring it about 150 200 likes per post without even like making up a like a making a mass of Everett Dragon away. Whereas now if I make a good post, it'll maybe get like a good post like they posted one do other Say that's quite well, it was the it was the one that was video for me was like a video of me and the other side was like a some it's actually funny enough. It's actually I think I'm Tick-Tock. It's like some family freaking out over something online and it's me being all like head actually is body fat. Maybe you'd like to fucking burn more calories than you eat like that did very well that got like 70 or 80 likes and that we like a good post. There is back in the day if I had gotten this time here and I feel like I'm said, he likes the post by because of the bad post joke anyway, so like my following has Since then more than doubled since then but the likes and the interactions I can always just gone right in the last year a big page like a big big page. You're just kind of again. You're very small fish in a very very big pond. I ran something I was not on something that Gary Vee shirts or thing come from Gerry Weber or something t-shirt and the reckon that most people know I on Instagram have two accounts. Yeah, so so it makes that space even smaller. So if there's 10 million people on Instagram, I'm sure there's more than I don't actually have that figure of the talking head. They reckon at least there are at least sixteen Seventeen million accounts. Yeah. I got like that actually killed maybe you'll lose accounts or posting once or twice or three times per day. So the space is just getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Geez. Yeah, they think that way The root of my own instrument whether it's from Friendly Fire is ready fire. Oh God deactivate surroundings right now. I'm so jealous. Our last time was speaking to you. You were just you're just a normal boy. No, you're a model. Yes. I will not even mention that. Last year, so then about two to three months ago. We were just down back and forth its quality and he was like, yeah. like Hello, it's what's going on here. So we chatted away that company but like all I'd be praying to that kind of way. So and before I knew it I was signed up as an athlete. So like it's kind of it's a small of think it's it's it's like they're growing because I know it's actually it's a common enough that he died comes from chatting to him and what he's been doing the last few as you all say it like I feel like 2020 will be quite big with it. Like it's mainly just loud together like hoodies and t-shirts but there's a women's line launching in I want to say The end of the end of March start of April, I believe. If we brought your phone to new female athletes scrawny give some and Katrina Carolyn, I think groans - whoo - screaming. I'm okay. So hyah, groaning. She's not she's not my strength just stream. That'll be that'll be fucking weird. She's into the room and she came saying so you can see leave now if you want. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, no is that like it's a copy of that like I got like I've ever I would I'm very like open it. It's Graham and how I would never ever ever touch a product and I was like in any way if you have it, but I got this one here first. I think the first thing they got a brought out Tipperary. Sorry Grand isn't streamers into very I was or how I said tip, but I didn't finish off the temporary. I was right. Anyway after the back-to-back Beyond I always had ideas about my never ever ever. Remote a brand that I thought was an anyway kind of slowly if he so like just from that. I like I got the hoodie. I got nobody. I bought a paid for money for hardly notice kind of mind-body myself another job. There's actually is absolutely insane. He's a kid like the sizing fantastic the fifth grade higher in the Iron Throne the chest piece around the waist fantastic makes it look huge. But obviously what you want a hoodie the teacher to get away and then he sent me after that the rest on there and yeah, so It was a grad a break Beyond hoodie t-shirt or they don't then the line was to grab a pair of leggings something the female range. He's done 15. I check out there only a 50% off an order. So it's going to help you all out there anyone that is so anyone. Listen to this. Does it go outside of Ireland? Yeah National. Yeah Yes, actually what am I was in Canada there back in August, but may and August and then one of the girls over there my friends friend of mine Hayes client without a visit a friend his client saw that I was working with Them in order when I met him was like this is going to Canada healed. Yeah, absolutely. Don't see why not. So yeah, it's National was everywhere. So whenever you are here Canada, UK China Russia where we are gives a show on that. It's one of my core values about the whole shop local thing. I mean in my opinion is much better to buy off the shop down the street and online from the name brands. I think it's a really really good because then I just didn't realize they were International. What did you say the code word? As for anyone listening can get Disco Dan 50s rdan and then 1/5 down 15 the a 50% off whenever you're somehow it is make a note of that dude. What a loaded for you tonight. It's a nights. I just got back from work. I applied to classes on Warden. I have a few check-ins to you now if this yeah drone use just been typing. On the street and run your Friday absolutely absolutely flipping. I can't but you can I spawned out the teeth don't use those codes. Hold on just doesn't work dun-dun-dun. You step down doesn't work. So you're back to so you just done life PT sessions and you're just gonna have to finish my sessions there this morning go back at about three o'clock Debonair ago. I've few check-ins through for a lad online. After this call a little back into my for a few more sessions busy period tell us tell us as much as you can from a like a business to business point of view. How do you do check ins for people as an online? Coach has a lot a lot of pts. We'll listen to this. I'm probably assume a check-in as a certain way and I'm certain it's not the way most people assume it is. Yeah. So basically I am not sure if Because I changed how you check ins a while ago, but I'm not sure if I've been doing it that way since our last podcast because I'm not sure if I'm we talk about the same thing now, but back I potentially back with our last podcast. I was living I'd have a Google doc form. I said that after everyone and then they send it back to me and I'll be two days during the week days Monday and Tuesday where I was enough on Friday. They'll fill in at Center back on Saturday and Sunday. And then Monday I'll do half of them choose of the second half and I'll be upset for the week. Used to let's read the email and then type an email back to them, but I thought that was a little impersonal. Well, I thought that it was just the moment. They need to become typing it out. You know, I will be able to give as much information as I put in the monastic. So I did a bit of research and I found an app called Screencast-O-Matic and basically just lets you record yourself a record. It's over cause your screen and then it records a little icon of you in the bottom right or left hand corner of your screen. So did you know is I'll read the check it for my write them a little note. And I'll just record I'll because of the check and form or a video like this I'm saying what did well that week what they didn't go what didn't go well the week I'll go to the whole form what I've written down. They said the girls for the week to come. So yeah, it's it's it's moved a 20 minute per check and job down to like a seven eight nine ten minute job. So 1/2 like it's giving it giving everyone what I think when I'm going to speak to them. It lets me put like a motion attend on certain there's this on certain kind of topics on Himself bore myself. And even in the majority Congress text to read I think so with the video check-ins allows you to give them a lot more kind of a nice little Personal Touch. They can see me they kind of they see me once a week working online. Is there that face-to-face interaction part from voice notes online. So given that kind of video check where they can see me looking through their phone because that Personal Touch but from my end from Iron it just it's literally about half my workload when it comes to check it. So it's a win-win for everyone really PPS you're looking online PT and don't know how to start the assume. The check-in is like a weekly from hole, which is fine is just very very time constraint. So you need to just be aware of that. I mean, you're not going to be doing more than 20 31 the one from course our week because that would be who'll be gone because it's a nice idea. All these will be 10 minutes 15 minutes and calls and reality. They're not normally a lot longer than that. Yeah. Liberty should be said about the Google form. Cuz that's what I used as well. Yeah, but I started to find that people stop filling it in because it was a hassle for them. Yeah. I I transferred all the questions to the note section of the phone and II WhatsApp them on Thursday and I need back up by Friday. Yeah. See that's it. That's what I think. I was I've been doing that for a while myself thinking like well, I you know because like again in fairies like I don't I'll have the only time I have an issue with someone sent us a check back every Thursday. Like 3.0 knock on wood. I haven't had a point where it comes out and forgotten her has been too lazy in the back helping others have done for but yes, she doesn't that happen again. It's very kind of when it comes to obviously make your service the biggest as user-friendly as possible like in the point now where I feel like I take on and say I'm working with 25 our clients there. I get to 40 50 our clients the future and I find that half of my favorite checking back. Well, then it's case for why there's obviously a bit to come and talk to you because even for them. Hang on make it easier. Or user-friendly so what's up, they'll take it from there and obviously be a lot more ideas and then unfortunate them voice. Don't be black or voice of them back and then I've been to each job done. So yeah big even friendly Germany groups, like what's up or Facebook groups just for clients and we had open group. Yeah. Probably don't know if that's actually I've written on the board to actually make a client. What I do do already said to me last time was you mentally been an Instagram the best friend section your story. Yeah. Yeah, I do. Did not know it's only giving you said about monetize your last time but I have that purely for Chloe's name. So I have a kind of have one-to-one online. I'll have been that of every day. I'll put a few stories of their basic implementation see the content that way just friends. So to an extent I have some means of clearly there a Facebook group. I'm going to try out something about what Facebook group of the issue is but half them as best Invaders like I'm not acting face but also if you had about be there, but I want to review the it's going quite well half you guys when we get much from Affeldt, it's guys like some like lines to be kind of in their 40 something with their kind of do teens and early twenties. So we'll have Facebook's our world. So maybe on Instagram someone else's kind of try finding a platform that will kind of get them all and so that's actually good but about three or four people just listen and I'm picking up on that. So people who'd be familiar with Instagram stories and like I think most people just posted everyone automatically and there's a close friends feature and I came to my mind I was listening to something and it was this influential. Hundreds 200,000 followers don't even know who it was was charging a monthly fee for any of her followers to be on a cruise friends list and she would post specific content there. I can't couldn't tell you who it was or what the type of content was. It wasn't Fitness. And at first I just thought you money-grabbing absolute you're praying on the vulnerable here and then I started to think about it. I was just like well It's essentially the difference between your Facebook Newsfeed and your Facebook private group. You're going to have your Instagram sent away for anyone and everyone can see and potentially a close friends list that you could control not charge people to be on a list but do as part of a overall package of value which makes you know, when our kids were talking about the fitness industry, so it might be your personal training or maybe your coaching and so it's something I'm just curious about a saw and I know I'm on a close friends list of a couple of different people and people in business. Yeah, and at those kind of thing every time it comes it comes up on the screen comes up on the screen and green clothes. So then like me close friends. Yeah. Nobody else has he understands on see this lens even this is just for me and person acts as kind of a sentence or in any group fitness instructors listening right there. Create a close friends list and perhaps just have members of your class or miss your you can give more value to and then you'll build up your reputation would say the same the PT PT is listen to this have your PTS on this Cruise friend list. So is your clients are getting more value from you that the rest of the world are getting and help them get more results will help you create more retention. Hey, yo simple but effective. Yeah. Yeah simple symbols. Me Hi. How are your life's going O'Connor. I know you've been their lives to your three Sundays in a row. Now. I must be at 20:20 thing. I think it's been I think this is our fourth week. Just come by there. Uh-huh. Yeah, we had that idea. So I kind of had the idea where it was. It was New Year's Eve with someone's house. We're both. Hold on. Hold on. Yes since idea started on New Year's Eve. Yes. We are both very drunk. As most as ideas what happened? It was very drunk. Come on hear things like Donald's like lots of videos. I've got an idea was like lay it on me and basically the main events getting a point if they don't hear like the likes of people like James Smith Derek cartel those like that kind of Silent Fitness industry. There's not really doing what they're doing instead of being kind of like giving out good information, but being entertaining at the same time Johnny like they're like, they don't really give a shit. They're kind of those post kind of they don't carry the offense as long as long as they can to get their point across they're happier, but it'll get Deal with I've been a phone they're going to make for the kind of baseball garbage others. It's interesting to watch seems like there's no one in plug in their Zone and Domino and are already doing that diminish. So like why don't we just like start streaming? It's just like million have a topic chat away with it. Just looking to pay it off each other how beautiful this nothing to just put your casual chat that kind of wine. Just see where it goes. So I think yeah, I think that's a really good idea. So we started doing this I think was the first week of January you started doing this and it's like well, we got it. We got about a hundred and sixty a hundred seventy total viewers. We do all the following week and there we got a guest on we got for that that work quite well. I'm sure that as well so just have to go and so we've been chatting the last wire so we fears eventually what we assumed I knew we wanted people turning into a podcast just because it'll kind of be long-lasting where the people are still alive. If they're for the stream of the 74 hours for then after you finish the stream your day later. It's gone. Whereas we record these and make them more of a podcast, you know, see the Be their friend was listen to so I think we're really trying to move in that kind of Direction in the very near future. Hopefully in the next few weeks or so. You have to talk to you about that. But yeah, we do want to try a line of schedule the way to find a time to record it and upload it and like gives away I'll get like the alternate whose job it is to work for to edit and although each week that kind of way. So it is common. Yeah. We are Debbie going to be turning the killer streams into a podcast style means of content soon enough definitely do yeah. All you need to do is have your laptop open because you want to do Instagram life from you. Yeah top open as well, which I know you guys have had your laptop open. Yeah record that suggests deal. Where do you mean you didn't literally right there? Yeah. I mean essentially exactly that because I bought Instagram. I'm a laptops recording everything that we're talking about. Obviously the videos recorded as well. Chuckles mmm go on their podcast. Otherwise, it'd be a video. Yeah just realized how stupid that sounded and so right it's January so I don't work in a gym the way you do in terms of, you know gym floor and Direction January is traditional quote unquote the busiest time of the year for Jim's what typical conversations are you haven't right now. I am Athen any topics that are constantly coming up. The term we're in particular, of course, there's always going to be a standard like, oh, I'm doing X Y Zed I'm not losing weight with the Hales Corners, like right world really good things going on. That's explain to you. What's going on? The think is commonly coming around asking me about like the photonic band that came up all that you think it was like she was like surprised. You know, how's it going too much now, I've got a lot busier in says the like from say from our last podcast Binet was kind of I've had like a very consistent increase in business in the gym from there to now or no January. I've had people say I people kind of go away over Christmas and people say they're going to set up after January and last week the first week. I have everyone back together. I was stupid. You very busy busy week and Nails going to be very busy going forward, but question wise I suppose. It's nothing that kind of pops up to me that I'm thinking. Everyone's just asked me a very common question people ask me. It's kind of more fun of you know, I'm working. I'm working more with one-to-one clients and doing class than I am kind of even Dixie memories in the gym that kind of way which is obviously a good thing to have but kind of with them. They're more kind of obvious ask a question, but they're asking kind of individualized questions based on their needs something kind of similar in terms of the same common across that was more kind of individual to what they were kind of looking for a little bit of straight to my body. Of all who was the professor Gates by the latter was this going to be a bigger chest give it stronger where the Traditions the standard kind of question the crosstab. Nothing's really kind of common amongst the group of German. No, no Dental. Just wondering is there being any consistent? You know, I know I've been drilling into my clients recently. Obviously not the one the one skill on the the online about you know steps and neat and I just I think it's really really Popular right now for people to use especially after Christmas use all their fitbit's and apple watches and pullers and whatever they've got the track the calories and steps that the day and think that's enough. Yeah, you know until you say to them. All right? Well done, you know you did hit training for an hour. You burnt 700 calories brilliant. You've slept for another eight hours that they're so what have you done with the other 14 13 12 hours instead of setting them at their school day. Is that well? That's that's not going to cut it. You know, it's what we do. What what we do in the gym is automatic. That's a given that's a free one you like. We're always going to affect body composition with what we do in the gym. That's not the concern. It's the time I'd so when we're not in the gym, that's where the focus should be on people's Lifestyles. Yeah. So I've just been educating people about soon like so I've got got there a Tracker hooked up the MyFitnessPal. So do I not quite the calories that I burned in the workout and like no and what about the steps like no all but around 6 miles. Is it tough? You don't get the kind those steps because Were they were treating ya also ha moment that I'm a man to get steps up and then we'll say something like, uh, I'll say go for a walk at lunchtime says what if I'm planning that does not become scheduled exercise and I'm like no you won't too far. You can not hit start our door walk on my watch when I go for an outdoor walk and I'm like, is he your training session in the day and say no it's an Extra training session. I'm like no, it's not this is just something new you're doing is a cunt your training session as your training session. Yeah for a walk right past goes on your lunch break like that at your stats that say that I actually did two left testicle. Conversations because that I'm saying this is like watches for a long time because people first of all they get caught up in the calorie burn and then second to get caught up on their heart rate. Yeah. So the don't appreciate if you go to the gym and you burn 500 calories in 30 minutes doing shoulders and legs and I go to the gym and I burn 500 calories in 30 minutes and I'm on the treadmill. They are two completely different levels of intensity. I would be steady state cardio or for you to do 500 calories in 30 minutes just duo will be a lot of work and you're gonna tell him yourself or you're going to be doing like Les Mills correct on speed. So it's that different analogy and then people say, oh I was I was in the gym and added 60 minutes, but I couldn't get my heart rate up and you're like, well, what have you done the rest of the week? We like often 17 sessions. So, how's your sleeping? I've got five. Tonight cause you're dieting all of you know, I've eaten a lot of sugar and I haven't had a lot of proteins that there you go your quality cannot respond your body cannot elicit the proper response. So that's why we cannot hold ourselves accountable to these watches there are tone, you know, don't be a turn use these as your tone for for your workouts rather than be a slave to yeah that says yeah so like yeah, well I suppose. Yes. Let's suppose now it come January again. Everyone kind of a few I phenological as clients. Now this who have kind of that. I know them from the gym, they'll do classes. I've got a lot from classes obviously advertising people right after class and I got white boards. I put away the kind of the kind of no, they don't they have a general idea of how it all works. But then there's this the smaller things like like dale dale of classes withdrawal in decent shape with like that. Welcome, sir, like a machine or a waiter a squatter a pull up the kind of like good look this isn't the class. But yeah. Well, that's that. This is this isn't a class like oh, what was this is a problem but understand the class like happy Hunting the classes have a look at this like why we do this like it's on the class like well, that's why you're here to get out of the Class Clown think they're gonna be late like Oh What A Bit Stronger but a minimal so kind of get them out of that and someone but one big thing I suppose if it's all about that. There is a guy have a good for you. I think about four or five clients out with injury new ones in January who have company from kind of circuit based classes who just feel like I want to get stronger, but I haven't improve the class like That's fair enough. Go to a class. You're not going to get strong. That's just like in relative to of the Building Trades in terms of like having a bigger having more kilos on a bench press or a pull up her squats. I can always get Jelly Bean a stronger person. They patient that was a vehicle won't be able to through class. But let's to TT and see what happens. So as far as the kind of it's almost like rewarding people that make sense like yes classes. They are there bad their benefits class. I want to go up Bush, you know away test in the gym and a half an Our circle after be two complete different things that you'll be go. So it's almost like trying to rewire them ahead of that. Okay, you think you want you won't get from this class, but you want to come from, you know resistance training for you as a week watching your nutrition washing your sleep back and away and kind of only I like rewiring them to kind of think in a completely different way than the kind of used to which it's just a hard thing to do but there again like as we go along with that kind of kind of clicked really enjoy your third kind of understand each other like the things like execution like Tempo like like just like so selection how we place things top sets back. I said some kind of intrusion those things little that kind of thinking like, oh actually this is actually a lot more things actually not to compensate. Yeah three lots of just kind of trusting in the son of helical exactly how we wanted to go. See ya suppose. That's what leaking - so it's kind of commonly across lines here that kind of idea I posted it. I don't know if you read did you read my dealer email this morning? I didn't read this, but I've been in works at 6 a.m. And I just got over 3 p.m. Because I feel loved and I'll spoil it for you, but please open up those me open rates. It's titles of like the reason why Gary Vee and Jim Smith have had such great success Oh, I thought I saw that I saw that I realized all the title in this morning. I saw that it is the Caribbean has like these later on today. So that's awesome. So what just what I've observed is their message has been consistent. You can carry these for over 10 years and years probably for longer than 4 years, but it kind of only became popular in the 2015. Yeah. And it's just a touch in what you said my message I have realized in last month has always been so consistent to people who are a member of health clubs. Yeah, so I don't use that word very very carefully. It's you're a member of this club. So it's how you can you utilize what this club has and as you rightly said classes or fantastic, I think classes are fantastic exercise turns your great for fitness and health generally if you want. Exhale toward your individual goals. You're never going to get it from classes alone. You're going to help you a lot of things on the gym floor and you want to have to do a lot of things outside of the health club altogether. My message has always been to every single person who loves classes for Fitness is your life hack is go to the gym twice a week and do 20 minutes of heavyweights postponed legs Call It Whatever split you want and then use your class as your And your condition? Yeah, I'm at my message has never changed and I more started thinking about it. The more I worked three clients and actually doesn't really matter what their goals are. That's what I tell people do because it just it just works that you get the strength out updations, which is where you build muscle. It's were you can create conditions that the burn fat ginger metabolic adaptation and in the classes get your heart rate up for that session. So that's where a lot of people Get enjoyment. So a lot of people who do classes. Don't join the gym floor because it's a lot of standing around. Yeah, checking your watch. Check me on Instagram between sets World gyal. Whereas in the class. It's boom boom boom set after set up for set. So raise your heart rate up. There is your enjoyment there. Is you at your chaos Factor your endorphins dopamine Rush Wars on the gym floor. That's where you can get your testosterone testosterone Rush. That's where you can get strength. That's where you can recruit them maximum muscle fibers. So, Twenty months for the class you recruit muscle maximal muscle fibers, and then the 20 minutes of the glass you're recruiting maximal Beauty Systems. Yeah this like hybrid or what your health club has to offer rather than just putting yourself in one room. Yeah. I think my message is never changed enough and you're trying to the opposite to me in terms of I do it from class the gym you can you kind of do it from Jim to class because your film The PPT whereas I'm focused and group exercise just in my life. Yeah. So yeah, so yeah like yeah absolutely like so yeah, I figure it makes absolute sense like you want to obviously if you're someone who loves classic you're not gonna go. Well actually we're in a ditch or Classics like you want to be up there working the snowflake Gym training is what you need what you want combined together. Boom. Happy Days even enjoy session. You enjoy what you're doing, but I was going but I just wanted a for an hour-long session and then I had to herself from half eight and a half nine the 945. I see GMA 4500 RPM class and she was there so I grabbed it in our session is emitted in RPM is a lot. Yeah that you enjoy. Yeah cool have uh, uh fine afterwards happy days. So yeah, it's a case of again. Like I think any program, you know, number one. Of course, it has to be effective has to be something that's kind of tender towards what they want to achieve and it needs to ensure that it is doing the exact thing they want but it has to be enjoyable. So they enjoy doing Passes by all means let's train train me three times a week and then do a great do fucking RPM do spring class afterwards or another day. If you're Joi you recover from it by all means go for it. Yeah, I do like yeah. So like if someone does enjoy and I like doing a class I'll never be like no God we're actually going to do a reborn cardio session afterwards. I'm going to be very boring like Lowe's and steady state cardio on your off days. Just because I feel like if we're to be re Optical data that's going to be lets say you go to bed. It's about somebody doesn't do class into the Glasses already locate get started. I'll be more accepted like oh that's do this kind of kind of a spin is let's track your heart rate all the calluses to sure we get the most out of it, but I'm someone who can again. Like I said, they're like, I have a lot of clothes there who I've gotten from a great class. I've got someone from you know, sir class in the gym floor jack away with it. So they've come to me from a class. That's kind of like obviously they like classes. I'm not going to babe gotten used to they've kind of learn to love the whole idea of coming going go go go for a half very straight. So hop in the world Traveler. Or half an hour said that class, you know, they're not going to like that. They're almost like me. I'd lost a client that job done. So you and I can legally like if see if you suddenly like the enjoyment such an important part of training for the culture collection question for you when it comes to your clients, like would you obviously when it comes to like I'll have clients who you know are some clients whose cardiovascular fitness. I will keep track of like their runs their heart rate that kind of make sure that their power is going down blood pressure all the conflicts about having fun to have that attract, but somehow I just don't because it's nothing that won't attract that kind of way. If you have clients who? Want to kind of truck that side of things. But like I said, they like Dave do that 20 minutes a day in the gym and then they do whatever class they'll do then and use that kind of class as their kind of cardiovascular fitness. How would you go about it? Like tracking almost improvements out of Haitians within that kind of sensitive if they only like a class kind of basting as their cardio. I'm really really old skin. So I come from a part of the PT industry and fitness industry before we had apps and heart rate monitors and all that. Yeah. For but of being a PT that those Iain, which is a good 16 years. Not far. It's just that's good. That's good. It's ours. It's not 16 years 13 years old on 15 years 14 years 14 somewhere around 14 anyway, and I just go when you tell me what your goal is, where are you not. So if you tell me you want the improve your 5K tag? Okay, go white and run 5K night if you cannot run 5k know. No RunWalk 5K tell me what your time is and let's say they come back and they say 40 minutes and then I'll look at them. Okay? By the end of will put a six week plan together 12-week pound, whatever it might be to get them Dawn maybe 2:30. Okay, so I know my hair but sort of speed they're already running that and what sort of speed they need the average up. They don't need to look at that point. Sometimes you maybe have that conversation. And then again, I'm quite all Sterling I'll have them working in blocks of two weeks. So you have weekday, we could be we get a weekly we gay will be intervals. Yeah, we could be will be staggered distances. has I'm sure and that's what I would do. I wouldn't worry about heart rates or wouldn't worry about like calorie burner and we think that a word get educated on that from let's say this on our PA rid of received of exertion. So say go for a slow 3K run at 6 out of 10. Like if you break a sweat, you're running too fast that sort of thing. It was recovery runs and in its were I would I'm a great believer in intervals as a lot of equal work rest ratios. Roma hard minute rest a minute and so on and just build time up rather than distance. Yeah hands on the person. So that's how I would get a jit and a term in terms of progress and over Loop for them. And then what should naturally happen is there they should be able to see the progress and then because they're seeing progress they get more motivated themselves either consciously or subconsciously and then they know when their next time drawn is they'll already know what they're capable. Capable of they'll probably already have some timestamps in their heads. So especially now because we do have Trackers and not people suspect the Apple watch is fantastic for it because it gives you your splits and your average runtime. Yeah, just just automatically I know what their watches all do as well. That's what a lot of people my kinds of find amusing know me everything talk for myself my first 3K. I have to be slow. If I go faster my first three cane or two months. It really affects me later on so I have to build it up. So I'll just make people aware of that. Where's the Lindsay's the opposite she needs to go fast. And then she gets to a slower Cruiser speed I guess. Yeah, as soon as I get people to have those kind of tangible landmarks if they want to talk about heart rate monitors and other because I'm having this argument with someone who's also doing an Ironman and I wouldn't humor and I don't know if she'll thank me for sandals, but fuck I'm Santa so she is she's ready. The our mom books and she's read and she's been in contact with all these people who have done triathlons and are months and what they tell you to do. An Ironman training is to go for a 3 or cycle with your heart rate in the yellow zone or the Blue Zone. I don't really understand about zones basically say keep your heart rate below 150 say I'm why just all because it means you've got like good bluff towards it but it doesn't really it just means your heart rate is staying low. I mean, I'm very very comfortable. I'll keep it when I run. My heart rate will be above 170 and I can keep it there for 3-4 hours and that's me and my Ransom so your heart rate and how hard you're working. It's there's always a perspective to and given that this person I'm talking to is also a group fitness instructor who teaches a clutter classes a week. We are very very used to having a heart rate elevated 3 exercise and yeah, it'ii trying to fucking talk at the same time. So we are Pre-programmed to have a heart rate high even if your muscles aren't actually do you give it a name may be compared to someone who doesn't do that type of job? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I can tell you is that where you're coming from? But I do also I think it's very individual heart rate training and go I could do video. So your life's really all my photos my you gone. I'll bring you back. I'm back in this sort of more important. There we go. So some people are contained in the signs of that. I don't know telling me to get headphones on but I can't get that sure. You can't stay there don't go anywhere. So if anyone watching Ricky follower on follow Ricky regular coached by Don and follow me instead. Hi Kev do that. Hi, Steph unfollow Ricky and follow me. Hey, Ricky. I just thought we were just having a chat with you through your life. She was Tom who fantastic you are and just yeah. I can hear I can hear I can hear mostly in your hands. There we go. Hey, baby. Hey who says crisp? Oh good crispy like that. Okay, so, you know II totally understand where Jericho from I get you up late. I could see where she's coming from a her Point again. I wouldn't be very well versed on evidence going into Ironman training. It's not something I've killed people through or don't myself but I'm assuming she's saying she's read up a lot about our Mantra. I'm assuming that's come from some form of no evidence like some study research that kind of way, but I think one thing I get I love I get mine. Cell phone. I think it's very interesting. But I suppose we'll moving people kind of have to understand when it comes to any form of going my research at there's always that kind of bell curve Jolene and there's that bit in the middle that bell curve where yes the operations they probably will work for the maybe 85 nodes that people but then you got to realize that these little eight layers out here. Yeah, that's you know, they don't, you know, there's like three racks of math skills. It's a bell curve the bit in the middle. That's where everyone's out there. That's your perfect the word for the fancy months. Like that's like that's the norm. That's where like give the what'd she say about the 150 blowing thinking what if you alright? I'm sure if I have represented. I'm sure if she say that from a ton of research that for most people that probably will work best against the like yourself you're saying that you find it better when you run slow as fuck for the first three kilometers in to be alive Lindsay runs fast and fuck them. First three columns a goes slower than wrestlers. Like there's always going to be the bits of the end of the bell curve you guys cause you can't see me the veal these guys are always going to be a little bell curve there and it's always see these outliers here asked the car. That's the like the 1% that point five percent people who you know, maybe that bit of research doesn't by all means go with them Theresa you've oh, yeah, so I completely under there's always evidence based things is fantastic as I always perceived think about in Jerry going for with coding someone new or before always kind of start with what has been shown to work best. But again, if that doesn't work, they'll be afraid to go off the kind of the normal what it's supposed to work because not everyone's going to be the exact same like I saw like a blanket when she's home from But when you say that, I completely get where you come from fight like that mean I'm back baby very very well for the end. There's always that 1% of people who it doesn't even frame that could be it could be like we Lindsay's yeah completely there's usually of us but there's not that black and white you should be doing this at this intensity with this heart rate because we're always going to respond to it differently. Yeah, it's just her she thinks her heart rate sitting too high for her perceived workload, and I'm like, no. No it would be worried. And if your heart rate was at 170 you perceived work mode. It was eight nine or ten and you need them in tea and not for two years. That's a problem. But if you float is 5 out of 10 and your heart rate sponging off 180-190, like you're not in a bad place. Yeah, just just work with it, you know, eventually the heart rate would probably come down with training, etc. Etc. But it's just I thought I do your back that will kind of Highway opened. This is people Put too much on this on just one thing not just heart rates. In this case. We are talking about heart rates, but just one thing when it comes to training in general, you know, it's like me menu swattin and you Squat and you probably squat what 130-140 bath whatever the little while so I wouldn't know I'm gonna guess up for a few reps, maybe 150 160 hours a well. I wouldn't go over a hundred kilograms and it's like meteor can that squat that I did of a hundred kilograms and you tip and that's quite a 150 and saying Dan your fitter than Ricky when there's this big massive spectrum of fitness, and there's so many different Fitness tests we could do we could go and climb up a wall use there's a wall in Our could be a fitness test for someone be completely insignificant and stupid for Dan and reg 81 have a fitness test on a climbing wall because nowhere near our goals, but it's like two kids racing up the climbing wall and one kid gets to the top and saying, oh, he's the fattest kid in the room. Well, he's not he's fine. We'll all fast but that's all I think that people do this. We're heart rate monitors and you know, someone who might be an elite triathlete and say, oh, you know that guy Hi, Jan. Okay, Jen. Okay ban is an elite triathlete. Its 2020 duck IJ 4 point 4 point don't want their fan anyone. That's at that poor fucking point chance that he can attack trickier that that person's Jam. Korea has just done that trifling fattest person in the world. Yeah, but kind of do a bench press so no, but the first person to world because you can swim bike and run like come to do kind of bench press or body with so well I can so Technical and federalism that is the first allergy breath even though it's not Triathlon. I just swam like X-Men X-Men of miles just ran a marathon on their site on the climbers. Like that's that's fucking cool, but I just been pressed my body weight for 10 reps is like but I ran I benched my body weight for 10 reps. What have you done shit now? Okay. Now that's pretty impressive. It's all relative to what you're trying to get done. I suppose. Yes. So have the reason that was a real sex right now. So amazing you don't So my podcast is a first-time drug should be done on my podcast. Yeah, it's actually like liquid cocaine you just spray and store it in your giddyup. Now. It's a Sudafed nasal spray solution Jeff an affiliate. Like it's been for Unicode. I've had that for the last like two weeks plus it's not always it's not it's not good at all Ricky. I'm devastated ghost. Well, that's what we'll talk about. How long ago probably got about 10 left. They're gonna take over it. Yeah, well which happened beforehand Westar, I think lies. Oh, sorry. I promise. Do this the laser cutter? If you want to give Connor a follow, he's already live stream with its color guard coaching on Instagram. I promise you I do that. So that's just me doing that for clearly problems with you had good Madam. I'm a I'm a good person like that good times good videos up. Thank you. He's he's a he's restarting the septic a open and friends don't he's a he was easy work honors work in the west with me. He's a person and also, you know me son from CX and butter. Julie may have told him you'd be doing me after he's gonna get started on my coaching now Jesus sniffles great like it miss having him me and him would be to the bishop Edie's items. He's absolutely fucking killing that sense. He's everywhere from self then online coaching. Now you see starting to kind of get busier and busier now, so apparently he's doing well. He's really he's taking us like I'm a social media. He's post a lot more. He's getting Comfort to stories that kind of way. So he's he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna do well, Well, he's going to do a himself. So we're looking forward to see what he has to bring to the screen for you. I'm just curious, you know, because I don't actually work with a lot of pts on a business point of view who you're employed the way you encounter a baby. So what's it like working as an employed Pete 800? What's what's a the best way to build your business and be what are the things that you maybe have to do which? Don't directly build your business. So a typical example is teaching classes. They don't directly build your business. But indirectly they help you get experience a help you talk to the members except trousseau, like what are the sort of things you have to do to first of all build it so I suppose yes, I got to think. Like my gym westward westward left side has a 9,000 members to huge is a huge huge gym. So I think one one great thing that people need to kind of realize who are there is that you've got so I compared to being on your own like in like renting out of a gym is that you were literally given a humongous potential of our client base. So it's kind of like you've got to kind of kind of rejig house how you kind of approach that kind of situation, you know, you can think oh, I'm working. I work 40 hours a week in the gym. I do expect a class. I'll get a PDF Then that's kind of that's my job. Oh, I gotta think right. I am working 40 hours a week in the gym with 9,000 members. That's 40 hours a week. I have to fill out 40 hours a week. I have contact with these members. I've classes. I have classes with a whiteboard. Okay whiteboard. Let's write through workout up and then let's put a little Petey like at the bottom of it. There's white boys ready. Jim Kunis try to work out up and then like I've raised the bottom here Walker and the gym clean the gym up owners. Remember I knew from that class is go talk to him. It's a bad kind of understanding that. You know, yes, even though you are employed you are working for a manager work somewhere else you are working for obviously a company like you are kind of in there on your like you have your account of very radically but like your PT business is still your core business and children. So it's a case of how can you kind of tweak your mindset the point where like whatever you do in the gym is gonna benefit that basket. So I suppose obviously things like classes. Yes class that will directly affect my business a piece of personal trainer, but I can make it so it does show you I can I can I can after class cool. Was grit 31 with Don put your mouse away as X Y Zed, but also if you're if you enjoy the class when you get it student into the gym, give me a quick chat with book you in for 45 min PT conservationists. Are you willing to lose body? Fat the more so x y z, you know c'mere covid Chaffetz after the have to work out. Thank you so much. You can do to so many PT sir to do that at the end of a class. It was a typical sentence. We all say at the end of the class is thanks for coming to great today. Any questions. Give us a shout. When there needs to be a follow-on sentences, thanks for coming to class today. Any questions give us a shout 90mm. Jarecki and one of the pts here. You can find me here or these days annoy people know that about you, but potentially you could actually do a quote on quote seal from the stage. You could say run and PT sessions at such and such a surprise. I'm running this boot camp depend on what's a lord in your gym your appreciate different gems of different rooms, but it It's given people that awareness or what you do to get your stage you go to use your Stitch. Yeah, I will be there is one of my current place of work for now from will the classes she was saying to me I refer for the first time on what the board without user class kind of stream yet. I realized the bottom there's a work and then the bottom is it like interesting personal training Boogie with me - Dan for 45 minutes free part 3 PT conservation shows we have it's like, oh, well, I didn't realize you did personal training. I was like, yeah, I do like that. It says on my t-shirt. I'm a personal trainer. So no, I didn't realize I was like, oh, well, that's easy. So I just started in that moment later just from running workouts on a whiteboard that on a private auto white but I could book him a PT session. I've got a few clients from that. So it's it's really the case of But I got a pretty good climb up as I'm signing the gymnastic. I'm like write an email as our oh hey, how are you getting on snap? Chat with them observing relationship. Boom. I see you in the gym floor. Let's talk. Oh, he's doing EXO's X Y Zed wrong improving their to our heads of a better. Yeah, cool Bookman boom client and idea class, you know again like a Brazilian on a I like my name's Dan Reeves. I'm a personal trainer at the gym. You want to give know how that works. Give me a shout of the class. Only faster the Whiteboard right for the Whiteboard and I see someone struggling when exercise go talk to them it that you've got it. Of almost jig out of the most of Europe. Obviously you are employed by someone what kind of you know milk it to your advantage I got away. So you kind of do your job but also do your job Rob merger talks about it and has Birkins bitch called money. It's a good rate. It's a lot of it's about the history of money and a lot of its to do with property development, but there's loads of things you can take and how they talks about. You can be an employee self-employed, you know be an employee you can be an entrepreneur and then what's kind of being created in the last two or three years is the So it's okay you're employed but you have your own authority to get the job done. So it's kind of like the more of listen to you talk. It's kind of I haven't put it together before that's kind of what unemployed PTA like West would do and I know David Lords do it as well. It's kind of like, okay, here's here's the orgy got to work. Here's the target of how many PT clench you need to get. Go yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that that's literally it. Here's your working this time after this. I don't care how you do it you do it. It's like okay. I've got to think of a bit of form of myself. Yeah laughter. Yeah. That's where is the standard coffee shop worker receptionist, maybe someone working and you know that Tesco's our Supermarket whatever they are employed. So they're told what to do every part of the day and have certain kpis to hit all throughout the day. So that's where the employed comes in. The entrepreneur is you're given some totals and you're given a Target going dirt. You'll be given support along the way of course and then entrepreneur is when you're just kind of out on your own and you make up your own rules. Yeah. So yeah, it's kind of like what you guys go. It's kind of like, all right, you've got add another six months to build your clients up to 20 30 sessions. You might really focus in classes like in the studio Connor might focus on workshops on the gym floor, you might have Jan focusing on on nutritional seminars and you might have banned focusing on flexibility workshops or whatever. It might be so you can go about your room and a single I think a lot of PTS. Especially in the employed World in your weren't don't really take advantage of the freedom. They have they get very cushy with that like hourly wage. They have that's not that's what I need where the rallies like you could be doing so much more. So yeah, it's been over an hour and we've got our first question our engagement this shit, but then within actually ask for questions and want to say, it's Katrina Katrina. She's the other one. From breakdown me Rania her and then little idea. Where's Katrina from Katrina? It's a girl Mia is from temporary. Where's Katrina from a lot of they are what are they doing that I want to say. She's local level. I think he's doping she does it. She's doing this. She's on the stream. Is she now? She thought I'm safe. So our question is for maybe people that can't see it on the podcast what got you poke into fitness. Where did the passion come from? So let you leave without them. That's it. I don't think I've ever been asked that question before. You serious? No, I'm taking the piss. Yeah, thoughts start to tell there's a slight delay here. I'll become that's why what I have is I have a really fucking likes to stick esque as very thin and skinny and I was with some bird and she turned his yard and like like you're such a liar. I mean, I just know something it's all greatest in school as you know polar in between. That's what Sunbird this wig another burden next week. What a what a what are the many women? I would have just been wooing back when I was 16 as you all do. Um, she she tells he goes dad. Like I'm waiting of you might not like I show them things like over like she was like fat like, oh, that's how I'm just I'm just I'm like, I'm like actually like I'm far more built in you and I was like, you know what you're not wrong you really are and that kind of got me way more than it showed up. I was like shit, that's not okay and then like obviously that finish up because we are 16 and your fucking 16 stuff just happens and I was like, yeah, fuck this person. I'm gonna get fucking huge and I join Jim get it off me. I started going there and I start enjoying it all through school. I kept doing this in college. I got way more into it. I left college and I was like, I want to be a PT sliding appeared he guns and rpt now that's kind of in a nutshell. That's how I got here. So to foreclosure name. She was German. What's her name? Ah, I forgot her name morejon for calling me skinny when I was six when we were 16. Thank you. God has done bits alone. That's and yes, you can see those bits. Yeah, right you come there. You can tell ya I was different to that in some ways. So I was that guy. I started sneaking into the gym when I was 14, you'll learn about me Edge and it was 16 a bad boy a bottle. Yeah, and then I turned 16 eventually when you're 16, you got way more girls than me, but you were forced but you are 14 saying you were 60 and the girls like oh all of them all is like my I was going to say My BT cellnet phone was never stopping beep beep. So yeah the gym advertised for a job when I turned 16 and I applied for and it was kind of like, oh, what am I old are you I'm 16 years, but you can come to the gym for two three years. I was like, yeah, so started the part-time job when it's that was in the gym. Sometimes you're in the gym sometimes, you know doing lifeguard sometimes in the cafe reception just so you know typical Leisure Centre. It's how you start, you know, love ya cleaning toilets. Yeah and the opportunity key and to do something called which you know, anyone who's done this Location for updated something called Leisure and Recreation Leisure and tourism some qualification and all my friends were going to do that. Some of them are going to do a levels. Some of them are going to a university or Latin just like what kind of kitchen and you know, I'm just gonna stay here because I think you know my naive had when I'm 16 17 years old. I'll just trim every day. There's no I just I just want to work we're training as well get paid for it and it was that kind of naivety that got me into and it's It's not actually the tree and I like it's not the thing in the industry. I like it's the people and chatting the people and creating differences. Yeah, I don't I would never sit here and say You know when you're right, I do really really shit CV or Tender profile and it says your hobbies. I would never write treinen keep fit. You know that that is I would not call that a hobby of my life. I enjoyed being on the gem enjoy talking to people but the actual the passion is not training myself that maybe thought it was one is 15:16, but it's more so annoyed. It's just being in this world like this is work like look at us right now. We're sitting down costs chat about Fitness and training. Mrs. This is work. This is where there's a phone call before it's introduce to you know, it's kind of like this. Actually, it's my current bird if she if she really cared about you. She wouldn't have called you during a live stream. Let's just be real here. Lindsay's Lindsay's got really really good at not backed up. And you said that's right actually consuming social media too much. Yeah, so she probably has no idea. We're on a live right now. So you can say whatever you want like, yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to come on. Give me a tough five female is instructors that aren't lazy girl like that is you said that's so fast that you clearly said something like that before I can just see your in Connor just sitting written it down being virtuous. Come on the screen. You're like, oh I like her. What's her name cool yet. She's number two cool. We did on Saturday. I don't know if you saw it and social it for ores or Yeah, then Sprint I saw that that's like yeah, that was are you doing one and I'm opening like I'm like by track-by-track five of my glad I'm honestly gassed. How are you all still looking fine? Like Jesus? It's funny because Cara and I we were going quite we were being Fitness instructors. We were van RPM instructors and Sprint shakers and we were going quite hard for each one of them and then there was a guide on the right hand side who's a cyclist doors group fitness classes bodies a cyclist. East and he just got a steady state the whole way through sometimes stood up sometimes sat down and I did 68 miles according to my back and he did 79 or something like that, which is it just because I we were effectively doing intervals for four hours. Yeah, you just she's just cruise to full-time status thing. You just know I'm into something good has to be good. We should do more of these. I agree. I think it's good. Sunday at 7 p.m. Are you free Sunday 7 p.m. Let me check one of my Diaries I want to say yes, but it's going to be depending on personal circumstances and read into that what you wish famous. Mysterious. I like it. So basically Lindsay's our way on a modulus weekend, and I'm not sure if I'm needed for taxi pickups anywhere if I like I can texture because as soon as we get off this I'll probably have to phone lines be back and I'll be able to let you know so it's Happy Days happy dance with me. Excuse me. So where can people find you on social social media? You can find me on Instagram. That's kind of my main platform to share all forms of racial. It's coached by Don if you want to get reading the degree that I have a Facebook page, which I'm very aware if I'm bored of my proposed under a very bad with it. It's called coach put on private group from Facebook. Tick-Tock depending on the email list that's on my Instagram page everything I do is for myself. So my coaching my Facebook group my email list. Everything is all there so coach put on Instagram ligament. Out and everything just comes out there. That's where you'll find me awesome it pleasure to have you on pleasure to be on we'll cut the streams. You are listening to the Ricky Long podcast. It means so much to me that you would take the time to listen to my podcast in your headphones what you're in your ears, which are inside your head. Hope you enjoyed it. And if you'd back, you know what to do Instagram stories a Toons reviews tag, me and Dan when you get row insert podium, For sport sponsoring a podcast as usual jump live ticket links in the bayou and anything else give us a shoat catch you on the next episode. If you are listening to the Ricky Long podcast where International Fitness entrepreneur Ricky Long answers your questions and interviews Fitness leaders on training nutrition and mindset. Be sure to leave a review on iTunes.

#71 Dan Rees Second time on the show for Dan! Dan is a PT and Online coach based in Dublin, Ireland. In this episode it’s a very laid back chat about various subjected al unscripted as you will hear! Loads of links below for reference in the podcast!

Hello everybody. My name is Britt Jones and you were listening to throw back country music this week is a great week for you to listen to this show because we are going to dive into the career of Restless Heart. I interviewed Larry Stewart the lead singer and it was phenomenal do us a huge favor right where you are, please hit that subscribe button. It takes one second of your time. Time and it really helps us grow tremendously. Thank you so much for that. I really appreciate it. Thank you for downloading this particular episode as well. Now you can visit us on the web at throwback country music podcast.com or visit us on Facebook at Brit Jones music. That's one t Britt Jones music also on Twitter and Instagram with that same name Brett Jones music follow us like us hang out with us. Send me comments questions to me who you would like to hear on the No, thank you so much for doing that. I really appreciate it. Also, I want to wish you a happy New Year a happy. Happy New Year. I hope this year is filled with so much success and love and peace and happiness for you and yours and I believe it's going to be it's going to be one of the best years ever 2019. Here we come. I know that throwback country music our podcast has so much in store for you. So so many guests are lined up for this year and I can't wait to share all that with you coming up soon. So without further Ado check out this interview with Restless Heart the lead singer Larry Stewart. Well everyone I'm so excited about today's guest. He is the lead singer of the legendary country music band Restless Heart. Mr. Larry Stewart, Larry. Thank you for being on the show. Thanks for having me. We're excited about it, man. I want to just start off talking about this new solo album that you got a lot of fans need to realize that, you know, you do solo stuff as well and it's really good. Shifting gears. How did that album come about and what's going on? Well, you know, I got the opportunity. Came from my boss at five West Media Group. Yeah, and we do a lot of stuff by production a lot of videos and what projects and they came to me and said hey Larry, you need to make a record. You should be making music and I said really, I don't know. Well, you know long story short. I took them up on their offer, right? I haven't done a solo record and 20 years. Yeah, it's just it's a unique situation for usually a band that's together, you know still together. We're celebrating our 35th Anniversary together. Usually, you know, there's a lot of so loud like I'm kind of thinking but you know, we're not in the studio recording anything. And so I recorded shifting gears and got my college friend Gordon Smith is a world-class guitar player and prevents reproduced Ricky Skaggs Mosaic album and co-wrote change the world for Eric Clapton and his amazing talent. Well, we recorded the album and I'm so proud of it. So I yeah, it's called shifting gears for a single off of it is what's that cowgirl seeing me? - I'm fine with it. Now y'all making a music video to that song Larry. Oh, yeah, but I just matter of fact it's out. Okay, there is a big video to that song. Check it out on YouTube. Oh sweet so you to what's that cowgirl seen me Larry Stewart man it so with that being said Larry are you doing any do you have time to do any solo gigs or well? Yeah. I have done a few but most of mine. Larry Stewart games have come in the form of the frontman of country. Oh, yeah, we myself and and Richard McDonald Lonestar cameras low voice to the Texas along with a u.s. Army combat veteran dining resource world-class violence animated and we've been doing some shows this until we get about a couple of handfuls of shows this year and we're going to do more 2019. So I do those I'm going to do a few solos, but you know, we're we're pretty much in the midst of 35th Anniversary to us was hard. Yeah, pretty busy doing that and doing some Christmas shows right now. That's a big deal man, 30 35 years. That's that's huge. And you know, some of my in a lot of people's soundtrack to their childhood is Restless Heart, you know, my absolute all-time favorite. I probably got a tie between of course Bluest Eyes and then I'll still be loving you those two songs right there, you know, some songs like you I'm sure with You take you back to a certain time in life and those songs do man and that speaks volumes for a band like y'all. All right, I appreciate hearing that night. We hear that more and more, you know together so long and then fans, you know have a chance to to to have to think back on that soundtrack. And those are the two songs that we hear the most. Oh well for some reason Man, we're just so blessed of songs Just struck a chord in a Time whether you know, they were a little different for country music at the time. You know, we released our music during a very traditional time. We got started same time as Randy Travis friends or hot and Ricky Skaggs was you know, it's just more traditional that yeah, just come these Five Guys with mullets coming. Contemporary sound as very contemporary at the time. Of course now people call us mainstream country. Yeah, that's kind of all changed, but it's really cool to hear even young people talk about how he heard our music growing up and make sure they continue to put it on the playlist and you know, the parents or whatever, you know, even you know people today from college students coming up to his room and you're our College music more your music and college low. And that's so cool. That is cool. The Bev Bev availability of old music now, I'm smart phones and you know streaming and stuff, you know as much as it's wrecked the music industry sure have given the ability to people all over the world of all ages two to go and investigate and find music and find classes final music that they want to put on the playlist and it's really cool to be a part of man. That's cool and you Brought up something to just triggered my thoughts here. You know when y'all first came out like you said. And people you know that the Nashville traditionalist probably some of them I guess maybe turn their back on your they didn't they didn't just Embrace y'all but yeah, and so today's country, you know, there's a lot of traditionalists 90s fans, especially that may not Embrace. What's today? So what do you mean you got any thoughts on that? Yeah, that's that's exactly what's happening. You know probably happens in a lot of you know, it happens in politics as time goes on the politics changed, as you know, as music goes on, you know, all kinds of genres changes. There's other aspects. I'm sure but when we came out being the traditional time that it was the establishment did not like us so far. Well, I'll be May award solder the you know, all that just didn't radio stations played our music. I mean out of the box for some reason it just struck a chord and thank goodness for for radio. Yeah before playing the music today, you know, we hear from not only radio station folks, but from fans on you know that you know Louis I As in Texas Restless Heart that that's real country music. It may be effective only prepared for 30 years ago. When when Music Row really shunned us. Yeah, and now again, I you have artists and people and you know in the industry that just really look at that era as a very important era and accepted in the country and Country Music circles just How it changed like that and now really people that like our music don't like today's companies. Yeah, they all say it's not country, you know in 20 years they'll say to is going to be as mainstream, you know, it'll all change. Yeah said it now it's a really bummed us out at the time because we you know, you always want to be exact accepted by you. You know your industry by your peers and I guess we were accepted by our peers just wasn't the establishments just just had a hard time with the different sound coming out of Restless Heart and and it just really wasn't the mainstream of the time right? Maybe it was so well that mean one reason I think radio played y'all so much was because it was unique and y'all sound was different and today if you turn on Radio and hear Restless Hearts on you you made Italy? No, that's Restless Heart. You don't have to second. Guess all that could be or that so and so, you know, so that's a test for do you? Well, you know, I'm partial to this and still around. I mean, you know when when you know and Diamond Rio comes on the radio, you know, that's Diamond Rio making Castle on the radio, you know, that's what you know on and on. You know and Garth Brooks just know the Sun and Reba McEntire and Randy on of Alabama to be one of the great forces while time with the style of music will sound and just just you know, the style. I love the fact that you know, who that is immediately and g'day don't always know everything kind of sounds the same. Sometimes it's a you know, I had Lorrie Morgan on the And she said this Larry and you'll get it she was talking to someone after a show one of her another musician and he was a bass player and he said well, I got to get home and lay down a track, you know, and she goes lay down a track. What are you talking about? And he said, you know, I just laid down the track and I emailed it to the producer and you know, they don't go to the studio anymore and get that raw organic sound up, you know, and that's kind of the recording process has changed. Although you can still you can still capture that if you know at the producer knows what he's doing right and but you know, there's nothing like a magical five wall class position sitting in a studio recording a track. That's that's that's fun. Yeah, and you will always remember that time y'all sit around and recorded that track. Yeah boy. We spend a lot of Restless Hearts and a lot of In the studio recording our stuff just just to get the vocals the way we want them because you know that was before Pro Tools and that was before all those, you know, tuning how important your stuff we had to sing a ride. Yeah ready to ride. And took a lot of time man. Well going back to your latest stuff. I listen to this song I guess about three months ago. I first time I heard it and I fell in love with it. It's if it wasn't for the radio and man that's just it's very catchy and I just love the way it was produced. And can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah. Well, the one for the radio is actually the frontman of country. I was speaking. About yeah, Ricky McDonald. I'm too much low and you know someone who works with us brought us the song guys. This is really really cool the way, you know, the way it kind of reaches back in history and talks about how the radio you know, I've affected us all because honestly the radio brought us all Nashville, right? And and that's what the song is about. And so it was really great that I could put you know, the Ritchie and Kim with me on that and and I just love the way blind later produced it. He's our producer on that one track and that the guys allowed me to put on my albums love. I love green rigor. I love that song. What do y'all play it live when you do the front mentor? Um, we we don't always but you know, if we have time we throw it on there put it in there. It's you know, sometimes it is specially if we can rehearse it, you know, but while we're out there doing sound check and learn it but yeah, yeah, we love the song know with with you three is it? Tougher do you have to change it up? But as far as your like say Larry Stewart setlist, you try to hit the bigger hits or because I'm sure you can't fit everything into the show or do you or how does that work? Yeah, it's it's tough because you know, we we all have to Hitch that we got a proper role of the fans will be upset. Yeah, but you know, we like to touch on on new thing here and there yeah time but it's really what the frontman get together. It's really stored behind. Where the hits came from you know, why was written by was recorded or or you know, what a song did a story about a fancy and what the song after people and and it's just really an intimate setting. Yeah the front we had State and so it's not a lot of new stuff. We're really going back in time and then that Series yeah and I'm sure the fans love that. It's kind of like the blue the Bluebird Cafe on tour. Well kind of yeah, you're right. Yeah, it kind of is exactly the were up on stage and aligned and we go down the line and you know, we you know, there's 30 number one hits between the three of us. Well, you know, we can barely have a couple things here and there, you know, we don't really have a set list. That's incredibly honest with you. I mean, we don't go And that like that it's just off the cuff. We have final joke around, you know, we can make the body and soul laughs. Mmm people walking away a tear from a story and a song and it's just a it's just a roller coaster of emotions for for 90 minutes to two hours and it's a special every time me and you got me wanting to go to go to one next year. That sounds how your house can those Kind of intimate concert. Sorry. I love them. I love them. I saw Mark Chesnutt Joe Diffie with just their Acoustics. They did a little tour together up here where I'm at in Georgia, and I loved it. You know you just you hear the the song. I'm sure like Bluest Eyes you hear it in acoustic version and Pete. It's just something about that intimate version that just draws the audience in well, we can all go to a concert get excited and have fun as well. Out lock in and then that's fine. Yeah, but you know the cool thing about country music are the songs are just so well written in us and cooking music about real lives. Yeah that gives us in country music and doing those songs a chance to go just with a guitar or a couple of guitars and your buddy playing guitar and piano and and just in the Raw sharing that song you can't do that in every time I'm just you know, and pop music, you know, you got to have all the problems, you know around it, you know, yeah, you know not always there's some great songs and other zombies not wrapped, but that's the beauty of country music. Yeah that you know, the song is a song is a song country music is about the song. That's right. That's good. And then there's something about that for me, I guess around 85 to about 98 99. Just something about the artists in the songs the stories. It's just it stands out. It's almost like it's become its own genre of music. Now, you know people still kids teenagers no 90s country. They know who Restless Heart Is the judge they know who Deana Carter is and said, so that's that's a testament to you guys that made the music back then you know, it still resonates today. I think that's the coolest part. You know. You know anywhere from teenagers to grandparents out in the audience, you know, cuz they want to hear that music and then the talk to him and now that it's just it's really cool how that era of songwriting that era of songs that era of of singers. Bands and talent are still here as strong as they are today. Yeah, I just got this thing. That's really really cool. And you know, it's just a testament of country music's just still you know, Muse up songs or so still important to people. Yeah. And is it true that the country country fans are very unique they are they are loyal to the bands is that you still have some of your loyal fans Well, absolutely. That's why we're still here. Yeah, I mean we have fans that come to 15 shows a year when all those hours and hours all the time. There's a great they're so great country music fans are pray. That's that's we are so lucky. Yeah to have that kind of loyalty as you say. It's very unique we country music fans are just like family. Yeah, you know, And I know other genres are the same way. I mean just that that's the cool thing though about music. Yeah music is powerful song is powerful. I mean it moves people and I mean, we're in an industry. That's very that that that really affects people's day, you know something about a moment. I mean, it's just it's really it's really cool to be able to feel do this after all these years. Yeah, man. Well, we're going to play in just a second. We'll play rapid fire. We did this with Marty Raven as well. But first off when Restless Heart took off when y'all had a few singles out on the radio, and it was getting played and people started knowing who you were. Is it just a blur now looking back or was it just a some kind of rocket ship that just took off? That's a good question. That's kind of above. It was a blur. Yes, because when we got started and then you know started having number one songs, we want to or we be gone for seven weeks at a time. Well, you know just gone families and home and stuff and you know, and then we were walking and being pulled and tugged at so many different ways and trying to survive trying to get along, you know. I think it's trying to get your song up, you know waiting for Monday to see if your son was on keep going. It was nerve-wracking all the same time. It was it was it was different back then. I mean, I wouldn't you know, if that was an important time. I mean that was so important because that's why we're here, but honestly, it's more fun now than it was back behind even though we were doing the lien has an opening for the greatest acts in the jury of country music go even beyond that. It was you know, it was it was really something to be able to look back and remember what all we did, but it wasn't a time that That we I can only speak for myself in Restless Heart enjoyed. We had to grow up a little and get a whoopin and get us firmly planted on the ground and and and move past all that there. We kind of shut it down there in the 90s for a while before we all got back together and there wasn't that was important for us to do and that you know, everything happens for a reason. Even yeah radio was so good to us and you know country music fans have been loyal and and we're still doing it. So it's a lot of fun and it's all smooth and speaking of the Triple Threat tour. It's a Restless Heart Shenandoah and Black Hawk gets it man that that just I don't know. They that excites me because I'm such a huge, you know fan of that. Music now when you guys get start the start back up the tour is it I mean having three three bands is it hard to as far as set changes? I mean how I mean it seems like that's a lot going on. We're in production with that. Right yet. threat about four years ago five years ago. Yes, six years ago, maybe. But we did with a little Texas and all went together and you know, we kind of went through Growing Pains that it was like, you know, I'm an artist, you know, one of the Bands open and did 40 minutes and then you had a sex change. We're working it out where it's more seamless. Yeah. You know where One Bank comes out then really, you know, we kind of jump in on the second act comes in and jumps in there pretty quick. And so so we're figuring out how we can you know, mingle our instrumentation and our technology and everything to where it's you know, it'll be a little more fun for the audience in that's just one, you know the little more, you know together so Working on that mail or production teams are together. We'll figure that out and everybody's great to work with we all love working together will be fun. That's exciting man that I was just curious about that because I love the behind-the-scenes stuff and that's really neat. Well, let's play rapid fire with Larry Stewart of Restless Heart and what we're going to do, I'll give you a statement or a name or question. You just tell us what you what comes to your mind. For instance. I let's do the first one favorite hit song too. Play live. Versailles context a career highlight that stands out in your mind. Playing on his Grammy stage in front of Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. Well, that's awesome. Do you remember what year that was? That was when 1987 or 88 when I still be loving you was nominated song in here and we got to perform a little bit of evidence Radio City Music Hall in New York and I walked out on stage singing and I didn't realize it until I got to the microphone and 12 feet away from me was Stevie Wonder Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. Stand up I was shaking in my boots man. Obviously. I'm at that time and I was I was I did not have a sense of securely singer at the time and I was there was some it was sometime. I forget that there's a lot of highlights. No, I'm sure that that was a rapid fire. Fire. Yeah, that's it. Let's see favorite. You have a favorite Concert Experience when y'all been on the road anything that stands out gosh favorite concert on the road. Well, hello or favorite fan experience that someone did out in the audience. No, hey, that's not remember any of it. Okay opening for Glenn Frey. That was the highlight of the Eagles. I'm such a big fan of the Eagles. That's cool. Um touring with Alabama see we got the two with some of the you know, to whom with be between the Vince Gill: you know, we have some great. An answer. Yeah, you know, there's too many a bid Alabama when you have some great memories of Turin with I mean that that's awesome Alabama tour. Well, yeah. Yeah, I know and you know and rainy own was the very first fuck man. Yeah answering with me and Richie uh-huh Ross. That was a lot of fun to do that. Well, I am ready for with yourself. Well, that's very cool. Larry. If as every guest is just about if there were a Mount Rushmore of country music who are the four you would put on the mount and we can do this we can do males and then we'll do females and it can be groups as well. So we'll start with males if they think it's a good question Mount Rushmore, who would you put on Are for males or bands? well But they hands would be I'm gonna get myself in trouble. Yeah, Laura Morgan said the same thing I know so so the full right? Yeah. Hit the Alabama Restless Heart. Diamond Rio I just won't stop that's good. How about that Miss? Oh my God. Well, I guess I should go Merle Haggard George Jones Garth Brooks. Yeah and George Strait. Oh, that's good, man. That's a good class right there. I love that. How about females Reba? Yep. Dolly Parton mmm your choice I've gone blank. Well, some of the other guests have said Tammy Wynette Patsy Cline. Yeah, Loretta. Yeah, and of course the Red Land and all that but yeah, it's tough. That is a 10. Female because she didn't want to get in trouble. That's fun. It's fun. Just to hear that's really cool. Well, Larry you nervous. Yeah, that concludes that that's that's awesome man. Thanks for playing. Yeah. Well, thanks for being on the show Larry. This has been fun. Oh, thanks for having me. Yeah, and I appreciate your time and appreciate you inviting me to do it. Yeah, we can go to Restless Heart.com or Larry Stewart.com to check out his solo projects anything expeditionary Stewart. Music Coco, Larry Stewart music.com and you can check out shifting gears right there and you won't be disappointed. Left side. I'll send you a phone wallet using shifting gears shifting gears on it. No, you know Merry Christmas. Yeah, Merry Christmas, man. That's great. Be sure guys to check out the triple threat torn 2019. That's something I'm going to try to do and that's exciting. If you are a fan of 80s and 90s country. Well Restless Heart Larry Stewart. Thank you for being on the show and and we will hopefully talk to you soon, man. All right. Goodbye. What a great interview. That was I'm so glad that you were able to check that out. Be sure you visit visit Restless Heart online on their website check out their upcoming tour dates and go check them out live in concert and I am for sure for sure going to check out the big tour with them Shenandoah and Blackhawk the triple threat toward this year in 2019. It's going to be awesome and I hope you check it out as well. I mean, what better? Classic country. Can you find those? I mean those three together? Wow, I mean, I'm so excited just thinking about it because those three bands right there are three of my favorites and so what great music those three bands put together in the millions of albums and the number one hits that they've combined together and sold and and it's just it's just awesome. So I'm excited about that. Also, Larry Stewart has his solo stuff be sure you check out Larry Stewart online as well and check. Check out what he's up to and what he's the music that he's putting out. You'll enjoy it as you'll definitely enjoy it. So visit us again throwback country music podcast.com. You can also listen there as well. You can just click on that button that says click here to listen and you can check out the archives. We've had many shows already and you can if you haven't heard the other guests like Lorrie Morgan John Berry, Jeannie Seely, and so many more you can go to our archives and just go to our Website and check it check out those episodes. When you have time A lot of people listen to podcast to and from work on their lunch break cleaning house on vacation driving long trips, you know podcasts are so cool. Because it's Radio On Demand. You can listen to them anytime anywhere you want to anywhere in the world, but we really appreciate you subscribing to this show and you guys are in girls. You are the ones that make this show possible. Isabel the more people that we get more people each week listening and I'm so excited about that. So have a great week and I will see you in February because season one is now complete but we will not start back until the first week of February. 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Restless Heart lead singer Larry Stewart can remember the exact moment and place his life began to change forever. “I was driving east on I-40 from West Nashville into town to an appointment,” he recalls. “Back then, I was listening to what we were doing in my Jeep Cherokee every day. I had turned the radio on, and ‘Let The Heartache Ride’ was right in the middle of the acapella intro.” Stewart had been living with the song for a while, and hearing it through his car speakers wasn’t that big of a deal – until he looked at the stereo and saw the numbers 97.9. “It didn’t sink in because I had it in the tape deck for days, then I realized ‘That’s the radio. It’s WSIX.’ I pulled over on the shoulder around White Bridge Road and sat there with my car idling. It was like yesterday.” ‘Yesterday’ has come full circle for Restless Heart. Then one of Nashville’s newest acts, the band is celebrating their 30th Anniversary in 2013, and Dave Innis enjoys the musical ride as much as ever. “I think it’s been an amazing legacy, and it’s been such an honor to have been part of an organization that is still together doing it after thirty years with the same five original guys, and it’s more fun than ever.” John Dittrich, Greg Jennings, Paul Gregg, Dave Innis, and Larry Stewart – the men who make up Restless Heart have enjoyed one of the most successful careers in Country Music history, placing over 25 singles on the charts – with six consecutive #1 hits, four of their albums have been certified Gold by the RIAA, and they have won a wide range of awards from many organizations – including the Academy of Country Music’s Top Vocal Group trophy. Those stats aside, Innis feels that their career goes much deeper than that. “In the past few years, we have really started to branch out in the community, particularly our work with the Nashville Rescue Mission. We have hosted an event called Restless Heart & Friends – Music With A Mission that we do at the Schermerhorn Center with the Nashville Symphony. We invite a lot of our friends in the industry across all genres to join us, and all of the money we raise goes to the Nashville Rescue Mission. The other thing that stands out is the tours we have done in support of the men and women of the Armed Forces. We did some tours with the Air Force, going all over the world.” Those audiences have sung along with their record-shattering string of hits, such as “I’ll Still Be Loving You,” “Fast Movin’ Train” and “When She Cries.” Stewart says it’s humbling to know Restless Heart has made an impact. “I’m proud of the fact that we get to hear stories from young artists and musicians that we might have made an impression or inspiring them to come to town – having number one records, and hearing the stories of what they meant to people. To know that you have been a part of something that made a difference, the power of music, the power of a song. To be a part of something that made a mark. However big or small of a mark Restless Heart made, it’s still a mark. To be able to appreciate and feel blessed that we got lucky enough to get together. I feel like it was something that was meant to be.” And, the story is far from over, as Stewart says Restless Heart still has a lot of history to make. “We are still at the top of our game when it comes to singing and playing together. We’ve got some projects we’re working on, and we want to put the Restless Heart brand out to music fans again – to let them know we’re still here and making good music. We’re really looking forward, not trying to rest on our past laurels, we really want to do some new music. We have some fun things we’re considering to celebrate the moment, which we’re trying to put together, and reintroduce ourselves to the world, and take another stab at something.” www.throwbackcountrymusicpodcast.com Please help and hit the subscribe the button.

It's time to change how you think all of our thoughts all of our beliefs all the things that keep rolling around in our minds all day are a result of Impressions Impressions that are made on us by other people by the news by social media by our friends by people that we think are authorities or experts on the subject. And when we let these Impressions rule our life, it's extremely difficult. To ever achieve anything meaningful because even though you might be earning a lot of money or even though you might have a pretty good relationship or even though you know people see you as successful on people even come to you for advice. It doesn't really matter because deep inside you have that feeling like you're not living at your best. You're not being your best self. You're not really pursuing your passion to your best ability. And the reason why is because those decisions have to be made with your heart start thinking with your heart because all of the best things that have ever come to me in my life came from decisions that I made with my heart. I knew it was time to take a leap. I knew it was time to take a chance. I knew it was time to do something different but it wasn't my head telling me that I needed to make more money or that I needed to get into a relationship. It was my heart pulling me. It was a gut feeling it was an mission that led me to my Bliss that led me to having things that really meant something that led me to being happy and fulfilled. If you make decisions with your head don't expect your soul to be happy if you make your life decisions by thinking and analyzing and trying to strategize what the best path will be then you will not be fully happy. It doesn't matter how much You make it doesn't matter how many people look up to you. It doesn't matter what external success you have. There will always be a gap. There will always be that little feeling underneath saying hey, you didn't really go all out. You didn't really take a chance. You just did stuff that you thought would work because you thought it would get you love ultimately the thing that we're all after validation approval feeling good other people liking us. And we make so many of our decisions by thinking that we're going to get that that someone's going to fulfill us that somehow we're going to be happy when we accomplished a strategy when we make the next million or two million or three million, but in reality, it just comes back to that point so long as that thing is unfulfilled so long as you still feel that calling and you haven't acted on it, even if you've been silencing it for 30 years. It's the only Way, the only way is to really listen to your intuition to really really quiet your mind and say okay. I'm going to stop thinking for a moment. I'm going to change what I think with I'm going to listen to my heart and cliche as it sounds your heart will whisper to you and it'll tell you hey. Let's quit. Yeah, you're making three million a year, but this is miserable. I don't like this. I don't want to be here anymore. I wanna do something different and you'll say no that doesn't make sense because a lot but I don't do that and but hey, okay, then you stay where you are and you keep getting what you're getting and maybe you make a little more maybe your little more successful doesn't matter or if you're stuck in a miserable relationship spiral your head might be telling you. Hey, you know what? This is just how it is. That's just part of it deal with it. This is normal couples are supposed to fight not true doesn't have to be that way. You can be happy you can be fulfilled. I've experienced that myself sure takes work. But at the same time when you really know it's the one that's the one you might be trying to convince yourself and saying well there's this about them and there's this and I got to stay with them because x y z right, you know card trick your heart. You can try to talk your head out of it or into it, but you can never trick your heart. So if you don't listen to it don't expect to be happy. If you don't take the time to really follow it don't expect to be fulfilled unless you change how you think you will always feel like something is missing.

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You're listening to fear processions with parallel coaching episode number 6. Hi. I'm Neil Bergman and in today's podcast. I'm talking to Darren stock a body transformation coach and we're talking about how to go all-in 168 hours with your coach to get the results. So stay tuned. Hi, I'm Jill Bergman and I'm Haley Bergman over the last 10 years. We've helped thousands of Fitness professionals to get qualified learned Simplicity and Coach clients with confidence with the first to say that learning and being a fitpro doesn't have to be hard work and that with the right structure support and resources. You can become a confident and knowledgeable Fitness professional that is dedicated for more. How do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a Pit Row? This is the pit processions podcast with parallel coaching. A massive warm welcome to you. Mr. Darren stock or should I say grandpa Porsche now for everyone at listening. I've known Darren for a number of years now since yeah, 2010 and yet I've got to know Darren not only in the classroom as a learner but as a very good friend and mate over the years and we talk and chat on a regular basis and it's an absolute pleasure to have Darren on. On the podcast today, we're talking all about his journey as a fitness professional and more so don't deep diving into body transformation and bodybuilding. So a massive warm welcome over to you down and tell us more about who Darren stock is or Grandpa Porsche. Well, thank you. Thanks for the invite. It is a pleasure to be here and it's a pleasure to help you with this. Who am I? I am a 46 year old grandpa no accident. But yeah been you know in the fitness industry for a number of years been training for 30 years. So kind of 30 years Jim base experience providing kind of fat loss nutrition and fitness to each and every one of you see if they've been training for 30 years. You don't look a day older than 30. So yeah, very good. So what what I love about that and that's why I want to dial into most is is the experience you've got in your own training and how you you've bought that into the realm of your clients as well. Yes, you've been training for for 30-odd years. You're in your mid 40s. What got you into training in the first place? How old were you got you there and it's an interesting one because if we go right back to kind of day one before I started to start lifting weights at 15 16 at school, but if we go back before that, I mean over as Judo six or seven or scrum for supper, that's one for the 2nd Army Cadets between the ages of 8 and 13. I swam for beckles Kingfishers are trampled the lowest of the Slumber everywhere about medals for everything and I have ever seen The badge there is associated with swimming. You got you got past your 5 meter then I take it. Yeah, I did the five me is and then I managed to the six seven and eight. Yeah, so I don't know what Then I was boxing 1314 and I was in the Army Cadets five years soldiers into the hill climbing and orienteering and rock climbing and all that kind of stuff that that I went back to boxing 1718 after I joined the gym that 15 as I say which started with school initially and then my sort of between 16 and 22 as where my my love of bodybuilding really took. Kaufman that desire to want to change the way I looked and I found it fascinating that you could actually Do you know you can actually change the shape of your body with a lot of hard work? And that was what I wanted to do. I wanted to change my shape. So if we if we go back then to kind of be the 15 to 20 year old. Yeah down stock from a from a body shape perspective. What was it but fascinated you most about about changing your body specifically, you know, I'm gonna I've not with not actually had any of this discussion before so it's super So what was it was it was it a case of? I don't know where you you know, super skinny. Did you did you were you over way? What was it about that transformation that fascinated, you know, I mean for me honestly, obviously we look around the gyms and the people I work with today and obviously yourself people that you work with will know that most people in the gym add some kind of either physical or psychological issue, which is why they're there. I was never bullied at school, but I was bullied by my My mom specifically so there wasn't a real concert was a real desire to be bigger, but it was a desire to not want to be bullied. I guess, you know where you didn't feel like we were inferior. So then you know, I have to think that there was a little bit of that in there somewhere but it did get regime did not allow you then to would you say escape the thoughts and feelings you had at that time and that just gave you A sense of certainty you knew that you could turn up and feel a certain way. You knew that by changing your body shape for the better from what you thought that it made you feel I suppose powerful is it was is that am I on the right track there or yeah. Yeah, absolutely, you know. If it doesn't say it was never it was never in need to be the biggest person in the room. And as you can see, I'm not the biggest person in the room. I want you to Quality. I want its definition of more into the lines in the past than total mass. So, you know, it was never about being the biggest person. So therefore I would automatically scare everyone else but it was about being able to be control of myself Nevers a lot of other issues going on in there as well. Psychological issues that meant that I had to have control over who I was as an individual and going to the gym obviously allowed me to have total control of my mindset and what I was doing inside the gym and outside the gym, so it was nice. It was my sources at one point, you know, as you say, yeah, I could go to the gym and and And that just allowed me to work out that you know, I could do a lot more things. Once I had that mental perspective over my body and my soul that control over what I was doing what to achieve and I think that was probably the main thing for me, you know in that age group so that kind of your own kind of self-liberation. I suppose that's allowed you to master the six inches between your ears along that Journey. Ernie you've learned an incredible amount of knowledge to apply to your body physically and now you find yourself working with clients. Are you able to take all of your past learnings and experiences yourself psychologically emotionally and physically and apply that to today's clients. Yes. Absolutely because I think half of them and it's the same with everybody everybody in the gym the knife they started last week already been in there 25 years everybody. in there for a reason and you know It definitely helps having some form of knowledge and understanding of my own personal reasons for what took me there. But I think the generalization of the understanding of what takes other people is, you know, as what has helped me, you know since then obviously with my own clients because I realized if it isn't just about to say some people are bullied some people want to physically feel bigger than the next person. So they're not pulling it some people just want to you know look better aesthetically as I I wanted to change my shape knew that I could change the size of my arms or with my lakhs or you know, the size of my quads or whatever. So I went on a mission to do that and I did you notice but yeah, it's definitely helped and some and forming I've seen over the last since I've known you for the last, you know, almost 10 years now is I've seen your body shape change. You've got bigger. You've got wider. You've got thicker. You've cut your muscle. You've yet more definition. You've regressed and change shape again and and back and forth, which has just been phenomenal and I love the fact you you know on all of your social media will the profiles I see you call yourself a body transformation coach. Why do you call yourself a body transformation coach and not a personal trainer because you are put a PT by trade, but what is it about? Transformation I suppose that's coming back from your your whole life experience in the gym. I suppose is it yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you know, yes you go under qualifications become a level 2 level 3 PT of some description. It's instructive full of what you like and you know that part and parcel of the qualifications that you need ever since go out and work. So they're almost something that I had to do I guess but in terms of body transformation hopes the difference between the two for me. Passing out was going to sold to me was a personal trainer. Yes, you pay them 20 pound our 34 now, whatever it is. We're we're kind of up or whatever and they give you an hour of their time and you know, so way to the by coming next week and It wasn't always this desire to make you want to change. You know, it's well, you know, you will be getting fit you will be Dennis understood that the nutrition side of it was going to be the Forefront of everybody's real transformation. So I went into learning about the nutrition side of it so that I could start to transform people easier quicker better improve their health and everything else with the same time the results then that you get as a body transformation coaches. So when I people ask you what I do and we say I'm a body transformation votes. They look at you going out to come. You know, what that means and I just always explained as being it's kind of the next step up for personal trainers are very expensive personal trainer. They do everything they need but they do and then I do a little bit more and that's kind of what gives you that tired, you know, as you know, I mean, I did a master trainer diploma, but it doesn't really set you apart from a personal trainer a little freezer. Level 3 to agree to have that those extra add-ons to cpd's that you've done to become a master trainer, which makes you different but I want to just fully stand out, you know a market myself differently. There's a body transformation coach and Market myself in the sense of the you pay for a job that you get that job done and it costs X Y Zed at the end, you know, it's 2,000 pounds for 12 and transformation for argument's sake that's what it is. You will lose to Stone you will look differently in those 12 weeks whatever it takes inside that yeah that time frame and and you know what? I I couldn't agree more what I find super fascinating is you're based in knowledge on you. Correct get along. Yeah, so you're not you're not in an overly affluent area in the grand scheme of things and and yet it's how you packaged yourself up as a body transformation coach and separated yourself from a mess. Asses allowed you to be consistently very busy transforming people's bodies irrespective of price irrespective of time irrespective of their their pressures. Are there barriers there hurdles, which is just been threatening to see you develop as a coach. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely as you say and it's completely different you are marketing yourself differently. I am busy enough. Golden happy with the workload that I have. I turn down work. I only work with certain people. I have that ability to be able to do that because I'm not trying to do what some of the other youngsters are doing where they're trying to do a hundred hours of eat to keep their gym happy and able to work 20 hours for free or whatever I get paid for every arrow to be and I do as many hours as I need to to get the job done and I think that's what I love about your approach as a transformation coach. Getting getting a client from A to B in a certain time frame because there's a very specific goal is your with and guiding them for all 168 hours of a week. You're not there on a Monday evening and a Friday evening and not overly interested or or focused on the other hundred sixty six hours. You're more concerned with what they do outside of your sessions versus nestling inside your sessions. Absolutely. It totally control everything they do inside the session as we know you spend an hour me there's a hundred and sixty seven hours of the week. Say that you're on your own when we do a transformation. I'm seeing clients four or five times a week. So we're having four hours of PT a week. Then the cardio on top of that obviously about them nutrition plans over the top of that and you know, I live in their back pockets. I take them shopping we buy food. They put it in the basket. I take it out, you know. And that's that's how it is and any problems that people get on there 24/7 that's what you're paying for. If he were to come shopping with me, then what type of food what type of foods would would would you be taken out? It'd be putting in the full fat coconut for a start and that would take they out and so on. Fantastic fantastic Service as I know you have a small pension for glass of that Coca-Cola every now and then it by my my love for for Coca-Cola has declined over the years, but it I'm not gonna lie would be in there. All right, but that's what I love about that. You know something I've done with with my clients historically as well is one one person Springs to mind. It's an older lady that used to work with down here in Plymouth. And her struggles with food when were very deep emotionally psychologically very deep her and we tap we tackled that but ultimately what came to light was. She didn't really know how to she was 65 years old. She didn't know what to put in a shopping basket. She didn't know why it was going in a shopping basket. She just knew that she felt a certain way when she ate room. Hey where ya been there and actually the education we had going to the local Sainsbury's what should go in how to use Those ingredients how to make up a series of meals for the week was just transformational for her. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, I think the biggest problem we have today in the outside world is this massive confusion between what is on the internet and what somebody else might say and it could be a slimming group and it could be your best friend. Everyone's got an opinion or what we should have shouldn't be eating. I think the major misconception and the confusion is surrounded by what we're Hold on the news don't eat meat this week. Don't eat eggs the next week that you know fruits healthy and then you get married with a bowl of fruit. And then what brought Mary can't lose any weight because you see 50 kilos of fruit every morning but fruit is healthy. She's right. She's absolutely right because it's just been told that and she's waves you can't deny it but 15 kilos of crew in a bowl in the morning. It's not healthy for anyone but you know, this is where we're at. Unfortunately, and I think you know, We as fit Pros have a job to try and re-educate people properly. I certainly do my best and I hate it when people stand there and talk a lot of rubbish because they shouldn't actually be talkin about it at all. But they do they try to help but then end up making the situation worse by Sprout and a load of rubbish adding adding a lot more confusion to be confusing topic therefore adding more. No, and it's yes, you need a couple of it's a very guess you need this you need that. Do you need an excess of anything? Nope as we both know it's about balance. But yeah, cool. I want to I want to kind of segue back with this motion of body transformation coach and go back to the early stages of your journey again, and you know one thing, you know, we've spoken you know many times about is you actually getting on stage. Age as a you know, having radically changed your body body shape body Aesthetics body appearance. When was your so you've gone you've got into the gym at 15 you've gone through, you know, the Army Cadets and been active you've done it a lot of the orienteering you're gone into box and you've done all your swimming clearly your body from a very young age has been exposed to a lot of frequency of training different levels of intensity different modalities of training different time bouts of training. You know, I like It kind of fit principle, but what yeah, when was your first show and what was that? Like tell us more about that? Okay. So the first show I ever did was years ago now a big it was yeah, maybe it's 2010-2011 the Great Yarmouth just a local show, you know, very few people in it. No one was in shape including me. Yeah that that was my first insight into the scary world having, you know, been a part-time bodybuilder purely for fun and Aesthetics and the enjoyment of it for a number of Is I never wanted to convey that that was never in me. I didn't even notice somebody you could do but obviously in the last sort of 10 or 15 years, it's become so much more popular and I felt that it was something that I needed to do a for myself something that I should have done when I was younger and be it was a way of showing my clients that I'm able to do what I ask them to yes. I'm a firm believer in never asking someone to do something you would be yourself. So yeah for me to sit there and Eat whatever bullet born if you like, I don't but food spur 12 16, 20 weeks, you know, it's local if I can do it. You can do it. Don't sit there and tell me you can't do it because it can be done. So how do you learn qualify and Kickstart as a fifth row? This is the fit processions podcast for parallel coaching. So, did you give yourself for that? First show. Did you did you kind of did you give yourself a very clear 12 weeks or 16 or Two weeks. Yeah, see this is as I've learned over the years. This is the problem. Everybody gives themselves a standard 12 weeks. Yeah. I don't know where this 12 week diet from from know. I work on at 12 weeks in that 12 weeks. I know exactly what you can lose. You can lose 12 kilos. All right, you can lose up to 12 kilos anywhere from North Point 1 to 12. Yeah. You're not gonna lose any more because I don't think that's the correct approach. Yes. Okay, I could make that twenty four kilos at making these two kilos a week. You won't be very happy with me. But and so I have a set limit. But when you work in the bodybuilding World on the competitive world, you have to work back from what your body fat percentages when you decide you're going to compete so if your body fat percentage is 30% and you weigh 90 kilos and we're looking at you losing. Potatoes you're not going to do that in 12 weeks. So really what we're saying here is it's not it's not a guess. There's no hit and hope it's a very calculated reversed engineered like you say. So for example, right now, I'm eighty six kilos body fat percent for me personally right now end of October 2000 19. I'm at about 15% Okay. So for now I can do you need to lose 20 percent of your eighty six kilos. So that's what nine and a bit take you down to like 7778. You're going to stand on stage at 78 ripped to shreds, right? Yeah. So then you then no point six point seven a week or whatever .9 a week over 10 weeks. So point 6 point 7 / 12 to 14 weeks. It's going to bring you where you need to be. Yeah. Okay, then you've got allow you want to be ready two weeks early. Now you should be ready to stand on stage two weeks before showed a and then you might want to allow another week or two because there's bound to be a cock up somewhere along who's going to be a hurdle. And that's what I love about the the kind of a body transformation coach standpoint is it allows you to pick and set a very audacious goal on on the flip side? It is definitely going to challenge you and the client or you personally whoever's doing it, but we know we know it's achievable. Yeah, absolutely and attainable and that's the beauty of it is you can now sit there and comfortably you can never guarantee an outcome because like you say, you don't know how quickly someone's going to reduce fat or reduce way of what barriers are going to show up. However is for best calculated guess going that's it. That's all you can do, you know, you have to kind of say you work back there is you know that the maths behind it, but what people don't do is they just don't start 12 weeks. Nothing, you've done it for however long your body needs to die for and if your body's a little bit stubborn you might find cheap the first two weeks ahead of the some females. First two weeks. Don't do anything. There's a slight all what are you doing? Somebody else? I'll lose free kilos in the first week and you're like what we need to slow this down, but then the body does that for you the next week you only lose a kilo and a half and then the next week you have quite a team, you know, this about needs to be and the third week will always show you I've read the The lane Norton's contest prep dried. Have you read that or heard of it? Yeah. Yeah Line opens up one of my mentors. And so I am I loved reading all of it. In fact, and one thing that came out was the the calorie deficit or what you should be looking at losing each week and form an adherence perspective or a realistic end outcome perspective was looking at you know, no more than really point six point seven point eight of a kilo per week. And those those people that were set a really kind of a lowest. Weight loss per week actually ended up with the best outcome versus only hurt the person that's going after say 1.2 1.4 one point 8 kg a week. The deficit is so great and the workload so great the likelihood of a falling off of that goes up. Yeah, you you got the chance of when you start going above the Realms of Aikido weeks when you got that kilo 7,000 calories, you've got to lose as a thousand calories. Values you only th of it being the total amount that you can use because when you look at that kind of 2/3 1/3 ratio between food and exercise, so we're talking about losing six or 700 calories from food and three or four hundred calories to exercise, you know, you're not going to go any more than a thousand calories because 600 calories is a lot. Yeah, you can switch that lets go 3 400 from food and then let's burn through. Hundred fifty on an hour of cardio. Let's go in a 350 on areas where four plates. Let's hope we get it to me pop in the back of that which would give us that extra little boost. We might be a little bit more but you're still looking at a thousand calories and a thousand calories really is the maximum you can go to in my eyes and in my experience of however many people they were however many years now because you go beyond that as you say you either don't stick to it. You're constantly tired. You're always hungry or Minimal 5 to 10% muscle wastage lost that you are going to get you inherently going to get then becomes a little bit more because you're lazy and ultimately what it comes down to is is this whole regime is no longer enjoyable. And and yeah, we only as humans we only do things in a deer to things but we find enjoyable. That's right. That's right. And so as I say I started off in that kilo realm way back then years ago 10 12 years ago. No that point 6, that's the easy. Do you find it is if somebody wanted to then lose weight not just from say getting on stage. I think for a relevance that for the listeners is for almost any client that wants to lose weight. It's the same principle, but if somebody wanted to lose weight from your experience is it let's say we wanted to lose a thousand calories a day. Is it best to say be biased towards a making that form a food deficit or a Eh, oh, eh, oh, eh exercise output. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know what? I think that's a very that's a really good question because me personally, I would rather eat the food and then work it off snap. And the reason being is maintaining that fullness does something to you having a food in you does something to you that taking it out doesn't do so and my bike children fat so I to jump back in Baby, if I'm burning say 700 calories and I'm biased towards the the burning of calories versus lose net from food. I'm not actually replenishing the body enough necessarily to to recoup and repair that of the damage I've done from an excessive calorie burn. Absolutely. It's exactly that, you know, the essence of dieting is to eat as much food as you possibly can while still losing weight. Amazing though. If you can diet on 300 calories of food at 700 calories of exercise that's much better than you diet and on 700 calories of food 300 calories of exercise because you were too lazy to get up and do the extra bit because keeping that food and keeps you Fuller he can you for that nice to attention, you know blood retention. So you've got the, you know, the fluids are in there. The nutrients are in those fluids, you know. You get the fullness you get a better workout. You get a better recovery as you were saying which is the most important thing and there's no good. Sometimes slamming the you know, doing all the exercise doing three hours of cardio a day or whatever and then slamming a load of food in that the end think that that will make it right. It doesn't and you know, You have to eat the right amount of food for you as I say and try and maintain that level and make the deficit from someone else. Yes at some point. You are going to have to remove some food and that will run for 6-8 weeks until your metabolism adapts to that and you might have to drop out another 20 grams of carbs, which is another 80 calories or 25 ounces of the cocoa is a day and you'll get another ride for six weeks before your surely the early stages of that of that die. In regime of that routine making it as easy as possible for at least the first six to eight weeks when you do start to change the balance of calorie burn on calories in and start becoming strict do again surely that transition becomes easier because you've built up this habit for six or eight weeks when it was easier. Yeah. Absolutely. If you I mean I was trying to break a prep down into sort of three phases. It doesn't matter if it's 12 weeks or 16 weeks or whatever. Let's say 50. In weeks this particular one is right. So we got three lots of bars. So the first five weeks it'll be easy right you cleaned up your diet you've taken away all the things you should really be in you run into these really, you know, Pros unprocessed foods that it should be any way to be fair and clean up shouldn't be that bad because Coca-Cola comes out. Yeah, that's it for the Coca-Cola. They've gotta do you owe Bounty bar that you share with a wife that's gone. And obviously in Wright V is and that's what everyone needs no rice cakes, right? So first five weeks you should be losing that point six, but you can't she just be happening. You shouldn't even know you're doing it. You know, you probably don't 15 minutes cardio at that point. Then the next five weeks you might the cardia my God to half an hour five days a week, right? You're still not doing an hour seven days. I've never had anyone doing that. You know if the diet is right and the effort is Right cardio is the right cardio done at the right time and there's an importance in that, you know, it's not just let's just do some cardio for an hour. No, let's do the right card you at the right time of day and utilize time frame we have you know, And that's how you get the best results from and then Emma last five weeks. So then the last five weeks. Yeah, you're going to be doing the maximum amount of cardio, whatever that might have to be for you for your physique could be 40 minutes 45 I've ever done 50, but I still only going to be four or five days a week. Alright, so we're going to be 7 because if you're doing seven now, and you're on 800 calories and you can't get out of bed, and you don't want to go in the gym and nothing's happening. You're not you're not growing. You're not losing fat. You're not you know, your body's not operating correctly and when you're in that and when you're in that stress State regardless, all you all the physiological systems are in a sympathetic stressed place your right you're sleeping for six hours last five weeks. Your sleep is rotten. You know, I always check my clients in the last quarter four to six weeks. It's like every week that I check in as you sleep in this room. Yes been a while. I'm sleeping for you or I wake up every two hours right now. We need to change that because it tells me something's going on the carry on doing that. You're going to start having hormonal issues. So then we can look at that. So there's a lot of things that come out of the information, you know, the feedback from the client on a weekly basis, which could potentially stop them from getting on stage totally so they could almost sabotage themselves in that final five weeks. Most people do most people do I've seen coaches do it to people, you know, and the next thing you know, they're on I am the calories and get started. What are they what they call it? Well, they just take all the food out. So it's not like a carb load but they're taking all the carbohydrates out of their diet about two weeks out and then they stuffed full of carbs two days before the show and then wonder why they look flat and it's like your body can't absorb that when you haven't had it in there for two weeks. Yeah, and the body needs carbohydrates to produce energy. So, how do you think you're going to go to the gym? And you know in four weeks you are hanging out of your backside and you have to go you have to go in there and make magic happen. And if you invest the energy that you can happen is gonna happen. I see these people dragging themselves around the gym 12 weeks out for Shogun. And yeah, well, I'm prepping on like by like a hundred grams of carbs and 12 weeks out. You know, they do have an era cardio every day that's only going to increase and the food's going to go down. Yes. It's a CNS through the roof cortisol through the roof insulins coming in left, right and Center. I'm not losing any weight while while they are in play and if you're really unlucky your store everything that sounds like a real Catch-22 A Real Fine Line and balance between them and know, you know the success you've had yourself personally, but So I've seen the Transformations and we're talk about very shortly and for people you've got on stage because they've just been wow. Some of them recently have just been absolutely mind-blowing to see the before and afters what an error. Yeah. It's so to jump in is what going back to that first show outside of everything you've already spoken about. What was the biggest lesson you learn whether that be physically or emotionally or something about the the plan the the cardio the resistance element or the nutritional the mindset. What's what would you say is the biggest lesson you took from that first show that you said? Yeah. I okay. I will never forget that and every Everything lion. He is this story. Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to I've never talked about this because I don't like me for that show to feel bad. You'll probably never hear this anyway, but that's not the point. I had the utmost respect for this guy at the time. So it was a bodybuilder local bodybuilder little bit of knowledge. You know, I like to think they had more knowledge than me. So I paid into PT me to do legs each week because I needed someone that would make me throw up and not allow me to stop even though that is not normal in my genetic makeup anyway, but so I paid this dinosaur look so then gave me a dime and I ended up doing a ketogenic diet for six weeks going into the show the last six weeks in the show, right and I felt like dr. Over. It was horrible. It was really horrible. That was my first experience of a keto diet. Okay, so you're not only was it wasn't a great one. But the thing that I learned the motion that or what I took from that because they didn't understand the time the issues that I had metabolically but then having worked with Lane after that dinner metabolic damage seminar with him had a seminar with him. I then realized that the coach that I'd employed before and actually If that bullet damage through this Ketone style diet for a period of time which was too much too long unnecessary and everything else. So on the day of the show, I didn't actually look my best far from it. He accused me about week 12 of not sticking to the diet. And at that point there was no salt there was no condiments are has no sugar in my life. There was nothing right. I mean I said no to everything. So then to be accused of not sticking to the diet. I was really angry and I went to the show looked abysmal. He didn't show up that annoyed me a little bit more but then it wasn't until it was explained to me. What metabolic damage is that? I realized I had suffered exactly that and that was to screw up my metabolism for a length of time after the event. Where is six eight months before I could even really start to eating it, you know, and then I Those that this kind of metabolic adaptation was real, you know, I love about that is is how you've just added to some lots of like missing pieces to my puzzle, but I've seen in your journey as well because well one thing I see on certainly on your social media with your client sees is how enjoyable you may get help how fun you make it even though at times there's a calorie restriction and and things do come out with diet and my last few weeks of prep our tough foot. Or anybody yet. The impression I get is is it's very much blessings. You've learn from what you did wrong are the complete opposite of what you do the complete opposite to how you operate now with that if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. That because my experience where I am today in terms of the nutritional side of it. I've been eating, you know, let's just say chicken and rice and broccoli since I was 16, so, you know, I've always had an understanding of that food, but being able to put that into perspective with people has made a massive difference. Yes. I've got girls that get to that point, you know, the hormonal changes surrounding the time of the month. I might give him something, you know that just cheer them up for five minutes. It just makes me feel better. You know, I've been increasing fats. It could be an increase in carbohydrates. So we going to be junk because I don't agree with that but they are going to have an influx of food for a couple of days or a refeed meal notice. I say refeed not cheat meal during during that prep and you know, we create the space for that to be able to happen and then when they need it they get it and if that changes, you know their emotional or the mental state and that's fantastic because what I don't want is some He's going off and you know, you can see that within people if the six inches between the left ear and right here is in the game, but body is going to follow right? Absolutely. Absolutely. So one of the you've mentioned a couple of times and I've mentioned as well Lane Norton who I've done done some bits with as well. And you know, I find extremely fascinating what for me personally. I've never got on stage. I've never done any kind of I suppose formal body bodybuilding. I've not worked with clients from that. But I do I suppose follow the set very very similar structure. But you follow for my everyday clients. Yes, and I've loved you know applying verb, I suppose elements of a contest prep from from Lane Norton to to my clients. What else have you done? You know, you're qualified as a PT Master diploma back with me in 2010 2011. What have you done since you've done the metabolic damage course with Lane Norton you've already mentioned. Yep. What? Can you down to further understand this phenomenally complex world of nutrition and training? Okay. So yeah, so the first I think I think Lane was first up to be fair. But anyway, I work with physique Elites which were part of body power and that came about through Neil Hill. One of the world's renowned trainers and Chris Fe who is explain a little bit more about I know who Neil Hill and Chris where they're from Wales on this South. Whales yes, I know I know quite a bit about them for the purposes of our listeners. Who who are they who have a trained? Okay. So Chris Griffin is was part of bodybuilding.com a while back. He was originally started out as a journalist, I believe and then went into his a natural body builder. He's now gone on to produce certain supplements page muscle and he's got his own kin group in India with another friend of mine get chamber whose his manager. So about three or four gyms now, It could to get from Jim's franchise. So this work on a Chris comes from and he's the guy that developed the dtp training principle, which is dramatic transformation principle, which is all about massively High Reps and coccyx and all sorts of things has nasty works very well and we did one of those sessions if you remember back in the gym at well-informed. Yeah with what Jim did we go, too? Yeah, that was a big introduction to dtp training for me for from you through this Carolyn and and it was probably the toughest leg session I've ever done. Yeah, I mean actually bitch but Yeah, no, just you know those kind of thing. I've got a leg workout appears that you can literally only do every two months. You're not allowed to do it that was rules. You're not allowed to do it any more than that, and it's called the quadratical workout and it is radical and it will have you on your knees and it will have you Cryin for your mom and you don't want to do it for another two months because you're too scared to know what it feel like if you did it next week to go again. So you've worked so you've worked with Chris and under Chris and Neal he'll who's Neal. Don't kneel he'll Flex Lewis trainer. Somebody really big names over the years people like Lee Priest William, but neck recently Rani recently Grammy recently the new Hill he's the founder of the y3t trade in principle, which is about, you know, different ranges so different weights up on a three-week turn around and it's a very successful principle. It's one that I teach my own clients and having met him and listen to him in a I decided that that was what I wanted to do. So Lee really getting into the fitness industry was partly because of him because I went to him afterwards and said I totally believe in what you're trying to sell here. How do I get on board and been a part of that and he said you need to be a personal trainer. You need to have been working for two or three years you need to do this. You need to learn that when I click OK and I walked away from their picks up the phone and I put my level 2. Oh and you know the rest is history. But yeah, I did that level 2 level 3 then I did a y3t Academy which is a six month Online Academy as away free tea master trainer. And also the body transformation Academy which was the Lazo Freeman in London, and that was an online six-month Academy and again yet was through the with rehab jalali and people like that all they connected. So yeah, that's pretty much what I've done education-wise Rehan with the Sports Nutrition transport supplementation the amount The active ingredient of supplements that you need to take to be effective a respectable. What's actually out from the side of the Box? We find a lot of supplements out. There are under boost in terms of what your body physically needs. So yeah, it was laying metabolic damage Rehan all about supplements and nutrition in the Su attrition God's, you know, you work with Ben Affleck to get ready for Batman these sort of six pack diet plans got radio shows. TV shows just did a film with Alex identical such which is all about the supplement industry is what I love about. This is a journey is obviously you started off with me in the Marble Arch venue. We had yes, Ryan Houston Street for level 2 and level 3 and and some of the extra CPD courses you came down to our Swindon venue to do kettlebells as well. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah that I knew was just really the start you had this phenomenal underpinning knowledge itself, but what I've what I love about your Chinese you recognized actually the more you learn the more you can help and the more you can us and you've really Niche down. However cheesy about that is is you've allowed yourself to to be fully not just qualified but confident in your knowledge to work with both male and female of different ages to have for body Transformations and you've gone and seeked out the best in the industry from those over in India those over in the U.s. Those in this country you've worked on line to make that happen as well to chew top your knowledge up so that you can deliver a product or service. That truly does get results. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean as you say timeline with people, you know triathletes as you know in Andorra Northampton, you know various other people around the world Lincoln, you know. Hold on different things and yeah, my time faces eighteen year olds to 65 year olds. I mean, I don't care how old you are. But okay how underweight or overweight you are you come to me and tell me what you need and we make that happen and it and there's a price attached to that so somebody that say wanting to get into Fitness in the first place. So let's say they are on the verge of a career change or thinking about getting into fitness, or maybe they're already doing their Fitness qualifications. What advice would you give someone that wants to get fully into a full-time Fitness career? If there's one or two bits of advice? What would you say very from your experience what to do? I think the best piece of advice I can give anybody if they came to me and they were searching for somebody to work with I would always tell them and say, you know, you can go over some of these bigger companies and all that but they're just there you just a number they take the money. You need somebody that is as conscientious and Hugh are you know because my job to work I expected a hundred percent part-timers. They expect a hundred percent for me. They won't be 24/7. They want to take some at three o'clock in the morning to ask me. Is it? Okay that just woken up is it? Okay I eat biscuits or not. I and I have to be available 24/7 So I think there was somebody that you know as a learning provider who offers you same as what you expect to give yourself amazing, but yeah be the client you want to be it's always the way isn't it? So, you know like you say but yourself parallel coaching, you know taught me things and I put people to them, you know, some of my clients have gone on and done courses other one did one recently with the bank. Boomer body 7 trician she's now going to go on and do another course with that. We may work together in the future. She's been a part of time in six years and there's every week six years to see me just a baby change your job and all that. So she's now looking to do something within the nutrition side of the fitness industry based on what you've learned from me, which is great. So yeah, always look for the right best dentists. Look at the provider that everybody uses somebody that's going to look after you cares about you as Acid so many many people believe that you know changing career can be challenging. It's overwhelming and it's almost it's almost like too much to handle. Why do you think people believe that say starting out in Fitness or changing career into fitness as an example or any career for that matter? Why do you think people find it overwhelming? Yeah, I think you know as you say it's turned into any personal fitness itself is more overwhelming than a builder or happened to me, but I'll change. In busy it brings on the pier doesn't it? And as you know, you know the fears that we have instilled it still by us not all worth it you get there over time. So, you know people are scared to make that initial jump. They're worried about the money coming in or you know, any concern certainly wouldn't go work for somebody where you're and 300 400 pounds a month right now. So a Valentine's or someone and you give them phones. Yeah. Immediate physical fight it before you've even started favorite fear and fear of failure and feeling nervous feeling anxious very their emotions emotions. Yes as simple as being happy. Joyful and excited never to have an emotion and they yeah, they they can come and go as quickly as a heartbeat yet so many people from from where from what I experienced aliens talking to are parallel Learners and a nose that we support that with other. Any providers they're crippled by this overwhelm this fear that stops them from moving forward all together. What advice do you give give somebody to break free of that of that overwhelm bat that fear? Okay. So what I would say to my clients, there's no I have fears around some doesn't matter what it is. It could be spiders. It could be gravy as and it could be learning to become a pimp through your fear is your fear and I always say the magic The social standing of the bottom of a mountain and looking up at the top. Okay. Now you stand there and you look up you think that's going to take me like days together. But the longer you stand down there thinking about it less likely that's actually going to just put one foot in front of the other and yourself. Okay have the confidence in your own ability to be able to walk but left in front of right in front of left in front of right and the next thing you know, you'll upload your at the top looking down going that was easy. So how do you learn qualify and kick-start a zap it broke. This is the fit processions podcast for parallel coaching. It's a belief and confidence absolutely self belief and self confidence. Don't let that fear overtake don't override. You being controlled? that so so little even on leaving on to that and I think you know, I think so some of the the fears that I hear about daily certainly with, you know, I get to speak to literally hundreds of training fit Pros every week from those with parallel and Bows, but with other providers and they talked about this this report that after 18 months so many people are no longer in Fitness and you know from my research It's very icy percent of those with start out in coaching or Fitness or within the coaching realm so that could be not just say within PT but it could be within Sports Therapy. It could be in any other therapy. But within 18 months people are those people 80% are out of the industry. Why do you think people are falling victim to the industry and giving up? Okay. I think I don't think the industry itself general term, but I think it's usually the Individual and I've met fit groans that have been absolutely awesome but on a parts and then I've met people who are absolutely shocking as Pit Road, but constantly busy. Yeah, so it's not you know, nothing. I've said to some people, you know, it's a real shame because you're one of those people that just won't come back in two or three years time, but you make a great ET and it is hard to find that balance, but it is about being self-employed. it's about having that ability again and the confidence in yourself as an individual and what you're trying to teach and then been able to sell that and it is a hard industry because it's a continual to rotation time to know they come in like seats just for argument's sake but my world with a 12-week Transformations can it be 12 weeks ago so really what we're saying is you've done all of the courses all of the qualifications got all of that knowledge to to A particular result and I believe what what Fitness professionals love doing most is actually just working with the client. But that's the hardest thing is how do I get my client in the first place? How do I get a referral out of that client? But also once a client leaves, how do I go and get another client? And another guy? That's right. Let's continue. The underpinning thing. Here is is we as and I was guilty of this for many years when I first started out is I loved the process of actually working with the client what I Tickly enjoy or appreciate or value was the underpinning self-employed business aspect of our industry. Yeah, absolutely. And that's hard. So people come to me for different things, but when that job is done if done they're normally gone. Yeah, so then it's like right now I need another one and that you can't have an overlap with The Gap because it was you're the only one. Yeah, so you like but this one's going to finish in three weeks. Let's get another one ready. Right? Sometimes I put people off but start them two weeks later because they're filling the Gap, but no, I don't want to be inundated with work for three weeks what I really What is that person to start Republic time and that comes down to having again for belief and confidence that that client is is a going to wait for you because yes and not going to go to another another trainer, but then you've positioned yourself not as a personal trainer, like everybody else for Mercy's you've positioned yourself as a body transformation coach tourism. There's a key couple of lessons in there isn't there. Yeah, because people come and find me you want me, you know, it's what I do they Go in any gym that they like fine. It's the Wall of Shame of all the pictures that mug shots. I mean dumping PT then you did they got it. Yeah. Is that person going to be able to do for them what they need to be done that they're not really sure yet, but they know they can see my results that spoken to people I work with they do who I am our do it, but it must if they come to me. I don't really have to worry too much. They're going to go somewhere else. Yep. So let's take some of the people you've worked with then if it's okay with you you don't necessarily have to name names. But who would you say has been your number one? Body transformation, whereby they not necessarily got onstage. Maybe they have but who are you most who you most proud of and tell us a little bit about that Journey. So probably about a couple I think they're on par for different reasons. Neither of them have ever created. So yes, obviously a transformation from somebody who's in shape to being straight edge. Is still a transformation in itself and it always excites seven Transportation goes but the people that I have the utmost respect for those that come to me that were 20 30 kilos overweight and then lost 10 kilos of that and then and I had I've got one girl that still working with me now. She's lost 30 kilos and issues a hundred eight, which is now 18 attention ratings born half or something other week. She needs to be should be followed. She knows that but we are over up with it. Okay? Okay. Yes. We've been working for some time. My weight has gone down from backup free videos and down sixth graders come back up through here. I've experienced everything River but within that experience for her, I'm always learning. So how quality of life must be radically different amazing absolutely amazing and to tie these two together. There was another girl that did three transportation for back-to-back, right? There's a little bit of time in between difference between so the person second one part of in like six weeks apart. Then I think was about six months between two and three which she came and lost Ten kilos the first time 12 kilos and x 5 and 10 kilos and exhale whatever each time to smash the outer part that each 30-odd kilos. Wow. Yeah, two grand a pop. So she spent six hours of power will be over two years or whatever because you work with me just going to PT level as well before and after that we had a reverse that will kind of expand out of the back of the transformation. Why don't you I really love about that is it goes against the grain, you know? I'm a firm believer, you know, once one PT isn't isn't dead in our industry far from it, but not like what I do believe doesn't necessarily get results. Is this kind of paper our versus pay this is paper result. It's an open-ended goal, isn't it? And yes, you know as well as an opportunity to is for too much money. Not enough paycheck and and some and suddenly a session has gone in week 4 of the month because the client had an mot on their car come in and yeah, we usually about now actually everyone drops out of Christmas and the end of November because they don't have saved over to the user November paycheck. So I have 10 people drop out at the center and it happens every year. I think I'm january-february. You get a whole load of new people versus met were always able to afford it in the grand scheme of things because actually they just did a budget publish like this transformation, but then you deliver a very specific result. It's a package you're buying a package you're buying a nutrition plan and training program. You're buying that Our face time you're buying it 24/7 proximity. We've guaranteed you've guaranteed to lose X Y Zed. Otherwise you get your money back. Yeah, you know, it's a whole different thing, but what we can do this in that time frame not well if you just come and pay me for a pound a week or whatever. We'll see where you are in six months time and also need, you know to you need a lot of weekly clients pay per hour to make Okay money versus you only need a couple of clients per month. Let's see thousand pound of pot before you are in a very different financial situation, which could again explain why you've been in the industry coming up to your tenth Year? Yes. Yes it is that yeah decade getting old grandpa Porsche. So of our parallel courses on the specialist courses around level for to kind of just add another string to your bow on you as well. But we talk about that shortly talk about say what have you got one one or two case studies where you have got somebody on stage and you've had a phenomenal result and you're really proud of what they achieved of are placing. Yeah. Absolutely, right? Okay, so a couple really Mustache goes everything to me that wanted to be on stage and never competed before I just went over as a client for a number of years and I knew his feelings when I write it physically to be able to do something. So we started to do a little bit of a diet. Please thought about, you know, contemplated the idea of perception on stage and identify arranged for her posing classes with a friend of mine over nesset. So We went over there one Sunday went to the country club, you know in a little Studio drugs opposed classes at this person. Joanna was doing the Fit Factory body power. She was she was organized and she was one of the judges she said to me hear you really good shape. He you do really well like, you know, it must be a factor. So this girl was like, you know, we're time to do it do it. It's not a problem. Jimbo of May is a whole body power the whole a funny type of 70,000 people and she just goes up there and just Wings it will try, you know, and ends up with like hundreds welcome vibrating goodies and left me in tears also mistake that was phenomenal. Then I had a brother and sister come to me the sister came to me first, they both got phenomenal genetics and she ever been before. She was anorexic when I first met her she waited about forty six kilos. I think wow and she's 22 23 years old both five but six she was Tiny. So we worked on you know sighs we've got our up to and have her on stage exit at 50 kilos forty nine point six or something gross looks very straight shade under peeling. shredded bigger than what she was rich, ninety six months beforehand 46 kilos when she lived till and she got a third place in the load the show that PCA College. Wow, and that gave us an invite to the British finals in the October. Wow. So we turned up to the British finals. She beat the girl the British the British finals. She beat the girl that second at Norwich who they think six at the final so she outclassed her we had the pictures of Norwich and we have the pictures of Birmingham the final She was pick up for a lot. She's a fat second shows his first show. This is like six months apart. So not only as we put 6 kilos on a train and made an abortion, but then we'd also managed to make a little bigger but still coming on stayed exactly the same way in the November October and and then she got a world invite from the British invite and this is a girl who never been here before. So wow. Yeah, it was knowing what I know it's a you know, as a person as a lover of bodybuilding Senate proceed to do that without I could change that. All right taking somebody from not really thought about competing and and having various can you know concerns with her own body in terms of food and you've been generous and anorexia in terms of like that the emotions behind that this isn't the podcast to explore explore that is as a topic. but when to work with to change her views of food check or work with her on her values and beliefs around food and body image to go on and do a local show vented to place and be go to a Nationals and then get an invite to the world is, you know, again that all of your first year holding your first hit from your clients Journeys, what would you say is for secret Source fee for you as the coach to assist in the clients Journey. What's the secret sauce that imagine? There's lots of things if you just took one or two things Max right now that made this happen, but you were an integral part of their Journey what is lat? Secret sauce, I just you know what? I think you know, you have the best diet in the world even at the best training program in the world. None of them matter if you don't have the mentality. T you have to be happy happiness, well your stress and the stress we're not going to losing weight simple as that, you know, so I've always tried to keep my client scrambled. I know how important it is for me, you know, my wife won't tell me things that will upset me in the last four weeks of be going onstage because I don't need the stress. Yeah, that's the time frame when you're eating the least amount of food cost. The den the most amount of work possible within periods. So it's the toughest part that loudly know that last trimester shall we say the last third and yeah, I don't want to hear that someone I don't know as died or so irrelevant. So if it's going to dress me she won't tell me so so everything of of the nutritional game irrespective of game in the gym, what it comes down to is managing the top three inches. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's the mindset that I'm going to send the mindset because if they're not in the game mentally they're not going to do the diet. Going to go to the gym and fine, but they're not in an open. One of the tanks. We got the energy is managing stress. I want to move on I got a couple of learner questions. So I put an email out to our parallel community and you've seen some of these questions already and I just want to address the so Darren RC says I've just finished a book called bigger leaner stronger. I'm not sure if you've read that at all. I had a personally I had a quick look on the on the old Google for it. He couldn't believe that the author claims that to build muscle The Sweet Spot of Rex is 4 to 6 reps. Darren's just finished his PT. Sebastian, you know. The one thing we talk about is hypertrophy is in a rep range of 8 to 12 rep max. So Aaron's question is my question is from reading the book as long as you progress in way or overload. Can you build muscle where any rep range or is it 8 to 12 specifically proven to be the best don't know you can build muscle and any rep range as long as Those horrifying things are in order one of her favorite food aggressive overload asleep. You know you have to have what is about Building muscle is easy to a degree. It's not as hard as people think but it's not easy because if you don't eat and that goes with that goes with eating the right amount of food at the same time that you know, you'll wait to going up to allow you the energy to continue button the weights up so that you can continually get stronger. You have to go to the muscle fibers to gain the strength that allows you to pick the next wait up. So yeah any rep range will work in a getting done back to say Chris kept Mill Hill you looking at Neil using three different ranges over three weeks appreciation only High Reps. That's what Chris is built amazing physique natural physique, which is one bodybuilding shows. So yeah, I think what it comes down to really is is other variables outside of just the rep range because obviously if you're going to do four reps at let's say two seconds up two seconds down. That's yeah four seconds per rep across four reps at 16 seconds per set. It's probably a bit quicker than that based on four reps is probably going to be well would be very heavy. To achieve overload for RM so that the time under tension for one rep is probably going to be quicker than two up two down. So yes, when you take a set of 12 rep max or you know something, you know, you talk about further dtp program where you're doing. Yeah, they 30 40 Reps for time under tension or the exposure to that particular load is going to be far greater compared to safe for reps. So yes, the more you've got more exposure to The Eccentric phrase. You've got more. Exposure to tearing the muscle. It's about create as you say it's you know, if you do six reps and us two seconds up two seconds down, you know, you you're talking about 24 seconds. Yeah. Do Chris's btp translate you're talking about V of X evenings took one second speaker seconds. Yeah. So your time under tension is doubled. Yeah, the volume is increased which is another Factor. So time under tension being one factor workload or well, you've been another Factor. Yes, you're going to lose use less weight and vocal poundage is that it's a one variable. I like to have watched his total poundage across the entire set but also the entire session. So if I if I lift, let's just say it's a hundred kgs on the bar on a deadlift and I do it four times. I've lifted 400 kgs. Yeah, whatever. If I now I'm not going to do the maths on the podcast for you. Oh, yeah, you know if I if I obviously I've got a reduce for weight on the bar to do higher reps, but become the end of the session but then did 60 reps with it. You don't 2500 instead of or hundreds and as a variable goes, you know, certainly the research I've read and the results I've seen from from people is that's a key variable just outside of just saying well how many reps am I going to do more? So how much weight am I going to lift total? I do think that there is one thing I will say, I don't think there's a variation and you build muscle not with the red range because that's a given you any rep range. The only difference being is the quality or the shape or the size of the look of that muscle. Yeah, if we look at lifting a heavy weight, yes, you will gain you gain Mass how I've always lifted High Reps because I swam three miles a week for five years so my body is This year it's a little bit more Raju 810 reps the matter how heavy the weight is. Yes. Okay, it's heavy but it doesn't really tax my body. Yeah, if I do a hundred reps with half the weight, I'm in pieces because I'm using the different Energy System. My body is used to being in that Energy System. Yeah, but you know, Mass. Yes heavyweight if you want the definition of detail, and I think he's coming down to exposure as well if I lift. For reps and I do for five exercises in that session, but the recovery times gone up to a degree potentially before I can come back in and and work that muscle again versus doing say 15 r m so I can now import increase my frequency from a week and a good friend of mine. He often gets asked. How how did you get your back to be so wide and so deep and he's got on stage and number of times and Very simply says every morning he does three sets of 12 pull-ups full body weight pull ups and he said, you know, it might not seem like much however come the end of the year the amount of reps he's done and the amount of pounded his lifting and he I think he weighs in at about a hundred and ten pounds. It works out to be the equivalent of like a Boeing A380 or something like that. Yeah, and he said, you know, very simply very small simple steps everyday have incurred. This huge amount of poundage coming end of a year versus somebody that did back once a week at 4rm. For example. Yeah, absolutely. Is it was a fact that I was doing these things every day? Not my Vitas. No, I just seen how many times we could get the word for Ivy to into today's podcast it. You know, we're actually afford a sports quite good. So let's jump onto jet gemma's question. I got one more line of question and then in two final questions before we wrap up and Gemma laughs what's been your biggest challenge, we talked back and forth myself and Jammer on on email and she was quite interested the fact that you're coming up to your ninth tenth year in the fitness industry and she wants to know what's your biggest challenge you've come across working in the fitness industry work my videos. I didn't explain it. Tell me more about mr. Working vidiots. What's been the biggest challenge? I mean always changing Jim's is a new challenge isn't it? And I've worked in all the gyms across the city to be fair. I haven't worked in all the little ones. Works a little bodybuilding gyms around here. But yeah, I mean it's a change of scenery and we're going back to you know, something else except code that that fear is always appear as mm. So you start something new you gotta get holding a bunch of clients for the first six months now, we're going to talk to you who you are but then after a while and you know, depending on who you are and be being me people start talking to me, but yeah, I think a change of scenery as as it has been a challenge and outside of that. Every single client and they have is their own individual Challenge and I love that. I love that because they all bring their own thing. They all need something different from me as we know and I say it on time again. There is no deal here. There is no one-size-fits-all. Everybody is an individual what what I've Loved about about your whole journey Darren is if I think back to when we met in Marble Arch, you're talking today nine. Zone almost 10 years on with the same level of passion and ambition as you were then and you know it I see a number of fit Pros for have been in Industry just a few months or just a few years start to lose their passion their ambition and bear why and I think that becomes their biggest challenge versus you know, what? Yes, you know, what why I think you've been incredibly successful is if you've not let that ambition and passion die or go away you're acting as if you're almost brand new to the industry still and treating it with that level of respect. Yeah, but I think you know every day is a new day. Because every single day I have a passionate desire to change another person and if I can do that whether it's been for free or we're Rockin paid for it. I don't really care as long as I can change the world one body is amazing. And you know, I think you know, we've spoken I don't know how many to ridiculous but we could talk forever, but I have two final questions for you make based on life today all your experiences from right day dot in the swimming pool doing a long distances boxing. In bodybuilding getting on stage take in, you know clients to radical Transformations alongside getting them on stage and being invited to the world championships and whatnot what three things or tips or advice? Would you give somebody wanting to start out in Fitness or coaching find yourself a reputable Learning Company C learn from the best. The only way to be the best is to learn. Going somebody that cares as much about your fitness journey as you do. Yeah. So number one somebody that cares just as much as you how you want to be treated and and go from a number two. Number two three the client you want to be Eve a client what I mean by that tell us a little bit more. Always but hey, that's the person that you want to attract lovely the time you want to be. So if you want to attract people that don't turn up you go out on the alcohol at the weekend and or all the party things or whatever they do. They don't show up for their sessions if you want to be that person and make sure that you're doing as well. It's take you seriously and you want A hundred percent of their attention you have to give them a hundred percent of your attention. So practically a Cheesy as it sounds Practice What You Preach? Absolutely. Yeah. It is exactly the same and a number three. Spend your money wisely. What do you mean by that with it with coaching or being a coach or employing a coach spend your money wisely always look at the qualifications of either the people that teach you as a learner or whether it's you know, you hang a personal trainer. Make sure the person that you are paying knows what you want to learn. Yeah don't waste coming myself on Hailey of done as you know, you know, we've had a number of I choose ourselves. We've always looked and said, you know has for Coach achieved what it is, but I'm after yes a recent example is we've tried to all we have very successfully changed the way we do a lot of our emails and we get in a phenomenal response. So we went to the coach in the industry how of what we know to be the number one person in email marketing and you've got coached personally and mentored by him. Which was Paul Moore and and it just groundbreaking, you know, there's plenty of other people we could have chosen but by going to somebody who's already had a result that we wanted that's right was wasn't it? It's not about two different conversations. Absolutely go to the person doesn't matter what it costs. Don't go up. It's not because they're expensive. Because you don't have enough. Yeah, that's what they charge and that's what you want. Go and pay them it will be so I have one final question for you down before we log off today. And first of all, I want to acknowledge your time not just today but also your time your energy your effort your approach to training right from day dot when if you remember we were standing under cover escaping the rain outside the Marble Arch venue back in In 2010 and the endless amounts of coffee is that we'd pick each other's brains over in Marble Arch Park and I just want to kind of acknowledge your first for Learning and you approach to the industry today and we've all that said what's your definition of an outstanding coach? I think an outstanding coach has to be somebody that has at least if not more passionate about what you're trying to achieve. Will you do alone? Hiding, you know that that is that is all there is to it really is that you know, as you say, yes. Okay. I know that later in built action. There are people out there that have no passion for this industry. They just fanciful change job and whilst that's okay. They are the people that fall by the wayside. But yeah, so always look for somebody who is at least the same amount of passion, but that particular thing whether it be triathlons reverently. Amazing. Well Darrin that brings us to the end of today's fit procession. It's been amazing having you on I just want to say thank you one more time. Well, we're can all the listeners go to find out more about you. Don't lie. Yes Instagram Baron Porsche Facebook Facebook page Steve Russell makers. That's the best place to get hold of me fantastic. So I do is I put all of that in the show notes and links out so you can find out more about you. They'll be down below up here. I have here wherever and outside outside of that Darren. It's been an absolute pleasure and we look forward to having you on again soon. Thank you very much. My pleasure to be a game called take a bus. 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FitPro Sessions Podcast Episode 006 With Darren Stock – Body Transformation Coach Today’s podcast episode Neale interviews Darren Stock, a Body Transformation Coach that has worked with clients for almost 10 years and had phenomenal results. Here’s what we talked about on today’s FitPro Sessions Podcast Body transformation, weight loss and getting results with clients by going ALL-IN for all 168 hours in the week, not just the one hour that they train in the gym. Grab the FitPro Sessions Podcast show notes: Timestamps: 1:00 Who is Darren Stock – Body Transformation Coach 2:30 Starting an interest in fitness and sport from an early age 4:00 Changing the shape of the body with Body Building 6:50 Using the gym as a method to switch off and relax 9:30 Why the term “body transformation coach” and not “personal trainer” 11:30 Standing out from the crowd as a Fit Pro 13:30 168 hours and all in 16:00 Educating a client on nutrition principles 18:20 Darren’s first Body Building Show 20:30 “You have to work back from the Fat Percentage that you want to achieve” 22:30 Setting a realistic weightloss goal 24:30 Having a low target is more achievable – losing 0.6kg per week 26:50 Weight loss via nutrition deficit or exercise output 30:50 The right cardio at the right the time 34:45 Lessons from Darren’s first show 36:00 Problems with keto diet and very strict nutrition 42:20 who is Neil Hill? 45:30 Niched down to become a specialist with top class knowledge 46:45 Advice for someone who wants to start a Fitness Career 47:30 “I expect the best from my clients, they expect the best from me” 50:25 How to break the fear of starting out 50:46 “Imagine yourself standing at the bottom of the mountain looking up, but the longer you stand looking at it the less likely you will climb it” 52:00 Why do you think 80% of new fit pros leave the fitness industry within 18 months? 54:00 Having a self-employed mindset and focusing on marketing and sales 56:00 A client story of body transformation 1:00:00 A Sustainable PT model without pay per hour 1:01:00 Client body transformation to be stage ready 1:06:00 What is the secret sauce as a body transformation coach to assist in the client journey 1:06:30 Stress, happiness and sleep 1:09:00 Learner Question: Rep ranges for building muscle 1:16:00 Learner Question: What’s your biggest challenge whilst working in the fitness industry 1:19:00 Based on all of your life experiences so far, what 3 tips would you give someone wanting to start in coaching 1:22:00 What makes an Outstanding Coach? 1:23:30 Where to go to find out more about Darren Stock Learn more from Darren Stock, Body Transformation Coach: Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/TeamMuscleMakers/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/baronporsche/ Start your Journey to become a PT here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/become-a-personal-trainer Download Free Mock questions here: https://revision.parallelcoaching.co.uk/fitness-exam-mock-questions • Check out what learners are saying: HERE • Like us on Facebook: HERE • Follow us on Instagram: HERE • Subscribe to our YouTube Channel: HERE --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/fitpro-sessions/message

Boys and girls, welcome back to The Inspirations place. We have an absolute belter of a episode for you today. But before you listen and do to favor head over to your podcast provider, whether it be Spotify Stitcher the podcast app on an iPhone, whatever it may be and just give the show a five star rating. In review if we do that for me guys means I can carry on getting fantastic guests on the show because the more people get to listen to this epic story. So that would be fantastic. I would appreciate it today. I spoke to Matt nivelle, which was really really epic for me the England 2003 World Cup rugby winning team will always be heroes in my mind. I've been obsessed with Robbie's since I was eight years old and it became even more intense when we won the World Cup 16 years ago. Wow. Australia Matt LaBelle was the sports nutritionist to that team. So when I got the chance to speak with him, I completely jumped all over it when Matt came down to the gym. We really got stuck into a few topics based around nutrition. It was really obvious when I was speaking with him that I was talking to somebody he was at the top of their field that's really really cool and something that really really happens to people Matt has and still does work with a lot of top level sports teams are he's been a nutritionist on a one-on-one basis for a very long time to his passion for his field has led him. Him to bring out his own brand Amino man, which is a supplementation brand that can Aid both males and females to perform at the top of their abilities. You know, whatever your goal is. I mean, oh man has the solution to provide the support for it, you know, whether it be muscle gain recovery improves sleep reduced inflammation increase energy, you know, whatever it may be these products are top grade and can be of some serious use depending on where you are in your fitness. Journey. If you go to www.sceeto.com me know man. Home and type in SFL 25 into your basket, you'll get 25% off your first order listening guys. This one is extremely extremely interesting as a very very knowledgeable man, and he's a great guy. So enjoy thank you. I want to say thank you very much for coming down. I mean, I know you're busy busy busy, man, and we're going to tell us about what you're up to in a minute, but just want to say thank you and I think probably the best place mat. We're just to be starting with bit of background in yourself kind of how you got on into the field of nutrition. Ian and health and fitness, I think that'll be the best place to probably start. Okay. Well, yeah, first of all, thank you for having me on the show Roberts. Yes good honest good to be on. Yeah, and I guess were thinking about the like in a nutshell type of historic story. Then the first bit of sort of exercise exposure was this free karate classes that were put on our school. So that was age 12 and first day, you know, People in there and then it whittled down to maybe seven or eight of us and every two weeks. Yeah, and I was one of the surviving members and that and that kind of carried on for years afterwards and and then you know as is the way with these things these things you get a passion for things. So you want to find out more about it was pre-internet. So the only places you could go with like bookstores Library stuff like that. So one of the things we did was watch loads of Bruce Lee films, then we went down to Chinatown there. Loads of little martial art shops back then so you can pick up with chequebooks on Shaolin Monks and Bruce Lee had a series of books and I pick those up and one of the things he was good at and probably one of the early developers was this sort of integrated, you know, he was using weights. He was doing nutrition and then combining that all with his martial arts training so curiosity took off then curiosity took off then and then I joined the wait Jim twelve-and-a-half waste resistant. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so and then and then just carry I'm doing that so only realized maybe 12 years later that you could actually do a job out of a hobby. So I retrained as a personal trainer there was a there's a copy of time out and it was one of those moments where the sun sort of shown through the window and and lit up the magazine these his personal trainers money by beast in people and that was and that was it. Yes. It was that the age of I was 24 25. Yeah interesting interesting. You're a PT for x amount of years good a good five years. I still still do a little bit with select clients now, but really I mean, what was the was there a lot of trial and error obviously in those days. Did you kind of you picked up a lot in those early days and thus kind of sculpted your methodology or anything like that. Do you know what you go through over like 20 years of going in and out of fads and being told one thing and another Yuri, you live through what works and what doesn't I mean I remember doing an early new. Christian course and it was all about carbs because that was Sports Nutrition was just carbs because all the early research was on, you know endurance based athleisure and they were talking about multi-level carbohydrate loading. So if you have toast you need a bit of jam with it and you know be good idea to have a little bit of orange juice with that and and if you run out of energy have an energy bar and a lucozade and so you see like well this these people must know what they're talking about and six months later you put on you know, 6% body fat and you feel Aurelia third, you can terrible show and he's scratching your head. Wondering you know, what's going on with all this. Yeah. Yeah last name intro so from there, so you did eventually go to university. I understand you went to Bristol that correct? Yes. Oh did I did but doing something completely different insane. Yeah until it's completely unrelated political for us. We degree at Bristol. This part is to do that interesting. Well, it was it was honestly one of the easiest courses to get it get accepted in on I done a year at Glasgow psychology and then dropped out right so I was like, well, what do I do now? And then I went back into being a builder's labourer for a year. She will then realize that that kind of wasn't there, you know long-term career nutrition was always there kind of in the balls in the background. Yes. I would have been the kid in whatever an early Holland and Barrett would have been called back then reading the backs of labels. Yeah and wondering, you know, what What vitamin C did and just picking up information like that. That must've been so much hard about then to kind of generate your knowledge base. I mean, we was it constantly going through books Nate's like Google this you can get 15 different extracts on whatever you're researching. I mean was it was it much harder in the early days to try and build that knowledge base. It was it was much harder because you were you were limited by whatever existing texts were available and some of them were really really old and then you you you did pick up what's currently called like the On stuff. So you talked you talked to the Big Sky and the gym and said what do you do and you'd get Snippets of information which some of which actually transpired later to be actually really good bits of advice. Yeah, and some of them not so much absolutely trying to pull pull the pieces together must be more all the pieces together and you know that that would have been that n equals one year early self-experimentation. So then you find you know, you are basically working out what works for you is so true. I mean I even I was training from a young age the amount of terrible tips. I picked up and then the different sources of knowledge. I was getting from probably guys in the gym the didn't make any sense because they weren't they weren't relevant to me. I mean context was a big one because I was very sort of Robbie orientation. These guys are come up to me and tell me to you know, like you said bass mashkov smash cars my scars and that's probably why I wasn't as I probably why so many injuries in my early days because I was far too heavy and yeah just that is must that so common. I find I find with people just generally Any bad habits and finding out what works for them. And so I mean politics a university then I mean what then what brought you back? Was it just that Jen that Curiosity was just digging at you and you just had to get back into it. Well, it was coming out and then thinking what am I going to do as a job and then just running around thinking just doing different things, you know, and I did photography fashion photography. I did more kind of building stuff and various. Jobs, that will just weren't going to be the one for me. And then that was that timeout moment and then and then I went into PT so that that took care of that. So that was you know, that kept me busy for a good five years random company in the city and then Pizza Company. Yeah, and then about halfway through that realized there was a lot more to making changes for people that was all about what they did when they weren't with you. So that was that was and I was always obsessed with nutrition so I thought right Formalize this knowledge and then and then I went off and did a three-year course of the optimum Institute. Yeah, I was that was that enjoyable experience really good actually, really really? I found it very challenging because I was working on doing at the same time, but also re re thinking, you know, turning your mind from a sort of politics and philosophy into More of a science-based approach, right? So the transition was quite difficult and just a tan at the back end of that course. My shooter was they were looking for a male nutritionist to work in a clinic on Harley Street. And that was one of the early places where you know, there were functional medicine existed then it was mainly in America, but it was one of the Pioneers in terms of functional and integrated medicine and nutrition so there's doctors and nutritionists dietitians all Under One Roof. There was a pharmacist so I spent nutrition didn't stand alone. Then I didn't stand alone. So there was We There were you know with the everyone was had blood tests. They had a doctor looking after them. They had a lot of Nutritional Lifestyle programming. So all the food the diets and then and then the supplementation as well. So that would probably sharpen my saw then as much as any time in my career because it was it was four years of you know, eight clients a day. A multiple different problems. So that must have gone through every single case around pretty yeah, if you think of something that can go wrong with someone someone probably did come into the clinic during that time with one of those things. Was it here that you really start to understand the power of nutrition. Yes, because the the thing then was you could you could test you could follow up and then you could retest and then you could just see people getting you know over a period of weeks and months you could see people transitioning. And getting better and just getting over the these disorders and then you could you know, always believed in the power of nutrition, but then it became really tangible actually what you could do and what you could fix. It's absolutely fascinating. I've see if I see a very enjoyable period in Harley Street, you know, you have something time. Yeah the doctors I work with then Adam and Fred. I'm still working with now so great great mentors great tutors and great friends. Yeah, fantastic and this kind of LED you on I'm assuming To your work in sports and we what was the transition between Harley Street and kind of getting into the sort of split in the sporting organizations. Yeah, that is so this was a direct route in because at that time some some of the England players who were at saracens were coming to the clinic for Sports Nutrition and it was around about the time there was a book called Optimum Sports Nutrition written by Michael Colburn. It's a really old book That's a classic one. So we were kind of taking elements from that. And then improving on that type of a system she'll and then apply in the athletic Arena and then the saracens players liked it so much that the in the days of P&R and seem panicked in the early professional days. Yeah, just it just changed professional round about 96 99. It was it was a bit later than that. Also 9899 shot was when it was really coming into its own sure and then the Dave reddening and fitness coach was was like, okay, this is gonna Good, we need it with the England players. So it all went into the England Camp the clinic for one reason or another was a bit top-heavy. So, you know too many chiefs not enough Indians kind of thing. Yeah, and that actually dissolved and went under and at that time then it was 18 months two years before the 2003 Rugby World Cup. So the rfu said look we need you we need we need Adam and Matt to come in and just look after the boys. And and that was that. He says on his I've seen your name whenever cause I'm 2003 in the rugby team for me is like like any guy my age. He loves rugby. It's just something we're all obsessed with and I've seen your name in context with the in rugby team and it's one of the main reasons. I was desperate to get you and speak to you because I mean those guys were heroes in Martin Johnson. I was Jonny Wilkinson Neil back Richard Hill all these Lawrence dallaglio. The list goes on legend Legends Legends of the game and what I'm Fascinated about I mean I'm fascinated about in terms of sport across the board. So maybe that's a good point to start on when you kind of first came in to these sporting organizations. Say you started in sport in the in the late 90s that correct pretty much where what was it because it's funny I usually like well Nick little house who does a lot of sleep lately. Yeah, and he said the perception of sleep, obviously, you know how important sleep is in terms of the marginal gains and Sport quality. He said it was so, you know people just didn't think of it as an important thing. You know, they just didn't address it. I mean surely nutrition must have been they must have been more aware of that time. What was the situation when you went into the sport in organizations where they were there they simply just throwing them grabbed a burger and chips across the table or did they have a vague idea and and how did you go on to sort of change that philosophy and mindset towards nutrition? So so in in in those early days It would be rare for a rugby club to provide food for the players and mental and then and then also there wouldn't have been any there wouldn't be any sort of what you might call recovery drink / protein shakes. That was also a relatively novel concept. So the first thing was to say, right? Okay. What what is your what is the protein balance of a rugby player because obviously lean mass is so important. So if you fix protein balance, and we did that through diet and also provision of shakes. And training sessions so that had a dramatic effect. Obviously lean mass went up fat Mass when down but more importantly the players felt Fresher a small Lively and the recovery went up we sleep is always been key for us. So we would take time to provide the right kind of nutrients to put people into a deep restful sleep so we would be you would be using I suppose it was as LM a formula, but it was yet be zinc magnesium We Believe would be putting it together with different pots of of minerals and they were all there all the minerals which were amino acid chelate. So they were you know, the highly absorbable forms of the particular mineral or enzyme activated vitamins as well. Sure. So it just makes it a bit little bit easier for the body to absorb and you know, you don't have to be super clever, too. Serotonin pathway and then look at the cofactors and just say, okay. Well if you need think you need B6 you need you need tryptophan. You just put all those things into thing. You're going to get more melatonin. They're going to go into deeper more restful sleep. So we had a two page letter and we put people on what we called a natural anabolic growth program. So it was all the nutrients which are known to accelerate protein synthesis and known to induce deep restful sleep. And and it was on the back of an organic Whole Foods clean eating type diet. So that was that up that the cleanup and the diet was always before the supplementation, but we use that formula pre bed. And then also in the Rugby World Cup training camp, they get up very early do weights than they do rugby then they'd have lunch and then they had a they had a big gap where we encourage them to get another deep restful sleep. So we were inducing to It's of deep restful sleep one sort of a hours and one between one and two hours interesting and we were using the amino acid Blends before each sleep. So then we then you're getting a double, you know natural set of growth hormone release. So you getting all those effects and the you know that I've still got the stats on the body cam changes from that camp and they were dramatic. Really? Yeah the camp Just Around the World Cup and in 2003. Yeah. I mean, I've got all the steps from all the world. Cups, but that one was you know, it was the first one I was involved with so it's his sticks in my mind. That is insane. Wow. I mean, it must be very powerful to see those sorts of stats on professional athletes and really rewarding to see the performance level of shaming the performance never went up in due time in due course with these results is that yeah. I mean when they won the World Cup, so I think I think we got we got the jump on a lot of other teams because we were one of the early adopters in terms of What's now called performance nutrition? Obviously the training carried out by Dave reading and Calvin Morris was cutting edge as well. And you know, you had a unique group of players who were just each one of them could have been it was a captain in their own team from you know, so was a phenomenal team. I mean, I'm really fascinated as to know how it was working alongside sort of Clive Woodward and in that organization because I've watched, you know building Jerusalem and I've read books about what it was like back then and he said I've so he said it was like anyone who's a kind of decent salesmen that had an idea on how to make the team better eunuch Li would have thrown money at they had the the eye doctor which was Infamous which obviously did pay dividends because they kind of they train the smaller balls and it helped their coordination. So when the Big Balls came along into the game, they wouldn't make as many mistakes but the amount of things that I mean, what was it like just kind of in that environment where everyone was just so thirsty to get better. Well, he he Clive would have been probably one of the first people to coin that phrase small percenters. Yeah, perhaps even before British cycling interesting. And yeah, so if you had someone that could potentially give an edge then they were in there and that's one of the reasons we you know, we were in there but funny you should say that because one of the little Bruce Lee books that I got back in the day he was talking about periphery vision and just putting something slightly out the edge of the corner of your eye and then just moving it a little bit. Further away and then always practicing and periphery Vision when you're walking if you know, you're not going to walk into Lamppost, but if you can kind of open things up and see everything's going side to side and then and then I've forgotten her name but the lady with the computers and small balls and all that sort of thing, you know that stuff clearly made a little bit of a difference and In the Heat of a battle went if you've got that tiny little bit more awareness of where the ball is and how to catch it then. Yes, so amazing and you know, he drew on all different. Types of experts and you know, one of the one of the all-time greats was Vince Lombardi, so we were on were all you know, cherry-pick bits and pieces from that sort of era that work for him as well. So Lombardi time, you know, if you were if you weren't 10 minutes early for a meeting then yeah, then you were late. Yeah interesting as it regards to, you know, whether UK is and nutrition and everything you've done for it. Did you ever feel like you were playing sort of catch up with? You know over in the US or in the southern hemisphere, which tend to be slightly ahead of kind of where we are. Do you have you felt that in your career? You know when Michael Cogan's book came out and then you were thinking what are they all up to in America, but then quite quickly every time you ask what was going on in America or Russia or wherever wherever it might be, you know, God knows what's going on in China because they're not as free as with information stuff, but after a few years you realize that Gee what we were doing in the UK was just as as Cutting Edge as anywhere else interesting. Yeah, and actually although the America the American functional medicine institution is one of the world leaders in that sort of Integrative Medicine and you could argue that Britain is catching up and probably following that model in terms of you know doctors and now on BBC Two and they're showing that Lifestyles better for diabetes than the standards of medical route that has been as you know, Historically followed course so rugby and we spoke about Road briefly. I know you've worked in football you have worked in cycling as well. I believe is that correct? If you ever worked in cycling not to not to any large degree. Now how has it been sort of transitioning across Sports. Have you had to change your protocols and methodology obviously due to whatever sport you're working with. Do you know it's a common question if there's a rugby specific. Yeah rule or a football. Sure. Oh I've worked. I've worked in track and field as a Olympic cycle with track and field athletes. That's probably one of the most diverse group of people because you've got everything from a shop for 200 meter Runner, right? Okay, so you got all different shapes and sizes. But then again the rugby team has got lot of people have different shapes and sizes. Yes. Sure. Okay. My my Approach is always to treat the individual and then find out what that individual specific. Requirements for their sport are so I sort of turn it around. So I wouldn't necessarily have a tennis specific protocol or although obviously there are there are Universal demands associated with each sport that you have to know about. I'd be more like okay, who are you what's your physiology like, you know all the DNA or Bloods all that sort of stuff. So you build up from that and then and then he'd be like, what do you need to do with your vessel with your body? What's the demands of your tennis match your Hundred meter race was specific to you too. So it's a sort of its dealing with the individual first and then apply it into the sporting Arena. That's crazy. I mean that is great is that there's no you deal with each individual on a personal basis. I mean, that's that's fine. I must be time-consuming loads of two plates work with a whole Squad of rugby players and had to kind of deal with a different individual demands. It must be a process. I mean if you're doing it properly then Then that's that's a full-time job. Yeah. Yeah, like one one nutritionist probably with some support hurting. Now what happens normally happens is as as of as things have progressed. I'll be more in a consultancy capacity. So there'd be some you know, I made I think I made over 2,000 shakes by hand for the 2007 Rugby World Cup while about every other the little bag with a mixer in a mineral powders or so. So I think I've done my time in terms of making smoothies. Yeah, please so the Beat the Beast some full-time very capable highly highly trained staff who will be with the team every day making sure that they've got free intra post-shuttle workout nutrition all of the clubs now, we'll be providing Breakfast Brunch lunch and then often they'll cook things for players to take home as well. Right? So really the only meal that team a lot of team-based athletes need to worry about is their evening meal. Yeah and eat and even then they can they can flash free stuff and then the plate and take it home. But you've also done I'm assuming like performance and athletes isn't your only sort of nutritional scenario. Let's say you've done a lot of sort of body cam sort of stuff as well. Yeah. So we what what do you prefer? Do you have a preference of area of nutrition that you really enjoy? Well, I love it all be honest, and I think it's important to to have Like in any area you have to diversify risk specially when you work for yourself. So you wouldn't want to look put y'all, you know to kind of raise put all your eggs in one basket necessary. Especially as sport is quite a Fickle game, you know, it's football particularly new manager new set of mates. Thank you very much and then, you know two weeks later you can be out. So it's quite an an unsettling environment sometimes in that sort of sense. So, So special especially the turnover of manager rate turnover manager training in football is an absolute joke. I know so I've lost my train of thought slowly what in terms of just body composition. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so there will be an element of body composition change. Yeah with pretty much every client so it could be the head of a law firm whose, you know, drifted the wrong side of a hundred kilos and and needs to get back in, you know, maybe developing early stages of metabolic syndrome so poor blood sugar control pre-diabetes or that sort of stuff then stimulating muscle and reducing fat just corrects loads of underlying physiological problems and the diet that goes along with that so you can you can almost have as aesthetically driven goal which would just transpire to reduce your disease risk factors 25 30 years later and but I've been fortunate enough, you know to be friends with some You know professional bodybuilders and you know, I did I did start out just you know, doing karate and going down a sweat and sawdust or the gym in the old days. So I do I do like old-school like body building type and physique athlete actually I do like whatever work with the body in that sort of that kind of feel in terms of like wff Pro or invite someone on their nutrition to go onstage. Yeah a little bit. So there's a guy called Neil Crown. Well who I actually It with back on in Harley Street back in the day and he's got people that help more time. But I've given him a little bits of information along along the way as well. And then yeah Dan two loads of different recreational sort of physique E-Type type dudes as well. Fasten. It is interesting. Yeah. I mean, like one thing I want to talk to you about briefly is is your fault is for weak fat loss program. I mean, this is something you've had for. How long is it? Wow - well that Ram was developed with Gavin Allison her think you've had. Yeah, so he rang me up and he said what you doing and I said getting ready for holiday, and I need to get a need to lose some fat. Yeah. He said how you doing it and I said blahblahblah. What's this? It's a hybrid of this early Hollywood Diet that was out ages ago. And and basically what you do is you train in the morning fasted you eat four meals in Al wins? And then you train at night and then you take a Minos to protect your muscle mass. So what it was was intermittent fasting with with AMPM sure and it is it's super fast as it has we all know it would be because you training to us today and you're eating low carb high protein and you're doing intermittent fasting sure but it was way it was their calories counting involved is they carry any money yet? Okay you have that's that's one of the things like you always have to pee. A Jews to the governor, which is energy balance. Nothing's going to work unless you address the fundamentals. Yeah, 100% is like the it must be difficult for you to see certain people now, obviously with this or Instagram kind of world. We live in you know, don't worry about your calories just you know high-fat, you know, just make sure you're eating healthy for healthy food, but that's the end of the day everything comes down to and that's what I try to tell people every day when they come in the gym. I'm like guys like have you ever you know, we've got some A tweet challenging if we 5? No, I didn't. Yeah. So anyway, so basically gone eight week challenge is it's basically it's a body transformation program. They give you a nutrition and you training here which is the trainings are standing is very very high. You know, it's very very effective training you're burning a lot of calories. So energy balance is heavily in your favor on this a be challenged and it's just something that I try and say to everyone the in you just try and tell them that look if you're moving more and you're eating less. Going to be going the direction that you want to do and as much as people, I tell people that you know, they seem to just forget it and is very frustrating because it's just the be all and end all it's a fabulous. Absolutely. I think if what I have as little thing where I kind of its answers on the back of a postcard, please so if you can't explain it on the back of a postcard then it's probably you probably don't understand you sir. But yeah for fat loss. I think the two major Things Are Create deficit eat enough protein because if you don't eat the protein, you lose the muscle mass your metabolism to clients. But if you do those two things actually you can apply those rules to pretty much any other diets that are out there and there are hundreds of thousands of different ways of doing that. But if you do yet doing those two things and then consistently so find the way that you can then apply that and keep doing it through whatever food you make it sound so lovely beautifully simple, but it is the way you phrase it is, isn't it? But on why isn't everyone doing it then and it's an it's an amazing challenging thing and I think almost daily about the Obesity epidemic diabetes fat kids and all that. You know, we are in a bit of a mess. And if you look at America with were closely following them seventy percent of people in America are either overweight or obese 50% of them have metabolic syndrome, which is basically going to accelerate aging and death and we're following quite fast in their footsteps and we have Have a curious situation where we're programmed to eat. So we you know, it is survival Factor. Number one is basically make yourself safe and then eat something. Yeah, and if you combine that primitive urge with availability of poor food choices, then you have a recipe for disaster. So it's about constantly educating people around help. You know, it's not all right to go down that aisle and put those things in your trolley because it will you will end up in a dark place if If you're not careful, I mean, what would you be getting in the Grassroots level, you know almost at Primary School. Yes, yes should be correct. It should be taught in schools. And it's not is this something you're pushing for you want to push for you'd like to push for definitely. Yeah. I need to make friends with a couple of politicians. And yeah, but the problem is big food. Hey, you know logging yeah big Lobby. So so your brightening is this frightening. Yeah, and that's that's the problem you got a but the thing is people can vote with their feet and you know to over ER two million people in this country a year or drinking less sugary drinks, you know and Pepsi and Coca-Cola sort of shitting themselves, but that's why they're coming out with all these low-calorie things now low carb and zero, you know zero carb and they can't the prophets else will pick up the profits as well. Yeah. Yeah. It's food label is another killer. I'm sure that you're extremely high irritates you as well. It's terrible and it's teaching the Discerning Shopper to read labels and The stand you know, what was applicable to most most it, you know 80% of the time you need to you need to do things quite. Well, obviously, you can do you can cut corners and have what you might call fun or treats or whatever. You might call it twenty twenty percent time. Perhaps probably only 10% of the time if you're trying to make rapid changes, but once you're in a good place, then you can you know, you can live what you might call a normal life but some of the time but not that I'd I personally just stay out of all of the fast food establishments because I don't believe in them in terms of the ethics of philosophy all that type of thing. So I vote with my feet that way. Yeah and I try and get encourage people to do the same. Yeah. So it's so the full week fat loss. Oh, so let's just return to that. So it's training the morning but train faster than morning trying for us in the morning sometime before you first meal. Let's just say that's nine o'clock sure and this the type of training you do here is the the best type of training for this type of program, but obviously you couldn't do That twice a day every day because you end up overtraining so you have to you have to cycling it. So, you know a brisk walk for an hour for someone who's not fit could you know tick all the boxes the main thing is that you're moving you're getting oxygen into the body and you're enabling the body to tap into its fat stores as a source of fuel what happens with most people is because of the way they've eaten for ages and their their stagnant is they they become sugar burners so they eat sugar they Burnt sugar. They're very in efficient at using the fat as a source of fuel and because their primary source of fuel is sugar. They also get quite good at breaking down muscle tissue to turn into sugar. So they end up in this sort of catabolic blood sugar nasty roller coaster place and then if they try and doing a diet because they're metabolically inefficient, they don't burn enough fat so they find it too difficult and so on and so forth It's just circle it's a vicious circle, but that you know that program You know we can get the PDF. I've just whizzed through it and now I can send that out to anyone that's listening to the show if they want to have a go at it. Absolutely. It's really it's really good and it's particularly good the Intensive phase which I was speaking about is the two days and he do that for you do that for 14 days as like a reset, but after that you can you can just train once a day whenever it's convenient for yourself. And then if you've got a couple of kilos of fat to lose you can just go straight back. Back into the Intensive face again and the focus of the diet is always around lean proteins and and a heap of veg. So like tons and tons of vegetables salads soups all that sort of stuff and then all your all your kind of fish chicken lean meats. If you're vegetarian, you can just substitute all that with with vegetarian sources of protein the people come into this on different calorie different breakdowns of macronutrients. Yes. Oh so it's all it's all it's all lean body. Multiply so they the the secret formula if you would if it is, I don't think I don't know and if there are any secrets anymore in nutrition, but is a 2 1 1 so you basically look at you. Look at your lean mass or your desired lean weight and in you take two grams of protein per kilo one gram of carbs per kilo one gram of fat together, right and that just so happens to work out almost exactly at your basal metabolic rate for calories. So for me like you down free will be As on that's what it re is just so it's the minimum amount of calories you need to function in a 24-hour period so if I do my two-on-one around about eighty six eighty eight kilos are beating about 1,800 calories, so it's low, but it's not so low as going to be it's going to drive my metabolism into the ground and it actually when you eat 1800 calories of salad and chicken you you're eating a lot of food. One of the most common bits of feedback is I've never felt like I've eaten so much. And yet I'm losing fat really but yeah exactly. I mean like here like everyone like when I hear about you know for we plant a tree plans they do get some Flack sometimes I feel like oh, you know, it's just not sustainable. Well, no, obviously it's not sustainable you looking for results quickly in this format. Look we're not asking you to live this way forever, you know in the grand scheme of things if you if you have a wedding in eight weeks sometimes and you want to look in the best shape of your life. You got to do something a little bit drastic, you know agree, we're not we're not saying live your life this way forever. Yeah, but I think look drastic problems require drastic Solutions. And the the flip side of that is you have this wishy-washy kind of I'll cut down a little bit this and cut down it and little bit that and eat a balanced diet and all that stuff and that's frankly just doesn't work. You need you need you need to get yourself in a place where you're not gaining fat. That's quite important. So clean up the diet. So it's not pushing in the wrong direction. And then once that's sorted and your stable you stabilize. Then you can have these quite aggressive periods two four six eight weeks. Sometimes people do it for three months if it's a if there's a body transformation thing you can do that and then and then all you do when you go back to your normal diet because that normal diet was stable then you don't rebound gain all the way. What often happens is people don't do the initial cleanup. They jump onto something quite drastic. They find it too difficult to sustain they flip back to the normal way of eating which was making the fat anyway, and then because They've lost some muscle mass the metabolisms Louis of the same diet makes them a little bit fatter quicker than it did do in the first place. Absolutely. I mean I did mine. So I used to the January at two years running. I did January cuts for eight. Yes. I did it with a guy called Luke Haslett. I don't know if you ever you ever had a bleep but he was my online coach and he having on I think enemy on about 2,100 calories a day and a very to be honest. I was eating more food. I didn't I knew what to do it. My training intensity was very very high. But because I made that sacrifice to get lean it just balanced out the rest of my life off the back of it because I didn't have to be as concerned with having like the 80/20 living that 80/20 way, you know, like not that I wouldn't sell eat, you know, clean 80% of the time and like going to be boring. I was eating good nutritious food. And then 27th time I go out and you know have ten pints and look at that on the way home, but because I made that initial sacrifice. You know, you means you can live a better quality of life and you know for the next, you know, x amount of time. I think I'm a big strong believer in making the sacrifice to get leaner. Absolutely. I think you're right. I think it's almost that thing where if you have if you're in a good body composition place with a high muscle mass and low fat Mass. It's almost in a way self-perpetuating because when you stimulate that muscle mass through exercise anything you eat goes back into the recovery and regeneration process. You're more insulin sensitive. So if you eat some sugar, it just gets sucked back up into the muscles and similarly when you get metabolically, maybe out of condition low muscle mass high fat Mass. You creating a lot of inflammation in the body your metabolisms lower because the muscle mass isn't stimulated. So if you eat if you overeat slightly, then your insulin resistant so you store a bit more fat and and it's almost like you're spiraling in the wrong direction. Of course, you can get yourself back in but it takes dedication. Like like 100 percent of the programs that you follow and I was an unlikely the a we challenge effort is getting gas got a bad rap as a recently which is interesting mainly because I mean they're in almost there potentially could be arguments that is quite drastic and in certain places. I mean, I think the females go down to about 1,300 calories in per periods, which is a my opinion slightly bit low, but what I suggest them is look if your feelings like you like really deteriorating immune system taking a bit of a hit due to the intensity of the training just a little bit more. Okay. Just keep an eye on The calories the the fact is another of the trainings going to put you in a deficit regardless. Okay, if you have another four five six hundred calories, but what I've noticed the people that follow it and listen to their bodies and maybe increase the calories slightly is that once they've done the eight weeks and they put the dedication in they feel on top of the world and there are people have done finished it here at this gym. They're coasting now. They're they're looking great the feeling great. Their performance has gone up and they just returned to a normal way of Everything they're not worrying. They're not concerned. So brings us back to the point, you know, make the effort to get lean. Why not? It's absolutely yeah. I'd hundred percent back that kind of a program the thing I'd like to use and I don't think 1300 1500 would be too low for a woman. I think if you go below 800,000 then you looking at potential problems the obviously it depends on how much extra exercise someone does how much I'm definitely sure but one of the ways I keep people safe in that sort of regard is to sandwich Cats with aminos / shakes. So which leads me on to your next business that you got going on? Yes. Yeah, these the amino man. So basically running two different businesses one is the performance consultancy nutrition performance nutrition consultancy. And in tandem with that is is a me. No, man. So the story that about the Sleep support that I told you basically what I did was I took all those nutrients and I and I put them Into a powder. So I took everything that we use back with the elites that had this, you know beneficial effect that we measured in terms of Bloods body composition and then I just made it convenient because what was happening before was Will giving them, you know, 16 different pots and a two-page letter and there were you know, teaspoons and loads of powder everywhere. But but but getting it all into one convenient easy to take sort of drink was was the initial beginning of a me. No, man, really and that's that's R5 aminos so yeah, I know you've had a pot for a week or so. Hmm But it is it's a it's a it's an amino acid chelate mineral vitamin and it's got all the new tits call the aminos which you need to build tissue quickly. Sure. So we looked at research going on in Burns victims hospitals in France. They were leading the leading the way back in the 80s and they were doing IV vitamin. So, I mean I said infusions to rebuild tissue quickly, obviously with the burns victim. If you don't rebuild the tissue properly quickly, then the they're going to die. So we took the same aminos and actually found that they This research that they were effective orally and then and then also had this effect at speeding up tissue recovery. And that's the that's what you've been taking for them for the last week and then one rifle yeah, hopefully recovery is mostly really yeah. Get that's one of the most common bits feedback about that powder is increased recovery and deeper sleep. Hmm, and that's exactly you know, that's exactly what it's designed to do cool in terms of context to taking that and that's good for everyone, you know in is it specifically for you know athletes or can somebody take it to help fat loss the fat loss journey. I mean it's context an important thing with this. Yes, I'll get us that quite a lot because even though the company's called Amino man. Yeah women can take it right kids nothing. There's nothing hormonal or unnatural. Everything is completely natural, you know, there's nothing weird in its drug screen and all that sort of stuff. So yeah. Yeah a busy mom can take it or 120 kilo, you know prop you would take perhaps titrate the dose so bigger person might need to almost twice as much as a much smaller person sure and but I get I get everybody from busy execs who need to chill out a bit jewelry designers who do 20 minutes on an egg in the morning and just take it after that just to give a little transition before they go and get some breakfast. It's Universal. Yes, but it's really been fantastic to have your not find really fascinating. I'll probably talk to you for hours. I'm just interested what's going on with you in the next 12-18 months. You got any big projects on you working with any teams, you know. Tell us about ya know completely. I'm one of the things I'm really proud to be part of his which started back in 2014 is working with Georgia. Rugby, Georgia. Yeah. Yes. So they yeah, who's that? Fantastic back row, they have I've got some cooked their star players a big Lads. Yeah. Yeah, they're known for their strength and they they you know, they're they're lovely lovely nation and a great a great team to work with. So anyway, I've been on and off helping them and And last few years they they qualified for this Rugby World Cup. That was the goal in 2014. And obviously they're involved in this one coming around. So I'm going out there a bit more often. Okay, so trying to get them the as competitive as we possibly can for that sniff the next competition. I'm still working with Bournemouth football club and Reading Football Club. So, you know, that's roughly a day a week. So what do you see any houses? There's solid manager. He's a little while. Yeah, he's brilliant brilliant. With and then and then actually the what you might call behavioral Wellness is really kicking off. So the corporate corporate work is probably taking up at least 50% of my time. Now that's fascinating and and that's you know, that is the you know, if you look after your employees, they're happier than more productive. They take less days off sick and they might stay with the company more because you're kind of feel like you're looking after them. Is that is that in a nutshell? That's what that's what we're doing. But we're applying the The the athletic model into the corporate Arena. Yes, so that's that's fascinating really taking off. That's a podcast in itself that one hit probably is. Yeah. Wow, that's great. I mean, have you got a g work? You've got client-based you're working with quite a few companies already? Yes. I'm I'm actually working with Fred and Adam the doctors who are startled with on Harley Street, and they've their company's called core performance. So I'm doing some work with them and then I'm doing You some smaller projects with just the smaller firms just on under the performance function by my own company. Yeah, cool. Brilliant. Yeah May. It's been a real pleasure. I really want to thank you so much. It's been fascinating. I hopefully maybe one day we'll get you on again. We could talk a bit more about the the corporate side of things. That would be really fascinating. I'd love to come back and thanks for having me on no problem. Thank you make cheers.

Speaking to Matt Lovell was pretty epic for me. The England 2003 Rugby World Cup winning team will always be heroes in my mind. Being obsessed with rugby from the age of 8 years old was made even more drastic when that trophy was won in Australia 16 years ago! Matt Lovell was the sports nutritionist for that team. So when I got the chance to speak with him I jumped all over it! When Matt came down to the gym we really got stuck in to a few topics based around nutrition, it was very obvious when I was speaking with him that I was talking to somebody who was at the top of their field. Matt has and still is the nutritionist for some top level sorts teams. He has been a nutritionist on a one on one basis for a long time too. His passion for his field has lead him to bring out his own brand Aminoman - a supplementation brand that can aid both males and females to perform at the top of their abilities. Whatever your goal is Aminoman has the solution to provide that support. Whether it be muscle gain, recovery, improved sleep, reduced inflammation, increased energy etc… these products are top grade and can be of some serious use depending on where you are in your fitness journey. If you got to www.aminoman.com and type in SFL25 into your basket you will get 25% off of your first order. He studied ‘Political Philosophy’ at university!?!? * How Matt went from a Personal Trainer to working as a Nutritionist on Harley Street. * Matt tells us how he got into working with professional sports teams. * The 2003 World Cup Winning Rugby team. Matt tells us how he worked with the team and how the impact of more precise nutrition helped their performance and therefore results. * Aminoman. How the brand came about. Listen in guys this one is extremely interesting episode, Matt is a very very knowledgeable man and a great guy. Enjoy.

Hello, hello sales fellows fastest way to learn sales podcast number 58. Welcome to the show guys and girls and let's begin like every other show. I'll share a quote First with you followed by the main content of the episode. So let's begin and today's quote that I'm going to share with you is by Jill Rowley Jill. She is one of the top voices on LinkedIn for 2018 social-media influencer.Man, she once said before LinkedIn and other social networks ABC stood for always be closing now. It means always be connecting. Let's do this again before LinkedIn and other social networks ABC stood for always be closing. Now. It means always be connecting sales fellows. Today's topic is another skill that we need to acquire in today's day and age, which is very important to me and that I find work very well nowadays and it is called social. Telling and we're going to discuss social selling selling and the four pillars of social selling social selling simply means that us the sales people use the means of social media to interact directly with our prospects or customers our current customers and connect with them on line. And now you're all in sales. So I'm going to ask you to do a simple exercise next time you're out selling just observe your customers your current customers your future customers your prospects your co-workers random people around wherever you are in the mall in the gym out there walking. How many of them do you find using a cell phone and I'm I'm positive that 99% of them are using a smartphone nowadays, right? That's that's how it is. The second thing if you get a chance just take a glimpse and see don't read exactly what they're doing. But just try to observe what applications what platforms are they using and you will be You'll be finding few of the main main ones that they're on either. It's going to be Facebook Instagram Snapchat. Usually the social media. That's what they are on when they're out and about. So as a pro sales professional now, I want you to think about this for a second. How can you target these audience? How can you make them buy from you when they are in Market next for the product or service that you offer? Because honestly the people you see randomly on cell phones around you very well could be the decision maker and influencer. In the organization that you like to sell or you do sell or they are part of your portfolio even right now things can change right Personnel changes at businesses. So here are some amazing stats that are going to that are going to blow your mind from the sales professionals who are actually using social media and enjoying great great results. The number one benefit is The people who are using sales people who are using social media as a vehicle as a means of of advertising they are generating 45 percent more sales opportunities how much more 45% II outstanding stat is 51% or more? Are likely to hit their sales Target? Now isn't that everyone's goal in sales to hit the sales Target 51 percent of the people using social media Hit their target. The third one. This is the best one. It's a competitive landscape out there for sales people. Maybe your sales team mate, maybe a competitor. It's all of always about about competition. So 78% of the people who use social media. Outsell the sales peers who do not use the social media. That's some staggering stats to ponder upon. And it's not too late to take advantage of this opportunity now. In car sales, there is a ton of internet sales positions and internet sales managers mode them the ones that I've dealt with generally wait and wait for an email lead to come in. I recommend you become proactive on social media and change the game a little bit right rather than waiting be proactive. Now. Let's dive into the four basic pillars of social selling so You can create more opportunities for your for yourself and more the opportunities more chances of opening a relationship. See I did not say closing a sale because closing sounds very negative to me now. Anyhow, the first thing or the first pillar is to build your own personal brand. Remember, we talked about differentiating differentiating yourself from the rest of the crowd in sales right who are competing with you could be the next or the guy before you who presented somebody in your organization, whatever it is. But how do you differentiate yourself? We talked about it, but this is another key area that you can personal brand is another way that you can Stand Out Among the crowd A salesperson with a strong personal brand online on social media channels. Come across someone. Who is knowledgeable about his product and services he or she is an active participant in the business right and contributes and knows the industry. So you come across somebody who is an authority a thought leader. This makes you one right rather than just being a salesperson the one that was going to use some high pressure tactics and and sales close to close this deal or make that deal or open that relationship. You actually become a thought to Order more on how to build a personal brand as a sales rep coming up later numbers 2 which is the second pillar of social selling is Target the Right audience, right? How much time do you yourself is spend browsing social media channels be it Facebook LinkedIn Twitter not so much Twitter in Saskatchewan Instagram. Now, I'm going to ask you this. How many opportunities do you see when you do that right if you haven't that's okay. Next time are you on when you are on either Instagram or Facebook? Just browse what your competitors are doing, right? Who are they? Who do they follow and most importantly who follows them find that I'll just do a little audit basically Now find your customers the second step to this is find your own customers take a list of five six customers that you've recently sold. You and see which channels do they hang out on are they on Instagram? Are they on Facebook? The reason to the main reason you want to do this is because simply your current customers are hanging out where they have like-minded people right social is all about because I can post something then my friends and family and the people that I know can see it right. So they're like minded people who could be potentially your very good future customers are also hanging out on that channel waiting for you to connect and sell to them. Okay. So number third pillar that I have is engage with industry best practices and share some insights. You're an expert you are not just another sales person on the block now position yourself as a thought leader as a subject matter expert share some best practices share industry insights because you guys get a nice get the details first. Before anyone else, right? Mix it up with your own touch. Give it your own personality and publish it. This is one way how you build your own personal Brand number four. And this one is also an important one fourth pillar is built trust with relationships. Okay, when you are active on social media, you will not only get connected with these great audience who are somewhat interested in what you have to say. And someday they're ready to buy right you actually on social media have a very good chance of having a conversation a conversation with them so you can converse with them. So I deal with a lot of car dealerships. So I'm going to put that example in perspective. But this is true for any any sales. Okay Car Sales because car sales are so many car salespeople. How do what am I going to post? That's my very Common thing that people sales managers actually ask me huh? Yeah, I know people are on Instagram and Facebook, but you know what socket what are we going to post? What should I post and most of them who do this? They actually post happy customers when they buy which is fine. There's nothing wrong with it. But I'm going to give you a couple of ideas here. Hopefully that you can use let's say you are in car sales. Okay. Now you see a post on Facebook that there is a customer who just purchased a vehicle. Recently from a used car dealership in that same city that you work in and now she's having troubles there is some sort of a mechanical issue with it and she has a whole rant going on on one of the Facebook groups about Automotive that how poor her experience was with this dealership or with that vehicle right now. Jump in as a sales leader thought leader jump into that conversation and say simply something along this line Rita. I'm going to use Rita because everyone use John and Bob by the way, so Rita, I understand how you're feeling today, you know buying a vehicle is a major major investment. My name is sahib and I represent good cars motors in XYZ City, and I just wanted to jump in and advise you a couple of things based on. Experience what I've seen on by all means I'm not a mechanic or have mechanical background but being in car sales I've seen that this is not a big issue that you're facing and it can be fixed in one two, three. However, many tips you can give based on your experience now. If you like I can actually arrange a call from someone in my service department to help you out with it. And here's the number that you can reach me at boom. You close that post posted publish it. Okay, even if Rita does not response back to you. Okay, that's fine. No worries because this post is now on that wall and will remain there for others to see. So maybe it retail will not benefit you but this post will benefit you in the long run. Okay. Now I truly hope that when you do this, you understand that you're not just coming across a regular sales person. You're coming across someone who is a thought leader who is someone who cares about their their customers. So so think about your positioning now in the community as a Salesman, right? Can use LinkedIn for the same reason you can use other channels do and once again I'm going to say this isn't true for car sales people only that's b2c consumer type. So I gave you an example on that but B2B is relevant as well. Right B2B. I think is more relevant than B to C to be honest with you because people who are making bigger buying decisions as a business-to-business are going to check your profile on LinkedIn are going to check your social media profiles and if You are coming across as a thought leader chances are you're going to differentiate yourself versus the next gentleman or the gentleman before you presenting the same product. So if you sell advertising like me share brass best practices and thought on that right? I do that on website department DOT. CA I put post blogs and I do all that kind of good stuff. So that's that's where I do it. I'm also on Instagram doing it if you sell real estate, right? Have a real estate client and I tell them the same thing. I'm like, I'm just going to give you a couple of examples and ideas that he'd like, what am I going to post? I'm like boy. Just you know, if you are in a neighborhood turn your Instagram on take a one-minute quicker out quick walk around of that neighborhood from that home. Hey, man, look at this. So quiet neighborhood such, you know, whatever those beautiful things in that neighborhood you find just speak to it and boom and if you have if you're doing an open house that day why not just do a walk-around post it post it on Instagram again. Here. I am this is the house. If you want to check it out today is the day I'm here from such-and-such showers, right? So and even if you are selling something like stationary and you deal with B2B businesses again, Start hitting Instagram start hitting Facebook and social media. Even LinkedIn connect people right connect a customers who buy from you look them up and connect with them, especially on LinkedIn build your portfolio. Now what what this will do, right? Because if you don't do it, I chose I guarantee you someone else coming up in a few years. We'll actually the people you deal with right now will have they will have them as a follower. So that's heels. Rep who's upcoming will have these customers as their followers and he or she is going to post all the cool new stationery products and just do a quick demo every week twice a week maybe and display those things to the audience even though if they're interested or not, but they're she's or he is actually going to educate them on that station any product and what are you doing? Right? So think about this and just play around man there is Rule, there is no rule as such that you should do shouldn't do on social media, but there's only one rule that I think there is especially for social media is to do the work get your hands dirty get the work done. It's not easy, right but making a sale isn't easy as well. Right? So make sure we we take some tips from here. I'm going to continue the social media. Selling podcasting a little bit more because there's a lot more we can do with social media then we realized today. So once again, thanks for tuning in. I truly hope you had a great Christmas. Today's the boxing day and happy New Years to you. All from me at fastest way to learn sales check out my page on Instagram at fastest way to learn sales, and I will see you on the next show. Thank you.

Social selling means using Social Media Channels such as LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram and others to connect with your current & future customers. The quote I shared on Social Selling in by, Jill Rowley Jill Rowley is Social Selling Expert, and she can make you a Master at Social Selling. "Before LinkedIn, and other Social Media Networks, ABC stood for Always Be Closing. Now it means to Always Be Connecting" The content covered in today's sales podcast show: #1 - Stats On Social Selling Learn how the sales professionals who are using Social Media are making more sales, more money and having fun at the same time doing it! #2 - The Four Pillars of Social Media Selling A: Building Your Personal Brand B: Finding Target Audience C: Engaging Audience with Industry's Best Practices & Key Insights D: Building Relationship of Trust  Each one of this is discussed in depth in the episode, so make sure you play the Social Selling Episode on today's show to get ahead of your competitors. Who Can Use Social Selling: Anyone who is in Sales. Business to Business (B2B) Business to Consumer (B2C) What will you learn: Social Selling Strategies & Ideas if you are in Car Sales Business, Real Estate Business, Digital Marketing Sales or Sell Stationary to Businesses. You can benefit from the show. Fastest Way To Learn Sales is a 3 times weekly Sales Podcast Show hosted by Saqib Irfan who is based out of Saskatoon. Saqib's LinkedIn Instagram Handle: @FastestWayToLearnSales

All right, everybody. Welcome back to the best of their day Fern here. I'm here with one of my favorites Bobby Millsaps. So I was thinking about this yesterday and I was trying to figure out like how I would describe you. So I used to work. I worked with this dude and Iraq and and he was a master chief EOD Tech and he was he was like this pretty iconic dude in the community and his name was Jerry homes, but he was a universally known as Jerry motherfucking homes.Such such to the point. His business cards had Jerry MF homes on it and it was in his signature block and I was like, I feel like I feel like that would be appropriate to talk to like that would be Bobby's name like Bobby motherfucking Millsaps. Like I think that would be appropriate. That's uh, that's pretty rad. That's I'll accept that nobody out. Well, the thing is like everybody I think everybody would be like, yeah, that is Bobby. He's right for you, but seems appropriate. Yeah, um, no, but yeah, I'm super stoked to have Bobby on so I'll give you guys a real brief snapshot. So Bobby kind of 2006 roughly started CrossFit. So she's been 14 years almost at this point in the community seminar staff has judged at the game's numerous years has been intimately involved in the administrative side for HQ and testing things like that, but just has Really really entrenched in CrossFit since the beginning like before it was CrossFit an affiliate owner for many many years. So she has a lot of insight into a lot of different things with regard to CrossFit at the affiliate level at the HQ level all that stuff. And yeah, and I just genuinely do enjoy talking to her. So this is going to be fun. But so we were just we were just literally just chatting for about 20 minutes before we hit record, but So you live out in the country now, so like you super into horses and all that stuff. But like what was your Dance was your background. Yes, and then so if anybody's ever been to a seminar with with Bobby who's lovingly of referred to as Bobby Joe in many cases many instances good mover like and most the answers are oddly enough. Yeah, I'm not oddly enough, but super flexible really good squat stuff like that. What how long did you dance for? I started when I was five years old and And I finished right before I turned 20. So 15 years. Yeah, what happened? I always I'm always curious as to what kind of dance so I went to a pretty strict School Dance Academy where the lady that ran at. She was a She's from England and she went to the Royal Ballet school in England. And her name was mrs. Freeman and we were all required to start with ballet. Only pretty no pink tights black leotard hair in a bun just not like you couldn't just show up even at five years old. So you had to be kind of groomed into being able to do other style. So I started with ballet and tap and then moved into jazz contemporary classic jazz. What is contemporary? It's like my I don't know if you're familiar with modern dance. Is this an is this interpretive not I mean, yes and no is this out of Will Ferrell when he's got the streamer from from old school and he's like, you know that I don't know what that is. That's comedy. So I guess I should rephrase the maybe not contemporary. We started with modern dance. So Martha Graham and Alvin Ailey and that type of movement it's a lot more athletic than people might think and it takes a lot more strength and just ability to put your body into some some odd positions but contemporary would be more kind of what they would call like lyrical dance or you know where you're just dancing you're feeling it's clearly dancing your feelings to a song like what you would see on that show like So You Think You Can Dance what most of them are doing when they're Dancing to like love songs, or okay. I got ya and this is layman's terms. But yes, I was thinking more like of that kind of like weird. I want to say hippie that like will call it. You know, what's the word but like strange we're like they're dancing and you're like, what are they doing right now? Like I mean clearly there's a song in that person's head, but it's not what I'm listening the carrot. They're just they're ofp. They're listening to their own song. Yeah, so we were pretty restricted to more like classical styles of dance. So I didn't it wasn't like hip-hop or cheer anything. I'm like that it was very very traditional and try to take a look into a ballet class and the second we tried to put tights and a leotard on her. That was that that was the end of ballet class. She was not having it so not having it. I don't think I don't think you know traditional dance is going to be in her future, but I was kind of that was like my first exposure to too. As I got older when you were in high school a way to pay for your tuition because if you're at a competitive level things get really expensive and a way to pay for your tuition is to pay your dues by assisting with the little kids classes. So like as in an like an assistant instructor kind of yeah, which you know, essentially when you first start is kind of a lot like interning on seminar stuff you're just Shut your mouth and do as you're told just running around and you know, try not to let anybody mess things up which with little kids. It is really fun to see little kids when they first start to find a beat in dance or Start to kind of learn to memorize steps. I think anything like that's good for kids to any any any sport where you're required to memorize movement patterns and repeat them over and over. I think that's it's great. Yeah, we all like Logan's definitely not there like she definitely Falls in that interpretive dance category that I was describing earlier. We're just like you do you kid. She's so then so let's talk a little bit about a year into your entrance. So 2006 is a different time than most people probably don't even can't even comprehend what CrossFit was back then? Yeah. It is day two definitely no longer resembles that today. Yeah. Yes. And I mean, yeah, I guess the community I guess I should be more specific there like CrossFit in and of itself the methodology the delivery of like that hasn't really changed much at all. Right, so I was Just thrown into it. My husband Brandon his Billet in the Marine Corps at the time had a lot to do with developing new combat conditioning program for the Marine Corps and they just started researching a lot of different forms of functional fitness and Crossfit was kind of referred to do them through another subject matter expert that they use for The only way I know how to say it is like stalking like human stalking and all that stuff. They went cracking whatever and so one of the guys that they knew Hunter Armstrong. He knew Dave Warner Nick Nibbler of Crossfit North who I think they might have been maybe like the fourth CrossFit affiliate or first cross the affiliate something like that. Yeah when your CrossFit affiliate is named after a cardinal direction, you're probably pretty hard pretty high on the list as far as affiliate numbers. Yeah, so They went up to Seattle Crossfit North and it was Brandon and like one or two other dudes and he called me and he said this place is like a big playground for grown-ups. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, they're like cargo Nets and there are these plates that you can draw up and they bounce there. Hang in there is Rings like it's crazy. He then he was trying to explain to me that he won a t-shirt for going sub-10 on a workout called Helen and I didn't even know what that was intense. That's pretty good back in the day. Yeah, 2005 they gave him a T-shirt and it was like a little cartoon. It was like a little sketch of like a submarine. It just had the number like 10, but then like two days later he was still out there and he called me and he was like, I am so sore. I cannot. Get out of bed. He was like, but I'll tell you right now. This shit is the real fucking deal and it came home and he was like Doing it at work during lunch breaks, whatever but were they were was a training Battalion. So they just trained a lot and coincidentally at another school house on TBS the basic School in Quantico were Brian Shawn Tosh and Todd Whitman and they somehow it get together with Brandon and a couple of other dudes and they would just start trying to all three of them were there at the same time. Yeah at the basic school. So Tosh and I did not know that yeah Taschen talk. Were over at ioc session auction, of course, they are instructors over there and then Brandon was there an instructor at the mace the martial arts center. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, they'd both been on the podcast. That's I didn't realize they were all there at the same time. That's really cool. Yeah, Jimmie Lunceford was somewhere around there. She often feels like he works for the warfighting lab maybe on Main side Quantico, but the pool. I don't know if you've ever been to the basic school on Quantico. Yeah, so, you know, it's like main side and and FBI Academy and all that stuff in the middle and the basic school and the pool is shared by all the schoolhouses and training entities on the basic school. And so they would take like barbells and plates and throw them in the pool. They would try to do like underwater Fran and all just all kinds of craziness and sounds safe. Yeah, and then throughout their continued Brandon's continued kind of development and trying to come up with new ways to Keep you know Marines fit for combat and develop that program coach invited him to a level one and it was in San Diego back. When there they were like almost three days long and all the smes would come coach burgener. They would have you know, someone come out and talk about rowing and they talk about that a little bit because I don't think everybody sees the well-oiled machine. That is the level one level two these days. A two-day course, it's very much, you know, it's structured but very but very seamlessly run but it used to basically resemble a conference is probably the best way I would explain it like it was just a it was this conglomerate of people that would show up and talk about their thing. Yeah, I think from the time between the time when Brandon went to his level 1 and the time that I went to mind they had tried to maybe cut that down a little bit like we didn't have the big we don't have a bunch of smes at our course Buddy Lee Buddy Lee was our course in 2006. But yeah, but back then it was I think it was almost like a three-day event and you'll get to work out like 10 Tommy. Yeah, you worked out a lot. Lat and at that time Brandon Met coach burgener my partner who invited the Marines that were at the course back to his house to just lift in his garage and somehow out of all that it came about that. Hey, you guys should come to our Olympic lifting Course in San Diego in September. So when Brandon started CrossFit he was you know, he's like Foundation is with the list. He was just kind of drilling that into my head and drill in the non movements and to me and so essentially for like six months when he got his first exposure to CrossFit and then when I went to coach bargainers Course in San Diego, I'd never put my hands on a barbell only worked on the 9 movements and then the clean and jerk and snatch with a PVC pipe filled with sand in her basement. In her townhouse in Quantico. Did you get fitter? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got fitter. I wasn't really doing CrossFit with intensity because the dancer and me thought that everything needed to be perfect. So I was that analogy you guys give the love of want to give up a level one about every movements. Perfect. And what do we want them to speed up or what? So see I went to the I went to the Olympic lifting gig in September 2006. And that was the first time I checked in for registration that I met Nicole Nicole Carol and I'd only ever seen her in the videos not raining and I would watch on cross a.com, you know, just like everybody else back then we would watch them at work. We had watch him on our dial-up internet whenever you know you had time and I was like kind of StarStruck, you know checked in and because she had known Brandon and the community was still pretty small at that time. She gave she just gave me the biggest hug and I was like, wow, these people are really nice and so it my Olympic lifting course back then I mean it was kind of like a the All-Star list, right? It was coach burgener. Let it at Rancho Buena Vista High School the high school where he used to be the coach strength conditioning got his daughter Sage was there running, you know the demo for him. Amy and I was there I get over was there. Let's see who else so Dave Castro was there and and then participants that were going through the course. We're like me my husband Brandon Todd Whitman went through the Olaf course at the same time. EC went through the same old. Of course, you think I'm okay. Yeah and And I was I was just hooked I was the first time I ever touched a barbell and I was like this kind of my new ballet. You know, that's cool. Yeah, and I just fired me up to you because we weren't even really doing workouts were just lifting and so anytime somebody would improve in their technique you worked out on a platform with a group of like three people. You just get so fired up for other people just to see them improve their movement. And did you pick did you pick up the list pretty quickly because Only dancers are quick studies because they have better awareness body awareness than other people like but they're not you. They're not generally great at like once you give them a load like they're just like they're not the strongest I guess is the way I would yeah that and that is exactly that's exactly the case with me when it was light loads or empty barbells PVC. Yeah picked it up really really quickly, but there was a disconnect in me having the ability to understand that I needed to use oddly enough open extend my hip to generate that power because with dance even though you're extending your hip for a lot of the powerful movements, you're not even you're not thinking about it. Everything's generated from like your core legs and and all that stuff, but we spent a lot of time in partial squat positions in state affairs and so to wrap blee just extend so you can Move an object it didn't translate for me like Dance. I mean like and it should because it's a very fluid kind of it, but it generally like lacks aggression. Oh, yeah. I was very I was very slow with the lists load up pull underneath for the receiving position snatch slow to pull underneath cleans. Everything that I did was almost like a it was always power cleans power snatch has had a hard time like driving underneath the bar in jerks. I did make it so fluid. It was very slow. So almost just like a jump and press and lightly fall underneath. If you were that person that has the soft feet to the ground. They're just like my feet just like you can't hear their feet at all. They just kind of like very gently get to the ground the feet. Yeah, but in the overcorrection of that is having because back then I don't think most of us could see good movement versus bad movement and We could we could execute it to a certain degree, but we didn't really know how to correct it very well because it was still so new to us. And at that time the only you know, brilliant people were the people that had really just worked under Greg. Yeah Santa Cruz like, you know, Nicole and Annie and Michelle boots and all those folks and and then the smes right? And so when you have one of your peers who's kind of learning it as you're learning it's a lie. Oh just being more aggressive. Your feet that turns into just the good old donkey kick foot stomp know maybe if I'm loud these wooden shoes on this wooden floor that is aggression. That sounds man. If I smash my feet on the ground harder that will translate into lifting heavy weights. So yeah, and it never never yeah. So from there, I guess. Brandon was still working with Coach on a lot of that stuff and Coach invited me to come to a level one. And so I went to my level one in Boston in October 2006 and I had no idea what to expect. I had no idea what was going on. Brandon was like assisting kind of back then your they're attending so you've done that you've done the lifting and then now you're attending the level one. Yes. Yes. And Brandon was kind of assisting with running groups a lot. It's a lot different than it is now. But yeah, I just I had no idea what was going on and I hadn't really even done of like a full crossfit workout because a lot of what I did was just learning the movements. I don't really I never had intensity or anything like that. Yeah. Coach did every lecture and a lot of it was crazy over my head. I still have my notebook from My Level 1 and I've words that are circled that were reminders for me to go look those up in a dictionary. Well, I mean in all fairness, I still feel that way when I was into him talk. Sometimes I like Yeah, but it was a dose man, but it was cool like you walked in and the community was still so small. I feel like I've seen so many of these people just Here in there and just meeting them through Brandon or meeting at their coach and walking to the course and obviously coach was there and Cole was their Dave was their land pits Kelly more Greg amundsen Jesse witty. They were there just a law and then taking the course at the same time was John Gilson and I did our level one. Okay, so there was not a ton of structure in terms of well, it didn't seem to me like Looking back on it. You know how now we have the, you know, we have our lectures on our timelines and our schedules and material that needs to be presented. It was a lot of Greg just Being brilliant brain dumping on everybody. Yeah and like you couldn't get enough I got he could have been reading the phone book and I would like this is the smartest thing I've ever heard my life like I'm sold and I feel like really The one thing that really stuck out to me in the lecture and at the time I don't know if it was supposed to be the what is Fitness lecture if it was him talking about I can't remember but I just remember him really talking about. The sickness wellness fitness Continuum and I was just dumbfounded and kind of like that makes total sense when he explained how Fitness is a hedge against sickness. Like you have to pass you will pass through the parameters of like in the biomarkers of normal before you get sick and I was like man like being an athlete my whole life. And just being exposed even after I stopped dancing. I went into the Fitness World teaching like aerobics group fitness, but I always worked always always worked out always lifted and did some form of Fitness, but I just remember thinking like wow like this is why we train It had never occurred to me before that, right? Like everybody thinks you're training mostly for Aesthetics or to lose body fat, but you don't really know why you want to lose body fat. You just know that you don't want to have body fat because it's not attractive or whatever. You don't want high blood pressure. I don't know why you don't want high blood pressure. I don't at that time. I don't even think I knew what have led pressure markers really were like, I was pretty ignorant to the sciency part of everything. Well, I think I think Most people were honestly I think back at that time and you know my whole life I was an athlete but it never occurred to me that you would train to be for your health. Right? Like it was always like yeah, I have to be the best at the sport and then post Athletics. It was just to essentially just not be fat rat like you maintain your like I'm at I'm in a maintenance phase now, basically which but it wasn't ever a it wasn't ever it. Never crossed my mind to continue to chase something else after it from a fitness standpoint was just like maybe I could be fitter than I was in college, you know, if the way we think about Fitness now, yeah, I don't think that was weird. I think that's kind of how everybody viewed it. Like it wasn't a health. It was almost like it was almost like you were just doing it to kind of not be sick, but not necessarily to be healthy if that makes sense - yeah, correct. and I feel like it's also one of those things where there was never a correlation in my mind to working out eating healthy and like not getting heart disease and I don't know why I don't know why I never Associated working out with sickness in general, you know because we I mean, we just weren't taught that in school or Whatever and when you're an athlete growing up, most of your stuff is like hey, I'm doing this to be better and to like win at whatever it is. I'm competing in but like you said, but when you're an adult and you're still training, you're just basically training to maintain whatever level you can was largely aesthetic. I mean if you think about the 80s and aerobics and and just that come let's probably went like Jazzercise and probably like hit its peak. Yeah like its it was all Based on physique. It was purely aesthetic suppose like you want to look this way, but it was never driven as like this is going to be beneficial to your health long term. It's just like you don't want to be sloppy looking basically. Yeah, and I think you know when when Brandon's whole mission with the Marine Corps and and working with Greg when all that came about it was essentially questioning. What good is it going to do a marine or anybody in the military in in a combat situation if they can run an 18-minute three mile run time be able to do 20 strict pull-ups and power many crunches and like each military branch has their own fitness test, but they're all bigger all very they're the same flavor flavor with just a slight tweak. Yeah. And so I think that that's really why cross it was so With the military so early on is because you know it generally it genuinely was making people healthier and fitter to be able to stay alive in combat. I mean Tasha's talked about that on numerous occasions when he started doing that and like playing rugby with his with his the guys in his platoon and his squads and stuff like that. And then it's it's interesting that at the ground level people. People understood it, like whatever that was almost 15 years ago. Yeah, but it's still taking that long. So I was just in San Antonio at Lackland Air Force Base. So we did a level one at the yeah the Air Force Base there and it's really cool to see the higher-ups. Like the o6 has the people that have the ability to really make change their have bought into this idea of long-term health and fitness and they're trying to so really it is a Knoll a One is the basic entry point for all Airmen an Air Force. They all go through basic training at Lackland. Air Force has a really big bass, but they are investing a lot of time and money into basically really bringing these brand-new Airman and like giving them the tools for Health and Wellness on day one because what they're looking at which the same thing we look at is can we reduce the long-term cost? That is the long tail of service members? Being sick and like what do they need insurance long-term and like what it like disability payments and all that stuff. So they're really starting to look at that really really hard and it was cool because like everybody there was super stoked and it was a 50 some odd person seminar and everybody there was like in it and it was great. So yeah, it's a it's pretty awesome to look back we used to do a lot of military courses and I think that's starting to come back. The Air Force is like we will take He's as frequently as we can make them happen. I think it's coming back. Especially, you know, and I can't really speak to a ton of it because I don't know the ins and outs, but I know now that a lot of the stuff has come to light with the NSC a and just the basic slander of our program that just really shed us in a bad light for for government organizations. I think now that that's kind of over and done and I think we're going to start moving back into those those spots. We I remember doing a course in at Fort Leavenworth. Earth I wish I believe Correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like it's with the Army were fighting. That's a I think that's a Joint Base but it's it is a it is joint because there was a there was a marine who was kind of instrumental in bringing it there, but we did a couple there and I remember only work there once it was like our second one. This is back in maybe like 2009-2010 and there was a colonel that went through level 1 one and at the end of the workout on day one. He asked if it was okay, if he if he spoke to everybody and he just kind of stood up on a plyo box in the middle of this gymnasium and talk to all the soldiers going through the local one and the staff and and he was really fired up. He was like this is gonna save lives. This is gonna make people better. It's going to make people happier and healthier like you it was pretty awesome. And that's kind of the feeling that I think most people get when they go to the level 1. It's certainly the feeling that that I had it mind even though I remember doing Fran at the end of day one. All right. Well, I remember at lunch asking Brandon. What workout are we going to do? And he said Fran and I started crying I started crying and he's like it's fine. You can scale it cuz I cried because I said I can't do pull-ups. All right, you know, yeah, and I've been trying to get like one dead hang pull up for months so much so that I ended up tearing an AB like it's like split straight up and down and it oh wow gave me like a little hernia. I would just get on the pull-up bar and just straight and strange. I didn't even know at or anything, you know, and it was just my All because I was just like try so hard so many times a day just going into that level one because I knew that we were probably going to have to do a pull-up. So we do Fran and I remember at the time going through the course also a level one where Jennifer and my pet regalo who went on to open and still currently own operate CrossFit Pittsburgh okay to of just like my favorite people, but Jan was A lot like me, you know, we're kind of like our husbands were military. They're like you're going to go to this CrossFit shit with me we're going to do it's going to be awesome. And at that time at the level one, you didn't necessarily have to like do the workout of the day. You don't have to do friend. But for me, I had to Brandon it was like a not you're doing it. You're not going to embarrass me. If you know do this fucking work out. So I not embarrass me in front of my friends. Yeah, basically and so I just remember getting set up with I think it was the 55-pound bar and I met Jen Patrick, although I to this day like she's still one of my happiest memories, even though it was terrible at the moment. I'm like you're doing this work out with me, and I didn't know her. At all, I just need to somebody that was kind of like me and didn't want to do this workout. I was like you're doing it and I remember having to scale the pull up and it was jumping pull-ups. And I remember she and I side by side on this Boulevard doing jumping pull-ups and she goes she looks over at me in the middle of work. I she's like, why did you make me do this? Because I wasn't gonna do it by myself. Good my gonna do this nonsense by myself. Yeah, somebody else. Yeah. And so and then the next day it was just more of things being over my head, but my mind being blown and you know learning in that learning about what the sport of Fitness actually is, which I think yeah if I never thought like, oh my God, I should actually try to be better every time I work out. Dead of trying to maintain like we were talking about and we did fight gone bad and I'd never had never touched a med ball. I've never thrown one and I got three total wall ball points because my partner was ships bit of an asshole like give it to me and I mean clearly hey effort effort. You see the effort over here. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know the 10-foot Target. I'm five to I'd never done it. I got on a good day your five to Bobby. Come on. Now. I am three rounds. She counted only three total reps and the numbers. Well, well that know because the first one I threw up and it came back down and hit me in the face. And then realizing that you still had like all this time left and all these other exercises to do somewhere along the way. I think it was in the second or third round of box jumps had to stop and run outside and throw up. I was crying Nicole was there and she was crying because I was crying because she Nicole she has she's great with her ability to just kind of empathize and yeah, very emotionally intelligent that way and she also gets Motivated sand people. Yeah Frost it, you know and celebrate that. I mean if you think back to watch a nasty girls when she had a rough day she she cried in that video a little bit. So maybe that she he felt for me because she knows what it feels like to be short doing well walls and getting smashed in the face and box jumps getting smashed in the face, you know, so yeah from then on I was sold we had we drove to that gig From Quantico. So we had a good like I don't know maybe 10 hours back. Oh, wow, and I was so just just popped. Yeah, and then I don't know what happened. We got invited to go to another level one in May of 2007 and in Golden Colorado and they asked if I would like to assist and try to like help coach groups and get evaluated and I We know what that meant at the time and so the first part of the course one of the people evaluate me was Pat Sherwood and then the second part of the course and the one who gave me kind of my final eval was might minium of CrossFit Oakland, but at that course going through their level one. It was that was spieler Chris spealler. Dennis Marshall, okay, Becky harsh. Yeah, and it it was elevation. It was a humbling experience, you know just in general to even just have to walk and talk at the same time. Yeah, but that was a dose of a weekend in that I kind of just found my Niche I'm like, hey, I might not be able to move a ton of weight. And I know I'm not the best athlete here. But damn I really love coaching and I just got invited to do a private military gig at weapons training Battalion and Quantico that summer and then from then on the rest is history. I got to they asked if I Nicole emailed me and said hey, I heard you did a great job. Do you want to come down to Jacksonville, Florida? And that was September 2007 and that's where I met Mike G and Jenny and Yeah, it was it was awesome. And then the rest is just kind of for me the Roses. History. Yeah, how long after that? Did you guys start your affiliate? So that was September when I came on staff September 2007 I was not in any kind of an affiliate situation until July of 2008 when we moved to Columbia South Carolina Branham was an officer selection recruiter in Columbia. And one of the guys who had gone through a level one. We got to know him really well and he asked if I would like to come in and run as Jim and I had no experience running an affiliate. No experience really even Coaching outside of the level one. Yeah, so I was kind of a reverse Right started on staff before. Yeah. I was coaching an affiliate and I don't think that was that was pretty common at that time. Honestly, like a lot of people weren't opening Affiliates so far back in the day. Yeah, definitely not like today where you know just it's happens every day, basically, right? And so I worked at Carolina CrossFit and helps ran and I took over. I remember when you took over programming for the affiliate in January of 2009 and we opened our affiliate in North East Columbia, South Carolina in June 2010. So yeah, so at the time I was working on seminar staff and working. this affiliate downtown and oui. Would always just kind of we always had a garage gym set up even though we had an affiliate to go work out at but it was about 20-25 minutes away. Yeah, and so even those folks are even the owner of the gym, we would have people over to our house. We would do workouts drink beer hang out and then work with Crossfit HQ picked up enough to a degree that I was working with testing. I started doing the testing stuff and an accreditation 7 Nan and still work and gigs and I just didn't have the time to be able to make it into the downtown Columbia area to wasn't that Jan and so as an outlet because I just couldn't let it go just start coaching people out of our garage and it just got big enough that we were like should we move into a space and then we decided no and then brain I was just driving home from work one afternoon and he pulled into this industrial complex and He went to open the door to one of these, you know, one of the little complex areas and it was unlocked but it had been abandoned. So we went on to find out the people had skipped out and Brandon contacted the landlord the people that Managed IT and own that facility and they gave us a really great rate on it and next thing, you know, I guess we have like an official affiliate location. We're not our garage anymore. So this is where I have so many questions. Ins cuz yeah, are you guys open June 2010? I think yeah, I think the armor of the exact time frame but it's like we opened ours like around November 4 October of 2009. and the list of shit that I've done poorly is far longer than the list of things I've done right? Let's put it that way. Yeah, but I always like to ask people. I'm like, what are some of the things like if you could if you could go back in time, what would you do differently? I will stop let me start with like what I think we did pretty okay. Okay, we didn't go in all out meaning like meaning when we had our garage Jim we had to of like we just made it a point to have two of everything, you know, one female and drop 20 G's on equipment. Right? And so when we moved into the space we Basically just up to that to where we had five of everything. Yep, and we programmed so that we could have our classes in a way that we were able to stagger heat or run more than one heat because also at that time there wasn't like Rogue wasn't a huge. I mean, this is 2010. You couldn't get equipment back then like no you don't understand that but like that wasn't like the Rogue was not even a thing. Then like I don't think they really like I mean in 2000 and 2009. Maybe I remember like being in some field in Ohio and like billandkatie like running around like just like They were just hauling equipment around like I remember. Yeah, so we got we were in being in Columbia, South Carolina. We were just about an hour south of Charlotte, North Carolina. So we would go up there because muscle driver was up there and if you can get stuff for muscle driver and we could go up there and pick it up instead of having to have it shipped or you could just walk to their warehouse and look at their scratch and dent material and boss scratch and dent. I mean there was barely there's nothing even wrong with me and then Then we had to order custom racks. We had one rack. So kind of like, you know, a lot of what robe does for grow mushrooms now where it's you know, the pull-up bar wig with just you know for one bar bill and we custom ordered about five of those. So we'll for so we had one going into it and then we ordered for more. I remember on our opening our grand opening day. We did fight gone bad, but we only had one rower. So we did fight gone bad with burpees instead of rowers and then I would say rowers were the most expensive piece of gear as a new affiliate owner to be able to have enough of something to be able to run workouts with the wonderful are to be honest with you. Yeah that That's the one thing that we just would kind of. As finances allowed we would always just go and buy it was always a rower barbells and bumper plates. Yeah, but we everything was very very slow and methodical and we never brain and I didn't open an affiliate to make money. We both had jobs use an active duty Marine at the time. He was a he was a gunny. He's an E7 and you know, I was working full time. I was working pretty much full-time. I'm for CrossFit with testing and and helping Nicole with accreditation stuff. And then I was still working a decent amount of gigs sometimes three a month. So on that note because this is always an interesting kind of discussion because there's a lot of people that that opened Affiliates at that time without with no real intention of making it a viable business they could live off of do you think that was a pro or a con for you guys? So that leads into my cause? We love to coach so much that it just it just seemed like the next step for us to just be able to have our own place and do our own programming and just coach and have a good time. But the mistake the major mistake that we made in that we didn't need the money. We basically just needed to make rent which is pretty easy to do. Yeah, and we owned everything out right cash. So we never I did we didn't Go into debt to buy equipment. Yeah, I we undervalued our time. And so whereas at the time most CrossFit Gyms, I mean on the west coast. It was just a totally different. Yeah, then it was on the East Coast but also in in the South and Columbia South Carolina where it's hard to get people to understand that hey, there's this new, you know functional fitness is where it's at like you can pay $30 a month and go to Gold's Gym and swipe a membership card, and they honestly won't know if you're dead. Because yeah, you're getting Auto draft at every month. Hmm. We were hesitant to charge. What we felt we were worth and we went like the exact opposite to a point to where we charged. I think it was 75 bucks a month. four for membership, we had no contracts we check everything with we just did everything through PayPal and Your gym will grow but our goal also wasn't to like grow we didn't want to be huge. So it's like well, we probably should have priced higher if we valued our time in that more people is, you know, more responsibility and we both still had full-time jobs. We were never opened during the middle of the day. We would do like the 6 a.m. 7 a.m. I think I can on 30 and then we would open back up at 4:00 or 4:30 and then go until about 8:30 8:30 at night, but we were always closed in the middle of the day because Brandon work downtown. I worked in the middle of the day and charging 75 bucks a month was great. I think it was helpful and I got the message to more people. Yeah. But at a certain point you almost start to resent the fact that you have to go in. And Coach, I wish you weren't you. I wish more people would talk about that openly like that's a real one. It is a real thing when when you don't value your time in a way and I say you don't value your time because you really don't like it if you have a certain skill set and you're great at what you do. Your time is valuable when you're coaching other people because it's not just about how well you coach. It's about how much you give a shit and we really gave a shit because we really love to train people. Yeah, and so we weren't just invested in coaching them. We were and we genuinely Loved These human beings. Like if I didn't see them, I would text them all on like hey, where have you been give him shit when we did see him the next time we were constantly doing like You know, I think it was Thursday nights. We do thirsty Thursday. So after the last class of the night, we'd go out to dinner with whoever wanted to go have some drinks, you know, you could do. In March, we had always do like March magnet Madness basketball tournament we go take everybody go golf could play golf didn't matter. We just go out and have fun just a lot of events because our community was so tight knit at the time. And we genuinely loved them. But at the same time when you are only charging a certain amount of cash, you know, you're not taking a paycheck everything that you make your putting back into the facility so you can buy more gear because you have more people because it means you're doing something good. Yeah, but when you start solo it's very difficult from then on to increase your prices and members talk, right? And so if you have your core group of like 30 people that have been with you since the beginning and they've been paying 75 bucks a month. It's really hard to then say It will now our rate is like 125 and then that new person wants to know why this person only has to pay. Well, can I please just get that because my kids start school and yeah have the sport coming up and then you find yourself trying to come up with these creative ways to figure out a way that you can only charge them 75. Well, if you only come three times a week, I'll let you have it for 75 and then it's just a giant shitshow of trying to manage a business which I had no interest in doing. Yeah and neither. So did Vernon at the end of the day we were just coaches who were really shitty business people and I hated having the money talk with anybody. So I'd always make Brandon do it and I just I just I get uncomfortable with all that and I long for long roughly before you kind of got I don't want to say salty. But before you started to get a little salty about it before you're like, I don't really love this anymore. Like I don't want to teach class I would say in. Towards the end of 2011 and I'll tell you why it that's pretty fast. Well, here's our situation was rather unique but one at the time we were doing more gigs, right? So so CrossFit seminars were up which was great because that means you're working more seminars you you understand that that's also emotionally taxing and late taxes. And because you're on such a high and your meeting so many people and you're staying in touch with so many people and you have such a great time meeting all these new participants who are just getting their first exposure to this stuff. So they're pumped they actually want to be there and then you go back to your classes and you have some people that it's like pulling teeth just to get them to like smile or put out. The workout but in June live 2011 Brandon's Brandon's tamils up in Colombia. He had to PCS to Camp Lejeune. Yeah. Got it, North Carolina, which was four hours away. And so the downside of that was then it was all on myself and then just one other trainer that we had groomed and all of our trainers were groomed from within there's there's never a chance where which trainer was that her name is Jen Matthews. Okay. I was going to I thought it was God he was on the run seven all about time. But yeah, so Jen she walked into our doors on the day we opened and she was with us ever since she's a middle school teacher just a one of the best humans I've ever met in my life. She beautiful intelligent just such a kind-hearted. Genuine person and she because she teaches middle school. She's great at dealing with varying degrees of personalities and managing tough situations and handling tough situations. And so she for us was the one coach that we just we knew that she would be somebody that would that would coach for us and she did she started coaching for us. And so at that point we had a couple that we would look to Zach Taylor was another one. He started out with us at Carolina crossed it. He was awesome. We just lean out lean on a lot of these coaches at that time, but I can only I felt like I could only do so much and to it was at a point to where I wasn't even present when I was there coaching. Yeah, I was talking about. Yeah, I would see Brandon like maybe once a month if I was lucky, but then when he would come home he would coach but it got to a point to where people didn't even know who And was and I didn't want yeah, I didn't even want to be there anymore because it was something that we started together. Yeah, it's um, I always tell people like passion is great. And if you can have the opportunity to like do your passion for living like then congratulations, however, Passion that is done for free labor has a shelf life. Oh, yeah, and it's different for everybody. But I would tell you for most people the maximum shelf life to do something for free that you're passionate about is about 5 years. And then at that point now you're salty and then it's no longer a passion is something that actually like really makes you miserable and I think about it all the time like we should have raised prices earlier and for anybody for Philly Don that's going through this like this is something I realized like if you need to raise your prices just do it tomorrow for the next person that comes in. They don't know any better like just hey, what's the price? You're like, it's let's just say you're at 150 right now be like tomorrow. It's 160 next person that walks in and they literally don't know because you have to make that and then you need to create a plan with which to bring everybody along and you also need to understand that like not everybody's coming along on that Journey with you like yeah, you're not going to bring all of them with you and that's okay. It's not it's not this it's not this ordeal that you think it is just like hey, we got to move forward. We can't just stay in the past and I got to pay a mortgage to and all those other things and people will people will make their decision. You just have to move along and try to work with people the best you can but it is one of those things that nobody likes to talk about. It's just like right, you know, I gotta raise my prices. I'm like cool like other tips that I learned is like, Do it just do it too and then figure out a way to backfill everybody that's there currently, but you eventually have to bring them all up or just do it on January 1st. Like nobody's shocked when prices change on January 1st. Well, and so we went through that, you know, things just got increasingly more difficult because while Brandon was stationed in North Carolina, I was still living so I lived in South Carolina by myself for three years. And so schedules don't match up in terms of he would come home and I'd be at a gig on but in the middle of the week, I'm working a full-time job for CrossFit sometimes travel on the weekends and I'm trying to manage this affiliate that we were doing together. And I would say that that was that was another huge mistake that we made and we made it from like day one when he was still living in the same state and we were running it together every day was that we were just To transparent with people and people were we more about our business? And we just treated everybody like they were our family or our friends. What do you mean like what like in what sense to transparent in a sense of we didn't just make decisions and in an authoritative way. Oh you got everybody's opinion, you know sometimes opinion which is shocking because I've seen you for a long time and I'm feeling the need to like over explain the reasoning behind. Oh got it. Wow. Okay, so we're going to make this price increase and we would have and almost like apologize. Yeah. Because again, you have two coaches. Running a business that really never wanna kind of shocked me because that's not really your personality is to Rhino oddly enough. I am tough when I'm coaching, but when it comes to The Human Side I am I am extremely sensitive. I am well, I mean, I know that because I've known you for a long time, but yeah, yeah, I get it and I have a hobby like there's very few people that I think that are Katerina I think there's very few people that are strong in that that there's a book called crucial conversations, but there that are that are really good in and tough scenarios like that. Like it's a that's definitely a skill set is developed through wraps. I don't even think people are naturally good at it. I think that is reps it is and I and I you know in the past when I when I was helping out with running Carolina CrossFit, I didn't have to really Make those business decisions. I didn't I didn't talk to people about money or paying I just coached and programmed and you know. My whole world now with Crossfit is numbers and statistics and things like it's not that I'm not good at it. It's just when there's a human side to it. I really struggled with that. And and I also actually it's because you care. Yeah, it's just cold case. That's what I just really wanted to please everyone. Yeah, if you were to go back, what would you do differently do you think because somebody's listening to this on a damn? I'm in the same spot where somebody who's about to start and Elliot who's justifying that really low cost because they want to bring everybody in what would you do differently? And do you think you could avoid it? If you did it, if you did it a second time. First of all, I would tell anybody to make sure that you just start small go back and read those Journal articles about how to start in your garage or start in a space where it's going to be affordable to you and you don't have a ton of overhead and remove that pressure from yourself. And when you do decide to pull a trigger on like opening an affiliate. Look at your demographic and look at kind of the average price for similar training in your area. And I'm not just talking about like CrossFit Gyms. Look at what some of these private coaches are charging to train kids for sport specific training in that area people throw up in their mouth if they saw some of those prices that it's true, but honestly, okay, some people can justify paying XYZ for even personal training or Specific training or private tennis lessons or whatever. look at all that stuff and then look at your look at your relative level of experience in like okay how competitive as a trainer and You know do I have the do I have that background and that knowledge to be able to back it up and and set your price based on? Okay. This is the amount of time. I'm planning to invest in this facility. This is how much I need for operating expenses be willing to take a hit going into it and then set your price so that it's not so low just to get people to come in the door or not. So low that you're only doing it because you just really love coaching people. Yeah that never going into it. Think about I would just say like coach classes somewhere try to do you like coach like five classes a day for five five days a week. For a couple weeks and see how exhausted you feel and then think to yourself what I want to coach this person if I knew they were only paying me x amount of dollars a month to be here or would I do this for 15K a year? Right? Right because that in you know as an affiliate owner, I know affiliate owners who still really don't take any profit from their gym because they're paying coaches to fill the clock to help pick up these classes that are continually Lee growing and growing and growing which is not necessarily a bad thing where I get a little bit where I get a little bit stressed out is when there's people that are doing something like that who are trading memberships for coaches. So nobody's really getting paid and if you were paying coaches worst case scenario, that means that there's built-in Revenue there that you could take back if you absolutely had to so let's just say that it will payroll is like whatever I say, it's six grand a month. Well, if you had to pick up all those glasses at least you can pay yourself six grand a month like you'd be tired of It but you get six grand a month, you know, and that's something that I think people should really understand and I did a podcast with John Briggs who's an accountant who runs profit first methodology for micro gems, but he said it he was like listen, he was like CrossFit Affiliates and Crossfit coaches have something amazing to give the world like you have to keep yourself not just above water but you have to create an environment in which you thrive so that you can continue to provide that service to people for 10-15. Fifteen twenty years and that's something that CrossFit like because the the because the community is like so benevolent in just by Nature that people just throw themselves on their own swords because they're like, but I love CrossFit. I'm like I get it but I don't know that you should be like die on that Hill like you don't have to yeah, I think the they are you know hindsight's 20/20, right? I think we started an affiliate at a time. When there weren't a ton of other affiliate owners to who have made this these mistakes, right? And so I mean even on staff we didn't have a ton of folks that owned Affiliates that are in these positions, right? And and I think that the community is in a much better place now because you can always speak to other people and kind of brainstorm and come up with ways and like what you thought your podcast that your papa has made the mistake already. So it's a stomach to some degree. There are certain mistakes. I think within the within the community that are I don't want to say inexcusable but really tough to justify at this point because there's been some practices that be like you should not do that, you know, but the downfall for us was that we put we put the business and members and trainers before just before our growth us as human beings and before our marriage and before our health, yeah, our mental health and our physical health and it always took power T to a point to where I mean, I mean I decided to live away from my husband for three years so we could hold on to this gym only to go on and sell it in 2014 because I just we could it wasn't sustainable went women even as a trainer. You have to be an affiliate owner if you in any job that you do He walked through the door in before you walk in through the door. You're just crapped out that you don't have to be there. It's not it's not going to be the best out of their day. No, it's not it is definitely not so we got lucky though. We were able to pass it on to start the gym where it was sort of Fitness CrossFit and because that's trademarked Greg and Kathy and folks over at the Affiliates. They allowed us to keep that name. And even after it was trademarked, but once we sold the affiliate it can remember. Yeah, we had to change it. So it's now crossed it Ballard and we sold it to Nate Holland who was deployed with Brandon and he was all things crossed it. He's young and he just all about CrossFit and he's great athlete and had the potential to be a really good coach. I don't think it was in his wheelhouse to start but but he was gonna get out. He was a corpsman and he got out of the Navy and he didn't buy it from us in 2014 immediately. We just moved him into our home and South Carolina. So it's another hit we took we kept an we kept our home for a year and a half after I left and part of his salary was just living rent-free and are home to run our business in our absence because we weren't ready to let it go. Yeah. And I think we sold in 2017. We made we made the went through the process to sell it to him. Was that a relief? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was and I if we lived in the same area it would not have been as difficult but when you have You have an obligation especially a business obligation in another state what stuff it's a nightmare because Ava it's only three and a half hours away, but it's just taxes and licenses far enough away to present significant problems. If something comes up. Yeah, but we lucked out because We introduced Jen my favorite human as a trainer. We introduced her to Nate and a relationship and sued and they're now engaged so we'll be getting married in March and he bought the gym and she and Nate run it together. They've started a side project where they are doing kind of nutrition coaching and cool and macro. I mean that's a whole other I think side business they've been able to do is it's and it's been really successful. He started like a little media company does a lot of drones stuff and it's pretty epic. We Really have a ton of contact with them anymore. But I do still follow follow. I don't follow the gym. I just I can't bring myself to do it, but we still have religious. That's probably a good thing. Yeah, it's probably yeah. Yeah, we have relationships with some of the members that I am really proud of. What we did while we were there like the impact that we had and I'm really proud of the two people who? Own it now. They're just great people there really humble and they're a great team and I think honestly Nate and Jen have done more with that fee liat and Brandon and I could have Ever had the capacity to do. Yeah, and I think it is a smart business guy. Jan is the caring teacher coach not saying Nate's a great coach, but I think that it was exactly what Brandon and I should have been to run a successful affiliate. But on one side you had just two people who really like to train and we really love CrossFit and we love coaching whereas with Jen and they you get somebody who's a great business owner and really good at making tough decisions. Engines and somebody who's really empathetic caring sweet and it's a great cause yeah, it's a great balance. So I'm really excited for them. It seems that's cool. Well and that's that's really awesome that that you got to have that off and then it's going to you know, you handed it. Somebody's going to you know, you know, like you said like do it better. So you get to see it Thrive and feel proud of that. I think that's really cool. I just think that that like passing things on is just a huge. I don't know. I feel like it's something that's always just been ingrained in Us in the CrossFit community and especially very early on when I came in to all this is that everybody was so welcoming coach. almost insisted that I was able to be involved because Brandon was involved in just with you know, Dave and Nicole and just all the things they've done to just kind of pay everything that Greg did for them for to us the same with the affiliate team and I just think that like To be successful in this community to be successful as a trainer or an affiliate owner or somebody working for this company. You really have to have like a genuine heart for service. Yeah, and and you know, you really have to not just surface say that you want to see people do. Well you have to you have to be willing to take a major hit. Emotionally and physically and spiritually to help other people be better than you are and that it was a huge. Growth process for me even as an athlete like it was fair. I found it very difficult because I was just kind of coming into my own as an athlete and here I am working out against people that I should want to be better than me. Yeah the fun in that issue with like I feel like they're cheating and I don't like that their times better than fine on the Whiteboard because I know it's bullshit. But yeah as ask their coach I'd to find that balance and I'm not saying like I threw some fits, you know, I was childish and and you know behave in a way that a coach should behave when somebody would beat me in a workout, you know in the first few years of doing this whole thing, but at the same time You know, I just I had a big turning point when Joe Alexander who's a mutual friend of ours and now condo like your boss on seminar staff kind of my boss. He is my boss Joe is basically the reason that I am in a good healthy place right now and somewhere along the way. I just remember him telling me that don't ever forget that leadership is service leadership is servitude and it should be your goal to make everybody in the room with you at whatever time wherever you are to be better than you. like that's service and I remember him saying that and I never forgot it and I watched him live that I've watched. So many people that came before us live it and I have my shortcomings just as a human being in general, but that goes so far as to even just like when you're in a grocery store being nice to somebody being kind of the person behind the register and yeah not make it I'm not making them a better person, but at least I'm leading by example and saying like hey, thanks so much, or have a good day or just Greetings like a human gotta care. Yeah, you gotta care and there's no there's no substitute substitute for that. So I think if it that just never goes away right when coach would say people would ask like, how do I become a great trainer? It's like you just have to carry just have to give a shit about other people, but you have to be willing To Bear the emotional burden that comes along with that. Yeah, especially as a business owner. Yeah. No, I think that's a that's a really good encapsulation of the whole thing which is and I think that's a really good spot to end it because I don't really have anything to add to that. So, oh, I think that's good. So take notes everybody. Yeah, we could do this all day, but it were well over an hour at this point. So cool. Thank you, ma'am. I really appreciate it. It's been fun. Yeah, it's been fun. I miss you forever. And I miss it. I miss the team. Hit me up next time. You're in Wilmington Delaware. I wasn't that was my fault in the last one. But cool. We'll have you on again because there's some other stuff that I wanted to get to that we didn't get to but that's okay because we're going to do I don't know maybe a thousand more of these podcasts while have you On well, I appreciate it man. You're awesome. I think what you guys are doing is really really good. I wish that we'd had something like this 10 years ago. It would have been. helpful to hear people I just live in this world, you know social media where it's like everybody everything that gets posted. If you look at it, everybody's their lives are just fucking awesome. Their business is awesome and workouts are awesome. So I'm just fucking awesome. Like it would have been really cool just to hear real people people never really know just keep it just fuck keep it real keep it real. That's what we're trying to do. We will keep trying to do that. 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On today's episode Fern sit down with Bobbi Millsaps. Bobbi has been part of the CrossFit space since roughly 2006. Bobbi has done it all within the community from seminar staff, to Games Judge, working on the administrative side for HQ and previously owned a Crossfit Affiliate. They discuss so much from how Bobbi found Crossfit, what it was like back in 2006. What it was being invited on to staff and how the Crossfit community as changed. But a topic that we haven't heard about is, how for some owning affiliate can make them fall love out of coaching. Bobbi dives deep into this, hoping you can learn from her experience. You guys are going to want to take notes on this one. Bobbi is a great member of our community. It's fantastic to have her on the podcast. Hey, team don ‘t forget! Jason new book Best Hour of Their Day is out now! Check out the extra content about this episode on besthouroftheirday.com Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Find us on Instagram: @besthouroftheirday + @thejasonackerman Check out our website - besthouroftheirday.com - to learn more about our private coaches development group.

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. Well, Tom, fortunately nothing serious has happened in the last couple days after the bombshell that got dropped on Saturday night with Andrew Luck's retirement and Lamar Miller's injury so we can be kind of normal here on today's Fantasy free agent podcast in our week two preseason recap, but Tom fantasy football just like the NFL must go on despite some of the news that came out here and it went on for us you and I we had our big auction draft on Sunday night that we want to discuss and we'll discuss kind of basic cost reduction strategies. We were we have another one on Thursday night. That's another auction draft. So we figured this is a good time to discuss what we do in an auction kind of how we how we come up with the values that we have up at the site. So that's going to be fun to talk about a little bit later on the podcast. But first I want to get into the week two preseason recap after a little bit of an announcement that I have. In case you missed it, if you don't follow me on Twitter @ FG underscore Dolan. I will be joining a Ross Tucker on the fantasy Feast this year replacing Evan Silva who is concentrating on his work at establish the run. It's an awesome opportunity for me. It's an awesome. Awesome opportunity for our our little site here that Tom and I have going I also want you guys to know that the podcast no plans have changed. This thing with Ross has been in the works for a number of months. Keep a lid on it here and which if you know me, you know is not easy for me. But I've had to keep a lid on it. It's been in the works everything that we planned with fantasy free agents was already planned with the assumption that I was going to be working with Ross as well. So if you can't get enough of me opening my big freaking mouth. Well, you're going to have an opportunity to listen to me with Ross on the fantasy Feast podcast. We should be publishing twice a week during the NFL season starting next week Tom you and I I will still be going five times a week. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations Joe, you know, we I've kind of known about this for a while just with you there. But you know, it's going to open us up to, you know, even more ears listening to the podcast and hopefully even more people going on to the site and enjoying our content. So congratulations to you and looking forward to you know, hopefully growing a little bit bigger audience here as well and I just want to mention that I got the NFC draft tonight. So all right. Yeah, so I know you You did yours last week. I got mine tonight. I'm looking forward to it and we'll probably talk a little bit about it on the Friday podcast. But if any of our listeners, you know or in the draft tonight, I'm ready. Let's bring it baby. You got the number one pick in third round wrestle. So I'm really interested to see what your what Your what your team looks like tonight. But Tama people don't care about our fantasy teams. They want us to help their fantasy team. So let's get into a little bit of a preseason. A week to recap here. Now. Obviously if you want to know our thoughts on Andrew Luck if you want to know our thoughts on the mar Miller Duke Johnson Jacoby percent anything that that was affected by Saturday's news. Go check out our emergency podcast Tom and I actually got up on a Sunday morning and recorded that I mean nobody's going to feel bad for us Tom, but we wanted to get that out there as quickly as possible. So we have that up already and our thoughts really haven't changed Tom. We might be tweaking the the cheat sheets today, though. Right. We I think we're yeah, that's the plan. Yeah after we I've been kind of tweaking the rankings that this morning and I know you have a little bit of an appointment or something later today, but we'll try to get that done sometime this afternoon and get those out because you know, we know everybody this is a huge week for drafting we got friends texting us that you know about drafts they're doing at night so we know how crazy it is. So we're trying to you know, not just do the Friday. We did update them on Sunday though. So it's not like they're completely out of date. Do you have do you have the August friends? Tom the people who the people remember you exist in August. Oh, yeah, they show up here. This is their time of year usually starts coming around like August 15th, and you know don't hang around here for a couple weeks and then they'll disappear once the season starts as well. Well, they were very excited to know they didn't have to subscribe to a site for us this year. I'll tell you that much. But yeah, I have my August friends. I always like to help the people out that they're not I never turn anybody down. I I enjoy doing this. I'll help. D. So yeah, it's not a big deal. I feel like a proud child when I can tell that somebody drafted a team using my rankings. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we were and my advice is we were talking to a friend about that yesterday and it's like yeah, he said to us he goes it was our friend Grand Bar field and goes. Yeah, when you see that that somebody drafted a 12-team team and that looks like an ATM or using your rankings you get it you got a tinge of Pride that doesn't happen for me. And you Tom I wonder what I'm doing wrong. Yeah. Well, that's because we're in a lot of legs together all of our our friends that we you know, they all use our wrecking. So it's like drafting against ourselves a lot of the times now while the let's let's let's just get into the preseason action here Tom because it's going to be it's going to be I guess nobody's really gonna play in the fourth preseason game. So I mean we're even seeing it now like the Bears gay. I mean there were quite a few week three games that featured no starter. So we're I mean the the days of the dress rehearsal, you know, it's kind of going out there. Window here. The preseason is going to be changing here. I think in the next collective bargaining agreement, but we are also covered the Thursday games and last week's pod to so, you know, if you want to go back to those five five games to check out the Friday pull the last last Friday's podcasts, of course, and and Tom I'm gonna be asking Greg Cosell about some of some of these other storylines on Thursdays podcast, but Greg and I as you might imagine Tom we're going to be focusing on Andrew Luck's retirement and the trickle-down effect of That and also we're going to be focusing on the Lamar Miller injury and I'll mix a couple other things in here that the people are interested in but certainly what we're going to be getting to big news with Greg on Thursdays podcast. Let's kick this off Greg Tom farts. Sorry Tom. I wish I was Greg man 40 years identify films. It's a pretty good living. Yeah, and he knows more about football than then you and I you Miku canis our entire our entire network combined. Yeah. How about I like when Greg says, you know, I'm not smarter than coaches and I just kind of want to say to him, you know, great. Yeah you are but I mean I can think of a couple coaches you're smarter than at least though, and we know that coaches talk to him, you know in the offseason and stuff like that. They want to pick his brain as well. Yeah, they respect him. So that that goes to tell you they don't think he's a he's a blowhard. Anyway, Tom, let's get into the 49ers and the Chiefs and there was a little a good bit of fantasy. I don't want to say news but but content from this game Jim Garoppolo very sharp in this game going 14 for 2488 yards and a touchdown Tom. It's just a I don't want to say that you shouldn't have been a little concerned that Garoppolo struggling in his first preseason game, but it was his first game back from an ACL as we learned with Andrew luck and as we've heard from players in the past, sometimes it's the mental aspect of getting over these injuries. That's even harder than the physical aspect. That's why Andrew Luck retired. I mean he he said the mental Fact of constantly having to rehab was really grinding on him. So I think we got to give guys a reprieve if they don't look a hundred percent in their first game back from an ACL. I know some do but some guys they just can't get over that hump. But Jimmy Garoppolo much sharper in his second action 14 for 2488 yards in a touchdown. He looks ready to go for the season. Yeah. I mean it didn't help and week to though either Bradley chub was breathing down his neck. He was playing a much tougher defense with the Denver Broncos. You know gets the Chiefs this week, you know, he looked a little frantic in the pocket and that week to game but much more poised and throwing down field and you know, he also had a full complement of receiver. So, you know, this is what you want to see. I mean, I'm still a little worried going into the season. I mean, you know, it's still coming off a major injury. I think we're going to have some ups and downs here the first month or two, but you know, if there were any doubts that you know, he was going to be the starter. I mean there was a little bit of talk that Maybe you know Shanahan will pull the plug and go with Nick Mullens, you know as the starter early in the season, but I think Jimmy G kind of Silence those little that that little bit of talk the whispering there with his performance in the dress rehearsal game. What's interesting here Tom is his wide receivers. Now, I want to point out that Dante pet is has been playing with the starters. It's not like he hasn't been he's been relegated to the bench, but there seems to be an interesting. A tional tactic or something going on behind the scenes here with Dante Pettis because Kyle Shanahan's like hey buddy, get your head out of your butt. Let's let's I want you to be the number one receiver. I don't know if it's motivational or not, but he doesn't look awful out there and he's been playing with the first team. So he to me has been one of the weirdest and hardest players to handicap for Fantasy Football. I got him in our auction draft. The other night is like my sixth receiver. I thought that was a worthwhile investment for a Little box at the end of my auction that being said, I mean if this does carry into the regular season, he's going to be one of the first guys I drop on my team. Yeah, I've we've had that move them down here a little bit. He's into the 40's now for us, you know, he started the the offseason as a high 30s pick in the wide receiver here, you know, it's twice now that Shana this isn't just the first time it earlier in August, you know, he basically said you got to earn this earn your starting position and you know, he hasn't played. Poorly in the games though. That's the thing. So it feels like this is kind of a behind the scenes, you know, he wants them to start putting more work in more practice time or effort and practice so it is bizarre but you know, we got to remember that they do you know, they have spent, you know on Jalen Hurd as well Depot Samuel. They've used some premium picks on receivers here. So he doesn't have the longest leash and more keys good one. I mean, he's kind of a guy that's just been totally. What about he's like the classic post type of sleeper type here. He got the starters treatment in that game. He played, you know, the first two or three series and was pulled out, you know to rest so, you know, he's a kind of guy. I he's sneaking onto the back end of my radar might be a last round pick for me because of all this Dante Pettis talk and a Devo Samuels another guy real interesting Prospect out of South Carolina that you know was a five-year guy there should be ready to play right away. And here's the thing with Goodwin Tom. And I think what you're talking post type. I totally agree with that because I do you remember early in the offseason early in training camp. We kind of got the hey Marcus Goodwin might not make this team and then everybody just kind of assumed he was going to get cut and he just fell off of everybody's draft boards and it seems like he is the guy who's locked up his spot in addition to a guy another guy. You want to talk post post post post post post post type. Jordan Matthews has been getting some praise they are too not that I'm telling you to draft Jordan Matthews. It just seems like those Guys are pretty much guaranteed to make the roster at sea. Oh, yeah, I could man if Jordan Matthews ends up like being a major factor in this offense. I think that would drive everybody nuts then has any kind of ownership in these 49ers receivers Tom. Let's go over to the Chiefs here with the Chiefs. Look they come out bread features said Darwin Thompson is the number two general manager. Brad feet says, hey, he's the guy he's the number two. All right, so he's past Carlos Hyde, it's official. It was the writing was on the wall. Lynn big red bold letters, but it's Now official that being said, how about Damien Williams scoring a 62-yard wheel route touchdown. And I know our friend Brad Ziegler the former MLB pitcher who now is like a full-time professional fantasy football player has been like dunking on people because he said wait a minute all offseason. He's like, this is the most talented guy here. He got the Kareem hunt Special Tom the wheel route touchdown Damien Williams pulled that off and if you'll remember I was talking to Greg Cosell. Speak about Darwin Thompson, and he said it's an interesting player because he's very small, but he isn't terribly explosive. He's more of kind of a grinding type Runner Damien Williams. However, this guy's got explosive talent. I got him in our auction the other night for a discount from some of the other quote unquote. Number one running backs. I wanted to take a shot on him because I do want to invest in this offense. He has been weird player to handicap, but this is exactly what you wanted to see if you've been investigating. Sting and Damian Williams. Yeah, and he's a truly Dynamic receiver. I mean, I put him up there with you know, just about anybody in the league as a receiver out of the backfield and he showed it on that wheel route. I mean totally dusted his his Defender there and and I don't think there's much doubt that he's now the number one guy. I think Darwin Thompson will be in the mix Carlos Hyde is just like please caught me already so I can go talk to Houston or talk to whoever you know, stop stop even playing me with the backups here just The hell out of town already. So if you know used to pick on Carlos Hyde, I'm sorry. I don't you obviously weren't using our rankings and stuff. But you know, it's Damien Williams and Darwin Thompson and a little Darrell Williams at the back end here in this backfield Browns in the Buccaneers Tom. This one was ugly. I know Chris God wouldn't made a play. I mean the the hype train is just that that left the station months ago. I'm Chris Godwin but Baker Mayfield had an awful game. I think it just 10 429 for like 80 yards and Jameis Winston got sacked five times behind what is still a problematic offensive line? And if you remember Bruce Arians final year with the Cardinals that problematic offensive line can be an issue for Bruce Arians offense because Bruce is going to run his shit. He's going to want to throw that ball down the field and he's going to ask the quarterback to do it whether the protections good or not. And that could be that's that's that's kind of a drawback of what Bruce Arians does. What did you see from this game? Yeah Louis, right? Actually had a nice little breakdown was watching on late night Friday TV there and Baker kind of mist is top receivers a lot in that game Richard Higgins, you know, it was a tough catch but it was one that probably should have been made in the end zone. You know what it kind of changed his stat line a little bit and there was another passed down down the sidelines. The Derrick will ease that should have been caught it would have been to gains over 20 yards. So Mayfield's line is a little deceiving but you know, Winston There's going to be some major issues here and I'll be taking five sects. He's always been a kind of a guy that holds on to the ball, you know, you know makes bad decisions. So this offensive line, you know coming into the season. We probably thought it was a bottom five bottom 10 offensive line and nothing has changed. I thought it was a little bit interesting. I was born sharp did some Personnel groupings and stuff like that off of the the new offensive coordinators. And you know, he said that they've been using a lot of two tight ends sets here. In the preseason so, you know, I would think that that's kind of a product of you know, getting the extra Blocker in to help this offensive line, you know to help his quarterback here a little bit but certainly didn't work in the third preseason game there. There are some potential issues. So I mean that could and that can really hurt you know, God went and I think Mike elk Heavens the most I mean, you know Winston needs to have time to get the ball down field where you know Evans really excels Tom. Let's go to let's go to the Hawks here Rashad Penny, he actually made a positive play at a for got to carry out a fourth and one scored a three yard touchdown on the fourth and one also Russell Wilson got out there with some rushing yards and Tyler Lockett to Big connections. I don't know if anybody in the NFL has better chemistry, maybe like Brady and Edelman but Wilson and lock it. They have the best downfield juice of any pair in the NFL. Yeah. They're they're really connecting in the preseason again, just like last year, you know, of course. I found out last week that David Moore suffered an injury. It looks like he's not he's going to avoid the IR to start the season but it looks like he could miss the first couple weeks of the Season DK Metcalf is already kind of questionable for Week 1 and so now they're down to drawn Brown as their number two receiver. So I think that means there's gonna be a whole lot of Tyler Lockett featured at least early in the season. So you like to see that connection and I thought it was important that we saw Russell Wilson run a little bit. It I mean he really didn't you know his Russian production kind of dip last year 376 yards on 67 carriers, which is well below, you know his career standards. So, you know, he was moving around must be feeling pretty good here early in the year and you know where shot Penny, you know, you know a lot of negative reports here. But you know, you converted the goal line touchdown Which is you know important going forward, you know, maybe he can get a little little bit more trust with that conversion at the goal. There has been no player in my opinion Tom has been more confusing to rank here and we've talked about a couple of them on this podcast, but going to the Steelers James Washington. I mean I saw you with anguish on your face watching that game the other night on Sunday night and you're like, oh my God, what do I do with this guy? Because Tommy keeps making plays, but the problem is he's making the plays with the second team. He has barely played. With the first team there seems to be a trust issue. I think there was was it an interception that Mason Rudolph through or an incomplete pass. That was an interception perception white Washington ran the wrong route and Tom with when you have a veteran quarterback and an old school coach like Mike Tomlin, if you're not going to run the right route, it doesn't matter how explosive you are if the quarterback can't trust you. He's not going to throw you the football or at worst. You're not going to be Out there. So James Washington is doing some really good things. But right now it really appears to see appears that the Steelers trust Dante Moncrief more. Yeah, he did start. It was a look like a deep come back and he kind of just stopped on his route and Rudolph did throw it. So I mean, you know still have an issue then this was right after the long 40 yard touchdown pass that he caught and legality brand right underneath that he's done that a couple times already this preseason. So I'm having a really tough time. I think he's clearly better than Donte Moncrief. If but if mon craves going to play 80 90 % of snaps and James Washington's going to play 30 to 40 percent. I mean, we have to rank Moncrief ahead of James Washington. So I had to move them down in our rankings. He was in the low to mid 40s, I think well before and you know, I was kind of holding their because we really haven't seen Ben Roethlisberger in the preseason. We finally got to see him on Sunday night and James Washington was still nowhere to be seen with the starters there, you know. Electing to go with the great Eli Rogers and Brian Switzer playing out of the slot, you know, so this even that decision I think you know hurts Juju Smith Schuster a little bit that you know, those guys are going to play pretty much exclusively out of the slot. That means you know, JuJu's going to be playing a lot more on the outside facing tougher, you know, that's where the better quarterbacks typically are on the outside. So, you know, this isn't even a good thing for Juju. I mean, I'm I'm not saying I'm worried about Juju, but you know When we get up to this higher end, you know, there's not a whole lot separated in them. So if he's not going to be playing as much as lat it does hurt him a little bit Vance McDonald James Conner. I don't think we need to really touch on these guys too much Tom, but they are I mean, they are locked into their roles. I think people were going a little overboard with Randy fichtner comment about Vance McDonald. He's not going to play a hundred percent of the snaps that the difference is when he's out there. He's going to be catching passes. Yeah, he's gonna play 80 to 90% of the snaps. That's still plenty. From you know where he was at, you know, he was a 45 to 55% snap guy week to week last year. So he's he's going to be seeing a Lion's Share of the snaps here going to be running a few more routes of game. So, you know, he the top ten love is much warranted and James Carter I think has been pretty enlightening that you know, how just how much he's been playing with the starters all preseason. Jalen Samuels has been pretty much nowhere to be seen. So, I mean, we've seen it in a teepee and stuff to him insane. Mills has started to slide down draft boards. But you know Mike Tomlin it looks like he's still sticking with his work horseback which we love to see, you know in the fantasy circles here with the Vikings Tom. I think I missed the boat a little bit on Dalvin cook not to say I haven't invested in him and best balls just probably not as much as I should we know what the issue with Dalvin cook is if the guy wasn't injured all the time, he'd be a top five pick if you don't think he's going to get hurt this year. You could probably draft them earlier than Then the consensus he has a long touchdown run Tom. He looks explosive. They're going to run the hell out of the football and I think in our auction Tom that it the price bear that out. I think he went very close to some of the top guys like even Berkeley Elliot and Chimera in that draft Yeah. He was a $49 guy. I'm seeing here. So, you know, he showed his elite elite, you know, he's a he's a top-end type of talent here. It's just all about health here, you know. They did upgrade the line and it looks like you know the Vikings really want to run the ball with Mike Zimmer, you know getting people up out of town here and they're going to they get they dropped the tight end or Smith in the second round. So all indications are they want to have two tight ends on the field. They want to run the ball a lot more. So Dalvin cook is you know, he's a great he's going to go down as a value in the second round if he manages to stay healthy, so or he could go down as a bust if he can't stay healthy, so he's a You know a big boom or a big bus guy and you know, everything is looking good here so far looking healthy with that long touchdown run. I want to get to one more update before we go to a break Tom. But let's let's do the Bengals here. AJ Green is still in one of those goofy nice Scooters or sliding around on the field. The athletic is reporting that they think he's progressing well, but that the best case scenario for AJ Green is week 3 at this point if you have drafted AJ Green and He's backed by week three at that would be a boy and I think at this point, I mean that would be I mean, that would be a surprise I think but oh my Lord if you drafted and he's back then for the prices. I've seen him go for Tom that that would be an absolute. That would be a steal at this point. But the best case scenario is week three. We're going to have to monitor this over the next couple weeks. Yeah the best cat. Yeah that would if it's week 3, that would be the best-case scenario for his owners. I mean just from this report, you know that he's still on the scooter not even you know, Around on his feet yet. This makes me think that he's out through September. I'm projecting now that you know for games so I slid them a little farther down our rankings. He's now on the in the low 30s. So, you know this he still has a long way to go and you know, I I think this could go more on the long end than the short end at this point. So, you know, I think 4 to 6 weeks is much more likely than two to four at this point Tom. I want to get to a big injury update. And an update on a retired player right after this message from our sponsors. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast on anchor FM podcasting. 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Unaffiliated unparalleled analysis for your fantasy football and bedding needs. Tom we've had a couple of big-time retirements this offseason first. I want to start with the New England Patriots center David Andrews. His season is in Jeopardy. He was in the hospital and thank God he's all right blood clots in his lungs. I don't know what else to say here Tom. I mean except that we're thinking of David Andrews. We want them to be healthy if there's anybody who can who can overcome the loss of a starting center a week before the season. Season kicks off its Dante scar nekia with the New England Patriots, but certainly something to think about if you're investing heavily in a guy who's been getting a lot of hype recently and Sony Michelle. Yeah. I was just about to say Sony Michelle looked really good in the preseason game the offensive line. There were some questions. They lost Trent Brown over the offseason. So, you know, maybe the offense of line wouldn't be nearly as a strong but now they suffer, you know, another big loss here if Andrews is unable to play this season. So, you know, I don't think we're going to It's up to you Joe, but I don't think we're going to really tweak it that much but there is something there is some downside now. If this sent this injury this health issue ends up being a bigger deal here. It does. It does hurt the depth of the offensive line and you know, the Patriots have one of the deepest, you know, you know the depth chart sat on along the offensive line, but it is a big loss for that me I'd PFF had him as a top 20 Center so last season so he it would be Be a big blow for Tom Brady and Sony Michelle in the middle of this offensive line. Well, they kept Ed Karis around this is his fourth season. He was a sixth-round pick four years ago Ted Karis out of at an Illinois and he's a he's a backup interior lineman. He's probably going to be the favorite here to be the center. But they also have y'all take a fro Holt the rookie fourth rounder from Arkansas the okay. Yeah. Okay. The the Norseman. Yeah. He's he's there as well. Tom with Sony Michelle, this is a guy I really have not invested in at all. And the thing about the Patriots backfield though is there's always production. It's just that they always seem to pull the rug out from under you with who you think's going to get the production and I am starting to be really concerned that I haven't invested enough in Sony Michelle. I am right there with you. He's looking healthy here, you know, they've been keeping him in bubble wrap, you know, basically all summer all spring and they finally let them out in the dress rehearsal game and He look good so a I'm right there with you. I'm a little concerned. I think we did bump them up a little bit after watching him in the preseason game in our last rankings update. But yeah, I'm starting to worry that I don't have enough ownership stakes in him. We'll see if that knee can hold up. I mean that's that's the issue. He can look good in spurts. But over the long run is he going to be able to you know withstand the grind of a 16-game season here? Alright, Tom and the other update and this is the one that fantasy players are actually actually going to focus on Rob. Held a press conference today and he announced yesterday that it was going to be for his next chapter and everybody's like. Oh my God. Is he going to be in the Fast and the Furious? Is he going to sign with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Is he going to sign with WWE. Is he going to go be a pro wrestler? It's actually Tom a lot gentler than that and gentle is probably the operative word. Yes Rock says, he's signing with a CBD company to let's break it down. So it was this a good career move. It's a good Career move for Gronk and he's talking about the benefits of CBD and first and foremost. We know in the next CBA the CBA for the CBD. There are going to be they are one of the things that's absolutely going to be relaxed Tom is marijuana and I see what he did there relaxed and and and cannabis and CBD and all that stuff. We know those those that's going to be relaxed and maybe we even see what his old teammate here with Scored in here. I mean the handling of that whole situation over the last couple years has been a little, you know, a little less a little more lenient compared to years past whenever you know, he had his issues and Cleveland there right and look at Tom everybody freaks out when somebody gets busted for weed in the NFL. But the thing is it's collectively bargained. Okay, like that's the rule there's no open to interpretation here. My point is I think the rule is changing in the next CBA and if the NFL is going to be all about player pain management playerhealth. They have to relax these laws for something in cannabis. That's a lot safer than some of the opioids that's going on. So that's going to get relaxed. We know that but Rob Gronkowski also said when asked if there was a return to football he said, well not next week not next month, but if my body feels good and I'm paraphrasing if my body feels good and my passion for the game is restored. I am not ruling it out and I almost Grrrr now this Tom. I think it's going to be very very hard to say. Oh Andrew Luck's going to become a trend Andrew Luck made a shit ton of money. Grew up. Rich had a lot of injuries. The reality is Tom. There are way way more Joe schmo's in the NFL than there are Andrew Luck's and Rob Gronkowski's who can retire early but I do wonder if a bigger name player a guy who a guy who clearly has something left in the tank, but his body is failing. Him. I almost wonder if we might see more not necessarily retirements but sabbaticals in the NFL just to say hey, I got to get right and I want to make sure I'm healthy before I come back. I still love the game, but I can't do this right now. This is what I wonder if not not necessarily becomes a trend but becomes more common. Yeah, I think it probably is. I mean, it feels like we're trending in that direction and you know, I could totally see grown coming back at some point the next I don't know if it's some time this Season or in a season or two and you know, he said it today didn't roll it out. So yeah, I guys get worn out. I mean it's a I mean it's a year-long process basically at this point, you know, you're rehabbing injuries surgeries, you know, you have offseason workouts all throughout the the winter and spring and It's a Grind for these guys. So and then once you get to the fault, you take a beating on Sundays and it's a race to get you know close to 80 90. Sent and being ready to go for another game the next week so I can see how it wears on these guys and I wouldn't be surprised if we start to see, you know, this become a little bit of a trend where guys, you know, take a take a year off and come back then, you know and come back refreshed. I would think and this is just a me armchair psychology, which is probably stupid Tom, but from my perspective, it feels like Gronk is more likely to come back than Andrew Luck, although I although I wouldn't be shocked if either did. Yeah, I lucked feels more more set in stone. It feels like this guy, you know probably locks probably been thinking about this decision for you know, probably the last two years back to 2017 when he was dealing with the shoulder stuff. So I feel like this lock thing was a long long time coming Gronk. I drunk I feel like probably, you know goes more with his instincts and goes out in a whim, you know a little bit more than Andrew Lock Tom. Going to get to our auction strategies are auctioned discussion. But hey, we didn't hear from Ben kookiness for like six minutes and that's far too long. So I want been kookiness to talk to the people right now. What's up listeners? This has been kookiness producer of the fantasy free agents podcast. If you're listening to this you obviously like podcasts and I'll go out on a limb and say you like music too. It used to be looking for podcasts on one app and listening to music on another but now on Spotify you have all your listening needs including the fantasy free agents. It for free. No you don't need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic and you can follow your favorite podcast. 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No. Yeah, I wasn't I yeah, I wasn't paying up for a Jared Cook in a three-team league guys, but Tom we were in a 12-team auction and I love this auction. I actually won it last year. I think me you and Ben have won it three out of the last four years. I've wondered why our opponents even play against us at this point, but we in this auction. It's a 12 Timur one quarterback two receivers to running backs to flex. Let me tell you something about multiple Flex spot. They're awesome. The it's just it you see so many builds Tom and you went crazy in this draft something. I've never seen you do. I went with a more balanced approach, but tell the people what you did in this auction draft and then we'll get more into General strategy. Well, this is generally something I didn't do but the yeah, I got Nick Chubb and Charlie James Conner at the top of my draft and I was actually just trying to bid up to Nick Chubb a little bit and I ended up, you know getting Stuck with them, you know terrible guy to get stuck with a top 10 top 15 player in the league. But you know, so I went with a real heavy build it running back and kind of pieced it together at my receiver positions and like you said, I really do like the format month you can use anybody at your Flex is here. It's not a super quarterback accepts those so I know Mark Andrews went for a really nice price at toward the end of the draft. I got him for a couple bucks three bucks. You know, he's a type of guy I can use in a flex and you know, I'm banking on a couple of my receiver stepping up. I have Tyler boy does my top receiver Hunter Henry's, you know, my next best price receiver and he's a tight end and then DD Westbrook Michael Gallop, Geronimo Allison Sammy Watkins and and Anthony Miller. So I took a couple of younger guys with some upside hoping that just one or two of them hits and pans out for me and you know helps wide receiver position there. So that's a 0 wide receiver approach the far less common brother 2-0 running back but up interesting on your part Tom. I went with a more balanced approach. I've Kyler Murray at quarterback Juju Smith Schuster Cooper cop who were both on my team last year at receiver Calvin Ridley is my third receiver. My running backs are carrion Johnson Damien Williams James White. I have Justice Hill and nayeem Hines on the bench on the bench at receiver. I have Jarvis Landry Dante Pettis entire L Williams Jared Cook and Delanie Walker my tight ends. I'm actually We happy with that team. It's a balanced approach. The only real star. I think I have is Juju but a but it's an approach that's worked for me in the past. But Tom has opposed to breaking down our team's I want to talk about kind of what we do here and I think in auctions for those of you wanting to get into an auction now, we have an auction cheat sheet up at Fantasy for agents.com. They are suggested values and I know some people have said yo you look at these auction cheat sheets elsewhere. And the values are wild and that Tom that's just because auctions are so hard to predict. They're just they're conservative. That's when I see most often that the pricing on other sites is a little more conservative than even the prices that we list to you know, I was thinking I'd be able to get carry on Johnson and Damian Williams for kind of Bargains and compared to say Quan Berkeley was going for sixty plus bucks. I guess I did but Johnson and Williams 38 37 bucks, you know, it was a sharp room here and you're going to have to at Some point it is it an advantage in an auction room Tom to have the most money absolutely but you have to buy a player at some point. You have to get good players on your team or you're not going to win if you leave the dreaded Tom you made a faux pas. Yeah, I screwed up. I mean I rarely do this but I left the most money on the table. I left nine dollars on the table. So I mean I screwed up I probably could have, you know paid up, you know for another receiver here and got another another, you know. Maybe a little higher wide receiver to or a better wide receiver three here Sunday. I screwed up. I look at the fact that I got Calvin Ridley for like 15 bucks and I'm like Tom if one of the your receivers that you bought for six bucks, you could a I don't want Calvin Ridley don't oh, okay. He's on my do not drown. Alright. Well use my third receiver. So I'm just saying just just says no, I know it's your said. Yeah, I one of these guys that I spent five or six bucks on, you know, I could have gotten a little bit better value with those types. All right. I'm James. White I got for nine dollars. So there's there's an example of a $9 player. But that here's the thing the price is always look crazy at the beginning and then all of a sudden Tom there's a there's a switch that gets flipped and then looks like everybody's a bargain. Yeah, and sometimes sometimes there's going to be bidding wars for players. You don't think there should be bidding wars for and that's only because the people in the room who have the most money have identified a certain player. R as the last guy they want for instance in our room that all the receivers kind of around Julian Edelman who would be going in a snake draft the the 10 picks before him and the 10 picks after him. We're all gone and we saw Julian Edelman on the board and they were two players in the draft who had a lot of money and needed a wide receiver. And we threw Julian Edelman out there and it was like dropping the cow into the Velociraptor pit and Jurassic Park like it was it was okay. Let's do this. We know that This is happening. So we and then we just sat back and watch those to go to town bidding up. Julian Edelman who ended up Tom probably going for a little bit more money than some of the quote-unquote better receivers, but that's just because of the flow of the draft where maybe they didn't get into a bidding war when they should have for a guy like digs or they didn't get into a bidding war when they should have for a guy like Amari Cooper and then Julian Edelman goes out onto the board and everybody is the the two or three guys who have the most money. We are trying to build them up and win them and then the guy who has the who just has the most gumption is going to be the one who gets them. Yeah, sometimes it pays to be out ahead of the tears get your guys early in tears as opposed to late because you know, once you get down to the one or two final guys, there might be five or six people that need a guy out of that tear. So you're really competing with other people for the for that one or two players that are left. So sometimes it pays to be early getting your guys, you know from tears. I think with the with the prices that the running backs were going for in this draft. Now. The first thing you need to know is in an auction everything. This is why it's so hard to do an auction draft plan because if you go into the room and the prices are lower than you anticipate for the top running backs. It's probably even if you didn't plan on getting involved in that bidding it's probably prudent to do so because you're like wait a minute. I thought say qualms is going to go for 65 bucks and he's sitting here and nobody wants to go. Go a dollar above 40 and you're like, holy crap. This is this is a huge value for me on the other hand. If you go into the room saying man, I really wants a quater. I really want Alvin Kamara and they're going for 70 bucks. It might be smart to Pivot to more of a balanced approach or to Pivot to the wide receiver position. So you really need to pay constant attention and read your room in an auction. Yeah, and the quarterback position is really interesting in our leg, you know each other. Makes it might not be you know, a lot of our top quarterbacks ended up going for a buck or two. I mean, I know my brother got Baker Mayfield for two bucks Matt Ryan went for a buck to believe Justin pain sermon. So it was really interesting our guy Ben Ben Louganis. Hey Abed. Are you ever gonna learn? He always pays up for a quarterback spent 20 bucks on Patrick Mahomes. I think I was next closest. I spent I think eight on DeShaun Watson. And so, you know quite the quite the drop off between the the top quarterbacks and you know in our Legacy that's pretty common every year that you can always get some good quarterbacks for just a buck to 3 bucks in our Lake. Yeah, so and I would not say Tom that this is going to be common for a league that's just starting an auction. You know, I got my guy Kyler Murray for two bucks and I feel really good about that. And then I saw Baker Mayfield go for two and Matt Ryan go for one now. I mean Extra Buck where you don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kyler was up before those guys. And yeah, I want to guess the bigger Mayfield want for closer to four or five dollars. But I mean, that's that's why we do oxide. You don't know where these guys are going to go and for how much and I mean that was a great buy for for Baker and I didn't want to like put and here's the thing Tom when you have limited roster spots. I didn't I didn't want to bid up for Baker just because hey that's too cheap, you know, like I didn't want to blow a roster spot. Spot when I had players at other positions that I wanted to Target. So you already had a quarterback. I mean exactly. There's almost no reason to carry two quarterbacks. So I mean your why would you jump in there? So it was a kind of a, you know part of the timing as well as probably one Baker was nominated. We were probably I don't know eight to ten quarterbacks into that at that point. A lot of guys already had their quarterbacks. Yeah, so I don't think that's going to be common but the one thing I would tell the people if you're getting into auction and you want an auction strategy Not pay up for a quarterback because you are going to be stunned at how cheap you can get one and then you know, if somebody wants to buy two Elite quarterbacks. It's an annoying. Yes, but Tom let them because everybody in an auction has a finite cap and if they're going to say, oh, you know, I paid $25 for Patrick Mahomes, but I can't let DeShaun Watson go for 15. That's too cheap. Well let that guy because Tom not only do you have finite money. You have finite roster spaces while I was about to say, that's the thing if he takes one more quarterback. Back that means that's an extra running back or receiver that's left out in the board. And then you know that could maybe that could be the difference in a tear or two later in the draft. So it's not only money. It's you know, what roster spots are being used. So Tommy, I mean it's the thing with that that's the one thing I could say about auctions and you'll notice up at a fantasy for agents.com. Tom our auction cheat sheet. The prices on the quarterbacks are going to look cheap. I think we only have two guys who I project for over $10 at on the Low end and in our draft only one quarterback one for $10 or more in that was Patrick Mahomes and went for 20, which actually I mean notnot to rag on Ben. It doesn't look awful on the surface. But when you saw Baker Mayfield go for $2 patch Mahomes isn't 10 times better than Baker made. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, and you never know and in that was the first quarterback that was out. I mean Ben maybe I should know our room a little bit better. This is how many years we've been doing. This is their sixth or seventh year that we've been doing this. It's the same every year nobody drought, you know, nobody bids up for quarterbacks in our legs. So, you know, you can always get good deals and you know, even our our leg is getting sharper on the defense has now I don't think anybody spent two dollars or more on a defense as well. Yeah, sometimes early in an auction. The one thing that will get boring is throwing defense has out there. But but what guys want an auction Tom if you throw defense out early you want to get a $1 by at the defense position. So you have that roster spot filled you Little bit more better idea of how much cap you have to work with before getting to the end of the auction and saying, oh I have six bucks left. I really want to draft this guy. I've been eyeing up ah shit. I haven't bought my defense yet. So yeah, you're not Moyer ended up doing that. He put Chicago out in the second round of betting. I believe it was and you know, that's one of those like, well somebody bids it up. That means they're spending more money on a defense than I would be willing to spend and if not I get the best defense that's out there. Yeah. So, I mean the Barrett the problem with the Bears is they play their mortal enemy and one are not that that's one of the things I gave away on the fantasy Feast. I was like never drafty fences based off of ranking strapped them off of who they play in week 1 and ideally beyond that. That's always my thing that I do Tom and I got Baltimore plays Miami and week one, so I'm pretty excited about that. But that's what we do in an auction. There's always going to be guys who end up looking like values at the end of the draft, you know, you can't get yourself too much into that. But the one thing I will say for sure do Not spend up for quarterback because the question becomes would you rather have Baker Mayfield end Cooper cup or Patrick Mahomes and I'm always going to take the good receiver and the lower end quarterback over the great quarterback. Yeah, and we know the depth of the position. I mean if you wanted to wait till the very end and take the last quarterback drafted. I mean if you get like, you know, Josh Alan, you know that, you know our our QB 18 or 19. You'll be fine. Yeah, you'll be fine. Fine, you could you can stream them, you know, there's plenty of good options out there at quarterback. So that is one position not to spend up at. All. Right Tom II think that's going to wrap it up for this edition of the podcast. So people enjoy talking about this you and I have an auction on Thursday that maybe are our good friend. Josh Moyer will be in as well. But we have some guys in that auction. Whoo-hoo you've heard of and it's a fun League that you and I have had a lot of success in recently not yes not to brag too much. But you and I also have our big long-term draft on Sunday. We got to get ready for that. I have the ACI alumni draft Tom tonight. I've never been what does that even mean? I've never been in the ACI but like that there is a lot of turnover how you get me. Neither. Exactly. It's a very confused by this stuff holds honorary degree. All right, I guess I'm an honorary member of the ACI, even though I've never been in the ACI. I know the ACI drafts coming out I was watching. And some of those videos. Oh my Lord. Was that fun? By the way, if you don't know what the ACI is John Hanson and Adam Kaplan our erstwhile colleagues started that up at Sirius XM fantasy and it's at the Adam Kaplan Invitational and you have to do a video submission to get in and they were so freaking great ones this year and it's all those going out on the Sirius XM fantasy feed yesterday. I guess they were playing all the videos that from the people We got accepted into the league and there were some pretty good one. I'm in the alumni draft tonight, even though I it's an honorary degree from so there's the competition in the alumni. We got big rig. I think I think our girl Bonnie's in there. Okay, Bonnie. I hope you listen to podcasts till we got some good ones Tom. I mean, it's I don't know who else is in it, but I'm in it. I know that it's an 8:30 tonight. And I know you Tom are drafting at not fantasy Fabio's and even though he's in the ACI to he won the ACI last year. So he if you win the ACI which by the way, John Hanson won two years in a row, but she's Laird's if you have to be a CI you get to be in and again, otherwise, they turn it over. But but but anyway, I'm in that draft and Tom you are in the NFC tonight. I want to hear about your team. Yeah, I'm interested. I was gonna pluck. I've been kind of going through it picking first in the third round reverse. Also, if you know anybody that's not familiar with the third round reverse a lot means basically I get dropped to the back of the third round. I would usually pick first 24th 25th. I, instead pick first 24 36 and 37. So little bit different I'll you know, I'm hoping to get maybe a I don't know like a, you know, Stefon Diggs or Julian Edelman or somebody else for your plan out there Tom, whatever. I mean, it'll take them and I'll have a better player available. So So I see so yeah, it's a it's a little bit different strategy. But you know, it's not the spot. I wanted I'll be completely honest. I wish I was picking, you know, probably where you were. I think I would have preferred towards the back end of the draft. What do you have a torn? I had eight. Hey and David Johnson fell the me because that was on the heels of that awful preseason game and then of course, they ended up looking pretty good in their next one. So yeah, I'm really happy about that pic. Yeah, that's so I think I'd rather pick towards back. And but you know, I'll see how it goes. I'm very interested. I've never competed in an FF C regular season. I've done it a couple of the postseason last year. I know we did that, you know for them. So I'm very excited to get in this high-stakes leg and see what it's like to go against, you know, some some big money players. All right, Tom, I gotta get to the dentist. I have a dentist appointment. Oh, I hope your experience goes better than my dentist experience yesterday. So I aiso up. Uh, yeah. Well, I went February 26th last time so they scheduled me for August 26. Yeah, that sounds great six months, you know perfect so I get there and they tell me that dental insurance doesn't cover a cleaning unless it's six months and one day after your last appointment. So I'm literally six months and you know on the nose away from my last appointment. So today would have been perfect. Yesterday wasn't so I traveled 20 minutes to go get this frickin cleaning and they told me I have to show up again next week. So that's their fault. Well, I know but what the hell am I supposed to do like anyway, I gotta get to the dentist right now. So for Tom Rowley at Tom Rowley on Twitter. I am Joe Dolan at FT underscore Dolan. Thanks everybody. I got my first day of lectures tomorrow. I got to go to class. I my schedule is now packed make sure you subscribe to the fantasy Feast by the way on the Ross Tucker podcast Network because I will be the co-host this Year, it has been great talking to you guys. I hope everybody has a wonderful Tuesday. Join me on Thursday with Greg Cosell. Thanks for joining us on the fantasy free agents podcast. Remember to subscribe rate and review on the apple of your choice. Our next episode is just around the corner.

Joe Dolan (@FG_Dolan) and Tom Brolley (@TomBrolley) dig into all non-Andrew Luck/Lamar Miller talk following the third week of the preseason (7:15). They also hit on news regarding A.J. Green (23:05), the Patriots offensive line (24:35), and Rob Gronkowski (27:30) before finishing the pod with some tips to dominate your auction draft (32:15). Lastly, congrats to Joe for his new role as the lead analyst on the Fantasy Feast Podcast with Ross Tucker. A special congratulations to our own Joe Dolan for finishing #1 in Draft Accuracy for the 2018 season among 140+ sites and experts! This was Joe’s second #1 overall and third top-3 finish in the last 5 years, making his rankings THE most accurate preseason fantasy football draft rankings on average since 2015. Check out the complete list at fantasypros.com/nfl/accuracy/multi-year-draft.php. Joe’s draft was held on 8/20, but there’s still time to beat Tom! To draft against Tom, join the Rotowire Online Championship and select the online draft date and time of 8/27 at 9:30 PM Eastern. Play for the $200,000 grand prize!

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All right, we have the lovely Kate Strauss on poets return. He'll okay. Hello. And if that belief, excuse me, oh both are fine. But we always people are was like, what is that? I'm like, yeah. That's my last name. It's weird. So Kate is an amazing poet. She publishes her work on Instagram. She's self-published and she's here today to actually show we're going to share some of her work talk about her process. And just kind of dive into attacking poetry on not only social media, but just getting out there and sharing your words as yeah, Gary, even if it's one person can be it can be it can be exactly so if you also just for everyone to know I like to get this out of the way, so, it's Kate Strauss poetry. Okay atest are a u.s. Spoe t Ry exactly. Yes. And now how do you say is it - its - why - why? Yes, so every chapter in my my book is like Hardy like heart - why cheeky like cheek - why shitty shit - why so I didn't actually come up with that my friend came up with it. She was like every one of your chakras is like - why you should just call it - why and nobody gets it people call it like - it's fine. It doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't make any sense. But like hey, you know, it's like when people say Bowie is bougie and like weird that G come from but that's bro. I love that idea. So tell me about how was your friend you said came up with that idea. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, one other people can kind of almost see objectively things in your work that you would never know. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was a really cool experience for her to come up with that. And now I think for my next book it's going to be like way more straightforward. It's just going to be sobering thoughts but good title good thing. Yeah. Yeah, whenever I publish that which I would like to not self-publish, but you know, it takes a little more effort. I know that's one of the things I wanted to talk to you about because self-publishing is Thing I've considered and I'm like I said, I'm kind of a chicken about sharing my stuff and how did that whole process like how did you get educated on how to even do that and Hunter have go so I actually finished my poetry book while I was in Italy very romantic and by myself and I was just like hold up in my apartment. I like didn't see as much of Italy as I probably should have and finish my book and then I hired this guy from freelancer.com and yeah freelancer.com And who is amazing? I was suggesting to anyone. He really liked put together my whole book for me and used illustrator and I got some people to Amos to illustrate things and then would send them over to him and he really put it all together for a really really small amount of money. And then my mom's friend kind is a self-publisher on Amazon. So she just sat me down and she just took me through like step-by-step. This is what you do this how you use create space, which is Amazon platform. This is how you Have to format specifically for Amazon. And yeah, we just like, you know a lot of Googling, you know, figuring out like how to get an ISBN and you know how to get your barcode and all that good stuff. You know, there is a lot of technical things that go into it and I think that intimidates me to not only the sharing of vulnerability but then it's like the red tape you have to go through it's like yeah, why couldn't I be in the humming my days where I could just wander around I'm drinking then like my heart when it's some publishing has like it's brilliant, right? Exactly and I even went through the thing of like on Amazon. Amazon wouldn't show my poetry book for a while because it was adult content is it has brass on the cover and it's like considered erotic poetry which is ridiculous because there's not one thing about sex in my book which just proves the sexualization of a woman's body at any. Yeah, you're talking about anything because I talk about breast and we talk about bodies and stomachs and butts and like I do talk about rape, but you know like not in a sexual like why not? And like yeah, exactly, right. So it was just really interesting like going through that red tape and figuring out how to change how I described my book and you know, when people saw from it So eventually eventually like if you search - why Kate Strauss you can find it on Amazon, but hmm see but that's just that which probably is part of one of the reasons why you don't want to go through self-publishing again, because I'm sure you want to be able to yeah, it's the same reason why when you have a great artistic idea and you want to write a grant it's great and But then if you get the grant they might make you change everything that you and Sheree wanted the Graham sure. So I'm glad that you were able to maintain obviously most of the Integrity of what you wanted. But having to change even the description can feel intrusive when you're yeah, it was really interesting. It was it was a little it was a little odd. I was really frustrated by Amazon because I have friends who've given this to their this book to their 13-year old daughter's, you know, and like I think it's an important book for 13 year old girls to read lately, you know, I think talking about our bodies and talking about sex in vaginas and penises and whatever. I think it's really important and I think children should be exposed in a not a sexualized manner but like should be able to understand. I also think like giving them books of this nature like lets them feel like they can ask questions absolutely gives them a safe space that means children are having these thoughts these questions these concern raised experiences sadly at very young ages some. Yeah, and the reason people go through so much trauma without Ever Getting to deal with it is because a lot of the time they don't have a safe exactly. Gusset so yeah, I think it's awesome. Yeah, I think it's awesome. It's cool. I really love also sharing my poetry in Instagram because people then feel really comfortable to share their poetry with me and I love that. I absolutely love when people share their poetry with me and they feel comfortable saying like, oh I've struggled with this eating disorder stuff or I, you know, just like opens up a line of communication. That's really really special and important to me. It's wanted such a it's a dialogue that so many people are thirsting and hungering for to be able to know that Nobody else feels this way. Definitely. They're not alone, you know. Yeah, so so well on that note, I'm going to have Kate share. I'm gonna have her share a piece that she wants to first and if you don't mind reader view, yeah sure. I love this poem and I don't care if anyone doesn't like it. I'll be your mistress. I'll be your secret. I'll be the last drop of honey in your class that you lap up quickly with your finger to taste its sweetness while no one is looking because you told them you don't eat sugar anymore. Damn it Kate. That was that's on your Instagram. That was one of the ones I was gonna write because I love that poem. Yeah, I love it. Come to yeah the description and like you no matter who you are in the well, this is very sweet. Like everyone feel something when they hear those for yes because it's because for me it reminds me of a probable experience just as I'm sure yeah. Hmm. So do you want to talk a little bit about what inspired you to write this sure. I mean, I've been dealing with men since I was young We you know straight man has I am well, I'm not straight but I date men and I felt for a long time, especially when I came out to LA that and we just talked about this before we started, you know, like people are fickle here. I just I this book a lot - why is a lot about like me not recognizing my worth and I was such a victim for such a long time and I was like, well, you don't recognize my worth. So it's your fault. It's on you. It's like well, I wasn't Using my words. So like how is somebody else supposed to so this poem is kind of about like it's specifically about like a man using me but I don't even want to say using me because I don't want to put the onus on them like it's that's my choice if I get myself one of those situations, but it's about a man being in my life and not yeah not respecting or like giving me the worth that I deserve but appreciating and appreciating me. Yeah and like taking what they want and then Starting rest right? But again, I feel I'm not in that victim place that I was when I wrote that poem. I mean, this is really interesting going back and reading the poems from - why because I'm very very different which is a it's a crazy. It's not crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Yes. Yes Kate and I were just talking about this also before we started that I we both have had relationships and that we've gotten out of and whatnot. But I wrote a book of poetry just all about my last relationship because I was like, I need to just put it somewhere. Yeah and put it all into. Thing and even now when I go back and read it, I'm like, oh I'm not it's nice to know. I'm not there anymore. It's a great way to journal. I think it is. It's a beautiful way to like see your experience and kind of track how you were feeling. And yeah, I've written it's interesting I especially because I share on Instagram like I really try hard to be respectful of people and to not like my most recent relationship. I don't think I would post any of the Poetry from that quite yet because I just don't think it's very kind well and it's like you don't want to fight you don't wanna get like Taylor Swift Swift syndrome where you just you know, calling out of your last bruises and bumps. Yeah, exactly. But I think and that's very I think that's a very mature thing as a writer too. And that's something to know that you're not being the victim. It's real like this is about expressing this feeling expressing this experience and hoping that somebody else can read it that might still be there. Yeah. I know. Okay. Maybe I need to assess her anyway father and even know my worse or yeah, but that's a very hard thing to do people. I mean it's loving yourself is not easy. Mmm, it's not it's not it's not easy, but it's definitely something you have. I'll speak for myself have to work. It's not it doesn't come naturally to me. I mean, my natural state is like Kate you are bad same you are AB your bad girl and not like a cool bad girl, right like like just bad just yeah, so I work really hard on accepting myself and loving myself and and I do that through poetry to you know, like write poems. I'll write love letters to myself and just like that, right? Things about myself and yeah, it's changed a lot since this I wrote I published two years ago, which is crazy to me. I know years because I feel like even I was talking to Heather about this and I can't believe it's been two years. Yeah telling me. Yeah and self-publishing. Yeah, but that's okay. Yeah. Yeah, really crazy. I need to take that advice about The Love Letters to yourself because that's that sounds like actually really great idea. Okay, there was another there's a one there's one of these that I really yes. Okay. So this poem of Kate's I really like because several reasons one of which I'm that weird pirate where I love when anyone uses like nautical terminology or like anything but I also love it because as we were speaking about women with their bodies, like respecting our bodies knowing how to treat our bodies how other people treat our bodies like it's a very difficult relationship and it's a tumultuous relationship and like you said, you have to work at it. You have to work at loving your all of ourselves. And so I'm just going to read this starts with the question, which I also love we're meant to Cherish our bodies I struggle with that the phrase Your Vessel confuses me my vessel. The one that can't choose which foods it's allergic to the one that breaks out in acne. That's red and swollen that carries more weight than it ought to that swells that stings that knives and glitches. Sometimes it's a body that lets the Mind hurt it. Let's people ravaged it destroy it. My vessel feels like more of a burden and something that carries me. You know because I feel like that's so that's something that not mean men deal with this to everyone deals in this. It's just carrying the weight of the physical the mental the emotional the past the present the future. It's just like sometimes I always say this to people I go sometimes I feel like I'm just like this big walking dumpster hmm, you know, you're supposed to receive the vessel and I love that term because it's but it's like sometimes I just feel like I've just this accumulation of garbage at times like realizing know our experiences are what they are and right we're not perfect and rmp actions can be daunting. But yeah, I just I love the questioning to yeah, I feel like that's that conversation that we have with ourselves. Right? It's interesting that you said that I was just I was thinking when he said the nautical thing I could make probably like a collection of poems of nautical stuff because I have an x marks the spot home. I have a like a coral reef part of a poem and I Starfish poem and I have you never want you out of elements a descriptor. Yeah, how about you use the elements? Very strongly? Yeah are descriptive - because same I'm I got it's to a point now where in Birdbrain I'm like, maybe I need to split these up because like happens poems are like all about the ocean, but I think I don't know about you but there's something for me at least that when I can't describe an emotion like it feels like it's grander than I am. There's something freeing about like going to definitely Yeah, definitely. I agree too big. Yeah, it's I like I like writing about bodies and my experience with bodies and and you do it very strong. I mean even in your description on Instagram Kate's description writer. I can't stop writing about bodies and mushy stuff, which I absolutely love because I think that that's also a very astute description of I feel like so often we your self-deprecating to like a description of the poet's Journey trying to not take ourselves too seriously, right? Because at that point you're like, People to be like I'm poet. Let me tell you about the darkness. That is one of the things like I don't like about poetry. Is that or poet or people's perception of poetry is that like you have to be like a drunk who hates themselves and hates the world and it's so not true. You know, I don't drink and I mean I was drinking when I wrote this book, but I don't drink anymore and I haven't for two years and like I might I was so scared when I stopped drinking. I was like, I'm not gonna be able to write I'm not going to be able to like have things flow like what am I going to do? I wrote so many poems about getting sober and I wrote so much about like all the emotions that came up actually because I stopped drinking as opposed to you're finally feeling right all my life feeling it. Yeah, so there was so there's so much in there and I can like process and like actually, you know, I don't write the same poem seven times over in different ways because that's yeah. So yeah, it's pretty poignant. Yeah, because I'm not I can like processing's and actually deal with Shedden like, you know finish a story and the right keep starting the same story exactly. We'll take the cows. But you know, this is like Charles Bukowski that's like an issue. I kind of I struggle with him. I love him - I really like him. I struggled with was like a love-hate because I think he liked reminds me of like the bad side of me like the part of me that at the demon that I want to feed, you know, it's like be careful that quote like the careful when casting out your demons you cast out the best thing that's in you which I get but it's also like you don't need to feed this. Monster, I agree inspired. I agree and that's which is why I also really admire you for getting sober which is amazing to You're Sober that's freaking huge specially in Los Angeles for a treat to talk to some people but ask me that often. They're like, how do you talk to people like well, but it's not and I'm sure it's not that it's gotten easier. But do you feel like you've gotten to a place where just because you're more comfortable with your own? Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't it doesn't bother me at all to just it's really freeing to do a lot of The things that I thought I couldn't do sober it's freeing to like dance sober. It's freeing to like have deep, you know conversations sober and you remember them and it's really freeing to like do all this stuff like stand up in front of crowds and do stupid things and like think that you could never do those because you had to have a drink and you to do them and you know, you don't have to you don't have to it's really freeing. Yeah. That's powerful. That's very powerful. Well, and I think that that's another thing I've noticed in your poetry is that talking about Addiction, you know talking about eating disorders addiction the trauma of sexual assault. All of these things are things that so many people deal with and are afraid to put out there. Yeah, because you know, it's the internet you never know. Someone's going to troll you or be just you know, and it's like silly to fear that but it's like that eight-year-old and all of us that's like is someone going to like think I'm stupid or like be sure to me and show I'd it's hard it's hard. So that's one of those things that I think social media can be helpful though because it's a platform to where you're like, I'm just going to get out there. Yeah. Do you have an another poem that you'd like to sure have her share a couple more poems? I'm slowly learning how to voice my needs are them out but I don't think my needs are a blowing sheet in the breeze hung up after washing. I think my needs are thick old Persian Dusty rugs that need to be hit against a metal fence again, and again, and again until the ground around is Dusty and the rug is worn but clean. threads bear dust cleared needs met Yeah, I love that one too. Will you read before you get to the will you actually just read it one more time? Yeah, thank you. I'm slowly learning how to voice my needs are them out but I don't think my needs are blowing sheet in the breeze hung up after washing. I think my needs are thick old Persian Dusty rugs that need to be hit against a metal fence again and again and again until the ground around. Just Dusty and the rug is worn but clean threads bear dust cleared needs met. I love that too that I think would be a really great poem to visualize. Yeah, it would be cut wood that would be could literally just be someone hanging out and then and I love the idea of the rugs and it's the metal fence to yes crucial. Yeah, because it's like that. It's not a clean sound either. It's messy and it's dusty but But I love the like threads bear needs met. Hmm. It's interesting because like a lot of times and I talked about this also a lot and a lot of my poems is like that idea of femininity and grease and Womanhood and you know, I am not I would not consider myself. I have a lot of masculine energy and I don't mean like I'm very male. Like I just have a lot of masculine energy is the misconception that people write don't understand. No yin-yang dark white, whatever dark light whatever like There's in my opinion like too overbearing forces good evil. Whatever it is, like just masculine-feminine. We happen to also sometimes attach those to our sex which I don't think are is correct, but I have a lot of masculine energy. And so sometimes I felt for a long time not very feminine. And and in that I felt that my needs weren't very feminine because I needed more and I wanted more and I it was not a blowing sheet. Like it wasn't like a pretty little like I just you like a hug and like some love and my girl, you know, I was like no, I need some deep intense emotional intimacy and I need to be seen and I need to be heard and I'm not always gonna be clean and right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well that's like we associate all these terms with like men like grit and like even stuff like strength and bravery those words even now bring up do no pictures of patriot and yeah, crap like that and yeah, we're getting to a point where it's not so much but I do think especially in the western world. There's this idea where being a woman with a strong masculine energy is seen As an aggressive or a negative more like you're too much or you're a witch in the professional world. You're a bitch right? And it's really just knowing what you want and being able to ask for it. Hmm. Yeah, I think it's also a great thing in your poetry that I think would be awesome for visualization as I feel like the images are so specific and clear that like the association between a sheep blowing in the wind as opposed to an old dirty Persian. Drug against a metal fun. Yeah, that's like that's clear. That's just so clear to me. And I think that's one of the things I love about poetry is sometimes it takes so little words. You can say like three things. Yeah. It's like I know exactly what that is. Yeah exactly what that is. So it's funny because and I don't actually own this book, but I don't know. Do you do you own Milk and Honey by? Yeah. Yeah, so and I love her writing. I think it's and I think that's one of those things where A couple of years ago I stumbled or whenever she got published shoes. I think published in 2016. Yeah, and I think it was two or three years ago that I stumbled upon her book and Barnes and Noble and was not in a good place and opened it and was reading, you know in her poems. Are there also I think very much about the body and we hands bottom and she talks about these different because milk and honey. If I remember there's chapters that are based on like different struggles kind of like it goes through and at that time I was really working on pick your poison. It was one of my books and it was going through different chapters of struggles. But her writing had like this lightness in this hope in it. Hmm Beauty. Mmm, it does and instead of at that time I wasn't able to enjoy it. I was like, well, this is good. He's more Darkness like this doesn't know. Yeah, and I rejected it because I was I'm sure jealous and just wasn't prepared to accept. Hope I think also in writing and so I Revisited her work like probably six weeks ago and I was like, oh this is delightful. This is really touching and love me something and there's so much of a journey that happens in such a short amount of time in those homes, you know, and for me, I was like it made me hopeful because it also kind of like you were just talking about you don't need to be hitting yourself overhead over the head with a bottle of Jack Daniels written like Rick breathing fire to be a puppet. And so it's more and especially like female poets. I feel like the more female poets. I read I'm like there is this such a bravery in such a perseverance in the female spirit that you get it's almost impossible not to have that hope because it's like at the end of the day you carry on, you know what I mean? Carry on and why not like love yourself and see the beauty of the carrying on instead of just the strongly agree. Yeah. So yeah, and I think reading your poetry too because I feel like even though you have such raw vulnerability there is a hope there is that beauty and there is that light at the end of the tunnel, right? So yeah, the the moral of story is kids you don't you have to be depressed right? If you don't you really don't you can be happy. It's funny. My dad. My dad also writes poetry and I love his poetry. It's really it's always very sweet. And he once said to me that my poetry was like too angry. Mmm. I like why can't it be happier and I wanted to just like slap him across the face and I did write a poem about that like how my poetry like is an anchor for some people to be able to express their And feel their feelings, but I did take it a little bit to heart, you know, yeah because his thing was like you're an example for young women or whatever. It was. I think that's what he said and I wanted to be like, but I want to be an example that like you can be vulnerable and in perfect and you know, right about your emotions and have feelings and you're not you're not being overly sensitive or you're not being to like stop acting like such a girl like stop crying like a girl dramatic something so dramatic. I mean, I've been told my whole Whole life that I'm overdramatic. Yeah, I mean my mom used to call me like melodramatic Kate like that was her name for me. And so like I just my whole life was told like don't be so sensitive. Don't be so sensitive stop crying. And so the Poetry is a great way for me to be able to like work through that stuff and still feel it and show people that like, it's okay, right? It's okay to feel and cry and get angry and you know, as long as like, you know fee I like to say that feelings aren't facts. I don't like that. Yeah. As long as like you can still take action that that isn't based off of your feelings, you know, you can still take different actions based off your feelings. That's so true. When I think that that's when you you can like we were talking about earlier when you can use it as a journaling tool to kind of be able to look back and go all have so mad. I'm so spiteful I was so jealous or whatever it might be. But again, it's we judge ourselves for these quote-unquote negative emotions, but they're there we all have moments where were jealous. We all need this for work. I'm afraid and being able to express is that and then go back and not judge ourselves, but just be like, yeah, that's where I was I was legit, but it's it doesn't Define how I proceeded at my life and like obviously you aren't in that place anymore because everything passes and the good and the bad completely. So it's interesting to go back and be like, you know, at least for me when I'm in anger or hurt or fear. My immediate thought is like I'm gonna be in this place forever. Yeah, I'm gonna be here forever. I'm never going to feel this is my life. This is yeah. This is who I am now. I am now an angry person who just like wants to rage on B and it always passes yeah. Yeah. Well before we jump into another poem yes, when so at what point. How old are you if you remember if it's a specific time or it's just always been something that I know you talked about you your been a writer for a long time. Yeah, but when did you winded poetry kind of did you ever have a moment where you were like this I could actually do this. Like I could actually really express myself in this medium. So I really only actually so I've always wanted To be a writer but I had a really shitty experience in high school with a teacher and he really broke me and I actually was writing. I'm writing a book like a memoir type book a collection of funny essays called the girl who didn't know anything and in one of the chapters eyes is called the girl who didn't know how to write and I like revisit this can tell the story really quickly. I don't wanna take up too much time. Oh my God, so in high school I had this teacher Whatever didn't care that I'm saying is name because he was horrible and he was extremely misogynistic and he I would get ill going to his class my friends and I would get physically ill and and what grade were you in high school? I was in 11th grade 10th and 11th, and he told me I wasn't smart enough to take the AP exams. And then I took them the next year and got fives on both. But like that's not the point. The point is that I wrote this really long research paper about depression and you know misdiagnosis or overdiagnosis. As which I don't actually agree with that anymore, but at that time I thought that was the case then I wrote this whole research paper and he like took me aside after class and was like Kate. This is really good. And I was like, oh I was very surprised at you saying that he was like, I don't believe you wrote. It's too good. It's too good for you to have written and it really broke me and he was like, I'm just gonna give you a see because I can't I can't say you wrote this and yeah, so I went back when I was writing that that chapter in that book in the book that I'm writing. I was like, let me see if I could Find this essay and I found it. I found the research paper and I started reading it and I just started to bawl because it is the exact same voice that I have today. It is written in the exact same voice. Like I could have written that reason favorite yesterday. It sounds exactly like me and it's totally me so that actually like opened me up and I was like, oh I can be a writer and mr. Crowe eat crow. Yeah, pretty much God. He was a scary man. And and I just want to bring that up because Cuz I know so many people have like blocks people who are blocks creative locks in their life. And like what I have learned, especially from the artists way. I don't know if you've done it but it's a wonderful book by Julia Cameron. I suggest every single writer does it an artist but she talks about how a lot of people who are like that in our lives. A lot of teachers especially happened to be blocked Traders themselves and they take out their frustration and anger and it's like the Drama teacher that is means to is our like a bleed because she didn't get to be yeah. Growing up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, which is a huge but you know, it's a huge problem because that's that can stop someone in their tracks. Yeah, if you hadn't overcome that. Yeah, I hadn't kept going. Who knows if you would he ever and it did stop me for a while. I mean when I was in college, I like would have loved to go to college for something writing-related and I didn't I went for acting and you know, every time I wrote an essay I would second guess myself and I wouldn't think it was good. But anyway, once I read that chapter in that book, I was like, oh my God, and I just started opening up and writing all the time. And so then I started really writing poetry and I'd always liked dabbled and songwriting and I have like all those like funny songs you wrote in your 14 which are so wonderful and Rich and beautiful and I love them. I love fourteen-year-old. Kate's mind and feel so bad for her so much compassion so much compassion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so I just started writing again and that was like four years ago. Wow. Yeah was like opening three years ago. Yeah was just yeah, I just like non-stop. It's also I With my boyfriend at that time who had like moved out to Los Angeles with and was like, I'm gonna marry this man and then like, you know didn't obviously right plans true. Yeah things changed and I wrote a lot about that and that that poetry helped me so much that that break up. I mean so much I still to this day write poems about him because it just yeah, there are those are people that imprint on you. So just they'll always have a spot and I think that's one of the things that always inspires us. It's like a never-ending Fountain of feeling, you know, even if you're moved on from that point in your life, you can remember the potent. Just how potent that feeling was. It's like you can draw from that for ya. Forever. Yeah, like a well. It's like a wow exactly. Talking to Kate about this made me think of something. One of my favorite things about talking to writers is learning what they're writing ultimately does for them as people, of course. 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Well, I'm talking about you getting you know changing having the fear of getting sober and being afraid you were going to going to be able to write. Yeah when you did start writing about getting sober. I mean, I'm sure there were so many emotions of in terms of like Purging just all the stuff that you had dealt with but had like you were saying you dealt with it in little increments, but weren't under presenting with it hundred percent. That's when I really started writing about my breakup and I was like, oh my God, I still miss him. Like I still I still have feelings for him. Like I still love him and you know, I have a poem about how like if you want to always be loved just be one of my ex-boyfriends even for a day, you know, and like I just want to hear that one, you know, that's who I am and like I will always love all of my ex-boyfriends, you know, even if I broke up with Them just because no I love them. Hey, and that's something my thoughts get all societal here. But the whole society about what I'm just going to ghost this person. I'm yeah, they're dead to me and like to be honest. I'm almost jealous of people that can do that. Yeah, because I'm like, you know, I agree that will never be me. I will always be open to saying yeah, I still have love for that. Yes, and they hurt me. They wronged me they ran me over with the truck. But like yeah, yeah this poem at this this book has a lot about that ex-boyfriend has a lot about this guy. I was seeing who had cancer like three times and then ghosted me and we'd like been dating for like a year is crazy. So I thought he died. I thought he died. I have a lot of poems about him. And how did you find out that he hadn't died. Can I ask um, I was like just searching obituaries all the time and like wondering if his was going to come up and then months and months later. He appeared at the Grove. I saw him as a hero run into yeah. He would act like everything is fine. And I was like, oh jeez. Wow. Yeah, not great. Pretty. Hey, it's all good. Material. I'm going to say there's some their shit that I'm like I couldn't make this up if I tried exactly it could not have falsified this information if I want him, there's great. There's great material there and also like pain is the Touchstone of recovery, you know, I think that I think that the only time I really learned and really grown is through painful events. Absolutely and I think people are so afraid to You were so afraid to feel pain and it it sucks and suffering sucks and struggle socks, but I also think it really does teach you how to be able to join more and more present love yourself because you're like that I could make it. I made it through that bring it on. You can't have Love Without Fear. I mean, this is just going to get super spiritual but there's this great book called conversations with God and by Neil I was going to say diamond, but that's definitely not his name and Neale Donald walsch. I can't remember something like that. That anyway it's a great great book and he talks about how like you can't have Love Without Fear because if you didn't if you only had love you'd would have nothing to reflect it with you would just be love. It would just be all it would just be everything right. So the utopian model right the never right? We're right exactly. Yeah, I think it is Neale Donald walsch. Yes, you don't kneel down but it's a great book. It's a great book for anyone and I think for writers to because it is him just right. And even if you don't believe in a higher power swear, you're not spiritual at all. It's just interesting because he just like was homeless and started writing like letters to God and I just say God because it's an easier word than like the universe shorter, right and he started writing letters to God and then like God quote unquote. Sorry writing back. So honestly, it's just him free writing asking questions and just free writing back from God. It's really good. That sounds powerful. Yeah. I got a couple books. I need to get that and that's why I didn't tell you. You need to do the artists way. I feel like I've heard somebody else told me that I need to I need to do that. So 12-week program thing that just like unlocks you and many many ways. I'm always in need of being unlocked I now so am I so am I close up so quick it's hard not to and speaking of closing up. So when did you decide to go on social media and really it was it right when you self-published or was there a transition? I think I was Doing it a little bit before I self-published. So my face my Instagram used to be just me. I used to work for lingerie company and I used to just be used to just be me and bras. That was my Instagram for a really long time. So I transition. Yeah, it is so like deleted all of that and I'm just totally restarted and got good feedback and it actually was a little inspiring to be able to self publish after like getting good feedback from social media. So I was like, oh You know, like people actually like don't think it's shit. So it was encouraging and like I haven't had it bad. Well haven't had like someone not liking my poetry as a bad experience. I have had like weird experiences people like being three men's. Yeah, I was gonna say I bet you that. Yeah, I recently had an old boss be like read my book and he was like any man who reads this will want to sleep with you and be with you and I was like what not the feedback I want to do. Not not the litter. Boundary. Yeah, but I mean that's the thing is it's like the other side of the point. Sometimes it's almost that you fear success. Yeah sure you're writing to because it's like then it's out there. It's exposed people can ask you anything people can say it means this people can think it's about them. We just seem like yeah also at a place where yeah, not that you don't care but that you're at peace kind of with Rick putting it out there. Yeah, but I do think that that's probably for me as someone who's not there yet. That's a fear for me is that I'm like someone's gonna Whatever. I'm trying to think about what how I got there how I got because I really don't give a crap anymore about what I post. Like I just I think it will touch one person maybe and then I'm like, okay, that's enough. That's right. Well, that's the thing is that you went on your page, which I also love is that it's poetry and then it's also you doing things like living your life playing music being with family and friends doing pursuing your passion and okay, there was one on here. This is something that really inspired me. When I and we were talking about this again about saying that these things are okay to do when you're sober and you realize you can do these things without a drink but I love this because I feel like on social media. There's something so liberating when you see someone be a little bit of a kid, you know and be silly or be vulnerable. Even if it's if it's crying or laughing or being like somehow back to that rudimentary phase in life where you're playing. Hmm, and so this Is a poem on Kate's poetry page that like it cheered me up one day because I was like, oh man, I need to talk to my inner my inner child is alive right now. Katie wants to dance she wants to eat peas and pasta. She wants to have a tantrum for hours. It's not fair and then cry yourself to a luxurious post drama Napoli to be woken up by a hug of someone carrying her to somewhere comfort. Where she's wrapped up in swaddling and ready to wake up for the next day full of headstands and cartwheels. I was like hmm. But I love that because you're all the objectifying and whatever that happens in social media and guys being creepers and of putting yourself out there and having to deal with there's something so refreshing about taste like stripping it all away and just being like, you know, what makes you happy what makes you want to express and sometimes it just is that inner child that wants to player wants to scream or wants to cry or wants to run ask eat peas and pasta and yeah, that's one of the other things I love about poetry is that it's so simple, it's like such a simple expression of vulnerability and love and Joy because it's like it's almost like the words that were all thinking like the things that we're all feel like everyone's thinking that about themselves to some degree in some way specifically for them. Right and you know for me that's my grandma's white macaroni that nobody else makes everything that's white macaroni my grandma so but yeah, I just I love that because I think it balances us out to we get thrown so much shit gets thrown at us. It's negative and you process it and you try to keep going and you persevered to keep going on and that inner child I think is sometimes what's peddling us about a hundred things affect paddling. Like I feel like I owe my eight-year-old self. Sometimes as Dragon my yeah my butt down the road. Yeah. Come on over that. Yeah. I think I mean one of my favorite writing exercises. I've talked a lot about like writing that I do but other than poetry but my favorite writing exercises is I write with my dominant hand. Like I call my younger self Katie weighty. That's what my cousin's call me. And so it just like brings you back to Childhood. So I like say hi Katie. Ladylike. What do you need today? And I wrote with my non-dominant hand like what I need as a kid. And so I'll be like a hugger. I want to dance or I want ice cream you get this from running order. Yeah, they told me it was just once. Yeah, it's one of my favorite exercises. I bet you've gotten kind of pretty good at writing with your mother. No, I'm still really shit. I can't write with my left hand. Yes. Left-handed. I feel like I'm especially bad because I have nerve damage in my right hand. So like I'm gonna have to start trying that not actually might be a good exercise for my physical therapy two birds one stone. Yeah, exactly. Love it. Well, I'm going to have you share if you want to I would love to have you share one more poem If you ask one that it can be from your Instagram, it can be from anything find the ones I'm femininity which I am so bad at saying that word but you heard what it's like and see an enemy. Yeah and then in a minute But I don't know if I can find it. If I can't find it. I'll say something else. Oh, here's the here. Here's more nautical. Yes. When we meet will you wait to grab my flesh explore Uncharted Territory? You have the map you've had it for a while now have you poured over that map with your compass and red pen to Mark the exes you'll dig up delicately, of course, like, you know that the treasure you're uncovering cannot be recovered and what you take cannot be replaced. Treasure cannot be recovered. Mmm. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, you should like I could totally see you doing like an element. Yeah elements like because I love I mean I'm totally biased towards the ocean but I also think that the ocean just I love the relationship between the ocean and the Earth like I feel like it's like unrequited love which is something that I've always wanted to like delve into. Yeah, we should just keep trying to come back but at the same time the ocean is like the most destructive element towards Earth, right anyway, so basically all of my relationships, I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Yeah, I love to read about the ocean to and I trying to find where I have one here. It is really quick. Well, it's kind of about the ocean but yes, here we go the Earth cries in waves and crashes as she remembers what we've done to her. She drowns her sorrows in us. So it's a quick little one about the ocean but I used To talk to the ocean as a kid too because I had didn't have many friends and I would go into the ocean and I would talk to those. She was my first experience with like higher power or whatever. It was. Like my thing that I would talk to. It's such I mean I mean I'll get this is a whole different subject but I get real crazy about the ocean because like I believe the ocean is you I am not nerd like if you look at my YouTube my whole search system history, like my guilty pleasures is all about like lost ships. The Devil's Sea like the Bermuda Triangle like and not in a way that's like spookie ookie, but like I'm fascinated because the ocean like has a relationship with certain people just like when I saw no Lana I cried through the whole movie because I was like, I want to be my wanna like I've ever wanted to have the ocean have like a special relationship. Yeah, but you hear stories about you know ships will get commandeered Peter get overturned in like there was this one girl her family got their chip got capsize or something. She floated through the ocean for like four days before they found her wound. She was like ten but any time in her whole experience is just fascinating. She talks about how like sharks it was weird because the ocean animals would like it was weird. She's like, I don't know if I was hallucinating but like whales would come around and I protect me and like there. Was never a moment where I ever felt like I was going to sink like the ocean just felt like it had her and there's something about the elements which I love which again bring you back to child's like the childlike trust in the world that I love but I don't know. I think the ocean is very special. So I encourage you to write a whole instead of poems about yeah. I love the ocean to yeah. Well Kate, this has been amazing. Yeah you so much for coming on. Well, I'm sure we'll have you on again and I don't know what number it was in - why but I really want to think of a for that because that is Palpable just hearing it. I can already like see some courage. Let's do it. Follow Kate Strasse poetry. Yep, and by - why on Amazon and look out for her new stuff. I'm sure we will be seeing much more from her soon follow her on social and we will be back with boats return with another very profound poet. There's this audio production is copyright 2019 by The Poets return podcast All rights reserved the copyrights for each story are held by the respective authors. No duplication or reproduction of this auto program is permitted without the written consent of Melissa. Boom. Poets return a poetry podcast where artists share their work and discuss their process and let you see the story behind the words. So tell me what we going to make.

Kate Strauss is a self-published poet whose book DASH-Y can be found on Amazon for purchase. Her work delves into learning self-love through overcoming body struggles, addiction and misplaced ideas of our own worth. We discuss these topics as well as the process Kate went through publishing her own work and using social media as a public journal to reach and connect with the artistic community and beyond. Find her book at:  https://www.amazon.com/DASH-Y-Kate-Strauss-ebook/dp/B079TYQHS7 Instagram: @katestrausspoetry Pieces shared from DASH-Y: #30 : Kate talks about the themes in this piece, including not allowing ourselves to be used, which is a difficult lesson to learn. “We’re meant to cherish our bodies” is an untitled piece on her Instagram page that deals with loving our imperfections- something we're often taught the opposite of in life and society. #23: Needing more intimately is more easily understood when it comes from a man, but as women we need these things just as intensely. “Pain is the touchstone to recovery.” Kate went on to describe her experience getting sober: “It’s really freeing to do a lot of the things that I thought I couldn’t do sober. It’s freeing to dance sober. It’s freeing to have deep conversations sober, and you remember them. And it’s really freeing to do all this stuff, stand up in front of crowds, do stupid things and think that you could never do those things because you had to have a drink to do them, and you don’t have to.” -Kate Strauss  Original music by artist RJ Wayne, AKA Philasifer, featuring his track "That Magic."

Today's episode is brought to you by Capital One spark business. Whether it's your first day at the new headquarters or another day getting payroll out by the First Capital One Works seamlessly as your partner credit card provider and Business Bank. Hi everyone. It's Rebecca. You're listening to superwomen today's guest. I had the pleasure of doing a live podcast with in Phoenix, Arizona and malam the founder of solid core. She's Dynamic. She's energetic. I have hopes that my zero pack maybe could one day be a two pack in ABS and we talked about what inspired her journey what's next for her? So take a listen. I'm thrilled to be with an and have a conversation. For those of you who don't know. I launched a podcast last year. We were doing these amazing toxins my store. The fire code was 72 and I was like, there's got to be a better way to just get more women to hear these stories of incredible women so launch the podcast we've had everyone from Katie Couric to And fill in whatever Marie Claire to you know other inspiring women in the hopes that you get a little boost along your day or you get some great inspiration. So I'm thrilled to welcome you to the live podcast and Mom the founder of solid core. So for those of the women, I guess we'll to know what solid core is. What is solid core. Yes a solid core is 15 minutes of intensified Pilates the people who are attracted this workout because it's so challenging and hard are like just as badass in the yo as they are outside the studio and we always make the statement that you'll hear from our coaches of if you're not going to work for it in here. You're not going to work for it out there. So really challenging people to show up for themselves and those 15 minutes that they're spending with us. So I'd love to hear a little bit of the back story. I need solid core in my life bad because my daughter still thinks I'm pregnant. She thinks I'm pregnant all the time and she will let me know she's five. So I'd love to hear like, how did you discover the method you developed and what sort of inspired you to launch it? Yeah, so I think like probably most women if you guys want to be vulnerable with me, like how many of you had body issues food issues. Yeah, so I throw up my food for 10 12 years on and off and it got really bad in my 20s and it's like looking in the mirror. Like I can't believe you're doing this is so ridiculous. You're not doing this today and then like that night like there I would go again and also working out as many hours as I could find in the day eating tofu and egg whites and like lying to my parents and Friends of like why couldn't go to dinner as why I couldn't for Thanksgiving. It was just like all consuming and also felt that how much time I was spending working out and thinking about my body. I'm like, why does it look better than it does and so I was conscious super frustrated and I took this pilates class in Los Angeles when I was there for work and I kind of went in with a little bit of an ego because I'm a marathoner and I work on all the time and I got my butt kicked it was so hard and it was so hard and like places that I think as women we try to tone our ABS our obliques, you know, our legs our bodies like mentioned all of our body parts, but you know like everywhere. Yeah, but I kept doing it and I finally started to see my body evolve in ways and I'm like, that's how my body should look for how much I care about it and how much I want it to look my food issues sort of went away. So when I was going through all this sort of Love of Pilates, I was trying to figure out what was next for me after the nonprofit. It and I was like I got to build a business around this because I know there's women out there who are just as frustrated as I am with their with their bodies and they don't have a workout that's working and they don't have a community that's really sort of supporting them. So I was like, that's what I'm going to do. So lots of people have that idea and then they launched a studio right in there happy with that. How did you know how to not only launch one Studio but you have over 50 now. Yeah and it take I mean, I know you can't tell the whole the whole Every single detail but like that's a huge jump. Yeah. I know people always like ask like, oh did you ever think that you would have so many studios and I'm like, yes. Yes. I never wanted to own a single studio. Now, this Vision I had for solid core was this Empire and building this brand and it's like nailing the first one, right? So like making sure you get it right from the very beginning and I don't know if you guys know this story of Subway. It's a little kind of like Cars, but I always loved it. So the first Subway was like totally not successful wasn't working very well. So they were like we should open a second because then people will think we're doing great and I was like guys so brilliant the think like, you know, so I opened my second Studio literally within three months. We were we were doing really well. I'm busy but it was like this power of momentum and capitalizing on that and realizing there's something special here. I want to get out in the marketplace and I just kept reinvesting the It's in the company. So 2 to 3 to 4 to 5. And yeah, we have projections to be to a hundred Studios by the end of next year. Wow. Yeah. So in in taking it from 1 to 3 to 4 to 5, and then you know up over 50. What was what's been the hardest part of that? Is it people finances? Yeah, I mean everybody in here who runs a business and a company knows that you've got low lows and you got high highs and a lot of my Lolo's happens sort of in the beginning. It's frankly just cause you don't really know what ton so you go fully and on something like shouldn't shouldn't have done that. So I've gone through three lawsuits and Every time a year goes by I'm like I wasn't sued this year like amazing, you know, so that was hard right away of like someone's suing me over ownership in my company and being really angry and frustrated about that and realizing like those emotions aren't getting anywhere and frankly having to settle that lawsuit and like I've got so many principles but it's like it's not do you want to do you want to be right or do you want to run your business and I'm like, I want to run my business. So that was super challenging. I had to close our first Studio. Oh that we ever open because we didn't attenuate the sound appropriate appropriately and people could hear us in the morning at 5:00 and 6:00 a.m. Waking them up and they'll be please set the door like multiple times in the morning or like hey Danny, how you doing? So that was also like a challenging piece to be like we didn't get this right it's time to close. So those were some of the two of the the biggest things and then yeah, the Personnel stuff can be hard and for anybody, you know growing their company as rapid as we are. It's just mentioning this table like you can outgrow Talent sometimes and people aren't the right fit anymore. And that's tough conversation. We orbit. We've had a reorg like three to four times and people always feel like I've been here the longest therefore I should be the CEO and it's like that doesn't think that it works and it's not what's best for the company. So I feel like we're constantly trying to set expectations in our culture while showing appreciation for our people but also doing what's best for the company and that's a really delicate things out there. Look at dance to do so. I'm sure as with most of the women in this room and raise your hand if you feel this way, but as we've scaled our company, we've had trouble, you know, you know, if it's just me the founder, right? How do you get your employees and and with franchises right? Like how do you get these people to love and dedicate and put in everything that you put in? So how do you sort of motivate your team to do that? Yeah, I think mean I am always big liver that leadership does start at the top and I know that's an old adage but so solid core is Corporately owned and one of the first things I did once I took an investment was I created an employee pool. So everybody in my company has won two part of a long-term investment program. So when the company sells everybody gets something and so they feel like actual ownership in it and it's 10% of my personal Equity because it was sort of thinking of like, I'm a good Democrat like, I'm a liberal. I'm really vocal about my politics. You can go and read about my experience with the banca Trump if you'd like to but I want you to tell some story. I'm happy. I'm happy too. But like I'm so vocal about what I think is right and then when I took this investment, I'm sitting there and thinking gosh when we sell this company, which we frankly hope to do in the next 24 months. The only people that are going to benefit our me and my investors like the top 1% of this company and I had a real big problem with that. How can I say that my politics like our this but the way I run my company is this so that was a really important piece and I think people really, you know up. Shaded a leader sort of not just talking the talk, but walking the walk and we're also super transparent and I think we're really authentic and how we lead. I've cried in front of my, you know team in moments that I felt. I've been appropriate and I've let them know when things are hard and I've also you know shown up I think for them and real like leadership situations that they know that they can count on me and they know I'm always going to make the best decision for the company. So you took you ended up taking Taking some investment Equity with Peterson partner. Yes. What was the sort of catalyst to say? Okay. Now I need money. And then how did you decide to deploy the capital? Yeah, so I was raised looking to raise money in 2017. I wanted to grow faster. I get I get bored quickly. It's like this add thing where I'm like, okay, I've got mastered this two-by-two. Let's now go 3x3 and I started to reach out in the way that I sort of knew how which was through some just some men through back on my feet and like getting their contacts. And then I was like, I need to talk to some women honestly and I knew somebody who knew Julie rice from Soul cycle and I got ahold of I texted her and she called me right away and she's like, I want to help you need to call my lawyer. He's expensive but he's amazing and need to meet with him and he will help you and I literally pick up the phone and call this guy. I'm like, hey Steven, it's an he's like, yeah and like Julie told me to call you and he's like, oh, so we met that day in New York. He was amazing. Connect me with seven different firms mainly in New York one in Utah who we end up using which is Peterson partners, and we've had an amazing relationship with them and they just were like we want you to keep doing what you're doing as also mentioned the stable. My partner's aren't Utah and they're Mormon and I walk in there with a crop top tattoos, and I'm like I drink tequila and you guys need to know that because you can be who you are. But if you're not going to allow me to be me like this isn't going to work and we've just had this ridiculously like Credible partnership ever since and I wanted the capital to hire talent talent when I couldn't afford without it and to just get more Studios open across the country and they were on the same page with that. What were some of the land mines you knew to look out for with taking on an investment because I know when our company, you know, I call it you're more connected this person than your actual spouse or we are wedded to and had the our our prior investors had controlled the company I wouldn't be here today. So, how do you how did you sort of know what to Look for yeah, I mean listen character pretty I think shines through. I also talked to plenty of references. Right? Like I don't want to just talk to people references like when things went well and like do you have a couple people that when things were hard and didn't go well and I wanted to see how Peterson showed up for those situations and hear it from from the people on the receiving end because everything's great when everything is great, right? Like what's that little song? Why men great till they got to be great. Right? Like it's the truth and when everything is going awesome in our company has not had a downturn. They're really easy to work with but when and if that happens, I want to know that these guys have my back and that were on the same page. So the best way to do that is to check references the same way that you kind of wish boyfriend's would have references be like, I want to know how you treat. It really good. The girls are for you. So everyone in the room here is here because of their incredible high growth. So what advice would you have to keep that growth going? Yeah, I give out the best a lot of Fitness Studio owners and I like I want to open my second Studio. Yo, and they kind of get stuck with one and they're really kind of like I don't know how to do this Beyond this because I'm so engrossed in this one brick and mortar spot and I think the best advice is you need to embody your brand but your brand can't embody you meaning if you are the reason why this is working. It's a really dangerous company to grow because you can't be everywhere and I think as a Founder the most serious responsibility you have is to make sure what you're building works. Without you and if you're not you're not building the company, I feel like in the right way for the right reasons if it's all about you. I think your company is going to crash and burn and you won't be able to scale. So getting the right team and infrastructure in place to do that and working every sort of six months depending on how fast you're growing to reassess and say how have I grown in this company and my still working on the same responsibilities as I was six months ago? Why can't I Let Go, what's the problem? What is the stopping a Apps and if you can't figure that piece out your company is only going to be so big. So I feel like and I think we all know this Fitness is huge right now. People are spending more money on Fitness and eating frankly than on handbags, which is really annoying but I like it. I love it. But so, how do you how do you continue to sell yourself apart? It's far as like, you know with the sole cycles of the world or you know, all these incredible companies. How do you continue to innovate and set yourself differently. I for you as we are now going to be hopefully in I had to go try solid core you will see it's just different than as somebody who did every workout I thought was out there. It is different than any other workout that you ever will. Do you do it slowly for one? You're also in a cool environment. You've got, you know dark Lighting in there and your coaches awesome and we teach we actually train our coaches technically of course, but they go through this whole inspirational training as well. So you feel super motivated in class. There's no more than 18 people in there. So you really get connected with your teammates that are also doing the same workout, and I'm sorry. Hi, everybody in here who's sitting here knows that you have to have an amazing product if solid board didn't work and people weren't seeing results. We won't sit here and have 57 maybe 58 by wouldn't today is over. I don't know but but like that doesn't happen. If you have a fluke product, like people stopped coming and showing up and so we just spend a lot of our I would say like our marketing dollars continuing to invest in our operations the best coaches and yeah getting testimonies from our clients about how strong an I feel and how their bodies have changed from incorporating solid coordinate their regimen. What's your favorite part of going to work every day? I knew love the people I work with and it's like such a fun group of people like super sarcastic, which is my personality and like, you know, we don't agree all the time and that's really important too. But we've got this massive you no respect for each other and that's super fun for me and I sort of Love providing. I also love getting emails from clients. Like I never get sick of that of like Here's my story. This changed my life when he was why it makes you feel like you're doing something really important and sort of just think why you started the company and like wow, this stuff is actually happening that people feel so much stronger based on this product. So that doesn't get old. But yeah, it's like providing this amazing opportunity for all these folks who get to work for a company that they believe in we've got a lot of employees who are working doing something else and thought I want to get into fitness. I don't know how and we're like we've got a VP of marketing job and it's like what like I can go to a VP. Looking for Fitness like anyway, it's kind of been a fool journey to be able to provide the people. Who do you turn to and who do you let your hair down with when you're having a really shitty day? It's hard to let my hair down. I mean I got really good advice from Mary Wittenberg who used to be the CEO of New York Road Runners and I was a younger sort of CEO running back on my feet and I'm like gosh I just like get no appreciation at work, you know, like no one ever says thank you or like like I'm working so hard hard trying to build this thing and I feel like no one even takes notice and she's like and you got to get that shit at home and I thought it was so it's like I'm like she's so right right like you need to have this great home life outside of your work like your work is never going to love you back the way that you love it. So first off change your expectations if that's what you're thinking so my boyfriend Sam is incredible, you know, and if I've got something to talk through with him or frustrations or anything like I go there first, But don't do that in your company. It's the worst thing you can do like just get it outside of the walls. Are there any women you turn to? Yeah, like other Founders. Yeah. I mean, I don't have a lot of other like sometimes I'll still reach out a little bit to some folks like, you know, Mary's still send a Founder litigation, but I found her really impactful and my mom of course who's not a Founder, but she knows me really well and I feel like she always gives me great advice, but I have not found a huge Collective of women who are founders and Well today today, they're all here. Yeah, I mean, I'm clicking on your name Tracy and I are just talking and had a lot of things in common on you know things that are going on in our business that we're sort of, you know sharing with each other. So that is something I know look forward to continuing to get in my life and also providing advice for anybody who wants to continue to grow their company and I can share all my mistakes with you. I love sharing mistake the other women. I know the best form of therapy. Yeah, so it's been written about that Michelle Obama. Mama is a fan. Yeah, we give it up for that Michelle Obama doing solid for. Yes, so, I'm sure you're a Bound by NDA is that are the strongest any one of us has ever seen but what what advice did did she ever give you advice or what was that process like working with her? Yeah, there's no she still comes when she comes to class twice a week still and she's great. She's like been we've been out to dinner together. We play flip cup together at my place, which was our first time playing flip cup. She did not win and do you pinch yourself and like, oh my God, I'm playing flip cup with Michelle Obama. Okay. Yeah. There's a little tequila so it was a little surreal anyway, but yeah, I mean it means she just becomes you know, anybody who's she doesn't see herself as that way. You know, she's as humble as you sort of would think she is she's really got her feet on the ground. And yeah, I remember the first time she came and took class. She also had this mentality that this is Pilates how hard could it be? So she like worked out with her trainer in the morning and then came to class and we're like in the middle and Stella core has these sweat Lana's at you as you heard from Stacy and it's a It was potty or reformers from a machine and she's standing on top and she just like let's The Carriage go and she just has towering over me and I'm like you can do it. I don't you know, I'm like I didn't know what else to do, but I felt like she was going to kill me and her assistant for bringing her there. So yeah, I still like randomly will show up and I'm like I'm coaching today and she's like great you're going to see you're going to kick her ass. Yeah, but she works really really hard and she's been like really lovely to get to know. So you before you started solid core, you had a non-profit back on my feet. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, so back on my feet started in 2007 and you know talk about humble beginnings. I was running by a homeless shelter and Philly and these group of guys started to wave at me and I start to wave back at them. I'm from North Dakota. So if you talk to me when talk back to you and we sort of developed this relationship and I was in this place in my life where I was like, what is my purpose? Oh my God. One tell me what it is and I'll do it and I was looking underneath the proverbial rocks and just trying to get more meaning in my life and so both this relationship with these guys outside the shelter. My dad's also an addict. So there was sort of this weird connection that I had with these guys and I was like, I'm going to start a running club for this homeless shelter and like this makes so much sense. How can one has ever done this before and it took a while to convince some people the director of like oh this will work and he's like homeless people don't run and I'm like Well, let's ask them and you know, it was just this thing and then all of a sudden there was these nine guys who wanted to run and I'm with these nine guys and all this media showing up and it just became this big thing and after a little while the first few weeks of us running together three days a week. I was like, this is what I'm supposed to do with my life. I'm supposed to use running as a vehicle to make people feel really strong change their identity and if we can change their identity, then we can get them jobs and homes and housing and I'm like this makes so much sense. Everybody else was like, what are you talking about? Out so I called mentors and people that were in my life who are older trying to find someone to tell me that this was a good idea and nobody did right there. Like you're being irresponsible. What do you mean you want to do this for your job? You're going to raise money how you can pay yourself and I'm like, I will figure all of that out. But when your life starts to make sense in the way that I felt it was with my dad being an addict and feeling what I felt for those guys and seeing the power of this Sport and watching these guys get excited about running and who they were I was like, Worst thing that happens is this doesn't work out and I think we convinced ourselves a lot that the worst-case scenario is way like more interminable than it is and it's like you don't die. We don't live in a video game. So yeah, I like I just I just went for it and I spend on myself with people who are smarter than I was and we built a six and a half million dollar annual organization that had 50 staff when I when I left and still has 50 staff and had twelve chapters helping thousands of people living in shelters. Luther's gaining new identity and then moved to employment because we're in a Marriott Marriott has employed over a thousand of our members. They've been a great employment partner to us and it was like Marriott's an amazing company, but it again it's sort of like here's this idea. Like I'm going to disrupt homelessness, like wait what and so it's just no one thought it was a good idea. No one thought that would work and then when I was like I'm leaving this too. Open a fitness studio. I was like, this is stupid. What do you mean you're going to open a fitness studio? Aren't you going to Africa to save all the children? I mean, you just helped all the homeless, you know, like so yeah, like everybody probably in this room, you have come up with resistance for your idea people telling, you know, don't take the risk be responsible make the smart choice and that's what not that's like not when entrepreneurs are made of can you sell your energy at your locations to it's amazing? Yeah. Thanks. So what's next you mentioned? You want to have sell the company in the next 24 months. Do you want to stay on is the goal? What's the goal? Yeah, the go like is not to stay on. I think people freak out when there are ends two things right when something ends. It's like oh my god what happened? It wasn't worth it when a relationship after four years and it's sort of oh, you didn't get married and have kids what a waste of time and I don't really look at life. That way. I think that most things should come to an end so that you can have a new beginning and just Back on my feet. I built that organization to a level that I thought was this was my work and it's now stable and there's an amazing board amazing staff. Like I'm no longer needed and frankly. There's someone who's way better at running this thing than I would be at this point because it's sort of needs a great operator and Cellucor is little bit of the same right now, like my job is so far removed from the day-to-day operations, and I feel like, you know growing to a hundred Studios next year selling the company. I'll help with the transition and then it's time to do something else. Like I'm a Creator. I like to build I like to try new things and I think that's my gift to the world. So I think it would be the easier choice just to stay and keep doing this and I'm excited to find somebody who will like take as good care of it as I have and that will also be the same process of like constantly interviewing folks who they've worked with and making sure that I'm turning this over to hands that I trust awesome. So on the podcast, I like to ask my guests to things the same. Questions to ever guess. So the second to last question is what is something we'd be surprised to know about you. I share very personal things on the podcast. You can share personal or not surprised to know about me. Yeah. I meant. Yeah I mentioned my father is an addict right? He's very okay with me talking about that. So I grew up in North Dakota, which is probably something you guys wouldn't have guessed and yeah had more little challenging, you know, High School upbringing didn't come. I'm from then come from obviously a lot there but my personal my personal life has really driven my family life. My personal life is really driven my entrepreneurship and something else which is not that vulnerable but I can walk on my hands like 50 yards and I will right now I knew she wasn't a spy and I literally send video whatever but I'd also tell Rebecca. I broke my femur this summer. So I don't have the quite that how you broke your femur Yeah, I broke my friend ran into me on a jet. Ski, that's exactly my response. Yeah, so it was a little bit of a rare. I had a compound femur fracture in the water. And yeah, seven surgeries multiple blood transfusions 15 days in the hospital. So it was a little bit of a vengeful but uneventful summer for me. I'm like this Sunshine here is amazing feel so good to be outside. And on the same note is that I was three weeks out from my injury at home and was like, I got to get my life back. Like I'm not going to be this person afterward that is not going to be stronger before the injury. I want to be stronger after so I made this commitment and I signed up for a marathon on March 28th, which will be like nine and a half months after my accident and I just started to ask some people of my friends to do it with me. And as of this morning, there are like four, An 85 people signed up to run this Marathon. Well, it's the DC Rock and Roll Marathon on March 28th. So some of you are from DC or trying to get to 500 by the end of the week. So if you're looking for like a goal and accomplishment, we've got this team called stronger together. And yeah, I'm just like so humbled and amazed and grateful and it's beyond my wildest expectations to see people that I don't even know like being like I want to do this too and join this amazing team of people who are trying to just be a little bit better than they were yesterday. Awesome. So my last question, okay, you is any last piece of advice? These are all very accomplished women. So the advice you would not necessarily give to young up-and-coming but for like women who have all clearly incredible careers. Yeah, I think 20 you guys are thinking about growing your company and I think we that also can be, you know forced upon us if you know grow grow grow and you really need to ask yourself what you want your life to look like because it does change when you've got one Studio verses Versus 50 versus a hundred and what you want your life to be what are your actual priorities and how much you're willing to give to the business whether you do have children at home or you want to travel other things because it's doesn't the work doesn't get any easier right as the company gets bigger. So don't be forced into growth because you know, there's you social pressures that are telling you if you're not growing there's something wrong like make that choice for yourself and decide what your priorities are love it. Thank you. Thanks, Rebecca. Thank you. That was a mom to find out more about her insanely amazing workout. You can follow solid core go take a class. I'm going to be going and I probably won't be able to walk the next day, which I'm very excited about. Thanks for listening.

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This is optimal living daily episode 14 27 the meaning of the season and bring back Christmas both by Ali Cornish of ever Thrive dot org and just a mall like the guy that reads to you every single day of the year including weekends and holidays help you live a more meaningful and positive life speaking of holidays. I have to post today for you talking about this season both from ever Thrive dot-org. So let's get right to them as we optimize your life. The meaning of the Season by Ali Cornish of ever thrive dot-org. The holidays forces to make time to be grateful to connect with family and to engage in conversation around a plentiful table. We cook together clean together travel together in close proximity. We sleep on the floor so that the older ones can take the beds we make room for the cats for the dog and we snuggle on couches with hot tea while watching the parade on TV. There is stillness in Simplicity and breathing the same air as our mothers and fathers and grandparents. There's a calm that accompanies the repetition of time. I said tradition. There's a warmth that memories of the past brain to our hearts and there's a Sweetness in the expectation of happy holidays to come varying in type in degree across all kinds of families our special holiday rituals, give us that deliciously satisfying sense of closeness presence and warmth that pave the way to the New Year. Sometimes all the truth and beauty of the holidays can be overlooked by everything leading up to it. Let's start with the first holiday of the Season Thanksgiving in recent years or perhaps it's been happening for ages. I've noticed that Thanksgiving has lost some of its closeness presence and warmth Thanksgiving is gradually become a time for Christmas decorations and shopping most if not all major department stores offer Black Friday deals for smaller businesses. There's something called small business Saturday and every retailer has their own version of Cyber Monday givingtuesday. And so many more shops even open on Thanksgiving Day for Black Friday specials coupled into the biggest shopping weekend of the year. The sanctity of this historic day has been broken. If you peek back into history, you'll discover that the date of the holiday was moved by Roosevelt to extend the Christmas shopping season by one week. How can we find meaning and importance in the beginning of the holiday season if Thanksgiving weekend is actually an economic requirement Thanksgiving has lost its way in the American calendar. It has been stomped over and downtrodden by lines of intense confrontational Shoppers waiting to get there early bird wristbands and by the latest J'adore clothing item impatient and intolerant we lash out at others if our expectations aren't met, please Google racist rant at Chicago Michaels to see what I mean, perhaps the season of thankfulness is only a cover-up for our economic dependence on compulsive materialism. We want to be thankful. But here we are circling laps through the self-indulgent lands of capitalism running an inner Marathon. We are too busy cultivating our outward thankfulness to realize what we are actually doing Snapping selfies during the holiday season are narcissism spills over and edited images of ourselves. Here's me being thankful or here's me with a 24 pound turkey I cooked and again, here's me with my family. And of course we must also include all the appropriate ornamental hashtags. So blessed thankful 2016 pass the gravy thankful Day Count Your Blessings turkey coma Etc when families get together to share in their lives wonderful results can occur Generations collide. And meaning is made new truths are told and memories are wrapped up in hugs laughter and pensive moments before the dawn of a new year magical moments come alive. And we suspend our disbelief without asking how or why and when that magic returns to us. We smiled the echo of our parents voices from many decades ago if you are quiet and listen closely, you just might hear the bells on Santa's sleigh wonderful results can only occur if we intentionally shed at least some of the superficiality of the holiday. We really should be tapping into the true, meaning of the season in order to authentically feel the Simplicity warms and presence of the holiday. We should ask ourselves number one. Why are we celebrating number two? What about this day or moment? Brings us joy number three, how can we grow even just a little bit from an interaction with a cousin more and or brother number four? Why are we going through Such Great Lengths to produce a perfectly seasoned succulent turkey. And number five moreover. How can we extend our Harvest of thankfulness year-round and two others in this world quote cultivate the habit of being grateful for every good thing that comes to you and give thanks continuously because all things have contributed to your advancement. You should include all things in your gratitude Ralph Waldo Emerson. I have another Post in just a sec. But first thank you to sicarra which has organic meal plan deliveries that boost your mind body and spirit you want to feel good about what you eat. But sometimes it's hard to prepare healthy meals that also taste good healthy meals don't have to be boring or Bland. It's a car is super food breakfast cookie comes with chrysanthemum cranberry jam. It was really really good. And this a car Burger I had was packed with Ze flavors really great stuff. I felt amazing less bloated. Entire week subscribers experience weight lost clear skin increased energy and less blowed after a short amount of time as the cars programs. 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Meaningful time with my family. How did I have a meaningful conversation or connection with anyone? Am I just a grinch or what? I really don't like feeling like this getting family together. The holidays shouldn't be a trouble or a burden the phrase worth the trouble doesn't really work here after all spending meaningful time with families shouldn't be trouble at all. Sometimes we try to hold onto past Traditions. So tightly that we miss other opportunities that would better suit us if there doesn't seem to be a point to the current. Oils and Christmas really is a burden after all. What's the point of the holidays? Anyway last year my husband Josh and I ended up staying at home in Fort Collins for the holidays. This wasn't the initial intention. We had planned on traveling to Michigan to see his family. Unfortunately a relative in Florida became ill and Christmas in Michigan was canceled. We were sad about this but in the end we didn't really mind his plane tickets from Denver to Detroit were incredibly pricey at that time of year and I being four months pregnant was Dealing with daily in and out nausea the thought of sitting through a potentially turbulent flight made me want to vomit. Anyway, instead. We spend Christmas at home. We made waffles. We watch Christmas movies snuggled our dog Chauncey and enjoyed the day on the couch relishing the slow sanctity of our little cocoon family. We thought about our baby the future and how far we'd come to get to our happy present. We called our families and shared holiday Joy with them all for dinner. We went to a local Thai restaurant where the service was. Exceptionally languid but since slow was the theme of the day, we really didn't mind at all. We really did have a simple heartfelt and natural Christmas. The only thing missing was the rest of our family Christmas should be simple heartfelt in natural this year. We are traveling to see my family in the Chicago area for the holiday and to everyone's excitement were bringing seven-month-old ever baby with us. He just started sitting up exercising all his vocal cords and executing slow 360s on the carpet is a great will Explore and casts a sweet soft smile at everyone he meets I can't wait to see Ever babysitting before the Christmas tree adorned with twinkly bubbly lights and ornaments from my childhood. I can't wait to watch him take it all in. I hope we can experience his many first slowly without rushing. I want to wrap our whole family up in a blanket and snuggle them and share our joy with grandparents aunts and uncles this year. I'm going to bring back Christmas. I'm going to bring back Christmas for my son and for sustainable. A future of holidays to come this year. I'm going to decline participating in holiday traditions that leave me feeling exhausted empty and overwhelmed this year. I'm going to stop living outdated expectations of the holidays this year. I'm going to support a simple mindful meaningful holiday. We're both connecting with loved ones and connecting with the spirit of Christmas is the focus. Will you join me in bringing the holidays back to the basics and whatever way that means to you? Let's bring back Christmas. You just listen to The Post titled the meaning of the season and bring back Christmas both by Ali Cornish of ever Thrive dot-org leave it there for today. Hope you're having a great week and I'll be back tomorrow for the Friday show where your optimal life awaits.

2 short posts from Ali Cornish of Everthrive where she shares her thoughts the meaning of the season and bringing back Christmas. Episode 1427: The Meaning of the Season AND Bring Back Christmas by Ali Cornish of Everthrive on Happy Holidays Ali Cornish created Everthrive as a response to the increasing pace, materialism, and detachment of today's society. Through words and photos, she brings awareness to the importance of living simply, healthfully, and authentically. Life can be better lived when we disconnect from distraction, slow down, and focus on what is truly important. In addition to managing and contributing to Everthrive, she also helps others create compelling content for websites, campaigns, and social media ventures through The Media Acorn. The original posts are located here: http://everthrive.org/blog/2016/11/21/the-meaning-of-the-season  &  http://everthrive.org/blog/2018/11/30/bring-back-christmas Please Rate & Review the Show! Facebook Group and Join the Ol' Family to get your Free Gifts!

His five ways to create more freedom in your life. Welcome to the Paw miners podcast the show that will help you to optimize your time income and lifestyle fast get more done with actionable easy to follow advice and learn how to live life on your terms and now introducing your host Paul miners. Hey everyone and welcome back to the pool - podcast episode number 162 as always. It really is a pleasure to have you listings today today. I really do. Appreciate your time and your attention and today I am sharing five ideas on how you can create more freedom in your life. If you want to read the blog post that goes along with this episode and get access to the show notes and links. Are you can find those at Paul -.com / 162. So getting into it, we all want to be happy, right the we all want to be happier. I think it's safe to say that you know being happy is a good thing and most people would love to find out how to be happier if they can be so the trouble With just pursuing happiness and just saying be happy is that it's so vague happiness is so vague happiness comes from so many places. For example, you can get feelings of fulfillment and happiness from how you choose to spend your time like the work that you do the projects you take on happiness can come from removing stress and conflict from our lives. I think that will create more happiness happiness comes from relationships and feelings of contentment. So if I just tell you to be happy, it's not very helpful in. I think you need to focus on one of these kind of pre req prereq can't say that probably pre-requisites. That's a tricky word prerequisites to happiness. You need to focus on one of these things instead of just trying to be happy focus on the kind of building blocks of Happiness. So I could write a blog post or record a podcast about any one of these things. But today I'm going to talk about how for a focus on freedom will result in more happiness in your life and what you can do to create more freedom because I've you Freedom as a Prerequisite why do I struggle with that word so much prerequisite to happiness and as I've slowly introduce more freedom into my life over the last five years of building my business. I can say with confidence that I feel happier now that I've built more freedom. So what can you do to create freedom in your life? Well, firstly number one. I think it's good to try and have freedom around how and where and when you do your work whether you work for yourself or an employer if you can create more Freedom around your working conditions. I think it leads to more productivity and of course happiness because we all have different working Styles some of us prefer the quiet conditions of a library others, enjoy the hustle and bustle of working in a coffee shop. I know that I'm a morning person but other people do their best work at night. So however, you like to work find ways to try and create more freedom around those working conditions. Not only will you feel better, but I think the quality of your work will be greater and higher as well. Number two is to create Freedom through autonomy. If you can become more autonomous this enables more freedom and happiness and by autonomy, I mean your ability to make decisions and do things for yourself without having to get approval from others. Obviously, if you work for yourself again, this is a bit easier, but even as a salaried employee, you can talk to your boss about how to create more autonomy so that you can do things without bothering them and I think they will almost certainly support that idea if that if you're bothering them lesson if they can if there's things that you can agree on Where you can feel empowered to make decisions, I think that's a good thing for everyone autonomy could also mean literally automation of repetitive tasks. This is why I use tools like zapier and I've got links to my zapier training videos if you want to learn more about zapier, but this is why I love tools like zapier. If you can use technology to automate parts of your work, it frees up massive amounts of time and energy for other more productive Pursuits, and and I might use of zapier just continues to grow. It's amazing how much it does for me now and little mundane tasks that I was normally doing myself or Outsourcing. I've actually fully automated now and it saves everyone time creates more freedom and frees up my time for more important things. Number three to how to create more freedom. I'm creating freedom from responsibility. Now, I may get some push back here. But if you can reduce the people and things you are responsible for you will create more freedom in your life. Now, obviously, this is easier said than done and plays. I am not suggesting or expecting you to leave your partner or disown your children, but if you can remove yourself as a bottleneck and have fewer people rely on you for answers and direction this enables more freedom for everyone. So going back to The example I gave before instead of being the person seeking more autonomy. Like I mentioned if you help people to be more autonomous so they don't have to bother you. That's a good thing for you as well as for them and recently on my podcast. I actually talked about why I don't want to scale my business and part of that reason is I don't want the responsibility of having to employ people and the sacrifice. I may have to make to my freedom not that there's anything wrong with employing anyone. It's just a decision. I've made freedom for me. I want I want the increased freedom. I love not having that responsibility. Number for freedom from caring what other people think one of the key takeaways that I from everything I've learned about reading about stoicism various books and things that I've read is to disregard things that you can't control especially the opinions of other people trying to control what other people think about you is a pretty futile effort. Maybe you got off to the wrong foot got off on the wrong foot with someone. If you can mend a relationship, maybe you get off on the wrong foot if you can mend that relationship great, but if you've made a good effort And relationship, but you're not having any success move on, you know, stop caring what other people think and remove this mental weight from your shoulders and that it will create more Freedom by not having to worry about the opinions of other people seeking approval from other people all the time. And then finally fifth way to create more freedom create freedom freedom from saying no, so as you can imagine this is one of my favorites having the freedom to say no to ideas to projects or people that you don't want to work with or projects. You don't want to take on will result in less stress and more happiness and I'm a big believer that a great way to be happy. It is to have less to worry about saying no, of course. It isn't easy. We're social animals and we love to say yes to keep everyone happy. And saying no can be pretty difficult if the person asking you to do something is your boss who happens to pay your salary but saying no or at the very least challenging a request from your boss allows you to focus more on the things that you want to do and do things do those things really well rather than getting distracted by all these ideas all these projects and doing all of them a little bit or not, you know kind of averagely do a couple of things really well focus more of your effort on less and you will create more freedom. So Freedom comes from saying No, this is kind of a repetitive theme probably something you've heard of me talk about a lot on the podcast already. So those are my top 5 ways for creating more freedom in your life so number I'll just recap them again. Number one freedom to work. When and where you want analyzing your work conditions. Number two was creating Freedom through autonomy. Number three was freedom from responsibility reducing responsibilities. Not before was creating Freedom by of also a freedom from caring what other people think and number five is freedom to say no. So how have you tried to create more freedom in your life? I'm Keen to hear your ideas head on over to the blog poor manners.com / 160 to leave me a comment or reply to my newsletter. If you're on my email list, this is something that really excites me is like, how can I free up my time free energy free up my mental bandwidth to to work on other things and I want to hear your ideas. So get in touch. All right, hopefully that was useful today. Thank you very much for listening. As always. I appreciate your time and your attention and I will see you next. I'm on the poor miners podcast. Thank you very much for listening to the Paul minors podcast two quick things before I go firstly if you enjoyed this episode or if you have any feedback, please leave me a review on iTunes. 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We all want to be happy, right? But the trouble with pursuing happiness is that it’s so vague. Happiness comes from so many things. For example, feeling fulfilled by how we spend our time, removing stress and conflict from our lives, from relationships and feelings of contentment. If I just tell you to “be happy” that’s not very helpful. Instead, you need to focus on one of these prerequisites to happiness. I could write a blog post about either one of these things. But today, I’m going to talk about how a focus on freedom will result in more happiness in your life. Show notes » paulminors.com/162 Download my productivity blueprint and learn the processes and tools I use to be more organised and achieve more in my business and home life. You'll also get my FREE 3-part video training series where I'll explain 1) 4 simple steps to supercharge your productivity 2) common mistakes to avoid 3) the 10 productivity tools I couldn't live without. Download here » paulminors.com/products/productivity-blueprint/ If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to the podcast. Doing this will help more people discover the show so they to can get more done and get more out of life.

This is the lightning junkies podcast. I'm your host Chaz crypto set on this episode of the podcast. We have Will Reeves from fold and lightning Network Pizza both fold and lightning Network Pizza are platforms that allow you to spend your Bitcoin as well as earn Bitcoins. And back for those purchases we end up discussing privacy Bitcoin the lightning Network Occupy Wall Street amongst other subjects. This is the second episode of the podcast and I thought I did a lot better. I was able to be a little bit more free form and not focus so much on the notes that I was looking at at didn't even write out questions beforehand. I just had General topics laid out. I didn't mention in the previous podcasts about The first second and third episodes are a part of series dealing with onboarding newbies to the lightning Network and the platforms that help to make that happen as mentioned on the previous podcast. I have no sponsors. The only time I get any money for this podcast as whenever someone chips in via my BTC pay server or something like tipping dot me this is done by Design. I don't like listening to podcasts that have a 10 minute long. Ang sponsorship corner and I hope to keep it that way not to say that it's impossible for me to take a sponsor in the future, but they would have to be of the highest possible caliber and I they would have to accept the fact that I'm not going to sugarcoat how I talk about them. If you get anything out of this podcast, please consider chipping in some Bitcoin via the lightning Network on chain or even chip in some dirty Fiat. You can do this via the links in the show notes. Without further Ado here is the second episode of the lightning junkies podcast. How are you doing today? Will I'm doing great Chaz and I'm happy to be here fantastic before we jump into the kind of Bitcoin portion. You know, what's your general background? I've been a kind of founder and entrepreneur building kind of products and in primarily in payments and peer-to-peer Tech space for the last 10 years or so that has mainly we been on the kind of consumer side of things spend some time building the Google Store building peer-to-peer Marketplace has new payment platforms for merchants to use and all of that really is kind of now in service of where I find myself today fantastic. Was there anything and that experience that kind of really stood out as something that you really enjoyed that you really kind of set you up for where you are now? Yeah. I mean I like working on Complex problems with well at the same time working on kind of newer technologies that can promise answers to those those problems and so my experience working in payments and kind of point of sale retail environments, you know, taught me quite a bit about the rapid change in in payments, but also the really clear limitations that we currently face with kind of everyday consumer. our consumer payments and so really it leaves a lot to be desired and and I think a lot of what we're doing at fold is kind of filling in those gaps kind of creating kind of from the ground up a new way to Envision kind of kind of everyday retail and everyday Commerce and then on the peer-to-peer side, you know built things like peer to peer marketplaces where people exchange meet and exchange goods and which involves a lot of issues around Building trust as well as creating kind of experiences that on board people through a full process that may involve a lot of money or valuable goods and you know use technology to make sure that the outcome is enjoyable and kind of solves real needs for them. Got it. How would you say that Bitcoin fit into all that? Was it a kind of natural progression? How'd you get into Bitcoin? Basically, see, how do I get into pixel Bitcoin? I Ali kind of look back I had three initial encounters with Bitcoin before I ever kind of really dedicated myself to you know, working on a full-time, but even you know really diving deep in the rabbit hole first experience was you know, I grew up in Northern California in Wine Country. My first experience of Bitcoin was watching a group of people teaching migrant Farm Workers how to use Bitcoin for as an alternative for remittances. This is back in 2012 or so second encounter with Bitcoin was in Argentina where I was living and that coincided with one of the their defaults their economy defaults and I made some friends and some security and software Engineers some of whom were into Bitcoin and actually used it very early on as a safe-haven asset to kind of get around the devaluation that was affecting the rest of the the country and so it was pretty clear and Powerful example of the one aspect of what Bitcoin can bring to an economy. And the last one was during Occupy Wall Street in Oakland where we took in donations with Bitcoin paid out vendors and Bitcoin and managed kind of volunteers and this way so another one showing the you know, the Unstoppable payments thesis. And so I think all three of those examples kind of come together show slightly different Spective on what Bitcoin can do and be for different people in different circumstances and really those those founding examples for me. I've kind of driven, you know, what we do at fault and that's really building infrastructure that make realizing Bitcoin as a superior payments and savings technology and making that available and accessible to the the rest of the world. Okay, that makes a lot of sense talking about Occupy Wall Street. They're a little bit. You know, what do you kind of see? Bitcoin as being a kind of currency of rebellion or you know, would you kind of see it may be kind of end up being something a little bit less rebellious over time. What's your take on that? I think to to imagine the you know, the this this work this hyper Bitcoin ization this this the a kind of Bitcoin future. I think it necessitates having both of those realities coexist. I do think that It at the fundamental basis of it if we keep Bitcoin as we as we envision it today, it would accommodate both institutional use cases of Bitcoin as a sound auditable infrastructure in which to base our kind of financial technology and economy on I think it will absolutely happen. But I also think just the very nature of it as long as we can push back on kind of total kyc and push back on. On D and optimization of Bitcoin units users. I think it will also always be a tool of rebellion Liberation. You know, what have you so I think if this all works out and the way that I am envisioning both use cases will be very comfortably supported. Do you see the kind of kyc future cannot, you know taking over or do you see it as being kind of more of a balance like you said because you know, we've seen you know shape-shift local. Coins, you know go kyc. Do you see that kind of continuing? Yeah, so and the short-term I absolutely do. I think we're going to see I think two areas are going to be an increase in kyc needs as well as that. It's going to be related to kind of increasing regulatory scrutiny that's going to bring on, you know new needs for licenses and compliance. I definitely see that as something that's going to happen the short term but over the long term. I see generally kyc becoming more of a liability for private companies then something that keeps their customers of themselves safe and by that, I mean as we increasingly connect collect and centralize some of the most essential and key pieces of private and personal data across these kind of centralized private organizations that increasingly puts all in a more vulnerable state and I can see a future where the benefits of kyc are become outweighed by the negative aspects of holding that data being responsible for that data. And I think that will necessitate some major changes that may kind of push back against the tide of you know in the short term, you know increasing needs for kyc. I'm I really believe that where we're going with data and general. Is that you know Jeremy Welch from Casa put out this great piece that you know data is not no longer the new oil. It's the new kind of sludge if you will. So I think more and more organizations are going to feel the the responsibility and the weight of holding such powerful and personal data for so many users. Definitely. I think I would agree with that. I want to move on to some lightning questions so I kind of asked Haddock, how you got into Bitcoin. When did you first start using lightning yourself? Yeah. I mean we were so at fold, you know, we have our primary product and primary kind of use cases payments. We very quickly realized that on chain layer one payments was not going to be the way to bring, you know, Bitcoin payments to the rest of the world just wasn't scalable is too expensive and there's two common too complicated and so we knew very early on that. At a layer to solution would be required. We did not go down the big block path. We felt the kind of core was moving in the right direction on securing the base chain and that payments and other applications would be realized on layer 2 Solutions. And so we are pretty bullish on Lightning early on and we were experimenting you know as pretty much as early as it came online and you know, we are making small lightning payments. Pretty early on with any of the kind of early laps or or lightning enabled apps and it really took us about a kind of you know, six months of tinkering before we actually started to put anything in real production in to fold and lightning Pizza. All right. So talking about fold. How did you start at fold? I know fold is an older company almost, you know, they've made a more of a recent comeback. How did you start up fold fold was initially founded by Matt LeBlanc go back in 2014 and Matt and I had actually worked together on a few other projects outside of the crypto world. And so we knew we wanted to work together. Matt had been working on unfold but as I told you the kind of problems that we saw we saw some great volume coming through but then the fee Market started to come, you know, $50 fees on $5 coffees don't quite make sense. And so Matt and I decided to come together once we All that the lightning Solutions were coming online where viable we had done some experimentation. And so I officially came to take over fold about a year and a half ago to kind of reorient the company to kind of start directly tackling lightning but also broadening the kind of vision of what we wanted to do with full Beyond simply retail payments. Okay, where did lightning Network pizza come from so we knew we wanted to get get into the center of the lightning community and the in pretty much in the middle of the action. And so we've been experimenting with lightning making payments or cells running our own notes trying to break as much as we could on our end. And once we felt like we had had enough information we knew we wanted to launch an experiment that kind of would do a couple things. Number one. It would have far reach and reach a lot of people provide a real use case that people would make Will actually want to use lightning and have a reason to adopt lightning or a lightning wallet. And then thirdly we wanted it to be a real world kind of use case something that was not just a you know, something digital to unlock but the inner faced with multiple different organizations or parties. And so this we quickly landed on Lightning Pizza partly because we knew the power of the Bitcoin and pizza meme and we thought it was really appropriate to revive that. with the kind of growth of lightning network and to kind of be a good symbol of where lightning is and so we developed lightning Pizza basically plugging into the dominoes POS system creating our own ordering interface and allowing people to by Domino's delivery or carry out with a kind of 5, you know, sometimes 10% discount depending on the day and we wanted to launch that to get as much activity as possible to pretty much accelerate our Learning's on how the lighting network works and how to work with it best. Do you think that the discount was a important piece to the entire thing? So I think the discount was important. However, I think you'll see we don't really promote the discount as the pride as a primary thing on Lightning Pizza you can you can see it has a little banner up top, but pretty much it's not you know the in your face, you know, this is the reason to use lightning pizza. That's partly because we wanted to see What the utmost organic uptake would be with, you know, lightning users. Just you know, how many people are out there looking to spend and so while I think it definitely plays a piece and it definitely helps people justify even spending their SATs. I don't think it is. It is only it. I think it's a really strong value proposition. The second value proposition is that we've noticed Domino's is a publicly traded company. So we also get to see average order value is of dominoes frequencies of ordering from users. And things like that and almost all of those metrics lightning Pizza excels Beyond them and part of that is because we believe that once you're set up with a lightning wallet the actual transaction and check out itself is extremely simple compared to even a credit card transaction on Domino's own website. It's much faster. It's simpler. It's safer and on the top you do get a good, you know a good discount to justify the spend, but we Didn't want to give too much of a discount just enough to kind of lower the barrier to entry in terms of spending your Bitcoin but more we wanted to test can lightning create a better retail or checkout payment method then what's currently available and I think we have really great reason to believe that while it's early. It definitely can be okay my personal little essay that I've been writing on my blog here has been around the idea of trying to LeapFrog newbies directly into Lightning, you know jumping over the base chain of Bitcoin and getting them straight into lightning. Do you think there's anything to that or do you think it makes more sense to get people acclimatized to bitcoin first and then get them into lightning later. I am absolutely in agreement with you. I think it's really interesting to see some of the new white lightning wallets out there like lightning Labs own wallet Breeze wallet that actually do just that it completely kind of subverts the and so you basically it feels like you're going being on board and directly into lightning as opposed to having a base chain on chain wallet and then moving into lightning and I think this is very much the way to go both in terms of fees in terms of speed and usability for users. It's kind of closer to what they would expect and so we at fold are looking for ways to cleverly do this and I think you see how we offer Kickbacks or rewards on on purchases through fold and soon-to-be through lightning Pizza that Bitcoin cashback is going to be withdrawn directly into a lightning Channel ready for you to use to essentially on board people directly into lightning. So I think absolutely agree with you on that II really like the the Kickbacks program myself. We'll come back to that here in a moment. I wanted to ask first, you know about light. meaning have you experienced any issues or anything that kind of you know, held you back, you know any like errors and you know big upsets that took a long time to figure out, you know, a lot of it has been a learning experience and the thing that makes you know some some of this could be difficult, but I think lightning has one of the most the most robust and tight-knit communities across the crypto ecosystem and that makes Us as fold our job much easier because we are directly connected with nearly all of the major lightning Services operating on Lightning building on lightning and that means information gets passed around very quickly. We get to see issues before they arise we get to have warning on things and with that layer of community. We feel much more comfortable developing and developing faster. so, you know, I think it's it was good this last week you saw that vulnerability that came out in the 7.0 version of of lightning and a couple implementations and I think while it's concerning, I think it's pretty incredible that that it's been that this rare after this long and I think it's a good reminder that you know, we are not out of the kind of Reckless phase of lightning, but we're pretty damn close and so, you know, We have definitely experienced, you know headaches with Channel management and balancing and the user experience of the whole thing. But those I'm confident that this community is going to solve very quickly and even the larger vulnerabilities, you know, it seemed to be work out. Okay for everyone at least for this go-round. Okay. I just wanted to maybe give a bit more detail on fold itself. What? Is fold and what is you know the prime use case for it here? Just so you're everyone listening has an idea fold aims to make Bitcoin more accessible and rewarding for mainstream consumers and what that means is that we bring the fundamental benefits of Bitcoin as both a Payments Technology and a savings technology to the Forefront and allow people to experience it in their everyday lives. And so what does that mean? So on the payment side we Unfold lightning payments at retailers and soon-to-be credit and debit card payments that retailers that essentially allow you to keep all your payments private. So you never give up any of your transaction details payment information or any other or any other kind of your browsing data, you keep all of that safe and private when you pay through full and a lot of that is enabled through lightning transactions. And so we think that Bitcoin is As a payment method offers a level of privacy speed and finality that is going to be very rewarding for users down in the long term. It's we're building kind of infrastructure to support that as an everyday retail purchases. I was just going to go into the Privacy portion a little bit more here. Do you think that there is a big advantage to lightning over base the base chain of Bitcoin as far as payments go. Absolutely. I think lightning right now is our best chance and Technology for realizing the true benefits of Bitcoin as a payment as a payment method for kind of everyday transactions and those benefits will quickly be realized by both consumers and retailers. So on the consumer side the speed of transactions the cost of the transactions as well as the Privacy preserving nature of spending is provides an incredible experience when you match that against, you know, even paying with a credit card, you know, when you go through a lightning transaction, it's faster and it is safer than paying with your credit card on almost any e-commerce site and fold enables you to do that on the merchant side lightning provides finality in ways that no other payment method does today the possibility of a merchant finalizing daily payments or payments on an hourly basis opens up entirely new use cases and paradigms for for merchants. Smaller and midsize merchants and that will allow Merchants to have some efficiencies to then pay back to consumers in terms of incentives and rewards and so we're very bullish on the fact of Bitcoin being a superior payment method in the long run but it is also extremely related to why we also work on bitcoin as a savings technology and how we get Bitcoin into the hands of his most as many people as possible as fast as possible. Okay, you mentioned before about the kickback. Graham you want to tell me a little more about that? Yeah, so fold works with Merchants by directly integrating with their prepaid access programs. So this is essentially store credit at retailers or gift cards at retailers. There's a few different names for prepaid access programs depending on where you are and so fold accepts payment and then and then produces a a code in which you use at that Merchants essentially. It's like a burner code or a Burner payment that you use one time and because we go through prepaid programs Merchants have lower processing fees and they have reduced charge backs and we're bringing them new customers. And so our Retail Partners negotiate with us a discount that then we pass on to the to our users as rewards via our Kickbacks program. So on average our Merchants give back around 5% However, the it can go up to 20% Which you see with Burger King. I believe in a couple other brands that you'll see today. And those are all paid out instantly in the form of Bitcoin. I really like that Kickbacks program something that I wanted to ask related to that is there's several other services in the space that are doing something similar like Casa has their SATs back program Etc. Do you think that is going to be increasingly more popular but thing to do to ought to on People by giving them Bitcoin for purchases. They might ordinarily make I think it is an absolutely necessary part and effective strategy for growing the network and growing users how I look at rewards is that it will be a key part of every crypto company's strategy as well as incumbent or traditional company strategy to get into crypto and so my core belief is that and rewards are incredibly important but you need to be building value Beyond rewards because at the end of the day, you know, there are incumbents that offer rewards for purchasing at retailers and they can switch on bitcoin payments, you know with pretty much with the flip of a switch and so it's our core belief that fold that rewards are a an incredible incentive to lower the barrier of Entry or kind of cost calculation for someone to use your service and it's Really necessary to get a large group of people to do that. However, you need to also be building infrastructure, whether through payments or savings products to then take advantage of those incentives to create a true kind of business around it. And so for us we think it will be ubiquitous rewards and that's a great thing because that means more people have Bitcoin but in terms of from a business perspective we I feel it's the rewards are just the tip of the iceberg. And really the most value is going to be found in the kind of larger payment stack that we're building out. Okay a question that I have kind of had been having a hard time dealing with on my end is the idea of tax implications for spending Bitcoin. Do you have any particular opinion on that or you know what people should be doing or anything like that? Yeah. So to be honest it coins Quinn Center has a bill out on I believe it's called the de minimis clause which allows any transaction under 500 or $600 to go untaxed and treated similarly as many other assets are and frankly that would be in a game changer for the Bitcoin payments. Currently. The tax situation is definitely one of the largest barriers to entry and usage that we see currently and if solved would have huge consequences. Sequences for both payment Bitcoin payments and I think Bitcoin overall now there are a few things that we can do in the short term that we are helping users with is that we are partnering with tax companies to help you with the tax and taxing and Reporting issues help you better report that so it takes a lot less time and I think you'll realize now is that, you know, when I first was doing tax reporting on bitcoin payments, you know years ago that would take several hours. Now it you know could take an hour or two maximum and so we are improving but it's still by no means something that we should expect, you know mainstream consumers to do by any means and so really right now I think we need to do work on both sides of this number one is advocating for the change of classification and taxation of Bitcoin as an asset class, which is being done by a lot of great great companies. I think more people need to get involved with that. I would suggest everyone reach out to coin Center on how they can help out with that process or even just donate to them. The second is creating tools and services right now that make it easier and lessen the burden on people in the here and now and that is both faster ways to have Fiat to current to bitcoin conversion so that people can purchase Bitcoin on the spot or different payments and purchases as well as helping with the reporting aspect. I think both of those Need to be worked on to to help with the taxation issue as regards to payments. Yeah, I've definitely seen people on Twitter that were very hesitant to actually make payments either with Bitcoin or was lightning just because of the tax, you know burden or implications. Do you think the overall pros of you know, making payments with Bitcoin or lightning, you know discounts or what? Have you kind of outweigh those potential burdens, you know big Coin is a global technology and with almost every answer I have with it. It's it depends on your situation where you are, you know for people in many different countries, you know, Bitcoin is not taxed like it is here in the United States. And so it very much does make sense for them to use it as a Payments Technology, especially when paired with the great lightning speed and cost with great user experience and those case I think it absolutely makes sense. Now when you're talking about in the United States, one of the important things about our Kickbacks program is to give you an incentive to to actually to take on some of the tax work because you're getting over all you're getting more Kickbacks and you would pretty much from any other source possible. And so for some I believe it does make sense and others. We are working on solutions for you. So that it does it's kind of our our Our primary goal. Okay, so you can I mention before that you were looking into or you know, possibly just about to launch debit and credit cards on fold now to like a Bitcoin or that sounds like we're going backwards here. You know, what's what's your idea behind that? So I think everyone knows fold as a, you know, kind of Hardcore Bitcoin or products, you know, we've only supported Bitcoin ever. We've been one of the earliest services on Both in of Unchained payments as well as Lightning payments and we have developed kind of a lot of our value proposition our vision. Our principles are directly from the Bitcoin Community, but we know and I think all bitcoiners know is that in order to grow this system. We need to increase adoption and that's going to either be adoption through more volume running through the system or more users running through the system and ideally it's Both of them. And so we see that lowering the barrier to entry into Bitcoin having it not be simply dominated by kyc walled, speculative use cases fold season very clear opportunity to allow any person in the US and very soon internationally to sink their credit card and debit card and earn Bitcoin whether their shopping online offline in app wherever they are. Fold will start accumulating Bitcoin on their behalf. And as people start to accumulate that Bitcoin and see the value of it, they're able to use it on a future purchase with fold or they can simply accumulate and hold it and with us we encourage people to spend it by offering even more percent Back Rewards if you choose to then spend Bitcoin and so our whole thing is creating a funnel that reaches The most uneducated non, you know pre coiner that you can imagine giving them a easy way to on board into the space and then have our product slowly be able to incentivize them to come deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole. Okay. Got it. I just want to change things up here slightly if I understand it fold is owned by a company called thesis is this right so fold is actively being at fold was incubated with in thesis, which is a venture Production Studio that works on various kind of prototype protocols and products related to kind of Bitcoin and kind of generally blockchain technology fold was incubated with in thesis. However, will soon be announcing our spin out from thesis as a kind of a separate entity with a whole new set of partners that will be joining us for our kind of next upcoming Milestones interesting. You know, I just Ask about thesis really fast here one one other product that I saw that they're working on over. There is something called TBT see do you have any opinion about that kind of being Loosely connected or very connected to the thesis? Yeah, absolutely. So the other one of the other verticals at thesis is keep keep Network and they have developed something called TBT see which this is essentially a allowing interoperability between ethereum and Bitcoin block chains to essentially give Bitcoin the defy qualities that you may find with ethereum projects and to give aetherium the liquidity that is associated with Bitcoin projects. And so I think overall it is an intern very interesting project and I'm very excited to see where this takes interoperability in general. I think it overall It has some great implicit implications for both communities and there are reasons for both camps to be very really excited about this and I also can't imagine a better team than then keep and Suma working on this project both projects with some, you know, hardcore bitcoiners that also understand how kind of defy works and kind of vision there. So I'm very interested to see how they're going to bring this together. All right, great fine. Finally, I just kind of wanted to go more broad here and just go to a you know, where do you see Bitcoin kind of ending up in the next, you know, maybe decade do we do we turn it more into a digital gold thing or you know as fold and you know that whole cut, you know, the company kind of pushes more towards payments. Do you think will actually be doing more payments will be a will that be all be on bitcoin. Will they all be on Lightning? Well, they'll be a mix, you know, will the fees be crazy excetera. You know, how do you see things running out? Man nearly ever nearly every prediction like this is is always interesting to make however, I think we're going to get both. I think the debates between Bitcoin being a a kind of store of value will come to fruition as we see the kind of macro Market start to position Bitcoin as more and more of a an attractive asset and as more and more countries start to take dances on it. It's going to it's going to really do a lot for Bitcoin as a kind of international savings and kind of Safe Haven asset that I think will continue to develop especially in these zero two Sub Zero interest times. I am less concerned about that piece because I think right now even where Bitcoin is at and its technology is pretty Advanced and well suited to fit that very use case right now, and I think Will only continue to grow stronger. I think the parts that Bitcoin in the community are working on now and we're why you see so much energy around lightning network is because that is the piece of the technology that is that has not been been has not matched up to the user experience and capabilities that we needed to become to be a medium of exchange or payment method. And so I think as Lightning continues to mature it is going to take more and more of the overall. Movement of Bitcoin payments less will happen on chain more will happen off chain on lightning lightning. We are going to see it taken up more and more as a payment method around the world. We're already seeing countries change their laws around taxation of Bitcoin payments, and I don't expect all countries to come out favorably in this but I expect enough to where there will always be enough activity there. I think lightning will be broadened to include stable. And we'll have interoperability between the stable coins and and Bitcoin which I think provides some interesting use cases there. But overall I am very much in a vision that Bitcoin in the decade will be a superior payments and savings technology for a large amount of a large subset of people in the world and that subset may always change depending on conditions in their country or their region or their personal lives, but I think Bitcoin is Is big enough and brought enough to fit the fit those use cases for a lot of people, what would you say the most exciting thing is for you with Bitcoin or lightning for me right. Now. The most exciting thing is getting as many people Bitcoin as possible in as short of time as possible. I'd say my own journey into Bitcoin and seeing the the community and the potential that the this technology. Promises I think will only benefit from more and more people holding it and using it. And so for me it is the most exciting thing is in finding ways to introduce it to the most amount of people in the least amount of time. That's pretty much what I spend my most time thinking about. Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and start wrapping up the podcast here. But before we go, do you want to let all the listeners know, you know how they can find, you know, you fold a little the lightning Network pizza and all that. Absolutely we got you know, we've got a lot of things here. Well, you can find me on Twitter @ WL R vs. And you can find fold at fold underscore app or fold app.com and there you'll be able to I pay for everyday things over the lightning Network and earn up to 20% back in Bitcoin and will soon be dropping some pretty incredible. Releases this month. So stay tuned there and on Lightning Pizza. You can find us at Ln underscore Pizza on Twitter or Ln dot Pizza online and make sure to get that five percent discount. Otherwise, you know hit us up and we'll help you get on board it into lightning answer any questions about lightning pizza and for all kind of, you know newbies or people who want to share with newbies. We actually just release something today called my First Bitcoin Pizza.com. It's essentially it's a kind of a primer step by step on how to onboard someone who's a pre coiner. Get them Bitcoin get them into a Bitcoin wallet get them into a lightning wallet, and then finally get them their first lightning pizza. So my first Bitcoin Pizza.com everyone should check out amazing. I'm going to check that out as soon as we're done here. Well, I really appreciate you joining me on the lightning junkies podcast, you know, have a good rest of your day. Thanks. Jess you too there. You have it. That was the second episode of the lightning junkies podcast. What did you think? Hopefully you'll learn something. 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Second episode of the Lightning Junkies Podcast  In this episode, I interview Will Reeves from Fold/LN Pizza. Fold and LN Pizza are a way to spend your Bitcoin at various merchants as well as earn Bitcoin back for purchases. They allow you to use Bitcoin on-chain or off-chain with the Lightning Network. LN Pizza *only* accepts Lightning Network payments. Fold has a feature where you can earn up to 20% back as Bitcoin at various merchants. In this episode we explore: Will's Background Will's First few experiences with Bitcoin Is Bitcoin rebellion coin or is it going to get tamed? Lightning Network Privacy/KYC Fold/LN Pizza and Kickbacks Bitcoin in the Future Will's Twitter: https://twitter.com/wlrvs   Fold's Twitter: https://twitter.com/fold_app Fold's Website: https://foldapp.com Lightning Pizza's Twitter: https://twitter.com/LN_Pizza Lightning Pizza Website: https://ln.pizza/ My First Bitcoin Pizza: http://myfirstbitcoinpizza.com Sponsor the podcast with Bitcoin or Lightning Network: http://crowdfund.lightningjunkies.net Tip me on Tippin.me: https://tippin.me/@LNJunkies Tip me on Bottle.li: https://Pay.Bottle.li  If you wish to contribute in fiat, you can use the Anchor.fm subscription feature.

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My plan is to start doing a weekly or excuse me bi-weekly every two weeks Roundup of interesting archaeological and historical discoveries. Keep you updated on interesting news related to the world of archaeology. These interlude episodes are going to be shorter than normal episodes and the hopefully You something to supplement the more in-depth episodes, which I'll be releasing every month or about every six weeks to start out for the first installment in our interlude series. I thought given the time of year that it would be appropriate to start off by sharing a short list of some of the best finds from the last decade. So without further Ado. This is my top five. best finds of the decade in chronological order So number five from 2010. We had a new hinge discovered near Stonehenge. So there was an ancient henge site. It was only about a few thousand feet from the famous Stonehedge site as discovered by researchers who were conducting a survey of the land around the famous monument. It's believed that 4,000 year old site. This new site is about Four thousand plus years old. It's believed to be contemporary with the building of Stonehenge. So right around the same exact time, but it was believed to be construction of constructed of Timber. So obviously the timber is no longer there but the researchers were able to use this survey technology this ground-penetrating radar and I believe that they use magnetometry. Yeah. So they were able to kind of see where the post holes used to sit and they could see that they were situated in a circle and the specific way the kind of made it obvious that there was a they believe that there that there was a hinge there. It's actually interestingly. It's oriented in the exact same direction as its more famous cousin. One of the archaeologists for Stonehenge. Dr. Amanda Chadbourne. She said quote this new monument is part of a growing body of evidence which shows how important the summer and winter solstices were to the ancient peoples who built Stonehenge. So researchers used a combination, like I said researchers used a combination of ground penetrating radar Imaging and magnetometry, and this is a technique that map's the change. Hundreds of magnetism in the soil which can help to build a picture. What's underneath? And this is all part of huge joint effort called the Stonehenge hidden Landscapes project from the University of Birmingham in the UK, Birmingham. I should say it's not an Alabama quote the project aims to map 14 square kilometers of the Stonehenge landscape using the latest geophysical Imaging techniques to recreate visually the iconic prehistoric. Newman and its surroundings and transform how we understand this technique this unique landscape and its monuments and quote. So it's pretty cool. And actually I think this is like a three-year project that they're doing and they found this henge or obviously, it's alright, this is 2010. So the project is already over but this was a three-year project and they found this new hinge in I think the first two weeks of the project, so it's pretty cool. Sure, you know sure if you were to go and and look you'd see that they probably found some other very interesting things in those surveys. Okay number four from 2012. There's a brand-new Honduran civilization discovered. So it was the Honduran in the Hunter and jungle researchers used lidar detection technology to fly over and penetrate the canopy. And what they were looking for was the fabled White City, which is also referred to as the city of the monkey god and legends. This is a city that That locals had spoken about that archaeologists and historians who had visited the region in the past had documented references to but no one had ever actually been able to find it or ever seen it. So this is from the Nat Geo article quote archaeologists surveyed and mapped extensive plazas Earthworks. Ends in an Earthen pyramid belonging to a culture that thrived a thousand years ago and then vanished so it's pretty amazing what they were able to see with this lidar technology. They were able to kind of see that there was this kind of vast network of you know different features that were hidden by the jungle that really made it clear that there wasn't just a city there if there was an entire civilization. And you know in contrast to the popularity of the Maya Who be the neighbors of the civilization. There's not even a name for these peoples really didn't even understand that they existed until until this, you know, this first exploration in 2012 using lidar research is actually went back in 2015 to kind of Follow up on what they had found with the initial lidar scanning and that's kind of, you know, when they came across they were able to verify a lot of these features that they had seen in the lidar. So just survey it initially 2012 the researchers Enlisted the help of the center for Airborne laser mapping at the University of Houston. They used a small. Airplane the Cessna skymaster which carried $1,000,000 lidar scanner Flew Over the Valley probe the jungle canopy with a laser. So for those of you that don't know why it R is able to map the ground even through dense rainforests uses lasers similar to regular radar but uses lasers obviously helps to delineate any archaeological features. That might be present. So they process these images and they just saw features that stretched over a mile of terrain. And then as I said, they went back with an expedition and that was able to confirm on the ground all the features that they saw in the lidar images along with a lot more and like I said, it was an ancient city, but the archaeologist They didn't believe there was an existence of a single lost city as the Legends described, but they really looks off found that there was several Lost Cities taken together representing an entire Lost Civilization, which is pretty incredible to be honest. Like if you really think about it, it's 2012 and In 2012 are still finding out that there were entire civilizations of people who existed on this Earth before us who we had no idea ever existed. number 3 on 2013 This is kind of a 2012/2013 story Richard the Third King Richard the third his remains were confirmed in 2013. So Richard the third was the last of the plantagenet Kings. He was the last English king to die in battle. Actually, he fell to Henry Tudor's forces near town called Market Bosworth and 1485 after the battle. His body was taken to Leicester where it was buried without much ceremony as original tomb was believed to have been removed during the English Reformation in the 16th century. And a lot of people actually thought that his body was thrown into the river. But in 2012 the Richard the third Society commission and archaeological excavation the old site of greyfriars Priory Church during which the skeleton was uncovered under the parking lot. Actually. If you haven't heard this story or looked into this story much. I would highly encourage you to I'm only doing you know an overview of the stories here, but this this story is actually pretty crazy the hole just the whole process of finding it in the clues that they followed in the fact that they actually found it. It's all it's pretty it's pretty amazing and it wasn't until 2013 that the DNA evidence was actually used as the final piece of evidence which length the bones to Richard the third. They also used radiocarbon dating and contemporary reports of his appearance, which they matched against features that they cleaned from the skeleton. And they actually the DNA evidence. It's very interesting. So they took DNA obviously they were able to extract some DNA from the skeleton and they compared that to mitochondrial DNA of two descendants of Richard III's oldest Sister Anne of York who were obviously still alive in 2012 and 2013 and in that way they were able to Really put that final nail in the coffin. I guess as a bad expression to using this and this instance, but either way it's pretty amazing. And like I said, if you if you have the chance, I would strongly encourage you to look more into the entire story because it's pretty incredible. Number 2 from 2017 the earliest hydraulic Enterprise in China 50 100 years ago. So this is from my source on this article is all from penis publication on the National Academy of Sciences talks about the Les anges you culture of the Yangtze Delta and they were dated from around 3,000 to 2300 BC unlike other cultures in the area. They were peoples who lived by the monsoonal seasons and presumably this was one of the reasons for the war. Engineering that was discovered but religious and political political reasons may have also played a part in in the projects as far as creating labor and forced labor and a lot of there's it's the paper goes into a lot. I'm trying I'm trying to keep it short and simple here. It's really interesting though. So actually there were few Farmers a couple local farmers who were who are out digging and what they thought they were digging on a small hill it actually they uncovered a piece of one of the high dams of this ancient hydraulic water system and from that they were able to uncover more of the high dams and then discovered the low dams and then eventually the levees and Well of the different systems. And so this is from one of the researchers on the project. I'm sorry. This is just from the this is from the Academic journal the scientific journal written after the excavation quote the recently excavated. Liang's you hydraulic system in the Yangtze Delta has pushed back the date of formalized water Engineering in China to approximately 50 100 years ago so much earlier than they previously thought that any sort of project of this scale was going on in that area of the world, you know, and not even just that Area it represents one of the largest hydraulic landscape engineering projects in all of the ancient world including it has dams levees canals reservoirs a lot of other features and in the paper says that they estimated it took about three thousand people around eight years to move the nearly 2.9 Million cubic meters of Earth and I look that up just out of curiosity to do a conversion. Asian and you know, obviously there's different variables there's moisture in the soil and things that can affect its weight. But just as a general marker you can think of 2.9 Million cubic meters of Earth in terms of pounds weighing about three and a half trillion pounds. That's about how much Earth at light that's like the minimum from what I looked up, you know, that's a minimum of what they Probably need to move over the course of this eight year period in order to build this so it's pretty incredible and really why I find this the one why this one stood out to me and one of the questions that the researchers had even after all of this excavation is how such a system originated and developed in a largely isolated Realm of the ancient world. Not as part of a greater Empire or some equivalent. Rise The Landings you seem to seem to have been you know very much on their own and in their own small area, but they were able to build this really Monumental engineering project, which is really incredible. To think about 3,000 or 5,000 years ago and they were building large scale multi-year. Water engineering projects. It's pretty incredible. So number one from 2019. There's a 5000 year old city discovered in Israel. So the archaeological site of n is sewer as in the Wadi era Valley North of Tel Aviv and archaeologists discovered an ancient city there that was home to as many as 6,000 people. Yeah, and it's dated to our five five thousand years ago surrounded by a fortification wall. They were able to find intricate intricate residential and public areas streets and alleys. Which you know which points to relatively organized society and this is a quote from there was a statement released by The excavation directors, which I'll share a few different statements from the directors apologize if I mess up any of these pronunciations, the directors were ete lad Yitzhak pause and Dina Shalem. So this is a quote from them quote such a city could not develop without having behind it a guiding hand and an administrative mechanism. It's impressive planning the tools brought to Israel from Egypt found at the site and it's seal impressions of proof of this and quote. So, yeah also found at the site where millions of artifacts and these provided even more evidence for the complex nature of the society that was living there. They found Pottery fragments. Flint tools Basalt Stone vessels in the temples Courtyard, they found a huge Stone basement a huge Stone Basin which held liquids which the from the statement they said it was likely used for religious rituals another quote from the directors quote. This is a huge City megalopolis and relation to the early Bronze Age where thousands of inhabitants who made their living from agriculture lived and traded with Current regions and even with different cultures and Kingdoms in the area and quote. So it's pretty amazing. You know, we're still even in 2019 still kind of discovering these these sites where you know in ancient times and in areas where we thought that hunter-gatherers and only small villages had cropped up, you know, we're finding cities of thousands of people with intricate networks of Streets and public areas and artifacts that tell of extensive trade so, you know, there's always it's just always amazing the things that are out there to be found and one of the you know, it's kind of one of the offhand comments that was mentioned in the article, but something that I thought was really cool and it said that below some of the houses in the city the archaeologists also uncovered evidence of Neiman older City. Which dated back around 7,000 years ago to the early coverage. So again all so many things to be discovered and you know, there's obviously a lot of things I wasn't able to include but I would love to see what your list looks like. So if you head to the Instagram at human history pod find the post for this episode leave a comment with your top five archaeological finds of the decade next week. I'll be back with the first weekly Roundup. So make sure to subscribe on whatever platform you're listening to all so don't hesitate to share this podcast with anyone interested in archaeology or history. The last thing I am in the process of working on a new podcast that will explore the intersection between science and technology and archaeology. I'll be doing episodes on the Technique used by modern archaeologists from lidar to strategic Rafi to electron microscopes and also on the different techniques and disciplines employed by archaeologists like geology geology and botany. So keep an eye out for that. Thanks again so much for being here until next time be excellent to each other.

Welcome to the first installment of The Human History Podcast: An Interlude. This is a place for shorter episodes on interesting topics like the top archaeological finds of the decade and also weekly roundups on archaeology news and discoveries. This first episode is going to be my list of The Top 5 Archaeological Finds of the Decade (2010-2019). There was a new henge found at stonehenge (https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/news/latest/2010/07/22july-stonehenge.aspx), a new civilization discovered in the Guatemalan jungle (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-honduras-lost-city-monkey-god-maya-ancient-archaeology/), discovery and confirmation of the remains of King Richard III (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-32054214), one of the most complex water engineering project in the ancient world discovered in China (https://www.pnas.org/content/114/52/13637), and a 5,000 year old city discovered in Israel (https://www.livescience.com/ancient-city-discovered-israel.html). Other sources for this episode: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-10718522 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/7/100723-stonehenge-woodhenge-twin-timber-circle-gaffney-science/ https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882 --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of the conscious locker room podcast. My name is Talia Connor, and I'm the host and creator of the show and it's our mission here the conscious locker room to equip you with the tools and the insights. You can live healthier more connected more meaningful lives. So before I introduce our Guest for this week. I've got a little Public Service Announcement because the Arena men's immersion is filling up fast and there's only four spots left. So this is the four-day meant immersion at the end of January here in the southwest in Margaret River and it's going to be an epic experience. I'm really excited for it. It's going to Encompass a lot of different aspects. We're going to be diving into some breath work and some somatic release to help you really let go of You've been carrying that you no longer want to stepping into this next chapter of your life. We're going to be holding workshops around really getting clear on where you want to head really getting clear on making sure you're creating a lifestyle that aligns with your core values running some workshops around developing a deeper level of connection in the relationships in your life. And then we've also got a land Journey. So we're going to be doing a guided. Walk along a section of the cape to Cape which is going to be phenomenal to and heaps of other good stuff. So if that's something that you're interested in definitely reach out either email me or find me on Instagram at tolly O'Connor send me a message to lock in one of those last remaining spots. So our guest for today is Jeremy princi, the holistic lifestyle are so Jeremy is a legend of a Blog extremely smart and really big heart. I was trying to figure out what was You got his heart or his brain is yeah Genius of a man and then he really really cares about the work that he's doing is really passionate about it. So Jeremy is a expert in health and wellness and is also a registered chiropractor. So he's based up in bumbry that list holistic lifestyle HQ is his in bumbry. And so he's done a lot of extra studies. He's done his postgraduate studies in sports crab practic International Sports chiropractor. Tactic and then he's also done a lot of further study in in different fields. So here's a check practitioner. So he's done the holistic lifestyle coaching with the check Institute. And he's also studied with the Australian College of environmental and nutritional medicine. So why I really wanted to have a chat to Jeremy is because he in the world of holistic health and yeah, really just treating the whole body. He's somebody that I have just been following his work. Journey for a while and really respect the work that he does and he's got a big focus on the gut microbiome and got Health but incorporating that into the full picture of somebody's life style and he's really sought after practitioner specializing in a lot of chronic health conditions. So he's a wealth of knowledge is a great bloke and in this conversation, we dive into a lot of interesting topics. We spoke about the link between gut health and mental health and dive in on some specifics around that which will really insightful. We spoke about testosterone the contributing factors to low testosterone the impact that can have and then some ways that you can improve your level of testosterone to a healthy level. We also spoke about the link between sort of gut health and addiction or addictive behaviors. And the reason why that's there. We spoke about the importance of the individual approach when it comes to probiotics. So it was it was good. Jeremy had a nice little little healthy rant about the importance of taking an individual approach to that and not just getting random full spectrum over-the-counter probiotics depending on where you're at and what you're wanting to achieve with that. We spoke about fertility as well, which was a really I didn't know the conversation was going to go that way but Jeremy actually does a lot of work working with couples in preconception and then during pregnancy and then the first few years of of infancy as well. And yeah, he just shared some insight and the importance of got Health probiotic you specific probiotic use during that period and just different things that both men and women can do when it comes to fertility and conception. So yeah, a lot of knowledge bombs in this one. Definitely. I wouldn't be listening to this one on one point five speed. There's a lot to take in. But yeah, I'm sure you'll enjoy it as much as I did. Without further Ado enjoy this conversation with Jeremy princi the stick lifestyle cool. All right, Jeremy. Thanks for being here man. All right. Thanks for coming down. Yeah, actually, yeah, and it's been a lot of driving recently, but it's yeah worth the trip for sure. So yeah the kick things off I guess for those that don't know you and your work so I know you're mad and many talents. But yeah just share with the listeners like a little bit about your background and kind of what Are doing in your professional life at the moment. Yeah, so at the moment pretty much a almost pretty much a full-time clinical load. So yeah, I'm a chiropractor and branched off and done a bit more nutritional like chemical work. So studied under acronym so Australian College environmental and nutritional medicine and done a bit of work privately with the microbiologist and kind of delve down just gone head first into the gut microbiome world. And so I've kind of merged I guess the manual RP chiropractic side of things with nutritional biochemical work with Bloods and the stool analysis stuff with the microbiome and kind of just taken my own sort of Spiel on that and working with with what's congruent with My Philosophy. I suppose and created a clinical practice based around that so been in this spot where I am now for coming up to three years, so just start off just me and our receptionist here and humble beginnings humble beginnings exactly had all the space in the clinic here to ourselves and then things just bloomed and and keeping up with the demand was starting to get quite challenging and just brought another people. So got a clinical nutritionist upon therapist another Cairo that's full-time and another car. That's kind of part time. So many part-time. Yeah. She's more of a movement specialist that goes down and then an integrative cheap who does a bit of work out of here as well. Just the one day a week at the moment that it all kind of synergistically works in together. So that's kind of Professionally where I'm at at the moment with things and I spent a deviation from the years before I was more online-based and teaching mainly fermented food workshops. Yeah and sort of and then kind of more part-time clinical practice Yeah Yeah. The last three years is Full Tilt. Yeah private practice. And with time we'll probably transition again out to a bit more of the teaching realm and poor environment. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, when I first came across your work your death we doing I'll sing a lot of workshops and a lot of that so that would have been about yes or three and a half years ago. And so what I yeah, I'd love to hear about what sparked your transition to go and start exploring gut health and and I guess and a really deep level because a lot of people talk about the gut brain link and talk about gut health. Like let's look at your Nutrition a bit, but you've obviously gone and studied extensively into it what actually sparked that was it something personally or You were saying in your patients or a good question and say well there's really soon as I finished uni actually, so that's 10 or so years ago now. Yeah, I've told this story a bit. So if anyone's listening and heard it before them and they fast forward a bit. Yeah that I was soon as I finish my clinic exit exam. I've got quite ill with a systemic bacterial infection. So prior to that I was pretty in pretty good health. Conditioner kind of money, even though the previous time of that before I even went to a GP. Hmm that kind of struck me down pretty quick and all of a sudden and and yeah sort of kind of pretty well bedridden I suppose on and off for a good month. Yeah. Wow and just sort of sequence of synchronous synchronicity. I suppose. I was introduced to a want to pour checks students check holistic lifestyle coaching is also check practitioners as well. So you kind of had the both parts of the Trying to under his belt and I one of my mates introduce me to any said all these guys running a wellness night at his house. You should come along. It's 80 bucks or whatever and you know, he's a wealth of knowledge. It's got really knows his stuff as a yeah, whatever so I didn't went along and we just took one look at this guy and he was just like this picture of Health. Yeah beaming exactly so I was just like whatever he's where he's going to teach us tonight all I'll take it in and take it on board and It was yeah, it was basically Paul checks work. I suppose he was that he was kind of conveying that kind of message which is a bit of a mixture of Whole Foods Weston a price kind of foundation stuff, but a Paleo type spin on it. Yeah, but the one thing I guess from that night that really stuck out to me was what else what sparked my curiosity was the fermented foods. I think it's just the scientist in me. Ye all this chemistry kitchen bench in this Cafe. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff and I was just like this I use picked up at that and I'll yeah, it really resonated with it. So that was a kind of jumping forward a little bit that and then I just sort of immersed myself in that. Hmm. And yes, I was really fascinated with the fermented foods and was just researching it. And then I kind of want to sort of playing around making it myself and went on to PubMed one day and I just typed in fermented foods and health or something like that just say There's actually any research behind staff and Andy and then let us down. There's actually quite a bit and as I huh, all right, I'm not ready for you. Yeah, so I was looking into the the microbiology of the fermentation process is learning how it all works and realize that what people were teaching and what people were doing were very out of alignment with what you know conventional microbiology has established as safe practices to phone. Okay, maybe I should teach this stuff. Yeah, it started teaching fermented food classes the Suppose the more the evidence-based methods ya Keepin it Keepin it to like histamines and the rights kind of bacteria than renting times and conditions because all the recipes on the internet when at that time where I don't even think any of them were what I would consider a safe. Yeah. Well, I'm quite bizarre. Hmm. So I kind of made it made it a bit of a mission to kind of go out there and actually teach the actual proper health and safe recommend. Yeah. Yeah. And did that for quite a while and then write you write a book on fermented foods and never got it published. I tried but a couple of the big Publishers that I went to they sort of they took it and they had a look and change your mind and ended up I'd was pretty busy after the axles or in a clinical position because time kind of went on and yeah, yeah and then the cemented Foods I suppose turned more into gut health in general because the fermented foods is just one small little component. Yeah, and I suppose in hindsight. getting my book published was the lesson I kind of learned there was as I branched off from just fermented foods and research this the whole gut health world and all the other components to I was like, so to realize well actually fermented foods are Nest maybe all that what they're cracked up to be and necessary for people and in fact contraindicated in some instances and I started going down the world at doing stool analysis and looking at people's microbiomes learning more about histamine in tolerances and you know bacterial overgrowth and things like that. And so yeah, I'm kind of in some ways a sort of a bit of a blessing but Annette of really publish a book just on fermented. Yeah. So I've kind of got it sitting there and maybe one day I'll sort of turn it into something more of a curry visitor. Yeah microbiome kind of gut health book or something like that and then yeah, but more of the information that I've acquired with time, so and now as your so as you just kind of set it is kind of Full Tilt with the The clinical side of it. It's it's not sort of guess work. This is like I suppose Cutting Edge using the best clinical microbiome test. Yeah. It's available a lot of research and hours from my ends going into learning and upskilling and yeah and combining that with the actual skin in the game. I supposed that she working with patients because it's one thing to guess, you know, study it and speak to microbiologists and being academic. The and academic exactly but into the day they're just sitting behind the computers looking at the at the shit. Literally. Yeah, someone's got to sit there in front of the patient and yeah information in a clinical setting with yeah symptoms and the person at hand and work out. So what do you do with that? Yeah, and it's been a wild and fascinating journey and yeah been very fortunate to touch many lives. I suppose in quite a I found way for a lot of people. Yeah, and yes quite a humbling quite a humbling experience. I can imagine and so a lot of the people that you end up working with from this standpoint. Is it more complicated chronic health staff or is it any Performance Based stuff back to you? Just as your average person off the street kind of fight like who what's your kind of? Yeah population. Is it working with the only primarily it's it is definitely more complicated case. Yeah, and as the years have gone by it's just getting its getting More complicated. Okay. Yes, but default when you the more you been doing it and reach more of a spy's an expert status in some ways you start to navigate and and attract that yeah I until so which is making my life harder. Yeah, why is he taking on a lot? Not only the complexities of the case, but also the the emotional attachment to the the early years of the that that person sitting in front of is been suffering I suppose. Yeah. Yeah, when you bring your the practitioner that they've come to off the senior 10 20 other people and that they're kind of wits and it's it's hard from as a practitioner perspective to to really not get your feathers wet I suppose yeah take on too much of that emotional though because naturally I'm quite a sensitive person. Yeah it is that does get to me a bit and working in ways to kind of protect my own self here in that that in answering your question is complex cases that I mean touch things. Yeah, and it's not always people just coming in now with you know, I've got constipation. I got diarrhea all the time and you know got bloating and gas and my fart stink. Yeah clearing the house hot tub. Yeah. It's more more complex autoimmune things where yeah, it's a wide array more females for sure. Yeah. Okay tend to be the ones that seek help. But yeah to get the few guys that come in. That their wives are sent to me in all their Piazza and their Lair is kind of reluctant me company and they're some of the best ones to work with to be honest because yeah, you get some of these guys, especially some of the ones that are bit rough around the edges and yeah, they're like, I've got all these all these issues and stuff like that and they've never really done anything about it. And then I feel like I can relate to them pretty well and I think that's what they need. Like, they just need someone who can be relatable and and Communicate with them on at their level as well. So you get these guys and you know, we're on a stool test on them and then we sit down and go through and actually quite fascinated when they can sort of see or this objective data and yeah and someone to put it into some sort of perspective for them that she I found a lot of those guys actually in many ways follow their programs more to the T then some of the females it's an interesting. Ting and she's ketamine is occasionally get a bloke you'll come in and they'll do it for being in there. Yeah same again type of thing. Yeah that that some of these guys are just really surprised me an amazing image, you know that got go at it and they change their life and that ye do a full flip around and and just seeing them from the start you can see and their skins all yeah anemic and you're the black under their eyes and you can just see that there, you know internally this that things aren't struggling I going so well for them. Yeah. And then even sometimes it's the month later into their program with following everything. They just come in and I sort of got yesterday actually and I just happened to pop into the clinic to grab some supplements and look at these faces Jesus. He's made a huge turnaround. He was the one that kind of surprised all of us because one of my like caught one of my other colleagues sent him in to see me as I go seeking you can go see see Jeremy and he can he can sort you out if you want with your gut stuff. And yeah, so yeah, it's the clientele. I guess yeah, and what do you think's behind that resistance? Like I've guys because like you say once there because I kind of get this in my work as well. It's like there's a resistance until a certain point and then it's oh like we are what do you find that Tipping Point in is it the objective data the science like and that side of things or what do you think it is for them? I think so. It's a good question. Probably. Yeah, just I guess investing in it for one because it's not a cheap process. Yeah, I think I told you pay my Consulting fees. Yeah a stool analysis the soil analysis itself is and your between 380 and to sort of 400 bucks. Yeah, which you can't get any meat Medicare rebate. So you're really up for I've already put, you know, throwing a bit of money into it. Then the supposes that investment from that end. Yeah, I think just maybe it's just being in the presence of another guy. Yeah, it's actually willing to listen to them and want to help them and I guess the buy-in for some is the someone probably just take a look at me and they probably all you know, he's a he's a healthy guy the guys around to like what you did to that original. Yeah in some ways probably and I mean, I mean I grew up in this town. So I suppose in some what a bit of a community around here. Yeah, and I take good care of myself and my Benji Jim consistently and have a strong self care practice and I think that with time people have just learnt to know who I am in some ways. Yeah, and some of these guys probably see me as in some ways a bit of a role model. Yeah. Yeah that that seems to know what they're talking about and I want a piece of that. Yeah. I'm going to go to the gym like I get guys wanting to wanted to train and pick my brain. It's the stuff that you know, I got my headphones in game face on and a bit of Me right - yeah, but you still still get handed a little bit that so I think that's maybe a bit of a drive. Yeah that Integrity between what you're saying what your message is and then I guess enough of that Collective Community like reinforcement of that's where you're at. Yeah. Yeah. It's meant the mean men don't really like to get help right? Yeah. It's just for the most people I mean, there's maybe a shift with the things a bit more. So these days but yeah for the most part it's pretty taking those initial steps. From when man is probably quite confronting and huh and sadly with men and young men in particular. I see some quite some serious issues like, you know, especially sexual performance issues and yeah getting you know, 18 19 20 year-olds that can't get an erection. It's like here that's a worry. Yeah, you should be hard on demand at that a yeah, so maybe that's a bit of a Having factor for some into when you start getting to that point when things aren't working so well big enough. Yeah, exactly. Maybe that's where the you know the bite the bullet a little bit Yeah, the ego kind of goes out the door and yeah and you know unveil the true colors. Yeah open up. Yeah. Yep. And so even just using that example, like like sexual function then coming bring it back to gut health like the gut impacts so many things like I've done some Reading myself, but it's a more speaking before there's so many different rabbit holes to go down. And then yeah, it's almost like the rabbit holes are getting bigger. There's seems to be like a common awareness that that got health effects mental health. Well, I feel like it's getting more common anyway, but can you speak into into that like a lot of the people I work with are kind of doing personal development there. They're putting in time effort often resources to improve their state of being and I find a lot of people can miss Mr. Physical pillar a little bit. Can you speak to I guess the link between gut health and mental health a bit. Sure. How long have we got? Yeah, and that's what I mean. That's why I wanted to come and talk to you because I'm like it's so I'll try hit the main the main yeah just for the average and I know you work with complex cases, but for the average person just to almost enough because I find it once people know enough. Prioritize it then some change can start to happen. So she asked to do best. Yeah, let me let me share a few stories. So there's an interesting study that they did where they got to they got a specific type of fruit fly specific strain or whatever. It is a fruit fly and they separated them out into two separate groups. Hmm. They fed one group of the fruit fly. Just a sugar based diet, which is I think it was they use molasses as if their feed and the other The other group they fed them a starch-based diets more of a complex carbohydrate type diet. So did that for a period of time covering the exact details? It's come back a little while now. Yeah, and then they got the two groups and then they put them into one environment together collectively and what they found was there was a strong almost like a hundred percent sexual preference for the ones that were on the same diet sexually went for the same ones in the same diet. So basically all the ones that we read The Molasses space diet would sexually be attracted to each other and have sex and the ones on the starch based diet would as well and then what they did is I took those those those fruit fly and they basically gave them they wiped their gut and so with some sort of antibiotic whatever just to give it a clean slate again put them back together. And then what they found was the mailing preference was not predictable. So it was just a freak out of orgy. So the gut microbiome what they've got that basically concluded from that research was Diet affects gut microbiome. That microphone somehow has some sort of whether it's fair amount of whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah relationship with the with the mental emotional state and and was the driving factor for sexual preference. Yeah. Well, this is quite interesting actually wondering if your partner goes out and has to have antibiotics or something. Is that going to yeah, what sort of wildly, you know personality Cults. It's like the top part of me after chose you as all this stuff that yeah. It's interesting and then some I mean granted it's fruit flies. But yeah, it's interesting. Eating but a lot of the studies are done with mice as well where they've done what they've done a lot of the stud earlier studies were done with rats and mice but they did what's a good one? They took two different strains of mice. So the ba ba LLB mice which is generally more. I think they're more outgoing and exuberance by nature and the NIH Swiss breed of mice which are more anxious and timid by Nature. It's a makeup. Yeah. Basically did a facial transplant from one to the other and they found that they create a complete personality shifts, you know, so those they took on those personality traits from the microbiome of the mice that they received essentially. Wow. And then they're seeing that congruent now across the board with humors all your fecal transplants and starting to see these kinds of things come up. Hmm. So yeah, so that's kind of just a little this little snippet insight into how powerful the microbial. Yeah, but there's research that's been done on certain probiotic strains and using I think I was reading on this morning where there's a study they looked at bipolar disorder and they found that those in the intervention group with a specific probiotic cocktail. So some specific strains and they followed them up at after a certain period of Time Versus those that didn't have the probiotic. There was less readmissions to hospital. Yeah, well group that received a probiotic here. Out there's a really good study that they did. This is quite a small studies as I think this but the sample sizes only about a hundred. Yeah was randomized control trials that had that had like 50 hmm 50 people in the probiotic group and 50 in the placebo group and what it was is they looked at infants that were given a specific probiotics and like missiles from Aces GG for the first six months of life and then they'll track them all the way to age 13. And then they looked at the diagnosis rate that they had that of Asperger's disease and ADHD. So what they found was there's about 17 percent of the group that we're in the placebo groups that didn't receive the probiotic and received like the sugar pill or whatever for the first six months of Life at age thirteen seventy percent of that group were diagnosed with either a th a DHT or Asperger's you don't have a guess at how many in the probate probate what the percentage was in the probiotic group age. Thirteen Thirty forty. None, so none say kids the kids in the group that received lactobacillus rhamnosus JJ for the first six months of Life at age 13. None of those kids that 50/50 or whatever. It was while we're diagnosed with that. We 8 HD or HD urges. Whereas the ones in the placebo group. So they didn't receive the probiotic see the placebo. They had 70% of the that group were diagnosed with one of those conditions. So that's outrageous again. It's a small sample. Yeah. It's not it doesn't have a huge clinical waiting or anything like that. Yeah, it's interesting it just and it's make you think yeah, it makes you think and there's largest studies that have been going on now and then yeah, so I mean other things that trying to keep it fairly simple for like serotonin that 90% of that's produced in the gut microbiome where it shouldn't be dopamine somewhere between probably 50 and 70% is producing the gut goes up the gut brain axis of vagus nerve and all that. I collect collection of neurons to the brain has its effects and so serotonin dopamine. If for those that don't know what are they responsible for? So serotonins more I guess put simply like if your feel-good neurotransmitter. So happy happy hormones type of thing dopamine's more centered around reward Pathways and things like that. So and pleasure seeking and that kind of stuff and then there's a couple other neurotransmitters as Gabba. Yeah. So gamma amino butyric acid, that's an inhibitory. To help sort of comus down so kids generally with ADHD or Autism and things like that tend to have lower levels of Gaba and high levels of glutamate siglemic a to to gab. It's more than your excitatory. Yeah, but again same sort of thing certain microbes produce those those neurotransmitters so dysregulation or dysbiosis in the in the gut is going to interfere with those kinds of important neurotransmitter transmitters for mental emotional health. Yeah. In kids adults that the works. Well, I don't Society thing as anything else that I can kind of rattle off for you or is that enough now? That's solid. Yeah. That's that's that's funny. It's more just like so all the feel-good hormones and all the I guess I guess Drive related. I mean we didn't talk about testosterone but like dopamine and serotonin. Yeah, if you're trying to feel more connected in your relationships or live a happier healthier life and home only that's not taken care of you're going to struggle essentially exactly. Addictions or any addictions really? Yeah, you know part of the the driving force behind that is a Guess That Dope that's dopamine Pathways and rewards by I would system. So people struggling with food addictions and stuff like that and it constantly trying to get that little dopamine here, you know. Yeah, so C at that and get that little surgeon dopamine and this vicious cycle. Yeah. So part of that can be gut microbiome related there could be other mechanisms as well. But yeah, I mean, there's definitely Lee in and around that for sure yeah, something else was in my mind them as you were saying that couldn't have been too important lost it and so so for the average person like is it pretty much the only way and this has been like I guess the million dollar question but like other than going because like you say, it is more of an investment in time money energy to get the stool sample the store analysis and to go through that pathway. If somebody's like the other some might be out of whack with my God or whatever are there some things that you can just do that across the border going to help with everybody without having to go down specific or is it pretty much like as soon as your think that you know, you got might be a source of what's going on just bite the bullet and go down the specific pathway. Yes. There's definitely things for sure and we do in some Is try and talk people out of stool testing. Okay, like yeah and people come in its when we do an initial consultation. It's kind of like well, you know, we can we can you know, you probably need to dial in these other factors. That's because other thing is they Something Magic Bullet. I see ya guys. It is very useful. Yeah. Just trying to work out how articulate this. You still have to have the basic Foundation principles dialed in lies. There's no point doing a stool test and this happens you get the and it's interesting because their gut microbiomes are usually you can kind of guess what's going on in their life. Well, I can guess what's going on in there because I can see in their personality what they're doing and after that they're you know, they're all one thing to the next. Yeah hormone test them. Yes blood tests are doing it makes fancy test afternoon. Yeah, see test and never investing in. Actually doing the work so that Old Chestnut doing the work exactly. So and I think like some of that is actually used gut microbiome related some you see as you know, there's OCD tendencies that all these compulsions and stuff like that, you know, there's associations with things like I think more streptococcus over gross some of these some of these bacteria, so I try and make sure well These days it's more of a selection criteria actually cuz we have more of a wait list now. Anyway, yeah, so taking on clients because it's at that point. So it's yeah, I actually get people to fill in the questionnaire is first and the all my paperwork and even that is a test in itself as to whether I think someone's even would see if it's just going to be a waste of time and comb because here the paperwork's can be quite intensive. There's quite a bit to it. So when I get these responses back that are just these blase answers and it's like yeah, you know what, you know, we're not we're not going to be able to To a six-month Pro. Yeah and make the actual changes that are necessary. Yeah, this is just a sad thing for you. Yeah, I've kind of flirted around your question a bit there. So I think it's important that people have the the foundational principles dialogue and that's you know, your basic dietary stuff. And yeah, so what's what what are you take people through with those foundations? So Whole Foods diet your try and minimize all you know keep you know, the general principle like when you're shopping at grocery stores around Round the perimeter in the aisles and stuff like that. So you can stick to your Fresh Foods and stuff like that. Yeah, when it comes to meets making sure it's you know, grass-fed is a bare minimum and ethically sourced all that kind of stuff or getting preferably and same with produce organic preferential because I mean, it's no point taking all these probiotics if you're you know, taking all these insecticides herbicides pesticides from your produce into your garden just wiping it out. Anyway. Yeah, so so those kinds of basic Water but proper adequate water intake and Quality Water as well. So I have a specific water filter that I recommend with people. We've been Affiliated and inline aligned with them for a while and have a discount that we have for clients and then like exercise and that and that that proper mix of exercise and rest as well. So some people obviously overdo it. Yeah. And that can be a too much of a form of stress if they're already in a stress State. Yeah, because the body is just it's a it's a bunch of you know, biological oscillators. I suppose. I mean you'd understand this as if with the fist with your physio background like the lymphatic system and Sony's that constant pumping mechanism going. So if you're sitting down all day long and everything just becomes stagnant. Yeah acid and you know, your boughs probably going to be more Sluggish and flushing things for anything not flushing your your fecal matter through then that's going to cause a toxic: and reabsorption of lipopolysaccharides and toxic material and fecal matter and so on. Yeah, so yeah, I guess those basic kind of things sleeps a huge one. Yeah that I fucked that up at Uni like and that's what had probably where I got to with the bacterial infection because mmm I was very driven at you know, wanted to Excel and I did and I came out with three or four of the major. Rewards yeah, but I didn't sleep much at all. Like I was trying to sneak as much time today as possible and night so I could study sort of yeah, I was reading books on how to all these guys that were promoting that you don't need all this sleeve. And that kind of thing you can yeah. I just know how to fine-tune nap at this specific time and he can't you see it's bullshit. Yeah, and it's late. Yeah. So making sure people have all that dialed in and kind of as we sort of alluded to a little bit before the pod. Simple talk about the red light therapy instead of all that blue artificial stimulation. And so I have basically client gets like the I guess the list of things and it's quite exhausting and and everything but the information is there for them and even just simple stuff like at home at night pulling your Wi-Fi routers out before you go to bed because that's been EMS being shown to interfere with hormone levels. And this is where it gets hard to appreciate the some people because This is the invisible stuff. Yeah wing with liar - I guess things like invisible but the different spectrums of light, right? Yeah, and then your EMS and stuff like that just can't for the most part see it. We don't appreciate the effects. It has pink. Like I'm sure everyone's felt when they've been in there fine theyíre get hot. Yeah, right. They're actually holding it. Yeah. Imagine what that's doing for a man with his finest pocket makes these nuts like just putting his his ball sack basically. Yeah, and then you look at the rate of fertility just Dropping idly. I used to know the stats on that and it you know, where as people when you when you can pull it off but so I can't I can't share it with out the moments. I can't remember if you knew if I could it would blow your mind. I remember seeing it and it was like a steady decline of like 1.5 percent a year for mmm. It's like 40 consecutive year or something. Yeah, it's crazy and it's that and then a women get all this pressure put on them but like yeah blokes have to show up and take their ownership for this Duty. And and when I do that's another part of the clinical practice that I do like to work with with conception. Yeah, I think so. I try and promote getting we get the family involved male female and we run through certain set of tests that we like to do in terms of floods and that kind of stuff and working preconception Ali and through pregnancy and those first few years of life with the kids because knowing what I know now with the microbiome and that critical importance of the especially those first three years of life. Yeah even really preconception when you look at Yeah, in terms of the microbiome in the shaping of that those first three years of life is so critical for acquiring a robust microbiome that which creates the core of the microbiome that we acquire that we carry through life and that in turn shapes can be a huge. Yeah ocean for your life down the track. So that's some interesting very much in line with that with going down that path more so now yeah when I suppose get my act together grab it and take maybe take a bit of time out of practice and I guess not. Well, I suppose Market it more. Yeah and and set up business procedures around involving that I have no idea. What's going down that line. Yeah. I love it. So ya doing I can imagine be even credibly and and I almost see it in some ways as like medical malpractice not prescribing certain probiotics. I tell women when they're pregnant and the kids in the young because Good examples that the one that I said before leftovers. Yeah and Isis JJ, I mean there's been enough studies out there now to show that mothers would take that in the infancy take that have decreased incidences of things like a topic conditions at x Mama immune that allergies immune system dysregulation, like in my mind. It's like I have a duty of care to yeah just say you got to take this. Yeah. That's yeah powerful life. I see it from the research. Yeah. And it's phenomenal to think about their kind of makes sense as you say, but I hadn't really thought about those early years because my of read a lot and about like the neurological function the importance of those first seven years and what happens there. But yeah, I hadn't thought so much about their gut stuff on that. So yeah, so combining that with you know, the parenting side of the yeah all that obviously. Yeah, like significance 70 years of life and what you subconsciously inherit their yeah rights and The programming. Yeah, that's that's huge to yeah. Yeah, it's not something I suppose. I really that's not my role. It's something that I probably as I get older. I probably will merge down that Martin lame or so and you know expand it more holistically, but for now it kind of teaching what I've kind of gone down. Yeah, maybe your line with some other people too. Yeah, but that's what all this where this stuff all fits in right? Yeah education opening up some perspectives of people and things to read and it is a narrow and research themselves. Yeah, and and because we because cat now we're we're 17 weeks pregnant and so we did and she was on a plant-based diet for quite a while and we sort of opened up to the idea of children last year. She was quite anxious and nothing really happened. And then so we just sort of shelved it and really just went in on our health and just kind of self research stuff. I knew and just having that time for us both to consciously commit to that it made like the biggest difference. And the first time we pretty much tried to conceive in August this year we did. Yeah, and it's like that prep time but to have the guidance like hmm. That's cool. I didn't know you did that like yeah cat cat listens to this vile. Tell her anyway, but yeah, she literally is take the the probiotic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's and it's a specific. That's the other thing. It's a specific probiotics. That's where this thread gets more confusing and it drives me crazy mad. I guess, you know one question. Yeah. This whole probiotic industry and much like kind of what we did with antibiotics are we you know the thought I was gonna be the answer for curing all these diseases. We ended up over abusing it and creating a massive more of a massive problem. Don't get me wrong. It's you know, they save lives and they did their purpose but they kind of messed around a little bit and yeah early days I think probiotics are kind of had in that path to let people know you meant for this and that and not even knowing what it is and you know, someone says I got to have one that's got all this diversity or All the different strains, you know. Yeah more colony-forming units more the better. It's sadly not that not as simple as that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So speak to speak into that more like a little bit around like is it like you go to a doctor and they'd give you a specific antibiotic based on what was going on the same thing applies to probiotics in terms of depending on what's happening in your gut you need specific. Yeah. That's it. That's a good analogy. Yeah, so it's because there's there's lots of quite well. Well, it's got a lot of different probiotics. So it comes down to more the actual strain and the probiotic where the where the magic is or Indian culture the prescriptive power, I guess so like you know for instance say someone has chronic constipation or something like that. You're going to want to use probiotic strains that have efficacy for improving power Transit time, which there's a few that can do that. There's not a lot but there's the fear the pain study that can do that and then the others flip side of that is some that actually slow down beltran's a tire so If by default you just going to your health food store and just grabbing a probiotic because you know, you're bummed up and got constipation. You just go on by chance really going to get it right or make it worse or or just waste your money do nothing at all together. Yeah, so that's kind of where it's quite powerful and then I guess the devils in the detail a little bit with even within the nomenclature. So for instance, they lactobacillus plantarum 2 9 9 V. So lactobacillus is a Genus Plantera. Is the species 2 9 9 Visa strain that's being asked studies show efficacy for medically diagnosed IBS. Yeah that it's the same name like the cells plant I ERM so same genus and species plantarum. I can't remember what the specific strain is. It's like maybe mf1 line eight or something like that basically sounds pretty much the same thing. Yeah, like different genetic variation. So it's not the to 9V strain which helps IBS. It's the other strain actually has been shown. To make obvious worse. Yeah. Okay so much a it's just important that my my piece of advice to people is don't take probiotics. They go to this just for the sake of it because because someone's going so your health food shop and grab one. So how would they then other than seeing a specialist or somebody in it? Is there ways to more thoroughly research or would you just recommend finding a holistic GP or somebody like yourself or somebody who is well versed in this and chat to them it's worth it. Time that's the most cost effective and ethical way of doing it. Yeah in my mind, it's good to know. I mean, it's been awhile since jumped on the incident had a little look around and maybe there's more people mean because there's not that many people really with this kind of knowledge that actually teaching it's evenly within the you know, the naturopath world that this I'm sure there's plenty of practitioners but not everyone's equipped and up-to-date with all this so so I guess it comes down to getting a reputable practitioner that really is honed in on all this and yeah, that's what I did. This is chrism and I suppose and find out. Yeah, so that's probably the best bet. Yeah and then but I mean if you just wanted to get some some probiotics I suppose into your gut. I mean this thing is food based sources as well like a fermented foods obviously in which case, you know, you might it might not be the perfect thing for you like you might you might already have maybe some over-aggressive lactobacillus not all that common, but it does occur. Yeah, you're going to have these cemented Foods or going to have a probiotic and going to potentially make that worst with the fermented foods, at least you're getting nutrition that goes along with it as well. No, just a random. Guess you're getting your vitamin C your B vitamins. It's predigested already. It's got the Prebiotic fiber. That's a part of it. It's got ya chemical compound. Our crap for instance got chemical compounds in it that are and they've been shown to be anti-carcinogenic. So the indole-3-carbinol and the dim all those Eastern detoxifying compounds. Yeah aren't in raw cabbage. So they have to go through that fermenting process juice those so at least You take your finger foods and you're not doing yourself massive favors from the probiotics. I think that maybe it's not quite doesn't fit your unique microbiome. You actually getting all the other benefits to go. Yeah probiotic. There's nothing else. Yeah, he's all you're taking as a pro bowl. Yeah and wasting your money and we essentially essentially making things worse. Yeah, that's probably, you know, probably get the probiotic companies knocking on my door. Yeah white. That's right. Take me down that yeah, that's just how I see it. Yeah. No that's good to know and so like On that note I guess on this because this wave of got Health fermented food, kombucha seasonal cleansers like and and when I can dive into all of them, but is there anything that you haven't mentioned already that you see that is potentially concerning and on the flip side of that on this wave of things. What are you seeing that excites? You most about the awareness building around these things like ice exciting thing is a those people are doing all this sort of stuff because there's awareness it's being generated and I suppose that Can only be a good thing. Yes, the concerns I have which I shared in another podcast recently was things like the seasonal cleanses and that where people are doing taking these, you know, broad-spectrum herbicide cocktails of yeah, all these antimicrobials and things like cascara that's will flush a boughs but it should never be taken long term. Yeah, deplete mineral, especially potassium and stuff like that, but just take just blindly going in and taking these big cocktails of dutt cleansing detox fiber Blends, and yes and kind of Doing their own Paris because it's natural that can't harm you right supposedly. Yeah, definitely can yeah does and I've been on the receiving end of that which I won't go into too today. But yeah suffice to say that I don't have concerns around that I think you're better off just putting your eggs in and you in your money into just quality good nutrition year round. Yeah, if you want to be curious about your gut microbiome and that just just invest in baby. Doing a proper still analysis that we someone who knows what they're doing and and Beast take the sniper approach as opposed to the shotgun approach. Yeah. Yeah. Okay bit me it bit me on the ass big time when I when I was less educated with all this and took all the you know, the the all-natural cleanse typist and there's plenty of other variations out there now with all the different antimicrobial herbs and then I just cause the two way too much collateral damage and yeah, I'm still to this day. I believe rehabbing that the damn well done from doing a 60-day Like A Parasite cleanse and all the yeah interesting and it's it's funny because on the outside of might look like a cheaper option. Like I can just buy that thing and do it in order it there's a sale. Yeah, but it's almost pretty much guaranteed. Always it in the long run going to cost you more. Yeah, and actually just doing the thing and doing it properly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah great. Well, that's good to know. I want to Circle back. To the comment you made about like the young guys and erectile dysfunction or and bringing the conversation around testosterone. Okay, and just what? Yeah what your experience is with working with guys who do have low testosterone and then the link between because I looked at like the symptoms of low testosterone is pretty much like like all the stuff of mental health and depression. It's like the same list overlap. But yeah and so are a dysfunction as well you throw in the mix. So, yeah. I simply said that hand in hand those to kind of go together when you see low testosterone levels in a youngish guy. It seems to kind of mirror up a bit with we thyroid regulation issues. Like low T3 syndrome or think we're not converting your T4 to T3 properly and so t4z inactive form T 3 is the active form of thyroid which Savvy again it was going to be I guess mainstream medicine. They don't really routinely look for that. Yeah TSH and by the time T So to you Guys that like that things have been brought under the hood for way too long. Then it's very reactive. Yeah, very reactive approach to look at it. So we're fortunate over an intruder GB to work with our we generally get to see those results and catch it early. But well, I mean for instance if you got like T3, I mean some of that conversion for T4 to T3 happens in the gut by the gut microbiome, I think there's about 20% of IT guy. Yeah, so it all kind of going to relate with the gut in terms of hormones from From that perspective. Hmm. It's not the only case but then there's also certain gut microbes that are associated with autoimmune issues and potentially triggering them on Sir trigger them off. So when it going back to the thyroid again, if there's thyroid antibodies and things like that that can there's potentially Scott overlap issue that's going on there. And yeah, so and inflammation is a Big Driver of thyroid dysregulation. Okay and hormone This regulation which again so that some of that comes back to the galley got controls a lot of that the end if you get a lot of pathogenic over gross that will produce inflammation as well. So we'll add fuel to that fire and that kind of interrelated mixture of hormones and immune system and so on. Hmm, and then there's I mean the the guess the elephant in the room is stress, right? Like that's that's the one of the biggest drivers of these issues probably more so than just the gut microbiome because it's bi-directional gut the gut brain access but things aren't right up top and whether that's But can come back too many things but I guess where I see what I intuitively say is people just not living in alignment with their values. Yeah, there's no purpose or just stuck in a rut and relationships that are just toxic and yeah and so on and so forth. This is probably your bread and butter. Yeah, that's a big a big issue. Hmm. If we if I'm going to look at if we're going to pick on the young men I think to try and get back to your question in with load test. Things like testosterone that we young men. Yeah. I think he's having a strong sense of purpose and knowing what you want where you want to go and that kind of thing will address many of those issues. Yeah. Yeah nice fine. And so looking at minimizing stress because I couldn't agree more. It's like there's nothing more stressful than living a life that you know intuitively did whether you're aware of it or not. If you know, it's not off. Some people are better at it than others. I get it they learn that quick. Yeah go to another Zone. And the light bulb goes off and yeah don't ignore the little inner signals and messages and gut feelings. I guess. Yeah that are telling them inside. Yeah, but it's huge. It's you just kind of ignore it. Hmm. Yeah, do you say that with your client base? Obviously, they there would maybe come to you from more the stools had more than physical health staff. But at do you see I live you starting to see a pattern with well, there's a lot of say stressful stuff coming in from relationships in time. Yeah one last week, which they came in wanting a stool analysis and I ended up saying so you $380 because this is not the driving factor. I don't think is coming. It might. Yeah, but we could help you along with that. And you finances were you know, if you were if we did have to consider finances at all, then yeah sure would support everything at once but I think the highest priority for this person this point in time with their resources is what's going on in other areas of their life and I want to ship over here. Yeah, I'm like this and then whatever but there's other factors. Yeah more pressing any key and important for that person. Yeah. Yeah, and I've had a few I mean I've sent In fact, I think I've got someone a patient who have sent over to the Hoffman process at the moment at something. I went did earlier on in the year, which I found very beneficial. Yeah. So yeah just kind of yeah, he's got a this so many different facets. But yeah, I think I guess the every I mean with more as time goes on I'm realizing more and more and tuning in a little bit more so with Where the higher priority yes, and that's where I suppose the intake form doing having a solid intake form kind of qualifies people. It's yeah, what are the high high priority is here? Yeah. So are there things are non stress-related like nutritionally going back to the testosterone are there things because obviously stress is the biggest killer called as it was the biggest killer after all but aside from that the other things nutritionally specific that are are important and you see mist is there any supplementary because I know you're really specific with any sort of supplementation. If you do you describe it your specific like have you noticed anything in that realm that does help or or not as much as the other holistic factors? It's all supportive. Yeah. I mean you can choose you can go on you see I mean the classics are with men or you could take zinc, you know, but I mean, oh, yeah, that's a patient in love again. I think the last week or the week before we're low testosterone levels and Free engine for Anderson index and low T3 again, there's ink levels. Yes, I'll pretty low but the copper levels were really low like even outside the reference range and the throw a plasma the transport protein for copper was was also very low so that person can be very careful with supplementing with zinc because it's an antagonistic to each other to be either supplement with zinc then you're going to displace that copper and even more further exacerbate local Precinct. Copper's important with with neurotransmitter production dopamine and things like that. So I guess it's more longer. I'm going in this game. I guess the more I'm realizing how powerful testing is. Yeah. Well testing don't guessing type of scenario. So yeah, so jinkx kind of generally want to run your with testosterone using one of the ones that is recommended that yeah. I've seen it enough times. Now where people have just just over supplemented with zinc just because of read it on a blog or Yeah, and it's kind of mainstream knowledge that zinc can help with testosterone and so on and they all they've done is messed up their copper levels interesting read another problem. So just yeah, it's hard hard to give out specific supplement wise. I'm yeah, I'm quite picky with ever supplementing without any sort of without testing magnesium. I'm pretty relaxed with yeah. It seems to help quite a lot with most people and you're not really going to run into any dramas with that using the right the right forms of magnesium. Yeah. And I do quick get quite specific user specific magnesium in the morning and one at night. So different forms ones more more energy gives you more energy other ones generally more around relaxation. Okay, anyone it's bound to it's fine. So yeah, it's hard to yeah after to give recommendation that's again just got back. I think the best thing is to focus on diet and cleaning up all those kinds of things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah squeaky clean die because I'm the 80% before you go looking for the why not? Yeah, exactly. Yeah now that's that's good to know. But there is this there was a there's a probiotic. It's one of the legs illustrator ice trains. I think they did a study on that. I'm pretty sure is in Rat so they look they found that increased testosterone levels. Okay. There's more he's definitely been more research in line with with female hormones than male hormones gut microbiome. Okay heaps on that. Okay, we especially dealing with things like endometriosis, which is yeah Jim disorder. Yeah, barely I suppose probably inflammatory drugs. Running pretty gazing common. Yeah, there's an enzyme in the in the in the liver beta glucuronidase that certain microbes produce and that's involved with how you process these regions and kind of unpack some ID conjugates. And so then that can get high levels of that than the it's D conjugating the Eastern then it's recycling around through the body again and just causing habits and get them issue and dominance type scenario. Yeah. Yeah, he's of your endo and that kind of stuff. So yeah. Yeah, it's more definitely more in line with female hormones than yeah, then the male star. Yeah, do you think that's why you see more female clients or another? I think it's incident in general females. They are the for the most part more proactive. Yeah, and when it comes to their family's health like them either they're the ones that make the health choices in the fan. Yeah the most part. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I think that's that's actually get something there. Yeah, cool. Ancient was it the Hoffman? Yes. He said you said you were photo client there and you've got bit. I've never heard of that. What's Hoffman process staying after I got Bob Hoffman. He started it quite many years ago and it was initially a six-month program where people literally took six months out of their life and that go into this this process where it was going into like all your old childhood start programming if they're like bringing the traits and all that. Kind of business and and it guess a form of psychotherapy I guess. Yeah, so initially six month program then over the years are kind of people just so time for these days and make excuses whatever they can't take six months out. So they've they condense the same content and same program down and down and down to the point now where it's a week-long process where you're literally just go off the grid got to hand your phone in all that kind of snails. No, With the outside world. Yeah in the relatively small group with you get facilitators and the same content in a week basically is what it was in six months just because a lot more homework now, so I'm like I did it in April this year and I'm still doing you know bits of homework that goes with it. So and they say it takes about two years to fully integrate and wow, put it all into proper practice and stuff like that, but someone refer to it as a lifetime of psychotherapy. In a way. Yeah. Wow, probably that plus more in my opinion, but I still do I found it so you so I still do follow-up consults with one of the facilitators that was there. So yeah, we do routine sort of check ins and I pay her to do some or consultations and keep working with them packing all the stuff that was brought up because it was pretty shaky. Yeah. Yeah, it rocked my world. There's no doubt about that. Yeah had you done much of that kind of work before any sort of psychotherapy? Yeah, so I guess I went into Paul checks work after after that experience those years ago and did his holistic lifestyle coaching program. They wanted to and spent some time with him when he was in Australia, which there's definitely a bit of that that is a bit of confronting stuff that comes up but nothing was definitely a complete Next Level over that I will say I kind of had a lot of resistance going into the Hoffman thing. I've done all this and that yeah, well parents will start. Yeah, Mommy she said Daddy, she's right. I get it. Yeah, but then got a fucking rude shock when I was there. Yeah. Well she come up and and the awareness it was yeah. Yeah wild. Yeah, I recommend it. But in fact I spoke a little bit about that on a podcast and had few people actually quite interested in and asking me questions and stuff like that. Yeah, actually jump on their website and you can do the they do have a free one-hour consultation that you can do cool to get a bit of that. Info on it. And yeah, it's kind of a session I suppose and then from there if it resonates you kind of go from there, but they don't do any marketing. It's interesting that any marketing never heard of it, but it just packs that every time that they run it's almost once a month in Byron Bay and it's all around the world. But in Australia do it in Byron Bay and they get their 20-odd every every time and it's just from people because it's so powerful for people. So I hear word of mouth. Don't you finish out this might what makes good? Yeah Brothers got to do this. These patients got to do this, but which they very cognizant of in making sure that you don't go home and say tell you people your friends and that you've got to go do this, you know, yeah, it's only got to do it the way the anyway hundred percent. So you kind of pick it a little bit more. Yeah drip feed it in. But yeah, yeah, so it's amazing. Like I got the power is in that right like if something so so powerful that they don't have to do any marketing. Really. Yeah, that's all in to express itself speaks for itself. That's in many ways. I suppose not to toot my own horn or anything, but that's kind of how it's Clinic works. Like it's all pretty much internal marketing and barely spend anything on yeah, like ads or anything like that. Yeah you Google chiropractor bumbry. We don't even show up on the oh really in the SEO or anything like that, but we'll probably will change a little bit more more as we expand a bit more with the other cars and that's basically expand exactly run out now. Yeah. Yeah see the Hoffman back on that. That's probably all I really need to to share on that here week-long process. We gonna go in and face the devil I suppose. Yeah. Yeah and what shifts have you noticed in yourself sort of cut that April is anything that like yeah, like share whatever you're open to but what's a good one? I can probably share. Without spoiling it to ya. Well, I guess I'd realized like all this right is just a in many ways of Behavioral cover up for my own insecurities and issues with lack of self-worth and not being lovable at the core and all that kind of stuff. That's just validation right creating something that's successful and begin a name and doing all this research and establishing myself in the community as an expert. I suppose. It's just seeking validation at the core and I suppose My upbringing I guess my parents were together that didn't like didn't have any sort of major abandonment issues or anything like that. But your dad was it was there but wasn't there in many ways like in my early years like he was so busy on his business making you know providing for us and yeah, even though he's Factory was like next door to our house. I didn't I didn't say I saw him hell of a lot right? So I probably in many ways. Really get the love that a little boy probably just strives for yeah. Yeah on the attention and love from their parents, which I had a strong connection with my mom like she was that home answers spend a lot of time with her and she she did the running around and all that kind of stuff and I'd and very much a people-pleasing. I kind of picked up on the fact that you know, that's a trait that I picked up from her and you know, being the communion the people pleaser and that kind of thing and yeah putting others needs before your own and that kind of stuff. Tough. So there's a lot of sort of insights around there. And if my dad does listen to this, I do love you Dad. Yeah, every time I got was just doing what they know what they know at the time and you know, he does he migrated over from Italy. I supposed to just adjust to find it migrated over to do I had nothing so it's just yeah started a business and a very successful business and he did amazing in his own right and he's very humble about his wealth that yeah. Come at a cost. Yes. It's that you know, the paint that he wasn't always there for us for everything but it was there the best it could be. Hmm and Paul check said something interesting which was a quote from things Carl Jung said that all all all humans are tasked with the unfinished business of their parents. Yeah that really resonates with me. So that's it the Hoffman I suppose probably brought that too light for me and it's made me realize like, you know as a A parent what you know what I want to achieve and how I want to show up and be a be a parent and yeah, I can learn from all these experiences. Yeah, that's a that's one snippet of yeah, that's yeah. Thanks to thanks for thanks for sharing that man. I can relate because my dad was a cray fisherman. It's worked really hard and then we actually moved to Perth when I was 7 but he was still fishing in Savannah. So again working hard providing for the family, but just physically not Are lot and it's crazy that even though consciously you can understand and as you grow up you can justify it but there's still that emotional part of you where she needs weren't met and it's like what can I do? I can get straight A's that'll help back and then that extends so yeah. Yeah can definitely relate but I'm definitely going to check out. Yeah the - process because I never heard of it before anything. Yeah, and I heard it from it from my mates. They went and did it and I was having some relationship dramas and stuff like that over time. And those are you got to go to the hospital. It's going to sort your lights out little did. I know that that in the back of their mind site see the going to it's either going to make it so it all gets kind of break it and yeah, I might I'm like is going to sort us out. There's going to be six. Yeah separate ways going to be significant change and that's not necessarily a bad thing. No a lot of the it wasn't I didn't initiate that that yeah, it's more from her part, but it's the right thing. Yeah, like it's just that's how it is. And yeah, yeah, so Works at yeah all comes out in the wash beautiful man. What time just to start wrapping things up? Is there anything that we sort of haven't touched on that that you're really excited about like at the moment like what's yeah, what's exciting for you? You'll be uh know when we did a little tour of the place. There's flirting with expanding and doing different things. Is there anything that you want to speak to in terms of what you're what you're bringing into the world what you're excited about at the moment. Well, you know what to be truthful. I've actually step back over. A fair bit within the practice here and my hours of cut back my have been focusing more on myself. Nice fun, which the Paradox that I suppose is even though I've made I've cut my hours back to some degree. I'm just as busy if not busier like and sought after because I'm you know, the old saying I'm filling up my cut more. So since I got more to give I guess yeah, I've had a lot going on since the Hoffman like it's been a Taniya, yeah, so it's taking its toll and may not have identified that so it's time to put some protective measures up. So I'm excited about I suppose just slowing this down a little bit in here and focusing more on myself. And that's fine. I mean the most days I'm training anywhere between two to four hours a day now, which is what I love. I love rehabbing my body and I'm not rehabbing but improving upon all the Years of the body building that I used to do and dysfunctions that would caught up in that so being able to do back on phase with a taupe or tells training and nice farming that and just getting them all getting the goodness out of that again. Yeah. So yeah more excited about about me. I guess I love it and it's non selfish way. Yeah or and it's like because that to me looks that's longevity because if you're doing it at the expense of self then yeah, it's got a time limit when I come in here and Come in here and getting a little bit frustrated light not not coming in, you know, not not not running through the doors, you know to get in here like I used to yeah, that's not right in my mind. It's incongruencies are so I've identified that to now be a bit more Mindful and and get the get the spark back a bit in myself. And yeah and then have that sort of more Vitality to shine in here a bit more again and pass on that inspiration and share and help people out that way. Yeah, and it's interesting that in the matadors that I can with that suppose getting asked to be on my way more interviews and yeah social media presence and yeah kind of has a flow-on effect and just working on all those little little projects that I had been for a while that have been in the back of the mine, which I haven't been able to really put out there because of giving I suppose I gave a lot in my previous relationship and at the expensive Self and put my own business in terms of like the business he is been flourishing and put a lot of investment in here, but for giving into a relationship all the time and expense that myself kind of meant that I couldn't have the time and resources for the other stuff that I like to do, which is the teaching and the online presence. I just find that my footing a bit more in that again. It's been exciting and we just actually just launched a new website. So we've got more of an online store there. That's Got all the good stuff that we that I like to use like the specific supplements. And that's what I'm Different, you know, Whole Food types of things and got a bit of content that I'll drip feed out and education. Yeah, that'll be up Sue's I do really want to do the like an online course within the pregnancy and preconception that the microbiome stuff specifically so I have done a we did a workshop a while ago, which is very well received. Now, I'd rather just run it again and just film it and then just have that available for paperless. Then they've got all the nine know what it is. It's the specific probiotics are taken and the food is or man, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, that would be for naught that would sell like hotcakes. Yeah. Well like so I'll make it happen at yeah, and there's a human the priorities the getting doing the exercise of it. Yeah. I'm loving the year of Jeremy. Yeah, putting yourself first. I love a man could only yeah. Yeah, just Outsourcing a lot of stuff like a hive. Yeah. Hired someone to do more content creation now and do the writing and that couples. I don't have to invest my time in that that is time-consuming that stuff ahead. He's supposed to think it's kind of I guess you just once you get you just kind of have to you can't I mean it's a bit of a trade of mine, but I see how suppose which is a reflection of some of my gut bacteria live a great set of had in the past, but just having that be now just having the confidence in delegating stuff and not doing everything yourself. It's just I'm just Each year that goes by and kind of loosening the residents rains on that. So now you're just having someone that's writing content. And so yeah, all these bits and pieces. Yeah epic amazing cool and we're can everybody find your on the socials and website drop so you can all put in the show. No sure so the websites holistic like wwo holistic lifestyle i.com and then all the social medias holistic lifestyle last Instagram solicit last I Facebook's holistic lifestyle ER They're the it's pretty much where you'll find me. Yeah on those in through those so the online stores obviously on the holistic lifestyle ER yeah page that is having a little troll through that before. I was just wanting more and more products as we go like I didn't want to put all of it up at once and then end that with heap of orders and then a problem trying to yeah, the place is stuff because we've kind of done the groundwork and kind of figured out bits and pieces how to do it. So now it's just more Let Let it sort of run its course. And Jim date on the van details, but definitely the education stuff will will be the next priority. Yeah, nice one beautiful. I love you work Jeremy. Thanks for taking the time and think so and that is a wrap. Thank you so much for listening. I hope you enjoyed that conversation and Jeremy's got an awesome offer for you guys. So for anybody that wants to check out his fermented fermented food cookbook, then you can get 50% off that so that's at his website. It will include all of that in the show notes and just use the discount code VIP Tully in all caps and you'll get 50% off that if you're willing to just have a look at some ways that you can sort of better your gut health and your overall health and well-being. So definitely had a long followed Jeremy's staff at holistic lifestyle. He's pretty active on Instagram. I follow him over there. And if you haven't already, please take the time to go and leave us a review and the podcast app. Just let us know your thoughts. Let us know what you're enjoying. Let us know what you want to see more of all that feedback is really beneficial. 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Enjoy this insightful conversation that I had with Jeremy Princi, the Holistic Lifestyler. Jeremy is an expert in Health and Wellness has undertaken postgraduate studies in Sports Chiropractic, International Sports Chiropractic, Holistic Lifestyle Coaching (CHEK Institute) & Australian College of Environmental and Nutritional Medicine (ACNEM). We spoke about all things gut health. We explored the link between the gut and mental health, fertility, factors affecting Testosterone production and the impact this can have, living a values aligned life and much much more. If you’re curious or passionate about holistic living, you’ll get a LOT out of this conversation. Key Points: Jeremy’s background Interests in gut health Fermented Foods The types of Jeremy’s clients What is it that interests the blokes The link between gut health and mental health The foundational principles Gut and Conception The dangers of probiotics Issues with young men relating to gut health Testosterone deficiency The Hoffman process Jeremy’s shifts Relevant Links and Website: Jeremy Princi www.holisticlifestyler.com Instagram: @holisticlifestyler Get 50% off Jeremy’s Book “Fermented - The Art and Science to Gut Health”: http://www.holisticlifestyler.com/new-products/fermented-the-art-amp-science-to-gut-health USE CODE: VIPTULLY to claim your 50% off Tully O’Connor Website: www.tullyoconnor.co Instagram: @tullyoconnor Men, join us in The Conscious Locker Room Facebook Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/consciouslockerroom/

Before we get started with today's episode. I just want to say that I really enjoyed recording these podcasts. And if you enjoy listening to them, we both have anchored a Thang. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. First of all, it's free second of all their creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer and anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many more the cool thing is you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It it's everything you need to make a podcast all in one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started this competition a good thing or a bad thing. Let's talk about it. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world indeed. It's the only thing that ever has Margaret Mead. Hi. My name is Ethan and I suffer from bipolar disorder addiction anger issues body dysmorphia and morbid obesity. In fact at my heaviest. I was north of 650 pounds growing up. I never felt comfortable asking for help or being vulnerable. My goal is to create a space where you can feel safe enough to be vulnerable and shake the Negative stigmas that are attached to mental health. Let's be vulnerable and give others the strength to do the same. Let's talk about it. What's going on? Everybody? Let's talk about competition. For those of you that thought this was going to be about sports and what sports I'm following. Unfortunately. I'm going to disappoint you. I don't really follow Sports. The competition I'm talking about is more of the competition that I see in the weight loss world. As you know weight loss is a big part of my life. It is a big part of my journey and I'm a part of the weight loss community on Instagram. I see a lot of Titian some I think is absolutely wonderful and some I think while at face value seems good in my opinion can potentially lead to very very very unhealthy practices. One of the examples of the good competition. Today is December 12th, 2019. So as I'm recording this my friend Dusty Dusty underscore lost underscore 300 on Instagram, I'll link in the show notes my friend Dusty just Released a challenge and he hashtag did Iron Dusty basically what it is if I remember correctly off the top of my head. It is 25 flights on the StairMaster. It is one mile on the treadmill and three miles on the exercise bike. Now. The reason this is a really good challenge in my opinions because my friend Dusty he is reiterated this time and time again on his story when he talks about it. Is this isn't a competition between people this isn't who can be fastest or who can do it the best this is a competition against yourself. It's a Baseline and and dusty is talked about this time and time again, it is a baseline that way three months from now six months from now a year from now, you can do the iron Dusty again and see how much you have improved and then there are competitions like dietbet so But if you don't know what dietbet it is, basically a you bet money that you're going to lose a certain amount of weight in a certain amount of time. And yeah, that sounds great. But gosh I hate diet but and I hate the dietbet community and I hate what dietbet pushes and and encourages. I really genuinely hate it. So I'm looking at the website as we speak. Eek and the first thing in big white letters is make your weight loss bet today a healthy wager can increase your weight loss success and then they have a little calculator see what you can win in Just Three Easy Steps step one play with the calculator below. Okay, so currently without changing anything by Price my potential price range for winnings is five hundred to one thousand three hundred and twenty four dollars. That's if I lose. 30 pounds in nine months betting $50 and I what you thinking 30 pounds nine months. Okay. That's totally doable for most people that's that's a fair bet. So let's play around with the numbers. Let's say Let's say 10 pounds, and I've not done this before. So this is like live as I'm recording this. This is interesting. Like I said, this is live. So okay. It only lets me go if I put 10 pounds lost it only lets me go down to 6 months then how see? I'm curious now. I'm very curious because all the diet bets that I've seen on Instagram are like lose this much in one month. So let's do for Grins and Giggles. Let's say 30 pounds in 6 months. I could win between 700 and 1530 dollars if I bet a hundred and five dollars. So let's go to step 2. What's my gender? I'm a male. What's your current weight? My current weight is 332 pounds at as of this morning and then it comes up with an ad Tessa one five thousand six hundred and ten dollars and lost 87 pounds as a picture of her and a little testimonial. Okay. We'll skip the ad I am 6 foot. Four inches, give or take what is your top motivation for losing weight and it's multiple choice improve physical health increase energy level more self-confidence a pain-free life or other. Hmm. Let's say improve physical health because that's part of it. Another add the average winner loses forty point seven pounds and gets paid one thousand two hundred and $45. This is incredible healthy wage is all about motivation and that it has a little question underneath it. If you had an in red text right to highlight the number again 1245 dollars in your pocket you would and then there's a drop down menu. Go on vacation buy new appliances shop for new clothes pay off debt other. Hmm, I'd go on vacation. I'd like to go on vacation and meet some of you. Oh look another ad motivation science people who bet were five times more likely to hit goal in a randomized control study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association. And then there's a little diagram a bunch of people found success with a weight loss bet and then there is a much smaller list or or number of people that found success on their own and the here's the thing the larger amount of people represented here that found quote unquote. Found success with a weight loss bet is in green the found success on their own is in a very gray and drab color. Your prize is being calculated and then it's as seen on the doctors New York Times Fox News Nightline woman's daily The Wall Street Journal because if something's on all of these things well, then it's definitely good for you. Oh and then I've got my prize and my prize the potential prize that I could earn is blurred. A out right and it looks like it is a 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 6 digit number with a decimal. So we're in the thousands right now underneath it says we promise this is the last step to get a prize offer and then they want my email address and a password. Of course they do. So let's put it in please verify you're not a robot and then instead of a here's here's the funny thing. Here's the trick instead of the button that I'm about to click saying the button saying sign. It says show prize amount. And it you the button goes from green to Gold once you put your cursor on it. I don't know if you guys know about colors and the power that colors have on our psyche but on our subconscious, but colors are a huge thing in this. This website plays a lot with colors. So my potential prize is 1158 dollars and underneath it says invest in yourself and one 1158 dollars in blue the numbers in blue. Your total bet is 630 dollars plus your total profit 528 you could get 80 3.81 return pretty good since most banks only pay 2% interest. Hmm. So they're charging you monthly to host this bet it would It cost me six hundred and thirty dollars 630 dollars and then the profit would be 528. So okay check this out. Your goal is been adjusted must be at least 10% of your body weight. So what's my goal? What's my new goal? Let's hit make my bet review and payment feel great and to have an extra one thousand one hundred and fifty eight dollars in your wallet as soon as June 18th. Mmm. Is it really an extra amount? Okay. All right this wow. This is disgusting. I've actually never been into this website. I have only Built My Hate and disgust from the people that advertise these things on Instagram. So details of your Healthy wager, but 105 dollars a month. Okay. I didn't even realize in the beginning that it was a month. Maybe I wasn't reading that that you'll Way 33 pounds less in six months. Okay, so bet 105 dollars one hundred five dollars a month is in blue text. Everything else is in Black text 33 pounds is in blue. Text six. Is in blue text then it says if you win you'll gain five hundred and twenty eight dollars in blue text just the number. That's a eighty three point eight one percent return on investment. So the 80 3.81 return is in blue text return on investment is in Black in six months blue text. And then in small print don't worry if you need to adjust your weight after you make your bet most people don't know their precise weight. But it has to be 10% Your loss has to be 10% of your total weight. So ready to make your Healthy wager step one lay down your bet you can pay all at once or in monthly installments. Oh, well, that's nice step to lose weight. Have fun losing weight with double incentive. You'll be motivated by the desire to one avoid losing your bet and to win your prize step 3 win money. If you are at or below your goal weight at the end of your challenge you and the money. But if you don't if you if you aren't if you don't hit that goal that $600 or what is it? 630 dollars that 630 dollars is gone. It's gone. I need you guys to understand what's going on right now with this website with this company. This company is betting against you. I'm going to I'm going to say that again this company dietbet and healthy wage. Which is the the company see actual companies from what it looks like that hosts dietbet I guess is betting against you they are betting against your health. You know, it's funny. I originally when I when I started recording this podcast it was going to be about how disgusting it was that all these quote-unquote influencers on Instagram are pushing losing as much weight as you possibly can in the shortest amount of time because We've seen with the Biggest Loser the TV show The Biggest Loser that doesn't work. We've seen with Weight Watchers. That doesn't work. We've seen with anything the faster you lose it usually the faster and more you gain it back. That's just kind of a rule of thumb when it comes to weight loss. But now now this podcast has changed. Oh, you know what? Hmm. That wasn't even dietbet you guys. I'm embarrassed. That was just that was just a different website that hosts is that This is amazing. This is amazing. Hold on I have to okay, so I was actually looking at a different website same same idea though. So that was healthy wage. Now. Here's the thing. I went to Bing and I bing I yeah, I binged if you yeah, I guess dietbet two words. So the first thing that came up was get paid to lose weight personal or team bets. That's the website that we were just on and that's called healthy wage.com. And now here's the disgusting part of all of this. That's the first link if I scroll down to the next link shark tank weight loss product lose up to 27 pounds in three weeks underneath that lose 30 pounds in 21 days 2019. Best diet to lose weight underneath that 2019. Number one shark. Take weight loss lose fat 29 pounds in three weeks and then I wish I would have seen that diet. That diet bet.com setup or join a weight loss challenge. Let's go ahead and look at dietbet while we're here dietbet. Okay, so we are at the dietbet website diet metal better away better company the first thing that dietbet the dietbet website is advertising is that they are a better company. Who cares? Who cares? Right. Oh my gosh. All right. So this diet bet.com is obviously trying to capitalize over the website. We were just at it literally go to their website diet bet.com. The first thing you see on the very top is dietbet in blue. Once again, I've also noticed the dietbet their website designers are playing with color underneath that it says a way better and way better is one word, which means it's the name of something. Company trademarks underneath that we see a picture of someone that quote lost 56 pounds and one 1783 dollars individual results May Vary. Yeah. No duh next to that want to lose 10% Join our weekly transformation dietbet play now starts in fifteen days want to lose four percent. Join our weekly Kickstarter or create your own gameplay now hosts a dietbet start a diet bit with your friends. And family create how it works join the game seven hundred eighty thousand 999 players lose weight 13 million five hundred ninety two thousand four hundred and eighty-one pounds lost when and split the pot 62 million two hundred sixty three thousand two hundred and thirty-five dollars paid to Winners and then there's some testimonials Transformer JumpStart. Twenty transform six thousand dollars in prize is oh, no, these are actually games. These aren't testimonials. So these are games. So this is a Transformer game. Okay, 291 players $35 bet fifty four thousand forty dollars pledged. Let's play the game. Let's see what the rules to this one is BET $35 per month to keep you accountable lose 10% over six months. Okay, so it looks like six months is at least Least amount of time that you can run these bets which I will give it to them six months that could potentially be healthy. You could potentially lose a healthy amount in six months when split the pot with others cool. Our biggest game of the year is here jumpstart your way to a new you and lose 10% in percent in six months. We're giving away a total of six thousand dollars in prizes along the way with 1000 of prizes each. month It's an extra 1,000 per month plus if you win you split with other people. So that's a jump starter that starts on the first course it starts on the first then you have a Kickstarter and the kickstarter the pot is four thousand three hundred and seventy-five dollars a hundred twenty five players 35 $35 bet that one just started. Why wait until January 1st. Let's hold each other accountable through the holidays. Oh, we can't join that. Whoa. Can we? Can we go enjoy that loose 4% 4% over four weeks four percent over four weeks. Okay, let's talk about let's give this some contacts. Okay. So I am 43 percent body fat according to my run fo scale which sure four percent in four weeks. No big deal. If you're twenty percent if you're twenty percent body fat or less you don't much work how much torture you would have to do how much incredibly strict dieting you would have to do to lose a percentage. Of body fat let alone four and four weeks just disclaimer. I'm not a nutritionist or a doctor. I've just been doing this for a really long time. Really long time. Here's another one 465 players 16,000 $275 $35 bet per month for percent for weeks. Are you kidding me? Okay, so I'm going to stop reading through this. What I'm interested in is host a dietbet. Let's create a dietbet friends. Ethan's dietbet start date December 22nd, 2019. Enter bet amount players win 30% more often when they bet at least thirty-five dollars. So we have presets 35 50 75 or other select access type open or invite only let's go $50 and open. Here's what I'm curious about. Here's what I want to know. I want to know I want to know how much hosts make from this. That's what I want to know membership to dietbet dietbet membership with a picture of three girls laughing and having fun in a big old star unlock more ways to lose weight and keep it off more game variety fun bonus workouts healthy eating challenges weekly accountability weigh-ins at with prize giveaways and more one year of membership for less than five dollars a month. Let's become Come on guys, dietbet membership program 12 months get more ways to lose weight with membership unlock our top accountability tools like more game types fun bonus challenges huge prize giveaways each week and effective progress tracking tools with all the supportive Community dietbet already has to offer four dollars and Seventeen cents a month or $50. What are you pay with PayPal that makes it so much easier. What I want to know is how much the hosts make and how much these companies make so let's ask Google. So I Googled how much do dietbet hosts make how much of the pot does dietbet take we want to reward our players with as much money as possible for accomplishing the super impressive task of achieving their weight loss goals, but we also need to keep the lights on over here at way better HQ. Our fees used to pay for transaction costs referees are full-time team and Their company X other company expenses diet bets fee is 10 to 25% of the payout depending on the amount of the initial bet because this is taken out of the gross pot before payout to the winners players who do not win do not incur any fees. Right, but they don't get their money back. So it doesn't say how much the hosts make on that link, but we're going to keep looking. Do host of dietbet make money diet review. Is it a real way to get paid to lose weight who become a dietbet coach. This is under the how do I make money with diabetic become a diet back coach as a diet bet coach you can host games and make extra money for each game. You host the more players you recruit the more money you earn how much money can be made with diabetic apart from the prizes. You can win on average one and a half to two times your bet in the kickstarter program as a Former winner dietbet suggest that you can make at least three hundred and twenty-five dollars for winning all six rounds or a hundred and seventy-five dollars for winning just the final round. Of course playing more games would allow you to make more money added to that as a dietbet coach. You can make an extra five to ten percent of the gross pot for each game. You host. Let's go back to diet beds website. Okay, so winning split the pot 62 million two hundred and sixty three thousand two hundred and thirty-five dollars paid to Winners is what they're claiming 10% of that. I'm assuming I'm assuming that's actually I from the frequently asked questions. That's after they take out 10 to 25% But let's just take 10 percent that's six million two hundred twenty six thousand three hundred and twenty three dollars and fifty cents twenty five percent would be double that plus some so that's we're going to 15 million dollars for hosting a website. That is betting To your health now, here's what I was originally going to talk about. There are influencers on Instagram that host diet beds all the time literally all the time. They constantly have Diet bets hosting and there's one person that I'm thinking of that has over a million followers over a million followers that constantly hosts diet bets. In fact almost every post that this person makes is including dietbet is talking about dietbet. Advertising when the next dietbet is going to be I don't know this person personally, so I'm not going to speak on their character. I can only speak on what I see and what I see is this person Using much like this website using this facade of oh, we want you to be healthy to take your money. These websites are blatantly betting against your health. They are betting on the fact that you can't do it. They are banking on the fact you can't do it and you have these influencers on Instagram and inevitably on Facebook and inevitably on Twitter all these social media platforms that are utilizing this tool utilizing this website that is betting against you and they're making bank. They're making bank and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you win or lose. It doesn't matter if you lose the weight, it doesn't matter. These hosts still get the money. I'm not saying that dietbet doesn't work. There are very competitive people in this world. And if dietbet is a tool that helps you get healthy, then I'm all for it. But here's the problem. If you cannot lose weight without having a dietbet without having a bet without having competition if you cannot get up in the morning and go I'm going to go to the gym for me for my health. I'm going to eat properly for me for my health. If you cannot do that. If you have to rely on this dietbet, then you may want to take a break and to look at what you're doing because that is not healthy. You should be chasing health and everything you do you should be Facing health I encourage everyone to constantly Chase Health. Only Chase Health. The thing is the problem with this specific influencer that I'm talking about that constantly host. These diet bets is that this person has lost a substantial amount of weight. Substantial amount of weight and should be proud of that but one this person lost it in a very very very short period of time and to from a quick glance at their Instagram page. I don't follow them. I don't support them at a quick glance at their Instagram page almost looks like they're starting to gain some weight back which is stereotypical of everyone that loses a substantial amount of weight fast. So this this person is capitalizing on Their weight loss and hear me. I have nothing wrong with capitalizing on your weight loss as long as you are genuinely helping people. I eventually want to be a personal trainer and a big part of my cell is going to be my weight loss. It's going to be myself. It's going to be my journey. I eventually want to be a self-help coach and a big part of my cell is going to be my weight loss is going to be my journey it's going to be this podcast is going to be Instagram. I have no problem with capitalizing on the work that you have put in. I've been I've been working out for 10 years. I've been working out for a decade. If you don't even go to school for that long and then make money and that's okay. That's a beautiful thing about living in America as we can capitalize on things like self-transformation. My problem is this person has over a million followers that are all watching this person encouraged them to lose as much weight as they possibly can as fast as they possibly can right because it's not about just losing that weight. It's about losing more than everyone else because that's what these competitions inevitably lead to but all the while this person is sitting there making money whether you win or not whether you're healthy or not. I hate dietbet. I hate dietbet. I hate anything that looks like dietbet and frankly. I hate the people that encourage others to do dietbet. It is not healthy. Yeah sure. You can lose weight. But what are you doing to your relationship with food? What are you doing to the way you look at Food? What are you doing to your mental health? I hate dietbet. I wasn't expecting going on this entire rant, but I hate I hate. dietbet and listen to me on the off chance that you are someone that hosts diet bets on a regular basis and you encourage people to do this garbage DM me if you really have a problem with what I'm saying, if you feel attacked guess what I'm attacking you DM me come talk to me. I hate dietbet. I hate what it does to people's mental health. We have all this controversy over the Biggest Loser right lose as much weight as you possibly can in the most unhealthy way possible and win money. There was a huge controversy now, they're bringing the show back. I haven't looked into the new show. I'm hoping it's going to be something different. But let's be real. It's for TV. It's not going to be anything different yet. For some reason dietbet can be quiet in the background, even though it encourages exactly the same behavior and exactly the same mentality. I hate diabetic as always if you'd like to get a hold of me. You can find me on Instagram at depressed. The number two determined again, that's depressed too determined. That's the best way to reach me and I will end this one the same way I end all of them. You are beautiful you are worth it. And as long as you are willing to put the work in hope will always be there. Until the next one.

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episode 56 the marriage you want welcome to the first year married podcast where we get real about building the marriage of your dreams. I'm marriage Coach K 11, and I take newly married and engaged women from anxious insecure too confident and connected through practical tips real-life inspiration and more than a little self-awareness along the way. Welcome back. Ladies. Okay, so I tend to look do my personal, you know family and self resolutions on the Jewish New Year, which is Rosh Hashanah, but for my business, I do look at it. According to the regular New Year. I was thinking a lot about 2019 and I was shocked because I logged onto Facebook the other day and in my memories, you know, I like it sends you a video of this time. However long ago it sent me the party where I introduce The first year married podcast, it was just over a year ago and I'm thinking for someone whose business is all about like the first year of marriage you'd think that like my first anniversary something that I would have liked planned for but you know what? I don't actually played for my anniversaries anyways, but maybe that's just being me being authentic. I mean, it just totally broke my head to think that 2019 this podcast I do it every week. This is episode 56. This is just past 1:00. year of podcasting right 52 weeks in a year I can't believe this is only been going on for a year. I really can't we recently passed 40 thousand downloads now for people who have like really big Publishing House type podcasts. Maybe that's not as exciting to me. I want to cry looking at that number. I cannot believe that that many people are resonating with this work are listening to this work are finding something that I hope is helpful for them. I've been so honored in the last year to get to meet some of you You email me? You send me private messages on Instagram. You send me messages on my website. Sometimes. I feel like I'm I'm expanding this this network. I'm getting to know you the biggest thing that just totally baffles me is when your sisters reach out to me, right because you told them about the podcast and they've been listening to and then they join our little Community that's a little and then their friends that get hooked and just being able to introduce this work, which I am so so passionate about and I See in my own life how I've no idea where I'd be today. If I didn't have this work. It has allowed us to achieve so many of our personal goals. So many dreams it's and it's just such an honor to be able to share it with all of you and to get to know you. So thank you so much all of you for giving me that opportunity. If 2019 was the year of the podcast 2020 is going to be the year of our brand new group coaching program. I feel like what I'm hearing from you is that we have so many people now have been listening long enough that they really get what salt work is a lot of women who've been through the first year married online course, and so they have a lot of that information about understanding how men and women are functioning differently and communicating differently and thinking differently and motivated differently and oh it's just so so different the next natural step for me and for you is to take this work and to really be able to dive deep and apply it right. To be able to get the coaching that takes it from that intellectual inspiration into real on the ground happening in your life. Seeing the changes achieving those dreams and just so beyond excited as you can probably tell to be able to move this direction because this is really the next step for you for me. Here's the thing about coaching on your marriage improving. Your marriage doesn't just it's not just like a great idea. First of all improving. Her marriage is a great idea. You're going to be married to this person for the rest of your life, please God and let's make that awesome. Let's not make that manageable. I think sometimes we forget and we get scared to dream and that's why I actually switch that the headline for my website, too. Are you ready for happily? After because I was like, you know, what what if we open our minds to like what if this could be what if I could look at my husband and be like that is the love of my life. I'm telling you. It's really possible because that's how I feel and it's not because of who you picked. That's what we're going to talk about in today's episode. But in addition to working on your marriage being so powerful. It's also I think the very best place to work on thought work which is all of this model stuff that I've been. Teaching you that I got for my coach Brooke Castillo in our marriages. Our thoughts are so raw. Everything has escalated and when you can apply thought work in your marriage, it's a piece of cake pretty much everywhere else in your life. Okay, so it's just such a great place to start. So I want to start by telling you a little bit about this group coaching program. So, you know what it is, you know how to get into it and then we're going to talk about to these topic which is the marriage you want. Okay. So here's the very first thing about the group coaching program, which is that it is not just for newlyweds. The majority of you are not actually in your first year of marriage and it it's kind of fun for me to think that some of you have left your first year of marriage while you were listening to this podcast. That's kind of cool. So while this podcast is going to stay the same because I have such at least for now. I have such a strong place in my heart for newlyweds. I think for the group coaching program and need your ideas if you guys can send in your ideas. I want to hear I think we should name the group coaching program because I don't think it should be called the first year married group coaching program. So many of you that are ready to work more on this on this material are not in your first year of marriage and we're going to be talking much more generally than the specific program and those first-year topics that you see in the course. So that's number one. It is not just for newlyweds. It's for any woman who wants to take this material deeper and apply it in her life. There's also a monthly Focus video which means each month. You're going to get a video for me about a specific. Vic coaching topic that's going to go much more in depth than I'm able to do on this podcast. So that way instead of sort of feeling like there's all these different things going on and how do I improve it? We can focus on one area at a time. Now, you don't have to do every month to be in the program. Sometimes you're going to choose to do one month and the next month. You might want to focus on something else and that's fine. This is just there for those who want it and who find it useful. There's also going to be worksheets and journal pages so that it really really helps you to you know, even though we know we can just write down a model sometimes having those prompts. Can help us get those thoughts out of our brains onto the paper and then we can really work on them. There are also twice monthly calls right now. Those calls are at 9 p.m. Israel time 2 p.m. Eastern time on Sundays not every Sunday. It's twice a month. Those are group coaching calls where I'm going to have you come on and I'm going to coach you just like if we were in a one-on-one session. It's amazing to be coached. If you haven't been coached before this is a great way to get started. It's also amazing to watch someone else be coached because it really helps you understand how to apply this material. Sometimes it's easier to actually It happening with somebody else because to us our thoughts still feel so true but on someone else you're like well, yeah, okay obviously can see how that's just a thought and then we're also going to have a private WhatsApp group so that that way questions about the monthly Focus or questions that for someone who can't come on to the call can be answered but we're all going to benefit most importantly. How do you get in to this group coaching program to get into the group coaching program? All you have to do is go onto first year. Mary.com forward slash course Co you are? R SE and get the first year married online course that course you will have lifetime access to that material. As soon as you register, you get the course forever and the private Facebook Community if you choose to use it that course has all the fundamental materials that you really need to be able to do the group coaching calls, right? It's where you really learn about the model in-depth it's where you learn about a lot of the gender differences. That's where you learn about resentment and burnout and self-care. So all of Core material is in there and I want to make sure that anyone who's in group coaching has access to all of that because we're going to be referring to it a lot. But you get with the course three months of group coaching totally free. This is also retroactive for everyone who's already done first year married, and if you haven't gotten my email for you reach out to me Kayla at first year mary.com because I need to make sure that you get your three months because anytime I add something to the program as you know, I always give it to the people who've already in the past taken it. So that's super exciting for me also. So I just want to say as a side note to be able to work with you again Beyond thrilled. It's like I feel like my old friends are coming back when I see register so you if you haven't done first year married before all you have to do is you go on You by the first you married online course, you get three months of group coaching automatically included because I want you to have time to get on and be coached when you're learning all this material and it takes you six weeks to get through the program you have three months of coaching and if you decide to continue, we're starting off group coaching at only $30 a month. For some of you money feels very tight and getting one-on-one coaching can be a struggle. This is my way of trying to make it accessible for as many people at a realistic price point as possible. So I'm really excited about being able to do that. I don't think that where you are financially should determine your mental awareness and self care and health and how much you're enjoying your marriage. So I'm really excited for that. By the way. I also want to say that I've started to have more people get first year married as a gift so I know for most of us, We already just did the gift season. But if you have an outstanding gift or you're getting married and you want a wedding gift suggest it to someone if you think that's about the range of what you think somebody wants to offer you. I personally love getting online courses for presents. They are no clutter and they make my life better. So so I suggest that to you if you are trying to figure out how to get the money to pay for the course. That's one great way to do it. Okay. So those are the details again to sign up for the for the group coaching program. You haven't done first year married yet. All you have to do is buy the first you married course and you will be automatically registered for three months of group coaching after those three months. When you decide to continue, you don't have to cancel. I don't take your credit card for that you'll then enroll in group coaching after three months. Okay. Those are the details. Okay. So I'm so excited to see you in there. Let's talk today about the marriage that you want. Here's what I'm hearing a lot and I and and here's what I would have said 10 years ago. I'm fine. I'm normal. I have my my pros and icons. My husband is fine. He's actually a good guy people tell me he's a good guy. I knew he was a good guy could even tell you the things that are great about him. So why do I want to get divorced right or even for some people wear divorce is like not even within the realm of consideration like why why am I now going to be miserable for the rest of my life, or why does he make me so crazy sometimes? Or how do I get him to stop doing that thing? That just drives me nuts or makes me feel so resentful and why is he so insensitive? For other women it's more about themselves. Right? Like they're not showing up how they want but they're getting into a funk or they're being really mean and they feel disgusting about that. They have this imaginary wife in their mind. The one who always has a clean house and makes delicious meals. I don't care how feminist you are. This wife shows up and she is Betty Crocker for all of us. She also never gets angry and she always feels loving and she's probably extremely attractive right even if intellectually we know that that's all ridiculous. We still feel shame for not measuring up to her. So therefore what ends up happening since we know intellectually that that's ridiculous. We then don't have any barometer At All by which to sort of Judge ourselves in a productive way and to see am I happy with how I'm showing up so half of you it's sort of in the like husband around I would say probably more than half I'd say that's 80 percent and then the rest of you it's in the self realm, it's the I had these dreams for who I was going to be how I was going to be as a wife and it's not happening and I don't know what to do. I'm trying to use more self-control. It's not working. Here's the thing those of you who've been listening for a while know this those of you who haven't stick with me. Now. I'm going to just give my caveat one time for this episode, which I give all the time, which is that this material is not healthy or productive for people who are in an abusive relationship or whose husbands or themselves have severe personality disorders that are not being treated. Okay, that's my disclaimer. Now, we're going to move forward. If you're not in that category this applies to you. Here's the thing if you've been listening to this podcast, Cast for a while, you know this if you are new stick with me, okay, if your marriage is making you unhappy it's because of what you think about your marriage because here's the thing. Where's your marriage? Right like show it to me deliver it to my door. You can't it's not a physical thing. I think I talked about this a lot and one of the recent episodes. Your marriage is not a thing that can make you unhappy if you're unhappy in your marriage as we know always. And I'm going to give you examples of this. It's because of what you're thinking about it and that isn't to say that that doesn't make you feel really authentically bad. You can feel terrible. I really thought that my marriage was not going to make it sometimes when I was first married. I really questioned. What am I going to do is a single person as a new divorcee. How am I going to survive like that? So I get it I get how hard those thoughts are I get how true it all feels so stick with me and I'm going to give you some examples. When we moved to Israel, my husband kept his American job. Okay in many ways. This is phenomenal. One of the things that we knew would happen. Is that for sure at night when I'm doing the evening routine and bedtime and everything we have for young children or oldest is 9 when I'm doing that whole routine. I'm completely on my own. We also knew that much of the time he wasn't going to be available in the morning because by the time the kids get to school. If he's going to get any decent amount of sleep, he's still going to be asleep by the time they leave so that's morning and evening routines, which are if you ask anyone objectively, right? They sent this sounds very true objectively the hardest time of the day. Has it ever occurred to you that you could question if that's even true. Maybe it's not the hardest time that maybe it's the best right but like no everyone told us. These are the hard times. Yeah, they're exhausting and totally overwhelming and they don't go well. Okay, so that has to be like that so I knew going in and we decided to move with this as a reality that mornings and evenings. I would be on my own with all the kids. And I noticed that even though I decided this intellectually that I was feeling totally exhausted. I would actually say the word would be burned out like really burned out every time like by the time they got to school and by the time they got to bed totally burned out and sometimes resentful either angry at them for not listening to everything. I was saying or angry at my husband because he was still sleeping or because he was in a meeting really not resentful about him being a meeting, but for sure in the morning like even though I want him to get the Leave and I know he needs the sleep. He sleeping working really hard. But here's the thing we had picked. This is the schedule. It was intentional. I have chosen it. So you would think that like I would feel good about it, but that's not how we work as human beings. So even though I had had a thought this is a good idea. This is what I want. This is the life that I want for my family. It's not the thought I was operating in because this is exactly what I wanted does not make you feel burned out and resentful you hear that so when I saw How much I was feeling these negative feelings and I saw like what was happening so my kids are going to bed and I'm like, I for sure need a glass of wine to relax right? That's buffering. That's like I can't handle all my feelings and what's going on. So I'm going to reach for the sugar also did that right? Again? It's because I'm not able to manage my own thoughts. So now I'm taking something external to make me feel better. So none of those things would happen if the thought was this is exactly what I wanted, right so I had to stop and think like what's going on in my head Right and a lot of what was going on was exactly what I said that this is really hard. This is too hard for one person to do on their own. This is why husbands come home or bedtime and don't leave until after kids go to school isn't that hilarious? Because that's what I was thinking even though. I know that that's not true for the majority of families. I decided to look at it. Not just from this is what I picked because that could leave me was sort of feeling like well and then I made a big mistake, right? So I decided to look at it fresh. Look how I'm acting. Okay, like I'm burned out I'm not being productive as soon as they go. Bad because I'm so tired. I don't move on to the next thing in my day when they go to school because I just feel like I need to recover. Okay. So how am I feeling super burned-out super resentful? What was I thinking this is impossible for one person to do on their own. So what was really happening when I had that thought remember your brain always takes you very very literally. So if I'm having the thought this isn't possible for one person to do on their own. My brain is in panic mode like, oh my gosh. This isn't possible not like we say like this isn't possible. And it's like this is really hard and I have to get through it. But your brain is like we're gonna die. You're doing something that's not possible. That doesn't add up. It's like a computer right that doesn't have like any concept of slang or or a turn of the phrase or ways of saying things right? It's like this. This program is broken you're doing something but it's not a possible thing. We have to like immediately like Panic. So how am I panicking and like, well he needs to be waking up right now because I'm this is terrible and I'm feeling so horrible and all these different things right where They coming from was coming from me going. This is now possible for one person to do on their own. So I decided to look at that thought just noticing that alone was enough just having the awareness is 90% Obviously everyone wants to switch over to the one where everything is wonderful and peaches and rainbows and unicorns but having the awareness then allowed me to go. You know, what? Wow, look how exhausted I just made myself. I don't even know how tiring it is for me to do the morning and evening routine because I was putting so much energy into the drama that I don't even know how much energy was actually spent on just the baths and the lunches and the carpool. I've no idea because I'm spending the whole time with like this shouldn't be like this there needs to be a solution. He needs to stop what he's doing and we need to fix it and all of this mind drama which is of course super exhausting. Is my burnout coming from it was coming from that thought. So this morning I decided to try on a different thought which was this is the best way to do it. Now. I've been doing thought work for a long time so somehow like my brains become a little bit more flexible and I can often just change the thought I wasn't able to do that for a long time when I started doing that work, but then I was like well, yeah totally it's right as soon as I said it in a new way. I was my brain was like it's totally the best way to do it. It's way easier to do this on my own then if he was here if he was You'd be talking to me. I couldn't focus on the kids some days. He'd be able to do five things. But some days he'd only be able to do one thing because maybe something would come up. Oh my gosh. I'm so glad he's not involved way easier you here. So even if I'm physically tired from the picking up in the changing and the dressing in the whatever. I'm not burned out. You don't get burned out from physical tiredness, right? You feel great and feel physically tired go for an amazing hike out in nature you come home. Home, you're not burned out. You're like rejuvenated. You're just tired just need to sit down. Okay, so this is my new thought that I'm trying and I think it was like a good way of illustrating this for you in a way. That's a little more separate. I'm specifically using children because I wanted to start with you on something that you don't directly relate to and those of you who do then okay. There you go. Let's move on to another one. Okay, here's one that comes up constantly, which is the feelings that come up when your husband isn't helping and the way that you feel like he needs to okay. So here are some of the thoughts right if he'd only be more involved I'd be fine or if you just do what I needed or if you would just tell me to get to bed when I'm obviously exhausted and falling apart. Like why doesn't he just tell me go to bed? So a big part of this with the husband not helping and it seems less connected than it is but really really is is that this is this new phenomenon that I've been noticing more and more with my clients, which is we lose the self-preservation gene like at the ceremony and I don't I don't blame Hollywood for this one. I actually don't I don't I don't I think there must be something deeper to this one, but maybe I'm wrong but so many women as soon as they get married they feel like he should see if he cared he would then be Telling them how to take care of themselves. He would be like delivering her water when she's thirsty and it's funny because when I'm like, okay, but like when's the last time you saw he was thirsty and delivered water and they're like, well not ever I don't do that. So very fascinating because it's really various. It's a very strong thing. It's very common very very normal and yet intellectually were like, why am I doing this? Okay. So let's say you decide you're going to cook this delicious dinner for the two of you so you feel I don't know. Maybe it's been mac and cheese for too many nights or even eating out and you want to like make something really nice. It's going to make you really feel like a total awesome wife. So you leave work early, even though you actually have a lot of things on your to-do list at work and you would really feel much better. Mentally if you stayed in finish a few things up you slap yourself out to the store you get all the ingredients from this fancy Pinterest recipe that you found you go slave in the kitchen, you're starving of course and haven't had any water and you probably need to go to the bathroom because now it's already 8 p.m. By the time this is happening. He's coming three times to sniff around and sort of try and get an idea of like what's happening over here in the kitchen his most recent field trip to the kitchen he or let's say he's even been there helping you. It doesn't matter now. He reaches into the cabinet and he takes out a box of crackers you opens up the fridge grab some peanut butter sits down on the couch to eat them. Oh my now you are fuming. No thought actually goes through your head that you can identify usually sometimes but you might not even notice it you're fuming you are so mad. You are so resentful. Full he is the worst human being you've ever met. This is proof. You thought maybe he was insensitive but now for sure, okay. So what's happening here? What is literally happening in the situation you are cooking. I'll give you that. You're literally cooking and your husband is eating. That's all that happened. But when you tell it to me, you're like my husband didn't care about my cooking. So he just went in eight even though he can see how hard I'm working. That's what you sort of feel like is like this is what's literally happening. So like how should I how should I not be angry when that's what's happening. How could I not be hurt when he's eating when he can see how hard I'm working and he just doesn't care if he cared about me. I wouldn't be hurt. Okay, but do you hear how much gets added there you're adding that stuff in but All your interpretation of what happened what really happened you're cooking. He's eating that's it. Everything else all the drama all the frustration. Those are your thoughts about what's happening. So if you're honest, these are generally pretty colorful your thoughts. He's so insensitive. He's so uncaring. This is just proof. How could anyone be so disgusting? Like we really can get like kind of dramatic, okay. Fine, that's when you are telling me because when I work with coaching clients, what I have you do is just tell me what happened. I don't have you try and do all of us. You don't need to do the whole model when you're talking to me. You just tell me this is what happened when you tell me you're not like well I was cooking and he was eating so I'm curious this right you're like I was slaving in the kitchen and he just didn't even care and he's like so offensive. I'm so offended, right? We like to be offended. That one's a good one. So, how is she feeling? She's feeling Furious right now. She is fuming like steam is coming from the ears. So what does she do? Okay, if you were me in the first year of marriage, here's what I would have at least heavily fantasized about I don't think I ever did this exactly but I for sure considered it. I wanted to do something really dramatic like this. Like I would have liked taking the whole dinner the whole pan thrown it straight into the garbage in his face said something very witty and clever about how horrible he is and then grab my wallet and stayed in a hotel overnight. What I actually would have done with something like slam the spatula into the frying pan or burst into tears. Okay. What's the result? Is like you're Furious what you want to do you are going to lash out because that's what we do in your theories. Even if you're only lashing out at yourself or no one can see lashing out. That's generally an action that comes from being Furious and then what happens usually your husband's totally baffled, right? And then you your whole thing was he's totally insensitive and doesn't care about me. So now like he's going to be like, whoa, let me give you know, the fire-breathing wife a little space. So then he's going to seem even less sensitive and less scary also notice how totally insensitive your being I hope it was sudden, like totally freaked you out that I just said that but the guys hungry he didn't decide you should make this really fancy meal anyone see dinner already. He wanted you two hours ago. So finally he's like, I've got a solution. I'll have a snack now and then I don't have to bother her and she could take as much time as she wants, right. Okay, this is also when we start to feel this is another one. I hear a lot emotionally unsafe. I'm not I don't feel sick. I don't feel safe in my marriage. I hear that one. A lot of you and that's when the you need to remember your brain takes you so literally so if you're if you're staying he's a monster then your brain is like help we're stuck in a house with a monster. We are stuck with this marriage contract with a monster. This is terrible. So these thoughts can feel like very in it like fine. I'm just being dramatic. But again your brain takes you very literally and then your brain is like well as long as he's a monster we need to get out and then we're like, oh wow. This is a really emotionally unsafe place to be Yeah, but he's just eating crackers on the couch. Okay, so this is all about awareness. I know it really feels like he's the problem. I know. It feels like if look the obvious solution feels like at least in theory if I could just switch him out for a newer model. I'd be fine. Let's just get the other guy. He's not working because I'm look how miserable I am. We look to our feelings as an indicator of how well the marriage is going, but your feelings are only an indicator of how well you are managing your thoughts. Here's the thing for those of you who are considering divorce. Wherever you go, there you are. So even if you do ultimately down the line make a choice to end this marriage, I'll give you that that's an option people do divorce that is a reality in our world, but don't do it because you haven't taken responsibility for your own feelings. You're just going to end up married to a different person who is also a monster because your misery right now your frustration your resentment is all coming from what's going on in your brain and that's going to go with you and to any relationship any Any situation that you're in? Don't do it because your brain is just running wild and you're not paying attention. When we take a second to look this is the big step. I want you guys to take this week. Even those of you who've been listening for a long time and doing this work for a long time. I want you to step back and go. Okay. What's the story? I'm telling what's happening right now and describe it with all your colorful language. Put it down on paper with a pen or pencil. He was such a jerk when he didn't, you know, when he came and he got a snack or he did it out who you didn't pick me up. When he said he was going to whatever write it all down. And then after you've gotten it all down on paper, I want you to write what was the literally happening in that situation cooking crackers, right and look at the two of them and notice how worked up we can get ourselves. with the interpretation you have to have that awareness. You have to be able to see what you're doing yourself right how much you're affecting your emotional life before you can take the next step to thinking new thoughts because when you don't see that then you're like, oh, you're just telling me to just like it when my husband's being totally insensitive. How am I supposed to like that? How am I supposed to be fine with that? Right? That's what you think is happening. So I'm not telling you that that's not what's Happening Here. What's Happening Here is you're still putting insensitive as the literal facts on the ground and until you do enough work of separating out what I think is happening and then what's literally happening and noticing all those thoughts and how they're making you feel and how they're making you show up and how they are running the show. Only after you've done that work, can you then start to step in and go? Okay. Well if I realize that he's actually not insensitive. So I realize it all that's happening is he's eating crackers. So what do I want to think about my husband eating crackers and then it's all available to you so many amazing thoughts are available to you about your husband and how self-sufficient he is and how you're so happy that he chooses crackers and peanut butter over like, you know, some really junky Cheetos type snack it's available, but you have to first separate out get out of the brain get into what's happening get on the paper do that work. Okay, my dear friends our first call for the group coaching program is going to be January 12th, two P. M-- Eastern 9 p.m. Israel time that is also the deadline to get in for January coaching. And again as soon as your registered at first year married at the course forced to marry.com for / course, you will get enrolled I have to do it. So it might take a day you will get enrolled in the group coaching program. We're going to be taking this material this is it the marriage you want, but I have so much more to share with you. We're going to be taking this material going to be diving into it the whole month. In January you are going to have such a better feeling such a better handle on this work. You're going to start to really see it in your life. You're going to start to see the changes in your life. I'm so excited for you. So don't wait. Don't hesitate go over to first year. Mary.com forward slash course sign of right now. I cannot wait to see you on the inside. Bye. Bye.

2019 was the year of the podcast at First Year Married (we passed 40k!!!). I’ve been honored to meet you, to have your sisters and friends get hooked, to introduce this work I’m so passionate about. Thank you everyone!! 2020 is going to be the year of group coaching. It’s time to take this work and really dive deep and apply it. Improving our marriages improves every area of our life, and it’s the best place to work on this thought work, which is then a piece of cake to apply elsewhere in our lives. Group Coaching Details: NOT just for newlyweds (and therefore I need name ideas) Monthly focus video Worksheets and journal pages Twice monthly calls Whatsapp group Sign up at FirstYearMarried.com/course -- all participants get 3 months of group coaching for free, then can continue on from there! Here's what I hear... My husband is great but still want a divorce I don't want a divorce, but he drives me crazy I'm not showing up how I want, I get in a funk or I'm mean I'm not measuring up to the wife I have in mind, the one who always has a clean house, makes delicious meals, never gets angry, always feels loving -- even if intellectually I know that’s all ridiculous Here’s the thing. If you are unhappy in your marriage it's ALWAYS because of your THOUGHTS. Example: husband not helping "If he’d only be more involved... if he’d do what I needed... if he’d tell me to get to bed when I’m obviously falling apart..." So let’s say you cook a delicious dinner. You leave work even though you’d rather stay and finish a few things up, shlep to the store, get all the ingredients from this fancy Pinterest recipe you found, slave in the kitchen, you’re starving because now it’s already 8 PM and he’s come in three times to sniff around… and now he reaches into the cabinet and takes out a box of crackers and sits down on the couch to eat them. Now you’re fuming, you’re resentful, what’s happening here? You're cooking, and he's eating. That's it. This is all about awareness. It really does feel like he’s the problem, I know. And the obvious solution is -- at least in theory -- to switch him out for a newer model. But here’s the thing-- wherever you go, there you are. So even if you ultimately make a choice to end the marriage, even if I give you that, don’t do it because you haven’t taken responsibility for your own feelings. Don’t do it because your brain is running wild and you aren’t paying attention.

the edge of Wonder presents contact in the desert 2018 Special guests featuring Billy Carson. Hey guys, this is Rob from edge of Wonder. I'm here with Billy Carson. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? My name is Billy Carson, and I'm the author of The compendium of the emerald tablets. You can get it on Forbidden Knowledge.com with the number four. Also. I am on Gaia TV on deep space season one and two also ancient civilizations and I'm here talking about space anomalies and also the enumerate alishan the Seven Tablets of Creation. So he's an expert on ancient civilizations and we're going to ask him some questions about basically what the weirdest thing he saw is so Billy tell us what's the weirdest things that you found in ancient civilizations that you know, I think what I'm most interested in is what dates humans back much further than what the current scientific you know line is telling us right now. I think the most interesting discovery that I've made or a knock would have to say it's a theory because obviously nothing could be completely proven, but it appears that the Great Sphinx. in the Great Pyramid of Giza are about 36,000 years old, maybe even a little bit more and that I'm basing that on The Emerald Tablets the throat and after I've gone extensively through them and discovered that they were written about 36,000 years ago and endureth claims to have built the Great Pyramid, but at the same time the Sphinx itself as but now known to have a lot of weathering and the weathering is leading to a lot of non mainstream archaeologists to say maybe the last ice age but because it aligns with the constellation of Leo if you go Two more professional periods you write at 36,000 years at the same time their thoughts claims to have built the Giza Great Pyramid. And also at the time where everything is perfect in terms of peace and tranquility and the ability to what he calls bring civilization back up in The Emerald Tablets to a higher level. So I'm really thinking that the the Sphinx itself is probably in the Great Pyramid on Jesus probably about thirty six thousand years old. Tell me Billy. What does that actually do to us as a oh ization understanding that that the pyramid was built 30 to 6,000 years ago. Well, it tells us that we've Fallen when I went to the last moment to Egypt was May of 2014 and I went to Socorro and I went to those pyramids car and some of the structures that Sakura and I noticed that the quality of the construction the further back you go is better and as you come closer into the future everything becomes more worse or it falls apart or it can't withstand. I'm and I'm starting to realize now, even when I went to up into the grand gallery of the Great Pyramid and really sort of analyzing the structure going into the king's chamber analyzing the fact that I still today can't put a human hair into between the granite blocks and the King's chamber in the Great Pyramid and realizing that we have literally been a an advanced civilization here on this planet that has fallen apart due to probably some type of ancient war or maybe a cataclysm or maybe a combination of both and now we're in the rebuilding process. Is trying to ReDiscover everything is the rediscovery at this point everything from the metric system to construction techniques to technology to even this microphone that we're using right now. Everything has already existed here and we're trying to find our way back to that high level again, that's amazing. So you mentioned that you're not even able to stick a piece of hair between the stones and the pyramid right? It's very difficult even for us right now to be able to have technology at that level. What does that what do you think from your findings? Does that tell us about those that Civilization well, Civilization was extremely truly Advanced. They had tools that we don't have today as a matter of fact at Abu simbel when I went there that was actually built much lower in that area and we actually took it apart block by block and moved it up so that we can build a dam so they can build a dam actually over there because they needed a damn when they put it back and try to realign it to where the sun aligns perfectly with the chamber that illuminates the Gods on the inside and they couldn't do it. There were about 5 degrees off with our Vance technology today, we still couldn't duplicate with the Ancients did so what's that? What that's telling me is that basically we've got to find a way to really figure out what types of tools they were using because if we can tap into that we might be able to get into things like Zero Point Energy, you might be able to get into different types of anti-gravity levitation type devices frequency devices devices that can generate frequencies that can actually create matter out of The Ether like folk talks about The Emerald Tablets. All these different types of technologies that were stripped out of a lot of these ancient sites including all the apex of the pyramid the gal of the grand gallery of the Great Pyramid stripped clean of technology and other ancient sites were completely buried with sand and other places because they were really hiding it from us. Wow. So, okay. So technology was was extremely Advanced are there any other civilizations that you found in your findings that were extremely advanced? One civilization art found so far is not even on Earth. That's extremely Advanced and that would be on Mars. We've downloaded now probably close to a million images from NASA the Indian space agency Russian space agency and the European space agency and now China as well and we've cataloged about 50,000 anomalies. These are things that are out of place with the surrounding. Terrain. We meaning the United Family of anomaly Hunters this a group of us 14 of us and some of these anomalies have made international news Mars we discovered has had a You should have high level technology higher than us where we are right now on Earth at this particular day and age and also some signs of having ancient technology. So it's a combination of both whether some of it is was like that because part of the planet was destroyed at some point and try to make another comeback like we're on a track to and those other old ancient remnants there because if you go to Giza right now with ground-penetrating radar, you'll find you'll find hundreds of structures underneath the saying right now that are dilapidated broker down collapse buried structures the same thing. To happen on Mars and just could be exposed when all the mud in the water to flood flew over the land because it was a global flood there maybe even twice but there are some structures that are still standing and some other objects that appear to be highly technologically advanced even more than some of the things we have here when I say that I'm talking about things that look like and I can't say this or they're all but I think that look like hovercraft and so forth that you wouldn't we don't have here at this particular moment in time. We sorely need we sorely need him. We saw the need him. So why? Why would they have those things? Well, I think it was a concurrent civilization running both on Earth and Mars at the same time and according to the Sumerian Tablets. There were these EG working-class Anunnaki people that were working in mining the planet Mars resources and actually came to battle against the kings of Earth and Lil an Inky because of the work later and labor load that they were being put under was too strenuous and they weren't getting any relief and so at some point they literally were going to go to battle and have a coup and then that's when N NK says in the emerald in the Sumerian Tablets that we will genetically modify the existing Hamid on this planet basically to make a slave race to do the work force and relieve your workload and that was agreed upon and so that's when they disconnected in my opinion the existing hominid which would bring us in ancient times, but probably more connected spiritually and probably even more advanced spiritually with nature and gave us a junk DNA and now turn us into mental slaves and working slaves what we still are currently today. That's a lot of stuff is all of this stuff on your website. There's a lot of information on my website Forbidden Knowledge.com with the number four. Also my Instagram account. I've got many Instagram account if you just type in Forbidden Knowledge and Google a lot of my data will come up my information will come up I even got songs written about it on iTunes and and everywhere else. So you can just Google Forbidden Knowledge and it'll come up everywhere. That's awesome. So, please tell us about your book to you because you just came out with a book right here. The book is based on the animal Tablets of Thoth now Thoth was in Thien it was basically was an intern Aki and Atlantis I've discovered now is a global civilization was a global civilization and not only that but it might have been interplanetary. So I really start digesting these tablets and discovered that there's UFOs. There's ray guns. There's Advanced building techniques. There's frequency technology that can generate matter out of The Ether. All these things are in there. I said, I've got to break this down for people and a lot of esoteric. Wisdom regeneration Chambers how to go into a chamber and and regenerate your body how to create new avatars biological avatars to transfer your Consciousness into a new Avatar. All of this is inside the Emerald Tablet. So a lot of people couldn't really understand on break it down or related to technology. So I went and I broke it down. I related to technology and also showed how other religions have taken pieces of it to make other different religions out of The Emerald Tablets based off of seeking the light and getting away from darkness and everything else and then put it in a way where people can digest it, and hopefully they'll get a better understanding and and also see that there was a very Advanced civilization here that came they call themselves the sons of Atlantis. They didn't call themselves God's we end up giving them the name God's after they left. We deified them Carson. It's fascinating stuff man. So people can find more information about this by going to Forbidden Knowledge.com, right? Okay, so that actually wraps it up with Billy Carson here Billy. Thanks so much for your thank you. I appreciate you guys. Okay and until the next time we'll see you. On the edge. Hey everyone, this is Billy Carson also known as Forbidden Knowledge. I'm very excited that I set up my brand new podcast on the anchor dot f m platform yet. Check it out guys a n CH o r dot f m you can set up a free podcast on there with no hosting fees. You can monetize your podcast. You can create libraries. If you don't want to record live you can edit them and then upload the audio. It's an amazing platform and I recommend if you're interested in getting into podcasting checkout anchored on FM Hey everyone, this is Billy Carson. Also known as Forbidden Knowledge if you haven't done, so please check out my book compendium of The Emerald Tablets. It's currently a best-seller on amazon.com. You can look it up compendium of The Emerald Tablets by Billy Carson in this book. I break down the metaphysical quantum physics esoteric wisdom of Thoth the Atlantean this information was written eons ago, and I've taken my time to break down all of the information in a way that everyone can understand. It so please check it out compendium of The Emerald Tablets. If you enter learning about the true ancient history and ancient civilizations. You have to read my book.

My book is a Best Seller on Amazon. Quotes from notable people about my book: "I am so impressed with your work and your research. It was a pleasure." - Erich Von Daniken, Best Selling Author "Chariots Of The Gods" and Television Host. "Today, Billy Carson brings to our community, the Compendium of the Emerald Tablets. Finally, we are able to dive deeper into the meaning of what Thoth really intended for us to know, to explore and discover what is truly important about ourselves and the world around us." - Jimmy Church, JimmyChurchRadio.com, iHeart Radio and Coast To Coast AM. I will lead you on a journey that will delve into the history of the Emerald Tablets and the secret mysteries contained within these cryptic artifacts.As we begin, it is important for you to know that The Emerald Tablets were written by an ancient being known as Thoth the Atlantean. To date, there have been two manifestations of the Emerald Tablets. First, thousands of years ago Thoth created multiple tablets of text and then concealed the location of these ancient tablets. Second, Thoth chose to incarnate as Hermes the Thrice Great. As Hermes, he carried a single Emerald Tablet.What to Expect In the first two chapters of this book I will provide information so you can understand and validate for yourself the role of extraterrestrials in our history. I will also offer evidence as to how Thoth the Atlantean was influential in our development as humans. Chapters 3-17 contain the words of Thoth as translated by the American, Dr. Michael Doreal. Doreal's translation often uses stanzas-a grouping of lines used in poetry. I have kept this format to make it easy for you to recognize when the words of Thoth begin and when they end. In each chapter, I add information and commentary to further express the meaning I find in the writings of Thoth.

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We are going to be diving into chapter 13 of the power of awareness by Neville. So if you've got the book, you can go ahead and follow along if you don't have the book go ahead and visit the archived on our website where we have a full copy of the power of awareness for you to read for free and that's archived on reality hacker dot CEO. Let's get started chapter 13 acceptance. Man's perceptions are not bounded by organs of perception. He perceives more than sense though ever so acute can discover. However much you seem to be living in a material world. You are actually living in a world of imagination the outer physical events of life or the fruit of Forgotten Blossom times results of previous and usually forgotten states of consciousness. They are the end running true to oft times forgotten imaginative Origins. Whenever you became completely absorbed in an emotional state, you are at that moment, assuming the feeling of the state fulfilled and if persisted in whatsoever, you are intensely emotional about you will experience in your world. These periods of absorption of concentrated attention are the beginnings of the things that you harvest. It is in such moments that you are exercising your creative power. The only creative power that there is At the end of these periods or moments of absorption you speed from these imaginative states where you have not been physically to where you were physically and instant ago in these periods. The imagined state is so real that when you return to the objective world and find that it is not the same as the Imagine state. It is an actual shock. You've seen something in imagination with such vividness that you now wonder whether the evidence of your senses can now be believed and like Keats you asked was it a vision or a waking dream fled? Is that music? Do I wake? Where do I sleep? This chakra versus your time sense by this. It's meant that instead of your experience resulting from your past it now becomes the result of being in imagination where you have not yet been physically in effect. This moves you across a bridge of incident to the physical realization of your imagined State the man who at will can assume whatever state he pleases has found the keys to the kingdom of heaven the keys are desire imagination and Steadily focused attention on the feeling of the wish fulfilled to such a man. Any undesirable objective fact is no longer a reality and the Ardent wish no longer a dream. Prove me now herewith saith the Lord of hosts. If I will not open you up the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing that there shall not be enough room to receive it Malachi chapter 3 and verse 10 the windows of Heaven may not be opened and the treasures seized by a strong will but they open of themselves and present their Treasures as a free gift a gift that comes when absorption reaches such a degree that it results in a feeling of complete acceptance the passage from your present state to the feeling of your wish fulfilled is not across a gap. There is continuity between the so-called real and unreal to cross from one state to the other you simply. Your feelers trust your touch and enter fully into the spirit of what you are doing. Not by my nor by power, but by my spirit saith the Lord of hosts. Assume the spirit the feeling of the wish fulfilled and you will have opened the windows to receive the blessing to assume a state is to get into the spirit of it. Your triumphs will be a surprise only to those who did not know your hidden passage from the state of Longing To The Assumption of the wish fulfilled. The Lord of hosts will not respond to your wish until you have assumed the feeling of already being what you want to be for acceptance is the channel of his action acceptance is the Lord of hosts in action. what I love about this chapter is how Neville points to the fact that we are actually living in a world of imagination and the outer physical events of our lives are actually the fruits of Forgotten Blossom times or the results of previous and usually forgotten States Of Consciousness, you know, I find that with an undisciplined mind it is impossible to determine Which experience is come from which states unless we kind of have this basic level of emotional intelligence that allows us to detect the substance of a Circumstance the basic emotional theme because at that point we can make correlation to a state right if we can determine what the basic kind of underlying emotional theme of a circumstances. We can ultimately understand what created that circumstance simply because we understand that states of Consciousness states of consciousness. Reproduce themselves in our lives. So if you're having trouble figuring out the correlations between State and experience take a look take a look at the underlying emotional themes that are going on in your experience is what are the narratives that those things are telling because you'll find that the narrative that you are telling as a result of the experience is ultimately perpetuating more of the experience itself. And this is the really really really cool thing here is that it's almost like a feedback loop that if we take some time to slow down and Study we can understand how imaginative States become those forgotten Blossom times and he mentions specifically what it means to assume the feeling of the state fulfilled and this is becoming completely absorbed in an emotional state right completely absorbed we here in other chapters. He talks about pushing all other ideas out of Consciousness, you know, you have entered into a state when a single idea has it all other ideas out of your mind and you are totally consumed in the Vivid sensory reality of the state. and if persisted in whatever this intensely emotional period of absorption consists of will ultimately turn into the experiences you have in your life and so it is and so it does whatever we are intensely emotional about becomes the experiences of our lives and this is why Telling stories of how much we're victims and how much we can't do this and how much you know, we are uncapable. All that does is produce more of itself. We can't tell stories that are limiting and not expect to experience the fruit of those stories in our lives. And once we begin to understand this, we find that our lives grow and evolve in the same way a tree of Olives. You wouldn't expect to get an orange from an apple seed right? You would not expect an orange to grow on a tree that comes An apple seed in the same way. You're not going to get abundance. When you've planted a tree of poverty and sorrow when you've lived in states of I am not enough and unworthiness and Brokenness and chaos and nothing's working for me and all of these different things you're planting seeds and those seeds produce trees and don't be mistaken everything that we so we do reap and if you plant a seed of poverty you will experience the fruit of that seed. And this this is the way it is. And if you'd like to figure out if your emotional absorption is intense enough examine your reaction when you come back to the physical world, that's something that I like to do is when I'm you know, I'm constantly imagining throughout the day and you know, when I get into those periods of absorption to where I come back to you know, wherever I am whether it's sitting in my car in my chair upstairs, whatever it is, it is almost shocking when it's gotten to that point. You can pretty much be guaranteed that the manifestation is sure and you'll This bye. Seeing every time after that intense emotional absorption after that point in time, it becomes easier to tap into that state, right? So what's happening here is really getting into that period of emotional absorption is an initial tapping into that really makes tapping into that so much easier and sometimes it's simply hard because we're not familiar with those States or those experiences and the good news is is that you can create Her into any state that you would like because you are all imagination. In this is what's so amazing prove me now herewith saith the Lord of hosts. If I will not open up the windows of heaven and pour you out a blessing that there shall not be enough room to receive it. The windows of heaven will not and cannot be opened and its Treasures seized by a strong will but they open of themselves and present their Treasures as a free gift a gift that comes when absorption reaches such a degree that it Results in a feeling of complete acceptance. Now, this is again man. This is the amazing thing about all this your only obligation is to feel good. Your only obligation is to feel as though you already are who you want to be and the windows of Heaven the treasures that you are seeking that you have wanted will present themselves to you. How's that for a deal? They will present themselves to you. If you will simply be absorbed in the emotion of the state fulfilled. To such a degree that it results in a feeling of complete acceptance of this is mine. It's mine absolute. There's of course it is. the passage from your present state to the feeling of your wish fulfilled is not across the Gap and there is a continuity between the so-called real and unreal to cross from one state to the other simply extend your feelers trust your touch and enter fully into the spirit of what you are doing and this This is where the magic is assume the spirit the feeling of the wish fulfilled and you will have opened the windows to receive the blessings. Assume the spirit to assume a state is to get into the spirit of it. The Lord of hosts will not respond to your wish until you have assumed the feeling of already being what you want to be for acceptance is the channel of his action acceptance is the Lord of hosts an action in this is why Neville says to the degree of naturalness that you carry around the thing desired it will manifest accordingly because acceptance acceptance is synonymous with naturalness real full total acceptance is synonymous with naturalness, and we create the natural. Is that state of acceptance by entering into periods of total emotional absorption? So your your only obligation here again is to go back to the feeling back to the feeling back to the feeling back to the feeling back to the feeling over and over and over again, because at the end of the day, even when the thing you want shows up in physicality. You really still just wanted the feeling and this is what is just absolutely amazing. You just wanted the feeling all along. You just wanted the feeling. So if you can simply enter into the feeling to such a degree that you are emotionally absorbed fully by that feeling you'll find that the manifestation is sure it is quick. It makes haste. Your obligation is to accept right now that you are who you want to be. The only thing preventing you from experiencing the fruit of desired States in your life is your unwillingness to be totally and fully emotionally absorbed so go forth and be absorbed by the feelings of success by the feelings of wealth by the feelings of Joy by the feelings of abundance by the feelings of Health by the feelings of goodness go forth and like a gatekeeper do not permit. Do not permit those states that would succeed in destroying the kingdom that you have built. And you perform your gatekeeping duties by living in the wish fulfilled this all yours. You got it. It's already yours. Talk soon. 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Law of attraction methods teach us to focus on desire. However, the exclusive focus on desire easily causes resistance, struggle, force and frustration. Maybe you’ve been there? A simple inquiry into the nature of desire will prove that desire itself is endless, and therefore focusing on desire is committing to an endless stream of effort. Isn’t that what we’re looking to free ourselves from? The simple way to release effort and master manifestation is to do the opposite—become desireless. Becoming desirelessness is not about giving up desire, it’s about realizing your true nature as the container for everything, the very substance of all that is. And BEING it. From this perpetual state of desirelessness, you live embodied as pure and blissful space, the canvas upon which the universe flows. Then, as a desire arises upon your eternal space, it is simply a thought without meaning, and thus you are able to instantly accept it as true (thus beginning its cycle of expression), as the sky accepts a cloud floating within it. The paradox is we must give up a desire in order to become that desire—give up lack of a thing in order to have that thing. And being identified as the desireless space that you are, there is no lack, there is only the fullness of your true Self as the totality of everything. As you move into desirelessness, you notice there is no separation; all time and space collapse into this eternal, unified Now. You are this Now, the canvas upon which the movement of life flows, and the artist who paints the picture of reality as each moment unfolds. This is the key to escaping the cycles of circumstance, and finally stepping into the masterful manifestor you are. For fans of Bob Proctor, Abraham Hicks, Neville Goddard, Tony Robbins, Jake Ducey.

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Somebody's been reading Dante's Inferno the AfterBuzz after show starts right now. You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now look, I didn't even know was possible for some of the things that happen on Lucifer this episode to happen. So you loved it hard. I love it. Yeah, I'm happy me too. It's just a great show. I just like the show so much it combines shows that I love. It's part long Order SVU is part Sabrina part Survivor now is parts of niver. It's got so much probably the best. Version of Survivor, we possibly oh my God. So cool the Teflon totem. Hey, you don't know about that Teflon told him, you know, I have it. I found it under a tree. Oh, really? Yeah. Don't murder me over at first you think before you realize who we are Myrtle murdering allow me to introduce the wonderful panel that is amongst us. We have my favorite W be in the building Stephen Lemieux Warner Brothers. Yeah something like yeah. It is a DC property. So yes were you thinking I'm so happy to be on this panel. And the queen of the brains Roxy stryer is in the building nicest thing anybody ever said about me hashtag saved Lucifer. I'm here for good guys. You are you are for good or for evil because we don't know which one Lucifer is yet bomb transition host. I'm to run if you don't know me you haven't been watching AfterBuzz or this Lucifer show or reading your hat. Yeah, it's all it's all I haven't liked the shirt. It's on every article. I want to take a moment to say to you guys. As on iTunes if that didn't make sense it legitimately is a hat that he wears and also he's in a bathrobe but I want you guys all to see that picture. You have to pick up the Raanana picture that picture that as we talk all things Netflix is Lucifer season 4 episode 2. Somebody's been reading Dante's Inferno. Today's break down really quickly. We will start with the case, of course the smallest part but big in our hearts and then we get to the heart of the show what the case is really about we're going to talk about who is Father Kelly. Who is that guy? He really freaks me out. We learned the Chloe. And she's been up to some no-good. You've been up to no good Chloe. What's in the vial Lucifer? Ask Chloe on a date or vice versa the date kind of happens, but kind of doesn't but kind of does a minute deal chooses to stay in La Linda's pregnant. Yeah, I had to leave that right there for you. Chloe learns the truth about Lucifer again Father Kelly gets his own Date With the Devil news and gossip special segment circle of hell and more. You know, what they call that after you said Linda's pregnant and then waited a second a pregnant pause. Is that what it is? Good. I worked really hard on that. That's no but you are the queen of the brain. So let's get your overall thoughts on the episode. I don't know a pregnant pause got it. You call that a call back, but and he tags too quick of a call back and head was bowed. I didn't do my what that pisode one call back behind. You know, what I liked this episode of a heck of a lot more than I like this panel right now. I thought it was awesome. I thought it was even better than episode 1 I think that episode one. They had to do a little more recapping for the people who didn't watch Lucifer on Fox and in episode 2. We got to dive into the characters and again, Really was about Lucifer and Khloe in those are my favorite episodes because I just I'm a sucker for wanting these two to be together all I want it so bad. So I love this episode Lucifer was like cringe-worthy this episode like no it was a great episode. I love it. But he's in a character what character was so cringe-worthy. It's like the daytime is it is it time for the date? Hey, he's like The Thirst was real with Lucifer today. He's in love in love. I actually really like this Lucifer because showing Server can be vulnerable showing that he breaks down his wall and is transparent. He's always honest but the transparency of not having a wall at all and saying hey, I'm vulnerable and understanding it and feeling it and him being awkward. He's the devil and he's like nervous to ask a girl out on a date. It's so cute for lack of better words. He's just a little palm like all you just want to all lose for it's okay. I know she's really hot. Don't be nervous, but he really should be nice. That actually made me hate it too. But actually yeah that I made it where you made it I could do that. But I'm Queen of the brain you are the queen the Braves your father could not of the heart but we agree that this is a great opposite. Yeah, you know, yeah great to jump right back into Lucifer the case was like just as completely predictable as before though. I was super excited though because well, we're watching the case and you know, they're interviewing people and all of these characters are coming in and talking about it. All of a sudden. I was like Hey that chicks a my Groundlings class. Well, that's so Funny because actually the murderer is my really good friend Cameron. Really? Yes, Cameron gauri played Tikka the cameraman and it was great to did you know that that was happening. I had no idea he piped out told me about so many of his roles. Some of them I could care less about and this one that is my favorite of favorites. He never mentioned to me when you gotta talk to him and see how it was shooting with the crust. We need to know I'm up get on that. Let's talk about the case really quick. So the case the victim a fan favorite kindergartner teacher ER Melinda Hagee on the hit reality show with failing ratings, of course the cabin body found at the Lagoon cause of death is drowning, but we also have signs of struggle on the beach and a huge contusion on the back of the head suspicion and even arrest was made of course in Kylie The Rocker murder Tika the cameraman. Yeah, that guy was suspicious as soon as I saw him pick up that battery and walk away. I was like, oh he killed it with the battery. There's somewhat, you know how people who kind of always live in that? Grenn, they always have that little grin on he had a grin and I just want why you smiling bro. What is that wipe that grin off your face? It's interesting because I had no idea who the killer was. Okay. So so I'm glad that both of you are the brain and Pinky over there. But over here are five over here. I was actually in I'm in this mode now that I realized that the first person they meet on the scene is the killer always it's going to be a theme and that kind of played. Ooh season 2 it was a little bit missing in season 3 but now it's back. Yeah, and I thought that this one was an exciting switch up because usually when we go through these cases maybe we talked to one two, three possibly four people talk to all of them. We talked to all the people and they all had funny things to say. I wanted to watch an episode of the show quickly which one of us would actually win this competition every day three. Yeah. I have the Teflon total know I would I can't give her laugh. Okay, so I think it's me, we all think it's ours. Of Jeff you are clearly the tiebreaker Jeff who's running who wins the cabin. He was no idea what leave me so I don't know. We do meet a lot of the characters from the show. We met Maureen. Oh Vic the executive producer. We've had like Maury Povich by the way. It did. It did actually I was wondering if that was a play on that were kinda hope so job The Jock that was the first guy the muscle guy who or what the Rock above her head and made the faces. I love the commentary on how Formulaic These reality shows, huh? Because like everyone just fits into that role perfectly. This wasn't was like Hunger Games. This one was Next Level reality was Survivor. No, it was more than that. I felt like what was in his stomach? Well aside from snails, which is normal for These reality shows. I'm surviving or not murdering people how you're not supposed to murder people on the show, you know that the cabins like supposed to man to murder people. I'm sure that in a lot of These reality shows they get close. To altercations or and or at least thoughts of murder. Has anyone been killed on a set of reality show like not like just died but like been murdered because this is a pretty common like theme and in shows like this where somebody I think it's because of the plot device that's just so easy to use. I mean it worked perfectly in this because it gives you a ton of different option for who could have done it, but they're also crazy characters. You've got your archetypes a jock the bitchy girl all those things. So I think that they just I don't know if it's yeah, we got happy out the jock Joe the farmer Eileen the ex-marine Jasmine the model Grayson the lawyer who everyone blamed for everything and I don't want to say maybe it's because he's just black and of course I wrote the hippie. Yeah. I I love these characters I kind of was like, this is why it is a bummer that this show is a procedural because I kind of want these people back for a couple of episodes. I wanted to get to know each one of them. Well, we have the tie back with Ellie being a big fan of the show. So we could bring them back in terms of like if she kept in touch. I kept in touch with one of the cast members from the cabin and they said somebody died so we could technically bring him back. Yeah, actually truth. All right. She she geeked out when they showed up on the side that's 50 hours of footage a hundred a hundred dollars. It makes it even workers hundred up back up back up Sunday. So I watched all twenty seven seasons twenty seven seasons has been on there. That's like I haven't soda watching all a hundred of our after shows every single. A week Ivan, Ivan Ivan Ivan. So every episode the show has a back drop the case is just a backdrop to what's really going on in the show. And in this one we get the constant almost Clash of Love versus deception between Chloe and Lucifer. I always need you to break this down for me Tehran. I need you to interpret them. Lay it out for me. Like for dummies. They talk about it on the show. They always interweave. They use it as the analogy and here we have someone who's in love. We find the dynamic between Kylie and Melinda. That's the close proximity and it comes up in the show. I was Lucifer and Chloe. Well, that's I mean, that's the projection. Right? So the the the the allegory that I believe they were making with the case. This week is the same kind of comparison that father Kenley is drawing with Lucifer comparing to Chloe when he he says that Lucifer's lying. It's the biggest lie of all and Chloe's wondering is Lucifer this person. I know or is Lucifer the the demon that's written about in the Bible and then we have ulation and the reality shows the same way in that. You know, you have the jock who's one way one second because the villain always wins, but then he's another way the next second everyone's playing everyone, but he said the cameras were on and he had to act the part Stephen I get it. So it's just it's Lucifer surrounded by people who can't be Selves. Yeah, I think that's a good analogy to there's all different things peppered in there. And I think that's one really worked for the stuff with Chloe and Lucifer and the deception going on there that we're going to talk about. Yeah, we have to get into and especially with Kylie being arrested and causing the explosion as Lucifer walks out. I mean you see Chloe Teeter back and forth. So let's get into that Chloe what's going on in Chloe's head Roxy these the timeline of this all was slightly confusing but But I was happy too. I was happy to see where we ultimately ended up. I think she's torn I think she's really torn she knows in her in her heart and that Lucifer is good. But in her mind it is the devil and you have these people saying we need to extract the devil from Earth that makes perfect sense. If somebody said to me the devil's on Earth and we have to get rid of him. I wouldn't be like no don't please you would say. Yeah, we do. So, I think she's really torn her heart and head I mean, I think we got a big vital piece of information this episode 2 is that people have been aware that the devil's been on Earth for seven years? Yeah, which we didn't know. Yeah. We didn't know that there's a whole group of people who are out there and know about him and had potentially tried to exercise him before but through that have found out that the only person that makes him vulnerable as Chloe, but they said they only suspected that and I'm curious whether that's a lie, and they knew that to be true or whether this is a new revelation. And that's why it's just coming to fruition now so I couldn't tell I still don't know. This guy seems like a bad guy. But how bad is he father? Kenley is who were talking about and the organization is the Church of International Association of exorcists, which sounds crazy. It sounds like a demonic. Who is this father Ken Lee, let's get let's get to that I don't trust and I don't trust associations who are just vowels IA OE you just don't ya like you can't say it. I don't get it. I'm not a fan. So happy reaction with it. Yeah, it has been it has to be Shield. Yeah, AOS is like ages of She lyric Heroes house. You're good hit up a house, but I do know this one is CR I can't do it. I can't do it. See I have got to be villain something. I it is so funny what our pet peeves of people like that would not have ever crossed my mind. What cross my mind about this is where is this guy coming from? What is his backstory? And by the The time and again not to jump ahead too much. But by the time he shows up at Lucifer's doorstep the the ark just episode two alone. I'm just thinking who are you a hundred percent? It seems that this Arc went so fast boom and it's getting to ahead some type of explosion Father Kelly is obviously someone who we feel like the Vatican is trusted and we've seen this character and movies before but he's always really super duper evil and played by that. Real guy it's always him. I think this is going to be a situation that is an unintentional cause of terrible things happening. So like for instance father Kinley talks to Chloe and basically is like this is what Lucifer does it's the biggest lie of all he adjusts to make people happy. He is the devil. Yeah, but bear with me he only cares about himself he works to get what he wants and every single thing that he's describing is just a human being so like the more Lucifer tries to become human the more he fits into these labels that the church puts on the devil, which why is he so certain that all Lucifer does is lie. He's the devil right? But what does he have in to I know that Lucifer didn't seem to recognize him, but does he know Lucifer from other things or from stories? So here's what they have. Right? So all of the research of this National Association of Exorcist, I'm putting an n on it so I can actually say it all of their research. They have an entire history of every single time Lucifer. Came to the world. It didn't seem like some haphazard like let's do but look, let's create a cookbook. It felt like this is a long-standing organization. But if they've been tracking him for the past seven years then haven't they seen all of the amazing things? He's done. Well, what's he really done? That's amazing. He opened up Luxe that's pretty amazing saved a lot of lives. Oh, yeah. Yeah that team. Yeah, but again also a dope nightclub dope nightclub. That's number one. That's a real thing as a lot of happiness for people. Hey, it's Satan. He saved five people. All right, but he's Satan, you know, like that's kind of the mindset does it does play where once again we have to look at the storyline from whose perspective it's being told if you ask God Satan's Satan's the devil if you ask Satan God the devil, it is true in the only thing I can kind of liken it to and this is a very extreme obviously, but it's like if Hitler came back from the dead somehow it was on Earth and had saved a few people we wouldn't be like, yeah, that's fine now bro, we can Keep you here. Everybody would be like we've got to get this mother effer gone because we knew what had happened, but with the devil, it's not history and it's not recent. It's a lot of stories. It's a lot of uncertainty history through throughout history. Yes, but not in the in the last hundred years and I feel like these people are going off of religion not based off of actual. Here's the fact is the wrong word. Here's the recent history. Here's the issue is that stories our history because the only difference between stories now and stories then is the the format of which they're told you only had books and Word of Mouth. Now you view history is like what we know this happen because we have the internet and we have documentation. The Bible was supposed to be that documentation of these things that happen. So the church has to take it at face value whether it's been skewed in any way shape or form. They had pictures of 1944 with a Tom Ellis looking Lucifer next to They had pictures of different events with a Tom Ellis looking Lucifer and Hitler and now they have unequivocal evidence of Chloe saying yes, he is Lucifer. So they have to look at this history that they have and say, okay, maybe there's some falsies but inclusive evidence provided over a series of generations is now conclusive this mean that you are on team father Kenley. No, but I'm on Team every time he appears disaster happens and that's what we are Lucifer. ER Every time he every time loser and I don't I don't think it necessarily has to be caused by Lucifer. It's like imagine you're in a glass house and you have a rock and you want to kill a roach. It's the same kind of concept the Earth's The Glass House Lucifer's the roach and the earth and the Christian church or whatever. You want to call Father. Kinley's National Association of exorcism is a brick being used to kill that road. Things are going to crack and a lot of bad stuff is going to happen. There are cases where you can say like a person who's around there just a bad luck person. And so they cause bad luck wherever they go. That's also an archetype we see but we can agree on one thing that Hitler doesn't have half Lucifer's ass. Let's get to that can we come back? That's fact. So that's the Saving Grace for Lucifer. So we learned that Khloe has really been up to where when she's gone. Right? So that missing month. Well, we find out she went on this vacation or Europe AKA Rome aka the Second most boring vacation ever drive your research. The Vatican is actually an amazing. I know take this if you ever go I have I've been yeah, very Angels and Demons hmm, literally and figuratively speaking. So Chloe went research. I don't think she spent too much time looking at the art. I just don't she was in that Library going over research and asking questions. And what was the deal was tricked because she said she took Trixie with her, but what strikes you doing? Yeah, where's Trixie the Holt? I don't know because if your if your whole point is I have to get this devil out because I have a daughter and I need to make sure I look out for her. I don't know maybe Mom a little bit while you're over there because your daughter's just off in Europe. Maybe the Vatican has a daycare. I hope you know, I don't think Chloe has this vile this poisoning. It's something right. There's something what's in this file. So it has to be something that sedates or destroys it's definitely not something it's not a truth serum. It's not a happy thing. It's got to be something really. I think it's just straight up like a roofie sedate. It's like a Satan roofie like because they're only using it because again, he says I'll come in when he sedated. He mentions that so we know that it's a sedative but it's not a poison to kill him because they're they're using the fact that He's vulnerable around Chloe to use just a normal thing on him. It seems also we have learned from the past episodes. Even though Lucifer can die. He can't actually die. Meaning he would just go back to hell and not be in human form. Yeah, so maybe they want to capture him and just you know torture him for eternity or something. Is that the case if he dies at her hands? At Chloe's hands. I don't know. We don't know. I mean Kenny died in anyone else's hands. That's the well, I mean he specifically States before if he dies. He just goes back to Hell which is why he tries so hard to keep his body alive. And of course we saw what happened with Charlotte and amenadiel. I don't know. He was a human. I just am unsure if he knows all the rules because he also stated that he was somebody who couldn't be harmed and then Chloe and then Chloe, so I Know if he knows everything. That's why Chloe shot him the first time and then that's why in this I mean in my favorite scene of this episode with Chloe and Lucifer. I can't help but talk about them. Let me talk about definitely taught me talk about we are getting to lose for as Chloe on a date and the date itself. So yeah, the the date not my favorite date don't think went don't think it went as well as I could have. It was so nice to be part of that dress though, and she turned him down and She had work and all that but there is something so romantic about her finally realizing that it's her that makes him vulnerable. I don't know what so sexy about that. I don't know why that was arson. I thought it was a wonderful thing. You did to I see Stephen being against that scene. No. No, really. No. I'm under read your face. You have a heart. I'm just thinking of Ellie taking a Belita to the Opera. I love that line. It's just like a little line that tied up that Is that your pet name for her alley isn't isn't a lolly. I like that. Very close. Yeah, we were on board with it. But no, I love the scene between between her and him because it there comes a point with every character where if they don't start noticing shit. You're just like you're dumb, you know what I mean? And it just I'm glad that we finally got that moment where she's put everything together and be like, why is it this way because there's so many more Moments. She she walked out seeing him hold an SUV to a light pole like seriously screaming and everything. She's already seen his face. So she knows and we know that she knows she's shot him and he's been hurt all the time. So, why are you bleeding? Exactly? Like finally, maybe my favorite top five favorite moment in the show. Thus far all four seasons by far. It was such a real scene and Tom Ellis plays it'll amazingly but the concept of why are you bleeding? And very simply you I think what's so cool about this being on Netflix now is I don't think in the second episode of a fox show. They would have done this. I think that because it's a binge show. They don't have to think. All right. This either has to be in a premier or in a finale before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. 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Yeah, you're bleeding did it at next week's Lucifer? Yeah. Yeah, and it was it just blew my mind as that's finally the reason that she goes back to Kinley and says I'm out I can't do this and I kind of thought in that moment can lie was gonna kill her it was something is he he's so calm. Umm, that it was scary father. Kenley is the scariest. Cast member they have again. They will just they will justify anything to take out Lucifer I think and it's the Brick In The Glass House. They're going to start just doing whatever it takes no matter who it hurts or no matter what happens. That was an excellent analogy now during the date. It seems like Khloe's going to pour pour the vile contents of the violin to lose for its class. The music comes on at Star Wars her that girl is poison. Her hand was shaking before it happens. Yeah. Hmm, because she knows she's about to she regardless of whether it's right or wrong. She's in love with him. And she this is going to really hurt him if not kill him. And I don't think she's emotionally come to terms with the fact that she will be the one who puts in the final dagger. I mean wouldn't things just be better for everyone if they sent him back to hell. I want me I'm a fan see this is why I said I'm surprised I thought you had a heart and now we realize you don't amenadiel chooses to stay in LA. And at the same time we find out Linda's pregnant in we find out in two parts. We find out from the phone call from the doctor and then we find out through a minute deals eyes what it's just rushed on them at the at the club. What are we gonna do with this and how is it possible that she's pregnant. Did you guys think it was possible that she could get pregnant not by an Angel. That's what I don't mean her womb. I mean that sperm but then we also have the concept of Chloe being kind of part Angel part Heavenly in some way made from Heaven. Exactly. Yeah II don't know what to make of this and also just checking in. It's been a I don't know how many years this show has taken place in this world. Old when is the last time that she slept with Lucifer? Ha ha ha. I was also thinking about that because that definitely had to be more like Maury Maury season back season recommend season 5 could definitely bring out some Omen like things with like the son of Satan and stuff like that. Oh, please now. Oh God, I'm not saying no because the show but it's she's having his baby this my heart is broken, but kept the show so much if that happens. I will be hooked forever aside now. I have to be a A deal aside from me not having a heart the scene where it's just like him smiling put his hand on her when she says that I thought was really great like the reaction in the way. They played it off. It didn't need the words. Yeah. Yeah, but do you guys would you rather amenadiel with Linda or with maze? I like a minute deal with maze. I like a minute deal with that one chick at the club talking to him the random girl random girl random. That girl is great. They were his funny we were talking about Spicy drink here spicy drink guys. She was so fun. He was very proud to have been improved to it. She's just going I don't know if that's true. But it was great. It was a great scene. It was a great scene for sure. We answer the question though, which one of them? Yeah. You have to choose between amenity land remained in maze. Thank you. Thank you Jeff. Oh my God. Neither. Okay. Well, like I said, he doesn't have a heart wanna just grab your the booth. You heard you're married. I don't know. About this maze fellow but committed deals and more fun name guys amenadiel and and I'm telling you that I want amenadiel with Maize or the fact that Linda could be pregnant with his baby is throwing me off. I know that that happens all the time and it's okay to have a baby with another woman and then marry another woman, but I want I want him and Maze to have a demon angel baby. I think the baby could just be human though because we found out that so angels can self-actualize and we don't know how long ago it was. Is that amenadiel slept with her it could have been when he was having that off phase where he was human. Yeah, so we have lost his wings. We don't know that the baby even has any Angel qualities at All We Know Nothing Jon Snow. Who's that? So here we go with Father Kelly gets his own Date With the Devil before we get into that. I'm sorry. Yeah. Can we please just mention a minute eel, trying to fit in with people in Los Angeles. It was like my favorite part of this entire episode because it's so true. It's like you're finally like You know, I'm just gonna go be a people person and then it's just so hard to be a people person when you're trying to be a people person and you're getting things stolen from you, please from all your friends are working. They don't have time for you and he doesn't have a job. So I think we're going to see a manatee. I'll get a job. He's my favorite person to mess with. Yeah. I like when the show messes with him not as much with Dan I love what amenadiel gets dicked on. That's all I feel not Dig Down. Okay. So father Ken Lee gets his own Date With the Devil. What is that housing know where he is? Well, I guess he's been stalking Club, but the whole thing Lucifer needs to get better locks. How can this do just walk up into I mean no. No, we don't care any we don't know that kenley's not an angel though, too. I was thinking I was an Avenger Avenger something Kane. Is he something more is he? Secret operative where he has training, is there any way and I don't know this could be really stupid. But is there any way that he is Lucifer and Amanda deals. Dad down there being embodying take he's God. Yes, I don't think so. All right, you know what this show you never know. I think it would have been a different meeting between the two if it was, you know, it was him saying what he didn't know it was his mom in Vanessa's body. I just made that name. Apple Charlotte, Charlotte. Yeah, white girl. I think it could I think it could be that but I don't think it will be, you know, it's obviously a possibility. Okay? Well, hopefully we'll learn a little bit of more if we get some news and gossip. Was there something you know more yes and news and gossip is going to talk conversation with Tom Alice on the rest of the cast about the show being canceled and then pick back up this article was coming via collider and he when he was asked about it. He said for about 36 hours. I was convinced that Be it then I had a call basically the moment that it was announced on social media that the show was cancelled was the moment. I started to feel better about everything because within an hour of that announcement, my phone had just gone absolutely crazy and then he talks about just the outpouring of things but it's interesting because think about how long he knew the show was canceled and it's not until the world knows that it's canceled. We're actually get saved. So it made him feel better for everybody else to know that the show was leaving which I thought was kind of cool tidbit. I'm actually a little mad at Tom Ellis in this interview. How come how come you didn't shout you out? You didn't shout you out and we just want to take this time to thank Roxy stryer the I was waiting for that and honestly I should read maybe like the fine print an article. This rendition of creep is for Roxy stryer. I would just die 30 days in a row, I would die. That's what it is. That's your news and gossip. That is great to know. So what's what's going on in that circle of hell second circle of Oh that was painful to hear. That was a painful note. Was it really thought it was pretty great. I didn't love it guys the second circle of hell. Or for people who are overcome by lust they are punished by being blown violently back and forth by strong winds preventing them from finding peace and rest again bring this to each character in this show. You got Chloe she is prevented from finding rest because she's being blown by The Winds of Father Kenley and blown by the by Lucifer had to complete his being blown by Lucifer. So her dad you said definitely found that Lucifer and it's also with Lucifer because he's being blown back and forth in terms of like what he can even expect out of life. With Chloe canceling the date does he want does she want to go on the date? Does she not want to go on the date? Then? She finally goes on the date and now he's got an old priest guy in his home and amenadiel to being blown by lust. Yeah, I mean everyone's being affected by love in this episode and let's just say Linda's different than love lust is different than love and you think they're in loans less is different than love Yeah. That's the thing. That's actually not an Alleyway that that is sounds more like I learned in Romeo and Juliet when we were in eighth grade, and we had to read the play and you had to say are they in lust or love guys talk to my eighth grade teacher there for me? I just want to smash you just wanted to smash but the second Circle hell again, you know, it's strong when symbolize the restlessness of a person who's led by the desire for fleshly Pleasures. Which again Lucifer straight up. Yeah, but I don't think that's him with Chloe. I think that's him with the rest of the world and with Chloe. It's more than lust it's a vulnerability. And it's the first time he's ever felt that but is it a thing that the first time he's ever felt that is also from the person who makes some figuratively and literally vulnerable. Yes, because it is checking her that I can go with that. Well, let's jump into predictions then I guess AfterBuzz TV prediction sound like some predictions here. I think father Ken Lee is gonna be bad news for everybody. I think he the organization is going to be a lot more powerful and a a lot more destructive than we think it is and I think Hellfire will rain down. I think the show seems to have too many twists to have it be that obvious that he is just as bad as we think he is I think maybe he has a Redemption Arc by the end of this season. I think that Lucifer and Chloe will not be together by the end of the season, you know, I don't know just coming up. I just think that Lucifer Lucifer is believing everything that father Ken Lee like he's trying to fight it but he's A part of him believes it and it's a law of physics like an object in motion tends to stay in motion until it's acted upon by by an object or an outside force. Exactly. I think Kinley Taps Trixie two Taps like as a resource. Sorry. Yes, it's okay. All right. Well, let's uh, let's tap each other where can people find you if you want to be found. I don't want to be found right now Roxy. I love being tapped by you all everywhere at Roxy stryer them. Feel free to stop me and I am Terron literally because I am to Ron I am th r a n and of course on a slew of other AfterBuzz after shows talking about all your favorite TV programs for now, we're talking great Lucifer stuff on Netflix weird mentioned this with you. So stay tuned for more Lucifer's we come back. We will see you on the next one Steven. 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The Lucifer After Show for Season 4 Episode 2 “Somebody’s Been Reading Dante’s Inferno” - Looks like Chloe’s going to betray Lucifer! No!!! Amenadiel and Detective Dou… Dan seems to have a weird bromance going on, Elle is struggling with religion, and Lucifer wants to go on a date. Unfortunately you can’t even trust camera-men any more because the case takes us to a reality set but WE’RE GOING TO GET THAT TEFLON TOTEM! Join Tehran Von Ghasri, Roxy Striar, and Stephen Lemieux to break it all down! Lucifer is BACK! Cancelled but not for long! Thank god for netflix, and thank god for AfterBuzz TV, because WE'RE BACK TOO! Covering the latest episodes of Lucifer! Join us every episode for in depth discussion and breakdowns! There may even be some special guests so be sure to subscribe rate and comment! ABOUT LUCIFER: Lucifer is an American television series created by Tom Kapinos that is scheduled to premiere on Fox on January 25, 2016. It is a very loose adaptation of the comic book character created by Neil Gaiman for the comic book series The Sandman and its spin-off comic book series Lucifer written by Mike Carey, both published by DC Comics' Vertigo imprint.

episode 50 interview with Alison Armstrong Welcome to the first year married podcast where we get real about building the marriage of your dreams. I'm marriage Coach K 11, and I take newly married and engaged women from anxious insecure too confident and connected through practical tips real-life inspiration and more than a little self-awareness along the way. Hello ladies We Have Made It episode 50 that is so exciting. And I'm so grateful to all of you for your support and your kind words and reaching out to me over these last several months as we've gotten started with the first year married podcast to celebrate this episode. We have a really truly special guest when Noah and I sat down to discuss who would be our absolute dream podcast guest Alison Armstrong. To the list now, of course, I never imagined I would actually be able to get her on the podcast and suffice it to say that the day that we were recording this. I was so nervous that it probably took me like a full week to recover her work has been transformative for hundreds of men and women myself obviously included and she takes the most confusing and frustrating differences between men and women and makes them crystal clear with so much humor and compassion and so much charm For this episode I got on the call with the intention of bringing her work into the realm of the newly married those couples who are just getting to know each other in this way. Maybe they're also building families or careers while they're at it and all those complications that come up during that phase Alison was obviously wonderfully generous with her knowledge during this interview. This episode is divided into two parts for several reasons. Mainly I wanted to give you all the best opportunity to listen to digest to try some of these ideas before we dive. To the second half, so if you aren't subscribed yet do make sure to do that right away so that you'll get the second part next Sunday when it is released. I know you were going to enjoy this interview so much. Hopefully I wasn't too nervous you can you can appreciate it, and I can't wait to hear from all of you. What what spoke to you what stood out to you can always email me Kayla at first you're married.com. I love to hear from you and enjoy the interview. Welcome Allison Armstrong to the first year of married podcast. Thank you so much for being here. Oh, I'm so happy to be here. So for anyone who's been listening to this podcast for a little while. They've definitely heard me speak about you Allison and all of your amazing work. I actually consider you to be one of my main teachers, although we've never spoken in person until today and I have to say I stumbled across your work very early in my marriage and I consider myself to be one of the lucky few. Who found this material so early on I'm so grateful to you for all the work. You've done to get it out there and to share it with the world. You're welcome. I really welcome. I I abhor unnecessary suffering and I say unnecessary and purpose for some people some suffering is necessary. This is the only way they get their license. But yeah any unnecessary suffering I can prevent. I want to I'm all over that amazing. Yes, I always say there's so much headache and heartache and they're just doesn't have to be yeah good way to put it. So what I was hoping to do with you today is to bring up some of the struggles that I hear a lot from the women that I work with. Some of them are newlywed some have been married longer and I have a guess of where you might go with it, but I am curious and excited to hear where we land. Yeah, we didn't rehearse no no, okay. Okay. So first of all, I feel like just to put context on all of your Work. Could you share what frog farming is please? Oh, well, according to the menu accused my girlfriend of it frog farming is when instead of turning frogs into princes you turn princes into frogs and that was where my work began as you know, 1991 was my girlfriend being called a frog farmer and I realized I was and that that's what we do. I mean at first I thought it was personal something I did and then I thought it was something cultural and then I found out its worldwide and and it's us in conscious. We literally have opposing instincts and when were behaving instinctively we antagonize men's instincts. And so we bring our worst brings out their worst and I mean reliably exactly we're going to be diving in All of that, but I feel like it takes a certain amount of vulnerability or self-knowledge to even be able to take something like that and not hear it as an accusation but to hear it as an opportunity, which it sounds like is what you did. Yeah, I was actually really relieved because it meant if I was a frog farmer then it meant I had something to do with him and treated me which meant I could change that I could change me. I've been trying to shake my head for a long time unsuccessfully and they did I could change my behavior Inspire something and are different in them was really exciting. And then when I think part of what I contribute to people is there's nothing wrong with you. The struggles you're having the pain you have the Suffering The frustration the inability to get what you need and connect to the opposite sex or your man or woman. It's not personal. You're not broken. You've just had the Good Fortune of being born human. It comes with the package and let's lighten up about it and and just become aware of it and even have a sense of humor about it because it's not going to do McLain who co-founded packed with me today we Were talking about manipulation and control and obligation and how much human beings are always trying to get another person on the hook like get the other person to be obligated to them and she's just like, oh, this is awful and I'm laughing. I think it's so funny. I think it's so funny that we do it, right but it helps if you can try to get it like I am not broken. I'm not defective. It's not because I'm Leo Libra, you know born in the year of the rat or anything. It's it's because of being human and I feel like one thing that really distinguishes your work from other other work that I've gone into and researched is and tell me if this if this resonates with you you do see how we impact each other and how we get as you say bring out the worst or the best but at the same time it's so not manipulative. It's not I want my husband to feel this way about me. I want my husband to act this way towards me. I feel like and I don't know if I got this more from your words or from the way you give over your material that what I had in my marriage as a diamond and I just needed to get out of the way not that I needed to train him into being something other than what he was which is kind of the flavor of some other, you know places that I went and don't like yeah, you said it beautifully And I I discovered it. I don't know accidentally. I feel so blessed. I I thought I said I'd study men for two or three months and find out what I was doing that was bringing out the worst in them and I hoped in the process that I might I might find one thing that would bring out the best in them. Then as I was discovering what I was doing and the only woman whose life I envied called my attention to the ways that I was diminishing men that I was attacking him a diminishing them. And I asked me to stop and I did. Which took a whole lot of awareness to see that, you know, it's holding a grenade and I was about to pull the pin and maybe I could just set it down. What stunned me was that I just stopped attacking them. I just stopped debilitating them. I just stopped, you know, pulling our legs out from underneath them and all the ways that I know how to do it and they became amazing. My didn't I didn't do anything. Nice. I didn't do anything good. I just stopped stabbing them and tripping them and coming at them and they I couldn't believe who they were like what you said diamonds it the diamonds already there. Whoo, men are naturally when they're not defending themselves from us blows my mind. Yeah, so, okay, so I'm going to dive into one scenario. I hear a lot. All right. Okay. Yeah, so we have a newly married couple and the husband is very immersed in his work and this can even go to another level if there's a baby in the picture. So now it feels like we have this whole conflict of values and Priorities what is a woman? Yeah, right. He doesn't get it. That's what she said to me. He doesn't get it. He's working too much. I asked all my girlfriends and they agree. He's real addiction and he should come home earlier. Yeah, so why is so focused on the work what what it seems like such a conflict that's her versus the work rate. It seems like it and we certainly take it personally or a couple things going on. So first of all, statistically the year that a man's first child is born. He will make more money than he has ever made in his life Wow. Yeah, child born provider kicks into high gear high gear. Like we're talking college education babies do month old and we're working on the college education. So it's it's natural. It's normal. It's healthy. It's a response to being a dad. Yeah, another thing that happens to Dad's miraculously is that their hormone suppress their sex drive in those first couple months after the baby's born which happens to tie right up with the rest of her body needs. And yeah. Yeah. It's a long time ago. I thought this I stop thinking this is an accident. if this is too much perfection in it, yeah, and another thing that will happen is that in her body in a woman's body her hormones are firing in such a way both birth and then nursing and the crying and the holding and the face gazing her Omens are working situate as to have her be certain just absolutely certain that this child is is the center of the universe that this child is the priority that this child is who she should everybody should be paying attention the most and as the mother I got I used to do this actually Gregor come home and there's you know his to sparkling daughter's first just one then the other and they're like their estrogen bombs. Okay, baby girls are estrogen binds. It is much estrogen in their little bodies as a grown woman for the first Gears and oh, yes, they're captivating they're built to be captivating. And so of course he walked in the house in his eyes would immediately go to the baby and I'd be like Mom first kiss come on of the mother on of the mother. I would laugh about it enough, but I but I noticed that if he didn't I would get hurt I would feel like I'm in here drinking your kid all day and you don't care about me. Just intervene Mom first bumpers. Yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. So it's this thing it helps as a woman is him working all day is for you. You have to take it personally that he's doing that whenever we think that dads are working for themselves. We're going to miss it. We're get because in his head and his head what he is is a provider and his first priority is protecting his family from any threats and providing for them the best he can and he's going to want to provide for them better than his dad did and and it's is when we take offense at it that you're working instead of me, they're crushed by that they they yeah, they feel so unseen and disrespected and that their gift isn't received and It's brutal for them. It's brutal. And if you read keys to the kingdom Kayla, yes, okay good cause because that's the one that I'd really recommend for your audience because you get to be in the in the conversation right and in that the head of a man in the tunnel and you know with Bert finding out in the process, you know, Claudia's husband why? he did what he did when he was a prince and why would she did worked right and and Claudia that the teacher in the story right is explaining how a woman's job is is really to put forth in front of her husband what she and the children the family really neat because he's going to be operating from decisions that he made instinctively that he made from his history and it doesn't occur to him the since the stupid but it doesn't occur to him to check them out with her. It's so clear to him what they need that he it doesn't occur to him to say. Okay, honey. I'm thinking that this is what I have to contribute to the family. It doesn't occur to him to say that in both men and women do this. We decide what people need we make a plan. We execute the plan and were shocked that people didn't want it. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes poetry but this last week, but so so as the mom As a wife even Greg did this because I was the one who is working like crazy. So he was the one who would come to me and say honey. Your girls need to be with you. They I can't I can't fill in for this this they need you and I I was so grateful right because we made a conscious decision that I was going to carry on our business and he was going to make our children his first priority so he could have controlled his career and he became a consultant so he could Could you know take different jobs? And yeah, we flipped it. We we flipped it 7-piece about eight. Yeah, but seven years in to our company, we flipped it. And and so that's what changed now is his role to tell me what they needed for me where before I was the one that would be letting them know, you know, they don't need you to be doing he was so intuitive. I didn't have to do it very often but honey, they don't need more dresses. They need more time playing games with you. This is attention. As you know, do you know they children Thrive from the right kind of attention from their parents? It seems like okay. So in case the kingdom you talk about the stages of development, right? That's the that's the book and yep. So maybe you can give a brief overview. But the question I kind of want to get to is I feel like we all need to figure out how to be Queens to survive them being princes. Ha ha ha. We basically need to learn how to be all of it right to choose our feminine expression. Consciously in both for us and for them. So the temptress energy right that playful physical sensual Sexual Energy. That's really good for us right to get into our bodies to celebrate our own Beauty to move our bodies and and be embodied great instead of dragging around criticizing it that it does wonders for our self confidence in our self expression and it It gives them literally gives them life force gives them energy to do what they need to do. And and the when we're playful it causes them to be affectionate. It's they can't not be affectionate when we're playful and women try to get men to be more affectionate by asking for it and it is very Carefree ask for it has to be very seriously, right? Yeah, which doesn't Inspire it and I don't like faking and they're not good at faking and so so us having that energy which she talks about in Keys the kingdom and then and then the mother that aspect that emotional the way I like to think of it is overflowing if you think of the mother as a mother River and and that when we are filled up by Our Lives by our friends our Hobbies hour, Whatever nurtures us with its time alone or time in nature or me and my horse and my dog whatever fills us up then allows us to overflow nurturing others instead of being depleted by nurturing others. And that's something I've learned a lot about that. We talked about in understanding women the online course, you know, because there's such a cycle of filling ourselves up and then spending it that it is oxytocin. But as you bring up the queen, I asked my talk about the temperatures in the mothers because the tendency is to think I just need to clean and we want to you know be the queen because she's you know, she's inspiring and influential and she's always extraordinary. Yeah, but the the queen without the temperatures no affection. No affection. No physicality the temptress about the mother Off With Their Heads. Yeah, yeah and the temperatures about the queen No Boundaries a mother without the cream No Boundaries every picture. So I mean and the beautiful thing about women is we can be all of that and we can switch from one to another in a moment and but the queen as you know is the queen is consciously choosing to be your own values. The thing that the things that you say you stand for the most date the qualities of life that you would most want to be and to have everyone you love to have to consciously choose them in a body them and set up your life so that it keeps feeding you that Essence instead of depleting it which is what's normal. I just I imagine that like hearing this this picture my youngest is just turned two and we have four so my oldest is about to turn nine. So a year ago or a year and a half ago when I still had like a, you know, a little baby and everything crazy even hearing about like a life of values where you're taking care of yourself would just feel almost like painful I so far away, so unattainable. Especially if he's off working so hard to provide for the family. So do you have advice for these ladies, you know that are scaring the third shirt that got spit up on today and you know, they're yeah. I can tap right into what you're talking about and Okay, so this would fly in the face of how my mother raised me and had what it was like for her to be a mother in a period of time where neighbors dropping by for a cup of sugar Miss normal and that your house had to be spotless when they drop by for a cup of sugar because you were going to be judged harshly for how you had your house. And so our house is always Called it guest ready and to this day. I can't not straighten hand towels in every bathroom and then cleaned other people's bathrooms. And but I remember it wasn't until Olivia our third one. I remember there she was in her little carrier and and she was she was quiet. She's fine, and I thought I might take A shower take a shower, right? And so I took her into the bathroom with me and and I'm in the shower and I got sober my hair and she starts to cry right and she starts to cry and the impulse was just like get out of the shower and handle it. Right and I done that plenty of times with her sister and her and her older brother and then I stood there and I looked at her I thought What harm will come to her if I take one more minute difference my she might cry the whole time. But is she going to send me back and happen because she's crying for a minute while I get to feel so better. We're here to finish my shower. I don't think so. And that was like this this little party never the curtains. You know that wait a second. Wait a second. How about when they sleep Sleep I sleep instead of oh, she's down for a nap. What can I get done? Oh, she's down for a nap. I should be too it has this and that kind of every we have to fight our own instincts, right? Because everything that's uglier dirty or out of place is nagging us to do it. And I mean I have I have nursed while stirring something over the stove how stupid is that right the call to melt T task great holding child to breast while stirring I mean Hello, wake up, right so doing one thing at a time to so unnatural Greg loved Sundays because Saturdays he would go get his well-being motorcycle. Right? Right that was part of the deal. He would he would go do that and then Saturday afternoons. I got to be off duty. He didn't Help me with my job. The kids were not my job on Saturday afternoon. I was on vacation from at first. I just left and then I hid and then I realized I could actually stay home and enjoy them and they come to me. Mommy. I'm hungry like well as dad your his job today. I was amazing, but then when it happened on Sunday, so Saturday, he got filled up and then I got filled up and then Sunday. The baby's it's I think I nursed for like 6 years altogether when they would fall asleep nursing. I would just hold them. I told them the whole time. They slept I told him for like two or three hours where they while they have their nap and that to Greg was that was rich that was being rich that there is his wife holding a child. Just sitting on the couch. He come sit next to me and you could talk to me and we'd watch old musicals and stuff and just hold them and hold them and hold them and Taking time for stuff like that. Like just let go of the laundry let go of the whatever it is. You got to let go of yeah, and also as you know play to each other's strengths. Structure was not my strength ever. I think probably because I grew up falling asleep at other peoples houses. My parents are really young and we went to a lot of parties and I just fall asleep like in a closet somewhere I didn't yes. So this whole like go to bed routine bedtime. It made no sense to me to say I knew the children of all sleep somewhere and I carry it. and and that time of night wasn't I didn't want to generate anything and but he he always we call it keep the wheels on the bus goes kept the wheels on the bus and so he would generate heat generated bedtime and the rituals of the brushing of the teeth and the singing of the moon song outside if you could be outside with the moon and any, you know, figured out things like Claire you could always get Claire to do something just By racing her and I get my teeth brushing for you. Ken ready? Yeah, and so so plain to each other's sort of Chrono types. You could call it. Like when are you awake and alert and functional and when are you not and he really got it that how much sleep mattered to me that I was a different person if I had sleep and he didn't need so much. So he was he get up in the middle of the night and bring the babies to me to nurse and take them back to bed. I don't even have to get up and cuz he just knew because they taught him eight-year asleep as a different human being than without enough sleep. Right and I think a lot of the tears just hearing just hearing that pointed out to them for a woman who does really need that sleep. They see it right away. And then it's it's like an easy fix like I can fix this I can give you a nap right? Like they can do something here to improve this. Situation and I feel like for a lot of us. We just we say no to the request before we even out verbalize it. Right. No on our behalf. Yes. Yes, so brilliant. We call it giving them no chances. Hey, we don't even get them one chance that alone. You know, we recommend three we get we decide that we decide they're going to be a no and then they even have a chance to say no for themselves exactly exactly in and we don't or this is anything we do. I it took me so long to learn this. if as a woman we can just State the result same as a man if we can just State what like if you need something your job is to be clear about what it is what it is what it would look like what a provide for you and then stop stop because what everybody wants to do then is now solve the how so this is what I need in this is how you can do it and if we can't figure out how they can do it will never tell them what we need them to do. And everybody knows being told how to do something is really insulting because it almost never fits like you tell me what you need Kayla. I'll figure out how to do it in a way that fits my entire life, right? There's no way you're going to know my entire life. Right? Right. So you say the what and then I figure out the how same thing and just honey. I I need two more hours of sleep every day. I need to our Mars of sleep. I can't even Think straight I'm becoming dangerous let alone let alone attentive and affectionate appreciative of you and all the work you're doing. Can you can you help me out here and then put them Ajit active of your mouth and if he says let me think about it. Let him think about it, right? Okay. When should I check back with you in three days? Okay. Thanks for think it was positive because he also he'll be sorry. That problem and he'll be solving it with what he knows. He can give and what resources could be spent and what where he sees he has space and let him the odds are to be brilliant. Mmm Yeah, I mean, I think that just that changes everything taking out the how we've been able to make so many changes in the way that our house the you know at one point where I have a whole episode on on scheduling and we sat down and said like it's just such a shame. We just can't do what we want in our life and then he was like, well, let's just write down what we want and let's look at everything. Named Noah, Noah, that's perfect. Yeah, let's try it out and forget it. They are compulsive problem solvers. It's a and we try to solve problems for them and they hate it. This is much as we hate them sobbing progress. They hit us some crunch to them. But every saw their own problems, just give them good problems. What does that mean good problems. Well a normal problem for men given by women as how to get out of a conversation alive. Okay. Ladies. This is where we had to cut the interview. I promised Alison is going to go more into what she means by that comment. I wanted to get every single minute that I could with Allison. I didn't do the cutting during the course of the interview. I just didn't want to waste even two minutes doing So we're stopping the interview here. I want you to take this information try and digest it really think about how you can try and apply it for next week. We're going to dive much more into problems and problem solvers and the second half of the interview. So if you haven't subscribed yet, make sure you're subscribed to the first year married podcast that way when it comes out next week you are for sure going to get the episode in your feet. All right. I can't wait to hear from you, please definitely reach out. Let me know what you're taking from this episode what you're Trying and all your wins. I love to hear how this is really really helping you and have an amazing week, bye-bye.

This week's episode is truly special. When Noah and I sat down to discuss who would be our absolute dream podcast guests, Alison Armstrong topped the list. Her work has been transformative for hundreds of men and women, as she takes the most confusing and frustrating differences between us and makes them crystal clear with humor, compassion, and her characteristic charm. For this episode, I got on the call with the intention of bringing her work into the realm of the newly married... those couples who are just getting to know each other, maybe building families and careers while they're at it. Alison was so wonderfully generous with her knowledge. The episode is divided into two parts, for several reasons. Mainly, I wanted to give you all the best opportunity to digest and try some of these ideas. So if you aren't subscribed yet, make sure to do that right away and you'll get the second part next Sunday when it is released. Alison Armstrong is the co-founder of PAX programs, author of The Queen’s Code book, Understand Men Online Course, and many more programs and workshops. You can find out much more at Alison’s Website: www.understandmen.com and learn about her upcoming LIVE event called LUX here: https://www.understandmen.com/worldevent/lux/ This is what we discussed in this week’s episode: What exactly is Frog Farming? How we just need to get out of the way. What causes men to misbehave? What should we do if our husbands are working too much? The surprising statistic about men in the first year of fatherhood. Why our plans for others never work. How to survive our husband’s early career intensity. How playfulness and affection feed our relationships. How young mothers can incorporate self-care. Why we aren’t getting what we need, and what to do about it. Let me know what you took from this episode! I can’t wait to hear your wins and celebrate with you!

Hello everybody. This is Shane Mick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. I was fortunate enough to interview YouTube sensation Med fit in detail about soil amendments. And why as a home grower you should care about what amendments you put into your soil method is a self educated person and talks about how he started growing his own in Las Vegas in 2014, like many new or novice home Growers. He tested me. Multiple different growing mediums, but eventually found his way with growing organically meant fit talks passionately about how super soil does nearly all of the work for him and like many traditional home Growers that have to PHP p.m. EC. He lets his soil do the work for him. He goes into detail as to how this process works. I especially like this approach because as many of you guys know I'm a relatively new home grower. I Like most home Brewers can't devote an excessive amount of time every day to growing my own. So Med fits almost, you know quote hands-off approach is something I think you can appreciate especially if you're looking for a simple way of growing your own cannabis without sacrificing yield or quality. Please remember to press subscribe and enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the cheap home grope. Podcast a show for individuals that want to learn more about growing cannabis indoors. This is a podcast dedicated to helping you with your indoor growing Adventure. You'll learn how to grow your own and not have to rely on others for your medicine. The cheap homegirl podcast will also feature timely interviews with cannabis industry veterans shaping the culture and politics of cannabis. All right here is your host Shane McCormick and the cheap home grow podcast. Hello everybody. This is Shea McCormick from the cheap home grow podcast. And on today's show. We have Med fit from the YouTube. Channel called medically fits and today he comes on the show and he is going to talk about cannabis amendments in your soil. So meant fit. If you could could you please tell my audience a little bit about yourself and then we can get right into the questions. Yeah. I've been growing probably seven eight years. Now that first started off living in Las Vegas Las Vegas. We had to Spencer. He's but they were kind of illegal so they started shutting them down, but we were able to grow our own so I kind of had to learn how to grow my own and by still marijuana on the black market, even though we had medical I guess dispensaries that were supposed to be up and running but everything changed 2014 for Vegas. So but that's kind of how I got into it. I kind of had to learn how to grow my own medication because I couldn't find any and to me Buying weed from a dispensary or black market was still kind of expensive sure. Right? Well, I mean, I think what I mean what I mean, I know this I know this goes back a few years, but I mean what what were the what were the what were the prices back then do you recall? Yeah, I can still probably get an eighth to about 35 bucks. But that was in Vegas and thousand them black market. So it was still to me it was. Isn't real expensive but it was still kind of expensive when you are trying to live on a budget, right? Okay. All right. Well, I mean I tell you what, I mean, here's here's my here's my first question for you. I mean have have you always grown organically or did you make that switch a little later on it was kind of later on it took me a little bit. So there's a couple things that happened in my life one. I had a roommate that he Somebody to start growing so I was trying to learn how to grow to my father passed away. So growing became more of a passion and it was a therapy for me. So that's how I got really started with growing and it started with synthetic nutrients. I kind of had a different couple different bottle notes. I tried different lines when I first started it Mike tried ewc. I've tried aquaponics and I tried a couple different things really seeing what worked for me and it took me a little bit to figure out going and starting off with a super soil was the easiest method for me. It was what I call the kiss method keep it simple stupid, right? Sure, you know, let's keep it as simple as possible and a lot of people have a hard time understanding that right? Yeah. I mean, I you know, I think I think you bring up, you know, I think Bring up a pretty good point there. I mean, you know, I'm though. I'm certainly no master, you know Master cannabis grow by by any stretch, but you know in my grows, you know, it's just all about keeping it really really simple and don't you know don't like I mean, I I know a lot of guys can come can sometimes, you know, complicate things and that's great. But I think most people especially most People that are getting into you know growing for the first time. It's just, you know, keep it really really really simple well and that's the thing a lot of people want to try different methods and I suggest trying it to see what works for people because everybody find something that works better for them. But to me it was I didn't I never had to pee pH R pH my water PPM are check my EC and continuity of my Mixtures, I didn't have to measure 5 10 15 20 milliliters and mix it and then recheck it that was wait. Is that what took up a lot of time doing all that stuff super super soil was real simple where I took dry organic amendments and mix them into a base and I just watered never really pH the water. Sometimes I would just kind of checking it if it was City Tap I would leave it set out, you know kind of help get rid of the chlorine and Chloramine, but it was just real simple. I just dumped white water on it. Yeah, exactly. I just don't and and so so really, I mean what you're saying here is that is I mean or I think what you're saying is that the the soil is doing most of the work right? It's doing most of the heavy lifting it is it is because soil is living dirts not. Dirt does it have any by Allah biology to it sucks just bacteria fungi more you can inoculate dirt and start to create a soil with it. And yeah make it a living habitat. So that's what really differentiates with soil. It's a living biology that in the plant actually kind of worked together. There's a thing called Arbus Guillory fungi that are fungi that actually send little deals in into the roots of the plant that kind of signal each other back and forth. So there's a symbiotic relationship with it. Okay. Alright. Okay. Well, I mean, you know, and I know this question wasn't really on my list that I had for you but you know you you brought up you brought a pretty good point there. I mean why I tell you what, why should a home grower care about the Amendments that are in his soil welcomes to a couple different things? Okay. By those nutrients have a shelf life whether you're trying to do synthetic Organics. There's a certain shelf life that that's going to work. The solubility is going to stay the same. It's you know, the usage of it. The second part is the salt you put in your soil and the synthetics you're putting in there is actually killing the biology most people are trying to force-feed their plant where the soil itself the living soil is actually the it's feeding the and so the plant takes up what it needs when it needs so I'm not force feeding the plant with bottle nutrients. So there's a difference in what's going on with the plant and that's where I kind of look at things. All right. Well, I mean, what do you I'll take what I mean. What do you what do you look at there? I'm not trying to do a lot of ecological damage where I'm because there's a lot of runoff and waste with hydroponic Growers and where they dumped in that down our sewers. On our drains, where's that's going it's got to be then treated and it's killing a lot of the biology in the rivers and the streams and all the right the waist run off the soil. That's like, you know, the it's leaching into the soil and causing where you're getting all these extra nutrients running off into the streams and causing like algae blooms and like it's it gets to where I'm looking at it from a bigger picture instead of oh, I'm just going to dump this down my drain, right? Yeah. Exactly. So so what you're saying is that you don't want to put that waste back into the environment pretty much. Yeah. I'm trying to leave a small carbon footprint as possible and my biggest carbon footprint besides people that use nutrients is the lighting the way. Okay. All right. Well, I mean, I know well, I know we didn't talk about that prior but I mean, I mean, how would you I guess leave a minimal impact in terms of your lighting. I mean what I mean what should You know, what should a a home grower do there? A lot of people are now switching to LEDs which are more efficient. Yep. There's a couple really good ones Horticultural Lighting Group. They're a great company. What is it Pacific concepts? Are there's another one. What is it rapid LED? So there's quite a few different good LED companies that are really focusing more on the Cannabis industry. Alright, okay. Alright men. It I mean let's let's get let's let's get a little bit back. Lets lets, you know get back into the Amendments type conversation. Now, you know when it comes to Organics and feeding the the soil and it creates a healthy root Zone and breaks down amendments for the plant to uptake now, you know, where as you know bottle newts, you know, they're they're just trying to you know, Go feed the the plant I mean like I mean, I mean, how would you I guess how would you best describe that if you if you kind of know what I'm saying? Well a lot of yeah, a lot of it comes to the electric continuity of the solubility to me of the bottle of nutrients because they're trying to use cations to me to help take up nutrients. It's a synthetic form. So it's causing the plant to start feeding on your schedule instead of where the biology in the soil. It's Self the plant will signal. Hey, we need this so it will signal through its exudates a little chemistry that will allow the biology the fungi are bacteria to know what it's looking for. So then these will break it down and release it to the plant so it can up take it when it's ready. So what it does is in anaerobic system. The biology is actually breaking down dry organic amendments. Turn it into like a humic acid in a sense where it's in a ready available soluble form almost so the other yeah, there's the biology it's a little complicated with Biology because a lot of people think just to biology as bacteria and fungi. That's not the case because they keep and store all the biology are the the nutrients in their bodies unless they died or eaten and pooped out. So That's the only way those are now being released into the biology and the soil or into the plant. So the biology is a little bit more than just bacteria and fungi. Okay. Alright. Well, I mean I tell you I mean that that leads me that leads me to my next question here. I mean, you know and and and again, I mean, you know, this is coming from a home Growers perspective, right? I mean, I'll tell you what, I mean what you know, what is is what is something that someone can add you know to their soil that will give them the biggest impact I mean and and and also I mean, how how does that actually work? Well, a lot of people would say worm castings, but that's not really the case where I'm casting as a great choice, but your own compost because in our compost you should have all of the biology especially if you're doing Outdoors you're going to The full soil food web getting into that compost and that's what you're really looking for. Your Verma Coast are your vermicompost is going to be basically worms breaking down and getting enzymes and enzymatic action with bacteria and fungi. But your compost is getting the arthropods the protozoa the nematodes the thing that helped eat the fungi the worms even will help break down. In the bacteria and fungi, but you're trying to get more of the full range of biology in that soil. So if you're composting outdoors and you can keep the temperatures, right, you know turning it every so often that's going to be the best choice to put in a soil mix compared to just worm castings. Okay. Alright and and you know, perhaps I should have asked you this prior. I mean what when you say when you say compost right? I mean what-what exactly DDO You mean by compost welcome, you know, I mean really good compost to me is a variety of you have your fruits vegetables that you're throwing your produce from your house such as some eggshells and coffee grounds, but you're also getting some Leaf like leaves from the trees around you're getting grass clippings. You're getting clippings from other plans Outdoors thrown in there that you're trying to create, you know, Oh this brown to Green ratio of these the greens are more filled with the sugars and carbohydrates to it compared to the brown where it's already kind of broken down and that so that's why you're kind of getting a mixture and you're doing like some people do the lasagna layering of different amendments. So the worms the bacteria the biology can work their way through and break everything down. So that's that's what I would suggest is like what a compost is when Composters. All right. Okay fair enough. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the you know, the the the simplistic, you know, some people use some manure and to it to to get other biology which I do I use it in a way of insect frass or if I'm around a farm I if I can get some cow manure or horse manure. I'm trying to throw a little bit of that as well. So, all right. Okay, cool, man. Cool. I mean this is one of my My you know, this is one of my last question. It's not it's not it's not the last question. But you know, I mean, I'll tell you what, I mean, what what would you say to somebody thinking about growing their own organic cannabis? I mean what you know, I guess what, you know, what advice would you give that person that is just and you know, and I mean really meant fit. I mean you are not talking to the guy that's been growing for you know, seven eight. Nine, ten years you're talking to the person that is thinking about you know, growing their own. I mean, maybe they've done it in the past, you know, but in the past they've you know screwed up. So, I mean really what advice would you give that person? Well, actually it's a vice for the all-time grower that switching over from bottle nutrients to even new Growers that are wanting to grow are messed up trying bottled nutrients that are wanting to try something else. And finding something simpler. So I'm really talking to a lot of people and not just the new grower because I've had people ask me that are switching from bottle nutrients growing for seven eight years as style Hydro wanting to switch over to soil and ask me more about it. Okay. So Organics is like I was saying it's keeping the method simple. It's keeping it where the biology is. Doing the work for you year, you're not doing a whole lot. Like there's a range of you can use dry amendments and living Organics or you can go a no-till style. We're using cover crops and creating more and more biomass which is feeding the biology and they're breaking that down and creating the nitrogen the phosphorus the trace minerals that you're looking for instead of adding the dry organic amendments. So there's a couple different Ways that it doesn't cost a lot you're getting more of a return more people are liking the cleaner product the terpene profiles that are coming out of Organics compared to hydro are just blowing people away. And a lot of people don't comprehend. We're just letting Mother Nature do itself. She's already had this design hundreds of thousands of years. And why are we complicating it? Right? Yeah, exactly and and that goes back to your to your original. To your original statement that just just keeping it, you know keeping it simple stupid Ki SS. Yep and see with Organics, you know that like a lot of people are trying to not just grow for recreational but further on medication and so a lot of people are trying to keep it as clean as possible. And this is why we talk Organics is this is more of the cleanest way to grow your plant as you can and not force feeding all these bottles. Nutrients where a lot of people don't have the money to continuously invest every month. I got to go spend a hundred fifty bucks on these bottle nutrients in this A and B mixture and this I can spend a hundred bucks and get 5 pounds of down to earth amendments and get several boxes that I can what make super soil and T's to feed my plants that will last me six months to a year. If not longer depending on my feeding regiment. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, I mean really I mean and you know, I mean as you know my podcast it's called it's called cheap home grow. Right? I mean, so right I mean so coming from your perspective in terms of I tell you what like in terms of what you grow and and how much money you spend. I mean, I mean really, I mean you don't have to get I mean, I don't mean to get super super personal here, but I mean or in a particular year. I mean how much money would you say that you spend? And growing your own well, and this is really funny conversation right here because I did a greenhouse grow and one of my good friends. He goes by buds on Buds and he did a 10K and or grow and we talked about what we used for soil amendments because he was a cocoa and he was on bottle nutrients and I talked to my down to earth. Amendments are anywhere from 10 to 15 dollars per five-pound box. And I get you know this variety and then we talk about lighting costs and how growing Outdoors didn't cost me nothing for lighting. But he spending twelve to fifteen hundred dollars almost two grand on lighting a month for energy bill. Yeah to enzyme month. We're few G's for 10K lighting for 10,000 watts of lighting as what they're almost running through because they have, you know, all the other equipment from Um feeding fans, it's just Jesus. But yeah, so it gets expensive for growing big and or when I can do outdoor in a greenhouse and not spend nothing on my energy. So there's one view of it. If I'm doing a small indoor grow, right? I don't do more than let's see. I had a 600 watt light that I changed out for a 315 ceramic metal halide because it has UVA rays to it. And then I got a Samsung LED 260 watt from Horticulture Lighting Group that I put in there. And so it was close to 600 total Watts, maybe 650 that I had in my flower room that I would pull almost a pound off of for plants Jesus. Wow, but it was Organics and I was letting them veg out. You know, I wasn't trying I'm about quality and not about quantity. Mmm. And so that's why a lot of people Well, if you know they're looking for my product I charge more for it because it's about the quality. It's that craft. It's that it's that taste that you're looking for and you're like, that's it, right? Yeah, exactly. It's that it's you know, it's that feel when you get in that in that taste it we're like, you know where you basically say to yourself man. This is it this is you know, this is The Real McCoy so to speak. Yeah, and it's a much smoother taste with Organics. It's It's much cleaner. Like everybody talks about. Oh, I flushed my plants. I flushed my plants and I can get it all out. Oh, well, first of all, you cannot get it all out of your plant for one reason, your plant itself has exudates that it releases sugars and biology hormones to the biology around the root zone. So even when you're flushing your plan to you're still going to read that your plants. There's still something coming out even a day later. All right. So everybody's like, oh, I'm flushing it. 2-0, ppm's. No, you're not check it a day later. Just run a little bit test it. You'll still see that there's residue left in their organic Growers. We don't talk about flushing because we're not trying to destroy the biology in the soil. We may talk. We may help rinse out any if there's any salts I got in there or starts to build up, you know salts in there that kind of help get them out of the plant zone, but that's it. We don't talk about really flushing or plants because we're not Killing that biology right? Yeah. I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know exactly where you are coming from there. So yeah, man, and and you know, I mean really my my last question is right and this is a question that I ask everybody that comes on the show. Are there are there any other questions that I should be asking or you know any other final statements that you would like to make? Well, there's a couple job. So first of all, like a lot of people want to know you know, how am I educated? Well, I'm actually self-educated like I've done tons and tons of hours of research not only on YouTube but on Google Scholar looking up information wanting to know more because if I'm growing this plant for myself, I'm trying to grow it the best way possible and for me to do that is to actually research stuff for myself and not just take everybody's word for it. But to go And search for it to find that knowledge and go. Oh they are right. Okay. Well, let's look into this a little bit more and look into this because it leads you down a rabbit hole of information. That is only beneficial to yourself growing that plant Mmm Yeah, and well, I mean, you know, I can I can tell you know, I can tell men fit that you are a very passionate guy and I mean perhaps I should have asked you this within the first, you know couple of minutes of the show, but I mean What does organic cannabis mean to you? Well, it means I'm using dry organic amendments are cover crops. I'm trying to keep things as natural as possible of mimicking Mother Nature doing you know, like a lot of no-till Growers are understanding regenerative agriculture sure, and that's what they're doing with their beds is building up those biomass layers creating such a layer that you don't ever need to feed your plants. Except just water. You're no longer. You're using dry organic amendments are not topdressing. You don't really need tees to get that biology ratio back up in there because you're putting so much diversity and cover crop that you're getting the diversity of biology in the soil. So it really goes to it's changing over time on what Organics really has started off as in in this cannabis Community to what it's really becoming now. Yeah, right. I mean it seems to be you know, it seems to be the wave of the future, you know, especially if you're if you're growing at home in my opinion, I mean my show it's primarily about home grow. But let me ask you this though. I'm sorry go. There are a lot of Home Growers that are doing no-till Styles growing. They are because there are a lot of Home Growers that are taking a 4x4 tent and putting one huge pot in there. Putting several plants in this pot and putting grasses and legumes and buckwheat and clover and growing along with it as companion plants as cover crop. So a lot of Home Growers are really doing and changing to us style method. Right? Right. And and I mean, do you do you see that in the coming years? Do you see that? I guess getting more and more popular and if you do why since the time that I've started growing I seen it more and more people move to organic regenerative no-till agriculture more and more people are understanding how simple it is. How much of a better product overall they're getting people talk about. Oh, well Organics you don't yield as much know they're starting to see a quite a bit more yields than what they were because now we're starting to get it dialed in where before we were still just starting to And why Organics were important? Well now it's getting more dialed in and so people are getting a better product and still getting good yields and So that's kind of why I see a lot more people moving to it a lot or people that are wanting to become more conscious ecologically conscious and not want to destroy this planet would move towards it and get away from using bottle of nutrients exactly bottle bottle newts men. And and you know, I I mean, I think you talked a little bit about this but I mean in terms of you know in terms of a recipe for a home Well, we're in terms of newts. I mean what I mean, what would you recommend? You know that they put in their you know in their soil well, and that's a good question because starting off to get most people to get like to the no-till state. They start off doing super soils and super soils are a bunch of different organic amendments dry or amendments organic amendments in the soil that allow the biology to break everything down. Down so you're going to use stuff as worm castings. You're going to use manure you're going to use Alfalfa Clover. Kelp meal neem seed meal people will use oyster shell for calcium or Dolomite lime for calcium and magnesium Rock phosphate for like the B vitamin complex. Crab Mill crustacean Mill. That's another great one that people are I didn't really help bring on different profiles in the terpenes as of my volcanic rust or Trace its trace minerals. So just like we as humans need trace minerals in our bodies. So does the plant Arsenic and Lead our plants need that and a lot of people like, oh, it's real bad the plants not really up taking it, but they need that Trace mineral that its key with certain functions of the plant but getting back to some of the the It's bokashi because she's a good one because it's three different bacterias together that will help start breaking down some of the bad biology in the soil. You have biochar, which is a great Amendment you have green sand, which is a silica humic acids, depending on fast-acting or selecting you have different types of nitrogen blood meals a fast-acting feather meal is a Slow acting so it breaks down slower. So when you're going in a flower, you're still going to have a little bit of nitrogen there for your plants. So it doesn't start lurk looking nitrogen hungry. Okay, what else steam bone meal? So that's some of the stuff that I would use in my super soil. Yep. All right. All right. All right. All right. I meant benefit there. I mean, you know that that does it for the questions that I had. And you know, I mean, I know I just I know I just asked you to ask you this question a few minutes ago. But I mean, I mean in addition to your first final statement. Do you have any other final statements that you would like to make I have a YouTube channel, if you guys are looking for more information medically fit. I've got around 10,000 subscribers. I kind of follow and listen to what I'm educating about. I do drop a lot of gold nugget in. Nation and a lot of my videos. I'm just trying to help educate people get people interested in this plant and in and understand more about the biology of what's going on in the soil that works along with the plant because that symbiotic relationship they have and that's what we're coming back to is understanding how if we can we can heal the planet from climate change a lot of it's getting back to getting the biology back in the soil getting cover crops to help keep the soil cool and not get it hot and killing the biology. So there's a lot of stuff that really goes with regenerative agriculture growing cannabis hemp Fields, you know, there's just a lot of information around it. No. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, it's funny. The information is is almost never ending so much coming out. Yeah so much. I mean when I first started trying to understand the plant, you know, we knew about See and we knew about CBD but then we started learning about th CV and cbda and thca and now CBG and CB so it's gone from just a few cannabinoids to over a hundred different cannabinoids terpenes flavonoids alkaline different things in the roots that are down coming out about the plant that seven eight years ago. We didn't even begin to understand right? Yeah, but you know some that That's a good point. I mean just imagine what the next 5-10 years. Yeah, 10 years are going to be I mean, it's Jesus Christ. I mean, I mean it is truly the potential for cannabis I think is truly untapped in my opinion. Well, it's not just untap but it's scary and not knowing where this industry is really going because a lot of people recreational want it pumped out. We want pot we want pot and it's just pot to them but really they're getting the medicinal Benefits where a lot of the medical Growers that love growing for the medicinal purpose of the plant. Yes, there is a lot of people coming out with a lot of great medical information and what it's doing and how it's helping and more research needs to be done with that. Not just with that but the terpene profiles the plants for there's a gentleman now that created a all CBG are close to all CBG cultivar of Connecticut of Besides, which that's he changed some of the so it's considered genetically modified because he changed some of the markers on it, but the industry is now starting to genetically modify the plant. So that's where some of the scariness comes into but they're looking to change for different cannabinoid profiles now, which can be very beneficial. So it's we're in this era of so much information. Nation coming out that is it going to be a positive or negative for what's really going on. Right? Well, I mean it's like anything else. I mean, I think I think there's going to be some you know, I mean some some some positive. Well, I hope there's going to be more positive than negative. But you know, I say if you allow people to to study the the plant if you just allow them to attack the plant with their You know with their individual research. Yeah right there so much different research that people are talking about wanting to do with this. But because of the federal laws right now all across the world, it's hard to do some of this research that needs to be done and I believe when it's federally legalized and the world finally Embraces the legalization of it. There's going to be so much information that comes out within that first 5 to 10 years of it being Legalize that it's going to be amazing, right? Yes gonna be amazing. Oh, yeah. I think you are certainly right there, sir. Absolutely. Absolutely. But but really that fit it was it was a pleasure talking to you and you know, I hope to I hope to talk to you again soon. Yeah any time feel free to give me a holler and I'll definitely chat with you more. I've got a lot of information I can share It's just from the years of continuously doing research and wanting more and wanting more. Yeah, and it's kind of crazy. Right? I mean, you know, I mean here you are you are a guy, you know, you're not a doctor. You're not a scientists or at least I don't think you are. Oh, but I have that scientific mindset like my mind thinks that way I don't I don't want to go to college and have a huge bill just to learn Horticulture on botany when I can study most of it myself. Like my old roommate we lived together for three and a half years. She had her master's and botany and Horticulture her thesis that she had to write was on plant succession and so her and I had a lot of great talks and knowledge that we shared with each other because she thought cannabis was easy to grow until she started trying to learn beside me and realized. Oh my God, you really have to tend to this more than like once a week. I'm like, yeah, it's like every day you need to get be in there and see what's going on with your plants like yeah, exactly. So it's pretty interesting for even her to look at the plant as from a difference but perspective and go. Wow. It's it's pretty intricate itself. Yeah. I mean she well, I mean she what she wrote or she was writing a thesis and she didn't know how difficult it was for us as we felt for her to grow know her thesis was On plant succession and basically how it goes mmm, but she she's grown plants. She's worked at nurseries. So she's been around all these different types of plants except cannabis. Hmm. And now she's living in Colorado. She's got to play around with cannabis. You know, she ran, you know, we got to meet through a boyfriend and so I introduced her to more the cultivation and growing of cannabis where She you know knew from how to grow but she didn't know how to grow cannabis because it was different to her it it took more and so I can water my plant. It's just going to grow for me and I don't have to touch it or come back to it. Mmm. That's not quite it should be the case, but it's not quite the case with how we cultivate cannabis right here. We actually have to spend more time with it actually nurture it a little bit more and you know, it's we It just set it and forget it. Yeah, no. No, it's not a you know, it's not that it's not that simple. I mean, you know in nature it is but not when you're bringing the endorse, it's not right. Yeah, so I have a question for you. Right? I mean, let's say let's say a new home grow only has a certain budget in mind and they want to buy, you know amendments right? I mean and let's say they have you know, fifty a hundred. Arid, or maybe like a hundred and fifty bucks what? You know, what do you think they should buy with the with the money that they have? Well, that's a great question because a lot of people do ask that like hey, I only have X amount of spend and I can't buy a lot. But what are some of the better amendments that I can purchase that's not going to cost me a lot and that's a lot of down-to-earth amendments. Like I've talked about really run from 10 to 15 dollars for a Box which will last a while, but if I was to get some amendments that I needed the most or that I look forward to worm castings. Kelp Alfalfa. I would try to get something to help buffers like oyster shell or even some as a Max for the trace minerals. Those would be some of the key ones that I would look forward to another one. That's not a down there at the amendment would be insect frass. Insect frass is basically bug poop or guano, whatever you want to call it. But it also has a couple things in it has some bacteria fungi protozoa which are key parts of your biology of the soil and it has chitin which is like a plant growth hormone that helps the plant with growing and fending off. So there's a lot of different things that actually go along with like these amendments. Okay. Well, you know, I mean well, I mean, what's I mean, I know it's difficult to answer because I mean every every region is different right I mean, but I mean, you know, I mean generally speaking. I mean how much do those things cost and really also mean where you know, I mean where could you go and actually buy those types of amendments and add them to your soil? Well, if you're in a legal State most of your hydro grow stores nurseries even nurseries carry them some It's down to earth or dry or gimp organic ments. Another place is Amazon. If you need to order something and your local place doesn't carry it, you can find most of the down-to-earth amendments on Amazon or something that's similar to it like bokashi or insect frass. You can find almost all of them. They're really Walmart Walmart. Here's what's crazy about Walmart Walmart Stephen getting in the game and legal states that on their website. Can purchase some of these products but you have to be able to go to their store like a day or two later to pick it up really know? Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, they're going to be you know, they're going to be the next stop shop for people that want to grow if you want to grow their own seems yeah, that's that's yeah. That's that's that's pretty cool. I mean, you know, yeah sure very interesting, isn't it? It is interesting. Holy shit. Yeah. It's a A big well, you know, it's it's a big and it's a growing Market the people that want to grow so and there are a lot of different down-to-earth amendments are down our I don't stay down there dry organic amendments. I like down to Earth because they're reasonable priced. I like where a lot of their product comes from. So that's why I stay with using most of their product. There are other ones out there that people may still like to use instead of down to earth. So, you know don't necessarily take my word on down Earth amendments are the best because I'm not saying that I'm saying find what works for you and my recommendation is if you need something cheap down to earth is a great place to start done Earth. Okay? Yep down to earth right and down-to-earth amendments. Now, is that well, I'll tell you what, is that does? Can you buy that online or is that? Yep? Okay, you can buy online you go right to Amazon down-to-earth amendments and it will Pull up a whole bunch of different amendments or you a whole bunch of stuff for you. Yep. Well, you know again man that you know, thank you for coming on and you know, I hope to have to talk to you again soon. Yeah. Have a great day. Thanks for taking the time to listen to my show with Medford. He can be found on Instagram at medically fit. That's Meed. I see all Wi-Fi tea and he also has a YouTube channel. No with over 10,000 subscribers. They are his YouTube channel is called medically fit as well. I hope you've enjoyed this episode and please remember the press the Subscribe button. You can visit cheat home grow.com / episode 49 to get show highlights, and please remember to sign up for my email list. Thanks guys. I'll see you next week. Thank you for listening to the cheap home grow. Cast we do our best to bring you quality content. Let's grow together. 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I was fortunate enough to have youtube sensation on the Cheap Home Grow podcast this week. I(eye)yan aka Medfit talks in detail about soil amengements and why as a home grower you should care about what amendments you put into your soil. Medfit is self educated and talks about how he started growing in Las Vegas in 2014. Like many new or novice home growers he tested multiple different growing mediums but eventually found his way with growing organically. Medfit talks passionately about how super soil does nearly all of the work for him and like many traditional home growers that have to PH, PPM, EC etc.. he lets his soil do that work for him. He does into detail as to how this process works. I especially like this approach because as many of you know I'm a relatively new grower. I, like most home growers can't devote an excessive amount of time everyday to growing my own so Medfit's almost "hands off" approach is something I think you can appreciate especially if your looking for a simple way of growing your own cannabis without savificing quality or yield. Please remember to press "subscribe" and enjoy the show This podcast is definately worth a listen for anyone that's interested in "spicing" up there own soil and getting a better quality tasting bud. Why Should You Care About Which Amendments You Have In Your Soil https://cheaphomegrow.com/soil-amendments Subscribe To The CHG Podcast on iTunes https://cheaphomegrow.com/itunes Subscribe To The CHG Podcast on Spotify https://cheaphomegrow.com/spotify Listen To The CHG On Anchor https://anchor.fm/cheaphomegrow Learn How To Grow Your Own Cannabis https://cheaphomegrow.com/growing-cannabis Follow CHG On Social Media: https://instagram.com/cheaphomegrow https://twitter.com/cheaphomegrow https://facebook.com/cheaphomegrow --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/cheaphomegrow/support

Welcome to the Decades of strength podcast. We are Sam Marcy Sarah and Kim and we are for women on one Mission. We are obsessed with empowering women to gain confidence build strength and ditch feelings of unworthiness releasing the shame around your struggles is hard work, especially if you feel alone and so we wanted to create this podcast as a way to unite women of all ages from allocations.Is all sizes and shapes and really just want to invite you to sit at our table come as you are health and fitness is for everybody and we're here to remind you that you belong you matter. You are brave you are capable you are deserving of success maybe right now, you don't truly believe those things and that's okay when we first got started we didn't either but we promise that each episode. We will show up vulnerably we want you to realize your potential. And the truth of who you really are. We will help you step into success and acknowledge that the power already lies within you. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and read it on iTunes tigers in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. We are determined to have the biggest and the most inclusive community of women sitting at the picnic table together. Hello. Hello, welcome back to another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. I am your host today sanitary and with me I have my wonderful other three women the other decades Kim schlag Marcin Evan and Sarah delft and we are here to rock your world. Whoa. Oh, hey everybody. It's gonna be a crazy episode. We have some serious energy in the house today. 6 I'm sitting on my bouncy ball jumping up and down. We're all doing a little dance in the reason being because we are going to talk about the shifts that happen in the fall kind of seasonal depression things that shift as we move into September October and like the holiday months and how lack of daylight and just a shift in motivation can start to shift for you and we want to talk about what happens to us. What happens to some of our clients? And how we can stay motivated stay on track heading into the new year feeling good and not just using this the next two or three months as a way to just say screw it in fast forward to starting in January when you could have used the next ten weeks to work towards your goal. So ladies, I think that we should start by just talking about like our general experiences. I know from my point of view. I definitely noticed a shift. Shift in my energy with a lack of daylight and just to getting colder and me not wanting to go outside and do anything with my life. And do you guys have similar experiences or similar feelings? Do you notice that shift Sarah want you go first? I definitely do. I have this theory that as soon as the pumpkins at the pumpkins hit the shop and the Pumpkin like syrup stuff hit Starbucks things just start to go downhill. L they just go one care like it's just a really kind of weird psychological thing that happens every year that I just suddenly everything seems like such an effort and it is always at this point that I am like praising to the universe grateful for the fact that my life runs on habits because without them bad boys, I literally would sit on my butt from pump. Second time till the first of January and probably do nothing but kind of eat and watch TV shows the struggle is real and I I don't struggle from sad seasonal. What is it seasonal affective affective this I don't think I suffer from that but it is just a real shift in like daylight and the temperature and just everything being harder work. So if you do struggle with it, I Yeah, but can't let it use a cart use it as an excuse to just let it all go to pot. Shall we say? I feel that is super valuable like running on habits. Uh-huh. God says so huge because ultimately we spend the majority of our day just doing things automatically. We don't even think about it. So if you can get to a place where that is, just so you know routine for you then yeah, it's going to be harder to overcome the cold or the stress or the you know lack of light but you'll do it because it's just like you're like, yep, there's going to be shitty days and we're going to do it. It's okay. And you always feel better afterwards. If you've been sounding the surf are watching a movie or whatever and you can't really don't want to go out like guaranteed if you just take the time go out do a spin around the block come about you like yes. Oh great. So glad I did that. Yeah. What about you guys mercies Kim? Yeah, so I'll be honest. I live in California where hi, all right. On the snow. I think I would be miserable in the snow and it will be way more difficult for me to get off my ass and get outside but even in California where I live up in the Bay Area, you know, it'll get into the 20s some day during the winter which for me is very cold, hashtag thyroid problems. Like I'm freezing when it's like 80 degrees outside sometimes. Yeah, it could be like really Be difficult. It's not so much the darkness. I actually really like this time of year. I am more of a fall person. I don't like the winter, but I don't mind when it's overcast or a little bit dreary outside. I did go to school in Oregon. Sorry which college in Oregon. So I was used to that so don't mind the darkness. It's the cold that really gets to me and the past gosh 10 years. Now I have, you know worked and worked. Out with my own workouts in a gym that technically has a heater but it's cinderblock. It's really high ceiling. So all of the heat rises to the top and it is her reason in that like so it's really hard to like motivate myself to start my training session when it's that cold same thing. You know, like I'm a huge Walker I tried non-negotiable for me is at least one walk a day if not more. So when you step outside and it's freezing and can't feel your hands. You can't build your feet and like Snot is running out your nose because it's so cold. What am I doing? And it's so easy to talk yourself out of it. But like we said earlier it's all about the habits. And here's the thing. It's going to be cold. But if you're moving your body eventually you are going to warm up. I am not kidding you. I have put on like two heating pads. I'll like microwave a heating pad one for around my neck one that I'll put inside my jacket off two pairs of pants. I'll have like two jackets gloves everything whatever I need to do to keep myself somewhat warm. I prepare myself for the elements in that way. And then yeah once you get going you kind of warm up, so that's what I it just it's a non-negotiable. No excuse. And then I feel so much better. Yeah Marty. I think you made a really good point before we hop over to Kim and just want to touch upon it. What you focus on is what you are ultimately going to think about right? So if you feel like you're freezing all the time, if you feel like winter socks, well winter is going to suck and you're going to be freezing all the time. It's just like like for example, if you if you do any winter sport or and like say you do snowboarding or you are a skier when you're doing that activity. It's fucking freezing out its so cold literally freezing, you know, maybe even in the negatives but you're not focused on that because your focus on the fun you're having and you're like, oh I'm going on the mountain. It's so great. But if you were to think about how cold it was, you wouldn't want to get out on the mountain ever, you know, so finding things I think like you said finding ways I perspective shifts to be like, hey, you know, at least I can walk outside or at least there's like there's some beauty in this like, oh, it's beautiful out like might be cold, but maybe there's like a great tree. I can look at her there's something good. Out what you're doing even if the cold is kind of, you know, all the Dharma or whatever. The thing is, that's well. I will always say one thing. I kind of got into this habit. Like I got into walking habit probably. Yeah like ten years ago or so and at the time I was like really into getting as lean as I possibly could like that was my main focus and read an article on this website called T Nation. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's basically like a bodybuilding. Type of website and I read an article that was called 100 workouts to Ripped City and I was like, that's an annoying title. Like what's this about and basically the premise of the article was all about doing not just like not necessarily fasted cardio, but just fasted morning walks and I was like, well, that sounds easy I'm going to do it. And so that is what kind of started my walking habit and and I came across. Us the article during the winter, so it was just like my motivation to start, you know, yeah, that's great because it's approachable right? Like, you know, you can go for a walk. There's not that much that much mental gymnastics you have to do to get out for a walk. Yeah, but it was also just like, okay. Well, I'm going to start this even though it's freezing outside, you know, and I know like Sam when we were in London we talked about that programs. 35 hard, which is like I still do want to do it. I'm probably going to start like sometime in November but two workouts a day. One of the workouts has to be outside for 45 minutes and it's just that thing like you just like throw yourself into the fire, you know. Yeah, so maybe we give yourself that that carrot right as motivation. So anyway, yeah. No, I think that's awesome. That's awesome. What about you can what's your experience with the fall? So I do not personally experience seasonal affective disorder. I do have one of my kids who does and I do have seasonal disorder disorder, which basically means this time of the year through the end of the year I have too much to do on top of my usual too much to do because I'm a big over celebrator. I have three birthdays in my family at this time of year including my own. I host a massive Thanksgiving dinner. I host a massive Christmas Eve dinner and I told host to Christmas. All of these I've already started, you know doing some planning on it's just I really like to celebrate there's so many reasons for fun. And there was a time in my life a long stretch of my life that this was you know, this was cause for I don't have time to exercise. I certainly don't have time to eat healthy food. I'm eating all the stuff. I'm making for all of these meals. So I will say I think for a lot of people just the fun and busyness of this time of year can be a big issue and that is something I have a lot of experience with asthma how do I handle that? Yeah. I That I think what I'm kind of hearing you say to is remembering to keep yourself a priority amidst the chaos in Wichita yellow like fun chaos, right subscribe. Like I'm doing that because I love it but it's still like it worked and it takes some time. Yeah, so I think generally heading into the last, you know, two and a half months of 2019, right? Like there's a new decade around the corner and I think that we can all agree that there's ten weeks of like opportunity whether you improve or if you don't do anything right your kind of slipping backwards because you have that room to improve and so we want to encourage you that it's not too late to use those ten weeks and you can certainly accomplished a lot in ten weeks. You're not going to get your dream body in 10 weeks. Of course, like you're not it's not going to be this life-changing thing, but you can make a lot of progress in 10 weeks and I think My experience I would have seen the last 10 weeks of the year is like I'm just going to wait till January 1st to start like it. There's there's no point like kind of just tossing in the towel. And you know, I think throughout our own Journeys we've kind of realized like hey, you know, what something is better than nothing especially amidst all the parties in the planning and the fun and the family events and the food. It's like you can still do a little something. It doesn't give you this like, you know, This excuse to be like well screw it. There's all these things might as well just wait another few months to start. So it feels like it would be a really feels like a really great reason to say like now's not the time, right? It feels like this isn't the best time but the reality of the situation is you could say that about every time of the year, depending on what your personal life situation is my very first online client. It took her a whole year to realize this I we kept trying to talk through it. It wasn't too literally A year had passed. She's like, I'm right back where I started telling you why this is not the right time of year for me because it went through like, oh, it's summer vacation once we get back on a schedule and now she's back on the schedule though the kids football and bandits really busy and now it's the holidays and now she did have seasonal affective Source again now it's winter and so we took all the way back for a whole year for her to realize there is no great time. It's literally the time in front of you and right now we have the next ten weeks so is now yeah one thing to consider and hopefully this gives people some proposed perspective. I don't know what the statistic is. I'm sure you could figure it out. They looked up online but there is an average amount of weight that people typically gain between a during the holiday season. So if that's going to be you and if you decide now is not the right time. I'm just going to start in January and you do put on that weight. Now you like you've basically dug yourself into that hole or an even deeper. Hole to try to dig yourself out of come January 1st. So why not start now, even if it's not perfect even if you just take that messy action and do something rather than nothing that way like maybe you're just maintaining your weight and I always tell clients in a really busy season that maintaining their weight is a form of progress a hundred percent. Oh my gosh. Yeah when you were taking care of yourself when you're moving. A body when you are getting in a workout when you're trying to eat, you know somewhat healthy that is almost encouragement. I think to keep making good choices for yourself at those parties at the you know, the family dinners and whatnot. So it can just make it a little bit easier for sure. I think there's 33 if I'm not mistaken. Three days between Thanksgiving and New Year's. All right, so we can add another twenty something taste that so there's about like 55 days of the year between that holiday season and I think that that's a that is a great reason to prevent your own, you know failure. I guess you could call it throughout those weeks rather than reacting to it on the backend what you're saying Marcy is like you can start putting some habits in place. Even if it's one habit like Marcia, Talk about walking. Even if you just start making your walks be something that you just do what you do every day. If it's five minutes, whether it's an hour or whatever it is, but something just start a new habit right now to start building that so that once you get to January 1st, it's like, okay cool. I'm here and I've kind of approach this and I have a new habit built instead of reacting to the ten pounds you gained over the course of the holidays are you know as the shift happens? So and also remembering that like not every minute of every day needs to be festive time between now and then right? So like just because you have a party one night doesn't mean breakfast and lunch have to go to pot. Right? We really fall prey To That All or Nothing mentality. So just really keeping in mind like there's plenty of plenty of opportunity to like make these good habits, you know, whether it's in the morning or in the afternoon, there's plenty of time. So don't be coming from a place of fear of like I can You this and this is this is not for me right now and I can't be perfect because you just don't need to be you don't even need to be yeah. Yeah, I think that that brings up a really good point on just general mindset heading into this season, right? So if you do struggle with sad if you're sad, but if you if you do struggle with that then knowing that about yourself and setting up your thoughts and like your life in a way that helps you make that easier. So if you know that you're struggling like have accountability start building in some tools that you can use to help yourself get through this time because it's not easy. It's harder for some people depending on where you live how much daylight you have like what your life looks like. If you're in a season of transition, maybe you just started school or you're in a new job or something is happening then making an action plan to help you stay on track. So why don't we dive into some of those? Energy is maybe that you guys use or you found that your clients find success with in order to manage this shift in Seasons as we head into the holidays and just kind of feeling like you're on top of your stuff. Let's see Marcy you want to go sure I like the bright lines strategy and this refers more to I guess eating at not eating out but eating when it comes to social situations, right? So especially this time of year. It's like you're surrounded by all the things alcohol food deserts and it just like, oh my gosh, I want to eat it all because it's the holidays and I'm not gonna be able to get this until next year. So you kind of have that fomo the fear of missing out mentality. So what I like to tell people is okay set some Lines, which are basically rules that you set for yourself. So that might be if I choose to drink I am going to limit myself to two drinks and I'm not going to have dessert something like that. So it would have to be a rule that you came up for yourself. But that is one that has always seemed to work really well. And then that's just your non-negotiable like that is what you stick to yeah. I love that. I think the route like creating rules for yourself. Where is he awesome? What about you Kim? So I think one thing and actually we talked about this little bit on our episode about vacationing thinking about the things you can have versus the things that you're trying to not have can really help and having a daily ritual that you get protein and vegetables every day can really help so you're not just thinking about like, hey, I need to avoid XY and z or only have so much of XY. D but like hey, I mean to get in a couple of portions of vegetables and you know a certain amount of protein and that can really help. Yeah. Do you have any tips for people that maybe don't have that that current set of like habits or thoughts in place like how to start to transition them into yeah. I always think it's a good idea to start where you are. So like if you like eat like no vegetables. Let's make it a goal to get one serving of vegetables in per day. If you decide you're going to try, you know, it's always going to you can see where you are. You could track your food for a week and see like I eat 40 grams of protein. Okay, maybe we don't need to jump you up to a hundred and thirty what if you moved to 60 grams of protein what if you are like I eat protein once a day, let's have you start trying to get it in at two meals a day. So figure out where you are maybe spend a week either tracking on paper or using an app see where you're at with protein and vegetables and Ratchet it up a notch. Yeah. Yeah. I think that makes it way more approachable for everyone accessible approachable in manageable doesn't seem like this daunting unrealistic task because if you can see yourself doing it you're going to actually do it and it doesn't need to feel so burdensome that you're like I can't do it right I can't do it and so just being like, okay like I could literally add one serving of vegetables like who can't do that? I mean I hated vegetables and I could do that. Yeah, I think making it like it's like if it doesn't pass the laugh test like if it's almost laughable that it's that easy then that means that's a that's a goal that you should stick to and don't make it. It should not be bigger than laughable like because they're so I like like a challenge at this time of year just Be like and so I've got a client who I've just set one nutrition and one physical like 30 day challenge and so she will do that for next 30 days and Market off on the little like calendar thing. So making the making the chain and I've got like you could do that with anything if you just wanted to make sure that you still kept moving you could set yourself and maybe Be two or three of your friends like why not all get together and go yo, let's do this. Like let's all say that we're going to you know, do the 10K steps a day like non-negotiable whether we've been out or not, so that would be one thing and also just to make sure that you're not over looking really simple things like prioritizing sleep as much as you can because during this time when things are getting a bit Haywire with people's schedules and parties and all this kind of stuff sleep can be neglected and that just makes getting motivated. Sitting getting out of bed to do anything even harder so you could even set a put a sleep thing on the challenge as well. So yeah challenges because obviously we've started the fit and free challenge and that's like that's really helped me just to kind of stay away from my pumpkin in depression away from all the candy corn. You know that sleep sleep is such a game changer and people about it more than anything like everything hinges on sleep and especially this time of year when it literally is what two and a half almost three months of what feels just like continuous events and opportunities to fall off track to eat too much to drink too much to stay out too late. It's like ask yourself in every situation. How do I want to feel? And that is what I ask myself whenever I am going whenever I'm struggling to make a decision or I am trying to talk myself out of something. How do I want to feel when this is done? Do I want to feel shit like shit. Do I want to be bloated and tired and hungover. Do I want to be disappointed in myself? Because I didn't get that workout in and that always helps me to take the right action. But like I said if there are so many opportunities to not feel good. At this time of year than you really have to get serious with yourself and ask like is that how I want to go through life everyday, you know just not feeling good and then it becomes even more difficult to make the next best choice because you're coming at it from a state of you know, not being mentally clear not feeling good and I feel like when people do feel that way it's easier to talk themselves into a wall just start again. And you know January 1st. Yeah. Yeah, I like that question a lot more see I think one of the other things besides sleep that can go along with really just making us feel good is being outside like getting outside and getting fresh air is so it's so underrated and even when it's cold just being out there for a little bit and enjoying like air and sun is a real game changer. Yeah much rather be outside when it's kind of cold and brisk outside than when it's hot as fuck and I'm sweating my butt off and like Smith as well like being in that brisk air. It's like it's almost like taking a cold shower. It sucks the moment but it's like very energized the yeah, like rejuvenating like yeah, you know when you chew gum in your mouth is like it's like your body feels like oh he getting difficult. Yeah. I'm just like a piece of orbit. I am sure I step outside with the brisket. He's a five gum my dear. I've come honey bun. I can't agree. He was enjoying the cold but I do think it has there's many teachers like you can learn a lot from the cold and that's that it's temporary. You know, you're not going to be cold forever. It's not going to be dark forever. Whatever you're going through is not going to be forever. I think that that is something that I've been constantly reminding myself of lately when I am in kind of those moments of like feeling not motivated or feeling me or like I don't want to go outside like I just want Sit in my bed, you know, it's like Sam, you know, what you need to do and I have this like mental talk with myself. Like I'm talking to my inner my inner like little kid like come on Sam just get out of bed. And sometimes you just have to have that little pep talk with yourself in order to like amp yourself up. I think Mel Robbins we've talked about this before but does the five four three two one? I love that. So for listening, it doesn't know what it is. You basically do a countdown. In your head or you can say it out loud, five four, three, two one and on one you take action you do whatever you're going to do. So for me if I'm in bed not want to get out of bed, which is usually the case every morning my okay, five four three, two one and I just got out of bed. I don't even think about it. I just do it and that's how I get into my cold shower. I'm like, I like put my hand in and I touch it and then I'm like God, I just got to go do it. Yeah. I just gotta do it. So for me, that's kind of how I will sometimes break through that barrier. I guess you would say But another thing I wanted to jump off of a point that camera Marcy, I'm not sure who it was that made it was tackling what you can do, right? And so I think like a really good exercise and maybe this is something for the Facebook group. I don't know but focusing on what you can control. So maybe you have like a party every weekend. You have a family event you have you're going apple picking with your friends. You're checking out a Brewery with someone I don't know whatever you're doing, right there's a lot of things out of your control there. But if you make a list of the things you can control you're going to be able to see the things that you can do in that moment or in that day or in that week. So if that means that you have to get up maybe a spec earlier and go for the walk or like do some meal prep for the week so that you stay on track or have more protein and veggies earlier in the day like you can control all those things because the day is yours, but as soon as you leave the house or as soon as you leave Your routine it can kind of feel like you're lost and you're grasping for anything that feels familiar and that can be scary. So focusing on the things that you can do in that moment like okay. I'm out to eat with friends. What can I do here? Okay, I'm going to eat in this in a similar way as I would at home. I'm going to make sure I get a protein and veggie. Maybe I have a little something to try cool but it's it's still in my control. I feel grounded in my decision and I think that you'll go to bed feeling so much better about If you stay in Integrity of the things you can change, you know, you can control I love that Sam. I think that's super important and I think going on with that looking for this looking for Solutions instead of excuses. You know, somebody asked me recently and I made a post about they're like, well, what do you do to get all these steps and when it's cold and I was like just I go anyway, right like sure some of my stuff is super cold. I'll go walk around Target. But you know, I have a really nice pair of warm boots. They happen to be gold and sparkly. And that makes me happy. I have a really nice warm coat and gloves and a fluffy hat. So, you know look for Solutions. What do I do when it's cold and I want to take a walk I bundle up right instead of being like Oh, it's too cold. I can't yeah, I do think sometimes people just they think they think that everything is going to be easy and just because something's a little bit harder that they just shouldn't shouldn't do it and unfortunately like in order to move forward in life. You have to challenge yourself and do things that get you out of your comfort zone. And if that means like actually going out and facing the cold then you just need to wrap up warm and suck it up. And even when it's raining like the these great thing called things called umbrellas like, you know, it's not like it's not like there isn't stuff that's been made to deal with this situation and bearing in mind that I live in like probably one of the rainiest places in the world. Maybe not quite in the world, but we do get a fair amount of REM. I'm if I didn't go out every time it ran up his sight in my apartment. 24/7 and you know, I mean the point game I think really you guys like you can do hard shit, you know, like I think remind yourself like you're resilient when you have to do hard shit you do it right? Like when you're in a situation that sucks. Guess what you make it through like you're not dead because you're listening to this podcast so longer than you. Like yeah, I can do it. You know like yeah, I'm able to do this. I'm capable to do this. Like it's sure it's going to be a little hard but literally anything worth having is going to be difficult in some way. And the thing is to have your why like why you actually want to do the things right? If you're trying to lose weight and you want to be more active you want to eat vegetables then your wife the reason why actually want to be healthy. Or fit or lose weight has to be so fucking strong that your excuses. Do not override that Y which is what Kim was saying look for reasons instead of excuses because that's going to basically dictate like the resistance at a certain point is going to either push you to do the thing that's hard and get over the freakin hump or to let the excuse get in the way and have you feel like you just can't do it. But you can well in also confidence is built by doing the hard shit. You don't build confidence by state. In your comfort zone and doing the same thing that you've always done over and over again, like eventually you need to push yourself and that's why I always talk about you keeping the promises that you made yourself like that is really important that helps create confidence. But even more so is doing the hard stuff that you don't want to do and forcing yourself to do it and then realizing. Oh, okay. I am capable I can do this. And that in my mind is where the true confidence is really built. Yes, Marcy fucking onto that. I think that that is sucking under valued skill is trusting in yourself, right? Because like every time you keep a promise to yourself you you build that trust muscle just a little bit right and it's like, oh I can do that cool. So if you're listening right now, which I hope you are all so you wouldn't know that I just said that to you every time I say that I'm like, yeah, you're obviously listening. So for the person out there, that's here's me. Think about what's one thing you can do and keep that promise to yourself every day. So I know that all of us have experimented with like journaling or walking or meditating or like something that's been hard for us to start in stick with but we've kept the promise and I think all of us hit 10 K steps a day, you know, pretty matter-of-factly at this point. It may not have always been that way. I know for me it wasn't but now it's something I have to do even if it means like getting out of bed and going for a walk like I'll do it because it's a promise that I cannot break. It's just I don't even think about the option to break it and so find something for you that you can realistically stick to so maybe it's the veggies thing. Maybe it's the protein thing. Maybe it's getting 7 to 8 hours of sleep. Maybe it's I don't know going for a walk every day, but find a little thing that you can do every day that you like. Check that box off like Sarah was talking about which I want Sarah. You should explain what that means for everyone listening. But create that chain that mental chain for yourself of I keep getting these winds in this is really cool and I can do this and I can do hard shit. Oh my God. It's like I'm empowered and then you build another thing and it's like this, you know this domino effect of realizing your own potential. Yeah. Yeah, Sarah talked about the chain effect Yen the sign so it's cold Seinfeld technique if we want to get really like so it's something I think we've probably all read about in the gyms clear Atomic habits book and it's basically this idea that you take a calendar and something that you are trying to develop a consistent habit with you have that written on the calendar and each day that you do the thing you might In the box and over a period of time you just see this beautiful magical change that to build and actually you go into this mindset. I found myself and my clients you go into this mindset of really not wanting to break the chain because it gives like a deep level of like satisfaction, which is the whole point of it. So over time it helps you to build the consistent Habit in and then once that's in you can then lay it in another another habit. I tend to start climbing. Giants off with just like maybe one thing and then we just layer them on and take stuff out as it just becomes more natural. So it is really sounds like so ridiculously simple but quite often they are the things that work the best. Yeah, that's how I started working out. Yeah with the calendar and a purple pen. Oh my God. You were just too cool kind of did it have sparkles on the end of it? No, it was like a really lame counter that I printed off the internet like you can barely read it, but I was like, I'm gonna make an X and my roommate and I made an ex every time we worked out and when I saw that she had more X's than me, I would get really mad. So then I would like It's not like a competitive way, but it just makes you want to be better. So to your point Sarah, maybe the accountability is with yourself, but it's also with a friend like we do have a hundred percent. We're coach like sure yeah or a family member or like someone to just kind of keep you in check on the days where you're like fuck this. I don't want to do anything. I want to sit down with my bag of chips and binge watch Netflix. Your friends going to be like hey meet you at the gym or like hey, did you get your workout in and you're like, hey my work out his bicep curls of popcorn to my mouth besides that you know, like sometimes you just need that extra boost. I know I do. Yeah, okay on that note about the calendar and the pain so I think that this is something that is a little silly but can be really helpful and it also goes back to what Kim was saying about the sparkly boots like Give yourself an incentive make it fun. And I think that will allow you to more easily do it. So for example, I was never really a journal or like I had some resistance around it was like I don't know what to write. I don't have time for this like, you know, I had so many stories in my head about the journaling even though it was a practice that I really wanted to get into the habit of but I freaking love stationary I could spend hours in papaya. Yes, we're at a stationery store. It's just like heaven for me. So by incentive to get myself journaling was to find a really cute Journal. So I have this lovely little journal and every time I see it it almost like draws me to it in a way like I like looking at it. I like the feel of it and I have a really nice pen that I enjoy writing looks like that makes the process easier whether or whereas if I had a shitty pennant. Don't write very well and just an ugly black Journal. I would have more resistance to doing it Marty and that's not stupid. That's so powerful. I think his I've got clients that have sticker sticker packs and they use like glittery stickers and stuff. Like even doesn't matter what age you are like we've all got this inner child that just loves the whole like glitter. He's ugly sticks to who doesn't love glittery stickers exactly Kim. Yeah, you just you just made me realize I do that for Walking the only reason why I mean I like to walk but I like to walk because I take photos of shit. Like I take photos of flowers or like scenes and that's just my my old like because I used to take photos for a living and like did that and so that's still a way that I get to kind of Dive Dive and dive back into that creative space for me in the same way that I make big ass salads every day. Yeah, they taste good, but it's also fun for me to assemble this like pretty creation of a salad. It's almost like A piece of art and I'm realizing like I take the photo because it's like it's fun and then also helps me get veggies and it like it tastes good. But it's this little like, how can you make these very mundane things like a walk or a salad be like important to you? Like, how can you get them to feel good? What is it about it that makes it special for you. And that's we're not going to be able to tell you that because it's only you know the answer to that so like for Kim she walks in her sparkly Ugg boots right in the wintertime that makes her happy like Know that about her and it's like in the same way that Sarah is frolicking through the Streets of London taking photos of weird objects, making them look like penises, you know, if you talkin about Marcy's journaling and pretty beautiful stationary like we all have a little there's something you know, there's just like a little twist on it. It makes it feel like it's ours and so infusing fun and play into the things that may seem Seemed like such a drag can help that the serious. Yeah, and really looking for those things. Like if you don't like to exercise like start thinking like what could that thing be? Like if you don't like to walk think like what could like for me? Like this was nothing to a fitness, but for this is like an idea of what I did I hate washing dishes. Like I literally hate it. So when I wash dishes I put on a podcaster YouTube video. I want to watch like up on my windowsill and pop my ear pods in and it's bearable and I'm not constantly trying to get distracted by something else I call. Down there and do the dishes. So is that your thing that you don't like is exercise or walking like find a thing that makes it enjoyable that you're like, okay this part I like I had to client who literally he hated walking like he just like refused and then we found out I found out he had a love of dogs. So basically we got into hire a dog so he became like a dog he became like a dog, but you can go to like, yeah, it's you can do like an adoption like this. As a you know, go to a rescue center and take dogs out for a walk. So we got him. We got him doing that. So yeah a hundred percent just find something that makes it bearable for you. Yeah, and that can be all it takes it just like a little thing. Like how can you make the things you're doing right now just a little bit more enjoyable. Maybe there's like a slight inconvenience at the start like for for Marcy. She may have had to spend $10 on her stationary. Right? Like that's a mild inconvenience like going to get it pay for it, but then every Day, she uses it. She gets a little a little high from it. You know, it's like getting high on stationery. What would you like? I used to be really big on like, oh my gosh, if you're having salad, you should try and keep that suckers low-calorie as possible. It's a salad and I've really switched my thinking on that and recent years. Look if you think that the wonton strips just make that friggin amazing add some longtime strips, right, you know. Yeah still keep your calories. Under control, but your food should be exciting to you. And if it's like a little bit of extra fat it's a little bit of extra fat you're going to keep eating the salad if you like it right love a wild hog, some people do. Yeah. I think that that that concept can be applied to every part of life. Like there's always a way to make the things you're doing a little bit more enjoyable for a very very small price. And it's worth it. It's going to be worth it. It might be there might be a little barrier to entry with all of it, right you might have to go buy something or do something or shift something. But ultimately if you can see yourself doing that and you're like, you know, let's use the salad with wontons. For example, you go into your day knowing you have a salad at home you have to eat and it's in the fridge and you're like, I don't want to eat that like you're not going to want to eat it or you'll eat it and then you'll end up eating something else after because you weren't really sad. Satisfied. Yeah, but if that salad you look forward to it because you like to look at some wontons, you know, and some greens underneath but like the wontons then it kind of satisfies you for the most part, you know, like yeah sure you could always have more but have it later and then you go on with your day and you don't feel that like deprived feeling or like coming from a place of lack really is like you've given yourself the permission to add the wontons and then you get to move on with your day so find ways to give yourself permission to More fun or to infuse more joy into things or to just make your life more enjoyable. Like you can do that. You know, it's we highly recommend that you make your life something you enjoy you have a long tongue. What is your wanton visual on Kelly wanna want on I don't have to so good. Well, I think that we're kind of nearing the end of seasonal depression and how to tackle it. I feel really good going into the season and I think that you guys listening should feel pretty adequately prepared. But I think some other strategies like some other things that we didn't mention just like briefly we can touch on touch upon is like making sure that you if you're in a place of not that much daylight like make sure you get vitamin D take a vitamin D supplement. That's really really Full and it's a really cheap way to just get the vitamin D that you won't be getting through natural sunlight. I know Tim you had mentioned using like Sun lamps or like UV lamps. That's a great alternative to like natural light and you know getting your veggies and just infusing fun into your life like combating that depressed feeling right of like oh God it's dark and cold with including more fun. Like maybe make more plans with friends or reach out to people that you love or start to build in maybe like a new sport or a new hobby in the wintertime. When you are more apt to like want to stay in and not talk to anyone or like not leave the house. I know for me. That's why I joined axe-throwing last year was because I know myself and I'm like, I'm not going to do anything with my weeknights. I'm just going to stay home in bed, and I joined an axe throwing League super random, but like I did that thing and it was really fun and it got me out of the house and got you. We got you your man. It got me a man to score. So it's wonderful. What happens when you do that for yourself, you know, you kind of just like what yourself have some fun. But I think let's let's wrap up and we can give some closing words. So biggest piece of advice and favorite piece of Halloween candy. Tell us the truth Kim. You have a big smile on your face right now. So I'm very picky about candy. I knew I hit you. All right. My closing advice is don't look for another better time. There isn't one. The time you have is right now and my favorite piece of Halloween candy is Reese's Cups Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, the mini or the big I love the ones. I don't know why they always taste better. But whatever their seasonal one is like the Easter egg one at Easter and the Pumpkin one actress mystery of those always taste the best but I'll take whatever kind of really kept you have. All right. We got Reese's Pieces. No, I don't love them mop no reputation. Tas all right Marcy Think about how you want to feel and then take action from that place favorite piece of Halloween candy. So I'm going to go to one if I could eat gluten and dairy a Twix. Oh, yeah to and I know people are probably gonna be like, oh gross because I can't have gluten and dairy the flavored Tootsie Rolls. Oh, I love that open that one. One's got Manila won. I love those guys. I like the lemon ones in the lime ones. Yeah, why do I not harder to pseudo? But why have I not had a Tutsi were like, I hold all of you Americans responsible because I've been with you all and if you've not fed me at 0-0 next time we see you. I got some of my override the other day. I was so happy. We got them out override Sarah. They just weren't literally Tootsie Rolls. They were like a knockoff version does feel like the fruity ones. She needs like It's not clear how I was giving out Tootsie Rolls. Yeah, man, and I didn't die pretty cool. Awesome said what's good for my Uber driver? But Sarah, what's your message in your candy? So my message is remember that this is a temporary season and you can go into it telling yourself you hit it and you are always unmotivated or you can go into it embracing it saying this is an amazing time of year for me to still succeed and just get on with what you need to do and my favorite piece of My favorite piece of candy, this is very hard for me. I had a Milky Way recently and it was really rather delicious. So I'm going to go Milky Way. Was that your first time it was not my first time tell us about your eyes. I did not break my Milky Way Terry. That's what I was wondering. I just hadn't had them for edges. And then I had one when I was in Palm Desert, and it was just it was amazing. Oh that caramel caramel's anything with caramel to be real. Yeah, I'll compare Vin so hard right now. It's making a chocolate. Okay. My message would be that you can do hard things you can do are chick. Like if you tell yourself you can't you won't but if you tell yourself you can you will and that's really all comes down to is like you can do the hardship because you have yeah fave candy. So I'm in Marcy's bow. Where I actually can't even eat my favorite candy, but I'll pretend like I can I would have to give a three way tie to take fives because that's pretzel chocolate caramel good. Oh gosh. Yes because Twix is life and Almond Joy. Oh, yeah that good. I have to us for the first time last week. I don't know your coconut. Yeah, we have bounces over here. It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I recently made coconut I mean Almond Joy version of ice cream was oh God. It was so good. So, you know you can get creative but I would say those ones definitely it's like the salty sweet and I prepared. Yeah. All right, you guys well, it's been real. We hope that we have helped you get through your seasonal depression and tackle the next 10 weeks of the year as we head into a new Cade we're excited to actually we're all going to be in a new decade of our lives so many yes, and amen. Yeah the Decades of strength brings you a new decade done done, Don. All right, I won't I won't pursue a career in movie and trees. All right. Well, we love you guys. Hope you have an amazing rest of your day and check in with you in a few weeks. Peace out. Peace out that Alright that wraps up another episode of the Decades of strength podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. We know that life is crazy and time is precious, and we really do appreciate you spending your time with us. If you love this podcast, Please Subscribe review and rate it on iTunes Targets in your service on Instagram. Send this to your friends, please please please just tell everyone about it. We are determined to have the biggest and the most inclusive. 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There are exactly 8 weeks 5 days till Christmas and right now you have 2 choices!👇🏻 ⁣⠀ 1️⃣You can see these weeks as an opportunity to still make a positive impact on your health and fitness so when Jan 1st hits, you aren’t starting from scratch again! you’ll just be continuing on the journey 🤗 ⁣⠀ 2️⃣Or you can opt to let the chaos & coldness of this crazy season derail any progress you’ve made so far or use this as another excuse to not even start trying to make positive changes. ⁣⠀ “It’s just not the right time for me to start eating vegetables and moving more, too many parties to go to, and I don’t want to catch a chill!” ⁣⠀ Harsh Truth: The time will never be right, there will always be an excuse! (it’s never the right time to have a baby either 🤪) ⁣⠀ It’s time to stop letting your excuses be bigger than your goals!!! Girllll you got this!! ⁣⠀ ​In this weeks episode, we talk about the common struggles & excuses we hear from clients around this time of year (and some we’ve used ourselves!). ⁣⠀ We outline some of our go-to strategies for helping to keep your health and fitness mojo up in the cold winter months, when there are delicious temptations and excuses not to start or just keep up normal day to day habits everywhere! ⁣⠀ If you haven’t already, please go ahead and rate and leave a review. Be sure to subscribe in iTunes so you never miss an episode! ⠀ We love & appreciate you ever so much! ⁣⠀ 🌟Sam, Sarah, Marci, & Kim: 4 Women, 1 Mission🌟 ⠀ Follow Sam: @saltylifts Follow Marci: @marcinevin Follow Sarah: @sarahdufflifestyleandfitness Follow Kim: @kimschlagfitness --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/decadesofstrength/message

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I mean no we're talking about deadly class because we got tons of great stuff to talk about syfy's newest series very dark very sexy and definitely has a lot of intrigue we're gonna be breaking down marks his backstory the intro to Kings Dominion all the clicks and the Black Arts assignment. Let's talk about it right after this. You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top. Now, let them go welcome to class after show. We are talking about season 1 episode 1 the pilot and I am your host even the mute tonight moderating the panel for this season, but I could not do it alone because I have three classmates here that are ready for murder ready for in. Intrigued and ready to talk about this great new show on Syfy joining me to my left. I have Raven French. Hello afterbuzzers. Nice to be here to her left. You may have seen her today on our watch along Angelica tray. Hello everybody and you know her from the anime after show all around the place that AfterBuzz TV from Soul Eater to everything else. We have Veronica Valencia. Hey, everyone nice intro. Thank you. I feel I really like Raven down with it though because I had like a tip for you guys. You may know her with the Sia cosplay killing it right now Raven French. Hello again. There we go. Everybody on the same level we're talking all about it guys. We're going to break down the episode with Marcus backstory the intro to Kings Dominion all the clicks and some of the characters and then we're going to talk about the Black Arts assignment before we get into kind of a little bit of craziness with SIA and not really know what's going on. But also we have a special assignment because let me tell Tell you Veronica has been reading deadly class the official graphic novel nice this big boy right here and I want to know how closely it resembles the TV show and I think you want to know that as well. I would hope you would want to know that as well and our special segment today is the comic corner with Veronica. Mancilla. So make sure you stay in tuned for that. And we also got some news and gossip with our own Raven French. But before we get into all of that. I want to know overall thoughts on the episode you go ahead first Veronica. Yeah, I mean, this is my third time watching this pilot. I'll be perfectly honest. I had seen it twice at a couple of conventions before they sent out the link and the only sounds out the link I was like perfect. So I mean when I saw it, I fell in love with it because it was just so different. I love comics and I love the fact that besides maybe The Walking Dead There's a comic series out there. That's not not superheroes far from it actually and so I just love the characters in the story and how we're going to explore this like gray area that all down with it. What about you Angelica? I loved it. I've seen the pilot twice now and it started off. It's just such a strong start to a season really excited to see what they keep doing with it. It's dark but they managed to keep levity somehow in the show. So I'm really enjoying it cool and Raven I would have to agree. I also saw it twice and I was tell him ironic or earlier that I am new to this. I'm new to all the Sci-Fi. And I did not know what order. Yeah, I did not know that deadly class was literal. No. No, it's actually about AP Physics. The first episode is very off subject. I mean, that's pretty deadly. Yeah. It's talking about the Apple falling from the tree and murdering people. Yeah, no, I'm gonna out myself as the as the terrible person on the panel who only watch the pilot once but see I like seeing your reaction to it. I like watching it with you guys. You guys are fun to watch with because you have really cool in sight. I love the soundtrack so far. It's terrible because I don't know names of bands but I recognize songs and I'm always like yeah and it fits so well, I think one of my biggest complaints with a lot of shows out there now is that the composer's kind of Take a lot of I don't know what the word is, but they just decide that they're like, let's use this song to put my friends band over and the band doesn't really necessarily fit the theme and I feel like because they set us in the 80s. Obviously we have Reagan on the TV's we're talking about things that are set in the 80s. It only makes sense that the soundtrack would be well-known 80s songs. So overall you guys like the soundtrack so far heck. Yeah. Oh, yeah enjoying it a lot. Okay. I don't know where you guys were in the 80s because everyone looks so. Young but this music is not familiar to me at all. I think I was outside playing I was I was a soon-to-be fetus in the eighties same same 1990. I won't even age myself. Oh, we all know your 22 you don't have to act like you're so let's go ahead and get into it. We're going to talk about Marx is back story because Marcus is of course our main character played by Benjamin wodsworth who I believe I We're definitely trying to get on the show right now multiple of us have contacts that like know him. So we're trying to like figure it out. But I really liked his portrayal of this character so far. Obviously, it's a kind of trying to think of the the whatever obviously it is a character that is flawed in a lot of ways. We get his backstory that he witnessed his parents being crushed to death by a schizophrenic granny, which you know, all of us have been there dark times, you know, there's a traumatizing know Normal, six-year-old things at it. How did you think of his portrayal of Marcus and play that against the backstory of the character me? Yes. Say that again. What do you think of his portrayal of Marcus put against the backstory of his character that we've been given, I mean, I think his portrayal of Marcus has been really great something. I'm just throwing this out there to is that Benjamin Wadsworth at least from what I've seen is fairly fresh Talent as well as a couple of other of the cast of characters to your and so I love the fact that they're getting their hands dirty with such a great role as this This and I think he has a lot to work with but also a lot to really take into consideration because Marcus is the he's very flawed and he's also probably I don't want to say weaker. But he you know, he doesn't come from a lineage. He's he has no Legacy. So he has a lot to work against and I think that it's gonna be an incredible journey to see how not only Marcus grows as a character, but how Benjamin grows with this character as an Her on what about you guys? So Raven when you're looking at a character like this, did you expect this backstory or were you thinking it was going to be a little bit more like maybe his parents were part of the CIA or maybe his parents had some affiliation with like murder groups again with the newness of it and learning that all of these it's had some killer background. No, okay. I did not everything is new. It's all new fresh. Never can. Expect anything so you're just along for the ride kind of I it's completely new. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. I think he's doing a great job. There's an improbably because he's fresh Talent. There's a innocence there for him, but I still wouldn't think this was someone who saw his parents crushed. So I feel like whatever that darkness is. That's their we're going to see a lot more of it. So Angelica base, Ston this character so far. Do you think that as she said the innocence of him? Do you think it's kind of like a character? This is being dragged through life or do you think he's gonna have like that ambition to actually go after as we found out in the episode kill Ronald Reagan, he wants to assassinate Ronald Reagan. Do you see this as a character that's motivated enough to make that happen. I think this is definitely an underdog type story. So we're going to see some things happen to Marcus. We're going to see some craziness insu. And we'll see if he follows through with it. I think a lot of it is going to be the journey to that and that's a lot of excitement. He's a very innocent character and we're going to see him get corrupted. I believe corrupted. So do we think that he's going to keep his sanity or do you think it's going to go the route of like insanity to achieve his goal? Mmm think he's gonna go a little crazy. Yeah, I go crazy. They're all already going a little crazy. So you think he'll adapt to the school? And fit in in terms of everyone at the still school. It's just a little bit off. I think as an audience perspective we are going to think he's crazy because even in the pilot episode he has a drive to want to help people despite, you know, the hoopfest that life has thrown him in the fact that like what we see with Maria the fact that he wants to swoop in and like help her from Chico. So I feel like he has a lot of drive to want to help people and so we'll probably think that he's crazy because it's like dude you've gotten no training. You have no crew to watch your back and you're gonna go in full force and like start trouble with people. So we're introduced to Lynn who are not Lynn De Rosa de loser right the teacher de Luca Luca. Sorry, I don't have the names are in front of me DeLuca who's teaching the class. They're doing Jiu-Jitsu and one of the first lessons they learn is to examine your opponent and find what their weaknesses and exploit it. Do you feel that Marcus is weakness is the shred of humanity. See that he's holding on to that nobody else in this school is or do you think that's going to be his strength while he's going through this? I think it's going to be his strength, I think because the world probably sees these people as monsters. We already kind of see in this series that they live in a society where there are a lot of people on the lower end of the totem pole that the higher end does not pay attention to so it's probably how the rest of the class is perceived. As you know, there nobody is no one cares about them and the humanity I think is Help them bring out like oh you treat me as a person. I want to like get to know you more and that's going to be his biggest like I guess accomplishment going forward is that he has that ability to see people as humans not as monsters, but that works in the regular world. I don't know if it's going to work in this school prison mentality type of place. I don't know if that's going to serve as a strength. He's already in trouble because of his heart and And Maria and the black guy that he fell for and Sia got him there just off of a kiss. I don't know. I mean, I mean in the real world, he'd be sweet. He'd be like oh but to survive that's cool. I mean the real world's already kind of ruined him though. I mean his version of the real world. Is he homeless in this Camp word if he doesn't give up like almost everything that he makes he gets a knife to his throat. I don't know and I think an interesting Dynamic is where inch to introduce to Willie and pertaining to Marcus and how Marcus is very open with the fact that he's not who people think he is and then Willie is putting on the front of who he who they think he is. Well Marcus is only been open to Sia. He hasn't told anyone else and that's because he thought he was about to die. That's true. So science doesn't know his backstory now, which is going to play into later in the season. Will she tell better guang's character Lynn. Let's go into Lynn. Actually. I really love Benedict Guan in this role. I think it's really good. It's giving me so many like Doctor Strange crossover Vibes, but at the same time I'm like man, what a badass. I think we're going to see him do some really cool stuff. What do you kind of expect from this character from just the pilot Angelica? Well from what we've learned so far from Lynn is that he's very vengeful character very much based off of sort of that moral almost High Ground of murdering people. So we're really going to see how he trains the students how he interacts with Marcus and then obviously some of that, you know his situation Ian and his relationship with SIA kind of unfold it's going to be really interesting to see Linda is a really interesting character. I'm excited to follow him a lot more in the show. We'll see what happens. What do you think and as a panel we can all go one by one and say but like starting now at the pilot. What do you think Lynn's intentions are because as of my perception, he's the one who founded this deadly class and he already got revenge on the people that he wanted revenge on so Is this all based on his life blood view that you know people deserve to have the Vengeance may put on them or is there some greater game that he's trying to build to against the Mobsters or against the people who he's like taking in going based solely off of the pilot. I would say he has baby just some weird view of like World Order of kind of thinking. Oh, you know sure we are killing people, but we are Are killing bad people which in a sense almost kind of is an interesting point of view from an audience to because it really tests like oh, yeah, they're killing people but they're killing what is perceived as a bad person who has also killed people and it's like I feel like for him. It's just a weird World Order thing where he wants to create balance. So it's more about an ideology as opposed to Vengeance at this point, right? Yes. Okay, I would say so currently and there was a huge character sort of defining moment where I think he was speaking to Marcus he Ed I give the peasants yeah tool to overthrow to give the peasants the required skill to Dethrone the corrupt Masters. Yes, and that I think is just what all of this is going to be built on and what his entire character is going to be built on do you think that's any foreshadowing to him being a corrupt master that these peasants have to Dethrone? Hmm interesting because I really think it's it's kind of like a weird concept of absolute power. Power corrupts absolutely, and he is in this role training these people to be murderers and I hate to get into the whole Trope that The Wanted movie got into or Morgan Freeman started taking control of things to prevent his own demise spoilers if you haven't seen wanted but this movie definitely has robbed are ya this movie has wanted Vibes to it. This show has wanted Vibes to it. If you've watched it. I'd be interested to see what his greater game plan is, I'd be interested to see what Sia means Him or who she is to him, but I do I know we only have about 20 minutes left. So I want to go into some of the characters. Let's talk about Maria right off the bat Raven. What's your impression of this character? So far? Her outfit is dope. I'll say that Maria. I don't know if I like her yet. I accept her clothes and makeup, but I don't know if I like cause I like Marcus I like it's something you just want to pinch his cheeks or something and her manipulating him at the risk of his life. I don't know. Okay, and you're like, I don't know yet. I like Maria's character surprisingly. I like that. She she kind of set the tone. I mean between her and obviously, you know, we're talking about Maria here, but Sia did some of that as well. It's setting the tone for the show. It's showing that she's Some issues going on in that hole the gang the what are they called us at the start of our toes so is it so thauvin Todo vatos? I have it right here. Sorry. There's some talk on and you can tell there's a bit of a power play here. She wants control exactly and I think it's setting that up. And so I really did like that her character. Has that single just go like you could tell she's very goal-driven and I like that about her. Okay and Veronica, were you obviously you've read the graphic novel to a certain degree. So you kind of know what's going on to a point and we'll go over the similarities. But the the the graphic novels fairly close to the pilot at this point, correct? Yes. Got it. So we can't talk about too much potential things. But do you think that do you think it's right or wrong what she's doing? To Marcus in this first episode again a lot of gray area. I think in a sense it's wrong because she is manipulating him to get someone else to do something for her. But I think it's kind of easy to see that her relationship with Chico is toxic and she comes from a world where all she knows is murder. So it's not out of the ordinary for her to want to be out of a toxic relationship and the only way to do that is Is to get is to get rid of the guy. So is it wrong to be manipulated because Marcus is naive sure but I understand where she's coming from the sense. She probably wants Liberation from a toxic relationship because we saw how he treated her. Yes pilot. She's not the nicest person and she's on those pills. So we'll get to see ya the pills. I looked up with the pills has Vox a perm or whatever will accept whatever it was. It is treating for bipolar. Other ISM and migraines, so perhaps she has a cruel streak to her as well, which would be great. I mean, I think it's really cool because we've seen her in skull makeup and we've seen her in normal makeup, which I guess is kind of showing two sides to the character and one is more one is the Incarnation of death and one is not one is just pretty and loves to kiss Marcus in the rain. Was it raining in my mind? It was raining. So let's talk about the other characters really quick. So Willie is The gentleman who he worked with for the dark black Arts thing Willie is a pacifist disappointed. He fits in perfectly. How do you see Willie playing into the whole dynamic with Marcus in the show? Well poor Willie for one. So we found out Willie's mother put him into the school, right? So that's kind of Terrible not setting up Willie for failure here. I'm just surprised he got this far without being found out. He's a pacifist. So we'll see sort of what happens here. But I do like the pairing between with Willie and Marcus since Marcus has already shown a little bit of that aggression. Now, he's growing into his own but Willie seems to be very firm and his stance for passivism. Do you think this show will corrupt Willie will he will He maintained his pacifism. I want to say maybe not but I don't think he would be willing to kill I think maybe if his TV has a first kill his first kill be out of like self-defense. Okay, well accident some freak of nature type of moment where he really didn't do it the person tripped and I will see him. He'll probably be like the smarts of it like organize the Intel and like make sure that they can take down whoever they want to take down. I don't know if we're going to build like a super squad. I'd say like Willie and Marcus will be in I think a lot more but again, it's a pilot. You don't have much character development to go on you. Just kind of have to go with what's going on. Obviously, we introduced a billy who's got the Mohawk Bill. He's a cool dude. I did Billy a lot. I think he's going to be more of the comedic relief in the show aside from like the obvious comedy. But I mean you see him kind of laughing about broken bones and the Jujitsu training you see him kind of being the NPC Guide to the game that is deadly class and Kings Dominion is like welcome. Let me give you a tour. This is where we murder people. This is where you get your lunch. This is where you get a laxative and shit your pants. Hey my language, but I see Willie being around for a long time. I don't see them killing him at all. Now Victor is another character. We're introduced to who just kind of becomes the butt of the laxative joke from the previews. He seems to have a very crazy attitude towards life. Do you think we're going to get these characters interacting together for one kill or do you think it's going to be very separate throughout the series? I think I think it might be separate. I feel like our Core group is going to stick together a lot. I would say Maria Billy Willie Marcus and Sia. Okay, and I would say like they would have small interactions like because you know, everyone there just based on their clicks kind of have different skill sets. They might need to collaborate from time to time. But I feel like it would mainly focus on those five. Well, let's talk about the clicks the Dixie Mafia. They seem like nice folks stand up. Not really. So there the white supremacist. They're the they're the ones supremacist definitely not nice people the Hessians we brought the Hessians out of the way. Okay, like let's let's bring that out. We're briefly brought us briefly brought the final world order, which they said we're party bombers. Does anyone have more information on kind of who is the final world order? Because we don't get a lot and then we have The kuroki Syndicate, which means it's basically Sia, who is a Yakuza from my understanding of the show Lynn is Chinese for sure and if it's going to be her being Yakuza, she's Japanese. So maybe they're not father-daughter, which what I kind of got the feeling from the end but making sense more in like actually analyzing. It doesn't seem like they are so What do you kind of think as being the most aside from Chico because Chico's going to get out of the picture soon. I'm assuming who do you think's going to be the most belligerent towards Marcus moving forward once Maria takes control of the south of Otto's. Lynn Lynn I felt he's got an agenda and I feel like well, I was gonna say this earlier but I feel like right now we'll both William Billy are going to be like Marcus's pillars because he's gonna obviously relate to Billy a lot because like him Billy doesn't have a place in this world and like Willie will he's a pacifist. So there's a sense of humanity there and that they don't want to be murderer. So they're going like Marcus is already in a very small sense finding a place here because of the people he's starting to connect with Okay, so I feel like they're gonna see a sense of like hey, you're like me because I don't belong and Lynn has an agenda and I feel like he'll be very forceful to get that agenda like to think that every Clique has an agenda though, or do they not do you think these cliques have like things that they're doing? I feel like every one of them would have their own kind of set of rules and kind of their own thing that they're trying to get out of this deadly class at Kings Dominion, but maybe I'm wrong. I feel like I just don't know enough about this. School of what the graduate programs are job placements are or how they are graded or how these cliques are put against each other. I feel like they have to be put against each other in some respects outside of the school. Right? I think it's a dominance thing. Honestly, really? Yeah, which which gang is the top gang which gang rules the school so to speak. Hmm. I'm confused that I guess confused that Master Lin allows that mentality there that he actually if their rules and he is Is who he is you can you should not be able to kill someone in that place? Yeah, not just like kind of an unspoken rule of like gangs have territories and you don't but I feel like he going to troll territories. Well, it's just an interesting Foundation to put the show on because when you're dealing with something like this and when I assumed when I look at the show from a third person without knowing anything about it, I'm like, oh like everyone's going to be assassins out for themselves are murderers or whatever. Like, how is this going to go and putting the clicks? Do it with like the gangs from outside of the school and everything feels like how are people actually going to learn anything or get to a point where they can graduate or get out of this class to achieve whatever Lynn's agenda is if they're all just going to get murdered all the time. The the only Theory I've come up with is that Lynn is creating his own gu does anyone know what gu is. So G use a Chinese concept of taking all of the poisonous insects, you can find and putting them in one container until they just keep killing each other and killing each other until one rains on the top. So possibly lens agenda is to create this hodgepodge of murderers and get the strongest one and basically put them through the ropes by killing each other until he only has one person left. Hmm. And that's going to be the strongest assassin who can do whatever Lynn wants. I mean you did see or we did see a little bit of that with the scene with the photos on the table. So I could see that a bit. However, it doesn't seem like there's a culture of trying to kill each other at that school. It really just seems like a chico thing, but I'm not sure this school seems like it's been around for three weeks. I mean, I'm gonna be honest. It doesn't seem like all the characters have that much history, but we haven't seen them really interact with each other. Just been hazing the new guy so far, right? So I hope that we get something that like brings Traditions to the school because I feel like that's what we're missing aside from giving their new guy. That's a rat rat skeleton. We really haven't seen much aside from just teachers teaching them poison and then them lacks giving laxatives to the Russian dude. Hey, so like I don't know if you can speak to this at all Veronica, but does this really does this have a lot of world-building as we move forward into the show? I would say it's a lot of After building, okay as it goes forward, I think I mean and we will obviously get to those a little bit later when we dive into the comic but I feel like the show at least in the pilot was really trying to establish Kings Dominion and in the comic it's very there's a lot of adventures with characters. It's very character building. Yes. Okay. So it's the my hero Academia of murdering people. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, which Really if somebody is if that was the elevator pitch I'm sold. Hey you like my hero Academia. Imagine if they murdered people. They're very gallon Academia. Yeah, it's just my villain act. Like I don't know they could be heroes Heroes and their own story. Did you watch the same out? So I just watched they don't seem like Heroes. I mean he will that Chico guys seems like straight here at Material. Wow. Did you see his tattoo and had a crown with dots on it? That's just the sign of a hero. Oh, right royalty. Yes. I'm same thing for sure. Absolutely the same thing shout out to everyone in the chat. William cars has Darwin's theory applied to murder interesting Randy. Dela Paz says, we need more villain stuff like Venom. I don't know if we need a villain in this show per se may be a conspiracy that they all kind of go against Lynn. I'd like to see that possibly if Lynn becomes the villain that everyone at the school kind of has to keep stuff secret, but then actively obey the rules but not obey the rules right? That might be fun we Yeah, I was gonna say something because I think it's interesting that you're posing Lynn to be a possible villain in a show full of murderers, which is like off the bat you think oh, they're all villains. And so it's just a very interesting Dynamic of like are they all going to be villains or do they all just have a lot of history? And it's a lot of gray area. I mean, here's the thing with Lynn that we've learned when he got his revenge or at least how he tells the story. He took out the truck driver. / he took out the person who was not doing the checks the owner of the company and he took out the judge. So Lynn is like Lynn has a very broad mindset of people who are associated with them the death of his wife and daughter. So, I mean when you're looking at somebody who's mind can go that far to associate people with it. It's not really hard to think that lets say one mob family was associated with that and then let's say they were Associate with other mob families and everyone's kind of got red threads and his whole thing is he's developing this master plan to kill a huge net of mobsters around the world linked linked to like in some way butterfly effect to his wife and daughter dying. So if Lin's Master game is to kill all of these people and get all these families and basically murder everyone. I'm on board. I dig it. I dig it like if we are unveiling that throughout the Ins so on board because Benedict Wong. All right. So you're saying he's not a villain possibly for you and your mind I'm saying I'm saying he is he is a villain in the strictest sense of from the outside. He's about to murder a whole lot of people right? But again, we're going to his ideology and his ideology is if the means justify the ends and people deserve to die. I mean, he's all about people deserving to die, but that's where I think that Marcus has a Important role because Marcus is unaffiliated. So if you was going to kill everyone and he needed like a linchpin to pull that grenade like Marcus isn't affiliated with anyone. It's just a guy off the street if anything Marcus is going to be more affiliate with wanting to carry out Lynn's plant, but we're getting that predictions. I don't want to go and throw that off the top too soon, but think about it like why would he bring in somebody to the fold that has nothing to do with Mobsters at all? Unless we're going to discover that his parents were like mobsters and he just never knew about It and maybe the granny was thrown from the building and didn't jump but how can I make it right? He's already had a crap life. I mean what if lying what if Wang through the through the schizophrenic old lady from the building to hit his parents who never know. I mean, I always keep an open mind to all these conspiracy theories and shows like this. It's fun. He definitely has an agenda that's a bigger than caring about them finding their killer voice and he seems like a Seems like a patient guy. I'm gonna do this now. He's a kid. I'm gonna wait a couple years and mine, you know who else are patient people are fans. Yeah, and you're a fan should do they should definitely subscribe shouldn't they? They should think so and like and like exactly. Hey afterbuzzers. 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And for helping us be the ESPN of TV talk hell. Yeah, and now now seems like a perfect time to jump into our news and gossip after I feel like there's so much more we could talk about what the episode but at the same time. It's like a pilot like it's all introductions and everyone's watched it. So if there's anything else you guys want to talk about mention it at predictions and we'll make sure we get to it but Raven, I believe you have some news and gossip for us. What do we got? I have a little bit of news some interesting information that I learned about the show and it kind of comes up in our conversations. But when the writer Creator was pitching the show he had one condition and his condition was that he stay heavily involved with the show. Thank God. Yes. So what we have right now is a Creator who's also the lead writer and the showrunner of the show. So he's there he's working. 80 hours plus a week. He did not want the characters to lose their integrity. So we're watching you know, how sometimes you watch a movie. Let's just say Robert Kirkman not being involved in The Walking Dead was fairly terrible for The Walking Dead exactly. So now in this case will get to see it unfold will get to see how not to mention. Let me mention this. I'm sorry the he still riding the comics. So at the same time that he's writing the comics Which is far ahead of the television series. Ruiz he has to continue to write the television series as well. So I think that's really cool and he's kind of living in Both Worlds at the same time without getting them mixed. So I look forward to seeing how this progresses with having him as a showrunner that's dope. I really like that and I hope that if he ever decides to step away from the show, they end it rather than just put other people involved and just Massacre the ending like Dexter as people in the chatter mentioning which I cover the after-show for that in the last two seasons that show it were absolutely terrible. Sorry guys, you guys move on to our special segment before going to predictions. Come back corner was the running couple Lucia could cook a comment. It's cool. So brides are gonna tell us a little bit about how the pilot reflects the novel definitely. So for the most part I can definitely say that good news as we had mentioned the fact that Rick remender the creator of the series is a lead writer on the show is great because it means it can stay very odd. Take and I can say that that is gently what's going on. Obviously the comic moves quicker. I think the show will spend a little bit more time developing characters and kind of giving the audience of view on like the world of who you know, these I guess clicks are like who the sato's are and who's the first world order and The kuroki Syndicate and it's definitely going to play a little bit more into Kings Dominion and give us a little bit more of that. Character building and World building because there's a whole lot of wild stuff that goes on in the comics. Let me tell you so it's I think it's going to stay pretty it's going to stay very accurate not super super accurate because then this would be an HBO show. Oh, is it that dark? Is it that Bloody dark? Yes, the this is not too much of a spoiler but something that's great about this comic and I think that is going to be great about the show. And also what would make it an important show Is the fact that this cast is so diverse. We have a diverse cast this comic deals a lot with mental health, which I think is very important in this world of people trying to not feel like it is a stigma it deals a lot with that. It deals a lot with just all these other kinds of issues. It's very interesting. What else got it cool. I'm excited. Um, let's just say I think Phi is going darker now, I think they're willing to push the envelope a little bit with this. So I'm really excited to see what they do with it from the pilot into where it goes in the graphic novel. How does it compare in terms of Gore Enos and how and in terms of like darkness is the is the novel a lot darker than the pilot area it is. Okay. It's definitely a lot darker backstories the same though backstories. Yes. There was saying there might be like a little tweaking here and there but marks Marcus's backstory is completely the same. The thing that I loved about what the show did is that it is taking the art style directly from the panels and put it into the show like the little animation sequence. We saw with Marcus's backstory was the animation in the comic and I thought that was brilliant. So even if you're not reading the comic just know that it that's what it is and mad appreciation and respect as reading the comic ruined the show for you or do you think that is an addition that is great to do as well. I think it's an additional medium that I'm very happy we get to have Cool. Alright who's excited to read the comics now? I am George you just got here pressured and I read through a little bit beforehand will definitely say I will definitely give a warning there are some very graphic moments that some people might not be into we're like, okay. This just got a little too wild for me hashtag trigger warning sure great. Let's move into predictions. So I've basically been doing my crazy side. I conspiracy theory dumb guy brain throughout this thing. So I want to know what you guys think is going to happen. Looks like the three main things you think are coming. You can go first Angelica. Obviously Veronica knows a little bit too much and I'm like should I I mean, I could technically give still get some predictions, but I have to like tell filter me. Yeah assume the show will Branch away maybe From the Source book just a bit just a bit. So my predictions are definitely that Lynn is going to serve as sort of a guiding character. He's going to be sort of that Sage character and what's going to happen is maybe he'll end up as a villain. In the end towards the end of the season. I don't know. I still don't think we quite have a villain character. I think they're going to let themselves be known but perhaps we'll see Marcus sort of take a really really dark turn. We've already seen a little bit of that towards the end of this episode. Hey, I mean, he only took a wooden plank to somebody's face. So I don't think it's that dark. Well, it was Rory. So sorry Rory womp womp Raven you're new to the genre. Yes. What do we thinks going on? I think Master Lin is the villain. Okay, I think his agenda is completely about himself and not about the kids and markets won't be able to handle it. I think I think Marcus will become kind of the hero kind of the you know speaking for the people. I guess they'll follow him. I think the chip on Marcus means something that we don't know about yet, but I think it kind of means that he's who's who list Targeting to be his own Minion because I feel like in a place where there's the yahoos of the CIA the FBI and everything Lynn is kind of left to the sidelines without anyone and I think he's trying to bring people in the fold. So Sia, maybe even though she's Japanese may be related to him in some way because again, his other daughter was Nia. I just kind of have a feeling that like, he's not good at non-rhyming names and he just that's what I have a feeling for. But yeah, I think that the reason that lint that Marcus was brought in because he's unaffiliated and as much as I make summer at it also makes them extremely valuable to ever get some and I feel like a recruitment drives going to start people are going to start giving him enticing offers to kind of be on their side once she goes out of the way and I think Maria is totally lying. I don't think she's into him at all. It's all a means to an end. Can't trust. I think she's into well can't trust them I ship it, but you can't make a ship named for Marcus and Maria because it's already mer. Right. So what's the hashtag? Mari are guess Mari Arcus. My I'll go with Maria Arc is hashtag Marcus. That's a terrible. My goodness me a little bit. I think I dig it. Well, thank you so much for everyone for tuning in. This has been the pilot episode of The Deadly class after show. We're going to be doing more watch long throughout the season. Not sure if it's going to be on a weekly basis or not. But this is your panel if you want to follow us there is Social Media stuff that you can follow us on and there's other after shows. Veronica why don't you tell them lovely Folks at home where they can find you to murder you. Well, that's a little dark not that but if you want it badly class, but you want to see pictures of dogs. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter at its me Veronica under scurvy. You can also catch me on the good doctor after show Tuesdays at 7 p.m. Pacific time. Yeah, I'm gonna not throw to people that way anymore. I think that's probably not a yeah side of the table. Too dark. We took it too. Dark too. Dark. Where do we find you Angelica? So I'm Angelica tray. You can find me on Twitter at a tray ayy tra eat, which a tray as well and Instagram at Angelica tré cool and Raven. 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It's the Pilot! We're breaking it down with our overall thoughts, a few character discussions, and a breakdown of the Clicks! Does Lin have a greater plan? What's Marcus' role within it? Does Maria actually like Marcus or is she just using him to get rid of Chico? Also what is Saya's role in Lin's greater plan!?! Rory didn't last long, but we'll be here all season! Join Angelica Trae, Raiven French, Veronica Valencia, and Stephen Lemieux to discuss Deadly Class Season 1 Episode 1 "Pilot"! It's a deadly class indeed! From Yakuza, to White Supremacists, Cartel, and even Hessians; King's Dominion is full of all sorts of deadly surprises. Lucky for you, you can break it all down with us every week on the DEADLY CLASS AFTERBUZZ TV AFTER SHOW where we'll discuss all the murder, assassins, conspiracy, and secret agendas! Tune in for our “Assassin of the Week” segment, and all the juicy news and gossip! Also! We'll have cast members in studio for the show, so be sure to subscribe, comment, and follow the show to stay up to date on all things Deadly Class!

Hi and welcome to the law of positivism podcast. I'm your host Shireen and I'm the creator of Love positivism. I'm here to help you on your spiritual and healing journey. I am a certified yoga and meditation teacher a student of Chinese medicine a doula a Reiki practitioner and a passionate highly sensitive person. I want to use my knowledge to channel information and messages for you to grow on all levels. Hi and welcome to the fourth episode of the podcast. I'm super happy about this week's guest and about the topic that we're going to talk about. It's something that I've written about a lot before and that I get so much feedback around and it's the HSP highly sensitive person trait that has been researched for a long time now and it's a personality or a trait that 15% to 20% of the population have and it's it's a trait that makes you very very sensitive to the environment so that you can sense and feel things in a more heightened State and in a deeper way, so This is a really interesting topic and I think many of you out there are relating to this personality trait and it's not only your personality. It's a innate trait that we have and that we are born with so I have this amazing guest mia Who Shana who have connected with here in Sweden and she's been working with Justness and all of this for over 30 years and she's been all over the world and had teachers from different parts of the world. And she's now the founder of the Scandinavian embodiment Academy and also the HSP embodied leadership training that we will talk about the quantum way also and it's so interesting. She has written a book. Ike called HSB embodied self-leadership the quantum way that will be published in 2020s. We will talk about this training as well and just interesting because she's been studying Consciousness since 1989 with Masters like three papaji and very long and she's a yoga teacher. She's trained in Reiki. She also does Hawaiian healing Sausage and she's a she's a coach as well. And right now she's studying with dr. Joe dispenza. So she has so much wisdom so much knowledge and I'm super happy to present this episode to you and I would love to hear back from you what you think and how you feel when you're listening to it. And if you have any questions, so just enjoy this episode. Hi Mia, hello. Hi, welcome to the podcast. Thank you so much. I hope you're doing well. I'm so excited to talk to you. We've been in touch for a while now. So I'm really excited about this call today, and I just want to start by asking you before we start our career conversation how you stay Mindful and present? Well, first of all, I just want to say thank you for inviting me and just acknowledging your work because I love what you do. It's so beautiful the Instagram account that you hold things and that just started this podcast. Thank you so much pray for you spreading so much lights and goodness. And yeah, so I'm very happy to be here staying Mindful and present. It's a it's a It's an interesting topic as we're going to talk about high sensitivity today, right? Yeah, because It's and I really have kind of a long response to that if that's okay. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, because because like for the highly sensitive person just generally before I talk about myself is if we are aware of her High sensitivity and we know about it a lot of people still have to learn about it right and identify with it. But if we are aware of her hi Sensitivity and we're still somewhat embodied in that then for a lot of us. The trick is to relax really from how super present we are so it's not so much an issue about becoming more present. It's more about being aware of how present we are and then finding, you know a relaxation. action in that so that we can so that we can surf and and navigate through life with this High presence because that's really what my sensitivity is about and Excuse me to be and that's the mindfulness in it. So it's a little bit different and and it applies to. It applies to the same model, which is basically the model behind everything that I think I will be talking about with you today is that it starts with mean our mindfulness Journey starts with the physical body, right? So the average way for each one of us as human beings is to start with with the physical body becoming aware of our breath and and our wait perhaps And the body to really, you know, come to the present moment from that body awareness. And then once that is a known and established a regular and and repeated self-awareness and practice then we can also become. Present in mind for through a little bit higher up in the energy systems or chakra systems or you know, and into our emotional body so really connecting with our heart to become staying present and staying mindful like whoa checking in with ourselves, you know, what's happening in me now and okay. Yeah, this is going on, but that can't be done before with. You know been used to or are known with doing this mindfulness check in through the body, right and then from there. Once we have established and really embodied that and kind of living that on a daily basis. We're just we all heard that we're in the embodiment of those types of presences or abilities to become president through these different parts of ourselves the physical and the emotional then Then we can start also working on which is my greatest excitement at this time in my life together with the others as well is the becoming present through our thoughts. And that's that's that's where my practice is now. I spent many many years in let's say both of the others like the presence in the physical body and them and then quite easily for a highly sensitive personality. I would say coming into the emotional body for presents because we you know, the veil for us into our emotional body is quite thin it's easy for us to get there. It's easy for us to be there the whole time actually and even be overwhelmed. Which will probably talk about today, but so my practice is about thought presents. And it's so exciting. I've been calling it like mono yoga just adding, you know mind practice to yoga classes yoga situation, and then of course just deepening and pure meditation work to become. Conscious of my unconscious thoughts so that's very subtle, right? Hmm But that's that's the practice that I have now because if I noticed myself I mean generally Fineman find a lined and imbalance. I will. Be there, I will just press it. That's how who I am today. And being present is being mindful. I mean they just you know, they come together. So when you're present you are Mindful and that when I noticed that you know out of alignment or not really want to recalibrate because I'm not Relaxed or healthy or excited about life. I don't have access to like, you know elevated emotions feeling feeling good. Let's say but um bit more in my survival part of myself struggling and may be anxious and may be fearful like that. Then I start checking in with with. Okay. What? Hey, hey, hey, what what thoughts are running here in the unconscious? And so that's that's my practice today and and to be able to at all have access to my unconscious thoughts because they're so subtle. I need to become fully still sit and take myself to that place and Consciousness where they originated. So, yeah, and if I need to I'll go through the body, you know, maybe I need to down submit first to do some yoga in a breed. Of course. I'll be breathing and maybe I need to connect with my heart my emotional body to just hey. Allow for that gateway to welcome so that I can be in meditation and be aware of my thoughts. Yeah, that's a beautiful practice. Thank you so much for sharing. I'm super excited about it. Thank you. Yes, I did about it. It's changing my life and you've done so much in your life. It's amazing the journey that you've been on and how much like knowledge and wisdom that you have. With the work that you do, it's really amazing. I'm very like just just really happy that we have connected because you have so much to share to the world then we connected because I've been also talking about the topic of Highly sensitivity and or highly sensitive persons or and I've been working on understanding. In the trait in myself because I'm very highly sensitive. If I just look at the test that you can do online, which is very basic. Dr. Elaine and I score very high and I think just just having a framework for what it is that I'm experiencing is is really it's a good feeling to know and that others Experiences and that I think in in that whole way if I just discovered you and your trainings and everything that you work with and I think it's amazing because I think I haven't seen anything like that anywhere else and we live in Sweden and we have access to a lot of different things here in Stockholm. And so I would actually love to for you to just tell the listeners more about yourself. To begin with and and what you do and yeah just a background. Oh, thank you. Thank you for that acknowledgement and presentation. Um, yeah. Long story short, I like the longer. I'm here the older I get quote unquote. I understand more about my own background and why I made the choices that I did from a very young age. Let's just say that I had I was probably designed and programmed. Let's say to remember at a very young age to awaken and to just the reality of truly being dimensional or die National being and you know originating from sources. Well our and and it was just that it was it's almost 30 years ago. I think it's 29 years ago, whatever but there wasn't a whole crowd of people around doing that. So I was very much drawn to finding people who who related to it in a similar way like myself like we do like you said about, you know, reading the HSP book or just identifying with okay, I belong to this group kind of and that's a relaxation and itself and then I can study and learn and become from there. So I spent I mean, I've spent my whole life since then devoted to that because I you know, because it's it's just why I'm here and it's my greatest love and so the first let's say ten years and within these three decades I traveled a lot. I was living a lot in India for a long time for 30 months and and either coming or going to my teacher and my community there. I was you know studying. I was just taken to by Grace without knowing what was happening to me to to ass ain't really that name is papaji. And and that's where I wake in Denver. And everything and then he was like such a shock to me anyway, because I was not I was I was identified with Jamie speaker and I and I was kind of a finder. I don't know if that makes sense. But you know and it was like so what am I supposed to do with my life now? I don't have this question in me anymore. My question was what is God. That was my question is like what is it? I really wanted to know I didn't want to believe I wanted to know. So yeah, I took me, you know, I've been studying with different Master Teachers that have appeared like teachers appear in our waste when we when we send out the signal that we want the information that they can unlock right so I studied with him and just sitting in meditation for you know in history Quincy for for a long time. Always being on pilgrimage and sharing what I had, you know, because we can always share what we have doesn't we don't need to get to a certain point we can just share what we got. I was always doing that and then I got into kind of leaving the Eastern world. I just felt I guess the calling to actually have my place in the western Society somehow reluctantly maybe because it was much easier, you know being in the east that I wanted to be of some sort of meaning I think in the western world and I started got into the teachings and learnings and remembering things and unlocking a lot of things within like a very classical tantric teaching my teacher for I think 12 Years a mentor. It was a man called Barry long from Australia and So we were just really also for hours and meditation during all of the workshops with him. I was translating some of his work and she's Swedish and books and I just kept studying with him a lot and spending a lot of time with him and together with also a partner that I was with for 10 years. So that really embodying this work and like through lovemaking and through presents together and creating a you know, very dedicated path. Lots of joy And you know, there's always this send this gigantic Road of healing behind the scenes as well. So I've gone through a lot of viewing which has made me study and learn and own or have ownership of many different, you know, healing modalities and remedies like yoga the yoga teacher and I'm a meditation teacher and I'm a you know, I'm not an embodied soul. Chin, I'm a dancer of you know, I teach conscious dance and and I do healing work and I know a lot about herbs and how to eat and sleep them all these things. So for my own sake I learned all these things or remembered them and then I started working with them because I knew them. I wanted to love teaching yoga and dance um and being a coach and therapist and so yeah the past ten years. I've been doing that like really doing the body mount work teaching yoga teacher. He's conscious downs and also creating a few traditions and schools within it the dance is called embodied Soul downs and the yoga that I've been creating has been really anchored with press. It's and Consciousness awareness of Consciousness talking about the inner reality and doing a lot of workshops. And now I'm doing this work with and leadership and self leadership around High sensitivity and also the recovering from stress burnout because it turned out there so relatable when it comes to the solution from the angle that I am working I should know and that began about three years ago. I think with me creating I was still teaching yoga classes and I just decided to teach another class and and so I I was called to create a class around High sensitivity and stress burnout and recovery from that and so I just put it out there on an afternoon time in at three o'clock in the afternoon just to see he was going to show up and what the need was for this material and and it was just the response was so strong. The course was fully booked them and people really made the time to be there and and and I saw that this material is more than just a yoga class. It's actually a training. I saw kind of into the future that this is the training happening sometimes so I started taking notes of everything that was coming through and that everything that you know teaching through the classes. And now we're doing now we're doing this work in intro workshops, which is like a retreat. We just go to retreat for two days and we relax and restore at the same time, but it's also an introduction to to this work and this self leadership from like the quantum perspective and embodied so body learning. And then I'm also doing which I just launched and started this year four day training for people holding space for people who come to them with these these learning. Sorry, you know the need for more than this. Yeah, and that's how we actually connected because I was I got very interested in the teacher training being a yoga teacher myself the taking it to that level as well and you have some workshops coming up and also teacher trainings planned for next year, right? Yeah. Yeah, this is right. We're still like we're just super suggestible. This is News so people are kind of inviting us or inviting me and sometimes I managed to get you know, one of my assistants to go with me and do some sound healing while we there and just you know be my my buddy and so they're inviting us to two different places. So I'm very much in that space right now where this seems to be happening a lot and and yeah, we're going to Norway the week after this. Next weekend November 9th and 10th and then it's outside Oslo and then we're going to kiruna in Sweden, too. I had to yeah also give this Workshop. It's in the middle of a know. It's the end of November November 30th December 1st. And and then we're going to Finland next year. We haven't set the dates for that yet. And then we're just pretty open for doing more of these workshops and and leading up to the next training which is booked for June 4 to 7 in Sweden next. Here is the next dates that we've set. It's amazing and it's such a magical places I think to and yeah, it's a magical time now to do this work and go within I think so. I can know it. I see that a lot of the people I've connected on Instagram with they respond to the HSB topic a lot and And I see that it's growing like the awareness is growing. It's not that suddenly We are Becoming highly sensitive. It's more like just the awareness around what it is and acknowledging that it's a part of us. So I would actually like to ask you to just for maybe they're our listeners that have never heard about high sensitivity or highly sensitive person. Just what it is what it means for you and how you how would you describe It's just to explain it. Wow. Basically, it's something that nature created in in us as a pact to survive. Also, the animals apparently have this and I don't know exactly which animals have how much of it and so on but it's like it's to create a balance of a pack a tribe to survive. So we are the highly sensitive people are Are like deeply perceiving reality more deeply perceiving reality in all Dimensions, like sensing things and smelling things perhaps or just being aware of how other people feel or being able to kind of, you know, see what what situation it might lead to if we take these different. Steps and or choices and just reading energy very intensely and also being very very strongly experiencing their senses Now High sensitivity is so individual. We can't generalize. It's really I've really seen that through, you know through meeting so many people who who are highly sensitive. Or highly sensitive Lee gifted. It's really a gift. It's really like a talent a skill a possibility and ability to to feel and sounds very deeply life all of life. So some people, you know, feel more some here more some smell more and but mainly we just We perceive things very deeply and it's about they say between 15 and 20% of of all people are highly sensitive. And so that's a lot. It's like up to one fifth of everyone that we know when relate to and yeah, the trick is of course is like that our culture's are not designed for this skill and ability so much and that's that's what makes it difficult for people to to you know. Fit in to the 95 demanding whatever structured. but on the other hand a lot of other people find difficulty to fitting into that as well because it's designed for you know, it's very stressful and it's designed for a different kind of pace than what's actually are normal Rhythm anyway, so I like to say that that That some of our energy centers, you know some of our energy centers or chakras as highly sensitive people are more enhanced or Advanced them the average person and they're all about intuition. It's like, you know, the guts the got to feeling we you know, our intuitions heightened. We know things are we feel things so we just were in tune with out so we can help other people be in tune with their intuition and we can some have that service for you know our family or pack or tribe or community and it's the same with our heart the other Center for intuition feeling from the heart and being intuitive from the heart just being connected quite emotional and away but or feeling at least from that place and then also the more highly higher intuitive centers like You know the pineal gland the third eye and and the bottom that's a great way of of seeing and describing it and I think like you said, it's it's very I mean we can all have so many different personalities and ways of being and living so it's really hard but usually I mean, I think I can sense if someone is highly sensitive. Quite quick now that I recognize it in myself and I think highly sensitive people can also naturally like get drawn into each other because we have kind of the same needs. So it's it's it's a mutual understanding that okay for sitting right here where it's really Loud and noisy it's not going to be easy to eat our food or we can tell you have like a proper conversation if it's a lot of things going on and I think I think it's also evolution in oneself because in the beginning and I think what dr. Elaine also spoke about that how has have researched a lot about HSB also that this trait becomes stronger as you grow and become I'm an adult. I can see a big transition from being a teenager and early 20s. Like the way I was living is it's not compatible with my sensitivity right now and that can have to do with a lot of other factors that happen in life like stress and high demands and those things too, but it feels like it it gets stronger and then you work maybe also intuitively and And I know it's a difference also between High sensitivity and being an empath but if you have that as well, then that becomes like one extra layer on top of it. So I think it's really just working on it and seeing it as a gift as you said because it's not like a disability in any way. It's it's more like we can have Can use this as a as a tool and there's a purpose with it. Yeah, there is and it is an urban city for sure. It's an ability. But any ability can turn into a disability, of course, you know in any area of Life. Yeah, I think it's interesting what she says about that about how ya how it seems that the older we get the more developed. Our high sensitivity might be I think that is true for the generations that are all adults now, but I'm not so sure it's true for the generations that are have been born and our children now depends on how we raise them because you know what I'm saying with us. Yeah, because like I was a super sensitive child even my family used to call me touchy and we're Swedish baking family generally bespoke sang some English as well, but they would call me touchy because That was so sensitive. Not that there was any knowledge or awareness about high sensitivity in those days, but I was and I was so in tune with the Stars and universe and the sky and my Spirit guides and my my heart and my intuition and my you know, the whole inner reality was very real for me and that's just saying a lot about which brain waves. I'm very much functioning from and we are that as children as well. Well, and and I think or I'm super convinced, although I don't have the evidence to prove it at this moment or at this time, but if we allow the highly sensitive Child and Adolescent to be an environment and also with other people who you know, so they can identify and there's knowledge around this and and we support them in this journey instead of throwing them into the mold of how everything else is run which certainly was you know my case and maybe your case in most people's cases because it was another time but now we're in a new time where we can where we have this knowledge and we have these this beautiful research behind and more is coming and we have many people dedicated to to working with us and seeing how it relates to the brain and and then I don't think it's a necessity to necessarily. I don't know what's going to happen with age, of course because it hasn't happened yet will have yet to see that but you know I'm saying it's like if we don't Shut it down. During the years that we grow up and form into adults then I think we will have a very different situation and Society of course. Yeah, that's very true. Yeah and just if parents and adults and schools take this into consideration. Yes, then it the highly sensitive actually doesn't have to suffer so much from trying to be in a different way because I think One thing also just when you when you are in school and in situations, it's all always highly regarded to to be like extrovert and being like always like a team player like it's so built for being in groups, but also being this extroverted than and you have to almost be that in a lot of places. has to be seen and heard and if we can have places for children and adults that wear this trait and this type of ability is also respected and and understood I think that allows for more growing because I think when you accept it and you start working with it, it's so much potential that They're so also I think. When you have that knowledge about how to work with it, I think that's when we can find so much. He's in our lives and it's about listening and being conscious about our needs and what what actually works for us, but it's also really hard as a highly sensitive to put your kids living with a lot of like the feeling of wanting to have a harmonious environment pleasing others a lot of anxiety can come up big if you if you walk your own path, but that's a part of the path as well to understand that you have to do what is good for you because you can't you can't help others. If you don't help yourself first, and I think that's that would be an interesting thing to get into like just generally in life. I know you're teaching also the the courses and also the teacher training is now but like generally in life, what would you say is important for highly sensitive people, too. Do or not do to to harness this this ability, right? Yeah, I'd love to talk about that. I just want to get back to you said such interesting things about I think it's important to focus on like super important actually to focus on okay. So what are these these these people this group of people in these individuals within this group this group of people? What what are their abilities what are they here for so and having a look within this group? We have like we have so many artists and healers and you know medicine people we have people who are really in touch with their bodies and with with arts and also with Spirits. Yeah, so when Society will shift which it is, I you know gradually doing into rewarding those qualities higher then then it will be a much very different situation because it's so important not to look at this ability High sensitivity, as you know, something that we need to know how to take care of and it's rather. How can we thrive in it? I'm so keen on putting the attention into that instead of into the difficulties and the negative aspects of everywhere the hard aspects of it because where we place our attention is where we're going to create more and and you know, we replace our energy so to see that once, you know one Society or the Societies or communities that really put a lot of value and to you know, the artist Community the Healer Community even like, you know in Morton native kind of tribes like the medicine man or woman gosh a tribe would not survive without them or the spiritual leader or leaders of that tribe. They're they're super important for the tribe survival. So as we evolve as a species in those areas and acknowledge the value of those areas then themselves easier to direct the the thought around High sensitivity as well. This is great. How can you use it? How can I work with this? And I think that's a super important aspect because also thinking about you know, how can we go into your your question is how how can we what do we need? What should we think about? And I want to start with a thought about it. Like how are we thinking about it? Are we thinking about it as You know a problem or are we thinking about it as a concept? And why is that important because that's going to change your whole chemistry and start, you know, tuning into your relaxation into life because if we think about it from like from the survival centers again of our of our physical or our human being our energy body, then we're just gonna make it worse. We're going to think about the problem and we're going to be in beta Bring waves, and we're going to try to figure out the problem from the same level that of thought or Consciousness that the problem is presenting itself or the situation is presenting. So so if we can If we can learn how to rise. From there from the survival Instinct where we are so focused and this is really the answer to you. We're so focused on our external environment, right? We all know how important we initially and spontaneously feel that it is to fix the environment around us. No, I need to sit in that corner further over there. That's gonna be easier for me than here. It's too noisy or there. Draft or there's you know, there's a light coming from the ceiling. It affects my state of being we're manipulating. That's just like a cafe situation that I'm imagining. Then we have, you know transport to work out what kind of work am I actually gonna have so that I can accommodate all these sensitivities that I have. Maybe I need to just stay out of rush hours and maybe I should always take the bus. Us or Walk This Way through the forest to get to that bus stop and to balance and recalibrate and the line and feel better. So we're very focused on the external environment to fix our inner state of being are you with me on that? Mmm? Yeah sure and that will be the general way of discussing this this will be the general way of talking about it it is if you know You gather a couple highly sensitive people will be talking about that, you know and we'll be do all these things. What what what should I eat? Not eat and how should I body and not move my body to accommodate my inner reality. So on. I'm I'm taking the approach. I'm acknowledging that. That approach because it has its value of course and it's all about coming Rising like from the survival part of ourselves our lowest energy centers and then Rising into the heart again same with a mindfulness model of practice that I talked about in the beginning so we can rise into the heart and then we can relax. and from the heart we can access higher States Of Consciousness, but I'm approaching this from getting into those higher States Of Consciousness the higher states of thought to begin with And from there create different thoughts and a different relationship to our internal or inner reality and it will and it and in doing that work and focusing on on creating the inner reality regardless of you know, the external circumstance it things shift a lot. Things shift a lot because we're not working from you know on the situation difficulty or problem from the same level of thought that where it appears. We're Rising above that like Einstein said, you know or suggested that we have to solve the problem. We need to think we need to be in higher frequency of thoughts higher state of consciousness than where the problem is taking place. And and it's and it's not so easy to talk to perhaps talk about that on a podcast, but that's the work that we do in these. In my workshops and the work I do with my clients and and it's changes a lot. It changes everything because it's like it it starts taking control and commanding the field of energy your own field of energy your own field of energy before it comes into matter before it becomes particle you work with the way. That are working on the particle just you know the environment and your body is also your environment. It's so easy to forget. So true isn't that interesting? Yeah, very interesting. I think it's like because what we sense what when we're talking about highly high-sensitivity. It's still in our physical body. So it's like like the light that hits us or the noise that we hear or that feeling of like this little thing on my shoulder. Like it's small things that is if the body but when when you when you I think that's why for me it's so important to work on higher levels because then I take myself out of that because that's my that's like I'm almost being forced to go up there and just to go beyond it because otherwise it would become very overwhelming and at the same time. It's so easy to be up there and to I think also like you said it Since I was a child to be in that space, it's very easy to tap into and then how to ground down exactly like it's a battle. Yes. It is a balance because we're not doing this to dissociate. This is really important to integrate in this work. We're in this, you know in this self leadership that we can take. So we're not doing that to dissociate, you know, we're doing it to to embody it and to bring it down into Our life and and I like to say I founded this HSP 101, you know, like what is my first to go to and instead of having the the HSP 101 my first to go to thought or action being something of all of these things that I have done for my whole life and you know, so many years adjusting the environment. You know, we can make a long list of how we like to adjust the environment to feel safe and feel imbalance and feel relaxed. Like we've been talking about lights and noises and geography and relationships and what we eat and what we dress in and all these things and they're not bad. We're going to still enjoy doing that because you know, it's fun to be a human and we like to you know, just explore but we don't want to be ruled and control. By the external circumstance and environment to feel so we want to be free to choose that but not be ruled by it or dominated by it. So my HSP 101 is nothing of that but it is to to remember that I am bigger than the environment. I am bigger than the environment. I am bigger than any environment I am. Bigger than my body. I'm bigger than the environment. What does that mean? You know, that's not something that we intellectually can understand we have to perceive it with our awareness. We have to take ourselves to that State of Consciousness those relaxed brain waves or frequencies. That are not in survival and beta or high beta looking for to adjust the external environment. We need to go through the Gateway of the heart and to the deeper and relaxation of you know, Alpha brain waves or Theta bring ways and really dissolve into into that void. That's where I am bigger than the environment and that's my to go to that changes everything. So when I spend time there and start choosing to spend my time in my inner reality, which is really Such a much bigger reality than then the matter than the material then all the things that are around me including my body. Because you know if we look at an atom how much of an atom is just pure space and how much is particle it's nothing. So that's where we go. And and the work is really to direct people back repeat back repeat back repeat because we are just too we are default our current default. We're changing the current default into a new default and and that will also change because we're just an evolution that we're changing this because we will will we tend to immediately come back to well. What about this? You know, what about this? You know, we're looking again at matter or the external reality. So that's that's the whole approach from from and that will also be my response like what what you know, what tools can I use in my day-to-day life? Well, I could give you so many tools as of You know trying to find a job where you feel that you can rule young times and I have that. I love that. I'm not intending to change that, but I don't want to be A slave under all those circumstances that I create around myself and I have them so I know what it's like to be painted into a very very small spot of the corner because you've made your life like smaller and smaller and smaller and a lot of us. You also mentioned being introvert. It's not true for all highly sensitive people. I have learned because I've met so many some are actually extraverts and I'm like, what is that? You know, but it is not the majority. I wouldn't say but it was a big part. I think it's like 30 percent or something are highly sensitive extroverted. Yeah. Yeah, it's bigger than it's still a yeah, so it's like out of the highly sensitive people 30% or extrovert if I remember it correctly. So it's not it's it's not like we can't equate introversion with no sensitivity. That's a good thing. It's more about our senses. Yeah, but I could you know, as I don't know perhaps coming to a closure of our talk eventually is instead of giving so many recommendations for how to adjust your external situation relationships time and space your life out there. I my brooch is like teaching people and helping people to learn and becoming in more and more and Mastery of their inner environment so that we can approach life from higher state of consciousness. So that's where my interest life and I've learned and truly need to acknowledge. Dr. Joe dispenza also because I've been studying with him for the past year and a half two years and to really understand like the science behind all this and apply it into the work that I've been doing. So Yeah. Amazing and so you have the different weekends and trainings like who would come to these these trainees and weekends could do you have to be highly sensitive or how does it work? Yeah. I also have I also see a lot of clients in 101 and I love doing this work also on distance like we don't need to be in the same time and space. all and if it's needed we do a lot of healing work in there too so that we can relax into the heart but So anybody can come to that? Of course, we all know when we're called to. To reach out and to get some support to upgrade and remember that's all we're doing. Like I'm just unlocking things for other people. I just that's also what I like to call myself a coach instead of you know, a therapist or counselor. Although I say that too sometimes but it's like I just want to give people their own. I just want to help them unlock and then they move on and get in charge of their own life and not being dependent on. Somebody to support them forever. Let's say from the outside to the weekends. Anybody can come anybody can come there. They're really introductions and Retreats. So whoever shows up we will accommodate for the group and and bring in I will bringing as much of information as the group is ready for like like on an introductory level and then the trainings are designed for people who already work with people and that's basically it you don't have to be a yoga teacher or a specific person but people who come to the trainings are Well a lot of yoga teachers and therapists and mothers and with high sensitive children. And yeah, that's that's sort of group anybody working with other people, but I would love to see you know, supervisors and bosses and and Executives, you know people who are really leading other people and among their staff all yes, Lee has highly sensitive people like just so I would love that and they are so welcome and So anybody who is working with people who are highly sensitive and the trainings that we've had so far has been a mixed most people again are themselves identifying to some degree with being highly sensitive, but you certainly do not have to to be there and in the groups that we've had it's going to mix not everybody has been highly sensitive themselves and they've been so appreciative to learn from the group of highly sensitive. Cool, you're like that because they need it and they're all the work. mmm Amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you. Is there any less? Is there any last thing you want to share before? We close the call? I don't know just I just like love to step out of the podcast and see the person who's listening and just look into their eyes and you know, just knowing that we got this. It's like everything we need is already within us and it's so amazing. It's already there. It's already free. We just need access to it and unlock it and then embody it through training and training and training ourselves repeating new. and and so the intellectual understanding is not so interesting anymore that application of the understanding is what's interesting to do the work and become the change. So, yeah, and of course I open arms hope that people reach out if they want to know more about all of this. Yes, and we've I want to thank you so much for Hope creating this space. Hmm. He did that. Amazing. It's truly is you have created this podcast you've created this space for this conversation on many more to take place. Yes, and thank you so much. I'm grateful for your time and your presence and I'm sure we'll connect again very soon. And yeah, thank you so much. It's been so valuable. Thank you. I'm super filled with joy and and excitement and I'm smiling and my body is tingling and Thank you so much. Bye bye. Bye cheering. Thank you. Bye. Thank you so much for tuning in today. I really hope that this episode brought some more light and some more insights into the highly sensitive area and maybe you can take something away to practice in your life and all the links to Mia's website and To Graham and Facebook you can find in the show notes and I just hope that you can integrate this in a smooth way. And if you feel like this episode was helpful. Please leave a review and rating on iTunes. So more people can find the show and if you do so you can also take a screenshot and I will pull an oracle card for you. So let's just take Take a deep breath in together. And breathe out and enjoy the rest of your day or evening namaste. 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This episode is all about high sensitivity and the highly sensitive person (HSP) trait. Did you know that around 15-20% of the population are highly sensitive? My guest today is Mia Hozona, an embodied consciousness pioneer who is 30 years into her calling to midwife the current rising of consciousness. Having studied and presented in various parts of the world, she is the founder of Scandinavian Embodiment Academy and the HSP Embodied Leadership Training - the quantum way. She is also the author of a book that will be published in 2020. Currently she is studying with Dr Joe Dispenza. We talk about how HSP is an ability and a trait that we can use on our path to enlightenment. We also talk about how to ascend the senses to truly start embodying the trait. In this episode we cover these topics: HIghly Sensitive person HSP Embodied Leadership Training - the quantum way Embodiment You can  visit Mia’s website: http://www.littlewing.se and her Instagram to receive inspiration and wisdom: https://www.instagram.com/epic.embodiment Mia is hosting a weekend workshop in Norway for HSP, highly sensitive and those that suffer from fatigue in November. You can read more about this event and other workshops, and connect with Mia through her Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/miahozona/ Visit Law of Positivism: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/law_of_positivism/ Website: https://www.lawofpositivism.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawofpositivism/

I will destroy them all. Welcome to coordinate where this time. You may hear some Christmas like the background light bill speaks. Hello and welcome to the Courtney. I'm Tyler and welcome to scheana Kino kogan captivated by it. Yes, you may. Yeah, guys you may notice some background noise during this and according specially one speaking and my audio content are asleep but induce, but yeah bills in a cafe and enjoy drinking it a nice last night something with bug was Christmas music playing in the background like me will be retested. Perfect. I'm quitting the mood for about details - mmm. How are you? I'm good. Yeah, so this is a very Titan heavy Arc very tight many lots of lots of parts and things are just not too much better if you had answered more Becky, but yeah, have you got any news for us? Any Attack on Titan and then they know that they'll take so yeah, I supposedly this month is like okay, we're recording this in December. So this is like they call it the golden month because usually two chapters come out of the manga because they try they the January chapter gets leaked early because they finish it early so they don't have to work over the holidays. So yeah, which then makes the February chapter take forever. Yes. I suppose it will should we jump on in this company and why the Baristas we start off the episode beyhive and the Beast side so really cool about friends in The Hundred-Foot division of the circle course, but training, That's training program your pardon for triangles. They will be like just based on sat in a room. Hold it still and they detect way a bunch of items is the City by consensus and none of them have their biddy biddy. You would we call it BBM BDSM gear? Yeah. Yes VD P VD Amin personal directional movement. Yeah, they like Richard. Anyway, there's Finally, you must be logged in so many fights and dots so many birds and there's some big round Parts like yeah, there's a big juicy box this small box that bending over backwards. There's lots lots of view to see some nice tape. He handsome but yes, so the assumption is that the wall has been breached and sneaky got his ass getting out in cycles and worlds. They were all the trainees and they get em all down into horse. Tell Em we have your wallpaper, so that's what everyone got everyone thinking. I was thinking. I think his name is Mike Zacharias. My tie is a curious girl. I love the way how a lot of like really just normal guys are really concerned like give me here almost completely and then there's like 30 people named Tom. Yeah might result. So he wanted to for things funds go north from the Eastland piss out on here west and south King plays. You got Circle back around as well and see if they can identify where the break in the Warriors. And so this is what we're essentially my favorite. She volunteers go is it I don't know but she's going towards the village she's from and since you've obviously Then she shouldn't have involved his Connie who's going to be kind of basing their self-esteem less dangerous one. Good evening says South is that we most famous. Yeah, it is going to go to like the village he's from so yeah, but look what my diligence for the cell that he's obviously concerned that you know, like me it happens. And yes, like maybe so our sniffy friend he is apparently the second And best fighter just behind Levi so he plans on like taking on a bunch of Titans like himself to like distract them. Yeah, because - not late all the Titans and start running it which it reaches a reverse was normal titles. So he just he decides I'm going to take off by myself. They come on and it's like something like you're mental. There's no way you could possibly take on I think nine spot and questions. Yeah, right. I'm trying to see if I can. John Paul II I'm sure they mentioned how many items they were there. No, no, you can't do that. There's neither a new I'm not sure but I do know my favorite items whatever one man gets my Fighters that's ridiculous. And then it doesn't he flicks to hims going on group. Guess it's for left. Yeah, and this has like some of my favorite items. We've got the old man Titan who appears to be pregnant? Well, he's only holding this belly like he looks pregnant. The Reapers in Delhi. Yeah, very very strange. And there's the tighten with the big head little body and no neck. Yeah, like a joint bite. Yeah, he could be who knows but with a big old butt would be big old man's Chanel's there's one time keep popping up in this is where it seems like randomly just people by their heads while I went awesome. Hmm, but we'll when I see one that's like that I'll point out. Mike is taking like care of those Titans. No problem. And he's like, huh, but that big hairy went over there. He's cut a kind of worries me. He's a weird-looking never seen one with fur like that. Yeah, you could say that moxon is 8 17 weeks of wolves, maybe hello. This is will get around. Is that okay? And then he's like Michael relief resource and a big burrito. Pizza pretzels and and like you can evil eye and just throws the horse is like know what and yeah, 40 mike-mike Bulls often Falls right into the arms of the right to the mouth actually a big nose, baby title and the yeah. Yeah. Go on the Beast tighten the big hairy one. He's like I told you to stop wait. Eight and then he just like picks up like that Titan. It's mostly ahead and just like squishes him to his eyes pop out. It's great in the manga any animations long as well. He's like that. Fantastic, it's so gross. I would also say that when you watch this in the enemy version is but beginning in season, so it's a lot creepier than how it isn't hanging like the way the typing tools to Mike. Yeah, I guess we should mention so this Arc is in the entirety of season 2, so Well, this is how it is, isn't it? Okay, I wonder what the odds so yeah, so the Harry Potter in start sculpting wax. So if you call this weapon want to go against fly around and why it's just like that augustin's insulting him and neighbors control sizes and it confuses Harry button because the same I'll just take that with you and me. It looks kind of funny in his hand. It's so tiny. Yeah, and that might suddenly regained his senses. Like well you - he's only lost if we don't fight back so you can see swords out and they as the hair we got hairy beasts eyes will glaze you guys move now and it's warm but it fighters who slowly tear him to pieces and represent. The enemy version is really gruesome and yet and then that brings us the end of chapter 35 So yeah, we know I know his music slows down. So so yeah, so we get a lot of people wandering around telling people to evacuate. I believe they reach the nearest districts. I didn't bother writing down any of the names of the district's. So yeah, some of the quotes get back to the other districts and I start telling people dance items coming and that the wall has fallen and then this is where they walking in a form command Pyxis. Oh, yeah, exactly know we really can't piss all over places, but you know, they show you my pictures in the form the walls gone down and then we click over to five hours after that. License was spotted and structure this finally reached the home Village. And so she's running around warning everyone and then she flashed back to her dad. Yeah, and so in the anime, her dad's got like a thick southern accent, so they're basically rednecks but they're like wholesome ass rednecks because like her dad just seems like the nicest guy. Yeah pretty much. Yeah, but we're done. Yeah, he's basically just like sachet you just gotta like you gotta accept others. Yeah, it's like you saying let you gotta move sometimes but I think what's happened here is after the cost of the initial tragedy Legend travesty Jima and then all the and all of your email and all the immigrants coming in and you know going back into the inner districts a lot of We're getting started like, you know, there's something a little more population. So what was originally Sacha and her dad hunting grounds and a basin Piedmont enhances people coming in and stealing all their game and he placed in telling session. We've gotta move with the times very good fields from horse farm, and he basically he says that a whole thing about I don't like how Society works is people like relying on each other. So like if she doesn't want to be a part of this she needs to be completely on her own and like not expect anyone to ever help her again if she's not going to help others because I'm sorry, but I used today after the election in good Society. As I mean, I'd send out all those Nigerians. Yes guys. Guess who's number one podcast in for animation and manga for grants in Nigeria. Let us take you to all of our Nigerian listeners. Yes. I don't know if that equates to like one or what but you know I have no idea is on the anxious that we have noticed in my area. But according to the podcast and stats the world. We are number one that could put custom interior. I like how anchor stats are set up to show you stats from different planets. Yeah. I know extreme Eastern number one in Nigeria. We were one point number one job is all danger and they suddenly we popped up is number four in Great Britain. And I think he did we hit like number 18 and I think we may have been in the top 10 at one point. You know, we don't need a job. That's all anyway. So yeah, we have this that we are parting session and he basically says that as a loss on the soil give us your every win wait perfect little conversation when he's basically like family because we see it as United as we see a bird eating a worm. Yes, you do. It's one of our favorite panels. It's like very random the random variable. But then we also see the Titan eating the child's mother and yeah, and it's like a three meter Titan. So it's like one of the smaller ones and I find them to be the creeper ones because they just like they look like big naked people big guys. Yeah, but yeah, so that says she picks up an Axe and tries to chop his head off can't get anywhere with it because the accident is it made now triple hard and brittle brittle brittle skill sets some reason. She just like hammers away it looking just casually dysentery. It is full of not being able to completely ignore Sacha so she grabs the kid in brown and the thing eventually it'll take some notice like Hey My My My and so it starts to run off this a sure and get Sacha accidentally being such a I'm just a whore sluice runs on so she picks up a bow and arrow tells the kids to run and then shoots the thing. Anyway a couple times and my God - dude shut up. Yeah, the inventory sandwiched in between so we get a nice little scene with Sacha and Junia and Christian. We're way Chris you mean is kind of thoughts on the fact that it's actually putting on a bit of an accent. She's not bringing her more Southern but Southern drawl. Yeah, and actually obviously you get here that in the Margo but in the anime like in the flashback, she has a Southern accent and then normally she just talks like pretty neutral accent. So well when she picks it up out room. It says there's obviously she recognizes both on the southern accent and it's the bit where she tells child to run. She says, I think it's funny how like Sasha's just like, you know telling the kid like it's going to be okay. It's going to be everything's going to be fine and the kids like what's gonna be? Okay, what's going to be fine? Because like the village? Just like abandoned her mom because her mom like had trouble walking and so like no one bothers saving her or her mom. So yeah, it is like this what you came to do. We do accept my fate, so I'm not being cynical. Yes after managers blind this title. Is there a chance to get away then she hears and reads it looks up and there's a dead one even worse. And then I don't think we see Sasha again. No, that's it. We don't see that here at all. The rest of this is Art, you know, she went she is my favorite and I will skip the console. But yeah, you see the good in question at the end of it all hostilities be parented by the kind of overweight. And then now we can catch up with Aaron again. So are we in need to stir and bring this is our evening? Oh Angie laughs Angie. Yeah. Yeah Conte and grease and Levi's got a gun on the priest like yeah, if we don't need to be more comfortable starting school. Yeah, they're taking this grease to try and break his spirit and his old who were Wooden secret how the wattage of I like I like the idea. I mean, that's basically Tramp right Trump supporters. Yeah, you came strainer and and in the variable have over room and CNC living. Anyway, clearly they have someone that doesn't believe in climate change why like a good portion of their country is on fire, you know, it's never used to happen. Our president said you just got to make sure your rake those leaves. That's how he prevents forest fires. That's a real thing see my reactions that come in my head anyway, so speaking of a agents take it inside this. So yeah, the basic trying to break this break down and yeah Aaron just like a screenshot is Kris just won't give up his secret. Yeah. It's like if you know something that could save Humanity like why don't you say it just just do it like why what could be more important? Interesting nugget we do get out of this is from Joey who held out that she's got a scale D. Now tighten and she realized that it's made of the same stuff on the walls made out. So the walls made out of tight tighten skin. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they had a very strange yet and is collected enough of it you guys stand there and as your danger falls off a little bit and then so basically they come up with a plan. They're like, hey if Any can get hard why can't hear and get hard and so yeah, and I thought yeasty banquet. I like him stupid. So yeah, they're Darren and he's like obsessed with a filling a hole or something. I like the factory dissolved like Cults. They were back to the comedic sense that yeah when it's all about, you know, there's a new hole. We don't know where it is yet, but hopefully there's convenient size rock climbing. Yeah. This is like yeah is it was a convenient slide from last time? So if you want me for some reason it makes me laugh like every time like Aaron's like we got to plug that hole by our plan is but we don't know how the the holes tighten skin becoming more words, but we're just the errand in the hole has one wins. Yeah, so they get to homework statistics and Guy Season the refugee. He's coming in from outside of the wall. And he's very very shocked and he says basically I made up my mind. I'm not going to tell you what's going on, but there's someone in the survey equal to 10 and yeah, it's basically a lot of like learning stuff going on and he turns out to be Crystal and it's really weird. So they try to like Draw It Out by not saying her name specifically, but then she has a secret name. So like if they would have just said his Storia instead, you know, like everybody would be like, who's that instead? They just don't say the name and then armin's like yeah. She's the real short blond cute girl. And once was if you need anything, oh, yeah, then how ingenious like your mirror because remember the talking tighten that was saying you mirror. Yes that blew my mind at the end of all this. Yeah. So, yes, so you're here. I'll get out. sending it with its Inception about her something but hiding her southern accent accent and there's always a kind of picks on everyone you think one of our big cities and Yeah, so she's basically like this time back and guy who's in charge of nervous. There's like no. No, I need you to encases a messenger and they end up basically on this mission to see where the edges and then we jump over to Connie. Who is our house? Who took a very interesting and it's being destroyed and there's even a Titan is lying on the roof of this house looking and yeah, but there's not a lot of jobs or any human remainder. So everyone's be like what the hell why is it like most of all go away the vein noses issues because there's all the horses and also know the fighting's not really perform arms and legs really? Obviously still pops it's too deep. We're talking the very interesting concept, you know, occasionally types and let's go wrong. But yeah, they like, how did we get here? And how did land and yeah, it's really yeah and even stranger as they're leaving. The Titan seems to tell Connie welcome home. Yeah, that's that's really weird. Well and then skipping all of your bit clearer later on says it really is like my mom. Yeah, and then at that point, he said it sounded like his mom. Yeah that my brain speaking over. You know, I've certainly the fans here is the Riders like no. No, you're crazy like it you're hearing things whatever it's that's not it. Guess we didn't go now that I've read this chapter and I see what happens at the end of the arc. You know, we're always assuming you've all read everything that's going on here. So obviously it right up Ryder says just ignore you just it's like oh, yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Whoo. Hey, mr. White you you Reiner, but also he's got you know, like split personality. So you don't know if he's actually trying to make him feel better in that scene or if he's trying to manipulate it. So we do you mean he doesn't It's got a split personality, but that makes sense. So yes, I hate that Ryan a basin just feels funny to ignore it. Let's get on with the job because yeah Humanities the safety and we get a few little things where people just like it's really not many tightened around stirring. There should be a whole world. Everyone's a bit suspicious. Yeah, there are very many titles and it's follow a group whose some searching along the wall. There's two groups, isn't it? There's like one coming from one way in One Direction. Yep, and we get to see this really got seen at night. I love the bit where he just like God. There's like I can barely see five feet in front and they can achieve compliance waiting out in the darkness. That is this hangout seen all these things around here. This is imaginate just his imagination. I really like that panel. That's great. And yeah, they don't see it. Right instead the captain's more people also the gel so they run under the group that Kristen your mirror with Yeah, so basically they vocal ones come from the east on come from the West like both going along the side of the wall looking for where this hole is and there's no hole there's no hole in creepy Castle I love this peril The one guy just goes is that a ruined castle like this? Like they just randomly find a castle with their just like what's a castle doing here? Yeah. Well, it wasn't really a directions. Yeah, and so like it when they get there like one person notes like huh? Someone's been here recently. Oh, yeah, if they find some Christ they ran out following incidents. Maybe this was like maybe this was amazing and it's in a the food has like labels that are in a language that for some reason your mirror can understand but is clearly not whatever their common tonga's I think yeah, I read that sign, but also I didn't really talk to people. So they say yes, and this is the point where Connie says the kind of thing. You're going with me at my mom and then again Rhino says Hey and even Krista she's like good evening adage that breaking a sweat. Okay. Do you remember the time that we had was a tired Oh you mean you're sorry you mean? Yeah you me. It's something like that. Most important has it that she's like, how could you how could your mom be a Titan? You're so tiny. Yeah, and in this bit where they find she's digging around you find some hearings beautiful house hearings. And and yeah, yeah, he points out that she didn't really read it and then suddenly the alarm goes up is a part of the Titans are side. You can pick those giant back now. I was wondering about this visits. It's obvious. I think it's the same one. I think he just did get killed because like his how yeah, he wouldn't send me a PM regenerates because I think you actually see him after that like attacking. Sniffy and yeah it all the old gang seed bigger the big hairy beasts item and oh, yeah this theory is there's a pregnant smashing into the other would size up breaking included those below here and the base Titan. We see him climbing the wall in the distance. Yeah. He climbs the wall. So it sits on top of there and I guess a lot of you of us don't and this is where we run into your favorite tightened around. this area I was it now that that me very much. Yeah, I know. Oh no, hang on hold is healing stones are skipped ahead because I think we see Zoe Hadji saying that they're going to get castle Yeah. She's saying this is our destination. They didn't go to this Castle will be able to view the warden that because they're looking for Krista. Yeah, that is And some came again. I don't know. So yeah, there's area and everyone going me. Oh, yeah, then there's a week answer in that way. I do about it. Oh, yes. Yes. It's a preview saying like next time it's gonna be like a dancing episode. Yes, yes, here we go. You're my favorite. Musical yeah, he's going around back and there's like one sighting attacking another cycle. Yeah, he's like laughing. His fingers are in his mouth. I don't know what's happening. It is a really joyful. But yeah, it sounds strange something you're watching the beginning. Hope it's of the type of sites and I said about really concentrate only on humans and it There seems to be a lot of as it goes up random tightening. Yeah, I don't know. I think they're just kind of like Mindless and yeah, I really haven't maybe he's got like he ate someone he's like trying to pull him out of his mouth to eat him. I don't know. Yeah, we're basically end up in a situation where there are a couple of Versailles can breaking into the lower part of God. And so they sink down the unarmed Knees directly care of that while the actual survey course, we've got there bdx engine for around killing of the biggest items and yet we treat you to a nice big battle lots of stuff happening. This lost items die. They fire a cannon at bison they are Ryan is the one is they say that he'll eating to be really fit Fearless. You just goes ahead open born. It's tight in there. She blows. So yeah. Yeah, and then we get something that you may not have realized was like a flashback at the time you might have skipped over it but he gets a flashback to yes. I don't usually wondered why is it so glad you're happy. It is Reiner when he was a kid that yeah. It's like see that house. It's Reiner bertold and someone named Marcel. They named him in this somewhere and Marcel is getting eaten by what appears to. Be you mirrors Titan, which we haven't seen yet, but we do with them the whole time about splitting energy. Everyone should have it. Yes, so you kind of weird flashback and wine owns adult child comes over to help and advice on this tighten. This is where our hometown and then they barricaded door and then Connie in the game come along just with a joint Cannon out of nowhere just rolled down the stairs. She came to the door of the Titan and basically crushed beneath it. Then another type comes through why it's wine on the arm. He basins picks up tries to throw it out the window. He has to cut its jaw open and your mirror. Exit yeah. Yeah. I like how you're related Rino. Did ya hear me just like she has also been down on it's like Boathouse. Is it in the face and look how Reiner just like blocks it bite with his arm and then picks it up. Yeah. He's like, yeah any questions thoughts do I help him out? And he isn't she she's all I've got it dirty clocks. It's part of the dress of these. Staring and no, I'm great with these heavyweight marriage. I think I've got like a boo-boo, too. Yep, so they continue to fight and then the hookah is the whole so let us the Beast home from the war had to be start these signs of growing things and it causes to of the server corpse guys and soft things Direction die and then multiple sightings start attacking and this is around when we get Teen Titan. There's this Titan That they take down and easily holding onto part of the Tower and he just goes like spread eagle eyes Has Fallen. Yeah, and then so in order to save them in this dire situation you Mia has a big thing, which is a flashback of Christopher says remember remember what we promised I'll tell you my deepest darkest secret. I'll let you know that if you tell me your real name, well what and then so she jumps off buildings takes Connie's life. It's part of the hand and turned into a huge fight. A really ugly Titan. Yeah, he fucked you fuck. Yeah, so before she does that there's a funny ish scene. I don't know if it's funny but we see one of the guys who was like killing all the people like one of the non new recruits. He's like the one that's been wanting to have a drink the whole time. Yes, and he ends up swinging into the building and he's like, I'll fight like finally he knows he's going to die, but he's like at least I get this drink, but I'm pretty sure it's the bottle that Krista used on Reiner. Yeah, it's exactly that it's idea. Yeah as I could just pull you guys going out not one bloody great goes out chin widest area. It's like the entire bottle. I didn't knew she had and that's when we get less time than Krishna and yeah, well she's carrying system. Eat more foods that has helped and then yet. This just comes big science and starts getting started. And I think at some point things start going not so great. And you mere she like basically tries to topple the tower on top of all the Titans and to me is probably not the toppings Eiffel Tower and increase has going saying I'm such a pussy. Yeah. And so she she knows our so there's an interesting bit when she jumps up there to try to get everyone to like climb onto her in the background. You can see were told about to like bite his hand like he's going to transform. Oh, really? Yeah, that's a really cool like hint now. You just were in the exploded mind you I don't think we're all right. I'll go back to the past. Yeah, it's girl. Mine's been so slow for loads on it you think so. Yeah, then like they jump down from the tower on you. Here and you mirror starts fighting them again and here comes Mikasa to save the day because you mirrors getting eaten. Yes, I'll get on the SS using and yeah, so that is because it kills everyone but I mean, there's other people helping the man you are and gets his first official kill, you know, as not a time there he comes in and kills of it doesn't need any case told all sigh. Hey mister. Yeah, sorry. So I can kill as an on time. Yep rescue Crystal. Yeah rental and missing an arm and a leg and no internal organs like jelly at 6:00 board. They said yeah, I do. So then we jump back to the wall and here we get some interesting stuff. So Reiner just Breaks down and it's just him bertold and Aaron and he tells Aaron everything. Well, I know it's been difficult with Krista tells everyone that story the story of reason she was one of the royal pain. Yeah, so she's like a bastard. Yeah, she's at a decent shot of the whole side of a something about your family bloodline from find out you later. She never will. So yeah, so yeah, so like you say Ryan and were told basically a renovation just gets a hearing on his own with Bertrand. Okay. Basically I've lost his license and virtual is the classified come with us. We don't have to destroy any more walls. No one else has to die and Aaron's like you know, what? Yeah, it's go by the house and Bert olds also like what and everyone tries to be a boy about it and we treat the flashback where basically Island already worked this all out. He's always telling everyone. Yeah, it's about trolls and and right now but let's not let's not let on the we know it's them will drive an errand. Doesn't want to believe that that's the truth. Yeah, but when they're telling it to any kind of like Optimal and the only one who's paying any attention considering like, you know, Connie did it warn them only one paying any attention. It needs to find a hangs back and then she notices the moment where it looks like it's all gonna turn South and even trying to take Aaron and then she slices he had ASL. She does that when Reiner pulls off his bandage and he's just Canada's are my Tree Hill with steam coming off of it and then my casa comes up and just chops that arm off and a half of birch world's neck. Yeah, she was tryin to tointon one move chop off both their heads Ryan has both hands and virtuals both ends, but he didn't quite manage to do it. And then it's like slice bird trolled through heart and one hand and his neck and then get Reiner through one arm and I say that they both had abilities and bite that hand away over in surgeon to yeah, and so I like Albert old like turns into like a half of a Statin and it's like rib cage is like embedded into the wall like gripping it and I should I see this thing through the injury that he just received his is they mention the fact later on when when like your engine. Thanks your ability to transform into a Titan. Yeah, and I although although like vinyl. You had got so excited very done wrong. I assume with virtual run through the neck now, that's like a military rules. So maybe that's why only half our taxation of yeah, I'm not sure I was thinking it could just be because he's so big like, I don't know if you would want to fully transform on the wall because he probably just fall. Yeah these you but yeah, it's just cool how he's repaying like Indians and some of it is like almost like incident from the wall. Yeah. And and yeah, Aaron just like they feel like you are traitors. I sat there on that bed made last week. I mean I told you about how you told you about how you keep the walls and it fell on my mom when she got eaten by another time. And yeah, so basically we then get treated to a big battle. It's like kind of a big catapult. We are in in the Armored Titan wear the armor Titans clearly more powerful than eren's Titan. Hearings able to use all the moves that anything to basically get the one up on right. So yeah and Aaron's just like thinking to himself. He's like or saying out loud. I'm not sure but he's like, why are you guys so stupid you made so many mistakes. Why did you teach me to fight hand to hand, you know, like you taught me how to fight you why so while that's happening bertold has eaten even you Mir and some random guy. Yep, I wouldn't eat when I saw that our random guys and Senate be a Titan. Well, yeah, it just ate the random guys. Get heavy videos engine. Yeah, let's really confused because I'm like, did he hear and and your mirror because Aaron's down there, isn't he? So it is really weird basically as big fighting. He's like generate heat and it's beginning to come say that when you're when you are Trans means is like this you have like a special power. And yeah, he's wanting to be like basically regenerate loads and loads of hate. No one's going anywhere near and then when it looks like Aaron's just about the wind and the Rhino and get his head off but Trump's falls off the wall. His legs were talking with you like a big explosion. And then when we everyone awaits me explosion, everyone's gone. It's like five hours later. So there's one part. I really think it's funny when Aaron's fighting Reiner. It's a rips off an arm and then they're grappling again. And he's like talking about how he's stronger Reiner stronger than him but he's like, I've got an advantage. I have more arms. It's just a funny thing to say. Yeah, it's time to Target and then And then so next up. They basically they're waiting for some reinforcement forces. So reinforcement so the scouts and Garrison who was saved and I basically try and chase them down, but they've gotta find our Head Start you get on Zoe. So we hunted she's already worked out where they've gone. There's some tourist given time because the Titans something like also eating Ting out human transform type-ins, so they've had to know basically somewhere to rest up until night because some reason when it's nighttime Tyson's unless they sense shut down there. So she plays she says this is where is he where they're going to be they're going to be here. So just go there. So they also have some balls make including our good friends in the very beginning of sacrifices our drunk Garrison got him. Ruin Smith. Is there are so Yep. Yo yo interns up by sudden idea. It's guy from the guy who makes the next item. He's Aaron's mom. Yeah, take care in a way. So he suddenly turns out these like he sits with Mikasa and Armin say, hey, let's go Gary because I can't go back. I can't go back to being a thankless drunk until you guys will back to get white girls want to be effective during the good days. Yeah, so after knowing this we click over to Erin Junia and the chiral and Reiner who are in the Titan Force as we just sit and all sitting up in the trees and the basically waiting Sunset so they can move on and this is this is where we get the thing where it's so are in your Mia both had limbs 7 are both EU but not internal crisis. There is like we're a my arms what's going on? The emir's like don't worry don't have arms either. And the guys just wait Sunset as easily move on, right? So to me two minutes, okay, so we see some Titans relaxing and it's really funny. There's one sitting cross-legged on another one's chest. That's interesting. You just want yeah just lying down on the floor government think so. Yeah, they basically discussion about you know, Ryan is split personality ending here Soldier for the last few years. But also she's a warrior we don't really get what that's all about. They're saying that they can get air in and taken to the hairy hairy beasts like they can go home. Something along those lines and then they convince you near to join us. She's like, okay, I'll come with you guys. Now. I want this. I want the opportunity to take Crystal. Okay, and then they see the survey course coming along. So they start running off Green Forest, you know, they've decided rap gone out and done that we're going to be going out risking pulled out a survey and now I would like to doing surveys and so they start making it through the forest and is there they go come up and then you may start seeing a bit of it saying I'm not going to come with you guys and let you let me take Christa was Christians come along and so basically turns into advisor and then sits on a tree waiting for and I like the fact the caller he even stands on the head and go. Hey Christie, give me out here to tell me honey. Listen to me by keeping her in the head. He's just standing there holding on this tree waiting at a and as Christus live by gee. Thanks. Bye swallows her and then flies on this question, but that monkey boo Yong will to run away from them. They all jump on the Riders back. He said he jumps down thousands of yards on the Titan the outside, of course everyone jumps any packs and it's virtual who's got Aaron tightened back and you Mia who's got Christian a mouth or jump on his back and he just runs off into the distance with lots of Titans survey called kolonaki and then I like how like Mikasa Aaron maybe Connie. I can't remember who I was there. A lot of them catch up to them. They're just having a conversation while they're all like all running. Everyone's on bertold know everyone's on Riders back having a conversation, but I was there were having like a greedy myself. So yes, they start running around about just so you know, I'm going to start working because my audio muted out for a second and let's go to go back to work. Yeah. We can continue the conversations. I love my do I love my new post else raising and black is so much fun. Right? Let's kill my stomach camera for the man with the right. So yes, so there will be final. So yeah, everyone's chasing them down there having a nice little heart-to-heart conversation on the back of this little defective Reiner and then and then and then Irwin has been Steve. During a whole shit ton of Titans like regular Titans at them. Okay. I don't I think Mikasa swoops in and saves Aaron to all of the Titans. Yeah. Yeah, the cost is he's swooping and she's trying to say there and she's not really getting very far because Ryan up his hands around his kids and all struggling with Ryan there. Anyway covered in armor. And then we get Commander Irwin comes from the other direction. We're like 20 or 20 Titans following him. It's like hey, this is my idea. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go throw 20 titles at the Armored Titan the see what happens. So he manages to get all these Titans to patent and that I think is pinning it down to the ground to the point where he can't protect the child who's got again ever. Are are instructed back. So he's having to take his arms off and start swinging try and fight. All these titles that are attacking in which to is effectively for rowing tightens. The survey corps. Yeah that comes in the second Innings survey course been jumping taking their moment while he's distracted to try and rescue him and then they managed to get Krista. Or Historia recycling their story. Yeah, I should have some become the namely call by. Yeah, it was kind of hard for me to refer to her as Krista because I'm so used to calling her his story. Oh, yeah. Okay. So yeah, so she is so she manages to find it doesn't want to escape because although she want really sure as to UNI is motives like this because it's this is the point where she just suddenly reveals the fact that Because we don't know we don't know much about Junia suddenly like being a Titan who I think about the story that he gives us is that apparently she was wandering around outside 60 years before she turned into him, but it was the moment that virtual turned into a Colossus tighten and smash the wall at the very beginning of the series. She awoken as a human. So what happened is she eight Bert Awards and Reiner's friend Marcel. As a Mindless Titan and that's when she became a human sometime around then. Okay, so we'll meet outside something being myself and very normal, but she was a Mindless time to make sense. Yeah. I thought that's like story fighting again. So yeah, so that's kind of personally, but apparently Because you stole that hours becomes these heightened. She's in trouble. Who do the other being a beginner? Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit of a weird combo Louis think that. Yeah, she convinces Krista to be on her side to side which is like, yeah and then Yeah, sure. So Mikasa saves Aaron they're getting away on a horse when the Armored Titan throw something that like knocks her horse down and then the dud here comes the Titan that killed Aaron's mom. And mr. Haines has highness the the drunk guy. He's like now's my chance and then he's dead in the anime. They actually show him fighting the Titan. Yeah and Frank you just see half of his body. Yeah, you just see as he is. He's just like out that these aunt's house. Yeah, and this is just in trail Street entrails. He's like, I'm gonna kill it. Now's my chance. And so Aaron has a flashback to a On being like hey, why don't you ever protect Mikasa for once and then is let my casa take these ropes off me. I'm going to do it and then he just launches that Titan in the hand. Yeah, he kind of meets the types of bloat blood and then other Titans just suddenly turned start tacking and yeah, and then we based then he basically end up doing the same thing. He's like the shout certainly armored Titan Old Times turn around start taking the other side. There is this white but does agree not going on but Rhino says know Aaron's the worst person possible to have the coordinates. So yeah. Yeah, it's actually the second time you've mentioned in the chapter. We forgot to mention earlier. Yeah. Yeah on that note. I'm going to get a little okay. I'm about to get eaten by. All right. I'm going to send you some questions they answer. Then I'll throw it in right here and solve it. But later on guys lovely talking to you and yeah on this one we doing everything on the fly, but I better be So yeah, I'll just go ahead and close out the episode. Sorry. That was so rushed. Yeah, but anyways, so you can find us at coordinate part. I think yes, that's it on Twitter. Yeah, that's about it. I'm going to be in might be already out. I'm going to be on an episode of the anime shelf talking about the first season of Attack on Titan. So check that out. I'll put a link in the description when For the happens if it comes out before this, it'll be there already. So yeah until next time. I'm Tyler that was Bill. We'll see you next time. Keep coordinate potting. I don't know. We don't do we have a closed off bills. Just been getting eaten lately. So bye. Hey guys, it's Bill. And I'm back. Yes, so apologies for the early exit to make but you know, I'm on a tight schedule at work these days. I can't go over and yeah, these have been some big chapters recently. So I didn't have a didn't have enough time to unfortunate for it's nearly got there. We nearly got there. So yes Tyler has asked me a few questions. Number one. What the heck is the coordinate? Okay, so I did want to go over this actually at the end of the episode but again like run ads on. So yeah. Obviously Aaron seems to have some sort of ability to control Titans almost pointer at a Target or let's say the coordinate and now head for it because yeah, he pointing them at the one that ate his mum and they all jumped on her and then he pointed it at the one when the other direction and ran off to the Armored Titan. So it was a bit of a hold going on. So it appears like, you know, this is my theory waiting once you've and sentience as a Titan in that sort of way and you become like a shape-shifting title, you know human who can transform and be stuck in the neck of the gross tightening the trolley you kind of like there must be some sort of special powers and different Titans have different say power. So, you know, we've got bertolo who can talk transform into just just drink gang take Beast of a Titan was power comes from its like its huge size. Very slow. Then you get the Armored Titan who's obviously, you know completely covered in armor. So he's very difficult to take down and he seems to have like, you know the sort of a mix Mash of hardening skills as well as being able to do but it keeps our like as a nimble fighter which really suits her sort of stance and then we also get Aaron who has the coordinate who's able to coordinate membrane get items and coordinate brain-dead Titans walking around so that's why I think it is. I think it's some sort of coordinate. Now it says here who is the Beast Titan? So, you know, obviously, it's Jesus now Jackie. So at this point of the game, I would say it's either it seems it seems to me like the way my brain is thinking is it's the series is trying to point us into thinking that maybe it's Aaron's dad. Now God knows what the Beast Titans power is, you know, hey, my powers are very I don't get so cold in the I don't think that's the case but I'm just kind of tired. Yeah, so it kind of I think might be Aaron's dad but I feel like the show is kind of trying to tweak my brain to think that you know, there's so much that happens in the background these things and maybe I'm picking up or something, but maybe I'm also picking up on some misdirection. So this ties in with what's number three, what's up with their Royals? You know, well, it's the same as the Royals in the UK the lives of people. So yeah, obviously the queen is not a lizard, you know, the real queen my queen she's not she's just a really old lady who drove a tanker in the world perspective. And yeah, I think I kind of think that maybe the Beast Titan is the actual king. That's why I guess I seem to think the is this weird thing with Krista having a blood tight and trying to walk being involved in everything. And she's like a good like a bastard child. So she's an illegitimate child of the king. So, you know, she must have some sort of tighten desk blood because yeah, the royal family seemed to hold the secret of the wall the walls full of titans the walls made from Titan excrement. Yeah. Now Tyler did ask did not ask me. What do I think is 2,000 years from now. Looks like a fuse I've got no idea. So 2,000 years from now could be absolutely anything in the state. I'm still gonna go with Jesus. I think in 2000 years from Attack on Titan. Jesus is born he reads the second item is like, hey, let's give you me could be worse. I I'm Erin and and the Titans are the Romans that anyway, do you biblical jokes this don't know why but yes, it's just the two thousand years from now is next. Yes basic Weber is but yes, so that's it Tyler. Hope my questions are okay. And oh no, oh, oh shit. Hi, I'm Evan and I sure enjoyed me some podcasts. Wow this podcast sure is enjoyable at sometimes life has a little bit more Peg down for you than what you thought. Oh, man. Is that a missile? I'm okay. 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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now, let them go but up, but but but but but but but but but hey guys, I'm yeah here alone again here alone and I'm here to talk everything Real Housewives of New York reunions part to it was a really really really great reunions. I'm before I get ahead of myself. I'm Chelsea Star Jones. Duh, yeah, let's just go ahead and Dive Right In the first part of the reunions good chunk of the reunions started with Ramona and I was just going at her all the little lies all the little sneaky things. She did it. She did all season long Leah just Dove right into it. And yeah, it was here for it. But you guys since I am here by myself today. I would really love your support in the chat talk to me lets, you know, give me your opinion on Everything Todd Tinsley is so annoying. I have a little bit I was with you with that for the first two seasons. She was on but now I kind of have a theory about her and I think something that will make her less annoying in the future if she continues to be on the show, but back to Ramona we have Andy said it we're on the Ramona coaster. She's the date monster and we get right into her and her, you know, super flirtation her, you know. Eating guys and her moment with Harry Dubin and they immediately call her out for initially lying about kissing Harry Dubin. And you guys remember the kissed the super sloppy tongue hockey on top of each other make out session that they had apparently was drunk and it had to be drunk to for it to look like that alcohol had to be involved. But yeah, so she denied the kissing of Harry and all the woman called her out on it. We get a Flashback a her say it never happened it did so that's one live Ramona told the season another Y which was a pretty story arc between her and deronda at a certain point and this season was that Gala that they went to that Ramona invited to Rhonda to and she somehow thought. She was sitting at table 61 even though she repeated several times that she was seated. Table 62 with de Renda as you guys all know she ditched her under for a better table. She said and I thought this was great. She may look ageless. I may look ageless but my mind doesn't my mind doesn't look ageless and that didn't translate to her. So she's blaming her old age on the fact that she said at the wrong table and not the fact that she really just seemed like a big opportunist that she wanted to sit at a table with people that we're going to you know, Advance her Social Circle push her social life and instead of her good old pal de Renda who she personally invited and Dorinda wanted to go with John but she told John it's just me and Ramona tonight and she did stir and we also got a little bit more of the back story where I guess the window went up to Ramona was like no you're sitting at this table with me and Ramona still kind of brushed it off and you know, she Half asked owned it like she half-ass gave an apology but majority of it was you know, her old age her not knowing because she forgot because she's so old I mean, I just think it's convenient for her like she she really is using this age card to her advantage and disadvantage like whenever she wants it looks so good and I'm so much older and blah blah and then when it's like to deflect something that she did wrong. It's You know, it's my age. It's my age. And I mean, I love Ramona. I think Ramona is reality TV gold but there's just some moments when you really just need to be a little bit more accountable for your actions. I mean and you're caught like red-handed on television. So I I think that she really needed to own up to that. And so that was her second why that we talked about and her third lie that got brought up was when she she was talking. Our friends at that same Gallaher off-camera friends not the housewives about her birthday celebration and her friend said should we invite some of your other friends? Some of the other girls should specifically should we invite Sonja and she says no right off the bat. No, do not invite Sonia and Sonia was pissed off and I would have been too like that's you know, and and so Ramona's reasoning for it was because she didn't want the cameras to be there. She felt as she invited the other Housewives then that would have given the crew the green light to come to her birthday party. And so Sonia reacted and I think a really normal way, you know, like so my your TV friend now like are we not real friends and I would have had the exact same reaction. I would have felt the exact same way. I didn't think it was cool. And Ramona didn't really seem to understand how that would hurt and I'm I guess you kind of did kind of say like yeah, that would hurt my feelings too. But she still didn't back down from it. And one of the best parts of it her Ramona isms, you know, I did I can't break the third line on TV, which for any of you television folks out there or theater or whatever. It's the fourth wall. And so if you don't know what she meant by that she's saying she can't break the fourth wall. So she can't talk to camera. She can't you know act as if the cameras are following them around and that This is like a big production. She has to be very real within it so she felt like her telling her friend. No was her not breaking the fourth wall when reality she just didn't want cameras there. And yeah, I call BS on that. She was broadcasting it all over social media. She was very much voice dressed and very much and you know having the public eye and to her private moment. So I side with Sonia on this matter. I think I side with everyone. For Ramona on all the lies that she told this season. She really did not win the friend award this season. She really did not support other women. Um, but I just yeah, I think she could definitely do a better job at being a better friend to the women being more trustworthy and just owning up to the mistakes that she makes not these half-ass apologies. Not these oh, it's this and not that like, Is really being forthright and just like this is what it is. I am sorry and I shouldn't have acted that way. I think the woman would definitely respond to that more and not just say sorry, but because she's so sorry a lot not just say sorry, but Act differently afterwards, you know because an apology doesn't really go that far if you don't change your behavior and we haven't seen her change her behavior. I mean, they did a nice little Montage of her at past reunions where she says, you know, I'm going to be better. I'm going to be different and to be XY and z and we're still getting that same Ramona that just says whatever she wants that, you know, kind of backstabs our friend social climber. So, let's see if moving forward we could get a Ramona that actually Means these apologies and then we move on to Ramona and Bethenny. You know this season, I really enjoyed especially the back half of the Season Ramona and Bethenny is relationship. They really seem to have had some type of breakthrough with one another whether it was talking about how they were raised or just this Mutual disliking of Luann and on her Power Trip, whatever it was. They really seem to have a good time with one another they laughed and I enjoyed that I thought that was fun, but early on in the season we saw Ramon. Say something extremely nasty and extremely dirty about Dennis. And if you don't remember comment, she you know how it was saying after I um, I think they're in the Hamptons and I was off to the Lobster the Clambake, you know, how can he be smart when he was on drugs and Bethenny wasn't there she wasn't around for it. And as soon as we're going to set it she realized like a I shouldn't have said that like she definitely was like, oh that was a mistake. I'm very sorry. Apparently. She called Bethany right after lighter than very next day and apologized. For it, but you know it was it was rough seeing and Bethany was actually she was very hurt by it. Obviously, I'm really let Ramona have it but to remote and Ramona's defense she was saying, you know, you're very hard for me to approach and you're very, you know, she's in her own words. You're very hot and cold with me and that's why she wasn't really present with Bethany like come up to her and give her condolences. Because she didn't know what kind of Bethenny she was going to get and I actually agree with her on that I think so because the relationship has been so up and down and so tumultuous like I could see how her going up to Bethany can be very scary especially even even if it is her saying like I'm very sorry for your loss like maybe Bethany might misconstrue it and some type of way or think or whatever so I could see how Ramona would be threatened and a little bit intimidated by going up to Bethany. Should she had done it anyways? Yeah, but I see why she did I I totally understand why it's a hard thing to do and it's very sensitive and you want to and I'm sure she was coming from a genuine or she would have come from a genuine place if she were to approach her back then and say sorry, but I could see where you'd be nervous that maybe Bethany may not receive it as genuine. So I do understand where she was coming from with that. She one. She did say though. That was just like come on Ramona. Like he really she you know, I'm surprised Bravo even brought it up like that Bravo aired her nasty comment about Dennis and it's just like they are everyone's Dirty Laundry like no one's safe. Like, of course, they're going to show you saying something so outrageous because one it makes good TV and to be like Bethenny said like you're not, you know immune to any scrutiny like you're gonna get Everything that you put out there everyday thing you see on camera is subject to being put on TV like and so you have to kind of just realize like you're not, you know, you're not God like you're not above anybody. You said a nasty thing and it's going to air on television like and I think that's something that I'm being on reality TV and realizing like you hot like everything you say has a chance to be put out there and that could definitely change people's perspective how they think about you. So I I thought that was a really Like silly thing for her to say and I did not think you know, that was that was right. Let's see what you guys have to say and the chat Deborah Randall Ramona half-assed everything including her remarks about Dennis. Yeah. She did. She sure didn't mind sharing the photo Luann last year to the world. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes one. Yeah. She is see a Ramona just yeah, Ramona will never change. She really just isn't that so Self aware. Oh Ramona Bethenny are the same Todd. I'm curious as to why you think that they're the same and nature just very aggressive or the same as in they came up the same and so they're both kind of I feel like they both can have this wall up and they just repeal things and kind of just throw things back on to other people so that they don't have to deal with their inner feelings. Maybe is that maybe what you think? I don't know before we continue. The ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download Load the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. But yeah, so I think I love Ramona. I think she's great for television. I think she's hilarious. I do think she's really kind at heart and they lightly touch on the cringe-worthy but successful charity event New York loves kids event, which was when Ramona was going up and giving that speech and Orinda jumped in. I thought dorinda's was in the wrong with this one. It was still regardless. It was the most uncomfortable seen ever but according to Ramona was very successful. So I guess the crunch worthiness was worth it before I move on to tensley guys. I just want to go ahead and give a major shout out to everyone that's hanging out in the shop and the chat with me. I appreciate you guys and I appreciate the AfterBuzz TV community. And this platform that we have to be able to talk about our favorite shows and I just want to urge you guys to go ahead and subscribe to the channel. If you haven't already give it a thumbs up. Give me some feedback. I'd really appreciate some nice constructive feedback and give us five stars rate US and all that good stuff. So yeah AfterBuzz has been a lot of fun for me. I really enjoy coming in here and talking about the Real Housewives of New York and New Jersey and you know doing Bravo bitch with lien. So yeah, just continue to support this community and will try to continue. To give you great content. So moving on to our girl Tinsley Todd I am I'm with you to an extent about tensley up until this season. I was super done with her. I thought she was boring. I thought she was not very interesting. I thought she really fell flat. But this season I saw more from her and even in this reunions, like I think she's still brought it. So let's dive in the big thing about tensley. The season was her not being so transparent with the woman and her you know, if she was Scott is she not with Scott where she getting her money from I could see how that could be a very frustrating thing to deal with like someone talking to you about money and like how you got it how you earned it where it's coming from like get out my business. It's not your business. I don't ask you about your money. You shouldn't be asking me about mine. So I understand her frustration with it. I don't think the woman so much care about where she's getting her money from as much as they care about her being transparent and honest with them and this friendship that they have and I put friendship in air quotes just because I mean she a lot of the reasons why these franchises work is because there are organic relationships and friendships with one. Another Hensley is a friend of Sonia and I don't know how close they were friends. And so she was just really thrown into this group with no really strong ties to anybody. So she's has to work on these friendships. And in order for her to work on these friendships. She really needs to be a little bit more vulnerable with the woman and in turn I think her being more vulnerable will allow the audience to like her more and I think that's why I kind of Droid her the season was because she was like letting down a wall slightly. But yeah, so when she's talking about money everyone's was he no smirking rolling their eyes not really believing anything that she had to say. She was talking about, you know, where she comes from. She she has family in the South and and I mean it makes sense though. She grew up in a very wealthy Southern family like, okay. Yeah, that's probably where she gets her money from but no one really seemed to be buying it. They also claimed that I didn't really live in New York, which I wish they'd dug into a little bit deeper saying that she lives in Palm Beach still and and her recollection of everything in her current living situation also seemed a little bit fuzzy. So I do wish that Andy kind of pressed that a little bit because it kind of was glanced over and then she was talking about her family and how she gets her money. I thought this was interesting and again, I understand her point and being like why do I even have to explain this to begin with? But yeah, you don't work you did just get out of jail couple years ago. And now you're living in New York and you're you know, living a really nice comfortable lifestyle and you did have a rich boyfriend, but you're still living this Rich comfortable lifestyle. Like how is this happening? So she explains that after she got arrested her Family Trust went down and they kind of not cut her off completely but started giving her less and less money, so At the beginning of this when she first got on the show, she wasn't learning but getting as much money from her trust her family. Wanted to see how she could bounce back from the arrest and you know re-acclimate to society and she started to do well so the family started give her more and more money which is why she's still received nice and nice things even after her relationship with Scott ended so that made a lot of sense and the woman seems fully satisfied with that reasoning but at the same time like it's just it's not Business but Tinsley does need to open up a little bit more. Um, she does need to share her life a little bit more and not was a lot of what dorinda's point was where it's just like, I don't really know you we're on the show together we filmed together and we you know, we can laugh and have it, you know an okay time with one another but at the end of the day it's a surface level conversation. It's a surface level relationship and we need to know a little bit more about you. I think if she lets the other woman in will get to see a little bit more of who she She is and enjoy her more. I mean, that's that's that's kind of what I think I think that if we just saw a little bit more of her we and we got we got a little bit more of a back story with her father passing away in alcoholism the season which I thought like humanized her and away and we saw her relationship with Scott and and whatnot. So, I think I think that did help her become a little bit more likeable. I don't know if I would I definitely wouldn't be sad if they were placed her next season, but I Hope if she does come back that she gives us a little bit more. I want to know a lot more about her. I want to know what she's doing in her professional life if she's even doing anything at all. Like I just I feel like I just don't I feel like I don't know her and I watch the show. But yeah, so then we move on to actually I thought this was interesting and I am kind of curious about what you guys think in the chat about what Bethenny had to say. Tinsley is not you know, Bethenny said earlier. Are the season that Tinsley holds woman back a hundred year brings women women back a hundred years. And when Andy asks her to further elaborate on it, she says Tinsley is not an example of female empowerment in my opinion. She doesn't live in the real world Andy and and kind of goes on to try to explain it where it's like she grew up in the South she grew up in a very debutante why she grew up in and the quote unquote traditional way of like a man providing in a woman kind of just going along what Do you guys feel like that is kind of where she gets it from or do you even think that that's an excuse Bethany kind of just try to dismiss it as not being a reason as to why she should be that way. Like don't blame it on the South but I kind of agree with what Andy had to say where it's like where she grew up who she is and and all those things kind of a tribute to her needing Scott to marry her needing a man to have a family like all those things. Really I think Is what ties her into who she is and I do think that has to do with being from the south. I think that's a very different lifestyle from being a very independent rough and tough New York woman. Like I think I think there's a contrast I'm I'm curious to think what you guys believe and then I just a little I don't even know if it's funny. It was very rude a piece of footage that we didn't see where Ramona was kind of taunting tensley. On her looks and saying that she needs to wear less makeup saying that she looks old for her age and that Ramona herself looks young for her age because she doesn't wear as much makeup me personally. I don't really care to wear makeup that much. I'm not wearing any makeup right now. I mostly because I just don't like to wash it off. I get really lazy when it comes to that. So for me, it's not my thing tensley. It's her thing. She enjoys it. She likes it. So I don't think it's really fair to like get on somebody for their you know makeup preference. I do think she's a naturally pretty girl. I don't think she needs to be so heavy with the eyes. But if that's how she enjoys to look and live her life, then I don't think you should talk to somebody and say that that makes them look old. I thought that was really mean and cold of Ramona and I love that Tinsley responded very sharply with you know, what you're being a bitch so I was here for that. Bethany is right about tensley Bethany is not the know-it-all on female empowerment and relation to Southern Living says Ashby 3 1-3, you do believe that Tinsley shares and could share more but the other women are jealous. Okay. I don't necessarily see where the jealousy may stem from but I don't know. Let's see tensley's makeup is fine. Deborah likes that Tinsley looks about 25 I mean she definitely she's the youngest on the couch and she looks the youngest in the cast. So I don't think her makeup ages her I just you know, and it makes her happy like however you want to look as a woman or as a man or however like that should be you should be okay with that and no one should tell you otherwise and I think Ramona really needed like back off on that and I was really happy that typically stood up for herself in that moment, um moving on to our girl Luann and her sobriety which I don't know. I another question for you guys in the chat. Do you think that Luann is taking her sobriety seriously because the woman on the couch don't seem to think so. I mean, I don't know particularly if she is taking it seriously or not. I have found it very interesting the things that they called into question regarding her rehab stents how long she stayed how long she didn't stay the access that she had I found all that to be very interesting. I think that Luann says, you know, she doesn't like to talk about her sobriety because she doesn't want to be a Debbie Downer. I I think she has a Debbie Downer whether she talks about it or not. The way that she kind of Judges The Other Woman for drinking even throwing like a little job at Ramona for like okay Miss Pinot Grigio, like who gives a flying whatever like she could drink she doesn't have a problem with drinking. Didn't get arrested due to drinking like so why are you judging her coming out her saying whatever her preference of beverages? Like it was listening to a podcast. Like I was listening to stassi Schroeder has podcast and she had LOL account on and Lala. I don't know if you guys any of you watch Vanderpump Rules, but Lala from Vanderpump Rules recently decided to be sober. She's been sober for about like ten months or something like that and it was her own decision if it wasn't like court-mandated or anything like that and you know when she doesn't drink On the show. She's not bringing anyone else down. She's not judging anybody for drinking and how drunk they are and their behavior or whatever and I find that Luann does that and it's really embarrassed below and I don't even like the argument of her saying like you guys drink in front of me and the system at and it's like what else are they supposed to do? I'm sorry the show is about women and their friendships and the relationships with one another and if it's supposed to be authentic and it's supposed to be real if they drink then why are they not going to drink? Because Lily Anne's there and the wind has said I don't like you guys go ahead and drink go ahead and do you or whatever so for her to be like, well, you bought a wine glass into my room and he came to talk to me. Like you said, you don't have any problem with us drinking around you so why is it now like that you do and I don't I think that also when you're in a show situation like this reality TV, like any reality TV show unless it's about sobriety involves. Alcohol alcohol dries the storyline alcohol raises people's emotions alcohol intensifies things, you know alcohol is going to be involved. So if you're Luann and you know that you're on this sobriety Journey, which is currently in dated which is why she probably doesn't take it very seriously because I don't think she really wants to be sober. I think she's just doing this because she has to be sober if you know that drinking is going to be involved why haven't put yourself in the situation to be On the first place, you know, the women are not going to stop drinking The Producers would hate it if they weren't drinking because that's where all the interesting tidbits come from. That's where the funny moments come from. That's what we love the most is when they're drunk and silly and whatever like that's where you get people just flight saying things like flying off their chest because they're not thinking because it had a little bit too much to drink that's you know, so it's like, you know that this comes with the environment of the show, and if it's not in your best interest in your breast health and why I even signed back up take a year off Off. I don't know. I like I just I can't buy into this whole like you're drinking around me how rude I feel bad for Luanne because they're having a drink. It's like then she shouldn't be there like she just should have be there and how many other women are there, six whatever one two, three, four, five five other women just like I don't know. I don't buy into that like and I think it's her way of like having an excuse for this behavior, and I'm not into it. I really liked it. I haven't been a big Lou supporter since a long time. So I just I'm not really into it. She failed on Easter Sunday after drinking two mimosas shortly after the reunions was tape. She had to go to court for that failed. What is it blowing into the DUI thinking or whatever so she had to go to court for it. They did detain her and they did tighten the terms of her probation. So So she was up recently on Watch What Happens and her probation ends next month? But yeah, I and I don't know. She really is an alcoholic. I don't know that I don't know. She said she was self-medicating and I do think though that if the court in her probation told her not to drink anymore or they excuse me didn't tell her not to drink anymore. I don't think she would be like I think the only reason why she's not drinking as because it's in the terms of her probation. So I think that's why she's having a hard time and that's what we're hearing rumors of her like still drinking Ramona's accusing her of still drinking like because I don't think she truly wants to not drink, you know, like I don't think she takes it. She doesn't see her her drinking as really a big issue, which it may not be but and the terms of her probation right now. She needs to take it a little bit more seriously if she, you know doesn't want to be a probation. So much longer or go back to jail. Um, so that was the gist of the reunions. I actually thought this reunions part 2 was a lot more interesting than part 1 let me see unmuzzled says Luann takes herself and her Freedom. Seriously. I think she's ambivalent about sobriety. Okay. Thank you for the shout out. Your welcome. I believe the jealousy a regarding Tinsley from The Other Woman is in relation to Tinsley's access to money. Estonia seems jealous of the money aspect of his life. Okay, I think that's interesting because even I was doing Bravo bitch with with lien a couple weeks ago. We had that clip out if you guys saw of Kelly Kelly Dodd of Real Housewives of Orange County posted it on her Instagram story and Sonja and tensely were, you know drunk after the pride parade going at each other about the same thing about the townhouse and intensely not being grateful and all those things, so, I don't know if If necessarily sonja's jealous of the money, but I do think she just maybe she felt taken advantage of in a way. I don't know what it was, but I do think Sony intensely. Do you have a weird weird relationship and they really haven't gotten past the the living situation and how how Sonia felt slighted and all that stuff. So I do agree with you to an extent Ashby 3 1-3 regarding Tinsley and and and so on. This relationship. I do think it's a little bit weird. I do think it's not. Yeah, I find it to be a strange relationship. But yeah guys, let's go ahead and we'll be drinking a soon. Okay, Deborah Randall Luann will be drinking as soon as her probation ends. She said last year it was okay for the ladies to drink in her presence if it's a problem, maybe she needed to sit the season I see that's where my that's where my Stant like, that's my stance. I just I don't think that you can yeah, like just chill out for a season or just don't go I'm like, I don't know whatever he was moving on to news and gossip. So speaking of Lou there's rumors that she may or may not return next season there's you know, there's always talks about that the cast is going to shake up regarding any franchise after the season so someone tweeted to her, please don't tell me you're leaving and Luan respond responded the Countess isn't going anywhere anytime soon. So if you believe the report See may think Williams out but her she herself says she's not going anywhere soon. There hasn't been anything official from Bravo saying if she is gone or she isn't so this is all just you know speculation. I think Bravo really likes the waiting period between Seasons to like kind of drum up, you know who's coming back because not just the buzz, but of course sticking with our girl Lou she really keeps herself in the news. I will say that about Lily and she really she really does. Does make herself relevant Leon was recently on Watch What Happens live with t DJ Pauly D. Just last week actually and they are planning to release a remix a fan and Giovanni. I think I sing it wrong. But whatever. She said we're still talking about it and working it out. She told page six, but with DJ's I like to hear their own version of how they would remix the song. We'll see what he comes up with the pair met like I said on watch. Happens live with Andy Cohen last Thursday night and discuss collaborating a new dance track, you know and DJ Pauly D. I if you guys don't know he's from Jersey Shore original fist pumping. Um, he said that he really liked the song He said was a feel-good song and he was into it so good for you DJ Pauly D. I think maybe a little bit like house music remix would be a cool touch to fill in Giovanni. Definitely saying it. Wrong that time to um, now I if you guys have been on Facebook or Instagram or any social media channel, you have seen people aging themselves for whatever reason and someone did this. I saw this on Instagram of the Real Housewives of New York if they were a few years older, I think they all look fabulous tensely looks scary just because she looks mean Ramona I actually looks kind of the same. Um, I think the worst maybe Luann and Bethenny because of their necks definitely, you know, you could tell a woman's age by their necks and their hands. So those two look the worst me myself. I didn't do this because I don't believe in stuff like this, but I did think it was funny to see These women aged a little bit Ramona still looks pretty good for already being kind of older. Uh-hum. No shade just saying. Yeah guys. So I think that pretty much covers it all. Let's see if there's anything else you guys have to say in the chat when remote remember season six friends of Housewives. I don't believe two drinks at 10 a.m. Cause her to fail the test at 3 p.m. So you think she drink more than two mimosas. As yeah, I am. So looking forward to wrapping up part 3 with you guys next week. Um, I've been enjoying the season so far with you all but I'll catch you guys next week Talking part 3 of Real Housewives of New York reunions. See you later by our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and were the only destination for all your favorite TV. 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I've decided that I kind of want to take a more investigative turn with my podcasts. And as you guys know probably I always speak about wanting to do documentary and that's what my end goal is with all of this. I really want to create documentaries. So I was like what steps I am I taking right now to do that in the future which by the way is actually a really good question to ask yourself because it's one that between doing all your bits and your real job and you're of job or whatever you do. Sometimes you forget to ask yourself that question. You're like, well, I actually I'm kind of doing nothing. So next season. I'm thinking that all the podcast will be like this. They might not necessarily just be with me but they might be an hour long piece knitted together with loads of different interviews on one topic. So today it is just me and obviously I don't have an expert with me on this but this is more of an opinion piece and just more of a question. I want to put out there and I spoke. This a little bit on my Instagram Stories the other day more on that later, but let's talk about anti-pollution makeup anti-pollution skincare anti-pollution beauty products. So obviously we all know the skin is the largest organ in the body. It is porous and is extremely absorbent. Basically, we are all huge sponges and this is something that we all know but also so the skin is something that a lot of us probably a lot of people listening to this podcast. Anyway spend an absolute fortune on I'm very worried about my skin because I had very very bad cystic acne when I was younger. I went on roaccutane that roaccutane triggered a lot of mental unrest for me. So having clear skin. It was always kind of like well, at least I had clear skin in the end even if I have to go through the all those things so when I get breakouts and when I get Dry patches and when I feel my skin isn't looking its best I do it's something that affects me more than I wish it did. so Yeah, I don't know that was a complete round. But obviously the skin is something we care about so much. We spend a lot of money on preserving it covering it and caring for us. Sorry guys, you obviously just heard the doorbell rang every time I do a podcast the doorbell rings and so yeah and caring for a skin. Yes until recently. I feel like we all haven't stopped to think about what it's absorbing the most of and that isn't our Lush moisturizer and that isn't our Garnier grapefruit juice wash its the air around us and that's quite mad because we are constantly on the streets right now protesting about what is being put into the air around us. What is being put into the water what is being leached into our systems and into our natural resources anti-pollution like skincare and beauty products has kind of come from Asia. That's where most of The product started especially the high-end retailers selling anti-pollution makeup, and obviously there is a reason for that and as we know in a lot of Asian cities people wear masks to suffer and pollution, but that doesn't mean we should be doing the same. I think there's a mad statistic. I have it here. There's 1180 premature deaths in Ireland each year according to a report from the Environmental Protection Agency. In Ireland are air pollution is responsible for that. I said that fact so wrong way Roger. But anyway, but yeah, I saw an anti-pollution makeup in a drugstore or Pharmacy or whatever. It was boots for the first time about a month ago and I saw the word anti-pollution on us and it wasn't a brand I usually use as well and I was like, oh my God, I have to get that. It was my heart actually sank, and it was honestly one of the fastest unplanned purchases. Says I have ever made and that was probably because it was born out of my own insecurities and Eco anxiety. And I just wanted to note in here that like what pollution can do to the skin but it's all stuff. We know anyway, it's completely logical but I just looked it up and checked and researched or whatever but obviously anti-pollution is found to speed up aging and a lot of this is because it depletes the antioxidants in the skin as well as just like filling the in with like chemicals and dersh, etc. Etc. Like that's never going to do good things for your skin. It depletes vitamin E levels and skin obviously vitamin E is used in a lot of anti-aging beauty products anyway, and that's because vitamin E levels help with healing of skin. So it in essence it interferes with the healing of skin. You secrete a higher level of sebum, so Basically, just when you're like greasy or oily and obviously that can be because your pores are blocked and from what is in the air it can decrease squalene, which I think is an antioxidant as well and which causes dry skin and it can decrease cholesterol and elasticity. So it's kind of like the Aging thing again. So basically it can make your skin oily greasy dry aged and weathered which Is like the only things that we talked about affecting our skin, you know, that is like every parallel of skin issues problems and uncomfort that I can think of right now and I like that doesn't surprise me. I feel like that won't surprise you guys either and these aren't like hard and fast facts. These are things we already know but we don't really think about and and as well myself. I live in Dublin. I live in a city and I can only imagine that this More and more prevalent in cities. And as I said air pollution is responsible for what I'm going to say this again. I just think it's smart for an estimated 1180 premature deaths in Ireland each year, which is crazy. Why isn't that fact thrown around at us more? I mean that did take one little Google but I feel like that should be at something that is talked about very very prevalent lie, surely that is huge. And in the same in the same token that I feel like to get us through the day today. We have to kind of pretend and I do this myself that pollution is this far distant thing whether that mean timing like, okay, maybe one day we'll be smog ridden and but not today. Or geographically like oh that's only countries in Asia or that's only countries far away or that only the massive cities in the u.s. That have those pollution problems and it's not and again as someone who struggles with Eco anxiety with worrying about the planet with whirring what's in the air and I completely understand why you don't want to get up on a Monday morning before work and think about these things. I mean, I actually wish and I I said this on my podcast with tires. I said this on my podcast with Lucy sometimes I wish that my brain doesn't work in the panicked paranoid way it does and I didn't think of these things and I didn't ask myself these questions, but I can't help it and I couldn't help doing this podcast because I want to know what other think people think about this too and the other day. I actually did a little bit of a rant about this on my Instagram. And just like anything else when I'm trying to put forward questions about the environment or sustainability not like I'm some Beacon of knowledge on those areas, but just general questions. I did say when I was talking about this. I was like, I mean, I know it's not that deep and what I meant by that really was that I meant I know it's not at the front of everyone's minds but luckily for me. I have an amazing friend Lucinda Graham who messaged me and was like no money this it is that Eep like you need to talk about this because if we're not asking these questions and companies are profiting from pollution. What does that mean? A where does this continue? Where is the aniline and I actually would like to take back the way I said, it's not that deep it is that deep and I feel like we really do have to put forward questions about the ethics of selling anti-pollution products by Massive Beauty corporations. When does profiting from pollution causing harm and death to others around the world while not surprised iding Solutions are AIDS to those worst affected by it? Like when when does that when does that come into play? When do we start to ask if that's okay if that's ethical if it's not do weak hair are these huge Beauty Brands profiting off our insecurities about the global pollution and destruction of our planet Earth. What is the carbon footprint of these companies? And again, does it matter do we care? I don't know. I own one of these foundations as I said again, like I use an anti-pollution Foundation. Regularly, I use it nearly every day. And I don't know if it works or I don't know really how it's supposed to work. And but I'm the perfect person to Market these sorts of products to unless the mud thing. I literally have my hands and my head because I'm like, does that make me dumb or does that make me smart? I don't even know and if you think about it generation said Generation Z, whatever you call this gen Z millennials. The people who are out on the streets week on week protesting outside governments globally about the environment. Like the most socially conscious generations of the moment taking time off school to protest against climate and Justice who are loaded with information about statistics about the Doom of our planet. We seem to realize across the board more than other Generations that the planet is in Dire Straits and that this isn't just affecting people in a far far far away place where we can access and where we don't have to think about every day when we seem to realize now, I feel more than ever that this is affecting us right now and that we need to realize the personal aspect of this if that's what's gonna get us to the next stage and UND if there's makeup popping up on shelves. That's a anti-pollution on them. Surely. We are the target Marcus. So I just think we should talk about this for a minute and I was actually reading a guardian article and I just think it's important to say because I thought this was like a really fascinating thing a representative from a company said it's kind of like the new song cream Which I thought was very very interesting. So I just wanted to say now and if you are looking into anti-pollution makeup if I freaked you out or if you are going to get one. Anyway, I'm with you I'm using one. I can't afford a high-end brand. But if you're looking for for products that are anti-pollution, even if they don't say anti-pollution, you're looking for features such as adding a on antioxidants correcting pH. And moisturizing balancing natural oil levels. And yeah anything that like basically sounds like it's enriching your skin. Obviously, I'm no dermatologist, but that's just what my research today has told me and all of that makes sense to the causes of like pollution affected skin that I listed earlier. So even if your skincare or your foundation or concealer or whatever seems to have all that or some of And it doesn't have the new beauty buzzword that is anti-pollution and it probably is a good anti-pollution products. So don't worry. You don't have to Splash out loads of cash. I just wanted to put some sort of solution in here because I didn't want it to be completely a complete freak out which I know I sound like right now, but I'm just very fascinated with this topic. So as I said before researching this podcast, I read an article by the guardian that I will link in the description and I really hope highly recommend you guys listen to it because it has comments from a lot of reps from a lot of different countries, which I think is very good and a lot of different businesses as well. So one of the most popular new drug store called products and that is listed in this Guardian article, which I'm not going to name, but it's an anti-pollution face mask and apparently everyone is raving about it even reading about it. In this article, I was like, maybe I should get it have I seen this in Boots before and and it's right a very popular skin brand that we all know I guarantee you that you listening to this know and you know what I bet you would be able to guess if you just go to the article that I've Linked In the description know this brand we've all known for years is owned by a family Holdings company and of which the main member of the family is worth an estimated. covid 5.2 billion and dollars by Forbes So all those connections between from the sheet mask to the person who basically owns this company was about for Google links, and I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. But I just wanted to pose the question of do we care that? This has been marketed towards us? From a person like that now I don't know his personal and ethics to do with environment. But I do know that this is a corporation and and corporations are largely responsible for the Dire Straits that we are in right now. Now the guardian article also reminded me of something that I actually noticed myself. I think it was last year or the year before that this line came out but Just had to laugh and I'm just going to Stage the fact and then I'm just going to leave a little silence and have a drink of water. But the guardian article also reminded me that recently Alessandra Steiner who is a really amazing Beauty writer and included a 3-pound. So I was probably like for 55 Euro anti-pollution mask in the Cosmetics line. She did with pennies or Primark. So I'm just going to take a little sip. whoop That's me opening my bottle. Yep. Anyway, there's a few things and I just want to put forward here. This is gonna be a short podcast, but obviously it's a complete front and I thank you for sticking with me. I'm trying not to say sorry anymore. I'm trying to say thank you because about five people this week. I've told me I take say sorry too much. So this could be a sign that you do to say. Thank you instead. So there's a few things. I want to put forward here. After my podcast about cultural branding would see roshani Scanlon definitely check that out. If you haven't already guys, she's absolutely brilliant and I had no idea what cultured branding was and I don't want to try some of it up here, but Daphne go back to the podcast if you're interested and it's completely changed the way in which I see or see through certain advertising whether that be greenwashing whether that be you know to do with race. Under Identity or whatever to try and get customers. My question in this whole podcast, which is genuinely around to know is do we or should we expect certain or specific climate conscious an anti-pollution measures AIDS and Promises to be made by Brahms and corporations if they should be able to profit from pollution itself. I'm going to say that again because I had to write that all down and I just want to read it again and it's just it's the question. I'm asking for this whole podcast. So do we or should we expect certain and specific climate conscious and anti-pollution measures AIDS and Promises to be made by Brands and corporations if they should be able to profit from pollution itself. So by this I mean do we expect eco-friendly packaging as we know we have an insane plastic pollution problem. It's one of the main pollution probable pollution problems that we can see and the engine beauty industry is one of the most monstrous contributors to that plastic pollution problem. So if an anti-pollution Foundation comes in a plastic bottle How do we feel about that? first of all Kind of be recycled. Is it recycled do the companies have plans to make it out of a different material in the future and like is that plastic leaching into the product itself? Like we know some plastic bottles do and plastic is also obviously a material derived from oil and how do we feel like that? if your auntie pollution makeup or your anti-pollution beauty or skincare comes from what is contained in is made from oil and there are probably thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands made of that product. And obviously you are just one single consumer vote, but you have bought that how does that make you feel? Do we have confidence in these corporations and these business this is that the chemicals and materials used to create these anti-pollution beauty products are 100% non-polluting to any communities across the world in any way. I think that is a very good question to ask if I do say so myself is the brand doing any research. Taking measure them measures themselves or helping those who suffer suffer in the areas of pollution globally. I'm going to say that again is the brand doing any research taking measures themselves or helping those who suffer in the worst-affected areas of pollution globally and showed they have to if they're profiting off pollution. I'm the last question, which I think is actually probably the most important question. Can the term anti-pollution be defined or policed in any way or is it just a buzzword? Does it mean anything can we guarantee if something says anti-pollution honest that it is, in fact anti-pollution, what does anti-pollution even mean? Does that mean a protects us from pollution outside? I don't even know. So I completely understand that this podcast is just one big mind fuck but I had to record us it's something that's been weighing on my mind. I've been talking to everyone I know about it in my last podcast I brought up as well. And and as I said I myself I'm using one of these foundations and it was cheap. It did come in a plastic bottle. It did make me extremely aware of my skin absorbing pollute pollutants and actually afterwards I went on a mad Google Rampage when I was supposed to be doing my college work. And about any other products and things I could buy to do the same to rid myself of pollution from my skin the biggest organ in my body. It rattled me. It really really really scared me because I was like, oh surely everything I'm using should be anti-pollution and this is the thing about marketing and consumerism this this is how they want to make us feel. So I'm just asking is that okay or do we expect a certain amount from them in return? And yeah, I just wanted to put a Like this conversation. I'm sure there's lots of conversations going around about this. Anyway, I'll link that Garden I got article in the description and please please please let me know what you guys think about this by mastering me on Instagram, which is moldy parsnips, or you can email me if you like on Molly Parsons podcast at gmail.com, but mostly I would love if you guys could subscribe to this podcast and leave a review because it really really helps me out and let me know if you like this new format as well. And topics that you would like to see in the future and thank you so much for staying with me on that wild rant and I really hope you enjoyed it. Okay, thank you. Oh, I forgot to say thank you to deep up for letting me rant like this on their social media. I'm be for being a platform which is inherently sustainable selling second-hand clothes. I'm providing young people with a chance to make an income and so go too deep after calm or download the depop app on iOS or Android today. I will have my Deepak. Of the week in the description. Thank you. Bye.

The skin is the largest organ in the body, it is extremely porous and absorbent- these are things we all know. Some of us spend fortunes on preserving, covering and caring for our skin- yet until recently haven’t really stopped to think what our skin is absorbing the most of.. the air around us. I recently purchased an “anti-pollution” foundation. I saw the bottle with “Anti-Pollution” in great big red writing my heart sank. It was one of the fastest unplanned purchases I have ever made, and that’s probably because it was born out of my eco anxiety. So basically pollution can make your skin oily, greasy, dry, aged and weathered. Again.. this isn’t surprising… surely we all knew there is dirt and toxins in the air especially in cities. Air pollution is responsible for an estimated 1,180 premature deaths in Ireland each year, according to a new report from the Environmental Protection Agency. There’s just a few things I want to put forward here. After my podcast about cultured branding with Saoirse, the way in which I see/ or see through certain advertising has changed. My question is in this whole podcast (which is genuinely just a rant) do we or should we expect certain and specific climate conscious and anti pollution measures, aids, and promises to be made by brands and corporations if they should be able to profit from pollution itself in any way. This Podcast is sponsored by Depop. My Depop shop of the week is @remass for Y2K staples.

Welcome to Accounting 101 episode 16 closing the books at the end of the period the closing process. If you recall from our episode on the accounting cycle after we prepare our adjusted trial balance and prepare our financial statements. We have to reset all of the temporary accounts to zero for the next accounting period the temporary accounts that we are going to reset to zero or every revenue account every expense account as well as the contribution and distribution accounts with the inequity. If you recall from L re we have a hyphen between our balance sheet accounts. And our income statement accounts today, we are mostly going to be focused on the income statement because this process is how the income statement is reset to zero each year. So every single account on the income statement will be zero when we are done. This process also affects owners distribution and contribution accounts. You may see these accounts called different things based on the type of entity, but I'm trying to be as generic as possible right now because the concept is the same regardless of what the title of the account is owners distribution and contribution accounts are accounts with inequity that track money received from or given to owners as distributions or contributions side note and I don't Get to off topic here, but I do want you to understand that the owners of a company can get money into or out of a company in a variety of different ways. So they can make loans to or from the company. They can take money out in the form of a salary. They can take money out as a management fee Etc. We are talking specifically just about contributions and distributions. The closing process however is more involved with the revenue and expense accounts because there are a lot more of them. To Briefly summarize the closing process. We will Zero out each revenue account each expense account and each owners distribution or contribution accounts by making whatever debit or credit we need to for the ending account balance to be 0 and that debit or credit we make in each revenue account and each expense account will have a corresponding debit or credit for the same amount. To an account called income summary you may see this called income summary clearing account revenue and expense summary profit and loss summary or income and expense summary. It's all the same thing. It doesn't matter what we call it. I'm just going to generically call it the income summary account for Simplicity the corresponding debit or credit for the owners distribution and contribution accounts will be made directly to the capital. Out the income summary account itself is temporary. It will have no balance before we start and it will have no balance by the time we're done the income summary account helps us transfer the net income or net loss from our income statement to the balance sheet. As we discussed in an earlier episode Equity is the transfer point between the income statement and the balance sheet and this income summary account is the mechanism used to actually make the debits and credits to transfer the temporary account balances to equity. So let's do a pretty simple example. Let's say for this period you have a sole proprietorship and you had revenue of $100,000 wage expense of $40,000 and computer expense of $30,000. Let's also assume that you as the sole owner contributed $10,000 to the company this year. Again, and feel free to roll your eyes. Every time I say this now this process like almost every other concept I've went over with you is entirely about using the L re method and understanding of the debits and credits as you will see if we look at our income statement. We will see that we have 100,000 dollars of Revenue and seventy thousand dollars of expenses. So the net income for the company is $30,000 stated another way on our income statement. We have $100,000 of credits and $70,000 of debits. So the net amount from our income statement is $30,000 of credits, which represents $30,000 of positive income. We know we must reset our income statement at the end of the period. So we need to transfer this $30,000 of credits from the income statement which represents the $30,000 of positive income to in equity account on the balance sheet. And we also know that Equity has a normal credit balance. So we 30 thousand dollar credit transferred from the income statement to equity will increase equity. That makes sense because if you make 30,000 in income for your business, you would expect that your Equity would increase by 30,000 pause here to absorb this if you need to this is an important concept to understand. The opposite is true, too. If we had 100,000 dollars of expenses and only 70,000 of Revenue. Everything would be reversed. We would have a debit balance on our income statement. And if we were to transfer a debit balance from our income statement to equity on the balance sheet Equity would be reduced by 30 thousand dollars back to our example after we prepare the financial statements and are ready to close out the books. We will make the following entries. Free to follow along with t-accounts and journal entries for our revenue account. We will assume that it is just one account for Simplicity. But you need to do this for each revenue account. So our revenue account that is currently sitting with a 100 thousand dollar credit balance. We make the following entry debit Revenue 100,000 Credit Income summary, 100,000 the effect of this transaction is that Revenue will nail have a Zero balance and we will now have a 100,000 credit balance in the income summary account. We transferred the credit balance from revenue to the income summary account. We do the same thing for our to expense accounts. We will credit wage expense for 40,000 and debit income summary for 40,000. This will reduce our wage expense balance to zero. We will credit computer expense for 30,000 and debit income summary for 30,000 as well. This will reduce our computer expense balance to zero if you're keeping score at home. Now, all of our revenue and expense accounts are at zero and we have $70,000 of debits and 100,000 of credits on the income summary account. This means that our income summary account has a credit balance of $30,000. So all we Done so far is transfer our thirty thousand dollar credit balance from our income statement to the income summary account. The next step is to transfer the balance from the income summary account to your capital account, which is an equity account on the balance sheet. We will debit income summary for $30,000 and credit your capital account for $30,000 the effect of this transaction is that the income summary account now has a zero balance. We're done with it. And your Capital account was increased by thirty thousand dollars, which represents the net income for the year from the income statement. Now, we must also consider the cash contribution of ten thousand dollars that you made during the year when the contribution was made assuming it was one transaction. We would have made the following entry debit cash $10,000 because the company received cash and credit your owners contribution account for $10,000. Owners contribution is an equity account. But as we discussed earlier contribution and distribution accounts are temporary for each accounting period so we need to reset that amount to zero and transfer the balance to your capital account. Unlike when we transferred our income this transaction will be Equity neutral because both accounts are within equity on the balance sheet. We already increased Equity when we booked that first journal entry, and I'm Wing it a capital account in this example because we are using a sole proprietorship the actual name of the account will vary based on the type of the entity. This could be a capital account. It could be a retained earnings account. The debits and credits are the same. However, so we have a ten thousand dollar credit balance sitting in contributions. We need to debit contributions for $10,000 and credit your Capital account for $10,000. The effect of this transaction is that it zeros out the contribution account and your Capital account was just increased by ten thousand dollars. So again, the company's Equity was instantly increased when you contributed the $10,000 but since the contribution and distribution accounts need to be wiped out at the end of the accounting period we make this entry 2. Transfer it from the contribution or distribution accounts to the capital account. So in total your Capital account was increased by forty thousand four that year 30,000 from the net income and 10,000 from the contribution. But keep in mind that although the capital account was increased by forty thousand during the closing process Equity itself was only increased by thirty thousand during the closing process because what we just discussed If This Were A Loss or if it were a distribution rather than a contribution it would be the same thing except it would be debit balances being transferred rather than credit balances The next step after the closing process is to prepare a post-closing trial balance, but you may or may not actually do that in practice often. That's just a theoretical step but the books are now ready for the next year our Revenue accounts and our expense accounts all show zero balances and our contribution and distribution accounts all showed zero balances because each revenue and expense account shows a zero balance. That means that the income statement has nothing on it. Blank, if you are using an accounting software program, there's a good chance that the computer is closing the books for you automatically, but it's important for your Mastery of accounting that you understand how this process works at the debit credit level. That's all I have on closing the books. I hope that makes as much sense to you as it does to me, please tell your classmates roommates and friends about the show. I really think that anyone who listens to the show can pass accounting one with no problem and this knowledge will help prepare. Are you for more advanced accounting Concepts? Please also spend a moment to rate and review the show. I appreciate those of you who have already done. So and for the kind words, I am very happy that I am able to help some of you. Hopefully all of you understand accounting at a higher level. Thanks for joining me. I'll speak to you next time.

Example: You own a sole proprietorship. For this period, you had revenue of $100,000, wage expense of $40,000, and computer expense of $30,000 (net income of $30,000). You also contributed $10,000 to the business this period. Step 1 – Transfer Revenue and Expense items to Income Summary                                                              Debit           Credit Revenue                                        $100,000             Income Summary                                  $100,000 Income Summary                       $40,000            Wage Expense                                           $40,000 Income Summary                       $30,000            Computer Expense                                  $30,000 Step 2 – Transfer Income Summary to Equity (capital account)                                                                   Debit           Credit Income Summary                            $30,000            Capital Account – YOUR NAME                 $30,000 Step 3 – Transfer contribution/distribution accounts to capital account                                                             Debit          Credit   Contributions – YOUR NAME     $10,000           Capital Account – YOUR NAME           $10,000

Jesus help. Asshole that's just amazing. We seem to be hitting levels that were unattainable before it's still sizzling. Let the Seine part of our audience introduce our brother Samuel, please. Yeah. Hello everyone welcome again to this episode of Oh my God, aren't we just basking in the ambience of the Lord because we have such a treat today. First of all, let's introduce our friends. Dr. Robin guesses. Hi guys and Pastor Tony Casas and we have a special friend by the name of Samuel. Hello. Whoa singing say oh my God. So we if you haven't heard yes, if you haven't heard, you know our new rendition you will eventually or you probably already have heard it but I'm gonna break it down a little bit because it was new challenge them during the challenge people that seem portals where we blow your mind. Yes. The flesh is but I want you to sing Sam's right? First of all we Have to get the download of What Sam's rendition was I think so. It wasn't Arabic and it wasn't American Indian and it wasn't tongue. It was Hebrew is Hebrew. Yeah, so he was singing about portals and Hebrew your first gem. Thank you. Thank you. Fun fact there actually was some some some parts of the rendition were Aramaic as well. Oh, it's fancy. Well, you gonna handle things. Well, welcome Samuel. We are glad to have you. He's our newest member of torque New York. So we want to definitely welcome him to the porters podcast. Of course, he's listening before and now he gets to play a pot if she does it gets to play upon Place apart and you know, it's he's playing a part. Because some something in his life opened up he had some things that he wants to share before we bring the subject of God venting. Yeah, he came to torque he came as I knocked on the door and said, can I come in now? Just listen for a second. He's not just an ordinary person. Really? He's an orthodox he an orthodox Jew And he was and he's probably even now a rabbi could she's not giving that up. And on top of all that he sings the scriptures in the synagogue because it's a Kento. Oh my well you sing in scripture and he came tonight and he sang and he brought such an awesome power of God into the church. Absolutely. Oh my goodness, if you guys haven't tuned into our Sunday service, which would have In what was the date October something the sick? There you go. The six Sunday the six service. What day is it Shania know what had happened was what? You know, I got stuck in a porter and I lost track of time. Anyway, if you looked at our service on YouTube from Pastor robbing our service on YouTube, you can get a glimpse of what that sound like in man. Not to Hype up experience because we know God is not a god of experiences. We've established that but truly cannot Bear. Yes. That was that was a melting of the hot he always sees a god of true experience. And the thing that was brought forward tonight was Holiness. Oh my I don't know and just how holy and how glorious his presence is. Yes. Oh my goodness the weight of his friends they now wear Team did an awesome job. Could the horse bring it in ushering in the spirit one Spirit? Mmm the right Spirit the right spirit because they definitely assure us and but yes, let's kind of unpack that sham you if you will. What is some of the things that you saying first of all hello. Hello. How are you? Don't sing. Yeah. Yeah, but you know, you can tell us a little bit about you know, you came knocking on torques doors like hey, can I come in? What was that like for you like to even want to come into a church? Well great question. I growing up. Growing up in the coming from the Jewish religion and experiencing life. We all experience life through our experiences with our family our upbringing all that. We are associated with me and when you grow up and you we all as human, beings yearn for true relationship trust love We all need that right whether we want to admit it or not want to admit? Yeah, we need to admit it. That's the facts of our existence. Yeah, then you look for something authentic for something real you look for real relationship and as we know We go around and yeah, we have acquaintances. We all have acquaintances. Do we all really have friends? We only have people who care about us and people that we care I think and as I told pastor and the pastor is before I think we we we we love our sandwich do we actually love? Each other yeah and the reaction so so so tell us a little bit about like your standpoint, you know, I get as a whole, you know, we kind of search for those things. But why was that so essential for you particularly? Like did you feel like you were missing some truth or did you feel like you were seeking as far as from your perspective? Yes growing up in coming from the perspective of religion religion to me was a divide a divide of family. Wow, you dirty really cuz I I have got to do this be this. Or you or you're not in existence? Whoo. So even in your Jewish background you experience that did you experience that, you know growing up as a you know, practicing Jew or well just in family Dynamic both. Well family Dynamic is affected by by the Jewish culture the culture that the faculty lives in. Yeah and the community that lives in rights. Yeah, so you obviously you, you know, we couldn't go to each other's bar mitzvahs because Your Orthodox and your reform or movement or even if you are a thugs but you're different levels of worth lakhs. And if it doesn't match, I know I actually know in Washington Heights. There is a family that's part of our congregation. She's a grandmother. She has grandchildren who she sees once every once a year or two. She's a grandchildren because her Her her child when so extreme in Orthodoxy that she wants. She wouldn't allow her Orthodox grandmother a mom to see her grandchildren limits. She would limit it is just an Excel for the separation. Yes, so based on. Okay, so your experience religion and that perspective you were kind of sensing that there was a bit of a separation and you know despairing a family a little It so now you're maturing you're practicing and being an orthodox Jew. What made you then step out? Like wait, let me see what this Christianity is all about. Yeah, so great question. I was always thinking I have to step out and find God. I don't know where he is, but let me go find him. Let me go figure it out. And then and then you start thinking. Well, you're going to find him probably going to find them somewhere where people are practicing and having to do with religion. Now. Here's the thing if you look around and you and if you look around Almost I don't know if it's almost or every religion that I know is associated with culture. Whether it's the Jewish real. Okay, Jewish religion you Jewish. Yeah, if you're a Hindu yeah, you know, if you're Muslim or whatever it is. Yes, it has to do with it's tied to something hmm Christianity actually, although Jesus comes from the Jews, but the Seeing as a whole is not associated with any nationality. Wow. That is so true. Why don't you just make a comment on that Journey? Well, it's it's basically the gospel is for everybody. The good news is for everybody and Samuel has noticed that you know, Christianity isn't a specific people group. It's not a specific culture. It's across the board. That's so true. So you what is observing is correct? Yeah, so that stood out to you more than say Hinduism Muslim Ray or like Orthodox Judaism. Right? Right. Let me first go and see. Hey here are people who are just some clips the here are people who are just serving authentic God. That's it not associated with anything. Let me go find that out find out what's going on there. That's where I that's that's that's what made me so you're saying can I just You're saying that when you came seeking God you were going after God not a man's belief exactly with culture to do with Traditions to do with forms to do with programs. You really wanted to find God the god of love that you were told about all your entire life. So actually what I was told about and actually what Jesus grew up on himself. Yeah, right. Wow. Yeah. So what what prompted you to leave your home that particular day last week and use you told us. I told pass through myself you wanted to go and experience a church, but your first experience was not exactly all that. Good. Tell tell the audience. What happened? Yeah. Well names or no names? Well, you asked two questions Pastor. What made me do it now? Yeah, and then what happened? Yeah. Well all my life I was seeking all my life. I was always questioning this can't be this can't be yet. I knew it can't be I just didn't know what yes, I needed to. get over a lot of emotional baggage that comes from thousands of years. Mmm. You understand. It's not easy for growing up as an orthodox, Jew with that extreme religious heavy religious situation when your mother I'll share if you don't mind your I grew up my mother my mother grandmother. Passed down they would tell you Don't Go Near those Christians because they practice Halloween and Halloween. Guess what they teach our children to do you go and receive candy from all you go knock on doors and get some candy trick-or-treat get some candy. They're teaching their children to take a guess how we celebrate our Purim Purim is like the Halloween guess how we celebrate our perm we go and give out baskets and we're giving out, you know treats to all our neighbors and Community. This is this is the real religion. This is what I was told and then of course on top of that you got thousands of years of Jews, you know, the separation with Christianity, it's not so simple. It's not so simple. However, however, I and by the way just interject. Esther's reminded me that we don't celebrate Halloween. So FY. Yeah, exactly. Are we do not support that even trying to redeem it would go to where they from a dry place. Anyway, yeah, so so then I then when you have that and then with all the thousands of years of of you know, the Christianity with the Jews and there's a Lot of our institutions prosecution, which I said was. Yeah. It was it was a lot of years and passed the Tony light enlighten me we had discussion about then if you can share soon but but but there is that fact and in and it's almost like you define you're going against your people your tradition if you know and it's very very deep. It's very hard as much as you know, the one part of my heart will say, hey, let's come to Christian. Because let's go find like I said before the one religion that has remained unassociated and has disassociated themselves with any particular group or culture. However, there is that side which makes it very difficult. So it took me a while to actually get the courage. Yeah, and then and then guess what happens and this has to be divine I I start researching a good church. It was on it was on Saturday morning. I woke up. I got this Revelation. I said I gotta go. I'm gonna go and find I said what what what's going to happen? I walk in that gonna kill me right nothing, but we hope that you know that you know, but you know, I'm not gonna kill, you know, let's go find out what's going on now. So yeah, so I say We got your question. Yes, we're going to take a second give the listeners a breather because you're sharing so much that is Blessing Me is definitely a blessing me and I'm sure it was a blessing the past as well just to hear your testimony, but we're going to give the list of the break and then we'll be right back. Hi everyone. We are excited for the soap fall season to commence with life-changing courses that will deepen our relationship with Jesus starting Saturday, October 5th. Dr. Robin Casas will kick us off with counsel by God. This course is so powerful to help heal emotions and memories and learn to let Jesus be the wonderful counselor of Our Lives you will be renewed with her. And Life as we learn to let God turn the scars into Stars sign up now by visiting soap and why dot-org. And we are back. Oh my goodness. I don't know how many of you listeners are being blessed by this testimony come from Samuel and believe it or not. We put them on the spot. So we're not coaching him to say these things. This is his true experience often take as we try to keep portals as possible just kind of unedited and as raw as it comes and we just allow the Lord to minister to through that way prophetically. See you being prophetic Sam. You didn't even know it anyway, so you ended the first segment bike kind of leading us to you know that morning where you just kind of got a revelation to seek God and you are impacting so many gyms will catch you up on what Jim is actually mean and things like that after portals, but you were you know, really just expounding the experience coming to torque. So, can you just kind of pick up where you left off when? Where you know you woke up that morning and you started a Google search about churches. Yeah, so I wake up it was a Saturday morning. I wake up and I say What's the worst that can happen? Let me just go walk in and see what's going on. Check it out. And I'm searching and I find a church in New York. That actually has a service on Saturday. So I said hey and they actually have a service in the morning and in the evening very convenient and they talk about the father of God the mother of god without mentioning any names of the church. But there's that there's that that detail very interesting very different I said, hey, it's an experience. Let's go find out what's going on. I come to church. Nicole train rides a whole trip Saturday afternoon a knock on the door and they say hi. What's your name sir? A casual conversation so you can't come inside this by appointment only? I said by appointment only is this doctor's appointment. I should know this by point. I said what's going on? No, like no. No, go ahead. There's an event going on right now. I said, oh sure an event. I would not disturb. When is the next service time eight o'clock this evening? Oh, okay. I'll be back at a clock for service. No, no. No you get you we have to first that's by appointment only week first. Yeah, we We don't just invite her service. I'm like wait, did you just say service by appointment only? Yes. I said when wait wait who owns this church? They said Jesus Christ. I'm like Jesus. Let me tell you something. I'm Jewish. He was Jewish. I guarantee you. He don't make no appointment. Ugh. Oh my God. Well, I run away I responded I'm like this is no way this is a Church of God. Oh, I'm sorry. I actually this reminds me of where I come from shabbat shalom. So it was like a religion again. Here we go. Oh my God. I walk downstairs in the Bowman who was part of the church. I explain to him what happened. He was very nice and he said, you know, I'll tell you really this is this is this doesn't make sense. I'm going to talk to the past. I haven't reach I said no no. No, this is a pastor. This is not a church. This is not a pastor. I'm sorry. I did this, you know, I'll totally he actually gave me his number he wanted to be in touch but you know because he said he felt bad but same time he actually saved I was going to walk out like this is original all real. I was done and he actually gave me a little saving which I will say that I'm going to go back. I want to go back and thank him and thanked the church for kicking me to talk and my gratitude is going to be that I'm gonna introduce you to some real Pastor, right? So, how did you how did you find torture that though? Okay, so that's just an aside. No, but anyway, I walk out support. Oh, I'm walk out and I say and I say okay I got I got a I'm going to try one more. That's it. One more I can do more than one more than the number two. So I go on my phone and I'm like searching churches in the area. I said God brought me here for a reason to this area. Right you go find a church in this area. I'm gonna look for the top Google reviews in the area to figure out what church I'm going to go to that's gonna be my sign. I guess what talks got a 4 point 9 Oh my goodness. Yes. Oh so and in the whole area for and this is a busy Church areas this list of churches. This is Times Square. This is no and and I say, okay, that's it. I walk I come in and I'm greeted by Sonja when a nice warm smile. An unbelievable. She invited me in real people's person beeps. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I still think her till today. She was the one who saved you was the worst. If not of that, you know, wow, so and then the irony of that you came and come in and then you're in a class, right? So she said there's actually actually no service today, but this is seminar tonight which costs $50 but if you want Can pay it but it's not you know, you still invited I said aha. So you're naughty so you're going to invite me to the seminar even and there's no appointment that services for sure. No appointment on my okay, that's it. And just to just to give a little back story. Did you say that would I'm home. He did was heard it right. I'll say it again. Oh, yeah. No right away. I said I'm home. That's it. It's interesting for one because you came. During a class. That wasn't yeah, and it wasn't one of those, you know, easy swallowing classes. You came to a fragmented Soul. So you got in the Deep stuff before we can even explain it. That's great. I've been to your side my God. So yeah, so you were welcomed in you attended. The seminar was excellent it continued from there are the seminar was so deep and and it was stuff that I've never heard and I and it was it was stuff that I've never heard and and deep stuff that literally blew my mind and then I went over to Pastor afterwards and she she said come stay for the second half. I remember right it would middle but a break and she said stay and then we talked after was a Pastor Tony and passed a night and we had a conversation and told the wee hours of the morning and I said these pastors they're not they're not running a business there. There is a father there's a mother there's assistant as a brother. Yeah. I'm like, this is family. This is unbelievable. And then and then what I what I Koreans was something so tangible results. Then you still have to get over the in the mind you still have to get over is Jesus God is he not God is he? Where's he from his if you know is he where is he coming from? And then you got it and you remembered all that computation we go through to get through all undo all that baggage all that's all those years. Yep of of upbringing and and and Heritage that you come from right? So it's not easy. You gotta go you gotta Got to go through all that. Yeah through all that. So you have the conversations with pastors and I remember, you know, you guys just sitting there and really unpacking the scriptures. But one thing I just really loved about you know, you come and get it was refreshing to see that you really were inquiring you aren't like trying to challenge or try to prove it down. You know, you really were inquiring and it was a beautiful thing to see that Dynamic happen, especially with Pastor Tony because you I believe has Tony is very knowledgeable in the scripture and if he like comes to life when he's talking about those scriptures Tony was so deep and kids and so straight cut them up and you were saying with Pastor Nate and you know, Pastor Robert and even a few of us, you know, just some fellowship just asking questions. So that was a beautiful thing, you know about that just come conversing with each other. I think that one of the things that really really Lee spoke to you and here's the big thing. You came up to me afterwards after we'd I did the seminar with pasta Nathan and you said to me you said pastor God speaks. How does he speak to you? And I said, well I suppose with me he prompts he prompts his voice to me and some people see Visions other sense how that others have impressions. And you said what about a gut feeling and I said well, I wouldn't call it a gut feeling but if that's your lingo then that's your lingo and if that's the way you see it nicked understand it then that's the way he will will speak to you through your way. Here's the key. When we finished pastor and I was speaking over you and we were giving you the word of the Lord and one of the things that Pastor said to you, you will know by your gut. Now. Let me tell you that conversation that you had out in the church was between you and me Pastor. Tony did not hear a word. That but when he was prophesying his statement was you will know in your gut so it's like God knew his language what I understand more can he have that God is showing him emotion and I want to say this to you. He was showing you that you had a motion that was never allowed to come forward because it was suppressing. Rest and brought down into sort of like an image where you had to live in that image of God. And so you never even got to explore your emotions. Let alone their God had the motion on believe what I if I can add if I can add to that the word talk. How did that come about in your understanding? Yeah. Torque, it's interesting t o RC C. So it's torque is your the 0 your tea is the 0u r @ EO your the 0 you are closed 0 in the the O is the closed you are your emotions are suppressed. You're absolutely close and you cannot be open until you walk into torque and you hear the r which is the right word of God and then you get to the Sea where you now you're open now you're open and you can open and then you become the chosen the second see that was enough to really digest we're going to go on break and introduce and talk about what we talked about on this Sunday. Nervous, we hope Samuels, you know, testimony is bless you. He has much much more much much more to come and you'll see a lot more of him. Just come around just come around come to talk that's wrong clothes and then come open and chosen. Anyway, we'll be right back. Hey guys. Want to hear God speak to you personally, then join us here at dipping night. It's every first Monday of the month at 7:30 p.m. To find out more information or to RSVP. You can visit us at dipping night dot torque. And why c.org? Hope to see you there. I think we're going to sing polos right now. I need to take a pill the red or the blue one. Excuse me. Let me come in and just say guess what? I think Jesus might have had to make appointments to oh, okay. Oh. Oh my God, you know what? Yeah, Jesus would if you had to make one as a Jew he would have had to make one. This is say, oh my God, I'm gonna give you a gymnast shape because I gonna come in I'm just gonna say something that needs to be said then Shanaya can Bring us seen because we've got some things we want to share with the people tonight, but you know, you had to discover your emotions. And that's what God wanted for you be you to discover your emotions. So then you could discover that God had emotions. That is so true. Wow, that's all I'm saying. Is that is wow. That's that hit me in the gut not the guy. He's got it. So we have tagged Paris for Nathan. And what else he has a scum gone tonight tonight's word really was birthed out of the word that we shared with. Yeah Church in Sydney. Mmm, and I had the privilege of sharing our Genesis 20 and 21 and the two chapters that deal with, you know, Sarah becoming pregnant finally and then giving birth to Isaac that the topic of Abraham being the only person in the scripture that in the Old Testament least that is referred to as the friend of God. And so that led us to speak about friendship and we can understand friendship between like humans and and family and so forth we have relationship with so many people in our lives when but when God calls you a friend that's something really special that's a special French friends and then Not the government doesn't remember parcel Robin making the comment because I ended up saying by the spirit because I didn't have any notes at the time, you know, we often vent to our friends. There are people that we feel comfortable and you know, letting whatever is happening deep down inside, you know, come up without them judging us or without them, you know, really making any kind of criticism and we get comfortable with that because that's what friends are for. What? Yeah like to think that That was what friends are for but I asked the question who does God meant to you know friendship with God is a two-way street that we all we all want that part where we benefit from that friendship. But what if we were to allow the Holy Spirit occasionally to turn that around and let God vent what he is concerned about well, maybe If I could come in on that that was the major challenge for me. I know that God has emotions. Wow, we're supposed to have his emotions which is love joy, peace long-suffering meekness. Mom as Temperance. These are these are emotions and gifts and the fruit of the Holy Spirit. They mean the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and that gross that's God and kid that grows seen us, you know, he's loving he's kind. He's all these things. Eggs, and we too should be the same way. But when you said that to know last night, I went home and I had a miserable night with cramps from standing all day teaching and and and then, you know going home very late. And so I I sort of you know that in Jesus name. Yeah. Amen. I kept cried out on the Lord all night and I had people praying for me. I had Debbie get up and pray for me because I knew my family. It was pretty worn out themselves. Yeah, and so is Debbie but she's young. She can't and so anyhow, Pastor I turned around and I got up this morning and my legs were still saw, you know, the kranti just from standing and I went to turn around and say oh God. My legs are hurting me tonight. Oh my God. Can you do something and then I stopped And I said, hang on I'm venting about my situation. Now. I'm in pain. It's discomforting for me or such a and then that turnaround they said no. What's bugging you Lord? Wow, what do you want to say to me about what you feel and I'm telling you guys from that moment on I had things come upon me a burden. Like I had never experienced in my life. I am Jewish. I'm a Christian. Yeah, but I'd never experienced a wait. A burden for Jewish people. Mmm. I was excited about Sam's conversion. I've been jumping I've been sitting and I'd been bubbling up and excited about everything that just gets revealed to him. Now. You've been quite excited about just so we did it. I mean I asked the Lord last week what's happening and he said Sam is seeing men as trees. Wow. I'm lifting. The veil and he's beginning to see he will eventually see the whole picture now that's exciting to me. I don't know if you know that it's not an easy thing less God lift the scales offered Jewish eyes. They can't be lifted because God chooses to Blind them. So only God could take them off. Yeah, but do you know just like Paul they had to be taken off by an act of God bringing someone into his life to do that, very thing. And so So I just I was so heavy heavy heavy heavy and I try to find reasons now we do this we do this Shanaya. We tried to find reasons why God might be venting. All right, he might be angry or hurt. Wow, and you know what those is it always points back to well. Undo is something wrong. I must not be whoa. King properly. Oh, I'm not overcoming in this area. I'm not even getting getting this sorted out. I need to pull myself together. But do you know something I couldn't do that and every time I tried to find a reason for why I was feeling heavy and I mind tell you that I was on the verge of crying every second I had tears in my eye. I couldn't even get my makeup on it was just what watering off. It was really hard. And so finally I'm sitting in the car coming to church. We're late. Everything seems to have happened and I'm thinking well, maybe I just need to get someone to pray for me. They prayed didn't lift and then I prayed myself didn't lift and I knew something's not going to lift. So I said I think we need to sing more when I get. T church we need to Signal we've had enough of the word. Let's sing. So I come down here expecting to be an instant answer. Yeah, that's it. Hey, and it didn't work yet because there was more to it and it wasn't until the Lord spoke to me and he told me this is something me. Wow. This is of me. This is not something you're doing wrong or to rebuke or to rebuke you this is of Me as a Jew I'm Awakening something in you that I need to vent if you're going to be my friend my always about him trying to tell you those things are fix you or you know. Get about everybody even someone else. You know that you may have been praying for he honestly just wants to share his heart sometimes and and it's a key to yes. If you don't mind. I'd like to just take you to something that I teach very strongly in one of the courses and that is your other times. Yeah, and I think that's in Council does it in no communion communion with God and these yeah, they're times ugh had different different places that you You can go and and it's like if you were to look at as a relationship with God you can have casual. Yeah, you can have casual prayer you talk to God about everything on the outside. Hmm on the outside like you would talk to any man on the street. Yeah afraid not just so much a friend to could talk to any acquaintances on the street. Wow. Look at this hot day. Look at this rain pouring their law looks. No, aw live in New York City. I hate the black ice all that all that stuff and it's all on the outside of you owe on the outside of you. Yeah, and that's the first place. I believe you go to. Yeah, and that second place is where you start to talk to him about what makes you tick what's going on in you you let it out you let him know that you're in pain. You're letting know that you're having all these things inside you so it's not an outside thing anymore. It becomes an inside thing and and and you let him know because you trust him because you trust your friend. You trust your friend. God is your friend and you begin to open up your inner parts, you become transparent you loud all of this to happen. Then the next point and the Next stage is where God begins to talk to you about what goes on in him? Wow, that is incredible. I mean how many of us have them friends? Right? Oh, I love that song. Anyway, we're gonna take a short break because you are coming in hot. Dr. Robin about this here friendship. And just I want to bring out definitely you know what you were saying about how the Lord has to trust us just like we trusted friend and we trust him. He also has to trust us but will will you know unpack that when we come back from this break all those? Hey guys, welcome to the portal podcast with dr. Alban Casas and anything are we and we pass the Nathan and we faster Tony Cassius will see you soon. I used to like a little mini and but I'm not gonna call you in as well as the money Compass back in posture up and because you know nothing yeah, I think it is. I think we went up to where you know, we're starting to trust God we're starting to tell him what really we feel inside us and that's not an easy thing guys. That's really not easy because you know, we've been hurt so many ways and we don't want to trust anyone but oh, Oh my God, but we open it. It's crazy how there's such an attack on the Friendship so and even in the world because they always saying No New Friends. Oh, no, fake friends or everybody's faked it is and it just kind of close you off from a true friendship. Yeah, and there's a true friendship in Jesus and you know, it's so easy. I mean every second word is love, you know, you love this. I love you. I love you. I never say in that unless I No that made right good talk to a stranger and say I love you. I love eating some sort of food, but I'm not going to compare that to the true. Love of God. Yeah, love is so Universal these days. It's so misused. Yeah, it's definitely so let me go back to this very point of your data and said and let me tell you that, you know when you start to trust God he and tell him what really hurts. And he listens and that's a great place to be with God and with people. Yeah when you could trust people to be your friend because you could trust God to be your friend. Do you understand? Sorry. Let me give you so we can't to another place that I think it's exciting. It's where God in this stage trust you and he starts telling You what hurts him. Wow, and what bugs him and what he is concerned about. Yeah, and he is and he just opens up like a real friend to you. Yeah, and he trusts you you seek. It can't be God's friend unless he trusts you. Mmm. You can't you can be his child. But you can't be his friend unless he trusts you. Well, I mean, it's good. Scripturally. He said David is a man after my own heart. You didn't say David is a man after my own words. Oh my ways promises. Yeah. He said heart, you know, so that implies he trusted him on a heart-to-heart level, you know, I was finished. I think besides Abraham, maybe maybe David was a friend of God to because we often hear David. Yeah, he's alms the Psalms are basically event of the emotions that David was experiencing and I'm sure there were times when David's at before the ark like he often did and God would speak to him what he was he was feeling so that brings us to Abraham. Obviously. There's only a few people in the scripture that God actually expresses Intimate Relationships. Sorry. It details about what's going on in his heart. You already mentioned Abraham and Abraham was just minding his own business and one day Three Angels turn up. Mmm and they sit down and have lunch. They have lunch with Abraham. And one of those three Angels is actually the angel of the Lord which is like a pre-incarnate Christ. Wow, and it was during that Fellowship of having lunch that you know, the Lord said to Abraham this Makes G. Sarah will be be holding a son. So that tells us a lot about how important fellowship with God is because when you fellowshipping with God God begins to reveal what he's about to do a set this up know Abraham was ready and available to talk with God. This is why you know, Jehoshaphat is the the man who refers to him as the friend of God. God forever. Yeah, I am your friend forever. And so Jehoshaphat knew something about Abraham's relationship with God and that's possibly the reason why God made him the father of many nations based on relationship geez, and then the other time we see Jesus, we've got to talk about Jesus. Yeah. Yep. We sure do. I often ask ask, you know, the Lord how come Peter James and John were sort of like the Favorite three and I think out of the 12 these guys were friends the most okay, and that says a lot because I Think Jesus shared with Peter James and John but especially John things that he didn't share with the other 9 the disciple that he loved. Yeah, and he had an inner circle he did and so it wasn't because they were favorites. No because they listened And there's the key they listened. They zipping the Libby actually wanted they actually wanted to you know, hear what he had to say. There it is there listening. They're listening. They're not talking they listening. Anyone that listens you can make a friend, right, you know, someone who does all the talking it's all about them, but when they listen they're listening to Being about view the interesting thing with Abraham is after that lunch, you know under the you know, the memory trees the Lord gets up and he's about to walk towards Sodom and Gomorrah and he stops and he talks to himself. He says shall I not revealed to Abraham what I'm about to do. Here we go. Seeing that he shall be a Great nation, in other words, he stops himself and he goes I got to share with my friend what I'm about to do. Wow knowing full. Well that Abraham is friend is the only man that has enough boldness. Yep to stand in the gap for Sodom and Gomorrah. Well, he's actually standing in the Gap through his nephew. Yeah, but even God overlooks that selfish part. Yeah, he uses Abraham to intercede for the two cities. Unfortunately. There's Not ten righteous people there and judgment has to fall but it tells us that God will always vent to people he trusts with what he's revealing and you know, you know about listening, you know, God loves a listener. He calls it in his word Proverbs that speaks. Yeah, you're a fool. If you do all the talking, but a wise men is one that listen. Yes, and and so this is an important part of God and just you're mentioning about friends and you mentioned about Abraham being a special friend and you brought that up about sudden Sodom and Gomorrah, but I want to bring up about how he was such a good friend to God. God had Pray for the wounds of those women were Barren from Abby Miller. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It had to be my friend has to pray for you. Even though my friend is doing the wrong thing at the moment that my friendship Trump's what he's doing wrong. That's exactly right. So so friendship with God and you he talks to you Do you he opens up to you? He trusts you. Yeah, he trusts you. Yeah. Wow, I'm coming back. Yeah with more. Yeah you are and I just love I just want to close this one out this portion before we go to break when you believe it. Was you Pastor Tony when you bought out the fact that you know, you may not tell your family as much as you tell your friend. Yeah, and I think this really will highlight the difference. As I feel like we stay at the family portion with God and each other but there's there's a difference there's a difference. Come on. When is the friendship I just finished you get two gems. That was put up that in your pocket right now one more come on getting heavy and we'll be right back. Hi, everybody passed an 8 here and boy we excited to invite you to a new event that we have happening on Sundays at 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. The new Bible study that starting at talk called connecting the dots. This is going to be a great way for you to come connect the dots of your faith reintroduce yourself to the Bible or introduce yourself to the Bible. Like never before Pastor. Tony will be leading this class. You don't have to come to every class you can drop in also, it will be recorded and Available later on on talk TV. So we're excited to take this journey and for you to come on this journey with us. We'll see you there Sunday at 3 p.m. dada thank you for being a friend speaking of friends. I got a friend of mine. He lives. He's a Bedouin in the land of Israel. Are you ghost is just outside. Jerry go and you can't miss it. It's totally black. He's got a Toyota Hilux truck. Wow, parked out a sword. Listen to this. You can't miss this tent because it's got this gigantic TV. Aerial. Oh, it's about 30 feet high has always watching soccer now a friend. Yeah. I just want to say hello. The last time you said that best tell you about your Prison, Alaska, we did had a Siberia. He's looking at and viewers. Yeah brothers and sisters out there. Okay, and I literally have like cable television or what is it? You know. Yeah. Well serial casting say something to them in your friendship language of Arabic so they can understand salaam alaikum. Tell them all they made more than Michelle. Um, why did you say you need to listen to portals? It's good for you. All right. I don't have the commander language that might maybe maybe small can do it. I'll give it I'll give them the shallow my life him from Israel to put some Israelis on our audience list. Come on, including some Arabic Israelis as well. So let's go back. Let's go back to this yard at a time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah my new work. Yeah, that's how everybody one two, three Lord Jesus now, we're going to go back to you know this. Out of time you were saying about God trusting you. Yeah, what do you feels? Yeah, and so he you know, this is a great place to be this is a great place for everyone of us to be where you know, this is when you really really invest in Friendship, this is where you really see friendship when God the Creator trusts you to be his friend by telling you his secrets of his heart. He talks to you about his heart. Yeah, this is amazing. Yeah, and so even that you would think would be the ultimate place to be I was going to say, can we go deeper? I'm sure there's plenty many more places, but let's go one more place deeper will go to where say it's not even talking anymore. You're not even talking about what makes you tick what hurts you he's not even talk. To you. He's not even talking to you about him and how he created you and how man has disappointed him because he sent his only son to die for them and they've rejected him. He's not even talking about that. There's a place where you can come to where it's like when you're married when you're married for 50 60 70 years. Yeah, and that's impossible these These days it's a miracle is another portal. That's a miracle working power to today. I claim it in Jesus name and I wanted to say this one thing where but if you are, it's like, you know one another you don't even talk, you know, what that person thinks next. You know, what they think of the subject, you know, what's going on in them because it's like you've become one in this Everett and that's a place for us to get to listeners people that's a place for us to get to where we don't have to talk. He doesn't have to talk that we could just be one in the spirit and we could just know what each other thinks and I don't call that psychic psychics all about you it's all about you when you being God and you having the envelope. As the flash Sizzle, this is the Pledge burning here at pop your crap just to finish that statement off one day one day. Mmm, we will be with him at the marriage supper of the Lamb on and now form of communication will be greater than any form of the five senses damn mouth. Eyes and the ears. So anything else it'll be a spiritual expansion. We will know each other by the spirit. Wow of the Saints, you know, I've been listening because I'm I was convicted when you said a full tox much knows. I don't want to talk too much but something that you said before to about each of these men of Faith being able to hear from God. Yeah and the Lord brought me into the story as I was listening of job and how I remember past attorney saying once if everybody had just shut up. Yeah one chapter would have been God would have spoken because finally at the end of Jobe Lord says can I speak like, you know, are you finished and but I don't nobody vented all four of them vented flat 38 chapters, but I want to take us to another step but a waste of time because I believe that step. One but I believe the Lord is revealed a greatest step. We can't he God vent until he hears us spent because it's about relationship love is about a response. Well, that's what happened with Sam. He had to discover here. Some of shouldn't before God could show Sam that he had emotion. So even us discovering our emotions is in God's Divine planting to show us his emotions, right? We think it's all about us. Us discovering who we are but really because you've been saying something later lately pass the robin you've been saying stop looking at what man is doing, you know and use I'm going to say this very lightly used what the enemy is doing to point you to what God is doing I look at what God's doing. You know, you brought something up. I'm teaching Council by God and my first key mmm to being counseled by God is you see God Everywhere everywhere. That's What Makes You pure in heart. Yeah, let's turn it around. If you see God everywhere in every situation, then you will have purity of heart and what's funny is that we always go to God and conversation because we're prophetic so we understand that we can have conversation but the word conversation means there has to be a response right from the other person. You can't just keep going and God and say well I feel this I feel this I feel this cycle this one way and then I walk out walk out because you're robbing yourself of closer because it's not closed. It's not a conversation until the other person has told you what they're feeling. Otherwise, it's just you hearing yourself speak that that can't be you gotta had two people dad conversation. Exactly. And that's why job and his friends. It was just a whole lot of blabber and not once did anyone stop to say well, what is God saying? What is God what are you saying? You know what? I mean? You see in this situation. He's saying something here, but he's not saying something about you. Yeah, he wants to talk about what he's feeling and people say well really does God have a motion. Of course, he does. He says, you know, if you're lukewarm then I'll spit you out of my mouth. I think that's someone that has emotion. Yeah, you know what? I mean? Yeah. God was infuriated when the children of Israel moved into idolatry at the at the foot of Mount Sinai, you know, so he said to Moses move aside let We wipe these people out. Yeah, Jesus said you stiff neck and people where's the emotion? There's a motion in that. Yeah. So here's a motion it whipped them out of the temple, but that's pretty emotional. That's my favorite emotion. I think a key here is because I'm all for Christians finding the process and you know understanding so I think the key for our listeners to understand what the Lord's revealing to me as I'm listening to this portal is we can have our emotion but until we get Is emotional response? Yeah, our emotion can't go anywhere. Yeah, because you know what I'm saying. We leave it in our prayer closet at our emotional Lord. I feel disappointed. Oh Lord. I feel this I feel that I feel this and then we say about God I can't then we apply the face steps, but I know you're going to answer prayer and I know you're gonna do this and I know you're going to do that, but we never actually draw from him what he feels. Mmm. And you know, what do you feel about my workplace? What do you feel about my husband? What do you feel about my wife? How do you feel about my what are you doing? What are you doing? You know, how does it hurt you to see this? Yeah. Yes, then that can really lead us to the true emotion because I was having a conversation with someone last night about how do we get God's emotion to be our emotion. Well, you got to hear what he thinks. Yeah, you can't just tell me what you think. So the whole thing is here and he's a good key to do this to end at this session. And that is God's Response it never react. Yes, come on, and I've been saying this lately Shania and it's so it's so important. This is the thing that I've been living by lately anytime you react it is going to be void of a conversation yet. But anytime you respond whether it's to people whether it's to God whether it's to the enemy it's going to have to include a conversation you can't respond without Conversation conversation leads you back to relationship. So what passes been teaching in Council by God a communion with God abiding all these things. You can't have faith hope and love when you react because that their emotions that God fills you with their fingers that God fills you with and you can't had that if you're filled with you and how does he fill you with it through the conversation come this so you have to hear about Faith he is love he has hope his life what he wants to do what he wants to show you about who he is, you know, we sang a song tonight and I love the I love the bridge lyrics, you know, it's the one of the new songs and it says, you know, you take what the enemy meant for evil and you turn it for good, you know, and I think that like the concept of the Christian can be like, oh, well, once the enemy's done it then the Lord will see it and go. Okay. Well now I'm going to turn it for good. He knows what the enemy's going to do before they even the Enemies done, right? You know that he wants you to know it right? It's already planned to use the enemy as the garbage man to reveal who he is. Yeah in the Situation's just to scoop off the the dross of the gold. Yeah gold comes to the surface. It boiled some boils and he drops and the dress comes to the surface and that's how you separate that which is not pure and that which is not It just comes to the surface you just scoop it off and throw it away. And then you've got the pure gold and that's what God does With the Enemy. Yeah. He just lets it come to the surface to scoop it off and to throw it away and you know what? If this is what we're got we're heading now tonight and this is the end of this portal tonight. Yeah, let me say this to you say it explore being a friend of gods. Yeah. It's worth it. We're going to continue this next week. We're not finished with this subject. We want to go into it. So it will become deeper and deeper because Shit has to be two not one. Wow. You guys able to sing and friends are friends forever, but I thought that was just like wow. No. No you did it. Anyway, so if you have friends, please share this portal with him because friends are important. It really is an is definitely an investment. Hmm. Not just a one-way Street. You better go Chiefs. Another YouTube. I think it's getting hot in here. Yeah color gems. Any who is this has been another episode of see you next time. Bye now.

"And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God." - James 2:23 In this episode of portals, host Shenaya Annise interviews our Senior Leadership -- Dr Robyn Kassas, Ps. Tony Kassas, and Ps. Nathan Kassas -- on what it is to be called the friend of God. Great patriarchs of our faith not only had a saving relationship with their creator but were called friends of God. They had intimate dialogue and connection. Which brings us to the point, that they were able to hear God's heart -- He would share what He was feeling with them. Are we able to come to the place where we can hear God "vent" to us about what troubles His heart? Or are we too concerned with what is going on in our own world that we don't realize the importance of being quiet to hear His response. Dr Robyn unpacks such a key and challenging revelation of the "yada times" as we reveal that the Lord wants to let us in on what His heart is feeling because that is true relationship -- not a one sided conversation. If that wasn't full enough, we also are joined by Rabbi Sam, a recent convert from Orthodox Judaism to now a believer in Jesus Christ. Samuel shares his testimony and the power of breaking free from religion so that you can have a real relationship with God, hear his voice, and come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Scripture. Let the snap, crackle, pop commence!

Do you believe that we all lived past lives? Do you believe in reincarnation? Do you believe that our souls are Immortal? Have you ever had Deja Vu when you meet someone visited a new place or did something and that feeling of I know you or I know this place even though you can't quite put your finger on it. Do you wonder why you're here on Earth what your sole purpose is? Do you ever wonder who you were in a past life or why you adore or feel repelled by someone? Maybe you wonder why things happen constantly to you. Let me tell you a little bit about past life regression past life regression is available as a form of hypnotherapy that is used to heal and transform the root causes of physical disease and entrenched emotional issues and patterns past life regressions can help us connect with our souls to get answers about our relationships. Our careers our fears our desires and A life purpose at large. I'm going to tell you all about past life regression and how you can benefit from having your own regression session. Stay tuned. I'll be right back. Welcome to spiritually speaking podcast. My goal is to teach you the elements of spirituality that will show you how to find your passion and purpose in life. I'm your host Lisa Maria. So join me in another session of spiritually speaking. Welcome back to spiritually speaking podcast. I'm so happy that you joined me today while we are going to discuss past lives and how a past life regression can help you get rid of negative patterns in your life and thrive on the positive ones. So why should you even care about having a past life regression? Well, here's 12 reasons you get to touch and feel your soul. And know who you are as a spiritual being you receive unconditional love, you know and feel how sacred and divine you are and how utterly loved and precious you are. You can discover your soul purpose and why you're here on Earth. You can understand the Dynamics behind significant relationships both the wonderful and the challenging ones and how to shift or grow from them. You can heal physical issues here. We enter the realm of the miraculous with thousands of records of healing where by just remembering a past life trauma, like drowning a woman is healed from asthma you can heal emotional issues like phobias and fears and transform toxic mindsets of feeling powerless abandoned or unlovable. You get Soul perspective. This will shift just about every way you view yourself your relationships and your life. You tap into untapped talents and gifts that can awaken within you you can receive guidance and love from your Spirit guides. You can heal and transform on a cellular level very quickly. You can connect with your soul family Kindred Souls that are beyond your Earth family. You feel and experience your Divinity your true nature of Love Peace. Joy and wholeness and you know who you are as a soul as a spiritual being. Now if that is an attractive, I don't know what else is let me tell you but I'm going to start off with Karma which a lot of people misunderstand many people feel that karma is a punishment from something that they have done before hence. The saying karma is a bitch or caramel get them. Well Karma describes the patterns that we establish in our drive towards wholeness it can either hinder or help us in our journey. And Karma is not only negative as most people think it's a subtle or energetic form of cause and effect. Although most of us focus on Karma as negative things that we need to change to receive better things in life. It is far from that. We make choices and there are always consequences for our choices. Some good some bad, but the most important thing about changing is learning the lessons from those experiences. When we don't learn the lesson we continue to repeat the same patterns the same type of people keep showing up in our lives and we continue to receive the same things in life and on and on it goes in a vicious circle then we teach our Children those patterns if we don't change them and there it goes on for a lifetime's generation after generation. We need to stop that vicious circle of negativity by finding the root of the problem, whether it's in this life or our past lives. This could be something we didn't let go of in a past life. So this is where past lives come in. Past life memories are the autobiography of your Eternal Soul personal stories that explain who you are now and why you're here on Earth and past life regression is the syrup utak technique for accessing and re-experiencing those past lives directly. It's a branch of hypnotherapy past life regression has grown over the last 50 years. Is to be an important addition to the Healing Arts with the millions of case studies that prove we lived in past lives. There's past life evidence from children. And how do we know this? Perhaps the strongest evidence for the continuation of a personal Consciousness from life to life is the spontaneous past life memories of kids hundreds of cases have been verified. Where a young Child speaks in so much detail about a past life that their former identity can be matched to a specific person who died before the child was born and when the past and present personalities are compared. We see that specific personality traits, like emotions attitudes abilities relationships and even physical symptoms carry forward from One Life to another Children who remember dying violently often expressed strong emotions and may even have repeating nightmares feelings of fear. Sadness anger guilt are felt and aligned with the circumstances of their past life deaths. The children's cases show more than just a correspondence and personality and behavior in the cases where the traumatic past life memory was acknowledged and processed the It's a feelings and Thoughts From. The trauma was released these children were able to let go of the heavy emotional baggage that They Carried into this life and if you weren't fortunate enough to have your past life experiences resolved as a child then feelings thoughts and even physical symptoms stemming from past life trauma can carry forward into adulthood and continue to fect you unconsciously as recurring dominant patterns in your life. And this is where past life regression therapy can help you for example, if you died feeling abandoned in a previous life, you're energetic template is charged with feelings of Abandonment. You may come into this life and have separation anxiety as a baby or you may experience the early loss of a parent these early experiences mirror unresolved Of past life themes the accompanying feelings of sadness rejection and feeling unloved are triggered and can continue into adulthood affecting your relationships with other people. Now some people try past life regression simply out of curiosity to see who they were in the past. I know I have but for most it's a pest for personal growth and healing with the help of a trained guide past life regression can help you with the following it can help you see personal relationships in a new light. It can help energize talents and abilities from the past can help release. Fears and anxieties that are linked to past life traumas can help release past life traumas at the root of the physical problem meaning eliminating it for good experiment will help you experience the transitional states of death and beyond I could help you understand and align with your life purpose. Okay, she'll how does past life regression work while in a light trance and me as your regression guide you experience each past life yourself. You see it you sense it and you feel it. You are the central character deeply involved in the past life story regression therapy now is not to be confused with past. Life psychic readings which is more informational than therapeutic and I do offer both as services and I'm going to give you that information later in the in the podcast. So while seeing feeling and sensing past lives past life regression is an amazing full sensory experience. Now, you might experience the memory as a vivid movie or see only vague flashes of images that prompt The Narrative you might hear gunshots or explosions on a battlefield or music at a dance. It's possible to recall smells too like smoke from a fire. Leather from a saddle or the sweat of a dirty body. But know when you have a past life regression, you are not experiencing or re-experiencing the pain you are basically watching it or viewing it like a movie. So don't be scared of having a past life regression. As the story unfolds you feel real emotions appropriate to the story. You may cry. When you re-experience deep sadness at the death of a beloved child or field despair in the pit of your stomach as you witness a massacre or you may experience happiness at a long-awaited homecoming from the war and just as you can recall strong emotions, you feel the pain of an arrow piercing your body, as you are dying or the heaviness of a load that you're carrying on your back these physical Sensations and emotions are very real in the moment but passed quickly as you move through the past life story and the death in the superconscious skate many surprising things can happen. You can objectively review the past life just experienced and gain a sense of understanding of Lessons Learned in that Lifetime and what thoughts feelings and physical Sensations may have carried forward from that life into the present and if more than one lifetime is recalled during the session General Soul patterns can be observed shedding. And this insight into where you've been and where you're going in your journey through your incarnations some people move into a highly energetic state where they experienced healing energies coming into their bodies imbuing information love and understanding. These energies may be experienced as orbs or colors or other beautiful forms. The energy can also take on the form of Spiritual Beings who give guidance and answer questions groups of souls may appear and act as agents of teaching and healing this type of healing usually occurs spontaneously without any prompting from me. These healings have been described by clients as one of the most significant life-affirming events of their lives. For some it is the first time they've experienced absolute peace and unconditional love. In this state of Soul Consciousness deceased relatives can suddenly make contact both spiritually and telepathically a presence is felt in the room their forms are recognizable and I encourage these telepathic dialogues because I believe there is a reason why these loved ones show up during a session for those who experience this contact. They are left with a sense of wonder and often relief. Lee knowing that their loved ones are present this extraordinary State of Consciousness has been described by Mystics near-death experiencers and past life's therapist for more than 40 years Pioneers such as dr. Joel Witten of Canada. And dr. Michael Newton of California have documented this afterlife state in their books. Dr. Joel Whitten describe the state of Of Consciousness during regression therapy in his groundbreaking book life between life in 1986 and in recent years, dr. Newton has refined techniques for delving more deeply into the life between Lie from and describes his clients experiences and his amazing books journey of Souls and Destiny of souls. I'll put the links in the description for those books. So why does past life therapy work? People often ask how can past life therapy help me I have enough to deal with in this life. The short answer is you're affected by your past lives whether you're aware of it or not. And because you're dealing with so much in this life, it could be good. It could go back to your past lives. So you could actually get rid of it past life experiences create the dominant patterns in your Life past life therapy is a direct way to access the origins of these patterns and he'll present life issues. Allow me to explain a little bit further. You're not born as a blank slate written upon only by early experiences and heredity as conventional science would have us believe you're so much more you come into this life as a soul impressed with the wisdom and wounds from many other lifetimes. These impressions are encoded into an energetic template that informs your present personality physical body. And some external circumstances in your life. This template also carries the emotional charges from unfinished lessons from previous lives and the plans and the blueprints for the present life think of it like this. Think of it as an elementary school a middle school and a high school. Some of us are ready to graduate and some are still in elementary school. So always remember just because you may be more familiar with the spiritual aspects of things or hold different beliefs than someone else does not make you any better than them. It just means that they may still be in middle school and learning on a different level than you are. Don't ever judge. I always say that everyone is entitled to have their own beliefs. Some people believe in reincarnation and that is okay. Some people don't believe in reincarnation and that's okay too, but don't judge me for my belief and if they do then it's okay to because this may be their level of learning right now all in all we're all learning here on Earth. And the reason we continue to reincarnate is because our soul is moving forward. To graduate so to speak into a higher Dimension or realm and once our souls reach a specific energetic vibration, then we are able to move on into those higher Dimensions. So let me tell you a little bit more about how past life regression Works past life regression is not a psychic reading. It is personal healing for you. You were born not as a blank slate. But as a so rich with both the wisdom and the scars from many lifetimes, we all carry memories from past lives into this life unconscious memories that carry an energetic charged and continue to affect us. They can be things like that. Our vows made things left undone accomplishments failures mistakes success emotional debts. Gratitude traumatic and sudden deaths wisdom and love past life regression helps us settle things from the past that we may have brought with us into this life. It helps us process the memories that keep showing up in our present lives and allow us to overcome fears phobias pain and other types of emotions that no longer serve our highest good this helps the soul process the memories that may still linger within our souls while finding out the y or the root cause of the things that we deal with in our present life these charges from the past set up patterns, which are continually triggered and repeated in our present life. These patterns can be positive or negative and they can affect our relationships behaviors motivations and even our Local bodies and health positive patterns can feed talents bestow wisdom influence taste and energize our life purpose and negative patterns fueled destructive compulsive behaviors. The clouds are judgment cause injuries and block our way to our higher purpose by making these memories conscious. We can release the patterns that no longer serve us freeing us to live. Live more fully in the present beneficial patterns are reinforced negative patterns are neutralized past life regression is the process of healing the Soul by healing the past. Let me tell you a little bit about life between lives and how past life regression can help you in spiritual healing as well. Now past life regression is gaining recognition as a legitimate form of spiritual healing no matter what religion you profess or even if you don't follow any religion experiencing yourself as a soul in other lifetimes gives you Profound awareness that you are more than a physical body you encounter your souls s ends connected and aligned to a greater Universal energy perhaps for the first time in your life. This has happened often in different po our sessions. And for those who experience it they feel truly at peace after slipping from your body. You travel in the spiritual State between limes and feel the energy of Heaven you get a glimpse of who you truly are a sole learning and growing through different incarnations some meat gods and make plans some dialogue with deceased relatives and are left with a profound sense of having made genuine contact with their loved ones. An important part of the past life regression sessions occur after going through the past life death and into a virtual afterlife experience no matter what was recalled and the past life story going through the death is a distinct shift in Consciousness and altered state was in an altered state of consciousness you experience yourself as a soul consciousness. Out of time detached from your past or present personality without a physical body. Again, all in all we are all learning here on Earth. The reason we continue to reincarnate is because our soul is moving forward to graduate into a higher Dimension or realm and once our souls reach a specific energetic vibration, then we are able to move on into those higher dimensions. I'd like to thank you for joining me in this episode of spiritually speaking. And as always I have a freebie for you. I have a short version of a past life regression guided meditation for you to practice and try for yourself. Now remember this is a short version a past life regression session can last close to three hours. So make sure you keep a journal besides you to record any Freeze that you may have after doing this meditation and a past life regression session with me can be done via video as well as in person. So you don't even have to be in my local area. If you'd like to book a past life regression hypnosis session with me, please send me an email with the subject line past life regression to Lisa at life. You dot me it's Lisa at Hi Fe y OU dot m e or you can always contact me through my website to at www.sprintrelay.com line courses dot org or www.lillysinghtour.com ariya.com. I'll include all the links in the description below and as always love and light to you all and I'll speak to you in the next session of virtually speaking namaste

How to find out what you were in a Past Life-What is Past Life Regression Hypnosis? Have you ever had déjà vu when you met someone, visited a new place, or did something? That feeling of “I know you!” or “I know this!” even though you can’t quite put your finger on how? Do you wonder why you’re here on earth or what your soul purpose is? Do you ever wonder who you were in a past life? Why you adore or feel repelled by someone? What is Past Life Regression Hypnosis? A past life regression is available as a form of hypnotherapy that is used to heal and transform the root causes of physical disease and entrenched emotional issues and patterns by finding out who we were in our past lives. Past life regressions can help us connect with our souls — to get answers about our relationships, career aspirations, fears, desires and even life purpose at large. I am going to tell you all about Past Life Regression and How You Can Benefit from having your own PLR or Past Life Regression Therapy Session. If you would like to book a past life regression hypnosis session with me, please send me an email with the subject line: "PAST LIFE REGRESSION" to [email protected] or you can always contact me through my website too at:  www.spiritualonlinecourses.org CLICK HERE TO SUBSCRIBE TO MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL Invite Lisa to Speak and Learn More About Lisa at: www.lisamuria.com Show Note Links Books Mentioned Dr Joel Whitton: Life between Lives Dr. Michael Newton   Journey of Souls  Dr. Michael Newton Destiny of Souls.

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If you'd like to if you prefer that Medium of communication, it's podcast at what my wedding doctor at UK. It's quite self-explanatory. But yeah, just a little thanks before we start getting into this episode going back to Instagram. We put a poll up about what percentage of your budget you're spending on entertainment and I was quite impressed with how people appear to know their budgets like you all obviously have a good idea of what is spending the average seems to be somewhere between 5 and 10% Which is good because our budget guide suggested about 7% So yeah, we were pretty accurate with that. There was obviously fluctuations in that some people weren't spending anything on entertainment nothing at all. And some people were spending much more you need some people as 15 percent of their budget one person of a spending thirty percent of their budget. Mine are entertainment event that 20% Did you come on that later? Yes, we will or one reader zeb's is spending four percent on an evening buttoned. Where's Jordan at Ashley's spending about 400 pounds on her photo booth which equates to two percent. Scent of her budget and as I said, some people aren't don't have any budget for entertainment man on C Williams suggested that conversation is the best entertainment. She's not wrong people love a good catcher. But why didn't they do? I think that's it's a place people take the opportunity to really have a good catch up with people haven't seen for ages. Yeah, and that's the whole when people comment about night not going overboard because there is a Temptation it when you sort of get into it like let's out and then what happens when that finishes all we need something else knowing that vision is something outside were actually people might if there's just nothing all day. Yeah, your guests are going to miss something because Point after a drink they want to chat to you know, their friends. They might not have seen for a while and I think so don't feel the need to have to provide entertainment every poll of the you're absolutely right. We're going to start by talking about music. So this is not an episode specifically about music, but I think we both agree that music is a large part of the entertainment analyzing. Yeah. Well, yes, isn't it? Yeah, so it's going to take probably a quite a big chunk of this episode. But let's see how we get on anyway. First thing to think about with your music is think about what kind of vibe you want to create for your day. So, for example, if you're having a black-tie wedding, you don't necessarily want to have a country band because they're not going to fit in with your theme and the feet the vibe that you're trying to create for your day. Unless you give them a basket full of cowboy hats unless you have all these what quite you know, what your day you always do what you like. I'm just and you give me all the ideas. I like wow, that's huge in that my sister's wedding. But you know what you mean, as you know what I mean consider. Yeah what you're trying to create in terms of like you'll see when the feel the Ambiance that's it of like when Alison been were talking about their wedding in season 2 there guy turned up and he forgot to get changed and he was just in his jeans and a shirt. You might not be happy with that. If you're having a black-tie wedding is my point you might you might want them to leave and then my lollipops in on a wrecking ball might just not Be what you'd imagine, you know, so yes, so think about the whole vibe you're trying to create and then you can think about what parts of your day you want to have music in so you can have music during your ceremony in your drinks reception. That's probably going to be the same musicians. I would imagine because they're very very close together from all the weddings. I've been to and all the wedding's we featured I'd say that's a good 90% Yeah of how that works. Absolutely. Hmm, and I do It for this part of your day. Although you might want upbeat songs. You need them to be performed in a certain way. You don't want something totally crazy and erratic. This is a really important. Well, it's the most important part of the day isn't it? You were about to do your vows and get married. So you want something soft gentle head back a little bit not too in-your-face because again people are coming in and they're seeing each other for the first time friends might that might not have seen each other for ages. So when people are coming into the ceremony and sitting down everyone's time to quick chat. Up before the whole thing kicks off. So you just want to keep it quite mellow I would say anyway, I've not yet. I've never been to a ceremony where it's there's been Rock Band on know for example. Yeah. Well there I still want to go to another Gospel Choir on. Oh my God, but how amazing would that be really amazing? Oh my God, but again as the music that you're choosing for that particular bit. IO everyone's coming into the ceremony room and certainly for the bride and a groom coming down the aisle then. Want something that's not going to overpower the scene. That's the should we say it to compliment? Yes. You're not free to Ott. I think we spoke to List member tobyh music who are a Duo that play a double bass and acoustic guitar and they generally play for ceremonies and some of the drinks reception. So I thought it'd be interesting to get an Insight from them on how long I usually play for you know it do they take requests things like that. So we ask them a couple questions and this is What they had to say less is more and it's not that we get off playing it's because access to become special if they're playing all night a speciality is ceremony and kind of pays so 15 minutes prior to the ceremony then three songs during the ceremony and then 45-minute kind of piece set. Which has how nice does that sound? Yes that covers off everybody get into the ceremony. I guess you're signing of the register. Yeah and walking up the aisle. I'm assuming yeah, I guess so. Yeah and then June yeah, and then a good 45 minutes when everybody's out and having a kind of paying a nice glass of bubbly and she says trust me when I say this is enough for speciality acts. If you've hired a full five piece band than I would say probably for 40 minutes set should be the maximum. We really put our heart and soul into what we do and at the end of three thirty minutes, they're pretty spent. So that's if they go on and do sets in the evening she finishes by saying so I'd say choose something special for your ceremony and kind of pays the neither a band or a DJ take over. At the end so you can wipe it up a little bit. I had them a quartet the fuhrer my wedding you did so they did the ceremony so they played for about I think about 20 minutes or so as people sort of like coming in sitting down then they did the song that I walked up the artery which I requested from the I was actually on the wrappers for r k so they essentially had to learn it yet. It's worth asking actors. Obviously some of them older they might if they asses they have to all get together and practice their might want to charge a back. My particular abandoned and then they played during sign the register and then when I went back down the aisle again and they then played for an hour or so part of the canapes and drinks reception and okay, which is really lovely because there was a mixture of us saying some songs that we really liked. Yeah picking some that were already on, you know their list and them telling us what they found sort of Drew the crowd if you like so, it's always good to Get advice from your band because they're the people that experience. So even though you might really want them to play it. Yeah, I think it's really nice to give them a brief yet of what you want. But also take their advice on cook. Yeah. It's a no then experienced people in. Yeah. Absolutely. Why did you choose a string quartet just because that was the kind of a spaz out the venue and the theme of our wedding. I was talking earlier. Yeah. It was that kind of I don't know. It's quite it was very romantic. Yeah, and I just Brady love it. Yeah, I repairs no perspective. And there's no other occasion in my life. I was ever going to have a string quartet. Yeah. So for me, it was like from a ceremony. That's what I'm going to have and I referred to earlier we spent almost twenty percent of our budget on entertainment because for James and I that was something that was really important to us for me far more important more important than fashion flowers any of those things. We love music. Yeah. So on I wanted to incorporate Oh Chet. I had a Pianist for art just after the wedding breakfast yet. And then we had a full Mike essentially Rock Band for the evening and and when our guests sort of spoke about our wedding afterwards nearly all of them. The one thing they mentioned was music like so perfect. So enjoyed it. I'll know so enjoyed it all day and you know, it was great and the songs are great. And yeah people on the dance floor right up until literally the Clock Struck midnight and we had to turn it off. Yeah, but yeah, we so for me it was like it was money. Well spent yeah, see we spent hardly any of our budget on music or entertainment. Really. We had a set of playlists and we use the venue's PA system and it was hooked up to back in the day and iPad and that's what controlled most of our music all the way through the ceremony. Any their wedding breakfast was even all the background music to that was through the PA system and then we had a deejay on the evening who was my friends uncle so we just gave him a huge playlist and he and he took over at the end. So we hardly spent any bit that work for you know, it was perfect for us. Yeah. Are you gonna yeah. So like we say always your day your way to totally different, you know ideas but Behind the Music and entertainment we've both equally had the best Days of Our Lives. So yeah, it is all about doing what's most important to you talking about you having a quartet and just something I wanted to touch on is a way of having that classical element of a wedding with a Twist. We've got a supplier on the list called Joel Granger and he's a violinist but he plays with a loop pedal. Yes, if you guys seen his demo videos, no amazing. It's just a make people aware that these these really classic art. Forms, but available in such a more modern form so you can get a real mixture of both the classic and the modern and to be fair string quartets these days they're play all pop music as well and it just sounds so it sounds so good. So don't be put off by a string quartet if you think all the going to be a Mozart and that means nothing to you because largely maybe they will put some classic stuff in there but there's loads of modern songs and play as well. So if you like the thought of it but you put off by the idea of it being Classical it's not classical necessarily in that sense. Is it anyhow, it's very easy. Very cool ways towards the like if you hit at it now you're looking for take your band you listen to their demos and yeah, they're really great. Actually repertoire isn't quite right just send them an email. Yeah my ask them. Yo definitely do this you or anything else. Yeah, my sister booktube and for her wedding that was last month and she looked at their playlists and initially. She's like Sony and if you honor I don't but it would Just that they didn't have their entire playlist one on the website because I suppose what's the point and and also that they were like quite up firm requests. Yeah. Well, that's good, isn't it? Yeah, and it's not like, you know certain songs. They didn't necessarily have on their list that they would play at every wedding given the chance yet, but there was some songs that she requested that they played before. Yeah. Sure. So yeah, we'll just always asking yeah, it wasn't question. Yeah, and we were talking the other day weren't we when we were trying to put this content together about other forms of Live musical entertainment. We very almost had a steel drum band at our wedding very very nearly and part of me wishes maybe that we kind of had of done it to have it the drinks reception to really get people in the mood for what's to come in the wedding breakfast and evening and we're seeing we see quite a few mariachi bands as well. Don't worry, which I just think must be absolutely brilliant. And again, I've never seen one. I mean even like in real life definitely getting I'm more popular. Yeah, and I know Simon who edits the podcast he's well up for a mariachi band Yes there they've really lives filmed some weddings when they had them in this and we've got one on the list. So if that's up your street, you can go and check them out list again. It's all to do with that set in the tone of your day, isn't it? Yeah, choose the music and orb and that's representative of you and your day don't feel cornered into hand. What is traditional when you can have whatever it's like I was saying because it was like quite romantic and it Doesn't mean that we had to have well, yes, it just thought I chose could have had the steel drums with the dogs been amazing. Yeah, so we've covered up ceremony drinks reception. Then it's down to the wedding breakfast. I mentioned that we just use an iPod full of plate with a playlist on your as we had similar for that. Yeah, and I've seen lots of people do it off their mobile phones because obviously now you don't need an iPod you can do everything obvious Spotify playlist or whatever you use on your phone. My number one tip with that is make sure that the phone is on air. Airplane mode which is not something everyone thinks of the last thing you want is someone's phone ringing. I'm getting a text message halfway through and it cut in the music out and just going to put them and in terms of music for the evening. You've got three main options really so create your own playlist. Like we've just talked about and let it be controlled by trustworthy friend or to be warned as the night goes on that phone's going to get passed around and that playlist is going to get forwarded and rewound and yoram merry friends will probably take There are we question. Yes. So that's your first option make your own playlist. Your second option is have a DJ and your third option is to have a band or DJ unbuttoned. I suppose it's optional but yet because a lot of bands is that's a good thing to put out will offer to operate your playlist for you. Yeah, that's what I was did so we essentially gave them off of think the back that it was also an iPad, but would now be a phone or whatever it is. Yeah, and they then played it through there and make sure obviously sounds really great. Yeah because actually the venue. Use sound system wasn't as good as the band that makes sense. So they left their am out by right up until the last minute and then packed everything else away. Oh brilliant whilst they left out. Yeah. That's a really good question to ask you band isn't it about and we'll come on to that in just a second. What what happens when they're not playing? Yes, do they do J or do you need another DJ or what's the deal with that? We spoke to the mini big band who are a vintage swing band and ask them a couple questions to give you a bit of an insight as to what they do. On an evening wedding. They said we played to 60 Minutes sets a standard. However, we can do one long set if required. We then provide a free preset DJ service on iPad for before in between and after assets. This can work really well. But we do say that if you've plenty of time to fill are you going on to 1 a.m. Then a couple should really get their own DJ as well. So that goes that's similar to what we were just saying, isn't it where they will do that DJ, sir? Service in between their sets. I also asked them if they do requests because like we were just saying if the repertoire list is not right for you you really like the band is that something they cater for and they said we have a massive repertoire list. If it's on there, we're happy to perform it. We do take all the requests. Also some more quirky. We're always happy to help and try although if we feel that the instrumentation isn't right. Then we leave it. We've been requested rap tunes before and we're a swing band. So that's that's that goes back to be realistic. Your request expectations a rap songs, not moving a suit swing band is it and then can you can adapt song but it might be a little Touch Too Far. Yeah, we do charge a little for songs not in our repertoire which covers them being specifically arranged by our 10-piece band. So you said that as well didn't you that there might be an extra charge for? Yeah, and so if they have to practice they got to get together and practice that if anyone it to be right not in the relational, yeah. So again, just ask the questions and ones will be more than happy to answer any questions that you You've got I also approached the Redford's band which are also on the list to ask them. The three most requested songs that are guaranteed to get guests of all ages on the dance floor. So you might want to add these to your lists people your playlist Uptown Funk Mark Ronson 500 Miles The Proclaimers each their own and mr. Brightside by The Killers and we just say it's their own. There's the latter two on my list. - two miles of Proclaimers was what got everybody on the Dance Floor. I love everyone even my name but then the red fatigue no we're talking about do I also asked them about learning request specifically and they said that the Redford's will learn the first and father-daughter dance at no extra cost how lovely that so if that's out of their repertoire, they'll throw that in for free one thing to bear in mind. The band is might seem really obvious. But considering I've been doing this job for many years more than obvious to me. Is that some bands offer? A different amounts of people at different prices. So when I bought mine they were the band and there were six people in it and that was the cost and that was it right so I didn't even think to ask for anything else. Yeah, whereas some bands will have a starter cost yet safe or three members, although you might get like a keyboard player a guitarist and a singer but you might be able to pay extra to then get an additional singer. Okay, or drums. Yeah or whatever it might be. So it's They worth making sure that you really fully understand what you're going to get for the cost and how those costs if you get a much bigger band can escalate in terms of the space that you might need. You might need extra lighting you're going to need extra food because just FYI, you have to feed your suppliers obviously there for hours. I got to set up everything. I was looking at third so, you know paying for food for three years are different for paying for food for 10. Yeah. So bear that in mind as well when you putting all those costs together. Yeah. Yeah, I think throwing money at it doesn't necessarily make it better sometimes now, I imagine it can make it worse or more stressful. Yeah, you know, they've got to fit into a tiny space or yeah, there's much more production that goes behind it, isn't it? And yes sort of things. So yeah good point. Another thing to think about when it comes to bands. I'm just going back to the episode. We recorded with Ben and Alice in CZ reused to of the podcast that was episode 7 if you want to go and catch up on that is don't be fearful of using a music agency to book your band. He made a really Point that people feel like if they haven't spoken to the band directly. Yeah, then it's going to be a night where they feel that it's need to have to speak to them directly but actually don't need to because you know, obviously these lists into the right ye need to know. Yeah, you need something actually happy with them. But yeah, you're not necessarily going to deal face-to-face with the band now and that's that's okay. That's the way a lot of bands. Yeah. And yeah, that's the age this is job exactly. So it's the agency have got a good reputation. Then absolutely know what they're doing. Yeah. So from bands to GJ's only real quick thing to say on DJ's I suppose is always trying to see a DJ before you book them. If you can or at least get a recommendation or make sure they've got a good website so you can hear how well they are and yet what they're you know what they bring with them. Do they have the right lighting and things like that for you to get the full effect the air after one point to make about DJ's is to make sure you know exactly what you're getting and what is in your DJ's repertoire and they have the music that you like. So it's a really good idea to have a good chat with your DJ and a consultation if you can so you can be really upfront about it because for example, it's there's no point me being totally into Indie book. My DJ doesn't have any Indie music on his lighthouse it is exactly but you'll find the more you investigate DJ's that there's certain DJ's will have bigger repertoires with certain things because that's their especially understand exactly if you go in there. List and you look at the best men, for example there DJ's that we have on Supply directory who specialize in Indy. So if that's your kind of vibe and that's what you want most of it your wedding your better to have a specialist supplier like them. Yes, then, you know, just whoever the venue was recommended to you because they might not have anything that you want to listen to. So yeah, all I'm saying basically is research your DJ and make sure that they're going to be able to play a playlist that you really really happy with. Yeah, and that you think will end. Tay majority of your guests yet as well if in doubt visit the list and pick one from our supplier direct yet because we can promise you that they will be top-notch. Okay. So just to recap on the music element of the entertainment a couple of things just to bear in mind. So always check your timings with the venue. So how long has your DJ / band got to set up? What time can they arrive at the venue from? Where do they need to come back door front door at me? How does it work with yet? Where can they Park Reserve that but a lot of equipment? They unload the van through a side door or what. It might be. Make sure you ask that what time are they allowed to play their last song? What time is absolute cutoff for that? And also a point to remember is just check if your venues got a sound limiter because that might mean that your band has to restrict the volume to a certain which we have to say. Can I have quite a detrimental effect on yet the overall effects absolute and we've heard, you know various stories about venues who? You have quite a restriction like and and you know, and some bands have also heard will actually refused to play those venues because it's if it's not going to sound as it's supposed to do if you can't if they can't place their full potential then that's up to their reputation. And also it's the whole experience that your guests are going to have on the dance floor is yet it's so so just double check if there's a sound limiter and then you can discuss that with you band ever that suits them and if there is because you know, sometimes there are reasons why there is but the venue is like Like I really wanted to find you silent disco silent just saying this go boom. They're becoming much more popular aren't ya? I've never been to one again. Yeah, it was nice to create a wedding back. He's gonna go through these people from actual now. I know never had some steel drums and I had a gospel choir never had a silent disco our weddings in the vehement, but they are great and we get more wedding submitted these days don't we that have had time? Yeah goes. Yeah. I'm actually ones were like TP wedding. Things like that was to be outside in the countryside. Yeah, and you've got to be careful of like noise residents and everything else that might live nearby. Yeah. So that's another form of entertainment to consider as well. We put a second Instagram pull out about what your main forms of entertainment were. What do you think was the most popular answer out of any form of entertainment what you think they're identical one? See I said I abandon a DJ right Band still number one by a mile as well a band hit massively over everything else. The second most popular thing people having his photo booth. Okay. I love a photo but I do Anthony did tests them. He's like, I'm not getting in there with you all night getting this photo op right on a smile on. Yeah, and we've got loads of photobooth on the list. You can go and see one that I particularly like is the little red bus so you can use that as a form of Transport which can now as analyte take your guests the yeah, which is like vendor bit of a start of the entertainment because it's you know, yeah, we're cool. Short bus and then that turns into photo booth afterwards. How cool is that either? Yeah, I really like that idea. And you had a prop box didn't you your yeah. I didn't your own DIY photo booth. Yeah signs got some props. Mr. Cost about a tenner. Everyone has a whale of a time we've got one of our messages on our Instagram Paul was from yarema gasps. I'm sorry, but I'm pronouncing that incorrectly. She's having board games and a photo booth area that she sourcing or herself as well as the stability and that's a good point night. I know. So this is as we designed the minutes very music heavy because that is like the main focus of entertainment for weddings with assets has been proved by the Instagram people dude, but also it says she joined the drinks reception of thing, you know, you're having an outdoor wedding weather's great Garden games massively popular. Yeah Paul and we love this whole up slightly recycling. So we don't want to buy new yet have a look on eBay Absalom if your friends had a great wedding with some games. Yeah, you know, baby but her Chase or borrow those of them great for kids. Yes, really good, especially Yeah, so you can I you can have things specifically perhaps more idle focused. Yeah, there may be a little game of croquet. Yes. Why not but one of our most pinned images from a dedicated entertainments Pinterest board, which you should also check out our link to that in the show notes is of high Striker, which is the thing, you know, where your smack the thing and then the Bell goes up and that's trapped like the strong one thing where your concession here. I because Becky sends me some of the The light notes for the podcast and I saw the highest ranked outside, right? What did I ask what this is because I should probably know thinking it was some kind of like football-related game. I was a bit of a lead on the old wedding entertainment, but now I understand whether you go for anyone else. Who does that sound a thing is that you have to work with a mallet tip the by Striker High Striker. So that just goes to show that the garden games carnival-type Fairground pipe coconut oil. I went to the fate of the weekend. Kids absolutely loved and then it even thought in that bothered about what the prize was there anything with literally just the act of doing it the active smashing the coconut off standing one of our other most pinned images as well as of a DIY photo booth of frames hanging from a tree outside and then the people put their faces in them basically and then you take photos simple. But yeah just a really nice form of entertainment. Everyone wants a nice photo don't they? So things like that work really? Well Amy Rose were 13. She had a lot of stuff she had Hello, Justin. Uh, yeah Casino tables the caricaturist a crepe van a photo booth a coconut Saloon check her out. She was it's this whole earlier I said I was thing again. That's sorry speak out about that Saloon. She was you know, and at the high Striker. Yeah and what I liked about her entertainment is that she saw her crate van as a form of entertainment, isn't it what you want? Making it is exactly, you know, you get you know, something to discuss like have a conversation with with with people that you might not know that well. I don't know if everyone at the wedding exactly absolutely other forms of entertainment high on our Instagram poll list were we've just said the garden games they came up third in the list quickly followed by a DJ. So DJ was at forth. Okay, yeah in the list and then following that was magicians. Okay, you've been touring with magician before haven't you been to few have you been doing? I've not been to one single one. Yeah, but James my the heartless bit of magic. Yeah only because he tries to work out how they do it and know it ruin it for himself. The other thing we're seeing on the rise is tattoo and glitter stations as well face painting for adults is a she who got like a festival theme wedding very cool. Yeah, exactly and it's this whole like a piece of Jack or yeah guess participation. Yeah double whammy so anything like that or you know, like we've mentioned several Podcasts that this whole Bake-Off dessert station throughout giving it like says that we mention the creative an earlier giving people something great to eat The Conversation Piece something to look at and they get to have some okay. Yeah. Absolutely. It's doubling your value of your money yet. Exactly. It is one of the other things I really liked that came up on our Instagram poll was Sarah case Wayne said for her entertainment. I had a bus. Guy who played Loop hurdles that I found in Camden? How cool is that? Yeah, so she's your mother seems that you are a scam and play my literally watched him in Camden and thought you were pretty good. Would you play at my wedding please? Why not love that absolutely love that as I mentioned earlier. You can go to our designated Pinterest board find loads more ideas for entertainment including things that we've not even talked about like drag acts rodeos mini golf which is becoming more and more popular and I guess we need to end it by just saying a reminder not to overcomplicate it. Man with your entertainment like you said at the start allow your guests time to speak to each other. You don't need to have something fill in every second of the day because then people don't get to catch up and because they want to catch up there miss out on whatever entertainment you've got. Ya so don't over complicate things stick with your budget. Ask questions. Ask as many questions to these suppliers as you need to especially when it comes to your music as well. Yeah, actually you're getting exactly what you want. And you know what you're paying for. Yeah, cuz they're obviously the most expensive. Yeah form of entertainment and make sure Sure that your Venue here are booking a designation of any rather than the housing itself what their restrictions are what their timings are what the access is. So and you know, tell them who you've got books. Yeah and what their expectations are so that everyone is on the same page indeed think that's it Charles II think that's it. And that's it before we leave. I just want to mention the newsletter. If you're not already subscribed you can do so with great ease and you get a monthly account down email to your inbox just to see Of try and help keep you on track a little bit or give you a nudge about certain things that you might want to start thinking about organizing so you don't miss out on the best suppliers. So if you head to the blog and scroll down to the bottom, you can sign up for the newsletter there, and I will send it to you every month. Thanks for listening. Thank you. 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When it comes to wedding entertainment your choices are endless. It can be a huge deal for some couples who can spend up to 30%+ of their budget on it whereas other couples feel like good old fashioned conversation is the best form of wedding entertainment. As we always say, Your Day Your Way! We're here for whatever makes you the happiest. Wedding Entertainment In this episode of the podcast Charlotte and Becky talk about their own wedding entertainment; which was completely different. They look at he most popular types of entertainment and how to successfully choose your suppliers. Speaking of suppliers, check out The Redfords, Tobi Tobi, Joel Grainger, The Mini Big Bang, The Little Red Bus, The Best Men and more on our handpicked supplier directory The List. Find out the top floor fillers and what to expect from your wedding band too. And if in doubt - reach for the Billy Ray Cyrus. He makes an appearance in the episode a couple of times because you know, Billy Ray. Make sure you check out the weddings below for some fabulous wedding entertainment inspiration and don't forget to find more on our dedicated Pinterest board! On a side note - entertainment for kids coming in a separate episode :) Visit our show notes page for loads of DIY inspiration.

Good morning, Cowboys Nation. This is Bryson with inside the star.com and your host Cowboys weekly, and this is the first week of training camp for the Dallas Cowboys and so far. We got a few practices in the books a little bit of drama with Ezekiel Elliott and some. Ooh signings that are worth talking about with me this week as always is Cowboys weekly co-host and inside the star.com senior writer Jeff haynie. How are you doing today? Jess good buddy. Glad we have some new developments to talk about. Yeah, it's kind of a catch-22 there because new developments is early aren't always a good thing and we've got some bad ones going here. That's true. I want to talk about one thing. This is from Tuesday, and I want to see how you know what you think is going to be. I mean, this is just one of those questions. It's so loaded man Sean Lee hurt his knee on Tuesday and they're saying it's not, you know a bad deal, but they're going to have to take it very easy with them. And you know, I mean we were talking about this and one of the earlier episodes this year about Moving him back out there too strong side linebacker. It's not a position that we really expected him to do very well on the injury front, right? I think I'd said this last week that I'm very surprised that that would be their move to me you use one of your younger guys, you're like Jaylon Smith or someone else who's more of a bigger sturdier younger player for that physical Sam roll. But this is what the move they made and then you throw on that the fact that he was also going to play special teams and it was like you're just asking for him to get hurt at this point. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, I I just I don't know what to say about it. This isn't new, you know in the Cowboys front office. They know what they're doing, but we just move suggest maybe not I mean Sean Lee when healthy has been a phrase we have used now for almost a decade. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's healthy when healthy so there may not be a player in the NFL who is more thought about when it comes to being injury-prone then Sean Lee so you may now the Tony Romo retired. Well, yeah, which I that was a bum rap because of that injury prone. He was a bum rap. You're right. Yeah, whatever. No. Yeah. So I do find it very surprising that they put him at risk that way, of course, you know. To be fair. He has already had two veteran rest days in the course of just what a few days of training camp. So I mean they were trying to do some things to keep him healthy, but I mean it is what it is now. Thankfully, it doesn't look like it's a big injury sounds like it's just a you know an issue that might keep them out. You know, I didn't I didn't get the final word. Was it a it was just sprained, right? Yeah, sprain of the ligament of the knee. I don't remember if it was MCR MCL or KCl by saw MCL pretty sure it was MCL and that's an order MCL is not good because it that is a big one for cutting and lateral movement, which is huge for linebackers. But I mean that this is though the beauty of the situation we're in now, we're not talking about Sean Lee getting injured like we used to at this point. We're talking about the equivalent of Damien Wilson getting injured last year. So that's not nearly as big a deal. So thank goodness for Jaylon Smith and Vander Ash. Yeah, that is a very good thing. But and you know it his knee can be they can remove his knee and he can still bring value to that defensive group because you know, his brain is as much an asset is anything. Yeah, that's true. And I look forward to seeing Joe Thomas with more opportunities also. Yeah continuing with some of the training camp stuff. Let's look at let's say we got Blake jar one. And he's a he's someone that I really wasn't high on last year, you know in 2017. That was the year where I don't remember which team it was but they, you know game trying to poach him off the practice squad in Dekalb. It was the Eagles and the Cowboys quickly moved him over to the active roster to protect him and you know, he was just he was a name. I didn't know at the time very well and was surprised by the move but then comes last year and Jason wooden's retired and you know Jeff's Wayne's dealing with his usual. Shoes and what's his name? Basketball, dude, Rico Rico gathers. Why do I always forget Rico gathers Ricola and you won't have to remember them in a few weeks. You know, I think that I think he gets a bum rap with the team. I know that his performance isn't the reason he's not playing not that he's doing great, but he's doing good enough as far as the tide in groups go but you know the coaches just they don't like them. This is not a new story. This has been out for a couple of years. There's a coach who just does not personally prefer him and you know that can get in the way sometimes. But anyway back to the point Blake Darwin has kind of shown some soap last year made me forget all about Gavin Escobar, which was a couple of years too late my opinion and you know now with Jaden Jason wouldn't coming back this year. That's of course the story because Jason Witten is not a long-term solution. He's going to be here a year maybe. Be too if he stretches it if we win the Super Bowl this year, he's good done. After that. I don't see him coming back. There's no point. Yeah, but you know Blake Char one is still developing. He's still gaining experience. And you know, that's kind of the common perception out. There is that witten's return may actually hurt jar when because it's going to take away from his time and practice and on the field, you know, I I have to kind of agree with that but at the same time I also know witten's not coming back as a full time role leave it. Yeah, and you know what you just said about Sean Lee's mind as being a value at the linebacker position. I mean if Jason Witten is back with a mindset of he knows he's not Jason Witten anymore. He is what he is in 2019 and he's here to help the ways he can that one of the biggest ways he can help is as a coach. I don't I don't know much about Doug must Meyer as a tight ends coach, but I imagine Jason Witten can show these guys some things Doug knows. Arkan, yeah, so I'm gonna so I feel like as long as Witten has that willingness to share and I really think he does that's kind of player he is I don't think he'd be back if he if that wasn't part of the deal. So I'm looking forward to seeing the impact he has in that way. And as far as Darwin goes, I think he has asked the great athletic potential. It looks like from the things we've the flashes we've seen the things we're hearing from Camp right now. We know that three touchdown game in week 17 was an anomaly that would that game. You can't evaluate anything from that game because the Giants were so far done with that season in the Cowboys were basically playing for nothing. But so I mean, you can't take any much of anything from that game other than at least Dak Prescott and Blake Darwin knew how to connect when opportunities arose. Yeah, and that's going to be the key of course with an Leaving position on a football team is how well they are liked what kind of synchronicity they have with the quarterback, but don't seem to be crucial but don't sleep on Dalton Schultz either. I mean no. I'm I'm not I still go back to to last year's early pre-draft reports and the Word was in and even after he was drafted that he's Jason wouldn't like, you know, the things that they had him doing it was where was he from Stanford? I think so. Yeah, the things they had him doing out there. He was mostly a blocking tied end and that's really been one of the real strong suits with Witten taking away the Rapport that he had developed with Tony Romo, which was mainly passing game kind of stuff. When's a good blocker? He's solid and that to me. That's what Schultz reminded me of even looking at him. He looks like Jason Witten out there. The problem is to me. He looks like Jason Witten in 2015 not Some Whitman 2003. Yeah, now that that's true and you know, I do take some you know we go back to what you said about Darwin being poached by The Eagles say what we want about the eagles. They have known how to produce some tight ends. So if they had interest in Darwin that is worth noting for what you know in the Cowboys making that move to avoid losing him. So there's they clearly saw some potential the Eagles must have seen some potential. And we saw flashes of that toward the end of last year. So if this now this this third season for him getting Whitten in his ear, it could be pretty interesting. Yeah, and you know on the note of taking scouting critiques grades, whatever from what the Eagles are doing. Let's move onto a you know, new offensive coordinator Kellen Moore who has been from the very first practices of this training camp showing lots of pre-snap movement and I know what I think about that. What do you think about that? What do you think about the the prospect of not only having a new guy calling the plays that nobody knows that nobody has any film on but also is obvious desire to try to be confusing before the snap. It's beautiful. Thank you. Oh, it's absolutely beautiful. And it's one of those things that when you have a player who had at quarterback with with the versatility of Prescott. It just adds to that it gives you you've got now more ways to set up the variety of plays that you can run with that and I think that you know, we have several different players that really fit that bill Zeke's a good receiver. We have an underrated receiving Target at full bat in Jimmy's all the while a Linehan just didn't know how to use them the Raiders. I mean showed how to use him for several years. So I mean, I just think that we have different. Here's Tony Pollard Tavon Austin, we get them doing different things you throw that versatility on top of new looks pre-snap motion all of those things. I'm very excited. We are we've been complaining for years about the predictability of the Scott Linehan offense. So if we can that if that is the biggest change we see going to Kellen Moore that's a big deal. But for what we can tell there's not gonna be any actual. Changes to the Playbook. They're still going to run the same play book from 2017-2018. They're just it's just killing more throwing in new looks at the line to you know, try to get everybody off their paces. But I think that that's you know, those are the kind of wrinkles. You know, we talked we've talked before about when a new quarterback comes in like like when Nick Foles came in for Carson Wentz The Playbook didn't change. But what changed were certain aspects certain plays certain things that he was stronger or weaker at than went. Those are just wrinkles. So that's can make it. So we've seen the impact that that can make know the Playbook is not going to change a bunch. But you add you add some different nuances you give DAC some ability to do things at the line of scrimmage, you know, that's going to be a challenge for him. But I feel confident in his ability to do that and that is where I think those Little things on top of you know getting Travis Frederick back and what we hope are going to be upgraded receivers with Cooper and gallop and got cop maybe an upgrade at tight end with the development of these guys. There's just so many different wrinkles from what we've seen the last couple of years that could make an impact well, and then you have probably the biggest pre-snap movement of all that nobody ever sees with the run-pass option and you know, the whole controversy has surrounded Dak Prescott with the Cowboys and now that do you think we're going to see more of that under Kellam or we sure should we should uh-huh. I mean, I don't see why you would not run that given Prescott skill set and his body was about Linehan didn't run it last year. That's what I'm saying. Scott Linehan got fired. Okay, so we're just gonna drop it at that one off Scott Linehan did things right? He'd still be here drop it right on the gun dude feet. I mean, I you know, I I thought I was actually the one that tried I think a few weeks ago to say like I don't want to dance on this guy's grave because for the time he was here. He was a winning coach. Yeah, he worked and he overcame challenges. you're with changes in quarterbacks and suspended star running backs and things like that that he did that this team had you know for the most part has been winning every year that Scott Linehan has been part of it, but I think that they've been winning in spite of him in some cases, you know to me it kind of seemed like he got Like StarStruck on those just like he gets his players and he gets stuck on trying to work them in and then next thing you know, it's pretty much the same three or four plays for each of the players on the offense. You know, your Dez Bryant your Jason Witten. Oh, you're almost last prescod. You're particularly DeMarco Murray. I mean, it seems like he got they almost shell-shocked like he didn't know what to do. So he just kind of went with the Old Faithful and the only seven pole. Yeah 2017 was horrible from that standpoint because There's clearly was not Des anymore and we kept trying to use him like he was and and that was that is probably the least talked about reason the team went nine and seven that year. We throw at you Ezekiel suspension and tyrants Miss injury those were big factors, but we haven't talked enough about how poorly receiving targets where utilize that year. I am we're not going to now. Let's see in the past Dez Bryant has his only mention on this show. Well looking at something a little bit more. I want to say controversial to me. It's just it's just run-of-the-mill, but I know there are a lot of fans out there who have kind of lost their crap this week earlier in the week Dallas Cowboys re-signed Veteran running back Alfred Morris and The best the best thing that I can say the best thing that any of the experts have said is it is not a Zeke move. They need an experienced can't body. They don't need rookies only in Camp. They need somebody with experience and he's that guy and not only is he that guy he was willing to come in knowing he's that guy. Absolutely. I agree a hundred percent. I think I actually tweeted that earlier today that if the Cowboys were really worried about Ezekiel Elliott. They would have gone out and signed Jay ajayi a who's still floating around out there a player of consequence or maybe they make a trade for Duke Johnson that we can you know, we've been hearing about from Cleveland. Mmm. They made the move which which basically it helps them right now because like you said it gives them an Koreans veteran Camp who can actually execute the Playbook and then if they keep and pass Final Cuts, you know, we fully expect Zeke to be back. He brings value as a backup running back and if not his contract he signed a minimal contract almost heart. No guaranteed money. He's gone. It's it's not that he's a Band-Aid right now. That's all he is pretty much and I mean, I agree with them move. I mean, it's not just the fact that you need. Buddy, who knows the Playbook already and who knows the nuances of being a running back in the NFL but you need somebody who can kind of lead the guys that are in the debtor still at training camp you nosy Kelly. It's not there and they were talking about it. What did he do earlier in the week? No, it was last week what it was right before training camp a couple of days before he had the rest of the run the rookie running backs over at his place and at the star and he's having a meeting with them and going over things. They need that that's not something that Zeke was going above and beyond to do that's expected of him. He's a lead running back. He's a star rusher. Agreed I mean in that and that's a great sign to Zeke is not turn. He hasn't turned on the Cowboys. This is business that and I know I've seen people posting things about. Oh, I you know, I would play for a tenth of what he makes and I would and he should just be grateful Bubba Bubba Bubba. You don't live in this world. Being a podcasters no joke scripts recording and editing all take a ton of time. Even for advanced users the getting your podcast ready for the world doesn't have to be so tough Cowboys weekly is proud to use your Banker dot f m-- anchor is easiest way to make a podcast. It provides you with everything you need in one place that you can access from your phone or computer all for free creation tools allow you to record and edit your podcast to a sounds great all from the app and they'll distribute your podcast for you to Spotify Apple podcast through the I can't stand anymore plus you can easily make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. If you create a podcast or want to get started with one download the anchor app or go to Anchored on FM to get started now. You don't live in this guy's world. You don't have a prayer of ever playing in the NFL the people who say these things are I mean, yes, you would do this just like any of us would be happily handed a million dollars to do any number of things but we're not we're not even in the same mental universe is these players when it comes to their money, they're worth their lifestyle and all and all these different things. So spare us that crap, you know, it's just not relevant. He's doing what any of us would do in our job based on our market value based on other people and other businesses around us and what they make. Yeah, if we had agents who you know who their sole job was to focus on that. Yeah. Well, yeah, but we have to make our own agents in real life. Yeah, and we're not trying to do that. We don't have The experience we don't have the knowledge to do it and it doesn't matter how good you are at your job. That's not what this is. This is a contract negotiation its employment contract negotiation. And that's what the agents are really good at and the Agents solve as many problems as they create because that's what they do. This isn't a problem for his equally this is a problem for the Cowboys right now because it's a distraction we're having to deal with it. But you know, that's the nature of business in the NFL and more on that topic. Of course, we had Jerry Jones. He did a interview With CBS 11 s Bill Jones at a DFW and there is a particular quote a particular line from this interview that has gotten so much Play It's been in almost every headline and I mean to spend people have been shutting it down for days now and it's still going out there. And of course the line is that we don't need a rushing Champion to win a Super Bowl and you know, everybody's kind of leaves it at that. We're not going to do that. At and this one here, we're going to listen to a clip and this is the Full Clip. You're going to hear Bill Jones asks a question and you're going to hear Jerry Jones entire answer is Ezekiel Elliott to this Cowboys team what Emmitt Smith was to the 90s Calpers? Well, of course M Ed had participated in a Super Bowl being the first rushing champ. This is very important. First time ever a rushing Champion was on a Super Bowl winning team that point there is You don't have to have a rushing Champion to win a Super Bowl. But M. It was the first one to do it. And that's one of the dilemmas that running back is that the league knows that you can win Super Bowls and not have the Emmitt Smith back there or not have Zeke back there consequently when we are looking and putting Zeke's contract in place. We've got to realize that the ultimate goal is to win. In the Super Bowl and so you've got to do all of the things along with having Zeke that allow you to have other players so that you can win the Super Bowl and that's what we're going through and I'd have to say that he's spot-on with that. That's exactly what the Cowboys are going through. They're trying to and it's more so accentuated in this particular circumstance than I think it usually is because it's not only that are trying to retain Ezekiel Elliott who is a rush Champion were trying to also retain Dak Prescott and Amari Cooper and Byron Jones after we just took care of Demarcus Lawrence. There's a lot that's going on with this team right now. And yeah, we started with the big salary cap for this year, but that's down to under 25 million now, you know, so we're back down into a pretty pedestrian number and they have to figure out how to work all this stuff within that but more to his point about we don't need that rushing Champion for winning a Super Bowl. There's more to the Super Bowl teams than whether or not they have a rushing champion at running back, right? Yeah, I mean you tell me of the last out of the last 20 years all these teams that won Super Bowls that didn't have rushing Champions. What did they have? They had good quarterbacks. Not just good. They had Tom Brady Ben Roethlisberger Peyton Manning Drew Brees here in Rogers recitals and said no now I'm stopping there. But but that's my point. I and I wrote about this today go to inside the star.com and look it up for even more detail. But out of the last 18 Super Bowls in the 2000s. Those guys I just mentioned Brady Manning rothsburgher Rogers Breeze Wilson have accounted for 13 of the 18 wins. Wow, and the other five were Eli Manning with to Joe Flacco with one Nick Foles with one and Brad Johnson with one Brad Johnson had an all-time legendary defense. He was the bus driver for that and a very good running game with Ward done in Mike alstott. Hmm Eli Flacco foals These are all guys who know we don't think of them as Elite passers, but they got hot at the right time and ran that through the championship. Yeah for that year they were illegally exactly so, you know, none of these teams had a rushing Champion the only other player to do it other than M it to be a Russian champion in a Super Bowl champion and Senior. Was that one year with Darrell Davis and Denver. That's it. In all these years could even argue that the Packers just drop that one. Yeah. That was my that was my argument. I was screaming at the TV. Come on. What are you doing Favre? Yeah. So there is absolute legitimacy to what Jerry is saying you cannot deny. The problem is you have Dak Prescott and you're stuck with that Prescott because you cannot risk starting over with a quarterback. You have too much invested in this team and this offensive line and Demarcus Lawrence and other things that you would lose your Championship window. If you start trying to find a better quarterback through the draft or or even in free agency and as we as we covered not too long ago, it's not reliable at all to look for a quarterback through the draft. I mean look at what happened in 2016 before they picked up deck. They tried to trade to get Paxton Lynch. Where is he now exactly where all those guys that Are taken ahead of Dak Prescott. Now, there are two there are two that are actually doing anything in the league. Right? And they're they're not just doing anything. They're doing a lot. You know, you're talking about Golf and when's exactly so the point here is they have who they have at quarterback. He's really good. I think that on average he is a better quarterback than Joe Flacco, Nick Foles and especially late. You know, hot or cold Eli Manning. Hang on what who you're getting that week or that quarter. But with with Doc you have to give him what he needs to win and and until he proves otherwise until he takes that next step forward in his game, which he has not done yet. He needs Ezekiel Elliott to win a Super Bowl. Yeah, and you know, we haven't really had any chance any opportunity whatsoever to see how it fares in the other direction with Ezekiel Elliott on the field and Dak Prescott. Not the only times we saw that it was a few snaps years ago with their couple years ago with Cooper Roche and that was that was just game management. That's all that was. He didn't throw the ball didn't attempt throw the ball. It was all hand offs. So we haven't 2015 is a pretty good idea. What this team would look like without that Prescott in my opinion. We don't know that we hope so but 2016. That was also the art sorry 2015. That was also the year of Joseph Randle. True, but I mean that was also Darren McFadden with thousand yard rusher and who else what's his name? We talking about and who else Joel Randall Joe Randall Darren McFadden and you lost me. There was a third guy. I don't think so. There was a third guy. There was a third shooter up on I was pretty sure it's Alfred Morris 15 and 16 and then he was gone for 17, but it was a bit more sister 16 and 17. Okay, we're going to scrap that deviant erase. Just put a red flag right in that spot on the time not know. It was pretty much McFadden and Randall that here. Yeah, McFadden a grand old. There'll be some Dunbar dad to it was yeah, see we came full circle. We didn't have described that but now we have to scrap that. Yeah. Yeah see Lance Dunbar that's a name that I it's in one ear and out the other I forgot them completely because he never did anything but this front office who which is largely still intact. It's been a couple of changes, but it's hard to help us out of the ball. It's still largely intact still run by Jason Garrett. You know, you're still running the Playbook that linehan's been calling from I mean, do you do you change out the wide receivers coach you change out the tight ends coach, you know, but most of it's still the same there Lance Dunbar was picked by these guys. He was picked more than once they fought for him at one point and it didn't work. So my greater point with that is is much like the horrid string of mediocrity between Troy Aikman and Tony Romo, we kind of had that same thing for the most part going between Emmitt Smith and DeMarco Murray for the year that he flashed and we're lucky that we didn't continue with that again that we were able to pick up Zeke but we had to do so with the number four overall pick we had to spend a lot of capital to get that and You do that for a reason, you know, you don't do that because the guy requires his quarterback to be in there whether he's good or not the quarterback. So I think that I would like to see the reverse of this. You know, we've said that Dak Prescott means Ezekiel Elliott on the field, you know, and we've seen that there were other factors that mixed in but that was a contributing factor. We don't know that as a you Elliott needs Dak Prescott on the field. That's true, but I'm not risking the future of the franchise on Cooper Rush. My quite what's his face Taryn Christian. Yeah. I mean you can't do it we have who we have right now not and not just a quarterback. Like I said, this offensive line has a limited window at this point tyrants. Miss only got a few more good years. Probably Demarcus Lawrence is in his prime, but that Prime could in very quickly. With with a pass rusher and just throughout the team. We have a lot of good young players, but if you're talking about your best chance to win a Super Bowl with your mix of young talent and established Stars it is now it is the next couple of years and you have to run with what you've got and and it is it is a very harsh reality about the salary cap and what running backs make and how much value they We have if we could find a guy we talked about this last week, but you know, even at what he's making right now Zeke is still one of the higher paid running backs in the NFL. That's right. Especially if you look at his salary for next year on his fifth year old when he goes up to 9 million in his fifth year option. He's already the fifth highest paid running back in the NFL then so if we could find a guy that could produce and pay him only seven eight million a year good. But how are you going to find? Are you going to really risk losing Elliot on the hope of finding that guy and basically tossing this year away? You can't afford to do it. Exactly and you know, I don't know. I don't know if I agree with paying him quite so much money and it has nothing to do honestly with the way the Cowboys evaluate that position and what their value is as was established with DeMarco Murray. I don't know if I agree with that. I don't know if I agree with with a lot of things out there really what it is to me is it's just a lot of money per year and maybe I'm just stuck in an old school mentality. I automatically and immediately reject any references that NFL players make to the NBA style of paying their players. Yeah, they have so many more games so few players that is just an unrealistic idea that can never happen in the NFL it simply cannot happen. It's too grueling of a game. Too many players to be able to get through it and there's just not enough games and you can add many more. You know, I'd like to see him at a couple more as we talked about a couple of weeks ago, but you know, that's my big deal. And if you're talking about what's girlies contract for years 57 million. Yeah, that's what Zeke is wanting to best and that's that's a lot of money. I mean, you're talking 14 15 million a year, and I don't I don't know but then again we still don't know. Know exactly what the contract details are that the Cowboys have offered him and make no mistake. He's in Cabo right now. But he's there working same as he did during his suspension in 2017. It looks bad my immediate reaction to seeing that he was going to Cabo was what the hell are you doing? Dude? You're gonna go down there what dehydrate and relax no now that they didn't, you know, that was my own thing. And thankfully, I've got a nice private setting with, you know, all the inside the star staff I can share that. It and get it out of my system and not be a complete idiot and say that to the world but you know, he's down there doing his work and he's also closer to you know, Southern Cal if that's where he needs to be to get up there quicker when something that's going through there are conversations happening back and forth on the contract deal the Cowboys made an offer earlier this week. And from what I'm gathering from various sources like Patrick Walker over at a CBS Sports there that the sticking point right now is a a little bit of the guaranteed money in some language in the contract which I mean you can't blame Jerry Jones Stephen Jones anybody on the Cowboys Organization for having some language in the contract that is equally its agents might find questionable Ezekiel Elliott is Ezekiel Elliott Smith unquestionable. He said he is one very minor dumb phrase away from a suspension. Yeah, and you know that That is probably my biggest argument for this whole thing Ezekiel. Elliott wants to get some Assurance for his future. That's what this is about. This isn't about necessarily how much money he has paid. It is about being under contract with guarantees that can take care of him. Should the worst happen, you know and Week 1 he could be signed on his current deal. He could go out week one and God forbid. He could totally destroy his knee and never play again and in which case he He's in his mid 20s, and he's living on 16 million dollars. Most of which is already been spent and he's got to go get a job. You know, that's not what he's prepared for for his life. These players are usually done by the time that 35 unless you're Tom Brady or a kicker and they've got that's a reality they have to deal with but at the same time the Dallas Cowboys and I think the fans want and deserve some assured some assurance that he's not going to do something else stupid that we're not going to say. Okay, we're going to give you a you know, 35. Guaranteed on your contract and then watch you go out there and pull somebody else's titty out of their shirt. Well, and that's where I think I wish I knew more about NFL contract law, but to me you can guarantee put in all sorts of guarantees for injury, but then you put in also Clauses that void guarantees based on personal conduct issues. Yes, and it's not NFL law. It's just general contract law on the the typical thing that what we always hear but there's the NFL is there CBA rules that going back that which I canti can't put in the contract. I understand that. It's a governing contract over these so smaller contracts. I mean I get that what we always hear is a personal conduct policy is actually a moral turpitude clause which is exactly kind of what it sounds like it's about the morality of the person in that contract. And if you violate that stuff it can cost you things that are in the contract and it's written in that way and who knows what they did they may have just been a little bit too. Vague as far as getting in trouble again and what actually constitutes getting in trouble and you know how that AA it could be that one suspension of they could have worded as one suspension of any length during the time of this contract it could cut the guaranteed money in half and they want that quality and then then Zeke's team wants that qualify because he could get a suspension for getting in a fight on in the field. I mean there's a lot there things that can happen. So yeah, they want to make sure that everything is very clear. There's no way ambiguous terminology. If there are going to be caught moral Clauses like that and I think that you know, we all would love this. We sort of have this notion that you know, it would be so nice if DAC Ana Mari and seek would all agree to take less money so we can all play together forever and went and compete for titles and wouldn't that be so wonderful, but you know, none of these guys are married. You one of the most famous supermodels in the world so that Brady mentality of I'm going to take less money for the team. It doesn't work for it for the rest of these guys in the NFL. Well there it's not it's not even just that Brady is where he is for as long as he has been because of the results of that. They've gotten that is a once-in-a-lifetime pairing between him and Bill Belichick who as much as I don't like is an absolute genius when it comes to keeping the other team unsettled not being predictable and I'm sorry, but if you're in that situation like Tom Brady has been and you know it at some point you you worry a little bit less about the money. I'm worried a little bit more about the greatness you leave behind because you sacrificed a little bit right? It's absolutely true. But that's that's been one of my biggest things in All of this is don't call the guy greedy. It is not greedy to get what you think you're worth know and what he has proven he is worth. And it's not greedy to you know want to know where you're going to be sleeping in a year. Yeah, you know that that's really what we're talking about. This is how this guy makes his living. Yeah, could he do other things absolutely even if he gets injured eats a lot of things you could be very successful but this is million a year though. This is what he's been doing since he was in kindergarten. Yeah, yeah, and he has get outside of the personal conduct stuff. He has given this team everything he has he has he has played he has been a Workhorse. He has taken the risks that come with that. There is a proven history of risk that comes when you give a player the amount of carries that he and touches that he's had and he's approached. He's a taken every one of them with a pretty Fearless attitude. Yeah. He doesn't worry. As much about his own safety he worries about moving that ball exactly. So, you know it you can say what you want about. Whether or not it's the best thing for the team and that is the big debate Zeke's doing what's best for Zeke. And that's what every player should do. Yeah, but what's best for the Cowboys is the big debate and the salary cap, you know, I threw this out there today if we didn't have a salary cap. It would be so amazing because we have the ultimate owner for that situation. Oh, yeah, and we endless Posh we would never have to talk about any of this stuff. So it's just it's an unfortunate reality IV. I've also seen that that people are saying well, we'll Jerry's Being Greedy or Jerry's being miserly by not signing see he would give seek every dime and more that he wants if he could but he can't it's a budget there are limits. You know, I've actually seen that to that people are He's greedy for you know not signing him sooner. Well, I mean at what point are you supposed to start void now agreed to years on a contract, you know, I mean Zeke's already he's holding out with two years left on his contract. Should he do it at 30 years. She did it for years, you know, and I've heard the argument that well he didn't really have much of a say in what that contract was because it was a rookie deal on a first rounder at that and really sorry. Sorry, you got drafted fourth overall and have made more than most running backs that your position even on their second contracts. I mean, I'm sorry, you're 21 years old and just got ahead of a 16 and a half million dollar check and get to go do what you love for a living every day in front of millions and millions of people worldwide. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's not weak form either. Yeah. This is one of the things I mean, even if okay, let's just, you know, say for shit's sake even if we did do that. What happens to the entire draft process after that contracts? Then are no longer valid? You cannot negotiate on bad faith. No, and that's something that this next CBA is going to have to figure out because at this point the fifth year option thing is not working because players are desperate to avoid it. It's like the new franchise tag, that's exactly what it is. And so especially for running backs and that's I don't think that they I've actually seen this proposed that Mo maybe they come up with different contract rules for running back. She can't do that. You cannot get into that. I mean players have to be equal to a So I think that this is going to be a big Topic in this CBA. I think we will see some changes in when players can hold out and all that stuff. And actually it's kind of interesting. We talked recently about the NFL using the 18-game schedule as leverage Point click get something like they want that and so they're going to give up something else like marijuana rulings and things like that, right? I think that this stuff with Holdouts is a big thing. The NFL wants also wants to get settled that the owners want to fix. So this is I think this will be a major topic next year in the CPA and I'm not so certain that it's just the NFL that it will the NFL in the the franchise is I don't think it's something that they want alone. This isn't good for the players either. I mean Zeke has hurt his reputation to listen three times in the last week just because of having to respond to and take action. It comes to his own contract and hold. I'll status. I mean you're talking about merchandising and stuff like that. What was it in 2016? Was it him? Or was it DAC that actually led the league and rookie jersey sales that year if it whichever one it was the other one was number two. So right, you know these things that they matter, you know, you have you so much as eat because you probably still had Romo fans that weren't going to buy that Jersey probably but then it's that it's the quarterback to its at that winning. That they went on you know that get the things like that. They don't go they don't get attributed to a running back to get attributed to a quarterback by DJ so, you know, it might have been that but it's just one of those things you don't. Well, you're talking about this all day long. It's a wrap up but it's almost like you could take some of the mechanisms. We already have in place. For example, like there's the pay-for-performance escalators you could start to you could start to broaden the scope of that to account for some of these rookies who grossly outperformed their contracts or you could look at if you hit certain In certain Milestones within your first couple years, maybe it allows you to enter unrestricted for maybe it helps avoid the last year of your rookie deal or it gives you a player option or something like that like you earn the ability to enter free agency sooner. I mean there's there maybe they'll come up with things like that. But and that's another thing. You also have to remember that. There are rules in the league that aren't publicized very well. We don't know most of these very much. We're all learning pretty well about One of them right now and that's how the NFL handles first round rookies acquiring their ra free agent status at the end of that contract and as we've heard that Ezekiel Elliott, he's running out of time. He has leverage right now, but the closer we get to the August 6 deadline for when he has to be on the roster and actually at Camp doing work as how its defined the the less leverage he has because after that date, His first year of expected free agency Cowboys will still owned his contract. They will still own the right to him. He's going to lose out on some options and at that point he screwed, you know, so this this not only needs to be a very deliberate carefully thought-out process. It needs to be expedient for Ezekiel Elliott sake as well as the Dallas Cowboys what what I one thing. I remember I was talking to someone about this recently and one thing I could definitely see happen. Ying is that they're going to get rid of the ability to franchise a player twice, I think that's going to go away and I think that we could see where if you use the 5th root your option on a first-round pick then you cannot franchise him the following year because I think that has been one of Zeke's biggest fears here is that he plays this year he get he he plays on the fifth year option then it gets franchise now, he's 26 or 27 and suddenly he's an old running back and he can't get a top dollar. Anymore and I think that's been his biggest concern maybe in all this is not what might happen in 2020, but what could happen if the process is allowed to play out for the next couple of years and you know in closing we're going to go and wrap this up. I'll give you a chance to respond to this as well. But anybody who's paid attention to what I say or what I write knows that I've disagreed with the structure throughout the offseason for which players are allowed to even You know participate in team drills and things like that. And this whole deal was shown only this this week. It's that's brought it right up to me. It's not necessarily that he did anything drastic to hurt himself. It's nothing like that more likely based on the history of the NFL which you know goes by where in our hundredth anniversary year. So, I mean that's a lot of history. If you go back to before that really probably what the biggest issue is is that he had to take so much time off from doing football. Things from even just unpadded going through the motions at speed like we used to do earlier and earlier in the year than we do. Now. It allows those ligaments to step and just a little bit it requires so much more stretching, but there is only so much stretching you can do if you've ever had any of these kind of injuries, you know, you cannot stretch enough every time the greatest way to stay in shape is to keep doing the things you need to be in shape for so what I think I think we're seeing now is that the last bargaining agreement almost 10 years ago. Now the collective bargaining agreement or other it went into effect in even severely reduced all of this time in the offseason that they can do anything to keep themselves in shape. It's has made It's basically created this issue we have now. We're right now with Ezekiel Elliott and any player who is holding out and when you're talking about 50 or options and second-year franchise tags. Yeah, they're getting a lot of money, but this isn't about money. They're going to get the money a team is going to pay these players what they are worth. The problem is whether or not they're guaranteed to be paid. If something happens in a game in a job where something happening is not only likely it's expected. Often than not it has created this problem. So I think That's what we're going to see is like you were saying they're going to try to find ways to do away with the fifth year option. They're going to try to find ways to do away with the second year franchise tag, the one-year franchise tag, that's kind of a desperation move. We're never going to get rid of that. And honestly, we probably shouldn't because sometimes that is just all there is and it does pay very well. Maybe it'll be a little bit better, you know, when they get rid of the second one, but the idea is to get away from the idea to get away from the possibility of a player being forced. To a one-year contract because of what it does for their security going forward. I think that's what we're going to see. I agree. I feel like that that that is coming and it like you were saying we have to player safety is not just about concussions now, I'm if we're really going to talk about player safety. We have to give them the opportunities to do the conditioning work that they need to do to avoid the soft tissue injuries. I agree with you a hundred percent on that. So I do Think we're going to see some changes across the board with that stuff. What right now we are all this thing about less less practice less contact has been reactionary to the concussion issue. Yeah, and we're on the we're too far in the other side now, so they've got to get back to the middle somewhere. Yep. That's the whole goal. Get back to the middle find what works best and I don't know if I have every confidence and D Maurice Smith, but I do believe that the nflpa is Headed in the right direction and has learned what they needed to from the last to the current collective bargaining agreement and basically how bent over they got from that they were going to see a lot of changes with that and there's a lot of interesting points. But for now we are still ongoing in training camp. We're still ongoing in the Ezekiel Elliott Saga of 2019 and we are going to continue to Monitor and come back with you next week for more again. Thank everybody for for listening. For subscribing our listener count is going up steadily week to week and love seeing that please continue to keep sharing it and you know, feel free to interact with us with Jess. You can catch him easiest on Twitter at Cowboys addicts. 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Well, well, well... it seems the Dallas Cowboys have officially started training camp and that's awesome because it means we're SO CLOSE to Cowboys football, but there are a few bumps in the road to get there. This week, Jess and I talk a little about camp and more: Sean Lee's latest injury only confirms what many of us have been worried about since his move to SAM linebacker was announced for 2019 TE Blake Jarwin is returning for his third season and, after bolstering his value to the team in 2018, he's moving nicely, but will Witten's return negatively affect him? The Cowboys signed RB Alfred Morris this week, raising concerns about the team's commitment to Ezekiel Elliott; should we be concerned by this? Ezekiel Elliott heads to Mexico during his holdout, Jerry Jones states in an interview that DAL doesn't need a "rushing champion to win a Super Bowl," and an extended discussion on Zeke's perspective, the team's perspective, and how the NFL may change in the coming years as a result of situations like the one Zeke finds himself in this year As we roll thru our second month of Cowboys Weekly, things are looking up. Our listener count is steadily increasing week over week and that's entirely because of you! We don't promote this podcast too much beyond sharing it to our flagship accounts on Facebook and Twitter, so our growth is most attributable to you, our listeners. Thanks for sharing and coming back each week as we figure this all out. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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Just want to get the better. Bring him down. Take a snapshot shouting see how I would not I told my ear is making your camera little particle. It does not much happening on NXT, but we can talk about Evans head to know how much your your moves not being on be without about that. There's things on be time. It's a constant, you know evolution of this stuff going on Welcome to the NXT after show. It happened tonight joining me to my left and only one here on the set is the queen of Toronto. It's not it's not kauai's not running that show out. There. It is the woman who reinvented cocoa butter and I can attest for that. It is the queen of wrestling. She kind of runs everything TK Trinidad. Thank you. What's up guys? Yes, Joseph I am I may God be with me this week. But you know, I'm happy get glad to be back. That's me on NXT watch a little bit of take over. So, you know is what it is. That's what it is and then congratulations. I know I didn't well. Yeah you were on the show last week when congratulations to John Moxie. He won the was I PG o Japan Pro Wrestling title. So, you know, we'll get that out of the way. So you guys know we're in uses that in Japan and I am DJ AM Alexander for those of you who forgot Yeah, yeah, I'm still around and Evans not here. So shout out to my boy. He's out there doing things. And today. I've I have breaking news from everyone's heard about it. The mayor did not become the mayor but he's still the mayor so take it for what it means flow. But the mayor I'll still call him the mayor NXT takeover 25. That's the talk right now. You guys talked about on Rossum? We're going to but no one saw you so I mean you just heard you were hurt. Ya the lights went out or something not down there taking my come out, but the voices sounded good, you know, it came through well in the car and all it was a great show. I know it sucks when you have a good show. Yeah. Yeah celebrate sometimes things happen. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about it. Now. That was like I said, there's been 25 and I think she takeovers and they're usually really good but this one for some reason stands out to me like one of The I think might be one of the top five of them that day done. Okay. Yeah. I just think I match quality wise like it was just high flying. Everyone was going I didn't see Adam Cole was winning that one either. So that was a surprise in that sense. I just thought it was good from top to bottom even how they book the matches, you know from the start and they had storylines for yeah, pretty much. I think that storyline for every match where it made sense like we're you know, why these two individuals are going together and even though Princeton chain and baesler one leg retained her her belt. It's like it's still understandable and they're actually moving on from that but it's it makes sense. Yeah, no, everything made sense and what riddle started us out with Roderick strong. I believe that what's happened? It's been a few days. That was a heck of a man. I don't know what's happening at Rideau. I do too and I like the when he started a knee kick the flip-flops that that was pretty ballsy. I mean that's his move, but I might but he's just like his in-ring skills. Yes, they've won me over. Wait what I know rewind me for like two months ago somebody in in the social Universe cut that and pin it to Twitter. Wow, just the guy I could see Champion for sure potential with him now. Like I think he's in the right path. I know this is this is I'm you know, maybe this is wow hold coming over or something, but I've been consistent on this lately. I really liked a guy in a ring. I still would like to change a bro gimmick when he gets Higher level, I don't think it's going to work ultimately, but I can see him with a gimmick alteration. I could see him as slight alteration as on the level of like a Drew McIntyre in a main roster something like that someone that's a dramatic day. It was getting over not the current one. Not The Bodyguard. Yeah, I think Matt riddle, you know, obviously the slight modification unless they do something totally different meaning like they cut his hair and do something with right. You want to keep him somewhat smell, you know, maybe just give her the the surf or you can keep the Bro think to a Emmett it depends because even dream I've said it plenty of times where I feel like he's great at NXT, but carrying it over to the main roster. I'm not so sure and I love what he's doing now. I just don't know if it's going to get the pop in the main rest. Yeah, because he's got a unique game for NXT and it's only really the major kind of gimmicky gimmick that they have on the show. Everyone's kind of more, you know, I guess Basic and Away Now Keith leak the key. Please actually developing at a good Pace meaning that like people who are in these knew who he was and he came to NXT then we didn't see him for a little bit and then we saw him and who did he have a match with today? So today our Kona Reeves, let's go into. This will go back to take over. Let's start over here with to Madison oversight start. Yeah. No, that's fine. It's actually works. We're going to get the stuff out of the way and get back to your Mac. That's right all the max out there. Keith Lee versus gonna reset Corner he's been doing those the kind of Backstage appearance. We see him once in a while occasionally and whenever they presented me he was kind of gimmicky, you know, you see that what's he whose I guess kind of a riddle ish gimmick and a way. Yeah, he was doing like photo shoots. And yeah and like the kind of Blended him, but when he's in a ring and just kind of without gimmicks, he's solid like I liked what I saw from him tonight. Yes, definitely believable match. Yeah, it was believable and Keithley goes over and now I think it's a Time. They're going to push keighley do it. Now, you know his music his personality. It's just like he the package is there it's like when he first debuted they kind of knew what they were going to do or he kind of knew what he's gonna do and when this kind of I want I want to call a reek reincarnation, but this version it's like they just bumped it up a notch and I like this version. This is a believable version. This is a believable version meaning that we could see him every week or every other week, you know battling it. Order to get a belt he kind of reminds me of a blend of Biggie and Mark Henry. He could be Mark Henry with just the physical appearance but intimidating look and he's a big guy too, but he moves more like biggie, but he's a great moving around. He's got he's got a comedic thing to him. So he's got Personality. Yeah, that dudes not a small do know he's not at all and he could move in a ring for that guy that size. So I think he's kind of a Mark Henry biggie mix and which is a really good thing and that way because she He can do both imposing intimidate you date are kind of role, but he can also move in a drink and if you want him to do more kind of skits, and you know have more personality can show down to his facial expressions with you if you run back the tape and you see one he's sitting on the mat and it's like he I think he did a kip up or something like that or he's about to do one and you see his facial expression where he's just like frustrated like that's not like that's not easy or hard. You know, I'm saying it's like, you know, you can think it but to actually do Facial expression is like has captured and stop. Yeah, it's the nuances. Yeah ring, you know, I mean that to get overlooked a lot of ways SOL SOL match Keith Lee picks up a win, you know, I kind of like these two matched up so I don't know they're going to continue but I'm glad keighley went over because conus us time. He was just seeing the beginning. Yeah, I think let me know in the chat because I think he beat him before too. I'm a couple months ago because this is not the first time first first go around, but I do want to see him with other people. And see how those interactions are. Yeah, I think it's time to start moving him up the ladder and XT. Yeah, you know because I could see my two main roster you could fill in there's a spot for him for sure. Yeah. So yeah any faction know they I mean by himself is okay, but in fact going to be great and that's the thing about him. You can do multiple Paschal you can put them in a new day if you wanted to big he's out for a while and then you can put them as you want a bodyguard for Shane or someone like that. What a what a way to introduce keighley. Yes, right they know because they have that Anything like that, they've been around for a while around and like like newcomers be okay, but I want someone new and kind of fans might not be aware of you bring for Shane. You can debut him as a mall or a monster right away. I want to turn him he'll and he'd be over right away. Yeah, you know that way so there's options would keighley if they want to move him up and I'm glad he's picking up wins. He's gaining steam that way me and him and Bianca two weeks and I've been calling it it is the end of Bianca. I don't mean that you think she's gonna be called up or meaning. No, I think she's with baronessa Boren BNP BNP. I don't it's been over her husband just won the belt. It doesn't matter. I feel too much more over than he is. She's been moreover the yeah, I feel too with that. What they a major disservice. I mean, they posted the pictures when he won the belt obviously because people know they're married a major the services that you know, she didn't come running up like, oh my God you wanted like she's nowhere to be seen right? I don't think that was any fault of hers. I think that's just how they scripted it, but why? Not use, especially if they're open about it on social media Mary. Is there Mary solution shittim it right? Yeah. Yeah, it's just yeah, I hope I hope not everybody knows I'm a huge fan of Bianca. I don't know if they were going to move her to Ross. I think they would have done it already with initial move because what we're after it doesn't matter. I think she could she could he would be buried on the main roster for sure. Maybe know she would look at Amber Moon Yeah there. Yeah, that's a good point. Look at Naomi. Yeah, like like that. We should get the girls out of the van now so quickly. So I think that Triple H is just waiting because I but you can't have her loose clean. You cannot have her loose clean to him. Especially me. I ain't because Mia, let's face it. She's she's kind of they actually a faction. They should be on the same side because they're both they both have, you know, the right words, they're both of the culture meaning that well me and hims have black. So that's one thing but they're both of the culture of meaning that their interest music is similar. It's very hip hop base is very Urban base. It's like why don't they just become a faction and then go up against Shayna and the Gang they could the only thing with me I in where I can see toast our potential for Bianca. Is that she's not she doesn't she's forgettable because I yeah, I don't there's nothing about her. It's catchy or that stands out like she's just she's solid in a ring. She's and maybe she's a quiet person, you know, you can't force it upon some but there's nothing that stands out about I'm like, oh I remember me. Yeah. Well like every time she wins with Bianca Bianca, I think oh man Bianca lost again, you know. Well, that's the same thing with keighley when he first didn't like it Keithley has a unique look and you know, he's like a guy with a you You need girl. She's half asian, like she had she's a half. Asian. I believe she's like from Northern California. There's there's certain things about her that makes her different but I think she needs a gimmick that she needs something because right now she's very basic and I saw many ways, you know, she just like another wrestler, you know, like a generic wrestler. Well, that's one thing. I think they're testing her too because Bianca already has her thing. Oh, yes for sure. Yes, they are bearing her some burying her somewhat because the undefeated thing they could have used that all the way to smack him on to. Yeah, but I think Mium, they're testing our because even luckily he does have a personality. He did have personality when he first debuted but they worked out some Kinks where now he came back and everything about him is on is a spot on now. So I think they're just trying to find what the angle is for her like what little thing they have to tweak in or because she's a solid wrestler. She's been wrestling forever. Right? So it's just like a rental season get the probably find that little thing that they need to tweak in order to have her pot her winning these matches. Not putting her over though. I think it's way it means more for Bianca to lose. It's a bigger deal than me up picking up when it's like oh you be Beyond got twice like she's still not she still does not sure I mean, he still loves that. She's not over you know like to do is look at the merchandise. I don't think me and him has Merchant. She might have one sure Tony child anyone's buying it or seen it. Let us know. Yeah, but I'm just worried about being it's been a downward spiral since that undefeated when she lost that game and it hasn't risen in any point. When has she kind of shown promise every sense, but maybe that's the thing though. Maybe maybe hopefully they're setting up for because she can't let's let's be honest, so she's not going to roll so far down beneath Vanessa born and she can't write she's a copy has your much already. Yeah, so maybe they're Lettin her cool off a bit in order to do a ramp up in order for her to get the belt and then transition on the thing is she's a heel now if this was a face they could have He'll run, you know, it's like I'm sick of losing and then she just goes kind of you know, Haywire in that sense. But now how do you do that with a heel already that stopped but I think change a character shingle face because How's that gonna help? Well, she can she love to switch up a few things, but I honestly think that she can do I think she definitely need she can't go after Shane alone. I mean she can but storyline wise I think would make more sense that she has some type of backing as well. I think me and him is perfect. Meaning that she still developing her character character her character development. However, if her and Bianca match up then they both have this character and now they're both going after Shana or Bianca's going after Shanna and medium is backing her up because Shane is going to get idea someone needs to start and find a stable to measure up against Shayna. Yeah. She knows the only one with a stable and all these women are I guess you're kind of seeing what Candles larae now helping out to it's slightly a snail with a need more. They need more the style. Hella weird. Yeah. It's like just walking behind you and didn't say nothing. Yeah, I know what a sheath and the about it take over right thing. But when a couple months ago, she was walking behind Johnny like she's always walking up behind people and she just yeah, she should be in front of everything right and especially in a ring. Yeah, and maybe it is a character built development to Candace. It's like they're trying to find because let's be honest what we talked about on Raw with Lacey Evans and Charlotte mean that people were getting or somebody was getting them confused. Fused it's like you can't confuse them. No way no way right away. So the thing with Candace is may be with her because she's blonde because she's white it's like you need to do something. So she's standing out against the rest of people on the XT and the rest of the world main roster and maybe that's what they're trying to figure out that could be. I don't know. I mean at least we're seeing more of her on TV because we weren't seeing her regularly. Yeah. Now these there's a purpose to shower every week. Well, I mean, yes and no, I mean her walking behind Eros like All y'all friends now. When did I have in like I know like I'm going to help you. Yeah, it's like Nikki cross and and Alexa Bliss is like what? This is this is this is okay. This will be doing begin of help. You guys can help us out there. Yeah, all of you tuning in and chat and watching. Hey you all you have you seen this stuff real creepy laughter fantastic and I'm getting interrupted here all of you at home. It's me, Jim Alexander, you know we can do if you're not in chat right now, you can subscribe just click that button, you know, take your finger if you have those like cool screens. Yeah, just press on that or just take your mouse over and you know what to do subscribe if you're Chat join us right now. We need to hear feedback. 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Current because we're probably won't see me Sheena Sheena has got to drop it at SummerSlam. Yeah, who she dropped? Yeah. I only see Bianca's the viable one that could yes. Yes, and no meaning that is she staying in NXT her along with the force. The the her being part of the four horsewomen is she doesn't drop it and they're still there and they have another faction to go against they can extend it a little bit. They need a fashion don't yeah because right now who's challenging one individual and And they get crushed right? Well, yeah because it and that's the thing if you had cariann deal together. Yeah, then it's like, okay. Well now you could see them matching up and you could do doubles you can do singles whatever but now there's nobody there's no viable option. Chelsey greens should be coming in sooner or later as well. Yeah. So, you know, we have a few people that are in the locker room that we haven't seen yet, but I definitely think so. Here's to wrap all that up. Shane is Shana doesn't drop the belt. She needs to have she and the crew needs to have a legitimate crew to go against agreed is Shana does drop the belt the viable option is Bianca Blair Bel Air. So but that means Shana should be moving up. Right so one of those two options need to happen Shana drops the belt and she still next T. It'll be kind of weird to be weird. No, you can't do that. You just can't do it after dropping if they have a faction then Shana could be going back after bucks. That's what she did before. She got some buildings. She's gonna try retain the belt all the way up to WrestleMania next year. That's impossible to it. Just depends you just I don't need to be a faction right now. Yeah right now because to get us over the next few months. Yeah that and then that was it for the matches but we had to promos we had Tyler Breeze shouldn't I like to you guys coming back? Did he say he's coming back? He said he's staying in NXT. He's here to stay. So Tyler Breeze, I guess making a fish. I'm glad when this guy gets screen time. He looks good. I mean and he's more over than he will ever be on the roster at this. Right. This is a way for him to rejuvenate his career and he can get back to the main roster and be actually in a midcard level. I feel just keep him around here on NXT. We saw him wrestle at take over and he can work in a rank. He's got the mic skills, you know and and the gimmick I like what I'm seeing. I'm glad they're utilizing him. I wish there's other towns on the main roster couldn't come over and do the same thing but kind of revitalize themselves like he's done, but I hope they keep it up. I'm glad he's sticking around. I mean, he was definitely a great competitor. Against dream like yeah and the characters lying dog, Japan and they dream about the teen do they take The Velveteen? I was it Velveteen doing stuff. I think they use both. Okay from the dream. I think Marshall calls him to dream but then somebody in the chat. Oh Charlene and chat says sorry to like go back. They said our the horse women ready. And I don't think they are ready. You don't I think they've been ready for a way to go to the main roster. Yeah as as a faction not a separate because you separated. We don't know anything about father to well. That's why I'm saying that's why we almost Another faction so we can see the horse women and that's what they're doing. That's all they know they make the rest next week. Okay, fine the rest of their doing SEO and Ken this are going against the horse won't really fine. So I think if they do that and now we're seeing where they are ring wise then yes, but I don't think Shana should go up without them. That's too much of a story line right there that storyline. Yeah. No, it's a built-in story. Yeah before before they even started WWE agreed. So yeah, but Tyler, I mean commend him I after the thing with other wrestlers not going back, you know, the thing that it's in Florida. Yeah, as far as training wise also their stuff family because if they're older wrestlers family or your girlfriend, so I think maybe he's just more juicy like yeah, you know, I'm saying like he can he can afford to that but have kids in school because you're living in a different state right? You need to leave ruin the show's. Oh, yeah. So command and then this might put them over in order for him to make to judge that it's only good stir. It's only a good thing. I don't see anything and then we have the priest come in. I'd love this club gimmick. I like this cool Damien. Priest. I love the promo on the guys chilling a club. He's like a baller. I like it. I'm digging it. I'm excited to see him. I hope they don't really because so far to promo looks good. I like that. It's a simple character in a way, but it's cool. I get that like that from yes like yo, he's coming. Yeah, he's coming. He's coming from the club's you don't see him say anything just kind of get the side shots of him and all data. Like the lighting so well executed promo there. I'm excited to see him and what he's gonna do in a ring and yeah, hopefully it should yeah, I think hopefully they're gonna put him over and you know use them. Well, yeah, I think after WrestleMania NXT went into this little like, I don't know if they felt that way but it felt like oh, you know where they going to do now and looks like they've had all these plans barring. Nobody gets injured. I think you know in the next coming weeks were going to see what's happening leading up to SummerSlam, and I think it'll be exciting. And for a lot of folks know it's exciting time. It's an exciting time when the Boudoir is getting ready to get cranked up. I've been waiting. Always new things to add to the Boudoir. Oh my goodness. So we got keep leaf for sure. Just like I said, like I said before he's you know, he had maybe like 60% of the package when we last saw him now, I think he's up to 80 like everything as far as facial expressions Etc Maria and the Chad's Louis throwing up stop, you know, you loved it and then also kind of like we should put her up more can this larae? Yes, I Three because that she's doing that walk away. She has a Bangin body. Hey that works and you know what? I think this is going to be a regular Bianca Blair. I'm feeling it. I like it. Bianca's always been in my style that I love her. I mean she does. Yes, even the EST if you got she has a YouTube page the St. Sheet cut it out and she's like she does all that stuff and then she does some of her husband's outfits to man. Bianca's tell it all around. I love it. I love it. So she's in a boudoir. Our for sure Charlene and the chances. I remember Jim's first Boudoir. When I remember the first Boudoir when Jim was awkwardly chair shaking that's where we've graduated those days moved to the of course. I need a Boudoir Mandy Rose. I'm always there for you and I like sup Liz That's right. Oh my gosh out to bury mac. Oh, yeah and all the max out there. I'll do you see Bianca we see here on the screen right now. Damn that can't believe she makes her own outfits. That is so well done and the hair to ya hands from the Boudoir is brought to you by Center in skincare and candles for everybody who's listening to us on YouTube Spotify also the stuff if you go to Center in and you put the promo code AfterBuzz TV you get 10% off of any of your purchases, so that's can't cocoa butter candles by All that good stuff. So if you're watching and supporting and you want to support my company as well because that's what brought you the Boudoir. You can type an AfterBuzz TV and you get a nice little discount and it smells good I can attest for that. It's real the whites poison. Cocoa butter. Hey, just say I'm gonna find you believe it. Okay, I'm gonna smells really good. I mean, I'm like hey sold. Oh my goodness next NXT takeover 25. We're going right back into sweet covered, right? Well, we like him. I like him. I can't believe I'm saying that let's go to the women's match. We would be talking a little bit about Shane. I just kind of did you like what y'all did at the end kind of showing that an instruction? Yeah, I kind of like that. But then that's the thing though whether she gonna do now. I mean, I think they did her a disservice. I understand they're building her but I think they did a did her a disservice bringing Kyrie over to main roster. Maybe your then we're going to move her to I've been thinking that whole faction would page. I think that faction would be great Bobby a real dumb, but they could have done that. They could have done that faction SummerSlam and that's SummerSlam. Yeah SummerSlam because it's like Ian and I believe it on there on Smackdown, right? Yeah. I think I'm couple weeks behind Smackdown, but I feel like with Oscar. She's been she rolled back down to the bottom of the hill. She could have done the bottom of the hill for a couple more months a couple more weeks for they brought the money we could make some kind of a new day where they could alternate in a sense and or like the Undisputed era. Nate them, you know and have them wrestle different. You never know who you're gonna get in a match or get the titles and kind of switching between each other really cool. Yeah, there is no reason why I mean one their friends. Yeah, so it's not like actually actual Asian. Let's put you together. It's definitely not not that but I think already work with each other and iced tea. So you've seen already the connection there and Yak team work that they've done I think anything can be gay. I think I'd be a good resurgent for Resurgence for osca because Oscar I had a good good run. Came to WWE and then like we've talked about many times. They just fry much or Charlotte pretty much squash that and you know, we've been seeing Oscar try to she she has gotten the belt and we've seen Oscar just trying to figure out like she's not as over as she was when she first got to have me laughter. That's so true Velveteen and Tyler Breeze. I like that match. I thought it was a really good match. I said it would steal the show and they put on a heck of a show. I mean some of those moves it was back and forth. You didn't know who's going to win at some point Robin team comes out on top. I thought they scripted that one perfectly and they really executed great. Yeah. That was a great match tall great story to unranked Stein the selfie at the I don't that was so perfect. It's fitting everything was fitting with that gimmick and storyline and they really put on a great show together. It's like the puzzle pieces fit, you know, sometimes you watch her and things you like. What is this? Why is this happening? All of that made sense? And it made sense for dream to retain it. However at Tyler's remaining in NXT, that's a good few that you can span in till some. Yeah. No you can keep That one rolling Street profits want to tag-team titles and what I was so surprised and I was doing the math of the car. So we have Street profits. We have double teen dream. We have Kofi Kingston. Well, so no new data is have championships. No. No, they are that's like three so maybe the BMP maybe they're actually listening solving right maybe the action but I was surprised they want but I mean heck, you know good for them. That was a surprise win and I like they're backstage. Was that backstage? For this was it for this episode? Yeah. Okay, they're backstage where they pulled the guy the day one guy. I shout the Usos. That was amazing. That was cool. I like the fact that everybody had the Red Cups, even though you know, it's kind of borderline, but they're encouraging it then, you know, I'm cool with it finally last but not least my boy Johnny Gargano. He's your boy now. That's I feel bad for him. I actually feel bad for Johnny are you know, I thought he was going to win and I kind of was hoping he would win I would need to do after you won though. What is he going to do now? Well, isn't he studying were you here for that episode? He's starting to like he's doing he's also do shit. Yeah some stuff. So career over ready for Johnny. I mean, well I had him I didn't have high hopes for him. But man, I at least thought he's gonna have a longer run than this if that's the case. He has he could definitely go over to and which I believe which I think they should we need more people in 205. So he weight is I've been watching 205 eccentric still on 205 or is because I haven't Come on, he made his debut on Raw nothing to put them back to Tool Time. Um, please let me know in the chat. Yeah, cuz I still haven't seen him. I draw. Yeah, you were supposed to be on right? Yeah was against a shot Johnny. He can go on 205 they did they definitely need more people on 205 because what I've been saying people have been hating on me for the longest time. What's how you were saying it? Yeah. Well, it's how you truth. It's knows how you're saying because your it seem like you're taking away his wrestling. Act like an amazing rest him and Cole put on a hell of a match. I'll say that they really worked it and they were going at it. That was a heck of a match. So in rank they made it work, you know, yeah and coals. I mean, he's solid. I just don't seem on a Next Level. I think he's kind of the second Reincarnation of Johnny Gargano in a way really the little bit more Charisma. I don't see my name it he's small and an amazing OST the size. She's not gonna get over like that. I mean, he's like, yeah why not? He's not ricocheted. That he doesn't have that special it that can get them over onto me roster faction, maybe but he's at best ad best Adam Cole is a midcourt low-mid Carter on the main level low mid Carter at Best close my case. I don't know. I think you can I you can go either way with him. Like he's not I can see for instance keighley getting over more than Adam Cole. No, but It just depends on people fans are fickle meaning that they might like you for no reason whatsoever. And everybody might be get get behind you just because a personality or they might not like you it just depends on how what rent is what resonates with them. So I think depending on when he debuts who he goes up against all that all those factors because some people can come over and it doesn't matter what factors it is. They're going to get over right right some people come over and depending Who they had a match with the gimmick that they had their how good they were on the mic it they're really big on social media. All those factors might the put them over to a point where it's just like crazy. I just think he has a similar path to Johnny. There's too much similarity between those two guys. I mean I call is like the heel and he's got a faction cool, but I think the faction for coal would be that would be well I would happen for sure because I don't know what he does as a singles. Yeah, they would have to come over as a faction. I just don't have High Hopes. I think I mean, it's cool though. He won, you know and everyone going Adam Cole baby. Yeah, I know. I know Matt get the main roster. I don't think so. I think baby would be baby tonight. It is all over for you Adam Cole. I know Mac is probably just like shaking using right now somewhere, but after he finished saving lives, I'm not telling you anything. You already don't know out there. So I said it was Johnny now, he's going to be in production. Maybe Adam Cole can join them like a year or so so that take that baby. I think Charlene asked me about the the red cup gimmick. Um the which language should break up the Solo cups for who shoot profits. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna hit I much shouting. I'm kind of a hip. You don't need it to get over. They don't need it to get over but it's also a reference to slightly. I want to say racial slightly. I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes I feel it. Sometimes I don't it just it's always Of awkward being a person of color and you see that in certain communities and you see it on mainstream and you know, it is what it is. If they like it then I love it. They don't have an issue with it. Then it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? So I think that's the thing for it anything else. No anyone talking about how they're replicating my moves at home, right? Everyone's like trying out my moves at home right now. Not only does he know our says Adam Cole vs. Dream for take over that be good. That would be good. I loved like that. Actually I was that's a good matchup. But both titles on the line winner take all our free and drops it. Here's I wanted like I wanted Matt riddle at SummerSlam takeover going for could do to Belt type thing like going for it up and I see Championship not even a North American Hmm. I feel like what riddle versus Adam Cole I think it works storyline wise because he's riddles already taking out Roderick strong and he's kind of going one by one put on this pewter are I feel like a dream drops the belt he has to move over like I don't know what he would do. Yeah, there's unless he gets NXT chants give his gimmicks and his mic skills are just so there and and and Beth Phoenix said it best to like he he does social media and he's so good at it too. So good. But he's so on top of it where he doesn't put too much out there like you see what you see what he wants you to see and he does on everything his personal life in WWE how he does interviews how he does like how he does it has promos like everything is very calculated. He's very smart on his own gimmick, right? And he does a good job at I like him a lot. Yeah. So I feel like if he does drop the belt. Well, I mean he I think he's creating probably. A sixty eighty percent of what we're seeing on Devon on the next T. So I feel like he drops the bail. He'll be able to make it work either way. So I just don't want to see him move up and then get lost in the yeah. I mean that's the always the worry, you know, and we've seen that too much like yeah Ricochet he'll survive just doing promos and a back no one's really getting over to last like lies. Yeah last few people. They process Lacy Evans legitimately. That's the only one that's nearly remote in all of them have star potential. I really think like Ricochet and Alistair. You can do good things with them Lars. I think they're trying to cash a up too quickly. We may be people and it's kind of like didn't have a ready Feud from that's the problem. They moved them off. They hype them up and it's like what what's next? Well, I feel like you have if you watch NXT there's a high connection that you watch either raw or Smackdown up some some capacity or you know, what's going on. Okay, so, you know, for instance when Becky when Becky moved up Charlotte moved up Sasha all anybody who's familiar with them because they've been backing not everybody the people from NXT were familiar with them because the them back in them for so long and you saw their growth in their potential. Yeah with Ricochet if you don't watch Lucia, if you're not familiar with Indie, you know, he was in an XT for a hot minute. So the NIH the folks the NXT Universe couldn't get behind his storyline and you know recite his Saga of how he got two main roster now, he's on my roster. So he doesn't have like the fans of NXT really behind them because they didn't give the fans of NXT. A chance to get behind them. You know I'm saying. Yeah, it's like every stage of life for every stage of wherever it's like you need some people who are backing you and there's nobody backing you then it's hard to get that push. If you have all these folks from NXT saying damn ricocheted the desert he's done this he has the story on he hasn't then it's like oh shit, like I need to watch it to I need to support him too. But you're like, oh, yeah, he's amazing the right he's good. And then what else you know, yeah, I completely agree. I think they kind of missed the boat on that. You can still Salvage him, but right now he's in no man's land. Glad as they say you says Ricochet Ricochet was in XT for a year and a year only. Hmm. Yeah been longer and he's been here all his life. So Leo rush to what I mean. He had amazing. Well, you know, that's a whole other can yeah, they're an amazing skills. You would Grant Annex he was great on NXT is great on 205 and then you know he moved over to Ron had a great thing with oh boy Lashley. Yeah lastly and you know, he kind of shot himself in the foot with that but he had he had the annoyance of oh my God. I'm just losing so many names too. Italian styling from New York, you know, I'm talking about Enzo. Yeah, he had the skills of an Enzo. Yeah and the annoyance of Enzo but not to that level right and you brought and then left it's almost like End Zone to this terrible. Huh? You know what happens if your this is kind of dirty we need to wash this and that no cleaning things up and We Know Better Way tell him how to get that cocoa butter and then clean up and smell good TK. All right. Y'all want some cocoa bear some candles on it. Good stuff. You can go to Center in company.com. If you are watching us on YouTube or listening to us. You can type in the promo till promo code AfterBuzz TV and get a discount there on top of that. You can follow me on everything at TK Trinidad. There you go and me you can find me at the gym Alexander real talker. Everything's Journey right now real talker dicom. You get some good not dirty content. It's reall kakaako 12 what happens after 12:00 with me? 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This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. Take so long to to talk about that Dragon thing man. Took me a huge took me a long long time to figure out how to separate that out from the other archetypes. You know, it was all right. All right, so I'm going to bang through a bunch of images here. And so That's an alchemical. Illustration, it's really cool this thing it's weird so you can see that the okay so you can think about this as a map of psychological development or you can think about this as a representation of how potential reveals itself in actuality and it sort of works from the bottom up. So the first thing you see there is that container and if you notice the dragon is emitting sperm into this thing that's like an egg. So and then this egg thing has wings and that's the round chaos I was talking about before it's the container of the you can think about it. You can think about it as the container of what matters. And one of the ways of really thinking about of organizing your framework. So that these this way of understanding can work for you is to start thinking about the world as being made out of what matters. And then you come into contact that now and then when you come into contact with something that matters now Heidegger had an idea like this by the way, Heidegger was very interested in he thought Western philosophy had gone off its tracks in some sense with Socrates, which I think is unfair. I think what happened is that Western philosophy developed immensely in One Direction and left some other directions not very developed. So I don't think it's fair to say that Socrates like derailed us. But he helped us blow up and really a lot in One Direction but Heidegger said look nothing about for a while. It's too rational. It's too limited and it misses the central issue for Heidegger. The central issue is what is being now. You might have heard about David Chalmers anybody ever heard of David Chalmers? Okay. So David Chalmers got famous because he made this question about Consciousness. He said, There's the hard problem and the easy problem of Consciousness. The hard problem is is why we are conscious because his notion which I think is I don't know what to make of it. Really? I've never been that fond of it is that we could just as easily be totally deterministic zombies machines with no consciousness whatsoever. It's like or we can't figure out why we couldn't be like that, you know, we could build a robot. Hypothetically that did everything that we did that was. Conscious now, maybe we couldn't but maybe we could so then what is consciousness and why is it I think that's formulated that question is formulated in properly because I think the hard question is way harder than Chalmers hard question because the question of being is a harder question. The question of being is why is there anything at all and what is it that is and and I don't think that's distinguishable from the from the hard question because In some sense. There isn't anything without Consciousness or that's one way of looking at things now. So that's the container of what matters and then out of that. That's very that's as Generalized an abstract as you can possibly get it's it's what similar across every instance of what matters now Heidegger also thought that our basic orientation to the world was one of care because he was trying to qualify or experience. What is our experience like or he would say what is human being like and one of the things he said is well, it seems to involve care we care about things or we don't care about them. But but care is Central to what it means to be human. and so the contact between those that set of ideas in this is that one of the aspects of being is That it matters now. Sometimes it doesn't matter at all. That's what it appears to be but it looks like we're still concerned about what matters were very hurt when nothing matters anymore. Right? And I would say part of what happens when nothing matters anymore as we're completely blinded by our map the map is blinding us completely to the possibilities of being we spiral downward as a consequence of that. So what's happening here is that what matters itself first manifest itself in this horrific dragon-like form because it's so because what you don't understand and what's anomalous to you is certainly capable of devouring you. But it's paradoxical and this is why these archetypes are also so complex because logical people always say everything is either one thing. It's not itself and the opposite of itself at the same time, but and that's a like it's a prerequisite for for the world that you can apprehend logically, but the problem with that is it's wrong lots of things are what they are and what and the opposite of what they are at the same time. Human beings are like that like you Hate someone in love them at the same time no problem and they could be a hateable and a lovable object at exactly the same time and life can be wonderful and tragic and cruel at the same time. It's like so the archetypes are actually partly there. So to help us represent entities or experiences or classes of experience that don't have a logical framework. We can't separate the bloody things out they always confront us as a as a unity and so the dragon figure The predatory reptile is like that because you might say without the predatory reptile. There's no gold. And then you might ask well is the reptile worth the gold. It's like well maybe the goal is worth more than the reptile mean. That's basically what human beings are betting on, you know, we're betting that if we confront the unknown And We Gather the treasure for gathered the information as a consequence that will help us beat the dragon. There's there's the the gold is BET is more than the Dragon. Better be but we're betting on that and that is not Terror management. That's a whole different idea. It's a whole different idea. It's not a delusion or an illusion. It's a bet and part of the bat is this is a Kierkegaard Ian idea. You don't know that's true, but you could live as if it's true and Kierkegaard would say. If you live as if it's true, then it might become true, but you'll never know unless you try to live as if it's true. And that's the Act of Faith from a character Guardian perspective. You have to a priority decide that that will work and then you have to follow it and you have to be willing to see where it leads now. I talked about this in one of my other classes. I think I finally got it right in some ways. This is something worth thinking about because I think this is this is a critical choice that people make so here's two ways to use language. Like let's say I'm going to pick up a girl in a bar. Alright, so I have a goal in mind and the goal is sort of the girls irrelevant to the goal insofar as she could be another girl. So it's it's a psychopathic goal in some ways because really really because the individual doesn't matter it is I'm serious about that. It's a so what I'm going to do say if I'm a pickup artist. I follow these pickup artists online a because I'm so curious about their use of psychology and all they ever do Come up with it's like a whole horde of man talking about how to deceive and manipulate women. It's extraordinarily interesting and extremely Psychopathic and and also it's very very very very very unsophisticated and unskilled because what the guys are their lumps basically and what they're trying to do is to acquire the veneer of sophistication and that's Psychopathic. So anyways, that's my my little Spiel on pickup artists, but they're very interesting. So what they're doing Is teaching their followers instrumental language? It's so if you want to sleep with a girl here's how to do it. Here's how to manipulate her. You know, they have a bunch of tricks like wear an expensive watch and dress up and also don't just dress up so dress up rich roughly speaking, but also add something peculiar to your wardrobe like something that really stands out as somewhat odd, they call that peacocking so that the girl can see that not only are you rich and successful but you've got that little bit of individuality that sets you apart from all the Rich and successful guys, you know and so that's like an Osiris Horus combination basically, but it's all bullshit because the guys aren't like that so it's so so and then they have all these little routines they use that are verbal routines and they have these guys they go to the bar with to help them with their little routines and it's like it's completely what are they doing? They're using language instrumentally. They have a goal in mind which is their goal and they know that what the goal is and they know that the goal is right insofar as they're pursuing the goal and then they're willing to say anything. thing To obtain that goal. Now you think well, I think that's the instrumental use of language. What do you do if you're not using instrumental language, that's interesting. What you do is you try to communicate about the situation and your response to the situation whatever it is as clearly and accurately and articulately as you possibly can all the time and see what happens. that's a whole different thing because the proposition there is to the degree that you're Transforming your experience into reality into articulated reality the things that will follow from that will be the best things that can possibly be even if you don't know what they are. So there's an openness in that approach. It's like I'm going to conduct my relationship with person X in the most truthful possible Manner and I'm going to see what happens and then I'm also going to assume that whatever happens is the best thing that could have happened because like how the hell do you know if it's the best thing? Could have happened maybe the person's all offended and irritated. I've seen this with my clients a lot. So especially with the agreeable one say because they're all bent out of shape with resentment because they're not saying something you know, and so and you know, and because they're not saying something they're getting shepherded into some situation. They don't want to be in like maybe they are they have to go live with someone they don't want to live with and they don't want to you know Express themselves because that will hurt someone's feelings. It's like so we talked about that in a bunch and we figure out how you could say what you actually think. And usually what happens is they say it they get in a whole bunch of trouble and then two days later the problem goes away. So they're afraid to say what they're actually using silence instrumentally basically because their idea is I don't want to fight with you. Well, so how do I not fight with you? I don't say anything that will upset you. It's like well upset you win exactly. You know, like if you if you're an intimate partner with someone and you see them doing something stupid repeatedly that is going to lead them into a pit in like a month or two months or a year five years. You don't get to say well I'm not going to fight with you just because that'll be trouble because sooner or later they're going to fall in a pit and that's going to be trouble to so you're not doing them any damn favors. You're just for stalling the catastrophe. Into the future. It's not helpful where instead you could say. Well, here's how it looks to me. And this is you know, how it looks it looks to me like this is where this is going and you probably don't want to go there and even if you do I'm not going to Aid and abet it and then they're going to get all upset and they're going to tell you that you're interfering and that you're mean and that you're cruel that you can only see the bad and things and if you withstand all that and they're going to get really angry and stomp out and if you can withstand that then they're going to cry and tell you you're you know, a son of a bitch in mean and that they never want to talk to you. Again, and then they'll go home and think about it and a week later. They'll come back and say I never want to see you again. Probably not or they'll say jeez, you know, I thought about that and what you said made sense and I'm going to do I'm going to try to do something about it. So But you have to decide to begin with whether or not you whether or not you're willing to risk the consequences of the truth. And that doesn't mean you get to use the truth as a weapon. I mean, that's not truthful. You can use the truth as a weapon, you know, if you see someone who's Perhaps not as attractive as they could be you could say you're rather ugly, you know, which in some sense is the truth. It's a statement about but it's not the truth at all because for it to be the truth. It has to be embedded. What it really has to be is embedded in the Osiris Horus pyramid, you know, what the outer rims has to serve the entire function of that integrated unit. It has to serve tradition. It has to serve Enlightenment. It has to serve. And if it isn't doing any of those things, it's not the truth. Even if it's the truth in this local tiny slice, you know, I I just told you the truth. It's like no you didn't you took a little fragment of what could be interpreted to be the truth and you turned it into a bat and then you hit me with the bat and then you defended Yourself by a false argument that's claiming that when you use the truth in a local manner like that. You're actually moral. It's right. That's not true. It's incredibly deceptive because you know the best way to To deceive someone is to sort of tell them the truth and then you not only you can really get the person then a because not only are you innocent because you told the truth, they're even more guilty because they're too weak to handle the truth. So man, you can really Wallop someone with that. So anyways That's the container of what matters in its first manifests itself in this potentially horrific form. And so then the question is well, are you willing to confront that and in what way are you willing to confront it and then out of that arises? At the very top that's illumination, you know, it's maybe the night first. I think that's a crescent moon. Although I might be wrong about that. I think it's a crescent moon. What arises out of that is the contents of the unconsciousness and then finally illumination, you know, so it's like Horace arising from the depths. It's a story of transformation the transformation of what matters into illumination. That's what that means. So, this is Jonah and what happened to Jonah roughly speaking is that God told him he was supposed to go somewhere and he didn't want to go there and so he got on a boat and then there was a big storm and none of the sailors knew why the storm came up and Jonah finally said, well, it's probably my fault because God told me to go do something and I didn't want to do it and so God sent this storm. So they take Joan and they throw him off the boat, you know, and he's okay with that because it's his fault and then the waters calm and then this big whale Thumbs up and swallows them and then it spits them in out on the ground three days later. Roughly speaking. So what's the idea there? Well, it's a complicated one. The first idea is that if you're cold you better listen, that's the first idea and you know, people modern people never believe that they're called to do anything, but that's because they're not very bright and they don't pay any attention and you know perfectly well that you're called to do things because now and then you know that you should have said something you know it right sometimes you don't know should have you said something should have you not said something. You don't know so fine. You're not culpable, but lots of times you bloody well know that you should have done something or you should have said something or you shouldn't have done. Something or you shouldn't have said something and you went ahead and did it. Anyways, well part of the moral of this story is beware of doing such things. You know, if you don't listen, something will come up from the depths and swallow you. And if you're lucky it'll spit you back up three days later, but it's not necessary that it will it might just swallow you and that will be the end of that. You know, when I've seen people who are Tangled Up in such trouble. They don't have enough life left to fix it. And it's usually the consequence of Well, I tried to calculate it. I think it's possible to make a hundred bad decisions a day, maybe more but certainly a hundred, you know, and those hundred just bad decisions are usually sins of omission. They're usually things that you know, you should do and then you just don't so there are things you should explore and you don't there things that you should say that you don't their obligations that you should Undertake and you don't so it's passive avoidance in some sense. It's willful blindness just like the kind of willful blindness that doomed Osiris. So it's not active repression. It's just failure to engage when you know, you should okay you do that at a hundred times in a day and it's like 700 in a week and it's 3,000 in a month. Roughly speaking and it's 36,000 in a year and then you do that for 10 years. That's 360,000. So then you have 360,000 things lying around you. That you have to fix and the problem is while you would even fix one of those things when they popped up. And so that's how out I am a tree appears right? There's little monsters they pop up and you could whack them with a hammer like whack-a-mole. No problem if you wanted to but if you don't do that for 360,000 decisions, then they all aggregate into this looming chaos Monster and the probability that that thing's going to eat you is Or that you're going to live in its belly because that's where you end up. It's a very bad idea and it's often the case that people just don't have enough time and energy left or willpower or character by that time because they're destroying their old character there. They've had it you cannot help them. You cannot fix it. They're done. They can't be rescued from hell go. That's easy. It's like it's like it's like remember I told you about those experiments with the married couples the ones that are going to get divorced. They walk into the little bed and breakfast and it's hi dear and with the kind of no. No, I smile. It's like that's a predatory smile. It's like I kind of like you but these are really teeth than therefore eating. You know, really it's not pleasant. And so they're interacting with each other. Both of them are really nice but they're not they're not nice at all. They're carnivorous right to the damn core and so on the surface, it's all roses and sunshine and like a little inch below. It's all like they're great like you could see their unconscious. If you'd see two people with her hands around each other's throat and their body knows that because up goes the cortisol up goes the heart rate. They're sweating away. You know, that's the belly of the beast. That's what that is and your body. It's smart. It knows where you are. Your you know, you can ignore it, which you do, you know, it's like oh this isn't too bad. It's like yeah, it's it is it's really bad. It's really really really bad. And you do that long enough. It's like good luck for you, you know, you've polluted your psyche and your surroundings to such a degree that you can't fix it. And it gets worse than that because if you stay there long enough, you won't even want to fix it. You'll be so angry at yourself or the other person that you're going to try as hard as you can to do everything. You possibly can to make it as bad as you possibly can and since you have virtually an unlimited imagination for evil it can get really bad. So when you get into a self-sustaining spiral at some point and that's a that's a hellish descent and the reason that hell is bottom. Is because no matter how bad it is. There's some damn devious nasty horrible little thing that you can do that you will do that will make it worse. So You know people who think that hell isn't real. They're just not paying any attention at all plenty real. So there's some other representations of Jonah. Luckily. He got back up. same idea That wouldn't be in such a spectacularly successful movie if it wasn't archetypal to the core and it just relates an archetypal tail. So, it's Brave man against horrific beast from the depths. Greek so those are the Greek's going after the Hydra and you see the circle at the bottom of the Hydra there that's like a symbol of infinity. And so what are the Greek's doing? They're tackling Infinity. Well, that is what the Greeks did. That's why we still remember them. It's like those characters. They were tough people. Then there was something about them. That was truly remarkable. You know, there was only 25,000 people in Athens. So I don't know what was up with them, but they certainly got this part, right? I guess maybe what was up with them is that's how they thought of themselves. You know, it's like they're not running away. You know, you could make a pretty strong case that if seven headed snake. With infinite length came rolling towards you it's like time to head for the Hills right not like stand there with your bronze ax. Sure, but it wasn't conscious. It was mimic mimicry which is how you do it too. You know, you don't go to a movie like go Iron Man because Iron Man's mythological to the core, especially the Avengers movie. It had a brilliant mythological theme and you don't go there and Tired man and then come out and say well, let's decode Ironman into his you know, behavioral microelements and incorporate those you don't do that. You're gripped by it you're gripped by it and the transmission of information is at a level that's below articulation. It's imagistic. So maybe it's modifying the structure of the contents of your right hemisphere who God only knows it's embodied. You know, that's why you don't know what happens. You take a kid out to see a Superman movie. He and then you bring them home. What do they want to do? They want to put on a little Superman cape and wander around being super mad, you know, and that's the level at which the information is being transmitted so that well what Superman like well, we'll play that out and to the degree that you can play it out. Then the Superman element in so far as you can mimic it now becomes part of your behavioral repertoire, so did they know what they were doing? Depends on what you mean by no, could they fully articulate what they were doing? No, but neither can we so that's what they knew. Like they weren't taking something they knew in an articulated form and saying let's represent it as a Hydra and a hero. It's completely the other way around. It's like we don't know what the hell were doing, but it seems sort of like a guy with a bronze acts attacking a snake. It's like what kind of snake well, it's an infinite snake with many heads, you know, and that would have been a work of imagination maybe maybe conscious imagination, you know, like because those are artistic Productions definitely but their products of fantasy. So this chaos Monster Dragon breaks itself into two things. That's the initial differentiation. So it breaks itself into the great father and the great mother. So that's the emergence. So it's the great mother in some sense. He merges first and the great father second. Although you can't really say that like the way the myths work is that three things emerge at the same time the great mother so that's kind of the unknown as you confronted and the great father, which is you as a reader. And then the hero which is you as an active agent, you might say one of those proceeds the other but that isn't how it works in the myths. That just says no wonder what sort of things split that's what they split into. There has to be something there has to be the interpretation of something and there has to be The Interpreter. Those are the fundamental elements of being And so it's an idea the fundamental elements of being are there's a pool of information. There's a reader of the information. So that would be Osiris roughly speaking and then there's a reader and so think about what happens when you're reading a book. You know, you might say well, where is the book you say? Well, here's the book. It's this little chunk of wood fiber. It's like well, no, that's what your visual system deludes you into thinking when you're using it. That's not the book at all. The book contains patterns, it contains representations of behavioral patterns. And the way that you interpret those behavioral patterns is by using the reader that's in your head, which is really that structure that hierarchical structure that I talked to about. If you didn't have that in your damn head you couldn't understand the book because the only thing that like if you and I are talking and we're communicating. There's a lot we have to agree on before we could even say anything about which we might disagree. So if I'm writing a book for you people as the readers, what I have to do is assume a bunch of things that you know, because then I don't have to say those things because it would take an infinite amount of time to say everything that I need to say. So I have to assume that there's a trillion things. I don't have to say because I already know that you know them and so then I can play at the fringes with those things. So, for example, I can lay out a story. About my character becoming angry and I don't have to like tell you, you know, well, we could tell he's angry because his brow is furrowed and you know, he's starting to sweat and there's a bad taste in his mouth. And if you're angry, that's how you feel. And because you already know that so I don't have to bother with that. I can just say, you know, what just set up the situation and poof, you know what anger means, you know, it's sorrow means you know, what love means, etc, etc. So that's why the reader has to be there and the thing to read sorry. The the structure The Interpreter has to be there and the thing that's doing The Interpreter interpretation. And the thing that's being interpreted has to all come out at the same time poof. And that's the the hero the great mother and the great father. So that's how they pop out now, let me show you some cool things. There they are. Now students sent me the one on the left. That's an ancient Chinese representation. And then that one's Greek. It's so cool. Look at that. You have the dragon in the background the snake with the not in its tail. That's ancient Greek that and that's its Chinese. It's a very old Chinese representation and out of the snake pops the Divine parents. Well, why is that? Well, it's partly because That one of the primary things that emerges out of undifferentiated reality for human beings is the male and the female the father and the mother. I mean, that's the first things you come into contact with roughly speaking when you emerge out of the Void. And that's archetypal. We know who our father is. We know who her mother is. It's like that's G the differentiation of the genders. What time is it? Yeah, okay. Okay. Well, let's leave it there that's good. Now we've got into the great mother and the great father and I'm going to show you their symbolic representation and their positive because one of the things that happens is you get the great mother in the great father pop up. And then the next thing is that they differentiate again and they differentiate into positive mother and negative mother and paused a father in negative father and then now and then at the same time the cross the product of those two things. which is the hero that also emerges and it's differentiates into the hero and the adversary and so then you have You have enough at that point you have enough differentiation at that point in terms of representation that you can basically encapsulate the whole world. And so that's at the base of our conceptual structures. This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening.

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Hi and welcome to data futurology the podcast where we speak to top data science leaders out there in the field to get their lessons learned their strategies and approaches to help you take your career to the next level. My name is Felipe Flores. I am your host. Thank you so much for tuning in today. We are speaking with Angela Wilkins. She is the founder and managing director at Mercury data science. Angela also works at Mercury. Fund as Chief scientist, so she tells us about how that dual role works. And as you're here, I think she has the coolest job working with the type of companies that she does and the setup really really exciting. She has a strong background in clinical research and has ended up running a data science company. It's a great episode. I hope you enjoy it. Hi, this is Felipe today. I'm speaking with Angela Angela. Thank you so much for me. It is at the beginning of the episode. I wanted to ask him. How did you get into Data? What was it that po'trait? I always wanted to be a scientist as a kid. The only thing I ever wanted to be was a scientist and I'm particular I of course looked Albert Einstein and so that meant I like physics a lot and but it's like high school. I miss the math team the physics team and I was very good at it and that kept and going until my undergraduate. We're at that point. I decided I wanted to be a theoretical physicist. I went off to grad school and I realized pretty quickly that we don't set there at chalkboards anymore and to bribe equation that I actually have to program. So I learned to program for the first time in grad school actually, technically I took the Java class during my undergraduate, but the time Java was actually a new language my first language I'd say I really learned was Fortran 77 because that's the language that everybody uses a quantum chemistry and I took Programming I loved it. I loved physics. But I really liked I think when I got out of those, I really just solving problems and by time I finish grad school. I wanted new problems and instead of continuing and physics. I decided to go to computational biology. It's a really rich and interesting field because they have so many problems and ten years ago. When I kind of got started there really wasn't a whole lot of math to solve these problems and they were starting to head in that direction. So I first started out studying Evolution and evolution is actually a lot is very useful it. A lot of people may not realize this but it really helps us understand us. And again that's in the context of disease and in drugs and it allowed me to kind of understand the field as a whole and I over 10 years. I just kept in jumping from Project to project learning new data learning to questions. I loved it. Wow, that's so obsessed and what type of problems in water garden Working at what time so I'm spending my time doing protein engineering. So that's what it basically I would learn how to understand these things that we call proteins which are really long sleep sequences of information looks a bit of information. They fluctuate a little bit from species to species and if you look across a lot of speed, please you start being able to infer something about how this protein came about and once you kind of understand how it came about you can use this information. Ation to re-engineer it to do new things. So that was one of the things I did was basically created new proteins that didn't exist before and in some cases adjusted the function of proteins to make them do things that they didn't used to do what that blows my mind. Yeah. Okay. So you hear a lot nowadays about aging and aging is clearly a problem. We will be dealing with for the next couple of years that we want to get control of this better to prevent things like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and he'll stay beautiful and keep our hair will be awesome. One of the things we work with the lab out of Dallas where they had figured out exactly that this protein was important in some kind of pathway, but they wanted to be smaller protein based on the original protein. And so I did a lot of analysis looking at how this protein behaves across a lots of species and said, okay. This is the important part of the protein. So this is the part we need to keep but the problem is that that part of the protein it's not going to function the way we wanted to it's going to do this thing. We called aggregate which means basically it's going to kind of fall apart and get eaten up. So we need to make it more stable. And so then basically took that 14 and change the cup just a couple things in it to make it more stable and it turned out it works really well. I basically now it's become one of the standard controls for understanding a pathway called is tapa G called attached becklund peptide, but it's actually a tool everybody in biology use day-to-day. Test so that they can understand how this pathway works. I think that was kind of how I started and like it so it's like I'm so used to using like any kind of data is try to like solve a problem Ayala cheese a large field because like we have like along with having these sequences of information. We have a language and a couple years later. I started working with which at the time was a newer thing IBM Watson at the time. They had just done the Jeopardy thing and they were looking lots of places to do proof of Concepts. The question we kind of posed was can we you use this technology. They had developed to read the biomedical literature and do discovery on it and start out as kind of R&D project. We're on about a year or as cancer biologist clinicians data Sciences Computer Sciences computational biology is a little bit of everything. So like a huge effort with about 20 people from Baylor College of Medicine and IBM and I for the first time was part of like developing a product noise science, but I'd never had done in science in a way that you know the end they work on the Read something that people use every day. They now call. This is what we worked on the IBM Watson for drug Discovery and it's still around people use it at like Pfizer for doing Discovery in the literature and trying to identify biomarkers or maybe drugs that would be useful for diseases and how would it do that? It's actually would look for relationships in the literature first. We had to kind of Define where the things we care about in this case protein drugs and diseases and then we look to see how proteins Drugs and diseases in Iraq, and so it might be that this drug inhibits these proteins or these drugs are good for these diseases and then basically creating a huge knowledge Network how everything interacts and then we use this network to identify the relationships that maybe people have messed because you don't have the ability to look at everything together. And what did your role of my drink now? My role is interesting because for the first time I would say I took a very a lead role in like a Large situation. I was kind of the team leader on the Baylor College of Medicine topside and I had the opportunity to basically kind of push postdocs and students kind of in the right direction the same time. I was the interface with IBM trying to make sure everything was going on at the right direction and going in a direction that makes sense for the biomedical field instead of just like representing a small facet. I was basically representing something larger than a small piece of science, but trying to build something that Would help many scientists exactly and how did you deal with the priorities and setting direction for the team and we say dealing with the people externally at IBM? What did you learn through that time? Oh gosh was the first time ever had to like set expectations working with Scientists working with biologists and clinicians are certain things that they really care about and trying to explain to them. It's not that we don't care about what you care about, but we need to prioritize and put this stuff in. Order and we'll work on these things first and then these parking second and then we'll do things will be out next quarter. It was the first time I ever had to think about that because usually in science. We're all pretty focused on solving our little problem. You don't really necessarily have to break things down and try to work with like 10 people and explain to them. We're going to get to it. It's phase 3. Yes. So that was our bond within your team always that externally as well as publicize their strategy. Yes. Exactly. It was working with in online. Ted came out working with IBM that was interesting because it was also the first time I had worked with people who referred to other people as clients. It was a very interesting experience, but I kind of like watch them like you just think about everything much different than we do and now looking back. It's like I Now understand their process they use a lot of language that now that I realized was basically to just allow them to communicate easier. This definition of a client is very meaningful that they have somebody that they kind of put on a pedestal You're going to try to create something that will help them and by referring that to us as the client. I thought it was initially weird, but now I understand it interesting and have any other challenges that you had to overcome during your time at Baylor. I think we'll my favorite projects was towards the end where I was working with DARPA initially. We had gotten some seed funding to work on a few projects with DARPA and we were part of a group that they called simplex. I'm really like the doctoral programs are very interesting in the context that they really are trying to build something that is when they bring people together. It's very strategic. They're putting five to ten sets of people in the room together and hoping that something organic and Innovative will come out of it and it was a really unique opportunity because it was like, I got to work with data scientists from Harvard and Stanford and but also they had a mixture of companies some of them are startup companies that were really doing Stuff around understanding language. In other cases. They were working in Material Science and trying to design new materials trying to do o we have top of the line 3D printing trying to create materials that hasn't occurred to anybody to make before that was really unique chance because I had not realized how the people in robotics can use the same algorithms as people getting Material Science really like what one of the things I got out of the darker project is that everybody is using algorithms? Rhythms that can help each other. There's people doing things in robotics in our case. We were doing biology Material Science 3D printing and we share with each other for me what I had learned a lot of the network theory is useful across many fields. I recall working with Michael Robinson. He's out of American University. He's an applied mathematician and like in collaboration with him a we came up with this algorithm for aligning protein. Across multiple species, we understand something about humans and we can represent it with this and then we also understand something about yeast that we want to represent this network and we worked on this idea of how do we align this information so that we can learn more because you don't know ever know anything about a species, but if you look at everything at the same time, maybe you'll learn something new now, the algorithm that we worked on was actually really useful to him in a different context. Hey were used it for tracking cars and So you can imagine you have a car going into a tunnel and then you want to pick up that car again after it leaves the tunnel and what he found that he could use this algorithm to do that. But what he would do is create a network based on the structure of the car and when it comes out of the tunnel, it has a similar but different network so you can think that it's network has kind of shifted it to a slightly different angle and this same algorithm could be used to do the exact same thing interesting. I love this stuff. So Yeah, it's raising and you are in danger for quite a while. And then why did you decide to move elsewhere? I think a lot of it was I needed new problems. I did a lot of different things in biology in it about the same time. I left I made a good friend who is at this thing policy Think Tank called the center of science law really great data son named Pablo and I got kind of infatuated with the problems that he works on right after Baylor. I did it. A short stint with his nonprofit where we were creating large data sets to better understand crime, but it's a lot of projects. I work on were trying to better understand the patterns that correlate with repeat offenders ahead to projects where one was the team have created a tablet game that recreated various tasks that they give people to assess things like Risk and empathy in the kind of Behavioral area. But they created it for the gamified it and we have this behavioral data of people playing games and it was something that they would take in and when they came in to do their parole interview or something like that and which track what would happen to them before and after they took the game and we were using see which of the behaviors most correlated with people who ended up a reoffending. Okay. Well where there's basically one of the big processes which is probably designing the test set that was very much a challenge because I think the time we had 600 to 700 pieces. We actually had 600 to 700 pieces of data. They are thing is we don't know if they committed a crime again. Yeah, we know that they they got caught for committing a crime. So it's like carefully designing the experiment in the training set that development set and the test set but the in the day you had to really think about lower my expectations here how right am I ever going to be here? Because it's clearly never something to be like 95% and the in the day we did make a power and it's something like you know 70% .7 area of the curve but it was a good method I would say for scoring things but it wasn't I don't think it was ever good enough to really be used and production okay and what type of improvements to get it I think we would have needed ten times the number of people Tested and at the same time. I actually looking back on it. I don't think it should have been test used as something to test pervy offense. The probably the data science questions should have been asked is are there things that can be done for intervention that trying to better connect these test results with things that can actually help people know it's like do they need help with anger issues or risky Behavior or empathy? It's I don't think move. Afford it should have been looked at it differently. Yes, really interesting. And that was one of the projects that you did before. Yeah, that's one of the things I worked on for a period of time the center of science a lot, but I like it there but like about the time I kind of just became fascinated with using data science to make policy. I quickly kind of realized. It wasn't really the thing I wanted to do forever. I ended up meeting a VC at the time. I didn't really know what to BC was. I had to look it up and I found out they were called a venture capitalist and that they invest in companies we would meet for lunch everyone once a long key to ask what I'm working on and I would On our side up what I thought of the latest algorithms or the latest company or what's going on in the biomedical field and one day he asked me. Hey, do you want to help me out with a few things and it turned into helping out a little bit with some due diligence coming in giving some seminars to his team on machine learning and data science and telling them a little bit about the you know, the latest technology. I enjoyed it immensely, but look at the world very differently. It really is. Is about finding things that will work they will work quickly and they will have a lot of impact and it was a new way of looking at the world it but I hadn't, you know in Academia. You can take your time a little bit you write a grant you care about six months later and you're like, oh I got my grind. Okay. So this is what I'm going to work on the next couple of years. The venture capitalist is the early stage startup companies work much more differently. They work very fast and they're trying to have as much impact as they Look, like I ended up basically transitioning going from helping with the seminars to due diligence to actually talking with companies that the Venture capitalists by the way. The venture capitalist is actually currently restart that Albert. Okay, the DC I was working with is a group out of Houston, Texas Mercury fun. There was I think one of the larger Reese's in Texas with not they typically invest with companies and around the around and not let me start that over again. I'm doing everything weird. I'm sorry for like I think you're doing really well. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so I continued to work with this venture capitalist and I went from helping with the due diligence in the seminars to actually starting with talking to date companies that they find in the talking with the companies that they were going they were concerned upon and it was really interesting hearing about the problems one thing it kind of stood out to me was after being a scientist for 15 years. I did actually no to how to help them with their problems. I did not initially expect this, you know, because either they're In business, right? So they have business problems, but algorithms are useful everywhere and like they would tell me they're trying to understand they're trying to identify anomalies in the behavior of their utilities that I'd be like. Oh I know how to identify anomalies, but I turned out to not just be kind of good at it, but I actually really enjoyed it and at that point I kind of started to transition full-time out of Baylor out of the other day of policy and shifted towards this. World and it really like it started as just me helping AVC with their companies. We started a little company so that I could do that and it's been going for about a year and a half now amazing seminars. We want to know what they want to know what deep learning was they wanted to know what the next big things were on some level. I think I think there's a hope that there would be like, you know, you can learn everything on a couple of hours. and I think one of the things that came out of it is they realized it'd be easier if they just caught him fired me you just either it goes on and on and on I remember going through the process of teaching everybody regression and you started out linear regression going into Ridge and lasso and elastic laughter like guess basically everybody's just sitting there going like yeah, there's a lot here because I wanted to understand the details, but it's like you spend 15 years for the details and it's a complex field, correct and if you Huge and it changes so fast so fast. It is insane. That's really to thing. And then when you started looking at companies with them, I guess how were you involved in the process and what type of things were you looking at? I think a lot of times one case. I was helping them with their business model the area that they wanted. I was very familiar with the area that they were in the biomedical area and if they had all the data that they said they could have what could they do with it? And I helped advise on Next steps because really the first phase of their company was let's collect the data and now it's like well, okay. So now we have all data where we going to do with it. And that's kind of where I was helping was with the data vision for the future steps. It's a lot of fun because like what they pump you'd have someone come to you and be like, okay. So this is what I want to do and this is the data I have and you're like, okay, let's like for this but in trying to help develop the vision of how going to take what they have and make the thing that They want it's a lot of fun. I mean usually you pay have to go get some more data and you got to be some creative but it's a very rarely have come out of those things going. No. No. No, you can't do this. There's always like okay. This is going to be easy. But if we do this in this we can totally make this product. Yes, that's the work that you're doing directly with the starters evasive. Yes, and I would say that that actually turned into starting a company with my And my partner is actually Dan Watkins who is the victim of the beasties very fun. And basic part of this company started like we just kind of me running around talking to companies and now there's like 15 of us. That is incredible. I know it's awesome, but it went from basically helping people on the phone to now running around and helping not just for free phone companies, but helping all kinds of companies with their problems. Oh really great and still focus on startups or across the board. Typically a company that we're working with either just got funded for about they're usually Venture Venture funded companies. So they may have raised somewhere between 5 million and a hundred million and maybe for the first time it's like we have let's do this. And what we usually do is we kind of come in and help the companies get started. It could be coming in developing the strategy around the potential product that they want to build. It could be just going back to Dean fixing databases and bring some of the raw data engineering but even more It's like one of the things we do is we really do partner with the companies to make the product that will be the data scientist. And I'd say there's several companies that we act as a data science team for them. Yes, that makes sense. Are there any examples that you could share a run how you work with the company and how the data science carried in their organization? I think that definitely is when we talk about your friend hike has any I know I can talk about trying five try. Kite is a company that does machine learning and data science around be our data. So if you look up trying to type you basically put the right data in front of the pr person someone's talked about your company today. It was in a positive or negative way or something like that and they push that information there every day. They basically scrape the internet for blogs articles anything a public relations person would want to know is being written about their company this you kick. Up six million you articles every day. So it's quite a prop one of the things that we did early on to help them was when they're getting these six million articles. They don't actually know what they're about. So we designed a set of algorithms to basically Define what they're about. Is it about technology it's about biotechnology. Is it about car automation but one of the challenges was to make an amine topic modeling it's a very common problem, but there are unique challenge was the vastness of the Problem this point it's not you know, we're going to do these small touch sets of topics. We had to figure out all the topics that all their customers work care about and then kind of creating a structure around that and then somehow quickly annotating 6 million articles for me. It was a very very large big data problem because we had to be very clever because we couldn't use these tender way you could go about this problem because it would take too long and it wouldn't cover all the vertices it wouldn't cover unnecessarily Oliver. One of the things that bringing in this it's like we had the opportunity to basically teach their team everything that we learned in the process. We didn't just product and leaf. We worked very closely with their team. So their team understood what we were doing and why we are doing things and so when we leave they can take it over that's amazing. And how was this company doing their work before you guys were in this case you're relying on technology that there were licensing. That was the only picked up like a cup. Hundred key topics, and we were able to start picking up hundreds of thousands of key topics for them. It was very helpful because it was an example of like them actually creating a novel machine learning technology. That was for them. That is so interesting and then once you work with them originally and after that, do you either way typically we continue the relationship with them in this case Trend kite actually was sold. To station a couple of months ago. So we have some okay that's interesting ending had an example of a company where that a science was not part of their core offering before you work with them and that you had to help them include data science into their strategic plan. Yes, we do have examples of that in one case. We've worked with a company that actually was developing novel cancer Therapeutics and so really they're experimental biology. Platform what they do is they have lots of interesting discoveries that could be used in all kinds of different cancers, but it's really hard to tell which Jesus will enter staying than other and so we did was built and natural language processing pipeline that also couples some, you know, database sources to give you immediately tell you how interesting your prediction is and you know and by interesting I mean, you know, it's like okay. It's been already been associated with cancer. Maybe this is already a well-known drug. Agate or someone is actually ordered patented has already done lots of patterns around this technology. We've already done several patents around this therapeutic. It may not be dismayed make it more interesting and make it less interesting but it's something that they didn't have beforehand at all. Yes, that's not something they had for the other is that doesn't that space where they didn't have data science before because they were not using their designs at all that they were basically, okay. I'm sorry cause I think the quiet answer the Right 35, but it makes there were no this must be fascinating to be working with PC and doing they're helping their companies. Be more successful data science. Amazing. How did you feel going from biomass into business? How was that process for you? As you said like realizing that you could and that was my far away from business. How's that going from Academia industry was huge jump. I was funny because like I think of her Liana started in physics and I wasn't really feeling the impact. I wanted to feel you know, it's like in physics Everything feels so far away, you know, it's like maybe this will be useful in 20 years. Maybe it'll be useful in 30 years in the biomedical field. I went there thinking. Okay. So human health. I'm going to have impact here. And even though I do feel like there's a couple things I've done that was helpful, but I didn't ever feel the As an academic did not reach the rest of the World by impact how I work his students and how I worked with postdocs and how you know, I helped put better scientist in the world going in straight. It's the first time I really felt like I do something and it really helps not just a few people it helps lots of people because if this works, this is a cure for cancer if this works more people eat, you know, if this works this makes a lot of other people's lives easier, it's I would be glad I made this transition. Yeah, yeah, that's her. Did you ever see yourself? Besides, no, not at all never saw myself writing it. The funny thing is I think twice before I had funds during my academic days suggest to me and hey, let's go start a company together and I was like, yeah, I don't know why you'd want to do get it and I think it was basically meeting my current partner Dan and he's just one of the smartest people I've ever met and I think having this wonderful collaboration and ship we're getting the opportunity to see what his world is like and how to use what he's learned and what I've learned to make this thing. I want to call impact for other people has I think it's the only way I would have ever done it is I get to have the best of both worlds. I get to have all the experience that he has and he has all this experience as a VC and as a business person and I get to merge it with my you know, science and academic background to kind of create this new entity and it's a lot of That's great. And once the future or rectory Tennyson. I think in the next week or two were raising money basically allow us to scale up and build out the team a bit more. I am expecting us to grow bigger and get to help, you know work on new problems and help new people and can help me companies and I expect us to kind of escalate a little bit. I am so excited for you. So great. And what type of I think we have a love for biotech. There's several companies in that area. We like Comes around human behavior. I think what are you buying patterns or just I think try and kites it also a good example, like what compared to the things that we care about and making those making that data more accessible. I like those kind of problems. We started to expand into manufacturing. We really enjoy those. I guess it's a new type of data It's Time series data is very interesting and you have the ability to really change people's processes, but that type of data. I don't think we're really limited by By limited by a certain industry at this point at this point we've worked in about eight different Industries and it's really just a matter of coming at the problem correctly and working very close with the company that needs help amazing. Let's change tack to some of the questions that are more rapid fire questions. What are you most excited about in this field? Why do you love it? I love it because it's changing so much every day is different. I think even if you read a science at a certain company every day, It's still the same technology is changing so much you were having a lot of access to better technology every day. And we're able to solve problems that five years ago getting feel possible. I love be having the opportunity to work with lots of different data scientist specially the ones that very different than me because I get to learn from them. I'm sure it's like this a lot of different areas, but I feel like we're kind of in the middle of like almost making it up as we go along and so we have to basically it Really does have to be a collaborative effort. We need to checks and balances. We need each other to make sure we're doing the right thing by, you know, everybody else so interesting and what Problems and firstly proud of the fact that I as this company that we that I started with my partner's gone in as far as it has it's nice getting to work with like 15 people who really like their job and want to come to work every day. I am really proud of the fact that like, there's people who depend on me to pay their bills, I think for a lot of the over the last year there's three people on my team who have bought houses and the idea that it's their hard work. Can they could go anywhere and find a job and do it themselves, but I get to be part of that. I'm really proud of that. I know that's not data science related, but it's not. Only the direct people to work with you but also their families and their future really proud of the fact that we also mean it's right. Now when people hire data scientist we take on a lot of people that you would consider raw, you know, they just got a grad school will not necessarily got a PhD in machine learning. We have the potential to be a data scientist. And so we've created an environment that lets people that challenges people allows them to grow that's fantastic and with that. By chance, I like it big was by chance, but I think it's still left over from my academic life. I really enjoy being a teacher. I really like having students. I liked being part of people's research and part of their science their transition to being a scientist. I think that will never go away that I'll always want to be part of somebody's Journey helping them be who they want to be. It's really nice. Tell me what challenges or problems. One of the challenges that we're dealing with Now setting expectations. It's so important to the data science world trying to explain to somebody that you're not always sure how long this will take. This is where we would start but once we get into the data Maybe we don't have that have is not enough data how much maybe we have too much data. You don't really know until you start and then why an estimate I'm trying to think about how to explain this to people in a way that they really a that they understand but be You know, I explained it to them where I want to be careful about making sure that they under your nose. I said these expectations right? So sometimes they have a nice people have an idea that something will take two weeks, but it actually takes three months but it's very challenging to get those points across. Yes, that's page tips or techniques do this more effectively. I remember being repetitive that yes, I have to say it over and over and over again. I think that's why. Probably the most important one being honest just continually just say exactly what is on your mind about sugar-coated think there's this tendency to you know, tell people what they want to hear and people happy and in the data Science World, you have to be really careful because sometimes something turns out to be easy. Sometimes it turns out to be really hard and that's like setting those expectations around accuracy. Is it? Okay if this is 90% correct, or do you need to be 98% I don't think we have patience. Because there's a lot of things that just because you can do it doesn't mean it works. Well almost anything is possible, but does it really help you if it's only accurate 75% of the time good action point it depends what you're doing and how do you A lot of times they get very nervous because you can't give them a answer that says I'm a hundred percent sure. We'll be done in a month 95 for that. We're going to be done in a month and they're like, well what happened to the other five percent and you're like, well, it could take three months that makes them nervous. It makes them worried and it's all the seems a lot. It's hard to trust the black box. But at the same time, you know, you just probably try to be straight and honest and tell them exactly what I think will happen and how let us all cross our fingers together. Very true. - has their future challenges in our space. You are a lot about what our challenges are going to be and it's like recruiting talent. I actually think we're to creating Talent is going to get easier. I think training Talent. We just need to come up with a better system there. I feel like a lot of things that we're going to do is just easier and easier because I mean want some days AWS just feels like magic and all of the things that I could do that could never do five years. I mean, it's like I feel so lucky. See we trying to do this at this time. What do people usually say their challenges are because I feel really lucky to be at where we're at. I feel like I'm better and better. Yeah, I completely agree. It is. All we have is a lot of things that were doing or actually because like there's so many algorithms now and like they have this realization at some point that these five things are actually the same thing. We have are pretty lucky. Yeah, so like Angela this has been amazing. I only have one last question for you. And that is what is the takeaway that you would like to leave the audience with or a piece of advice you to share with them. I would say do as many things as you can I feel like every time I get introduced to a node obeying or work for a new company or work with a new type of data. I'm better for it. I'm better at my job. I am more helpful to other people. I think I not too. To get stuck at the same thing do as many things as you can as many many problems as many domains as many types of analysis and many algorithms. There's so much to learn to go for the variety. Yeah, I would be an expert on as many things as you can because every time I enter a new domain or subdomain I get something out of it that helps me somewhere else. You know, it's like I working on buying patterns helps me in biotech biotech helps me in manufacturing and Manufacturing helps me it all relates to each other and it helped me better understand real estate. All these things are opportunities. There are all different ways to think and they the more you know, you really can figure out problems quicker. That is also is a fantastic and Angela. Thank you so much for your time. Share your journey toward Lessons Learned your perspective. It's been fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for inviting me. Of course. This has been great. 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Angela Wilkins is the founder and Chief Scientist at Mercury Data Science (MDS) where she works with Mercury's portfolio companies to identify solutions for complex data problems. Prior to MDS, Angela was a member of faculty research at Baylor College of Medicine and led projects at the policy think tank, Center of Science and Law. She developed her machine learning knowledge in the biomedical field as part of IBM's Watson AI and DARPA Simplex Project. Angela received her M.S and Ph.D. from Lehigh University, all in Theoretical Physics. Enjoy the show! We speak about: [01:10] How Angela started in the data space [03:45] Using proteins to understand aging [07:35] Setting team expectations [09:15] Challenges at Baylor [15:15] Using data science to make policy [18:30] Leading seminars on machine learning and data science [22:05] TrendKite – putting the right data in front of the PR person [26:40] The transition from academia into business [30:15] Rapid fire questions [35:00] Future data science challenges [36:10] Do as many things as you can Resources: Angela’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adwilkins Mercury Fund: https://mercuryfund.com TrendKite: https://www.trendkite.com Quotes: “We look to see how proteins, drugs, and diseases interact.” “We came up with an algorithm for aligning protein networks along multiple species.” “I left Baylor because I needed new problems.” “Algorithms are useful everywhere.” Thank you to our sponsors: Fyrebox - Make Your Own Quiz! RMIT Online Master of Data Science Strategy and Leadership Gain the advanced strategic, leadership and data science capabilities required to influence executive leadership teams and deliver organisation-wide solutions. Visit online.rmit.edu.au for more information And as always, we appreciate your Reviews, Follows, Likes, Shares and Ratings. Enjoy the show!

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We have two more episodes to know that it's true. But yeah, so we're getting really close to the end of the year. We only have a couple weeks left. We are going to continue doing our Mandalorian podcast which tonight we're doing episode 6, I believe if you want to get a listen to that early check that out on patreon Patron.com / / hyper RPG and we supposed to be like brothers Battery Source every we delay them a week, but we want to get people in on the conversation early because a lot of people have really been enjoying Art Auction starts on this episode you do. Yeah. I'm excited to talk about it because I also have thoughts about it. Very excited. Yeah. Oh, I thought well we'll talk about it through the pain trying to find out in the middle of doing it we haven't finished it yet. We're doing crisis on infinite Earths part 1 2 & 3 were doing reactions to those. I've done everything I can in my power to stay away from that section of Twitter. That's been talking about all the spoilers. I'm glad I did because episode 2 part 2 was a really fun watch their Zach fun creative exact prediction girl. Stop after episode 2. Yeah. Listen some shit went down and up. Rose like there was some stuff that went down that I was like I was my favorite I wasn't mad but I wasn't either it was kind of heartbreaking. It wasn't interested. It was good though. It was good. But the moments I was really looking forward to I bought worked really really well and they pay homage to like a lot of really cool stuff. Yeah. There's there's some fun moments in there that I really really did. Enjoy speaking of which we are very close to hitting 400 patrons on patreon. We like our Jumping up every day. We're getting a few people coming in and coming in just as a reminder when we hit 400. We are going to put a poll out a list of one to four or five shows that we would like to do a podcast about next Now podcast won't start until after the New Year, but there's a lot of really great shows on right now. We're all watching Watchman. Holy Christ show. So I have thoughts. I need to talk about them with these guys. Yeah, so let's make it happen. That's 400 make it out unless it's a podcast that's And yeah, and I think like It's tricky because the finale of that show is on Sunday. I would love to be able to come back like next week or something. Well, we're going to be on holiday break. I think what if we just have one in the chamber just you know, just in case like a podcast like for the first episode like here's a is a little taste of the game are exactly yeah, that would be that would be a good idea actually, but yeah, so the last two episodes it's fine. If I tell you this we're going to be pre-recording them because Next week, we're going to next week. We'll do our regularly scheduled stuff. We might have another video that's coming out that you and I just shot today you right? Yes is the usaopoly Talisman Batman supervillains game super fun tabletop game that we did on the lookout for that. Yes. So we're going to do we're going to do a cut-down of that's not going to be like a two-hour video. We're gonna do a cut-down so it's very digestible. It's a really really fun game. I had a lot of fun playing and I'm not necessarily somebody who like is into board games, but that one in particular I played mr. Freeze. Yes played So fun weekend was on it with us Ross Thompson Liga. Yeah. So you're Malika Russ Thompson from usaopoly was on it with us and we had a really good time. So look out for that next week. I think that's gonna be a really fun game that if you have any friends or family the who are into board games that I think is a really great pickup and then the two videos that we're going to do is the top 10 our top 10 movies of the last decade and our top 10 movies of the year. Now. That doesn't mean that skirt one lives here first, man, you cut you kind of you kind of can do that. No, but yeah, no, but you you Pitch it as like top 10 best of the decade. You gotta look first one is we're going to do the top 10 movies of the year. Then we're going to do top 10 movies with the dead. I guess the only reason I flipped it, which it doesn't matter because we're shooting them the same day. Yeah. I still have a couple movies that I need to go soon before. Oh sure before long the year. That's an impossibility. I'll always say that whatever a top ten list is just going to be of the movies. I've seen sure course there should be a that I have I would say it's like it's like here. Okay, not all the way. It's like here. It's like a 75% 80% I give some some moments. I was like, whoo. Yeah other moments. I was like, yeah, but the movie started and I was like, you know, there's lots of Mexicans in so strong Mexicans are speaking Spanish speaking Spanish. Yeah, there's definitely some good moments that movie. I feel like this year in particular has been a very good year for movie. So we're going to doing that at the end of the year and then next year. We've been talking a lot about changing up some stuff making a few adjustments here and there and then looking at like what types of other things we can do because you know, sometimes you just gotta check we've done a hundred episodes that have been exactly the same week to week for the last like two years more importantly the YouTube algorithm are beating the shit. Out of this very true. They are beating the shit. We gotta work around as it's just call it phase to phase two. This is very smart. We want to not have to read any more comments like oh there you guys are. Yeah, like weird you go. We've been here for two years. Thanks YouTube algorithm and thanks to for people who watch on the regular. Yeah. Thank you guys so much. Yeah real soup. He's a real homies. Also the other thing that I did recently I moved our podcast. It used to be hosted on SoundCloud now, it's on anchor dot f m-- anchors cool Anchors, Aweigh We really cool. I know you guys use it for your 500 Greatest Songs podcast. I know a lot of people have kind of been moving over there. There are some opportunities for us to do other things there as well. And also like if you don't necessarily want to support the patreon, but you just want to support the podcast you can do that on anchor there's a way for There's an opportunity for you to just support that if you want it if you want to keep getting that so all kinds of stuff but links to everything are going to be down below the podcast the other videos the crisis videos that we've been doing all kinds of stuff and then you know when we post Stuff makes you guys at the bell for notifications because we put out a lot of videos the last week a bunch of trailer reactions for oo7 Wonder Woman 84 Ghostbusters afterlife. I don't even know what else we've done we've done so much stuff and then like Widow Black Widow, of course and then on Tuesday, we're seeing Star Wars the rise of Skywalk be a bully and we'll come back. We'll do a non-spoiler review first and then we'll do a spoiler review because I know people want to talk spoilers like right out the gate, but I know how the internet can be and I don't want people spoiling. Are we holding on to that until like Friday are we put the spoiler review will be on Friday in the non-spoiler will go up. Basically the Embargo list, which I think is that day or the day. Yeah, I think it's that day. It's seven something like 7 p.m. So yeah, it's in the email will checking email but we pretty much got all the housekeeping out of the way. I am very excited for Star Wars though. I've been re watching them. So now I'm driving. Yeah getting pumped dude. Yeah, I put out a tweet today. I know a lot of people have been like, I don't know if I think you guys have been include a lot of those tweets to of like there's so much stuff out. They're all these interviews and that I don't like you look just do what I do clip and it ruined if yeah, I'm like just do this what I do. Yeah, and I think you guys do this to Media blackout like a week or two before the movie, right? No TV spots. No trailers. No clips. No Reddit threads. No Twitter threads. No Facebook chats, like none of that stuff. Just close down the internet go watch the Star Wars movies, you know revisit some stuff. You haven't seen in a while and then like walk into a theater fresh about the you know, I have a co-worker who before end game came out before Or Infinity war came out. He was all up on those threads all up on like stole the baby accidentally. Yes. He did he did and now whenever I talk to him, I'm just like hey, homie. So like what's up with all this stuff? He's like, I don't even pay attention that stuff anymore had such a bad experience. Yeah with everything and game and infinity war that he's just like I can't I can't do this to my son. It's tough because like we live in Los Angeles and and hear this stuff and see we know George Lucas and We Know Joe. Oh, yeah, Daisy Ridley all the people and there's whatever my next-door neighbor. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Look down the street. Yeah, right again deal is on the street. That's kind Russell. I see her every day. Yeah. Hey, I'm excited next we like stuck in traffic together. I guess I was wrong. I'll tell you who I am. But even crisis on infinite Earths, you know, like you work at DC. So like we sometimes will like I'll be like, oh this is happening on Christ's Life Energy like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's I'm sometimes I'm envious of people on YouTube who do their reaction videos and they literally know nothing. So when Brandon Ralph shows up, they're like, oh crap when Ralph is in this. Yeah, then he shows up in the Kingdom Come Superman. You're like, oh my God, he's the Kingdom Come Superman. I'm like, well, I already know this stuff and some people make comments like man be really nice if you guys didn't know anything like well, I have to go live in a farm somewhere. Yeah, because we live in LA and that's just not how it works. Yeah. We looking for looking at which has Lose your dog again. Where's that little Buster? What do you get into now? It's gone forever. I think he's in a big way back to the farm. That's right. He went to the farm. So it's tough It's like I get it, you know, so for movies and shows like Watchman, I've done everything I can to completely just like if you'd all that and if you're somebody that's like but I want it. I want the thing. I want Star Wars stuff and I can't wait for the time you come out bro. Not only do you have all the movies. But like are you read every comic book if you read all the Marvel Comics yet go to Ginobili in the book. It's a Marvel after reading them, right? Yeah just said we'd read the novels like just distract yourself for a couple hours until you get you can scratch that itch and then you can put the thing down and then go and live your life and you can switch back and forth between Ken and stuff and legends. Yeah so much stuff in the Legends go outside just like PP you can't keep using your dish towel mop your floor. It's disgusting. Yeah mop your floor. Yeah, I gotta get that pickle juice out of your fridge my God, but a hot minute. I need to clean my fridge too. Yeah, that's one of the things we have. Yeah. All right with all that out of the way and recommending you go outside and breathe some air and mop your floor. Let's talk about some some new Wow's this was just announced today and it's kind of been a speculated for a while that this announcement was probably going to come at some point because of how the last movie performed by. But Power Rangers is being rebooted again previously. The previous movie that came out in 2017 was made at Lionsgate because Power Rangers at a time was still under the ownership of Saban. It has since switched hands to Hasbro and Hasbro has their Motion Picture deal with Paramount. Obviously things like Ninja Turtles GI Joe the Transformers movies all that sort of stuff. So Paramount will now be in charge of producing and creating the next reboot of the Power Rangers the last movie that came out made a hundred forty two million dollars worldwide. made for about a hundred million, so It didn't make any money basically as well. Sure. I'm getting a sure the most interesting thing about this is this like summary of what the movies going to be about and of course it's very early on so this could end up not being the case it could change whatever but right now The Hollywood Reporter is saying that the story involves the Power Rangers time traveling back into the 90s and they're trying to find their way back home. So it's got a very Back to the Future sort of storyline. It also sounds very familiar to a show that I will not mention on and this is And all the people who know know if you know, you know who don't if you scroll down into the playlist, you know, go into videos and just look at stuff. Yeah, all that stuff aside, which that kind of does bum me out a little bit that it feels similar to something that hyper did even me. Just reading this. I'm kind of disappointed at this premise. Yeah, because I'm not a huge Power Rangers Fan. I feel like of the three of us, you're probably fan number one. Probably you dig some stuff. I'm Yeah like that Holly. I feel like I kind of grew out of it. But yeah, I did but comic but what you did you dig? Yes. Yes, even if you grew out of it, so you like what you like, right and I'm probably third most but I am not a huge fan of the well, let's just have a sort of a storyline to allow us to go back to the 90s right because I'm like, okay when the when the last movie came out which I enjoyed and it's a movie that is not perfect. And definitely I thought could be improved with a sequel like I thought they could have made a sequel. Reduce Tommy and actually gone for it. But I thought that the cast was wonderful. Even Rita repulsa. Everybody was great when you release a movie like that and a lot of the people's criticisms were like, oh I miss the 90s feel of the of the you know of the original Nostalgia of the of the Power Rangers from when I was a child from when I was 5 years old or whatever. I want to see that and their next movie isn't just set in the 90s, but instead is now doing like a convoluted thing to be able to go back to the 90s, but then that's not where the Power Rangers are originally from. And is this going to be like The Brady Bunch Movie that was like making fun of the Brady, but you know, I mean I'm like like what are you doing? If you're not living and breathing in that world and kind of like taking it at face value being like this is establishing a right this movie set in the 90s with some real again, just like Back to the Future when they went to the to the 50s like like it was make it was just showing you the comparison but at least Marty was was anyway, that's the whole premise of that movie but it wasn't like this. It's just it just feels very like, oh we're going to give the fans what they want. Out really embracing the concept altogether. There's what I think I think that it I think that it could be better served if it's either just set in the 90s and like hey, the movie is just basically takes place in winded power injured Premier 1983 like the movie just opens in 1993 and it's like Zack Trini and you know, like do do not and then go from there with all the that that entails but still being real or yeah. This is just kind of feels weird to me. I after watching the Ghostbusters Afterlife trailer, I like kind of what it does. Where'd establishes. The Ghostbusters have not been active for like 30-ish years. Yeah, the grand all the grandkids basically stumble upon the history of the Ghostbusters and they've kind of become a myth in that world. I wouldn't have been opposed to the idea if if they were going to do the reboot if the 90s Power Rangers were exact training Billy Jason Tom, you know, the original crew. Yeah and then 25 30 years later a new set of Just come in and they like discover the command center that sword on all that sort of stuff and then they meet the power range. They meet the original team and like this is what this like Legacy represents and what it means and why you five were chosen and the importance of friendship and all that sort of stuff then I think like yeah, if that was your angle then I would be up for that. I feel the same way. There are things about the 2017 movie that I really liked. I liked the cast a lot. I really like Elizabeth Banks is Rita. I like Bill Hader Bryan Cranston. None of the actors for me were like I thought I thought oh man. I forgot the name of the actor who played Billy. He was shoes. It's something like like cry cry. Ler from look it up. Remember Chris learn but healer he was so great as Billy. Yeah, everybody just like the whole cast was great. So for me, it was never cast issue. I also agree. I think if you end on the Cliffhanger of introducing Tommy Oliver, just commit just make the commitment and go go All the way I also don't know from a legal standpoint because that's lines Gates movie and RJ RJ RJ Kyler Kyler Kai who paid by who pay you put Billy Cranston Billy Cranston. Hmm. Yep. I also don't know like the legal issues that deal with that issue because it's lines meet movie Paramount technically can't make a sequel to that. Right and they have to reboot but I'm kind of all in the same boat. I don't necessarily know how I feel about them traveling back to the 90s and having to find their way home. Like I don't know like are you having to go back to the 80s because the power users existed in the 90s, you have to find their power coins to think about like it. Is it going to be too much of a convoluted plot? Yeah. I'm going to try to wrap my brain around this but obviously you're going to say something so I think you kind of put it okay Hector where it could like spider-verse did something very similar to something like this, right? Yeah. That was a very unique case though. If they would have said look we are doing a time-traveling thing, but we are going to visit the samurai rangers are going to visit like the Dino Force. We're going to visit the when they had cars like all that stuff not just Kissed on the 90s. I would have been like cool awesome. That means you guys are trying to respect the Legacy the legacy of all of the Power Rangers and what they are because they aren't just the 90s thing know in the same way that the new Ghostbusters they've been trying to say like well, this is one universe and the 2016 all-female Ghostbusters are in a parallel universe. And if this thing does well, hopefully they can go like it's a thing of we're not trying to replace it. They're trying to be like we're trying to build up the brand right, you know at some point. Yeah, exactly people dig it. So this could have been like all around because there are some really dope Rangers there. Some really dope makeup. Yes, there's some really cool Megazords out there that are not the original right Dino. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so it feels good Zeo Rangers are this is our Rangers is my favorite honesty and not because we know Peter but the samurai rangers those the what do they call? I think they are just called the cimmerian. Yeah. Peter said are so plays a these play Preston Preston. I was going to say Winston Preston. The other costumes are super dope and I actually watched one season of that because I really like the way they're kind of evolving the Rangers. Yeah, but to skip everything that's been done. Yeah, just to go back to the 90s. That's a cash grab. That's a correct cash grab for Nostalgia and I get it like we are the people who grew up with that we are the ones coming into the generation of like we're starting to take over positions of power and starting to have money and all these things. So we you know, we kind of Drive the change in and drive what's happening and so So it just it just feels gross to me because you're ignoring every other Ranger that's out there that has done a good contribution to the world of the Power Rangers and we have friends who could probably talk a lot more about you know, all the details of what those people do. Yeah, but it just doesn't feel honest to me and it feels like people it's just like that Star Wars argument that Freddie Prinze jr. Put out there like we're just mad that this thing's not aging with you, right? What's the 90 shows dude? It's not that great. Yeah, it's not good. It's For young it is it was for me when I was at Kevin? Yes. I am not that person anymore. And yeah, I look back on it. Fondly. I remember being on the playground and we were playing Power Rangers and I had to be the dragon Zord. So I was walking around like this like making making the Dragonzord sound because I knew he had thrown that was me back in the day. I don't do that anymore. I remember it's on lie, but I've seen your Chinese in action. Hey. Don't nobody but I don't do that now. Yeah, and I because I can make that separation of like that was special to me back then and especially trying to re-watch it. I'm just like I'll just keep that back there and that makes me open up because I really like the reboot that they just they just did. Yes, the suits weren't my favorite, right? But overall I really liked how they treated the characters like people. I really like that. They had a villain that wasn't just a screaming person on the march on Mars. I really like that they gave purpose to everything that was happening and I want To carry that on I don't care that there's a reboot right now because I feel like it's something that I'm open to change but not everybody is in that same position because they're just they focus so hard on what they loved and I don't blame anybody because you love what you love right? But also don't shit on something new just because it's not what you remember. You don't know about you don't know about it. Yeah, like you didn't know about Power Rangers before back then you yeah, it was a brand new thing to you. Why can that not happen again? Yeah, you know, yeah. And I and and just to go back to the concept. It's like time traveling was not intrinsic to that first iteration of Power Rangers. That's something that kind of happened later or maybe something that like, of course introduced or whatever. Whatever Time Force to there wasn't there's room for that later, but it would be as though Hasbro again was going okay. We're going to do new GI Joe we know that the last couple movies didn't work. So this will be a reboot and I'm like cool cool. This is gonna be a reboot brand new GI Joe and instead of setting it today. They'd be like and this one is about how the GI Joe crew. Get get trapped in time and they're in the 80s right just like and you're like no that's not that wasn't like like it's not a new idea. Yeah, and that's what's not important to GI Joe know like just the air land and now you just going to have judge on COBRA stuck in the 80s fighting. Well then trying to get back. I'm like that's one too many things doesn't it's already a thing where you have to explain Concepts like Megazord and resort on is and who Alpha V is and what you know, who we really were posted where they come from every right and on top of that you're gonna be like these kids are stuck. In the nineties to like it just feels a little bit too. It's too much of a cash. But again man, it's out one. That's one sentence. I'm like, I'll need to see more horse for I before I'm like, okay, that'll be for me or it won't be right but I am bummed because I like the twins they're trying to make it for you. That's a thing Hector. They're trying to not like you don't have to yeah, exactly make them like make also all Power Rangers movie 12 year old today. Yeah. Yep. I think that's my own. That's I would say that's like my biggest gripe, I guess for the 2017 movie it tried almost too. To cater to me. Yeah, and like while I appreciate the effort of what such what it's trying to do again. Just exactly like you said, I'm old enough old enough to recognize that like it's not for me. Yeah exactly. I mean when I was five through like 1012, whatever. I'm also old enough to recognize when something is dope. Yeah, like if it's dope I'll watch it. You don't have to make it exactly what it was for sure. I mean like I don't know something like Batman the Animated Series is a perfect example of like it's an animated series for kids. Aids on you know Saturday mornings, but as an adult you can re-watch that you be, you know, there's so much to appreciate aside from story. Also just like the quality of and how it's right. That was that show that show is its unique in its own because that show was made with so much love and attention to it that Avatar Korra same thing happened exactly truck came out it is for kids, right and it got the following a did because everybody recognize exactly this is dope that this story was flushed out this universe. Is there everything is solid. Yep, but something like Power Rangers it was Like TV candy, like just eat it gobble it up. It doesn't have any substance. It doesn't matter and people giving it that kind of attention and like really really getting into it later is it's not good. Yeah, what's going on? Nothing nothing. He's just stands there and just like thinks I'm like he wants to jump in and say something like yeah, I can smell it. I know I can smell. Probably be best if he didn't value okay enough with our Rangers. Let's talk about Marvel TV. So the Marvel TV division is officially closing its doors but wait, there's still going to be making TV shows. This is something that has been in toxin been rumored for a while. We found out I think it was in September October. The jeph Loeb was leaving Marvel entertainment. He's going to be going on to do other projects, but they officially announced that's my watch. I'm so sorry. They officially did announce that That part of the company's going to be folding and it will be absorbed into Marvel Studios. So now Marvel Studios under Kevin feige will be doing publishing film TV and animation and that's Marvel family entertained. Yes. Yes. Okay. Wow, that's okay. There are several several projects that are still already there too far into the development process that they're going to continue moving forward While most of them are animated series. The list is modok hit monkey Tigra and dazzler which Just got like everybody got like oh and they going to restructure like restructuring. And yeah, it's like going to create a positive real bummer. It's a real bomb Howard the Duck and the offender's never live action healthy fit. The offender's is all of those teaming up your right? Yes. Yes. It's like they're equivalent of like Defenders and Avengers basically in live-action hellstrom, so he's still moving forward and I believe that's going to be on Hulu Okay, and obviously because of that's because that's happening. There's going to be there's expect that there's going to be at least like two dozen layoffs are going to happen some We'll move over to Marvel Studios. Now under Kevin feige. Some people will probably move on. Hopefully we'll find other other other work and jeph Loeb is going to stay on board to kind of like oversee the whole changeover and then he's expected to leave but Marvel will obviously still be making TV shows that have a whole slate for Disney plus they will more than likely still have some select things coming out on Hulu and apparently corner of the article that I read on thr, they will they will very likely probably still make something for ABC Network's there's one project. Direct interesting that there's like no tight like nobody knows what it is. But there is apparently some like secret Marvel project that might move over to ABC. It sucks that people are losing their jobs. Yeah. I don't like that. I don't like that even after Disney but Marvel bought lucasfilm Muppets bought Pixar Fox if there's still this like, you know, we got to consolidate consolidate consolidate. However, I want to bring this up there is right now dude, I'm almost done re watching for the first time in years the Season of Agents of Shield and I am enjoying it more than I ever have been the first time I saw it. I really liked that show and I think it's doing a real it's basically doing everything that it can be doing with its budget limitations and where it's set in its Universe. Remember the first season dealt with it premiered after Iron Man 3 into its fall season Thor the Dark World happen. So they used some Thor stuff and then in the spring Captain America, the Winter Soldier happened where Shield was like what I spend it and they went with it and it took one of their major characters agent ward in there like this guy's been a Nazi The whole time and it and the actor didn't know like they liked it. I thought it was really ballsy and I thought that it was a really great. Once it the show kind of got it. Anyway, what I'm saying is I enjoy it on the flip side. There have been shows made by a lot of these same folks. I'm talking about in humans and Iron Fist and certain pieces of things like Jessica Jones and Daredevil and Luke Cage, you know, some of the some of the in certain pieces maybe of like runaways on Hulu or whatever, but I enjoy runaways I enjoy Cloak and Dagger a lot that Are not great especially like in humans and you've heard about the rumors of that of like how did the show get mate? Like who was the showrunner and this person who was the showrunner was apparently put there because it was like they can you know, it was the same person that was doing Iron Fist and it's like, oh that's not good. That's not great. And it feels like it's this thing of okay, whoever's making the decisions to kind of let that stuff at that quality go whoever's making those decisions. I would love it if you weren't doing that anymore and I don't necessarily mean. Hey, you should lose your job. Job, but like maybe there's up another position. So like I'm it's it's crappy because yeah, I guess I basically am saying that when you don't do your job, well that there that there should be some repercussions absolutely and the people shouldn't stay safe and comfortable just because a you know, because they like doing it for 20 years right or whatever the case may be. So one side of me is bummed that this kind of continues to happen, especially because not mention here, but it was talked about a few months ago. The Ghost Rider show isn't going forward, right and I'm real I was like, oh Really wanted to see that every Lunas Ghost Rider show spin-off of Agents of Shield and even with tiger dazzler with are like stop. Let's refocus. This part of me is like, oh I'm worried. But another part of me is like maybe it was just like creatively not working and maybe some quality control is coming in at some level and being like well, we do want the show to be the best. It can be we're not just going to push the show out. So I'm conflicted and I think that Jeff lobe deserves a lot of credit for his TV structuring and and contributing to the MCU. Ever I still think that a lot of the TV stuff, you know, they didn't have the budgets in the and the support that the movie MCU entries did but there's TV stuff. That was like y'all maybe should have gone forward on Iron Fist if it wasn't ready right put him in Defender sure, but like, you know, it's TV and it kind of you know, it's nothing to the level of Titans. I don't think I don't know, you know what I mean? Like it's just it's part of that conversation. We've been watching Titans and we're just like, ah just took on my Titan a little bit. So I've You bad and the other thing I wanted to ask you guys about and I feel bad about is like people are saying oh now they're going to come out and say every MCU show up to this point has not been official now going forward. He said that though and I don't like it. What are your thoughts on that? It has been confirmed that I honestly don't my take is I don't think it's a big deal if those shows were connected to the MCU. It doesn't change anything about the MC is long as long as they don't just announced a daredevil move. He and have a completely new to see I'm saying like as long as those shows are not contradicted fine and going forward, especially with Daredevil being such a huge part of Marvel period and Luke Cage and Jessica Jones like again, I we talked about it before just use those same actors Marvel you have you guys have some good casts. I guess, you know, I mean, Jon Bernthal is Punisher, like don't just why would you don't just never use Punisher Frank Castle as a character? Don't use never use Kingpin my God, you've got Vincent D'Onofrio, right? So I'm frustrated. Those were to be contradicted but I'll give you this if they wanted to recast in humans, right? I'm kind of like I hear you I hear you Hector go for it is it is going to be they are going to rewrite that and and you have to understand what's going on in the bigger picture. It's I like that you're looking at it very individually as each story because that's each story is its own individual living entity, right? But we also have to think about what Marvel Studios did with that 10-year Arc. Bridging together a decade of movies 23 movies with a large story art that I personally think was extremely successful right biggest movie in the world ever. So now what they have to do is bring in all the Loose Ends those TV shows unfortunately as good or as bad or whatever you think they are. They need to be tied in they need to all be under one umbrella because if there's anything Disney's good at it's their branding and everything has to fall under the same time. Of uniform clean homogeneous, like it's all under the mouse's umbrella at this point. So yes to me. It makes sense and honestly as much as it pains me to say that Charlie Cox might not come back as Daredevil. I also is what the fuck Said that those movies and those shows not not movies. Those shows are not officially part of the MCU. Yeah, they're they're not there. So that tells you right there that they are going to re-approach these characters but not necessarily with the people that you might love their which sucks because does season did you guys ever finish season 3 of Daredevil? No, I haven't yet. Yeah, dude. I said, I meant I'm an agent of shield. I'm gonna get two dudes. It's good dude, so they tried to watch it. But how about this? How about look like, let me I posit this Star Wars Star Wars did a similar thing Disney was like, okay, all of the expanded universe is we're going to say it's now Legends because we need to be able to change the story moving forward and in some of those Legends cannons and books like they killed Chewbacca and they're like, we're going to we want to we want to hack of Chewbacca and our story we want to you know, go forward so they did that and they still can go back to and mine some of that material wrong if it's not necessarily contradictory and they can go a great one and Rebels. Like could it be possible that they could this take Agents of Shield? For example? Yes, if they want to have leave Coulson deadly Coulson dead. I've been saying since the show started I think that he should die again by the series end whenever that will end an amazing Epic Death that he that he deserves in a similar gives us feelings to when he got stabbed by Loki right do that. What are where does that leave the rest of the cash? You got a bunch of other Agents of Shield agent Melinda May agents under the dudgeon to dinner. What if in a future Marvel movie Nick Fury is there and then all of a sudden he's talking to Ming Na and it's like we know who she's playing you can watch seven seasons of her show but it's not like mandatory to be able to understand this scene. This is a gym, you know? Yeah, right like no and look I'm not going to fuck around and say like we're not talking comic books and they're not possible. Be sure we've seen everything possible in a comic book ever. It happens and that yeah, totally that can happen. But I think right now there's two different subsets of what's happening with Marvel. It's the people who only watch the Don't necessarily watch anything out and they only watch specific movies not like us. Well, we've seen everything and we've digested everything. I know people who have just like watch two or three movies and then watch endgame and then watch Infinity war and they're like cool if they start coming in with those deep cuts and making them key points. It's going to start making people feel like well, I've been watching like what am I missing out on at this point? Yeah, and I don't think that that's something that they want to introduce at this point a great. Because that's also dwelling on things in the past. And if we know anything they're moving on like they were getting a new Avengers. We're getting are there sure we're getting the Eternal where we're moving on from that to ya so that kind of stuff would just be kind of Milling around in the past. And what are you really doing with that? You know, here's a pitch and I'm just going to spit ball this K. But most of the events of the Netflix Marvel stuff takes place right after Avengers 1, correct? No, that's kind of big. I get that out Daredevil the first season premiered in 2015 Jessica Jones. 2015 Daredevil season 2 2016 Luke Cage season 1 2016 Jessica Jones season 2 I think was 2016 or 2017 like they're all kind of scattered throughout and I feel like there is it's basically real time. We're like a couple months go by Between each season of a thing, but 2015. They're only talking about the event in New York because that did occur in 2012. It's just that there are of course still going to be talking about. It through years later because all the buildings were knocked down and and Kingpin was riding, you know rising up that sort of thing because I guess where I was going with that is because of the snap and because everything that happens and we're now technically in 2023 in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, correct, you could you could make it brand new Daredevil movie with Charlie Cox as the main character. Yeah, and he's like we either have like he's either been off the radar for seven years or whatever. Basically you can like a jump the character with the time. Yeah, and you could you could give him a fresh start without having to You do his origin. I agree. I mean, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, and and really my biggest wish is isn't that I want them necessarily to get another season of the show and I don't necessarily want them to get a movie. Like I just want them to be able to if there is an opportunity if they're if they're workshopping the next Spider-Man movie and they're like, you know what he needs a lawyer were saying Craven we were saying craving but it's like for what we want to put Peter through be kind of cool. If you went up against just like a New York crime guy God damn it. We have Kingpin. If we put you know just that just that like just that potentiality because they're bringing in. You know, Thunderbolt Ross Yes, they're bringing in it's just what they've been doing in the movie. See I don't think a character like Kingpin though is something that they go well maybe Kingpin. It's like knows this is Kingpin. I can get three kingdom with respect. I get that. You're right. He's not a supporting character. He's not a surprise thinking of more like how Edwin Jarvis cameoed in Avengers end game from the agent Carter TV show, right? And I'm thinking more like have Matt Murdock Cameo is a The lawyer in Spider-Man 3 or whatever or have him cameos a lawyer in the She-Hulk show and maybe you're right Augustine. Maybe these characters are too big to really that they deserve better than that, right? But again dude at the end of Shazam. How better would it have been if Henry Cavill was like dude, I'm down to clown put me in the suit and I'm there. I'm Superman looks up and it's like the camera guy was I'm in the cafeteria, you know, I was watching, you know engineering show on Disney plus and Bob Iger says this thing when they were California Adventure was in its first iteration, Ation before they changed it and he said that there's a balance you have to hit between being fresh and Innovative and having being so reverent to the things in the past that your your property or your place becomes a museum and nobody want like essentially a company like Disney if you've noticed what they've been doing now, their stuff is not in a museum anymore. Like they're they're taking an ax to everything and they're like, how can we make this better work forward forward forward? Yeah. What which is what leads me to think why this is happening like we will hopefully in some way get an honor to what Matt Murdock what Charlie Cox did what all those actors did yeah in the Netflix, but to have them be that revered for that for a show that for us was fantastic. Yeah for the most of the public drop in the water drop in the bucket might not even have known that it existed. Yeah, I get it. Are you going to hold that on such a high pedestal? You know what it comes, you know what it comes from for me. Dude is because I'm so used to the continuing cycle of Marvel Comics solutely and Marvel Comics has characters that do not die right are used constantly. Yes, and I've read Marvel for so much of my life that I've seen Luke Cage be the leader of the Avengers. Do you mean I've seen all that potentiality then I'm like oh, but I want Daredevil to meet Spider-Man and I want one Punisher to fight with, you know, all of that kind of thing. So I won't be the exact know we might not necessarily because going forward to talking about going forward we will Never have Captain America and Spider-Man team-up again. At least Steve Rogers. You said I'm saying and I'm okay with that but my comic book Brain is so used to that that that's kind of a bummer. But but movie brain is like that's the way it needs to be. Tony Stark died. Right? Like I don't want them to just bring back Robert Downey just to be like well now you can Robert Downey's gonna talk to Sheree. It's like, I don't know that gives us why it doesn't make sense. It never happened. I missed out sure but the story was told right. So maybe Disney looking at it like dude dare to look at three seasons story was told ya, you know, Luke Cage got fired. So is that a yes fireworks, you know, okay. I was like the light just this disguise completely having these characters and their evolution. I want to see Luke Cage and Jessica Jones like have a kid and get married. Yeah didn't mean I want that and then I want them to have to deal with squirrels. I want a squirrel baby to replace their baby. It's all the shit that comes from comics and it's people like you though Hector that should be in the writing room in the creation room that know all of these things and and hold them to that degree to wear a whole creative team could come in and be like, okay, how can we take this story that is clearly important to this character and molded into what we need in the future like Tony Stark. Steve. Rogers will never talk to Charles Xavier. Yeah that level of like, oh, yeah. Exactly Wolverine and Captain America will never be said by side in a shot and movie and because the Netflix characters Agents of Shield cloak-and-dagger who those actors. I love The Runaways who those actors I think are great. Those young actors are all still alive and around and they're my frustration is I hope it's not and we've closed the chapter on that book. It's like no, it's you didn't do the endgame story where Tony Stark died like Daredevils, they're like, so I'm like did it I use use them used. I want them to be used in that Marvel Studios. Way to be like now I'm satisfied now, you can okay. I'll never see you know, the that that Gabriel Luna Ghostwriter again boy. Oh boy, because what happens now is what is right. What a great like moment in that movie that he showed up in the blade movie or whatever cool don't like but I just want that. Yeah. We took be characters. Yeah, that's in America and Iron Man and made them a 10-year Arc a character amazing a plus plus St. Or character like super SS. Here characters you can do that with other people great gets very possibly read That's why part of me is a really spoiled that on the DC side something like Crisis comes out and you get to see all these characters together, right? But there is that part of me. That's like I want to go to a theater for sure and I'm a jackass and see like this because God's blessing God bless all the people that work on the CW shows but it again another part of me is like, oh, I wish that y'all could play in that sandbox of your 200 million dollar budgets. Yeah, you know cause you got the crisis actors in their costumes that are cool, but there are those Other CW costumes and they're fighting the CG like Shadow Demon prices monsters and I'm like, yeah, those are cool. But imagine if they looked as good as the things in Harry Potter. Yeah, this would be so time. Yeah, that's a whole nother conversation. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree with all that stuff and I'm glad we had this conversation because it's like maybe I feel better about it now guys, thank you may be getting it off my chest. I think it's just thinking outside of your normal breathing - I've been dealing with this since they killed off by Ben Urich in Daredevil season where you know this when he killed him almost like a social never me Spider-Man. I know I'm so surprised by that. Yeah, lastly we're going to talk about going to shift over to DC. It's kind of a short story kind of a no-brainer flash will be released on June 1st. Sorry July 1st 2022. And then we CIT is still on board to direct as far as we know as we're Miller is still on board to play the role of The Flash and then Shazam to also got a date April 1st 2022. That is not an April Fool's joke. Actually happening The Kind of Perfect though. It is kind of perfect first day before my birthday. Yep. Yep. Yep, and it would coming out about four months after Black Adam debuts in theaters. So Black Adams plants any seeds towards him meeting Shazam Shazam to could explore that. I don't think we'll get Black Adam in the Shazam sequel, but who knows it's very possible that it could happen. Maybe that's why they very strategically placed those movies the way they did. I hope they do III not that I don't love Shazam. I do love that character. I love the Captain Marvel Mythos. I love I love everything about it. Yo, you did Savannah like you did. You know, what's a character's name fattiest Savannah in the first movie. You had a meet the little worm more. Mr. Mine. Yes, they team up sure. That's a little bit of a formidable Duo but it's Black Adam versus Shazam all the way. If you do not do the movie with The Rock and do the Black Adam movie that at the end of it Shazam and Superman show up or you know something to that level of like Shazam does some shit and he's just like Your move like and that's the end of the movie were like, oh he I can't believe you won. He took over that country. He did. He like like beheaded the Statue of Liberty, whatever crazy shit he could do and then it opens or like, you know, Shazam shows up Billy Batson. Is there a Zachary Levi just like what the fuck you know like a Spider-Man and again what the fuck and then cut you need to have Black Adam as the main villain inches am to that's its I want to see that throw down. So yeah, but if you wanted to give again Black Adam his own movie. Yeah fine, but Got it. Gotta get that going those football helmet get that gun. Yeah, that would actually go get that bread. Cool. Actually. Yeah The Clash of the Titans, that would be greed. Pretty awesome. This makes me wonder if I remember we heard some news a while ago that Ezra Miller was kind of trying to Pilot his own version of the flat, right? Yes that with him and Grant Morrison. Yeah, so that's no longer ago. The last Duo who was on the movie where John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein game and then yes, they were writing they wrote their Our own version of the movie they were going to direct it and then they left and just write one like it chapter 2 was in theaters. They announced a new muschietti was going to be taking over flash. I have no clue who script he's using. I don't know if it's going to be the script that was written for the last movie or if they're I don't know The Flash movie is weird The Flash movie more so than a lot of the other ones at least from what we have publicly heard has been the one that's changed the most. Yeah from a flash origin story to a Flashpoint point back to a flash maybe something else that it is it It's not a joker rewrite. Oh, yeah, I know so I don't know. I just going to go down the stairs really fast. This is gonna go really fast Anna and that's a trailer three second trailer. So I don't know I continue to remain optimistic about this Flash movie. I think it will eventually come out but because of how much it's changed hands so many times when I hear that they announced a release date for this movie. I don't really get excited. For me, I have to see like we're rolling cameras its principal photography. Yeah, it might be too early to call but I'm smelling a Gambit. That's an industry term now seen Elena gamma Melena Gambit. This has whiffs of Gambit on it slight with some Gap could have possibly what was the last game they heard before that movie was shut down IP. It was Doug liman would get an interview and he was like, I think that's projects is dead. Yeah, and I don't think it was too long ago know. Yeah, it wasn't too long ago. Yeah, and that kept being passed around that we never saw Channing Tatum ever won as we have seen this dude. Now twice three times three times as fast. Yeah. Yeah. So we're Channing. He was so stoked on that. He remember that photo is taken there buddy the next 2016, I think so for years I didn't get To do 21 Jump Street Men In Black. Yeah. What a bummer. I think he'll be okay. Yeah, I don't know I say my I would agree with you Adam. Is that a little too early to tell I would love to hear some more news, but hearing just that Shazam to has a release date gets me excited because there was a movie I got Shazam at home. Like I watch that. It feels like it has little seeds for setting up for like continuing the story. I think again kind of similar to Power Rangers. Like I like a lot of that movie and I feel like a lot of it could be improved. Yeah in a sequel so I'm like, let's go 80 let's go now with this with Black Adam, it feels like oh, they're really gonna support that side of the DC Universe that magical side could be its own little mini franchise. Let's go. Let's go. Let's make it happen bring in dr. Fate bringing detective chimp bring in Blue Devil bringing all these weird. That's what I want to start seeing from from from DC is really embracing kind of like more of like one of the weird. What if yo, what if they did this not even weird let it go this character. Let me throw this at you. You know, I like picture this, you know, how if you never saw a Marvel movie and then you go watch it. Either man far from home and you never saw a single one. Can you imagine that context would be just be like, whoa, what the hell look at all what is all these characters? What is this? Why is yeah this whole world? I know I know person who's never Spider-Man movie was Far From Home. Wow, and we were like they were like, why is Tony so important? I'm like, are you kidding me? Like you you cannot watch this movie right now. Imagine if Warner Brothers with the DC brand just Aquaman 2. Coming out and it's just like hey, there's for Green Lantern's. Yep there, you know, I mean, there's there's been now three Robbins and a Batman he's over there. Yes, ma'am died. He's come back and we got Supergirl. We got them together. There's a Justice League there suggested Society. There's a Doom Patrol or spray and we had a base here now, it's in the Watchtower and it came down. There's birds of prey there's this this and this we've got a Suicide Squad. We've got a Legion of Doom we've got the Injustice League of all this other stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah Lex Luthor Jesse Eisenberg. He tried to do that thing. He talked about it already happened. We already beat him. Don't worry about that Strokes in jail and it's just we're here like what if they skipped two like Movie 38? Yeah and try to be like, oh now we got to worry about dark side. Now he's invading like what would you guys like that or do you think that they should I baby steps baby cries baby. They were already they were doing that in Batman vs. Superman like yeah, we got ever submit to me was like DC movie to na a Superman sequel right DC movie to right and if there's an I don't want to say that it can never work because it is very possible because you watch episode 1 of young Johnson watch man watch me right now, and I'm like what the fuck is going on, but I'm still watching it but it's a great show like it's giving you hints of what's happening. And it's yes, it's clear when you watch that show that important things happened in the 80s, right and that's a comic exactly like, okay. Okay, and you're like look, you know. Yeah, here's the thing. So that is that can be told because it's an hour every week. So again, we have eight hours to explore. Those are so dark one of Young Justice and then that whole season exact sort of One Drops you in there like there's been a Justice League. There's this there's been this and you know, Dick Grayson is Robin and Grand Wally West's kid flash and we didn't show you each of their Origins. They're just here. Yeah. Would that I think as a movie no, that wouldn't work as a very expensive Mandalorian Disney plus style show on HBO Max. Yeah do that. Like let's let's flush out this world because one thing that I love about most successful stories or stories that I love. Is that the world is already fleshed out when you jump into it, there's clear rules. There's things are happening. Like we jumped into avatar the Last been Airbender a hundred years into a war right right. Now like ain't even Star Wars and you hope right? It's episode. It's obvious like more stuffs already. It's it is very possible. We just have to have the people who have the drive that really want to tell this story rather than the guy who can get it in under budget, you know, like that guy is not the best person to jump into a story that It already has tons of History into yeah, like I don't know just Pie in the Sky. If it was like the first movie that opens whatever it is. If it's like a Justice League movie or a Batman whatever, you know, it's Ten Years After the apocalypse War. You know what? I mean? Well, that might be I don't know that might be too much. I just mean how normally in superhero universes Marvel and DC and even like Valiant and even like Invincible. It's like there's like one or two sort of First characters and then it just kind of proves the world it just kind of blows. Up to just be like they're everywhere the world is populated by characters and I'm thinking maybe DC can just start like doing that again my dream pie in the sky for Aquaman 2 is like five years go by right or whenever that movie like opens. That's how much time has passed and Aquaman just has a child with Mara and they're married and it you know, just to move the story forward Shazam to if you told me like when is it coming out 2022 when the first one came out 2018. So 18 19 19 No, I don't remember. It was easier. It was exam 19. It was this year. It was this. Yeah, it's the same year as Captain Marvel Captain Marvel Movies 22 3 years past. These kids are going to go from 12 13 to 16. But gonna be older no matter whatever, you know, they're going to be older like that time needs to progress. I don't want them to just be like, it's been two weeks. Yeah. It's now summer summer months. It's we weren't Philadelphia. It's summer now and I saw him like this, like don't do that make them 17 saw what happened with the chapter to make them. No make them going to college make up whatever the various ages they are. But if in that world they talk about the way that they talked about Batman Superman and rest of the characters. What if they're also like I all the you hear about this new guy you're about this, you know, like very Freeman's I call Jack I'm so stoked about this new guy. He's a chimp who solves crime in her like you're crazy and then they just keep going and fans were like ha ha but honestly if if it's like if it's like an interesting enough little tidbit. It's like then maybe Warner Brothers could do some you know, like who do you like more? Hoc Manner hawkwoman and then Billy Batson Zach, I don't know. Man, I guess Hockman. She's hotter or something, you know, and he's like boom you got your Hawks like they are alive they exist, you know have Plastic Man in the background on a TV like doing an interview, you know, and Billy could be like see how come I never get pressed like my religion Plastic Man little just jump into the middle of the world and just start telling me stories. Yeah with it being populated the way that it is the way that we're used to the DC Universe being pop when you open a comic book and they're referencing everything in your like, okay, but um, this is an Aquaman comic I'm not yet talking argument storm not handing you Action Comics number one. We're just Superman. You Infinite Crisis number for yeah, and you're like what the fuck like look at all these characters, but also is that too intimidating for a casual Watcher if maybe I want to focus on world-building. Yeah, but still tell your story. I think it's very possible to focus more on the World building rather than the characters like you're saying you're right like instead of having this movie. I think part of the problem before was every issue was like a world ending issue. It was like a big that kind of thing. Let's focus on like an interesting world where superheroes exist maybe a little bit like The Incredibles who knows like the we jumped into that World Superheroes were already illegal at that point. Yeah, so we jumped into something very different. So I think like I said, it is very possible to do all this stuff and all these ideas we could spit ball and I'm sure there's something in there that we could find it's just we have to and whoever's writing. It has to approach it at the right angle and it's about Billy Batson and right store. Like that's what Jack Like needs to be an exam to could be the driver to go into this universe because now you're kind of used to oh, well, look, he's got his family. Like there's more people with superpowers in this we already kind of mentioned Superman and Batman and all these things. Yeah. So yeah, it's already lightly starting to do that. But I think I think for the super casual Watcher it's going to be super intimidating just like it's a super casual comic book reader just going to a comic book store and pick things and spect to you know, everything that's happening. I get that. I think that's you have to kind of strike the right balance with all this stuff. That's why I'm kind of excited for birds of prey because I feel like that's an opportunity for them to do a story. That's not like a world ending cataclysmic apocalyptic story. It's yes and very controlled way. Yeah, like it's small skilled. Yeah. Exactly. Absolutely. And what's the movie coming out after that Wonder Woman Wonder Woman 84 that can dip dip a little bit into both words like it's not necessarily world ending but it's bigger scale but also like very personal Stakes. Yeah, you know, I think Like a way to sort of like balance all that stuff out so you can go to a movie like flash for example, if it's just about if it's an origin story and it's about, you know, very trying to solve his mother's murder then like that's a very personal and it's not like world ending but you can plant seeds of like reverse flash and like messing with, you know, that time the timelines and lots of so, it's like you're planting seeds for bigger things. But also it's very personal and centralized. I mean, that could be almost back to the future style. Yeah be making right there because that's what I thought flashes and wanted. So well was playing with berries origin and how he experienced those events. Yeah, so we will see too many ideas guys have any ideas. Yeah based on a news article. That's literally three bullet points. Yeah, and two of them are about release dates, but we'd love to hear from you guys. Let us know in the comments below we thought about everything that we discussed. What do you think DC could do to maybe build out some sort of a universe without having to do origin story after origin story after origin story. How do you feel about Marvel TV closing its doors and shifting over to Marvel Studios and the first topic the Power Rangers. Reboot going back to the 90s some I think some of us were a little conflicted thumbs-up. Thumbs-down would love to know you guys head over to patreon check out all the stuff. They were doing the Mandalorian podcast and a lot of other stuff. We're doing full reactions crisis on infinite Earths will probably do more stuff very soon as well. And the end of the year. We're going to close off with our favorite movies of 2019 and our favorite movies of the last decade Whoa, We will be ending on episode 100. I think perfect. Boom. Wow. Wow, that'd be amazing though. I'm pretty cool. 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Crisis on Infinite Earths Reactions Paramount is rebooting the Power Rangers again, with a new movie that will explore the Rangers being sent back to the 1990s and being forced to find their way home. The 2017 film, released by Lionsgate only grossed $145 mil worldwide on a $100 mil budget. Marvel TV is closing its doors and is being absorbed into Marvel Studios. Several projects in development, including MODOK, Hit-Monkey, Tigra & Dazzler, Howard the Duck, The Offenders and live-action Helstrom are still moving forward. Jeph Loeb, the creative executive who has overseen all of Marvel TV from Agents of SHIELD to the Marvel-Netflix universe will remain through the transitional process. Kevin Feige will oversee TV, film, publishing and animation, under Marvel Family Entertainment. Marvel Studios will continue producing shows for Disney Plus, Hulu and ABC Networks. The sequel to SHAZAM! and The Flash have secured release dates for 2022. Zachary Levi will return as the titular character for a April 1, 2022 release date. Andy Muschietti will direct Ezra Miller in a solo adventure starring the Scarlet Speedster, coming to theaters July 1, 2022.

If you've never heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast and I'll explain really quickly my favorite part. It's free. There's actually creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. If you want it will actually distribute your podcast so it can be heard on Spotify apple as and many more and you can actually make money from it without any minimum numbers of listeners, and it'sThat you need to actually make a podcast in one place. So do this download the free anchor app or go to Anchor the FM to get started. In this first episode. I actually interviewed Brian Shulman who is really my mentor when it comes to LinkedIn had the opportunity of connecting with him back in April of 2019. And he was just so encouraging. So motivating his content is so positive. He's been on LinkedIn every day for the last 16 years and was one of the first beta There's four video. So he got nicknamed The Godfather of LinkedIn video, so I can't wait for you all to hear his inspiring story of his journey. Just being born and coming to this earth. Check it out and let me know what you think. Be sure to like share subscribe and rate the podcast if you like it. Thanks so much. Hey everybody and welcome to the blaze your own trail podcast. I'm your host George Mendoza and I've got a very special guest with me today. It's my first guest on the podcast some of you may know him. His name is Brian Schulman, and I want to give you all some some insights on Brian just a little bit about him. His background and so, you know Brian has been on the internet since it was a green screen and chat rooms more than 20 years proven in the digital marketing space and e-commerce. He's worked with tons of Fortune 500 Brands as well. As I are 500 Brands across the globe and I could probably stop there, but I'm going to give you all a little bit more insights into him. So he is a Forbes featured entrepreneur and as well as LinkedIn top voice. He's a The founder and CEO of voice your Vibe and he's created a hashtag on LinkedIn. You might have seen it. It's called hashtag voice your Vibe. Now. He's one of the pioneering top LinkedIn video creators not just in the States, but actually across the globe and he's a sought-after international speaker. He does speaking engagements throughout the year in July of 2019. He actually broke the LinkedIn live record of three hours being the first to broadcast live. And for more than four hours and you know, so Brian that's such an amazing bio and in such an amazing accomplishments and what are you about 25-30. So how did you do this in that short of a period of time? Yeah, you're way too kind you can you can call me 25 or 30 as much as you want. Yeah. I was I started inside my mom's womb. That's pretty much how it all happened. No, I Jordan. I'm just going to start by saying aye I have so much love for you and I'm so so honored to be your very first guest on this podcast. I'm so excited for you and show and just excited for where we're going to dig into today. So thank you for having me. There's a problem. Appreciate appreciate you being here. Yeah, absolutely. Just I'm a big big fan of yours and everything you do and and I know this is going to be an awesome conversation. Station and I can't wait to see all the incredible conversations that you have with with your guests come so, okay. Well for some folks that are out there, you know, you have a pretty amazing story and like you said, you know it all started in your mom's womb and you know your journey to to life, you know wasn't easy. So I want you to just give us a little glimpse into that and then I've got some other follow-up questions that I want to ask and so the audience can get some insights into Brian Schulman a little bit better. Yeah. Sure. So I have actually been doing this just the last couple podcast. I've been on because I think it I think there's something really powerful when you hear stories from other voices that are a big part of your heart. So I want to answer that question, but I want to actually answer that question through my daughter's voice if you're okay with it. Absolutely, that'd be that'd be amazing. So let me let me give you some backstory here. So I was sitting in my home office and doing some work my daughter walks in and she hands me a couple pieces of paper which now I have in my hand. And this was January of last year and she just said I want you to read something and so I stopped what I was doing and she sat down in the chair next to me. She wanted me to read it while she was sitting there and and at very top it says four ways speech contest essay, which I came to find out was extra credit like she didn't have to do this. And so it's entitled like she gave me no background. She just handed me these papers and so that the title of it is live to inspire. So, imma try and get through this without breaking down, but I've yet to accomplish that so just bear with me. This story about to be told is about an extraordinary Man 42 years young who accepted all the obstacles life had to throw at him. Now. I know you may be thinking that everyone has different obstacles. They just overcome throughout their lifetime. So, how is he different from you? And I what makes this particular man different from you and I Is the tactic to used when faced with these obstacles will make some different from you and I as he took these obstacles and use them to help make a difference and Inspire others to never let life get in the way of their greatness and achievements. What makes us different from everyone else is not the obstacles that life throws at us. But what we do when faced with these obstacles, will you choose to accept defeat? Or choose to persevere on May 13th, 1975 a child was born in Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. This child was born three months early weighing a pound and a half and because of that was a premature baby during the early 80s. He was diagnosed with Tourette Syndrome, which is a type of tick or twitch involuntary repetitive movements and localization type of neurological disorder and one day at Camp the council. Had to take this young boy to a payphone tears streaming down his face to call his mother because his neck was constantly snapping to one side over and over and over again. He went to various doctors who perform countless neurological medical exams to try and find a cure for his disorder. Every doctor said the same thing. He's fine. He'll grow out of it one day in fifth grade. He stood up in front of his entire class. And shared with them what Tourette Syndrome was and what living with Tourette Syndrome was like a huge weight was lifted off his shoulders. Once he shared his story with his classmates and it generated many supporters whether they be friends parents were teachers finally a specialist at UCLA told him once diagnosed that he would never be able to get rid of this disorder let alone and suggested that he take a special drug called clonidine to help with the X unfortunately with this drug came horrible side effects, he made a conscious decision not to take the pills after a few years and try to master his condition through focus and determination after a while the tick started to diminish and for the most part went away. No one knows what life has in store for them. All they can all we can do is live until we're forced to face an obstacle in which we must make a choice to either overcome or accept defeat the rotary forward test demonstrates how one person can make a difference in the lives of others with the experiences. This boy had to face came a life lesson with determination perseverance and support from others anything can happen now 42 years young this man chose to use his story to make a difference in the lives of Hers by inspiring people in times of uncertainty. He implements The rotaries Motto service before self by finding the light in those who cannot find it in themselves supporting them through their tough obstacles. He helps to lift people's spirits and hopes in times of hopelessness and despair. He helps people turn their ideas and dreams into realities. He helps build people from the ground up and hopes that they too will one day share their stories with others. He makes a difference in this world each and every day. Which inspires others to make a difference as well? Who may you ask is this man? Well he is. He is my father. Out of all the lives he's made a difference in. I believe he's made the biggest difference in mine. He inspires me to never give up on what I believe in. It's always do what makes me happy. but most importantly to always live every day as if it were the last because we are never guaranteed tomorrow. As Gandhi once said be the change you wish to see in the world. Making a difference in the lives of others is my dad's change. What will be yours man? Yeah. That's a I don't even know how you were able to read it out loud, you know, like holy cow and that's a in so, you know what I take away from that is like you've not only inspired thousands of people globally, but, you know one that you have the ability to create, you know, and that's got to be Probably one of the most rewarding Inspirations to you know to your credit and and I understand everything. She's saying Brian and I know I've told you this before but I definitely want my audience to know but back in April. I came across your what's good Wednesday videos, you know, and I remember the first Wednesday. I saw it. I was like who the I was like, first of all when did video come on LinkedIn like where the heck did this come from? Because I was so dormant I wasn't using The platform and then I came across this guy Brian Shulman on Wednesday. And I was like, who is this guy like this? This video is pretty cool like, you know, and I started reading the comments and everybody was talking about things that were good and I just started to I knew that that I had to start following you as was the first thing, you know, it was it was an instant. I've got to follow this guy. This guy's got something something going on. I had zero context into really who you are except for. A guy on video, you know and then you shout out Saturday happened, you know, and I remember coming across my feet on a Saturday and I was like man this guy like is is giving back to people he is literally inspiring and shouting people out and and it and it was something as basic as I had a conversation with you and when I looked around my world, I didn't have anyone else that was doing that. I didn't have anybody that was by providing value and insights and and love and support and encouragement into people on a daily basis. So, you know from the bottom of my heart, you know, thank you because you sparked in me that ability to create that first video and as you know, my friend is we've been having these conversations since I think our first talk was I think maybe in May when I was up in Boston and and I haven't looked back ever since I've been, you know creating content and talking. Things that are important to me and you really gave me that courage to say, you know, why am I worried about being judged by other people because even though I'm super energetic always been an optimistic guy and positive like I still had those things in my head of like who wants to listen to me like why do I have a message that needs to be shared and really like you helped get that out of me and from that story that your daughter wrote It's you do that literally on a daily. We basis and so, you know your motto of wanting to inspire one person a day. That's a model that I want to try to live by as well because it's it's it's amazing. So thank you. Thank you. And you do Jordan you do you inspire me you and spiral you inspire people the world. I don't know if you actually recognize it and I say that because honestly, you know, yeah, my my why is to inspire one person? the day and you know, I have people tell me all the time, you know to your to your words that I'm inspiring people all over the world and I think don't get me wrong. Like that's my hopes. Like I want to inspire millions of people right but one person. I mean it just just one person because one person can impact another person can impact another person becomes a ripple effect then and I think is this you and I are a really good example, right how I inspired you and you are inspiring others and others are being inspired by you and wanting to do the same right and it's it's just it's awesome. It really is. Awesome, and and you know, you talk about the courage and the bravery and finding that, you know, I you had a voice and you know the confidence that kind of built in you and that was me Jordan. I was you I was completely uncomfortable. I didn't have confidence. I had never you know, put the phone in front of my face before and done what you see me do now almost five hundred times on video on LinkedIn to years end of this month. I was so green. I didn't even know there were apps that existed to for videos. I got I didn't know anything about any of it and and it was really really uncomfortable. But I think I don't know. I've spent my whole life getting comfortable being uncomfortable and I mean it all right. What I should say is I've spent my whole life being uncomfortable the getting comfortable part happened along the way, you know, it's like it I think there's different things that happen to us along our journey that that help with that are mindset shift. you know, I mean, I never honestly I literally didn't have a voice coming into this world, you know, and then not only being the small kid, but then being the weird kid my whole life, you know with Tourette's which which by the way, it's interesting because you know, you talk about just courage and bravery and not really feeling you have a voice in especially in a if you put it in a context of like a LinkedIn right like it's like jumping into I don't even know what the analogy is, but you're jumping into this world that you may not fully get right and and then you because it's just so different than what you're used to being in and then and then it's it's all these business professionals right millions and millions of business professionals that are here and you're sitting here going. Oh my God. I'm going to get on video. Like what am I going to say? How am I going to be judged? Well, it's my boss going to think. What's that person going to think what am I potential clients or Partners or customers going to think like there's all these things that go into your head, right? And I think about the fact that I fallen so much more and I failed so much more than I have succeeded and yet I think the really important part about that statement is the fact that every time you do phone fail. You are succeeding you are winning because that's when you're learning and you certainly don't know when it happens, you know, whatever diversity we go through in life. You know those really I was just sharing this The friend of mine the other day that's going through a really hard time right now. And and I told him that I said, you don't have to know why this is happening to you because if you try and figure out the why you're going to drive yourself literally crazy trying to figure it out. All you need to know is that it's meant to happen this way. And that something good is going to come from it. It may not happen right this second. But I guarantee you from my own personal experience that everything happens for a reason if it's meant to be it'll be and there's always something good that comes from having every trial and tribulation every challenge every grind that you have to go through in your life. You know, when a lot of times we'll look back and go why is it so hard? Right, like why does life? Yeah, I think we all go through this at some point. You know, you look up and you go why like what? Why do you keep putting me through so much? Right, like like give me a bone if you will, like like show me some light, you know, because it feels like every single like there's just one but it's one more thing and it just keeps talking like a cake on top of each other. You know, I was I was bullied growing up as a kid. I was always the small kids. So there was that and I had the Tourette's I was the weird kid and and there was that and you know, I never knew who was really my friend and you know, because the Has a lot of tongue and cheek even from the people that were close to me, you know, and and and and being the last kid picked for whatever it was and you know, all those things right and going through some pretty dark depressional type moments and then coming out of them and then something flipping in my head and realizing. Hey, okay, you know what? I want to be around more people. I don't ever want anyone feeling the way that I did or being treated the way that I did or I want them to walk away feeling. Good and uplifted and positive and better. I want them to feel better. Right it took me up until High School to kind of get to that place and that was fostered certainly about my parents. But and then really breaking out of the shell come from college and then finding LinkedIn along the way and and just all of that right and and I mean really it wasn't until my very first LinkedIn video that I realized. I had a voice. Voice and a story that mattered because honestly Jordan I never the word weird, right? I never looked at the word weird is a good thing. I looked and I thought of the word disability versus differently-abled, you know, like it was it was more of a negative connotation not count on one hand. The number of times that I never really talked about the life story stuff, you know fifth grade when I got diagnosed. I was able to finally say this is what this is and I was terrified and leave the same time, you know wrote a paper about it in eighth grade wrote a paper about it in college one time in high school. I passed a kid in the hallway when my classmates he did three different ticks at one time and I knew in an instant he had Tourette's and I remember going home to my mom and telling her and I'm like, I don't know what to do. But I know question I know it and we wind up getting him and his parents to UCLA where I got diagnosed in the 80s which by the way back then was it was so new like there was no, you know, there were no thick books with all this information yet. It was just it was really early right and And one time in my career where I had barely any experience, I mean I I started in retail kind of grew up in that industry and and then gotten a technology and I didn't have many I didn't really have much in terms of legs to stand on or any things to tout. I was inside was going into sales. And so I figured I'll just tell my story it's about tenacity and grit and learning and growing and give me a shot. Shot right? I mean everybody everybody in their career can relate to this like somebody gave you a shot at some point. You may not have felt you deserved it or that you were worthy or that you had you didn't have any experience but somebody gave you a shot to earn that experience right to get that to get that opportunity and I know was like 88 different hiring managers and a bunch of people in between and should the whole life story thing and after every single interview, they all said the same. I think that's a great story. But why should we hire you? And I just kept you know, I kept going through it and kept staring at same questions and I walk out of there with my head down and tail between my legs and I said I'm never going to talk about this again because again, I looked at it as I'm weird. I'm different and I don't want to be I just want to blend in right like that was always the thing. I didn't want to stand out and there's so many stories along the like it sure about that kind of stuff. But I think the point though is I never talked about it after that. I never talked about it in the Is you know and fast forward to LinkedIn video which is now just two and a half years old. That my very first video is me sharing my life story and it was in front of 500 million people at that time and I was terrified I had access for five months. I sat on it one because I was terrified because all I thought was what if my Tourette's come out which suggests just for your listeners for your audience's sake in the height of my Tourette's which was in my teens. I was jumping up and down somersaulting from room to room multiple facial expressions. Lots of auditory. Is this intention act which is wrist flicking a lot of times these things would commingle to and kicker is that you don't know you're doing them more times than not when it's happening. So I had many many moments where I'm sitting here going. I don't understand I'd come home crying to my mom and say what is everybody you know, why does nobody like me and what is ever to keep making fun of me? And I did it because I didn't I just didn't understand I didn't know and she'd the amazing mother of mine. Would he take me in the bathroom and she these big mirrors and and she'd say, okay. I want you to see something and she do every ticket which I was doing. and then say okay let her rep, you know, whatever you've got and you let it out because I would try and suppress it problem is when you do that, it's like a bomb waiting to go off and so I just would let it all go and then she put on some music and we start dancing and you know, it was a way to I'm almost really really really good is really good about like that kind of stuff, you know, always giving me a place of safety and and and fun and laughter and you know at the same time right because it's important to it's important to recognize what's happening when it's happening. But but also lighten the mood absolutely no, no and I appreciate you sharing those those insights and you know, when you mention, you know failure and how you know, you've had in order to be a successful as you are you have. Go through that adversity. You have to go through those things and and I'm really a firm believer to that. You know, we're a sum total of all our failures right as long as we learn from them because I think that you can you can fail but if you don't learn the lesson that it's there to teach you then it's hard to get to the other side of it. But truthfully if you think about life in general like we are the sum total of all everything that we've done that we failed in if we took that lesson and we applied it to the next thing we did. Hopefully not repeating it then those are things That we can teach other people, you know, that's that's how we can actually help give value back to others and say, you know, listen this is what I did don't do this. Let's let's try something different, you know and apply this technique. Now it's so true in life and business. It doesn't matter. Right? I mean, I've been building startups for 20 years and I've literally been through the lowest of lows in the highest of highs of helped take companies public and Acquisitions and mergers and all that and and it's so true like what you just said is so true and if we in anything right anything in life and business like if we learn from that, You know, I didn't even realize along my journey how much I was learning until other Founders were reaching out to me going. We would really love, you know to work with you so that we can understand things that you've been through that we haven't gotten to yet. You know, maybe we can we don't have to go down this really long road. That's and grind our knees as much as we have to if we can learn from things. list and kind of pivot and or node when the pivot right that those are the biggest things that I found just along the journey where it's the unknown right when you don't know what you don't know you it's a crazy ride, right, but that's what you're saying, which is We don't know what we don't know a lot of times, you know even just thinking about it as a parent, right? I mean, I've got a 19 year old is going to first year in college and a junior in high school who it's I think as parents. We it's a natural parental instinct to want to grab their shirt before they step in a hole or fall off a cliff or fall on the ground or trip on something right. We we don't want them to necessarily have to go through something that we've been through and know what can happen, right? and yet sometimes they have to fall they have to take that step. They got a trip and we can be there to pick them up. Right? That's the important part is be there to lift them up to go. Okay? Yeah here let me just dust you off. Let me patch on the but you're good like smile. It's okay. It's okay to fall. It's okay to feel like you just completely flopped or whatever. It may be go do it again. Right like and that's the thing to write is I Know any better. I just kept getting up and going and my mom was there and you know, everybody around me in my life was there to could just you know, keep keep going and but again I didn't. I didn't look at all that stuff is. Why would I want to share that who's gonna care about that? Right? Which brings me to a pivotal moment which we talked about in terms of Wellington video in that first video. Right when that happened with LinkedIn video launched in Alpha June of 2017 the let's get honest campaign launched and it was from a number of different folks on LinkedIn Manu Swish goswami and authentic Alex and London and Michaela Alexis was actually it changed everything. I've been on LinkedIn everyday for 16 years come December. The platform was a year old when I joined and everyone was conforming. Yeah, you're fitting in this business box that they kind of put you in this business social networking platform. And so people were showing up and talking about business. It was all business and you were wearing your you know your suit you like you would if you will show up at any kind of company or job like a seem kind of thing is digitized And yet when the let's get on his campaign launched it changed everything more so at that time, Then the previous whatever it was 14 years for me because they were talking about things that were really personal and it wasn't even just that like for me inspirationally. This was a generation like they could have been my kids like literally and for them to rise up and share their heart but soon their voices and so know we talk about fears and failures but speech impediments and agoraphobia and rape like I mean talking some really Personal life stuff it was really inspiring right because they were using their voices and sharing something that was really vulnerable for them and I was inspired but again five months to take the leap and then finally do it and the kicker was all the love and support and encouragement that I saw from that it changed everything for me, especially knowing the history now that I've shared of what I've been through you noticed in in a small portion. I wanted to give that to everybody that I saw and there were you know, there weren't a lot of us Pioneers on LinkedIn video back when it started. But anybody I saw popping up anybody I saw getting on videos. Just I wanted to give them the same love support and encouragement and because it meant the world to me literally it meant everything to me and community means everything to me because of what I've been through and and and I wanted to bring people together for the good and make you know, I wanted people to feel Oh good going through their Journey because it was it was hard. It wasn't easy certainly wasn't easy for me. I know it was tough for a lot of people but more and more people start showing up and and you support them. And and I think it's just realizing something that you said, which is Everyone does have a voice in a story and a voice in a story that matters and if you understand that and if you realize that even in a place like LinkedIn, which most people in the majority of 655 million people look at it and go why would I ever do something like that on a business social networking platform? Because it's all about being human and it's all about relatability and people. Do business with people they like know and trust try you always get to know people. It's the human part first and when you show up and we share from your heart. Incredible things will happen. Yeah. Now you're absolutely right there. And you know, I remember, you know, when I posted that first video and I think the video I posted I haven't gone back to look at it probably since maybe three weeks after I posted it, but I can remember going back to it like every five minutes after I posted it and I was like has anyone seen this yet? You know, like I've got 700 I think I had like 7,000 followers or connections or whatever. Ever and I was like three people I was like well like yeah, this is yeah. I was excited. I was pump that you know, three views and then I was like, wait a minute. I think that was all me like all three times are probably actually me looking at that video and then I said, I was just kept I was like talking having the self-talk moment of like, what are you doing? Like who like who cares did you post it? Because you want to see how many people saw it or did you post it? Because you had a question to ask, you know, and so when I Really shifted that from like posting for the metric side of it and just went into listen if I want to talk about sales. I want to share something about sales that I went through that could help somebody that's in sales. Like the purpose is to provide value versus how many views am I going to get by saying this thing? And when I did that, I mean it literally changed everything like I actually got people that started engaging I was like, oh someone said something something and then I remember like not do wanting to say anything back because I was felt weird, you know, it was like like they said something should I respond to them? You know, it was just kind of like you said earlier. It was weird. It was like this. I remembered LinkedIn was where I would go when I got an alert on my phone that said bill just had his anniversary. Why don't you tell him congratulations? And so I'd be the guy congratulating like the 17 people on my list and then you know, and then it was like The universe happy work anniversary, you know like all these different things is really the only and I thought it was like maybe if I was looking for a job like it's recruiter that can help me. And so when I came back this April 2019 and saw your mug come across my feed. I don't even know how you came across. I mean it was just meant to be I guess that that all of a sudden, you know, there was a hashtag that I use that, you know was synonymous with you and then you showed up and I was like What the heck, you know, it's like it was like a events, you know and then thinking about it and saying like could I do this to you know, because truthfully if we really think deep down about about what video is video is public speaking and for me as a facilitator as a trainer is a speaker as a coach. I do public speaking all the time, you know, but I look at it different though because like you said earlier the audience is Presidents and CEOs and co-workers. An actual friends like people that know me outside of you know, a networking platform. And so you're worried worried about that Judgment of like, you know, what if they think asks a silly question or maybe they hit the dislike button. Maybe they'll you know, and even though there's not a dislike button. It's like imaginary button that you think's there. And so I think for me it was like that that shift like once I realized everybody that's on there is a living breathing human. They all laugh they All cry they all stub their toe they all go through these things and so I just started doing it and saying, you know, I think I want to help people on a bunch of different levels, whether it's with sales customer service, whether it's personality assessments, which you know, I specialize in like I want to educate people and add that value to them. And so as long as I'm going in it like that, I remember having this very conversation with you is like I was just like this is what I want to do. This is This is like what I'm passionate about and you're saying then do it because that's the right reason. You know, that's the right reason to share your voice to share your message and to start sharing your story Yeah, a hundred percent a hundred percent. I remember the conversation and I've had that conversation with so many people because again, it's this conundrum. You're like, I don't I don't know. What what my what is my y like? What am I passionate about? What do I want to share? You know, and I think And you said something really really important Jordan which is and we've all been through it anybody that's that's been on video. Like we all go through that looking at the number. Oh my gosh, how many views how many likes what's the you know, what is it at how many shares like all those things? And and I think when you when when you put that aside and go, okay, it's not about the likes. It's not about the views. It's about engagement. It's about impact, right? It is is my message. It's my message going to reach someone as a An affect somebody's life in a positive way by me sharing whatever it is that I'm sharing, you know, just just one person, you know, just one person and a lot of times, you know, it's so true like you don't hear from anybody, you know, I mean in the early days like I was hearing from anybody. I mean, I've been posting on LinkedIn ever since you could pose like I've been through that whole journey right forget video for a second but like there was such a long period of time or I'd never hear from anybody and I'm sitting there going am I really reaching anyone with this? Look I yeah, yeah, and it potentially questioning my Why you know, but remembering okay, hold on just because you don't hear from anybody doesn't mean you're not reaching anybody. That's a really important thing for people to remember because You know a lot of times depending on whatever message were conveying or where they were working or whatever. They feel like they can't engage or comment or you know, and maybe they'll send you a note behind the scenes and going. Hey, look I couldn't come on in this but I really want to know like this message really touched me here, you know, I could really relate to what that was or thank you so much for whatever that nugget was. Whatever it is. I think it's it's it's all about remembering just go with what's in your heart if you go with what's in your heart. Never going to go wrong, you know, whatever message you want to share in the power of video. I mean, the only thing missing from video is you can't touch the person you can't smell them. Although the reality is you can touch someone you can touch someone with your heart with your message and with your voice and if you realize that and just keep starting every day is day one it to what you said earlier, you know. You're always as long as you're learning, right and when you're in the moment a lot of times when you're in the moment, especially those really hard moments that are really challenging, you know, where you're questioning everything. You're not thinking and growing you're thinking this sucks. Like I don't want my embrace the suck of this moment and keep going. It's when you look back and go. Wow. I really grew during that moment. And that's something else I said to my friend the other day, which was you don't realized it right now, but this incredibly hard moment for you. You're going to look back and go. Wow, I kept going and I kept growing but not knowing it because I kept going and that is extremely powerful for yourself for others. It's extremely inspirational. But again when you're going through Through it it's hard. Right? It's a really vulnerable moment to realize it and I think the more that you remember that when you're going through it, I've so many times where I'll be in just a COS happens to me all the time, you know, just a really hard moment and a guy have gotten hit like three times back to back when I just wasn't expecting it to happen. And I just was like, okay. Right, like I just had to laugh and go. Okay, I Surrender apparently, this is meant to be happening right now. I really have no idea why but okay, I get it. It's supposed to happen. I know so I know there's a reason for it for the good and I'll roll with it and just keep going right and that's the thing as I think I think it's really easy for us to give up its So easy for us to just and just stay in that moment of pain and frustration and many times you're angry at yourself or whatever just like come on, you know why and and and that's the other side Jordan I think is if if you can if we can take those moments more times than not with that learning and remembering and going okay. Remember that time earlier where you never thought you'd get through it. Look where you are. Now saying that about something else. It's one of the things that I actually recommend people to do is because we all have our you know, our phones are an extension there another appendage right of ourselves. And when you're in that moment of suck pull out your phone hit selfie mode hit record and just talk to yourself in that moment be vulnerable. With yourself have that conversation with yourself? And then the next time the next it happens where you feel like the floor was dropped out from under you and you don't know how you're going to get back up. Let alone reach the top where the sun is Again Play that video that were you thought that the first time. Or better yet record the video again in that moment and then go watch the other one and remember that you got out of it and that that's what happens is whenever this is the other thing I said to my friend is we're never given anything that we can't handle. No matter how crazy it looks how hard it looks we're never given anything that we can't handle. And that's kind of crazy when you think about it because we don't again we don't think about that in the moment. But if you try and remember that yeah. No, I mean I completely get that and you know, I look at you know my life growing up and all the things that I've been through and you know adversity and things like that and you look back and you're like, I'm here like I face that, you know, I experienced that and I came through Stronger by going through it, you know. It's giving me strength that I didn't even think that I could possibly really ever have and you know, so I want to talk a little bit about you know, why I named the podcast what it is. It's called The Blaze your own trail podcast. And and and for me, you know, I'm I've got a regular nine-to-five and I love it. And it's I'm thriving at it and a couple years ago. I decided to start a small consulting company with you know, I'm the whole I'm the whole thing, right? It was predicated on personality assessments and then you know earlier this year. I stutter started adding some other things to the Arsenal and I know we've had conversations about this where I've started helping other people with personal branding, you know build their brand up whether maybe they want help with building a sales training program. So I'm helping people with Adam also coaching people that might be in a struggle that I've actually faced before and I give them guidance on how to and how to overcome that so, you know, That's one of the reasons I titled that this Blaze your own trail because I want to blaze my own trail in that regard. I want to my goals long-term are to be a full-time entrepreneur. And and I think this is a really the start of all that so kind of last question. But you know, how did you start to blaze your own trail in business? Like what was it that where you said? I want to be the founder and CEO of moisture vibe. yeah, so, I mean there's a lot of entrepreneurs in my family and I so I grew up around that kind of element. Not that I was really thinking about it, but I did and College I was a founder of my fraternity at San Diego State called Phi Kappa Theta it's a nationwide fraternity. John F. Kennedy was a Phi Kap Gene Kelly I could rattle off many incredible men, but we literally built a company from the ground up and if anybody's ever seen them original movie Revenge of the Nerds that was us like we were the mutts. We were a mosh of everybody the Nerds the jocks that I literally everybody and All Shall Colors sizes Creeds and and we were doing something really incredible and it's crazy because 25 years this year is when we started to build that so fast forward this whole video journey in such right? I mean, I've been helping fortunate Executives for years behind the scenes when it came to things like LinkedIn, and I just wanted to help people Wasn't about visibility or money wasn't about any of that. I just wanted to help people because I figured out. after falling on my own feet, you know how to do this thing, and I wanted to help people figure it out because the reality is One step in the wrong direction. Literally your one click away from having a conversation with anyone and everyone in business from the founder of the funding of the chairman of the janitor and everybody in between and you are one click away from never having a conversation with them. If you don't know what you're doing and it's crazy and through my video Journey. I'm just had so many incredible opportunities pop up through my Holdings and journey for that matter Builders of companies asking me if like that basically takes Disheveled companies and people from different places put them together to build it back up. I had a one of these Builders reach out to me at one point. He didn't know me we had meaning we had never had any conversations before new of my presence and how I was showing up and background right from what I had shared asked me if I wanted to be the CEO of one of these companies. Just from showing up right I I've always realized that you never get to where you are alone and you have to reach down and lift people up and you have to send the ladder down and me starting my company voice your Vibe, which is all about teaching Brands and leaders within organizations and teams within companies how to tell a story that people will fall in love with on LinkedIn. And a minute it crosses. All social media is right, but LinkedIn is my home. It's where I said from the very beginning. I want to be all in and this is where I need to be this this was it I didn't know why I just had a gut feeling and I want to starting a company many many many years later, right and unbeknownst to me Jordan building a brand that I didn't even know. I was building right? It was just me showing up helping people. Ever I could and hoping to inspire one person a day. And so when I formed company which basically was after four years of helping to build and grow another startup. I had friend and Confidant and former customer of mine said why have you not start your company at like nobody can do nobody does what you do the way you do it like what are you waiting for? Right and I I felt fulfilled because I had like you I had corporate job and And and I was branched out in many other ways because I want a number of boards advising Founders and startups doing speaking internationally co-founding, you know companies all the stuff kind of the same time and and it was really fulfilling me in many different ways because I wanted to help more people, right? And so shift in the tides, right and I leave I leave the company and he asked me that question is like what are you waiting for? So I filed my LLC I bought some domains and called the friend of mine and said I finally started my company. And she said oh my God. Are you serious? Can you come fly to Dallas? I want to throw you a launch party. Wow. I said, I'm like, what are you seriously, so great. Well, let me tell you this for everybody that's listening out there. That's how you blaze your own trail, right it is, you know, you know this information other people are telling and sometimes I think the signs are so big and bright but we have this film over. Our eyes and we just don't we just don't recognize them. You know, we don't recognize this these things about us these gifts in the abilities were we just we just can't see it and in one day and in that story I could tell there was a massive shift and that question is what helped you a blaze your own trail and you know, I hate that we have to end this this episode because it was so amazing and I know that my audience is going to get you know so much. Value so where can everybody finds you Brian working? Everybody find Brian Schulman? Yeah, so LinkedIn is my home so you can find me on LinkedIn. It's just linkedin.com /in forward slash Brian Schulman, and I'm sure Jordan have my name in the show notes. You learn how to spell it. If you want to schedule a time to chat. I always leave times open on my calendar to do so, even though everything is so busy. I love talking to people to your point, which is how shut out Saturday began to begin with. So there's a tool called calendly. It's access to my calendar. Cele ndl why.com forward slash voice your Vibe and for any when it wants to learn about LinkedIn. I've got a free jump start course that is available to you as well as a master class that is in 2.0 right now. So if either of those things are interesting to you definitely take advantage of the free course, there's so many golden nuggets that myself and my partner in crime. Alice I was for sharing and you can you can learn about that at LinkedIn Master Class dot think diffic.com. So that's those are the places I tell you to find me and look for the hashtag voice your Vibe. Feel free to follow it. You'll be able to catch everything that I'm sharing on LinkedIn. But again, I mean Jordan thank you so much again. I'm so sorry so humbled and so honored to be here to be a guest and of your very first guests. I'm so excited for you in this show and and and where it's going to go and I truly do Leave this is the first step in the Blazing of your Trail of the next great chapter the adventure in your journey, buddy. Hey, man. Hey, I really really appreciate that and folks for those of you listening. I will post a little snippet of this on LinkedIn and I'll go ahead and Link all of the the link his profile will go ahead and Link the Mastery class as well. So Ryan, I definitely appreciate your time. Although you're my first guess. I'll tell you you are going to be my first repeat guests as well because I definitely want to have you back on so we can chat a little bit. Bit more and get some more insights on you know who you are as a kid what type of sports you're into foods and stuff like that that we didn't get to touch on today. But thanks so much for joining and I hope you have an amazing week. Alright. Thanks Jared and you too, buddy. Hey, thanks so much for listening to that episode with Brian Shulman man. Every time I get to talk to the guy, it's just so impactful. He's such an inspiration to me and so many other people around the world. If it inspired you, please share the podcast with someone that you know, send it to him text it to him. Let him know how awesome it is and I hope that they can get value out of it as well. Catch you on the next episode.

I had the pleasure of interviewing Brian Schulman, Founder & CEO of Voice Your Vibe. In this episode, Brian touches on how it was a battle just to survive after being born, dealing with a neurological condition and some insights into what he does for his company. Founder and CEO of Voice Your Vibe, Forbes featured entrepreneur, LinkedIn Local San Diego Founder and Host, 2018 Linkedin Top Voice, one of the leading experts in the world on Linkedin, having spent every day for the last 15 years on the platform and known as The Godfather of LinkedInVideo, Brian is an inspirational content creator. Brian's mission for his content on LinkedIn is to simply change the life of one person a day and it would be an understatement to say he's achieved his goal. He's a mentor to many around the world, advisor to some of the biggest brands in the US and a friend to all who know him. Brian can be reached here: linkedin.com/in/brianschulman linkedin.com/company/voiceyourvibe calendly.com/voiceyourvibe linkedinmasterclass.thinkific.com Thanks for listening!!

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So you're buying you know, the thousand shares you're risking a hundred dollars to make 300 just to break that down a little easier so you You so owe most days. I like to find roughly like three to four stalks each day during pre market that I see high risk to reward ratio. So stocks that are gapping up more than 4% have some sort of news or some sort of catalyst is always good stocks low float. So anything under that's a five million. In is pretty go to that has high relative volume and high volume, you know, it looks like it's starting to look good. But so, you know each morning. I searched pre-market Gaffers these Gaffers have volume and some type of fundamental catalysts. Like I was saying something like news earnings report or like FDA approval. Just pretty much just pretty much anything any sort of news. But one thing you guys got to be careful of is when a stocks up like that's a 40% It does have downside potential just because it's gapping up so much so often it will kind of dip down and then rally but if it dips down I kind of just stay out of it just because but right out of the open if it starts moving up pretty quick I can get at roughly like this. Pre market highs and maybe get a 10 or 15 cents off that trade. So that's what I do and if that's say there's no pre-market Gaffers that are looking good. Like even today we the biggest Gap or was like eleven percent that looks somewhat interesting. So, you know really and these types of days. I don't I try to stay away from those pre-market gabbers. So I look for I put up my trade idea scanner, which you guys can find it on YouTube YouTube, you know, you too. / Carter far so I have two types of scanners. I had the volume scanner which scans all of the stocks and hat if that's a stock has a sudden one minute or five minute volume surge. I'll get notified. It's called the breaking out on volume scanner. Also, I have the high of day scanner because when a stock starts running it's going to hit that it's going to hit a high of day. And I have it all filtered. So it's like low float, which is for those of you that don't know what float is float is like how many shares the company's offering? So if that's a they offer a hundred million shares their floats a hundred million, it's really simple. So if that's a they have low flow, which is like five mil have like 5 million. Well, I'll get all notified. So like today if you guys are watching this today, or even tomorrow you guys can look up. It was the hot stock today BL + K made a good move. I got in at 272 and sold at 282. So it's just a 10 cent move but the risk to reward was you know 3 2 1 I wrist risked, you know one sense to make three and so on and so on but yeah, so that's what I that's what I normally do is I look look for just stocks with high volumes. Stuff like that. So, you know, that's pretty much how I find stock. So after day another very important thing as Traders we want to be we want to be very involved with news because if that's say like today the as you know as SNP or the SP y ticker symbol sui, excuse me that gap down and if you guys would have Paid attention it was because of the China something with China trade the trades. They said we're years away. So it brought the market down and it took two minutes for it to affect the market. But if you would have been listening to the article on CNBC you could have got in actually made a lot of money off that off that move. But yeah, so that's how I find stocks guys, you know, just pay attention to the news have your scanners up and going And then it's just some stock criteria that I look for low float anything under 15 million some sort of fundamental Catalyst news earnings FDA approval or disapproval price. My go-to is three to six dollars, and then just above average volume is good. So, that's it though. I hope you guys enjoyed this little podcast. If you did, please subscribe to wherever you listen to podcast and if you're really Groove and you guys can leave me. A small donation. I'll greatly appreciate it. So that's it. They'll take care of him. Peace out.

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Taped faces Bethany's love life and the reconciliation. We have been waiting for Real Housewives of New York reunions starts right now. You are tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now let them go. Oh my God, you guys. I'm so excited to be back and spend a minute. I've been super busy. I've had a lot of things to do, but I've been missing my New York Housewives. I've been missing hanging out with all you guys Chelsea Star Jones here and I'm thinking you thank you. Thank you. Hold the Applause hold the Applause. Um, and I'm here all alone without my partner in crime lien. Yes, we will miss him. He is a light. We will do him proud and hold it down today lots to talk about the reunions part 1 Real Housewives of New York these women all look amazing. I think they Bethenny it's believe is probably my favorite dress option. I like what she's doing with the dress. It has the French. I love her straight like bone straight hair beautiful Sonya also looks remarkable. And so does Ramona per year? Huge Tinsley not feeling during the looks great too and Luann. It's a little too Cabaret for me. But yeah as we get started we greet everyone and immediately it gets kind of shady between de rinda and Luann dorinda's immediately goes and starts making Jabs at her for not being able to get the dress designer dress that she's wearing. I forget who the designer was something I could forget. That I can't pronounce it. Um, but soda Renda they did flash back to previous season Luann wanted to go to the showroom. And you know, Carol was like now like he dresses Michelle Obama, you won't be able to get a dress and sure enough here is deronda and said dress and kind of rubbing it in Luann's face immediate shade. I'm here for it. And then Andy gets around a greeting Lewis. man, and he kind of you know, she's he mentions how they finally were able to watch the last couple of episodes recently and she said that her head is humble and that she was totally self-absorbed and said she you know, she put herself in a protection mode and that's kind of where it was coming from and I'm have to say I was a little surprised with her being so open and honest about about that too without Even being prompted and like kind of cute up for it for her to say that you know, she's humble. I'm not sure if I bought it immediately. I'm actually not sure if I still buy it, but she mm. Yeah, she kind of went out there and said, you know, she's filling humble humble by to Humble Pie baby dinner in I don't know we'll see and then Andy reminds us about Dennis and that he has something I don't think we really knew but that he had been present at most of the reunions. Especially while him and Bethany were together. And yeah, Bethany gets a little bit emotional and so you know that this reunions is going to be a roller coaster. It's going to be some ups and downs some tears lots of fighting and I'm here for it. So yeah, let's go ahead and jump in we have our girls we start with the whole like fresh start new homes. Deronda Sonja and Luann relocated kind of picked up their lives this season as we've seen And I are just starting to Chapters in their lives. And we kind of touch base with them and see how that's going. Sonia says that seeing this the townhouse so kind of gives her like makes her feel a little antsy, which is understandable. And then the Renda we kind of talked a little bit about the rundown her relationship with John and I don't like people are kind of giving your crap for it people don't understand it, you know, John and her they've been dating for quite some time now. I don't live together and durandal really has no interest of making her home feel like his home. It's her home and I could kind of understand that like as a woman that's been married that's had multiple partners that has had children. You're finally in a space in your life where you don't have to share something with someone and you're totally independent. You're doing your own thing. You're really strong and like I think it's great. I think it's great for them if it works for them and it seems like it does it works for them. So, who are we to Say, you know, you know to judge I don't think we can it's I think it's amazing and then her and John, you know, they're still going strong, but then we get over to LuAnn and her new home UPS in Upstate New York. I loved it the shade throughout the flashback of the women just talking about how much Tina they didn't really care for the home up in Upstate New York where Ramona saying, you know, it's on the wrong side of town. It's the pores. Side of town which is a very Ramona thing to say in the wind, you know, when Andy asked how she felt about it Luann has like, you know, it's just Ramona. She says everything you knows the wrong side of the tracks when the wrong neighborhood whatever and she kind of let that one roll off off her off her shoulders and I think with this group of women when you know somebody so closely you're able to do that. Like, you know who Ramona is you take her for who she is and you just let it go. It's like it's something personal against you. It's just something she can't Can't help herself. But and and Ramona continues on with the jobs saying, you know, my real estate firm said that it's not going to be a good neighborhood for another 10-15 years. So, you know, she's ahead of the curve. I feel like backhanded compliment like oh, you know, it's cute for you. Okay, so, it's Ramona and I love that's why we love her. That's why we love her and then Luanne gets into a little bit of why she felt the need to move from The Hamptons, which I think she still has her Hamptons home, but spend a little bit more time in Upstate New York and She basically says it's because she has these photog 's and people looking after her like peeking through her window and trying to get a picture of her. I'm not so crazy. It's so stressful. It's overwhelming and I think the MVP of part one of this reunions is Bethenny's facial expressions the cutaways that they have of her every time Luann says something just a little bit narcissistic is amazing and that's when Bethenny to kind of And she's like look we have Kelly Ripa. We had Jerry Seinfeld my neighbor Madonna. They seem to be getting along just fine and the Hamptons and no one's hassling them. But Luann de lesseps like can't walk across the street and I mean to Luann's point. They did show one photo of her getting into her car one time and like that's not a big deal and all these people call the Press anyway, so that's how I could be The magazines so who's to say if that was like a setup or whatever but I think is a great Point. Like there's all these celebrities everywhere. I haven't heard anyone complain about like how not private. It is in the Hamptons. It's like it's this very exclusive community. And you know, it's just another example of lubing Lou her Humble Pie would just digesting a little bit there. We didn't really get to Humble with her butt and then she goes, you know when you get it Said you get very famous and it's just like I mean, you got to play to your strengths and I guess it's getting arrested as you know a pro then you do that you do that but I wouldn't be humble bragging about getting arrested and that boosting my fame but to each his own the Renda. Like I said is very happy with their own space with John and then Ramona starts talking about how her old apartment is almost it's old and how she's potentially going to be coming into a new one. I thought it was great. She I didn't understand it at first but like she started to say like they asked like where she was thinking or I think it was the Renda was like, oh you can move into my building or whatever. She's like. Oh no, I'm thinking of and then they just beat it out. And I was like, what the heck is she saying? And then I guess you just give the full details of where to she's potentially going to be living on camera. Okay. You just want some strange men all over the place to come come a To your place, which I don't think she would mind very much actually, but yeah for our first guests before we move on. I do want to thank you for joining me and being here with me. I love coming into AfterBuzz and I love doing the Real Housewives of New York after show and talking everything Bravo with you all. So just remember to subscribe to our YouTube channel and also subscribe online with our podcast. Give it five stars comment interact. I love talking with you guys Todd. Odd be done well and was best fend about show this season. I think you mean the best thing about the show this season in regards to pushing the narrative not really in a good way in my opinion film Raider as long as they both are okay with it. I don't know if John is okay interesting. I don't believe it. I think when she met had to move because her kids Home. Oh, yes the FCS The Hamptons hum. OK interesting film radar. Yeah. I don't know. I kind of disagree. I think that John's into it. I think he likes having his own place in his own spaces. Well, he might want to maybe exist a little bit more in her life. Um, that's a possibility and then yeah. Yeah, that's a good point too about about her Luann moving from The Hamptons to to Upstate New York being that her whole lawsuit with her children and how you know, she tried to sell that house a while ago. So yeah, that's that could definitely be a cover-up but moving on to a little bit Downer of a subject we move on to Bethany and Dennis and you know, it's almost been a year since he's passed away and something that Andy asked her which I think was really important because this the like timelines and her relationship with Dennis were Very confusing and her also relationships with other men. So she clarifies that her relationship with Dennis and how they were always often on with each other. But because of that they were always present in one another's lives. So just you know, even if they were off or they were on a break they would still kind of like be reliable with one another and I think that kind of just leans to the fact that they had a really deep friendship with each other two, but then Bethany also kind of starts to talk about, you know, as you get older as you've already had a kid as you already been married you Start to ask yourself. Is this the best that it like is he the best that I could get like? Is this it like is this the last love of my life like and so I kind of understand her to like wanting to keep him around and then keeping each other around because of that because yeah, I could only imagine how difficult it is to be older and have a child and date and find someone that really wants to like lock it down with you and that cannot just be stable for you but be stable for your child and that's something that Bethany kind of goes into. To with saying that the reason why they didn't work out like why they were always off and on was because he wasn't present and the way she needed him to be where he would always be when it was them two together like physically next to each other there were super locked in with each other. They're very much in love. But as soon it's like, okay. Bye see you later. He would disappear and you know, I don't want to speculate on I don't like it just it made me wonder like If he was abusing drugs, would that be what would be happening like him disappearing and not wanting her to him her to see him in that way or like what was he off doing like just not you know, so like at that kind of made me wonder a little bit and yeah, it was just it was it was really sad, but then we also you know, the silver lining in it for her was even though he's gone. It really allowed her to close that door and that her in her life and that she said something that I thought was interesting if he were here today. She wouldn't be where she is today and it's sad that it had to be at that, you know extent for her to be able to move on with her life, but she kind of finally seems like she's in a good space. She's in a good relationship with somebody that seems to be crazy about her Paul her new boyfriend, but she also kind of explain that timeline. He was someone that she dated prior to Dennis passing away and But when they were on their off time, and then he kind of came back into her life afterwards when she was grieving and you know, I think they're cute together and they seem really nice together and it like and and it also brought up the thing of her saying, you know, he's very private. He's very conservative and I think that balances her out but it kind of raised the question. Was it a double standard of her to get so like be so harsh on Tinsley and her relationship with Scott and like not Wanting to show that on camera and I think Bethenny she always does when this argument by saying, you know, you met Scott on camera and he signed a release form. He signed up. He he essentially did sign up for it. Like when he moved to Chicago sure he wasn't there but like, you know, when you kind of like dip your toe in the pain he can't really you know, so I do think that you know, there was a little bit of a double standard but with to Bethenny's Point Scott what? Immediately kind of drawn into it and maybe you know wasn't what he wanted to do. But because he met this girl and he was really into her. He just like jumped in but with her relationship with Paul, he from the get-go knew what she, you know, your reality star your public figure. Like I just prefer to be in the background. So I think that's fair. I think that's something you also have to think about when you're dating someone on TV or as a viewer when you're watching One live their life on television and you wonder why their spouse isn't involved and we see it across all platforms all franchises. We you know, Kenya Moore we saw we see it with Erika Girardi her husband Pops in every once in a while. We saw it with Gina last season on Real Housewives of Orange County where we don't you know, we see these women living there full lives like fully and like showing themselves and being very raw, but we don't see that one part of them that makes them a wife, you know. And I think that it is a necessity in some sense, but I also don't think it's at the detriment to your relationship where that's where I think we see a lot of these relationships fall apart. Like we don't see a lot of Housewives, you know marriages last it's because even though the wife signed up for the husband might not have been on borders much or it's you really are having people looking into your relationship in your marriage so deeply in love. Like maliciously almost and so I could understand why you would want to protect that and then I also yeah, I don't know. It's definitely a slippery slope and I think when you sign up for something like this, you kind of have to expect all of that funeral Kentucky Derby Derby flowers. Yeah. That was a really not nice looking flower arrangement film writer. I agree with the LOL. Yeah. She made a good point with the flowers. yeah, I just you know relationships in general are very hard relationships on are for everyone to see like I commend them for like putting it out there like that. But I also like you do have to take into account the men's side of this, you know, so moving on to the fight that just never seems to end but we may have gotten some resolve to Renda and Luann, you know. It's we get the flashback and I kind of I get it because Luann wasn't at the previous reunions. So we do kind of have we did kind of have to pick up from two seasons ago and address everything between the Giovanni and all this stuff and then move on but I think and it's something that we've seen throughout the season is to render it was genuinely upset about their friendship not being a good place. She was very emotional over it she would get very reactive. over it and she you know got reactive on the couch and It's hard to see when one person is super emotional about something like super upset and super hurt and the other isn't and you know, Luann kind of, you know admitted that she was cold to it. And she that she did feel though that the reason why it didn't faze her as much was because she felt like she needed to warm herself up to it more so which is fair. But anyways, we get into you know, the render describing her Cabaret as a combination. Nation of the Jovani dresses and pissing on your cast mates and and you know, like I said we get right back into the Giovanni beef and Luann is just like you're so angry to render your so angry and when dorinda's hurt like she gets angry and she gets mean and and I'm not saying that's right. But like I get it, you know, and I'm such a door into fan that like, I understand where she's coming from and maybe because to an extent I might be that way. Can you imagine me mean guys know? never but yeah, I don't know and it was hard to see and she you know, she said that she said the Renda was upset that when she was in the Hamptons or I'm sorry Luanne was upset that wonder and I was in the Hamptons that during didn't text her to like see her and this may be the one and only time I agree with Luann I get that I totally Totally understand. I live in LA most of my friends live in other cities, they live nearby but like it's a drive for them to get out here or they love up north or whatever whenever they're in Los Angeles and they don't text me that they're in La like we don't even have to hang out but just like let me know let me know you're down the street like just let me know. So I understand where Luann is coming from with that like like you're almost never hear in the one time. You are here. You don't want to text me and like say hey. We could grab a coffee. I don't know but um, yeah, I that's the one thing and the entirety of Luann that I agree with her aunt but you know that and then it gets it gets a little bit meaner again when the Renda, you know goes to be honest with you. I don't feel like you have any substance anymore to LuAnn. I feel like that is maybe the meanest thing you could say to somebody like to say that you don't have any substance anymore. That's mean that's really mean and if someone said that to me like I would start to really re-evaluate like oh my God, look at my too superficial like what's going on with you mean? I'm this substance. Like what is that? And so I don't know if that maybe like Turned land around and maybe it was just that the render just got so emotional but just saying like, I don't know who you are anymore. Maybe I maybe I didn't really see you for who you were this whole time like they were friends for a really long time 13. Have a friendship with somebody and then just feel like you guys are no longer compatible and like in the worst way too because you guys are being so nasty towards one another that's really hurtful. But and then we get into the whole John invited thing and and and Luann brought out some receipts. So we'll give her that. She said that John was always invited and the whole interaction was Durand upset like you My dad he's reserved a table for the fat Jewish. But you couldn't even invite my boyfriend of x amount of years. John John is always welcome, whatever and then during his like he was invited by a third party. He's upset. He doesn't want to come Luann responds with that. That's not my problem. Yeah, it was nasty of a snarky. It was it was it was an invitation but not you know, it was like, you know, whatever he could come like. You know, so I see where to render really feels like you kind of slighted him in that sense. But then I also see where Luann feels like. Well I touched like she you know cross your t's and dotted her eyes, but the you know, it's not my problem but also was a little it was a little mean and she said some other things in the text message exchange that wasn't, you know, very favorable but the woman kind of get around to coming to terms with squashing it and that's nice. You know, you don't want to see you don't want to see these women especially women that have a friendship for a long time. Like that's why for me the lvp and Kyle Richards saying like as hurtful or Godlike, even you know in Jersey Teresa Melissa whenever they fight like because it goes so much deeper than a TV show like these are real friendships. And so it's nice to see that they came around, you know, and that Luann just really admire. Mitad, and you know circling back to what we said at the beginning of the show, and she said that she you know has a humble head humble set mindset. She did really humble up in that moment. She did say, you know watching herself. She felt cold. She felt like she wasn't being as open and receptive to the Renda when she was trying and stuff like that and and that's what kind of prompted them to come together and give a hug and and really just say let's just put a period on it. Let's move on. Let's not talk about this anymore and Let's get back to the days when we were laughing and cackling and just having a good time with each other. It may not be in the same the same like substance may not be in the same capacity. But like let's just move on and to a better, you know space with each other which I think and that's all you can hope for and that's why reunions I think are so important because and you know, when wasn't at the previous reunions Like These are times when you could really just get everything out and either you're okay with each other. The end or you're not but at least you have the opportunity to say your piece and just be done with it. So it was a nice Kumbaya moment that was capped off with a Feelin Giovanni. You know Premier, I think it was maybe the first time hearing Luann's new song Phil and Giovanni and you got a lot of awkward dance shoulder shimmies and a lot of weird cutaways and I looks and has out of each other and of course Luann basking in the fact that they're listening to her song. It's cute song. It's catchy. It's fine. You know, like I don't know like and music doesn't really do it for me. I could you know, it's expensive to be me as more my Lane. It's more like the dancing fun night club e stuff. Uh-huh Luann's just not my cup of tea, but it's a cute song. It's cheeky. It's a good time and you know, she He's proud of it. And what else could we expect but yeah that pretty much kept off part 1 of the reunions. So let's get into some news and gossip that I have. So someone noticeably missing from this reading Union and the season is of course Carole radziwill. We all know her as Bethany's former BFF and it had that Des horrible falling out last season and she's coming out and saying and talking about why she really left the show she goes into and talk to this publication says, you know, it's one of those careers that's like a merry-go-round once you get on it's hard to jump off it helped to sell a lot of books and I was building this audience for my future work Carol explained. It was pretty interesting. There's a pretty interesting weird fun. Anything to do and then she goes on and says, you know, I don't like the name-calling. I knew I wasn't going to get drunk blackout or be naked but I was kind of just having fun. I never felt that I was above the show. She said and then she goes on to say I felt I don't know if I want to be contributing to this conversation as much then I was having tons of arguments not with the other cast members with the executives at the Network it was time to go they knew to ultimately you do know when something is behind you which I thought was interesting that was very telling like to say, you know, I was having these arguments with the heads of Bravo the executives when that starts to happen, that's what Housewives get the you know the acts when you start to have like out right arguments with you know, the production team is when these women are gone and I think too. I mean I don't we Know for sure, but I think also Bethenny had a heavy hand to play in that I think having her on would have maybe added another layer of don't say controversy of drama to the season because I mean really are our drama was everyone being annoyed with Luann. So I think having her there would have been it would have been interesting. I would have enjoyed seeing her this season and and I really don't know what she would have done maybe find another Marathon. Yeah, so I guess so. Time did run out. I think it was her time but it would have been nice to have an adversary or maybe not because Dennis died. So maybe that could have reconciled their relationship even more who knows. Actually Bethany was on Watch What Happens Live recently a couple weeks ago and of the night of the finale and said that you know, she ran into Carroll and they had a very nice conversation out at some you know social event. So it seems like they're in a space where they could coexist with one another and they could talk and pick up but like they're not calling each other on the phone being be Laughs which is cool, which is fine. So I love it. I love this reunions. It was a good it was a good starter reunions. I think let's move into some predictions really quickly your AfterBuzz TV production. So I think moving into the rest of the reunions. We are going to get a little bit more on Luann. I think we're going to pile it on her and I think that's she's going to be the punching bag for pretty much the rest of the reunions. I really don't think there's any more substance to what really went on this season. There's some light stuff that happened in Miami. There's some Ramona being you know, Ramona, but for the most part, I think that the main focus is going to be how the woman perceived Luann the season and really seeing if she's taking a bite of this Humble Pie and listening and realizing that she was Just kind of a jackass all season. But who knows? Maybe she maybe she maybe she is really changed. Actually. I'm curious you guys reply really quickly in the chat. If you think that land has actually been a little bit more humble this reunions and that like watching herself back has made her realize that she was kind of being you know a jerk. But yeah, it's just episode 1 of the reunions. I will say I want to see this group of women. He'll I agree Jackie Galaxy. It would be nice to see them heal too much auto-tune on filling Giovanni. Yeah, because she can't sing remember too much auto-tune. I agree. But I mean that's just her stick and then Barbara. What about Barbara? I I see we see her coming on the couch next week and you know, she was fine. I've realized genuinely I pray to the heavens. Is that they don't bring her back? I did not think she was a good asset all the season. I don't think she added anything. Okay agree Luann was how it was edited. Yeah, pretending to be humble film writer says, yeah, I could see that's I definitely think she was pretending to be a little bit humble. But yeah guys, thanks so much for joining me and jumping into the Cha-Cha. I really appreciate you guys being here. I will be here next week to finish this up and to talk a little bit more about part two of The Real Housewives of New York reunions. I am Chelsea Stark Jones, and you can catch me on Instagram @ C underscore S Jones and fall everything else. I'm doing in my career at Chelsea Star Jones.com. I'll talk to you later. Bye bye our founder Keven undergaro and me Maria Menounos would like to thank you for tuning in to AfterBuzz TV. Remember, we're not just the first where the biggest in the world and Were the only destination for all your favorite TV shows whatever you crave. We've got it. So go to AfterBuzz tv.com and check out our lineup Buzz. See you later. Hmm use express herein are those of the host only do not necessarily reflect the views of AfterBuzz TV or its owners are

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Hi and welcome to data futurology the podcast for that Enthusiast data scientist and upcoming data science leaders to learn the skills required to take your career to the next level. We do this by hearing the stories Lessons Learned and mistakes done by today's top industry leaders out there in the field. My name is Felipe Flores. I am your host. Thank you so much for coming back tuning in. Again. Thank you for so much for sharing the podcast telling your friends about it. And for the feedback that you've been sending across we really really appreciate you both sharing and letting us know how you're enjoying the podcast. So today's episode is a different type of episode a special episode on the eve of the podcasts one-year anniversary or birthday. I sat down with Antonio goni who you would have met if you listen to episode 21 of this podcast, he is the director of global matching and analytics at seek. He is the chairperson at The Institute of analytics Professionals of Australia. He is an advisor at Pascal. He's also a board member at the center for business analytics at the University of Melbourne. He's also on the board of the Australian Alliance for data leadership a fascinating man wealth of experience. We heard his story in episode 21 and in today's episode. We actually turned the tables so he is Antony is Doing me in this episode so obviously a little bit different but this is my story and I hope you enjoy it. Let me know what you think. Welcome to the other futurology everybody. You're probably hearing a different voice than will be used to actually because the usual host can't Mike for hosting duties and also the kind of weed if you actually hosted and ask them questions that I you can see is the subject of the podcast. My name is Anthony you got any I would in the data science field here in Australia. The honor of being one of the interviewees on this podcast enough pools really important that we took the opportunity to usually both has as Rich history and experiences anybody who is interview. So with that welcome Philippe did that if you drop it. Thanks Anthony White appreciated the lazy. It's been a long time coming. I'm glad you accepted the invitation to be interviewed. Let us start at the beginning. We'll stop the personal stuff married with one child, right? Right. That's right. Yeah, that's a nice Notch to your career. Probably the most rewarding career. You'll have tell us your cultural background or listeners will have heard this exotic accent for a year now. Yeah, where are you from? I'm originally from Chile South America and grew up in the north of Chile, which is the desert. It's the driest desert in the world and it would rain about once every seven years we get about set a one centimeter of rain. Yeah, we grew up in a small town up in the mountains which had about 10,000 people. It's a That's a big change to Cosmopolitan Melman. I know right? So, how old were you when did you when did you come to the Land of Oz how is 19 but I came over and two years ago. That's right. Yeah, I wish and I came originally as a Backpacker just to see the country obviously loved it this whole to stay. Yeah, and then studied in continued on from there, but totally loved it and in last time you're not caught up. You gave me a great story about how you support of yourself first jobs. Just how vicious and what sort of work. Do you want to share that stone? Yeah, so when I first got to Australia, I didn't speak any English and the extent of my vocabulary was the jacket is black jacket is like, I don't know why I knew that but if they were green pants I was stuffed so when I got here I thought I can try and put some money together to pay for an English course or I can try and find a job where I'm forced to speak speak English to people and get get the chance to learn that way. So I did the ladder and I became a door to door salesman selling Optus home phone and internet where I would have to knock on about $120 per day six days a week and trying to convince people to change their phone and internet provider to this company commission only. So there was a lot of days of zero payments, but the interesting thing was that we got to travel a bit with the with the job. So I was based in Queens and the time and yeah, we did obviously Brisbane and Gold Coast and when up to even to North Queensland, so we went to Cannes and Port Douglas and everywhere in between like Bundaberg and yeah types of places we get to see as part of that that doing fantastic story. So you went from the jacket is blessed with the best podcast that I think The signs coming out of Australia and I am in the world. I think it's a brightest throw away another curveball at you just to lighten it up before we get into the data Sciences stuff. It's your favorite order at your favorite restaurant. I definitely go for anything with chicken is high up there for me if there's a chicken risotto then yeah. Otherwise, it'd be like a steak sandwich and I have given this question and we should have you adopted any of the indigenous. Full time. So I you still what we call a soccer supporter. Yes law still a sucker supporter. Yes. I have been to a fell gains and I do enjoy enjoy the fast pace of it. It's yeah, really nice, but with soccer there's that unspoken tension and you see that I never give the game shifts so much even when there is no score that yeah, it is beautiful. All right. Well, let's launch into so more fully by far as the details. Let's get into it. Patient is there's no hasn't been a clear pathway to Leaders with them a ton of experience behind them without the Science World. It's been an emerging field while you and I are gonna embarking on this. So hit us up with your education for us. What did you study? Yeah, so I did computer systems engineering and business as a dual degree up in Queensland. So I studied I started my studies in Chile and transfer them when I decided to stay and chose the Dual degree as I thought I could mix between the technical and trying to get some business in there. Yeah. Yeah, and then as part of it was interesting because while I was doing my degree, we had to pick a specialization on the computer system engineering piece and the specializations to pick from was Hardware software hardware and software interface web or data was one of them and I was doing a lot of I guess it would be freelancing work. So for small companies, that would be their it person and do sort of one or two days a week while I was studying and and That work since I began which is after the door-to-door sales, but it was always a building databases doing analysis building reports and helping make better decisions with Microsoft Access for example, right at the small business end, but then when I was at University think about specializations, I remember speaking to my friends and everyone was saying data that's dead as if you're going to study that so I ended up specializing in Hardware. Oh, wow, even though all of my work was in danger. Data, and then it wasn't until I went to do the my thesis that I was in a mining Richard Center and I happened to stumble into a project where we were building a essentially brain monitor or something to detect tiredness and truck drivers in the mines and that was based of brainwave activity. So as part of this research project there was an electrical engineer the project manager and myself and we built this baseball cap that had the Electrodes at the front to measure brain wave Activity 1 by the ear to be the ground zero comparison and the electrical engineer did all the research design and implementation to build these sensors and then he will amplify the signal and pass it over to an on-board computer which was my bit. So I did the embedded system the digital design for the computer and it had to be the part had to be sort of small enough and put far away enough that we had a flexible pcv13. Like a flexible motherboard essentially so it could be put into the cap. And then in that is was the first application of machine learning that I ever did which was going from the brainwave activity to a number between 1 to 5. Where number one is you're just waking up on your feeling fresh number five is a slit your asleep and when you go from number three to number four, you're no longer able to drive and the truck had to stop so as part of that project. We got thousands of Hours of brain wave activity. So EG thousands of hours of EEG and video footage from about eight Sleep Experts around the world and they had labeled this data and we had to find a way to go from that label data to a number from 1 to 5. Yeah, and I remember on my computer. It was a thousands of lines of code. That was a very archaic neural network as in like one hidden layer and obviously things that now you do it Of lines of code and yeah, yeah and then on the on-board computer and that being a linear regression ha ha ha, but that was about as much power as we could get on the on-board computer than one in the Hat little are so that data I'm getting into analytics kind of geek mode here. So, you know, I love it capturing a whole bunch of Delta. Three four. Yes. Yes. He write it down and gold sets. It doesn't change doesn't. Yeah, interesting really interesting. But then after that when I started working after a university it was all in data, but it was more around data warehousing data migrations visualizations reporting. That is the space where I cut my teeth over the next few years before sort of coming back into it don't seem really crude password people start out. You'll be neural network going to be. All right. It's a lie around so, you know to that point earlier on to date don't see a lot of common parts of the data. It's a fantastic thing. I think is people getting to a halt. Our generation is a like an old fart music illegally younger than them seem to be surrounded by a whole bunch of leaders who got here out of a passion. Yes. So it's a nice coat with the be apart of is really nice. That's so we'll put yeah, it does your education there. So most people I speak to and you've never spoken to a number quite level critical. There's always one or two influential teachers in their life if you have any of those, yeah. Yeah, I definitely had what inflation teachers and when I was in high school. So for a long time, I always thought of myself as being very bad at maths and had a like a really negative self-image in the space. But whenever as a kid whenever somebody asked me, what do you want to be when you grow up we'd always say engineer and then obviously years later looking back. I was like why why would I say engineer? And it was literally like the may be wanting to be smart. By proxy so I was almost saying if I'm an engineer people will think I'm smart and there is like, okay, how do I get my myself in there? And then sort of was as a kid having that and I had a couple of teachers early on died. So in me that there was some I guess potential for a passion and a love of maths and physics. So yeah had I'm not teacher that I remember early on so would have been maybe year nine. He would yeah, maybe I love you. I adore you know any pulled me aside and you're saying you know, you should you should really try try on this because you're not and you can do it and essentially highlighted that it was about the effort that I was putting in that was leading to my results not the fact that I was sort of like school. Yeah and having an unrealistic image of you know, that almost like if you're talented things happen easy, so he was somebody that said to break that for me. So say it's about the effort and then things get easier. So then put me down the path of starting to love maths and physics and they're going to like the methylene periods and physics Olympiad AIDS and things and yeah, which is nice and I remember like to remember in on holiday period it was either in year nine or year 10 on I remember sitting with like a I think you're nine a math textbook and then you attend physics textbook and just going through it on the holidays like end-to-end like all right, I'm gonna work my way through this and I felt like I was covering the foundations of the things that I hadn't learned before that now we're hindering me from getting to the high levels of proper understanding of obviously high levels in terms of high school math compared to any foundation before and I really felt that I did something that I kind of still carry with me now that when I'm trying to understand something I always go back to the beginning and I want to go through everything and go see the whole way through to build that foundation and build all the links in the chain of the understanding and try to make sure that I'm not having any broken links that then Catch you out later on. That's an important message from Korea. Everybody seems to walk and go straight to accomplish with you on that and I don't actually understand that this experimental design that gives you the right data to actually answer the question of the business once your hands. I'm really good on that and I'm sure you are too. Yes under measles we actually getting yes and that there's so much that you can do with those fundamentals and business setting. There's so much value to be Created with those and usually the the turnaround on those is a lot quicker. So then you get the double benefit. You will do a little while now and you will note IT industry is being really good at it. It wasn't a lot of knowledge around the silly what was well-dressed. That's why back a little bit older a lot about somebody by back but as the discipline has emerged. What do you wish you would have learned what that getting started out with a few nights that great question. What do I wish I would have known? I think that lots of things actually I've been thinking mostly of either mistakes that I made or things that took me a while to learn so around that something that I'm very passionate about now is quick delivery of value and with a view that essentially done is better than perfect. And then that usually gives us time to have another bite of the cherry and improve on what was being done. But getting to that first sort of even if The quick and dirty solution, it builds confidence. It gets people feeling successful and then you are able to get some momentum and power through tougher challenges. That might be if you sort of structure the work so digitally the tougher challenges might be coming down the track you can start with easier ones that still add value and set to gain the momentum and yeah for but I definitely didn't start out that way and I think a lot of our educational system is around programming us with a pair. A dime that says you only get to do something once and you will be judged on how accurate and perfect that one time exam or one-time assignment is and for you to do that. If it's an assignment, you might get a very clear description of what you aiming to do. And then you take away that brief that requirements document almost take away that brief you go away. You work extremely hard with out any feedback and then you come out. This one time Judgment Day and I guess like many people are going throughout you think that that's how life is and how you should approach your work and that's the way to be successful in and obviously as we've seen the things last few years that the movies away from that and towards what they see in the working life not so much an education perspective is children at school we have responsibilities. The jacket the jacket is black. That's right. Bring the name of that we can make in the tagline. That a future of energy but that kid is black so though knocking so employment history since then so door knocking for quite a few months actually and had that travel and got to start making some money and things like that and then I did lots of odd jobs as I was sort of learning the it side and the business side to a level of Anakin's I could start working on that but I was a an audio-visual technician for a while. Yeah ticking. Actors in hiding meeting rooms and in universities and and things like that obviously like waiter and things like that. And then I remember at University after I had my first SQL and database subject. I really enjoyed it. I hadn't had stats yet as part of the degree and I thought I was going to start getting a job in a nightie and started trying to find small businesses that need it like just it person. And we'll found one first which was on business sales. So they would sell somebody's restaurant. Somebody's Kebab shop things like that. So I started working there to help out with the website and I was on the phones and then I noticed that they had this database who which everyone kept cursing at because it would crash three four times a day and I saw this sort of day in day out for a few weeks and then it was a small company less than 20 people and I remember one day I had a chat with the owner and I said, yeah. Know what I think I can build your better database don't be ridiculous. There's a software company down the road. We paid them $40,000 to a team of five to build this this piece of shit. And you're a kid. You're okay. You're going to build us something and I was like I was like, well, how are you do it ago? I said, I'll I work a couple of like a few more hours over the next eight weeks. We'll see where we get to if you like it we can continue I said, I can continue building it if you don't then not really too much skin off your back sure, whatever golf. So I went to a library and I got this book that it was I think like Microsoft Access in 30 days one hour a day or something like that. And I remember sitting at my desk with the book on my lap and I would be reading the book and flick it to the page and doing what I do. Yeah, a building this database building the reports building the phones for people to enter the information doing the analysis and essentially tapping people on the shoulder to say hey when you go to sell a business or When somebody comes in wanting to sell the business, what information do you ask them for now? Like I usually do so great you start common is that o for all Industries and sort of got to know the business that way and up building the database? It was just a Microsoft Access is easy and I ended up working there one or two days a week. So so part-time all of my studies for years, and I remember you were practicing customer that innovation has even a thing. That's it. See the problem that the people in the shoulder. Yes. It's a good point because then a lot of the reports and In being able to sounds weird to say enable the business to make data-driven decisions, obviously, like, you know, 15 people whatever it was literally saying what type of businesses do you think we do better with when we go to sell it. Is it the like the cafe or the hairdresser and then my sale, you know, it's the hairdresser's. Okay. Well, it's let's look at the data and then which salesperson is better with the Kebab shops versus the fine dining or Iran and that was a type of analysis and I remember after I left prison and came down to Melbourne. And years later there was a flood in Brisbane and that business was paid by the flood and then they lost their server and this is a know maybe five or six maybe eight years ago now but years after I left Brisbane anyway, so I ended up getting a call from my old boss like that business owner to say. Hey, we lost the server. We lost the database with it about ten years after I build it. Well, is it we're still using it. Do you happen to have a copy by any chance? Obviously being a small database I ended up I think I drop boxxing him the last copy that I had. Anyway, the last time you used yeah. Yep. Definitely last time they use access as well. So I did that also worked in this mining Research Center with which I ended up doing that thesis through before that. I had a few sort of that analysis and programming jobs to do with different research projects and An end up doing that thesis and then my other job was the audiovisual technician. So I had the three jobs and was while you study while I was studying. Yeah, and then when into IBM and they'd data Consulting, so in general which at the beginning was that migrations and then it was Data warehousing and Reporting did that for some time big client? So in mostly in the Telco space and then I really wanted to get more into the analytics side. So I went to a small analytics consulting firm, which Were based out of the UK and but in Australia, there are not fear about 20 people and so the company ended up it was called Martin those analytics of the time then change to Lava storm, which is the name of their product which was a visual ETL tool that did analytics as well. Most of the work there was in Revenue Assurance. So essentially analyzing data of how different systems work in an Enterprise to find what were they bug? Is or errors in the system where it didn't worked as expected and as a result of that we were the company was losing revenue and in large corporates, there was doozies like sometimes we spend four weeks doing an analysis as an three people for four weeks and we'd literally find that we are overcharging customers something like 16 million dollars a month and then undercharging other customers about 10 million dollars a month and we like go back and present those findings. Announces. Yeah, and then I really enjoyed it. I felt that I had been doing consulting sort of for a long time in quotes obviously, like when you're young time moves at a different pace and your perceptions of it. So I felt that you know, I was doing sort of that freelancing work when I was at University and then I was worked at IBM and then this small consulting firm and I sort of so all that is as Consulting as you go into a place you're trying to help them you have defined problems and then you leave and I wanted to take on a meaty challenge like a multi-year professional Challenge and I thought oh, maybe I can do this for myself. So a colleague of mine and I decided to leave that small consulting company and set up our own and professionally it was the best and worst thing I've ever done. We were essentially two Geeks that didn't know anything about business somehow we did end up getting an investor early on who is a guy that had had a Consulting business that he started. The it space and he grew it for 12 years. You will see Yo and he grew it to 200 people and then sold it off and then was doing some business Consulting and then wanting to invest in startups and then we were we were one of them and obviously we thought we hit the jackpot when we get humanism as an investor, but my business partner and I had no idea about business. And in the first year, we almost went bankrupt about four times and you know, the think that you're after a couple times that we were sort of on the brink and not able to sleep and obviously lots of Mistakes by two kids with no contacts like nobody newest and the market we didn't really know what we were going to be trying to sell us as our services. We knew that we wanted to be in analytics. We knew that we wanted to be moving towards Advanced analytics. But what is that mean and we've been using different software. So we thought that we had the answer in terms of whether great analytics software should do and what it should look like and we set out to start building one. So we were in a tiny tiny room in a tiny office, which I reckon we've been a fist of this and six-seater meeting room. So if we put this is well, let them not say that. Yeah, and we locked ourselves in for about six months to code up this product and then we the whole time thinking that you know, when we emerge and show this to the world we'd have people lining up around the corner to buy this the software from us and Recently, you know how this story goes. We went to show prospects and people said, oh, you know like out of this product this tiny bit like that's good. Like that's okay this big piece in the middle. We don't know what that's there for and this 60% of it. Just get rid of that bit. What are you guys done? So obviously not a being a very customer driven Innovation that case. We just thought we knew best and obviously a lot of people make the mistake. So by that point we were almost That was one of the times that we were pointing towards bankruptcy and then we're like, all right, we need to do something about this. So that's when we switched on the the Consulting. Peace. And essentially we said, all right, one of us is going to go and start Consulting and then try to grow a team of consultants in that company and then tagged out and then the other one was going to go and do it another business and we're sort of the thought was to build that and so I went first and we got one of our at the beginning we had a few small some more client but in the first Year, we had mlc as one of our clients which is part of now. Yes, we're doing some data analysis their eyes that they did that they require some help as part of an acquisition that they made or when other be company and in there we will to start a team of Consultants to help with that analysis piece. And whenever we were able to place another consultant in the client side, we were able to hire a software developer to work on our software product and we went sort of one for one for a while and in That first year in the first six months that we were doing that we set up with mlc. We got folks still as a customer which is in media. And then we got a government agency South Australian government justice department and getting those who is really really really tough and it felt that after that. We had a little bit of like proven success in different Industries doing the same type of work. It was opening doors a lot easier for us after those three and then as it happened, so I stayed as leading the Consulting. Peace. He's so the analytics Consulting and then my business partner with leading the software development and we went that way and obviously still in the same company and my roles was the sales so new client acquisition and I felt that at the time I went through this face that I really embedded my self-image and my self-worth to this idea of being an entrepreneur. I was like, oh, yeah, I mean intrapreneur and this this yeah for that time. It was very important. And for me to see myself as that be perceived as that and anyway sort of bit of bullshit that I got dire stuck in and in that sort of chasing this intrapreneur life is what sort of forced me to take sales seriously in order to develop the business and it was really difficult. It was very uncomfortable for me. Not naturally being an extroverted person and is definitely way way out of my comfort zone but looking back it was a very very important skill to develop. I think in order to be able to convince people influence be able to see their point of view so you can help them see your point of view and realize that sales is built on trust and built on a human connection and that it's not about trying to do one over somebody or pull the wool over somebody's eyes and that if you go down that track here not going to get very far at all and that it was about that funding human connection and Trust I was doing a little So even though I was doing sales kind of for the wrong reasons and by that, I mean that I was like, oh I'm being this intrapreneur and I was doing it for the wrong reasons, but I have found it a really important and valuable skill in my career. And then I was doing the managing the delivery of the program of work with a different customers. So my view at that point and at the beginning it meant that I was the project manager and then I was sort of part time to go through multiple customers when we were doing multiple customers at a time. time and then I would have project managers at the client side and I had set a rule for myself to spend at least half a day a week at each client site, which was half of that time was reviewing the project and the update and half the time with meeting stakeholders and obviously that all sort of fell apart when we got up to 10 clients, and then I also had to be doing sales and and we went through some really extremely busy period and kind of traumatizing period where Iran I spend I think about five or six months where I was billing over a hundred hours a week for about six months and then obviously on top of that there's a lot of admin work and sales work and things like that and I was literally like sleeping in the office and not necessarily my office. Like I client-side doing work there. Somebody gave me this wrist rest that you put this behind your keyboard. That is it was made of gel. That was my pillow. Yeah often I would wake up my face on the keyboard if you Okay, I'm awake. Now. Let's keep let's go working. And yeah, just like unhealthy and what usual story but software development. Yeah and coming up with the solutions for the customers was definitely a big learning for me that one of the things that we did in the business was Said as a rule that the first three projects that we deliver with a new client had to be seen as part of the sales process and we got there because they were some feelings in the company that sometimes the work that we're taking on wasn't very exciting. It was boring. It was too easy or it was beneath us and I was like, well, what do you mean we're doing work in the analytic space these people have problems in our Niche and they're happy for us to help them with it. Why wouldn't we? Correct. Yeah, however business yeah, so definitely had to keep an eye on the culture from that perspective and as having the first three projects as part of the sales process in men than in the first one we did exactly what they needed very quickly in a way that builds trust and over delivering a little bit but not necessarily infusing it with all of our ideas of how advanced we could make it but really hitting targeting the need and delivering exactly what they needed building a trust the second one. As you know a little bit more infusion, but building the trust hitting the mark on what they needed and in the third one again, and then by then we'd have a good relationship of you know, having three sort of having kick three goals and and having obviously built up the relationship over that time and then we're able to start suggesting more around the programs that work the type of challenge to tackle or how to put the different projects together in order to either get more value or make things easier to build and it will reject the business. Five years clear blue water. Yeah, so well during that time is good and bad. So highs and lows some of the highs we won some award. So we were in the top 50 startups in Australia a couple years in a row that is from Smart company magazine. I was runner-up for Victoria's young entrepreneur of the year. We see a lot of people applied and then the top five had to present at this event. That was about 650 people in the So I had to do a page. I was like, I don't know say five or ten minute pitch. There's a panel of five that had to peek and the voting was split. So two people wanted one of the other guys to people voted for me. And then the last one was Ruslan kogan from coriander comb and the guy who is essentially one of my competitors is part of this Prize or competition pay had a business that where he helped people pay their bills and get out of financial hardship and he had gone on the news. But he got himself lots of press and was always going on the news saying, you know, it's getting really tough for Australians out there and he was very vocal about the cause that he was supporting people with with his business. And even though the business wasn't very big. He was able to get a lot of press out of that and when the decision was being made let you rustling goes. He said look I really like the analytic stuff that you guys are doing cool that you building your own software. But you said I wouldn't have been able for him. He said I wouldn't have been able to get here to where I am without getting good. Press and making sure that the public knows what we're about and what's in it for them. So my vote goes to Chris the the other guy anyway, but it was a it was a good lesson. So towards the end of the company in the last couple of years my business partner and I started to diverge in our view for the business. He is a person who is extremely smart and things in terms of software. He's way ahead in the future. So maybe five years in the future. Mature is where his mind naturally gravitates and he likes to work on those problems and design that type of software and try to get there quickly in that's headed to cause a rift. I was much more concerned with delivering the customer value today and doing those simple projects that might be a reporting project or a warehousing project that might lead onto the machine learning projects. But doing those really well today, even though if it's sort of seen as boring work and we started diverging like And then eventually got too bad and as in like, yeah, we're just closing out got a little conflict and I'd been sort of going through that for I think it was a year and a half. Where was it was pretty bad. I spoke with my dad one day and he was like what the hell's wrong you look like shit. And so I was telling him and and obviously he knew that whatever happened. He's like, you just need to call it and even though yeah during that time after getting sort of that first investor in between we got another investor and during those five years. There was I had made Add a few people that had expressed interest in investing in Clearwater. So I actually sat on the decision for way too long because I saw a definitely the company has my baby and even though looking back. I had not done a very good job at being a leader creating a good culture or a work good work place. A lot of things. I did pre poorly than that being able to hit that reset button was actually quite liberating even though it was emotionally very difficult So eventually what I did was I went back to some of those people that had Interesting investing in the company over the years and I sort of said, you know, there's a opportunity coming up to invest in the company. Are you serious about it? Let's have these conversations and my business partner and I from the beginning we both had 40 40 and then we had sort of 24 investors. So when I went to exit we did in a way that he got 51 percent so he could keep control the company and then the rest went to investors. We're the ones that were there grab the bit more and then there was a another one that came in and yeah probably still go Company still going now. Oh, it's This with you. This is huh. Yeah, which is good. Yeah, and now it's been rebranded to smarter which is like smart data for together. Yeah, and it's doing a lot of folk translation work in logistics and a few other fields. Yeah doing well. So at least they're yeah, they're pretty happy for me. So from there, I went into NZ so as head of data science for the institutional division of this large bank, and I didn't know anything about banking before For and I had always been a consultant essentially. I didn't understand the amount of work internally. There is required within a company in order to get a project to the starting line at the point of where the Consultants come in to deliver. That was definitely something that I learned that ANZ at this bank. I didn't know anything about banking myself. So in large Banks, you have all these different divisions that have different types of customers and what most people think of is the the retail division where an individual you and I would go into a branch and get an account a credit card. Home loan Etc. And then from there there's a wealth division to help people with the superannuation and insurances and things and then there's our big business spectrum. That is so big that it's played out between three divisions where one is a small business which is businesses about to up in terms of Revenue up to about 10 or 12 million dollars a year. And then there's a commercial division which is about 10 million dollars a year to about 400 million in terms of Revenue and then the institutional division where I was in it was from four hundred million dollars up. So the Heavy Hitters big end of town and big big players and a lot of international ones as well. And I started the division didn't have anyone in data science. There was no data science team. It was something new that they wanted to try. So I went in to start the team to a lot of it was education around what data science was and what it could do for the business. A lot of people said to me that this is from within the bank that at that level of clients. There's very few number of companies that are of that size. And that even though you might have Rich data about the company. You don't have enough data about having enough companies of that size that you could get into some really interesting analytics. So lots of challenges sort of everywhere. So in the first six months hired a couple consultants and build lots of prototypes for six months, I think we did about 40 different prototypes and it was literally throwing shit against the wall to see what stuck for different business heads. Different parts of the business different Executives trying to whet their appetite and for them to see the value it was not very successful and I was getting pretty frustrated and then we did a project with group strategy where they wanted to redefine the strategy for the division and they wanted this to be the First Data driven strategy for the bank. This bank is a hundred eighty years old and I've never had a data-driven strategy. So they went to what was the the beginnings of the data science team for that division. We build the strategy which was Good over a few weeks with a few data scientists and unfortunately at the time and obviously all this stuff is in the papers. Now what happened is that there had been a strong focus on Revenue but not on profit and there we have gone through a period of very quick expansion in the bank and in the institutional game, the margins are very thin because the customers are so big that they have so much Market power and what has happened is that the majority of the customers were unprofitable and some of them had been for years. Where's so and that's one of the things that came out of this analysis along with segmentation and where we winning with who and work we could get more of them that have a customers. So going forward the bank started exiting customers or this division of the bank started exiting customers from the least profitable moving up essentially and for us we got some recognition internally through that piece of work, but then we got to start a team and we hired 10 interns through the data science Melbourne meet up. Program that they were running at the time hired 1010 interns and all full-time and we started doing analytics focusing on the customers who were just unprofitable. So almost at the other end and what we did was we used the data assets within the bank specifically from the retail division to build a custom analyses for these large companies. So for example, we would go see McDonald's and we would say McDonald's in your stores. This is how they're performing. Forming the stores that are best performing are in suburbs of that look like this the ones that are not performing well and within suburbs that have this other composition and there's all these suburbs and look like good servers for you that you're not in yet. This is where you should move and this is where the people are and we can see their financial transactions and help them with that. So by doing that work we were able to build a pretty big team over time. So at one point we were essentially hiring so 10 people every six months building a That capability and the main aim was around new client acquisition and cross-selling financial products. We were providing analytics as a value-add and that was our first product from the team which was this freebie analysis that came along with some of the highly profitable Financial products that the company could acquire and then over time we build the additionally a web portal that customers would pay us for so then we started charging directly as well. And that was to access very similar analysis than what they go with the really but in a much more detailed level and then we also had a bunch of apis the customers would start to use and we would invoice them at the end of the month. It became a profit Center and focus on their sales, which is good. You are wanted to reach it out. Exactly but it was it was really nice having another go and there was a lot of things that I did much better than the first time especially around the culture of the team was really good very very warm very friendly very supportive. We were have highly functioning team very productive and then obviously some of the bad things is that we were running too hard all the time. So if you think of our go hundred odometer in the car or speedometer, we're always on the red and it was always late nights and always weekends and it was always so after leaving ends at that one of the things that I thought of to try and fix for the next time so I left hand dead after I got married and then I went on a six-month honeymoon. And then while I was away I was thinking about what would be the next meaty challenge because I 1.1 was can I have a business myself and did that and then the next media challenge was can I go into large organization and Effect change and in that case, I measured it by both the number of people and the type of team and culture we created and the Revenue income that we generated for the bank and then after I left and I was traveling and I have the time of those the first time that I was thinking about, you know, like how did I do with that? Multi-year may be challenged I was like, whoa, I started with yeah pretty good. Like I have these success points that I can point at and say, you know, that was really good, but then I thought of if I look at that division has arrived. 5,000 people within the the bank that division five thousand people work there. I thought if I look at what the typical work day for one of those people look like before the data science team was there when the data science team was there and then after I left the work day of those five thousand people was exactly the same literally unchanged because all our Focus was on the clients external clients and on the sales piece, so we were generating tens of millions of dollars for the bank through these deals. Because they're large deals, but the life of the people that work there. We literally touched less than a percent of all the processes less than point. One of a percent of the processes, even though we did a few projects internally and but largely untouched so I thought that the next meaty challenge that I would like to take would be somewhere where I could have a go at affecting that change essentially like a an internal transformation where there is a capability lift through data science and machine learning that the Working Day of the people they are in the company looks significantly different before during and after and then thinking along those lines I thought well for me to get that remit and to have the responsibility essentially and to have the influence for me to be able to do that and I sort of thought and I think it needs to be a mid-sized Organization for there to be the ability to have that alignment and to be sort of like that. A data person if that makes sense. Yeah, and then I got some excellent piece of advice for their podcast, which is super helpful speaking with you. I remember was really really excellent in terms of even before we started recording so much guidance that I got from you and then in the episode as well and then the other person that really helped me when I was thinking about this that's when you and I spoke and the other person that helped me during that thinking is Tony Lang who is another guest and he was head of data. That I select and compare the market and I was in Brisbane and I remember like off the back of my conversation with you. My conversation with Tony is where I got to this point that I'm describing now in terms of that transformation in a business significant capability uplift through machine learning putting it behind every nook and cranny and every business process and for it to be a mid-sized organization Etc. And then when I go back that's what I was looking for and then through some very fortunate connections and some very nice people. Our ended up coming into Liberty Financial as general manager of data science to do exactly that so it's a company that they're hungry for that change and there I've been there about six months now, we just starting the data journey and starting at let's build our warehouse. Let's get that assigns going and what can we start to understand about our customers and taking it up from there? So yeah, that's the the next meeting multi-year challenge. So let's put a rich and varied career when you look back. So your daughter is there he'll three and a half months a half months. Let's say in what we call 17 years. I'm a half months when she's I tell ya that's right here. And now what would you tell who your most fertile? So what I'm actually most proud of it's a career achievement, but not Sara Lee I think it's not something that is generally seen as something to be proud of in a career that makes sense is at least so far. What I'm most proud of is that culture that we had in the team a day and said that it was extremely supportive very open. Everyone was friends with each other and even to this day even yesterday. I was at a meet up event and so about five or six of them and big hugs as soon as soon as we saw each other and that is Being able to start and create and maintain that culture it obviously felt great to have it and being able to enjoy the relationships with the people you work with and enjoy you the work so much and that was really nice and then obviously it didn't materialize into results as well. But for me, that was a big win because I had done well because it's such a nice thing to do but also because I had done such a bad job in that Dimension or in that area it when I had my business previously our culture wasn't very good. It wasn't very friendly and wasn't very open and it was something that I definitely wanted to change but I didn't know that I could be that good and it was really nice. Yeah, it's really interesting podcasts, but also try to get ourselves. Now the organizations out there thinking for themselves. How do I get ahold of Philippe is my organization, but in the absence of being able to do that, what would you be telling them in order to get the most out of their data science practices or even just the Anna Leaves? Yeah, I think that for a lot of businesses. It's telling them that analytics or data science. It's a team sport. I think that when people seek to test the waters or get their foot in the door in this space, they want to start by hiring a data scientist or a data engineer a data person that will be doing the work and that's generally quite tough to do to be a single person. I would say that's definitely not the right way to go. Sometimes people have done that before. Sometimes they go. Go in and they try to hire an extremely competent and experienced very technical person. Somebody that has only the technical Focus little business people get frustrated with that profile because they are extremely curious people and then they want to follow their curiosity and not necessarily do what the business wants them or needs them to do and then there's that disconnect between the the technical challenges and the business challenges. One of the things that I would say is is look for people that can think about that dual set of challenges to technical in the business and is able to pull the business through and that's one of the things that I'm hoping to help people think about through the podcast is bringing those stories to the audience and to their mind to think about the settling of the two sides and then besides that it's I think it's about the data literacy and the training so in today's world and going forward definitely machine learning is everywhere and data is everywhere and it's Obviously from a biased perspective, it's everything so developing. The level understanding is going to benefit that in any organization and I think that the more people that understand it and that can start to self-service themselves in the better. The company will be because you have people throughout the organization up and down the organization being able to make data-driven decisions. And even though other people might not want to start the journey because I say, well, I can't have 10,000 data scientist. That's not the point but having a level. Like a data analyst or like a business analyst where it might all be drag and drop tools and it might be no code written and it might be maybe some basic SQL maybe not even but they're able to extract data they're able to do like group buys and pivot tables and visualizations and things that allow them to make data-driven decisions. Then the organization will be all the better for it. We'll see. So for new starters, it's about I think about understanding business and understanding or know the domain of where you work so it can be obviously I can be a not-for-profit. It can be a government organization or business. But at least I've noticed Within Myself then when I start a new job, I feel the pressure to Value quickly and to demonstrate capability and I want to make people feel like they made a good decision by hiring me and so you always have that pressure early in your career as well. And I found that in my case. I've made sometimes rash decisions by Falling being trapped by that sentiment of wanting to show something quickly and what I should have done instead is taking time to understand the domain the business the people what they're trying to achieve and then think about what is the best way That I can help along that journey and essentially start there so meet them where they are. And then what you have that understanding seek to solve their problems and their needs in a quick and easy way which means generally not the latest algorithms not the latest tools but something that might be very ad hoc, but it definitely make is progress and give people what they need. Exactly, so that in future ology. So first of all, happy birthday, thank you this recording today on door closes. She's been sent ended months 16th of May. Yeah. So today tomorrow. It's a one-year. Really going long? That's right. This way. Yes. So 52 interviews has to be shaving it on behalf of the science Community here in Australia. It's going through a lot of people who adopted the podcast and thank you. Thank you, Ron. Sometimes you don't know that there's a gap until somebody comes in and plugs it and you've done an amazing job. I've passed what was your inspiration to fold or the beginning? I never thought that I would start a podcast. So or even continue to do a podcast the seed of the idea actually came from my wife when we were planning to go on this long honeymoon last year. I was getting a bit nervous because in the last 15 years or so the longest break that I had was two weeks. The most time of I had had for heard been a very different story by the time I met her she had travelled full time for about two and a half years in you know, like six months here three months there. Pockets but overall two and a half years of full time travel so very different profiles and for her Buck you another six months or so and actually relaxing was easy, correct? Yeah. She was excited by that it meanwhile saying what am I going to do? Whatever she said? Oh, you know we'll be together. We'll see new cultures. The side was like, but what am I gonna do anyway, so obviously she was a friend of that at first, but then she lets you said she said, well you like listening to podcast so much. Why don't you do one you can People as we travel that's actually a really good idea. I've never thought about that and then in continuing to think about that what I found is that in developing my teams in the product my career. I saw that most of the coaching and the mentoring that and the development needs were not on the technical side, but we're on business on leadership on soft skills negotiation presentation that strategic thinking how to create change in an organization. That's the what I always. We saw is the development needs for in and for people in our space and having the thought of the podcast. I was thinking I was going through podcast that I listen to and I always enjoy listening to a technical ones, but then I was like, well, where's the leadership ones and then I started following that line and then what I had started to think about with my teams before starting the podcast I have this dream that end up sparking the podcast is how can we make data scientists of today the CEOs of tomorrow and the person who is CFO in 10 years 20 years time that they once were data scientist or a chief marketing officer. That was the thinking and obviously I think that that's going to be necessary and very valuable obviously to have these skills, but you need to have all the business skills or the influence of presentation negotiation Etc. The business strategy the value creation. Those are the types of skills. So that's the vision that I started that a futurology with what is the gap in people interested in data to take them too? To a point where they could be a CEO and obviously it's not going to come only from one resource. But if we can help people to stop think about that then that would be great. That's the aim. It's really pleased. Count and I by yeah, that's right. So the more ways that we can create this change the better. So I think that we have to go to video at some point soon have more. I think I would like more interaction with the audience where that might mean IQ a show or something where we might take a group of people at a similar point in their career say five years experience or just getting into leadership 10 2015 years experience. We take a group of people. There are similar and we follow their story over a period of time through something like a workshop or like a group session where we discuss talk about our challenges and to go if possible solutions and approaches to implement. So make it more interactive and start to tie in the lessons from the leaders that we've been hearing into how those are implemented in people's careers, and I won't ask you to So what are the lessons or what are the stories? What would have been had the police detective? I've always been impressed. I've been most impressed with the way that I want to say kind of our generation of leaders or like the current generation of leaders how they've had to find their make their way and that there has been nobody to learn from nobody to emulate not a single source that you can say. That's The type of leader I want to be or that's a person in this space that I really respect that we had to well not so much me, but the people that I've been interviewing that they had to create this out of nothing and for that the types of skills. You have to be so savvy so self-aware so much passion be so driven and be comfortable with Meandering through your career and being able to a keep yourself in check but be comfortable with diverging From the Path and that through Walking around in the forest. Suddenly, you're the other end and hey, I love that but then everyone is so willing to pass on the knowledge and share that with the Next Generation and say, you know almost like it was tough for me and I didn't know what I was doing, but I wanted to see if I can hopefully make it a bit easier for you and people are so eager to help the people coming up and I really love that about our industry and I love hearing those stories of how people were self-made in their careers. They Forge their own path and they are so happy to share their wisdom your last couple of questions. What's got your curiosity? Cool possibilities will I got a science has gone in front of it seems like yeah, I'm really really got into kind of like explainable AI at the moment. I've been very interested to learn about the developments on making black boxes a little bit less like boxy and said to understand how the models are making the decisions what's driving it and from a technical perspective. Yes interesting, but I think more interesting is the learnings that We can have as humans from what the machine finds and then how can that help can help us be better in our thinking be better in that decision-making be better in our obviously feature engineering as well. And then to have this virtual cycle where the machine learning systems by being more open. They increase their power in being our assistance that is going to help us move forward with our knowledge and our creation of knowledge then by having systems that are more black box that always said leads to automation but then Want to be getting the learnings and getting the insight and instead of me feeding the machine data and for the machine to do something. I want the machine to give me something, you know, give me some knowledge. Yeah, which is a YouTube video a little while ago now and it was a self-driving car that anticipated so you wouldn't results for these cars and driving the car had anticipating Next Level very heart of it and stop. Wow and two more human eye. I couldn't see what the algorithm itself and then no way an accident and my immediate response was oh that's amazing. The II is the list and I look at the comment on the life and somebody who was kind of channeling Spirit or you despite her out by the comment. Will it be great to know what they either side of the pain? We don't have the self-driving car because know that yes that is such an insightful observation. So important. It's a great core didn't feel the eyes out. What question have an I ask that you pay me tonight, but I really wanted to answer great. Great question when we covered it all I think you've done an amazing job. Yeah. It's I've learned from you my tits, and this has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much for taking the time. And yeah we need to do is it's been incredible. Thank you. So thank you for letting me take over. The product for whatnot and on behalf of the listeners for joining us and we should close with the jacket is black. The jacket is black. Thanks so much out there. That brings this episode to conclusion. Thank you so much for listening. Please find us on data futurology.com or on Facebook Twitter LinkedIn or Instagram as that of each religion. Also go to data futurology.com forward slash forecast to find the show notes for this and any other episodes If you liked this episode it would mean a lot to us. If you could leave us a review wherever you listen to our podcast. I hope you enjoyed this episode and that it was helpful and valuable for you. Thanks again and see you next time.

In this episode, Anthony Ugoni, one of Australia’s more prominent leaders in analytics interviews Felipe. Felipe came to Australia as a backpacker and ended up falling in love with the place. With Spanish as his first language, the only English he could say was the jacket is black. Then, Felipe explains some of his odd jobs and working freelance IT. At university, Felipe wanted to specialize in data, but all of his friends told him it was dead. So, he ended up specializing in hardware, even though all of his work was in data. When Felipe went to do his thesis, he happened to stumble into a project involving brain wave activity. The electrical engineer did all the research and design, the signals would be passed to Felipe’s computer, where he made his first application of machine learning. Then, Felipe explains how he and a colleague of his made the decision to quit their jobs at a small consulting firm. They decided to start their own firm, despite knowing very little about business. The first year they almost went bankrupt about four times and made lots of mistakes. They wanted to be in analytics but were unsure how to sell their services. The two spent six months creating a piece of software. When they went to show prospects they found out people did not like the entire product. So they decided to focus on their consulting business. Enjoy the show! We speak about: [02:40] Felipe’s background  [06:10] Education and specializations [14:30] Quick delivery of value   [17:20] A series of odd jobs and IT freelancing   [24:20] Setting up his own consulting company   [33:15] Highs and lows of Clear Blue Water [37:30] Executive Director & Head of Data Science at ANZ [47:55] Supportive and open culture at work  [52:40] Understanding the business at a new job [54:45] Inspiration behind Data Futurology [62:00] Explainable AI  Resources: Felipe’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/felipefloresanalytics/?originalSubdomain=au Episode #21 Antony Ugoni: https://www.datafuturology.com/podcast/21 Quotes: “If I’m an engineer, people will think I’m smart.” “A colleague of mine and I decided to set up our own consulting company. Professionally, it was the best and worst thing I’ve ever done.” “Sales is built on trust and a human connection.” “I had not done a good job of being a leader and creating a culture.” “How can we make data scientists today, the CEOs of tomorrow?”  Now you can support Data Futurology on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/datafuturology  Thank you to our sponsors:  UNSW Master of Data Science Online: studyonline.unsw.edu.au  Datasource Services: datasourceservices.com.au or email Will Howard on [email protected]  Fyrebox - Make Your Own Quiz! Thank you so much for listening. Enjoy the show!

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Myself and so when I within the few the first few weeks working with Lauren and the team I was able to create my offer create my first offer my service put together really like a program and then I was able to get my first five paying clients and just simply applying what they what I was being taught inside impact schools economy. He was able to build and grow my business to the point where I could match my corporate income and corporate salary in August and I decided to leave my full-time job and become a full-time coach. So I really really recommend if you want to build your online business, and if you really want that time and Financial Freedom for yourself, I really recommend that you get inside in fact schools Academy and get help from Lauren and the Team, you get like really full support on anything that you might need when you want to start an online business. So, yeah, go ahead and invest in yourself invest in your future. It's totally worth it. Hi, I'm Nikki. I better tell you girl lifts. My name is girls and women who want to get strong confident and build muscle and curves without restrictive diets or spending hours and hours in the gym before I joined. I was just a social-media influencer. I wasn't making any money off of my online stuff even though spending hours and hours on it every week and I wanted to get into coaching. Online by had no idea where to start. I now have 20 clients plus any one time. I have a huge pool of leads. I have a lead magnet. I have people inquiring after my coaching every single day and I have a lot of high ticket clients. Now as well, so it's not just lower price clients before the less alone. You know, I actually be running my business and having so many clients and leads. I didn't know what I was doing. I honestly didn't I had no idea how to set myself up as an online coach, you know, I had some a bit of a following on social media already. So I had some you know, like an audience to sell to I guess my specific. Looks like I said was the I within within the first six weeks I actually got like eight clients which was really cool and really exciting. And since then I've had many many more clients lots of success stories of my clients as well, which is great and online coaching is just going really smoothly. It's a really great business. I'm absolutely loving it. Guys, I'm done in online fitness coach before joining. I was really kind of just lost and confused. I didn't know where to begin. There's so much information online so much information and like YouTube tutorials and on Instagram and it was overwhelming so overwhelming that I just didn't know where to start what to do next any of that stuff and not to mention. I didn't know which Like systems to use and I didn't want to use five different like email platforms before figuring out which one works for me. It doesn't leave you guessing as to if it's going to work. It's going to give you things that you can use and Implement right away. So that's what just a few of my clients have to say. Now. I'm going to outline exactly how we work and the easiest way for me to do. Is to walk you through the four phases that we will Implement together. Now the cool thing about us is that we teach exactly what we did and do every day inside our own coaching and consulting company because it works which is why our clients are consistently scaling to six figures and Beyond. So right now, I'll start breaking down the four phases. So first of all, we start with impacts offer creation and validation. So we will work with you to package your knowledge up into an impact offer. So you can go from working with a handful of me clients deserving those who are committed and excited to change and pay a high price. Plus you'll be able to do all of this in last time thanks to the proven systems. We work alongside of you to implement. So what is an impact offer. You may be wondering well, I did outline. In the seven-figure blueprint podcast episode. So if you don't listen to that one, make sure to add that to your cute. So listen to next oh and by the way, if you haven't subscribed to impact schools for girls be sure to do so on whatever podcast provider you're listening on this is available on the podcast app, which comes automatically installed on iPhone on Spotify on Stitcher on everywhere. This is so make sure that you've smashed that subscribe and yeah, so I outline the impact of a in the seven-figure blueprint Class type of load which is the one right before this one, but in short it is our unique way of creating an online business which fuses together three C's I have not shared this anywhere else before. Okay, so it fuses together a course coaching and Consulting and the way that we've set up the impact offer means that you're gay or time back. You'll get consistent clients and you'll finally be able to make money changing lives. Okay. Now look it's kind of meta. Impact schools Academy is our impacts offer. So in Phase 1 we don't just create a your impacts of with you which you get such unlimited hands on support from all the coaches and consultants in our program. But we also validate your impacts offer and by that, I mean that we help you get clients now, look our clients are known to get their own clients within a week of starting with us. Now. I know it may sound scary. Gary to move so fast, huh? Well one thing I have not yet mentioned to you. Is that when you join the academy not only are you getting business coaching and Consulting plus the step-by-step program to follow but you're also getting access to coaches who helped you with productivity confidence and mindset I even ensure that each week. You have a compulsory Minds that checking cool to make sure that you are held accountable and that you never allow. There's self-limiting beliefs to hold you back right. Now. You may feel like a fraud. You may have imposter syndrome. You may have all this fear. You may really like confidence in yourself. We do not want that for me. We hold you accountable and we really provide you with that support so that coupled with our money making messaging method ensures. You are never overwhelmed or afraid to start working on getting plan C. So then it's Phase 2 and Phase 2 is all about system. Mmm, now if you spell the word systems out is sys tem s and I really think it stands for save yourself time energy money and straps. Okay. So look we break everything down for you. So clearly that you never feel bogged down by information and that you never feel stuck as to where to start or what to do next in this systems phase. We also ensure that you're not wasting your time on a website. Okay, do we know that that's just like the most point of thing and that you just don't need for an online business and instead we literally make a whole funnel for you. So when you go to www.niams.nih.gov cam, that's actually a funnel. It's not a website, right? There's a difference a huge huge difference, which I won't get into right now, but the intricacies detail they just don't matter. You just need to know that the funnels what matters and typically it will cause like to have a decent buzzer make your funnel at least 15,000 pounds of what like 20K dollars. Ours, we literally have made it for you already because we've already done it ourselves. So you don't need to go ahead and make it yourself. You literally just click a button change the text on it and you're done and you just pay a couple bucks a month. Like it's nothing now. Look remember even though that's easy to do. If you do get stuck you have OnDemand support from your coaches and you can have every single thing that you do or does it and constructively criticize inside of impact schools Academy and remember by the way on Phase 2 you need to be Lee covered in business so we caught you we provide you with everything that you need and it's all been created by a lawyer. So things like your privacy policy on your funnel your terms and conditions your contracts and stuff like that. Okay all the systems that you need are literally given to you. We give you the exact systems that we have in our business, which is a seven-figure run-rate business changing lives making money all at the same time. Okay. So then phase 3 is all about wowing your clients because here's the thing. Everything amazing results is the absolute key to being successful with this. So we want to make sure that you're doing that for your new clients who by now you would have started working with. Okay, so we show you how to borrow them. And then you start working with them right away. Now, I know it sounds kind of fast, but I'll clients are doing it everyday confidently because the system works. Okay. Now look we know a thing or two about getting amazing results. So we show you exactly how to work with your clients in the best way possible. So they absolutely crush it, right. You having just spent hours and hours on each and every person because remember you have your scalable impacts offer and there's also certain things that you may be wondering about because if you've never done this before you might be thinking like, okay. So how do I actually communicate with my clients? Like what do I say to them? What do I actually help them with? Is it okay to just send them a spreadsheet which by the way it is not in this day and age in order to be in the top 1% You need proper client Management systems and inside of the academy we help you sir. That up because they really do impress your clients and allow your clients to win. And obviously then that means that once your client reaches the end of your impacts offer, they're going to want to re-sign with you and stay with you because they're going to be so wild by you. Okay, so we show you how to create an incredible Community as well. Just like what we have so many of our clients become friends for life, and that's what you should strive to have with yours. So then it comes to phase 4 and face all really is about scaling into the Done. Now the cool thing about having an impact offer is that well, your impact offer isn't one of those things where you open it for enrollment and then close it and then open and close and launches and all things like that. I've spoken about this a lot in the past. I think launches are a bit of a corn and honestly, you'll find typically people teach launches like the reason why people have got into this habit of doing launches is because their business coach teaches them to do it. And the reason why their business coach teaches them to do it is because let's just say I was to teach my clients inside of the academy to do launchers, which I don't by the way other than the first time they launch because that's when it's actually a launch but the reason why they teacher is because there's so much excess urgency and scarcity that their clients or that Prospect. Sorry are on the receiving end of that. The client is like, oh my gosh, she decided to join doing it. I'm so times people join on at one go, which is obviously great. But it's not great for the actual business owner. It's great for the coach of the business owner the business coach and so here's the thing, right? What happens is that the business owner AKA you if you're considering getting a business coach you would then basically have an overly artificially inflated number of Revenue. So, let's say you did a launch and you made 20K you're like, oh my gosh. I have a 20K launch. I had all these clients are not whoo, amazing your business. It takes a screenshot of that and gets a testimonial and start sharing it everywhere. But then what they forget is like all the other months where you aren't consistently enrolling clients and all the refunds that you're going to get from the fact that these clients felt like they were pressured into joining because it was so urgent instead. The impact offer is so results-driven and you're selling something that really is changing lives that you're solving such a big problem that people want to consistently enroll with you because what you're doing actually is So you don't need some launch and so I think launches are broken business model that greedy business coaches teach so that they can get overly artificially inflated claim results. But hey, that's just my opinion and I'm not not calling anyone out. But yeah, so the impact of it is Evergreen, right? You can consistently and roll people and so in Phase 4, we show you how to scale into the long-term using the money-making messaging method and through basically the other strategies Which allow you to know with absolute certainty while your next client is going to be coming from next and so that you have predictability with everything go. So. Yeah, I mean that is impact schools Academy. And remember you can go to new online coach.com and book you're cool with us. But if you still want to sort of find out more about it then and sort of the impacts offering more depth and you can just go to www.newbloom.net line coach.com /y Sure. However, if you're on the edge, honestly like the best thing for you to do is just a message some of our clients literally just go ahead and send a direct message to some of our clients and they'll tell you that honest experience. This is one thing that I recommend strongly that you do or not our page on our new online coach.com. There are a bunch of people there who you can go message and yeah hear about their experience also on my Instagram, which is at Lauren Tecna. I have a testimonial highlight and I literally tag that Instagrams and you can just go messages. As well. Okay, so in both schools Academy really is a very very Hands-On an implementation Focus program because our aim is to help you create a scalable six to seven figure online business that allows you to make money changing lives. Literally our slogan is making money changing lives because you are making money through changing people's lives. Okay. So for the past three years and right now I am literally spending tens of thousands. Thousands and thousands each month on my business on Consultants on my team and on the coaches inside of my program so that you don't have to spend all of that. In fact, it's a short message from your future team who are eager and excited and ready to work with you. Hey, my name is cash and I'm the head coach inside our program. I honestly feel like I've been in training to become a coach of my entire life since my mom is a life. Coach and therapist herself my work and personal development began with an internship with the world's leading. So I could drama therapist Marcia cop when I was just 18 years old. And since then I have gone on to train as an NLP practitioner, which means that I will help you essentially to go in and decode your brain. I can help you to bring the subconscious to the conscious and A great lasting change in your life that will help you to excel both personally and professionally. Through the 12 weeks of this program. You will have a one to one call with me every single week so that I can make sure that you're staying on track and getting the support that you need from myself and all of the other experts on our team in our program. We also have a qualified lawyer on hand productivity coaches lead generation specialist sales consultants and a high-ticket funnel strategist. We come together to offer you the highest. Of on-demand support through our combined experience and expertise. My name is Brian and I'm an advisor here at impact school for the last six years. I have coached and mentored Executives and Senior leaders on productivity communication and public speaking skills and how to motivate and Inspire the best performance out of their team's while managing over 400 employees at my company and finally and perhaps most importantly I was recently awarded my fourth degree black belt. Diaper changing and I am happy to be part of this team and help you crush it with your online business. So hey guys, my name is Max. I'm a designer by profession and a digital marketer by choice. I used to run my own digital design agency before turning to digital design and marketing Consulting. I've been working with Lauren for over two years now helping her set up her systems create new offers Optimizer sales funnels and overall improving the client experience within her business for the next month's I'll be working as a full-time consultant inside the Academy. I will help you set up and Well your business especially in those areas where you might not have that much experience. I will help you with the tech stuff the marketing Your Design requirements wherever whenever just like I did with Lauren and well look at that turned out I'm eager to work with you inside the academy and witness your business skyrocketed into the six to seven figure Skies Lauren back to you. So that's that that's impact schools Academy. Just go to new online coach.com cure Clarity cool. And if it's a good fit, I can't wait to welcome you into the family.

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It's hard to find the time to read all the best articles on bitcoin and crypto Kana me. So let me read them for you. This is a crypto Konami quick read. What is up guys? Welcome back to the show. This is the Crypt economy with guy's van and we are continuing our read started yesterday. I'm so this will be jumping into Chapter 3 of knut Spawn homes sovereignty through mathematics. So if you haven't listened to yesterday's episode go back and do that first. Because we are going through a whole audiobook this week without further Ado. We are jumping right into Chapter 3 The gullible Collective We humans are biased by Nature everything. We think we know is distorted in one way or another by our cognitive shortcomings. The human brain has been forced to evolve and adapt to whatever environment it found itself in over Millennia having a brain that is capable of setting aside personal aims for the sake of the collective has proven to be advantageous for the evolution of our species as a whole the same is true for every other social life form. however, to let these parts of our brains guide our political judgment can lead to disastrous results in the long run not because of bad intentions, but for the simple fact that a few individuals will always Thrive by playing every political system for personal gains from an evolutionary perspective and army of a Sayers and martyrs regardless of whether we're talking about an army of humans or an army of ants or bacteria has an advantage over a less disciplined one from an individual's evolutionary perspective though. It is better to appear like you're a martyr but to run and hide when the actual battle happens this at least partly explains the high percentage of sociopaths in leadership positions all over the world. If you can appear to act for the good of the collective, but dupe your way into more and more power behind people's backs. You're more likely to succeed then someone playing a fair game. The story of banking and fiat currency is a story about Collective Madness historically rulers have tricked people into killing each other through the promise of an afterlife through Central Banking. The rulers of the world wars could trick people into building armies for them by printing more money. This is seldom mentioned in history classes because it still goes on today on a massive scale inflation might no longer be paying tank Factory workers, but it is the main Mechanism that funnels wealth into the pockets of the super-rich and away from everyone else inflation is the mechanism that hinders us from transporting the value of our labor through time. It makes us avoid real long-term thinking we hardly ever consider this a problem because none of us has ever experienced an alternative to it money is still vastly misunderstood by The Lion's Share of the world's population. In most parts of the world bank's do something called fractional Reserve lending. This means that they lend out money that they don't have Conjuring up new money out of thin air and handing it out to their customers as loans loans, which have to be paid back with interest interest that can't be paid back with thin air, but has to be paid with so-called real money. Real money of which there isn't enough around to pay back all the loans. So that a constant need for new credit becomes a crucial part of the entire system not to mention central banks that do the same and worse two governments. We're so used to it by now that every country is expected to have a national debt all but a handful of ridiculously rich ones do National debts are also loans which have to be paid back with interest. Just backed by nothing. Think about that your taxes are paying someone else's interest. Your tax money is not paying for your grandmother's bypass operation. It is paying interest to a central bank. When the ideas of the Catholic Church ruled Europe people who didn't believe in God were few and very seldomly outspoken. They had good reason for this since belief in God was virtually mandatory throughout Society ever since 1971 when famously dishonest American President Richard Nixon cut the last string that tied the US dollar to Gold our conception of what the world economy is and ought to be as Has been skewed by an utterly corrupt system. We're led to believe that we're all supposed to work longer and longer days in order to spend more and more and bury ourselves in more and more debt to keep the machine running. We're duped into thinking that buying a new car. Every other year is somehow good for the environment that bringing a cotton bag to the grocery store will save the planet stores manipulate us all the time through advertising and product placement, but we're led to believe that if we can. Well climate-smart. We're behaving responsibly somehow our gross domestic product is supposed to increase infinitely while politicians will save us from ourselves through carbon taxes fortunately for us and unfortunately for them there now exists a way for unbelievers of this narrative to opt out life finds a way as Jeff Goldblum once so famously put it collectivism has ruined many societies those of us fortunate enough to live in Liberal democracies tend to forget that even democracy is an involuntary system. It's often referred to as the quote worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried but the system itself is very rarely criticized. We're so used to being governed that not having a leader seems Preposterous to most of us still we pay our taxes and an enormous cut of the Fruit of our labor goes to a third party via inflation in the taxation of every good in-service imaginable institutions once in placed into always favored their own Survival just as much as any other living thing does people employed in the public sector are unlikely to vote against policies that threaten their livelihood? This is a bigger problem than we realize because it's subtle and it takes a long time. But every democracy is headed in the same direction a bigger State a more complicated system in fewer individual freedoms. Long-term, it seems that all of our systems tend to favor those who know how to play that system and not those who contribute the most value to their fellow man proponents of socialist policies often claim that failed socialist States quote weren't really socialist or that quote. That wasn't really socialism what most people fail to realize is that we've never tried real capitalism since we've always used more or less. Inflationary currencies this might very well be the most skewed Narrative of our era. We're all experiencing real albeit disguised socialism every single day true free market capitalism is what we haven't experienced yet and it might turn out to be a very different thing than what we're told to believe that it is by almost all mainstream media. The validity of the classic right left scale describing political viewpoints has been debated a lot lately and alternative scale is like Galton the one with an additional y-axis describing more or less authoritarian. Tendencies are popping up in various contexts around the web after the birth of Bitcoin. There's a new way to see this imagine a Norwich o a zero point and a vector pointing to the left of that. All politics are arguably on the left because all policies need to be funded by taxes and Taxation can be viewed as theft taxation can be viewed as theft because at its core it's involuntary. If a person refused to pay his taxes, there is a threat of violence lurking in the background not to mention inflation, which Milton Friedman so elegantly described as quote taxation without legislation. What'd you do with the portion of the wealth that you have in Bitcoin is another matter altogether. If you take sufficient precautionary privacy measures and you know what you're doing your business in Bitcoin is beyond politics altogether with the introduction of the lightning Network and other privacy improving features. It is now impossible for any third party to confiscate your money or even know that you have it for that matter this changes the political landscape of Every Nation on Earth Bitcoin is much less confiscated will than gold and other scarce assets which makes it a much better tool for hedging against nation states in this sense Bitcoin obsoletes borders. You can cross any border on Earth with any amount of Bitcoins in your head. Think about that your Bitcoins exist in every country. Aeneas Lee any imposed limit on how much money you can carry from one nation to the other is now obsoleted by beautiful mathematics Bitcoin is sometimes referred to as a virtual currency. This is a very inaccurate description Bitcoin is just mathematics and Mathematics is just about the most real thing that there is there's nothing virtual about it counterintuitive to some but real nonetheless The complexity of human societal hierarchies and power structures are described perfectly in a classic children's book The Emperor's New Clothes by Hans Christian Andersen. See the world as the kid that points out that the king is naked in the tail and everything starts to make sense. Everything in human society is man-made nation's leaders laws political systems. They're all castles. Is in the air with nothing but a lurking threat of violence to back them up Bitcoin is a different Beast altogether. It enables every individual to verify the validity of the system at all times. If you really think about it morality is easy don't hurt other people and don't steal other people's stuff. That's the basic premise humans have but two ways of resolving conflict conversation. Violence and in this sense to hurt someone can only mean physical violence. This is why free speech is so important and why you should defend people's right to speak their mind above everything else. It's not about being able to express yourself. It's about your right to hear every side of every argument and thus not have to resort to violence should a conflict of interests occur. You can't limit free speech with just more speech. There's always a threat of violence behind limitations. Code which both Bitcoin and the internet are entirely made up of is speech any limitations or regulations that your government implements in regard to bitcoin is not only a display of Bitcoins censorship resistance, but also a test of your government stands on freedom of expression. A restriction on bitcoin use is a restriction on Free Speech. Remember that the only alternative to speech that anyone has is violence code is a language mathematics is a language and money is a linguistic tool a linguistic tool. We use as a means of expressing value to each other and as a way to transport value through space and time. Any restrictions or regulations regarding how you can express value IE making it impossible to buy Bitcoins with your credit card proves that the money you have in your bank account is not really yours when people realize this the demand for Bitcoin goes up not down if you know what you're doing. There's no need to fear The Regulators they on the other hand have good reason to fear and mention that shamelessly breaks their spell chapter 4 and Immaculate Conception some Concepts in nature are harder for us humans to understand than others how complex things can emerge out of simpler ones is one of those Concepts a termite Colony for instance has a complex cooling system in its lower levels. No single termite knows how it works completely unaware of the in results. They build complex mounds and nests shelter tubes to protect their pads. Networks of subterranean tunnels to connect their dirt cities everything seems organized and designed but it's not Evolution has equipped the termite with a pheromone receptor that tells the termite what task he ought to engage himself in by simply counting the amount of neighboring termites doing the same thing if there's a surplus of workers in one area nearby termites become Warriors and so on. Complex structures emerge from simple rules the fractal patterns found all around nature is another example fractals look complex. But in reality, they're not they're basically algorithms the same pattern repeated over and over again with a slightly modified starting point. The human brain is an excellent example of a complex thing that evolved out of simpler things and we humans still have a hard time accepting. that it wasn't designed religions, which themselves are emergent system spawned out of human interaction have come up with a plethora of explanations for how we came to be all sorts of wild origin stories have been more widely accepted in the a simple explanation that are complexities just emerged out of simpler things following a set of rules that nature itself provided our world with complex systems emerge out of human interactions all the time. The phone in your pocket is the result of a century of mostly free Global Market competition and no single human could ever have come up with the entire thing the device together with its internet connection is capable of a lot more than the sum of its individual Parts a pocket-sized gadget that can grant instant access to almost all of the world's. Old literature music and film that fits in your pocket was an unthinkable science fiction a mere 20 years ago Bitcoin first described in Satoshi nakamoto's white paper 10 years before these words were written was designed to be decentralized, but it wasn't until years later that the network started to show actual proof of this. Sound money or absolute digital scarcity emerged out of the network. Not only because of its technical design how Bitcoins first 10 years actually unfolded played a huge part in how true decentralisation could emerge and this is also the main reason as to why the experiment cannot be replicated scarcity on the internet could only be invented once Satoshi's disappearance was Bitcoins first step towards true decentralisation. No marketing whatsoever and the randomness of who hopped onto the train first were the steps that followed the coin truly had an Immaculate Conception. The network has shown a remarkable resistance to change over the last few years, especially in its current state might be its last Incarnation given the size of the network and the 95% sent agreement threshold in its consensus rules. It might never change again in that case an entirely new complex life form will have emerged out of a simple set of rules. Even if small upgrades are implemented in the future a 21 million coins. Supply cap is set in stone forever Bitcoin is not for humans to have opinions about it exists regardless of what anyone thinks about it and it ought to be studied rather. then discussed we don't know what true scarcity and a truly Global Anonymous free market will do to our species yet, but we are about to find out it is naive to think otherwise various futurists and doomsday prophets have been focused on the dangers of the impending General artificial intelligence Singularity lately warning us about the point of no return where upon an artificial intelligence will be able to improve itself faster than Any human could such a scenario could as news anchor Ron Burgundy would have put it escalate quickly this may or may not be of real concern to us. But meanwhile right under our noses another type of Unstoppable Digital Life has emerged and it is already changing the behavior and preferences of millions of people around the globe. This is probably bad news for big corporations and governments, but good news for the little guy. Guy looking for a little Freedom. At least that's what those of us who lean towards the ideas of the Austrian School of Economics believe this time around we will find out whether this is the case or not. No one knows what it will lead to and what new truths will emerge out of this new reality unlike the termite. We humans are able to experience the Grandeur of our progress. We can look in awe at the Sistine Chapel or the pyramids and we In delve into the technicalities and brief history of Bitcoin and discover new ways of thinking about value along the way money is the language in which we express value to each other through space and time. Now that language is spoken by computers. Value expressed in this language can't be diluted through inflation or counterfeiting any longer. It is a language that is borderless permissionless peer-to-peer Anonymous if you have the skills, Uhn replicable completely scarce nonda lootable unchangeable Untouchable undeniable fungible and free for everyone on Earth to use it is a language for the future and it emerged out of a specific. events in the past all languages are examples of complex systems emerging out of simpler things and Bitcoin evolved just as organically as any other human language did decentralization is hard to achieve really hard when it comes to claims of decentralization a don't trust verify approach to the validity of such claims will help you filter out the noise. So how can the validity of Bitcoins decentralization be verified? It's a tricky question because decentralization is not a binary thing like life or death, but rather a very difficult concept to Define. In however, the most fundamental concepts in Bitcoin like the 21 million cap on coin issuance or the 10 minute block interval as a result of the difficulty adjustment and proof-of-work algorithm has not changed since very early on in the history of the network this lack of change which is arguably Bitcoins biggest strength has been achieved through the consensus rules, which Define what the blockchain is. Some special mechanisms. For example be ip9 are sometimes used to deploy changes of the consensus rules these mechanisms use a threshold when counting blocks that signal for a certain upgrade. For example, the upgrade segregated witness activated in a node when 95 percent or more of the blocks in a retarget period signaled support Bitcoin has displayed a remarkable immutability through the years and it is Highly unlikely that this would have been the case if the game theoretical mechanisms that enable it's decentralized governance model hadn't worked given the many incentives to cheat that always seem to corrupt monetary systems. In other words the longer the system seems to be working the higher the likelihood that it actually does. Satoshi set in stone the length of the having period a very important aspect of Bitcoins issue and schedule an initial distribution during the first four years of Bitcoins existence 50 new coins were issued every 10 minutes up until the first block reward having four years. Later. every four years this reward is halved so that the issuance rate goes down by 50% this effectively means that half of all the Bitcoins that would ever exist where mind during the first four years of the Network's life 1/4 during its next four years and so on at the time of writing we're a little more than a year from the third having after that only 6.25 Bitcoins will be minted every 10 minutes as opposed to 50, which was the initial rate what this seems to do is to create hype cycles for Bitcoins adoption. Every time the price of Bitcoin booms and then bus down to a level above where it started a hype Cycle takes place Bitcoin had no marketing whatsoever. So awareness of it had to spread by some other mechanism when a bull market begins people start talking about it, which leads to even more people buying due to fear of missing out or fomo which inevitably makes the price rise even more rapidly. This leads to more fomo and on and on the bull market goes until it suddenly ends and the price crashes down to somewhere around or slightly above the level. It was at before the Bull Run started unlike what is true for most other assets Bitcoin never really crashes all the way why because every time a hype cycle occurs some more people learn about Bitcoins fundamentals and managed to Resist the urge to sell even when almost all hope seems lost. They understand that these bull markets are a recurring thing due to the nature of the protocol. These Cycles create new waves of evangelists Who start promoting Bitcoin simply because of what they stand to gain from a price increase in a sense the protocol itself pays for its own promotion in this way. This organic marketing creates a lot of noise and confusion to as a lot of people who don't seem to understand how Bitcoin Works often are very outspoken about it despite their lack of knowledge. Red herrings such as altcoins and Bitcoin Forks are then weeded out naturally during bear markets every time a bull market happens a new generation of bitcoiners is born. The four-year period between having's seem to serve a deliberate purpose so she could as well have programmed a smooth issuance curve into the Bitcoin protocol, but he didn't as events unfold it seems that he had good reason for this since these hype Cycles provide a very effective onboarding mechanism and they seem to be linked to the having's they certainly make Bitcoin volatile. But remember that in this early stage the volatility is needed in order. Her for these hype Cycles to happen later on when Bitcoin stock to flow ratio is higher the Seas will calm and it's volatility level will go down in truth. It already has the latest almost 80% price drop was far from the worst we've seen in Bitcoin. This technology is still in its infancy and it is very likely that we'll see a lot more of this volatility before mainstream adoption or hyper Bitcoin ization truly happens chapter 5 proof of work All right, let's let's go ahead and take a break and hit our sponsor and then we'll jump into a little bit of commentary on this piece before I run a time here and this is where we will close our read for today. For anyone who has a podcast anchor cannot be beaten particularly for trying to get off the ground their entire platform is free. This includes unlimited hosting both in audio that you upload and how much your listeners download. I have uploaded an incredible library of audio now and I've never paid anchor a dime. In fact, they connect me with other sponsors and have run an ad consistently on my show. So they've paid For exposure to my audience that's really hard to beat even if we ignore that I can record directly in the app or my browser. I don't need any other software. 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So it has to be paid back with so-called real money other money that's been issued into the system. So real money of which there is not enough to pay back all of the loans. So there's a constant need for new credit. It becomes a crucial part of the entire system in this is absolutely true. You like just take a very very simple case is that if you've got a hundred dollars that exist and then they allow someone else to spend that $100, but then they loan out someone else $100 at 10% interest. Well, then basically there's a hundred real dollars in existence and the the second person the person who got a loan owes the bank 110 dollars. So there's literally no mathematical way to pay it off. Outside of essentially that money then after it gets circulated back in being loaned out again as a reserve for another amount of money that was created out of thin air and it's only because the next loan that the money exists to pay off the interest of the first loan and the fact that our monetary system actually operates that or operates like that that is how the system actually works fundamentally is frightening. Meaning when you really think about the concept of like there are two outcomes either one we get buried in debt that makes no sense from a who actually has the resources standpoint and to even if we whether whether you pay off the debt or the bank ends up defaulting on the loan no matter what your just the the the bank just gets all of these resources. I mean think about it like it's a liability. When the bank gives somebody a loan, they're not giving anything to that person. They're paying themselves. It is a lot like like people people are constantly like talk about this. The political idea. Is that like, oh people need the loans people need the money. It's a nice thing to give somebody alone. No to give somebody a debt means they are obligated to somebody else. It's like saying, you know, we're going to make somebody a slave and give them a roof over their head. Like no, that's not that's not a good thing. It's a a liability to the bank the bank just invented themselves an asset that they never had you owe them your labor your time and your money that's insane and the fact that that's a fundamental part of our financial system. Like I think I can't get over the fact that at its core at the very base of how it actually details out. What what balances are what money is how it's issued into the system. It's fraudulent. In my opinion like I don't see any way for that not to be stealing money because the bank ends up with two hundred dollars worth of Value Plus interest when they only ever held a hundred and that hundred was just reserved. It wasn't even theirs. It was the depositors in this case. So it's just shocking to see how much wealth gets soaked up by a banking system when it's just just because a couple there's a couple of fundamental rules that are absolutely absurd and it's Just the gullible Collective. Everybody's just like well, this is just how it works. Of course, it would work this way. How could it not work this way? And then we spend years in decades and an entire education system trying to come up with good excuses as to why this is really important and that we must do this and then we compare it to these hypotheticals these these worlds that never actually existed or we look back at history under this lens and it's like you get the you get the imaginary great depression depression of the 1870s and 1880s when when we actually had deep price deflation across the economy, but Keynesian economist look back on this and for a very very long time, it was considered a depression like it was considered a very bad economic period because of the price deflation, but then if you actually go back and look at real estate if you look elsewhere and ignore the price deflation, which you actually see is that it was because this was during the Industrial Revolution and it was actually the one of the single greatest Periods of increasing standard of living that we've ever had in this country and Keynesian Economist for decades had been calling it a recession or nearly a depression a severe extended to procession essentially and it's because we just think of it wrong. We've been we've been in totally engrossed in hard to say propagandize because it's hard to call something propaganda if you think everyone involved is ignorant of it like I don't I think it's a conspiracy of ignorance. Not a not on purpose like I think mini the vast majority. If not, all of the people who have ever told me that I was wrong about the way I thought of things economically or ever debated with anybody totally believed what they were trying to get across that doesn't make it any less dangerous. If we're talking about people in government or actual policy makers enforcing these what is fraudulent Behavior or just horrific lie. A imbalanced and privileged monetary positions as law like as actual policy there backing these things up with violence. They're saying you're either going to participate in what is an Institutional Ponzi scheme to some degree or you know, you're breaking your breaking a law. That's just not how we do business. They've institutionalized a form of monetary corruption and It's it's really crazy to think about like if you actually step back and look at what's happening. It makes no sense to anybody is able to do that. I can't loan you a car. Then I don't have you know, like nobody can do this with with actual resources. That's not possible. So I can't like think about if I could just invent a loan to you right now. I could just invent a million dollar loan. And then you owe it back to me plus interest. We're so when you pay that back, how did I earn that million dollars? How did I earn it? I don't like I don't have a million dollars. How could I loan something to you that I don't have and to think that that's a position that a bank is simply allowed to have as a political privilege. is rather insane another another concept that he brings up in this section that that I really I really love and it's a concept that we dove into a article by Beauty on titled why America can't regulate Bitcoin. I'll see if I can't find that episode and post it in the show notes, but it's kind of a deeper dive into that concept. The whole article is just about Bitcoin as speech but it goes right back to our analogy from yes. Read that its language and he really goes into kind of digs a little bit into this that it is a linguistic tool. It is a way to translate value and it's really true that Bitcoin is absolutely speech its speech that's protected on a when he interesting things about it in the like he's got these out that quote that you can cross any border on Earth with any amount of Bitcoins in your head so that they exist in every country simultaneously what you hold is a piece of information that has obtained value because it lets you it lets you unlock a piece of the highest Assurance Ledger on earth like it is the most secure Financial Ledger that you can get anywhere secure and independent you're relying on no one else for its assurances. You can prove you actually do the validation yourself to know what degree of assurance is you get you can actually Test it and that's a powerful idea that has never existed before but in the end it is speech. It's just information. It's like I'm sure most of you are familiar with but on the atom back who is the he heads up a block stream now, but it was a cypherpunk from the early days invented. Hashcash, and I can't remember if it was actually Adam back. I think Adam back actually proposed to Wade, I wait eyes about Out be money about using it as the the issuance the means to issue money in way dies be money scheme, which be money was the one that where The Ledger was something that everyone held in the system. Everybody had a copy of it because you know, all these pieces were slowly brought together. It's funny. I love the history of all this stuff. I'm stuck on this because I've been listening to I'm almost done with it. I think I've been like 40 minutes left in the book but digital. - by Thin Brunton and we just talked about it on the rally Bitcoin meet on podcast, which I may be posting. So keep an ear out for that one, but it's a really good book. I highly recommend it if you have not listened or read it yet, but it's all about the history of the cypherpunks and stuff and there's so much about the precursors to bitcoin and the ideas of how this whole story goes all the way back to even the 30s and the 80s and trying to figure out how to authenticate and create private data data that was soul to or solely unlockable or readable by a single individual and it creates a scarcity to that data in a sense that it's someone owns it and and that's essentially what what Bitcoin has created a way to own a certain type of speech and the fact that it has obtained value its fun he goes into how Like you can't regulate free speech and it changes because the the dynamic is that any policy that you enforced by government is backed by violence. So it's to say that violence or to suggest that you should use violence to restrict speech which is the only way to restrict it. You either have free speech or you're being violent when somebody speaks is to say that speech can be more dangerous and violence that in a situation where we would want people speaking. Uncomfortable things or being violent with each other that violence is preferable because that's how we can legitimately respond to speech that were uncomfortable with which I think just on its face from a principal standpoint. It doesn't make any sense. And that's why we have this idea of free speech even though we really don't have it because just because that speech obtains value. It doesn't make any more sense that government should be able to control it. In fact just the opposite the the more precious that Speech is the more important that it is that we own it that it is that it is indeed ours is almost as if as long as the speech is inconsequential, well, then it's free. But as soon as it's meaningful, as soon as you're speaking like Julian Assange does on the crimes of people in government. Well, then it's not free speech because then it's incredibly valuable speech. It's incredibly dangerous speech to the people who decide whether or not it's free and then in the same way in Bitcoin since it is Is all just code that is soon as it obtains value. Well now it's in the realm of the government has to tell us what to do with it. And actually I didn't even finish the my fault on Adam back was that he sold during the one who saves a very early 90s the FBI some government institution was pushing for getting digital encryption. You be listed as a munition so that it could not be exported from the country that it was literally illegal to take down the directions essentially to on how to encrypt or you know, verify like the pgp encryption or RSA was actually the one in question here that to write that down and then walk across the border with it was illegal was that you were you were moving Munitions out of the country. You have taken a weapon of mass destruction and spread it around the world and Adam back actually printed it on a shirt and then sold you can actually go to Cipher space think I think it's Cipher space dot-org if I'm not mistaken. I'll double check and put it in the show notes, but I think that's right. And there's a little section with Adam back and you can click on and you can see the Munitions shirt the shirt that was illegal to move across the state border or Were moving a weapon of mass destruction across the u.s. Border, but he was an activist back then and you know sold that to basically demonstrate how obnoxious that the very concept was that speech could be a weapon which arguably it's funny. It's a very powerful means of Defense particularly in that instance. Is that Adam backs speech and demonstrating that through language showed exactly. How absurd how absurd the rule was in to react to that in violence makes no sense. It's obviously immoral. I love the this one of my favorite things because it's so dirt simple don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. I love that. He basically has this exact same commits fun home basically has that exact line in this piece and it's just spot on it's something that if you start from that Foundation you can you can then You Deuce so much other like set of morals and principles from that but it's just like like who doesn't know that don't hurt people and don't take their stuff. So I really I really enjoyed this this section and as he got into decentralisation, it really is and such a difficult. It's such a difficult idea to articulate like to actually measure I mean because it is Is I mean like he says it's not an on/off switch. It's some degree of a spectrum but it's even hard to tell where something is on a spectrum particularly win. It's a result of a large group of people because we are inherently horrific lie bad at did having any semblance of an idea of Telling ourselves any kind of an accurate story about a large group of people. We have these gross basic characterizations of incredibly diverse groups that we can't escape like just as you just as he says in this is that it is a limit of our human bias. It's at least a limit of our human capacity. Like as our minds. We can't not simplify everything to an incredibly dumb version of it. So so when you have two thinking about, you know, a group of 10,000 people like any any even partial semblance of accuracy, there is just not possible. It just isn't it is always going to be vastly more diverse and nuanced than you would ever imagine you would ever even be able to comprehend. It's just not possible and in that same sense to to attempt to articulate or a measure of The Descent. Relation of something that is actually part a result of it the community that supports it and then part its Community as a result of it because that's there's actually quoted this. That's a good point for the quote Bitcoin is not for humans to have opinions about it exists regardless of what anyone thinks about it and it ought to be studied rather than discussed. and that's a really interesting idea because Bitcoin has has an incredible amount of influence over our thoughts as as much so as our thoughts collectively have over it because of the way that it has matured that there is this this ideology or this these patterns of thinking that it has caused in those that participate in it that in doing so Bitcoin may never change. It's staying power is incredibly strong and I don't think it's merely that like a bunch of hard money people happen to migrate to Bitcoin. In fact, many of the people who I have known and talk to and who have come to bitcoin from a huge variety of different reasons from different perspectives where it was whether it was, you know, protest money or about Free Speech or about, you know, fixing a quality or the corruption of the banks like from so many different angles. Goals from both political aspects economic technological all of it that from my personal experiences. They've ended up going down the rabbit hole and finding themselves entertaining or finding ideas practical almost or realistic that would have seemed absurd before they were exposed or cannot make any grasp of the Bitcoin system before Bitcoin existed some of the ideas that then become possible or just Unthinkable fairy tale. Is that it just it was just outside of the realm something about something about the Defiance of Bitcoin to the status quo narrative that it challenges. It's like it's like dinosaur bones to creationist. It's this it's this thing that just the fact that it exists. throws a wrench into so much of the status quo narrative that is soon as you begin to actually understand it it you can't do so without it affecting your worldview in some significant way and I have found that obviously in my personal experience, but I have found that again and again with people who actually go down the rabbit hole into start start to really trying to wrap their head around the Bitcoin system and the of structure and like what it means to build a huge complex economy is sense in a sense from a seemingly simple set of rules how unbelievably complex things can arise from a couple of fundamental rules. Like I had someone challenge me on that talking about how DNA was super complex and that wasn't simple and I'm thinking the exact opposite. I'm thinking DNA is for proteins for there are four fundamental proteins in the almost the practically infinite set of complexities that result from genetic code not even just in the complexity and variation in humankind complexity in DNA talking about all living things and to think that that's from for proteins. We share those exact same for proteins at our base. It could not be a better. For example of the increasing complexity of like fractal patterns and a repeating algorithms that just continue to make higher orders of complexity as it creates some degree of stability that as one system or pattern continues to survive. Well, then it has an effect on its environment and its world and creates. It becomes a part of a new pattern and then that increases to a new level of complexity and we see this Us again and again, it's everywhere in nature. It's everywhere in the world. It's all across the university is a natural state of everything that we know of as existence in Bitcoin is an extrapolation of that. It's that from our technology like we are becoming a network organism this one I love this all up. So often I come back to this conversation it this isn't this is some form of an organism. It's a it's us becoming this insanely Dynamic and incentivised. School of fish so to speak or this, you know termite Colony or this ant colony, whatever whatever you want to call it. It behaves together to this much larger purpose that we can't even really grasp. I love that termite analogy. Actually that he uses was that the termite has no idea what they're building, but those Simple Rules create an incredibly complex set of structures that are required for their environment to actually sustain itself and nobody knows. What's going on? Nobody? Nobody individually actually has the whole picture. It just emerges like a language like like a network so many of these things like we are that species we have so many of these tools and Technologies like the economy is is an explosion of billions of things that have all just emerged from our interactions going back to the everything as a trade just the ball process of trading ideas and finding that the the constant incentive to find the most efficient means to do something or a new a new way to you know, save time or save my resources save my energy in accomplishing Tom some task or reaching a certain goal the just those really basic fundamental things that we really all share and then the ability to trade in the fact that all of our situations are different in our Isis and what we learn our different enables this enables something as vast and complex and completely unimaginable as the global economy as all of the languages and the money's we use and that the infinite number of tools and technologies that nobody knows how to do it. Like just like he says actually I'll recommend if you haven't listened to it. I've also got I pencil by Leonard read believe I've got that right think read did Alan but I pencil is a super iconic like essential read for like the kind of Austrian mindset the Austrian school and I will link to that one. And another actually good one is use of knowledge in society by Hayek. Both of those are really good. So I'll add those to the show notes, but I'm getting I'm getting low on time here. So let's just go ahead and cut this here. We will jump back. In tomorrow with the next chapter, what was it already forgot a proof-of-work proof of work. That's right. This one's going to be good. I'm excited about this. And so we'll be digging into this tomorrow another huge. Thank you to knut spawn home for this piece and allowing me to read this book in full so much fun stuff to talk about and just just an awesome book. If you haven't read it, and the fact that this is available for free for you guys is just great. So don't forget to follow Him and give him a shout out on Twitter because this really is an awesome thing and until until tomorrow. Don't forget to subscribe to the show. So you don't miss the rest of this. We've got the rest of the week covering this piece. And of course follow me at the crypto economy on Twitter and until next time I guess that'll that'll close this out for the day. Don't forget you can become a supporter of this show and help keep the project of turning all of the best. Bitcoin into the audiobook versions they deserve and you can do that by going to patreon.com slash the crypto economy and you will get access to the Crypt economy telegram crew as well. 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Continuing through our unabridged reading of Knut Svanholm's excellent book available on Amazon, "Bitcoin: Sovereignty Through Mathematics." • The inevitability of human bias • The absurdity of fractional reserve • Dangers of collectivism • Bitcoin is Speech • The Immaculate Conception • And why decentralization is so damn hard! https://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Sovereignty-mathematics-Knut-Svanholm/dp/1090109911/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=sovereignty+through+mathematics&qid=1571692865&sr=8-1 Other episodes and works mentioned in the show to dive deeper into some of the fascinating ideas discussed in today's read & commentary: Why America Can't Regulate Bitcoin [beautyon_] - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_260---Why-America-Cant-Regulate-Bitcoin-beautyon_-e4b4s8 I, Pencil [Leonard Reed] - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_123---I--Pencil-e2ndqm Use of Knowledge in Society [F.A. Hayek] - https://anchor.fm/thecryptoconomy/episodes/CryptoQuikRead_250---Use-of-Knowledge-in-Society-Part-1---F--A--Hayek-e43pfj Subscribe to the show so you don't miss the rest of this amazing work as we read it this week. And if you want to support the show and join the Cryptoconomy Telegram crew, become a patron below! https://www.patreon.com/thecryptoconomy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

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But just in general it was so hot and humid that I like didn't even leave my office all day while they were doing the event raised so literally I just can't like can't thank them enough for like doing the event. And being outside, they said my attendant one of them said I literally looked like a wet dog. Oh, she said I got sweat in my eye poor thing. Oh my gosh. Yes. That's why we really like, I feel like July events are just so rare out here because of the humidity and the heat. Yeah, you know the heat is one thing but you add the humidity and it's like almost embarrassed will but my team powered through and they were able to do another great event as always and the bride and groom love the photos. So I managed to make it through the hot July heat. Yeah, that's so crazy. Well, at least the client loved everything. Yes, and that is my absolutely number one priority other than my attendance not passing out. Yeah for sure. I don't know about you. But today it is finally cooler here. So it's making me feel really, you know, cozy it's raining. So I have a candle going and I definitely just want to be creative today and work on my website, which I've been doing the past couple days and finish some more. Fun projects but yeah, it's actually been pouring here too, which is crazy. We woke up this morning at like 4:30 or 5:00 a.m. And I just heard rain and I'm like what this wasn't in the forecast. I just got my car wash yesterday. So I was all upset and I'm like, you know what? It's okay. We embrace it. I went back to sleep. You know, we just kind of slept in a little bit this morning and hasn't been raining raining there at all. No, it's been super hot. Very very hot. And so yeah. Yeah, it's just kind of weird but it's been nice because this last week we actually didn't really have events over the weekend and it was just nice because our branding dig it finished and so we've just been love it working on everything. Yeah. I love how it turned out and we've just been really like, you know homebodies the last week just working on our website same thing like diving in and just trying to get a lot of stuff done. And I'm just really excited with our new branding and everything how you know, everything's going to turn out. So yeah, we should be wrapping that up soon. So do you feel like business is like it all slower with everyone just on vacation for summer. It feels like no one's really inside. Do you feel like yeah, I feel the same way. I know we have summer weddings out here, but I feel like we're really slow for like July and August same. Yeah, and it's good. Weird, but in September, it's definitely going to pick up again. It's super crazy til ya December so same yeah exactly. It's kind of nice. It's almost like a little summer vacation I guess right now exactly and you know, and I love that feeling like going back to what you said about hanging out in your house. Like I love a good Summer Outing going to get ice cream, but there is something so comforting and energizing about, you know, just staying inside especially if it is raining, you know, and put it on a candle and just getting that Creative Energy. Energy flowing. Oh, I like I've been doing today my guilty pleasure. I put on Christmas music this morning. I know I could hear it before we got on to record. I could hear it through my headphones. Yeah, cuz I are picked up. So I lit my candle on my desk and I picked up a new candle at home goods and it's like an apple cinnamon spice and like okay, I need Christmas music. So technically Christmas in July is like yes, nothing exactly. Oh, yeah Randall, and I have actually had Christmas in July party like two years ago and it was so much fun. We had such a blast. So if you ever get around to doing it, I highly suggest it because it's so much fun. Yeah, I think I did. I feel like I saw pictures or something probably because way back when I have like little flamingos with Santa hats. Yeah. I'm excited for fall and Christmas and all of it. Mmm. Me too. Yeah, like overall, you know, we've been these hermit crabs at home, which is Be fine, but you know I use that time that you guys are actually in New York to really, you know, just dive deeper with our website and develop everything with our branding and you know, I've had that mindset all week of being creative and getting fun with it and you know kind of having that outside perspective and we even did a product shoot, you know, I want to build a new photos. Yeah, and it was so much fun. I had a blast with it and I just took some pictures that were so Me and I can't wait to post them. I was just like really focused on those things. So it was kind of hard for me when that was sending out proposals and emails and like I don't want to do this. Yeah, so I was just sitting there like kind of putting it off. I'm like wait. Oh my gosh, hold up. I have to send these out. What am I thinking? These are the people that are like paying our bills and like we're getting payments from these people. I need to prioritize their the reason that you have the creative things to work on exactly. Yeah business creative with so but all those things are necessary, you know, like you said developing your website and your branding, you know, but then also taking time to send out proposals. I feel like you do need a day, you know set aside where you can set up a booth and take new photos of props and backdrops, especially if you've added to your collection, I find myself either really business minded or really creative minded it just kind of depends on Week so, you know, I guess the question is and the whole reason for this episode is how do we balance between the two see this is why I love this industry so much because I feel like you kind of get the best of both worlds, you know, the creative amp is inside. So when you are balancing it into a, you know, like your workflow or just scheduling, you know, your work week almost I like to spend three to four hours every morning just sending out emails and I'm finishing those business things, you know that we don't really like that, you know, sometimes it's enjoyable but sometimes it's not and just prioritizing like our clients are, you know, our first priority so I always like to make sure I'm getting right back to them. Even if they emailed us the night before, you know, just making sure I'm spending that time sending those emails or proposals out and then usually my mind works really really well later at night anyway, so that's when I Really creative, you know and do just having fun with it. Yeah, so if that's adding in photos into our website or you know, setting up the photo booth with our backdrops and doing some cool photos with our props, you know, just little things like that. So if we do have the time where we're not really doing anything after, you know late afternoon into the evening Randall, I will just kind of embrace it will be like, hey, let's do it. Like what do we need? Like what else do we need to do to be creative? I wonder if that's why Like in our signs or like something to do with the moon or something because I obviously think way like when it's dark outside I can put on like a candle and my salt lamp and I just like my creative mind just flourishes, you know. Yeah, do you feel like it's really hard for you when you are in the creative mindset to kind of step away from it, especially when you're on like a roll 100% Yeah, like if I can't finish Creative task that I'm working on I get itchy almost because I'm like if I stop now, I don't know when I'll be back. Oh I get so upset at Randall if he bothers me. I'm like go away I get so upset. I'm like seriously. Like I'm you know in the mindset it's hard for me like, you know this week. I was working on our website and I was just hustling literally till you know, two three in the morning because my mind I was just going going going, you know, and I was like, you know, I'm okay with it Randall didn't bug me. He like knew I had to really like get into it, you know and like once I did get into it you like didn't bother me. Now you kind of know so yeah that happened last night. I was redoing our website and Joel, you know, we were having some people over for dinner and he's like you need to go make dinner like just because it's it was a particular dinner that he's never made before so he Didn't really know how and he was like, you're the one who knows how to do it. I need you to do it. I've like set everything out for you and like I'll do whatever else you need me to do, but I don't know how to do this. And I was just like I can't stop like I was almost done with just like a few like things that we were I was doing to the website and it was like like I was trying to tear myself away from my computer to go make a dinner and thankfully in that situation. I ended up just telling him what he needed to do and he was able to manage it and I gained myself like 35 minutes before everyone came over. But yeah, it's definitely hard when you're on a roll to like just stop, you know, because you lose sight of that creativity and you know, your brain is like kind of on like this path, you know, and once you're kind of in the groove of things, you don't want to forget what your mind was leaning towards I guess so when I like step away, I'm always like Maybe I should write this down before I forget and if I were to come back, you know, I could just keep going with it. Right exactly. And you know, I do find it hard to transition like during the day if I am, you know working on like like yesterday. I mean, it's a perfect example, I was working on our website, but I was also sending out contracts proposals, you know people were booking so I had to do follow-ups. I was working on photos sending out galleries. Like I was I was just doing like a some creative things and some business side of things. Things and if I'm on a roll, you know one way or the other it's hard for me to like stop and pull back into, you know, just kind of like going back and forth. But what I have figured out that works for me is just having a workflow it helps so much because if I am in the creative mindset, you know, like working on our website, for example, I can stop for a few minutes, you know, 30 minutes to catch up on those emails that are coming through sending proposals galleries or whatever. I need to do that day because my workflow is just so curated that Really takes me no time to do those things. So that is definitely helped. I don't have to you know, I can like safely balance back like bounce back and forth knowing that I can kind of like go right back into it. So I do find that being creative takes a lot more energy for me. Now, you know when I did photography it was mostly like shooting and I really had to learn how to manage the business and like those side of things and I think I still think you know, there were things that I could have improved on like marketing. And follow-ups and things to help kind of push the business forward. Whereas like I do all those things now with the booth for some reason. They're just easier with the booth and I find being creative takes a lot more energy with the booth not because it's hard to be creative with a photo booth, but just like the business side has become a lot easier for me just with the photo booth, you know, so throughout your career of just owning, you know your businesses. Do you feel it's been easier to be more business focused or creative. My goodness definitely creative, you know, I went to school to be creative. So that's my first thought when it comes to business like how to be creative and the creative side of things. I can do that all day every day that's so easy for me and it comes really naturally to so like being a business owner. It's kind of taught me. Hey, I need to you know be great at both, you know business does come first because these people are paying us their testing our their money into our business, you know, you want to have happy clients, you know, so I really had to train my mind to think the opposite but once I started creating a workflow that kind of, you know worked for me and our schedule and everything like that. We just really started seeing the success in that and I'm like this works, you know, so I feel like just finding that balance because if you're all business or all creative, it's not going to work, you know you want to find A of being able to balance that to create the success in your business and like you said earlier, you know, the business side of things is what pays the bills. Yeah exactly without that, you know, so, I don't know how many of you listening struggle, you know to balance between the two or if you know one way or the other some of you may be better at the business side and need more creative inspiration or you may be listening to this episode and just you know, you have fun creating but you need help marketing your business and taking time to do those. Daily tasks one thing that I you know, will note that no matter which side you are focusing on the hardest part is getting started either way, like whether you're diving into a creative project or trying to do your monthly expenses. The hardest part is getting started for me monthly expenses is my like downfall I try to plug them into my bookkeeping system. You know, I try to do like the first of June due May. Yeah it takes Me like several months to backlog older months. Like I'm pretty good at it some times where I'm like every month doing it, but I have like at least two to three months that I need to plug into my bookkeeping right now. It's just like one of those heart like it's just a hard business tasks for me to stay on top of and you know, I someone listening might be like, why don't you something that like tracks your expenses for you? Because I don't trust them right now. I have tried so many different. Different bookkeeping, you know? Oh, I have our musical. I know we had that conversation. I was like, what do you do and you're just like I have to write it all out. You know, I'm the same way. Like I want to visually see it when I was using these other programs. I was just so lost and felt kind of confused. Yeah. I feel like none of them really, you know, like categorize my expenses way that they actually need to be so, you know, I feel like Even as a photographer, I don't feel like they were like perfect at it. So I just do it myself and it really doesn't take it really does not take very long and it doesn't take a lot of energy it just trying to get me to do it. Yeah is the issue definitely. I know it's the last thing that I want to do, but I know when I do it I feel so much better. I love seeing where our money is going. Yeah, and just kind of staying on top of those things. It's really really nice. How have you learned to exercise? No, your business mind and making it, you know a priority because I know you said you're more of like creative minded. So so like what do you do? So I always like to write everything down. I don't know why but I just process those things better and I'm just able to like visually see it on paper. Even if it's on the computer. I don't really like see it that great. I use a notepad for everything I do too. Yeah, and it just really helps same. So if I think of a creative idea or you know, I have my to do I try to categorize everything so I'll be like, you know on honey book because I use honey book as our platform and I'll see you know, okay, I need to follow up with so and so so I'll write down a list of follow-ups that I have to do. You know, I'll write down a list of brochures. I need to send out creative things. I want to get done. So if that's like for the website or whatever it is, you know. And then also, you know prepping templates and you know getting stuff ready for the weekend. So I just like two categories things like that on to my notepad and then I just check it off as I go and then if I don't finish anything it goes, you know on to the next page for the next day, you know, so I could make that a priority for the next day. 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You know, like I said in categories, you know, so even if it's a two to three things in each category, at least those things are getting done and then it's getting moved to the next day and then you can just finish that you know, so right if it's consistent where every day, you know, that's your that's your workflow. You know, if it's Monday through Friday or you know No, Wednesday through Friday or whatever it is, you know, whatever days you set for yourself, you know, it's like going into a 9 to 5 job, you know create that workflow. So you're not feeling overwhelmed but you're tackling, you know, say two to three things in each little category and you're still getting those things accomplished, you know on your little notepad or whatever to just to feel like saying about yourself, right? You know, because I know when I see a whole long Less on my oh my gosh. Where do I start and then I procrastinate but if I just start going, you know tackling it one by one. Oh my gosh, it takes you know three hours and I was thinking it was going to take me, you know all week. Exactly. That's how it always feels. I think. Yeah, the way that I balance between the two is that I just kind of plan to do the business side of things and then I have, you know, like a weekly creative day where for maybe three to four hours, you know. For me, it's Thursdays. I will shut off my email and I will put my phone on do not disturb and that is when I just like block out time to update website photos more. So website photos and like website stuff kind of get it gets done like once a month or one. Yeah once every few months right now, but if I'm like honor roll, which I usually am it's just hard with summer because we've been like like we randomly took the New York trip kind of thing, but I will just use Thursday's to update website photos or just Is or a plan out my Instagram and create new content for Instagram and our marketing platforms or just sit down and brainstorm ideas. It just it really is helpful to just delegate creative days, you know, so yeah, I feel like if you're just kind of like, oh, yeah, I need to do these things. I need to do these things without actually having an action plan of when you're going to sit down and do them. I think they can just kind of always be pushed to the you know the next page for the next day. So I think having a creative Of day and just planning to do mostly business things every other day. He is really helpful because you mentally block out time to be creative and poor Creative Energy back into your business. Definitely and I know on Saturday when we were working and doing stuff with the podcast, you know, you kind of sat down with me and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited with the website. I want to start doing these things. But I feel like the list is so long and when we sat down I was like, let's just tackle one by one and sure enough. Hurted we got everything done and even more so, you know, and so when you feel like just overwhelmed with like a list, it's usually not that big of a deal right but also the key takeaway there is how we were sitting down on a Saturday, you know, like we both pour into our own businesses and the admin stuff for the podcast and so we randomly took the Saturday to be creative. I feel like that's what it takes. I think you have to set aside a time for me. I can set aside their Thursdays and I'm good with that. But maybe it's Thursday night for you. Maybe it's like you need time. We don't feel like you need to be in the office like on business, you know, and just like set aside a time where you can just feel that Creative Energy. Yeah, or even like on a Monday. I kind of on Mondays. I kind of split it like if we have events over the weekend on Monday, we're being lazy all day. But if we have like one event or no events over the weekend on Monday. You know, I try to reset our week get excited for the week, you know, kind of sit down bounce ideas off Randall and just have like that time to you know, do a little bit of both like relaxed kind of just like, you know, enjoy the time together and then if we say go get dinner or lunch or something maybe talking about hey, what are some things you know, you like to see to get creative with our business, you know, and kind of just talking to someone, you know that has a other perspective of something. You know and he helps me with a lot of fun creative ideas, you know. Yeah, I love sitting down and talking to Joel about yeah, like an idea that I have. It's so refreshing Mmm Yeah, because they see you day-to-day, you know, and so they see the business from their perspective. They like know what you're doing with the business where it's going and then they could just kind of come in and really help with like any, you know struggles you're having, you know, sometimes we need that little extra help herb that boost, you know, Right. So let's talk about you know in the middle of a busy season when it's almost impossible to do anything except the essential, you know daily tasks like singing off Galleries and follow up, you know, falling up the clients or proposals. You know, how do we find time to be creative and find new energy to avoid burnout? So I schedule everything I know we do that consistently for the podcast, but even we're doing it for the podcast I threw in you know our of Vents into the calendar so we knew you know, when our busiest times were, you know, we can kind of work around those things. So in our calendar, you know, I have the podcast the photo booth, you know, I have our events. I like to keep track of even payments coming in. So I could see that on the calendar when bills are going to be do stuff like that. So you can just really see where everything is going and just kind of be on top of it and be prepared, you know for the future. Every month, you know, and so I think staying on schedule really helps you be on top of things even with Instagram or posting things to social media, you know, we use plan only to like really help us, you know schedule Instagram and make sure make sure it looks great too, you know, so so I guess it comes back to like we were just talking about just even scheduling time to be creative. Yeah, you know and time to breathe and take a little time off and I don't mean like oh weak in you know, Mexico. Yeah. I just need to take like you're going to take Sunday off because burnout is a real thing. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know a few episodes back I was crying. Yeah, you know, I was so overwhelmed and so now I feel like I've really been able to prioritize things during the week, you know, if we do have events over the weekend. My priority is not going to be getting creative that week, you know, my priority is let me work. And getting all the templates designed. I really really enjoy creating, you know, a workflow that just works for you know, desert Luna and the podcast and it just helps us like just to stay on top of things, you know and making things happen. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So every day, you know, you kind of have to set your workflow and like your hustle and have that drive at first when we first started out I would literally stare at my computer screen and be like What do I do when you first started desert Luna? Yes, I want I don't know what to do here. Like I want people emailing us and I want the emails coming in. I want you know to create this workflow and now I'm like, oh my gosh, I don't have enough time in a day. You know. Yeah. Well part of that is a podcast. I had the same issue and I love being busy like not in an overly busy way that, you know defeats the purpose of our anti hustle episode, but I have set work hours and I want to be working. During those hours there have been times in the past where I felt like my workflow is almost to streamlined if that's possible just because I would finish tasks so fast just because my workflow was like awesome like I set it up to do that. Very thing. Yeah and like it'd be great to be like, okay, I'm done with work. Let me go do all these other things but I also am, you know, both a business owner and creative. So I want to be like pouring myself and my business and yeah the podcast has been Great. It's been a like a really awesome creative side project that I really needed to get both the business energy and the creative, you know energy back than my week. So that's awesome. Now that we've had our busy season with bookings. We're starting to like really, you know approach these fall bookings for our own company. It's actually been really fun kind of like, you know learning how to balance all of it between the podcast and our business and the point of this episode, you know is to how to find balance between the daily tasks and creating so When you can find that balance, I feel like it is really really rewarding and your business is growing but it's also evolving it's growing with the business side of things, but it's evolving when you're pouring creativity back into it. Yeah. Definitely. I know when we first started the podcast, you know, we just kind of started diving into the admin things and like getting things done and it was just so nice to like sit down with you and like see your workflow and we're kind of at the same level I guess and just being able to like get those Those things done, but I feel like you know, we have to have those creative days where even if it's once a month were you know, scheduling plan only together and having fun and what pictures are we going to use or like, you know developing the website more just sitting down and just being creative and thinking brainstorming ideas. Yeah, just so like make it a fun experience for all of our listeners out there. You know, I feel like as we're talking I'm thinking about how we should you know a For this past Saturday, we should definitely do that. Like we need to put it on the calendar to have a creative day for ourselves. You know, we've been talking about our businesses the whole time but the podcast is the same like yeah, you know, we sat down and we worked on some fun new features that we're going to be talking about the very end of this episode that we just heard offering and our website and if we hadn't just sat down on a Saturday and just been like hey you have time like I have time let's just be creative today. We wouldn't have done it exactly. I think we Need to do that. Yeah forward. Oh definitely. I couldn't agree more, you know, there's always a time and a place for both and I feel like if we do end up going with what we're feeling for that day. I feel like that's when it's the most rewarding and we truly enjoy what we're working on. You know, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life, you know, and it's just fun. Yeah, and I do love that quote, you know, like if you love what you do, you never work a day in your life. I think that's I so true for me. I really do love what I do. I don't feel like I'm working like The one I'm hustling with proposals and you know all that stuff like they're truly business side of things. I absolutely love it. And I think that's what the episode should have been called. You know, it's so true. I have experienced real burn out before and it doesn't mean that I stopped loving my job, but I do have to take some time off and last year was a good example. I was on the go so much through are busy busy fall season by the time I was done. I almost couldn't go into my office. I was feeling so drained. Yeah, I just wasn't taking the time to be creative and you know use my creative mind and I was just like go go go with the business side. And you know, I was in my office doing you know, all the backend work and then I was doing most of the events myself without any kind of assistant or attendance or help or anything like that just because I just I just was like, it's who I got it. I'm just going to do it and it was you know at the end. I was just like I'm not opening my office door. Yeah, so that's why I wanted to feel like when you get to that point you open your office. You're just like you kind of cringe a little bit are you doing I like don't I didn't even want to go near my computer. Yeah. Yeah. It's so exhausting that's you know what I wanted from this episode because I wanted to talk about how if you're wanting more creative ideas for your business. You have to set aside time to find them and if you are feeling any kind of burnout, you need to take a look at like how you're balancing or a lack thereof, you know, are you taking time to re-energize yourself a trip to Mexico, you know is kind of what I always. Picture when I say like take take some time off or re-energize yourself. I literally picture myself on a beach but you know in that is awesome. And that's one way but on a monthly basis, you know, you can't I mean hey if you can go to Mexico on a monthly basis, then you should be doing this podcast not us, but for most of us, we can't, you know, take time off to go to Mexico once a month. So on a monthly basis turn off your email get a cup of hot tea or whatever you like grab a notebook and overall just A few hours brainstorming and pouring, you know, not even just working on your website and things like that because I feel like those can feel a little admin sometimes so I'm talking about like brainstorming ideas in a notebook getting on Pinterest, you know, just getting inspired and you know from their set aside a day to put the work back into these projects. The creative projects are just as important as the business side, even if you only do them once a month, so set aside time to be creative. In the midst of all your business activities. Yeah, or even you know, unplugging so no technology don't take your laptop, you know, put your phone on do not disturb and go to cute coffee shop or somewhere that inspires you it's super cute, you know, it's a nut in. Yeah, soak it in favorite pen exactly get excited about those things like those visual things. I know when I see places or go places where it's just so like exciting to like be in that element. And stuff like that. It just really inspires me. So I feel like that's really important. But then also self-care, you know, just making sure you are balancing that work life and personal life, you know, you don't want to drain yourself or exhaust yourself to the point where you know, you aren't creating for your fullest potential, you know, we owe it to ourselves and even our clients, you know to be fully present with our ideas and services. So, you know, we are providing a service that is fun and Native and they're investing their time and money with us, you know, so we need to make sure we're you know on our a game at all times. You know, I feel like it just kind of exactly like to sum up what you just said there, you know saying balancing, you know work life with just like self-care. I think that is another term for business mind versus creative mind. I feel like you know, if you're listening to this podcast you do want to be creative or you are creative or you're drawn to Of things and I feel like the work life equals the business mind. Yeah, and if you're just constantly using those muscles, then you're not pouring back in the self-care, which is your creative mind. And you know, yeah. Yeah, one of the things that you know, Katie and I have been working on for the admin side of things for the podcast is actually blogging on our website, you know, we wanted to implement something fun on our website and talk a little bit more about these topics that we are discussing on the podcast. So We've actually recapped our episodes and talked a little bit more about them for you guys, you know, and which I'm really excited about. Yeah, and it's just something fun and creative for us within that and so I just feel like it's creating that other element for us even and if you guys do comment, we will answer on them. So it's important that you give us as much insight into each topic so we can talk about these things. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited about the blog post. You know, I don't want to Just say exactly what we say in the pot like from the podcast of the blog post. It will be a little of that just because you know, we're we are kind of recapping but at the same time I like I want to use the blog to extend the conversations and I want to have you know guest bloggers. If you are interested in guest blogging like send us samples of your work. If you're interested in that you can email us to creative photo booth podcasts at gmail.com. And you know, we just want to extend even more of the conversation because I feel like you know, we're trying to fit so many ideas into like, you know, 30 45 minutes to an hour. So there's so much more we could talk on each topic and if you do have a blog post request, you know, if it's something you want us to dive more into we can definitely like write a blog post about it too if you if you do like reading so another thing we've added to our website as well that we kind of alluded to earlier are our consultations. I've actually been offering then yeah. Like side, I've been offering them for a few years to help business owners grow their business and I love them because they provide like an hour or two of just one-on-one for you and your business which is really catered to like what you are going through. You know, if you're interested in booking a consultation or learning more about we're offering we're going to link the episode in the episode description for you to send us an email on how you know, we can help you grow your business a console is a great way to Target topics. You want to talk about specific to your business or get advice from I'm Us in certain areas you make areas. You may be struggling with, you know, you can ask us general questions about the ins and outs of running a business or if you need help with, you know, anything with a topic that maybe we've already covered on the podcast but you're like can we dive into this specifically for my business and like things that I can Implement for my business, you know, that's what these consultations are for. So if you are interested in that, please send us an email and we'll talk more about it. Yeah, and just to even help with like the success of your business, you know, we've really been striking out. Conversations and our Facebook group as well. 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Hello and welcome. You're listening to the embodied astrology horoscopes for Capricorn season in 2019. My name is Renee. I'm an artist an astrologer and a somatic intuitive in these audio horoscopes all outline. What I perceive as the main areas of focus for each sign in the month ahead and give you creative embodied and practical suggestions. As for working with this season's biggest opportunities and challenges remember that horoscopes describe general energies and it's up to you to get specific listen with your intuition turned on and your mind open take what works leave the rest. I suggest that you listen to the horoscopes for your son and your rising signs. Your sun sign is what you tell people when they ask what's your sign it has to do with the time of year. You were born. 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So you'll never miss an episode because you want to catch them all don't you? Hello Aquarius, welcome. All right. So Capricorn season. This is a big deal astrologically speaking. The season is bringing to combination a lot of energy that's been building for a really long time. Now even up to the last decade and it describes a Breaking Point and a turning point and a point of Action, so as I mentioned in the introduction, I'm going to use this time to really talk to you about what I'm sensing in your chart as potentials for how this energy is working. I'm going to talk to the energy and the sensations if you want the astrology check in with the subscription offerings, there's a lot there so as we begin Capricorn season on December 21st, it seems to me like you are in a place of really kind of feeling your internal energy starting to pressurize and I'm thinking about a pressure cooker right now and we're like right at the moment before the most extreme pressure happens and whatever it is that's cooking really gets cooked through and I think that you realize that there is potential in this moment to move you into a new iteration of who you want to be and you might be feeling a lot of potential to Experience yourself in a really different way experience your own Freedom your individuality your identity and and even your appearance really differently. I think that the exalted potential of this is that a new radical kind of self-love is entering into your Consciousness and your really ready to expand your awareness in some pretty foundational ways. You're ready to move through what has been tying you up. So old limitations from the past, you know insecurities and kind of stuck places that have their roots in childhood or even beyond your childhood into your gestational experience into your family experience and ancestry, but you're wanting to get real free you're wanting to liberate yourself and in order to liberate yourself. There is this intense pressure that's happening and some of you will be experiencing this pressure in a kind of focused and maybe exhilarating or even Joyful Way where it feels like you are really working with your your mind maybe even with what I'm going to call like your your higher mind or your higher self. You might be working in spiritual Dimensions Cosmic Missions you could be some of you are getting pretty far out there. I imagine others of you might be feeling this moving more towards something that could feel a little bit like a mental break where the internal pressure is getting so great and the lack of things that are in your actual control or your ability to understand what the fuck is going on is feeling so crazy that you don't know which way is up and you What to do with yourself and then there's everything in the spectrum between those two but the connecting kind of principle is that this is something that's happening in a very kind of subliminal vague energetic State and if you're a sensitive person you might be really sensitive right now to what's happening in the world. I mean, it's such a wild kind. Of place out there and and the things that are happening can you know be devastating and they can be exhilarating and they can be really confusing. And so if you're a sensitive person and you're picking up on Vibes in the external world, you know, that's definitely a potential with what I'm seeing for you right now is that what you're picking up is also then working in tandem with how you are processing your own emotions your own energy. And on some level like you're you're processing and you're processing in a really deep space. And so this kind of processing can feel very ephemeral and you may not be able to easily articulate what's happening with you. So it could you know, it's like obvious that you're going through something by the people around you might be like what's going on. Why don't you just talk to me and you might be like, I don't really know, you know, like I I know that something's happening, but I don't have words for it because it can feel like it's happening right behind your vision, you know are just out of out of your field level of conscious awareness and a lot could be surfacing in your dreams a lot could be surfacing in your subconscious. Again. Your sensitivities could be at an all-time high right now. I really want to encourage you to work with this energy through some kind of subtle. You practice and a subtle energy practice could be a lot of different things but a meditative kind of focus within whatever it is that you're doing is the thing so, you know, there are people who have meditative practices and archery and like learning to hold the bow with a steady hand and to draw back the arrow and two point and to stay calm. It's like that's the meditative Focus. There are people who do meditation and rock climb. There are people who do meditation and You know sit for hours and you know feel their breath. I have a particular love and find that I get a lot out of somatic meditation and somatic meditation uses felt sense awareness and embodiment and sometimes visualization to produce a meditative State and I have almost 80 guided meditations now that are available on Soundcloud. So if you go to SoundCloud and search Renee souls are embodied astrology find them. And I can't recommend enough that you give yourself time and space for meditation right now or for meditative awareness. You really want to connect with subtle energy in a way that you have some kind of agency with because you're super sensitive to subtle energy and subtle energy is working so deeply on you right now. So work with your breath work with your vibration work with your resonance work with sound work with station work with prayer, you know, whatever it is that's going to get you in their work with subtle energy and learn how to monitor the fluctuation of energy as it passes through your Consciousness. Learn how to direct your attention into more subtle vibrations in your experience so that you can expand your field of awareness so that you can connect with your spiritual guides with your higher-self etcetera. All of this is possible for you and it's just waiting for you to open the door. Work, so please move in that direction if you haven't already. The last thing that I want to say is that you know, as all these processes are working you are learning something about your mind and how your mind orient's you towards information critique and criticism is going to be a thing here as is your own ego how your ego oriented towards or towards information, do you? Receive things as an opportunity to assert your intelligence or cut someone else down. Do you perceive things as an opportunity to cut yourself down do you perceive you know, how is it that your mind is orienting you to what is coming in right now? You're learning something about that and as you learn to work skillfully with your mind how to orient towards information in a way that is Discerning and helpful. You're also learning to speak more. Skillfully to yourself. So your inner narrator is working to refine and this in turn is going to have beneficial consequences for you and your Communications with others. Now. This is a long phase of growth and development that you're in for almost the next decade and you're right at the beginning of it right now. So I really want to encourage you to do that first part of watching your mind and notice noticing how you notice and what kinds of information picking up on and how you're orienting towards information and that of course is working in tandem with this awareness that you definitely want to be developing around subtle energies and both of those two things will really help you to relieve and alleviate the sense of pressure that I'm talking about and they will also both help you to move into this new phase of growth and Liberation that I feel like is just around the corner for you. All right. Finally, there are two eclipses this month. So on December 25th or 26th, depending on where you are. There is a solar eclipse at four degrees of Capricorn. Check your natal chart. See if you have any planets around four degrees of Capricorn. This eclipse is offering quite a lot of availability available in sight and especially for you doing this work with energy and a tuning yourself. To how you're perceiving energy. This Eclipse could be an amazing time for you to open some doors. It could also be a period of time within intense and acute pressure in this kind of vague and articulate a bowl way. So watch your mood if you feel like you are about to burst at the seams. What I would really recommend for you is some kind of movement practice that can get your lower body moving. So walking running shaking would be awesome. If you can do it like a chi gong kind of shaking practice and just shake out your lower body activate the base of your spine your pelvic floor. Shake your ass for a long time. Let go dancing that'll really help you with moving this energy and for getting what you want from it, which is actually this really cool kind of psychic opening. That's that's a possibility without Eclipse. There's also a message here that you want to be releasing. Disbelief in your psychic opening releasing disbelief or restrictions and accessing your intelligence and your intuition and trying to clear out the mental blocks and inertia that might keep you from connecting with these more subtle energies on February. Excuse me, not February 10th on January 10th there. Well, basically from January 10th through 13th, there is kind of build up an accumulation of a lot of what I've been talking. About especially when it comes to this kind of pressure. I'll talk significantly more about this particular pressure and what's being asked of us in the Capricorn season podcast. So as I mentioned in the introduction, please listen to that podcast because you'll get a lot there to help you work with the energy of this entire month, but especially what's happening between the 10th and the 13th of January and on the 10th of January kind of kicking all of this off is a lunar eclipse at 20 degrees of cancer. So again, check your chart if you have NATO placements at 20 cancer or 20 Capricorn since the sun will be in Capricorn. This eclipse is also particularly potent for you. And this is a really, you know, big and pivotal time this month when we can let go of these outdated belief systems old programming for you, especially the ways that you get blocked in your energy flow in your subtle awareness in your intuition in your faith. And what clogs you energetically and affects your health mental emotional physical health. This full moon is a great time to release it and purged from some of that energy. And then also a really quite profound time to call in a new kind of awareness of subtle energy and how you can invite that subtle energy to be more present with you and for you to be more present with it. It is to really try and meet your life with a lot of care and tenderness, so if you can meet your environments anyone or anything that you care for your pets any dependents that you have, you know, really try and practice tenderness practice tenderness with your own body. This will be really helpful for you and moving through some of those blockages and connecting with your subtle energy. All right. I'm going to leave it there for your Capricorn horoscope. I hope you've enjoyed as I mentioned in the introduction. There's a lot of ways to stay connected. Please follow me on Instagram at embodied astrology. Check out the Capricorn season podcast become a subscriber. There is so much information for you with the subscription. And then if you are in Portland, I hope to see you at some of the events that I'm offering in January. All right, wishing you all the best in Capricorn season and Beyond. Bye for now. Just a reminder that I'll be offering to Live Events the weekend of January 4th in Portland, Oregon and I would love to see you there check the show notes for more info or go to embodied astrology.com and find my live events in the Play and Learn section. Happy New Year.

These horoscopes are month-ahead forecasts for each sign for Capricorn Season in 2019/2020. Capricorn Season extends between December 21, 2019 - January 20, 2020. Go to embodiedastrology.com to find short written horoscopes for all 12 signs If you enjoy these horoscopes, please listen to “Break Down to Breakthrough - Embodied Astrology for Capricorn Season.” In this episode I’ll take you on a tour of the zodiacal energy of Capricorn and explore how it manifests in our bodies, minds, emotions, relationships and in the world and I’ll discuss some of the potent transits happening in Capricorn season linking us to cycles that have deeply influenced our world for the past 500 years. Everyone has every sign in their chart, and Capricorn represents amazing and important energy for each of us. This episode is a great preparation for the next 30 days of Capricorn season and is also a very healing and powerful energy to check in with at any point. Listen here: https://anchor.fm/embodied-astrology/episodes/Break-Down-to-Breakthrough---Embodied-Astrology-for-Capricorn-Season---December-21--2019---January-20--2020-e9lvfs Get the Capricorn Season Month Ahead Extended Forecast by becoming a subscriber today! https://www.embodiedastrology.com/tip-jar Follow Embodied Astrology: Instagram - @embodiedastrology Facebook - Embodied Astrology (@embodiedastrology) Cover Art by Janna Dorothy --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

so we can hello everyone and welcome to living in the square body podcast about barriers to embodiment and how our Collective body stories can bring us back to ourselves. I'm a sharp interest and I appreciate you joining me today. As always. I would really appreciate that. People are rating this podcast on Apple podcasts. I have a goal to reach as many people as I can with these interviews. So if you can take a moment and give this podcast if I star review before listening any further, I would love it. So on to the it's this is definitely a month of upcoming workshops that are all about diving deep in the realm of what healing means both from the perspective of working as a queer healing practitioner and also as a person doing their own healing work in both of the workshops that I'm offering we will interrogate what health means and what nourishment is and can be And a lot more on October 28th from 7 to 9 p.m. Eastern Standard time. I will be hosting a virtual workshop for queer healing practitioners in this Workshop. You will come to the group with some Stock points, whether it be stuck points in the realm of burnout struggles to maintain sustainable coping and containment tools Annie for Mutual recognition and balance or seeking. I Is to redirect or enliven your career this Workshop is open to therapist sex workers yoga Pilates personal trainers medical professionals. Doulas astrologers body workers Reiki practitioners. I guess that's body workers coaches herbalists breathwork facilitators teachers join in we Think as practitioner, sometimes we get really siloed into our little world and especially our Instagram. personal business Areas, I don't know if anyone can relate to that and kind of lose touch with the need to really have peer support around how complex you know, quote-unquote healing work is and what it means to be a practitioner with integrity and with a body and with a story and with a life all of that. We will discuss in a Explorer and open up. So I hope you join me another Workshop that I'm offering it's going to be held on November 10th from 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time and I'll be co-hosting part one of a two-part virtual Workshop. You can do both parts. You can do one part. The first part is happening on November 10th, and I'm co-hosting it with Marielle Berg, who is a The therapist and podcaster. She's trained in the health at every size modality. She's the host of the skillful podcast and it's just a cookie. Both of those are definitely worth listening to those podcasts. She's a queer white cisgendered therapist. As I said in recovery from an eating disorder. She is the founder and director of the Bay Area DBT in couples counseling center in San Francisco. She also supports people worldwide. I am feeling disordered eating and body hatred through online coaching. So the workshop is called Health ISM and nutritionism are not helping with your healing. It's open to all people including those in the health and healing professions as well as those like us who have been impacted by Health ISM and nutritionism in our own relationships to our bodies and Marielle and I will talk a bit more openly about that that act in the workshop will Define what health is Amanda nutritionism are and how those Concepts interfere with true healing you will have the option to meet again for another were actual Workshop in early 2020 with Ilya Parker of decolonizing fitness and a past podcast interview you if you haven't listened to the episode with Ilya, please go back and listen to it and find out everything about what Iliad. I support it all and in 2020 will early 2020 which I can't believe it's almost that time. We'll delve a little bit deeper into this topic around Health ISM and nutritionism. But in essence both workshops are pertinent for people who can relate to some of these questions. Do you find yourself choosing Foods based on whether they are good bad or clean do you? Inhabit a disabled fat or chronically ill body that is judged for being bad week or lacking in discipline. Do you work with people in your professional life who negatively judge others who aren't healthy or themselves? Do you intellectually disagree that health is not entirely in your own hands, but find yourself making decisions in your life that are driven by an imperative to constantly improve your health. There are openings for both workshops and you can register on my website which is living in this queer body.com or through the link in my Instagram bio at living in this queer body. Also just to note these workshops are going to be available to the life participants and also to people who register they can have if you can't show up for the live event you can have access to a recorded copy of the two-hour Workshop. So these workshops. Both of them are all extremely relevant to our podcast guest today the lovely and skillful, Frankie. Grrrr, Frankie is an acupuncturist and herbalist with a focus on trans affirming Health practicing out of Brooklyn. They offer a sliding scale for people of color trans people and sex workers. You can find out more about their practice at yarrow underscore medicine on Instagram. That's why a rrow underscore medicine on Instagram. I hope you enjoyed our conversation. And find ways to support this podcast and the very important work that Frankie is doing in the world. So Frankie, it's really glad I'm really glad I'm really glad to have you this morning. And to talk to you. Thanks for being here. Yeah, thank you for inviting me. So I guess I'd like to start with a question and and it's something you and I have kind of talked a little bit about prior to the interview as like a sort of challenging question to answer and I myself have actually been trying to answer it because for myself because that only seems fair in some ways. I'm going to be asking this question to people and I've being on the receiving end of it. I'm like, oh this is a really confronting question, but we'll give it a try. And so, you know, I guess I'm curious about your early experiences of what you learned about having or being in a body. Yeah. Well, I think you know if if I'm being honest there's trauma that's involved in that. So I may be a little more vague and answering but I know one thing that I think kind of pretty big impact on me as a kid is just being exposed to pornography at an early age and that sends so many confusing messages Stewart sent me confusing messages about gender. Durand like you know, I think beauty standards and then you know, of course measuring myself up to that and feeling like I can't compare so that definitely was something that influenced my childhood. Hmm and maybe just, you know feelings of like confusion around how sexualized body should be your like how I don't know like there was sort of like a I think this like learning about sex and bodies in a way that wasn't actually true or real. It was like a fantasy and you know, and then I kind of equate and you equate it more with like violence or I don't know just like very convoluted Association. Yeah. Yeah, and I think I think that's it makes a lot of sense, especially when it not even especially but in particular at an early age that just like that experience of not really understanding that we're even in bodies, you know, like today and then coming in to a realization of being in a body. I'm sure it's like a lot to unravel and you know, we'll talk about it more but you know, it's the lat it's been a lot for you to unravel throughout your life. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely Been a lot of unlearning that I still have to do. So yeah, totally. Yeah. How did you how did that kind of like shaming or I don't know bullying maybe hopefully not but how did that play out in terms of how you continued, you know throughout your teenagers and into early adulthood around gender and oh god, well, sorry I kind of cut you off but I'm like so I remember distinctly like Being I because I kind of like started puberty late. I had her I had a short haircut. I was like obsessed with Sailor Moon and I like wanted to be clear anus which is like so funny because like I had no concept of like transness at that point, but like of course, I gravitated towards that character and but I remember in Middle School like kids would push me into the boys bathroom and like they were really mean about me and not presenting and like a more feminine. And I also like, you know like messages from media growing up like, you know, I always kind of felt like I couldn't live up to this like standard of like - him Beauty and I think for a long time because I was told that that was wrong or shameful or like, you know, like almost like disgusting and I guess in some ways I definitely like tried really hard. Hard as like a young after middle school high school. I really want to achieve this like Beauty standard and I don't know it's just been like pretty recently where I've been like, you know what I don't really want to like do that. I can like Embody a lot of different like sides of myself and like if I want to be really fat my can do that, but also like Grace remember that coming up as a kid though, like being kind of told that like the way that I was presenting was. Like aberrant and weird. It sounds like you had you had like these role models in the form of, you know, like, you know, Sailor Moon or whatever, but did you have did you grow up in a place that where you had people around you who you were like attracted to our thought you you know, you wanted to be like or you know, did you have access to that? Not really. I remember I grew up in Greensboro, North Carolina. Sorry, that's the train going by and but yeah, I grew up in North Carolina and I like I didn't really feel like there was like a lot of like queer people in my school. I remember having like some crushes on like friends, but then like kind of just like not allowing myself to ever really go there. Mmm, and I also remember having crushes on like boys, so I was like, okay well like all redirect myself. Way, you know, so yeah, I think it was only like it really wasn't until like my adulthood that I was like, oh, this is actually something that I want to explore more. Hmm. And how did you get there? Like, what did you have to do in order to explore that more? Yeah. I think it was just about meeting more like weird weird people and be like, oh, yeah. I mean I was all you know, it's so funny because like I Feel like I was attracted to queer Community like I started going to Ida in 2011 and you know at that time I was like, well, I'm not I'm not queer. I just like want to go to I did you know, I was like, I'm just like here is like, you know, but then it's like it's so funny because you're like, why would I be attracted to that space if I like wasn't? We're just like though the ways that you kind of like go arrest skirt around the issue. But yeah, I think like mmm, I was living in Nashville at the time and I think like there were more just like visibly queer and trans people in Nashville. And then that kind of like helped me to be more exposed to community. Mmm-hmm. Yeah and during that time the time of like, I don't know a finding. Elf at Ida or like, you know beginning to explore queer Community or connection to queer Community. What was what was going on for you in terms of how you are feeling about? Your body and your kind of sense of self. Well, I mean my relationship with my body. I don't know. It's always been really I mean, you know, I'm sure for everyone it's like very complicated but I'm definitely struggled with like disordered eating and which I also think like has a lot to do with gender. Actually. Can you say a little bit more about that? Like what your thoughts are about how it how it connects because I mean I completely agree but for many people but I feel like we don't Maybe we as a community. Don't talk about that enough. Yeah, I mean I think it I've only recently been starting to kind of connect those dots. I have a lot of friends who are like trans masculine presenting and we've talked to them where you know, we're like yeah, we have these eating disorders and I think it's because like it's hard for me to accept like, you know, like a more like statement in fat distribution or like it's hard for me to accept these like more curves or whatever, you know, and not to like, you know, I'm hesitating saying that because I don't want it to sound like that phobic or anything but I just like I think that it does get like really wrapped up in this like gender presentation and like a lot I recently started like a low dose of testosterone and I think that that's actually been helping like a lot with body image stuff and I've had a lot of a lot of my friends here. Also, Auntie they're like, yeah, it really helped my eating disorder, you know, so it's definitely seems to be tied in yeah. yeah, yeah feeling like you have some may think so many people I work with and as a therapist and in community and personal friends to its there's something about And I think especially if you grew up or like weren't exposed to or haven't met met enough queer Community yet that will help you navigate this kind of like just broadly dysphoric experience. You know, like if you don't have any of that then there are lots of things that we one can do to sort of take things into your own hands, you know, and it is I think very on some level very effective. you know certain forms of disordered eating can really help give one a sense of control around something that feels very like pretty much inevitably not within our control ultimately but you know is like really difficult. And so I think I don't know just validating that that that's such a common experience. It's not talked about that much. I'm glad to hear you talk about it and also it's yeah, it's just a so prevalent and I imagine you also see that with some of the people that you work with in Europe. Dis you know? Yeah, that's like really struggling to really like trying to find methods to address just profound discomfort in one's body. Absolutely. Yeah, you know kind of like piggybacking on that idea or that theme is another thing I've seen and I also relate to is tattoos. I feel like are very like you know not it's like not an overtly like gendered thing, but I feel like I've seen a lot of Folks who? Yeah, they're like trying to control how their bodies are perceived by like easy and Tattoos to kind of like Mark them in a way where it's like I'm rejecting this like idea of like, you know femininity or like what like that looks like and I'm like, dr. The bunch of my clients here, like non-binary who say that like that's something that really helps them feel more in control, you know, and like I don't no scene. Hmm, and I definitely relate to that as well. Mmm-hmm. Yeah, when you when you were struggling more, I guess with disordered eating and not having a kind of sense of Yes control over how people were relating to you. How is that affecting? I don't know like your relationships or the kind of community that you are it was, you know, where you like super isolated or have you been isolated around it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, there was a long time where I wouldn't I wasn't ready to admit that that was an issue and I just kind of I was at it's actually kind of interesting because on some level. I think that the disordered eating was a part of the reason why I was interested in acupuncture and like alternative medicine because I got on this like really intense Health Care where I was like, okay when I like almost like I mean, it was definitely like to the raxiom. Yeah, right, so, you know Kind of funny because it did lead me to study acupuncture while I was in school though. They were like, yeah, you know, like the the eating habits I had they were like, yeah, those aren't actually like we don't promote those. So it was kind of cool for me to like hmm. I was doing this thingy. I just got like really like went down this Rabbit Hole of like health and fasting and like raw foods and like I don't know all this blue stuff that that I think is actually really dangerous and it did take me going to school and study and more about it too kind of like Snap myself out of that. I guess or just realized that like and be more willing to admit that that Wasn't like actually healthy, you know, I was doing it under the guise of health. And yeah, I mean it was very it was definitely isolating because I really structured my whole day around, you know, eating I can't you know, it's hard when you can't share meals with people because you have such limited or like such rigid dietary restrictions. He can't talk to people about it and I think on some level people can sense that there's something going going on because they see they see you doing that, you know and and you know, and I also like what I mean and I still do this but like I exercise a lot and that's like something that It's kind of like this thing where I'm like, okay, like I know that I can do this compulsively but it also helps ease anxiety. So, you know, I don't know it feels like it's both of those things. But yeah, I think it used to be a lot worse. We're like, I just would like really structure my day around around the eating disorder and like friends and lovers and whatever came second. Hmm, and now that I'm like, or able to admit to it and talk about it when I am having like Anxious thoughts about eating or like meaning to exercise I'm able to just like Express that and be like, this is like this thing, you know, and I think that that's a lot more healthy than like trying to isolate myself and keep it a secret. Hmm. Yeah. I'm just thinking I'm like in some ways. I'm really glad not that you know Chinese medicine is it's not like it's a perfect system. But you know, it's really in some ways. I'm glad that you in your deep, you know dive into quote unquote Health you found Chinese medicine and not something else like there are lots of there's so many other things that you could have really taken a deep dive with and I wonder like, you know, this this is kind of like a personal professional question, but you know, as you know as an acupuncturist, do you how do you feel when people much like yourself are coming in to work with you who are like doing the fasting thing are doing the you know, whatever. They're the kind of I don't want to just talk about fasting but you know, just doing whatever the the sort of popular somewhat orthorexia que. No restrictive diets are how do you navigate that? Well, usually I just try to be really I don't like to push. People very hard because I think that that's like a Surefire way of making people feel alienated and like, you know, I think that you have to build up. I don't know you have to build trust. So basically like when someone comes to me and they're talking about like a certain diet or something that they're doing that I don't necessarily agree with I won't really mention that but I will give them information that I received which is like, you know, if your Digestive system is working correctly. Your body should be able to handle whatever you throw at it and you know, I might offer that as some information if we're working with like a blood deficiency, which could be kind of translated as like iron deficiency or B12 deficiency. I'll just kind of let them know I'm like the best way to build blood is like by eating meat, but if you don't want to do that, then here are some other, you know other sources of that. So I just kind of gave them information. Not without trying to pass a lot of judgment on it. But also to kind of let them know like hey this system is not like it's not about eating, you know completely Pure or it's not about being totally vegan like you can you know, there's like you can tailor it to fit your needs and it's not as rigid as one might think Hmm and I do sometimes think that people come in and you know, they're like It was just I mean I also did this, you know, they're kind of like proud to tell me that their diet is restricted restricted in the certain way and and that's when I tend to offer up the information like well, actually I like Chinese medicine like eating meat is okay, you know, but but I just I don't like to push, you know, I really try to like I tried it offer the information and then not not really say much more. Mmm. Why do you think yeah, I mean, why do you think I think you offer something very particular probably for me. I guess everyone does but you offer something very particular to the the clients that you work with in terms of like a kind of permission. I know you work with a lot of like queer trans non-binary people and what do you think like, what's what do you think you're doing or providing for them that they're looking for? You know what I mean? Like what typically like people who come to Find you or who do find you. well, actually so it's funny because I feel like I'm just trying to provide an environment that feels less clinical actually, which I think is kind of funny because you know in school we were like taught like you have to be like really professional and like we're trying to be seen as like super legit and this field and and I you know, I kind of been like breaking the rules and that way because I'm like no it's like at my house and like I don't know like it's pretty intimate even though it is Community Acupuncture. I only work with two tables at a time. So like Yeah, it's a more intimate environment. I don't think I like no, I don't have like I don't know everything in terms of cultural competency, but I try to like be aware of those things. And yeah, I'm just like trying to make things seem a lot less scary and like clinical because I know that those environments are for seems like a lot of queer folks, you know, that's actually We really intimidating. Ironically. It's so funny because I just started I just got a Yelp page and so I've been getting more like, you know, like people from Yelp who don't necessarily identify as queer or like I had a couple come in at one point and like I could tell that they were actually disturbed by the fact that it was at my home and that it wasn't clinical because they were expecting that so I just I was like, oh, that's so funny because like what? Appeals to some is like a turn-off for others. So, you know, it's about like where people feel comfortable. Hmm. And also like I think it speaks to kind of like how certain people like clinical environments are set up to cater towards certain folks rather than others. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it sounds like you had to Go through this very formal training that you I guess I can I can also relate to this in the sense that you know going through a very formal training where a lot of were taught a lot about boundaries and you know, the way boundaries should look and thinking about the way that you work. You are still holding a tremendous amount of you know, like safety and boundaries Within a kind of just it sounds like just an environment that feels more accessible to people who don't typically find clinical environments accessible. Probably you don't either you know what I mean? I would imagine you kind of I don't know if you feel like this but it sounds like in some ways you've created the environment that you would want to be treated in. Absolutely. Yeah. Mmm, which Speaking of that. How do you how do you get Hard for you. Ha ha ha. That's a really difficult question. I well I've been trying I go to stat key puncture occasionally. I wish I went more because honestly, I had a hard time finding, you know, how when you like practice something you're like very like, you know, what's going on and you're like they're doing that thing. Like that's how I feel when I go to get so it kind of sucks because I can't like take myself out of the process and I I wish I wish that I could go back to time when like I could but yeah, I mean, I guess in New York I get honestly get a lot of massages. That's like something that feels really good for me and just recently like I said, I started going to aperture which was like that was a huge step for me because I hadn't been to like a doctor like a western doctor aside from getting like a physical examination and Planned Parenthood, you know every year I like really avoided doctors and and A suitable medications and like I was a big need for me to be like, okay, I'm going to do this and thus far I've felt really good about apertures diplomatic. And like I feel really lucky to live in New York City where there is more access to like trans health care and you know, and it's like covered by my insurance. I don't know. It's like pretty cool. Nice. I've been talking to other people, you know who are asking me about Like tea and they're like, oh, I can't even get AndroGel because I'm using the T Joe and they're like, I don't even think that they offer that as a an option where I live and like they had to go through this whole like procedure of like getting us Psychiatry or sorry a psychologist to like write a note and you know, I just like I just went in there and they're like, yeah you want tea and I was like, yeah sure. Yeah like it was very like I didn't even know I was going to do that that damn That I had like an idea and then I was like, yeah. Okay, let's go for it. But I don't know. So yeah, you have this huge smile on your face and in some ways I'm like thinking you know, that that that is such a good marker of like helpful attuned care is to be able to like open up possibilities for someone that they kind of like because of Of conditioning because of the world we live in like haven't allowed themselves to imagine. This is possible. Like you weren't kind of in a mindset where you're kind of like in a more constricted mindset or like maybe or you know, you hadn't really thought that this could be something for you or something for you right then, you know, we'll all my friends would tease me. They're like you're going to start to you when you go to heaven. I was like, I don't know. I just really want like Wellbutrin like we'll see and then when it's just like I know right it's just like I just Here, I don't know why I chose the trans clinic, but for the antidepressants like right? Yeah, but now I feel really like lucky to have that as a resource. Yeah. Yeah. Have you lived in New York for a long time or I moved in November 2016. Mmm-hmm. So yes, it doesn't feel like I've lived here very long, but time is Wait, I don't know. I feel like time is sped up. Hmm really get invested in this as a place that you appreciate. Yeah II think so. I definitely go back and forth. But the more that I'm here the more I'm like, yeah, I really I don't think I could. Find the things that you know, I New York has a lot to offer and you know, I think once you live here for a little while, it's really hard to go back or to go and buy back. I mean go somewhere else where there's just like must community and like whatever thing that you want to get involved in. Yeah. What are do you what are some of the things that are like pretty inspiring for you? about and I'm not trying to paint a picture of New York is like this, you know magical place in any way, but just, you know curious about what What aspects of your like queer life, you know, and your needs are met here. That might not be somewhere else, you know? Yeah. Well, I really feel like I let my freak flag fly in New York in a way that I definitely can't other places and it's it's really interesting because I do go back to North Carolina to visit and like each time. I feel like I'm getting more and more of a reaction, you know. like my physical appearance and you know, I identify as like kind of like Bushwick neutral because I certainly am like not like even near like as you know, how do I say it like freak freakish is like a lot of people but but yeah when I go back down sad that's like I'm like the weirdest thing around so, you know, it's not and I really like, you know, I think like the way that by dress and the way that I present is really important and being able to do that here has felt really liberating. There's a lot of trans people here. There's a lot of like weird people here and I don't feel again. I don't feel like I'm like though one solitary freak in a town, you know, or like one of like three, you know, so that's been really important to me. Unrelated to like queer identity. I also have been I started writing within the past since I've moved to New York and like there's definitely more Community around that here and just pretty much like any interests that you have. You're going to be able to find Community around it in New York. So that's really inspiring. I think you know I ask that just because they think there's so many ways that we can we meaning I or whatever we can complain about life in New York and but I do think there's something to this idea of you know, like identifying kind of what what is actually supporting ourselves our bodies in being in a place and the specificity of one's experience like the specificity of your like personal aesthetic or your personal like whatever it is about you. I think that's kind of what you mean by you know, like letting your freak flag fly, you know it I think there's so much I don't know if this is what your experiences I grew up in Missouri and so like when I've gone back it's almost as if and I'm this is not to say that there aren't like really cool interesting queer people in Missouri, you know that there's a way Like identity becomes kind of flattened out and Consolidated because there just aren't very many. There aren't as many options and you can't like develop these like very particular aspects of yourself and I think in some ways I've seen just in kind of like, you know getting to know you and seeing the way you work that even within your like professional life. There's there's so much like attention to Aesthetics and some of the things that you are that are really interesting to you that that are so specific in a way, you know that I don't know if that resonates for you definitely and I feel like I was told a lot, you know growing up or even in school that those things were that they couldn't come together. I guess like I had to Like kind of forego my sense of Aesthetics to appeal to like a greater audience or that my sense of Aesthetics was like threatening to people in a healing profession. But and also like it really kind of like discredits your ones this Aesthetics is being really integral to one's identity. And I find that like especially for queer people that that's very true. And so Oh, it's really I don't know. I am really I'm lucky that I get to live in New York because I don't feel like I have to subdue it as much as I have had to do in you know, the South or like living somewhere else and just being really unabashedly with like hey, this is like important to me in my identity how I present is like very important and it's not just like I feel like a lot of people want to dismiss it as just like vanity, you know, but I think that it's more than I am really yeah, I feel really lucky that you live somewhere where I can explore that more and it's okay. Yeah, I think you're I think one of the reasons I'm so kind of drawn to you is because I also work in like the kind of broadly healing and world and the Clinton like a clinical healing world where the idea of a kind of quote unquote. FedEx is also really sore streamlined and limiting right here like this. Like there's a lot of like aiming for neutral or you know, whatever and I think that there's something really lovely about the way you and this is mostly based on kind of how you have curated your you know, your Instagram, which is I think the main way you like sort of do your business but you know the way you carry it that it's like it It's very it's not neutral. It's not like clinically neutral. It's very much like you're showing with consent obviously, but you're showing like bodies and healing practices that are in some ways. They're very they're like, very provocative and really like, I don't know. Maybe you could talk a little bit about that. Yeah. Well, I mean, I feel like I I feel like I've broken a lot of rules. Way that I yeah showcase my work but it's been important for me because I think I think it's important to show different types of bodies and like not just have it be this like homogeneous. I don't know like stereotypically like white woman, you know, sis woman like I don't know Gwyneth Paltrow type, which I feel like is the type. That generally gets attracted to acupuncture at this point, you know, and I'm like, I like really resist that and like I'm very critical of it. So, I don't know I think that my Instagram is like impart me just like trying to push against that and you know, I get like I'm technically not really even supposed to show people's faces, but I get them to you know, what I've done to like make that Okay is to like I always get people to sign off and say that they're okay with being photographed. That's kind of like my way around that so I never you know, I always want to make sure that people are onboard and generally speaking people are really happy to be photographed and like feel good, you know, so but yeah, I've definitely had some people be critical of the way that I present Myself and I You know have had to just kind of like really trust that the way that I'm doing things like feels good for me. Yeah feels good for you. And also the people that are going to really stick with you and get something out of what you're offering are going to you know, that's I mean as a clinician I also feel that way. It's like we can only Like really truly be helpful. I think to the people who are who we kind of who we connect with in some way or who connect with our way of being and I think that there's something about you know, the way that you there's a kind of resistant resistance or kind of provocation in the way that you are. The way you're showcasing your work feels to me like you're saying if you are a Gwyneth Paltrow type and you want to come get acupuncture like this is what it's actually going to look like and you know, there's bloodletting or there's you know, there's there's a kind of like a rhotic - and I certainly don't mean to say that like it's, you know erotic meaning exactly what I'm saying, not like sexual necessarily, but just there's an erotic nature, too. To Healing like the body, you know to interacting with the body and to being careful with it and caring for it and you I I personally I mean, I really appreciate the the way that you are kind of giving us a glimpse of that and if that makes sense, yeah. Well, thank you. I mean, I think it's about intimacy to like and yeah something that I think about you because I do feel like you know the photos, huh? Have this like some of them can have this like erotic feel to them, but I'm also kind of pushing against the ideas that bodies are inherently like erotic just by being like exposed or it's like why is that? Oh, well, that's because of the way that like Society set up and like we like have to censor ourselves. So I don't know. I'm just kind of like that's an idea that I toy with a lot, you know, like really it's just someone's Tell me earlier no and but yeah, I mean it definitely like they're you know, I'm kind of playing with this those ideas. So yeah. Yeah, and I think that that's that kind of intimacy. I like what you're saying about about challenging like just that an exposed body like some version of an exposed body is is necessarily like sexual it, you know, but also I like what you're saying about just Kind of the intimacy of quote-unquote healing or whatever encounter the vulnerability in someone presenting themselves to you and how you don't know in some ways. It seems like you are really aware of those Dynamics, you know, you're very aware of the the kind of vulnerability with which someone comes to you. And so you're kind of exposing those Dynamics in a way right like that. I'm like this is what's actually happening and it's it's not bad. It's like this is it's sort of you know, I mean, it's in a way it like it references to me like the more explicitness of Kink and those Ideas are up being explicit about what's about to happen or what is happening? Totally? Yeah, so I guess you know, honestly this is about we're almost out of time and I guess the the last sort of question I have for you and then I'd love to hear about you know, how people can find you is if you could think back to that like, is there anything that you you knowing all the things, you know now like would like to Wish you could say or compel someone to do with that younger version of yourself. Gosh, that's really question I don't know. I mean, I think I would just try to be like hey, it gets better just like stick it out. It's okay what you're feeling and how you are you even if it's not something that you see in your day today. Hmm. Hmm. Tell the listeners how they can find you. Okay? Well, I guess the best way to find me is my I'm which is Yaro underscore medicine and I sometimes you know teach workshops in New York and I'm planning to kind of like cooking up a tour of the West Coast. Hopefully in the fall where I would like to swear with Gua Sha Workshop. Hmm. So yeah, definitely like stay tuned for that. Can you just Tell people what Gua Sha is. Okay. We'll go Asha is a technique that I use really super accessible and Hands-On and it resets the faccia. It breaks up lactic acid. So it's really great for like I use it mostly for upper back and neck tension, but it's also really good if you're it moves length, so if you're coming down with a cold you can kind of like nip it in the bud by using gotcha. And it's just like it's one of the I think it's something that I use on almost everyone and it's so like once you kind of learn the nuts and bolts of it. It's super easy. You don't need a lot of like special equipment to do it. So I like to teach that because I really like not only do I want my services to be accessible. But I want people to be able to you know, take that into their own hands and even their own healing practices. Has so yeah, that's something that I like try to do education around full. I love that. Yeah. Well great. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story with your story with me and their listeners. Yeah. Thank you so much for asking me to be Beyond. I really enjoyed these questions and just kind of like the rabbit holes that you got. Yeah. Well, thank you, Frankie. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Can I maybe maybe not? Maybe

Frankie opens up about their journey with disordered eating as a way to manage dysphoria and the things they are finding to assist with anxiety without extreme orthorexia. Their relationship to rigidity has evolved as a result of their study of Chinese Medicine along with giving themself permission to speak openly about their body’s experience. Frankie breaks all sorts of rules in the spirit of providing an open and safe environment for queer, trans and non binary patients. Frankie is an acupuncturist and herbalist with a focus on trans affirming health practicing out of Brooklyn. They offer a sliding scale for People of color, trans people and sex workers. You can find out more about their practice @yarrow_medicine on instagram. I hope you enjoy our conversation and find ways to support this podcast and the very important work Frankie is doing in the world. They speak about a NYC community health resource for trans healthcare: Apicha @apichachc  LITQB Podcast   This is a podcast about the barriers to embodiment and how our collective body stories can bring us back to ourselves. This is a podcast for people who identify as queer or for people who might think of their relationship between their body and confining social narratives as queer. This can feel like an isolating experience. Our wounded bodies need spaces to talk about struggles with nourishment/disordered eating, body image issues, dysphoria, racism, heterosexism, transphobia, xenophobia, substance use/abuse, chronic pain/disability, body changes in parenthood, intergenerational trauma, the medical/wellness/therapy industrial complex and its lack of inclusion of queer bodies and much more. Hopefully this podcast can illustrate the connections, and resonant pain points, that we have with one another. The Host   Asher Pandjiris Psychotherapist/ Podcaster/ Group Facilitator  Virtual Workshops available every month:  https://www.livinginthisqueerbody.com/virtual-group-workshop  SUPPORT https://www.patreon.com/livinginthisqueerbody     Music: Ethan Philbrick and Helen Messineo-Pandjiris   Audio Production: ganym3d3.com and https://talkbox.studio/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/asher-pandjiris/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/asher-pandjiris/support

This podcast is brought to you and made possible by generous financial aid from Peter kanzler K. Ay n z l-- e-- r-- you can buy his Amazon books at your favorite Amazon Branch, for example, the original texts of lock Hobbs and the US Constitution of Pennsylvania put together into one book for only $15. Thanks for listening. So I'm going to read something that the teacher wrote. In the first part of Beyond Good and Evil, which is a section called the prejudices of philosophers. and it's a really good example of the density of this book one of the ways of conceptualizing Beyond Good and Evil and I think this is true for most great works of it's true. Most great works is that the author of the work collects unconsciously collects patterns from his or her interaction with the world. And then gives them initial formulation. and the patterns can be deep and multi-level and the initial formulation translates them into not so much ideas as into the seeds of future ideas. And the more poetically author happens to be the more the case that his or her ratings contain within it the seeds of future ideas. And where the Romantic philosophers are authors and I think nee-chan. Dostoyevsky are in some sense foremost among them are particularly. notable further ability to do exactly that now in this particular paragraph this particular paragraph not only serves as an example of that but it also serves as a self conscious reflection on that because Nietzsche is writing a paragraph here that is full of the seeds of of ideas that will actually Bloom and flour to a great degree in the 20th century, but well, he symbol taneous Lee revealing these those ideas. He's also telling you exactly how he's doing it and how it is. The Philosopher's do it. So it's a it's a spectacular accomplishment. I'm going to read it probably phrase by phrase and then take it apart because it's so dense and Beyond Good and Evil is like that it's neat you when Nature is already Beyond Good and Evil. He wasn't very well. And because of that he had to spend a lot of time thinking and not very much time writing and because he was also brilliant Beyond Comprehension his ability to distill what he was thinking into incredibly Rich phrases. It's I think it's some sense. It's beyond parallel mean often if I'm reading a book if it has any utility at all market. Usually I fold over the top of the page or sometimes put a yellow sticky. Want to do if I find a place where there's an idea that's worth returning to that. That's it's particularly worth understanding and you can't do that with a book like Beyond Good and Evil because what happens up happening is you have to mark every sentence and obviously marking. Every sentence isn't any better than not marking any sentences at all. So I guess I also might as well tell you why it is worth bothering with a book like this at all because it's a very difficult book and it it's also the sort of book that will rattle you up. So neat you is very interested in the problem of value. And the problem of value fundamentally is not the problem of what is the world made of or even how does the world function which are more In some sense more specifically scientific questions, but how is it that you should conduct yourself in the world how should you act and people act towards AIMS in a sense because we're active creatures and we're moving from one point to another were moving towards things that we want and that means that we're Guided by our desires and we're not only Guided by desires insofar as we have individual desires were guided. I like the structure that consists of how those desires are related to one another. So for example, if you have a room full of people. Say a room full of children. They're active and they're each pursuing their individual desires. But at some point they may choose to organize themselves into a game and if they organized themselves into a game what they're doing for all intents and purposes is producing a little Society little micro Society within that MicroSociety. They're deciding what desires will be currently expressed and how they'll exist in relationship to one another and that means that they can cooperate without too much conflict and that Can jointly move towards a joint aim. without and and and gather all the benefits that might be associated with that and that might be the accomplishment of the aim whatever it is, but it also might be just the enjoyment that's to be had in the pursuit of that activity. Now people do that. socially because we have to do that in order to get along with other people because our desires have to be melded with those of other people but we also do in psychologically and those two things exist in a dance because as I'm interacting with other people The demands of the fact that we're interacting make require each of us to arrange our desires in a way that's acceptable to everyone else. But at the same time while we're doing that, we're also observing the process by which those desires are ordered and then we internalize that process and use that to order our own desires and this so there's a constant mutually informative dance between the individual and the group and the culmination of that is the organization of society and the Civil taneous organization of the psyche and it's that process that Nietzsche is talking about in these paragraphs. Now you might ask yourself. Well, what's the utility of articulating such things and conceptualizing them and understanding them and the answer in some ways is straightforward. If you don't want to run a foul of your own desires, you have to organize them. Because some of them are short term and some of them are medium term and some of them are long-term and some of the mainman this and some of the main meant that it isn't necessarily the case that those desires allow for Mutual fulfillment. So for example, maybe you're very interested in pursuing a sexual relationship with someone but you're also very interested in having a family and some stability in your life, or maybe you're interested in pursuing a sexual relationship with a whole sequence of people, but you're also interested in having Family and stabilizing your life. It's not obvious that those desires can exist in the same universe without producing what you might think about as war and some of that might be a psychological War but some of it's also going to be a war that actually occurs in the existence. Well, you're fighting through the contradictory consequences of wanting to pursue many people at 4 million a stable relationship with one person. Now part of the reason that you want to think about these sorts of things is because if you think about them and get your thoughts. And your value system. Intelligently and coherently and cogently laid out. Then when you act out that value system the world you're going to run into less conflict and less uncertainty and less misery and you're going to have a higher probability of getting what it is that you want. But you're also going to have a higher probability of getting what you want in a way that allows you to cooperate with other people without entering into too much conflict with them. And so in some sense the purpose that you think the reason that you think are the purpose of thinking is so that you can sort out how you're going to move forward in the world without having to directly run headlong into all the obstacles that you might run into if you were doing such a thing blindly. And so then you might ask yourself. Why would you bother reading philosophy or if the philosophy written by someone who's great and the answer that is that they can help you think these things through in a manner that you would not be capable of doing on your own, you know, because need shh, I mean it's difficult to estimate how intelligent Nietzsche was but I suspect he was perhaps one in a billion which would put him far beyond the 99.999% I'll and There's a massive difference between the ability of people to think as you move farther and farther out into the extremes of intelligence. And when you have the writings of someone who's one in a billion, then you can interact with those writings in the way that enables you if you put the time into benefit from the spectacular fact of that intelligence Nietzsche was a full Professor by the time he was 24 at the time and now he didn't even have to write his dissertation. They just made him a full professor at a time where that was that never happened. So this is what he has to say in the prejudices of philosophers that just the first chapter of the book Beyond Good and Evil. It is gradually become clear to me. What every great philosophy up till now has consisted of namely the confession of its originator and the species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography. Well, that's deceptive. That's a deceptively simple sentence even though it's not a particularly simple sentence because it stands on its head what people generally assume about the process of thinking. You generally think that when you're thinking you're thinking about as I mentioned before the structure of the object of world Nietzsche is is making an entirely different point here and what he's fundamentally doing is treating the philosopher not as a rational being but as a living being and there's a big difference between being a rational being and being a living being because if you're a living being your primary goal is to do whatever it is that furthers your life. And if you're a rational being then your primary goal is to do whatever it is that A rational being might do and you could say that a living being should first and foremost be a rational being and in some sense. That's the message of the of the western Enlightenment, but it's by no means self evident that that's the case and it's certainly not something that Nietzsche need. She doesn't believe that people are rational beings as certainly not primarily and more importantly. He isn't exactly convinced that they should be so so for example, one of Nature's most famous Maxim's is that Truth serves life and that's a very difficult different idea than the purpose of Truth. Say is the accurate representation of the objective World. Those aren't the same thing at all. Now you can ask. Well, what does it mean for truth to serve life? And if you construe truth that way what would truth look like and you know the mere statement that truth should serve life doesn't offer you the answers to those questions, but But it's the beginning of a different metaphysics and in some sense of metaphysics, which is say the universe within which a philosopher might offer eight. A metaphysics is the initial structure of presuppositions within which view of the world is organized. one presupposition might be human beings are rational and that were attempting to Formulate and improve our sense of the objective World our formulation of the objective world and another would be that he would beings aren't rational or irrational and that were what were motivated to do is to live whatever that means and that the purpose of our thinking and our philosophy should be to facilitate our living and that's Nietzsche's that's one of the foundation. blocks of Nietzsche's philosophy, so he's a moral philosopher fundamentally because morality is about values and values essentially values are You could say values are what you aim for but it's more complicated than that values actually constitute the lens through which you view the world. So it's partly what you're aiming at but it's also partly your conception of who you are now and where you are and it's also partly your conception of how you're going to get to where it is that you want to be and it's also partly the Psychological system that you use to parse up the world so that it reveals to you the pathway that you can take to get to what you want value is all of that and then it's more than that because you could say that you have a value. Which contains all of that, but then you can say that you have a set of values which is the arrangement of all of that and then you could say that you have a set of values. That's the range bit of all that that you have to arrange with other people and then you could say that you have all that and you have to arrange it with other people and you have to arrange it across different spans of time because what you want today and what you want next week and what you want next month are not necessarily the same thing and one does not necessarily lead into the other. So to be a moral philosophers to How that what that system is and how it operates and how it came about. Now. One of the things that need you says is it is gradually become clear to me what every great philosophy up till now has consisted of namely the confession of its originator and a species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography. So his claim fundamentally is that no matter what the philosopher thinks he's doing. Well, he's reading philosophy what he's actually doing is revealing and articulating his being And then you might say well where did that being come from? And the answer to that is well partly. It's you could consider it a biological function in so far as that, we have value structures that are built into us that are the process. We would say the process of a very long evolutionary history, but because you're also a cultural phenomena and because the manner in which you've arranged your values and your desires has been conditioned to the last degree by the process of enculturation. that you were subjected to when you confess in an autobiographical Manner and articulate that what you're also doing is we capitulating the entire structure of your culture. It's in you and you might say well, where is it in you and that and what does in you mean part of it means is that you act out a pattern of behavior and that pattern of behavior is like a dance that someone is manifesting to a symphonic score. It's unbelievably complicated and it has its psychological. And some of those are conscious and some of them aren't some of them are just implicit and embedded in the way you act and the way you perceive and what the philosopher is attempting to do is to reveal those to himself and to articulate them so that the entire structure can be analyzed. Also Nietzsche's first proposition is that when philosopher is thinking that what he's doing is not thinking it's revealing himself in an autobiographical sense under the guise of rational thinking and so then it becomes something more like a story. three and Well, and he covers all about in the first. Two phrases so that gives you some example some indication of what this book is like. a species of involuntary and unconscious autobiography Well, that's a more complicated idea to because you might say well, why would someone be driven in a number of involuntary way and an unconscious way to describe their autobiography and that's a very complicated question. It might be that one of the reasons that people value one. Another is because we Engage in the process of sharing deeply autobiographical information. You tell me your story and I tell you my story and you might say well, why do we even bother with such things in the answer to that as well? If you can tell me about the pain and tragedy that you've encountered then that gives me a better way of that gives me a better vision of the dangers of the world without actually having to expose myself to those dangers except in simulation. I might feel sorry for you. I might feel bad about your tragic. Riches, but I'm not bleeding for them. And then there's always the possibility that you'll also tell me how you solved your problem. In which case I can either avoid that problem entirely or if I do encounter. I can solve it without having to go through maybe it took you decades to formulate Your solution to that problem and you can tell me your story and then I have the information and so that's part of what human beings are always trading. That's why we talk to each other. That's why we can communicate and so Nietzsche would say well it's involuntary unconscious. Terry and unconscious, he's alluding to the fact that that proclivity is so deeply embedded in people that desire to to make an autobiographical recounting that It serves as the kind of motivation that we don't question for doing almost everything that we do so, you know, I mean people do such things as a 10 movies and plays and they usually do that happily, especially if the movie or the play is of high quality and the same thing happens when people are reading novels. They're attracted to such things. They have a built-in value and it's very rarely the case that people will ever question why it is that they're doing such things. In fact, you see this quite commonly with students who are first introduced to the study of literature the the introduction of the idea that you should Analyze what it is that you're engaged in when you're reading actually comes as unwelcome news to most people who are inclined towards fiction because they don't want to interfere with the process of Engagement, you know, automatic unconscious engagement with the material by detaching themselves at having to think about what they're doing. So that's why it's a nun involuntary an unconscious. It's it's it's one of the things within which thought operates rather than one of the things on which thought operates Then he says the moral or immoral purpose in which every philosophy has constituted. Sorry the moral or immoral purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown. Well, that's a hell of a thing to say to because what each is alluding to there in some sense is that The philosopher can't help and that would be in some sense. Also the person who's recounting their autobiography can't help but tell you what, they're up to even though they might not know and this is something that you own because you know was a Carl you'll know the site a psychoanalyst was a great student of Nietzsche and you own came to Believe that we all inhabited Stories the stories were the stories. We inhabit a garage Lee the structures of value within which we live and that those stories essentially have an ethic or a moral and then you can start thinking about what the ethics and the morals might be and you kind of have some sense of that because there's there's comedic stories and tragic stories and there's evil characters and good characters and so forth. Those are architect characters, but part of the point that Nietzsche's attempting to make here is that the philosopher is in fact, Aiming at something with his life with all of his actions. He might not even know what it is, but partly what he's doing in his attempt to philosophize is to articulate that in reveal it to himself and other people so then the question becomes well, what is it that the person is up to and I would say in some sense. That's the ultimate question. So meet you here in this paragraph. It is also dealing with the with the ultimate question in life, which might be well to what is your life aimed and you might say well it's not aimed at anything. It's I don't know. I don't seem to have any coherent set of beliefs. I don't know what I believe. I don't believe in anything even but that's not the case because if you didn't believe in anything you couldn't see You have to believe in something to be able to see because you point your eyes and things and you can't organize your vision without having a name. And so the very Act of interacting with the world presupposes an ethic and then all those micro ethics that you contained within you are organized into some sort of structure either badly or well and that structure roughly has a name and you might know it and you might not but that doesn't mean it isn't there. So, so another thing that needs he is alluding to is that you believe things. Whether or not you think you believe them in fact believing them and knowing you believe them aren't even the same thing. And so that people believe all sorts of things that they don't know about and that partly what they're doing when they're doing philosophy is to try to figure out what those things are. You know when you can also ask yourself. Well, where did they come from? Well, they partly came from you, but you you're an old thing. Your physical form is three and a half billion years old and you're the process of all that all the death and struggling that went along the entire course of that three and a half billion years is you carry that with you and then on top of that inside you is the consequence of the entire cultural history of complex life. That's all inside you too. And then on top of that some of that's articulated more or less some of its acted out dramatized. And infection and that sort of thing and then some of its articulated but there's way more at the bottom than is fully articulate. And so God only knows what you're up to and then you might say well who cares? Well, the problem with that is that you care because first of all, that's the definition of caring and second of all that determines the way that you'll move through your life and everything that happens to you that's good or evil or good or bad is going to be a consequence of the station of that ethic in the world So now Nietzsche's saying something else do what he says the moral or immoral purpose in whichever in the moral or immoral purpose in every philosophy has constituted the true vital germ out of which the entire plant has always grown. He's saying that the philosopher can't help but reveal his a team in his writings and then he's saying something else which is that Ian might be malevolent. And you know modern people aren't very comfortable with ideas like malevolence because malevolence is an idea that's related to evil and modern people think of themselves as Beyond Good and Evil to some degree. They don't believe in the reality of those Concepts. And of course in this book teaches also questioning are at least already Prairie presuppositions about what good and evil are but that doesn't mean that he doesn't believe that they don't exist. That doesn't mean that he doesn't believe that they don't exist. Yes, I guess that's I guess that's right. You know, this is one of the things I thought about when I was thinking about when I thought about how Hitler died now Hitler died. Hitler committed suicide in a bunker underneath Berlin when Europe was in flames and so one conclusion that a psycho analytically minded historian could derive from that is that's what he wanted. right and then that opens up an entire vast nest of snakes because one of the things that you might ask is well, how is it that someone would desire the first of all could that even be desired is that actually something that anyone could even desire Then you might ask. Well, why is it that someone would desire that and then the next thing you might ask is if a human being could desire that and hit there was a human being then exactly. What does that say about you? And you might say well I could never desire such a thing but following along the train of the argument that we've been laying out just like what makes you think you're a reliable judge of what it is that you're up to. So, okay. So now we've unpacked three sentences and we'll continue on with the same paragraph. indeed to understand how the most abstract metaphysical assertions of a philosopher have been arrived at it is always well and wise to first ask oneself. What morality do they or does he aim at so what the question is? What's the person up to? well There's an entire nest of snakes underneath that sentence that's sequence of propositions as well. And one of them is well, what does it mean that people are up to something? What does it mean that they're aiming at something? Accordingly I do not believe that an Impulse to knowledge is the father of philosophy, but that another impulse here as elsewhere has only made use of knowledge and mistaken knowledge as an instrument. But whoever considers the fundamental impulses of man with a view to determining how far they have here acted as inspiring now. This is why this is going to require editing you would so complicated to go through. Accordingly I do not believe that an Impulse to knowledge is the father of philosophy. But that another impulse here is elsewhere has only made use of knowledge and mistaken knowledge as an instrument. All right. So let's take that apart accordingly. I do not believe that an Impulse to knowledge is the father of philosophy. So one of the claims I suppose this would be an Enlightenment claim is that people do have a drive to knowledge and that that drive is in fact what underlies the production of such things as philosophy? but need to questions that because he's trying to bring us back to consideration of the fact that you can't separate the Philosopher's mind from the Philosopher's being is first and foremost a living creature and the he's up to something and the question is what is it that he's up to and so you can see the earliest manifestations in a paragraph like this of what later developed into deconstructionist thought and that that was The French Continental philosophers who pursued that particular line of reasoning and it is derived exactly from this kind of statement by Nature. So for example, someone like Derrida would say It doesn't matter what the content of the text is. What matters is that the text can be used as tool for power and that whether the person who wrote the text knew it or not. That's what they were doing and they were doing it in the weight of privilege themselves above other people and that's really I would say the fundamental deconstructionist claim and it's a powerful claimants and utterly corrupt claim, but it's a really powerful claim and it's related directly to the sorts of things that need you was referring to in this paragraph. What is The person's truly up to now the problem with the deconstructionist claim is that it's an it's an open invitation to cynicism to thoughtless cynicism. I can just make the presupposition that whatever it is that you're telling me. You're you're telling me merely to dominate regardless of what it is that you claim to be do it. Well the problem with that approach is that It's predicated on the implicit assumption that the only value that people actually have is the value 2 is the desire to dominate and of course that's a purely like that could be the case. And I also think that it's even reasonable to posit that to some degree that it is the case but to take that from a contributing factor and to make that the highest God because that's essentially what the deconstruction is. They're doing those are entirely different things and you have to beware of people. take a single causal element and elevated to the stature of single comprehensive cause you know, it's more reasonable to assume that people are complex in their motivations and that many different strands of biological and cultural motivation are in some sense primary. And then what happens is that they come together to we the kind of tapestry rather than to make the automatic assumption that you can reduce the entire set of human motivations to a single principle like that of power. Now, you know, I would say neech is also responsible to some degree for the She was claimed that its power because one of his most famous utterances was that the fundamental motivating force in life is the will to power but he wasn't so much because nature is a subtle thinker. He wasn't so much attempting to reduce human motivation to power. He was attempting to redefine what it was that we conceptualized as power. Whereas that isn't what the deconstructionist certainly get all because fundamentally their marxists and they leave that, you know, they've ensconced themselves within an economic Viewpoint where within a philosophical Viewpoint where economics is Paramount and we're all that matters is power construed as socio economic domination fundamental, you know, and that's in turn is embedded in metaphysics that's even deeper which is a metaphysics that presumes that people are fundamentally materialist and all of those things are quick, you know, all of those things are questionable So I'm going to skip ahead a little bit of the paragraph. when Nature talks about the motivations of you might consider them. People who are working in the middle ranks of bureaucracies, whether their scientific or otherwise, so they're in some sense acting as cogs in a particular machine. And so that's what he's describing here and says, In the case of Scholars or in the case of really scientific men. It may be there may really be such a thing as an Impulse to knowledge some kind of small independent Clockwork which when well wound up Works away industriously to that end without the rest of the scholarly impulses taking any material part there in the actual interests of the scholar. Therefore are generally in quite another Direction. It is the family or in money-making or in politics. It is in fact almost indifferent at what point of research This little machine is place and whether the hopeful young worker becomes a good philologist. Someone who studied the origin of words a mushroom Specialist or a chemist. He's not characterized becoming this by this. He's not characterized by becoming this or that Nietzsche's point they're fundamentally. Is that even when you do analyze people who in whom? The will to knowledge might actually be offered even though he would be willing to granted the status of highest motivating power that even in those people where that Wilton always does exist. The probability that that is in turn subordinated to some other principle that's higher in the value hierarchy is very very high and it's hard to tell exactly what that additional principle might be. But he points out such things as well. Maybe they're primarily interested in serving the interests of their family. Or they're probably only interested in making money or maybe they're primarily interested in status and maybe they're interested in status status becomes it because it makes them more sexually attractive and that sort of thing. So, but the The question of what is it? That's lurking in the background is always Paramount. So another detour in this particular paragraph Whoever considers the fundamental impulses of man with a view to determining how far they may have here acted as inspiring Gene. I Or as demons will find that they have all practiced philosophy at one time or another and that each of them would have been only too glad to look upon itself as the ultimate end of existence and the legitimate Lord over all of the other impulses. That's a another like Beyond Good and Evil to think of it as a book is a really foolish. Framework because this is what a book. Is when people think about a book no, it's like a material entities. It's 8 inches high and 6 inches wide and 2 inches thick and weighs a pound and it's made out of paper and it's between two two covers, you know, and that's a materialist. That's the a priori sort of axiomatic view of a book Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil isn't a book at all. It's a series of bombs. And each sentence is a ball and each sentence blows things up that people don't even know exist. And so one of the things that this sentence for example, here's how he's conceptualizing you and being so the first thing he talks about is that the fuck there are fundamental impulses of human beings. Okay, so that thing's a questions. Well, what do you mean by impulse? And what do you mean by fundamental? And both of those are extraordinary complicated problems. So an Impulse you can think of an Impulse. Is it drive you could think about it as biological Instinct. You could think about it as a name or a goal you could think about it as an act of will like there's there's endless. Questions that hang off that question, but we can start with the idea that we perhaps can't Define it, but we are willing to go with the proposition that people do have impulses and I think maybe that's manifest to you more most particularly when you're attempting to do something voluntarily and something involuntarily interferes with that, you know, so maybe you're sitting down too. To try to get some work done in the work is not of any particular intrinsic interest, but you regarded as necessary, you know necessary element in some higher order scheme. And so you're attempting to organize yourself. So you will in fact concentrate on that particular relatively mundane activity, but what you find when you sit down to actually engage in that is you can't do it. You have to go do the dishes or you have to clean under the bed or you have to have a sexual fantasy or you or there's some other Anything that you could do this useful, but that you would normally do that. You'll go do instead or that you fall asleep or that you get hungry or like there's an endless number. Let's call them impulses that might arise to interfere with your conscious movement forward. Well exactly. What are those things? While nature certainly conceptualizes the human being as a place where those things live. And he does be lived to because it wouldn't refer to them as deep demons or or Genies without introducing the metaphorical conception of something that lives and so partly what needs to reveals in those senses is that he conceptualized as a human being as the dwelling place of spirits. And some of them are Genie. Let's say that's the root word of genius. That's the terribly powerful thing that exists in the terribly small compartment right that you have to call forth and some of them are demons and demons are things that have their own autonomous will and the generally aren't aiming for the good So then so those are all things need she just lays out as implicit parts of the sentence. So we activates all those ideas whether you know it or not in your mind to the degree that you process the sentence and those things start to take on life of a row of their own those ideas. so then he adds another dimension of complexity did that by saying? Well, you're full of demons and and geez and they're all doing their own thing. Whatever that happens to be. But each of them if left to their own devices would attempt to remake the entire world in there. form and so I thought of this. from from a narrative point of view or from a symbolic point of view in Old stories and folk tales and fairy tales you often have cyclops one-eyed Giants and there's a sexual connotation to that. Which is which is our proposed that the psychoanalysts would would certainly point out. But the one I idea is that this thing is gigantic and wants one thing and so that's another way that Nietzsche is conceptualizing the fundamental. Structure of the human psyche. It's a Dwelling Place full of One-Eyed Giants and they're constantly while one thing one way of looking at is they're constantly at War one of them wants to be the largest one-eyed Giant and dominate everything else then one of the things that so need to take that argument further and he says not only is this always happening in human beings, but that if you look at philosophy what it is is it's a continual revelation of the attempt of some singular. minded psychic monster psychological monster to dominate the entire psychological structure than her for the entire cultural structure and therefore the entire world and then you can you can see in that the entire religious structure struggle of mankind to take this vast polytheistic vision of reality and to organize it into some sort of monotheistic and integrated structure, which Which you could also consider indistinguishable from the civilizing the impulse that operates in human beings to become civilized because on the one hand it might be a terrible thing that one one-eyed monster emerges to attempt to dominate all the others, but then on the other hand, there's no difference between that organizing something because to organize something is to bring it all into a hierarchical structure with some sort of singular value at the for. From and then the question might be what what should that singular value B and then Nietzsche would baptize of the whole argument back into the first census that he wrote at the beginning of the paragraph which is well. What is it that the Philosopher's up to? What is the force that he's serving? What is the unifying impulse? That's another way of looking at it if there's a unifying impulse and he's not only Fallen prey to some internal demon if there's a unifying impulse to bring all of this together into some sort of functional structure what exactly might that look like For every impulse is imperious and as such attempts to philosophize that's part of that sort of Nietzsche's idea of Will To Power in its nascent form all of these. Unconscious entities that inhabit the human psyche are all alive and they're trying to live they're trying to they're trying to climb up the dominance hierarchy and dominate because of course, that's partly what life does because let's say from an evolutionary perspective. And this is probably more true for males because they're less. effective in their attempts to replicate the distinction between climbing up a dominance hierarchy, whatever that might happen to be and success is there may be no distinction at all. And then you might say well that just shows that there's nothing but will to power but that still doesn't answer one of the most fundamental questions is that Power in relationship to what because that's the question. Okay, so you can shut that off. 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Bello fiends welcome to another terrifying and delectable episode of nightmare on film Street the horror podcast with zero credibility, but all of the blood ghouls and Gore your puny heart can handle let's give a grave Welcome to our hosts John and Kim. Hello again fiends and welcome to this micro stowed of nightmare on film street. I'm Kim. I'm John and this week. We are catching you up on all of the horror happenings at Nightmare On Film Street and in the horror world as well as giving you the heads-up on next week's films for the podcast. Yeah. Next week's episode is called handheld Horrors. Hmm. And as you may remember or already know this month is found-footage month that I know FS podcast, so I think you could probably guess what two movies we're going to be talking about but I'll give you a hint. Okay, this is I'm not giving you this. Let me see if I can figure this puzzle know the episode. So the hint is this is I've been our most requested episode of all time these two movies together use a few movies together. We have had a lot of messages about doing these two movies and I would bet that you guys could guess especially with it being found footage month that we weren't going to go without giving it to you. So we'll announce those. Two movies at the end of the mini episode in a couple minutes, but right now John what's keeping you creepy. Well as I'm sure you know, Kim Rob Zombie drop know you're supposed to go and clean. That would have been great. All right, Rob Zombie drop the trailer for three from Hell after a I don't want to say like I'd like a highly-anticipated like, oh my God, when's it gonna happen countdown? Because it was literally like hey seven days. It's coming and like every day I go on Instagram like six more days trailer. I'm like, yeah, I'm here. I'm waiting don't worry, but then you trailer teaser trailer just a little taste of what the movies gonna look like. I haven't seen it. It's pretty Bare Bones. It's what I heard I heard there's not a lot revealed in it so much so that Rob Zombie took to Facebook the other day and he answered a few of the top questions. Like one thing he confirmed is that it takes place after The Devil's Rejects. Mmm, so, I we can only assume that At that Freebird scenario was either like a dream sequence or wasn't as fatal as it very much looked. Yeah, but yeah, so I got to imagine like Texas the the Texas public hates these people so fucking much that they weren't letting them die on the road like no we're Reviving them and we're putting them through jail for Justice right? Like that's gotta be it. Well, they got to be heading to the electric chair. That's got to be the fight like it's got them breaking out. I'm going to assume Big part of the movie for sure very into I'm very very I am really hoping it's got the Devil's Rejects vibe to it because I don't know how you could go back from there. It was such a wonderful and Perfect movie, but I'm very excited if you're into soundtracks and scores waxwork has announced that they are doing all three films. They are on pre-order remastered soundtracks for Devil's Rejects house 1000 Corpses and three from hell and they've released a preview. You can listen to the first three tracks. They posted them on Soundcloud. We posted them on our site so you can find them at NFS podcast.com. I'm really pumped for that. If I had the money, they would already be on their way to me, but we'll talk but I mean also we were expecting this movie. Maybe October just based on Rob Zombie talking about it coming in the fall based on Rob Zombie being Rob Zombie, right? If you really hate Rob Zombie's got a new movie coming out what month you think it's gonna be like, I don't know maybe October. Possibly possibly October it's coming out in September now, which is great fingers crossed for like a weird Tiff Midnight Madness pre-screening. I would love to get one of them. I think it's probably just gonna go up like VOD Select theaters immediately. I don't think it's gonna have a festival circuit. I don't know Rob Zombie does everything himself really and it is very much a he does all of his marketing which you know, I love I think it's really cool and fun and it's directly to his audience and fans, which is pretty cool. Cool for like a rockstar turned filmmaker to do so, I don't know is he is he going to go the film festival route? Your right is probably going to be a direct VOD. Maybe he'll premiered on something like shutter do like a midnight for me or something. Yeah. I mean like they still have a pretty good little corner notched out for 31 and like there's lots of bonus material available for that. But yeah, like I also love how Scrappy his marketing is because he can just Target everybody like just Instagrams. I guess who's starring on my movie today? Yeah, like okay now. Article. Yeah, exactly. Like he doesn't necessarily have to have a PR department. He probably has some people helping him out with it, whatever but like while he was on tour with Marilyn Manson dude was like bringing around a promo real of three from hell so like that and not that I was going specifically to see that I like it wasn't it was a huge part. It was great. So amped up to see that. It was amazing. I cannot wait to see this movie other news sadly Swamp Thing has been canceled. So we are only going to be getting 10. Episodes of Swamp Thing that premiered a couple weeks back on DC's New streaming platform DC Universe, is that right? I think so and they had announced the cancellation right after the first episode aired. I haven't even had the chance to check out the series our contributor Grant has been loving it. He's been doing Recaps every week at Nightmare on Elm Street, like silently like nudging HBO on Twitter like hey, you guys want to maybe rescue this fucking show? I think his name on Twitter right now is hashtag free Swamp Thing. Yeah, but James Wan doesn't even know why they're yeah, James one was saying that he that everybody worked so hard it was kind of cursed from the start. They had some issues but this the Practical effects look amazing and it sounds like they've got a really great story built. So hopefully somebody like Netflix can come and rescue it because I really like to see this series Live to its full potential like it was originally supposed to be 13 episodes. They smooshed it down to 10 and now it's it doesn't get any more than that, which is really sad. Sad for like a passion project. Yeah, especially when the people been looking forward to yes, I can guarantee you it's not going to Netflix though. So I mean and I would be also I would also be surprised if it was going to HBO mostly because Marvel owned by Disney Disney has their own streaming platform not gonna fucking it all this ownership stuff sucks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, hey, there's more of it more content available to stream but one last news tidbit before we get into our own announcements Are You Afraid of the Dark series a limited? Series is coming to Nickelodeon. I don't know if you've heard but I just shouted it. I'm very pumped Are You Afraid of the Dark of course was a 90 series that first premiered in Canada on YTV, and then it was essentially syndicated everywhere to every 90s kids basement TV coolest intro ever. Yeah, it was supposed to be released in tandem with the film in October, but the film has since been pushed back but the series hasn't so we are still getting some are you afraid of the dark enough? October it's a limited run. So I think it's only a few episodes. I'm sure though with a crazy warm reception. They'll definitely consider doing more. So make sure you keep your ear to the ground on that because it's a very very excited man this year like Are You Afraid of the Dark stuff scary stories to tell in the dark stuff? I'm very very excited. So in the future Streep stuff is coming to oh, that's true. Yeah bunch of those movies coming. I mean, there's it chapter two, you know, obviously, but I mean like you don't you don't need to tell people you're looking forward? Everybody knows you're looking forward to it some nightmare news. We have two giveaways going on right now. You can win a blu-ray combo digital All That Jazz copy of us. 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No, of course, we thank our patrons, so So much for their continued support this wouldn't happen without them Nightmare on Elm Street is a listener-supported podcast. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you to our patrons. We love you. We have some fun stuff planned for you this month also patreon listeners. We recently had a poll going asking you which movie you would rather have us do our monthly bonus episode on either Annabelle comes home or Child's Play. They're both being released this month. And typically we only do the one drive home from the drive-in review episode, but You know Godzilla came late. It's available to everybody for free and I thought this was supposed to be your fucking club. So surprised we're gonna do to drive home from the drive-in reviews this month. We're covering both Annabelle comes home and child's play as a huge. Thank you from us to you for your continued support. I can't wait to see both movies. Child's Play seems really interesting. Annabelle comes home has a whole lot happening. I'm ready for some spooky monsters. I'm actually really excited that it's good. Fun. I hate very pumped and a you know, what if you're not necessarily huge on The Conjuring extended Universe. Just remember one little thing directorial debut of Gary Doberman screenwriter of it and everything coming out this year seems to have his name on it. Oh, yeah, if you've seen a horror movie in the making a multiplex theater, he wrote it now this is that's just how it works now, but enough of the news enough announcements, let's talk about what we're going to to talk about next week on Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah, so you've probably already guessed it. I think it's pretty obvious. We are talking about 2 of Kim's favorite movies to favorite found footages. That's right also to my favorites and one that like, we definitely own a few copies of this movie on VHS several and another one that I think we should bootleg onto a blank VHS tape. Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah next week. We are talking about 1999's the Blair Witch Project and 2007's. Activity surprise. Those are our handheld Horrors. You almost sounded like you were announcing like a monster truck event. Like hey handheld horror. Yeah scared. Hey scared is cares day Thursday, but that episode will be dropping in your feed on Thursday until then check out Godzilla check out last week's episode. If you haven't you can find us. On Twitter if you want to chat with us a 1000 FS podcast, we also have individual Twitter's but who knows what those are and in the Facebook group, which I totally said earlier so I'm not going to say it again. But until next time I'm Kim, I'm John stay creepy. It appears. You made it out alive just long enough to tell the tale of The Nightmare on film Street. Wow. Help us grow The Horde leave a review on iTunes or wherever you subscribe continue. This week's conversation on Twitter by following @n o FS podcast. 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Boys and girls, welcome back to the inspiration space. I'm extremely excited to release this episode today. I've been waiting Parliament this week on holiday been absolutely amazing for my mindset. I really listened to it twice over because it is that good it is with Mark Bowden if you Heard of Mark Bowden I strongly suggest you going to watch his Ted Talk all about winning body language. That is what this podcast is about as well. Obviously, I'll leave it in the show notes. I've become absolutely obsessed with Mark's work and everything that he speaks about. I came across this Ted Talk a couple of months back and it is honestly changed the way I view so many things business personal interactions people around me. Honestly. I can't walk into a situation now. Not not see and think about body language it is so so important. So yeah guys, if obviously I love all my podcast but specifically over the last couple of months. This one had a massive impact on me loved every second of it. So glad to have got the chance to speak to him. I'm massively appreciate it the guy works with top-level CEOs all over the world the fact that he came and spoke to me on Skype is a massive Testaments. That's kind of guy. He is really amazing amazing, man. And I look forward to hopefully speaking to him further in the future about everything body language orientated guys. Listen to this. It's awesome. If you haven't given me a five-star of you yet. What are you waiting for man or woman? It's it's a good show. You know, I want to get more guests like Mark on it and because I'm getting all these fantastic ratings and reviews means I can carry on to do that. So if you have another time to do so please guys would be really really really Girls it would be really great. If you could hope you're having a wonderful week guys get stuck into this. It's awesome. First of all, thank you so much for taking your time. I know I was very persistent. But over the last two months or so your work is really really had a significant impact. So I was really desperate desperate is the right word to kind of get you want to thank you so much for that. I'm very very happy to join you. So you're based in Toronto. I am yeah, you you have been ever been to Toronto. So my father does a lot of work in Toronto. My father's been in show business since for about 60 years. So, you know, he brings show's over to the to the Mirvish Theater consistently for the last 50 years. So, it's not your dad is Paul Elliott. Who's your dad? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah for sure silver fox. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's great. So, yeah, he's bought a whole bunch of stuff over. Yeah good on it. And I understand you've well now it makes sense. I listen to a another podcast you've done recently with Michael port and so you've obviously come from a theatrical background directing and producing as well for sure for sure. So a lot of the work that I that I do comes from that background of understanding, you know, what you need to do this side to get other people to experience what you want them to experience amazed. I mean that kind of leads me onto my first question really is how you kind of got into the field be a background on yourself and really how you've managed to have such a prolific impact in the field of you know, winning body language. Yeah sure. So so I started out in this area just being fascinated by human behavior and animal behavior originally and just how how organisms move and the effect that they have I got into pictures are and I'm talking about when I was a kid and a student and you know visual art and how that affects the world around us and affects our perceptions and then into Theater Arts really specifically movement and theater and visual theater and how we tell stories with pictures and how those pictures affect our imaginations and behaviors and then it kind of started transforming into politics and business and I I found that in the world of politics and business there was quite a low level of understanding in terms of how images that we create affect the outcomes of people's behavior. So I found I was pretty Adept in that area. Nobody had my skill level there. Nobody would really applied that skill level to business and politics and so kind of here I am today written four books on human behavior and body language and I speak and work all over the World train people all over the world up to you know, G7 prime minister's the the yeah CEOs of Fortune 500 on how to use their nonverbal Behavior their body language to stand out to win trust and gain credibility every time they speak amazing site. So how's your understanding kind of develops along the way? I mean, was there a course in this or was this kind of exposure through like you said your background and seeing humans perform. Hmm. Yes. So yeah, my my experience and understanding has developed its developed through working some core content some core ideas that have not developed at all because they're they're totally caught to us being human beings. They're really they're never going to change. They're never going to change in my lifetime anyway, and and I don't see, you know, given our progress our Evolution as human beings. I'm pretty much saying nothing's Change, you know for the next 200 thousand years and if it does change within the next two hundred thousand years there would have to be a radical environmental change for for for any adaption in us as human beings. So nothing is going to change for us at that core of how we humans behave but how an understanding of that behavior can be applied yet. Absolutely. I you know through working with clients all over the world and You know different businesses different environments you get a much broader idea of how you can help people. Absolutely. I mean, I mean, I'll refer to your Ted Talk which I've watched probably 15 20 times now and it's funny good when a little bit of background on me. I own a gym in Oxford Circus and Central London and it's all yeah class class trains his group training. So the Big Bay see what it's all about. It's about creating experience and environment that sort of inspires them to kind of get the most out of Selves and I mean I've been watching pantomime since I was three years old, so I know it's funny like it took me about a year to realize actually what we were doing was panto because you're right you're kind of up in front of them. You're breaking the fourth wall you're engaging with them and it's when I watched your Ted Talk and support my point. I'm ranting now is the fork if you could talk through the four categories, but essentially what my job is to try and do is trying to Getting into the category of friend. Yeah, and so it's very important that whatever body language I'm doing which I wasn't really aware of what I was doing. I learned it from panto and that was just a few pure environment pure, you know how somebody moves around the stage with conviction and confidence and you know, I've seen the very best, you know, Brian Conley and you know, yeah, I've seen these guys from a young age and I think it was almost like mr. Miyagi than away. You know what I mean? Right? Right, right. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So so let's just touch on that thing that you're talking about their of moving with confidence across the stage that for me is something about directness that you look at a human being and you go. Okay. They know where they're going I can predict where I think they're going. Oh, they're going there. Okay, there are very predictable person and when somebody becomes predictable for us, they become a low A risk for us or an opportunity for us. So let's just say look. There are two categories that we put people into based on on their human behavior their body language. There's either risk or reward and I break that down in that Ted talk into friend enemy potential mate and indifference and essentially, you know, friend and potential mate is reward and and and predator and indifference is Risk, essentially, so so the brain is looking at nonverbal Behavior as its best bet on how it's going to predict the future with that other human being we come into contact with each other and the Brain goes. Well, how's this going to work out? And it's the same whether you're watching a show on stage or your their one-on-one in a meeting with somebody or you're running, you know, a fitness experience for people everybody's Looking at you and going well, how's this gonna work out? Because the brain doesn't know because it doesn't know the future is having to make a prediction. One of the things that can make a prediction about is the Rhythm and directness with which you move. So if you look like you don't know where you're going your body doesn't know what it's doing the brain looks at that and goes. Yeah. Well then, how are we going to work out whether this is even going well or not if So so these fundamental things so when we when we take this down into say politics or business we go. Well, how do we know we've got a leader in the room? Well a leader has followers by you know, by by dint of being a leader the leader must have followers. Well then how do you get followed where you get followed by first of all being follow herbal, so, you know, so we've Got it. We've got to be able to follow the movement in order to know whether we could follow that person and they could be the leader and it's that belief in what they're doing. I mean, I was finally some of the trainer's that I've had over the past that it hasn't quite worked out. It's because I feel like there's that that self-doubt of their internal mind creeps into their body language somehow and they kind of lap that conviction and I See it directly in the people that are watching him and I can see that he's lost he or she has lost them in an instant and and they're on their phones and they're light and they're passive and and it's different to the ones that I know of got it and they've got that conviction and they and people are just so engaged and the experience it creates the experience and it's an ever since I watched your Ted talk. I've just like I'm a mind boggled by the whole the whole thing and how a few simple things which I'm going to ask you about in a second. He's doing such a significant impact. So I mean in order to get somebody on side. Is there any coffee there are there are a couple of characteristics couple of movements that are world world known to kind of get you in that category. Yeah, for sure. So it's very very simple. It's just your first thing you want to look for is is open body language sure justjust open you're doing it now in your conversation with me. I'm doing my best to do it with you. But you'll see it every down again from me is that I'm very clearly going look I'm open to this and one of the ways to describe it is is thinking about when you when you come in from a cold day into a into a home or a or a or a pub or a bar or and then they've got a roaring fire going. You know, what do you have to do with your body to accept the warmth of that think about those behaviors of how you need and where are you have to open up in order to get that warmth again? And where do you want the warmth? Well, you know you want you want the warmth into your chest area your stomach area under these armpits here. So you start it's almost like an embracing sense and now so the second part of that is our you maximized or minimized in that so there's there's me there's me kind of minimizing my my openness and there's Really maximizing my openness now think about go back to that panto idea that you've got there. Think about the the pantomime Dame. Okay. And in fact one of my fact my best friend guy called Sean Prendergast was voted. I think two years ago the Britain's best pantomime Dame and that's probably seen Sean. Yeah and what you know when you see Shawn perform the pantomime Dame and I think you'll see this in All the dames that you've seen it's a big all-embracing mother. It's like somebody who could hug the whole audience and bring that whole audience, you know into their bosom essentially fighting, you know, it's totally totally inviting. It's very though. It's powerful and strong. It's non-aggressive to the audience and it's all encompassing and all inviting. It's He warm to the to the audience and very maximized. I mean the costumes are you know, buffoonery. They're super maximize, you know, so but obviously, you know in business and politics and anything else that you might be be doing to create business relationships. You probably not looking for that buffoonery maximization, but you're usually looking to push beyond your usual maximization or certainly Lee not minimize so think about cold Behavior, whereby you know, I'm going to now, you know, try and warm up my neck here and warm up my my chest by hugging myself this kind of self soothing gesture. You can see how it's starts to minimize my body as well. So you think about your trainers who are coming into the space when they walk into that space. Are they already maximized or can you feel And see some minimisation in them your audience are going to look at that immediately and go. Well. How's this class going to going to go? And of course the thing is is this is not conscious for them. They don't show up to a class going. Well, let's look out for the maximization or minimization of the trainer. That's what's incredible about it. Right? Right. It's it's it has a profound effect on their judgment about the experience. That's Coming and they don't know how that judgment is operating or even that they're being fed this judgment. They just believe that the Judgment they have is the truth and it isn't necessarily the truth. It isn't necessarily what's happening in that person's head that person may feel very confident about the class that's coming. It's just their body has Isn't projecting that even it may be projecting it a little bit but not enough. So sometimes you go to amplify this just as a stage performer would amplify, you know, a good Dame is amplifying the warmth that they naturally had overtaken all the max. I'd almost like obviously and we'll probably get onto you know Arabians. You know concepts of 93% of it is 93% of communication is nonverbal, which I just find is an astonishing figure considering, you know, people probably naturally think that the importance of verbal communication is obviously very very very important. But it but it's true like his so many like I know I keep referring to the gym, but like I mean, like I said, I've watched shows for years and years specifically pantos because I used to go and watch them all up and down the country but the amount of errors Errors that are made in these performances, but people get away with it because of that exuberance and and confident flow Jamie and I how it like Ryan and it's what my dad's always said. He said, you know, whatever happens is meant was meant to happen. But you know, you're asked the or you ask the audience and they would never say they would never pick up on these errors or mistakes in the script simply because the body language carries the whole the whole the whole perform as a whole the whole experience, which is well. Also, I think to that, you know people aren't looking for Perfection. They're looking for Charisma. They're looking for an experience and that experience is not necessarily ever one of perfection or fact or they're looking for something more wonderful and it doesn't matter whether it's a it's show business or business or Fitness or anything. They're looking for a wonderful. Earrings, which doesn't can be related to Perfection of fact, but it doesn't have to be Perfection and and fact fact, sometimes it's better if it isn't. Yeah, it's sometimes nicer. You know, somebody once said to me, you know, don't let the cold dead hand of Reason spoil a good story. You know, don't let fact spoil something really good. I think the thing is is that it all of us in this area of heightened communication, whether it's whether it's the the Theater Arts or the art of communication or the art of engaging people and engaging their bodies into a into a into a performance and exercise that will take them to another level. It's really the art of reminding people that they're alive sheets really that that art of going. Hey look, You've got a body you're alive right now really really, you know experience this thing being alive right now now to to that point of 93 3% what Moravian was saying around that in the experiments that he did is that is that the information that our brain needs in order to make a judgment about somebody else's feeling in intention. The majority of the information we want is visual. We want to see a picture and Ahh moving picture and a context some of the information we want is Sonic is the sound of their voice the tonality of their voice and very little of it. Only seven percent is what they say. So when we're in a communication with somebody else and and our brain wants to make a judgment and it does want to make a judgment. It's not very concerned with what you're saying. It's more concerned about what you're doing and how you're sounding. Emotional content the intentional content of it and if the intentional content is different from the from the the verbal content. It discards the verbal content. It just goes that's not that's not the fact the fact is how I'm feeling and intending how I think I feel about you. That's the most important thing. So I'm Arabian was never saying, you know, just to clarify mehrabian was never saying 93% of all. Ocean is nonverbal, because otherwise you'd never be able to read a book or you could you could go to a film and and just have I mean it does not stay silent movies didn't work because of course they totally did but there's words add an incredible layer and extraordinary layer to all communication. We've had a verbal language. Now for about 200,000 years we think so. It's pretty new for us upright hominids. It's pretty New Concept but language has caused us to be extraordinary on the planet and there is much else on the planet that has language or certainly not at the capability. We have it. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. It just is it's funny. Like I said since watching your stuff, it's been on my mind constantly and And just to bring it away from almost people like who are in sort of the formal roles, like, you know politicians, you know leaders all this kind of stuff just on a generic kind of person to person basis. So I'm obviously my job is very belly-to-belly. So I see people every single day, you know in all kind of mental States, you know, wherever they are in their life. They're coming through the gym. I have to be I'm always the first person they see and it's funny. I I see a complete massive. My body language throughout the day if male and female. Yeah, and it's it's amazing. What coming down into our gym environment which is a massive Community can do for somebody being surrounded in an environment where people's body language tends to be a lot more positive interesting. Yeah. I just in such a small space of time. So that's interesting by the time they come into the gym. They're not feeling maybe a Monday morning the nervous about work. Whatever it may be they come in they are around surrounded. By people that you know got slightly better more like you said upright posture more inviting posture they do a session and then they leave and that I'm not joking. They look they've they come in and they look like they by the time they'll either it looked like different human beings and in a way. Yeah, so which is which I personally find fascinating and it's kind of made me think And you're one from your big one for growth mindset. I know when I speak about it in a minute. Yeah, but Would you say in terms of the first step for learning more better body language would be getting to an environment which? Encourage not encourages. I think that's the right word. But sort of unconsciously teaches you yeah gives you good examples of that. Yeah. So what's you know, that's really interesting what you're putting forward their because I've not really thought about that in terms of the gym, but that based on what you're saying. I can totally make an argument that says you're better off to work out with others than alone. Because because we're social mammals so so and because we're social mammals we perform more powerfully as groups. There's an advantage to being in a group and we resonate with each other. We copy each other's behaviors unconsciously and we even pick up on the on the neuro chemicals that go, you know, we will pick up on the on the testosterone and the estrogen in the Androgen which literally He is in the air around around a gym. Yeah, so not only will we get more focused and and potentially competitive because of the testosterone but because of the estrogen as well potentially will get more connected with each other and will mirror each other more so I'd never really thought about that before until you until you were mentioning. That is that not only should you be going to a gym obviously in order to exercise your body and some really specific Can important ways but also to be around other behaviors which are good behaviors for your mind and your body so these open behaviors so it strikes me like as a as a as a, you know, a gym owner a gym manager anybody who has some kind of you know, as a franchise owner anybody who has some kind of jurisdiction over the behavior that happens in there. You want your staff to Be doing this open body language. You want to make sure that you are that you are rewarding members who are displaying this kind of open body language open mindset inviting warm, you know, really thanking those people for coming on because they're doing some of the job of the gym and it's funny cuz it's spot exactly it I mean and up until watching Your Ted Talk, that's what I realized. We were doing which was such a special thing because right was like oh there because yeah, obviously aesthetically physically you're helping people but in a mental way and it you're kind of creating this environment which encourages better body language which then leads to a better mental state and it's right. It's just a very exciting thing to see like it really is and for me as somebody like I said, I always send your Ted talk now, too. Potential members of Star great great think it starts there. I think for sure. Yeah for sure. It's got to start with the with the first, you know, obviously look, you know, there's how you can you know dress up your doorway and your entrance way and the poster image that you might have outside your place. Of course, there's The Branding there's all of that but ultimately somebody walks in the door and they're going to meet a human being and once they meet that human being that's going to be they're their framework for who are we as people in this place? You know, what how is this experience going to be for me and that first and you know, imagine going, you know, trying out a gym and and trying it for the first time and maybe you've been away for a while. Maybe you're not happy with how you are at the moment and and and of so, of course you're nervous and you're anxious and you're you're you're optimistic, but still threatened by By what this is going to be because you don't know you just don't know and what if that first moment triggers in you that sense of you know what this is going to be. Okay. This is going to be all right, you know, I think this is gonna be good the time people come in we've got this thing called a two-week trial people referring to my own experience just because it's the only way I've kind of understood what you're trying to say, but sure we've got this two-week experience and people come in on that first day and they're closed off. I could I promise you now the space of two weeks. It is miraculous. We miraculous it really really is but I want to spin on its head just one Deshawn quickly. It's you talk about and when I've been speaking to people about you and about your sort of concept. Let me say of the importance of being more inauthentic. Yeah. Sure. Okay. It's a funny one, isn't it? Because I'm sure like, you said not always does that sound correct or all right. You're right. I mean sure. But so he takes it whenever I'm in space when he takes the explanation and the like know that is completely makes sense. So I'm not going to obviously I would love you to kind of just talk us through your that concept and what it means to you and it's something that I completely utterly and completely utterly agree with now. I've been through the last 24 months by the way, so yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. So my idea about being made more inauthentic is simply to understand that some of our anticipatory is around being people around people similar to us, you know, so so look, you know, we clearly have a link because we have a link through theater, you know, you know, you mention your dad and I go okay course. Yeah like Okay. So this guy we know each other's world. We know a lot of the same we're going to know a lot of the same people, you know, you know it We carry on this got so so so we might be able to say we are we are familiar with each other even though we haven't met each other before we're family. Yeah, we would get on we'd have to work really hard not to get on because we've we've come from backgrounds that hold the same values beliefs rituals Customs goals concern signals. Yeah, which means you know, we get along really well right now and toys feels very good and it and it feels very authentic. We even you know, we have some similarities as well. You know, you got blond hair. You look like you've got a you look like you're kind of Danish kind of maybe French Danish, you know into Britain like like like me our ancestors would have come from northern Europe or something like that. So yeah, so there's a lot of there's a lot of similarity between us and so I'm more likely to gravitate towards You than somebody who doesn't instantly share a background is not familiar and who looks different from me. And in fact, I'm more likely to be suspicious of them or in most importantly indifferent to them if they don't trigger that sense of hey, this person is a good person their family. This feels really authentic to me really good really nice and most likely to be indifferent to them and That means I'm going to miss a great opportunity with something different something Innovative because because ultimately though, you know, you're a fantastic person. We already share a lot of the same views. It's like it's like this is like a conversation, you know on a on a on a level of values. We hold some of the same values so it's So it's an interesting conversation. It's almost a conversation with ourselves. Okay, there's nothing wrong with this because it feels great and and you know feels feels fantastic. But but but what we've got to seek I think more is conversations with people who are not like us who are different from us so we can influence and persuade them and they can influence and persuade us and we can all learn. Or be a little bit on the edge of one. This is a bit uncomfortable. You know, this is a bit uncomfortable hearing this stuff or hearing that point of view, but we all learn more it does that does that kind of make make sense to you on being surrounded by people like that? You can have more of an influence on them. Right? Absolutely and think about a business that you might might have and think about and let's take her. Take a Gemini l'm I don't run a gym. So I don't know but, you know tell me if this is right or wrong is that my guess is on the whole you can often kind of get an idea of the kind of people the kind of customer that you have the kind of values and beliefs and rituals and customs and goals and concerns that those people have and those will gravitate towards you and sometimes unless you become a little Authentic and little more inauthentic you won't go out and seek the new and different and more extraordinary markets for what you have. You won't go out you won't go into the uncomfortable places and go can we attract people who we really actually don't care about when we don't talk to them like who cares about about them? Here's our Aunt here's our customer now, I know there's absolutely a business argument that says no the people you don't care about don't care about them. You know, we have it in politics look, you know, there are people who are too too expensive to move over to your to your side, you know concentrate on the easier ones to move or the ones that you already have. Don't lose don't lose voters, you know, swing voters don't go and find voters or never be your vote. And that's that's too expensive. There's lots of good. Reasons around around that that sometimes on a business and personal level. You have to be more inauthentic in order to grow. I think essentially authenticity can often be something that stops you growing rather than helps you grow and that that's a bit of a bold statement because people who love authenticity hate it when I say when I say that and what I'd say is I think you got to get the right balance between authenticity and inauthenticity to be somebody who's really going to grow. I'm sorry. I really do and I just think the way I view it and the way I heard it just now and and on obviously on your Ted Talk was that if you have an authentic morals and an authentic goal being an authentic initially. Get there. It's just it's a vehicle is a vehicle for you to really do good essentially, right? Yeah, right. Right, right so correct. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely so that so yeah, look you absolutely have to have authentic goals and authentic morals. You can't really borrow morals from people or fake morality. It's that's that isn't gonna work. You kind of just a guy that's just being truly inauthentic and when people come into conflict with themselves and the world around them is often. They don't know their their goals or they're not comfortable with them right now. They don't know their moral compass or or what we'd really called their values like you can't really fake your values because ultimately that they're going to happen unconsciously anyway, Yeah, but you can put on behaviors in order to get those goals and get those values. And in order to engage people along that route for you to be more successful and for them to be more successful as communities as communities and we're going with social mammals. We've got to get on with each. Each other in order to be powerful and and and and and live. Well, yeah and live well as communities so we have to be able to look lying is one of your most important social skills as well as telling the truth is one of your most important social skills and what you have to learn as it as a human being in order to get on with a society is when two lion went to tell the truth and when to accept Accepting a lie is one of your most important social skills. You often know when somebody's lying to you and it's important socially to go. Okay good, you know, you know, that's not right. You know, that's not accurate what they're saying, but you have to accept it in or not because if you went around the world going to know that she that's that's not correct. That's that's a lie and you and you're telling me that on purpose and I'm not going to accept that and it's like it smells only that reminds me of How to Win Friends and Influence People, right, right, so the current that Carnegie book is really a Bible, I mean it is people often say to me, you know, what should I read what should I read on influence and persuasion and I say well, you know, first of all you want it you want to read How to Win Friends and Influence People, you know and do that and they say, oh, you know, I I've read that and I said, yeah, I know you've read it but you haven't done it. So that's the difference between reading it and doing it right now. Buddy, because if you do it if you literally go through chapter by chapter and you do what kind of he says the world changes in front of you slots into place and then it's not that it's easy work like it's hard work. It's hard work. It's effort because I think what Carnegie is trying to do is help people be less indifferent help people be more. Antic, I mean by that be able to get their authentic message out and collect people collect followers collect the will make a collective essentially be so sure we get a collective around you so that you can move your ideas forward for the betterment of everybody but that's an extraordinary book strawberry sense. Yeah. I mean, it's almost like a personal sacrifice. In a way to move yourself forward. It's like you got to give a little bit of a know this inauthenticity for your authentic goals to be achieved essentially, right? You've got to you've got to some things will rub you up the wrong way. He's gonna let him go. Let him go. It's like there's a bigger there's a bigger thing happening here. This was a bigger thing and though authentically like this person. Rubs me up the wrong way or I just don't like them or I just don't There anything there nothing there are no body. There are no body and and and you got to let that go the yes, that is the authentic that is truly the authentic you saying who cares who cares about them? Yeah, and instead you got to go. I'm going to totally engage with them and with totally engage with them like they are my familiar. They're my family and I'm going to see what happens and I'm going to be open to what What happens when you start doing some of that you meet some very Extraordinary People? Yeah, because they have a different thing going on to you. They got a different thing and when you Embrace and enjoy and get to know that different thing then you find some similarities you go the got a very different thing but some very similar things going on and you work out your way of co-opting with them and and and and Advising with them and going well how we gonna do something together because you've got this great like this this thing that you totally know about and there's another know about that Audrey, right? But how can we how can we do something together? And you start you start trading with them rather than hanging around people who are very much like you have very much a skill set that you have very much a knowledge base that you have and you just enjoying the warmth of being you know, With yourself essentially and that is actually very much more authentic is when people go with on the whole when people are going in I'd I don't like them. I think they were being very I think they're being there an inauthentic person, you know, they're well actually they did to just go know they were being inauthentic then it's right. Now you just didn't like them, but you don't know if they're being authentic or not. You have no idea. You just don't like them. Well, you're indifferent to them this kind of Link's me on nicely too. That's the kind of difference between someone with a growth mindset and a fixed mindset almost. Right? Right, and it really is that really is is it's that ability to realize that how do I have a face to realize that somebody else's personality may be fixed, but new you have to adapt and grow in that situation to be able to get what you want out of it for sure for sure. So it's so one of the things one of the things I think that look for people to best understand growth mindset. Let me give you a few words that I use in order to try and get myself into a growth mindset with around things. So one of the important words I use is the word yet. So so I might meet somebody and my instinct my authenticity goes I don't like them. I don't like them and and they go yeah, it goes I don't like them and and then I add to it at the end yet. So I don't like them yet. I like that. It propels me propels me forward now. I've met can think of about about three or four people the ultimately the moment I met them. I wear no they are not good. That's not good for that is not that is not good and they've persistently shown themselves to be not good. That's not you know, they should be avoided and when people go so, what do you think of sounds I'm like, I'm very over with all night. Not good. That's really not that's good for nobody good for nobody like that you it seems attractive quite charismatic not gonna be very good stay away from from from that but the majority of people the majority of people on the planet. I'm instinctively indifferent to and some I may not like from moment one, but it's not the the dislike is not bold enough. It doesn't put the chill up my spine. You know, it's just like indifference to like disinterest to don't like what they said. They're or don't like the way they behaved and what I've got to do is is I don't like them yet and give it more of a more of a chance investigate more essentially. So I think to to understand them play around with growth mindset just just add the word yet to stuff where you've created. Absolutes, you know and you doing business in great job flexibility, right? Absolutely. Correct creates a moment of flexibility, which means you might give it a minute more effort to minutes more effort a day a year more more more effort. You know, I you know, I haven't got I haven't got a five million dollar business yet. Yeah, that's it. You think differently make somebody else think differently just add more opportunist one three-letter word adds more opportunity to thank the think about that when you're managing managing people, you know, you're not very easy when you're managing people to say, you know, you're not performing, you know, you're not performing how I was at. Yes how I want yet. You know, you're not delivering to the client or customer this yet. I love it. I love it. Right this is going to be a fun one. Okay. All right. So fro the demographic of this podcast is somebody who is in the ages of sort of 20 to 30 31 looking for direction. And that's a massive thing for this podcast also is one of the biggest episodes in terms of downloads. I had on a sec psychologist. He was in Bro, who are who basically her experience was dealing in relationships? So I thought that it would be good to talk about that sort of third category of being a sexual partner how to get somebody in terms of a sexual partner and maybe a couple of characteristics or behaviors you could do on a in terms of body language on a date. I thought that be quite fun sure, you know, it's simple because it's what I was saying before open body language, so number one. Bo Papa but then again not putting someone in the friend zone as I like to call it right look well looked sexual attraction is being done at a with a whole bunch of other cues, very unconscious around likeness. How much like you are me? Yeah as a perso. So are you close to my genetic code? But not so close that we're family, okay. So there's a lot of attraction to likeness now. I know people will go. Yeah, but you know, I got friends and they're there with each other and they're so different. Yeah. Okay. So there's a lot of factors complex, but one of them is is likeness. Another is simply health health like we look at hair in order to work out how healthy is this person. How good is their diet is that is the hair hair that I have is it rich in color? And is it glossy because that's denotes High mineral content in the diet sources of fats and proteins. It's like a good diet. Yeah skin tone do they look is that the skin look good because if there's disease or malnutrition it's showing up in the skin. So, you know, it's all the things that you will go and buy products for You know and all the usual places, you know, in order in order to give yourself, you know a step ahead in the market in that competition because there will be a sense of competition for mates essentially. So you will get attracted and you will and people will be attracted to you if you look healthy. I mean it's and it was summer. It's not like we're looking for the most healthy person just die. Don't look like you've got a disease. It's not about you know, whoever has the most healthy body wins. No, it's just if if you look like you don't eat well and you know, you're around a place of disease. It looks like you come from a land which would be not very good. Good to live in because if we are to get together, I'm going to end up going to your land at some point. You're going to end up coming to mine. Okay to your each other's territories. And essentially if it looks like you're not well and your Mount have malnutrition. I don't want it. My instinct doesn't want to go over there. So those those elements there, you know T that I'm seeing you got you got a great smile, but teeth is one of the indicators of how old you might be and how Healthy you are so you know you end up at really simple things which is look after your body. Look after your teeth. Look after your diet, you know as well as you can it doesn't mean you having to push it to it's not about you need to look like you you're you know extreme sports person that could push it further, you know in a in another Direction look like you've got you've got, you know, no fat content on you which will cause people to go Oh, hang on though. You're in Starvation behavioral standpoint on this that says we are we are the the instinct is looking for signals that mean we are likely to survive. Okay, we're likely to survive around that person or in a group with that person now having said that though, There's other indicators like how good is that person at sharing? So sharing is important how good a sharer are you cause we're all going to die if we can't share okay with social mammals if you're if you're not sharing that's that's not good. How good are you at dissipating conflict? Yeah, so we often find that people that are funny. Funny I is attractive why is funny attractive because it's a great non-violent way of getting rid of conflict and we don't want to be around conflict intelligence. Yeah. How intelligent are you how good are you and intelligent intelligence would be how good are you at taking bits of information and turning them into something else. So how good are you at making? Kings something out of something else. So an example would be if if you or somebody else makes me a cocktail rather than just opens a can get a cocktail maker is more intelligent than the can opener. Yeah. Yeah. So so so so I would suggest male nor female. Yeah, the tail maker is more attractive than the opener of a bottle an opener of the bottle is using simple tools as a good quote that yeah, but any better mixologist, you know, so imagine that mixologist it's behind the bar. Yeah, you know male or female they can be pretty attractive now, you know, they're often put there because they have some of the signals of attractiveness, but it's that thing of when we got somebody really intelligent look at all the tools that they're using Look at look at how they're a look at how intelligent they are. Looking all the information that they Store look how they can make stuff out of other stuff. It's all the stuff that are instinctual brain looks at as upright hominids as social mammals and goes. Well, that's a good one there. So let's hang around our let's hang around at the bar because because there's lots of attractive but behind that behind that behind that bar, so it's so it's never just you know one. One element and certainly physical prowess though. It can have some effect on attractiveness. It isn't it. Isn't it isn't the major thing. It's some of the important aspects that you want to be working on. I think amazing amazing, you know, I could literally talk about this topic. I mean, I've literally you can ask anyone who knows me. I believe she'll become obsessed with this field. I mean, what's a good it's good field to become obsessed with you know a while maybe taking it a bit too far. But but but look, you know get up get up CEST with it for a bit and get into it, you know by having these chats. You know, what I hope to do for people is just get them more intrigued by it. So they'll go and read more absolutely going, you know, get the doll can't get How to Win Friends and and dip into that and do it do it. Read any of my books and do what's what's in there, but get get obsessed and engage by it a little bit and I'm happy to come back and chat with you anytime now. I see why there was one last thing. I mean I wanted to just say. Oh, yeah, I wasn't asking about the resources he mentions so couple of your books you've written for an hour's at 3:00. Yeah, four bucks for now. Yeah. I've got one ready in my bag to go. I'm going away next week in Palmer, but I Big basic question. I always ask this I always ask at the end firstly have you got anything to question always, uh firstly have you got anything major coming up that people can follow you and follow your work or anything like that that's going on. So look, you can always follow me on Twitter on LinkedIn Twitter is at truth plain. Find me at Mark Bowden on LinkedIn, you know, you'll find me on you'll find me on Facebook either by Mark Bowden or truth. Plain, find me there follow me there and and there's lots of video out there that you can wallow. I should to World Tour. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. If your dad would like to produce that there you want to make sure people have is is I've got some some free training out there video training. There that I give away to anybody who's listen to me or heard a keynote or or listen to a podcast of any sort. So you find it at bit dot l y it dot l y forward slash winning keynote, you know winning as in winning keynote as in keynote all one word bit dot l y /h winning keynote go there and there's 20 minutes of free video training there don't you know anybody who's listening to this just go and get that go and get that for free? Yeah, please. Who's in their 20s and 30s looking for a bit of direction? I think I mean doesn't have any body language audience orientationally could be I mean just something like a life lesson you've learned or something like that just a bit of parting wisdom. Yeah. Yeah the best the best advice I can get and I think some of the best advice that I've got is is is simply this which is They got it. Just just keep going. Just whatever it is. Whatever it is. Keep going. Keep going just stick at it and stick at it and keep going because often being more Relentless than anybody else is the key to some of the successes that you'll have in your life in my experience on the and from what others have told me who've been very very, you know, I've been lucky enough to work with some people who've been extraordinary. Marilee successful and ultimately I get the when I say, you know, what's your advice? What should what should I do? What should people do pretty much comes to down to that which is just keep on going do not stop Let The Others Stop and actually, you know, I've had it with with with some top athletes that I work with as well. It's like well, how do you win? How do you win? They're like, oh, you know you train. You trained and trained to be the best that you can be and then you kind of hoping for the others to get injured. Yeah. Yeah, you're very yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You're very welcome to come and hang out and for dinner sometime great talking to you and anytime you want to speak. I'm here. Thanks Mark.

Mark Bowden is the keynote speaker for organizations and associations worldwide whose people, leadership or sales teams need to stand out, win trust and gain credibility every time they speak. His highly interactive keynote presentation takes everybody on an informative, exciting and laugh-out-loud journey to understanding how, with the right body language “It’s often not what you say—but how you say it, that gets you extraordinary results!” His TEDx Talk changed my way of viewing the world. Understanding the importance of non verbal communication is a game changer. If you have not watched this TEDx Talk then I strongly suggest doing so. In this episode Mark and I talk about some underpinning beliefs around the topic and how it can unlock many doors to reach success. Topics covered in this epic episode: I ask Mark about his background and how he stumbled into the field of 'Body Language'. The importance of creating an experience and how to do so. Mark talks us through the 4 categories we put people into upon meeting them. This is dependent on the body language the person is putting out. Mark talks us through how to create open body language. This is what is needed to get people 'on side'. 'People aren't looking perfection they are looking for charisma'' Potentially one of my favourite quotes of all time. Mark explains the importance of creating the experience more than anything else. I ask Mark what the first step for learning winning body language is. As a business Mark talks about how the initial contact with an employee can create the framework for how that individual thinks their experience is going to pan out. Mark explains how being more 'inauthentic' can be the way to move yourself forward as an individual. It can trigger huge growth, as long as you morals and goal are authentic. 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' the difference between reading that game changing book and DOING IT! Mark's approach to getting into a growth mindset. How introducing the word 'yet' can change your approach to almost every situation. Winning body language in a 'Dating' scenario. His advice - 'The cocktail maker is more attractive than the opener of a bottle'.

Fantasy industry vets Joe Dolan and Tom Brawley are bringing it all season long on the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled fantasy football analysis. Good day everyone. It is Thursday, August 15th. My name is Joe Dolan host of the fantasy free agents podcast and on the fantasy free agents Podcast. Thursday is always a special day because that means we get to welcome in Greg Cosell the senior producer of NFL films the on-air talent and brains behind the action when the ESPN NFL matchup show love watching the matchup show with Greg and of course now we have actual tape to break. Out with Greg and is Greg and I joked about last week on our final preseason podcast. We're going to be making sweeping judgments about the careers of all these players that Greg has evaluated thus far off of like seven throws. It's a painful time of year for Greg. I know that he's said that to me and I've said it myself, you know preseason you have to take it into account, but you can't overreact too much. So what Greg focused on in the week One of the preseason he told me was quarterbacks. So I'm going to ask him about some of the more interesting quarterbacks in the league. I don't need to ask him about Tom Brady. I don't need to ask him about Aaron Rodgers. Some of these guys didn't even play. Some of them did some of them didn't but I'm really interested in asking about some guys whose jobs might be in Jeopardy. Obviously the rookie quarterbacks and how they perform some of the second year guys. Is there anything we can take away from the preseason and apply that going forward something to Keep an eye on once again. Nothing. We say in this podcast is either going to Doom a quarter back to the bench or is going to guarantee that he's going to end up in Canton. That's not the way this works. But it's simply an evaluation of the film and the moment we are in right now and we're going to build on these things throughout the preseason and of course heading into the regular season based on what Greg is seeing. So what I'm going to try to do here is contextualize what Gregg has Seen on film from week. One of the preseason asked him. What does he really need to see going forward but more importantly does what he see now. Is it any different? Is it the same is it is it troubling or is it encouraging based on what he saw on film last year when real bullets were flying when there were actual games being played. So that's how we have to look at these quarterbacks here when we're talking to Greg that being said we're going to also wrap up the podcast this week. On Friday with the our quarterback in tight end draft plan. We're going to be armed with this information that Greg is giving us and Tom Rowley and I will be back tomorrow to wrap up our Draft plans with quarterbacks and tight ends. If you haven't checked it out already, frankly the two most popular podcast, we've released so far are running back draft plan, which we released on Tuesday and our wide receiver draft plan, which we released on Wednesday. They have been our fastest growing podcasts. They have been our most popular episodes Tom Brawley, and I basically going I'm through ADP a high-stakes ATP at those positions and really breaking down what we like to do in each round. We dabble in roster construction. Hey, if I do this should I do that? If I took this player should I take this player? We're really trying to give you a picture of what guys were on what guys were not on and when were willing to take those players that we are on or if those players that we don't like so much if there's a point that we'd really consider drafting them. So I'm We're really excited about those podcasts because they've been really really popular thus far for us and we're hoping they're helping people out and come Friday. We're going to release our updated cheat sheets. I'll bet fantasy free agents.com. We released our first editions last Friday. We're going to be doing those every Friday and maybe we'll update them a couple times a week when we get into later August and more drafts are happening but works really putting all the information together right now and though Greg Cosell wouldn't consider himself a fantasy expert what we'd like to do is filter the film analysis through the lens of fantasy and Greg is the best in the business at the film analysis. And it's he says the tape doesn't lie. You can interpret it some ways but what is on tape is on there and we're going to get into our interview with Greg postel right now breaking down what he saw from some of the more intriguing quarterbacks in week 1 of the NFL preseason. 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So go download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started today and thanks for listening to the fantasy free agents podcast unrestricted, unaffiliated unparalleled analysis for your fantasy football and bedding needs. Gregor we talked all fair a little bit. We talked last week about how we're going to be putting guys in the Hall of Fame based on what we saw on on preseason week one tape. I'm actually going out to Canton on actually tomorrow. I'm going out to can tomorrow night for an event and I'm already excited to see Daniel Jones's bust in the internet Hall of Fame. Yeah. No, he actually look we you know how I feel about the preseason particularly weak one and it's everybody's excited about football as am I but you always have to be a little careful and and certainly when I evaluate a quarterback, I'm not necessarily interested in the number of completions. What is completion percentages, you know, I look for other things and teams don't necessarily do a lot of things but in the case of Daniel Jones, there are a couple of things that did stand out that I was looking for. First of all the Giants ran an RPO which he's very comfortable with because With a shotgun quarterback in college, so he's used to that that and and they ran an RPO. It might have been his second throw and he hit Golden Tate for 11 yards. It was it turned out to be an easy read based on the Jets alignment of their front but it was still an RPO the play that probably interested me the most was Lattimore For 31 yards because he was under Center and then I'm sure you saw the play it was his longest pass play. He was under Center and they went with a shot. Place, so it was play action under Center that requires footwork and snapping your head around quickly, which is a learned thing. It's a learned trait and he did it really really well and therefore he picked up Latimer on the krauser easily and made a very very good throw within the timing of the concept and you can see based on you said in college, although although David cutcliffe is known for his development of quarterbacks very much a shotgun quarterback. So that was clearly Don't think that the Giants and Jones were working on in particular and he executed that right and and it's a critical piece of their game because they have C'est quand Berkeley. So the play action pass game with the quarterback under Center will be an important part of the Giants offense now, obviously at this moment as we're speaking today Joe Eli Manning's the starting quarterback. We have no idea how the season will play out. But the point is take one Barclays in his second year. He's not going anywhere. So at some point Daniel Jones will be the star. Our and lining up under Center and running the play act the conventional play action pass game will be a meaningful part of their offense. And what goes along with that are learned traits, you know, the the footwork the snapping the head around the being able to pick up whatever they tell you. Your read is based on the given play versus a coverage. Those are all learned traits. So, you know Jones just in on that one throw he did it. Absolutely. Correct. Were you surprised were you Courage does it even matter to you on five throws at pal? In my opinion? I thought his ball placement was pristine. It was it was very very good. Yeah, I mean clearly the the touchdown was a really well-thrown ball. That was a high-low two men route concept versus what we call Red Zone cover to it was basically I mean, it was a fairly basic read. It's a high-low, you know in the in the high Red Zone everybody runs those kinds of things you're basically reading the corner if The corner sits low you're throwing the corner route, which is what Fowler ran if the coroner would have dropped deep you're going to throw it underneath to the lower receiver, but it was it was a well-thrown ball with really good ball placement. So yes, I thought that stood out Greg. I was listening to you before we get into the rest of the rookies and we will we'll get into Murray and Haskins and an interesting guy. I'm going to tease a little bit. We're not going to mention his name but a guy that you saw that you were very impressed with but let I know You dude Nashville radio and you're on the with the guys on the midday 180 and because you go on National radio regularly you watch the Titans a lot and you've seen Marcus Mariota a lot and I thought it was interesting and listening to your segment with them Greg when I was watching that game the Titans and the Eagles there was a I think it might have been a second or third down throw it was Mariota in a Zone trying to stick the ball into a window to Darius Jennings along the sideline. And Greg when I saw that throw live I was like that was it was an atrocious throw the ball didn't get there. It looked like it died. And I remember you saying with the guys on the midday 180 that it was also late and it was white like it's one throat. Okay, and in the preseason one throw isn't going to make or break a guy it's not going to do them to the bench nor is it is what they're going to put a guy in Canton like we were talking about with the but it's not the it's not the throw, you know, see that was that was a play that they wanted. Practice. Okay, and and it was basically a stretch run action with a seven step drop and Darius Jennings ran an out route. Okay, and they got exactly what they wanted from a coverage standpoint, you know, and again it's the kind of play that with theoretically works against any coverage because it's an out route. So whether it's man or Zone it becomes man because he's running outside the numbers so they went with with stretch run action. They blocked it up Mariota was Secure in the pocket. Pitch and catch it's a seven-step plant and throw because his footwork at the top of his drop was poor it became a 9-step hitch and throw and there's no such thing. So therefore he was late and a throw that should have been pitch and catch that theoretically quarterback should be able to make blindfolded. He's through it a beat late and in the NFL a beat is like 10 years as you know, Joe and therefore he took Jennings out of bounds instead of just Jenny for the caught that ball two yards from the With no problem. And again, I'm not now defining the rest of Marcus Mariota is career, but that was a very simple thing and it's just something that is a little concerning because it was it was pristine the way the play was set up and the fact that he was Totally Secure in the pocket and the question I have now and I want to relate what you've seen here to what you've seen previously in a guy's career. Is this becoming a problematic Trend with Marcus Mariota? As he enters his fifth year and he's looking for a new contract and the Titans are looking to see if they should give him a new contract. I mean, I would say it's a trend and therefore it is problematic. You know, that's that's the difference between making the plays that win and lose games is HE capable. I mean have there been times in his career where he's done it correctly. Of course there have we're not I'm not suggesting that he does this all the time, but he does it a little too much. And therefore you get a throw like that, which is seemingly insignificant on the first drive of first preseason game, but then what happens if he does it in the third or fourth quarter of an important game and mrs. A throw that is by NFL standards are routine throw, you know, that's the concern those little nuances and details of the position and up often being the difference between winning and losing games and then those things need to be cleaned up now whether they get cleaned up, Tup, I can't answer that but let's put it this way. They should be worked on and now and here's the thing. I saw people commenting. Well, what about Patrick Mahomes, you know, he's not perfect mechanically would you have said that Patrick Mahomes does need to clean think something's up mechanically, but here's the difference to me Greg Marcus Mariota is in a high-level thrower in the way past. No homes is and know there's less margin for error for Marcus Mariota. No, and then the thing that was interesting is Mahomes even spoke in the offseason and we talked I spoke to you guys. About this last year that obviously is a ridiculous thrower that's not the point but that he didn't need to clean some things up and he even spoke publicly about it. So, you know that that came probably from Andy Reid and the coaching staff and it's got down to Mahomes because Mahomes is a great kid who's actually very coachable. So he knows that he needs to clean things up, but it's funny you say that I just went through, you know, because I finished going through the last week's preseason stuff. So I've just been watching random stuff. So I just went through a bunch of Tyree kill. So obviously I was watching the homes Yes, and his footwork was actually pretty good. I mean he had some plays that were not great. But his footwork for the most part was pretty good. So, you know, but he knew that that it could be better and that's the kind of stuff you work on because at the end of the day when you're not pressured, okay, obviously, there's going to be plays in the NFL where your pressured and then things change but when you're not pressured you should be pristine and perfect every time every time not 80% of the time 90. Center the time a hundred percent of the time. It's like a baseball pitcher. Okay, if you're totally clean in the pocket your fundamentals your footwork. Your throwing motion should be perfect a hundred percent of the time and they're not with Marcus Mariota and Greg. I just want to compare him to Ryan tannenhill now Tannehill came in second. That means you're playing against more second-stringers. But the thing I want to point out here is the Eagles sat a large part of their starting defense in this game, right? It's not like Mariota was out there playing against the a 85 Bears. What did you see from Ryan Tannehill in comparison to Mariota. And what what kind of player is Tannehill in general in comparison to Mars? Yeah, right kind of Hills had his own set of issues. He's been a starter. He's got a track record like Marcus does and ten Hills had some issues throughout his career with what I call elimination in isolation, meaning eliminating. What's not there and isolating. What is there within the the structure of the play call? So he's he struggled with that. That's a huge issue. It's one reason. He hasn't been a consistent. And player, but he certainly had success in the league in this given game and that's all I'm speaking about Joe this given game this one preseason game. He did a better job than Mario to planning and setting in the pocket. He was quicker than Mariota with his set and his plant now he's not you know, he's a good athlete You could argue Mario to might have quicker feet overall. If you're just trying to judge their their footwork speed but Tannehill did a better job with his feet. There were a number of plays where he had to look one way. Away and come back another way and he did a nice job moving his feet with his eyes, which is always critical in to throw the ball accurately. So in this given game Tanana Hills lower body fundamental mechanics were better than Mario has again. It doesn't mean he's better or worse than Mariota. That's not the point. It's this given game griego. Let's go to Dak Prescott. Now, obviously the he threw like four passes in the preseason, right? We're not making any sweeping judgments, but could you tell based on what Dak Prescott? Did anything that Kellen Moore plans on doing differently this year from Scott Linehan? And did you see any improvements to Prescott's mechanics? He said that was a big Focus for him. I mean, you know, I think a big thing with Prescott and a knife. I remember correctly. There was one play that did show this and it was a positive. One thing with Prescott is you want to get him to get a better feel for progression reading because Prescott's one of those guys because he can move is guys who can move and and know that they have That in their in their toolbox oftentimes, they break down too early in the pocket. And then at times they'll make great improvisational plays and people get excited. But you have to be careful about that moving should be a parachute. It shouldn't be what you automatically do. So, I think the thing with Prescott is you want to get him to be more compact you want to get him to be more progression based in the pocket. And with that you talking about lower body mechanics again, and I think they're probably working on that. The other thing I would think they're going to work on and I don't know if this is in his DNA or if it's something you cannot truly work on each player is probably different. He's been in his career. Maybe he's been coached this way because they had Zeke Elliot and he was really the foundation of their offense. He's been a very cautious thrower Joe. He's not a guy that's that's been a turn it loose guy. And if you're going to make a subtle shift and try to make that Prescott more of a lead dog than a complementary piece in a run base. Stop fence. Then you have to start to be a little more aggressive turning it loose and and again, it's all situation based. But you know, I think that that's what they're probably trying to work with them on as well. You know, when you call plays I'll give you a great example. I'm sure you saw this on Twitter the whole thing with Jon kitna. Did you see the thing with John kid and I did when he told the story about Mike Martz I did and that and he's the quarterback coach. So the fact that he told that story tells me that they're probably working with him and just So people understand the story it was a case where they had to dig route called versus cover to a backside date great call against covered too. By the way, you know, that's the throw you want to make kidney through the check down and they got seven or eight yards and kidding. It was great. You know, it's thought it was hey, I just gained seven or eight yards good play. He comes over to the sideline and Marxist seething and he said, you know because the point was they had a did called which they practiced against cover to it's a great call. You got to throw the Dig that's just the way it is, you know, I think with DAC that's you got to get to that point where he's going to turn it loose and you said that I actually used to be a that was a problem with a Jared Goff coming in to his third year. Did he improve on that? And I think it's a little different with God because that system really presents a lot of defined throws. Well, you know and that goes into a whole discussion of their system which you know, we don't really have time to get into all the details now, but that's a system that really presents throws really nicely for the quarterback, you know Gough and there's nothing wrong with this. Not a negative term and people might think it is Gossip very programmed player, but that's okay. I mean, you know, it's the system presents the throws and they're there and it's okay to be program. That's what you want. Every quarterback is theoretically a system quarterback. That's not a negative term Greg. Let's get to a guy who isn't programmed. I would say that and maybe I mean that as a compliment as well Josh Allen with Buffalo, you said earlier in the preseason in our discussion that you went back and actually so incremental improvement from him throughout the season. Did you continue to see that in his first preseason action? He was very similar to what he was a year ago. Mr. Couple of throws with poor ball placement. There was one that was really egregious on Third and six it was a curl route that was wide open his A Jones and it was a routine throw and he and he threw it really poorly. You know, you can't miss those throws. It's one thing if you call, you know a deep ball and he has to throw at 35 40 yards down the field. And he just misses it. That's different. You still like him to hit those if it's there, but you know, that's a tougher throw when it's a curl route and 11 yards or 12 yards on Third and six and the receivers wide open. That's pitching catch. You got to make those throws. So we'll know guy. I mean, we'll see I mean again, he's got to improve in that area. Then you get caught up in the running element because he was arguably the best running quarterback in the league last year. Even better than Lamar Jackson, but you know again, maybe I'm old school. Maybe it's just because I'm old Joe, but I don't think you can hang your hat on Josh Allen being a runner and I was just about to ask that that was what I'm going to ask. Can you live with Alan missing a routine throw every now and again be no the high-level traits that he has No, you can't and you shouldn't even think that you can that has to be cleaned up. Okay, you know look I got taught the quarterback position by Bill Walsh. Okay, and the whole point is and I said this earlier in our conversation when everything is clean, you have to be perfect. That's the way it is. You know, Troy Aikman talks about this a lot when he does games, you know, when everything is clean as a quarterback, you got to make throws, you know. It's as simple as that, you know, you could theoretically do everything right as a quarterback. But if you can't throw it where you want to you have nothing. Okay, you have to make throws that are there because in the NFL you're not going to get a lot of wide open throws, you know, the great quarterback to make difficult throws. You cannot miss routine throws that or there so does Josh Alan have the ability to make spectacular plays both throwing and running? Yes, he does and he will make them by the way, but there won't be a Assistance e to their offense if he misses routine third down throws that are there. I know you watch the Giants and Jets game because we already talked about Daniel Jones, but what do you see on the other side from Sam Donald? You know Darnell was was was pretty good. I mean again, he's a pocket movement guy. He's a second reaction playmaking Dimension guy. He's got a really good. Knack for seeing the field and making off-balance throws with good ball placement. Yeah. I know the staff is struggling with with this in a good way, you know, not in a bad way because you know, Donald tends to have his feet not work. Well with the rest of his body, but then he has a knack for making accurate throws like So you you kind of have to figure out as a staff gee, do you really want to work on that which you know, normally you would or is that just Sam Donald? You know, so but Donald is I think he sees the field. Well, you know, I think he has a good sense of the game. He's a pretty accurate throw or throws a good deep ball and has that little sixth sense to him, you know, I obviously want to see him more of him as he starts his second season as a quarterback. It's a team that doesn't have it. Ton of weapons right now, but I think Adam gase is a really high level orchestrator and designer of offense and I think he'll work through that and present opportunities for Darnell. I think we won't get a full read of darn old until Chris Herndon comes back after his four-game suspension because gaze has always been really good with tight ends and Herndon fits that role so it might take you know, a quarter of the Season or more before we get a good read on what Donald can become but I to me, there's positive signs of bad dog. Even though at times, you know, I cringe you a little bit but that's the way he is in Miami Greg. We have a quarterback competition really one of the few in the NFL right now, but it's between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen Fitzpatrick's Fitzpatrick Greg. If you want to mention something that he did you can you can mention it. But we know what Ryan Fitzpatrick is Josh Rosen is the guy everybody's interested in how did he look as is their promise for his progression after? It was a nightmare working season. Well the problem with rose. And again is he played behind the second Team all line and there was way too much pressure, you know, look you can say this about a lot of quarterbacks obviously, but when Rosen is protected and can be comfortably rhythmic in his set in the pocket in his delivery then his he's very smooth. Okay. He's very system based. He'll turn it loose based on the route design versus the coverage. He's got a good feel for that. You know me. I don't know if this comparison Is 100% but in some ways you could say he's like a Jared Goff. I was in that lie about to say that but in that he needs the system. Yeah, he needs the system to present the defined reads and throws for him so he can be very rhythmic. You know, he's like God if he's a very smooth comfortable thrower of the football. You know, neither one is it is a bad athlete but they're not going to make their living making plays outside of structure. They're going to make their living dropping back. Back in a well schemed pass game and making throws that's what Josh Rosen is just as that's what Jared Goff has he made a throw this week. That's very symptomatic of what Rosen is. He had Clive Walford 21 yards on a seam route and then it was he threw it aggressively because hey the design of the play was there he dropped back. He was protected throw the football. That's what Josh Rosen is and you know what that comparison of course sounds ridiculous to people great because Jared Goff has started the Super Bowl, but yeah, Regardless where he will lie. Yeah after his rookie season, look where he was, right? So I mean again, you know, I don't know if it's a 100% comparison. I'm speaking more stylistically, you know, I think that's what Josh Rosen needs whether he gets that in Miami. I can't say hi to Marie Greg. He threw seven passes and I know people are freaking out about some of the throws he made but I mean Greg you saw what you wanted to see but there wasn't anything world-changing there and I probably and I would think we're probably not going to see that. At at least until deeper in the preseason, but almost certainly not till the regular season with quick. Kingsbury's plants we oh, I guess they said he's going to play more this week. I you know again they did Kingsbury didn't do anything out of the ordinary in this game. They he made a couple of speed out throws versus bailed cover three, those are spot throws timing throws so they called the screen and they happened to get the right coverage. So it was a nice gain. We saw his ability to escape pressure get outside the pocket. We know he can do that. That's not news. So they actually did play action boot which I guarantee they'll do with him because he can do that. So it wasn't there was nothing earth-shattering about calamari. Let's go to Duane Haskins Greg and I actually think we saw more from Dwayne Haskins than we saw from Kyle and Marie and Haskins is in the is in the quarterback competition in Washington. Supposedly. He is behind Case Keenum right now, but Haskins through a couple interceptions, but he also made some some big-time throws in Dedham and he's a violet he's a high-level thrower and that's not the question with him. Not at all. He can snap it off with velocity could be accurate. He made two high-level throws his first throw the game came off play action Boot and he threw the sale route really big time throw then he made a big time throw on a hole shot versus cover to holeshot being the outside void behind the corner and outside of the safety. So, you know, he's he I love his aggressive current lose mentality. I think he's that kind of Thrower, you know, the he threw two picks the first one it was a bad throw you could argue that the play wasn't executed as it was supposed to because it was basically a wheel route by the back with what was supposed to be a little natural rub element and the rub did not happen. So the throw was not as defined as I'm sure they'd hoped it would be but he still made in an accurate throw the second interception you'd have to ask him because it was an undefined seemed Pro so you have to ask him in the meeting when you're watching it what he saw why he made the throw because it looked bad and it was it was undefined throw was not really there. So you'd have to ask him why he threw it unfortunately Greg. I don't have him right after you on the podcast. No, no, he's not sitting here listening. But you know, but he also showed a little Mobility to be honest with you. I mean that's not going to be as game but in the NFL for a quarterback these days with the speed of defense's and the the emphasis on pressure schemes, you have to be able to move a little bit. And he did show some ability to escape pressure and get outside the pocket and that's a positive sign Greg given what you saw from Haskins on his college tape. I thought when things got a little muddied in the pocket, he really broke down when he was at Ohio State. Would you be hesitant to start him at the beginning of the season if Trent Williams isn't there? I think you know you have to get through the preseason. I'm not copping out. Yo, but I don't think I can answer that. Now you have to get more reps and practice more reps and games than it comes down to how you design your game plan because it's theoretically if you design your game plan in your offense works, you know, you're protecting him to some degree when I say protect them. I don't mean you're just handing the ball off. I mean the nature of your past game, you know, if ideally things are working and you're not in too many third and long situations you can protect them with Liquor drops you can protect them with plaques and boot you can do a lot of things that minimize the loss of a high-quality left tackle. So we need to get through the rest of the preseason to really answer that great. One of the rookie quarterbacks. You said who said arguably could have been the most impressive here in week 1 of the preseason fourth-round pick at Auburn Jared Stidham to the New England Patriots. Everybody's already preparing their first-round pick offers Greg for Jared Stidham like they did with Jimmy Garoppolo, but he was a polarizing Act and I think the Auburn offense in general is polarizing but what did you see from Stidham? And how did that compare to what you saw on his college tape? Yeah. I think you're right about the Auburn offense being polarizing. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I know no more than Gus Malzahn because I don't but you know, that was an offense for me that I don't think maximize quarterback play, but hey, maybe I'm totally wrong, but you know students showed excellent throwing skills in college. He just wasn't consistent player and you know at times I thought it was due to the Offense but in this given game against the Lions in the first preseason game, he was incredibly accurate great ball placement showed very good Poise in the pocket now, he was well well protected. So you have to understand that. I thought he showed a pretty refined feel for the route Concepts in the progressions. He showed really good footwork on his drop in set from under Center something he didn't do in college and we know that the Patriots coach hard, so I guarantee that's coaching. He made a couple of big time Thursday May actually made a throw. That was an incomplete pass to the tight end Ryan is o on a seam route versus split safety in the high Red Zone. It would have been a tough catch. It could have been caught but it was a really good throw. And so I thought he really looked good throwing the ball and look they drafted a quarterback in the fourth round. Fourth grounds. Not quite a throwaway pick. I'm not suggesting that you know, Tom Brady's out of here, you know after this year, but who knows, you know when you draft a quarterback? Back in the fourth round, you know, you're drafting him because you think he's got a chance to be your starting quarterback at some point down the road. Yeah. So when you talk about a guy like Stidham and we mentioned this earlier with with Daniel Jones when they don't drop back from under Center consistently in college, it doesn't mean they can't do it. It just means they're not asked to and they need to be coached into that. They need to be taught. There's a change in footwork. There's a change in Rhythm and timing if you're going to go play action you turn your back to the defense which these guys don't do. I mean don't forget a guy like charts to them grew up in Texas probably playing a ton of seven on seven and was probably in the shotgun from the time. He was two years old. So, you know, it's a whole different deal, you know, look I remember talking for years and years with Ron Jaworski talking about play action and the fact that when you turn your back to the defense and when you do it early in your career, it's a little scary because when you turn around the defense is not where they were before you, you know, you turned your back. And you know, it takes time to sort of process and understand. Where should I look when my snap my head around? What am I seeing? Because it's different than it was before the snap of the ball. And then you have all that goes together without my footwork has to be right. I have to understand my route concept, you know, it's a lot of things go with that that have to be learned. You don't just do that and Jared Goff is a success story in that regard because he was in the shotgun almost exclusively in college. That's correct. And that's coaching. And then that's your you know, theoretically anything in be coached. Then it has to be applied by the player and and that's that's great coaching and it's also a tribute to God that he accepted the coaching and clearly worked at it because when you watch golf with his footwork off their stretch their staple stretch run action, his footwork is really good Greg. You're obviously in the Philly area and it's going to happen in Philadelphia. Going to worry about the backup quarterback position until Carson Wentz makes it through another season healthy, right only fair. Nate son failed got hurt doesn't look like it's serious, but he but he broke his non-throwing hand or a non throwing wrist, right? Do you think the Eagles who now have Cody Kessler's their number two quarterback should make a move there or do they have the luxury of being able to wait for son felt. I think they'll wait. I mean, they might sign a guy but it's not going to be anybody that people go. Oh my God, because I don't know again. I don't have Have any inside information my guess is they don't want to overwork once at this point, you know whence has to be smarter to about how he plays in some areas. But you know, I don't I don't think they're going to go after anybody where we're going to go. Wow. That's that's unbelievable. They got him, you know, I think they'll live with what they have. You know from what I'm hearing said felt could be back by week three week for the latest, you know, so I think they'll go with what they have and if they bring someone in and we'll just be Well, they still have the rookie Thorson. Obviously, he's not ready to be a starting quarterback in this league. They know that but you know, I don't know if they feel they need a fourth guy just for a reps or if they're okay with three guys. What if son felt Straits Greg, what did you see in that? Because he played a lot before he went down in that game against the Titans. Yeah, you know such Paul was an interesting guy coming out of Indiana. I always thought he you know, when he came out of Indiana, he was an interesting Prospect, but I thought he was an odd thrower in the sense that he had a fast arm. But at times a slow ball, I think it's a little better since he's been in the league. He's tall. He's kind of stately in the way. He plays I think he's improved meaningfully. You know, it's always hard to sit here and say oh, yeah, that guy could be a starting quarterback and be fine. I don't know the answer to that I think in a system that that is really well schemed and I think the legal system is he could probably be an efficient player. Is he a high-level guy? Probably not but I think a healthy. But failed, you could line him up. If you had two four, two three four weeks and he could probably function in the context of that offense Greg. I obviously we're going to wrap it up here for pre-season Week 1 we have more tape coming up starting actually tonight here in preseason week two, but what can you tell the people about the NFL matchup shown what they anticipate this year Well, we started week one, you know, I've been grinding I've been actually watching a ton of tape from last season NFL tape, you know, once they get through the preseason tape, we start week one. We're on Saturday. A morning's on ESPN2 normally are time on ESPN2 on Saturday mornings is 8:30 a.m. And then we're on ESPN twice late night, which is a great time for the West Coast because we're usually on one am on late Saturday night into Sunday West Coast time and then early Sunday morning on ESPN. Usually it's 6:30 East Coast time. So it's the same times we were on last year will start promoting it hard on social media probably in the next week or so and Yeah, we're kind of ready to go. It's that time if you're not an early morning person or a late night person. We do have this wonderful thing Greg called DVR and you can actually talk into it. Now. You're a beautiful thing. Show me NFL matchup record me NFL matchup. Boom. There you go and a Greg that's what I'll be doing at. The matter of fact. I have it set up already, but I'll make sure I'm getting For You Joe good for you. I'm a loyal Watcher of the show Greg. I love it. I love a being able to visualize some of the things you talked about here. And I think it would help a lot of the people who are listening. To visualize some of the things so make sure you check out the NFL matchup show Greg. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you next week and we're going to put more players in the Hall of Fame. All right, I appreciate it. Thanks. What's up listeners? 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One two three four. What's up? Everybody? Welcome to the 20th episode of the early 20s podcast Namaste. Why are there no today? I'm Shanker hosting from Singapore and joining me are my co-hosts guarantee fromLondon and sorry again is from Abu Dhabi and project from profited from London today. We have two guests joining us here in Singapore. This is got of transition occur from from like from I don't know. I don't know where he's from born in born in Bangalore raised in Chennai traveled the world now working in Singapore will get into this and joining me is and Andy from Ian and he's in Singapore for this week traveling. He's a friend of God of and we actually bumped into each other last night over at dinner and somehow we landed up on the conversation of the early 20s podcast. Actually, we had Ram shree with us who has also been on the podcast and we started talking about drum. She's life story and then somehow we got into his podcast and then In to our podcast and lo and behold 12 hours later 18 hours later. We are recording this podcast. We're sitting in this nice apartment on Newton Road in Singapore. So pretty pretty cool place. But hey, thanks for doing this guy's this is gaurav. And this is my new apartment. I'm just getting used to it and it's amazing to hear about this podcast in 24 hours. We said we decided to do this and interestingly and he's visiting me from Bali for a week and we hung out in different parts of the world and talking to your friend RAM shree and about the early 20s podcast. We quickly figured that this could be an interesting thing to do and as I settle into a more one place life and reflect the last couple of years on the travels Journeys amazing experiences. You came and said, you know, why don't we see where this goes and I'm definitely excited to be here. What's up guys? I'm Andy. It's nice to be here. Thank you for inviting me. So yeah, I'm from originally from England and I'm currently staying on curves sofa for the weekend. He very kindly let me stay I actually live in Bali at the moment for the last few months, but my Visa ran out, so I had to come over to Singapore and yeah worked out nice curves living here. So so staying with him and yeah, we're here to talk about the Nomad lifestyle. I've been doing it for a few years. So yeah, hopefully have some interesting things to discuss. Yeah, that's so today's episode is going to be centered around the life of digital Nomads and and how these two guys have been this traveling around the world and and making good money where while added and leaving really really interesting lives II just To get a brief introduction about both of them. So God of actually did his Bachelors from nus in Singapore around eight nine years back and then he worked as a software engineer and in around 2016. He decided to start his second life as a digital Nomad it traveled around the world. He went to Ecuador. He went to Mexico Bali and I don't even know. We're all you if we but and now you've come back to Singapore to live one place lifestyle and you're working as a product manager here in here in Crab. So a very interesting profile and I love to dive deep into it and you on the other hand. I tried to research this guy on on the internet, but I couldn't find a single Google link to his to his name all I know about him is that he He works for three months in a year. And for the rest of the nine months. He he does skiing in the Alps and serves in Bali and and he does he works in the so I've been told that he works on some secret projects, but but majorly it's its affiliate marketing on Amazon that he makes his money on. So my first question to you And probably within gani add if you want to my first question is how did you guys discover? What digital Nomad what are they to do? No matter is and how did you get into it? You know, this is very interesting because yeah, I so I grew up in India and I went through the ride for getting into the iat's and the bits. I studied really hard in my high school and I realized I could I didn't make it. I think it was at the for thousands for ID and I Don't think Naval architecture in IIT Madras and I didn't make it to bits in a very high and interestingly in u.s. At that point in time was opening admissions from people in India and Indonesia, and he bring markets and I decided to give it a shot. I had no idea about life outside India. That was my one-way flight to Singapore my family and I went on a small holiday. I didn't know what Singapore was actually. But I realize it is a small island and it's growing really fast. They're fantastic opportunities. So why not write it was a big leap of faith and Singapore actually was a great launch pad because that experience of studying in a university with people from all around the world, but focused on southeast Asia gave me an idea of understanding different cultures different countries. It existed what opportunities on the world look like what specifically the tech industry is doing. I don't know what Silicon Valley was until my first year where there was the nus entrepreneurship Society. I studied in National University of Singapore. Nus the entrepreneur Society gave me an idea of okay. These are the things that's happening. It was really good launch pad and open my eyes and so as an ambitious young guy from I wanted to just jump on some of these opportunities and so as a You know international student you also get an opportunity go study abroad for a year. And I decided to go to Sweden caviar again is I thought Sweden was Switzerland. No, no, no kidding. It's one of these Scandinavian countries and one of the first places I lived outside Singapore after I started education and I realize holy shit, you know, the world is much bigger than I thought it was I also made trips to the Wes to Silicon Valley to understand Chinese companies and I got really interested in the technology industry and fast forward. I started my first job because of a friend who I studied within newest and this was actually in Sweden I decided to join him running a very young company and you know, there was a side of me where I always wanted to you know, go and see new pastures. What are the new experiences out? There was always exciting and so If I can make this a bit short, it's I spent a bunch of time in Sweden. And then I was I found a bunch of time in New York city in the US and I realize unfortunately or fortunately being an Indian citizen it often is difficult to get a Visa work visa and some of these countries in Sweden. There is a Swedish migration board microphone circuit. I had some very small paper anomalies that said God of please leave come back after 1 year and in the u.s. My L1 L1 B petitions were declined and I was like You know, I feel like I'm a good employee and I'm not able to work in these amazing places that I dreamed of and I learned about what should I do next? So I don't have the answers and I was by the way, I know this is the early 20s podcast. I'm not in my early 20s. I have been my later 20s just to just to make it clear. I was like what the hell should I do right so I decided to go to Bali everybody was going to Bali at that point in time great holiday. A destination I go there and interestingly that's when I met Andy and I saw a bunch of folks in co-working space called Dojo Bali. I just popped by who would ever go to a co-working space on a holiday. I was busy surfing and going to the waterfalls. I pop by and I realize holy shit. There's a huge bunch of people and this was 2015 16 and 18 2016 4 leading amazing lifestyles are running internet. Is are working, you know for five hours a day are surfing in the morning and I realized hmm. Why can't I do this? So interestingly the folks have been working with said gaurav. Let us hire you remotely and again remote work at that point in time was just about starting people were skeptical about it. It was more for software Engineers. We're in local markets like Sweden. They were finding it hard to recruit at the same time. You know, they had migration issues where it takes a year for somebody. So they said Okay, God of you know, we worked with you we have trust and thankfully that's been there even now they said why don't we give you a shot? Like let's work remotely and I realized it's possible and that's when I got learn from people like Andy and other folks that I met and I realize, you know, I could do this longer and I took on a journey for a couple of years and went to all these amazing places. So that's that's like a summary and it's been a fantastic experience and I'm so grateful. I did that in my 20s and it's more possible today than it was ever before with access to cheaper flights with co-working spaces that guarantee that you have a very good connectivity with Ubers and airbnb's that make Services very very easily available and most importantly people who are not very dissimilar like you who want to meet people like you understand where you come from. What life looks Like in your part of the world and we are becoming a globalized world. So I'm very glad I did that and met people like Andy who's showed me was possible but also gave me a very good Community like experience. So that's that's The quick summary. Okay, I'll explain how I ended up in Bali and my girth so I grew up in the UK and a small town just north of London and I studied in a city called dome in the north of England. I studied maths and economics as an undergrad and Masters in computer science, and after that I finished this was September 2015 and I didn't really want to get a graduate job. So I just pretty much Googled how to make money online and one of the one of the top results that comes up is affiliate marketing and the concept is pretty simple. You don't need to actually sell a product or anything. You just refer people to Amazon to buy stuff and if they buy it you get a commission, so I thought oh this This is pretty interesting. I had a bit of a background in SEO like search engine optimization and I'd previously made some like hip-hop album websites. I used to do some like dodgy dodgy stuff online when I was 16 years old. Yeah. I started doing that may decide about hoverboards in 2015 and and ended up going quite well gave me enough money to come out to Bali. So I actually actually came to Bali because I was dating a girl in England and she was going on a trip. It's appalling and I kind of followed her out there. And yeah, so I came out to Bali for for romantic Pursuit and then that that collapsed within about a week of arriving them, but I thought I'm out here. I might as well make the most of it. So I kind of moved around stumbled across this place Dojo bawling this workspace and it turned out to be just an amazing workspace environment. So many cool people Meg core of their meant there's just all sorts of different characters are there's professional online. Poker players, there's people with already successful businesses as people just looking to start out looking for ideas as journalists. There's social media influences these kind of people. So it's just an amazing environment to be around and meet people ended up staying for six months. And that was yeah that was the start of my nomadic lifestyle I guess. Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I have one question in 2015 you finish your graduate. You did your graduation and you were making money doing SEO? Why did not why didn't you take a job at that point of time? Why did you like was it all because of the girls or or did you have some Clear Vision that you did not want to take a job into something else? So so after I started making the money, so the thing with Amazon affiliate is that they you have to wait about four months to get paid. So I made this money shortly after finishing and like late 2015, but you don't find out if you're going to get paid for a few months because it takes them a long time to process a payment and my friend was actually doing a ski season in the French Alps working in a bar and the guy he was working with a just been fired. So he was like come out and work with me. So I ended up going to France for six months. And that kind of delayed any kind of job studying opportunities. And then once I got back from France, it was getting on for summer 2016 and I knew the money was coming in sand then. Yeah met this girl and I was like, why not go to Bali. So yeah head out there. Yeah. What's interesting is sometimes when you graduate that is pressure for you to find a job. There are different reasons. I mean because the education is being paid for and you have to start kicking in and also the cultural pressure for you to find something that's high paid. It has a brand name and so on but what's interesting about Andy is I think he's not that pushed by those pressures and he wanted to find his own Charter, which is very exciting. I mean it you have to see that, you know, he had some idea about kind of the internet and what things that can be done but it takes a lot more courage for you to actually decide. I don't know but I will just give this a shot which I think is very very important. For both of you to select a why not question. So Andy asked why not go to Bali you asked why not go to Singapore. So it seems like you guys really like jumping on opportunities when you find them you don't Certain think about it much and you just go for the opportunity which is three and and and I think being in the early 20s at that point of time helps because you're in you're still in the mode of rebellion, and that I want to find my own voice maybe so that probably helps in tackling the why not question. Now, this is interesting. I definitely didn't want to live at home. So I was like anything that takes me out I'll take it. But the other thing is even in today's world you can have only so much information, you know, you can draw chart say This is a good this is the bad but what is really help me is to take a leap of faith. You believe in yourself, right? You just know what it is. It's like that coin experiment where you throw something up and you know, the answer before 11:00 false eye that's generally guided me. I don't know if it's all going to end somewhere. But if all the major decisions it seemed to help me and I feel like I'm the leap of faith guy and it's also helped me with some of my Adventures. So I would clear with the specific skydiving experiments, right? It's really helped me literally leap of faith. So that's that's something I really like and it's I think a very good attribute of like entrepreneurs as well because you're if you're doing every what everybody else is asking you to do then it's not the probably the best idea the best business. So just something I often this feels, you know, what is the right decision but Most about what is the most exciting thing for you to do? Yeah, I think the early 20s is just a great time to try as many different Lifestyles as possible. And then I'm 25. I guess I'm mid 20s. But yeah, my I guess my philosophy is it's just nice to try and live as many different lives as possible when you have the freedom the way I look at it is like if you go somewhere like if you go to Bali or you go to Mexico and you don't like it the like worst case you can book a flight and probably be home. The next day in it, like it's really not that much of a commitment these days. I guess it depends on how financially free you already. But at the end of the day is I was the worst that can happen. You know you go there for a week you don't like it and then you go back home for me. Like when I go back home. I normally spend three months of a year maybe back in England and I stay with my parents. I love them to death, you know, but after a couple weeks is saying we drive each other crazy, you know, like It's lovely at Christmas and New Year's and hang out with my friends. But most of them work nine to five jobs. So it's amazing. I spending time with them on the weekends, but during the week it's kind of like I'm just sitting in my parents bedroom. Just like what am I doing? I feel like I'm 16 again. So it's like whenwhen Gore of messages me and says, I'm in Mexico, it's great. It's a bit of a no-brainer to fly out and come and experience it in it point is it's good to ask, you know, what's the worst that can happen and Easier to answer that when your 20s interesting interesting and that's a nice segue. So and I just mentioned that God of made a call and ask them to join for his Mexico trip and how did that happen how so after Bali you guys made up in Mexico and now you're in Singapore. So how is your travel experience has been like together? Yeah, so in basically in Bali I realized I could do this long-term, but the challenge was I was working between New York and Stockholm the folks. I knew and the time different starting to kick because I had to work in the evenings where these folks are by the beach having fun and I'm in this court in spot like coding away and I realized why this doesn't sound that great. But what's the other side of it? Right? I realized these These folks I might have been to other parts of the world and I have always dreamt of going to the Galapagos. I wanted to go to Peru and Machu Picchu. I want to go to salar De uyuni in Bolivia. I wanted to go to first of all, I didn't know what Guatemala was but I figure I figured it out and I never wanted to go to Central America. And so okay. Why don't we go at a different time zone and take a leap of faith again. So I decided to take a one-way flight. Light from Bali Singapore to Quito Ecuador why Ecuador is partly because of Galapagos, but it's one of the most open countries. So being an Indian citizen. It was important for me to visit the countries where I don't need to stand in line to apply for a Visa and the interesting thing is if you have a long-term US Visa B1 and B2 lot of Latin America opens out to you. This is including Mexico Ecuador, Colombia, Peru and so on and so I was like hmm. What Worst that can happen just like what Andy said three months in Ecuador here. Let's give it a shot. Thankfully the folks who I'm working with already. Trust me that I'm doing a good job. Let's see what where this takes me. So I decided to go to Ecuador. I realized shit. I actually look like some of the Latin American folks. So that was that was a good segue. I but I didn't know Spanish. Everybody was speaking Spanish and I was like, I need to get a taxi here in the like guess the Orlando and I wanted to learn Spanish. So interestingly one of the themes is always been to learn something in each of these countries and see the things that I saw on Discovery Channel or National Geographic which my father had shown me a lot of as a kid and a lot of the information start Gathering when I was studying in Singapore and to please exchange trips to Sweden and the u.s. Right and I wanted to go to Machu Picchu and wanted to go to all these countries so I decided I will chop After a few months in Ecuador, but I felt comfortable chart trip over Latin America. There is you know, it's South America and then the Central America, right? And after I quote or moved to Columbia, I went to Peru and all of these were at least a couple of months and every city in a co-working space and interestingly the folks. I met in Bali. I also saw them in meta-gene in Colombia. I saw them in Cusco in Peru and what the most beautiful thing. Uh is the community is very well in it and I met my real good friend of mine and Bali as well just like and Andy knows her as well. She was in Sayulita, which is in the West Coast of Mexico. It's actually the Bali of Mexico if you asked me and she was like, oh this place is great. It has great Wi-Fi fantastic for surfing we were United by our interest in surfing and I was like sounds great would be a great segue into Mexico and I go there and most interesting thing is to do this with other people and I message Andy message me order for the blue. He's like, hey man, I've little board spending spending time with his parents bedroom, and I'm like, yes, exactly and I'm like, hey, I'm here in Sayulita. It's it's amazing and he took a one-way flight to come and interestingly. He spent more time in Sayulita the night. I'm like, I'm out of here in a couple of months, but the beautiful thing has been reconnecting with folks who I met in different parts of the world and now In Singapore and going after these amazing experiences. That's the travel story of me. I'm sure he has an interesting story, too. So what is this travel since buddy? Okay, so I spend around 5 months in Bali chilling with gaurav doing a bit of work. So a lot of my work is I met websites around Black Friday. So like that's one of the biggest times of year for affiliate marketers the deal with consumer products because a lot of people buy a lot of stuff on like Friday. So I make em a website's advertising Black Friday deals. And so yeah, a lot of my work is based around November December kind of time of the year. I was in Bali and so December went back for Christmas. It's been a bit some of my family and after that try to think what I did. I think I came out to Mexico Mexico was 2017, right? Yeah. Yeah, Mexico is 2017. So I spent a bit of time in severe in Spain for a couple months with another guy. I met in Bali french guy and yeah came out to Mexico spend five months out of there. And yeah, it's like a really nice chill place to all you really need these days as Wi-Fi to be honest to do this like remote working depending on what your job is but that was a nice cowork space in Mexico. It's a lot smaller and more intimate than the one in Bali so in Garibaldi there's maybe two hundred people working there several different rooms or different kind of environments. Where as in Mexico that was about 10 of us, which was a nice change from The Barley like the big it was like a very tight-knit little community. And yeah, we would go out for dinner. It echoes each night and go surfing and yeah see each other each day. I was really nice spending about five six months there. And then yeah since Mexico I've been in Brazil four five six months. I was dating Brazilian girl and I was living in São Paulo and yeah, and now came back to Asia because Bali is one of the best places that I've been so far for meeting people and working online. Yeah, that's amazing because Sayulita where we were is a great spot. It's one of those magic towns Puebla Mexico that Mexico has and interestingly I think for Indians Mexican food is amazing in terms of flavor. The tacos the quesadillas most of the time we were actually eating locally in the streets and surfing is a fantastic. It's the whole city is just four by four. Blocks and I had a fantastic apartment and I realized the floor above was getting empty. And so Andy came over and a few other friends of is so we have very fond memories interestingly lot of the great memories of my travel or with other people, even though it might not be adventurously extreme or you like climbing a mountain or you're like going down deep into oceans for example, but it's often with other people. Do you guys have anything yet? Yeah. Yeah, I have a couple of questions. So do you guys follow Nomad list? Yeah, the the guy that made no medalist Peter level was he actually works out of Dojo barley. Sometimes you say. Yeah, we've both met him a few times you can you connect us with beer two levels. I don't I don't know him well enough to be doing introductions, but he's a he's a really cool guy is super friendly guy. And yeah, and he's really inspirational interesting. How does the backpacking seen in Southeast Asia? Compared with the backpacking and digital Nomad seen in Ecuador like Bali is very popular Chiang. Mai is pretty popular, but equal seems new to me like yeah. So on Nomad list, I think it was really helpful for me to figure out where to go and the guy is solving a really necessary problem and interestingly the community in Dojo Bali is being pretty well knit and Ray who's become. The product on the maker of the year and I would do want to Ping him after this is somebody who I saw even before he started this movement and it's an amazing subset of Nomads who are great makers want to join the journey in building products and there are other types of stem and I've seen way different kinds of it was well, I'm very glad because it's picking up and Andrei and I we went free diving on a course up in north of Bali together and it's interesting. The communities developing that being said. Yes. So the most interesting hot spots are in Latin America. It's meta-gene. It's actually Sayulita becoming Mexico City Tulum, even though the internet infrastructure could be better. Lima is interesting. La Paz is growing as well. So there are different communities like the Wi-Fi tribe the remote your and I've seen them interestingly in different parts of When I was doing it alone, I've always wanted to do it alone because the programs often after a time you have to follow the course and I depending on my Visa status, you know, it's those programs focused more on kind of European and American folks who had free entry and I had to figure things out myself, but I realize actually wanted to go to some of these exotic places and figure it out myself because after three months of Ecuador had the confidence in Spanish where I knew I could feel comfortable. At the same time I saw the weworks popping up. And this was now in Medellin. I saw we were coming up in Mexico City where I spent six months. There's a we work in Lima. That was very very comfortable. And so those things really started to give me the confidence that I can do this, even though these are not hot spots and they're becoming so if you take my bet icing in five years, you'll find these folks not only in Chiang Mai or Bali but also in these Especially Mexico City is amazing for Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who want to if they have a Runway they can actually double it by being in Mexico City. When you say Andre, you mean Andre has some of the guy who spent annually on this one camera straight. I'm very happy for we should bring him after this. Yes. Yeah, he's very inspirational and I've been following him on Twitter. I think I came to know about him like six or seven months ago. I've been seeing his craft. Yeah interesting to it say like job well done to him project. They have any questions. Yeah one guy. That I had which is somewhat different from travel today, but I believe when you started God of this is one. This one's for you. I was just saying that when when gaurav you started traveling when you were in Bali and then they are travel suppose that you working as a you working in a product role as opposed to an engineering role. Is that right? And so I was interested in sort of knowing about I mean for software engineering being a software engineer myself I can very much imagine that It sounds something that can easily be removed table. But for a product role I always imagined that to be something which has like a ton of interaction a ton of meetings. How was your experience like on that perspective did that was at a problem? How do you how do you how do you compare it to your software engineering days when I guess the first couple of years of college you were first working as a software deaf. Yeah, that's a great question. So the answers are multiple multiple fold. So my background is from a engineering background. And so I started my career being a software engineer and interestingly when I started working with markable the startup with people have already worked with I started off being an engineer and that's how it started off in Bali and also in Ecuador. And this has I moved to Columbia and so on but interestingly after you had specific maturity of a product where people are asking for it. It turned out that I spent a lot of time with clients and specifically the engineering and the computer vision team this because it is a visual search product was based out of New York City where I've made constant trips, but since I was involved in building the first set of apis in products, I start my rol started becoming very be kind facing and I realized I'm spending less time with engineering specifically but more time working with and so that informed the product decisions of how things need to go specifically for the remote lifestyle. It is definitely easy for software Engineers because there are tools like GitHub and slack and joy and fellow where you can, you know, just ship code and contribute to the product and there are definite ways of doing it with Management it's less. So it's really important the underlying core of why it had worked for me was because there was trust I have worked with Jonas the person I work with her for a long five years. So the working experience really helped because I know the capacity of him and what he expects of me and how he expects me to work with clients. He being the CTO and it was a very small team. So it's the role was less important. It is more getting stuff done in a start-up like environment. We were to not more than 15 people interestingly. If you look at big companies and these are Silicon Valley companies, right? It gets more siloed into a specific role and they are remote opportunities with companies like GitHub and buffer and so on and interestingly they even give you a relocation bonus. So some of the companies that are based out of Silicon Valley will pay you to move away from Silicon Valley because it costs them. You can actually make more money by going remote and these are for specific roles. I don't see that yet for PMS but the PM role is becoming part of that, you know remote opportunity for small to mid-sized companies small more. So if you've already worked with the team and so I think a lot of the remotes Nomads working with startups and product like environments by the way, and he doesn't it's amazing. You see so many other people is it's the relationship you have and how you can convince yourself. Your team and the company you do so. II don't want to make this like an engineering podcast. But yeah, I just want to say that I think a remote work is the future and a lot of VC money ends up going to real estate agents. Like you pay salary to a day when the deaf ends up being that money to a real estate agent you get VC money from your PC and you end up giving it to V work or some other real estate company so I can see why remote work is like like the future people are distributed like if if I have an insult. In team which is covering five different time zones, then I have 24/7 customer support as well so I can see why remote work is the future and we are totally on board with that. In fact, I read in fact, I read this read this article by Naval ravikant who was who is also a very strong supporter of remote work partly because he led in zero and like their job is to connect startups and people Nice work coming back to travel. I'd like to ask Andy about how do you go about like, it's the most strategic question. How do you go about planning your ear? Like how far do you look in the future like to see you? You told me that you work in October November December and then how far do you plan your quarters? Do you apply for visas beforehand when you book your tickets or is it very spontaneous? I would say spontaneous is probably the most It's a cure word. So yeah, October November December even September. I like to be settled in one place knowing that I can stay there for a few months and work. So last year was São Paulo in Brazil. I was working in a nice. It was like a Regis co-working space had an office them the year before that. It was Mexico say liter and the year before that it was Polly so that time of year. I like to know I'm going to be settled somewhere for the next few months with no no distractions or no changing but the rest of the year are Emily go home for Christmas back to London and then yeah, hang around in London until January February go on a couple like most of my friends will go and ski trips to France. So join them. It's nice to like spend the holiday with friends because I don't get to see them that much to rest of the year if I'm away. So it's a nice time to catch up just like yeah. I kind of commit December January February to just catching up with old friends that I'd like to spend more time with that. I don't get to see much rest of you and then once it gets to February Pitching to go away. So I'm just kind of looking to looking to go over someone to if like any idea just comes up. I'll just jump on it to be honest. So yeah this year I chose to go back to Bali because it seemed like a good place. But yeah, it's pretty it's pretty spontaneous. To be honest. I'll just go wherever wherever I feel like life is taking me at that moment. And yeah, I like to spend at least a few months and each place because spending if you just go to one place for a few weeks and move around which a lot of people do a lot of people Just traveling though spend a few days and then move on but it's I find that can be pretty stressful. You know, you don't feel like you're rooted down in one place and it's hard to actually when you're looking to get work done. I find it takes at least a week before you can really get into a routine of working. So in Bali, I know that I have a routine and I can settle down into of like doing a little surfing everyday and then working the rest of the time and as like a nice workspace, but when you go to when you arrive at a new place, it's stressful, you know. No, because you don't have it. You don't have a group of friends. You don't have you don't know where you're going to go and eat and there's a lot of things it takes a little while to familiarize yourself with so, yeah, I wouldn't recommend spending less than a few months in any one place to get a real because you want to feel like you're actually living somewhere, you know, if you just feel like you're moving around and it's just like an extended holiday. Yeah, it's nice. So I like to stay at least few months in each place. And yeah Bali seems like a good place to spend a little while. Do you plan so okay, I agree the trips could be spontaneous. But do you plan like the next five years next three years and is like any short-term planning in that sense? No, no verdict. I mean - find your short-term planning such pretty long term. I mean, I guess I guess maybe the next the next couple years. I'd like to keep traveling keep exploring new places. Places and find a place where I'd like to set them because I think eventually it's nice to settle down and anchor yourself in one place like gaurav right now is chosen to settle down in Singapore, which is cool. And yeah, eventually I'd like to settle down but right now I still feel like I'm in that that stage of just trying to figure out where the best place is to do that and I mean so many places now to explore the I think it takes a lot of your early 20s and even late twenties to figure that out, you know, like it can be like Five year plus plus Journey around around different spots trying to figure out where the best places. Yeah like me and little in your late 20s, you get to settle in the early 20s you get hurt again D. So that's like pieces into the next topic. Why did you decide to like finally stay in Singapore and stop the digital Nomad lifestyle is just a temporary thing. What do you think Asura p.m. You might grab my try to expand somewhere else. Will you be traveling around which the idea of your side? Yeah, that's a great question. I traveled around Latin America and Bali and was a little bit of Vietnam for close to two years and a little more and I went after my dreams. I wanted to learn how to skydive. I wanted to learn Spanish and learn salsa in Medellin and this is three months amazingly beautiful. I wanted to go and have a spiritual experience in Peru. I want to climb the Machu Picchu and I realized after. For a couple of years that sometimes things can get lonely and you miss the community and there is people think it gets really tiring. It's not as tiring, but you miss the beauty of being in one place and I never thought about it, you know, if you look at a normal life everybody lives in one place, if you look at history you grow up in one place you ideally live there and also the either and it's Interesting where you have been there and done that and I missed a community. I wanted to build like, for example, I play the Tabla as an instrument which are learned when I was a kid and I could not do that traveling. I wanted to do continue competitively swimming which I did again as a kid, but that's very tricky to do when you're traveling even though you're up in the oceans and so on and I wanted to be more Or and kind of one place build roots and so interestingly Singapore has always been open to me and five years ago Singapore when I came there were no a tech companies at this scale or growth. They were very young and trying to figure out what they want to be. And then now you see the likes of grab-and-go Jack entering and you also see companies like Google who are focusing on the next billion users and stripe and for folks focusing on southeast Asia as a market and I also missed having a team that I worked face-to-face because it can really help help collaborative skills. You can learn a lot building things together in the same physically kolak and I missed that and I knew what it was a difference between remote and working with people in the same place, and I wanted to grow my career I think Look back. I feel there's my scope of career growth could have been higher if I had been a fizzy and so I decided to go after that and Singapore and the opportunity that I have which I'm very excited about it involves some amount of traveling in Southeast Asia and it's in the payments part of the business. I'm really really excited about and I decided to pick one place and do these things. Yeah. Actually I was listening to another podcast that God was on The wandering The Wanderers the world Wanderers podcast, even there you you talked about how getting back in touch with your parents was also an important part of your of your thought process and I think that yeah that comes with age as well that kind of going back to the roots thing. Yep. Yeah, that's actually really important. I am very grateful for my parents. You know, they brought me over. Away where they were really open to all experiences and they say Go-Go or figure out your ways and I'm so grateful for them and I realized especially in the last two years have been so far away. My mom is like I'll come to Mexico and I'm like, you know, I'm not going to be here in this specific spot. I don't know how to plan her trip and I do want to take her around the world those are new set of dreams, but I think that's now having me seen the world and I realized I could do that by being more rooted as opposed to, you know, traveling in different spots. And so that's Andy Andy area, yeah go to shout out my parents as well. Like I think a lot of us that do this. I will look to our parents like they my parents paid for me to go to university in England and they supported me through all of that. And then after I finish they were pretty Keen for me to get a financial job that kind of thing. I went for a couple interviews. I didn't really go to well I didn't really like it and yeah, I told him I want to try this affiliate marketing thing. I like I think I can make money. Me online and the first few weeks. It was like anyone starting a new site will know that it's like it's you start from nothing. So you have no traffic. So the first couple weeks I remember ice like someone bought a book online. So I got like two dollars commission and someone bought a mattress and I got like ten dollars commission and my parents would come up to my room and be like, oh you sort of mattress like you're doing so well, I taking the piss, you know, and but yeah, they supported me for months while I was just still making nothing and then eventually I managed to find That worked and yeah, I'm just I'm just really grateful that they provided me that opportunity to keep trying and yeah now it's just it's just nice to know that they're proud of me for what I do and they they don't want me to go into that conventional kind of job lifestyle. Yeah. So where are men like a lot of a lot of gifts we have on our early 20s show. It's very rare to have these the supporting the support that you that you guys had a lot of the stories that we hear is people going off beat and then they have to get to a certain level for the parents to believe in them. So interesting with no no real segue. I want to ask a random question. It's worth. I think you might be asked this quite a lot since you travel. What's the craziest travel Story Each of years. Too many too many crazy travel stories. Now this might sound a bit braggy British. I'm gonna I when I went to Sweden and I took a trip to Norway where I invited my mom is well, this was in the fjords. I saw folks and these are the cliffs and there's like these small waterways, right and the big Cliffs. I saw people base jumping out of it, right and these are you know, specific parachutes and you just jump off a cliff and this was when I was 17 years old. And I realized wow, I didn't tell my mom that I want. What did you do it, but then I realized when I took a trip to Ecuador, I can go to and learn skydiving specifically in the US where it's more safe than other parts of the world and there is a track to do it and I always have it in the back of my mind to go learn how to skydive solo. And so I've and and that and then I go back and I feel you know, it is one of the craziest things that I am very happy I did and I continue to do so is jump off a plane with your own parachute and be in that space where you want to feel the fear, but the same time accepted and it's amazing because it teaches your lot of these life lessons and I didn't tell my mom after that till from the 21st chump and she doesn't watch my videos anymore, but I That was probably one of the craziest things I've done and my father who's been in the Army. I've always updated him about the status and he's like, oh that's good. God of I won't tell Mom and so he's always been of support which I'm excited about. So that's a quick my story couple of questions. So I went skydiving earlier this year like a month ago in Dubai in the Palm. It was a lot of fun. It was amazing. It was liberating when you jump off of playing you are only in the moment. So but this quarter ER is someone so they don't teach me Teach time anymore. But I plan on doing typing in the third quarter when it's winter here. So did you jump off a plane and beliefs and like on the Great Blue Hole? It's a great question. I was really thinking about it. So interestingly my last few months I spent in Merida. So Mexico is a very big country and I divide and like conquered it like method to the madness. Right? I saw you inside leader, which is amazing. And then I went to Mexico City, which is a Using City, I'd always go back. It's amazing great food. Great people and then I'm like hmm. There is Playa Del Carmen and Tulum and Cozumel and bellies and and there's this, you know, the blue hole and I've seen videos of people jumping out and I don't think I'm there yet. So it takes a lot more jumps and practice before you can land on water. So the first step of the process is a FF which is accelerated Free Fall, which is seven jumps and then you get the a license at 25 jumps. Soooo, and you start diving so lonely after 11th, and then you get your be license, which is watered water landing. Only after fifty-plus jumps in you have to give the tests and this is with the USP a u.s. Parachute Association. And so I wasn't ready to land in water, but that's continuing to be dream even including the Dubai Palms, which I can it's just one of those long-term dreams having That on Thousand jumps before you can jump. That's right. Now you do jump Solo in the Palm without a thousand Chomps exactly. I jumped under went a sticker. I have a friend who's taking the license and now he's also going for a pilot's license. So so you can leave the plane when he jumps. Yeah, that's the idea. Yeah. It's amazing because ten years ago. This was a very expensive Sport and I felt like, you know, it's possible for me to spend this money and do that and I invested in a parachute and I want to continue doing that and it's more accessible to more and more people. I often tell people it's for those who this is not for people who it's rather for people who believe in calculated risk, and it's just an adventure. I don't know if I might do it a long term because I can do it when I'm young and single and I have but sometimes I think about it my power when I think about my mother I feel like, you know, maybe I should be doing this long because since it's such a risky thing. But I'm glad I did it was the first jump was I spent days thinking about it a lot of the struggles in your mind and meditation helped and I realize now I love doing it with other people. I'm caught. I'm confident enough doing it alone and these formations that you can do with other people. It's amazing specifically from an Indian context. This came about after watching that movie. Yeah ZM D now. It's like you know what? This is possible to write why not and interestingly. I think the actor is actually a solo diver to know for on. Yes. He is and he's learned his solar diver in some of these locations. So why not? Right and he can sit fly which is like you sit you sit and you can fly that's like you got to go a few more stages, which is exciting to see You're so fun fact skydiving is 3 times C for In Scuba Diving most more people die scuba diving every year. So skydiving is very safe base jumping is very very dangerous. I think one in 200 people died doing the farc that's intense row. Yeah, and if you're your craziest travel story going to say I guess I'm pretty lame. I don't really have one man. Yeah. I've been lucky. Travel to a lot of places like psycho down death Road in Bolivia. That was pretty fun. It's just like it's kind of sketchy cycle route and Bolivia and along the mountains. It's because Bolivia is pretty high. It's like a few thousand meters above sea level and Lopez and there's a cycle route Called Death Road, and it's normally pretty sunny when people do it and the day we did it. It was super heavy rain torrential rain and fuck we got absolutely. Sorry. I just it's warm. It's pretty bad. But we got we got absolutely blasted with the rain and we we managed to get to the bottom after a few hours. It's like 80 kilometers in total and then I'm Mini Bus got stuck on the way back. So we had to spend the night on this minibus on death Road. And yeah, it was a real a real bonding moment between all the other tourists packed on board. And yeah, we didn't know if we were going to we're going to make it back, but eventually they put us up in this random hostile in the smaller Bolivian town and we Dripping learning code but yeah, we made it in the end. But yeah, I mean, I'm lucky to have been to a lot of different countries and seeing things but nothing too crazy to be honest. Maybe I'm maybe I'm too chilled as a person. I need to I need to jump into some more action at this is interesting. I think and he's one of the good Surfers that I have seen when I was in Bali he used to be up at 6:00 a.m. The guard some of the big waves and this is Father. This is further out in changu and And jungle is known for beginner waves when you are in the first hundred meters, if you go further out, it's like some of these big waves and and he's really good Surfer. So he used to wake up at like 5:30 take his bike and figure out a surfboard and then be out in the water is that I used to tell him Andy. I don't know if I could wake up that early in them in the morning and or do I make these amazing waves, but please can you wake me up. He tried a couple of times and never been it after Any any questions guys, we can move into the final questions certain God of you touches upon the things that you sort of did not like in terms of when you were answering the fact that why have you decided to sort of set in Long? What about you Andy? What did you think was out of the like any small points that you face problems on or something something like that, but you I mean parts of this nomadic lifestyle that you did not enjoy for you. So yeah, I'm sure I'm sure you are the pros outweigh the cons and that's why you decided to do it. But what do you think are the consulate? Yeah, I think there's definitely downsides to The Nomad kind of lifestyle that people tend to brush over when you just research it online and stuff. Like I think the main one is just having a base group of long-term friendships and family around you because that can be quite stressful, especially when you arrive in a new place, you know, you wake up and Just like where am I getting? You have to remind yourself? Okay. I'm here and you quickly realize that like each day is what you make of it, you know because you don't have that network of friends that you know are going to be around to hang out or whatever at the weekend. So you really have to put yourself out there and for someone that's like a bit more introverted maybe and a bit more reserved like you really have to make the effort to go out and meet people and like I guess the the upside of that is that like on the days where you do like you do bond with people and you end up going out for a really nice meal. It's like it's really amazing feeling because you realize that you did this all on your own, you know, like you're in this situation enjoying this meal with friends or you're out having fun and it's completely your own doing, you know, you didn't you weren't just here because your friend invited you or something. It's just like this is like, I'm just so I'm just here because I made I made this life for myself and similarly if there's Is where you're not feeling so up going out and doing stuff. Then you you realize that. Yeah, you can just spend all damn bad, but you're going to feel crappy if you do that. So it's a you were I guess you kind of realize that life is completely what you make of it when you're doing this like living in different places. And yeah, I guess the downside to the temporary kind of life is that you don't have that safety net to fall back on of I'm just going to hang out with these guys at the weekend because we always hang out anyway, so you really have to put yourself out there and unfortunate self to to meet new people and the the friendships that you make are really worth it in the end. And yeah, I think it can really it develops parts of your personality that you otherwise would just not even bother to try and work on if you're just comfortable in a life back home. Yeah, that's interesting. I think the community aspect is very important and and it is growing and you'll find people who are in similar experiences in the same city that you travel to the other thing is also having a good work schedule and an idea of how work gives meaning to you and he has it because he's working on some very interesting things and for me it was working with people that I know who are way smarter than I am and working on a product. That is the very But has initial traction and so work give me meaning when there are days where you feel like shit where you don't feel like waking up sometimes and that those days come and it's true whether you're living in a normal City long-term or even your nomadic and so it's important you open that discussion up is well, especially because when you read articles is Andy mentioned, it's all oh this is amazing. Everybody should be doing it. There are these not so nice things or things that you have to accept before you get it. Embark on it. Where do digital Nomads Network digitally? Is it on Nomad list or Facebook group where to find you guys if I'm going to Newtown. How do I find out who's in Bali or and how do you just stay connected? Yeah, that's a great question. I think there are new communities coming up like the remote here and Wi-Fi tribe and I even thought a hacker Paradise. These are specifically for software engineers and you'll find people who are in the hackers as part of that community and I saw them in Lima and it was really interesting. So that's one the second is for me. It was always I went to a new place where I knew somebody who I can get introduced to and this was because I knew folks in The Chiang Mai's and ball he's who I asked. Hey, I'm going to Medellin who should I meet interestingly Medellin is the digital Nomad Hub in Latin America specifically because there is no Matt Cruz that goes between Medellin and Europe I think twice a year and back and I met so many folks in Marine who I met in other parts of Latin America just fascinating and so there are you can ask anybody I'm going to the specific Town, who should I hang? Out with who should I meet and it's amazing how connected the world is they'll tell you and the people who you go meet in the new city will also come and give you the ropes the first and the second day but interestingly some of these are easier to find now you can find an Airbnb for a couple of months. You know, there's a we work you go in and you realize handy I'm seeing you again in this part of the world. It's fascinating. So those are the communities and it's and it's growing Yeah, I mean the world is a big place but a lot of people doing this remote lifestyle end up in the same few places because of sites like Nomad list and these kind of for anyone that doesn't know Nomad list is basically a website that lets you filter and find a place to go and work based on whatever priorities you have. So you can search based on air pollution cost of living Wi-Fi speed ratio of girls to guys and area like, it's really it's really impressive this dude Peter. Has built this website and is the super popular website for deciding where to go and work and I think yeah changu in Bali which is where we met. That's currently the number one spot on there and places like places like Medellin and Mexico. They're pretty high up. But yeah, it's a really good really good tool to find places to work for the Indian people listening to the podcast. It also takes care of your Visa situation. So if you can put your country there will tell you what country you can visit Visa free cool. Yeah, so moving to the moving To The Meta question and and I Outsource this question to our mutual friend Karishma and I asked Karishma. What are some interesting questions that I should ask God of shoes. Like ask him has he has he has he been able to process the whole experience yet? And I want to ask you the same question because you're moving around like every four months. Are you able to process the whole like like what you learned and how you're moving ahead. Do you have that time to do that? Yeah, this is interesting because I just moved to Singapore not more than like six weeks ago and I feel like I'm here only for the next couple of months because of the way I've been running the last few years when I moved into the new house I hear for the next couple of years. I'm thinking twice about buying plants or buying something that I you know would not use exactly right and we Minimalist like if you see Andy, he's just on one bag. And so it takes a while to realize you need a little more things. You can make it feel like home feel like you and that's actually the beauty of it too. And so in takes a lot more time just like Andy mentioned to move to a new place but a lot more time to kind of figure out your routines and make it feel like home. So I'm still processing that I'm not landed this. Lane yet, I think this would take a couple of months a whole quarter at least but I'm okay and interestingly when Andy was here is the first person I'm talking about my nomadic life after I settled I'm like hmm. This sounds exciting again, but I deliberately made this choice and I'm very happy about it and it does reduce the freedom. Ways but it opens the depth of this kind of the rooted life that you can experience, which I'm looking forward to. Yeah, I think it is. It is sometimes hard to reflect and take stock of where you are when you move around so much but I think that the time that I spend at home each year, maybe a few months you chairs definitely time where you know, you reconnect with friends and family that you've known since you were little and you really evaluate your time what you've been doing the last few months and yeah the friendships that you make the last the distance low my friendship with go for example, like you take those forward and Each place you go. Even if even if you don't like it so much. You still pick up things that are going to last long term, like maybe you mean one or two people that are going to be your friends or you discover a new food that you really like. So yeah, I feel it's yeah, it's definitely hard to take stock of what you're doing when you move around so much but I guess that's something that I hope that in my 30s and 40s even I'll let look back and be like, oh, yeah, I had fun moving around because at the time it can be quite hard to really appreciate what you're doing. You know it. Feels like you quickly get used to whatever you're doing. So I've been doing this for a few years now and it doesn't seem that interesting to me anymore. But then when you speak to people back home who work in London or whatever all the time that all that sounds amazing such cool life. It's like I mean, I guess it is but I didn't really it's you get normalized to a very quickly, you know, like as humans. We just adjust to yeah, we don't we don't find things exciting very quickly. So I guess I just you get used to it, but I hope one day our Reflect and appreciate that. It was really good Adventure. I've been looking to living out of a hotel puts for the past two months, and I'm also buying and I'm also buying furniture now and I think it will be me down and I love to be here for a while to ensure that I make use of the furniture. So yeah, that scares me is well buying furniture. Yeah, they'll move to the last question. I was saying we should definitely touch upon any travel hacks that you people might have. Like if any because I am a given like the years of travel you would have probably traveled ten times more than I would have and I'm sure they would have if anything comes to mind. Yeah, great question. So be as light as possible Right the less you own the easier it is to move so but never forget the most Essentials for you, whatever it might mean. So for example interestingly, I carried my yoga mat which is manuka and a foam roller really small one everywhere. I went the second was a very light towel that is can quickly dry the microfiber. Actually, I had this Roost stand for my MacBook Pro where I can connect it with another keyboard, but it made me not type away. You know, the the new keyboards are not that great. Exactly. And so that is really really helped me. I always carry a phone which has double Sim because every country that you go to you can get a local Sim, but you still have your home country's number. What as also really helped me is invest in different layers of clothing because I remember being climbing Cotopaxi which is regularly high mountain, but I didn't have enough layering button. So thankfully invested in like low-level layering, which is like really powerful and you can rent the rest and I carried it because sometimes you're in really cold weather, please sometimes your index. Necklaces, and so it's not a lot if you think about it and people are surprised when I tell them, you know, this is the bag that I carry and it's super utilitarian interestingly. One of the challenges about skydiving is you have to pack your own parachute without supervision before you get the so-called are license and I realize the powers of packing if you roll a towel right and you can snuck it into like the corner it takes way less space then. Like you putting it like a shirt and I could I realized I could fit in like 20% more and I dreaded packing, you know the days before you leave a city and you move to another it feels not again, but this change my framing of packing. I'm like my can actually fit so much more I could do all of my stuff in one hour before I could travel and I felt like that really helped me move. He's the process of it anything for you and Travel hacks. I mean I get I get super obsessed with packing as light as possible. So I think that the first thing is to choose a backpack that's going to be ideal for you. So if you choose a really big backpack, you're just going to fill it with stuff that you maybe don't need. So choose one as small as you can go packing cubes are your best friends as well? So you can put all your t-shirts roll up all your t-shirts put them in a little packing Cube for them down. I like waterproof sacks as well for storing all your stuff. Have a little waterproof sack for my electronics. And yeah, just I just try and pick everything as light as possible to be honest. I've recently got really into the bum bag or Fanny Pack. They're very they're very unfashionable devices, but they're very handy, especially when you're just going to use in your early 20s, by the way. These are more like older people using this but and he's British. They're not very cool. But especially we don't have zip Pockets. It can be stressful moving through an airport. But you know, you can you can hide it under a baggy t-shirt. And keep your passport wallet and everything in there. Yeah. That's my that's my life Pro tip. Yeah, I think that would be super helpful for all fellow Travelers of there. Yep. The the yeah, I didn't get gani might have a lot to learn from this podcast actually because he travels quite a lot and over the last couple of years has been traveling all over Europe and and we're also planning a trip to Brazil actually sometime this year. They are sometimes this year. Hopefully we are we have no idea. But we're going somewhere. We're going somewhere. So we're thinking like we should do one trip per year last year. We were in Sri Lanka before it before drying towels found very useful. Yeah before before wrapping up the podcast that this is the last question. We ask every guest of ours and it's what's what's one advice for one piece of advice. You would give your own 19 year old self looking back. I would say Say I was studying at that time when I was 19, so she's entering my second year of study. I would say go on the The Gap here that your University encourages you to take. So a lot of universities and Europe have Erasmus programs where you can go and study in another University and all my friends. Who did it had an amazing time and I guess that's one thing. I regret about University not doing that. It gives you the chance to pick up a new language whether it's Spanish or French and yeah, and you don't really have to do Much work. You just have to pass a fairley's like write an essay at the end of it or something after one year's work and that just seems like a really amazing experience where you get to meet a lot of like-minded people and yeah, I guess doing an Erasmus is my one regret from my University years. That's a good piece of advice the specific advice as I look back for myself would be no on the lines of think kind of more long-term because thankfully I was part of the technology industry and I knew there was taking off and that's something not I did not because of my parents wanted me to do so, but I realized I had like an interest and I Where it was taking me, but again, it was a leap of faith decision that kind of led to all these things. Right? It's likes balance between like really jumping into something but also thinking of the long-term consequences of it, especially in a chair in a world where things are changing so fast, the second is in the lines of it's less about you really working hard and that is really important but also about kind of the knowing interesting people. And you know often finding a job or finding the next amazing co-founder or finding a great idea comes from meeting interesting people and put yourself in a spot whether you are like an introverted or extroverted person because it has really helped me and I wish it could have helped me more where I just went out MET these people who are doing interesting things and it's amazing how they can help you. This can be strangers. But also, you know friends you asked. Can you please introduce me to this person because They seem to be in the same industry and I can take advice from them. Maybe they wouldn't reply but the folks who do if you meet them and you show the interest can really change your career. This seems very cliche. But the this specific advice for me is so Jonas who I met in University who I tend to work the last five years gave me the opportunity to go to remote and this was when in time where it wasn't conventional it wasn't oh, this is what it means. But I was happy to be given that opportunity and actually LED for me to do all these things and it was the could not have happened if I didn't say hi to him because he was doing some interesting hacking thing and one of these events and any of us, right, so just get out of the way say hi to people especially in early twenties because you never know how they can change but it feels a little uncomfortable. It's it's pretty interesting where it can take you thanks for sharing that in fact to and is 2 and this piece of advice. It's very Different from Indian culture we're taking a gap year is like you're putting yourself down. It's very it's completely 180 super interesting. Yeah, to be honest. I in my when I was like when I decided to go for my University, I never even thought of like taking a gap year or something like that and I currently I'm in London and I've already met like so many people who have done that like probably again because they did the universities in Europe in European setting but I think is just a is just this is just something that will come to Indian culture slowly. But I think it's definitely required because people in probably come with economic freedom. Yeah, but but I think I think even lot of people Social Security in it. I think even a lot of people who are not sort of press Don so like owning for their family just go for like it's a given that oh, you'll do complete your school and then you go for University. We're in I mean it's a it's a different. It's a different world. Really, I mean outside India in terms of competition and yeah. No, one Indian listeners, please watch these two movies three idiots and wood on the in this movie in which the guy says that a child is like a fixed deposit. So you spend 18 years and after that you need to get like some significant returns out of it. Yeah. That's true. Anyway is this is a super super interesting podcast man, very different to the ones that we've done so far because a lot of our network is sick similar Tech guys out of our college. So yeah. What interesting thanks for thanks for coming on the show very surprised by how this turned out within within a span of 24 hours and how everything worked out. I think when you're going on your flight tomorrow, you'll remember remember this trip. So yeah, thanks. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for having us man. It's been really really fun. Yeah, you guys are doing some amazing things and we have to be there. Yeah when she Bonkers when spoken in waiting for The podcast you probably said why not? Yeah, exactly. I think John she was like I did this podcast and I was introducing and Andy to see bunker and he's like hmm. This could be interesting. So is it was a leap of faith on his side on your side's it was a leap of faith on our sides. It's amazing where it let us do so we are very happy to be here. I'll link all of your Social Links not and he's because and is not social media guy, but I'll link god of Social Links in the show notes, and anything that has been discussed in the show notes as always. Thank you audience were tuning in. See you next Sunday. Bye. Bye. You can't take this away from me the way I hear the melody the waist bring Clarity running through me.

It takes a lot more courage to say, "I don't know, but I'll just give this a shot" and that is very very important. -- Gaurav  On this episode of the Early Twenties podcast, we sit down with Andy & Gaurav, two digital nomads who have been living the nomadic lifestyle for the better part of the last 3 years! Gaurav has now settled into a one-place lifestyle in Singapore, while Andy is still moving around every three months and is currently based out of Bali. Gaurav & Andy first met in Dojo Coworking in Bali, and then have travelled to Mexico together -- all while Gaurav explored the Galapagos in Ecuador, learnt Spanish and travelled through Latin & Central America, while Andy skied in the Alps and surfed in Bali! We talk about their remote work lifestlyes, how they view the early twenties as the time to explore, discuss the not-so-good aspects of living as a nomad, and also peek into a couple crazy travel stories! The whole discussion centers around the theme of "Taking the leap", which is good advice when it comes to skydiving, but honestly, it scales really well to almost every aspect of life! If there is one Early Twenties podcast you have to listen to, this is it! And as always, we are looking forward for your feedback(both the good & the bad!) -- shoot it our way, we are @earlytwentiespodcast on Instagram!

Hi and welcome to data futurology the podcast for that enthusiasts data scientist and upcoming data science leaders to learn the skills required to take your career to the next level. We do this by learning directly from current leaders and Executives influencing and making a better industry today. My name is Felipe Flores. I am your host and thank you so much for listening. If you are a first-time listener welcome. I hope that you check out some of the other episodes. And enjoy them as well if you have been listening for a while then thank you. Thank you so much. And I hope that you enjoyed today's episode 2 today. We'll be speaking with you Velma ROM and what can I say about your well, I really admire. The guy he is a formidable presence in the data science Industry in Melbourne, Australia until recently he was head of data science at I select and they're built an extraordinary team of fantastic data scientists doing excellent work. And he has also found time to help run that assigns Melbourne meet up and also the our user group in Melbourne, really really amazing work you are has recently moved to work in a start-up is very secret at the moment, but he tells us about the rest of his journey and how he got where he is. It's a really great episode and I hope you enjoyed hi, this is sleeping today. I'm sitting with your well, how are you doing? Mate? Good. Thanks. How are you? Great. So great. Thanks so much for making the time. Thank you for being on the show. So I'm very excited to have you on the show today. Thanks for having me. All right, very excited. So tell me how did you originally get into the data space? What was it that helped you in and and brought you into the area, but both my parents are statisticians. I had it at home. There was no choice. I got to UNI and studying stats in computer science. And because I had them to help me out of it quickly just fell in love with it. Just what you can do with data and just wanting to get better at it and know what the tools are and solve real problems pretty early age. I was pretty clear on it. So SEO growing up. Did your parents show you examples of where to apply statistics. So how did they get you excited about the field as you were growing up. Do you have any memories from that? I think was more was I started going to Union? I got to understand because they are condemned Excel got to understand the world of it and seeing what we were able to achieve and the kind of areas are the well because they've done be of Consulting kind of areas like health education where they've been able to make a difference by using statistics and showing actionable insights. So yeah. Yeah, definitely piqued my interest. I don't know them explicitly remember as a kid. Yeah, but I'm sure things happening in and I was hearing things. Yeah influenced some seeds there. Yeah, but that's great to see the impact of stats in different Industries while I CUNY while studying at seeing what it could be. Definitely it's not new. There's a lot of focus on right now, but this stuff is but we're doing it for a long time and good idea to do a double with computer science. Yeah. How did you come to that decision? So there's also actually Background in the family as well. So that Drew my interest because I started programming when I was six seven. I loved it. So the combination is really what got me excited. So the being able to build stuff by using programming skills and making good use of data to find interesting inciting actionable insights combination of the two is for me was the explosive combination again, it was very clear to me that I wanted to be doing both and luckily, you know, there was back then already the word degrees that could offer them. Of course, they want to call data science, but it's Lucky joint computer science and statistics. It was I love it. So good. What did you program when you were initially was Pascal very very early days moved in to see so University yossi. And as a kid, what did you build on Pascal? I will see some gains the spaceship games we get to shoot the spaceships going across the screen. That's how I learned. Yeah. My dad just bought me a PC and a book that taught you Pascal and it's part of the learning the exercises were to design game to build this game. So as a kid, Of course he wanted to get to get to the end so you can actually do it. So I was very motivated. It's kind of a got me started and I realize I was very passionate about it. That's so crazy. Oh, well Donna especially to do the graphic side. I think there would have been yeah. Yeah, it's pretty basic but still yeah. Yeah, I know dis me graphic stuff. That's great. So then you study statistics and computer science and after the bachelor like what happen next? So at the end of my bachelor, there are a couple of units on neural networks and decision trees. That was my first exposure to machine learning and AI or raising and I just loved it so much again just fell in love. So I definitely to do a PhD so I chose to do a PhD in AI. Yeah, that's really all I was looking for and preferably overseas and I stumbled on to the University of Edinburgh a I was kind of born so they still had a department of AI back then and there was a someone was looking for a PhD summer to do a PhD in robotics as like, yeah, that could be challenging. Didn't have any interest in robotics up to the end but knowing how much data a robot senses with all his senses and how messy that data. Is that Drew me to going there because I knew it'd be a challenge some real messy real world data to play with and you do some AI That's why I did it or how did you end up picking that University and that supervisor or there was an opportunity. That's yeah. There was an opening so like that in bright heard about it. I was visiting there my parents were living in the UK the time as well, so it's kind of nice too because with him again, it was clear that any Brad was one of the leaders in AI research. Yeah, as I said I had the opportunity was there there was a lecturer at one of the researcher. They're one of the student to start in this area Robotics and it sounded good I went for it. And what was your specific topic during your PC? It was in an area called social learning which is applying machine learning to robotics inspired by social learning in biology. So trying to mimic how humans and other animals learn by being in a social environment as other people in the environment. And that are more experienced than them as a kind of basic idea. So and idea here with robotics is that instead of programming engineering to the robot what to do at different times give it a capability to learn to observe other things around it, whether they're human or robot teacher new training to do basic tasks by observing the teacher and so it knows how to observe the teacher and how to copy how to imitate the teacher and while it's imitating in about time. You got the machine learning algorithms that are associating my environment with what I'm doing as a out of imitating. So the next time I mean in the environment again under the same conditions without a teacher I know what to do. I know what actions to take and that's how humans learn by observing. Yeah, it's her animals thing. So that research team was very heavily influenced by biological systems. There's quite a few projects in the team around how to apply our animals learn to behave to robotics. There's a lot of confusing projects there was fun. So I got to learn a bit about LG psychology as well. That was Eddie that's right for you advance actually like Was this so this was in the end of the 90s so now yeah, really Advanced especially to combine sort of vision Translating that to the data machine learning and then applying it back in in similar settings. Did you run an experiment? Yes, I did. So there's some simulated experiences and physical currency. The department had a robotics lab with technicians and Engineers, are there three or four five robots. And so the experiments were pretty basic even though we have the the robots the hard way, they still weren't as capable as they are today. So things like avoiding obstacles trying to find light sources food some of the more advanced Labs were in other countries. We're doing more advanced experiments like playing drums and juggling. They're the kind of task that people were looking at back then so it was a good we had a lab with these robots and we could set up experiments watch the robots move around and recording things and do the research. That's great. And what did that period of your PhD what it did it teach you? That help you throughout your career how they've been pointing in Korea that you look back and go. I'm really glad I did that because I got this what would some of those things but the main ones are being independent. So as a PhD, it's a minimum of three years. Some people take longer. Mine took five of it's just you you have teammates colleagues working on their projects and you put your supervisor, but it's largely just you on the project your PhD, so it definitely teaches you to be independent to time manage project manage be coming into it. A lot of people straight out of uni, you don't have those Kills, so yeah, that's a big one. Another one is to be critical. It's probably the better one the more important one to be critical to think critically not just of other people's work, but your own difficult. That is a skill. I think it's one of the main benefits of doing a PhD, of course, if you want to become an academic you have to do a tasting but if you don't these are some of the skills that you carry through regardless of where you go, that's the two main ones that I look at. That's really good. And once you complete your PhD, where did you go? So then I moved back to Australia to do some more research. At the end towards the end of the PHD. I kind of started to suspect that Academia is not for me. And so I was that sorry. Yeah. Sure. This is something that I talk to a lot of academics and phds about that. I recruit Academia is all about Innovation. So if you're not advancing the field you can't survive and I realized that my passion wasn't necessarily in inventing new things. But rather in applying solutions to interesting problems. How's the main insights? Really and that's what I say to people that's the main differentiator there's others, but that's the main one. It's very Competitive and it takes a long time to be rewarded. So the life cycle is quite long without having a paper published or heading a grant proved often you get recognition for work, you did two years ago or six months ago if you're lucky and it's quite difficult to keep yourself motivated like that. As I said at that time. I started to suspect that and I thought okay. I'm also the confidence to going to business. So I'll get a research position that has some kind of industry elements to it a to give me more Students that I can do it and be some more employable at the end of it. So I took a research position at Monash University in natural language processing and it was an industry like a project that's down in collaboration with industry. So the business partner there was HP and we did some work on trying to automate email interactions in a call center. It was very interesting project. Yeah that had that kind of real world connection. So do that for a few years and how are you going about solving that problem back then? What did the approach looks like? We kind of focused on the 80/20 rule where 80% of the questions are the same variations of the same thing and there's book standard answers to them. So you don't need a human to provide those answers you can automate that the more difficult questions you need is a human form. So there's various techniques in NLP for doing this kind of thing. It's called question-answer techniques where you're kind of today Google does is very, well. You have a dialogue with someone you answer questions. You have a take turns answering asking and answering questions back then of course, it wasn't there yet. So It will basically broke down the emails into sentences. So they were there to the atomic units of information and then you can model when there's certain words in the question. We tend to see these sentences come up in the answer is we have a big Corpus of emails from going back five years or so and so you can see when these emails are submitted by users. These are the responses they get from the call center because they do a lot of copy paste as well. Right? So it's very strong signal, you know, that kind of that. So it was a good machine learning applied to text we predicted. From keywords. What should be the answers sounds a lot like search doesn't it? Yeah, it's the very similar but applied in a very specific domain. That's great. How long do you do that? That was about three years, you know, it's good example of you know, what I was talking about earlier about the rewards are slow. Yeah, we couldn't get papers published most of my time in that job and just when I left literally when I left everything started to come through. So we're heading a good Journal paper through some really top conferences and I actually had to go to some of those conferences after I'd already left the job. So it was nice to get the recognition of the end, but he is a slave. Yeah, so that was another key sign for me that it's not the place for me. Yeah, it was fun interesting that there that the incentives are so strange because it is super competitive. Yeah to become a researcher and academic and then super slow rewards and recognition interesting but very self-aware of you to pick up on that signal so early on the actual take steps towards something. Rent. And again, it's that drive to solve problems as opposed to innovate solutions that make sense. I realize my passion was installing problems using data on using machine learning the probably have to be fairly difficult. And the solution is in the selling to be Advanced. It's actually one of the key learnings of made it in my career after that in business. Yeah, but often the value that you bring to an organization is in solving pretty basic problem, but you saw them and you get the recognition straight away because you the business to the valuing actually, that's right Italy and reward you for it. Yeah. They're here to feedback or through the opportunity. It's very satisfying correct because you get to see the impact of your work quickly. Yeah, what are you use on the industry today? How those two sides are focused on by most people in the other two sides. I mean the research Innovation piece of creating new things versus the applied side of solving problems with an existing tool kit. Where do you see most of the focus and The people working today and what are your views on the the two competing sides? I think they're much more aligned these days. Yeah, definitely compared to back then much more aligned now, we're seeing the two communities interact with each other much more. I think the birth of data science as a term has done wonders in that space because it's giving young researchers a job to go to the snow in Academia. This is not research, but that is appealing to them. So I remember when I was looking to leave Academia. I actually didn't know how to search for a job actually didn't know. To put in the search. Yeah, what do I put in? I'm going to bring machine learning. It's in the not produce anything back then it was analytics. That was why you looked for and I don't think it's as appealing to a young researcher as the scientist the word science. It's there for a reason it's not just fancy words because the roles have changed as well. There's much more openness thinking organizations to do research to do the science. It's brought the two communities much closer together and then other things kind of like informal Community networking events meetups. You see that Two communities now interact so seamlessly compared to before and not just the young researchers, but even the experienced academics, I think I'm or wanting to go to these events and interact with industry. Hope there's more of a Common Language and I think organizations are opening up to data science research then before even things like the fact that our is used in business that has been around for a long long time in Academia. It's a tool that businesses use Python the same thing. So all these things are now enabling Alignment much closer alignment between two communities, which is great. It's really good. That's really good. And how did you find your transition from Research into history? I think it was great was very smooth. I think to some extent it's the job that I ended up in had a lot to do with it. So my boss was very open to having someone like me there they saw the value of analytics. So it was called in the small enough company that you could do a few different things different ways. So it made my transition easier and all the reasons all the suspicions that I have. Were confirmed that I'm much more satisfying being in an environment where I'm not necessarily inventing new things about solving problems real problems with my skills with the tools that I know about. The one thing that I learned pretty quickly was to embrace Simplicity. It's one of the main pieces of advice I give to the assignment Embrace duplicity or go to Academia. Yeah, seriously to the point where in my first job I was mainly using Excel it hurt to start with but I embraced it. I was able to deliver value really quickly and significantly this Excel it's racing. Yeah, that's actually really good example of focusing on Simplicity. Do you have any other examples of when you coach somebody or Mentor somebody through help them get through a problem where they were not focusing on Simplicity and you help them sort of get there to see what a simpler solution could look like or what is the conversation that you would have with somebody that's getting stuck in the complexity to look to the Simplicity. I think later on, you know, I moved on from Excel and did a lot of work in. SQL in SQL and even building some basic models in sequence and you would get a young scientist going to use our house becoming the thing and I had quite a few conversations along the lines of I want you to try it first and see before you have to go to our mind using eyefinity. But if we cannot keep it, but keep it simple as keep it in database where everything is and we can productionize more easily and where other people can look at your code extended without having to know our because many of the problems could be solved in SQL including linear regression. You can cut it in secret. Yeah. We had quite a few. To some of my favorite models are very basic SQL model and that I've built such as had a model to predict the gender from someone's first name because it's important gender is a very good signal modeling. We can always ask the customer they gender is but we have many many customers thousands over the usual for whom we do know their gender and their name. So we've come across most famous another agenda. It's literally a model it scores everything by all the genders that it seemed it's very basic probability model. Very basic very powerful, but holding second will Real model behind it. So and this couple of others, you know, yeah, the value was quick and significant, but with basic techniques, it's difficult. Sometimes I think for our scientists to embrace Simplicity. You think they want to work on the advanced? Yeah. You really need to be clear about your relations. What will drive you are you in the right place? That's right. And what type of outcomes make you happy? Are you excited? You mentioned that your first job was in a small business. What do you think about that the fact that it was a small business did it? Many advantages that prepared you that give you skills that you use later in your career. And what would be some of those? Yeah. I think the advantages are it's easy to get stuff done and it's easy to influence. So I was in a row where my manager was reporting to the CEO and the office was still pretty small. I got to interact with the see a regular basis and with all the other key Executives and stakeholders. So I definitely told me about influencing and it's just basic stakeholder skills and being my first job you told me about how to be a professional in business as I thought. Her research environment, so just basic communication skills and interaction just interaction skills when your research you're surrounded by people who are equally kind of qualified and equally minded have similar skills, whereas in business because you've got your media team that you need to interact with other teams that are of course Very widely ranging in their skills and qualifications in the type of work related. So taught me how to work together with others compliment the different skill sets and then he taught me the basics of data in research you tend to get cleaned that right? Yeah. Doing the toy data sets so they taught me that first job taught me there. What's really out there? Yeah, the challenges of very data messy. Unstructured having to know the business process before you can really make sense of the data. That's a huge one. Yeah. Absolutely. It's something that definitely carry through rest of my career you to understand what's generated and if possible go to that place where the data is generated and be there see see how its generated see the process the business process is generated and then have the relationships with other stakeholders. You know about different parts of the organization how they hide works and was their development. I don't know if opportunities is the right word. But what I'm trying to get to is the fact that you had Direct access with Executives with the CEO that immediately lifts anyone's level thinking of professional thinking that you'd be looking at a business in a more holistic level. Did you feel at the time and I'm wondering because it was your first job and you straight away had access with executive order. Access to Executives at the time. Did you feel that you were getting a higher level perspective over business and business thinking compared to being sort of a smaller part of a bigger team does thing I realize it at the time but in retrospect yeah, definitely, but I actually it actually had the opposite effect on me. I actually felt like it was all happening too fast because I didn't have confidence in my technicals about time. Right even though I done the PHD I done the research. I didn't have the confidence in my technical ability to performing a business and I was promoted because my manager left I was promoted pretty soon after like a year after to be the manager of the team and I didn't like it. I actually left that job to take a step down. I felt I needed to be more in await my needs for longer before I can take that step. I am so impressed very self aware and very true to yourself and I've seen later on in my career. I've seen other people make those mistakes too. Especially my team have been things that I've been building warning people from doing that from climbing too quickly. Yes. I know it's tempting. Of course whenever she is there is so you can understand why this plenty of time to be a manager to be a manager and executive a whole career ahead of you. Yeah, it's important to be confident in your technical skills. And also have fun. That's why we're here, right? We enjoy the technical part of it more and so enjoy those years don't rush I've had to have this conversation quite a few times with people I've seen since then mentored and managed that is so great that such a great perspective what type of things should people aim to develop. During those years seeing as like in the weeds over that technical work that they're allowed to have this fun. What things should they be thinking about developing then that will help them later in their careers. They progress into management and higher definitely working directly with the data The Source it as close as possible to the source of the data that you understand the issue of data, but ultimately that's what gets in a way of outcomes is getting in that another eighty twenty thirty percent of time spent cleaning up that are getting it ready. For analysis modeling reporting. If you don't have a real appreciation of it, you're not going to lead that assigns teams effectively because you'll keep getting frustrated about why is it taking so long? Why is this you said this would happen this way and then I'm going another way. So until you really see the data that you even know what to ask sometimes. So having a print quality use with a rolled out as close as possible to the source the standing of the issues of dealing with build-up. So things like database key data manipulation skills SQL course, definitely in those first two, Oh three years. That's all I did is SQL actually learn a skill on the job. That's pretty much what I did. I was fortunate. I had someone to learn from it was amazing. Just think about how that are moves around what could go wrong along the way, you know the input so, you know, you want to build a model for you want to show some insights. So, you know, it's going to be an input and output but for you to draw correct conclusions you to be responsible with how you get there. You have a responsibility because you're the one is touching the data. It's no good saying, oh but the website broke or the CRM broke, so my fault this field usually As M for male and suddenly it's a male or yeah one one. Yeah, it's up to you to ensure that these things are accounted for those are the things you really need to focus on initially. Yeah to get the experience on what could go wrong building that input as you're saying exactly so that when you looking for patterns of how they predict the outputs and you can be confident about drew the right patterns out the right signal and they are predictors predictive models are reliable or that your insights the process of generating and sharing insights with a business. This is reliable correct that philosophy actually very clearly see how it has made you a much better manager than people who don't do that because then you're able to help the team the team can leverage your experience of years of identifying and working through those types of issues that you can feed that back but then as because you understand it, but it also isn't the problems as new ones come up from your team. You're able to take those with you. Yeah, you know what to look for that's the only way I know to look for and you know to make sure that I have looked at everything that needs to be looked at. Yeah, they've got the skills. They're asking the right questions are being inquisitive enough of the data and there are ways that I haven't missed. That's really great. How did you feel in those early days of your working career after leaving Academia? How did you feel about the Simplicity of the work back? Then? What I'm thinking is you came out of a PhD and Ai and Robotics to work a few years and NLP back then you know, so yeah, very Then yeah and then going into a job that was around Excel and then SQL at the time. How did you feel that transition initially it definitely it hurt quite a lot that I wanted to build the machine. Like I wanted to predict things and then show the company. Hey, look we can predict these things and therefore take action adapt personalize The Experience whatever it was and I know deep inside that's what I love. I love machine learning. I love using data and clever programming to use what's happening at pass to put it was going to happen. Ultimately my passion. I was looking for all these opportunities to apply machine learning but there was the what low-hanging fruits right there everywhere that had nothing to do with machine learning talked about embracing the Simplicity. I learned to embrace Simplicity because I realized I had other passions which were just using data. I thought my passion was using machine learning to solve problem. I have my passion was using data to solve problems. So there's lots of ways to use data to solve problems that aren't the advanced machine learning as passionate about that. But those areas where it took me a while to realize it to admit that to myself. Yeah, we're getting went back to recognition you get recognized quickly for this. Because we're adding value is time the low-hanging fruits are there and so you quickly and significantly provide value. It's rewarding. I was curious why you made the time and the space for that period And I was wondering if it was patients or something else and it sounds like it's because your results oriented. So the fact that you were doing this work that it can be seen as like yes on the simple end, but you do This work and you're getting the satisfaction from the results that that generating the positive feedback loop. Yeah, that's a really good way of putting it. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that's the key difference. If someone's choose between being in business of being in research some people thrive from Innovation from coming up with new Solutions new techniques, which is fine. We need those people very nice. It was others Fine Results find the satisfaction from to solving problems everyday simple problems. No, maybe not simple problems, but using Simple Solutions and making A difference making a difference in the organization. We are now in the background. Of course. I'll still hoping to eventually be doing more of the advanced stuff to I'm going to kind of let it happen organically quickly realize also that businesses in Australia. We're at that level of maturity yet. Anyway, there's a very few places that were doing stuff. So I realize that I have to be patient and just wait for it to happen and try to steal the looking for opportunities to identify areas where machine learning could be used but not let it get to me not religiously and not let it get to me if I couldn't find it and that worked. Yeah my next step after I took that step. Down was to join an organization. That was very mature. So a company called I select here in Australia have a digitally focused comparison company lot of data lots of customers in the awareness was there before I got it was obvious to me. I was actually looking I was quite happy where I was I wasn't really looking for a job by the time I met Tony Lang who was running the team at the time I met him at a networking event and he painted a pretty good picture of what they're doing is like yeah, I want to be there because the other thing I learned the previous job was that if you're working in a place that doesn't really want you it doesn't really want that. Ants because I understand it really sure what the value is. You just spend your time selling my boss. There was a lot of her time was selling the value in the previous row. Yeah, and I'm not a salesperson. That's not the decision I made back then was to not put myself in that situation if I can avoid it to be in a place where I have to steal the value of analytics. So when I learned about all they do with Arsenic and how advanced the awareness is. I had to go there and yeah there were already doing bit of machine learning then how old was I select I started to notice about 10 years and the analytics data science team. Two people and how long since they have been established now about two years, so I came in it was like you maybe you're too old and they were already able to implement a couple of models and business one of the more so interesting and in terms of the trajectory of the organization what made that organization different was there people that were selling early on in the organization's life or where people able to get value from data science or machine learning when the team started. What do you think? Were some of the factors that led to that organization having a high level of maturity with their analytics team. They were always very mature from a digital perspective and the person found it yet an engineering background. I think you just stumbled onto analytics and he realized he was just blown away the idea the concept record of engineering thinking helped. Yeah, so I thought I'd give it a go and got one person. They showed a very well it was still very organically using open source and just basic implementations without expecting much money. One software into many people to begin with it's very organic to showing the value of with one more than another one getting another person. Ultimately. It was born by the founder hearing about it yet reading about it believing in it. And then once you got depressed at the top as we heard many times before if it starts at the top, it's a good place. Yes, it's started. I represent very interesting and definitely the fact that it was a digital native really digital business would help but obviously it was a digital business because of the mindset of the people People who started as well really interesting and between that job that you go to management and left and after that when was the next time that you went up to management? So I was at that job for three years and when I moved to my select it wasn't management. It was a senior senior role but not management and I was there two years. I suppose I started to manage them as a junior and then my my boss left Tony left and I took over the team. So let me about all out five years between that first decision to step down and Event to get back to it. Then. I feel ready five years of solid technical experience Hands-On sitting at the computer getting it back backache. Yeah, you know not really speaking to many people but just Hands On Solid technical hands dirty with a dirty data data issues that experience of chasing up by T is ways that are why is it not doing this or that and see the data? So to the end of the life cycle of a model into end solid five years of that. I felt really to now I can lead function because I know about the issues so Ting and there's a few things that are particularly interesting one that I'm really curious about is the vision and the awareness that you have of looking at what managers do and what different types of managers are like or maybe more specifically but different flavors of management there are and what skills are required for those. So the fact that during those five years of doing the technical work, they're doing that time you're able to pinpoint that there's some organizations that need a sales. Person in that analytics lead role so they can educate and others that need somebody who is driving results. Where do you think that Vision or that awareness or that Focus came from? How were you aware doing that time doing the technical work? How are you aware enough to see those distinctions those different flavors of that managers and what's required. There's a very simple answer to that which is stay connected to the community. T be involved with the community because that's how you hear the different perspectives. But that's how you hear about what's happening everywhere else and one of your initial speakers you doing the Baton ski was big mentor of mine at that time and really influence a lot of my thinking they hadn't he'd already gone through a long journey articulated help to articulate for me how different businesses operate those levels of maturity. I think you still doing that today. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's definitely helped me in my journey a lot and it's not one person. It's you go to events. Yes. Speak to people. It's so so important of course networking is important get jobs. But that's one part of it. It's equally important for this raising that those levels of awareness and Visionary say to see the full bigger picture. You can only observe as much in the current company organizational your that's right your camera roll and you need to be observant to complete the picture you have to go outside and they'll science communities tend to be pretty small pretty tight. I think it's quite easy for us to network and to be a community. So it's definitely another one major piece. The advice I gave to data scientist stay connected to your community and also people in our space that are really nice. Yeah, I really open always willing to have a chat in to help and provide advice and it's a forum where you can get Advanced you can get complex talk about complex and advanced. Yeah Solutions and implementations with people who want to you don't have to simplify. Correct. Just a nice forum. And what did that look like for you that connection to the community. I assumed this was at least in part. It would have been before meter maid of yeah, well It prompted me to create the meetups. Yeah. So again Eugene's started the culture in Sydney. Now remember we started our user group and I remember talking to him and saying would you mind creating a video link? Because I want to be part of it. Yeah. He said to me good interesting idea. I'll have a look but why don't you start your own meet up? Laughs? Hello. So I did it. So I started the I use a group made up and then after that the data science, you know in Melbourne because it was I mean, there were some the word forums to network, but The more formal be more kind of had high end of professional scale more of the management certain kinds of Industries. Where as if we didn't have the Meetup didn't really exist back. Then that's kind of more casual open to anyone environment. We could just broke up in a jeans and t-shirt have some pizza and then we people like-minded people from anywhere any industry or any kind of organization any level both business and Academia. So we had students and lecturers business managers and analytics professionals anyone else. All right. And I think it really helped to facilitate those forums for people to be in touch with the community totally agree. And the thumb of the as in the media said you started there have been as a needle. They've been so successful but they're also been so helpful and so instrumental to so many people in the community from your perspective. What makes a good meet up. I've you crafted that cocktail over over the years. There's not that much to it Find the venue for people to get together but feels safe anyone can feel Confident turn up at that venue and it helps to have beer but definitely and food. Yeah, definitely but we do not always the meetup.com concept I think makes it available to people it gives them that it feels available as in safe if there's something that's come through there if you like. Yeah, it's going to be casual and not gonna get judged or I want feel like I'm competing or once you like how many seats are really being assessed or there are potentially interacting with the employees there for her. Be on my best behavior. Is there any more casual and I think I created I think it's just using the meetup.com concept. I need a venue finding speakers writing pieces and beers. Yeah, and at the event just being very honest and genuine about why you're there what the form is about and it just takes care of itself. I was pretty Blown Away by the response. Yeah to build both of them meetups still animal. I was a very blown away so clearly it was needed. It was a market for it. I think it's definitely helped a lot of people make connections. You don't necessarily go when you're looking for a job you go to Mike. Connections down the track if might end up in a job where I end up in a collaboration my land up in anything but you making friends. It's fun find one you learn about new algorithms you taking to hear about how people are solving problems that you're facing in a casual setting after a few years. We created some add-ons to the normal concept of a made-up such as an internship program hackathon what we call data Saint conference. So we kind of added basically can't take all the credit is very busy going often called feel brierly. There's a lot of the work. Very lucky to have him I know that the community is much better off running a lot of this stuff. It's always with it commuting one. How do we help the community? That's really good. Yeah, and the add-ons it's fantastic because so many people have gotten so much value from the add-ons and I know that for myself that the past job I built my entire team from the internship process of the data science Melbourne need up sounded fantastic as a process and very easy to find great people where did the idea for the add-ons come from? Just from issues that I was having myself. It's the same as you I was struggling to build my team and I think I accidentally had an intern once someone's done. Wanted to get some experience. Yeah, I realize well, this is something in this not just for me but for the community, it's a good model think it's a good model. Let's try it out. And so there's like a bottom up. Yeah. I had a problem that needs to be solved and luckily also I select was a very supportive over the Meetup willing to help actually and and also to help attend events and promote the program the attention We use it ourselves. I still use it. And I think it also addresses that interplay between Academia and business very very well. I think it's facilitated really well. So many of my interns were data scientist wanting to just finished a PhD or Masters and undergraduate maybe have done some research already for few years, and we're wondering whether they actually want to mix in transition like I did moving to business to celebrate that car transition for both sides really. Well, it minimizes the risk for both sides gives both. Both sides a test environment you set it up as a potential 6 months 12 months, whatever it is if it works out you got a bench to recruit from let's write some of these proven themselves so much talk has been about what we want as many phds as possible and I actually before I had the intention program I was scared of phds and I was one myself I would looked at very carefully very cautiously for the same the reasons we've already talked about. Are you really going to leave research for the right reasons often an offshore? You're not sure. So here we go. Let's give it a go. Let's test it. If you actually can end up with phds Masters well educated and qualified data scientists who have proven themselves that I can integrate into a business. In other words. They've learned to embrace Simplicity and have recognized that it's an environment that can be satisfying they enjoy that's right. I do have to say on I really admire the approach that you take that when you have a problem or a need you solve it for the community. That is fantastic so I know. No that on behalf of the community. I want to say thank you because that's that's made all those connections between people possible those job interactions those project collaborations those learnings and furthering your career that ability to see the contrast across different styles of managers that is coming up from different you and Phil and people like you guys when you have a niche for yourself solving for the community. So yeah, thank you. That's outstanding. Thanks for saying and I appreciate it. No, no. Along the way of help because people want it doesn't take much to bring people together. Yeah - you need to push it a bit. Yeah, definitely and let's go back to the time when you went back to management and your career. You said that at that time you felt ready what gave you that feeling? It's having the battle wounds of working with data, you know, I've heard you talk about the Imposter syndrome. So I felt like I know my stuff I know what I'm talking about. Now. I know what the issues are and what's possible to and I've seen some of the difficulties that my predecessors of I've had before me and I'm ready to give it a go. Now it helped that I was in a safe environment because I'd already been there for 22 years. I knew the stakeholders. I knew that I was in the company that wants me. I think they want that assigns. Of course. I had the relationships so much about being a leader is the relationships stakeholders. And so I knew that I could focus on learning how to be a leader because I didn't need to spend as much time on learning the people around me about developing the relationships because they were already quite developed. So I think if I was to go into a completely new Company in are all it would've been a different story by the said I was in a regardless safe environment for that kind of learning you me to learn how to be a leader manager having the battle wounds and the learnings from my produces. Any what was that journey of learning how to be a leader and manager. What was that? I'm feeling you I'm still on it and how has it been how easily the early days full of challenges different kinds of challenges naturally as data scientists. We prefer the technical we prefer to interact with computers. He's yeah, not with people do that's true. We're more comfortable. So it definitely takes you out of your comfort zone even in a place like isolate where there wasn't that much selling you are selling you are influencing you having to show the value constantly and you having to learn how to interact with stakeholders and with Senior Management Executives and how to be a manager to I think the most out of your team be efficient when you're facing the challenges of a good natural. We all the soft skills required you don't come naturally to us. E we need the more I think than most functions because we so little understood. Yes that assigns is not very well understood and so it's even more important that you are able to educate show the value all the time to everyone. So I struggle with that even though I had a guy the top totally yeah, what's the 40 and at times I didn't realize that I still needed to sell the value to the rest of the organization. I kind of took it for granted a bit is one of probably my biggest learning from being environment is to never stop selling many educated me. Means even if you think you already have I think in Australia, it's an unusual problem to have as most organizations you are or selling to an audience that doesn't understand. It doesn't see the know the value. So doing that first sale job was morning environment where the cell the first cell was done. It was more of a maintaining it is the stakeholders came and went we constantly have to be doing it. It's not your comfortable leaving someone you enjoy necessarily. That's right. I'm where their particular points that gave you that signal you get to a particular fork in the road that you said. I should have been selling more. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's one time another one of your previous guest Scott Wilson was a CEO. Yes, an actual couple of years. He also was absolutely sold on the only message. I was always very supportive and one point in time certainly know your key stakeholders. Don't really understand what you do. I'm going to set up a meeting with me and them and you in a room and just there's a deck PowerPoint presentation that you've used before just use that shelter. She said around a boardroom table and I presented for an hour and I could see it in their faces in their eyes when they Any drop to their suddenly I right. Yes, that makes sense. We get it and I was amazed. I've been working with some of these people for by then for two three years. Yeah. I was amazed that Penny hasn't dropped previously already. Yes. So Scott really helped me with that doing good probably brand the team and the function and if you realize that you can't take it for granted. I just assume people just understood because by then data science was part of the furniture. Yeah, long time. I just assumed everyone understood the basics obviously not the complexities but the basics but not so interesting. Yeah, you can't Stop. Yeah, so then taking that time as an example. So in that hour, I mean your PowerPoint presentation. Will you covering some of the basics things that yeah the basics of some of the tools that we've already built by then. It had some machine learning some predictive models optimization model and just at a high level. It's a standard deck that I used when we have new starters in a team or when I was presenting to the industry or to investors, but I hadn't presented a too many of my key stakeholders. Yeah all taken the time to Did you pay them along the way you really need to invest in the key relationships and not just the connections themselves, but their education when they prefer to be on the tools if an enemy is a tools. Yeah, as a leader you have to make that realization that you can't be under Tools as much how it all sometimes and you have to focus all your energy and time on the selling their relationships and fluency and I really like the you said focus on not only on the connection but on the education is well really want to dive a little bit deeper into that. What are the benefits? That you've seen of building that connection side because sometimes people approach it as where I work. This is a business relationship. We just need to sit down and you know, get get stuff done quickly. What is your philosophy? What is your views on that? You chose that word connection and education. How do you approach those two sides of the relationship the commission? Yeah. I think they're very important in relationships. I don't agree with that other approach is just business now in my experience relationships that made a difference So I was it isolate for about seven years and I've seen many different orgs structures organizational structures and I've learned that there's not one right organization structure. There's quite a few that work lots that don't work quite a few that work. It's more about the people and the relationships then about the org chart. A lot of people say we can't make this work because it reports to someone else so it's never going to work. I think that's just hiding from The Challenge of connections. If you have the right relationships, you can make anything work obviously Tejada in big organizations and smaller ones. Because big organizations often when you've got the physical limitation of space in different locations. It's more challenging but in my experience if you have their own relationship to get some good stuff that you can overcome a lot of obstacles just going over and speaking to someone as opposed to a nasty email or fame will identify actually we are on the same page. It's just that we didn't understand each other which you wouldn't uncover in an email but you would in a conversation and if you have that connection the other person's more willing for you to educate what you're trying to because again that assign has a feel is it still? Everyone understood moves around different parts of the organization has its finances its sales and marketing is it central or is it distributed is likely not and because of those ambiguities tensions get created and territorial Wars, you know, what finances and what HR is legal, but when you don't know exactly what data science is where it should be it creates tension points. There's only my mind the only way to solve this by watching on the relationships of the key people that can difference also. I've always focused I struggle with many other scientists in the sub skills. Don't come naturally to us. I've got a another piece of advice is get external help to speak out to mr. Find material. There's lots of good stuff out there to help that's very good advice and what are some of the ways that you build those relationships those connections you anyways, what is the what is the U and we do it depends on the individual lots of different ways. You could be weekly monthly coffee that's in the calendar or something more ad hoc. And making the effort to go over and joke around comment about something like stuff this basic things like that. And then there's how do you deal with difficult situations where this is where that's more. Well there is where you might get some tools. I don't think that this that's not unique to data science. But for the reasons, I mentioned earlier we tend to find ourselves in just tension points more because our field is less understood in our location in our organizations ambiguous and actually very good results. A lot of this stuff is Eric basic, I agree. Please tell me if I'm wrong here. It sounds like as a general approach you focus on investing in the relationship early and creating that connection where you have kind of like some Goodwill in the bank with the person and that then they feel like you are on their side you brought in the same team and if it does get bumpy at times or there is a tough conversation they immediately start from Point of view of your well soak after me. We're in the same team rather than on developing like approaches of communication or the tools side that sometimes for example, sometimes people take quite a formal approach in the discussion or they break when they need to break tough news to somebody that sometimes we become very methodical very formal. It seems to me that you're in the former Camp rather than the latter is that is that yeah, I think people are people I mean by that we are all very similar in our fears and Ambitions. My underlying operating assumption. Is that everyone turns up at a business are there for the right reasons and with the best intentions they want to make the business succeed. Of course, there are people who have their own agendas and they play political games and there is very hard to do anything then but you can't assume that are doing it. Let's be My Philosophy you have to assume the people of their good attention. And if this conflict often it's to do with communication breakdown in communication is supposed to intention but having Journey Listen shapes you can overcome those communication break it is you need to recognize that the other person is not that different to you tell yourself. This is what drives them. What makes them stressed scared happy excited put yourself in their shoes nine times out of ten that solves that that result conflict and it's all you can do the best you can aim for us and I have nine times out of ten and just recognize that the other times well, okay, it's going to be ugly but is fantastic from a rule of thumb perspective is difficult to get any higher benefit that neither 10 times, but it's also yeah having that input She is in great great way to begin to approach and to start all relationships and develop relationships from that point of view. Yeah. It's an approach I take in life. Not just at work. I think it's just part of who I am my values really good. And before you were mentioning about old structures and that there's obviously lots of different approaches some good ones some not-so-good ones. What are some of the the ones that you've seen or that you've developed that you like and that you've seen that they work well benefited from the past. I really don't think that there is Can point to one or two or three that work because also they could work today but not tomorrow because it depends so much on the actual people that are in those are extracting even the concept of a shared analytics service versus distributed know you have the analysts in the different parts of the business. We've tried the different ones there at isolate and I've seen in other places sometimes one works and sometimes the other even within the data science team, we try different things where you try to separate the different functions in providing such as your operational day-to-day Consulting service. Us Versus Them All RND so for engineering service, do you have them separate or together? They feed off each other so much try different things still aren't convinced that one works more than the other. I don't actually have an answer. Yeah, because this one or that one correct because there is no go to Y but for example in the Consulting versus R&D approach, how have you tackle that in the past? Have you had it shared as in Split time from the same person or people or separate people that do each other? So I've had the completely share that everyone in the team does a bit of elves and you just prioritize based on the work who's good at what who wants to learn what and what is the business name and a bit of split where do one or the other and I had a rotation model as well. You can move between them then it's not one that works depends on lots of other things again to me. The main thing is you can try different approaches can work as long as ultimately business once the functions they see the value in it and you've got almost a license to try different things and then it doesn't really matter how it structure as long as you provide the value and I will try the team efficient in my experience the shared model what the best more because the people like the variety the data scientists in the tape, they like the variety they feed off the learnings from different areas. And that's when you get the best out of people engaged motivated. It presents challenges of privatization was also in terms of the kind of the well-being of the team. I found that having everyone available to do everything is the best especially when their companies smaller. The team is smaller the idea. Yeah, of course as Scale up their nose those issues are privatization and resource manager coming to it. But if you have the support of the business and then they can trust you to run between the best weight loss and through that Journey. How do you balance the development of people and giving them new challenges versus getting them to stick to the knitting and spend more time on the things that they're good at or better than others where they can get fast results and have you had moments in your team where your fluctuating in the time that's given to both of those areas and airing on one side or the other. Yeah. Well, I definitely recognized early on that. You need to have the right balance and you need to experiment a bit with it before you get it right? It's a bit different for each person to but of course, you've got to be fair at consistency. So a couple of different ways one is the way that you allocate projects to people you make sure that yeah, you know just exploiting people's strengths but you recognizing the development needs and development interests exposing them to work even though you know, it won't be done as fast. Interns on board we constantly doing because you have to give them work and whether they're to develop you make conscious decisions all the time about this piece of work is going to take longer initially. Yes this person. So that's one way the other is blue become more extreme, which is actually allocate time in a week for developed. So we had a little thing called Kegel time Friday afternoon where the team knew they could turn their emails up block their calendars and that permission to do some fractions. We call the cable time many people wanted to do some cuddling. It was good wait for dinner together. Well pick a problem and do together and then something yeah, but it wasn't just gold they could do whatever they want. As long as it's something to do with a skill that can bring back but working on an area that just didn't have to be related. Of course the same loved it, but there was actually a strong value back to the company because people learn skills and learn about algorithms approaches that then plant we had a one of our data Engineers learned about python. So you went from zero to being a python developer just from what he learned at cattle time, and he learned about machine learning not enough to build. Honestly enough to be able to interact with the data scientists efficiently. So when they were handing in their models, he was able to have conversations the right conversation. So you learned about tightening learn about machine first grade. So that's just it's a great way to maintain our balance. Yes development and just getting on the job playing really interesting how much time would be allocated to Carol time on a weekly basis kind of varies, but between two and four hours on a Friday afternoon, sometimes we would kind of aggregated and do a hot date so we would kind of Up a few and then do I have day when things are busy? You can't turn off your emails. So it'll be times where it was those ups and downs but as long as me as a team leader made it clear to them that they have my permission to do that in knowing that they can make a difference but it's also how big was the team when you went into management to Leading it when I joined this three of us and I took over the 5 and by the end of 50 and how was that period of growth between 5 to 15? How's that period for you full of learnings both in terms of yeah, the stakeholder management. Business side of things and also in terms of being a manager obviously ups and downs and good challenges and mistakes successes that when I left it's pretty happy very proud of a good combination of here data scientists engineers interns really good also different levels senior Junior. Okay. I've learned pretty quickly to zip want to create a single layer. And if you don't run it especially scale to help so you can focus more the strategy and the stakeholder the influencing because you can be less Hands-On. That's right and from a from a team leader. A shape or Team Management perspective. Was there any particular or specific key lessons that you learn cleaner job. Yep. So as one of them, is that support layer. Yeah. See you later. I learned pretty quickly to get the team involved with recruiting interesting. Yeah. Yeah an early days. I don't know. That's my job. Yeah, that's nothing to do them. And I could have a couple of people in the existing people in the team resented me for it. Remember the pretty tough intense times not necessarily because I didn't like the person because they weren't involved. When Consultants I learned pretty quickly to evolve into the point where now or towards the end when we were recruiting for interns everyone in the team got involved with meeting and seeing their presentation helping the scoring selection. There was a queue Tony and I think it's because the sound is that you look for are passionate people. That's the number one. I think actually the you look for because it passionate they're passionate about a lot of things. It's not just about that a science you need to address that passion and that passion be translated so that to be wanting to ideas heard wanting to have An influencing the direction of where the this the team but the company is going we often have people who want to speak to the CEO one of the time with Executives even though they might not be ready for yet. But you can you get that yes important. Let's do it. I think the other thing I learned is to kind of recognize what kind of leader you are. We spoke about this a bit earlier to recognize other leaders, but recognize what kind of leader you are and have strategies the suit you and suited to each individual person that you're managing. You can't just make that stuff up you need to allocate times with to have a strategy it does. Always have to be complicated or anything, but just to be mindful of this think about this stuff and get external help ya try and find a mentor externally and internally to help what would be some of those strategies. What does that look like recognizing? What kind of personalities they are about to you? Yeah. And when do those personalities Clash? When do they work? Well together. There's very kind of methodologies out there to help with that one that I like is called disk D is see mean it's it's recognizes four personality types. Sure. Remember which one stands for Saudi dominant eye is influential accessibility and D is kind of see at the end. Sorry C is correct. Cautious option is incorrect yet, which is the analytical one. Yes. It's actually even though it's four things as a Continuum. It's actually like a it's literally a disk. We're like a circle we can be strong in a couple of things and we can others but you can place yourself on the circle and then you can place other people in the circle to and their strategies for people. More in the right hand side of the circle. How do they interact? Well people in the top left or bottom left or whatever and the clients. I find really actionable tools that they provide you this is one example, there's any other end I think it's worth investing the time and again, it's not something that you enjoy doing. This is a really I think it's really important. I learned that and do you remember what was your this profile? Yeah. I was I mostly S. I like this really I like to keep the peace. So I do tend to avoid predation, but it's also related. Add to running liking routine or that stability from like your day-to-day knowing what's coming. It's interesting because in both of those are very people focused because traditionally the I the interpersonal or influencer hissing kind of like I said the extrovert liking to hang out with people on the experts type and then the S is not necessarily an introvert. It's usually people that will go to the party will go to the Gathering they don't need to be the center of attention, but they like Getting to know people mingling and does it also be there to keep the peace to help resolve. Yes, where's the season had to be more dangerous, correct? So interesting, I do find this stuff interesting. It helps the him. My point is that it's worth investing in even if you're not interested in it, it helps like you can't ignore it. So interesting, so mine is driver Saudi and I your interpersonal exams very very closely aligned and for a long time. I was quite uncomfortable because I So the see as the analytical piece so I was like, whoa. What am I doing working in analytics? If I'm the another goal in this Behavior one isn't like a strong strength of Mind actually and you're probably D but close to the season. Yeah, I looking at I know quite a few data scientist already, so don't worry. Yeah. Good good, correct. Yeah, that's a really good point. It is important to invest in this thing another. Not my business to always focus on retention never lose sight of which many different ways different retention strategies because let's face it. The scientists are in hot demand and Recorders can be quite aggressive and it's quite a challenge to see youngsters get easily distracted by someone else's Shiny Toys distracted by money to but not a thing as much the hype doesn't really help in terms of you know, the big salaries that's not always the case, but I think it's not just the money. It's being distracted by someone else's shiny toys and when They're young they're susceptible to that. So you have to be mindful of it and make them realize to be conscious of it to and work on providing an environment where they wouldn't want to lose the best place possible. It's one of the pieces of advice I provide as well to Young Dar scientist while I accept that. It's important to try and different experiences when you're young it's also important to see things through not get so distracted. It's easy to think that something is better over there but facing the challenges where you are is equally important as a professional develop to face challenges and overcome them. And how to overcome them see things through and yeah recognize the good stuff. Yes, when you do that is very true. Seeing things through that gives you a lot of learning and really solid experience because I have heard people in the past say I need to look for another job because I already know how to use every platform technology in the team, but that's usually very short for this is too frustrating the doubt as to my CIT keeps getting in the way or our stakeholders just don't understand this and it's easy to just give up and think they're little going to be better somewhere else or you hear that someone's doing something cool particular technology that they're using or certain kinds of machine learning that they're doing only to get there and realize that you know, they don't even have a proper bi environment. It's easy for the youngsters to get disillusioned and distracted having the discipline. Is this a challenge like something I mentioned in your current organization like the data is always to miss you. I think it's getting it's a good idea to work on us find ways to overcome them because most organizations have those same issues. So I try to encourage them to see Through and embrace the opportunity to learn develop from not give up too easy to quickly. It's really great advice as awesome you are that is an excellent note to end on this has been outstanding. Thank you so much for your time and for sharing all your wisdom and all your learnings. It's been truly fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you. It's my pleasure. Thanks for having me. You're going to be chatting to you. Are you to thank you so much. Thanks. 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But but first our quote of the day, we think happiness is a destination when it's actually a starting point it enables all the positive outcomes in our lives if we choose to do it first. Oh, that's interesting. That's by pasricha. Exactly. I saw that I thought I was worded in a way. I haven't heard before. Wow. That is really interesting. Yeah, we're going to be talking about depression today really interesting guys. I'm just going for it a good way. But in a good way, we interviewed Hannah Hart at the patreon event. If you don't know we have started a patreon for our show we want to Make the show ad free but we also want to expand the community and bring all of you together and give you more access and more great content. And so we've been doing it every week. Yeah, we've been doing extra episodes every single week for our patrons. We do after shows for every single podcast. 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It was the craziest thing ever to have been so close, but I'm like for a cookbook and I'm not a chef and I literally almost made it. So I'm a two-time almost three times and here does this other day had to scrap our Airport? Restaurant plans. I know yeah, it was terrible. So she became famous with a YouTube series called My Drunk Kitchen. She's Co produced and starred in films and she has her own show on the Food Network or had her own show on the Food Network and she's a very influential voice in the lgbtq lgbtq community. Sorry. I'm having some problems with my voice today, and she was also named one of Hollywood reporter's new digital. Disruptors and want to Forbes 30 under 30. So I sat with her at the patreon assembly event this past weekend. We talked about creating content and the digital age and staying authentic and redefining success and handling depression and pressure. So we have that interview for you today. So I thought before we start we talked a little bit about depression and there was actually a video so every morning as you know, if you listen to the show, I listened to Esther Hicks and I might Veer off here or there but for the most part me and Esther were hanging out every morning when I get ready and she's telling me how to co-create my my world and my future and how to be the vortex and lately. I've not been in the vortex. Let's just be clear about this. I woke up this morning guttural crying on your shoulder honey. Yes, because Of the situation with my mom and you know, what's going on with her I realized. Oh my gosh. I haven't meditated since she got sick really or like at some point it went away because she took a turn thank you since she took a turn and I think that's a really big problem. So I meditated today and I did feel better after because it's so easy to get so tired in the fight and so tired in the Emotion of it and then trying to keep your life together at the same time. So meditating really helped me today, but I was saying it's really amazing watching you cope with all the pressure and things that you guys are dealing with right now, and it reminded me of this article that we read from Psychology today by Kristen Fuller and it talked about the difference between sadness and depression. Oh, I need to know this. Please tell me and I think you do a phenomenal job of talking out your emotions. Ends without labeling yourself as depressed because there are 3 in 2017. There's 300 million Americans are diagnosed with depression. And if you don't know the difference between the two you could be either not addressing or serious health issue that you have which is the mental illness of depression or you could just not understand what you're actually feeling and making it way worse. And I think that you identify you pinpoint your emotions instead of just saying I'm depressed which is so easy to do with what you're dealing with is really really phenomenal. Thanks. Well, it's funny when I went to my doctor last week. I think it was I had my you know, annual physical. He asked me like, how are you handling everything and I'd the Waterworks just started and he's like, do you think you're depressed and I'm like no. I'm like, I think I'm just sad and so it was interesting because he's like, well, you know, do you ever have feelings where you don't want to be here? And oh my God, I want to Through that and so, you know, he's trying to get to the is this human depressed as she needs medication because you feel like you need a little bit of help but I was like, oh, I feel you're sad. Yeah and you're very tired and I think it I hate to say it. I think of depression is going to come and we'll deal with it. But right now I think it's extreme fatigue and extreme sadness for a lot of things in your life. Hmm. Yeah, but I've never heard that before. Yeah, you know to have an article that really is distinguishing between sadness and depression. I think that's a really really smart thing. So what were the keys stuff so for our listeners and viewers sadness is a normal emotion that we all are going to feel many times in our life. It's just how we are humans and it's a triggered by a certain event or a bad experience and but it's an emotional state. That's the biggest difference. It's just a state and Dissipates and it changes with the next emotion that comes in the next experience that comes where as depression is an actual mental health disorder and it's an abnormal mental state of abnormal emotional state. So it affects how we think and feel about everything. So it's more than just being sad in a moment. It's being like you lose motivation for everything you are no longer happy in any situation. You're tired. You're fatigued. You don't want to do any of the things that used to really make You happy and you just learn lose your passion for life. So there's a big difference between the two. Yeah, Kevin. Why are you laughing if it's like kind of like you just described me? Yeah sure any that is not true because you love Christmas you love you tubing right you love stupid videos that it's a great people pranking people. We've got the Christmas 24/7 Channel on YouTube. That's fantastic. If you have any if you love Christmas as much as we do if you love The Spirit of the holidays, We extend that as long as possible my shows the six months of Christmas, but we also have a very 2000s Christmas where we salute Christmas in the 2000s. We also have a 90s Christmas and as and now what am I leaving out? We have organizer super organized in prison. So you write this plenty of reasons to not be depressed and Kevin. I don't know if you know, but we covered three Hallmark movies for the Christmas channel. Here we go. There we go. Just like that. We're gonna we're gonna have some watch alongs with some of the specials. It's a it's a very exciting job. It's my show to promote area. Exciting time, right? So for two months a year, I'm not depressed. Well, here's the thing though. By the way, we were laughing because we put up our Christmas trees this weekend saw it and it was so fun because like we put my mom on the couch and you know, she obligation her chemo. So she's really weak and I died, you know came in and sat with us and all the dogs and the dogs were all behaving and just like watching us put the tree up. It was so adorable and my stylist and friend Denise sent me. DM and it was like, you know, there are only seven Sundays left right before it's over and I was like already over it that depressed me because of depression that depress me was like we did you sad. No, here's the thing. I realized thank God we put up our Christmas tree on November 1st because imagine if we hadn't we would have had only six Sundays or five Sunday's look at goes so quick and people were like, you're putting your own actually Whitney Cummings DM me. She goes you put your Christmas tree up all I didn't I go. Yes, it goes to quickly. We need to extend the spirit of the holiday. And yeah, and I tree is about 20 years old almost and it's a little it's getting in sad shape, but it was like the Charlie Brown tree and we gave it lovely judge. Did we judged it? Yeah, we made it work. We made it work and you know for me the reason in all seriousness that I do I've put it up early since 2008 when the you know, we you guys were great oppression of our time the depression of our time. Yeah. No it was A really scary bad time as a bad time in our country where war and and I was just like, you know enough to get that tree of the day after Halloween and just so I can feel good and we kind of I think of consistently done it ever since and I especially now it's like so what if it makes you feel good to look at it. I know your mom she loved it. She didn't want one in Connecticut last year. And we member mere we went out like like, oh hell no, we're getting one and she has not stopped talking about that tree. Can't wait to go home just to put up the seed tree. Yeah. So it's just things like that. Like that's just a healthy way to kind of beat the blues. So why not, you know or or go drink and watch porn and do drugs or you know, my Bud Light while we put up the trailer. Well, that was nice and you debit glass of wine. Yep, but but yeah, so it was actually was a little bit of a for us. It's it's a way just a smile and be a little happy. Yeah, what does tie into the Esther Hicks conversation Chad which will have the link in the summary of this. Where she says acknowledge what feels satisfying and then the more and more than that you yeah you build on it and you're on the way. Yeah, it's kind of like my grateful exercise. So every night I'll say I'm grateful for the fact that we got to put up the tree and then my mom and dad were here and that the dogs are here and that you know, whatever it is you so and that's kind of the same thing as you're building on all the good things rather than focusing on the negative things. And so I really try hard to be in that place before we go into the s Texting more though. I want to finish the distinguishing factors between sadness and depression. Yeah and Kevin you are done with your plugs for every Christmas 24/7 we heard it described and you know, it's the program's weakly. Oh my God, it's Taco and then soon it's going to be daily. It's very exciting and the gold here's the Big Challenge. I think I can you mute him right now that even Child by let's get into the signs and symptoms of depression. I think this is important so that you guys Have a starting point and you can assess yourself because the only way that we know if we're feeling sadness or depression Kevin's tune effectively muted. Yes, so funny. Sorry Kev. So change in sleep either difficulty falling asleep or sleeping too much a decrease in energy or feeling fatigue daily change in appetite or weight gaining weight losing weight over eating eating a much less feeling feelings of guilt or worthlessness difficulty concentrating slow physical. Movements are unintentional purposeless movements that are noticeable by others recurrent thoughts of suicide. So but the good news is and you guys will we spoke on it a little you and Hannah Hart spoke on it. There are so many different ways to get help and oftentimes it's a mixture but I think identifying what you're feeling and one of your old past guests Amber Ray. She she was yeah she spoke about naming your emotions and I think that's a really great. Starting point of naming what you're feeling and then you can really get the help that you need because there's so much out there like when we have our EMDR expert on the show and we Reiki there's meditation yoga and there's so many different things that you can do. Yeah, we we are going to have an amazing EMDR special for you guys because I actually got to put a friend who was near suicidal severely depressed and was fit all of Those key markers and after one session with the MDR his life is completely changed and Maize and such a major way Hannah brought up in the interview that she had had a negative experience with with that. So it really you have to find the right person because they may bring you through the traumas and then kind of re-trigger you re-trigger you open wounds, but here's the thing that that's a big thing in. General that I find is we are a little lazy and sometimes we all just say. Oh, well, you know Stephanie told me this person was great. So I went and I trusted her you really have to do your research to know who you're going to across the board whether it's your mechanic your doctor your you know, whatever it is in your life. You have to do the research, you know, there are different You Know Better Business bureaus online and they Angie's List's and all these places where you can find. Down there where people are rated Yelp look into it yourself, and I also want if there's a follow-up protocol Maria. Because you know, I mean you're going to read it. You're going to go kind of get back in the ring. So to speak and you know reopen these wounds and it's going to be painful. Is there a follow-up? I mean a good credible one. I assume would say that but I think for your listeners a score find out you know, what do you do afterwards everything about you getting a major operation you go home and you you ice something or you you know, yeah you elevate whatever the case is. I feel like I and I also think in no disrespect stuff or Steven. I feel like your generation was born. Underneath you are just not resilient. You guys just can't take a punch. Now. I don't believe that of you Stephanie and actually don't believe that Stephen because I've been punching them for 10 years. So let me shake it. No. No, but you guys we see it with the people who work for us over it after both Stephanie and Steven and you know, the parents have helicoptered and and kind of kept kids so far away from pain, but they don't know how to deal with it that went. So when it comes that's what what it said to me Maria went in the Interview was that's the other thing that you have to understand is that person may have been good giving the treatment but we're and we're a society that just we can't we run from paint and you know and and our into the parents who did it wasn't your generation it was it was the generation of parents which like, oh, no, I don't want Johnny and Susie to have any pain. I want them with the most perfect lives and that's just completely unrealistic. So I think that also factors and I actually did research at with Time Magazine and NBC both news. had articles last year that talked about the increase in depression and how like skyrocketing suicide rates and depression rates and most of the younger you go the more prominent it is and time said the there one if they could point to one thing they were they said it is new technology and the fact that Leisure Time with young people is just spent, you know on the phone or on the computer or video games or whatever and you know, It just just again. I'm just throwing that out there. I think there's a lot of reasons is diet. And again, we're not diets massive. We're not resilient. And I also do think and when you dismiss its massive it catch it with these are all contributors, but the other I am the accumulation of sugar and just and Maria it's funny and I don't know how much we were Hearing in Esther Hicks interview before or the clip. Yes, you know with an interview with a treatment. She was giving somebody that one of her at one of our seminars And I think she was mentioning how the person was kind of actively seeking out bad things or maybe if I heard that from other interviews that she's had. She makes a she makes a point will have the link in the obviously in the notes for the show, but she makes a point to say that that like life is not supposed to be about seeking the problem and fixing it. It should be about, you know, just living the the act of fixing it as opposed to focusing on the problem. Yeah, right. So I wrote the notes actually on this part because I thought that was fascinating. So she said hello major finishes satisfaction comes from having a desire and moving towards it. She said the problem is we've been taught to sacrifice and to be and we've been taught that the way is sacrifice and service. So we pick a problem and we focus on it and we solve it and so she's saying that that's not the way to do things. We have a doctor Maria that's told us about why his philosophy his belief is that that's why autoimmune diseases happen is because people are so busy trying to find problems always seeking the problem. Obviously the problem obviously problem. So yeah that I have an immune disease. I'm constantly taking people's problems and try to solve them. And so I need to solve everybody's problems. I don't know stay with me on this because it does make sense. So what happens is the body is always looking for problems problems problems. So that's why the body of Acts itself. It starts looking for problems within the body that don't really exist my God. Yeah, so that was something I'd heard but getting back to the other part. And again, this is something uncomfortable that I'm going to say is I think having just been to Mexico in a very poor City and dealing with people who have cancer and her dying, you know, I feel like because we are an affluent society. We have it. So good here, ironically Millennials and gen Z That this is such a great country that we have so much free time that we are seeking the problems and we're looking more deeply we're looking more deeply in the mirror to go. Oh, there's something wrong with me or my parents did this all these terrible things to me and and I can't move on because of it whatever and I just I kind of think back to you know, you know your dad man when I drive around and he just when he can confine me, he's just he can't laughs he's like having fun. You know what? We went through easy, but we weren't think we didn't focus on that stuff. We just focused on having what fun we could and he's like, we literally didn't have food and where we didn't have to get shoes. We didn't have nothing. And so that's where the focus was. So our Focus. I think it's just easier for all of us to focus on the lack which has our lives are easier. Yeah. So again, I only offer that because maybe you can think in your own life ago. Hey, it may be like, I have it so good and you know that I have all this. Free time and I'm using it to either find problems in myself focus on problems in the world focus on what I don't have which is what Esther Hicks talks all about this time focusing on the lack and start manifesting what you want and and co-creating your the technique in the fall, you know the phones and that's why I think you know, we getting two solutions Forest bathing Getting Back To Nature getting away from the phones. But but listen I tell you any young people right now that that that Always self-help and enjoy, you know that field I'm like listen just from a business end couldn't be a better field to enter into because it is an epidemic it is not going away. It's only going to increase and I really think that we still don't have it right with our children the the chip that the like say k through 10. I still don't think we have it right? It's probably going to be another 10 years. I'm hoping where we know. Okay, we messed up here. We've kind of challenge these kids more we've got to reduce. Be in their lives. We have to let them skin their knees. I mean, you know, it's I'm hoping that you know, but I don't see it right now. We'll see if you think about this, right? We always talk about like if you're not growing you're dying, right and the only way to grow is through problems right problems are opportunity for growth because now you do have to kind of, you know, go through it. Even the word problem obstacles portals. We don't hoard all simply a port exactly what I was trying to remember that Stephanie. So so we don't have problems with poor. Also, so if you think about it, if we are continuously trying to avoid the portals for the people that we love we're not allowing them the opportunity of robbing them of their Journey. Absolutely. I also think that it's about a lot about accountability and it is in the older generation to we've glamorized this complete opulence and like celebrities and gossip and like really just being nasty to each other and focusing on like fur coats and nice cars and all this stuff and it's like how do you think that your kids are going to define success if that's what you're buying into so I do think it's a two-way street, but or it's still goes back to the parents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well all goes back all the parents, you know have failed it wasn't you guys and maybe their parents failed them to I don't know listen No parent is going to ever have it right? Yeah. You can't it's impossible those. I think there is there's a lot of different aspects at play here and I think the the article stuff was talking about with sadness versus Is really interesting because I think there's more to it than that. I think there's a lot of different types of depression and we agree. We live in a world where there's a lot of different situations going on that cause various different types. So I don't feel like 90% are like 30 percent of people are depressed from the same reasons. Yeah, but I think there's various different types like for me. It's like the fear of living in a world where there's no their video games. I know no terrible. I'm kidding. Hey, there's no ground to pave within my skill set. There's no like the technology is where everything's going like so kids who aren't tech savvy now, like if they're not in a career that's in the tech. They're not going to be the first person to discover everything. They're not going to be the first person to discover anything and even if they do discover something it's now in the past. Nobody really cares about old discoveries at your belief Steven that that's what stresses you out. Well, what stresses me out? Is that like unfortunately for me like I have to get over is that nothing matters? Like I really kind of half. That's my that's my constant battle. It doesn't matter as much as we think. Yeah, it's like he we're never in we're not in a world where you can make a new discovery. Like nobody's nobody's gonna remember me for a hundred years after I'm gone. Like there's no more people like that. Yeah little sunflower soul is just screaming now. I think I think is all we don't remember his father. What do we think that important? But everything does Mater I think I find my most joy every day just in the day-to-day communication with their judgment. That's right. You know, you've got it right microtransactions and Stephen is a little bit of overthinking involved and you were a born on the same day. So every problem you have is officially now my problem every like deficiency is shared now because we're the same birthday Steven could say the same to you because I could say the same stuff to him. Steven I think that's tough. It is here's the good of it is that it's going to challenge you to be better, but that's where it needs to end. Yeah, you know, I mean like a challenge you to get up and try to do better but when you say but when you put in your vernacular that you can't discover something we've talked about this then you're not going to be able to so Steph is more likely right now out of the two of you and then you're far more tech savvy than her you are. No. I know. I'm just telling you. You're brilliant Stephen and yet and yet it's the steps of the world that will because she believes it's possible though. We what was that quote last week? Oh, I have it here. Oh my gosh. This was the greatest quote ever and I learned it at the church that we went to with my mom. He said being realistic has never helped anyone. So when they were building the car, someone said, what do you mean you're going to build a car that was going to be like 40 horses like why you know, that's not possible. Well the people who thought it was possible. Double made that car and so being realistic never helped anyone by the way it is so I'm more on team. I'm much more with Team stuff like it's possible my promised even where I'm like you is I get depressed when I can't make things big things possible and that's what I want to work on. This year is I do next year 20 is and by the way guys, this is the perfect time you will come to the end of the year. It's one of the great things is start thinking about what what's next year going to be? I mean, I have to have another other Kev New Year's. Yeah. Well this time we're going to do all episode on I want to do a whole episode before the end of the year on life audits. I want everyone to do a life. I brought it to great. Yeah, so I'll have to book you but just to co what you're saying you have those is I'm just I was speaking more in generalities though in that like you we set these expectations for ourselves, right? And as Esther Hicks was talking about purpose. And what's your purpose? Is it sacrifice? Yourself for a discovery. Is it sacrificing yourself for your own personal joy, and we're raising a generation of people who are in a situation where every single thing that they're exposed to is negative those salts not everything but a lot but you mother the news it's like the world's gonna end in 40 years. Nothing we can do about it this point and and you're taking the belief that they could do something out about it away from them through that like I think that we're on a very interesting path of Destruction versus development and you know, they're both developing at a certain rate and I'm really hoping and I really think that like science is developing at a rate to battle whatever destruction were facing but you don't see that in every day pop culture. Like if you have been wanting you find it and bring it to the show we can give it to people there's so much scientific development over the past six months. It's recent bring it baby. All right, but we found that Instagram account. What was it yesterday Kev? I think it was the good news the good news or whatever like by the way, this is why I don't watch you know how we found it. Hold on. Why this is why I don't watch the news anymore because I don't want to pollute my heart my brain my soul with any more negativity because also having been in the media. I know that the way we're programming is specifically for readings and unfortunately the human consciousness right now wants that negativity. They're celebrating, you know, vile people for the most part like there's a narcissism that's reflected back and forth and And so I want nothing to do with narcissism is so big in our our culture in this country that were attracted to those people because we're individually long so narcissistic ourselves. It's just terrible. But yeah, we are more much more attractive. If it is overwhelming you you start to think of the things that you can peel away like I did I started peeling away all of those things so that I could live in my happy Utopia as much as possible and it doesn't mean that you are turning a blind eye. Because I do keep up to a degree through Twitter on the major happenings, but right now I know that I am on a path that I need to be on and I need to stay in that that zone to get there to be able to effect for any kind of change. I think everyone's different. I think if you can't be effective with certain information then don't yeah stay away because I was that person my whole life. I was addicted to the news and now I'm like completely allergic and you can't follow your purpose if you're like that. So I think everyone has a small purpose if your purpose is to save to help women's rights or to help Being Human Rights and you do have to take a little bit of the punches in that if it's for healthier taking punches. A lot of people don't want to learn about no one wants to learn about the into the mind and the brain and how tumors grow in it. So, I think it's different for everyone has to take a look. So with Judith orloff our episode with her learning about my empathic ways. I realized Yes. No, I can't take on that information. It's just too much from for me right now and maybe forever. I don't know Steve and I know you were going to say something. No, I think it was Kevin was going to say something you think micro, you know stick with your microtransactions and you know, yeah, you life's going to be hard enough. There's gonna be enough obstacles and challenges in your life. You don't need to go find more and yeah with with the news and remember in the back is it's already been said here. Remember the news that they're putting out. They know that they get more clicks and they get higher ratings by putting Our dark stuff so you can't you have to kind of take it all with great insight and usually like to follow. Yes, and then whenever following the people that you know, if you if you're telling me about depression, you know, and as you kind of take away all these little stressors in your life to reduce it until you get I hour jever one to get to the core and get to your subconscious because that's where it's all going to come from. But in the meantime these things that you can take away and reduce and if you are listen, I was listening to a lot It really dark people they were really freaking funny but so dark and I'm like, you know what this is not good. This is not good. This is bleeding into my world. So interesting out you go and and in the same with the news listen, we all have enough common sense to know that if there's a Hitler that takes over our country and is like I have more faith in everyone that when the time will come to Gold out in the streets and go no, we're not having it. We'll all we really all know when other than that all the hate tweets and the crap back all the stuff that is definitely people have put noise of people putting out in that we're all taking in. You don't need to really don't it's not going to make a difference. It really isn't so micro transactions in your day-to-day with your coworkers. I always say even the people that make you your coffee every day the ones that try hard even the ones that you know are down. It's because you don't know what their lives are hard their lives aren't if you can give him a dollar an extra $2.00 for a tip like those little things. I don't know. It's all you can do focus on the micro differences as opposed to the make macro stuff that you don't even have control over anyway, and you don't even know if it's I always say this to truths. So there's the Dark Truth because we know that get you clicks and ratings, but we're not going to hear the positive truth. So and build off satisfactory moments, right? Yes. That's Laster heck said, yes. Alright guys gonna fry them and build with them. All right guys, we have to get to our Hannah interview great discussion by the way everybody. Thank you for that. So without further Ado here is my chat with Hannah Hart. Hey everyone, it's Steph. If you're listening to this podcast, you probably thought once or twice. Hey, I think I want to make a podcast to and I have great news for you guys. I want to tell you about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast for a few reasons first and foremost. It's free. They have a bunch of tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or your computer. They distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and so much more You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. So download the free anchor app or go to incurred on FM to get started. Hi everybody. Have you guys been having a good time at patreon assembly? Have a has everyone been starting their segments with trying to generate some sort of feedback from you guys. Yeah. Okay. I promise. This is the last time we'll address you directly. Am I will pretend were alone. Yeah. Okay. Okay attempted a good to see you again man. Good to see you too. We first met the internet was new. I know this is very true. And now you have conquered and been so successful in this space. Is this something you always knew you wanted to do well for me? You know, that's a great question because if I think most honestly yes, obviously working in entertainment working as a public figure would always have been something I wanted to do was I ever brave enough to do it? No, I wasn't a theater kid when I was little I thought the theater kids seem so cool. I was like, oh man, look at them going out there. Just singing. During lunch for no reason at all distracting but no truly I yeah, I just didn't ever seem practical to me. It never seemed like I could have the chance to make art and be a responsible person. You know, I always felt like I had to choose between the two so when the idea of beginning this business on the internet started back in March of 2011, there was no idea of a YouTube Star when I got started I didn't And I was going to make money and that was really freeing. You know, what because you were doing it for the right reasons. I was doing it because I thought maybe I could sell a book. I thought you know that the time in 2011. They were publishing a lot of blog to book things. It was like the blog to book Trend there was even I remember a section at bookstores that said blog to book and I was like block to book. What about online video to book because even in 2011 there wasn't the term Vlog which by the way, I don't know what Vlog means. Do you know video blog video blog but they're not always a diary. Yeah, I mean think about it guys we should do a YouTube dictionary. No, I definitely not me Jesse. Yeah. No, I mean I you know, it's funny because I recently went on a book tour around the country and for my third book My Drunk Kitchen holidays. Oh, which this actually I'm going to take a brief aside. Thoroughly that feeling of not remembering what's happened and what to celebrate or what you've done or what you've accomplished because everything is moved by so fast. That's literally what I wrote my third book about so we were just chatting backstage because I was explaining to her how I don't remember a lot of things like really big things like going to a private Prince concert. You are an angel. Thank you. Cheers. To our interview cheers to you. So saying I can't remember anything but that's because when you're doing as many things as we're doing life moves so fast, you know, you're never in the moment. You never have a chance to like soak in what you just did doesn't matter what it was it even like I'm a New York Times bestseller list and we kind of crashed our car and a little McDonald's line. We're so excited and then I had to go interview somebody 4E like a second later. So it was like moment was gone. It's like yeah, we did it. Okay shit. To go and so you understand that feeling because you just experienced it again. Yeah, I mean literally that I think in a lot of ways is when you work in the entertainment you kind of work at like it's like entertainment and politics are the titrated versions of our culture and when you work in an attainment, it's like oh good. We got that next thing. Okay. What's next? What's my job? Okay, no time to celebrate no time to think about it and It's a wonderful and terrible quality of the industry because it really shows you that it's not. for you It's not about you and a lot of ways in entertainment and like with patreon. You're contributing to someone's idea that they have of how they could be worthwhile about they could have a purpose of how they can feel like they're contributing something. So when you participate in that you're contributing to their contribution. And I kind of think there's nothing more beautiful than that, you know as a way of feeling present by giving a little belief in to somebody else and that in a lot of ways slows you down. Mhm. Yeah, and it's not bad to be slow down. You know through I mean like honestly guys Marie and I we like went there like one minute ago before we walked out onstage and now we're both trying to recover. I know I wonder at this point in your life. What does success mean to you? I don't know man, you know, like I really wish that. You know, I feel like I'm on the other side of that kind of like faith and belief that people have given to me. I was fortunate enough to get my start online. Like I said before there was a concept of the YouTube Star. I was fortunate enough to get the chance to Pioneers something to be at the start of something and all my God that felt amazing. How am I ever going to feel that way again? You know and right now I'm in maintenance mode. I'm in well, what is this career look like for someone who has a had success a started the foundation of what it means to be a digital star be had success as a traditional star. And now I'm out here with the big boys. And there are a lot bigger than me. So I'm thinking graduate school. Like maybe I'll just and he'll just get a casual Masters. I feel like I read that somewhere below. You may be joking about a potentially somewhere else. Yeah. Well, I'm curious though, like for the people that are here in attendance today, like what is What's relevant to your concerns? Are you guys looking for motivation? Are you looking for cultivation? Like what is the patreon assembly group? Say bye want to speak out. It's a whistle. Oh, apparently Maria. They're just here for a good time. Well that we can do success to me means freedom. It means being able to do my own thing on my own terms what you're doing, but you said something earlier that was interesting and it's like you're maintaining because once you make it it's harder to stay there right? Do you feel that pressure? Of like how am I going to keep this in build from here? I do I really do so I just published my third book My Drunk Kitchen holidays, which was thank you. Whoo. Yes. It's excellent under 1000 people have bought a copy. So you guys should definitely go get a copy. It's really good though. It's very Niche super Niche if you're queer and forced to celebrate things you'll really love it or if you're a liar. And forced to celebrate things to really love it. We have such a strange culture because it's all about productivity and like what you're contributing and like being a part of like something bigger and then also just total vulnerability and relaxation into the holidays. Like I wanted to write about the holidays because so my dad's a Jehovah's Witness. No birthdays birthdays. No birthdays. Wow, a double digits, but the rough year for me. You guys remember double digits? When was the last time you thought about the phrase double digits, but when you're nine turning 10, it's a big deal and it's a one and a zero. I loved those numbers. But anyway, so holidays were complicated because my dad was a Jehovah's Witness. So it's like no birthdays. No Christmas. No Halloween. So whatever happens happens and that really affected my ability to celebrate and then I find myself welcome into this life where I have so many Reasons to be celebrating but no real idea of how and that's what I've been learning and that's why I wanted to write My Drunk Kitchen holidays how to save her and celebrate the year available everywhere in book stores now. So yeah, how are you learning to celebrate? What am I like when I celebrate very stressed out. But how are you learning to celebrate? Like are you one day I just try to like do something and give yourself that moment to I find myself to be very combative. Honestly, like for instance my beloved fiance right there Ella. She surprised me with a flight right after this to the Bay Area. Yeah to see my friends and family fun. Yeah, but I've been on the road for like two weeks. I think she just wanted to stay home. However, so at first I was like, oh my God, but now I'm very happy and excited about it. So that's how you learn to celebrate. You gotta roll with the punches man. Okay, I mean I mean you just had a brain tumor, you know, like every day is a celebration. This is true has that affected your relationship with celebration or like presence or like that feeling of Switched everything? That's why I'm doing my podcast. It's called better together. And because I think we're better together and it's my journey to find healers and and people who are going to help us in all areas of life be better because you know, there's always something out there that we haven't learned about whether it's EMDR or Spiritual healing or anything like that. And so I paused completely I completely changed my entire life. I stopped the mad rush of doing a thousand things at once. I walk out to my garage on a Monday. I do my podcast and I'm helping myself along the way and so yeah, I'm super everything's really changed since then. Thank God had a bit different and it's something to adjust to have you been doing like Reiki and like Like everything I have guys. I have the best of the best in from the whole like from everywhere on the show every Monday like Liberty one day, you will learn something that you can apply to your to your life. Like we joke on the show every Monday. I'm like, okay. What have we been applying? Like, well, I'm tongue scraping now because of Sahara Rose, I'm tongue scraping. I'm oil pulling. I'm mono mealing I am you know, what meditating mono mealing was that man will like first of all, it's really hard our digestive systems were too. Seeing them so much like if you think bloating and you know irregular stool is a normal thing. I'm here to tell you. It's not come on dude. Yes. So if you simplify what you eat your body doesn't have to work as hard to digest but if I simplify what I eat my brain has to work harder to be happy. Well when you get a little older Hannah things will start to change my pretty I mean, you look like what 28? Okay, not officially, but we can go with that. But like seriously your body changes and you need to start taking care of it because you beat it up in your twenties and thirties and then as you get a little older she gets real. Are you done with your 30s? I'm 41. You look amazing. Thank you. What do you do you sleep in a bed of milk? No, but uh, but what sleep on my back now because of neck issues and it's definitely helping with the wrinkle situation stuff. But that's do the Sleep Number asleep know like the bed. That's like a Sleep Number. I want to just I just want to know what your 40s are like, you know, I'm helping myself, you know, I thought like I really did I thought that that was what happened when you turn 40 is that shit changed and all of a sudden went from a flat stomach to looking six months pregnant every time I met at 25 but happen to be at 25 stop. No for real though. Did you do Sports as a kid? Yeah, but slates. What you do? To fix that no, no exports. Yeah. I played basketball. I was terrible but I really tried hard. So a lot of intramural kind of things I wasn't really coordinated an awesome, but I tried really hard and I used my big ass for good like checking and hitting I played hockey while I play basketball. Yeah. I love that. This is a Maria Menounos podcast. I want to hear I'm so ready. We're recording for your podcast right now, right? We are ya. Oh, man. Yeah. Hey podcast listeners. I was laughing with Hannah backstage I go I'd ask you to be on my show, but you're kind of going to be on it because we're doing a twofer right now. Love it. Um, so let's get back to you. I want to know throughout this journey. Obviously you had so much success, but was there a down moment or a moment where you kind of wanted to give up? And what did you do in that moment. I mean, I guess you have to think of what you mean by give up give up everything. I mean give up doing what you were doing. Did you ever get disheartened change directions want to change directions? I mean because that's kind of the thing right like like if you're telling yourself That you need to stop. I think it means that what you do you love it's just not loving you back. If you tell yourself, you need to change directions. It means that you don't like what you're doing. Mhm. So did you always love what you were doing? Yeah, I do. I love what I do, which I think makes it really hard because real love as you know being in a committed marriage to a Scorpio turns out we talked about that earlier so fed. Tell him what you told me backstage. I will tell everyone right now as she said I'm a Gemini my husband Scorpio and I said, wow, he must have to work so hard. And then she said I don't tell him. Yeah, she said but yeah, no, I love what I do. And I think that makes it really hard because at least when you're not in love with your work or like It's hard because I'm someone with chronic depression like I got major depressive disorder bordering on severe and it sucks because I'm also someone lucky enough to get to pursue my hopes and dreams and make money from that and be respected and loved right and celebrated. Right? And so I think that I it's almost like I want to restructure my life so that my misery feels Justified because it's too hard to admit that even though I have everything I've ever wanted. There is still just like a deeper sadness, but that's the mind and the mind lies and you're in a constant dance with that all day every day. So we socially focused a lot on the things that we have in our hands and things that we look at change careers don't can't change careers change Partners don't change Partners be single be alone. Go explore the world etcetera, etc, etc. None of it really matters as long none of it matters, unless you understand why you're making Choice like the deeper connective reason like if you're going to go can I swear on your podcast? I'm going to say skip off. Fudge off flick off if you're going to go if you want to drop everything and go be like, I'm a farmer or I'm gonna go rebuild houses somewhere. If you know exactly why you want to go do that then go do it if you don't know why. Maybe take a minute. Yeah, you know what? I mean, and I feel like we're never encouraged to pause. Ever have you ever posed do I pause? Have you ever pause depositing right now? Okay. This is my pause. Okay, because I'm really just processing my own thoughts. Can I ask you a question about what you just said? Yes. Where do you think your depression comes from? Well two-fold fivefold one. genetics within that three other tiers of factors two Situation like I think that there's a lot of forms of depression like for me I both them chemically predisposed but then also circumstantially predisposed traumas traumas Etc, you know, and it's amazing because some of the most successful people I have ever met are so deeply depressed. And if such a gift in a lot of ways because because it's like the only thing that feels happy is like real happiness. and like I'm so glad chick. Yeah, so you get to feel true authentic happiness when you feel it. Yes and That is the only time I feel happy. Like there is no casual Joy. Hmm and because of that it makes you chase like a deep level of contentment and I feel really lucky for that. It's like having this really hyper aware internal compass that your life has to have meaning. So does he analyzed this help your depression? No, Cod Analyze This is the best. So my podcast Analyze This the self-help podcast that just can't help itself is all about exploring the tedium of maintaining your mental health. I would say a hundred times out of 10. I've got this shit on lock but then sometimes you know, I have to be me in the moment that I'm in. Mhm. And so analyze this is great. I really am going to focus on my podcast this upcoming year because we have both Business Financial mental and physical health advice, but in not in a preachy braggy way, like basically every person every expert that comes on our show is like well, I'm fucking miserable and I'm like, okay. Good. Good good, but your book is a good like yeah. No, it's helped a lot of people and that's what I've really found to be the case. But you know, it's the truth. It's the truth. That's a thing that people never it's so funny and I've been wanting to talk about this forever. So all the spiritual gurus all the all of these people that you think have it together and they put on the facade on the stage here and it's like amazing. Oh my God, and you're so inspired and it's great take the inspiration. And wherever you can get it, but just know when they walk back there the like fuck that's go here and there also stressed because there are trying to keep up to and no one's perfect and no one has it down. Perfect. It's more like there are people that are willing to display what their best is at your job. You don't have to go in and say this is the core of my being But when you work in the field that I work in every day is a reflection of all of my beliefs every conversation is a reflection of everything I've done and it's debilitating but also like the most constant like validity accountability check, but it is exhausting but I'm also really grateful for it because I think that it's led me to be really conscious in mindful of everything that I have. You know, I if you had told me at 20 or 19 or 18 You told me anytime before 24 that I would be a queer icon that I would be an lgbtq+ public figure Advocate role model that I would get to go to the White House. and to the during the Obama Administration I would have been like why me. Because I was so reluctant to take on that mantle. Hmm. But when I took on that mantle I took it on with all of my brain and all of my heart and all of my spirit I was like, okay. It's gonna be me then. I got a lot to learn. Aah, let's talk about queer identity everybody and I guess it just does matter. You know hmm. Yeah and you lead with authenticity, which is something that's really hard for people has there ever been something that you've shared that you were nervous you shared or is there anything you do hold back? Oh tons. Yeah, yep. I've got like three videos all about getting married how I know the person is the person I want to marry and processing my dad not coming to my wedding because I'm gay, you know, and it's a real cognitive dissonance to be like the poster child for lgbtq plus advocacy and to have a father that won't go to your wedding. I mean, they won't even look at my fiance. It sucks. So I've got like again is and thoughts on that. You know what I mean? I get it like a different way though. But like I haven't posted those yet. So like in the question Heather in the holding there on the Shelf. Yeah, and if there's something I feel like I've come to terms with I will share them, but I never want to use my audience to validate. A feeling that isn't fully formed. Mmm. Like I think that's the real danger of being an online Creator is that you can so easily drown out your own voice. It's a great great note to leave on oh, yeah. Oh leave. Okay. We're getting the rap. I make sure you follow your dreams. Okay? Yes before you go. I have to say one thing for everyone who's listening and for you actually so I recently did an interview hasn't aired yet, but it will be in the coming weeks with an EMD our expert and I took a friend who was basically suicidal this last week and set up a session. With her and he was literally pulled from the depths of darkness in one session over FaceTime. So I highly recommend EMDR highly recommend it for ya. Have you done it yet? Yeah, but you know, you got to be careful with the MDR for those of you that work in the mental health spaces because it can also be re-traumatizing for people if it's not done correctly. It's like kind of like doing like anesthesiology, you know, you really want. You know what you're doing Kim so back. Like I said, I always have the best ones on my okay the best of the best better together with Maria Menounos, she will be on soon and she is the best and I will connect you with her and I think she will I mean, I don't what I saw she did was just so unbelievable Vic. So I want to thank you guys. I know we were kind of just chit-chatting but that was kind of fun. It was the best we have any time for questions or we're out we're out got it. Well, thank you so much Peter Amazon. Hey everybody Steven here from the booth. Sorry to interrupt for a second. I have to tell you about Spotify on Spotify. You can listen to all your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify has a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including Better Together, which I'm hoping you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you never miss an episode premium users can download episodes to listen to offline wherever you are and you can easily share what you're listening to with your friends on Instagram. Remember Marie always says to be nice people make good choices and be present and one of the things you can do presently. Is make a good choice to go download the Spotify app and search for Better Together. You can browse other podcasts in the your library Tab and you can make sure to follow us here. So you don't miss an episode of Better Together. Alright guys, that is a shorter interview than we normally do. But but we were at a patreon assembly. Yeah. You also have that. He also had a guest in me today. Yes. I know we kind of did actually and we'd like to thank you for your contribution today, but let's ask everyone. Did we learn from Hannah today? I learned of a different way to combat depression. I liked I liked that it can be a motivational tool as opposed to just a thing. That's there that is constantly eating away at your Consciousness. Okay, so I thought that was an interesting thing on it. I like that. She's just creating what she wants in the world and staying really authentic to herself. Like I think it seems like from what she was saying to you is she's the type of person that's constantly checking in on if this project is worth it, which is what you do as well. Everything is totally branded to her as what yours is now with your life. Yeah. I love that. I think that's important and being honest. I think she's I like that she's trying to do good. But what my takeaway was she was talking about a lot of the influencers or experts to come on their her show and then office great advice, but then afterwards the mic goes off and they're completely miserable or upset or depressed themselves, and I'm so glad you're bringing this up because I feel like I was too extreme with how I answer that as well. Right? Is this not everybody but the truth is yeah most not everybody has it perfect all the time. We only know Maria of all of the people you've brought around me intimately. I only know one that is is what he off the mic when he is on the mic meaning like he's at peace, but what I've realized it's not about Chris. It's not that those people are hypocrites or there but it's they're going through those problems and actively seeking the Oceans and those Solutions are the valuable lessons that they're able to share with us. Yep. So it doesn't mean that it doesn't you don't diminish any their lessons their lessons very valuable, but it's their struggles that have got them those lessons and their continued struggles that will probably get them to new breakthrough so that I got that I from the love that and I wholeheartedly agree and I wish I was as good as you at explaining things like you're such a good teacher like I can A little extreme sometimes when I'm saying something and I feel like you're so much better at kind of like Gathering it and then you know processing is my New Year's resolution. I have the luxury because I before I met you Maria, I was you I was in the I was like out and about and the friends I had who were kind of my Sidekicks or that, you know, they were quietly behind me kind of facilitating things. They were able to observe and then compute everything accurately. And clean like my friend Rick Beach would be and I would like oh my God Rick, how could you put but I realized because I have the luxury of sitting back and observing you're on stage. You're in the game playing so when you're like a coach and you're watching from the sidelines at you or your even above the field and looking down. Yeah, you see everything so that's why you resent myself and I say, yeah, everybody know not everybody who you know is in self-help or whatever, you know goes off stage in his life. Crazed but the truth is that you know, a lot of people, you know, they're all just people yeah, whether they're self-help gurus or like Gabby Bernstein. That's why I love terms so refreshing because she was like here I am self-help, you know, New York Times bestselling like access to the best super amazing spiritual leader, whatever and she was depressed and she was being so honest about it. I think that's so helpful to all of us and I'm the same way. I I feel like I'm constantly learning and Gathering because I'm so excited to apply it to my life and then to be able to share it and if I'm ever extreme with my words, which does happen, sometimes we're like, oh everybody this or or yeah, I really want to work on that. This this is going to be my New Year's resolution is to try to change my extreme language because it's not true. It's not true in it can be damaging. Yeah to you personally. So even it went after those what we coach the kids. I used to say listen outside there in Hollywood. It's vicious. It's cruel. Whatever. I don't like what I say is, you know, it can't be can be you know, they can be people out there that are harmful or whatever and so I want to prepare you for that. So yeah and by lessening they say it's scientifically proven by changing your words. You'll change a reality. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I know. I believe that some weight. We ADI and 20 times in the meantime. 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It's not going to be one of my daily tasks. I'm not to dream job ornaments. It's just even do you have a vote? I'll bah humbug. I'm skeptical of Step statement. He's bah humbug angrier it also will I be invited to be on the patreon podcasts you are and in fact, I was just about to invite you honey. So before we go, please give them Mercy listen to Kevin's 24/7 Christmas 24/7 podcast. No, it's not. It's not even a was you see how much? Respect you have for my life. The channel on YouTube is the Christmas 24/7 so confused and my podcast is the six months of Christmas. Thank you, very little so you search the six months of Christmas on Apple podcast. Yes, you can find the show there or you can go to YouTube. Is it the six months of Christmas or six months of Christmas those six months of Christmas? Okay, I think so. Yeah this time see you don't even know. This is the problem by the way, it's so I was going to help him Instagram this weekend, uh Christmas 24, he didn't even know. So repeat that Steven, sorry. What can you repeat it? It's the Christmas 24/7 Channel AfterBuzz TV the Christmas 24/7 and it is six months of Christmas podcast and our new Instagram account. If you want to feel good is the Christmas 24/7 and that is how I found feel good news, because once I subscribe to that Instagram suggest found all these like really nice things to look at I like that positive stuff, you know. All right. Well, You guys for all of your contributions, especially to you honey. We have a 20-minute time. You can follow us at the Christmas 24/7 so you could be the 26 camping his Instagram by the way, FYI, if you go to it and you're not as excited, we enlisted Ashley Grace Daniels former producer here to assist us because it needed a little judging and so we are doing that. That's how much I love you. Honey is I came in with swooping adjustments and changes and thoughts you're invited. To our aftershow cuff. Yes, that's one thing. 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Hannah Hart is an entertainer, food enthusiast, and a two-time New York Times Bestselling author. On today’s episode, Maria and Hannah connect live at the Patreon Assembly to talk about staying authentic, excelling in the digital world, working through depression and pressure and defining success on our own terms. Since creating the YouTube series “My Drunk Kitchen”, Hart has co-produced and starred in multiple films as well as hosted her own show on the Food Network, (I Hart Food). In 2018, Hart launched "Hannahlyze This," the self help podcast that just can’t help itself. Hart’s consistent authenticity in her content has established her as one of the most influential voices in the LGBTQ community, as well as gained her recognition as one of Hollywood Reporters New Digital Disruptors, and one of Forbes’ 30 Under 30. I sat down with her at the Patreon Assembly event this past weekend and we talked about creating content in the digital age, staying authentic, redefining success and handling depression and pressure. Links: https://hannahhart.com/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/happiness-is-state-mind/201910/the-difference-between-sadness-and-depression https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5rECKr0RI --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

How do we feel about documentaries and or carnivals will we've got both on tonight's ABT Voltron we're going to talk about season 8 episode 7 and 8 day 47 and clear day. We've got a couple of special guests and we will be chatting about the making of a documentary and why you should maybe not listen to hallucinations up from your ex. We will see you guys after the opening and team. It's time to form Voltron you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of tv top now look, I'm very proud of myself. I'm very proud of myself. It was the most appropriate song for the opening also have a bit of a Disney Aficionado and just that song and Keith breaking his way to love it. You gotta love it. Welcome back. We are the AfterBuzz TV Voltron legendary defend our aftershow. We are looking at season 8 episode 7 and Day 47 and clear day. We're have a grand old time tonight you guys and we promise not to play the song the entire time. I say that now in that knowing that no, I don't mean that that's up to her and just all right, I gotta go, but I was just about to introduce you. Okay introduce me, then I'll leave but only for the next 10 seconds green lion Megan Salinas. Hey everybody. I'm black lion Katie calling and we have two very special guest with us tonight episode directors for these nights. Up for tonight's episodes. We have re a Koga. Hi, I'm a TA and Michael Chang. Hello. Thanks for joining us tonight. You guys thank you for having us that we are super excited and these episodes were so much fun before we get started. We're going to do a little housekeeping as always. If you want to get involved in the conversation those of you who are watching live on the high watching live. Hello. And those of you who are watching or listening later or who want to put up pictures or links. We have a hashtag on Twitter. That is a be TV. Ultron feel free to use that. Also. 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This episode our day 47 was kind of like the breaking between hours enjoy those kind of episodes where you can see daily life and was a lot of fun and I was a little hesitant on the POV aspect was that can be tricky finding the camera angles and stuff like that, but it was a lot of fun. It turned out really really good with all the effects and all That will all the facts and the camera adjustments in After Effects stuff. So I was really happy with how it turned out. What POV. Did you find the most difficult? Well just staging everything in the camera. So it's not like you have to be aware of the where the camera is. It's always the cameras POV. It's not somebody else's POV. So you got you got to play with with like how it moves from scene to scene and how it turns on and off and so Usually those things are kind of tricky like when you do somebody's flashback or something. It's always there POV and then moving the camera around can be difficult sometimes because unlimited budget TV budget. Yeah that that entire sequence where it's just spinning around in the halls. I was like, oh man that that must have been really difficult. Yeah coordinating all this stuff and then it pans here and then it goes here and yes, we're being a spinning camera for several seconds. Good luck guys. Have fun. All right, we could have you lean in a little closer like your friend would like to get a little closer to you and then recreate what yes the most interesting aspect of clear day for you. What did you enjoy the most about? Oh, yeah. So yeah that critique we had a this episode is another fun. Yeah fine episode after after you are episode. After yeah Mike's episode. So yeah, I say it's hot. Yeah whole episode is really fun or because except except the are loaded of course. Yeah, suddenly she gets. Yeah. She suffers a lot. Yeah, but yeah, so except that it's very fun. If so the old it's carnivore. Yeah, they're not just economy between the light and the dark and yeah humor and then the The Dread yeah, so we get To see we get to see each character's personality the side of their the personality that we can enjoy. Yeah to see it. I am talking about the light in the dark of that particular episode. I really liked how everything at the carnival where was in these really warm Hues and everything with a Laura had this purple team, right? Yeah. I saw it's hard to see about it's a great apartment sometime. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Writing side on the dark outside. It was a great contrast. I think let's dig into I keep calling it episode 47 in my mind that I think episode 47 was sometime last season. Let's dig into day 47 we have this is the first time we've got a good chunk of dialogue from Kincaid. There's a lot more to him than I expected. So we have Kincaid who is a videographer and evidently wanted to go into film and being a fighter. A pilot was his backup. It's a heck of a backup job. Yeah, it just shows how like Cutthroat the entertainment is just seems like a good plan. No, I really I really appreciated this because you get somebody who obviously like studied film and has a love of Storytelling and cinematography you get his perspective on sort of day-to-day life being aboard the atlas. That that was that was probably as somebody who likes study telecommunication in school. I really appreciated that. So I was like I can get behind what Kincaid's doing my love that almost immediately. We added razavi to the mix. So we have two very very different takes on what this documentary should look like because she is extremely action movie vibrant characters. This is gold we need to keep it and Kincaid would be perfectly happy making another documentary on. On fermentation and we have yeast as a through life, which I'm not a sentence. I never thought I'd say it was that the contrast between them was it was great and the humor that comes out and it also lends to their characters like you get to know them a little better. This is like can K is very matter-of-fact. I just want to document this and it's not for anybody else and there's obviously let's make something awesome. Give us a mischievous. I like a lot. I feel like she would have done really well in reality TV. Yeah, I mean the Colleen bit absolutely the extreme gardening. Yeah, it's fun because Kincaid yeah just wants to like sit back and let let events unfold naturally and razavi wants to manipulate things very much like you do in reality TV. Production. She's like we got to go in for this angle. We have to get the love angle in there and we have to spice everything up. This is so boring. I think we need Sabe Hoss actually. Yeah, she is really good at making that great sense of the Canada the conversation work right angle. Yeah. How many cameras do you have? What's your special effects budget? Looks like we've all worked with someone like that. Like can you can you just you're you're the second ad can you let me make two my profits? It's just fun because he want he just wants to see the day as it happens. And she's like this is my vision. I'm going to make something amazing and I love for me. It's the contrast between a call of ends and qurans interviews where call of an white bread cut and dry boring is anything it's very factual and then She intercuts and says, alright. Well, you know, that's the facts now. Tell it like you were telling an awesome story to a buddy at the gym and it's the exact same story because this is how call event does and then we cut to Koran who has his own jump cuts for some reason his own sound effects provides his own Shiro voices, which are wonderful like Koran is kind of everything resolving wanted to the point where she's almost not necessary for his interview. Right. Yeah, documenting call Devon and the Quran. Yeah, it makes somehow funnier. I really liked how the sparse use of Music in this episode because you know, you go into a documentary most of the time you're going to focus on diegetic sounds but when correct is being interviewed all of a sudden there's a sweeping score to accompany himself made sound effects because it's Koran Like that's just it. I wish we could have done a episode just on the day in the life of crime. I've been amazing follow him around. Yeah, he's dating life. I want to see it. Honestly. I would have loved a full up and down recap show where it's just him telling the story. Maybe some interjections, maybe a couple people going you forgot this part or that isn't how that happened or I never said that but I would love Koran doing a recap show. I I think it's kind of funny that in this episode. We have Quran relaying a story in a very exciting Dynamic way and then in the next episode, we have a piece of merchandise that refers to him as Quran Quran the lying people the next episode have a bit of a problem. That's also true. But you just you live with his foibles. But yeah back to the music we have it for current we have elevator music which I think is one of my favorite things ever that the atlas has elevator music and we have that rock and roll riff for Colleen for the again extreme gardening right music was really good. It was really well thought out on on balancing between live footage and accentuating the scenes. I was working on the the sound design for this episode a particularly challenging because a lot of times you're there are deliberate distortions and you have to make it sound like parts of it are being captured by an internal microphone. Wow. We didn't have any we left that to the composer and Joachim and Lauren and and how they sought sought it we mostly just like we add a little sound effects during the animatics stage. We don't have anything to do with the music. But yeah, it was it was pretty amazing. Just watching the final product for the first time. Like wow that pulls the scene together. So well, I love this through line of the battle scene with I'm calling it The Space Kraken because we don't really know what it was. It was a giant squid and a gas planet that's two things. You don't ever want to deal with together at the same time but going from but becoming this found-footage aspect and it's picked up by BB. It is picked up by the mice and we get to see what's going on on the bridge and out the window and just all of those different movements and all of those different perspectives on what happens on the atlas when there's a battle going down. It was incredible to watch. Oh, yeah. It was it was a lot of fun to figure out like what does what and how how the interior kind of collapses and what the view is and and hint at things. It was a lot of Finding that story borders did an amazing job of capturing that yeah, I think it's very clever to show the transition. Yeah, it goes out that at some point they drop to the camera then that baby. Yeah, Mom's than going to the the Commander's station then we saw that yeah, it was a shape of that. Even the shape of the camera is perfect. It's a ball. Yeah dogs pick up balls to retrieve also be a natural thing to do so The POV the dog is POV. Yeah, so we are seeing the pentagirls on the part around. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Yeah the great anger for okay for a couple minutes. It was very reminiscent of Cloverfield. And so I wanted to ask where there any specific films or TV shows or documentaries that you guys Drew from for direct inspiration. I've seen Cloverfield and a lot of the found footage with Paranormal Activity and stuff like that. I don't know if I pulled anything maybe subconsciously I did but not directly. There's no point where we turned on the night vision and found a monster in this field may have traumatized me. I have a love-hate relationship with a lot of found footage horror movies. There's a lot of cleverness, but then there's a lot of contrived Miss to so like every time there's something clever and a found footage horror movie. There's also something kind of cliche and so I always appreciate when when the documentary style is done and something is new is done with it. So I really liked this episode. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah doggie cam Mouse can actually we had I think we're pretty long on this episode. So we had to cut out some of the some extra footage of the camera floating through the atlas and like there's a one scene that was cut where the cameras floating through and you see the wolf just floating just floats by You see the wolf just gnawing on something and just floats by a lot of seems like that were cut for time. I thought was kind of fun funny. Yeah, but that the whole way the cameras fans are really cool. Yeah, they really are was were there any other cutscenes were there? I like this is the kind of stuff. I really loved are asleep. I think it's left on The Cutting Room floor. Yeah, I think that was one scene and then there was a cup. I think some scenes are just cut shorter like some of the Logs cut out or something. There's some great Quran takes that were unfortunately cut out for time. It was like just just so funny Rhys Darby's just amazing and just like I don't we don't have time but it's so good. We want a whole episode of just Corral ya 30 minutes of Quran outtakes and then speaking it like I have to say my favorite line in this episode because I am a terrible person. Person was cutting back to the MFE Fighters after the space squid fight and Griffin just going. Oh Chuckles. Oh, honey. This can't be the worst thing you've ever seen poor Griffin. It's those what it's just this little teeny scene, but I absolutely loved it because we mostly just see the combat facing side of things. We don't usually get afterwards after the Unless there's some big dramatic moment going on. So talking about it afterwards just like tentacles we can just imagine. Can you imagine how the tentacle was of time on the internet? I will refrain from yeah, no comment. That's none of my business. We're all just like, oh, okay moving away from that. I did love the individual interviews that we had going on. On that resolving was trying so hard to set up with varying degrees of success. We talked about call of an and Koran but our other interviews gave us a through line for the story. We had an interview with Keith and Pitch talking about heading down to the surface finding a disabled robeast. We talked with Romel. There we go. That's the name and talk with a Laura and we have this through line about finding the finding the altay and pilots and trying to get through to them and this marked lack of success. And frustration on a Laura's part. Yeah, it's it's it's been really hard watching her this over the course of this season because she's been hit with roadblock after roadblock and especially after episode 6 where she made the the choice to let her nerve ago like those decisions are weighing on her and you I feel like we really see that play out in episode 8, but we'll get to that. That we have I wrote down three or four lines from her and I'm having trouble finding them in my notes because I need a better note system though talking with a Laura. Do you think we'll ever find on irva? No, I think she'll find us. Yeah pretty dark. I mean most things around Elora this season have been pretty dark and I this is going into spoiler territory. So we'll save it for a little bit but knowing what happens and then re watching In the season bit by bit. It's easy to see the ending developing the way it is like when you know that that is what's going to happen. It's easier to see the steps that led there. It's easier to pick out the mounting frustration that she has and all these roadblocks. She's experiencing. And yeah, the the ending to me makes a lot more sense on a second watch through right? Right. All the little seeds that have been the writers and what came in Lorne planted along the way to get you to To the very end. I think it makes it satisfying especially on the second watch through or the Third Watch. There was like, oh I see where it comes. Sometimes you're watching like other shows like, you know like that came out of nowhere, but when you kind of watch on a second viewing, you're like, oh I missed that. Oh, I get it now. So this is where that came. Yeah, and this watching this season the first time through you know for one you probably Marathon it for the most part for another you spend so much time going. Oh my God, how are you going to end it what's going on and screaming into the void and every development that you miss stuff. So a second watch through and I say this to everyone who's watching this who may not have watched it a second time second. Watch through is really beneficial. Yeah, plus you enjoy it a lot more of the second time. Oh, yeah. This is the documentary episode. Yes. Yeah, it's cool to see where those Platt threads ultimately end up leading. But I also like it and again, we'll talk about this a little bit more when we talk about the next episode but I like the sort of dark mirror aspect about how a lot of this season is building towards this confrontation specifically between her nerva and ellora. They they come from the same Planet. They experienced a lot of the same loss and they're both feeling this relentless. To get when they want so it's an it's an interesting parallel looking at the two of them. Yeah, especially on Laura's story line for the season. It's like she should be elated to see the other LT hands and should be a happy moment. But it's now it's just dread and roadblock after roadblock and it's like she's getting turned away by our own people and it's it's definitely yeah, you spend so much time thinking you're alone and then you're not and then it turns out you're just as alone as you thought you were right, which is almost worse like oh my God. I'm not the last one. So my people are still around and they've all been brainwashed and identical great. Also, like how a hunk tries to help them. It's so perfect. Yeah. She made she makes sweet. Is where our yeast through line and are all tan through my come together and seriously the sentences tonight. This is where they come together because we've seen a lot of work trying to bring in the all ten pilots and trying to reach out to them with varying low degrees of success. And we've also seen hunk working on different batches of things trying to find a specific strand of yeast from Colleen all in order to make this traditional alt a into served and presenting it to the ltalians with Just the most awkward moment. I promise it's not poison really good. Come on guys. I will say though. I feel like given enough time hunk, you know in the kitchen could definitely achieve Universal peace. Just give it enough time that man could bring peace to the entire universe just from his kitchen. I met we talked about that a little bit on a Garfield powerful snake. Yeah, like choosing hunk as the Diplomat because he gets along with Everyone. So yeah. Mmm put a good meal in front of anybody. They're not going to be they're just going to be eaten and join themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, actually it opens up. Yeah, they are hard work. So I really like I really like the way he put it like foods have the ability to bring up certain memories and maybe the memory of this particular dish will remind the moat of a time when they could smile a lot easier. It was really poignant. It really sweet. Yeah, and I do like that Tova is the first to open up and Tova is the one that they're looking to kind of as their leader. Yeah, it was funny like just watching everybody like as he's like lifting the cookie everyone looking at these are our enemies and they're trying to feed us and oh, oh, this is actually really good. Just stop it. Like home and this is like, oh it tastes like a home. They never knew right because this is multiple Generations removed from well, we don't know how long I'll Tans live on average but 10,000 years I'd say is longer than they have. So this is Generations removed from the last all day and who would have ever seen I'll Taya so presenting them with this traditional dessert and then saying well, I can't answer your questions about all Taya but we have I'll take it serious. You should maybe talk to them and it works. Yeah, and it's the first time that this has worked. So it's less reaching out with compassion and more reaching out with a different angle of compassion. Yeah. Well, it stopped being an interrogation at that point because they weren't cooperating. So every time yeah, they went to talk to them. It was very much an interrogation setting bringing food into the equation is it's nowhere Making bread together. Yeah. Well, how long will not so much in a holding cell though? You are here's some food. It's a cozy holding holding sad throw pillow. Great. Try to make it a little homier. Yeah a whole be cell. All right there. I think we've touched on just about everything in terms of overarching things. One of the things I do want to touch on before we move on is we have a scene with Kincaid saying goodbye to a character named seok Jin which seems like it's just a normal scene on the surface and then you hit the end credits of the series and there's an in memoriam. So can you tell us a little bit about sub Jen? He was an amazing. I only got to work with him a short period of time but he was an amazing storyboard artist that studio mayor who tragically passed away in a car accident and then the Sun and kind of touched us all how hard he worked and how talented and how much you know, we had looked forward to his he had can't say how you know, that's kind of tough. Yeah. Put into words. But yeah, so the crew really wanted to do something special for him and his family and Studio mirror and it was it was kind of a last-minute thing, but I think it was very poignant and It's kind of in the tradition of in or not tradition, but part of in war you have people come and go so it kind of fit the theme also. Yeah, it was a beautiful send-off and thank you for talking to us about it. Is there anything else we want to touch on for this episode? Is there anything else you have to say about it? Any fun moments that we forgot? I always like asking what was the most challenging aspect about directing any given episode. So I am assuming it was the extended sequence within the hallway. But but yeah it was was there anything else that was a particular challenging thing to choose sort of tackle? I think every episode has its challenges. I think this one was Finding. Transitions trying to lock the camera POV down and keeping track of like the battery life and all that stuff and just the multiple things to juggle stuff. You don't even think about but yeah, the the battery starts to deplete as time goes on there's a continuous time stamp the entire time. Yeah. There are a lot of little details to keep track of when you change the point of view like that then that One moment where we get footage from pidge's visor? Yeah unexpected, but great. See ya. Ya ya coming up with those transitions was the check the Big Challenge in that that episode now it was very well put together. We enjoy the hell out of it. Obviously, I think so. Yeah because the chance that it's a documentary so it doesn't have to be set up but actually we have to set up here each. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very challenging. But yeah, it's paid off its great episode. Yeah, those transitions were seamless. Oh, yeah, it helps a little bit antastic lie. All right. 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Yay reminded me a lot of space small and that one care. Doctor has a life-changing spiritual and everyone else gets to go screw around. I love it. Absolutely. So yeah, it's pretty fun fine. If soda yeah, except are rude. I have to mention that when we should start with a Laura. Okay, although you were saying something I was just about to ask. What was your favorite part about directing this episode? Oh, yeah, of course Connie body part. It's a lot of fun putting people in different. Yeah. Yeah older adults Paula Dean's and other arthropods crew. Yeah just goes to go to that product to provide free security Council today old enjoy talking about. It's very fun. Yeah, then Keith being the only one to take it seriously because he's Keith and this is yeah it does. I think one of my favorite bits was him going around and asking people like have you seen any suspicious activity and they're like, yeah, it's real suspicious and real shady at least happy enough to go. Wait a minute. It's me. Okay. All right. I've been around long enough that I can pick up on these now. It's like oh sarcasm. That's what that was. I get this he's Learn how to people I don't so I really yeah, enjoy the to see all those carnival games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for example the pH praise our workout I could correct the wrongs. Yeah. Absolutely. I stirred by the ring. It was just incredible to watch like oh my god, dude. How did you fall for literally all of the tricks every single one? Yeah the shoe think the games and that it's a fun ride Korea Dave, right? Yeah. Where's Hong Kong the kiss that's your best part two to that moment in there when they're riding is so funny. Yeah. I absolutely like. Oh honk we've had It's a off-camera that that was their favorite everyone who's been to Disneyland or Disney World at some point has probably gone on Small World and they've revamped it. I want to say within the past decade. So it's a lot nicer than it used to be but it's definitely the last ride that you want to get stuck on when the ride breaks down because that earworm of a song is that it's a thing it isn't thing that songs. I think it starts off with hung saying I don't like rides. I don't want to do that right and immediately going I love and he he is in his own personal. Hell, it's like yeah hunk went on to this right thinking. It was going to be like a one of those scary dark rides. We're like, yeah sort of creepy carnival ask but Keith ends up being the one terrified. Like I did two years in the quantum Zone. I'd rather be back there man. That's better feel like hunk would really enjoy Disneyland. We had this conversation a couple Seasons back about what would they do at Disneyland who would ride would who would run into park security and then the wonderful princess Ponies made us our own Voltron Mouse ears, which was great. And and now we know that hunk would absolutely Fantasyland and keep putting it in trouble for trying to leave small world for Lucifer. I'm just straight up busting his way out of the Ride Like That is desperation. Well, I love the the comedic beats of it of the they get stuck on the ride. It gets going again after after an extended period of time and then it gets stuck and then he's like, okay. No, I gotta go. I'm down. It's just not been fun for Keith. He takes it too. Seriously. He finally does something fun. And it's just the one thing where nope I thought that was a great opportunity. Finally kiss. Enjoy something but no no, yeah too much Call of an influence at the carnival. That's true. What would he have done? Left I don't understand that. What does that word mean? He is actually keeping up a perimeter around the carnival doing this to keep writing rehab security. Yeah. It's like I'm good out here that's called a man's Carnival experiences. It was a great day. We provided security. I want exactly 30 Paces to the north. All right at this time. I did this and saw this. It's nothing happened. It's amazing because that's great. And he's just like why didn't you take me with you if I was had by all except for Keith? But yeah, this this was also a morale-boosting exercise because the conceit is yeah. We're here to provide security and also make it up to these people for ruining their last clear day, but also everyone's been really depressed since we lost honour of us. So let's just let's just chill for a day. Well, Make some time. Let's feel better about things. I think they need it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah and also cold on. Yeah. I'm getting to the competition. It's called Yama Yama Yama amazing. Yeah. I love that yellow mores and learning to call ya'll Morris from his great grandpappy and whatnot. Just been a running thing with Koran and it comes to fruition with this competition. Yeah, then that ya then. Yep, I not eat ya called on is what's given I'm a lard in recognition of your mark audience Kim. That's amazing II think I was astounded that there were other people who had that skill and then on top of that that there was a contest to determine who the best and just oh she didn't twist on this technique. She's good. I can just imagine Reese just I don't even know what the directions For the vocal direction for that would have been would have been just like, oh just make noises you'll we'll figure it out. Here's the audio of the y'all more call. You did like four seasons ago do this, but more. Yeah, how did amazing? I mean, it's restar be you just believe in him he found a way but I that was a fun thing to watch Pidge. Judge here trying to win prizes and getting tokens from her parents. I know if that the pups to yeah, and just Colleen being Colleen is the reason that this family stays together and is amazing as it is because Colleen gets things done and she doesn't let her kids run roughshod all over but like I love Sam Sam is wonderful. Sam also has a big soft spot for a dog is like, oh, okay. How many do you have? He's like no, Just cancel didn't I just begging she's never made puppy dog eyes. Okay. Yeah how much I love that that's this is the relationship that she has with her dad and the relationship she has with her mom is a hundred and eighty degree turn like Colleen drives the hardest of Bargains. Yeah caught in its above a cop a bob. Yeah. She's incredible. She's one of my favorite aspects of the the this season in the last one adding her as a character is just a wonderful decision Colleen is a Queen We Stand a queen. She is incredible. And again, she she's the reason things get done in this family and I wrote down the bartering sequence for this because I loved it so much and I'm trying to find where it is. Yeah she calling you. Family picture Pidge gets to pick the costume Colleen gets added something and Pitch has to smile a smile deal. It just it does such a great job of painting what their home like painting a picture of what their home life is like you just the fact that Paige went to her dad because she knew that her Dad wouldn't be able to say no and the mom not standing for that. It was it was really fun watching that whole sequence play out as a pair. Not that that really Rings true. My daughter's my daughter's play off my wife and I all the time I asked my mom says no they come to me. I'm like, what did Mom say someone do that to me at work today Beyond angry when I found out. Oh, yeah, no adult still do that too. But just this family Dynamic and Matt's girlfriend partner question. Is he dating a robot? I think it has some Adrian. I think she's just in a helmet. Yeah, it's hard clients. I'm not sure but yeah, I like that so she's part of the family now sweet. That's hot alien girlfriend dresses up with the kigurumi picture with the family. That's how you know, it's real. It's so cute. It's absolutely wonderful. And so pidge's eye is on the shiny helmet prize because something shiny for a Laura is a thing and they this is not a society that believes in crowns. This is a mining Society. They're going to have a golden mining helmet with all sorts of jewels on it because of course. It was a nice touch. I think that the level of Ass that this Carnival this Carnival employee had like a really excellent writing just when it came to writing her every prize is the best prize and here's a shovel so I can dig yourself out of that hole. Yeah. Yeah, I could away she is saying okay then and just to give it. Yeah just this disaffected teenager who this holiday comes once every God knows how long and she's He's working it. Well, it definitely read to me like a teenager who's here as a summer job that she can carry, I guess it. Yeah, every prize the best prize even gonna try to sell this because let's be Real it's funny money and she prizes but whatever it pays whatever bills I have as a disaffected teenager and then Shiro an arm wrestling. This was a thing of Wonder and Glory. Oh my God. This is fabulous him on degrade or Italian character water. No. Yeah and just this conversation about oh, you got me fired and it was the best thing that ever happened to us. I figured out what was good in my life. Life and I my favorite thing was your comment because again honoree watch were noticing. Oh, hey, that's Curtis. So Curtis. Does this we watch with the subtitles on boiler alert? It's a character that's there on the bridge. And and so yeah, I think I do have to put your comment behind a spoiler alert. I guess we'll save that but it was like a good one. I am I what I really love about this. First of all, I love just the whole set up to this particular point. Hotline because it's like this this guy you could tell like he was really annoyed about Voltron sort of role in the last clear day, but and he just sits down and basically manipulates them and she did exactly what he wants for the entire episode. He gets Voltron to come down and then he gets the the leader of their team to participate in this big championship by just throwing all of this shade armor. Curling is for the young and strong. You're old like me those kids. Where do I sign? She really gonna recommend and he's like dance puppets dance, but then it's just so much fun to watch and it's nice to see and everyone at this point has converged on the arm wrestling finals and it's great to have this Victory. Not only for sure. Oh, but for all of them, they're all kind of living vicariously through this. The I think probably a really great touch was when they were getting ready for the championship. They get like these cute stances where it looks like a fighting game connections that's available and choose your character character locking fighting game entrance like Shiro with the arm and then the Lord and just like you I love it the great bits of character animation. Yeah, you want the Voltron fighting game like the Voltron Marvel vs. Capcom. Might I am in I am in sign me up. Let's do this. We are real short on time. So we have to talk about the extremely upsetting Vision Quest is because she is we start with interviewing Tavo and turns out owner about has a long range kill switch installed and Oliver audio bands, like holy want to give out it. It's like if someone else was able to trigger cyanide pills and spies. What's pretty each what this is and Alaura manages to remove what is essentially a piece of the entity this thing that we haven't seen since the flashback episode from Tabo and we have it under lock and key and then she's she's feeling ill she's having a hell of a day everyone else go to the carnival. I'm going to take some R&R except that she starts hallucinating things hallucinating lotor. Mostly. Yeah, mostly just her ex coming back and being like, you know, you are. To yeah, that's yeah, that's very Hollywood Way. Yeah, that's said use are like, she's hallucinating lands doing and hundred when that doesn't work. It's like oh your current squeeze won't work. Let's work with your ex. I think one of my favorite aspects about this entire sort of Side Story is the the camera angles that you guys guys chose because it's meant to be very domineering very off-kilter. So was it sort of challenging sort of figuring out ways to show the the shifting power dynamics all ya got the sequence actually a lot short on those the Lord. Mm. Yeah Nolan takes thoughts it loading took a deer's sequences amazing. She's really good at finding the emotional emotional stuff. Yeah emotional. He'd send ya how to shoot it and she's amazing at doing that and this extended Vision with being back on all Taya seeing her mom seeing herself as a roby's pilot and killing part of all Taya to try to save it like and then the juniper berry and her room is sucked dry of quintus is like it was all a dream or was it spoilers? It really wasn't because that with long story short. Or convinces her to do drugs kids because it's kind of and she takes in the entity at wipes out like yikes. Yeah, those those seams are very quick quick cut spot. Yeah. Yeah those gets feeling a lot these days. I lie. I think the most emotionally devastating thing was seeing her mother just fade away. Yeah. I was rough. Yeah, her mom basically got fan. Oh snap a little. I'm so proud of you. I don't feel so good. So as much fun as we had this episode, we definitely ended on that extremely dramatic note of ellora making some very bad decisions and getting completely knocked out as a result just yikes. Yeah this again. It was it was a really good balance. Yeah of really really heavy high-stakes drama that was Really well balanced with the the fun sort of hijinks going on at the carnival. I do want to throw the spoiler warning down real quick because I do have to share that comment learn you haven't finished the the series put a I guess plug your ears come back in like 35 seconds. Yeah watching the Armwrestling finals and she goes this is when Curtis fell in love. Yeah, she's there. Yeah only it's all right. Yeah, he's looking over that stage going man. I can't whoo but all-in-all. Yeah, both of these were fantastic episodes. These were a lot of fun to watch they were emotional and all the right places. Incredibly. Well executed just Chef kiss beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much. Do we have anything else to say about these episodes where we start to wrap? Anything you want to let fans know about the behind the scenes? Yeah. Mmm, I do kind of wonder what Colleen warned about a certain type of yeast and what it would do. So Cody mentioned in your episode. So yeah, she gave actually, yes. She gave her she gave it to her without living juniper berry and then the hallucination killed. Yes. Deaf kid was a really good. It was a really good setup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah coding. Yeah Cody Guru after those dirty ready a lot. So just she can bring another one. So question mark are there any other projects that you're working on that? You can tell us about I'm still at DreamWorks working on a show called. Called keepo that will debut sometime this year late. All right, but that's all I can say really? Yeah. I'm walking out on Netflix Animation Studio then I'm working on the show called Maya and do that 3. Yeah. So it's it's a movie. It's came out of three or four years ago. Yeah. At the Netflix it's gonna be that got it. I gotta get you on the Netflix PR emails. That is a yeah, that's gonna be a blast. Yeah, um, where can the fans go on social media if they'd like to keep up with you? Got maybe Twitter Instagram and Tumblr. Yeah, what's your Twitter handle? I'll take the Honda is a it's a te. Kooti K. So Tek you are I okay. All right could be found on Instagram. It's MC underscore and then animate. Thank you so much for joining us tonight you guys, this is great. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for having. This it and make it work in the people find you. I you guys can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at the main one. That's thei mean Guin. I also deejay lost retrospective podcast called no love lost. So be sure to check that out. I'm Katie Cullen. 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It’s time for a movie and a carnival on this week’s Voltron after show! Hosts Katie Cullen and Megan Salinas are joined by episode directors Michael Chang and Rie Koga for Season 8 episodes 7 and 8: Day Forty-Seven and Clear Day! Day Forty-seven chronicles a day in the life aboard the Atlas, with plenty of found footage and a compassionate through line about food bringing people together. Clear Day brings us another Space Mall episode, in which one character (in this case, Allura) has a life-changing spirit quest and everyone else gets to go have a good time at a fun location. It’s carnival hijinks, upsetting hallucinations, and moviemaking all the way around on #ABTVVoltron! The Voltron After Show: Join the robotic lions in this intergalactic war against the Galra Empire by listening to the various recaps, reviews and in-depth analysis and discussion on each episode of the series. Not only will we break down the episodes though, we’ll also deliver all the latest news surrounding the show and have cast and crew join us. It’s the VOLTRON LEGENDARY DEFENDER AFTER SHOW! Show Summary: Voltron: Legendary Defender is an animated web television series produced by American companies DreamWorks Animation and World Events Productions and animated by South Korean Studio Mir. It is a reboot of both the Beast King GoLion anime series and the Voltron franchise, and its animation is a mix of anime-influenced traditional animation for characters and background and CGI for Voltron action sequences. Voltron: Legendary Defender is set in a science fiction universe where planetary energy called "quintessence" can be used to power vehicles and magic. The series follows the adventures of the Paladins of Voltron who must learn to work together to form the giant robot Voltron and use it to defeat the evil Galra Empire.

Hey guys, Happy New Year. I suppose can still say that because it's definitely still January. I feel that people kind of take the piss though. I've literally had someone say it to me in March. No, but anyway, happy new year new decade. Welcome to episode 20 also the first episode of 2022 incidentally, soTo be honest, it seems like it's been a bit of a count of a start to the year for a whole lot of people and that fucking sucks like half of Australia's on fire. There's potentially going to be World War 3. There's people really close to me in my life who are going through some real fucking hard times right now, and it sucks and I wish there was more I could do. And it makes me feel bad to be honest that nothing's going horrific lie wrong for me almost like I don't really deserve that if that makes sense. Like why is all this awful stuff happening to other really good people, you know, you kind of have almost the sense of guilt that you should be kind of sharing the burden to a certain extent. Thank you saying this to my partner and he's so smart. He was like, well, you know, there's got to be some people who are fine and remain strong for everyone else so that you can be like a good friend or family member or support person or whatever and I was like, you know what that's fucking a hundred percent, right? So yeah, if you want to talk not necessarily for the whole world to listen to but Just in general here. I am on my couch with graham. He's great for a hug. So yeah, keep that in mind, but we've got a guest on for my first episode this year. Now, her name is Nicole and pretty cool story how I met her. So actually when I spoke to her on the phone yesterday she was asking me how I kind of found people to be on the podcast and the thing is is that I don't really like seek people out I saw Of just encounter people in life, and I'm just like you're fucking awesome. So so far. I haven't actually really had to seek anyone out. I feel like I might have to start though because there's only so many people in your life. You can kind of force to be on your podcast before you've got to go further afield. However last year. I reached out to Monash University in line with the work that I do for Monash Council, which is my actual job to create Like a mental health pathway for members of the Leisure centres that I work for and got in touch with Nicole and a couple of other students and they put together like a really awesome seminar for our members on the correlation between physical and mental health which obviously I'm super interested in. Yeah, so Nicole was one of the students but she told really well quite a sad story, but the The way she told it about her own personal experience, which she will share. I'll leave that to her obviously and it really touched me and I think it was because the way that she told it and just how I guess she's kind of used like her struggles and her adversity to pretty much make a career and it's have been her calling her passion. And obviously I find that very cool and very exciting. So yeah. He's so much Nicole for coming all the way over to share an afternoon with me. Welcome. Hi. Thanks so much for having me Sarah. I feel very humbled to be here. Oh, don't be silly. I'm very humbled to have you here. Thank you so much. Have you had a good start to the year start of the yeah. It's yeah, it's a crazy adaptation. You know, it almost takes half the year to start writing 2020 by the time you run start preparing for the next my God. I do that. Yeah, right the old year. So like six is really really good. You just kind of kind of just that your that year. Yeah. Yeah, but it does it's look it's been a sad start to the ideas for I'm country. Yeah percent. Yeah. Hopefully it will pick up after that. So yeah, what can't get worse right? Well, you know, that's how things work. You know things are in a constant state of flux and When they're at the lowest of lows there is nowhere else to go but up and when they have, you know, it's about not being complacent that things sort of stay good and it's just it's about being able to ride the wave and that's what but we all need to do in our personal lives and as a society and just got to keep riding the wave. Yeah, right everybody say yeah. I mean, I do think that it's been it's been really amazing to see how much people have come together and how much support there's been obviously from other countries as well as our own but it's just been quite incredible. We know definitely so, you know, that's and it's something that I think ties into everything but through definitely adversity support networks and just relationships and love it's it will always try like Triumph. It's it's just it's a human need as humans. We need people around us. We need connections we need support and yeah, I guess it's hard as true. It's times like this. Although they do show they give opportunity for that and to facilitate that sense of belonging and sense of unity and solidarity. Yeah. So this obviously probably quite a big part of your work personally as an almost psychologist almost nearly six years later. That's awesome. Dude. Yeah a long haul but yeah, no definitely psychology. Its hopefully it's you know, it really is for coming. I mean, I mean, yeah mental health and that is becoming one of the biggest burdens on our public health system and hopefully yeah, I guess government and that is recognizing the needs for it. And you know, I think you know, my personal five is to try and get some of that mental and physical health on par. Yeah Linda realize that you know, it's yeah, it's so important and yeah, I'll mental mental States it it affects everything so Yeah, it's a really important important profession and it's sort of like a you know, I thought I almost think everyone should study at some point a bit of psychology because it's just about relating to people understanding people understanding why they are the way they are why they do the things they do and yeah, it just helps to give that then understanding it, you know of what it means to be a human being. Yeah for sure. I mean I'd like your thoughts on this to be honest. Like why do you think there's such a need for mental health these days like why is everyone so fucked up? Well, what do you think? I think a lot of it really does have to do with a lot of societal Trends and cultures. Yeah. We've you know, we've made so much progress in many ways, you know in the world and in rights and values, but we've also regressed a lot I think. I think nothing in this world is inherently good or bad. It's how we use it. And that's that's the danger. Yeah and show, you know, even things like something like social media, you know, when landed in the wrong hands or when people aren't educated on Oahu don't actually have the right intentions and reasons for using these things that can go horribly wrong, but I think I think our world is becoming increasingly incredibly impatient. I think we've got a lot Instant gratification in our day-to-day life and we just want things immediately people really struggle to work through things. And I think people just want sort of very much quick fixes. And you know, we're just so used to having everything at the click of our fingers and a demand that people are really lacking almost. Yeah the resilience to overcome things and work through things and with our lives people ironically. I think I'm becoming more lonely in today's world and it links back to to this idea of you know connection and relationships and even though we're becoming more connected on one elements. It is creating a bit of an illusion of what that connection is, you know, I think a lot of people, you know, almost call them keyboard Warriors, like people say like most of the connections these days are behind the screen and it's so sad when you see even kids like these days playdates consists of everyone sitting on their phone on a couch how crazy is it? I had fuckin stilts made out of baked bean cans. Yeah and but the Rope No, it's just your tragic like Pete like, you know, I think people honestly almost losing the skills of how to actually have face-to-face person-to-person connections and relationships. And so there's that and I also think the world's becoming increasingly pressurizing I think the pressure into his world the demands the expectations the image that people have to uphold it can be just so so so destructive so I don't know either on the My head I guess those things come to mind just the pressure Rising society that we live in and look at that. I think that does linked to systems we have in place, you know, a big struggle I have is that in today's world. We all want quantifiable measures to validate ourselves whether that is, you know, you validate yourselves by how many Facebook friends and Instagram likes you have how many you know what your weight is on a scale what your salary is what your how much, you know we We want these tangible measures to to quantify and to validate ourselves, but they can be also so destructive. Yeah, because you know, its it takes away from you know your value for who you are not just what you what you do or what you can achieve and I think these These are inevitable in our in our lives and we're not saying that we can't have them but we need to learn to relate to them differently. It can't be the motivating factor for why we can't be the driving factor for why we do these has got to be the byproduct. Show us so you mean you want to focus on the mains rather than the end. Yeah, and the values which lie in the face of getting to the end and you get and you know, like people if more people in today's world did what they loved so many people, you know are so unhappy and they're doing jobs because it will bring that income. But if you know, if you do what you love and you know, and then your income become secondary to that, you know, if you form connections and then you want to build a social media network from that and that's fine. If you want to you know, it's what we were talking about. You know, what exercise how many people are driven by you know doing it for how you look and how you feel and it's just important to like keep these, you know, you had the values and the good intentions and the motivations of the Forefront and those secondary gains will come or follow but everyone's become very fixated on and I get it because I say we all want just we all want a tangible measurable quantifiable indicator of if we're good enough, but it's I guess we An idea of what success looks like and if it doesn't look like that will how will people know that we're successful Yeah a hundred percent yet. I mean at some point that links like a Stephen my story and you know a lot of my dad and he gets a lot of this is gonna come through that I've really tragically seen some really sad outcomes to this type of mentality and and sort of way that Society functions Are you ever happy to talk more about that? Yeah, so did I and I guess it you know, it all links having the same thing to keep recurring but you know mental health and their struggles. Yeah, they definitely don't discriminate. They don't discriminate amongst even socio-economic class race gender, you know, no one sort of escapes like or gets gets by untouched all the time. I yeah, I grew up in a really Really quite an affluent chords Community back in Sydney lived a very normal probably even sheltered life very privileged life. And yeah life drastically changed in about your end of year 10 year 11 had a huge family sort of Crisis and fall out. And once again a lot of the times it is around money and those things and it sent My parents into major depressions and there was a lot of real role reversal that I from in the 17 year old child. That was just trying to find my way and struggling with my own anxieties and perfectionism and academic achievements to suddenly have to take on some really difficult roles. And yeah, it's hard, you know, it's you know your parents when you know your parents you grow up and they're supposedly meant to be you know, these role models and You know, they're your hero is and your Pillars of Strength and your rocks and to see them deteriorate and crumbles. It shakes your whole world, you know from from parents or a mother who, you know ran her own business and looked after three kids and two sick parents and Wheelchairs and you know to then not being able to get out of bed was a really difficult thing to watch and and the involved in and yeah both my parents struggled in their own ways. And yeah, very tragically they're both. My mother did have a few suicide attempts at she yeah, thank God, you know did survive and then very tragically in 2016. My dad ended up taking his life and it's quite a unique case. I mean suicide in itself is a very very complex very complex phenomena and complex death. There's a lot of paradoxes about It's you know, it's a very very selfish act but very selfless. It's very cowardice, but courageous. It's it goes against our it goes against our evolutionary survival means but it was a pretty unique case because I think you know It is a very taboo topic and you know, when you come across people and you know, you even say you've lost a pair of no one would even fathom that is as a means of still get really awkward. I imagine that would make them very awkward it I read it as they go through this they say was cancer car accident, you know, no one yet people like 20 Christian you about it. Yeah people, you know, because I just know ask unless it has volunteered to be honest. But yeah I shave because yeah, I think it is about breaking it down. Serious, but now I say no he took his life and people are dead. They had can just seems crazy for him to imagine a parent because obviously it makes you think of your own your own parent and you know, you feel it and you just can't I guess it's something you just can't comprehend what else I mean most people can't comprehend losing a family member because most people have experienced it. Yeah, like the thought of that it's just it's just so shocking and so awful. Yeah, you know they say, I mean lots of you know that that was obviously the Pinnacle of the struggle but there was yeah a lot of there was through that period there was a lot of domestic violence there was a lot of yeah, it was, you know an external thing became what you know as a family we became like broken and there was yeah they a lot. Yeah huge amount of trauma involved and But you know and I always say that almost if I if I had a glass bowl showed to me, you know, 10 years ago. Well what my life would have eventuated to you know, I don't know if I would have been able to get out of bed back then. But yeah, this is what is amazing about about the human potential and about, you know resilience that we don't know about but the interesting thing I think about my case, I think suicide is for a lot of suicides are happen. It's a lot of the time out of the You know, it comes to the shop to people. It was a very unique case with some of my parents and guests particularly. My dad at that. It was a very openly spoken about thing. It was something that I was aware was going to happen there. He said that he was going to do that yet. How on Earth do you even deal with hearing that as a daughter? Yeah. How do you do good question. It this is look at everything that's happened my life. I think the hardest thing that I had to accept the hardest thing was to accept that that could have that that was an inevitable outcome that was going to happen and that there wasn't I couldn't do more to stop it or to save him I had did I did all I could for the years I lived at home. So this this period of yeah, this is the struggle and adversity and hardship. Yeah asked it from the year 2000 and 10 2 2016 our you know, we're talking almost eight years of going through this and yeah, the hardest thing that I've you know as had to accept that and I can't I can't help someone more than they want to help themselves. And that's a really really hard thing to accept. It's really hard. Yeah, but that and that's what's so so incredibly hard about mental health and this is this whole as I say the disparity between mental health is that when people, you know suffer from from physical illness and they you know, it's a lot of their recovery in that is actually in the in the arms of the practitioners around and you know, you have a you have a broken bone or you have a two-man you go to the doctor and they can firstly give you a very tangible diagnosis and scan of it and then and then they treat it and you know you very much your you know, your life is sort of very much in their hands, but when it comes to mental health, it says double edged sword that it is very much on the person's doing to help themselves that you know, you can only you can only give people you know, you can't take a horse you can take the horse to the water but you can't make them drink. Yeah. Yeah, so you've got to you know, and and and the and the bigger the hardest thing is that people do for fix into it and they think that they you know that they can't help themselves and that's why it's it's a Really hard thing but I'm I guess I'm just such an advocate for just empowerment and for autonomy that you know, just as we do and can get out. I don't think people cause a lot of mental illness. It's what we call it, you know in Psychology. It's you know, it's it's Gene environment its nature nurture its you know, you can have a predisposition but it needs to be triggered so you can make it worse or better depending on your lifestyle your relationship a lot of things and then personality if anything, I'd write a PhD one day is really interesting that people think. A lot about the time a lot of the time that it's just circumstance and it's and it's the illness but there's other variables, you know, you're and that's what we talked about inside because of the protective and the risk factors and you know, and you know support networks are a protective Factor, you know, risk factors and and personality is really interesting in my dad was a really easy going guy. And yeah, he was just he was he was almost too easy going and too complacent with Little that. He didn't have enough fight in him. Yeah, he didn't have you know the fight whereas, you know other people, you know, even other members in my life my family who always has displayed even these narcissistic qualities that I can really resent in life. It ends up being their survival because they thought that they were you know, they thought that they were really were like Gods give to this earth and that they were no actually there's as much as they were in their deepest depression. They weren't going to Going to call it quits. So it's a bring an asshole can have its advantages everything like that and it sucked, you know, nothing's adapt like everything in life. Yeah, it's not inherently good or bad. It's adaptable maladaptive depending on the circumstance at the time, you know for me to survive what I needed to do and go into survival mode, you know, my body was constantly firing, you know in my fight-or-flight mode into such severe trauma and stress and pressure and it Served its purpose for that time in my life. I needed it but my life circumstances have changed and I don't need to be functioning in that way. And so what was adaptive is now maladaptive where there's no sort of imminent threat that's there but my body still responds as if there is yeah and I'm you know, busy sort of trying to re and almost at I feel flat myself that I'm so used to thriving and functioning through dysfunction that without it. I feel flat and purposeless. I totally understand this. I guess it's the same as with any relationship. Relationship when it's high drama, you know, I guess toxic but you kind of get used to that height that extreme high that extreme low and then when you're in a relationship with is none of that and it's just you know, pretty steady. You think that there's something wrong because you don't have this constant drama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah humans we Thrive it always acts like its own form of like addiction Pathways. We do we become addicted to We we all want to play the hero we all want to be validated. We all want to be needed. And yeah, it's a lot of people feel uncomfortable. Sorry lot of people don't know how to be comfortable with being uncomfortable and my struggle the moments right into the larger comfortable with being comfortable. Yeah facts you're so used to being uncomfortable. I'm so used to be comfortable with uncomfortable. I'm so used to just You know, I'm being able to just yeah, sit through a lot of shit and a lot of you know, just discomfort a lot of hardship. So nothing's going wrong at you almost feel like something's wrong. Yeah, or you do feel like you're constantly waiting for something to do and then you almost had becomes its own almost, you know, you always and it's always like something has to be wrong than you started. Yeah looking for the law like you create it almost. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you just you become hyper you just hypersensitive to it. So yeah as hot as as hard as that was and yeah, and even though I cognitively knew that that was going to happen, you know it with my dad and you can you know, you can sort of prepare for that and have to work through that acceptance. Nothing prepares you for that finality because yeah death is just so final there's nothing else in my life. That is that final and irreversible everything in life can almost be rectified. But it sure yeah, it's an end to human beings. We actually aren't Yeah, we don't we're not almost made to understand what finality is and it's the same thing and that's why the grief Associated, you know, there's two experiences in life that they say are like just fucking hard and that is losing a loved one and like through death and also going through a significant relationship breakdown and they both grief. You're both they're both lost and I've sort of experience them both now and can therefore verify how similar the experience the feelings On that off because on top of sort of losing my dad and through this whole difficult period once again, I you know, I say that I was in a really amazing relationship. That was Stephanie a protective factor for me. I I moved out of home Simon identical twin and my twin that's cool built-in. Yeah - in this money this might not even be Nicole. She could have gotten ahead and fill in. Yeah. She's um, she's the greatest gift that Oh, I forgot in my life. And I don't think I would be able to get through I wouldn't have been able to get through what I have without without her by my side and I'm just very very very blessed to have an infield companion. That's really cool that a lot of people don't and that's why I've never really experienced loneliness in my life and to tell you the truth. That's definitely one thing worse than death in this world is loneliness. Yeah, and so yeah, I had an identical twin and through all of this. I moved out of home at 19, which was a pretty unique experience for my community, which was very sheltered and you sort of little you know, you it's an insult to your parents. So you like lovely aren't we getting married? So yeah like yeah and told ya it's an insult to your parents me about they want you to stay home. Oh my God, my parents would what everyone else are so time. I moved out that came from but so for me to actually leave home because of circumstance was a This was after after your father had passed away before I can't was even a hard thing to move out of home and to know that I wasn't there to micromanage. Yeah, okay to walk away accepting that and that's you know, another you know, the acceptance is just one of the hardest things in this world, but also the you know survival was also depended on cop metallization and and support networks. Like they have to think about those three things. I mean, yeah, I had to I think people go down when you start letting I guess That pain and suffering infiltrate into every aspect of your life. That's when you fall down with it. And so as hard as it was I had to cop ah mentalize that when I was at home and I was dealing with the shit. I was that's you know, but that was despairing and difficult and but then, you know, I try to channel other things and you know, it was about I couldn't I couldn't change that thing in my life that I could try take charge of other things that I did have more control over and that's why you know, I when I I don't know how I managed to get through my psychology degree. I mean, I wrote I wrote exam six weeks after my dad passed. Oh my God, and I had to get into I had to get distinction averages to get into honors. It's a think it did. It is only a hundred that go from a thousand and now I actually couldn't even and you want to talk about fucked up. So since this is where your best example of it. Is that even the psychology department the way they dealt with the suicide and that was just completely insensitive. You know, I said to them, I'm normally a distinction student. I Only to produce and get those marks, but I'm not sure if I can do it in these circumstances fair, and because that they gave me the option to withdraw bit of would have prolonged at a year and a half and I just my life already been put on hold so much and I just wanted to keep going for myself, but I said can you not share leniency that if I don't get those marks as reflective of circumstance and not my capabilities. Yeah, you said not if you get them all to go through you don't you don't that's just the way it works. You're a number at this point. And yeah. Oh, I really couldn't believe it and I wrote it anyways and said sort of fuck you if I don't get through like that's your loss to your University. Hopefully someone else will take me but I managed to somehow miraculously did it get distinctions and statistics. Oh my God, she's so defiant. And so yeah the fact that I got through that but yeah, you know needing to compartmentalize and sort of you know, when I was studying really focusing and interrelates, I guess a lot to be The mindfulness that whatever I'm doing to keep my focus on that, you know, and when I was with friends, I was with friends and when I was studying I was standing there when I was at home. I was dealing with that. But as soon as you sort of let that pain and suffering and You know trauma start to penetrate every aspect of my life. That's you know, that's a new book and that's what sort of depression is. When I guess it does when it does become all-consuming. So but then the hard thing is end in the year after that my relationship ended with my partner of five years. Fuck dude. Oh my God, so and I know you mentioned other day that grade being your constant in your life and I resonate with that a lot because yeah, my partner was also that The constants in my life the only stable thing through all of this so much what obviously so much instability in your life and you in terms of you know, you're not from here. You've moved to another country. You've had all this. Yeah trauma. Yeah, and then I had he was like, yeah, and and I think it was so crazy is that you know, he it wasn't. Yeah. He helped to really minute like take up so much of the pain. I went through he really helped me, you know, he helped to to minimize that and it's crazy to think. Think that and we went through quite a bad breakup and a whole change of character in him and I just yeah, I never anticipated that the person who had done so much good and helped me through the hardest years of my life could ever sort of cause it amount of pain. And yeah, so there was a lot of grief and that's he that was actually from Sydney and a part of the reason of moving to Melbourne was also I mean I got accepted to my Master's called. Yeah, but I also needed a clean break. He had actually moved from Melbourne to Sydney for me. So it's a bit of a mind about that years moved from Melbourne to Sydney and then I'm now Melvin yeah, absolutely. But yeah, the grief Associated it was just aquatic compounded the grief and the loss in my life that Nia and now is losing another significant figure in my life and now the male figure and what makes them almost more, you know too hard to comprehend. I mean as as hard as you know, as I said the exceptions of my dad's death was it is black and white and he's not here and I can't entertain the idea of having a relationship with him. But with with relationships romantic Relationships, you know the person exists in this world, but not in your life and you know, and the triggers aren't just past their present, you know going back to city and like, you know thinking I could see him and he has another partner now and it's just becomes really triggering and really difficult. And yeah, this year was sort of the first time that I've really experienced that that loneliness because I've actually spent more nights of My Life Sharing a bed with someone they're not you know, my twin and I shared a room for Twelve years. I had six years apart in the last five hours with my partner. So this year I've really learned what it means to be a self-sufficient or I mean, I've had a lot of Independence in my life and not necessarily individuality. Yeah, and it's been a really important thing to to learn and to become self-reliant in you know, let's not deny that there isn't room for support networks. But we do also have to learn that we have to somehow be able to regulate ourselves and we are you know, we only have ourselves that we wake up. Good morning to and you know, we can we can numb the pain in whatever way possible. But at the end of the day, you know, you carry it wherever you go. I think it's really hard to find that balance between needing to be okay by yourself. But also, you know wanting to have that support network. It's quite terrifying a hundred percent. You want to like give yourself fully to like a partner or be completely open and completely vulnerable with your friends or with your family, but there's always that fear that like what if they don't stick around? And and it's just so easy to hold back or not be yourself completely because you're just so scared that you're going to lose them. Yeah, I seriously to death but not exactly but it's essential and you know a lot of people live like that a lot of people live in that comfort and that protection and that defense mechanisms and it makes a hundred cents and what that's what I said is I one point in the time it really served its purpose and its survival mechanisms, but I'm a big believer and I maybe that's just because my tolerance for discomfort or distress might be high for other people, but I also used to live my life on quite a flat plane and I would prevent sort of the highest of high but also the lowest of lows and live at a steady Pace, but that's like if you can't have you can't have one without the other You can't and I'm a big believer that this whole you know there or do they always talk about like Murphy's Law, you know, every action has a opposing reaction and undue burdens Lori as a noisy on my face God's embarrassing but I've always could have had this analogy in my kind of had that it's like climbing a wall and the further you can't and the further you have to fall but the greater the hides you reach and and that applies to every bit of the view. So knowing the greater the greater the success that the gratification of it, you know, and this relates to Falling in Love. To succeed in your career that relates to achieving goals like, you know, high risk High reward, but I do think that that's ultimately what life is about and I guess my message is that you've got to just accept going into anything in life, whether any anything that you've got to accept that with those highs Will Come Those lows and I think I would as and look when I'm in those loads of those you like fuck this. I actually just never do that again. I'm gonna be alone. But with yeah, and I do think that that's what life is and as I said things are instead of flats and you've got to just believe in the process that you know with those apps will come as downs and it will and that things will keep you know, keep changing. So yeah as hard as it is, I think that's what makes life what it is and that's what that's what Drew up like. That's what that's what living is. It's being able to resume its whether weathering the storm and riding that wave and when things are good really appreciating them for what they are but not becoming attached to that. Yeah, I think yeah being attached to either negatively or yeah. Yeah, and and the exactly men would things are crying you're so bad not becoming attached to that either and that's why I'm looking at and it does come down to control people. We as humans want control and we struggle and that's why vulnerability is linked to control. But yeah, we At some point you have to you know believe yeah, you know put put it out of the universe as you say, I just believe that you know things, you know, I I've also grown up as a perfectionist my whole life and as that it becomes very hard to be content with any decision because you always think they could be better. Yeah. There's a better partner out there for you. There's a better Mark I could get there's a better person I could be and your only your only have like a fleeting moment of happiness, but cam I know I should have done. It's so disruptive. It comes from a really positive, you know, a personality trait to be ambitious in this but you know, everything life is that has it is the hardest thing to achieve in. This was nothing else that I mention you it's that fine line before, you know of compassion and criticism of complacency and accepting your capacities, but also like extending them it it's so hard to navigate. It's so so hard but we've got to constantly just keep striving striving for that. But yeah as a profession is that then My psychologist really said to me that it's true like there is no right decision. You make a decision and you make it right. Yeah, there is almost as arbitrariness of like, you know, what is right or wrong and and people put so much effort in this world about thinking about what they should do and into the decision-making process itself where the real effort comes into once you've made the decision making that work not choosing which partner you're going to enter into relationship with people, you know, invest so much energy to that but it's once you choose a partner making it work with Partner once you choose that Korea making it work once you choose that and then it just based there's infinite possibilities. There's infinite careers that we could do and causes we could study in people we could be with and and therefore we you know, we've got to just I guess yeah, as I say not become so attached to to what it is and just be confident in who we are who we are and that will carry you not what you do and not who you're with and you know, it's that internal locus of control. It's like a really just under links back to the you know this empowerment. And as I said just as people can get themselves into the shit they can get themselves out and as hot as that is when you do it's incredibly Satisfying and rewarding and you grow so much from it as well. I feel like I've only become a better person from like hardships that I've faced and stuff around gets it, you know, you don't you don't escape it you get it at some point or not and in your life and as I say that it is it's all relative. I've spent my high school days crying and my early years about of high school crying over school and I can and academics and I you know, I cried if I didn't get the 90s and 80s wasn't Not that then when shit hit the fan with my family and I go to a big wake-up call but you know, I and I guess I have you know, I always think about how the hell did I waste so much emotional energy on Such trivial things, but that things are like that's what's real to us at every point in our life. That's all you know, and that is as real to you and that's why people despite their circumstances in life can relate to the same feelings because it's that's you know, you still feel the same things even if the causes are different but yeah, Perspective is another huge thing this perspective and gratitude. They really are and I are throwing around a lot and they cliche and but they're so true respect. You know, when I was 10. I came up with this full pillar value system and it still holds true then hang on. How do you attend but I was 10. I was seeing how many pieces of gum I could fit in my mouth at the same time. Like ten however, you know, maybe I was 12 13 because that's a way better. Can you please tell me about this? I've never known value was when I was 10. I just said that in life, you need acceptance balance consistency and perspective. Holy fucking shit. That's amazing. But it just it still holds so much truth acceptance of the things you can't change and acceptance of Things are and balance between things and consistencies like integrity and perspective and you know, yeah linking all you know, all these loose knots is that are you know, I think my passion for psychology honestly probably also came through growing up as an identical twin and watching another person, you know, so many people so many children in this world grow up very egocentric, you know, it's about me me me and but I yeah, I've always grown up with another and I guess watching her and observe. Being her spotless interest of like fascination with like behavior and human behavior and why we are the way we are so that's sort of what sparked on yeah the interest in Psychology and when all of this happened as I said was that I found in you know, I feel qualified by life experience. Yeah that's need the paper to verify that but I'm to tell you the truth. I have my own complex complexities and struggles with even psychology as a discipline because you know, You know accepting that I couldn't even save my dad and I couldn't help it makes me think about you know, what's the what's the point? What's the point? But yeah, I think and that's how you treat the lesson of acceptance of you know, I can't help someone more than they want to help themselves as also something. I'm gonna have to learn going into this career and that you know, you can't, you know, because things like guilt or is also a really destructive emotion, but I have definitely I'm at peace with that. I don't blame myself for what was I did everything And I could but yeah psychology the biggest detriment to it is that it's a very treatment focused approach and not a preventative approach so much more work needs to be done from a much earlier age. And once again resilience, it resilience needs to be taught and exposed to at a younger age. You know, I think in this world too many parents and it's they killed with kindness and like they want only the best for their kids and they want to shelter them, but they're not doing they're doing them a disservice you're wrapping something out. Cotton wool wasn't going to make it stronger right? Nah it but yeah, no it's because no parents and no one wants to see anyone go through pain, but you know, it's necessary. You know, it's we have to build it's like resistance training exactly like weights. Yeah exactly to build that resistance and you have to acclimatize to it and we just need more positive psychology. It's not just about you know, because the problem is people shit hits the fan and then they seek help and for a lot of the time it's too late for my dad. It was too late. What's your dad's to sing a song? Just or a therapist this my drive time he was and he was also on the strongest antidepressants that you can be on well and it just shows you your mind is stronger than than anything. Yeah. And yeah, it's I mean, I just had a you know, it was a lot of I mean the hardest thing I guess with my dad is I don't feel sorry that I've lost my father figure. I feel what what sort of eats me is is to just know that someone who I love so bad. Much and who I saw so much value in didn't value themselves and they didn't love themselves enough. They didn't think that they were worth occupying space and breath on this on this world in this world in tongues on this Earth and a lot of his struggles word linked to that. He financially and Andy's career like he you know that he could really he wasn't enough. It wasn't good enough. He he's business really struggled. And yeah, and it's a big thing, you know men and attaching their self-worth to their financial status and Korea and is just it's soul-destroying because he was an unbelievable father and son in law and I loved him for what he could give not what he couldn't that he just too much of his whole self worth was defined by you know by this number and by that sort of validation and this is I guess what I was leaving to back before about just the dangers of these things about attaching our whole self worth to these external measures. It's just really really dangerous. So that's why I guess I live my life with a lot of values at the call because you know, it's so easy to get caught up in all of it. But if you just, you know, keep keep those values and what matters most, you know, and that's why I said the biggest tragedy in life is not learning from the tragedy itself, and I just hope that I can I kind of think I know. I mean, I'm only 25, but I know in from just my tiny little community. 10 people that have taken their lives. It's a fuckload. That's a fuckload. Yeah. I know a lot of people and one always makes you think how many more do we need for people to start realizing as I said what's important and you know kids are taking their lives and suicide in because you know, they're not that you know, they don't feel good enough that they're not smart enough. They're not pretty enough. They're not I'm and yeah, and as I said, it doesn't discriminate even amongst Asian as you say if anything, it just gets harder because the older you are, you know, I'll neural pathways are just becoming more fixed and it's you know, we are the human brain is neuroplastic. But you know, it takes a lot of work to have to undo these core beliefs and these ways that we have been. Just living and functioning a whole lot. But that's why from a young age like at school school is just such a in your enemy even as an educational to be an educational developmental psychologist, you know could really see myself running programs in schools and what you know It's not just about teaching in their ABC in the mass but let's find out what their values are. Let's teach them life skills. Let's teach them, you know strength and resilience and and you know and building and you know, if I mean, yeah from a young age and teach them give them the vocab for expressing their emotions and teach them how to interact with people and how to deal with confrontation and conflict and you know, these things are just going to be so imperative going forward that if you know how much you know, You know majority of our Healthcare today is mental health-related. Not 70% of our doctor referrals are for mental health plans and antidepressants. And people just want a quick fix. You know, I have these I have a very, you know, as I say love like a lot of my own struggles with psychology because on one hand, you know, we don't want things to be to boot. We want people to talk giving labels, you know, depression and and all of these things once again, they're not good or bad but it's how we use them on some hand on some one point. I want had people use these labels as a self-fulfilling prophecy and they play victim to it. That's another big thing of An important thing for and I guess how I got through. My struggles is not playing victim to my circumstances. It's justifiable to it's understandable to that. I could have just you know said fuck it all it's too hard and just killed off into a ball and not wanting to deal with it, but that can really get you so far but yeah, not playing victim to your situation and knowing that you know, we can't control what happens to us. We can only control how we respond to them. We can't control the circumstances in life. What happens a lot of that's out of our control. Control, but we can control no one can take away from you your attitude and your your your perspective and that's something that is within our control and that's why even with psychology and you know, cognitive behavioral therapy. A lot of it's about changing our thoughts because our emotions are very very instinctive. We can't really control our emotions they come on very quickly and strongly but we can change our thoughts and how we think about things. And with that then changes the way we feel and then changes the way we behave so yeah, not playing playing the victim and it's just hard because it's a double-edged sword you giving labels and diagnosis two people on one hand can be really empowering you can give people an understanding of why they have been feeling the way they are a kind of like, I'm not crazy. I'd literally have yeah, it makes sense. I can climb balances and struggle but it's about using these things as I said to empower us and not to play victim to it using it to my using it as an excuse. Yeah, and that can also happen is this really fragile system that a lot of it, you know, it does become you know, I'm not getting out of bed because depressed people don't get out of bed. So I don't have to get out of it. Yeah, I'm not going to that party because I'm anxious so I'm just not going to go. Yeah. So yeah, as I said it all relates to its all at all that ballotine excellent and I said, yes so psychology, it's there's a big need for it that a lot of structural things need to change. And as I said just positive psychology is not just about you know, I like I've even been you know with only 10, you know fucking sessions a year to go see a psychologist. I've had to disperse them that only I only go in crisis mode only when I get you know, I mean absolutely crisis that do I utilize those services but how you ever meant to get above equilibrium. If you're constantly just trying to crisis management. Yeah, you know, so they just need to be a lot more resources put into it and that, you know, every single person could benefit from going to psychologist. I mean Around at every single person could benefit the amount of personal growth. You have self-development to just talk to someone objectively everyone could benefit from it. But yeah, there's just it's not as accessible and it's so expensive and people do have that whole kind of misconception of you. Don't say you see a psychologist because this Pride there's a lot of Pride yein, and there's but that also really sadly came at the expense, you know, like my parents are the this whole internal struggle that was having our family and I mean, yeah, no one knew what was going on behind closed doors. I opened up to my friends in the snap because I saw the value of confiding and people and forming those relationships, but my parents had a lot of Pride and in the end, I think it almost did cost it cost my daddy's life because you know not reaching out. I mean, yes, he had psychologist but not reaching out for the support network and not wanting to people to know what was really happening and you know in life we all grow up and we Either emulate everything our parents did for us or we will be different to that. But hopefully it helped all helps to shape us, you know, I've learned a lot through these experiences and you know, even through bad experiences of what I don't want to be like, you know, how I want to approach things differently how I want, you know how I want to be a different wife and mother and daughter and friend and and it's interesting how much he can learn what not to do from someone. I was talking to this about this with someone. Other day about different leaders that we've had and how you learn so much more from having a poor leader because you're like, well that doesn't fucking work. I'm not going to do that and also from you know, breakdowns of relationships and what you don't I do like a after-action review of things like relationships and weightlifting competitions and stuff like that. Just so that I can pinpoint like what could I have done better? Like what went what went wrong so I don't fucking go the next time. Exactly. What I'm saying right is tragic from these tragedies is not learning from yeah exactly, you know, and that's what they shoot in the moment and they so hard and that's why it's like this is so high but in the long run it's for the best and that's that also think relates back to what I'll save you in the beginning of this constant, like we need instant, you know, instant comfort and gratification that like, you know, people really struggle to like deal with the struggle in the moment, but like you need to do that for a better long haul, you know, but You know, we you know our tolerance everyone always needs to like yell tolerance for the stress and discomfort. Well, if you the thing is I've read this book actually which is kind of like toys saying which is quite interesting is that we're so kind of privileged and the society that we have so much and not a lot of things, you know, go wrong, right so you get fucking worked up and lose your shit over like the most innocuous shit. Like, you know, you didn't you didn't get on the wait list at your yoga class or petrol went up 10 cents a liter or strengthen a very entitled. Yeah, so it's like well, if you're not having those actual real-life issues like major crisis has you're not going to deal with that shit because you're too busy having a fucking suit because broccoli went up to seven dollars a kilo which is disgusting that they charge that much but you know what, I mean a hundred percent can't deal with like, you know, the worst thing that's happened to me this year is that I left my laptop on the plane, right and I was like motherfucker because Is my laptop but then I was like, you know, what like half of Australia's on fire. There's so many worse things that could be happening. It's just a laptop who cares and people keep going on. Have you found any got your laptop bag from like no. Oh well like yeah, it doesn't matter. So that's what makes it that. Yeah, but that perspective and that's why I like I also think a lot of suffering in this world. Like if it happens then at least let's like take the lessons to be learned from that and sharing and that's why Don't leave your laptop on the plane. For example, because Jetstar will not give it back to you. Ha ha ha some some fucker out. There has a golden MacBook Pro with a find gold wallpaper. If you're listening to that. I hope you're listening to this. You fuck. Good luck trying to crack my password getting in look. Anyway, I'm bad. But what you've got are you going to get as my resume and a whole bunch of photos of me? That's how you're lucky that most of you it was valuable things is inside your braids. So your life. That no one can take that away. That is true. That is true. And I have this desktop from 2006. So it's fine and their witness when there's a will there's a way actually what I'm what I'm interested in is how would you how would you advise somebody if they're they have a friend or a partner or family member who's experiencing really severe depression anxiety something like that. What do you advise as like strategies for them? Because I find it's like it's so hard having been in relationships before having friends. Kids that are going through the sort of thing is so hard to understand and so hard to know how to be supportive how not to smother how to give space but make sure they're okay like what's what would you suggest? it's so hot because the funny thing is is that yeah, it's still so individualized very person because people have different needs and you're going to bring that question down even further you're saying how advice that you would give to people who are on us, like I said position of being supportive and how do you kind of accept that it's not about you, but I think that's one of the hardest things having been in relationships before where I just can't understand the other person's actions and I've made To be about myself because that's the only way I can interpret being you know, ignored or being avoided is that it's something about me that that person doesn't want to be around and actually accepting that it's nothing to do with me. I find like that historically for me has been the hardest part definitely. Well the yeah look and that's what that goes back to get. It's about not in yet not internalizing it when people yeah when people I mean and that happens all the time, you know loved ones and that around as you know, they can really hurt us, but it's about not internalizing that and to know that you know, it's Yeah, you know we we all only have a finite capacity our emotional capacity, you know to deal with things and we need to be more selective of what we choose to dispel it on. As I said, it's a very fine line because you know for my experiences it's about you know, being supportive but it's about that like mine about also knowing when to self-preservation because ultimately, you know, and especially this is people really close on them. So you don't even talk about family members in this and that, you know, if you go down with them, then everyone's everyone's screwed, you know, there's going to be a level of you've got to be supportive but it really does go back to like, you know that oxygen mask on you first before you can help others. Yeah, you need to be support if you need to. it's it's really hard because I think I struggle with is also you know, what we think is best for people is also different from you know, what they might find this and that's also really hard to To learn to juggle and all of this is a work in progress. It really is. You know, it's so hard to sort of give distinct strategies or such that, you know choose empathy over resentment Choose You Know choose. Be motivated by love. And and and look it's we all have a tendency to you know, when you know, when people even talk about arches we can't help but try related to us, you know, we as human beings we want to try and fix it. Yeah, and yeah, we can't and I had to you know, as I told you that's been the hardest thing in my life is to accept, you know, the cases of when I can't change things or you know, my sister and I are both being even in the last few months really struggling with our mental health and particularly, you know, she's the most important person my world and I've taken Straining through seen her her struggle, but I said look if there's anyone that I wanted feel anxious in this world with its you. I'd rather feel anxious with you than exercise alone. That's beautiful. So I think people just need also learn that it's okay. I think people are scared of feeling of feeling the things and feeling the discomfort but it's also about that. It's okay. It's okay to feel these things and it's normal and it's like it is what it is. I think that's one of the heart like, I don't know my motto from even two years ago. It was you know, it is what it is. Yeah, so you've got to be supportive but balance, you know those boundaries and self-preservation. How people in what way they can and to sometimes, you know talking. I mean, I am at all it depends on people need, you know, some people really do need someone to talk to but sometimes it's also about learning to just do things with someone. You know, it's not You don't always just have to be talking and sort of trying to dig dig up. But you know, sometimes it's just about getting out there and being active and moving and whether or not it's you know, helping people to you know, go go enjoyed, you know, the biggest thing in my life is I can't take away the pain the suffering the trauma the sadness the loss all of these negative really difficult experiences and emotions. I can't reverse them. All I can do is try counteract them and Almost neutralize them with more positive. Yes. I can't give back as much good as you can as sort of going to balance everything out. Yeah hundred percent, you know, like you can't, you know, you've got to just I owe, you know, all I want to do yet or my in my life is yeah. I'm in it. I'm in a place in a capacity now that I can give my life for so many years people I was on the receiving end and it's about recognizing that a time's our life when we can give and in the times of our life and yeah when we need to receive but you know, I just want to enjoy life enjoy life. If and you know, just try make some more positive happy joyous memories because you know, we can't we can't erase the bad and it's about it's important that we acknowledge our past and our struggles and our difficulties, but also not letting that Define the future and it was a really hard thing for me to be able to Define myself who is Nicola outside of you know, my dad suicide and my academics and my you know struggles and I can Being a twin and like who am I outside of that? And yeah, it's important that you know, what all of these things have shaped me. We are all products of our upbringing they don't have to dictate your future and that you're a back to autonomy and that we are, you know, we have the abilities to to to create. Yeah to create the lives. We want to live and yeah, and I'm living I've seen I think I've just had a very stock. I very much seen, you know, I've seen people I've seen my dad and you know people waste their life away and you know, even when he was alive, like he was he was existing. Well, he wasn't living, you know, he was breathing and but that's not what living is and yeah, I just seen sort of people waste that away and I you know, I think that's giving me all the motivation that I want to live my best life. I want to live a meaningful intentional fulfilling life. And with amazing people around me. So it's important to stay connected even though I've even experienced myself withdrawing it when things get hard I've even found a times that I've withdrawn and that's because I don't want to be a burden on other people. I don't want to see them see me struggle, you know, because there's also been a lot of pressure, you know, even when I've gone through the struggles that even after this perfect no Nicole you're so resilient. You cannot, you know, if anyone can do it you can and I appreciate that but that also came with immense pressure. It is a lot of pressure to have that being someone who's perceived as quite a strong person is quite a burden it is because when you fucking lose it people are kind of like but you're strong. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah, we're not invincible and you know what it is. It's that yeah, the struggles are there and I'm honest and real about them that Yeah, it's about just time as I know time is also really cliche thing. But when you go through struggle time, it just allows that it creates a new Norm for you, you know the adjustment of often that you know not having my dad and losing him, you know, they you know, people think it's a cop-out answer but with time everyday becomes a day creating a new norm and add a further away from what was saying with the relationship breakup every day, even if you feel so shit every day, you've got to just know that like with time. You know, the cogs are working and processes are happening. And you know, you will learn to adapt adaptability is the most important quality of survival most important trait to survive in this world is adapt because as I said, that's about that no matter your changing circumstances you can adapt and that's hard for humans because we are creatures of habit and comfort and that's why people stay in a lot of toxic situations and act because it's very emotionally driven as opposed to logically driven. but yeah, if you've got to you've got to sometimes take the take the leap of faith and know that like this is as bad as they got to get and sometimes things have to get to that point of being that bad that there's nowhere else to go but up and maybe that's another thing that I can I guess advice I have to say is that you know, when you do see people struggling and you don't want to see them keep self, you know, they keep self-sabotaging themselves as hot as it is. You've got it all so just know that people will get to a point where something will change where they just continue like that, so Don't give up on people be there. No your know your boundaries know how to support people don't internalize the hurt that they caused you and yeah empathize as opposed to judge. You know, I used to be very judgmental person, but realize that when you understand and yeah when you understand you understand when you when you Find out and understand why people are they way that I yeah, you don't judge it make sense. And that's the reason if anything I the reason I share my story or you know, life narratives of people and that is not so they can feel sorry for me. But so they can understand why I'm the way I am. Yeah. I have the values I do and why I lead the life I am make living there's to just give context context is so important and a lot of the time we don't give people that chance. We just make judgments all the time. I'm Yeah service level in yeah, you know people would never believe you know, meeting me that you know that the other had the history I have but that's actually surprising a lot of the time you just surprised to think that the people that seem like yeah, they're almost got it all together and all the happiest. I've actually had the most amount of hardship. That's cool. That's really interesting. Yeah. so yeah, I don't have that advice is helpful that and hopefully that yeah, it's just just navigated navigated as you go don't put too much expectation to be a certain way. You know, let yourself feel it. I really do believe that, you know people really do run from it and they numb and they do whatever they can to escape feelings of pain and this and that but it will inevitably catch up with you. Yeah, you do need to sit through it as hard as that is. Just sit with it to really move past it you just sit with it. And yeah, I mean if you don't it just comes back to bite you on the ass. Really? Yeah, and you're not learning from it because you'll keep repeating, you know, and it's just it's not a sustainable way to go. You know, there's as I said, there's only so many, you know Yeah relationships that you keep jumping between so many substances. You can take so many, you know addictions. You can reply to other addictions Etc. I feel it's only since I've like, I'm m33 it's only been since the last couple of years, but I feel I've made like any progress at all intensive like self-development. I mean, I've changed a lot in terms of my habits my career like even the country I live in like all of those things have changed. But I guess inherently I've been like the same person up until I decided I was actually going to learn from my mistakes. There's no age Monroe that like you say 33, but Sarah there there are people that are set in their ways till 65, you know, there are people's drugs a little grumpy old people. You're right, but also don't have to ask me all people. I did a unit on it and at Union, you know, they actually more malleable and and adaptable than we think they are we give them credit for the lived hard life. So yeah, my grandma right she is probably she's one of those people who just could never be happy about anything. She complains about everything and it's fucked. It's really really fucked and every time I see her as when I when I go back home, I see it like once a year, I'd always be like see you next time and she'll be like, I hope not not cause she doesn't want to see me because that's how much she wants to die. Yeah, and I'm just like well, do you want to just feel so like Fuck I don't want to be like that. So that's like a there's a what not to do guys as well. Don't be like my grandma would be it's just really Bleak and miserable and it's like, you know, she's got a whole life. Well basically Waiting for God to come back. She's a very devout Christian, but she hasn't appreciated any moment that she's ever had because she's always been waiting for this thing to happen. Right and that's what she believes right? So who knows whether that will happen for her or not. Not but I guess it's the same as you know, you're constantly waiting for you know, then, you know, you're waiting for the one the person you're going to their relationship or to have a child or to buy a house and you're constantly like things will be good. When I get to this point when I get to this point well for her, it's always been things will be good when the god comes back. So basically when she fucking dies, so that's all people he needed to their circumstances if this in this change, I would be happy after this and this and that's why I like I'm a firm believer that like That's just not going to be because it's about delicious you chasing your carrot at the end of it. You know, what's that danged donkey? Yeah that thing it's you know, we shouldn't be motivated in this world out of like fear or out of you know reward we've got to find that inner contentment that just and and and that and that's what I'm saying. It's about attitude. It's really about attitude, you know, and being active and that's you know, and not play and and going out there and being active and and you know not Rather not feeling entitled that I deserve, you know, no one deserves any cures. Well ya know and people have a lot very easy to make and title. Yeah and especially saying because we live in a really privileged country and and placement and World especially in a country like Australia. There's a lot of entitlement but yeah, I mean what's really interesting is from the time I was eight my grandparents. I've noticed the difference between the mental and the physical health because my Grandma had a stroke so you didn't have his physical. Capacity but he had his mind and then my grandmother had a physical body. She was very physically healthy, but she was suffered major depression and was also an unhappy complaining misery and from even from eight. I realized that like my grandfather had a better quality of life. No, he couldn't dress himself and no he couldn't shower himself by the toilet, but he had his mind and he had his he could he could choose he's you know, he was able to still, you know, live the life that he could live to the bed. He's ability and my granny had all the capacity in the world, but she never had any of that yet, but positivity that gratitude the nothing and yeah, it's really it's really interesting that ultimately I do think that our happiness in life is contingent on our and up and our perception of it. And you know, that's why I go back to things. I've been grateful for what you do have and perspective of what other people are going through and as I say that perspective, you know, when you know, I've been in myself, you know, I lost a dad to suicide and the year after I was having breakdowns that you need and I thought what the fuck like I've literally been through like the worst in the sand like look at me regret regressing back to these old ways. But once again, it's as hard balance, I'd like it's that's what you know at that time in your life Mike. That's what you know, it feels pressing for you and I entered at validate that but also as I say not not, you know acknowledge it but to not let it You know ignores the struggles, but I don't let it you know, don't wait like know that it's going to come back around. Yeah, don't yeah, you know, as I said don't become attached and just You know just keep keep doing you do the best you can it's so hard when you've ever having those moments of contentment and you're feeling so happy with certain things in your life. You just desperately want to hold on to that state of being and I'm guilty of this because I do it all the time. I'm like things are great. This is good. This is good. I'm happy with this. My life is awesome. And then literally two days later. I'll just be a fucking wreck for some reason and I'm like, why can't I just be like that all the time and it's like but you you literally can't because you can't so nothing. From the beginning that everything is just you know, enjoy and appreciate that those good for one it is but yet don't become yeah, as I said it, you know attached to it. I've even felt you know this last year. I've had my highs and lows from being a walking zombie, you know being completely displaced in my world in my life, you know after this break up. I then went through like sort of these highs and felt liberated and I wanted to hold on to that because I'm also trying to make up with so much sadness and loss and like I even more than ever like really wanted to just keep you know, stay stay. They stay on those Highs but you know and now I almost feel like I've got no tolerance for folded for distress and for trauma and anxiety because you know, it's I've almost got an aversion to it. Now. You might have had your quota make to be fair. Yeah, but as I said, that's not the way life works but no food. I mean, I hope it's on her, you know people in this world complain about being bored in their Life's a lot of on expecially the younger generation, they're bored and you know what? I really think boredom does come out of a place of privilege. yeah, massively, you know I all I wanted to do is live would one day life because that would be present, you know without the drama and and the heaviness and it's struggle in the hardship, you know, but yeah, so, you know when people are bored and they bought in their life just know that that you know, always rather be bald than struggling but at the same time, you know, a lot of people probably actually I mean do want a bit of you know, a bit of adversity as he say to make these growths and And I think I had it in. You know, when you're one of the other podcast about you know, yeah inflicting upon ourselves. Yeah, I don't think we have to go out looking for it. But I just think that it's you know with whatever situations we have in our lives, you know start with that. You don't have to go looking for extra hardship and choose start little counts. Don't worry start with small Wings, you know, you miss that train. Well, don't let me stop you I used to get so I sold out, you know, I spend my life ruminating the past fearing the future. And once again, it's a buzzword but mindfulness like be present is just it's a really important. I think it helps you to just appreciate the moment. It helps you to see stay focused on what you're doing and to not be overwhelmed by what's to come or to not be despair by what was we needed just you know, and to also not be attached not to be attached to two things and to just everyone can really benefit from from that approach. Just learn to know just Be more, you know, we we live such busy scattered erratic lives. No one really knows what it means to take a breath and to use our senses and it's the smallest things. You know, it's a smaller things and addictions to phones, you know, when does anyone ever not do something and we always need to be doing something because that's we've just been programming why that if we're not being productive and constructive, you know, my sister and I and in particular looking my Society, you know, she just had this unbelievable pressure to maximize every moment of every day, and I think that does linked to watching you. Parents are not waste, you know waste days away. But you know, you can't live with that also that pressure you've got to learn to be okay with just Stillness Stillness. Yeah Stillness what and and yeah being with yourself and speaking with your thoughts. You know, I've never really been with my thoughts and last year. I lost it two years ago, you know threw myself into the seek the deepest ward of orders and when traveling for four months on my own from someone who's never like even being in a bit by themselves to you know it Was like it's really scary thing. That's fuckin awesome is really cool. And it was just yeah, it was an amazing it was hard but it was a really important experience to have to yeah to learn to just be with myself, you know, people need to just develop that comfort and self. It's not about it's not about the arrogance of being self confidence self confidence is important, but it's more about self-assurance. Yeah. I didn't realize how much of my He's a knife link to lack of self-belief a lot of anxieties come from a lack of self confidence and self-belief and self-efficacy, you know, we need a believe that we and and psychology really does fundamentally believe that the you know, that people are capable of like people of the know themselves the best better than anyone else and that we've got to try to tap into that and that we you know, we do know what's good for us and, you know, just got to you got to believe it and have good influences around. Do you because it's it's hard when you get I guess can be influencing him in the wrong ways. But are you gonna cut out the yeah. Yeah cut out the toxic PB selective of yeah did talk to people the toxic structures in our lives. Yeah, but we've got to you should write a self-help book. Ha ha ha if you're gonna have a self-help book, what would you call it? Oh, okay, you're lovers of the three words as well just to make her. Self-help book. Yeah, we'll just did what any book? Yeah, probably be well, I mean it's going to help people because I feel like this episode everybody. This is this it would be this is obviously also going to be the name of this episode's hahah. No pressure weathering the storm. Oh fucking nice. Oh, very good. Well done. I love that. It's the storm. Yeah. Yeah weathered many storms and continue to do and you only 25 amazing 25 I feel 45, you know, when they talk about your kind of logical basis your developmental age. You know, I'm I'm trying I'm trying to learn what it means now to e25 and to try reclaim reclaim that that you maybe you should get on the person's house my advice right? Good. Nice you sometimes you just need a you know, what the hell? Yeah. So when of the storm get on the piss, yeah. Don't take life too. Seriously, you're not Jackie. That's even and that comes from someone who's like yeah, I've seen life and death and everything in between but yeah, don't take life too. Seriously after the most serious podcast episode and the universe laughs laughs. Yeah, but don't ever get those wall hangings. Let's say them and put them out at your house because then you're the worst person in the world. It's a cliche but like, you know, just Smell the roses feel the Sunshine and counter and get on the bus and my sister just do ballroom dancing together all the time. You know what I did for New on You years I did karaoke and I'm the worst thing in the world like, I'm terrible. Anyway, I just didn't give a fuck. I sang share believe like at the top of my lungs. I did like to share impression, which was like horrendous. And actually I know it wasn't. Because a friend of mine video didn't play it back to me and I was like, oh my gosh, it's like the worst noise you ever heard your life, but she was like, oh my God, I loved how much he just didn't care. Sign it. Okay. Exactly. You're ever so much insecurity. Just I mean, I've got like no filter all the time. I don't even realize like I you know, there's no filter in and know I'm very aware in a lot of ways but completely oblivious in other ways, but you know, that's all so beautiful about children. It's like they don't care what others think they just are who they are, you know, just Just don't be oppressed. By the way that you should be and you know, there's you know, I'm weird and my life is fucked up. But like hey, the best people are though Matt the best people are but you know, it is what it is and I am who I am and you know, no and you know, except they're not everyone's going to love you and I appreciate you and that but you find that people are do you know, it really is true when they say that could well, I'm going to get the quote right now. Those who those who mind those are ya nuts? mind yes, that is that I always get that mixed up choking, but it basically and true. Yeah, that's why I surround yourself with people that make you you know, make you the best, you know, you can't change another person. You can really influence them. So that's probably also links to the whole thing about, you know, just don't put so much pressure on yourself to save and to fix people but you can influence them and when they don't, you know, when they still fuck up despite the advice you give them don't internalize that II don't I don't take it on board just Don't you know don't don't like let it how many times have you got pissed off? Because you told someone the same advice over and over again and they just literally just ignore you constantly and end up at the same situation. Just like well, fuck it. I'm done. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to let you know people you gotta let people gotta let people live and experience for themselves and you just got to be there as a support when they're ready to when it when it when they're ready because you know, and that's all we talked about in Psychology this whole the process of change. It's not a linear process and that's a really The hard thing when it comes to mental health, it's never a linear process. You're constantly going back and forth, you know, the stages of grief grief is something I will continue to properly deal with for the rest of my life and you go, you know, you think you made progress in your regrets, but that's just riding the wave and acceptance of that that you go through stages and like and yeah, but and with But yeah, you're you know things regret and with mental health, you know if it is relapse and and it's about, you know, people get really upset because you like done so well, why the fuck am I regretting back but you've also got to say hey, I have got to that point and I've made that growth and I know I can get there and because I'll get back there again be confident that you will get that. You will get back there. Give yourself self compassion, but don't become complacent. It's a lot of lot of good shit in them weathering the storm when it comes new book will be out shortly Mike. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. It's been an absolute pleasure. I hope you have such a good year this year. And that's a bad that the end up being good. But I knew if they ask me to reflect on my was that a conscious Festival asked me to reflect on what the last decade has been and holy fuck. It was a table. Wow, that would have been if I can it's a decade literally 2010 to There was lost and everything in between a lot of loss. But yeah, 2020 a new decade New Opportunities and that's another thing is that when you have a shit day and I've had a lot of shit days this past year. Don't let that contaminate the next that's a good point. Every day is a new start every day the sun rises and don't you don't have to carry that past day or that past week off their past month, you know, it's a fresh start and And see it as an opportunity take the opportunity to be different to feel different to do something different, you know, why is words? Thank you so much right. Have you ever the best day ever? Thank you, and we'll see you guys next time.

Nicole Abramowitz is certainly a qualified psychologist in terms of life experience, despite being a few months off having the piece of paper to prove it. Her story of family trauma lead her to a pursuit devoted to better understanding how the human mind works and has given her the firm belief that the biggest tragedy in life is not learning from the tragedy itself. This episode may be triggering and I would advise those experiencing any past trauma similar to Nicole's to speak to a trained professional, and just in general because psychology is awesome. 00:00 How 2020 is a fucker so far and why it’s OK to be one of the people being strong for others, plus how I met Nicole. 04:00 Riding the sometimes shit wave that is life and the benefits of adversity. 06:00 Why people are so fucked up, the societal regressions we are experiencing that contribute to our collective poor mental health. 12:00 Nicole shares her story. (This may be triggering and contains themes of suicide and domestic abuse.) 18:00 Accepting that you can’t help anyone anymore than they can help themselves. The difficulty in accepting and providing support and the importance of autonomy and empowerment. 21:00 Toxic relationships and the addiction pathway, why we are hooked on playing the hero. 27:00 Grief and loss, death and breakups and the similarities in coping mechanisms for trauma. 35:00 There's no 'right' decision, you make a decision and you make it work. The importance of owning this is in a life of infinite possibilities. 42:00 The importance of values. 52:00 Takeaway strategies when supporting a loved one - accepting that it's not about you and why we find this so fucking hard. 60:00 Why adaption is the most important trait in survival. 64:00 Inner contentment and not being motivated by external reward. 68:00 Gratitude, perspective and acceptance...not letting your struggles define you. 70:00 The joy of living your mundane life and why being bored kinda rules.

Please close your eyes and make sure you're listening to this while you're lying down in bed with the lights off ready to go to sleep. Now inhale deeply and exhale deeply. And again inhale deeply and exhale deeply. You look up and see a beautiful balsam fir. covered in soft white twinkling lights as they dance in the Darkness. He slowly inhale. And smell the fresh scent of Balsam. And as you slowly exhale the stress and tension of the day releases from your body. The white lights are so mesmerizing. So magical and so beautiful. The tree is covered in ornaments of all colors. of the rainbow as they sparkle in the Darkness. Relaxing you even further. Underneath the tree are brightly wrapped presents. in all shapes and sizes and vibrant colors of red and green each prison is tied. with a beautiful ribbon of gold and silver You reach out. to touch one and it feels so soft. like velvet you slowly start to count the presence you see. one two three four five six seven eight nine ten at the top of the tree Is a beautiful angel a glow? in a white satin robe covered with small delicate pearls her feet are covered in ballerina slippers. the ties on her shoes Look like golden braided cords. She is so Majestic. her presence Fills you with happiness. She slowly opens. her arms welcoming you into her embrace. Her face is so beautiful. with blonde curls surrounding your head her cheeks and lips are so pink. And her eyes are a brilliant beautiful blue. like a Crystal Blue Lake her eyelashes are so full and black. Anna top of her head is a beautiful wreath made of greenery and bright red berries. As you gaze into her eyes, she smiles down at you filling you with warmth. enjoy You feel at peace. And your heart overflows with love? You're Not Afraid as she slowly descends from the tree And wraps Her Wings around you. Making you feel safe and secure. Your heart fills with love and Bliss. You live in the moment. the beauty of the moment making you realize that you're never alone. You reach out. out and touch her feathers They're so soft. She lightly kisses your forehead. Relaxing you even further. You feel as light as a feather. You feel so peaceful. As she gently sways you back and forth back and forth slowly lulling you to sleep. She reminds you that there's more to life than what your naked eyes can see. If you only open your heart and mind to love. As you slowly Drift Off to Sleep you remember? the true meaning of Christmas

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We talk shit about our kids and about parenting we do the same thing that I do on my Instagram account every fucking day. No, but 24/7 365. Yeah. Yeah, 24-second grind-it-out year Rise & Grind every year every hour Rise & Grind. Okay every hour I'm on there. Not necessarily posting on your stock pace yourself. I also do it on Twitter & on my blog and on Facebook it all these fun places. Yep. No Tick-Tock yet. I'm considered it. And then there I don't have the forethought to do like video sketches you have or you have to Dan patients. You just have I can't dance. That's what Tick Tock is all about. Just dancing. I can't tell you do the whoa. I've never heard of it. Well, you're fucked then. All right, so welcome back and thanks for joining us. And welcome for the first time and thanks for joining us. If this is your first time we don't exclude anybody know, you know, what's if it's your last time sayonara, this is a warm sayonara. I said sayonara I know and you wanted pool right as I'm you're saying something gross about sinking into a warm pool. That's right. Slowly getting acclimated welcoming. This is a big-time hot tub. We're all here. It's going to get a little funky. Sure. Yeah. It's gonna be a little funky. You know, what there's the Band-Aid there's a clump of hair over there. Stop it. This is this Gross last year the clump of hair bitch. So tonight we're talking about lying to your kids whether you do it or you. Oh, I need to bring that up. I asked the pole beforehand. Do you lie to your kids and I got votes right and I'll tell you what the percentage was and then I got a shitload of comments about people in the lies. They tell their kids a lot of them were the same very popular one is saying your food is spicy when you don't want to share we've all done it. I do it with Nate. Sometimes he's like, what are you eating there? I'm like, it's fucking too spicy. Great to see you can't have it. 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This is all in my link Tree on my Instagram page. Where most of you probably follow me because pretty much everybody to how many people are in the world hundred twenty two thousand. I think Bingo every single one of them up my ass on Instagram. Yep. So we want to thank our patrons on the single. Dad to hear Chris Coleman Miriam MSB Bayan. She's got a comment today check your kids at the door funny meme account say that every week. He hit a thousand followers recently. Congratulations, my friend MC Daniel 1980 and Mallory Mackenzie. Who insulted My scarf. Yeah. Well that was the right thing to do. Was it to be fair? It's the best car I've ever owned and it had big that's why ozio perfect. But a lot of times you get a scarf and when you wrap it around yourself, it can't do anything. It's like a kerchief. Okay. So first of all, if you're in that doesn't work, you're listening to this you have to imagine that that image of Lenny Kravitz walking down with essentially a have you ever seen the photo where I go. I have a photo comparison me and him next to each other. Each other with my huge scarf and his you've never seen it's absurd follow me this girl standing at dead and buried why would I do that? I don't know. I guess your scarf is so absurdly large that people. Do you understand our should I fucking aware of it, but I don't care because Comfort Trump's it. I'm not a self-conscious person Trump. I'm sorry that I said Trump God bringing everybody down. Anyway, I did I made a fucking I'm making fun of myself because I will really humble and I'm self-deprecating and people like me. God dog it you walk in the subway with that thing. People are like that thing has its shoved in my fucking jacket. Yeah, I can see it. So let's say I want them to look like the Michelin is beautiful. 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Well listen, we're going to get into line to your kids. What's wrong with this real quick. Do you like Liz? Oh, yeah sure date. You've never heard of Liz. Oh that's actually fascinated me. She's pretty big pretty famous pretty big fan for forever forever forever with the kids. But I mean, she's great. He's in the Target demo. Who knows? Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying your age right the fact that I know who she is and you don't is a little weird the older stuff like the Staples that you don't know and you're Earnings fine. Anyway you trying to like your gatekeeping right? I'm just shocked. He's fucking 30. Isn't that like the fucking sweet spot for live on anyway, I think Joy this moment really like to tell you you're really milking it because you know an artist that milking it. I'm literally surprised anyway look, yeah. I really like I really like her she's talented. I don't think she's married. I don't think that's Kim Kardashian West you knew that you jerk. 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If you haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app search for Dad and buried on Spotify or browse podcast in the your library tab. Also, make sure to follow me and Pete so you never miss an episode of the dead and buried show. Welcome back. Everybody tonight's topic is lying to your kids and what you lie about because we all do it before we get started quick shout-out to our sponsor Kinder. Perfect really fun party game, especially if you hang out with family over the holidays, it's likes Cards Against Humanity, but for parents a lot of funny punchlines a little risque if you wanted to ruin or more drinking the better. Yeah with or without the game to be honest. You're going to holiday party. You need a you need to look a housewarming gift or something just it's just fun. I can toss it in your bag use 20 off Dad's on Amazon and 20 off Daddy and Kinder perfect.com. Throw that in the fucking stocking stuff it right up stuff that shit. So I asked a bunch of people. I posted a poll on my Instagram. And I said do you lie to your kids in real life or is this on the internet again this weird? You know what the Internet is real. Like I said you lie to your kids white lies lies of convenient etcetera 1,100 people. Sorry 1099 people responded. 1055 said they lied to their kids 44 that's 96 percent said they do in four percent said no early on it was 27 to nothing. And then later there were four people that said they didn't and as you vote, you can see with the percentages. So then people would see the percent of then message me and say those four people are lying. Do we know who those four people are I know who the 44 people aren't ya? 40 I'm looking at a mall fucking right? Yeah, there were 40. It was 40. It was four at one point but 44 Liars out there. I'm sure a couple of these people aren't lying. But that's why I made pains to say like white lies lies a convenience not like are you lying about like who they're fucking real parents are right or like because nobody knows who write me break not like anything real but I thought it as fat can't believe how lopsided it was. Although I can't believe it. So what's up? It's a white lie versus something real. Well, you know what it is. It just a lie that makes your life better. I make their lives better as from say anything. So one of my friends for discipline used to so I have you heard the saying goes around around Christmas. They say if you want your kids to behave you make some dummy gifts like empty box. You mentioned put them under their tree and then when they misbehave if you throw it in the fireplace, oh, yes, obviously, it's horrible. So at a similar version of that is if I don't play no no one's doing that. The head doesn't Over the stove having the balls to fucking go through with that like we talked about this before it's but the same thing with the faking the stuffed animal eating disturbing you psychologically fucking up your kids. Yeah. I don't know maybe you do it once assistance. I can see it just to give someone look I'm not judging anybody. So this is a slightly watered-down version that you can do anytime of the Year. Okay. So you make up a dummy event. Like you say. Oh, we have fucking so-and-so's birthday or we're gonna go to this thing and then when your kids are Dick you say oh look, we're not going to that anymore. I'm sorry you blew it? Okay, but now but the problem is if you ever really do that the kid is going to call your bluff and be good and then you're gonna have to go to some Phantom event that you made up that doesn't actually exist and you got a fucking scam or something because that's what would happen. You're counting on the kid to misbehave so you can you know, replace the carrot with a stick but he's not going to that day. No, all you need to do is just refine your degree of Behaving. Well, would you just put your socks you should put with Left sock on first exact your fucking you're done you blew it, man. You look we're not going to fucking Baxter's breakthrough party says, what is the zoo party? Nobody? I think I just made it up. So but also the premeditated nature of making up an event. Yes. Hey Timmy Sarah we're going to this amazing event. If only you behave perfectly. Yes, and if you don't I do fucking fucked. You're so fucking fun. I'm like Mark Wahlberg from fuck. In that movie with the Boston beer. No did the padded that the pad fuck you? Fuck you? Fuck everything fuck that. Fuck. That was the part. That was my impression of everybody all this is a fucking that right back. Yeah, basically, who am I fuck you? That's who I know. That's not what he says. Yeah, but it's go fuck yourself. That's that's my name. So but that is having that premeditated nature of me. Like Hey, we're going to go to do this amazing single most of these lies. Going in the back of your mind. That's a lie. That's kind of that's fucking most of the lies that people submitted are his car of the moment like I don't want to do this thing. I want to do whatever right? So we're going to get into some of them right but first I ask why the people what they lie about and why can I just we're are these two anecdotes that you are they real? I've never done them. So I have a friend who has done the dummy event one and I hear the dummy presents one all the time. Like people send me memes about because there's a couple memes that say to do that and it's a funny coming into edgy joke to make joke, yes, but doing Is fucking that's a bridge too far. Thanks for me. Perhaps Over the River Kwai my right everybody. Alec Guinness. Nope, that's the Great Escape. No, it's not pretty sure it is it yeah Great Escape is so fucking good is I love the Great Escape. They might lie to my dad for introducing me to The Great Escape. I love that move. It is fucking three hours. It was just three hours the Irishman. What would you rather watch right now, you know real fuckin Escape. You know, what they say is answer Avatar. The first one that I guess what guess what's coming avatars? Five six seven four five six wait for 2024. We're going to be like what the fuck happened with that's the charge. Watch this is I'm talking in the past to myself in the future. If it's 2024 and you're watching the fourth installment of a peculiar because there's nine what you know, but you've wasted your life. Here's the weirdest thing about Avatar. It was the biggest until the Avengers. It was the number one movie of all time. Not a single fucking person I've ever talked to like sit all time Papyrus everyone went to see it because the stupid special effects the fucking van stupid. That was very funny costumes special effects. It's some least men. Horrible fucking movie while time it's a piece of shit. You know what Mike I see you. I want to put my hair. I want a pie like when I say, hey, I want my braids to go into your brain your brain. Is that happened in the movie? I feel like I saw that on an IMAX with my wife and my wife didn't know for 10 minutes. She's like are these the previous I'm like really want to the fucking movie man. First of all Sigourney Weaver's like I had a thing for like she first of all she's very attractive but as a blue jean had a thing for the blue giant version of Sigourney Weaver. Now and the party that's a fucking weird shit I've ever heard was like if you're throwing up in your mouth. I don't even like Zoe Saldana as a blue thing. The stupid cat person is what what do you think agree on mass does be she's amazing in all of God. I retain IAM. It's actually a real real element unobtainium or it's a term they use it's just sound so fucking stupid, but it's a real it's a real element or it's eternity. I'm not a scientist God damn it. All right, so I asked people what they lie about and why like whether they lie for survival. Or for disciplinary reasons or to make their lives better. Arika. Marie says she lies about anything and everything Piedmont 1992 says whatever helps in the moment ali-frazier 921 says I lie because kids are needy and they ask for shit An Inconvenient time for just so true. No real Kate says when I lie when I need them to be in bed when I need them to eat when I need them to behave when you need them to do shit. Well, can I the only problem is is when you change the Of Engagement. Well, that's why I've said consistency is like the hardest thing for my consistently because if you're like, oh, I love everything you do has to be consistent as a parent. It makes such a difference and none of it. I don't do anything. It's just every lie. I tell the truth I get mad. I don't get mad. They don't fucking know what is on your screaming. I'm telling the truth is a dead dog. What's I did I have to go deal with some of the dead rat today at the 42nd Street? Anyway, double X Lexi loves pie double X says it's more like accidental. Lying I promised them a trick to a park or somewhere and then I'm too fucking exhausted to do it. Alright that happens all the time. That's a big that's a lying. That's like you make a promise. You can't deliver on my God a new fucking make a promise to your kids. Oh my God, they remember about them because they do remember everything you say anything and it's just like my family like same as your kid ever yelled you you promised or then said you lied every fucking pull something back of it ever said yes three of them. No, it's nice meeting my wife. I really heard when that happens and then have to say we weren't lying and I keep saying look, I promise that money came from somewhere. Wow, look man. He always dark with your weird shit. That's what So Courtney Jane 111 says she lies about little inconvenient little convenience things the parks closing soon. The aquarium is an open today. But if there's a teaching opportunity we try to make clear that honesty is important. I never stress the importance of honesty in my home do what you gonna do whenever mix it up, you know. See what happens. Let's see who can survive the best little liar Yeah. Well, yeah, maybe you'll become president someday. I don't know Nate got it in catch that one. Yeah. Yeah because our present. Yeah. Yeah. This is usually present Trump. Yeah. Yeah. So some of the lies that parents came up with are there in the a lot of these are Under categories than the end is a miscellaneous section, which has some of the funniest ones but been teeny 80. This is an interesting point I think and Great. She says what don't I lie about I was at a kid's birthday party with a bunch of hippie moms. And one of the moms heard me lie to my son about something and said I don't believe in lying to my kids. I also don't believe in bribes or threats of 1880 said what those are the foundation of everything and then one of the things she lies about I mean look, that's true though, like bribes threats lies. I'm not saying I'm a good parent but these are the things that I do. It's like Copland where you are. It's you live in my house. Yeah, the whole place is full of cops. Yeah, basically that a Why copy well, I'm just saying the movie good movie. Copland have had a bunch of good movie. We see that one Nate. I will check it out. Really really good with Sylvester Stallone. Yeah. I mean look the daily awesome movies. You should see before Kaplan mcoppins. Good Robert Patrick, the only Robert De Niro you blew it. The only downside is who's that guy? Who's like tall and like Sylvester Stallone? Oh, is he tall? I don't remember. What was the other guy? You said that because got the curly hair. He's the Robert Patrick. I don't remember no. Robert Patrick care, it was a Carrot Top. He really dramatic. Fuck it kind of that movie. I you know what? I appreciate. He's the main fucking Catalyst of the whole movie. But he's the one that they don't remember is that oh, it's Michael Rapaport. Yeah. He's very it's not that tall. What are you talking about? Like rapping for it's like six five one from polymer. I appreciate the fact that even though we can't talk about like the same 80s movies or like junk movies. We can talk about Avatar and then coplin. Yep. We can switch it up. I'm loving and then week I'm loving it. Anyway, so we're going to get into there's a bunch of different categories, right? So sometimes what you lie about are things about places or activities that you don't want to do that your kids want to do, right? So Juanita Franco says I tell my kids the park is closed. I say we aren't allowed outside when it's dark or cold or we don't have money for that, which is sometimes true. I think for all of us a bunch of people said that I say that a lot when it's just when I'm talking about the park and I'm not I just supposed. Oh, I don't I can't afford I can't Sorry like Dad what's wrong and I go and then I started crying and they say Dad is everything. Okay, and I go of course, it's fucking not okay, you son of a bitch. Oh my God. I liked it. Yeah, it wasn't even a joke. No enjoyed it. There's a relatable Mom memes. Go check out her page as I lie to get out of shit. I don't want to do the park is closed. We don't have the stuff to make cookies. I feel sick. I feel sick, too. We're the Robinson Life Is A Lie to Me? It's about when parks and stores are open. We all do it. You're driving by a place and your kids like I want to go nuts knows today. I can't do that closed on Tuesdays shit. I wish but unfortunately there's special eggs on Wednesday. And because we only have a coupon for Thursday that you ever do that you get really elaborate with it and know what are you talking about? And you just like things aren't going. Well. I've known I've literally never done that. You know what I just say, this is the fucking truth of the matter is some blanket lie. I don't get the truth of the matter is there. Is no truth when I want so Katie Ayers, I think says that she she tells her kids Chuck-E-Cheeses invite only, you know that mean you have to wait for a letter in the mail. He go to Chuck E. Cheese Santa you like Chucky Cheese. I've never been I've been I've been up in fighting that actually has his price the kid who grew up in fucking England again. I want you to fucking stop buying wimpy. What's doing be the worst Burger chain and the history so I've seen it is Wi n Pi e it might be I think it was why I thought it was why but might be why because I love you know, that doesn't make that was Mickey Mickey Mouse Nick blank looking at you heard Mickey Mouse the only hamburger chain that just somehow didn't succeed because it put mustard on its Burgers here. Only mustard weird only my yeah. That was nothing. Yeah, like fuck catch up guys. We're going - why won't you just let them choose because it was the person in Charge who is otherwise known as the CEO was a huge fan of mustard. This is none of this is true. It's actually fucking really not all that when people get sounds like you're getting into the details of a line of blow. It was it was big. So Alicia Maori said she told her daughter when she was two that the playground is closed after it rains and now she's four and if she sees kids on the slide after rain, she tells her mom the police are going to get those kids. This is what this is a challenge. But again, that's 2 and 4 when the kids 10, they're not going to believe it and if they do he got bigger problems. Line your kids. All right, you got a kid who's gonna be a fucking victim his whole life because he doesn't know the difference between a joke lie when he's fucking 10 years old or you gonna have a kid that just kind of rocks back and forth because they're gonna get the kids are gonna get them all together. Those kinds of animals have all those kids. All those kids are gonna get. Okay. What are you doing? Rain, man? Yeah. That's exactly right. You say Nate in Kaplan. It's all fucking full circle and every once in a while. So he says I see you we fucking brought it all around. Round JP John says he lies for survival. The store is closed. So this always reminds me all of these a lot of these things remind me of in movie Jerry Maguire. Yep with Jonathan Lipnicki. Yep. Who's the little kid? Who's Renee Zellweger son. He's four or five and Tom Cruise shows up at her house drunk one night and he comes out and he's talking and he's trying to get Tom Cruise to go to the zoo. And Tom Cruise is drunk. So he doesn't have his filter on and he's just getting annoyed of the kidney was great. The fucking zoo is closed Ray and everyone in the theater. Sit up and funny line, but it was all he was telling the truth. The zoo is fucking clothes. I was like 11 at night. So it doesn't even have any it doesn't even have anything to do with our topic. Just this shit reminds me of it. This is my this is my brain. Oh, you've the fucking zoo is closed. You've isolated a moment in pop culture where everyone know, you're not even though that were lied to a very small didn't lie. That's the thing. He's telling the truth is good point. I'm sorry. He was truthful for the first time and guess what guess how much it hurt Jonathan Lipnicki, you know, he's really buff now. He's like ripped care tap riff today and maybe even weirder you just what's even weirder is that you know that both of these people are ripped that seems that seems like the only reason False equivalency make doesn't matter what neat knows I'm talking about. Welcome. No name is goddamn, right? It doesn't I don't care what ripped people he knows I care about what rip people you know, I don't know any rip people off because I keep them out of my lesson that they made me sick Lipnicki. I don't know him. I just know of him and that he's ripped and he's looked very good with his shirt off. Fucking zoo is closed. God. Damn. You're the best part is you're not lying about that about how good he looks like. I kind of look I'm comfortable in my sexuality. I can acknowledge one. Another man is a nice physique you just do do you say I see you and you bring your braids out? I don't ever quote fucking Avatar because it's junk start waving at him a great. I want my wish I had a braid you like if he's and then he gets a little always making fun of man buns. I wish I had the kind of hair that allow me have a man bun. I'm not saying I'd have Man bun, but I've always wanted long hair like a long straight one of the long do it's fucking cool. I had a friend who looked like Spicoli in like high school in the first couple years of college total Surfer long do now he's fucking bald as a cue ball and your face Pat Anyway, so a lot of people lie about my bunny eating smell so says she's he he or she lies mostly about food mom. Can I have more unhealthy snacks? Sorry kid. We're out. Yeah, there's no obviously J Van Dien rnj. Underscore Van Dien underscore. RN said I told my son his favorite restaurant was closed. So we didn't have to eat there again because you just get sick of this shit. They like yeah evil 26 evil with a wise as I lie so they can eat healthy. I lie about me loving vegetables. I don't eat veggies. Yes, you gotta do though is like a right to not eat that shit because you're old enough 26 way to go. What a congratulations. Well, I will say this we covered this on the hypocritical where hypocritical parenting. I will be serving my kids like garbanzo beans or chickpeas, whatever you want to call them because there's two names for this column chickpeas. I think I and I don't think I've ever eaten willingly. Eaten a chickpea. Yeah. But you know, we've had this conversation watch it people with the skiff ever had like a roasted or like a dried chickpeas little spice on it. No. No, I mean fucking good everything that comes from chickpeas. Amazing hum has everything. Yeah almost what else Thomas Falafel. I think I've ever had one. I think I've had one. Yeah, you never had a flaw. They had one. Oh my God, where'd you must not was great. I don't disagree with you. The chickpea itself is melee and it's kind of gross. I'm not gonna listen to this. So I'm just saying good for you evil 26 to sit there with a Wait, I will apologize to the chickpea Lobby and anybody else who's big into chick. Yeah, big chickpea a Terrence underscore 88 says my kid doesn't want to eat a certain meet. Sometimes I tell him it's chicken. Tell kid the pork. No that's chicken. Don't know what pork is. It's just a weird. It just seems more weird. And then you say check it out. Well, though my kid loves steak. Nope, not coming. Mrs. Thomas underscore. She lies that Duncan is already out of doughnuts there a couple of doughnuts comments. My nine year are my four year old almost four year old loves doughnuts. He doesn't he said maybe they can I have a doughnut his whole life and it's so shitty fucking sight of maple cider donuts at the fucking pumpkin patch shits. That shit sucks. Yeah. Fuck it. Dry. Donut. What fucking came out wrong. Well, I'm not interested in eating a dried on it. No, no one wants to eat a dry. But give me a Boston cream. No, no, you just gotta have some fun. You know, Boston cream is fucking delicious. It's one of the top three best fucking donuts ever know start with glazed and then work your way. I like glazed. Yeah. I'm not big and just frosting chocolate frosting with the cream in it. I'll smash that real quick cream. I'm not into the cream and you like the jelly. I don't I don't like jelly. I don't like jelly. I don't like fruit-based desserts. We've been through this get you. Fucking fruit out of my shit. It sounds like something shit. It's getting so a lot of people use the I don't want to share. So I tell my kids shit is spicy. A lot of people were talking about how they get out of ice cream. Sabrina underscore dungeon says the ice cream machine is broken today marshawn's 5 says when our oldest was three, we told them the ice cream truck was a music truck. He thought it was so nice just bring music to the neighborhood. But it that's a that's a boss power. Of a lot of people said this was laughing that's just a little bit there also kids are crap. Yeah and the guys shouting ice cream part of this is also a music truck with one song. That sucks. A lot of people said this L. Karate 511 Charlie jizz X said the ice cream truck only plays music when they were out of ice cream. So the kid here is the ice cream truck. He like know that the only reason the song is playing because they are out letting you know, they're out a lot of people say that Christina Robinson, Christina. Dot a DOT Robinson said I told my three-year-old that it's against the law to buy candy on Saturday nights. I like this shit like like just like really elaborate premises. I'm sorry. What counterion? All right. No, I'm sorry. The law in this County prohibits us to buy ice cream at Beyond three low-carb underscore debt-free underscore dreamer says, I tell my kid. The chocolate I'm eating is poop. You know what this some lines. I won't cross. Yeah, that's gonna be tough convenience is all well and good. I'd like to keep my dignity of yeah. Yeah. To have a tough time when they get older, right? So another category was toys and without people lie in the try to get out of having to play the toys we go. We're in season right? This is we are in we are in the Christmas season the holiday season holiday Hanukkah, I think starts next week beginning next week. Not sure Kwanzaa. Maybe anyone. I'll tell good present season. I don't know any days. I don't know four things 25th is the only thing I know when's Canadian Christmas. Yes. 29th. Hey, that's foxy. But you know what? They celebrate Boxing Day, which is the day after Chris. Absolutely. That's a good idea really is the best day you just sit around in your pajamas playing with your presence. So when it comes to toys super-tough says it's amazing. How often the things my kids want to play with are broken or out of batteries it is. Oh sorry, that's busted buddy. Yeah. I don't have any batteries for that Kit Kat underscore triple underscore. Cat 30 says I say that if the toys leave the playroom I will throw them away. So that's those are tough. Right and she says I've never have done that and I don't even know why I say it but that's the kind of thing where if they call your bluff. That's a that's a threat a regular. Yes, but if they call your bluff and you don't follow through that's probably good. So my wife gets mad at me a lot because I'll immediately jump from fucking zero to 60 on discipline go to timeout every fucking day. Really and then I don't obviously don't do it because it's a heat-of-the-moment thing but you lose credibility if you don't follow through so that's a tough one what I'm saying? KitKat 30 is get in there and throw some shit away. Also, I'm sure that playroom Jackie underscore sharp says the batteries are dead. I have no idea where they went ali-frazier 921 says she'll say something is broken. If it's just an annoying toy that needs batteries don't want to deal with it. Everyone does the moment that you put the batteries in you don't you don't know what the choice sounds like you put the batteries on my God. This morning you put them in and all of a sudden your life is changed a couple of toys that 80s like over the volume. No, no, you can't loan. You can't turn off the volume and your kids like doing the siren and and you're like, okay, let's say there's someone they want them to play with the most and the fresh batteries because you may not here because of course you're a you're a parent and you really want that you want them to enjoy the gift. All you're thinking of is I'm gonna cut all of the wires inside of that thing and then I'm also going to take the batteries out of that toy. Well, that's All you need to do is think about you don't need to open up a cut the wires out my man. Yeah. Okay good point A B flat. So a bunch of people talk about the iPad. She says she's hold their kids. The iPad doesn't work when it's sunny outside. Yep just doesn't work. They have a system. That just doesn't work when there's Sun out. So you gotta go out in the garden to play. So I assume she said go out in the garden. She's from like the UK or something. Yeah, that's how they would say over there. Yeah. Maybe she's from the Bronx get the fuck out getting a goddamn fire escape sometimes Lynch. Lynch Lynch EML says, she'll say she can't remember where she put the iPad. Let me think about it. Well, I gotta let me rack my brain. I've done that. I don't remember where it is. I'll figure it out. I'll find a minute then you just hope they forget I'm sort of stuck on the handle to be honest with you Lynch EML. Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm saying it correctly. It could be lynched Lynn chimo. That would be better. I feel like the you know, like the word Lynch is what you're saying. Yeah or lachie because look, Like a playful take on the kind of Technologies kind of like it's a cute version. Yeah every now and again kind of Lynch. Yeah. So Sierra Roxanne says has initially when she says my kids have started asking me for toys this year on YouTube and I just say yeah, I'll buy them just say yes. So the kid thinks is it a good is that goes away happy and then you don't buy it, but then they call your bluff though because kids don't forget that shit. They don't forget the shit. They want they forget the shit you ask them to do. You know what what we need to put that on the wall why write that down what I just said one needs to write it down. I don't know who's going to do I write I have a Blog. Well, right I said I put it on there I put on your blog make t-shirts and start selling them because that is a great slogan make t-shirts. Yeah. I got to make with that so good on them. I don't even want to say my idea for my best ever. What was the other one? That was like home decor? Yeah. Okay. Sorry, so we'll have died cry. Eight instead of live life for the nursery. Yeah, no, no for live. Laugh love diaper. I hate hate and then whatever you just said because it was like you remember they don't forget the things they want. They forget. They only forget the things you ask them to do right second. That's it. Print it up print it up. Nathan Lightnings fallen asleep. He didn't like it. It's not impressed. Well what your instincts are garbage? Okay. I know that we all know so some of the funniest ones I put in the miscellaneous section where people just said random lies that they use on their kids Maria F Patterson said one of her favorite lies is the best part of college was studying and learning I enjoyed some of the learning Nate wow, no college is great. Yeah. If you don't enjoy College yet problems. Are you went to the Bronco? You probably have to be you Janelle Stokes says as toddlers. I told him the new car had a thumb activated eject button for in car bad. But there you go. There you go. That's what you gotta do. You gotta keep that tight in the car. Keep it nice and tight high and tight. Yeah, you gotta keep the old high and tight like kicking of the seats then you just inject them now, but you can't use it on that. It would be nice if there was a feature that if the car door would open while it's me. We but there was like a protective. There's no way that your kid was just a you need it's just a thought you should I'm just sort of jumped the Elon Musk and see if you can figure out loud just a little bit of alchemy be a seat tilt. So listen to this listen to this. I thought this was funny Bree underscore hands lit Perico hands lift Bree underscore our hands lit Perico said she uses the 15 minutes of silence Gambit. So the her kids do silence at school for a Remembrance Day. With I'll do 15 minutes silence. Everyone is a moment of silence. I can't believe it's for 15 minutes at school. That's a long fucking time and she uses that herself. So she's like one time we passed the dead rabbit on the highway. So I took my opportunity call for 15 minutes of silence for the dead rabbit. She's like, they're super somber every time we do it and sometimes I feel like a piece of shit, but it fucking works. You know what not having that in your back pocket like the you can bust out the oh sorry guys. We recognize something here for 15. Minutes having a bunch of dead rabbits in your trunk that you can you can just sort of well for do not think the point is is that it's always rabbit. There's a lot of dead rabbits around so speaking of rabbits. This one's a little dark. Okay. So one boss lady who told us earlier that she hates Iowa she grew up there and now live somewhere else said she told her daughter that bunnies are allergic to cats. But listen to why she was her daughter was visiting her mom. So her daughter was visiting Grandma and mom accidentally killed her daughter's bunny because she forgot defeated well, wait a second. Hold on a second. Okay, right. I think that's manslaughter. It's not like homicide right? Anyway, she I feel pretty bad about this. She said so, you know points to her for feeling pretty bad about it. Then her daughter called to tell her she wants a cat. So I said bunnies are allergic to cats and her daughter said bye Bunny and she was like fuck. Yeah, and I don't have to try to replace the Dead Bunny. She doesn't know he's dead because she's just like, oh the kid was already good with like get her and she wants a cat more she just The kid was just like fuck that bunny. Wow. This is I would have said well I had to kill the bunny because you said you didn't want your money and that's how we turn it around and make it even worse of the kid and you go this is what you want. This is snap his neck. He throw it against the wall. Like if Mice and Men, this is really horrible. Yeah. It was a dark one. That was a dark one. Let's get that. Can I just say that it took me a while to read that and figure out what she was saying and then I figured out what she was saying was like oh, so to wish I hadn't figured that. Now tie want to go back to the part where how long does it take a bunny to die without feeding it? That's that's the part. You want to go back to? Yeah, that's break this down fucking minute by minute. What are the stages of just saying? I'm glad your daughter. You know, how long was she visiting Grandma? Yeah three weeks fuck. Lock fucking grandma. What's Grandma's fucking email? Let's go. Look at something. What is Grandma's email one boss. Mom Geisha down. So J. Tonelli, 77 says that he'll tell his kids are her kids. She can't give the day off when there's a field trip because she doesn't want to chaperone. That's just as good move. I just sawed the reservation that took us. Yeah. I'm sorry. Tiny Tom. Tiny Tom. Pecans K. I don't know tiny Tompkins K. Tiny Tomkins K. I tell my five-year-old that the store the restaurant or wherever re at that their police will come if she doesn't stop whatever she's doing presumably misbehaving P. Larson says he'll use the lie. I already know what happened. This is your one chance to tell me everything right the ultimate you call the but that's for like an older kid usual. Hold on a second. Is this is this person to death detective sounds like it we know everything but I want you to tell me yeah, but that's the thing. You just call the bluff. Yeah, I've never used that. They may have their either either detective or they've ever watched the single fucking cop show ever. Which one which one do you think I watch a lot of cop shows every night every fucking Detective. God damn it Pete. All right. Well, that's a good parenting technique would just give us a second time. Just sorry. I'm sorry. I jumped down your throat to say like I've never said I know everything no, but I could see that happening when you have like a teenager like when your teenager is the more likely to lie to try to get out of some God, you're a real thing. It's clearly a real incident. You're not going to say that if there's a fucking stain on the couch. I already know what happened tell me everything. That's not how it works. It's an older kid. The only reason I want to know why there's Stayed on the couch. Look get girly says he tells his kids Paw Patrol only works on the shitty TV in the basement lucky stars. 4583 says she tells her two-year-old son. Sorry son. Blippi only comes out of the babysitter's house. I know it's so weird like that. Well, I like that one is act like it's a strange phenomena. I don't even understand why bleep he doesn't work here. So pixie dust and love did something nice. They told their kids they were going to see their aunt twice and surprise them with trips to Disneyland this That nice. Oh, I see. So you lied in the alignment reverse? Yeah, that's cool. When I was a kid there was again every time they're like hey there on it's coming to town and we me and my brother were stuck in the back seat as my parents like drove us to like art galleries one day in Connecticut when we were kids and it was fucking excruciatingly boring and then like we went somewhere else and then they were like getting back on the highway like the Meritor 95 or whatever to go there like we got to go too. More gallery and were like, oh my God this fucking sucks and then they pulled off into the movie theater and they surprised us with going to see a movie. Well, what movie rad I think it was Gremlins, but I may be conflating two different stories. This is a gremlin stories. I story I have to that's for another time. We know what you got to write all this stuff down into a book and then publish it and then have all of the copies of that book be burned into a hole. Oh, yeah into burning books then. Yeah. I didn't know that about you. Although just the books that you're writing. Ah, Actly dot underscore says we tell our son that things like tablet like his tablet or soap have gone back to their home planet IE the dish soap. He was obsessing over went back to Planet Dawn. Why is your son obsessing over dish soap? This was my father's head. The part of this is the part. I'm interested in we tell our son that things like he's into have gone back to their home planet to his tablet soap soap. What's your son doing with the dawn? You know what very shy want to know more so actually dot underscore let me know. What is your kid like about the soap. It's very strange. Um Go Party of Five says he tells his her kids if they don't brush their teeth, well worms will grow in their mouths. They are terrified. That's a good that's a this is Scared Straight another good. These are the things these are effective tactics the worms growing in your mouth. That's it. That's all you got to do. Do you brush your teeth? Oh, no, I didn't shit. Well, I guess you got some fucking worm. He's in there bitch. Nah. Like yeah, that's good like the worms when you eat raw food like an animal gets out of their ass absolute. One of the absolute worst experiences of my life was what when I don't know what we wear is is going. Oh my God. I first I was like, okay and now I'm like now I'm getting Dumber or he goes I got work is what he wants to name his pet store. I got worms. Yeah. Okay out of context. Yep. I'm not going to get into the time my cat had worms, okay. It was not a fun experience for anybody. Have you ever seen the movie with them? What's a fucking called Whoopi Goldberg plays like a Jamaican Nanny and Neil Patrick Harris one of your favorites place like her young kid her charge in there. So I think there's a worm. You know, what? Oh my God. Here we go. Wow! What an amazing his heart or Clara song and the only reason Oh my God, he doesn't even know what's happening. Now. He's just he's in a fist. I literally thought talking about words. Where are you going? Yeah, this is I thought there was a worm subplot in Clara's aren't like what movie has a fucking subplot of but I can't having worms. The only reason I thought that is because I was Holy shit, dude. I was watching Clara's heart. All right found out my head. It's not in the movie. It just happened while I wouldn't wildlife and then I thought imagine a movie had a subplot about a kid fighting out his cat had worms. What movie is this? It was me you never Could you just like you brought real life kind of a little pain? Wow, I'm glad you brought up. Anyways hard subplot about a cat that had worms and what a movie or whatever. What are they? That's what would have brought it over the top Clara's are you know, what not a good they don't miss out the Oscars on that it will maybe they had the worm seen it wouldn't have so Holly ankles. That she makes any placard read what is convenient for me meaning if she sees a sign she like, oh see here. It says no screaming at the park. Okay, another intriguing anko another very good luck. That's a parent hair. That's a parent hacker. That's great. Darcy underscore peaceful. Underscore Warrior will tell her kids. You're my favorite. Don't tell the others even though she has three kids three kids or she'll say your teacher your teacher texted me. You have to sleep in your own bed. I do think it's funny that your kids like they fear the teacher more than Can you write course they come home and like one of the things we say all the time is like would you act this way at school or would you say that to one of your teachers right then? Don't say it to us. It's just a familiarity breeds contempt. Yeah in contempt also breeds contempt. Sure. Yeah, that's well. I have a lot of contempt keeps growing yet, but my my son has a thing where he's not really even listening to his teacher. So that's it. And oh really? He's defiant people. He's just a yeah, he's like a big Did he doesn't write he just does what he wants to know. What's no impulse control which is which is irritating on all fronts. But yeah, we're we constantly telling him that he's he's always saying can I bring this toy to school? Like know your teacher said you can't bring any choices? Okay. Got it. What about this story? Yeah, right and what about this other to every and he'll bring out like 20 toys like every he'll just go to what about this one? Okay. I know I know you said that what about this, dude? What the fuck? Do you know what toy means? Yeah, Jesus so problems pop the 20 because Paul data policy world's biggest CFL fan says when I get sick of reading the same book book over and over to my son. I tell him that I forgot how to read sorry buddy. I lost it tonight. Wow, that's good and bad. It depends on how young the kid is Crystal Brooke. That's the best heroes that stuff because then your son's like me and my dad's like yeah, he's obviously holding down a job. It's a real tough Crystal Brooke with two zeros and Suppose I tell my youngest of there were baby faeries that will turn him into a baby if he's acting superb ready. Not bad. Okay disciplinary tactic just Carlsbad 25 says I even accept help from grandparents. We had a date night and we decided to go to Dave and Busters after dinner. I accidentally mentioned this in front of our three boys who got all upset about it. But before I could say anything my mother-in-law said it was a special adults-only night for parents. Let's go Dave and Buster's only allows parents. I'm gonna go I'm gonna go back for a second because Crystal Brooke talking about how fairies will turn your baby because I mean essentially that's what all that's what all fairy tales are about is just like cautionary tales I go. Yeah. Yeah, you can get Monica Grimm fairy tales are very gradual the woods. Are you on a walk away? Here's the deal you're gonna get fucking eaten. But if you don't listen to your parents bitch, you're gonna get fucked. Oh you want to go off and like have an adventure. Guess what also fuck guess what? Here's a here's the thing. Stay close, but don't It sounds serious way you're going to get close Gonna Get Away fucked. Nathan like our use of the term fuck there. We weren't being literal. No, no, no, come on. Thank you Jesus. No, it's just like you're gonna get yourself in fucking trouble. So there were a couple of people who said that they don't lie to their kids. There we go. Alright, let's take a moment to Veal been ta ve ilbm says we're super I'm super honest my parents weren't in a gave me trust issue. So I tell it all like it is I don't think you're being - right now like sure if we're talking about real things. Yes, like you're not touch but but I find it impossible to believe that you were fucking. So hardcore honest with your fucking two-and-a-half-year-old that you won't be like, you know know the zoo is closed Ray or whatever. What's up movie with Viggo Mortensen where he's out in the history of violence. No. No, that's a good one. But it's he's got a busload of kids and they're driving and they his mom the his wife. Uh, Captain Fantastic. Yeah, they live off the grid. I haven't seen it. It's fucking amazing and talk about being super he's super on his whatever and not just that but there's like the super crazy awkward moment where this nine year olds like Hey, Dad, how do people have sex and he's driving a bus. He's like, well a man puts, you know pieces of vaginas like and you it is that how I mean not that's not how I do it but I put an offering at the end of our wedding I start crying the it's a long story, but I have to obviously be The whole time but that it's a cringeworthy scene. But because he's being so brightly honest and his kids are like super smart. Yes, but look, that's fine. But that's like all the kids talking about real things. I'm saying like there's like white lies. I'm pretty sure she's not talking about White Lies. You can be honest with your kids every so white lies don't count against that every dumb shit. Everyone does shit convenience to get out of it to get out of doing some shit. But my point with Captain Fantastic is that they're here is a question. That came from a nine-year-old that was like they can easily been like on the fairies come in like the store comes a and he just goes in super graphic detail and explain exactly how the process has worked. Okay to the point where I'd watch a couple times because I need to figure it out when I'm gone. There's no crying in this version. It's weird. What about the offering? What do you put the offering? I don't get that? No, I guess that part. Yeah. So but anyway the AMA that's what I think about when people are like I don't lie Mama underscore llama with three hours. Says when she thinks about people don't lie. She says anyone who tells you they don't lie to their kids are fucking liars and I wasn't saying to Veal been was a liar. I'm just saying they're probably not really including some of those small lives of Canadians. Unless they are a fucking so on the fucking straight and narrow like who the fuck is going to be like is Disneyland still open and you've been there the whole day to me like, yeah, it's still open for another nine hours. Right? Like we know it doesn't make you a bad person. Oh, it doesn't make me a bad parent because I lie to my kids to get out of like giving them the food that I want to make me a bad parent. Point for doing all the other stuff that I do the LIE the White Lies are nothing. Yeah, it's all the big-time lies. Mama cat Mama underscore cat 321 says nowadays. I can't lie because they'll call me out on my shit. Mama ain't raised no fools when your kids get older. I think that's interesting when they know when they know better. Yeah, but do they does anybody ever do do I know? So before we wrap up we want to get into some episode some comments from our last couple of episodes. We had the city toys episode last week Dana. Those days said this is the Slime that you hate. My daughter had slime wants and ended up in a huge dried puddle in my carpet. It's a big throw rug so we consider turning it around. So it fits under the couch. But that means taking the this is what is this story? I mean they have to move their entire. She's saying slime sucks because it's stuck all over the floor and you can't get it up. Is that true once it's sticky like it's hard to remove that is why slime is to this day. That's why they always leave a note that a glitter. MK Steve says Pete this podcast will be nothing without you. I love your insights and wisdom. What podcast is she fucking listening to know wisdom plus if Mike didn't have someone to piss off. This would not even be worth listening to you know, what maybe he pisses me off MK stiff know and might that belly laugh is a beautiful thing. You're gonna love this episode then because I just had a much bigger one. I could just burst a blood vessel and I'm the chores the worst parenting chores part 2 Sarge said he wanted to set the record straight. Again that his he calls his son. No his son while you back up a little I called him out for nicknaming his son jack hammer, and I said your fucking copy because my son is nicknamed the hammer and he has been for five four years for more than four years. He does he know this. I mean, what are the it doesn't matter if he knows it. He knows it now. He doesn't know how long it was but he says his son calls himself Jackhammer, so he didn't steal my nickname his son who's clearly been listening to our podcast. I hope he's giving it a rating. Yeah. Come on. He says I am I'm merely honoring you gentlemen and your brilliant ideas of naming your children and wives instead of using their real names Mama buried took that name for herself. I use her real name Heather mom and buried check it out. She stole it from my God my damn. She said she didn't take my actual last name, but she did take my influence her last name my Instagram last night. She did not think she did. I hate laundry and dishes. I swear. Those are my silent jobs and they won't get done. If I don't do them. I've tried the waiting game, but I lose every time because shit piles. Hi, I think my Uses the excuses she cooks and bird their children. So I have to do some fucking work. You think your wife uses that excuse? No, that's 100% way. Your wife does that's a big time. I do all the laundry and the dishes all of them my wife never puts anything in the dishwasher and anytime. I'm like dude just put it in the dishwasher like she these everything out every once in a while. I'll be like fed up and I'll say that why don't you push it in the dishwasher and she'll immediately be like, whoa. You shit everywhere never like just the whole. What about his emotions? Sometimes sometimes you do the thing where you like quick your neck twice and you're like, all right. It's go time. Let's get this ready take your earrings off. Why don't I put your shit in the dishwasher put your shit in it? And then you're just like, okay. I'm ready for sometimes you need to have a dust-up. You need to clear the air but keep it right. You never win. No, but you got if you win this problems. Yeah. I know the women got a win. Yeah, the wives got a and of course because that's how nature be is sometimes it'd be like that sometimes it do what do we need to graph something like this it's not here but at the same time we want to say thank you to everybody can you imagine all our patrons and all our listeners 47 episodes guys were coming up at the end of the year we might we're gonna do like a clip show and yeah it's going to be good go by Kinder perfect for the stocking stuffers go it was it for 20 off Dad's on Kinder on Amazon and 20 off Daddy I'm Kinder perfect yep and if one of those doesn't work try the other one on the other side alright I don't have this shit memorized I'm not Sam Beckett from Quantum Leap okay look the most important thing is Kinder perfect is a great perfect gift for you it is a v perfect it is the Kinder perfect gift what do you want for Christmas All I Want For Christmas Mike is a well-behaved child. You should have just said Kinder perfect were like basically doing an ad for a new fucking black. All right guys, I'm gonna blow this and much more later. We'll see you next week.

Oh, you don't lie to your kids? Really? Santa ring a bell? How about the Tooth Fairy? What about the Switch Witch (whoever came up with that one is a real monster). You want the truth? You have to LIE! It's part of that parenting mandate. I mean, who really know what happens if you actualy count to 3. Mike and Pete take an indepth look at thousands of quatitavie data points across the globe and build a model of the socio-economic impact of lying to your kids. See? Lying isn't so hard afterall.

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Find me on all social media platforms and welcome to Luke's mind power. Thank you for spending some time with me today each week. I will bring you an empowering message or person to Enlighten your soul and reignite that greatness that you have within you my friends together. We can change the world, please note. That you could be an inspiration and even save someone's life today simply by sharing this episode with one friend via text or Whatsapp or on your social platforms. So wherever you're tuning in from I welcome you now let the motivation begin. Another Day Another Blessing what's up world? And welcome to another episode of Luke's mind power podcast today. I'm interviewing a special guest who I met through this amazing world of social media. She is a passionate life coach who lives by her powerful slogan live think grow. She is a woman of many talents and sings dances and plays the ukulele she is here to help 20-somethings and I'm sure everyone who comes in contact. Attacked with her drastically shift their mindset and behavior. So they reach their Highest Potential in all areas of life. Yes. That's what I want to reach my Highest Potential. So please help me in welcoming Regina silver. Hello world. Yes, I love that intro Luke. So true. I think everyone could benefit from it. Yeah, thank you so much for having the time. I know you're in Portugal. So I really appreciate it. Yes, of course, you know how it is. Luckily the internet is able to connect us globally. So yeah, I'm really excited. Absolutely. And you know, I did I mention that I met you through this amazing world of social media, and I actually think that Connection was a male from Sydney and his name is Tyrone. Yes, Tyrone. Yes, he is my business coach actually funny enough because that's how much I believe in coaching. Right? Right, right. That's so awesome. So yeah, I must have been scrolling through his somehow I found you. And so yeah, I this this whole social media world for me You know when I started last year in December is has just opened my eyes to realizing that you know, yeah, we do have the world at our fingertips with you know, this kind of platform. So give us a bit of a, you know, utilizing it to this advantage of being able to help people around the world like an connect like the like we are now so it's great but give us a bit of a insight into your journey and you know how you actually became a life coach and kind. Why you'd want what's driving you what is that that you want to be that light for others? Yes, so I always loved telling this story because I really do think that before, you know, you can truly find the light you do have to experience darkness. And so my Story begins about a year ago a little over a year ago now. Yeah, since we're in October, yeah, so October of 2018 up until that point I essentially went One of the toughest years of my life, so I graduated uni and like most people you come out of University. Like what am I supposed to do with my life and it was really really tough for me not just because of that but I was also in a relationship that was leaving me with quite a bit of anxiety. I mean, I'm actually under playing it. It was really we bad to the point where I would basically wake up every single morning feeling like I had to throw up and I was pursuing acting at the time. I was in Los Angeles and I loved it. I loved acting but you know less than just is very expensive city. And so having to work all the time on top of having anxiety on top of having this relationship. That just wasn't Leaving me as my best me, which is totally my responsibility that I've come to realize now. And so basically I'm going through this year and every day I'm waking up and I'm like this this just isn't it like this isn't how I want to live my life. Like I don't want to live my life with fear and with anxiety and not you know doing what I want to do and travel had been such a big influence in my life, and I couldn't really travel because Cuz of the career I was trying to pursue so with acting you just can't travel you need to be there for auditions and whatnot. And so I felt very just suffocated and limited and I realized that I wasn't I just wasn't the person I wanted to be, you know, like and so essentially I decided in the fall. I was going to put all my stuff in a storage unit and I was going to I will southeast Asia first several months and I was going to go by myself no plans, which was so unlike me because I'd always been a planner before and I went to Thailand and I got my yoga teacher training and during that month of the yoga teacher training my life completely transformed when I just started to dive in to myself and realizing all of these. mating beliefs that I had all of this cultural conditioning that I had just all the lies and the bullshit that were keeping me from being a light from being content every day keeping me from having gratitude for you know, every single thing in my life and it was a very hard month right because you're essentially visiting all of your shadows and then from there obviously, The journey continued I continue traveling throughout southeast Asia really just allowing myself to see where the universe would take me which was scary right now. You jumping into the unknown. I'm a single woman alone in a poem but it ended up being completely amazing. I'm I just completely surrendered and with that surrender. I met so many incredible people. Fell into such amazing situations and I just saw so many beautiful things and again with each day. Just continuing to learn and see like how I could change my perception of the world. And so at the end of the trip I last country I visited actually was Indonesia. So I was in Bali and I realized I made a really big decision and That month that I wanted to continue this path this path of growth this path of helping others see their power and their potential. Yeah, so then I decided I would figure it out and make make it my goal to move back to Bali and you know along this journey. I didn't know at first that I wanted to be a coach. All I was doing was using social media and Instagram, too. Just relay the information that I was learning and I started noticing how people were reacting. Like it was crazy people from high school who I hadn't even spoken to in years and people who I briefly met like in a hostel. Just seeing the impact of sharing what I was going through and seeing how it was affecting others. I was like, okay, there's something here like, oh, okay something's Brewing. And so it kind of just naturally unfolded where I just started creating this platform really utilized in my Instagram to share these messages share what I was learning and then it wasn't actually until a couple of months ago that I met Tyrone who you've funny enough you mentioned and I really lacked guidance. Like I had all these skills. I knew I wanted to help people but didn't know like how to put it together. Her into something that I could you know, Chase has a career and actually make it a mission at least for now and he really helped me basically come up with the answer myself that okay. I could be a really Kick-Ass coach and help other people who were like are going through what I basically went through and who is better to help them than someone who has been in their shoes and so really making it Mission especially to tackle people my age because I do feel that there is a shift happening and that there are people in their 20s, which is such a critical, you know time in our lives that want to grow and want to be pushed. And so yeah, it's essentially what I'm doing now is just helping other people like giving back and knowing that by doing this the more people that they start on their Journey the more That they're going to affect other people and it's just going to be a huge ripple effect. And so feeling like this is kind of my calling my purpose at least for now, you know, because you never know where life is going to take you but that's basically The Abridged version of this amazing wild ride that I've been on this last year. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. And you know, you mentioned that you having such an impact when you started showing up and you know people that you'd known from high school or whatever with that were they reacting in a positive way. Was it a negative way? What were they surprised that you were doing what you're doing or? Yeah, so it's funny. I you know like you kind of have a filter sometimes or I used to have a filter when you would post because of that fear of negative, you know, having negative thoughts about what you're doing or judgments, but fun like funny enough all of the people reaching out it was all positive. It was people who like I said hadn't talked to in a while, but they would be like, I just want to let you know like I'm seeing You're doing and it's really inspiring and it's inspired me to do this this this so yeah, it was mostly all positive. I don't think I receive any negativity and if if someone didn't like what I was posting or doing a lot of them kind of just like eliminated themselves by like I'm following me. This is funny right for sure. I completely understand and you know when you are kind of Stepping into your light and and truly like living within that you know, or of passion and purpose, you know, you start to learn to kind of not react to people's opinions and negativity because that's not your truth. You know what it is. But it is difficult at the beginning and it's something that I had to learn because you know, I just thought automatically that because I'm showing up on social media. I'm speaking and doing these inspirational videos and all that kind of stuff some of the people that I knew were like what the hell is going on who the hell are you like because I just came out of nowhere like, you know what I mean and and and it was different because I came from smoke. I came from using cocaine and drinking all the time and partying and being So sociable and available to everyone all of a sudden. I became a Hermit and very introverted and very closed and just you know, I was started to grow you know, so yeah, I guess there's always, you know, the positives and the negatives you mentioned about that you were in LA and you wanted to be an actor or actress and you and then you when you went onto this path you were you know? Choosing the path of growth do you think that as an actor or an actress? I'm not sure which which term to to use but that growth wouldn't have been as much if you were doing that as if you're doing this. As a person. Yeah. No, it's not necessarily that growth would have happened but I felt like for me it was more. So let me give you context. I had this idea this dream that I wanted to be an actor since I was like two three years old. So when it came down to it at the end of this trip, it was a it was basically Monumental decision. Because I was kind of choosing what I thought was my path what I thought I wanted. I was choosing between that and what I believed was my actual true path or what I perceived to be true as of right now, but I do believe it's your paradoxical and so for me, it's not so much that growth when it have happened. I just had to come to the realization on my own that for my my biggest amount of growth that I had to choose this path if that makes sense, but I mean, I definitely don't like I don't think that if you're an actor or an actress that you won't have growth it was more like a personal realization that that wasn't what I thought it was even though I had it in my head for so many years and you know, What was the anxiety in the relationship and the the negative emotional stress that you were dealing with? And why was that happening? Because yeah, this was just just in case right there is someone out there listening right now and they're in a relationship and they are struggling with all their not feeling good in their relationship and they don't have the courage to speak up or you know, because I think that's probably one of the hardest. Things I had to deal with I was someone who was very it was very hard for me to open up and to actually have the courage to say I'm not happy like I would always I would be the guy that would be in the relationship and I would wait for the girl to say what's wrong with you. Because that's just how I was and I wasn't good with communication and you know showing my my true feelings because I I didn't want to hurt her right so I wouldn't say anything until she felt that wow, you're in his energies totally wrong. He's so not into me something's wrong. And then when they would say, hey what's wrong with you? Because you've been really cold then I would have to say right. So, how did you how did you deal with it? Well for me, the anxiety was coming from what I now realize was this lack of self-love and this idea that I needed this person to give me my value give me my worth and so I was trying to seek basically, you know, I felt broken, but I was trying to seek the healing from someone else. Instead of myself and you know, I could now come to learn that we have to love ourselves first. And that was what was seriously lacking in that relationship. So the anxiety was coming from we've been together for over three years. So it was a kind of a back-and-forth of me just wanting to really attached to this relationship and not lose it and during That last year we were kind of on the Rocks. So the idea of not having that person anymore that person that was giving me and tent like giving me the love and telling me all the things that I needed to hear because I couldn't produce that from myself just made me sick to my stomach. It was this idea that if I if I lost that person that I was no longer going to have that and on a subconscious level, I would no longer this is D but have that worth or that value because I wasn't producing it for myself. I needed it externally and it was really hard to deal with I actually started seeing a therapist but also feeling like I didn't know how to deal with this and it and now I know that the solution is self-growth like really look like turning inwards and realize That especially in a relationship that whatever is going on is normally a reflection of your inner your inner thought your relationship with yourself. Wow. Regina asked me how old are you? I'm 20 for your 24 that's amazing man. Like I I mean, I've had this, you know, this situation happened to me and I've been in and out of relationships, you know, since I was a teenager and so for me to get to and that's why you know, it really is an example. This is a pure example of you know, understanding your own journey in your life and not comparing yourself to anyone because your life is completely different and you know, I've had to come to this realization at 33 As to why my relationships were not working because I was continuously seeking validation from external sources not from me. I didn't love me right + and everything that you're saying completely connects with me because I did the same thing and like now because I've been invested in solitude in invested in myself and spending time with myself. Look what's happened. You know I've evolved into this person that I never ever knew that I could be. Because I'm not in a relationship. I'm just in a relationship with myself, you know, so it's really powerful what you're going through and and you know, it must feel amazing. Yeah, it definitely feels amazing, especially to look back and see how I've grown. And one of the biggest days actually is that I kept a journal and I journaled almost every single day during it was this 5 month trip to Southeast Asia and to look back at the progress and to see exactly what I was thinking is incredible well, For anyone listening a year, you can transform so much even in six months in three months, you know, it's possible not just like 20 year long Journal Journey the other you know, I just posted a my latest post on Instagram was 12 months can like it. What's my other that says you can you can transform in or 12 months can do a lot to to a person, you know, I kind of let me look at my friend. I really To say this the right way. What did I say? What did I write? I wrote A lot can change in 12 months. And then I saw another rapper from Sydney and he's post was the same thing, you know in 12 months. I've changed over all the other field that you're the like third person to say that today and it's so true. It is so powerful what 12 months can do to you if you want to grow if you want to put in the world, you know what I mean? So that's amazing, but going back to your Journal, you know, because I'm heading to China in December. And one thing that I have done is I've bought a few books one of them being a journal and I definitely want to have that quiet time where I actually write and write what I think so, can you tell me how do you use a journal anyway because this is all new to me and I mean, I want to get to the point where I'm able to write a book as well. Yeah. Do you going to bait you going to use that journal and then make that into a book or how does it work? Yeah, that's actually A future goal of mine but on the trip, I made it a habit. Even if I didn't feel like it I had like I forced myself in a disciplined way to write a journal entry and I'm not going to lie. I've definitely slipped I still Journal but not as often and I do want to incorporate that back into a daily discipline. But yeah, really making it something that you said. Set that you will do and I used to do it right before I go to bed because it would be a good time to kind of recap the day and it's nice because you're not looking at your phone. But yeah, the goal is to funny that you mentioned that but I definitely do want to turn it into a book, but somewhat was stuff its deep its deep and just some crazy amazing stuff happen and I'm like, I don't know if I'm quite ready. For like my family and friends to see that stuff yet, but that's definitely a future goal of mine. But until then I carry like it's still with me wherever I go and I love going back and reading it especially when I have like Lo days just to kind of remind myself, you know, it's all part of the cycle it too shall pass kind of thing. So this whole self Action is really powerful in being able to read that and and know that wow, you know, it kind of just like a automatic recharge because you realize wow. Look how much I've grown. Look what I've done and and can it keep moving forward. Yeah, and it's funny like I read it the other day and I was I was laughing because it was the first journal entry. So I was on my plane to Tokyo when I was writing it. So that's why I started the trip. I spent and how much do you write like a day? Like, do you write a page? Do you write a paragraph? What is it is or do just honestly it's whatever you're feeling but just committing to writing. Definitely good. And I know I was looking back on this entry. Right and it was like, yeah and this journey is about to start. I don't know where it will take me but what I do know is that it will be like the most transformative months of my life. And and I was just laughing when I read that some like haha. You don't even know like oh Pastor Gina, you don't even know the amazing path. We about to that's all Saigon and it's true. It's True, you know when you take this path of personal growth and you know kind of embracing Solitude and and and you know wanting to experience new cultures or live in different places or travel or whatever your life becomes so unpredictable. And I mean, I haven't had the I guess the the chance or I haven't been able to get a go and travel and live in different places, but I have been able to you know to travel to the States this year. Year, and I'm going back next month and just staying with family in Chicago traveling to La going to conferences and stuff like that. This year has been like the most unpredictable year of my life simply because of my networking my willingness to you know, show up and do what I'm doing. And so I didn't know that I would be doing podcasts for example, if you know what I mean, so that's just one example. I didn't know that I'm going to live in a Shaolin Temple in China in December. I didn't know these kind of things, you know what I mean? So it's just very exciting and I can imagine what you're going through and and to think about where you're going to be in 6 months or 12 months. It's just it's a very exciting kind of way of life because it is unpredictable. You don't know and and and you know, I think it's yeah and I finish them. Yeah, I mean, can you relate sometimes people would be like what we'll like what are you going to be doing in six months and a lot of times I answer them. I'm like, I have no idea just beware the way takes me I don't know who I'm even gonna be like or what other potential or gift. Am I sitting on that I don't even know that I have exactly you know, and I feel that like, I'm like, okay, I'm really connecting with podcasting I did. On Instagram, I done all that stuff. Yes. I'm going to go speak on stage next month. What else is there? You know and I feel like I'm still untapping like this confidence that I have. I'm building it. I'm growing it. But what else can I do and I'm excited for that because I really feel like, you know, as you grow you grow this new mechanism of belief of what is actually possible in your life. Yeah, and do you believe like it's it's different because I don't I feel like you could probably agree with this but we see the unknown as more exciting now then fear-based and I think at least for me that's been the biggest switch because in the past I used to be like, oh my God, I don't know where I'll be in six months and it would be a place of fear of scary like, oh, I don't know. Eddie but now I see it more as like exciting, you know, like even two months ago. Like I didn't even know I wanted to be a coach until two months ago. And now I have paying clients and I'm working with people weekly to change their lives. So it's like you never know. Just yeah exactly. It is exciting. It's you know, I was in Europe two months ago and that's when I got a message for an opportunity to speak and I was like again, I didn't know that in November. I'm going to be going back to the States. You know what? I mean? So that's just a perfect example we eat is unpredictable, you know, and then what happens from that when you're going to go speak who you're going to meet d what other door is going to be unlocked because you say yes to an opportunity or you say yes to something different. And that's pretty much the exciting reality that you can live in when you start saying yes to yourself or opportunities. Yes, very true and being open to saying yes, and then just allowing whatever to happen to happen lately. Absolutely. So you mentioned yoga. Can you there and listen I see it all over Instagram. I have never done it before. I have no idea. I'm not ever done yoga. Never done yoga. I know that it's probably very, you know, it's all mindfulness and spirituality connected somehow whatever but can you give us a bit of a rundown of what it is and what it has done for you and how how is it benefit your lifestyle? Yeah, so yoga. It's beyond just you know, the physical practice of yoga what I learned during that teacher training right to the month was basically for me to become yoga teacher certified which I'm actually currently not teaching right now, but it's actually an entire philosophy. It's just interconnectedness of finding peace and contentment with your life. And essentially learning how to become completely present and living in the now which is the only time that exists right? The future doesn't exist. The past doesn't exist. And so through different ways right through meditation through the physical yoga practice. The whole point of it really is to obtain that Oneness of the mind and the body and the breath and And so yeah, I incorporate that into my daily practice. I mean, I do meditate every day and I absolutely have to meditate every day. I feel a difference when I don't and I have flocked a little bit on the physical practice of yoga, right? So that's like what you kind of go to yoga class to do, you know stretches and everything, but the whole point of that actually I did learn is to really prepare. For meditation. So you do the physical practice the stretching of the body to prepare you to sit in that meditative position in a comfortable way, you know, like the Yogi's up in the in the mountains they can sit there for hours. Is that where yoga came from the Yogi's in the mountain? Well, it came from India. So it's based in the Hindu religion. Yep. And you know, there's a whole books of knowledge that yoga came from and honestly, I need to brush up more on the philosophical side. But yeah, it's very Ancient Ancient practice. Yoga is obviously yeah, I mean for anyone and even if you know, you don't want to meditate just taking that time to stretch and to link your breath with your body. Is really powerful. I mean it reduces anxiety. It helps with mental Clarity with focus and with your body it helps, you know, release muscle tension and it helps alignment as well. So I used to have really like alignment with your spine. I used to have really bad back problems. But since doing yoga, I basically have been able to heal myself because yoga really helps with with you getting your your spinal, you know bones in alignment your hips in alignment. And yeah, it has so many benefits. I feel like you need to give it a try. Well, I'm just sitting here listening to you and I'm sitting here listening to you and you're not the first person that does yoga, but it's something that I'm definitely curious about and I would like to try it, but I know one thing for sure is that I am a hundred and eighty eight centimeters tall and I am not flexible saying that is a little limiting belief that but I'm willing but I'm reading I am willing I'm willing is the more that you stretch to the easier it becomes I remember my first day of my yoga teacher training. I was like, oh my God, I can barely do some of these poses and by day 30 I was slipping into them. Yeah, of course sighs Yeah, you mentioned when you were talking about your journey about cultural conditioning. I actually talked a lot about this as well. But can you give us a rundown of what that actually means and and how it has like how it did. You and and the difference between how you thought them and how you think now? Yeah, so what I mean by cultural conditioning, right, so we're all born into this world. Mmm. No conditioning. Right but as we grow up depending on where you grow up who your family is your environment what you're exposed to you start to embed these beliefs these ways of thinking and I mean this is rooted in this isn't just me saying this it's all this is rooted in. Sociology and psychology. So as we're born, right we go to school where told certain ways to view the world. I'm trying to think of an example here that will help make this up from like parents like from what our family thing. Okay, so just Society from yeah Society. Okay from the music you listen to the movie of I can think of an example right romantic relationships, right? So, yep. When I'm a little girl, I see all these images of the fairy princess and the prince and then I walked all of these rom-coms where I see how you know men and women interact and what I think relationships are supposed to look like and that's an example of a social, you know, a so social cultural conditioning. So I started to believe okay. This is what relationships look like and so as I go Into, you know being a teenager and then into adulthood I have all of these ideas of love and you know images of what it means to be a woman and how I need to act in order to find love and so you start to operate from that belief system because that's what you've been conditioned to believe and obviously I'm like breezing through this it goes much deeper than you know what I'm able to explain. Right now and so when you start to take a look at yourself, you start to kind of unpeel or to peel what has been like fed to you. Like what are the beliefs that have been fed to you and what you actually believe and so you kind of start like first step is awareness. You kind of start to take a look at you know, what you've surrounded yourself with and what are the beliefs? That you have and then you can start to decide how you actually want to believe and perceive the situation. So for me, you know, like the Romantic relationship example looking at how I had this belief that I had to be a certain way in order for me to you know, find a romantic partner and then realizing like no that's just something that I've been conditioned to believe, you know, especially SLI for me being a very like strong independent woman. Like I don't need to be this like Damsel in Distress. Like I am a powerful woman. So like owning that power and knowing that man who will value that and I don't need to be princess, you know, you know that very like brief level is the kind of conditioning that we all have. I mean, it's inevitable unless you're born in like a forest somewhere. And by like parents who don't condition you or expose you to any media did you feel open and did you feel pressure that all like in terms of you know, growing up and being in a relationship and you know, getting married and having kids and all that kind of stuff. Have you did you have to feel through that kind of an experience or you didn't have you didn't have that kind of expectation from family and people around you? Well, I was lucky. Yeah, my family is super they're open-minded and very supportive and would never have those expectations. But I think like on a basic level like especially for women, you know Society does expect you to like have kids and then, you know, take care of the kids. I mean, I do think it's getting better. Yeah, especially women, you know, take being boss lady's and taking over the workforce. I love that. And so I don't think I've so much felt it yet. But I've definitely been surrounded by women who are older who have felt that pressure especially to have kids. Oh, that's a big one. Like actually my sister, you know, she's 29 and she's like she talks about all the time. She's like you don't even know how annoying it is how people ask me like, oh, when are you gonna get married because she has a boyfriend and there's this social social like by Society like pressure for her art of all ready to be married. Yeah. She's like I'm in no rush. So I don't think with my age like I felt it that much yet, but I'm sure I will soon. Yeah, look, I mean I even felt it as a male, you know, but I know that I guess the more we talk about it the more open we are and the more people he this kind of conversation then it definitely enlightens you To know that you know, you're you are on an independent journey and you know, the whole notion of comparing yourself to other people's lives and what your parents want you to do it because there are there are cultures out there that are very strict or they know they have what you're 25, you have to get married. You know and that's difficult when you've got loving parents. You've got a close family and you know what I mean? So yeah, it is a it is a tough tough thing. But what was that point where you woke up and you were like, it's all bullshit. You mean like in general about? Yeah, because you said like, you know, the whole cultural conditioning and what you led to believe and the fees and yeah, like will bullshit. Well, what happened there? How did you how did you do that? I don't think it was like one defining moment. Now that I'm thinking about it, but I think the biggest, you know, like way that it propelled me into realizing that was traveling and being exposed to so many. different ways of thinking and people just people just I think that was the biggest push and realizing that because when you are just exposed to variety to diversity, you can realize based on the how you've grown up like, what are the What are the ways that my culture has shaped my belief and then looking at someone else like what are the ways their culture shape their belief and then you realize at the end of the day. Wait a second. We're both human. There's something going on here. Right? Like we're being told this you're being told that but that at the end of the day, I think the biggest like waking up Factor was realizing we're all humans with these basic same needs there really is there is a difference in you and me, but at the end of the day there also isn't I don't even know if that makes sense. But yeah, yeah it is. It's hard to get a complete Clarity and grasp of it. But but but nevertheless, you know, you sound very very awake and conscious and triple her and and that's the beautiful thing about, you know, you know learning about yourself and and Covering yourself and you know, it is an amazing abundant continuous journey of growth and asks. Yeah, it's so cool. You know, like it's never ending. I'm telling you there's this world. Yeah, a lot of people definitely can get stagnant can get into this mindset of making a settlement because they don't believe that they can achieve anything more or become anything more than what they are. And so, you know Blissful dissatisfaction. Is a really powerful slogan where your Blissful in the moment but you keep pushing, you know, you keep moving forward. Yeah, so you play the ukulele you seeing your dance? What else do you do that? We don't know about you. Yeah, so I I just totally love, you know, different hobbies and being creative and artistic. So beyond that I also Of photography. I love film actually studied film at University. Just love the movies. What degree what's already cut you what degree did you finish? Yeah. So this is funny. I got had a communications degree. So this is something that I've realized has actually been really helpful in part of my journey because I Lee studied the evolutionary like reasons for the way we communicate and looked at different ways at like how men and women communicate differently. So it's actually been very useful people always ask me like well, are you even using your degree and I'm like actually yes, but yeah, that's that's good because I was going to say yeah, like I mean, I know people that have got degrees and then they're doing something completely opposite and It definitely goes to show that you know, sometimes you know, you're I mean, yeah, everybody's got their own journey and sometimes you might go to university and study something and then all of a sudden you finished that and you're like I don't or you can't find a job in that field. Yeah, that's very common. So and I do think the landscape is changing to like, you know, I don't think or I think people are really realizing that they don't Have to go to university to be successful or to be an entrepreneur, you know, someone who talks about this a lot is Gary vaynerchuk, which I'm sure you know about him. Yeah. Mike is just blowing up right now, but he talks about that all the time. He's like, I mean if you think it's for you then go but if you don't think it's for you, then you don't need to go like I love them expensive. So expensive especially in the u.s. It's ridiculous, you know. I won't lie like I'm definitely I student loans and it's an unfortunate reality for so many people especially in the United States. Like I'm not sure how it is in Australia, but it is a real thing. Yeah, it's expensive and you have to pay it off for so long. So you definitely want to know that you're going to use it if you're going to do it. And yeah, so you're originally from La. No, so I was born in Southwest Florida it it's a city called Fort Myers. A lot of people have you heard of it? I've had a I mean, I know Florida I'm gonna simple. Okay next month ocp. Okay, so that's an hour and a half north of where I was born and raised and I lived there for 18 years actually cool. Yeah. And it's the thing about this anything about where I grew up though. It is it's definitely not as conservative as like the south in the US which technically Florida is the soft but not really but it's not as open-minded and like diverse of a place as Los Angeles. So right that was a big thing for me when I moved there just having my eyes, you know. Begin to open up. What is it once I was exposed to more diversity. Yeah. Yep. That's cool. So you've lived. How long were you in? Are you going back to Bali after? Yes after porch? Oh, right. Um, so I've been in Bali now for five months and I you know, how life is I plan quote unquote on being there for at least another six months, but between that just Around I basically can work from anywhere. So my life this past year has been like a month somewhere a month and another place a couple of months there. See I've been pretty nomadic. I don't pretty amazing. Yeah and keep doing that man. Like you got to understand. I mean, I'm sure you have a lot of gratitude, you know for your life at this present moment, but there are so many people out there. They're doing jobs that they don't love and getting up every morning and not feeling good about their life. And here you are, you know living in Bali working from your laptop or traveling to other places and working from your laptop and it really is a dream lifestyle. Oh and I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that wish they could do that. Yeah, I mean they can do that. That's the thing. How high is it? How how how difficult was it to to get it started? Honestly, I was lucky because my the job that I work for an hour, LOL my boss did allow me to take it remote, but I do have so many people reaching out to me and they're like, how do you do it and I say it's a much easier than you think a lot of it is you getting over this idea that it's hard and that's you know, where I coach a lot of people I you know, I help coach them and get past. What is keeping them from living the life that they want or from doing something like this? The main thing is fear right and feeling like they can't but there's always a way there honestly, especially in today's day and age with technology. There's always a way to make it happen, but you first have to realize that you might be your biggest obstacle like your own beliefs in yourself. Definitely doesn't mean easy like it will still require work. But if you really want something you can make it happen. So, you know for anyone who's listening and it was like, oh, how can I make that happen? Honestly start by looking at what are the beliefs that you are carrying about it that might be keeping you from doing it, you know, it could be a belief like well, I can't find a job well. You can you just have to start believing that you can do you still hold on to any fees. Is there something that you're afraid of doing or you want to do but something is holding you back or your yeah, I mean, I think they're always be, you know things that I realize that or fears that I may have but I can't think of anyone anything right now because the work that I've done is allowed me to notice when I have These fears and yes, you want to work to work on them. So I will say sometimes I when I first started coaching I did have a fear that I wasn't going like I wasn't going to be good at it and then threw my curves Tyrone just helping me realize that that was just a belief that was keeping me from being a good coach. So yeah to answer your question whenever I fear does come up I'm able to recognize that it's a fear and look. The belief that I'm having about it that's keeping me from actually being successful or doing what I want to do. So, yeah, that's the perk of doing all this self growth. It's yeah just get better at it. You get better becoming aware and able to push through and grow even more so that coincides with your slogan live think grow. Yes. That's My slogan, you know, how can you live how can you think about different things Beyond yourself so that you can ultimately grow and continue this journey of growth so yeah, that is my slogan that's right. I live by that so okay. Yeah. Yeah, I see it and you know, I see your Instagram and you're really like, you know, it really being vulnerable and expressing yourself in many different. Forms, you know be that singing dancing on the beach, you know your photography, which is amazing. Do you still hold any limiting beliefs or self-doubt and like, how do you how are you able to to be that free because I'm sure there's people out there that are not so open. They're not willing to they don't have that confidence, you know and it and it really looks by looking at your social media that you're just you're You're such a free agent you're living in this, you know, bubble of abundance and and just owning that and how can people get to that kind of level. Yeah, so at the beginning, I remember like a year and a half ago. I would have been so scared to post like a video of me singing for instance because you know fear of oh my God, what if someone thinks I've sound bad? What if I do sound bad? What if I look weird? You start to get all of these self-doubts that creep in your head. Same thing about posting anything that's vulnerable. But what I started realizing is that the benefit would always outweigh. This perceived costs that I have in that someone out there someone when you post something boom. Well, you might not even ever know but can relate to that or needed to hear that are needed to see that and so So the biggest factor is just I've stopped truly caring about what other people will think and realize that I do like I can do or be whatever. I want to be like, why do I need to let other people's opinions or what other people might think hold me back. So really having that like, I don't know. Care, you know what I'm saying? I'm still with like I believe in that and I also to say like I didn't give a shit what anyone thinks about me? I'll be honest and say that I'm still fighting that I still have. Yeah in that subconscious mind that perception of people looking at me or people me trying to think about what people are thinking about what I'm doing. And even standing up in front of people, it's still something that I get anxiety with and but I definitely know that the more that I take action on something like standing up and speaking the more I grow in confidence within myself, but I've just I don't know I'm a deep thinker and so I doubt myself. I do have that conch self-consciousness of you know, what are they thinking about me? Of course, which is like very human and I'm not saying like I don't care what other people think I mean in real life. Like when I go outside sometimes I'm like, oh my God, if someone like staring at me or you know, I think it's a very human thing. I think that all of us care what other people think or even me saying, I don't care like I still think deep down. They're still a little part for sure that cares. But it's like can you push through that? And also if you if you think about it this way if you realize that everyone cares about what other people think that that we all kind of have this fear. And so can you be that one person that pushes through that to show and to help other people also not care about what other people think if that makes sense. So it's like can you have courage enough to show and help other people have Edge you know, but it's definitely hard and I think the more that you put yourself out there the easier it gets and especially with Instagram. Like I totally stopped caring about how many likes I get or how many views I mean. Yeah insights are important for business, but I don't post it's like are you posting for the right reason to you know, like if you are posting to seek validation then It's kind of come from a different place than if you're posting because you just want to share that thing, you know. Yeah, like if the intention is, you know with integrity and you know, true humility and you know truth of who you are as a person and you're not seeking external validation you you're not trying to you know, work with your ego. I think you're doing the right thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, and you know it gets easier. I mean self-growth. It's crazy how much it ripples into literally every area of your life because if you're doing the work to love yourself and to know that your value doesn't come from anyone else but yourself it trickled into things like even posting vulnerable things on Instagram for instance because if you have that that power within all of that other stuff starts to become less important and yeah, you'll see it affect you like your behavior in all areas of life. Mmm powerful Regina. Yeah. I I believe that I love myself. I've worked on myself a lot. I've talked to myself in the mirror. I Empower myself. I just have conversations with myself. Sometimes I have moments where I ask myself a question and then ice cream At myself in a positive demanding forceful way of like, you know, yes, I am enough and I screw up sometimes I scream like in the car, you know, what is some ways that I can love myself even more. Yeah, I mean, I'm still yeah, I mean I'm still struggling with this is as confident as I'm standing because I do think it is. One of the hardest things is to truly love yourself. But yeah, just continuing doing what you're doing and putting yourself first and not in a negatively selfish Way But continuing to honor yourself and your ND so loving yourself even looks If you know if you need to cancel plans on someone because of you're not feeling it or you need to have a night of solitude. That's what loving yourself is. It's it's what can you do every single day to put yourself first knowing that you're doing that so that you can better love everyone else because really being loved and embodying love and being that light for other. People it all starts from loving yourself first. So I mean honestly reflection to journaling affirmation, which you do it's all things that I recommend to my clients to just jump start this process, you know, but it really does look like being positively selfish. Yeah. It does think it definitely does seem like that, but but it truly isn't and and it does make sense that you know, you need to fill your cup first you Yeah, once you stop following, you know, once you start overflowing obviously you're able to help others, you know. Yeah, I mean, it's like they say on the airplane like before you can put an oxygen mask on someone else put yours first, you know, it's funny you mentioned that I was driving examiner for a government Department. I did I resigned last December and lasts you while I was still doing that job. I was telling a student or an applicant in the car. That I was just having a conversation and she said that to me and she said yeah, it's like that quote that you know, you need to put your oxygen mask on before you help others because if you don't have your oxygen mask on then you're going to die and you might be able to help anyone. Yep. And yeah, I just said she said that to me, I think she passed for that matter anyway, but but yeah, it is so true. It's so true. It's true and Powerful Regina. You're amazing. I truly appreciate your time your energy your wisdom your experience. I know that you've got such a long way to go and your life is going to be unpredictable, but exciting at the same time. I hope I get to meet you sometime soon. It would be amazing. Where can people find you. Yeah, so the best way to find me is on my Instagram. So at Regina regi na2o Silva silv a so is my middle initial. I'm not Irish thinking that but yeah at Regina o Silva on Instagram. Yeah, that would be the best way and then yeah, I'll my other Links and ways to find me will be accessed through Instagram and that's a my main hub for everything all inspiration and all things me awesome. Awesome. Well, just before we go just one final question. If you could change one thing in this world to make it a better place, what would you do I would I would hope hope that we could all act from a place of love knowing that if we can all come from a place of Love instead of fear or hate or any of the other negative things that honestly I think Miss World would be a substantially better place and we could actually solve all of our problems. So yeah, I think that's one thing I could change and beautifully. Starting to do that by instilling power and other people so absolutely absolutely absolutely it seems like that's exactly what you're doing coming from a place of love. And and and so am I in so, you know much love sending you a positive life. I really appreciate your time. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you. This has been amazing. I was so excited when you asked me except I got this has been incredible and I'm really thankful for you. Awesome. Well, thanks again, and I'll talk to you soon. Yeah. Thanks. Man, what a blessing. Thank you so much for joining me today. It's always Another Day Another Blessing and I'm so overwhelmed with love joy and gratitude to be using this gift of communication that I have been blessed with to use my life Journey wisdom and character to be a possible Catalyst for someone's Darkness your support means the universe to me and I appreciate you so much if there is one thing I can say about my life. It's this the Number one thing that's revolutionized the way I think the connections I have and the way I live is Facebook groups just like the group. I have created Dream Chasers and this group can do the same for you. 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Never trodden by human foot were penetrated by human imagination that we did not mention his wild hopes of revolutionising the entire Sciences of biology and geology. his preliminary sledging and boring journey of January 11 through 18 with a Bodhi and five others marred by the loss of two dogs in an upset when Crossing one of the great pressure ridges in the ice had brought up more and more of the archaea and slate and even I was interested by the singular profusion of evident, fossil markings and that unbelievably ancient stratum These markings however were very primitive life-forms involving no great Paradox accept that any life forms should occur in rock as definitely Precambrian as this seemed to be hence. I still fail to see the good sense of lakes demand for interlude into our time saving program, but in turning the choir The use of all four planes many men and the whole of the expedition's mechanical apparatus. I did not in the end veto the plan though. I decided not to accompany northwestward party. Despite Lakes plea for my geological advice. While they were gone, I would remain at the base with Parvati and five men and workout final plans for the Eastward shipped in preparation for this transfer. One of the planes had begun to move up. Good gasoline Supply from McMurdo sound if this could wait temporarily I kept with me one Sledge and nine dogs, since it is unwise to be at any time without possible Transportation into an utterly tenantless world of a on long dad likes soaked Expedition into the unknown as everyone will recall sent out its own Resorts from the shortwave transmitters on the plains. These being simultaneously picked up by our apparatus of the Southern base and by the Arkham at McMurdo sound once they were relayed to the outside world on wavelengths up to 50 meters starts main January 20 seconds and 4 a.m. The first Wireless message. We received came only two hours later when Lake spoke of descending and starting a small. Scale ice melting and board at a point some 300 miles from us. Six hours after that the second and very excited message told the Frantic Beaver like work where by a shallow shaft had been sunk and blasted culminating in the discovery of sleep fragments with several markings approximately like the one which had caused the original puzzlement. Three hours later a brief bulletin the mouth to the resumption of the flight in the teeth of raw and piercing Gail iwhat. I despatched a message of protest against further hazards. They replied curtly that is new specimens made any Hazard or taking I saw that his excitement had reached the point of mutiny. That I could do nothing to check his headlong risk of the whole Expedition success, but it was appalling to think of as plunging deeper and deeper into that treacherous and Sinister white immensity of tempests and unfathomed Mysteries, which stretched off for some 1,500 miles to the have known have suspected Coastline of Queen Mary and Knox revs. Then in about an hour and a half more came that doubly excited message from Lakes moving plane, which almost reversed my sentiments and made me wish I had accompanied the party. 10:05 p.m. On the wing after a snowstorm have spied a mountain range ahead higher than any other two scene. They equal Himalayas allowing for height of plateau. Probably latitude 76 degrees longitude 113° reaches far as the eye can see from right to left suspicion of to smoking cones. Peaks black and bare of snow Gale blowing them off impedes navigation after that a Bodhi the men and I hung breathlessly over the receiver thought of this Titanic Mountain Rampart 700 miles away inflamed our deepest sense of adventure and we Rejoice that our Expedition if not ourselves personally. I've been its discoverers and half an hour link called us again. Motels playing horse down on plateau and foothills but nobody hurts and perhaps can repair shall transfer Essentials to other three for return or further moves if necessary, but no more heavy plane travel needed just now Mountain surpass anything in imagination. I'm going up scouting and carols playing with all weight out. You can't imagine anything like this. Highest peaks must go over 35,000 feet Everest out of the running Atwood to work out height with you Delight with Carol and I go up probably wrong about combs for formations look stratified possibly Precambrian slate with other straddle mixed in strange Skyline effects regular sections of Cubes clean to highest peaks. Famous my blessed and red glow light to low Sun like land of mystery in a dream or gateway to Forbidden World of untrodden Wonder. We wish you were here to study with us. It was technically are sleeping time. Not one of us listeners thought for a moment of retiring. It must have been a good deal the same at McMurdo sound where The Supply Cache and the Arkham for also getting the messages Captain Douglas gave out a call congratulating everybody on the important finds and Sherman the cash operator seconded is sentiments. We are sorry, of course about the damaged airplane that hoped. It could be easily mended. Then at 11 p.m. Came another call from Lake. Up with Carol over highest Foothills. Don't dare try really tall Peaks and present whether but shall later frightful word climbing and hard going at this altitude, but worth it great range. I only saw it. Hence can't get any glimpses Beyond main summons exceed Himalayas and very strange range looks Precambrian playing signs of many. Strata was wrong about volcanism goes further and either direction we can see swept clear of snow above 20,000 meet Todd formations on slopes of highest mountains great low square blocks with exactly vertical sides and rectangular lives of low vertical ramparts. Like the old Asian castles clinging to steep mountains in rorech is paintings impressive from a distance from close to some and Carol thought they were formed of smaller separate pieces, but that is probably just weathering most edges grumbled and rounded off as if exposed to storms and climate changes for millions of years Parts, especially upper Parts seem to be of light colored Rock than any visible strata on slopes proper. Hence, and evidently crystalline origin Clues flying shows many cave mouths some unusually regular and outline square or semicircular. You must come and investigate think I saw a rampart squarely on top of one Peak height seems to be 30,000 to 35,000 feet. Em Up twenty one thousand five hundred feet myself. In devilish gnawing cold wind whistles and pipes through passes in and out of caves but note flying danger so far. From then on for another half hour Lake kept running fire comments and expressed his intention of climbing some of the Peaks on foot. I replied that I would join him as soon as he could send a plane then that by Bodie and I would work out the best gasoline plan just where and how to concentrate our supply and filled the expedition's altered character obviously likes boring operations as well as his. They're playing activities would need a great deal delivered for the new base, which he was to establish at the foot of the mountains and it was possible at the Eastward flight might not be made after all this season in connection with this business. I called Captain Douglas and asked him to get as much as possible out of the ships and up the barrier with the single dog team. We had left there. But direct route across the unknown region between Lake and McMurdo sound. That's what you really thought to establish. Like called me later to say that he had decided to let the camp stay where Moulton's playing had been forced down and we're repairs at already progress. Someone's the ice sheet was very thin with dark ground here and they're visible and he would sink some borings and blasts at the very point before making any Sledge trips for climbing Expeditions. He spoke. Of the ineffable Majesty of the whole scene and the strange state of is insulation said being in the league of vast silent Pentacles whose ranks shot up like a wall reaching the sky the world's Rim Atwoods. Theodolite observations had placed the height of the tallest Peaks from 30,000 to 34,000 feet. The Windswept nature of the terrain clearly Disturbed like for argued the occasional existence of prodigious Gales violent beyond anything we had so far encountered his Camp my a little more than five miles from where the higher but ills abruptly Rose. I could almost trace a note of subconscious alarm in his words flashed across a glacial void of 700 miles as he urged a we all hasten with the matter and give this strange new regen disposed of as soon as possible. He was about to rest now after continuous day of work of almost unparalleled speed strenuousness and results. In the morning, I had a three-cornered wireless talk with Lee Captain Douglas that they're widely separated basis, but it was a great but one of lakes planes would come to my base for boating the five men men myself as well. As for all the fuel we would need to carry the rest of the fuel question depending on our decision about an easterly trip could wait a few days. Since Lake had enough for immediate Camp heat and borings eventually the old southern base ought to be restocked. But if we postponed easterly trim, we would not use it until next summer and meanwhile, they will send a plane to explore a direct route between his new mountains and McMurdo sound. Bodie and I prepared to close our base for a short or long period as the case might be if we wintered in the Antarctic, we would probably fly straight from Lake space to the Arkham without returning to this spot. Some of our kind of bullpens had already been reinforced by blocks of Hearts. No, and now we decided to complete the job and making a permanent Eskimo Village going to a very liberal 10 Supply they had with him all that has base with me even after our arrival my wireless that will Bode and I would be ready for the Northwestern move after one days or night's rest Our labors however were not very steady after 4 p.m. For about that time like had been sending in the most extraordinary and excited messages. His working day had stopped since airplane survey of the newly exposed rock surfaces showed an entire absence. Those are KN and primordial strata or which he was looking and which formed so great a part of the Colossal Peaks that loomed up at a tantalizing distance from the camp. Most of the Rocks glimpsed were apparently Jurassic sandstone and / Triassic shifts with now and then and glossy black outcropping suggesting a hard and slat ecole this rather discouraged Lee whose plans all hinged on an earthing specimens more than 500 million years old. It was clear to him that in order to recover the archaean Sleep vein in which he had found the odd markings. He would have to make a Sledge trip from these Foothills to the steep slopes of the gigantic mountains themselves. He had resolved nevertheless to do some local boring as part of the expedition's general program, hence. He said up the drill and put five men to work with AIDS while the rest finished settling the camp and repairing the damage to the airplane. The softest is all wrong a Sandstone about a quarter of a mile from the camp had been chosen for the first sampling and the drill made excellent progress with much supplementary lasting. It was about three hours afterward following the first really heavy blast of the operation, but the shouting of the drill Crews heard and that young dead knee the acting Foreman. Rushed into the camp with the startling news. They had struck the cave early in the boring the Sandstone had given place to a vein of limestone full of minut fossil cephalopods corals at Cheney and the occasional suggestions of sponges and Marine invertebrate Bones. The latter probably of tele osc's sharks began Owens visited self-supported enough. Supporting that first vertebra fossils the Expedition had yet to secure the win shortly afterward the drill head dropped through the stratum 2 apparently can see a whole new and doubly intense wave of excitement spread among the excavators a good-sized blast had laid open some touring secret and now through a jagged aperture, perhaps five. Feet across and three feet thick they're yawned before the Avid Searchers a section of shallow Limestone following worn more than 50 million years ago by the trickling groundwaters of the bygone Tropical World. The Halo player was not for them seven or eight feet deep but extended off indefinitely in all directions. Not a fresh slightly moving air which suggested its membership and an extensive Subterranean system. It's for and Reverb abundantly equipped with large stalactites and stalagmites some of which meant in kolender form, but important above all else was the vast appositive shells and Bones which in place is nearly choked the passage. Washed down from unknown Jamal's Mesozoic tree Ferns and fungi and forests of tertiary saez and homes and primitive angiosperms osseous medley contained representatives of more Cretaceous you seem and other animal species in the greatest paleontologist could have counted or classified in a year. Mollusks Crustaceans armor vicious amphibians reptiles birds and early mammals Great and Small Known Unknown. No wonder Jenny ran back to the camp shouting and no wonder everyone else dropped work rushed headlong through the biting cold two are the tall Derek marked Newfound gateway to Prince of inner earth and vanished eons when my had satisfied the first edge of his curiosity. He's great with the message in his notebook and had young loltun run back to the camp to send in my wireless. This was my first word of the discovery and it told the identification of early shells bones of ganaway. It's and black hole Durham's remnants of Labyrinth of dominance. And they de Danse great Moses or skull fragments dinosaur vertebrae armor plates. Pterodactyl teeth and Wing Bones debris of All Sorts miocene sharks. Teeth primitive Birds skulls normal skulls vertebrae and other bones of archaic mammals. There was nothing as recent as a mastodon elephant true camel deer or bovine animal hence like concluded that the last deposits that occurred during the oligocene age and that the hallowed straddle meddling in its present dried dead and inaccessible state for at least 30 million years on the other hand the prevalence. Very early life forms was singular in the highest degree. The Limestone formation was all the evidence of such typical embedded fossils positively and unmistakably come on Chien and not a particle earlier the free fragments in the Hall of space included a surprising proportion from organisms hitherto considered as peculiar too far older periods even Rudimentary vicious mollusks and corals as remote as the silurian or aw doc be in the inevitable inference was that in this part of the world there had been a remarkable and unique degree of continuity between the life of over 300 million years ago and that of only 30 million years ago how far this continuity extended the audiologist he'll age. The cavern was closed was of course passed all speculation in any event the coming of the frightful ice in the pleistocene age some 500,000 years ago a beer yesterday as compared with the age of this cavity must have put an end to any of the Primal forms, which had locally managed to outlive their common terms. Lake was not content to let his first message stands would had another bulletin written and dispatched across the snow to the camp before molten could get back after that Wilton stayed at the wireless and one of the planes transmitting to me and to the are coming from laying to the outside world the frequent post scripts which lake sent to him by a succession of Messengers, those who The newspapers will remember the excitement created among men of Science by that afternoons reports reports which have finally LED after all of these years to the organization that very Starkweather more Expedition, which I am so anxious to dissuade from its purposes. I had better give the messages literally as Lake sent them and as our Base operator, Fatigue translated them from his pencil shorthand Fowler makes discovery of highest importance in sandstone and Limestone fragments from blasts. Several distinct triangular striated prints like those in RK and slings proving that Source survived from over 600 million years ago to come and change and times without more than moderate morphological changes and decrease in average size. Come on Chien Prince apparently more primitive or decadent if anything than older ones. Emphasize the importance of Discovery and press will mean to biology with mine. Stein has meant mathematics and physics joins up with my previous work and amplifies conclusions appears to indicate as I suspected but Earth has seen whole cycle or cycles of organic life before known which begins with our KSL excels was evolved and specialized not Later than a thousand million years ago when planet was young and recently uninhabitable for any life forms or normal protoplasmic structures questions arise then where and how development took place. Later examining certain skeletal fragments of large land and Marine saurians and primitive familes find singular local wounds or injuries too bony structure, not attributable to any known predatory or carnivorous animal of any period two sorts straight penetrant boars and apparently hacking incisions. What are two cases of cleanly severed phone not many specimens affected I'm sending to camp for electric torches will extend search area underground by hacking away stalactites still later. I found peculiar soap stone fragment about six inches across and an inch and a half thick. Holy a mic any visible local formation. Danish but no evidence is to place its period as curious movements regularity shaped like five-pointed star with tips broken off and signs of other cleavage at inward angles and in center of surface small smooth depression in center of unbroken surface arouses much Curiosity has to source and weathering probably some freak. of water action Carol with magnifier thinks he can make out additional markings of geological significance groups of tiny dots and regular patterns dogs grow uneasy as we work and seem to hate this soapstone must see if it has any peculiar odor will report again when Mills gets back with light and we start on the Underground area. 10:15 p.m. Important Discovery or a dorm and Watkins working underground 945 with light found monstrous barrel-shaped fossil of wholly unknown nature. Probably vegetable unless overgrown specimen of unknown Marine Rhodesia. his shoes evidently preserved by mineral salts tough as leather, but astoundingly flexible retained in places marks a broken off Parts at ends and all around on signs six feet from end to end 3.5 feet the central diameter tapering to one foot each end like a barrel with five bulging ridges in place of Lateral breakages as of finished stocks are at equator in middle of these ridges and furrows between ridges are curious growths Combs or beings and pulled up and spread out like pans all greatly damaged but one which gives almost seven foot Wings spread Arrangement reminds one of certain Monsters of Primal myth especially fabled. other things in the Necronomicon These Wings seem to be membranous stretched on framework of glandular tubing apparent winding tour buses in frame tubing at wingtips Men's of body shriveled giving no clues to Interior or to what has broken off their must dissect we get back to Camp can't decide whether her vegetable or animal many features obviously of almost incredible primitiveness have set all hands cutting stalactites and looking for further specimens additional scarred bones found that these must wait having trouble with the dogs. They cannot endure the new specimen and would probably tear it to pieces if we didn't keep it at a distance. from them 11:30 p.m. Attention dire a Bodhi Douglas matters of highest. I might say Transcendent importance. Arkham must relate to Kingsport head station at once strange. Burial growth is the Arcane thing that left prints in rocks Mills Bordeaux and Fowler discover cluster of 13 more an underground point forty feet from a Bircher mixed with curiosity rounded and configured soap. Stone fragments smaller than one previously found. Star-shaped but no marks of breakage accepted some of the points of organic specimens feet. Apparently perfect with all the appendages have brought all to the surface leading off dogs to distance. They cannot stand the things get close attention to description and repeat back for accuracy. The papers was to get this right. Objects are 8 feet long all over 6 foot 5 rigid Barrel torso, 3.5 feet Central diameter one foot and diameters dark gray flexible and infinitely tough. 7-foot membranous wings of same color found Olden spread out of burrows between ridges. We remarked tubular or Regular of lighter gray but orifices at wing tips spread Wings have serrated edge around equator one at Central Apex. Each of the five vertical stay black ridges are five systems of light gray flexible arms or tentacles bound tightly folded to torso, but Expendable to maximum length of over three feet. Eat like arms of primitive crinoid single stocks 3 inches diameter Branch after six inches into V sub stocks each with branches up to eight inches into five small tapering tentacles or tendrils giving each stock the total of 25 tentacles at top of torso blunt. Bulbous neck of lighter gray. With Gil like suggestions holds yellowish five-pointed star fish shaped apparent head covered with 3-inch wiry cilia of various Prismatic colors head thick and puffy about two feet point to point with 3 inch flexible yellowish tombs projecting from each point slit in exact center. ER of top probably breathing temperature at each end of the tube is spiritual expansion were yellowish membrane rolls back on handling to reveal glassy read Irish clove evidently an I-5 slightly longer reddish tubes starts from inner angles of starfish shaped head and end in sock like swellings of same color which upon Pressure open to bell-shaped porpoises 2 inches maximum diameter and lied with sharp white tooth-like projections. Probable mouths all of these tubes cilia and points of starfish head found folded tightly down tubes and points clinging to pull his neck and torso flexibility surprising despite vast toughness that bottom of torso rough with the similarly functioning counterparts of head Arrangements exist. All this light grey pseudo neck without Gil suggestions holds greenish five-pointed star fish Arrangement tough muscular arms, four feet long and tapering from 7 inches diameter at vase to about 2.5 inches at point to each point is attached small end of a greenish five veined membrane. He's triangle Inches long and 6 inches wide at the farther end. This is the paddle thing or pseudo foot which has made prints in rocks from a thousand million to 50 or 60 million years old. From inner angles of starfish Arrangement project to foot reddish Tunes tapering from 3 inches diameter and race to one inch at the tip orifices at the tips all these parts infinitely tough and leathery, but extremely flexible. Forefoot arms with paddles undoubtedly used for Locomotion of some sort Murray. Otherwise when moved display suggestions of exaggerated muscularity as foul, all of these projections tightly folded over pseudo neck and of torso corresponding to projections at the other end. I cannot yet assign positively to animal or vegetable Kingdom but the odds now favorite animal probably represents incredibly Advanced evolution of her - shh without loss of certain primitive features that could move Derm resemblance has unmistakable despite local contradictory evidence has Wing structure puzzles in view probable Marine habitats, but may have You said water navigation symmetry is curiously vegetable like suggesting vegetables essentially up and down structure rather than animals fore and aft structure fabulously early date of evolution proceeding even simplest RK and protozoa hitherto known baffles all conjecture as to origin. complete specimens have such uncanny resemblance to certain creatures of Primal men that suggestion of ancient existence outside Antarctica becomes inevitable dire and Parvati have read never Nomicon and see me Clark Ashton Smith's nightmare paintings based on text and won't understand when I speak of Elder things supposed to have created all Earth life as Chest or mistake students have always thought conception formed from morbid imaginative treatment of very ancient tropical or Dasha also like prehistoric folklore things, like will Martha spoken of like Hulu Colts appendages Etc might be possible. Of a study of field has opened deposits probably of late Cretaceous or early while seeing period judging from Associated specimens, massive stalagmites to positive above them hard work hewing out but toughness prevented damage state of preservation miraculous evidently owing to Limestone action. No more found so far. Well resume search later job now to get 14 huge specimens to Camp without dogs the dogs barked furiously and can't be trusted near them with nine. Men three left to guard the dogs. We ought to manage the three sludges fairly. Well, even though the wind is bad. I must establish playing communication with Roberto sound. and begin shipping material I have to dissect one of these things before we take any rest. I wish I had a real laboratory here dire better. Kick himself for having tried stop by Westward trip first the world's greatest mountains. And then this if this last isn't the I spot in the Expedition, I don't know. What is we're made scientifically congrats by the holding of the drill that will open the cave. Now who are completely is repeat the description the sensations of ability and myself at received this report were almost Beyond description nor were our companions much behind us. It appears. He has a big Teague who had hastily translated a few spots as they came from the droning receiving. No doubt the entire message for the shorthand version. As soon as Lakes operator signed off all appreciative epoch-making significance of the discovery and I sent Lake congratulations. As soon as the Arkham's operator had repeated back the descriptive Parts as requested and my example was followed by Sherman from his station at the McMurdo sound Supply Cache. As well as by Captain Douglas of the Arkham later as head of the Expedition. I added some remarks to be relayed through the Arkham to the outside world. Of course rest was an absurd thought amidst all this excitement and my only wish was to get to Lakes Camp as quickly as I could. It disappointed me when he said the word but a rising Mountain Gail, they'd aerial travel impossible. But within an hour and a half interest again Rose to banish disappointments Lake was sending more messages and told of the completely successful transportation of the 14 great specimens to the camp the heart of all for the Things were surprisingly heavy but nine men had accomplished it very neatly. Now some of the party were hurriedly building a snow Corral at a safe distance from the camp to its the dogs could be robbed for greater convenience and feeding the specimens were laid out on the hard snow near the camp save for one on which lake is making crude attempts at the section this dissection seem to be a greater task than had been expected. For despite the heat of a gasoline stove in the newly raised laboratory to him be deceptively flexible tissues of the chosen specimen the powerful and intact on Lost nothing of their more than leathery toughness. Luke was puzzled as to how he might being the requisite incisions without violence destructive enough to have set all the structural niceties. He was looking for he had it is true seven more perfect specimens, but these were too few to use up recklessly unless the cave might yield Unlimited Supply. Accordingly he removed the specimen and dragged in one which will have any remnants of the starfish Arrangements at both ends was badly crushed and partly disrupted along one of the great torso for us. Results quickly reported over the wireless. We're baffling and provocative indeed nothing like delicacy or accuracy was possible with instruments hardly able to cut the anomalous tissue, but the little that was achieved left us all odd and bewildered existing biology would have to be holy revised for this thing was no product of any cell growth science knows about There had been scarcely any mineral replacement and despite an age perhaps 40 million years the internal organs were wholly intact the leathery on the tee reiative and almost indestructible quality was an inherent the tribute to the things form of organization and pertained to some cycle of in vertebrate Evolution utterly beyond our powers of speculation. At first all that Lake found was dry. But as the heated tend to produce thawing effect organic moisture of pungent and offensive odor was encountered toward the things but injured side, it was not blood but anything dark green fluid apparently answering the same Purpose By the time Lake reached the stage all 37 dogs. These have been brought to the still uncompleted Corral the other camp and even at that distance set up a Savage barking and show of restlessness at the accurate diffusive smell. Far from helping to place the strange entity this provisional dissection merely dependents mystery all guesses about its external members had been correct and only evidence of these one could hardly hesitate to call the thing animal but internal inspection that brought up so many vegetable evidences that Lake was left. Hopelessly at see it had digestion and circulation. And eliminated waste matter through the reddish tubes of its star fish shaped base one would say that it's respiratory apparatus handled oxygen rather than carbon dioxide and there were involved evidences of are storage chambers and methods of Shifting respiration from the external orifice to at least two other fully developed breathing systems gills and pores. Clearly it was at Vivian and probably adapted to Long heiress hibernation periods as well vocal organs seemed present in connection with the main respiratory system, but they presented anomalies Beyond immediate solution articulate speech in the sense of syllable utterance seemed barely conceivable, but musical piping notes covering a wide range or highly probable. The muscular system was almost preternaturally developed. The nervous system was so complex and highly developed as to leave Lake aghast though, excessively primitive in our cake and some respects. The thing had a set of gangly all centers and connectives arguing. The very extremes specialized development its five-lobed brain was surprisingly advanced. And there were signs of a sensory equipment served in part through the wiry Cilia of the head revolving factors alien to any other terrestrial organism probably had more than five senses so that it's habits could not be predicted from any existing analogy. It must like soft have been a creature of keen sensitiveness and delicately differentiated. Missions of its Primal World much like the ants and bees have today it reproduced like the vegetable crypto Gams, especially the Peridot fights having sport cases at the tips of the Wings and evidently developing with Alice or Pro thallus but to give it a name at this stage was mere Folly. It looks like a radiate. It was clearly something more it was Partly vegetable but a 3/4 of the essentials of animal structure, but it was Marine in origin. It's symmetrical contour and certain other attributes clearly indicated yet one could not be exact as to limit of its later adaptations the wings after all held the persistent suggestion of the aerial. How could it have undergone? It's tremendously complex of a Ocean on a newborn Earth in time to leave prints and RK and rocks. This was so far beyond conception as to make link whimsically recall the Primal movements of the old gods who filtered down from the stars and concocted Earth like as a joke for mistake and the wild Tales of cosmic Hills. So I'm outside told by folklorist colleague in miskatonic English Department. Naturally. He considered the possibility of the Precambrian friends having been made by a less evolved ancestor of the present specimens, but quickly rejected this to facil Theory fun considering the advanced structural qualities of the other fossils. If anything the later Contours show decadence Rather than higher Evolution the size of the pseudo beat had decreased and the whole morphology seemed coarsened and simplified or over the nerves and organs just examined how the singular suggestions of retrogression from form still more complex atrophied and vestigial parts were surprisingly prevalent all together. There could be said to have been and solve and Link bill back on mythology for a provisional name. He tapped his finds the Elder one at about 2:30 a.m. Having decided to postpone further work and get a little rest. He discovered the dissected organism with tarpaulin. He emerged from the laboratory 10th and studied the intact specimens with renewed interest the ceaseless Antarctic son had begun to limber up on their tissues a trifle. So that the head points and tombs of two or three showed signs on folding the leg did not believe there is any danger of immediate decomposition the almost Sub-Zero are he did however all of the UND I selected specimens closer together and throw a spare tent over them in order to keep off the direct solar rays. That would also help to keep their possible sent away from the dogs. Who's hostile unrest was really becoming a problem, even at their substantial distance behind the higher and higher snow walls, which were decreased quota of the men were hastening to raise around their quarters. He had to weigh down the corners of the tent cloth with heavy blocks of snow to hold it in place. Amidst the rising Gale for the Titan Mountain seemed about to deliver some Gravely severe blasts really apprehensions about sudden Aunt Arctic winds were revived and under Atwood supervision precautions were taken to bank. The new attends the new dog Corral and crude airplane shelters with snow. On the fountain Woodside these later shelters begun with hard snow blocks during odd moments were by no means as high as they should have been and like finally detached all answer mother tasks to work on them. It was after for would make it last prepared to sign off and advised us all to share. The rest period is outfit would take when the shelter walls or A little higher he held some friendly chat with Parvati over the either and repeated his praise of the really marvelous drills that helped him make his discovery. That would also said greetings and Praises again link a warm words of congratulation loading up the he was right about the Western trip, and we all agreed to get in touch by Wireless at 10:00 in the morning. If the Gale was then over Lake would send a plane for the party at my base just before retiring. I despatched a vital message to the are come with instructions about toning down. The day's news with the outside world. Some of the full details seemed radical enough to Rouse a wave of incredulity until further substantiated. And this my darling and the reading of chapter 2. Thank you for listening. I will see you soon for chapter 3 very sweet. It's creepy dream.

ASMR Reading You To Sleep: Soft spoken ASMR with thunderstorm in background. At the Mountains of Madness by H. P. Lovecraft, written in 1931. The tale was originally rejected by the magazine Weird Tales for publication, but was eventually published in 1936 when an editor picked up Lovecraft’s tale for Astounding Stories. The story takes place during September 1930 where a group of wary explorers find themselves in disastrous conditions during an expedition in Antarctica. Told from the perspective of Dr. William Dyer, the tale is reflective of Lovecraft’s fascination with the Antarctic continent and his unfulfilled desire for exploration. A special thank you to Kyle, @PostCubicleKyle on Twitter for recommending this story as our next Lovecraft read. Now sit back, close your eyes, and relax as I read HP Lovecraft’s At the Mountains of Madness to you. Tingles App: tingles.app.link/Tome-by-Tome-ASMR Podcast: www.anchor.fm/tome-by-tome-asmr YouTube: bit.ly/youtubeTomebyTomeASMR Twitter: twitter.com/PamMcElprang Sorrow of the Dragon Gods: amzn.to/2E6CT2v #lovecraftasmr #asmrreadingtoyou #softspokenreading --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Hello, my darling. I need to tell you about our sponsor anchor dot f m. Anchor is a podcast creation and distribution tool. And it gives you everything you need to record edit. Plus they'll distribute your podcast to all of the major channels including Spotify Apple podcasts and Google podcasts free of charge you can make money with no minimum listenership and it couldn't be easier. Download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot. F m-- to get started. Sweet dreams. Hello my darling and Welcome to our Valentine's special. I feel that horror stories tend to complement lovey-dovey holidays. So I have chosen the Vampire made by he is bent written in 1900. a relax Close your eyes. I did enjoy the rain. I read to you our Valentine's story. It was the exact kind of a boat that I had been looking for after weeks for I was in that condition of mind when absolute renunciation of society was a necessity. I have become dividend of myself. We read of my kind strange unrest within my blood for Behrend Earth in my brains. Familiar objects and faces had grown distasteful to me. I wanted to be alone. This is the mood which comes upon every sensitive and artistic mind when the possessor has been overworked or living too long in one room. It is Nature's hint for him to eat new pastures the size that a retreat has become beautiful. But he does not you he breaks down and becomes Whimsical I Ponder call as well as hypercritical. It is always a bad sign when a man becomes over critical. And censorious about his own other people's work. Let me be losing the vital force them to park freshness and enthusiasm. Before I arrived at the Dismal stage of criticism. I hastily packed up my knapsack and taking the train to Westmoreland. I began my Tramp in search of solitude bracing air and romantic surroundings. Many places I Came Upon during that early summer appeared to have almost the required conditions yet. Some petty drawback prevented me from deciding. Sometimes it was the scenery, but I did not take kindly to. Other places I became suddenly critical of the landlady or landlord. And I built I would have heard them before week was spent under their charge. Other places which might have suited me I could not have as they did not want the launcher fate was driving me to this Cottage on the Moor and no one can resist destiny. One day I found myself in a wide and pathless more clear to see I slept the night before and a small Hamlet, but that was already 8 miles in my lair. And he says I had turned my back upon it. I had not see any signs of humanity. I was alone with Fair skies above me the ball me whose own ill wind rolling over the Stony and ever glad mounds and nothing to disturb my meditations. I had provision of being young do not fear a Night Under the Stars. I was inhaling the delicious summer air and once more getting back the Vigor and happiness I had lost. It's my city dried brains were again. becoming juicy See, thus our after hours would passed me with the paces until I had covered about 15 miles since morning. All of a sudden they saw before me in the distance the solitary Stone built cottage for the roughly slated roof. I'll Camp here if possible. I said to myself and I could get my steps towards it. To one in search of a quiet free life. Nothing could have possibly been more suitable than this Cottage it stood on the edge of a lofty Cliff with its front door facing the more the backyard wall overlooking the ocean. Sound of dancing waves struck upon my ears like a lullaby. I drew closer how they would Thunder when you Autumn Gales came off in the sea birds fled shrieking to Shelter From. The said yes. The small garden spread in front surrounded by a dry stone wall just high enough for one to lean lazily. In this Garden was the flame of color Scarlet predominating with those other soft Shades that cultivated poppies take on in the blooming. This was all the garden grew. As I approached taking notice of this singular assortment of puppies and the only cleanliness of the windows. Front door open and a woman appeared impressed me at once favorably as she leisurely came along the bathroom to the gate and she Drew back as if to welcome me. She was a middle-aged and when young must have been remarkably good looking. She was tall and still shapely with smooth clear skin regular features the calm expression that it once gave me a sensation of rest. and peace to my inquiries. She said that she could give me both a sitting and bedroom and invited me inside to see them but I love to her smooth black hair and cool brown eyes. I felt that I would not be too particular about this accommodation with such a landlady. I was sure to find what I was after here. The room surpassed my expectations dainty white curtains bedding with perfume of lavender about them. A sitting room only yet cozy without being crowded with a sigh of infinite relief. I flung down my knapsack. clinched the bargain she was a widow with one daughter whom I did not see the first day as she was unwell and confined to her own room. But on the next day she was somewhat better and then we met. The fair was simple. It had sued me exactly where the time delicious milk and butter with homemade scones fresh eggs, and bacon after a hearty T. I went to bed in the condition of perfect content with my quarters. Get happy and tired. I was I was I had by no means a comfortable night. I put down to the strange bed. I slept certainly my sleep was filled with dreams so that I woke late and unrefreshed. The good walk on the Moor however restored me when I returned from the fine appetite for breakfast. Certain conditions of the mind with aggravating circumstances are required before even a young man can fall in love at first sight as we learned from Shakespeare in his Romeo and Juliet. In the city where many Fair bases past the every hour I had remained with a stoic. It knows smeared by into the cottage after that morning walk that I succumbed instantly to the weird charms of my landlady's daughter Adrian Brunel. She was somewhat better this morning and able to meet me at breakfast. We had our meals together. Well, I was there lodger. Adrian was not beautiful in the strictly classical sense. Her complexion was to lividly wife and our expression to set and quite Pleasant at First Sight yet. That's her mother had informed me. She had been ill for some time which accounted for that defect her features were not regular. Her hair and eyes seem to lack her skin to strange light her lips. Bar to read for any except a decadent harmonies of an ombre Beardsley. It my fantastic dreams of the preceding night with my morning walk and prepared me to be enthralled by this modern poster like England. The loneliness of the more with the singing of the ocean at gripped my heart the wistful longing. The incongruity of these wanting and evanescent poppy flowers dashing the guinea Tins in the face of the sobering touched me with the Shimmer as I approached the cottage and lastly that weird embodiment of startling contrast completed by subjugation. She Rose from her chair as her mother introduced her and smiled while she held out her hand. I class that fob Snowflake. And as I did so I thanked through tingle for me arrested when my heart. for a moment my heart stopped beating this contact seemed also to infected her as it did me Clear Flush like a white flame light it up her face. Began to Glow as if an alabaster lamps had been lit your black eyes became softer more humid or glances crossed multiple times. her Scarlet lips grew moist she was a living woman now while the floor she had seemed have a corpse. Is she permitted me her white slender hand to remain in my longer than most people do. Then she slowly withdrew it still regarding me with steadfast eyes for a second afterwards. fathomless velvety eyes these were It before they were shipped in her mind the appeared to have absorbed with my willpower and made me her abject slave your eyes looked like a deep dark pools of clear water. If they filled me with fire, and they deprived me of strength. I think into my chair almost languidly as I had risen for my bed that morning. And I made a good breakfast and although she hardly tasted anything this strange girl Rose much refreshed. It was a slight glow of color proved her so greatly that she appeared younger almost beautiful. I have come here seeking solitude. But since I had seen Adrienne it seemed as if I had come here for her and her alone. She was not very Lively indeed thinking back. I cannot recall any spontaneous remark of hers. She answered my questions by monosyllables and left me to lead in words. Yet she was insinuating and appeared to leave my thoughts in her Direction and she seemed to speak to me with her guys. I cannot describe her manually. I only know that from the first glance and touched she gave me I was Bewitched. And I can think of nothing else. It was a rapid distracting and devouring infatuation that possessed me all day long. I followed her about like a dog every night. I dreamed that white glowing face those steadfast black eyes was moist Scarlet lips and each morning I Rose more language when I had the day before. Sometimes I dreamt that she was kissing me with her red lips. And I shivered the contact for silky black dresses that they covered my throat. Sometimes I dream we were floating in the air her arms about me. Her long hair enveloping us both like an Inky Cloud mobile a to buy the helpless. She went with me after breakfast on that first day to the more and before we came back, I had spoken my love and received her Ascend. I held her in my arms and I'm taking her kisses and answer to my your did. I think it's strange that all this happened so quickly. She was mine. We're rather. I was hers without a pause. I told her it was fate, but it sent me to her. I had no doubts about my love. And she replied. But I had restored her to life. I didn't bond Adrian's advice and also from natural shyness. I did not inform her mother how quickly matters had progressed. Just yet, although we both acted circumspectly as possible. I had no doubt. Mrs. Bernal could see how engrossed we were in each other. I'm not unlike ostriches and their modes of concealment. I was not afraid of asking mrs. Fernell for her daughter. She already showed her partiality towards me and she had bestowed upon me some confidence has regarding your own position in life. Therefore I knew that so far as social position was concerned there could be no real objection to our marriage. They lived in this lonely spot for the sake of their health and they kept no servant because they could not get any to take service so far away from Humanity my coming have been opportunity and comment mother and daughter for the sake of decorum. However, I resolved to delay my confession for a week and you trust to some favorable opportunity of doing it discreetly. In time Adrienne and I passed our time in the thoroughly idle and Lotus eating style every night. I retired to bed with light meditation, but every morning I Rose language and from those disturbing dreams. With no thought for anything outside my love. She grew stronger every day. Well, I appear to be taking her place as the invalid and I was more frantically in love with her and never and Only Happy When with her she was my Lonestar my joy my life. We did not go great distances for I liked best in lie on the dry heat and then watch her glowing face for intense eyes, and I would listen to the searching of the distant waves. It was love maybe lady. I must my hands only Long's phone beside him. He's up to copy the domestic cat. Back and bask in the sunshine. I have been Enchanted quickly. But my disenchantment came is rapidly. Although it was long before the poison left my blood one night about a week after coming to the cottage had returned after a delicious Moonlight walk with Adrian and night was warm the moon at the fool and I had left my bedroom window open to let him little are there was I was more than usually tired with the strength enough to remove my boots and coat before I flung myself nearly on the coverlet. I had fallen almost instantly asleep without tasting The nightcap draft that was constantly placed on my table, which I had always drank thirstily. I had a ghastly dream that night. I thought I saw a monster back with the face and trusses of Adrienne would open window and fastened. It's white teeth and Scarlet lips the light arm. I tried to beat the horror away, but could not. I seem to chained down and thrall also The Drowsy Delight as the Beast sucked my blood with gruesome rapture. I looked out dreamily. It's all a line of dead bodies of young men lying on the floor each with a red mark on their arms on the same part where the vampire was then sucking mean. I remembered having seen in Wonderland such a mark on my own arm for this past full site. The Flash I understood the reason for my strange weakness and at the same moment the sudden growth of pain loves me am I dreaming pleasure? In her eagerness the vampire and bitten a little too deeply that night unaware that I had not tasted the drug draft. As I woke, I saw her fully revealed by the Midnight Moon her black Tresses flowing Loosely. Her red lips glued to my arm. If I shrink of a whore - true backward getting one last glimpse of Her Savage eyes were glowing white face, her blood stained red lips. I rushed out into the night Dawn by my fear and hatred and I did not pause in my mad flights until I had loved miles to remove that accursed Cottage. on the Moor the end Happy Valentine's Day my darling sweet creepy dream. Good night.

This audio is part of the #WeeklyASMR group that myself and many other amazing ASMRtists have created where we challenge ourselves to bring you a new video every week with a fun theme. This week's theme is Valentine's Day - and you can find all of the other ASMRtists at this playlist on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC3O-vwtak0dW_1S7aM3h_nnSzwrY00Kj For our Valentine’s Special, I thought it might be fun to read something a little darker. The Vampire Maid, by Hume Nisbet (1900) is a short story which tells the tale of a man seeking solitude in the moors. He comes across a cottage that is perfect and immediately falls in love with the landlady’s daughter, Adrienne. This I put down to the strange bed. I slept certainly, but my sleep was filled with dreams so that I woke late and unrefreshed; a good walk on the moor, however, restored me, and I returned with a fine appetite for breakfast. Certain conditions of mind, with aggravating circumstances, are required before even a young man can fall in love at first sight, as Shakespeare has shown in his Romeo and Juliet. In the city, where many fair faces passed me every hour, I had remained like a stoic, yet no sooner did I enter the cottage after that morning walk than I succumbed instantly before the weird charms of my landlady's daughter, Adrienne Brunnell. #valentinestory #vampirestory #happyvalentine #valentinehorror #softspokenasmr --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast.

Welcome to episode number 31 Old the Ricky Long podcast.welcome again, the regular podcast episode number 31 the normally we have a Philosophical reason for the choice of song to open a podcast not this time heard this song as I was driving home and thought I want to use that my next podcast made a note of my phone and then because it's a Korean song. Episode number 31 sponsored by Podium for sport Northern Ireland sports retailer of the year 2018. We specialize in commercial gym equipment home gym equipment and sports clothes for PE school children. This episode today is a guest interview with color roughly Claire is a great friend of mine both business personal we connected right about two years ago. When I myself moved to Scotland and around a year ago Claire moved to London or so five months ago. This episode is great way it goes in a number of different reactions to talk about clothes Journey High she trains her existing clients and how she's come to do that. Really really good high. Are you listen? If you're a fitness professional you're going to get a lot out of this in terms of having the balls having the direction to do something with yourself and your career. If you're not a fitness professional listen to it, you're going to hear a lot about what color does in terms of delivering self belief and confidence in the people whilst on their fitness journey. So it's all very well getting the aesthetic results. But if you still feel the same way at the end of that Journey then you did at the start of that Journey well, and it's no use to anyone. And close a big believer that it's what's inside the Conch, you know, it's clear referee real achievable female fitness. So without further Ado I will cut to the interview with roughly I met Cool. So 32 one and introducing to the podcast Clara Rafferty clure is a personal trainer Fitness entrepreneur. She is originally from Scotland and has not moved on to London to work in a gym called third space who are definitely Market leaders in the personal training and generally just how to run a commercial gym been great friends with Claire for a number of years. And I met through the world of Les Mills and group fitness and I am very very pleased to say she's a friend a colleague. And before I keep going on and reducing glare Rafferty. Hey, buddy. Hmm and hi everyone. And yeah and hi I'm Clara 34. I am from Scotland. That is correct. Yes you were right there and I'm from that little town called ear, which is so cute. And so not London. reset And about me I run and own a Fitness business predominantly, so my business is rough Fitness, which is real achievable female fitness. And basically I started this business up about three years ago. Now after I find six and a half nearly seven years and higher education, so I went to Sterling University to do an undergrad thought. Yeah. This is it. I'm going to be an academic because that's what people do. You get so involved don't you and then I got a scholarship to do a masters, which was an absolutely incredible opportunity and through that Masters. It was in gender studies and I worked with a lot of foreign athletes at the University doing strength and condition and coaching and coaching as head coach of the netball team and it was round about this time that I realized that I actually really enjoyed coaching and I really enjoyed that presence of working with people. On a one-to-one basis and being in front of people roughly around about this time as well that I went to Australia for a study abroad and when I'm going to see Leah I had just been told I had an underactive thyroid and I was really overweight pretty depressed pretty sluggish pretty awful and a really bad way and had been getting enough even worse. We so to speak for about 18 months. And so still Joachim is a blessing. In Disguise, I went out there and if anyone's ever been to show you'll know that it is all about fun outdoor activity Beach life loving it and I got thought into my fitness and I know there are only smells Duty in my drive my focus my goal my life. I woke up in the morning to go to body attack. May I have never ever taught body attack in my life, but that was the program. I was obsessed worse than they just loved everything about it. And I quickly feeling to body Palms RPM CX works and immediately started searching clubs back in Scotland. It taught that incredible same way as Mel's was there one in Scotland because I've never heard of it only to find out there's one on my doorstep and basically decided there and then that day that I was going to get a job at that health club because it was such an expensive membership and I was going to do whatever it took to work there so that I could attend the classes for free. And I came back from Australia to some really sad news. My mom had passed away and they had to come back early and I was a bit of a mess for a while, but I already applied for a job at this Health Center and it was again a blessing in disguise. Well that was kind of coping with my mom's passing. I went through an interview process for that club and got the job and became an absolutely smells. Groupie we back and my beginning of my fourth year at University. And from there. My love perfectionist absolutely escalated out of control what they said what to numerous health clubs ballantine's Peak for Community Trust. There's probably another of one there or pure Jam. I've worked for them and we have been around the industry quite a bit worked with lots of different people and got lots of different experience. And until I kind of landed on my feet and said I want to work with lemon. I want to do something beg to help women improve. The of confidence or training in our food and turned it into that Fitness that really achievable female fitness and from there. Well, yeah was just been growing and growing and there we live in London and we work for third space and never told crazy. That's why I'll I'll come to London on a second dude. There's so many things in there have been so for that for the listeners hear you obviously can't see this but clarinet. See each other just the way we would do these video calls and then I rip the audio later, but I'm frantically writing stuff down here at the same time. So many things that I want to flesh out just for people and I know one of the for a lot of the listeners on this a lot of our audience are going to be really really intrigued just about Les Mills kind of LED you into the fitness industry and that was in Australia. I guess they did. I'm already saying you said your first class as a participant was body attack. Yeah, so what was your first class as a was your first program as an instructor? And how did that go? It was bodypump. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody attacks. Basically what had happened was obviously came back and got the job and the health club and startling and they basically had said we've got someone going on maternity leave we need Saturday. Converse portability public class you seem really really Keen. I was working for the club at the time and they were very not we really think that is something you should do. You're so into it and I was just about like, oh I was a student I didn't care. I wanted to go to Fubar and I didn't want to have to learn choreography. I would like what but I went and I went on a module and Yeah, it was insane. It was worth Levi and Marcus. Well, just yeah just absolutely changed the game for me. I think I nearly cried on the second day during like that body pop challenge thing. My I was so vulnerable that whole weekend because I was a cocky little student who was like I'm doing this because I have to I was that person and and yes ruled out of that weekend like all my God. The best exercise like no thought and I'm going to become the best body pump instructor in the world. And how old were you when you did said module. Are you 21? Okay. Okay. That's young for do go through more dog trainer. Yeah, well screw so you did group fitness, and then the that lead you in towards one the one PT. Yeah, so I'm basically after that first Robyn Starling. I moved to a bun same Hill Club and obviously by maintain were very much. We need you to do your level to being swayed kind of with already had the ball rolling on that anyway, and and it was more client Demand by Montaine needed me to take on someone to one. So I just guest artists doing one to one because it was kind of Again part of the job description. More than I was like damn going to be a PT. It was more. I'm good. I'm here to be a paid bodypump CX for the combat instructor and I suppose I'll do PT if I have to. Okay, that's what I was your other way around. I was I'm going to be a PT in this gym and I resisted every push and shove the wars to do any sort of group exercise class. I've spoken about this before I spoke about this before many. T times on social media and on the podcast my first initial module training the Gen booked me on to it and it was against my will and I turned up I did the master class and you know that bet after the master class on a module where the trainer will say, you know, come back into the studio and five minutes. Thank you taken back by then come back and that that master trainer was hard Pearson, okay. He later turned out to be one of my on still is biggest influences. And especially when we come onto the Les Mills team so crazy isn't it annoying annoying? Obviously you have you've made that transition down to London. So tell me tell me how your business has kind of transition from that live wander 1pt space. This is a loaded question that live one the one Pt 2 online to why you're not in London. Go because otherwise, I won't even so how you've gone from Life Pt. 2 online TT and horror that has brought you to London. Okay. So from Life PT will start there because life p t for me was. After Bond and tines, where did I go? I was with folk Community Trust that was just too much trying to do my masters and travel to was about 45 minute drive to the club, but then I was teaching and for different clubs doing group X and my heart and soul was in group at which is very interesting for my possession right now, which we'll get onto and but yeah, so I basically made the call to stop personal training at Valentine's and doing the gym instructor saying in got Label to job as a gem instructor and are more local club which made it a lot easier have a cell culture strength and conditioning through University and I was coaching athletes Team level through University. So I didn't feel like I was missing out on the PT experience and that whole thing as much being a gym instructor. However, I was not. Okay anyone that does it you don't really like being a drum instructor. Let's just put that on the table. You are glorified cleaner. And that's what you do and it was tiring and it was horrendous and I just wasn't enjoying it because I was a good advice cleaner and when you did get a programmer and that was like the most exciting hour of your day, and that kind of Chef talde great. Okay. Well, I'm not I don't want to be a gold afraid cleaner. I want to be working one to one with people. I was experiencing that pleasure working one-to-one. And so when pure gem opened and stolen I just jumped The four feet kept my class is going with the trust and basically stained up to do their 15 hours a week in it many PCs as you can until you can go on read my last it was the last three months of my masters and I went from Canada in a part-time job and some classes to doing twenty three classes 60 hours and pure jam and finishing off our masters plus project. Netball University basically will pop it fuck. I basically woke up at 5 a.m. And went to bed at 11 o'clock at night seven days a week and had zero eight and and that escalated really quickly. I was getting quite anxious and I'd hold a healthy things are starting to take off and I was trying to burn the candle at both ends. And then none of your listeners probably know this, but I then had a really bad car accident and and I was falling asleep at the wheel and because I was so over tired and not let people know that I was literally falling asleep at the wheel and I've got heavyweight my eyes blank and I was on cruise control and I swear I lived and my cruise control didn't come off and I started laughing and it was at that moment. I was like something has to change because if I didn't let something change in that moment. I knew I was on a downward spiral so so for the next few months, I kept trying to tell myself I can to work and I was back and forward and back and forward and then I was this to see him losing my shit. So I reached out to a business Mentor Told Me Gently and reached out to him and I was like really I need to run this online thing because I need to to have time and my life to do life and to rest and to sleep and I felt this Burning connection and passion to working with more people and To get my message out there about having a good routine and looking after your body and having everything and measure a plea and I really wanted to start to help women who wear in that busy overwhelmed stressed out environment and really help them start to see that they could live healthy and happy and didn't have to burn themselves out to try to do everything and that slid and to that which then spiraled into the online and then from the online. Say I grew that for about a year and I was coming to a point where I just needed out of what I was loving. I think the car crash still had a lot of I was driving a lot of still driving to all the clubs and stuff. So just all sorts and get some sort of timeline here when so you come into the industry when you were 21, that's when you did Les Mills. Yeah. Yeah on your 26 night. Yeah, so when was this car crash in this period Of your life when you were you do use words that you've used that you were overworked and overtired. When was that? Yeah, so that was from August. I started August 2017. I started Imperium. And my master my Master's finished in the November 2017 and I had my car crash on December 17th, 2017. It was all still in the same. So I just finished my masters in the November and thought right this is that keep going with the work keep going with everything, but I was so burnt out by that point and I just couldn't see the word insane for myself. That was in December 2017 was where I can have hit bottom and then February 2018 was where I really started to make a change and a March. I started working with personal development business and since March 2018 until school year is just tenfold the things that have happened in the last year of just being a lot more. I know what I want in life and a lot more clarity and a lot more pushing me in the right direction and figuring all that stuff out so that I could then move forward and obviously June last year, I went to my first corporate event with my business manager and it was at that vein. I say by the next supercell Summit. I'm going to be living in London and that weekend. Everyone was like what and I was like, it's something I want to do. It's something I've always wanted to do. I need to get out of where I am where I am going to be back and by October 31st. I moved to London and the next event was November 8th. I just made it. And then yeah, that was always think that answers your question and that's just cause I have so many things that have frantically write down here. I'm just kind of Blown Away by that experience you had in 2017 because I knew about that. I just didn't know it was so recent like I've heard on the Grapevine and you know that yeah Correctional that but just me and my ignorant little bubble I assumed that was for five years. I didn't realize it's it's actually well. We definitely would have been aware of each other kind of known each other. That's great. And you were talking about obviously Tom a Tom. He's a great friend of mine and the superself summit so our there's a perfect time and actually for those that don't know Tommy and the sube sube the super self Summit. It's his self-made personal development event. It's for professionals as well. And literally Today the day of recording. He has just announced the next one. Yeah, so I'll maybe give them a free plug and put the details on that and I would recommend that to anyone. So at this at this event, you said you want you wanted to move to London? Yeah, right. I want to I want to test here because you're running you because I know when this was in your life, you were running a successful kind of group fitness business you were starting to do online stuff and they The beauty of idea and online stuff because I did too much everyone knows that is you don't actually need to be anywhere to run the online. Yeah. Yeah. So why did you say I've gone to love the for me it was about networking and about opening up opportunity and being closer to what's happening. So I had this huge vision of wanting to I still have this huge version and do watch I threw up. I have a huge vision of wanting to network with more people get more involved in whether it be through vlogging or whether it be through podcast and helping myself. and establish more solidified Network that helps more women and I felt like my life as it was and and Starling was just not what I wanted from life. I love to be in the Ceci. I hate Scottish weather. I hate the cold moving to London. It's not that much warmer, but Force meets for me, even that weather changes me such a huge difference to my mental and physical state overall and there's so many weeks. It's not learned is so fucking cold when I go home when I go home to Belfast. I'm instantly warmer so I completely Back you up on that like CC the Scottish listeners unless you're so much you so much more adapt your actually harder than me and every single sense of the word. The cold doesn't work. That's why every time you'll see me in Instagram stories. I have a scarf all yeah exactly Bible. I'm sitting here. This is my office hat. So again, no, it's survival is so cool. Yeah. Sorry. I interrupted your flow there just as you were saying you were. The London but yeah, I dislike for me. The long-term goal is to move to Ellie. So and my head I was like, I'm never going to move to Ellie loving in Starling and whether that's a logical step, whether that or whether that I don't know something that you know, I'm wanting something that's unrealistic or whatever and in terms of the chef to London, but for me and my head it made sense if I want to move to LA. I need to move to London Paris and I need to Through things from a business standpoint so that I can then move to Ellie. That was my clarity around why I was like wolves. I'm never going to move to London if I just keep working in Starling. Okay makes sense. How did you set your saddle know the things where I've got all these like massive quote Squat and round in my head and it's the back if you always do what you've always done. You'll always get what you've always got and it's yeah you had the make those big changes. Has in order to change what you're going to get you had to say. No, I'm not doing PT anymore because I need to go and do group fitness. He said I'm not doing group fitness anymore because I'm going back to PT say I'm only going to grow if I move to London. I think I think that's great. It's a real sense of real sense of awareness and in yourself your off often. We can't see ourselves. You kind of get stuck in this bubble and it sometimes takes a big Event. Yeah the realize and it's different forms for different people. Obviously your stands out with you know a car crash which is a big enough event in anyone's life. Never mind, you know, all the other stuff that you will have been through with it with your mom and that's so like I think it's fantastic what you do? So like tell me about London. What's the best thing about working in London? What's the worst thing? About working in London and tell us a bit about what what your work is and love them. So I love I do love London. Although it's a funny way to say. I love London, but I've barely been off the island. And so I think you need a war or I love dogs, which is its own little island in London. And I think I've been out of this area maybe six or seven times though, and this is me on my my goodness for sale in March. So I'm just coming to the next month or even here. and yeah barely get off the island start space if I'm being perfectly honest, but it's just a completely different vibe and it suggests a completely different way of living and I just think for me the base things have just been able to I know you can go and go for walks and Scotland and you can go through all these different things. But for me, I was never really an outdoorsy person. I'm more of a sexy person. So I love going for a walk in this SE and I love just going and just against a guy did you seriously right now? I'm just waiting on the ground. By and what was this is London team. What? Why did I move here? What do I like? Yes, I'll be no real just wait you went for the heat? Yeah. I just love the vibe and the different people and it's everybody used so much more dedicated. So I was chatting to friends yesterday. And I was like, you know, she talking about struggles and not feeling the best head space right now, and I was like, honestly I said common stay with me for the weekend and I can guarantee everything about you chef. Like I walk into work and people are just so much aware so much more aware. Everyone's like doing their education. Everyone's writing posts on Instagram everyone getting involved in the hospital and the work and the vibe like it's not to see that people don't work hard everybody else, but you're just so much more aware of how hard people work in London because it is such a high cost of living and as such a hostile place. I'm right in the center or business and London, I mean Community Wharf Gem has 8,000 members and we've got 45 personal trainers. We have the biggest best group exercise and London, but I'm in the middle of transitioning and do which is the most exciting thing ever for me because these classes are insane. I can't even live got their own deems it got their own design. It's all good teachers and it's just a completely different vibe and everyone they are. Feeding off each other and they're hungry and they're positive and as messed up positivity so much when I go back home everyone school- and down and want their lives to change and not happy in their day-to-day job and the source tab are overweight. And so sad that the way their shit cosmologists wearing and trade War. You know, what is the bar two o'clock in the afternoon? And there you see the most that note stayed with her drapes and their shell and then they go back to the office and it's just different just aspirin. I love that. I love that. I want to do that. Just that last part daytime drinking. Yeah, and so you mentioned there about third space specifically about their group exercise product. What's going on? I can't I still feel I can't explain it. Just insane and they've got their own concept which are pretty awesome. They've got a lot of kind of circuits. They are based classes. So they kind of split up into sections. So it's like strength and conditioning Reagan athletic. Oh and I want to see mind and body as far doesn't it? You either know mind of yoga are you don't know your guy don't know what by that think that's all there's just lots of different concepts coming through and through - it did I'm really yucky the really yucky. There we go. And really lucky that the club I work in has just launched the yard, which the yard is. I can't explain. It's a huge rate huge rate training facility and that we do circuits in a Saturday morning and there's about 80 members and Authority morning smashing it work out even a Sunday morning III member smashing. It'll work out and it's like Well bakes box jump squat bar peas, you know rowing machines battle ropes, every piece of hammer walks with logs log clean and presses like you name it. They've got an exercise in there and it's just yeah, it's just different fresh. Yeah, that's good. That's good. And I tell me so kind of back the back to your business right now your online business what? I've got to be honest with you. I don't know how long this has been kind of displayed on your social media, but around like two months ago. I was on your Instagram and I saw real achievable female fitness. Yeah, it was like that's rough Realty radians. So apologies for that. But is it? All right. Who do you work with? And what do you do? Like who's your a I was talked about this with my business clients is who is your avatar? Who is the person you want to work with and always say if you come to Ricky long and ask Ricky, I want to do bodybuilding and put myself through a fitness was a kill. I'm like, that's awesome goals. I can't do that for you. I do not do that Ricky. I want to go and compete in the CrossFit Games and me as him. Enjoying a CrossFit gym. Don't call me get off me. So what is it? What's your thing? So this is where again it's interesting. So my thing my mean bucket of clients, shall we see? He's your average run down stressed person. So I definitely tend tend to attract a lot of mid 20s to early forties that kind of my range. They're predominantly women I work with and it came to be women who are trapped in our Mainstay of they don't have time to they can't they're not able to and the Never well and I put on the work with those women to show them that you do have time to exercise you do have time to eat well, and we look a lot at making set and transforming their relationships with themselves around training and food. So my ideal, you know my ideal client. So to speak is just that person who is sex ed up of feeling burnt out and feeling like they're never getting anywhere and the routine and that there's no light at the end of the tunnel whether that be through a high to high stress to your job, whether that be being a parent whether that's a combination of both whether that I've worked on with a quite a few students actually lately because in London, obviously everything doc skill rate. So there's a lot of students here that are in really high in degrees. And working more than a full-time job. So that's why my range is quite full but it tends to just be showing people that you can achieve a body that you want and you can receive that body composition transformation West all of that other shit going on if you want it bad enough and that it's almost a reflection of me because I do work a crazy amount of hours. I am probably quite obsessive with my help with business competing with wbff. I've got my sherwani So there is you know why I'm at that tall pained of training and life and trying to function and I came to work with women who are goal is Tina's almost irrelevant. It's more proving to them that they can and that goal goal maintains that attend tends to end up being a photo shoot or stage prep or a significant amount of weight loss and muscle gain and whether that be a Again for weddings or just life? But yeah, it's just more about the whole package. I work with and I sell no. Ask her ask her and so tell me I've seen a lot of your work and a lot of your clients and success stories. All social media kind of leads me to two questions. So what is I was actually with your photographer guy Tony last week didn't ya doing some work for another one of my clients? So what would you say is like, you're maybe not necessarily your biggest success story as and these are The best ever results but like what grit kind of Journeys spring to mind that you've worked with clients or so the great Journeys I have listening. So we've got a couple who I've worked with them for quite a long time and they will 100% less than the rest. So they will know it's a mistake in that their license do that and and we basically took them on an incredible journey and getting them ready for their wedding which was something it's screw from a coach's perspective to work with someone for that length of time when they've got a baby coming up, but it was also I mean, they're no really good friends and but it was their ability to fall in love with training and you know, two people who were the going to the pub a lot had no intentions to eat healthy and never exercised at all and their life to know being prey. Conscious Health aware really experimenting with food and just that whole lifestyle change that they had that they've no brought into their marriage life and it's never a lifestyle that they are taking forward and there's something really amazing and quite powerful about that being part of that Journey that was just an incredible transformation for them from a kind of mental and physical perspective, but also doing our whole life perspective, and I'm now obviously I work with them or no. I actually in terms of life coaching more than anything just bought our quite stressful jobs and it's no very much changed, but we still work together and it's just interesting to watch those relationships changing those things become even greater success more stories. I think the photoshoot experiences are every single person that's ever done. One of them has went on an incredible transformation. The run two separate photo shoots now and I've got my third one on me fast. Okay. So before you go on tell me about the photo shoot. So how does it work if I'm saying wrath I want to pick on and do a photo shoot. I'm like by the way. Yeah, I would love that. What am I picking on to? What's the process? What's the promise? How many people do it? Except Etc? Yeah, so basically I can have up to 10 in a group and so I try to just run one group of time and works that you apply to me to see here, ah, I'm really interested and basically the concept of it is is you take you from where you are now to help you look think and feel your ultimate self so that you can stand with the smile on your face and front of 20 Thompson's and feel incredible about you So it's more. Yes, we want to get you and the base condition and the baseball decomposition that you've ever been on but for that to happen in the 16 weeks we have to say it weekly goals and weekly limit limits and there's a whole structure that's taken me a long time to get right in terms of how we diet in terms of bending maintenance and calorie deficits and percentage of deficits and exercise Victor. Bertie and there's there's quite a lot of high demand on the people towards the end of the 16 weeks of want my is a really tough experience, but it's about showing you that you can do anything and what I'd everyone to do at the very start of whether it be my 16 weeks or even my six weeks as I get them to set a goal and make one Mingle for that 16 weeks and we basically measure that every week by whatever measure that you know, they want whether that's a I want to lose to Stone and texting weeks or I want to be able to wait a bikini about photoshoot in 16 weeks or yeah, of course actually read the kidney. I've got a top for you and and yeah, we just we just piece it together week on week they work as a team. So we have group calls you have group coaching calls the or get to know each other obviously when they do the shoot they do it together and and we just spend some time teaching them as much as we can. Can about nutrition about training and about energy balance and about Stress Management Suite management all the things that I myself have done time and time again and another contest prep, but also things that I find them doing time and time again was quite who want that body composition transformation and just don't believe they can get it because their lives are so busy and it's not something they would ever be able to achieve. Which is why it's all about helping them achieve it. What what stands out about what you do? And there's this is why I think this is why you and I have always connected quite well is because when you when you read through the noise of client results, so that the noise is the before and after picture like yeah. Oh God. I'm not saying it's easy, but I'm saying that process is pretty simple, you know going their calorie deficit trillion be pretty miserable for about 20 30 40 weeks, whatever it might be like It's not difficult to prescribe. What makes it special is the things that you said is that journey is a processes the relationship with food training body confidence. That's what the statute whenever any of your social media posts that you do any client testimonials that have read Because you see all these all these people and I don't mean that there's the come across negative but you see these new pts coming on the scene and there before and after picture is literally here's Jan was 20 stone. It weeks later. She's 12 stone and you know commentary in with me. That's the next part of that option and it's kind of like well, alright great. Well done what's actually happened to make this happened? Tell me how Joanna feels no because GM could be jams obviously fictional here, but um could be completely absolutely miserable and dangerously underweight and a whole host of okay, so that's what stands out with your journey so you You've got another photo shoot plan starting soon. Yeah, so we basically the start to get finishes up on me Fest. We've got a full to should be and so that will be really exciting and then the next Auto shoot wuntch is you're going to ask me a d and only to give you the D if you do footnotes and the next one the next one launch is so after make sure that the about two weeks after its betting week in June. Okay next record. I think it's I think it's in for the 12th of June is the start date on the deck and the next one for this year. And if any of my listeners wanted to do that, where would be the best place for them to find that information to apply yet? So it's on the website is www.crossfitaustin.com online and there's there's a photo shoot and you can actually submit an inquiry for the photoshoot just now so that when the tickets go on sale for it I can email. Directly Force than you'll be the first to get up and go so that's alive. No, that's like yeah, that's why on our body plywood applies himself. I'm doing it like to apply for and I just I just want to touch on social media because I've had this group I've wrote this question dying. I've wrote I've written this question down at the start good job. My mom doesn't live in the forecast. I put this question down on the paper in front of me. Literally as soon as we started talking and it's about putting yourself like in social media. Yes, and the reason why I wanted the ask that question has probably changed about 300 times since we started speaking but it's just the said you put yourself on social media. Really really. Well you have done consistently I talked about you like you show up the social media every single day you have done for the whole time. I've known you. So what? What's the benefits of that what kind of systems do you adopt to do that? So what are the benefits of all of the systems? Is that what you just asked? Yeah, yeah benefits of usually, yes you benefit to using social media to connect with your clients. I don't think it's real when it's authentic and for me, it's I use social media as a way to see it's not almost like a helium over here, but it's more of our he I'm over here and I'm actually telling you some real fucking good information that a lot of people are bullshitting you on and social media actually makes me angry 90% of the time and I think my posting and my yeah the stuff. produce in the connection I have with the people on it is it almost comes from a place of trying to stop people fallen into that trap and pulling into that rabbit hole of misinformation by the information by in a really bad diet buying a horrendous meal plan investing money in a coach who's just going to patch them all and there's so much the market is saturated, but it's not very competitive and I don't want to be one of those shouty trying to be competitive people. But I also try to get a message across that says the stuff I'm seeing actually really works and I've been doing it now then what four years and we get results we get results came into him again, but you know the results that we actually get the people they'll got them for years later and you know, like the story of the carpool. They've completely changed their life everything about them and it's not just about the Jen. She's lost specimen a we and it weeks it's about getting that message clear that this is more of a long-term lifestyle change and it's about trying to reiterate that it's something much more and much bigger than Second click beep boost effect so you don't know this but in one of my presentations, I agree with everything you said but one of the presentations are you I use for my online trainer Workshop seminars and the business seminars is it's about how to give value and social media. Yeah, and I use a actual post of yours. That is yeah it is it's from a while ago on. About three four months ago and it's you on your journey of barbell. Hip thrusts towards 200k. Yeah, buddy. Yeah. Have you broken that? 200k Mark? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah well, but we broke it in Brooklyn this slide you have not broken that so you're in 204 ladies and gents that is the law of overload that's consistently doing the same thing and getting tiny incremental improvements. Which lead to extraordinary results so 204 I think this picture I have like I said, it's a picture. It's a video you've put up. I'm rambling video. We've put up. It's obviously a screenshot of Taken and I have it in two slides and a reveal. So there's one picture and I just ask the people in the room. What do you think the caption all of this should be if it was you in this picture? Yeah, I just see people in the room and say a hundred and fifty K hip thrust. Training my glutes something like that new PB and that's kind of the answers people get and I'm just like I often hold themselves back, but it's often that that's bullshit. That is a bullshit caption the put on top of that and then I reveal your actual caption and this particular one is a frustration of yours how you'd been lifting you were a little bit weaker not my weaker weaker as then I can look there's much honey, honey. I can't lift as much this week and then you talk about hi. That's okay because these things happen blah blah blah and its really really good value post and that changes a lot of people's perspectives and that's perspectives about using social media because it's given value. Yeah. That's what you do consistently. Well on all your social media platforms. I obviously like I spent a lot of time and a lot of energy of learning how to write your captions. Obviously. My my undergrad was English someone media and you wouldn't know that looking at me. You wouldn't know that people like you have a degree in English and I'm like, I have a degree in English. Alright, and So now I spot a actually it is more and marketing and fill rate in a caption than good English and I had to do a lot of understanding sales and marketing to get to that place where you know, there's a system. I know try to follow and supplies part system. I don't know if I should tell you is that something people want to know about? Well, it depends if you're trying to get me to big old your bikini. It's great having if you tell me or system. I might know what Yeah. No I said so the with the caption stuff and it's more you you know, you present people with a belief that they have and then you give them thoughts and then you get them feeling but then you give them action and then you give them the results and I try to you know structure on my porch like that. So your caption is your who kills them in and then I backed up with the belief that they have about themselves and then I give them do you think? How does this make you feel? Does that make you feel like they're trying, you know, word it definitely using some of my English experience and then give them that action to improve and then give them the result of seafood and it's just a really simple way to just try and process when you're writing a caption and just try and keep check in your head that you're doing the right thing and that you're actually providing value and not just He would give me yeah, well Vault back there like revolving. That's hardly started. You know me. Yeah, I'll be there. So what we're going to do now is I have a series of questions. I'm going to ask you and then I'm going to ask you specifically about your nutrition Hub, which we have stayed very quiet effect for so long. Oh, I know so on the ground this morning, I shared some question box about what I should ask. On this podcast. It's okay. Got some good questions with terrible English our grammar and your Soulful stops and commerce. Okay. This one is from Lindsay. Not not my Lindsay and it is what are your top tips to increase body pump weights as a female. Whoo. Now you question. Question and are we talking and structure are we talking class participants? This person is an instructor the artists outside because I think that comes from lessening and the gem more than actually in the Body Pump class itself and calm and get and you yeah, and even like what I would sometimes do at the end of a leg day is I was going to squat rack and do the latest body contract was just a freaking ridiculous weight on my back like 35 40 kilos and just Try and see if I can make it to the end of the track. And if I made it to the end of the track so next week, I'll put 25 or more bar. That is a Howard Pearson special. Okay. Yeah. That is that that's what he always with the I don't know whether you've got it from him. But that's his that's his I would agree with Clara is get yourself into the gym into the squat rack I do. Do the sea and big lifts that you doing body pump? Just stick to like five reps. I just go stupidly begging comparison your body pump weights. The next one is I've just put two and two together on this next question. So it's it's a mighty got your new client. So if I get you new client here, this would be really good if you defecate on the 60 weeks, it's from somebody called Tom and it's do you treated with meal clients? Yes, I do. I have 1 2 3 Min 3 me while trying to be men. Maybe only two but definitely definitely to do not the fault of shirt, which is really excited. And then I actually have quite a large new client business in both business. And so I've started again it's a difficult one because I advertise for women. So then a lot of me and start to work with me and they almost get all I see you're a female called should do you actually work with me and I'm like, yeah, so I'd see body the body and you can kind of manipulate most factors, but yes. With name hmm But it Finds Its the next challenge. Sometimes this question is to us both it's from Michelle and it's what podcasts do you listen to? Oh I have less and so from our business perspective. I like the Anjali shal Amanda Bucci radio my goodness. I've just forgotten his name. I got all the time when it comes to people ask for forgiveness of the recommendations is loose loose house. Yes, because yet and obviously your mind got Ed, although I'm starting to get put off by have no because I don't like your topics as much. And then Fitness I listened to muscle physique radio man pong a lot of stress not a lot of been pukowski stuff like that. So yeah, I listen to a lot of podcasts what you owe me. Who do I listen to Brian Kane podcast a lot of Brands podcasts. I'm really into the back catalog right now you of your Reuben. Oh, I've been licensed you're all going to lat. Yeah, but I'm not sure if I have one podcast every single person here has to go in lesson 2. It's a David gergen on Joe Rogan go and let's go and listen to David goggin podcast on Joe Rogan and you will you'll never be confused about the word motivation again. You met your never Be hard done by by Your Den and if you ever feel anything, you'll be like that you can freken do anything like it is the most powerful hour and a half of my life that I've listened to this year. I think I'm going to be three times. You've got a lot of good ones coming out but that David gergen ones is just all over. Yeah. I love Joe Rogan podcast because he's so generalist and random with his guess. It's kind of like he is I describe me. He's The Graham Norton. Of podcast he can get under prevent anyone you could have a fitness expert then a business Expert then an expert in Zoology. Then an expert in public speaking of I just incredible. I think he's done like 12 only 1200 or is it twelve thousand ridiculous number episodes? Yeah. Like he's he's he's a dummy and the last I believe it's the last question. No, when I first saw this is from somebody called Steph. Do you have any close friends called Steph? Hmm? No, because I don't know who this is that like they don't follow me and social media and I don't follow them. But the question and I was wondering is that after you shared my Instagram that this question come up? Claire what are your thoughts on fat burners before holidays? Ha ha ha die earlier the higher earner. I like that as soon as so this is sort of said that's that's a trigger question. That's a trigger question was like week we could spend either and or offending people with our answer or a minute offending people with our answers. Just fuck off Diana. Yes. Don't spend your money on that and just be see if it wasn't clear all your thoughts of hop artist. Holidays people can't see those around 9:00. I can tell you're starting to sweat you've been triggered. So what the van before his come on, right? Okay. So some quick quick quick fire questions, okay to finish up. I think we're coming up there by the 60-minute mark know which is great. So you can only train with one of these for the rest of your life. You have to choose. Okay, dumbbells or barbells? dumbass kettlebells or TRX? Oh, okay. Well mad balls or resistance machines cool song or suppose. Yeah. So inadvertent commas is a middle word in the sentence. Let's not go into that conversation too much. But what is your favorite cheat meal if Jeep made was an actual the what is your go to heat up? Short and sweet. I can't wait for a piece of knows what weird Obsession do you have right now like anything outside the world of Fitness weird obsession is a bad that I don't drink a lot of coffee. Like I don't have any don't have any so I'm going through this I've read actually said but my weird obsession is my weird obsession is the jewel Rogan podcast where I'm just cause I'm scrolling back. I'm scrolling back a years to find. Yeah, somebody like a listen. Listen the one a Brian Cox one from like 2014, which I'm just glad all that right now previously have been totally obsessed with reading just about every blog post possible on social media algorithms. See you mate until 5:00. It's not exactly a healthy one. I let actually set all day. No, not all the pathology I would do stuff but I probably set from about 8 o'clock. So about half past 9:00 at night talking all wbff pro tools. Just looking at their bodies on show day and looking at there posing and then she saving they're posing like I must be like impact. From like four years ago for some people and like like in and Steven attacks and I'm like, they're good at the gym and trying all these Miracles has some link is actually go to this to yourself and say we think so much my time right now. Look at that point the start of go but I don't even know what to do like a pointless exercise. What do you have any and what are there any secret apps on your phone that you see Or by the art social media always give the example. I have this it's a CrossFit up but it's called smartwatt that I use for workouts. And so do many apps which you swerve on your phone. You could not live without that isn't I put this problem? That's right. Oh my God, I'm looking I'm looking at the night all I had space in cab I can't live without them. Okay, so go to bed. So Jesus peace and calm are both meditation up right and so there I mean like car because it actually reads you Bedtime Stories and they did just say that out loud unemployed guy. All right. I'm not judging not surgeon and when I get more into crap, I'm not obviously proper and yet but give me another. So weak and I'll use Elite HRV and I basically use that just to track my sleep and it gives you like a monitor from red to Amber to green and your part isn't this taking your some basic nervous system and it kind of track that in terms of exercise and should you be training today can overhear CNAs rested enough just as I go deeper in the Press, I'll definitely use that religiously. Our second-to-last main question is what's next for Claire referee tell me about the nutrition hub. So you start to have them drop tomorrow. Who and basically yes, it was obviously spoke a lot about the Staffing take the people that I work with in my experience over the years and their forecasts and the common issue that I have time and time again, whether it be with a 22 year olds or whether it be with a 56 year old is that the don't understand what they should be eating. It's as simple as Daily I get questions of can I eat this? Should I eat this am I going to go to hell because of it there should I start again? Because I've tried this and there's just this constant pressure then around what they should be eating and then obviously they're constantly being fed. These mesh. She's on social media that I said, I'd get quite angry with a lot of the stuff that's out there and there's so many people that you know that our support and keto vegan low-fat high-carb. Whatever you want to say too much protein is going to do that to you too much of that is going to do this year. Everyone's going to get diabetic and and I get that we have a really huge Health concern in the UK around it. But nutrition is simple and the whole point of the nutrition Hub is to just make it even simpler. So I put together some education videos that basically tell you what the Harbour is and how it's going to change your life and if you Investing time effort and energy into it and then we've got some myth-busting. So I've got about a 60 Minute education video there which basically takes every concept or every Fitness bullshit. Then you've heard and gives you a little bit of signs behind with actually comes from and a little bit of education and to what that actually means. So should you do enter mapping fasting? Well, here is what it is. You're struggling text. Why does protein matter, you know, all these sorts of things and we go through all of that. And then this is the Hub itself gives you set interchangeable your plans and across the Sexes meal plans were being strong 1,300 calories a day because I am very well. We are some people are eating 1300 calories a day and it leads right up to UK government gave length of two thousand and with hired he's and there that can show you how to program the intrinsic cetera and it takes you through Event attendees and then it's also cool who recipe section was videos that don't all have markers so that you can learn how to track food yourself and you can learn how to understand Boot and then there's lots of recipes there that do have macros in the every serving sizes and Portion sizes and fat and carbs Etc. And and then I have a bonus for this farce 10d feel I'm giving away nine extra education videos that are named bed. Viewers that basically cover everything else and a lot more debt. And so that people don't need to look anywhere else that information is they are you visit the understand that they do it their own, please you don't order meal plan with all the were basically the just get on top of their nutrition and education and understand that food is not the enemy and you can enjoy foods and you can actually lose weight. So you're pretty healthy. And when I've been frantically writing down questions and as you kind of went through you were answering them. So just kind of in a nutshell. Who is it for it's again as far as it was for my the women and the real achievable female fitness community and it's for those women that want to look think and feel their ultimate self by taking control of their nutrition. So if that's you you're in a place where you've tried advice Diet, you've tried a detox. You want to lose weight. Go on holiday. You've been fed Bill share information your SEC of not having a clue what to eat your aesthetic of not understanding. What's good. What's bad and what's classified as healthy. It's for you. Perfect and When did you say that is life March 29, which is tomorrow, which is works with the time recording. This is Thursday the 28th the time this podcast goes. All right, we'll probably be Friday nights or this has been live from the morning. So it will probably be the tournament That's goes live. So how do people apply and buy so if you're on my email list and you can join my email list via my Instagram click and get Instagram account and you will get an email of the link to directly to the website to the page to share with you the video that explains what then the Hub and gives you some end date. If not, you will need to visit my website. And www dot roughness got online and there's going to be a link that goes like to more than one the me one page that will take you straight to the interaction Hub and again to show you what it always and there's about there's lots of information there that people are reluctant. Is it right for them? There's all the information there so that they can read through and make that decision for themselves. If they are ready to make some change to clarify if people buy noise they get what is the bonus? So they're getting nine extra education videos and they're saving a hundred pounds of to buy in the next 10 days on they can find that out on rough fatness.com. Yeah, perfect everybody. Okay, I'll put them in the show notes. I'm people can get involved and fall you through that. So it's good. I really like to sign up but I'm sitting here thinking I need to add that the job. I need to add that job. That's why I'm certain I've got no clue. name Well, yeah, maybe we'll we'll hang up right after this call. And then our last question. I always ask people this and this the answer to this changes constantly it changes in your liking are you feeling today is going to be different to how you feel tomorrow compared to Five Ten Years, whatever it is. So on this doesn't have to be really really philosophical and life-changing. Yeah, what would you tell your 20? her old self I was 20. t-that interesting thing for me, but I finally found furnace rate and What would I tell her I would tell her to love a little more have a little more fun and no be so fixated on the stress of the human. Oh, so I just, you know, I had my Android to say toys and I just thought this is that the world was going to end if I don't get my shit together right now and then I put so much stress and pressure on myself. And I think that was the don't the beginning of our So I just probably tell myself to have a little more fun. Try not to be so serious and things'll work out. You know, you're an intelligent girl things'll work out. Yeah profit. Well, I have really enjoyed this on so many levels from a professional point of view because I think the content has been really really valuable and just from the personal point of view. It's been nice to catch up. I mean pardon Yeah, so we will go I will put well of a quick chat afterwards, but I will put all your details in the show notes at the bottom and bottom. What is your Instagram handle because that's probably the first place people will go to find you. It's clear underscore Roth Fitness. That's awesome. Well, thank you very very much for doing the Ricky Long podcast be fine right here. Thank you. You boy. Massive thanks to you for listening to this massive. Thanks to Clara for coming on and doing the podcast. This episode is sponsored by putting for sport Northern Ireland sports retailer the year 2018 specialize in commercial gym equipment Home Gyms and School PE uniforms for all types of sports a quick one just before I go I am currently interviewing for the next Mastermind program. So my Fitness business Mastermind is all about taking existing pts and developing their business with business development personal development, and we run it for it to six months process. It runs out of Village Edinborough Hotel Round Table. I have just three seats remaining at the table do too. The current ones who have already booked Dawn they were on the waiting list for the last one. So they get first refusal. This is Mastermind going live for application. So you'll see the buttons and you'll see me talking about this on social media and on the website rinaldin.com. If you want to do something different with your Fitness business, if you're frustrated, if you're not getting the results you want either from a delivery point of view and operational point of view with your clients or from a financial point of view. With high much you're earning or rather not learning. Then you need to have a look at my website or on the Mastermind page Ricky long.com for The Mastermind section. You can find out how we take you from personal development into business development. So as you serve your clients the way they deserve to be served and you're paired the amount you deserve to be paired some of my greatest results with my business clients come from just that simple tweak. Think of how you speak and how you did with your clients and that helps you with your own self developments self-confidence. So as you can then charge and earn what you deserve to be on, you know, if you're frustrated, are you working in your business instead of on your business? What would happen if you as a PT stop working today? Would you still be paired this time next week this time next month this time of three months at the answers know that any of those questions. There's a fundamental problem in your business and I'm here and you're can come on The Mastermind and learn how to leverage your income to serve more people at an even better value than what you're doing right now. Application form on the website regularly.com one of the masterminds section. 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#31 Clare Rafferty - Real Achievable Female Fitness  Every now and then people come into your life that just impress you. Clare is one of those people for me. To say Clare has had her barriers to overcome is an understatement. Everything from illness, car accidents and losing her parents at a young age. Clare now dedicates her work to helping people through a fitness journey. The value is not the end result, it is how you feel on the journey. Clare is an expert in Fitness for Women. From Ayr she is now based and working out of one of the best PT facilities in London - Third Space. She is best known for putting her clients through journeys toward photoshoots and physique modelling. Whilst it's the aesthetic looks that get the headlines it's the confidence inspiration that makes Clare a really special PT. She gives her female clients the empowerment needed to succeed in the gym and in their personal & professional lives. In this episode we chat  fat loss,  training techniques,  PT skills,  PT mindset,  Social Media use,  Client success stories Moving to Australia Moving to London Clare's professional journey ---------- Clare has 2 fantastic fitness based product services I can share with you: ONE / NEXT PHOTOSHOOT: June 9th kicks off. 16 Week body transformation photoshoot experience. - Group and 1-2-1 online coaching - Macros (meal templates) - Training plan and guide - Weekly check ins - Full photoshoot day - 5 Edited images - Mindset and motivation education throughout Register interest via: https://www.raffitness.online/photoshoot TWO / BRAND NEW NUTRITION HUB LAUNCH MARCH 29th 2019 Real Achievable Female Fitness Nutrition Hub goes live. 10 DAYS ONLY sale price £49.99 (RRP £149) PLUS Bonus 9 education videos. https://www.raffitness.online/nutrition-hub  Included:  - 3 in depth education videos: using the hub, The ‘Basics’ and ‘yes, iifym you can eat it, MYTH BUSTING’. - 1300-2000kcal meal plans - 50+ recipes and videos - Facebook community  You can follow Clare on Instagram @clare_raffitness ----------- Ricky Long Fitness Business Mastermind Application 2019   ----------- This episode is sponsored by podium4sport who are a Northern Irelands sports retail shop of the year 2018. They are based in Belfast and specialise in …………… Right now you can check out their brand new website at www.podium4sport.com we specialise in sports and fitness clothing and equipment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the 90th minute. We are your hosts myself. Liam was Lucas Greg. If you're new to the podcast, make sure you are subscribe. If you're on YouTube hit that Bell notification hit like comment down below follow along on Spotify Instagram Facebook Twitter Tick Tock or Tick-Tock. Famous. Not really over big. If you are new subscriber, we gained a few in the past few days. We thank you. We really do appreciate.It keeps tearing us with your friends. Help us. Get our name out there. Now. We're just, you know a couple guys from Canada not America, right? Well, maybe the first time salty about that aren't you? Yes, the first time was back since then so back for the first time I've been on since we've kind of blown up little bit on the tick tock scene because I give it to you running the technique he is you're doing a good job to this man I've learned if you do not know who runs like everything though. Yeah scram he is the one thing out. Like six gram today he is the he is the Instagram man. I'm the entertainment and that's Greg so much. Welcome to the 90th minute. Welcome people but yes, we're going to kick it off as always at the Premier League and we have to start it off on a bit of an unfortunate note. These Spurs vs Everton game. And of course the Andre Gomez injury, it is not a pretty sight for anyone. We wish him the best you'll be as a speedy recovery and he's back in the Premier League soon. So yeah, let's gloss over that. Let's talk about the actual game itself cuz it was actually a very important game and there's a relatively well-fought match, you know, I mean a bit blemish of course, but overall wasn't terrible but of the kind of a bad match honestly, I mean, they're two very uneven forming teams insistent teams. I thought both teams in play the best and also the referee had an awful performance. There's a little referee Martin Atkins. Yes. Yes. Time is calling you pensions waiting for you. Let's go with that with bad refereeing. Can we just start off with that to like three-minute VAR check on the penalty like yeah, like well, I mean like what was that the Premier League and the VAR has been a very it's it's been a very rocky relationship something complicated. Yeah. I mean it has good moments for so has really bad sometimes great. For some it's ruining football apparently so and Piers Morgan can't stand. It. Can't Piers Morgan needs to pipe down. Okay, look I get are still hasn't won a trophy in over a decade or something massive so they will not become fa cups massive but it's not nothing. It's nothing compared to the Premier League of the champions league and unfortunately are still have not done that many years. They're close to the Europa League. Yes. I don't want your boy to like three years ago and look where we are back in and so Bas before that VAR. It though Delhi Ali does open the score in the 63rd minute. There's a nice cool. It wasn't terrible. He's doing yeah, it's nice to see that. He's actually a huge Delhi fan but these products proves best players Roy Keane who was like ripping Delhi to shreds white key on the trips. I've loved it too sure how beautiful I love the paddle. So I don't know. It's just yeah, apparently, you know, he was saying how he's a real player of Promise of one point now, he's just kind of lost his motivation to play it don't completely disagree. That but you're on big fan of Delhi, at least I'm not I think he is over when he broke out. He was like, you know supposed to be the next big English star. I think he was over a because the fact he was English. He's any other nationality playing the primarily they go. Oh, he's got promise but he's not a world beater not world-class like they're saying I mean some of the performances he was putting in those early years were fantastic amazing. And now it's kind of he's kind of a lot maybe he's lost that trying to be the players around him. There are making him look better now. I mean, maybe he's a first thing like the collective of the team is not as motivated. Motivated as they once were you think yeah, Erickson Erickson is not performing at anything. Like we've seen over the past few years with him because he wants to leave he wants to do he's out of the club mental already. I mean Harry canes out injured and he's had an injury issue since the Champions League final or before Champion final, you know during the surgery is surgery did have like some potential Danny roses. He also had some potential pretty sure ganger osechi drinking before games because he's a mess like this team in the Champions League final. TV were TVs played today though. So the way we're talking heathens play today. Did it man? But Harry Wings Spurs are Spurs. I think they're good compared to their themselves put them against man city or a Liverpool and there are miles of I mean, they died men City and only lost the liver by how they tied it to be very Norwich also beat man cities he can't say but it's true really opens up in the 63rd minute. Humming song does get a straight red card for the tackle Andre Gomez in the ascendancy. I hope I hope tell he's like mentally, okay, not Dahlia humming song Amazon. I hope he's just having any pts. He was very very distraught. So yeah, I mean, you might need some counseling we could open up the discussion on whether it was a red who was at fault what happened? I think that's a discussion for another episode or some other time. Yeah. Let's just give the thoughts to Gomes in the you-know-what wish him the best kind of thing will move on your ass down, but Everton jukka. Back and checked all soon comes back and ties up the 97th minute. We talk about 12 minutes about it. I'm like I'll make sense why but the VAR check of the a three-minute. Well, we didn't talk about that. Like first do we all think that should have been a penalty? Yes. I agree. I don't know why that took so long and then like I was like, they must give it and then they didn't give it so guys go back to the entry real quick sharp because everything they did release an injury, okay. They said Andre Gomes will undergo surgery tomorrow Monday November 4th after sustaining an ankle injury in today's game with Tottenham Hotspur. Andrzej Duda was stretchered off after undergoing Hospital test. It was determined. It was confirmed. He had suffered a fracture dislocation to his right ankle the club will provide further updates in due course. Glaus update it was it was not a pretty sight. No, not at all those brutal. But yes anyways continuing VAR moment like you said 53rd minute for that one. It was a very long delay in and yeah eventually goes to a decision of no penalty against Delhi a leaf or a handball. He had his hands over his head and it hit. I mean, the only thing that I can think of is it was a foul like before but was it didn't look like much ours. Interesting. I mean interesting it's hard to Nina literally rolls into him. Do you think he's also look at you think it was a pound here know like if mine is a penalty that's a penalty in my opinion. Yeah, that's fair like we we're really like screwing ourselves over in the Premier League with giving really light fouls as penalties and not changing our minds about but that's the thing. They either need to give everything as a penalty. In those situations or nothing because they're doing 50/50 and teams are just like why they get a penalty but we didn't think was very are they don't even check it. They just take a roll of dice Jess. They're flipping a coin flipping a coin. It's all of the dice heads gear ponytails. You don't sorry like on TV. They just show like the replays everything but realistically them like a dice and like what was it what for two weeks ago. That should had a penalty which game are you talking about? Oh again Spurs. Yeah. Were I think delfi was trip, but I think that was more played with belly than this one like that one. There was a hundred percent of hell. D'ya my mind, you know. Yeah, it's yeah the rest the refs just they're talking to VAR C. Like, oh is it heads or tails? I'll just have the conversation that's happening like they do in rugby where they can you can what and it goes back to the conversation. We're having the other day is the refs not checking it themselves screen. Yeah, when it's there they literally showed that it's right there in front. Of me, but he just can't walk over the 20 feet to achieve. He was delayed by three minutes. Yeah go over and look for yourself during the the the way time right? But yes checked Olson does tie the game up for Everton huge goal for them. I mean potentially keeps Marco Silva live for yet another week. You know, he is a guy ever thinking I don't know. He's definitely top of the hot so, you know, I mean, I don't know if it's gonna like save his job. It's going to point out a renters that a red card though. Yeah. There's so far this season. That's not too tough. It's not a nice person like the hottest easier to getting a spurt. She's probably harder to get a point of Spurs in his off United of this beef real honest. They were almost screwed over by larvae. So yeah like that we talk about the meenahan ball yet. I mean not the alley humble. That's what that's what we were talking about were talking about the me. No one there's two how many ham balls were there is no one Mina rolled into a lie. No son. We were talking about Delhi Ali's hand ball. All oh yeah, definitely definitely handball. Yeah clear penalty. That's the one we were talking about. Yeah, we have confirmed it was a handball and it's a penalty and the fa gone wrong, but after the game mitosis and said that he wished he didn't score that goal. You said he wished that we lost five mil and that Gomes injury didn't happen. I mean Karen off, but I mean, I'm happy that they got a result because of what happened though. Yeah, like, of course you never want that to happen in the game, but hmm. I was happy that they Got something out of it and didn't lose like basically lose twice kind of yeah % I mean for Spurs I put some 13 Points city and 11th in the Premier League Everton on 11 and they are at 17. So right above the relegation Zone. He Silva is definitely on the hot seat. He's got to have his job in question. Yeah. Well ever turn a close to the relegation Center Point there one spot above. Yeah and like they have how many points 11 points plus the Manchester. Oh, that's awful. There's a you look at is only is only content the left or too less the United you look at 10th 11th and 12th United Spurs and Wolves. Yeah. Those are three teams. You do not think to be more stable. I mean expectable to be mid table because they're in the Europa League. So then you've got your house Brighton Bournemouth above them, but they're also wolves are seem to be in DC. Okay form. I mean, but look at Ya look at 6:00 to 9:00. No one would have expected those teams to be challenging for Europe right now Sheffield United Sheffield. I'm telling a Sheffield looking good this season this thing that I've been saying no to teams, but if we're honest the team is looking the hottest in the Premier League has to be Leicester city. Oh, yeah, I'd say so yeah. No, thank you over Crystal Palace two teams who are you know close up of the top of the table up there, you know, Crystal Palace been very good this season. Yeah, but Jamie vardy is have another go once the pool does lose. I think Master should be thrown into the title race content me. They're still behind Manchester city. Did you see Jamie vardy? He's gone. Liberation he mocked the Crystal Palace Eagle. It was great so good. Well, I was gonna say I told a friend of mine a well. Yeah unless they're sitting there looking good still had of Chelsea things to that. Nine mil victory. Yeah. Well, I mean the fact is you know for me I like the stand like Chef Gilman six, that's beautiful sight to see Lester and third. I'm just happy seeing wardens and something I always liked that team for we probably should have went through the games before we went through the table. I wasn't going through a table. He went through the door. I'll just mention this these four positions right? Here's mention Everton Spurs. Well, you also mentioned less traditional pop stars are moving onto them. Sorry I moved on to that game. So I mentioned Lester. All right. Yeah. So then I mentioned the four positions that were surprising to me which included Crystal Palace that's cover the games from Saturday. There's no star with Liverpool. Yeah, big comeback victory over Aston Villa things were Can rather shaky at the end? Yeah, yeah definitely was okay. Yeah, I was about to speak. So I was just feeling bad about interrupting him was purple socks a yeah. Yeah, there is no sir. I mean recently. They haven't been performing too hot. I haven't been raised through the getting Victor SSH. I mean to be fair. I think anyone can really dominate Aston Villa should realistically put the for parasitic. Here's the thing the best teams the teams have not wronged teams that win championships. Victories in games where they shouldn't win it's true. I mean learn pool and city were doing this all the time last season. Yeah little should have won the title last season how they played the points. They got they should have been more looking at the point where you know, they can easily slip up at this point. They meet in drop to point a two games easily. Well, they like this right they could but let's not make sure that is a next week. But this game Liverpool were not there that's in the especially in the first time just after they're gonna pour it in trezeguet gets a goal the Some minutes, but that doesn't change the fact that Liverpool should have been tied at halftime. At least. I mean, yeah Bobby, how is that an audience for VAR? How is that they literally set up the lines. It's on side when they first do it, then let's do it. Again. They bring the line closer towards me. I'm telling you. I'm telling you that they the roll the dice what basically from you know was deemed off-site by his armpit. Was it a goal like at first and they know and they ruled it on internet then they put the flag. Up, and then they checked in it. They said the decisions light that that just mind boggles me. Honestly, like nah, they literally change your decision Midway my move the line. My issue is that ball that Goldust deemed offside on the field the lines been flagged for it? Yeah, but that was after one in the net. Yeah, but here's the thing. I think the they the referees Association the VAR goes, you know does not make ourselves look stupid Just Go With It decision. That's the it's a tough call though. Like it was so close if I'm the lines, but I don't make Colt they're told not to make calls unless it's clear that was definitely not clear even VAR. It wasn't clear. Yeah, like and I liked I think was Ian Wright on the panel. He already on Dublin one of them he goes. Yes, you often scored goals with your armpit offside is supposed to be you know, what your feet your legs goal scored part of your body. That's true. Now your arms, you know. Yeah, it's true. I mean they look at the whole body, right but it's been something that's what I always thought before is like if you had your arm out like that. But like you're completely not in line with them like Peter Crouch tweeted pair of cards goes if they are was wrong when I was around I would be outside all the time. Those are just so long as they don't call off. So if it involves the arm, if you score with your armpit, that's probably not going to be allowed. Yeah, they probably call that for a handball or some marbles only scored with the shoulder before but yeah, but then again the shoulders different than the armpit. Yes. I don't I don't think it was offside. No, I think he was actually it should have been one. Yeah. Well also Liverpool had a few other chances that they will It's the most all I had a chance what you decide? He didn't really have a great game at as at all. Yes. I got taken off a 65th minute. He's got coming back from an injury though. So again, sometimes players come back slower than others from injury. But also there's I thought that the Midfield was not great your animal on on them because we had Adam wanna yeah. I mean I don't wanna is a fine player, but he compared to Nabi Kata bobbing for being yo even Milner and that's it. This role were for being unusually plays La Llana doesn't have the defensive awareness real secure can't really feel for be no shoes. No not many players can honestly I just again when all I'm not getting involved enough Henderson was alright but skating the place started to the pace of the game started to increase once again Ox came on and then Ox looking I like oxide show me such a driving force and I Midfield and also once again Nabi cated comes on. He was very good. Yeah. He was on Parole in that last 10 minutes. He was good, but he came on and the goals were scored again. Yeah, but one I love docs is like three shots that he took all at once. He was just hidden and they're just blocking it like crazy supposed most hours in a little bit of a poor run of form at the moment, but there's a certain player who is definitely picking a much better than Andy Robertson all wrong because what he's only got like three goals for Liverpool now, right maybe two to nothing because I think it's no but like in all time now, but it's like three or something and he's got two big ones this season Savio money. He provides the cross friend your Robertson in the 87th minute sing with his left foot to next. Yeah Robertson fantastic and then many himself picks up the winner in the 94th minute off of a corner. Kick the great Henry had I didn't think you would get that on targeting we argue that money as you know, now the best forward in the primary thing is he wasn't having his best game either I thought First stop use really bad, but you look just f up in the crucial Nestle and big game player. If you didn't score that goal. I saw a picture. He got kicked in the face. It is Warrior from Senegal. What do you expect to be a great player? I guess noise. It's a fighter. That's what he is. He's a fun side of money if I had to pick a favorite look like you guys are like probably arguably the two best players in the league and Van Dyke and Mane and city of if you can only take one player from the Ripple to put on United Van Dyke. Who do you Well, I know but not on your team, but like just the player that you'd want in general. I think we could all agree though. There's a lot of players in that starting eleven that we'd want from love animals, but Look at man, especially animal if we look at Manchester City the title Rivals from Liverpool. They do pretty much the exact same just a little earlier Laurel now, could you imagine yourself Hampton Beach City lose nine now the other week and I was born will be no one ever winning. I was hoping so I'm like that wasn't Redemption story for the ages James ward-prowse comes up with a goal of the 13th minute. But then yes City do turn around Sergio Aguero in the 70th and Kyle. I'll Walker in the 86th. It took a little while for City to really get going in this game. They're very casual and just they had said crossed themselves a little too much. Yeah, it's 75% possession and all the others just passed around and did absolutely nothing with that that well. I mean like full they really have any Defenders in 639 passes South had had 225. I'm pretty sure that's like what Liverpool's game was though to. Yeah, it was kind of like that. Yeah, that's usually what happens though when you The big teams are playing the small teams. If they especially when they score first, they're gonna just drop back and let them do what they do. You just got to take the chances you get so that like as soon as you can so it doesn't become a stressful moment later on for your team and your fans police. They didn't consider these five goals. Yeah. We the Gap the Gap is still there the top of the table Liverpool have 31 points. Men City have 25. Now. The tasty thing is that these two teams do Faceoff next weekend at field which we will discuss during our 1v1 predictions me and Lucas room won't be ones and you guys aren't what do you guys think is gonna win? It's not an adult. Well, you'll be there. So yeah, I'll be there but I think we could discuss this further guidance only we all go down at a long time at anfield. City they need they need the win. This is honestly a game that could decide titles. These are huge points. I have to go for a little pool when they want. The thing is I could see this game being a high-scoring game though to it. I cannot either see it being a high-scoring game or of or like a one-nil or something like that because I don't know if it's going to be a one-nil with how I don't know. I don't feel like I could be like a11 a.22 kind of thing. Like I can see I I can see goals being scored in this game. Unless they just are boring and make sure you subscribe hit that Bell. So you see when we do post that one V one prediction episode. I think the just them being an ad field gives them just that much. Bigger advantage to finish off a few of the games are on the Saturday Arsenal and wolves draw 1-1 the frauds not a good result their fraud that gutters and I messed up. Yeah, that's my Max my fantasy team got some, you know points on my fantasy team did very well this weekend 75 points to one-up the League rankings the world's Brighton & Hove Albion huge to nil victory over Norwich something one thing about Arsenal. Yes measured is playing measured was playing. I often ask how much time does Emery have left? I think everybody has a little bit of a safety bubble because who the hell they get to replace them. That's the issue of good managers under the who there's plenty. You're not gonna get a big name you may you may not you're not you're not hold on Geneva. No. No, but there's plenty of managers out there that are young and Play attractive football. I'm and more expense Arsenal are interesting situation and Arsenal are not playing their good of a football. No, I mean you could say that against Liverpool on one's it was more exciting, but that's because there's a youth kids singing, you know, they should bring on Neil Lennon. No Celtic manager, he's definitely not worth going. I mean, I think I think he knows how to win. He knows how to win big games. I mean, yeah, it was. All right, so and I think you give him a good mount a good budget. You can actually do something. Well 25 shorts completely outshot Arsenal in this that's no surprise at the Emirates like this like like nothing is Arsenal right now, but you guys are kind of a joke right now look like you're I don't know. Look at Arsenal's back on the funny thing is was it like it two or three weeks ago? Arsenal was doing good. Like they were on some good. Yeah, look at their last five games though. It draws one loss one win. That's not good. That's not good. And what's funny is there Stone Fifth and like, you know, you've helped you every situation like the granite jokke situation happened. Like I sort of got some United Spurs and Arsenal are currently on a carousel of comedy and they take turns every week. I mean, I would say yes, but I feel like there are constantly accommodates confers. There are certain crew and United laws. So Emirates is a circus. It was funny because we all thought Chelsea would be a circus but there I was Kelsey is scouting. But with Arsenal like there's six points behind top four right now. If this continues it could get ugly. Yeah, you're very good any of those teams that don't get Europe is the you love you right now. Can you see the two of those teams dropping on top, right? It is too early. I can't right now right now right now. Of a team like Brighton obviously gets good form. Like this is the been the strangest primarily just break every two no victory over Norwich is a huge win for them. Yeah. It was all the League's it. Most of the League's in Europe have been very strange. But yeah, this is all been very drunk talk about the big win in New Castle. I was gonna get ten Castle last time with blew it three turnovers. I was watching the kickoff with the true Jordi and when you Castle were up three nails like, all right, full-time game is over and then you Castle scored the second goal. And they're just joking around with him. Like oh, I guess it's full time now. Yeah goals by Karen Clark Federico from the they almost tie it to conjure Salvage one of the best dubrovka made some good saves actually, but yes goals by Fabian Bell Buena and Robert Snodgrass did make it interesting at the end. But the tune Army hangs on for a 3-2 victory over West Ham Saint Seiya Maxime had to clear breakaways and he didn't score either only. Yeah at least concerned on Castle who's there the stackers aren't scoring the goals. It's the Defenders at Midfield. I mean they got a show Linton is not doing well. Joe Linton. I'm Ron. Oh my friend friend of the show Joe Linton and not doing well. Let's be real. I feel like Joe Linton. We he do. Well, he was actually at a club with the system. Will he do well in like Syria? Yeah. I know. I feel like if maybe more I feel like he'd do well to manager that actually had a system in place Steve Bruce. I don't think Steve Bruce really knows how to use a strike like gel. Clinton let's be honest. Well, as I thought newcastle's the best. He said Newcastle they are I like dark. I like them as a club but Steve Bruce just sometimes doesn't really know what he's doing. So it's like sometimes he does he like just big ones like they want to do and what he's doing better than any of us gave him. Well, I thought it'd be another huge victory. To 1 over Watford goals from Tammy Abraham and Christian poulos. It should America He's A Yank is a good form for you. Got a penalty some say that that wasn't a penalty. Yeah. Yeah. I was quite tribution. Yeah, but what hurt the most tired in the last minutes, they did Foster the goalkeeper for Watford heads the ball. Kappa saves it just before he gets him. Yeah. It was almost the goalie scoring two goals. Great. I would have been I would I want to say this fun with my opinion. I think Tammy Abraham's most informed striker in the Premier League right now. He's a top goal. Scorer. Come on season was top form strong supporters of Artie's kind of party is unwell, but Abraham's he's got Pace. He's got size you go strength and you were criticizing him a few weeks. I'll resize Chelsea criticized a lot of people. It's true. I thought Chelsea would flop this season. They're really surprising it's right because something I like seeing I like this young team. May smell Christian pool search II didn't think Willie and just on the wing random. I don't like Zuma. That's my only spot. Your aunt definitely so they got put someone would you rather have down low he's back there right now that can't defend two more. He's doing very well. You know, I don't mind Emerson only as well acquainted Regina and kovitch are decent together. They're doing really well. Hyundai's not back yet, you know and they don't even miss some right now. I'm not terribly I mean Willian we say he's past his best quite possible. He's still there. He's still got that veteran presence up, but for such Mountain Abraham case strength good You need a mix of experience along with some youthful which if you're if you're going to develop Youth and you look at the three players you come on for them count Hudson and Dory Mitchie Bachelor. I and Reese James. Those are good substitutes to have are missing that a better presidents on all sides of the behavior missing so many things because it here for like we haven't we haven't got to them. We just have this like a big giant piece of paper start writing things down what they're missing. It would just go on for hours. It starts with top glazes out. You want to let's go to the United again. What happened was I didn't know it was two Norwegians going head-to-head and one of them one boy King Joshua King Dwight Dwight, but Joshua King scores a goal for Bournemouth in the 45th minute and he does beat Manchester United with it. It's a shame that we lost. Look at the three players you brought on Jesse. Lingard Mason green one and Brandon Williams Brandon Roy. What the hell? Good lad Greenwood great not enough experience to really be a primitive side. Is that all you think don't you think that team would actually put a couple goals passed from it isn't away games of credit and you know, we don't do well in the road but we've been winning on the road recently so positives here, they're above use I mean it was devote. We beat calcium in the the care about cups. That's a positive. That's what that that's the point over here. All the teams are just inconsistent. Yeah, you need to find some consistency in there was a 5/5 game. Game, can we really say that cup game was well a couple anyway, once again, we've not considered more than one goal. Good job. Yes also can't score more than us. Sometimes happened last week and those it was something right. It's more than one for the history books second bottom Norwich City. That's right. Well, here's the thing like you guys think you think you're missing. Would Pogba make those goals happen like, you know, he wouldn't but a certain Portuguese man. What if we signed? Bruno fernanda's what possibly is what we're missing, you know, if we can bring him maybe in January if that's possible great and then because prayers not doing bad but like yeah, but it's not, you know, Indian Central. I mean, he's not gonna want to go to United. I wish want to touch that. No because you see what's going to happen is always rumors that the Saudis are interested in buying man united you want to happen at this rate. Yes, because I feel it sounded so money. He would care a little bit more than the graves because the glasses are just I don't know what's going just get there. It's just because an X-Men City. This is probably in some boardroom to Hero, you know lost again. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah, they need to sign players. No, it's okay is the money coming out of the printer? Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah exactly sure styles of shirt sales are still happening. But the final game we haven't spoke about was Sheffield United's big 3-0 victory over Burnley big one. I I like Sheffield. Yeah. Mmm. So attacking it's great. I hate them at all. Honestly. It's a you Big system they barely sign anyone and if they did they were like Championship Playoffs the think well, I don't we do our apparently prediction. I said, well, they haven't signed any one of inequality this seems going to go down. I like Sheffield and I don't know. Okay signings and summer. I don't know it just kind of shows up. We didn't know much about them are Jackie Ella means he's getting a lot of clean sheets and like Get rid of the hail. There you go. We have a replacement already. So I just gave him a new contract. I'm just saying if he ends up going around Madrid like for 9,000 time. He's been rumored we have a replacement but her no II I think it's two teams. I haven't I've given credit or Sheffield and Aston Villa, although I wish I had Villa was doing a little bit better because John begins a great mentioned earlier. He's gonna be a Scottish legend right now. Sure. Should I be insulted but you know, we can't do a signing and I The that big thing to take from the Premier League so far is it's just crazy how close it is compared to the other than the top four. I mean, yeah, I mean it's tight. The seasons are changing all the time. There's gonna be some huge IMS that we already mentioned the purple City next week, but quickly. There's also Lester plays Arsenal as can be a good one Chelsea players Crystal Palace that could also be tightened at the bottom Norge face Watford. No huge point a Liverpool fan. You're having the time of your life. The top of the table and Everton's curling a relegation battle. So like any other will find only Everton relegation battle but so is United. Okay. No, we're in a mid-table battle relax. It was you lose one game. You'll go down. Yeah, I understand Jesus Christ Am I Wrong we're in Ted we were in seventh last week relax pause. If you lose one game and those bottom teams win your thumb points ahead of that. We're not talking about foam your two points above Everton. Everything's an 11-year on 13. Well, yeah, I mean anyone can really drop us. I mean Spurs can go into the relegation Zone to yes Spurs are also imagine if United just just imagine if United got relegated from one week of theirs in the bottom three. No magic they got relegated on Fire Imagine shut up. He can't have this and oh no Premier League game finishing behind now. I'm look what happened. Shut up, man. You're quieter get you didn't cannot get the walls. I'll see you in the championship United cannot get Relic seven months later new tick tock goes viral ends up on Sky Sports with Roy Keane and the lads I'd say there's Roy Keane and whoever else was like what the hell is happening here? Like who is this guy? Like not only hoarded before they die anyway. Sure, let's go. Let's go to another League. That's absolutely insane. Don't ya dun dun dun? Sure, the Bundesliga, it's a it's a great table. I love that how it's changing every day before we start with any games Nico Kovach has gone. Yes since A Cloud by 5-1 loss at I think Frank Frank. They got smoked but Robert Lewandowski scored. He may have to undergo a small. Surgery, which would rule them out for seven to ten days you will you will not miss buyers and next game but it's likely to miss pulls upcoming Internationals. That's okay. We have the best record in the world. Sure music and Pyongyang. Tell ya I mean they're doing on their going on fire. Yeah. Jerome ball is going to play a front three of three Strikers and just trying schooler Jerome Boateng doesn't get sent off in the ninth minute kind of and it does kind of create the onslaught it does end. 5:1 like you said that just that just goes on which is gone how bad both tanks having he's having a rough time. I mean Bayern so they've been getting a lot of injuries to their defense all the plates centre-back apparently or bovard played right? I don't know what was going on here. I provide I was like, I've I feel like pravara probably went to Center back and then Kim at went back to right. Yeah, but with bone pain gone next week have a big game. Dortmund yeah, and they're going to have either an inter manager a new manager then it's what a lot of question marks surrounding Bayern Munich right now, but then again these these have been around since the summer basically rumor from the bile door build Allegra is now a favorite for the buyer and job he would definitely top of the list I think Mourinho will be tossed in there. They'll be a couple big names tostan. Yeah, who else is available Lucas you are go to coaching guy. There's probably like Farm Valencia manager Marcelino might all think that Martin Schmidt know who did you say is going to take over the clothes though. You said I was I was This is for not buying Defenders and let home was leave a hundred percent. Yeah, it's not wrong. Only thing I didn't like about cold patches that he didn't let me live play and now he wants to leave the club. He's a trooper Varian. He's Byron's face. So it's true. Another thing like whole bunch apparently said earlier in the week that Frankfurt have the best fans in the league which how would you feel about that? If your managers said that about another team that you're about to play it sounds people like a lot of buying pain seemed like they were getting tired of what Cole batch was saying the media. Also some fire and fax from Fabian 5 wide highest defeat in 10 years Klinsmann lost his job there. Well, I was against Wolfsburg Warcraft. Yeah feet scored that insane backheel goal 18 points lowest number nine years at this time 16 goals conceded equal worst offense in 11 years. He says that a lot. Yeah. It's a little high. You said hansie flick will be the net charge of next matches, but not sure if he's long-term option. I don't think they're brave enough to choose close up. It would be nice. I actually don't think it's called batches fault. They don't have the fenders anymore because of injuries then both think it's a red card in the beginning. I mean they defeated Tottenham 7 to so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a month ago. We're looking at Bayern Munich like they're just Red Hot Cakes least favorite 7th house. Can't stop scoring. He still can't stop so I mean, yes, but I mean 5-1 can't lose but right it's a going to be a Borussia to team that wins the league Igor it girl could be on let's move on to a Borussia team Borussia Dortmund. They a huge 3-nil victory over Wolfsburg Wolfsburg were sitting pretty near the top of the day. They hadn't lost yet in the league. I know after I want to be one predictions they lost 6-1 to Leipzig in the cup. Yeah thorgan Hazard Rafael Aguero and Mario Götze Gaza. Wait, I also forgot what you want Leipzig. Well look. Yeah, I forgot about Like interest until now. Yes, that surprised me thorgan Hazard whenever I watch from the season itís good haven't really been too impressed but good but he's 6 it says he's good. I like thorgan Hazard. He's not a loser. Although a lot of problems currently his gold today or this weekend was either a second or third goal of 2019. So he needs to pick that up a little. I mean he's doing his thing. Yeah, he passed the ball to because leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah, it's this is big for doorman winning three nil, especially with Bayern Munich. It's good momentum. Item, you needed that one. Yeah, and yeah must like you mentioned was Bruce emergently back is top of the table and they did get a 2-1 victory over Bayern Leverkusen. Yeah, their goals were both tap its kind of world played in the box and snowing on Bailey got a red card and 90th minute plus 97 minutes. Yeah, you literally came back from injury now. He's out in the sidelines again. That's okay poor guy, but yes that puts bar delivery cues and all the way down to 10th. But yes, let's go to RB Leipzig as they they did bad bad things to mind. Yeah, not PG. It ends eight nail blasters are still better. But you know eight nail. Well, the thing is in our last episode. We were like saying what is Leipzig doing? They're not playing very good and the two games they've scored 14 goals. Yeah. Yeah Timo Bernhard Goetz three goals 3 goals and three assists. Yeah cuckoo gets a girl sobbing. You are great like a hawk and goals. Yeah telling you like me goody. I'm sorry Minds might be getting relegated this. Yeah. Little table real quick at this other team answer 15th. I think it's very relevant. They've drawn their last five games. She's five games in a row all drawers, but they got you get a decent result against Freiburg to to their sin V Freiburg. They're still within touching distance of the top right now. I'm missing is like the primarily the whole Bundesliga can still win this right now. That's true. Maybe a team from Berlin or one that's run to the Berlin Darby you guys predicted this one as well this had Eight scenes. Do you see the scenes was there to stop the game many flares or thought on the field? They had to the Garden while I'm out. I'm out. There's a small fire happening. Let's just chill out for a little bit. But as one at the very end 87th minute by Sebastian Poulter, we don't really know these two teams. Let's be honest, but the Berlin Darby happened. Yeah, and yeah, we've heard that if you think it's very historic, you know rivalry. Yes Berlin Berlin. All first East West Berlin Darby, that's really you know, if you think that's pretty sick. Yeah, that's pretty badass. You were giving it lots of crap on the wall you one predictions. He's been he's been transformed. Okay, he's grown and matured over two days. Yes Dedrick by Optical yellow card. That's all that happened to him. Like Celtic Legend budget boy. There's a lot of added time again would like a hundred minute this have a fire on the field. Walk off the field Miss Ali called Gallant a sore head. What do we do you do it's not as crazy as one Hamburg got relegated and they literally had like a firing squad across the whole field great get real here in the Bundesliga prepare for war to quickly finish rest of the Bundesliga matches. Hoffenheim. He's a 3-0 victory over paderborn Düsseldorf to nil over: and schalke big win. 3-2 over Augsburg really needed that. Yeah. Now are we Store in the Bundesliga. Would you like to imagine it anything else for the Bundesliga? Not really. I mean you just mentioned glad back 22 points first place doorman second. Nineteen. Happy birthday to Canadian Alfonso Davies on his birthday. It was yesterday. So but happy birthday playing left back at Bayern Munich 5-1. Yeah. It's going on sometimes things happen poor guy. Let's go to the absolute crap hole. That is Italy. Okay, that's a little harsh. That's very harsh. Did you see what happened to Mario Balotelli? Well, we can call the crap hole if they want to be if they want to treat players like that. I mean, yeah that speak speak your mind. Did you see what happened? No, but please don't abuse. So he grabbed the ball kicked it at their fans and walked off good old good. Yeah, is this supposed to be like this Italy, but he brought him back on and scored again. Anger. He's or a great goal Unfortunately they lost its. How about until he does but one thing okay, so as Fans post the video on Twitter saying oh there is no racist chants. There's monkey noises. Yeah, he likes to just pretend like things aren't happening and then well parts of Italy let's yes. Yes, I'll glue plumpy on one song. That's Verona. They apparently are known for this. They've done up several times in the past, but their manager you're rich. He said racist make me sick. But today I didn't hear anything. I heard a Lot of whistles the classic car a lot of product provocation, but I heard nothing racist. It's a lie, so he pretty she's pretty much saying that Mario Balotelli lied. This is a proof of the pudding. I mean this videos okay. Mr. Yurich can you look at the videos and the before I forgot that Liam Henderson played for Hellas Verona? No, I mean he's to play for Celtic here. Just everyone used to place herself every selfie player where they go. Yeah, he's away for us. His brothers are the team now, but pretty yes. Yeah Balotelli does score a good goal, but unfortunate they do lose 2-1, but let's move on to the big boys Juventus going to one-nil Victory on the road at Torino the scores Matías de little his first goal for the club. Although was quiet, but you know what? That's what I'm not surprised. He's an old man now he's yeah, it doesn't score as much as you like for the Champions are going to really know I know. The Champions League Inter Milan when again one Victory on the road at bologna has like a little pool like comeback was who scored romelu Lukaku currently has more goals in man united also Lukaku equals. That's so sad Ronaldo's not CR7 but the R9 original Ronaldo even match. His goalscoring record when he was at injured. So I saw a tweet is like who's the best Brazilian striker of all time R9 Ronaldo or Neymar? And I was like just shut your mouth shut your mouth and you think name R9 was pure class one of the best of all time Neymar plays in poker tournaments during his playing career. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like pokers nothing wrong with that now, it's a fun time show. Roma roma gets a big ol Victory to 1 over Napoli now Napoli have been crappily over the last few weeks. Yeah, it's like that word play Napoli crappily. It's okay. They're funny polish for keep scoring. This is Oscar some help. Yeah. I mean we were praising smiling on your 1b1 predictions. Yeah, and he's keeping up another good performance for him. And again Roma they're on a roll right now. They really are look at this. Five games three wins 2 draws their thirties. Yeah. Yeah and many expected them to struggled this season, especially with the new manager model last leaving Chris Smalling. Yeah. Yes Napoli deployment all be done to 17th. No, I'm sorry seven seven seven. Wow, it's good Role Model A Lot CEO. Atalanta is actually not doing terrible. Well, they lost it cagliari. External part but let's give Adelanto has magical critics. He's really true that club in the something right now. Yes, I mean give them praise. Why because our scores the most goals in the league because Luke is like says we can't like the Irene. I mean, I think they're the managers good but some of the worst team is in Italy some torrio AC Milan a bad team. They lost to $1.00 right? I mean, that's a bad team. Life is pretty good. We beat lots of your whole Barcelona ones will just trust me. We're not good and we beat them watch the scotch. Probably why he knows what he's talking about. Mom, I know I know they rested immobiliare against us but he scored him the big goal today did he was he was going crazy in a celebration? He was like shaking his teammates head like crazy I things going to rip it off. Oh, yeah, you look at aliens or curtain 11 of AC Milan and you know what? That's a team that should be doing better than they are. Well Ramen Ramen Yoli Calabria, they really should just be doing better. That's he just joined them. Who is not enough service server room, I mean, I feel like it's they have enough players to provide the service. They're not buying the right players all there's a good team right now. They're like man united Fall From Grace. I don't know. It's very complicated situation AC Milan the curling the shot of enter and that will be for very long time. Can we go to spin final thoughts and Syria right now? I mean, there's been some good games. I've been enjoying thoughts you've been to so why not? I mean the first place I wrote. I will post a question to the new followers and everyone is watching. Where do you rate Cristiano Ronaldo in the world for top five players in the moment currently? Yeah, would you put him there would you put him with is Renaldo kind of slipping down? Well, I wouldn't put it I wouldn't put him in the Ballon d'Or conversation for last season. I think he will definitely be in the conversation at the moment. Probably not little baby, I think. That's a question that can be posed to both Ronaldo and Messi if you don't trees are coming into the field messy stock exploring consistently separating the bulking injury more the both missing a couple more games. They're coming to the end of their career never 3430. My eyes is still in that big. You know, number one Ballon d'Or spot Cristiano Ronaldo. I don't know. I think he can easily be beat by me about not know what the Bronx you had a lot of injuries this year. But like you think you're a mayonnaise - exactly I'm dying Van Dyke you think is Allah even like how we're just saying Liverpool players. Sorry Tracy Silva Raheem Sterling. Yeah, but come on. There's there's a lot of players. There's a lot of Robert Lewandowski. He's not getting respect even though There was there was a very I'm not going to name names. So there's a very specific Sports company article and they didn't even put Lewandowski on their top-10 me in the boys. Let me S PN. Yes. Yes you NFC. I'm sorry. You guys are just an absolute disgrace. Yeah computer guy. Yeah, we'll go to Barcelona. They lost 3-1 to love to see another manager that it's on the hot seat you'd say is on the hot seat, but their first place He's green. Yeah, but they've all you can't be losing like that though. He's had a big issue with huisman dembele right now. Because want to play them. I mean you just want to play a lot of other really just go like it's dude time's up. He was even in the on the bench dumbbell a your how he's just getting results. I mean answer you fat. He came on actually. Yes, but by Messi does score early on for long. Yeah, and then yeah three goals in seven minutes. Yeah. I'm watching What's Happening Here? Really good goals. Yeah run batter well taken and I mean Barcelona just lost Simple bar loss Barcelona's the report to the almost lost. Yeah, I'm gonna get crazy week. Yeah, a lot of them use shocking results. Honestly. It was not a shocking result. I'll be honest. I fuckin Madrid to be a 1-1. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah me and Lucas both predicted it. Yep. Yep Liam. I think that's what your prediction would have been picked up yet again at their last 10 minutes. There is such a weird moment that hat what happened look. This so I thought Commander take a shot. It's blocked its growing kind of rolling in but a severe player think couldn't day. He like holds the ball between his feet while he's like laying on it like he's laying an egg. Okay and well like sitting on it like he's laying an egg and then like the ball hits is palpable. And they go to VAR. They don't give a penalty even though hits his elbow apparently with the rules. If you're like protecting the ball like that. It's an indirect free kick for the other team. So the ref doesn't give an indirect free kick for a follicle Madrid in the Box. He doesn't give apparently for even though the ball hit the guys elbow in the box right before I closed on the line. It was mind-boggling to me and that could have caused the Falcon Madrid to extra points because those my involved Are you okay? Now? You've come back to reality right was mind-boggled anymore. You're okay. I got some conject this mean Villarreal drew a circle balneal Mill Real Madrid. You nil-nil to validate each. Look at all the draw out the log hits Spain. Now the lead the team we saw beat Mallorca three notes Mallorca It's a Party Island across the way is for actually the big the big the big game though was Granada losing to on Why did you see Watch the last episode we have bet with Lucas because we're not almost synonymous top of the La Liga title of the table. I said hundred bucks. They don't win this he goes. Oh Don Eazy know I know you know your barsa there's no gnostics. It's true. They are top of the table, but circly tied on points with Real Madrid and real sociedad and that I let a quote are all the leaks in Europe. Just so tight right the first thing honestly, Yeah, I could very well be a draw and currently Real Madrid is playing much better knowing Spain probably definitely can see nine goals. So I mean anything like the Madrid Derby I can both of them just lose maybe that would be a real Madrid is doing okay in the league and they drew Betis but these are good side. They have his their 15th only good sign they have your favorite. Mr. No knees. Smart is that my bar passing the ball Alberto Moreno? That's not Albert, Alberta. You barely cleared the ball while he's laying on his back. Thank God. You're so much better. And he's taking over. Basically. That was me. Yeah, so we did Italy we did the premier league question quickly PSV long history lost quantities and they're still at the topically bag your mouth and your thoughts in the league of the Season where thoughts and all the way. Yeah, give us Europe as we want you guys again, very elect conversation. Allegri. Go barsa Bayern or man united ours. There's options for allegri or end and Mighty Mouth the French league home crap. Sorry, if your if your new follower or any of our followers, make sure you get involved in the comment section on YouTube. You want to get involved with you guys have a discussion you are as part of a podcast as a we are I mean, if you look at the front pages just look at this lunch table starts our show, but if you cover him in second, sorry a team in second place has a one goal differential. Yeah. I mean if that be so bad, I mean if you cover PSG away from this table. This table is very tight Mars. Yeah, but you can't do that. I mean last place is 11 points. Monocore 15th. Monaco stand up and share is our second. So meet us you take PSG are the equations very competitive it is do you like tune him out completely. Like I got other things on my mind like, you know another wonderful lady. Ended Which Way Canadian primarily. Yes, occasionally good come to an end. Yes. Congratulations to Hamilton for winning the first of North Star Shield Forge for Jeff seek. Is that where your North America and we like to name our teams after the mean in England. They named the team's name. They wanted to build on egg, but it's like after Street, what would you like? What any of you two like to make a comment on the final? I think Liam you had some I just follow a guy who lives in Calgary. Who's the As a team and he went to the game and said it was the worst games are watching his life for Jeff see literally time wasted from kickoff a chance. They got they boot the ball out and they would just lay on the ground and yeah, welcome to the Canadian Premier League then again, it was in Calgary where it was like minus 10. Yeah. It's are sold around here. That's why you don't make a final two legs two legs or in October like welcome to North America. Welcome to North American Canadian football. That's a First of the first season yep dog load and you know, there's been some really good reasons, but it's not supposed to be about stars. Don't count straight gets about bringing in Canadian youth through the ranks and try to get them to National kind of like, yeah also building the league to exactly you want promotion and relegation in the league in the future. And right now they're kind of considering I mean cool back is considering joining so I'll be interesting and they should have a few more teams like seasonal. Yeah. Yes grow into a more stable. Kind of become like MLS. Thank you. Forget it's kind of like a lot of good young players in Quebec. I mean Quebec is fuck. It's French and the French football. So maybe I'll quit something you can I doubt it, but back French and France France is quite kind of different gases. Push it even the language is still different once I only want two one CPL gonna season. It was the Given that mountain can pose a question to you. Yes, it's not any do with the cam premier league but something you'd like where does lot on end up? Well Liga Napoli, I think ghosts AC Milan that AC Milan I'd like that but Greg, what's your prediction for Zlatan? I have no idea. There's too many well, but I'm gonna say this with the Canadian pearly there's one player should keep an eye on it seems Eastern undergaro but very well for the fcm. Tuna season. Hopefully gets a cop thinking any Improvement. He's from mton. Very good. So ugly. Anyways, yeah, man, probably. Is there anything else we should talk about this week? Well challenge Champions episode. It's on Tuesday. It starts yet again. Let's go through the game. It's Quickly Barcelona host to slavia praha. No, I mean actually saw the Pearl hot sure probably got in a result against Barcelona at least a draw and Choi probably but at the nou Camp, it could be very different to you Zenit. They host RB Leipzig could be a good game Ken Leipzig score another they could 10 girls. They could lose my 12 it Senator. It's Leipzig. Who does the hell they do Valencia? They host Lille. Man, I think the best thing of Tuesday Chelsea host:i accident. That's a good game. Can I ask at Redemption is it's gonna be good tasty Norman Inter Milan don't mean I'm Charlie inter great game is it's the same. It's where are you? We're on Tuesday Napoli. They host Salzburg Salzburg. Okay, I mean, they definitely beat Salzburg. This could be a big game for who finished second in this group. Yeah, and then Liverpool they Hosted gank, it should be a pretty easy one for you guys. I mean, you never know you kiss your at anfield. Stop downplaying your team. Stop being humble. Yeah, you should win every game at anfield that you should would want at least eight goals Leon host Benfica. Watch out to going Mousa dembélé will score a hat-trick. Hmm Wednesday for some reason. There's Europa League game on Wednesday. I know it's not personal Victoria. Bayern Munich host Olympiacos again, that was a weird game last week or last last matchday what can happen this time, especially with Byron with defensive issues and no manager PSG. They host club room not have someone now I just Just have no management yourself out there have some fun. Let's take a boat PSG. They Host Club Brugge Real Madrid host galat. Sr. I-- red star host Spurs. I think red circle in this one. I gotta be honest. They did just lose like 5:1 just Spurs put Spurs have changed over the past couple weeks three one red star Atalanta. They host men citicorp. Deluca's they're going to win this one. I didn't I'm not speaking about give it give me an AZ score prediction right now look as if I have a plateau because get top group. Was I grabbed a host Schechter Donia with red star was still the same team from the 50s and 60s? More like the 70s. Yeah. Well I hate on you. I can see red star still doing something here. Come on red star. I think they'll be dispersed like a be honest. I don't know it. This is gonna be a big game because after this step fire two Spurs if I would do laughter these matches that's four games played. We're getting closer to the end of the group stages and we're going to see a closer outlook on how the groups May finish and some of them could already be clinch their top spot. And stuff. Yep, definitely but we will see what will happen to me in extending a counters will try to talk about it later this week on our will have a try to have a podcast out on Thursday. Hopefully have a lot of you want it will also have a Champions League little preview. Yeah, well wishers review review review exercise described with your building of a getting hit to get all of our new videos. That is done. Yeah, I think so. What else is there to talk? No, nothing Tick-Tock Tick-Tock. Make sure you are followed on tick-tock. Call any description for any and all social medias. We are posting not daily. But yeah, we are relatively day long not on Instagram Instagram. It's a it's leave takes a nap sometimes. I have nothing you used to send pictures from your post was last time you did that because it gets annoyed me because doing too much on Tick-Tock. I have nothing stupid to say so far spare. No, no dental plan. No, no, no. No, we don't need to talk about we go back to the first episode or second data into Grenada. All right, but yes, make sure you are subscribe to our YouTube channel. And follow us along with any no social medias comment down below get involved in the conversation and from all of us at the 90th minute myself. Liam was Lucas Greg. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for watching. Thank you for listening. This has been yet another week in the beautiful game. We will see you next time.

On this episode of The 90th Minute, we talk about all the craziness in the Premier League including VAR, Liverpool and City's late winners, Arsenal dropping points and Manchester United coming back down to Earth. We also discuss Niko Kovac getting sacked by Bayern, and the craziness of the Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and previewing the upcoming Champions League matches! Timestamps: Everton vs Spurs - 1:23 Leicester + 6th place to 9th - 11:17 Aston Villa vs Liverpool - 12:29 Manchester City vs Southampton - 18:45 Arsenal vs Wolves - 21:41 West Ham vs Newcastle - 24:42 Chelsea vs Watford - 26:25 Bournemouth vs Manchester United - 28:20 Sheffield United - 30:55 Kovac Sacked & Bundesliga - 34:12 Serie A - 43:00 La Liga - 50:38 PSG Lose - 54:50 Canadian Premier League Final - 56:21 Champions League Preview - 59:00 Previous podcast discussing Liverpool defeating Spurs, Xhaka's antics, Woz phoning in & more: https://anchor.fm/the-90th-minute/episodes/Liverpool-Beat-Spurs-Again--Xhaka-is-a-DISGRACE--Woz-Phones-in--more--The-90th-Minute-Episode-106-e89jkt Previous 1 vs 1 prediction video: https://youtu.be/czoshBPv1VY Check out the creator of the intro tune: https://www.instagram.com/musictorri/ Check us on social media: Instagram: @the90thminuteofficial Youtube: The 90th Minute TikTok: @the90thminute Twitter: @The90thMinute1 Liam: @LiamPeace7 Woz: @itswoz96 Lucas: @ChromiakLucas

Hi, everyone, you listening to Superwoman. Today's guest. I'm really excited. I kind of fangirled out on her is Maria Sharapova. The amazing world renowned athlete and tennis player. We talked about her going from winning all these glorious titles and Tennis to being an entrepreneur. She still runs the day-to-day of the company, which is really impressive to me being that she's traveling most of the time so take Take a listen. So today everyone. I am beyond excited. I am with Maria Sharapova. If you haven't heard of her she won Wimbledon and age 17 five grand slam titles the seventh female player in the open era to compete in the Grand Slam. So wow. She reached out to me, which makes me so excited that she want to do this podcast. So please you can't give an Applause, but I'm here are the Applause. So thank you for doing this with me. Thank you for having me. I am a Fan and I love listening to podcast. It's such an amazing way to reach out to people and connect on a much more personal level totally. So I would love to Psych start at the very beginning of your like transition. You moved to the us when you were six. Yes. I was a very little girl so I have a five-year-old. So I'm trying to imagine the transition. You must have gone through going from Russia, right? And what was that? You know, did you say you wanted to move? Like how did that whole thing happen? So just a little background around so my parents were living in Belarus. My mother was pregnant with me and just around the time when Chernobyl head and because of Chernobyl and because of how close we were to the radiation my parents fled to Russia and Siberia and that's where I was born. We quickly got out of there. I was around two years old and we moved to Sochi which is a town where we just had the hosted the Winter Olympics four years ago, but it was it was a completely different change in my life. So at six years old After I began playing tennis my my father wanted to develop a tennis dream of Mine by moving to the United States which everyone recommended because there's just no infrastructure. There were no coaches. There's no way really to develop a sport that's for that particular sport at that time. So we wanted to they wanted to move and my mom didn't move with us for the first two years. Whoa. Yes. I was just a six-year-old girl and we didn't come back for those two years because of you couldn't on the Visa that We had so I didn't have that relationship with my mother for those two years, which is probably the most difficult part of that. But in that journey, I felt like moving to a new culture and doing something. I love to play tennis. I loved I was just surrounded by so many kids that had the same passion that I did. Yeah, and I was learning a new language. I moved here without knowing a word of English only how to say my name and that developed into this. We're so I have so many questions on the heels of that one of them being did your dad like how did they know you had this innate talent? Because I feel like something like ballet or tennis like they're these things are you know, you can see it in that person, you know? Yes, so my mom had no interest in sport at all, which is so funny because no one in my family really had any Talent OR knowledge or experience and in sport and particularly antennas. My dad was a fan he played my mother was a dancer occasionally, but there was no there's nothing that we could like go back on experience and say okay. This is how they did it. Right and when my father was playing for fun, I joined him and I was always around my parents and my mother didn't want to take me to kindergarten or preschool. She was very young when she had me so I would follow her around everywhere. I would go to university with her. I would go to the library with her. She'd be doing her exams and I was right by her side. The Tran you know that personal story was very important. But then Martina Navratilova held a tennis clinic at the age of 5, and we went there in Moscow. We use the little amount of money that we had we got there and she kind of like pointed me out. She came over to my father and said that I had a real big Talent which I still to this day don't quite understand how she did that because when I see children that are that young it's so hard to recognize talent and because children we have so many we want to do so many things at the same time. We lose interest so quickly, but I just seem to have a type of focus that others didn't have and I enjoyed the repetition of hitting this tennis ball over and over that I think she saw that and she it was so different to what may be the other kids are focusing on wow. So I hear in a lot of moms like talk like this like we feel guilty for missing, you know, two nights of the week. We have to work late. We're like, um, and the guilt is so hard, but I'm trying to Stand like how you and your mom kept that relationship alive. And like how did she deal with not being around you and you not being around her for those two years. So they're The Limited communication that we had was through letters. So we wrote physical letters calling her was very expensive. So I did occasionally speak to her but very rarely maybe once a month. I remember writing letters to her and writing in the end. I love you. I love you. I love you in Russian and I would have liked little young kids next to me making fun of me that I was almost the writing like a love letter to my mother but they had their parents right next to them. So I think it was it was hard for them to really recognize and understand what I was going through it. Definitely it was extremely hard for her. I think it was much harder for her than it was for me because I was in this atmosphere of doing what I loved every single day and doing it repetitively and then competing and it was is so much fun. And I was like this it was like school with a lot of people that were doing the same thing and I wanted to excel at it but being being away from her for her that was incredibly difficult yet. So what do you think about your approach to tennis and playing the sport set you apart aside from your innate skill like what did you sort of mentally have to do to bring yourself to become so successful. So I used to look at photographs of the photographs that you usually see our of a champion holding a trophy. And then you see the runner up next to them and whenever you would see that photograph, you would see the winner with the biggest smile on their faces and then the runner up just like bawling-crying usually as a child. You're so upset. You got all the way to the end and you end up losing and I always saw the difference in the two and that photograph and from a young age for some reason it hit me that no matter what stage I was of winning or losing that an event. I didn't ever really wanted to show my emotion. I was always going to have a poise. And a smile on my face and not like a your I was too young to think that I was grateful for that opportunity, but it was that I didn't want anyone to know how I did and that I was going to act the same way as if I was winning or losing a match and I think that kind of carried over to competing and I think that's one of the best like mental skills that I have is that no one really knows if I'm winning or losing in a match. I think I carry the same demeanor. On the cord as I do like if things are not going well or things are going extremely well because I think I know how easy it is to lose it when things do go well, so I try to remain focused and more on the next Point rather than feeling like I'm in a position of Victory and is your family still in Vault like is your dad still involved with you and this port one only child, right? So I'm very I have an amazing relationship with both of my parents, which I'm very fortunate to have. I'm very close to my mother. There and she's like my best friend and they're very different characters in both. Each individual has brought very different things to my life. She's very cultural never really been involved in sport supports me like so much off the court as well. Like she doesn't even go to my matches because she's like at the end of the day you come home whether you win or you lose you're my daughter and that's like the biggest victory for me. Whereas my father was very sport influenced. You know, he loved bringing me to all these different. Has around the world to try to help me become a better player and very unselfishly realizing that he wasn't the person that was in control. He wanted other people's opinions. So that was an incredibly admire below. He remained my coach traveling coach till I was 21 years old. I went three grand slams with him and he still very much involved in my career. He sometimes he doesn't go to tournaments anymore. And that was a big step for me because I really wanted to that Journey with my father and I actually An autobiography A few years ago and that path that I had with my father was such a special one. It was like I was under his wing fall like he paved this road for me and I was just living it. I was riding through it. And when I won my third Grand Slam I had this like independent feeling where I loved him. I loved the way that he contributed to my career, but I wanted to attempt to do it on my own right and you know sitting here many years later and having one another two grand slams without him, even though those moments were Bittersweet but it was like I had to work extra hard to achieve them. So they meant a lot to me as well and but he's still very much involved in in the decision-making of my career. So after tennis after what gave you the entrepreneurial bug or did you always have it and you were just like it's just a matter of time before I launch something new. Yeah, when I was younger, I think the first like initial entrepreneurial bug that Had was in fashion. Like I loved I worked with Nike I worked with Tag Heuer like doing campaigns for Tag Heuer with a Patrick demarchelier was in my first step into like the Fashion World. So where I got the likes of Louis Vuitton and Chanel to lend me dresses. I remember DKNY allowed me to travel with clothes while I was doing appearances around I'll let you travel with close if you want a little girl. That was a big big deal. So and then I was working on a collection with Cole Haan. For a few years because Nike had own Cole Haan. So creatively that was like a passion of mine and that's when I started understanding business. I mean, I always tennis I realized from a very young age is not just a sport a lot of it is business which which is also very difficult and you wouldn't sort of integrity and which part of it is the business. Um, I think everything that away from the cord a lot of the like from earnings to Brand building, too. Everything else as incorporates business, right? Okay. So but through fashion is my first I guess pathway into the knowledge of business and then and I think that I just realized and recognized from an early point. Maybe I was in my early 20s that I thought. Okay. Well, I'm not going to be playing tennis for for the rest of my life at even though I've done this since I was a young girl, I'm a woman I want to have a family have a close relationship to my mother. I don't know when I'm gonna end this Sport and my career, but I want to have other avenues and I want to start building this so that when I do finish my career, it can be today can be tomorrow can be in 10 years that I've already began. Right? What was the first thing you approach is kind of your own like I sat outside of the licensing with or you know, the collaborations you do with Nike and Cole Haan. So that was the real difference was when I when I started making most of my money through earnings, but then I also was becoming the face of certain campaigns and working with Brands and water brands and at the end of the day. I was a very even though they were lucrative deals with really big companies. I felt like a very small part of the company and I think my competitiveness kicked in was like, you know what I want to be a little bit more than that. Yeah and at 21 22, I wanted to start my own business. So I started a candy brand called sugar Prova which has evolved into many many other types of sweets throughout these last seven years. Years to me about the difference or the the fun it like it's like you here you are, you know world famous tennis player and then you started to Sugar, you know, sugar and candy like how did that juxtaposition happen? I think because I understand the the amount of work and the rigor and and the everyday stress of being an athlete and being so diligent and consistent with what you do and the importance of that is huge. But I also have this Like side of me that's very telling naughty but it's like rebellious in a way that I want to treat myself and whether that's like being next to my grandmother and cooking a cake where she Scoops like 3 scoops of sugar in there. Yo, I want to be a part of that and and you and I felt like, you know, I work we work so I work are you work hard? Everyone works so hard no matter what we do from and to consistently say no to those like indulgences in our Our life is actually spending more energy than just giving each other a break and saying you know what today I'm going to have something. You know, that might not be the best for me but it's better than you know saying no hundred percent of the time right? Because then you're like me and then you cheat and then you cheat bag I do and that's sometimes okay now that I like with hold myself all the time then I'm like how fuck it I'm gonna eat all the croissants. I can remember like I went to Paris and I think I had 10 in a day just because I always liked but to be fair croissants in Paris, Don't seem as fattening as they do here. Like I think the produce is so much better. Don't get me started. I know I'm like so excited America and its food. Hi everybody. I want to tell you a little bit about the platform. I used to distribute this podcast. It's called anchor it is the easiest way to make a podcast and it gives you everything you need in one place for free, which is what you can use right now from your phone or your computer and it allows you to record edit your podcast. So it sounds great. They're also distribute your podcast for you. So you can be heard anywhere on Spotify Apple podcast Google podcasts and so many more And I guess what you can make money with no minimum listenership, which I can tell you is a game changer. So download the anchor app or go to Anchor dot f m-- to get started. So you didn't approach sugar covid something like oh, I'm going to put my name on this you really it's your company and you may notice a lot of the day-to-day decisions the creative all that so I know it's grown because I see it everywhere and my kids I had to put it on like I got a bunch at an event and I had to put on like other top shelf because they were addicted to it was like for special occasions. So I do I own a hundred percent of it. I still do a financially own it I remember Initially invested half a million dollars and in it and I it was such as a transition in the in my thought process of business because I realized that I was fortunate to have made really good money and the in the few year in the first few years that I came in the door and started doing well and I won my first Grand Slam being 17 years old and I think my thinking process and also the way that I worked with my manager, he's been my manager since I was 11 years old and he is still today. Wow. We just kind of gained A New Perspective of isn't it so much better. You don't need the money right now. You don't need the money tomorrow, but isn't it so much better. If you invest your time and your effort and your skills and your knowledge and not get paid right now, but maybe it would be rewarded down the line and something that you believe in right? So that's kind of the shift that I had and one of the reasons I started sugar Prova. So what was surprising to learn about suddenly, you know being thrown into a business you own a hundred. And I've you're making all these decisions that maybe we're different from your previous life. Well, the first thing that surprised me is when I started it I was I was much more like I was very involved in the creative. Like that's what I loved about it. I don't think I never thought that it was a even a possibility to sell the to sell the business. They honestly I never I mean I knew would venture capital was but not really I knew like business details, but certainly not as I do right now. So it was never even in question now everyone's like do You know, everyone asks me, you know, when when would you look into selling this? Would you consider selling this and it's never it's never the way that I thought of the business. It was like such a personal experience and journey for me and I'm a big learning curve as well. I mean to learn about a consumer good that goes through retail and distribution and Brokers and all these things. So before we started recording you told me that you spent six days in the last six months at home. So, how do you run? Such a huge company being gone all the time. Great people that work with you and for you. I'm also very disciplined and my work. I'm organized. I set priorities like my sport is is my top priority when I wake up. It makes me feel the best like I I love waking up and know I love putting on my leg my sports clothes or my tongue is closed. It doesn't make me feel like Wonder Woman but it feels like this is what I'm meant to be doing and I still love that feeling very much and in the time when I you know in between when I'm doing physical therapy, I'm on the table and I'm getting work done. I'll have a business podcast on or I'll be doing emails and I'll be working on Creative or I'll be confirming I'll be taste testing. They'll be shipping it, you know, sending FedEx and UPS all over the world and you know, I make it work I have so far but I do have a really really great team that that helps me build it that's amazing. How many team members do you have? I always look for full-time. Please and then a lot of others awesome and so what has been a failure that occurred that you in the business. I mean, I think we have failures every week later every day. I just got one today right before I got here some good some good. Terrible news. I hope but what's something that occurred in then how what did you do to I don't know keep going or how did you face that failure and get stronger from it? So in Sugar prob'ly I've had to face a lot of decisions. Ins that include like certain stores that we want to be and so when I first started sugar Popa, like for me being in Colette and Paris was like it was incredible that Sarah took our product and it was front and center in the store. But with time you realize like you're not going to make a lot of money by being in a Collette like it's an amazing marketing tool. So you have to I think like the understanding where your products it's like creating the vision for it, but also making it Business I never wanted to create an expensive hobby. I'm a competitive girl and I want this to succeed but have a certain vision of where it should sit but then I also want to be making money. So that's always like it's a consistent conversation that I have with my team because you want to make sure that your product is placed where you envisioned it to be but at the end of the day when you're sitting there with your financial team, you want to see numbers that are expected to be in the account. Totally that's very different than a lot of the people I interview who You are a fine with negative numbers because they like Oh They'll be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but it's I'm like do I want that pot of gold now or consistently? Not not that your I think you have to be you have to be going in the right direction at least totally if you're consistently in the red and there's no you know, whether it's the people whether like you can have Vision all you want, but you can have a reserve and you can have whatever it is, but unless you just want to be working and not seeing isn't it? Nice to like see? The company in the green at times totally like mini, like woo. Yeah, we are great. Exactly. And you know, I can never compare it to people always ask me like, what is how do you compare with business and in your sport and always say in sport you have this feeling of a match point. So you have everything that you've worked towards is in this one single moment and it's like so many things that have ups and downs are all on the line. You don't really they get that again you win that match point and you fall down to the to the ground and I mean, I've only had five of them through since I was 4 years old, you know, and I say only like relatively speaking like if you think of all the years but it's incredible to have five but you work 365 days a year to get to those moments and there's nothing really like it that I felt in business. There's not that one point like you might get a great phone call. You might get a great email that says you're at you got this account you worked hard for a long time. But there's no you might go and have a drink with your team. But there's none of that like you're in front of 20,000 people and people see that that incredible moment. Yeah. I was just with a bunch of female entrepreneurs and I was saying if you think that feeling that match point feeling is going to happen, I think as an entrepreneur we have like a called a sickness. It's not a bad thing but like you get to where you think is going to be that feeling and they're like no I want they're disappointed. Yeah, you're like, oh that's that's never let me feel it's never what and even in my My sport it's never you visualize. I'm a big believer in visualization, but it doesn't it's not like it comes just because you do it, right it comes out and it happens the way that you might father used to tell me like you can make all the plans you want and then God laughs at them, right? So we keep that in the back of my mind. Even when I visualize one thing I would love to know is whether it's sport-related or even at work. Like how do you deal with setbacks? Because I've feel like women Take it harder than men when there's like a failure like I'm personal maybe you maybe you very personal. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it definitely does because my work is so exposed my failures and I fail more than I succeed to the public eye, right because you're only a winner and the public eye if you're holding the Winner's Trophy and the winners Chuck, right? So I'm vulnerable a lot of the time because Has your as a tennis pro as an athlete, you have a game and a match and you no matter how it goes you face the Press after you face the Press before tournament and they can ask you anything. Like there are no rules. There's no rulebook, right anyone pretty much can get a pass to your press conference. And without those guidelines. There are a lot of things that come up that occasionally aren't expected occasionally your are On the same wavelength as you are like I'll finish a match and I'm feeling pretty good about things like win or lose like least. I feel like I'm in the right direction, but maybe I've had a losing streak or maybe in their eyes because it's so result-oriented you can write on paper like lose lose lose lose. I've learned and very hard way to understand that. Everyone was always have an opinion about things that you do and the way that you the choices that you make Your performances even though sometimes you don't have a full grip on them. You want the best outcome, but sometimes it doesn't happen and you end up with a really bad day and they're there to pursue that they're there to make a headline and they're there to create clickbait. So I face that a lot and I've learned to I feel like so neutral about it. Now, I in the last few years, it's really like no matter what people ask me. I've had to learn the hard way like to give professional and Our to give them an honest answer to be the person that that I am deep down inside like this is me. This is what you're going to get and I know I recognize that you might not love all of it and you might have an opinion but at least I gave you myself. So how do you being that? You're on the road all the time? How do you carve out time for you? Because I struggle with that one. I'm on the road. Right? I'm I'm quite simple in my routines. So recovery is just a big. Out of being in sport and that feeling of doing nothing is incredibly important because sleeping like I feel like in the last few years A lot of people are speaking about sleep. I mean Ariana wrote a whole book about it. She did but sleep has been a huge part of my life ever since I was young. There's just no way around it. You can't be a professional athlete without getting the the eight or nine hours at night and then maybe a nap in the afternoon like to get through an eight. Our day of training. It's really the only recipe to keep doing it week in week out. So that's like an incredible big part like being diligent with those routines and setting time for yourself. Like sometimes I do feel like I hit a wall and I feel like I have so much on my plate and I have family that I want to see and I have a boyfriend that I want to travel to know the challenges of being like in a long distance relationship while having a business and a career as an athlete. But then having maintaining a really strong bond with your parents growing a business. It's a lot of things so I do I do have this feeling of I'm crashing down crashing I need but you know what then I have 24 hours to myself and I'll go to the spa and maybe get a facial and I'll walk on read for the afternoon and I won't be around my phone and I wake up the next day and I just I'm ready. Yes. I have the passion. I'm focused. I'm motivated and as long as you Have that I feel like as long as you have the tools around you the right people around you and people are so important in life the way that they make you feel the way they encourage you and I bounced off of lot of people like I'm very I don't know about you but I'm influenced easily when I'm around people and sometimes it's nice to be on your own. Sometimes. It's nice to take those trips and time for yourself to really when I'm sitting at a dinner even though I have an opinion when I'm speaking to my And or business partners their opinion really influences the way that I start thinking right and sometimes it's so good to take a step back and think for yourself and recognize that your thoughts are just as important and just as valid totally that's really a good point. I think that my time alone is sometimes on an airplane, but I'm like no one can bother me. It's I'm not I'm not going to do the wife. I love this. I love those fights. So what's coming up next to you? So I'm I'm working with a the reason I haven't been home is because I'm I'm training in Europe. Now. I have a new team that's based in north northern Italy. And so I've spent a lot of time there in the last few months and I'm going to be spending a lot of time going into the new season there as well. So it's just like a boot camp. Wow. It's like one big boot camp, but I am going to Africa amazing, which I've tasted at that time aside for myself and for my boyfriend and we're going on an amazing trip and a couple Of the week so that will be great and and after those trips I usually come back and I'm ready for a six six-week training block totally and then yeah the Australian Open will be in January. Wow. So that's what you're trading with the Italian team for. Yes. And what's the name of the Italian team? It's a Piatti Tennis Center. Shout out to them. So I like to ask my guests to things something. We'd be surprised to know about you. I my family is from Belarus. Oh, that's my surprising thing to you. So, who knows? Maybe we were like Our distant cousins. Oh my goodness. What is surprising about me? I am so stubborn and I know maybe that's not a surprise but I am incredibly stubborn. I'm like if you read what an Aries is in the horoscope. I am exactly that like word for word like stubborn that like, I have trouble apologizing when I'm wrong and I'm really stubborn about that. But are you stubborn and in other ways like, how are you stubborn or just like this is my goal. And I'm not retreating from it both. Okay, I'm stubborn in the positive way and I'm stubborn in the negative way. So you get a little bit of both in that but I read horoscopes all the time because I'm such a big believer in mine right that I actually take people like I take advice on other people based on it, right? And so I shouldn't it has even like relationships and things. Wow. Yes. Awesome. Okay, so and then the other question I like to ask is either advice that from learnings you've Our failings you've had or someone who gave you amazing advice that you feel like you want to pass on. So my mother used to do. Well, she still tells me we can be going through so many things in life whether it is one of the best moments in Life or one of the toughest challenges in life and our life path is like a zebras coat. So we have those white lines where everything is smooth and it's according to plan and it's butterflies. And rainbows, but realistically speaking it's not going to last forever. So you have to know that an advanced you have to recognize that in advance. You can't live, you know above the clouds and you can enjoy it and appreciate it. But you have to be real and I think that's that advice like that. They're always be the ups and downs like you have a tough time and you have this black line in your life. It's inevitable that things are going to get better time passes things will get better and you'll get back on the white line. So seeing a little bit ahead and not just being like this is I'm just going to ride this forever and ever liked being smart about the way that you see the future that awesome. Thank you. That was Maria Sharapova. You can find her on Instagram or you can go by her amazing and be candies sugar Prova pretty much everywhere in the world.

Maria Sharapova was born in Siberia, raised in Sochi and then, at age 6, moved to the U.S., and she hasn’t really stopped moving since. The tennis sensation who won Wimbledon at 17 and 5 Grand Slam titles in the years since has honed a level of focus so intense that at times she seems more like a Buddhist monk than a star athlete. This stoic concentration has been cultivated intentionally; Maria saw in other tennis players that letting fear or, conversely, pride, lead them on the court more often ended in disappointment rather than a win. She resolved to always look towards the next point, and act as graciously in victory as in losses. It’s a state of being that has bled into other areas of her life, including her work as an entrepreneur. Maria launched Sugarpova, the candy company of which is still 100% owner, in her early 20’s. Though it may seem incongruous for an athlete to peddle treats, as Maria puts it, it’s important to balance hard work something sweet once in a while. Thanks for listening! We love our listeners! Follow Superwomen on Instagram. Big Ideas The importance of rewarding hard work. [12:45] Balancing vision and branding in a way that leads to revenue. [18:17] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/superwomen/support

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Ladies gentlemen, this is your action Over The Bachelorette here on AfterBuzz TV tonight. We're covering season 15 episode 10 and so much happened were going to be going over all of it. But first we need to introduce ourselves. I will be moderating tonight's wonderful show guys. My name is Jeff Graham. I'm so excited to be here. And on my left. I have the the interminable Christine Alexis. What's up guys? The reality infused Mike feeling. That's true. What's up guys? He's doing love Island as well. I just got done doing love Island. So I'm super warmed up on romance. Yes and be Vindicated Renee Ariel very accurate. I don't know if interminable is the right word. I think that is a good I think I can't be stopped. That sounds right? That's what I meant. That's how I feel. That's good. What I meant was that you are unstoppable. Okay. So are we guys were The Bachelorette panel? We are not only talking about the show tonight. We also have are tweeting for the right reason segment. We have some news that Christine will be bringing us and we just have to talk about this episode Renee. I'm gonna start with you because I just know that you have thoughts. Okay. Wow, what an adventure I would just like to say last what people thinking mad at me for hating Luke. Listen, I hear you. We all have our own Ian's but I fully stand by what I said and I think Luke is trash and I think this week proves exactly how manipulative and toxic I thought he has been literally all season if it and if you don't see that, I don't know what to tell you because that is really bad behavior. And if you have someone in your life that's doing that and you're like that's fine. It's not delete them unfriend them unfollow them all of them unblock them all the odds do all the uncie. I blocked them lock them. Oh, I feel like my mic's awfully. When should I wouldn't you want to block them out Tech difficulties difficulties? Yeah, just block that just bought Mike. What are your thoughts is Renee becomes a handyman technician over there you happy birthday Renee. Happy birthday your birthday on the show as well. Yes, that's so nice. Hey while I fix my mic you want you guys on Sing me? Happy birthday. We'll see what happens during the show. Wow. Maybe Jeff has a surprise. I'm not this was a great episode what I really Light it's fine the scratching in my ears. What I really liked was that we got the fence jump moment. And it delivered. Yeah versus the fence jump moment. That did not defend struck moment. Wow, totally delivers last season the not I not compare to this we've agreed weirdly the last couple of weeks, but this is where I draw the line with you if you don't That that fence from episode was literally everything. I don't know what to tell you. I like to I like this better. I like this better and it came earlier in the season two, like didn't I'm going because I'm gonna side with you Mike that I think this one had a slight Edge over Colton saw his shadow MIT. I thought it was dramatic AF but like this was like unbelievably satisfying. Oh, yeah. What I would say is this was like an overall better net positive for society and there's a there's been multiple moments in the last couple of Seasons where I've been Like this kind of trash you show that I love actually has some good things to say one of them was when kailen. However, we feel about her had her moment where she stood up and shed light on the issue of Campus is salt and this is we got Hannah on this beautiful feminist soapbox for 15 minutes speaking her truth. Yeah. It's so many issues at the way Luke handle this. I know we're going to focus on other things, but I'm sure that both of our conversation will be that moment. Just going back and forth. Sorry Jess going back and forth by which they liked better. Thank you guys. They got a hundred eighty three strong right now. We love you my love it seems Like people have opinions on both sides of the fence Renee go when we do get to the Luke date. I have so many thoughts on how she handled it what he was saying, but there's like obviously more to the episode given that was the best part of it. Let's not play around here. But I mean, you know, she did have three other dates because in the first time ever The Bachelorette kept for guys were van with this week's yeah wanted to test drivers worry cars and she could except for Tyler's car. He said over time is car which was on the garage talk about that Tyler the top quartile. It was an interesting move. You know, what though? Well, in fact, let's just go and start with how there's day. Let's mix it up today. I feel like that's where this that's where the spirits leading tonight. Keep it religious Tyler. So the first thing they do is they haven't written to O the massage msi's is graphic. Honestly there have been some hot and steamy moments this season, but this one genuinely felt like like a little bit of softcore porn. If I'm being honest, it was intense. He was basically like straddling her from the back on this massage table drenched in oil. It was just it was a lot. She's topless. I know she was it was a shocker. Yeah that she was supposed to go see my masseuse. That was a smooth move though. He just came over and you know Mike you can't expect him to not do it like you knew as soon as I stepped in there that he was going to be massaged her and making out at some point right not when she was. Topless that was a bit risque. It was I you know for yourself say I found a number of couples massage with my wife. I don't think she would like that move if I were to like sneak in replaced the masseuse and then all of a sudden it was just I mean, I don't know there was just something a little bit like especially for an unmarried couple a little bit like I don't know. Did you guys think there's something a little bit like a crow about it? All right. No problems. What I did it was it was literally that it was on camera. That's what felt the most uncomfortable about it. This was like a sexy thing happening. And if I like, okay is this where we should we go and they did and at one point producers threw a towel over her chest because at one point she turned over and they're like, this is ABC always be Cam and then they she was covered. Yeah. I don't know. We've seen her Mount guys over and over and over again. The season this is not been the most PG season in general. I don't know it just wasn't my gut reaction to it. I was like, yeah, that's massage. Of course. He's gonna go over and put some moves on her. It's this is like this like the date to do stuff. Right? Yeah, but this is the sex date. So when the SEC State literally stops starts off with you both half-naked in Rain drenched in oil on top of each other making it on a bed like Are not right that's more than hurt straddling a guy in a bench in a hotel with other guys in the other room. You know what I mean? Also like that was heels are worse for some reason to me. I don't know why because this is an intimate date their one-on-one. They're already half naked just because even if he never touched her they would have been the same have naked because it's a massage and it's just automatically said, I mean the masseuses didn't need to leave. It's automatically set up for him to go and do that. I just thought I said, oh, yeah, right like, This just seems like a natural progression especially on this kind of final kind of Dan you their relationship because she said they had no problem with physical intimacy. That's why like with them and their physical connection, but you realize there have been plenty of massage dates in Bachelor history and it's never gone down like that. But that was a very but also I'm saying it didn't feel like the typical ABC date like that was much more intimate than what we usually get on one-on-one, but would be a be in the chat is exactly correct and Colton and Hannah G were doing the same massage thing. Topless not topple know she did have a tiny bikini on but it was also it was also really explicit. Like that was the episode where Hannah I was like, whoa. Oh she came to play. Yeah, and I thought this was way more. I mean, he's not feeling her up while she was laying down and then she got on top of him and they definitely didn't show everything. I don't know why this is super surprising though. She's already naked bungee jumped with somebody else. Like that's what thrown by it the bungee jumping totally different. That's not a sexual thing. This was a sexual thing if you're naked rum, It up against somebody it's actually anything you become sad. I think the bunnies are in was a fun thing. That was the boy. This is the fundamental difference between men and women. I think it was happening right now. It's platonic you thought with Garrett that was a sexual thing. And our him it was yes Garrett. Did you see the way he makes out with her? Well, there's there's the I'm gonna look I feel like you can speak for men. There's very few men who if the girl is at least topless and those boobs are touching you it is going to be sexual is naked and you're naked and it's that's it. Okay well from the literally from Hannah she said it wasn't a sexual experience. She's lying to the other dudes because all the dudes were like wait you were naked it wasn't I think so. Is it Hannah did say that it was not a sexual experience, but she coming all the other guys Mike. She's been so on. The season you think that's what you would choose to lie about naked bungee jumping no get look at how Luke reacted when she said it wasn't sexual if she had said it was sexual all those dudes would've lost it we're gonna windmill tonight. Yeah, that's more of the highlight of Peters date and rather than we're talking about more time. I'm sorry. It's very clear that Hannah Tyler have great sexual chemistry. Oh, yeah the issue here though for Hannah. Is that she fears? That's all they They have this was an interesting. We seen this a couple times in The Bachelorette. It's our physical intimacy is great. I'm not sure if we have anything else and I kind of appreciate it Hannah's take on this because I've been saying that all season I don't dislike Tyler but to me, he's just been blowing hot air All Season. He has great lines and he says nice things but I don't know who he is. And I don't know if she does either so her ultimatum was if we want to make it tonight's fantasy suite is taka is only talking no touching. How did you guys feel about this game? Move as Mike would call it? Um, I mean, I just I don't I don't know that I believe that they didn't actually do anything the entire night. I mean, I know they made out but even still if her intention was to go into it to get to know more about him and make their connection stronger the morning after I didn't feel like she didn't come across to me like she got what she wanted out of the night if I agree I'm like, okay. So are you more in love with him now? We didn't really get that from her and her interview. So, I don't know if it really helped. Yeah, I fell for Tyler this episode because I thought Was such a gentleman and so respectful and whether it was like a move or not. I thought it was very sweet of him and I didn't expect him to be in well because yes, you should be like that. Of course that's like a certain but you just don't know what these guys on the show like depending on who it is. They wouldn't have reacted that way and he was so good about it and maybe like him so much and Christine and I were talking like honestly Tyler for bachelor. I could see it and you guys know I've been not that nice the Tyler I call them like base. Sick, and I said, I think it's because the bars here and I think so. He's like right above it, but truly I liked him this episode and I think she was hoping to spend the night with him and getting Clarity to send him home and I think she was like, oh no, I like him more now and that's why she was crying. Yeah. I thought it was strange. I just thought it was weird too specifically, you know, it's Fantasy Suites. She's been with him a bunch. Is she at least putting some of the blame on herself for not getting to know him? I just thought it was weird since Because she absolutely slept with the other two guys like it was like no problem and I guess just as a viewer, I don't see so much less of an intellectual connector that she hasn't gotten to know Tyler as much as the other two guys. I just thought it was really weird that she put it out there plus honestly, I mean go to the fantasy suite talk a bunch and she's obviously not She is obviously okay with sleeping with these guys. I would say talk and chat it up. But if you're attracted and you want to do it, like I don't think anything I think you is a lie. I sort of like she was almost testing Tyler. Like I know that it's care. Like I know that you're into me physically you've made that very clear to me. I need you to prove to me that you're interested me another way. So if we're gonna spend the night together, I need to put up this barrier. It's the opposite with Peter right where she's like, you're like a nice guy dad, but can you have sex with me twice in one night? I need to know that so it's I feel like Tyler and Peter. Two sides of the coin where she had a great emotional connection with one wanted to test the physical connection with Tyler. She knew she had a great physical connection want to test the emotional connection. Yeah. I think it's just that they're four different relationship. So she handled them differently. Also, I don't blame her for not getting to know him more. Literally. She interrogated him two dates ago trying to get deeper. Sometimes people just don't open up whether how many questions regardless of how many questions you ask them. Like, it's all about the connection how open somewhat is how honest they'll be like if you're talking about vulnerable things. I mean to be honest, especially guys typically have a harder time opening up because they think vulnerability is weakness and Tyler does seem to be honest like the type of guy that I think he talked about this a little bit and I could be mistaken about like not showing emotion having I'm if they've all talked about that they've had problems opening up but whatever so I don't blame her but I think she has such a strong physical connection to him and she wants to get to know more that she was trying to see if they would take it to that level in the fantasy suite and that didn't require We're as the other guys. It wasn't that she was like, oh, well, I just want to test the car. I genuinely think she reached that emotional level and that's just a form of intimacy. Like I don't want to by the way, I don't want such a man at all. I think he's had a great time this season. There was nothing wrong with having with her and Tyler. I'm just saying I was very sexy for ABC but good for her do what you need to do to find who you're going to spend the rest of your life with right or few months to that point though. Like I don't know what it is about Tyler that's gonna like put him over the edge for her because if they already have the physical intimacy and if you're going if we're going on your theory that they had a great conversation that night and now she's even more torn. It's like well, what else do you need? Like he's arguably pretty hot. Like I too gave him a hard time this season, but he's grown up me so much and I feel like he's the one who's really gone out of his way to show that he respects her. He's comforted her and Times of like when she was really feeling low. It's like well, what does he need to do? I don't know. I agree. It's interesting tomorrow Fuller who's in our chat off into it tomorrow. Good to see you. She says it Tyler gets where? Is it? Oh sorry. It's actually hope I love both you guys, but I'm actually gonna read hope cop hopes comment. She said I think she's scared because Tyler seems too good to be true. I feel like that's why she's more apprehensive and as he was leaving she almost seemed the most emotional about his exit and I went I think it's because she knows she's not picking him. Like I think it's that moment when she's like, I know you're great. I know you could be the one but I know you're not it I think in that moment. She knew she was saying goodbye kind of forever deep down that would make sense then if she was willing to sleep with the Other to knowing she was gonna send Tyler home. I guess I would make sense real quick. Shout out to Ivy Lynn in the chat for shouting out. My other shows saying Tyler is love Island material. Yeah, he would tear up on love Island. No problem. I also want to just quickly shut out tomorrow follow though because she keeps referring to sex as putting the car in the garage, which I just think is a Larry has ever seen that euphemism before and it's great. Okay, let's talk about Peter quickly. Did any of us see him being the windmill Bandit? I did not I Was dead. I know internet definitely led me to believe so shout out to everyone who tweets with are using our hashtag and just the bachelor in general because there were so many screenshots and people piecing things together that made it seem like it was dead, but I'm not I just like that he The Producers absolutely made sure they found a condom right off the bat. Yep, just like they found it in his car. Absolutely right off the bat. I think Peter was gypped. Like did you see everyone else's fantasy suite aside from day. What in a A windmill that that place did not have a see it was probably hot in there literally two rooms. Are you two waiting though? Where is the bathroom? It's not. Nobody is such a condom windmill. That was not she was fine. Just saying Jazz just fantasy suite literally had a pool I would have been in it. I will admit I would have been into that pool. Yeah, but if you want to compare that with Tyler's I'm sure like Pete has taken his fantasy suite every day. Well, he wasted no time. That's for sure. They definitely got busy. I personally felt like Hannah seemed a little unsatisfied the next morning. I disagree fair enough. Yeah. I think she was happy. Okay, I think the fact that he finally said he loved her it was really the Catalyst to like make that night go full steam. It's just like say it dude dance around it so hard it was very painfully awkward, but I think that's all they must've caught when he was like it'd be hard to imagine. She is something like this with somebody else. I tried three other guys, dude, come on, you know, it does it have a bad through everyone's acknowledging the importance of your question Renee, which is much appreciated nothing. I'm just saying, of course it does because they have Lighthouse Keeper. That's what they all say. Oh, no. Sorry. I held on 25 and as of today and I wake up in the middle of the night having to pee all the time. Imagine being with the guy. For the first time alone and you repeat and you're in a goddamn window and his like such a do you go it is pretty ratchet. It's very like guys so grouchy whoever says that's not there's a probably a bathroom in there. Listen. You don't think it has a bathroom. We saw the two rooms in it like that was used for actual purpose to Mill people worked in it. I'm sure there's a repeat outside maybe or maybe there's a hole in the floor. Also in DC correction, we just got the word chip is actually it's derived from Gypsy. Yeah, we will stop we don't know that I'm good for us to know. Okay, anything else nothing huge with Peter besides? I mean the boat the boat was hot, right? What do we think about Peter and Hannah anything else notable to talk about also the weight the boat was Tyler. Yeah. The boat was Tyler. Well, there are two boats. So Peter had the day boat Tyler had the night boats are did that night about all I could About with seasickness day boat with singer. Yeah, I could not do well on a night boat new problems for water, but I know more water than right any thoughts of Peter before we move on to Jet, which was also a very interesting one on one. Let's talk about Chad. Okay. So first of all, their date was like a Grecian family reunions, can someone catch me up on what happened here was like a barbecue. It was very strange some random like family party. I would be so mad if I knew that like one of my competitors got a Private yacht. Yeah, and I was stuck like attending a family a small wedding reception for a family. I didn't know specially when that woman was really grilling Hannah Hannah was like well, I'm still kind of trying to decide be like yo, I'm right here. We're on this date just you and me. Is that it and why are you talking this woman is talking her up about the other dudes. Basically I felt bad for him in that moment. Yeah, because they usually have people like it why one point in the season that like question the couple like one of the couples but this girl was like In for blood like she wanted answers and she's like, oh, it's not it's not the finale will tell me. Who are you going to pay? You don't know. How are you going to find out? It was very interesting. It looks so awkward nature. Whoever was like the millennial in that family was like front and center. This is it was a Debbie's Grecian aunt which it was I loved it. No, it was arguably a really boring date except for their conversation. That's where all the gems were dropped actually felt like Jed asked a lot of poignant questions to Hannah it. Is it sucks that it's coming from him? Because like it's Jedi all the T. That's out about him. But I did I did like their conversation. So it was interesting. Jed was had an existential crisis. This Grecian woman sets something off in him and he had to address the look situation, right then Jed in general had a lot of challenging conversations with Hannah. I think our opinion on Jed the way he handled this it kind of fluctuate it throughout the episode. I personally felt like the more he was Persistent with his disapproval of Luke the worse it got I feel like from to bring it up once I get that you're in a relationship from to bring it up twice. You're starting to push it man. Listen to the girl. You're dating the third time both Hannah and most of our panel was set off by the way. He was handling this right but that was bad right off the bat. Yeah to me. It was bad from the first time ranked 1 for you just don't understand the same thing why guys talk about any of the other guys on their dates? It's dumb just me just maintain super quick. I say just maintain your Should with her but also I just want to drop this in before we get too far into Jed's conversation. I can't see him do anything anymore. I'm not thinking of the girl specific quotes. I wrote down don't want to see her give attention to someone else like your girlfriend. I have a hard time. I saw you having a hard time letting go of things in your life. He didn't like his girlfriend's like I put like a everything he says I just I see same hell. Yeah. The one was he's like, I just don't know if I can trust you moving for ya. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was pretty bad. But I will say I think Jed was the only person this late in the game took who can get away with bringing it to her because although it upset her initially. She definitely came back and tried to like save the conversation. I think she really likes him and he gave her some cold hard truths like I wrote that I did like that. He said to her if you're this close to Forever. Why are you still holding on to something? So uncertain which I thought was valid but then literally in the same breath. That's when he started with makes me think you have a hard time letting go of what's not good for And then it kind of just spiraled into being something worse, but I think that she really does care for Jed the most right now and I think his opinion on what she does still holds a lot of weight because she was willing to kind of meet him in the middle and talk about it. Whereas when Luke expressed his disapproval for what her choices where she completely flipped out and didn't give him a chance anymore. You know what Jed just didn't want her to end up with a liar. Yeah cricket cricket Ripken. Yeah. I mean I the thing Jed had two angles on this one of them was like I don't want you to get hurt but the other one is like I don't want to marry someone who has bad judgment. Yeah, really? He's sort of I was like which one is it? Because one of these is very like selfless and one of these is kind of narcissistic and so it's weird to see him kind of shift between those two depending on what she wanted to hear was like he got serious with her then once he realized she was upset. He was like no what I meant was like, I don't want you to get hurt but so sick of this stop saying things you don't mean it's so annoying between Luke and Jedi. Obviously, I hate them both. But like literally they say something then look I know you're gonna send me home. I didn't mean that well, you said it stop saying things you don't mean I'm so over it and I truly yeah, the first one came from like seeing like it came from a selfless place, but it didn't because you don't have what stem this conversation was the fact that it went down to him and Luke and he thought that he was going to be picked. But I mean, that's the only reason this came from and this was an eagle charity. Like I don't it never came from a place of caring for Hannah. He's he who cares about Jed. God cares about Jed whether he likes Hannah Now isn't thinks he's in love with her now that guy's not in love with her. Maybe he's in fact with or whatever but to considering how he entered the show. I can't taken seriously and I don't think he should trust his own feelings based on the decisions. He's made I mean almost everybody who's commenting on it in the chat is saying that this was him trying to get sent home. Yeah that's business him pulling the ripcord. So interesting, that's a hot take I like that. What's interesting get it he could have gone full blown, but then he didn't. I mean you can also just leave I actually don't totally agree with you guys. I actually do think Jetts van pretty hard for Hannah at this point. I think he's clearly proven himself to be someone who has serious relationship issues. Right? Like I think he's someone who probably said the same things to Haley and maybe believe that he had fallen for her to he has commitment issues. But I actually I think he feels like he is deeply in love with Hannah and 80% of what he was saying to Hannah. I did feel like he thought was to try to protect her before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. You can follow your favorite podcast. So you don't miss an episode premium users can even download episodes to listen to offline wherever they are and you can easily share what you're listening to with all your friends and following on Instagram. You haven't done so already be sure to download the Spotify app and search for AfterBuzz TV on Spotify or browse podcasts in the your library tab. Also, make sure you follow us. You never miss an episode of AfterBuzz TV. I think he can also just leave I actually don't totally agree with you guys. I actually do think Judds falling pretty hard for hand at this point. I think he's clearly proven himself to be someone who has serious relationship issues. Right? Like I think he's someone who probably said the same things to Haley and maybe believe that he had fallen for her, too. Ooh, he has commitment issues. But I actually I think he feels like he is deeply in love with Hannah and 80% of what he was saying to Hannah. I did feel like he thought was to try to protect her. I don't know I didn't in his itm. He literally said it came down to me and Luke and I just you know, why would she like this is all coming from him. Not once they say, you know what I'm getting really worried because it's nearing the end of the process and Lucas still around and now you know Hannah he's dead though. Not that's enough. Down the second time but I'm telling you he corrected himself all big. Why don't I feel a little bit of both. I think your pride is definitely her as it should be when you're standing next to someone like Luke regardless of all the things we know about him. We're just judging in that moment. I think he was definitely grappling with his sense of Pride and being upset and caring about. Okay. Yeah, how can you try anything? He says they need like we're head is at right now. She's trusting it, but we're looking from the perspective of what we know at this point because we're watching him. I don't believe what he says because he's an Known liar what we know from him is that he's lied. It has manipulated woman before so why would I now believe that he has good intentions. He literally came on the show while having a girlfriend for music and now all of a sudden he does care about Hannah and not Jed when the whole reason he came on the show was for dead baby in the chat. Perfect. Comment. Jed was a shame that his mom told him. It's so true. It's so true. Well you either way it was interesting to watch a couple kind of navigate feelings in real time. That's one thing to show this. Sure has a tendency to edit the content out of the conversations. It'll have these long conversations are just like I just need you to tell me how you feel, but I can't tell me how you feel. So to actually hear feelings Quantified for like 15 minutes of the show is nice to hear Jed speak through what he was thinking and to hear Hannah speak there what she was thinking right? I'm curious what you guys think and what the chat things at this point at least or at any point. Do you guys think Jed ever expected his girlfriend to come out and for and for that to be made light? To everybody or do you think this entire time he was like, my secret is safe. Like everything's going to be fine. I don't know similarly to how he didn't handle the situation with Haley. I think he just didn't think that he would have to handle the situation. Yeah, if you got further along in the process, I don't think he thinks he thought it was just a own of a Mickey Mouse. He was too well either way Hannah forgave him pretty quickly. They went to their villa which had a pool that's pretty dope and they quickly shut the door move right to the bed and things got wild in Jed's words a little wild that next morning did seem very that seemed the most intimate to me. She seems satisfied. She seemed satisfied and the morning after faces. Yes, and their conversation was very sweet. Like it was very lovey-dovey. Yeah, our great looks like we do have to move on. She was sandwich I'd left but I think the way she looked at Judd leaving was he seems like someone I would pick in the way. She said goodbye to Tyler leaving was like I hate that I have to say goodbye to him. That's sort of how I read both of those goodbyes Okay, Tyler. Well, I don't even know where to start with this Luke Luke. I'm sorry Luke. I think this every episode, you know, someone's name wrong. We're talking about Luke P the dates find we even have to talk about it take a helicopter, whatever whatever whatever. He was the best kisser know what she jumping I guess had a standard for kissing is does he? To eat my face. He just like Lily did her face I want it was the weirdest at it because she's like he is the best kisser tells her it was like I was watching stranger things season 3 got chicken seasoned. No spoilers. No spoilers. Okay by far more importantly that any of this is they go to dinner. They could not have asked for better weather for this scene. First of all this great stuff Luke starts by talking to you. So, you know, I love you, but now I want to talk about what I want because What I want matters a lot. What did he say exactly? I want it the way I want it and let's talk about sex and is excited at first. Yeah. She likes to talk about. Yes. She's sexual person, which is fine. Yeah. I thought that was really important that as soon as he says she was like, yeah, and then I was like Luke, I know you're going off a cliff right now. She's so many quotes here. But basically what he told her is if you've had sex with one or more of these guys, I am not interested in being your husband. Yep. Yeah, and hey, A gave us a 12 minute monologue, but you might have misunderstood him. I don't think that's what he said, right? That's not exactly what kind of punch him in his actual face for that because there was no way he could try and say he was misquoted like you guys he's literally been doing this all season. This was just the picture-perfect moment of that and it's like Hannah finally just the light bulb went off and I was like, oh my God, like literally this whole thing of her doing this was such a mood because this was me all season of my God. Why don't you get it like And she finally got it. I know in the chat from even before we got started. A lot of people were on the fence about how she handled it. I mean do you guys think also do you think it was still satisfying even though we saw this moment many times over that premium because we did wonderfully saw her full reaction and a lot of it totally like you're saying is a yes, my like finally finally finally he's kind of getting it. Yeah. I mean, it's there was just quote after quote of poetry from Hannah. I was so impressed. I mean As much as we complain about her ability to articulate this was the most articulate. She's ever been. I was like thank God for all this pageant training finally paying off. She had all these amazing sound bites. Shoot what you say really in my heart over and over again. You made me break my own heart for caring about you. You showed me all these red flags. I finally have Clarity I was like, this could not have been better for the producers this moment this Redemption Arc for Hannah. Yeah, this one I mean, this was like good TV, right? It was great and I loved the line she threw about the fact that that he did so many other things that would have made him ineligible to be her husband. She looked past like that was like the perfect thing to add in there because she totally flipped it on him like, you know throwing in the Bible verses like he without the first stone or sorry. I'm totally butchering it was without sin cast the first stone. I was just oh my God, you're holding your stone. Yeah. I think she did a great job. She said pretty much everything. The only thing I wish she added was that how he gaslights and manipulates but aside from that He did a really good job. However, I'd like to point something out that I really noticed this episode that goes off her pageant training. Do you realize that Hannah doesn't react to things the way normal people do where you're like. Hey if you're like, hey Rene, you're stupid and I'd be like Hannah would go. That really upset me like so take a moment. She always takes a moment cause every time I'm like, what is she feeling for the first like five seconds and then she'll be pissed like with a conversation with Jed even with the thing with Luke it took her a few second minute. I'm mad about this. Yeah, like process what she's thinking and I'm gonna throw it to the chat. Do you guys like that or do you think it's more disingenuous? Do you think it's good? Because she's like thinking through before she acts. What do you think because I can't do that like the pot like totally turn off and pause before I emotionally Respond to something. Yeah, that's not a skill that I personally have I'm way too quickly. But as someone who's giving her a lot of shit for mumbling over her words and maybe not handling things properly. I'm okay with her taking a beat to kind of gather herself being that she is the lead especially if it's going to deliver like this. Yeah, especially in this instance where she was not expecting him to say that it's celebrity holier than now didn't even acknowledge like like I've hooked up with a lot of girls, but for the last three years my saving my virginity for me and it also we talked about this a lot on Married at First Sight because there's a virgin on their saving herself for I guess now her marriage but if he is going a really really religious way with this to me his potential life making out with these guys all over the place right and topless and this and that and she's very kind of sexual. Free kind of person wouldn't that be how did he not see that? That's that's a racist range is like however, we feel about sex and our own personal lives. He's allowed to want to marry the person he wants but for sure for him to have such an inaccurate picture of who she was after spending all this time shows what a self-centered person he was he just handled everything here wrong. Yeah, like there's a version of this that where you say, you know, I've got to be honest. I feel insecure about the fact that you're sleeping with other men or you know, there's a way but that's not what it was for. I know it wasn't this was a way to control her. Whereas. Yeah, he did get flags that she would she's a sexually free. I mean I have in red flags, but for him his own red flags, whatever that she's more sexually free and he probably knew that she would want to have sex or do something in these fantasy suite. So he uses as a controlling manipulative tactics like get be like, oh, well, I'll leave if if I you do and then when he realizes that wasn't working that's why he retracted and was like, I won't leave will work through it. It was just it was strange. To have such intense blinders up all season and create a picture of Hannah that was just never there. It's interesting. I kind of grew up in this culture where there's like this spiritual male leadership culture, but this is a classic example of someone who like takes that like leadership Authority that like the Bible talks about and just pushes it way too far and misunderstands what it means. He wasn't listening to Hannah. He never even considered apologizing. He was actively hurting someone and wasn't able to apologize. That's one of the biggest red flags. I think if you're with someone who isn't able to see that you're hurting hurting and say you're sorry. That's just he he needed to go absolutely and he's totally misconstruing Christianity here because we're all sinners in the eyes of God, but he washes our sins away not to get to like religious here. So it's like you're not even practicing with your preaching you're going to continue to hold her sins against her and act like your holier-than-thou. It just it's a very weird position to take this especially I missed it. Whoever put it in the chat. I'm so sorry if I can get back to it really quick Avalon Park Avalon Park, that's right, but wait, Kids reacting now and really summoning this religious stuff when he was the first one to take a shirt off and start making out with her back at the house and it was episode 1 right? It's okay when he doesn't such a conundrum in contradiction, it makes no sense. That's just that's just literally awesome than you guys. He's just been a hypocrite all season. This has been him all season. I'm glad that it was so blatantly obvious tonight and that Hannah realize it also. Thank you ABC for doing this on my birthday whether you I knew it or not. Thank you birthday days. There's an add a door is opening. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear and a happy birthday to you is our birthday cake. Yeah, so there. Birthday cake bites counts, I'd make a wish but my wish already came true all that head at what it was for Luke to go home guys. Perfect birthday gift to you in return. All right, we are going to go to come on it's time it's time and then the favorite line that we didn't even mention yet before. I leave can I pray over you? Oh, that was awesome bad. How else can he go out mean? I miss that. He said that's what he said. Can I pray over you before I go really guys all the Christianity like he was like, all right. I'm dying on this sword right here. This was definitely a boy. This was an L for American Christianity tonight. Unfortunately, okay. Can we I think we should go quick the quickest news ever quickest news ever kissed Chris Jericho seen that we gotta get our way out of here so Peters ex-girlfriend, her name is Kaylee Lutz. She came Gordon said that he dumped her months before the show. We have a picture up right now. It's an ETA exclusive of Peter and Kaylee. They were at a Halloween party together. This is another photo up of them vacationing in Switzerland, which they went to within the five months band that they were dating. So they apparently got really serious and right before Christmas four months before filming he broke up with her and now she's come forward because she feels like he's being disingenuous on the show and she wants to just call attention to it, but III think that this This is any worse than what Jed did with his girlfriend. I don't think it's worse. I think its a I mean we weren't there in the relationship. So I don't know if like maybe there he was already feeling something or if you literally dumped her just to go on the show. I will say he did break up with her before going on the show. Maybe he wasn't feeling it like that to be honest. I can't totally on him until I have more details. Where's Jed like you got to break up with someone before getting engaged to someone else and also not promise to come back to them in that way. I think what Jed It was arguably worse. You guys can go to ET online to check out more details about it. Peter did some shady things like completely scrubbing any trace of this girlfriend the day after they broke up and also heater following a bachelor producer the same day. There's more details up there. That'll kind of maybe change your mind on this. I'll be curious to know what you guys think let us know in the comments. She bought Peter the condoms. It all depends on when he applied. It was accepted to the show. You guys was 600 of you. Make sure just give us a thumbs up. Right now come on. Sooner on the timeline that I don't know how to work how to work YouTube. This is she was a thumbs up. I'm going to kindly ask our listeners to hop on iTunes and give us those five stars. I'll keep it quick but it helps us so much you guys and we will review reviews on are you could be your social Handles in there and we will read them and it clicked waiting for we got clearance to do a quick quick tweet. So I got the first one it's a Mean Girls reference. You guys know that the gym teacher from Mean Girls who talks about not having sex they put Luke's face on it says don't have sex because you won't get pregnant and die hashtag The Bachelorette coal, which one's next. We're waiting. Oh my sweet from Rachel at Rondo three girl. It's Jesus walking into the men tell all to defend Hannah having sex with him from America's Next Top Model. It's great. This is mine Hannah saying my husband would never say what you said to me and then Bachelor Nation saying is it cool if your husband has a girlfriend and this last one is mine is from a wise Twitter user named at Renee are real. Isn't she smart? I have told you these emotions smart call Young for humility. 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Hey, welcome to the weathering effect. This is episode 22 and today is intent of November. I'm Bank out opal, but everyone calls me bank and I am dead your dad's versus known to the rest of the internet today. We're going to talk about some Minecraft, but first, let's all remember that bank almost screwed that intro up.Yeah, I did. I forgot to change last week sentence. What have you been up to Banks? All right, though. Well, mostly celebrated my birthday adventure with a bigger family. You got to like spread it out. So not everyone can be there at the same day. Yeah, which is kind of nice for the rest. I don't know. I just watch Pirates of the Caribbean like the the series the whole thing with my girlfriend through the week. That's about it. Had a little bit of lace. You can say it sounds like a lazy week. Yeah, well, so it's kind of nice though. Yeah, and what about you but if you've been up to for the most part during the week my day today, I've been reading The Witcher book. Oh, yeah, then really getting into that thing. Yeah, you told about that in stream as well. Other than that. I had my streams on Friday that I've been doing. I played around the bed. Was it chunky program for Minecraft? It's like a 3D rendering. Of your Minecraft world. Okay. I really wanted to get a 3D render of last season's base. Hmm. It didn't work. Basically the chunks that were the island that we were on and comic craft. Yeah, black blank, whatever it was. They I mean they were far out that my turn. Oh I could get to the chunks and then the chunks right like you remember if you went South to Snow biome that was just a couple hundred blocks away. Yeah that rendered in just fine. Okay, but basically everything we had built was all kinds of messed up and after that's yeah, I spent hours messing with it trying to get it to work and it didn't so I was a little disappointed if somebody can try to help me and tell me what I'm doing wrong and chunky I'm using the most up-to-date version. The one that says hey you can use those for Minecraft there. 13-point something plus and my worlds are in 114. So that's plus 114 of whatever anyways, so it didn't work out. I felt like I wasted half a day, but I would love to see the program work because I think you could do some really cool stuff. And I think especially my base this season would look really cool being rendered like that. Other than that in stream, we worked on that villager trading room. I went ahead and put villagers in the village or trading room and played around with the new 114 mechanics. I like them. I like them a lot. Yeah, I like to add a new villagers work super simple. So curious for that Inky program. I've not heard of that. I'm kind of curious but a 3D rendering of your world. That sounds sounds interesting. Huh? It looks very cool. I'll send you a link after this. Maybe we can get Carl to put a link in the show notes to for anyone else who's interested in it. But I yeah, I'm curious for it. It sounds like some little to replay malt but different. Yes. Which yeah, that sound like chunky does the high resolution 3D renders, whatever basic kind of Google Map ish. But yeah, so I was like, oh man, that would look really cool bubble. Nope. Definitely not didn't work. That's I mean, I remember having a lot of issues with replay mild as well getting it started. It was worth all the effort and yeah, well see for the most part I was like, it's got to be me. I'm Idiot here. I'm doing something wrong. And then after 6 hours, it was no this stupid programs. Idiot, what stupid stupid stupid and yeah, just quit, but more than likely I'm doing something wrong, but I could get other chunks to load just fine. It was just the chunks were we played 90% of the game did not work? What was it? Like a fresh will download maybe you had downloaded it before and those chunks were updated to to like newer version that might have it cost issues. Maybe maybe can't handle 114, even though it says 113 plus. Yeah, maybe that could be it. So maybe I should just go to the website and download an old version of the map and try again without updating. That could work. Who knows? I don't know. I'll guess I'll see you at some point if it worked out and I want to try tonight. Thanks Bank. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, and if you guys hear something back on that swabby coming home, welcome home. I try to edit as much as that out of the camp. So I guess let's go on to the news. Yeah, you you had done some research on it or well looked it up like yeah, so we had a new snapshot this week 19 W 4 85 a not a ton of stuff with it basically bees would get lost searching for hives or whatever. So they've expanded it from I think it was like five blocks and out ten blocks and if a hive gets destroyed they can go find a new Hive just I didn't know too much about be so I always like to sort of keep it fresh for for when they actual dates there. So I didn't know about yeah them getting lost and stuff, but sure I didn't either. Also, it's like you share a hive or whatever. You collect honey, whether it be the bottles or shearing it or whatever the bees used to come out all Angry like an attack you now they don't I think it's from Exuma is video. That sounds nice the other updates that came with this were composters. The crafting recipe has changed. So it matches the Bedrock version so you can craft it with wooden slabs now. Okay, I think before it was blanks and then one wooden slab. Yeah. Yeah. I like that makes it more simple. I do too. There was some change textures and that has so basically the rendering engine still a work in progress. So a lot of stuffs getting fixed, right? Yeah, that makes sense. But other than that, it was still a small simple update. There is a bunch of like little bugs, but I didn't feel it was worth us to go through a list of like 40-something bugs that got fixed just to say Such and such fix such fixed if you guys are curious like the notes for the snapshots are on Minecraft main website. So this sounds like they're getting close because the snap Shields don't do that much lately anymore. It's well, they made mention during Minecon that 115 was going to be out by end of year. Exactly. I think they'll I mean it sounds like they might be getting them. I'm really curious to see how this new rendering engine works. I'm wondering if it's going to still be CPU heavy compared to other games that require a lot out of you GPU and less out of your CPU. I just hope the game runs better. I do too. It would be really nice not to depend on not be fine. But we all know we're still going to use it just for the zoom key. I mean any any increase is nice right if you just Even at like my game kind of runs fine, but I'd like to have that like bigger viewing distance and I kind of noticed like it'll get easier that would be when I was dreaming I had frame drops all the way to the 60s for some reason. Yeah. I remember that I had the same issue wasn't sure about that. I thought it was because I was streaming because I was screaming and playing the game from the same PC. But if you were still having that problem too, and I don't know what's going on. I mean, I didn't notice it until I looked at the frame so it wasn't really anything visible than I did notice my frame short lowered. I'm normally yeah. But yeah, that's it for the Minecraft news. Shall we move on? Yeah, we have a disk or it's a great place to hang out with fellow weathering effect numbers talk about the episodes and we sometimes I'll questions to what you guys think for a new topic. Yeah. It's just a great way to get in contact with us and other people join. The discs are links in the show notes. Yeah talking about a comments from people who listen we have an email from frankly. This is about last episode where we talked about an update to the end. Yeah, I remember that good job. It was a less than we could exactly. Okay. So their email stage. Imagine if you will a void squid, I'm liking this so far a bioluminescent like the deep sea fish that Globe squid that swims quotation marks here because it is the void Swims through the void like an Overworld squid swim through the ocean slightly larger, but still a passive mob that drops bioluminescent ink sacs that can be used to die die. I mean, that's a great idea. We'll hang on there's more to the comment, but the way Carl put it in here to put everything in the Box. Okay, I mean so far. I'm really like yeah. Okay. Let me catch up to it. So it would die diable blocks. Okay, I'm good with that to give off a faint glow. So I guess you could create light blocks out of stuff. That's not light blocks. So like it could be considered a light block that could be cool. Maybe a light level of for a 5 so it wouldn't be enough to stop mobs spawning, but it would be enough to give. Give cool-looking light effect. Yeah, that would be awesome to create like ambiances and stuff. He mentions it would be another thing to farm in the end. I realized but it would also be a cool Ambiance and light source with a bit of diversity to it. Really enjoy getting withered you guys. Thanks for the great content Frank the squirrel. Thank you for your comment. I agree with the bioluminescent squid. I uh, I really like the like squid scrumming swimming through this guy. Even if you just picture it that sounds amazing, even if it didn't drop any kind of useful drops, like he's our they're saying for light blocks or anything like that. Even if it was just a mob that just swam around in the void that glowed. Yeah, it's cool. It's another reason to visit the end. Yeah, that would make it a I don't know. I think that would look really yeah. I dig it. Maybe maybe it could buy some job that you Could use to put on a beacon that would have the beacon effect work but not put that stupid ugly laser beam all the way up through the sky. Oh, yeah like yeah, that would be nice. I don't always like the be don't either but even if we use that to make kind of a accent lighting blocks, I'd be cool with it. Mmm. I like I like the just creating an Ambien. Uh, yeah, I do that with redstone torches every once in a while. Oh, yeah, they do. I've never tried it with redstone torches. So she tried good well in your favor Tinder chest. They also put out little light levels to that's true. But they sing and I'm going to test this. I don't know. It's not the prettiest. Look it's really not there isn't much everywhere. I usually hide it under carpets. Oh, that's that's actually a pretty good idea. But I had turned my particles down so you can't see it under the carpet either. Oh, yeah, I do have to mow moles, which might I don't know. I should I'll try and think of those things a little bit more. I haven't thought of that too much. Yeah nice. My nose is like decided to run as soon as we started recording. So I'm going to hopefully cut all these sniffles you hear out. If not, I'm sorry, and I'm just going to blame Carl. I mean, it's wintertime. Those things are gonna happen will see I went and I played football today. So I was outside for like two three hours a day. Nice. Yeah, I mean it'll it'll get you a runny nose, I guess a little bit but that was hours ago. I shouldn't have a runny nose. I guess that also means that you're like fully healed with the I don't know what the missiles gold again loot. Yes, I am fully healed a funny story. So along with Terra my glue. I ended up pulling my right groin that heal faster than the glute but yesterday are not yesterday. But Friday at work. I was moving a bunch of inventory around and I had to pull something off the bottom shelf to lift it up and carry it to weigh it. And when I lifted it up and turned my left groin went pop and I went sort of a really bad word really loud. I think that's Justified. Yeah, so that was for the rest of their but luckily I didn't take all my pain medications because I'm not a fan of pain medications. So I had a lot of it left over and basically Friday night when it Heal on its own Saturday. I took some meds and I woke up to a hundred percent fine. So yay sweet. So let's stop ranting about my crotch area because that seems to be a Hot Topic lately. I mean you got an accident or well Noble action and put an injury. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah. Should we move on to the real topic of discussion instead of my Groin, I think that's that's a better idea that so for this week, we decided a lot of weeks we end up trying to improve this game or bash it for dumb ideas, but it really is a game. We love like thank you. I mean you can easily say Minecraft's your favorite game, right? Yeah same here. It's a game. We love the most so today instead of bashing it. We're trying to improve it. We're going to do a top 10 list. Of things we love about Minecraft, right? I think yeah, I was going to say I think you did them in order for me. It's I don't know. I don't think I could number them. Okay, so my top ten list is in order to make it good, right? Yeah. So are my top ten list isn't order Banks is just banked pretty much so I'll read mine off in order and then you tell me which if you have one that matches close to it or what you had. And that point good. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Right? So for my number 10 I said you could play the game your way. So if you like to play a survival, you can play a survival if you like to build but you weren't so much into you know, getting blown up by creepers. You can play Creative Mode. Maybe you don't like to build but you like to kind of PVP or physics figure out puzzles. So you got adventure mode and those custom maps stuff like that. Minecraft can be played in so many different. Ways it doesn't matter what you like and don't like you're going to have something to play when you play Minecraft. Yeah, that's that's pretty close to what I will say what I at that there's there's a lot of like diversity in the game. There's so many different communities. She got technical communities to minigame communities and our key map maker. She got people like us who just play Survivor. There's so many different communities and I think that's awesome that there's a fit for everyone. But exactly I hundred agree with that. I mean when I first started playing this I was basically a creative mode only player. And then I got into the survival game by kind of being forced into it now. I can't really play any other way. Oh nice II started in survival, but I occasionally played like mini games and stuff and I enjoy doing that. I think that's cool. Yeah, let's go to number 9 the challenge of the black shape. Everything's a block which means you have to be creative when designing a circle and know how to count as Bank in a test. I can't count circles to save my life in Minecraft, but I love to build in circles because of the challenge of the square. Yeah, the challenge of making a circle look nice in the game is its kind of awesome. It's a good feeling when it works out. Yeah, so the challenge of Designing something. I mean with an architecture degree background is like, how can I make this block look good? That's not a block. So I really enjoy that so I haven't done as number 9 on my list. Again, that was a close one to what I at. I mean, I like the fact that it's a block game. You can make so many things just out of a block and then the challenge like you said like making a shape out of that block, but also it gives sort of evens the playing field between people are like for example, really good painters or people who can't draw obviously Minecraft is different, but it sort of evens out the playing field for the good one. Between the bat one, huh? Well, it's which I think is awesome until you get to the certain guys on my credit who do the crazy like Angel sculptures out of like the black there are a couple of more like Beyond. Yeah get those guys tested. That's insane. Yeah, but just a the fact that you can do so much with the blocks. It's I don't know. It's awesome. It really is so number eight. I put customized skins because it's something you And doing a lot of games is to create somebody who is a fit for you you go. Hey, this is me in this game. Like hmm. I personally am visualizing this guy when I play the game and stuff like that. Most of you got to play at somebody else or something some other game developer created like you have to choose hairstyles that was created by some guy behind a desk facial structures and stuff like that and Minecraft you can just go to the internet and Paint yourself on this 3D model. Anyway you want and it's awesome. I mean those people who made like Stone skins right said he could hide it from the first hand upside down skins and I like the fact that you can do that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's really cool more games should definitely bring that to the plate as common courtesy as I'm going to say probably not the best phrase where I could see how it would be It can see how it would be hard for like other games obviously like because it's low-key and low resolution Minecraft as a great option very true for it. But I mean you look at high tail, which is coming out even they don't have a custom skin generator. You still have to pick I mean there are thousands of options on their things, but you still have to pick pre-made model pieces to use. Yeah. Yeah, I agree Minecraft Stephanie unique in that, huh? Number seven freedom and building styles. So when you go to the creative side and you go to the survival side the fact that you as long as you think it you can basically make it you can go modern and do a very clean Sleek build. You can do castles you can do the giant 3D angle Angels structures that we see but yeah, the fact that it nothing is off limits. You can build anything. Long as you can imagine in your head and I really like that. I mean for some for some things that's really hard to do. But I mean it can be done and I agree. That's a really cool thing about Minecraft. Yeah. Now this is where we start to differentiate I think. Mmm, well the last one already. Did you want me to like with my yeah, go ahead. All right for number eight. I had a different one for me. It was it was a not necessarily something in the game. But I like that Minecraft told me to chill down and then I guess I was always like really efficient in games like just pretty much straight to the point. Yeah, and there's no in Minecraft. There's no point doing. That and and now I'm like when I'm building, I'm just like I'm building this for building sake which I would have no verbal and I really like that Minecraft sort of guide me into that. I agree 100% because I used to be basically all about sports games and first-person shooters. So there is a huge Competitive Edge and constant like yelling at the monitors and Minecraft. There's no point. It's just yeah, there's no goal to work through really except for the goals. You set for yourself. It's basically fulfill your imagination. That's the goal of mine yet. Yeah, that's what I really like about about the game. What about your number? Seven? What do you have for that? I like that Minecraft managed to sort of create an infinite Randomness. Yeah for worlds like the seats the amount of seats. You can get are pretty much infinite. Like there's no one person that can go through all of them. And then in those seeds the worlds are so huge. There's so much that can be generated and things that you can do. Discover I think that's awesome. I agree. I mean there are websites dedicated just to Minecraft seeds. Yeah, and there's I mean like pretty much when you can think of it. It's going to be in a seat somewhere right because there's so many seeds. Let's move on to number six for me. And this one kind of goes with number 10. I said games within the game and I guess a lot of people would immediately think well the minigames like Bed Wars and uh see and stuff like that and you'd be right but also things like if you're watching hermitcraft this season you had greens tag game and now they're hot potato game. I mean, these are just stupid little games that you can do with relatively nothing. I mean, they used a name tag in a poisonous potato to things that are relatively unused most of the game, especially the poisonous potato and they created their own little mini game within the game to play while they're building a stuff. I think that kind of creativity is awesome and it's all about Minecraft blending inspiration to do something like that. Yeah, yeah, I agree that that's a you found out nicely. It's really subtle like type of minigames. It's more like social with Direction. It's almost a thing to encounter in like it's student home. So I guess like were a couple of like college kids lifting. Yeah, and they would play those kinds of games. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I like that. What's your number 6? My number six I like that. There's a lot of different ways how you can transport yourself. Hmm. You can fly with the lighter you can use boats and then you can use boats on Ice. If you build the road for it, you can use our horse and a donkey you can even write a big and then all these Transportation options like they all have heat own like pros and cons. Yeah. I think that's really cool that they offer that that much variation and just simple getting yourself from A to B. Mmm. I agree and not to go off on a tangent like we normally do but I read somewhere that you can use buttons like ice with boats now. Rinse instead of putting. Oh, that's so yeah. So instead of putting ice down you can put buttons down and glide across them like they're ice. Now again, I mean that's obviously cheaper this this was from a Reddit post. So, I don't know if it's actually true, but that's cool. I mean, I guess you've recently saw that this week if it's true for the use will be popping up soon. I guess on YouTube. Well, I kind of had the feeling now that I remembered this that I'm going to jump on the server afterwards plays a bunch of buttons down to see if it works. Oh, yeah, that's I mean it sounds easy to dry out. Was it really just just fun? It's just okay. I don't know if they had ice feels up to the buttons. And it just kind of continue the momentum, but it was just it was buttons on another rack from the video clip. I saw okay. I mean it will be awesome. I shall we get back to ya so do the topic so my number five is mueang makes her own game and doesn't follow Trends and by this. I mean the big thing that's going around right now and Trends a video game is the Battle Royale Minecraft started the Battle Royale with uh season stuff. Yeah, that's actually kind of true. Yeah, I mean granted there were Battle Royal gave us before Minecraft you ACS, but that's the first extremely popular one. I can remember and then it kind of went dormant and then they had all these other battle royales and they're like, well fortnight's the grandfather battle rails. It's like no Minecraft was doing it way before and to me way better. Well, yeah those were just kinda again like the games would in the game, right? Which is and then yeah Mojang. This one is once read and they go better you look at the micro transaction and loop box Trend that's happening at My Graph doesn't have that. I mean there are mods that have it but that's not mowing learnings not doing that kind of sets are not trying to implement tons of stuff like that. So granted I think in the all the windows Edition and stuff. Yeah you have Things you can buy there is a sin to were there. But to me, I think most of that stuff is like third-party create stuff like me and you would create stuff to put on the store or whatever. I don't think it's actually million doing most of it. But I again, I can't speak much for the Bedrock and Windows 10 version. Most of our stuff comes from java because that's the version me and Bank play. So remember that before you go will judge is an idiot. He doesn't know about the Windows 10 store. It's like yeah I do, but I don't really Think of it because we play Java. So most of everything we do is from the Java point of view, so don't bash me. I think I think people should be fine with it. I what about you? What was your number five? Yeah, let's go to say I did different points for number 5 again. I really like the villagers. Uh-huh. There are the devil also mechanic there like shops, but you can also make them work and then they sort of especially now since that update they sort of live in their Village and do all kinds of things. I think that's awesome. You don't see that often in games with like sandbox. Yeah, so Years I had on my list. So when I made this list, I had like 20 items on the list and then I just chose 10 that I thought were the best villagers were on the original list, but I hadn't at the time played with the much since the update will basically all day today. I've played with villagers and I agree. The 114 villagers are such a huge Improvement. I love it. Yeah, there they make the game. They add such an excellent Dynamic feature to it though. I would say Tango Tex villager mod Mmm, that's really cool too and I wouldn't be upset if marrying said hey Tango, can we still some code and use it in the game? Because you know seeing a villager walk around chopping down trees or guarding an area would be really cool. Yeah, that would make it even better. But the way they are now, I agree a hundred percent. I really like the 114 villagers. I mean, even though old ones I like that system like yeah the basic of it right there soaps you can make them do some work. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Though the wheat farming I don't pay the but yeah as I mean, I got a wheat farm now, but I haven't really figured out how to easily do it till I mean villagers do not need that much bread. That's all I'm going to say. That's a lot of carbs. Why are these villagers not so fat? It's Minecraft. Yeah, I mean if you can lift so much goals. You couldn't do that in real life. Don't tell me what I can't do Bank pull another groin muscle if I have to. Okay enough about going back to number 4. You can customize everything you can Custer eyes. Yeah. Terrain the textures the crafting recipes your skin going back to number eight everything you see in the game. You can change to make it your own and that is super awesome. Well, and it seems like they're working through other words making that easier as well. Like what was it won't be 1812 I'm saying carefully they'd added Like Glue tables, right? Yeah, which made it so much easier to customize how what dropped from open all that. I think changing mobs is getting easier with the data packs and all that. You can do a lot of cool stuff. Yeah. It really is a game where you can completely personalize the game. The only thing I will say is that I think terrain customizations taken a step back with these last updates because remember You set down for hours coming up with code to do a custom train for our common craft world. Well, you have two sliders and stuff. Right? And then yeah, I remember that that yeah, they did take a little step back and Implement that bag and I will be a hundred percent okay with it. I seem to remember you you mentioned once that they were working on that they were they just took it out for a little bit while they were working on it or something. I want to say. I remember reading that it was supposed to be back for 113 like one of the later 113 updates and then I got like push. under the rug and nobody's talked about it since and now we have these biome updates that aren't getting update for like two years. So I kind of think the custom terrain generation things going to get pushed back even further now. I mean, maybe they're running through some issues and just are working it out in the background and they were like, well, we still gotta continue of grading the game. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like a tricky thing getting the terrain generation down. What about you? What's your number four? I like to I mean they got some Different crafting systems, I guess you got crafting brewing and enchanting and I like how they made it all their own system. Like if you take a look at Skyrim, for example, like the the brewing and the enchanting and the crafting it's all kind of the same thing. You just select some items in the menu and then click OK and here it it really is star own sort of system, which I really like. I like that to put the effort into that I agree because it lends It's really well to my top three things, but I won't skip ahead yet. But yeah the fact that you have a bruised and you have to use and you have all these different Farms to get supplies for just brewing you create forums for enchanting like the Enderman farm and blaze farm and stuff Grinders like that is their own little thing in crafting itself. There's so many different ways to craft except I think now with the craft Book I didn't like the crafting book when I saw it and I almost put it in the list here. Well, I'll get so we had the crafting book when I started on PS4. That's where I started to play Minecraft and then I came to Java. Okay, and it didn't have the crafting book which made me extremely mad because I was constantly on craft a pedia or whatever. The Minecraft Wiki is looking up recipes and stuff and I I hated it and then a year later, I'm knowing recipes off the top of my head like it's nothing and you'd always get the people on the server like hey, what's the recipe for this and you say so it would give yourself some communication to the other people which I really like that. So I went from hating not having the crafting book to loving the fact that it wasn't there. And then now that we have the crafting book back. I love / hate it. As one I can flip through recipes like it's nothing I can make blocks fast. And that is great when you're doing like iron blocks and stuff like that making fences and stuff. The downfall is I don't remember recipes to save my life. Now the other day I went what is in a comparator. It's like many comparators all the time. Why can't I remember what's in a comparator? See? I really like the grafting book because You got all the recipes like you don't have to really remember them all so it's sort of it's a list of what blocks you can have in the game. Yeah, that that helps me during building. It's just a great way to get some inspiration. You open the crafting book just scroll through blocks and just look at the books. But I really like the point you made like before you would know the recipes and if we create like jet on the server like Hey, how do you make this and you get something to answer? Yeah, and they sort of Remove that by getting the crafting book. I didn't notice it because for me I just started. I always played on the PC always Java. So I never I just went from having no crafting book to having one which was amazing dog or not. I think the good of the crafting book definitely outweighs the bad. I don't want to put down the craft book at all. If if they were to take it away today. I've like million why Yeah, it's a convenient really is. Okay. So we're on number three now, right? Yeah. My number three was redstone. All the stuff I mean obviously I know people would put Redstone a lot higher on their list, but I think I've got two good things above it. But Redstone is what keeps me playing this game building I can get very bored at creating a new far more Automated machine. I can never get bored with that in Minecraft. It's to the point now where I watch a tutorial on a farm and if the farm, isn't that Complicated I'm trying to build my own and that's what happened with my XP machine. I think it's spent three episodes working on that thing plus several live streams because I didn't really look up a tutorial on how to build it. I just said, okay, I want to use bamboo and I want to use Cactus. I did a little bit of quick math. I said, okay, this is how much I need for each way off. I can't count so Yeah Redstone in general the thousands of years that I saw mumbo-jumbo build a house that walked like a spider this week what I know what the amount of stupid stuff you can do with red stones amazing and I love it. I mean, I'm fully agree with you that when I first started playing Minecraft and or when I first realized I started I played it for a while already. Um, I was like, yeah, it's Redstone. Like there's so many survival games out there. I've played so many of them as well and they all they were they couldn't keep me playing it right and and Minecraft has Redstone, which there's almost an infinite amount of options in it. Like it's red. Stone itself is quite old already. Like it's what six years old. Maybe I'm not sure. And they're still discovering to yeah, like it's ridiculous. The last major red. So component they added to the game was The Observer and it's not a wants a huge advancement to Redstone. It's a very good Advance our interests own, but for the most part of the last couple years Redstone has stayed the same and they're still figuring out ways to push Redstone limits. And then they added honey blocks broke Redstone again, which is again like a whole new set of things that are gonna it's not even Redstone Redstone. It's a honey Block. It's sort of it and it yeah, I know right Frank's Redstone. I shouldn't say break redstone. It is the next evolutionary step in Redstone. Well, that's another thing I thought of but I hadn't put it on the list, but I'm just going to mention it. No for it. I mean it's sort of links to it. But the fact that you got things like slime blocks and how many blocks that affect Redstone mechanics and the factor of those like little I didn't know I would almost say unexpected things that happen in the game that I don't think even like Mojang anticipated would happen. I think but powered stuff that that's Redstone specifically it happened. There's a lot of we are things you can do with books Yeah. Well, yeah the Simon dimension of deeper into it. You have the lectern which is not a redstone block. But yeah Redstone you have a cauldron that's not a redstone block but works Redstone you have glazed terracotta that is affected by slime blocks differently. The other blocks same with obsidian and furnaces Waldorf water. I mean, I mean lava when you put lava and water with the Observer, does that still do the random tick? I can't remember if they got rid of that or not, but for a while yet, you have an observer watching lava and water and you get a random tick go off. So I mean, these are non Redstone items that are pushing the evolutionary step of redstone and at the same time, they're not adding Redstone to the game. Yeah, exactly. I mean that yeah, they're still discovering new things like the more time. They get the more they'll discover. Yeah. And it doesn't seem to be an end to it. Now. It really doesn't so I mean the day they come out with like blue stone. I mean heads will explode it was it was a it was a good joke, but I still love to see it happen. I'm the same way both. My monitors just decided to shut off for some reason. Oh, did they go? They just melt your PC do in a while and it went is basically I forgot to move my mouse everyone. While all right. All right, but I see your number three and I think the way you you have to say it exactly how you wrote it because it's hilarious. Yeah, I like that look test. Why do you like it your chest Bank? I mean, I'm not really sure how to put it into words but there's sort of well, you said it it's they're sort of a safe which I think is one of the best words to describe it but you got like a personal safe which you can easily move around, huh? It's such a convenient thing and it's unlike anything. I've really seen I think well in some games you have a chest that sort of one chest and you can open it up places, but I yeah. I didn't know that little chest are great. I agree. I didn't really think about inner chest when doing my top ten list. If I did they probably would have made top 10, but the Ender Chest they they change the game really, especially when you combine them with choker boxes. Yeah, I mean even without yoga books just download test was still a great like the game will be so much harder a lot harder but things could get so much more tedious. If you wouldn't have that. I agree a hundred percent. I'm saying that a lot this episode. So if you guys are getting annoyed with me saying that just like the shut up, they'll start making like me. It's just my skin holding up like a fist to says hundred percent. A hundred percent. What is it instead of omni seal of approval? It's on percent approved by Duds. I wouldn't talk the about this to my Chico's real things are gonna go probably. All right. So should we move on to the next item? I think that's a good idea. So my number 2 item was the multiplayer experience doesn't matter. What game would you? Playing on it's just the fact that you're going to be playing with a friend and I say that because I probably have more friends on Minecraft than I do in real life just from this one game and that's not saying I have no friends in real life. It's just as bad as that really sounds it's just that I have time to play Minecraft more so than like I've got friends who have families and they're constantly busy. So I only see them one to two times a month really if I'm lucky. But bank I hang out with you like four times a week on the game. Yeah, so I mean stuff like that's crazy. You're teaching me Dutch for heaven's sakes because of Minecraft, right? Hey, it's for London. I mean that I've asked you like electronic stuff as well. Like hey, I just yeah, I mean, yeah, you don't get that with a lot of other games if I'm playing Battlefield. I'm not learning Dutch playing Battlefield unless it's how do I say? I'm going to blow your Your head off and Dutch. I mean you just don't get it. You ain't got the time for that Minecraft is such a chill game. You're just hanging out and talking and building. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's I mean we're doing this because of that we really are. I mean, I think I said it as a joke of I'm going to do a Minecraft podcast and then I kept getting bugged. But hey when you starting the podcast and it's like okay when I come up with the name and sure enough me and Yeah, and then we started thinking of and I mean you are on stream and the name of the withering effect came out. I had to take wall crap. I guess we haven't broadcast to start recording and every record once and here we are 12 stuff at 22 weeks later. I know right? That's nearly all for you. You guys are crazy for listening to us this long. Well, I mean, it's awesome that they do. Yeah, but still crazy. This is where hundred percent proof, but Duds comes out. Okay. So what's your number two? I really like that Minecraft does a lot of like small gimmicky things that I kind. Okay, useless in a way like the chorus plant when you eat it it teleports you a little bit that the parrots imitating sounds you got fireworks. You got music discs like there's just why are they there? There's just no reason besides just to have a little fun. Oh, which I think is also we talked about this last episode the parrots not doing certain sounds anymore. Yeah, finally saw why they don't do it. Oh so not doing a polar bear and Enderman or Pigman is because those are neutral mobs. They're no longer going to do neutral mob sounds Which doesn't make sense to me at all? Because they still do like wolf sounds and cats and stuff like that. Those are friendly mobs. I would assume it's like I don't get it. But so I guess they will still do sheep and cows as well. That's what I'm assuming but it's because they're neutral mobs which again I don't understanding get but that was the reasoning behind it because I remember saying if anyone knows the reason tell me and then I saw it on exhume his video, so I figured I'd bring it up in the pot. Past I'm not fully understanding why they do it. But yeah anyways back to your stuff. Yeah chorus plants teleporting around is Goofy and could be fun. Yeah. It's just the fact that they put effort into doing those kinds of things that I like them. I kind of want to build a mini game around eating course plans now, Who you could do imagine amazed that the only way you can get around in is by eating the chorus playing teleporting. I once I could be used to correspond useful that girl's gonna do work better. But if you're on a high Edge like with a steep cliff and you stand like your hover over like the when you when you're almost hovering in the sky when you just press shift and you walk all the way. Yeah Edge and then either course fruit. You have a chance you get teleported all the way to the bottom. So it's a way to like travel safely down a large drop. Basically, I would say that it's good for like, uh see stuff but I don't think anyone goes the end. Don't you HCS so I think they have some but yeah, that doesn't sound like a smart idea. No, especially if you have to fight the dragon as soon as you get to the end. Yeah. No, it's nothing really to get. Yeah, but I mean, I know pearls I guess yeah the gimmicky stuff kind of really cool. I'm trying to think of anything else that could be like that writing a big. Yeah, I said before that. You got a lot of Transportation options and that they're all sort of cool. But I mean a big big sis gimmicky and the fact that you have a what is it rolled with a camera well and you get that achievement When Pigs Fly yeah, so is that still I don't know if it is actually change that sounds means they might have frowned on the making a pig walk off a cliff thing. Oh, yeah, I mean it makes sense animal cruelty and safe. Yeah, but I think our number ones lineup. Yeah, they do a little bit Yeah, they kinda line. So my number one was constant updates for free meaning One Day by the game. You have the game whenever million puts out anything for the game. You have that update. You don't have to constantly pay five dollars here $20 there or like some of these games got to the point where you're paying $60 for the game and it's three months later $60 for an update and then three months after that. $60 for another update you have the game that's like monthly subscription Lee subscriptions. It's like once you buy the game you're in for life. And that's also I don't believe that like like you said like a lot of games like a new game usually around sixty sixty dollars and Euros in those prices are similar. I don't know about other currencies, but I mean, why would ya what Minecraft is like 20 25 It's relatively cheap game as well. Oh, yeah, I mean that's why I have multiple Minecraft accounts. It's because it's such a cheap game and I don't have to worry about buying another copy couple months down the road Mmm Yeah Yeah, like you said they just keep bringing out stuff. They constantly update it you get new stuff and it's all it's all for free. They just keep developing. I mean you look at 113 and 114 by themselves. Those were huge updates to this game granted both of them pretty much broke. Game for the first two months of coming out when they updated. But yeah, but if I mean going to a coral reef in an ocean biome nowadays, I still my jaw drops. It's so pretty. Yeah, I just like being on the boat and going over the ocean all together, but it really gets fun when you get to a goal reef and it was a free update. You don't get that other other places. I want to say Fallout 76 was charging you like 20. Dollars to change the color of your armor to like blue. It's like $20 to change something to Blue. Really. I know that's one reason. I quit playing Destiny. I loved Destiny. It was finally a cool game. That was a shooter that you didn't extremely focus on PVP all the time. So you get with a bunch of friends and goes do random shoot em ups with monsters and stuff like that, but you want Change the color of that armor 599 what know like if it's in the game, it should be in the game. I shouldn't have to buy more. I mean, I feel the same with all these DLC that you usually have to buy and stuff. So I just make an update. It's an update for the game. Give it well the only DLC that I always would buy on a consistent basis was the battlefield DLC and that's because I knew that game only came out once every two years. So if you were to buy the DLC that DLC was guaranteeing you content for two years and I saw it as I paid $60 for basically one year of content and then another $60 for a second year of content and I was okay with it. That's how I Justified. It course Battlefield 5 this last one there. You paid nothing for the DLC anymore. So $60 gives you 2 years of DLC content. The only problem is I don't like the game so That's a bit for that one time. I am sick and tired of historical Warfare. I don't know why they chose World War II after doing World War one because that basically means four straight years of historical War. I'm curious with the ever go like maybe evil. I kind of doubt it Roman Empire of times and stem also really hoping they don't go futuristic. I don't think futuristic warfare's any fun. Well, they did the Star Wars one. Yeah that sucked too. Oh, I are people being quite positive. I'd never play it by the first Battlefront was an okay one and granted there were battlefronts before dice the creator of Battlefield took over and the first one was good. It was just lacking some content and then they came up with the second one that was supposed to be more in-depth and everything like that and it was but it was put behind pay walls. And supposedly this wasn't dices call. This was EA being EA saying hey pay us a ton of money for this game and it got a ton of backlash got thrown through the wringer to the point where basically said, yeah, they said, okay, we're washing our hands of this. We're giving the game fully two dice. Let them do what they do and since then dice has really changed it and turned it around and it's supposedly a top-rated game now, but I'm one of those my trust was broken so I won't go back. I can play it. I get the official even though I loved I said I love the battlefield series, but even Battlefield 5, I think I played for about a month and went no it just put it away. I didn't even pay attention to build a field five anymore. I didn't realize it exists it. Yeah, Battlefield 6 hurry up and get here so I get back to shooting people. But yeah, it's considering we kind of stopped talking about my crops. Shall we? Yeah, and the show that's where I was going with. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. So if you like the show, you can share it with all your friends on social media. If you listen on Spotify, please follow us or if you're listening up were both cast leave us a review doing these things to really helps us reach my listeners. If you'd like to get into contact with the show send an email to both gasp that ripple effect as a bee. 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In this episode, DuDs and Bank take a break from trying to improve the game by bringing you the top ten things they love about Minecraft. Also, snapshot 19W45A is out with improvements to bees, they will now search up to ten blocks in all directions to find a nest or hive to call home. DuDs has issues with Chunky and there's endless talk about crotches for some reason. Chunky Minecraft mapping and rendering tool: https://chunky.llbit.se/ 1.15 snapshot blog post: https://minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-snapshot-19w45a Podcast Website: http://rippleeffectsmp.com/podcast Contact the show: [email protected] The Withering Effect Discord: https://discord.gg/gqnKyeZ The Ripple Effect Twitter: https://twitter.com/rippleeffectsmp Hosts: DuDs YouTube: https://youtube.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Twitter: https://twitter.com/DuDs_vs DuDs Mixer: https://mixer.com/DuDs_vs Banks YouTube: https://youtube.com/channel/UCyg7sNFi_qMG2pRtTM4046w Banks Twitter: https://twitter.com/AardappelBank Banks Mixer: https://mixer.com/BankAardappel Digital Producer:  CarlRyds YouTube: https://youtube.com/carlryds CarlRyds Twitter: https://twitter.com/carlryds Music: DiiKoj YouTube: https://youtube.com/DiiKoj DiiKoj Twitter: https://twitter.com/DiiKoj Podcast hosted by: Anchor.fm

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You're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TB top now. Look there's a jam. There it is, huh? Jonah is that yeah, I'm that good old stock music jam. Yeah. What's up everybody? Welcome and it's a challenge on AfterBuzz TV. We got War of the Worlds were Union. We are covering tonight MTV decided to pack two hours of a were Union into what episode instead of separating them in two weeks, which we found out today. So that was fun that we had to crash watch this thing. So we got two hours of drama and Much everywhere that we're going to try to condense into this show for you guys tonight. So bear with us, we're going to pack everything we can like Cam and Leroy came in Davon and this letter with Theo tape gate a lot of more information and facts about this and what they've all had to say about that zakah Bumble just because it's just how you get a kick out of her your relationship. Just add a little Flair funny Baron, Georgia Polly trying to grow his followers by dating car. We got a lot to get into so mine. Name is Jenna bussiere. Thanks for joining us. We got our full panel. Dan lingered is here. Hi. Everybody does need an in the house today. Daddy. Dan is here Pamela gross Jill's with us. Hey girl, super excited to get into this. There was so much drama and I'm here for Cam's got a lot to say she's already like I'm like itching right now. She just wants to just let it all out and David Christopher's here sweetie. That's me. You just love this drama stuff apart. Love it. I'm David could not be more obsessed with this episode. He hates me hates anything. I was on the couch. I will say we'll get it to our overall thoughts quickly, but I will say at one point. It was so hard to just listen into the drama and everybody yelling at each other because they were constantly yelling over each other that I was hurting my ears and then I would say thinking just let them finish let them talk and then you talk and I was like, oh is that what people are talking about when they comment on our show and they say that we always talk over each other only get a Joanie do that to us all the time not make sense. I totally get it. I'm sorry that we always hear your eardrums. What are you talking about Jen? Because he always does he always have hot takes over so excitable. Let's do it. Alright, so let's get it but overall thoughts quickly quickly. If you look to Leroy's left there was a stool and Shilling was sitting in the dark a little bit. There you go Shadow shaming my I really did love this and there is so much to say my major hot. Take over all observations for me. My takeaways were I have some complete flip Box in that usual favorite Davon turned into a thumbs down for me a usual hater more than anything made sense and turned into a thumbs up for me. And that is Amanda tonight. I am not saying I like her. I'm not saying I don't think she's an awful person. But she made sense. At least whereas some people were just yammering and saying things that didn't add up. I cannot wait to hear about your new found life. but that's not that's not Amanda, but What she was saying her responses her receipts if you will checked out to me they made sense and I'm calling a spade a spade. I said, yes, exactly telling it like it is and a lot of people on reality TV are like I tell it like it is and it's like no you're just obnoxious. She was actually sort of responding and telling it like it is. Okay, like it and David this is not the episode for you and I felt I still felt she was still obnoxious. In fact, I felt like this whole episode is kind of obnoxious. I feel like I was watching Maury or Jerry or something like they could have just a little We cut this down to like 30 minutes or just because I like all the drama that kept getting bring up because sorry I'm a little sick tonight. So my grandpa wears off. Trauma that kept getting brought up one after another. It's like I almost forgot about it. And then when they would introduce it, yes, I'm so excited to hear about this. Yes. I forgot about this act Bumble stuff up because tell me about it. So there are moments of real like, okay, but overall, I mean honestly like I checked out a few times and then I was like, oh, yeah, I like turbo. Yeah. Yeah by the way didn't really talk tonight. He won the whole damn thing, right? So there you go. Just a really quick a thing. The MS is an awesome post. So good at what he does and Lolo Jones was a plant. She was Furniture. She was yeah not there. It was. I think you guys are being way too hard on yellow. I do. I know that she she stirred the pot a lot on her own time and the challenge. I don't know if I can necessary necessarily say I'm a fan of her I think that she's hot-headed. She has a bad temper on the show, but she did great tonight I5 suppose tributed 0 she read some questions off of corn dude, but that's what she was there for. I mean, I thought you she'll personality. She was laughing. She thought somebody I forget. So were we and we weren't being paid to be an extra host? I can't I can't believe you're standing at first. She was awful. I didn't bother me. I'm not sitting here thinking like Lola was awful. Why was she there like, oh they add another home to do like cool like it was fine. It should be like am isn't like she was awful. We're gonna compare she clearly the MS contributes. He knows the people he clearly watched the season and can expand on things. She didn't bother me, but she didn't bring anything to the table either, okay. Let's we got so much to do. Yeah - hop into the first topic that okay. So we have a little bit of Camp to start kill a queen cam at the top. So we hear about the Cayman Leroy situation and we come to find out that they were friends that was never a true label on it. They never got exclusive. They never said you're my boyfriend. You're my girlfriend, but there obviously was strong feelings there which we grasp that sense at least but now we see that camp did go to visit Leroy and Vegas and was staying with Leroy when she also Also, it appears went out with another guy or hooked up with another guy so that Leroy then kicked her out his place where she was staying. I mean to me that story sounds innocent enough. I first for the record. I love Cam and I love Leroy. So it sounds like there's a big miscommunication there something it doesn't it doesn't make any sense to me that she went out with a friend and he thought she was cheating and kicked her out and that was the biggest and they all their they that cause such a riff I There's some more to the story that we don't know overall though. I really like both of them. I don't know. That one doesn't make for the official boyfriend girlfriend own only rightly right get over it. Yeah. What is it? Have ya here on here's the thing. I'm going to put a spin on that. I mean, I really have no clue what really actually happened. I agree with you Pam. There's got to be something more to it. Yeah, I like them both, but I will say them aside just in general if a girl is coming to visit me and stay with me in my place. And then she takes off with some other dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're not going to stay with me no more, but that's not cool disappointed with his edit because they're making it look like he freaked out and he has there's no warrant to his emotions against Cam and he's in the wrong. I mean I think it's a completely disrespectful move because it's not like cam happen to be in Vegas staying with other friends and hooked up with Leroy one night was in his bed one night and then went out and they found another guy separate night you flew out there. I believe she's from Jersey you flew out there to visit Leroy with the intention of visiting him and staying with him regardless of whether or not you guys are boyfriend and girlfriend. It's still just that's a ballsy move. She's can look ham for reason sounds insensitive. It sounds like she wasn't thinking going and it seems like she's a little prideful instead of apologizing she sang what we weren't together, you know, we weren't together again back to the I don't wanna spend too much time on this Leroy did declare. I don't do relationships her. So that was her way of proving something. I don't know. I like them both shrews my eyes. There's so much more layers, but that's the same thing as I love them both. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, they're both right. They're both wrong and Leroy you really regret sleeping with Cam. She's really hot. You don't work great on my man. Like you might be mad at her that's not her. She's beautiful. But anyway, I think both of them clearly just need to move on because they're graceful and if Leroy was never going to make her exclusive and it's almost like he shot himself in the foot in the long run and now we're going to end up having feelings for her, but you don't know that sometimes though. I know but that's my point is if you and that stupid I wind up as team. Cam Roy still I like the both naught T. Naught Gamma or cat. Yeah. I'm right for the they both Sam. Anyway, they're both valid. Let's jump into that. Then this kamdev on Theo love triangle kind of Of soap a me did a really good job of talking about the situation before so I'll pass it over to you. Okay. So at the time that this all went down I did listen to Dave ons live. I did, you know, I was sort of following the story as which for those of you out there. There was a cam and Leroy as we saw in the show hooked up and Devon was apparently heard about it. So my interpretation of what Cam said was that in the beginning Davon say Hey, like anyone Cam said no, I'm not I'm not here to sort of get into guys and then her and Theo developed feelings for each other and Devon was hurt and cam expressed that she should have been more upfront with her that she was developing feelings for her, but she didn't like her that was my interpretation of IT team cam. I think according to Dave on and again, it was a while ago. She also at the same time saying she thought he was cute was saying she wasn't going to get going to get serious. Or get physical with anyone during the challenge and she was like happy to sort of have a flirty friendship, but it was never going to go anywhere. Anyway, I think listen they're all single Cameron Cameron Theo started feeling each other. It is what it is. I don't think it was the big betrayal. It's not like her and right on our best friends and they both loved him. You know, it's like you both just met this guy and be a little bit dramatic but to play Devil's Advocate don't you think it could be hurtful to be in day Vaughn's shoe. Who's and that is your number girl that you're that is like her best friend in the house and you went up to her first. And you said I am kind of feeling this guy. I liked him and then you watch this new relationship unfold in front of your eyes and it always sucks to be the outcast that you said you had feelings for this guy and then your friend gets the guy so I can understand why David gets hurt as well. Great iron. It lands on you feel stupid. This is so silly to feel stupid. I find girls track of all the time and then the oh, I like to fuck shit. I'd like to kick it out of here back to the summer. It's a pressure cooker things. Yes, Jenna. I agree with you that I'm sure Dave on felt a little humiliated and it would have been cooler had she not been the last to know or to see it the same way other people did but at the end of the day, but anyone know this was a thing though when we did with season was filming like we didn't know like oh Dave on like the already brought it up at the end. So just show that she's humiliated like she spoke to her and she spoke about it and her YouTube channel. Yeah. Well, you know, you know what Pam? Why don't I mean again, I don't care don't care. Not a big deal. I get what you're saying, but I don't think him did anything wrong, right? That's I'm not saying that wrong or right. It's just about seeing both sides of it and I can kind of see both sides. Yeah. It's just a sticky situation overall because if your cam what I mean, what are you girl girl code Girl Code what happened this girl code, but it's like if your cam are you wrong? You're single you're now into him. Is it disrespectful to do to your friend when she said she liked him but but they've all made it clear that she wasn't going to pursue anything anyway, right? Yeah have been handled better. But at the end of the day, it seems like those three day Von Cam and Theo have squash the beef. So if they're not I like the guy, you know, I'm fine. I'm fine. You know the thing that's a funny got it. So Kim and save on their Muslim or that happened because they're saying this is not all about guys. It's not just a boy problem. Right but it's got to just feel like for Theo. He's just sitting there he's off. Not free and then it's like candy Mater kind of writing about the sky. I mean, it could have been any guy but it's just like he's just sitting there chilling. I don't see you as a part of it too. He made a decision to go after Kim versus Dave on, you know what I mean? So but and they're just talking to each other about our debate, but he's not a part of the girl like Annette the girl conversation that they have had prior to the situation and it's your friend that makes you feel stupid not the guy you like and like your friend that you can on you to be honest so back to agreeing with you. You one feels if I had a friend and I said, oh, I like Dan and you said oh, I don't like Dan and then Jenna and Dan got together and then Jenna and I found out like we were doing this. I feel stupid and be like you should have said something. We love you guys. Thank you for always tuning in Dan has more information. I think you just said it. All right, they're not thank you guys so much for making us the ESPN of TV talk give us a five star rating on iTunes. Give us a comment. Give us some like subscribe to all of our fun channels here at AfterBuzz TV after which means the world to us. So stick around and comment comment comment but really guys, thank you so much. We saw I think this is probably our most viewed episode last week. It seems like we got 18,000 and Counting, right? Yes. Thank you. Yes. Thank you so much. Thanks for not taking. Nara ending video of the AfterBuzz file too seriously because we sure as hell didn't love you guys. Thanks. A lot of chat for always tuning in with that being said, this will be my last show. No that was for now. I am actually moving back to Jersey. So I love you guys and appreciate you. Thanks for being on this ride for where the world with us. Don't worry. We're not gonna let her go. We're gonna kidnap. Okay, so let's give him a bit. What should we talk about? Back Zack or tape. We're going to get it solved Apes bag. Okay, let's talk about tape gate. So on the subject of talking badly about people behind each other's back which is kind of funny segments that they showed people's confessionals and then they made them talk about it word for word of on the stage, which I like because a lot of it was humorous thought it was joking like d and Zahida say, oh I'm better than her physically athletically and I look better all that stuff about have a cute funny and Then bananas shuts it down and says, okay. I actually have something serious. I want to say Dave on I think you owe me Kyle Theo an apology because he basically feels defames and saying that Davon took to her YouTube account when she wasn't even there during the situation and she should have never said stuff that she said because it escalated to bananas and kylan Theo them being accused of assault and taping Amanda to a wall and all this stuff that never happened and it was basically extremely exaggerated and blood and screams and all this other stuff and that, Georgia. And the heat over actually there so it turns out that Amanda was doing her thing. She was being drunk and wild and crazy and playfully everybody tried to kind of taper up as I said like Amanda if you keep talking trash we're going to tape you up. I mean, it was great to have the facts in the light shed on it. And I do feel bad that Theo and bananas and Kyle and all these guys were shown to be worse than maybe they were or they should Have been accused of assault if they you know, they weren't assaulting but I still the situation still kind of rubs me wrong. I still think it was weird like that she was taped and and you know that her hair kind of got pulled out it still is uncomfortable for me. Yeah, I just feel like there's a there's a there's another way to deal with someone who's drunk and being annoying versus, you know, getting you know consciously getting out tape and putting it on somebody and the way bananas ago we put on our hands but then she broke free then we came to break us but then she broke free. So what it would have been Worse if you just taped everything up and did a little break free. You still were taping her up. It's weird. Like is there another way you can handle Amanda is I I can only imagine man too drunk. I mean we see it on the show. I don't want to be around that either but I'm not taping the girl up. That's all I'm gonna say. I don't really have much more to say about it is that you know first I'll say good for bananas for calling Dave on out on that especially because stuff like that, especially the media that could go very bad. She wasn't even there. That's what I like about the Devon. So that's the thing where it's just like that can be taken a lot. More serious than it obviously was and so I mean, I don't blame him for being upset. You know, I'm kind of I'm on the fence again you'd I think it's situation. You'd have to be there. I mean, yeah, like the taping thing is weird. But at the same time if it's if they were it was completely playful completely innocent. Like you said, she's Breaking Free but she's like having fun with it. You know, that's one thing if she's like literally just like freaking out or so. We don't know who run of us were that's what I'm saying. So crazy, that's I'm saying it. It just depends on the situation you want to be and so I can see both sides I can. See how it can maybe just be fun and innocent everybody's you know, there was girls in Vale could just be something like that. She's drawing gets. I mean, it's the challenge house. You've seen crazy stuff there. But again or it could be the other way where she's like freaking out. It's like you don't know unless you're there, you know, I mean, it's hard to say. Yeah. I mean, I'm on the fence about Devon posted on her YouTube account and talking about it because she was just recounting the story. She was told I know maybe she wasn't there and she doesn't know all the facts but she starts off from I don't believe it was malicious and this is what I heard and witnessed. From Amanda so she does recount her story and when she was there for and what Amanda told her but it is maybe you shouldn't talk about anything that maybe you don't know about and also making guys look like they are assaulting people and they're not right. So that's one thing but it's also bringing attention to a subject that should it be talked about should Dave honor brought attention to it because now we're seeing that things could be covered up or there's a right way to go about things. You know, right? Okay. This is my take on this and why I think Devon is so in the wrong I think Dave on is Extraordinarily smart she is not a dumb person to make a video to get on a live in this climate that we live in and accused three men of assaulting someone mummifying them her words were bloody hair and she knew what she was doing. It was extremely inflammatory. She didn't say I wasn't there or maybe she did the point is my point is she didn't mention Georgia and Zahida. She I think Dave on exploited the situation For attention and she got it and if Devon and Amanda are besties as everyone's saying which I never saw them hang out ever on the show. But if you want to talk about this and bring awareness to this issue, why don't you call the restaurant and say what happened to other people if we want to shed light on it and you were not there and you're going to pick and choose who you're calling out and you've got a beef with one of those people because you feel I think she had ulterior motives. I think they were clear and when you're saying things Like that about someone you better have been the victim of it or at least witnessed it because that has serious repercussions to people. And that is a really really intense crying wolf or something. You were not a part of and if you are going to make a video about that to the world and call people out by name and accuse them and she did then you I mean you read her her thing on the show. She's the one that said mummified. She's the one that put those things out there and those are words that mean something and to say that someone did that and well I don't call this whole car. Guard and MTV Auto Show the but I mean, it's I was like, yeah, I wasn't there so I don't know but it sounds horrible and now even Amanda everybody and Devon said yeah, I'm sorry. It's like so it was a big hmm kind of misunderstanding. Well that was turned into a really big thing. It is weird that she didn't mention that's Akita and Georgia were yeah. She said Amanda didn't tell her that when she came and told her what happened. She said Amanda failed to tell her that and then Amanda also said that she did have the tape wrapped around her head. So then she turned that. Into being mummified cats what happened? You're gonna run in here and say Jenna just assaulted me in the parking lot if I'm gonna get out and tell the world Jenna just assaulted Dan. I'm going to get my facts straight. I'm gonna talk to Jenna. I'm gonna Devon has power Devon has a following Davon said Very accusatory thing is against three people that I don't think I don't think we're fair. I mean, I don't know. I can't remember forbidden what Davon said, but I don't think David was she apologized? I don't think she used the word assault. And I know that you practice it off her game. Okay, I don't remember saying assault I just I just think it's unresponsible of Davon for what you did and I think on top of that after the fact knowing that it wasn't that serious, she should have at least issued an apology or addressed her audience of what the facts were with the situation. Not just kind of let it play out because like I agree with you Pam kind of situation can turn to something very serious and that's not cool. You know that that's what I'm saying. I again, I like Tavon and I think she's very smart and with that responsibility. Are you a role model or like a man doesn't know but Devon I put on a higher place than Amanda who would just talk smack. I trust Yvonne to some extent. So when you find out that that was sort of all oh, well, it was just my take on what I heard happened and the ramifications that it could potentially have for these guys. It makes me a little Amanda. They should have a lot of Mana to maybe to speak a little bit more and go right in. Oh, she's the one that happened to I mean, she said her own thing saying I'm not going to talk about this anymore. Just I don't know even the way bananas was describing it though. Even when I was with bananas was describing you're saying that you'd feel okay with him duct taping your wrists ankles and like that that felt uncomfortable to me and I was like, I like the fact that he's like I forgot about it. We've got some Gap taste like bananas. How about you just kick her out your room and lock the door bro. Well, he said numerous times that he tried doing that. I know it was the same way. But anyway, she's fine. She's so skinny. She's fighting her get that for you. Like what again? Like and I agreed and at the taping is a little extreme. I do agree with that but also the context of the situation you mean and if there's multiple people around like I said, and if everybody's just kind of joking around having a good time if she's not legitimately like oh this is like offending me or I'm not you having fun or whatever. I mean it's hard man because we don't sell so it makes it okay that like five people were there doing it instead of three like leaving but as far as the approach that Davon together like 3 minutes 3 minutes talking. Yeah, so Yeah again, I want to say for the record. No don't tape anybody up. Nobody tape anybody up. However back to the is it a big deal that came likes a boy. I like you are in this pressure cooker. They grabbed gaffer tape. I like that. He noticed that it's like we have limited props. This tape was around imagine Amanda 3:00 in the morning when you have a challenge the next day and you start goofing around. I'm not condoning it. I just think it's irresponsible to talk about it the 30 other people in the house didn't take Her up though. So they going to be in touch. Let's talk about them. Let's move on. Okay, like we'd be this is death and Barron Gorge apparent Georgia or or poly followers become to either one of those and then Zach Bumble. Okay. That's just something about the okay. So what was ours Paulie hooking up with Cara for followers? Yeah. Let's see. Let's go around yes or no, believe it or don't you? Yes. So I believe it baby. Damn. I think those two crazy kids are in love. No ha ha before we continue one of the ways we keep all these shows for you free is by our amazing sponsors. And today Spotify is one of our sponsors on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite artists and podcasts in one place for free. You don't even need a premium account Spotify as a huge catalogue of podcasts on every topic including the one you're listening to right now on Spotify. 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It's gonna help me even beneath it shortcut it his way and Anna's of course, they're making about bananas is saying he wants to be me. I do think Paulie wants to be the new face the challenge. I don't think he wants to be bananas everybody on their wrong as Amanda said tonight that I thought. Yeah Amanda. We're on reality TV. We're all doing things for attention. Is there a small part of you that thinks? Oh a showmance with the face of the challenges certainly going to boost my stuff. Sure. Do I think they're faking it? No, not at all. I think that all the question was asked was that what did he get with a car at the beginning for followers? Say, yes, I know. I don't know we can call honey. There's nothing more Polly wants though is to be reality TV famous be the poster boy for the child. So I do have a doubt at all that that there was that was an influence in him dating car. But I do think I felt for them tonight that they are so content with each other. Yeah, they've been through a lot of ups and downs and I still think there were their relationship is I can't make a comment on it. But I think I think the relationship is ridiculous and I love tonight that Polly He's being called out left and right for Cara being cheated on and for her kind of being like the second woman which felt sad and distressed for her. But I mean she knew when she went back with him. So you're going to have to read those Provisions consequences. You're going to have to deal with people talking about it. This is a relationship you decided to continue. So you have to deal with people's opinions and hearing about it when you are reality TV, but I just thought it was so funny that is being called called out constantly. Unfortunately, I think Cara is you would think after like a life. I'm Doing this stuff. She would be a little more media trained and a little more Savvy. I think she is so terrible on these appearances like I agreed with her sentiments, but she is very bad at expressing herself. I kind of like the way she expressed herself today. I'm going to be honest on the barren Georgia stuff. I like the bars and Polly just seemed like they did not care about the outside world and their opinion on their relationship, which I kind of dug even though I think the relationship is ridiculous. I kind of like that. It's It seemed like they didn't care at all about any buddy chirping at them. You know, I agree. Yeah, they seemed unfazed. I'm and I disagree. I think there are some moments. I mean, I don't know if he's eating or what but I mean there's some moments where it look like some of those dicks did affect the other woman stuff because I was six I mean again, but that is a choice that she made and I think she knows that deep down. This is the time where it sucks. She's like I'm happy with my decision that I got back with him because this is my man and I loved him all that. She's finding happiness everyday living with him, but getting those zingers and stings all the time. Well, that was your decision. I think she knows that and I think that's a pill to swallow me. Like well, this is what's going to happen. When I do this. Yeah, at least I don't know. I can't put myself in her brain exactly that she seems very defensive but she has to be she's on the defense all the time. Another thing. I know don't hurt me. Why does Dave on hate car so much. I don't even why does she hate her? So my me when I was faced with them, but I think are definitely has victimizing Tendencies like, you know the person okara, please victim a lot to you. You know, like certain situations she'll act as if like how could this happen to me? But then she'll kind of jump on somebody else for the same situation. So should we leave that in to bear and Georgia do it? Okay, let's go. That's Wednesday. I like Cara. So I love corn again. I like that. She's bad in these situations. She is, you know, she seems like she's in it for the show. She's not a good personality like being herself and speaking she doesn't come across. I don't mean this as an insult. I mean it as a compliment she doesn't come across. Also great in these situations. I've 1 million percent agree with her about the Georgia situation and I don't know why it's being portrayed as as bad. George is not mad. So why is it a thing like car bringing Georgia to hear? Of course? Why is that stirring the pot? Of course, you want him to get called out? We all can get called out. So sheeting on George on we all love I'm a bigger Davon fan than I am. I guess the car fed. I loved avons Charisma and I think she's hilarious her calf. Officials, but actually was agreeing more with what car was it's hard because Cara wanted Georgia to hear that bear was cheated and necessarily which I am therefore. I think Georgia should know if you're hooking up with somebody who you don't think as a girlfriend you need to know that so I think our was being a good girl and a good friend by bringing Georgia over but Dave always try to call it her intentions and then cars intentions became blurry because now car is getting caught up saying sure I wanted to see her kick. There's a slash Much as highly means I want Georgia to see what Bears doing and then beat him out for which is great. Here's the thing no matter what cars intentions were at least she was at least she was going to see oh my God George George it was going to see what bear was doing behind her back if they went to Dave on which they bonds like I was going to tell Georgia after but it would become a second party and even Georgia said if it came from a second party who I don't know if I would have believed it at least I got to witness it. So no matter what if your car I don't care of cars. Is wrong or looking for whatever the hell more fucking about more followers. I'm so sorry. I'm a Disney dad. I do not like cars who cares what her intentions were at least she got to see what bear was doing behind our back 100. Georgia is not mad. Why are you why why are you coming at Cara when George was like, I'm glad she told me it's a thinly-veiled silly reason to hate Cara or to say car was doing Nasty evil thing and I think what come on. This is a weird pick and choose. I feel like it's going back to almost like the poly being with car for followers thing. I think David's picking a big Target exactly to get a tension T of a sudden. It seems like she's going after the bananas Cara. She's doing what everyone's accusing everyone else I do. Hang on did I mention bring George over because I don't think she want to Georgia to feel embarrassed or humiliated in front of everybody but I mean I could tell it wasn't his cousin like a lion like if here I'll put it this way if I have my worst enemy in the house with me and that guy comes over and tells me that those girls mess around on me just to get a rise out of me. I'm still going to be happy that guy told me because now I know what this right I could care less the intention behind it. The fact is now I know. This is contradicting herself with the cam. Theo thing. It's like you don't want to feel stupid you want honesty. Now, you're calling out Cara for pointing out the truth. Mmm. It doesn't it doesn't add up and I agree. That's what to me was revealed tonight that made me unhappy with Dave on was wait a second. And again the worst part of this all is all this stuff is happening about this person getting his information. Meanwhile, the perpetrator is sitting there and it's just cool in right now and I was like, Talking about talking about is that you're dating under age 6 as well. I don't know you tell me bury your so hysterical. Now. You may still like their American Dirty Dan. I was right on Tendencies and was such a smug. Jerk. God talk about wanting someone to be taken down that guy. I just can't I just get so embarrassed. I just get so embarrassed for some of the challenges on these reunions because they they start they just saying stuff to say stuff A lot of times. And then Dave ants are dancing when I really didn't agree with her point. So it maybe I'll say I was feeling like oh my god. Did I just sit down? I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed. I'm sounds like am I watching this? I don't know. I don't I can't re watch the reunions. I was embarrassed when she started dancing and like saying like thinking she was right and that one case I like no. No, I was upset with her. It did turn for me tonight from from her saying telling it like it is to telling it like you want it to be with a very interesting thought. Yeah and also speaks to this the relationships all these shows for the most part everybody cheats on Buddy Holly shows like how if you hook up with somebody in this house? How do you ever trust you ever think that they don't have somebody back home? We found out that Ash had see ya back home a shot a girlfriend when he hooked up with say - that he told everybody chief. He said he told her this is not going anywhere. This is physically still cheat on his girlfriend this whole thing should just be a joke because I don't even think I think Georgia does have feelings, but she also just like doesn't really care. You're so cute. Adorable I don't like seeing her heart back to kind of mother. She is like, oh, well, I really hope I don't keep my hands off and but looks nice doesn't really want she just likes messing around with this stuff unless there's different code of conduct in the UK because the things he said if I were her I'd be like, okay, what about the cold night on duct when you are in South Africa and you're just feeling a little frisky one night and you go on Bumble. You're like, I'm gonna make a fake profile because this is sit so funny. It's funny All My Friends Are Gonna think this is so funny. So I make this fake profile. Look whoops. Whoops. All right. I have a girlfriend security Jenna leave me alone. It's her fault and I need to be restrained from my girlfriend because she is acting ridiculous and foolish when she finds out I almost went on a date and don't let me say this real quick Buzz that cause you're all going to just hate on him. So I'm just gonna jump. Oh yes. I just for fun right now Zack thinks he's funny. I'm a Korean. Okay. All right. Know what funny Zack thought if he did do that and he actually he actually thought that was funny. It wasn't funny but to Zach it was like so in theory my thought is he went on public policy but they're gonna think this is so funny. I'm gonna get so many laughs at dinner tonight. He's a moron that is that down? Okay. I think he's that dumb that he thinks that's what funny is necessarily that you guys can challenge a challenge Jenna girl. You got to get yourself together. I'm sorry watching all all this back and I'll be like yeah on the moment. He didn't I know Jenna's I know I'm saying a lot of unpopular things tonight. Ken has a very sweet girl. But Honey Jack is a liar. He's a jerk. He's not even nice to you. I mean, I think she needs to move II hope that she again and again blah blah blah talk about abusive. That guy's a jerk. I'm sorry. That's a freaking jerk. Whatever excuses he comes up with are so slow. You better and I wish she didn't allow herself to be relationship. I know and I love China so much. I don't mean to laugh at her pain. I don't even laugh at her relationship. But but I need security. It's not the funniest thing sax a client from a 90-pound girl. I understand that he needed security for his peace of mind. I know he won't going to hit Jenna people before you say I'm being ridiculous for reading too much into the whole security comment like Like that's what you're getting at when you made the most boneheaded move of all time. What did you think anybody's reaction was when you have a girlfriend like Jenna who's dropped a gorgeous and cool as hell. What do you think? She her reaction is gonna be when you make a bumble account as a joke? I have no no, no girlfriend. No significant other ever is going to be like, oh, you're so funny honey. It's cool. Right like Zach. You're wrong say right. I'm sorry, but it sounds fun. Sounds like you're being ridiculous John alike. Are we over because I can't see. Mental hell yeah. Oh my God. I'm still hopeful I'm so confused at what the funny part Suzanne so serious. It does is funny. What was your endgame? I'm just punch the punch line. I'm sorry on this one. I'm almost team Amanda. I like Jenna and she's had her moments and I think she's a good competitor. But at this point when she's on it was I'd like to see Amanda without Zach or not Amanda Jenna without Zach on a challenge when they're together. But I agree with Jenna she's Furniture. She's like wooden furniture will not do anything. Well not Gus is also Furniture as hair was his hair annoyed me tonight. There was the man his hair was flying up there. I was very high up. Then you're such a big fan of guess. I can't stand Gus. You know, I love long hair and I was heartbroken when Kyle cut us off but he looks very handsome. He looks nice. But again on the ghost Jenna thing. I just don't think they make good TV. I'd like that. They're just they're all gone. So many things about Gus. It's like with that we have enough psycho people on the show where it's like Uncle John and guess y'all don't want to be pending in the drama. Like I said more to you. I am speaking of Kyle. Did you see his neck tattoo that went up into this. He always have that a reasonable hair on the back of his head. I feel like a different person today, but I got it back. I looked good like stupid the whole season so ridiculous and With this is normal hair. He's a good-looking guy. Like I finally get it. Now. I've been like this do Spa is headbands and pigtails. How can you even tell if I again but back to Zach because there's no train. I'd rather ride than it hates Zach trained. Okay. I mean, he just clearly I don't know why he's still going on they show us because he really doesn't care which is a weird way. I almost sort of due respect that part of him think that he's not taking his challenges too seriously, and he's not trying to be a poly or he's not trying to be bad. Is where it's like this is my life is how making my fame I'm a reality TV star. He's just like all right. I kind of want to go home. Can I just go? I mean, I'm just going to throw the shells you go home. Davon has joined us in the live chat. Oh get out. So that's going to be great. She said Allah. Oh honey with a bunch of because I don't know and read it all this incredible thing. Join us in the live show. Yes. Yeah if you have any takes on this has actually been I shit on all night. So I'm sure she's pretty pumped to be a live chat with it and to the people watching and to everybody that supports us. We love the show. Obviously. We take it very seriously we care about it and we like the dialogue wrong or right like that's great. I'd love to hear the inside scoop from the horse's mouth. Like know it got edited this way. I'm the reunions know it got that's what we need to hear. Did you know is what's the what's the story? Yeah. So bananas and Zach. Yeah. So now so Zack is just clearly giving no apps and yeah, what ends up being I think the most disrespectful thing is not that he wants to leave for himself is that he said he wants to pick saheed as a partner because he thinks that's going to be as close as ticket. Yeah believe which and she gets choked up. She like damn you were playing me this whole time. You never said you wanted to leave every time I can fun of you. I heard all these rumors and you were lying to me, but that just I think what seconds he's kind of just appeal washer is lying to everybody. He just doesn't care. Hmm. Well as banana said fool me once going twice for me seven times like yes, that is a liar apparently and the story with him telling bananas. He would throw the challenge and then he didn't as also jerky. Mmm. I mean it's jerky to throw the challenge because there's people that really want to be there and to take it seriously and then it's jerky did not do it after you say you're gonna do know that if we're not even wanted to be on the show. It just don't lie. I don't know but I guess so. Yeah for that. Devon right. I'm watching from the beginning but I don't know. We don't know if that's really her but it is hurt you. That's your YouTube channel that we were chatting at out. So that's that's her that is her YouTube handle channel. So it's either her someone snuck onto her Chatters get to the bottom of they're all working on they are called are asking questions sewer. Yeah. Ask only Davon. What was your first pet Devon? If you are in the chat and you can answer our question. We love to hear from you. Yeah, we talked about I love that you called out Paulie tonight and I love how you said it to that. You said Polly, you know, I love you know, we're friends but you're pointing the finger is about all these cheating allegations your team on. Yeah you cheated on Cara and she said next year right now when you're with another girl, so let me know how that unfolded. If you can did you and Polly hash it out. After are you guys cool like tell us more about that situation if you want to comment and it's just a pain like in Thailand. That's what they're all saying. I have been saying that the whole time to I don't know how they do how they do. They pre set up all their social media because they're all still like Instagram liveing. And yeah and let me ask you this though. I didn't I thought day was on the fence of going back to UNI. She definitely went I don't Davon if you're you know what I mean? Like it was like one of those things were really dangerous. That's the fake The Imposter diabolical said knave on I like them to keep the same energy, please. Okay Dave on what else bear, Georgia? What else were oh Hunter Nami. Yeah, so how first off how do you ghost nany? So again, how high would you go? It's not why I think it was just Again, again, all this reunions really Hunter someone that I love and like really has a place in my heart and I want a love that's just making me like him a little less every time we took and I put him in the stupid Camp instead of in the like bad guy not stupid but making boneheaded move. I'm not killing him stupid. I think he does a lot of boneheaded things that are not thought through and he's not a bad guy, but dude, you gotta tease another one's got to like step it. Like don't I'm almost not even sit in the corner all that kind of hiding under his hat. Brim. Just he did not want to be a part of this reunions at all. Yeah, and then and we do know at this point that he is having a baby on the way. I do think that that's his personal life and it has nothing to do with the show and it didn't need to be talked about as much as I wanted to know. I think he had a secret girlfriend the whole time and now she's pregnant it has to do she was convinced that you know, she was like, I don't know anything about him like that seems shady that she was like Like there's a girlfriend. Yeah, that's he said no, there's not another song Because if they're hooking up and nany shouldn't be all like hey, you have a pregnant girl at all, right, maybe punter didn't know that. Yeah, but again, it goes back to you can't trust anybody on the show, I guess not but I feel like you feel have to feel but making connections with people if they're not I will give Ash credit Zahida said I did and I knew what it was. There was no hard feelings. I don't the knew this was a physical connection for what it was. She didn't think they were falling for each other. No, but she came back and she was infatuated and she was calling him and she wanted to Nam nany. Yeah, and now he had tears in her eyes Ashton's Aikido. I was like, yeah, I'm hooking up with you because I'm attracted to you and we're young and single and in this house. Yeah, but for nany sake even if Hunter doesn't want to be with her just tell her just answer her the fact that you got ghosted was messed up and it shows more of Hunter than what we think we know because he tries to you. Mr. America's sweetheart and be all like I never do anything wrong, you know, I Have the most outstanding morals. Meanwhile, you can't even tell a girl like hey, I actually have a girlfriend. Yeah, I'm in a relationship. So I like Hunter I will say he's shown good character in times. We've chatted. He seems like a really cool guy and um, you know it who knows how complicated the situation is it maybe didn't know how to wow her. He didn't know if he should who died, who knows what's going on at that time. So it's hard to say, but I mean, there's clearly more to this specially by the way. He Reacting to everything and I don't think he would just necessarily ghost Nani for no reason. I just there's there's got to be more going on and he's obviously it was a lot. Thank you just didn't know what to say think for him. It was a showmance and she was either misled or surprised by that. He didn't address it. You know, I think the same reason anyone goes to anyone. It's like I don't really know what to say. So you just don't say anything but you know, I just think the little skeletal growing up to do and I like Hunter to I'm rooting for him, but it's Gotta stop doing things like that. Oh my God. Oh my God shaylene has just joined a live chat. This is crazy day. You've been 1ups deal with it. And let's say this real quick turbo and Theo finish first and second place. They were barely mentioned in the Holy reasons. I because they don't create drama. That's crazy thing. We're promoting the wrong thing almost in a way. That's kind of disappointing. And this to sit and air your dirty laundry and I got to go over the competition. This is just saying I'm just saying what happened very disappointing point and the point we think this has been a great season as we saw we went it exceeded expectations. We went in after final Reckoning Vendetta's which were like flop. So where the world put it back on the map. I said Ruth season 34. Yeah coming your way. Thank you everybody for being along with us this entire time. My name is Gianna bussiere. My Twitter is Jenna. Scored last year and it's been a fun time. Thank you guys for everything. Yeah. All right, maybe fake Davon, maybe not we don't know the damn thing run Instagram. My name is Pamela grows, Joe on the social media. Thank you guys so much for joining us again. Please take what we say with a grain of salt. We're just watching the show and commenting David Christopher if I me at David Boger Christopher on Instagram DPR Christopher on Twitter Jen. We are going to miss you this sucks. 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This is lightning junkies podcast with your host Chaz crypto set on this week's episode we have well O'Byrne best known for the jewel. Lightning wallet jewel is a great browser extension that allows you to utilize your own lightning node as I mentioned in the episode. I probably use Jewel more thanMost any other wallet that I have a very rarely used my mobile wallets and only use them when I'm out and about or I'm at a place that actually accepts Bitcoin or Bitcoin over lightning. It seems like most of the good use cases for lightning or still on the web and aren't really on mobile quite yet or at least aren't in a place where they're actually easier to use than the web. Just wanted to give a quick shout-out fold here. They're not sponsoring the podcast or anything like that. I just wanted to to give them a quick shout-out and to let you know that if you want to quickly purchase Amazon gift cards or Uber gift cards Etc and be able to save money on top of it. You can definitely do that with fold. There are also on mobile and such. Once again, this is not a sponsorship and fold has not contacted me in any way about talking about them on the podcast. Did you know what it cost $100 a month for me to run this podcast if you would like to chip in any Bitcoin or bit? Wayne over lightning to help me pay for these podcasts costs you can do so by going to crowdfund lightning junkies dotnet and chip in as much as you think the show deserves you can chip in once at or you can chip in a million. It's up to you. My goal is to provide content that is worthy of that 1 million set chip in so hopefully we'll get there this episode. Let's go ahead and jump in I would like to go ahead and welcome will to the lightning junkies podcast. How are you doing this evening? It has super stoked to be here really love what you're doing with the show and just happy to be VIP guests. I'm really glad the final have you on here. You're definitely one of the first people ever one to have you on here. I kind of look up to you and I kind of Dev sort of way like you're doing all these different things and you're very useful to the entire. Assistant well, I appreciate it and I'm totally flattered. I don't know if I can live up to that height, but I'll do my best. Well, that's a little here. Let's go ahead and jump in. I know that you have a bit of a unique starting point. Then a lot of my previous guests have been if I'm correct previous to you making Jewel the Chrome extension. You actually came from aetherium. Is that right? Yeah. So I was working on I started working on it was my ether wallet, but then that kind of turned into my crypto, but it was basically basically the main use or the main way people would like by ico's and and get in on those because it was a wallet that had no opinions really it was just like it would handle any ERC 20 token. I had gotten into a theory. Mm sometime in like late 2016 early 2017 and was just looking around for open source projects to contribute to and that was kind of the peak one that intersect with my skills. So after contributing for It they brought me on to work on it. Okay, and was was your entrance into aetherium the main entrance into crypto overall? Yeah, for sure. So my brother James Coburn who you maybe have heard his name. He's a core developer chain code Labs. He had been talking about Bitcoin for a long time. I think we still have some email that we occasionally forward to each other to laugh about where he like links to some some Bitcoin mailing list posts like from like 2012 or 2013. He's like guys I think this thing's pretty serious. He was definitely the original of of my family to kind of bring it up and I kind of played it off for a while like didn't pay too much attention to it because I wasn't really deep into you know, a lot of the topics that I think that I've bitcoiners care about. I was pretty politically and active. I didn't really pay much attention to economics. I was just kind of in it Like the fun stuff and so theorem grab me pretty early on because there was lots of shiny stuff and like, you know, it's kind of easy to understand as as an application developer. And so, you know, it kind of has this really attractive upfront quality that you know grabs people who you know at surface level have only just kind of looked into this stuff. Would you say, you know, just to be clear would you say that you're more of a Bitcoin? In person now or are you still in aetherium person? Oh a hundred percent Bitcoin for sure. I think that you know, I'm very understanding of people I think on the boat on both sides because I I see the qualities, you know that people are looking for in this the thing the main difference for me is for one like Bitcoin delivers on pretty much everything that people are looking for it. Now, of course people like to point out the like peer-to-peer digital cash thing that it doesn't really get used for that, but but I don't think No one's trying to sell it at this point. So Bitcoin pretty much delivers on all of its promises. Whereas my sort of moment where I started to phase over was as as a developer working on a theory. Mm. I was running my own node since that's you know, that's what you're supposed to do and after a while I just couldn't keep up with it. It was expanding beyond the abilities of the hardware. I was running it on. I was having a lot of trouble like just keeping guests from freezing up. I tried parody but then there are bugs between those two implementations like differences that you know, you run into Corner cases there. You know, I just kind of was like scared. I was scared. I was you know in trusting a lot of my money into the system that I was slowly but surely losing faith in and so when it came time for me to try out Bitcoin spin up a bit coin D, it just worked and it you know synced in a reasonable amount of time and once I sort of understood time preference and you know manually setting transaction fees I realized oh Like I don't really care that much about block time when I'm moving my digital gold, you know, it's not really a payments platform necessarily and that was also where I started to look into lightning because I thought well, you know, we're going to need a payments platform. What's it going to be and and lightning was still in its early days, but but it was there. Okay, would you say that maybe the people that are you know in aetherium that are still kind of plugging away at it people that you might have worked with previously. You think that they're totally off-base do you think that entire project is doomed to fail? I don't think they are for a lot of reasons one is that unless you're working on a certain set of problems like ethereum offers a lot of interesting problems to work on and you can probably get paid to do that. I think there's a lot of funding in the ethereum ecosystem. And so I think for some people they're interested in the research. The the politics or the monetary theory behind it is secondary. They just want to work on interesting problems and etherium has plenty of interesting problems, which can be fun. If you're a researcher. It could be really bad if you're you know, a user or a developer. I also think that there are certain sets of problems that Bitcoin isn't interested in solving, you know, like the idea of smart contracts at least in the short term and aetherium does kind of work for that today. I mean if you want to to build like a distributed, you know gambling system that doesn't rely on proven Randomness, you know, if you want like real time proof that you've got a random system, you know, it can do that and I don't think anybody's trying to build that for Bitcoin. So, you know, I think people have reasonable reasons that they choose to work on ethereum, but I also think that they tend to not have thought a lot about it from a holistic standpoint, you know, I think people who are interested in The tech room just in the tech people who are interested in building fun games or only interested in that it's only kind of in Bitcoin where you see people who have these like totally multi-faceted interests in the economics in the politics, you know have the technical background to understand it understand the game theory implications of how these systems work understand networking. Like you have to understand a lot of things for Bitcoin to make sense, which is a lot to ask for for your average. Each person that's interesting kind of understanding why you would move over to bitcoin here. So are you saying you're kind of more sold on the overall Bitcoin ethos versus the you know, maybe put it in in the scare quotes for the ethereum ethos. Yeah. I mean, it's a little hard. I feel that a theorem doesn't have a consistent narrative. So it's a little hard to say what that ethos is and I think there are certain aspects of Bitcoin that I still like em at odds with I don't you know, sometimes I always feel like I'm Hundred percent aligned with the like air quotes Community, you know, I think really what it comes down to is the Unix philosophy of design which is to do one thing and to do it really well and Bitcoin tends to do it's it's one thing really well and that's just a lot easier to reason about as as a developer and as someone who's, you know, got some of their money tied up in it when you first started developing on bitcoin. Was it developing on lightning or was it developing? On base chain of pickling. So I had a few kind of brief interactions with Bitcoin from a development standpoint before I really don't have into it and it very strongly turn me off from it just in terms of like getting your head around the you T XO model when when you know, you're kind of used to the way databases work where you kind of have these like easy ways to look up balances and keep track of things where now you've got like all these distributed coins and you have Like combine them together that was pretty daunting up front. And so I kind of I had a brief some brief interactions with it and was initially turned away. It wasn't until lightning kind of lured me in where I was like, okay, you've got this one node, you know, it's got a an available balance that can draw from like the reason channels exist is because there are not fungible unlike Bitcoins which should be fungible and so I was confused about the you txo model which of course I understand all that. That a lot better now, but you know from the outset lightning looks a lot more like what a developer might expect from payment system. So I kind of came in from the top down started learning about lightning after a while of learning about it. You want to know the underlying layer and that is where Bitcoin started to come together and make sense to me. So yeah, I would say started with lightning and then kind of work my way down from there. Okay. And what was your first project working on Lightning? So it was Jewel. I had the very good fortune and definitely not. Nepotism of being able to join the chain code they're known for their summer residency where they spend I think it's like 12 weeks to get people to work on bitcoin. They did a sort of a short thematically appropriate lightning residency where they did one week and they just had some awesome people in Alex Bosworth Christian Decker, you know, just a bunch of the the lightning All-Stars came in for a week and we learned about it and we built something on it. And so jewel is my project there. I was kind of coming coming again from the ethereum background. I was used to this extension meta mask which plugs and etherium wallet into your browser and I thought okay, this is something that would be really cool with lightning because you know, what's the point of micro payments if you have to like open up a terminal and paste in a you know, a payment request to make payments like it should happen kind of seamlessly and so I built that there and people got a little bit more excited about it than I had expected. So, you know, I kind of kept working with that and then a month later I released it. Properly in the extension store and people started using it. I definitely have to say it's one of the more underrated Chrome extensions out there. I know it's not a wallet per se but it's probably the one that I use like 99% of the time, you know, there's there might be times where I pop out my phone and I use our mobile lightning wallet, but most of the time I'm using my main node with Jewel so awesome N I love hearing that. You know, I take a little bit of credit. It but also use this as a as a caveat of being one of the first other than zap lightning wallets and zap at the time was doing the same thing that Jules still doing which is it just communicates with an existing node over our PC now is that you can create your own node. I don't know that I'll ever get there with Jewel just because for one it's a little bit of a power user tool right now. I think it requires a decent bit of of just know how I've had a separate note. And also I'm Kind of personally horrified at the idea of writing software that fully controls anode. But yeah, the the caveat that comes with that was I didn't have all these awesome wallets to kind of use as inspiration and I think since having made it, you know, I feel totally outclassed when I'm using something like like breeze or a Claire. I just think they're mobile wallets really nail a lot of the kind of look and feel that you want. Out of a lightning wallet and meanwhile drill the starting to look more and more like like enterprise software like Microsoft Excel or something to me, but you know, it was it was an early foray into it and and I'm happy to kind of have been superseded by by these full teams that are you know now building businesses on top of lightning. I mean, I'm just wondering you know, who else is going to take up the mantle of Jewel, you know, I know you were kind of telling me before We started recording that you haven't been able to work on it as much lately. Yeah, it's unfortunate as I'm sure a lot of Open Source developers have encountered like at a certain point you can keep working on this stuff until until the money runs out. I was sort of getting there and and I love working on Jewel and I continue to support it. But I've since kind of had to go back to putting it on the back burner as a side project, but I I like the way you phrase take up the mantle because I really do think that lightning on the web. has sort of taken a backseat to mobile apps and I'm really glad that people have made these these really sleek and you know functional mobile apps, but I really I'm just kind of sad to see lightning move away from from the web which is where I think it makes the most sense because with mobile apps for one, you're always going to be in the Walled Garden of Apple and Google, you know, you're going to be at the mercy of What API is they add to mobile apps and you know being in the Mobile store and they have such a strong incentive to to not have lightning or Bitcoin succeed because they can't take their 30% cut of sales when you're paying with Bitcoin. Where is the web is just completely open platform where you know, as long as you can communicate it over HTTP you can do whatever you want. And so I really do hope that we see See kind of a stronger like web driven lightning experience emerge and hopefully the mobile apps can kind of foster that a little bit instead of fragmenting it because I just kind of feel like we've got a bunch of good mobile payments as it is. I mean, honestly if you want peer-to-peer Anonymous local payments, like nothing beats cash. So I just don't look at you know, the mobile use cases being the most interesting one to me. Okay. Do you have any At the lightening up yourself at the moment Manuel. I really liked the episode you did with crypto to couple of days ago. I feel like that guys that guy was a huge inspiration for me just like sort of pushing the use case of like little fun apps and and I really appreciate that. He has this laissez-faire attitude about like not needing everything to be perfect just to get it out there. So big shout outs to crypto. I'm really excited to see the gaming space move forward with things. It's like light night and the zbd guys working on their games. But as for my day-to-day uses I would say, you know, I mostly use lightning is a tipping platform right now. So bottle pay and tipping me. That's kind of been really the only use case to stick Beyond going to a website and just trying something out once and then, you know, not really coming back. So I think I think it's still a really under explored area. Let's go Jump back into Jewel a little bit here. So how long did you work on that? You know when you were actually working on it. So I probably gave Jewel an honest year of my life with some other projects sprinkled in there because I kind of always knew that Jewel. I'm just one guy, you know, and I didn't want to like try to turn it into a business or take VC funding or whatever and hire people to work on it. So I always knew that it has a sort of intrinsic shelf life beyond what the open source Community wants to deal with it. So I really invested a lot of my time and effort into trying to foster a development Community around lightning and so I've pushed more on things like web Ln which is this sort of open standard that Jewel uses but a few other wallets, like blue wallet have implemented to allow web apps to like request and make payments try to push forward some like use cases that I hope other people adopt like allowances and auto payments and also tried to get the lightning. App developer Community going with some some open source demos and some tutorials and stuff like that. So, you know rather than build stuff myself because I know I'm I'm eventually going to run out of steam or get hit by a bus or whatever. I've really been more trying to focus on getting more people like me who may be billed etherium applications to say. Oh, what's this lightning thing? Let me check it out. Oh cool. It has a strong developer Community. Let me like give that a shot. Okay. Was there anything that was kind of? Fficult while working on Jewel developing it honestly working working with lightning is like a dream at least, you know at the time I would say L&D was clear in a way that the strongest API amongst the lightning nodes. I know there's been a lot of effort from other node implementations to kind of catch up on that front. So I would say the actual API level is really just awesome to work with especially compared to like working with Bitcoin D. But one one thing that really stands out to me and and I've seen a bunch. Of products struggle with this as well is just like the way that software has been going is very anti cypherpunk like host your own Hardware type stuff. For instance. You'll probably remember that like five years ago. You didn't see that many websites use https and now every website uses https, and that's great because you want to have these encrypted connections with website so that people can snoop on your traffic the problem. Is that the The way that HTTP is kind of developed is we've actually centralized the web a lot by having these certificate authorities. You have these organizations that mint these SSL certificates and the way most browsers and a lot of software works is that they check with the certificate authorities. So if I want to have a secure encrypted connection with my lightning node, I have to use a self-signed certificate because one of the certificate authorities won't meant one for me and a lot of software just assumes that that's malicious. Havior when in reality, you know, it's just me trying to run my own stuff. So today a lot of the difficulties that I've run into with lightning development is just that all of the software that we work on is really centered around the idea of having one of the big guys kind of give you the okay, whether it's writing a mobile app and having to deal with store rules or writing a web app and having to deal with DNS or certificate authorities a lot of the stuff that we're Building on top of just isn't really meant for for the little guy who kind of wants to have his own hackers set up which is really unfortunate. And I definitely seemed like Casa for instance having their know that runs in your home, you know that has a self-signed certificate as well and and they've just chosen in their case to not hosted over https. So you have an insecure unencrypted connection to your casa node, which I totally understand the choice they made but you know, it sucks that we have to forego encryption because of its sort of centralized nature in the browser. Well, I guess is there anything really that can be done to address that on a large scale at all on a large scale? It's hard to say. I mean one thing is that you know our browsers at least Google Chrome and you know Safari which have a huge browser share our, you know run by Google and apple who certainly don't mind centralizing factors being you know, it kind of helps their business model. So supporting alternative browsers. Think helps push that a little bit and then but but from that standpoint, you know, you still have to get these things kind of everyone to agree on them. So I think that Mozilla is probably the most open to the sort of this use case of like I want to run my own hardware and so, you know, maybe filing issues on the Mozilla bug tracker But ultimately it's it's really hard as an individual to make an effort in this aside from being vocal. I just wanted to maybe kind of touch on a few of the Other lightning apps that you develop. I think you have maybe two other ones. Is that right? It's hard to know what you consider a nap. I definitely have a few toys out there. Sure. Well, let's talk about the toys then so tip Hub is the one that first comes to mind, which was right after the craze of tipping me really blowing up when Jack gave a shout-out to that project. I kind of had this mindset of like, okay Tippin's cool, but it's custodial and I don't have anything inherently against custodial. Applications I mean, you know I use venmo to settle up with my friends. I still use PayPal on occasion and those are inherently centralized services and I don't I'm not like shaking in my boots that they're going to steal my money any day. And so, you know, I think any project that's attached to a real person with a real name who lives in a first world country. Like I'm not worried about them just running off and stealing my money, but I thought that you know, at least for my censorship resistance and sort of a being self-sufficient standpoint there should Be an open source alternative. So I built this self. It's not self hosted. It is still hosted on a website but it's a way to hook up your lightning node to receive tips. Even when you're not there to generate invoices and you can embed a tip button into your GitHub projects. So GitHub projects have these readme files that will render like images and links and stuff. So it has a little button there. So people can support your open source projects. And so that was a really fun one to build because I you know, what? Great thing about writing software that you would use is you get to use it. And so I've thrown those buttons on the bottom of my projects and I get tips, you know, not like a ton, but I get beer money like every few days maybe every few weeks. It's just super gratifying to like connect with people on that level and to not have to Jimmy Wales style like add a giant blocking header on your Wikipedia page. It says like please give me money, but just have a little tip jar and for people to to drop Money in there and to know that that was a peer-to-peer interaction. I didn't have to trust a third party service to the hold on to the money got it and was there one more thing that you developed as well? I'm trying to think. Well, I could have sworn there was that would be I don't I don't at all want to take credit for this like even in the least, but I do want to find any opportunity to shout out that one of the contributors to Jewel. His name is Jamal James had I had this idea of like a way to spin up simulated environments for developers to work on lightning and he he took this idea and totally ran with it and made this this really cool. Upper tool called polar which I have been shouting from the rooftops. I don't know if you mistook that is something I had involvement in. I helped like a very little bit but it's all on him. But if you're a developer interested in lightning, you should totally check out polar. It's like the coolest tool. I think there is another thing that I actually wanted to mention here at this point. It's not an app or anything per se you did make a series of medium articles tutorial for developing a web lightning web app at that. Is that right? Yeah. So I've been really aren't you know, if I'm being honest I've been frustrated with the lightning Community because I haven't seen on the Node front. There's a ton of great open source development, but on the application front whether it's because people are too embarrassed because they don't think their Source codes good enough for because people are trying to you know, keep their secret sauce secret. I don't know what but there hasn't been a ton of open source application development. So that was something I really wanted to change because most developers. I know really learned by like looking at working projects reading the code understanding how they work tweaking it and then building their own thing. So that was what I wanted to do. So in addition to open sourcing my projects like tip Hub and oh, you know, the the other one you were probably thinking of was the Run L&D shirt sale. There you go. Yeah. Yeah where you had to prove that you were running an l and D node by signing a message and then you could buy this t-shirt. So open sourcing projects like tip Hub like run L&D and then making this this article series because The thing that makes lightning better is getting more people in it. Like it's a network and in order to have a bigger stronger Network. You need more people both users and developers. And so, you know that that's just been a huge priority for me. Got it. Okay. Well, I mean, I've looked at the series multiple times because you know, I've been wanting to become, you know, actually learn how to do more of these things. But I don't you know, I have some experience in Python, but not much experience in JavaScript and I believe you have typescript on this particular project. Is that right? Yeah typescript I think is it's really important to use language that you can have a lot of faith in it doing the right thing when you're dealing with people's money. So I usually advise people to use typescript. I like python, you know, I I want to recommend it but given its runtime error nature where you don't know the code is going to have problems until it actually reaches that point in code. I usually advise people to stick with the type language. For for their lightning projects because there are all sorts of unexpected failures that can happen and you don't want people losing money as a result of that. Okay. Let's say I'm a in advanced newbie. I'm not sure if that'll help but how difficult do you think it would be for someone that's dedicated for them to pick up the series of Articles and pump out a nap here. I mean, I would like be overly complimentary myself and say it's super easy because I did a great job, but I mean the reality of it is I broke it out into two pieces because I knew it would be a big load for people to take on at once but I think that you know, as long as you're not completely horrified by the terminal it's actually really kind of friendly to get started because for one the typescript compiler it's going to like gently let you know where your errors are as opposed to a lot of development where you get an error in a line number and you hope it's going to point you in the right direction and likewise the node developers have done a really great job at just writing. You know really robust software that works all the time at least in my experience in most people I know as experience. So you're not going to run into the kind of issues where it's like, oh no, I forgot to set this like compiler flag and you know, I'm running into weird States like most at least L&D, which I use for the tutorial is super easy to spin up even more. So if you use that app polar that I was just pimping out and so I think once you get the project just running Just displaying the very basic. I think the first post just has it display your nodes info like it's plain text. Once you get there. It's just slow iterations, which I think anybody's easily capable of just follow instructions. And then once you actually get it running, it's pretty easy to see where you can tweak it. You can either tweak, you know, just two Styles if you want to make it your own or you can tweak some of the functionality by changing like simple constant values and I think like the more that You feel comfortable changing it you start to understand more and more of the pieces. And before you know it I feel like you can transform it into just a completely different application than the little the little toy. I have you built. So do you think someone doing these articles are going to pick anything up if they manage to make their way through it? Yeah, I think I think you'll get a deeper understanding of the way lightning transactions work, even though they feel instant. They're actually asynchronous and you need to wait for them to go through you'll probably get a decent understanding of how a modern web application works where you've got some code running in the browser on your users computer and then some code running in the cloud on a server on you know, some computer that's publicly accessible and then you'll also one thing that I think is a good Fringe benefit here is you'll understand better how to secure your node but to not have to like lock it away one like pet peeve I've had for a while Liz the the Bitcoin developers have said like never expose your Bitcoin node to the public internet because you know, you don't know what white bad things people are going to be doing and while that's a good philosophy in general. It can be really frustrating in the use case where you want to have your note accessible like and to be able to use it on the go and see you don't have to trust a block Explorer something like that. Whereas the the lightning approach for all the note implementations that I know of they have a high. Level of confidence in the security of their nodes and what you should be able to expose and what you should lock down. And so I think it'll it'll get you to be a better note Operator by running through these you'll understand how to communicate with your node how to secure it and how to program your money to, you know, interact with it in a safe way. Okay. Can I briefly said that, you know, if you have you know are comfortable with command line that you should be able to jump onto this thing. You know, would you say that there is any other things that people should be already aware of or Ready halves perience then before they jump on this or you know, I used to say at least have a lightning node again. Not not to keep shelling but with polar you really don't need that. I would say just have a tenacious attitude, you know coding is pretty hard. I know there's this kind of a running joke on the internet of like just telling people and industries that are really suffering right now. Like, oh just learn how to code developers get paid so much money, but you know, it's a difficult task to really wrap your head around some of that. So I would say come in with the attitude. That like you're going to have to spend some time learning if coding isn't already second nature to you. Okay, and would you encourage any listeners out there thinking about it to go ahead and to try to give this thing a shot or something II think that if you know you want to if you're if you're motivated to learn more about lightning, even if you don't want to publish your own app, I think it's great, but maybe after either getting a little comfortable tutorial or if you want to really Dive In In in a way that you're really helping people out. I would say look for existing open source projects out there also and see where maybe you can contribute. I think this is great for for getting your bearings. But you know, I think I think really building a community and not having people all work on their own projects separately, but have people come together and work on stuff together really makes makes us better developers and it makes stronger projects and it makes people not feel so Alone, you know just like sitting in their room working on these projects by themselves, but you're actually a part of this this huge movement. So what you say, it's accurate that you've been actively trying to get more developers into lightning. Yeah. I mean, I just think that's the one Edge that I think etherium has had and still continues to have and you know, a lot of people would dismiss that and say, oh, well, they're just, you know, they're building crap or whatever and and I think that's that's too simplistic. I think that when you capture developers, it's there's sort of a time lag with with the kind of value. It has is people aren't building amazing things right when they show interest but slowly you get mind share amongst the people who keep this thing running and as much as I love the usual cast of characters that we have here in the Bitcoin community in the lightning Community. You have to sustain growth for the Long Haul especially if as a lot of these, you know, a lot of people who are holding Bitcoin are are talking about like And generations of wealth like we need to make sure that we keep people interested and and you know, keep building up the next round of developers and that's why I love organizations like chain code, you know Square for having the square crypto team trying to get more people in the space either existing developers from from outside of Bitcoin or to grow new developers who have shown like a little interest in Bitcoin to turn them into full-fledged developers. So what's the actual pitch here, you know? There's this ethereum fan had to get them into into lightning Mmm Yeah, I that's that's pretty tough. I would say as much as I love a good meme. It's really hard to mean people in because memes by definition have to spread to the masses and I really think you have to you have to connect with somebody on what they're there for, you know, what interested them in aetherium if they're interested in the tech. Like I think lightning is such an obvious win when you know, you start Being at the different note implementations in their apis and some of the cool programmable things like hot all invoices and and you know being able to what is it Rusty rustles. I think it's Rusty's but I could be totally wrong but the the chat app built on top of the lightning Network, you know, just things like that. I think lightning has a ton of technical Marvel's to it, you know if they're interested in the transactions per second. Or the privacy or you know kind of those more metrics driven type of things getting them to understand that the lightning network is totally boundless. I think it's huge and getting them to understand that you don't need a blockchain for certain transactions. You can have a high degree of certainty even being off chain. And I think that you know, some people are just turned off of Bitcoin because they had a bad impression of it from a long time ago for some reason or another and so, you know, just approaching people with With kindness and interest and you know trying to bring them into the flock rather than drive them out. I think is always a good approach and you know, maybe you don't gain a true Bitcoin Ur right that minute but you at least don't make an enemy. Okay, would you say that it's almost more likely that you would get someone to jump into lightning if they weren't already exposed to, you know, a different cryptocurrency and some other previous time. I think lightning actually plays well with people who have Um some understanding of cryptocurrency that maybe you're a little disillusioned with their projects. I mean one thing is that that even aetherium core developers will tell you that like layer 2 is the way out of a lot of the problems and and and so many people they have either heard of lightning or they've heard of other layer 2 Solutions like Z cash as the confusingly named bolts, you've got things like plasma and Ridin on a theorem they've heard of these and and they just Assume like okay, it's coming. It's coming. It's some ways off. And so if you can really truly show someone who's already familiar with those. Hey Bitcoin has this cool thing called lightning and it works today like it a hundred percent works. It doesn't just kind of work, you know, it's actually their people are transacting real money on it. I think that that can be really powerful for them to see that that this stuff is feasible that it's here and all they need to do is You Know download an app set up a wallet maybe running a node and they can do it too do you see, you know, lightning kind of transforming, you know, the lay of the land with Bitcoin and maybe and crypto generally and you know in more ways than we have now. Yeah, it's an interesting question. I think lightning suffers the same problem that Bitcoin did which is that it's sort of its identity isn't fully formed yet as to what it's good for. Or what people actually intrinsically want to use it for I know that you had Shinobi on and he hates micropayments and you know, we've heard a lot of different use cases for lightning but none of them have strongly emerged yet as the killer app. I think that It's hard to see Bitcoin being anything other than the store value for the for the short term. So I don't really see people buying coffee, you know, the the classic buying coffee example, like nobody wants to do that. I don't know about you but I don't want to sell my Bitcoin for anything so I don't see that kind of payment working out. I mean, I think what's really awesome and why I like to encourage developers into the space is if you can make a completely unique experience that you can only participate in By spending lightning Bitcoin you no longer have to really argue about like, okay well as Lightning good for this or that because if people want what you have they're willing to to do it, even if they're you know, they haven't totally convinced themselves that they want to and so, you know, I think like satoshi's place is kind of a good example of that people were totally engulfed in the idea of having their pixel on that board and they really wanted it. And so I think that really on board a bunch of people because unless you did it lightning there was no way around it. And I think I think that's why I really like the game use case is if you have a lightning driven game and the only way to play that game is through lightning payments people are people are gonna want to do it. So you can sort of Drive scarcity by creating assets that you're only willing to exchange for lightning. Do you think it's likely that any bigger games or ever going to adopt lightning as their in-game method of you know, getting people on boarded and Monetize Etc. I mean, I won't say no because I think that there will always be Fringe groups that need an uncensored herbal payment methods so that you could be that could be gambling that could be like sex games. So, you know, I could see you one of those communities adopting something that has the the privacy and uncensor ability benefits of lightning but I think ultimately we're going to have to see a lot of the like user experience form before we see anything like that. I won't pretend to know exactly how some of these games are implemented. But right now there isn't really a strong Universal way to hook up my wallet over here to make payments over there. Other than you know by by sending money to them and just having an internal Ledger there and at that point you're not really leveraging the benefits of lightning you're just using you know. Rose in a database like it might as well be Fortnight V bucks or whatever. So I think that you know, that's one reason why I really like the web and I really was trying to push the standard of doing the payments in the browser is because the the unique benefit of lightning payments is that you're in control of the money and games typically have not had that direct level of interaction. So I think unless we can shape a user experience where people are used to program. Being their own personal node, you know their own wallet and like giving limited access for applications to make payments and stuff like that. We're going to continue to see this sort of custodial focus with it, which I think from a larger game developer standpoint. Like there's no benefit to using lightning at that point if they're already fully in control. They might as well control the whole space. I mean, I have a hard time seeing a game company like adopting Bitcoin and adopting lightning. I don't really see. See the overall advantage to them in that maybe I'm being short-sighted. No II think that's a very reasonable approach. I mean any company is going to do what's most profitable and I think unless we see some like absolutely insane shifts in the way the world thinks of currency. Like Bitcoin is always going to be kind of this, you know, unnecessary add-on for most Payment Systems games included. Okay, do you see there being Any interesting use cases in the future that maybe right now aren't practical or anything like that. So I think again I want to say it was Rusty but I'm going to be so embarrassed if I miss attributing but the example of the the encrypted uncensored herbal chat app over lightning. I think really opened kind of this this door of the fact that you know, we're all were all running these always on machines that Are all talking to each other and there's payments built into that. What what can we leverage with that given that I've already set up this node. I don't really mind if I am getting more inbound and outbound traffic from it if it's making me money, so I could see there being things like, you know vpns where you may be directly open a channel and your nodes talk back and forth chat apps, you know as noted before. If you like file sharing networks where you have a hub node, that's kind of like your torrent tracker and and you know, you're communicating over that I guess the court sort of the Crux of it is I don't think anyone wants to be bouncing over hops in the network to do this. So I would be interested to see direct channels where I open a channel to your node that sort of being more leveraged and abused as just a general like hey, I have a TCP connection to you. Let's send some um stuff back and forth and I'm able to pay you very easily for doing that is the lightning Network what actually scales Bitcoin. Sorry to put you on the spot. No, that's it. It's a good question. I really think of scaling was our only problem that you would see people like just using the coinbase app and sending money back and forth to each other using that because you know, you can do it with no transaction fees because it's just a database. Update for them. I mean obviously you risk the censorship and and all that but for 99% of people their use case that doesn't even pop into their mind when it just comes to sending money. So I think if that were the biggest problem we would have a really popular custodial app, but we don't at least to my knowledge, you know, maybe in certain communities and Pockets people are using some kind of custodial app, but no, I don't think that lightning solves scaling but more so because I don't know that scaling yet is is like the most imminent failure case for Bitcoin, you know, I think I think it's good when blocks are full that shows that you know, the market is valuing Bitcoin appropriately that we have as many miners, you know doing as much work as a network needs and we have as many people using it as a network can handle. Okay. So, how about an alternative to scale? And what about the lightning improved privacy? Oh, absolutely. I feel like I mean people do talk about it. So I don't want to say it's it's totally unmentioned. But I feel like when people talk about the benefits of lightning they talk about speed they talk about, you know, the block size problem scaling and I just feel like it's really understated how valuable the lightning Network is for privacy, especially given I think a lot of people don't understand that you can have these private nodes that have private channels where it's not broadcast to The Wider Network and that channel opens and channel closes on chain or indistinguishable. You can use some heuristics to try to guess which things are Channel opens and channel closes, but it's not it's not Surefire. So if you really wanted to be completely private on the Bitcoin Network, all it would take is to open direct private channels to the things that you want to use or to just open direct private channels to Nodes and do hops to where you want to send money and you could even set up two nodes send to yourself and basically have a private coin. Okay, would you say that privacy on bitcoin is one of your personal interests? Hmm. It's a good question. I see the value in it. I don't know if I find it to be like the sexiest problem because I think I have this unfortunate benefit of living in, you know, being an upstanding citizen. Listen who lives in a country that's generally somewhat free and so I'm not faced day-to-day with with privacy problems with censorship problems. You know, I don't really I don't find myself in a fringe group where I'm concerned about that kind of stuff. So I I think that as a developer it's really important to work on something that you're personally passionate about that you gain a lot of benefit from because you're going to you're going to build the best damn thing if you're going to use it and I think a lot of cases I've I've been a bad. I've been bad to my own privacy. I'm sure that you could docks me eight ways to Sunday if you were an invested party. So I you know, I it's something I have a lot of respect for but not something that I personally put first and foremost on my mind when I'm building something. Okay. So what would you say is your current interest? You know, let's say you were able to jump back into Bitcoin and lightning land. You know, what would be your specific little thing that you'd go back to? I mean the person that I love building most for is Somebody who kind of falls through the gaps and and otherwise has a hard time working with the kinds of systems. We have like I remember this story. Do you remember that phone app Flappy Bird? Yes, unfortunately. Yeah. Well, I you know, I got to give a lot of credit. It was made by some guy in Southeast Asia who it was like, you know, just a really small simple side project for him through it up on the App Store and it became an overnight sensation and so for starters like 30 percent of everything that that kind of made went. Apple which, you know when you're living in which poor country like 30% could go a very long way and then because you know, he was such a public individual as a result of that. He started receiving a lot of threats and just you know, had a really bad time of it. And so like I think of that guy when I'm building stuff is like I really want to empower these people who like Bitcoin totally works for them, you know, Bitcoin like would be the a great use case for them whether you're like a Sex worker who gets deep platform by every, you know, financial institute even though what you're doing is totally legal or you know, if you're trying to raise money for something but you know, you rub people the wrong way like I just want to make sure that while maybe you don't have the best user experience like there's always a pretty good option for you. So I've really like the kind of surge of interest in these sort of On tape clones for lightning. I don't think any of them have quite nailed it yet. So I think that's an area still for improvement. You know, I think I think content platforms whether it's like a streaming site or something still seems to me to be a really interesting use case for lightning but I think all of these like we're still really early days in so I don't feel this like mad rush to start working on these things because I know that lightning still has some ways to go from a protocol standpoint. It still has a ton of way to go from an adoption standpoint. You know, I just I really hope that it's all still there waiting for me. Once I feel it's matured to a point where I can take it back on as a full time Endeavor. So do you think that Bitcoin and lightning Network are they helping real people are they in the shape where they could help real people with the Privacy, you know, and maybe more of countries that aren't as friendly as the United States. Yeah. That's that's a really good question. I have a ton of respect for for Lee Chi Hoon who writes for coin desk? I know. you know, she doesn't always get along with the community very well, but that's because I think that she kind of holds us to our word in a lot of ways and she's done a lot of reporting on like the efficacy of Bitcoin in you know, these sorts of either war-torn or totalitarian government run places and you know, whether or not it works and so I think we really Had to eat some Humble Pie when we look at like the recent Iran government internet shut down where Bitcoin could be the coolest thing on the planet, but you know, if the backbone of the internet that we all rely on suddenly gets pulled out from under us like it does nothing for us. You know, I think the place is were Bitcoin is helping right now. They're few and far between where it could not have potentially been solved by Else but you know, I'm okay with that in that we're getting better and we're you know, we're plugging the holes and this is a multi-decade journey that were on to build the best damn payment system that we can and you know, I really appreciate the people working on things like go Tena and and you know, these other like distributed internet systems and peer-to-peer networks. Mesh Network stuff like that, you know people who are really Setting us up to be able to test the limits of of how hard could it be to shut this thing down, but I would say to directly answer your question. I really think Bitcoin is not doing is not doing as much as we want it to is there any way for us to change that? You know, I think one thing that really helps is to try to be a little less complacent in your life and I'm like the main offender on this but you know, just every time you got to tie. in Google or sore, you know, you go to use one of these services that that totally opens you up to the possibility of of being censored or being taken down like go look for an alternative or try to shake up something in your life that you take for granted, you know, whether it's some aspect of your connection to the internet or some way that you communicate with somebody, you know, install Signal or like enable encryption on your hard drive when you turn it off just do a little bit more to be thoughtful. About the way you interact with technology because I think a lot of what these projects suffer from is lack of interest and lack of users because people don't have to think about these things. And so I think if they see more people using it and there's more of a financial interest in developing out these Solutions because there's a market for it will totally see people build more towards this future that that I think everybody who's really deeply involved in Bitcoin wants to see if you could wave a magic wand and you know, No, I either create an app or otherwise change how lightning currently Works, what would that be or what would you do? That's a good question. I would probably want to really extend the sort of apis that we take like that we can expect everyone to have access to on Lightning. So right now the the only thing that you can be sure of for somebody running any form of node is that their bolt spec compliant, so it's these Rules that talk about like how nodes communicate to each other. You know, how payment invoices are structured that kind of stuff like very core low-level stuff. But as we solidify in those and we build up more I would love to see more certainty around things. Like how do I program my node to automatically make payments or automatically generate invoices to accept and just kind of expand on the things that we can build with Lightning by having. And everybody's no to work with it because I just think that a lot of the cool futuristic use cases that we talked about with lightning right now are really hard to push forward when everybody's running slightly different software and it doesn't quite work the same way. You know, I think I think we're just sort of stuck right now in the traditional payments that we have and we're not really going to leverage a lot of lightning if we stick with the same style of like the same things you could do with credit card payments the same things that you Could do with you know PayPal so pushing pushing forward the ways in which we can use lightning without taking it into context of like, oh, I've Apple pay on my phone. So lightning should work the same way as that like in my opinion. We should be like throwing out the Playbook of how payments are done and starting to think from scratch. Like what would you want in this super futuristic ideal payment system. Do you want to maybe flesh that out a little bit like you have any Ux ideas, you want to cook up for us here? Yeah. So again, this is kind of why I struggle with the mobile app thing is because I feel like you know with mobile you're really locked down to what phones offer so it's hard for me to expand on that but like for instance, I think it would be awesome. If everybody's computer ran a little server that anybody could publicly ping it to say like request a payment and so I would have some program running on my computer that Now how to speak this language you would have a little database built into it that I could enter like. Oh if it's like my kid accept any payment up to $10 a week, you know for their allowance and if it's this Subscription Service only accept up to like $7.99 a month because that's what our agreed-upon price was and to really preserve this idea that people can ask without it being too problem problematic because I think that a lot of the dark patterns we see see on the web with like these free articles that you scroll down. Then they hit you with a payment or these like free-to-play games that kind of like milk you and uncomfortable ways to pay come from like applications having a hard time getting you to pay. So by opening you up to making these smaller daily payments, but to also like get people interested in the idea of programming their payments so that they're not totally bombarded all the time with the psychology of having to spend money that you know if I can set up A $10 a month fund budget where I'm just like willing to spend it on things that I actually care about that. I don't you know, clutch it my pearls every time somebody asked me to pay, you know ten cents for an article or something like that because I think when people talk about micro payments, they mostly failed from a psychological standpoint and so by you know, basically getting past that by saying look like, you know, a few pennies here a few pennies there like isn't a big deal to me we can open ourselves to getting more rich tent that were actually paying for you know, I think I definitely seen that in myself at some point, you know, definitely them the move over of that psychology. I think a couple years ago. I was using yours that org. Unfortunately, it's all good. I you know, I have a love in my heart for anybody who tries to do something totally wacky. I know a lot of people hate on like herb it and you know, I just I can't help but like these these weird ideas that are bound to fail but I mean II really Like the idea of you know, I'm throwing down cash for you know, good quality content. I am not sure if it ever got to that point on there, but the concept was great and I'm a Content producer right? I'm you know doing that right now Apparently one thing that I really wish that I had in Bitcoin land was the ability to have subscriptions done automated because I don't want to have some hacky thing going on. I don't want them to have to deal with some hacky thing because I feel like there is no good way to make that happen. I mean even in Fiat land like I have to go sign up for patreon and do all that. I don't want to sign up for patreon. Do you think it's likely that we'll see the subscription thing being more likely in the short term. I definitely know I remember Rusty mentioning at the lightning conference about a bunch of different things coming, but I think if I remember it was going to come at the famous 18 month time frame or something like pretty far away, but do you see Anything along those lines come in the shorter term. Yeah. I mean, I love Rusty's proposal. But I do think that 18 months is honestly optimistic given it's just a really big spec to swallow. He had a lot of ideas for how invoices could be smarter and and and I love all of them, but it's really hard to get, you know, all the note implementations to agree on it and spec it out. I mean probably what we'll see in the short term. ERM I mean, I think I've been a huge fan of L and he's macaroon system from the start. The idea is that you have these like little it's kind of like oauth like when you sign up for a website using like Facebook or Twitter and they say like this website can read this data and maybe post is you sometimes it's the same idea of giving this permission to access to people to access your node. And right now it's pretty naive it only lets you do very like specific hard-coded things like Use this endpoint for sending payments and stuff like that, but it is a of giving people permission access and I really hope we see that in all forms of life. I mean, I think the thing that's really shitty about credit cards about giving out your mailing address your email address. Your phone number is like your public key is your private key in those situations are like Social Security where you don't have a way of revoking some piece of information once you've given it away and I think right now, you know Bitcoin, And lightning are still suffering from that a little bit. We're like if you wanted someone to spend money on your behalf. You would have to give them your private key and by doing that you give it all away. So I don't think that it would take a spec change to come up with a paradigm where I give someone permission to access to my lightning node and that permission to access comes with certain constraints and you know, they can only exceed or they can't exceed those constraints they have to work within them and you know, I And I was like to see that in all aspects of the world. Like if I give out a website my email address. I would like to have a little token that uniquely identifies them and I can turn off that token a point in their emails won't come to me. You know, I feel like one of the best things that Bitcoin has done is introduce a synchronous encryption to the world and get people used to the idea that you can have this piece of information. You can keep it private. You can prove that you have it. You don't have to have the exact piece of information. It allows you to make proofs. And so I think we could extend that to lightning to where we're giving out. These little tokens these permission to access to our node because your Note is you know, conceivably always online if you're you know, if you're a mobile wallet, you might run into some down time, but there's no reason that people shouldn't be able to Ping your node with with some credential that says hey we agreed that you'd pay this much. Like can you do it? I think maybe one more question to kind of close us out. What do you see as being the Biggest roadblock for you know, maybe the lightning Network. Yeah, just the lightning Network on its own. I mean, I think we've got some scary shit lying in wait, you know, I don't think the network has really seen a sustained orchestrated attack on it in the same way that we've sometimes seen with Bitcoin whether it be someone trying to control mining power or you know, people attacking the peer-to-peer Network lightning has for whatever weird reason be able to kind of just do its own thing on. The side and you know, we had that CV a few months ago. We're all the note implementations had to patch and and that went largely unexploited and and we just really haven't seen a malicious actor come into the space and say, you know, how can I either steal everybody's funny or you know destroy all their money and so it'll be interesting to see what one of those looks like because if you have a sufficiently large system somebody's going to come to try to like stomp on your sand castle. So I think probably for me. Station the one thing that keeps me up at night when I think about the lighting now because like oh, yeah, we haven't really seen what that looks like do people come back online. If you were to knock every node that's online right. Now. How many of them would come back online? You know, how many are just people who set it up once and stop thinking about it or you know, how many other people who would be driven Away by one single failure in the system. We just don't know what that looks like. It's a very interesting concept. So the idea that maybe a lightning is too small for any one to give a shit right now. Yeah, it's kind of a blessing in disguise. I think Lightnings in this weird space in crypto where you see all these projects that have like way more funding and interest and they actually have development where I see lightning as having way more development than we've seen funding an interest, you know, it's crazy to me how far it's come in the last two years and to still only be at, you know, roughly like four thousand nodes online at any given time when So many projects have way more funding but far fewer active transactions per day. How about we just jump to the end and you let all the listeners know how they can find you on the internet's. Yeah thatthat sounds good to me. I occasionally post on Twitter, but I'm more of a receiver than a giver so you can find me it. Oh God. I have to spell it out at WBO. Bei are any I don't know. I hope you have shown it to something. Nobody's gonna remember I will capture and then you know, honestly the way that you can flatter me the most is show some interest in some of the open source projects. I've got going on whether that be jewel web Ln tip Hub or any of the tutorials all of my tutorials have GitHub repositories linked to them because of course all my tutorials or about code. So, you know, if you want to learn more about lightning or if you want to become a developer or you know, you just want to know how lightning works better pop in there, you know, if you have any questions like Usually people get annoyed when you treat their GitHub issue queue like a QA section, but I love that man people come in. They're asked questions. I love it. It's so good. So drop on by well perfect. Yeah. I'm always afraid of pinging people too much when I'm doing things on GitHub. But anyway, I really appreciate you joining me on the Via podcast for Chaz. It's been a pleasure man. I hope I hope to tune into many more maybe make a second appearance years from now once you've exhausted. Did your expansive guest list? Well, hey man, I hope we'll see you then, man. Take care. All right later. Boom. That was another electrifying episode of the podcast. What did you think? Did you take anything away from that episode? I definitely did and I hope you did as well at the beginning of the episode. I mentioned it costs $100 a month to for me to run the podcast just to fix that for you. It cost one point four million SATs a month to fund the Cast so if you want to chip in Bitcoin or Bitcoin over lightning, you can definitely do that at crowdfunded lightning junkies dotnet for now. Let's look forward to the future and I'll see you on the lightning Network.

This is the sixteenth episode of the Lightning Junkies podcast. In this episode we have Will O'Beirne best known for his Joule Lightning Wallet browser extension. Joule is a browser extension that allows you to access a remote LND node and do things such as create or pay invoices. Will has also created other apps and has created a tutorial to create your own Lightning web app. On this episode, we talk about: Starting in Ethereum Why Bitcoin? Ethereum Waste of Time? Early Bitcoin Projects First Project on Lightning Joule Chrome Extension Joule Dev Taking Back Seat Favorite Lightning Apps Challenges Devloping with Lightning TipHub Polar LN Web App Tutorial Typescript vs Python Difficulty of Tutorial Getting more Devs on LN Onboarding Ethereum Devs? Future of Lightning Gaming on Lightning Ideal Lightning Apps Privacy on Lightning Network Building for Downtrodden Users Addressing Use-cases in the Real World Reoccurring Payments over Lightning Roadblocks on Lightning Will's Twitter: https://twitter.com/wbobeirne Joule's Twitter: https://twitter.com/LightningJoule Will's Github: https://github.com/wbobeirne Will's Website: http://wbobeirne.com/ Polar's Github: https://github.com/jamaljsr/polar Part  1 of Lightning Web App Series: https://medium.com/@wbobeirne/making-a-lightning-web-app-part-1-4a13c82f3f78 Part 2 of Lightning Web App Series: https://medium.com/@wbobeirne/making-a-lightning-web-app-part-2-414f5d23c2d7 Part 3 of Lightning Web App Series: https://medium.com/@wbobeirne/making-a-lightning-web-app-part-3-58d8c7351175 Part 4 of Lightning Web App Series: https://medium.com/@wbobeirne/making-a-lightning-web-app-part-4-c0997f4353b8 Sponsor the podcast with Bitcoin on-chain or over the Lightning Network: http://crowdfund.lightningjunkies.net  Tip me on Tippin.me: https://tippin.me/@LNJunkies Tip me on Bottle Pay: https://btl.to/@LNJunkies Pay for the episode on LNCast: LNCast.com Follow my Lightning Network blog series: https://blog.sicksubroutine.com/ Follow Lightning Junkies on Twitter: https://twitter.com/LNJunkies Follow Chaz Cryptoson on Twitter: https://twitter.com/thechaz --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/lightning-junkies/support

It's time for a new era of communication the swine industry one that you can get the latest updates while Community or driving to Farms here. You have the brightest mind of the global swine industry in your pocket. Everyone wants to hire more people, but it's actually the back door. That's the problem because people are leaving about as fast as you're hiring them and if you can ever get the back door fixed. The front door is not near as big of an issue. Swine it podcast is only possible with the sport of forward-looking and Innovative companies, like just all always one step ahead and slide fitting every Pig a simple yet powerful big health and production management to not request experts serving producers and delivering breakthrough Solutions Zoom Pro essential trace minerals, exceptional performance and Genesis the first Power in genetics. Well, Come to swine it podcast. My name is Marcelo Salvage your host for today's episode this episode. Sponsor. Highlight is about every Pig the truth is precision swine production is not the future. It's the present every pig is the intelligent Pig Health platform. It is a simple yet powerful Pig health and production management tool request a free 20 minutes demonstration at the Ewwww dot every Pig dot C. Oh, hello everyone today. We are hosting dr. Larry Coleman and we'll get his thoughts on pigs and people. How are you? Dr. Coleman? I'm doing great. Thanks for calling. Thank you for your time and let's get right into it. Dr. Coleman. How did you get involved a pig production and walk us through Through your career so far. Yep. So I graduated from Veterinary College in 1980 long time ago and I was going to do cattle the rest of my life Cal Kev and I move back to my home area which is a cattle area and a strange set of circumstances. But six years later, I found myself enjoying doing the small amount of swine work that I did and ended up going to North Carolina to do swine residency at Raleigh North Carolina State University birthplace and the birth time of the modern swine Evolution that occurred in America that I saw what was happening there and I decided to hurry back home and start a swine career because I wanted to participate in that and I was very interested in seeing In that that industry that I saw developing I wanted that to happen in my home area. So that's how I ended up back in Nebraska. That's very cool. Awesome. So let's start dr. Coleman with your thoughts about pigs and then we move to your thoughts about people so about pigs what have been your biggest lessons on Pig production in general so far. Yeah great question. You know initially back in the 80s or early 90s people thought they could build these very big hurts and isalean production was going to solve all of our health concerns. And so I guess one thing that I've learned is that disease pathogens always seem to stay one step ahead of us and as a veterinarian We thought my pre naively back in the nineties that disease was going to be eliminated and it's interesting that 40 years later. That's still one of our biggest challenge facing our industry. I guess the other thing I learned if I could have another thing that I've learned was the in the difficulty of putting a team together on a farm and having a fun. Chin, as a as a world-class team very difficult. I think the sports analogy works very well, you know, you can hire all the right people but at the end of the day some teams perform very well and some don't so that would be the two things that I learned disease is always right there facing us and the people is one of the bigger issues in our industry very Testing, I love that. So in you work with some very healthy Hearts, I'm sure you have some hearts that that have some out to make sometimes but I know he works with some very healthy Hearts as well. What is the key for Great Pig Health? Yeah, that's a great question. I give total credit to the ownership for creating a culture of Health. The I'm blessed because geographically my area is somewhat low Pig density. So if owners are committed to healthy herds, this is an area that you can achieve it but I will say that even if you put a hurt on the moon unless you have commitment to biosecurity Etc. You will lose that and I am blessed with two owners in particular that are very committed to biosecurity and they're willing to spend the money to create a culture that's conducive to that. They they not only verbalize that health is important. They open their checkbooks and make sure that the pieces are in place to ensure that Health continued. Very nice, maybe a follow-up question on health Larry from a more tactical standpoint. What do you see today? Might be the biggest opportunity for for the fur farms in General on the health side. Yeah. That's a great question. You know, I've been kind of on the outside of filtration that has been very intriguing to me. And it looks like that has been highly successful. We incorporated that technology and it's allowed pigs to be raised successfully in areas where where it was thought at one time that maybe the female hurt or the sow herds would have to be abandoned. So that is a great interest but you know production systems aren't becoming their own. Worst Enemy by creating too much density in a location and that they're spending the money to make sure that they're not bringing disease home to their to their fault. That's very very good. Now, let's transition to two people. Dr. Coleman the culture in some of the production systems. You work with are very unique. What are key? X to create a powerful culture. Yeah, that's a great question. And I've been somewhat convinced over the last 10 20 years. The ownership is the one that sets the culture and I believe the primary way they do that is they are the ones that are responsible for hiring the people underneath them and these people either be care. People and when I talk about caring I'm talking about caring about people or they can be non caring people that really don't care about people. They just want to get things done. And then that those people they have they're responsible for hiring people. So I think this this idea of how important people is starts at the top and then gradually Works down. Through supervisors managers and then at the pig pig level and I think I've been come convinced that people on farms. They have a sense whether the ownership the management actually cares about them or whether it's just about dollars at the end of the day while yeah, I never thought about that two categories people that care about people and people that don't care so much. I love that. What is one tactic that our listeners could Implement today to improve the culture in their Farms? Well, there's lots of things and so I'm not necessarily saying that this is the most important thing but I think if people at the farm saw upper management on their Farms, that would be powerful and not only saw Saw those people but the people that are on the farms felt listened to and so if if upper management would come to the farms and listen to the people and not necessarily criticize them. But just listen to their problems and some of their problems are fixable and some of them are on but I think people that are working with pigs. They need to have their concerns heard and they need to feel like They're being listened to that makes total sense. It reminds me from a book forgot which book was it? But you know, you go to a barbecue and you don't talk much you just listen at the end of the barbecue. Whoever talks into thinks you're great, but you didn't say anything that is quite the the nature of human beings. Yeah, but then like you said, you know, listening and fixing what you can fix two. Yes, but part of that is being willing to ask questions rather than just lecturing people so that a good listener I think is also good at asking questions and getting to the bottom of how the people are feeling. Yes, and I definitely noticed in my interactions with you that you are great at that. Did you have any general tips for us? Yeah, you know General tips. I've kind of built a career around asking questions. That's how I teach that's how I learn. I think I was born with curiosity which helps but if anything that you can do to drive curiosity I think is a great thing because I think curiosity drives the desire to ask questions and And I'm not sure if I have a flow chart on how to develop your curiosity, but that's a skill that definitely needs developed. Very interesting. Love it anything else about big production big health or people before we move to the three questions. We ask every guest. Yeah on the questions, right? Not really, you know, I think the difficulties facing the in Street, you know, I probably didn't allude to this enough but getting Farm staff. That's just a fight everywhere you go. If you can be a producer that is able to achieve Staffing and keep Staffing there because everyone wants to hire more people but it's actually the back door. That's the problem because people are leaving about as fast as you're hiring them and if you can ever get the back door, Fixed the front doors not near as big of an issue and it's not easy. But that is the where we need to focus what would be a realistic while aggressive turnover rate to to aim for you know, I think if you could get around 20 percent yearly that would be ideal. That's very manageable. When you get up over 50% it becomes very unmanageable. And then you're just kind of in a capping create short staffing. And so if you're short staff, the number one thing you need to fix is short staffing. I know that's a play on words, but nobody likes to be at a workplace where there's not enough people to do the work right and then you got into that pyro death. Well, we're very good little class the liver started breakthrough solutions to animal producers via nutritional and no nutritional products services and Technologies and Newt request. We believe in Ingenuity inspired by servitude and that our success comes from helping producers realize improved profitability through optimized technologists and efficient operation. It is time to our famous. All right, so the three questions, dr. Coleman we ask every guest every episode. The first one is what's your favorite swine related book? That's a great question. I guess I've become a millennial over the last ten years, whatever that means that I used to read a lot of books but interestingly over the last Five years. I've discovered YouTube and podcast. I'm having a fist like everyone else about a 10-minute attention span and I love podcasts. I love YouTube stuff and I love anything that's short and that I can listen to when I'm traveling. So as a category that is kind of become my favorite go-to way to access information. Very nice. Yeah, tell you that I've been doing a lot of audio books as well instead of yeah, because you can multitask that way and and then the YouTube videos you can filter less than four minutes and you look and then I look at the ratio of likes to dislikes in that alone already tell you if the video is good or not. Yeah. Absolutely. I love you, too. Bye. I know there's other stuff but I watch stuff on there all the time. It's become a big time waster for me. So well, yeah, and you can like if you want to listen to interviews or whatever. It's yeah. Love it. Very cool. Um, how about I guess I don't know if we already answered the second question, but any book or unrelated to swine or anything could be a book could be a movie could be a documentary that is unrelated to swine. You know, I guess the only thing I I'd say is that I'm a history student and I love history sometimes even in the swine industry. I don't think people understand how we got to where we were at. So maybe I'm not answering your question. But when I want to listen or read other material, it's always history because I think whether it was a Some years ago or yesterday, we're still facing the same problems with people and Logistics and things like that. So history as a category would be my favorite book. So love it. Very nice Alright, and then the last question is what separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Yeah great question. I can answer for myself. I and I hate to call myself successful because sometimes I don't feel that way but I'm where I'm where I'm at today because 30 40 years ago. I was willing to make a commitment to get some some learning in a different area. And I've kind of been in an area that does not have a lot of pigs and I've always felt like it's been hard for me to procure. And because I haven't had 20 swine bets in offices next to me, but I guess my skill that has made helped me a lot is my ability to ask questions. But also be aware of who is out there that is being successful and I always say I don't want to invent anything. I just want to be a copier and so I think I try to copy success whenever I see it and I try to figure out why they're successful and then try to copy it. So once again curiosity and asking questions is my go-to strength, I guess don't worry vendor will yes. Yeah, very powerful a really really appreciate your time. I always loved how you can be very objective and The in your answers. Dr. Coleman. Thanks so much. Well, thank you for yes a great talking to you. So.

Today’s episode will cover Thoughts on Pigs and People. “Everyone wants to hire more people but it is actually the backdoor that is the problem because people are leaving about as fast as you can hire them. If  you can ever get the backdoor fixed, the front door is not a big of an issue.” – Dr. Larry Coleman. Our guest is Dr. Larry Coleman, another bright mind of the Global Swine Industry. Dr. Coleman obtained his Doctor of Veterinary Medicine degree from the University of Missouri in 1980. Following graduation, he accepted a position at a mixed food-animal practice in Broken Bow, Nebraska. In 1986, Coleman left Broken Bow to spend a year at the North Carolina State University working with swine integrators in that state. He returned to Broken Bow in 1987 and opened his own food-animal practice, where he remains to this day. Coleman's personal veterinary medicine passion is the "art and science" of getting employees to emotionally engage when they are taking care of animals. Coleman joined AASV in 1984 and has served on various AASV committees since that time. What you will learn: How he got involved in pig production and the development of his career; His biggest lessons on pig production; The key to great pig health; Key aspects to create a powerful culture in the production system; Tactics that could be implemented today to improve the culture in farms; What separates successful swine professionals from those that are not. Larry’s favorite swine-related resource: YouTube and podcasts Larry’s favorite resource unrelated to swine: history books Edited by Lauro Faccin

Hey guys, this is Lisa and Rebecca and we are here on the secret life of weddings. If you like drama, you're in the right place where we tell you the world's craziest, but true wedding stories. So get ready for the drama on the secret life of weddings. Good day and welcome to episode 106 of the secret life of weddings podcast. This is Lisa Rebecca. Good day. Good day, sir. Good evening to you. I have red wine tonight. I can tell its historical. It's the first time I've actually had alcohol in a while on the show. That's true. It's been me lushing it up. You have been you know filling the Lush void for both of us really for a while. Also, I continue to yes very proud. Also, I two minutes ago, I couldn't stop laughing because Rebecca would move and her tits would literally bash the microphone and knock it flying and I could I just thought it was the most funny thing I've ever seen in my life because she just kept hitting them be like God damn it, and I don't think I've ever really We realized how large they were until you just threw them in my face because don't forget. We got the video chat thing going. I got it. Yeah, I got quite I was like she got it for you. She was trying to get a range of like Hello Girls. The best part is I love her cause she knew exactly what I was talking about. Yeah, the beer there there there Kim is some they're here the road to play today. It's all good. Yeah, because I'm in a tank top because I'm hot it's hot. It's hot. Yeah. You settled now though. There's not going to be any more boob flowing in or you're getting more exposure. You're okay. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I'm good. It's all good. You know, I want you to feel relaxed when we record. So if you need to let them for you made me feel comfortable fine. Yeah is my tank top. It's just funny because I normally don't I don't get a Hello actually you're like in sweats or something like that, but it's hot in there. So I'm setting the tone for the This episode apparently I am too with the red one. That's fine. This is actually the last of the bottle which is like so what am I got sad? I do have a little more upstairs. It's not my preferred one. I actually had lunch with a friend of mine and you know got served their house rat or whatever and then fell in love with it. It's like I can't remember what it's called. It's literally called like house red or something like that. I don't know. It's called get in my belly. It's really nice. It's not dry. I don't like Dry wines. I'm like really picky with red wine. I just like it said not it's funny. I'd pick you as hell but I'll never remember what one's called ever. Yeah, or if I like shiraz our cat cab Salve or I'm like, I don't know one. That doesn't taste gross. That would be great. Can you get yeah I me, you know, right but this one is quite quite lovely. I must say that's good. Hmm your setup. I am good. I am I'm all safe and I have to tell you so I am now I texted you. Earlier about this I told you I tried the app where it makes you look old for god sakes. Okay, I'm probably the last person out here that hasn't tried it and I refuse I refuse to give in to this. Okay. I couldn't I normally don't do those things but I couldn't resist because the results were incredible. Were they though? Yeah, excuse me. You say you don't like me as an old woman I'm saying our friendship is being cut off and about five years. It's just so funny dagger in my heart and you sent not one but you sent to yes. I just wanted to be sure you know, that's how I was gonna It's like oh my God, she did it twice. I can't even bring myself to do it. Once. I was like, I don't know, you know one I look okay the next one. I might look like the Cryptkeeper. So I really had to you know, play my cards and see what I was dealt. But gotcha. I showed Justin you aged. Well, thank you. That's what that yeah answer I was looking for I was totally joking. Oh sure. She's like, yeah swell Cryptkeeper know you aged. Well, it was like you didn't have those. Owls no offense everybody know everybody Charles come up, but you know, I showed just and I said I did the app and he goes oh God. Oh God. Do I want to see? Oh God, and he looks at he goes is it weird that you kind of look like my mom and I said, not at all. I said your mom's a beautiful woman. I'm okay with that, you know, if you want to tell me I look like your mother until he's in bed with you know, that's what your might get a little weird. I know what he meant. No, it's because I'm blond too and she's blond. So an older woman who looks like I say older, but you know, she's Not super old, but she's older than me. Yeah. And the point is he got tones of his mom and I was like, you know what, it's cool. I'm fine. I'm comfortable with that. The funniest part was Justin's like did you do it for me? And I said not yet you want to goes? Yeah, let's do it. So he sits up and I got a selfie of them and I did it and do you want to see Jacob and I want to see it. Okay. I've got it right here. I have to see this. Okay, so here's his before as a heads up. Okay? Okay. Yeah. Here's Justin as a dog. Isn't that wild? Oh my God, that's crazy. It's weird. I it's so weird, but he's freaked me out for real because they're legitimately Meowstic because yeah, you know, it would be really cool. Oh my God, you know what? You should do what get a photo of your mom when she was younger and put it in. Oh, yeah and see how like how she heard it is. Yeah, how close it gets? Oh, I'm so gonna do that you can do you Her to a there's a filter where you can go younger so we can make you look younger if you have fucking down for that actually acts it all do that. It works great. But let me do it. Yeah, you can it's the same photo and you can go younger or older and I see I didn't save it. It's the differences are miniscule. You have to see in person right? It's not the differences to going to old. But let me tell you the best part was showing our children. Okay? Oh my God, so we showed Jill your poor children said guess what? I'm really scared the shit out of them. I will know actually this is the best part. So Jill says she sees my photo and then she goes oh and she sees Justin her dad and she goes oh and then I so do you think she goes well, you're you're still beautiful, but dad's awful or that's horrible or he/she says something amazing about Jocelyn. Oh my god. Wow, or Dodds. That's bad. And then I showed the best part though as I showed. I am and I showed him mine and then I he goes at first. He said something like like oh, I don't like that and I went. Oh my God, that hurts my feelings. I thought I would be beautiful to you forever because he's a sucky Mommy's boy and he loves you so much and I looked kind of hurt and he goes mommy. I'm just kidding. You're always beautiful and gives me a big hug and I was like that that's more like it. And then my favorite part was I showed him the picture of the young picture of Justin and then I flipped over and I was like, look there's Daddy young and here he is old. He goes there was a difference. She just freaked I just freaked I laugh so hard I ran upstairs to tell just like you would not believe the burned your son. Just dealt you. Oh damn. I didn't mean it as a joke. He was like Hey serve that shit up on a platter without issue. Yeah. He did. Yeah, he did. It was something else. There isn't a phasing. That's awesome. It's like damn Liam. You cold I wasn't the same money. I love it. But yeah, it was cool. Really really realistic like crazy realistic. Yeah, it's pretty wild. That's cool. It's the technology blows my mind. So I had to try it I couldn't resist but we should we should totally do a thread of like old old selfies and are in this episode thread in are doing it. Come on, whatever Dino's some asshats going to ghost take my Photo off of Facebook and they're you know, they're mentally I already know I already I'm surprised no one has done it yet. Honestly, it's pretty wild. Do you know what I did though as a test because there was a photo of me and Noel Gallagher that I happen to have on my phone and I was like, okay. I want to see how I look in this photo and but it was like detects two phases. So then I was like, I wonder how it's going to do what it's going to do to him. Yes. I've seen photos of him young and I did the young one. In it, it looked just like them as a boy as a teenager. It was wild. Yeah, that's interesting. I know how they do it, but it was magic. So I'm very curious to see what you think like about the going backwards. Like I want my mom to want to get a picture of my mom and the nature for and see if it looks like her nowadays. Yeah, that would be trippy. But that's what I've been doing with my days. Nice. I'm glad you're being productive. I am I am. Well, it's awesome Chris you are. What about you? My son picked up his car new to him car this week. So awesome. Is that the one? Yeah your parents or your husband's parents or something? No, he bought this last week. So wow. What kind of car a Subaru Impreza? Oh, I don't know that one. Yeah, that's awesome. That's his curve for school what color you know, it's like a charcoal color. Very nice. Yeah. Yeah, it's nice. That's good son. Yeah. So he's never home now. So that's good. If you guess that's good, I guess well, he gets a car and he's like see I mean ever well, you know the hype right? He's 18. He's got his own car. He's all hyped up. And of course that'll wear off. I told him I'm like, it's gonna wear off. You're not going to like driving all the time. He might you never know. Oh, I have a little bit of other big news about kids. Yeah. Let me show you a picture see if you can guess. I cheer like a classic got glasses turn cutie. Turns out she's nearsighted. Oh, yeah. So we've got told by a teacher near the end of school that I guess she was having some trouble reading some letters that were on highlighter or something that was in Super contrasty on some paper. So I was like, oh crap, I better bring her in. So yeah, she picked up the cutest cutest blue metallic frames. They're just adorable and they got little flowery sides and Yeah, super super cute. It might get better as she gets older. But for now, that's her big news. She is so excited to get home. Let me tell you she's got to wait like a week for them to be made or whatever. Yeah, but she's super duper excited. That's so funny. Yeah, my daughter was excited too and she got hers. I'm like why I hate wearing mine. So I know I tried Myers shit all over her dreams. I just want to be like, yeah, they'll be the bane of your existence for the next ten years, but I'm not gonna say that She has she has enough time to find out about her period and everything too. So I really don't want to pile on the garbage. Yeah to early. She's only five sure fair enough. I thought I would you know, just parcel out the emotional pain over several years. That's smart that way that way I don't run out ahead of time. Yeah. Oh, it's getting hot in here Rebecca think I'm going to take my sweater off. Join you in tank top land. Oh you gonna get the girls? Oh, yeah so party. Nice. So what do we have happening in the news this week? Well, well, well well well, let me tell you well, by the way, I'm rocking my wine my for Fox sake wine glass that you got me maze for Christmas. I always was I use these all the time just saying I said, I'm still using my Game of Thrones. Yes girl. Yeah Modern Family star Sarah Hyland and bachelorette contestant Wells Adams. We are engaged Beach proposal check drone video and photography of the moment check a big beautiful ring, check a look of surprise and sheer happiness from his betrothed leading to a passionate kiss. Check check check. I'll be Johnny you be June, but forever Adams captioned the posts, which was sent to music by Drew Holcomb and the Neighbors whole snow wholesome. Holc IM c om b o Holcomb then yeah Holcomb. You're right Highland 28 post a picture of the moment her Beau got down on one knee writing that can't that can't eat can't sleep Reach for the Stars over the fence World Series kind of stuff Highland said on Jimmy Kimmel Live last year that the to have a modern romance that began on social media Wells slid into my DMs she told mole and the two bonded over their love of tacos so he deemed her. Yes funny. Oh get your DM's rocking you guys. Look at that can happen. It's such a coincidence. I had tacos for dinner tonight. So nice. Yeah, very nice. That's about all I can contribute to this conversation because I don't know who the fuck they are. I don't family. You never watch Modern Family. Nope, I'm gonna cable dude, and it's not streaming. Oh gosh, Lisa. It's it's such a good show is a good I've heard. It's really good. Okay, you you actually probably would like it but I'm okay. Yeah. Yeah, but it's again. It's not streaming anywhere. I don't think is it Netflix, I think no oh maybe all right. I'll give it a go. I'll give it a go go. We'll talk a bit ago. We'll talk about okay, so we got a listener question. Okay. Okay, I like this and she said hi ladies looking for some advice here how great of an idea is it for my fiance to karaoke gold digger to me at our reception. Okay. On a scale of 1 to 10 44. Okay. It is the best thing I've ever heard looking awesome. That's I love it. I think by saying areas. I think you just gotta go for it. You don't need advice on this one just do it. I think you knew the answer to your question before you even wrote us my dear and I think you need to send us the video once it's done. Yeah, because I gotta see this shit. Yeah. I actually think this is a fabulous idea. I think it's hilarious. It's so fun even funnier. If you know he legit is super-rich nothing but a gold digger. I don't say the word don't say the word Rebecca. Oh, don't say it. Not gonna say yes. I know the song. That was all that was before I had children I do believe so. Yes, I know song. Yes, do it do it. I think yeah do it. No. No, maybe just do it do it and report back Kay. Thanks. Also, if you have any super stuffed up like stuffy, you know needs to relax type relatives, you know, you may get some Flack for it, but they don't matter so, you know, I think I think there's a shift happening in what x where people are able to get away with more stuff than they used to be. Or years, dude. No, but I think I think a lot more people are just getting on board with it. I think you're seeing a think right. Now. You're seeing a lot more things. People are really really tossing Traditions now. Yeah, you know, whereas before they would you hem and haw over it and will do theirs wedding more than likely do it. I mean though, you know that there's wedding llamas now. So yeah, like let me tell you my wedding this week this weekend. I'm shooting Machado yet. They're doing a flash mob. Yeah, and I'm so excited and only certain people know like about it. So it's going to be pretty cool just because they told you because I've had clients before who just go into him and they found that they forget to tell a photographer and it's like I had that would have been good. So I didn't have my face full of chicken in like, you know shoveling it in and the metal of speeches before I had to run like crazy, too. The Dancing Yeah Yeah, I've got my very last wedding coming up next weekend, which you are helping shoot. So that's exciting. Yeah. I'm very very honored to have you helping me out and Justin. I'm honored I get to shoot your last wedding with you sweating unless someone else wants to pay me a lot of money. That's crazy. Like if you really think about it, it's a very crazy. Has that it's your last wedding. That's nuts. Yeah, like to think about I can't even wrap my head around that idea yet, I guess because I and I will have a last you know, I guess because I haven't so resigned myself to the fact that I'll never shoot one again. Like I yeah, I will quote this or that I will do one like say you're getting married practically in my backyard, you know on a day when I don't mind working on I might do it. So I guess because i'm Not so like I'm never shooting one again. It doesn't necessarily feel like it's probably the last one ever but it's my last booked one. It's the last one that I've looked like a year out. It's the last one I care to you know do that for so yeah, officially, it's my last one. Will it be last one ever time will tell I guess it depends someone wants to fly me to lie. I'm not going to fight you, you know, yeah fair enough not going to fight you. Yeah, but I'll go to Italy to I'll go to Italy when he wants to take me to Leo. I'll go I'll go back to Hawaii. I'll go back to Paris. That would be cool. England would be nice. If anyone you know has some extra cash and likes us Rebecca cam. It's the good times two photographers for the price of one. But seriously, yeah, it's it is officially my last so it's end of the chapter man and of a chapter so bizarre. It's a little bizarre little bizarre 11 years coming all good. So Have a listener story up first this week years ago. When I worked for a caterer, we did a luncheon wedding reception for a strict Catholic Family bride's mom was strict Catholic. Anyway, it was a late morning wedding because the momzilla didn't want them to be publicly leaving the reception to go to a hotel room to do the nasty. They long since already done said nasty said nasty. That's great. But Mom was in severe denial. The couple stayed for the whole reception and as it was winding down the mom took the mic and was at Great pains to inform the guests that the couple would be going bowling and then to the zoo accompanied by their parents, of course before going to the airport to leave for their honeymoon. I've often wondered how that marriage turned out. Wow, that's like Denial in yeah, that's Reasons ridiculous. She knows Lee does was going to happen after the zoo. Does the mother do we know dirty dirty dirty dirty Zeus X that's going to happen dirty. The animals are going to get them all fired up. Don't go to the monkeys like hear what they do. Seriously. How does that woman think that her child was born at this point, you know, I'm not on board with hot like hiding that. Shit, I don't know. Maybe that's just me now. Things are ridiculous. Oh, well, what are you gonna do man? Okay, so our next story was sent in by Rebecca. No, not me Rebecca another Rebecca via Pinterest third-party Rebecca. Yeah yesterday. I got married. It was awesome. Everything went perfectly but it almost went horribly wrong. Here is the story of how chugging a beer saved my wedding ceremony. The ceremony is scheduled for 5:30. I get to Roanoke at about 4:30. And as soon as I get out of my car, I hear music blasting as I walked towards the house it gets louder. There is a rager going maybe 20 yards from where I'm about to do the most important thing I will ever do. Oh no from this distance. The party is loud enough that people will think we chose Little John tracks for the wedding processional. Sorry, that's a bad thing. That's funny. My bride has not arrived and by God, I don't want this day ruined for her. That's so sweet. Ah, I discussion in Sue's among myself and my groomsmen of what we'll fix this we decide some of us will go over but we need a plan for how to best persuade them. I decide that the minimum acceptable result is they turn it down for a half an hour. Our guests might overhear their music world. Taking their seats, but at least the ceremony would be in the clear. I'm going to start by just asking nicely and hope they aren't jerks. My backup plan is to offer them money in case they are aggressive. I bring my most intimidating groomsmen. My groomsmen aren't particularly intimidating. So it's just the groomsmen with the most tattoos. The wedding photographer is very interested in seeing how this plays out and he thinks it could make for some good. Good pictures so he follows us. Naturally. That's what we do. This means my success or failure in Saving this wedding will be documented. Nice. We we followed the noise to a pool party and walk right in this is probably a good time to mention. We are wearing tuxedos. If you ever crash a pool party and attacks, you will be noticed a guy rides up to me looks very confused. Then asks why we are there I explained the situation wedding. Noise Etc. He immediately shouts. Holy shit. This guy is getting married, of course because that's what people drinking do. Of course. I cheer everything is holy shit. This is happening. We can I cheer goes up and suddenly we are in the middle of the crowd. Ah, I explain again this time to a group of about 25. I'm not sure if they're going to buy it into it and someone shouts get him a beer a beers. Found the crowd seems pretty sympathetic to the situation and I asked so we are good. You all will keep it down for a bit and someone piped up only if you chug that beer. I am now surrounded by most of the party who are all chanting chug chug. That's why I would have eaten the damn beer can to make sure my bride had the perfect wedding. So the Chug chant was unnecessary, but appreciated. I polish up the beer talking. The can into the air and the place explodes these guys now want us to join their party people are offering beer bongs vodka shots and pool noodles full of whiskey wait someone or do I get a pool noodle full of that's a good time. It's amazing. Someone asks if I want to jump from the roof of the house and to the pool. Yeah, the bride would love that, right? I decline these offers since I have a wedding to get to and I probably shouldn't be blind drunk and soaking wet. They all agreed to keep it down and wish me luck as we are leaving. They start a hot toddy. That was a nice touch. What's a hot like I know the drink Hot Topic. I don't know. What's a hot toddy. Oh as we are walking back. The photographer says this is one of the most surreal things. He's ever seen when doing a wedding. He shows us some of the shots and they are as good as Expected when we return to Roanoke. The noise level is down the music pipes up a bit at some point but immediately goes back down so they did keep their word. My wife has no idea about any of this until after the ceremony. So yeah, that is how chugging a beer with a bunch of Sigma CH. I add a pool party saved my wedding ceremony if someone from Ole Miss Sigma Chi I think a signature is so uh, I I think I I think it's kinda gets in touch with me. I'll give them a case of beer left over from my wedding. Oh, that's so great story and there was pictures to I'll have to post in our group. That would be fun to see totally posted in this thread for. Yeah, so but it's Rebecca. Thank you for sending that in that was amazing. And I wonder if the bride was like, why do you smell like a brewery? Like when he got to the to say is I Do's I wonder so funny. Oh my gosh, I love it. So if you're like me you have some Form of anxiety or depression or just something on your mind that you feel is holding you back from really? I don't know going forward in life achieving your goals better help online counseling is here for us better help is available worldwide and you can connect with a professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. You can chat with a therapist via video or phone or use chat and text. I'm loving that they have text chat. I'm better at writing down my feelings and my thoughts than I am speaking. 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It'll be good and and the totally worked totally worked. I love it. So up next we have a listener story, which is anonymously which means you know, it's going to be good. Hey ladies, I found your podcast last year after getting engaged in absolutely loved it. I just got married a couple weeks ago and all your tips and rants she knows us. Really helped with planning. My vendors were spoiled to the point that my photographer said I was his favorite client. Yeah, that's awesome. You are awesome. We love you. Luckily my wedding went off without any major hitches or dumpster fires. Sorry, but we did have a ton of drama from my now sister-in-law leading up to the big day. I even considered calling the whole show off and taking off with the hubby to elope without anyone. Because of her shit buckle up and grab your wine done because this bitch is legit cray-cray for a little bit of context. My husband is the younger child and only has one older sister for years apart sister-in-law lives in New York City eight hours drive away and is a fancy lawyer who lives in a fantasy life and is too good for her rural country family the first one Those guys always are the best the first time I met her hubby and I had been together five months and were on a trip. Huh be one read two-thirds of our time was booked solid. I had been warned before the trip that she was a narcissist not a duck face in the bathroom mirror type but a real life narcissistic personality disorder crazy, and she quickly showed her true colors. It was warm and I was a tourist and I had my hair up were shorts and a t-shirt no makeup. That's like me all the time except shorts because my chub rub and all that and I'm not down with that any sister-in-law made comments all evening about me Sephora can teach you to do makeup. If you wear nicer clothes people will take you more. Seriously. You should learn shit. Yeah, you should learn how to style your hair. Whatever. I rolled my eyes at ignored her till the next day the next morning. Had a flight out at two she called the hotel and demanded to be connected to our room. She proceeded to yell at her brother for 45 minutes about how awful it was that we weren't spending the day with her how I was keeping her from her brother blah blah blah and it's been like that ever since snide remarks meltdowns for being excluded limited contact wash rinse repeat. Wow, she's Next Level crazy. Oh, she's high-maintenance. Damn cut to getting engaged. He and I discussed the bridal party. We aren't wealthy and I didn't want large party drama. Thanks for the tip. Ladies. No problem. So we decided on two people on each side. That's good. Right his two best friends and my sister and best friend. He made the decision to leave. For out because of her treatment of him me and his parents. The reason we gave his parents and everyone else. They aren't close and we wanted to keep the party small since that is true. And since we I was paying for everything myself, everyone accepted that sister-in-law even asked about who I had picked for bridesmaids a few weeks after getting engaged and seemed to accept my answer or so. We thought after a blow up from her at Christmas. As we heard nothing from her for three and a half months. We each tried to say happy birthday sent her a hello here and there nothing. So naturally. I knew we had done something to offend her with the wedding coming up. I expected the problem to arise soon. Oh boy fun, 15 days before the wedding Friday hobby wakes up to a long message from his sister. It's too good not to paste for your enjoyment. Okay, here we go. Yeah receipts receipts. Hey and she put the her, um, her brother's name in here. I see that messages I send you on here don't typically get a response, but I thought I would try to reach you. I wanted to mention that I know your fiance must have a lot on her mind and you two are happy and very preoccupied with each other and her friends and whatnot, but I couldn't help but notice that for the and time you are entirely omitting your sister from considerations relating to the wedding. I don't know if maybe it wasn't apparent in other weddings you have attended but typically siblings are included and involved. They are members of the wedding party and are treated in an inclusive manner. Your first wedding was pretty much like you were an only child and at the time I attributed that to and insert bitchy ex-wife's name here. But I noticed you are doing it again for the second time. So all I can say is I don't know if that is deliberate or apparent to you. But of course it is your choice. I am sorry if there was some problem or some reason you are doing that that I don't know about. It is somewhat embarrassing to me to not be included like I don't exist because that is not the usual practice and it was very embarrassing for Me the first time around. I hope you don't feel criticized or take my observation in a way that isn't intended. I just wanted to respectfully draw this to your attention. Hope you and your fiance are well yikes. Wow making it much about her how she layered that though. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's good. So I roll I smack head against nearest wall two weeks before the wedding and she decided that all of a sudden she Needs to be included. Okay, I can include you I picked a really Patty reading and offered her that her response. Oh, sorry. She wrote. I picked a really pretty reading I get any better. It would be about like a third person horning their way in on something and that would just be all is about not a bit love at all. Sorry. She wrote. I picked a really pretty reading and we offered her that her response. She sent wedding photos of all their cousins and How they had siblings in their parties. Oh my God. How Let It Go a reading wasn't good enough. She actually demanded to be a bridesmaid with two weeks left. You can't even get a dress in that amount of time all turnouts. Like no with two weeks left till the wedding. We tried to talk to his parents but his mom took our side and his dad kept saying that I needed to meet her halfway. Okay in a blurs. See these are the people that make narcissists like her You know a problem because they just keep enabling them. Oh just do it. Just it'll make her happy. Just nobody ever says no puts her foot down and just yeah, you're an asshole. We're not doing it. Yeah. Halfway, like maybe give her a reading bus seriously, dude. I met her halfway and she spit in my face after several calls back and forth and more nasty messages. I blocked her on Facebook. That's gushy the wedding coming up, right? Yeah, I don't put up with this kind of manipulative bullshit anymore from anyone good for you. She quiets down for a couple days and I hoped that maybe she had given up but no such luck her flying monkey fathered. I just think that's great because that's her father-in-law. Oh, yeah her flying monkey father decided everybody's gonna be flying monkeys. Now. I need him. I'm at a time. Don't be such a fucking flying monkey. He decided to give her my cell phone number so we could work things out directly. Oh God. Hold on. I need wine yowza seven days before the wedding Saturday. Yay. All planning is finished. All timeline sent out vendors paid stuff packed. All I have to finish is purchasing stuff for the honeymoon hubby and I decide to go shopping for shorts toiletry sunglasses at cetera. When I get a call from a New York number Red Flag. I don't know the number so I don't answer check voicemail and get this gem. Hi, this is your future sister-in-law and your future husband's sister. I am calling you to try to take some steps to clear. Whatever are there may be in terms of you being upset and me being someone embarrassed about the configuration of my brother's wedding. I hope that you and I can talk directly about it. Please call me. This is after voicemails left on hubby's phone that same day about me being petty and small-minded. It does a petty. Time for the record not pretty and small-minded Petty and small-minded. I finally had enough and decided to text her text not call. I refused repeatedly to pick up the phone which only pissed her off, but I know her game and I knew to get everything in writing smart gar. Mmm over several hours. She pulled every emotionally manipulative trick in. In the book Hobby and I created a drinking game for every time she said my only brother. Wow, she told me how embarrassing it was for her to not be a bridesmaid how everyone would wonder why she suggested that I was abusive to Hubby because she hadn't seen him in a year and we were never home for holidays side note. I went to every American holiday with their family and celebrated at a different time with mine the only As Christmas which we celebrated in my home, which is parents knew that plan two months in advance. She asked if I would ever treat my only sister the way I have treated her. She hasn't met my sister, LOL. She accused me of dividing their family because she was so upset. She said that we weren't married yet. And since I was just Hobbies girlfriend, I needed to defer to his family another side note. She told my husband that he needs to talk to me and that I need to learn. Earn that a wife's biblical duty is to take care of him and his family ha ha ha, I would smack a bitch at this point. Oh, I am. Yeah, it's bad. I'm not one to be called a feminist. But seriously girl what the fuck and you live in New York City then. She finally got back to her demands again. It's like she has a bomb strapped to her chest this woman, right? Oh, wow. Again. We are one week away from the Wedding it is literally impossible to add a bridesmaid at this point. She kept feeding me BS about etiquette books and family values and how hurtful it is that I left her out after repeating myself three times that I had a reading for her. I'd be like, I I know where you can stick your reading at this point. Mmm. She could even buy a bridesmaid dress in the same color of she wanted I gave up and turned my phone off. Smart. Yeah later that evening. Where is your husband in this point? I would be like go take care of your fucking sister. I can't even deal with her anymore. Yeah, that's true. Right. I would have him handle because that's just too much. I feel like at this point. I will be at the spa for a week. You let me know when it's time to go down the aisle. Yeah later that evening. My dad calls me. Apparently she added him on Facebook and started in on him too. Okay. Someone needs to real this chicken. Let's go she's got boundaries whatsoever Of course, he wasn't having it because he's not a flying monkey, right? I am a daddy's girl and have done too much for hubby's family and sacrificed too much to have a nice wedding day. So Daddy put her in her place good man said none of his siblings were in his wedding that I was paying for this wedding and no one had the right to tell me what to do groom gets an opinion and all his requests were granted and that she is way too late to complain about this now. By waiting this long to complain shows that she actually didn't care. She just wanted to be the bride at the wedding loll Go Daddy. Wow Standing Ovation for your father. Seriously six days before the wedding Easter Sunday Hobbies dad calls to wish him a happy Easter husband isn't my place but we pretend I'm not there. So his parents will speak candidly about five seconds later father-in-law says he got a call from Sister. And La last night and she told him how awful I was to her lies lies lies and that hubby needs to tell me to call the princess and apologize. Fuck that. I took a screenshot of each and every word that was sent see I smart. Yes, you are and sent them to my husband's mother father in law still didn't back off of me. So I had my dad send his messages to at this point. I'm livid Tell my husband that she is Uninvited and if his parents have a problem they can stay home too shit. I am loving these ultimatums though, like someone's finally standing sure, you know for sure five days to go one day my dad decides to he's relations and calls father-in-law. They decide that the bitch should be encouraged to stay home. However, if she really wants to come here are the requirements That's number one the shit about being a bridesmaid stops immediately. Number two. I totally agree number two all offers are off the table. She can sit with the family but nothing more. No reading. She be in the picture. Yeah. Well, that's a good question number three. She is not allowed in the bridal Suite that's a good call number four. She is to stay five feet away with at least one person between us Wow, it's a restraining order than the wedding restraining order. This is amazing. I've never heard of a wedding restraining order before this is a first for us and we have a hundred and six shows girl. Think about it. That's kind of crazy number five. She is not allowed to arrive until pictures start. There you go. So if I guess she gets to be in some I'd watch her the put a tight leash on that one. Yeah. She's the type to just go in any way even if she's not in that grouping you know number. Six, if she violates these terms she will be given five minutes to vacate the premises before the police are called for trespassing. My family is on the board of the church / venue. We have this power. Wow, look at her. She's like I'm gonna bring a fucking taser. It's cool father-in-law hubby and I all agree to these terms father-in-law informs sister-in-law of the terms and supposedly she accepts and says that she will come and behave a couple of days before the wedding. She did email. Be one last time with the same control your wife attitude, which we ignored. Can you imagine having to do this to a family member? She's stuff is ridiculous like an immediate family member to yeah. Luckily. She decided to stay home rather than show up and steal the spotlight instead. We had a perfect day with no drama. Lots of funny pictures of my nephew being a secret agent way too much food in keg and funny dancing to finish the night. Sorry. This is so long. I tried to cut out as much as I could know that there was too much crazy to not mention that it was awesome. You did awesome. Love you. Ladies so much and thank you for helping me make my wedding perfect. Now I can listen to other people's drama without worrying about my own dumpster fire Lala. Congratulations. Yay. I'm sorry you had so much drama leading up. That sucks. Yeah. Sorry about that your sister-in-law. But yay for you guys, and that's what matters I feel like I need an update. Did you ever I want to know did Ever talked to her after the wedding like did she ever say anything has she said anything to you? This just happened? It sounds like so it's like did you well as Eastern she's just lonely in her life. Oh, I would I would say that's a good possibility someone that overbearing. Yeah, not much to hold onto their I feel a little bad for her. Yeah. I don't I know what was your first clue, you know being engaged is so exciting, but planning a wedding. Ting is so stressful. 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Because you know, we never tell listeners stories. Oh, you are so bitter about that. I'm Petty and you suck. So Perry Liam, it's okay. I love you for that in case anyone didn't notice. This whole episode is from list or stories. I've sent you a t-shirt that says Petty Betty. Yes, when they'll be great. I love it that's got to exist somewhere. If not, I'll make one I finally have a tale to share with you. This is a story. I heard about Amy a woman who recently started officiating in my town. She was marrying a couple at an out-of-town Winery the wedding went beautifully and the couple seemed happy with her service the problem started at the reception Amy stayed which is not common as most efficient sleeve after the ceremony. You know that I see that more often with priests and ministers. Sometimes the other ones do but they usually have other weddings to go to I've had officiants They though I have it's not completely out of the out of the ballpark, but I'm just saying for whatever we usually see it with usually do Lea just once yeah, cuz they usually have more than one wedding a day. That's yeah. Yeah for some reason Amy stayed and got shit-faced drunk. Oh dear. Everyone was shocked at how drunk she got in such a short period of time. She was seen dancing with an open bottle of wine on the Dance Floor. She go Into confrontations with the staff bartender even some of the bridal party she got into a scuffle over her keys, but fortunately she didn't drive home at one point. She walked in with scrapes all over her face and probably fell in the gravel parking lot. No for ya. Amy was banned from the winery and it is unlikely that she will marry couples anytime soon when confronted all Amy could say I was that she didn't know what happened. She got blackout drunk damn girl. Don't drink on the job. Oh, isn't that crazy? That's wild. Oh my God. I can't even think I don't know. I won't begrudge you a glass of wine, but damn girl. Oh honey, it's so bad. All right. Next we have our Double D's and doing we're doing Dayton doing date in this week. Hey ladies, this is a dating story back in the day. When I was young and dumb AKA High School teenager. I'm at the sky through a mutual friend at a small get-together and we hit it off. He owned his own old beat-up truck with a lift kit I had Like God, what is it? Oh, I know what a lift kit is. It's like yeah, they make it like, how do I describe the brown? Thank you. Yes. It's like the truck is lifted right teenage me was hashtag impressed. We had plans. Of course, we had planned to get together and hang out / go for coffee. Now. I must add that the day prior to this. We had one of those ice storms you guys were talking about a few podcasts ago. So there were many areas of ground fully covered. And ice on the day of our date everything was going well until it was time for the drive home. I went to hop into the passenger side of his truck but the spring in my step caused for a major. Slip. Oh, no, not only did I fall but I also slid halfway under his truck. Oh dear. He was still on the driver's side of the vehicle. So naturally I try and quickly refill my lungs with air and scramble up before he noticed that I had. Colin but I can't get up I literally cannot stand a just keep falling on the ice. Oh man. I've done that and you're done that but the ice like ice driveways, it's so funny. Did you ever see those videos videos? Yeah see the video of the guy who like walked onto the driveway and just fell skate like yes failed all the way down. Oh man. That was a good one. Meanwhile, he hopped in the truck and looked over to see no one he got out and came looking for me to find me sprawled on the ground halfway under his vehicle. He had to pick me up off the ground. I was absolutely mortified. That's amazing. Absolutely great. I love it. Nothing is fucking funnier than someone falling down repeatedly, right really, it's true. Thank you for that true. I laugh all the time. Also, if you guys have your own stories be it wedding dumpster fires dating or divorce stories for a double D's you can email us secret life of weddings at gmail.com or go to secret life of weddings.com and use the contact form there and we have another dating one. This is coming from our good friends. The Kim's oh our newlywed Kim. It's new our newlywed bitches. The Kim's. Yes. Alright. So first date The Other Woman and I were both involved with other people Metacafe. She was adorably late. She came into the cafe flustered. We had a lovely day her hands shook holding her coffee mug from being nervous. I thought it was cute after brekkie. I gave her a hug at the curb and I headed home. I text her 45 minutes. I thought for a minute there date. Like started and ended and then they were saying goodbye a breakfast. I was like God damn. That's a good first date found to go. Okay, so they had a breakfast date is that yes at a cafe. Okay, just to clarify. I text her 45 minutes later to see if she got home. Okay. She responded. She lost her car and couldn't remember where she parks. Oh my God, I love them even more now. That's hilarious. Right? She found it an hour. Later. It's the same woman a couple weeks later. We shared our first kiss when she spent the night. Yeah, I played hard-to-get ha ha the next morning. She was driving home was thinking about the kiss the whole drive and didn't realize she ran out of petrol. So gasps gasps. Yes for everybody. Yeah, just know it's not an Aussie or yeah - yeah, she broke down on the side of the road and had to call her dad to bring her gasps. Oh, no fast forward a few weeks. We went on another date and met up with one of her best friends in Brisbane. We had dinner drinks and her best friend invited us back to show us her hotel room. She awkwardly proposition me for a threesome. Friend. Oh, no way my day dragged me out of the room immediately and we went back to my place not long after we were officially dating now we are married. Oh, yes. It's my dating history with Kimberly all about some amazing. Those are great stories guys. Oh and Kimberly still use loses her car. Okay, if you guys come to Toronto only ubering no driving. Yes. Guys, listen I have I've almost lost my car or I did lose my car in a parking garage. She ever do that and I was like drunk after a show or something and I was Justin was driving home or something and I was like walking around and I had parked it in a rush to get there in time for the show. It was after a Tears for Fears concert. She's trying to beat the car be like, it's here somewhere. It's here somewhere. Oh my gosh, that's so funny hot mess all over. Yeah. That's awesome. 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I'm Maria Menounos and you're tuned in to AfterBuzz TV the ESPN of TV time now. Kill that sound of Iron Man Ike empty mag necklace knows. It's the one thing is NXT. It is the Wednesday night the white happy holidays everybody. It is December 18 or a week away from Christmas. And he the last time however Monica y'all I was a happy holiday season's greetings all of that. But you see NXT today was amazing. We had matches. That's how the sentence we got promos everyone do all of that before we do. Let's introduce our all main star Holly panel on the far far left. This guy knows the reason for the season he is a silent night David Christopher. How's it going sir? And it's true. It's going good. I am in the best place to be the best after-show and HTML sure that is because we are cooler than the North Pole. Yeah, and I'm wearing this awesome sweatshirt as well there now school is we are aw is right after this, but on this right she is a poinsettia princess. She's a peppermint Powerhouse give it up for the emmy-nominated. We may know I love that intro as I tried to get that we need to have him like everywhere we go, right I had the best night ever audience, please welcome. And of course the guy in the booth he is hanging out making sure everything is smooth. Mr. Arai guy, you know, yeah how we doing how we doing? Yo good man a Star Wars news as I go man. It's going well. This is Rise of Skywalker is coming out tomorrow night and man the holiday season. Has full effect to got some old-school black and white lighting today. I love it man. It's a wonderful life. So check out Star Wars and do his amazing. I love it. One of the best shows an AfterBuzz TV if you haven't already and let's take overall thoughts this show was billed as one of the biggest of the year of mid winter finale if you will, that's what that is. Yeah, you know, there was a lot of anticipation leading up to this show. I think you know, I think it delivered in some aspects. I think you know this the new Champion definitely Like, you know made the Nyan but I think you know, I think it was I don't know if it was full takeover full takeover realm but I liked it actually really liked his one of my I think was one of my more favorite an excuse that we've had, you know, because it's up and down but I think you know obviously being a fin fan I was I was pretty bummed about that was disappointed. But it bounced out for me a little bit because again, I was backing rip it Ripley and I did call that as I said, he's gonna take it. Yeah, so it balanced out for me a little bit and I thought the matches in between there were actually very good. I was entertained. I mean the performances athletes were put on a phenomenal show. So overall I thought it was a good take some kind of in the middle of feel like the matches tonight had a reason for happening. They weren't just like random like, you know driver matches or yeah them so it's person before so everything had a purpose but on the same time, it was like up all the the two-week build shows I've seen there. We're stronger one of those were wrong not hey Lennox. He I love NXT. It's a wizard, right? Yeah. I'm just saying that the link between little bit of a nougat in the middle here. It was kind of like your favorite. It was like, yeah the caramel in the middle of the chocolate bar. You got some really great stuff in the beginning and you know, I'd hard question on the metal putting on the spot. Yeah. Favorite candy bar favorite candy bar Snickers. Okay. Classic Choice Snickers, but yeah, you know, I'm right there with you on the Snickers that's normal in my my go-to, but just to be different. I'll say KitKat. I'll see you think that was gonna be my be just a waiver. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a simple man. I'm Three Musketeers title is probably the most prestigious title in the company. If not the world to the match delivered punk rock. Let me know bold statement. That's a bold statement over all the titles in the you know, yeah. He had I'm you know what? I mean? And here's the thing I gave adam Cole, you know some stuff in the past him hard time the past right? I will say I was really impressed with his performance today. I really was he put on a great show. I mean him and Finn tore down, you know again, I was disappointed that Finn lost but I mean good for Adam Cole. I mean a good push Finn got him over I mean in props to fin for doing that as well. That's really awesome. And you know, let's see where this goes and obviously Gargano is coming in and that's going to be the feud with Fins, so does that mean Chapo orally now with Adam Cole? So we're going but I mean the the match it was great. I really liked it. You can tell they're both very competitive the match. It was very back and forth. The Maneuvers were it was just it was on point like the chat blowing up for KitKat. Apparently, they're real of Kick-Ass. Yeah for me. I felt like Balor and Cole had this amazing Dynamic where they they are so good at what they do that. They In there and I felt like you know, they both brought the energy they broke both brought the intensity that was needed in order to make this this championship match like, you know believable, right? And I think you know, they work towards each other's injuries and like their vulnerabilities and you know, there was you know, balor's really great and all of those like super cakes than Super Kicks. I mean, he caught a good one when I can't daddy cut that it was like yes, it was almost like HBK asked I was like, okay, that was pretty good. I have to give a shout out for all the commentary on this match because my favorite line was that Balor was faster than a caffeinated hummingbird. Yes. I heard that that is brilliant because they both were working so fast, but all of their moves were so deliberate and so on point that it just made it really engaging to watch. Nothing me. I don't care what's hands on the ganas in the Mexicans Balor. That's all. Okay, is that the way you would have done it? Would you have again? I'll come out and have been distracted with you have again. I'll interfere in the match causing the DQ. Was that the right call tonight. Yeah, I mean part of you know, I have mixed feelings about you know, Gargano coming out and distracting Balor because it was such the match was so good. And then that happened and it felt like such an extended period of time of a distraction. Yeah that I felt it felt a little less. Isabel that Ballard would fall for something like that. Yeah. I say no again. I like I've said in the past I think Finch it's like the belt and I think if anything they would have had Gargano come out and start the few from there maybe attack them, you know, maybe one thing comes down to us as promo or something or even maybe Adam Cole and Gargano and we take this into like a triple triple threat match or something like that more build up, you know, but I don't again no discredit to Adam Cole, but I think Finch it took the belt. I agree with you guys. I just saying you have you have one stable? With all the bells you want to have the Adam Cole drop it first. I just saw it coming. I'm just putting it out there again. I am make fun of the storyline make fun of the draping goal thing. But if I was a creative writer for we and someone's like make this brand compelling with all your belt with one group. I'd like I quit I can't do it. That's way too hard man child Yasmin to get lucky get the crap of lot, but they're good people. I also want to shout out to all the people in the chat. I want to say you guys have been amazing all year. I'm talking guys like mods and Dylan, but she didn't he said to me so many gifts and gifts. - yeah, I feel like I'm Maria Lucci baby was reaching out to me. I'm about to show you guys are amazing. I've they weren't for getting me. I was going to say thank you to because I know you guys to end, you know our Turtle Shockwave. I mean you guys are the reason I'm Sharlene you guys are the reason why we do this but moving on before we get to our next match right guy. Where you at? I like it already. You better subscribe. Bruce every time a wrestling bell rings an angel Garza gets its wings. Yes. Yes, go on iTunes. Give us a five star rating. Happy holidays Merry Christmas back to you flow boys that man that was like I say that I think we're going to have an NXT Christmas album coming out what we should do right guys. Our next match was Damien priest against killing and Dana. This is what that's what was talked about earlier, but having resolution couple weeks ago killing and injuring Oh ding increase Alpha retribution tonight little bit interesting that with Pete Dunn removed from this Dynamic. We said you got to heels on paper in a grudge match. Did it work out to its favor or was it that you meant and what? Yeah, you know, I felt like it might have been a little detrimental for both of them because they're both coming in here with similar looks and entrances and music that it kind of feels like two heels are going against each other and it doesn't really drive the story of this big rivalry. And you know, they're trying to build this like bitter battle between these between these two guys and you know, they have incredible incredible moves. They're really great at you know, using their strengths. Yeah, but I didn't really feel it in this in this moment tonight. Sure. I want to say in the chat. We didn't forget about you. Dang mq or Joseph Goebbels just sewing people to name the chat. You're turning on me a chance. We have Killian Dane. And who we've talked about weeks on the show saying he's not really connecting with the audience. Damien priest has a decent movie set. But honestly, it's kind of an also-ran putting you guys together after the result of the fin about a I'm cold - was that a mistake, you know, I don't I don't think so, especially with these two guys. We got to keep eyes on him. We got to keep this like we're saying this Feud engaging up it is I do agree. It is kind of like two Hills going at each other, but I was actually pretty impressed with this match, you know, and I think just the way it went the story The trying to tell these two essentially bigger guys go At it I mean it was the best. I think that they can do with where they were and I guess a storyline in general, you know, so I enjoyed it and to see Dane get the the pin was was to me I was like, okay awesome. I like that. I like where it's going and then you know priest who he's one of the guys as we talked about the past like, where is this guy going? What are we going to do with him? You know, so I'm still I'm still kind of you know, it's a question mark, you know, yeah, if you're Killian Dane, where do you go? I mean, you know Pete done pretty much rolled over. I mean they have this match here tonight. I have given preschool coming over the victory, but if you're killing day and what's the next threat? What is the next challenge for someone that you're supposed to be an animal doesn't get Beast? Yeah, and then your first two guys interact with beat you clean the Feast of the Beast of Belfast. Yeah. Oh that's yeah, you know, he had you know, they're they're building up Jillian Canaan and and have been for a really long time. I've named Dylan came. Yeah. As you know, he has this huge lifts and core strength and you know just throwing guys around and you can only do that for so long until you need that appropriate opponent that you can really like showcase what you can do and I feel like they haven't found that niche of where there were some good spots on this mess there were some awesome Maneuvers big slams. I mean two big guys, but I agree with you. Yeah, we need to see where we need something else for this guy. You know, we're someone is serving for the match and when I but appear Erisa wrestling purists would say why do certain Superstars choose the wrestling genes that hurt the overall appeal of someone look like they're dumping a house or do some carpentry work and going to work to wrestle. Yeah. I'm biased on this and because I had you know in my mind always envisioned if I was a wrestler, what would my outfit be and that just opens a whole new box you can of worms but one of them would be almost like Aid I don't know if we can say his name anymore Dean Ambrose attire, you know come with the leather jacket, maybe cut off out of the jeans Rock the boots. It's very close to Dean Ambrose and I was like I don't know how you can wrestle and jeans though. I mean, even if there are some genes that are like this Dragon James asked me up at assen jeggings. You can't let go to soccer practice and God, I'm gonna wrestle after work. Yeah, I guess if we are if we are looking at references, I mean Ambrose did pull it off, you know, but I don't know if that works for No, can't wait. Dan the Blue Jays. I don't think it works because it you know, it just it feels like the top part is like really rough and scary and the bottom is like pretty tight. So - yeah pretty serious, but it's funny to play. I'm gonna be on the opposite end City, but like I actually did like it because it was for me it was different for him and you know and the way he wrestled away the match went he got the win you note for me. It was just like a different day and I was like, oh, okay. I actually I did enjoy it. I do understand what you're I mean is like Rockin jeans, you know to work right but I mean, you know, that's what you're going to what you're going to wear. It's casual Fridays Right Moving On we had an announcement made tonight that Dusty Rose Class Type some classic is coming back probably the third or fourth iteration. I'm excited for this because of what it meant for past one of the Alp, but the question I have is who's gonna be in the tournament and if you guys have a early favorite or is this just way too early to tell your favorites it's early, but if Going to say favorite this can obviously be either riddle Keithley or Champa. In fact, it will order that Santiago. Not taxi. Oh shoot because I'd be really BB. Don't talk to you know, what? Can we do that the black man in the singles division? Pull up that like haven't done it something. Yeah me neither. There are some thought and take an arm's yeah done and Roderick strong about two years ago, but I always said it last this time last year. The Forgotten son should have won that tournament only because they needed it more than anyone else' maybe thats there might be their year, but maybe I always think it's pretty cool to have it around WrestleMania season. All right. So moving on after that. We had a match based on accessories as a Cameron ground without his hat things like the cheetah with his hat and they classic every mate. What's up? Well, that was the first thing I said, where's his hat? I wanted his hat and then you know in the you've reminded me like the heck I taken away his power going to the power. I know what happened. You know, I'm wondering what there but I did love because she does entrance with the hat. I was like, yeah, that's where it is. Look a Taurus. Wow. Yeah, I just it felt like it felt a little more lighthearted and comedic for kishida. So that was nice to see ya and you know because she does like that has such Innovative moves and is so acrobatic and has such intricate movements that I think Cameron Grimes is a good match in order to like it kind of elevates them a little bit and I'm still not sure what they're doing and Do you have questions about where they're taking this because I'm not sure what Cameron Grimes is going to do next right? That's that's really next question David Christopher actually actually questioned the chat saying Breeze angle for how about Breeze ankles in the mix as well. That's a be fun. But the question for you David was so we have camera Grimes was sick finish of the cave in got his hat back. Did it matter the storyline was wrapped up so quickly or did you want to see more between kushida and this interplay or was just like perfect two-week program? I think it was perfect to be. And I like the contrast of the superstars the characters they bring it's so different. I mean, you know, you can shoot you got that veteran his Maneuvers set. This is crazy, you know and then again coming up with crimes, you know how we're playing a little bit on his character a little bit. But now that he gets his hat back that tells a story in itself. It's fun. It was a great match. You know, I think that was that was good. Now, let's build more. Let's build off of this and let's see where we can what we can do with Grimes and hopefully you something that character because I think using that hat could be something that we can build with to I mean, it sounds silly it has But I mean, there's so much Santino, you know with his little snake or socket Mick Foley. There's so many little things that are silly like that but they could actually help build a character. Absolutely right and that could be something for real. You're right. You're right. I can argue that at all. So it looks like camera grandma's going to be around four rounds. Yeah, is it too late for cushy to connect with the audience? It is something he's missing to make him like that guy a star maybe the next thing you know, I I'm not sure. I mean, I feel like he's he has the chance to do it, but I'm not sure. If he's had the right opponent yet gratitude to really put them over and you know, they're doing amazing moves like the German suplex and stuff like that and like the he has the ability to do incredible stuff, but I don't know they're still trying to like figure it out. Yeah, and but I think he can be put over if they find the right person. I don't know if Grimes was it tonight. Yeah, I mean II like kishida and I mean his talent is amazing, you know, and obviously he's been in the game for a long time and I think that's it Emily. I think if we just find him the right opponent, yeah, I think he still has the opportunity to get over. Okay, because I mean Negative Nancy was saying there's nothing here but nigga can't see if they were here would say here's a guy that was like many people before him got so many vignettes in promos. Yeah, he had a lot of problems leading up sure and granted the injuries. You can't predict injuries, but he came in and he had a couple matches here and there was off TV and came back and now he's in misery and undercard Feud with preferentially a new breakout Talent this year. He may be stuck there for a while. What nigga Nancy was a house? I mean, I'm totally not face. I mean, yeah, it is all that's always possible. Absolutely. I agree. But again, like I'm just going off of you know, being a positive Hall positive fault because he is so good and there's so much talent there. He's a great athlete. I think, you know, let's give this guy a shot. Hope he doesn't get stuck. But yes, it is possible Nancy. Whoa. Coolest part of the show what's up? What's going on guys? It is punk rock spin of the night and tonight. It's going to be pretty obvious because for me I thought it was super awesome to see Rhea Ripley and Shannon bays are finally go at it one on one. The match was phenomenal. It was very back and forth. Obviously you had the underdog Andrea Ripley her UPS or Downs yet Shana basal plane that he'll we had the interference from her team. There's momentary like oh no, it's Shana going to pull it off or is going to be Ripley and then the finisher which was crazy. We thought you was out. Yeah, and she had that Hulk Hogan like coming back, you know coming back. So I mean, that's me was awesome. And then just to see Ripley finally get it, you know, she's earned it she deserves it. So that is your punk rock pin of the night great for killing the referee somehow. Now I agree and to me it you know in Santana. It was the match. I liked better than the idea. I guess of it. I love the way Santana performed. I thought she brought it she put on a great performance. You know that the match to me was it was more fun towards the end as we got further into it. I almost thought Santana was going to pull it off. Obviously those all those things that you know, we talked about the past with her. She's kind of just there as well. She's been in the game a long time. Yeah, but I don't know what step to make a her either but I enjoyed the match lot and I thought her performance overall was I don't want to say, you know down peo but I thought it was it was a little bit more shiny than EOS. True Evelyn makes antenna Garrett as appeared sparingly on done anything. TV, I think the last time we saw her she was in a losing effort against I Nora what is Santana character role? Is she going to be a star in her own right or is she someone to let me help to enhance all the talents point or career? Well, I mean you have to with any Talent that's moving into the PC and having you know, having the development and learning like you're not going to start right away having like these these intense matches. So I think she's not going to stay in. In that position I but I think she does need to develop what her brand a little bit more and kind and you know the style that she really wants to focus on. I think it was a good matchup against Eva. Shorai. I think Gia shrike helped Elevate her and they had you know, because you sure I has this very like sadistic style, you know and Santana kind of contrast that which is great pure athlete. Yeah, so, but it I think she will find her place, but it's going to just take time. Can I put you on the spot here and say do you think she will get the enemy in the consideration for that women's title within the next year or so was it was like, oh, yeah. Sure. I Orono say it again. He's right CeCe good. She goes she's I don't know if it will be in the next year not. Okay. That's a very I mean it's a prediction about us figured. I think that's yeah. That's where it's at with me to I think it's just a matter of knowing what her brand is. I'm not Sort of brand is yet? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and I guess I'm not sure why I like I'm on board to support her yet, which is fine. I think she's incredible. But I think I need to know how that how that back up. I was with you. Did she hit that stiff shot the hills face and I was like, yeah, you heard it like a cross. No, denying her down. Yeah, so yeah, I commend her but I think you know with every type of athlete and every type of artist teach develop. Well, yeah, I mean, if you're not athletic person you can trust you get you don't get tickets to dance. Yeah. So this is the but moving on in the spirit of the holidays miss Emily may as well have a little bit of story time. So gather round with your loved ones everyone gather around we're gonna have a little story time. I need some hot chocolate get some hot chocolate get your marshmallows in there. So Twas the night before and XT and on every screen not a wrestler was stirring not even Chelsea Green. The ropes were tightened on the Square with care in hopes that Saint Hunter soon would be there. The talents were nestled all snug in their beds while visions of Velveteen danced in their heads. And done in his singlet and Grimes in his hat. Had just settled down for a long Winters nap. When in the locker room there arose such a clatter Champa and Balor returned to see what was the matter away to Full Sail. They flew like a flash tore down the roof without high-flying splash the belts on the shoulder of one confident coal River gave all of his Challengers a lofty. New goal who would be challenging the Suave blue-eyed Beast the archer in infamy Damian priest a smash of his hammer tour quickest under they knew in a moment. It must be Saint Hunter more rapid than Rush his coursers. They came and he whistled and shouted and called them by name now Bellaire now pays were now Ritalin. Reeves on the rayon Ripley on Garza and Breeze to the top of the Rope to the top of the cage now dive away dive away dive now with range so up to take over the talent they flew the cards stacked with matches and Dakota ky2 and then in a hurry, they moved to USA. We're on cable TV. They would finally play they drew in the fans and a new home was found. And down the entrance ramp Keithley came with a bound we basked in his glory and couldn't look back. He sure looked like a boss just like our very own emac. Hey, we all spring from our seats for the show that we love and away all of our favorite sword for above for this was the year to exclaim with all our might. Happy NXT to all and to To all a good night. That's like a best-selling author are there. Yeah, that's amazing. That's a good job and good work. Trucks, I think he could be but the magic that was okay David Christopher thoughts about that. I mean, I think you kind of narrowed that one down. Yeah, the the match was good Pete Dunn still we can still see some so much more from I love that finish of that was intense at the end was really called the suplex X-Factor or something like that. Yeah. That was awesome. It was very entertaining to see like they say the Two Worlds Collide which is really cool because I'm just getting into the other NXT Europe, you know, that's tough. So and I mean again to rezoning on his name. I'm sorry as a combat Travis. Thanks. Yes Banks John Cena Yeah. How they both kept up the the spots were on the Maneuvers are quick. It was it was very just entertaining man. I enjoyed it. I it wasn't, you know, just kind of a slower. Here we go. It was very fun to watch. So I enjoy that. Yeah disable quick before you jump in their memory and it says Kyle Franklin says that was fire me so, you know I felt like it was a little slower match. You know, I'd like this idea of like the worlds colliding you have like this Bruiser wait classic style. But again, I felt like it was you know, and it might have just been the pace of where we were in the show overall sure. We were getting ready to go into the Women's Championship match. So I felt like it was a little bit slow and that it wasn't as you know, I want to see more I want to see above and beyond what you know, I know Don can bring it and I just felt like they're still you know, what? Travis banks are still trying to find that match. You just did it wasn't as solid for me. I mean it was solid wrestling but it didn't it didn't really bring me into the into the moment when you talked about with Pete Dunn sneaked in past episodes, but Travis bags as far as NXT runs it in two matches won against Jackson record The Forgotten Sons last week. He was impressive this one. He was on the losing end, but he did try I know the idea of the NXT territory system is to get talents and different locations that we see them. Are you on on board with Travis Banks over these two outings. Did you want to see more or you're like, I'm good. He's okay solid but nothing write home about I'm on banks to the time on banks. I'm on board with the bank's right now because I'm impressed with his last two matches. Like I said, I enjoyed his match today with done. I thought like I thought he'd put on a great performance the last week as well. And that's yeah exactly. I mean with the Forgotten Sons, like I said, we forgot about him no, no, I mean no but I mean his athleticism. I think there's so much potential that guys. Well, I'm curious. Like I said, he's sparked my interest. I'm curious. I wanna see more Give me both. I think if they keep matching him up with Don and people within that type of style then I think it will be a good good move for him. Yeah, and as a fan of both nxt's I hope people watch the xeu kettles on Thursdays at like 3:00 p.m. Eastern, but I think a lot of guys there and child. It's good to franchise. Yes. I'm sure yeah, that's what my favorite overall R and if I can be full disclosure. I feel like I like how NXT UK like mixes the the gritty but it's polished and it's like Indie, but it's like produce. It's all these harder things. Styles and characters so just like as a slice off one hour show. I love you Kay. That's be personally we should have an episode for that. Okay moving on. Uh, we just met you guys. Emily me you marked out I was screaming shouting because I have wanted Rio Ripley to win forever ever. Really Ripley has been my like star of the week on women's wrestling weekly. She like I think it's like she's she's she's been your boo thang my boo thing. You're busy everyone everyone. She is so incredibly talented and this You know, she had to be answered. They kept building this up. Like how how many days has it been? I know this for 400 450 in this range 570 combines a solid run supers. I mean above solid it is incredible and like they built Shayna baszler up into this Unstoppable Unstoppable athlete. There's a beast right Andrea Ripley. I knew when I suffer saw her come onto the scene that she was going to she was going to take it and I I am so proud of her. Yeah, we she's young. She's so young and shows so much I had of her and I just and I love like the fans, you know, that all came into the ring and like raising her up and we should be was hilarious. It's like wish a that much of a jerk, right? So cool to see her when I mean, she's the heart string, you know talent that we watch she's you know that Underdog you're rooting for you. It just resonates with you and again, obviously how they built Shana dis Unstoppable Champion, you know, like is it possible and then the way they told a story in the match to the back and forth and we're chain it was almost I mean I ripped it was almost out and just wish took a beating and it was it was great. It was just one of those things where I agree with you just had that moment when she won. It's almost like we all won. Yeah, we all.we and we've all been rooting for for Ripley and we have all followed her journey and they've told that journey and told that story really really well read and it paid off tonight, you know, and there was a few really special moments in tonight's match where you know baesler had Ripley in that really incredible submission hold and and she's trying to crawl out towards the Rope. Yeah, and I was like, oh no this isn't it like she's gonna know I was like, it's not happening. It's not happening here. She's gonna fight back and turn it around and support the poor raft. I got a little bit but some reflection to help fund. Yeah really bad here, but I think she turned it around and she made us all root for her which is which takes a really strong person to do that. And I think she's going to lead the women's division. Oh, that's great. That's a great thing because she definitely me despite her age definitely see that she has a lot of years in the game. So the next official takeovers in February this happened before the end of the year. So the question I have to ask is Shayna baszler Rumble entrant raw, call up or transfer we go. I think we should go from here. That's that's tough, man. Because obviously we send her somewhere else and who do we have Ripley ago? Who's her new Feud? You know, what is it to Kyoto or is it you think we're gonna bring down Lynch thing is I love Lynch to death, but the raw lamb is the vision is so thin that the even leave it on last week's episode. She's like, there's no one to fight. I'm being protected. There's no one-on-one competition. I think that would be the perfect you think she'll drop the belt and like in raw before coming down or do you think she'll take the title? They're what you mean Becky nobody's that Robert take a chance. We're taking shape on the Monday night stinks. I think Santa Rosa Monday night's yeah, but then who would be Ripley's rival? Yeah. That's him saying you got Dakota kind the back. That's what are you thinking of Dakota are bringing are encoded you sure I want to master night. And I mean the wrong the Rob women's division is really like right. I mean, I think peeing races coming back in the oven United Jax, but that is not enough because it was Russell made it being what through three months away. That's why you need so I think Nia going to NXT against rip Ali would be something I'd want to see I actually was he yes, I would love to bring Shana up against Lynch that I've wanted to see for the longest time. So absolutely I think that's a good trade-off through the chat says Eula Matthews Aussie, Aussie, Aussie takes the wrong title off of Becky and he over zarya, please. I think that's a next month because he doesn't have any friends. She had a master date with seem out of place, but she won hand-to-hand handedly. I'm just I wouldn't be as excited to see that though and and you know, just It's you know, but it's like I don't care opinions. They think that I would be as entertaining to me, you know, they're both obviously phenomena athletes, but I want to see something more with like a story, you know more of like a villain that's going to happen. But you have to give us the other Feats of the rear. First of right is there's no but I'm interested to see in January what kind of what type of media and like promos and things they put out for maybe some of this new talent coming up that maybe there's some people in the maybe there's some surprises coming down the line for NXT. Yeah promise. Absolutely, there's even but there's even room for raw. Even if you even if you did bring some town from NXT, there's where I mean like how we're saying that women's division. It's the especially the tag team. It's pretty thin. It's running thin, you know, the thing I really confusing of the women's tax division because it is open to all three brands and we can talk about it here is that the last few was on wrong which totally depleted that tire side, but it could have gone the next tee. Yeah. I'm bringing some new people are going to smack down with that division stacked as well. But to your point that one must act in the vision really needs a stable of ladies who can really make that decision maybe if they work on. In a division to raise the elevation of that right, you know, and I mean they did so much opportunity more growth more room for stars. My mean there's that it's a good time. I think. Yeah, and I you know back to it's Ripley's time to shine right now, and I'm excited to see what she does leading up to WrestleMania next year. So far the question 2023 really seems like she has a rocket strapped to her back. How does a woman to business change? Like how in what way are we going to interpret the NXT Women's Division? Yeah, I think it Ripley. You know, I think that roughly is a leader and I think she has the opportunity to bring people together and and and yeah, bring people together. Yeah, I love the fact that you have to legitimate badass but the mixing up like the rest. Yeah, she has a vulnerability and a side. Absolutely. I think we all relate to and I feel like that's why she will make a good Champion. Sure David, let's not absolutely. No, I agree with that. I think that's exactly what it's going to be now you have you have a face holding back? It's going to unite people. It's gonna give that positive hope that strength, you know, it's not like a Cena. Okay, so I mean not to compare not comparing I then but I mean as far as just a Vibe overall just positivity were someone you can really relate with someone, you know, we need that sometimes not. Yeah, but it's now time for us to get out of here. It's the last NXT episode after show of year come back for 2020. But well David Chris we're going to will find you online. You can find me on Instagram and David underscore official underscore Christopher. I said that backwards but you know, Maybe a bit TV network or here every Wednesday with you awesome people tuned in awesome. So you Find me on Twitter and Instagram and Emily May Heller. 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Today I will attempt to answer the question why nofap works? Why have you never actually heard anything negative about nofap from people who have completed the 90 day challenge? Why is it always something profoundly positive to the point where it sounds too good to be true almost exaggerated. I've tried everything in the realm of self-development and bio hacks from fasting to medication and even include genic dieting to increase my mental abilities and increase my motivation and productivity.Although the 50-plus things that I have tried in my life to better myself in one way or another nothing and I mean nothing even comes close to the results. I've gotten from the extended hardmode shrieks I have today. I will try to explain why no flap seems to work so well for the 99% of the population and you will be hard-pressed to find anybody speak negatively of the benefits of no fat especially hard mode to understand this you have to understand two things. Our Evolution as men and instant gratification through Simmons. So the first thing is evolution scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioral traits shared by all people originated from ape-like ancestors and evolved over the period of approximately 6 million years. Now, if you make a timeline starting to 6 million years ago and stretch it until today you will see how the technological revolution has consisted of such a small part of our timeline that would it would Presented no more than a single strand of hair yet every day. We over expose ourselves to these Ultra stimulants that our body is simply not evolved to handle this. I believe is where a lot of today's depression and suffering comes from to make a long story short. Our technology has advanced so quickly and our DNA is just not built to handle this much of artificial stimulation. This wreaks havoc on all parts of our psychology as well as our physiology. For example, the deregulation of dopamine and androgen receptors. This has a domino effect on all of our hormones and neurotransmitters as humans. We have evolved with to sole purposes in life. The first being to stay alive think food Comfort zones Etc and the second is to reproduce thanks X and in modern times masturbation, this is one thing we can all agree upon without debate the problem lies with our An article on that advancements and how we have developed a way to trick our brains into thinking that we have desirable traits, even though we have done nothing to attain these traits and simply reinforces belief in pmo. Every time we orgasm will send a signal to our brains that everything is A-Okay. Then we are desirable males. Even if in fact our true self is a mess. Our brains can't send the motivation and drive needed to turn ourselves into a bizarre double mates. And if it believes we are already desirable. This is why one of the biggest and most popularly report benefits of nofap is an explosion of motivation. The next thing is stimulants on the topic of Simmons what most people think of as stimulants is usually caffeine nicotine alcohol sexual activity social media sugar and drugs, but what most people don't realize is that stimulants include things such as arguing and winning of these arguments competitiveness and winning and sport or game and we cannot forget love which may be one of the biggest and strongest stimulants in life. Also things such as laughing or having deep conversations about topics. We're passionate about with another person may be very stimulated food may be one of the strongest stimulants as a fulfills one of our two main drives in life, which is to keep ourselves alive. This may be why fasting gives similar but not as intense benefits as no Cloud more on this in a different video. Our brain rewards us with all sorts of neurological and hormonal rewards for eating. Just like with sexual activity because it sees that we are fulfilling one of our 2 key driving forces. What is interesting is what happens when we avoid these stimulants for periods of time the brain begins to go into a state of panic and begins to clear our brain fog give us deep insights into problem solving and dramatically increases motivation confidence and energy the brain knows that the body is not fulfilling its evolutionary Duty and starts making drastic many even report. Radical changes in Psychology and Physiology. This may be the reason that men who have completed the 90 days challenge always report progress in their life, which many say previously would have taken them five to 10 years to accomplish. This is in regards to achievements of mental Endeavors such as academic and business goals athletic performance and positive physical changes also seem to be at the top of the list for benefits of completing the nofap challenge. The question is Would thousands of men report all the same list of benefits when they have nothing to gain financially by doing so as well as having no association with each other one thing is for sure and as somebody who has completed the challenge myself can attest there is something not quite understood by science that changes within us and this change is something that can only be compared to the nzt 48 pill from the movie Limitless. If you're familiar with that movie you will know what I mean. The list of common benefits include but are not limited to increase confidence more Drive willpower determination and upliftment of blue increase in discipline improved results from exercise more stamina and endurance clearer skin healthier complexion more aggressive in pursuit of women better response from women becoming more socially dominant. Dropping other bad habits easier to implement other good habits thriving on less sleep less need for downtime increased capacity for Healthy Rewards less or entirely removed brain fog easier to get into a state of flow producing difficult ideas. Increase in the creativity generally becoming more adventurous senses become heightened boats of euphoria sharpened intuition experiencing a dramatic increase in personally relevant coincidences old acquaintances who you haven't spoke to for a long time contact you out of the blue increase in luck seemingly random positive events happen to you more and more often ability. Understand the thoughts of others and accurate Crystal Clear visions of exactly how to resolve life's problems. If you enjoyed this, please do subscribe as there's always new content being being pumped out in this topic and other topics associated with self development.

Today I will attempt to answer the question Why nofap works Why have you never actually heard anything negative about nofap from people who have completed at least the 90days challenge? Why is it always something profoundly positive to the point where it sounds too good to be true? I’ve tried everything in the realm of self development and bio hacks, from fasting to meditation and even ketogenic dieting to increase my mental abilities and increase motivation and productivity. Although the 50+ things that I’ve tried in my life to better myself in one way or another NOTHING and I mean NOTHING even comes close to the results Ive gotten from the extended hardmode streaks. Today I will try to explain WHY nofap seems to work so well for the 99% of the population and you will be hard pressed to find anybody speak negatively of the benefits of Nofap Hardmode. To understand this you have to understand 2 things, our evolution as men and instant gratification through stimulants Evolution: Scientific evidence shows that the physical and behavioural traits shared by all people originated from apelike ancestors and evolved over a period of approximately six million years. Now if you make a timeline starting 6 million years ago and stretch it until today you will see how the technological revolution has consisted of such a small part of our timeline that it would represent no more than a single strand of hair. Yet everyday we over expose ourselves to these ultra stimulants that our body is simply not evolved to handle ( this is I believe where suffering and depression come in). To make a long story short our technology has advanced so quickly and our DNA is just not built to handle this much of artificial stimulation. This reaks havoc on all parts of our psychology as well as physiology, for example the deregulation of dopamine & androgen receptors. This has a domino effect on all of our hormones and neurotransmitters. As humans we have evolved with 2 soul purposes in life, the first being to stay alive (think food & comfort zones) and the 2nd is to reproduce (think sex & in modern times masturbation). This is one thing we can all agree upon without debate, the problem lies with our technological advancements and how we have developed a way to trick our brains into thinking that we have desirable traits even though we have done nothing to attain these traits and simply reinforce this belief through PMO (porn masturbation and orgasm). Every time we orgasm we send a signal to our brains that everything is a-ok and that we are desirable males even if in fact our true self is a mess. Our brains can’t send the motivation and drive needed to turn ourselves into desirable mates if it believes we already are desirable. This is why one of the biggest and most popularly reported benefits of nofap is an explosion of motivation. Stimulants: Now on the topic of stimulants, what most people think of as stimulants is usually caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, sexual activity, social media, sugar and drugs but what most don’t realize is that stimulants include things such as arguing and the winning of arguments, competitiveness and winning in sport or game AND WE CANT FORGET love which maybe one of our biggest stimulants in life. Also things such as laughing or having a deep conversation about a topic you are passionate about with another person maybe very stimulating. Food maybe one of our strongest stimulants as it fulfills one of our 2 main drives in life which is to keep ourselves alive. This maybe why fasting gives similar but not as intense benefits as Nofap (more on this in a different video). Our brain rewards us with all sorts of neurological and hormonal rewards for eating just like with sexual activity because it see’s that we are fulfilling one of our 2 key driving factors. What is interesting is what happens when we avoid these stimulants for periods of time. The brain begins to go into a state of panic and begins to clear our brai

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You are listening here Tuesday, March 12th myself at Nick Morado at Boston Connor at Evan foxy for the last couple of days have been a couple Road Hawks. See, that's the type of shits going to get us kicked out of the hotel. What are you gonna do just a birdcall because we are the road Hawks save it save it. Okay, we've been on the road here. Okay with WWE on Saturday afternoon when there was a tornado happening in the midwest. Yeah, we're talking about orange and red zone the dopplers all the way across, Indiana and Ohio. We suited and booted in jumped into Frank more Otto's, brother. Brand new Jeep Wrangler. Nice jeep take this car is brand-new brand-new Zach drove it three times. Not a lot of me lays miles on this Jeep Wrangler. Hmm don't even know how to move the seat like up and back actually haven't figured out all the buttons on the car yet how brand-new it is for Nick and this is something because Nick is had to Subaru for about 45 years. Now long time 10 years. Let's be honest. I mean I paid thing off thought I was going to drive it into the ground, but, you know, I decided to treat myself reward myself. I said Nicky Wu Card, yeah, you do. Hmm. You're one of the most humble and honest people, you know, probably the best in the history of being humble and better at being hung ever best I've ever known. Yeah, so I said, okay, it's time reward yourself get yourself a new vehicle. So I did and here we are. We take it to Cleveland. We have a nice night. I'll show at the ride a little bit. I need a ride to Cleveland. We we went right into the eye of a storm Monsoon if you will first of all, This is Nick's car, but Nick was not driving on this trip. All right, everybody knows it's listen. Ya gotta go sure just don't ride. I don't do the right thing. I know it's not my thing. I've had to do burr drivers get out of the driver's seat and sit shotgun while I drive their Uber car. I don't like riding in cars. I don't mind driving but I can't just sit there and get antsy. I get I get annoying to the driver to I just get carsick. I mean, there's so many negatives to me sitting in a car driving like One over trip around Pittsburgh here. And I almost vomited. This dude was driving a minivan. I can't do it. I can drive though. So since we were going to hit the road to Cleveland where the fast lane was visit WWE invited us to come what awful place by the way, we'll get to that too Nick just buried Cleveland the entire time he refused to embrace the place, right? Yeah, as we were certain he was refused embrace the place. There's a lot of history in Cleveland. Oh, yeah a lot of history you ever heard of The first-ever enclosed shopping center 1890 right there in Cleveland didn't call it a mall. They called it an arcade interesting naming but still a good thought I've heard were screaming from the rooftops about in Cleveland and proud of unbelievable beautiful place. We literally just walked into it. What a joke embarrassing. That's what see what you're hearing here is exactly how he acted in there, but didn't your time getting there. It was a rough one. I mean it was windy in that Jeep Wrangler and Jeep Wranglers. I had one whenever I was in high school. That thing is a box. So that thing like if Mother Nature wants to give a good help below the Jeep Wrangler goes. Oh, no, you don't really pay off. Yeah, it does. It does some dodging it was moving. It was raining very hard very hard. There's a lot of rain hitting the windshield also maybe rocks hitting the windshield a few potential rocks because we drove right into a storm and really there's nothing anybody could do you never know what's gonna pop up? No because there was like the trucks were driving up in the trucks. Were they an Eels you do the math 9 on each side 9 Wheels kicking up Rain. Yep, and and shit off the road into the Jeep Wranglers thing. Scary situation could only see about a hundred feet in front of you too. I don't even know hundred feet generous very generous. There was a couple times where I was very confused old isil 10. I didn't know I didn't know we're still on the road a couple times when there wasn't a car in front of us with her brake lights. It got a little sketchy there. I'ma be honest. I think we played it off. I think we played it off. Yeah one great. Yeah, it went. For sure, I'm glad I wore my NASA jumpsuit because you drive a car like a spaceship. We're going we're going no, we weren't a lick under 90 that entire ride and keep in mind this whole time. We're just slowly moving with the the orange Doppler radar that's going from Indianapolis to Cleveland. We kept up with the storm. Yeah, that's probably because I think this storm was moving at the exact same Pace as I said, even when we stopped to get gas the storm was like, you know, what? Yeah, let's take a piss break. Yeah, they stuck with us the entire. Trip for me to Cleveland and I am a good driver are aligned. I taught me how to drive I drove the pace car at in the Angie's List. I don't know how many hundreds Angeles that was Grand Prix. There wasn't a hundred. It was a Grand Prix was an IndyCar race where they had a street course though. Okay. Do you know I'm talking about Street course? Yeah. So there's like 13 or 14 turns. I don't remember the exact if you would ask me right afterwards. I would have known because I memorized this course but I wasn't supposed to be the guy. Okay supposed to be like an actual celebrity. Oh cuz he drops out like two days before the race two days before they Angie's Gran Jesus Grand Prix because he drops out two days before so Doug bowls. Good guy at the I Indianapolis Motor Speedway. He married Connor Daly's mother Garner daily doing a podcast for the Indy star by the way, so oh nice, huh? Hmm Andie star hmm. He let us break the news that he was in thing. Sure how we feel about Carla. I mean, I like the colors in front of our seat, okay? Let me if he's gonna Buck us. There's literally a podcast company in town that he's friends with small business small business. That's what I'm saying. I know the show just connecting dots local journalist Joe local journalism, though. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do, but in my head, I'm like wait a minute. Curious anyways, Doug most married his mom and Doug bowl is sends me a text and says on Saturday. Would you like to drive the pace car for the Angie's List Grand Prix? And I said, is this a real question? There's because yes, I would love to do that. He goes. Okay. Don't tell anybody I have to see if you're cleared by Chevy. So Chevy has to give the clear. So I guess he tells Chevy Chevy hops in a plane flies to Indianapolis on Friday and they're like you're going to take some practice. Rounds head Chevy people are smart buy them. Yep, very smart, but they Googled me in at that point. Not the best resume. I mean, we had the mugshot first things popping up. So the Chevy people were like it will goddamn so they show up. It's a stick. It was a Corvette. It's a nice car that thing was very nice and I had never seen the course before so the other guy who's supposed to do it. I guess he had like the the course sent to him on a paper for him to memorize a couple weeks beforehand. I had no idea so Behind the wheel and I've driven a stick before but I knew the Chevy people were a little bit worried about what could potentially go wrong because you crashed that car make Chevy look very bad and the Grand Prix has a lot of turns so it's not just like a left turn left turn. It's a left left. Right? Left left left. Right? It's like life left, you know, it's not easy right left left right left. It's not just left left left left left. Right right left slow right sharp left like you turn. It was Justin slow down. No. No, you don't drift in any car because then you lose all your leverage. But anyways, this guy he's an idiot. It was a question. It was definitely a question was a question that right at the Apex. There was a great come on you you might want the same classes. I want to because you sounded a lot like me sounds use in the car. Club he knows he was in nitrous rush. I was not a mean either though. So I want in there. No nitrous Rush no car club. Just me and Ari line Dyke who happens to have the fastest lap in Indy 500 history living fun fact for you. Yeah. I don't know if he's the fastest car ever on the track or the fastest lap on the track. What are the other his kid was on The Bachelor which just ended I think last night from what I've been told I wished I was here because Ty knows the bachelor does this would be like a very topical pop culture thing for us to do this could take this show to a whole nother level if we did a entire Bachelor breakdown. I know his name's Colton Colton hop the fence. I know he hopped the fence just get out. It was a pretty good, huh. There's a lot of other people having fences that shouldn't be hopping fences. I know everybody knows when you hop a fence use get those hands on top and then you just let it do what it do. You just give a little springboard off top there. Anyways, he were in the Corvette to Chevy suits their. Oh, okay. They were very Just me though, very nice. And I thought about because I have a lot of cars now. I have a car that it has over 600 horsepower. That's I have a Shelby. I have a Tesla. It's like literally the quickest car on the road it moves. I have a lot. Of course. I have some experience in the car game Chevy people don't know this though. So I thought about as soon as I get in the car, there's like a ceremonial picture happening and I'm pulling off I thought about giving that thing a little hungry. I thought about giving a little more huh. Oh and give her a little burn of the rubber. Oh, yeah. So cuz he knows how to flutter the clutch. Yeah. Yeah, and I was like Mom and Dad were there I believe like this is a big moment. Yeah, I didn't I didn't ice ice. I want to get this job. This would be a cool thing to do functional. So I just want to slowly walk. I'm happy to know that I can do an impression of the good you should things take What's his name Chewbacca Chewbacca, Chewie Chewie. Chewie the walkie. Of course. He's that big hairy. Yeah crossbow that look the mom put the mask on did the thing in the car. And then she was on all the late night talk shows. That's the thing. Hmm. I'm a big fan of that thing. Anyway, sorry line Dyke is a guy. I think he's from the Netherlands Dutch. I think he's Dutch. He has an accent really cool. I do things. I can't stand go on people who are intolerant of other people's cultures. Yep in the Dutch. Such absolutely Cleveland, that's you and Cleveland that's three things because she is not a culture. Let's be honest. He was burying Cleveland. I hate do marrying Cleveland. Yeah, why is he leaving was nice by the way and to get there I drive a car lined like because I drove that course for three hours on one night in the Chevy people were just waiting there basically like we're going to watch him run every single one this motherfucker with a mug shot with the hair looking like God damn Gary Busey. That's awesome. Bitch ain't crashing this thing and already line. I was like an incredible coach incredible good. Yeah, I learned the line that night. I learned like everything I would he gave me one to take home. Like he really was invested in me. And then whenever it was show time, I mean he was like let's go and he was lying to the people about how fast we were going like during the celebration laps. Are youse all in I like. Yeah. He was lying to them. They're like on the here on the headset on headset thing. They're like, what's your what's your speed or something like that? And he was reading the speed and he and I were both looking at speedometer. I'm like It's my fucking read like 75 kilometers. He's now he was like, yeah, I don't know. I think it might have been in that anyways accused he was asking because he was just saying 15 under well, that's the way it was telling him it. We're going 90. We're at like 105 because I think he wanted me to go faster. He was very nice of him. He was like go for it go for it. But I learned the lines you see in the vision in whatever you look in your rear-view mirror by the way, and You see like 32 of those little rocket ships at those fucking idiots driving. It's very interesting because they're up on your shit, especially in those turning ones. Right and I just had to keep the Blinder shot just below on how to keep the Blinder shot. So every time I get a car now, that's the confidence that I drive with. I'm big racing guy and obviously I know this but for the people who don't know what a line is perhaps yeah. What is that while you go in low out High you go in low out high so that you can utilize the momentum coming out of the turn to Continue to propel your car at the fastest possible fashion. And on those ND tracks that I race on and drive on if you get off the line, there's this thing called marbles which is like rocks because it's been cleared it on the lines cleared. So when you're off the line all the shit's been kicked in and it's called the marbles because it sounds as if marbles are in your tires. It's like they've really does sound like it eat you the car is telling you like, you know, you're not supposed to fucking be out here. That's what the car is telling you so you soon as you get back. Line, there's no sound so you can continue to go that makes sense stay off the marble stay off the marbles bro, but I go for it. When I get a car most aggressive driver I've ever been with for sure aggressive in a good way like finesse finesse. I couldn't passive for know both skillfully, but aggressive because even in situations where you don't have to be aggressive, you'll finesse your way just to get an extra five seconds just only five seconds. Hey when you know, you're fit, you know you're fit and you know how to ski Please between the truck and I'll tell you what the best is what I make those place, you know, I make those places and the people in a passing me at the red light like what that we get up there and it's just like it's just a slow. It's always just a slow look from the other people and then it's a nasty one wonders why they're so disgusted that they're sharing the road with somebody who drives like me like get off my dick. You see I move I just made get out of here, bro. I like driving. I got good vision. It's maybe good soccer and out of Cannon probably would have been good running back if I wasn't soft. Yeah, I can see it. Those are Glory Days. Yeah. Well, you know the puns and worked out so we don't have to think about Frank or running backs. Hey, you guys learned a lot about us here how the road Hawks. I just want to let you know that the right higher can make a huge impact on your business. That's why it's so important to find the right person. But where do you find that individual? You can post a job on a job board and Hope the right person will find your job, but think about it. How often do you hang out on job boards? Yep, answer that one through all of our heads was never don't leave finding someone great to chance when you can post your job to a place where people go everyday to make connections grow in their career and discover job opportunities you go to LinkedIn. 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Yeah, Boston Market still bangs. Hey, oh boss boys bangs bro. So good. We had a quick pit stop there and everybody here had an incredible meal except for the one person who ordered a deli sandwich from Market rotisserie chicken spinning in the back. He ordered a Subway sandwich from Boston Market. I had a child. I had an entire rotisserie chicken in front of me. Nick had an entire Thanksgiving meal. I believe Evan Fox had like a barbecue a barbecue chicken sandwiches chicken sandwich and Connor the twelve-year-old of the group of the Boston the youngest Hawk. Yes, the loudest talk from Boston at Boston Market just ordered complete shit in was roasted for what he was wearing what he E8 not only by us but sweet old ladies and Tiny towns in Ohio. I mean, here's the thing guys. Like you said, I'm the youngest Road Hawk here. Not all the Hawks get the good meat some have to get the runt of the litter and I know that I'm not gonna go up there and get a rotisserie chicken. How do I know you three don't want to go up for round two. I'm not going to steal that Thunder for you. Yeah, give me the runtime. Hold on. Hold on. There's literally 42 chicken spinning and it did you see that place and they had headsets on in there were standing four feet away from each other, which was a magical moment magical Connor. Somebody in trouble because they refuse to use a headset. They just turn around and talk to the other person and I got yelled at for not use the headset has quite a situation quite kind of scene which is kind of what happens whenever Connor goes anywhere. By the way. I need you to get me a rotisserie chicken. What what God just give me a rotisserie chicken. Hey, hey. Oh, yeah, literally it Hotel 1208. This is what I was just about to talk about his situation situational awareness is dog shit and Connors is such dog shit. Thunder part we walk into a quiet hotel where the WWE is put us in which is what we're in right now screaming in a room, but we walk into this the oldest indoor mall shopping center in the history of America. It's about this beautiful architecture and Connor just walks into and just starts yelling and it just starts fucking echoing through this whole place you think panels from 1890 about the fall off the wall from his piercing shrieking voice. It's your situational awareness 101. He don't got it. Yeah, we got to the casino and Cleveland. We went some money Diner, you know blackjack dealer was very nice. Dealing are you lot of heaters for us we go over the craps table got kind of bullied by the dealers. Oh, yeah, but to be honest, I kind of bullied I lost some money there, but we ended up up as a group go to sleep. Call it a night next day prepare for fastening WWE fastening did a watch long thing. It was a great time. Awesome. You slayed it three and a half hours. Was that long time? Yeah, long time. We're watching WWE Fastlane a lot of things happen there Live on YouTube Twitter and Facebook for the WWE and it was a blast. A lot of people came. Through very thankful for all the guests that came through. I enjoyed everything about it. The Revival did a dirty dance situation two men very large and tough men that a dirty dance scene and then they touch their beards through each other which was magical and the other like puzzle pieces. The ikonics talked about Australia a little bit. They believe it's a real place because we did dive into that in the car a little bit don't ask. I mean I did I had to ask there's a real conspiracy out there that I did not know until yesterday like Diggs is in on it. He said it a couple times. I thought that was just a dumb digs thing. It's no no, it's a real thing like people believe that Australia is a hoax. Yeah, South America. I mean there's a serious case that Australia is just actually South America. Well, they say that every commercial pilot that flies to Australia is in on it and they just fly to South America instead in all the accents are computer generated. This is a real thing on the internet. Anyways, I don't know a lot of Australian people so I got to sit down with to Australia. I mean a place that just is filled with beautiful women and Graham models and in deadly creatures sounds a little fishy. So what you said fire Festival right there I heard it. Yeah exactly. That was all Fantasyland. Something to think about I asked them they said they think it's real so they're from there. They said they think it's real apparently that's what they would say. But all you got to do if you're if you're there the whole time if you're told yellow is green entire time and whole life you're going to believe that and if the pilots every single pilot that flies every single plane from every different commercial airliner that travels from every single country big pilots in on it with your big Pilots all in on it, whatever you leave. You never know because that Pilots saying welcome to Australia. Goodbye see Australia. Yeah flying around pieces of Australia South America, you never know did the fast line thing was a blast drove here to Pittsburgh hit up the casino and Rudy subs today really substance great great sandwiches our CFO who is rocking a pretty solid ponytail. Yeah, and he's also rocking a pretty nice beard on his shoulders. He's got the hairiest arms I've ever seen in my entire life, but he was supporting the merch not a lot of the sleeveless Saudis are out there. So he has one in he has massive arms great beard is wildly hairy arms. Yeah. We took Took those hairy arms right to the casino. And guess what we did again in Pittsburgh. We proceeded to go ding a ling a ling a ling a ding a ling a ling a ling a ding a ling a ling a ling a ding ding ding jackpots. Jackpots God hot on. The blackjack table. All of us did was a road Hawk sweep of that black jacket not to mention the roulette walk it out. Oh see you later hundred bucks. Everybody puts on black. Let's keep it moving we go to the cashier. We all cash out. We're going to go to Monday Night Raw in Pittsburgh. We get a couple extra cash. Connor sees Four Wheel of Fortune slot machines staring at him staring staring so Connor walks over there and he goes well, which ones yeah laughs loud very loud very loud. There's four options there. He doesn't know he doesn't pick which one arms Phil tells him. The second one from the left is the one he likes Nick just cuts in front of him sits down in the one right next to that three max, but spins, whammy whammy whammy Wheel of Fortune thing goes off? Laughs here we go. Spin to Win It says the highest number on there is 1000 Frankie boy won't you hit 1000. You got it. We screamed we screamed in that thing all of a sudden ding a ling a ling a ling a ding a ling a ling a ling a couple more hundos into pocket for oh Nick brodo. Connor could have had that one. He was indecisive. He only one like 20 bucks into one next to it still a winner. So wondered which is a routine for us. It's starting to become something we do. Now it's time to move on to our all-time favorite Underdog success story movement. The watch has found it on belief that style shouldn't break the bank. They sold almost two million watches worldwide by bringing quality designs at fair prices movement watches are all about looking good while keeping it simple. 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I mean we did our part we were into it. I lost my voice. I'm actually losing my voice right now the which never happens to be you can ask my mom that is not a month. I'm gassed. I feel like I went to war out there I feel Like I wrestled I'm exhausted. A lot of people got beat up in front of us. Yeah, a lot of them. I don't like it. I was pounding on the boards are like he was a hockey game. Let's go boys Triple H. Dave Bautista created one of the most memorable moments give about moments in in a long time where David he says begging for what he wants. Yeah. Give me what I want. Give me what I want. He says very angrily and we just said Mac frou-frou Monday Night Football mmm, because there's one guy today that I talked to who wanted to motivate me. To continue to push that gear and yep, there's a little part of free agent frenzy because we will dive into that entirely right after this conversation with the beautiful Rich Eisen that happened on NFL Network, by the way, I will mention this at the end of this interview. The NFL Network had me on a show. Good morning football know and if L am wasn't in the show. Yep. I was like a weekly guest on there. There's like my people I flew out in the offseason woke up at like 1:00 a.m. Because they filmed it in LA was a morning show did the whole thing, then that that show got pulled who canceled. Oh see ya. Oh, and I've never been back on another NFL Network show. Never Never been aspect except for on the internet on the internet. They have me on the internet show on the check down and stuff like that never been asked back. So today Rich. Eisen was doing his show on NFL Network sends me a text goes. Hey, I'd like to have you on their phone network with me. They I said welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. And it won't well All-Pro puncher Pat McAfee here on the Rich Eisen show on the NFL Network. How are you Patrick? I'm fantastic after that incredible introduction. Mr. Eisen. Thank you so much for that. Also, since we are talking free agent frenzy in the Frantic behind it all. Yes, you could also say I was once franchise tag to that introduction, but you didn't no worries you miss him. Every once in a while in order to be here NFL network is a great place to be I appreciate that in this free agent friends, and now when you were franchise tag, See the franchise tag was placed on you or slapped on you would you say it was flat rate my face. Definitely you were not sitting slapper it what's that? We were not pleased with the franchise tagging you didn't want to be franchise tag is upon her know. I was very excited. It was more money than I could have ever imagined in my entire life all of my contracts with the NFL were but it was definitely put upon me like yeah, you're not going anywhere. No, we're not negotiating with you anymore. We'll see if you have another good year. I am right on the face. That's what happened. But I loved it. It was a lot of guaranteed money made my family very comfortable and it's just the NFL is the league to never stops giving just like it's doing today with massive amounts of Brinks trucks being backed up into people's homes all over the country right now. So are you in the city of Pittsburgh right now the great City of Pittsburgh Patrick, I am city of bridges city of chance. So what are our city lights what Primanti Brothers Here? I am right in the middle of it for WWE Monday Night Raw and it is an electric place right now with this Antonio Brown news was some give me the general sense of Fans are thinking he endures here love the Ben Roethlisberger love that he can sling the ball all over the yard. Any yard, very excited that Antonio Brown has gone. Very excited that led Bell is gone. He endures think that they were bringing a lot of drama to this city. They think that the team is much more likable now, although they might not be as talented it even though they only got a third and the fifth rounder for Antonio Brown they still feel as if the Steelers have one because they can move past the Real Housewives. Wives of Pittsburgh situation that was happening inside the locker room. I have no idea if that's true or not because the Cleveland Browns seem to be getting better and better I'll be excited to see what happens in the AFC North but he endures everywhere are rejoicing for Antonio Brown being gone, and I'm not sure that's the right play. I'm not saying they're right at all, but they seem to be happy about it all being over and moving for what do you think's happening in the locker room are in Pittsburgh? What do you think? I don't know managing egos. I think you and I have talked about this managing egos is a huge part of The modern NFL I mean with the way social media is everybody's our own brand everybody's our own business the ability to handle people who are great at things is a huge part of management these days, so I'm not sure if that will scare away other superstars from coming to the beautiful city of Pittsburgh in the future. I'm just thinking that they're hoping that the young stars like Juju and whoever else comes in to fill in is just takes a different path, but I think right now if you look at the Steelers organization, you'll be one that is he Historically great a lot of wins. They got a passionate fan base. But here in the recent history has been surrounded by drama due to not being able to manage attitudes and personalities and I think that's very obvious and this next phase nextera. The Stiller's are going to be a very impressive one will see how many more years Ben Roethlisberger has thrown a ball around here in Pittsburgh. Well Pat McAfee, if as I said at the beginning of this frenzy as well as my show the Rich Eisen show as its named and if Antonio Brown Instagram, Lon, And tweeted his way in a way into the spot that he wanted how has your social media campaign to get you in the Monday Night Football see going right now Pat. I think the campaign went very well. You know it got you and do a little bit of trouble with Kurt Warner, which I love I absolutely love that. That's right. We trended for 10 hours McAfee for Monday Night Football our Intel which means my agents told me. Yes that the day after we trended for 10 hours there was An entire meeting at ESPN for the Monday night football position. My name was mentioned less than once. So I think the media campaign that we ran what I think the campaign was a good one, but we're not results-oriented here. I don't think that we're going to get the results that we're looking for. But we definitely disrupted the whole situation and you helped out immensely with that. So I'm thankful for you forever. So you refer to in the past tense, it's over just because he asked me and held a meeting and you were imagine once Pat come on. It'll be doing come on with right. Listen. Sometimes you gotta Get your ass out there and you find that dog, you know, sometimes you've got to do that and we went for there was a lot of tweets. There was a lot of action there was a lot of movement but there's really nothing we can do for not the meeting. I mean that's pretty important meeting to be a part of this are if you're campaigning for a position that people control and then the people that control that are having a meeting and they don't even mention your name that's going to be tough to keep campaigning but I'm all about getting back on the trail sending some tweets out some character some hashtag and see if we can make Monday night's who most electric side of football again, but it's not my decision. It has to be made so it's not yours either. We just got sit back and see what happened. Yeah, just and let the chips fall Before I Let You Go, can we put up on the screen? My friends at the NFL Network put up on the screen the top free agent punters because punters are free agents to Pat Bradley pinion Pat O'Donnell Ryan Alan if you're if you're want to left legged variety, Jordan Barry and Donny Jones, what do you think of this class of free agents for punters pet? Okay. So Donnie bag of Bones Jones has enough swag to carry and fill in and Our locker room. He's also a Super Bowl champion who came out of retirement big Lefty hits the ball high and far down the middle of the field. So you're depending upon what you want. He only has one ball, but it's a good ball. Ryan. Allen has been in massive situation. So, you know, the butthole isn't going to pucker if you're in a big spot, which is a big deal for a specialist because there's a lot of pressure on you Bradley pinion has the ability to be a great partner. He hits the ball. Well, it goes far. I'm not sure he's got into a consistency that he's looking for. We'll see if that happens in a new ooh spot San Francisco. Also a very windy Place Pat O'Donnell has become a completely different punter. He eliminates returners. He's not going to put up the huge numbers, but he's not going to give up many return yards as well. I'll be excited to see what he does. And then there's the Australian bomber Jordan Barry who has a cannon of a leg from Down Under but I don't know if he's confident at the time being enough to step on the field and do it every single time. You get them a little bit of cash maybe that builds the confidence. There's a lot of bombers out there ready to hit balls and fourth Downs I'll be excited to see where the chips fall if we're talking and Rich Eisen terms. Thank you. Pat bless you sir. You're you're a man who should not give up. I just heard some analysis that's in all four down analysis. They call Landon Collins a box safety. You are not a box broadcaster sir. If I may say wow, that makes me feel really good. I'm about to run through a brick wall here. Maybe send out another tweet. Maybe I'll just go camp outside of Bristol and see if they'll take a call or a conversation with me but rich I can't Thank you enough. I'm not sure if Chris is in there. Tell him I said what's up? Thanks for having me back on NFL Network. The last time I was on here the show got canceled and they never got a lot of fun. Thank you so much. I take care of before the brand has you cooking this Pat McAfee bringing the frenzy to the free agency frenzy free agency was insane. We talked about a lot on there a lot of things happen. We are in Pittsburgh. We just talked about before that how we got to Pittsburgh Antonio Brown situation seems to be one that this entire place is excited about a lot of things. Happen today, though. Nick is going to run through those what do instant reaction. If we have any just know that the NFL is handing out cash right now. Yo a lot of people making a lot of money. It's almost make me want to go get some balls. Hey, if they survive they start overvaluing Butters like it what is happening in a lot of things like this. Hey almost almost dumb not to go back. We'll see except for the vitamins th and see go ahead and let go through the rundown. All right, let's start at the top the most money here Nick Foles quarterback, obviously from Philadelphia to Jackson. Evil 4 years 88 million dollars, they couldn't wait to get rid of Blake Bortles. I mean, there's paying a lot of money right there. And I think this is a good move for them. They've got a good team may be a defense will be re-energized with Super Bowl champion their Super Bowl MVP. I think it's good news and good move for Jacksonville Jaguars arguably the prize of free agency or on the defensive side Landon Collins free safety going from the Giants to division rival. That skins more pissed off about this. Yeah. Everybody's going a good teams right teams are right. Getting built up Rams getting good players. The lions are becoming a good we go it would you say the lions are making place which one's the the animals. Nope the Detroit Detroit Lions. Hey, I'll tell you what foxy foxy has been a lions fan for a long time whole life through a lot of hard times 24 years of it when I talked to Matt Patricia before that Packers Lions game. He basically said like I just need to get my guys in here my type of guys in here the Patriot Way is what They're looking for and they have been making Patriot Place. Yeah, they've literally been making pictures not Overlook the McAfee bump in this entire thing with them a Patricia conversation. Absolutely and week. They go to Lambeau you're calling the game. One of the lines ever beat the Packers and held them to 0.8 and shut them out. Exactly. I have a bad thought I'll take credit for it if that's the case because it looks like they're putting together quite a team there man, but Landon Collins goes the Redskins. It's like what are we doing stuff? I mean he had a good career. I guess. I don't know. I mean, he's gonna go there for another stream here. Like, why are the Redskins doing this Michael do let him go to a good let him go to at eat like a team team. Yeah Contender. Yeah. Yeah speaking contenders Trent brown leaves New England goes to the Oakland Raiders four-year deal 54 million dollars. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry 66 million dollars was looking below here Kwan Alexander. The linebacker goes from Tampa Bay to San Francisco on a four-year deal for 54 million dollars Mitch Morse the senator from Kansas City going A buffalo for years forty four million dollars Tyrann Mathieu the safety the honey badger from Texans to the Kansas City Chiefs Vice of Chase very good. They needed some help how much 3 years 42 million. Oh my God. He's so rich, by the way, it happened and he's so good and remember at people at LSU people are trying to act like him having a marijuana failed test is going to ruin his life. This guy just played football man. He used to dominate college football now dominates in the NFL now, he's on a Now, he's on a real Team Realty. Let's see what happens here. We had tray flowers going from New England to Detroit to your lines foxy. Good pass rusher their Connor. You want to say your say your piece here Trey? Thank you for I know you're listening. Thank you for everything you did for us Madam L literally think the neighbors just woke up there. I did hear some stirring. I think we're getting it out Adam unfreeze wide receiver going from Tampa Bay to Tennessee for your deal 36 million dollars just in Coleman cornerback from Seattle to Detroit for years 36 million dollars cream Jack. Peace and safety from Houston to Denver three years 33 million dollars Malik Jackson the d-tackle leaving Jacksonville Jacksonville going to Philly for three years 30 million James and Crowder. This was an interesting one wide receiver leaving the Redskins going to the Jets three years 20 mil can have a Carro strong safety Tennessee resigns with Tennessee for year 26 million dollar deal Rob Halford Atlanta to Arizona 22 million dollars. Wow. Let's see what else we got. Here are quite old. Leaving Baltimore going to the rims to your deal. Devin funchess. Oh, yeah, come to Coast. Let's go finally decide to spend some of that a hundred million dollars. They got one year deal patient Chris Powers being patient. Yeah. We know he's being face right slow game. We know this guy knows what he's doing. No, Dwayne Allen leaving New England going to the Dolphins in Miami to your deal by Dwayne Danny Amendola. Why is the beautiful beaches of Miami heading up to the Gilmore by the way, even on Troy till do more? It'll do more than just on the field stuff. You gotta remember that's a good veteran locker room presents their Championship mentality, you know stand speaking of that. So we got Carlos Hyde go from Jacksonville Casey on a one-year deal. And then we have Frank Gore going from Miami's god-awful. Oh awesome that's going to be a ground and pound up or Frank or anything else. Those are the notables. Okay. So this is what the NFL realizes about itself anytime. It wants it can take over the new cycle. Yes. This is taking over not only Rappaport sent out a tweet that he was going to Buffalo Bills and then I just heard the entire behind-the-scenes Story the NFL free agency process is absurd and here's a conversation with a guy who's been inside of it for decades decades and I talked to him for all right there on the phone about four or five minutes after I woke up this morning. It's probably going to be obvious early, but I think the conversation well, well ladies and gentlemen joining me now while While I sit in a hotel in his hometown of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, this man has been breaking news and Reporting on the greatest league in Earth the NFL for years and years and decades and decades you can hear him now on the radio and Seattle. You can also hear him with his own podcast. He's a legend on ESPN and just in the reporting game in general ladies and gentlemen, Braddock, Pennsylvania native do Came grad, John Clayton Pat. How are you? And what are you doing in Pittsburgh? Are you feeling Antonio Brown or what you and I both know. I'm nowhere near that athletic. I'm actually here with the WWE. But thank you for bringing up what I want to ask the one and only professor of this whole thing. It seems as if the Steelers might have an ego management problem with les Belles James Harrison now. Antonio Brown is this an issue that's going to happen going forward or they can have to rebuild an entire young team around Juju a solid defense and an aging Ben Roethlisberger. What do you think happens at the Pittsburgh Steelers next? I think they've now taken care of the problem because Le'Veon Bell is going to leave in free agency they made the trade. So I think they've cleaned up the locker room now and I think everybody in the locker room knows who's in charge. I mean, it's Ben Roethlisberger and you've got to perform the way he wants. I think that Antonio had problems with that level. On was just more money oriented than anything else. And so when you put that all together, it's a now. I think it's a younger team clearly because you know Brown was in his 30s bellicose still in his prime, but they're not going to be as talented. But I do think the locker room situation is going to be cleaned up and it needs to be cleaned up because you can see it got out of control Mike. Tomlin has to make sure that the he has everybody now more disciplined if guys are missing practice or showing late for meetings and all that. If not, he's not going to get a contractor. Act extension. So I think the situation has now been cleaned up, but unfortunately for the Steelers are not as talented as a team, I think and I've been saying this a little bit managing egos is a real thing in the NFL especially with the generation. We're in now everybody has a social media everybody's kind of their own operating business. Everybody wants. The flex managing egos is a real thing. The Steelers have not been great with it. They have not been great with it. Do you think if Yuju becomes this massive superstar in a couple of years. They're going to have the same problem or do you think it was strictly a case-by-case basis in a couple unfortunate situations now, I'd basically a case-by-case basis and I think in the case of dude you he's pretty humble and I think he's not going to go in that direction Antonio has always been a little bit different as far as how he handled things because you can see that the there's a little bit of Diva and him and I think and, you know from being in a locker and a winning team for such a long period of time I'm the longer. You're there. Sometimes, you know the players that have been there eight nine years. They lose the voice of the coach because they've heard every speech, you know, they they have a personality differences that develops but I think at this stage this this is now clean the locker room up and made things get not as talented, but I think they should be okay going from here the first weekend of the NCAA tournament is the greatest better. 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It's time for the John Clayton is the chef ters that The paper or not the Kuiper's the mortensen's everybody like this is the time of year. How did those conflicted stories get reported? They for instance Amendola was going back to the Patriots and now he's with the Lions. How does that stuff happen? Is it all just a work in progress? All these negotiations could kind of change at any given moment. Is that the case? Oh, yeah that that happens. But at the key is how you phrase things because if you phrase it wrong, then it's going to be wrong because there was a deal with the bills in the Steelers and the deal was basically one where they're going to swap picks in the first round Steelers and move from 20 to nine a couple other draft choices are going to be thrown in but like anything else there's some complications for so for example for that deal to get completed and this is why the phrasing of it is, so it's better to say your they're close to a deal as a as opposed to saying there's a deal. So what ended up happening is that the they gave the bills permission to talk to Drew Rosenhaus the agent for Antonio Brown to see if he's interested in coming and if he was going to be a contract problem because you know Aunt He has been saying that he wants more money and was going to demand trying to get it and so when all of a sudden Antonio's starts tweeting out how much he didn't want to go to Buffalo. He puts on Instagram and Facebook and all these different pictures of what he thought about Buffalo is going to be like because he put a bowling alley and a pizza joint and all that stuff What's it gonna be like living there? And so that killed the deal and he almost killed the deal with the Raiders in the sense that they were having trouble negotiating. The final price because after the bills deal fell down the Steelers had nothing there was nothing on it on the table. And so, you know, they got back together with the Raiders the Raiders offered to three and the five and then they were negotiating on a new deal and that almost fell apart but like anything else, you know close is close, but you can't say it's done until it's done because there's negotiations whether the player wants more money or doesn't want more money and how much money is that going to be? Mike Mayock with a hell of a move fresh out of TV Land to get a three and a five and thirty million dollars. That's not being talked about enough that it's not only just a 3 and a 5 it's also 30 million dollars that had to come in the place to get Antonio Brown. This Market seems to be a heavy safety Market Eric Weddle ends up at the LA Rams. What are some other moves with some safety that you project or see happening? Well, I mean this one does the safety Marcus insane because if you go back to last year and look, At like the top 20 21 safe paid safeties of 10 or 11 of them are on the market right now, which is remarkable. I mean, they pretty well of wiped out more than 15 starters either being cut on one year deals. And so I think that's going to end up doing is bringing the value of some of the safeties down because the market should go up to 13 million, but now I don't think there will be and I think you can see with particularly the movement Eric what we'll just getting a little over 5 million. That was the first move that the safety is getting low. We would last year safety Market was ridiculous. Nobody got hardly anything Kenny Vaccaro former first-round pick you had to just scramble to get a very low deal but I think you're going to see Earl Thomas goes to the San Francisco 49ers. I think that you'll see maybe Landon Collins go to the Detroit Lions. That's a possibility Collins. Of course. I've been stunted enfranchise them because they could have had them for eleven point four million and he'll probably get about 11 million dollars to go to Detroit then I can see that the maybe the the Giants going to try to make a move on Tyrone Matthews. Although I know Houston's going to try like crazy to get him resign and they still going to be able to do it. But this this Market is going to be absolutely insane for safety's but I think there's only going to be maybe to they'll get over 10 million. The rest of the group is going to get maybe between 7 and 9 million. What are you do on a day-to-day basis right now? Is this prime time for the professor this free? LMC rug. Oh, yeah, no question because you know I try to keep track of every deal and You know, I have a database that he eventually I'll get every contract and I'll put it into my database and the database is there to give me the salary cap numbers of every team and so I'm constantly calling checking trying to get everything there. But you know, I guess I do a to our radio show here in Seattle and that's going to be busy with the free agency. That's going to be 10 to 12 West Coast time. And then of course now I started writing a column for the Washington Post. I'll be possible popping. Moms in for them but it's a fun period because I just love the free agency part of it. I love the mousse. You can get quick evaluations of them and that's what's so much fun. Because again, it's constant news action in the time that you know, we're talking there's probably going to be three or four deals that get done like for example, right when we started. Well leak Jackson just ended up getting a deal to go to the Philadelphia Eagles for three years of ten million dollars, but now I love this because again, it's just constant action and then it's will keep Pretty much until July you reference there Drew Rosenhaus working to deal with the Buffalo Bills and not paying off. So he had to do it with the Raiders. Do you check who free agents have as an agent? And is that make you lean one way or another on whether or not the person is going to get a good deal or a good outcome? Yeah. It's always been to do that because against some of the best in the business, you know, we're going to come out with good deals like in the case of Drew with Buffalo. I mean Antonio did not want to go to Buffalo. And so that was a simple thing as saying hey, he doesn't want to go to the Buffalo Bills and that's why the bills were smart enough to be able to get permission from the Steelers to be able to make that phone call because if they made that trade and then found out that the Antonio Brown was going to hold out and not be there. It would have been good. But then, you know Drew was able to scramble at the last minute and get the you know, pretty good money out of the Oakland Raiders and satisfy his client. And again, that's like that's a tough thing to do because at some point you're going to run out of teams and really it was Last-minute thing because once the bills deal fell apart. I mean the Steelers had nothing and it was almost as if Antonio is going to have to go back to Pittsburgh which nobody wanted Rosenhaus pulling the strings in the NFL on a regular basis. What a human being. Okay. Let's pivot real quick. DK Metcalf runs in insane 40 time looks like a monster. He's three cone drill though slower than Tom Brady's our team's very high on DK Metcalf. Or is there some question mark on his Mobility now that I think you have to have question marks on his mobility and have to see particularly when they interview him and if he's going to be able to make the work ethic to be able to do a clearly clearly. He's a freak I mean events press has more than offensive lineman. He had 27 on the bench press he's 63 228 pounds around a 4-3-3 40 which is incredible. But I think you can see that pretty much all he can be at this stage is a deep threat or go up and get him type A guy. He's not going to do well on the short routes because of his footwork until he gets that better but still he's considered to be the best wide receiver in this trap and it's not a great draft of wide receivers this year. I think what it is did is help his stock a little bit, but he's probably going to end up going like about 19 or 20 in the first round. I think Tennessee might take them at 19. Maybe he helped us talk a little bit with the workouts. But again the cone drill and all that that had to be scary. And again you look at all those production in college. Think you only had 69 catches. So he is the best receiver in this draft of the highest-rated receiver. But where he goes it's not going to be as high as he probably hopes. Kyler Murray's locked into the one is that just everybody in the biz knows that he's going to Arizona. No, is there still some options for them? Like for example, their decision has to be do you want Kyler Murray and then get rid of Josh Rosen or do you want to take Nick Boza and then what you do with Marie is trade him down to Oakland at four. And then you have a couple options there. I'm sure you get draft choice compensation. Probably a number one and maybe a little bit more or they could take the position that maybe they would take Derek Carr that could be a possibility too because then Kyler Murray would be going to the Oakland Raiders. But can you imagine the problem that's going to be for Antonio Brown because here's the Antonio Brown that you know, he he wasn't happy the juice. Mr. Schuster was able to get more catches than him and so he comes back and now we'll have to work with a rookie quarterback. Back and that means he may not have a hundred Catch season. That's why Larry Fitzgerald was wise and kind of a making the statements like Antonio you kind of kind of watch what you are doing here because because how many times did Larry Fitzgerald get stuck with the rookie quarterback or a bad quarterback? And here's a Hall of Fame receiver who ends up getting you know less than less than a hundred catches and sometimes less than a hundred thousand yards. So yeah, it's like it works. Well if there are cars going to be there for Antonio, but if Kyler Murray's going to be here at least until Kyler gets under figures out how we can play in this league. It could be bad numbers for Antonio. Wait. So what's the conversation about Derick? Are they going to ship him out of Oakland and draft Kyler is I don't think I must not have seen anything like this. There's a chance right now that the Raiders are going to move their car draft Kyler Marie. When kind of Marie's the starter in Oakland going into Vegas. I did not know that. Yeah, so that's one of the rumors that was out last week that Derek Carr is as least being shocked or they're listening to offers on Derek Carr. But the problem is that the is a limited market for trades for quarterbacks, you know, Miami, they could be interested because their makeup Ryan Tannehill, but the problem is that they want to lose games this year so they can get one of the top picks and next year's draft. So that's that's a problem and you know Washington's already made their move Denver's already made their move. And so where's the market for Derek Carr in a trade now, maybe Arizona would be interested in doing it, but that's but that's why I think Arizona is still in that. Age where you know they have those two options and are two viable options. But if not then no just take Kyler Maria. Number one man. There was the tweet that there was love at first sight between Derek Carr and Antonio Brown as well. I wonder if Antonio I wonder if mr. Big check. Mr. Big chest has any idea that that could potentially happen or if he's like me and doesn't even know that that didn't say, I think he died. He probably has a thought through that yet. But at least he can now take that 19 million dollars that he has and Still be happy with that, but then he's not going to be happy if he's not going to get his numbers and those California taxes are going to play quite a game on that Seattle. Where was it? Was it Oakland or who is the baseball team that was going to pay I think was Oakland or Seattle was going to pay calamari a bunch of money than that falls through how do those conversations happened is like the MLB fly to Colin Murray and say hey we've been paying you or we paid you nine million or 4 million, whatever it was and the calamari goes. You know what? I think I'm out on Did they make a play at him to keep him? Is there a chance pal the Murray goes to the MLB even after the draft board that thing all said and done. I think it's all said and done it. He's not going to do that. But what happened is when he was in that deciding stage in January before while after he put his name in for the combine and applied for the NFL draft that because he got four point four million dollars in a signing bonus and it's already in his pocket. So what the they had a Oakland A's representative and they had somebody from I think the from base. Baseball there to try to see if they can change some of the rules and get him more money and they tried and tried and tried and I'm sure that the as time goes they'll still continue to try but if Murray's going to end up being the first pick in the draft, then he's going to get significantly more money than what the A's would be able to pay. So I think it's going to miss one where they had the conversation. They'll probably still have the conversation but I think now that if he's going to be the number one pick, he's going to go in the NFL. What's the NFL look like next year John are You Are? You excited with this whole there's a whole new era right now with the AFL launching having a rough opening weeks not being able to make payroll. Do you think there's any NFL usage of the AFL being a training ground or a scouting field? It looks like an extended Senior Bowl really do you think there's anybody from the AFL that's going to end up in the NFL if they have a big season. Oh, yeah, there's no question. I think there's at least two or three quarterbacks are going to get jobs and I think it's a great situation because you know, what the a aaf needs to do is I need to work out a dual deal with the Union the nflpa and the NFL so you can get either eight to ten players on Futures contracts or guys that are currently on rosters and get them in the league and you look and you see there's the NFL players that are there, you know, Terrance Garvin who had been actually in Pittsburgh started in Pittsburgh and went to Washington and Seattle and other guys, you can see Trent Trent Richardson, I think getting back in the NFL thanks to the aaf because he's made some good run. No, I think it's a good league in that sense. I think it can only get better. I think that the you know, the new owner has come in and he's going to get a better business sense of things and fix things up. So you hope it survives and it needs to survive. I mean, you know how it was back in the days when there was the world league and you guys could go over there and within a year at that time, you can take a quarterback and get them into the leg and maybe even get them to start now. That's where I think this is so needed because cuz you have so much less practice time now for all the teams in the NFL and all the players in the NFL. I mean, you need a leg right now to develop a lot of the things that aren't developed during the season in the offseason. Hey men who wins the Super Bowl next year John. Well, I think probably the New England Patriots because it's it's all set up for him. I mean think about in the last four years. They've lost three times on the road to Miami now Miami's in the rebuilding mode. And so now that means they'll go six and knowing that Vision because I won the game down in Miami, it's an easy division to win. That means all they have to do pretty much as goes 6 and 4 like they did last year against the rest of the league that gets them to 12 when it gets them home field advantage and then with home field advantage then they get a chance to because nobody seems to be able to go into New England and when did nobody did last year? So I think it all sets it up for them to go back to the Super Bowl. We'll see who they play but the cycle just continues that Foxborough is an electric place to play it. It's tough to get a win there and I'll tell you what, it's tough to find a smarter man when it comes to the NFL then at John Clayton NFL host from 10 to noon on 710 ESPN in Seattle and also school with the professor podcast available on all platforms Pro Football Hall of Fame member John Clayton. I am so thankful you chose to join me man. Thank you so much. You're the best. Hey, Matt. Thank you. Hey that that mullet thing the rat tail thing. Yeah, was that ever a real thing or was that all just folklore? Oh, no, it's tucked in. I just talked to that was that was I was just all part of the commercial that commercials one of the best things that has ever graced my eyes and yeah, you did a great acting job there. I didn't know super smart NFL analytics guy could get the acting bug but you did great in there. Well, thank you. Do you still live in that bedroom there? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's Chinese food. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen genius John Clayton big shoutout to John Clayton. Super Insider football. Talk right there. Yeah, he's a beast. Absolutely. I woke up four minutes before the interview with a long night took NyQuil last night night night, cuz that interview was scheduled very thankful for Gorman getting old John Clayton the professor he was incredible on there, but I didn't set an alarm and I didn't think I was going to sleep in at late. Time changing real he's got me going still I mean, we're still a couple of days out with you. It'll get you I woke up four minutes before that thing had to call Kazi and I'll tell you what, I'm thankful for John Clayton hee hee drop some knowledge bombs on me and they had me feeling good going into the day. Shout out to the professor at John Clayton NFL follow him follow at Nick Morado at Boston Connor Adam and Foxy at Ty Schmidt with one t there at the end because he's literally up till probably 4 a.m. Right now editing this and thank you all so much for listening. You're the absolute. Luke greatest humans on Earth send us a tweet just saying hello because we foxy and I got to travel to Orlando. Yep. If you make Fox here, I feel very good inside while we're traveling to Orlando and while Nick and busting Connor travel back to Indianapolis tomorrow, I'd love to send out some free merch. Yeah old Santa Pat here we go right here in March. It's nice to you. Oh Santa. Yeah little Santa battle Sarah just sent us some positive message and positive vibes were enjoying the hell out of life. We hope you are as well. So thankful you chose to listen. Um - met back in Indianapolis probably with a big old fat lip. Earn his lip. Just staring down a Green Bay Packers website asking why the fuck did not do it. Anyway, the lions are just making plays everywhere daggumit boys tie shred hit the music man. And by the way back or still got Aaron Rodgers, I don't need to do anything else tie get off the ledge die. Okay. Some spittin he's so mad right now. He's pissed just end the show's what'd he say? All I'm trying to do is end the fucking show so I can upload and go to bed is what he's in like 4 a.m. Right now. He's probably doing a couple Impressions yum. Try to keep himself alive. Probably just slammed about 1/16 Red Bull of the day. Mmm. That's probably feeling good. Maybe that'll work out. It may be times when I got to work tonight. Yeah, I don't think so. He said he's been doing the fitness thing. Yeah. Yeah, he says that he's been saying wondering if we're yeah. Well it was he the last time he told me he was literally sitting in front of an entire pepperoni pizza like an entire pepperoni. That's it for himself. I asked him if he wanted my potatoes because normally he takes my potatoes after I broke my lunch my brunch and he goes not today and I go why is a Zach I'm trying to take care of myself in less than six seconds later. He sat down and opened an entire personal pepperoni pizza in house the entire thing shut the throw it away and I just looked at him. He like waved at me and just walked away like what he just said didn't even happen. I'm like bro - mm. It's the best though the best. Yeah. He's the best still a lot of good players out there for the Packers to yeah. Yeah over that over time. Chris Ballard has spent no money either, press Broward. One of the best Jeep recent Jim's obviously balichek. Also not making huge Place. Yeah. Let's just assume he's really good at football. We also got 15 picks. So I think we'll be. All right. You guys also have a lot of Very good players been you know going to share another. I don't know yet. So we don't know maybe playing to be honest people on come play for adventure, isn't it won't pay them money when I don't know if that's how I should move out of the clutches of all and you are I'll trade you that know me that's just like you are owner. I'm getting massages and days championships ready when we gonna go - mint hit the music All right. What song we play? Highway to Hell Yeah, that could be a road hog stable could be a road hog staple. Yeah, I don't think we ever got the Knicks window cracking. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. That's what happened to Next Car. By the way is his windshield that crack because yeah because the rain because of Cleveland he thinks yeah, the range is the range of the rain threat you dog Cleveland Cleveland dog, it's mostly because of his Utility, I you don't talk the dog pound but I'm talking about the dog downward dog your motherfucking asshole right back. Maybe that's what we do. I took the money out there Casino. I took the money out of the good old Pittsburgh rivers casino. I'm good, baby. Yeah, but the question is I'm good. You have a crack in your windshield and I want to know yeah, I gotta fight your wallet full cash to you. Let the dogs out you let the dogs out who who who you let the dogs out. I'll take the dogs out back behind the shed and put him down for good Ty Schmidt. After that negativity right there, huh? Fucking Old Yeller bullshit. Whoo! Whoo. Whoo. Whoo, they don't look like Old Yeller by their Bulldogs. They got a big old. No. I really can't breathe now. They're loyal though. They're probably going to be the fans of the AFC North Champions. They might be in a rebuilding face. We don't know. But Nick was negative got a chip in his windshield and all anybody wants to know is Ty Schmidt hit the music Let the Dogs Out. Well, if I am at the party is on I gotta get my grub on my mind. I'm going to you soon.

On today's show, Pat and a few of the guys record live from a hotel room in Pittsburgh right after coming back from WWE Monday Night Raw. They recap their roadtrip from Indiana to Cleveland to Pittsburgh and everything that they did along the way including WWE Fastlane, some of their dining experiences, and beating the inclement weather that was on their backs. Also included in the show is Pat's interview with Rich Eisen on the NFL Network Free Agency Frenzy as he discussed Antonio Brown going to Oakland, who some of the best free agent punters are, and Rich gives him another push to keep the #McAfeeForMNF train rolling (28:54-36:08). Later, an absolute legend in the game, an NFL Hall of Famer, one of the most recognizable faces in NFL media, The Professor, John Clayton, joins the show. They discuss everything free agency related and how AB almost wound up in Buffalo, he gives a couple of ideas where he thinks certain players might land as teams are handing out insane amounts of cash, he dives into what his work weeks are like during these types of hot beds in the NFL calendar, gives his Super Bowl pick for next year, and chats about whether or not the pony tail is real (41:48-1:03:10.) It's a fun one. Come and laugh with us, cheers.

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Literally. I'm crying because I was like holding myself up like for like seconds until I fell and there's no way I was actually going to pull myself up off the ground, but I'm just trying really hard to channel my inner path to gold. And yeah. So anyways, she'll be hosting the episode today. You guys are you're welcome. It was real you go. Just kidding anyway, so she does work full-time with individuals with autism. Autism and she has an amazing Instagram account. Like I just said the path to Gold she shares how Behavior Analysis as part of the solution for our current Health crisis in America. Ha. Thank the Lord she loves weights macros and data does she's a BCP a this is awesome. Her mission is to help people gain Optimal Health and live their best life using applied Behavior Analysis as a foundation for all change. Boom. See where we had her on she is our type of people so Without further Ado. Let's introduce Shantae gold. What's up chick? Hello. Ladies. I'm so happy we were able to finally do this and I think we've been talking about it for like like months now. I know we spoke about it before but then I went to the gym for the first time three days ago, like since forever since like doctors were likely at you're never going to run again with your lupus and stuff like on the machine. I'm like, yeah. Well a few doctors Anyways while I was on there I'm like dying and I'm like, okay, I'm going to message her and I did I was like I worked out again. We got a contact her to get her back on the show follow her every day. That's like, do you know what she sounds like I'm like, I'm literally stalk her Instagram story. She sounds amazing, but I think that what you do is really really cool because you take what we do, you know ABA and apply to everyday life. You have taken your bcba and you have used it in an amazing. A way with people with Autism and you're also kind of branching out into this Fitness Nutrition world. I am so just in love with everything that you do. I can't wait till you launched that whatever he is. Yeah your hashtag goals, but when you launch your services in January 2020, I'm hoping you're going to give them to us for free for having you tell us all about yourself. Okay. So other than I am a bcba which you guys already talked about I before I even discovered this field, I was a makeup artist for eight years and that was my passion at the time. This was during undergrad. I went to undergrad for sociology but literally had no intentions of pursuing sociology my because I wanted to be a makeup artist so I didn't really I do well and undergrad or even paid attention to what I was learning my or because we have my priorities just weren't there. I want it. Like I said, I wanted to be a makeup artist and at the same time I was also deeply invested in the college party lifestyle and you know, I don't think that's you know abnormal. It's pretty normal for a college. You know, you're out on your own for your person for the first time. When you're exposed to a lot of the you know, drugs and alcohol and I just where did you go to school? I'll just add interest San Francisco State. Okay, cool. Just yeah, so living in San Francisco and just over time. I developed a lot of really bad habits. I fell into I wouldn't say drug addiction. I was never addicted to drugs or alcohol I was Addicted to the lifestyle. There's a lot of things that go into that type of Lifestyle. You're getting ready the makeup the hair your whole outfit your pre-gaming with your friends. Pre-gaming. Oh my God damn, right you're describing my college life. Yeah exactly. I'm just grabbing. A lot of people's college life, but that I just kind of took it way too far for a really long time in 2010. I got a DUI and literally like the week. After I was out partying again, so it was just I just didn't manage your behavior essential not at all and I was still drinking and driving all the time. It was just I just I was addicted to like I said addicted to the lifestyle and when you're involved in that kind of Lifestyle for so long. It takes a toll on your body takes a toll on your happiness. It takes a toll on you know, it just it just catches up to you. And I hit a wall where I felt. Like I was just so unhealthy. I was unhappy my dating life sucked my grades suffered and I just really needed a change and fitness was the first thing I turned to and it was the first thing I turned to it wasn't a lifestyle that I was foreign to I grew up playing sports. My parents are very healthy individuals. They work out consistently as well. So it was definitely Lifestyle that I turn to because it was something that I was familiar with in your repertoire. Yeah, it was already in my repertoire. Sorry. I'm just like an ABA asshole trying to add the way all the time and I won't do a robotic voice this time later. I'll save my point. Keep going. I'm liking this. Okay, so I hired my first Personal trainer and that was great. She put me through some you know, basic weight lifting workouts a strict diet and I lost weight pretty quickly. But then I you know, my addictive personality starts coming out so I am like, okay, how can I how can I take this to the next level? And so Instagram was starting to get popular at that time? So I found this bodybuilding coach with lot of followers and he was a professional bodybuilding coach that had a Of that Coast a lot of professional bodybuilders and you know to get their Pro cards. I'm like, okay this guy you must be legit. He has all these Chris not credentials but experience working with these Elite bodybuilders credentials on Instagram are followers, essentially, right? Right, right. Yeah. Yeah pretty much and yeah, I that was like the best and worst mistake of my life. Because that man he put me on a very low calories and intense amount like it so much weight lifting and cardio for an extended period of time that by the time that I was ready for my competition, I was fatigued I was miserable. I was so deprived of so many of the nutrients that my body was craving that after the show after everything was over I reek. Rebounded so quickly and I gained over 30 pounds within like two months. Was this the metabolic damage that you would ya before? Okay. Yeah, and I yeah, I describe I say metabolic metabolic damage. I don't know. I was never like diagnosed with metabolic damage but researching on what was happening in my body, which is very common in the bodybuilding World. It sounds very similar to metabolic. Of damage, so I just call it that but I mean I don't I would Holloway you call a girl you gained 30 pounds. No one wants that. Yeah. Well, it's not just gaining 30 pounds. I gained it literally like two months after this competition. So it was happening so fast and I was still I didn't know what was happening in my body. And so I was still doing crazy amounts of cardio eating clean and I wasn't losing weight. I was like what the fuck is going on and so on. Like just months of like crying and like being so disappointed in myself not understanding what was happening. I just started to do a lot of research online and I started reading a lot of stories about how this is very common in the competitor world of bodybuilding and I realized that the diet prescription that that code gave me was a very generic cookie cutter plan. Lan it wasn't specific to my needs or who I am or what my goals were it was just to get me as lean as pot lean as possible as fast as possible to step on stage in a very unhealthy way. So I was angry for really long time at that person for doing that to me. But at the same time I also felt guilty because I didn't do my own research before before investing and something like that. I think about yeah, I didn't have any I didn't oh, this is before I knew anything about ABA. So who's just like an excuse? Yeah, right. Yeah. I kind of an excuse my course. I do all kinds of research before I do anything, right? No, I know right? I mean we can talk about that later. But yeah, so I watched a ton of YouTube videos on metabolic damage and how to rehabilitate that Later found another body building coach to help me rehabilitate my metabolism which took about over a year. It actually took a couple of years, but I was working with him for a good solid year. And then from there I just kind of got burnt out with bodybuilding bodybuilding is so hyper-focused on Aesthetics and the way you look that it's just mentally exhausting. So it seems like something I like I are like think about the bodybuilding versus you know, just regular working out and how much more discipline and kind of knowledge in safety and things that you need to have when you're doing it. It's so much more than just like going to the gym, you know, and you're not like going to the gym to like let loose, you know, we're like get your bad day out you're like going in there to like be even wrapped him in a shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, how can I get my glutes to look more round like Absolutely. Great thinking now. I like how can I get my abs to pop out more? Like, how can I just lose some fucking weight? That's clearly that's not working. So maybe I need to go to body building. So when did you get your bcba? So I got my bcba last August so it'll be well I sat for the exam last August and then I got it in September. Yeah, so I so by the time I got into this field. I already developed a lot of like habits around health and fitness and didn't necessarily apply intended ABA strategies, but now that I am, you know educated and trained and behavior analysis whenever I do want to you know, change a behavior increase the you know, like increase in new habit. I do apply some ABA techniques to help support that so yeah, so tell us about well, what's that going to do? Ba that's what I want to know. Oh what got you into a be a good girl. Okay, so thanks, so I was still it was still a makeup artist during like this whole like transformation. I was still figuring things out and just to finish my story real quick when I was rehabilitating my metabolism. I was I developed some a little will not some but I developed body dysmorphia and obsessive behaviors around way myself. If measuring my food measuring my waist and so I could do caution. Anybody who is interested in pursuing something like body building or a physique type sport because you really need to be in like a healthy mental space enough to where you notice like your those types of behaviors when you start becoming obsessed with those kinds of things that's not good. And so I had to step away from bodybuilding to allow. Myself to like really think and like take care of like my mental and emotional capacity and shift my focus away from Aesthetics to sports performance. And that's where I found CrossFit in powerlifting and those really helped me focus on something else other than how I look now huge. Yeah, that's really big. So Prince hungry AF episode number one now. I'm just getting yeah, but it's very common. A lot of people who are like anything that is, you know, one of the side effects is the way you look you're like, oh I want to keep this going I'm getting compliments. I really reinforcing. Yep. Right right and it's kind of like a catch-22 because you know, you're you're you know, eating less calories. You're doing all this work. You're looking great. But also it's like if you had there are a lot of limitations that come with that and social limitations, right? It's a limitations like not being able to Everything that you want all the time like yeah, there's a lot of things that come with that. So it's definitely something that you have to keep in mind. If you want to pursue, you know, a more challenging fitness regimen and so yeah during this time so so during like all these Fitness Transformations, I felt like okay once I got once I was mentally stable. Table and I felt like I got my health under control. I really felt like if I can do this then I can do anything and it pushed me to pursue my masters and I was never planning on going anything further than a bachelor's and I didn't even want my bachelor's my parents forced me to get that because they didn't trust me enough to that. I was going to pursue makeup artist do that. You have to get your bouncers. And so thank God for that because I kind of you know had the foundation I needed to pursue my masters and I was kind of, you know doing a bunch of research. I had a friend who did a ba and he was telling me about it and I was like, okay, I mean I can try that out and see see if I like it and I tried it out and it was literally like the only science that made sense to me. So I was like, yes, I could do this. So, you know like oh it data it's all this. It's totally evidence based in proven. Yep, that's how I was I'm like, oh it clipped that make sense. Exactly for me. Like I it just clicked. So immediate for me and it and I never really I was never an academic student. Like I never did well with grades or nobody ever showed me how to study. So I really I really struggled with in high school and an undergrad. So this was something that actually made sense to me. It was interesting. I was good at it and And so I feel good when you're yeah, it felt great. Yeah, and so I developed a passion for it and I loved working with the kids and over time when I start to learn more about Behavior Analysis. I was like, oh, oh this this isn't just for autism. This is like for anything. This is cool Behavior baby human behavior. And and then, you know, I was like What if I Did like married the two like what if I you know, I'm already doing a lot of things within health and fitness and what if I just like start applying behavioral Concepts into my everyday life and you know, put the information out there and then that's when my Instagram was born. Okay. So real real life real relatable question who the f is following you around taking all these cool atomizers of you. I mean, I hire them when I lose like 60 pounds. Well, that's something that I decided to to put a little effort in as my content creation. So those are all photographers that I've hired and my fiance every now and then when I force him to take pictures of me, although I think he needs a you know, some behaviors skills training because most of the time it's just me yelling at him for not getting the right angle and I'm just need a model that shit for him girl. I've modeled I've I've punished because Behavior breathe. I'm just I'm just yeah you have okay that makes sense because anyone I know every one that listens because they, you know want to go see who the you know face behind this amazing guest is is that your pictures are I mean gorgeous. I just want to know I was like I look like shit at the gym. So that's good to know that it's not just you taking those photos because I was very angry. No, I don't look like that in the gym. I did my eye I go and I go to the gym at 6:00 a.m. With no makeup on yeah. No, that's definitely like a whole photo shoot that I've scheduled and I prepared for and yeah, that's something that I decided to invest in because content matters and people like pictures and it's Instagram. So when you pair a good picture with some valuable information people are more likely to read it and click and engage so You're smart check. I'm telling you it worked. We found a cute girl. Yeah, I was like this is I love her. I feel a little silly putting so many pictures of myself up but my one of my girlfriends who has who's a power lifter and has a shit ton of followers. She's like Get over yourself. That's what people want to see just post the picture. Absolutely. No, I agree with that like yeah. Keep posting. That's your content. That's your brand. Yeah, so a little bit I want to To know so you use antecedent interventions to stick to your routine. Can you give us some advice on what you do like with her girl out over? Yeah, help us cook it out. Okay, like I literally if you hear me being very quiet on today's episode. I am literally dead. So like the can't believe that Jim says took it out of you this much. No way. Have you seen I'm really quiet actually. Yeah, I I actually am. Dead right now. So all right. So go off your antecedent intervention strategies on how you stick to your routine. Okay. So Sunday meal prep is literally like the foundation to my dietary adherence. I don't have time throughout the week to constantly be making meals. So it's really important to me that I spend like wanted to Is on Sunday making bulks of protein one carbohydrate one or two like sources of carbs and vegetables and and so I try to make all of the all that last at least until Friday and so every night but because my refrigerator so small, I can't pre-plant like I can't separate the meals into containers and store them in my fridge. Okay, so I have to do that every single night if I had a bigger kitchen and a bigger refrigerator. I absolutely would but I just don't so every night. What I do is I input my meals in the food journal app, so I count my macros. I count my protein fat and carbs everything LR macros. Okay, what does like macroeconomic the only reason I know macros is because Kate even dropping his words like it's hot like our macro. So the And I know macros and I still don't really get it and I definitely am not following it because I have I ate my first piece of food at like 3:30 today. I don't have like an appetite. I don't know what's going on. Anyways, I look at all her meals sheets like five meals a day. I'm like what? Yeah, six like, I am the opposite you like one meal a day like clearly. I'm in metabolic damage over here. Yeah, so like macros, so I used to have an app where it was only when I did keto and it was track of your fats carbs and protein right? Is that your Macros? Yeah. It was a MyFitnessPal most people as well. Yeah, and I was kind of like less than like five percent carbs, right? Yeah, but I see you having all these amazing bagels and shit and I'm like, I don't get it. This is crazy. Yeah, we can talk about that in a little bit. I know so yeah macros are your protein fat and carbs and that's where you get the energy content of your diet, and then there's Micronutrients which are vitamins and minerals and those are pretty those are typically found in like vegetables and fruits and various grains note. Oh, yeah, baby. This is my personal training section right here. You know it always a learner. That's what I am like vitamins talk slower. He always is taking notes every episode so funny so funny, I have a predetermined amount of protein fats and carbs that I hit every single day. And so I preached so macros. The reason why I love macro based dieting is because it's your customized plan you it's not a plan that is That is like generalized for everyone exactly. It's not generalize or it's not telling you like what foods to eat but here are your Macros that you have and you can pick whatever Foods you want that fits those macronutrient goals. Yeah. Sure in 2020 when you start doing what you're doing. Are you able to customize those goals in those macros for people is that part of your thing? That is a really good question and unfortunately, no I made this for me. Me, where do I sign? So a bodybuilding coach a registered dietitian and nutritionist. Those are people that come out across great coach. I mean honestly anybody can really it's just it's it doesn't it's not hard to figure out what your Macros are. You can research this stuff on YouTube and find an equation to help you get to your personalized macros and then we can Of like test from there and this is what I always encourage people to do like when you research this stuff and let's just say you figure out the equation to your own customized macronutrients. Try those numbers out for a couple weeks and see how your body responds take data. That's your data like start weighing yourself every single day based on the macros that you're eating and see if it works if you're depending on what your goal is. Let's just say You just want to maintain your goal then if your weight maintains through those macronutrient goals and yeah that works for you. And if you want to lose weight, then you can start cutting a little bit of carbs and maybe a little bit of fat from there to lose a little bit of weight. If you want to gain weight. If you want to gain muscle, maybe you then that means you have to be in a calorie Surplus. So you start increasing your macronutrients. So but figuring out your maintenance calories as probably the first step to to figure Out what your next goal is from there. And what are you doing in 2020 that you guys keep referring to? What's happening in 2020. Well, I'm gonna launch my website. It's going to launch my website and my services so it's pretty much it's a calm. I stopped myself a lifestyle and habit forming coach because I want to help people build sustainable habits to help to help aid their healthy lifestyle choices. So so for example, like there's so many steps that that need to take place before you even get to a place where you can count macros like macros is like step number 10, but there are so many are jumping girl. I know I'm actually reading her emails. So Basically for her like antecedent strategies, she you know, she basically like gets all her food ready on Sunday. She plays this wooden containers. She fills up water for the next day. She reviews what she how much water you drink a day. So I drank V about 50 ounces of water a day. How many get is that a gallon? No, definitely not. I can't drink a gallon. That's way too much girl. I'm not putting anything past you after watching these videos. She sets her alarm by 4 5 a.m. She's off all phone Electronics by 9:30 in bed by 10:00. Now one thing that I thought was really cool was that you have like your own reinforcement schedule and yeah, I'm looking at your beautiful those rang. I wish that I have had to nose rings in my lifetime and they get so infected. I think my body just reject them and everyone I see with a nose ring. I'm very jealous of but what do you do for your reinforcement schedule for that? So I programmed my reinforcements for myself when I was trying to establish a new morning routine. And this what I did was I said Okay. I want to do all these things. So I need to wake up at 5 a.m. I need I want to read for 30 minutes. I want to meditate for 10 minutes and then I need to take my dog out all before going to the gym at 7 a.m. And I set my goal so to do that at least three to four times a Week for a whole month and my reward was getting a nose ring. I've been wanting. I wanted a nose ring for the longest time. This is my second piercing, but I wanted to read Pearson. So I said, okay. Well if I do this for the next month, then I'm going to reward myself by getting a nose ring. I'm in front of you because you know, we talked about bootleg reinforced reinforcers and like I am the queen of like the bootleg bleep like I'll be like we got okay if you Do this and you get this task done like everything on your to-do list, then you can order these new highlighters, right? But then like three seconds laters. I've been like, you know what we got. You've been killing it you working so hard lately just get them for your dad's house and cross it off on my way. You might think on that list, but like you can't even cross off that Les because you don't have those new highlighters. You really need up. So like good for you like keeping the demand on yourself. That's it. Yeah. I mean, I don't not going to say it works for everybody because honestly, Like who knows like if I made my goal for two months and I didn't do it. I probably would have still got the nose ring. But I mean for you and your very disciplined it worked and I really wanted to you know. Increase my reading and meditation Behavior. So that's just something that I helped go on a, you know, motivate me a little bit more, but when you're when you're Transforming your life and getting into all these, you know new habits and exercising more and you know, you know consistently, you know, adhering to your nutrition goals. Like there's so many natural reinforcement that natural reinforcers that come with that use your your friends and your family start to notice you start getting a lot more attention and you start getting more confident and you start building more self-esteem a lot of behaviors or tasks that were harder in the beginning start to become easier. I mean those are big deals and then getting wearing a sexy crop top with out like a couple rolls hanging over the top right that's a huge reinforcement what sure if that's reinforcement is a real thing like even with like so guys. I know it's been three days and I'm acting like I am like on past the goals level as a result of the three days. So I feel but like literally even like getting on the machine. Sheen like in the beginning like I'm like damn it, you know, but like, you know, like when you get into like a runner's high like when you reach that point, it's true like it all is so like there's Behavior momentum like more immediately like in a short amount of time, right? So like during that like, you know, 30 minute run whatever it is, like the beginning is like terrible, but then you're like into it. But also I think like these endorphins and like makes you feel when I get back from work out. I'm like, I don't regret that I've never once said I regret that work out, right exactly. But I think the reason why I did I did I need to tell you why because I was I was like, oh, yeah, this is day number three motherfucker and I'm like, yeah just tells coming on or no Shantae. I'm so sorry. She's okay. And then like I have a housekeeper comes every two weeks, which is like I love it so much and then she texts me while I'm there and she's He's like there's no paper towel, and I'm like, oh no under the sink. So she looks and like it's not there. So I'm like, you know what? I am staying here. I'm at the gym. I don't care. Like I will just not get it clean. So then like I regretted it when I got back because I like things weren't clean coming. So I didn't write it this one time, but I feel what you're saying. Yeah, and I think I think you know if we're gonna Dissect this Behavior analytic analytically and why it's so hard for people to start. It's a lot of work, you know, that's just the reality of the situation. It's a lot of work to change your habits. And a lot of these habits have been established through long history of of other reinforcers, like competing reinforcers and your history of you know, your family history and how you were raised. raised and you know, so it's not easy to change behavior, and I think that And I think that you know just getting started is just it's just the most difficult part and it o is what I was trying to sorry, I lost side truck and the really welcomed her life enforcers are delayed. So those endorphins and those results the losing weight feeling good in your clothes. Those are delayed reinforcers. So so if we can't access that immediately, I mean people are just so much. More likely to not follow a plan because that's just something that takes time. It takes patience, which a lot of people don't have other clients even like when you're working with kids, you know, and the parents are like nothing's changed, you know, and it really like you're like it's day two. Yeah, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. And if you're putting you know, your habit behavior is on extinction that you have been doing for, you know x amount of time. I'm say your whole life you're gonna it's gonna be hard to change them and and you know all the things that come along with it, whether you're detoxing off of you know, stopping drinking or stopping sugar all those things you're gonna go through a period of really hard times and it's easy to just go back to the same habit. It's not easy to change it. Right exactly. Like if you do something for 21 days, it's a habit as a habit forming coach. What do you think about that? I don't think that's true. It takes a More time than that to form a habit 21 days doesn't mean I'm gonna like do it forever. Yeah, exactly like that morning routine. I mean that definitely isn't part of my habits now, I don't Reaper 30 minutes in the morning and meditate that was just something that I did temporarily because I wanted to do at that time, but but yeah, I mean talking about behavior analyst and you know applying We have to we have to go about like our health and fitness the same way we would go about doing interventions for our clients. Right? What is like the fundamental principle before we when we start applying an intervention you start with the least restrictive procedure, right and use exactly really small specific goals. So, why are a lot of behavior analyst a lot of women going into like these diet like like extreme diet and Exercise regimens to lose weight fast the faster you lose weight. The more likely you are going to gain it back. It's not like a one fix Wonder like it's not a weird under attend a military diet and or you know, don't eat carbs for 10 days and or juice cleanse and this a 3 day juice cleanse and then it's like, oh you lost 10 pounds and then you eat a piece of bread and you gain it all back exactly. Don't get me started on the juice cleanses. But yeah. Yes, exactly. And it's just it and the same with like the what's going on. Do you operationally define your goals? What sorry I know you're about to say something, but I'm just wondering like because you're saying it's really important to be very specific about your steps. Would you instead of being like I'm gonna exercise would you operationally defined What specifically you're going to do? foursome That's from that's a good question. No, I don't sit down and like right out exactly like what I'm going to do. I actually right now so my current goals. I'm a I'm training for powerlifting competition. And so I do have specific competition numbers that I want to make during the competition and my coach prescribes me very specific lifts and exercises that I need to do in order to meet those numbers now whether I reach those numbers at the Shouldn't a or not. I don't know like that's kind of out of my control. But what I can control is eating all my meals getting enough sleep drinking all my water all my workouts hitting the numbers in the gym staying consistent with those habits. Those are the habits that I can control and that is probably going to be more likely give me you know chance to hit those numbers when I'm ready and I don't think I'm creepy but it are you trying to hit 300 pounds. On your squat. Hell, yes. I am I was trying to do so, this is my second powerlifting competition. I had my first one last gen tour this past January and I wanted a hit 300 in my competition. I didn't so I'm coming back for it. This isn't girl. You're gonna do it. I hope so. Did you have a coach at 7:00 a.m. Every morning is your body builder coach there with you or is it just individual? So she's a power lifting coat I did. Have a bodybuilding coach earlier this year. So I do bodybuilding and powerlifting I switch off and my different. Okay. So a bodybuilding is just for aesthetic purposes. And the type of training is more of like you're doing a lot more like higher rep type training and powerlifting focuses on three movements. It focuses on squat bench and deadlift and the The training is centered around strengthening those specific movements. So the rep ranges are going to be shorter and yeah shorter than bodybuilding. So I see yeah, you'll do like one squat at 265 or something or yeah. Yeah. So ringing things mmm so like to two sets of by one so too. Yeah, I'll be squatting like 265 one time and then another said at 265 one time. Things like things like that. I think I'm a badass when I squat like 10 pounds. So whatever whatever girl shaping within topographies who hey start with 10 pound and then you could go to 11. Okay not possible Right variable at a time. Yeah, you need to be equal on both sides. So I need to be at 12. I bet I meant 12. Okay. I see you have a back, you know this stuff girl. Okay underrated. Lee I used to be like have like an abnormal strength I told you this like my show-and-tell always was push-ups and things like that like I did Muay Thai forever with all men and then I got diagnosed with lupus and it was like boom you're never gonna do these things again, which by the way doctors I did do it again and I was at the gym today and I ran three point seven miles. So after you doctors, that's aha, but it's not like I mean, I understand that I used to like do a lot of that stuff. So but not necessarily like I wasn't in like the powerlifting world that I was in like the Kick-Ass world, you know. Oh, yeah girl, that's awesome. But tell us about intervention for weight loss. You talked about this a little bit in our previous email, but you had said changing one small variable at a time, right? Okay. So during my bodybuilding cut this year. I started in January and ended in. June I think so with weight loss with fat loss pick something that you want to measure constantly so weight is okay. It's weight fluctuates based on water hormones sleep like there's so many variables with wait, so I wouldn't Focus so much on the weight scale, but for example last night, I weighed one thing this morning, I was five pounds lighter. Wow, I was like That's not true. I think it's about my um on, you know, the lady girl period time of the month and exactly are more mon-sol. Like you just said, yep, exactly. So I mean, it's definitely like some a tool that you could use but I wouldn't put so much emphasis on that I would do more. So what I was doing earlier this year, I was measuring my waist because that's what I wanted to lose waste. I was also measuring my my thigh and my hips. So those are the three measurements that I took every single day. That was my data right I started at my I think my waist that I started with was to 30 inches and then by the time and June it was down to like twenty six point seven five or something. I don't know and so yeah when I talk about changing one variable at a time I'm talking about like so I was still weight training I was weightlifting for Fiber five to six days a week, but I increase my cardio by increasing my calories. So I burn I started with burning a hundred calories per day. That's it. And I'm not talking about running on the treadmill. I'm talking about just increasing my activity level. So taking my dog for an extra walk during the day things that are like manageable starting small things that I enjoy doing. I went on parsimonious guys. Okay, simple Muldoon simple budget simple simple start small start simple and then continue take data. So if you're making progress without cutting any food, but just increasing your activity level a little bit and you're making progress that's you want to stay there. You don't want to cut food and start doing a bunch of cardio. You're going to lose weight for sure fast, but then you're going to hit plateaus and then where you going to go from there, you're going to have to cut more calories and you have to do more cardio and by the two months your Turns out and you're back to square one, like don't do that maybe a translation. This is a component analysis. Please only work on one variable at a time. We don't want to do too many things at once because we can't see what's actually making the change. So if she were to change our diet at the same time that she's changing her workout schedule the same time. She's on a new medication. You can't really tell what is affecting the change. So that's something we look at a lot in ABA. Yeah, exactly. Lee so, yeah and then after a couple weeks then I would increase the calories to 200 and then 300 then 400 and then also if I you know preference also takes into consideration, so I held off on cutting my food it for as long as possible because I love to eat and if I can lose weight by just doing more cardio than that's what I'm going to do. But there comes a point where you are going to have to cut calories somewhere and so I cut calories very minimally that's like 10 to 20 grams of carbs and like two grams of fat just a little bit now the clean-cut right? That's not what you're allowing yourself. Right? Right. That's ya know I would die. No. Thank you. You're just so balanced and you can tell from just your energy and the way you like your skin shines is that you know, what you're putting in your body is in our her hair shines. Damn it. There is like literally looking perfect. Oh, no that's being forwarded. Oh, yeah, but that food that you're eating and all that stuff is being converted into like really good energy for yourself and that is I think something that I took away from looking at your stuff. I'm like, wow, she has you know, she's at the gym in the morning at 7:00. She has a good habit a good routine. And then she always make sure she gets her meals in and she's you know that all that stuff for me was I'm like that is goals I want to get there. So yeah, absolutely and I think a lot of people when they first find out about macro based dieting or flexible dieting they kind of abuse it and do the whole If It Fits your Macros and they'll You know start to eat a little too many processed foods as long as it fits the macros does it matter but that in terms of weight loss. Yes, it doesn't matter but in terms of long-term Health it absolutely does matter. You still have to get your serving of vegetables in I owe, you know, I do have my bagel and I have a tree at night but most of my meals are filled with a lot of whole nutritious foods with a lot of vegetables and that's the stuff that's going to keep you full longer. Are so yeah, I definitely like company when you start in 2020. You're going to have a really cool meal plans and have it's on how to change them. And are you gonna do like workouts, too? Maybe in the future. I anticipate that maybe most of my future clients are going to be people who don't who need help building the habits around exercise and nutrition. There's already a ton of information out there on what types of exercises you can do what your what nutrition is the that's not the problem. The problem isn't about the lack of information. The problem is building the habits around that And starting small and so for example, like counting macros, for example, right? I wouldn't just like, okay like to somebody who's never counted macros before I wouldn't just say, okay here are your Macros. Good luck. Let me know how it goes. There's a process you have to learn what macros are what micronutrients are. You have to learn how to read a nutrition label looking at serving sizes drive versus wet. Grams ounces then you need to learn how to navigate the food journal app because it could be fucking confusing if you're new to it. And so you so there's a couple one one that you mentioned my fitness pal and there's one that I use that I love called my macros and I like that one because they have a lot more user-friendly features and the data is that they present is just more aesthetically pleasing for me and so after you learn That then you need to start measuring your food maybe one or two days. Don't overwhelm Yourself by trying to weigh and measure everything seven days in a row because it's freaking hard. I'm not going to lie, like it takes effort and it takes time. So start by just one day. Just seeing what how like weighing your chicken rice and vegetables and are you literally wedding it? Are you weighing all these things? Yep. Yep with a scale. Yes, so Good scale and so far you're so not lazy. Oh my God, you know what? I love though. You guys I'm going to quote something that I took from her Instagram. Okay, she says if you're struggling to, you know lose weight or stick to a habit. It's not because you lack discipline and it's not because you're a lazy. It's because you do not have a clear plan and solid foundation to support your long-term goals again, hash. Tags stalker but like that stuff. I was like, you know, it's true. It's because you don't have the skills. We think about our that were teaching our kids and you know people with Autism if they don't have the skills, we can't expect them to do that doesn't mean that they're lazier or you know, the, you know lack discipline or you know, they should just be doing this. They don't have the skills. So right again, if I don't know what a Graham versus announce versus a you know, what a chicken breast should look like for what I'm supposed to be eating like that does not mean anything. It means I don't have a Our plan of the Arab or Shantae to be my new coach because that's basically what's coming from the subject what exactly I mean, they're just so many steps that lead you to doing things that I'm doing and I hear a lot of people saying like no, it's too much effort there. I just don't have time. I don't have the pic and like I said, yeah, you know, there is a learning curve it is going to take extra time to learn how to do everything but let me tell you once it's a habit. You're not even going to think about it this past couple weekends. I told myself I'm like, okay. Hey Shawn say I'm not going to measure anything. I'm just gonna fuckin intuitive e and just do you know make my meals without the scale, but without even thinking about it. I have found myself grabbing the scale and putting it in front of me and I was like, oh shit. What am I doing now? It's just it's so ingrained in my daily behavior that I don't even Think about it anymore. So it does take time. It does take practice and it does take a willingness to learn these new skills. But again, like if you if people don't even know what the skills are, then they're not going to do it. So that's where I come in and I help you. I think you're going to have to write a lot of task analyses. You know, you're going to have to look what you started writing those ready girl training or 20 for me. I love a case that he's like throwing in like 20 20 20 20 20 You're going to be dropping. Yeah, I'm dropping it like it's hot. But so you'll help people learn you're going to be like teaching them the skills. I'm assuming through like, you know people who have never done things. So like a task analysis, right? Like what's that you use the app? This is how you're going to start. This is how we're going to start off with I'm assuming You'll probably look at things like reinforcement also, like well, what are you gonna do, you know like to set up to make sure the person is coming in contact with reinforcements. Are you consistently that? Yeah, we could I could definitely good because now we're Partners now, we're a team I could but one component that I feel like is absolutely necessary for something like this is applying Act. And to health and fitness and I know you guys had a recent episode anxious AF said that one. Yeah, we're you guys talked a lot about that and it's important that we apply this to health and fitness because if not, we are just the same as any other trainer or coach out there Behavior, like like you guys sit on that podcast behavior is so complex that it would be irresponsible to to ignore the fact that people come with a lot of baggage and history and Trauma that obviously got them to this point. So we need to kind of help them manage those emotions those negative thoughts that a lot of people those, you know, those self-doubts that they have during, you know, trying to make these Lifestyle Changes because it's there and I mean a lot of people, you know are afraid of changing because it they're going to Be they're going to be forced to face with some some baggage that they've been avoiding this whole time. So I think that's a very grainy you were so great like ice actually weirdly got goosebumps because that is so true. It doesn't matter if you start counting your Macros and you know lifting perfectly if you don't deal with the baggage, the personal private events is self-limiting beliefs then none of that. You're still that doesn't mean that your Optimal Health, right if you don't deal with the stuff internally Lee through and you know, I love acceptance commitment therapy. I think it's wonderful and then you're you know, then that's when your whole I love that. That's your out like on this. It's great. Yeah. I mean, I'm not formally trained on it, but I've been doing a lot of these birds and go. Being a course on it and I definitely feel like I need to include that in my practice for sure the big part of it. Absolutely. I love that what other questions do we have like while bizarre for like free Consulting session? I'm just thinking I'm like, what is your take on intermittent fasting? Oh, okay. I think it's a good antecedent strategy for caloric restriction, but it It's not magic. It's like if you if you're fasting until 12, I like if you eat like if you're consistently fasting until 12:00 and then one day you eat it, like 1150. Nothing is going to happen. You know what I mean? Like oh shit, that's five minutes. Wait, but like for me personally. Like it's not intentional but like I basically intermittently fast all day. Like I'm on Adderall whatever all day then at night great. That's great that I fasted all day, but it doesn't matter because I'm eating all through the entire damn night. I wake up like on my sleeping pills and I'm eating and I like it makes me more aware of it because now Pavlov like jumps off the bed like at the comedy of the kitchen every time and I'm like, I'm realizing how many times I'm lifting him up to put him back on the bed in the night and I'm like, okay. I really have a problem. I really don't matter. You're keeping yourself, like if you intermittently fast and then you still eat a pizza at 12:01. Like that's not gonna like help your body. I mean, it depends like it depends on how many calories you're eating within those eight hours. Like if I gave a shit done in an hour. Yeah, so glad I've been deprived all day like not eating like my meds make you not hungry when those meds wear off like those eight hours. I don't even need eight hours. I could like intermittently fast for 24. Or I mean 23 hours and like I think it's like hitting 18 hours to eight hours is what does that's the one I've heard of Shantae think. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean whatever I don't I don't know the difference or like the benefits of like 18 or eight verses 16. I just know that the purpose behind intermittent fasting is to help manage your caloric restriction. So it doesn't matter whether you decide to choose that inner man that fasting To restrict your calories or if you're just counting macros and reducing calories that way it's all the same thing. Okay, so I know that there are what was that? I just wanted your expert opinion. Do you do that Casey? No, not intentionally again. I just never liked have zero appetite all day long. Like I got up today till 3:00 p.m. And I worked out but I think clearly I'm not working out enough to make myself hungry, right? You need to build muscle. Yeah. Yeah build muscle because the so the benefits of building muscle it, you know, it helps create shape to your body. But it also helps increase your metabolism. It strengthens strengthens your immune function and you know, the more muscle you have the more, you know energy the more Raise your burn and the more food you can eat that's like the best part like I could do to to eat more fucking sign me up for that shit because I will do it. So who's up here? But I've also seen that you've done a lot of like essentially kind of like You know replacement behaviors for things like I've seen that you'll like create an awesome dessert, but it's like made with I don't know you'd like what healthier I've seen that you've made some things. I'm sorry. I have not stopped as recently as Casey. So Casey probably could like tell me the exact recipe and like how many grams of protein powder in it uses 2 tablespoons of cream cheese. Pretty good. Yeah, pretty much the same thing. Okay. Let's see. I knew I was I knew I had it somewhere but I just like you'll also do some replacement behaviors, right? Like I mean, we're like like something so you're not completely depriving yourself. You're just creating healthier healthier Alternatives. Yeah for sure. And that's what the the one thing that I love about macro based dieting is like I'm not restricting. I'm just more substituting and you know more Flexible with my diet. So of course, I can't eat a freaking donut every single day because doughnut has like a ton of fat and that's like a quarter my fat for the day. So that would it make sense, but I can have Alternatives and make you know, there's a lot of Instagram account Instagram accounts out there that post recipes for macro based dieting so a macro friendly pizzas and macro friendly ice creams. And so those are the counts that I follow I am not crazy. The at all when it comes to cooking or meals like don't ask me about recipes because I know none I just I just made quit. I just make what I know from other accounts that I followed what what are your go-to things that you make so I can so I make a sweet icing that my bodybuilding coach had so she gave us like a her own recipe book and the Smoothie icing on there is just so good. I Put that on rice cake with some chocolate chips. And that just like is perfect for my sweet tooth and I have a huge sweet tooth so night me to like yeah, I'm like, oh my God, I just went Sour Patch Kids. Yeah. Yeah. I'm more of like a chocolate a chocolate girl. But yeah, I feel you on that and during my weight cut. I had literally every single night this protein ice cream that I got from this girl, I think Instagram name is Lily loves macros, and it was just like this thick and creamy chocolate ice cream with like 20 grams of carbs and like 40 grams of protein and like 10 grams of fat. It was amazing and that got me full like after, you know beyond a caloric restriction all day and you just want to feel full and hungry. That was like the perfect thing to have at night to make me feel full but not deviate from my goals. So that was awesome. Be like, I think I could do these things. things if I had a chef Yeah, like well the celebrities I'm like, yeah, like like I used to live with someone who she's a nutritionist but she's also like you and when I was living with her at the time she was in vegan culinary school. And so she always has like try these things out and she like love cooking and like everything was just like so much work like it's like so if you want to make dressing or you want to make yourself cheese, you have to soak these nuts overnight. So then you could put them in here to make this and this and like I ate so damn well that year but like it so if I have a chef I can be like hot as hell, you know, so I gets on response effort I feel you on that cooking is not something I'm willing to put that much effort in I stick to my Staples like bolts of proteins folks. Carbs and vegetables and then I just kind of changed those boots get satiated. Like if you're having the same kind of chicken every day. No, I don't I don't it I so, like I said, so my post-workout Meal which is where I could have fun stuff like bagels and I don't know just like I all cream cheese and cream cheese like that's enough for me. I can eat the same like like in between like a meals three through three four and five like I can say it eat those same meals every single day as long as I can have a really bomb breakfast and a sweet treat at night. I'm good on the weekends. I you know, I still go out to restaurants and stuff and with my fiancé with my friends, I just pre-plan and look that shit up on on the internet and I pre-plan that in my app and I'm good to go. And so that's for you planner in general. Are you a planner? Yes. I'm very type A a very type a planner self-management time schedule like graduate on time for your sessions. Absolutely. Yes freaking bcba, of course. What do you so am I girl we have the exact same criteria and I mean not criteria credential you're not on time. I might be running a few minutes late. I'm like 17 minutes early for everything and I like sit in the parking lot. So awesome to have a hard time with boundary. So like I'm like, okay. Yeah. Sure Mom one. Keep talking to me, even though I needed to be somewhere 17 minutes ago. But yeah, I am I am like type see what type of like really tiny reindeer anything. Really? She's oh my God, that gives me anxiety is here. I'm stressed out right now. What I was gonna say is that you're eating for fuel right like your there's a difference between eating for fun or you know satisfaction and eating for what your body needs to be like a really great machine. Do you ever go up and drink or you like cut that out completely so I can't I can't not like I used to not like your party college. No, no no pie. I like to stay at home and have one glass of wine like once a week and that's it. My good fire one. I can't because the hangovers are just too much. And since I'm training for a competition, I just have I have big goals. So like it alcohol affects that way too much. I'm not gonna it's not worth it to me. It just isn't so medication and your self-control. I love everything about you if you we are so happy that you came on here. Finally and we get to talk all about what you do and we're so excited for you. And as soon as 2020 anything else you want to tell us about the path to Gold before we wrap this up and it's totaled I'm swimming at your maiden name. It's no it's my current last name. I'm not changing my life. She acts like it's so much easier like as soon as I like take Ali rounds last name on it's like not cool at all. So yeah, my fiance is totally cool with me keeping it. Now when we have kids that's a another story so harder. Yeah, but yeah, I'm definitely keeping my last name. Um, I'm trying to think of what else know if you guys don't have any questions for me to can't really think of anything else people want to reach out to you with questions. Can they reach out to you on your insta? Yeah, my Instagram the paths of gold and working on the show notes. We put that in the show notes. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely. It's like if she said no right now she'd be like a total bitch. He had like absolutely good choices like so people want to reach out for help and she's like no, I'm good. Anyone want to Follow her path to Gold we did we're happy we did because now we had her on the show. Yay. Thank you so much for having me. It was so great. So thank you so much for coming and working with us and fitting this into your schedule, especially because like we're all on different. Time zone time zones. Yeah over here like one no worry like you were three hours behind we made it were we are you at in layers and Diego I living in LA but I'm from San Diego, you know, I tried moving to San Diego like two years ago. What happened? It was like a fail. It was like a Lear and I were like let's look let's try it out my cousins live there and like not Latoya but like we spend a lot of time in the way. I forgot the other area, but it was like so expensive and I was studying for my btb exam at the time and like I had literally just had my fingers amputated so I wasn't like any Yeah, exactly Shantae. Thank you so much for coming. They'll at least you made us go to the gym and get ready because you're so intimidating that we did it also. Thank you in a good way. I have a whole page here of notes and I'm gonna go file into my mental brain cavity, and I'm so excited that we got to have you on so thank you. Thank you for having me on this is so much fun. And if you girls ever have any questions Students feel free to hit me up for real. Thank you. Careful. Be careful what you say. He's already like on her Instagram. I have to put some limitations on that. Yeah. Yeah, right your boundaries early. Just kidding now. We love you. Thank you. And thanks for listening everyone episode 13 in the back drive go follow us and as always love you mean it. Hey guys, it's Lia hot here. And I just wanted to take the time for just a single second of your time and tell you about something awesome. As you know, Casey and I are super into this podcast thing going on here and getting it started and I just want to let you know that there's an easy way to get it done. And that is what I'm going to tell you right now about pretty easy podcast. Thank God we got in touch with a team at pretty easy podcast they help you. Do everything from start to finish they will get your show up there. They will record episode for you. They will produce it. They will add bleeps in if you're full of f-bombs, like myself whatever it is that you need they will do it. When you first said you want to start a podcast. I was like, okay we can do that. We have no idea what we're doing. I never really thought it would get off ground until we met Alan at pretty easy podcast and I put all my fears to rest he helped us get everything going from all of our audio editing and production and hit our song that we have which is Amazing by the way. We're allowed to record from our own homes. He helps us with our guests. He caters to our schedule. Come on Lee at we are the worst with scheduling. I mean, I know we said we're going to have a podcast a week so far were out a few days. But hey, he works with us. That's what we need. But the point is we were looking at how we could download all these different programs to try learn how to do all this podcast and stuff. But truth is it's affordable. It's much easier have someone do it for you. 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Today on Episode 13 we have Chauntae Gold, M.Ed, BCBA on the show. She is doing some wicked cool stuff with ABA and fitness/nutrition. How many times have you started a new diet but couldn’t stick with it? How many times have you signed up for a class or gym membership and never went? How many times have you started a 30-day challenge and not make it past the first week? We have been there baby and Chauntae is here to tell you that it is NOT because you are lazy or that you lack discipline. It is because you do not have a clear plan and solid foundation of daily habits that support your long term goals. Tune in to hear all about how you can use behavior analysis to change your habits that will allow you to gain optimal health and live your best life!! Show Notes: Follow Our Guest Here: @thepathtogold Health, Sport, and Fitness ABA SIG: hsfgabai.com ACT workshop: catalog.pesi.com Basic Nutrition Certification: Precision Nutrition- For folks who want to learn about the fundamental principles of nutrition! Unconventional Medicine: Chris Kresser. This is a book that describes the current chronic health crisis in America and how behavior change is the missing piece to our current healthcare system. Automic Habits: James Clear

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What's up Chris? Yeah. Miss you guys did we miss you too, man. Thank you again so much for for being a part of this thing man. That's you know, we couldn't appreciate it. More dude II feel like I feel like I had you, you know, it's just I can't leave the boys hanging dude. We love that man. We love that and that's why we wanted to have you on this show as early as we could because we just feel Oh, no, man. We're coming out to your show in Brooklyn. You know we go to we like you man. We like to hang out with you and talk to you so it's been it's been it's been a long time since caramel rapping in Tyler's basement. True. Were you ever in on those those those driveway van rap sessions off the driveway van rap session the only driveway session I have it Tyler's and carnivals and ever Dan and Tyler showed me the the record with breakthrough on it and It's like crying their eyes out because they're banning. I remember that. I don't but I don't remember a lot of back. I just remember like Dan showing me their version of that song Perfect and being like yo, All-American Rejects comes in right here boo gobble. I was like dude your Hollywood ending dude. You're not All-American Rejects. Yeah. Don't feel don't feel bad about not remembering it because like 95% of my my dealings with Darren Tyler. I don't remember either so do know I was the one who did remember that's kind of why I was around. Yeah. You were like our scribe I mean, If you don't remember, you know when we were hanging out in that exercise room in Chicago then like as long as you remember that then I don't care. What else you forget. Oh my God, I'll never forget it was like, yeah, we get noise complaints everyone be quiet. You just wanted to the exercise room. There's like, you know what? We're not we're not potentially getting thrown out of a hotel. We're just going to go sit on some exercise bikes and just chill. Oh man. What to worry? What even what tour was that what Freaks and Geeks tour it had to be that was like, I think that was the same tour when we shut down a whole floor of a hotel in Allentown. Oh God. Yeah that that was the craziest that was probably one of the craziest parties ever been to my knowledge. Just like I think they that was probably the smartest Hotel we've ever been to because they were like, oh, there's three band staying here and a whole bunch of dumb kids. Let's just give them all the same floor and book every room on that floor for them. And we literally had the whole floor and I'm pretty sure I woke up in the morning to a picture of Derek wearing a bulletproof vest. Yeah mean the security guard became homies. I asked him if I could wear his bulletproof vest and he let me wear it was pretty sweet. So many questions about that first off. What kind of hotel are you staying in that? The security needs a bulletproof vest? Well the Holiday Inn. Yeah. It was actually the Holiday Inn, you know like holidays by chance know that's yelling at the Holiday Inn who you know, that's a classic rap song. I'm chilling at the Holiday Inn I do about it. I'm singing is actually about that Holiday Inn in Allentown that same night. Actually me and Chris born went on to Dickey Betts from The Allman Brothers tour bus that was just like a wild night and he's anything like touring with all you guys dude my first guitar my dad purchased for me from Dickey Betts because one of my uncle's was a tour manager of this band. What was their name? They were like this band from the 70s that was huge in Europe. They wrote. Time Summertime Blues or whatever that who song was that got really famous that was their song and they covered it but my first guitar was from Dickey Betts has just guitar graveyard. My uncle's I can get you a guitar cheap awesome. It sucked but I didn't even know that he was who he was at the time. Like I knew he played with the Allman Brothers, but I didn't realize he was in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I was there like three four months later and they had like all his shit like in a case and I was just like damn like Seriously, cause at the time I was just like a big like all time low key and like all young and over the last few years. I've kind of I feel like I've cultured myself a bit more with music trying to reel trying to align myself with the Great's not that all-time lows and great, but try to set my sights a little bit higher. So I'm forcing myself to listen to little little bit different style music and stuff like that. But when yeah, what good times voice great Rate times dude, you know, I'm kind of glad you said that because one of the things I've noticed about your newest EPO know is that you know, when you're in the Big Time those songs were Rockin right? They were very in your face your vocal sounded great, but they sort of they you can tell the journey that you've been on, you know, like you have a pop song but then out of nowhere, there's a rip in guitar solo. And that doesn't that doesn't mean it's like a classic rock song and you do it in such a way that it's like you're combining I can tell where You came from and where you currently are and you're blending those to at least I get that as a listener and I think that that's really you're on a good path is what I'm trying to say. Well, thanks Chris. I think that it's I think it's a very important thing. It's always been a very important thing for me to never Define myself as one thing because I make all different types of songs that kind of write how I'm feeling like if I'm feeling angry like it's going to sound may be heavy and gain a little bit more aggressive and a lot of my favorite artists artists. I think that have done great. Throughout hit by music history or the artist that kind of ride the line first example that I guess was like Fallout Boy back in the day. Like they really interface with like the pop hip-hop then like pop punk and so a little bit of so let me thing like that and panic at the Disco like you couldn't really Define those bands and I kind of wanted to be like that with walking. I don't I don't want to Pigeon myself in any way because now that walk me is my project and I have full creative control. And I ran out of all the songs and stuff. I you know, I want to be able to experiment throughout the rest of my life because this is this is a thing where walk me is my name, it's not just a cab and it's not just like some project idea that we came up with. It's it's got a very deep meaning like it was my mom's maiden name stuff and that's story goes way back my mom passed away and I was like 15 and that's kind of like what gave me like a kick in the ass with music kind of forced me to use music. To just keep myself busy. So it has a very very strong meaning and I never want to have to have a conversation with myself and be like is this walk me like my am I going to be able to pull this off. I want to be able to just kind of do whatever the fuck I want for the rest of my life. That's kind of how I'm trying to set it up. That's that's pretty sick because honestly, I remember like seeing you guys in the big time and it was dope and you guys were one of the better bands of that scene back in the day. All right P that scene and It's just listening to the new stuff and even like the older songs. I airplanes and stuff like that. It's it just sounds more fun. Like all the other stuff. It kind of sounded like you were just like yeah. This is the songs that were writing the fit in this scene and like girls like it. So we're doing it lets us tour. But now it's kind of like you're just like I wrote this and I'm just gonna put it out whether people like it or not and it seems like people really like it and I like it and I'm just really excited to see you continue to have fun. Well, thanks boys. Yeah. I think that making it was kind of scary because like Chris said it's like it's kind of the most pop stuff I've ever done like when I really see a rose. It kind of just scared the hell out of me. I was like wow, like this song is really good. But like this is super pop and it like I kind of just my producer kind is forced me to run just run with it and it turned out to be a really great thing Lucia Rose was one of the songs I sang that got me through all those American Idol auditions and then after I got cut I submitted it to a friend of mine. And it got picked up one of those Now That's What I Call Music compilations just pretty cool. So I mean it seems like it's working out. I've kind of learned that like the things that make me uncomfortable or the things that I need I need to do because that's the only way I'm going to grow. Right. Yeah. No, I mean I definitely shows but you know, it's funny. You said that you said that this new EP is the most pop Papa record you've ever done but simultaneously, I almost feel like it's the most rocking release that you've had absolute. And so I kind of would like to know was that a subconscious thing that just naturally happened or was it an active decision you made to try and like because obviously that song is very Pop. I mean it's a now that's music, you know, but it's still the most Rocking song in that. In that compilation yet. It fits so perfectly or yeah, we are. I don't know we think about like what walk me is the core of it. And I mean, I guess I don't like to like some people think that pop is a dirty word, but I've kind of realized that pop isn't even really a genre. It just means that you got hooks and whatever so I kind of like pop is always been something that I've written. I've always written songs are like kind of pop songs, but we always want no matter. What happens with walking you want to keep at least keep a rock and roll attitude? Because that's who I am. You know, I grew up listening to like my son my first records that I listen to we're like guns and roses and like Lincoln Lincoln Park it which isn't really rock that's kind of more of a fusion stuff. But I just, you know, I always wanted to be a rockstar growing up. So I figured it would be good to attack the pot world with a rock and roll attitude for sure. Definitely. I mean when I was Chris and I went to see you when you were on tour pretty recently I think in Long Island and yeah, it was efficient Brody right was on guitar Rogan Rogan Roman. Yeah Rogan because somebody else is like, oh, yeah. That's that's it fucks Rogan. Nay Brendan. Like that was the like you guys melted my face with all of the rock that you guys brought forth. I was not expecting because those were for the EP came out, so I haven't even heard the only song I heard that was on it was probably loose. Rose where was it? Yeah. I don't think you played airplanes or north or any of those songs. Yeah, you played pretty much the whole EP and I was blown away. I was like one song is sounded like the Allman Brothers one song. I was like is this is Santana guitar solo bro, but then at the same time as look around I was like all these girls are eating this up, which means that it's pop AF so I don't know how you did that, but I'm I don't know when I'm going to stop listening to it. I think that bromine Rogan and Nate and Brendan Brendan and I mean, I have a number of people that I play with but Rogue an innate and definitely been named Nagel was bass player broken Allen's guitar player. I'll move there from being a really big part in building this live show looking at myself as like a solo artist. I've kind of taken the live performance as as an opportunity to do more rather than just play the record because when you go see like even when you go see like Lil Wayne like he's got a full rock and roll bands like the best guitar player. You can find his dream shreds. Yeah. I've seen it and they just you know, Just they ham it up. So having Rogan and Nate there to just kind of make me look better is really really awesome. I love those guys. Absolutely. Yeah, I noticed you guys also have a similar aesthetic like when looking at walk me. I didn't think oh, this is a solo artist who has a live band, you know you guys in the way you played off each other to in the live show. It felt very organic. And to me that was that was very impressive considering you haven't really been jamming with these guys for very long, correct? No, it's I mean, it's been a couple months like Four months maybe maybe five at this point. I've been I lost I've been losing track of time, but I definitely try to like, although walk me is my project like these boys are just as much a part of walk me as I am just as much as my manager. Brian is a part of walking just as much as you guys are the fans like and everyone like walk me is not just me. It is technically but it's not it's it's a big group of people that all have come together for for one reason and that is to do something. Powerful and meaningful and I think I try to just create like a family environment Rogan and Nate and Brent and everyone that I play with like we're all friends, which is I think super important. No one is coming out with me that you know, we don't necessarily like or someone that is just a call. Yeah, he feds but you know, he's a dickhead we don't like him, but we'll keep around like I I really want everyone to feel as involved as possible and I want To create as many opportunities for these dudes as possible because they haven't been necessarily working in the industry were in the business of original music for for very long and definitely not touring. So I really want to kind of show these guys the way and so we can all kind of get our figure out our own careers in the music industry and kind of establish. So yeah, that's awesome. I mean it definitely shows on stage that you guys get along and like each other. I think that's really cool. The how you want everyone like that's a fan of walking to feel like they're part of it like more than just enjoying the music. What was what's like, one of the first bands are artist that made you feel like you were like a part of them that I feel like they had to have inspired you to feel that way. Right? I mean like I have to give this answer there's not really I mean like it started started with local bands, you know, I started going to see shows when I was like in fifth grade. Actually my first show I was like 10 and it was a hardcore show and South I'd of Pittsburgh and I'm basement since dinner. Then I start Alex started skateboarding and stuff and then I will go skate at this church where they would have chosen alternative like 2005 and almost across the street and this guy was like hey, have you ever been to ship into a shells? Like no, but I'm broke. Well, let me walk you in I'll get you in and it was like Valencia and punchline and this local band called man Valencia, dude. So seeing all that like made me like be like wow like I could do this like this. Guys are sick, but it was really just it wasn't until I got lost in the Myspace world of all time low that I really felt like wow like I can I could actually do that. Like this is your I feel very included in these guys journey and it made me want to do it like it was there's no other way for me to explain it like the that band did a lot for me because they played a lot but they played in Altoona a lot like JC Ray is a girl from Altoona. They just like as teenagers we come here all the time. So I definitely made me feel like I was a part of that journey and I don't understand like made a prey and stuff too. Like even like especially may I prayed actually like for real like 100% like Derek Sanders is like the absolute 100% like most down-to-earth grounded human being I've ever met in all of my dealings and travel that band was, you know, I open for them and I was like, 15 and then we follow their tours and they would always think give us encouraging words and stuff and then it got to the point where I got to write with Derek and then from there when they would come around like you kind of take me backstage. So me the way that they do things and actually make me like kind of show me the way and that make that inspired me even more like just just seeing how these professionals do it and having that inside look was definitely really beneficial. To me and made me want to just go go go did um, I don't know. I probably never told you this but May Day Parade, I actually consider discovering that band was one of the the seminal moments in my life as a musician because I found out about them freshman year of high school and up until then. I was just like all about alternative radio, you know Rise Against Foo Fighters all that stuff. I didn't know that there was this small punk rock movement, you know, like the happening like the Warped Tour scene. I had heard about warped or I knew Link played it but I didn't really know about like the side stage bands and all that type of stuff. So I mean, I feel like a lot of people our age to like I could name a bunch of my friends who I know that like May Day Parade bands like that really influenced us and in a sense. It's sort of interesting because you don't really have that punk sound anymore, but you definitely have that punk mentality. So I mean, you know, like I feel like we don't really have that sound anymore either Andrew and I we sort of but we still have that punk mentality where we're always grinding and grinding, you know, No, so I think that those bands like all time low like you mentioned like I think I don't know where we would be musically without those bands even though we're not doing that anymore. You know. Yeah. It's yeah kind of seems like all those punk bands started like like I feel like with pop and all that stuff. It's like the pop stars are like celebrities and you're just like, oh, I hope I can meet them and I take a picture with them but I feel like punk bands are always like now, we're all the same. We're all just friends. We were just on stage playing the songs and you guys are just down there singing the songs with us, right? We're all this with Derek was saying exactly. Yeah exactly. Yeah. I think going into hopefully, you know, like I'm not sure what's going to happen for me in the next year like Bo beep we've got lots of high hopes and big plans and Big Dreams, but I really am trying to make a point to keep that mentality with me is as long as I can because those are the artists that survived even like the pop star artists that we can't get to like the ones that make their fans feel included the ones that care about their fans. Those are the ones that stick around forever. They're the ones that will always always be there because you can't do anything without your fans and going through like the three-year, lull in between the end of the big time the rocky beginning of walk need to now. I feel like I lost a lot of fans. So all I try to do now is just make sure those people that I have that are still with me understand how much I value them and how important they are to me because You know all these great things that have happened for me all these things that people come up and talk to me about things that people are like wow, like you're so cool. Like I want to be able to do anything without them. So it's it's a it's definitely crucial like you got it. You gotta give that love back. Yeah. I mean think they're fucking rock stars and just like don't they look at fans as consumers and numbers and it is a business, but they're people You know and it's like it's been a dream of mine to have anybody care about my music as much as I do and I think some of these kids care about more than I do like they're getting tired of up and they're just like y'all like what like how like, how is this happening? How is this real life? Like it's just surreal even still after 10 years, you know. Yeah. I mean, I remember well, I should say I don't Were the big time ever flying to play a show on Spirit Airlines and I've seen walk knee flash Spirit a lot to play a show, which is pretty cool. I can't say that I've ever flown somewhere just to play a concert. So I think that the fans are still around definitely really really like you and definitely feel the love because I think that anyone who has literally been to one of your shows knows that this is what you like to do. This is what you love to do and you love, you know, meeting the people that let you do that and you just love seeing them out in the crowd and it's not even that you want. Don't necessarily like a big crowd to play for like a lot of people like you want just the people that are in that because you know, the people there in the room or people that want to be there and support you in are all friends. And you just want that for everybody. Yeah. Yeah 100% I definitely want big crowd. So don't give me right laughs right? I was going to say I think that that mentality because I noticed the community at your show in Long Island a couple months back, but I just think that your mentality will it's bound to double and snowball, you know, based off what you just said like you care and that's that's what people want. In an artist, I think I think that's what the people want. I think that the industry wants something totally different totall. I mean you've you probably had a little taste of that with the American Idol experience, right? Yeah, the American Idol experience. I wouldn't necessarily call that the industry I would call that television. Um, I always kind of viewed it like going into the American Idol stuff. It was always like it is always 100. It's been something that I've never wanted to do as long as I've been a singer. I can't tell you how many times people are like dude. Why don't you go try out for American? I don't want you to voice. I gotta be working construction. Like I work construction for like 10 years. All right, use and everyone's a go try out for American Idol and I was like, I don't know about this. I don't know and then I was doing music lessons with my friends kid, and she kind of like forced me to do it and I kept getting through and kept getting through because I was just singing original music and I guess they thought I was unique or whatever I end up doing like three auditions before I even got in front of the judges. And it was a really awesome experience like meaning Lionel Richie and Brian and Katie Perry and I got like some really awesome career advice real advice from them not just like television advice. But yeah, I mean the the industry it is much like the industry where you know, it's if there's another guy that looks just like me and has the same hair as me and things the same way as me and whatever but he's just a little bit better looking like that. Dude is gonna get it like it's just kind of It's kind of the way of the world. So I think that at least the way of the industry right now is like I just think that the number one thing to do is like what we were talking about is like cultivate your own fan base create your own world. Like don't let other people tell you who to be or how to be that was kind of like a big reason why I didn't really want to succeed with American Idol, you know, everyone's like use it till you get far enough that You know the like you can make it you can make something out of it. But once I got to Hollywood week and they were like you get a deal with Hollywood Records and $250,000. I was just like I don't know about this like all the horror stories. I've heard about people being locked and 7 year contracts. Like I'm not a dick. I'm not Disney dude like and that was like my big concern. I was like am I gonna have my freedom limited and it like it was just, you know, it wasn't for me, but it Definitely like the whole time man. Like I would just sell the whole time. I was there. I was just like I don't want to be here. I don't know if I want to do this like this is because I was just kind of scared probably to be honest. But then once I got the Hollywood week, I was like, this is the coolest thing ever like they put us up in the Roosevelt Hotel never like 200 other incredibly talented singers and artists and it was really awesome. So I mean part of me wishes that I would have tried a little harder. I'm prepared a little better, but I think It worked out for the best because feeling defeated from that whole experience was what made me submit my stuff for now and like it has made me kind of just be like, all right. Well, I gotta get this I gotta get this album out. I got to start really doing this for myself and start making new fans because I've always viewed the like American Idol was I think it was like a Dave Grohl quote or something. He's like you don't stand in line and become famous over and like a success in music industry. You like by one city instruments and like jamming and a garage and suck until you become Nirvana. Like that was always my mentality and that's just kind of how I felt when I was there. I was like, this is skipping. This is skipping a step. I was like I need I need to do a little more grinding before I'm ready for this type of thing. Yeah, and I mean since then you've kind of Hit the Road pretty intensely. I mean you just got off of what a month ago about a month-long tour. Yeah. It was like a little over a little over a month. I think it was an honor. Started in August. It was like a month-long van tour and then because of Spirit Airlines their music for Miles program. I got to fly to a bunch of different cities like Orlando Atlanta Nashville, Los Angeles Minneapolis few other different places. And so if it was like one month of just straight bands for and then there was a month of just fly gigs and songwriting sessions photo shoots music video shoot. Thing like that. So it was two months. There's actually eight weeks straight is the longest that I've ever been out consecutively and it was brutal, but I can't wait to do it again. Yeah speaking of that. You have a tour coming up in December. I do it's a it's with a band called the Von's and they're from New Jersey. They're pretty sweet there like a like an alternative that little more of a rock band. I guess. It's so pretty in D. And it's just us two and we're doing I think Brooklyn Philly Long Island's Garwood, New Jersey and then there's an Upstate New York date that I can't remember for the life of me right now, but it's just five little shows to close out the year celebrate the release of the EP and just kind of it's gonna be really easy. I think because all the Northeast yeah those drives aren't that long? Yeah. We have a mic to Rapa from the stolen he works over it's all good booking and he's my booking agent. He's even whenever We have longer towards the he's a king of for doubting and he met he's made our touring. So so easy. So shout out to my dude. He's made it happen for me now, dude, that's that's incredible and congratulations on that. One thing. I actually wanted to ask you was you know, you mention that you are you simultaneously put out your most pop and then I said, you're also your most Rock record and you're touring with a rock band right. Now. Are you going to explore the options of touring with more pop artist, maybe even like Solo artists that are you know, straight pop like radio pop or are you going to try to stay more in that alternative rock world with the emphasis on Pop? I think that I'm gonna just explore, you know, I think that what this music is kind of set me up for is you like I said before the ability to ride the line, so I think I can tour with anybody. I would always say like, you know, either still like there's only five songs out, but I have a mountain of music that just touches Everywhere and I used to always say like I could tour with Katy Perry Lionel Richie oil is Brian like I want to be able to to take to to gather as many fans as possible. I think that the difference between this music and the big times music was the big-time music was very Niche sound. It was like that worked or email pop punk took thing, but I think that the new Tunes like everyone can listen to and appreciate so yeah, I'm definitely not opposed to touring with straight pop artists. It would be sweet to get on tour with like do it Lipa. That would be nasty. Wait, let me see. So cool. Like we were but then at the same time I got would absolutely love to tour is like the main or I could see that working really. Well, you know, like any of it would be stored like a night game to like just I think that I have a sound like a note that allows me to kind of do all that so yeah, I think just get sky's the limit boys. I feel like I could see you having almost the exact same transformation The Martin Johnson had because he was in Boys Like Girls is like, you know. Topping the always headlining the tours of the all-time low and all the other ones and then all of a sudden now, he's the lead singer of this incredible pop band and I know that you're a bit more rock than they are but like still like you can get solos. They both have solos. But yeah. Yeah, it's a little more rock obviously, but it's not it's not out of the realm of possibilities that right but you see a lot of those kinds of guys, like maybe not a lot of them but some of them try to like quote unquote get out of the scene and try something else and they just can't because they don't sound like anything else. Whereas I think I think your progression Derek was very natural. You know because you haven't abandoned it, you know, I'm guilty of doing that. I sort of abandoned my seen roots for a few years really dove into this whole folk world and just pretended like I never went to a warped or and I think that hurt me in the long run because now I sort of like we said earlier I use those tools those tools. I got, you know being in a DIY grind booking your own shows booking your own weekenders. I use those more now than I did when I was, you know in the DIY bands in the hardcore scene, so I think it's a beautiful thing that you Have that mentality and like you said, you're always expanding. Yeah, I think that's that's been one thing that I've noticed that people said that about the EP is the like wow that you've grown so much and that is always been my goal with every album on that's why I didn't put out an album for a while is because I felt like a lot of the stuff that I was working on recording. I scrapped three records. They all were just felt like a step back. So the people up here just like wow like you grown so much and my goal is Every time just grow from the last because that's what that's what we hit the big time. We put out five forty pieces big time and every time we just kept getting better kept getting better and I think that if I keep going at this rate like by the time I'm 30 years old, hopefully, I'll have like some granny there's some Grammy award-winning cuts and shit like that. Like I could see I left my truck my goal. My goal is to get that Grammy and become like a worldwide like Performing Artist. That's those are those are kind of my big goals right now. Yeah, and I mean honestly man, I think you could be one of those artists that wins a Grammy for the same song both in pop and rock which you don't really hear Too Much happening like that anymore yet most that I think that other thing that that I've definitely been experimenting with little bit and trying to interface with more with is the hip-hop world the way that hip-hop is innovating music is just like unmask. There's no one that does like I'm By any means of yes, I can rap but I'm by no means a rapper. I just mean the way that the music's made the workflow the mentality like the turnaround on these hip hop songs is insane like me goes can go into go into a studio and make an album in a day because they're just like living freely. Like there are is just full of like some people may argue that it's not as quality or whatever is like May Day Parade or whatever. I don't think that's Really true but these guys are just going in and they're just doing it they're saying it but landing on the record and then like, okay cool next track before, you know, you got 15 songs and just like that. I think that that is something to Aspire towards just being able to be a machine like that like the Hollywood ending days like touring and freestyle like learning how to freestyle rap with all you guys and stuff is actually become a very very big part of my writing process. Not necessarily rapping but applying the freestyling to my singing just getting up on the mic and just doing a freestyle singing track just to find a melody or some lyrics and it's actually change the way that I write a lot. I used to be like I used to view myself as some like sad poet Lyricist guy. That was just so tortured and now I'm just like Yo, dude, let's put it out on the track and see what see what comes out and a lot of times. The words that just come out from my come out and just a freestyle end up being the one's that I keep because they're just flowing directly from my subconscious. I'm like, wow, like that's really to I never really thought I never really realized that I feel like that sometimes I have my subconscious songwriter mind kind of tells me how I'm feeling before I even realize it so, it's cool man. I'm just kind of trying to experiment a little bit dude. I mean, I mean look at how else to the boy came about No, he was in a country pop and put out like one EP every two years and then all of a sudden he becomes to deploy puts out a song every week. I'll do that with never forget. Like I wish you know, I love Dan. I love Tyler. I love all those boys but I wish Brandon Stewart like all the success in the world. Not that I don't wish those guys at but I've just seen that dude. Like when he first moved to LA man, like he had no idea what like what he was gonna do. Yeah time for jobs. Like all day every day and now he's doing it and like it inspires me everyday. It's work hard and stood apart is definitely one of my heroes dude that stew pocalypse mixtape is all I put on all the time. I mean dude, you speaking of Stew the bull, you know, his first track live at MSG dude. It was at MSU want to talk about someone is put the work in you know, that's mention. Like how much can I drink more than you can think? And it's recover of Aerosmith's don't want to miss a thing. Oh, my God gives me chills. I remember I just remembered and telling me about that. He was like, yeah Brandon was in our studios in the he's in the studio. We're working on a song and he did the student voice and he was like, yo bro, like you have to just do that. Like that's it like you ain't mad and they just want with it. I'll never forget when they made snow boots and they're just like follow my party. So I knew that that was one of the Rap songs I might have ever heard in my whole life and it like makes me angry. How casually they wrote those songs because it was like I try so hard to be a good musician and then Dan is like Yo dude, check out this thing we did last night and it's like Shamu and I'm like dude. This song is so catchy. That's how they do it man. Like those kids. Those kids were very very big in like my metamorphosis as well. Like Tyler and same hear a lot about songwriting and just a lot about how you have to be in order to Succeed like not necessarily like I don't mean like they influence me to like party like an animal that was already like a part of me before I met them, but it was it just you know, they I remember I had a conversation with Tyler one day and I like I said, I was like this email I thought of myself as a Simo poet guy and Tyler's like dude just sum it up. He's like just say it like you don't have to be so poetic about he's like people will connect was it more if you just come right out and say it. Yeah, so I tried to write my Eric's on this on this new EP. I don't necessarily think they're the best lyrics that I've ever written, but I think that they're the most like blunt like in Lucy Rose. I say like I just didn't have the balls to speak up. I just knew I had to leave my friends like did you say fuck it? Did you think balls and yeah. Hell yeah, I definitely I definitely credit Tyler and Dan for like teaching me how to listen to music like the way I do now because before I was just like oh cool song and I'm like, wow listen to what they're doing in this part and that part is They're they're wise beyond their years when it comes to music. They definitely are they've lived. They've lived eight of nine of their lives. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, you know, I think that they're like well, maybe only a few I think Dan's like a cat do like you can isn't he somehow just land on his feet no matter what you throw him off. I don't know if I've ever heard a more accurate description of Dan than just he always lands on his feet. Just so people know because we've been talking about them for a while now. We're talking about our friends in a band called seven seven one five. But Derek with with all that being said man. I don't want to lose this question. I know we're a little bit aways from it. But you were talking about earlier about sort of an improvisational writing process. Now that makes me want to ask because I love talking about this with people. Do you let the lyrics come to you first or do you you let the melody find you over the chords or whatever and then you're singing and you're like, oh no I miss you. Like you find you find that one word and you build off that like, what's your process? And that yeah, so basically how I'll do is I'll build a track and then I'll just sometimes I'll have an idea already with lyric but lately that hasn't been the case. So I'll just go in and I'll sing a Melody because I've been trying to write more for my voice rather than all right. What is this song mean? What's the song gonna be like beforehand? I just kind of go into it blind and figure out what works my voice and then sometimes I'll just say I'll say to Lyric in that little scat track or freestyle or whatever and I'll build off that. Or sometimes it'll sound like I'm saying something else. Oh, yes II actually I was watching this Def Leppard documentary and that's how I came up with Pour Some Sugar On Me. They all just takes did a bunch of different scat tracks and they came up the line love is like a bomb baby. Come on get it on and so I was like fuck you don't gotta try that. That's sick. So yeah, it's like a lot of times I'll just it'll come it'll start with the Melody. I don't write lyrics to The Melody, which is something that I never used to do, but it's become The most efficient way for me to write and and the best way for me to write songs that sound good with my voice. So so for example in the big time error, you were writing lyrics down first and then finding a Melody for those words. Well, it wasn't necessarily always that way like there were a few songs that were like that but I would write I would write a lyric and Melody like hand-in-hand like Like I'd write the right the acoustic track or if I start with an acoustic guitar and then I would just go through part by part and just try to come out with something. Whereas now like I'll just go and do the whole track and I'll be like, I like that part. I don't like that part. Let's cut it. Let's let's get rid of this. Let's try something else here. So it's definitely been it makes it a lot more fun and more. Makes it feel less like work. Yeah. Now that's interesting. I've never really spoken to someone who dabbles in to both sides of that. Usually it's like yeah, of course I get the words down first. And then I find The Melodies that work with the words or vice versa. So it's actually really interesting to see someone who uses that approach considering, you know, like people seem to react well to your songs and really enjoy them ready. Well thanks to you. Yeah, some of the songs on the EP like a lot a lot of this. Actually, I don't know if every song was this way, but unhappy definitely was unhappy started as just like I'll record a lot of times when I write a song. I'll just be jamming on my acoustic guitar like not even make it not even make a track just jam on my acoustic guitar and put my voice moment was on and unhappy was like this slow like R&B kind of like bumping guy and Vibe and there weren't any real lyrics in it. Other than tell me. Why are you so unhappy? Do you even know and so that just kind of stuck? Name built song around that and then one day I was at the beach and I just started playing it like double time as I damn. Do this is funky like we got to cut this so I called up Mike O'Malley the guy who produced. Oh, no, he's a great 100% great musician and producer and he just he was like, all right, let's get let's get it. This is pretty sick, and we just kind of just with all these songs a lot of them. I unhappy with probably Happy and Lady were like the two that got written during the time of recording, but a lot of like beasts and why and what's the other track on their Lucia Rose Lucia Rose. We see a rose have been written for like over a year. Mike be step in written for like over a year. And so we kind of just in that process. We were kind of just recording songs. We weren't even necessarily recording an EP Mike. I just thought I was living in Pittsburgh. I was doing community service and I was doing some community service and I just went to Mike's place and was like, let's just record some songs. Like I need to get I need to express myself because it's been like six months since I had recorded anything and it just created this long year long process of three hours sessions couple times a week and we just we just did it. Like I had to kind of pull the trigger. We had like four other tracks. So we think about doing like an eight. Song release and then I just kind of like, all right, you know what like we gotta give these people something and I had to kind of cut mic off and be like, all right, we can't work on anything else. We need to put focus on these songs and get these ones out. No. Yeah, dude that that makes sense. Now you referenced earlier about the hip-hop game and how you know, there is such a steady outflow of Music being that you just that you realize that you know, your EP is pretty short. Do you plan to follow it up soon. Are you do you plan the tour heavily? Off that like how do you plan a counteract that culture that you obviously are very in tune with well. I think the big thing is doing I mean, obviously we have plans to release another single early next year and we're going to just do a couple of singles potentially like an acoustic release stuff like that, but I won't release like an actual body of work probably to middle of next year or something like that. Um, because we're going to really try to just since this is the first thing we're going to really try to promote these songs as much as possible get as many ears and eyes with these songs, but I think I'm a massive thing that that is crucial to why hip-hop has such a constant outflow of content is collaboration with the big time and with like, oh no and stuff. Like it's all stuff that I wrote, you know, like a lot of the production elements and stuff Mike O'Malley he came in and he programmed a lot of the like this stuff looks like production elements, but I think the key really is collaboration because he's Pop artists will be like, hey, they've got like ten producers that will send them like a hundred beats and a hundred different instrumental tracks They don't even have to worry about sitting down writing the song me just go in and their vocalist. So yeah, I've got I've been working with a buddy of mine in calc over. He's really really great producer and songwriter. So we're trying to do some kind of collaborative release or something like that. And I think that really it's just like building the network of producers and just working with everyone a lot of people only work with one person because with bands and rock music in general like it's all about like you have to find your sound and you have to make your sound and that's it. Like once you have your sound and you gotta stay within those lines, but being a singer and a solo artist like I can do whatever I want like I could work with Lenny producer. I want any type of production I want and I think that that is going to be the thing that really He sets me apart is my I'm not afraid to work with a bunch of different people. Even if it is a little bit different. Right. No, I mean I definitely think that your approach is what I hope will because that's something I'm trying to do as well with our own stuff is I hope will set us apart, you know in this this modern world of rock where everything is so, you know, people want the single they don't really sit most of my friends don't sit down and listen to an album front to back anymore there. So it's such a short short fuse everyone has and we are assuming our attention spans have shortened a lot with the internet and social media and all that stuff. So I think Approaches is really smart. And I think that as long as you're consistent and I think you know, you have sort of a schedule around your releases with all the touring you're doing I think that you know doors will open up I sure hope so next. We're really just we're going to hit it. It's the end. This is the end of the year. So the music industry kind of shuts down a little bit at the end of the year, but we're definitely going to hit it extra extra hard. 2019 is going to be the year that we just hopefully blow everyone away. Did I would love to see that before we wrap up here? There's just one last thing I wanted to ask you about because I find it very interesting. It's very it's a nice cover artwork and it's just it's very vague. You know, there's no title. Yeah. Well, no, you titled the EP but it's just it's so just its own thing. I want to know like a little bit of the process behind that. Yeah. I love that. It's that it's Terry who's normally a photographer being the subject of the photo which for everyone who knows Terry. It's definitely amazing. But even for people who don't know Terry, it's just such a great. I didn't know that yeah, that's more Terry Terry swick was the first photographer that the big time ever had and we took her on her first tour. She was on our first tour which was the puffer store back in the day and I give Perry credit for I mean, I may be one of the ones I give Terry credit for creating the swamp like creating like the she took all the photos. And everything she was the one who portrayed all of us to the rest of the world and I always felt like I owed her everything because of that. He was a very close personal friend of mine still is and you know, I always felt like she never really got the recognition that she deserved and I just always felt that way and then her friend she posted this that photo on Instagram and I was at a point for those people who don't know me like I can be super indecisive. To the point where I get my own way and I was thinking about album artwork and I was trying all these different things and I saw that photo and I was just like I fucking want that like I want that to be my out more work and everyone's like water. What are you talking about? Like that's just a picture like why do you want that? I'm like because it accurately describes where I'm at in my life right now. I'm barely keeping my head above water like what I'm just you know, I'm chilling and I'm I'm just getting through it just like Buddy else. I thought that like the colorful like the rainbow or whatever that is like in the top left corner kind of represented my dream and how is just kind of looming over me. But really it was it was just something that I just I saw it and I was like, I need that and the reason there's no title on it. There's nothing is because I was looking at a lot of hip hop cover art and like a lot of these a lot of new artists and a lot of people don't even put Like a title on their thing anymore because they know it's just going to be released digitally. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna kind of just say no title and just put it there because it's gonna be here in a little exact in the bottom. Anyways, you know, when we do physical copies and stuff, you know, we'll put like the walk and you logo and stuff the bottom or maybe what? Oh, no on the back or something like that, but I really it was really just something that was kind of natural. I just I saw it and it inspired me. And I felt that it captured with the EP is about called it's called. Oh no because it's really because a bunch of songs that are about being unable to do like seeing a problem the distance and not really being able to do anything about it and not being able to like keep yourself going. So I was just like, okay cool like this photo seems like it seems like it really embodies everything. I think they were there a couple other artwork. If pieces that it just when it doesn't feel right you just know I mean when you do know, you know, yeah and it just it just stuck. So I thought it was a good omage to Terry for all those times that all my boys posted her photos without photo cred and tomorrow night. I thought it would be a good call back to the big time to you know, like just show to show all those fans and all the people that are still listening that I haven't forgotten where I come from. Yeah. That's beautiful, man. I want I think it's forget. I think it's really cool. Because like you said like Terry like, you know, you brought her out on her first tour in your first tour, but she was around for a lot of Tours after that. You know, it's 7 Minutes in Heaven even Hollywood ending and stuff. So I think even if she doesn't know it or maybe no one really knows it like she was kind of the window for all of the fans to see that scene and she's so not good at doing that with her photography like obviously she gets great live shots and stuff, but she's also just always there and because she's not just the For that's trying to not be seen like she's always part of the hangs. So it just feels so natural. So everyone definitely feels included when you see her stuff but even more so just with the EP like this. Oh nothing. I think that that's something that a lot of people can grasp right now because you know in this day and age there's a lot of problems in the world and a lot of people want to do something about it and maybe they feel like they can't and they try to and maybe like not feels like nothing gets done but it's kind of like, you know, even if it's out of your control like you want to do something about it and you'll find a way to do something. And I think that a lot of people can relate to what you're putting out, which I think is gonna you know help people relate to it and keep coming back for more but 100% Yeah, I think that like, oh no for me was that it was that exactly that it was like I just need to do I was like I need to put something out. I just need to do something like it's not necessarily for other people like just for me because for a long time I felt extremely like incredibly invalid as far as being an artist went because people will be like, oh you're a musician can I Listen to your music and I'd be like, yeah, I've got two songs on Spotify but like aren't really me. Like doesn't really sound like me and I was just like I gotta have something to do anything to just represent my talent and who I am so then I can have peace of mind when telling people who I am like I so I have something to actually back it up. And so that was like kind of my flight away from being like wow, there's so many problems in my life. There's all this stuff you and real life happens and it happens fast and I I feel like that EP is like is I mean, it's helped me get through the past few months which have been pretty I've been pretty brutal but it's you know, like what you what you just said man, like people I think people can grasp definitely can get where I'm coming from and I hope that people connect with it in a way that helps them through as well. Totally. Yeah dude again. I think that just Segways back to what we spoke about in the beginning of this episode is you really wear your heart on your sleeve, you know, like that is As such in the the omage in the photo to the content of the songs that you shared with us. Everything about you is just you're such an open person and I think that that will permeate through very genuine. Yeah, very genuine. So thank you man. I'm trying I'm trying to be a bit more genuine trying to trying to just put it all. I'm not the type of dude that like love social media like I kind of hate it but I realized it has it kind of is the way that the world works now so unnecessary evil. Yeah, trying to get over myself and just kind of put everything out there because I feel like that's that's that's the only that's the only way to really show people who who I am on a regular basis and let people in because you know, the music is one thing but what really matters is if people are going to be able to connect with me and if people are going to be able to believe in me as a person because that's the music the music back the music is the most important thing I think. Think to me, but other people it's hard to it's hard to get people to latch onto just some songs like you it's kind of you got to be everything totally which its can be hard but it's definitely the way that it works Derek. I got to say that this conversation has made me proud to be your friend man. Like seriously. I wish you nothing but the best going forward. I think you have an incredible album on your hands and I'm sure the music is to come is is going to be absolutely incredible. Well as well, so with that being said we got to we got to start wrapping this one up Derek where can people find you. What can they expect from you going forward and into the new year? Well, you can find all my stuff over at walking.com, but I'm on Twitter Instagram Facebook YouTube all that stuff. If you go to any of my videos, you can find the link to my album. I just released a music video for Lucia Rose, which is up on YouTube. It's over on Facebook over at the Now That's What I Call Music page. Page and I'll be on tour from December 13th through the 17th and Northeast. So if you're listening to this go walking.com store grab some tickets and come out and party with us because it's gonna be awesome. Oh, yeah on the ground and in the skies Derek, thank you so much for hanging out with us, man. We appreciate it anytime. I love you guys. Thank you so much for the we love you, man. Love you too, bro. Have a good one, homie. Thank you. All right, you two brothers. Peace out. It was a little bit of you. In Greek, I know he had a history. I was waiting up by the phone waiting for your call waiting for your call. I was waiting for your call. You said I want it. All you said you needed my body. So come and meet you in the hotel lobby. I said are you your

Welcome to the first ever episode of "Talkin' with Andrew and Chris". We are very happy to introduce you to today's guest Derek Mrdjenovich, of the band "Walkney"! After appearing briefly on American Idol and landing a spot on NOW 66 with his single “Lucia Rose”. Pennsylvania singer/songwriter Walkney is releasing his long awaited breakout debut. Produced by Michael O’Malley (Pittsburgh, PA), the EP features Walkney’s most soulful songs to date. With dancy anthems like "Unhappy", Walkney implements classic elements like brass and strings taking a sure footed but small step into the world of pop. No stranger to heartbreak, Walkney lyrics are like an open journal to love lost. The third track on the EP, "Lady", represents the push and pull of being in a less than healthy relationship. This song really embodies the theme of the record, which is being completely powerless in addressing an oncoming problem. "Wah" gives us a look at the gritty and darker side of Walkney. Since 2016, Walkney has spent ample time on stage. After landing a Spirit Airlines sponsorship (Music4Miles), Walkney toured in the US/Canada, and has plans to expand his international horizons. "After three years of writing and recording for what would be my first solo release, there’s nothing better than being able to give people a small representation of what I’m capable of. These songs are only the tip of the iceberg, the first step... the beginning.” - Derek of Walkney. Keep up to date with Walkney: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WalkneyOfficial/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/walkneyofficial/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/derekwalkney?lang=en Listen to Walkney: Spotify: shorturl.at/awGS4 Apple Music: shorturl.at/luwA6 YouTube: shorturl.at/bckKZ Soundcloud: shorturl.at/lzT26 Keep up to date with Andrew and Chris: Instagram: Andrew: https://www.instagram.com/not_awgyomai/ Chris: https://www.instagram.com/christianevanko/ Twitter: Andrew: https://twitter.com/awgyomai Chris: https://twitter.com/ChristianEvanko Follow Andrew and Chris's band "The Stash": Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheStashNY/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheStashNY Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thestashny/ Listen to Andrew and Chris's band "The Stash": Spotify:  shorturl.at/izGU5 Apple Music: shorturl.at/chEFL iTunes: shorturl.at/cdqO2 YouTube: shorturl.at/szEGJ Google Play: shorturl.at/oAGL2 Amazon Music: shorturl.at/jFLO1 SoundCloud: shorturl.at/gnrH4 Subscribe to "Talkin' with Andrew and Chris" Podcast: Apple | Spotify | Google Play | YouTube | SoundCloud As always, "Stay Sweet!"